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| 00:00.23 | jgalt | will the multi-arch (amd64-i386) install cd's aleviate the need for having seperate install cd's for each? will these cd's install both architectures or just the appropriate one for the hardware? (don't need the bloat on 32bit systems) |
| 00:00.36 | themill | sm00th: It might be best if you focus on solving your own particular support problem right now. |
| 00:00.43 | rbern | debian-installer/live-installer grub-efi installation went well apparently. waiting for the end of the install to reboot in uefi mode from a rebuilt debian live image with "debroot". |
| 00:00.51 | sm00th | themill, lmao |
| 00:00.55 | sm00th | ban me and get it over with... |
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| 00:38.31 | rbern | Success confirmed. "debroot" does rebuild a debian 7/8/testinh live iso without uefi and makes it uefi compatible. cheers! |
| 00:38.38 | rbern | *testing |
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| 01:16.03 | tortib | I want to know how I can upgrade just gnome-terminal to the testing branch |
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| 01:34.19 | hiexpo | !upgrade |
| 01:34.19 | dpkg | [upgrade] what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <squeeze->wheezy> <wheezy->jessie>. |
| 01:34.36 | hiexpo | !testing |
| 01:34.36 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 01:38.26 | m5w_ | Hello. I booted my system without mounting any drives by passing init=/bin/bash as a boot parameter so I could use zerofree. (I'm running debian as a guest on VirtualBox.) How should I shut the system down? shutdown fails with `Failed to talk to init daemon.' |
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| 01:40.43 | Avasz | I am using stretch, is this the channel to ask for help or is there someother channel for debian testing? |
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| 01:46.21 | Avasz | My problem is that, krunner and app launcher both stopped searching for anything at all after I updated a few days back. |
| 01:46.59 | hiexpo | !testing |
| 01:47.00 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 01:47.46 | hiexpo | #debian off topic |
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| 02:47.26 | vook | is there any hope to unmount a stale nfs mount without reboot when 'umount -lf' and lsof fail? |
| 02:47.55 | vook | lsof and fuser -m on the mount just hang |
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| 02:55.50 | awal1 | top, htop, nmon and similar apps shows several process's of chromium depending on how many tabs are open; I guess it's because of "sandboxing"? |
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| 02:56.42 | awal1 | but they only show one process of firefox even if several tabs are open. |
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| 02:58.37 | awal1 | wondering if firefox sandboxing is just a myth or I dont know what happens exactly |
| 03:00.27 | awal1 | only htop shows several process of firefox too |
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| 03:05.46 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 03:06.06 | jak2000 | i edited visudo and added this line: Defaults:jak timestamp_timeout=40 but not respect the time, why? |
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| 03:39.20 | n_blownapart | hi how and where would I write a terminal command or shortcut for something like '$ git pull https://github.com/my_account/a_repo.git' ? |
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| 04:07.28 | chaddy | in ~/bin/gitpull.sh |
| 04:07.38 | chaddy | using an editor |
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| 04:07.56 | jak2000 | i edited visudo and added this line: Defaults:jak timestamp_timeout=40 but not respect the time, why? |
| 04:08.35 | chaddy | jak2000: perhaps log out and back in again |
| 04:11.34 | jak2000 | chaddy ok |
| 04:12.10 | jak2000 | other thing i am conectting from putty, to my serverr remotely. my question is why when again access the server not exist the last commands? |
| 04:12.42 | chaddy | do you mean "why is bash history missing?" |
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| 04:14.07 | jak2000 | yes |
| 04:14.25 | jak2000 | how to: before close the session, execute a command for save the history? |
| 04:15.31 | chaddy | exit |
| 04:15.36 | chaddy | or ctrl-d |
| 04:15.57 | chaddy | presumably you have been closing putty from windows, this is not the preferred way |
| 04:16.46 | jak2000 | ok |
| 04:17.22 | jak2000 | i tested 2 things: 1) type exit and 2, i am disconnected from the server unexpectly,, and not save the last commands history :( |
| 04:17.57 | chaddy | you typed exit and return? |
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| 04:18.05 | goatse-security | hello |
| 04:18.07 | chaddy | you did not expect to exit? |
| 04:18.12 | goatse-security | do you like goatse? |
| 04:18.25 | chaddy | everyone likes goatse.cx |
| 04:18.32 | goatse-security | LOL |
| 04:18.45 | goatse-security | lets go hack your mom's webcam |
| 04:19.06 | goatse-security | see if she likes fucking goatse |
| 04:19.23 | jak2000 | chaddy exit and hit return key |
| 04:20.25 | chaddy | and what did you expect to happen, jak2000? |
| 04:20.41 | goatse-security | * * * * * Vote for weev! MAKE THE G.N.A.A. GREAT AGAIN!!! * * * * |
| 04:21.09 | goatse-security | oops, asymmetrical number of stars. lets try that again |
| 04:21.11 | goatse-security | * * * * * Vote for weev! MAKE THE G.N.A.A. GREAT AGAIN!!! * * * * * |
| 04:21.15 | goatse-security | much better! |
| 04:21.25 | chaddy | jak2000: this may be worth reading: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/088 |
| 04:21.26 | jak2000 | save in history the last commands... |
| 04:21.50 | chaddy | how do you expect to access your history, jak2000? |
| 04:21.59 | jak2000 | with command history |
| 04:22.04 | goatse-security | * * * * * Vote for weev! MAKE THE G.N.A.A. GREAT AGAIN!!! * * * * * |
| 04:22.05 | jak2000 | and/or with up and down keys |
| 04:22.06 | Rusty1_ | !ops goatse-security is being a bit of a pain |
| 04:22.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: rusty1_ complains about: goatse-security is being a bit of a pain |
| 04:22.11 | goatse-security | sorry |
| 04:22.18 | goatse-security | but why are you harassing me? |
| 04:22.26 | chaddy | jak2000: there may be a permissions issue or such on your histfile |
| 04:23.05 | jak2000 | mmm not sure |
| 04:23.37 | chaddy | jak2000: read through that link for now |
| 04:23.45 | chaddy | wanders off |
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| 04:23.46 | jak2000 | ok |
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| 04:23.49 | jak2000 | thanks |
| 04:23.54 | chaddy | no worries |
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| 04:25.25 | lszyba1 | hello, anybody might have an idea why debian stable after upgrade from 4.3 to 4.5 (and 4.6) kernal-image gives me no lvm root partition found. it works just find in 4.3 but I cannot boot into kernel 4.6 |
| 04:25.38 | goatse-security | !ops goatsex |
| 04:25.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: goatse-security complains about: goatsex |
| 04:25.40 | lszyba1 | installed 4.6 form backports |
| 04:25.43 | goatse-security | !ops * * * * * Vote for weev! MAKE THE G.N.A.A. GREAT AGAIN!!! * * * * * |
| 04:25.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: goatse-security complains about: * * * * * Vote for weev! MAKE THE G.N.A.A. GREAT AGAIN!!! * * * * * |
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| 04:29.28 | lszyba1 | anybody might have a clue where to start. I update-initrmfs reinstalled grub...upgraded lvm2...Iis there some issues with kernel 4.5 and 4.6 that need additional wait or? |
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| 04:33.36 | lszyba1 | I am running nvme device if that helps |
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| 04:38.29 | lszyba1 | from what O |
| 04:39.07 | lszyba1 | from waht I'm reading it looks like update-initramfs -c -k 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 04:39.07 | lszyba1 | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 is missing lvm2 support ...is there a command that will list if it does or does not? |
| 04:40.27 | sbstn | lszyba1: if you run update-initramfs in verbose mode it shoud list what gets included |
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| 04:45.16 | lszyba1 | sbstn: Calling hook lvm2 Adding binary /sbin/lvm |
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| 04:48.48 | lszyba1 | let me try rebooting to see if redoing the initramfs is working |
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| 04:49.26 | sbstn | lszyba1: if you get to the initramfs shell you could try to investigate why lvm fails to mount root from there |
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| 04:51.52 | lszyba1 | when I did that lvm said it can't find any partitions...is there a command that looks for it? I did the command -ay that enables it but it didn't find it....I guess...waht is the command for loading lvm2 or checking why it can't find root |
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| 04:53.07 | lszyba1 | sbstn: let me reboot...i;ll get disconnected...be right back.. |
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| 05:02.42 | lszyba1 | nogo |
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| 05:06.22 | sbstn | do you mean /sbin/lvm wasn't found? |
| 05:07.16 | lszyba1 | i can issue lvm command. I do pvsacn "no lvm devices found" |
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| 05:13.07 | sbstn | and the block device is present (/dev/sdXY)? |
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| 05:16.16 | deadbit | i'm having a problem changing my password |
| 05:16.22 | deadbit | do i need to sudo passwd |
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| 05:21.44 | lszyba1 | I have no idea waht the problem might be...why would one kernel boot but not the other...? |
