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| 00:39.46 | drkn0x | Just an off the wall question, just asked myself "Can I run Kali 2016 off this 2011 mac mini server?" I think yes. Thoughts? |
| 00:40.02 | sm00th | dammit my debian can't play vimeo |
| 00:40.44 | sm00th | oh it can play dailymotion good |
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| 00:48.02 | alipoor90 | Hi, which of gnome-shell or gnome-session commands I should use for starting gnome from vt? what's the difference? |
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| 00:58.24 | chaddy | sudo service gdm3 stop|start|restart you mean? |
| 00:58.35 | chaddy | alipoor90: ^ |
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| 01:15.26 | t1 | Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.5; /msg dpkg 7.11 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
| 01:15.57 | missmbob | thanks t1 |
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| 01:16.30 | t1 | Seems I got a bad manual |
| 01:16.49 | jim | replace the transmission |
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| 01:17.36 | missmbob | preferably with deluge |
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| 01:48.23 | miesco | ,v gpg2 |
| 01:48.24 | judd | No package named 'gpg2' was found in amd64. |
| 01:48.29 | miesco | ,v gnupg2 |
| 01:48.30 | judd | Package: gnupg2 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.0.14-2+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 2.0.14-2+squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 2.0.14-2+squeeze3; wheezy-security: 2.0.19-2+deb7u2; wheezy: 2.0.19-2+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 2.0.25-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.0.26-6; stretch: 2.1.11-7; sid: 2.1.11-7; experimental: 2.1.12-1; experimental: 2.1.14-1 |
| 01:48.36 | missmbob | miesco: please /msg judd if it's just for yourself |
| 01:48.49 | miesco | missmbob: When will stretch be released? |
| 01:49.15 | missmbob | miesco: spring '07 |
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| 01:49.24 | miesco | 3007? |
| 01:49.57 | missmbob | i don't know what 3007 means. spring US 2007. no exact month. |
| 01:51.14 | miesco | missmbob: Its already passed 2007 |
| 01:51.26 | missmbob | miesco: sorry, typo. 2017 |
| 01:51.32 | missmbob | miesco: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch#Before_the_release |
| 01:52.22 | miesco | missmbob: Do you think gpg2.1 will be put in jessie-backports? |
| 01:53.14 | missmbob | miesco: almost sure it wont |
| 01:53.54 | TomTomTosch | ,checkbackport gnupg2 |
| 01:54.05 | judd | Backporting package gnupg2 in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libassuan-dev (>= 2.4.1);Build-Depends-Indep: libassuan-mingw-w64-dev, libgcrypt-mingw-w64-dev, libgpg-error-mingw-w64-dev, libksba-mingw-w64-dev, libnpth-mingw-w64-dev, libz-mingw-w64-dev, win-iconv-mingw-w64-dev. |
| 01:54.15 | TomTomTosch | wheeeeee. yeah it won't. |
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| 01:57.08 | ChuckFinley | exit |
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| 01:58.46 | missmbob | any benefit to using rscreen (from autossh) instead of something like ssh -t -o BatchMode=yes -o ServerAliveInterval=100 hostname "screen -dr" ? |
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| 02:25.39 | missmbob | fuck. not even ##linux has an answer. guess not. |
| 02:26.07 | miesco | How do I burn data to a dvd? |
| 02:27.36 | missmbob | miesco: you can use xfburn...k3b...brasero... |
| 02:27.48 | missmbob | all gui and easy |
| 02:27.54 | miesco | missmbob: Oh... gui? |
| 02:28.06 | missmbob | i figured that's what you wanted |
| 02:28.43 | miesco | missmbob: no... |
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| 02:29.10 | sypher | miesco: wodim. |
| 02:29.27 | awal1 | miesco, you can start from here https://wiki.debian.org/BurnCd |
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| 02:29.34 | missmbob | okay. then you can use wodim...really, a bunch of answers. google |
| 02:29.41 | shadows | ugh |
| 02:30.02 | awal1 | but, I believe k3b, brasero or xfburn is the easiest way |
| 02:30.09 | missmbob | certainly |
| 02:30.12 | shadows | the burning software belongs in a brown paper bag |
| 02:30.31 | awal1 | I use wodim in cli mode and it does the job |
| 02:30.34 | miesco | missmbob: I have been googling |
| 02:31.01 | shadows | miesco: Use cdrtools on a supported platform, not Debian. |
| 02:31.10 | shadows | that's what I'd recommend from experience |
| 02:31.11 | awal1 | k3b is the most powerfull gnu/linux tool I believe |
| 02:31.20 | miesco | shadows: Not debian? |
| 02:31.29 | joshty | have you guys heard that the father of debian recently died :( very sad |
| 02:31.55 | awal1 | recently? :D |
| 02:32.02 | joshty | yea |
| 02:32.08 | awal1 | months ago |
| 02:32.11 | missmbob | joshty: that's for #debian-offtopic and it's old news |
| 02:32.15 | shadows | it ventures into off-topic but the short answer is that some Debian developer people caused a lot of hurt feelings to the (very odd personality anyways of a) author for cdrtools |
| 02:32.18 | shadows | it's way old news |
| 02:32.23 | shadows | cdrtools is banned from Debian |
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| 02:32.33 | shadows | no one will touch it or discuss it with any integrity |
| 02:32.35 | joshty | old for me is years not months |
| 02:32.51 | joshty | such as 5 years |
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| 02:33.04 | missmbob | still offtopic |
| 02:33.05 | sypher | joshty: That's you, not everyone else. Not only is this old news, it's also off-topic, and was off-topic when it was current news. |
| 02:34.40 | sypher | miesco: As for your question, you've been given a link to the Debian documentation on burning discs. Since we're all chucking around anecdotal evidence, I've used wodim quite often, and it's never let me down. |
| 02:34.46 | joshty | its very sad though atleast we still have the community |
| 02:35.05 | shadows | miesco: so... referring to Debian, the cd-writing code "wodim" and "cdrkit" are questionable legality and anyways old not maintained since many years... they're deprecated to anyone who plans to do more than burn a mix-tape audio CD |
| 02:35.32 | shadows | that's my personal opinion |
| 02:36.33 | sypher | I don't believe that disc standards have changed enough since its last release to render it somehow obsolete. DVDs still use the same formats. |
| 02:36.34 | shadows | if you want a more current (but very alpha/beta progress in development) then you want the libburnia derived projects |
| 02:37.01 | shadows | that's if you're stuck using Debian. |
| 02:38.14 | shadows | for any serious project of importance that relies on writing to rotational optical media, I'd have to suggest doing research on cdrtools and find a supported platform (that is still open source... but Debian is incompatible) |
| 02:38.29 | awal1 | Where lxrand/arandr multi monitor changes are saved? |
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| 02:38.43 | miesco | Wait so I have to make a .iso and then burn it? |
| 02:38.57 | shadows | https://www.gnu.org/software/xorriso/ |
| 02:38.59 | awal1 | I dont see lxrandr/arandr stuff in /home |
| 02:39.11 | shadows | awal1: taking a guess .config/? |
| 02:39.14 | sypher | miesco: You're being sent down a ridiculous road, so you know. |
| 02:40.01 | awal1 | i noticied that openbox-session and fbautostart start that saved configuration but no clue how |
| 02:40.05 | sypher | miesco: https://wiki.debian.org/BurnCd - Here you go. Go forth and do great things. |
| 02:40.17 | awal1 | shadows, looked yet in .config and no trace |
| 02:40.23 | shadows | ah |
| 02:40.28 | shadows | it was just a wild guess |
| 02:40.32 | miesco | sypher: Okay thanks |
| 02:41.06 | shadows | things tend to be in ~/.config or ~/. or stored in the dconf database |
| 02:41.44 | miesco | Do I need to use -J (joilet)? |
| 02:41.50 | awal1 | xfce also can start the configuration saved by lxrandr but and dont where it looks exactly |
| 02:42.06 | awal1 | but I dont know ^ |
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| 02:43.26 | miesco | I don't want to use rock ridge or joliet... |
| 02:44.13 | miesco | Oh wait nvm |
| 02:44.27 | missmbob | yeah you probably want joliet |
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| 02:48.17 | joshty | sypher i sent you a message not sure if you got it |
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| 02:49.58 | awal1 | shadows, I checked again .config and yes it's there ~/.config/autostart/lxrandr-autostart.desktop |
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| 02:50.35 | awal1 | I always have seen the autostart directory but never looked what is it exactly :P |
| 02:51.01 | joshty | sypher nvm i gtg i might be back later |
| 02:52.08 | miesco | missmbob: No I don't want joliet, I want rock ridge |
| 02:52.27 | awal1 | so openbox-session and fbautostart starts lxrand-autostart.desktop file ;) |
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| 02:52.40 | miesco | Also, what if I want to generate an iso from one file as opposed to a directory? |
| 02:53.08 | urand0m | `Kevin, you still around? |
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| 02:55.56 | jmcnaught | missmbob: have you checked out mosh? |
