| 00:00.14 | noodle | fuck rdnssd |
| 00:00.23 | noodle | apt-get purge |
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| 00:01.14 | karl | i just stopped rdnssd, now waiting.... |
| 00:01.33 | LinuxAndCake_ | Hello, I have a linux computer, with no internet, (wifi is up, but needs verication, and I have no web browsing software and it is a shell-only at the moment |
| 00:01.48 | LinuxAndCake_ | Any ideas to get gnome installed on it? |
| 00:02.05 | awal1 | iLogic, the non-free iso (iso with non-free firmwares) is the same as the netint but it contains non-free stuff |
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| 00:02.47 | awal1 | installation needs access to wired/wifi |
| 00:02.48 | jmcnaught | LinuxAndCake_: "wifi is up, but needs verication" ? |
| 00:03.16 | LinuxAndCake_ | You know those public networks that you need to sign in to? that is currently my only option, and ethernet is broken.. I broke it accidentlly.. |
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| 00:05.03 | LinuxAndCake_ | I have another computer, and a windows HDD, anyone know if I could put a desktop enviorment on it that way? |
| 00:05.09 | LinuxAndCake_ | (with the HDD out) |
| 00:05.12 | jmcnaught | LinuxAndCake_: if you can connect to that you can install gnome from a network mirror |
| 00:05.33 | jmcnaught | LinuxAndCake_: how is the windows computer connected? |
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| 00:05.44 | LinuxAndCake_ | Not being the issue |
| 00:06.06 | LinuxAndCake_ | (and a flash drive which I could actually use) |
| 00:06.56 | jmcnaught | !cd contents |
| 00:06.56 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/). |
| 00:07.27 | jmcnaught | LinuxAndCake_: you could use the above to figure out which CD the gnome packages are on, download the ISO and mount it on the linux computer. |
| 00:07.34 | karl | stopping rdnssd seems to have done the trick ! |
| 00:07.44 | karl | can i safely purge it ? |
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| 00:08.30 | jmcnaught | LinuxAndCake_: or connect the linux computer to the internet and use a network mirror |
| 00:09.05 | iLogic | awal1: if i were to install from the dvd image the firmware would have to be installed afterwards or via second usb drive, right? |
| 00:09.17 | LinuxAndCake_ | The network issue is the problem.. I can't login to the wifi, (it is like that coffe shop wifi you need to login to |
| 00:09.32 | LinuxAndCake_ | And I broke the ethernet port whilst switching the HDD out |
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| 00:10.16 | jmcnaught | LinuxAndCake_: login how, with a web browser? you could try with w3m if you're stuck without X |
| 00:10.45 | awal1 | iLogic, if your machine needs non free firmware only unofficial cd image contains the nonfree firmwares |
| 00:10.59 | karl | ok, thanks for the hint with rdnssd, purging it seems to have resolved the problem. :) |
| 00:11.11 | karl | cheers and good night ! 2am ... |
| 00:11.17 | awal1 | other cd's & dvd's doesn't include non-free stuff, iLogic |
| 00:11.45 | n00b13 | karl: http://bit.ly/29IiNM3 should help |
| 00:12.58 | awal1 | iLogic, unofficial doesn't mean it's not an official debian image; it is an official image, just called like that bcoz of debian rules. so use that if you need non free stuff |
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| 00:13.49 | jmcnaught | it's not the official installer, but it's provided by the Debian project to make things easier for users that need it |
| 00:14.52 | awal1 | not sure if DD's working on the official installer are the sames making the unofficial... |
| 00:15.36 | awal1 | probably yes |
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| 00:29.09 | n00b13 | karl: and no rdnssd at all |
| 00:29.11 | n00b13 | # echo $(dpkg -l|grep -E "(dns|systemd)" | cut -d" " -f2-5 ) |
| 00:29.13 | n00b13 | dh-systemd dns-root-data dnsmasq-base dnsutils libdns-export100 libdns-export162 libdns100 libdns162:amd64 libnet-dns-perl libnss-mdns:amd64 libpam-systemd:amd64 libsystemd0:amd64 libsystemd0:i386 python3-systemd systemd systemd-container systemd-shim systemd-sysv |
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| 00:32.45 | awal1 | iLogic, also tthere are a live+ non-free iso cd's (I dont knew that before :P) |
| 00:33.03 | iLogic | awal1: whereâs dat? |
| 00:34.33 | awal1 | iLogic, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0-live+nonfree/ |
| 00:34.53 | iLogic | oh thatâs what iâm trying, no dice though |
| 00:35.09 | iLogic | oh no wait.. |
| 00:35.12 | iLogic | thanks a lot bro! |
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| 01:12.41 | iLogic | if i install debian 8.0 it can be upgraded to 8.5 via aptitude full-upgrade right? |
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| 01:16.28 | awal1 | iLogic, why 8.0.0 if you have the 8.5? |
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| 01:17.07 | iLogic | awal1: actually 8.1, didnt know i had it on a pendrive before.. |
| 01:17.26 | awal1 | but yes, that's obvious with 8.0 then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade or apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:17.47 | awal1 | or apt update && apt full-upgrade |
| 01:18.10 | iLogic | do aptitude, apt-get and apt have any difference? |
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| 01:19.10 | tokage | Why does somebody named apt go into debian?^^ |
| 01:19.26 | iLogic | to package manage? |
| 01:19.28 | tokage | #debian |
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| 01:20.31 | awal1 | iLogic, I suggest you to use only apt-get or aptitude and dont mixt. until you are more familiar with them. with stable (jessie), things still a bit as in the old way; aptitude still "conflicting" with apt removing and fixing stuff. with stretch , all coexist smoothly |
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| 01:23.33 | awal1 | conflicting is not really the convenient word but people familiar with debian knows about what I'm talking |
| 01:24.09 | iLogic | aptitude it is then :) |
| 01:24.56 | awal1 | apt-get is almost the standard right now, if i can say that :P |
| 01:25.37 | awal1 | tokage, apt go to debian? |
| 01:25.58 | iLogic | i thought aptitude was superior |
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| 01:26.01 | markybob | apt in stretch is great. jessie not so much |
| 01:26.07 | apt | markybob: okay |
| 01:26.07 | tokage | awal1: he gets highlighted all the time :P |
| 01:26.22 | tokage | Hey apt :D |
| 01:26.48 | markybob | it's a mix between apt-cache and apt-get, basically. pretty nice. |
| 01:27.18 | iLogic | so in jessie apt-get? |
| 01:28.32 | markybob | jessie has apt (which is different than apt-get). just doesn't have as many features like it's stretch sister |
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| 01:29.20 | awal1 | iLogic, use them all and with time you will find out what makes one different from another |
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| 01:29.48 | iLogic | got it |
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| 01:30.42 | Coolternet | hi guys |
| 01:30.58 | Coolternet | Anyone know how to fin process if exist ? |
| 01:31.05 | awal1 | iLogic, non english spoken here, so I cant express all what I want correctly, sorry |
| 01:31.57 | Coolternet | I have VirtualBox installed and i need to see if a process with --comment <machine name> exist... How ? |
| 01:32.00 | iLogic | awal1: you canadian? |
| 01:32.29 | awal1 | iLogic, living in Canada yeah, but I'm berber |
| 01:32.40 | Coolternet | Im canadian too :) |
| 01:32.47 | Coolternet | from Québec :) |
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| 01:33.04 | iLogic | awal1: your alphabet is amazing |
| 01:33.27 | awal1 | iLogic, :) |
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| 01:35.09 | awal1 | Coolternic, you have a lot of system monitoring tools. also ps and similar utilities |
| 01:35.28 | Coolternet | im in command line :) |
| 01:35.37 | Coolternet | it'.s for my PhP Script |
| 01:35.54 | awal1 | man ps |
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| 01:37.10 | awal1 | easiest htop + f3 search word, top + L search word, etc |
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| 04:05.46 | mladoux | Watching Mr. Robot... he runs Debian!!! XD |
| 04:06.42 | polyzen | !kick mladoux mufuckin' spoilers |
| 04:06.42 | dpkg | kicks mladoux mufuckin' spoilers in the ass. |
| 04:07.46 | mladoux | I'm not telling you what happens |
| 04:08.01 | mladoux | just that his computer runs debian. |
| 04:08.14 | mladoux | if you want to know what he's doing with debian, you'll just have to watch the show. |
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| 04:08.55 | mladoux | I was just shocked that a primetime shows a linux other than Ubuntu or Fedora. |
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| 04:09.40 | polyzen | wonders if someone in here knew about this before the ep "aired" |
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| 04:19.40 | mladoux | polyzen, probably only the writers, as this is the first episode where they showed anything that indicated a particular distro. |
| 04:20.16 | polyzen | I imagine they had to ask Debian for permission /shrug |
| 04:20.44 | mladoux | polyzen, no idea, I'm pretty sure the GPL would allow them to do that without asking. |
| 04:21.03 | mladoux | but, of course, i'm no lawyer |
| 04:21.17 | polyzen | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 04:45.51 | polyzen | Hack the Gibson |
| 04:51.30 | Coolternet | guys i need some help here |
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| 04:52.17 | Coolternet | when i use (ps aux | grep '971ad205-ed7a-45d1-92fd-b43346ee2eca') i have a result : (grep '971ad205-ed7a-45d1-92fd-b43346ee2eca') |
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| 05:13.41 | Zliba | i asked this before but my log file seems to have disintegrated -- how do I control the fan speed, or shut certain fans off? I've got a HP GL380 G5 and I want to turn off the hard drive fans / slow down the other fans |
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| 05:15.34 | Zliba | oh fancontrol |
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| 05:23.52 | Zliba | nah it says "there are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed" |
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| 05:34.52 | vook | Zliba: have you checked in the bios? They could be set to max speed rather than auto |
| 05:36.44 | vook | I've dealt with that before on dl380's, I seem to remember needing to install firmware or something of the like. |
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| 06:51.32 | boser | Heelo, i hav a little problem. My configuration is: 2 PC over a switch connecte to 1 monitor, 1 keyboard and 1 mouse. i use debian 8.5 with cinnemon as DE. Now, when i switch to the second pc and der first one run into the screensaver, than he lost the resolution and go into a 800x600 resolution. Normaly i use 1920x7___ resolution. I hab a V7-2733 monitor. Can somebody give me a tipp? |
| 06:51.51 | boser | s/Heelo/Hello |
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| 06:52.53 | somiaj | boser: it might not be able to detect the edid of the monintor if the switch is not selected when it boots. The options I know of are to either configure xorg.conf to the resolution you want, or you can get a copy of the edid of the monintor and tell xorg to use that and then it will detect the resolutions correctly |
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| 06:54.34 | boser | during the boot, i have the correct connecting. but during the two pc are running, i have the problem. |
| 06:56.07 | somiaj | wonder if something is running that detects the mointor change, maybe giving it the edit would help with this |
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| 07:17.13 | Neobenedict_ | whats a good simple ftp server I can install? |
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| 07:21.20 | ChrisH | Neobenedict_: aptitude search ftpd will show tons of them. But do you really want to install FTPd? |
| 07:21.54 | Neobenedict_ | is FTPS and SFTP the same thing? |
| 07:22.13 | somiaj | Neobenedict_: no |
| 07:22.29 | somiaj | Neobenedict_: I would suggest sftp over ssh though. |
| 07:22.29 | Neobenedict_ | then i have to, as this android app only supports FTP and FTPS. sad days :( |
| 07:22.31 | ChrisH | Neobenedict_: no. sftp uses ssh/port 22 and ftps is a weird half-encryptrd stuff |
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| 07:23.19 | ChrisH | Neobenedict_: then use ftps, there at least the credentials are crypted.... or better get another app or have the vendor make it secure |
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| 07:29.19 | sumi | hello |
| 07:29.23 | ChrisH | Neobenedict_: you can ask the bot about the other things using /msg dpkg ftp must die |
| 07:29.36 | Neobenedict_ | thanks |
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| 07:30.13 | pujan14 | Hi, today I did apt-get dist-upgrade and that said it will install some new packages, I stopped it and then did apt-get upgrade it completed normally but now when I do apt-get dist-upgrade I don't see any updates. Can some one explain to me why? |
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| 07:44.57 | Neobenedict_ | if I symlink /x/y/z/ to /www/z/, in my browser could I do site/z/../ to access the y directory? |
| 07:45.01 | Neobenedict_ | hopefully that makes sense |
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| 07:45.21 | Neobenedict_ | i found a way not to use ftp btw :P |
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| 07:46.56 | shodan` | Hey, I was wondering what the preseed command equivalent for `network-console/authorized_keys_url` for the newly created user would be? |
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| 07:50.17 | babilen | shodan`: That is part of the preseed file?! |
| 07:50.35 | babilen | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/example-preseed.txt â Network console |
| 07:50.50 | shodan` | babilen: that's for the network console, if you want to proceed manually |
| 07:51.04 | babilen | Indeed |
| 07:51.27 | babilen | So, the equivalent of "network-console/authorized_keys_url" in the preseed file is, well, "network-console/authorized_keys_url" |
| 07:51.39 | shodan` | I want to seed the `.ssh/authorized_keys` file for the newly created user |
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| 07:52.04 | shodan` | That will seed the newly created user's authorized_keys? |
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| 07:53.14 | babilen | Not sure if you can do that via preseeding, but it should be trivial to write a script that does it and that you call at the end (cf. preseed/late_command) |
| 07:53.36 | babilen | Also look into tools such as cloud-init or OpenNebula's "contextualisation" feature. |
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| 07:55.14 | shodan` | Yeah, I was thinking of using late_command but I'd rather do it using a preseed command if that was possible |
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| 08:41.11 | vlt | Hello. We switched to Debian on the desktop recently but because our users complain about Icedove constantly crashing I installed evolution. When I try to run it I get "Unable to find suitable fbconfig for the GLX context: Failed to find any compatible fbconfigs". This is on MATE desktop via an x2go client (also Debian 8). Any idea how to fix this? |
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| 08:47.05 | jorgesanjuan | vlt, I had some problems with Icedove as well in. Specifically I couldn't apply the settings (I wanted plain text but the ok button was never working). I use mozilla zuntherbird (which looks pretty much the same as icedove) and it works ok on my Debian laptop. |
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| 08:55.09 | vlt | jorgesanjuan: Icedove _is_ basically Thunderbird. Debian had to use a different name for some weird legal reasons. |
| 08:55.15 | RebelCoderW | Guys, is code of application reviewed on Debian side at all ? I mean, just as an example, If I use some E-Mail client, how can I be sure it is "clean" and not forwarding my mail to someone? Or do users have to review the code themself ? |
