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| 00:20.41 | fowlslegs | tripmix: For the record I misspoke earlier when I said that `apt-get download` required root for older versions. What really was the problem was that a sources.list.d/ entry had 0420 permissions, which for some reason Ansible's apt_repository module has started defaulting to. |
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| 00:21.55 | fowlslegs | It should be 644. Anyway, aptitude printed the actual problem whereas apt-get was giving me a very generic package-not-found message. |
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| 00:30.32 | McF | Hi, how do i load kernel modules in Etch, there is no /etc/modules.conf file, but still default modules are beeing loaded... |
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| 00:37.21 | personicfly | Hi, why won't os-prober detect my Windows 7 amd64 UEFI install? |
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| 00:46.57 | miesco | So I want to encrypt my hard drive with LUKS. Is LUKS a filesystem or... what is it? |
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| 00:50.27 | miesco | It says its a "device mapper" |
| 00:52.13 | TomTomTosch | no, LUKS/dm-crypt is a layer below the fs. it encrypts the whole fs. |
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| 00:54.03 | miesco | TomTomTosch: Oh I see. So it hides behind read() calls from the filesystem? |
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| 00:55.26 | TomTomTosch | afaik it's transparent to the user applications. |
| 00:55.57 | miesco | TomTomTosch: One more question. LUKS apparently can use a key instead of a password at boot time. I am confused about this. Is the key on the hard drive? If anyone can boot into the encrypted hard drive then how is it secure? |
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| 00:56.17 | tom99 | does the debian jessie 8.5 dvd disc 1 contain cmake? |
| 00:56.22 | tom99 | how do I determine that? |
| 00:56.56 | TomTomTosch | miesco: the key should be on a removable drive, else it doesn't make much sense. |
| 00:57.26 | miesco | TomTomTosch: Can it be on a smart card? |
| 00:57.36 | fowlslegs | Looking for advice on how to rewrite deb2aci from some people who maybe know Debian packaging tools better than I https://github.com/fowlslegs/deb2aci |
| 00:57.43 | TomTomTosch | miesco: no idea. |
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| 00:58.11 | miesco | Okay, well I'll figure it out. Can't find much resources on google. |
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| 00:59.09 | fowlslegs | Basically, deb2aci recursively parses the control files of debs to find their dependencies. Originally it was using apt-get, which would fail when given a virtual dependency. |
| 01:00.39 | fowlslegs | On the other handle aptitude doesn't handle dependencies of the form "package:any" (e.g., "python:any"). |
| 01:02.51 | jmcnaught | !tell tom99 about cd contents |
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| 01:04.28 | TheWarden | Hello |
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| 01:06.20 | TheWarden | How does one go about getting bluray playback to work in Debian Jessie using VLC? I've installed lilibbluray1 and bbluray-bdj. However I keep getting No valid processing key found in AACS config file. |
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| 01:07.02 | TheWarden | However I downloaded the KEYDB.cfg already that was updated in 2016-02-21 14:54:58. The disc I'm trying to play is Spaceballs... with a copyright of 2015. |
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| 01:08.25 | tom99 | lol thanks jmcnaught |
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| 01:09.36 | TheWarden | mmm The Goonies bluray appears to play. This must be a decryption key problem. |
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| 01:10.57 | TheWarden | so annoying. stupid DRM... just want to use it in a legit case and they have to make it difficult. |
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| 01:11.44 | tom99 | TheWarden those are #firstworldproblemsss |
| 01:11.56 | tom99 | which to be fair i guess my question also was |
| 01:12.02 | joze | my laptop drive has some firmware region lock that makes it impossible to run any kind of DVD :) |
| 01:12.08 | alphagammeticall | Hello. Is there some encryption option when installing debian net install with graphical installation? What kind of files does it encrypt? I mean, does it ecrypt the whole OS and the files? |
| 01:12.26 | TheWarden | tom99: yes I suppose it is fwp. Just trying to figure out how to do it. |
| 01:12.46 | TheWarden | joze: that is awful |
| 01:12.46 | alphagammeticall | if not, is it easy to encrypt the OS and its files after installation? I don't like windows 10 policies so I will be using it only for gaming and I will move to linux for everyday stuff |
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| 01:13.13 | alphagammeticall | joze: what kind of laptop is that? |
| 01:13.14 | epsilon | alphagammeticall: use dm_crypt during the step formatting the disk |
| 01:13.14 | TomTomTosch | alphagammeticall: the installer walks you through a complete encryption. |
| 01:13.41 | alphagammeticall | epsilon, TomTomTosch ok thanks :) |
| 01:13.54 | epsilon | alphagammeticall: it will encrypt everything beside /boot and kernel |
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| 01:17.38 | joze | the drives name is MATSHITA |
| 01:17.42 | joze | it's shit |
| 01:17.47 | joze | found on Lenovos |
| 01:19.07 | gustavopadre | hi guys, can someone explain me what are the advantages of keeping the same old kernel version like 3.16 and keep patching instead of installing the latest stable, like 4.6.4? |
| 01:19.30 | alphagammeticall | epsilon: I am not sure about it, please forgive my ignorance. Will it just encrypt my files that already exist or will it be encrypting everything that shows up on the operating system's files after the encryption procedure has been completed |
| 01:19.43 | dvs | gustavopadre, or getting a backported kernel |
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| 01:20.57 | epsilon | gustavopadre: the guarantee that the release will run as-is until it's support is ended. If the kernel version changes suddenly, some systems may break |
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| 01:21.24 | TomTomTosch | gustavopadre: the 3.16 kernel will be fine in most cases. as a stable distro the initial kernel version will be kept. you have the option to install a newer kernel from backports as dvs said. a kernel that is less tested but sometimes needed for hardware compatibility. |
| 01:21.55 | epsilon | <epsilon> alphagammeticall: it will encrypt everything beside /boot and kernel |
| 01:21.58 | gustavopadre | epsilon: i kind don't get it, newer kernel in theory only have things to add to existing hardware right? |
| 01:23.01 | epsilon | alphagammeticall: you create a dm_crype container, inside it the partitions containing filesystems (or LVM) |
| 01:23.06 | TomTomTosch | it can also introduce a new set of problems. |
| 01:23.31 | gustavopadre | TomTomTosch: even if it's the stable kernel version? |
| 01:23.37 | TomTomTosch | sure. |
| 01:24.15 | TomTomTosch | people wouldn't like forced kernel updates. |
| 01:24.21 | gustavopadre | TomTomTosch: by using debian stable, with 3.16 kernel, am I missing a lot of features of newer kernels? |
| 01:24.50 | epsilon | gustavopadre: it's ment to be run on servers for 5+ years. If you're using on desktop/laptop, go ahead install backports |
| 01:25.03 | TomTomTosch | nothing you would most likely notice. except for hardware compatibility. |
| 01:25.57 | gustavopadre | epsilon: I get it for servers and stuff. My 4 yrs old laptop runs fine in 3.16, I just don't know if I'm missing something from the newer versions of the kernel, like better power management, heating etc? |
| 01:26.03 | epsilon | gustavopadre: hardware support, such as for Laptops came out in past ~2 years |
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| 01:27.15 | epsilon | gustavopadre: on laptops go ahead with 4.x backport. You still keep 3.16 and have the choice to choose during the boot |
| 01:27.50 | gustavopadre | epsilon: Will I run into any unstabilities in my applications by doing this? and how can I do it? |
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| 01:28.16 | epsilon | usualy you don't have any issue |
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| 01:30.59 | debidi | gustavopadre: all kinds of bug fixes, optimizations etc.. not just new features |
| 01:31.35 | gustavopadre | debidi: aren't those bug fixes present in our kernel 3.16 which is longterm? |
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| 01:35.10 | TomTomTosch | mostly security related things. |
| 01:35.59 | TomTomTosch | ,kernels |
| 01:36.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc4-686-pae (4.7~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.3-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.3-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.3-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1) |
| 01:36.20 | TomTomTosch | gustavopadre: ^ get the one in jessie-backports if you want. |
| 01:36.50 | TomTomTosch | !tell gustavopadre about jessie-backports |
| 01:36.54 | gustavopadre | TomTomTosch: if I install the kernel from backports, I will be able to login into both 4.6 and 3.16 right? and after backports get updated, will my grub keep growing or I'll still have 3.16 and the newer backport? |
| 01:37.38 | TomTomTosch | you will keep having two kernels. |
| 01:37.56 | gustavopadre | 3.16 and the newer? |
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| 01:38.02 | TomTomTosch | yes |
| 01:38.44 | gustavopadre | so, when 4.6.4 go into backports I will be prompted with a update in apt-get update or I will have to sudo apt install linux-image-amd64/jessie-backports? |
| 01:39.11 | TomTomTosch | normal update, upgrade procedure. |
| 01:39.26 | gustavopadre | nice |
| 01:39.56 | gustavopadre | TomTomTosch: with all this, isn't less hassle to just use debian unstable? hehe |
| 01:40.29 | TomTomTosch | if you can handle the breakage. and from your questions i would say you are not. |
| 01:40.51 | TomTomTosch | s/are/can |
| 01:41.25 | TomTomTosch | it's a good idea to stay with stable for a while to learn how things work. |
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| 01:42.52 | gustavopadre | hehe, thx |
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| 01:57.16 | alphagammeticall | So, I am not sure how encrypting with pgp works. If I encrypt a file symmetrically and then send it to someone that knows the password and tries to decrypt it on their computer, will it be decrypted properly? |
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| 01:59.56 | epsilon | you crypt with public key of the receaving person. only the owner of the private key can decrypt it. Or the NSA/Chinese. |
| 02:00.55 | alphagammeticall | epsilon: oh I see. So the person would have to send me their public key file |
| 02:01.34 | alphagammeticall | epsilon: but how would the NSA/chinese decrypt it? are there backdoors or what? |
| 02:01.53 | TomTomTosch | just ignore that part... |
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| 02:02.29 | alphagammeticall | I am not sure how public keys work |
| 02:03.07 | finchd | pgp isn't symmetric tho.... |
| 02:03.35 | alphagammeticall | finchd: I am talking about gpg |
| 02:03.44 | TomTomTosch | the cryptographic methode is asymetric. you generate a keypair first. one private, one public. the public is made to encrypt data that is to be sent to you. that data can only be decrypted using the private key. |
