| 00:00.24 | orlock | ahah |
| 00:00.26 | orlock | ssh for win10? |
| 00:00.30 | wewlad | win7 |
| 00:00.44 | x86iac | can you read/do cyrilliac on the computer directly |
| 00:01.00 | wewlad | I guess so |
| 00:01.10 | orlock | yeah, missing fonts i guess |
| 00:01.17 | Fat-Zer | if anybody intrested here is oneliner: "echo 'deb file:/path/to/folder ./' >> /etc/apt/sources.list && cd /path/to/folder && pkg-scanpackages . | gzip -9c > Packages.gz && apt-get update" |
| 00:01.24 | x86iac | this is a computer - no guessing allowed |
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| 00:01.39 | wewlad | orlock: I doubt it is so, because I can type in cyrillic into ssh prompt after I connected |
| 00:01.42 | orlock | x86iac: hello computer, you figure it out then! |
| 00:01.56 | wewlad | another issue is that I can type letters - but I can't delete them |
| 00:02.13 | x86iac | termcap? |
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| 00:02.27 | wewlad | https://i.imgur.com/BWTGAdo.png |
| 00:02.34 | wewlad | what's 'termcap'? |
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| 00:04.01 | s7r | why I can't install virtualbox in jessie with kde desktop? it says unable to locate linux-headers-grs-ipv6-64 |
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| 00:04.17 | x86iac | type echo $TERM after you log in ... and can you do cryptical on the computer at the keyboard |
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| 00:05.43 | wewlad | x86iac: there's no $TERM on windows |
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| 00:06.05 | x86iac | lol this channel is #debian |
| 00:06.10 | wewlad | yup |
| 00:06.23 | wewlad | seems like you miss the point |
| 00:06.40 | wewlad | I'm using debian as client to connect over ssh to the server running under windows |
| 00:06.44 | x86iac | i am? go ask in #windows it isn't a linux problem |
| 00:06.57 | wewlad | echo $TERM will echo just '$TERM' on windows |
| 00:07.19 | wewlad | it is a debian problem that it doesn't show me cyrillic letters :) |
| 00:07.34 | x86iac | no it is what the windows is sending |
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| 00:07.45 | wewlad | okay, windows sends something |
| 00:07.52 | wewlad | I want that something get read properly |
| 00:07.57 | wewlad | can debian do that? |
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| 00:08.13 | miesco | How do I mount my flash install drive where I can write (extract firmware files)? |
| 00:08.17 | x86iac | ask in $openssh |
| 00:08.23 | wewlad | I tried |
| 00:08.26 | wewlad | no one replied |
| 00:08.31 | x86iac | when? |
| 00:08.34 | wewlad | only you did |
| 00:08.42 | x86iac | what did i say? |
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| 00:09.09 | wewlad | x86iac: is it a locale thing? x86iac: what does your locale show |
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| 00:09.44 | orlock | wewlad: maybe theres different native vs unicode cyrillic fonts? |
| 00:09.53 | wewlad | x86iac: and to answer that: https://i.imgur.com/Wqn2i9V.png |
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| 00:10.32 | wewlad | orlock: I suppose windows can't properly into unicode :( |
| 00:11.12 | x86iac | i'm going to guess the en_US.UTF-8 doesn't have cyrilliac chars |
| 00:11.29 | chaddy | unifont? |
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| 00:12.08 | x86iac | can the linux client display cyrilliac? |
| 00:12.36 | miesco | I am getting this: mount: /dev/sdc1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 00:13.08 | wewlad | x86iac: yeah |
| 00:13.26 | RoyK | miesco: check dmesg |
| 00:13.39 | x86iac | ask again in #openssh |
| 00:14.03 | wewlad | after I execute 'chcp 65001' (when connected to a windows shell) - the letters get transformed, but most of them are still unreadable |
| 00:14.06 | miesco | [439455.932191] ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3 |
| 00:14.12 | RoyK | miesco: mostly it meens something is rather messed up with you filesystem(s) |
| 00:14.32 | wewlad | https://i.imgur.com/ojY750h.png - the word 'ÐдминиÑÑÑаÑоÑ' in the prompt is absolutely readable |
| 00:14.34 | miesco | RoyK: Well I just did `cp debian-install.iso /dev/sdc` |
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| 00:14.37 | wewlad | but the rest is not |
| 00:14.58 | RoyK | something wrong with dc, then, perhaps? |
| 00:15.10 | RoyK | /dc/sdc/ |
| 00:15.27 | miesco | RoyK: I don't know. It was a dvd image, is that why? |
| 00:15.41 | x86iac | you kgb? |
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| 00:15.49 | wewlad | a bit |
| 00:15.55 | wewlad | more fsb nowadays |
| 00:15.56 | RoyK | miesco: no, check dmesg |
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| 00:16.17 | x86iac | can you help me get some relatives out of the gulag? |
| 00:16.39 | x86iac | that is definely russian in the prompt- |
| 00:16.54 | wewlad | the part at left is not |
| 00:16.55 | miesco | RoyK: https://gist.github.com/99d77bf7f8a038c78ca133b92794fff5 |
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| 00:18.09 | RoyK | miesco: filesystem remounted readonly mean something is wrong on it |
| 00:18.44 | RoyK | miesco: you can't fix that without really umonting the fs and running an fsck |
| 00:19.24 | miesco | RoyK: `fsck /dev/sdc`? |
| 00:20.03 | Fat-Zer | is there a way to get source package name a package was build from |
| 00:20.05 | RoyK | nighty: pastebin output of 'lsblk' |
| 00:20.09 | Fat-Zer | *on command line |
| 00:20.47 | miesco | RoyK: Me? |
| 00:20.56 | x86iac | wewlad: what is the part on the left suppose to say? |
| 00:21.21 | RoyK | miesco: yes |
| 00:21.21 | wewlad | x86iac: dunno |
| 00:21.59 | wewlad | hold on, I'll try to use putty to connect to 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:22.03 | miesco | RoyK: https://gist.github.com/9fbf7d87297e3baa01806d0b44854b89 |
| 00:22.20 | RoyK | and dmesg -T ? |
| 00:23.17 | RoyK | miesco: better be quick - I'm going to bed |
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| 00:23.58 | wewlad | x86iac: doesn't let me in :( |
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| 00:24.12 | wewlad | says access denied after I write in password |
| 00:24.16 | miesco | RoyK: https://gist.github.com/8e334a82c131af20565389cea6abaa83 |
| 00:24.19 | x86iac | why not? |
| 00:24.38 | x86iac | to many login attempts? ;) |
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| 00:25.23 | miesco | RoyK: It was saying ealier that I need to run fsck on it |
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| 00:27.14 | wewlad | x86iac: I doubt so |
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| 00:27.43 | wewlad | also, if I use KiTTY (putty like client) it says 'KiTTY Fatal Error: expected key exchange group packet from server' |
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| 00:28.08 | orlock | putin's in your box |
| 00:28.11 | orlock | 0wning ur keys |
| 00:28.34 | wewlad | much funny such wow |
| 00:28.48 | orlock | says isis@usa.gov |
| 00:29.03 | wewlad | indeed |
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| 00:33.10 | Somelauw | What is the recommended way of recovering grub after installing Windows 10 when using Debian Jessie? I saw a guide that uses chroot, but I think there might be a better/easier way to do it. |
| 00:33.52 | x86iac | grub-update? |
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| 00:35.01 | Somelauw | from a live cd? |
| 00:35.20 | dvs | Somelauw, this will keep on happening even after the install. |
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| 00:36.08 | Somelauw | this is the guide I found: http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd |
| 00:36.42 | miesco | /bin/cp: error writing â/dev/sdcâ: No space left on device |
| 00:36.43 | dvs | Somelauw, you can use rescue mode from a Debian install cd. |
| 00:37.13 | miesco | I got that from this: /bin/cp Downloads/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdc |
| 00:37.26 | x86iac | use dd |
| 00:37.57 | Somelauw | Advanced options doesn't show a rescue mode. |
| 00:39.30 | x86iac | http://superuser.com/questions/620877/cp-command-to-make-bootable-iso-image-usb |
| 00:39.51 | miesco | x86iac: dd: writing to â/dev/sdcâ: No space left on device |
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| 00:40.26 | x86iac | what does fdisk -l /dev/sdc say and is it umounted? |
| 00:40.36 | x86iac | what is /dev/sdc? usb |
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| 00:41.15 | miesco | x86iac: https://gist.github.com/9044211e8dfcaa4e9998bd10d6ce4000 |
| 00:41.56 | miesco | I am trying to run fsck on it |
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| 00:42.27 | TylerHoffman | Any free VPNs that does nto rquire subscription? |
| 00:42.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | TylerHoffman, Tor |
| 00:42.49 | Gryllida | or i2p |
| 00:44.10 | miesco | x86iac: https://gist.github.com/8de579b807f1d21bc8ea709301fedd4a |
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| 00:44.12 | b6s3d | how do i get bluetoothctl to start on boot? |
| 00:44.30 | x86iac | dd to sdc1 |
| 00:44.54 | x86iac | can you mount /dev/sdc2 |
| 00:45.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | b6s3d, is bluetooth.service enabled? |
| 00:45.22 | miesco | x86iac: That works |
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| 00:46.09 | b6s3d | thanks lol |
| 00:46.41 | b6s3d | i think that might have done it brb |
| 00:47.04 | miesco | x86iac: Okay it copied. Still unreadable but its the nonfree netinstall so I don't need to cp firmware.tar over anyway. |
| 00:47.28 | wewlad | can I somehow force debian to use cp866 for ssh connection? |
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| 00:49.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | wewlad, SSH has no notion of codepages, what exactly do you mean? Setting the encoding for fs operations? |
| 00:50.21 | wald0 | chaddy:yes i have see that on chrome, but there was versions much more recent than the version 37 of chromium |
| 00:50.22 | wewlad | Eduard_Munteanu: server does send some messages, right? |
| 00:50.26 | wald0 | im confused... there's no results of seamonkey in the packages of debian: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=seamonkey |
| 00:50.51 | wewlad | Eduard_Munteanu: those messages are encoded somehow, usually it's utf-8, aka cp65001 |
| 00:51.18 | wewlad | Eduard_Munteanu: and I'd like debian to read those messages not as if they are in 65001 but as if they are in cp866 |
| 00:51.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | wewlad, not anything textual, it just relays back and forth arbitrary data to whatever you're logging into |
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| 00:52.14 | wewlad | Eduard_Munteanu: when you log in to a remote server - you at least get the server's prompt text |
| 00:52.42 | x86iac | wald0: isn't it called iceape? |
| 00:52.44 | wewlad | that prompt text is encoded in cp866, but debian reads it as if it's in cp65001, is there a way to change that? |
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| 00:53.25 | miesco | How do I get irssi src from jessie-backports, modify the code and make it a .deb again? |
| 00:53.33 | miesco | ,v irssi |
| 00:53.34 | judd | Package: irssi on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.15-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.15-5~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.15-5; wheezy-backports: 0.8.17-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.8.17-1; jessie-backports: 0.8.19-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.8.19-2; stretch: 0.8.19-2 |
| 00:54.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | wewlad, the prompt isn't part of the SSH server, it's just the shell. It seems to me the TERM isn't getting through or the server is badly misconfigured. |
| 00:55.28 | wewlad | Eduard_Munteanu: yeah, the shell on the side of the server |
| 00:55.39 | wewlad | Eduard_Munteanu: there's no 'TERM' |
| 00:55.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | miesco, apt-get source -t jessie-backports irssi |
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| 00:57.18 | miesco | Eduard_Munteanu: Should I do this? 'apt-get install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' |
| 00:57.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | wewlad, that's the problem then. Your terminal sets TERM, and it should be getting through to the remote host so that it knows what to talk to it. |
| 00:57.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | miesco, yes |
| 00:58.18 | wewlad | Eduard_Munteanu: I doubt that would help if my server told debian that I am using cmd.exe terminal :) |
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| 00:59.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | wewlad, there goes your problem :) |
| 00:59.24 | wewlad | Eduard_Munteanu: where? |
| 00:59.26 | b6s3d | How do i connect a wireless keyboard on start up? |
| 00:59.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | wewlad, use an actual terminal emulator, not cmd |
| 00:59.57 | b6s3d | i am using only command line interfaces |
| 01:00.09 | wewlad | Eduard_Munteanu: but I am okay with cmd.exe |
| 01:00.12 | wewlad | it works |
| 01:00.53 | wewlad | the problem is that linux client's has no options for codepages |
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| 01:02.47 | Sygram | hi all |
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| 01:03.05 | Sygram | I need some help getting my USB type C to work, any ideas? |
| 01:03.22 | Sygram | my laptop is a dell xps 13 9350 |
| 01:03.45 | Sygram | debian 8.5 kernel 4.4 (already tried upgrading to kernel 4.6 but it still doesn't work) |
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| 01:04.12 | wewlad | usb type C is modern hardware |
| 01:05.02 | Sygram | yeah, I'm aware of that |
| 01:05.04 | wewlad | I'd check back in ~5 years |
| 01:05.09 | Sygram | D: |
| 01:05.27 | Sygram | I was really looking forward to use debian as my main os |
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| 01:05.42 | wewlad | that's okay, just use older hardware for that |
| 01:05.47 | Sygram | but I need to be able to use 2 screens, laptop is too small |
| 01:05.49 | Sygram | how? |
| 01:05.57 | Sygram | like an usb to VGA? |
| 01:06.08 | wewlad | sell your current PC and buy an older one? |
| 01:06.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | wewlad, you might want to try setting TERM to a sane value, but the server might not recognize them anyway |
| 01:06.20 | Sygram | wtf |
| 01:06.33 | Sygram | I'm a student |
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| 01:06.37 | Sygram | can't really afford much |
| 01:06.53 | wewlad | so earn by selling newer pc and getting older pc |
| 01:07.13 | wewlad | (older hardware is cheaper) |
| 01:08.07 | wewlad | Eduard_Munteanu: maybe you've missed an important part where I say that ssh server is under windows os, so setting $TERM won't affect anything, windows doesn't use that envvar |
| 01:08.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | wewlad, wait, the server is Windows, not the client? |
| 01:08.36 | wewlad | yes |
| 01:08.40 | Sygram | so that's your solution :/ |
| 01:08.44 | Sygram | feels bad man |
| 01:08.56 | wewlad | Sygram: or just wait ~5 years |
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| 01:09.02 | Sygram | lol |
| 01:09.15 | wewlad | or install windoze and have your debian in a VM |
| 01:09.18 | wewlad | like I do |
| 01:09.22 | wildbills | Sygram kernel 4.4 should support c. maybe its your chipset driver. can you run this lspci -d ::0c03 -k |
| 01:10.02 | Sygram | wildbills, it says invalid id |
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| 01:11.08 | b6s3d | how do i make my raspberry pi pair with my bluetooth keyboard on start up ? |
