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| 00:01.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | N0Lif3_, what's the nextthing.co thingy |
| 00:01.34 | TomTomTosch | what about openshot? |
| 00:01.44 | miesco | TomTomTosch: It didn't let me cut stuff |
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| 00:02.07 | TomTomTosch | ah? that's a bad feature to miss for a video editor. |
| 00:04.18 | N0Lif3_ | CutMeOwnThroat: they are the people who made it |
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| 00:04.31 | N0Lif3_ | I figured it out. I was silly and forgot to apt-get update |
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| 00:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^^ |
| 00:05.34 | asterismo | hi |
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| 00:05.40 | N0Lif3|CHIP | Host 'chip', running Linux 4.3.0-ntc - Cpu0: ARMv7 Processor rev; Up: 44 min; Users: 2; Load: 0.47; Free: [Mem: 4/495 Mio] [Swap: 0/0 Mio]; Vpenis: 24.1 cm; |
| 00:05.44 | asterismo | do i have a problem with system ca-certificates? |
| 00:05.46 | asterismo | http://paste.debian.net/780485/ |
| 00:05.51 | N0Lif3|CHIP | a real powerhouse |
| 00:05.55 | asterismo | i tried to reinstall them and i got this output |
| 00:06.22 | TomTomTosch | miesco: openshot has a scissors tool. it lets you cut tracks into pieces, then you can remove pieces. |
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| 00:07.18 | miesco | TomTomTosch: Yea, but if I want to cut from 0 to 0.5, how do I do that? |
| 00:07.46 | miesco | TomTomTosch: It goes from 023 miliseconds to 1 second instead of 024... |
| 00:07.49 | TomTomTosch | you scroll very far in and hope to hit exactly the right spot. |
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| 00:14.25 | miesco | TomTomTosch: I was looking for something that would tell me the position of what I am selecting to cut |
| 00:14.28 | miesco | Which avidemux does |
| 00:14.46 | miesco | I don't think avidemux even needs a project, you can just trim a video |
| 00:15.31 | asterismo | anyone? |
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| 00:17.20 | plasmoduck | is it possible to copy a OS X install image onto usb in Debian and if so how? |
| 00:17.41 | plasmoduck | I need to make a bootable Mavericks install usb with the dmg |
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| 00:18.47 | plasmoduck | Actually the file is called "Install OS X Mavericks.app" |
| 00:20.05 | sypher | plasmoduck: That doesn't work how you think it works, and that's probably pretty off-topic here anyway. |
| 00:20.30 | plasmoduck | sypher, I'm using Debian to try and make it. |
| 00:20.48 | sypher | plasmoduck: That doesn't make it Debian-relevant. |
| 00:21.16 | sypher | plasmoduck: You're ACTUALLY asking how to convert a Mac app package into a bootable USB, the platform you're using isn't really relevant to whether this is the right place ask. |
| 00:21.22 | plasmoduck | sypher, I thought is Debian support for ALL things relating to Debian. |
| 00:21.47 | plasmoduck | There is help for creating OTHER distro usbs and Windows. |
| 00:22.19 | plasmoduck | I doubt anyone in #apple or #mac would know anything about doing this in Linux |
| 00:22.46 | sypher | plasmoduck: Given that OS X is a Unix distro, they would probably have a far better idea of how the app bundle is structured. |
| 00:23.08 | mutante | i dont have an opinion on it, but like half of this channel is people argueing over stuff being on-topic or off-topic |
| 00:23.23 | plasmoduck | ^ |
| 00:25.33 | stoimenow | why dont u try to use dmg2img |
| 00:25.35 | sypher | mutante: That would probably decrease significantly if people tried to respect the purpose and topic of IRC channels, instead of expecting people to cater to them. |
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| 00:28.41 | plasmoduck | I found this, looks like a lot of work though http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/293168-guide-how-to-make-a-bootable-os-x-109-mavericks-usb-install-drive-on-linux/ |
| 00:29.13 | mutante | sypher: yes, that sounds accurate |
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| 01:58.32 | TurBoss | Hi |
| 01:58.56 | TurBoss | I can't manage to find or install the package 'libsys-meminfo-perl' under debian jessie |
| 01:59.01 | TurBoss | apt shows E: Package 'libsys-meminfo-perl' has no installation candidate |
| 01:59.06 | TurBoss | any ideas? |
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| 02:00.30 | markybob | TurBoss: it's not in jessie. only stretch/sid |
| 02:00.42 | TurBoss | this is posterior? |
| 02:01.03 | TurBoss | ok thx |
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| 02:02.08 | TurBoss | ok i'll build from perl |
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| 02:06.38 | PryMar56 | TurBoss, dh-make-perl <-- grabs from CPAN & makes the *.deb |
| 02:06.57 | TurBoss | doing it thx! |
| 02:07.15 | TurBoss | following this https://debian-administration.org/article/78/Building_Debian_packages_of_Perl_modules |
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| 02:12.34 | k_sze[work] | Is there a way I can get a frozen list of packages with their exact versions, kinda like Python's pip freeze? |
| 02:13.10 | k_sze[work] | So that I can easily install the exact same packages on another machine. |
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| 02:43.19 | k_sze[work] | Looks like apt-clone is the answer. |
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| 02:49.37 | dvs | thought it was "dpkg get-selections" and "dpkg --set-selections" |
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| 03:11.15 | k_sze[work] | dvs: dpkg --get-selections doesn't include the exact version information, only the package names. |
| 03:11.24 | dvs | ah |
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| 03:17.17 | _Moomin_ | has anyone tested that Deepin distro (based on Debian)? it seems interesting, but their servers are super-slow to download it |
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| 03:34.20 | _Moomin_ | it said that i needed to wait over a day to download it... and it's a smaller iso than windows 10 iso from MS's website... but for windows 10 i think it took about an hour to download it |
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| 03:35.52 | arthurw | have u tried a nearer mirror |
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| 03:49.06 | mi11k1 | What's the best window manager to use for webkit or webian or something like that? |
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| 03:58.13 | bugnuts | im having a little trouble with syntax, i cant for the life of me figure it out |
| 03:58.24 | bugnuts | user@the99d:/$ setfacl -m u:apache2:rx /home |
| 03:58.27 | bugnuts | setfacl: Option -m: Invalid argument near character 3 |
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| 04:00.42 | bugnuts | it should work, i think accodring to man/help |
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| 04:40.41 | bugnuts | *sigh* |
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| 04:46.14 | bugnuts | in case anyone is intrested, the fix is |
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| 04:46.57 | plasm0duck | . |
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| 04:47.49 | bugnuts | or whatever is set in /etc/apache2/envvars |
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| 07:35.53 | mdnlover | I have two ethernet cable connected to my computer I want to use internet from second cable but I cant what to do to set second ethernet as default? |
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| 07:44.48 | orlock | mdnlover: route or ip |
| 07:44.56 | orlock | mdnlover: man both |
| 07:45.25 | mdnlover | I dont know which but only one of them has Internet connection |
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| 08:37.29 | cesurasean | how do i grep all my files in /home for include '../, and change it to include './ |
| 08:38.24 | cesurasean | how do i grep all my files in /home for include '../, and change it to include './ |
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| 08:40.22 | veggi3s0 | hi, why did debian start using systemd instead of system v if it was such a controvery? ius it a big issue or does it really matter if you are not a system or network admin hosting other users? |
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| 08:41.13 | sylence | Hi! I'm somehow out of ideas. Got a few Debian 8 boxes here (minimal installation + lxc, no containers running) that all show the same behaviour: I can't install, update or even administrate much, because systemd does refuse connections. journalctl -xe says "Too many concurrent connections, refusing" on each systemctl call. Any idea how to debug this? There is nothing running on the box despite the default |
| 08:41.18 | sylence | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:42.40 | veek | anyone use autokey? i can't get hotkey working. |
| 08:43.02 | veek | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/autokey-users/D2ISML1uXh8 |
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| 08:45.10 | Minnebo | hello, Im having an issue on a debian without GUI. I want to install vmtools, so I have initiated that, but I don't have /dev/cdrom (or anything like ità |
| 08:46.12 | unborn | veggi3s0: because it does. |
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| 08:57.24 | vlt | Minnebo: How did you install vmtools? Via `apt install open-vm-tools`? What error message does this command show you? |
| 08:57.42 | Minnebo | ha no I was trying to install vmtools through the cdrom |
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| 08:58.00 | Minnebo | i'll try your cmd |
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| 08:59.07 | Minnebo | open vm tools already the newest |
| 08:59.08 | Minnebo | nvm |
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| 08:59.19 | Minnebo | i'll disable the check of my monitoring system :) |
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| 09:05.02 | mdnlover | which package contains nmcli command? |
| 09:05.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell mdnlover -about apt-file |
| 09:05.33 | mdnlover | looks like dpkg is absent :-) |
| 09:05.40 | babilen | mdnlover: "apt-file search -x "bin/nmcli$" |
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| 09:05.47 | mdnlover | there is not apt-file |
| 09:05.50 | babilen | mdnlover: No, it sent you a private message |
| 09:05.58 | babilen | mdnlover: Do you have it installed? |
| 09:06.04 | mdnlover | I guess no |
| 09:06.24 | mdnlover | installing... |
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| 09:06.43 | mdnlover | is it necessary to prepend 'bin/' before command name? |
| 09:06.44 | babilen | Install it and run run "apt-file update" as root before "apt-file search -x "bin/nmcli$"" |
| 09:07.11 | mdnlover | yes running update |
| 09:07.28 | babilen | mdnlover: No, it is not. That regular expression is simply a more specific match. If you were to just search for "nmcli" you'd probably get matches on a number of other files also. |
| 09:07.48 | mdnlover | ok |
| 09:07.50 | babilen | But try it. Compare "apt-file search nmcli" to "apt-file search bin/nmcli" |
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| 09:08.30 | mdnlover | cannot update 'failed to connect', but my internet is working :-/ |
| 09:08.35 | babilen | I typically add the "$" to prevent matching commands/filenames of which my current query might be a substring |
| 09:09.04 | babilen | Maybe your mirror is down? |
| 09:09.15 | mdnlover | could be |
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| 09:09.56 | babilen | Either way. Unsurprisingly you are looking for the "network-manager" package. |
| 09:10.10 | babilen | (just thought I show you how to gather that information yourself0 |
| 09:10.33 | Hayg25 | Hi evrybody, any advice / help to install gcc4.7 on jessie ? |
| 09:11.11 | mdnlover | babilen: I have network manager installed, maybe things are little different on raspbian :-) |
| 09:11.25 | babilen | dpkg: raspbian |
| 09:11.25 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 09:11.43 | babilen | mdnlover: Ask them ^^ we don't support it for technical and social reasons in this channel |
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| 09:12.47 | mdnlover | babilen: yes, now I have to, I asked here mainly because it is debian based ... |
| 09:13.18 | mdnlover | babilen: thanks anyway :-) |
| 09:13.47 | babilen | mdnlover: This channel supports *only* Debian unfortunately (or fortunately for us?) |
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| 09:27.08 | unborn | I did not received updates so much is that normal? |
| 09:27.51 | unborn | aha had to used terminal |
| 09:28.03 | unborn | strange |
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| 09:54.18 | Hayg25 | hello. |
| 09:54.48 | Hayg25 | how could I iinstall gcc4.7 on whezzy ? |
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| 09:55.52 | p0rt | Hayg25: Probably from source |
| 09:56.06 | Hayg25 | no deb file ? |
| 09:56.18 | TomTomTo1 | ,v gcc-4.7 |
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| 09:56.19 | judd | Package: gcc-4.7 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.7.2-5 |
| 09:56.25 | TomTomTo1 | ^ Hayg25 there is. |
| 09:56.39 | babilen | "apt-get install gcc-4.7" might be a start |
| 09:56.48 | mapm | Hello, do I need an i386 architecture debian instance for a i686 CPU? |
