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00:06.17TomTomToschit's not unusual to use the kernel in jessie-backports. did you have problems with the default kernel?
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00:10.09TomTomToschthe usbnet module is included in the 3.16 kernel. i never had problems with that one.
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00:14.10sypherIs there a way to tell what the default state of a systemd unit is (enabled or disabled)?
00:14.44sypherAs in, can I tell if a systemd unit was enabled or disabled initially when the package that installed it was first installed?
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00:23.43RippyDippynvidia 970 drivers?
00:25.05RippyDippyand yes I have gone through the wiki and downloaded the non-free driver
00:25.21RippyDippyI think noveau isn't blacklisted though
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00:30.33Akuwplease url to learn to debelop apps in for shell, something like aptitude with menus
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00:53.29LambdaComplexAkuw: if i'm deciphering what you asked correctly, you should probably look into the dialog command
00:53.54LambdaComplexwhich is used to create ncurses TUIs in shell scripts
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01:26.15kalehi, i am experiencing a strange problem. when my laptop reaches 5 minutes untoched, the screen is blanked. when i press a key it asks for user/pass. This is not xscreensaver, but looks like its lightdm. i only need to enter username to get back to my desktop. any idea on how i can disable this?
01:27.01somiajkale: I don't think a display manager will lock the screen, but there are various locking tools.
01:27.05somiajkale: what desktop are you using?
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01:27.55kalemy system has not always done this, it has shown up resently
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01:28.37sm00thon my kde its in display settings,  i forget where on xfce but somewhere similar.
01:28.58sm00ththere is always option to lock screen even without screensaver,  but settings are in the same place.
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01:31.29kalesm00th: seems you were right, there is a "lock screen when system hibernates" ... new functionaly to me, buth thanks for the hint
01:32.21somiajseems it uses xflock4
01:33.07sm00thwhy does my juk player play each track at the fullest volume
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01:34.00kalei'll try to keep my hands off the systemfo fo the next 5 minutes and see what happens
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01:38.29sm00thwwok now its not doing it weird.
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01:51.32cheapieWell, one of my computers is being strange again. It's crashing (hard reboot, not a kernel panic or normal reboot) every 2-3 minutes. It doesn't do it when booted from a live CD. Any ideas?
01:52.28cheapie("live CD" actually meaning network boot in this case, but that should be irrelevant)
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01:52.51kalecheapie: try reading from the harddrive
01:53.02cheapiekale: OK, one moment.
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01:54.30cheapiekale: "dd if=/dev/nvme0n1 of=/dev/null bs=4M" is running fine, no crashes yet.
01:54.48cheapieAlmost halfway done.
01:55.43sm00thdo a smartctl scan
01:55.53kalecheck /proc/cmdline perhaps you find some intersting parameters used on the livecd
01:56.13cheapiesm00th: smartctl doesn't support NVMe drives.
01:57.44sm00threally? lol
01:57.45cheapiekale: Nothing unusual there, and when booting from the drive it's set to only give it a root=/dev/nvme0n1p3 option.
01:58.03cheapiesm00th: ATA (PATA/SATA) and SCSI only.
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01:58.31sm00thi see
01:58.33cheapieMeanwhile, the whole drive has now been read, no crashes there.
01:58.43sm00ththat kind of sucks.
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01:59.13cheapieI did check the health log recently, and it was fine.
01:59.40sm00thso this just recently started happening,  but it was fine for a while before that?
02:00.10kalewhat about power usage? could it be your PSU cannot keep up?
02:00.35cheapieI suspect that there's a bad kernel module of some sort being loaded, as this just started happening after I was using the box as an iSCSI initiator (which I had to install the daemon for).
02:00.56cheapiekale: 660W, only using 350W peak at the wall.
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02:01.26cheapieAnd yes, it was fine until recently.
02:01.40kalecheapie: chroot into the installation and disable this new service
02:01.48cheapie(sorry about the slow typing - not used to QWERTY)
02:02.09cheapiekale: I don't know which packages/daemons got installed.
02:02.19sm00thcheck apt history
02:02.33cheapiesm00th: How do I do that?
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02:02.48sm00thhistory.log file
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02:05.17cheapieAll I see in there that I haven't removed yet is sg3-utils. I'll try that.
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02:08.37cheapieLooks like there was also an "iscsid" running. I stopped and disabled that.
02:08.44sm00thah
02:08.58cheapietests it
02:08.59sm00thfind out what mods it installs them rmmode them
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02:14.13cheapieStill crashes with iscsid disabled and no iscsi-related modules loaded. I'll try purging open-iscsi.
02:14.57cheapieRebooted after purging open-iscsi, now to see what happens...
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02:15.33cheapieCrashed.
02:16.34cheapiepicks Memtest86+ from the netboot menu and lets that run for a bit
02:17.09sm00thif it dont' crash on network boot like kale i would think hdd or psu
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02:18.12cheapieI'm tempted to just reinstall the OS at this point.
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02:23.50sm00thcheapie, try a diff kernel
02:25.08cheapiesm00th: Already did.
02:26.02cheapiereboots it with the video card driver blacklisted
02:26.43cheapieStill crashes.
02:27.48Strife89Evening, folks. I'm having an odd audio issue in Debian testing - audio through HDMI doesn't work unless I have suspended the machine at least once during the session.
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02:29.00cheapieI think I'll just reinstall at this point...
02:29.53Strife89I'm not exactly keen on doing a suspend-unsuspend cycle everytime I cold boot the machine, and thus far this has proven to be a difficult issue to research. That said, the only thing I've tried is restarting PulseAudio (via --kill and --start), which didn't work. Any ideas?
02:31.24sm00thunplug and plug back hdmi?
02:32.19Strife89Also probably viable, I'd have to do that every time I reboot the machine as well.
02:32.45Pwnnahow can i remove the init system package completely?
02:32.48Pwnnai'm inside a chroot
02:32.53Pwnnai want to minimize the image size
02:33.10Strife89I know that audio over HDMI works properly in other Debian-based distros - Mint, at least.
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02:34.57sm00thya surround sound controls for me work much better in ubuntu and mint as well.
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02:38.02Strife89sm00th: Heh, I'm not even asking for surround sound. It's a single HDMI cable going from my GFX card to a TV, which is the only display attached to the machine; and the TV's hooked up to a 2.0 stereo.
02:38.53Strife89I *can* use VGA + analog audio, but I have another device hooked up through that and would prefer not to do further cable wrangling.
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02:40.36sm00thStrife89, i know just commenting
02:41.19sm00thhave you tried unplugging and plugging it just to see if thats part of the issue?
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02:42.06RippyDippyhey, can anyone give me hand with these nvidia drivers?
02:42.12RippyDippyI seem to be missing somethign
02:43.02sm00thRippyDippy,  you tried this ? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
02:43.14RippyDippysm00th: Yes. Many times
02:43.43Strife89sm00th: Oh, that does work, actually.
02:43.47RippyDippysm00th: So far, I've tried the backports legacy driver and the non backports driver.
02:43.48sm00thRippyDippy, whats wrong?
02:43.56RippyDippyI have a 970.. if that is important
02:44.08sm00thRippyDippy, what is the problems you are having?
02:44.38RippyDippysm00th: I follow the instructions, only when I reboot, the nvidia driver doesnt take affect.
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02:45.27sm00thRippyDippy, how do you know?
02:45.31Strife89RippyDippy: You may need to make sure you install and run nvidia-xconfig
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02:45.47Strife89I missed that bit on my last attempt.
02:45.48sm00thRippyDippy, or create the xorg file manually
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02:46.05RippyDippysm00th: I believe that is what I had to do the last time
02:46.26sm00thRippyDippy, https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure
02:47.39RippyDippysm00th: I'll reboot and see if that does the trick.
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02:54.40Strife89sm00th: Shoot, unplugging and reconnection the HDMI cable isn't even a good short-term fix. I fired up a game, changed the resolution settings, and promptly lost audio across the system.
02:54.54sm00thdsweird
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02:55.11sm00thStrife89, have yout ried the backport kernel?
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02:55.57Strife89Well, uh. There's a backport from Sid to testing?
02:56.12sm00thoh you are on testing?
02:56.20Strife89Yep.
02:58.15ZeuxBlackis back from: $null - was away for: 2427wks 3days 1hr 58mins 6secs
02:58.19sm00thnot sure what to tell you keep asking someone else will help
02:58.26sypher!testing
02:58.27dpkgTesting is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical!
02:58.36sypherThis isn't quite the right forum for testing support.
02:58.57sm00th<PROTECTED>
02:58.59Strife89I tried to join #debian-next before; seems I need to be invited.
02:59.12sypherStrife89: #debian-next isn't on Freenode. As stated, it's on the OFTC network.
02:59.14Strife89... and that's still the case
02:59.16Strife89Ah.
02:59.27kaleheh ... /join #debian-next threw me in here :-)
02:59.30Strife89Sorry, skimmed over that bit.
02:59.38sm00thkale, lol
02:59.44sypherStrife89: I expect you'll find much more relevant information there. :)
03:00.32Strife89sm00th: Linux 4.6.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.2-2 (2016-06-25) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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03:00.43sm00thStrife89, ah ok
03:02.12sm00thmaybe Strife89 so it worked when you replugged it,  but didnt' work when you ran an app?
03:02.28sm00thStrife89, i know in kde you have to select preferred audio settings maybe something similar for you?
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03:02.44sm00thstill doesn't solve issue of why you have to replug it after boot though
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03:03.21syphersm00th: As stated, this isn't the correct forum for this. Not trying to diminish the assistance you're trying to provide, but there's probably much more helpful resources in #debian-next@oftc.
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03:03.36sm00thlol you're probably right.
03:03.49Strife89sm00th: Well, I'm running MATE and whatever comes with it (PulseAudio GUI, I think?) and I believe I do have to select it specifically. I had to in Mint.
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03:04.43Strife89sypher: I've posted my question there and am waiting for a response. Sorry for the continued chatter on this
03:05.10sypherStrife89: No worries! Just trying to help get stuff sorted out.
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03:06.56Strife89It does bug the mess out of me, though. I use this desktop for gaming (Steam, emulation) and watching movies.
03:07.27sm00thStrife89, most people here dont' even use a desktop gui lmao.
03:07.46Strife89Been running Mint for a while, but I've been running testing on my laptop for a while, and since Mint 18 is now out, I've been wanting to make a change - figured I might as well go back to Debian on the desktop.
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03:08.05sm00thStrife89,  I hear ya.
03:08.20sm00thDebian is more trustworthy I feel.
03:09.21Strife89sm00th: Heh, I was raised on Windows (by necessity). I've grown to enjoy the CLI, but not enough to ditch GUIs. I'm still not really comfortable without a DE in place.
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03:10.41sm00thStrife89, me neither It just looks nice.
03:11.07sm00thI use to be all into security.  but now I don't care anymore.
03:11.18sypherHeh. Security is my job.
03:11.25sm00thsypher,  oh ya?
03:12.49sm00thsypher,  feels like an illusion to me nowadays.  I don't wanna give up what I like to do with my pc anymore.  So i just do the basics and say screw it now.
03:13.01sypherI'm a security architect.
03:13.08sypherFor lack of a better term, at least.
03:13.13sm00thI don't even know what that means lol
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03:13.46sypherEssentially, I'm an enterprise systems architect with a major focus on security design.
03:14.09sm00thcool
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03:14.41Strife89sypher: Nice. Sounds like difficult work.
03:15.02kalei'd rathe be a lumber jack
03:15.50sm00thoh wow an amazon kindle server just got hacked lol
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03:15.59sypherAlmost all of my clients are companies that fall under SEC regulation or some other financial regulation.
