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| 00:06.05 | vjacob | hi all. is there any way to check from within linux (debian 8.5), whether or not a certain PCI(e) slot is taken or not? I've looked at /proc and at lspci but none of these seem to offer a clear output |
| 00:06.54 | x86iac | lshw |
| 00:07.55 | mutante | vjacob: lspci -t shows a tree |
| 00:09.04 | vjacob | mutante, I've looked at that, but it does not seem to give me the detail level, which I would like as in ("free slot") |
| 00:09.50 | mutante | vjacob: -t -vvv ? in my case i have some lines like this: |
| 00:09.55 | mutante | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.59 | mutante | is that a free slot? |
| 00:10.52 | vjacob | I also tried with -vv yeah, perhaps I will look at it again. mean while someone suggest lshw and dmideco |
| 00:11.30 | bazhang | dmidecode |
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| 00:13.20 | vjacob | yeah, sorry, typoed |
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| 00:16.55 | Winux | Hello |
| 00:16.57 | Winux | How can I close all other programs except the one in focus with the command line? |
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| 00:18.15 | x86iac | thats a tough one - combo of wmctrl... rename windows not in focus to name1 then pkill -f name1? |
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| 00:19.10 | x86iac | or xdotool to move mouse to all non-focused windows and click 'x' ;) |
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| 00:21.41 | Winux | x86iac: I have both xdotool and wmctrl |
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| 00:25.33 | x86iac | there is also xwininfo |
| 00:27.28 | Winux | x86iac: What does xwininfo do |
| 00:27.42 | x86iac | here is a good page for using xdotool to figure out focused/active window http://superuser.com/questions/382616/detecting-currently-active-window |
| 00:28.30 | x86iac | the xprop one looks good too |
| 00:30.37 | Winux | x86iac: The focused window will always be the same |
| 00:31.29 | x86iac | then easy to find the windows numbers/names of the others |
| 00:31.38 | x86iac | wmctrl -c them |
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| 00:32.54 | Winux | x86iac: I know the name of the focused window, but not the unfocused windows |
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| 00:40.09 | Neo | how does networking start exactly? |
| 00:41.39 | x86iac | start script called network |
| 00:41.53 | x86iac | it calls tons of other scripts |
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| 00:47.27 | Neo | aye |
| 00:47.40 | Neo | there's a verbose flag in /etc/init.d/netowrking |
| 00:47.46 | Neo | wasn't aware of that |
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| 00:48.02 | Neo | that explained everything that was happening |
| 00:50.12 | x86iac | networking or network? |
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| 01:58.06 | joe_____ | Does the AllowUsers directive in sshd_config, as well as allowing users, disallow everybody else even if they have the appropriate keys set up? |
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| 02:01.44 | Amun_Ra | mhm |
| 02:02.03 | rjsalts | joe_____: man sshd_config -> If specified, login is allowed only for user names that match one of the patterns. The allow/deny directives are processed in the following order: DenyUsers, AllowUsers, DenyGroups, and finally AllowGroups. |
| 02:02.07 | mutante | The pattern matching occurs in the following order: DenyUsers,AllowUsers,DenyGroups,AllowGroups. Which means that, for example, if you add a user to both entries (AllowUsers and DenyUsers) this would result in the user being denied no matter the order in which the rules appear in the config script. |
| 02:02.45 | mutante | that sounds like you want "Deny *" "Allow someuser" |
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| 02:03.00 | mutante | but then they would get denied |
| 02:03.48 | dumppy | I'm at the end of my roap and I know i'm in the wrong place but I'm hoping someone can point me somewhere. I'm trying to configure isc-dhcp-server to issue IPv6 addresses on my network (already working with IPv4) and I'm just getting nowhere. Has anyone gotten it to work or can you suggest another channel to look for help. |
| 02:04.08 | Hello71 | you probably don't want dhcpv6 |
| 02:04.09 | rjsalts | AllowUsers is a whitelist, it denies everyone else. Presumably if you had someone in Deny and Allow then they'd be denied, but if you had nothing in Deny and entries in Allow then only those in Allow would be able to log in |
| 02:04.20 | dumppy | Hello71: why do you say that? |
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| 02:04.45 | Hello71 | if you think you want it just because "it's ipv6", you probably don't really want it |
| 02:05.33 | mutante | dumppy: IPv6 uses something called autoconf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Stateless_address_autoconfiguration_.28SLAAC.29 |
| 02:05.50 | dumppy | reason I was going to it is my ISP pushed out an update to my modem witch is now issuing RA IPv6 IP's and it's replacing my local DNS info with theirs so nothing is getting resolved locally |
| 02:06.01 | Hello71 | !xy |
| 02:06.01 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 02:06.03 | Dagger | dumppy: unless you actually need DHCPv6 for some reason, I wouldn't bother. just use SLAAC |
| 02:06.04 | Hello71 | !b1 |
| 02:06.08 | Hello71 | grumbles |
| 02:06.09 | snfgf | Does the AllowUser directive implicitly disallow every user that isn't explicitly listed? |
| 02:06.16 | snfgf | for sshd_config |
| 02:06.17 | rjsalts | if you want to assign ip addresses to a specific DUUID to a specific client |
| 02:06.29 | Hello71 | <greybot> bashphorism 1: the questioner's first description of the problem/question will be misleading. |
| 02:06.34 | rjsalts | snfgf: see above it reads that way |
| 02:06.54 | Hello71 | snfgf: how else would it work |
| 02:07.03 | Hello71 | "allow these users... and also all the other ones" ??? |
| 02:07.13 | Dagger | dumppy: oh, well. in that case fix the "modem" (which must clearly be a router) |
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| 02:07.37 | dumppy | Dagger: correct, it's acting as the router as well |
| 02:07.42 | Hello71 | more accurately a "home gateway solution" |
| 02:07.53 | Dagger | "solution" |
| 02:07.57 | rjsalts | snfgf: man sshd_config -> If specified, login is allowed only for user names that match one of the patterns. The allow/deny directives are processed in the following order: DenyUsers, AllowUsers, DenyGroups, and finally AllowGroups. |
| 02:07.57 | dumppy | only way I see around it is to bridge the IP and configure my own router |
| 02:07.58 | Dagger | usually more the problem |
| 02:08.01 | Hello71 | which usually does modem routing and wifi all badly |
| 02:08.03 | x86iac | if you want the users to have specific other options then use Match users |
| 02:08.16 | Dagger | yeah, stick it in bridge mode and use your own router |
| 02:08.26 | Hello71 | then it can only do modem badly |
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| 02:08.42 | dumppy | Hello71: LOL Very true |
| 02:08.59 | dumppy | Just don't have the extra hardware for it at the moment |
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| 02:10.00 | dumppy | I know it's a pain in the butt but figured maybe this might be the thing to light the fire under my ass and learn IPv6 |
| 02:10.10 | x86iac | rj-45 on cell phone and then use the 'modem' |
| 02:10.18 | dumppy | I just can't find anyone posting anything online having anything working |
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| 02:10.24 | rjsalts | dumppy: can you just block the RA in iptables? |
| 02:10.41 | Dagger | v6 is mostly just v4 with more bits |
| 02:10.43 | rjsalts | dumppy: or on your modem/router |
| 02:10.45 | dumppy | that's a thought, it is one specific ip |
| 02:10.59 | dumppy | I checked the modem / router no way to disable it |
| 02:11.01 | dumppy | POS |
| 02:11.11 | mutante | dumppy: http://cs292.blogspot.com/2010/03/dhcpv6-vs-stateless-autoconfig-vs.html |
| 02:11.26 | mutante | dumppy: you can do "autoconf" or stateless DHCP or stateful DHCP , see link above |
| 02:11.36 | Dagger | rjsalts: or just disable the DNS part on the client |
| 02:11.37 | mutante | and the part "Which of these option should be used is a subject of controversy in the networking community. " heh |
| 02:11.52 | Dagger | which... hm. is probably done by rdnss on most Debian systems |
| 02:11.56 | dumppy | checking link but I have tried to do stateful DHCP without luck |
| 02:12.11 | Dagger | but if you have network-manager or systemd-networkd then pff, you're on your own |
| 02:12.14 | rjsalts | looks like the problem is that the isp is doing "stateless DHCP" for handing out caching resolvers |
| 02:12.34 | mutante | systemd-networkd sounds scary |
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| 02:13.19 | Dagger | or dhcpcd, I think that does funky stuff too |
| 02:13.29 | dumppy | rjsalts: that's exactly what's going on so I was hoping to over ride it with a stateful DHCP |
| 02:13.40 | dumppy | I'm going to read this artical and check back in |
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| 02:13.52 | dumppy | thanks for the advice everyone |
| 02:14.16 | rjsalts | dumppy: it sounds pretty weird that your router would forward RAs from your isp no questions asked without having some ipv6 support |
| 02:14.18 | Dagger | staeful DHCP only does addresses though, not DNS servers |
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| 02:15.16 | rjsalts | the RA for the ancillary info in stateless dhcpv6 won't be blocked by the stateful dhcpv6? |
| 02:15.26 | Dagger | but I guess the DNS servers are probably coming from the RAs, not DHCPv6. try running `rdisc6 eth0` (it's in ndisc6) to see what's actually going on |
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| 02:15.41 | x86iac | iptables doesn't block any dhcp ... you need ebtables |
| 02:16.12 | rjsalts | x86iac: dhcpv6 is multicast isn't it? |
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| 02:17.23 | x86iac | yes |
| 02:17.26 | Dagger | rjsalts: ...let me just summarize v6 autoconf: routers send RAs which announce themselves to the network |
| 02:18.14 | Dagger | rjsalts: the RAs have 3 flags in them: the "go ahead and just pick yourself an address" flag (aka SLAAC), the "use stateful DHCPv6 to get an address" flag, and the "use stateless DHCPv6 to get DNS/NTP/etc" flag |
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| 02:18.29 | Dagger | rjsalts: these can be turned on in any combination |
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| 02:18.43 | dumppy | from what I understand Dagger is right |
| 02:18.57 | Dagger | also there's RDNSS which puts DNS servers in RAs [which I think was a bad idea, this is what we have stateless DHCPv6 for] |
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| 02:19.13 | dumppy | I'm not sure on the POS modem / router I have if I can switch the RA packet but I'm hoping it might see the stateful DHCP and advertise that |
| 02:19.28 | Dagger | [I think RDNSS happened because there was no simple stateless DHCPv6 server for Linux. all the stateless ones were _also_ stateful servers and thus complicated] |
| 02:19.57 | Dagger | anyway, info from the various autoconfs is just merged |
| 02:20.11 | Dagger | if SLAAC and DHCPv6 are enabled for addresses... then you get two addresses, one from each |
| 02:20.12 | x86iac | Dagger: sorry i missed what you are wanting to do.. could you repeat it |
| 02:20.33 | dumppy | Dagger: Sh*t |
| 02:20.49 | Dagger | and stateless DHCPv6 and stateful DHCPv6 can't override each other because they cover different things |
| 02:20.50 | dumppy | well not what I wanted to hear but it is tottaly what I came here for |
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| 02:21.19 | Dagger | (I will also explicitly point out that DHCPv6 doesn't do routes, at all. those are done by RAs) |
| 02:21.19 | dumppy | from what I understand Stateful will issue all info. IP, DNS, NTS |
| 02:21.24 | Dagger | x86iac: not me, dumppy |
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| 02:22.37 | Dagger | dumppy: stateful does IP, stateless does DNS/NTP/etc |
| 02:22.42 | dumppy | x86iac: Oh man. Long story short, my sh*ty router / modem is issuing IPv6 DNS servers that are being used localy over my local DNS |
| 02:23.17 | Dagger | dumppy: but you may instead (or as well) be getting IP from SLAAC, and you may not even be doing stateless DHCPv6 |
| 02:23.26 | Dagger | tl;dr look at rdisc6 to see what the router is offering |
| 02:23.30 | dumppy | My original plan was to implement a DHCP6 server to over power this and hopefully restore local DNS |
| 02:24.08 | mutante | dumppy: how many clients do you have in your network? |
| 02:24.26 | mutante | dumppy: you could also just configure all IPs static .. ? |
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| 02:25.03 | dumppy | very true mutante, minimum 12 when I'm not running extra virtuals |
| 02:25.15 | x86iac | for sure .. so static .. and better for security if needed |
| 02:25.18 | Dagger | rather than static config all the things, it'd make more sense to just disable automatic DNS config |
| 02:25.52 | Dagger | (...but it'd make even more sense to just not use a router that you can't configure) |
| 02:26.39 | dumppy | I know you're right Dagger. Just have to go buy a used PC to turn into my router / firewall now |
| 02:26.52 | dumppy | not sure runing a xen vm as a router is a good idea |
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| 02:27.48 | x86iac | 12 port switch and p233MHz -> great router |
| 02:27.56 | Dagger | people do do that |
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| 02:28.26 | Dagger | I use a Raspberry Pi instead (but it's kinda slow) |
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| 02:28.57 | Dagger | probably faster than a 233 MHz Intel anything though |
| 02:29.06 | Dagger | and somewhat more easily ignored power consumption |
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| 02:29.40 | x86iac | 2 AAA batteries ? ;) |
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| 02:32.07 | Dagger | that's more of a UPS than a power supply |
| 02:33.59 | finchd | a xen vm would be much faster than a pi, even more so if has pci passthrough of dedicated L2 switching hardware |
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| 02:34.55 | x86iac | exit |
| 02:35.02 | x86iac | cya |
| 02:35.04 | dvs | !exit |
| 02:35.04 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 02:35.51 | Dagger | a Pi2/3 will likely max out their 100mbit ethernet though |
| 02:36.04 | Dagger | which might be enough |
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| 02:37.08 | neldogz | I have two 1TB disks in which I have added a GPT partition type. I am going to use the entire disk and set them in a RAID1 configuration. Do I need to create a partition before creating the array? For example, can I just do this: sudo mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdc /dev/sdd |
| 02:38.12 | rudi_s | neldogz: You can use either the raw device or partition on them for mdadm. Some people recommend using partitions which are slightly smaller in size than the underlying disks to be able to handle small differences in the disk sizes when you change disks, but that shouldn't be necessary. |
| 02:38.36 | neldogz | rudi_s, thank you very much |
| 02:38.54 | rudi_s | If you use the device itself, the partition table will be obviously destroyted. |
| 02:38.55 | rudi_s | np |
| 02:38.59 | rjsalts | neldogz: only limitation if you choose to use raw devices is that you won't be able to boot from that array |
| 02:39.31 | neldogz | rjsalts, ah, thanks for that! I wont be booting from them so I am good |
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| 02:39.53 | rudi_s | rjsalts: GRUB can boot directly from RAID 1. |
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| 02:41.49 | rjsalts | rudi_s: sure, but isn't it going to start destroying your raid metadata when you attempt to install the first stage of the bootloader that lives in boot sector/legacy bios gpt partition? |
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| 02:45.27 | rudi_s | rjsalts: You're right that you can't use the raw disc in this case, but need a partition. But you can still put the /boot partition inside the raid which resides on the disk. |
| 02:45.44 | rudi_s | So sda -> sda1 -> md0 -> boot, root, etc. partitions |
| 02:45.58 | finchd | thinks it works without issue, wasn't the one that set it up though |
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| 03:22.35 | MeatHammer | anyone have experience setting up ps4 controllers under debian? |
| 03:23.35 | MeatHammer | im using ds4drv but I keep getting the error "Failed to create input device: "/dev/uinput" cannot be opened for writing" |
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| 03:38.18 | desktop | Hey |
| 03:38.20 | desktop | How can I programatically switch the current Desktop from Desktop 1 to Desktop 2? I am using Raspbian Jessie Linux latest version. Desktop Environment |
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| 04:59.39 | cilkay | Hello. I'm creating a Debian VirtualBox VM via a preseed install. I see an error flash by on the Alt-F4 console. I'd like to direct that console to a file that I can analyze after the first boot. There is nothing interesting in syslog or dmesg on first boot, btw. How would I do capture what is being sent to stdout on VT4? |
| 04:59.56 | cilkay | Hello. I'm creating a Debian VirtualBox VM via a preseed install. I see an error flash by on the Alt-F4 console. I'd like to direct that console to a file that I can analyze after the first boot. There is nothing interesting in syslog or dmesg on first boot, btw. How would I capture to a file what is being sent to stdout on VT4? |
| 05:02.09 | Gryllida | random guess (I do not understand VMs, and why it is in vt4): is it in /var/log/boot.log? |
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| 05:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if the first run is booted from an installer image, it won't write to the logfiles of the system to install |