| 09:57.03 | babilen | Which CPU exactly? |
| 09:57.04 | p0rt | mapm: yeah |
| 09:57.09 | mapm | p0rt, thanks! |
| 09:57.10 | Hayg25 | 64 bit |
| 09:57.22 | mapm | it is intes centrino |
| 09:57.26 | mapm | intel centrino |
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| 09:57.35 | babilen | Some of them would support amd64 |
| 09:57.40 | Bensolo | Whats up my Debian Brothers? |
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| 09:57.51 | p0rt | babilen: I don't think it's a good idea though. |
| 09:57.52 | mapm | ok thanks guys! |
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| 09:58.05 | p0rt | babilen: Pentium 4 supports amd64 IIRC |
| 09:58.41 | teclo- | p0rt: really ? |
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| 09:58.57 | babilen | Yeah, hence my question as to which processor it is. The decision which architecture to install might then be relatively straightforward and it is likely that "i386" is the answer we arrive at anyway |
| 09:58.57 | teclo- | seems to me Pentium 4 only knows 32-bit |
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| 09:59.22 | p0rt | teclo-: Yeah, you can install 64bit system on it. |
| 09:59.28 | napnap | Hi all. If anyone can help me to install debian on usb stick with serial output... I've made much try without success... This time I tried this : http://yy27.blogspot.fr/2015/02/installing-debian-wheezy-from-usb-over.html |
| 09:59.52 | babilen | teclo-: Some of them support x86_64 |
| 10:00.15 | napnap | and I take : "Error : No configuration file found" "No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!" |
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| 10:01.03 | napnap | I run under ubuntu right now, so the command "install-mbr" and "syslinux" come from ubuntu...I don't know if it's a problem... |
| 10:01.05 | saunamees | Can fake or mocked LDAP be setup for developmet ? ( Django project ) |
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| 10:01.58 | napnap | and the diff between the link and me, I put in syslinux.cfg "console=ttyS0,115200n8" instead of ""console=ttyS0,96008n" |
| 10:02.56 | teclo- | p0rt, babilen: ah thank you, sorry, didn't know |
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| 10:03.05 | babilen | No problem |
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| 10:47.38 | ottomotif | Hello, on Debian Stretch there is no Touchpad option in 'Mouse Settings' under X11, Under Wayland session there is but no option for "tap to click". Pls help. thanks in advanced |
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| 10:53.24 | petn-randall | !testing |
| 10:53.24 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 10:53.33 | petn-randall | ottomotif: ^^^ |
| 10:53.59 | petn-randall | Oh wait, a better factoid: |
| 10:54.02 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 10:54.02 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:54.18 | ottomotif | petn-randall: oh thanks |
| 10:54.45 | petn-randall | ottomotif: You're welcome. See you there. |
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| 11:13.51 | bodqhrohro | Package gnuplot-tex does not have corresponding gnuplot5-tex successor. Are tex bindings included to another package or not available for gnuplot5 for now? |
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| 11:18.57 | _aeris_ | hello #debian |
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| 11:19.42 | _aeris_ | iâm running kde5 from testing, and since few days, k menu and krunner donât work : if you type something, nothing is display |
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| 11:19.59 | _aeris_ | and in krunner, <enter> does nothing too |
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| 11:27.38 | Actionparsnip | hey guys |
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| 11:28.09 | Actionparsnip | does Debian keep groups outside of /etc/groups ? |
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| 11:30.22 | Actionparsnip | Trying to add a user to a group, it doesnt exits in /etc/group but if you run: getend group web then it shows |
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| 11:37.16 | x4u3n | Actionparsnip, ldap users and groups? |
| 11:38.02 | x4u3n | Actionparsnip, check /etc/pam.d/login or smb.cfg |
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| 11:38.37 | x4u3n | check with wbinfo -u,wbinfo -g |
| 11:38.58 | x4u3n | maybe order is not correct: /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 11:39.03 | x4u3n | sorry my english |
| 11:39.50 | Actionparsnip | x4u3n: http://pastie.org/10904964 |
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| 11:40.18 | TheDudeo | Yo, guys. |
| 11:40.26 | x4u3n | what happen when you do getent passwd |
| 11:40.27 | Actionparsnip | x4u3n: http://pastie.org/10904966 |
| 11:40.28 | x4u3n | ? |
| 11:40.32 | TheDudeo | Whenever I play this game, my plasma crashs. |
| 11:40.38 | TheDudeo | How do I report it? |
| 11:41.02 | TheDudeo | OpenRA! |
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| 11:42.04 | Actionparsnip | x4u3n: http://pastie.org/10904968 |
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| 11:42.32 | TheDudeo | Itâs only since Stretch. |
| 11:42.36 | x4u3n | UKLE is domain o machine? |
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| 11:42.58 | x4u3n | Actionparsnip, try getent group |
| 11:43.30 | sypher | Actionparsnip: I'd like to see the contents of /etc/ldap/ldap.conf, minus anything that might be a password. |
| 11:43.48 | Actionparsnip | x4u3n: http://pastie.org/10904969 |
| 11:44.27 | Actionparsnip | sypher: http://pastie.org/10904971 interesting |
| 11:44.33 | Actionparsnip | seems to be tied into AD |
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| 11:45.07 | sypher | Actionparsnip: I suspected as much. That or you had some kind of IdM solution running, like Centrify or PowerBroker. |
| 11:45.28 | x4u3n | Actionparsnip, try sudo grpck |
| 11:45.46 | x4u3n | grpck - verify integrity of group files |
| 11:46.16 | sypher | His group files are most likely fine. It's just pulling from ldap. |
| 11:46.20 | x4u3n | try to delete group and create it again if its possible |
| 11:46.47 | Actionparsnip | x4u3n: http://pastie.org/10904972 I said n to stuff |
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| 11:49.17 | Drzacek | Hello. I just installed task-kde-desktop, and switched from lxde to plasma. Searching with Alt+F2 doesnt work now. Any fix for that? |
| 11:49.41 | Drzacek | I looked at the setting, and all boxes are checked (Activities, Applications etc) |
| 11:50.29 | x4u3n | Actionparsnip, id -G |
| 11:50.29 | x4u3n | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:52.22 | Actionparsnip | x4u3n: id -G (as root) outputs: 0 27 |
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| 11:52.35 | x4u3n | Actionparsnip, normally with getent group GROUPNAME and groups USERNAME you can check group |
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| 11:52.57 | x4u3n | Actionparsnip, check id 0 and 27 in /etc/group |
| 11:52.58 | sypher | x4u3n: It's an ldap group. |
| 11:53.06 | sypher | x4u3n: He needs to add the user to the group at the ldap source. |
| 11:53.06 | x4u3n | i think so |
| 11:53.21 | sypher | x4u3n: No, it is. |
| 11:53.41 | sypher | x4u3n: Just had a chat with him to verify config and so forth. |
| 11:53.58 | sypher | x4u3n: The system sees that his 'web' group has members, which means its getting that data from ldap. |
| 11:54.44 | x4u3n | Actionparsnip, i'm agree with sypher, add user to LDAP web group to show it with groups command |
| 11:55.52 | x4u3n | Actionparsnip, contact with your domain administrator. |
| 11:56.40 | Actionparsnip | x4u3n: thats me :) |
| 11:57.01 | Actionparsnip | x4u3n: its some new thing Ive never met before an dI'm trying to run with it |
| 11:59.27 | ws2k3 | anyone an idea howmany cpu cores this cpu has? http://ark.intel.com/products/64588/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2609-10M-Cache-2_40-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI im realy confused is it 8 or 16 cores? |
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| 12:00.51 | sypher | ws2k3: Neither. It's a 4-core CPU. |
| 12:01.21 | ws2k3 | sypher so its 4 cores 4 threads right? (total of 8?) |
| 12:01.25 | sypher | ws2k3: No. |
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| 12:01.36 | ws2k3 | sypher then what is? |
| 12:01.41 | sypher | ws2k3: 1 thread per core. 4 cores. Total. |
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| 12:01.52 | Actionparsnip | thanks for the pointers x4u3n I'll sort this on the DC :) |
| 12:02.27 | ws2k3 | sypher ur absolutely sure? |
| 12:02.34 | sypher | ws2k3: Compare to something that's hyper-threaded (2 threads per core): http://ark.intel.com/products/80807/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_40-GHz?q=i7-4790k |
| 12:02.35 | Olof_szary | Hello. I have problem booting/installing debian. I have LVM-on-RAID5, single group containing boot and root |
| 12:02.56 | sypher | ws2k3: Yes, I am absolutely sure. |
| 12:02.56 | Eurac | I have been usung Ubuntu for some years now, sometimes Mint but these both have stability and security issues, I am no expert with Linux Distros and am looking for advice. Should I be using Debian, I play a few games, write and Do some delevoping, mostly art, for 3D games project. Just looking for some pointers. |
| 12:03.07 | ws2k3 | sypher cause i installed xenserver on this machine and xenserver tells me its 8 cores :P |
| 12:03.17 | Olof_szary | additionaly, I have 1MB /dev/sda2 partition with bios boot flag. But grub is unable to find /boot |
| 12:03.21 | sypher | ws2k3: Do you have two CPUs in it? |
| 12:03.34 | ws2k3 | sypher doesnt seem so |
| 12:03.36 | sypher | ws2k3: Typically, E5 series Xeons are for dual-socket motherboards. |
| 12:03.39 | teraflops | ws2k3: also cpuinfo |
| 12:04.08 | ws2k3 | sypher http://pastebin.com/N7tvUHuN |
| 12:04.13 | sypher | ws2k3: It's also possible that you linked to the wrong Ark page. Xeons have versions. |
| 12:04.26 | sypher | ws2k3: Yup, that's exactly what you did. |
| 12:04.42 | sypher | ws2k3: See the "v2" in the model name? |
| 12:04.55 | teraflops | cpustat or less /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 12:05.07 | ws2k3 | sypher teraflops http://ark.intel.com/products/75787/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2609-v2-10M-Cache-2_50-GHz this should be it |
| 12:05.28 | sypher | ws2k3: Same answer, though. 4 core, 1 thread per core, 4 threads total. |
| 12:05.31 | ws2k3 | teraflops http://pastebin.com/N7tvUHuN pastebin of my /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:05.46 | sypher | ws2k3: And you can see from /proc/cpuinfo that it only sees four. processor IDs 0 through 3. |
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| 12:06.05 | teraflops | ws2k3: hey please do not use pastebin.com |
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| 12:07.03 | teraflops | ws2k3: also cpustat for a quick view |
| 12:07.14 | ws2k3 | teraflops http://paste.debian.net/780583/ |
| 12:07.18 | teraflops | thanks |
| 12:07.58 | ws2k3 | teraflops cpustat not found(xenserver is the OS) but i could not find another channel where they would advice me on the cpu cores count |
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| 12:09.33 | ws2k3 | teraflops can you confirm what sypher says? 4 cores 4 threads = 4 total? |
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| 12:10.12 | teraflops | ws2k3: you have lscpu there? |
| 12:10.28 | ws2k3 | teraflops i checked but unfortualy not |
| 12:10.32 | teraflops | ^ |
| 12:11.18 | sypher | ws2k3: Your OS has already told you as much. Not really sure what's left to confirm, here. |
| 12:11.19 | teraflops | i cannot believe that ^ |
| 12:11.32 | ws2k3 | is it not 4 cores + 4 threads = 8 total? |
| 12:11.35 | teraflops | sypher: I meant to ws2k3 |
| 12:11.46 | ws2k3 | sypher you sad total 4. xenserver tells me total of 8 |
| 12:11.49 | sypher | teraflops: lol, I know |
| 12:11.55 | Falc | I'm having some issues with a relatively new debian jessie installation: I didn't seem to have the standard task installed (nor was it available in the tasksel menu...), so I did that manually, mainly because I need exim so cron can send log emails. Now exim does send emails to root@host, I can find them stored in /var/mail/mail, but when I start mail, it tells me there's no mail for root... |
| 12:11.57 | ws2k3 | sypher that why i wanne be absolutely sure |
| 12:12.00 | teraflops | ws2k3: do you have htop or not? ;P |
| 12:12.10 | sypher | ws2k3: /proc/cpuinfo also tells you 4. Intel Ark tells you 4. |
| 12:12.27 | ws2k3 | teraflops nope |
| 12:12.50 | teraflops | ws2k3: well, is that xen thing a linux or a joke? |
| 12:13.11 | sypher | teraflops: Citrix XenServer? Uhh... :P |
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| 12:13.12 | ws2k3 | teraflops its centos 5(stripped version made by citrix) |
| 12:13.22 | teraflops | no ideas but looks terrible |
| 12:13.48 | ws2k3 | teraflops it works great ^^ |
| 12:13.51 | sypher | ws2k3: Anyway, all joking aside, you have a four-core non-HyperThreading CPU. You have four cores, and a single thread per core. What Xen says isn't really my problem. |
| 12:13.53 | Iridos | Eurac, it depends... because the packages in debian-stable only ever get bug fix updates, never version updates, they may be too old for your purposes... the advantage of the system is, that playing in updates very rarely break something... which means the time spent on fixing things because of upates is very low |
