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| 00:02.03 | erm3nda | battery, really? did u even googled for it? it's an application to read, write data on devices. In example, to take a full raw image of your usb in /dev/sdc1 you can do "sudo dd if=/dev/sdc of=my-image.iso" |
| 00:03.36 | battery | oh thanks erm3nda :) |
| 00:03.51 | battery | to read and write data on device great |
| 00:04.03 | erm3nda | yes |
| 00:04.28 | erm3nda | u can even create files with random data using if=/dev/urandom then setting bs and count |
| 00:04.56 | battery | i donât know it yet :( |
| 00:04.57 | erm3nda | it's the most powerfull app, but you may encounter easier to use the gnome-disks utility "Disks" |
| 00:05.11 | battery | Disks |
| 00:05.28 | erm3nda | I only use dd to take full backups of drives, including grub/mrb & partitions untouched |
| 00:05.39 | battery | oh |
| 00:05.54 | erm3nda | u can revert any disk if you make a raw image of it |
| 00:05.57 | battery | i saw it on OpenWrt command |
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| 00:06.06 | erm3nda | instead of partition by partion nor something like that, like gparted |
| 00:06.32 | erm3nda | dd is part of every *nix OS |
| 00:06.48 | battery | oh great |
| 00:06.52 | erm3nda | is even on your Android phone, Buxybox, etc |
| 00:07.07 | battery | then i will master dd command |
| 00:07.08 | erm3nda | OpenWrt is an open router based on *nix |
| 00:07.20 | battery | oh |
| 00:07.22 | erm3nda | i don't own it, but know a bit of it |
| 00:07.33 | erm3nda | it's not free yet, right? XD |
| 00:07.44 | battery | thanks :) |
| 00:08.22 | erm3nda | even my broken android TV has Busybox with dd compiled on it :-) |
| 00:08.41 | erm3nda | Also the Iphone as dd, because is backed up by Debian 7 Wheezy |
| 00:08.50 | erm3nda | has dd |
| 00:09.34 | erm3nda | bye, gl |
| 00:09.43 | battery | oh |
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| 00:29.35 | XndrK | I downloaded Flash for Chromium on Jessie as a tar and unpacked it, but I have no idea where to put it so I can start using it. |
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| 00:31.54 | XndrK | help |
| 00:32.17 | bazhang | XndrK, doesnt chrome come with flash as as standard |
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| 00:32.33 | bazhang | why use chromium |
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| 00:33.01 | XndrK | Chromium. |
| 00:33.10 | XndrK | I could just download Chrome proper and hope it works. |
| 00:33.24 | bazhang | it does |
| 00:36.21 | Hello71 | https://google.com/search?q=debian+chromium+flash |
| 00:37.05 | XndrK | How do I get Aptitude to install a deb file I downloaded? |
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| 00:38.33 | Hello71 | don't do that |
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| 00:40.31 | XndrK | How do I install a deb file I downloaded from Google's website? |
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| 00:48.51 | awal1 | Xndrk, google chrome is based on chromium. Chromium = chrome minus privacy, tracking ... stuff. and chromium come with pepperflash yet |
| 00:49.51 | awal1 | more privacy, minux tracking ^ |
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| 02:18.26 | plasmoduck | XndrK: dpkg -i file.deb |
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| 02:24.00 | awal1 | or gdebi for .deb |
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| 03:27.37 | kcirick | Hello all... I'm wondering if lightDM (or any other DM) is necessary for me? I'm the only person that uses this computer, and I only have one user account on my system |
| 03:28.35 | kcirick | I just uninstalled lightdm and opted to log into console then 'startx'... is this somehow a bad idea? |
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| 04:00.06 | jim_carry | I want to install latest version of i3-wm on debian. How could I install it |
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| 04:01.22 | rjsalts | jim_carry: apt-get install i3-wm? |
| 04:01.49 | jim_carry | It is the version 4.7 I want 4.12, my dotfiles won't work with 4.7 |
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| 04:06.22 | rjsalts | jim_carry: add "deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian sid main contrib non-free" to your /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get source i3-wm; apt-get build-dep i3-wm; cd i3-wm*; dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot or something like that? |
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| 04:07.16 | rjsalts | jim_carry: 4.8 is in backports too, if that is recent enough |
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| 04:08.07 | rjsalts | jim_carry: your apt-get build-dep might fail if it requires newer versions of build deps than are in jessie, or whatever release you're using |
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| 04:44.40 | plasmoduck | I don't get why people use i3 over Awesome? |
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| 04:49.39 | TomTomTosch | it's more stable. used i3 for a while back when awesome was too buggy. |
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| 04:50.11 | TomTomTosch | and both are fine. not everyone want to change every little detail in the configs. |
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| 04:55.21 | plasmoduck | I guess some people feel uncomfortable with lua also. |
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| 04:58.47 | plasmoduck | TomTomTosch: you know how monitors have a res limit, like 1080p, well I was thinking if you lower the font size system wide for everything and somehow you call shrink window sizes and gui interfaces that would be essentially like a res increase hack kinda maybe yeah? |
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| 04:59.39 | plasmoduck | But how could you shrink the size of every gui interface window? Most have limits how small you could make them, I'm guessing you'd have to change something in the source and recompile them? |
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| 05:00.21 | TomTomTosch | but that would just worsen readability. |
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| 05:01.12 | plasmoduck | Not lowering the font too much, just a little |
| 05:01.23 | plasmoduck | Isn't that how smaller res works anyway? |
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| 05:03.27 | TomTomTosch | not really |
| 05:03.48 | plasmoduck | scaling |
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| 05:06.22 | TomTomTosch | but it isn't scaling very well? |
| 05:07.15 | plasmoduck | true |
| 05:07.16 | TomTomTosch | even text with dpi designation get's rendered the same pixel height on most displays. |
| 05:07.27 | TomTomTosch | s/get's/gets |
| 05:07.43 | plasmoduck | Is there any hacks or tricks to push a monitor past it's native res? |
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| 05:07.56 | plasmoduck | I have 2 Dell 22" IPS LEDs |
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| 05:08.13 | plasmoduck | both 1080p but I'd love to push them just to the next res up |
| 05:08.23 | TomTomTosch | no, your monitor has as many pixels as the manufacturer put into it. |
| 05:08.30 | plasmoduck | like maybe a firmware flash? |
| 05:08.31 | plasmoduck | Ok |
| 05:09.01 | plasmoduck | I wonder about these types of things, like over-clocking in a sence |
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| 05:09.04 | plasmoduck | sense |
| 05:09.19 | plasmoduck | like how you can overclock a processor or ram etc |
| 05:09.49 | TomTomTosch | monitor overclocking is a thing, but the benefits are marginal. |
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| 05:10.28 | rhizome | what is the thing that allows command completion for, say, my ssh/config? |
| 05:11.19 | plasmoduck | TomTomTosch: how could I do it? |
| 05:11.29 | plasmoduck | rhizome: tab? |
| 05:12.00 | TomTomTosch | rhizome: something in /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion i think. |
| 05:12.08 | rhizome | /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/ yeah |
| 05:12.25 | rhizome | just found it, i don't know why i thought it woudl be an obscure thing |
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| 06:26.35 | rozie | hello. I have problem with Debian stable and python |
| 06:26.37 | rozie | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.38 | rozie | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.38 | rozie | ImportError: No module named pkg_resources |
| 06:27.29 | rozie | mps-youtube from stable (and it worked fine on other machine) |
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| 06:29.03 | jmcnaught | rozie: do you have anything in /usr/local/lib/python2.7 (or 3.4)? |
| 06:30.18 | rozie | I have both. |
| 06:30.25 | rozie | I suspect python version indeed |
| 06:30.45 | rozie | python -V |
| 06:30.46 | rozie | Python 2.7.9 |
| 06:31.26 | jmcnaught | if it's in /usr/local then it's not from a Debian package. Maybe on the machine that works you're using Debian packages for dependencies, but you used pip or something on this machine? |
| 06:32.28 | rozie | no, it's rather new system and I don't recall any 3rd party installs |
| 06:33.28 | rozie | there are directories, but they are empty |
| 06:33.33 | jmcnaught | /usr/local/lib/python2.7 should have two empty directories, site-packages and dist-packages. |
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| 06:36.26 | themill | rozie: do you have the python-pkg-resources or python3-pkg-resources packages installed? |
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| 06:37.33 | rozie | installed python3-pkg-resources and there was no change |
| 06:37.42 | rozie | installing python-pkg-resources right now |
| 06:37.43 | themill | it would be the python 2 version in jessie |
| 06:38.05 | rozie | BTW how to change default python version in system to 3? |
| 06:38.16 | themill | you don't; there is no "default python version" |
| 06:38.20 | rozie | there's no /etc/alternatives entry for this :-( |
| 06:38.32 | themill | there is a default Python 2 version and a default Python 3 version |
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| 06:38.45 | rozie | installation of python-pkg-resources solved the problem |
| 06:38.52 | rozie | reporting a dependences bug |
| 06:38.54 | rozie | thx |
| 06:39.06 | themill | yes, please report that as severity: serious |
| 06:39.29 | themill | (it's unlikely to actually get fixed in jessie but at least it will be in the bts) |
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| 06:41.15 | rozie | I wonder why it worked on the other systems |
| 06:41.36 | rozie | probably disabled installation of suggested and recommended packages here |
| 06:41.44 | rozie | before python was installed |
| 06:42.03 | themill | pkg-python-resources has lots of other packages that depend on it so it was probably already there for some other reason |
| 06:42.27 | rozie | anyway, it is required, so should be listed as direct dependecy |
| 06:42.32 | themill | sure |
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| 06:42.44 | themill | hence me requesting that you file it as severity: serious |
| 06:43.03 | themill | It's already fixed in stretch btw |
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| 06:44.38 | Fat-Zer_ | why creation of a swap file fails? |
| 06:44.44 | Fat-Zer_ | debian jessie |
| 06:45.36 | Fat-Zer_ | swapon complains: "swapon: /tmp/swap: swapon failed: Invalid argument" |
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| 06:48.41 | Fat-Zer_ | and another question: is it possible to continue a debuild after stop? |
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| 06:52.04 | ransur0t | Fat-Zer_: - is this relevant to your installation: http://goo.gl/RijtsT ? |
| 06:53.10 | Fat-Zer_ | *about debuild seems supply -nc is enough... |
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| 06:55.12 | rozie | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23832087 |
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| 06:55.57 | rozie | Fat-Zer_: probably you have /tmp/swap in /etc/fstab |
| 06:56.26 | rozie | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.04 | Fat-Zer_ | rozie: I've just need it temporary... |
| 06:57.22 | Fat-Zer_ | sure, I've created it with dd |
| 06:58.21 | cra1g321 | just make a directory |
| 06:58.38 | Fat-Zer_ | ransur0t: I've got ext4 in lvm... it would be strange if it doesn't supports the swap... |
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| 07:00.05 | Fat-Zer_ | rozie: I assume the bug is not for me? |
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| 07:00.30 | Fat-Zer_ | cra1g321: o_O |
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| 07:01.54 | ransur0t | Fat-Zer_: give man swapon a read to see if you're missing anything |
| 07:03.12 | Fat-Zer_ | ransur0t: sure, I've watched it through before aking here... |
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| 07:03.21 | ransur0t | ah, cool |
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| 07:05.19 | ransur0t | Fat-Zer_: what is the content of your fstab? |
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| 07:06.02 | z003kbct | where can i get sources/headers for debian 4.4.0-1 kernel? |
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| 07:08.14 | Fat-Zer_ | ransur0t: http://paste.debian.net/784003/ |
| 07:08.41 | ransur0t | z003kbct: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-install-kernel-headers-package/ |
| 07:10.23 | ransur0t | Fat-Zer_: is line 17 for the swap you just tried to create using dd command? |
| 07:11.22 | Fat-Zer_ | ransur0t: nope, it's a persistent 4G swap in lvm... I've just needed some additional memmory for a moment... |
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| 07:11.46 | Fat-Zer_ | and was pretty confused that it doesn't work as usual... |
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| 07:11.58 | ransur0t | ah, I see. doesn't the swap still need to be mounted for it to be accessed by system? |
| 07:12.05 | z003kbct | ransur0t: i don't get it. but headers for 4.4.0 are not in repository. which seems strange since 4.4 should be lts kernel |
| 07:12.35 | rozie | Fat-Zer_: no, it's my bug |
| 07:12.49 | rozie | Fat-Zer_: you need to mkswap after you dd |
| 07:13.08 | Fat-Zer_ | rozie: did it... |
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| 07:14.00 | ransur0t | z003kbct: what is your output of apt-cache search linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 07:14.58 | rozie | Fat-Zer_: permissions |
| 07:15.09 | rozie | provide full output of swapon |
| 07:15.35 | z003kbct | ransur0t: nothing |
| 07:16.51 | rozie | Fat-Zer_: or not permissions |
| 07:17.00 | rozie | Fat-Zer_: do you have your /tmp as tmpfs? |
| 07:17.02 | ransur0t | just do uname -a, see what that displays |
| 07:17.16 | rozie | Fat-Zer_: just create that file in / not /tmp |
| 07:17.33 | rozie | then dd, mkswap, chown, chmod, swapon just works |
| 07:17.41 | z003kbct | 4.4.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.4.6-1 (2016-03-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 07:23.11 | Fat-Zer_ | rozie: nope, /tmp is on root, permissions are correct, tried the same in / â still the same... so it does works for you, may I ask, what debian you are running? and do you have root on lvm? |
| 07:24.50 | Fat-Zer_ | rozie: and what FS do you've got on root... |
| 07:25.00 | Fat-Zer_ | rozie: just for make sure, my actions: http://paste.debian.net/784007/ |
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| 07:25.41 | ransur0t | z003kbct: try aptitude search linux-headers |
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| 07:26.44 | z003kbct | ransur0t: yep. that prints a lot of headers packages but not for 4.4 version |
| 07:27.36 | ransur0t | hmm, perhaps find it at snapshot.debian.org? |
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| 07:28.06 | cra1g321 | is 4.4 even a supported debian kernel ? |
| 07:28.19 | Fat-Zer_ | z003kbct: nothing missing in source.list? |
| 07:28.22 | rozie | Fat-Zer_: dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmpswap bs=1M count=100; mkswap /tmpswap; chmod 600 /tmpswap; swapon /tmpswap |
| 07:28.31 | rozie | Fat-Zer_: Jessie |
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| 07:29.29 | Zliba | how do i change the default kernel to boot? i have access to /boot |
| 07:29.43 | Fat-Zer_ | rozie: same shit=) I know, it should just work, so I'm as confused as you... I suspected systemd at first... now I suspect lvm/ext4 mix... |
| 07:30.09 | rozie | ext4 has nothing to do with it by itself |
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| 07:30.51 | rozie | /dev/mapper/vg_village-debian--root on / type btrfs (rw,relatime,space_cache) |
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| 07:31.02 | rozie | looks like you have brtfs |
| 07:31.31 | Fat-Zer_ | rozie: >_< |
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| 07:32.17 | Fat-Zer_ | rozie: damn, I was sure, I've checked it... |
| 07:32.29 | rozie | /dev/mapper/vg_village-debian--home on /home type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered) |
| 07:32.42 | rozie | try to create directly at /home |
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| 07:33.40 | maaartin | hi |
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| 07:34.02 | Fat-Zer_ | ransur0t: You were right about the swap/btrfs... thanks... |
| 07:34.04 | maaartin | I'll do minicom -b 9600 -o -D /dev/ttyAMA0 > output.txt 2>&1 but whats the correct way to abort piping into the file? |
| 07:34.36 | maaartin | first I start a script which does "minicom -b 9600 -o -D /dev/ttyAMA0 > output.txt 2>&1" then I want start a second script which aborts the first ome |
| 07:34.42 | Fat-Zer_ | rozie: sure... that's works... thanks too for peaking me into that... |
| 07:35.32 | ransur0t | Fat-Zer_: yw :) |
| 07:35.49 | Fat-Zer_ | >_< so embaracing... |
| 07:36.46 | ransur0t | it happens to the best of us! ;) |