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03:17.22sm00thsypher, ah, I see now.
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03:17.50noktI still fail to set up my home  network
03:19.05sm00thnokt, what do u mean?
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03:19.48noktI mean sypher's job seems badass
03:20.28sm00thya
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03:20.55sm00thI would love to work with computers.
03:22.09sm00thbut I'm bad at math lmao
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03:24.04sm00thcan't wait for the new Mr. Robot series.
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03:43.23lxsameerhey folks, how can i mark a package for NOT upgrading ?
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03:48.19m5wHello.
03:48.32m5wno luck with Ubuntu either
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03:49.05m5wjhutchins: MemTest found no errors after several passes
03:49.58m5wto reiterate: my problem is that I can't get gparted or debian netinst to boot on either uefi of legacy
03:50.12m5wand now not ubuntu either
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03:50.44m5wnomodeset seems to make some difference on gparted, but it still won't boot
03:50.55m5weven on "failsafe" lol
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03:52.31m5won gparted, I see `BAR 6: failed to assign [mem size 0x00080000 pref]
03:52.56m5wand a bunch of stuff about PCI
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03:54.34somiajm5w: so the live images aren't booting?
03:55.41m5wsomiaj: I get to grub, but after that it either blackscreens or spits out some messages and doesn't proceed
03:56.26somiajm5w: and this is with live images?
03:56.40m5wsomiaj: yes
03:56.45m5wlive USB
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03:58.14Rusty1_m5w:  all on the same usb device?
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03:59.01m5wRusty1_: no, I used separate drives for each
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04:00.53Rusty1_m5w:  is the target known to be compatable with linux otherwise?
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04:01.27m5wRusty1_: not sure, but I know there are drivers for all my hardware
04:02.29m5wnvidia has drivers; the QCA9377 has a driver available with a kernel backport, and the realtek NIC should be fine
04:02.51m5w(QCA9377 is wireless card)
04:02.58Rusty1_aye
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04:05.57Rusty1_m5w:  have you tried appending noacpid to the boot stanza?
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04:10.24m5wRusty1_: appending that to failsafe doesn't help
04:10.32m5wI'll try on netinst
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04:12.29m5wRusty1_: no luck on netinst; still a black screen
04:12.51m5wI'll try these both on UEFI
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04:15.12m5wRusty1_: no luck on UEFI gparted
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04:16.39m5wRusty1_: black screen on UEFI netinst
04:16.45m5w:\
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04:18.44m5wperhaps I need to boot with an nvidia driver somehow?
04:18.48Rusty1_m5w:   secure boot disabled in bios? shouldnt matter
04:19.55m5wRusty1_: yes; I've also tried ubuntu *with* secure boot and all .efi added and still no luck
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04:21.54m5wand again, MemTest passed
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04:25.05Rusty1_m5w:  if you cant bet any burned iso to boot , then a hardware anomoly is likely at fault, remove any non essential devices and try , otherwise i'm out of ideas
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06:43.09PackageI am trying to get the most recent copy of the repository "evince". I am getting a 404 not found. How can I install the repo without using sudo papt-ge update?
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06:49.53plasmoduckwhats a good small pdf viewer?
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06:51.46shadowssmall?
06:52.03plasmoduckscrap that part
06:52.15shadowsI'd use evince for viewing pdf
06:52.26plasmoduckI use awesome wm so something that will fit in nicely with it
06:52.32shadowsI used to use Xpdf when there was no evince
06:52.32plasmoducknot something from kde or gnome
06:53.01plasmoduckthanks
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06:55.42shadowsplasmoduck: or if you use chromium web browser that has decent buillt-in pdf support
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06:59.25jmd`I have an issue running /etc/init.d/nfs-common
06:59.40jmd`Is seems that it doesn't play nicely with systemd
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07:00.57jmd`/lib/lsb/init-functions.d/40-systemd seems to think it is a "masked" service and  does nothing.
07:01.24jmd`What is a "masked" service?  And how can I get nfs to work if systemd refuses to run it?
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07:06.21plasmoduckshadows, I'm a firefox man... Always have been, always will be ;-)
07:07.00jmd`plasmoduck: You must be a very young man then ...
07:07.15plasmoduckjmd`, why do you say that?
07:07.23plasmoduckI'm actually 32
07:07.33jmd`Well filefox hasn't existed for 32 years.
07:07.49plasmoduckfirefox
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07:37.46nmouseHello all. I noticed that by default auditd is not included in Debian and that the CIS security benchmark recommends to install it. Is there a reason it is not included by default? Is there a different logging solution that is included by default?
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07:51.30babilenjudd: v auditd
07:51.31juddPackage: auditd on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.7.13-1+b2; wheezy: 1:1.7.18-1.1; jessie: 1:2.4-1+b1; stretch: 1:2.5.2-1; sid: 1:2.6.3-1
07:51.50babilennmouse: You can easily install it with "apt install auditd"
07:53.22babilen(very few packages are *always* installed as most are not really needed)
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07:56.39nmouseThank you for the answers!
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09:02.48MaxLanarHello, do you know of a way/programm to monitor network usage by process ? (wich program use what amount of upload/download bandwidth) on a debian box ?
09:02.55MaxLanarCLI welcome
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09:06.00ven00mMaxLanar: iftop
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09:07.07dutchfishMaxLanar, for long term monitoring have a peak at munin too
09:07.31dutchfishMaxLanar, it has graphing options as well
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09:08.12MaxLanarven00m: I have iftop running right now but it don't display network usage by process (or I don't understand something or I don't know how to make it behave that way)
09:10.09dutchfishMaxLanar, if you just want to find the hogs, use nethogs
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09:11.11dutchfishMaxLanar, iptraf is another option
09:11.51dutchfishMaxLanar, nethogs display by pid/user the traffic stats
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09:12.27MaxLanardutchfish: nethogs give me that "creating socket failed while establishing local IP - are you root?" :(
09:12.37MaxLanar(I am root of course)
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09:14.33dutchfishMaxLanar, i assume you are on Debian/Stable ?
09:15.07anton02_anton02
09:16.09MaxLanardutchfish: cat /etc/debian_version
09:16.09MaxLanar8.5
09:16.09MaxLanar<PROTECTED>
09:17.42dutchfishMaxLanar, appears to be a known bug, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=824718 you could try the one from bpo.
09:17.44juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/824718 in nethogs (open, patch): «nethogs remains broken in Jessie»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-05-19; last modified: 2016-05-25.
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09:18.14MaxLanardutchfish: yeah I willdo that
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09:24.31MaxLanardutchfish: the package from bpo is working well :)
09:24.47dutchfishMaxLanar, good to hear :)
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09:53.12xormorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as94OXa-Ab8 <--- my videolog: Presidents and wannabe Presidents of the USA
09:54.36han-soloGO! DONALD TRUMP!!
09:54.40han-solo:)
09:54.54qmrhow is that remotely on topic
09:55.03qmrfuck your video log get the fuck out of here with that
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09:55.53xormorqmr, wrong channel
09:56.03xormorqmr, I tried to post in in ##politics
09:56.09xormorqmr, I just put it there.
09:56.11qmrcarry on then
09:56.29han-solo:}
09:56.33qmralso you seem like one of those european types.  I thought your ilk was all make believe
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09:57.03qmrhan-solo:  sadly he might be the best choice?  :\
09:57.18han-soloI would like to see something :)
09:57.26han-soloit's not that i'm against America
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09:57.38han-solochaos!
09:58.02han-solohe's so stupid as his hair cut
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10:05.15mikejwI've broken my machine trying to upgrade to stretch
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10:10.21babilenmikejw: You typically want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support. It would also be quite helpful if you could paste commands and their entire output to http://paste.debian.net
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10:12.42doublehpafter 2 weeks, i did not received confirmation my bug was created ; what should i do ?
10:12.49mikejwbabilen: says I must be invited
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10:15.20mikejwundefined symbon Perl_xs_apiversion_bootcheck
10:15.26mikejw*symbol
10:16.59babilenmikejw: The channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) with the rest of the official Debian channels and not here on Freenode.
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10:17.13mikejwah ok thanks
10:17.29babilendoublehp: Sounds as if it has not been received by the bug tracking system
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10:34.35doublehpbabilen: so ... what should i do ?
10:34.42malade_mentalHello, I have a hard drive problem. It mounts normally, I can see all the files on it, but then when I check it's status with "df" data is totally wrong.
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10:35.51malade_mentalI had problems with that hard drive before, it was formatted in NTFS and never stopped bugging (sometimes not starting...) so I did a backup, I formatted it, and now it has an ext4 filesystem. I had to specify an alternate superblock
10:36.32doublehpmalade_mental: smartctl -a /dev/sda => any pastebin
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10:39.34petn-randallmalade_mental: Can you show us the output of 'df -h'? → http://paste.debian.net
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10:41.16malade_mentalsmartctl : http://paste.debian.net/780163/ ; df : http://paste.debian.net/780164/
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10:45.39doublehpmalade_mental: Samsung is not to be recommended (even when you get a good batch, waranty is short). People seem happy with this model; can't see any trouble. Still, some day, you should run "badblocks -svw /dev/sdc" (will destroy all data; and may take from 6 to 48h)
10:45.52doublehpmalade_mental: after this, check smartctl again; especially line 5
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10:46.26MaxLanarnethogs give that : http://paste.debian.net/780165/ What's that ?? Should I worry about this line ?
10:46.57babilendoublehp: How did you report the bug?
10:47.00doublehpmalade_mental: line 5 not null indicates dead disk. Other lines may indicate bad SATA cable; Wikipedia has a good article about SMART. to me, your problem is not hardware; mkfs should fix it.
10:47.08malade_mentaldoublehp: thanks, I did not know about smartctl command before :/
10:47.14malade_mentalshame on me
10:47.39doublehpbabilen: sent an email; copied email content from a /tmp file from the machine where bug was (does not have valid exim), and pasted it inside Thunberbird.
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10:48.52malade_mentaldoublehp: ok so I do a badblocks command first
10:48.54doublehpmalade_mental: it's a shame it's not installed by default on 100% machines in the world (included phones, and routers). default installed on 0%. Could warn people 6 months before loosing data ... produce pop-ups, tell machines are about to die; not a single OS does it.
10:48.59babilendoublehp: You can easily use Debian's SMTP server from reportbug by setting "smtphost reportbug.debian.org" in .reportbugrc -- This is also being offered when you run "reportbug --configure". I use that setting by default even if I have a working MTA setup on that host.
10:49.05malade_mentalhopefully i still have a backup
10:49.20babilendoublehp: And you are sure that your mail was delivered correctly? Where did you send it?
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10:49.48malade_mentaldoublehp: never had hard drive problems like this one with debian in years of using it
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10:50.22malade_mentaland why do space management programs don't do that, so bad
10:50.36doublehpmalade_mental: since low level seem fine, i don't understand how you can share common problem between NTFS and ext4. Did you used NTFS under linux ? if yes, problem is probably your kernel; if you have same issue with NTFS on windows, and ext4 underlinux, then ,common point is RAM/CPU ... and you should have many other problems if CPU or RAM has corrupted internals
10:50.53malade_mentalno I don't have common problems!
10:51.11doublehpbabilen: give me your email via /msg and I forward you the original
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10:51.31malade_mentalwhen it was on NTFS sometimes the disk just didn't start, now it's ok with ext4 but I just noticed when running df -h
10:51.35malade_mentalthat it was buggy
10:52.00doublehpdefine buggy
10:52.12doublehpdefine "not start"
10:52.33babilendoublehp: I don't think that's necessary right now. I was just curious which address you send it to.