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| 12:14.05 | teraflops | idea*, so 4 according /proc/cpuinfo, if xen says otherwise go ask #xen or #centos |
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| 12:14.11 | Drzacek | Hello |
| 12:14.19 | ws2k3 | sypher teraflops thx |
| 12:14.23 | teraflops | np |
| 12:14.39 | Drzacek | Ani hint for a guy that disabled all displays on kde and have black monitor now? |
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| 12:15.30 | Iridos | "switch on the monitor"? |
| 12:15.43 | Iridos | or possibly ctrl-alt-f1 for starters |
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| 12:16.24 | Drzacek | yeah, I can get to konsole, but no idea what do I change to activate displays |
| 12:16.51 | Iridos | use a different desktop environment/window manager? :P |
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| 12:17.32 | teraflops | Drzacek: as last resort, all kde shit is in ~/config/kde or whatever so consider renaming it and let kde create the profile again for your user |
| 12:17.43 | Drzacek | I can get to lxde, but there is no display options |
| 12:17.44 | teraflops | ~/.config^ |
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| 12:18.10 | teraflops | note I said rename not delete |
| 12:18.29 | teraflops | I dont want to be blamed^ |
| 12:18.49 | Drzacek | too late for that |
| 12:19.07 | teraflops | ^ |
| 12:19.26 | teraflops | so try to login again |
| 12:19.28 | Iridos | !blame teraflops |
| 12:19.28 | dpkg | blames boudiccas and teraflops for the end of life as we know it |
| 12:19.32 | teraflops | :P |
| 12:19.48 | Drzacek | okay, what do I RENAME? There is a whole lot of those. kdebugrc, kded_device_automounterrc, kdeglobals, plasma-localerc, plasma-locale-settings.sh, plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc |
| 12:19.50 | Iridos | don't do it again |
| 12:20.58 | Drzacek | ? |
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| 12:21.23 | jelly | Drzacek, what do you mean you can get to konsole, if you have black monitors? |
| 12:21.34 | teraflops | Drzacek: if you delete kde dotfiles and you log into kde they are regenerated |
| 12:21.42 | Drzacek | switch tty? |
| 12:22.04 | jelly | oh, console (konsole is kde's terminal emulator) |
| 12:22.29 | Drzacek | jelly, true, sorry for that |
| 12:22.48 | teraflops | Drzacek: when you delete kde dotfiles start a kde session through your DM or whatever you use |
| 12:22.51 | Drzacek | I was able to startx from console, but it loads lxde and there is no display settings |
| 12:23.07 | teraflops | Drzacek: youre talking about kde or lxde? |
| 12:23.08 | Drzacek | so I'm deleting all kde files from .config |
| 12:23.18 | Drzacek | teraflops, I had both, I want to start kde |
| 12:23.53 | teraflops | well delete/rename kde dotfiles and startx or whatever you do for getting into kde |
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| 12:24.04 | Drzacek | I was using kde, disabled display - monitor turned off, after restart still nothing, so I switched tty, startx -> got to lxde |
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| 12:24.17 | Drzacek | teraflops, plasma* files too? |
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| 12:24.47 | teraflops | no idea I dont do such fancy DE's |
| 12:25.12 | teraflops | google a bit I guess |
| 12:25.16 | Drzacek | teraflops, I installed kde, but got plasma |
| 12:25.18 | Drzacek | so |
| 12:25.26 | teraflops | Drzacek: are you in debian jessie? |
| 12:25.27 | Drzacek | I rm'ed plasma and kde files |
| 12:25.32 | teraflops | okee |
| 12:25.37 | Drzacek | rebooting |
| 12:25.55 | Drzacek | debian testing I guess (please don't send me away) |
| 12:26.07 | teraflops | the reboot bit wasnt necessary |
| 12:26.18 | teraflops | Drzacek: heh :P |
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| 12:27.01 | Drzacek | nope, still nothing |
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| 12:27.11 | teraflops | well, then I have no idea |
| 12:28.27 | Drzacek | wait, there is .kde in home dir, removing that |
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| 12:47.28 | miggyb | Hello. I'm trying to add a new SSL root certificate to a Jessie install. I copied the root certificate to /usr/local/share/ca-certificates and then ran `update-ca-certificates`. Now I can use `openssl` as root to verify another host certificate, but running it as a regular non-root user fails. (Also using `openssl` to test) |
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| 12:47.58 | miggyb | I did a reboot on the server to make sure everything was using the new settings after running `update-ca-certificates` but I'm still getting the same issue for non-root accounts |
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| 12:48.14 | miggyb | Anyone have any pointers on where to look for this kind of issue? |
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| 12:50.48 | hrob | hi |
| 12:51.00 | CyberJacob | Is there an easy way to add a cron job with a .deb file? |
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| 12:51.17 | blind | what does that question even mean? |
| 12:51.23 | hrob | is there way to query the shell or other if the last execution segmentation faulted? |
| 12:51.46 | Drzacek | Ha! Managed to get my monitor to work :D Had to remove few other files related to kde, not sure which one really worked here |
| 12:51.52 | hrob | is it simply a questino of exit status? -- Im interested in telling specifically if job was killed by os |
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| 12:56.11 | miggyb | Alright, so `update-ca-certificates` added the root certificate correctly, but didn't update the permissions. Users 'trusted' that certificate but couldn't read it, so the whole thing failed silently |
| 12:56.36 | miggyb | chmod'ed it to 755 and now openssl trusts the servers when run as a regular user |
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| 12:57.02 | Drzacek | Okay, I got my KDE back again - why does Alt + F2 quick launch doesnt work? I can open the dialog, but no matter what I type, it doesn't find anything and doesn't start any program |
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| 13:00.55 | x4u3n | teraflops, buenas tardes churrita. |
| 13:01.06 | teraflops | x4u3n: o/ |
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| 13:03.06 | danboid | Does grub in testing support ZFS? |
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| 13:06.41 | x4u3n | danboid, ugrb-mkconfig does not properly detect the ZFS filesystem, so it is necessary to edit grub.cfg manually |
| 13:07.41 | x4u3n | danboid, in uefi you need zfs=bootfs or zfs=zroot |
| 13:07.46 | danboid | x4u3n: Ah right, I thought that may be the case as its what I had to do under Arch |
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| 13:08.13 | x4u3n | danboid there is a howto to archlinux for ZFS. |
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| 13:08.54 | danboid | x4u3n: Yeah, I've heavily edited it over the last few months :) |
| 13:09.11 | x4u3n | and not run properly? |
| 13:09.31 | danboid | Yeah, I got it running great under Arch. I scripted it too |
| 13:09.47 | x4u3n | ah ok, :) |
| 13:09.55 | danboid | I'll likely do the same for Deb |
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| 13:10.12 | x4u3n | i dont know, sorry :) but grub support it :P |
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| 13:10.40 | danboid | Yep, there's various mentions of ZFS in the Deb GRUB changelog, I've just noticed |
| 13:11.21 | DammitJim | is there a way I can only update libpam-winbind and not samba packages? |
| 13:11.25 | x4u3n | danboid, i know ubuntu has it, and debian ask for it in debian-testing, but i dont know more. |
| 13:11.26 | x4u3n | :) |
| 13:12.18 | danboid | There is a FAQ/guide for Deb ZFS but its a few years old and is missing a few hacks that are required still |
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| 13:12.30 | x4u3n | danboid, dpkg -Qi | grep debian-zfs? |
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| 13:13.58 | danboid | There are a few things I prefer about Arch over Deb but quality control is not one, hence why I'm coming back |
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| 13:17.28 | x4u3n | danboid, perdona te hice una mezcla con pacman jajaja |
| 13:17.34 | x4u3n | busca el paquete debian-zfs |
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| 13:21.26 | danboid | x4u3n: I def. prefer pacman over dpkg and apt. The AUR is fantastic and its very easy to package stuff. I want something like bacman for apt! |
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| 13:22.18 | danboid | Is there a bacman equivalent for Debian? ie a reverse package installer? |
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| 13:22.52 | Iridos | dunno what that is |
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| 13:23.46 | danboid | If you have a package installed under Arch but you've lost the package file, you can run `bacman packagename` to recreate a package file |
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| 13:24.47 | x4u3n | danboid, i know tapdeb o something similar that convert packages |
| 13:25.03 | x4u3n | but deb2aur maybe i dont remember |
| 13:25.13 | x4u3n | debtap sorry |
| 13:25.14 | x4u3n | :) |
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| 13:26.03 | danboid | debtap sounds like it could be useful but its not what I want |
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| 13:26.56 | Iridos | I think there is something like that |
| 13:26.56 | danboid | I think bacman is prob more useful under Arch because of the AUR which means you self-build more packages under Arch |
| 13:27.19 | binezap | Any kernel-switch gurus on hand? |
| 13:27.22 | Iridos | danboid, but... running stable, you should only use packages from the official repos anyway... and you're never losing those |
| 13:27.24 | x4u3n | danboid then you can use dpkg -i package.deb :) |
| 13:27.38 | x4u3n | i install it with dpkg-deb in debian it i remember properly |
| 13:27.46 | danboid | I'm planning on using testing |
| 13:27.50 | x4u3n | to deploy dpkg-deb in arch for example |
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| 13:28.19 | danboid | stable is too but testing should be more stable than Arch :) |
| 13:28.27 | x4u3n | danboid install dpkg in debian :P |
| 13:28.32 | x4u3n | in arch sorry |
| 13:28.46 | Iridos | it's still mostly trouble to use out-of-repo packages... ease of packaging (with good results) is indeed probably not one of the strenghs of the format |
| 13:28.49 | danboid | stable is too old, sorry |
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| 13:29.21 | x4u3n | pacman -Q | grep dpkg |
| 13:29.21 | x4u3n | dpkg 1.17.25-1 |
| 13:29.21 | dpkg | 0.17 |
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| 13:33.08 | Iridos | danboid, yeah.... how can we ever do without that bleeding-edge newest version of ls |
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| 13:33.29 | Iridos | danboid, also... dpkg-repack |
| 13:34.12 | danboid | Its more the desktop environments and Xorg I want the latest a greatest (and to avoid self-compiling) that testing brings |
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| 13:35.13 | danboid | Iridos: Ah! dpkg-repack sounds like the Debian bacman - thanks! |
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| 13:37.02 | Iridos | what's changed since the jessie xorg |
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| 13:37.57 | x4u3n | what's the best way to decrease load_average? |
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| 13:38.14 | Iridos | don't run programs |
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| 13:38.34 | danboid | better intel IGP support. My 4K display doesn't work at full res under older xorg releases |
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| 13:39.09 | x4u3n | the cpu is free but in id status i have 75% |
| 13:39.10 | x4u3n | :( |
| 13:39.32 | petn-randall | danboid: That's what jessie-backports are for. |
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| 13:41.14 | Iridos | are you talking about load or about the top us/sy/ni/id/wa/hi.... values |
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| 13:42.44 | x4u3n | Iridos both, i load average i have critical and in top i have mysqld with id% in 75% |
| 13:43.00 | Iridos | what is "critical" |
| 13:43.17 | x4u3n | 5 over 2 cores :) |
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| 13:43.22 | x4u3n | 100% = 2 |
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| 13:43.53 | Iridos | not necessarily |
| 13:44.13 | x4u3n | Iridos yes when machine i very slow and mysqld only use %id cpu |
| 13:44.31 | Iridos | what do you mean %id cpu |
| 13:44.42 | Iridos | and this is the first time you ever mention that the machine is slow |
| 13:44.49 | x4u3n | not cpu, im trygin to check slow queries....Cpu(s): 1.5%us, 3.8%sy, 0.0%ni, 49.7%id, 44.9%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
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| 13:45.36 | x4u3n | Iridos high average normally is slow cpu? sorry my explanation xD |
| 13:46.11 | Iridos | not necessarily |
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| 13:47.41 | Iridos | what does this give you: ps aux | grep " [D] " |
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| 13:48.20 | Iridos | use paste.debian.net if it's more than 2-3 lines |