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| 07:37.41 | Fat-Zer_ | Zliba: no access to /etc and/or no way to run a script? you may change "default" in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 07:38.40 | Fat-Zer_ | but be aware it will be overwriten with e.g. new kernel install... |
| 07:38.41 | Zliba | Fat-Zer_, no access to /etc ; i've mounted /boot in openbsd but /etc is btrfs which is not mountable in openbsd lol |
| 07:38.55 | Zliba | ok |
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| 07:50.21 | Auron | Can nodm run few displays? |
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| 08:00.24 | quiqed | Hi, is anyone using haswell platform? The sound has gone since last kernel update. |
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| 08:01.41 | towo^work | quiqed, stable or testing? |
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| 08:04.05 | ransur0t | Auron: searched, didn't find anything on nodm multi-display config. What desktop are you running? |
| 08:04.08 | quiqed | towo^work: testing |
| 08:04.25 | towo^work | quiqed, install pulseaudio-module-udev |
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| 08:05.01 | quiqed | towo^work: ok, i'll try it first |
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| 08:07.02 | ransur0t | it seems nodm is simply a tool for auto login, so display config is done in desktop config |
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| 08:50.47 | dagerik | ssh login takes an unusual amount of time and is hanging on [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.login1' unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.login1.service |
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| 08:53.12 | ransur0t | dagerik: try systemctl restart systemd-logind |
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| 08:59.33 | dagerik | ransur0t: thanks. worked |
| 08:59.47 | ransur0t | cool, yw |
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| 09:05.48 | dearfibonacci | is there any option to wake a monitor every time the pc is turned on ? talking about arm arch. but when the display goes "sleep" after a while the pc just wont wake the display when it boots |
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| 09:15.54 | petn-randall | dearfibonacci: Check with another monitor if its the system or your current monitor that is bugged. |
| 09:16.16 | ransur0t | dearfibonacci: just about to suggest same as petn-randall |
| 09:16.54 | ransur0t | if you have a spare, 2nd mon, that is |
| 09:17.28 | petn-randall | dearfibonacci: I'm guessing the monitor is buggy, since powersave needs to explicitely be sent from the video card via the vsync/hsync lines. |
| 09:17.29 | dearfibonacci | petn-randall: ransur0t forgot to mention they are industry displays with hdmi/dvi conns. gonna check it out btw |
| 09:17.56 | ransur0t | also try different vid inputs if possible |
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| 09:20.59 | dearfibonacci | this with lcd works fine and always wakes the lcd but when it comes to hdmi its just doesnt wake the sleeping display, also tried to setup uenv.exe with kernel parameters like to use always hdmi and stuff like that |
| 09:21.57 | dearfibonacci | and to be honest also tried to get uart output from it and getting text saying: Could not find a matching pll-freq for.. when pressing display autodetect button |
| 09:22.13 | dearfibonacci | (and after this ofcourse wakes the screen) |
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| 09:26.26 | ransur0t | i suspect you may get better result using dvi |
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| 09:27.27 | dearfibonacci | its hdmi-dvi connection so from pc side hdmi on display side dvi |
| 09:27.45 | ransur0t | ah, interesting |
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| 09:37.46 | Zliba | hey i have an empty file in root's home directory called "dead.letter" that was created four days ago.... wtf? |
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| 09:38.29 | Ticho | that usually happens when you start writing an e-mail in programs like pine or mutt, but you don't send it, or don't finish writing it |
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| 09:40.11 | Iridos | but they're not very talkative |
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| 09:59.12 | julius_ | hi |
| 10:00.30 | julius_ | ive got a squeeze system here, which rebooted today only to tell me that it cant find the root device.....with kernel 4.6, 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 does boot the system without problems. all kernels were installed with the usual apt. any ideas why the newer kernel cant find my root on a encrypted lvm? |
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| 10:04.16 | SynrGy | squeeze + 4.6 kernel? why? |
| 10:04.57 | babilen | "Can't upgrade" + "Need newest software" ? |
| 10:05.22 | julius_ | oh wait |
| 10:05.24 | julius_ | no, jessie |
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| 10:05.53 | SynrGy | and which 4.6, then. from bpo? |
| 10:06.02 | julius_ | let me chekc |
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| 10:07.08 | julius_ | vmlinuz-4.6.0-1-amd64 thats the installed filename, what was a way to let apt search trough installed applications only? so i can see more information about the kernel |
| 10:08.38 | SynrGy | aptitude versions ~ilinux-image |
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| 10:10.28 | SynrGy | slightly tidier, use --group-by=none |
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| 10:17.27 | RedCross | Hi to all, do you have an idea where i can find xf86-input-libinput for debian? |
| 10:18.36 | ransur0t | julius_: not sure if this applies to your lvm setup, but have a look: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=208132 |
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| 10:22.05 | ransur0t | mkinitcpio |
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| 10:30.42 | demoz | Hello, i was wondering if anyone would know answer to the following question : if i use swap file on external device(example USB) and if device fail or i eject it, will the system boot normally ? The swap file is loaded in /etc/fstab :) |
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| 10:31.10 | julius_ | ransur0t, the thing is that i did the lvm/encrypt part with the debian installer...so i was expecting that it would pick it up for never kernels initramfs.... |
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| 10:32.07 | julius_ | SynrGy, weird....that aptitude command does not list the kernel 4.6 at all |
| 10:32.15 | julius_ | maybe its from jessie backports |
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| 10:33.27 | julius_ | demoz, with systemd (the current boot process) a not useable partition from /etc/fstab will halt the boot process |
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| 10:33.43 | ransur0t | julius_: yeah, one would think, but perhaps your system needs a point in the right direction ;) |
| 10:33.45 | julius_ | im not sure if you can skip that while booting and keep on booting |
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| 10:34.25 | julius_ | ransur0t, i guess i will open a bug report....seems one of the cases that was missed |
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| 10:35.43 | demoz | julius_ thank you for the info :) |
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| 10:40.02 | zz__ | hi, I have some really bad problem |
| 10:40.14 | zz__ | ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached" ;-; |
| 10:40.27 | zz__ | my bouncer cant connect.. nothing can |
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| 10:44.18 | julius_ | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:44.44 | recstecs | hi. is the ntfs support in linux now considered fully stable? |
| 10:45.01 | zz__ | julius_, just two commented out lines |
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| 10:45.04 | julius_ | zz__, on the other hand, your system was able to resolve freenode.net |
| 10:45.09 | zz__ | no, it wasn't |
| 10:45.14 | julius_ | oh |
| 10:45.22 | zz__ | I'm connecting through my laptop |
| 10:45.25 | julius_ | well, you got no nameserver then...no name resolution |
| 10:45.31 | zz__ | ok |
| 10:45.35 | zz__ | how can I add one? |
| 10:45.49 | recstecs | resolv.conf |
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| 10:46.04 | zz__ | "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND" |
| 10:46.10 | julius_ | write: nameserver 8.8.8.8 into it |
| 10:46.35 | julius_ | by default, the gnome desktop network-manager will remove that entry pretty quickly |
| 10:46.44 | recstecs | normally your router will forward your dns requests |
| 10:47.04 | julius_ | recstecs, hes resolvf.conf is all commented out |
| 10:47.10 | julius_ | his |
| 10:47.14 | recstecs | oh |
| 10:47.43 | julius_ | actually, my gnome does that to me too from time to time...it just clears resolv.conf for no reason |
| 10:47.45 | zz__ | julius_, it works, thanks so much |
| 10:47.54 | julius_ | no problem |
| 10:47.57 | recstecs | i see |
| 10:48.05 | julius_ | remember...this is just a temporary workaround |
| 10:48.17 | recstecs | i used to be a network tech and admin but maybe you guys can give me an adivce too :-) |
| 10:48.20 | julius_ | the problem will come back....you have to look into it why resolv.conf was commented out |
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| 10:48.34 | recstecs | brb need more coffee |
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| 10:48.55 | zz | I enabled "TUN/TAP" in the vps settings |
| 10:49.01 | zz | it rebooted, then this happened |
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| 10:50.04 | zz | I'll just hope it stays like that |
| 10:50.09 | julius_ | could be a lot of reasons, maybe better to discuss this on a debian forum with all the information in one place |
| 10:50.16 | julius_ | it wont... |
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| 10:50.33 | recstecs | say julius do you have some time for me please? |
| 10:50.35 | zz | this is the first time it has ever happened, every |
| 10:50.40 | julius_ | zz, as the file sys...do not edit by hand. because it will be overwritten |
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| 10:51.01 | julius_ | recstecs, just ask the question....there are a lot more competent guys here |
| 10:51.40 | recstecs | with every windows version they change the ntfs version. do you think ntfs support under linux is still considered stable? |
| 10:52.01 | julius_ | thats a question i cant answer |
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| 10:52.12 | julius_ | i deleted my windows... |
| 10:52.22 | recstecs | :-) |
| 10:52.50 | recstecs | i just need to know it if i will important data beause i want to import it safely and correctly |
| 10:52.50 | missmbob | recstecs: read, sure. would i trust it with writing shit i actually care about? not on your life |
| 10:52.52 | julius_ | in actually on a laptop that never saw windows code run on it :) |
| 10:53.13 | recstecs | thanks missmbob |
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| 10:53.36 | recstecs | it would be reading it to swap data over to ext4 |
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| 10:54.16 | recstecs | i have to deal with windows from time to time |
| 10:54.27 | julius_ | missmbob, actually..."on another persons life"...sure, why not ;) its not me |
| 10:54.29 | recstecs | all my friends will still use it |
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| 10:54.52 | recstecs | and i wont tell my friends such sentenses they are friends |
| 10:55.17 | recstecs | i care for them more than i do care for linux windows or for computers :-) |
| 10:55.31 | julius_ | see, theres the error in your ways ;) |
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| 10:55.39 | recstecs | yeah |
| 10:55.44 | julius_ | no youre right...but if its just "fun" data |
| 10:55.46 | julius_ | you can risk it |
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| 10:55.55 | recstecs | fun data? |
| 10:56.23 | julius_ | i mean data from friends....youre not figuring out a backup sheme for a big company or anything like that |
| 10:56.39 | recstecs | companies data is fun data for me |
| 10:56.48 | recstecs | :-) |
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| 10:57.03 | recstecs | i dont care if kraft foos data will be lost |
| 10:57.17 | recstecs | haha but i wont risk the family pictures of my friends |
| 10:57.54 | recstecs | hey missmbob do you think cvopy with checksums will be better? |
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| 10:58.33 | recstecs | do you work for a bigger company julius_ ? |
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| 10:58.52 | julius_ | no |
| 10:59.14 | recstecs | i just wonder why normal people think company data is more important than personal data :-) to me regular joes are still more important than companies |
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| 10:59.50 | julius_ | sure it is...but companys fire you |
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| 11:00.04 | recstecs | their loss |
| 11:00.11 | missmbob | recstecs: for copying stuff just mount it and then do something like rsync -a |
| 11:00.12 | recstecs | other copmany will hire you than |
| 11:00.24 | recstecs | okay |
| 11:00.50 | recstecs | thanks missmbob if i read bob have to think about bob ross haha |
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| 11:01.42 | julius_ | or you could have them open up a windows share and you use samba |
| 11:01.55 | julius_ | not perfect either, but you dont have to care about ntfs |
| 11:02.00 | jim | ,v wine-dev |
| 11:02.01 | recstecs | thats true |
| 11:02.02 | judd | No package named 'wine-dev' was found in amd64. |
| 11:02.13 | jim | hmm. is that one spelled out? |
| 11:02.22 | recstecs | but network will be much slower than usb 3 |
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| 11:02.32 | missmbob | ,v libwine-dev |
| 11:02.33 | judd | Package: libwine-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.2-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.8.3-2; stretch: 1.8.3-2 |
| 11:02.46 | jim | thanks |
| 11:03.05 | missmbob | jim there is also wine-development. not sure which one you were going for |
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| 11:05.07 | jim | the guy I'm trying to help, says the latter |
| 11:05.17 | jim | ,v wine-development |
| 11:05.18 | judd | Package: wine-development on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; jessie-backports: 1.9.12-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.9.14-1; sid: 1.9.14-1 |
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| 11:05.50 | jim | ok, good enough... let;s see how it goes |
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| 11:07.20 | flashdisastr | Do have a noob question, I'm running on a live usb for testing purpose before making the big move from windows to debian, as root, i cant run tor, is there any way to get on a normal user using a live cd ? |
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| 11:08.52 | missmbob | flashdisastr: never used live...but if you have root you can adduser to make a normal user |
| 11:09.38 | flashdisastr | ok so I have to create a normal user each time I run it, got it thx missmbob |
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| 11:09.46 | ransur0t | flashdisastr: have you considered using virtualbox to do your test run? could do a full install to get a feel for it, without oddities or restrictions of live environment |
| 11:10.42 | flashdisastr | ransur0t, not yet, I'm going to have a look to try using virtualbox |
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| 11:11.25 | ransur0t | i recommend it |
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| 11:12.03 | ransur0t | and you can also run the debian live images by mounting the iso to the cdrom |
| 11:13.04 | missmbob | the neat thing about the latter is you can shutdown virtualbox and it'll save the running state of the live image. no redoing anything next time you want to get on and still don't have to do the install process to try |
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| 11:14.37 | flashdisastr | yeah its quite boring, but anyway it's just a question of days before I do the big move. Its going to be a wild ride. but the previous days on my live cd almost convinced me to uninstall windows |
| 11:15.22 | ransur0t | you won't regret the migration |
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| 11:17.25 | recstecs | i am using some virtualbox-vms |
| 11:17.30 | flashdisastr | I already did the move 10 years ago on Mandrake haha, but at that time it took like 3 hours to find out how to install drivers for a webcam, today things seems different. less time wasted for such small archivement |
| 11:17.37 | recstecs | it is a tad laggy |
| 11:18.12 | recstecs | maybe i should use a different hardisk |
| 11:18.46 | recstecs | hi missmbob |
| 11:19.24 | recstecs | hi flashdisastr |
| 11:19.47 | recstecs | which windows do you sue? |
| 11:20.00 | flashdisastr | hello recstecs windows 7 |
| 11:20.06 | recstecs | i see |
| 11:20.09 | flashdisastr | I still keep it for ableton live |
| 11:20.24 | recstecs | i put my actual windows 8.1 in a virtual machine it is a tad laggy |
| 11:20.27 | flashdisastr | unfortunately no decent daw yet for linux |
| 11:21.01 | recstecs | i guess it is the hard disk that may be not fast enough |
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| 11:21.03 | flashdisastr | Never tried windows 8 I heard its total shit |
| 11:21.11 | recstecs | people talk a lot |
| 11:21.26 | flashdisastr | indeed |
| 11:21.32 | recstecs | people tell they miss the star menu but if you see em working they never suse the start menu lol |
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| 11:22.02 | recstecs | i am using windows since 3.11 |
| 11:22.21 | recstecs | people seem to always like the previous versions better |
| 11:22.29 | flashdisastr | wow thats old.. oldest one I remember is 98 |