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| 05:06.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe virtualbox has some feature... |
| 05:07.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Serial_redirect |
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| 05:11.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Serial_redirect |
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| 05:30.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^^ |
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| 05:44.55 | cilkay | I found where the installer log is. /var/log/installer/syslog I have everything I need there. |
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| 05:48.40 | cilkay | Gryllida: The question really wasn't specific to a VM. You'd see the same thing when you're installing on bare metal. In VT1, you'll see the curses based interface that shows a progress bar and messages giving you some indication of what the installer is doing. In VT4, you'll see much more detail. |
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| 05:49.28 | cilkay | And first run isn't booted from the installer image. I'm talking about first run after the installer has completed. |
| 05:49.32 | Gryllida | ah, you mean logs from when you install, not when you simply boot an already installed debian? |
| 05:49.38 | cilkay | Correct. |
| 05:49.50 | Gryllida | understood, thanks for good new info and I'm glad you figured it out |
| 05:50.00 | cilkay | It's in /var/log/installer/syslog |
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| 05:51.39 | cilkay | I have a shell script that I use to create my own custom ISO and from that, I create a VirtualBox image, which also works in VMWare, and a VHD for Hyper-V. Essentially, I've created a VM image that has no external dependencies and which can be configured via a web form provided by Django running in the VM. |
| 05:53.12 | cilkay | Oh, and SaltStack is involved in all this, too. The Django form saves to the db and also to a YAML file that is being watched by inotify. On change, it kicks off a shell script that wraps salt-call and Salt takes over to configure the machine as per the key/value pairs in the YAML file. |
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| 06:01.21 | mirazi_heket | i got issue on ssh connection, anyone have ideas? http://dpaste.com/3A5YXF6 |
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| 07:19.56 | xcmpg | Hello.Is it possible to give a shell which is launched in a chroot enviroment via OpenSSHs ChrootDirectory directive the capability CAP_DAC_OVERVRIDE (EIP) . I tried it via pam_exec.so in /etc/pam/ssh (session requiered pam_exec.so stdout path=/usr/local/sbin/wrapper.sh) . The wrapper shell script use setpriv from util-linux to accomplish this task.But it didn't work -:( . |
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| 07:49.19 | b6s3d | how do i make my dns permanent, and how do i check if i am using dhcp, is dhcp good or bad ? |
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| 07:49.56 | petemc | !override dns |
| 07:49.56 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
| 07:50.38 | b6s3d | thanks! |
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| 07:54.14 | mirazi_heket | take a look please if you have time (problem with ssh connection) http://dpaste.com/3A5YXF6 |
| 07:55.04 | b6s3d | do i have to remove resolvconf petemc? |
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| 07:56.01 | b6s3d | because it does not update to the right one, but instead uses my local isp's dns |
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| 08:00.49 | b6s3d | petemc ^ |
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| 08:04.30 | petemc | b6s3d: you shouldnt need the resolvconf package |
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| 08:06.18 | b6s3d | resolvconf - u && cat /etc/resolvconf # dosn't show what i entered in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
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| 08:07.07 | b6s3d | petemc ^ |
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| 08:10.22 | k_sze[work] | My eth0 and eth1 became eth2 and eth3. What's the proper way to fix that. |
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| 08:12.26 | b6s3d | i copied /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original to ..../base |
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| 08:12.58 | b6s3d | and now it shows the one i wanted, but plus it shows the one i don't want it to show |
| 08:13.21 | b6s3d | how do i remove the old dns permanent? |
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| 08:41.37 | dka__ | I have an "hostB" that need to push with RSYNC to "hostA", the directory where backup are stored are under "/backup", I need to send backups on "hostA" at "hostA:/mnt/backup". I am trying to choose the best way to authenticate. I guess it is RSA keys. Since "hostB:/backup" is own by root:root and "hostA:/mnt/backup" by root:root, the best strategy is to create a User/Group so I can log in with that user and write into that folder right ? |
| 08:42.20 | dagerik | create backup user. add ssh keys. chown to backup |
| 08:42.29 | dagerik | disable password auth in sshd |
| 08:43.08 | dka__ | dagerik, backup user for both hosts ? |
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| 08:43.20 | dka__ | Do I create a group ? should I use fixed uuid/guid ? |
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| 08:50.52 | dka__ | dagerik, the backup already exist by default on Debian 8, should I use this one ? |
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| 08:51.39 | dagerik | only one machine needs a user backup with public key |
| 08:52.01 | dagerik | it is best if backup machines reaches out to everything else |
| 08:52.11 | dka__ | dagerik, I know how works key, however, there is by default on Debian Jessie a user backup with "backup:x:34:34:backup:/var/backups:/usr/sbin/nologin", I guess I can use that one. |
| 08:52.27 | dka__ | That's exactly what I am doing but thanks. |
| 08:53.18 | dka__ | I wonder where I should store my public key on my backup host and private key on my app host, there is no /home/backup directory |
| 08:53.38 | dagerik | google for debian backup user. it has a purpose |
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| 08:57.47 | dka__ | http://askubuntu.com/questions/63685/what-is-the-default-backup-user-for |
| 08:58.03 | dka__ | seems to look fine for use dagerik , can you answer my question please :] |
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| 08:59.30 | dagerik | public key goes in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 08:59.44 | dka__ | ~/ = ? |
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| 09:00.05 | dagerik | it's a bash thingie |
| 09:00.12 | dagerik | try echo ~ in ur shell |
| 09:00.14 | dka__ | Then, for backup user |
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| 09:00.40 | dka__ | root@backup:/var/backups# sudo -ubackup echo ~ |
| 09:00.55 | dka__ | return "/root" |
| 09:01.09 | dagerik | yes because /root is the homefolder of root |
| 09:01.14 | dka__ | so root and backup authorized_keys are mixed ? |
| 09:01.14 | themill | that ~ would be expanded by your own shell not by sudo |
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| 09:01.42 | dka__ | Backup user doesn't have a shell ? |
| 09:01.57 | dka__ | I guess it's easier to create another user with home directory |
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| 09:01.59 | dagerik | dka__: I suspect it would be more productice for you to pick up a book on linux basics |
| 09:02.41 | dka__ | dagerik, I guess you should take that book, I will clean my ass of if I am in it's possession |
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| 09:03.02 | dka__ | I am just asking a simple question, I have more than basics. |
| 09:03.11 | dka__ | Learn #howtohelp |
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| 09:03.47 | dagerik | dka__: /etc/passwd has information about the default shells of users |
| 09:04.03 | blawiz | package version of specific package can be the same in testing and unstable? |
| 09:04.26 | TomTomTosch | blawiz: it often is. |
| 09:04.39 | blawiz | TomTomTosch: i see |
| 09:04.58 | dka__ | thanks dagerik |
| 09:05.26 | TomTomTosch | blawiz: packages from sid trickle down to testing after a few days, so there is overlap. |
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| 09:07.26 | blawiz | TomTomTosch: usually just a few days? and then there will be a new version in unstable? |
| 09:07.36 | blawiz | i need a newer version of sc ;P |
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| 09:11.43 | TomTomTosch | i didn't say anything about new versions in unstable. that depends on the maintainer. |
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| 09:59.33 | no_gravity | One of my files shows up as read only in vim. Although the permissions are the same as all the other files in that directory. What's the deal? |
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| 10:02.05 | no_gravity | Ah no! Complete nonsense. I looked at the permissions of the wrong file :) |
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| 10:06.43 | Filystyn | HELLO |
| 10:06.59 | Filystyn | interesting: seems on streach the apt-get command was changed to apt |
| 10:07.06 | Filystyn | or am I WRONG ? |
| 10:07.42 | Filystyn | ANYONE?! |
| 10:07.50 | no_gravity | What is streach? |
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| 10:08.12 | Filystyn | Debian 9 "Stretch" |
| 10:08.16 | Filystyn | m and my namings |
| 10:08.23 | no_gravity | I dunno. I'm on 8. |
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| 10:08.27 | Filystyn | but |
| 10:08.39 | Filystyn | what about my question? |
| 10:08.49 | no_gravity | What about my answer? |
| 10:09.04 | Iiiak | apt is already running on jessie. Perhaps it was totaly fused on stretch… |
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| 10:09.19 | Filystyn | wy do we need to change fom apt-get to at |
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| 10:09.23 | Filystyn | apt-get was ok ;/ |
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| 10:09.46 | Iiiak | Filystyn → to unify apt-* and aptitude I think. |
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| 10:09.58 | Filystyn | ok |
| 10:10.07 | Filystyn | what is differance between aptitude and aptgeT? |
| 10:10.15 | Filystyn | i thought it is same thing |
| 10:10.20 | Filystyn | just simply two people making it |
| 10:10.58 | Filystyn | HMMM? |
| 10:11.20 | Filystyn | just used apt |
| 10:11.29 | Filystyn | looks nicer but i think adding coolors is not that important |
| 10:11.52 | Filystyn | peple should concentrate on making stale more up to date not on making aptget looking nice |
| 10:12.28 | Filystyn | --->MY OPINION<--- |
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| 10:14.37 | Filystyn | I am swapiing channels since NO answer here' |
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| 10:18.58 | eitzei | Filystyn: "The most obvious difference is that aptitude provides a terminal menu interface (much like Synaptic in a terminal), whereas apt-get does not."[1] http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/767/what-is-the-real-difference-between-apt-get-and-aptitude-how-about-wajig |
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| 10:19.47 | Filystyn | eitzei no one needs 3rd program that does the same |
| 10:19.50 | Filystyn | bu debian ways... |
| 10:19.59 | Filystyn | Might it be I will never understand those! |
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| 10:22.13 | musca | Filystyn: four keystrokes less to type |
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| 10:22.47 | musca | and you don't need to teach newbies about apt-cache |
| 10:23.06 | Filystyn | i duno wha is apt0cache |
| 10:23.09 | Filystyn | :) |
| 10:23.17 | eitzei | Or wajig ;) |
| 10:23.53 | Filystyn | tho saw it in commands but never used it |
| 10:24.24 | Filystyn | *programs" or what ever |
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| 10:27.42 | k_sze[work] | does crontab not run a job I modify a schedule and it's going to be too close to the current time? |
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| 10:28.06 | k_sze[work] | e.g. current time is 18:27 in HK, if I change the schedule to 18:28, crontab won't run it? |
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| 10:30.38 | Fat-Zer_ | is there a way to make apt pull in all build dependencies? and not to delete then when they marked auto? |
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| 10:31.47 | FinalX | apt-get build-dep <package> |
| 10:32.09 | FinalX | not sure if that'll mark them for protection against autoremove and such. |
| 10:32.11 | themill | Fat-Zer_: mk-build-deps sounds like what you want |
| 10:32.15 | FinalX | o |
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| 10:34.26 | Fat-Zer_ | FinalX: that would mark them as manually-installed, I want them to be marked as automatically-pulled-in, and I want ALL build deps... |
| 10:34.48 | aindilis | hi I am rolling a vagrant VM of the latest Debian. I have exported Jessie 8.5, but I would also like to put in either sid or unstable repo links in /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get dist-upgrade and export that machine too. (or if it's better, aptitude dist-upgrade. Do you know whether I should use sid or unstable as the repo, and what in general is the difference between them? |
| 10:35.08 | Fat-Zer_ | themill: dunno, how this may help |
| 10:35.35 | FinalX | Fat-Zer_: oh, ok |
| 10:35.48 | Fat-Zer_ | I believe there should be some cmart config option to make apt behave such... |
| 10:35.50 | themill | Fat-Zer_: it does precisely what you described |
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| 10:39.48 | Fat-Zer_ | themill: ghm... got no idea what it has commone with what I've described... |
| 10:40.40 | themill | it installs the build-deps in such a way that they are autoremovable later but won't get autoremoved immediately. Exactly as you described. |
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| 10:45.13 | Fat-Zer_ | themill: from man mk-build-deps: Given a package name and/or control file, mk-build-deps will use equivs to generate a binary package which may be installed to satisfy all the build dependencies of the given package. |
| 10:46.25 | Fat-Zer_ | *package. |
| 10:46.31 | b6s3d | how do i change dns ? |
| 10:47.31 | themill | Fat-Zer_: I know what it does... |
| 10:47.31 | Fat-Zer_ | b6s3d: for once, you may just edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:47.46 | b6s3d | no it gets overwritten |
| 10:48.07 | b6s3d | but for once yes |
| 10:48.17 | b6s3d | what about permanent ? |
| 10:48.28 | themill | b6s3d: are you using dhcp? |
| 10:48.37 | b6s3d | i think so |
| 10:48.38 | Mathisen | then maybe /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 10:48.59 | themill | b6s3d: that detail matters |
| 10:49.08 | b6s3d | nope didn't work, the old is still shown in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:49.37 | b6s3d | ^Mathisen |
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| 10:50.36 | b6s3d | themill: dhcp is enabled on my router |
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| 10:52.13 | b6s3d | come on, can't be that hard :P |
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| 10:53.52 | themill | !override dns |
| 10:53.52 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
| 10:54.20 | themill | b6s3d: it's not ^^ when the next lease is accepted, it will use the dns settings specified there, presuming you are using dhclient as the dhcp client. |
| 10:54.33 | Fat-Zer_ | b6s3d: it was easy before systemd and NM times... |
| 10:55.37 | b6s3d | gonna read some on https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 10:56.31 | Fat-Zer_ | themill: mk-build-deps just build one bloated package with build deps for a single givven package... I just want to make apt consider the build deps as normal deps... |
| 10:56.32 | themill | Fat-Zer_: those instructions predate both nm and systemd and are stull current |
| 10:56.38 | themill | Fat-Zer_: that's nice. |
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| 10:56.51 | themill | "bloated".... awesome. |
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| 10:58.58 | Fat-Zer_ | themill: what's wrong? |
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| 11:04.52 | dka | I have create a user called `dummy-backup` on two hosts, I have generated the key in `/backup/.ssh` on one host, and added the authorized_key file with the public key on they other, the command I am using is : `sudo -u dummy-backup rsync -h -v -r -P -R -t --ignore-existing -e "ssh -p 10022 -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -i /backup/.ssh/id_rsa.pub" /backup/congty/mail-server dummy-backup@cong-ty.sytes.net:/mnt/backup/loaded/hostname-01/backup/congty/mail-server` , I |
| 11:04.52 | dka | don't understand why the server keep asking me for my password. From my reading, it might be a permissions issue. I have a group called dummy-backup, and the /mnt folder is owned by this group. Any help ? |
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| 11:06.56 | Fat-Zer_ | dka: have you tried connect manually with use ssh -vvv? |
| 11:07.29 | Fat-Zer_ | is /backaup a home director of dummy-backup? |
| 11:07.37 | Fat-Zer_ | *backup |
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| 11:28.57 | kevin-leptons | hura |
| 11:29.12 | Ghostbird | What should I install so GDB shows the names of shared library functions in the disassembly? |
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| 11:31.59 | b6s3d | fixed the dns by removing resolvconf |
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| 11:33.11 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | b6s3d: are u on crack? |
| 11:33.19 | kevin-leptons | Ghostbird: if you need debug into shared lib, you must install it. if not, you should not because it make wasted storage |
| 11:33.30 | b6s3d | nope don't try to sell me that stuff xD |