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| 13:49.11 | x4u3n | Iridos: http://dpaste.com/3BDNB22 i give you more now, let me |
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| 13:50.31 | x4u3n | Iridos no result. |
| 13:50.41 | Iridos | ok |
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| 13:53.37 | Iridos | I think it's swapping... or just having a lot of accesses on the database |
| 13:53.58 | Iridos | hm, that's mb,/s that's not such a huge lot |
| 13:54.06 | Iridos | err, kb/s |
| 13:54.35 | Iridos | but you're still most of the time in iowait |
| 13:55.03 | Iridos | looks like slow disk |
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| 13:55.20 | Iridos | also... |
| 13:55.23 | Iridos | VIRT RES SHR |
| 13:55.33 | Iridos | 4391m 2.9g 3424 (for mysql) |
| 13:55.46 | ChrisH | x4u3n: I like run atop as root to get a quick idea on what is potentally weird |
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| 13:55.58 | x4u3n | oks let me check it |
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| 13:56.06 | Iridos | you have a total of 4G ram and you have a mysql that has >4G virtual size and is actually using 3.9g |
| 13:56.17 | x4u3n | i know it |
| 13:56.33 | x4u3n | i use tunning on it, but continue with bad perfomance, :) |
| 13:56.33 | Iridos | that looks a lot like it's prone to swapping |
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| 13:57.00 | Iridos | err, 2.9G |
| 13:57.15 | x4u3n | yes normally 75% of ram used |
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| 13:57.23 | x4u3n | only with mysqld :P |
| 13:57.52 | JyZyXEL | how can i view a picture in fullscreen so that it spans multiple monitors? |
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| 14:02.03 | x4u3n | Iridos, ChrisH http://imgur.com/a/gHJhO and http://imgur.com/a/0DRaC with 100% migration process |
| 14:02.12 | hrob | can is use trap in a shell script? |
| 14:02.30 | hrob | to trap a signal to kill an executable being run in the script |
| 14:03.03 | hrob | i.e. trap "send report..." SIGSEGV; run_my_executable; |
| 14:03.23 | napnap | Kernel panic. http://pastebin.fr/47230 |
| 14:03.32 | napnap | If someone had an idea... |
| 14:03.45 | abrotman | how old is your computer? |
| 14:03.49 | abrotman | hrob: probably ask #bash? |
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| 14:03.55 | x4u3n | hrob, http://dpaste.com/31VSRJP |
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| 14:04.39 | binezap | Any kernel-parameter experts on hand? I'm trying to debug a very tough hanging/freezing problem, eliminated pretty much everything else. |
| 14:05.18 | Iridos | JyZyXEL, if it's only one screen, then something like... feh -Z --geometry $(xrandr | grep current | sed 's/^.*current *//;s/,.*//;s/ *//g') x.png |
| 14:05.20 | x4u3n | hrob search for this trap signal |
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| 14:05.25 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 14:05.49 | x4u3n | kill -l |
| 14:06.23 | ChrisH | x4u3n: looks like sde is slow |
| 14:07.18 | gypsymauro | I've a pc with two nics, but I think there is some mess, there are too much interfaces :D http://pastebin.com/q5KNqQC9 can someone help to clean this situation? I'm using kvm but I feel lost |
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| 14:07.57 | x4u3n | ChrisH, u mean sde = sw? |
| 14:08.04 | x4u3n | or spacial database?, sorry im spanish |
| 14:08.07 | Iridos | JyZyXEL, I don't think there is a true fullscreen... but I guess you could get rid of the window decorations additional to the geometry setting |
| 14:08.20 | JyZyXEL | i see |
| 14:08.33 | ChrisH | x4u3n: sde like /dev/sde |
| 14:08.44 | x4u3n | ah ok :) |
| 14:09.19 | ChrisH | gypsymauro: the additional ones are used for KVM and/or Virtualbox or others. I would not remove them. :) |
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| 14:11.04 | JyZyXEL | Iridos: the --geometry does not work with multiple screens |
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| 14:11.11 | JyZyXEL | multiple monitors* |
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| 14:11.36 | x4u3n | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.18 | hrob | yeah there seems to be no reliable way to tell if a foreground child process got SIGSEGV or other signal |
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| 14:12.48 | gox39 | hi people, I have a rar file and I entered in my terminal: unrar t foo.rar |
| 14:12.50 | gox39 | and the result went well with no errors. But when I use an x instead of the f I get after half the way a 'Input/output error' for some reason. Any ideas why? |
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| 14:13.07 | Azazell | what's the best i can get the latest version of firefox (not esr) and thunderbird? |
| 14:13.17 | Azazell | I'm on debian stretch |
| 14:13.48 | Iridos | JyZyXEL, I have multiple monitoors and it does work for me |
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| 14:14.21 | JyZyXEL | for me, it just opens the picture maximized on the second screen |
| 14:14.51 | Iridos | I have the two monitors on one big virtual desktop... which I thought is the "normal" setup |
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| 14:15.50 | JyZyXEL | Iridos: i figured a way now |
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| 14:16.49 | JyZyXEL | Iridos: "feh --title fehscreen picture.png" and then i can set KDE KWin rules to force geometry, above all windows and no window title bar |
| 14:17.00 | JyZyXEL | on windows that are named "fehscreen" |
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| 14:17.19 | Iridos | maybe kde is preventing it in some weird way |
| 14:17.30 | JyZyXEL | why? |
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| 14:17.48 | JyZyXEL | im pretty happy with this solution |
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| 14:18.03 | Iridos | i mean why the regular --geometry doesn't work |
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| 14:19.01 | Iridos | because... my virtual screen has 3840x1200 and feh -Z --geometry 3840x1200 x.png makes a window filling it completly |
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| 14:19.12 | Azazell | what's the best way i can get the latest version of firefox (not esr) and thunderbird? |
| 14:19.15 | Iridos | although the picture doesn't fill it completely because of its aspect ratio |
| 14:19.18 | Azazell | I'm on debian stretch btw |
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| 14:22.34 | gox39 | hi people, I have a rar file and I entered in my terminal: unrar t foo.rar and the result went well with no errors. But when I use an x instead of the f I get after half the way a 'Input/output error' for some reason. Any ideas why? |
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| 14:23.00 | greycat | I/O errors are usually bad. File system problem, hardware problem. |
| 14:23.10 | greycat | Check for additional errors in dmesg. |
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| 14:27.50 | gox39 | destination was full :D |
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| 14:28.53 | greycat | (he vanished, but... usually that generates a much more specific error message) |
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| 14:31.15 | x4u3n | ChrisH, thank u sde disk is very slow in reading beacuse mysql cache a lot http://dpaste.com/2KF88E3 :P thank u. |
| 14:32.02 | awal1 | I noticied that if one configures pkg A via .Xdefaults, normal configuration(nont via xdefault) of pkg B is ignored, why so? |
| 14:32.19 | greycat | What are A and B here? |
| 14:32.32 | greycat | Generally speaking, every package's configuration is totally independent. |
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| 14:34.13 | awal1 | I have customized a bit 'yeahconsole' via .Xdefaults, and now 'guake' terminal full screen keyboard shortcut is ignored |
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| 14:34.31 | awal1 | F11 |
| 14:35.02 | awal1 | probably .Xdefaults is not related |
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| 14:36.15 | awal1 | if both yeahconsole and guake are running F11 for full screen mode is captured by yeahconsole |
| 14:36.19 | Azazell | is adding the mint repo a good idea? |
| 14:36.32 | awal1 | I thought it's bcoz of .Xdefaults, or maybe not |
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| 14:36.34 | greycat | Azazell: It is an atrociously BAD idea. |
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| 14:37.30 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 14:37.31 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 14:37.33 | Azazell | greycat: then what's the best way to get the latest firefox and thunderbird? |
| 14:37.38 | petn-randall | Azazell: ^^^^ |
| 14:37.54 | greycat | awal1: You could use "xrdb -query" to see what's in the the X resource database and see if any of it looks like it would affect guake.... |
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| 14:38.12 | petn-randall | !tell Azazell -about mozilla.debian.net |
| 14:38.18 | greycat | Azazell: Why do you need a newer version than what you have right now? Which version, specifically, do you need? |
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| 14:38.19 | petn-randall | Azazell: check your PMs |
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| 14:39.49 | awal1 | I still can use Alt+F12 (what I use in xfce) for guake full sceen mode , but wondering why yeahconsole captures F11 and guake no |
| 14:40.21 | awal1 | greycat, yeah I have xrdb -qery "yeahconsole*keyFull:None+F11" |
| 14:40.21 | Azazell | I currently have the ESR version and my favorite theme doesn't seem to work with it |
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| 14:40.36 | Azazell | I have installed a version that I founf on it's history page |
| 14:40.40 | Azazell | and thanks |
| 14:40.58 | greycat | awal1: I can't see any reason guake would be using that resource, unless it's just a weird bug in guake |
| 14:40.58 | awal1 | which relation Xressourses vs yeahconsole vs guake |
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| 14:41.51 | iLogic | hey guys, both apt-get and aptitude are slower than a frozen pig trying to climb a steep montain whenever I update or upgrade.. Iâve tried including my countryâs url in sources.list, clean all, remove lists and clean again, but no dice :( |
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| 14:43.29 | teraflops | iLogic: slow as in network speed? |
| 14:44.08 | iLogic | teraflops: as in everything else is snappy as a puppy |
| 14:44.16 | awal1 | greycat, if I close yeahconsole, guake capture again F11 for full screen and it works. all fine: I can use F11 for yeahconsole and Alt+F12 for guake, just wondering why yeahconsole have control over guake :P |
| 14:44.27 | greycat | iLogic: *where* is it slow? During the download? During processing the lists? |
| 14:44.29 | iLogic | it holds for a long time in the beginning |
| 14:44.36 | teraflops | iLogic: or slow as in weak arm board or filesystem in sd card or shitty slow hdd? |
| 14:45.20 | afernandez_ | Greycat sorry I query you. |
| 14:45.52 | iLogic | yes to all |
| 14:46.05 | teraflops | iLogic: ? |
| 14:46.15 | greycat | On low-memory systems, apt is INCREDIBLY slow because it thrashes to hell and back. |
| 14:46.37 | greycat | Didn't I ask you how much memory was in this system last week? Or was that a different person asking the same question? |
| 14:47.08 | teraflops | I have 300/300 and apt is slow in weak arm boards, this is not related to the net speed at all |
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| 14:48.23 | iLogic | itâs an old netbook.. but i think itâs actually a 64bit/2ram |
| 14:48.48 | iLogic | idk ram seems to make more sense, but still.. during update? |
| 14:49.04 | teraflops | look at iotop, top, etc I guess |
| 14:49.08 | greycat | How. Much. RAM. |
| 14:49.15 | iLogic | 2gb |
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| 14:49.21 | iLogic | wow such ram! |
| 14:49.24 | greycat | That's not it, then. Maybe it's CPU? I have no idea. |
| 14:49.35 | iLogic | iâll try the tops |
| 14:50.16 | iLogic | but i was used with better speeds in this computer, both with debian and other distrosâ packmans |
| 14:50.39 | teraflops | my 2 cents go for cpu maybe the hdd |
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| 14:52.27 | awal1 | iLogic, if X debian mirror is in your country or near you, that doesn't mean it will be faster. |
| 14:52.40 | greycat | I think he's not seeing a network-related bottleneck. |
| 14:53.15 | todd_dsm_wk | hey guys, I'm new to debian. Searching for packages: aptitude search '^vim-*' - in the output there are i/v/p in the left column. Where are those defined? |
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| 14:54.00 | greycat | Is there really no header? Nothing in the man page? I'd have to install aptitude to find out.... |
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| 14:54.08 | teraflops | heh |
| 14:54.12 | awal1 | iLogic, with 2 gb of ram, I suppose you run xfce, lxde or X WM, or at least mate, right? not kde , gnome,or cinnamon |
| 14:55.17 | awal1 | iLogic, is apt also slow if you use it in Console, and without login into X? |
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| 14:56.46 | iLogic | awal1: first option and will try |
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| 14:58.38 | awal1 | iLogic, my question is just bcoz I thout you are using kde-gnome-cinnamon and you may have enabled apps/plugins which connects to internet and uses your bandwidth |