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| 08:56.03 | vlt | jorgesanjuan: Did you install Thunderbird manually or is there a package in the official repos? |
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| 08:57.12 | miskatonic | can thunderbird be compiled from mozilla's source repository? |
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| 09:00.02 | vlt | RebelCoderW: The packages you install from the official repositories are signed. You donât have to check every download yourself. For the software itself you have to trust the community of users and developers (as you have to with the whole OS). Something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_number_generator_attack#Debian_OpenSSL is still possible. |
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| 09:03.21 | jorgesanjuan | vlt, IRC, i added the mozilla repo (deb http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/ubuntuzilla/mozilla/apt all main |
| 09:03.21 | jorgesanjuan | ) in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntuzilla.list |
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| 09:04.04 | vlt | jorgesanjuan: Ok, thanks. |
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| 09:07.52 | jorgesanjuan | This is a bit more detailed vlt. (http://tristan.lt/blog/firefox-and-thunderbird-on-debian-jessie/) :) |
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| 09:12.37 | Knaldgas | Suddenly my libreoffice wont start - Small window saying "The application cannot be started. Exception Manager: exception in synchronize". Worked in 5.1.3, but failing after upgrading to 5.1.4 (Debian Stretch) |
| 09:12.40 | Knaldgas | starting it from root works fine. Removing the user profile from ordinary user does not work |
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| 09:17.41 | lelu | Hi all, how would I go about submitting an ITP for https://github.com/icholy/ttygif ? |
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| 09:26.56 | RebelCoderW | vlt: Got it! |
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| 09:27.25 | RebelCoderW | But signed, means code has been reviewed by comminity member ? |
| 09:29.31 | vlt | RebelCoderW: Iâm not an expert but I think there are maintainers for each package and they sign them using the Debian key. |
| 09:30.20 | RebelCoderW | sign with a key != dp a cope review |
| 09:30.27 | RebelCoderW | *do |
| 09:30.32 | RebelCoderW | Ok. I will figure this oput |
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| 10:02.46 | petn-randall | RebelCoderW: The source of all code going to the end user is pretty well documented, and secured by signing of code in several steps. If someone would put a backdoor in your mail client, the author of this backdoor would be pretty clear pretty fast. |
| 10:03.46 | RebelCoderW | petn-randall: that sounds very good and is a clear explanation! thank you ! |
| 10:03.58 | petn-randall | RebelCoderW: The other thing is that you can download the corresponding source code, and do a reproducible build. Meaning that you can verify that the package you build yourself is the same as the one from the repository, so nobody can sneak in a backdoor without putting it in the source code. |
| 10:04.21 | RebelCoderW | OK. got it ! |
| 10:04.56 | petn-randall | RebelCoderW: While not *all* source code is reviewed all the time, this makes a backdoor scenario more and more unlikely. The more likely way to be compromised nowadays is by running unpatched software. |
| 10:05.16 | petn-randall | * reviewed all the time by Debian developers |
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| 10:05.30 | petn-randall | The code is usually reviewed by several people in the upstream project. |
| 10:06.15 | RebelCoderW | Nice. So NOT using packages, that are not in official repos is a good idea. |
| 10:06.25 | RebelCoderW | Ok. I Understand now. |
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| 10:07.58 | petn-randall | RebelCoderW: Indeed. 3rd party repos are kind of a gamble. Some can be good, but many are below Debian quality. And effectively you're trusting a repo with root access to your machine when you install packages, as the pre-installation and post-installation scripts run as root. |
| 10:09.18 | RebelCoderW | petn-randall: good. Will keep all of that in mind now |
| 10:09.26 | RebelCoderW | thanks again |
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| 10:53.30 | ciobi | Hello ...i have a server whit debian 7 OS ...is there any way to hide the ports ? |
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| 11:00.56 | vlt | ciobi: What is not âhiddenâ now and how is is supposed to look when it is? |
| 11:01.20 | vlt | ciobi: Whatâs your goal here? |
| 11:01.28 | afernandez_ | Can anyone explain this? I do not get it : echo '1 2 3 4 5 6'| while read a b c; do echo result: $c $b $a;done the result is: result: 3 4 5 6 2 1 |
| 11:01.31 | afernandez_ | Thank you |
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| 11:04.02 | ciobi | Nmap myip and at the end of nmaps/scan all available ports are showned |
| 11:04.36 | ciobi | I would like to mask that and hide that |
| 11:04.54 | armin | afernandez_: it should become more clear if you try this: echo '1 2 3 4 5 6'| while read a b c; do echo $c; done |
| 11:05.16 | vlt | afernandez_: $a = 1, $b = 2, $c = 3 4 5 6 |
| 11:05.26 | armin | what vlt said. |
| 11:05.36 | afernandez_ | Thank you!!! |
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| 11:06.29 | afernandez_ | Y $c is 3 numbers and abc is only one each? |
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| 11:07.54 | afernandez_ | a, b I meant |
| 11:08.03 | vlt | afernandez_: Thatâs how this works. |
| 11:08.40 | afernandez_ | hmmm |
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| 11:15.36 | vlt | ciobi: Obvious answer: close the ports. Donât run services on these ports. |
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| 11:17.33 | vlt | ciobi: For more complicated answers youâd need to give more details about your setup. |
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| 11:18.31 | ciobi | Yeah ...sorry for that :) |
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| 11:31.30 | ByteStorm | how can i prevent my debian screen from going to sleep??? |
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| 11:32.04 | qmr | try wiggling your mouse about |
| 11:32.15 | ByteStorm | no,a permanent solution |
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| 11:35.09 | fredl | I seem to be having some problems getting my box to recognize the microphone in my logitech webcam |
| 11:35.34 | ByteStorm | there is no way to stop the screensaver ? |
| 11:36.48 | fredl | of course there is Bytestorm |
| 11:37.12 | ByteStorm | how fredl,can you pls tell me....bsides wriggling mouse |
| 11:37.24 | petn-randall | ByteStorm: Configure your screensaver to not turn on. |
| 11:37.37 | ByteStorm | in Settings menu? |
| 11:37.49 | petn-randall | ByteStorm: Depending on your desktop environment, there are several ways to do that. |
| 11:38.05 | petn-randall | ByteStorm: Probably, yes. |
| 11:38.05 | ByteStorm | yes im on Gnome |
| 11:38.10 | fredl | well I don't know for sure yet as I just reverted back from Mate to Gnome Shell |
| 11:38.22 | han-solo | Xorg? |
| 11:38.33 | fredl | and as I say 'of course there is' I find myself looking for it too |
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| 11:39.39 | fredl | of course there were good reasons to want to switch to Mate |
| 11:41.19 | ByteStorm | can anyone tell me where in Settings of Gnome?? |
| 11:42.31 | fredl | well I have to tell you I'm looking for it as well myself |
| 11:42.53 | fredl | I'm not sure how even something so relatively trivial can be hidden from plain sight by Gnome |
| 11:43.06 | ByteStorm | yeah |
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| 11:44.30 | fredl | https://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/10/has-gnome-3-decided-that-people-shouldnt-want-screen-savers/ |
| 11:44.43 | fredl | haha |
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| 11:44.46 | fredl | 'Is this really true? Because it sounds too crazy to be true, even for Gnome.' |
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| 11:45.53 | fredl | has Gnome 3 been infiltrated by Microsoft's embrace and extend taskforce? |
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| 11:46.35 | abrotman | ByteStorm: which settings? There is also the gnome-tweak-tool |
| 11:46.56 | ByteStorm | yeah...i mean the Settings app |
| 11:47.03 | teraflops | fredl: a post from 2011 from the reliable loljwz.org looks pretty accurate if you ask me </sarcasm> |
| 11:47.08 | ByteStorm | the one with the tools on it |
| 11:47.33 | ByteStorm | srry will check tht too |
| 11:47.37 | fredl | loljwz? |
| 11:47.48 | teraflops | lolwhatever |
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| 11:51.29 | ByteStorm | abrotman: can you tell me where is the screensaver option? in the tweak tools |
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| 11:53.03 | fredl | maybe this one's better teraflops? https://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/04/i-told-you-so-again/ |
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| 11:54.06 | fredl | anyway sorry this is #debian, not #gnomebitching |
| 11:54.33 | ByteStorm | searching for screensaver in the search tab didnt help too |
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| 11:56.20 | fredl | ByteStorm, apt-get install xscreensaver xscreensaver-gl-extra xscreensaver-data-extra |
| 11:56.21 | ByteStorm | yeah theres a extension for tht |
| 11:56.31 | ByteStorm | a gnome extension |
| 11:56.44 | fredl | then you can just type 'xscreensaver' |
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| 11:57.33 | ByteStorm | is tht an Xorg app? |
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| 11:59.45 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello great guys , i have a litle trouble here and need some help? please , i'm using stretch at some time time i use kde desktop and at last week my left click menus disapear what is happening ? |
| 12:01.26 | ByteStorm | now i need to do some git and install |
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| 12:02.36 | ByteStorm | how do i restart the gnome shell??? |
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| 12:03.57 | Citizen1 | restart lightdm by /etc/init.d/lightdm restart |
| 12:04.01 | Citizen1 | in root |
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| 12:04.19 | fredl | systemctl restart gdm? |
| 12:04.28 | ByteStorm | ok |
| 12:05.08 | fredl | but systemctl.... well let me not go there |
| 12:05.10 | Citizen1 | he has do it |
| 12:05.28 | fredl | before I get some snarky lolinit remark |
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| 12:08.29 | MaBunny | its installed now |
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| 12:12.49 | abrotman | guess he found it .. |
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| 12:13.57 | teraflops | fredl: that post is not serious, you better read man xscreensaver, also https://ptpb.pw/9itw.webm |
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| 12:16.54 | wewlad | ello, debs. 'apt-get upgrade' results into 'E: Broken packages' because it says that wine-development (which I have installed from a different repo) has unmet dependencies. How to resolve this conflict? |
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| 12:20.37 | teraflops | wewlad: not mixing repos⦠|
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| 12:21.46 | wewlad | teraflops: is it bad? I thought apt can work fine with multiple repos |
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| 12:22.07 | bezaban | as long as they're all debian repos for the same version it should be fine |
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| 12:24.57 | wewlad | main debian repo has outdated wine, are you saying that if I want fresher wine I have to live with that error that apt-get gives me? |
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| 12:25.33 | teraflops | wewlad: so are you in jessie and the wine dev pulls from jessie-backports too? |
| 12:26.35 | wewlad | teraflops: yeah |
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| 12:28.19 | MaBunny | guys anyone knos how to install this: https://github.com/neumann89/ShutdownTimer |
| 12:29.17 | MaBunny | from hewre: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/792/shutdowntimer/ |
| 12:29.24 | teraflops | no idea then, perhaps the development bit implies sometimes it breaks, or just wait till they fix it |
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| 12:30.01 | MaBunny | lool |
| 12:30.16 | MaBunny | teraflops: to me? |
| 12:30.35 | teraflops | oh I had that guy in the ignore list ;) |
| 12:30.42 | MaBunny | ? |
| 12:30.46 | teraflops | MaBunny: nope sorry, to wewlad |
| 12:31.00 | MaBunny | well tht guy was having his luck tested |
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| 12:31.12 | teraflops | i just saw the kick ^ |
| 12:31.27 | MaBunny | how do i build a javascript source code |
| 12:32.53 | ByteStorm | anyone has an idea??? |
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| 12:33.29 | petn-randall | ByteStorm: Have you checked the README accompanying the source code? |
| 12:33.47 | ByteStorm | yes i checked ShutdownTimers readme |
| 12:34.07 | ByteStorm | i actually hav downloaded it on my disk |
| 12:34.16 | ByteStorm | https://github.com/neumann89/ShutdownTimer/blob/master/README.md |
| 12:34.25 | petn-randall | ByteStorm: And does it say you have to build it? |
| 12:34.31 | ByteStorm | theres no compilation steps provided |
| 12:34.42 | ByteStorm | no it doesnt petn-randall |
| 12:35.09 | Citizen1 | use systemd -h to use a timer no ? |
| 12:35.30 | petn-randall | ByteStorm: I'd check the documentation for gnome extensions, I think you just have to drop those file into a certain dir on your filesystem. |
| 12:35.36 | Citizen1 | to execute js code u havent to compile use javaws |
| 12:35.49 | Citizen1 | im playing i dont check the github |
| 12:36.08 | ByteStorm | well....i dont kno how to use systemd command,and it did be a overkill to learn it now |
| 12:36.20 | ByteStorm | im just looking for some simple solutions :) |
| 12:36.36 | ByteStorm | petn-randall: which folder? |
| 12:36.55 | Citizen1 | the simple its use the debian logiciels :) |
| 12:37.46 | ByteStorm | yes,but i havent still learned a lotta commands,and systemd is for sysAdmins right? |
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| 12:37.49 | wewlad | teraflops: I doubt it has actually anything to do with broken repo/package. |
| 12:37.49 | petn-randall | ByteStorm: You have to look at the gnome extensions docs yourself, I don't use it. |
| 12:38.06 | ByteStorm | ok petn-randall |
| 12:38.29 | wewlad | 'apt-cache policy wine-development suggests this: http://paste.debian.net/780386/ |
| 12:38.35 | petn-randall | ByteStorm: But I'm sure it's pretty straight-forward, since gnome has a very simple interface. |
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| 12:38.42 | ByteStorm | ok |
| 12:39.09 | ByteStorm | ill check their irc channels |
| 12:39.18 | Citizen1 | man systemd |
| 12:39.28 | Citizen1 | but to shutdown use systemd -h |
| 12:39.37 | petn-randall | Citizen1: systemd has little to do with it if you're looking for a GUI to set a shutdown timer. |
| 12:40.33 | petn-randall | But if you want to do it via the command line as root, there's the 'shutdown' command which takes a time parameter. |
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| 12:41.19 | boser | !weather 93051 |
| 12:41.19 | digilink | Invalid query. Try again. |
| 12:41.27 | dpkg | I can't find station code "93051" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
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| 12:41.48 | Citizen1 | sorry i was thinking to shutdown not systemd d |
| 12:41.50 | Citizen1 | ^^ |
| 12:41.57 | Citizen1 | shutdown -h XX:XX |
| 12:43.31 | Citizen1 | i found this https://debian-administration.org/article/89/Shutting_down_your_Debian_machine_cleanly |
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| 12:44.09 | boser | !weather 10776 |
| 12:44.10 | digilink | Invalid query. Try again. |