| 02:04.01 | finchd | alphagammeticall: gpg is a program that does pgp-format encyrpt/decrypt |
| 02:06.15 | sypher | finchd: gpg does have a symmetric mode. |
| 02:06.18 | epsilon | pgp is asymmetric, cause sender and reveacer has own pub/priv keypair (ok, technically the content is crypted symmetric, but thats not the point) |
| 02:07.40 | njumdl2014 | In the webpage(ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/h/hnb/), I want to obtain the source code for hnb_1.9.18-10. There are three useful files, hnb_1.9.18-10.dsc, hnb_1.9.18.org.tar.gz hnb_1.9.18-10.debian.tar.gz. |
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| 02:07.51 | finchd | *shrug* pub/priv is basically prime numbers - multiplying is easy but finding out if something is prime or not can only be done by bruteforce |
| 02:08.02 | njumdl2014 | How could I get the source code for hnb_1.9.18-10? |
| 02:08.31 | epsilon | apt-get source <package> |
| 02:08.34 | finchd | source is probably in the last one - org probably has the original before debian maintainer modified |
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| 02:09.27 | njumdl2014 | This is an outdated version, apt-get source only get the latest version, right? |
| 02:09.52 | njumdl2014 | There are some patches in hnb_1.9.18-10.debian.tar.gz. |
| 02:10.10 | njumdl2014 | So I need method to automate patch those patches. |
| 02:10.44 | TomTomTosch | njumdl2014: if the package is still listed in the repo you can specify a version with apt-get source <pkg>=<version> |
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| 02:11.07 | finchd | njumdl2014: probably "for i in ./*.patch; do patch %(basename $i) $i; done" or something but I'm a bit rusty |
| 02:11.19 | alphagammeticall | I remember reading about different kinds of encryption, depending on 'how much' encrypted a file is. What are the available encryption depths with gpg? Is the maximum like 512bit |
| 02:11.55 | finchd | thought 20148bit was the new standard? |
| 02:11.59 | TomTomTosch | 4096 bit iirc. |
| 02:12.00 | finchd | *2048 |
| 02:12.05 | finchd | ah |
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| 02:12.26 | TomTomTosch | 2048 being the standard, 4096 is max. |
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| 02:12.37 | alphagammeticall | oh I read outdated info then |
| 02:13.13 | finchd | things like 256 & 512 are probably breakable in reasonable time |
| 02:13.25 | epsilon | go 4096 |
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| 02:14.31 | TomTomTosch | while generating a new keypait it asks you what keysize you want. bot 2048 and 4096 are fine. |
| 02:14.51 | TomTomTosch | s/keypait/keypair it's late... nn |
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| 02:16.42 | epsilon | and use secure password... even you generate a 4096 key, it's useless if the passphrase is weak and one day private key has been stolen (stolen notebok for example) |
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| 02:18.29 | njumdl2014 | apt-get source hnb=1.9.18-10. I couldn't get the source code. |
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| 02:19.30 | TomTomTosch | njumdl2014, it should if you have the deb-src line in your sources. |
| 02:21.31 | jmcnaught | njumdl2014: maybe if you showed us the error message? |
| 02:22.18 | njumdl2014 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch main contrib non-free |
| 02:22.18 | njumdl2014 | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch main contrib non-free |
| 02:22.32 | njumdl2014 | I have those two lines in my source.list |
| 02:22.51 | njumdl2014 | apt-get source hnb=1.9.18-10 |
| 02:22.51 | njumdl2014 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 02:22.51 | njumdl2014 | E: Can not find version '1.9.18-10' of package 'hnb' |
| 02:22.51 | njumdl2014 | E: Unable to find a source package for hnb |
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| 02:23.16 | alphagammeticall | epsilon .. so.. a public key is a thing that encrypts a file in a way that the private key can decrypt? |
| 02:23.35 | epsilon | yes |
| 02:23.45 | TomTomTosch | if he comes back one could tell him that this version only exist in the jessie repo, not stretch. |
| 02:24.15 | jmcnaught | TomTomTosch: yeah i noticed that too. off to bed with you! :P |
| 02:24.34 | TomTomTosch | okayo x) |
| 02:25.28 | alphagammeticall | epsilon: i saw some vids on youtube of people decrypting files with pgp and the files were becoming smaller. i can't understand how that's possible |
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| 02:27.36 | njumdl2014 | The error message is in http://paste.debian.net/781887/. |
| 02:27.55 | jmcnaught | ,v hnb |
| 02:27.56 | judd | Package: hnb on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.9.18-7; wheezy: 1.9.18-9; jessie: 1.9.18-10; stretch: 1.9.18+ds1-1; sid: 1.9.18+ds1-1 |
| 02:28.18 | jmcnaught | njumdl2014: ^^ 1.9.18-10 is in jessie, the version in stretch is 1.9.18+ds1-1 |
| 02:28.51 | jmcnaught | the changes are probably just to the debian packaging judging by the version numbers, but you'd have to check the changelogs to be sure |
| 02:28.53 | alphagammeticall | someone should make a social network that would use pgp and share the public key with people they 'friend request' but in the same time it would be user-friendly |
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| 02:30.10 | njumdl2014 | You are right, I tried in Jessie. It works. Thank you. |
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| 02:31.27 | jmcnaught | njumdl2014: on stretch you could have also tried using "dget" with the URL to the .dsc file that you can find on the package's info page: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/hnb |
| 02:32.04 | jmcnaught | if you wanted the source for that specific version. like i said, the version in stretch probably has the same upstream version |
| 02:32.44 | njumdl2014 | I have found the command to obtain the source code : dpkg-source -x XXXX.dsc |
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| 02:50.02 | ZeuxBlack | is back from: $null - was away for: 2428wks 2days 1hr 50mins 4secs |
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| 03:21.43 | iLogic | hey guys, anyone tried the last version (1.0) of plexmediaserver on debian jessie? |
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| 03:53.04 | jmcnaught | jmd: check the settings for your desktop environment or window manager. on some you can right click on the desktop to change it. |
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| 03:59.30 | jmd | jmcnaught: So far as I'm aware, that is not controlled either by the DE or the WM. It is part of the X configuration itself. |
| 04:00.07 | awal1 | jmd, desktop-base ? |
| 04:00.11 | jmd | ?? |
| 04:00.27 | jmd | awal1: What does that mean? |
| 04:02.01 | awal1 | debian standar install, when installing x desktop task, includes tasdk-desktop pkg; wallpapers are located at /usr/share/images, if thats your case, jmd |
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| 04:03.17 | awal1 | update-alternatives can be used for choose background for grub, DM... |
| 04:03.43 | jmd | awal1: Right. I see. Thanks for pointing this out. |
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| 04:20.03 | awal1 | includes desktop-base ^ |
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| 04:57.15 | ^v | any dark themes that work in the latest cinnamon (sid) |
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| 05:02.55 | somiaj | ^v: you can most likely install themes inside of your users $HOME, maybe more specific cinnamon support can help with this (that is if you can't find a theme you like that is a debian package) |
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| 05:08.37 | ^v | somiaj, eh my issue was actually gtk 3.20 |
| 05:08.49 | ^v | ill have to find a new theme |
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| 07:15.42 | vvor | suddenly in bash C-r (reverse-i-search) gives me empty completion (with a full .bash_history file of course) any ideas are appreciated |
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| 07:21.41 | babilen | vvor: #bash might also be a good place to ask .. quite early still |
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| 07:22.45 | vvor | babilen: thanks I will |
| 07:23.49 | Zliba | what is "192.168.1.0/8" vs "192.168.1.0/24" can someone tell me what search term I should look for lol? |
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| 07:26.48 | babilen | vvor: Ah, I see you asked there already before even coming here |
| 07:27.11 | babilen | Zliba: Different CIDR |
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| 07:31.02 | RayzrShrp | is it possible to have a site-to-site vpn between a debian machine and a cisco asa? |
| 07:31.30 | vvor | babilen: yep :) |
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| 07:35.22 | donoban | Hi, I'm thinking on doing an external /boot partition on an USB key so I could encrypt full hard disks, and also could use a keyfile for LUKS, but I also would like to unmount the USB and disconnect it once the system is booted, any experiences or comments with this? |
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| 07:45.14 | donoban | Zliba: are subnets, the /8 and /24 determines the size of the subnet. /24 is the std 255.255.255.0 netmask, so the subnet range goes to 192.168.1.1-255 |
| 07:45.40 | Zliba | donoban, and /8 is? |
| 07:46.00 | Zliba | donoban, oh i got it. i understand |
| 07:46.00 | donoban | I don't remeber at this moment, I think it's a bigger subnet |
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| 07:46.30 | donoban | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subnetwork |
| 07:46.39 | Zliba | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.04 | donoban | so it goes from 192.168.1.0 to 192.255.255.254 |
| 07:47.04 | Zliba | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.13 | Zliba | got it |
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| 07:48.36 | internat | hi guys, any recommendation for bandwith shaping / allocation? Im using debian on a laptop as my router, but want to make sure one device cant steal everything, eg the xbox. |
| 07:49.04 | donoban | Zliba: I think 192.168.1.0/8 is wrong, should be 192.0.0.0/8 |
| 07:49.47 | babilen | Zliba: Just read up on CIDR, there's a wonderful Wikipedia article with many examples |
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| 07:50.02 | babilen | Sorry, I thought you had found it already. That's why I mentioned CIDR |
| 07:50.45 | donoban | anyone using a usb for booting debian install? |
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| 07:51.55 | babilen | donoban: Those are different networks |
| 07:52.48 | babilen | Zliba: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_Inter-Domain_Routing#IPv4_CIDR_blocks -- that's what I was thinking of |
| 07:54.18 | donoban | babilen: if prefix is /8 and mask 255.0.0.0 , only first number could be part of the subnet |
| 07:54.35 | donoban | in 192.168.1.0/8 , 168.1 is part of the host address |
| 07:55.05 | babilen | indeed |
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| 09:08.56 | julius_ | hi |
| 09:09.21 | julius_ | ive updated flash a zillion times now, will it ever be useable without telling firefox to explicitely allow it? |
| 09:11.03 | hexnewbie | julius_: Open "about:plugins". Does it say Version: 11.2.202.626? |
| 09:11.33 | julius_ | i just did another update and i believe it updated to that one...need to restart firefox |
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| 09:11.54 | hexnewbie | 626 was from weeks ago |
| 09:12.27 | hexnewbie | I am sorry, it was from nearly two months ago. |
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| 09:14.03 | julius_ | ah, finally firefox stops complaining |