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| 02:56.35 | missmbob | jmcnaught: as of about 10 mintues ago i'm using it :P just found out about it. kind of ashamed. thanks though mate :) |
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| 02:58.31 | jim | awal1, it's a good thing to become familiar with what's where on your disk,,, both with cd/ls/file <somefile> and by comparing what you see to the Filesystem Heirarchy Standard (fhs) which offers those who put distributions together what should go where |
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| 03:00.57 | miesco | Created a little thing for writing data to dvds: https://gist.github.com/ae35f1e6f6e6d4b17c328bba25559871 |
| 03:01.44 | awal1 | jim, yeah I do keep an eye on what happens in my system but not enough free time for be aware about all :P But thaks for the advise ;) |
| 03:02.48 | jim | you don't have to do it in like 1 8-hour sitting... |
| 03:03.48 | jim | and having said that, those are a few of the learning tools at your disposal |
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| 03:04.58 | miesco | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0, |
| 03:05.03 | miesco | Is this because I didn't use joliet? |
| 03:05.13 | awal1 | thanks, jim |
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| 03:07.47 | jim | welcome |
| 03:11.20 | miesco | "[796261.663378] FAT-fs (sr0): Can't find a valid FAT filesystem" |
| 03:12.23 | jmcnaught | miesco: why FAT? what command did you use to mount it? |
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| 03:13.08 | miesco | jmcnaught: [796335.331045] UDF-fs: warning (device sr0): udf_fill_super: No partition found (1) |
| 03:13.13 | urand0m | someone highlight me, im messin with my colors |
| 03:13.26 | miesco | jmcnaught: [796335.331042] UDF-fs: error (device sr0): udf_read_tagged: read failed, block=512, location=512 |
| 03:14.32 | jmcnaught | miesco: bash: [796335.331045]: command not found |
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| 03:16.07 | miesco | jmcnaught: Do you know why the UDF filesystem is corrupt? |
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| 03:17.26 | jmcnaught | miesco: what command are you using? |
| 03:17.55 | jmcnaught | miesco: are you specifying fat or udf? why not iso9660? |
| 03:18.12 | miesco | jmcnaught: I tried -t udf,iso9660 |
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| 03:18.31 | miesco | jmcnaught: mount -t udf,iso9660 /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom |
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| 03:19.42 | jmcnaught | miesco: what is the comma separation supposed to do with '-t'? |
| 03:20.38 | miesco | jmcnaught: I just burnt the dvd. Is it because I don't have the dvd codecs? |
| 03:22.02 | jmcnaught | miesco: where did you get '-t udf,iso9660' for the command to mount? does it work with '-t iso9660'? |
| 03:22.37 | miesco | jmcnaught: No it doesn't |
| 03:22.45 | miesco | jmcnaught: I tried all sorts of combinations, even vfat |
| 03:23.07 | jmcnaught | miesco: did you try without -t? |
| 03:23.36 | miesco | jmcnaught: Yes |
| 03:23.57 | miesco | mount: /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 03:24.00 | miesco | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0, |
| 03:24.11 | miesco | jmcnaught: It almost works, but then it doesn't |
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| 03:24.54 | jmcnaught | miesco: it would be easier to help you if you show the command you use and complete output every time, using a paste site if it's more than a 3 or 4 lines |
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| 03:25.41 | miesco | jmcnaught: It just shows that output every time |
| 03:25.44 | jmcnaught | miesco: what do you get from "file /dev/sr0" ? |
| 03:26.05 | miesco | jmcnaught: /dev/sr0: block special (11/0) |
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| 03:26.38 | miesco | jmcnaught: Oh it worked |
| 03:26.45 | miesco | jmcnaught: I just ejected the cd and put it back in |
| 03:28.45 | hiexpo | hey all I am on jessie and when I creat a launcher it launches xterm instead of my mate terminal how do I change this? |
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| 03:29.24 | jmcnaught | hiexpo: how did you create the launcher? which desktop environment are you using? |
| 03:30.46 | hiexpo | hi jmcnaught I am useing mate desktop and I just created it on the desktop where it says create laucher and I choose in terminal and that's what I get |
| 03:33.04 | jmcnaught | hiexpo: i don't use MATE but you could look at "update-alternatives --display x-terminal-emulator", or check MATE's settings menu for default applications |
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| 03:36.42 | hiexpo | jmcnaught, okay I checked update alternatives and it is set on auto how can I change that ? |
| 03:37.50 | jmcnaught | hiexpo: use "update-alternatives --config". there's more info on the man page. |
| 03:38.23 | hiexpo | jmcnaught, okay thank you |
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| 03:49.12 | mo1991reg | I'm having trouble gettin xfce power manager to reliably lock the screen after I close my laptop and reopen. it is set to suspend. Debian Jessie. not sure but may be related to running windows vm while suspending via laptop lid? Any ideas? |
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| 04:00.14 | mo1991reg | any suggestions, I am a long time debian and xfce user. I haven't run it on a laptop in a while, however. WTF, screen lock just stops working if you are running a VM machine. Seems a rather serious flaw. |
| 04:01.21 | awal1 | mo1991reg, you want to get xfce locking your screen before suspen and after a resume from suspend? |
| 04:01.49 | mo1991reg | yes, which it does fine, but vmware seems to screw it up?? |
| 04:02.56 | mo1991reg | meaning if I suspend, then power on, it asks for passwd. normal behavior |
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| 04:02.59 | awal1 | mo1991reg, is xfce settings -----» session and startup (not sure how it's called in english) do you have lock screen before suspend enabled? |
| 04:03.09 | mo1991reg | yes, i do |
| 04:03.13 | awal1 | ok |
| 04:03.26 | awal1 | so no clue about vmware vs xfce |
| 04:03.47 | mo1991reg | which is something i didn't have set before I looked into this, and i thought fixed the issue. but seems not to have fixed |
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| 04:05.09 | mo1991reg | I'm just guessing at this point that it is vmware related, as until I run a vm, locking seems to work fine, as I'm running debian stable and shit like this always works fine. |
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| 04:06.20 | Fat-Zer_ | hi, I can't find a doc describing aptitude search templates... |
| 04:06.43 | awal1 | i guess it's vmware related, bcoz all fine here with suspend & lock screen in xfce |
| 04:06.43 | mo1991reg | but it does seem that after I have a vm running as well, in full screen, etc, it somehow messes with xfce power manager, as it locks fine until vm starts. once vm is also running, it just comes out of hibernation and does not ask for lock password. not cool |
| 04:07.30 | Fat-Zer_ | *i may be wrong with the term |
| 04:08.15 | themill | !aptitude search |
| 04:08.15 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude search is a powerful searching facility that by default only searches package names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04.html (aptitude-doc package), http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html or ask me about <aptitude docs>. |
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| 04:08.48 | mo1991reg | awal1 - i'd have to agree, as I've run xfce on debian for many years, before jessie, and never had an issue. Just seems a big bug to have vmware somehow bypass such an important security feature. thus the wtf |
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| 04:09.33 | Fat-Zer_ | themill: thanks, I suppose it isn't included in form of man/info? |
| 04:10.05 | awal1 | mo1991reg, check the BTS or report a bug if itisn't reported somewhere yet... |
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| 04:10.42 | Rusty1_ | and of couse #vmware or possibly #xfce |
| 04:10.47 | mo1991reg | pretty crazy. even after vmware is shut down, still no lock screen |
| 04:10.54 | Rusty1_ | *of course |
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| 04:11.51 | mo1991reg | Rusty1_ Do you really think that would be an xfce bug as opposed to Debian bug? As we are talking debian stable here and lockscreens? |
| 04:12.47 | Rusty1_ | mo1991reg: i've no idea, just suggesting another avenue or two for help with it |
| 04:13.04 | Rusty1_ | wait here , ask there , up to you |
| 04:13.56 | mo1991reg | that's all good, I'm just really amazed that this bug exists two years after Jessie became stable. I just logged out, logged back in. Lockscreen works. If I run a vmware fullscreen it stops working. |
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| 04:16.05 | mo1991reg | I sort of have to believe it can't possibly be old trusty debian's fault :) |
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| 04:16.17 | mo1991reg | wtf |
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| 04:20.54 | mo1991reg | I guess I should see if this behavior is xfce related , or does this also happen with other WM's. |
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| 05:16.15 | superlinux | hi. |