| 12:44.17 | dpkg | I can't find station code "10776" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 12:44.30 | Citizen1 | ByteStorm : the most simple is use the terminal and learn commands when u use it ( not at the start ) but its the simple because with that u can do what do u want on each machines without soft or others |
| 12:44.56 | Citizen1 | sry bad english ^^ |
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| 12:46.01 | ByteStorm | i dont want to use systemd,but i did be ok with shutdown...i heard of it,but nvr oif the timer part |
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| 12:47.37 | Citizen1 | u can use the -h to tell time in this format HH:MM |
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| 12:48.07 | petn-randall | !u |
| 12:48.07 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 12:48.37 | Citizen1 | sorry guys |
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| 12:48.49 | petn-randall | hehe, no worries :) |
| 12:48.50 | Citizen1 | you can use the -h option :) |
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| 12:56.34 | wewlad | Does anyone know how to update a specific package from a specific repo if that package is listed in multiple repos? |
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| 12:57.53 | iLogic | Hey guys, iâm trying to install debian 8.5 (version livecd + non free) but I canât get the wifi (broadcom bcm4312, thus the non free firmware) to work inside the installer. If connect via the xfce network utility before install, the installer is able to join the network but in the process the utility drops it and afterwards the installer fails to get an ip via dhcp. If donât connect via utility first, the installer simply hangs until timeout tryin |
| 12:57.54 | iLogic | connect wth the AP. Any ideas? |
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| 12:58.21 | petn-randall | wewlad: apt-get install foo/otherrepo |
| 12:58.43 | petn-randall | wewlad: You just have to find the right code name that repo has with 'apt-get policy foo'. |
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| 12:58.50 | teraflops | iLogic: which authen method uses your ap? |
| 12:59.03 | iLogic | teraflops: wpa2 |
| 12:59.10 | wewlad | petn-randall: 'apt-cahce policy'? |
| 12:59.11 | armin | "Debian is now run as if popularity is more important than correctness." (reddit) |
| 12:59.27 | iLogic | teraflops: *personal |
| 12:59.29 | teraflops | iLogic: also switch to another tty and see the logs |
| 12:59.46 | iLogic | teraflops: /var/log? |
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| 13:00.06 | teraflops | are you in the installer? |
| 13:00.20 | ByteStorm | Citizen1: do i hav to use shutdown with su? |
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| 13:01.37 | petn-randall | wewlad: sorry, yes, 'apt-cache policy foo'. |
| 13:01.55 | iLogic | teraflops: starting it right now |
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| 13:02.07 | teraflops | iLogic: just crtl+alt+f* idk which tty number exactly is, but iirc there's one spammed with installation logs |
| 13:02.08 | petn-randall | armin: There is both source and context missing. |
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| 13:02.34 | armin | petn-randall: https://m.reddit.com/r/unix/comments/4qrdl8/linux_vs_bsd_what_where_why_now/ |
| 13:02.38 | teraflops | iLogic: also maybe related to your wireless nick lacking proper firmware |
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| 13:02.51 | armin | petn-randall: that statement appears to be true even without context, though. |
| 13:03.36 | petn-randall | armin: That discussion is better suited for #debian-offtopic, as this is the support channel. |
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| 13:04.05 | iLogic | teraflops: you mean the debian drivers or the router's? |
| 13:04.50 | teraflops | nope, drivers/firmware on the installer, for your wireless nic |
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| 13:05.25 | tomreyn | iLogic: read this if you haven't https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43_and_b43legacy |
| 13:05.52 | iLogic | teraflops: iâm used with them just working before (on this same machine) |
| 13:06.07 | armin | petn-randall: true, i'm happy to discuss source and context over there if you feel like. thanks for pointing that out. |
| 13:06.09 | teraflops | iLogic: oh sorry I missed your description of the issue above (sorry im on a relay) |
| 13:06.31 | iLogic | with the b43/ucode15.fw driver |
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| 13:07.09 | armin | iLogic: are you using the "unofficial" installation images that contain the non-free firmware files? |
| 13:07.14 | iLogic | yup armin |
| 13:07.23 | armin | iLogic: still no dice using those? |
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| 13:07.29 | iLogic | yeah :( |
| 13:07.44 | teraflops | iLogic: appart from that, do you see any clue from the logs? |
| 13:07.56 | iLogic | iâm gonna try it again now, hold on |
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| 13:08.29 | teraflops | iLogic: just crtl+alt+f{2,3,4,5â¦} till you see text spamming the tty |
| 13:08.57 | iLogic | btw iâm doing the live graphical installer, when I try the regular old school it just asks for b43/ucode15.fw and b43-open drivers (which I was used to provide via another usb stick but wanted something a little more practical) |
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| 13:09.50 | teraflops | iLogic: oh I always do expert install or just deboostrap, so no idea about that |
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| 13:10.37 | petn-randall | iLogic: Oh, you have a b43 device. That case is pickly. Because their license prevents distribution, they're not on the non-free installer (IIRC). My suggestion would be to temporarily use the wired connection for installation, then just install the b43 firmware cutter afterwards. |
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| 13:10.39 | teraflops | hmm live graphical installer means install iso or debian live iso? |
| 13:12.16 | teraflops | iLogic: looks like your last message fits with what petn-randall pointed |
| 13:12.17 | iLogic | teraflops: debian live iso, otherwise the drivers arent detected/installed |
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| 13:13.06 | teraflops | iLogic: oh I never used the debian live iso, no idea sorry |
| 13:13.30 | iLogic | petn-randall: iâve done that way, also used another usb stick to load the drivers.. but i was aiming for less dependant way (specially cause the router sits in an inconveninent place) |
| 13:13.42 | iLogic | teraflops: iâll try the expert install |
| 13:13.52 | iLogic | also been looking at the dmesg logs |
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| 13:14.12 | iLogic | thereâs a line that says âDFS Master region: unsetâ |
| 13:14.13 | teraflops | something relevant? like unable to load fw or whatever? |
| 13:14.19 | iLogic | the rest dont look problematic |
| 13:14.25 | iLogic | just link up and then down |
| 13:14.38 | teraflops | iLogic: well bcm is a nightmare |
| 13:14.44 | nokt | Q >>> I have two computers on my LAN ('A' and 'B'), 'A' acts as a Samba server... I've setup a Samba user account on 'A' but I'm confused on how to allow access to a specific user on a different client ('B' in this case), to avoid guests browsing files on 'A'. |
| 13:14.44 | petn-randall | iLogic: I think the problem is that the vendor has a windows-only .msi to download, and you need the tools to cut the firmware out of it. I don't think the installer has the tools in there, but I might be wrong. |
| 13:14.51 | nokt | I can log-in from 'B' to 'A' using smbclient, but I'd like to have the shared folder mounted and logged in automatically to a specific user of 'B' (root could be the case) |
| 13:15.08 | iLogic | teraflops: indeed.. i gave up trying to make it work on freebsd also |
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| 13:16.27 | han-solo | when does ping retun "No buffer space available"? |
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| 13:16.35 | iLogic | petn-randall: seems reasonable, but wouldnt the installer use the same scripts/files then those used later post-install (when it works)? |
| 13:16.41 | teraflops | iLogic: what about getting the fw via live debian iso, putting the stuff you need in a usb stick and then installing the old way you did before? |
| 13:17.08 | iLogic | also has a line that says âERROR @wl_notify_scan_status : wlan0 Scan_results error (-22) |
| 13:17.56 | iLogic | teraflops: i guess itâs there since the xfce network utility connects just fine and I can ping around |
| 13:18.11 | petn-randall | iLogic: I'm 80% sure that the installer simply doesn't have the right tools on the image, because the dependencies are quite large. |
| 13:19.04 | iLogic | petn-randall: but isnât the install wrapped by the non-official team? |
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| 13:19.16 | iLogic | makes sense though |
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| 13:19.35 | petn-randall | iLogic: Ah, scratch that, it's only libc6, bzip and others |
| 13:19.53 | iLogic | anyways, iâm gonna stop bugging you guys and work around this issue.. clearly broadcom is very bad choice for vendor |
| 13:19.53 | petn-randall | iLogic: Yeah, but it's a PITA to integrate into the installer, and I'm guessing nobody did that work. |
| 13:20.11 | teraflops | iLogic: youre confusing the installer with a live debian iso, if I get what you mean |
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| 13:20.49 | petn-randall | iLogic: The right choice would be to flip the finger at broadcom for slapping a non-distributable license (we don't worry about non-free license, most firmware has that) onto their firmware. |
| 13:20.54 | iLogic | teraflops: i thought they would patch both to include all the firmware and tools |
| 13:21.29 | iLogic | teraflops: the livecd and installer i mean ^ |
| 13:21.38 | teraflops | oh, I guess they don't looking at your issue |
| 13:21.45 | iLogic | petn-randall: indeed, i might even send some hatemail after this is done :) |
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| 13:22.16 | teraflops | iLogic: im confused again, livecd installer != debian iso right? |
| 13:22.34 | iLogic | yup |
| 13:22.37 | teraflops | ok ;) |
| 13:22.58 | iLogic | this live package feels pretty fringy |
| 13:23.12 | iLogic | most ftp mirrors dont have them |
| 13:23.28 | iLogic | itâs a iso-hybrid actually |
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| 13:25.20 | iLogic | but thing that makes me worry about this install wifi later is that last time I tried the wifi actually worked until some point and then it stopped, i tried to move on without but when it came the install grub2 part it failed miserably.. a quick googling indicated that it might be because I lost the link |
| 13:25.48 | themill | iLogic: the package mirrors and cd mirrors are entirely different; if a mirror happens to have both that is a happy coincidence |
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| 13:25.57 | teraflops | iLogic: old macbook? |
| 13:26.04 | iLogic | worse, old netbook |
| 13:26.10 | teraflops | heh |
| 13:28.01 | n00b13 | han-solo: it says, that your send socket buffers are completly full - bumping up net.core.wmem_max is your friend ;-) |
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| 13:28.25 | petn-randall | iLogic: If grub2 installation failed, it's surely not because of a failed connection. If the download of packages fails, you'll get an error message that you have to acknowledge. |
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| 13:33.24 | n00b13 | han-solo: this is mostly an indicator for poor-networking, high packet loss and low nw-performance.... |
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| 13:34.06 | han-solo | thankyou noob13 |
| 13:34.13 | defanor | hm, debian jessie tried to exec /tmp/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64.config.dJFaSt on update (and filed, since i'm mounting /tmp with noexec). should it do that? |
| 13:34.31 | defanor | also, what happens if it fails to exec that? |
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| 13:36.22 | petn-randall | defanor: Debian doesn't work with noexec on /tmp. Depends on what got extracted there. |
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| 13:36.41 | iLogic | Iâm going with the install wifi later solution, thanks for the help teraflops , petn-randall and themill.. you guys are awesome! |
| 13:37.11 | teraflops | iLogic: good luck ;) |
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| 13:37.28 | iLogic | thanks! |
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| 13:37.31 | babilen | defanor: You'd need pre-invoke and post-invoke configuration for DPKG so that it mounts /tmp exec when you run apt* |
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| 13:38.04 | defanor | petn-randall, babilen: ok, thanks |
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| 13:39.46 | babilen | defanor: Something like https://www.refheap.com/121381 in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50remounttmp |
| 13:39.49 | babilen | (or so) |
| 13:39.49 | K|nG | hi could someone provide me with an solution i accidently typped "rm -rf *" on /usr/share how can I recover it ? |
| 13:40.04 | petn-randall | K|nG: Recover from backups. |
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| 13:40.44 | K|nG | petn-randall: Non of apps show there could u give me an solution how to because I am using an Debian based distro |
| 13:40.53 | defanor | babilen: nice, thanks |
| 13:41.08 | petn-randall | K|nG: Which distro are you using? |
| 13:41.16 | K|nG | petn-randall: Deepin |
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| 13:41.54 | petn-randall | K|nG: Never heard of it. But we only support Debian in here, not any distros based on Debian. |
| 13:41.59 | petn-randall | !based on |
| 13:41.59 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 13:42.59 | K|nG | petn-randall: could you please provide me with some clue at least what kinda app I can use for recovering my damanage " |
| 13:43.04 | petn-randall | babilen: You're missing 'noexec' in line 2. But that's a sweet solution. |
| 13:43.29 | babilen | petn-randall: Damn! |
| 13:43.42 | babilen | Oh man ... good that you noticed :) |
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| 13:43.57 | defanor | hm, looks like it works without noexec there, just remounts to the defaults from fstab |
| 13:44.05 | babilen | It should have taken .... |
| 13:44.05 | wsky | can anyone recommend me a place with CHEAP Debian cds in europe? |
| 13:44.07 | petn-randall | K|nG: No app can help you. You can try reinstalling all packages of your system. But again, your distro is offtopic in here. |
| 13:44.08 | babilen | Yeah, from fstab |
| 13:44.59 | K|nG | petn-randall: Okay sorry for that but could you tell me how I can reinstall all my packages at once with a singlle command is that possible ? |
| 13:45.27 | petn-randall | wsky: If you don't have the option to download the images yourself, I think the Debian website has a list of vendors selling them. |
| 13:45.47 | wsky | petn-randall: i have the option but i want to hand out some for free on an event |
| 13:45.56 | themill | just like «/msg dpkg tmp noexec» then ;) |
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| 13:47.32 | babilen | Should have known that we have a factoid for it :) |
| 13:47.49 | babilen | I probably stole my bit from dpkg ages ago and forgot about it |
| 13:47.55 | themill | :) |
| 13:48.12 | themill | We should start handing out DOIs for factoids for easy citation |
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| 13:48.53 | lelu | Hi all, how would I go about submitting an ITP for https://github.com/icholy/ttygif ? |
| 13:49.15 | babilen | dpkg: itp |
| 13:49.15 | dpkg | Intent To Package (ITP) is a Debian <bug> filed against the <wnpp> pseudo-package, to indicate someone is working on packaging a piece of software for Debian. This is done to avoid a duplication of work. |
| 13:49.30 | babilen | learned |
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| 13:49.58 | babilen | lelu: You'd use reportbug to file a bug against wnpp. Are you done with the packaging already or are you planning to start yet? |