| 09:14.33 | julius_ | any guesses on when html5 video will overthrow the evil flash? |
| 09:14.52 | hexnewbie | Well, yeah, it tends to complain when your Flash has serious vulnerabilities, and you haven't updated it for two months :) |
| 09:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | because 2 months for flash are like 2 years for other software |
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| 10:31.12 | formaggio | Hello everyone |
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| 10:31.53 | formaggio | I have an USB serial device that NetworkManager keeps stealing, udev rules seem to be ignored... Any tips? |
| 10:32.27 | formaggio | I've already tried appending 'ENV{ID_MM_DEVICE_IGNORE}="1"' to the udev rule, but it doesn't seem to have any effect |
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| 10:53.10 | XTF | Hi. What's the link command to use the thread sanitizer with G++? I've got undefined reference to `__tsan_init' ... |
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| 11:54.58 | goldkatze | Hi :-) |
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| 11:56.27 | goldkatze | I'm looking for a very easy raster graphics editing tool, which has PDF import; some user needs to blacken parts of PDF scans. I'd myself use Gimp, but it can hardly be the simplest around⦠Targeted for a Qt/KDE desktop environment. Any suggestions, please? |
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| 11:58.51 | dutchfish | goldkatze, PDFEdit maybe? |
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| 12:01.55 | dutchfish | goldkatze, its in o-o-stable, maybe it can be recompiled for jessie, not tried it yet |
| 12:02.51 | goldkatze | Uhmâ¦I'd rather not get adventurous for such simple tasks. Things are supposed to be maintainable :-) |
| 12:03.30 | dutchfish | goldkatze, well, the simplest solution if use another format from your scanner and after editing export it as a pdf |
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| 12:04.24 | goldkatze | Sure, I just dont know any proper, simple raster editing tool. |
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| 12:05.25 | dutchfish | goldkatze, gwenview? |
| 12:05.43 | dutchfish | goldkatze, f-spot |
| 12:05.56 | dutchfish | goldkatze, there are more |
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| 12:08.45 | dutchfish | goldkatze, btw okular has reviewing tools |
| 12:08.59 | dutchfish | goldkatze, like mark, blackening etc |
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| 12:09.48 | goldkatze | dutchfish: gwenview cant blacken parts, afaik. okular cant do that for raster either, though it's a sweet idea for blackening PDFs, if changing review tool color to black in settings. fspot is gtk/gnome. |
| 12:11.15 | dutchfish | goldkatze, draw from libreoffice is another one |
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| 12:20.37 | MeanEYE | Anyone knows of repo which has nVidia driver 364 or packages I can download? |
| 12:20.56 | MeanEYE | Also, for Debian testing. |
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| 12:29.25 | towo` | MeanEYE, the steamos repo contains recent nvidia-driver |
| 12:29.54 | towo` | MeanEYE, but since steamos is not debian, you are on your own and you will not get support here |
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| 12:34.40 | canopus | Hi |
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| 12:36.08 | canopus | When I'm on a tty (not a terminal emulator within a X session), I can't get the beep working |
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| 12:36.51 | canopus | printf "\a" doesn't make any sound |
| 12:37.51 | canopus | is it possible to get the beep working on tty's? |
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| 12:44.27 | gnugr | canopus: try echo -e '\a' instead printf |
| 12:45.13 | canopus | it doesn't make anything either |
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| 12:46.02 | canopus | I can play sound files with mplayer for example though |
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| 12:46.36 | gnugr | weired, it works on me |
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| 12:47.42 | canopus | seems that it's "disabled" but I don't know |
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| 13:05.42 | user123irc | how to install software center on debian ? |
| 13:06.11 | unborn | user123irc: apt-get install synaptic |
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| 13:07.19 | user123irc | unborn: and how to install ubuntu software centre ? |
| 13:08.05 | unborn | user123irc: use ubuntu for that. |
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| 13:08.34 | user123irc | unborn: in that synaptic I cannot even find an torrent client and other things... |
| 13:09.07 | unborn | user123irc: there is something like packages already in my system.. is that what you looking for? |
| 13:09.40 | unborn | just use search option.. perhaps try to search for transmission - that is good torrent client |
| 13:10.22 | user123irc | unborn: yes I would like an transmission but cannot installed |
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| 13:11.36 | user123irc | there is nothing in that synaptics and by command line it doesint install |
| 13:12.03 | unborn | whats the error message you getting out on terminal user123irc |
| 13:12.16 | user123irc | package not fount |
| 13:12.20 | user123irc | found |
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| 13:12.37 | user123irc | unborn: maybe im typing wrong command ? |
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| 13:13.52 | unborn | user123irc: apt-get install transmission-gtk |
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| 13:16.18 | user123irc | unborn: unable to locate package |
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| 13:16.54 | unborn | user123irc: what debian version you are using? |
| 13:17.42 | user123irc | latest 32 bit |
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| 13:22.53 | unborn | jessie gnome? |
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| 13:24.27 | cR3Zx | guys am experiencing a very low volume in my debian system even when the volume is at 100, any help? thanks |
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| 13:57.36 | cyphix | How can I install a package with apt-get without setting the package as being manually installed? |
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| 13:58.33 | Xenthys | cyphix: is that package a dependency of another one which is installed? |
| 13:59.05 | bgardner | cyphix: Install it and then mark it as auto? Not sure why you want to, though. |
| 13:59.28 | cyphix | Xenthys: exactly. Actually, I want to force a reinstallation of a dependency |
| 13:59.44 | Nik05 | cyphix apt-mark auto |
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| 14:03.15 | cyphix | thank you! |
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| 14:13.24 | gvvg | Hi - while doing a apt-get dist-upgrade - I got a warning that the kernel that was abeing removed was the one that was running and so I choose to stop the upgrade - now I can't upgrade anymore - many unmet dependencies - I can't do apt-get -f install - not sure what to do :( I do have a backup but it will take hours - any suggestions? |
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| 14:14.11 | baraba | dist-upgrade again? |
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| 14:15.15 | gvvg | it says The following packages have unmet dependencies: - so I try apt-get -f install and it fails with the same message - grub-pc is not installed |
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| 14:43.36 | CtrlC | I want to create a portable USB with debian installed on. Is there any multiarch approach? |
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| 14:49.18 | pabs3 | CtrlC: normal Debian can run from USB just fine |
| 14:50.03 | CtrlC | pabs3: I don't want it to be live. Want to install it normally. |
| 14:50.47 | pabs3 | yeah, normal Debian works for that. I did it in 2006 |
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| 14:51.52 | pabs3 | 2 USB sticks would be the easiest install method, one for the installer and one for the system |
| 14:52.32 | pabs3 | the worst part is you have to manually set the BIOS/EFI on every machine you use to boot from USB |
| 14:52.49 | CtrlC | pabs3: Installing it is not an issue. It working on 32bit and 64bit systems is. Well of course if I don't want to just use the 32bit version. |
| 14:53.11 | CtrlC | oh! Grub! |
| 14:53.27 | pabs3 | I doubt you'll have any use for the 32-bit version, pretty much every computer is 64-bit these days |
| 14:53.48 | CtrlC | Maybe I'd better just write a script for doing the config on live version. |
| 14:53.50 | pabs3 | but since Debian doesn't yet support Secure Boot, you may not be able to boot it on some EFI machines |
| 14:56.31 | CtrlC | ok. Any clue how to dd it to a partition alone and not the whole USB? |
| 14:56.33 | missmbob | live doesnt support efi even without secure boot, fyi |
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| 14:56.54 | CtrlC | efi won't be an issue. |
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| 15:05.12 | Velveeta_Chef | having this weird issue where all web browsing just stops, and no matter what browser I use I can't get anywhere |
| 15:05.22 | Velveeta_Chef | but IRC, DNS, Email still work fine |
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| 15:08.33 | bgardner | Velveeta_Chef: Proxy in use? |
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| 15:11.00 | pabs3 | CtrlC: we don't have non-live preinstalled images, you'll need to use the installer as per usual |
| 15:11.25 | gvvg | Hi again - my debian wheezy is broken after a failed upgrade - are there any instructions on how to backout - I don't have /bin/sh anymore and apt-get or dpkg - keep failing... sorry to ask again |
| 15:11.27 | CtrlC | pabs3: It's not the issue as I said. |
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| 15:11.57 | Velveeta_Chef | no, no proxy in use |
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| 15:12.50 | pabs3 | CtrlC: I was referring to your mention of dd as an install method |
| 15:13.11 | CtrlC | pabs3: For live version I meant. |
| 15:13.48 | Velveeta_Chef | it takes a few hours before it starts happening |
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| 15:20.09 | cR3Zx | guys my am experiencing a very low audio output in my debian system even at 100 volume, any help its killing me |
| 15:20.48 | TomTomTosch | cR3Zx: check alsamixer and pavucontrol |
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| 15:23.54 | cR3Zx | TomTomTosch, i have already check alsamixer and pavucontrol they are all at 100 but still the volume is very low |
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| 15:26.01 | gvvg | Hi - my system is broken - during an upgrade from wheezy to jessie - I need help to force or manually install /bin/sh - apt-get fails and I need to slowly install packages until I can get apt-get to function properly again - I would like to use dpkg -i --force-install ? any help? |
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| 15:27.47 | themill | gvvg: can you pastebin some relevant output? |
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| 15:28.54 | gvvg | themill: http://pasted.co/6c443960 |
| 15:29.23 | themill | what's the output of "apt-cache policy bash" at the moment? |
| 15:30.03 | themill | Do you have any bash packages in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 15:30.36 | gvvg | http://pasted.co/166c3086 |
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| 15:31.29 | gvvg | http://pasted.co/2ec03470 |
| 15:31.47 | themill | gvvg: and what does "ls -l /bin/*sh" say? |