| 01:11.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | wewlad, in that case you need to configure/use a terminal that supports the Windows encoding. That's terminal-specific. |
| 01:11.35 | wewlad | Eduard_Munteanu: oh, thanks. |
| 01:11.44 | wewlad | I guess there aren't just any such terminals |
| 01:11.52 | wildbills | Sygram maybe just lspci and look for the usb controller section there |
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| 01:12.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | wewlad, you can do a character conversion with iconv, but I'm not entirely sure it helps. |
| 01:13.14 | Sygram | I just checked against the archilinux lspci |
| 01:13.49 | miesco | I have a ESP partition on my laptop. I am encrypting my computer with LUKS. Do I need to delete this partition or can I keep it untouched? |
| 01:14.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | miesco, don't touch it |
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| 01:16.24 | wewlad | Eduard_Munteanu: maybe it'd solve the issue, but I'm just not going even to try it. I think I'd better try to install another shell onto windows |
| 01:16.51 | wewlad | powershell still spits out non-readable chars |
| 01:17.08 | wewlad | also, unreadable chars is just 1 of 3/4 problems I have |
| 01:17.25 | wewlad | Issue #2 is that I can't erase the typed chars. wtf? |
| 01:17.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | wewlad, ultimately Windows doesn't really have much of a concept of terminals |
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| 01:18.12 | wewlad | Eduard_Munteanu: yeah, just like linux doesn't really have much of a concept about codepages :/ |
| 01:18.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | Actually it does. |
| 01:18.39 | wewlad | just like windows && terminals |
| 01:18.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | No. |
| 01:19.02 | wewlad | ok. |
| 01:19.09 | miesco | Okay I did `debuild -b -uc -us`, then changed stuff, then did `debuild -b -uc -us`, then just `dpkg -i newpackage.deb`. Will this be the same version as the version before I edited it? |
| 01:19.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | You're missing the point, Windows does all screen stuff out of band. |
| 01:19.49 | wewlad | Issue #3 is that sometimes I can't connect to my ssh server anymore, like it's jammed. I have to restart ssh server in order to be able to connect again, but I guess it's more related to #openssh, rather than this channel⦠|
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| 01:20.08 | jasabella | when/why would a package be available in stable but not testing repos/ |
| 01:20.10 | jasabella | ? |
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| 01:21.04 | jasabella | oh nm |
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| 01:22.00 | miesco | I didn't do any patch stuff, just straight up edited it, did debuild, then dpkg -i |
| 01:22.03 | x86iac | there is a great terminal for windows that would allow $TERM |
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| 01:23.10 | x86iac | s/allow/have/ |
| 01:24.30 | x86iac | miesco: the version in a file? version.h ? |
| 01:24.53 | miesco | x86iac: I didn't touch any version.h, I just changed the .c file |
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| 01:25.23 | miesco | I am guessing I just replaced the current version with mine |
| 01:25.33 | sarkis | hey all - i'm so confused... i do an apt-get install git... but it restarts mysql.. how and why?! :( |
| 01:25.34 | x86iac | install it and check the version :) using the apps cli version/help output option |
| 01:25.56 | x86iac | git uses mysql |
| 01:26.12 | sarkis | wut |
| 01:26.19 | miesco | x86iac: "Unpacking irssi (0.8.19-1~bpo8+1) over (0.8.19-1~bpo8+1) ..." |
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| 01:28.35 | x86iac | miesco: looks the same :)_ |
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| 01:30.11 | miesco | whatever |
| 01:30.26 | sarkis | x86iac: git doesn't use mysql |
| 01:30.51 | sarkis | at least apt-cache depends git doesn't list it as a dependency |
| 01:30.54 | miesco | I am reinstall debian on my laptop to make it paranoid secure. Should I overwite swap with 0s? |
| 01:32.22 | miesco | Or do I just zero out my ext4 partition? |
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| 01:34.08 | mutante | miesco: dd the whole disk and create new partiitions anyways during installer |
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| 01:34.34 | mutante | miesco: and let it do encrypted filesystem this time |
| 01:35.01 | miesco | mutante: No, I have a ESP partition |
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| 01:35.41 | miesco | mutante: That means I should not touch that. Correct? |
| 01:36.06 | miesco | I'll just zero out my swap to be safe |
| 01:36.17 | mutante | miesco: ooh.. ok. is there an advantage that makes up for the disadvantage vs oldschool BIOS? |
| 01:37.49 | x86iac | sarkis: you have github? gitlab? trac? installed something you are doing with git uses mysql |
| 01:38.37 | mutante | miesco: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall |
| 01:40.57 | miesco | mutante: I don't know. I just remember spending days learning about EFI and setting it up. I forget everything now as it was a couple years ago. |
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| 01:41.18 | miesco | mutante: Should I encrypt my ESP partition? |
| 01:41.34 | mutante | miesco: i dont know it, probably not |
| 01:41.51 | mutante | miesco: that second link looks like what you'd want if you deleted it |
| 01:42.11 | miesco | mutante: So leave my 'biosgrub' partition and 'ESP' partition and just encrypt the 'crypto' parition and the 'swap' partition? |
| 01:42.54 | mutante | miesco: i would try to just boot into the installer and select guided partitioning with crypto |
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| 01:43.19 | mutante | miesco: and then let that handle that |
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| 01:44.13 | x86iac | miesco: you really don't need to hide your justin beiber pic collection with encryption - your 'interest' is already noted in your internet permanent file |
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| 01:44.36 | miesco | x86iac: ? |
| 01:45.21 | mutante | whatever bieber has to do with that. next |
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| 01:50.36 | bwmaker | Hey everyone, I'm using Debian Testing and it seems that after a dist-upgrade today, typing on my keyboard has some lag and is most noticeable in Gnome Terminal. In Terminal and Guake, typing many keys randomly will cause delay and often a particular key will seem to get stuck and continue like this: llllllllllllllllllll; Until I CTRL+C. Any thoughts? |
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| 01:50.52 | bwmaker | I even booted Debian Jessie from USB and could not reproduce there. |
| 01:51.45 | bwmaker | I switched to TTY2 and there is still some lag, but the keys do not seem to "stick". Even typing here, there is a bit of lag but not nearly as noticeable. It's like typing in a slow SSH session. |
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| 01:54.02 | x86iac | what does top and ps -efw show anything you don't expect to be running that wasn't therre before upgrade? (cron/atd ...) |
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| 01:54.42 | miesco | Basically, all I need to know is how safe it is for EFS and biosgrub partitions to not be encrypted? |
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| 01:57.47 | bwmaker | x86iac: Checking now. Thanks! |
| 01:57.49 | miesco | For LUKS, should my encrypted swap's "Encryption key" be "Passphrase" or "Random Key"? |
| 01:58.32 | miesco | Swap is just memory that should be deleted anyway, so if it created a random key on boot it doesn't matter. right? |
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| 02:00.03 | x86iac | encrypting swap is kinda extreme |
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| 02:00.41 | miesco | x86iac: Not really... it will leak data |
| 02:00.55 | x86iac | lol to who? |
| 02:01.05 | miesco | x86iac: The cyptoanalysis |
| 02:01.28 | x86iac | i'd be more concerned about ssl and your browser and cookies etc |
| 02:01.40 | miesco | x86iac: What do you mean? |
| 02:01.48 | mutante | miesco: i guess random key is fine |
| 02:01.52 | mutante | miesco: " The random password is discarded on shutdown," |
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| 02:01.57 | x86iac | you use skype? or facebook? or google? |
| 02:02.06 | miesco | x86iac: I use facebook sometimes, yes |
| 02:02.13 | miesco | sometimes google also |
| 02:02.22 | orlock | If anybody really cares.. |
| 02:02.26 | orlock | worry about dark parking lots |
| 02:02.28 | x86iac | firefox phones home everytime you load it |
| 02:02.32 | mutante | "something else is bad" doesnt change it |
| 02:02.47 | miesco | x86iac: What does that mean? |
| 02:03.29 | x86iac | you use your computer at coffee shops? |
| 02:03.33 | mutante | it doesnt mean much besides "everything sucks" |
| 02:03.57 | b6s3d | how do i make my raspberry pi pair with my bluetooth keyboard on start up ? (command line/jessie lite) |
| 02:04.09 | x86iac | just do a google on 'equation group' |
| 02:04.19 | mutante | i thought we dont use google |
| 02:04.26 | abrotman | jessie lite? |
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| 02:04.57 | x86iac | i love google and wikipedia |
| 02:05.24 | x86iac | but i don't use javascript or allow cookies |
| 02:06.25 | bwmaker | qx86iac: Nothing looks out of the ordinary in htop. Nothing is taking a terrible amount of resources, save for Chrome. Sometimes gnome-shell pops up toward the top of the list with 4% CPU spike. |
| 02:06.27 | b6s3d | how do i enabled ferm to start up on boot? |
| 02:07.10 | b6s3d | nvm going to bed |
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| 02:14.21 | x86iac | b[no-tab-completion] use rcconf or chkconfig |
| 02:14.50 | x86iac | and ^^ bwmaker |
| 02:15.58 | jmcnaught | x86iac: you use chkconfig and rcconf on Debian? |
| 02:16.01 | miesco | x86iac: I use my computer at coffee shop but I use ssh instead of telnet and I only connect to trusted hosts |
| 02:16.36 | x86iac | yes |
| 02:17.11 | x86iac | miesco: look up at the ceiling and all the cams there recording your keystrokes for later review |
| 02:17.32 | miesco | x86iac: I use public key |
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| 02:18.26 | x86iac | i'm talking about what you type in email and sites - the keyboard is flat and can be seen from above and the keyboard layout is standard |
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| 02:18.50 | miesco | x86iac: I don't care about emails and all that |
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| 02:19.07 | miesco | x86iac: Just my poetry |
| 02:19.08 | jmcnaught | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.50 | x86iac | apt-get install rcconf chkconfig |
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| 02:20.18 | x86iac | jmcnaught: if you do / /join dsfsdf ;) |
| 02:20.41 | x86iac | /join #ubuntu |
| 02:21.02 | jmcnaught | x86iac: on jessie if you're using the default systemd you should use systemctl |
| 02:21.49 | x86iac | it was broken when i started debian so never rechecked it |
| 02:22.08 | bwmaker | x86iac: https://paste.debian.net/782972 |
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| 02:23.09 | bwmaker | x86iac: Nothing really looks out of place, but I'm not sure what I'm looking for. Sorry for the trouble and thanks for your help! :-) |
| 02:23.22 | jmcnaught | x86iac: the traditional Debian update-rc.d is now a wrapper around systemctl, i don't know if chkconfig would be |
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| 02:24.36 | x86iac | bwmaker: np - can you use pastebin.com i cant get to the paste.debian.net -i think we have had dns trouble today |
| 02:24.50 | bwmaker | Sure thing |
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| 02:26.08 | jmcnaught | https://paste.debian.net/ works for me and is preferred here over pastebin.com |
| 02:26.29 | bwmaker | x86iac: http://pastebin.com/qUy46zF0 |
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| 02:28.33 | x86iac | bwmaker: anacron and atd might be your problem with what they run - do you need them? you have a lot of servers running - turn off what you aren't using for sure ... google things if you don't know what they are and take notes :) so if you need things later you know what to turn back on |
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| 02:29.13 | jmcnaught | bwmaker: don't turn of anacron and atd |
| 02:29.36 | jmcnaught | *off |
| 02:30.33 | x86iac | anacron AND cron on the same system? |
| 02:30.37 | jmcnaught | bwmaker: you could ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net where you'll find other testing users that might have had the same problem |
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| 02:31.02 | bwmaker | Oh cool. I was looking for #debian-testing... :-) |
| 02:31.18 | jmcnaught | x86iac: why do you think that anacron would cause gnome terminal to lag? |
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| 02:31.24 | bwmaker | Thanks, jmcnaught and x86iac for your time. |
| 02:31.43 | x86iac | who knows what it is running that is cpu or disk intensive |
| 02:32.00 | bwmaker | I was a little thrown by that too as nothing is really using that much CPU or MEM. |
| 02:32.28 | jmcnaught | it's more than likely a bug |
| 02:32.56 | x86iac | bwmaker: what is the cpu speed of your computer? |
| 02:33.30 | bwmaker | Haswell dual core i7. 1.7ghz, I believe |
| 02:33.36 | x86iac | do a netstat -an and see what all is listening for stuff |
| 02:33.57 | x86iac | lsof | less for all the open files |
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| 02:34.11 | bwmaker | The load average in htop is 0.24. No fans are kicking on either. |
| 02:34.58 | x86iac | what kind of system? server? desktop? pre-empt? etc |
| 02:35.05 | x86iac | ^^ kernel |
| 02:35.16 | jmcnaught | bwmaker: i would look at bugs filed against gnome-terminal, gtk and xorg packages to see if you can find others having the same problem |
| 02:35.43 | x86iac | are you using crupto on your disks? you are running stuff for it |
| 02:36.06 | bwmaker | Thanks, jmcnaught. I'll do that. I really don't think there's a rogue process or greedy daemon anywhere. |
| 02:36.23 | bwmaker | x86iac: Yes, but it's been fine up 'til the past day or so. |
| 02:37.25 | bwmaker | I thought I noticed it before, but especially after the dist-upgrade today. However, after an upgrade, the mind is more prone to taking notice of things that have been there all along. :-) |
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| 02:42.42 | awal1 | Trying to find out how to debug an issue with 'gnome-themes-standard' (adwaita theme) in my sid machine: if I have the word "debiaan" and I put the mouse pointer between the two the last a and n for select the a for remove it I get the n selected not the a: for select the second a I must try to select n, pointing the mouse pointer after n for get the second a selected. It happens only in gtk based apps (thunar, pcmanfm, hexchat, leafpad, mousepad... If I |
| 02:42.42 | awal1 | use a gtk2 theme or another gtk3 theme (mate theme, clearlooks-pehinx-theme...) the problem disappears. Any clue? |
| 02:43.26 | awal1 | bad english, but there we go :P |
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| 02:46.51 | awal1 | Is my question comprensible? :P |
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| 07:08.47 | slu | Hey guys, i want to establish a vpn connection between two of my server but I have some problems with setting up openvpn. Seems like one of my (virtual server) doesn't have a tunnel interface. Syslog tells the following after I created it manually: |