| 05:16.37 | superlinux | one of my friends in syria is having issues with apt-get |
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| 05:17.34 | superlinux | the repository addresses are correct on his sources.list . I checked them so many times. and he cannot resume his download |
| 05:18.28 | superlinux | he is getting HTTP 302 errors |
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| 05:38.34 | awal1 | superlinux, try other mirrors |
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| 05:46.16 | bombig | ^^ |
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| 05:48.24 | urand0m | do i need exim4.service? |
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| 05:50.20 | jmcnaught | urand0m: lots of other services depend on a mail transport agent like exim4, but on a desktop it's probably not that useful to most people |
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| 05:51.05 | jmcnaught | urand0m: there are also alternatives to exim4, some that don't run in the background all the time like msmtp-mta and ssmtp. look at "aptitude search ~Pmail-transport-agent" for a list |
| 05:54.14 | ar_ | What you think about the future of debian in next 30 years? |
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| 06:00.01 | urand0m | sorry lost my net |
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| 06:00.57 | urand0m | i ran systemd-analyze blame and found this user@121.service what is that? |
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| 06:02.18 | jmcnaught | urand0m: what does "systemctl status user@121.service" say? |
| 06:02.33 | jmcnaught | and "id 121" |
| 06:04.14 | urand0m | jmcnaught, it says https://paste.debian.net/784162/ |
| 06:04.43 | urand0m | id121 is lightdm |
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| 06:04.48 | urand0m | id 121 * |
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| 06:10.52 | urand0m | do i need pppd-dns.service or exim4.service? what are they? |
| 06:13.02 | ar_ | I'm looking for a GUI system-wide proxy settings in XFCE... Would you please help me? |
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| 06:52.10 | dionysus69 | why is git not in jessie backports? |
| 06:52.25 | dionysus69 | that leaves me only with one option, to remove it and install it from official site. |
| 06:52.53 | dionysus69 | or do I have any other option? jessie stable version is 2.1.4 and official one is at 2.9.*... come on |
| 06:53.31 | hexnewbie | dionysus69: Get the source from stretch and attempt to build the package? |
| 06:54.15 | dionysus69 | how do i get source from stretch? go to site and download source? |
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| 06:55.07 | hexnewbie | dionysus69: That's one option. You could also add the deb-src line to sources.list and use apt-get source. |
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| 06:55.36 | themill | wonders what new feature is so cool that it is absolutely required |
| 06:55.54 | dionysus69 | i was told to use rebase flag and its not recognized |
| 06:56.07 | themill | "rebase flag"? |
| 06:56.13 | dionysus69 | --rebase |
| 06:56.25 | dionysus69 | git pull master --rebase for example |
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| 06:56.42 | themill | that works just fine in jessie |
| 06:56.48 | dionysus69 | nope it doesnt |
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| 06:56.54 | themill | uses it daily |
| 06:56.58 | dionysus69 | says rebase is not an option |
| 06:57.15 | dionysus69 | I have version 2.1.4 |
| 06:57.22 | dionysus69 | which one do u have? |
| 06:57.33 | themill | the version in jessie... |
| 06:57.35 | wiredPi | Hello |
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| 06:58.39 | hexnewbie | dionysus69: Instead of upgrading, try: git pull --rebase master |
| 06:59.14 | dionysus69 | git pull --rebase origin master |
| 06:59.15 | dionysus69 | worked |
| 06:59.23 | dionysus69 | thanks hexnewbie :) |
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| 09:45.15 | CtrlC | "canberra-gtk-play -i 'message-new-instant'says "Failed to play sound: File or data not found" How can I fix this? |
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| 09:47.17 | superbia | hola |
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| 09:52.02 | CtrlC | Anyone knows where I can get those files? |
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| 10:01.01 | CtrlC | No?:/ |
| 10:03.09 | jelly | CtrlC, it would be helpful if you could identify the actual file it tries to access |
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| 10:06.27 | CtrlC | jelly, idk what it is. |
| 10:06.35 | extor | has booted from a live usb as well as an install usb both of which were created by dd'ing the iso image to a usb stick. The problem encountered is the CD drive detection portion during the install process where it wants to find a standard CD drive and cannot detect it |
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| 10:12.43 | CtrlC | Alright. Installing sound-theme-freedesktop solved the problem. |
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| 10:21.35 | afx_ | I am using : "file mime-encoding some_file.srt" . the output is some_file.srt: encoding (e.g.utf8) .Can I somehow grab only the encoding for the file ? i.e. utf-8? |
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| 10:23.00 | afx_ | ok did it with -b |
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| 10:32.50 | spacebug^ | calendarserver (darwin) is not in jessie repos? |
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| 10:34.50 | TomTomTosch | ,checkbackport calendarserver |
| 10:34.52 | judd | Backporting package calendarserver in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 10:35.15 | TomTomTosch | spacebug^: you can build it from sid sources. |
| 10:35.25 | TomTomTosch | !tell spacebug^ about ssb |
| 10:35.55 | spacebug^ | thanx |
| 10:36.06 | joze | thcks |
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| 10:41.08 | ar_ | why many of hostings use rhel instead of debian? |
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| 10:44.37 | bazhang | good topic for #debian-offtopic ar_ |
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| 11:03.52 | spacebug^ | ehm.. my virtualbox has suddenly stopped working. I get segmentation error. "traps: VirtualBox[23090] general protection ip:7f48a54781f2 sp:7ffda1c92108 error:0 in libQtGui.so.4.8.6[7f48a5267000+aa3000]" from dmesg |
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| 11:07.50 | spacebug^ | oh well.. worked after reboot. Strange things started to happen once my cat walked on my power button, putting my computer to sleep :D |
| 11:08.37 | TomTomTo1 | blame it on the cat. classic. |
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| 11:09.01 | TomTomTo1 | x) |
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| 11:09.59 | spacebug^ | :) |
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| 11:22.55 | shtrb | anyone upgraded to kontact 16.04-3 (or up) and using IMAP + CAL/CARDDAV (is it safe to upgade ?) |
| 11:23.15 | shtrb | * because the plugin package is removed |
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| 11:25.16 | shtrb | ok I got an answer - no , that is not safe no more supported (DAV) https://bugs.debian.org/832048 |
| 11:25.17 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/832048 in akonadi-server (open): «akonadi-server: Contacts (DAV resource) are not displayed»; severity: important; opened: 2016-07-21; last modified: 2016-07-21. |
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| 12:28.29 | b6s3d | hi, all options in NetworkManger is grayed out when i choose a connection to edit |
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| 12:35.36 | shtrb | Does anyone here can suggest a 4G modem with a sim (not eSIM) that works with debian (preferrably FOSS only software) ? |
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| 12:40.38 | Amun_Ra | shtrb: I use Huawei E3372 in hilink mode |
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| 12:41.42 | shtrb | Amuna_Ra , did you need extra software (out of debian) to enable it ? |
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| 12:41.57 | Amun_Ra | shtrb: no |
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| 12:42.20 | shtrb | checks it's specs if it will work with my 4G / LTE providers |
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| 12:45.11 | shtrb | Amun_Ra, that looks it would actually work for me, can it work with stuff like wvdial, interact with MMS/SMS ? |
| 12:46.57 | Engys | what is that difficult to make libfreetype6-dev:i386 not colliding with libfreetype6-dev .. I see that the maintainer declared this as already fixed .. it is not! it was not fixed since wheezy and nothing has changed same goes for libpulse-dev:i386 with libpulse-dev |
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| 12:52.43 | Engys | I mean this is in bugtracker since 1 Apr 2012, I love Debian but this multiarch problems really hurts long enough |
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| 12:59.56 | Engys | I already began to create my own lib pool to use Debian like Archlinux, but mostly I fall back to Archlinux because I have not the time to fix this shattared Debian System |
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| 13:02.29 | teraflops | this is a joke right? https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO#Setting_up_apt_sources [...] quantal main universe⦠|