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| 15:32.31 | gvvg | themill: http://pasted.co/ba9e526f |
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| 15:34.35 | pabs3 | gvvg: what about "echo $PATH"? |
| 15:34.57 | gvvg | root@irf:/var/cache/apt/archives# echo $PATH |
| 15:34.59 | gvvg | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 15:35.23 | themill | gvvg: and what does "ls -l /bin/*sh" say? (you might have missed that one) |
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| 15:36.21 | gvvg | ls: cannot access /bin/*sh: No such file or directory |
| 15:36.26 | themill | egads |
| 15:36.32 | gvvg | yeah |
| 15:36.45 | gvvg | I need to install shell but I don't know how - lots of dependancies missing |
| 15:36.53 | gvvg | the backup isn't good either :( |
| 15:37.07 | themill | well start with that bash package you've got there: "dpkg -x bash_4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3_amd64.deb /" |
| 15:37.14 | gvvg | I guess apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't have backups or rollback? |
| 15:37.17 | themill | (dpkg -x just unpacks it without installing it) |
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| 15:38.04 | gvvg | yay |
| 15:38.07 | themill | do the same for a dash package if you've got it |
| 15:38.08 | gvvg | now I have bash |
| 15:38.11 | windows10-user | pencilandpaper: |
| 15:38.15 | gvvg | do I need dash? |
| 15:38.32 | themill | gvvg: sh would normally be a symlink to dash and dash has fewer dependencies |
| 15:38.54 | gvvg | I can wget the dash package |
| 15:38.58 | gvvg | if you suggest |
| 15:39.15 | themill | ah, do you not already have it in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 15:40.47 | gvvg | I downloaded it and now I have sh too - ok but now when I do apt-get -f install I get : E: The package bash needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 15:42.04 | themill | gvvg: ok, so next step, dpkg -i bash_4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3_amd64.deb |
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| 15:43.16 | CtrlC | What's the different between standard iso and gnome desktop version? |
| 15:43.38 | themill | gvvg: You have the wheezy bash package installed but only jessie in the sources.list so apt can't figure out how to install the package |
| 15:43.45 | Manis | Hi. I want to set up an encrypted home folder and swap partition. What is the preferred way to do this? dm-crypt or ecryptfs? |
| 15:44.00 | gvvg | themill: ok so I need to change my sources back to wheezy until it is stable again? |
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| 15:44.43 | pabs3 | CtrlC: standard is just a command-line interface, no GUI |
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| 15:45.01 | CtrlC | oh thanks. |
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| 16:11.38 | themill | gvvg: That depends on whether it's really just bash or other packages as well. You could possibly add both in at this stage |
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| 16:12.16 | gvvg | themill: so add 2 sets of sources for jessie and wheezy? at the same time? |
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| 16:22.14 | themill | gvvg: yes, that's possible. Sometimes that will confuse apt in calculating the upgrade, but sometimes it will help it find older packages to reinstall dependencies, such as now |
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| 16:54.44 | CtrlC | How do I turn off and on a device like the keyboard? |
| 16:55.40 | CtrlC | I have a mouse that sometimes stops working. The only way to make it work again is to reboot. So looking for a less time consuming way. |
| 16:56.55 | Bliepo | CtrlC: Is it just the mouse? So keyboard still works? In which case, did you try Control + Alt + F6 and then Control + Alt + F7? |
| 16:57.46 | CtrlC | Bliepo: Yes. Just the mouse. I tried. Not working. the problem is the hardware. |
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| 16:58.29 | Bliepo | CtrlC: Replugging it doesn't work either I take it? |
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| 16:58.52 | CtrlC | Bliepo: No. Only reboot worked so far. |
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| 17:00.36 | Bliepo | CtrlC: In that case I don't know whether turning it off and on again will help, but it's worth a try ofc. Some googling turned up this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18765725/turning-off-a-single-usb-device-again, but I don't know if it's helpful. |
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| 17:01.01 | sine0 | on debian 8 is there a one meta package command for lamp install |
| 17:01.19 | sine0 | sudo apt-get install lamp-server^ & |
| 17:02.00 | missmbob | sine0: no |
| 17:03.34 | sine0 | missmbob: how comes not ? |
| 17:04.06 | CtrlC | Bliepo: I'll give it a try. Thanks. |
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| 17:05.01 | missmbob | sine0: because it can mean many different things. do you want apache or lighttpd or ngix? or php or perl or python? or mariadb or mysql? |
| 17:05.28 | missmbob | sine0: so you pick what you want |
| 17:05.32 | sine0 | lamp has always meant Apache Mysql Php |
| 17:05.36 | sine0 | but I get your point |
| 17:06.26 | missmbob | sine0: those things didn't exist back then |
| 17:06.30 | CtrlC | Bliepo: Nope. Didn't work. |
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| 17:07.00 | Bliepo | CtrlC: Sorry to hear mate. Best I can do. Maybe someone else can help. |
| 17:07.35 | CtrlC | Bliepo: Thank you. I appreciate your help. |
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| 17:20.55 | jhutchins | CtrlC: What about just unplugging it and plugging it back in. |
| 17:21.15 | CtrlC | jhutchins: Not working. |
| 17:21.44 | jhutchins | CtrlC: That suggests that it's the port that has the problem rather than the mouse. Got another port you can try? |
| 17:22.07 | jhutchins | CtrlC: Does dmesg show anything interesting? |
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| 17:22.11 | CtrlC | jhutchins: I got two usb ports. Both same. |
| 17:22.24 | CtrlC | jhutchins: Didn't find anything interesting. no. |
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| 17:22.40 | jhutchins | CtrlC: Doesn't show a disconnect? |
| 17:22.47 | CtrlC | The port works with other devices though. |
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| 17:22.57 | CtrlC | jhutchins: I can't recall |
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| 17:26.27 | jhutchins | lsusb sometimes redetects devices. |
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| 17:33.00 | jasabella | hello |
| 17:33.41 | jasabella | i installed kde-plasma-desktop and cant figure out which package it is that provides panels, does anyone know its name? :) |
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| 17:35.14 | geir_ | Hi! I |
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| 17:35.51 | geir_ | I've setup a debian 8 server, but the screen on it is double so I cant read anything |
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| 17:36.02 | geir_ | any ideas? The server is an old laptop |
| 17:36.57 | geir_ | With double i mean the text is written twice, first on the left half then on the right |
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| 17:37.04 | Bliepo | geir_: If you're using it as a server, why not just install openssh-server and use ssh to access the machine? |
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| 17:37.25 | geir_ | I am, but I'd like to access it from the laptop screen as well :) |
| 17:37.27 | nba | maybe it's a graphic driver problem |
| 17:37.44 | geir_ | nba, I think so. I remember doing something in b |
| 17:37.57 | geir_ | groub once, but cant remember what |
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| 17:38.11 | Bliepo | geir_: Try setting nomodeset in grub |
| 17:38.16 | Bliepo | Or deleting it |
| 17:38.18 | nba | I never use KDE, don't know how to fix your problem |
| 17:38.54 | geir_ | Bliepo: I'll restart and test |
| 17:39.16 | nba | try the light weight xfce4 |
| 17:39.17 | Bliepo | geir_: Good luck! |
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| 17:41.28 | geir_ | maybe I did it worng but It now says cant find nomodeset |
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| 17:42.17 | geir_ | I'll try again. See what I did wrong |
| 17:42.43 | nba | what's your laptop spec? |
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| 17:44.59 | optraz | how do i switch from intel to nvidia vga in debian? |
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| 17:45.22 | geir_ | nomodeset did the trick, thanks guys :) |
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| 17:51.43 | AndreV | re |
| 17:52.02 | AndreV | does moun cifs supports bg as mount nsf does? |
| 17:52.22 | AndreV | not nsf,but nfs |
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| 17:55.18 | jasabella | hi |
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| 17:57.02 | jhutchins | AndreV: Mount is mount. |
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| 17:58.16 | AndreV | yeah, correct |
| 17:58.39 | jhutchins | AndreV: smbclient is a foreground interactive process. |
| 17:59.31 | AndreV | but is there a way to mount a folder , a shared folder, in particular a guest os shared folder on a host os which performs mount command execution in prior to guest vm start |
| 17:59.32 | AndreV | ? |
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| 18:00.12 | AndreV | the mount nfs has a bg key which allows mounting after the network resource is up |
| 18:00.39 | AndreV | which doesnt require the resource to be up for mounting |
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| 18:00.52 | AndreV | but mounts the resource once it got available |
| 18:00.58 | AndreV | as I understand |
| 18:01.06 | AndreV | but cifs mount? |
| 18:01.15 | AndreV | does it have a similar solution? |
| 18:01.33 | jhutchins | AndreV: mount is mount. |
| 18:01.58 | jhutchins | AndreV: partition, device, network share, loopback - mount is mount. |
| 18:02.41 | jhutchins | AndreV: A cifs share uses a different driver/interpreter than nfs, otherwise pretty much the same. Different ways of handling ownership/permissions. |
| 18:03.22 | jhutchins | AndreV: The one difference between nfs/cifs filesystems is that networking had to be up for them to work, so they generally mount later in the boot process. |
| 18:03.29 | AndreV | but what if I need perform a mount command which is actually samba mount not at once after the os is started, but after a resource which I want to mount is up? |
| 18:03.45 | AndreV | Is there a way to say and define the task to a computer under debian8? |
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| 18:03.54 | jhutchins | AndreV: mount -t cifs //network/share /mountpoint |
| 18:04.15 | jhutchins | AndreV: Or put it in fstab with the _netdev option. |
| 18:04.26 | AndreV | yes, jhutchinsm but if the resource is not yet available, but starts withn some 1 or two minutes |
| 18:04.40 | AndreV | after the ^^ command is executed |
| 18:05.30 | AndreV | no other way to add a delay for mounting |
| 18:05.30 | AndreV | ? |
| 18:05.35 | AndreV | ok, will try |
| 18:05.43 | jhutchins | AndreV: You can use sleep to delay a command. |
| 18:05.50 | AndreV | sleep? |
| 18:06.01 | AndreV | mm |
| 18:06.06 | AndreV | let me google that |
| 18:07.22 | AndreV | can the sleep be used within fstab? |
| 18:08.35 | TomTomTosch | no, only as a shell command. it's part of the coreutils. |
| 18:08.52 | AndreV | probably the following solution can be used for the objects defined above |
| 18:09.08 | AndreV | Yes it's possible. just create an init script and place it into /etc/init.d/. |