| 05:22.55 | lszyba1 | sbstn: I'll check if /dev/nvme0 |
| 05:22.55 | lszyba1 | nvme0 nvme0n1 nvme0n1p1 nvme0n1p2 nvme0n1p5 |
| 05:23.01 | sbstn | lszyba1: there was another person with issues booting into backports kernel, however I don't know how it turned out in the end |
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| 05:24.36 | lszyba1 | sbstn:thanks...I'll have to resume this some other time...its getting late..thx..I'll try to search for that info... |
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| 06:52.21 | xxstardustxx | Hi there |
| 06:52.38 | jelly | hi |
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| 06:52.51 | xxstardustxx | My PC fails to boot CDs and goes straight into GRUB |
| 06:52.53 | xxstardustxx | :( |
| 06:53.30 | battery | how can i install apache4? |
| 06:54.05 | jelly | battery: no such thing, did you mean 2.4? |
| 06:54.24 | battery | then apache 3? |
| 06:54.40 | xxstardustxx | To repair my PC I need to boot an OS which is impossible now |
| 06:54.50 | xxstardustxx | coz it refuses to boot CDs |
| 06:55.03 | jelly | battery: do a web search for apache httpd, learn about which latest version there is |
| 06:55.21 | battery | jelly: yes |
| 06:55.29 | battery | how can i install it? |
| 06:55.33 | battery | apache |
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| 06:55.54 | sbstn | xxstardustxx: broken cd drive? broken disk? boot order? |
| 06:56.06 | unborn | battery: sudo apt-get install apache |
| 06:56.16 | battery | sudo apt-get install apache2? |
| 06:56.21 | xxstardustxx | boot order is fine, tested multiple discs, cd drive works fine on a diff PC |
| 06:56.22 | jelly | battery: which debian release are you using? It's typically as easy as "apt-get install apache" |
| 06:56.33 | battery | jelly: yes debian |
| 06:56.37 | battery | thanks |
| 06:56.38 | battery | :) |
| 06:56.49 | jelly | battery: which debian version do you have installed? |
| 06:56.56 | unborn | battery: yeah sudo apt-get install apache2 |
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| 06:57.11 | battery | unborn: thanks |
| 06:57.24 | xxstardustxx | sbstn: anything else I should check? |
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| 06:57.41 | battery | jelly: RASPBIAN |
| 06:58.02 | sbstn | xxstardustxx: cabling, could try different sata port |
| 06:58.02 | jelly | best ask in #raspbian channel, then, battery |
| 06:58.10 | battery | oh |
| 06:58.13 | battery | good idea |
| 06:58.14 | battery | thanks |
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| 06:59.38 | xxstardustxx | sbstn: This has been happening since the last puppy linux install which I stopped halfway thru then messed up my PC :( |
| 06:59.56 | xxstardustxx | shouldn't have done that |
| 07:00.07 | xxstardustxx | but that doesn't affect CD boot I guess |
| 07:00.36 | sbstn | it doesn't |
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| 07:01.48 | xxstardustxx | Ok, I will look up sata ports then I don't what sata ports are |
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| 07:03.42 | sbstn | xxstardustxx: is the machine in question a desktop? |
| 07:03.54 | xxstardustxx | yeah |
| 07:04.39 | xxstardustxx | hmm Ok now I've an idea of what sata ports are, I can try any sata port thats empty, right? |
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| 07:04.48 | sbstn | xxstardustxx: try plugging the disk drive to another port on motherboard, and check the cable is properly connected at both ends |
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| 07:05.19 | xxstardustxx | sbstn: Okay thanks |
| 07:05.25 | sbstn | xxstardustxx: probably, you should refer to your motherboard manual for exact details |
| 07:07.20 | RebelCoder | Guys, I can see Daemon for one app auto-starting (in System Monitor) but when I use two apps like 'rcconf' or 'sysv-rc-conf', and this daemon does not show up there... |
| 07:07.25 | RebelCoder | How else can it be removed ? |
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| 07:10.28 | jmcnaught | RebelCoder: if you're using Jessie with the default systemd, use systemctl |
| 07:10.48 | RebelCoder | Yes, I am on Jessie. |
| 07:10.58 | RebelCoder | Not sure how .. |
| 07:11.06 | jmcnaught | RebelCoder: what is the program? |
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| 07:11.18 | RebelCoder | This is the daemon - teamviewerd |
| 07:11.28 | RebelCoder | I don't want TeamViewer running in BG... |
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| 07:12.09 | jmcnaught | RebelCoder: i'm not familiar with teamviewer but it's probably not a system daemon, it's probably being started as part of your login session by your desktop environment |
| 07:12.23 | jmcnaught | RebelCoder: which user is it running as? |
| 07:13.29 | RebelCoder | Not sure.... prob my User |
| 07:14.13 | RebelCoder | It is under system Processes |
| 07:14.35 | RebelCoder | not under User Processes |
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| 07:15.20 | RebelCoder | ahh.... ok. got it. |
| 07:15.22 | RebelCoder | sudo teamviewer --daemon disable |
| 07:16.14 | RebelCoder | But I still wonder, why it showed up in System Monitor under System Processes but using update-rc.d teamviewerd disable |
| 07:16.16 | RebelCoder | did not work... |
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| 07:16.38 | RebelCoder | and it did not show up in two utilities, that show all auto-load processes |
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| 07:18.12 | jmcnaught | RebelCoder: try using systemctl instead. "systemctl list-units", or "systemctl stop servicename" (or start, restart, enable, disable etc) |
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| 07:19.54 | RebelCoder | jmcnaught, Cool! Thanks for your help ! |
| 07:20.05 | jmcnaught | RebelCoder: a new tool i find really useful when i want to figure out "what owns this process?" is systemd-cgls |
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| 07:21.23 | RebelCoder | Yeah! Looks good. Just tried. |
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| 07:21.37 | RebelCoder | In my case I knew what it is. Just was not sure why it is not showing up in some places... |
| 07:21.41 | RebelCoder | now it id removed. |
| 07:21.48 | RebelCoder | *it is |
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| 07:22.46 | sumi | hello |
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| 07:24.14 | jmcnaught | hi |
| 07:24.18 | battery | how can i install php? |
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| 07:24.45 | jmcnaught | battery: are you still using raspbian? |
| 07:24.51 | battery | no |
| 07:25.01 | battery | i m using debian now |
| 07:25.08 | battery | i will not use raspbian |
| 07:25.12 | battery | because it is too bad |
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| 07:25.23 | battery | debian is best |
| 07:25.26 | battery | i think so |
| 07:25.32 | jmcnaught | battery: php like everything else in debian is a package. you can search for packages with "apt-cache search" or "aptitude search" |
| 07:25.54 | jmcnaught | battery: it's not about which is good or bad, just that they're different enough that they need their own chatrooms |
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| 07:26.08 | battery | oh good |
| 07:26.10 | battery | ok |
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| 07:28.08 | jmcnaught | battery: if you're using php with apache you probably want to use mod-php to start. there are lots of web applications in Debian too, like drupal, wordpress, phpmyadmin etc |
| 07:28.29 | battery | mod-php? |
| 07:28.31 | battery | what is it? |
| 07:28.41 | battery | i will make it by myself. |
| 07:28.51 | battery | instead of aumation tool |
| 07:28.54 | jmcnaught | battery: it's an apache module that adds PHP support |
| 07:28.57 | battery | automation |
| 07:29.04 | jmcnaught | what do you mean? |
| 07:29.04 | battery | oh |
| 07:29.26 | battery | i will make web by myself instead of automation tool |
| 07:29.31 | battery | :) |
| 07:29.38 | jmcnaught | instead of which automation tool? |
| 07:29.44 | battery | wordpress |
| 07:29.52 | battery | i think that wordpress is automation tool |
| 07:30.01 | jmcnaught | oh, you want to write your own PHP software? |
| 07:30.07 | battery | yes |
| 07:30.09 | battery | of course |
| 07:30.19 | jmcnaught | wordpress is a blog engire or content management system (CMS) |
| 07:30.28 | battery | good |
| 07:30.57 | jmcnaught | battery: apache2 and libapache2-mod-php5 will get you started then |
| 07:31.09 | battery | ok |
| 07:31.10 | battery | thanks |
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| 07:31.31 | battery | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.58 | jmcnaught | battery: each of those packages will have a directory in /usr/share/doc with a README.Debian file. Read it with the "less" program. If the file is compress (filename ends in .gz) then use "zless" |
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| 07:32.20 | battery | ok |
| 07:32.36 | jmcnaught | battery: read about a package with "apt-cache show package", see version info with "apt-cache policy package" |
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| 07:33.39 | battery | ok thanks :) |
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| 07:45.38 | holycow | hi all |
| 07:46.14 | holycow | if i use cpan to install perl modules, where does cpan store them? alternatively, is there something that can show me file changes in the file system while i run cpan install command? |
| 07:46.23 | holycow | i'm not googling anything terribly useful |
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| 07:49.27 | hiya | I did it guys |
| 07:49.35 | hiya | Mesa 11+ user now |
| 07:49.56 | hiya | He helped me for free and it works awesome now, I hope it stays like this only |
| 07:51.17 | sbstn | holycow: https://wiki.debian.org/PerlFAQ did you check /usr/local? |