| 11:22.44 | recstecs | i would like to try debian later |
| 11:22.51 | recstecs | so far i am using arch and antergos |
| 11:22.58 | flashdisastr | I would say I was very happy with 7 after shitty vista |
| 11:23.28 | recstecs | i have to admin that if you have decent hardware you will not really notice if the os is really somewhat slow |
| 11:23.47 | recstecs | admit |
| 11:24.11 | flashdisastr | Im using a thinkpad, most decent machine I had until now |
| 11:24.22 | recstecs | i try to stay neutral and see advantages and disadvantages |
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| 11:24.40 | Fat-Zer_ | what is the prefered way of managing symlinks like /usr/bin/{gcc,clang} ? |
| 11:25.08 | recstecs | linux is usually much more repsonsive on most machines while windows still wastes resources |
| 11:25.33 | recstecs | but to some degree it will be the virus protection that you better have running while using windows |
| 11:26.13 | recstecs | what is really wonderful about linux is that you can still use very good older hardware |
| 11:26.24 | recstecs | where windows will suffer |
| 11:26.49 | flashdisastr | a friend of mine run debian on a 1GB ram config |
| 11:27.03 | flashdisastr | I heard it can run well on a 512mo |
| 11:27.04 | flashdisastr | sick |
| 11:27.06 | recstecs | i like antix |
| 11:27.20 | recstecs | antix is debian based if i am right |
| 11:27.29 | recstecs | its fast even on very old hardware |
| 11:27.40 | flashdisastr | it is |
| 11:27.54 | missmbob | based on mepis which is based on debian. |
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| 11:28.07 | recstecs | i will still need some time to switch over fully to linux |
| 11:28.36 | recstecs | i was thinking about freenas as a server but why not using debian |
| 11:28.39 | flashdisastr | I'm going to install Kali I think. Want to learn about security |
| 11:28.48 | flashdisastr | also based on debian |
| 11:29.06 | recstecs | i see |
| 11:29.16 | recstecs | is kali the new name or the old one |
| 11:29.21 | missmbob | flashdisastr: keep in mind kali isn't supported here |
| 11:29.44 | flashdisastr | backtrack was the old on if Im right |
| 11:29.47 | ransur0t | kali used to be backtrack |
| 11:29.50 | recstecs | okay yes |
| 11:30.12 | recstecs | missmbob, seems to be a cool guy |
| 11:30.23 | flashdisastr | missmbob, I will, but I find this channel noob friendly for general linux issues |
| 11:30.34 | ransur0t | i've recently used their virtual appliance. vbox. good stuff. loaded with everything under the hood you would need |
| 11:30.49 | recstecs | i like when people are a tad more open minded on irc |
| 11:30.51 | recstecs | :-) |
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| 11:30.59 | flashdisastr | its not usual I agree |
| 11:31.45 | recstecs | the idea of gnu/linux does not really hm get along well with a closed mind i think |
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| 11:32.06 | recstecs | plus hating stuff and things is a waste of energy |
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| 11:32.22 | flashdisastr | everthing is about frustrations |
| 11:32.33 | flashdisastr | everyone experience them, some ppl more than others |
| 11:33.24 | recstecs | my windows system were always extremely stable. if you know how to work with it. but it does not come along with a the tools you need, plus surveilliance okay |
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| 11:33.44 | recstecs | but here people enter googles dns servers in there resolv.cong |
| 11:33.52 | recstecs | so isnt that supporting google too haha |
| 11:33.58 | flashdisastr | my windows was always stable the 8 first month |
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| 11:34.21 | flashdisastr | what i find boring with it is that to stay stable you have to reinstall almost every year |
| 11:34.21 | recstecs | lol and the 9th month? |
| 11:34.25 | recstecs | sounds like pregnancy |
| 11:34.34 | flashdisastr | it is I guess |
| 11:34.51 | recstecs | my windows was now 13 years old |
| 11:34.56 | recstecs | months |
| 11:35.04 | recstecs | now its virtual |
| 11:35.16 | flashdisastr | maybe old versions were more able to stay stable over time |
| 11:35.32 | recstecs | what was really crappy that the microsoft technet tool didnt work lol |
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| 11:35.47 | recstecs | disk2vhd |
| 11:35.48 | sypher | Not trying to stifle you guys, but there IS a channel for non-support chatter, #debian-offtopic. |
| 11:36.06 | teraflops | I kindly agree with sypher |
| 11:36.08 | recstecs | we did it onlyx because it was so quiet here |
| 11:36.16 | flashdisastr | ok sypher thx |
| 11:36.27 | recstecs | didnt mean to upset you |
| 11:36.30 | flashdisastr | yeah but I guess its quite cause no one need support now |
| 11:36.31 | sypher | Hey, no harm done, just letting you folks know. :) |
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| 11:36.35 | flashdisastr | lets move for general discussion |
| 11:37.03 | recstecs | i was only to suggest a way to move well over to linux :-) |
| 11:37.09 | recstecs | about |
| 11:37.47 | teraflops | recstecs: nah it's fine, it's just that some of us look at the channel when there is activity, but in this case there is only offtopic stuff |
| 11:38.17 | recstecs | say teraflops |
| 11:38.48 | recstecs | how would you convert an old machine into a vm? |
| 11:39.00 | sypher | woo, p2v funtimes. |
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| 11:39.08 | teraflops | recstecs: which OS? |
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| 11:39.29 | recstecs | any |
| 11:39.51 | teraflops | nope, it depends on the os |
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| 11:40.03 | nj8_ | https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/evalcenter?p=converter |
| 11:40.04 | recstecs | lets say if you want to help a friend switch over and that she or he will still be able to run it is he may need something out of it |
| 11:40.12 | teraflops | if you ask for *nix, i would say rsync |
| 11:40.25 | recstecs | i like virtualbox |
| 11:40.52 | teraflops | oh I have no idea about vbox sorry |
| 11:41.28 | Fat-Zer_ | is there a way to tell apt to update only specific repository? |
| 11:41.33 | recstecs | do you use kvm? |
| 11:41.47 | teraflops | I do |
| 11:42.00 | recstecs | is it more repsonsive? |
| 11:42.09 | recstecs | but it needs a special kernel? |
| 11:42.24 | teraflops | idk since I only use kvm I cannot compare |
| 11:42.50 | sypher | recstecs: KVM capability is a default feature for any Linux I've used in a while. |
| 11:43.39 | teraflops | recstecs: e.g ~1.5GB ram 2 cores w10 machine on ssd just flies |
| 11:43.55 | teraflops | virtIO for all the things |
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| 11:47.11 | recstecs | moment |
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| 11:47.15 | recstecs | needed more coffee |
| 11:47.29 | recstecs | can you run it on the actual machine |
| 11:47.42 | recstecs | or do you connect to the vm over the network via a client? |
| 11:47.55 | teraflops | it doesnt matter |
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| 11:48.21 | teraflops | I do it locally, you can connect to a remote hypervisor if you want |
| 11:48.21 | recstecs | kvm is part of the kernel right? |
| 11:48.27 | teraflops | right |
| 11:48.46 | recstecs | do you need a special windows kernekl? |
| 11:48.51 | teraflops | nope |
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| 11:49.11 | recstecs | do you need to compile anything special? |
| 11:49.13 | teraflops | but I strongly suggest installing virtIO drivers |
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| 11:49.30 | teraflops | on the guest |
| 11:49.41 | recstecs | i see |
| 11:49.57 | teraflops | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Windows_Virtio_Drivers |
| 11:49.58 | recstecs | sounds like the guestthingy on vbox |
| 11:50.28 | recstecs | i am not a full linux noob |
| 11:50.38 | teraflops | not really, but you can make that comparison |
| 11:50.41 | recstecs | but need to get used to it again |
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| 11:51.06 | recstecs | i better note your name |
| 11:51.15 | teraflops | ^ |
| 11:51.15 | recstecs | are you in this room on a general base? |
| 11:51.44 | recstecs | i could need some of your knowledge :-) |
| 11:51.56 | teraflops | I used to be here, but theres no need to ask to a nick directly since people is pretty capable here |
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| 11:52.20 | teraflops | use* |
| 11:52.30 | recstecs | hi lesik |
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| 11:52.42 | recstecs | do you write books? |
| 11:52.43 | lesik | hello recstecs |
| 11:52.57 | lesik | recstecs: no |
| 11:53.02 | recstecs | oki |
| 11:53.50 | recstecs | german ha |
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| 11:56.03 | recstecs | do you use kvm on debian? |
| 11:56.07 | recstecs | teraflops, |
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| 12:02.46 | teraflops | recstecs: yes I do |
| 12:02.47 | teraflops | heh |
| 12:02.57 | DaffyDuck_ | Hi; how does one find out what Lua-version was used to build mod_lua? (lua seems to be statically linked). |
| 12:03.04 | teraflops | recstecs: virt-mamager |
| 12:03.22 | recstecs | i have read that kvm is much faster |
| 12:03.34 | recstecs | i have a i7-2600k and 32gb memory |
| 12:03.39 | recstecs | and i find vbox slow |
| 12:03.44 | DaffyDuck_ | Are there build-logs for all apt builds somewhere? |
| 12:03.51 | teraflops | recstecs: try it and see, that's the best advice I can give you |
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| 12:04.00 | recstecs | maybe it is the hard disk drive wihich is only a notebook 1tb drive 2,5" |
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| 12:04.37 | recstecs | say teraflops can i run that kvm from a usb-stick |
| 12:04.42 | teraflops | a 5200 rpm notebook's hd is slow if you have one of those |
| 12:05.02 | recstecs | i could try an ssd |
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| 12:06.16 | recstecs | do you think a 3tb seagate drive will improve performance? |
| 12:06.51 | drkn0x | just any 3tb? Your space will increase for sure. |
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| 12:07.22 | drkn0x | Sorry, late to the conversation. |
| 12:07.34 | recstecs | was not about the space |
| 12:07.34 | teraflops | what improve performance is sata vs ide, sata vs usb etc. for the storage (where the vm image is stored) |
| 12:07.55 | recstecs | of course it is sata |
| 12:08.11 | drkn0x | sata3, sata6? |
| 12:08.24 | recstecs | 3 |
| 12:08.50 | recstecs | i do not think that it will make a difference as the max is like 200mb/s |
| 12:08.55 | recstecs | its not a ssd |
| 12:09.06 | teraflops | recstecs: then it will perform fine, regarding read/write speed |
| 12:09.12 | recstecs | yes |
| 12:09.51 | recstecs | but i agree to your opinion that thew 5400rpm and the i/o of a notebook hard disk maybe a bottle neck thats what my though is |
| 12:09.52 | teraflops | windows does a lot of silly read/write all the time |
| 12:09.59 | recstecs | yes |
| 12:10.12 | recstecs | you cant change its behaviour to swap |
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| 12:10.27 | recstecs | that what sucks about windows aswell |
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| 12:10.40 | teraflops | well I do not really care much about windows to be fair |
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| 12:11.06 | recstecs | i have to maintain one of my old windows to switch over to linxu slightly |
| 12:11.19 | recstecs | unforunately |
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| 12:12.50 | recstecs | what hardware is the base of your debian system teraflops |
| 12:12.59 | teraflops | recstecs: many |
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| 12:13.41 | recstecs | do you think i can setup a testsystem with debian kvm on a thumb drive? |
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| 12:16.59 | topik_ | i'm trying to install a package1 which depends on package2 (without specifying version) using apt-get -f install package1 |
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| 12:18.13 | topik_ | i get the message "package has unmet dependencies: package '1 : depends: package2 but it is not going to be installed |
| 12:18.46 | topik_ | yet apt-get install package2 works |
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| 12:27.04 | multilingual | i have installed jessie, lightdm and MATE on my computer and i use it in english. i will share the computer with 3 other people. Each one of them speak only their own native language (spanish, french and portuguese). i want those users to use the graphical user interface and all its applications in their respective language. How can this be done? |
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| 12:30.03 | Arone | TGIF ? |
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| 12:31.12 | drkn0x | Once I pull an SLA out of thin air for my organization, then it will be! Otherwise.. OSIF. |
| 12:31.15 | recstecs | oh god, why do so many linux guys have to be into conspiracy theories |
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| 12:31.22 | recstecs | gott lass hirn regnen |
| 12:32.36 | drkn0x | Not sure about the linux guys and conspiracy stuff. I know more Tin foil hat windows users than linux folks. |
| 12:32.56 | recstecs | okay |
| 12:33.08 | recstecs | i met most here lol |
| 12:33.19 | recstecs | but i did not mean to insult you |
| 12:33.33 | drkn0x | Where is that? I am in California, USA.. Paranoid capital of the US. |
| 12:33.34 | recstecs | just cant believe how many guys are into that stuff nowadays lol |
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| 12:34.19 | recstecs | everytime i get into a personal talk here on irc they start up that crap lol |
| 12:34.29 | drkn0x | On that, I agree. And funny, I just binge watched Mr. Robot, so technically, I should be into Conspiracies. LOL |
| 12:34.29 | recstecs | cal is the capital of that? |
| 12:35.13 | recstecs | drkn0x, do you use debian? |
| 12:35.37 | drkn0x | Well, feels like it sometimes. "The Government wants us all on Drugs to control our minds" or "Contrails are poisoning us." etc. |
| 12:35.42 | SynrG | multilingual: the graphical login manager should have a means to select the language when logging in |
| 12:36.02 | recstecs | ouch |
| 12:36.03 | SynrG | multilingual: that preference should remain associated with that user's login each time they subsequently login |
| 12:36.14 | recstecs | please drkn0x |
| 12:36.18 | drkn0x | And dear lord if Vandenburg AFB (Towards the coast) does a test launch, folks loose their shit. |
| 12:36.18 | recstecs | dont do that lol |
| 12:36.35 | drkn0x | restecs Please/ |
| 12:36.59 | SynrG | recstecs & drkn0x, please take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 12:37.07 | drkn0x | Roger, sorry. |
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| 12:37.24 | recstecs | oki |
| 12:37.30 | SynrG | thanks |
| 12:37.35 | recstecs | welcome |
| 12:37.46 | recstecs | i asked something but got no answer |
| 12:38.16 | SynrG | re setting up a test system with debian kvm on a thumb drive? all things are possible ... |
| 12:38.17 | recstecs | do you think i can setup a test system with debian kvm on a thumb drive? to test and see if kvm is faster than vbox? |
| 12:38.38 | drkn0x | SynrG I think attempted to answer you. |
| 12:38.40 | recstecs | yeah but will this system limit something? |
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| 12:38.49 | SynrG | I used to have virtualbox on a thumb drive. i don't know why kvm on a thumb drive would be any harder. |
| 12:38.50 | drkn0x | Oh, to that Question, Yes. |
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| 12:39.04 | SynrG | limit? oh, definitely. you want a very fast thumb drive |
| 12:39.29 | drkn0x | I've run off a USB3 drive (Kali) in KVM. Performance was not all that great, but it worked. |
| 12:39.52 | SynrG | anyway. try it and see |
| 12:41.20 | SynrG | multilingual: additionally, there are language-specific packages per application for a few key applications (libreoffice, web browser) so i assume you know how to find and install those. |
| 12:41.40 | drkn0x | ^ The ultimate answer for Linux, regardless of kernel or distro. Better to Try things out, test and play around. |
| 12:41.56 | SynrG | multilingual: so with those two things, you should be able to serve your users, each in their own language. |
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| 12:42.06 | recstecs | i do not mind to trust the experiences of others |
| 12:42.21 | recstecs | i do not have to redevelop the wheel |
| 12:42.23 | SynrG | my experience with "VM on a thumb drive" is that it is slow, but usable |
| 12:42.31 | SynrG | no specific experience with kvm |
| 12:42.49 | recstecs | did i state to put the vm on the thumb drive? |
| 12:42.53 | drkn0x | Nor do I, hence why folks are here. But just saying, when in doubt, try it out. |
| 12:42.54 | SynrG | the guest OS at the time was Win XP (several years ago) |
| 12:43.16 | recstecs | i said debian live from thumb |
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| 12:43.26 | recstecs | of course the vm would go on a different drive |
| 12:44.10 | SynrG | it's not what you literally said, no. not in the line that i read :) i didn't see "live" anywhere |
| 12:44.14 | SynrG | maybe you meant to say live |
| 12:44.22 | SynrG | or maybe that was earlier in the conversation i skimmed |
| 12:44.58 | recstecs | ok |
| 12:45.00 | recstecs | and now? |
| 12:45.24 | drkn0x | So your storing the .ova / .vmdk / etc on the thumb drive, pre-configured, and wanting to import it and maintain changes on that drive? |
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| 12:45.39 | SynrG | can you run virtualbox from a live system? i have heard it done by some other live user, yes. but i think they had certain ... complications |