| 07:08.49 | slu | Note: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted (errno=1) |
| 07:09.04 | slu | Does anybody have a idea how to solf this ? :( |
| 07:09.09 | slu | solve |
| 07:09.29 | erm3nda | does your VPS have a TUN/TAP module? |
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| 07:09.37 | erm3nda | if yes, it is you root of the VPS? |
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| 07:09.58 | slu | mh, I'm not sure. How can i check this. And yes, I'm root |
| 07:10.11 | erm3nda | modprobe, but not sure of the name of the module |
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| 07:10.34 | erm3nda | seems is modprobe tun |
| 07:11.05 | slu | modprobe didn't found the module, I already tried this. |
| 07:11.06 | slu | FATAL: Module tun not found. |
| 07:11.17 | erm3nda | so you have no tun modules on your system |
| 07:11.28 | slu | mh - that's bad. |
| 07:11.34 | erm3nda | sure, ask provider for them |
| 07:11.35 | slu | So i have to ask my provider to enable this ? |
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| 07:11.42 | erm3nda | i did on the past |
| 07:11.47 | slu | ok, fine - I'll try my best |
| 07:11.49 | erm3nda | the current ones i use does have it by default |
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| 07:12.16 | slu | why this isn't enabled by default? where's the risk ? ! |
| 07:12.32 | erm3nda | im not sure if it's risk related |
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| 07:13.13 | slu | so if /dev/net/tun isn't enabled, it isn't in the kernel ? Do I assume right ? |
| 07:13.59 | erm3nda | seems that it isn't on the kernel, but, btw the standard linux kernel has it |
| 07:14.04 | erm3nda | so its a bit stronge |
| 07:14.08 | erm3nda | old kernel? |
| 07:14.31 | erm3nda | im not sure if tun is by default on debian |
| 07:14.36 | erm3nda | it is on Centos at least |
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| 07:15.10 | slu | 3.2.41-042stab111.12 |
| 07:15.13 | erm3nda | i've also found Centos vps with no tun tap, but when asked for it the provided accepted to enable |
| 07:15.30 | slu | I have to upgrade to jessie .. |
| 07:15.43 | erm3nda | idk |
| 07:16.11 | erm3nda | my Jessie does have tun modules |
| 07:16.24 | erm3nda | and my 1$/month vps too :V |
| 07:16.31 | erm3nda | so, ask provider |
| 07:16.39 | slu | all right, thanks ! |
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| 07:19.37 | slu | so much cost for doing snmp monitoring :D |
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| 07:57.31 | nikio_ | why is the debian temperature showing a wrong temperature |
| 07:57.35 | nikio_ | it says its 5 degrees |
| 07:57.41 | nikio_ | but its like 25 degrees |
| 07:57.43 | nikio_ | celcius |
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| 07:58.20 | ransur0t | nikio_: sensor? |
| 07:58.41 | ransur0t | which? |
| 07:58.55 | nikio_ | nope im assuming its extracting it from some weather service |
| 07:58.58 | nikio_ | or trying to |
| 07:59.09 | nikio_ | i mean the one at the top of the screen |
| 07:59.15 | nikio_ | weather temperature |
| 07:59.59 | ransur0t | desktop gui weather app -- which desktop, gnome? (gnome-weather) |
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| 08:01.50 | nikio_ | im guessing its gnome |
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| 08:03.10 | ransur0t | yes, most likely gnome. check config for the app/extension -- > https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Weather or https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/613/weather/ |
| 08:03.40 | ransur0t | could be geolocation, or C/F settings |
| 08:03.50 | nikio_ | well |
| 08:03.55 | nikio_ | you can edit those by clicking on the widget |
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| 08:03.59 | nikio_ | and they are set correctly |
| 08:04.11 | ransur0t | hmmm ... |
| 08:04.32 | nikio_ | also the time was incorrect i had to manually set it to two hours earlier than it showed |
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| 08:05.37 | ransur0t | time could be a ntp (network time)sync issue, or if you mobo/system hardware clock isn't set correctly |
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| 08:06.23 | ransur0t | i think you have the option to sync time when you install debian, when it asks about hardware clock |
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| 08:08.34 | ransur0t | and can change it --> see here: https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime |
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| 08:11.06 | nikio_ | hmm i think its because debian uses utc by default |
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| 08:11.33 | ransur0t | nikio_: as for temperature error, it could be the service that the app/widget is pulling data from. for example, yahoo weather could be presenting incorrect data for your location |
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| 08:11.49 | ransur0t | niko: yup, utc by default |
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| 08:12.57 | nikio_ | ok thanks a lot ransur0t |
| 08:13.17 | ransur0t | no prob, glad to help, yw :) |
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| 08:20.03 | fredl | hmm anybody have an idea what this means? |
| 08:20.13 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.13 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.32 | fredl | the 'deprecated' part |
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| 08:27.02 | fredl | sorry about that |
| 08:27.12 | bezaban | fredl: privacy extentions |
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| 08:27.33 | fredl | would you please elaborate bezaban? |
| 08:28.06 | bezaban | fredl: you will get one 'static' dynamically allocated ipv6 with slaac, but it will use 'random' ones for outgoing connections to avoid being able to computing your mac addr |
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| 08:28.36 | fredl | well I am not using slaac right now |
| 08:28.45 | bezaban | fredl: these will with age become deprecated, but still sit on the interface. If I am correctly assessing that this is what is happening |
| 08:29.01 | bezaban | think you'll get it with stateless dhcpv6 too |
| 08:29.04 | fredl | I put a static one in /etc/network/interface for 2001:980:942a:1:21f:d0ff:feae:f833 |
| 08:29.29 | bezaban | ah, well still might be privacy extentions |
| 08:29.32 | fredl | as I'm trying to bind some services to that one at boot time and if I wait for slaac it doesn't exist yet when I boot |
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| 08:30.47 | fredl | I had also added the second one , the f834 one, but that one got deprecated |
| 08:31.15 | bezaban | hm. well there stops my ipv6 knowledge ;) |
| 08:31.28 | fredl | LOL, mine as well :P |
| 08:31.52 | bezaban | just recently got it up native at home, online everything is static and work doesn't have it (yet) |
| 08:32.05 | bezaban | not seeing it on my statically configured host |
| 08:32.05 | fredl | I find it to be a great big mess to be honest, but it feels like discovering tcp/ip some 30 years ago when I was still a student :P |
| 08:32.21 | bezaban | haha yeah |
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| 08:34.02 | Arone | hi |
| 08:34.27 | fredl | what's real weird is in some cases it appears my ipv4 port forwarding stops to work when I add the ipv6 host to the access rules on my router :/ |
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| 08:42.02 | Zliba | alright i've spent a day on this.... how do i recompile and install a kernell? I need to enable a module to make ufs writable |
| 08:47.28 | fredl | Hrmm I don't even understand what I'm looking at with route -A ip6 |
| 08:47.44 | fredl | what strange looking routes we have... |
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| 08:53.58 | ransur0t | Zliba: have you consulted Debian administrator's handbook, or wiki, or something like: https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official |
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| 08:57.47 | dka | I am tryin to concatenate strings in bash. I have 'a=mail-server; b=/backup/assoc', I need to have 'c=$a/$b', this should be easy. BUT, when I try to log $a, i have the correct content, when i log $b before concatenate, I have correct $b, but after concat, I have "//mailserversoc". Is it normal bash behavior to fuck up the strings ? |
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| 08:59.09 | pragomer_1 | need help with cifs: |
| 08:59.22 | pragomer_1 | I have this in my fstab: |
| 08:59.43 | pragomer_1 | /192.168.2.11/winshare_h /media/winshare_h cifs uid=michael,gid=michael,username=guest 0 0 |
| 09:00.06 | pragomer_1 | this worked for connection to my windows 7 pc to drive H: |
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| 09:00.19 | pragomer_1 | after window10 upgrade. with same settings on windows.. does not work. |
| 09:00.29 | pragomer_1 | I get mount error(13): cifs permission denied |
| 09:00.32 | pragomer_1 | any idea? |
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| 09:04.55 | spacebug^ | dka: http://pastebin.com/8C9VZXbV something like that? |
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| 10:05.50 | McD | Hi, i am having the same problem i encountered many times with debian . I am looking for the download URL for old debian-CD images. please send me a notice... |
| 10:06.12 | McD | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.17 | unborn | hi guys, how can I allow one ip to folder or link with iptables on debian jessie? |
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| 10:10.53 | unborn | basically I would like to block access to port 8000 with iptables for everyone except my own ip.. |
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| 10:13.18 | careta | iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT; iptables -A INPUT --dport 8000 -j DROP |
| 10:13.22 | careta | unborn |
| 10:13.36 | gingitsune | I have some trouble figuring out whats taking up all my server space |
| 10:13.59 | gingitsune | df -h reports |
| 10:14.00 | gingitsune | /dev/sda2 37G 35G 0 100% / |
| 10:14.09 | gingitsune | du -hsc / reports that total usage is at 7.1G |
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| 10:14.36 | gingitsune | on the mount poin, so I'm not sure where to look or how? |
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| 10:16.35 | McD | gingitsune: did you try "du -hs ./*" to see the size of the containing folders ? |
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| 10:17.29 | McD | of your pwd (present working directory) |
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| 10:20.48 | jmd | Can anyone explain to me how to use update-alternatives? |
| 10:21.05 | jmd | YEs. I have read the manual! |
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| 10:26.48 | unborn | careta: where I suppose to put my own ip? I mean how srv would know what to allow via 8000 |
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| 10:29.46 | gingitsune | McD: I tried . and * and now your option. I still can't observe what takes up all that space |
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| 10:32.06 | careta | unborn, is this your own machine or a third party server? |
| 10:32.18 | unborn | careta: my own of course |
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| 10:32.39 | McD | gingitsune: maybe try my option with a leading .(dot), like : du -hs ./.* (in case of hidden files) |
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| 10:32.42 | careta | then -o lo says it comes from localhost, so should work fine |
| 10:32.48 | unborn | careta: I know how to block ips completely but I would like to know how to allow only my ip and block anything else |
| 10:33.33 | careta | unborn, but what I mean is this a local machine, or a remote server? |
| 10:33.35 | jmd | unborn: You want to configure your machine, so that only your machine can connect to it? |
| 10:34.08 | jmd | That's easy remove all interfaces except lo |
| 10:34.16 | careta | yup that's what I said |
| 10:34.17 | McD | gingitsune: remember the command only works in current working directory.. |
| 10:34.40 | careta | but it doesn't make any sense I think he means he wants to connect to a server, and only allow his ip |
| 10:34.44 | unborn | careta: its local network in my home, however in my mums its remote.. I would like to get her able to access port 8000 but block anyone else |
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| 10:35.17 | unborn | so basically remote srv we would say |
| 10:35.21 | jmd | Then default deny, and allow just her IP. |
| 10:35.32 | jmd | (assuming its a static IP) |
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| 10:36.05 | unborn | jmd: yeah its static.. im looking for iptables solution.. I know htaccess but its not applicable |
| 10:36.30 | jmd | iptables sounds like the right solution. |
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| 10:36.44 | jmd | However I don't think #debian is the right channel. |
| 10:36.55 | unborn | jmd: if ip match then allow? or how? |
| 10:36.58 | jmd | Try ##linux or ##networking |
| 10:37.11 | unborn | jmd: srv runs debian heh |
| 10:37.23 | unborn | im only using debian - everywhere |
| 10:37.33 | jmd | But this isn't a debian specific question. |
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| 10:41.57 | unborn | okay |
| 10:41.59 | unborn | thanks |
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| 10:47.31 | McD | gingitsune: What's up ? |
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| 10:56.02 | NetworkFreak | is listening to "Send My Love" by Adele |
| 10:56.04 | NetworkFreak | send my love to your new lover |
| 10:56.08 | NetworkFreak | treat her better |
| 10:56.10 | NetworkFreak | we've got to let go of all our ghosts |
| 10:56.14 | NetworkFreak | we both know we ain't kids no more |
| 10:56.17 | NetworkFreak | send my love to your new lover |
| 10:56.21 | NetworkFreak | treat her better |
| 10:56.22 | NetworkFreak | we've got to let go of all our ghosts |
| 10:56.26 | NetworkFreak | we both know we ain't kids no more |
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| 11:05.09 | sondermann | Hello |
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| 11:06.21 | NetworkFreak | This was all you, none of it me |
| 11:06.24 | NetworkFreak | You put your hands on, on my body and told me |
| 11:06.27 | NetworkFreak | You told me you were ready |
| 11:06.32 | NetworkFreak | For the big one, for the big jump |
| 11:06.35 | NetworkFreak | I'd be your last love everlasting you and me |
| 11:06.39 | NetworkFreak | That was what you told me |
| 11:06.45 | NetworkFreak | I'm giving you up |
| 11:06.48 | NetworkFreak | I've forgiven it all |
| 11:06.52 | NetworkFreak | You set me free-ee |
| 11:06.55 | NetworkFreak | Send my love to your new lover |
| 11:06.59 | NetworkFreak | Treat her better |
| 11:07.09 | NetworkFreak | we ve gottalet go of all our ghosts |
| 11:07.31 | NetworkFreak | we both know we ain't kids no more |
| 11:07.44 | NetworkFreak | I was too strong you were trembling |
| 11:07.45 | NetworkFreak | You couldn't handle the hot heat rising |
| 11:07.46 | NetworkFreak | Baby I'm still rising |
| 11:07.46 | NetworkFreak | I was running, you were walking |
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| 11:10.40 | b6s3d | hello |
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| 11:11.48 | b6s3d | i have raspbian jessie lite, and i am looking for a way to get bluetooth to start and pair with my keyboard, also looking for a way to start a service called ferm on boot |
| 11:13.23 | Iridos | ask #raspian for raspian |
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| 11:20.57 | b6s3d | there are fewer people at #raspbian, and might limit the chance of getting a answer |