| 11:33.47 | b6s3d | police police c: |
| 11:33.57 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | b6s3d: I dont sell it |
| 11:34.00 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | i dont smoke it |
| 11:34.04 | b6s3d | i do joke around |
| 11:34.07 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | but i know its LOL to talk about |
| 11:34.11 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | so i spam about it |
| 11:34.13 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | on irc |
| 11:34.16 | b6s3d | why do you ask? |
| 11:34.17 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | for the lulz |
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| 11:34.34 | b6s3d | oh k |
| 11:34.46 | Ghostbird | kevin-leptons: I don't need to debug into it. I just need to see the names in GDB. E.g: |
| 11:34.46 | Ghostbird | 0x00010f8c <+152>:bl0x10c48 |
| 11:34.46 | Ghostbird | I want that line to show the name of the function that's loaded at 0x10c48. |
| 11:34.51 | b6s3d | have you been to double chan? |
| 11:34.52 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | see, i have learned that an expert troll needs things that always get a substantial response |
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| 11:35.16 | b6s3d | Cisco3560-48PS-S: have you been to double chan? |
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| 11:35.28 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | I dont chan shit |
| 11:35.31 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | i shit channels |
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| 11:35.52 | b6s3d | can you hear that? i think its the sound of a boot getting strapped on a leg |
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| 11:37.51 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | b6s3d: your mom? |
| 11:37.56 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | going to fuckslut bootcamp |
| 11:38.04 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | to learn how to be a fuckslut |
| 11:38.09 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | fuck slut |
| 11:38.10 | Cisco3560-48PS-S | slut fuck |
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| 11:38.20 | b6s3d | get real noob |
| 11:38.35 | qmr | o_O |
| 11:39.34 | axgb | I am trying to install GNU Icecat, and what I have downloaded from the GNU website is a folder of files, one of which I can click to open GNU Icecat. How do I like properly install it such that I can get it from the application menu? |
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| 11:40.08 | abrotman | Cisco3560-48PS-S: not appropriate, go play elsewhere |
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| 11:45.58 | kevin-leptons | Ghostbird: sorry, i just have diner. you can read about 'examining the symbol table' of gdb. then you idea for your problems |
| 11:46.24 | kevin-leptons | Ghostbird: then you get idea for you problems |
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| 12:05.55 | Ghostbird | kevin-leptons: Seems like the solution is to install: git clone --branch gdb-7.7-branch git://sourceware.org/git/binutils-gdb.git to match binutils and gdb version. |
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| 12:07.06 | Elirips | hello. can someone recommend me an easy to use irc-client that has no need for X and is available as .deb in jessie? |
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| 12:07.49 | kevin-leptons | Elirips: you can try weechat package |
| 12:08.16 | Elirips | kevin-leptons: does it support irc via ssl? |
| 12:09.29 | kevin-leptons | Elirips: it have, you can read document for more information |
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| 12:10.05 | kevin-leptons | Ghostbird: did it solve your problem ?. because i not see your question from begining |
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| 12:10.27 | Ghostbird | kevin-leptons: Still cloning it. It's a big repo. |
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| 12:11.37 | kevin-leptons | Ghostbird: try download as zipfile, that can fast than a bit |
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| 12:12.56 | c855 | i am trying to install jessie on a toshiba satellite c855 laptop. it had windows 8 which i completely erased. i repartitioned the hard disk manually. i ended up with 3 partitions: 15GB / 12GB swap and 971GB /home but after selecting "Finish partitioning and write changes to disk" i got the message "No EFI partition was found. Go back to the menu and resume partitioning". What shall i do now? |
| 12:13.15 | c855 | btw, jessie will be the only os on my laptop |
| 12:14.20 | VLetrmx | Hi |
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| 12:15.05 | VLetrmx | Are there any debian packaging howtos that deal specifically with generating multiple packages from a single source? i.e. foolib and foolib-dev packages |
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| 12:18.53 | babilen | c855: You have to create EFI partitions and all that. My recommendation would be to use "Guided" partitioning and just customise that. Also: Why such a small / ? You might want to consider keeping it all in one partition on a laptop. |
| 12:19.28 | babilen | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_system_partition |
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| 12:20.08 | Ghostbird | c855: I'd definitely increase the root partition, since it'll be where all your software is installed. 15 GB is very small nowadays. |
| 12:20.51 | c855 | is 15GB for / too small? why? i have a 971GB /home |
| 12:20.58 | babilen | It definitely is |
| 12:21.04 | Ghostbird | But all your software installs in / |
| 12:21.14 | babilen | c855: You could merge / and /home on a laptop |
| 12:21.22 | Ghostbird | So if you've got more than 15GB OS + /, you cannot do anything anymore. |
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| 12:21.32 | Ghostbird | And still I do NOT recommend merging / and /home |
| 12:21.45 | c855 | i pefer ti have a separate /home partition |
| 12:21.46 | babilen | Virtual machines, databases and a bunch of other things needs storage outside of /home too |
| 12:21.52 | Ghostbird | My set-up would be a 100GB / and 900 GB /home |
| 12:22.10 | babilen | It's okay to keep them separate, but definitely give / more space |
| 12:22.13 | Ghostbird | babilen: Virtualbox natively stores VMs in /home. |
| 12:22.14 | c855 | i am not going to run vm |
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| 12:22.26 | babilen | Ghostbird: But why would you use vbox on Linux? ;) |
| 12:22.43 | Ghostbird | babilen: What's a good alternative? |
| 12:22.45 | babilen | But I was also thinking of that as the sole exception |
| 12:22.54 | babilen | Ghostbird: virt-manager/virsh with kvm |
| 12:23.04 | Ghostbird | babilen: Interesting. I'll look into it. |
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| 12:24.22 | Ghostbird | c855: Back on topic, I'd suggest a 100GB root. You won't quickly miss the 100GB that you lose on /home, but with 15GB root, you'll quickly be forced to reinstall or do crazy partition resizes on the system. |
| 12:25.03 | c855 | i am not going to run vm/databases on my laptop. do i really need a 100gb / ? |
| 12:25.12 | Ghostbird | Though if you know that you're not going to install a lot of software, you can probably make do with a 50GB root. |
| 12:25.32 | babilen | Point being: 15G will be *very* painful soon |
| 12:25.33 | Ghostbird | The question is. What are you going to do with /home that you so desperately want to maximise it? |
| 12:26.09 | Ghostbird | Currently on my system (I'm not running VMs from the root or anything like that) I use 42GB for root. |
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| 12:26.57 | Ghostbird | But I also offload some specific tasks to my servers, so without those, I'd probably use a little more. |
| 12:27.25 | c855 | 50gb / is actually too much? i never use more than 7gb of it after all the software i need has been installed. so why woul i need a 50 gb / ? |
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| 12:28.06 | c855 | 50gb / is actually too much! i never use more than 7gb of it after all the software i need has been installed. so why woul i need a 50 gb / ? |
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| 12:30.01 | Ghostbird | Ah, you'll probably be fine with less than 50 GB. Just don't forget to run: |
| 12:30.01 | Ghostbird | # apt-get clean |
| 12:30.01 | Ghostbird | regularly. I just realised I hadn't for a year, and my apt-cache was taking up about 20 GB. |
| 12:30.19 | Ghostbird | Now my root is 23 GB of stuff I actually use. |
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| 12:30.59 | c855 | i run apt-get clean every week |
| 12:31.09 | Ghostbird | But anyway, make sure you make it big enough. Not having enough space basically means your system is dead, and you'll need to do dangerous things to fix it. And I ask you again, why are you so desperate to maximise /home? |
| 12:31.40 | Ghostbird | Having 50GB less on a 1TB home is not a big deal. Being 1 GB short on the root is a BIG deal. |
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| 12:34.17 | c855 | it is not so much a question of maximising /home but not wasting GBs on / . anyway, i will repartition and create a 50 gb / but how can i solve the main issue, the one i mentioned first? |
| 12:35.25 | c855 | i am trying to install jessie on a toshiba satellite c855 laptop. it had windows 8 which i completely erased. i repartitioned the hard disk manually. i ended up with 3 partitions: 50GB / 12GB swap and 926GB /home but after selecting "Finish partitioning and write changes to disk" i got the message "No EFI partition was found. Go back to the menu and resume partitioning". What shall i do now? |
| 12:36.09 | babilen | c855: You have to create suitable EFI system partitions. As I said earlier: One easy way is to customise a "Guided" partitioning setup. |
| 12:36.23 | Ghostbird | https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI#debian-installer_support |
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| 12:36.38 | Ghostbird | I think if you use the guided partitioning, it'll automatically set it up correctly. |
| 12:36.50 | babilen | It will .. hence the suggestion to customise that setup |
| 12:36.51 | Ghostbird | Then adapt it at need afterwards, before you write changes. |
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| 12:36.58 | Ghostbird | Ninja's |
| 12:37.11 | babilen | Ninja's? |
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| 12:55.34 | c855 | babilen, i chose guided partitioning, customised and the following partitions were created: 536MB ESP, 47GB /, 16GB swap and 936GB /home. one thing i noticed is that i have 1MB free space at the begiining of the disk and 728kb at the end. is that ok? |
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| 12:58.52 | VLetrmx | Seriously how the hell do you get debhelper to override PREFIX |
| 12:58.56 | babilen | c855: Should be fine, yeah |
| 12:59.01 | VLetrmx | I just want to set PREFIX=/usr |
| 12:59.10 | babilen | VLetrmx: → # |
| 12:59.19 | babilen | VLetrmx: → #debian-mentors (irc.debian.net / irc.oftc.net) |
| 12:59.24 | VLetrmx | Okay cheers |
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| 13:13.49 | c855 | babilen, thanks |
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| 13:21.15 | JohnDoe_71Rus | hi. i have armbian, think is not important. can't localize interface(appmenu, menu). use lxde |
| 13:21.42 | JohnDoe_71Rus | debian jessie |
| 13:22.11 | lime_ | I want to run a popcorn server (popularity-contest) to receive results of packages installed, is this package available? |
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| 13:39.06 | notjelly | !qotd0 |
| 13:39.06 | dpkg | <alfred> how do i set my date and time from an nntp server? <greycat> hahaha |
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| 13:44.19 | notjelly | it's #raspbian |
| 13:44.20 | rudar | i didn't get it |
| 13:44.35 | telecode101 | thanks |
| 13:44.36 | telecode101 | :-) |
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| 13:45.09 | Filystyn | HELLO |
| 13:45.20 | telecode101 | wonder if someone can config a debian & apache config question |
| 13:45.22 | slartie | From the other side? |
| 13:45.26 | joze | Heaveno |
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| 13:45.35 | telecode101 | for this fix https://httpoxy.org/#fix-now |
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| 13:45.41 | Filystyn | Problem : why does debian part UTF-8 to locales |
| 13:45.45 | Filystyn | ANYONE!? |
| 13:45.46 | telecode101 | do we place it in apache2.conf of security.conf? |
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| 13:45.59 | telecode101 | do we place it in apache2.conf "or" security.conf? |
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| 13:46.43 | petn-randall | Filystyn: Can you rephrase your question? |
| 13:47.02 | teraflops | Filystyn: caps mean shouting, also what does part UTF-8 to locales mean? |
| 13:47.08 | telecode101 | I am implementing this fix able. |
| 13:47.19 | Filystyn | My debian has |
| 13:47.28 | Filystyn | piotr@deb:~$ locale -a |
| 13:47.30 | Filystyn | C |
| 13:47.31 | Filystyn | C.UTF-8 |
| 13:47.32 | Filystyn | pl_PL.utf8 |
| 13:47.34 | Filystyn | POSIX |
| 13:47.35 | telecode101 | do i place the text in securty.conf or apache2.conf for it to be applied gllobally to all sites |
| 13:47.47 | Filystyn | the C.UTF-8 handles i belive alll utf-8 existing multibytes |
| 13:47.54 | Filystyn | when the pl only polish ones |
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| 13:48.09 | petn-randall | Filystyn: That's not how UTF-8 works. |
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| 13:49.27 | Filystyn | that is not answer to my question |
| 13:49.30 | Filystyn | petn-randall |
| 13:49.54 | petn-randall | Filystyn: Can you ask your question again then? |
| 13:50.42 | petn-randall | Filystyn: I didn't understand your question the first time. |
| 13:51.00 | petn-randall | Filystyn: It also helps to explain what you expect and what you got instead. |
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| 13:51.53 | Filystyn | if i set locale pl_PL.utf8 and it is a polish locale i can detect it with mbrlen (check its sze). BUT if it's not polish i would need to use the proper language.utf8 or C.UTF-8 that seem to contain all utf-8 specifiic multibyte char sets |
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| 13:52.15 | Filystyn | the question is WHY not just use always C.UTF-8 in all system WHY part them to language locales |
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| 13:52.37 | Filystyn | i mean polish multibytechar vde "ó" |
| 13:52.41 | chaddy | Filystyn: /j #debian-pl, perhaps? |
| 13:52.46 | Filystyn | NO |
| 13:53.10 | Filystyn | it' problem of linux more than debian or specialy polish debian |
| 13:53.15 | Filystyn | chaddy you have same problem |
| 13:53.21 | Filystyn | you just hhave no idea it exist |
| 13:53.37 | chaddy | Filystyn: are some characters not being displayed properly? |
| 13:53.37 | petn-randall | Filystyn: The locale gives any running programs hints in what language to display any messages, measurement units, paper sizes, etc. The encoding is only a part of it. |
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| 13:53.56 | Filystyn | wrong |
| 13:54.01 | Filystyn | look at this example |
| 13:54.26 | Filystyn | one working https://ideone.com/I1ct0W |
| 13:54.54 | Filystyn | nt working https://ideone.com/AOYXpt |
| 13:54.57 | Filystyn | not* |
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| 13:55.05 | Filystyn | because it has no pl one |
| 13:55.15 | Filystyn | why do i need to have the languag eone |
| 13:55.24 | Filystyn | why not just force all to use the C.utf8 |
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| 13:55.35 | Filystyn | C.UTF-8 |
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| 13:55.46 | Filystyn | why make partial locale utf-8 |
| 13:56.27 | kevin-leptons | chaos in here =]] |
| 13:57.09 | Filystyn | ANSWER ME!!!! |
| 13:57.41 | petn-randall | Filystyn: If you carry on yelling, I will refuse to help you. |
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| 14:00.40 | Filystyn | waiting... |
| 14:00.42 | chaddy | Filystyn: you're not making as much sense as you think you are, which was why I suggested #debian-pl |
| 14:00.57 | petn-randall | Filystyn: Sorry, but I still don't understand your issue. Your working example threw some errors to STDERR. What is the grand goal you want to achieve? |
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| 14:01.11 | Filystyn | if ou do not know how to answer the qustion you should not enter the conversation friends |
| 14:01.29 | Filystyn | and i was very precise what the problem was |
| 14:01.32 | lapyo | is this the right channel for asking help for USB-stick installation problems |
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| 14:03.31 | petn-randall | Filystyn: Your only question was "WHY not just use always C.UTF-8 in all system WHY part them to language locales". If I understand that question correctly, I already gave you an answer. But I think there's also a language barrier here. |
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| 14:03.53 | Filystyn | there is no barrier |
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| 14:04.08 | lapyo | nvm |
| 14:04.09 | Filystyn | there could be separate locale for it |
| 14:04.18 | petn-randall | Filystyn: What is "it"? |
| 14:04.23 | Filystyn | the language |
| 14:04.43 | petn-randall | Filystyn: With language barrier I mean your english is difficult to understand. |
| 14:05.11 | Filystyn | The language it self could be in locale |
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| 14:05.22 | Filystyn | the tf-8 cold stay not language related |
| 14:05.34 | teraflops | Filystyn: theres nothing wrong in https://ideone.com/I1ct0W except your understanding |
| 14:05.48 | Filystyn | this one is proper |
| 14:05.53 | Filystyn | the wrong one was teh second |
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| 14:06.40 | Filystyn | i belive you were the one that got stuck on *understanding* |