| 12:45.57 | drkn0x | Yes, you can. |
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| 12:46.25 | egazz | so I updated the kernel on my Debian machine, and now X no longer starts automatically, and I can't get wireless to work |
| 12:46.31 | SynrG | but that may have been from putting the VM container file on the cow filesystem implemented on top of aufs (or overlayfs these days if you're on an up-to-date kernel) |
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| 12:47.18 | SynrG | but if you use "somewhere else" for the VM container, i'm sure running the VM off the live system could work |
| 12:47.27 | SynrG | again, try it and see. |
| 12:47.34 | SynrG | i have no experience at all with this specific configuration. |
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| 12:49.15 | drkn0x | @ Work, I use an iSCSI target for some of my VM's. So the 'Drive' is on another server/computer, and the hypervisor (virtualbox / xenserver / etc) reads it from there. If the gigabit switch goes down, I lose comms with that VM, but I provide it as an example that yes, you can put VM's virtually anywhere and still spark it up. |
| 12:49.59 | SynrG | egazz: it's too late right now for this to help, but if you check "share with other users" option for the network, it is usable even if the GUI doesn't come up, as NetworkManager will start it during boot |
| 12:50.11 | SynrG | there is, in fact, a command-line client for wifi ... |
| 12:50.25 | SynrG | it may be simpler for you to debug this by using ethernet instead, though |
| 12:51.05 | SynrG | nmcli can be used to control NetworkManager from the command-line |
| 12:51.09 | recstecs | virtualbox? |
| 12:51.16 | recstecs | i guess you do not read at all right? |
| 12:51.26 | SynrG | we know you're trying kvm |
| 12:51.31 | recstecs | didnt i wrote K V M ??? |
| 12:51.32 | SynrG | we're trying to help from what experience *we* have |
| 12:51.37 | SynrG | don't be an asshole |
| 12:51.47 | egazz | synrg: network manager won't run at all, and the applet for it no longer appears as an option in the panel (using xfce) |
| 12:51.57 | recstecs | thanks for your insult |
| 12:52.09 | SynrG | thanks for your condescension |
| 12:52.09 | recstecs | shows your IQ |
| 12:52.33 | SynrG | please be considerate to the help. and don't be shocked when you get a negative reaction when you mistreat them |
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| 12:53.08 | SynrG | egazz: the NetworkManager service is not running? |
| 12:53.19 | recstecs | you parents obviously failed to educate you manners |
| 12:53.22 | SynrG | egazz: any clues in system logs? |
| 12:53.36 | kdub | if I have version 1.4 in my debian/changelog, is it allowed that he next version is 1.3? (I'm guessing this is not possible) |
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| 12:54.09 | drkn0x | Not sure why you are even going off here. Folks were helping you before I entered the channel, I tried to assist as well. If you do not want help, there is always google. |
| 12:54.09 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I have a Cacti installation running on my Debian box. The Cacti sends emails. However, the 'Return path' variable is set as www-data@myhostname. This is not valid and I don't receive bounced emails, etc... Is there any way to force a normal email address to appear in that field? I use SMTP on localhost, which is Postfix, and it relays through my ISP's SMTP.... |
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| 12:54.57 | drkn0x | Great question. I guess since i listed 'virtualbox' as an example, the user flipped out because they were using kvm. |
| 12:55.24 | egazz | synrg: something borked my xfce install as a whole, I don't know. It no longer starts automatically, and am not sure why |
| 12:55.37 | SynrG | egazz: what's the last thing you did to it? |
| 12:55.53 | drkn0x | egazz: Even if you change your runlevel? |
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| 12:56.21 | egazz | synrg: updated the kernel |
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| 12:56.42 | egazz | drkn0x: I can start it manually after login, it just doesn't do it automatically |
| 12:56.49 | SynrG | egazz: does the previous kernel work? |
| 12:57.00 | SynrG | egazz: upgraded from what to what? |
| 12:57.30 | SynrG | on a stable system, normally, kernel upgrades would not break wifi ... |
| 12:58.00 | SynrG | for testing/unstable, there is #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 12:58.14 | egazz | synrg: from whatever jessie has by default to 4.5.0-2-grsec |
| 12:58.28 | SynrG | egazz: so the first thing is to fall back to the jessie kernel |
| 12:58.53 | jelly | 4.5.0-2-grsec does not look like something built for jessie |
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| 12:59.19 | egazz | jelly: it's in the repositories, so that would be unfortunate :) |
| 12:59.26 | SynrG | ,v linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-686-pae |
| 12:59.27 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-686-pae' was found in amd64. |
| 12:59.32 | SynrG | it's in backports |
| 12:59.33 | jelly | egazz, which repositories? |
| 12:59.38 | SynrG | sorry, wrong flavour :) |
| 12:59.38 | egazz | synrg: ok let me reboot and try that real quick, just a moment |
| 12:59.45 | SynrG | ,v linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64 |
| 12:59.46 | judd | Package: linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.5.7-1+grsec201606222150+1~bpo8+1 |
| 12:59.57 | egazz | that's the one |
| 13:00.09 | SynrG | or 686-pae from i386 |
| 13:00.11 | jelly | I wonder why the abi does not contain .bpo. |
| 13:00.16 | Heylo67 | hi, du i need to use root to recompile a linux-source from debian? |
| 13:00.24 | Heylo67 | *do i need |
| 13:00.42 | SynrG | jelly: strange inconsistency. ask the backports list? :) |
| 13:01.37 | SynrG | egazz: and i would say the next step is to figure out if maybe you need an updated firmware from backports for your wifi card |
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| 13:01.49 | SynrG | perhaps you do, and it wasn't upgraded along with the kernel |
| 13:02.10 | jelly | just asked their channel. |
| 13:02.19 | egazz | synrg: I had them but they weren't playing nice (would hard lock the computer on suspend). I saw it suggested that they were written for a higher kernel version, hence the upgrade |
| 13:02.39 | egazz | synrg: I've reinstalled firmware-iwlwifi since updating the kernel, to no avail |
| 13:02.40 | jelly | egazz, did you do the usual userspace fixes needed with grsecurity? |
| 13:02.43 | SynrG | egazz: "had them" <- ambiguous |
| 13:03.01 | SynrG | newer firmware package from backports? |
| 13:03.17 | egazz | synrg: no, what's in the main repository |
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| 13:03.30 | egazz | jelly: nope |
| 13:03.36 | SynrG | oh. so before the kernel upgrade you had wifi working without firmware? |
| 13:03.57 | egazz | synrg: no, it was working with iwlwifi. But that firmware was also causing issues with suspending |
| 13:03.58 | jelly | egazz, well, here's some news: running a grsec kernel isn't just "reboot into it" |
| 13:04.03 | SynrG | gotcha |
| 13:04.16 | egazz | jelly: I'm noticing :) |
| 13:04.32 | SynrG | so this is now out of my depth. i think i'll stop trying to advise you. :) |
| 13:04.34 | jelly | a bunch of common software needs to have workarounds to make it work |
| 13:04.42 | jelly | including the X server |
| 13:04.48 | egazz | that'd make sense |
| 13:05.00 | egazz | so is it worth messing with or should I just re-install a different version? |
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| 13:05.05 | SynrG | you should carefully consider if your use case is going to be worth all this extra effort to support using grsec. |
| 13:05.19 | egazz | probably not |
| 13:05.30 | SynrG | it sounds cool and all, but unless i had *very* specific user needs, i wouldn't want the headaches |
| 13:05.31 | jelly | we don't know what is worth for you |
| 13:06.12 | egazz | yeah I don't know as I have any specific need, no |
| 13:06.18 | egazz | so what's the safest way to revert? |
| 13:06.34 | egazz | (but I'd like to have a newer kernel version if possible, just to see if it plays better with iwlwifi) |
| 13:06.38 | jelly | egazz, you'll want to learn about paxctld (or the older paxctl) if you want to make some userspace software work |
| 13:06.53 | jelly | with a grsec patched kernel |
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| 13:08.01 | egazz | yeah that sounds like a project for a later date |
| 13:08.12 | egazz | for now, I'd just like to get the thing working properly again |
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| 13:09.08 | egazz | so is it as simple as installing a different version via apt, or is that going to cause more harm? |
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| 13:11.47 | jelly | yeah, pick a backport kernel that does not have "grsec" in the name |
| 13:11.55 | jelly | !bdo kernel |
| 13:11.56 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
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| 13:13.46 | egazz | ok, I'll try that in a moment (have to go into another room to be within range of an ethernet cable) |
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| 13:21.24 | egazz | jelly: apt won't do it |
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| 13:22.02 | egazz | jelly: I get an error message that it depends on "linux base >= 4.3" but that "3.5 is to be installed" |
| 13:22.18 | egazz | when trying to install the non-grsec linux-image |
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| 13:25.27 | egazz | trying to install a different version of the kernel (non-grsec), and I get an error message from aptitude that the wrong version of linux base is to be installed |
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| 13:49.49 | boreeas_ | I'm trying to pass env vars over ssh (ssh target TEST=hello ...) - If the remote command is 'env', TEST shows up, but if the remote command is 'echo $TEST', nothing is printed |
| 13:49.53 | boreeas_ | can someone explain that to me? |
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| 13:53.30 | steinex | boreeas_: hm, it's the same locally |
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| 13:53.39 | steinex | if you do TEST=hello && echo $TEST it works |
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| 13:54.36 | boreeas_ | hm, locally it works fine for me both ways |
| 13:54.39 | boreeas_ | remote, neither works |
| 13:55.03 | SynrG | boreeas_: correct. you would need to whitelist them |
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| 13:55.16 | SynrG | boreeas_: ssh has an option for saying what gets passed through from ENV |
| 13:55.21 | steinex | boreeas_: it does, if you quote it |
| 13:55.24 | SynrG | consult ssh_config man page |
| 13:55.29 | steinex | otherwise "echo $TEST" is run locally |
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| 13:55.35 | steinex | ~$ ssh markus 'TEST=hello && echo $TEST' |
| 13:55.36 | steinex | hello |
| 13:55.46 | SynrG | right. that should work fine |
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| 13:56.01 | missmbob | boreeas_: you probably just need PermitUserEnvironment in sshd_config |
| 13:56.10 | SynrG | otherwise use SendEnv option |
| 13:56.19 | steinex | i don't think it's an ssh issue here |
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| 13:56.41 | SynrG | well, it depends. in some contexts, modifying the payload (command) of ssh is a pain |
| 13:56.43 | steinex | i find it indeed interesting that this also doesn't work when run locally: TEST=hello echo $TEST |
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| 13:56.55 | blind | because the shell expands $TEST before the whole thing runs. |
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| 13:57.22 | boreeas_ | well, i mean |
| 13:57.29 | boreeas_ | works for me locally, that way |
| 13:57.42 | blind | after you defined TEST maybe. |
| 13:58.00 | boreeas_ | might be a zsh thing? |
| 13:58.09 | blind | ah maybe. |
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| 13:58.17 | blind | not sure the order of things with zsh |
| 13:58.36 | SynrG | ahhh ... SendEnv in isolation probably doesn't work (see missmbob's comment about PermitUserEnvironment needed in sshd_config) |
| 13:58.47 | Hello71 | it works the same way. you already defined TEST in a previous line |
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| 13:59.13 | boreeas_ | anyway, even if I quote the whole command to ssh, it doesn't work |
| 13:59.32 | boreeas_ | I guess I can just upload a shell script instead... |
| 13:59.36 | SynrG | actually, i think AcceptEnv is the relevant option |
| 13:59.43 | boreeas_ | since i don't have access to the sshd config |
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| 14:25.21 | SynrG | boreeas_: i don't think you need a script. you just need single-quotes so the variable expansion is deferred, i think |
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| 14:27.35 | bewbie | what is the package for paste something to particular paste site? |
| 14:27.36 | SynrG | boreeas_: local test case: |
| 14:27.38 | SynrG | TEST=hello sh -c 'echo $TEST' |
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| 14:27.42 | bewbie | there was a package for that? |
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| 14:31.12 | SynrG | boreeas_: remote test case: ssh localhost "TEST=hello sh -c 'echo \$TEST'" |
| 14:31.48 | SerajewelKS | bewbie: pastebinit |
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| 14:32.13 | bewbie | thanks |
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| 14:47.47 | Misa3l | hello |
| 14:48.13 | Heisen88 | any body test debian on Mac BookPro |
| 14:48.14 | Heisen88 | ? |
| 14:48.55 | babilen | Misa3l: Please don't /msg random people in this channel |
| 14:49.18 | SynrG | !mbp |
| 14:49.18 | dpkg | The MacBook Pro is a laptop series produced by Apple Inc., succeeding the PowerBook G4. http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro . See also <bcm4331>, <laptop>. |
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| 14:49.51 | SynrG | personally? no. and also, there are many models, with different hardware, so if you're having issues, we need to know exactly what. |
| 14:49.51 | Arone | TGIF ? |
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| 14:50.30 | Heisen88 | i just want to make sure i'm triying to find the right linux distro for my mac |
| 14:50.42 | SynrG | from my prior experiences with MBP, issues tend to fall into two categories: grappling with EFI, and grappling with Wifi :p |
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| 14:51.51 | SynrG | (but no, that wasn't debian) |
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| 14:53.43 | rattking | I have Debian on a mac book pro 8,3 and due to the hybrid graphics (ati/intel) it was a serious pain. and I am not sure if I remember how I did it |
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| 14:55.51 | rattking | I ended up disabling the ati chipset all together (in grub I think) and just use the intel |
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| 14:56.49 | Heisen88 | that doesn't sound good at all |
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| 15:08.14 | SerajewelKS | i have an encrypted system with three LUKS volumes, each containing an LVM physical volume. the LUKS volume containing / is encrypted by passphrase, the others by keys stored in /etc. |
| 15:08.39 | SerajewelKS | i just moved /usr to its own LVM and now the system won't boot; it seems to be waitin for /usr to mount before proceeding, but it needs to open the LUKS volume containing /usr first. |
| 15:08.59 | SerajewelKS | and /home is a separate volume too. that was working before. |
| 15:09.15 | SerajewelKS | is there some issue with having /usr on a separate volume in this scenario? |
| 15:12.03 | SerajewelKS | when it drops me to the initramfs shell, i can recover by running cryptsetup to open the LUKS volume containing the LVM PV containing /usr |
| 15:12.08 | SerajewelKS | i'm just confused why this isn't happening automatically |
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| 15:13.31 | SerajewelKS | is there something i need to configure so that this happens? |
| 15:13.38 | SynrGy | Heisen88: except 8,3 is rather old. also, anecdotes don't necessarily make good predictors of success for you unless they are for exactly the same hardware and exactly the same Debian release. |
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| 15:14.26 | recstecs | hi guys is it normal that formating a 1.5tb hard disk drive with ext4 takes about 5 minutes? |
| 15:15.08 | croddy | that sounds pretty fast to me |
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| 15:16.35 | recstecs | i am used to ntfs fast format |
| 15:16.43 | recstecs | is it because of the inode allocation? |
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| 15:20.51 | jelly | recstecs, it's normal unless you have a decent storage backend (ssd, or a raid10 with a dozen separate disks, or a hw raid controller with lots of cache) |
| 15:21.15 | recstecs | thanks jelly |
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| 15:21.27 | recstecs | is it because of the inode thing? |
| 15:22.02 | jelly | it's some of the metadata, I do not know which bit. |
| 15:22.21 | recstecs | ok |
| 15:22.46 | recstecs | if i will partition and format a new disk |
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| 15:23.29 | recstecs | i want to mount it and give my user the right to read and write on it |
| 15:23.35 | SerajewelKS | i'm just not even sure how to debug why the system won't boot with /usr on a separate encrypted volume |
| 15:23.59 | recstecs | do i only chmod the mount directory? |
| 15:24.00 | jelly | if you're on debian 8, the initial mkfs is relatively fast and some of the metadata creation is delayed and done only after the first mount |
| 15:24.17 | jelly | (search for "lazy" in mke2fs manual) |