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| 07:54.38 | holycow | sbstn: did not manage to google the wiki faq ... thank you. could not find anything in /usr/local. let me read up on the wiki. |
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| 08:21.18 | g38 | hello. I'm starting with debian. When I remove a package (with apt purge or apt-get purge, say), next time I run aptitude it wants to install it again. Why is that and how can I avoid it? |
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| 08:22.42 | debidi | g38: cancel pending actions (e) |
| 08:22.44 | debidi | ? |
| 08:23.06 | MerlinW | there should be dependencies |
| 08:23.16 | g38 | debidi, yes, I can do that once. But if I then remove further packages with apt purge or apt-get purge, next time I run aptitude it wants to reinstall them. |
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| 08:24.25 | MerlinW | try apt-cache showpkg <package-name> |
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| 08:24.48 | g38 | MerlinW, apt and apt-get don't complain about dependencies; and if I type "r" in aptitude to show the dependencies it doesn't show any good reason why it would want to reinstall the given package |
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| 08:25.54 | debidi | see if any broken pkgs (b) |
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| 08:26.51 | g38 | I don't have any broken package according to aptitude, and apt-cache showpkg doesn't show any unsatisfied dependency under "Reverse depends" (that is, none of these packages is currently installed) |
| 08:28.32 | MerlinW | what is the name of the package that you want to remove? |
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| 08:29.08 | g38 | MerlinW, for example, the package keyboard-configuration. note I have already removed it -- but aptitude wants it back |
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| 08:31.48 | MerlinW | I don't think you should remove that package. Do you want to change your layout? |
| 08:32.43 | g38 | I don't have a keyboard |
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| 08:33.23 | g38 | but there is nothing specific with this package, for example the same happens with fonts-dejavu |
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| 08:40.32 | romgo_ | Hi |
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| 08:41.42 | romgo_ | When I reboot some server doesn't start, and are stuck with this message "A start job is running for Unattended Upgrades (5min 34s / not limit)" |
| 08:41.50 | romgo_ | Any idea on how to debug ? |
| 08:41.51 | MerlinW | g38? did you tried with apt-get purge --auto-remove fonts-dejavu? |
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| 08:42.22 | g38 | MerlinW, I didn't do this but I ran apt-get autoremove after apt-get purge, I guess it's the same? |
| 08:44.02 | MerlinW | yeah |
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| 08:45.13 | MerlinW | romgo: if you don't need auto upgrade, you can disable/remove the unattended-upgrades package, also you can check the dpkg logs |
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| 08:46.25 | romgo_ | MerlinW: I use auto upgrade I'm fine with it |
| 08:46.32 | romgo_ | just encounter this issue |
| 08:46.33 | g38 | so now I just ran this test again: I cancelled all pending actions in aptitude, then ran apt-get install fonts-dejavu-core, then aptitude didn't want to do anything, then I ran apt-get purge --auto-remove fonts-dejavu-core, then again aptitude wanted to install it back, I am mystified. no other package was touched by apt-get... |
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| 08:48.19 | MerlinW | I'm going to pass then :/ maybe they are protected packages |
| 08:48.27 | MerlinW | I never tried remove those |
| 08:49.03 | g38 | ok, thank you for your help anyway! I guess I can live without aptitude anyway, apt-get does the job and it doesn't complain |
| 08:49.24 | MerlinW | romgo_ unattended-upgrade --debug --dry-run than check /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log |
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| 09:01.15 | DavidM__ | how to install the 64-bit versions of gl.h to develop opengl with freeglut |
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| 09:01.18 | DavidM__ | ??? |
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| 09:01.59 | DavidM__ | g++ LUtil.cpp main.cpp -w -lGL -lGLU -lglut -o 01_hello_freeglut /usr/bin/ld: ne peut trouver -lGL collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status Makefile:23: recipe for target 'all' failed make: *** [all] Error 1 |
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| 09:03.36 | romgo_ | MerlinW: I try but everything is fine all packages are up to date |
| 09:03.48 | romgo_ | seems that I got this issue after kernel upgrade |
| 09:03.59 | romgo_ | but I don't know what does the package try to do |
| 09:04.06 | romgo_ | the init script is empty for start |
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| 09:16.47 | julius_ | hi |
| 09:17.03 | julius_ | this page: https://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan ignores jessie....what steps are required on jessie? |
| 09:18.56 | julius_ | for testing purposes to wake the machine up one time, could i: run ethtool -s eth0 wol g and then shut it down(do i just select power off) on a laptop? and on another pc run etherwake xx.xx.xx xx....being the right mac adress? |
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| 09:19.59 | julius_ | ah yes, of course. that doesnt work....the laptop just powers down completely.... |
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| 09:21.51 | MerlinW | etherwake? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-send-wake-on-lan-wol-magic-packets.html |
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| 09:22.26 | DavidM__ | g++ LUtil.cpp main.cpp -w -lGL -lGLU -lglut -o 01_hello_freeglut /usr/bin/ld: ne peut trouver -lGL collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status Makefile:23: recipe for target 'all' failed make: *** [all] Error 1 |
| 09:22.36 | DavidM__ | what can i do ? |
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| 09:29.02 | julius_ | MerlinW, ok read that...still unsure if my testing procedure should have worked? |
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| 09:32.51 | _abc_ | How many files are in your /boot/grub directory please? I have 207 |
| 09:33.18 | _abc_ | Need to manually config a one time boot kernel on a headless machine. How do I do that. Who decided to move most of grub into that directory? |
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| 09:37.44 | mirazi_heket | hello i grow disk size in vsphere server for given machine, now i want to grow lvm up to grown size - do i need to create new partition for that or there is other way? |
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| 09:43.15 | _abc_ | Downgrading grub2 useless crap to lilo |
| 09:43.34 | sbstn | mirazi_heket: if you can extend the existing partition you can use pvresize, |
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| 09:45.49 | _abc_ | May I know, what deranged soul removed the ability to boot a kernel for testing once, with fail safe panic timeout, as done with lilo -R, in grub2? |
| 09:46.00 | _abc_ | Surely I am not the 1st person to need this?! |
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| 09:48.40 | petemc | _abc_: the fallback option doesnt do what you need? |
| 09:49.02 | _abc_ | What fallback option? I do not have access to the menu, it's a headless machine. |
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| 09:50.22 | _abc_ | https://wiki.debian.org/GrubReboot this may be what I need. What a deranged cockup. This capability used to be standard since the inception of linux. |
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| 09:53.18 | _abc_ | in https://wiki.debian.org/GrubReboot GRUB_DEFAULT="saved" but in my setup it is ="0" |
| 09:53.35 | _abc_ | Why set it to "saved" ? I assume setting it to "0" sets that default image right? |
| 09:54.45 | _abc_ | This is to make default-saved work, not related to grub-reboot right? |
| 09:54.51 | _abc_ | Anyone? |
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| 10:07.32 | _abc_ | http://superuser.com/questions/95828/making-default-saved-work-with-grub2 seriously, does one have to read half the internet to find out how it works. And the source. Please put these things in the grub howto on the debian wiki or link them from there. |
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| 10:09.08 | vlt | Hello. We switched to Debian (8.5) with MATE on the desktop recently but users complain about Icedove crashing several times a day, mainly when writing mails. When run from a terminal the last message is âSpeicherzugriffsfehlerâ (which Iâd translate to âmemory access errorâ). Is there another way to solve this than âjust use evolutionâ? |
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| 10:22.50 | ChrisH | vlt: run ulimit -c unlimted and start once more from terminal. The next crash will write a core dump. Then you can use gdb to check the core and get an idea what happened. |
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| 10:23.38 | vlt | ChrisH: Thanks, Iâll do this. |
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| 10:29.51 | Flashtek | Is anyone aware of a flag I can pass to dhclient that would result in it running in 'test' mode ? I want to check if DHCP should would if I request one... which dhcping does only if the DHCP server is on the same network and you're not using a DHCP relay.. *phew* |
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| 10:31.17 | Flashtek | I can't see anything in the man page... |
| 10:32.16 | petn-randall | _abc_: What problem do you have that you're trying to fix? This isn't clear from your descriptions and rants. |
| 10:32.19 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 10:32.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 10:32.53 | ChrisH | Flashtek: No option, but an alternative suggestion https://www.monitoring-plugins.org/doc/man/check_dhcp.html |