| 14:07.08 | petn-randall | Filystyn: LC_ALL overrides every other locale environment variable, see 'man 7 locale' for details. |
| 14:07.08 | Filystyn | the wrost thing is that the question here is realy smple |
| 14:07.24 | petn-randall | Filystyn: Yet nobody understood your question yet. |
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| 14:07.57 | Filystyn | because his is how they made it they MERGED the utf-8 into locales |
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| 14:08.03 | Filystyn | and my question is WHY |
| 14:08.25 | Filystyn | why not leave locales wiithout connecting them to utf-8 |
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| 14:08.52 | Filystyn | could be setlocale(LC_ALL, "pl_PL"); |
| 14:09.03 | Filystyn | instead they force you to use only polish locales. |
| 14:09.10 | teraflops | C locale is a special locale that is meant to be the simplest locale. not meant to print your localized messages, the language is usually US English (it's at the discretion of the application author) and things like currency symbols are not defined |
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| 14:09.42 | ashka | hi, can I do something so that systemd waits for all the dhcp interfaces to be up before starting some services with using etc/network/interfaces and without adding some hack into systemd ? |
| 14:09.50 | Filystyn | teraflops than WHY |
| 14:09.58 | teraflops | stop using caps |
| 14:10.03 | Filystyn | why does it return ERROR on not polish locale |
| 14:10.05 | Filystyn | INSTEAD |
| 14:10.06 | teraflops | Filystyn: why? I already told you |
| 14:10.13 | teraflops | ok im going to ignore you |
| 14:10.16 | Filystyn | of simply treat it as bytes that are not locale |
| 14:10.19 | petn-randall | Filystyn: Because the encoding is an important part of displaying localized messages? |
| 14:10.21 | Filystyn | oh fuck of noob |
| 14:10.26 | petn-randall | !ops Filystyn |
| 14:10.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: Filystyn |
| 14:10.32 | petn-randall | Filystyn: Goodbye |
| 14:10.46 | Filystyn | you could not help teraflops |
| 14:10.53 | Filystyn | no sorry here |
| 14:11.21 | Filystyn | *can't understand question after told bazilion times, will continue to compain he doe snot understand* |
| 14:11.21 | teraflops | I already told you why, but youre being a dick, so good luck |
| 14:11.36 | Filystyn | It should not return error |
| 14:11.48 | Filystyn | just treat as some bytes |
| 14:12.06 | Filystyn | i can't belive mistake lik that exists |
| 14:12.09 | petn-randall | *plonk* |
| 14:12.29 | chaddy | more likely wodka than wine, I think |
| 14:14.01 | Filystyn | I am done wih you people i wil go to glibc since it's more of their problem not debian. |
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| 14:16.06 | Flippylosaurus | oh |
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| 14:19.13 | kal | hi, una orden en terminal que me permita cerrar una aplicacion en una hora determinada como shutdown |
| 14:19.26 | petn-randall | !es |
| 14:19.27 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃÂnea de chat. |
| 14:19.47 | missmbob | i think that's pt, no? |
| 14:20.57 | miesco | How is vsftpd very secure if ssl isn't enabled by default? So all passwords by default are sent unencrypted? |
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| 14:21.41 | troysankey | i'm reading the wiki article for unattended upgrades and i'm not sure what the difference is between 20auto-upgrades and 02periodic |
| 14:21.44 | troysankey | https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 14:21.54 | missmbob | !ftpmustdie |
| 14:21.54 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 14:22.06 | missmbob | miesco: it's not. you have to make it secure. yes, default is unencrypted |
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| 14:22.54 | miesco | missmbob: Yea but with http, you can't download multiple directories at once, correct? |
| 14:23.35 | missmbob | miesco: you could write a quick php script for it if you wanted to |
| 14:23.46 | missmbob | miesco: i'm sure there are many you could google |
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| 14:29.15 | miesco | missmbob: Really? How would that work? |
| 14:29.40 | miesco | missmbob: I thought the browser clients can only download a single file |
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| 14:30.07 | missmbob | miesco: the server side creates a tar or zip of the directories and feeds that to the client |
| 14:30.25 | missmbob | miesco: google php file manager or http file manager and you'll see a bunch |
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| 14:34.23 | miesco | missmbob: I suppose 'owncloud' would be one? |
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| 14:36.34 | missmbob | miesco: sure |
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| 14:42.31 | teraflops | miesco: I can understand that you have to use ftp on the client side if youre forced to do so, but installing ftp server on your own initiative … there are better alternatives |
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| 14:43.35 | greycat | Oh? What are the alternatives to solve the "my client is fucking 600 years old and wants to use FTP and he is very rich and powerful and so I have to obey or be flayed" than to install an FTP server? |
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| 14:45.08 | miesco | Is there a way to view a file in a package? |
| 14:45.10 | teraflops | greycat: I include that one in being forced to do so then |
| 14:45.31 | greycat | Oh, your alternatives were for the client, not for the server. |
| 14:45.42 | teraflops | were for the server |
| 14:45.59 | greycat | miesco: is the package currently installed? If so, it's trivial. |
| 14:46.09 | miesco | I have aptitude, but I deleted one of the files that is part of a package that was installed on my computer. How do I view the original file in the package? |
| 14:46.24 | greycat | And you don't simply wish to INSTALL the missing file? |
| 14:46.34 | miesco | greycat: No because I replaced it |
| 14:46.43 | miesco | its /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 14:46.50 | miesco | I used my old config |
| 14:47.24 | greycat | Then you use an ar command to pull the data.tar.gz file out of the .deb and you filter that through a tar/gzip command to pull the file-by-name out of the compressed tar archive. |
| 14:47.53 | greycat | or, alternatively, you extract the whole bloody thing into a subdirectory of /tmp and then you cat the file. |
| 14:47.54 | jelly-home | miesco: does dpkg -L package-name list the etc/vsftpd.conf path at all? Sometimes config file are not actually part of a package. |
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| 14:48.16 | greycat | or, alternatively, you look at the /etc/vsftpd.conf.dpkg* file that got left behind |
| 14:48.21 | jelly-home | sometimes they're generated from a template at installation time in the install scripts |
| 14:48.22 | greycat | sometimes that happens |
| 14:48.33 | miesco | jelly-home: Yea it does |
| 14:48.44 | miesco | greycat: Not there |
| 14:48.50 | jelly-home | right, you can look at the package contents then. |
| 14:48.54 | greycat | OK, first two alternatives then. |
| 14:49.06 | miesco | jelly-home: How? |
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| 14:49.35 | jelly-home | miesco: apt-get download vsftpd (or whatever the package name), dpkg-deb --unpack blah.deb sometempdir/, less sometempdir/etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 14:49.55 | jelly-home | none of that has to be done as root |
| 14:49.56 | miesco | I found it /var/cache/apt/archives/vsftpd_3.0.2-17+deb8u1_amd64.deb |
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| 14:50.17 | miesco | jelly-home: Ah I use root for everything |
| 14:50.23 | greycat | Not wise. |
| 14:50.24 | miesco | jelly-home: Well not everything |
| 14:50.30 | miesco | greycat: why? |
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| 14:50.46 | greycat | Because you might screw up. |
| 14:51.00 | jelly | argualy he did screw up already :-) |
| 14:51.00 | greycat | Screwing up as root has much more potentially dire consequences than screwing up as yourself. |
| 14:51.00 | miesco | greycat: I could also screw up using sudo |
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| 14:51.12 | greycat | USING SUDO *IS* BEING ROOT, DUMB ASS |
| 14:51.12 | jelly | sudo is just a way to be root |
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| 14:51.32 | miesco | well I only use root for root things |
| 14:51.39 | greycat | 10:50 miesco> jelly-home: Ah I use root for everything |
| 14:51.41 | greycat | 10:51 miesco> well I only use root for root things |
| 14:51.48 | miesco | 10:50am miesco | jelly-home: Well not everything |
| 14:51.54 | jelly | miesco, and I'm explaining you don't need root to dpkg-deb --unpack |
| 14:52.06 | miesco | I meant everything superuser related |
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| 14:52.11 | greycat | nor do you need root to do the ar|tar thing. |
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| 14:52.37 | miesco | greycat: Fine, I was already comfortable in my root bash terminal but i'll switch to my user one and look at the .deb |
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| 14:53.12 | miesco | err actually I just noticed im ssh'd in |
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| 14:53.27 | miesco | I'll create a tmux session then and use the user |
| 14:53.56 | jelly | it was just a side note. We don't really care if you needlessly use root for all the things. |
| 14:54.11 | jelly | it's just not the safest possible practice |
| 14:54.41 | miesco | ah crap now I got a tmux session in a tmux session... |
| 14:54.46 | miesco | I should of just used root |
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| 14:57.39 | ashka | why is wheezy->jessie broken if there are services depending on a dhcp interface? |
| 14:58.15 | teraflops | ashka: custom services you created? |
| 14:58.20 | ashka | teraflops: sshd |
| 14:58.29 | greycat | I don't understand what you're asking. |
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| 14:59.01 | jelly | ashka: probably because noone reported it as a bug |
| 14:59.01 | teraflops | ah, no idea I did not notice such breackage doing dist-upgrade |
| 14:59.14 | ashka | if there's a dhcp interface in etc/network/interfaces before upgrade and if a service binds a socket to this interface then systemd starts the service before the interface got its address |
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| 15:00.04 | miesco | jelly: Did you mean dpkg-deb --extract? |
| 15:00.06 | dka | I am trying to understand why the file owned by meBackup:meBackup can't get copied over ssh with RSA authentication. I keep getting prompt the password |
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| 15:00.27 | jelly | miesco, yes, sorry |
| 15:00.28 | greycat | dka: well, it's got nothing at all to do with the file. |
| 15:00.48 | greycat | dka: test with "ssh me@host date" or something similar |
| 15:01.52 | ashka | the way to fix it seems to be migrating the network/interfaces to systemd-networkd but the jessie release notes do not mention networking at all |
| 15:01.54 | jelly | ashka: in theory, an ifup action isn't supposed to succeed before the iface is configured. |
| 15:02.39 | ashka | jelly: network.target seems to be reached before dhclient is done |
| 15:03.11 | jelly | ashka, can you pastebin your interfaces file? |
| 15:03.15 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:03.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 15:03.36 | dka | greycat, "sudo -u me-backup ssh me-backup@mesites.sytes.net -p10022 -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -i /backup/.ssh/id_rsa date" return me a prompt for password |
| 15:03.47 | dka | user exist on both host with the same uid/guid |
| 15:03.59 | greycat | Right, so it's got nothing to do with the ownership of some file you were trying to cat on the server. |
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| 15:04.33 | jelly | dka, are authorized_keys configured with the right pubkey for the right user on the remote system? |
| 15:04.34 | greycat | Are the permissions right on the /backup/.ssh/id_rsa file and on the /backup directory? |
| 15:05.03 | greycat | (and on /backup/.ssh ) |
| 15:05.07 | jelly | dka, in other words, did key-based auth _ever_ work? |
| 15:05.44 | dka | sender has private key with perms 600 and ownership of me-backup:me-backup && receiver has public key in /backup/.ssh/authorized_keys, this file has perms 655 and ownership me-backup:me-backup. |
| 15:06.06 | dka | jelly, key's are good, I don't mind regenerate the keys if you doubt of it :] |
| 15:06.10 | greycat | You did not check the permissions of /backup and /backup.ssh then? |
| 15:06.16 | greycat | GAH |
| 15:06.19 | miesco | Is ftp server insecure if you only enable anonymous? |
| 15:06.19 | greycat | You did not check the permissions of /backup and /backup/.ssh then? |
| 15:06.32 | greycat | miesco: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
| 15:06.33 | ashka | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/783927/ ssh is binding on eth1's address of course. I'm realising this might be because of the allow-hotplug but I'm not sure |
| 15:07.05 | greycat | How is ssh binding on the unknown IP address of eth1? |
| 15:08.13 | dka | greycat, perms on sender "/backup/.ssh" are "770" and ownership "me-backup:me-backup", perms on receiver "/backup/.ssh" are "770" with ownership "me-backup:me-backup" |
| 15:08.14 | ashka | greycat: the dhcp for it will give me the same address reliably so I've put it in the sshd_config |
| 15:08.41 | greycat | dka: the group writability is a problem. It will disqualify the key. |
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| 15:10.07 | miesco | greycat: Okay your rant is missing a replacement |
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| 15:10.26 | ashka | greycat: I get some routes from the dhcp, which is why I do not use static for it, if you're wondering |
| 15:10.26 | dka | greycat, group writability on folder or file ? |
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| 15:10.40 | greycat | dka: ALL OF THE ABOVE |
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| 15:10.50 | greycat | dka: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/SshKeys |
| 15:11.02 | dka | greycat, tty |
| 15:11.05 | jelly | ashka: if you're getting an arbitrary address via dhcp, sensible configs for ssh service would either be "listen on every iface" or "make bloody well sure dhcp always assigns the same IP" |
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| 15:11.18 | miesco | greycat: What do you use to replace ftp (for public access)? |
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| 15:11.40 | greycat | miesco: I have a web server, as you may have noticed by the two URLs I've passed out recently... |
| 15:11.40 | jelly | ashka: so it's an unusual setup, I'm not surprised you managed to find a corner case |
| 15:12.02 | ashka | jelly: it assigns the IP properly though, but still starts too early. I have to upgrade several machines I'll do various tests |
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| 15:12.29 | jelly | ashka: in your case, I think you _don't_ want to use "allow-hotplug". You want "auto". |
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| 15:13.07 | jelly | hotplug implies an iface can go up at any time, and your ssh service is not configured to handle that. |
| 15:13.13 | miesco | greycat: I mean if I have the all 9 seasons of the simpsons and I want someone to be able to download any season |
| 15:13.30 | greycat | Then you could put them on your web server. |
| 15:13.42 | jelly | ashka: s/allow-hotplug/auto/g, reboot, see if it makes things different |
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| 15:15.52 | jelly | ,v ifupdown2 |
| 15:15.53 | judd | Package: ifupdown2 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.0~git20160525-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.0~git20160525-1; stretch: 1.0~git20160525-1 |
| 15:16.01 | miesco | greycat: But how would someone download the whole directory? |
| 15:16.06 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 15:16.24 | greycat | miesco: So your goal is to offer an interface by which end users can retrieve EITHER a single file OR an entire directory in a single transaction? |
| 15:16.25 | jelly | miesco, wget. |
| 15:16.42 | miesco | greycat: yes |
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| 15:16.59 | miesco | jelly: too advanced for friends |
| 15:17.02 | greycat | I dunno. There's probably some application for that. I've never WANTED to know. |
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| 15:17.21 | jelly | miesco, they can use whatever downloader they want. |
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| 15:17.33 | greycat | I'm absolutely certain that your un-advanced friends wouldn't know how to drive "get dirname.tar.gz" in an FTP client either, so that's out. |
| 15:17.47 | croddy | having to click 26 times should be a good way to motivate people to learn two things about computers |
| 15:17.51 | jelly | there's dozens of tools to slurp up a web site or a directory from a browser |
| 15:18.00 | missmbob | miesco: pretty sure i've already covered this with you. there are http file managers. of course use it in https only |
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| 15:18.31 | jelly | miesco, webdav can be mounted as a filesystem in windows. |
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| 15:19.00 | miesco | jelly: Like I need to give a url |
| 15:19.15 | croddy | i've supported webdav as a windows mount for this sort of crowd. results were... mixed |
| 15:19.53 | Danne- | Hi! anyone here that rocks on mdadm? I have a problem with a exisisting array. mdadm has set 2 of my drives ad removed (RAID 6) and i cannot add them to the array again, anyone has sugestions? |
| 15:19.57 | missmbob | owncloud gives you a "share with" link |