| 18:09.08 | AndreV | Then register the script with the different runlevels. via the following command: |
| 18:09.08 | AndreV | update-rc.d <scriptname> defaults 99 01 |
| 18:09.08 | AndreV | The 99 means, it is called at the very end of the boot process. |
| 18:09.08 | AndreV | Sophisticated daemon scripts look like /etc/init.d/skeleton. |
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| 18:18.08 | sunoano | anybody seen that error before http://pastebin.com/8BYYqHbc |
| 18:18.39 | sunoano | GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable InRelease: At least one invalid signature was encountered. |
| 18:18.52 | sunoano | The repository 'http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable InRelease' is not signed. |
| 18:19.03 | sunoano | ist that me our is there something wrong with the repo? |
| 18:19.13 | jhutchins | sunoano: More concentrated knowledge of sid in #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 18:19.29 | jhutchins | !mirror status |
| 18:19.29 | sunoano | no answer there... |
| 18:19.29 | dpkg | Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html and http://ftp.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ Ask me about <mirrors>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 18:21.59 | optraz | anyone here know how to switch from intel vga to nvidia 3d vga? |
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| 18:24.06 | jhutchins | !bumblebee |
| 18:24.06 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:24.23 | Alver | Hello. The debian installers (stable, testing, daily) kernel panic on my arm64 hardware. I obviously can't run "reportbug". What package do I file this under? The kernel, or debian-installer? |
| 18:24.25 | jhutchins | optraz: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/hybrid_graphics |
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| 18:25.01 | jhutchins | Alver: Is there a live image you can try? |
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| 18:25.14 | Alver | jhutchins: not a debian one, no. |
| 18:25.34 | Alver | jhutchins: centos gets to the installer, but debian panics very soon. |
| 18:25.53 | jhutchins | Alver: Obviously different kernels with different patches. |
| 18:26.03 | Alver | jhutchins: exactly :) |
| 18:26.19 | Alver | jhutchins: http://ziff.init6.eu/mp30_debian-stretch-alpha7.txt is the serial output from the latest stretch alpha 7 |
| 18:26.30 | jhutchins | Alver: I believe there are two different arm architectures. Perhaps you have the wrong one? |
| 18:26.56 | Alver | jhutchins: no, this is the correct one. |
| 18:27.21 | jhutchins | Alver: I would suggest working back to older installers with older kernels and see if one of them works. |
| 18:27.40 | Alver | jhutchins: the installer from stable (8.5) has the exact same behaviour |
| 18:27.59 | jhutchins | Alver: So try wheezy. |
| 18:28.19 | Alver | Hrm... I don't even think the hardware was supported at all back then |
| 18:28.32 | Alver | (Applied Micro X-Gene 1) |
| 18:28.38 | Alver | But I guess I can give it a shot |
| 18:29.39 | optraz | jhutchins: that's archlinux? im using debian |
| 18:29.39 | jhutchins | Alver: I think you need more device specific knowledge rather than distro-specific. |
| 18:29.52 | jhutchins | optraz: Still linux. |
| 18:30.36 | jhutchins | optraz: Arch has different versions of packages and different patches and defaults, but the upstream software is the same, and hardware is hardware. |
| 18:30.37 | Alver | jhutchins: yes, it's rather exotic hardware. It's odd though, since I've found some reports of people running debian on the same board but running a different firmware (tianocore instead of AMI UEFI) |
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| 18:32.07 | Alver | jhutchins: but where would I report this bug - linux-image-4.6.0-1-arm64 or debian-installer? |
| 18:32.10 | optraz | jhutchins: do you have documentation how it work in debian? |
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| 18:32.42 | jhutchins | optraz: Arch is good about documenting. Debian wiki might have something, but there shouldn't be much difference for that, it's x.org |
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| 18:33.12 | teraflops | optraz: are you asking for setting up bumblebee in debian? |
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| 18:34.15 | jhutchins | optraz: There's a link in the factoid from dpkg to the bumblebee page on the debian wiki. |
| 18:34.25 | optraz | teraflops: jhutchins just got a new laptop lenovo y700 today, it has intel vga and nvidia vga.. it is running intel driver now and i would liek debian to use the nvidia vga.. (nouveau) |
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| 18:34.49 | optraz | jhutchins: it talks about bublebee and optimus.. im confused to select which one |
| 18:34.50 | jhutchins | optraz: Why are you not reading those pages? |
| 18:34.59 | teraflops | optraz: you mean you want to switch to the dedicated gpu permanently? |
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| 18:35.27 | teraflops | 1) it's a bad idea 2) use PRIME |
| 18:35.34 | optraz | teraflops: yes, the bios does not allow to specify nvidia vga..in bios, it written only switchable graphics |
| 18:35.39 | teraflops | 2) at your own risk |
| 18:35.49 | Alver | PRIME is rather nice, yes. |
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| 18:36.32 | teraflops | optraz: I cannot see any bennefit on doing what you want |
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| 18:36.59 | teraflops | optraz: mind telling me why? I'm just curious |
| 18:37.02 | optraz | teraflops: just tell me how to switch it |
| 18:37.05 | optraz | playing games here |
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| 18:37.13 | teraflops | use bumblebee |
| 18:37.15 | teraflops | !netx |
| 18:37.25 | teraflops | !next |
| 18:37.25 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 18:39.09 | optraz | i have install bumblee |
| 18:39.11 | optraz | and when i run thi |
| 18:39.13 | optraz | this |
| 18:39.16 | optraz | optirun glxgears -info |
| 18:39.21 | optraz | [ 704.895157] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) Unknown chipset: NV117 |
| 18:39.25 | optraz | [ 704.895195] [ERROR]Aborting because fallback start is disabled. |
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| 18:42.59 | jhutchins | optraz: lspci -nn to determine your actual chipset. Google "bumblebee nv117" |
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| 18:44.04 | teraflops | optraz: are you using debian jessie? are you doing nouveau or nvidia? |
| 18:44.05 | optraz | 01:00.0 3D controller [0302]: NVIDIA Corporation GM107M [GeForce GTX 960M] [10de:139b] (rev a2) |
| 18:44.14 | optraz | debian sid, nouveau |
| 18:44.25 | teraflops | ok go to debian-next then |
| 18:44.40 | towo` | or better, to #nouveau here on the network |
| 18:44.55 | optraz | ok |
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| 18:55.29 | choice | Hello! My server is being attacked from OVH ip addresses. When I block the IP, the attacker switches to another address. What would you guys do in this situation? |
| 18:56.19 | Alver | Wait until he gets bored. |
| 18:56.33 | Alver | What kind of attack? How do you detect it, and how do you block it? |
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| 18:57.36 | jhutchins | choice: What protocol? |
| 18:57.56 | jhutchins | choice: I've used iptable connction throttling, but there are better solutions. |
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| 19:00.35 | choice | http scans for security holes. |
| 19:00.44 | choice | I filled the ovh abuse form now. |
| 19:01.40 | jhutchins | choice: That's part of running a webserver. Do your best to secure it, do rate limiting if you need to. |
| 19:02.02 | choice | Apart from the security holes, the attack is a bit strange: |
| 19:02.17 | choice | It looks like he is scanning all urls of *other* webservers on my server. |
| 19:02.21 | teraflops | choice: they'll get eventually bored. that bad thing is that you can notice a slowdown. rate limit sounds good |
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| 19:02.36 | teraflops | choice: it is just a bot |
| 19:02.46 | choice | For example "GET /team/players-with-funky-names-327" |
| 19:03.08 | choice | When I search for that url I find a host like "footballmemory.com". Which is completely unrelated to my host. |
| 19:03.18 | choice | (I made the names up here as an example). |
| 19:03.20 | teraflops | choice: is not a person. just a bot running a list of scripts |
| 19:03.22 | choice | Wonder why he is doing that. |
| 19:03.24 | jhutchins | choice: Welcome to the interwebs. |
| 19:03.29 | teraflops | yeah |
| 19:03.35 | jhutchins | choice: Could be some robot is crawling an old IP. |
| 19:03.56 | choice | You mean that host had my ip in the past? |
| 19:03.59 | vdevatman_ | lol i've just joined at half of the conversation. What did happen with that server? |
| 19:04.26 | tom99 | is a host not the company hosting the web service and not the customer? |
| 19:05.44 | jhutchins | tom99: Host usually means the same theing as "server". |
| 19:05.50 | jhutchins | tom99: see "hostname". |
| 19:06.09 | tom99 | so what's the company called then? webhost? provider? Master of All He Surveys? |
| 19:06.30 | jhutchins | tom99: hosting provider? |
| 19:06.41 | jhutchins | tom99: ISP. |
| 19:06.48 | tom99 | i'm asking because I can't tell if choice is a hosting provider or a customer with a website |
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| 19:07.11 | choice | tom99: customer with a VPS. |
| 19:07.14 | jhutchins | tom99: Probably not a hosting provider. They don't sweat stuff at that level. |
| 19:07.54 | jhutchins | It's nice if they do, they can do rate limiting at the gateway, but it's unusual. |
| 19:08.16 | tom99 | vps = they give you access to a virtual system. and not a REAL system. ok |
| 19:08.33 | jhutchins | tom99: Is it vmware? |
| 19:08.45 | tom99 | probably, i'm on wikipedia |
| 19:08.56 | tom99 | they say vmware esx |
| 19:09.18 | tom99 | Vmware and Hyper-V are the dominant ones it says here |
| 19:09.19 | jhutchins | tom99: I would expect traffic like that to be normal then. |
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| 19:09.51 | tom99 | choice kept referring to other people's websites being scanned so I was thinking how does he know that if he is just a customer with a website |
| 19:09.54 | jhutchins | tom99: You can help a little bit with robots.txt files, but there's not much you can do to stop random URLs. |
| 19:10.08 | tom99 | ah ok |
| 19:10.13 | choice | Woah, OVH replied with an auto mail that says they will do nothing but forward the info I provided to the user of that IP. That's scary. Why give the bad boy feedback? |
| 19:10.15 | jhutchins | tom99: You'll also see scans for executable files, known malware and backdoors and the like. |
| 19:10.35 | tristero | My USB speakers stopped working after latest kernel upgrade and reboot. They work when plugged into a laptop running the previous kernel, but I'm hesitant to blame the kernel. Anything else I can try? The device shows up in /proc/asound/cards, and seems to be the default pulseaudio sink, but nothing plays. |
| 19:10.47 | tom99 | i guess it's a jungle out there, to quote Randey Newman |
| 19:11.04 | jhutchins | Indeed. |
| 19:11.07 | teraflops | choice: oh you're new? you'll get used to it |
| 19:11.44 | jhutchins | We had a well established webserver - probably close to 20 years with the same provider, and we got constant crawls for URLs from the previous server. |
| 19:12.17 | choice | So the guy now knows that he wasn't blocked automatically but manually. And maybe even my email. What a fuckup. |
