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| 00:08.22 | sn00p | jmcnaught, something i got from a tutorial |
| 00:08.23 | sn00p | tls-cipher TLS-DH |
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| 00:24.59 | sn00p | why isn't the tls-cipher command working |
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| 00:31.23 | brallan | Hello. I installed IBus without problems and add some input layers in its "Preference" menu, but when "Super + space" is pressed, IBus doesn't change the input layout. Suggestions? |
| 00:31.31 | brallan | I am using KDE |
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| 00:39.40 | awal1 | I get this error when login in sawfish "Error: Clic to dismiss. Also printed to stderr". Any advice? |
| 00:40.10 | awal1 | printed to stderr means? |
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| 00:43.07 | OerHeks | printed to standard error = to a different place than normal messages. |
| 00:43.15 | OerHeks | not screen but a log |
| 00:43.30 | OerHeks | ( example) |
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| 00:45.50 | awal1 | OerHeks, ok, got you. thanks |
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| 01:55.07 | urand0m | im on a laptop, i have a vga display hooked up to my laptop but i can't seem to get dual montitor working |
| 01:55.37 | urand0m | im using xfce4 .. in settings there is something called "display" it only shows 1 display |
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| 02:00.38 | OerHeks | urand0m, does that laptop have a FN + screen key ? toggle it, internal/external/both ? |
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| 02:03.03 | urand0m | OerHeks, it appears so but none of my fn + x combinations work |
| 02:03.31 | OerHeks | those are hardware keys, no driver needed. |
| 02:03.52 | urand0m | OerHeks, i also tried rebooting my computer with the monitor hooked up hoping that maybe linux would see it and load it upon boot but it didn't work |
| 02:04.24 | urand0m | OerHeks, my hardware keys do not work then |
| 02:04.26 | OerHeks | wait a few seconds between presses |
| 02:04.44 | OerHeks | If that does not work, i have no clue. |
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| 02:14.24 | urand0m | sometimes when i run apt-get install stuff it will prompt me with yes or no then sometimes i just automatically installs it with out prompting me - why is this? |
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| 02:20.38 | Variant00 | Hello, I am installing Debian 8.5 on my dedicated server. However the 'Install and Select Features' step failed, and I can't find a fix. |
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| 02:20.59 | qmr | jesus criminy, there's an 8.5? |
| 02:21.05 | qmr | I probably shouldn't be running 4 then |
| 02:21.13 | Variant00 | Lol |
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| 02:25.23 | Variant00 | Anyone online that can help? |
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| 02:26.27 | awal1 | urand0m, I asked about why apt-get doesn't prompt with yes/no during installs a few hours ago... My guess is that apt-get only prompts when extra dependencies/recommends/suggets pkgs are going to be installed/required |
| 02:26.49 | qmr | right |
| 02:27.03 | Variant00 | I don't think I've ever been prompted for a Y/N answer when using apt-get |
| 02:27.06 | qmr | if you tell apt-get to install foo, it is going to install foo. why would it ask you if you want to install foo ? |
| 02:27.09 | Variant00 | On Debian atleast |
| 02:27.14 | qmr | Variant00: try harder |
| 02:27.34 | Variant00 | I haven't used other OS's |
| 02:27.37 | awal1 | Variant00, that's not possible :P |
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| 02:29.29 | awal1 | try installing hmm say xmonad . you will be prompted with yes/no about around 700 mb of haskell stuff |
| 02:29.38 | awal1 | Variant00 |
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| 02:31.02 | Variant00 | Yes? |
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| 02:31.07 | awal1 | :) |
| 02:31.11 | Variant00 | ? |
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| 02:31.14 | Variant00 | :) |
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| 02:31.43 | qmr | =-D |
| 02:31.44 | awal1 | urand0m, is your external monitor listed if you run xrandr ? |