10:52.54malade_mentalwith ext4, df -h give me 77MB used space, except
10:53.01doublehpsubmit@bugs.debian.org
10:53.15malade_mentalit's almost full and it's 1TB total space
10:53.48doublehpmalade_mental: mount => pastebin
10:53.49malade_mentalwith NTFS the partition just couldn't be found when booting, then I just reboot and it worked
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10:54.09babilendoublehp: That should have been fine. Are you sure it is not sitting in a mailqueue somewhere? You could simply file it again or try to get additional information from #debian-bugs on irc.oftc.net
10:54.44doublehpmalade_mental: your NTFS issu description is still not clear: did plates start spinning ? was disk found by BIOS ? did kernel find a disk with no partitions in it ?
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10:55.00malade_mentalhttp://paste.debian.net/780175/
10:55.20doublehpbabilen: I am confident in my sending system. Was said to wait 2 or 3d. It was june 24th ...
10:55.43malade_mentalyes plates where spinning, the disk was in bios, just a disk with no partitions
10:55.51babilendoublehp: Yes, you should have received confirmation by now
10:56.01malade_mentalbut I don't have the issue anymore I can't test again doublehp
10:56.14doublehpmalade_mental: this can not be the full output of what I Asked you; it's the second time you select what YOU THINK RELEVANT, and do not provide what you are asked !!!
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10:57.13malade_mentaldoublehp: yes but just say me why we need other lines from "mount" ?
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10:57.44malade_mentalin fact it's this : http://paste.debian.net/780176/
10:58.12malade_mentaldf -h : http://paste.debian.net/780177/
10:58.21doublehpmalade_mental: you wxant help ? you want the exhaustive list of my 17y experience ? you already did not provide what petn-randall asked you. I am now expected AFK
10:59.35doublehpmalade_mental: if du -lsh reports more used space than df -h , that's because you have a lot of hard links in the disk.
10:59.38malade_mentaldoublehp: I don't doubt you have the experience
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11:00.42malade_mentaldoublehp: can this come from rsync? because I use this to restore my files back on the hard drive
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11:00.45doublehpmalade_mental: used space does not matter; only free space is relevant. As long as you don't have "disk full" message, your disk is fine. I am using ZFS, and I have about 3 times more used space than my total disk space ...
11:01.20malade_mentaldoublehp: ok so that's great news for me, also I'll read the wikipedia article that you pointed
11:01.26doublehpmalade_mental: rsync is able to handle hard links, but this is discouraged. Symlinks never mess space (unless you are using bar arguments to find and du )
11:02.56doublehpmalade_mental: to check actual free space, do this: cat /dev/zero >/media/glarg/foobar ; ls -lh /media/glarg/foobar ; rm /media/glarg/foobar # then, you know what's left ... on ext4 (on ZFS, since it can use compression, creating a zero file is unreliable to determine free space; on my system, I would need to use /dev/random)
11:03.01malade_mentaldu -lsh just tells me 300GB are used, while df tells me 77M.
11:03.13malade_mentallet's just suppose it doesn't matter a lot
11:03.31doublehpmalade_mental: I could make your du tell you you are usine TB, or even EB
11:04.08doublehpmalade_mental: if fsck tells you it's fine, then it's fine.
11:04.09malade_mentalyes I know
11:04.29malade_mentalso great, thanks doublehp for helping so much
11:04.52doublehpbabilen: i think sending it again is useless; is there an alternative to emails for creating debian bugs ? Ill be back in 1h
11:05.05babilendoublehp: No, there isn't.
11:05.08malade_mentalit's not a very important hard drive for me so if one day fsck tells me it's not ok I'll just throw it away, anyways I still have backups.
11:05.15malade_mentalsee ya!
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11:05.41doublehpbabilen: sending sending may not do better than first ...
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11:06.09babilendoublehp: As I said: If you really want to follow up on it then contact #debian-bugs, but I would recommend to send the report again and to use smtphost reportbug.debian.org to do so.
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11:51.00G66Khello everyone , im using 7 wheezy . is there anyway to connecto to wifi using wps pin
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11:52.17doublehpG66K: yes
11:52.31G66Kdoublehp: may i know how please ?
11:52.42multi_iowhy does apt-get not want to upgrade the package in this situation? http://paste.debian.net/780181/
11:52.44doublehpnot sur
11:53.36doublehpmulti_io: not required by any dep ?
11:53.55doublehpmulti_io: update uncompatible with present packages ?
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11:55.39multi_iodoublehp: on apt-get install vagrant it says: vagrant is already the newest version (1:1.7.2).
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11:56.49doublehpmulti_io: are you using stable ?
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11:57.41multi_iodoublehp: no, unstable
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12:08.31doublehpbabilen: smtphost seems to not help; but reading docs, seems my report was mal-formated: started body email with subject: instead of package: ... i will try a 3rd time. Too bad Debian does not gwarn about rejected reports
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12:21.51babilendoublehp: reportbug should generate correct reports
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12:23.59doublehpbabilen: things are much more complicated when bugs are in the network installer; and 10y ago reportbug used to include instructions to report bugs using an alternate MTA, but does not do it anymore
12:24.16doublehpnot MT, MUA
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12:24.39user___Hi
12:25.09user___Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
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12:33.28user___Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
12:34.25user___Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
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12:35.39user___Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
12:35.40user___Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
12:35.55user___Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
12:37.58user___?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^
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12:39.07multi_ioI have a package (vagrant) installed in version 1.7.2. The version in the repository is 1.8.1. Still apt-get install refuses to upgrade the package, claiming "vagrant is already the newest version (1:1.7.2)."
12:39.11multi_iowhy?
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12:39.42multi_iohere's proof: http://paste.debian.net/780183/
12:39.51multi_ioso why does it do this?
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12:41.20dvs!frankendebian
12:41.20dpkgWhen you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess.  There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try.  See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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12:41.48doublehpuser___: you will get KB for spam very soon
12:42.31doublehpuser___: multi_io fast repetition of question won't help; wait at least 1h before reasking
12:42.36multi_iodvs: my take is that this is strictly question about how dpkg/apt work
12:43.41user___doublehp Ok  Ok , Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
12:43.47dvsmulti_io, no, it means that if you include an unstable release to a stable release, it means you are running unstable.
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12:44.17multi_ioI'm not asking for support on how to get a stable system, I'm just asking why apt doesn't want to install this thing in this situation
12:44.22dvsactually, you're somewhere in between unstable and stable
12:44.23doublehpuser___: i have read your question over 20 times; and probably 20 other people also did; you have win entry in my ignore list.
12:45.03doublehpwe don't answer because we don't know.
12:45.55user___Ok , Have a nice Day.
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12:46.38babilendpkg: kfreebsd
12:46.38dpkgDebian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set.  kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures for Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns.  https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/  https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ  #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net.
12:46.41babilenah ..
12:46.42babilenheh
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12:47.36doublehpdvs: (it's called testing ^^ )
12:47.39TomTomToschmulti_io: the version you have installed has the epoch 1: the other has no epoch, in which case 0: is assumed. that's why 1:1.7.2 has a higher priority than 1.8.1
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12:48.02multi_ioTomTomTosch: ah!
12:48.07multi_iothanks much
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12:53.13multi_ioI should've known this :O
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12:53.32multi_iothanks again TomTomTosch, uninstalled & reinstalled, it all works now
12:53.44TomTomToschno probleme.
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13:29.27useretailhi, how to install rar on jessie? these i have in my sources list: http://pastebin.com/wY1DVv3G
13:29.31useretailwhen I do 'apt-get install rar' i get: Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
13:29.54cra1g321useretail, you want to unrar rar files ?
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13:30.03cra1g321if so, iirc the package is unrar
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13:30.05useretailno, rar them
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13:30.16dvs!unrar-nonfree
13:30.24dvs,v unrar-nonfree
13:30.26juddNo package named 'unrar-nonfree' was found in amd64.
13:30.28useretaili want to rar, not unrar
13:31.55useretailhttps://packages.debian.org/jessie/rar -> on this page it says that rar is in non-free archive, but i already have that in sources.
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13:32.14cra1g321yeah just found that
13:32.20cra1g321did you do "apt-get update" after ?
13:32.24useretailyes
13:32.31useretailalready did
13:32.35aediniushm, weird, i have rar
13:32.45aediniusshow it in non-free
13:32.58kingkonghi. i have such error. "PHP Fatal error:  Uncaught exception 'RainTpl_Exception' with message 'Cache directory tmp/ doesn't have write permission."  it will cause me any problem if i set chmod -R 755 /tmp/*  ?
13:33.06aediniusoh wait, i'm not on jessie, nevermind IGNORE ME
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13:33.52useretailkingkong: we have no idea what your script does
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13:34.37cra1g321useretail, your sources look/are correct, so that is weird...
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13:35.13useretailcra1g321: yep, that's why i decided to ask here
13:35.22nitraxSup guys, someone with experience with openbox here ?
13:35.35dvs!ask
13:35.36dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:36.11cra1g321useretail, unless maybe try changing the sources to a specific server then refresh them, see if it finds the package then
13:36.14themilluseretail: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-get update; apt-cache policy rar; apt-cache policy"
13:36.18kingkonguseretail: its paste script. full error log here https://paste.kde.org/pdrql0axn/gjoahy
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13:37.41Walakeai have just installed Antegos as a second OS (after Debian) from Live USB, when i try to boot it, it hangs during GUI loading. i know this is not a Debian issue
13:38.07kingkongshould i chmod -R 755 /tmp/* ? its will cause me any security risk ?
13:39.32nitraxOk well, sorry. So, I just have a silly question which make me crazy. Indeed, I run debian through openbox and I disable the window decoration of my term via the right click menu and I'm struggle to put it back. I already tried to add an action entry in the rc.xml or simply by the same menu that I used before but no success ... Would be great if someone can give me a lead. Cheers
13:39.44themillkingkong: that's a silly idea
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13:40.32useretailthemill: http://pastebin.com/dxAAVWc5
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13:41.23kingkongthemill: what do you advice me to do solve my problem?
13:41.40TomTomToschif your script needs write access to /tmp then changing permissions on the contents of /tmp will not help.
13:41.58themilluseretail: non-free packages are frequently not available for archs other than amd64 or i386. This is one such case.
13:42.00useretailkingkong: Set write permission or set RAINTPL_CHECK_TEMPLATE_UPDATE to false. More details on http://www.raintpl.com/Documentation/Documentation-for-PHP-developers/Configuration/'
13:42.24useretailthemill: ahhhhh
13:42.40themilluseretail: and yeah, try using a better format
13:43.09useretailthemill: like what?
13:43.12TomTomToschand /tmp usually has write permissions for all.
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13:43.40themilluseretail: depends what you are trying to compress and what the memory/speed/size compress/decompress trade-off is
13:43.49kingkongTomTomTosch: why not? if so, i will try to set that setting as false.
13:44.17themilluseretail: unlikely you really need anything other than .tar.gz or .tar.xz though
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13:44.36kingkonguseretail: that raintpl site domain is on parking. i will set that setting as false if write access to tmp isnt solution
13:44.43TomTomTosch<PROTECTED>
13:44.44useretailthemill: yeah, i'm aware of that. but a friend wants rar :)
13:45.20useretailthemill: thanks anyway
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13:45.48themillmeh... anyone who is obsessing about the compression format needs to get out more
13:46.16dvs,v rar
13:46.17kingkongTomTomTosch: how to give write access for tmp to that script then? it will not solve my problem?
13:46.17juddPackage: rar on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 2:3.9.3-1; wheezy/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1; jessie/non-free: 2:4.2.0-1; stretch/non-free: 2:5.3.b2-1; sid/non-free: 2:5.3.b2-1
13:46.32TomTomToschkingkong: and 'Cache directory tmp/' probably is not /tmp, but something in the directory of whatever thing you use.