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| 10:33.56 | Flashtek | thanks ChrisH... I'll give that a peek |
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| 10:34.46 | _abc_ | petn-randall: please read the initial question. I needed to reboot once into a test kernel. Took several google and duckduck searches and a stackoverflow answer to get some detail about grub-reboot and how it REQUIRES GRUB_DEFAULT=saved in /etc/default/grub , as well as reading my way through /boot/grub/grub.cfg to understand what the h* is going on. |
| 10:34.52 | petn-randall | _abc_: If you want to boot a different kernel, just count the menu entries in /etc/grub/grub.cfg, and change the setting GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub to that value. |
| 10:35.02 | _abc_ | petn-randall: Please put the relevant info in the grub howto in the debian wiki |
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| 10:35.24 | _abc_ | petn-randall: once. Only once. Headless. No access to the menu unless I lug a heavy monitor to the thing. |
| 10:36.10 | petn-randall | _abc_: Your first question was "How many files are in your /boot/grub directory please? I have 207". The answer is "Depends on many things, but your question is probably irrelevant to your problem." |
| 10:36.44 | _abc_ | How to reboot into a test kernel once is very basic thing, it should be in the wiki/howto at the top, at least where kernel compilation and installation is discussed (chap 4.x) |
| 10:37.18 | Flashtek | ChrisH: looks like this should do the job nicely, thanks |
| 10:37.24 | _abc_ | petn-randall: I was looking for the grub.cfg in grub1 style, which used to be there. I was shocked by what I found... Anyway there must be reasons for all that being there. |
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| 10:38.55 | petn-randall | _abc_: Look, if you want to rant, you came to the wrong channel. We're here to provide volunteer support to people for free. If you're angry about whatever you're doing, maybe you need to take a moment off to vent, and come back here to debug the issue. |
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| 10:39.31 | _abc_ | The issue was debugged. Without channel help. |
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| 10:39.46 | petn-randall | _abc_: First entry googling: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/43196/how-can-i-tell-grub-i-want-to-reboot-into-windows-before-i-reboot |
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| 10:52.51 | ChrisH | Flashtek: YW |
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| 11:02.17 | llldino | Hey guys, i'm a little confused as to what I just did. I've been using the kernal in jessie-backports. Today, when I did "apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64" I had over 200 packages that needed updating after the install. I installed them using apt-get dist-upgrade. I'm not sure if I bonked my system now. I only wanted to use the newest kernal and keep everything else from the stable jessie repo. Now I feel like I may ha |
| 11:02.17 | llldino | ve mixed things up more than I wanted to, anyone know what the implications of what I just did are? |
| 11:04.35 | unborn | hello everyone - is anyone here using adobe products online? I would need to know if it works for you.. as I am about to ditch virtualbox windows install.. |
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| 13:18.43 | DammitJim | OK... First, I need to say that I made a mistake in my planning |
| 13:18.58 | DammitJim | now, how do I go about creating an /opt partition |
| 13:19.08 | DammitJim | and then migrate everything that is in the current /opt folder to it? |
| 13:19.25 | DammitJim | I am using LVM |
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| 13:27.56 | spacebug^ | DammitJim: note sure but take a look at this http://www.tecmint.com/extend-and-reduce-lvms-in-linux/ . I would think you need to first change the size of the current volume, then create a new volume and mount it somewhere and move everything from /opt there. Then finally remount it to /opt |
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| 13:28.37 | spacebug^ | Most likely other people here can help you better when they are avalible |
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| 13:33.41 | Captain_Sifff | Hi all, has anybody an idea how I can access the current date in a phpldapadmin interface? I can use php.Function(time; ) but this will return the number of seconds, not days which I need.... |
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| 13:34.23 | lukas_ | My Desktop: http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/31148632/Bildschirmfoto_2016-07-08_15-15-25.png Whats your opinion? |
| 13:35.19 | markybob | you're probably lonely and want to feel supported |
| 13:35.33 | plasm0duck | lol |
| 13:35.42 | plasm0duck | looks like a childs computer |
| 13:35.55 | ws2k3 | what is the max munder of file descriptors i can set in debian? |
| 13:37.05 | plasm0duck | ws2k3: google it |
| 13:37.40 | lukas_ | i looks like a modern desktop ... :( |
| 13:37.44 | lukas_ | it* |
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| 13:39.37 | plasm0duck | this is what you call a desktop https://postimg.org/image/3sw8kdnc7/ |
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| 13:40.25 | plasm0duck | ;-) |
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| 13:40.57 | mayhew | plasm0duck: member of fsociety spotted! calling the authorities :D |
| 13:41.16 | plasm0duck | mayhew: heh |
| 13:41.37 | mayhew | I have no idea how you read some of those small fonts though |
| 13:42.27 | plasm0duck | easy, I'm running 2x22" Dell IPS LED backlit monitors at 1920x1080p each |
| 13:42.41 | plasm0duck | so nice and crisp |
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| 13:43.18 | asir | window level public |
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| 13:48.57 | TomTomTosch | yeah, using awesome and still wasting 50% screenspace is an art. |
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| 13:51.41 | DammitJim | thanks SpaceAce |
| 13:51.45 | DammitJim | spacebison, |
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| 13:51.47 | DammitJim | spacebug^, |
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| 13:52.23 | ewew | Hi. Is there a reason that ulimit overrides the limit set by pam module pam_limits.so ? |
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| 13:56.22 | ewew | oops. i missunderstood the output from ulimit -a. According /proc/PID/limits its ok. |
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| 14:18.50 | matthewburton | Iâm performing a DVD install of Debian off a USB key. Iâm at the âInstall the GRUB boot loader on a hard diskâ stage. Is it safe to install this onto the same USB key currently running the Debian installation? |
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| 14:19.07 | DammitJim | matthewburton, |
| 14:19.13 | DammitJim | no, you want grub on your fixed disk |
| 14:19.17 | greycat | So you're installing FROM a dvd ONTO a usb? |
| 14:19.27 | greycat | Or are you installing ONTO a hard drive? |
| 14:19.36 | DammitJim | unless you are going to have your usb drive plugged in all the time :D |
| 14:20.01 | matthewburton | greycat, Iâm using the DVD ISO from a USB key to install onto a hard drive |
| 14:20.21 | greycat | Then you install grub onto the hard drive. This is the default. |
| 14:20.36 | matthewburton | DammitJim, installing it onto the fixed disk makes sense. The GUI refers to this as âyour first hard drive,â which threw me off |
| 14:21.06 | DammitJim | well... things get detected differently sometimes or sometimes people want other options |
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| 14:22.32 | matthewburton | ok |
| 14:22.48 | greycat | GRUB has to be installed on the device that your computer is going to boot from, which is usually your hard drive. |
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| 14:27.34 | matthewburton | Also makes sense. I previously answered Yes when asked whether I wanted to install GRUB onto my hard driveâs master boot record |
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| 14:27.47 | matthewburton | So, Iâm not sure what the difference is with this step |
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| 14:33.56 | matthewburton | thank you though. installation complete. |
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| 15:13.10 | TheRealGitGud | hello. is it safe to remove certian system users that are created automagically on install? such as "irc" and "games" |
| 15:13.36 | DammitJim | games? |
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| 15:13.55 | DammitJim | funny, I never saw those |
| 15:14.06 | DammitJim | I wonder what game I have installed for that user |
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| 15:16.28 | petn-randall | TheRealGitGud: Probably, but it might break some features. Why do you want to remove them? |
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| 15:17.04 | TheRealGitGud | petn-randall, i know that they are probably locked but i really want to make sure to remove them so their uids are not there |
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| 15:17.35 | TheRealGitGud | there was a link that explained those users but like, i cant find it anymore |
| 15:17.37 | TheRealGitGud | should have saved it |
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| 15:18.54 | TheRealGitGud | petn-randall, this is for a server install btw. not for home use |
| 15:19.06 | jmcnaught | TheRealGitGud: file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
| 15:19.20 | TheRealGitGud | yes that one. thank U :) |
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| 15:19.25 | jmcnaught | TheRealGitGud: i wouldn't remove them, sounds like you're looking for stuff to break to be honest |
| 15:19.53 | TheRealGitGud | jmcnaught, should i lock + expire them? |