| 14:58.47 | awal1 | I thought ^ |
| 15:00.05 | iLogic | nah i havent used those since the nineties :P |
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| 15:02.38 | iLogic | idk if it has something to do with the fact that once i was beginning to apt-get upgrade via a ssh session and thought it was too slow then ctrl+c.. but i tried cleaning everything up afterwards |
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| 15:03.05 | greycat | No, that wouldn't slow down future apt-get updates. |
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| 15:03.57 | veek | could someone suggest a password safe program with otp which is portable |
| 15:04.10 | iLogic | is there an util for finding the best speed mirror? |
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| 15:06.00 | awal1 | iLogic, yes, try with apt-spy |
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| 15:06.30 | teraflops | hmm it's not in jessie iirc |
| 15:06.35 | teraflops | ,v apt-spy |
| 15:06.36 | judd | Package: apt-spy on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.1-19; sid: 3.2.2-1; wheezy: 3.2.2-1 |
| 15:06.38 | awal1 | for check your bandwidth you can also use speedtest-cli |
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| 15:07.29 | teraflops | I wouldn't trust speedtests, iperf is more reliable |
| 15:08.27 | iLogic | didnt know about iperf, looks cool |
| 15:09.13 | donoban | Hi, I have a strange problem with apt, doing apt-get upgrade it says I have 1 package kept back, but doing apt-get dist-upgrade it says all is ok |
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| 15:09.28 | greycat | What's the problem? |
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| 15:09.38 | donoban | it seems contradictory :\ |
| 15:10.04 | greycat | dist-upgrade will pull in extra packages or remove packages if necessary; upgrade will not |
| 15:10.15 | teraflops | iLogic: well, public iperf servers neither are reliable because they are over loaded :S |
| 15:10.22 | greycat | Is the kept-back package iceweasel, by chance? |
| 15:10.40 | donoban | greycat: it says all is ok but it does nothing, if I do apt-get upgrade again it says again there is one pacakge kept back |
| 15:10.51 | donoban | it's python-cryptography |
| 15:11.01 | donoban | maybe has relations with jessie-backports and electrum pacakge |
| 15:11.04 | greycat | what happens if you "apt-get install python-cryptography" explicitly? |
| 15:11.36 | donoban | uhM, dependices problem |
| 15:11.41 | donoban | I paste one sec |
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| 15:12.39 | Iridos | also pastebin the output of tail -n100 /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* and that of apt-cache policy |
| 15:12.56 | donoban | ok |
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| 15:14.22 | donoban | https://paste.debian.net/780621/ |
| 15:14.24 | donoban | all there |
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| 15:15.55 | x4u3n | donoban try -f in apt |
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| 15:16.15 | donoban | apt-get -f ...? |
| 15:16.20 | x4u3n | install |
| 15:16.22 | greycat | https://paste.debian.net/ still broken. Removing 's'. |
| 15:16.38 | Iridos | 's'? |
| 15:16.54 | greycat | ,v python-setuptools |
| 15:16.55 | judd | Package: python-setuptools on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.14-4; wheezy: 0.6.24-1; jessie: 5.5.1-1; jessie-backports: 20.10.1-1.1~bpo8+1; sid: 20.10.1-1.1; stretch: 20.10.1-1.1 |
| 15:16.56 | k3yboardninja | hey guys, quick question. I have a simple bash script that writes out to a text file that I want to run with cron. I setup the crontab to run it and syslog shows cron runs the script but it never writes to the .txt file. I can run it manually and it runs and writes to the file. Any ideas? |
| 15:17.08 | greycat | Iridos: http://paste.debian.net/ works fine. I can remove the s from https in any such URLs to get a working page. |
| 15:17.08 | donoban | x4u3n: it says something similar to apt-get upgrade, there is one package kept back |
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| 15:17.36 | Iridos | the https link works fine for me |
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| 15:17.43 | donoban | also for me |
| 15:17.46 | x4u3n | donoban apt-get -f install repair dependencies, you can install all |
| 15:17.46 | greycat | donoban: are you using python packages from jessie-backports? |
| 15:17.53 | greycat | Iridos: Now try it in elinks. |
| 15:17.57 | Iridos | heh |
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| 15:18.18 | donoban | greycat: not directly, I only installed electrum package and maybe another few when I have some problems doing updates |
| 15:18.25 | donoban | how can I see exactly what I have installed from backports? |
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| 15:19.23 | teraflops | greycat: https://ptpb.pw/hbY2.png :S |
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| 15:19.35 | greycat | Well in any case, I would think "apt-get -t jessie-backports install python-setuptools" might help. |
| 15:19.51 | donoban | ok, I think I did that when I had problems time ago doing upgrades |
| 15:19.57 | greycat | teraflops: mine is in English, but yeah. elinks can't handle it. |
| 15:20.31 | teraflops | yeah the same, sorry I forgot LANG=C elinks⦠|
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| 15:21.08 | donoban | nice |
| 15:21.17 | donoban | python-crypthograpy upgraded fine now |
| 15:21.19 | donoban | ty guys |
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| 15:22.18 | han-solo | wouldn't pip install cryptography? |
| 15:22.23 | Iridos | seems your links is too electric |
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| 15:22.47 | donoban | han-solo: why use pip if it's packaged on Debian? |
| 15:22.58 | Iridos | greycat, so to say, links handles it fine |
| 15:22.58 | teraflops | whats wrong using repo python packages if they are available? |
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| 15:23.14 | han-solo | nothing wrong |
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| 15:24.22 | Iridos | teraflops, not bleeding edge enough |
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| 15:24.39 | teraflops | Iridos: then go virtualenvs I guess |
| 15:25.04 | Iridos | I was kidding |
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| 15:25.25 | teraflops | heh yeah I was a bout to say the same |
| 15:25.33 | teraflops | </sarcasm> |
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| 15:25.51 | Iridos | ...because even pip isn't new enough for me |
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| 15:26.24 | teraflops | you can pip git.whatever too |
| 15:27.00 | Iridos | or ring at the developer's door, shake them and force them to write some new lines so you got the newest of the newest |
| 15:27.04 | teraflops | heh |
| 15:27.52 | x4u3n | teraflops, y cuidado con el sudo en pip :P |
| 15:27.53 | teraflops | nah I just do pip when something is really borked and I need new versions (rarely) |
| 15:28.12 | teraflops | x4u3n: yeah sudo pip install aka sillypip |
| 15:28.25 | x4u3n | xD |
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| 15:33.14 | x4u3n | teraflops, tengo las mysql desbordadas jajaja https://paste.debian.net/780626/ |
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| 15:33.23 | x4u3n | van 2 de 2 :) |
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| 15:34.10 | teraflops | x4u3n: let's keep it in english or you'll be warned |
| 15:34.27 | x4u3n | oks, like always :) |
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| 15:35.34 | han-solo | ah |
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| 16:03.08 | mdk | Hi, I'm getting "WARNING: the following packages cannot be authenticated!" on node-clean-css and cleancss, my key are up to date according to apt-key, how to diagnose this? |
| 16:03.49 | mdk | (not using a proxy, hitting http://ftp.fr.debian.org/ which is debian.proxad.net 212.27.32.66) |
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| 16:04.07 | Kiril | hello guys |
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| 16:04.18 | Kiril | how to keep current iptables rules |
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| 16:04.26 | Kiril | and to load them after reboot? |
| 16:04.50 | mdk | Kiril: I personally put them in an executable script on /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables but I don't think that's "the way to do" |
| 16:04.51 | Olof_szary | Which file system would you advice for storing files (median size 30MB, mean size 100MB, it would be nice if it is also accessible from windows) |
| 16:05.03 | RoyK | Kiril: I juse use ufw |
| 16:05.15 | Kiril | ufw? |
| 16:05.21 | RoyK | !ufw |
| 16:05.21 | dpkg | Uncomplicated firewall (ufw) is an <iptables> front-end with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter (PF). https://launchpad.net/ufw |
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| 16:06.19 | RoyK | Kiril: I beleive it makes things far easier to cope with, although it lacks direct support for NAT, so that has to be configured manually in the ufw config files |
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| 16:10.02 | n00b13 | Kiril: ufw sucks - take http://ferm.foo-projects.org/ instead, which generates more performant rulesets... and in galaxy... |
| 16:10.23 | RoyK | n00b13: really, ufw doesn't suck - it just works |
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| 16:12.32 | mdk | You know, iptables is not that hard, it just works too, I'm not sure Kiril needs a frontend |
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| 16:14.21 | RoyK | Kiril: see iptables-save and iptables-restore |
| 16:14.23 | todd_dsm_wk | why is there no option to install vim 'huge'? |
| 16:14.23 | n00b13 | nobody should care about frontend since the job gets done in backend ;-) |
| 16:14.51 | RoyK | Kiril: n00b13 easier to configure, less easy to make mistakes |
| 16:15.26 | RoyK | n00b13: that was for you |
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| 16:16.28 | RoyK | n00b13: I know some people prefer using raw iptables, but using iptables (and ip6tables) correctly can be a bit hard and when there's a wrapper doing most of the job, why not use it and rahter use iptables when you need to fine-tune things? |
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| 16:19.30 | mtndew | can anyone give me a hand with building a deb package/ |
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| 16:20.30 | greycat | !mentors |
| 16:20.30 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 16:21.08 | mtndew | I don't want to get a package into debiansr |
| 16:21.16 | mtndew | I just want to take a tarball and turn it into a deb |
| 16:21.21 | mtndew | personal use |
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| 16:21.38 | mtndew | my only problem right now is the data isn't in the payload of the deb |
| 16:21.39 | greycat | The process is the same regardless. |
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| 16:22.32 | mtndew | I've read all the documentation from the debian site about building packages |
| 16:22.37 | mtndew | it's how I got to where I am now |
| 16:22.47 | mtndew | it's why I'm still asking the question |
| 16:23.02 | greycat | So go ask #debian-mentors on OFTC for detailed help. |
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| 16:27.48 | userB | Hi, a small question. I'm copying many file from a very old debian pc to a usb. since is command line I mounted usb and used cp -r (origin_folder) (usb_destiny) |
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| 16:28.10 | userB | Ah, used cp -rv |
| 16:28.33 | userB | And it's going, but i accidentally typed some letters before cp finishes |
| 16:28.51 | userB | Like, it's listing copied files, then I typed "sdg" |
| 16:28.54 | greycat | cp won't care |
| 16:29.31 | userB | I see in the console my letters appeared indeed, and even i tried backspace and letters erased |
| 16:29.39 | userB | but I'm afraid this will corrupt my copying |
| 16:29.52 | greycat | It won't affect the copy. |
| 16:29.56 | userB | And since it's a BIG backup I don't want to repeat it |
| 16:30.04 | userB | oh really? thanks! |
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| 16:30.10 | tikun | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.13 | userB | I was very afraid! |
| 16:30.22 | greycat | cp (without -i) does not read stdin, so your keystrokes are still waiting in the terminal for something to read them. The next thing to read them should be your shell, so they will be part of your next shell command. |
| 16:30.45 | userB | well yes i did not use -i at all |
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| 16:32.23 | han-solo | nope, i guess |
| 16:33.44 | n00b13 | mtndew: show output from # cat debian/rules; ls -l .. plz |
| 16:34.36 | userB | sorry for question I'm noob in linux! |
| 16:34.40 | userB | and thanks |
| 16:35.26 | userB | then for curiosity, how is it that cp and maybe other commands still leave the stdin strokable while the command is still working? |
| 16:36.07 | userB | or why? |
| 16:36.16 | greycat | They don't bother changing the terminal modes because they have no reason to do so. So the terminal continues accepting and buffering keystrokes for a while. |
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| 16:38.01 | jhutchins | tikun: Almost nothing. |