| 13:51.06 | lelu | babilen: It's something that I am looking into. It could be that I am looking to do a request for package as I have no experience in actually packaging for debian. |
| 13:51.11 | petn-randall | themill, babilen, while 'mount -o remount' works when /etc/fstab has the noexec set, I'd explicitely add that parameter for clarity. If for some reason /tmp is mounted exec, the first thing an unsuspecting admin might assume is that there's a bug in the script, and fix it. |
| 13:51.46 | petn-randall | (and might ignore the actual cause of not being mounted noexec) |
| 13:52.28 | babilen | lelu: Yeah, a RFP would be more appropriate in that case. It really depends on what you want to achieve. It could take a while for someone to follow up on your RFP though so if you want to see that tool in Debian it would definitely help if you were to package it yourself. |
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| 13:53.40 | themill | petn-randall: yeah |
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| 13:54.34 | lelu | babilen: thanks for the pointers. I will read up on how I go about doing that. It's something I looked into a few months ago and if I were to package and maintain that package myself I would need to apply to become a developer |
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| 13:55.19 | lelu | Which means finding someone to advocate for me. |
| 13:55.23 | babilen | lelu: The first step would be to find a mentor and sponsor -- See https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers for information on how to go about it. |
| 13:55.40 | lelu | ah yes, thats the page I had been reading. |
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| 13:57.15 | lelu | thank you babilen |
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| 14:04.32 | iLogic | petn-randall: happened again: The âgrub-pcâ package failed to instal into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot. |
| 14:04.48 | petn-randall | iLogic: What error did you get? |
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| 14:05.00 | iLogic | grub installation failed |
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| 14:05.21 | petn-randall | iLogic: If you switch to tty8, there should be an installation log. |
| 14:05.36 | iLogic | googling it i saw someone having trouble with network on ubuntu having the same error: http://askubuntu.com/questions/199049/how-to-fix-a-failing-grub-pc-package-installation-in-hyper-v-virtual-machine |
| 14:05.48 | petn-randall | (might be another tty, just try with ctrl + alt + Fx) |
| 14:06.39 | petn-randall | iLogic: I'd disregard that for now, as you should have gotten a big fat warning if downloading packages failed. |
| 14:06.40 | iLogic | when I go past the X tty theyâre all blank |
| 14:07.01 | petn-randall | iLogic: Which installer are you using? |
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| 14:07.18 | iLogic | graphical from the live cd |
| 14:07.36 | petn-randall | iLogic: Ah, use the netinstaller instead. I don't think the installer from the live CD is production-ready. |
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| 14:10.06 | iLogic | Think Iâll go with the dvd one and wifi later |
| 14:10.21 | petn-randall | iLogic: Although the live installer should have a way to look at the logs *somwhere*. And they should show why it failed. |
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| 14:12.25 | BinBasher | ,v mesa-utils |
| 14:12.27 | judd | Package: mesa-utils on amd64 -- squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; wheezy: 8.0.1-2+b3; jessie: 8.2.0-1; stretch: 8.3.0-1; sid: 8.3.0-1 |
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| 14:12.52 | iLogic | petn-randall: iâm browsing around /var/log with no success |
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| 14:14.17 | petn-randall | iLogic: All messages should go to tty4: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s01.html.en |
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| 14:16.32 | iLogic | petn-randall: apparently it doesnt apply to the graphical installer (below) |
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| 14:17.34 | iLogic | petn-randall: i was looking into this syslog and found some wifi errors |
| 14:17.45 | iLogic | but nothing grub related |
| 14:18.38 | petn-randall | iLogic: In that case, I'd try the usual installer, it should work better there. How did you prepare your installation image, by the way? |
| 14:19.06 | iLogic | i just dd with bs=1m |
| 14:19.13 | iLogic | is that what you mean? |
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| 14:20.02 | faraday_gi|53567 | all |
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| 14:20.27 | petn-randall | iLogic: Yes, ok, that's fine. If you had used unetbootin, that sometimes causes these kinds of errors with the netinstaller. |
| 14:20.36 | petn-randall | hi faraday_gi|53567 |
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| 14:37.20 | BinBasher | what does the ES stand for in libgles1 ? |
| 14:37.30 | BinBasher | oh embedded systems |
| 14:37.40 | BinBasher | sorry |
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| 14:42.16 | jhutchins | !b43 |
| 14:42.17 | dpkg | b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>. |
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| 14:43.28 | lelu | My laptop's wifi will happily connect to my router at home, or to my iPhone but not to my works wifi. Is there any obvious debugging I could do to find out why? |
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| 14:45.52 | LePsy666 | Hi all, I am looking for a solution to expose a stream ( made with the application "motion" on my private lan ) over the internet. I would like to do it in perl to handle some credentials before. Has anyone an idea on it ? |
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| 14:49.02 | jhutchins | LePsy666: I know of a few different ways to broadcast audio and video streams using A/V utilities; I know of nothing that uses raw perl. I think that would be a pretty special application for a reporting language. |
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| 14:49.08 | veek | anyone use autokey - i can't get the hotkey to work |
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| 14:50.11 | LePsy666 | jhutchins: I manage to read my stream from the host but not to redistribute properly, I'll try on irc.perl.org, maybe someone knows how to do it :/ |
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| 14:57.41 | Bushmaster | hi |
| 14:57.54 | Bushmaster | i cant install libmjpegtool-1.9 |
| 14:58.07 | Bushmaster | anyone know how to install it |
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| 15:00.18 | jhutchins | ,v libmjpegtools |
| 15:00.19 | judd | No package named 'libmjpegtools' was found in amd64. |
| 15:00.28 | jhutchins | ,v libmjpegtools-1.9 |
| 15:00.28 | judd | No package named 'libmjpegtools-1.9' was found in amd64. |
| 15:00.56 | jhutchins | ,v libmjpegtools-1.9 |
| 15:00.57 | judd | No package named 'libmjpegtools-1.9' was found in amd64. |
| 15:01.01 | jhutchins | ,v libmjpegtools-2.0 |
| 15:01.02 | judd | No package named 'libmjpegtools-2.0' was found in amd64. |
| 15:01.12 | jhutchins | ,v libmjpegtools-2 |
| 15:01.13 | judd | No package named 'libmjpegtools-2' was found in amd64. |
| 15:01.41 | Bushmaster | its for wxCam |
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| 15:03.13 | Bushmaster | could not manage to install it http://wxcam.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:03.28 | AvatarA | isn't it libmjpegtools-dev? |
| 15:03.48 | Bushmaster | i think tried that one, let me try again |
| 15:04.05 | jhutchins | Bushmaster: I show both 1.9 and 2.0 as removed but configured on my system, libmjpegutils-2.1-0 currently installed. |
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| 15:04.32 | jhutchins | Bushmaster: Mine is an old system upgraded to jessie from etch or lenny. |
| 15:04.46 | Bushmaster | jhutchins, hold on |
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| 15:07.25 | Bushmaster | jhutchins, yes this installed in my machine but it does not help installing wxCam |
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| 15:07.52 | Bushmaster | AvatarA, when I tried to isntall the one you suggested it cant connect with my mirror which is Connecting to mirror.cc.columbia.edu (128.59.59.71) |
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| 15:08.16 | Bushmaster | any suggestion how to connect AvatarA |
| 15:08.16 | AvatarA | if you're compiling, you need the -dev package |
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| 15:12.32 | AvatarA | first of all, are you compiling or installing the .deb package? |
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| 15:13.01 | AvatarA | second, if that mirror isn't working, try another by editing your sources.list then apt-get update |
| 15:13.57 | BinBasher | https://paste.debian.net/780433/ how badly will things break? |
| 15:14.58 | Bushmaster | AvatarA, installing as I download a file from wxCam website |
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| 15:15.56 | AvatarA | well then update mirror as I said, sudo dpkg -i that package and apt-get -f if I remember right |
| 15:16.03 | AvatarA | to download the dependencies for that .deb |
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| 15:17.26 | jandrusk | AvatarA: Yes, apt-get -f will install missing dependencies and then the package from dpkg -i. |
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| 15:27.39 | R0B_ROD | Ok so i got this distro and when it updated it downloads i386 packages yet inhave an amd64 how do i switch over my entire system to amd64? |
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| 15:31.59 | sypher | R0B_ROD: did you install from the correct media (amd64 vs i386)? |
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| 15:32.44 | R0B_ROD | its a custom distro but i see that the diff is 32 bit to 64 bit and no real harm i guess... using weakerthan linux btw |
| 15:32.59 | sypher | R0B_ROD: I'm afraid that that's off-topic for #debian. |
| 15:33.11 | R0B_ROD | its based on debian buddy |
| 15:33.38 | Bushmaster | jandrusk, this is what I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/19086274/ |
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| 15:35.23 | awal1 | Any utility, non root, for find out which process's are consuming more battery power? |
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| 15:40.07 | zykotick9 | awal1: the have root access, answer would be powertop perhaps. best of luck. |
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| 15:41.46 | awal1 | zykotick9, I meant an utility which doesn't need root privileges. I have powertop already and I use it sometimes but needs root. |
| 15:42.11 | awal1 | I have found another utility 'pwrkap', will check it |
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| 15:51.07 | radw62 | hello |
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| 15:51.52 | radw62 | help !! I need to mount a nfsv3 volume , asap |
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| 15:52.27 | greycat | mount -o vers=3 server:/directory /localdirectory |
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| 15:55.07 | unborn | hi guys, how can I change icons in gnome 3 on jessie? |
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| 15:57.05 | teraflops | install icon themes? |
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| 15:57.13 | unborn | teraflops: yah |
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| 15:58.07 | greycat | unborn: apt-cache search --names-only gnome theme |
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| 15:58.26 | unborn | greycat: how about custom package? |
| 15:58.50 | teraflops | heh I mean, you grab the icon theme and install it or just apt-get install it (if available) |
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| 15:59.05 | unborn | https://github.com/daniruiz/Super-Flat-Remix-GNOME-theme from here |
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| 15:59.45 | unborn | it should be just download, extract and then change it somewhere.. but in gnome3 I cannot find it where to change those |
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| 16:04.27 | teraflops | unborn: did you search a bit, e.g googled it? if yes what did you try? |
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| 16:05.26 | jhutchins | unborn: Your source should have instructions on how to use/actibvate the theme. |
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| 16:08.13 | unborn | okay now I found how to enable custom theme in gome tweak tool.. |
| 16:08.17 | sphalerite | what could cause apt to be unable to resolve httpredir.debian.org while getent hosts works fine? This is on an android kernel |
| 16:08.30 | teraflops | no intructions there though, anyway standard gnome-shell themes procedure is iirc, create ~/.themes folder; unzip theme there and select and using gome-tweak-tool, also enabling load shell themes from user directory in extensions |
| 16:09.05 | _foldLeft | I'm trying to roll my own compiled php debian package, and having some trouble, it seems that when I do a dpkg-buildpackage -b the resulting .deb has only files in a /usr/share/doc/php directory, and nothing else. no binaries or anything |
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| 16:10.40 | babilen | _foldLeft: #debian-mentors or #debian-php might be better places for that question (both on irc.debian.org aka irc.oftc.net) |
| 16:10.48 | jhutchins | sphalerite: A typo in the sources.list? |
| 16:11.05 | _foldLeft | babilen: thanks, I'll check those out |
| 16:11.10 | sphalerite | jhutchins: no, I never touched that (it was created by debootstrap) |
| 16:11.33 | sphalerite | jhutchins: been following these instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid#Manual_installation_in_a_chroot |
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| 16:11.54 | miskatonic | desktop systems are such a pain in the tail. I will always refrain from using them. |
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| 16:14.19 | jhutchins | sphalerite: Just because it ws created by debootstrap doesn't mean it doesn't have an error. Could also be a bad line termination. |
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| 16:17.51 | sphalerite | jhutchins: surely if debootstrap can download it fine there's not going to be an issue in the sources.list? Anyway, I checked, it looks fine |
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| 16:19.17 | tripkin | Hello, I am having a permissions problem with my apache configuration on a vhost. I have put the vhost conf file here: http://pastebin.ca/3656326. In a nutshell, I have installed davical through aptitude so it is located in /usr/share/davical, i have created a vhost called cal.example.com and set the DocumentRoot to /usr/share/davical/htdocs. I can access the images in /usr/share/davical/htdocs/images without any issues, but if I try |
| 16:19.17 | tripkin | to launch index.php, setup.php, or any other docs I get a 403 Forbidden message. Can anyone help? Please? |
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| 16:24.23 | teraflops | tripkin: sorry I cannot see the paste |
| 16:24.57 | tripkin | teraflops, sorry. I will put it up again. |
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| 16:25.43 | tripkin | teraflops, here it is http://pastebin.ca/3657277 |
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| 16:27.14 | teraflops | youre using virtualmin? |
| 16:27.21 | tripkin | Yes |
| 16:27.49 | tripkin | And example.com is a real site on my lan. |
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| 16:28.23 | teraflops | and the cgi at /home ? |
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| 16:29.06 | jhutchins | tripkin: Permissions, AllowExec. |
| 16:29.12 | teraflops | tripkin: you mean ping cal.example.com works? |
| 16:29.25 | tripkin | Yes, ping works. |
| 16:29.28 | teraflops | ok |
| 16:29.39 | tripkin | The cgi is at /home... |
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| 16:30.01 | tripkin | Thanks, jhutchins, I will put that in and try it again. |