| 15:24.17 | recstecs | i used gparted |
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| 15:24.50 | jelly | then ask gparted people about their mkfs settings |
| 15:24.54 | recstecs | better to use mkfs.ext4 ? |
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| 15:25.38 | jelly | all the tools use mkfs.ext4 (= mke2fs) underneath to make an ext4 fs, it's just their choice of settings that may be different |
| 15:25.51 | recstecs | ok |
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| 15:25.54 | recstecs | thanks jelly |
| 15:26.11 | jelly | if it's finished now, that's it, no reason to do it again |
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| 15:26.31 | recstecs | oki |
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| 15:26.54 | complib | anyone have experience with exim4 and dovecot setup? |
| 15:27.01 | recstecs | i want to copy data from an ntfs disk to ext4 disk |
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| 15:33.17 | SerajewelKS | it seems that the initramfs cryptsetup process refuses to process volumes that are unlocked with key files. is there a way to change this? |
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| 15:35.23 | bartosz_ | I want to automate something using xdotool but still want to be able to stop it (especially when something goes wrong). What would be the best way to do it? |
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| 15:36.37 | SynrGy | bartosz_: define 'it'. the automation, or the result of the automation? |
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| 15:37.38 | monkey_trauma | Question: when you run apt-get update and it connects to the servers in your sources.list file, what server port does it connect to? |
| 15:37.40 | SynrGy | bartosz_: if it's the result (e.g. signalling specific processes to stop), that can be determined by looking up pids of things that are launched |
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| 15:38.15 | SynrGy | if it's the script doing the call to xdotool, you could 'set -e' and return non-zero status if something doesn't work out |
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| 15:38.29 | SynrGy | (assuming it's called by a shell script) |
| 15:38.32 | bartosz_ | The way I thought would be to run it as long as some key is not pressed, but I don''t know how |
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| 15:39.02 | bartosz_ | (with xdotool it's very easy to loose control over keyboard and mouse) |
| 15:39.06 | SynrGy | i would set up a trap in the script and signal it when i want it to terminate |
| 15:39.22 | SynrGy | i see |
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| 15:40.20 | bartosz_ | It once took me 15 minytes to get a script to stop because I couldn't even do ctrl+alt+F1 and it interfered with every window manager shrtcut I could iagine |
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| 15:41.10 | bartosz_ | So I would like something that doesn't require me to switch to other window or type anything/click anything |
| 15:41.18 | SynrGy | bartosz_: maybe put hardcoded sleeps in the script |
| 15:41.29 | SynrGy | so it doesn't completely monopolize the event queue |
| 15:41.41 | bartosz_ | The reason for automating it is to make it as fast as possible, I'm trying to reproduce a raare bug |
| 15:41.43 | SynrGy | very tiny fractional second sleeps |
| 15:41.48 | greycat | You want to... do something... but you aren't allowed to accept mouse or keyboard input as the trigger. |
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| 15:41.58 | SynrGy | the actual delay doesn't need to be large |
| 15:42.04 | bartosz_ | I can accept a single key but it needs towork from any window |
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| 15:42.06 | SynrGy | just large enough to get a word in edgewise, so to speak |
| 15:42.35 | greycat | Your window manager can probably be configured to intercept a specific keystroke in every context. fvwm definitely can. |
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| 15:42.44 | bartosz_ | I know xinput can do it |
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| 15:43.06 | bartosz_ | xinput test 10 show all pressed keys |
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| 15:43.56 | plasmoduck | Eggdrop needs a config file to run. For an example, have a look at eggdrop.conf which is distributed with Eggdrop. |
| 15:44.02 | plasmoduck | Where for the love of God is eggdrop.conf located? I cannot find any clear instructions in the man page about it apart from " |
| 15:44.06 | plasmoduck | ^ |
| 15:44.23 | greycat | Presumably you create it with a text editor. |
| 15:44.39 | greycat | I've never run an eggdrop bot though. |
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| 15:45.25 | SynrGy | if irc is for the impatient, perhaps the eggdrop developers had no faith in people's abilities to read man pages and therefore didn't bother? :) |
| 15:45.31 | digdilem | plasmoduck, long time since i used it, but iirc - examples are in /usr/share/eggdrop somewhere, and you'd put them either in your home dir, or whereever you want and you'd specify their path with a switch |
| 15:45.32 | SynrGy | read the source |
| 15:45.49 | digdilem | it's quite common to simply steal someone else's eggdrop.conf off the web though |
| 15:45.53 | plasmoduck | Thats it |
| 15:45.56 | SynrGy | (also you could file a minor doc bug on it) |
| 15:46.01 | plasmoduck | Thanks |
| 15:46.09 | SynrGy | might help the next poor hapless soul |
| 15:46.14 | SynrGy | bug + patch, even better |
| 15:46.17 | plasmoduck | I remember it's been this way in Debian for years and years |
| 15:46.19 | bartosz_ | xinput --query-state device shows all key states, I will try to use that |
| 15:46.23 | plasmoduck | over a decade |
| 15:46.31 | SynrGy | plasmoduck: smells like an opportunity to help make Debian better :) |
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| 15:46.36 | digdilem | that's abouyt the last time i used eggdrop, r :) |
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| 15:47.15 | digdilem | there's probably better ways to help debian that working on eggdrop.It's old, horrible, and better options are often available |
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| 16:02.27 | bartosz_ | for my automation solution, I got it working this way: until xinput --query-state 10 | grep -q "key\[37\]=down"; do echo "do_thing"; sleep 1; done |
| 16:02.32 | ar_ | a question? why many of servers use centos instead of debian-based distros? i love debian |
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| 16:03.48 | greycat | CentOS is also very popular with people who run stable servers. Nothing wrong with that. |
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| 16:06.07 | ar_ | thanks greycat.. but why? i want to know the reason... centos is stable and debian is stable.. both are open srouce both are community based both both both... |
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| 16:07.25 | missmbob | ar_: a lot of it has to do because it's based on rhel. their enterprise support is pretty great. makes it attractive |
| 16:08.59 | teclo- | ar_: well I love Debian GNU/Linux too, but... many businesses use CentOS... like missmbob says... |
| 16:09.08 | detha | ar_: with centos it is easier to automate things. it also gives fewer surprises on updates. |
| 16:09.14 | teclo- | CentOS is "like RHEL except you don't have to pay for it" |
| 16:09.17 | SynrG | ar_: in the RHEL world, there are some ridiculously long guarantees of support |
| 16:09.23 | greycat | Most hosting companies provide multiple Linux options. So go with one that gives the option you want. |
| 16:09.24 | teclo- | SynrG: that, too |
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| 16:10.03 | detha | centos also has some ancient versions of stuff by default |
| 16:10.12 | ar_ | dear @detha i am disagree with you |
| 16:10.35 | ar_ | because debian's updates are very stable and there is no surprising thing |
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| 16:11.28 | teclo- | to me Debian GNU/Linux updates are stable and without surprises too |
| 16:11.36 | ar_ | yes |
| 16:11.40 | greycat | !jessie samba |
| 16:11.40 | dpkg | A security update in jessie upgrades Samba to 4.2. The NEWS.Debian.gz file has some errors. See <http://bugs.debian.org/820983> for the correct instructions. Win XP clients use NTLM by default; to switch them to NTLMv2 you will need admin, and follow <https://www.imss.caltech.edu/node/396> depending on which XP it is. |
| 16:11.49 | greycat | Occasinally you get one of those. |
| 16:11.57 | teclo- | greycat: that is indeed correct |
| 16:12.15 | teclo- | fixing holes in Samba required force-upgrading to 4.2 |
| 16:12.23 | detha | ar_: <anecdotal>I run both; in >10 years I have had one centos centos break something in tomcat. I have had plenty debian things break behaviour on my desktop</anecdotal> |
| 16:12.35 | ar_ | so, good and contracted support is main reason for using RHEL distros.. yes? |
| 16:12.56 | greycat | detha: comparing server and desktop isn't quite fair though |
| 16:13.00 | teclo- | ar_: that is one of the reasons, also RHEL has certifications |
| 16:13.04 | ar_ | but centos has not any supports.. am i wrong? |
| 16:13.10 | ar_ | redhat enterprise has |
| 16:13.24 | teclo- | ar_: well RHEL has decent support |
| 16:13.25 | ar_ | centos has community based support and debian has too!! |
| 16:13.29 | SynrG | ar_: and "good" is a mushy term. |
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| 16:13.45 | SynrG | people can contract with consultants to support debian in the long term |
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| 16:14.28 | teclo- | also RHEL might be a better choice with Linux advocacy, when you've got management telling "Hey Linux has no professionnal commercial support"... or "Hey Linux is free, that's not expensive enough" |
| 16:14.57 | blawiz | can one make urxvt -name foo override -e bar, so window title is foo instead of bar? |
| 16:15.40 | detha | greycat: true. but I have seen the effects of using debian-derivatives in a server role on projects with an 8-year lifespan. $$$ in maintenance cost |
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| 16:16.09 | greycat | debian derivatives also don't count |
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| 16:16.16 | teclo- | detha: who's billing that much ? |
| 16:17.40 | detha | teclo-: various conslutants. to fix stuff where APIs or kernel drivers 'just changed'. |
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| 16:19.23 | teclo- | detha: sounds weird... I'd say the biggest problem using Debian GNU/Linux for 8 years would be having about 4 dist-upgrades (or 4 clean installs) |
| 16:19.55 | teclo- | detha: but with enough knowledge and patience, it should work |
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| 16:21.00 | detha | teclo-: 4 dist-upgrades means 4 times re-certifying the whole she-bang. which takes 6 to 9 months, and a bunch of temps for a month or two to manually verify things. |
| 16:21.15 | TomTomTosch | but you don't need to upgrade every 2 years. squeeze got LTS till 2016. |
| 16:21.25 | sine0 | is there a debian casual channel |
| 16:21.38 | greycat | You'd probably skip a few dist-upgrades and leapfrog from, say, version 5 to version 9. |
| 16:21.49 | greycat | sine0: there's #debian-offtopic, why? |
| 16:22.03 | sine0 | that will do. I just want to chat about debian stuff that is not a question to be answered |
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| 16:27.27 | monkey_trauma | Question...why would I not be able to run apt-get update when connected to a public wifi spot? I confirmed I can ping common domains. |
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| 16:27.50 | LostSoul | Hi |
| 16:27.51 | greycat | what's the error you get? |
| 16:27.52 | SynrGy | monkey_trauma: does it catch fire? |
| 16:27.55 | LostSoul | I've got a qestion |
| 16:27.57 | LostSoul | question * |
| 16:28.07 | LostSoul | How to redirect cron messages to mail |
| 16:28.07 | SynrGy | monkey_trauma: or more usefully, greycat's question :) |
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| 16:28.30 | LostSoul | Actually I've got it turned on, I want to turn it off |
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| 16:28.33 | monkey_trauma | Hmm unfortunately I don't have the error any longer, but it was along the lines of can't connect. |
| 16:28.36 | LostSoul | Any tip? |
| 16:28.40 | greycat | LostSoul: do nothing special. All cron job output (stdout+stderr) goes to email to the job's owner. |
| 16:28.55 | SynrGy | monkey_trauma: so is it a "captive portal" wifi spot? if so, did you first open a web page and login? |
| 16:29.07 | SynrGy | that could cause failures |
| 16:29.24 | SynrGy | you might have only partial connectivity before you finish that process |
| 16:29.37 | monkey_trauma | SynrGy maybe that's the issue...which is why I tried pinging google.com, and that worked. |
| 16:29.49 | SynrGy | but google.com could be cached locally |
| 16:29.54 | SynrGy | so that's no good |
| 16:29.58 | monkey_trauma | Oh yeah? |
| 16:30.02 | monkey_trauma | Hmm didn't know that. |
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| 16:30.06 | LostSoul | greycat: So long on linux but I didn't know that, where can I find setting for that? |
| 16:30.12 | LostSoul | If you don't mind giving me a hint here |
| 16:30.43 | greycat | LostSoul: it's not a *setting*. It's how cron has worked for years and years before linux was even *conceived*. |
| 16:30.44 | monkey_trauma | So captive portal means I have to open a browser and click "Accept" on their thinggy? |
| 16:30.50 | SynrGy | yes. |
| 16:31.08 | monkey_trauma | Ok thanks. |
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| 16:31.38 | greycat | bot will kick me for this but it's worth it. HP-UX man page for crontab says: |
| 16:31.41 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.42 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.42 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.42 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:32.49 | LostSoul | greycat: Sure I get it but I have it somehow redirected to some mailing list |
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| 16:33.01 | LostSoul | How can I live it on local computer only |
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| 16:33.19 | greycat | LostSoul: test this: echo testing | mail "$LOGNAME" |
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| 16:33.29 | greycat | does it go to YOU, or is it forwarded to this "mailing list"? |
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| 16:35.34 | circ-user-w7XT4 | is any package that we can install on RHEL but not on Debian-based distros? |
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| 16:53.47 | multilingual | i have installed jessie, lightdm and MATE on my computer and i use it in english. i will share the computer with 3 other people. Each one of them speak only their own native language (spanish, french and portuguese). i want those users to use the graphical user interface and all its applications in their respective language. How can this be done? |
| 16:55.50 | circ-user-w7XT4 | multilingual you should use program resources |
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| 17:03.51 | multilingual | arash, sorry? how? what coomands? |
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| 17:06.29 | SynrGy | multilingual: i gave some advice earlier. |
| 17:06.51 | multilingual | and i told you it did not work |
| 17:07.12 | SynrGy | i missed that. |
| 17:07.17 | multilingual | will be back soon |
| 17:07.17 | SynrGy | what part didn't work? |
| 17:07.48 | jhutchins | I'm not sure multilingual understands how irc works. |
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| 17:08.08 | SynrGy | i'd have mentioned generating locales, but they didn't stay :p |
| 17:08.19 | SynrGy | that might be the only issue. |
| 17:08.37 | SynrGy | and i'm soon to leave for a walk, so ... |
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| 17:09.07 | bartosz_ | every time I want to add something to $PATH on different linux installation something doesn't work... what is the best way to do it that will always work, for both interactive and noninteractive, login and non-login shells and graphical environment for all users? |
| 17:09.22 | jhutchins | SynrGy: He was told about that yesterday. |
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| 17:10.01 | jhutchins | bartosz_: Use a standard, existing folder instead of adding to $PATH |
| 17:10.10 | greycat | bartosz_: There isn't any way that will ALWAYS work for ALL users in ALL shells in ALL desktop environments. |
| 17:10.11 | SynrGy | well, they will only get as good help as they provide info for (or wait around to hear and really listen) |
| 17:10.26 | SynrGy | you can lead a horse to water ... |
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| 17:10.50 | blind | but it's hard to drown them |
| 17:10.51 | greycat | bartosz_: but as jhutchins says, symlinking all the programs into /usr/local/bin/ is often a great solution |
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| 17:15.00 | bartosz_ | I always forget location of /usr/...what was it? |
| 17:15.49 | greycat | what? |
| 17:16.41 | coolbuntu_ | bartosz_, its just that |
| 17:16.49 | bartosz_ | on one machine I got /opt/bin added to path and I remember this location. But I just can't remember /usr/local/bin/ |
| 17:17.01 | greycat | /opt/bin is nonsensical |
| 17:17.23 | greycat | It's not how the /opt file system is supposed to be used. It would be like having /home/bin/ |
| 17:17.34 | bartosz_ | It made more sense to me that as some tutorial suggested adding each program in /opt to PATH separatet |
| 17:17.56 | bartosz_ | (sorry for bad typing, I hate this keyboard) |
| 17:18.06 | jhutchins | bartosz_: Therer are wonderful tutorials all over the internet that will totally trash your system. |