13:47.11kingkongTomTomTosch: omg
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13:47.58TomTomToschgods rarely help with software related issues.
13:48.04useretailkingkong: try to change that variable first
13:48.16useretailpeace guys
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14:04.46peewhyhave a look in /lib/systemd/system
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14:07.20x-fakpeewhy, why i dont see anything with such command strace -e write systemctl enable znc.service
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14:16.50p0rthey, I need to run onlu one program in x, without any kind of window manager.
14:17.10p0rtI'd like to use computer in text mode and run X only for browser.
14:17.16p0rthow to achieve it?
14:17.20RippyDippyThats so odd, last night I was having trouble getting the nvidia drivers working, I tried a fresh install this morning and it worked perfectly. I wonder what was messing it up last night
14:17.23jmdp0rt: No problem.  Debian can do it.
14:17.32p0rtjmd: Yeah, how though?
14:17.53jmdWell don't install any window managers.
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14:19.17jmdYou could just start X when you want your browser: Like "startx iceweasel"  for example.
14:19.27p0rtjmd: Er, that's a good idea. I was hoping for a more complete answer though. Let's imply that I want to start a new X session for browser, so I'll have one X instance running for everything, and a second one for browser.
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14:19.45p0rtjmd: oh, so startx does this kind of thing?
14:19.48p0rtthat's good
14:19.50p0rtthanks.
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14:19.57jmdOh so you want two displays?
14:20.02p0rtno
14:20.14p0rtActually, I think it would be good at this moment
14:20.33jmdYou cannot have two X instances running on the same display.
14:20.50p0rtjmd: I can switch between them though, right?
14:21.17jmdYou have only one monitor?
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14:21.51p0rtjmd: yeah
14:22.08p0rtjmd: startx firefox does the job, thanks!
14:22.13jmdLet me ask the question then why you don't want a window manager?
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14:22.48p0rtjmd: I use mostly non-X programs
14:23.00p0rtjmd: The only X11 program I use is browser
14:23.17jmdThat is what a window manager is for.  Starting X is a bit of an overhead.  So why not install a simple window manager and use it to switch between xterm and firefox.
14:23.32p0rtjmd: So I don't want to have X running all the time since I don't use browser that often
14:23.39jmdSo?
14:23.41p0rtjmd: I use i3 actually
14:23.51jmdI don't know what i3 is.
14:23.55p0rtjmd: It's good, but it's a waste of resources
14:24.00p0rtjmd: It's a window manager.
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14:24.03p0rti3wm.org
14:24.19p0rtjmd: I just don't want X running all the time
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14:24.40p0rtjmd: Thanks for your help, startx does the job :-)
14:24.41TomTomToschxinit binary -- :1    where :1 is the display works just fine.
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14:25.38jmdp0rt: Well if you are prepared to accept the overhead of starting X each time, then that'll work fine.
14:25.52GerowenIs there a way to script an SSH login and application launch?  For example, let's say I wanted to automatically log into a remote machine via SSH AND immediately launch a program on that machine?  Is there a way to write a script that passes commands to an SSH session that isn't open when the script first starts?
14:25.53p0rtjmd: Ok, thanks.
14:26.07TomTomToschwhat overhead? running a de if he doesn't need one is overhead.
14:26.20jmdPersonally I use ratpoison to switch between xterm and emacs.  I very rarely use anything else.
14:27.19jmdTomTomTosch: startx takes a few seconds.
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14:28.19TomTomToschnot on my machine and a wm does the same xinit call as startx...
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14:28.58p0rtjmd: Firefox starts, but it shows only on half of the screen
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14:29.10p0rtjmd: The rest is just black
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14:29.51jmdProbably that it its default size.
14:29.53p0rtany ideas why?
14:30.06p0rtjmd: how can I change it then?
14:30.19p0rtsorry, I'm a complete idiot in terms of X11
14:30.23jmdUse a window manager.
14:30.59jmdOr perhaps firefox has a Fullscreen option.
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14:31.20p0rtjmd: doesn't work though
14:31.35jmd!doesn't work
14:31.35dpkg"Doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?".  Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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14:32.39TomTomToschhe already said what isn't working. the applications he starts with startx are not fullscreen.
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14:33.26p0rtjmd: when I press F11 which should make it fullscreen it does the animation of being fulscreened, but it's still only on a half of the screen
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14:34.14jmdtry "startx ratpoison"  and then C-t firefox
14:34.36p0rtjmd: I don't want any WM, including ratpoison.
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14:35.24p0rtonly X program I want is firefox, no more.
14:35.28jmdWell then, as you have found, managing your windows (even if there is only one of them) will be difficult.
14:35.54doublehpp0rt: window manager is mandatory to exploit some features; firefox is not coded to exploit everything in X
14:36.03jmdYou might be able to pass --geometry to firefox.  I'm not sure.
14:37.04jmdp0rt: But hey! As you are obviously a minimalist,  why not go the whole hog, and run X with NO clients?
14:37.22p0rtjmd: What do you mean no clients?
14:37.32jmdNot even firefox.
14:37.46p0rtdoublehp: doesn't X allow resizing clients?
14:37.58p0rtjmd: I need to have it running though :v
14:38.09jmdNo you don't.
14:38.21p0rtdoublehp: Like setting a fixed size of a program in it
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14:38.39doublehpp0rt: resizing a window is a X feature; Firefox may be unable to use that feature directly without WM
14:39.25p0rtdoublehp: how do you set a fixed size of a window in X though?
14:39.44jmdp0rt: In general, you can't.
14:39.53doublehpp0rt: anything WM do ... are less code to be written by apps developpers; there is no reason to duplicate code: what WM do for 99% people, Mozilla team may device to not implement it in their products
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14:40.11doublehpp0rt: X --help
14:40.29doublehpp0rt: if it's an internal call, you are stuck
14:41.08jmdX clients make requests to the window manager.  The window manager then makes a call to the server to provide a window.
14:41.34doublehpp0rt: handling the size and position of a window is the job for a WM; there is no reason to add this code to X, or to end user apps
14:42.18p0rtjmd, doublehp: So I'll need some kind of window manager afer all.
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14:42.34jmdI think you will.
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14:42.40doublehpp0rt: or a browser that ship X discussion directly
14:42.43p0rtEven a simple one which will just set a size of window.
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14:43.14p0rtdoublehp, jmd: Ok, thank you very much!
14:43.20doublehpnever heard of rat thing, but, it sounds to be just about as light as ion
14:43.55jmdAlternatively, you could forget X, forget firefox and just run emacs.
14:44.27p0rtjmd: Yeah, good luck watching YouTube in emacs.
14:45.02XeonSquareddoesn't emacs have a way to embed webkit into it now?
14:45.13doublehpp0rt: I definitly think Ion2 or RatPoison can do it; and unless you are using a very old CPU, the 3MB of RAM used by those WM should not be an issue
14:45.56jmdp0rt: apt-get install youtube-dl
14:46.23doublehpp0rt: if you are using such an old machine, your problem will rather be about finding an ancient version of firefox that does not weight 500M; and any way, an old FF will not be able to print web2. If you are not looking for web2, then, many other browsers may be lighter, and more efficient for small machines
14:46.27p0rtjmd: How can you watch a film without X?
14:46.41doublehpp0rt: in either case, insisting for using Firefox, and refusing a WM sounds odd/stupid
14:47.10doublehpp0rt: how many alternatives to X do you want me to quote ? give me a number
14:47.14jmdp0rt: I use my television.
14:47.27p0rtdoublehp: It's kind of I-want-to-learn-how-to-do-useless-things behavior.
14:47.41p0rtdoublehp: And I know it
14:47.42doublehpp0rt: directFB, FreameBuffer, XdirectFB (none of them are Xorg)
14:48.09p0rtdoublehp: Oh...
14:48.38jmdhack, hack, hacking ...
14:48.39doublehpp0rt: plus, as jmd said, there are many many many alternatives using alternate monitors: network dispatch (to smart TV, or smartphone, video card able to output TV signal ... )
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14:49.36doublehpp0rt: I live 13 months without X, in 2001, because I was too lame to install and configure it; i could still watch movies, and read Office documents, PDF, and even powerpoint things
14:49.57jmdAnyway, I gotta go and brew some coffee with my toaster.
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14:50.22doublehpp0rt: then, to your exact initial questino, the strict answer is: "100% impossible"
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14:50.55doublehpp0rt: but with any concession, there are 1000 alternatives
14:51.13p0rtdoublehp: How did you get to know all this things?
14:51.39p0rtdoublehp: Well, I was born in 2001 so I was living without X back then too.
14:51.54doublehpp0rt: by that time, I had friends ; then, I had google; i stopped learning new things around 2006, no more time
14:52.50p0rtdoublehp: Ok, I'm gonna play with frambuffer then, seems like a good idea.
14:52.58doublehpp0rt: google is not as good as back then, but, debian forums should help (but for general topics, Gentoo and Arch forums are way better)
14:53.22doublehpp0rt: als, stop non debian discussions in here: #linux #hardware #softwar
14:53.31doublehp#networking (#software)
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14:53.54p0rtdoublehp: Ok, sorry.
14:53.56p0rtGotta go
14:53.57Urchin[emacs]it's ##linux
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15:22.31TomTomToschdoublehp: irc.oftc.net
15:23.55doublehpTomTomTosch: thanks, better
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15:28.16kingkongi changed setting but still asking write permition on tmp .
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15:32.51WulfHi
15:33.07WulfI want to rebuild a package with optimization/strip turned off. How to do that?
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15:40.04doublehpkingkong: tmp must be this: drwxrwxrwt
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15:43.53han-solohe did chmod -R 755 temp/, i guess
15:44.08han-solos/temp/tmp
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15:46.32kingkongi didnt change it. how can i find its permitions
15:47.24xormordrwxrwxrwt 13 root root 4096 heinä 10 18:39 /tmp
15:48.03xormorkingkong, do: "/exec -o ls -ld /tmp" without the quotation marks.
15:48.22han-solols -l <file>
15:48.38xormorls -ld <directory>
15:48.44xormor"list directory"
15:48.55xormoror "list long directory"
15:49.01han-solo"Everything is a file" :)
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15:49.36xormorhan-solo, then it is "ls -ld <file>", but the <file> must be a directory kind of "file".
15:49.40doublehphan-solo: ls -l /tmp will nopt return what we need !!!
15:50.06xormorman ls
15:50.11sypheror "stat /tmp"
15:50.13baumhow could i resolve a dependency issue like that? https://paste.debian.net/780199
15:50.42han-solowe only need to see the permissions, right?
15:50.52xormor"ls -ld /tmp"
15:51.17han-soloyeah, i get what you're saying
15:51.31sypherstat would be the fastest way to get that information.
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16:00.46kingkongxormor: /exec -o ls -ld /tmp
16:00.46kingkong-bash: /exec: No such file or directory
16:01.21xormorkingkong, "ls -ld /tmp"
16:01.43xormorexec only works from the irc chat client.
16:01.56xormorkingkong, in the commandline it is: "ls -ld /tmp"
16:02.11xormorkingkong, without the quotation marks.
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16:03.33kingkongdrwxrwxrwt 5 root root 4096 Jul 10 17:02 /tmp
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16:05.11cobalt-redwhat's going on?
16:05.25kingkongxormor: its same as you wrote ?
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16:13.28xormorkingkong, it is correct now.
16:13.35xormordrwxrwxrwt 13 root root 4096 heinä 10 19:09 /tmp
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16:14.37kingkongxormor: but i still get same error
16:14.51xormorkingkong, there SHOULD be no problem, but there might be some problem.