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| 16:30.48 | teraflops | take a look at /var/log/virtualmin/cal.example.com_access_log too while accessing the site |
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| 16:31.11 | teraflops | .. and the error log |
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| 16:32.24 | LunaLovegood | Anyone knows how I can bind the XF86Back and XF86Forward keys to previous/next window in GNU Screen? I'm using xfce4-terminal if that matters. |
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| 16:33.47 | greycat | Off hand, I'd guess you need to bind something at the terminal level which translates those X key syms into byte sequences. |
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| 16:35.49 | teraflops | well, I do not understand the question |
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| 16:37.23 | teraflops | oh my, I need more coffee |
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| 16:38.32 | afernandez_ | What is the file i need to edit to boot the system in certain run level if i am using sysv: /sbin/init? |
| 16:39.22 | greycat | If you want to make a PERMANENT change, /etc/inittab |
| 16:39.41 | greycat | If you just want to boot differently one time, usually you pass an argument on the kernel command line through grub. |
| 16:40.08 | afernandez_ | Greycat |
| 16:40.13 | greycat | All that said, Debian does not differntiate between run levels 2-5 (in wheezy and earlier) by default. Changing run level means nothing unless you have configured it to do so. |
| 16:40.29 | afernandez_ | $ dpkg -S /sbin/init |
| 16:40.30 | afernandez_ | systemd-sysv: /sbin/init |
| 16:40.56 | afernandez_ | I do not have that /etc/inittab file |
| 16:41.20 | greycat | So you're in jessie and not actually using sysvinit? |
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| 16:42.03 | afernandez_ | -a3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:42.19 | greycat | You are using jessie and systemd. You are not using sysvinit except in legacy fallback/support mode. |
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| 16:42.22 | greycat | You have no run levels. |
| 16:42.51 | greycat | What are you actually trying to do? |
| 16:43.14 | afernandez_ | well ZI just wanted to know what is the file to edit when you do not have /etc/inittab |
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| 16:43.30 | greycat | It's not that simple. There ARE NO run levels any more. They don't exist. |
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| 16:43.48 | afernandez_ | Oh OK |
| 16:43.49 | greycat | There is no single central file for systemd behavior. It uses lots of files spread across several dirs. |
| 16:43.50 | afernandez_ | Thanks |
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| 16:50.24 | tripkin | teraflops, right now there are no messages showing up in access or error logs for cal.example.com but the apache error log shows: [Mon Jul 11 10:49:43.564878 2016] [core:trace5] [pid 18990] protocol.c(618): [client 192.168.2.190:60387] Request received from client: GET / HTTP/1.1 |
| 16:50.24 | tripkin | [Mon Jul 11 10:49:43.566137 2016] [core:trace6] [pid 18990] core_filters.c(527): [client 192.168.2.190:60387] core_output_filter: flushing because of FLUSH bucket |
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| 16:51.57 | tripkin | jhutchins, where would I put the "Permissions,AllowExec"? Use the "Options" directive? I am having troubles finding that phrase. |
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| 16:56.50 | teraflops | tripkin: I have no idea about those message to be honest |
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| 16:59.52 | tripkin | teraflops, no problem. The end result is that I am not getting any messages in the vhost logs. I have the LogLevel at trace8 as well. Also, /usr/share is set to "Require all granted" |
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| 17:00.37 | tripkin | I am just not seeing why I cannot execute the php. jhutchins had an idea, but I do not know how to implement that. |
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| 17:01.18 | tripkin | I have tried in #httpd, but they were unable to help, either. |
| 17:01.45 | mtndew | if I have something that's a tarball and NOT a dpkg yet and I'd like to build a custom deb for someone, would the following URL be the best place for documentation on it? there seems to be a lot ofplaces talking about a wide variety of tools |
| 17:01.53 | mtndew | https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Intro?action=show&redirect=IntroDebianPackaging |
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| 17:06.16 | jhutchins | tripkin: I would have to look up the correct syntax in the Apache docs, but by permissions I mean check that the target folder has the correct permissions for Apache to access it. |
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| 17:06.56 | jhutchins | tripkin: As for AllowExec, that may be an older syntax too, basically you have to enable code execution for the directory the scripts are in. |
| 17:07.17 | jhutchins | tripkin: There are several ways to do this in 2.2, I'm not sure what all the options are for 2.4. |
| 17:07.38 | tripkin | jhutchins, that makes sense. I just checked the permissions and they are all set correctly. |
| 17:07.50 | jhutchins | tripkin: I always keep this at hand when I'm working on a site: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/ |
| 17:07.53 | tripkin | So ExecCGI might be the command I want, then |
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| 17:08.08 | jhutchins | tripkin: Yes, that's the other one I was thinking of. |
| 17:09.00 | tripkin | Yes, I keep that and https://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FrontPage at hand as well. Ok. I will put ExecCGI into the options statement. |
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| 17:18.07 | wsky | is there a possibility for the debian project to pay for debian disks that are supposed to be handed out for free in a promotional action |
| 17:18.10 | wsky | ? |
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| 17:19.26 | wsky | sorta like ubuntu did but in smaller scale |
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| 17:22.17 | fennesz | Hello ! I am getting this error : http://paste.debian.net/780453/ Can someone help ? |
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| 17:22.51 | T4ng10r | hi |
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| 17:25.36 | tripkin | jhutchins, teraflops, somewhere along the way I have disabled access the the htdocs/images files. LOL ExecCGI didn't make any difference. |
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| 17:27.08 | jhutchins | tripkin: Typically I would expect meaningful output in /var/log/apache/error.log |
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| 17:27.20 | jhutchins | apache2? |
| 17:27.30 | tripkin | Yes, 2.4 |
| 17:27.42 | tripkin | I am running Debian 8.5 |
| 17:28.08 | jhutchins | tri tripkin I mean /var/log/apache2/error.log |
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| 17:31.32 | teraflops | tripkin: well at least you figured it out |
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| 17:35.03 | tripkin | Yes. Turns out I was looking at the wrong logs, before. There is info in them, I have pasted them here: http://pastebin.ca/3657347 |
| 17:35.38 | tripkin | teraflops, yeah, now I cannot even see the images in the htdocs/images folder. |
| 17:36.25 | tripkin | jhutchins, teraflops, if you can make anything out of the correct logs I just posted, that would be awesome. |
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| 17:37.16 | teraflops | tripkin: so you can access but no images? |
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| 17:38.13 | tripkin | teraflops, no. I get the 403 there as well. I am going to post up my vhost conf again - I cannot see where I have blocked them. I have removed the ExecCGI as well. |
| 17:39.05 | tripkin | Here is the updated cal.example.com.conf http://pastebin.ca/3657348 |
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| 17:41.42 | t4nk964 | hey guys, have a usb headset that made my life a nightmare, do any of you have some free time to help me with this. thanks |
| 17:41.43 | wsky | i will ask again and for the final time |
| 17:41.43 | teraflops | tripkin: well 403 is forbiden. |
| 17:41.56 | tripkin | Yes. |
| 17:42.20 | wsky | is it possible for the debian project to finance debian cds with imprinting and an envelope for a promotional action |
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| 17:42.24 | teraflops | tripkin: also what are you using as source of information? |
| 17:42.24 | tripkin | teraflops, I don't think it should be. Somewhere I have missed something. |
| 17:42.42 | wsky | god damn whenever i ask something other people start talking, i guess it's mailing list time |
| 17:42.47 | teraflops | tripkin: http://wiki.davical.org/index.php/Debian ? |
| 17:43.41 | tripkin | http://www.davical.org/installation.php as well as ^^ |
| 17:44.48 | teraflops | tripkin: but youre under debian, it's just your vhost is way different from the one here http://wiki.davical.org/index.php/Debian |
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| 17:45.52 | tripkin | teraflops, I am also running virtualmin, so I am trying to keep stuff that I think is related to that. I can try the example one provided. I will do it right now and let you know if it works... |
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| 17:46.08 | teraflops | sure |
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| 17:47.10 | mtndew | why in 2016 would you run webmin/virtualmin? |
| 17:47.16 | mtndew | that's very antiquated |
| 17:47.35 | johnkeates | ah, mountain dew, corrosive as ever |
| 17:47.40 | johnkeates | made a pun |
| 17:47.56 | greycat | !webmin |
| 17:47.56 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 17:48.04 | mtndew | well, I didn't mean it like that, but there are better tools for the job today |
| 17:48.06 | johnkeates | also, most people using webmin/virtualmin use it because once they installed it they just keep using it |
| 17:48.09 | johnkeates | yeah |
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| 17:48.22 | gregc2 | We run webmin for people to have a nice place to enter dhcp reserved addresses. |
| 17:48.36 | H4ndy | lol, I used webmin like 10 years ago the last time |
| 17:48.43 | H4ndy | and it was already shitty back then |
| 17:48.45 | johnkeates | I used it on OSX the last time i installed it |
| 17:48.49 | H4ndy | sorry, language+ |
| 17:48.51 | johnkeates | hehe |
| 17:48.53 | mtndew | I used it in the sarge days :P |
| 17:48.59 | johnkeates | yeah, sounds about right |
| 17:49.27 | johnkeates | oh well, after I implemented configuration management using proper tools I haven't touched those wacky web tools |
| 17:49.30 | H4ndy | there is much better stuff now depending on what you need like froxlor or ajenti |
| 17:49.34 | teraflops | mtndew: well I bit my tongue about virtualmin but youre right |
| 17:49.34 | mtndew | goes back to trying to build .deb packages |
| 17:49.35 | johnkeates | everything is in SaltStack |
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| 17:49.52 | mtndew | johnkeates: well, that could start a religious war of its own |
| 17:49.57 | johnkeates | true |
| 17:50.05 | mtndew | johnkeates: I've yet to use salt, but I've used chef and puppet quite a bit |
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| 17:50.07 | johnkeates | but SaltStack/Puppet/CFengine/Chef etc, it doesn't really matter |
| 17:50.18 | johnkeates | as long as a proper system is implemented |
| 17:50.21 | mtndew | either way, I'd say any of those options in place of *min |
| 17:50.30 | teraflops | !webmin |
| 17:50.30 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 17:50.31 | johnkeates | I see it more in the ISO20k/ITIL3 way; just having any of them is better than the alternative |
| 17:50.34 | mtndew | been meaning to learn salt, but I hate python |
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| 17:50.39 | johnkeates | haha yeah |
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| 17:50.43 | johnkeates | I started out that way too |
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| 17:50.49 | johnkeates | but coming from puppet, salt is a breeze |
| 17:50.57 | mtndew | you think so? |
| 17:50.59 | johnkeates | the community is also really nice and open |
| 17:51.02 | johnkeates | yeah |
| 17:51.10 | mtndew | I started heavily with puppet and got deep into chef for a job |
| 17:51.12 | johnkeates | most of the time you won't even be touching python, just yaml |
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| 17:51.17 | mtndew | hmm |
| 17:51.43 | johnkeates | it also forces you do make better choices, as static data, shared data, compile-time constants etc are very strictly implemented |
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| 17:51.56 | johnkeates | so you don't get those dirty cross-dependencies and hacks |
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| 17:52.31 | johnkeates | also, execution order and execution dependencies are really well worked out, so you always know when and why a desired state will be reached |
| 17:52.37 | tripkin | teraflops, jhutchins, thank you for your help. Turns out that using the provided example did work. Lesson learned: follow the instructions *EXACTLY*, then troubleshoot from there instead of creating problems before I even get going. It is a hard lesson, and I hope you don't feel you wasted your time. <hangs head in shame> |
| 17:52.48 | johnkeates | instead of the 'it may be configured too early, or too late, or in conflict with something else' |
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| 17:53.32 | johnkeates | but since I have more of a background in software engineering than ops, I may have a different view on what's proper and easy than others :p |
| 17:53.53 | mtndew | that's one of the mostly better things about chef as well |
| 17:54.06 | johnkeates | yeah, chef would be my other choice |
| 17:54.12 | mtndew | although manipulation of data at runtime and attribute precedence are ridiculous in chef |
| 17:54.17 | johnkeates | true |
| 17:54.35 | mtndew | still better than webmin lol |
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| 17:54.46 | johnkeates | the community seems divided as well, where with salt everyone is 'together' instead of 'enterprise' vs. 'home' |
| 17:54.50 | johnkeates | true ;-) |
| 17:55.05 | johnkeates | well, it's also better than the stuff Fedora builds into their server distros and Ubuntu with their landscape |
| 17:55.14 | johnkeates | they all try hard, but none of it really encompasses it all |
| 17:55.34 | johnkeates | and the Debian support in Salt is really good too |
| 17:55.43 | johnkeates | as an added bonus :p |
| 17:58.03 | teraflops | tripkin: well glad you solved it |
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| 17:59.06 | tripkin | So am I. Now I have another problem with it, but for that I will lurk on the davical channel. Your help and patience is greatly appreciated. |
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| 18:12.14 | shadows | raspberry pi libre bootcode.bin replacement needs a linux loader, anyone want to do this work? |
| 18:12.58 | shadows | the author of the bootcode.bin replacement has become too busy to add any new features |
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| 18:14.58 | T4ng10r | Hi, when I run TeamViz or i;e. eclipse installer I find 'Vector smash protection is enabled' |
| 18:15.11 | T4ng10r | however the same run as other user - don't |
| 18:15.30 | T4ng10r | can you help me identify where and what may trigger this behaviour? |
| 18:16.06 | greycat | there is an #eclipse channel. maybe they know? |
| 18:16.24 | sphalerite | Is there a way to make an interface optional, so I can run ifup <if> whenever but networking.service won't be considered failed if the interface can't be brought up at boot? |
| 18:16.45 | mtndew | if I want to build a package to explicitly install to /usr/local, is that not possible on debian? |
| 18:17.34 | sphalerite | mtndew: should be possible, but why would you want to do that? |