| 15:20.12 | jmcnaught | TheRealGitGud: leave them as is? what threat are you trying to mitigate? |
| 15:20.28 | TheRealGitGud | jmcnaught, i wouldnt want someone to abuse those uids to run things |
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| 15:20.36 | TheRealGitGud | to trick the computer to giving them root access |
| 15:20.45 | jmcnaught | TheRealGitGud: how would they do that? |
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| 15:21.15 | jmcnaught | TheRealGitGud: are you able to log into any of these system users? |
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| 15:21.28 | docmur | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.28 | docmur | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:22.04 | TheRealGitGud | jmcnaught, although even when i do any command with su -c the computer says "account is unavailable" so but i dont know if any there is any other shady way that could be abused, for one |
| 15:22.12 | greycat | TheRealGitGud: there should be no password to lock or expire. |
| 15:22.35 | greycat | $ sudo grep irc /etc/shadow |
| 15:22.35 | greycat | [sudo] password for wooledg: |
| 15:22.35 | greycat | irc:*:16682:0:99999:7::: |
| 15:23.16 | TheRealGitGud | greycat, jmcnaught reason why i am concerned is because for pci compliance stuff and just in security forums in general its always recommended to remove unnecessary services, daemons AND users |
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| 15:23.42 | greycat | These are not unnecessary users. They are system accounts used to own files. |
| 15:23.56 | greycat | They do not have passwords or ~/.ssh/authorized_keys files, so you can't login to them. |
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| 15:33.21 | TheRealGitGud | greycat, does that meean its safe to keep em? |
| 15:33.34 | greycat | yes |
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| 15:37.30 | Kenran | Hey guys! I am quite now to debian and I want to finally have sound ;) so I'm trying to install alsa, or rather, did it but it's not really working |
| 15:37.55 | Kenran | I read using lspci | grep audio to see what sound card is detected would be a good idea |
| 15:38.02 | Kenran | but it doesn't output anything |
| 15:38.33 | plasm0duck | Kenran: did you install alsa-utils |
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| 15:38.51 | Kenran | plasm0duck: yes |
| 15:38.51 | greycat | Kenran: lspci -nn | grep -i audio |
| 15:39.05 | plasm0duck | then run alsamixer and make sure it's unmuted |
| 15:39.10 | greycat | the grep -i is important because it's usually written "Audio" |
| 15:39.12 | TheRealGitGud | oh i see greycat i can see even with su -c u cannot make those accounts run shell commands |
| 15:39.13 | TheRealGitGud | interesting |
| 15:39.16 | Kenran | plasm0duck: ah now I see something |
| 15:39.33 | greycat | TheRealGitGud: that's because su insists on invoking the user's *shell* as defined in passwd. |
| 15:39.46 | greycat | sudo can get around that, of course |
| 15:39.46 | Kenran | plasm0duck: I have another idea why I don't hear anything yet; my browser is started from my user while I am still root for installing stuff. Let me try :) |
| 15:39.56 | TheRealGitGud | true. so greycat is there any real way to make that user's uid completely disabled? |
| 15:40.19 | plasm0duck | Kenran: what audio are you trying to play? From a website? |
| 15:40.31 | Kenran | plasm0duck: yes, I opened youtube. Was that dumb? :) |
| 15:40.57 | plasm0duck | You may need to install a flash plugin also or you could get away with html5 |
| 15:41.08 | Kenran | a command line util to check for sound would be better. I'll google, or maybe you know of something |
| 15:41.20 | Kenran | hm, the video is working at least, so I guess it's still only the sound |
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| 15:41.31 | jhutchins | TheRealGitGud: There are better approaches to system security than randomly deleting things you don't understand. |
| 15:41.46 | TheRealGitGud | jhutchins, well im not insisting that it should be deleted |
| 15:41.55 | TheRealGitGud | i just want to make sure that that uid is disabled to run anything |
| 15:41.58 | plasm0duck | possibly, just run alsamixer and make sure you unmute all the output channels and turn the volume up. |
| 15:42.04 | greycat | TheRealGitGud: *sigh* |
| 15:42.20 | jhutchins | TheRealGitGud: I would recommend that you find some documentation on hardening linux, perhaps the PCI documentation if you're concerned with complying with it. |
| 15:42.32 | greycat | TheRealGitGud: ROOT CAN DO ANY FUCKING THING IT WANTS. If root wants to run a daemon as irc, it can do that. It doesn't MATTER what's in passwd or shadow. |
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| 15:42.53 | TheRealGitGud | jhutchins, i have. and thats where it says to remove unnecessary services and users |
| 15:42.58 | jhutchins | greycat: Funny, that's two days in a row we've had people asking about deleting base groups and accounts. |
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| 15:43.06 | Kenran | plasm0duck: thanks! It's working now :-) |
| 15:43.19 | TheRealGitGud | like i said, most security forums say to remove services and users that you do not need |
| 15:43.22 | greycat | Deleting the user account won't matter. If root wants to run a daemon as UID 39, it can do that even if you delete the mapping from "39" to "irc". |
| 15:43.24 | plasm0duck | I remember the days when I would pull my hair out just trying to get simple things like sound working and X and nvidia proprietry drivers working. |
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| 15:43.32 | plasm0duck | Kenran: excellent :) |
| 15:43.41 | alchemistswl | lets just run everything as root :). |
| 15:43.45 | TheRealGitGud | greycat, i understand that. im not talking about root |
| 15:43.51 | greycat | TheRealGitGud: when they say to remove users, they mean ACCOUNTS THAT WERE CREATED FOR HUMANS |
| 15:44.03 | Kenran | plasm0duck: yes... nvidia is always a hassle... they should be installed properly for me, but still I have strange screen tearing in my browser from time to time |
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| 15:44.20 | jelly | TheRealGitGud: understand why they say that, then realize it takes more work to do it on every debian release upgrade, than leave default uids and gids in 0<=99 range alone as-is. |
| 15:44.22 | greycat | TheRealGitGud: Or if they mean system accounts, then they are IDIOTS and you should not listen to them. |
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| 15:44.58 | plasm0duck | Kenran: install nvidia-driver if you want to play games and better drivers. |
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| 15:45.08 | jelly | greycat: things do however become pretty interesting if you delete the mapping from "root" to uid and gid 0. |
| 15:45.24 | jhutchins | The recommendation is really too vague to be useful, especially if you don't know the reason base accounts exist, and you don't know what EVERY process on a system is doing. |
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| 15:45.30 | TheRealGitGud | greycat, ok i will keep them then |
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| 15:45.50 | Kenran | plasm0duck: that should be the one I have installed. But it might not be, I don't want to play anything for a while anyway, so I just don't mind ;) |
| 15:46.18 | jhutchins | TheRealGitGud: A good guideline: Only delete things if you know what they are and why they are there. |
| 15:46.23 | plasm0duck | Kenran: no worries, enjoy your new Debian system :) |
| 15:46.53 | Kenran | thanks! Could it be my normal user is not in an audio group of some sort? |
| 15:47.00 | greycat | run "id" to find out |
| 15:47.26 | Kenran | greycat: hm, it says I'm in there |
| 15:47.32 | plasm0duck | Kenran: I thought you said you got audio working by unmuting the channels in alsamixer? |
| 15:47.39 | Kenran | plasm0duck: yeah, but that was as root |
| 15:47.54 | plasm0duck | Kenran: so do the same thing as user |
| 15:47.56 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 15:47.56 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 15:48.56 | Kenran | plasm0duck: the strange thing is: it doesn't work. I'm in the audio group and alsamixer shows me the channel that was muted before as unmuted with 60 |
| 15:49.09 | greycat | What does "doesn't work" mean? |
| 15:49.14 | Kenran | I'll quickly log back out and in again, brb |
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| 15:51.48 | Kenran | Okay, it works now, but only after starting iceweasel from command line once |
| 15:51.59 | Kenran | I usually start it from an openbox menu entry |
| 15:52.15 | greycat | What happened BEFORE you started iceweasel? |
| 15:52.30 | Kenran | greycat: from command line or from the menu? |
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| 15:52.39 | Kenran | I saw the video, but had no sound |
| 15:52.44 | Kenran | even though speaker-test worked |
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| 15:53.24 | Kenran | that was when I had started it from the openbox menu. After that I started it via iceweasel and it immediately worked (i.e. I heard something) |
| 15:53.28 | greycat | But opening iceweasel magically made the volume become unmuted and unzero? |
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| 15:53.38 | Kenran | greycat: it was unmuted and unzero before |
| 15:53.42 | Kenran | even before I logged out |
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| 15:53.53 | Kenran | as I said: speaker-test did work |
| 15:55.01 | plasm0duck | im out guys have fun o/ |
| 15:55.05 | Kenran | plasm0duck: bye! |
| 15:55.26 | greycat | So you logged in, and aplay worked, then SOME UNSPECIFIED VIDEO+AUDIO COMMAND played video with no audible audio, then you started iceweasel and the SAME UNSPECIFIED COMMAND played video+audio with audible audio? |
| 15:55.55 | Kenran | greycat: let me try again |