| 13:02.35 | Brigo | Engys, why would you use Debian like Archlinux? |
| 13:02.55 | babilen | teraflops: no |
| 13:03.31 | teraflops | babilen: what's wrong using actual debian repos instead ubuntu ones? |
| 13:03.32 | Brigo | some joker |
| 13:03.55 | tremon | teraflops: did you read the text above it? "This is very useful on Ubuntu's split archive. It is not normally necessary on Debian" |
| 13:04.03 | babilen | teraflops: The point they want to exemplify doesn't apply to Debian repositories which always ship all architectures |
| 13:04.10 | tremon | so it wouldn't make sense to give a debian-based example |
| 13:04.18 | babilen | Because it is pointless there |
| 13:04.45 | teraflops | babilen: so this is de ubuntu wiki? or just they are suggesting youre right using ubuntu repos? |
| 13:04.51 | teraflops | the* |
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| 13:05.26 | babilen | No, they show you how to restrict entries to specific architectures and do so in the context of Ubuntu as *their* repositories require this |
| 13:05.31 | teraflops | babilen: beacuse the same example works with debian repos (yes it's not necessary) |
| 13:05.48 | babilen | People might actually think they would have to do it on Debian |
| 13:06.05 | Brigo | teraflops, do you see any sense in Engys logic? |
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| 13:06.43 | teraflops | Brigo: perhaps, but the point is the issue is real, I already checked it |
| 13:06.54 | Engys | Brigo try to install libfreetype6-dev with libfreetype6-dev:i386 |
| 13:07.43 | teraflops | unless you dont need both pagkages since one of them work with both arch (idk) |
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| 13:09.02 | tremon | Engys: bug#? |
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| 13:09.48 | teraflops | babilen: I understand your explanation but *I* sincerely disagree with the example |
| 13:10.06 | superlinux | hi. who has root access here to the debian servers? It's very important. please remove the word "proxy" from the debian packages file names . some proxy servers are hindering the download of these files. |
| 13:10.42 | superlinux | i was going into a redirect loop |
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| 13:10.57 | Engys | teraflops ok and where I get my 386 dev packages if I need it on a 64 bit system? |
| 13:10.58 | superlinux | I just discovered that for a friend from syria |
| 13:11.25 | teraflops | 15:07:43 teraflops ⸠unless you dont need both pagkages since one of them work with both arch (idk) |
| 13:11.31 | teraflops | idk^ |
| 13:11.52 | superlinux | how can I send such a complaint? |
| 13:13.08 | tremon | superlinux: apt-transport-tor? |
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| 13:13.24 | petemc | perhaps contact the people running the faulty proxy servers |
| 13:13.29 | Engys | teraflops try to compile a wine git and you will see that you need i386 libs inside on an 64 bit system |
| 13:13.46 | teraflops | ah, then my guess was r0ng |
| 13:13.53 | superlinux | tremon, renaming would be better, don;t you think? |
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| 13:14.01 | tremon | I don't think |
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| 13:14.30 | superlinux | i think so because beginners don't know apt-get very well. |
| 13:14.30 | teraflops | superlinux: are you suggesting to avoid proxies because they are blocked in your friends country? |
| 13:14.36 | tremon | what you're suggesting would make that particular policy a global one |
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| 13:15.29 | teraflops | superlinux: better go complain to your friend's goverment? |
| 13:15.38 | b6s3d | old dns shown in /cat/resolv.conf after changes, what do |
| 13:15.49 | tremon | I would not want debian to police its package name policy based on the whims of every organization that wants to outlaw certain words |
| 13:16.29 | superlinux | no.. syrian local proxy is discovering the word "proxy" in the file names of the debian packages.. so I was not able to download the packages using apt-get. I had to redownload them somewhere else then force install them using dpkg. I was doing apt-get install kde-full |
| 13:17.13 | TomTomTo1 | then use apt-transport-https, use a mirror that supports https and they can't sniff your packages. |
| 13:17.19 | teraflops | b6s3d: what did you change and how? |
| 13:17.26 | petemc | a proxy having problems with files named proxy is a broken proxy |
| 13:17.27 | shtrb | superlinux , assume active MITM! |
| 13:17.36 | petemc | a poxy proxy |
| 13:17.38 | superlinux | the syrian proxy server is banning the download of the files. |
| 13:17.51 | superlinux | and it was taking me into a redirect loop |
| 13:17.53 | b6s3d | in nm and /etc/resolv.conf.d/tail and head |
| 13:17.57 | b6s3d | teraflops |
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| 13:18.46 | teraflops | b6s3d: why did you change it in both nm and /etc/resolv.conf.d/tail and head |
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| 13:19.22 | tremon | b6s3d: what does readlink -f /etc/resolv.conf show? |
| 13:19.23 | teraflops | b6s3d: do you do dhcp for getting your ip address? |
| 13:19.24 | b6s3d | it said, #this line can be replaced with head, and the buttom line said tail |
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| 13:20.29 | shtrb | TomTomTo1 , isn't apt-transport-https still prone for stripssl ? |
| 13:20.43 | b6s3d | readlink -f ... says /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf after i just installed resolvconf to try to fix the problem |
| 13:21.05 | b6s3d | teraflops, i think i have dhcp, but i do not use it for ip, i have a static ip |
| 13:22.08 | teraflops | b6s3d: well, apart from installing resolvconf you need to configure it |
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| 13:22.26 | TomTomTo1 | shtrb: you can look in the tracker of doom if you have the cvs. but it doesn't really matter in this case. |
| 13:22.32 | b6s3d | how do one configure it? |
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| 13:22.45 | b6s3d | teraflops ^ |
| 13:22.56 | Engys | looks like Debian love its root jails |
| 13:22.56 | TomTomTo1 | s/cvs/cve |
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| 13:24.06 | shtrb | TomTomTo1 , it is really easy to have stipssl and other tools , no need to search for a CVE |
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| 13:25.10 | tremon | b6s3d: man resolvconf says that all configuration paths are under /etc/resolvconf/, not /etc/resolv.conf.d/. did you edit the correct files? |
| 13:26.13 | b6s3d | i have edit base original head tails to be the same |
| 13:26.50 | b6s3d | in /etc/resolvconf/ too |
| 13:27.42 | b6s3d | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:28.39 | tremon | have you tried running resolvconf -u manually? |
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| 13:29.53 | b6s3d | yes, i think i fixed it by editing all the files in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/, and some things i might have done earlier to fix it |
| 13:31.22 | b6s3d | still won't remove the old one |
| 13:31.26 | b6s3d | well, gotta go |
| 13:31.27 | b6s3d | bbl |
| 13:32.42 | teraflops | b6s3d: you only need editing /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base and then resolvconf -u or just reboot |
| 13:33.07 | Engys | Brigo |
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| 13:34.04 | Engys | sry nevermind |
| 13:34.23 | Brigo | Engys, i have felt a great disturbance in the force ... someone should have called me |
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| 13:35.39 | teraflops | measures his midi-chlorians level |
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| 13:36.49 | Engys | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.56 | Engys | Brigo hope this calms the disturbance of the force |
| 13:40.18 | Brigo | Engys, i looks like it's better now :-D |
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| 14:06.26 | Elirips | Hello. I would like to allow user 'foo' to restart apache without password using sudo. After some googling, I came up with a sudoers entry like this: 'foo ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/service apache2 restart'. It works, but is it secure? What stands the ALL for? |
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| 14:18.21 | tremon | the first ALL is the host spec (i.e. on which machines does this line apply) |
| 14:18.48 | tremon | that's usually irrelevant unless you use the same sudoers file on multiple machines |
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| 14:21.49 | bipul | If we list file with ls -ls -la , we get total <number>, Do anyone tell me what exactly is this? |
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| 14:24.45 | Elirips | treehug88: thank you |
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| 14:44.49 | spacebug^ | Hum.. can't get calenderserver to install. MANY dependences that never gets satisifed |
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| 14:52.02 | babilen | spacebug^: Did you backport it and enabled jessie-backports? |
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| 14:53.32 | spacebug^ | probalby not because its not working :D I enabled the sid sources adn then apt-get build-dep calendarserver. Then apt-get -b source calendarserver. Then dpkg -i ./calendarserver_bla_bla.deb |