16:15.04kingkonglol
16:15.14xormorkingkong, try ls -lR /tmp
16:15.18xormorkingkong, but the output is long
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16:16.15kingkongxormor: IR with big i?
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16:19.21xormorkingkong, no, small "el", "l".
16:19.44xormorkingkong, "el es dash el dee slash tee em pee"
16:19.55xormorkingkong, ls -lR /tmp...
16:19.58xormorkingkong, argh...
16:20.03xormorkingkong, try to figure it out
16:20.33xormorkingkong, "el es dash el ar slash tee em pee"
16:21.23xormorkingkong, so you are using "AndChat"... you might want to set a font that differentiates between "I" and "l". "aye" and "el".
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16:21.59teraflopsholy cow
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16:25.13teraflops1l0O ^
16:25.57kingkongxormor: its so much similar. hard to recognise. :)
16:26.03teraflopshttps://ptpb.pw/bHMd.png
16:26.43kingkongi see that script renamed on github. i will reinstall it. i hope they did more than rename
16:26.43teraflopsI do weechat (android) never had such issue
16:27.12kingkongweechat android is an app?
16:27.19teraflopsyep
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16:31.54kingkongi will test it later
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16:46.16rindolfHi all. I'm trying to do "apt -y dist-upgrade" on a Debian Jessie VM and I'm getting abysmal speed of 20 KB/s from security.debian.org. Is there any way to configure a mirror?
16:48.22Wulfrindolf: sure, /etc/apt/sources.list
16:48.33rindolfWulf: ah, OK.
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16:54.06rindolfWulf: beautiful! Thanks.
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17:03.09jmcnaughtrindolf: i recommend not using -y for dist-upgrade. dist-upgrade can remove packages, it's better to have a chance to say no
17:03.39rindolfjmcnaught: OK.
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17:05.48rindolfjmcnaught: I hate the fact that apt/etc. are interactive in Debian - I cannot stand the delays.
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17:07.23DexterFhi all
17:07.30jmcnaughtrindolf: on Debian stable you seldomly need to use dist-upgrade, usually "apt-get upgrade" is all you need to do and this command does not install or remove packages
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17:07.54rindolfjmcnaught: ok.
17:08.03rindolfDexterF: hi.
17:08.04jmcnaughtrindolf: however because dist-upgrade can remove packages it's best to do it interactively, especially if using non-standard repos
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17:09.21DexterFI just saw in df -h a few entries for cgroup, cgmfs, tmpfs for some mount points at /run/user/<number>. then there is dirs like /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd/user.slice/user-132.slice and I have no idea how that got in. it seems to have to do with lxc, but I never did anythign with lxc on that machine
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17:10.16jmcnaughtDexterF: cgroups are used by systemd, they're not just an LXC feature
17:10.45jmcnaughtDexterF: who is uid 132? "id 132" will tell you
17:11.19DexterFjmcnaught: lightdm and nx. that's ok then. thanks.
17:11.38DexterFbut why does lightdm have a 1.6GB mount point to tmpfs in df?
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17:12.27jmcnaughtDexterF: can you show the line?
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17:13.00babilendoublehp: There are, as of now, 65 people in that channel
17:13.22doublehpbabilen: i was on the wrong server; TomTomTosch told me
17:13.46doublehpbabilen: but no answer in 2h; bed time soon
17:13.47babilendoublehp: All official Debian channels are on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net)
17:13.56DexterFjmcnaught: http://pastebin.ca/3656953
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17:14.37babilenYeah, it is not a high volume channel. You might get an answer eventually. Didn't you re-send your report with correct content and using reportbug.debian.org as SMTP host?
17:15.42doublehpbabilen: twice already ...
17:15.53babilenAnd no reply?
17:16.01babilenWhich package did you report a bug against?
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17:16.23babilenDid you use reportbug to generate the report?
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17:17.54doublehpbabilen: as i said already ... i generated the report via reportbug, and copied the report content from the file in /tmp; 10y ago, reportbug used to have an oiption to handle the case when you don't use exim; then, reportbug used to give explicit and step by step instructions
17:17.57jmcnaughtDexterF: i don't know why lightdm has its own /run/user/132 or why it is running under user.slice. I use GDM and it doesn't do that. The size it is showing in df is the maximum size, it's not actually using that much unless needed. According to the tmpfs man page the default size is 20% of virtual memory
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17:18.25doublehpbabilen: but this option has gone away; and it's not against a package; it's an interaction between partman and mkfs during nbetwork install
17:18.49DexterFjmcnaught: hmm. ok. well, it sounds legit, so I'll </paranoid>
17:19.37doublehpbabilen: in a specific case, it can end in a situation where beginners can never install the system at all; the workaround is cat /dev/zero>/dev/sda ... not something trivial for everyone ...
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17:20.16jmcnaughtDexterF: system services like display managers should be running under system.slice. (slices are a systemd concept, an interface to cgroups, take a look at the output of systemd-cgls)
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17:58.52baumuhm, after a dist-upgrade one of my monitors refuses to work (ati-mesa) - by chance anyone experienced something similair?
17:59.20baumxrandr still detects both monitors
17:59.35rindolfbaum: which version?
17:59.53rindolfbaum: of Debian I mean.
17:59.59baumrindolf: stretch
18:00.22rindolfbaum: ah.
18:00.31petn-randall!debian-next
18:00.31dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
18:00.34rindolfbaum: are you using the FOSS driver?
18:00.42baumrindolf: yes
18:01.06petn-randallbaum: see the dpkg message above. The other channel has all the testing users, so you'll get better support over there.
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18:01.53baumpetn-randall: thanks
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18:06.34mundus2018fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Operation not permitted
18:06.42mundus2018COuld this be an openvz issue?
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18:09.27doublehpmundus2018 does your use belong to right group ?
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18:09.42mundus2018IM in sude
18:09.47mundus2018*Im in sudo
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18:12.09plasmoduckI'm thinking about building a cluster of Lenovo Core Duo's, how do I go about it?
18:12.37plasmoduckIs there any special software I need?
18:13.04plasmoduckLike Beowulf
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18:14.00rindolfplasmoduck: well, there's also Hadoop.
18:14.36plasmoduckWhats some useful things I can use it for? Other than just doing it for the sake
18:14.54plasmoduckI can get the Lenovos at $20 a pop thats why I was thinking about it
18:14.56rindolfplasmoduck: is this a solution in search of a problem?
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18:15.28plasmoduckrindolf, is that a riddle?
18:15.49rindolfplasmoduck: no, it'a an idiom.
18:16.24plasmoduckanyhow what could I use such computational power for at home?
18:16.47plasmoduckonly things I can think of is BOINC and Bitcoin mining
18:16.48rindolfplasmoduck: see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Solution_in_search_of_a_problem
18:17.11rindolfplasmoduck: bitcoin mining is faster using GPUs.
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18:18.15plasmoduckbotnet
18:18.38plasmoduckbruteforcing
18:18.49jmcnaughtplasmoduck: you could use a few of them to practice making "cloud" services with ganeti or openstack
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18:19.06plasmoduckjmcnaught, sounds like a good idea.
18:19.22rozieplasmoduck: cost of hardware is not a problem. cost of energy is
18:19.45plasmoduckhow much energy?
18:19.50plasmoduckFor say 6
18:19.56plasmoduckcore duos
18:20.01plasmoduckper month
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18:25.28roziea lot
18:25.52Daggerdepends what they're doing. it's about 1.6 gigajoules/month per 100 watts used for 6 of them
18:25.55rozieif it's laptop, I bet ~30-40W each
18:26.15rozieif it's desktop, I bet 80-120W each
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18:26.42roziehe want's to run some BOINC OSLT
18:26.53rozieso they will run at full power
18:26.59Daggeridle power might be anywhere from 10w to 100w depending on desktop vs laptop, other hardware, PSU efficiency etc. active use might be 25-250w depending on the same
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18:27.30plasmoduckyes they are desktops and will be running at warp 10
18:27.37mundus2018I cant seem to be able to access /dev/fuse as root, any idea why?
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18:27.44Phaneswhat advantages will i get installing debian that i wouldn't get with ubuntu server?
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18:28.28plasmoduckPhanes, less bloatware, a better streamlined system
18:28.40mundus2018I cant seem to be able to access /dev/fuse, any idea why?
18:28.44mundus2018oops sorry
18:28.55mundus2018didnt seam to say that agian
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18:29.00plasmoduckPhanes, think of it like comparing Windows to Linux
18:29.08shadowport578hej
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18:29.37Phanesis that an elitist way of saying ill be spending all my time troubleshooting configurations instead of using the services
18:29.44shadowport578my sound was working perfectly fine and all the sudden it stopped working
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18:29.55shadowport578what would be the best way to troubleshoot this ?
18:30.20plasmoduckPhanes, no it's just as easy to use as Ubuntu and there are GUI tools for most things.
18:30.37polyzenhttp://www.co.kerr.tx.us/it/howtoreport.html
18:30.43plasmoduckyou will just feel better about yourself knowing you have a more pure system.
18:30.53Phaneswhat does 'pure' mean
18:31.12plasmoduckthink of a virgin and a whore
18:31.27miskatonicI dislike GUI tools and avoid or disable them all the way
18:31.28polyzenwat
18:31.39plasmoduckDebian is the pure virgin and Ubuntu is the dirty whore everyone uses
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18:31.56Phanesanybody with a clue know how to break it down
18:32.02plasmoduckmiskatonic, all my servers are headless and xless
18:32.07shadowport578piasmoduck you got it right
18:32.14shadowport578debian = noobs
18:32.22shadowport578is it right ?
18:32.28jmcnaughtplasmoduck: please try to keep it appropriate in here
18:32.36sypherAnd on topic.
18:32.39shadowport578jmcnaught hey
18:32.44shadowport578long time no see you
18:32.48plasmoduckjmcnaught, sorrym I didn't think that was too bad?
18:34.00jmcnaughtPhanes: one big difference is how long releases are supported for. Debian's support period is shorter, but now there is the limited LTS security service that helps a bit
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18:35.20shadowport578i need some help with linux network and phpmyadmin is this the right channel ?
18:35.59jmcnaughtshadowport578: hey, if you're using Debian you can ask here. If there's a better channel someone might recommend it
18:36.27shadowport578cool
18:36.43shadowport578jmcnaught so i did install phpmyadmin
18:36.44shadowport578and
18:36.58jmcnaughtPhanes: i've also found that some of the packages in Ubuntu universe have bugs that don't exist in Debian (because Ubuntu takes a snapshot of Debian unstable but doesn't necessarily focus very much on those packages)
18:37.02shadowport578it says "Please choose the web server that should be automatically configured to run phpMyAdmin."
18:37.11shadowport578but i dont see nginx
18:37.27shadowport578its only apache2 and lighttpd
18:37.33Phaneshrm, well, ill stay in channel and listen in, and go with ubuntu server for this project for the time being since i can't get any meaningful breakdowns.  cant take chances without reasons but ive heard good things about debian for a long time now
18:37.53jmcnaughtshadowport578: it's possible that the package maintainers haven't added support for automatically configuring nginx
18:38.04Phanesso that might change soon after i know more about what im looking at
18:38.44shadowport578jmcnaught hmm what would you recommend to do ?
18:39.07jmcnaughtPhanes: the truth is that both use the same software, and there are even a lot of common developers between Debian and Ubuntu. The biggest differences are in how the projects are organized really
18:39.23quinnwShadow does it have an option to manually configure?
18:39.46jmcnaughtshadowport578: If it were me I'd already be using Apache2, but if it has an option to skip automatic configuration you can just set up nginx manually
18:39.51shadowport578no i dont see it there
18:40.03shadowport578oh
18:40.03quinnwOk
18:40.11shadowport578could you guide me through this ?