| 19:12.46 | choice | And also how many of his IPs I detected as attacking. |
| 19:12.54 | tom99 | jhutchins: i don't know much about web servers. Is that like when a server buys up new IP addresses. or is it just a customer leaving and a new one coming in? |
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| 19:14.06 | TomTomTosch | ip are being constantly reused. so the latter. |
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| 19:14.56 | tom99 | oh ok i think i might have been geting confused |
| 19:15.11 | tom99 | because when you buy hosting you are running the web server yourself ? |
| 19:15.13 | TomTomTosch | there are tons of bots crawling ip ranges too. searching for wordpress installations and phpmyadmin and stuff. |
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| 19:16.08 | TomTomTosch | you buy access to a virtual machine running in a datacenter. |
| 19:16.22 | teraflops | other thing is that you get a blacklisted ip from a vps provider. then you can ask for a new one. |
| 19:16.42 | gvvg | Hi - my system won't boot after a failed wheezy to jessie upgrade - now it is complaining that the version of GLIBC_2.14 is missing - I installed a sh from jessie on a wheezy system - now I can boot with the installer cd can I recover this to have it boot again? |
| 19:17.02 | TomTomTosch | more reasons we need ipv6 ;D |
| 19:17.17 | tom99 | gvvg: that's why i download jessie 8.5 and install fresh every time |
| 19:18.03 | gvvg | tom99: so can I use the jessie 8.5 - is there a way to install over my existing system without losing my postgres database, web app and configs? |
| 19:18.13 | gvvg | I did backup my /etc/ stuff before trying to upgrade |
| 19:19.02 | tom99 | gvvg: oh i'm a casual noob so I never have to backup anything |
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| 19:19.21 | gvvg | tom99: thanks still |
| 19:19.37 | tom99 | Just slash and burn it all! :D |
| 19:19.40 | scanty | hi guys, i am having a problem with apt, can anyone help me out? |
| 19:20.00 | tom99 | to answer your question, the only way I know of is to either backup those files with specific instructions |
| 19:20.10 | gvvg | Does anyone know if I can use the jessie 8.5 install - is there a way to install over my existing system without losing my postgres database, web app and configs? |
| 19:20.13 | tom99 | or else put them all in your home directory and put that separate partition |
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| 19:20.23 | gvvg | really in need of some expertise :) |
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| 19:20.40 | scanty | anyone? |
| 19:21.22 | vdevatman_ | scanty: don't ask if you may ask. Just ask. |
| 19:21.27 | scanty | gotcha. |
| 19:21.36 | scanty | ok, so i did an apt-get update |
| 19:21.45 | scanty | and I get this |
| 19:22.22 | teraflops | ^ |
| 19:23.33 | scanty | 1sec having issues with copy/paste. haha. |
| 19:23.55 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: as long as all its date lives in /var directory you could save it with tar and then overwriting in a clean install |
| 19:24.04 | teraflops | scanty: don't paste directly here. use a pastebin.com service |
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| 19:24.05 | vdevatman_ | s/date/data/ |
| 19:24.16 | scanty | teraflops, of course. |
| 19:24.21 | teraflops | eh. I didn't mean pastwbim |
| 19:24.27 | teraflops | com |
| 19:24.36 | gvvg | vdevatman_: is there anyway to just install the sh to this system? |
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| 19:24.41 | teraflops | frigging phone. sorry |
| 19:25.01 | hassoon | gvvg: sh is already in debian ? |
| 19:25.04 | hassoon | * (?) |
| 19:25.24 | tom99 | does FLOP mean anything or is it just a marketing term? |
| 19:25.33 | gvvg | hassoon: yes but I updated only sh to jessie on a wheezy system and now it won't boot anymore |
| 19:26.05 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: why would you try to update wheezy into jessie instead of wipping whezzy and clean installing jessie? |
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| 19:26.19 | TomTomTosch | tom99: it's a measure of computing speed. sure it means something. |
| 19:26.32 | hassoon | gvvg: i still don't understand |
| 19:26.34 | gvvg | vdevatman_: I was trying to do an apt-get dist-upgrade which failed |
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| 19:26.46 | TomTomTosch | tom99: If FLOPS is what you meant. |
| 19:26.48 | tom99 | ok. sometimes they say marketing terms that don't have precise meaning |
| 19:26.53 | teraflops | tom99: my flops are fine thanks |
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| 19:27.01 | tom99 | like maybe some floating point operations are completely different |
| 19:27.08 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: i'm not a debian guru but... as long as i kno debian isn't rolling release |
| 19:27.10 | gvvg | apt-get was complaining that sh was missing so I downloaded the package and installed it so now I have sh from jessy |
| 19:27.32 | tom99 | gvvg: are there referencies to jessie in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 19:27.46 | gvvg | right now I can't access the system it won't boot |
| 19:28.02 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: chroot into it |
| 19:28.18 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: or just mount it into your actual filesystem to know the answer |
| 19:28.20 | gvvg | vdevatman_: not sure how |
| 19:28.42 | tom99 | vdefvatman: he has a postgre database and webconfig he's afraid to lose |
| 19:29.06 | gvvg | is there a live cd for debian |
| 19:29.20 | tom99 | the main cd is a live cd |
| 19:29.27 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: see with lsblk in which device was your debian installation and once you know do something like mkdir /mnt/debian -p && mount /dev/sdX /mnt/debian |
| 19:29.29 | gvvg | if I can boot into a livecd with network access and then mount the filesystem rw then I can install sh |
| 19:29.29 | tom99 | just press the option for a live environment |
| 19:29.48 | TomTomTosch | tom99: you don't need to answer if you can't help. |
| 19:29.48 | gvvg | what is lsblk? |
| 19:29.57 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: just a command |
| 19:30.06 | teraflops | list block devices thingy |
| 19:30.07 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: it lists all block devices |
| 19:30.09 | tom99 | TomTom: he asked about a live cd, I answered it. |
| 19:30.17 | TomTomTosch | tom99: it was wrong. |
| 19:30.19 | gvvg | I've downloaded the netinst cd which cd has the live cd optoin? |
| 19:30.35 | tom99 | TomTom: The debian install dvd doesn't provide a live environment? I thought it did. |
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| 19:30.50 | teraflops | does lsblk work inside a chroot? |
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| 19:31.37 | gvvg | which cd has the live environment? |
| 19:31.45 | vdevatman_ | teraflops: it works but don't show propperly how systems are mounted |
| 19:32.02 | tom99 | well i have a debian 7.1 dvd in my hand right now. maybe I should pop it into the tray, reboot, and see what happens. :D |
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| 19:32.42 | gvvg | ok found where to download the live environment |
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| 19:35.21 | teraflops | gvvg: well you better save your pg databasese wherever they are |
| 19:35.30 | scanty | http://pastebin.com/HXuDBi9c |
| 19:35.43 | gvvg | teraflops: yes for sure |
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| 19:36.03 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: https://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql#File_locations |
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| 19:36.24 | vdevatman_ | with that information you should be able to backup your installation and overwriting it on a clean installation of debian |
| 19:37.10 | gvvg | I'm going to try and boot into a live environment and then mount my fs - then install the proper sh and see if it boots- does that sound ok? |
| 19:38.24 | vdevatman_ | scanty: obviously you've written a repo which doesn't exist for the mentioned server (http://security.debian.org) in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
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| 19:39.45 | vdevatman_ | scanty: it isn't a failure but just a warning though |
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| 19:41.14 | scanty | so something is wrong in the sources,.list file? |
| 19:42.34 | vdevatman_ | scanty: yes, yo should look for 'main/binary-i386e/Packages' in that file and delete it, since it isn't found where it is supposed to be |
| 19:43.03 | TomTomTosch | scanty: cat /etc/apt/sources.list , please. |
| 19:43.11 | vdevatman_ | ^ +1 |
| 19:43.13 | scanty | 1sec |
| 19:45.06 | scanty | http://pastebin.com/Ve04dU0q |
| 19:45.14 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: see if you could just backup what you need instead of messing around with the entire system. I think there is no need for that xD |
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| 19:47.24 | gvvg | vdevatman_: ok so I'm booted in the livecd - I dont' think I have any networking :( |
| 19:48.19 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: I never used LiveCDs i just chroot if i need to, so , not sure what could happen |
| 19:48.57 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: have you seen this link? https://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql#File_locations i think that is all what you need as long as the only thing you want is to keep you postgresql installation safe |
| 19:49.21 | scanty | what do I need to change in my sources.ist? |
| 19:49.24 | gvvg | yes but how to I copy things off - I need to get networking working |
| 19:49.25 | scanty | or remove rather |
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| 19:50.01 | gvvg | I'm in the live environ and I can't ping anything yet the status at the prompt shows a connection - and an ip address it's really confusing |
| 19:50.25 | TomTomTosch | !tell scanty about jessie sources.list |
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| 19:51.04 | TomTomTosch | scanty: compare to what the bot sent you, remove duplicate entries. if you want main contrib nonfree you still need only three lines. |
| 19:51.05 | vdevatman_ | scanty: do you have the need of 32 bits packages in your system? |
| 19:51.35 | vdevatman_ | !teel vdevatman_ about jessie sources.list |
| 19:51.41 | TomTomTosch | scanty: three plus another three if you need the deb-src lines. |
| 19:51.52 | vdevatman_ | TomTomTosch: send it to me too it sounds funny xD |
| 19:52.04 | TomTomTosch | vdevatman_: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
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| 19:54.44 | vdevatman_ | TomTomTosch: omg, thats so fkin nice XD |
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| 19:57.26 | scanty | I don't think I need the 32-bit packages. |
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| 19:57.53 | TomTomTosch | so you have enabled multiarch in the past. why? |
| 19:57.54 | scanty | i dont' see an entry for i386e |
| 19:58.10 | scanty | I don't know, this is a stock install |
| 19:58.47 | TomTomTosch | there is no separate entry. you enable multiarch in the package manager. |
| 19:59.03 | vdevatman_ | scanty: at some point you wrote something like dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 19:59.17 | scanty | no, I have not |
| 19:59.17 | TomTomTosch | you fixed your sources.list and the error is still there? |
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| 19:59.44 | scanty | TomTomTosch, I have three entries in my source.list |