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| 17:18.12 | jhutchins | bartosz_: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 17:18.15 | greycat | So you made /opt/bin/ a symlink farm to /opt/FooBar/bin/ and /opt/BloatCrap/bin/ and so on? And then you added /opt/bin/ to PATH in various places? |
| 17:18.40 | bartosz_ | I somehow got it working by addint in in one place somewhere in ~/ |
| 17:18.40 | greycat | It would have been a lot easier just to /usr/local/bin/ as the linkfarm since it's already in PATH. |
| 17:18.51 | bartosz_ | but only for one user |
| 17:19.15 | SynrGy | yeah. what greycat said. that's what i do |
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| 17:19.50 | SynrGy | or in some cases, crap in /opt doesn't need to be in PATH (e.g. only launched via GUI launcher; just see if the installer put a .desktop file somewhere accessible) |
| 17:20.18 | SynrGy | e.g. in /usr/local/share/applications preferably |
| 17:20.19 | bartosz_ | I will just try to remember /usr/local/bin, ad I want things in opt to be in path because I usually want to be able to start them with simple command |
| 17:20.36 | greycat | *.desktop files are a thing I intend to delay learning as long as I can possibly get away with. Maybe they'll just die and go away before I ever have to learn them. |
| 17:20.39 | SynrGy | fair enough |
| 17:20.48 | SynrGy | heh |
| 17:20.59 | SynrGy | they're xdg, and here to stay i think |
| 17:21.19 | jhutchins | greycat: It will all go into the systemd registry soon enough. |
| 17:21.23 | SynrGy | they're a fair sight better than debian's *.menu |
| 17:21.27 | bartosz_ | I never used .desktop files... for me they kind of look like hybrid is normal scripts and windows shortcuts |
| 17:21.31 | SynrGy | jhutchins: don't joke! |
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| 17:21.35 | SynrGy | shudders |
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| 17:22.01 | SynrGy | they may not be perfect, but they do solve a problem |
| 17:22.10 | jhutchins | bartosz_: Very much like Windows shortcuts from what I've seen. |
| 17:22.31 | SynrGy | i like the ability to locally override things (unlike windows shortcuts) |
| 17:22.36 | SynrGy | so functionally, much more powerful |
| 17:22.42 | SynrGy | even if superficially similar |
| 17:22.44 | arash | Is there any commercial and official support from debian community? |
| 17:22.53 | arash | something like redhat support |
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| 17:22.59 | SynrGy | !consultants |
| 17:22.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, consultants is http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
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| 17:23.17 | SynrGy | you can't hire Debian to support you, though. |
| 17:23.17 | bartosz_ | except that I can't make .desktop file easly (at least i xfce) |
| 17:23.30 | greycat | Debian itself does not offer support contracts. |
| 17:23.35 | jhutchins | arash: Debian is more of a distributed community effort, there's no Master Corporate Entity behind it. |
| 17:23.37 | bartosz_ | WHY THIS DAMN KEYBOARD SKIPS CHARACTERS |
| 17:23.39 | greycat | It'll all be third-party contractors. |
| 17:24.00 | SynrGy | bartosz_: it has character flaws |
| 17:24.04 | SynrGy | ba-dum, ching |
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| 17:24.46 | arash | jhutchins: I think it is a big problem in debian lovely distro.. Isn't it? |
| 17:25.26 | SynrGy | arash: do you see thousands of users leaving debian or not using it in production situations because of this? |
| 17:25.31 | SynrGy | so no, it's not a problem. |
| 17:25.39 | arash | many of enterprises decide to use redhat (rhel) only and only for perfect support of redhact co |
| 17:25.40 | teraflops | bartosz_: I have a 5 usd keyboard that does the same ^ |
| 17:25.41 | SynrGy | it's a feature, not a bug. |
| 17:25.47 | abrotman | teraflops: usb? |
| 17:25.52 | teraflops | yep |
| 17:25.52 | SynrGy | arash: so let them |
| 17:25.53 | bartosz_ | I just realized that in this computer I actually have debian testing... |
| 17:26.09 | teclo- | arash: if you want redhat, go buy redhat |
| 17:26.13 | SynrGy | debian is not for everyone. it couldn't be as awesome as it is if it provided commercial support contracts |
| 17:26.29 | SynrGy | it's part of its values. its character. |
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| 17:27.44 | teclo- | if you don't like Debian GNU/Linux don't use it |
| 17:28.20 | arash | teclo: o that was not response of my question!!!! i dont want to buy redhat.. i love debian.. Now.. exactly now i'm using debian in my laptop... I ask this because i love debian |
| 17:28.30 | teclo- | however I've seen in the past many many cases of thousands of users leaving some product, but it never happened with Debian, and I started with Debian 2.0 |
| 17:28.55 | teclo- | arash: well Debian has a social contract |
| 17:28.56 | SynrGy | arash: if what you're saying in a round-about way is "I can't sell Debian to my superiors because it does not offer commercial support", then invest some effort into a different sales pitch to your superiors. |
| 17:29.05 | SynrGy | arash: or else, don't recommend Debian to them if you can't do that. |
| 17:29.16 | SynrGy | !why debian |
| 17:29.16 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 17:29.27 | SynrGy | ^^ something along these lines |
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| 17:31.47 | arash | No i dont decide to sell distro to anyone! i'm a programmer and not tech support for OS... I just asked for understanding the main reason |
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| 17:33.14 | arash | centos and all of rhel distros have a major pros : Support, quaranteed support |
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| 17:33.59 | arash | but why we have a lack in debian about a guaranteed support? |
| 17:34.55 | arash | Is it advantage? how you can say it is advangate when it causes maaaany enterprises leave it to rhel destination only for a official support? |
| 17:35.24 | greycat | Doesn't matter whether it's a "disadvantage" or not. Debian (SPI) is not going to offer paid support contracts. They are not interested in that goal. |
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| 17:35.48 | coolbuntu_ | arash, money corrupts. |
| 17:36.49 | bartosz_ | Which grub version debian uses by default? |
| 17:37.35 | greycat | ,v grub-pc |
| 17:37.36 | judd | Package: grub-pc on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze2; wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.99-27+deb7u3; jessie-security: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; jessie: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; sid: 2.02~beta2-36; stretch: 2.02~beta2-36 |
| 17:37.40 | arash | coolbuntu_ i agree, but it is not only about dollars and money.. it is about a assured good quality and 24/7 support.. which it will give a good confidence for enterprise stackholders to choose debian over other distros |
| 17:37.41 | coolbuntu_ | did https everywhere change its icon in chromium? |
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| 17:38.21 | coolbuntu_ | arash, but then they might think they are entitled to controlling aspects of debian. |
| 17:38.48 | teraflops | arash: take it as an opportunity. run your own business doing support for debian |
| 17:40.33 | arash | coolbuntu_ Are enterprises that pay for redhat support.. controlling the future of this distro and all rhel distros? |
| 17:40.33 | SynrGy | arash: if you're only asking about it in the abstract, then i think you'll never really understand it. |
| 17:40.42 | SynrGy | arash: watch how it works in action and you'll understand the benefits of the way we do things. |
| 17:40.58 | SynrGy | arash: for example, i use Debian in my business. it works fine. we like the control it gives us. |
| 17:41.08 | SynrGy | arash: we also very much appreciate the strong community support |
| 17:41.13 | SynrGy | it meshes well with our needs. |
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| 17:41.43 | arash | teraflops good idea :) |
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| 17:42.02 | SynrGy | this is not the place to argue "Debian is excellent. all it needs is _____." If you have a really good idea to make Debian better, then start making it better with action! |
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| 17:42.06 | arash | teraflops but i'm a 3rd party person.. i think debian needs official and direct support |
| 17:42.23 | SynrGy | but do pay attention to the culture we have, and learn how Debian works. |
| 17:42.27 | teraflops | God noo! |
| 17:42.32 | coolbuntu_ | arash, i consider redhat gov't, corporate, and russian controlled spyware. |
| 17:42.33 | Barteks2x | What happened to #debian-next? |
| 17:42.36 | SynrGy | your plans to make Debian better will go much better when you do. |
| 17:43.02 | greycat | Barteks2x: it's on the OFTC network, not freenode |
| 17:43.05 | teraflops | my God no was for arash ^ |
| 17:43.15 | SynrGy | this has ceased being a debian support topic. can we take it to #debian-offtopic if we want to continue, please? |
| 17:43.46 | Barteks2x | wait, so there is debian channel on freenode and on oftc? |
| 17:43.59 | SynrGy | yes. irc.debian.org == irc.oftc.net |
| 17:44.07 | Barteks2x | When I was able to join this channel on freenode I thought I just remembered it wronf |
| 17:44.10 | SynrGy | this is the unofficial #debian channel |
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| 17:44.44 | SynrGy | !tell Barteks2x about oftc move |
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| 17:45.19 | arash | ok thanks friends.. thanks for all responses..Many thanks |
| 17:45.49 | Barteks2x | thanks for that, I thought the whole time I'm on the channel that is on oftc |
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| 17:48.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confuse Barteks2x |
| 17:48.15 | dpkg | No, those was our pants yesterday, Barteks2x? Lederhosen of the People's Republic of Liechtenstein with extra crabpaste. |
| 17:48.19 | SynrGy | :) |
| 17:50.31 | Zliba | cooldude, redhat why russian? |
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| 17:51.17 | SynrGy | Zliba: itym coolbuntu_, who is now sm00th |
| 17:51.37 | Zliba | yes |
| 17:51.58 | SynrGy | Zliba, sm00th: also, if you want to talk about this, #debian-offtopic is the place for it. |
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| 17:53.27 | sm00th | SynrGy, I killed the discussion as usual haha |
| 17:53.36 | prussian | debian-offtopic? |
| 17:53.37 | sm00th | Zliba, people like fenrus02 |
| 17:53.42 | prussian | is that on oftc as well? |
| 17:53.49 | greycat | #debian-offtopic is here |
| 17:53.50 | SynrGy | prussian: yes. both networks have one |
| 17:53.57 | prussian | it is? |
| 17:53.57 | prussian | o |
| 17:54.04 | SynrGy | but join the one here for discussions that start here. |
| 17:54.07 | greycat | or join both of them if you want |
| 17:54.09 | prussian | ah |
| 17:54.11 | prussian | I did |
| 17:54.13 | marinintim | hi. I have update-initramfs fail everytime I do something with apt due to insufficient space. What can I do? How can I make sure that I've deleted previous image? |
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| 17:54.19 | prussian | no one seems to be on oftc |
| 17:54.33 | greycat | marinintim: df /boot, ls /boot, etc. |
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| 17:56.12 | x86iac | blames all the problems on prussian |
| 17:56.20 | prussian | thats fair |
| 17:56.25 | prussian | I'm pretty blameful |
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| 17:57.51 | marinintim | hm, autoremove didn't clean up old images. |
| 17:58.22 | greycat | that's correct, it wouldn't |
| 17:58.32 | greycat | you can dpkg --purge them if you want |
| 18:00.01 | x86iac | prussian: dillinger lives matter? |
| 18:00.31 | x86iac | ^^ btw can you repost your computer problem - i will help you |
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| 18:00.43 | sm00th | SynrGy, even fedora claims to maintain freedom and is considered a "free" os. But i consider it suspect. |
| 18:00.51 | sm00th | woops wrong window |
| 18:01.01 | SynrGy | np |
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| 18:02.46 | x86iac | sm00th: the only thing wrong with fedora besides it blatant push for selinux is that people use it |
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| 18:03.53 | x86iac | didn't snowden have some posts about microsoft infiltrating the linux institute starting in the dishroom at hq |
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| 18:05.44 | greycat | x86iac: please take this to #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:07.03 | prussian | x86iac: sure m8 |
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| 18:12.31 | x86iac | greycat: can't nothing but smart women and proficient coders there .. i won't stand a chance |
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| 18:15.00 | x86iac | i'm home ;) |
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| 19:03.10 | urand0m | how do i tell what window managers im using? |
| 19:03.28 | urand0m | i have multiple desktop environements installed |
| 19:04.35 | mutante | urand0m: ps aux | grep gnome would tell you if it's gnome, for example |
| 19:05.01 | mtn | gnome is not a window manager |
| 19:05.15 | mutante | he said desktop environments next line. whatever |
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| 19:05.36 | urand0m | mutante, im running xfce4 installed but i also have gnome installed i think, whats the difference between a window manager, desktop environment and display manager? |
| 19:05.39 | TomTomTosch | echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP" should work in general. |
| 19:05.40 | mtn | urand0m: what are you really talking about? like gnome, kde? or something else? |
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| 19:07.06 | urand0m | mtn, i installed multple desktop environments and window managers so i could figure out what i wanted to use and now theres pieces of each thing running |
| 19:07.20 | urand0m | i need to get rid of some things but i need to figure out what im running exactly |
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| 19:08.01 | urand0m | i also need help with my video driver, i keep getting some error about i need to run the non-free driver |
| 19:08.26 | mtn | urand0m: do you use a dm to login? if so, you choose your de or wm there |
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| 19:08.52 | urand0m | i havent had internet in since 2013 - so im a little behind in times ... any help would be greatly appreciated |
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| 19:14.30 | teraflops | urand0m: if you do xfce4 and you didn't change the default wm, I'm pretty sure youre running xfwm4 |
| 19:15.11 | urand0m | mtn, yes i use a dm.. gdm or xdm ithink |
| 19:15.14 | urand0m | how do i tell |
| 19:15.23 | urand0m | teraflops, i think i have many installed |
| 19:15.25 | mtn | urand0m: ps aux |
| 19:15.32 | teraflops | it doesnt matter ^ |
| 19:15.34 | greycat | Don't the packages conflict with each other? |
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| 19:17.07 | TomTomTosch | no, but you configure one to be active. |
| 19:18.10 | teraflops | urand0m: or give a try to `wmctrl -m` idk if it will say something useful there though |
| 19:18.10 | urand0m | teraflops, my pc takes forever to boot, will you help me figure out what i need and do not need? |
| 19:19.38 | TomTomTosch | urand0m: you can use for example 'systemd-analyze blame' to see what service took longest on startup. |
| 19:19.44 | teraflops | urand0m: well `systemd-analyze blame` is a good start, also systemctl --failed if something is borked |
| 19:20.17 | urand0m | here is my pstree http://pastebin.com/FpxadWup |
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| 19:20.42 | TomTomTosch | "gdm3" |
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| 19:21.19 | urand0m | TomTomTosch, doesn't gdm3 use a lot of system resources? |
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| 19:21.30 | greycat | no |
| 19:21.49 | TomTomTosch | ^ what he said. |
| 19:23.26 | teraflops | urand0m: or `systemd-analyze plot > plot.svg` for the fancy graphics one |
| 19:23.26 | urand0m | TomTomTosch, where do i find systemd-analyze? |
| 19:23.44 | TomTomTosch | urand0m: you type it into a command line. |
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| 19:24.16 | TomTomTosch | urand0m: start gnome-terminal for example. |
| 19:24.30 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.43 | teraflops | aww |
| 19:24.50 | crayon | any reason why gnu would be unable to show certain elements after an apt upgrade? http://cubeupload.com/im/W9zJE8.png http://cubeupload.com/im/AJaw82.png |
| 19:25.01 | greycat | of course that's not a thing it actually WAITs for... |
| 19:27.00 | urand0m | TomTomTosch, teraflops here is the output of systemd-analyze blame http://pastebin.com/wCRDLPdX |
| 19:27.14 | urand0m | how much of that crap do i not need? |
| 19:27.52 | urand0m | i dont even use virtualbox i suppose i could get rid of that vbox driverr |
| 19:28.00 | teraflops | urand0m: sorry I dont click pastebin.com links I dislike very much that service, sorry for the inconvenience |
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| 19:28.28 | urand0m | teraflops, what service do you suggest? |
| 19:28.33 | greycat | paste.debian.net |
| 19:28.40 | teraflops | â |
| 19:28.49 | greycat | Z |
| 19:29.02 | urand0m | teraflops, is paste.debian.net okay with you? |
| 19:29.06 | teraflops | sure |
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| 19:29.32 | urand0m | teraflops, so should i never trust pastebin links other people send me? |
| 19:29.48 | teraflops | urand0m: it's up to you |
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| 19:30.04 | urand0m | teraflops, how come you do not trust them? |