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| 11:27.20 | babilen | dpkg: based on debian |
| 11:27.21 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 11:37.24 | b6s3d | got it |
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| 11:41.56 | Somelauw | If I restore grub, by simply running sudo 'grub-install' on a live cd, would that not confuse the apt package manager? |
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| 11:44.48 | blind | Somelauw: 'grub-install' installs it to the disk, does not install the grub package. |
| 11:44.55 | ransur0t | Somelauw: probably not, your method would do a clean install of grub to mbr |
| 11:45.00 | saunamees | what are nfs alternatives that are encrypted,non-blocking and work well with nat/firewall ? |
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| 11:45.19 | ransur0t | hence not affecting / partition, or package manager ... |
| 11:45.58 | Somelauw | ok, if grub is not managed by the package manager, i should be fine |
| 11:46.10 | Somelauw | some guides do stuff like first chrooting though |
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| 11:48.32 | Somelauw | it's about repsect |
| 11:49.09 | Somelauw | sorry |
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| 11:50.21 | ransur0t | chroot while logged into system you're working on, right? (not using live cd) |
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| 11:51.49 | McD | is listening to Fraktus "Affe sucht Liebe" |
| 11:52.13 | babilen | McD: Please disable that in here, ta |
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| 11:56.29 | Somelauw | ransur0t, this is what they do http://askubuntu.com/questions/88384/how-can-i-repair-grub-how-to-get-ubuntu-back-after-installing-windows, but personally I think that running grub-install from the livecd should be enough. |
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| 12:01.38 | ransur0t | Somelauw: looks like you could try the boot-repair method (less involved). in unsuccessful, go the full depth and do the top answer (perhaps w/out chroot) |
| 12:01.47 | ransur0t | *If |
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| 12:03.52 | ransur0t | the full depth just a bit more involved, requires mounting file system partitions, gotta get that right for it all to work! |
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| 12:22.57 | Somelauw | ransur0t, thanks |
| 12:23.26 | ransur0t | yw |
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| 12:37.26 | Megamanx1978 | Is there anywhere I can get the amdgpu-pro video driver for debian? |
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| 13:00.56 | ransur0t | Megamanx1978: what card model are you running? search for amd proprietary, see if your card is supported, if not, find best available opensource driver |
| 13:01.55 | Megamanx1978 | I am using a radeon rx 480 |
| 13:03.05 | Megamanx1978 | What driver do you recommend for a radeon rx 480? |
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| 13:03.29 | ransur0t | Megamanx1978: try searching here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
| 13:04.15 | ransur0t | and if not found, here's a how-to: https://linuxconfig.org/getting-the-rx-480-running-with-amdgpu-on-linux |
| 13:04.27 | Iridos | what's the pciid you get for the card when you do lspci -nn ? looks like [xxxx:xxxx] |
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| 13:07.50 | Minnebo | Anyone using pi-hole? |
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| 13:11.05 | Iridos | "Pi-hole was designed for Raspberry Pi, but also works on most Debian-based distros." |
| 13:11.11 | Iridos | Doesn't even say if it works on Debian |
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| 13:11.47 | Minnebo | Iridos, |
| 13:11.56 | Minnebo | I have it installed, and it works no problem |
| 13:12.21 | Minnebo | I was just wondering why my custom blacklist is not working, I wanted to block facebook access with it too :) |
| 13:12.44 | Minnebo | but i'll just block it at firewall level |
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| 13:16.18 | Iridos | Minnebo, I kind of dislike sites that tell me to something like curl -L myurl-with-script-calling-sudo | bash |
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| 13:17.11 | Minnebo | Iridos, Pi-Hole is really awesome :) |
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| 13:17.44 | Iridos | it also diverts all your dns trough its server |
| 13:17.57 | Minnebo | it uses google as DNS.. |
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| 13:18.07 | Iridos | oh, that's SO much better |
| 13:18.15 | Minnebo | well you can actually choose your DNS |
| 13:18.26 | Minnebo | I have nothing to hide for google |
| 13:18.36 | Minnebo | or anyone else, I behave on the internet :) |
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| 13:20.30 | Iridos | well... I've nothing to hide from google either... not because I didn't want to, but because I cannot |
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| 13:21.38 | teraflops | everytime I read I have nothing to hide⦠I'm not a terrorist⦠etc etc I get uberpissed |
| 13:22.47 | Megamanx1978 | All that looks too complex for me I guess I will just use the open rx480 drivers for now |
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| 13:24.10 | Megamanx1978 | Also I am having issues getting the Singularity second life viewer working |
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| 13:25.17 | hassoon | daniel-s: ask here, nab |
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| 13:26.37 | [1]wasted | Guys do you know if Debian as equivalent to /etc/sysconfig on red hat? |
| 13:27.56 | Megamanx1978 | When I try to open singularity.sh it just says "can't open singularity.sh" in the terminal |
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| 13:38.37 | ChrisH | [1]wasted: there is no real equivalent, as RH forced most stuff into /etc/sysconfig (and started to get stuff out again with 7) |
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| 13:39.26 | ChrisH | Megamanx1978: check the file if there are ^M inside, mainly on the fiurst line #!/so/me/shell |
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| 13:41.17 | jhutchins | Megamanx1978: Exactly how are you trying to "open" it? What is the actual text of the error? |
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| 13:43.45 | [1]wasted | ChrisH, thanks. I found something "similar" on /etc/default |
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| 13:44.53 | [1]wasted | I am trying to add this configuration on the ntpdate sercice... SYNC_HWCLOCK=yes |
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| 13:45.22 | jhutchins | [1]wasted: That would be in a systemd config file. |
| 13:45.42 | [1]wasted | hmm interesting |
| 13:45.47 | [1]wasted | Let me try that |
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| 13:46.11 | x-fak | hi |
| 13:46.31 | x-fak | https://bpaste.net/show/ffd514d026cc <-why sometimes updates needs to reboot and ask for it? |
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| 13:47.49 | mcsalty | Hi, I have a strange problem. I use Linux most of the time, but I have to make backups of Windows stations. I have a Windows 7 installed on an samsung EVO ssd which I want to backup, but it seems to backup an older version of the files. Even worse: when I make a file on the desktop in windows, and I want to see it via the CLI in linux (eg. debian o |
| 13:47.49 | mcsalty | r clonezilla), the file is not there. Could it be that there is some kind of incremental storage going on on the SSD, or am I overseeing something? Thanks |
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| 13:48.09 | [1]wasted | cd .. |
| 13:48.12 | [1]wasted | oops |
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| 13:51.31 | ayansh | hi |
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| 13:52.52 | Megamanx1978 | The error is sh: 0: Can't open singularity.sh |
| 13:53.30 | ayansh | i just installed debian on lenovo ideacentre 300s desktop, can see bluetooth working however wifi is not working. |
| 13:53.43 | ayansh | Bus 001 Device 005: ID 8087:0a2a Intel Corp. |
| 13:53.52 | Megamanx1978 | I open with sh singularity.hs |
| 13:53.57 | Megamanx1978 | I open with sh singularity.sh |
| 13:54.20 | ayansh | followed steps on https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Lenovo/ideapad%20300%20%28jessie%29 |
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| 13:55.46 | ayansh | https://paste.fedoraproject.org/392506/46893651/ # output of lsusb -v | grep -E '\<(Bus|iProduct|bDeviceClass|bDeviceProtocol)' 2>/dev/null |
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| 13:58.36 | Iridos | ayansh, have you installed the firmware for that? |
| 13:59.08 | ChrisH | x-fak: Thats Ubuntu not Debian. |
| 14:00.45 | ayansh | Iridos: yes, and just in dmesg i have 314.688846] Intel(R) Wireless WiFi driver for Linux, in-tree: |
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| 14:02.16 | Iridos | so what is the bit where it's "not working"? |
| 14:02.51 | x-fak | ChrisH oh yes, sorry i mixed them |
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| 14:03.33 | ayansh | Iridos: just got the module loaded. looking for iwconfig or similar command to configure wifi |
| 14:03.37 | Iridos | can root do ... what's it ... iwlist |
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| 14:04.50 | ayansh | Iridos: iwlist is from which package? i do have iw command, did a apt-cache search iwlist , no output. |
| 14:05.44 | Iridos | I'm on a desktop... ah, but I got it right. iwlist is in wireless-tools |
| 14:06.00 | Iridos | and it's probably iwlist scan (and it's in /sbin , so only root has it in $PATH) |
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| 14:07.39 | ayansh | Iridos: wireless-tools worked, however iwconfig results in no wireless exten. |
| 14:08.18 | jelly | ayansh, does the system have a usb-connected wifi or a pci-connected wifi? |
| 14:08.25 | ayansh | cfg80211 405538 1 iwlwifi # |
| 14:08.43 | ayansh | jelly: it looks like usb connected. |
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| 14:08.55 | jelly | ayansh, show your lspci -nn, please |
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| 14:09.55 | ayansh | jelly: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/392514/46893737/ lspci -nn |
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| 14:10.39 | jelly | judd, pciid 8086:3166 |
| 14:10.41 | judd | [8086:3166] is 'Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165 Plus Bluetooth' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3166 |
| 14:10.50 | jelly | that's your wifi, last line of lspci |
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| 14:12.12 | jelly | ayansh, do you have firmware-iwlwifi installed? |
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| 14:12.54 | ayansh | jelly: yes firmware-iwlwifi is installed. |
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| 14:13.55 | ayansh | should i reboot once? it's a fresh desktop installation, lenovo ideacentre 300. |
| 14:14.25 | jelly | ayansh: alright, which kernel are you running? |
| 14:14.48 | ayansh | jelly?: 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 14:14.59 | jelly | that page says "at least 4.1" |
| 14:15.20 | jelly | ayansh: if you've just installed firmware, then yes reboot. |
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| 14:15.34 | ayansh | jelly: ok, rebooting now. |
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| 14:16.21 | jelly | iwlwifi driver is a bit weird in that it loads even with firmware absent, then it's loaded but the wifi devices are basically inactive. This is worked around by unloading the driver manually and loading it again, or by rebooting |
| 14:16.29 | jelly | eh. |
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| 14:17.25 | Iridos | OR I can jump through a burning hoop? |
| 14:17.28 | Iridos | :-/ |
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| 14:47.24 | ayansh | juicy: no luck, wifi still not working post reboot. |
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| 14:48.10 | ayansh | iwconfig gives only eth0 and lo with no wireless extensions |
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| 14:50.36 | jelly | ayansh: good. That probably means the wiki page is correct about the minimum kernel version. |
| 14:50.51 | jelly | !jessie-backports |
| 14:50.51 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 14:50.53 | jelly | !bdo kernel |
| 14:50.53 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
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| 14:52.08 | miesco | Hi. I thought I disabled root ssh login, but in /var/log/auth.log, I get "sshd[32332]: Failed password for root from 113.122.34.0 port 58189 ssh2" |
| 14:52.13 | jelly | ayansh, ^^ grab a newer kernel from there. Append " contrib non-free" to that sources.list line for jessie-backports as well, to get matching wireless firmware from there as well. |
| 14:52.34 | jelly | miesco, it doesn't stop people from trying |
| 14:53.01 | miesco | jelly: Okay, so even if root login is disabled, it still lets people try and it logs it? |
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| 14:53.41 | jelly | miesco, I don't remember about the logging, but you can't stop bots from using "root" as username |
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| 14:56.13 | miesco | jelly: I have this in sshd_config: 'PermitRootLogin no'. Does this mean root login is disabled? |
| 14:57.41 | donoban | yes miesco |
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| 14:58.11 | donoban | and it's fine |
| 14:58.15 | jelly | miesco, if you restarted the ssh service or rebooted the system with that in place, and if there are no other instances of PermitRootLogin, then yes. |
| 14:59.04 | miesco | If I set challenge and response to no, and passwordauthenticate to no, in sshd_config, what does "UsePAM yes" do? |
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| 15:12.38 | gr8 | I have a problem that sometimes, applications block the audio device. For example, if I have VLC open, I will not get notification sounds from Pidgin until I close VLC. Or when there is a video in Chromium, and then open VLC, I get the message, device or resource busy. Any ideas? |
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| 15:15.45 | teraflops | gr8: you do alsa or pulseaudio? |
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| 15:17.47 | gr8 | the default. Pulseaudio is running though |
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| 15:18.24 | teraflops | the default is pulseaudio afaik |
| 15:18.29 | gr8 | ok then pulse |
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| 15:19.04 | teraflops | if you do pulseaudio what you say it is happening has there no sense |
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| 15:19.55 | teraflops | unless it's vlc related (idk) |
| 15:20.50 | teraflops | â¦there has no sense^ I meant |
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| 15:21.40 | gr8 | interesting, vlc was configured to use ALSA. Set it to pulseaudio and problem seems to be solved =) |
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| 15:22.44 | gr8 | interesting that alsa mixer still works though |
| 15:23.01 | gr8 | this is really weird |
| 15:23.20 | teraflops | well, it was vlc related, glad you solved it |
| 15:23.33 | mdc | Howdy folks, got a bit of a weird one... Using Raspbian on a Pi3, with a TP Link WN722N, and the only access points I'm picking up in monitor mode are those on channel 1, but in airodump-ng it seems to be cycling through channels normally... any ideas? |
| 15:25.13 | teraflops | gr8: alsamixer still works, and you can set applications to use alsa, like mpd vlc etc. pulse just runs at top of alsa |