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| 20:00.24 | TomTomTosch | the one you posted here had 7. |
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| 20:01.27 | scanty | yes then I was told I only need the three that are there |
| 20:02.07 | TomTomTosch | so you did fix it. and the error is still there? |
| 20:02.15 | scanty | correct |
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| 20:03.36 | vdevatman_ | scanty: if you "never wrote dpkg --add-architecture i386" and you actually don't need multiarch support, write "dpkg --remove-architecture i386 && apt-get update" |
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| 20:04.14 | scanty | i'd rather leave that alone |
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| 20:04.51 | scanty | actually. |
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| 20:05.23 | TomTomTosch | then i need the output of tail /etc/apt/sources.list* |
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| 20:05.57 | TomTomTosch | my guess is that you have a line there with a typo. |
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| 20:07.00 | scanty | http://pastebin.com/haibJELi |
| 20:07.41 | TomTomTosch | use paste.debian.net, please. pastebin's spam filter just blocked. |
| 20:07.51 | scanty | oh, sorry |
| 20:07.53 | scanty | hold on |
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| 20:09.01 | vdevatman_ | i guess the typo is in second line "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main " not sure if the slash should actually be a - |
| 20:09.18 | scanty | http://paste.debian.net/782098/ |
| 20:09.26 | TomTomTosch | vdevatman_: that line is fine. |
| 20:09.37 | cra1g321 | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 20:09.52 | TomTomTosch | scanty: the command i gave you. |
| 20:10.18 | scanty | what about it? |
| 20:10.19 | vdevatman_ | TomTomTosch: then i don't think there is a typo xP |
| 20:10.29 | TomTomTosch | vdevatman_: not in that line... |
| 20:10.47 | vdevatman_ | TomTomTosch: that line is the only one with a url matching the one in apt's warning |
| 20:11.08 | TomTomTosch | one might actually think there is some thought behind the command i gave above... |
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| 20:12.05 | TomTomTosch | scanty: i gave you a command. tail /etc/apt/sources.list* i need the output of that, not what you think it might be. |
| 20:12.20 | scanty | that is the output |
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| 20:12.28 | gord0 | lol |
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| 20:13.45 | TomTomTosch | no way. |
| 20:14.14 | vdevatman_ | scanty: pay attention to the asterisk at the end of the command |
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| 20:16.35 | scanty | hrm? |
| 20:17.10 | TomTomTosch | the command >> tail /etc/apt/sources.list* does not have an output like you've shown us. |
| 20:17.35 | TomTomTosch | tail puts marks in when reading a directory. |
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| 20:18.16 | gord0 | scanty: please pay attention |
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| 20:18.53 | scanty | ok, i grabbed 'defualt' list from debian.org |
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| 20:19.08 | scanty | but still same problem |
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| 20:19.33 | scanty | i'm not runnign on all 8 |
| 20:19.39 | scanty | i''ll come back later |
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| 20:20.28 | vdevatman_ | dpkg doesn't know what sources list directory is :( |
| 20:20.28 | dpkg | that's too long, vdevatman_ |
| 20:20.28 | vdevatman_ | xD |
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| 20:23.54 | gvvg | so my database is mysql - I know where the data is but normally to migrate I should use mysqldump since I can't get the system working I only have the files - is there a way to migrate the files to the new server that I am re-installing? |
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| 20:25.11 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: you haven't still tried to chroot into the failed system, right? |
| 20:25.26 | gvvg | I can mount it - not sure about chroot |
| 20:25.37 | gvvg | don't know how |
| 20:26.15 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: mount it only is usable to get the files |
| 20:26.26 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: but if you want a sqldump you will have to chroot |
| 20:26.33 | gvvg | how do I chroot? |
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| 20:29.38 | vdevatman_ | gvvg: if you've already mounted the failed root system into your working system then all its left is to mount /dev /proc and /sys into what you've already mounted ( "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys") after that chroot /target /bin/bash should be enough |
| 20:29.53 | gvvg | yes that is amazing - thank you |
| 20:30.09 | vdevatman_ | now you can connect to your sql database as usually and get the dump |
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| 20:32.25 | Zliba | can i mount an openbsd filesystem? |
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| 20:34.48 | vdevatman_ | Zliba: why don't you try to know if it could be done? You could know very quickly that way. But i doubt OpenBSD is the file system as GNU/Linux isnt a filesystem |
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| 20:35.17 | vdevatman_ | Zliba: chances are you can mount it. |
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| 20:59.30 | blawiz | is there a way to make num-lock always be on/off so "/" works as "/" all the time? |
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| 21:06.25 | blawiz | hmm, also i want the numlock key to not be able to turn it off/on ;P |
| 21:06.36 | blawiz | one cant change shortcuts in feh? |
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| 21:10.40 | tom99 | feh? |
| 21:11.02 | vdevatman_ | tom99: an image viewer as long as i know |
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| 21:12.04 | tom99 | i don't even know what to use to view images on debian |
| 21:12.16 | tom99 | other than gimp or ImageMagick whih you have to install separately |
| 21:12.33 | tom99 | someone should upload a video of themselves to youtube doing common things in linux so i know all that |
| 21:12.46 | memguy | I am curious of all the branches of linux does debian support all of or most general/broad amount of gnu software |
| 21:13.21 | tom99 | first of all is gnu still an organization at this point? |
| 21:13.22 | vdevatman_ | tom99: that video would be seen by 50 persons total xD |
| 21:13.22 | memguy | Is there any say gnu software that cann't run on debian but can run on redhat rpm based distro's or slackware based distro's. |
| 21:13.43 | tom99 | vdevatman: hey it would save me having to read a bunch of stuff on stackexchange for how to do common task |
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| 21:13.45 | vdevatman_ | memguy: i highly doubt it |
| 21:14.02 | memguy | highly doubt what? |
| 21:14.16 | tom99 | how to edit /etc/apt/sources.list, how to download from command line, how to login to ftp, etc |
| 21:14.20 | vdevatman_ | memguy: that there is a software which can run on redhat and not in debian |
| 21:14.26 | tom99 | and the other 1000 things you would typically do |
| 21:14.27 | memguy | if a port exist for one distro then debian would have a port for it |
| 21:15.10 | vdevatman_ | tom99: yeah, you would have to see hundred of hours of videos instead, and not knowing if you need them or not xD |
| 21:15.19 | tom99 | lol |
| 21:15.30 | missmbob | the idea of having a video to show me how to edit a text file would make me would to kill about a million people |
| 21:15.30 | memguy | so knowing all debian packages one would know mostly all gnu software that is main stream in repo's not just one off's that somebody cooked up. though i have found some one off's are really important as well |
| 21:15.33 | jelly | memguy: what do you mean by gnu software, for a start? |
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| 21:15.45 | tom99 | i was thinking i wanted to help make the next vesrion fo debian stretch and that might be a way to get started. :D |
| 21:16.24 | memguy | Ok let me be more general any userland program in a repo for a distro of linux if it exist does it mostly mean debian has it in its repo as well |
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| 21:16.36 | memguy | or a variation similar to it /port of it |
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| 21:17.41 | memguy | Because i can tell you that i have been thru alot if not most of debians software thru the years in some form or another |
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| 21:17.55 | vdevatman_ | memguy: not necessarely and even if it does it doesn't mean debian will have the very last version. But you always can build it on your own and make dpkg to install it |
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| 21:18.00 | memguy | so if its in the repo that one can apt-get chances are i have used it |
| 21:18.01 | jelly | memguy, if someone cared enough to packaged it up and maintain it, yes |
| 21:19.50 | tom99 | i think to help develop Stretch you have to be on one of these 100 debian mailing list |
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| 21:20.23 | memguy | ok ya cool the other thing is to install from source / make it but if there is alot of dependencies the repo is the best way. And in some case the only practical way. Because some times a port is actually just getting the source to build and install correctly when you don't have a dpkg version. Been there it can be ridiculously hard in some cases |
| 21:21.45 | memguy | I have found though that most thing a person can think up which is useful has a dpkg or is in the repo. Anyway even if you cann't get one to go /compile /build from source |
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| 21:24.15 | vdevatman_ | memguy: then which is the question? If it already is then you got it, if it isn't you may make it to be without too much hassle. The distro with the hugest amount of prebuilt packages as long as I know is ubuntu but... that doesn't say much. Every linux distro is still linux so you always can port software from ones to others if you care about the package manager, and if you don't just compile it in a Frankestein messing with yo |
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| 21:25.01 | vdevatman_ | in a Frankestein way* |
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| 21:27.18 | memguy | ya but the version you are under can be a nightmare some times to build from source |
| 21:29.17 | memguy | And some times the versions don't have the package in the repo for that version. So if you take the .deb .rpm .tgzip ,. what ever and try to install it you get issues some times more so when install for source/building. but even the control file for the .deb could have a library dependence that breaks the whole thing because you couldn't apt-get that library from the repo first because it wasn't in there |
| 21:29.18 | jelly | memguy, if you have a specific package and version in mind, you can ask for help. I'm not sure what your goal is. |
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| 21:29.53 | memguy | Thats all i am say when those cases of version issues occur then it still can be a nightmare and its probably time to upgrade |
| 21:30.20 | jelly | otherwise, your lines are a little bit too theoretical for me so I'm going to stop responding |
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| 21:31.38 | Zliba | is it possible to mount a ufs 44bsd filesystem as writable? |