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| 15:58.22 | julius_ | for testing purposes to wake the machine up one time, could i: run ethtool -s eth0 wol g and then shut it down(do i just select power off) on a laptop? and on another pc run etherwake xx.xx.xx xx....being the right mac adress? |
| 15:58.22 | Kenran | (1) I logged in (2) I checked alsamixer, but the channel was unmuted and non-zero; the command speaker-test makes a sound (3) I started iceweasel from the openbox menu (4) the youtube video in my last opened tab has no sound (5) I close iceweasel (6) I start iceweasel from the command line (7) the video has sound (8) now it works even from the openbox menu entry |
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| 15:59.17 | greycat | When you say "it" you mean a youtube video playing inside iceweasel? |
| 15:59.24 | Kenran | yes |
| 15:59.34 | Kenran | sorry for being unclear :) |
| 16:00.00 | greycat | No evidence here that the METHOD you use to start iceweseal matters. In both cases all you've shown is that starting iceweasel twice makes a difference for some reason. I don't know why. |
| 16:00.17 | Kenran | greycat: that's what I thought at first |
| 16:00.42 | Kenran | but before I logged out and back in, I had started iceweasel at least 4 times from the menu without working sound inside |
| 16:00.53 | TomTomTosch | maybe the other source was still blocking alsa? debian usually installs pulse audio on top of alsa. |
| 16:01.15 | greycat | Is there something audio-related in your shell that the shell-launched iceweasel would inherit? That it would not inherit from the WM menu? |
| 16:01.41 | Kenran | phew, I don't think so, but I'm a newb... :/ |
| 16:02.00 | Kenran | I'm content with having it working right now |
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| 16:02.21 | Kenran | I don't even dare unplugging my headset and trying out the speakers ;) |
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| 16:03.29 | greycat | Yeah, I can't even imagine what you would have to put in a shell dot file for that to happen.... |
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| 16:25.50 | g00se | Sorry - haven't done LVM before, despite years of experience. Is there any need to create a LVM group on install or can i leave it till later? |
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| 16:27.42 | chrisa | I'm on a NUC6i5SYB, and sound is silent (no error messages, mixer controls can be used, but never any sound). Ideas? |
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| 16:29.16 | chrisa | g00se, you need to create an LVM volume group if you want to create an LVM logical volume, i.e. use LVM. |
| 16:29.18 | jelly | !ideas |
| 16:29.19 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen starving oxen. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 16:29.57 | jelly | chrisa: if it's recent hardware, and you've done the usual alsa checks, try a newer kernel |
| 16:30.04 | jelly | !bdo kernel |
| 16:30.04 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 16:30.23 | chrisa | g00se, if you want to do full disk encryption, then you do generally want to use LVM, since you want to encrypt swap as well and you don't want to type two passwords at boot time. |
| 16:30.26 | leba2 | Anyone knows good documentation that could explain the lowest and nastiest of noobs all about CDT, UTC *and* RTC? |
| 16:30.37 | jelly | chrisa: are you talking about analog output sound or hdmi sound or both? |
| 16:30.45 | g00se | chrisa: Well i'm just installing. Can i leave it till later (want to get the install done)? |
| 16:30.54 | chrisa | analog, the combined mic/headphone jack |
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| 16:31.16 | chrisa | g00se, if you don't want full disk encryption then leave it off. |
| 16:31.42 | g00se | I might want of course just to do LVM without enc later |
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| 16:32.17 | chrisa | You can create a volume group any time you want if you've got LVM physical volumes, |
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| 16:32.34 | chrisa | and you can create LVM physical volumes any time you want given a bare free partition. |
| 16:34.56 | leba2 | ? |
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| 16:35.32 | chrisa | jelly, any tip on how to test whether it's really a driver problem and not, say, a mis-configured audio routing (ALSA/pulseaudio)? |
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| 16:35.49 | jhutchins | leba2: Didn't we explain that pretty thoroughly earlier? |
| 16:35.50 | chrisa | It's not the newest hardware either. |
| 16:36.30 | jhutchins | leba2: Weren't you the one who wanted to "turn off UTC" so your BIOS clock would stay local for Windows? |
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| 16:37.48 | leba2 | Yes, but I'm actually stupid and on top of that I had serious psycho problems back then. So by the time I realized I could not understand a thing. And out of respect, in order to not bother again, this is why I was asking for reading instead. |
| 16:38.00 | leba2 | Because I'm not finding very specific docs in gogole |
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| 16:41.34 | TomTomTosch | leba2: man hwclock has a good explenation of linux time in general if you scroll down. |
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| 16:46.02 | chrisa | Ok sounds like a driver problem. USB audio interface works. |
| 16:46.19 | chrisa | How odd that I can't find anything on the web about it, huh. |
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| 16:48.23 | leba2 | Ok, will try that. |
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| 16:50.50 | leba2 | Is hwclock now part of systemd as well? |
| 16:51.12 | TomTomTosch | no, hwclock is old af. |
| 16:52.02 | kdog | I updated to samba 4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3 yesterday and now share connections are failing with a gss_accept_sec_context error. Anyone experiencing this as well? |
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| 16:53.23 | kdog | looks like token init: SPNEGO(gse_krb5) NEG_TOKEN_INIT failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 16:54.10 | TomTomTosch | leba2: and not sure what this has to do with systemd. |
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| 16:54.57 | greycat | systemd has some fancy stupid time/date crap in it, but it's not enabled by default in jessie so you can just ignore it for now. Until the next mandatory change is inflicted upon us. |
| 16:55.31 | leba2 | I thought for everything time/date related timedatectl was now used... |
| 16:55.37 | greycat | GODS no. |
| 16:55.46 | greycat | Ain't nobody usin' that. |
| 16:55.54 | leba2 | Also, I thought debian 8 now used systemd by default precisely |
| 16:55.59 | greycat | It does. |
| 16:56.04 | leba2 | therefore, timedatectl |
| 16:56.06 | greycat | No. |
| 16:56.07 | leba2 | ^ |
| 16:56.28 | TomTomTosch | use what you feel comfortable with. |
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| 16:57.07 | leba2 | Does hwclock include date as well? Or would it be "hwdate"? (sarcasm) |
| 16:57.30 | leba2 | Ah, wait, man hwclock. Right... |
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| 16:58.55 | TomTomTosch | we only measure time in seconds since 01.01.1970 :P |
| 17:00.07 | peterS | TomTomTosch: ...and we only express it in ISO-8601 |
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| 17:00.45 | jhutchins | The purpose of timezones (and UTC) is to keep trains from crashing into each other. |
| 17:01.09 | leba2 | ^ oh, no, wth... |
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| 17:16.12 | _abc_ | I am in aptitude and can't get lincurses-dev to light up, it only has a 'v' near it. |
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| 17:16.21 | _abc_ | How do I get that to work?! |
| 17:16.28 | _abc_ | I need to install it |
| 17:16.35 | greycat | only knows "apt-get install libncurses5-dev" |
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| 17:16.44 | greycat | doesn't know this aptitude lighting stuff |
| 17:17.02 | thurstylark | What package has the yptest utility for nis? |
| 17:17.14 | thurstylark | wait |
| 17:17.18 | greycat | Never heard of it. |
| 17:17.55 | thurstylark | nvm it's in the nis package. It's in /sbin so had to use sudo to see it in the $PATH |
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| 17:18.45 | teraflops | thurstylark: nis :P |
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| 17:19.26 | thurstylark | teraflops: yeah, had an "I'm a dumbass" moment there. |
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| 17:20.44 | _abc_ | greycat: that worked but aptitude should be able to do it too. libncurses-dev is a virtual package. Would "apt-get install libncurses-dev" have worked in your opinion? |
| 17:20.52 | greycat | no |
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| 17:21.20 | greycat | but you can use "apt-cache showpkg libncurses-dev" to see what provides it |
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| 17:44.40 | BoBeR182 | /topic Flag set to half mast. |
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| 17:55.53 | pecg | Hello, I want to know where I can information of the deblobbing process used to clean the sources for the default kernel |
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| 18:00.01 | TrivialGravitas | Does installing over wireless work yet? |
| 18:01.05 | _abc_ | greycat: I think aptitude took one for the team, might have to reinstall it. Something has changed in it. |
| 18:01.32 | markybob | TrivialGravitas: yes. you probably want the iso that comes with firmware for that. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 18:02.57 | _abc_ | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/07/ian_murdock_autopsy/ this is quite sad. I wonder what really happened. He had no reason to lose it like that. |
| 18:03.01 | _abc_ | imho |
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| 18:03.21 | markybob | _abc_: that's off topic. go to #debian-offtopic if you must |