| 15:26.49 | gr8 | teraflops: which does Chromium use? |
| 15:27.03 | teraflops | pulseaudio |
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| 15:27.19 | teraflops | gr8: you can see it if you open pavucontrol |
| 15:27.55 | gr8 | pulse, apparently |
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| 15:28.14 | gr8 | makes more sense now. VLC was wrongly configured |
| 15:28.43 | teraflops | sometimes you may want to tell e.g mpd to use alsa if youre playing music and your DM blocks the screen (GDM) so pulseaudio stops working |
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| 15:34.43 | TheSpiderPig | also mattermost doesnt have ldap.... |
| 15:34.48 | TheSpiderPig | Q_Q; |
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| 15:34.55 | TheSpiderPig | I'm looking for free not freemium |
| 15:35.13 | TheSpiderPig | should only pay for services that cost them time |
| 15:35.22 | TheSpiderPig | not shit like ldap |
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| 15:35.51 | TheSpiderPig | whoops |
| 15:35.54 | TheSpiderPig | wrong channel |
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| 15:37.25 | asdf_ | hi, I'm quite new to systemd (and it's surprisingly nice!) - any idea how can I make it run a script when docked/undocked? |
| 15:37.32 | asdf_ | or at least on lid open/close? |
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| 15:39.30 | michaelcullen | asdf_, apparently there's something called laptop-mode-tools which provides that sort of functionality, although it's not systemd |
| 15:39.55 | michaelcullen | http://superuser.com/questions/555667/how-to-detect-and-run-custom-scripts-on-docking-un-docking-of-thinkpad |
| 15:40.05 | asdf_ | thanks guys! |
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| 15:40.22 | michaelcullen | Looks like it uses udev rules to provide a whole bunch of triggers |
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| 15:40.44 | ayansh | juicy: wifi is resolved, however X server is gone. |
| 15:41.09 | ayansh | EE) no screens found(EE) |
| 15:41.16 | teraflops | asdf_: udev I suppose |
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| 15:42.03 | darsie | I tried to ssb libgcrypt11 but aptitude build-dep libgcrypt11 says Unable to find the source package for "libgcrypt11". |
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| 15:42.33 | ayansh | Xserver log => https://paste.fedoraproject.org/392550/94292914/ |
| 15:43.07 | ayansh | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 1912 (rev 06) |
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| 15:44.43 | teraflops | ayansh: how do you start xorg? |
| 15:45.06 | teraflops | startx? DM? |
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| 15:45.26 | ayansh | teraflops: not manually, it starts automatically (it was before installing bpo). |
| 15:45.40 | ayansh | gdm |
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| 15:46.05 | teraflops | ayansh: installing which bpo? I see there the kernel, anything more? |
| 15:46.36 | ayansh | 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 (uname -r) |
| 15:46.43 | teraflops | so just the kernel? |
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| 15:47.09 | boreeas_ | I'm trying to pass env vars over ssh (ssh target TEST=hello ...) - If the remote command is 'env', TEST shows up, but if the remote command is 'echo $TEST', nothing is printed |
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| 15:47.14 | boreeas_ | can someone explain that to me? |
| 15:47.24 | wfq | hi all |
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| 15:48.04 | wfq | what would be the reason for my cronjob being killed. I has been working very well until all of a sudden it stopped working. Then I when to look at the causes and I get "Killed" in my /var/mail/user |
| 15:48.07 | wfq | any idea? |
| 15:48.27 | ayansh | yes, and also did apt-get -y upgrade |
| 15:48.47 | teraflops | ayansh: also did you have a DE or WM installed before and it used to work via GDM? |
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| 15:49.53 | ayansh | teraflops:yes it used to work fine. |
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| 15:50.53 | teraflops | is that an optimus laptop or sis you changed the GPU? |
| 15:51.02 | teraflops | did you change* |
| 15:51.29 | ayansh | teraflops:its a brandnew lenevo desktop, i had freedos installed, |
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| 15:51.41 | ayansh | https://paste.fedoraproject.org/392552/94344414/ #status of gdm service. |
| 15:52.02 | teraflops | im not asking that :P |
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| 15:52.36 | ayansh | :p yeah sorry |
| 15:53.19 | ayansh | teraflops:its stock. |
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| 15:54.48 | teraflops | so it's an optimus laptop, do you have a xorg.cof in /etc/X11 ? if yes delete it or move it elsewhere, also if you installed a new kernel but you didnt reboot, reboot the machine |
| 15:55.17 | ayansh | yes, i can move xorg.conf and already rebooted twice. |
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| 15:55.42 | teraflops | do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
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| 15:57.13 | ayansh | teraflops:no its not. |
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| 15:58.28 | ayansh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.34 | wfq | strange a cronjob is killed by Debian but tehre is plenty of memory available. I have no clue or whatsoever about what is going on here |
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| 16:00.19 | teraflops | ayansh: look like it's using fbdevhw driver :S |
| 16:00.29 | wfq | shit it is my Mysql server |
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| 16:00.42 | miesco | Is it worth it to have an ftp server if ssh has sftp? |
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| 16:01.34 | teraflops | ayansh: give try xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports too |
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| 16:02.39 | teraflops | ayansh: is /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d empty? |
| 16:02.46 | teraflops | give a try* |
| 16:03.15 | ayansh | teraflops: just rebooted after reinstallation of xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 16:03.43 | teraflops | ayansh: you havent xserver-xorg-video-intel installed |
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| 16:03.54 | teraflops | I was asking |
| 16:04.16 | ayansh | xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed. |
| 16:05.15 | teraflops | it's not picking the driver, it's useing fbdriver or that's what I infer from your log, that's why I suggested you to install xserver-xorg-video-intel from bpo too |
| 16:05.39 | ayansh | teraflops: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ is not empty |
| 16:05.46 | teraflops | what's tere? |
| 16:05.49 | teraflops | there* |
| 16:06.55 | ayansh | 50-vmmouse.conf, 50-wacom.conf, 50-synaptics.conf, 10-quirks.conf, 10-evdev.conf |
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| 16:07.28 | teraflops | nah that's fine |
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| 16:09.36 | ayansh | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
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| 16:10.50 | ayansh | any other clue? |
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| 16:11.49 | teraflops | ayansh: I already told you , youre using fb driver (shitty one) |
| 16:12.15 | teraflops | 8:05:15 teraflops ⸠it's not picking the driver, it's useing fbdriver or that's what I infer from your log, that's why I suggested you to install xserver-xorg-video-intel from bpo too |
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| 16:13.49 | teraflops | or if your intel gpu is newer enough give a try to modesetting |
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| 16:29.09 | DammitJim | what software should I use to only send email to certain domains or email addresses? |
| 16:29.34 | DammitJim | I was using exim, but I'm having a hard time introducing recipient email addresses (I had domains working) |
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| 16:36.47 | fredl | so.... when I see inet6 addr: 2001:980:942a:1:21f:d0ff:feae:f833/64 Scope:Global, how many ip6 addresses are this? |
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| 16:37.07 | darsie | 2^64, IMHO. |
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| 16:37.28 | darsie | hmm |
| 16:37.56 | darsie | 10.0.0.0/24 is 256 adresses. |
| 16:38.43 | darsie | So I guess 128-64=64 ... 2^64 addresses. |
| 16:39.04 | fredl | I don't get this, this seems to be the default I get through slaac on my interface |
| 16:39.05 | teraflops | fredl: one |
| 16:39.13 | fredl | but why /64? |
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| 16:39.23 | fredl | teraflops can you explain? |
| 16:39.23 | SynrGy | -> ##networking |
| 16:39.25 | teraflops | tha's the /block |
| 16:39.35 | teraflops | that's* |
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| 16:40.21 | teraflops | consider it *like* the netmask |
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| 16:41.51 | fredl | So a /48 is larger than a /64 correct? BTW yes SynrGy this is about debian, don't worry. |
| 16:41.58 | teraflops | right |
| 16:42.26 | fredl | I'm struggling with the proper notation for ip6 in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:42.52 | SynrGy | i see. it sounded like just interest in trivia. |
| 16:43.02 | SynrGy | maybe i missed some context though |
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| 16:43.10 | SynrGy | and in any case, don't cross-post across networks |
| 16:43.21 | fredl | nope, been struggling with it for days now |
| 16:43.24 | SynrGy | k |
| 16:43.44 | fredl | and yes, it's partially caused through having to learn more about ip6 |
| 16:43.52 | teraflops | fredl: so mind explaining the issue? |
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| 16:44.32 | fredl | teraflops, well I figured out to add a static ip6 address to my bridge, I need a 'iface br0 inet6 static' |
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| 16:44.43 | miesco | If I have a ESP partition, do I need a /boot partition? |
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| 16:45.07 | fredl | that works, and I get the proper ip4 and ip6 addresses on my br0 interface |
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| 16:45.23 | teraflops | miesco: not really, it can be a dir inside / |
| 16:45.33 | fredl | What doesn't work however is the routing and I'm a bit at a loss there how to add a default ip6 gateway |
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| 16:45.53 | fredl | teraflops, my ip6 address is 2001:980:942a:1:21f:d0ff:feae:f833/64 |
| 16:45.54 | teraflops | fredl: do you have ipv6? |
| 16:45.59 | fredl | teraflops, yes |
| 16:46.00 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:46.22 | teraflops | fredl: and youre doing stateless or statefull? |
| 16:46.28 | fredl | Sicelo, tried that ip -6 route add default via fd00::c225:6ff:feb0:a296 |
| 16:46.31 | miesco | teraflops: Like is it okay if I just have a ESP partition, my root partition, and swap partition? |
| 16:46.50 | fredl | teraflops, I'm afraid I don't know what's the difference. |
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| 16:47.00 | Dagger | fredl: /64 is just the standard network size in v6 |
| 16:47.13 | fredl | the fd00::c225:6ff:feb0:a296 I found on my router |
| 16:47.16 | teraflops | miesco: just mount your ESP inside /boot/whatever no matter if /boot is a dir or a partition |
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| 16:47.36 | fredl | when I do that route add default I get |
| 16:47.39 | fredl | root@omega:~# ip -6 route add default via fd00::c225:6ff:feb0:a296 |
| 16:47.39 | fredl | RTNETLINK answers: No route to host |
| 16:48.02 | teraflops | fredl: your computer picks an ipv6 address from your router? |
| 16:48.17 | miesco | teraflops: Okay. So even though debian gives me a big red box warning, I am good? |
| 16:48.25 | fredl | teraflops, nope, I have an 'iface br0 inet6 static' |
| 16:48.35 | Dagger | fredl: does `rdisc6 br0` return anything? (it's in the ndisc6 package) |
| 16:48.42 | teraflops | miesco: idk, what are you doing? |
| 16:48.58 | miesco | teraflops: "You have selected the root file system to be stored on an encrypted partition. This feature rquires a separate /boot parition on which the kernel and initrd can be stored." |
| 16:49.16 | teraflops | miesco: ah you started asking by the end :S |
| 16:49.27 | teraflops | miesco: no idea sorry |
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| 16:49.50 | fredl | Dagger - http://paste.debian.net/783212/ |
| 16:50.35 | fredl | Dagger - should I add 2001:980:942a:1::/64 as default gateway instead? |
| 16:50.49 | Dagger | fredl: so, you should just be picking up an address and gateway from SLAAC already |
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| 16:51.16 | fredl | Dagger, I configured an 'iface br0 inet6 static' in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:51.51 | fredl | SLAAC doesn't get configured immediately I noticed and when I try to bind services to it at boot time it fails |
| 16:52.09 | fredl | *ugh* dinnertime here, gotta skip for a bit |
| 16:52.16 | fredl | sorry about that :) |
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| 16:52.36 | Dagger | oh, right, I remember you saying that |
| 16:52.42 | Dagger | well, the router IP is fe80::c225:6ff:feb0:a296 |
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| 16:53.27 | Dagger | but you should be able to bind to the IP you configured without having a default route yet, and the route should get set up pretty quickly |
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| 16:55.32 | miesco | Oh no. I set up my root as encrypted but now I need 100MB for a /boot partition... |
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| 16:58.16 | Dagger | grub supports encrypted disks, you may just be able to use / for it (but don't ask me how to do it) |
| 16:58.27 | Dagger | or stick a USB drive in. but that's a bit terrible |
| 16:59.13 | teraflops | I guess the installer has its limitations |
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| 17:00.29 | miesco | Dagger: So I can get grub to read /boot without creating a new /boot partition? |
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| 17:01.38 | Dagger | well, you don't *need* a separate /boot partition for grub, and I've done en encrypted /boot partition before |
| 17:01.46 | Dagger | putting those together suggests it should be possible |
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| 17:04.52 | miesco | Dagger: Okay. In the installer, I can't find a /etc/default/grub. This is because... I haven't installed my os yet? |
| 17:05.29 | miesco | Dagger: Do I continue with install with an encrypted /boot? ... Maybe I should put the boot on my usb drive? |
| 17:05.38 | miesco | Or I guess I could use a livecd? |
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| 17:05.54 | miesco | a livecd can mount an encrypted filesystem, right? |
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| 17:06.15 | miesco | If I continue, I will have no way of booting on its own. |
| 17:06.26 | Dagger | oh... are you still in the installer? why not just delete the encrypted partition and recreate it then? |
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| 17:07.05 | miesco | Dagger: It wont let me modify an encrypted volume |
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| 17:07.26 | teraflops | fredl: since you do slaac why not just iface br0 inet auto & bridge_ports ethx⦠in /e/n/i ? |