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| 18:18.24 | mtndew | because it's not system software, I'm building a custom package, and I'd like it to be totally separate, and I prefer the BSD approach of /usr/local containing all that stuff |
| 18:18.36 | mtndew | you can wipe out /usr/local on any BSD and be totally fine |
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| 18:19.18 | greycat | /opt is probably more common for third-party packages that don't want to touch /usr for whatever reason, but you can make your package put files anywhere. |
| 18:19.38 | shadows | mtndew: you are using package manager... so this sounds confused |
| 18:19.46 | sphalerite | mtndew: but if you're making a package then you shouldn't wipe out wherever you installed it |
| 18:19.46 | shadows | let package manager do it? |
| 18:20.19 | jelly | it's possible alright |
| 18:20.20 | mtndew | trying to build the package but having issues |
| 18:20.25 | jelly | !ask |
| 18:20.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:20.40 | leba2 | Is it actually best practice to leave RTC clock to UTC? Even if dualbooting with, say, Windows? |
| 18:20.48 | jhutchins | sphalerite: That would've been covered by "allow hotplug" in the pre-systemd universe. not sur if that still works. |
| 18:21.02 | jelly | leba2: it's best practice not to dualboot? :-) |
| 18:21.10 | sphalerite | jhutchins: it doesn't, I have it in the config but it doesn't seem to do anything :/ |
| 18:21.11 | jhutchins | leba2: There are a few good reasons for doing it that way. You can fix windows. |
| 18:21.30 | jelly | leba2: if your other OS expects localtime in RTC, it may be easier to leave it that way |
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| 18:21.52 | jelly | in other words, it's simpler to fix debian than to fix windows |
| 18:21.53 | leba2 | Don't think I came here without previously reading, though. |
| 18:21.57 | jhutchins | sphalerite: In a way, networking.services failing is appropriate, because anything that relies on it should not try to start. |
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| 18:22.27 | leba2 | Well, I already read it's still possible to fix Windows in a realtively easy way. |
| 18:22.41 | leba2 | I think it was a regedit thing... |
| 18:22.41 | sphalerite | jhutchins: actually, no, I'm not sure if that's right. It's not failing because the link can't be brought up, it's failing because the interface doesn't exist. Not sure if that would have been covered by allow-hotplug even before systemd? |
| 18:22.46 | jhutchins | leba2: If it's a single user system in a fixed location, the only thing you have to worry about is dealing with locations in other parts of the world. |
| 18:22.47 | mtndew | when I run debbuild on my package I'm trying to build, I get over 6200 lines of errors.... |
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| 18:23.04 | jhutchins | sphalerite: Probably not. |
| 18:23.35 | sphalerite | right, that explains it. Should I not be using debian's config for the interface if it won't always be present then? |
| 18:23.36 | jhutchins | mtndew: The existance or number of errors is meaningless. What they say is what matters. Start at the top. |
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| 18:24.45 | mtndew | dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to |
| 18:24.53 | jelly | !paste |
| 18:24.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:25.03 | mtndew | then a filepath |
| 18:25.12 | mtndew | complaining about a symlink in a tarball |
| 18:25.22 | leba2 | jelly, jhutchins: I'm still trying to understand 100% this article http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Clock-2.html |
| 18:25.34 | jelly | mtndew: can you show the whole thing, and your debian/* setup? |
| 18:25.39 | greycat | leba2: read "man hwclock" and ignore the tldp site? |
| 18:25.47 | mtndew | jelly: I can't, it's proprietary |
| 18:26.00 | jelly | mtndew: you can't show the output? |
| 18:26.21 | mtndew | I can tell you errors sans filenames/filepaths |
| 18:26.51 | jelly | sorry, no I'm not interested in providing free help based on munged information |
| 18:26.54 | mtndew | the first section of errors is complaining about symlinks in the source tarball and how the old version doesn't exist |
| 18:27.03 | jelly | perhaps someone else may care more |
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| 18:27.18 | greycat | HE COULD TELL YOU HIS FILENAMES BUT THEN HE WOULD HAVE TO KILL YOU |
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| 18:27.39 | jelly | greycat: for $200/hr I can sign a NDA and look at the logs. |
| 18:27.40 | shadows | greycat: never seen you capslock before. you okay over there? |
| 18:27.54 | T4ng10r | In env I found PATH and part of this path as variable name: like usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games= |
| 18:28.04 | mtndew | lol @ $200/hr |
| 18:28.06 | T4ng10r | how come? where this could be set ... |
| 18:28.16 | greycat | T4ng10r: /etc/profile and other places |
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| 18:28.22 | T4ng10r | ok |
| 18:28.23 | jelly | too cheap, I know... |
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| 18:29.29 | leba2 | Is tldp site that bad? |
| 18:29.45 | leba2 | I did try to read man hwclock, but found I needed more information befoerhand |
| 18:29.48 | greycat | You tell me. Did you understand the man page? |
| 18:30.21 | leba2 | Man page hardly. Tldp site, more easily... |
| 18:30.35 | greycat | Really? |
| 18:30.47 | socomm | leba2: I'm not sure if the tldp is actively maintained. |
| 18:30.54 | leba2 | ^ Ah |
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| 18:31.02 | leba2 | Ok, will take into account |
| 18:31.04 | greycat | Now bear in mind, when I say "man hwclock" I mean skip down to the section header "NOTES". Just read that. Ignore all of the crap above it. |
| 18:31.12 | leba2 | Will try again man page |
| 18:31.13 | greycat | Like you were told to do last week. |
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| 18:31.39 | leba2 | Then I'll try fight my stupidity and try once more. Thanks. |
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| 18:34.29 | T4ng10r | /etc/profile isn't a place to search - as second user doesn't have this strange variable '/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games=' |
| 18:34.37 | jhutchins | Not that clock systems have change much in 20 years, with the exception of systemd adding a new layer. |
| 18:35.02 | greycat | T4ng10r: you're saying that's the VARIABLE NAME, not the variable CONTENT? |
| 18:35.20 | T4ng10r | yes |
| 18:35.21 | jhutchins | Info at http://tldp.org varies in age. Some of it's fairly archaic, but mostly for stuff that hasn't changed much. Anybody can volunteer to update things that have changed. |
| 18:35.28 | T4ng10r | this is VARIABLE name |
| 18:35.37 | jhutchins | TLDP does tend to be RH oriented. |
| 18:35.47 | greycat | T4ng10r: Ok, well, it still looks like someone attempted to set PATH and fucked up. So check all of the files that are read in by the affected user's login. |
| 18:35.47 | T4ng10r | I commented out whole bashrc - and it still appears |
| 18:36.03 | greycat | bashrc is not the only file |
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| 18:36.31 | greycat | Start by figuring out how they login, and look at EVERY file that this kind of login reads. Good luck. Most of it is undocumented, if you're dealing with a GUI. |
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| 18:37.27 | T4ng10r | yes, however - i dont know where else to search, .profile is ok. .bashrc is ok |
| 18:37.35 | greycat | HOW DO THEY LOG IN |
| 18:37.42 | T4ng10r | and system wide settings are not a problem as second user is not affected |
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| 18:38.31 | T4ng10r | I log into i3 through lightdm |
| 18:38.36 | greycat | One of these days when I have nothing else to do, I need to install a fucking GUI and reverse engineer it and DOCUMENT the fucker. |
| 18:38.57 | greycat | Because the status quo is completely unacceptable. |
| 18:39.17 | MightyMooze | greycat: whats your beef? |
| 18:39.41 | greycat | MightyMooze: read "man lightdm" and then tell me (and tell T4ng10r) what files he should be reading to find his errant environment variable. |
| 18:40.55 | MightyMooze | greycat: oh ya, no thanks. |
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| 18:42.46 | greycat | T4ng10r: various web sites that I have found over the last few months indicate that one SOME operating systems under SOME conditions lightdm login sessions will read ~/.xsession but I have not found any DOCUMENTATION to corroborate these web sites |
| 18:42.57 | T4ng10r | /etc/lightdm/ has some entries |
| 18:43.09 | greycat | system-wide stuff is irrelevant as you already noted |
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| 18:43.24 | T4ng10r | interesting POI - I'll check this xsession |
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| 18:44.24 | T4ng10r | .xsession-errors contain some interesting facts |
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| 18:45.29 | T4ng10r | dbus-update-activation-environment: setting PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games - which fitts to strange var name |
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| 18:46.36 | greycat | ... did you mess around with systemctl --user? |
| 18:47.06 | T4ng10r | hmm, yes |
| 18:47.49 | greycat | well, that's where I'd focus |
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| 18:48.15 | T4ng10r | how ever - ther I place some items with only DISPLAY env set |
| 18:48.21 | T4ng10r | but I'll check it |
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| 18:50.40 | mauke | how do I get a perl module officially into debian? would I have to find (or become) a package maintainer first? |
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| 18:51.14 | greycat | !sponsor |
| 18:51.15 | dpkg | sponsor is probably a DD that uploads a package prepared by a maintainer that is not (yet) a DD, therefore trusting, verifying (hopefully) and accepting responsibility for the maintainer's work. See http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/new-maintainer#mentors |
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| 18:52.14 | mauke | is that a yes? |
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| 18:54.23 | mauke | !DD |
| 18:54.23 | dpkg | it has been said that dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. <pv> |
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| 18:57.05 | T4ng10r | ok, lest try restart |
| 18:58.01 | greycat | Of course in this context we're talking about Debian Developers, not dd(1). |
| 18:58.33 | mauke | I don't understand |
| 18:59.33 | greycat | You need to find a Debian Developer to sponsor your package. |
| 18:59.42 | mauke | I don't have a package |
| 18:59.48 | greycat | ... |
| 18:59.51 | mauke | I don't even use debian |
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| 18:59.56 | johnkeates | you are in #debian |
| 18:59.56 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 19:00.34 | mauke | I'm a software author and I'm curious what it would take to allow my users to install my software with apt-get |
| 19:00.56 | mauke | i.e. what's the official process? |
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| 19:02.42 | vook | mauke: see the above link under !sponsor |
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| 19:02.52 | mauke | I did, but I don't see how it applies |
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| 19:03.16 | vook | look harder |
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| 19:03.32 | T4ng10r | still no success - it looks like export $PATH= was used instead of export PATH |
| 19:03.35 | mauke | I'm not a (novice) maintainer |
| 19:03.36 | T4ng10r | but I can't find it |
| 19:03.50 | mauke | I'm not a new developer |
| 19:03.55 | mauke | I don't know what a Debian Developer is |
| 19:04.11 | mauke | I don't have a package ready for inclusion |
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| 19:05.42 | mauke | greycat: btw, that was pretty rude |
| 19:05.49 | mtndew | mauke: basically you either have to go through an internship period to get rights to maintain a package and then package it yourself, or find someone with rights to package who wants to adopt your package per se, even though it doesn't exist, and make the package and work with you to keep it synced |
| 19:06.31 | mtndew | so you could find someone who is a debian developer to hand off your source to by some means and explain where it gets installed to and what it does and have them build a deb package |
| 19:06.54 | T4ng10r | BTW - is there a way so 'less' would retain colors from grep search? |
| 19:07.06 | mauke | the explaining part is easy: it's a perl module, so it works like all other perl modules |
| 19:07.06 | mtndew | no |
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| 19:07.30 | mtndew | mauke: so you might want to name your tarball in the name of debian conventions for perl modules |
| 19:07.32 | mauke | T4ng10r: grep --color=always |
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| 19:07.42 | mtndew | mauke: that won't preserve it thrlough less though |
| 19:07.47 | mtndew | that's less stripping it out |
| 19:07.52 | mauke | less -R |
| 19:08.00 | T4ng10r | thank you |
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| 19:08.06 | T4ng10r | both of you |
| 19:08.09 | mauke | and I have -R in my $LESS |
| 19:08.15 | T4ng10r | grep -colors | less -R |
| 19:08.20 | T4ng10r | grep withouth colors didn't work |
| 19:08.48 | mauke | mtndew: ok, thanks |
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| 19:09.31 | mtndew | I'll be damned I didn't realize if you did color=always and less -R it would work |
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| 19:11.54 | mauke | I don't name my tarball; ExtUtils::MakeMaker does that for me |
| 19:13.03 | mtndew | so, example |
| 19:13.05 | mtndew | libxml-nodefilter-perl - Perl module for a generic node-filter class for DOM traversal |
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| 19:13.49 | mauke | inb4 liblibwww-perl-perl |
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| 19:16.18 | mtndew | liblib? |
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| 19:17.20 | mauke | the distribution is called libwww-perl, so strictly following the libfoo-perl naming scheme would result in liblibwww-perl-perl |
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| 19:22.21 | frikinz | well, there's already liblibrary... https://sources.debian.net/src/liblibrary-callnumber-lc-perl/0.22-1/ |
| 19:24.38 | Coolternet | une personne parle francais ici ? |
| 19:24.50 | frikinz | and dozens perl-perl :) |
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| 19:25.04 | frikinz | Coolternet: oui. et il y a aussi #debian-fr |
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| 19:25.30 | Coolternet | Merci :( |
| 19:25.33 | Coolternet | Merci :) |
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| 19:37.37 | choice | What is an easy way to record audio in debian? |
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| 19:40.37 | Jeffrey01 | Hi |
| 19:40.44 | unborn | choice: gnome recorder or audacity |
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| 19:41.17 | unborn | *gnome recorder i mean sound recorder |
| 19:41.19 | choice | unborn: whats the name of the gnome recorder application? |
| 19:41.39 | choice | neither soundrecorder nor sound-recorder exist. |
| 19:41.45 | Jeffrey01 | Has anyone of here used pcsc-tools? |
| 19:41.48 | choice | there is something called arecord. |
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| 19:42.38 | unborn | choice: it does.. if not install it via synap |
| 19:42.50 | unborn | here is package info http://live.gnome.org/GnomeSoundRecorder |
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| 19:45.22 | unborn | sound recorder 3.14.0.1 |
| 19:45.59 | choice | unborn: thanks. i installed audacity now. it took like a gazillion gigabytes, but it works :) |
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| 19:46.29 | unborn | choice: its great tool for sound manipulation/recording |