18:40.11miskatonicin debian, avoiding non-free software is easier. That's my difference.
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18:42.25quinnwmach_k_away: any chance you could turn that off?
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18:44.15shadowport578jmcnaught ?
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18:44.55maziarhello everyone, i want to add user, that user can edit files under /var/www/ , and /var/www/ access is www-data www-data
18:45.01jmcnaughtshadowport578: i'm not really very experienced with nginx. any reason you can't use apache?
18:45.13rindolfmaziar: then put it under the www-data group.
18:45.47jmcnaughtshadowport578: you should also look at /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin to see if there's a README.Debian or maybe example nginx configs.
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18:46.11shadowport578jmcnaught i need to know this because the company..
18:46.18jmcnaughtshadowport578: the phpmyadmin package configures apache with mod_php, for nginx you'll need to use php-fpm instead
18:46.35shadowport578oh
18:46.43shadowport578but how do i find it ?
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18:46.57jmcnaughtshadowport578: find what?
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18:47.24danboidIs there a live CD for stretch/testing?
18:47.35shadowport578php-fpm like look im in the process of installation
18:47.40shadowport578i cant see that option
18:47.47maziarrindolf i use this command : usermod -aG www-data username
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18:47.56maziarrindolf but not works, why ?
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18:48.13rindolfmaziar: can you see it in /etc/group ?
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18:48.43TomTomTosch,i php5-fpm
18:48.44juddPackage php5-fpm (php, optional) in jessie/amd64: server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (FPM-CGI binary). Version: 5.6.20+dfsg-0+deb8u1; Size: 2144.6k; Installed: 8905k; Homepage: http://www.php.net/
18:49.06shadowport578i will look into this
18:49.09maziarrindolf in /etc/group : username:x:1002:
18:49.09jmcnaughtshadowport578: if you want to use nginx with the phpmyadmin package, and the package doesn't configure it automatically, you'll need to do it manually
18:49.36rindolfmaziar: that's the wrong line.
18:49.46rindolfmaziar: what happens in www-data?
18:50.32maziarrindolf yes it is on www-data:x:33:username
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18:50.41danboidDo Deb live cds only get produced for stable releases?
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18:51.12rindolfmaziar: ok, then it should work after a reboot or similar.
18:51.29rindolfmaziar: assuming you have group write permissions.
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18:52.33maziarrindolf is there any other thing istance rebooting
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18:54.01rindolfmaziar: what?
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18:56.34maziarrindolf i restarted the server but not work yet, why ?
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18:57.46rindolfmaziar: what doesn't work?
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18:57.58rindolfmaziar: what are the symptoms of the problem?
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18:58.42maziari can not edit file under /var/www whit my user, i don't want to gain root access to user, just want to gain access to /var/www/*
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18:59.10rindolfmaziar: what are the permissions of the file?
18:59.19rindolfmaziar: what does ls -l say about it?
18:59.59maziarrindolf www-data:www-dat
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19:00.30rindolfmaziar: and the permissions?
19:00.36rindolfmaziar: give me the whole "ls -l" line
19:00.54rindolfmaziar: I'm not talking about user/group ownership.
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19:01.04maziar-rwxr-xr-x 1 www-data www-data 703 Feb  9 16:37 /var/www/src/index.php
19:01.29shadowport578anyidea how to troubleshoot sound
19:01.30shadowport578?
19:01.41shadowport578for some reason it stoped working
19:01.44rindolfmaziar: ok, you don't have write permissions for the group to that file.
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19:01.58maziarrindolf 775 is ok ?
19:02.10rindolfmaziar: do "chmod 775 /var/www/src/index.php" as root - and yes.
19:04.04TomTomToschshadowport578: install pavucontrol, check the output device. or use the sound application that is part of your DE.
19:05.49shadowport578i did install that and everything looks correct
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19:06.00shadowport578TomTomTosch it is set up at 100%
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19:08.18teraflopsshadowport578: paste the output of pactl list sinks to https://paste.debian.net while playing something
19:08.31maziarrindolf how to chmod 775 to all directory and subdirectory in /var/www ?  chmod 775 /var/www/* not work for all sub directorys
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19:09.03rindolfmaziar: add -R
19:09.08teraflops-R, looks like you want to read man chmod
19:09.12rindolfmaziar: chmod -R 775 ...
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19:10.06shadowport578teraflops one moment
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19:10.22pykno-parongreat summer song !   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysb3TZ-YrKU&feature=youtu.be
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19:12.48shadowport578teraflops https://paste.debian.net/780233/
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19:17.41teraflopsshadowport578: are using the hdmi?
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19:19.54shadowport578teraflops i dont have anything plugged in just as it is
19:20.40teraflopsso you are using the built-in card and no sound?
19:20.49shadowport578yes
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19:21.28teraflopsif yes, look at alsamixer press f5 choose your card and check nothing is muted
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19:25.31timothywcraneI am looking for a php file manager for my deb8 LAMP to comb over my file chown chgrp needs w/o squinting into the shell or installing a dte. The ability to change groups is a big plus. Any suggestions or better channel to ask in? Thanks in advance
19:25.34shadowport578teraflops the speaker had nothing
19:26.04LinuxIsGreatHello, I am having issues with reinstalling some packages. I am trying to reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx, however when I run "apt-get install reinstall libglq-mesa-glx" it gives me this error "Reinstallation of libgl1-mesa-glx is not possible, it cannot be downloaded." Any ideas of how I can reinstall it?
19:26.13shadowport578teraflops but still no sound
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19:26.22shadowport578maybe it needs a restart ?
19:26.23somiajLinuxIsGreat: try running apt-get update first?
19:26.28LinuxIsGreatI have mutliply times;
19:26.50timothywcraneDid you uninstall or purge the old app?
19:27.11LinuxIsGreatAs in libgl1.... ?
19:27.38rindolfLinuxIsGreat: aren't you missing some dashes?
19:27.52shadowport578teraflops shouild automute be enabled ?
19:28.04timothywcraneIt could be holding onto bad configs. sudo apt-get purge APP ..... then reinstall. Might help.
19:28.21LinuxIsGreatnot to my knowlage. I went ahead and searched it up on "apt search libgl1-mesa-glx" and it showed up as the one I wanted, and no other varients that have a differnce of dashes
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19:28.56LinuxIsGreattimothywcrane, I am a little "nervous" about doing so, as If it doesn't work I could just simply be stuck without it.
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19:29.02docmurI'm running htop I see the red thread (kernel) running at 100% of all my cores, according to htop it's the /sbin/getty 38400 tty# processes, they seem to be running at 100%, how I can determine why?
19:30.33LinuxIsGreatAnd I purged it an it is removing gnome
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19:30.53LinuxIsGreatWell.. I stopped it, but what will happen when I restart
19:31.32timothywcraneYou hit no
19:31.54LinuxIsGreat? I had to ctrl x or something whilst it was doing its thing
19:32.06timothywcraneYou should be fine
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19:32.27LinuxIsGreatI can always reinstall it, even if it is an issue, just a pain.
19:32.38LinuxIsGreatgnome)
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19:33.06timothywcraneWhy the reinstall to begin with?
19:33.13LinuxIsGreatNevermind..
19:33.29LinuxIsGreatGive me a minute, or 10, Im restarting. SEe what happens :)
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19:37.59wicdI am getting this problem https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=51778 but I have to use wicd. How can I fix this problem?
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19:46.02timothywcraneAnyone know if you can chgrp in phpFileManager? or any other similar project? I only see all of them promoting chown features.
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19:47.25shadowport578i think i have a bad luck or something, trying to install nginx and im getting this error https://paste.debian.net/780236/
19:47.43shadowport578how can i fix this ?
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19:50.27moon__ik this might be offtopic, but is anyone willing to attempt to exploit my linux system i use to give a bot it's shell interface? im trying to find and block/patch potential exploits
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19:51.52jmcnaughttimothywcrane: you might need to try a few out to find the one you're looking for
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19:53.21jmcnaughtmoon__: this isn't a very good request to make. It's impossible for any volunteer to know that the system they are trying to exploit actually belongs to you and not some mark
19:53.44moon__oh, true :L
19:54.21moon__but i do have root access, it does belong to me :P
19:54.52jmcnaughtshadowport578: the error says to look at 'journalctl -xn' for more details. You could add '-u nginx' to that to filter for only message from nginx
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19:55.06timothywcraneI will... just though someone might have remembered chgrping through one... rtfm on a few now...
19:55.29shadowport578jmcnaught right i can try
19:56.23moon__well, if someone wants to try, the bot interface is #hbot, and it runs debian 8 amd64
19:56.40shadowport578jmcnaught Failed to start A high performance web server and a reverse proxy server.
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19:57.29shadowport578Unit nginx.service entered failed state.
19:57.31jmcnaughtshadowport578: as i said earlier i'm not that familiar with nginx but making a paste of the full output will get you better help
19:57.35shadowport578defined by systemd
19:57.43shadowport578true
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19:58.02jmcnaughtshadowport578: what version of nginx are you using? what does "apt-cache policy nginx" say?
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19:59.39shadowport578jmcnaught https://paste.debian.net/780237/
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20:00.29jmcnaughtshadowport578: probably nginx cannot start because of a problem in its config files
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20:01.27shadowport578jmcnaught take a look at this https://paste.debian.net/780238/
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20:01.36shadowport578i run those two commands
20:01.42shadowport578and thats what i got
20:01.43XndrKHow do I change the super key's binding?
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20:02.00jmcnaughtshadowport578: something else is running on port 80
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20:02.20XndrKRight now, it's press ESC, lift, then hit your next key. I want it to be hold Super and whatever key.
20:02.22shadowport578does it matter if its public wifi ?
20:03.03jmcnaughtshadowport578: no, it means that you have another webserver already running. What does "systemctl status apache2" say?
20:03.44wicdBrb I will try something
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20:04.33diego__hello, I think there is a problem with wine32-tools package in jessie, since it contains /usr/bin/winegcc32 that is a script that involves /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/winebuild and /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/winegcc but both have wrong path: should be in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/bin/winegcc and /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/bin/winebuild (I think), can anybody confirm this?
20:04.38shadowport578jmcnaught https://paste.debian.net/780239/
20:05.07jmcnaughtshadowport578: how do you interpret this?
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20:06.00shadowport578that the apache is running but the nginx is not
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20:06.45jmcnaughtshadowport578: yes, and both want to use port 80. apache2 was probably pulled in as a dependency of phpmyadmin
20:06.56shadowport578ohh
20:07.04shadowport578how do i shut down this ?
20:07.13shadowport578or maybe even delete ?
20:07.29shadowport578so i can start over again ?
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20:08.38jmcnaughtshadowport578: you'll probably want to remove apache2. Take a look at "apt-cache show phpmyadmin" and look at its depends. The '|' means 'or'. So if you have php5-cgi or php5-fpm installed, it won't install libapache2-mod-php5 (which is listed first)
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20:13.00Zlibasshfs -o reconnect <<--- What is the meaning of this option?
20:13.03shadowport578jmcnaught you right https://paste.debian.net/780241/
20:14.01shadowport578so should i run apt-purge apache2 ?
20:14.38jmcnaughtshadowport578: you probably have more than one apache package. What does "aptitude search ~napache" say? Also why not use apache?