| 16:38.24 | jhutchins | tikun: Basically it means that one of the partitions will run out of space while there is plenty left on one of the others. |
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| 16:39.21 | jhutchins | tikun: /var tends to hold things like mail and logs that can have runaway processes and fill the disk. It will stop the system, but won't corrupt the other partitons. |
| 16:39.32 | tikun | jhutchins, ah, kk |
| 16:39.34 | greycat | On multiuser systems, the intent is to isolate / limit the "damage" of a full file system so other stuff can continue working. |
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| 16:40.14 | greycat | Especially when some student fills up /home, you don't want that to shut down the system's logging in /var. |
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| 16:42.28 | userB | for terminal, keys and the backspace key are equally harmless right? |
| 16:42.44 | userB | because aside of letter keystrokes I stroked backspace |
| 16:42.49 | jhutchins | userB: It |
| 16:43.10 | jhutchins | userB: It's buffering, so when cp ends it will be just like you had typed whatever at the prompt. |
| 16:43.14 | greycat | It's entirely up to whatever program reads those keystrokes from the terminal. |
| 16:43.46 | jhutchins | userB: You might want to read up on rsync, it would allow you to re-start the process without re-copying finished files. |
| 16:43.48 | greycat | Your shell will receive whatever you typed, and process it all as if you had typed it all right at that moment. |
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| 16:44.17 | userB | okso cp is just ignoring and effects will be taken by shell at the end |
| 16:44.39 | userB | thanks |
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| 16:45.33 | userB | oh, and in another little thing, if filesystem encountered errors and therefore mounted in read only, can an effect of this be eth0 not being up? |
| 16:46.00 | greycat | If the root file system never remounted read-write? Yeah, all kinds of things could happen. |
| 16:46.14 | jhutchins | userB: Not uness it's a network mount. |
| 16:46.25 | userB | ouch |
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| 16:47.08 | jhutchins | userB: Given what you're doing, and that you probably don't care about things like logs on the old system, I wouldn't worry for now. |
| 16:47.31 | jhutchins | userB: If you encounter problems (I doubt you will), boot from a live CD or USB. |
| 16:47.36 | userB | well, i would have liked to know why network didn't work here |
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| 16:47.51 | jhutchins | userB: If you want to recover the old system, you'll need to do an fsck on it. |
| 16:47.54 | userB | only interface up is lo |
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| 16:48.22 | userB | fsck? well i guess i'll first search what that is |
| 16:48.30 | userB | thanks all!! |
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| 17:10.48 | Onyx47 | hello all, I have a very peculiar problem... my ~/.xsession-errors file is continually getting filled with the message "Please type y to accept, n otherwise:". Any clues? Debian stretch, nvidia 367.18 beta driver, X server 1.18.3 |
| 17:11.05 | greycat | Figure out what program's writing that. |
| 17:11.12 | greycat | Some sort of license agreement? |
| 17:11.38 | Onyx47 | seems so, but lsof is returning a rather large list... |
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| 17:14.03 | Onyx47 | oh great, just as I ask... TeamSpeak, it would seem... why does it write to .xsession-errors??? time to report a bug I think... |
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| 17:14.26 | greycat | Because you launched it from your Window Manager or your X Session configuration file or something along those lines. |
| 17:14.34 | `Kevin | Onyx47: thats what im seeing as per a google search (on github) |
| 17:14.58 | Onyx47 | really? I only got Tanglu's bug tracker |
| 17:16.37 | Onyx47 | anyway, I launched it by clicking on the runscript instead doing it from the command line, I get that they probably try to use stderr but that's a bit silly still |
| 17:17.13 | greycat | The silly (bug) part is that they loop trying to read a response from stdin when stdin is obviously closed or redirected from /dev/null. |
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| 17:18.39 | Onyx47 | yup |
| 17:20.34 | Onyx47 | oh well, thanks for rubberducking for me greycat, |
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| 18:18.09 | JyZyXEL | is it possible for multiple Xorg's to share the same input devices? |
| 18:18.55 | greycat | You can have multiple running X sessions and flip back and forth among them, but only one of them can have the 3d direct rendering stuff. |
| 18:19.09 | greycat | And only one of them at a time can have the regular keyboard/mouse/monitor. |
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| 18:20.56 | JyZyXEL | greycat: what if i add another graphics card and dedicate it for the other Xorg, can i then have another 3D rendering Xorg? |
| 18:20.56 | pugfantus | greycat: yes you can |
| 18:21.41 | pugfantus | errr, JyZyXEL |
| 18:21.55 | pugfantus | what greycat said... I'm gonna crawl back into my hole now.... |
| 18:22.23 | greycat | I have absolutely no clue if adding a second video card changes that. |
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| 18:23.55 | JyZyXEL | i remember there being something with vga arbitration and Xorg which might disable DRI if you tried to have more than one graphics card |
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| 18:24.05 | pugfantus | you can have multiple VTs up and you should be able to have a different config for each one |
| 18:24.27 | pugfantus | and set which config goes to which card |
| 18:24.28 | JyZyXEL | pugfantus: i was thinking of running the other Xorg from within a debian testing chroot |
| 18:25.03 | JyZyXEL | so i would configure the Xorg.conf on the chrooted system to use the other graphics card |
| 18:25.48 | Iridos | but some stuff is done by the kernel |
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| 18:28.13 | pugfantus | I mean, I haven't done anything like this in like 10 years... so ymmv... but looking at the googles, it shouldn't be that hard... |
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| 18:28.28 | JyZyXEL | i think Xorg disables DRI if it notices that multiple devices are participating in VGA arbitration? |
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| 18:30.11 | JyZyXEL | is really hard to find any good information or anyone who has any idea how this stuff works |
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| 18:30.26 | greycat | Try #xorg? |
| 18:30.37 | pugfantus | http://vfio.blogspot.com/2014/08/whats-deal-with-vga-arbitration.html <-- "Xorg therefore disables DRI support when there are multiple participants in VGA arbitration." |
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| 18:31.12 | pugfantus | "As a result, host drivers want to opt-out of VGA arbitration as quickly as they can by disabling legacy interfaces on the device so that there are never multiple VGA arbitration participants and DRI remains enabled." |
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| 18:31.51 | JyZyXEL | greycat: i did, and after days, no one said anything |
| 18:32.04 | pugfantus | looks promising |
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| 18:34.35 | JyZyXEL | im using the i915 graphics for stable Xorg and then i was thinking of using radeon graphics for the testing Xorg |
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| 18:35.25 | GreyFoxx | I realize that squeeze has been end of lifed, but I don't suppose anyone knows of a live mirror that still has packages for it ? |
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| 18:35.47 | greycat | !squeeze sources.list |
| 18:35.47 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 18:36.04 | GreyFoxx | Thanks! I'll check that out |
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| 18:36.26 | JyZyXEL | but even if i get the graphics and dri working, i still gotta figure out a way to get input to the Xorg |
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| 18:37.07 | JyZyXEL | are there any convenient ways of sharing the input from Xorg to another? |
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| 18:38.36 | vook | JyZyXEL: you may have better luck on one of those stackexchange sites - people there tend to be really eager to help and get points. |
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| 18:38.58 | vook | you'd be drawing from a much larger pool |
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| 18:39.32 | JyZyXEL | thats a good idea |
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| 19:23.07 | thesupergeek42 | Hello, I have a Debian 8.5 installation on my ThinkPad X230, and I am unable to chang the brightness when booted into the OS, but I can on the grub screen. I think the issue pertains to the fact that ACPI is attempting to change brightness under acpi_video0 instead of vendor, or intel in my case. I found out the way to set this is using kernel flags in GRUB using acpi_backlight=vendor, but I am on |
| 19:23.14 | thesupergeek42 | an encrypted install. How do I add acpi_backlight=vendor to my kernel flags using an encrypted boot? |
| 19:23.16 | thesupergeek42 | thank you! |
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| 19:25.05 | thesupergeek42 | Or maybe I can just set up keybindings to echo certain values to the intel/backlight instead? How would I go about doing that? xbindkeys? |
| 19:25.41 | jelly | thesupergeek42: add it wherever you'd add any other boot parameter. Is your /boot encrypted or not? |
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| 19:27.19 | thesupergeek42 | jelly: Thank you for your assistance. I would add it to the GRUB boot menu, but I do not see the linux kernel line specified in online documentation. I set up my install as an encrypted LVM if that provides any insight |
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| 19:29.16 | thesupergeek42 | is there any way to change ACPI from changing /sys/calss/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness to /sys/calss/backlight/intel/brightness? |
| 19:29.41 | jelly | thesupergeek42: do you have a separate /boot partition, and is it encrypted or not? |
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| 19:30.22 | thesupergeek42 | jelly: no, I do not have a seperate boot partition, so I think that may be encrpted. |
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| 19:31.52 | jelly | I wonder how your boot loader works in that case. Nevertheless, you can try adding the parameter to /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX setting, running update-grub and see what happens |
| 19:33.19 | jelly | that's the usual way. |
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| 19:33.36 | thesupergeek42 | after a reboot (thanks SSD) that appears to have fixed it! thank you very much! |
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| 19:50.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, really? I have a separate /boot and it's not encrypted |
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| 19:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh.. you meant having it is the usual way |
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| 19:52.48 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: I believe that _is_ the usual setup |
| 19:52.55 | jelly | yes |
| 19:52.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | usually the boot loader works by directly linking to the sectors of the kernel that's in /boot, right? |
| 19:53.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and so encryption should ruin that |
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| 19:54.09 | jelly | not really. grub's MBR code loads stage 1.5/2 which has enough drivers to open your /boot filesystem and read the config files |
| 19:54.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... and that's a weak point in the encryption stuff? because you could still switch the kernel against a modified malicious one |
| 19:55.07 | greycat | Surely the decryption key is not compiled into the kernel. |
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| 19:55.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, but when you run the malicious kernel to boot your machine, surely you enter the key? |
| 19:55.56 | jelly | evil maid attack is thwarted with other means |
| 19:56.35 | greycat | Not seeing where your attack vector is. Someone tricks you into booting with a kernel that captures your key and emails it to their bot net? |
| 19:56.36 | jelly | typically, TPM-based signed kernels |
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| 19:57.15 | jelly | greycat: it captures your key and decrypts your data, and emails that. |
| 19:57.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | someone tricks you into booting a kernel that opens a backdoor and communicates the IP it has in some way when it's online? |
| 19:58.05 | jelly | pick whatever exfiltration method you like, including sending the key and the passphrase |
| 19:58.06 | greycat | So how is this trickery achieved? |
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| 19:58.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you mean |