| 15:20.24 | jelly | Danne-: ask in #linux-raid |
| 15:20.28 | Danne- | ok! |
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| 15:22.28 | miesco | Is this normal? https://gist.github.com/b192a2bff61fca93d7849aaf5d480548 |
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| 15:24.22 | jelly | miesco, probably. |
| 15:24.43 | greycat | One thing I can say: only one of them can bind to the FTP connection port. |
| 15:25.35 | miesco | jelly: I have a weird file called Photo.scr in my ftp's upload/ dir. Do you think its malicious? |
| 15:25.50 | miesco | jelly: mediainfo says its an executable |
| 15:25.57 | greycat | You. Had. An upload. Directory. |
| 15:25.58 | greycat | *facepalm* |
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| 15:26.35 | han-solo | miesco: it's malicious |
| 15:26.36 | greycat | Do you know what happens when you run an FTP server that has a writable upload directory? With anonymous users allowed? |
| 15:26.38 | han-solo | i think, |
| 15:26.47 | han-solo | also .pif |
| 15:26.49 | Kobaz | anyone know some |
| 15:27.17 | greycat | You get free copyright-infringing MP3 files, and warez, and ... well, last time I did it was many years ago, so nowadays you'd probably get movies.... |
| 15:27.25 | han-solo | know some public uploadable ftp severs? |
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| 15:27.30 | han-solo | s/severs/servers |
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| 15:27.49 | Kobaz | whoops |
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| 15:28.08 | Kobaz | anyone know some repos that still have squeeze debs? |
| 15:28.19 | greycat | !squeeze sources.list |
| 15:28.19 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 15:28.39 | miesco | greycat: So I get free stuff... |
| 15:28.47 | Kobaz | all the files are 404 |
| 15:28.54 | greycat | Free stuff which may or may not be in violation of your local laws. Yes. |
| 15:28.54 | Kobaz | oooh |
| 15:28.57 | Kobaz | archive.. |
| 15:31.13 | miesco | greycat: Man I am serving so much copyright infrining stuff on my ftp server already |
| 15:31.21 | miesco | greycat: Like thats the whole point |
| 15:31.40 | miesco | greycat: And the upload/ dir is not public readable, so no one can see all the mp3 files people give me |
| 15:31.44 | greycat | But it's stuff you chose. Rather than stuff chosen by your unknowable user base. |
| 15:31.59 | miesco | greycat: Still, its world unreadable. No one knows. |
| 15:32.01 | jelly | miesco, don't tell us that. Freenode does not condone or allow illegal behaviour. |
| 15:32.16 | miesco | jelly: Okay my bad |
| 15:32.21 | jelly | pretends he didn't read anything *lalala* |
| 15:32.28 | ashka | jelly: auto seems to work alright, thanks |
| 15:32.36 | greycat | miesco: Alice can still use you as a mule to transfer a file to Bob. She uploads to you, tells Bob the exact filename, and Bob downloads it from your upload directory. |
| 15:33.12 | han-solo | miesco: server address? |
| 15:33.31 | greycat | Still, if you really do want to operate in this legally dark grey area, then maybe FTP is appropriate. |
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| 15:35.38 | miesco | greycat: Why is that? |
| 15:35.54 | jelly | !slap han-solo |
| 15:35.54 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across han-solo's face |
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| 15:36.21 | miesco | Well he is a smuggler |
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| 15:38.22 | han-solo | whaaat? |
| 15:38.40 | han-solo | i was just looking to see, if i can break it somehow |
| 15:38.56 | han-solo | i mean the "world unreadable directory" :) |
| 15:39.23 | missmbob | so many people want to get banned today |
| 15:39.40 | jelly | banned, frowned upon, same diff |
| 15:39.40 | greycat | The uploader simply tells his intended downloaders the exact filenames. Then they can be downloaded from the "unreadable" directory. |
| 15:40.09 | Kobaz | what about a post-upload script that does a chmod o-r |
| 15:40.11 | han-solo | will turn out i couldn't, anyway |
| 15:40.16 | Kobaz | now the server is upload-only |
| 15:40.40 | greycat | So what is the point of having the upload directory at alL? |
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| 15:41.34 | miesco | greycat: For people to give me files |
| 15:42.02 | han-solo | what files? |
| 15:42.03 | greycat | OK. All the warnings have been given. |
| 15:42.10 | greycat | You're on your own here. |
| 15:42.24 | han-solo | the phrack ones? :) |
| 15:43.06 | han-solo | Although the phrack ones, were fun. Have you guys ever checked textfiles? |
| 15:43.27 | miesco | greycat: I have umask 077 on all uploaded files |
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| 15:44.16 | Ghostbird | miesco: But the FTP server can read them right? |
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| 15:44.51 | Kobaz | oh and you should be using sftp |
| 15:44.51 | greycat | And the FBI can read them if someone tells them you've got child porn, and they seize your computer? |
| 15:44.52 | Ghostbird | miesco: So as long as the FTP server still offers downloads by exact name, they're still accessible. |
| 15:45.24 | Kobaz | ftp needs to die a quick painless death |
| 15:45.39 | greycat | (Or substitute a government agency of your choice, if you are not within the FBI's jurisdiction.) |
| 15:46.17 | jelly | honestly, ftp with ssl may be cumbersome but is as secure as any other ssl/tls based service |
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| 15:46.51 | han-solo | forgive me, for my intriguing thoughts |
| 15:46.54 | Ghostbird | greycat: Like FBI cares about jurisdiction :) |
| 15:46.58 | Kobaz | and tends to be firewall-unfriendly |
| 15:47.06 | han-solo | what if someone, wget -r's it? |
| 15:47.09 | Kobaz | because of still using split data/control ports |
| 15:47.18 | Kobaz | use sftp and be done with it |
| 15:47.30 | han-solo | they can do that, right? |
| 15:47.45 | greycat | No. |
| 15:47.56 | greycat | Not unless they know the filenames. |
| 15:48.10 | miesco | Ghostbird: I checked and its not accessable |
| 15:48.13 | han-solo | what would happen, i never done that with ftp |
| 15:48.33 | han-solo | but wget -r is supposed to fetch recursively, no? |
| 15:48.38 | greycat | wget -r only works if it can fetch something that contains the names of the next things to fetch |
| 15:49.02 | han-solo | okay |
| 15:49.08 | miesco | unless you brute force the names |
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| 15:49.17 | Ghostbird | miesco: Well, good luck with your probably rather pointless, and potentially highly illegal endeavour. |
| 15:49.38 | miesco | turns on ssl |
| 15:50.11 | han-solo | :} |
| 15:51.07 | jelly | let's just say there's a reason there are no irc bots or ftp sites for warez any more, but private trackers |
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| 15:51.38 | miesco | Well my ftp server is off because you guys scared me (not the legal stuff, but the security stuff) |
| 15:51.52 | jelly | good :-D |
| 15:51.54 | jelly | !next |
| 15:51.55 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 15:52.06 | han-solo | you've got pron! :D |
| 15:52.08 | miesco | Oh no... it wont stop! |
| 15:52.09 | han-solo | s/pron/porn |
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| 15:52.12 | han-solo | damn! |
| 15:52.47 | miesco | ok nvm it stopped |
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| 15:54.59 | Manis | Is there a way to get an older kernel build from jessie-backports? |
| 15:55.22 | jhutchins | !archive |
| 15:55.22 | dpkg | somebody said archive was a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 15:55.22 | jelly | !snapshot |
| 15:55.30 | greycat | Not explicitly *from* jessie-backports, but you should be able to pull an older .deb file out of the pool. |
| 15:55.51 | jelly | Manis, look at snapshot.debian.org |
| 15:55.55 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 15:55.56 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 15:56.14 | greycat | Did my "/msg dpkg snapshot" really prevent it from answering in the channel? |
| 15:56.20 | jelly | apparently |
| 15:56.43 | miesco | Oh, firefox doesn't support ftps by default... |
| 15:56.53 | greycat | ftps isn't a real thing. |
| 15:57.17 | greycat | building a hack on top of FTP is about as smart as... building a hack *on top of FTP*. |
| 15:57.31 | Kobaz | ie: not very smart |
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| 15:59.01 | Manis | greycat, how do you mean not explicitly from jessie-backports? |
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| 15:59.44 | greycat | I mean that there would not be some apt-get command for it. |
| 16:00.00 | greycat | Or at least it's not *likely* |
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| 16:02.26 | jelly | <dpkg> You already asked me something 0 seconds ago. # LIES |
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| 16:06.20 | BadPractice | hi, i am trying to set up a mail server on debian 8. So far i failed miserably 3 times. Anyone knows where i can find intel, can help me? |
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| 16:07.31 | greycat | BadPractice: which mail server are you trying to set up, and what problem are you having? |
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| 16:07.42 | greycat | ("which" meaning "which software package") |
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| 16:09.41 | BadPractice | greycat: i was going for postfix/dovcot. My problem is that i dont really know how stuff is supposed to work with authentication. Most tutorials used sql. Do i need that? |
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| 16:10.26 | BadPractice | grey i tried https://www.debinux.de/2015/05/mailserver-from-scratch-debian-8/ and https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/email-with-postfix-dovecot-and-mysql |
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| 16:11.36 | BadPractice | but im not sure if it is even what i want. I am going to use the mail server all by myself. I dont need a web interface and want all emails sent to philipp@badpractice.at |
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| 16:12.48 | BadPractice | greycat: do i make sense? :( |
| 16:13.00 | greycat | If you simply want to forward ALL email to that address, just use a simple exim setup with a smarthost and a list of aliases. |
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| 16:14.09 | BadPractice | greycat: whats exim? :( something simmelar to postfix? |
| 16:14.29 | greycat | Fine, postfix then if you know postfix better or if you wish to learn postfix instead. |
| 16:14.31 | lorenzocabrini | BadPractice: it's another SMTP server |
| 16:14.50 | greycat | exim is the default in Debian and is perfect adequate for simple cases like this |
| 16:14.54 | greycat | +ly |
| 16:15.10 | greycat | But there's nothing wrong with postfix either. |
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| 16:16.15 | BadPractice | greycat: im not sure if simple cuts it. i wanna be able to choose how to communicate with other servers (like not alowing only tls) |
| 16:16.31 | BadPractice | tsl |
| 16:16.33 | BadPractice | whatever |
| 16:16.45 | greycat | You said you just wanted to forward all of the system's email to one address. |
| 16:16.58 | greycat | Why are you NOW choosing to make it super stupid complicated? |
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| 16:18.41 | BadPractice | greycat: ahm... ssl is not secure anymore? |
| 16:19.16 | greycat | What the hell, why are you WORRYING about this shit? |
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| 16:19.40 | Flippylosaurus | BadPractice: since when is ssl not secure? |
| 16:19.45 | lorenzocabrini | BadPractice: communicating with other mail servers can be much more complicated than you think these days |
| 16:20.09 | greycat | You want to forward all your mail to one address. So you tell exim "use blah blah as my smart host" and then you edit /etc/aliases and you tell it to forward root to me@gmail and fred to me@gmail and so on and then you maybe run newaliases and it's DONE. That's the WHOLE FUCKING PROCESS. |
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| 16:20.23 | Spec | ssl insecure. solution: disable it, prefer plaintext. scan results: passing |
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| 16:20.58 | Spec | i have had people literaaaalllly want to do this |
| 16:21.15 | teclo- | ssl not secure ? |
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| 16:21.20 | Spec | teclo-: pls |
| 16:21.22 | greycat | Do people ACTUALLY think that EMAIL is secure?! |
| 16:21.27 | Spec | ^ |
| 16:21.33 | BadPractice | greycat: gmail? i want to connect to my mail server with thunderbird |
| 16:21.40 | teclo- | well email is insecure by design |
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| 16:22.08 | greycat | BadPractice: GMAIL, HOTMAIL, I DON'TCAREMAIL. You gave some stupid forwarding address with .at on the end. I did not feel like scrolling back up and hunting for it to copy/paste it. So I just plugged in gmail. |
| 16:22.21 | greycat | Whatever you forward to, it's the same thing. |
| 16:22.21 | teclo- | when they created SMTP, only competent guys in universities had root on the servers |
| 16:22.42 | BadPractice | greycat: yea i could do that but thats neighter what i want nor what i asked for? |
| 16:23.16 | greycat | I give up. |
| 16:23.38 | greycat | You said you wanted all your mail to go to the whoever@whatever.at address. Now you say you don't. I don't know how to help you. |
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| 16:25.13 | BadPractice | greycat: i have a domain badpractice.at. i want all mails who go to *@badpractice.at delivered to philipp@badpractice.at. I figured that i connect to philipp@badpractice.at with imap/tls/plain password or something |
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| 16:27.02 | BadPractice | okey anyone can give me hints setting up a postfix/coldov mailserver? |
| 16:27.21 | Spec | http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html |
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| 16:28.19 | jhutchins | BadPractice: Actually, that's fairly simple to do if you read the docs. |
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| 16:28.41 | jhutchins | BadPractice: greycat thought you wanted to forward to another server. |
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| 16:31.47 | FaTony | hi, how can I open all files with specific extension in a directory and replace text inside them? |
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| 16:33.02 | lorenzocabrini | FaTony: cat *.txt | sed 's/something/else/g' |
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| 16:33.16 | lorenzocabrini | at least that's the starting point |
| 16:33.26 | lorenzocabrini | sed offers a lot |
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| 16:33.56 | lorenzocabrini | g is global so if you don't want to do global replace you can leave that out as well |
| 16:34.09 | FaTony | lorenzocabrini, thanks, will it look in subdirectories? what if I have slash inside the text I want to replace? |
| 16:34.48 | lorenzocabrini | for slashes, use backspace. For subdirectories use, **/*.txt, at least on zsh |
| 16:35.40 | lorenzocabrini | haven't used bash since i had a buggy bash on an old mandrake dist |
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| 16:36.39 | missmbob | FaTony: what he said won't work. ask the #bash guys |
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| 16:37.07 | FaTony | ok thanks |
| 16:37.19 | lorenzocabrini | missmbob: what, the **/* part? |
| 16:37.24 | yaymuffins | Hello, I have a question, I'm trying to use OpenVPN in Bridge mode, I have 2 physical interface, WAN and LAN, I also have a vlan (WAN.832) and the bridge when it's up (br0) |
| 16:37.52 | yaymuffins | Right now when I ifup the brige, 32 seconds later, I loss connectivity on LAN |
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| 16:38.18 | missmbob | lorenzocabrini: the cat part. you need a for loop with sed |
| 16:38.42 | yaymuffins | Here the br0 config in /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/raw/QTSpdCN1 |
| 16:39.00 | BadPractice | jhutchins: the documentaition is well ritten so far but im not sure if this is the right aproach. i dont know if i can get that working with caldov, if i get it configured to be state of the art secure and if i will ever finish reading this + coldov docu entirely |
| 16:39.02 | missmbob | lorenzocabrini: for what he wants, that is |
| 16:39.14 | lorenzocabrini | missmbob: i use it all the time. No need for a for loop. At least not with s/// |
| 16:39.22 | missmbob | lorenzocabrini: for what he wants |
| 16:39.33 | yaymuffins | Anyone has an idea how I could make it so LAN still work while bridge is up? |
| 16:39.45 | lorenzocabrini | i was interested in knowing if bash supports **/* because i just realized i really don't have a clue |
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| 16:41.00 | miesco | Two questions. 1) Is there php file managers that support public, anonymous downloads? 2) I realize ftp is outdated, but I do not see any _security_ issues if it is just an anonymous server serving content (with an upload dir). It may corrupt things, have too many handshakes, but I do not see anything as a security threat in this scenariou. I am correct? |
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| 16:42.16 | mutante | miesco: http apache ? |
| 16:42.19 | BadPractice | at installation postfix asks me what configuration i want. What do i want? |
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| 16:43.23 | missmbob | miesco: since this has been beaten to death for well over an hour now ...maybe #debian-offtopic? it's not a debian support issue |
| 16:43.54 | miesco | mutante: Sorry, I mean one were you can download directories as well |
| 16:44.03 | mutante | miesco: wget -r |
| 16:44.07 | teraflops | BadPractice: how the hell are we supposed to know what you want? |
| 16:44.55 | BadPractice | jhutchins: what is a smarthost? do i want "Internet with smarthost" if i use coldov? |