| 18:03.28 | _abc_ | Okay, sorry. |
| 18:03.56 | flawless | hi lads,is it posible to run 1 desktop on laptop and desktop 2 on external monitor? |
| 18:06.05 | flawless | I mean different workspace on different monitor |
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| 18:22.43 | port0 | hello, I want to contribute to debian. Where can I begin? |
| 18:25.29 | jelly | port0: install how-can-i-help, run it, see what it tells you, maybe |
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| 18:25.52 | rudi_s | port0: There are many ways to help Debian: https://www.debian.org/intro/help |
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| 18:38.02 | thurstylark | What is the most sane way to test for debian version in a bash script? Currently I'm doing a string match against 'lsb_release -cs' and I'm not too confident this is the best way to go about it. |
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| 18:38.28 | greycat | /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:45.27 | abrotman | thurstylark: lsb_release -a ? |
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| 19:19.10 | rbern | there is also /etc/os-release and /etc/issue |
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| 19:21.15 | _abc_ | May I ask how debian wheezy ended up with a 3.20.x kernel when that is not in lts on kernel.org? Are debian kernel numbers decoupled from kernel.org lts kernels? |
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| 19:22.02 | greycat | wheezy has 3.2 not 3.20 |
| 19:22.29 | _abc_ | Ah okay I misread. Wishful thinking. |
| 19:23.08 | _abc_ | Am putting together the initrd for 3.18.36 which I compiled from source out of tree. Need to see if it has support for a driver I need, if it works, I'll upgrade. |
| 19:23.37 | _abc_ | Any tips besides reusing the initrd from 3.16 which is installed from deb wheezy? |
| 19:23.57 | _abc_ | Am going to use the slow and painful manual way. http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-initramfs.html etc |
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| 19:25.26 | jelly | _abc_: 3.16 isn't from wheezy, either. It may come from wheezy-backports. |
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| 19:25.43 | greycat | or from jessie |
| 19:25.59 | _abc_ | Probably. aptitude suggested it and I took that choice |
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| 19:26.33 | jelly | it would not have suggested it unless you explicitely added non-default sources at some point in the past |
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| 19:28.14 | _abc_ | I did not but I may misremember. And I may have added sources suggested here... |
| 19:28.30 | _abc_ | What would a file called klibc-2xtYrByCrj5OEwaInv4tMSjej98.so do in the initramd of the 3.16 debian kernel? |
| 19:28.39 | _abc_ | That's a slightly unusual name? |
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| 19:29.26 | gnikc2 | So I found that bash 'Commands to Move' work over tmux. Now I'm wondering though, does it work because my local shell and remote are bash, or would it work even if only the remote one was bash? |
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| 19:30.42 | gnikc2 | s/ds to Mo/ds for Mo/ |
| 19:31.30 | jelly | _abc_: it would make binaries built with klibc work. |
| 19:32.00 | jelly | _abc_: use update-initramfs to build one. |
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| 19:32.17 | jelly | (not a binary, an initramfs image) |
| 19:32.53 | _abc_ | Would update-initramfs know how to make it properly when there is no deb kernel package for this lts kernel from kernel.org? |
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| 19:33.11 | jelly | try it? |
| 19:33.52 | jelly | _abc_: you could have done a "make deb-pkg" |
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| 19:34.24 | jelly | upstream kernel tree knows how to make a deb package these days. |
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| 19:36.31 | _abc_ | I'll try that if it does not work. |
| 19:36.39 | cdb23ax | hello i am using a huawei e3371h lte usb modem and i have a little problem. iam using debian and i have established the connection with sakis3g tool. the problem is that this sim card is not yet activated. i can only do this via sms but i dont know how to query sms info from linux |
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| 19:37.22 | cdb23ax | i have tried to put the sim card into another smart phone but a net pin for sim is required |
| 19:37.55 | cdb23ax | is there a possibility to query sms with at command? |
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| 19:42.18 | _abc_ | jelly: what is "upstream kernel tree"? |
| 19:43.04 | greycat | kernel.org or whatever |
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| 19:44.17 | jelly | _abc_: what you downloaded and built. |
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| 19:45.26 | _abc_ | really? So I can issue make deb-pkg to a configured and built kernel? |
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| 19:51.25 | _abc_ | Okay my jury rigged ramdisk works, am in the new kernel. Going to spelunk after the driver a bit |
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| 20:03.52 | _abc_ | Nice. So the CH353 has 2x16550A emulation, at register level on PCI, but BREAK is not sent out. CH353L fwiw. |
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| 20:04.18 | _abc_ | So all this was for naught, the problem is hardware. |
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| 20:09.29 | _abc_ | Thanks for the 'make deb-pkg' tip, that is very useful |
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| 20:09.54 | _abc_ | Can one rely on update-initramfs after having that debianized kernel package? |
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| 20:10.21 | gramp | Is there a better font then the default to use? how do I install it? |
| 20:10.42 | gramp | totally new to this but assume I can make everything easier to read |
| 20:10.58 | greycat | Is there a better color than green to paint my walls? What's the best color? |
| 20:12.44 | gramp | hm thankx /greycat |
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| 20:14.35 | jhutchins | gramp: In Debian, in Linux in general, there are a lot of different applications and environments that can use a lot of different fonts as their default. The defaults are usually pretty readable for most people, especially if size and kerning are adjusted properly. |
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| 20:15.28 | jhutchins | gramp: So it would appear that you are having a readability problem with some application or environment, and telling us what the actual problem is, and where it happens, would go a long way toward allowing us to help you. |
| 20:15.54 | gramp | #jhutchins the font looks skinny. i'm not sure what that's called. serif? |
| 20:16.00 | greycat | Usually when people ask something like this, they want stuff to look exactly like some thing they have used in the past, typically Windows. |
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| 20:16.05 | jhutchins | gramp: What font? |
| 20:16.19 | greycat | A serif is the little embellishment or "foot" on the ends of straight lines. |
| 20:16.35 | greycat | A "sans serif" font doesn't have these. |
| 20:16.37 | jelly | screenshot and point out the specific user interface bit? |
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| 20:17.41 | jhutchins | If it doesn't talk we eats it. |
| 20:18.01 | gramp | ya i know. i figured there might be a "popular" font. |
| 20:18.19 | gramp | the wiki point to font liberation |
| 20:18.23 | greycat | Whatever the defaults are, is probably the most popular choice. |
| 20:18.29 | gramp | word |
| 20:18.31 | teraflops | oh |
| 20:18.52 | gramp | i like the defaults. i'm having fun playing with customizations |
| 20:19.03 | teraflops | linux guys can be picky with their fonts |
| 20:19.11 | gramp | exactly |
| 20:19.11 | _abc_ | I ended up with names like linux-image-3.18.36_3.18.36-2_amd64.deb after make deb-pkg in the kernel source top dir. What did I do wrong? |
| 20:19.17 | gramp | no need for attitude |
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| 20:19.37 | _abc_ | There *is* a need for more zero crossed fonts though. And unambiguous 1/l |
| 20:20.00 | jhutchins | I like crossed sevens myself. |
| 20:20.04 | teraflops | for fixed fonts I like ubuntu mono and inconsolatazi4 |
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| 20:21.06 | _abc_ | The build directory in which I issued make deb-pkg is called /usr/src/linux-3.18.36 ; how did it form those package names above please? Can I influence the package names in a reasonable way, without reading the Makefile? |
| 20:21.25 | gramp | about:config with a search for fonts i see sans-serif monospace |
| 20:21.53 | greycat | _abc_: what part are you confused about? |
| 20:21.58 | _abc_ | My current terminal font is DejaVu Sans Mono which has the needed 1/l distinction and crossed 0 |
| 20:22.12 | jhutchins | gramp: WHich is not a font, but two characteristics of fonts, and which is probably a generic tag which is satisfied by a specific, named font. |
| 20:22.16 | gramp | in atom editor for instance some of the letters blur a little |
| 20:22.25 | _abc_ | greycat: the funny names for the generated packages? 3.18.36 appears twice? |
| 20:22.34 | teraflops | gramp: then `fc-match sans-serif` |
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| 20:22.45 | _abc_ | greycat: I assume there is a way to change that? |
| 20:22.58 | _abc_ | some -D option to make when doing make deb-pkg |
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| 20:23.15 | gramp | jhutchins: right, ya sorry forgot about that. |
| 20:23.25 | gramp | i don't see any names though |
| 20:23.43 | greycat | _abc_: compare to the standard kernel file names. I don't see a problem. I don't understand why you think there is a problem. |