| 19:58.53 | greycat | How are you ever in a situation where someone has slipped you a malicious kernel and talked you into booting it? |
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| 19:59.21 | sypher | wait, what? |
| 19:59.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | they don't have to talk you into it... you're booting your machine from time to time to use it anyway |
| 19:59.35 | jelly | greycat: you don't notice you're booting a malicious kernel. The evil maid replaced it while you were drinking down at the bar |
| 20:00.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as for slipping in malicious stuff... apparently airports are a nice place to do that... you have someone examined in a separate room for an extra security check and work at their laptop |
| 20:00.23 | greycat | How did she do this? Did she already have the root password? |
| 20:00.40 | jelly | /boot is unencrpted. |
| 20:00.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hashtag bundestrojaner |
| 20:00.51 | jelly | y |
| 20:01.23 | markybob | you must be some kind of enemy of the state to warrant that much effort. fuck. |
| 20:01.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I admit my own sillieness... but booting from any of the other devices in my case |
| 20:01.42 | markybob | getting the NSA and TSA to work together... |
| 20:01.50 | sypher | s/ together// |
| 20:03.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob, or maybe just some german authorities? https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/10/10/german-government-r2d2-trojan-faq/ |
| 20:03.44 | jelly | markybob: it doesn't have to be a state player. An industry competitor may want a glean at your dev tree, too. |
| 20:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob, and don't tell me that the USA are more sqeamish than germany, specially when non-citizens are involved |
| 20:05.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob, of course, because they denied it, it probably got onto the laptop somewhere from the evil internet. aliens used the internet to get it there |
| 20:05.29 | markybob | an industry leader is going to take my laptop at the airport, swap out the kernel...c'mon |
| 20:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you saying your work and ideas are so completely unspectacular, nobody would ever want to steal one? :) |
| 20:06.31 | jelly | in any case this tangent is more suited to -offtopic |
| 20:06.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
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| 20:06.50 | jelly | and if markybob has nothing to steal, good for him |
| 20:07.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and anyway, I thought that encrypting the drive would not only protect my data from someone finding the laptop reading it out, but would also protect me from this type of attack |
| 20:07.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I only now realized that that's not the case |
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| 20:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | (althought not using windows would probably protect me from this *specific* attack) |
| 20:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | UEFI to the rescue? |
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| 20:11.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, markybob isn't even in #debian-offtopic.. anyway... guess Orwell would be delirious about a world where reality and conspiracy theory are hard to distinguish in regard of privacy violations |
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| 20:31.34 | baum | shouldn't uname -r list a kernel of a higher version? http://paste.debian.net/780744/ |
| 20:32.25 | greycat | uname -r gives the *package version* of the current booted kernel |
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| 20:32.34 | greycat | e.g. 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 20:33.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, what? |
| 20:34.09 | greycat | I may be using the wrong words. |
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| 20:34.28 | greycat | The package name is linux-image-$(uname -r) or linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 20:34.37 | jelly | !kernel abi |
| 20:34.37 | dpkg | Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
| 20:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2.6.32-042stab113.21 doesn't look like a debian kernel |
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| 20:35.13 | greycat | It's not. That's an OpenVZ VPS. |
| 20:35.13 | jelly | that's openvz / virtuozzo |
| 20:35.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | right.. that was my question |
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| 20:35.29 | baum | yes, it's on openvz |
| 20:35.30 | jelly | you can tell by the pixels |
| 20:35.41 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVz |
| 20:35.45 | jelly | I mean stab. And vaguely centos-like version |
| 20:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially the left one |
| 20:36.05 | teraflops | baum: you're stuck with the host kernel then |
| 20:36.27 | baum | teraflops: thanks |
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| 20:36.45 | greycat | The stabbing is a dead giveaway. That and the 2.6 part. |
| 20:36.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh. 2.6 heh.. my brain made that into 3.6 |
| 20:37.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it says "sorry 'bout that" |
| 20:37.41 | jelly | I assume they're going to switch to EL7 kernel at some point, so it's going to be 3.10-001stab42 then |
| 20:38.45 | greycat | I assume my OpenVZ VPS provider is never ever ever ever going to change the kernel, because it's just easier to assume that than to try to find out. |
| 20:39.16 | greycat | $ cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a |
| 20:39.17 | greycat | 7.11 |
| 20:39.17 | greycat | Linux remote 2.6.32-042stab090.5 #1 SMP Sat Jun 21 00:15:09 MSK 2014 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:39.21 | jelly | I like having control of kernel. So cheap xen vps for me. |
| 20:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | do they ever reboot all virtual machines of a physical one? |
| 20:40.24 | jelly | at $2/month with paravirtual everything, it's really not much more expensive than openvz |
| 20:41.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can have a different kernel version with xen? |
| 20:41.20 | jelly | yes. |
| 20:41.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | what has the world come to |
| 20:41.52 | jelly | it's a fully virtualized thing, not a container like openvz |
| 20:41.58 | teraflops | almost all those providers run solus os as control panel. it's trivial to enable run and all that shit that has to be enable on the host |
| 20:42.10 | teraflops | tun |
| 20:42.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought xen still shares at least kernel version, if not much else |
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| 20:43.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess it makes sense |
| 20:43.30 | jelly | Linux applejack 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.81-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:43.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh. applejack |
| 20:44.38 | jelly | (debian's kernels run on paravirtualized xen domU thingies without change) |
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| 20:45.17 | jelly | (I'm... not sure how the boot loader works, suspect it actively looks into my rootfs for the current kernel) |
| 20:45.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice |
| 20:45.39 | baum | just for clarification, means my host could upgrade the kernel right? or is this an openVZ thing? |
| 20:45.56 | baum | *disclaimer* never used openVZ |
| 20:46.06 | jelly | baum: it means you absolutely have no control of the kernel |
| 20:46.29 | jelly | what is the reason for wanting to upgrade it? |
| 20:46.38 | baum | docker |
| 20:46.52 | jelly | forget it, you're _already_ inside a container |
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| 20:47.07 | jelly | your whole vps is a container ;-) |
| 20:47.10 | baum | oh, you are right... |
| 20:47.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, so? |
| 20:47.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | never seen any matryoshka dolls? |
| 20:47.50 | jelly | and openvz is not fucking likely to support nested namespace competitor |
| 20:47.56 | baum | jelly: however it seems to be possible to run docker inside |
| 20:48.10 | baum | jelly: https://openvz.org/Docker_inside_CT |
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| 20:49.18 | jelly | well I fucking stand corrected. |
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| 20:49.33 | jelly | > Checkpointing and live migration of a container with Docker containers inside is not supported |
| 20:50.03 | baum | dang. yes you are, thanks |
| 20:50.07 | Syslq | How stable is debian testing? I run stable on laptop and some packages are just too old. |
| 20:50.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, you could say that a bit more family friendly |
| 20:50.37 | jelly | I could. |
| 20:50.52 | jelly | Syslq: it depends. |
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| 20:51.09 | Syslq | jelly, can you elaborate? :) |
| 20:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Syslq, what packages |
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| 20:51.23 | iLogic | hey guys, iâm trying to install the dvd image from a usb drive (copied via dd).. it loads the installer but then asked to verify the drive and throws a nasty error saying I dont have a disc etc.. If I copy the same image via cp image.iso /dev/sdX will the same thing happen? |
| 20:51.57 | Syslq | CutMeOwnThroat, overall system stability. I'm aware rolling release can backfire, but from experience, how often does this happen and how critical it is? |
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| 20:52.06 | jelly | Syslq: do you like your window manager or kernel or desktop environment sprouting three heads while attempting to sing La Marseillaise? |
| 20:52.08 | greycat | iLogic: dd and cp both give the same output |
| 20:52.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant... what packages are too old |
| 20:52.25 | iLogic | greycat: so I cant install the dvd1 iso via usb? |
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| 20:52.36 | Syslq | CutMeOwnThroat, ah you mean on stable. Kernel for starters. |
| 20:52.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, kernels |
| 20:52.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmp |
| 20:52.55 | greycat | you want judd |
| 20:52.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 20:52.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc4-686-pae (4.7~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.3-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.3-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1) |
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| 20:53.02 | jelly | Syslq: what are you missing from the current jessie kernel? |
| 20:53.08 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.7-rc7, stable 4.6: 4.6.4, stable 4.5: 4.5.7, longterm 4.4: 4.4.15, longterm 4.1: 4.1.27, longterm 3.18: 3.18.36, longterm 3.16: 3.16.36, longterm 3.14: 3.14.73, longterm 3.12: 3.12.61, longterm 3.10: 3.10.102, longterm 3.4: 3.4.112, longterm 3.2: 3.2.81, linux-next: next-20160712 |
| 20:53.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 20:53.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, old man, you're slow |
| 20:53.35 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:53.53 | jelly | in terms of functionality, not "ten minor release numbers" |
| 20:54.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Syslq, 4.6.0 new enough? |
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| 20:54.06 | Syslq | Yeah |
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| 20:54.24 | greycat | iLogic: Does the installer say you don't have a *hard drive*? What kind of hardware are you working with? Is it an actual HDD, or is it something incredibly new like a solid state "drive"? |
| 20:54.49 | iLogic | greycat: no, it looks as if searching for a cd/dvd disc |
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| 20:55.06 | iLogic | and iâm using a usb drive on a discless netbook |
| 20:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Syslq, ---> backports.debian.org |
| 20:55.18 | greycat | ?!?! |
| 20:55.19 | jelly | Syslq: /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
| 20:55.26 | Syslq | CutMeOwnThroat, it's just what I was going to ask. Is this from backports |
| 20:55.28 | greycat | How ... are you planning to install ... on a "discless" machine? |
| 20:55.44 | iLogic | greycat: iâm gonna try again in a moment, just waiting for the iso to cp |
| 20:55.52 | greycat | *facepalm* |
| 20:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | with a usb stick/disk, he said :) |
| 20:55.56 | Syslq | CutMeOwnThroat, jelly thanks. I'll use backport then. |
| 20:56.23 | jelly | iLogic: you will need a second usb stick to install to in addition to the usb stick you're going to install from. |
| 20:56.30 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: Did he say he has TWO usb "drives" and that he is booting from one and trying to install the other? I must have missed that part! |
| 20:56.35 | iLogic | jelly: why? |