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| 21:32.19 | brieweb | I tried switching the DocumentRoot for apache2 to /home/www/current/htdocs and it won't work |
| 21:32.41 | brieweb | but, if I leave it at /var/www, all is ok |
| 21:32.44 | brieweb | any tips? |
| 21:34.01 | jelly | Zliba, don't bet on it |
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| 21:34.30 | jelly | expect support for modern ufs stuff to be read-only |
| 21:35.06 | brieweb | my DocumentRoot worked before upgrading to Jessie |
| 21:35.15 | brieweb | is there se linux or something? |
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| 21:35.39 | r3m | pourquoi? parce que! parce que quoi? parce que que! parce que que quoi? parce que que que quoi! |
| 21:36.02 | jelly | brieweb, no, but did you read jessie release notes? Apache went from 2.2 to 2.4 and things _changed_ |
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| 21:36.45 | jelly | dpkg, wheezy->jessie |
| 21:36.45 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
| 21:37.48 | piklu | Hi |
| 21:37.55 | piklu | anyone here can help me in a networking thing |
| 21:38.02 | piklu | linux networking? |
| 21:38.16 | jelly | !ask |
| 21:38.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 21:39.20 | brieweb | jelly, I guess so... |
| 21:39.29 | brieweb | found the page with notes |
| 21:39.35 | brieweb | access control |
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| 21:44.06 | teraflops | ಠ_ಠ|
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| 21:54.23 | piklu | My server is connected to internet with eth1 and I have created a bridge on it. If I make virtual machines and use public IP with this bridge than it all works well. However I want to create a local network of virtual machines and let them all connect to internet through the host, also would like to be able to route them through domain names. Please tell me how this can be |
| 21:54.24 | piklu | done. |
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| 21:58.31 | jhutchins | One would think that people who subscribe to the debian-security mailing list would have enough sense not to reply-all to spam and trolls. Apparently not. |
| 21:59.07 | tom99 | well maybe you think that |
| 21:59.09 | tom99 | they apparently do not |
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| 22:00.42 | donoban | Hi, I'm on a fresh Debian install trying to import some VMs, I'm getting this error when I try to boot one: error: internal error: process exited while connecting to monitor: Could not access KVM kernel module: Permission denied |
| 22:00.43 | donoban | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:01.24 | donoban | does anyone know what should I do? |
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| 22:04.34 | rudi_s | donoban: Which program are you using? But the error message says it all, you can't access the kvm kernel module. This could either mean /dev/kvm or maybe loading the kvm module. |
| 22:05.06 | donoban | libvirt / qemu |
| 22:06.15 | teraflops | donoban: try adding your user to kvm group |
| 22:06.43 | donoban | it's already, I think libvirt is running qemu as nobody |
| 22:06.46 | donoban | I'm gonna check it |
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| 22:10.50 | teraflops | /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf has the group |
| 22:11.33 | donoban | ok, let my try |
| 22:11.35 | donoban | me* |
| 22:12.09 | donoban | I changed it to KVM and restarted the libvirtd service, it didn't help |
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| 22:12.30 | teraflops | donoban: changed what |
| 22:12.41 | donoban | the group |
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| 22:12.50 | teraflops | which one was there? |
| 22:13.00 | teraflops | in /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf |
| 22:13.38 | donoban | it was commented |
| 22:13.51 | donoban | #group = "root" |
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| 22:14.46 | donoban | I changed user to root and now works |
| 22:15.03 | donoban | probably it's less secure |
| 22:15.17 | teraflops | are you sure there wasn't any other group commented out? |
| 22:16.01 | teraflops | also we were talking about the group not the user |
| 22:16.02 | donoban | yes, there isn't |
| 22:16.15 | donoban | all the file is commented |
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| 22:16.28 | donoban | but now works, I will investigate it more tomorrow |
| 22:16.51 | rudi_s | donoban: Don't do that, use group = kvm! |
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| 22:17.08 | teraflops | group kvm works for me, and user commented out, running virt-manager with my user |
| 22:17.09 | rudi_s | (User libvirt-qemu should be the default.) |
| 22:17.16 | donoban | Ive tried... |
| 22:17.18 | teraflops | and yeah root is not a good idea |
| 22:17.25 | teraflops | try harder! ;P |
| 22:17.30 | rudi_s | Yeah ;-) |
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| 22:17.38 | rudi_s | Running kvm as root is really a bad idea. |
| 22:17.41 | donoban | crw-------+ 1 root kvm 10, 232 jul 16 21:32 /dev/kvm |
| 22:17.51 | donoban | is this ok? |
| 22:18.02 | rudi_s | donoban: No. Should be crw-rw---- 1 root kvm 10, 232 Jun 29 22:24 /dev/kvm |
| 22:18.10 | teraflops | donoban: ^ |
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| 22:18.18 | donoban | so something it's wrong, it's a fresh install |
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| 22:19.33 | teraflops | donoban: so groups shows kvm for your user? |
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| 22:20.02 | teraflops | `groups` or `id` |
| 22:20.22 | donoban | uhM no |
| 22:20.25 | teraflops | ^ |
| 22:20.33 | donoban | need logout/login |
| 22:20.34 | donoban | now yes |
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| 22:20.51 | donoban | but how I fix /dev/kvm permission? |
| 22:20.58 | teraflops | give a try again |
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| 22:22.10 | teraflops | nah, set the group in /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf and comment out the user=root |
| 22:22.26 | donoban | ok |
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| 22:24.06 | rudi_s | ... |
| 22:24.12 | donoban | failed to initialize KVM: Permission denied |
| 22:24.27 | teraflops | did you restart libvirt service? |
| 22:24.34 | jmcnaught | you don't need to be in the kvm group to use libvirt/kvm on wheezy or jessie |
| 22:24.38 | donoban | yes, if don't it will be running as root |
| 22:25.02 | jmcnaught | donoban: is virtualization disabled in your BIOS? anything from "dmesg | grep -i kvm" ? |
| 22:25.12 | teraflops | jmcnaught: runs as root ^ |
| 22:26.10 | donoban | :~$ dmesg | grep -i kvm |
| 22:26.11 | donoban | [ 9790.614121] kvm: zapping shadow pages for mmio generation wraparound |
| 22:26.11 | donoban | [ 9797.403607] kvm [9335]: vcpu0 disabled perfctr wrmsr: 0xc1 data 0xffff |
| 22:26.19 | donoban | it was running fine with ubuntu and alpinelinux |
| 22:26.48 | donoban | i think the problem is with the /dev/kvm permissions |
| 22:27.01 | jmcnaught | on Debian you install libvirt, add your user to the libvirt group, and then you can control libvirtd with virsh or virt-manager |
| 22:27.13 | jmcnaught | the package handles permissions |
| 22:27.36 | donoban | do you use it? could you check /dev/kvm permissions? |
| 22:28.16 | jmcnaught | donoban: crw-rw----+ 1 root kvm 10, 232 Jul 5 00:12 /dev/kvm |
| 22:28.33 | donoban | mine: crw-------+ 1 root kvm 10, 232 jul 16 21:32 /dev/kvm |
| 22:28.49 | jmcnaught | donoban: are you on jessie? |
| 22:28.52 | donoban | yes |
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| 22:29.11 | donoban | I think it's wrong but I don't think chmod it it's the right solution |
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| 22:30.00 | jmcnaught | donoban: i've never needed to chmod /dev/kvm or edit files in /etc/libvirt to get it working. Are you a member of the libvirt group? What does "systemctl status libvirtd" say? How are you starting the VM? |
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| 22:30.56 | prussian | remember you have to logout, log back in after you add/remove user groups |
| 22:31.00 | donoban | it's active(running), do you want a paste? |
| 22:31.16 | donoban | $ groups |
| 22:31.16 | donoban | donoban cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev scanner libvirt kvm |
| 22:32.05 | jmcnaught | donoban: is this proxmox? |
| 22:32.18 | donoban | no no, debian jessie on baremetal |
| 22:33.31 | jmcnaught | donoban: do you have a paste of the command you use to start the VM, and the error output? Have you looked at "journalctl -u libvirtd -b" ? |
| 22:34.05 | donoban | let me check |
| 22:34.35 | donoban | No journal files were found. |
| 22:35.05 | jmcnaught | donoban: use journalctl as root, or as a member of the adm group (with persistent journals enabled) |
| 22:36.17 | donoban | uhM, there are complains about permission denied to KVM kernel module |
| 22:36.48 | donoban | I need to start some of them, I'm gonna chmod /dev/kvm and tomorrow I will continue investigating |
| 22:36.57 | jmcnaught | donoban: i've seen that happen for people before and virtualization support was disabled in their BIOS |
| 22:37.56 | donoban | :\ that would be very strange |
| 22:38.06 | donoban | but I will check |
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| 22:38.44 | donoban | oh :\ |
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| 22:40.59 | donoban | it also complains about kvm permissions after chmod it |
| 22:41.10 | donoban | Ive swtiched to root again and works |
| 22:41.18 | donoban | I will try to fix it tomorrow, ty for your help guys |
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| 22:42.46 | jmcnaught | it could just be how you're starting the VM. are you using libvirt, or running qemu directly? |
| 22:43.00 | donoban | virsh start VM |
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| 22:47.34 | jmcnaught | do other virsh commands work? |
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| 22:48.25 | donoban | running as root (/etc/...../qemu.conf user= root) all runs fine, but I can't do other thing now, it's too alte |
| 22:48.32 | donoban | late, I will continue tomorrow |
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| 22:49.16 | jmcnaught | donoban: good luck. libvirt on Debian is normally pretty easy |
| 22:50.08 | donoban | hehe, ty I hope it will be running as it should soon |
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| 23:34.08 | factor | I was trying to install libreplan but it borked up .. it wants package tomcat6 but debian is only sowing tomcat7 , How can I unstall it it seems stuck or install tomcat6 |
| 23:34.25 | factor | I have tried aptitute and apt-get remoce and its still stuck. |
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| 23:37.02 | missmbob | factor: apt-get -f or dpkg --purge should do it. next time don't make a frankendebian |
| 23:37.09 | missmbob | !tell factor about frakendebian |
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| 23:40.55 | factor | missmbob, I had tried them also. |
| 23:41.10 | factor | I can no longer install any deb packages. |
| 23:43.35 | factor | I recall a way to put a package on hold and leave it alone. |
| 23:43.49 | factor | Its borked up my system big time |
| 23:43.59 | factor | just want to disable apt looking at it |
| 23:44.10 | missmbob | !tell factor about bat |
| 23:44.16 | themill | there is no way to do that; it's apt's job to do so |
| 23:44.21 | missmbob | and pastebin everything you're doing and output |
| 23:45.09 | factor | that ok I will find a way to hold the package |
| 23:45.29 | missmbob | yeah that'll fix missing tomcat6 |
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