| 19:31.24 | teraflops | Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF line-endings. Ads, Spamfilters, Captcha, Adds whitespace, Slow, Ugly, No comment/annotate, Breaks copy/paste, Blocked for some people, etc. |
| 19:31.44 | teraflops | sorry for the diatribe |
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| 19:33.08 | jasonvw | Perhaps an odd question: Does anyone have a debian 4 x64 iso they might be able to upload somewhere? |
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| 19:33.22 | teraflops | paste.debian.net is fine, clbin, gist, ptpb, sprunge too |
| 19:33.31 | teraflops | ix etc |
| 19:33.50 | urand0m | teraflops, i will never use pastebin again. thank you for enlightening me :) |
| 19:34.18 | urand0m | teraflops, here is the output of systemd-analyze blame https://paste.debian.net/784124/ |
| 19:34.27 | teraflops | urand0m: you can use it if you want I just said I do not click on it |
| 19:34.50 | urand0m | jasonvw, how would you be able to verify the signatures? |
| 19:35.06 | urand0m | if coming from a third party? |
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| 19:35.13 | teraflops | is a matter of trust I suppose |
| 19:35.18 | jasonvw | beggers can't be choosers |
| 19:35.36 | jasonvw | PLus this is going to be debian 4 for all of 20 minutes. |
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| 19:35.51 | teraflops | urand0m: well just paste that thing ;) |
| 19:36.14 | jasonvw | I just need to get an openvz container to vmware so I can upgrade it. |
| 19:36.21 | teraflops | ah sorry I missed it |
| 19:36.31 | jasonvw | Unless y'all have a better way |
| 19:36.38 | TomTomTosch | jasonvw: have you looked here? https://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
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| 19:37.13 | jasonvw | Yeah, I'm having trouble finding something that isn't netinstall. |
| 19:37.25 | jasonvw | Which I don't suspect will work all that well. |
| 19:37.32 | TomTomTosch | why? |
| 19:37.41 | urand0m | teraflops, what package is wmctrl a part of? it says the command is not found |
| 19:37.42 | TomTomTosch | you just need to point the sources to the archive. |
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| 19:38.05 | teraflops | urand0m: you install it via apt/aptitude |
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| 19:38.47 | Stevie-O | packages.debian.org says that /usr/bin/wmctrl is installed by (surprise!) package 'wmctrl' |
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| 19:38.55 | teraflops | urand0m: if you dont use virtualbox just disable it, the same if you dont do pppd, same for the firewall (uwf) and exim is taking ages ^ |
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| 19:39.41 | urand0m | this might sound stupid but im going to try to use an analogy .. windows has services.msc and msconfig which are programs and configuration utilities for starting / stopping / disabling services from startup etc, what would the equivilent of that be in linux? |
| 19:39.45 | pie__ | hey guys, im on wheezy (yes still) |
| 19:39.53 | pie__ | how can i check what gnome version im running? |
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| 19:40.01 | teraflops | urand0m: systemctl |
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| 19:40.27 | TomTomTosch | pie__: dpkg -l gnome |
| 19:40.45 | pie__ | none apparently |
| 19:40.52 | teraflops | urand0m: if youre not used to it i strongly suggest you to read something light at least for the trivial start/stop/enable/disable bits |
| 19:40.55 | urand0m | teraflops, is there a gui for systemctl? |
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| 19:41.16 | teraflops | nope that Im aware of (in debian repos) |
| 19:41.20 | urand0m | teraflops, im going to google every single individual service and process , i wont blindly disable |
| 19:41.22 | pie__ | none apparently is 3.4 apparently |
| 19:41.23 | pie__ | ugh |
| 19:41.32 | teraflops | urand0m: do you use a modem? |
| 19:41.35 | pie__ | thats way low |
| 19:41.42 | Kobaz | mm modems |
| 19:41.43 | Kobaz | fun |
| 19:41.48 | urand0m | teraflops, i tether |
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| 19:41.58 | urand0m | from a mobile device |
| 19:42.00 | urand0m | wifi |
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| 19:42.46 | teraflops | that's not count as a modem, i mean pppd for adsl or sim card |
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| 19:43.26 | urand0m | teraflops, nope, how come? |
| 19:43.38 | teraflops | urand0m: no idea |
| 19:43.42 | teraflops | it's your system |
| 19:44.16 | pie__ | this isnt in the wheezy repos for some reason even though the site says it is http://gnomepomodoro.org/#download |
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| 19:44.22 | pie__ | so im trying to compile it |
| 19:44.25 | urand0m | teraflops, lmao...i see.. should i keep it incase i do come across a dsl connect somewhere? |
| 19:44.34 | teraflops | if not disable it, same for the firewall, if youre not using uwf disable it, same for virtualbox, about exim I'm not sure why it takes soo long |
| 19:44.56 | pie__ | but the gnome-3.14 branch needs a higher version of libgirepository1.0-dev than the one in the repo which is 1.32.1-1 |
| 19:45.00 | pie__ | it needs like 1.36 |
| 19:45.06 | urand0m | teraflops, im using UFW because i do not fully understand IPTABLES |
| 19:45.13 | urand0m | but id rather be using IPTABLES |
| 19:45.17 | pie__ | so what would be the highest version of this program i can install? i.e. which branch should i check out |
| 19:45.24 | teraflops | urand0m: perhaps you enabled it by mistake when using network manager? (pppd) |
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| 19:45.32 | teraflops | urand0m: then it's fine |
| 19:47.08 | rmeden1 | Hi gang.. I'm looking for Chris Butler. He used to be active on Debian... has anyone heard from him lately? Is he ok? |
| 19:47.10 | teraflops | urand0m: you still have the daemon, what I wonder is whats the point of having it enabled |
| 19:47.21 | urand0m | teraflops i have a network manager in my system tray, when i right click it, it says enable networking and enable wifi so the labels are broad, maybe enable networking enables pppd as well |
| 19:47.32 | urand0m | ? |
| 19:47.36 | teraflops | not by default |
| 19:47.54 | teraflops | that's the point of this conversation :P |
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| 19:48.28 | urand0m | so theres not gui for systemctl? |
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| 19:48.49 | teraflops | as i said I have no idea |
| 19:48.58 | urand0m | my bad |
| 19:49.17 | urand0m | i just woke up ^_^ |
| 19:49.33 | urand0m | havent had enough coffee |
| 19:49.55 | teraflops | that's fine, just take it easy |
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| 19:50.47 | urand0m | im reading the man page for systemctl it also says systemd(1), systemadm(1), journalctl(1), loginctl(1), systemd.unit(5), systemd.resource-management(5), systemd.special(7), wall(1), |
| 19:50.47 | urand0m | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.56 | urand0m | what do the numbers in parenthesis mean? |
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| 19:51.17 | greycat | section |
| 19:51.38 | greycat | see for example "man 1 intro", "man 7 intro" |
| 19:51.54 | urand0m | greycat, i see, thank you |
| 19:52.04 | urand0m | thank you all for your patience |
| 19:52.07 | teraflops | np |
| 19:53.03 | Reventlov | Hi. I found about https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694248;msg=20 . Is there anything new on this matter ? (libnacl-dev is pretty useless without randombytes.o) |
| 19:53.04 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/694248 in libnacl-dev (open): «libnacl-dev: /usr/lib/libnacl.a does not include randombytes»; severity: important; opened: 2012-11-24; last modified: 2013-08-13. |
| 19:53.37 | urand0m | steps away to read man pages before i ask more dumb questions :p |
| 19:53.39 | jhutchins | Reventlov: The bugreport is likely to be more current than people here. |
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| 19:54.51 | Reventlov | jhutchins: I just want to be sure, I'm not used to debian. |
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| 19:56.31 | jhutchins | Reventlov: WHile you may randomly run into a developer here who's working on a particular bug, mostly we're just fellow users, and if we're not on the bug thread... |
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| 19:57.18 | Reventlov | jhutchins: ok, goodbye then. |
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| 20:02.22 | __CoolGuy | I just install awesome and doesn't appear in the options to choose |
| 20:02.25 | __CoolGuy | what do i do? |
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| 20:04.22 | TomTomTosch | try restarting your dm. |
| 20:05.09 | __CoolGuy | dm? desktop manager? |
| 20:05.16 | __CoolGuy | how do I do that? |
| 20:05.20 | TomTomTosch | systemctl restart <yourdm>.service should do. |
| 20:05.21 | greycat | display manager. the thing you login through. |
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| 20:05.41 | greycat | !dm |
| 20:05.41 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app, <slim> and <lightdm> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>. |
| 20:05.53 | greycat | those examples need some updating, I think... |
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| 20:07.40 | greycat | dpkg, dm =~ s/<xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app, <slim> and <lightdm>/<lightdm>, <gdm3>, <xdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim>/ |
| 20:07.40 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 20:07.41 | __CoolGuy | I restarted and It doesn't work |
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| 20:11.50 | rmeden1 | Sorry to interrupt before, I'm looking for Chris Butler. He used to be active on Debian... has anyone heard from him lately? Is he ok? |
| 20:12.39 | rmeden1 | (BTW, I'm not a bill collector.. I'm with the XMLTV project) |
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| 20:12.55 | __CoolGuy | systemctl restart gdm3 |
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| 20:13.18 | __CoolGuy | I did that but doesn't work |
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| 20:13.37 | TomTomTosch | __CoolGuy: there seem to be problems with GDM/LightDM and awesome 3.4. you could try using a different DM. |
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| 20:14.40 | __CoolGuy | What manager is good? |
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| 20:18.33 | TomTomTosch | slim or wdm, it doesn't really matter. |
| 20:18.52 | TomTomTosch | or kdm is you have kde already installed. |
| 20:18.59 | TomTomTosch | s/is/if |
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| 20:32.40 | capsloth | how add ipv6 loopback address (::1) to loopback interface? |
| 20:32.49 | capsloth | *how to |
| 20:33.00 | capsloth | i'm using debian 8.5 |
| 20:33.49 | greycat | It should just *be* there already. |
| 20:34.07 | greycat | Do you not see ipv6 stuff in "ip addr show lo"? |
| 20:34.39 | capsloth | nops |
| 20:34.51 | capsloth | only 127.0.0.1/8 |
| 20:35.01 | greycat | Did you disable ipv6 support through some kind of sysctl command or editing some file? |
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| 20:36.11 | capsloth | my /etc/sysctl.conf has: |
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| 20:36.24 | capsloth | #net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=1 |
| 20:36.31 | capsloth | #net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_redirects = 0 |
| 20:36.37 | capsloth | #net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_source_route = 0 |
| 20:36.40 | capsloth | nothing more |
| 20:37.03 | greycat | !noipv6 |
| 20:37.03 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 20:37.05 | greycat | Did you do that? |
| 20:37.50 | greycat | If you did it should show up in "cat /proc/cmdline" |
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| 20:40.14 | capsloth | ok.. someone edited /etc/sysctl.d/20-network.conf |
| 20:40.28 | capsloth | net.ipv6.conf.lo.disable_ipv6 = 1 |
| 20:40.39 | capsloth | greycat, thanks! |
| 20:40.47 | greycat | that's not a file I have, so the whole thing was added. |
| 20:40.53 | urand0m | teraflops, still reading the man page for systemctl, when they refer unit or pattern ... what does that define as? |
| 20:41.00 | sypher | capsloth: Is this for a VPS? |
| 20:41.05 | urand0m | refer to* |
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| 20:41.35 | capsloth | yes |
| 20:41.39 | capsloth | sypher, yes |
| 20:41.50 | capsloth | sypher, is it some security measure? |
| 20:42.28 | sypher | capsloth: No, some VPS providers are idiots. I figured that was the case. |
| 20:42.49 | capsloth | sypher, hahaha.. ok |
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| 20:45.11 | urand0m | is there a pretend option for apt-get .. say i want to see what would happen if i apt-get remove packagename |
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| 20:45.49 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:46.25 | riceandbeans | so I got banned from #ubuntu |
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| 20:46.34 | riceandbeans | I told them this: |
| 20:46.37 | urand0m | greycat, what does --just-print do? |
| 20:46.39 | riceandbeans | I've learned over time, if you have an ubuntu question, don't ask here, ask in #debian and don't mention you're running ubuntu, 99% of the time they'll know and answer you and know what they're talking about |
| 20:46.41 | greycat | urand0m: man apt-get |
| 20:46.54 | greycat | riceandbeans: you are not a good person. |
| 20:46.57 | riceandbeans | lol |
| 20:47.21 | riceandbeans | sorry, but #ubuntu is more of an embarassment to ubuntu than the distro itself is |
| 20:47.41 | TomTomTosch | this is not the place for rants. |
| 20:47.55 | urand0m | greycat, okay, let me finish reading the manpage for systemctl first though or ill forget |
| 20:48.11 | riceandbeans | in other news, if you were host a mirror, where would the traditional filepath be for the hosting? |
| 20:48.20 | riceandbeans | I'm using aptly and hosting from /root/.aptly/publicc |
| 20:48.35 | riceandbeans | that's not what I'd like to do ultimately, but I don't know what's traditional |
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| 20:54.22 | Zliba | i just recompiled my kernel for UFS write support but upon mount, it says RO filesystem |
| 20:54.33 | Kobaz | was the cd finalized? |
| 20:54.58 | Kobaz | oh ufs right |
| 20:55.03 | Kobaz | thats the unixy filesystem |
| 20:55.06 | Kobaz | not the cd writer fs |
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| 20:55.44 | Kobaz | http://ghantoos.org/2009/04/04/mounting-ufs-in-readwrite-under-linux/ |
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| 20:58.45 | Zliba | already followed that ; kernel is compiled properly |
| 20:59.33 | Kobaz | do you have proc config compiled in |
| 20:59.43 | Kobaz | zcat /proc/config.gz | grep UFS |
| 21:00.27 | greycat | if the kernel was compiled The Debian Way there should be an UNcompressed config file with the kernel's version in the filename |
| 21:00.44 | urand0m | greycat, still reading the manpage for systemctl ... i just learned from my reading that you can start and stop services using systemctl, would systemctl stop sshd be the same as /etc/init.d/sshd stop? |
| 21:01.04 | greycat | urand0m: Yes. For now, both ways may work, because we're still in transition. |
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| 21:01.47 | greycat | Maybe. |
| 21:02.14 | urand0m | continues reading |
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| 21:02.50 | Zliba | Kobaz, proc config? |
| 21:03.01 | greycat | ... maybe not. Reading /etc/init.d/ssh I don't see anything that ties it to systemd. |
| 21:03.08 | Kobaz | yes, proc |
| 21:03.28 | Kobaz | a copy of all the configured options for the *current* running kernel (not the one you think is running) |
| 21:04.00 | Zliba | Kobaz, what's the precise kernel flag? |
| 21:04.04 | Zliba | of this proc |
| 21:04.58 | Kobaz | gotta find it |
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| 21:05.43 | Zliba | i didn't change defaults other than CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE=y |
| 21:05.43 | Kobaz | kernel .config support |
| 21:05.48 | Kobaz | CONFIG_IKCONFIG |
| 21:05.54 | Kobaz | i always build that in |
| 21:06.02 | Kobaz | i have no clue why distros don't do that by default |
| 21:06.13 | Zliba | not set |
| 21:06.20 | Kobaz | highly useful |
| 21:07.56 | urand0m | greycat, how do i see a log of my last boot? |
| 21:08.20 | greycat | You mean the current boot? journalctl. AND STOP PESTERING ME BY NAME DAMN IT. |
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| 21:08.27 | greycat | There's a whole channel/ |
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| 21:08.50 | Zliba | Kobaz, that won't solve my problem though. UFS write support is definately compiled in or it would throw me an error when I try to mount -o rw |
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| 21:09.13 | Zliba | greycat, halp |
| 21:09.18 | Zliba | lols |
| 21:09.31 | urand0m | i want to see everything that gets loaded when i boot into linux |
| 21:09.47 | Zliba | urand0m, turn off quiet booting you mean? |
| 21:09.49 | greycat | wonders what "loaded" means exactly |
| 21:10.05 | greycat | Did journalctl (as root, not as user) not give you enough info? |
| 21:10.25 | urand0m | Zliba, no, i have --quiet-splash disabled, i want to see it in a log somewhere so that i can have as much time as i need to look through it |
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| 21:11.59 | urand0m | journalctl gives me tons of info |
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| 21:16.41 | urand0m | my computer takes a few minutes to boot and load everything after logging in. can someone teach me how to figure out what i need and what i dont and what i can do to speed this thing up? i have plenty of resources , it shouldnt be this slow |