| 17:07.31 | hoi | hi, when I dock my laptop the dock.0 emits event (seen with udevadm) with "EVENT=dock" - how can I match this with a rule? when I try EVENT=="dock" it fails |
| 17:07.38 | Dagger | delete and recreate it? |
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| 17:07.54 | hoi | SUBSYSTEM=="platform", ACTION=="change", EVENT=="dock", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/dock.sh docked" <--- fails |
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| 17:08.11 | hoi | it works without event, but I can't detect docking/undocking just change |
| 17:08.18 | Dagger | you *might* have to restart the whole installer. I've managed to get the partition editor sufficiently confused to need to do that before |
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| 17:08.58 | miesco | Dagger: Like I think it already wrote the partitions |
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| 17:09.10 | teraflops | miesco: if you already are in the installer, why dont you just do it correctly? |
| 17:09.31 | miesco | teraflops: It wont let me delete the partition |
| 17:10.19 | teraflops | why? |
| 17:10.54 | Dagger | miesco: try restarting the installer |
| 17:11.25 | miesco | be back in 20 min |
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| 17:15.52 | ayansh | Xserver run's fine when i am booting into non bpo (old kernel) |
| 17:16.57 | ayansh | how do i get the X server to work with 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
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| 17:17.52 | mtn | ayansh: is there a video driver in backports, too? |
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| 17:20.02 | ayansh | mtn: yes, https://paste.fedoraproject.org/392596/68948788/ |
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| 17:20.33 | ayansh | i did a apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade into bpo. |
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| 17:21.05 | mtn | ayansh: things from bpo are only installed manually, so install the video driver you need from backports |
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| 17:22.08 | teraflops | ayansh: like I told you 3 hours ago, or do not use any xorg video intel at all if your gpu is relatively new |
| 17:22.20 | teraflops | aka modesetting |
| 17:23.12 | teraflops | also I dont get the apt-get -y upgrade into bpo meaning |
| 17:23.36 | mtn | not what he thinks it means, I bet :P |
| 17:23.40 | teraflops | yeah |
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| 17:31.34 | ayansh | mtn/teraflops: its working now. |
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| 17:31.50 | mtn | ayansh: did you install the bpo driver? |
| 17:32.17 | ayansh | juicy/teraflops/mtn #debian, thanks for the support!, yes mtn i manually installed a driver from bpo site. |
| 17:32.27 | mtn | ayansh: ok, good. yw |
| 17:32.28 | ayansh | => https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/amd64/xserver-xorg-video-intel/download |
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| 17:52.03 | haole | anyone knows why there isn't a package for chef-server? licensing issues? couldn't find anything so far about this |
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| 17:53.52 | w3gi | hallo, i have a problem with my server |
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| 17:54.14 | up2late | ask your question |
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| 17:54.49 | w3gi | before i get a nginx error 504 and after restart i have a timeout (server dont respond) |
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| 17:56.29 | fryguy | sounds like you might be better off asking that question in #nginx |
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| 18:30.59 | miesco | teraflops: Okay I am back |
| 18:31.17 | tom99 | ok i haev stupid question |
| 18:31.20 | tom99 | in that case |
| 18:31.27 | miesco | teraflops: It wont let me delete the partition because its encrypted |
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| 18:33.42 | unborn | okay this question is related to debian.. how to make me notified about updates - jessie - gnome.. it faills.. i have to always do apt-get update and then upgrade - any thoughts ? |
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| 18:34.38 | unborn | ...im not debian novice ;) |
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| 18:38.31 | miesco | Okay I restarted the installation... |
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| 18:41.18 | tom99 | man the debian installer does not let you just click continue over and over |
| 18:41.28 | tom99 | i had to go up and click "Yes" to format the system |
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| 18:43.46 | miesco | How big should /boot be? |
| 18:44.08 | vook | 512M or so miesco |
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| 18:45.21 | vook | Any ideas why debian netinst would be reporting "No kernel modules were found. This is probably due to a mismatch between the kernel used..." I've downloaded another from a different mirror and found no difference. |
| 18:45.51 | vook | Would missing raid firmware cause that? Seems like it shouldn't report that "no modules were found" - just no HD controller. |
| 18:46.48 | unborn | vook: install done via unetbootin? |
| 18:46.58 | vook | no, CD |
| 18:47.18 | unborn | ah i see.. okay was that non-free dvd/cd? |
| 18:47.30 | vook | no, just straight netinst. |
| 18:47.45 | unborn | well then install drivers |
| 18:48.01 | unborn | or perhaps install netinst - non free.. |
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| 18:48.16 | vook | this is reported during the installer - no installation has taken place. |
| 18:48.22 | vook | I'll try the non-free netinst |
| 18:48.31 | miesco | Is /boot ext4? |
| 18:48.41 | greycat | waits for the part where he says it wasn't a *jessie* netinst |
| 18:48.45 | unborn | miesco: i guess so.. |
| 18:48.51 | vook | greycat: it's jessie, amd64 |
| 18:49.11 | miesco | Is /boot bootable? |
| 18:49.23 | unborn | when you install classic way - it ask you where to place its own stuff.. I usually say directly to hdd which is ext4 |
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| 18:50.08 | greycat | miesco: bootableness of a partition is completely irrelevant in modern systems |
| 18:50.26 | miesco | greycat: So it doesn't matter if bootable flag is on or off? |
| 18:51.53 | greycat | Far as I know, that is correct. |
| 18:52.25 | tom99 | i'm installing debian right now and it's pretty easy |
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| 18:52.43 | tom99 | no raid hardware though |
| 18:52.53 | tom99 | oh crap |
| 18:52.59 | tom99 | now i have to actually make decision on what to install |
| 18:53.01 | tom99 | gnome or kde? |
| 18:53.05 | tom99 | ssh server??! |
| 18:53.22 | vook | for a slim installation, just choose ssh and install everything else later. |
| 18:53.26 | tom99 | then something called MATE and Cinnamon |
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| 18:53.42 | tom99 | idk what those are |
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| 18:53.50 | tom99 | even no desktop? ah that's hardcore! |
| 18:53.57 | tom99 | but i want to develop graphical openl stuff |
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| 18:54.27 | tom99 | so i'll click... GNOME |
| 18:54.45 | tom99 | because i'm afraid of change |
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| 18:56.03 | njumdl2014 | I have subscribed some debian mailing list before. But I do not remember now. How could I get a list about debian mailing list I subscribed? |
| 18:57.03 | teraflops | you get the emails, don't you? |
| 18:58.04 | njumdl2014 | yes, from debian-devel, debian-user,debian-glibc ... I want to unsubscribe some of them. |
| 18:58.47 | rlange | tom99: "gnome desktop" and "debian desktop" are the same thing. kde is well, kde. cinnamon is gnome3 but the ui is different, for people who hate the gnome ui. mate pretends that gnome3 never happened and they continued developing the gnome2 code base |
| 18:59.38 | rlange | that's the super-over-simplified version |
| 18:59.43 | teraflops | njumdl2014: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe ? |
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| 19:02.36 | miesco | What is the disadvantage of not having /boot encrypted? |
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| 19:03.17 | Pwnna | miesco: that double negative tho |
| 19:03.19 | vook | I can't think of any reason to encrypt boot on a standard system |
| 19:03.24 | rlange | miesco: anyone who gets your hard drive could alter your kernel and you would be none the wiser |
| 19:03.45 | Pwnna | you really need secure boot if you want to verify your kernel |
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| 19:04.19 | rattking | a unencrypted /boot is an attack surface, the ramdisk is a place to put a keylogger |
| 19:04.21 | rlange | yeah, encrypting the whole stack really only works if you have a trusted path from initialization up |
| 19:04.36 | rlange | which arguably no one has |
| 19:04.49 | Pwnna | aren't there some platforms where you can load your own keys? |
| 19:04.50 | Pwnna | thinkpads? |
| 19:04.54 | Pwnna | for secure boot that |
| 19:05.11 | Pwnna | but the thing about that is any tainted kernel module means that you can no longer boot. |
| 19:05.15 | LunaLovegood | Put a password on your bios setup, and a padlock on the physical case. |
| 19:05.31 | rlange | yes, some platforms do allow you to do that -- if you trust the firmware... |
| 19:05.35 | miesco | LunaLovegood: That will fix it? |
| 19:05.36 | Pwnna | ... |
| 19:05.45 | Pwnna | trust is a hard topic |
| 19:06.02 | miesco | I don't care if I lose my data; I just dont want others getting it |
| 19:06.14 | LunaLovegood | miesco: it's better than wasting time securing the kernel/initrd/whatever |
| 19:06.19 | Pwnna | /boot is arguably not a way to encrypt tho. just use luks |
| 19:06.26 | Pwnna | if you care, move your /boot into a usb drive |
| 19:06.36 | Pwnna | and your luks header |
| 19:06.55 | Pwnna | i've investigated doing this and realize it's probably more hassle than necessary. |
| 19:06.59 | LunaLovegood | why not use PXE boot? |
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| 19:07.03 | Pwnna | works too |
| 19:07.07 | Pwnna | but maybe it's a laptop |
| 19:07.25 | Pwnna | and you're somewhere that doesn't have network access |
| 19:07.31 | Pwnna | you can do some weird /boot overlay magic |
| 19:07.37 | LunaLovegood | on a laptop, you'll end up breaking the usb drive unless you havce recessed ports |
| 19:07.38 | miesco | LunaLovegood: Set a bios password? What if they take my harddrive out and put it in a new computer? |
| 19:07.52 | Pwnna | miesco: as i said, just use LUKS |
| 19:07.57 | rattking | I heard recently that grub2 can boot luks encrypted partitions directly now.. but I havent tried it yet |
| 19:07.58 | Pwnna | that encrypts everythign except boot |
| 19:08.06 | miesco | Pwnna: I am using luks, but I can't encrypt /boot with it |
| 19:08.13 | Pwnna | miesco: why do you need /boot encrypted/ |
| 19:08.17 | Pwnna | there's no data in it |
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| 19:08.26 | miesco | Pwnna: Because you guys just told me a million reasons |
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| 19:08.39 | Pwnna | well there's the linux kernel, but as we have established, you can't really secure that unless you have a trusted path from hardware and up. |
| 19:08.59 | miesco | 03:03pm rlange | miesco: anyone who gets your hard drive could alter your kernel and you would be none the wiser |
| 19:09.00 | Pwnna | you can try, but i don't know of a consumer/business computer that allows you to set everything you want. |
| 19:09.21 | Pwnna | miesco: them altering your kernel doesn't mean they can access your data directly |
| 19:09.29 | Pwnna | unless they insert a keylogger, as previously stated |
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| 19:09.42 | Pwnna | just don't leave your laptop unattended, really. otherwise use physical security measures |
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| 19:10.02 | Pwnna | or, use a boot usb as i suggested.. but then you still have to trust that your firmware (BIOS/UEFI) is not bugged. |
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| 19:10.40 | Pwnna | you have to know what you're protecting against before you can decide how much security you want. |
| 19:10.41 | vook | miesco: do people care enough about your data to swap out the kernel and insert a key-logger? |
| 19:10.47 | Pwnna | ^ |
| 19:11.12 | unborn | wtf? |
| 19:11.16 | unborn | ^ |
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| 19:11.26 | Pwnna | if you're /that/ paranoid. i'd suggest /boot off usb, unencrypted. just carry it around your pocket and make sure no one else touch it |
| 19:12.04 | Pwnna | but then again, UEFI exploits are real and can also keylog.. at that level of paranoia you should ask what RMS runs and do that. |
| 19:12.10 | Pwnna | maybe libreboot with old thinkpads :P |
| 19:12.25 | rainfyre | he uses a chinese computer |
| 19:12.27 | miesco | Pwnna: You can encrypt /boot |
| 19:12.32 | rlange | yeah, you need to define who you are really protecting yourself against |
| 19:12.32 | rainfyre | with an open source bios |
| 19:12.36 | rainfyre | ^ |
| 19:12.43 | miesco | rlange: nsa |
| 19:12.46 | rlange | if it's a state-level actor, then this probably applies too: https://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 19:12.49 | Pwnna | miesco: yeah but that doesn't really help you against someone who wants to swap your /boot with their /boot |
| 19:13.08 | rainfyre | what possibly needs to be encrypted in /boot? |
| 19:13.18 | miesco | Pwnna: How would their /boot know where all my partitions are? |
| 19:13.38 | Pwnna | miesco: if you use luks there should be a pretty well defined signature. |
| 19:13.40 | vook | miesco: boot doesn't really know that much about partitions, thats fstab |
| 19:13.46 | Pwnna | but then again i'm not familiar with that. |
| 19:13.48 | vook | it knows about root and boot |
| 19:13.55 | Pwnna | either way there's a predefined location where you boot from iirc |
| 19:14.02 | unborn | miesco: its partition right? common sense would tell them where it is.. |
| 19:14.15 | Pwnna | so you just swap that and then an adversary can swap out your encrypted /boot |
| 19:14.45 | miesco | Great so now I have to worry about waking up to a key logger every morning |
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| 19:14.57 | rattking | https://wiki.debian.org/Grub2#Configure_encrypted_.2Fboot |
| 19:15.11 | unborn | miesco: not really.. if you dont run windows 8 or 10 you can sleep tight |
| 19:15.13 | Pwnna | miesco: if you want to be that paranoid.. there are a lot of attack vectors everywhere. |
| 19:15.33 | miesco | I guess I could have camera survelliance in my room when I sleep, but then they could mess with the survelliance videos... |
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| 19:15.40 | unborn | if you paranoid as mentioned use usb and boot every time live system miesco |
| 19:15.45 | Pwnna | miesco: i'm up at night worrying about fx zero days swiping my keys because there's no app-level access control with desktop linux. |
| 19:15.56 | Pwnna | miesco: or maybe someone can bug my HDD /SSD firmware |
| 19:16.00 | croddy | even after you hire the armed guards, you have to hire a second group of armed guards to guard the other guards. |
| 19:16.21 | rlange | miesco: sorry, but if you really, truly want to (and genuinely have need to) remain safe from the frickin NSA, then saying so in an open forum is a really good way to draw their attention |
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| 19:16.30 | croddy | and then there's thompson's compiler vulnerability. |