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| 19:47.28 | choice | ok :) |
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| 19:48.20 | jhutchins | choice: Be very careful about applying advice for Debian to Ubuntu systems - they are different distributions, with different packages compiled with different patches and options. |
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| 19:51.18 | choice | jhutchins: well, it worked :) |
| 19:51.28 | choice | im on mint though. |
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| 19:53.33 | jhutchins | choice: So you're running mint, and crossposting questions to Debian and Ubuntu - all of which are different systems. |
| 19:53.33 | babilen | choice: You might want to seek support in #linmuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org then as #debian only support Debian and Debian users for a number of technical and social reasons |
| 19:53.40 | jhutchins | ChrisH: Good luck with that. |
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| 19:54.11 | jhutchins | babilen: Looks like he ran. |
| 19:54.25 | greycat | there is also ##linuxmint on this network |
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| 19:58.49 | Iridos | is there a player well suited to sort through and delete audio files? |
| 19:59.17 | jhutchins | Iridos: Like something with a built-in browser? |
| 19:59.28 | sm00th | why not just use the file browser? |
| 19:59.32 | greycat | Deleting audio files is rare enough that I have no problem just using rm. |
| 19:59.42 | Iridos | like ... in feh I can hit del and delete the picture I'm seeing |
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| 19:59.49 | jhutchins | Disk space is cheap, why delete anything? |
| 19:59.56 | sm00th | Iridos, i like banshee for large music library I guess. |
| 20:00.03 | sm00th | add all your audio files to it I guess |
| 20:00.23 | unborn | rhytmbox is fine |
| 20:00.31 | Iridos | maybe I should just delete it all... |
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| 20:00.44 | sm00th | rhythmox aint bad. just can't add multiple folders at once. |
| 20:00.51 | teraflops | Iridos: ncmpcpp can |
| 20:00.57 | teraflops | allow_physical_file_deletion = "yes" |
| 20:01.16 | TomTomTosch | clementine seems popular. |
| 20:01.33 | Iridos | but maybe file browser really is the simple solution and I was overthinking it :P |
| 20:01.44 | sm00th | banshee is best imo, rhythmbox aint bad either. |
| 20:01.52 | sm00th | debian kde has juk as default, which I dont' like lol |
| 20:02.04 | Iridos | lxde has pcmanfm |
| 20:02.14 | sm00th | Iridos, lol |
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| 20:02.22 | Iridos | and I think I don't really like any file browser, which is why that didn't occur to me |
| 20:02.34 | Iridos | thanks, will try a bunch |
| 20:02.36 | teraflops | xD |
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| 20:02.52 | Iridos | it's 8G of aacs and about a 1000 files |
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| 20:04.25 | jhutchins | clementine is what I was trying to think of. The old kde 3.5 music program was pretty great for doing stuff like that. |
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| 20:05.06 | Iridos | ok, looking at that, too |
| 20:05.25 | Iridos | thanks |
| 20:05.47 | sm00th | jhutchins, amarok was the worst ever constantly crashing when adding big library or trying to shuffle big playlist. or just randomly lol |
| 20:05.54 | sm00th | ubuntu kde still has it as default. |
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| 20:07.10 | jhutchins | sm00th: WOrked great for me - in 3.5. Completely hosed (like most of KDE) in 4.x |
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| 20:09.45 | jhutchins | In fact, loosing the convenience and functions of amarok is one of the things that pushed me to streaming instead of playing my own stuff. |
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| 20:24.25 | antena-cli | My Nautilus is moving files to my USB stick instead of copying it. How to fix that issue? |
| 20:26.52 | jhutchins | antena-cli: shift click? Use the CLI. |
| 20:27.01 | LtL | antena-cli: cp them back then figure out why nautilus did that. |
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| 20:32.56 | radw62 | hello, somebody can help me for mout a nfsv3 share |
| 20:33.15 | greycat | As I told you before, mount -o vers=3 server:/directory /localdir |
| 20:33.16 | jhutchins | radw62: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 20:37.22 | radw62 | greycat: I did that, but dont worked: returns "mount.nfs: portmap query failed: RPC: Authentication error" |
| 20:37.57 | radw62 | jhutchins: I try to mount a nfsv3 share to a freenfs server (runnin in win7) |
| 20:38.06 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:38.22 | radw62 | freenfs dont need any authentication |
| 20:38.25 | greycat | So the client is Windows using some third party software? We can't help much with that. |
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| 20:38.55 | greycat | Does it work between two Debian systems? |
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| 20:39.39 | greycat | Is there anything useful logged on the Debian system? Perhaps your /etc/exports is wrong. |
| 20:39.59 | greycat | (Is the server even running Debian at all?) |
| 20:40.51 | radw62 | greycat: I can mount a nfs volume to the freenfs server in other clients (i.e vmware esxi ) |
| 20:41.36 | greycat | Fuck, the **SERVER** is Windows?!? |
| 20:41.39 | radw62 | I dont understand why it dont work, when debian is the client, |
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| 20:44.22 | MightyMooze | how do I install vboxdrv on debian? |
| 20:45.23 | MightyMooze | or do I just need to add it to /etc/modules? |
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| 20:47.07 | mtn | MightyMooze: debian does it for you when it installs vbox |
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| 20:57.39 | sm00th | debian was made by an American. |
| 20:57.44 | sm00th | remember that. |
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| 20:58.36 | iLogic | hey guys, i have a fresh debian 8.5 install and apt-get update hangs forever.. iâve tried cleaning apt lists, cache, apt-get clean all, new sources.. nothing works |
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| 20:59.18 | sm00th | iLogic, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-uptodate.en.html |
| 20:59.18 | greycat | How long is "forever", at what point does it "hang", and how much memory is in the computer? |
| 20:59.42 | sm00th | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 20:59.56 | markybob | sm00th: ian murdock was born in west germany...but okay |
| 21:00.09 | iLogic | should i stick with aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 21:00.12 | sm00th | markybob, he was an american citizen. |
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| 21:00.16 | sm00th | so okay. |
| 21:00.27 | sm00th | His parents were from Indiana, so ok. |
| 21:00.34 | markybob | sm00th: apparently #debian-oftopic was made for you |
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| 21:00.47 | sm00th | markybob, they just banned cause I'm pro american. |
| 21:00.50 | teraflops | markybob: xD |
| 21:00.53 | johnkeates | sm00th: Debian is as much American-made as America itself: it's not, the rest of the world and mostly Europe 'made' America |
| 21:00.55 | sm00th | so okay. |
| 21:00.58 | greycat | So you're looknig for more bans? |
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| 21:01.22 | sm00th | sm00th, debian is american made |
| 21:01.26 | sm00th | greycat, sure ban away.... |
| 21:01.36 | sm00th | johnkeates, debian is american made. |
| 21:01.42 | sm00th | johnkeates, so is the internet in general. |
| 21:01.43 | johnkeates | sm00th: nope |
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| 21:01.50 | sm00th | johnkeates, yep. |
| 21:01.50 | johnkeates | sm00th: nope |
| 21:01.53 | sm00th | johnkeates, america owns you |
| 21:01.54 | johnkeates | sm00th: nope |
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| 21:02.19 | teraflops | ok im going to exercise my right to ignore you |
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| 21:02.53 | johnkeates | i think smooth isn't as smooth as he thinks he is |
| 21:02.58 | greycat | Please drop it. |
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| 21:11.12 | unborn | :D |
| 21:12.41 | unborn | I usually use quietly ignore which works.. btw I aint seen those annoying plains today yet ;) |
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| 21:38.16 | gryffus | how do i report bug in a package without reportbug program? I don't have debian machine here |
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| 21:39.57 | babilen | gryffus: Just send a suitably formatted email to submit@bugs.debian.org -- See https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting for more information |
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| 21:41.24 | themill | What sort of bug are you reporting? |
| 21:41.41 | gryffus | babilen: ok |
| 21:41.46 | gryffus | themill: a typo in docs |
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| 21:41.57 | gryffus | themill: but major one |
| 21:41.59 | [SERB] | hello |
| 21:42.16 | babilen | gryffus: A major typu? |
| 21:43.35 | themill | "docs" is pretty vague |
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| 21:44.29 | gryffus | This file: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/dropbear.git/tree/debian/dropbear-initramfs.NEWS states that host keys are taken from /etc/initramfs-tools , but here: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/dropbear.git/tree/debian/dropbear-initramfs.preinst is clear that the hostkeys are moved/taken from /etc/dropbear-initramfs |
| 21:44.56 | gryffus | so there is a typo in dropbear-initramfs.NEWS |
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| 21:46.09 | johnkeates | aren't they symlinked? |
| 21:48.58 | gryffus | No |
| 21:49.08 | gryffus | the bug was introduced with this commit: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/dropbear.git/commit/?id=8af5b1482c16a30dbf07f3404e468f39fc738226 |
| 21:49.16 | gryffus | it can be seen there that it's a typo |
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| 21:50.38 | gryffus | the typo is in debian/changelog and debian/dropbear-initramfs.NEWS . |
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| 21:53.51 | gryffus | The files were moved from /etc/initramfs-tools/etc/dropbear to /etc/dropbear-initramfs and not to /etc/initramfs-tools as is stated in the docs. Also the docs are saying that the location has changed to move hostkeys out of /etc/initramfs-tools , so it makes sense |
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| 21:54.43 | ProfessorKaos64 | what channel, if not this one, would be the most appropriate to ask for advice on apt-pinning / preferences confs? |
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| 21:56.21 | themill | Your distro's main support channel |
| 21:56.59 | themill | gryffus: sure, so sending an email with those pseudoheaders as babilen described is the next step if you don't have reportbug |
| 21:57.48 | gryffus | themill: i can make a diff and send it with that email if it will help |
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| 21:59.05 | themill | Sure, attaching patches is always welcome |
| 21:59.53 | gryffus | themill: ok thanks for help |
| 22:00.04 | wachbirn | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 22:00.18 | themill | gryffus: no worries, thanks for contributing |
| 22:02.16 | wachbirn | if i set up a webserver without a gui how can i verify that apache is working properly "it works" without a webbrowser |
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| 22:05.16 | teraflops | wachbirn: sorry for my ignorance, how do I setup a web server with a GUI |
| 22:05.33 | TomTomTosch | wachbirn: you can type 'systemctl status apache2.service' to see if apache is running and the logs to find a reason if it's not. |
| 22:07.03 | TomTomTosch | or 'curl 127.0.0.1' to see the testpage if that is what you mean. |
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| 22:07.17 | miesco | ,v avidemux |
| 22:07.18 | judd | Package: avidemux on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.5.6-dmo6; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.6.8-dmo8; sid-multimedia: 1:2.6.12-dmo1 |
| 22:07.27 | miesco | jessie-multimedia? |
| 22:07.38 | TomTomTosch | ignore that one. |
| 22:08.13 | wachbirn | and you dont try a graphical webbrowser ever to confirm this. what about nameresolution ? |
| 22:08.29 | miesco | TomTomTosch: Me? |
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| 22:08.55 | TomTomTosch | yes, multimedia tends to break stuff. |
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| 22:10.33 | TomTomTosch | wachbirn: then test it from you phone or computer with DE or type curl <url> |
| 22:11.08 | teraflops | wachbirn: sure but the web browser does not need to be in the same machine, for dns use dig/host ⦠|
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| 22:11.41 | wachbirn | thanks |
| 22:13.44 | teraflops | wachbirn: and if you want ssl and free sane certificates I recommend letsencrypt |
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| 22:14.55 | teraflops | wachbirn: you can check your ssl configuration online with e.g https://www.ssllabs.com/ |
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| 22:18.07 | miesco | TomTomTosch: How do I cut off .25 seconds of my video? |
| 22:18.21 | teraflops | ffmpeg |
| 22:18.36 | miesco | teraflops: Really? |
| 22:18.47 | teraflops | yes |
| 22:19.50 | miesco | teraflops: Alright. I'll give it a shot. |
| 22:20.19 | teraflops | miesco: you dont even need to reencode the video |
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| 22:20.58 | TomTomTosch | or this> avconv -i input.avi -ss 00:00:00 -t <endtime> -codec copy output.avi |
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| 22:21.30 | teraflops | well ffmpeg/avconv |
| 22:21.42 | miesco | TomTomTosch: What if I want the end time to be the end of the video? |
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| 22:22.25 | TomTomTosch | then copy the file? or rephrase the question so i understand. |
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| 22:23.03 | TomTomTosch | the command above creates a cut. set start and end time as you wish. |
| 22:23.23 | miesco | TomTomTosch: I want the end time to be the end of the video |
| 22:23.40 | teraflops | miesco: ffmpeg/avconv^^ -ss $start_time -t $duration -i video |
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| 22:26.20 | miesco | teraflops: ffmpeg doesn't know $duration |
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| 22:26.40 | miesco | teraflops: And wouldn't that do bash variable expansion anyways if I didn't escape the $? |
| 22:26.41 | teraflops | miesco: you nned a real duration ^ |
| 22:26.48 | teraflops | need* |
| 22:26.53 | TomTomTosch | it may be -to in recent ffmpeg. check man ffmpeg if it supports it. |
| 22:27.54 | miesco | TomTomTosch: How do I know the exact millisecond of the start time? |
| 22:28.15 | teraflops | miesco: put the real time as in 00:51 10 or whatever or write a bloody script :P |
| 22:28.39 | TomTomTosch | you ask me from where you want to cut your video? |
| 22:28.57 | teraflops | ans yes it accepts variables if you write a script |
| 22:29.01 | teraflops | and* |
| 22:29.11 | miesco | I dont know... |
| 22:29.27 | miesco | I want to cut from second 4 to second 9 |
| 22:29.51 | miesco | I want that out |
| 22:30.27 | teraflops | miesco: http://ix.io/12PO |
| 22:31.40 | miesco | teraflops: Well I want to cut everything in between second 4 and second 0 |
| 22:31.44 | miesco | s/0/9 |
| 22:31.59 | teraflops | that's easy |
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| 22:32.45 | teraflops | you already know how to do it with all the stuff we wrote here |
| 22:32.56 | miesco | teraflops: I don't think so... |
| 22:33.11 | teraflops | oh |
| 22:33.38 | TomTomTosch | btw: ffmpeg -i <somefile> 2>&1 | grep -i duration to get the duration. |