| 20:56.41 | Syslq | Testing overall seems like "spending time doing useless stuf on pc" (I know backports are from testing or unstable) |
| 20:56.54 | jelly | iLogic: because the installer does not support installing on its own media. |
| 20:56.58 | greycat | iLogic: what physical object are you trying to install debian onto? |
| 20:57.16 | iLogic | greycat: netbook via usb drive |
| 20:57.24 | greycat | WHAT OBJECT INSIDE the machine? |
| 20:57.30 | iLogic | oh a hdd |
| 20:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, maybe s/diskless/without cd drive/ |
| 20:57.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | :D |
| 20:57.37 | greycat | You said there is no drive. So you are not .. WHAT?!? |
| 20:57.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | this time my brain did the right substitution |
| 20:57.53 | iLogic | it said no disc |
| 20:57.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 20:58.01 | jelly | offers greycat a chill pill |
| 20:58.04 | greycat | Jesus christ, someone translate this guy to english for me. |
| 20:58.10 | iLogic | who me? |
| 20:58.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | no compact disk. a hard disk is ok |
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| 21:01.55 | teraflops | that's what i undertood, he is using a usb drive for booting debian iso, it boots the installer, but when prompted for Detect and Mount CD-ROM: if fails miserably. |
| 21:02.05 | teraflops | understood* |
| 21:02.11 | jelly | iLogic: more than one person understood that your machine did not have any disk inside (not even a hard drive disk) |
| 21:02.49 | jelly | teraflops: that usually happens with media created using unetbootin and similar instead of bering written directly to the usb device |
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| 21:03.11 | teraflops | yeah |
| 21:03.32 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 21:03.33 | dpkg | < runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that. |
| 21:03.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | wut |
| 21:04.10 | jelly | it's a random quote. |
| 21:04.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | it means "anger" |
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| 21:05.06 | Malvok | i'm trying to install 8.5 amd64 dvd, i have a hard drive that is recognized by the bios but not the installer, when i ctrl-del-f2 and run parted it sees the drive and i can make partitions on it, but no luck with the installer, any ideas? |
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| 21:05.33 | iLogic | teraflops understood it correctly |
| 21:06.06 | Malvok | cxtrl-alt-f2, sorry |
| 21:06.12 | teraflops | iLogic: try expert install this time |
| 21:06.22 | Malvok | i was using expert install |
| 21:06.39 | teraflops | iLogic are you Malvok? ^ |
| 21:06.46 | Malvok | no, i misread |
| 21:06.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Malvok, it's weird. I think someone else had that, too, a couple of days ago... he just partitioned and mounted it outside the installer |
| 21:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Malvok, that's the stable installer? |
| 21:07.09 | jelly | iLogic: how did you write this image to the usb medium? |
| 21:07.10 | Malvok | yes, the stable installer |
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| 21:07.34 | iLogic | teraflops: no lol |
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| 21:09.46 | teraflops | iLogic: expert install has more options regarding cdrom iirc like https://ptpb.pw/9T7f.png, not sure if it will help though |
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| 21:10.37 | teraflops | iLogic: just to be sure you made the usb installer with dd/cp right? |
| 21:11.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Malvok, well, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=installation-reports;dist=stable |
| 21:11.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Malvok, I only see something about a fakeraid not being detected, though |
| 21:11.53 | iLogic | teraflops: with cp it actually worked |
| 21:12.09 | Malvok | i'll try mounting it outside the installer as you suggested |
| 21:12.09 | teraflops | ^ |
| 21:12.16 | iLogic | but know iâm getting all this weird problems with the usb drive when trying to create a new partition for the firmware files |
| 21:13.06 | greycat | !firmware images |
| 21:13.07 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 21:13.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Malvok, would probably be good to write a bug report on that |
| 21:13.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Malvok, maybe could also try the stretch installer to see if it's fixed |
| 21:13.51 | Malvok | ok, thanks |
| 21:14.07 | teraflops | iLogic: create a partition where? you cannot use the same usb where the installer is for partitioning from the installer, at least not the way you did it |
| 21:14.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | but as it seems nobody reported it... |
| 21:15.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Malvok, there's also #debian-boot over on irc.oftc.net ... that channel is directly geared towards the installer... but probably much slower to respond with fewer people |
| 21:15.44 | Malvok | cool, thanks |
| 21:16.13 | iLogic | teraflops: I was hoping to create a new partition on the 18mb free space it had left so I could copy the firmware there |
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| 21:17.08 | teraflops | iLogic: why dont you use the firmware non free iso instead? |
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| 21:17.43 | iLogic | teraflops: cause it doesnt load properly |
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| 21:18.10 | iLogic | at least not with a broadcom bcm4312 iâve been trying to detect since yesterday |
| 21:18.16 | teraflops | oh |
| 21:19.07 | iLogic | also, after I installed it apt-get would get slow as hell |
| 21:19.13 | iLogic | probably non related |
| 21:19.22 | iLogic | but iâm doing a fresh install to test it |
| 21:20.57 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 21:20.57 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 21:21.18 | jelly | iLogic: ^^ consider using that instead of the standard installer image |
| 21:21.30 | iLogic | are you even reading, jelly ? |
| 21:21.44 | iLogic | sorry for being rude, but dude.. |
| 21:21.57 | jelly | no, stuff scrolled off! |
| 21:22.20 | iLogic | sorry, iâve been trying that since sunday |
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| 21:22.24 | teraflops | iLogic: no usb stick at hand? |
| 21:22.24 | TomTomTosch | broadcom is a special snowflake. they don't like their firmware to be distributed. firmware-b43-installer downloads the firmware files from some magic place. |
| 21:22.57 | TomTomTosch | that's why the firmware installer doesn't provide that one. |
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| 21:23.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ooh. does the place have unicorns? |
| 21:23.56 | Syslq | TomTomTosch, yeah. This is why I was so happy when my intel wifi chip was replaced with broadcoms... But this b43-installer works |
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| 21:25.09 | teraflops | iLogic: or at this point consider just doing deboostraping from ubuntu or whatever |
| 21:25.16 | TomTomTosch | * if you have a working connection or a second machine to extract the files on. |
| 21:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rube goldberg install |
| 21:25.32 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 4.10 kernel on my microwave, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
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| 21:26.50 | iLogic | teraflops: nevermind.. i managed to install the dvd iso from the usb (via cp instead of dd) and will install the broadcom drivers later |
| 21:27.03 | teraflops | oh nice |
| 21:27.14 | iLogic | thanks for the help guys |
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| 21:27.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dd and cp should have the same result |
| 21:27.22 | iLogic | and sorry again for snapping, jelly |
| 21:27.38 | iLogic | CutMeOwnThroat: go figure.. |
| 21:27.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | your copy with dd probably broke off... or some problem writing to the stick or whatnot |
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| 21:28.22 | teraflops | CutMeOwnThroat: nope if you do an insane bs= on shitty usb/hdd |
| 21:28.29 | teraflops | it may fail |
| 21:28.30 | iLogic | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe |
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| 21:28.40 | iLogic | i did use bs=1M is it too much? |
| 21:28.45 | teraflops | nope ^ |
| 21:28.54 | teraflops | slow as hell btw |
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| 21:29.49 | iLogic | should I use 4M? |
| 21:29.52 | iLogic | or what? |
| 21:30.34 | teraflops | no idea depends on your hw but I guess 4M is fine for usb2.0 |
| 21:30.36 | jelly | iLogic: 'sokay, I really did not read the context |
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| 21:53.20 | axc1298 | what packages do you guys install to be able to browse an android phone's filesystem on debian? currently i can just extract all the pictures with gphoto2 |
| 21:53.34 | axc1298 | that's when i put it in PTP mode |
| 21:53.41 | spacebug^ | Hum, Firefox does not show some utf8 characters correct for me. I don't mean emojis (which also does not work for all but a few), I mean like chinese/japanese etc charahters |
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| 22:02.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | axc1298, nothing... it just mounts as a drive |
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| 22:02.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | axc1298, filemanager like pcmanfm or so can usually mount it |
| 22:03.15 | axc1298 | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesn't on mine |
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| 22:03.22 | axc1298 | i've tried dolphin and thunar |
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| 22:04.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, look what happens in dmesg when you plug it in |
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| 22:04.54 | axc1298 | i'm reading the arch wiki. seems i may need to install kio-extras for it to work |
| 22:04.58 | axc1298 | for mtp support |
| 22:06.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but this isn't mtp or ptp or whatever weird camera protocol |
| 22:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | it just pretends to be a hard disk |
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| 22:06.33 | TomTomTosch | newer android phones probably don't have a slave mode. |
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| 22:09.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is it called now... voluntary unpaid worker? |
| 22:09.42 | TomTomTosch | damn unions ruined it all. |
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| 22:12.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | axc1298, failing that.. there's also airdroid to transfer files via wifi (don't forget to use the local mode, else it all goes over remote servers) |
| 22:14.01 | axc1298 | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks i'll look into it if i need to |
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| 22:27.36 | Malvok | CutMeOwnThroat, i finally got it installed, used fdisk to create a partition, then the installer recognized the drive and i deleted the partition and created a new paretrition scheme with the installer |
| 22:28.00 | Malvok | thanks for you help |
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| 22:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
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| 23:23.20 | charliegreen | Hey, I'm having issues with waking up from hibernation. Disabling Kernel Mode-Setting fixes this, but I want to use KMS |
| 23:23.44 | charliegreen | Specifically, I'm having the problem specified in the debian wiki page on KMS under the i915 intel graphics card bug list |
| 23:23.52 | charliegreen | under "vbetool" |
| 23:24.20 | charliegreen | ie upon wake the screen freezes, is black, and just has an underscore in the upper left (which is apparently a kernel bug) |
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| 23:24.56 | charliegreen | the suggested fix is a modification to /etc/default/acpi-support, which doesn't exist on my system |
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| 23:25.38 | charliegreen | googling seems to indicate that this is perhaps outdated advice, as acpi-support appears deprecated |
| 23:25.55 | charliegreen | I'm on debian stretch with a 4.6 kernel |
| 23:26.16 | charliegreen | Any advice? |
| 23:27.20 | markybob | stretch support is on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. that wiki being perfect reason why. |
| 23:27.34 | vldcnst | Is this something I should fix? http://paste.debian.net/780776/ |
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| 23:28.08 | charliegreen | Ah, thank you, markybob; I thought it was on freenode and I couldn't join |
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| 23:57.11 | maher | I'm using firefox 45 in debian stable - is there any way to get the close tab buttons to show up on all the tabs? |