| 19:16.43 | rlange | when protecting yourself from something like the NSA, the only real strategy is to STAY OFF THEIR RADAR |
| 19:16.54 | vook | miesco: are you Hillary Clinton? I've got a feeling... |
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| 19:17.15 | Pwnna | lol |
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| 19:17.23 | Pwnna | just don't use computers |
| 19:17.25 | Pwnna | find a cave |
| 19:17.28 | Pwnna | disappear in it |
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| 19:17.38 | miesco | Pwnna: Thats not a bad idea |
| 19:17.51 | Pwnna | ensure that when you leave for the cave you don't get caught by all the surveillance cameras |
| 19:17.53 | unborn | vook lol the old woman which cannot do anything just empty speeches? I think he is more intelligent than her :D |
| 19:17.56 | erm3nda | but take a laptop with you :V and a dinaymo and solar power |
| 19:18.05 | Pwnna | erm3nda: ruined my security, lol |
| 19:18.06 | Iridos | tortib, share mountpoint cifs user,credentials=/home/blubb/.smbcredentials,user=blubb |
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| 19:18.35 | erm3nda | even if i love computers i think on hammers when use them |
| 19:18.41 | tortib | Iridos, do i user specify username=user password=password on seprate lines in .smbcredentials? |
| 19:19.18 | miesco | Wait a sec, if someone installed a keylogger, how would they get the key strokes? |
| 19:19.19 | erm3nda | maybe you can use a old fashioned papyro turing machine, with no wifi dongle |
| 19:19.31 | miesco | And the keylogger would be a kernel module, right? |
| 19:19.39 | Iridos | tortib, yes |
| 19:19.44 | unborn | miesco: really - google it.. |
| 19:19.52 | Pwnna | miesco: doesn't really matter |
| 19:20.12 | Pwnna | also the screen that allows you to enter your password |
| 19:20.15 | Pwnna | it's a userspace program |
| 19:20.28 | Pwnna | just swap that program with something that logs your passphrase and uplaod it |
| 19:20.44 | Pwnna | it honestly doesn't matter. once they can write to your storage, all bets are off. |
| 19:21.46 | miesco | Pwnna: They can't write to my storage because its encrypted |
| 19:22.20 | Pwnna | miesco: they can |
| 19:22.24 | Pwnna | just overwrite your partition |
| 19:22.27 | Pwnna | how would you know |
| 19:22.43 | miesco | Pwnna: How would I know that all my data is gone? |
| 19:22.53 | Pwnna | as i said, booting starts from a standard location |
| 19:23.25 | miesco | Pwnna: Oh, so i'll boot into a new system and realize it after I already entered my password? |
| 19:23.36 | Pwnna | precisely |
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| 19:23.40 | Pwnna | they just need to trick you long enough |
| 19:23.41 | miesco | Pwnna: Then still... they don't have access to my computer anymore |
| 19:23.46 | Pwnna | in fact, they can probably make a pass through |
| 19:24.01 | Pwnna | like basically boot into something else, and that thing then boots into your standard system |
| 19:24.26 | miesco | Pwnna: Then wouldn't I have to type my password twice? |
| 19:24.50 | Pwnna | miesco: they can write code to type your pw for you |
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| 19:25.21 | Pwnna | basically. physical access = all bets are off. this is why you see people operating TOR exit nodes throw out their machien after it got raided by the police |
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| 19:25.48 | croddy | i think it kind of comes down to the question "how many full-time employees am i going to make them dedicate, and for how long, to breaking into my system?" |
| 19:26.00 | miesco | Pwnna: How can I install a remote destruct? |
| 19:26.03 | unborn | miesco: do you do something very bad out there? |
| 19:26.05 | miesco | Pwnna: So it will blow up |
| 19:26.33 | miesco | Pwnna: Or perhaps, if I don't enter a password every 3 hours, it will blow up |
| 19:26.52 | croddy | miesco if you're going to rig explosives to the system definitely make sure you have the necessary training and have obtained the relevant licenses |
| 19:26.55 | Pwnna | miesco: you can write the code :) |
| 19:27.08 | miesco | But I guess there is still the chance of them taking out my harddrive |
| 19:27.14 | Pwnna | unborn: i think it is unfair to assume people who desire security = bad. |
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| 19:27.29 | unborn | perhaps thats why he is paranoid as fuck or perhaps he is 007.. miesco all your questions regards this can be found on google. just use live usb and you sorted. |
| 19:27.40 | Pwnna | live usb doesn't really protect against his concerns. |
| 19:27.46 | Pwnna | he wants trusted firmware + secure boot with his own keys |
| 19:28.02 | Pwnna | and TPM that's open sourced in both hardware and software, with his own keys |
| 19:28.20 | Pwnna | and use that to encrypt his devices |
| 19:28.28 | miesco | I have a yubikey, so I am going to have 2 factor authentication |
| 19:28.33 | unborn | Pwnna: me too but those questions seems to me as ;oh yes will do this and thant?; expecting unreal stuff.. its simple, if you are on computer and do shit over network they will find you no matter what.. |
| 19:28.41 | miesco | for luks password |
| 19:28.42 | unborn | even if you use live usb |
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| 19:28.50 | Pithon | Hello |
| 19:28.52 | Pithon | I am getting the error " File "/home/pi/Desktop/test.py", line 3, in <module> GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BOARD) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'setmode'". How can I solve this problem? Code and Error: http://hastebin.com/yafetekelu.coffee |
| 19:28.57 | Pwnna | unborn: yeah but that's a little bit pessimistic. (s)he has valid questions, it's just there are not good answers. |
| 19:29.06 | Pwnna | there are some stuff that you can do to IMPROVE security |
| 19:29.17 | unborn | Pwnna: live usb - what is invalid with that? |
| 19:29.21 | Pwnna | perfect security is /practically/ impossible this day and age. |
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| 19:29.46 | Pwnna | live usb is a pretty good solution, but i assume he wants persistance for his data |
| 19:29.47 | miesco | Pwnna: If my laptop gets stolen, is there any feasble way to get access to my data? |
| 19:30.03 | Pwnna | miesco: if you have luks encrypted... and if you don't ever use that laptop again, no. |
| 19:30.07 | Pwnna | and you have a long password |
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| 19:30.12 | Pwnna | long and random. |
| 19:30.14 | unborn | only when you do bad stuff - you can be scared they will come after you.. perhaps he would like to even destroy his bios if he could.. |
| 19:30.15 | Pwnna | passphrase, i should say. |
| 19:30.24 | unborn | sings |
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| 19:30.38 | Pwnna | unborn: "bad" is also a concept that's very time depedant. laws can change, government can change, right? |
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| 19:31.05 | unborn | Pwnna: sure. |
| 19:31.23 | Pwnna | so assuming people who want security are doing "bad" things makes it hard to improve things |
| 19:31.28 | unborn | Pwnna: you missed my point. well, if live usb is not enough then good luck |
| 19:31.33 | miesco | Pwnna: I will have two factor authentication with luks, but unfortunately I have a slot with a password for backup |
| 19:31.34 | Pwnna | unborn: i agree with you |
| 19:31.47 | Pwnna | unborn: i just don't agree with the sentiment that we should discriminate against those who want security. that's all. |
| 19:32.02 | Pwnna | maybe that's not what you mean. but from the wording it felt like so |
| 19:32.11 | unborn | Pwnna: we really going around the same thing.. live usb... |
| 19:32.15 | Pwnna | yeah |
| 19:32.18 | Pwnna | live usb |
| 19:32.22 | Pwnna | i'd use a /boot usb, tbh |
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| 19:32.26 | unborn | he can make it persistent |
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| 19:32.57 | unborn | just unplug and throw it out of the window.. or smash it.. safe.. |
| 19:33.11 | Pwnna | that's what i suggested too haha |
| 19:33.13 | Pwnna | just don't use a computer |
| 19:33.19 | Pwnna | don't say anything |
| 19:33.24 | Pwnna | thoughtcrime is not provable. |
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| 19:34.14 | Pwnna | miesco: i honestly dont know who your adversary is and how much inconvenience you want to put yourself into. |
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| 19:34.23 | Pwnna | miesco: as well as how much code you would like to write :P |
| 19:34.24 | unborn | be secure sure thats for sure - but talking about crap is another thing. like how they would and what would happen.. with live usb those things are out of the question.. thats what I was about. |
| 19:35.01 | Pwnna | yeah |
| 19:35.16 | Pwnna | DO know the limitations of your solutions. know the possible attacks |
| 19:35.20 | miesco | unborn: Unless the usb gets stolen |
| 19:35.46 | miesco | unborn: Or the laptop gets stolen with the usb in |
| 19:36.12 | dondelelcaro | security is always a trade off between access, cost, and time |
| 19:36.17 | Pwnna | DO know the adversary, who they are, what their capabilities are, and what your capabilities are. |
| 19:36.31 | Pwnna | AVOID attack vectors like getting your stuff stolen. |
| 19:36.33 | dondelelcaro | where the right balanace is depends on your porblem |
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| 19:36.49 | unborn | miesco: simple, make your usb persistent and use it.. if you get your ass into shit then destroy it and you are safe.. what would happen if you get usb stolen or laptop with usb in - your problem perhaps translated into human language - if you have that level of being safe and you let your laptop stolen with your live system in it - you are an idiot. |
| 19:36.51 | unborn | simple |
| 19:37.05 | Pwnna | DO NOT hyperventilate over this s***. |
| 19:38.00 | Pwnna | keep in mind that you do not have the resources to really prevent attacks in most scenarios |
| 19:38.12 | unborn | stolen laptop is great.. you can track it.. just make sure your laptop have system installed and guest account is on.. |
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| 19:38.37 | Pwnna | prevent target attacks* |
| 19:38.41 | Pwnna | booting off a live usb does not prevent an adversary from getting your data. |
| 19:38.42 | miesco | unborn: I'm not concerned about my laptop getting stolen, just someone altering it and getting my password |
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| 19:38.47 | unborn | and ssh reverse connection works with your srv.. you will be able to do anything with stolen laptop anywhere plus get ip and location. |
| 19:39.02 | Pwnna | miesco: i'd start by security your userspace first with SELinux/apparmour rather than starting with the bootloader. |
| 19:39.14 | Pwnna | s/security/securing |
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| 19:39.41 | unborn | apparmour - isnt that used by only ubuntu? just asking |
| 19:39.52 | Pwnna | i thought it's used more widely |
| 19:39.57 | Pwnna | because it's a lot easier to setup |
| 19:40.02 | Pwnna | it's paths rather than inodes |
| 19:40.09 | unborn | yeah selinux :) |
| 19:40.12 | Pwnna | yeah |
| 19:40.23 | Pwnna | i want to secure mysetup with apparmor.. don't have the time to do it :'( |
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| 19:40.46 | Pwnna | what miesco wants (well, the live usb kinda deal we discussed) is in a document somewhere i have, but that's a pipe dream |
| 19:40.56 | Pwnna | no time to do any of this stuff. |
| 19:41.10 | unborn | miesco: as you would let someone get your lappie stolen - think as a thieve a bit.. wouldnt he just unplug usb? |
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| 19:41.51 | unborn | he would.. by doing this if your usb is encrypted there is no way to get in without password right? so what you on about? |
| 19:42.07 | Pwnna | unborn: a dedicated attacker stealing his data would not.. i would start by trying to steal the encryption key from RAM while the system is booted :P |
| 19:42.22 | unborn | usb would not be important to thieve as much as the machine it self |
| 19:42.33 | miesco | Pwnna: Yea thats my big concern, someone freezing my ram |
| 19:42.39 | Pwnna | miesco: yeah.. GL |
| 19:42.50 | Pwnna | miesco: i also hope you don't use sleep your computer and always power off: P |
| 19:43.05 | miesco | Pwnna: Hibernate is okay though, right? |
| 19:43.13 | Pwnna | not sure |
| 19:43.20 | Pwnna | can you even hibernate with luks |
| 19:43.22 | miesco | Pwnna: I am pretty sure hibernate goes through bios |
| 19:43.24 | Pwnna | i can't |
| 19:43.28 | unborn | - just dont use computer. you will be bullet prove |
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| 19:43.39 | Pwnna | unborn: surveillance camera + directional microphone :D |
| 19:43.48 | unborn | Pwnna: not on debian |
| 19:43.52 | Pwnna | that's true. |
| 19:43.58 | unborn | Pwnna: if you use windows then yes.. |
| 19:44.00 | Pwnna | maybe the otherside is using debian :P |
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| 19:44.31 | unborn | you should really do related questions to debian issues not that 'shit' |
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| 19:44.56 | unborn | perhaps search channel for this unrealistic stuff. |
| 19:45.16 | Pwnna | there's ##security i think. lol |
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| 19:49.04 | unborn | miesco: unless you using encrypted live usb you are doomed. simple is that. what you do on some network can be logged without issues - you need to realise that - you cannot do anything about it, just not connect. if this is not good for you - then do not use computer and be happy. |
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| 19:50.32 | unborn | there are no ifs or buts.. simple is that. |
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| 20:03.35 | miesco | unborn: What if its an encrypted connection? |
| 20:03.47 | miesco | unborn: Like ssh or https |
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| 20:04.28 | unborn | miesco: i said not ifs or buts |
| 20:04.49 | unborn | miesco: even if network is enctypted - anything you do can be logged |
| 20:05.08 | unborn | if you paranoid then do not use that network |
| 20:05.44 | unborn | miesco: network is something you cannot do anything about regardless what and how you use. |
| 20:05.59 | unborn | google will help you about it. |
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| 20:06.30 | LNJ2GO | ...better use duckduckgo.com! |
| 20:07.59 | Ytix | well, even better ixquick or searx or something like that... not duckduckgo... |
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| 20:10.47 | miesco | How come I have hardly any packages in my new install? |
| 20:10.58 | extor | used a cd image to install debian stable on a vmware machine but after reinstallation there was no gui, just a command prompt |
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| 20:11.28 | greycat | Yay! |
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| 20:18.27 | rlange | miesco: what package groups did you select during install? same question to extor |
| 20:18.51 | miesco | rlange: I don't think it asked me |
| 20:19.13 | greycat | I didn't see extor ask anything. As far as I'm concerned he is perfectly happy with his reinstalled Debian system. |
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| 20:19.37 | greycat | That's how I like mine, too. |
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| 20:21.07 | rlange | miesco: normally there is a screen offering a list of desktop environments, plus some other options like a web server, ssh server, etc. |