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| 02:32.59 | urand0m | awal1, nope not yet but i'm reading these docs real quick https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/125536/how-do-i-extend-my-desktop-to-my-2nd-monitor-rather-than-just-cloning-it https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/Configuration |
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| 02:33.45 | urand0m | one of the people in ##hardware suggested that it could be my video driver and xorg config - get an error when booting linux about couldn't load something radeon and needing non free firmware |
| 02:33.58 | urand0m | i get an error* |
| 02:34.02 | awal1 | urand0m, probably yeah |
| 02:34.32 | awal1 | I use xfce with dual monitor and it works perfectly |
| 02:34.40 | awal1 | ,v xfce4 |
| 02:34.41 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3 |
| 02:35.09 | awal1 | well, i use xfce in my sid machine, not jessie |
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| 02:35.37 | awal1 | probably jessie xfce v. have no full support for dual monitor |
| 02:36.37 | awal1 | if it's not detected at all during boot, so it seems that's a driver related |
| 02:36.57 | urand0m | awal1, |
| 02:37.01 | awal1 | or maybe kernel |
| 02:37.24 | awal1 | more likely driver/graphic stuff |
| 02:37.39 | urand0m | whoops, how do i configure irssi to use sasl auth incase X stops working after i do this because freenode wont let me connect with out using sasl since im using a tether |
| 02:38.34 | awal1 | freenode use https anyway |
| 02:38.38 | awal1 | uses |
| 02:39.05 | urand0m | awal1, freenode will not even let me connect to the server. it denies me connection when i try to connect from a mobile network |
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| 02:40.07 | urand0m | it forces me to use sasl authentication - i went through 3 days of hell trying to connect to freenode |
| 02:40.14 | awal1 | I use hexchat and I can set secure connection when needed with the option passwd+sasl I think. I dont remember the excat naming |
| 02:40.21 | urand0m | awal1, thats what im using too |
| 02:40.42 | awal1 | with only sasl, it wont work |
| 02:40.48 | awal1 | no clue about irssi |
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| 02:41.03 | awal1 | try the option password+sasl |
| 02:41.10 | urand0m | but if i change my driver and change my xorg conf and x stops working then hex chat isnt going to work and im going to need help geting it working again .. i have irssi incase that does happen but i wont be able to connect to freenode with irssi unless i have sasl auth set up |
| 02:41.46 | awal1 | i dont use irssi, no clue |
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| 02:42.41 | Variant00 | This is infuriating |
| 02:42.54 | Variant00 | None of the mirrors I am trying are working! |
| 02:44.02 | jmcnaught | Variant00: what error do you get? |
| 02:44.42 | Variant00 | It was like a network error one. However I decided to go ahead and try a US one and it finally decided to work. |
| 02:44.50 | Variant00 | The Canada ones are so messed up. |
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| 02:46.09 | jmcnaught | Variant00: mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca seems to be working for me |
| 02:46.39 | Variant00 | It wasn't working for me. Must be my internet, which wouldn't make sense but whatever. Lol |
| 02:47.44 | awal1 | Variant00, I frequently use us or ca. when one of them doesn't work i switch to another |
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| 02:48.39 | Variant00 | Yea, this is my fourth time installing Debian because of previous problems with the installation. I never switched countries because I thought you weren't supposed to. But I read the message tonight saying that it didn't matter the country. |
| 02:48.41 | tortib_ | dondelelcaro, you there? |
| 02:49.59 | awal1 | Variant00, you can use a mirror from tailand if you want; just check if the mirror you are usig a debian official one |
| 02:50.16 | tortib_ | I just got a wifi 802.11ac router and my network speeds are only 11MB/s |
| 02:50.43 | Variant00 | awal1 I can see why it would be a bad idea to connect to a non-offical one xD |
| 02:50.47 | awal1 | if the mirror you want to use is official mirror (debian mirror) ^ |