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| 16:45.30 | mutante | BadPractice: it's a mail relay |
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| 16:46.01 | mutante | like when another server forwards the mail for you |
| 16:46.20 | BadPractice | i guess i stick with no configuration then... |
| 16:46.28 | teraflops | yaymuffins: last time I setup openvpn in bridge mode I followed https://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/miscellaneous/76-ethernet-bridging.html and worked like a charm |
| 16:46.53 | mutante | BadPractice: eh, i guess this definition is right "A smarthost is a mail relay that is specialized to deal with outbound email. " |
| 16:47.26 | Flippylosaurus | <Flippylosaurus> i'm looking for a cheap VPS. specs are not a issue |
| 16:47.26 | Flippylosaurus | <Flippylosaurus> idfk where to look |
| 16:47.26 | Flippylosaurus | <Flippylosaurus> as most providers on lowendbox.com are just resellers |
| 16:47.26 | Flippylosaurus | <Flippylosaurus> which go bankrupt in 3 weeks or smth |
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| 16:47.49 | Flippylosaurus | wow. |
| 16:47.58 | Flippylosaurus | couldnt even copypaste a simple question |
| 16:48.08 | teraflops | Flippylosaurus: take a look at https://lowendbox.com/ |
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| 16:48.54 | Flippylosaurus | teraflops: was trying to say that but most providers there are resellers which probably go bankrupt as soon as they appear |
| 16:49.23 | mutante | Flippylosaurus: ovh.com is pretty cheap |
| 16:49.33 | teraflops | Flippylosaurus: that's why you read the threads and the user comments |
| 16:49.50 | Flippylosaurus | mutante: do they accept PayPal? |
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| 16:51.35 | mutante | Flippylosaurus: i dont know. it might depend which country you are in. they are in France. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OVH |
| 16:52.20 | Flippylosaurus | mutante: ah. dont wanna risk it |
| 16:52.23 | mutante | one of the sponsors of Letsencrypt gets a bonus point |
| 16:53.07 | mutante | what type of risk do you mean here |
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| 16:54.05 | curtis22 | Flippylosaurus, https://securedragon.net/ |
| 16:54.05 | teraflops | mutante: cisco and facebook are sponsors too is this a bonus ;P |
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| 16:55.04 | teraflops | Flippylosaurus: oh, try https://www.lowendtalk.com/ then |
| 16:55.08 | mutante | teraflops: oh.. eh.. for Cisco yes, Facebook never, j/k :) |
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| 16:55.14 | teraflops | heh |
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| 16:56.36 | yaymuffins | teraflops, when I launch their script |
| 16:56.56 | yaymuffins | I immediately get disconnected from the machine |
| 16:56.59 | teraflops | which script? |
| 16:57.08 | yaymuffins | bridge-start |
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| 16:57.13 | yaymuffins | Internet (WAN to LAN) still work |
| 16:57.21 | teraflops | ah sorry vpn |
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| 16:57.46 | yaymuffins | but the machine itself (9.1) is not accessible at all, neither from the LAN or the WAN. |
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| 16:59.04 | teraflops | yaymuffins: yeah that's fine, check the routes, the default one and and fix/add it if necessary |
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| 17:00.34 | teraflops | yaymuffins: if youre in a vps remote machine that can be a problem, unless you have a serial console available or something like that |
| 17:00.41 | teraflops | vps/remote |
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| 17:04.19 | yaymuffins | teraflops, machine is at home |
| 17:04.27 | yaymuffins | seem like it's disconnecting LAN completely |
| 17:04.59 | teraflops | yeah because I guess you have not a default route after doing the bridge-start |
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| 17:07.48 | yaymuffins | that's my route before the script |
| 17:07.50 | yaymuffins | http://pastebin.com/raw/axP57njq |
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| 17:09.00 | teraflops | and after the script? |
| 17:10.13 | teraflops | also which is the br iface there? |
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| 17:11.16 | yaymuffins | 2 sec, rebooted as it acted differently then |
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| 17:12.56 | teraflops | yaymuffins: this is mine with openvn in bridge mode http://ix.io/164I |
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| 17:13.33 | yaymuffins | and for some reason right now, it seem to work?! |
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| 17:15.33 | teraflops | for quick and dirty test try appending the default route you had to to bottom of bridge-start.sh e.g (here) route add default gw 192.168.199.1. if that works you kno you have to deal with your routes |
| 17:15.42 | teraflops | to the* |
| 17:16.19 | teraflops | I have a cat to feed im out for few minutes :P |
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| 17:19.17 | yaymuffins | LAN work, WAN seem to work too |
| 17:19.24 | yaymuffins | Bind9 died however. |
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| 17:22.17 | teraflops | yaymuffins: well that's not bad, you only have to fix bind9 then |
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| 17:25.53 | Mikerhinos | hi all, new to Debian (coming from Ubuntu). I'm installing Nvidia driver (pretty complicated compared to Ubuntu :( ), if I want to use Steam I do have to do svn-buildpackage --svn-ignore --svn-arch=i386 -us -uc -rfakeroot ? Because the doc isn't very clear if it will install only the needed files or the full 32bits driver |
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| 17:27.19 | missmbob | !steam |
| 17:27.19 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
| 17:27.27 | missmbob | yeah, no svn reference there |
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| 17:28.22 | yaymuffins | I have to leave for now, well, at least, I still have network for now x) |
| 17:28.22 | yaymuffins | and I spoke too fast |
| 17:28.54 | yaymuffins | once openvpn was started, loose all connectivity (LAN and WAN) on others machines. |
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| 17:29.36 | Mikerhinos | missmbob, So it's safe to go with the doc command ? Don't want to mess driver installation and reboot on a TTY console lol |
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| 17:30.06 | missmbob | Mikerhinos: if there's a page on wiki.debian.org on something *always* use that |
| 17:30.11 | leba2 | In general, if dual-booting with windows, is it recommended to better set windows's system clock to UTC instead of Linux to local? |
| 17:30.23 | Ghostbird | Mikerhinos: What do you mean a complicated process compared to Ubuntu? |
| 17:30.23 | Ghostbird | Enable non-free repositories, (you could've done this during installation when asked, if you knew you wanted Steam & NVIDIA) |
| 17:30.23 | Ghostbird | sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 17:30.23 | Ghostbird | sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver steam |
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| 17:30.29 | missmbob | Mikerhinos: you get in trouble on debian when you fuck around with other docs |
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| 17:31.29 | greycat | leba2: If you *can* set windows to UTC, why would you not do that? It's just so blatantly, obviously better. We had the option in the past because Windows *couldn't* do the right thing. |
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| 17:33.00 | teraflops | yaymuffins: idk about your network.. and you didn't describe it. you'll have to addapt that script to your situation obviously. |
| 17:33.02 | Mikerhinos | Ghostbird, On Ubuntu you have a "additionnal driver" window, it scans your hardware, and if you have an Nvidia graphic card, you only have to check like "install proprietary driver", and it does all automatically |
| 17:33.11 | leba2 | greycat: aaaahhh. Thanks. And yes, I read windows could not do it the right way prior to windows 7. |
| 17:33.41 | greycat | ghostbird hasn't rejoined yet |
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| 17:36.02 | ctmjr | Mikerhinos: here steam is easy on debian https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and https://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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| 17:37.58 | leba2 | Was ghostbir's really flooding? |
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| 17:40.56 | missmbob | leba2: policy is you're not supposed to do more than two lines. he did a few. /msg dpkg paste |
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| 17:41.44 | missmbob | leba2: also /msg dpkg enter |
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| 17:42.17 | Flippylosaurus | test |
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| 17:43.00 | Flippylosaurus | testing testing 123 |
| 17:43.08 | Flippylosaurus | seems that my connection is broken |
| 17:43.08 | Flippylosaurus | rip |
| 17:43.20 | missmbob | Flippylosaurus: /msg dpkg if you want to test. don't flood us |
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| 17:44.28 | Flippylosaurus | missmbob: thank you |
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| 17:56.07 | mutante | after converting an Ubuntu system to jessie, i am missing a package for chromium-browser ..hmm |
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| 17:56.46 | mtn | mutante: how did you "convert" ubuntu to debian? |
| 17:56.48 | missmbob | there is no "converting" |
| 17:56.48 | greycat | "converting" |
| 17:56.59 | missmbob | and yes, debian uses chromium, not chrome |
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| 17:57.14 | greycat | you can also get google-chrome from a google repository if you prefer |
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| 17:57.24 | mutante | i used the word converting because i reinstalled but applied the same puppet classes |
| 17:57.51 | missmbob | !tell mutante about chromium |
| 17:57.56 | mutante | thanks |
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| 17:58.33 | mutante | missmbob: ok, but it says chromium is what's missing |
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| 17:59.32 | croddy | mutante then there is probably a bug in your puppet class. i can take a quick look if you want to discuss it in #puppet |
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| 18:00.00 | mutante | croddy: it's just that "E: Package 'chromium-browser' has no installation candidate" |
| 18:00.14 | missmbob | yes. it's called chromium |
| 18:00.17 | missmbob | ,v chromium |
| 18:00.18 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 50.0.2661.94-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 51.0.2704.79-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 51.0.2704.79-1~deb8u1; sid: 51.0.2704.79-1; stretch: 51.0.2704.79-1 |
| 18:00.30 | croddy | if you are not going to read the link that dpkg messaged you then i rescind my offer |
| 18:00.33 | mutante | oh :) that was easy |
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| 18:02.45 | mutante | yes, thanks. i read the wiki page (sheehs, that was all within the same minute) |
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| 18:03.42 | mtn | heh |
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| 18:04.44 | awal1 | How to list manually installed pkgs? I know I can check apt logs, but wondering if I can make dpkg --get-selections or apt/aptitude show only manual installs |
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| 18:05.09 | greycat | awal1: dpkg -l |
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| 18:08.12 | awal1 | greycat, yeah I know about dpkg -l but the output is similar to --get-selections. My idea is make dpkg or any other system packaging tool list installed pkgs filtering them by automatically installed and manually installed |
| 18:08.42 | greycat | oh, you'd need aptitude for that probably |
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| 18:12.58 | Elvano | Hey lot. I'm currently trying to reinstalling Debian on my laptop. I wanted to encrypt my disk but as I selected an encrypted volume I accidently forgot to reserve some space for my boot partition. Is there a way, from the installer, to remove the encrypted volume? |
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| 18:15.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, if you see none and have it in front of you... |
| 18:15.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can always drop out to a shell and do stuff |
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| 18:16.50 | Elvano | I'm sorry, I didn't quite get that |
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| 18:19.20 | croddy | the partitioner in the installer has a way to discard the changes and start over. |
| 18:19.24 | missmbob | you'd probably already be done if you had just started over |
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| 18:21.38 | Elvano | That would help if it were a partition |
| 18:22.27 | Elvano | But I think I'll have to use the lvm tools from the shell for this then |
| 18:22.37 | missmbob | i'm not even going to pretend that made sense |
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| 18:25.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's interesting the installer lets you have an encrypted lvm without an unencrypted /boot |
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| 18:26.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | some guy claimed he didn't have an unencrypted /boot... I can't imagine how that would be supposed to work |
| 18:28.11 | missmbob | CutMeOwnThroat: it's possible it's a just a serious pain in the ass. http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/ |
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| 18:28.36 | missmbob | CutMeOwnThroat: and pointless imo |
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| 18:31.24 | DexterF | hi |
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| 18:33.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm. interesting |
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| 18:33.48 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: encrypted root requires that grub/initrd have the ability to decrypt. |
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| 18:33.57 | DexterF | smartctl reports for one SSD "total LBA written 1447823829" - how much is 1 LB? the drive's block size? how to tell? |
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| 18:34.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but they can |
| 18:34.23 | itaipu | sad thing this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/828031, there is a way to have qgis clean install ? |
| 18:34.25 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/828031 in qgis (forwarded, upstream): «qgis: QtWebKit not found by extensions»; severity: important; opened: 2016-06-24; last modified: 2016-06-26. |
| 18:34.28 | itaipu | in strecht ? |
| 18:34.52 | missmbob | itaipu: see /topic. stretch support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, not here. |
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| 18:35.37 | jhutchins | missmbob: We do support testing and even unstable here, there's just not as much expertise. |
| 18:35.59 | jhutchins | missmbob: Many of the people here don't run them, whereas most in D-N do. |
| 18:36.06 | missmbob | yeah, like we support bash but still point people to #bash. best place for help is useful |
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| 18:36.40 | missmbob | jhutchins: i'm not sure why you felt the need |
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| 18:37.48 | itaipu | missmbob: cannot join it. Have to have an invatation |
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| 18:38.06 | missmbob | itaipu: because you didn't read it carefully. irc.oftc.net. you're on freenode right now |
| 18:38.07 | jhutchins | itaipu: It's on oftc.net/irc.debian.net |
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| 18:38.35 | itaipu | hum... thks |
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| 18:41.47 | awal1 | About apt-mark showauto/showmanual in man apt-mark I see "All automatically installed packages will be listed if no package is given." So apt-mark showauto/showmanual works and the list is so long :P But I dont understand "if no package is given" part. |
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| 18:42.09 | greycat | Seems pretty clear. |
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| 18:42.30 | awal1 | apt-mark showauto xfce4 returns 0 output |
| 18:42.38 | greycat | because it wasn't in the list |
| 18:42.52 | greycat | now try with something that's IN the list |
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| 18:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can foresee the next 100 questions... like ... xterm is on my list |
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| 18:45.13 | greycat | Mine too, and that's the same one I tested. |
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| 18:47.13 | awal1 | greycat, I dont understand how it works. apt-mark showmanual lists mate-desktop-environment, for example, but how I can check which pkgs mate-desktop-environment have installed automatically. I only want that (example) |
| 18:47.41 | greycat | How would I know? You're the one who found apt-mark. I've never even heard of it. |
| 18:47.53 | awal1 | :D |
| 18:47.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... same here |
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| 18:48.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... that question is wrong |
| 18:48.38 | greycat | I suspect you're looking for information that *does not get stored*. Information about events in the past. |
| 18:48.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | awal1, apt-cache rdepends <package> |
| 18:49.07 | greycat | Each package that is installed *right now* is marked as either "manual" or "automatic". No hierarchy, no relation graphs.... |