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| 14:55.13 | babilen | dpkg: jessie-backports |
| 14:55.13 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 14:55.31 | babilen | You might want "main contrib non-free" if you use those |
| 14:55.55 | spacebug^ | oh.. so not compile from source but instead use that . |
| 14:55.59 | spacebug^ | I'll give it a try |
| 14:56.01 | spacebug^ | thanks |
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| 14:56.46 | edgardoweb | HI |
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| 14:58.53 | spacebug^ | babilen: package does not seem to be in backports |
| 14:59.15 | babilen | Yes, that's why *you* backport it. You do, however, need dependencies from backports |
| 15:00.07 | spacebug^ | I'm lost.. what do I do? |
| 15:00.20 | babilen | You should now be able to install that package with "dpkg -i ..." and its dependencies with "apt-get -f install" |
| 15:00.26 | spacebug^ | Ah |
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| 15:01.35 | spacebug^ | still no luck :/ |
| 15:02.03 | babilen | Could you paste some output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 15:02.32 | babilen | Did you run "apt-get update" after adding backports to your sources.list ? |
| 15:02.48 | spacebug^ | yes |
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| 15:04.58 | ar_ | babilen yes it is required if you want to see latest package info after sources modification |
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| 15:05.22 | spacebug^ | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/784191/ |
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| 15:06.26 | babilen | spacebug^: I don't see the output of "apt-get -f install" in there |
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| 15:08.10 | spacebug^ | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/784192/ |
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| 15:09.35 | babilen | "Tar bort" ? |
| 15:09.56 | spacebug^ | "removes" in swedish |
| 15:10.25 | babilen | Interesting |
| 15:10.32 | babilen | "apt-cache policy" ? |
| 15:10.58 | babilen | And that package you install is the one you built yourself? |
| 15:11.26 | spacebug^ | http://paste.debian.net/784193/ |
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| 15:13.06 | spacebug^ | first I did not enable packports but only source from sid. Then I started with build-dep and -b suorce for 'calendarserver'. Then when it said it was dependencies missing I did the same for those.. but it just went on and on.. deeper down with dependecies.. so maybe somethign got screwed up in there? |
| 15:14.22 | babilen | Oh ... you went on with the dependencies? |
| 15:14.27 | spacebug^ | babilen: as you can see here http://paste.debian.net/784194/ I have tried to install some packaged from sid sources to meet dependencies |
| 15:14.32 | b6s3d | back, so my resolv.conf get the same dns ip as before i configured it, how do i get rid of the old dns ip and only use the new once |
| 15:14.32 | spacebug^ | yes.. tried |
| 15:14.48 | babilen | spacebug^: Oh shit .. |
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| 15:15.05 | babilen | judd: v twextpy |
| 15:15.06 | judd | No package named 'twextpy' was found in amd64. |
| 15:15.18 | spacebug^ | babilen: well its a virtualbox machine so I can just reinstall it if that might fix things? |
| 15:15.45 | spacebug^ | did not want to try this on my real machine since I did not really know what I was doing |
| 15:15.50 | babilen | Good :) |
| 15:15.52 | spacebug^ | :) |
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| 15:16.18 | babilen | Essentially all dependencies should be satisfied in either jessie or jessie-backports, so you shouldn't have to backport anythin apart from calendarserver |
| 15:16.36 | babilen | I guess what was missing was "jessie-backports" in your sources.list |
| 15:16.55 | babilen | What's that twextpy? |
| 15:17.02 | spacebug^ | babilen: ok. Well I'll try reinstall that machine and then do it right this time with backports and see how that goes. Thanks alot! |
| 15:17.28 | spacebug^ | babilen: something, something needed for somehting that calendarserver needed :) |
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| 15:17.44 | babilen | I'm not exactly sure what the status of you box is, but if it is easy to reinstall then, by all means, do that |
| 15:17.54 | babilen | judd: checkbackport calendarserver |
| 15:17.55 | spacebug^ | yeah I think so too |
| 15:17.56 | judd | Backporting package calendarserver in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 15:18.17 | babilen | judd: v python-twext |
| 15:18.18 | judd | Package: python-twext on amd64 -- sid: 0.1.b2.dev15059-1; stretch: 0.1.b2.dev15059-1 |
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| 15:18.55 | babilen | spacebug^: But I don't know .. if that really is a dependency it wouldn't be in jessie-backports either |
| 15:20.18 | spacebug^ | babilen: well first I did not use backports but only deb-src for sid.. and then calenderserver needed python-something, and that needed that packages.. or something like that |
| 15:20.39 | babilen | Hmm, looks as if its dependencies can't be satisfed |
| 15:20.54 | babilen | That might be a problem in its packaging rather than your fault |
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| 15:22.14 | spacebug^ | Hum.. ok |
| 15:22.22 | babilen | Could you try installing your python-twext and python-pg8000 backports and "dpkg -i ..." calendarserver again? |
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| 15:24.27 | spacebug^ | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/784196/ It does not even find those packages? |
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| 15:25.15 | babilen | No, you backported them yourself |
| 15:25.58 | babilen | Line 17 on http://paste.debian.net/784194/ has python-twext_0.1.b2.dev15059-1_all.deb |
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| 15:27.23 | spacebug^ | babilen: Oh yeah, thats ture.. I installed it from sid sources |
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| 15:28.03 | babilen | You mean you did |
| 15:28.05 | babilen | dpkg: ssb |
| 15:28.05 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 15:28.09 | babilen | For them also? |
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| 15:28.39 | babilen | I ask because "installed it form sid sources" is quite ambigious as it could also mean that you installed it from sid (which is in your sources) |
| 15:29.22 | spacebug^ | babilen: woha.. not it installed calendarserver |
| 15:29.57 | spacebug^ | I did apt-get build-dep package; apt-get -b source package; dpkg -i ./package |
| 15:30.52 | spacebug^ | now when I also did this for python-twext and python-pg8000 and then installed calendarserver again it worked |
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| 15:31.16 | babilen | It should have, yeah |
| 15:31.33 | spacebug^ | but I guess that if I hade done it right from the first time I would not have had to do that for all the dependencies |
| 15:31.36 | spacebug^ | ? |
| 15:31.49 | babilen | No, it's not your fault |
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| 15:32.03 | babilen | It's the packaging of calendarserver that confused our bot |
| 15:32.15 | babilen | (it should have picked up on those missing dependencies) |
| 15:32.51 | spacebug^ | Ah ok |
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| 15:43.21 | b6s3d | how do i keep my old dns from showing up in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 15:46.27 | b6s3d | any help would be gladly appreciated, i have tried to fix this problem more or less for 3 days now |
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| 15:49.51 | babilen | b6s3d: You have to configure whatever program you use to manage /etc/resolv.conf. Most, like network-manager, let you configure nameserver. Might also want to look at dhclient and resolvconf config, but it really depends on your setup. |
| 15:50.24 | b6s3d | i have configured all of them |
| 15:50.26 | b6s3d | nothing helps |
| 15:50.31 | b6s3d | old dns is still there |
| 15:50.46 | babilen | So, remove it? |
| 15:50.55 | b6s3d | by hand it will get overwritten |
| 15:51.04 | babilen | Then you haven't configured "all of them" |
| 15:51.15 | b6s3d | yes |
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| 15:52.22 | b6s3d | generated by dhcpcd from eth0 |
| 15:52.41 | spacebug^ | babilen: another thing, calendar server installed itself but did not run untill I manually installed postgresql. Error in dependencies or is postgresql not realy required but somehow default in config? |
| 15:53.28 | babilen | spacebug^: I know nothing about calendarserver, sorry |
| 15:53.42 | babilen | b6s3d: So, check your dhclient conf |
| 15:53.59 | babilen | b6s3d: I have no idea how you get online and what kind of tools you use to do so |
| 15:54.02 | b6s3d | what could i add remove? |
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| 15:54.11 | spacebug^ | babilen: Ok |
| 15:54.20 | b6s3d | babilen: ofcause not |
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| 15:54.30 | b6s3d | don't trip m8 |
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| 15:55.47 | jelly | b6s3d, do you have access to the configuration of your DHCP server? |
| 15:56.07 | b6s3d | oh, advance question, do you mean the router? |