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| 22:33.59 | miesco | ffmpeg -i file -ss 0.24 -to 4 -ss 9 -sseof 0 |
| 22:34.02 | miesco | that should do it |
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| 22:34.11 | teraflops | or mediainfo |
| 22:34.57 | miesco | teraflops: Wait how do you do it? |
| 22:35.02 | teraflops | what |
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| 22:35.26 | teraflops | miesco: mediainfo is for getting the duration aming other things from the video |
| 22:35.30 | teraflops | among* |
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| 22:36.13 | teraflops | ,v mediainfo |
| 22:36.15 | judd | Package: mediainfo on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.58-1; jessie: 0.7.70-1; stretch: 0.7.84-1; sid: 0.7.84-1 |
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| 22:37.55 | miesco | teraflops: I want to cut from second 4 to second 9, as I said twice already |
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| 22:38.28 | teraflops | miesco: and you want me to give you the exact command? |
| 22:38.49 | miesco | teraflops: You said I can do it with all the info here but I tried and it doesn't work |
| 22:38.52 | miesco | ffmpeg -i file -ss 0.24 -to 4 -ss 9 -sseof 0 |
| 22:39.09 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 22:39.18 | mtndew | do you ever use install -d in makefiles? |
| 22:39.25 | mtndew | all documentation seems to show installing each file one by one |
| 22:39.38 | mtndew | yet the man page shows a -d flag existing to do an entire directory at once |
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| 22:41.34 | TomTomTosch | miesco: that looks nothing like what was said in here. so you want to cut the middle bit out? you will have to do that in two steps. |
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| 22:44.58 | miesco | TomTomTosch: Two steps? |
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| 22:46.00 | miesco | TomTomTosch: I feel like its encoding every time |
| 22:46.33 | TomTomTosch | it probably is. i gave you an example above. |
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| 22:48.05 | miesco | Oh I see |
| 22:48.34 | TomTomTosch | ffmpeg -i input_file -t 4 output1 -ss 9 -to output2 -codec copy |
| 22:49.32 | TomTomTosch | then you have to combine the two outputs with concat. it's easy enough to find on the internet. |
| 22:49.45 | TomTomTosch | then you should have the start and the end bit. |
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| 22:50.30 | teraflops | miesco: http://ix.io/12Qd |
| 22:51.16 | teraflops | cut from secon 4 to second 9 right? |
| 22:51.36 | TomTomTosch | or maybe cut it out? i wasn't sure what he meant anymore. |
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| 22:52.17 | sl4v3 | can anyone help me debug a PHP-FPM configuration problem? |
| 22:52.39 | cafuego | Maybe. What's the problem? |
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| 22:52.57 | teraflops | oh wait, drop from the video from second 4 to second 9? |
| 22:53.05 | sl4v3 | cafuego: ah, i have a meeting in 8 minutes, but here goes. |
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| 22:53.24 | teraflops | I really need to go to bed ^ |
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| 22:53.49 | miesco | teraflops: Cut it out |
| 22:53.50 | sl4v3 | cafuego: include(/usr/local/apache2/htdocs/includes/config/config_vars.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/html/dev/manage/config_vars.php on line 3 |
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| 22:54.04 | sl4v3 | cafuego: so, i'm using apache and php:fpm docker containers. |
| 22:54.05 | miesco | 06:29pm miesco | I want that out |
| 22:54.16 | teraflops | yeah I got it now sorry |
| 22:54.40 | miesco | Hmm. When I type `-c copy` it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 22:54.45 | sl4v3 | cafuego: the apache container requires that everything be placed at /usr/local/apache2/... (e.g. htdocs, dev, others) and the php:fpm module puts everything at /var/www/html/... (e.g. htdocs, dev, others) |
| 22:55.20 | sl4v3 | cafuego: so i'm wondering if it's even possible, provided all of the files are located at their proper respective roots, to share files between fast-cgi "projects." |
| 22:55.44 | sl4v3 | cafuego: i think i see why this isn't working maybe... |
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| 22:55.58 | cafuego | sl4v3: You can just map an overridden config file into one of the containers, so they'll share the location. |
| 22:56.31 | sl4v3 | cafuego: i have a global variable that sets the root folder, and i'd changed that to be appropriate for the apache layout, but really, it should be the php:fpm layout instead. |
| 22:57.04 | teraflops | miesco: well http://superuser.com/questions/681885/how-can-i-remove-multiple-segments-from-a-video-using-ffmpeg |
| 22:57.14 | teraflops | trim filter |
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| 22:59.01 | sl4v3 | cafuego: ah, but it's getting it from $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'], which is an apache configuration. k. ima gonna have to make apache use the same folder. |
| 22:59.14 | sl4v3 | cafuego: thanks for the help! |
| 22:59.41 | cafuego | sl4v3: no wuccas |
| 23:00.14 | miesco | teraflops: Nah I will just combine them |
| 23:00.55 | teraflops | hmm trim looks like it does what you want |
| 23:01.13 | miesco | teraflops: Yea but too much typing |
| 23:01.18 | teraflops | heh |
| 23:01.44 | gryffus | do i get some confirmation about bug reported to submit@bugs.debian.org ? |
| 23:01.45 | teraflops | so concat filter |
| 23:01.53 | teraflops | ffmpeg is amazing |
| 23:02.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought he wanted to have second 4 to second 9 in a new video file |
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| 23:04.47 | miesco | Man, I type "-ss 4", then I try "--s 8", results are the same... |
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| 23:05.50 | miesco | --s 8* |
| 23:05.53 | miesco | -ss 8* |
| 23:06.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that the avconv in jessie? |
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| 23:06.56 | mtndew | my deb package I'm building is installing all the files I want, but the package doesn't know that it's tracking them |
| 23:06.57 | miesco | CutMeOwnThroat: its ffmpeg in jessie |
| 23:07.04 | mtndew | dpkg -L shows none of the files, but they're installed |
| 23:07.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflops, ffmpeg never worked for me.... avconv is the first ffmpegish thing that did |
| 23:07.05 | dpkg | No packages found matching shows none of the files, but they're installed |
| 23:07.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, but... |
| 23:07.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions ffmpeg |
| 23:07.49 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-2+deb7u2; jessie-backports: 7:3.0.2-4~bpo8+1; sid: 7:3.0.2-4; stretch: 7:3.0.2-4; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: |
| 23:07.51 | judd | 10:3.1.1-dmo1 |
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| 23:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not in jessie |
| 23:08.13 | miesco | CutMeOwnThroat: Jessie backports |
| 23:08.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in jessie_backports |
| 23:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... but backports isn't real jessie anymore |
| 23:08.55 | miesco | ,v avconv |
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| 23:08.56 | judd | No package named 'avconv' was found in amd64. |
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| 23:09.14 | miesco | CutMeOwnThroat: Hey there isn't an avconv in jessie |
| 23:09.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is... it's in libav-tools |
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| 23:10.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it the ffmpeg from backports conflicts with it, iirc |
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| 23:10.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway... if I read the manpage of avconv... I see why you have the problem and what the solution is |
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| 23:11.51 | miesco | CutMeOwnThroat: You can't seek accurately in ffmpeg and have to use another video editor? |
| 23:12.39 | miesco | "Note that in most formats it is not possible to seek exactly" |
| 23:12.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | shall I copy and paste it here? |
| 23:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | it goes on! |
| 23:13.33 | miesco | '-accurate_seek'? |
| 23:13.41 | miesco | ffmpeg -y -i output.mp4 -accurate_seek -ss 8 -sseof 0 -codec copy end.mp4 |
| 23:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems so |
| 23:14.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I am not sure if you can use copy |
| 23:15.12 | TomTomTosch | i'm not sure you can use sseof to set the end position. |
| 23:15.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | the codec/container it chooses for outfile.mkv seems pretty good |
| 23:15.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and let's rephrase: pretty sure you cannot use a copy codec if you want to cut between keyframes |
| 23:16.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | because that automatically means there are bits you have to re-encode |
| 23:16.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... starting with new key-frames |
| 23:17.36 | miesco | TomTomTosch: No. `-ss` does not work. |
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| 23:18.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno.. I have some more complicated script that I found on a webpage maybe 5 or more years ago |
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| 23:19.04 | miesco | Well it might work without -copy OR -accurate_seek |
| 23:19.12 | miesco | TomTomTosch: But that means it has to reencode each time |
| 23:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and with that I could cut off something in no time... mmh, but come to think of it, I wanted to cut off starting from the first key frame anyway |
| 23:19.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | miesco, it *has* to re-encode if you cut between key frames |
| 23:19.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | as i just said |
| 23:20.23 | miesco | CutMeOwnThroat: Yea I know, it just takes a long time |
| 23:20.36 | miesco | So I don't know how convenient it will be for a video editor |
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| 23:21.09 | p000 | Anyone here using firefox-esr? The minimum required version of Flash for this video is 11.8.0. Your current version is 11.2.202. |
| 23:21.18 | p000 | I have flashplugin-nonfree installed (debian jessie) |
| 23:21.24 | p000 | the package is up to date |
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| 23:22.01 | TomTomTosch | most video editors probably use some representation in the preview and only encode once you export. |
| 23:23.29 | miesco | TomTomTosch: Yea I need one of those. You heard of melt? |
| 23:23.31 | miesco | ,v melt |
| 23:23.32 | judd | Package: melt on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.5.6+git20100727-1; wheezy: 0.8.0-4; jessie: 0.9.2-2; sid: 6.2.0-1; stretch: 6.2.0-1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:0.8.8-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.9.6-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:6.2.0-dmo2 |
| 23:23.56 | TomTomTosch | nope, i don't do much multimedia stuff. |
| 23:24.11 | p000 | ,v flashplayer-nonfree |
| 23:24.12 | judd | No package named 'flashplayer-nonfree' was found in amd64. |
| 23:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | p000, guess you ran update-flashplugin-nonfree with that version... |
| 23:25.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, no, that's not clear... newest is 11.2.202.626 |
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| 23:25.16 | p000 | =[ |
| 23:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | p000, versions > 11.2.202.xxx only exist on windows? |
| 23:25.25 | p000 | darn |
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| 23:27.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, have you tried chromium/chrome? |
| 23:27.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, flash |
| 23:27.41 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 23:27.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg pepper flash |
| 23:27.44 | dpkg | Pepper Flash Player is a proprietary <flash> plugin included with the Google Chrome web browser. The pepperflashplugin-nonfree Debian package can be used to install this plugin for the <Chromium> browser, ask me about <contrib>. https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer |
| 23:28.13 | p000 | yeah i tried chrome as well |
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| 23:28.35 | p000 | xfinity must use some form of encrypted video which isnt supported |
| 23:28.47 | p000 | ie silverlight |
| 23:29.05 | p000 | i know netflix works with chrome via html5 EME |
| 23:29.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | the thing with flash not being developed for linux is not news, rather olds: http://www.howtogeek.com/193876/using-firefox-on-linux-your-flash-player-is-old-and-outdated/ |
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| 23:29.53 | p000 | meh i hope html5 just flat out replaces it one day |
| 23:29.54 | miesco | I'll try kdenlive |
| 23:29.59 | N0Lif3_ | is there a on-screen keyboard program in Debian's repositories? |
| 23:30.38 | mutante | the + button next to the tabs in Firefox is gone all of a sudden for me |
| 23:31.00 | TomTomTosch | ,i matchbox-keyboard |
| 23:31.01 | judd | Package matchbox-keyboard (embedded, optional) in jessie/amd64: on-screen keyboard. Version: 0.1+svn20080916-10; Size: 31.1k; Installed: 155k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/matchbox-keyboard |
| 23:32.20 | TomTomTosch | ^ N0Lif3_ |
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| 23:33.50 | N0Lif3_ | thanks |
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| 23:38.01 | jmcnaught | N0Lif3_: GNOME also has an onscreen keyboard and other accessibility features |
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| 23:39.59 | N0Lif3_ | this is bizarre. so I just got my CHIP pc. This little tiny Raspberry Pi-like board pc and it runs a build of Debian by default. I'm looking at the /etc/apt/sources.list file listing the repositories and it does in-fact have debian repositories listed, but some common stuff isn't showing up at all when I try to install it. |
| 23:40.20 | N0Lif3_ | Unable to locate package matchbox-keyboard |
| 23:40.35 | N0Lif3_ | Unable to locate package screen |
| 23:40.37 | TomTomTosch | so it's raspbian? |
| 23:40.45 | N0Lif3_ | that's right. |
| 23:40.48 | N0Lif3_ | Unable to locate package irssi |
| 23:41.07 | N0Lif3_ | i'm connected to it right now on my main machine via ssh |
| 23:41.09 | TomTomTosch | then the channel you seek is #raspbian |
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| 23:44.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it, though, if they're debian archives and only those |
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| 23:47.00 | N0Lif3_ | CutMeOwnThroat: this is what my sources.list file looks like http://i.imgur.com/u4n8i4l.jpg |
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| 23:52.54 | miesco | Okay I have come to the conclusion that I need avidemux to cut my video up |
| 23:53.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | CutMeOwnVideo? |
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| 23:54.17 | miesco | Everyone says to use deb-multimedia to get avidemux... |
| 23:55.11 | TomTomTosch | don't listen to the other kids. |
| 23:55.16 | TomTomTosch | !deb-multimedia |
| 23:55.16 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 23:57.39 | miesco | Actually, I don't even need to edit my video... |
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| 23:58.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it only one or several, anyway |
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| 23:59.15 | miesco | CutMeOwnThroat: No man, its my only video |