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| 20:21.23 | rlange | you can always apt-get install task-gnome-desktop or something like that |
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| 20:30.06 | rlange | running the «tasksel» command as root should give you the list of package groups that you should have gotten during install |
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| 20:33.02 | thurstylark | How do you specify target release when using apt-cache search? I want to search through wheezy-backports for a package. |
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| 20:34.18 | greycat | man page says "search performs a full text search on all available package lists" ... doesn't say you can restrict it |
| 20:35.02 | thurstylark | ahh. missed that part. thanks |
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| 20:40.01 | troulouliou_div2 | hi how can i find an old mirror for debian 6 ? |
| 20:40.45 | greycat | !squeeze sources.list |
| 20:40.45 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:41.45 | troulouliou_div2 | greycat, ha it is possible to use those from the netinstall ? |
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| 20:42.03 | troulouliou_div2 | ok thanks will download the full cd |
| 20:42.04 | troulouliou_div2 | thanks |
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| 20:43.01 | greycat | Why would you need to use them DURING the install? Just do the initial update & upgrade after booting. Then select packages. |
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| 20:45.05 | Pithon | Hello |
| 20:45.06 | Pithon | I am getting errors while using the MCP230xx Python Library. How can I fix these problems? Code and errors: http://hastebin.com/enagezumup.rb |
| 20:45.10 | troulouliou_div2 | greycat, yeah thanks |
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| 20:48.23 | TomTomTosch | Pithon: if that's an i2c device google how to enable the i2c kernel modules. also, this smells like #raspbian |
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| 20:53.29 | jasabella | is tracking both stable and testing 'bad'? there's a package in stable that i want that isnt available in testing |
| 20:53.52 | greycat | Yes, it's bad. Look for a backport. |
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| 20:54.58 | jasabella | it got dropped out of testing |
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| 21:01.18 | BadPractice | can anyone tell me how i am supposed to get aufs running on debian cause i give up |
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| 21:09.32 | unixbeard | I recently switched to a monitor capable of 4k display, then switched back to 1920x1080. My mouse pointer is huge and my lock screen/login doesn't appear. Otherwise, things are OK again. The settings for mouse and touchpad pointer size does not seem to change anything. What should I try? |
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| 21:20.07 | egrain | what's the newst openssl version? |
| 21:20.12 | egrain | in debian i mean. |
| 21:20.24 | egrain | OpenSSH 6.0p1? |
| 21:20.46 | egrain | oh, i meant ssh. |
| 21:20.47 | egrain | sorry. |
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| 21:24.42 | beardface | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.09 | egrain | oh, i figured it out. i had trouble with the Debian 4+deb7u1, but found it in the change log. |
| 21:25.12 | egrain | thanks so much though. |
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| 21:28.49 | b6s3d | weird, ferm dosn't allow apt-get to update |
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| 21:48.33 | jmcnaught | b6s3d: what do you mean? |
| 21:48.49 | bobol | hello |
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| 21:50.25 | bobol | can debian testing be compared to mint ? |
| 21:50.44 | RoyK | bobol: somehow, although mint is based on ubuntu |
| 21:50.53 | chaddy | what's your real question? |
| 21:51.00 | bobol | I speak about stability |
| 21:51.08 | bobol | does it crash a lot ? |
| 21:51.11 | RoyK | bobol: and mint has some sort of evaulation process, testing doesn't have much of that |
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| 21:52.14 | RoyK | bobol: perhaps I'm wrong, I was thinking of unstable - testing should work - but then - do you want a stable OS or something that crashes regularly? |
| 21:52.47 | bobol | I used debian stable in my laptop, but some packages are too old, for this reason I changed it with mint. but I don't really like this last |
| 21:52.58 | teraflops | mint used to have trojans too |
| 21:53.22 | RoyK | !fns |
| 21:53.25 | b6s3d | jmcnaught: when my firewall ferm is enabled apt-get update won't get good results |
| 21:53.38 | awal1 | bobol, old pkgs? which ones? |
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| 21:53.43 | RoyK | !fsf |
| 21:53.43 | dpkg | somebody said fsf was the Free Software Foundation, created by an executive decision by RMS under GNU. see http://www.fsf.org/ to read RMS's writings. Especially the one on "Why Software Should Not Have Owners." It's cosmic. see cosmic. |
| 21:53.53 | RoyK | erm |
| 21:53.55 | RoyK | !fss |
| 21:53.56 | dpkg | i heard fss is "join us now and share the software, you'll be free hacker, you'll be freee ..." |
| 21:54.02 | bobol | <awal1> Qt5 |
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| 21:54.15 | bobol | before 1 year I think |
| 21:54.27 | bobol | under wheezy |
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| 21:54.50 | jmcnaught | bobol: that's how Debian Stable works. The packages are frozen at a certain point. The freeze for Jessie happened in November 2014. |
| 21:55.03 | jmcnaught | b6s3d: can you make a paste of the output? |
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| 21:55.56 | b6s3d | anyway.. i just got these files, can anyone tell me or guide/redirect me to google? any help will be gladly appreciated. https://0bin.link/paste/uokv-UU3#hsyYSlPH3VDSRFD8RE3vGOFvqCNdzO7WGI6AKD3IU6h . an encrypted pastebin |
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| 21:56.32 | b6s3d | jmcnaught, can you tell me how to get pastebinit |
| 21:56.36 | jmcnaught | b6s3d: please use https://paste.debian.net/ the paste you used requires javascript |
| 21:56.56 | awal1 | bobol, it's a matter of stability vs new edges stuff. if you want a stable system, run stable (jessie), if you want new adge so go fo sid (instable), but you should know what you do then |
| 21:57.00 | jmcnaught | b6s3d: you can also try http://termbin.com/ |
| 21:57.19 | awal1 | unstable ^ |
| 21:57.32 | b6s3d | https://paste.debian.net/783318/ |
| 21:57.56 | jmcnaught | bobol: what debian means by stable/unstable is whether it changes. stable doesn't change by surprise (except rarely for security updates that can't be backported), testing and unstable change all the time (at least until testing is frozen) |
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| 21:58.27 | jmcnaught | b6s3d: did you paste a PNG file into the paste site? use text please. |
| 21:58.43 | b6s3d | i did |
| 21:58.53 | b6s3d | its a image, what have you expected ? |
| 21:59.03 | jmcnaught | b6s3d: don't use an image, use text |
| 21:59.11 | b6s3d | its a image |
| 21:59.18 | jmcnaught | b6s3d: look at that link you shared, can you see anything? https://paste.debian.net/783318/ |
| 21:59.46 | b6s3d | copy paste into a text editor and save it as png |
| 22:00.00 | RoyK | !lsb |
| 22:00.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, lsb is Debian is dropping LSB support; see https://lwn.net/Articles/658809/ -- Linux Standard Base is a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb . See also <lsb tags>, <fancytty>. |
| 22:00.08 | jmcnaught | b6s3d: don't save it as a PNG. copy the text to the paste site. |
| 22:00.26 | b6s3d | as you wish |
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| 22:00.45 | RoyK | sorry.... that was |
| 22:00.46 | RoyK | !sns |
| 22:00.46 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 22:01.12 | teraflops | RoyK: please stop |
| 22:01.21 | RoyK | teraflops: I've already stopped |
| 22:01.33 | jmcnaught | http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/ <-- you can search factoids here |
| 22:01.49 | teraflops | RoyK: lol? |
| 22:02.04 | b6s3d | https://paste.debian.net/783321/ |
| 22:02.15 | awal1 | bobol, well, unstable (sid) isn't really weird, unstable doesn't mean broken system/less tested pkgs, it mean IT changes, as jmcnaught told you, it's like a rolling system. If you run a conservative desktop environment or just X window manager with sid, and having a good habits and taking care of your system, you can run sid just fine, for daily use tasks, not production |
| 22:02.39 | jmcnaught | b6s3d: what are you showing us? I thought you had trouble doing "apt-get update"? |
| 22:02.56 | b6s3d | -.- |
| 22:03.01 | b6s3d | brb 3 min |
| 22:03.57 | bobol | awal1> all my application will be inside docker or qemu-kvm |
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| 22:04.10 | bobol | I think that will let my system stable |
| 22:04.13 | awal1 | bobol, conservative DE I mean xfce. If you run gnome/kde/cinnamon in sid, then you will enjoy your time fixing stuff, which thing makes you learn too :P |
| 22:05.29 | awal1 | bobol, a good choice is running jessie + sid in a vm, if you are not an adventurous user :P |
| 22:06.28 | bobol | I'm ^^ |
| 22:06.37 | bobol | Ok I'll try debian unstable with gnome :) I hope it not make me crazy |
| 22:06.41 | bobol | haha |
| 22:06.56 | awal1 | gnome is broken right now in sid |
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| 22:07.12 | bobol | and in testing ? |
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| 22:07.29 | awal1 | i dont know, i no use it |
| 22:08.21 | bobol | perhaps I'll use testing and see |
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| 22:14.26 | bobol | I have a stupid job as a sysadmin. so I need to contribute to some project or I'll become crazy -_- |
| 22:15.09 | b6s3d | jmcnaught: excuse my delay, i ran into some meatballs |
| 22:17.00 | b6s3d | i got those files i listed for you from my vpn provider, but the guy who gave me them said they where for advance users, i am not that advance yet so i thought coming here might be a good idea. they are for a static public ip |
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| 22:18.48 | awal1 | bobol, when something is broken in sid, like gnome now, that means a dependencies problems, but similar stuff are fixed in a few days, sometimes in less then 24/48 hours. thats what broken means usually |
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| 22:19.49 | bobol | I understand |
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| 22:25.21 | bobol | I have to go to sleep |
| 22:25.27 | bobol | good night :) |
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| 22:46.02 | miesco | How do I see what debian packages I have? |
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| 22:47.49 | miesco | Well, I mean how do I tell what packages from a backup of a computer? |
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| 22:50.26 | miesco | Is there log files or something? |
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| 22:56.10 | awal1 | miesco, well, if you just want list all the packages installed in your machine run dpkg -l |
| 22:57.55 | miesco | awal1: I only have the files from the machine |
| 22:58.28 | awal1 | miesco, I don't understand what's you want exactly |
| 22:58.40 | awal1 | no clue if other peopel understood you |
| 22:59.16 | awal1 | what you want ^ |
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| 23:12.22 | chrislamp | hello all! I am using Debian as desktop and I need very much to connect to windows 10 machines shares. I have this bug as many other users: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1576449 |
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| 23:13.14 | chrislamp | it seems that smbclient and nautilus not working with windows10 at all |
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| 23:13.43 | chrislamp | it is logical for debian team to not contain those fixes?? thank you |
| 23:14.10 | awilfox | hello there, I am trying to report a bug with GNU Parted which appears to use the Trac instance on Alioth, and er, it doesn't seem to be working very well http://parted.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/newticket |
| 23:14.23 | awilfox | whom in Debian would I contact to report this error and potentially have it fixed? |
| 23:14.45 | awilfox | it doesn't seem like I can report it via Trac, anyway... |
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| 23:15.33 | peterrooney | miesco: try /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 23:17.59 | PadawanLearner | aloha |
| 23:18.12 | petemc | chrislamp: windows 10 is a moving target, hard to keep up with. |
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| 23:23.07 | ronkrt | I have a CD Iso how can I use a sub stick too install from? |
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| 23:25.17 | petemc | ronkrt: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 23:25.50 | ronkrt | thank you |
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| 23:32.54 | jelly | awilfox, hmm. See the topic in #alioth on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org) |
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| 23:34.42 | janemba | hi |
| 23:35.10 | janemba | when I try to mount nfs share I have the following error : |
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| 23:35.14 | janemba | mount.nfs: mount(2): No such device |
| 23:35.16 | janemba | mount.nfs: No such device |
| 23:36.02 | janemba | http://pastebin.com/KCmPujqy |
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| 23:38.45 | chrislamp | petemc: other distributions have already fixed this bug many time ago. |
| 23:39.39 | chrislamp | it is so difficult for debian to go from samba 4.2 to 4.4? |
| 23:39.57 | chrislamp | windows 10 installations getting more and more |
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| 23:45.16 | jelly | janemba: which debian release is this? is local rpcbind or portmap service running? |
| 23:46.32 | janemba | jelly: this is a debian 8.5 and rpcbind is running |
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| 23:47.54 | jelly | janemba: you need: portmap/rpcbind, locally; portmap/rpcing and nfsd, remotely (check with: rpcinfo -p remote-server-name); correct exports remotely (check with: showmount -e remote-server-name) |
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| 23:48.08 | jelly | that's for nfs v3. v4 needs some more |
| 23:49.55 | ronkrt | If my mouse isn't moving during graphical install will it Not work when I boot? |
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| 23:51.24 | janemba | jelly: well, the export are ok I can connect with another machine but I can't find portmap with apt-cache |
| 23:52.11 | jelly | janemba, that's fine, you need either rpcbind or portmap, any of the two will do |
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| 23:52.36 | janemba | jelly: well rpcbind is alread started :( |
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| 23:52.54 | jelly | janemba: what does "rpcinfo -p localhost" say? |
| 23:53.04 | jelly | janemba: and also is nfs-common service running? |
| 23:53.13 | jelly | on the client |
| 23:53.31 | janemba | jelly: http://pastebin.com/MtAb4Sia |
| 23:53.44 | janemba | jelly: nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server started |
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| 23:58.38 | jelly | you don't need nfs-kernel-server on the _client_ |
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| 23:59.51 | jelly | janemba, that's weird, only portmap itself in the output as if nfs-common isn't active at all. |