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| 18:49.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, *I* think he wants to know the reason why that package is present/installed and can't be removed with autoremove |
| 18:49.50 | greycat | If A depends on B and A is currently installed and marked manual, and B is currently installed and marked automatic, you don't whether B was brought in because of A or because of Q. |
| 18:50.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | so maybe you make clearer what you want to know |
| 18:50.16 | missmbob | god i hate Q |
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| 18:51.42 | awal1 | the last greycat message is the current "problem" |
| 18:51.50 | zifxify | Little guide which I wrote how to install debian jessie (lvm on luks) from a debian-standard iso: http://pastebin.com/yCsuJ68Y maybe useful for somebody else. |
| 18:52.07 | zifxify | actually stretch |
| 18:52.16 | missmbob | ugh. |
| 18:52.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | awal1, why is that a problem |
| 18:52.37 | awal1 | CutMeOwnThroat, my questions are almost related to removals |
| 18:53.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what is it? |
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| 18:54.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can see where/why an automatically installed package was installed in the apt or aptitude and in the dpkg logs |
| 18:54.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what's the point |
| 18:54.26 | awal1 | so bcoz I usually no install recommends & suggests but when pkg C is installed by pkg B as dependencie and recommended by pkg A, if you remove pkg B, pkg C still there bcoz A recommends it :P |
| 18:55.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | and then you do an apt-get autoremove and they're all gone |
| 18:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | so? |
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| 18:55.47 | awal1 | C doesn't go bcoz in fact A recommends it |
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| 18:58.19 | awal1 | C installed by B as dependency apt wont consider it when autoremoving bcoz originally A recommends it |
| 18:58.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | not if you have disabled them permanently |
| 18:58.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I can't say I tested that |
| 18:58.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg apt-recommends |
| 18:58.38 | dpkg | Packages required in all but unusual cases (that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called "recommended" packages. By not installing these packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>. |
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| 19:09.54 | awal1 | Resuming "If A depends on B and A is currently installed and marked manual, and B is currently installed and marked automatic, you don't whether B was brought in because of A or because of Q." as greycat said is a nice deduction. thats my current problem. Anyway, thanks for your time guys. No problems here, just trying to learn & understand debian packaging system/tools... |
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| 19:14.56 | zifxify | Check out this site for customizing GUI's: https://mralphaville.wordpress.com/linux-desktops/ |
| 19:15.32 | missmbob | zifxify: why do you just keep pasting shit? |
| 19:15.48 | zifxify | missmbob: maybe useful |
| 19:15.51 | zifxify | ? |
| 19:15.55 | missmbob | zifxify: no one asked. that's spam |
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| 19:16.15 | missmbob | zifxify: if you want go to #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:21.00 | CuteMeOwnThroat | why would I get "No route to host" to my work pc at uni (traceroute showing only a response from localhost) while I can connect to another host at the same university without problems |
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| 19:22.08 | jhutchins | Isn't there a rule that UIDs above a certain value can't open lower-numberd ports (like 80)? |
| 19:22.24 | greycat | those values are 0 and 1024 |
| 19:22.28 | croddy | :) |
| 19:22.37 | greycat | unless you change things in this crazy linux-only capacity stuff |
| 19:22.58 | greycat | an equally sensible strategy is to IGNORE that and just treat linux like unix |
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| 19:30.21 | dka | I am tryin to tar all the folders from a folder by giving to the tar command the -C arguments (change working directory), however, this work if I add after a folder name but doesn't if I had "." or * at the end of the tar command. Any suggestion? |
| 19:30.32 | greycat | Don't crosspost your question to multiple channels. |
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| 19:31.15 | dka | ok :| |
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| 20:00.46 | Neon | I've run a dist-upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie on my dedicated server and everything went fine. Then I rebooted and then I couldn't connect via SSH to the server anymore. I activated a rescue console and have access to my drives now. But actually, I'm pretty lost. Can you help me troubleshooting? |
| 20:01.24 | Neon | I mean I have no idea where I should search for what. |
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| 20:02.03 | mutante | Neon: when you could not connect via ssh, what was that like? was there an error message or did it just timeout |
| 20:02.22 | Neon | mutante: Timeout. |
| 20:02.48 | Neon | So probably the SSH service didn't start properly?! |
| 20:03.18 | mutante | Neon: i would try looking at /var/log/syslog and then try to find the moment when it stopped working |
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| 20:03.56 | mutante | Neon: like you will see when it rebooted and then follow the messages from there |
| 20:04.03 | mutante | Neon: also "dmesg" |
| 20:04.04 | greycat | No, if ssh didn't *start* but everything else were normal, you would get connection refused. NOT a timeout. |
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| 20:09.24 | multilingual | i have installed jessie, lightdm and MATE on my computer and i use it in english. i will share the computer with 3 other people. Each one of them speak only their own native language (spanish, french and portuguese). i want those users to use the graphical user interface and all its applications in their respective language. How can this be done? |
| 20:09.28 | Neon | At least I cannot find any line with "error" in it in the syslog (and the right timestamp) |
| 20:09.46 | Neon | mutante: Wouldn't I need the original system up for dmesg? |
| 20:10.05 | greycat | Use dpkg-reconfigure locales to build the locales you want, and then set up accounts for each user and configure each account for the right locale. |
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| 20:11.22 | mutante | Neon: oh yea, that's right. try /var/log/boot.log maybe |
| 20:11.35 | multilingual | greycat, with dpkg-reconfigure locales i built the locales i want but how can i configure each account for the right locale? |
| 20:11.42 | jhutchins | multilingual: I'm pretty sure the greeter/login manager will be the same for all three, not sure how you do multi-language on that. |
| 20:11.43 | Elirips | hello. With ls -ls /tmp/foo I see the permissions of the content of /tmp/foo, but what if I would like to have only permissions of /tmp/foo ? If I do 'ls -lh /tmp/' I have to scroll / grep to find 'foo'. |
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| 20:11.47 | Neon | mutante: Don't have such a file. |
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| 20:12.23 | greycat | Can't you CLICK on something to configure the users' sessions? Failing that, put their LANG=whatever into whichever dot file is appropriate for whatever GUI you're using. |
| 20:13.26 | jhutchins | Neon: Neon /var/log/dmesg(.*) might exist. |
| 20:13.26 | jhutchins | !bootlog |
| 20:13.26 | dpkg | bootlogd is used to record boot messages to /var/log/boot. For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases, install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by the sysvinit-utils package; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to enable. |
| 20:13.26 | jhutchins | However, we now have systemd which does something different. |
| 20:13.49 | mutante | Neon: what kind of rescue console is this? can you use it to watch the console output while you boot the machine? |
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| 20:15.14 | Neon | mutante: I don't know. I think it's just a bootable image with a mini linux. My hoster's wiki mainly tells me to examine my drives with it. So I think I can just reboot the server to get the normal system running again. |
| 20:15.49 | Neon | Here's the link, if you'd like to have a look: https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Hetzner_Rescue-System/en |
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| 20:17.19 | Neon | I have a /var/log/dmesg. What should I look for? |
| 20:17.53 | multilingual | greycat, can you please tell me step by step what i have to do to configure each account for the right locale? |
| 20:17.54 | Neon | mutante: I could manually set up a service that monitores log output from boot on. |
| 20:18.09 | mutante | Neon: ok, yea, you cant do that then. but you could if you'd have their other product that links to. the LARA console https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/LARA/en |
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| 20:18.13 | CuteMeOwnThroat | yeah, I think that's just an image on a ramdisk or so.. faintly remember using it once |
| 20:18.32 | greycat | multilingual: No, I literally can't, because I don't use MATE. I don't know where or how you configure such a thing in MATE. |
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| 20:19.12 | mutante | Neon: maybe pastebin the dmesg log there |
| 20:20.59 | multilingual | greycat, are you more or less fluent in any of the languages i mentioned, apart from english obviously? |
| 20:21.11 | greycat | no |
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| 20:22.31 | Neon | mutante: http://pastebin.com/Afeeh68k |
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| 20:24.00 | CuteMeOwnThroat | multilingual, setting LANG in the respecive user's .profile or .bashrc doesn't do the trick? |
| 20:24.22 | multilingual | CuteMeOwnThroat, will try that out. thanks |
| 20:25.12 | CuteMeOwnThroat | I am not sure if a shell is involved early enough, though |
| 20:25.12 | mutante | Neon: the problem is at the end . eth0: link down .. well. that could be broken cable but since you said it happened after upgrade ... |
| 20:25.12 | Neon | Missing driver? :{ |
| 20:25.12 | CuteMeOwnThroat | for the whole graphical interface to switch... just look around in "settings"? |
| 20:25.45 | greycat | CuteMeOwnThroat: I would expect you'd want to use ~/.xsession or ~/.gnomerc instead of a shell file. |
| 20:26.25 | greycat | CuteMeOwnThroat: whatever the hell lightdm and/or MATE use... figuring that out is the hard part. |
| 20:26.25 | mutante | Neon: eth0: RTL8168e/8111e there you have the chipset name to start with |
| 20:26.25 | CuteMeOwnThroat | yeah, maybe. I had just hoped a shell is used to parse a script some time early on |
| 20:26.25 | mutante | Neon: unfortunately Realtek has not the best reputation |
| 20:27.08 | CuteMeOwnThroat | and I have some faint unflattering memories of .xsession and .xinitrc |
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| 20:28.52 | mutante | Neon: i think you need to install the firmware and that would fix it |
| 20:28.52 | mutante | Neon: but: firmware: agent loaded rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw into memory and then it fails.. so yea |
| 20:28.52 | greycat | continues not having installed, researched, or reverse-engineered any of MATE, Gnome3, KDE, Cinnamon, XFCE, and whatever the hell else we need to know how to configure years ago but still don't know |
| 20:28.52 | mutante | Neon: try searching the bug database for that rtl8168e maybe .. sorry. not sure what's going on there |
| 20:29.26 | mutante | Neon: or maybe send a mail to hetzner support with that log attached |
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| 20:29.59 | jil | Hi all |
| 20:30.45 | tulphoon | hi |
| 20:30.49 | jil | I just instaled debian jessie with KDE and I'm not able to use any icon theme different than default one. Can someone help me ? |
| 20:31.11 | CuteMeOwnThroat | greycat, ratpoison? |
| 20:31.50 | greycat | Don't recall seeing a lot of questions on that one.... |
| 20:32.04 | jil | all icon themes i tried to install are not present in the icon theme list |
| 20:32.29 | dka | I am trying to preserve ownership on tar uncompression. Is there any way to do so ? I have tried with "-xpzf --same-owner", I still all the files extracted for root user |
| 20:33.39 | greycat | dka: are you doing it on a Windows file system that doesn't *have* a concept of UIDs? |
| 20:33.51 | Neon | mutante: I found something, but I don't really have the knowledge to understand it. A user writes that he got around the issue by doing a PXE boot instead of a HD boot. |
| 20:33.52 | dka | I am on linux, on an EXT3 filesystem |
| 20:34.49 | mutante | Neon: i think that's different. your system already boots just wont bring up the network card |
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| 20:35.05 | Neon | mutante: His workaround is setting the boot order primarily on PXE, letting it timeout, then use the HD boot as secondary. |
| 20:35.20 | Neon | mutante: Nono, his did as well. He writes that his network didn't work after rebooting. |
| 20:35.51 | Neon | He wrote the RX counter didn't increment, only TX, leading to networking failure. |
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| 20:36.33 | Neon | But he found out that the PXE boot procedure does something that makes the network card work, he doesn't know what, though. |
| 20:36.56 | Neon | My problem is I don't know what PXE boot is nor how to set up the boot priority. |
| 20:37.04 | mutante | Neon: well, you can just try it. you have the rescue console and nothing to "lose" currently since it's down already |
| 20:37.14 | Neon | I'd need to go into BIOS for that, wouldn't I? |
| 20:37.32 | mutante | yes |
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| 20:37.57 | Neon | I can't do that remotely, can I? |
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| 20:38.26 | mutante | that's the other type of console again. that LARA console they let you upgrade to |
| 20:38.45 | mutante | there you could hit F12 and stuff like when you are sitting in front of it |
| 20:39.00 | Neon | Yeah, it's free for three hours, then they'd charge me. |
| 20:39.41 | mutante | better than nothing, didnt know |
| 20:39.47 | Neon | That gives me a weird feeling. Maybe I'll ask the support first, if it's not fixable via recue system only. |
| 20:40.14 | mutante | yep, cant hurt to tell hetzner |
| 20:40.48 | mutante | sounds like you might not be the only one |
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| 20:50.16 | SerajewelKS | is there a reason why vgdisplay doesn't display the group's allocation policy? |
| 20:50.32 | SerajewelKS | the manpage doesn't indicate any way to get the policy to display in the output |
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| 20:56.54 | Neon | mutante: In case we won't talk to each other anymore in this session: Thank you very very much for your help. Without users like you I'd be in deep shit. I've sent a mesage to the hoster now and in case they won't/can't help me I'll try the LARA thing. I'll have to find out what exactly to do, though... |
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| 20:59.23 | mutante | Neon: you're welcome. good luck. what you can also try is get to see the grub screen during boot and try booting the non-default (older) kernel |
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| 21:00.01 | mutante | Neon: or editing grub config from your current rescue console maybe, to get the same thing |
| 21:00.09 | jil | I just instaled debian jessie with KDE and I'm not able to use any icon theme different than default one. Can someone help me ? |
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| 21:05.01 | awal1 | Should I really consider 'lsat' suggestions? http://paste.debian.net/783963 |
| 21:05.42 | kboratynski | What tool would you recommend me to have system-wide report? I mean: firewall configuration, runned services, processes, listening ports... so on? |
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| 21:07.29 | jil | I just instaled debian jessie with KDE and I'm not able to use any icon theme different than default one. Can someone help me ? |
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| 21:16.44 | leba2 | http://serverfault.com/questions/777426/samba-operations-return-nt-status-invalid-sid-after-initial-setup Could this be the infamous bug Samba4 was/still is having on Debian Jessie? |
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| 21:19.43 | awal1 | jil, in kde system settings somewhere there there is a place for choose which icons you want to use |
| 21:20.10 | teraflops | kbhttp://www.brendangregg.com/Perf/linux_observability_tools.png |
| 21:20.14 | teraflops | oh |
| 21:20.53 | jil | awal1, in system settings/application appareance/icons |
| 21:21.17 | awal1 | jil, there, I think so |
| 21:21.25 | jil | I tried to download icon set from the tool but icons set i installed are not shown |
| 21:21.31 | jil | I tried lot of them |
| 21:21.33 | awal1 | I dont use kde right now |
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| 21:22.05 | awal1 | jil, you may have to relogin in your kde session |
| 21:22.10 | jil | now i try to install one of them manually |
| 21:22.40 | jil | i installed these icons set yesterday I i rebooted since |
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| 21:22.59 | awal1 | jil, oh, you are using kde system settings and download icons from kde websites? |