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| 21:17.56 | rhizome | urand0m: buy an SSD |
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| 21:18.20 | urand0m | rhizome, its not just that, there is a bunch of stuff running that doesn't need to be running |
| 21:18.41 | sypher | urand0m: Such as? |
| 21:19.20 | rhizome | chmod -x /etc/init.d/{daemon1,daemon2,daemon3} |
| 21:19.43 | urand0m | sypher, well i havent had internet in 3 years, so when i installed linux i installed a bunch of packages so that id have software because i didin't know what id need or not need and i only had a little bit of time. i installed multple display managers and desktop environments, gnome for example comes with many programs and tools |
| 21:19.44 | rhizome | probably something in defaults for that |
| 21:19.49 | urand0m | im running xfce at the moment |
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| 21:20.03 | urand0m | i think debian desktop environment is on here, xfce4, gnome, gdm3 |
| 21:20.09 | rhizome | window managers you're not using do not get run |
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| 21:20.35 | urand0m | rhizome, what about the tools that come with gnome? |
| 21:20.56 | rhizome | tools? like mahjongg? |
| 21:20.59 | `Kevin | urand0m: if you are on jessie you need to work through this list of enabled, systemctl list-unit-files |
| 21:21.13 | rhizome | there it is |
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| 21:23.00 | urand0m | `Kevin, i read the manpage for systemctl and systemd but i do not really know what i am doing |
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| 21:23.51 | `Kevin | fairly straight forward, look for enabled things in that list, look them up if you are unsure what they are then you can use systemctl disable {servicename} |
| 21:24.24 | `Kevin | i would work through that list and also check output from top + ps aux --sort rss (see what is using the most ram that can be disabled) etc |
| 21:25.32 | Zliba | i think UFS write kernel flag is broken in 3.16.0 |
| 21:25.42 | miss0r | I am quite puzzled here. I have a few VMs running on a quite unstable mix of two versions of debian. but that is beside the point(I hope). A few days ago we had a blackout, which caused the server to reboot. Now three of the VMs are unreachable by network. I can still access them with virsh. When running an arp-e on the host, I get some "incomplete" entries, on thoes exact machines. I have searched wide and far |
| 21:25.42 | miss0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.58 | urand0m | `Kevin, here is the output of systemd-analyze blame and pstree https://paste.debian.net/784133/ can you help me figure out what i need and don't need? |
| 21:27.00 | urand0m | `Kevin, i know i don't have a dsl / dial up modem so i don't need modem.manager service enabled right? |
| 21:27.01 | miss0r | important info: Qemu+kvm, runnig NAT network |
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| 21:27.44 | `Kevin | urand0m: i mentioned the use of ps to find heavy processes as that will make a major different, modem manager is very low hanging fruit that isn't going to make a noticeable change |
| 21:27.52 | `Kevin | difference/ |
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| 21:29.29 | multilingual | is there a way to configure firefox in order to play youtube videos at NO higher than 360p even if they are available at higher resolutions? |
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| 21:29.52 | urand0m | `Kevin, i must have overlooked it, how do i use ps to see which services or processes use the most resources? |
| 21:30.21 | `Kevin | urand0m: just a quick glance i think you need to look into your desktop environment configuration, im seeing gnome, kde, xfce4 pieces in pstree |
| 21:31.11 | urand0m | `Kevin, yes .. i want to get rid of it all, i just want to keep xfce4 . i think thats part of whats taking so long to boot and to load everything when loggin in |
| 21:31.16 | urand0m | how do i get rid of it all? |
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| 21:33.12 | Kobaz | Zliba: why a .0? |
| 21:33.20 | Kobaz | Zliba: there's plenty of updates since then |
| 21:33.21 | urand0m | i also want to switch to something other than gdm3, i like xdm but xdm doesn't let me choose which desktop environment i want to use |
| 21:33.33 | urand0m | xdm loads faster than gdm3 i think |
| 21:33.39 | urand0m | i want something that loads fast |
| 21:34.04 | TomTomTosch | then try lightDM |
| 21:34.24 | urand0m | `Kevin, can you help me get rid of all of the kde and gnome crap with out breaking anything? |
| 21:34.30 | urand0m | TomTomTosch, okay i will check it out |
| 21:35.44 | rhizome | urand0m: you'll have to go through dpkg -l | grep kde/gnome |
| 21:36.06 | `Kevin | ^ we cannot determine what you need / do-not need |
| 21:36.14 | Zliba | Kobaz, ok 3.16.7 |
| 21:36.45 | `Kevin | urand0m: how much ram do you have? |
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| 21:37.42 | urand0m | `Kevin, 4gb, im not sure if its ddr2 or ddr3 though. how do i tell if its ddr2 or ddr3? |
| 21:38.28 | rhizome | urand0m: you should be able to get a good first cut on what getting rid of kde/gnome would do by checking dependencies on kdelibs and libgnome |
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| 21:39.48 | urand0m | rhizome, heres the output of grepping kde in dpkg -l can i safely remove all of these packages? https://paste.debian.net/784134/ |
| 21:39.51 | `Kevin | post the output of ` free -g; ps aux --sort=rss ` |
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| 21:43.12 | rhizome | urand0m: apt-cache rdepends <pkgname> |
| 21:44.27 | urand0m | `Kevin, https://paste.debian.net/784136/ |
| 21:44.59 | urand0m | rhizome, and that checks the dependencies of the package im curious about removing right? |
| 21:46.12 | `Kevin | id guess that some slowness has todo with tracker thou im not sure exactly what it does |
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| 21:46.50 | urand0m | `Kevin, how do i figure out what package the tracker is a part of so that i can get rid of it? |
| 21:47.23 | `Kevin | guessing its gnome. use the command rhizome gave above |
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| 21:50.10 | flicflac | m.youjizz.net |
| 21:50.15 | `Kevin | yea its an indexer/db so it could scanning your disk on startup or something ? not sure i havent used it but if you do not use gnome search features to find files and such i would disable it as a first pass |
| 21:50.18 | flicflac | schoolproxy.org |
| 21:50.20 | `Kevin | flicflac: wonderful |
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| 21:51.53 | urand0m | `Kevin, i just ran the command trackerpreferences it is indeed indexing some stuff |
| 21:52.01 | urand0m | looks like an invasion of privacy maybe |
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| 21:52.41 | urand0m | `Kevin, its not needed right? |
| 21:53.13 | `Kevin | i dont know ive never used it, look at the dependancies based on the command rhizome provided and see if you use any of that |
| 21:53.25 | `Kevin | it depends on how you use your desktop |
| 21:54.18 | `Kevin | disable it, restart window manager, if you drop to a terminal re-enable it.. |
| 21:54.44 | urand0m | wow that kde crap installed an mysql server on here |
| 21:54.50 | urand0m | uninstalling it now |
| 21:55.27 | mtn | urand0m: sure hope you have good backups |
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| 21:56.19 | urand0m | mtn, ive got another laptop that works if i break something |
| 21:56.51 | mtn | urand0m: good. with what you are doing, it is likely you will be doing a reinstall soon :P |
| 21:57.11 | urand0m | mtn, i cant do a reinstall, i only get 5gb of data per month |
| 21:57.34 | urand0m | the data nazis killed my internet, i havent had internet in almost 4 years |
| 21:57.38 | urand0m | i live in the country |
| 21:57.44 | mtn | urand0m: in the future, if you want a minimal install, just install debian without the desktop option, then install only what you want after the main install is finished |
| 21:58.14 | mtn | urand0m: and how did you install all of those desktops, etc. without internet? |
| 21:58.27 | `Kevin | ^ |
| 21:59.12 | urand0m | mtn, i was at a friends with brief wifi, i didn't knwo the names of all of the packages i needed but i knew that all of the desktop environements cames packaged with a bunch of different software. i didn't have much time so i tried to grab as much software as i could |
| 21:59.46 | `Kevin | that explains it :) |
| 22:00.52 | urand0m | `Kevin, incase something happens when i reboot and i have no GUI can someone write me inststructions on how to connect to my hotspot from the shell? |
| 22:01.09 | urand0m | i have irssi so i can come back to irc |
| 22:01.36 | flicflac | grown ups 2 comedy |
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| 22:03.24 | `Kevin | urand0m: i dont know if you are using network manager or what to configure your wifi .. if so you might have some problems removing gnome |
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| 22:03.48 | urand0m | `Kevin, i think im using network manager |
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| 22:04.02 | `Kevin | you may want to look into using wpa supplicant or something else that is non gui |
| 22:04.24 | miss0r | I just had to do a reboot on a server 100miles away... sigh |
| 22:04.26 | urand0m | `Kevin, im not sure if i should remove all of gnome? i think im using the gnome-keyring? |
| 22:04.51 | `Kevin | urand0m: i wouldn't until you figure out your networking |
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| 22:04.57 | urand0m | `Kevin, ive noticed network manager or something else loads wpa_supplicant on here - i don't know much about it though |
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| 22:05.40 | `Kevin | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
| 22:06.12 | jelly | urand0m, if you use xfce, just disable gnome and kde compatibility in xfce's startup |
| 22:06.40 | urand0m | jelly, how do i do that? |
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| 22:07.15 | jelly | urand0m, it's somewhere inside xfce4-settings-manager, maybe session or autostart |
| 22:07.34 | jelly | I don't have an xfce system in front of me to check |
| 22:07.43 | flicflac | ooh |
| 22:07.48 | flicflac | coe! |
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| 22:08.11 | jelly | flicflac, do you have a debian support question? |
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| 22:09.16 | flicflac | There is no red sea at world! |
| 22:09.27 | flicflac | it is benn dissolved in ocean. |
| 22:09.36 | flicflac | been* |
| 22:09.58 | flicflac | said by chadian/z |
| 22:10.12 | flicflac | applying to kill |
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| 22:10.15 | urand0m | jelly, okay i found it |
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| 22:10.30 | urand0m | thanks.. it let me disable that tracker crap too |
| 22:12.09 | urand0m | `Kevin, i removed virtualbox, does that get rid of the drivers it installed too? |
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| 22:14.40 | Dirkson | Hey all. I have a copy of debian installed with a 'targeted' kernel on one computer, and I need to move the hard drive to another. Is there any easier way to do it than just reinstall? |
| 22:15.02 | urand0m | what is gdm.service? gnome display manager? i removed gdm3 and installed lightdm but systemd-analyze blame is showing gdm.service in its list |
| 22:15.52 | `Kevin | urand0m: that depends on the post install script, you would have to look into that in your kernel modules dir but i wouldn't go poking around there if you do not understand it well :P |
| 22:16.00 | `Kevin | post uninstall/ |
| 22:16.29 | urand0m | `Kevin, okay well ill brb, im gonna reboot and see what happens |
| 22:16.33 | urand0m | wish me luck |
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| 22:21.29 | urand0m | `Kevin, my computer booted up much faster, and the login was almost immediate, i did not need to wait nearly as long |
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| 22:22.34 | urand0m | `Kevin, the thing that hangs up the boot process the longest is when it loads the driver for my graphics card and tells me to use the non free driver and then it says something about kvm being disabled in the bios |
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| 22:24.27 | urand0m | `Kevin, did that error get logged to a file anywhere so i can show you? |
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| 22:25.12 | `Kevin | im familiar with it, its more informational than anything |
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| 22:27.23 | petn-randall | Dirkson: Change it back to general, run 'update-initramfs -k all', and you should be able to boot from another computer with it. |
| 22:27.47 | urand0m | `Kevin, i dont even have a printer, how do i disable cupsd and cups-browsed from starting with xfce or linux? |
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| 22:29.01 | miss0r | I am having a serious hard time here. after a reboot, my VMs are unabled to ping the gateway and the gateway can't ping them either. nothing works. I Have no idea what to do by now. Can someone please help me? (host is running debian, kvm+qwmu. Everything 'should' be setup to run NAT.) |
| 22:29.59 | `Kevin | look into systemctl disable |
| 22:30.01 | `Kevin | urand0m: |
| 22:30.09 | `Kevin | anyhow .. going afk |
| 22:30.26 | urand0m | `Kevin, one more question, how do i tell systemctl to list all services starting with linux? |
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| 22:33.38 | `Kevin | i dont think you like man pages, so look this over https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-systemctl-to-manage-systemd-services-and-units |
| 22:34.10 | urand0m | `Kevin, i read the manpage for systemctl word for word earlier |
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| 22:34.59 | TomTomTosch | try systemctl list-units | grep -i linux |
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| 22:36.51 | urand0m | thank you all for everything you have taught me today |
| 22:36.58 | urand0m | going to reboot again... brb |
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| 22:42.23 | Dirkson | petn-randall: Thanks! |
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| 23:06.08 | werwe | https://i.redd.it/6um66531guax.jpg |
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| 23:07.58 | TomTomTosch | !ops werwe NSFL pics |
| 23:08.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomtosch complains about: werwe NSFL pics |
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| 23:09.16 | werwe | lol https://i.redd.it/6um66531guax.jpg |
| 23:10.11 | logdog1 | Hey, after updating my debian stable to testing my xfce4 screensaver has gone away but instead im getting logged out after like 5 minutes ( To lightdm ) Do anyone know what controls this logout? |
| 23:10.55 | DalekSec | logdog1: I presume you now have 'light-locker' installed, and it's not actually logging out but just flipping to the greeter? |
| 23:11.02 | missmbob | !tell logdog1 about debian-next |
| 23:11.05 | TomTomTosch | logdog1: testing support is over at #debian-next on irc.debian.org |
| 23:11.08 | missmbob | shit |
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| 23:11.22 | TomTomTosch | ah well x) |
| 23:12.44 | logdog1 | Thx guys. hmm ye i get thrown out to the login screen. |
| 23:13.30 | logdog1 | Seems to be runing light-locker so you are probably correct :P |
| 23:13.35 | logdog1 | Tyvm |
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| 23:16.37 | ^v | why doesnt kvm-ok exist in the kvm packages for debian? |
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| 23:19.18 | TomTomTosch | that's a tool written by canonical. maybe it will make its way over at some point. |
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| 23:30.59 | ross` | what is the recommended method of installing roundcube on debian? |
| 23:31.23 | missmbob | ,v roundcube |
| 23:31.24 | judd | Package: roundcube on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.3.1-6; squeeze-security-lts: 0.3.1-6+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 0.7.2-9~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u3; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 0.9.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 0.9.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie-backports: 1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.2.0+dfsg.1-1; stretch: 1.2.0+dfsg.1-1 |
| 23:31.35 | missmbob | just apt-get install |
| 23:32.48 | ross` | so enable backports? |
| 23:32.56 | missmbob | i would |
| 23:33.18 | ross` | Do I enable backports for both debian and security? |
| 23:34.14 | TomTomTosch | backports has no separate security repo. |
| 23:34.22 | missmbob | ross`: no security. just the main one. https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 23:34.30 | TomTomTosch | hm, i wonder why it was removed from jessie. |
| 23:34.33 | ross` | missmbob: thanks! |
| 23:34.44 | zinx | TomTomTosch: probably security issues :/ |
| 23:35.20 | ross` | oh, so I need to add jessie-backports? NOT like this: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free backports |
| 23:35.38 | ross` | am I supposed to s/jessie/jessie-backports/ |
| 23:35.46 | zinx | no |
| 23:35.51 | missmbob | ross`: read the link i sent you |
| 23:35.56 | missmbob | ross`: it very clearly states |
| 23:35.57 | link | no |
| 23:36.09 | ross` | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main |
| 23:36.15 | ross` | so another line completely? |
| 23:36.17 | missmbob | yes. reading is power |
| 23:36.29 | zinx | missmbob: tl;dr |
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| 23:44.00 | TomTomTosch | ah, the maintainers abandoned it and they only found a replacement after jessie got frozen. |
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