20:15.31jmcnaughtshadowport578: before you do anything else, you could try going to http://localhost/phpmyadmin (there's a good chance apache is already running phpmyadmin okay)
20:16.06shadowport578jmcnaught https://paste.debian.net/780242/
20:16.48shadowport578Unable to connect
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20:17.11jmcnaughtshadowport578: oh sorry, that's a list of all apache packages available. I meant to type "aptitude search ~i~napache" (the ~i part filters for installed packages)
20:17.21shadowport578np one sec
20:18.36shadowport578jmcnaught https://paste.debian.net/780243/
20:19.41jmcnaughtshadowport578: if you want to remove them all you can do "aptitude remove ~i~napache" but pay attention to the prompt in case it wants to remove more than those five packages
20:20.03shadowport578ok
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20:21.41shadowport578jmcnaught now i can start over again i guess
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20:22.04shadowport578how should i do it the right way now ?
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20:23.21jmcnaughtshadowport578: something like "apt-get install phpmyadmin php5-fpm nginx" but then you will need to configure nginx and php5-fpm to use phpmyadmin
20:24.14shadowport578ok let me try this
20:24.16jmcnaughtif you're fine with running phpmyadmin in the default FPM pool (which runs as the user www-data) then you probably can leave php5-fpm's config alone, but you'll need to make nginx aware of it
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20:24.49shadowport578what do you think would be easier ?
20:25.22jmcnaughtshadowport578: i think the easiest is to use the default apache2 and mod_php with phpmyadmin
20:25.58shadowport578ok so let me verify this before i mess up something lol
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20:26.19shadowport578apt-get install phpmyadmin and then apt-get install nginx ?
20:26.21jmcnaughtshadowport578: i have in the past configured phpmyadmin under apache2 and php5-fpm. I don't have anything like that running right now, but I do have an Ansible playbook role that configures it
20:26.33shadowport578oh
20:26.55shadowport578i need to learn this thats why im struggling
20:27.08jmcnaughtshadowport578: you can list multiple packages in the install command. You need php5-fpm installed before or at the same time as phpmyadmin otherwise it will pull in libapache2-mod-php5 again
20:27.19shadowport578ohh
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20:27.56jmcnaughtshadowport578: debian-reference and debian-handbook are both pretty good. they're available as packages to install locally, or at https://www.debian.org/doc/
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20:29.04shadowport578thanks jmcnaught
20:29.08shadowport578question
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20:29.43shadowport578how long do you think it will take to be decent in working with linux systemes and network administration ?
20:30.04shadowport578like can i learn this in less thank 2 weeks ?
20:30.19shadowport578than*
20:30.26jmcnaughtshadowport578: it's different for everyone, depending on how much time you put into it and how serious you are about reading documentation
20:31.10jmcnaughtshadowport578: if you work on this stuff for a few hours every day you'll make a lot of progress in a couple of weeks, but it will take longer than that to get proficient
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20:31.53shadowport578jmcnaught i see
20:32.00shadowport578i will try to spend like 15 hours a day
20:32.02jmcnaughtnobody ever gets to a point where they can stop learning, people do sysadmin work for decades still have to keep learning as the technology evolves
20:32.11shadowport578yes true
20:32.34shadowport578the goal is to be able to be have enough knowledge for technical support work
20:33.08shadowport578there is no more money in coding since all the jobs are in 3rd world countries
20:33.18shadowport578so yeah it suks but this is the reality
20:33.26shadowport578-be
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20:33.52shadowport578jmcnaught i gotta go
20:33.57shadowport578you were a great help
20:33.58shadowport578!
20:34.07shadowport578thanks a lot
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20:34.28jmcnaughtshadowport578: you're welcome. good luck, and take a crack at working though the debian-reference book
20:34.51shadowport578definitely
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21:01.54jeniahello
21:02.52jeniaI'm at the end of my strength with Wifi and debian. Can someone please help me? I want to use `gnome-netowork-manager` and their `nm-applet` cause wicd bugs at "verifying authentication"
21:03.08jeniabut somehow wifi isn't working smoothly
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21:03.43jeniasometimes it doesn't work at all, then I connect/disconnect X 10 and hope for the best and sometimes it work for 5 minutes
21:03.53jeniahow do  I make this work correctly?
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21:05.19jenia_hello. It's me from my debian connection. Right now, wifi happens to work somehow
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21:06.52jeniait just stoppped working all of a sudden
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21:09.55jeniawhy have two network managers when none of them works correctly? Never understood this
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21:10.43wondiwsdoes anyone here know how the MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) works?
21:11.12wondiwsI got it working on my windows pc with WMP, but what software do I use on Debian?
21:11.26wondiwsI can browse my music and pictures, and delete, in Nautilus
21:11.36wondiwsbut I haven't figured out how to upload
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21:13.41AimHerewondiws, mtp-tools gives you the main command-line tools for working with mtp clients
21:14.15wondiwsAimHere, it doesn't detect anything, although I'm connected with Nautilus (that's gvfs, right?)
21:14.56awal1When I got a dell laptop (windows 8), right now formated, I got one usb key for recover window. lsblk/gparted list it as sdb1. I want format it and use for my debian system as a normal usb but gparted doesn't give me the usual option for format. How can I solve this?
21:15.51awal1wanna format it as fat 32 for use it with my debian (store documents, multimedia and so...) ^
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21:18.12awal1there is a lock beside that key, so it's locked. (that's what I see in both gparted and thunar)
21:21.45somiajawal1: is this in the installer?
21:22.36somiajawal1: Is there a physical lock on the usb drive to make it read only?
21:24.46BinBasherCould anyone tell me whether the last two steps in https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=166057 are necessary or have influence on this fix in debian?
21:26.09awal1somiaj, I have no idea what that usb key includes exactly. when I bought that dell laptop, dell company also sent me an usb key and they told me it's for recover windows if at anytime I format it. I formated that dell laptop  the same day I bought it and installed in it debian.  So I guess it's a key for recover windows8 bcoz thunar mounts it and I see that the content: boot, efi, bootmgr, setup.exe. I see a lock beside each folder
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21:28.19awal1langpacks, bootmgr.efi, sources  and more windows stuff I see. No, there is no a physical lock, somiaj
21:28.32Nematocyst__where do i post problems with debian stretch, is this channel ok?
21:29.27unbornNematocyst__: i think debian-next
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21:29.39Nematocyst__i tried that.  said it was invite only
21:29.40teraflopsBinBasher: if you do bumblebee you don't need xorg.conf, and if you do nvidia blob you have to check that nouveau is blacklisted, you better use https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee#Installation instead and old post from archlinux bbs
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21:30.35teraflopsBinBasher: also what's your real problem?
21:30.41unbornNematocyst__: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting ??
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21:31.15LinuxIsGreathello, so o managed to screwup my desktop enviorment.. anyone know how i can.. fix it? apt-get install gnome-desktop returns no installation canadite.
21:31.48Nematocyst__i can't call it a bug yet.  having trouble starting services to even diagnose the issue i'm having
21:32.03awal1somiaj, ok, problem solved. thanks for your attention anyway. I just had to unmount it and now I have the option to format it (thunar automount have confused me )
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21:33.34teraflopsawal1: lsblk ;)
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21:34.09Nematocyst__the irony is that i got stretch when trying to obtain jessie.  didn't find out until first boot
21:34.33awal1teraflops, yeah, i have used it for list it :P
21:34.45[Serbian]hello
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21:38.04teraflopssilly automounting, and still people complains about not having it for external drives
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21:39.14jeniadid any of you managed to make WIFI work on Debian?
21:39.26jeniaI spent many many hours and didn't manage to do it
21:40.10debidijenia: wpa_supplicant
21:41.02jeniawpa_supplicant? alright thanks.I'll check it out
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21:42.15teraflopsjenia: sure, what are you doing exactly? take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
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21:44.38jeniadebidi: I already have wpasupplicant installed
21:44.54AirPlaneshelp
21:44.55AirPlaneshttp://paste.debian.net/780252
21:44.59AirPlanesafter i wrote sudo apt-get update
21:45.03jeniaI'm not sure what already I need to do
21:45.05unbornjenia: whats your wifi chip?
21:45.20teraflopsjenia: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse ^
21:45.27debidi^
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21:45.48jeniaunborn: I forgot. sorry. but gnome-netowkr-manager works (and then stops, then works after 10X connect/disconnect)
21:46.37jeniateraflops: I went through this
21:46.39debidii'd just stick to cli/ifupdown when it comes to network ifaces
21:46.48AirPlanesanyone read?
21:46.52awal1Hmmm, unmounting that f***  windows usb key I have the option fot format it but when I try to format it as fat32, or eliminate it, or create a new partition table, Gparted displays an error message "Can't write to /dev/sdb because it is opened read only". Suggestions?
21:47.13unbornjenia: yeh perhaps wrong driver or something..
21:47.27debidiawal1: sudo gparted ?
21:47.38jeniadebidi: very interesting. But how do I instruct it to connect to a specific network?
21:47.58awal1debidi, running gparted as root , of course :P
21:48.16debidiawal1: ok, check permissions for /dev/sdb (stat /dev/sdb)
21:48.31unbornAirPlanes: its srv error
21:48.38debidijenia: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant
21:48.44AirPlaneswhat is mean? unborn
21:50.18bipulWhat is lock file? And why it is being used?
21:50.24awal1debidi, output looks correct http://paste.debian.net/780253
21:50.46debidiAirPlanes: try different server in your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:50.49jeniaunborn: yea, I think that'll be the best option for me
21:50.51jeniathanks a lot
21:50.52jenia;)
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21:51.02TomTomToschbipul: lock files are being used to manage resources that should only be accessed by one process at a time.
21:51.44bipulTomTomTosch, For instance?
21:51.59AirPlanesdebidi, how ?
21:52.00debidiawal1: does the key have a physical read-only/rw switch ?
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21:52.20debidiawal1: also check if kernel says anything related (dmesg | tail)
21:52.44TomTomToschbipul: devices, or a data that should stay consistent.
21:52.55TomTomToschs/a//
21:53.00AirPlanesdebidi, how ?
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21:53.51LinuxAndCakeHello, I accidentally deleted my desktop enviorment.. Any ideas on bring it back, or something like xfce4?
21:53.55debidiAirPlanes: edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list (as root) and replace all occurrences of "http://debian.co.il" with http://ftp.debian.org
21:53.55AirPlanesplease how do i change server?
21:54.01awal1debidi, no, no physical stuff
21:54.07AirPlanesthank s debidi i hope it will work
21:54.07bipulTomTomTosch, Thank you, Between i wish if you could give me a real time example scenario.
21:54.19LinuxAndCake(and when I do something like apt-get install xfce4 or gnome-desktop it tells me no installation canidate
21:54.21unbornLinuxAndCake: apt-get install gnome or others
21:54.35debidiawal1: then "apt-get update", also keep a backup of old file
21:54.43debidii mean AirPlanes ^
21:54.44bipulAny link? or document if you would like to share with me ?
21:54.50awal1:D
21:54.53LinuxAndCakepackage "gnome" has no installation canidate.
21:55.02awal1nothing relevant in dmes
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21:55.13AirPlanesdebidi, what?
21:55.18AirPlanesnow i am confused
21:55.31AirPlanesoh
21:55.33AirPlanesthanks
21:55.46awal1probably the key have the feature of write protected for prevent data loss
21:56.10unbornLinuxAndCake: https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
21:56.20babilendpkg: tell AirPlanes -about jessie sources.list
21:56.23TomTomToschbipul: it's just a kind of semaphore. you will find more if you google it.
21:56.26awal1googling sounds like the solution is put it in garbage
21:56.26babilendpkg: tell AirPlanes -about httpredir.debian.org
21:56.36LtLLinuxAndCake: apt-cache search task-gnome-desktop
21:56.41bipulTomTomTosch, Yes i am doing it
21:57.03unbornLinuxAndCake: or here https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce
21:57.21wondiwsif gvfs connect to my phone with MTP, can I still connect it using other MTP clients, like gMTP?