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| 21:24.17 | jil | I tried the system settings way to download icon set |
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| 21:24.40 | jil | but since it does seems to work, i'm trying to download and install one icon set manuelly |
| 21:24.57 | awal1 | the is a #debian-kde |
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| 21:25.06 | awal1 | you may get more help there |
| 21:25.24 | awal1 | in OFTC server ^ |
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| 21:25.56 | awal1 | there si ^:P |
| 21:25.58 | awal1 | is |
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| 21:26.45 | jil | need irc client to get there? |
| 21:27.22 | awal1 | how you are connected to freenode? |
| 21:27.29 | jil | from webui |
| 21:28.23 | missmbob | https://www.oftc.net/WebChat |
| 21:28.38 | awal1 | ^jil |
| 21:28.40 | missmbob | btw you probably just need to log out and back in |
| 21:28.55 | missmbob | but i don't use kde. *shrug* |
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| 21:29.42 | jil | thank you |
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| 21:30.35 | jil | bye |
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| 21:37.15 | jhutchins | Don't I recall that there's a certain UID above which you can't open ports below, what, 1024 or something? |
| 21:37.24 | greycat | 0 |
| 21:37.38 | greycat | root can open (listen on) ports 1-1023 |
| 21:37.39 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins: only root can, unless you grant the capability |
| 21:37.40 | greycat | nobody else can |
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| 21:38.09 | greycat | 15:22 greycat> an equally sensible strategy is to IGNORE that and just treat linux like unix |
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| 21:38.57 | jhutchins | Ok, so apache as UID 33 has no special privileges that apache as UID 10052 has. |
| 21:39.13 | jhutchins | No more special. |
| 21:39.37 | greycat | Debian uses www-data not apache. |
| 21:39.39 | jhutchins | Keeping service accounts below a certain number is just for neatness. |
| 21:39.49 | jhutchins | greycat: Right. Apache is quicker to type. |
| 21:40.31 | jhutchins | In any case, there would be no issue if the www-data user was UID 100052. |
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| 21:40.59 | jhutchins | ...assuming everything else was done correctly. |
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| 21:42.39 | Neon | mutante: Apparently a kernel upgrade should fix the error. If I'd only have known that before when I had apt-get access on the running system. :S Now I need to do it manually via the rescue system. |
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| 21:45.53 | miesco | ,v ykpersonalize |
| 21:45.54 | judd | No package named 'ykpersonalize' was found in amd64. |
| 21:46.54 | miesco | ,v yubikey-personalization |
| 21:46.55 | judd | Package: yubikey-personalization on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.2-1squeeze1; wheezy: 1.7.0-1; jessie: 1.16.0-1; stretch: 1.17.2-1+b2; sid: 1.17.2-1+b2 |
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| 21:47.24 | missmbob | miesco: you can /msg judd btw |
| 21:47.28 | miesco | Does anyone get "insuffient permissions" on a new yubikey with 'ykinfo -v'? |
| 21:47.43 | miesco | missmbob: Oh I see. I was trying to /msg dpkg |
| 21:48.29 | miesco | Oh it must be udev permissions? |
| 21:48.46 | mutante | Neon: upgrade or .. downgrade though |
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| 21:49.03 | miesco | Oh I see, run as root... |
| 21:49.12 | mutante | Neon: but good that you got a reply :) |
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| 21:52.08 | Neon | mutante: I had a look at the grub config. The menu entries have 3.16.0-4-amd64 and 3.2.0-4-amd64. I assumed the 3.16 entry came with Jessie. |
| 21:52.28 | Neon | Isn't that the current stable kernel? |
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| 21:53.18 | missmbob | stable is 3.16...unless you're using backports. that's 4.6 |
| 21:53.18 | mutante | Neon: not sure, but try "the other one" |
| 21:53.56 | Kobaz | the wireless at this motel is tehsux |
| 21:53.58 | Neon | I found out that I could set GRUB_DEFAULT to my older one, but then I'd have to remake the grub.cfg and that's a problem from the rescue system, isn't it? Any idea how I can hack it into the grub.cfg (for once)? |
| 21:54.00 | Kobaz | can't get wpa to sync up |
| 21:54.07 | SerajewelKS | today i learned why it's a bad idea to blindly remove safety measures from my LVM configuration that past me put in place for a good reason |
| 21:54.43 | Neon | GRUB_DEFAULT doesn't appear to be in the grub.cfg so it must be processed by grub-mkconfig somehow. |
| 21:54.51 | mutante | Neon: is there no "update-grub" command? |
| 21:55.11 | SerajewelKS | the short story is that i extended the / lv into a pv that was encrypted with a key stored somewhere in / |
| 21:55.49 | teraflops | Neon: because you do not edit grub.cfg by hand, you edit /etc/default/grub |
| 21:55.53 | SerajewelKS | if i'd thought for two seconds i would've realized why that's a bad idea and why i set the allocation policy for / to cling |
| 21:56.04 | Neon | mutante: The manpage says it's just an alias for grub-mkconfig with a default -o option set. The problem is here that I cannot tell grub-mkconfig where to take the config from, can I? Or should I just temporarily replace the /etc/default/grub of the rescue system? |
| 21:56.20 | Neon | The one from my original system currently resides at /mnt/etc/default/grub |
| 21:56.49 | mutante | Neon: yea, i would think you tell it it's at /mnt/etc/default/grub |
| 21:57.06 | Neon | How? I checked the manpage and there seems to be no option. |
| 21:57.33 | mutante | i dont know :/ just had to ask for grub2 support myself the other day |
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| 21:58.19 | teraflops | Neon: the chroot |
| 21:58.22 | teraflops | then* |
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| 21:59.56 | Neon | teraflops: :) I'll try that. |
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| 22:01.30 | teraflops | Neon: chroot or just use a netinstall in rescue mode, once chrooted fix your whatever you want and then update-grub |
| 22:01.42 | teraflops | s/your/ |
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| 22:02.56 | Neon | Mh, what do I have to mount to /dev? |
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| 22:03.33 | Sheraf | Hi |
| 22:03.39 | Sheraf | is ifstat displaying mbits or mo? |
| 22:03.53 | Sheraf | nvm, it says it |
| 22:03.54 | Sheraf | KB/s |
| 22:04.01 | Sheraf | so bytes, right |
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| 22:04.47 | teraflops | Neon: https://wiki.debian.org/chroot#Mounting_pseudo_filesystems |
| 22:05.03 | Neon | So, in general, what are the advantages and disadvantages of: A) going back to using the old (Wheezy) kernel or B) upgrading to a kernel newer than the default Jessie kernel? |
| 22:05.23 | Neon | Because the main aim of upgrading was to get the newer libc version. |
| 22:05.39 | Neon | So if the kernel downgrade makes it unusable again, it'd actually be no option. |
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| 22:09.55 | teraflops | Neon: sorry I just read you wanted to run update grub from a rescue shell, all that wheezy and libc stuff scares me |
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| 22:11.08 | Neon | teraflops: Yes, that's one possible solution. So you don't know about compatibility between the 3.2 kernel and libc6 2.19? |
| 22:11.24 | teraflops | nope sorry |
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| 22:12.08 | Neon | No problem, teraflops, your chroot idea helped me a lot anyways. |
| 22:12.19 | teraflops | ok |
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| 22:12.24 | Filystyn | HEX viewer |
| 22:12.26 | Filystyn | dd? |
| 22:12.28 | Filystyn | xx |
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| 22:12.37 | Filystyn | there was goood one normal one working and |
| 22:12.46 | Filystyn | OFC YOU THOWN OUT OF REP |
| 22:12.50 | Filystyn | it |
| 22:12.58 | jelly | Filystyn, lay off the fucking caps lock |
| 22:13.27 | Filystyn | I am waiting for urgent help here |
| 22:13.29 | missmbob | Neon: teraflops 3.2 kernel does work with 2.19 |
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| 22:13.51 | jelly | you want urgent, try paying for an SLA Filystyn |
| 22:14.02 | missmbob | Neon: teraflops hell kernel 2.6.32 is the min for glibc 2.20 |
| 22:14.07 | Filystyn | Whole day in front computer tomorrow I am not going to tur this shit fore a frgging second |
| 22:14.45 | Filystyn | pukes, pukes on utf-8 bs. binary crap and unreadabe manuals. |
| 22:15.04 | Filystyn | man hex |
| 22:15.06 | Filystyn | did not work |
| 22:15.09 | jelly | Neon, you can _probably_ live with 3.2 and jessie userspace if you keep sysvinit |
| 22:15.10 | phy1729 | od -t x1 should would well |
| 22:15.18 | jelly | Filystyn, hexdump -C |
| 22:16.01 | Neon | missmbob: Sounds good. Thanks for the info. :) |
| 22:16.06 | Filystyn | how to have onyl first 100 |
| 22:16.10 | Filystyn | this file has 500 mega |
| 22:16.25 | jelly | only first 100 what? |
| 22:16.25 | Filystyn | 1000 bytes |
| 22:16.41 | Filystyn | ofc ofc i wanted to see 100 mega |
| 22:16.45 | Neon | jelly: Probably? What could be issues? Packages that require a newer kernel? What's sysvinit for? |
| 22:16.46 | Filystyn | :) |
| 22:16.53 | Neon | I've just seen that in the grub config. |
| 22:16.58 | Neon | As menu entry. |
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| 22:17.53 | jelly | Filystyn, use multiple tools and combine them. first cut thousand bytes, then pipe to hexdump. or hexdump first, then pipe to head for the first couple lines. Also learn to pipe text output to less |
| 22:18.26 | jelly | Filystyn, and learn to say "thank you" |
| 22:18.45 | Filystyn | | less |
| 22:18.47 | jelly | it will make your presence a bit more tolerable |
| 22:18.48 | Filystyn | saw that ? |
| 22:18.58 | Filystyn | but thank you for hexdump |
| 22:19.02 | Filystyn | that was helpful |
| 22:19.09 | jelly | you're welcome |
| 22:19.12 | Neon | And what could be wrong with the backport kernel? |
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| 22:19.53 | jelly | Neon, sorry, I'm missing context. Do you have a specific issue in mind? |
| 22:21.11 | missmbob | Neon: systemd should work with anything above 2.6.39 |
| 22:21.21 | Neon | jelly: Well, you wrote I could "_probably_ live with 3.2 and jessie userspace if you keep sysvinit". I assume you didn't mark that "probably" for no reason. |
| 22:21.35 | missmbob | Neon: assuming everything is compiled correctly :P |
| 22:21.39 | jelly | missmbob, provided there are a couple config settings in place. |
| 22:22.04 | jelly | Neon: systemd was weird things from the kernel. |
| 22:22.07 | jelly | wants* |
| 22:22.25 | jelly | sysvinit less so |
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| 22:24.09 | Neon | So what's the higher risk? Jessie with 3.2 or Jessie with backport kernel (is that 4.10?) |
| 22:24.14 | jelly | Neon, probably is merely there because I haven't or don't remember actually trying that setup. |
| 22:24.25 | jelly | higher risk of what? |
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| 22:24.37 | jelly | nuclear meltdown? |
| 22:24.37 | Neon | Of bugs or system failure or data loss or the like. |
| 22:24.56 | jelly | jessie-backports are made for jessie. |
| 22:25.14 | jelly | so if you have to, try those first |
| 22:25.24 | Neon | But they are not considered stable, are they? |
| 22:25.25 | jelly | if you don't have to... don't |
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| 22:26.39 | jelly | "stable", for a debian release, means a known set of bugs. Changing a component in ANY way, be it using an older or a newer version, is straying from "stable" |
| 22:27.23 | jelly | if you're asking "will it work" then the answer is "probably, it's supposed to, if it breaks please report bugs. NO WARRANTY" |
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| 22:28.24 | jelly | Neon, so again, do you have a specific problem leading you to ask about nondefault kernels? |
| 22:28.39 | Neon | Well, I have a not working network adapter right now and three options: use old kernel (3.2), use weird workaround that involves setting up a PXE boot as primary and letting it timeout, then a HD boot as secondary, or use a jessie-backport kernel. As far as I know the 3.16 kernel has some weird bug that makes my network adapter firmware not initialize correctly. |
| 22:28.56 | jelly | use jessie-backports. |
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| 22:29.16 | jelly | perhaps you're just missing some optional firmware? |
| 22:29.51 | jelly | (but yeah, it's very possible your particular hw has issues with 3.16, that's worth reporting) |
| 22:30.02 | Neon | I don't know, but I don't think so. There's a guy that had the exact same problem and he has much more knowledge than me. If you happen to understand German I can send you the link. |
| 22:30.21 | mutante | jelly: that's what we though. but then there was in his logs: "firmware: agent loaded rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw into memory" right before eth0 goes down |
| 22:30.41 | jelly | oh, realtek? Maybe get a better card? |
| 22:31.03 | mutante | ^ that's what i expected when i said < mutante> Neon: unfortunately Realtek has not the best reputation :p |
| 22:31.04 | Neon | I have no influence on that. |
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| 22:31.28 | Neon | I've just rented the server. |
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| 22:31.50 | jelly | surely you can ask the provider about hw options |
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| 22:32.25 | jelly | the easiest workaround would be to use the kernel from jessie-backports |
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| 22:32.36 | Neon | Mh yeah, I could. But I think, concerning the time this will take, I'll need a workaround at first. |
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| 22:34.03 | Neon | jelly: Yeah, I think I'll go with that and hope everything will run fine. |
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| 22:34.57 | jelly | "I'd like a server with an actual server-level ethernet card" |
| 22:35.23 | jelly | "sure, that will cost you $$$ extra" |
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| 22:37.32 | Neon | Is there a chance you've nothing better to do than aiding me with setting the jessie-backport kernel up? |
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| 22:38.09 | Neon | I've never set a kernel up before and I only have the rescue system. I'd go for chroot and follow instructions on the internet. |
| 22:39.18 | Neon | Download this https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-image-amd64 and install it with the package manager? |
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| 22:42.29 | piiiiiiiiiiiiiii | Hello |
| 22:42.32 | piiiiiiiiiiiiiii | I want to replace the current network program that comes with Raspbian Jessie with WICD. How can I do this? |
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| 22:45.07 | chaddy | taht sounds like a raspbian problem, piiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 22:45.27 | chaddy | s/taht/that/ |
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| 22:46.56 | piiiiiiiiiiiiiii | chaddy: Correct |
| 22:47.23 | chaddy | piiiiiiiiiiiiiii: what do you see when you read the name of this channel? |
| 22:47.44 | chaddy | hint, not raspbian |
| 22:48.24 | piiiiiiiiiiiiiii | chaddy: I see chaddys channel |
| 22:48.32 | Neon | Plan is: mount my other system's fs to /mnt, chroot to /mnt, use apt-get install linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 to install the jessie-backport kernel. Good plan? :S |
| 22:48.37 | piiiiiiiiiiiiiii | chaddy: And Rasp Debian |
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| 22:49.21 | awal1 | piiiiiiiiiiiiiii, this channel is for debian support, not for debian based. but simply install wicd (wicd-daemon, wicd-gtk...) then remove network-manager and network-manager-gnome, reboot and you are done. thats how things work in debian, probably the same in raspbian |
| 22:49.48 | awal1 | dpkg: tell piiiiiiiiiiiiiii about debian based |
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| 22:51.20 | piiiiiiiiiiiiiii | dpkg: tell awali about Raspbian |
| 22:51.50 | chaddy | passes piiiiiiiiiiiiiii a <tab> complete |
| 22:51.56 | chaddy | and the ability to read |
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| 22:53.44 | piiiiiiiiiiiiiii | chaddy: Learn about Raspbian, I heard it's Debian based. I think you might like it ;). |
| 22:53.55 | piiiiiiiiiiiiiii | dpkg: tell chaddy about Raspbian |
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| 22:54.06 | piiiiiiiiiiiiiii | Good bye, I don't have time to entertain this |
| 22:54.12 | piiiiiiiiiiiiiii | is away |
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| 22:54.25 | cra1g321 | !raspbian |
| 22:54.26 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 22:54.30 | missmbob | !tell piiiiiiiiiiiiiii about away |
| 22:54.32 | chaddy | I'm plenty well versed in raspbian, thanks, piiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
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| 23:24.58 | cilkay | Hello. I'm building Jessie VMs via preseeding. I have apt-cacher-ng installed in a VM (hostname elara) on my LAN. I'd like to specify that any requests to debian repos hit http://elara:3142 in the preseed file. I manually added an apt.conf file in which I put Acquire::http { Proxy "http://elara:3142"; }; and that works great. How do I specify that in the preseed file? |
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| 23:38.49 | jedediah | I'd like to run a shell script if/when Unattended-Upgrade runs and installs packages. The default configuration has a commented example of 'Unattended-Upgrade::Mail "root";' -- is there a similar flag available for running a script instead? |
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