| 15:56.21 | b6s3d | i have root on my device if thats what you ask |
| 15:56.28 | b6s3d | i also own the router |
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| 15:58.03 | jelly | b6s3d, if your router provides dhcp server service, then configure it to give out correct resolvers. |
| 15:58.50 | b6s3d | k :) |
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| 15:59.29 | jelly | if you can't fix the config in the right place, read /msg dpkg override dns |
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| 16:26.26 | b6s3d | thanks it solved the problem, but cased a new one |
| 16:26.34 | b6s3d | i now have a non local ip address |
| 16:28.36 | teraflops | b6s3d: 1) do you do NM or /e/n/i? 2) do you do dhcp or fixed ip address? 3) do you have resolvconf package installed or not? |
| 16:28.52 | b6s3d | i think i got it fixed some how :O |
| 16:30.22 | teraflops | "it got fixed some how" sounds like some sort of magic involved instead of user intervention ^ |
| 16:30.38 | teraflops | yeah I love this shit :S |
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| 16:34.36 | babilen | It's great that we still don't know which tools b6s3d uses to configure it, isn't it? |
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| 16:47.47 | diamkar | Hello i would like to ask if it is possible to delete a metapackage without remove its packages. |
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| 16:48.31 | awal1 | diamkar, usually yes |
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| 16:51.54 | awal1 | diamkar, you can simulate removals... and see what will happen in real, as root or as ordinary user: apt -s remove foo aptitude -s ... apt-get -s ... |
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| 16:56.04 | diamkar | awal1: thank you! Also i would like to ask if anybody is aware of why eclipse in debian repositories is so outdated and netbeans is sychronized with upstream. Thank you again |
| 16:56.10 | eclipse | ok |
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| 17:00.28 | jmcnaught | !stable |
| 17:00.28 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.5); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 17:01.02 | jmcnaught | diamkar: ^^ jessie was frozen in 2014, almost everything in jessie is from then. netbeans is not in jessie. |
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| 17:01.50 | diamkar | jmcnaught: what about debian testing? |
| 17:02.56 | jmcnaught | diamkar: what about it? |
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| 17:05.04 | diamkar | jmcnaught: i meant is this true also for debian testing branch? I can see both of them. |
| 17:06.16 | awal1 | ,v synapse |
| 17:06.17 | judd | Package: synapse on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.2.10-2; jessie-backports: 0.2.99.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.2.99.2-2; sid: 0.2.99.2-2 |
| 17:06.36 | jmcnaught | diamkar: stretch, the current testing release, is not frozen yet. you'd have to research the eclipse package on the debian bug tracker and other resources to see what the people working on it are up to, what their plans for stretch are |
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| 17:06.42 | eclipse | ok |
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| 17:25.50 | diamkar | Is it possible to get enterprise support for Debian? |
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| 17:32.18 | awal1 | https://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
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| 18:24.43 | Douglas_Masters | Hello dear Debian users. I am trying to install Debian on a system with no CD/DVD drive. I am using a Debian DVD usb. Is it possible to somehow install the remaining 2 Debian DVD images with a USB drive? |
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| 18:26.37 | tremon | Douglas_Masters: the machine has no internet connection? |
| 18:26.57 | Douglas_Masters | No. |
| 18:27.14 | Douglas_Masters | It does have an internet connection but you need to install proprietary firmware for it to work. |
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| 18:27.29 | Douglas_Masters | The firmware may be malfunctioning so I can not install it. |
| 18:27.40 | up2late | ouch |
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| 18:28.02 | missmbob | !firmware images |
| 18:28.02 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 18:28.21 | tremon | hmm. I'm guessing it's possible but maybe not needed much |
| 18:28.30 | Douglas_Masters | Yes. |
| 18:28.43 | Douglas_Masters | I am trying to install a Debian system for off of the line usage. |
| 18:28.47 | Douglas_Masters | For system development. |
| 18:28.57 | Douglas_Masters | An internet connection is not desired. |
| 18:29.03 | tremon | I would just try to copy the archive directories from the dvd{2,3} images into the prepared dvd1 usb stick |
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| 18:29.32 | Douglas_Masters | Would that work? Copying the directories? |
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| 18:29.48 | tremon | I'm not exactly sure of the installer's directory structure, but it might work |
| 18:30.43 | smoutz | Hello, I am totally confused. During the net install I want to deselect the option for desktop environment, but I don't know which key to press, I tried many and can't find it |
| 18:30.44 | tremon | I would guess (note: wild, wild guess) that the sources have a package listing somewhere, you might need to cat some listings together |
| 18:30.55 | tremon | but a simple dumb copy is what I'd try first |
| 18:30.57 | missmbob | smoutz: space |
| 18:31.05 | smoutz | missmbob: LOL ok thanks |
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| 18:52.36 | tremon | Douglas_Masters: I've looked at the structure of the cd's a bit, and it seems to me that you only need two components off the extra discs: the /pool directory and the dists/$release/$suite/binary-$arch/Packages.gz file |
| 18:54.22 | tremon | the Packages.gz files need some work, as you need to create a new Packages.gz file with the contents of all cd's |
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| 18:56.53 | tremon | that may be as simple as mounting them all and issuing zcat /media/cd?/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz | gzip > /tmp/Packages.gz |
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| 18:58.56 | tremon | however, there may be a different listing somewhere in the installer code that lists which package is supposed to be on which disc. To be certain, you may want to ask #debian-boot on OFTC |
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| 19:02.43 | teraflops | I wonder if it's enough if you mount the isos with -o loop to the correct folder and let apt handle it with the sources.list DVD stuff |
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| 19:07.12 | Douglas_Masters | I have looked in a little into "apt-cdrom". |
| 19:07.24 | Douglas_Masters | I might try to use that specific tool. |
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| 19:09.27 | tremon | that's also an option, but I'm not sure you can use apt-cdrom from within the installer. Then you'd have to install with just disc1, and installer the rest after booting your new system |
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| 19:09.31 | tremon | which is a good idea to do anyway |
| 19:09.44 | Douglas_Masters | Yes. |
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| 20:00.30 | iLlamazz | How can I find out what is making my Debain Virtualbox machine take 15-20 minutes to reboot? |
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| 20:02.05 | teraflops | iLlamazz: you mean the guest? |
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| 20:02.49 | iLlamazz | Yeah, running Debian through Virtualbox. When I run sudo reboot or shutdown, it takes a solid 15-20 minutes to shutdown. |
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| 20:07.28 | teraflops | I have no idea of virtual box. but if it's a guest issue not related to vbox itself just treat it as it were a physical machine I suppose |
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| 20:08.47 | teraflops | so check ram, i/o, disk space systemd units status, journal etcetera |
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| 20:09.56 | jhutchins | iLlamazz: Check logs. |
| 20:10.16 | jhutchins | iLlamazz: Is an MTA or other DNS sensitive program running? |
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| 20:11.35 | spacebug^ | babilen: I wounder if there still might be a dependency problem since I get this http://paste.debian.net/784303/ when I try to start the server. It runs for a short while (but never binds to any port), and then exits |
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| 20:12.15 | iLlamazz | jhutchings, which logs should I look at? This is first time using a unix based system. I am only running a home automation program that is python based on it. |
| 20:13.54 | jhutchins | iLlamazz: Not to be a smartass, but all of them so you can figure out what's in which log. /var/log is where most of the system stuff is. |
| 20:14.24 | jhutchins | iLlamazz: dmesg | less will show you kernel events since boot. |
| 20:14.39 | iLlamazz | Will start going through them. |