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21:59.05AirPlanesbabilen, thanks
21:59.06babilendpkg: show sources.list
21:59.07dpkgPlease pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list.  The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of:  head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
21:59.16babilenLinuxAndCake: Could you paste the output of ^
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22:04.29debidiawal1: can you dd to /dev/sdb ?
22:04.42debidiawal1: eg: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1
22:04.49debidiwhhat does it say
22:06.27AirPlanesanyone can help me? Qt installed is very old
22:06.58miskatonicthen install a more current version of qt?
22:07.03AirPlaneshow?
22:07.14debidiAirPlanes: switch to sid..
22:07.23AirPlaneswhat??
22:08.15debidirome was not built in 24h AirPlanes you'll figure it out
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22:08.39AirPlanes2lol
22:08.41AirPlanes2i don't want
22:08.43AirPlanes2gfto
22:08.52debidilol
22:09.00jeniaunborn: It worked adding the wpa_supplicant output to /etc/network/interfaces. But I have on more quick question: What If I want to connect to another network? Can I add multiple wpa_supplicant outputs for one interface (wpa0)?
22:09.05AirPlanes2go home
22:09.26babilenAirPlanes: You really don't want to be tracking sid (Debian unstable)
22:09.51AirPlanes2dont tell me alternatives
22:09.55AirPlanes2oh boy
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22:12.42AirPlanes2anyone?
22:12.59AirPlanes2i think debidi is arch user
22:13.01AirPlanes2someone ban him
22:13.13chaddywhat do you mean by gfto, AirPlanes2?
22:13.22AirPlanes2that he should leave
22:13.31TomTomToschstay on topic, please.
22:13.31AirPlanes2why he tell me to switch to unstable ?
22:13.38AirPlanes2thats very bad person
22:13.45AirPlanes2he want to ruin my system
22:13.54babilenAirPlanes2: Installing a new version of QT is probably impossible and *please* don't say that users should be banned for no apparent reason.
22:14.04chaddyI think you should get the f out, myself, AirPlanes2; have done for a few days
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22:14.16AirPlanes2chaddy, nah
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22:14.28AirPlanes2babilen, explain why it is impossible?
22:15.00babilenBecause QT is a massive library for which no backports exist and you'll have to use the one in Debian stable
22:15.08babilenjudd: v qt5-default
22:15.09juddPackage: qt5-default on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1; stretch: 5.6.1+dfsg-3; sid: 5.6.1+dfsg-3; experimental: 5.7.0+dfsg-3
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22:15.13debidiAirPlanes2: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/22/9d/05/229d052d7e3a5fac5f5f29e71f4c701b.gif
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22:15.29AirPlanes2debidi, im not going to visit it
22:15.34teraflopsAirPlanes2: I really cannot believe youre still alive here and not banned
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22:16.43AirPlanesdebidi, im not going to visit it
22:16.48debidixD
22:16.53AirPlanesdebidi, why don't you explain what is in their?
22:17.30debidisuch spite bro, an evil exploit is inside ofc
22:17.37AirPlanesyea
22:17.43AirPlanesmy system is windows xp
22:17.52TomTomToschwhy don't you stop spamming and stay on topic?
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22:18.00babilenjudd: v qtbase5-dev
22:18.01AirPlanesim not spamming!
22:18.02juddPackage: qtbase5-dev on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1; stretch: 5.6.1+dfsg-3; sid: 5.6.1+dfsg-3; experimental: 5.7.0+dfsg-3
22:18.05AirPlaneswhy yo guys are so rude
22:18.09AirPlanesi just want to install qt5
22:18.17AirPlanesit is installed me qt 3 creator version ;_;
22:18.25BinBasherteraflops: sorry for the late reply, I just want to primarily use my nvidia card for opengl3 but primusrun doesn't work because of my problem provided in the arch linux link, couldn't find a better fix for it anywhere... nvidia module doesn't load
22:18.43AirPlanesand qt 5.3.2 and i want 5.6 or 5.5
22:19.00babilenAirPlanes2: You can't install those versions on jessie
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22:19.31babilendebidi: As much as it might be tempting, try to stay on topic. Ta! :)
22:19.31dvsAirPlanes, There's no debian packages for that version of qt5 on jessie.
22:19.46AirPlaneswhy not???
22:20.15babilendpkg: stable
22:20.15dpkg[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.5); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable
22:20.33babilenAirPlanes: ^ + the fact that no backport exist (as I elaborated on earlier)
22:20.37miskatonicI have already installed lots of stuff from sources that have no debian package
22:20.38dvsAirPlanes, because once jessie goes stable, there are only security and bug fixes, no upgrade.
22:20.50AirPlanesi don't know what is backport
22:21.05AirPlanesnvm
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22:21.11AirPlanesso is this in many apps?
22:21.20babilen"this" ?
22:22.02TomTomToschdo you have an actual issue with it or is it just the number you don't like?
22:22.15AirPlaneswhat i don't like
22:22.21AirPlaneswow man
22:23.21debidiAirPlanes: compile from source
22:23.30jasonwcHas anyone tested the multichannel support in Samba 4.4?  Trying to decide between an upgrade to 10 Gbit NICs.  I can easy get 2 or 4 Gbit using teaming adapters with concurrent connections but LACP only gives 1 Gbit for a single transfer without multi-threading.
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22:23.41AirPlanesdebidi, but how am i going to remove a million of packages?
22:23.44AirPlanes-> of qt
22:24.01debidiAirPlanes: no need, just install ur freshly compiled qt to /usr/local
22:24.22AirPlanes<AirPlanes> do i need to remove what i have to install from  download.qt.io?
22:24.22AirPlanes<thiago> no
22:24.22AirPlanes<thiago> well, you should remove the development files
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22:25.09debidiAirPlanes: it won't automagically make the software linked against qt3 work with the new version tho..
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22:25.48AirPlanes...
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22:26.49AirPlanesI mean I don't have Qt Qucik Controls Application option..
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22:33.45AirPlaneslol
22:33.53AirPlaneshe talks and mute me..
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22:35.16awal1debidi, I have used dd ... (several options) but no luck. I also tried with hdparm -r0 /dev/sdb & sdb1 and no errors, hdparm reports that it no longuer read only  but the usb key still in fact read only & can't format it. Looks like it's protected (uefi stuff) and only the non-free Dell factory software can reverse things. Thanks for your time anyway. Usb is in garbage yet :P
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22:36.36awal18 gb it have, not really important...
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22:37.20debidiflash mem is cheap nowadays
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23:05.35jairHello there, a quick question I am trying to build a usb utility to run different applications but live.  Do you guys know of a good list of tools, it is debian capable to provide a very lean OS or bootable usb where I can select other isos or tools to run once is booted?
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23:06.24awal1Whats happen when the grub is running fine but one execute grub-install Dev/sda ?
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23:06.53awal1^/dev/sda
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23:10.03TomTomToschdo you expect that command to work differnetly based on grub working fine or not? it generates a new grub core image regardless.
23:10.21awal1I have an i386 system but I still have 300 gb disk free so I installed amd64 alongside. After copying all what I need from the i386 to amd46 partition I no longer need the i386 one. So planing to remove it and get 20 gb free space more. I believe that the grub running (handling boot) is the one installed by the amd debian installer, so I wonder if i must run grub-install /dev/sda && update-grub after removing the i386 partition if any or not
23:11.06awal1get 200 gb more free space ^
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23:12.27JordiGHThe change from iceweasel to firefox has messed with xdg-open
23:12.43JordiGHI get: Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process, or restart your system.
23:13.05JordiGHBut "firefox http://debian.org" loads correctly in a new tab.
23:13.18JordiGHAlso, clicking links on the console loads the HTML source in Emacs, wtf.
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23:14.21awal1I wont get a broken grub after removing the i386 partition . so I think I may have to run grub-install & update-grub but i dont know if it's necessary
23:14.28miskatonicso the logo of Firefox is no longer a problem for Debian?
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23:14.57awal1TomTomTosch, grub-install winll overwrite the old grub core image or will create a second one or wha
23:15.15awal1what ^
23:15.56JordiGHHuh, xdg-open works fine now.
23:15.56TomTomToschit should overwrite the old ones in /boot/grub/
23:16.35miskatonicanyways, with Mozilla's decision to trash xulrunner I will not be able to tolerate firefox much longer
23:16.52miskatonicregardless of the name
23:17.43awal1TomTomTosch, Thats what I think, and I already did it once months ago in another machine and all fine  but not really sure if grub-install overwrites the old grub core image of creates a new one ending in a conflict. no sure
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23:23.55poeticrpmanyone here with debian installed on luks?
23:24.02JordiGHYeah.
23:24.07poeticrpmpreferably those using a keyfile
23:24.16JordiGHYeah, those people exist.
23:24.26JordiGHIn here.
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23:24.49poeticrpmJordiGH, been trying for 3 days all over google and asking in here- noone responded :P
23:25.02JordiGHPeter Noone is a busy man.
23:25.17poeticrpmok.
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23:41.21iLogichey guys what’s the difference between bt-cd and iso-cd?
23:42.15babileniLogic: Download via bittorrent vs http
23:42.31iLogicbabilen: i see, thanks!
23:42.42JordiGHA good excuse to torrent boldly and without social stigma.
23:43.08iLogicalso i’m trying to download the most complete iso with non-free firmware
23:43.28JordiGHDo you need it?
23:43.38iLogicso if i go via bittorrent it would be http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0+nonfree/amd64/bt-cd/ ?
23:43.47iLogicwell at least broadcom drivers
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23:44.30karlhi, i have a problem on a jessie gnome system. something seems to replace my resolv.conf file every few minutes
23:44.36karland i cant find out what is doing that
23:44.44JordiGHIt's not network-manager?
23:44.59karlno, journalctl -u NetworkManager does not show any activity
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23:45.40karlits really super annoying
23:46.03karli tried to audit /etc/resolv.conf but that does not give me any information
23:46.13karli have to add the nameservers manually every few minutes
23:47.18karlwhat else could be changing /etc/resolv.conf ?
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23:48.02iLogicJordiGH: i could make a bootable usb with the complete dvd image and then just add a folder with the firmware later, right?
23:48.29n00b13karl: are you running systemd?
23:48.45karlyes, but i think i have disabled networkd
23:49.13karlhow would i check ?
23:50.18debidiAirPlanes: "arch user" what are you speaking of ??
23:50.18n00b13karl:had the same issue yesterday :-D
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23:50.58karlhow did you solve ?
23:52.09n00b13karl:  # while true; do echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf ; done  <---- and solved :D
23:52.38jmcnaughthmmm... that isn't a good way
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23:53.09karlhow can i find out who is changing resolv.conf ?
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23:53.33jmcnaughtkarl: does resolv.conf say what made it?
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23:54.02jmcnaughtkarl: are you using resolvconf?
23:54.05karlnope, the #created by network-manager line is missing
23:54.37markybobprobably because you just overwrote it :P
23:54.54karlno, i keep adding a line with my nameserver....
23:55.27markybobyou did > . not >>. that's not adding
23:55.49debidinoodle: @ least add a sleep 60 or something to that loop
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23:55.57karlit might have something to do with ipv6. my resolv.conf file now contains only one entry and thats the ipv6 of my router
23:56.05noodle?
23:56.15jmcnaughtkarl: if you run "journalctl -f" can you see anything trying to change it?
23:56.22karlstill, its not network-manager that is maniplulating the file
23:57.01Daggerkarl: might be rdnssd (in which case I made things better by installing resolvconf)
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23:57.43karlrdnssd is installed
23:57.58karland running
23:58.12jmcnaughtkarl: what does resolv.conf get replaced with by the way?
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23:58.32karlcurrently one single line with "nameserver ipv6ofrouter"

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