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| 20:24.02 | greycat | /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4_amd64.deb |
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| 20:24.22 | _abc_ | /usr/src/linux-3.18.36 -> linux-image-3.18.36_3.18.36-2_amd64.deb is a bit weird? Why does it repeat the 3.18.36? |
| 20:24.38 | jmd | What's the release after jessie called ? |
| 20:24.43 | greycat | "linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64" is the pacakge name, "_" separates the package name from the version, "3.16.7-ctk20-1+deb8u4" |
| 20:24.55 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:25.31 | greycat | jmd: it *will* be called stretch |
| 20:25.33 | _abc_ | And -2 is the build number? |
| 20:25.38 | _abc_ | Makes sense now. Thanks. |
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| 20:26.33 | _abc_ | Okay, thanks for the help, it all worked out excepting for the bummed hw which I am stuck with. |
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| 20:28.37 | w00die_ | hey guys! I'd like to install bunch of cross-compiled packages to build an app on the debian host machine. So, what's the best way to install and manage cross-compile packages? It's mostly libs like zmq, protobuf, etc. |
| 20:28.40 | jmd | greycat: Thanks. |
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| 20:42.27 | _abc_ | I seem to have a problem with 3.16 and 3.18 kernels where incomplete arp entries do not expire even after 30 minutes or longer. Has anyone else seen this? |
| 20:42.43 | _abc_ | Modding the relevant settings under sysfs did not help |
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| 20:50.00 | jhutchins | w00die_: I usually steer clear of things like that, but it's often done in a chroot. CentOS had a script that automatically set up a chroot build environment (and would optionally clean it up), I think it was ca. 4 or 5. |
| 20:51.26 | jhutchins | w00die_: I would think that there would be some resources supporting your target architecture that have good tips and advice on setting up a build environment for it. |
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| 21:17.11 | mdim | hi folks |
| 21:17.32 | mdim | how to install LLVM 3.4 in Debian Sid? The lowest available version is 3.6 |
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| 21:19.25 | miskatonic | if debian continues releasing a new major version every other year, when will it run out of new names from Toy Story? |
| 21:20.49 | jmd | miskatonic: They keep on producing new Toy Story films. |
| 21:20.55 | menace | isn't there a faq entry for that? |
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| 21:34.38 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 21:34.39 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc4-686-pae (4.7~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.3-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.2-2); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1) |
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| 21:39.08 | wald0 | I used a lot the command "lshal" in the past, but it seems like is not anymore in jessie? can i install it anyways? |
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| 21:43.30 | jhutchins | wald0: WHat is your actual goal? |
| 21:43.47 | jhutchins | wald0: There may be another way to do it now. |
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| 22:01.04 | mtndew | I'm trying to setup a preseed file and going through debconf, but it's stopping on a particular question, how do I know the name of the question? |
| 22:01.36 | mtndew | I tried doing a full install, then doing a debconf-get-selections --install > file && debconf-get-selections >> file |
| 22:01.41 | mtndew | but that preseed didn't work |
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| 22:02.46 | RebelCoder | Guys, anyone using E-Mail client in Debian ? Like Evolution for example ? |
| 22:03.18 | RebelCoder | I have tried 5 diff. clients and none of them work. Tried 3 different e-mails on different servers and nothing works. |
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| 22:03.43 | RebelCoder | Keeps saying - wrong password even though it is not. On all clients... |
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| 22:03.48 | pencilandpaper | I'm using Claws Mail RebelCoder. It works just fine for me. |
| 22:03.51 | RebelCoder | anyone encountered that ? |
| 22:03.57 | RebelCoder | Tried that too... |
| 22:03.58 | RebelCoder | strange |
| 22:03.59 | pencilandpaper | What do you have installed right now RebelCoder? |
| 22:04.13 | RebelCoder | Claw, Evolution, KMail |
| 22:04.24 | mtndew | RebelCoder: gmail? |
| 22:04.39 | RebelCoder | Tried 3 diff. Gmail, yandedx, mail.ru |
| 22:04.42 | datu | what is the difference between running aptosid/siduction instead of just debian unstable? |
| 22:04.44 | RebelCoder | none of them work, |
| 22:04.44 | pencilandpaper | Ok, go to Claws Mail and open it up and tell me when you have done that please. |
| 22:05.13 | mtndew | the hell is aptosid |
| 22:05.28 | datu | aka sidux |
| 22:05.33 | pencilandpaper | What do you mean mtndew? |
| 22:05.42 | themill | RebelCoder: wrong keyboard layout? |
| 22:06.03 | RebelCoder | Nah.. al lthe basics rulled out |
| 22:06.09 | RebelCoder | did it for 2 days now.... |
| 22:06.19 | RebelCoder | pencilandpaper, I have fresh Claws opened |
| 22:06.59 | pencilandpaper | Ok cool RebelCoder, now go to Configuration, Create new Account, and tell me when you are there please RebelCoder. |
| 22:07.09 | RebelCoder | there |
| 22:07.25 | mtndew | my bet is network |
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| 22:07.53 | RebelCoder | pencilandpaper, there |
| 22:08.36 | mtndew | oh, aptosid isn't sid, I googled it, it's a debian derivative |
| 22:08.45 | mtndew | that's like saying debian vs ubuntu |
| 22:08.49 | pencilandpaper | Ok, now enter the name of your account RebelCoder, Enter your Full name field, as well as your mail address, for Server information choose IMAP and tell me when you are at that point please RebelCoder. |
| 22:09.02 | RebelCoder | There |
| 22:09.05 | mtndew | someone doesn't want you doing 993 outbound |
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| 22:09.11 | pencilandpaper | Its basically sid, but updates are held for you mtndew. |
| 22:09.39 | RebelCoder | imap.gmail.com |
| 22:09.41 | RebelCoder | smtp.gmail.com |
| 22:09.56 | RebelCoder | Yeah, it detected automatically... |
| 22:10.01 | mtndew | if you have 2FA you will need a separate 16 letter password |
| 22:10.02 | RebelCoder | I did all that before many times.. |
| 22:10.03 | pencilandpaper | No RebelCoder, its imap.mail.gmail.com smtp.mail.gmail.com |
| 22:10.37 | mtndew | do you use 2FA? |
| 22:11.30 | pencilandpaper | Did that work for you RebelCoder? |
| 22:11.42 | RebelCoder | not yet... |
| 22:11.44 | RebelCoder | trying... |
| 22:11.54 | pencilandpaper | Ok cool, hopefully that works for you. |
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| 22:48.01 | mtndew | so no one knows anything about debconf |
| 22:49.46 | wald0 | jhutchins: yeah i can understand but i have some scripts that uses "lshal" to detect hardware details like model, serial, capabilities... etc |
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| 22:53.38 | AirPlanes | mtndew, ? |
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| 22:54.12 | mtndew | AirPlanes: trying to figure out how to make this preseed work |
| 22:54.28 | mtndew | keeps hanging on a particular part of lvm partitioning when asking for confirmation |
| 22:54.29 | AirPlanes | what? |
| 22:54.33 | AirPlanes | oh |
| 22:54.38 | AirPlanes | what is the question? |
| 22:54.45 | mtndew | one sec |
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| 22:56.51 | mtndew | AirPlanes: I'm letting it get to the error again, using packer... |
| 22:57.28 | AirPlanes | what are you trying emm? |
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| 23:00.14 | mtndew | partition disks |
| 23:00.35 | AirPlanes | not my skills but be careful! |
| 23:00.42 | mtndew | before the logical volume manager can be configured...blah blah blah |
| 23:00.54 | mtndew | write the changes to disks and configure lvm? yes | no |
| 23:01.16 | AirPlanes | wait |
| 23:01.23 | AirPlanes | you are installing debian right? |
| 23:01.25 | mtndew | I already have d-i partman-lvm/confirm boolean true |
| 23:02.02 | AirPlanes | Join to OFTC irc server and then join to #debian channel you will get support! |
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| 23:02.25 | mtndew | what |
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| 23:11.50 | tremon | mtndew: you might want to add DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 to the installer kernel command line to help. It will log the actual variables it's asking for to tty4 |
| 23:12.11 | mtndew | no kidding |
| 23:12.14 | mtndew | I'll do that right now... |
| 23:13.25 | tremon | btw I also have d-i partman/confirm_nooverwrite boolean true in my preseed |
| 23:13.58 | tremon | I haven't used my preseed since wheezy though |
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| 23:44.14 | veggi3s0 | i couldn't get the high resolution while using my skyliake integrated graphics in jessie so i dist-upgraded to stretch. any of you use stretch? is there like email lists you subscribe to and cron jobs to do upgrades, what day of the week is the updates for the version ,i would liek to do this properly since it is a test release |
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| 23:46.06 | mtndew | tremon: you're a genius, I'm actually going one by one with packer now and just adding line by line my preseed based on what's going on and then killing the packer and restarting the packer job and watching it progress one step further each time, I have a lot of confidence it's actually going to work this time, thank you |
| 23:46.45 | tremon | lol, you're welcome :) |
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