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| 20:15.56 | jhutchins | iLlamazz: Most things go to /var/log/syslog, some of those are also split out into special logs, then mail stuff goes to either /var/log/mail.log (or maillog) and sometimes to somewhere like /var/log/exim4/* |
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| 20:16.58 | teraflops | iLlamazz: looks like a python issue. what did you install and how did you install it? looks like system wide. it's from debian repositories? did you install it like sudo pip whatever? |
| 20:18.34 | iLlamazz | Installed home assistant (home automation) with a virtualenv. Used pip3 install --upgrade homeassistant to install and then set it up to autostart. |
| 20:18.44 | iLlamazz | Wondering if its hanging on killing it when shutting down |
| 20:19.22 | missmbob | !tell iLlamazz about dontbreakdebian |
| 20:19.25 | teraflops | iLlamazz: and how did you setup it for autostart? |
| 20:19.27 | missmbob | !tell iLlamazz about frankendebian |
| 20:20.18 | teraflops | I do systemd units for my virtualenv stuff and it works fine |
| 20:20.42 | teraflops | missmbob: using virtualenv does not break debian btw |
| 20:21.27 | missmbob | i missed that bit. |
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| 20:22.53 | iLlamazz | teraflops http://pastebin.com/TVFr9a0C |
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| 20:24.11 | teraflops | iLlamazz: please mind using paste.debian.net? |
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| 20:26.49 | michael_mbp | hi all which image do I need for x86_64 |
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| 20:26.55 | michael_mbp | amd64? |
| 20:27.01 | iLlamazz | http://paste.debian.net/plain/784306 |
| 20:27.10 | iLlamazz | teraflops, sorry |
| 20:27.28 | teraflops | iLlamazz: nah. thanks |
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| 20:29.32 | iLlamazz | teraflops, whats odd is it didn't use to do this. not sure what changed |
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| 20:31.38 | teraflops | iLlamazz: it doesn't look to me that you're using a virtualenv |
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| 20:34.12 | awal1 | iLlamazz, I run virtualbox daily and I have several deb gest's and no problem at all. Is your host debian? |
| 20:34.39 | teraflops | iLlamazz: anyway I guess it's worth asking in python too. |
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| 20:35.07 | iLlamazz | teraflops, err, could it be because of the exec location? I copied that off the website but I changed the exec location to /srv/hass/bin/hass |
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| 20:35.22 | teraflops | iLlamazz: sure |
| 20:35.25 | iLlamazz | awl no, virtual box is running on win 7 |
| 20:35.44 | awal1 | sudo reboot/shutdown while "we" are with systemd ^-` |
| 20:36.19 | awal1 | if you run systemd you should use systemctl reboot/poweroff |
| 20:36.56 | awal1 | or shutdown -r now / -h now in the old sysvinit way |
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| 20:39.44 | teraflops | iLlamazz: call the executable with the full path for both the python3 and the application script on the exec line from the systemd unit |
| 20:40.28 | teraflops | pointing to the virtualenv correct path obv |
| 20:41.43 | awal1 | iLlamazz, with systemd you can have a reboot/shutdown logs. that's easy to set up; check https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/#index1h1 |
| 20:42.07 | teraflops | iLlamazz: /path/to/my/venv/python3 /path/to/my/vevn/script. .. |
| 20:43.10 | iLlamazz | teraflops, call it then what? Reboot? P |
| 20:43.20 | iLlamazz | awal1, thanks |
| 20:43.30 | teraflops | iLlamazz: or make a wrapper e. g http://ix.io/mJP |
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| 20:43.48 | teraflops | iLlamazz: i mean in your systemd unit |
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| 20:49.10 | awal1 | iLlamazz, as root run sync && reboot -f and check if the system reboots normally |
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| 20:49.55 | iLlamazz | awal1, okay. Waiting for systemctl reboot to finish. |
| 20:50.53 | iLlamazz | Last thing that was OK was starting sys hardware clock with system clock.. Stuck after that with the next "task" not showing up yet. |
| 20:51.33 | awal1 | iLlamazz, it may be an X service not stopping, not systemd/linux at all |
| 20:52.28 | iLlamazz | The logs should say what service is having issues stopping, right? |
| 20:52.32 | awal1 | if you enable log level for sytemd, you may get a helpful output |
| 20:53.31 | awal1 | no systemd reboot/shutdown logs in default/standard config/build |
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| 20:54.08 | iLlamazz | set it to debug? |
| 20:54.25 | awal1 | all is well explained in the link I gave you |
| 20:54.44 | iLlamazz | kk |
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| 20:55.45 | turbo64 | upgrading to stretch was a bad idea |
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| 20:55.50 | turbo64 | good thing i backed everything up beforehand |
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| 20:56.06 | turbo64 | anyone use MATE desktop |
| 20:56.27 | turbo64 | its pretty fucked up in stretch |
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| 20:56.31 | awal1 | many people use it |
| 20:56.40 | Ticho | file a bug and move on - that's what stretch is for |
| 20:56.43 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 20:56.43 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:56.57 | teraflops | it's testing so you can expect such things |
| 20:56.57 | awal1 | I have mate in my sid machine and it runs smoothly :P |
| 20:57.13 | turbo64 | they must have fixed it in that version |
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| 20:57.38 | turbo64 | it wasnt like major breakage, just theme customization fucked up, the OSD colors were messed up |
| 20:57.41 | turbo64 | things like that |
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| 20:58.07 | turbo64 | i miss kde3 |
| 20:58.41 | teraflops | iLlamazz: I'm afraid youre wasting your time. since you already said you moved the virtualenv location |
| 20:58.43 | turbo64 | i tried trinity but its kind of a broken mishmash of qt3 and qt4 apps |
| 20:59.09 | turbo64 | i wish they had just taken kde4 and made it more kde3-like |
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| 21:00.52 | __CoolGuy | Hey, is there any package called vicious that is used with awesome desktop? |
| 21:01.55 | missmbob | __CoolGuy: it's in awesome-extra |
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| 21:02.11 | __CoolGuy | Thank you so much. |
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| 21:20.19 | domovoy | hi |
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| 21:24.54 | domovoy | i'm trying to install debian stable on a dedicated server (kimsufi) using debootstrap. This implies that i use custom kernel made by ovh, this one doesn't have kernel modules support. If my root partition is not on lvm, all works well, but if i put it on lvm, then i must create an initramfs in order for the kernel to find the root partition. Is there any way of avoiding the use of the initramfs? |
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| 21:28.28 | karsten | domovoy: Unless you've got *exceptionally* good reasons for not using initramfs, just use it. That's the standard, highly flexible, highly modular, highly tested, highly functional linux bootstrapping mechanism. |
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| 21:29.28 | karsten | domovoy: The only way to avoid using initramfs is to build a nonmodular kernel which has everything in it you need. It sounds as if what OVH are offering you is in fact a kernel without module support. Do they have guidance on this? |
| 21:29.37 | teraflops | why the hell do you have to install a custom kernel made by your provider in a physical machine? |
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| 21:34.53 | t4nk518 | hi there is there a way i can reset the root account and directies using terminal as i made a typo when setting password ? |
| 21:35.11 | t4nk518 | i tried using grub but it fails :( |
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| 21:36.08 | teraflops | t4nk518: do you have more users on the machine, and you did setup sudo? |
| 21:36.08 | karsten | t4nk518: How does grub fail? |
| 21:36.33 | teraflops | t4nk518: also appending single to the boot it will do what you want |
| 21:36.42 | centrx | t4nk518: You could boot up with a rescue disk |
| 21:36.55 | centrx | t4nk518: This guide looks okay, showing how to do with grub: https://linuxconfig.org/recover-reset-forgotten-linux-root-password |
| 21:37.12 | t4nk518 | i tried that and when i set the password it says not reconised even though i know it right also when i type sudo it says it missing yet i can use SU strange :( |
| 21:37.37 | karsten | t4nk518: Reboot. Grub. Choose single-user or append 'init=/bin/bash' to the kernel parameters. |
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| 21:38.13 | karsten | t4nk518: *you MUST remount the root filesystem as writeable:* mount -o remount,rw / |
| 21:38.22 | domovoy | karsten, teraflops > http://help.ovh.com/KernelInstall I decided to use it because it has grsecurity patch already applied, and additionnaly is not full of drivers i don't need, and from what i understood, having no way to load modules is a good thing for security |
| 21:38.31 | karsten | t4nk518: Then 'passwd root' should reset root's password. |
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| 21:39.01 | miesco | ,v gpg-agent |
| 21:39.02 | judd | No package named 'gpg-agent' was found in amd64. |
| 21:39.05 | t4nk518 | ok lemme try again |
| 21:39.29 | karsten | t4nk518: synk, then mount read-only: mount -o remount,ro / |
| 21:39.34 | domovoy | karsten> ok, let's go with a initramfs then, it's just one more command to run when i upgrade the kernel after all |
| 21:39.41 | karsten | t4nk518: Then reboot. |
| 21:39.49 | teraflops | domovoy: ah so you chose the hard way, and a non standard debian kernel, but you ask here ⦠heh that's fine but i have no idea sorry |
| 21:39.57 | karsten | domovoy: A secure system is useful. An unusable system isn't. |
| 21:41.03 | karsten | domovoy: I'd have to reread a lot of docs, but you can do a few things IIRC (and time's not been kind to my neurons). Option 1: create / use a modular kernel and initramfs. Once that's all up and working, compile in *those* *specific* *modules* to a nonmodular kernel. |
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| 21:41.23 | space-xcp | anyone around ? |
| 21:41.31 | karsten | domovoy: Option 2: I _think_ there's a kernel param somewhere which locks the kernel against additional modules being loaded. You can dig about for that. |
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| 21:42.24 | karsten | domovoy: Problem with nonmodular kernels is that a *lot* of stuff is now dynamically loaded. For a server that's _probably_ not an issue, but should you need, say, some filesystem or other capability in future, it's going to be funkier to actually get to it. |
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| 21:43.23 | karsten | domovoy: There's also the question of what sort of IPMI / LOM etc. you've got. Some of those give you ability to boot a server with media provided remotely, which can be quite handy. |
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| 21:43.58 | domovoy | thing is, since that kernel doesn't have module support, update-initramfs complains about the modules directory missing, and depmod fails. I still get a working initramfs, but can i get rid those warnings/errors during update-initramfs? i found nothing in the manpages about telling update-initramfs not to use modules |
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| 21:45.41 | karsten | domovoy: Good question, I'm not sure. Nice thing about the initramfs though is that it's just a little filesystem itself. Expand it (I _think_ it's targz) and look at its init. If you can find the module-loading bits, excise them. |
| 21:45.53 | domovoy | karsten> kimsufi allow booting on a remote kernel, and a rescue mode where i can then mount my partitions, chroot, whatever... |
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| 21:46.37 | domovoy | karsten> thanks, i'll take a look into that |
| 21:46.56 | t4nk765 | i tried using grub and remount the directy but as soon as i do su root it says bad password and your not allowed to mess with roots account also root is missin =g under users list :( |
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| 21:48.05 | t4nk765 | is there a hack way of doing it via term s-: |
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| 21:49.02 | karsten | domovoy: IIRC the initramfs build params let you include custom scripts if you want. |
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| 21:49.54 | karsten | t4nk765: Descrbe what you're doing within GRUB. There's no need to su root, you *are* root if you're doing this right. |
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| 21:50.58 | t4nk765 | i press e and added init=/bin/bash but no command line come up it booted into gui |
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| 21:51.39 | karsten | t4nk765: Something's not right with that. I'm not sure what. |
| 21:52.43 | karsten | t4nk765: Do you have a root user boot stanza? Try switching to that in GRUB, and appending 'init=/bin/bash' to _that_ stanza, then booting. May be some other args getting in the way. |
| 21:53.12 | t4nk765 | ok brb |
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| 21:54.49 | karsten | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-reset-debian-root-password.html has a good procedure AFAICT. When t4nk765 is back. |
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| 21:59.28 | teraflops | either appending sigle or init=/bin/bash works |
| 21:59.33 | t4nk794 | passwd: You may not view or modify password information for root. when i do passwd root i get the previous message yet under grub root i updated the password ? corrupt install files ? |
| 22:00.01 | teraflops | grub root? |
| 22:00.32 | t4nk794 | i set root password under grub from boot screen now it still wont accept updated password |
| 22:01.07 | tremon | did you edit your pam configuration, or have multiple password providers installed? |
| 22:01.25 | t4nk794 | nope and nope was a fresh install due to bricked system |
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| 22:02.16 | teraflops | tremon: are you sure your keymap is right? this is not the first time I see people thinking they typed the right thing under the wrong keymap |
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| 22:02.44 | tremon | t4nk794: ^^ assuming this is for you :) |
| 22:02.54 | teraflops | tremon: yeah sorry |
| 22:03.10 | teraflops | I meant t4nk794, weechat has a smart(ass) tab completion |
| 22:03.13 | tremon | np |
| 22:03.48 | t4nk794 | mmm ty teraflops it seems UK layout is broken us worked for rooting up :P |
| 22:03.53 | tremon | t4nk794: well there is always an escape hatch: install sudo. It allows you to gain root access using your own password |
| 22:04.00 | t4nk794 | i just tried in terminal :P |
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| 22:04.17 | teraflops | heh, to be sure just set the passwd to just e.g 1234 so youre sure they are 1234 |
| 22:04.30 | teraflops | then change it when fixed |
| 22:04.50 | teraflops | assuming that's youre issue⦠|
| 22:04.58 | t4nk794 | teraflops: its ok im about to edit sources.list and now im root reinstall uk keyboard so i can move from us :P |
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| 22:05.17 | t4nk794 | never happened to me before though was a weird one :P |
| 22:06.08 | t4nk794 | teraflops: and others thanks for your help : |
| 22:06.24 | teraflops | t4nk794: stay here for a long time, and youll see all the weirdness you can imagine :P |
| 22:07.27 | t4nk794 | teraflops: i will be coming on here as soon as i sort my client out again webchat sucks lol :P |
| 22:07.36 | teraflops | heh |
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| 22:08.56 | jhutchins | tremon: Yes, but how do you install sudo if you don't have root? |
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| 22:10.48 | jhutchins | The statement "I set root password under grub" doesn't parse well for me. What does grub have to do with the root password? You can set a grub password. |
| 22:11.02 | jhutchins | There is also a way to fix a b0rked root password. |
| 22:11.29 | tremon | jhutchins: download it under normal account, install it using init=/bin/sh. I was responding to the case where resetting the root password would fail in a root shell too |
| 22:12.16 | jhutchins | tremon: Not usre how the init trick works under systemd, but if you can install it, you can set the root password. |
| 22:12.26 | tremon | of course, if that happened to me I'd simply edit /etc/shadow manually... |
| 22:12.27 | teraflops | jhutchins: yeah it works |
| 22:12.31 | t4nk794 | jhutchins: the uk keyboard layout was incorrect as the package is broken so was causing incorrect entry of password when type at prompts |
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| 22:13.07 | jhutchins | t4nk794: Having had to deal with some foreign keyboard problems over the years I sympathise. |
| 22:13.15 | t4nk794 | jhutchins: i switched to US Keyboard layout and it worked first time , hence the package is broken :( |
| 22:13.37 | jhutchins | t4nk794: Still don't understand what you mean by set root password under grub. |
| 22:14.04 | t4nk794 | jhutchins: passwd: triggered prompts as i was in root grub |
| 22:14.47 | tremon | that can't happen. if you're in grub, passwd can't run |
| 22:15.11 | jhutchins | "root grub" is not a thing. |
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| 22:20.45 | jhutchins | t4nk794: I'm mildly curious about what you actually did. It doesn't matter since you've apparently fixed it, but you're not using terminolgy that makes sense to us. |
| 22:20.47 | __CoolGuy | how do I change the icons with the awesome desktop manager? Anybody? |
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| 22:22.23 | jhutchins | !awesome |
| 22:22.23 | dpkg | well, awesome is a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. http://wiki.debian.org/Awesome http://awesome.naquadah.org/ #awesome on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:22.51 | __CoolGuy | ok, thanks |
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| 23:06.00 | turbo64 | whats the difference between using aptitude and apt-get |
| 23:07.01 | missmbob | turbo64: aptitude does some crazy magic to figure out weird dependencies and such. apt-get is less creative |
| 23:07.16 | missmbob | turbo64: there are other differences but that's the main point |
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