| 02:51.02 | jmcnaught | Variant00: it's hard to talk about what was wrong when you don't show the errors. did you run "apt-get update" after changing mirrors the first time? |
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| 02:53.17 | Variant00 | No, I never got that far. I've been stuck on the installation for months. |
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| 02:53.59 | Variant00 | I've given up on it a bunch from frustration. Because ever since I bought my Dedi it's been nothing but problems. |
| 02:54.39 | tortib_ | my link speeds says 433Mbit/s |
| 02:54.52 | tortib_ | but i'm only getting 5MB/s when trasnfering data from my NAS to my laptop |
| 02:56.09 | jmcnaught | Variant00: what is a dedi? if you have problems you're welcome to ask questions here. If you're new to Debian there's some good free books here: https://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 02:56.37 | urand0m | whats the difference between sudo and gksudo? |
| 02:56.48 | Variant00 | Dedi, short for Dedicated Server. I'm fairly new to servers in general. I've run a hosting company but I never got into the backend side of it. |
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| 02:58.23 | jmcnaught | urand0m: one is for when you're running X11 programs |
| 02:58.29 | Variant00 | Which is the best desktop enviroment to use? |
| 02:58.47 | jmcnaught | Variant00: GNOME, but you don't need a DE on a server |
| 02:59.46 | Variant00 | I don't know CMD line |
| 03:00.10 | missmbob | wont be doing much "server" work on it then |
| 03:00.23 | awal1 | jmcnaught, i tought you are more xfce/wm's oriented :P |
| 03:00.34 | Variant00 | It's a pretty weak dedicated server, I'm only looking to host a few websites. |
| 03:01.16 | Variant00 | As a 16 year old who lives at their parents house, I can't really do a ton of Commerical stuff with it. |
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| 03:01.44 | Variant00 | But I'll take your advice, and skip the DE. |
| 03:02.03 | jmcnaught | Variant00: you still don't want a DE on a server, use it as an opportunity to learn a bit of command line stuff, there will be some reading required but you can get through it |
| 03:02.37 | awal1 | Variant00, if you are not so familiar with debian and gnu/linux world, one nice way is make a standard debian install and try stuff in a VM (virtualbox is easier for such thing) |
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| 03:03.10 | Variant00 | I tried to install ESXi on my friend's advice but my server isn't 64 bit |
| 03:03.21 | Variant00 | The CPU's won't support t |
| 03:03.24 | awal1 | you will avoid reinstalling the whole system bcoz you broked X thing.. |
| 03:03.54 | jmcnaught | Variant00: what awal1 is suggesting is to use PC at home to run Debian in a VM |
| 03:04.37 | Variant00 | I could try that. |
| 03:04.58 | Variant00 | I've got a spare PC that I could wipe the OS off and install a VM OS |
| 03:05.28 | missmbob | we're saying you don't need t. virtualbox will run on your windows or whatever it is you have. |
| 03:06.13 | awal1 | Variant00I mean install debian in real hardware, standard install (gnome with all the defaults), and play with what you want in another debian system installed in a VM. when you know what you do, you can apply stuff in real hardware, |
| 03:06.57 | urand0m | im running debian 8.5 jessie, i am running irssi 0.8.17 - i updated my repos and tried to upgrade irssi to 0.8.18 but it says im already running the latest version - how do i get the newest version of irssi? |
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| 03:07.05 | cafuego | The server isn't 64bit? |
| 03:07.19 | cafuego | It's not a raspberry pi, is it? |
| 03:07.40 | awal1 | urand0m, usually, no new versions of X pkg in stable |
| 03:07.43 | missmbob | urand0m: you use jessie-backports http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 03:07.44 | cafuego | urand0m: What does 'apt-cache policy irssi' say? |
| 03:07.47 | tortib | I just got a wifi 802.11ac router and my network speeds are only 11MB/s the link says it's 433Mbit/s |
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| 03:08.06 | awal1 | check if it's in backports, urand0m |
| 03:08.21 | missmbob | i already did :P i wouldn't have told him otherwise |
| 03:08.51 | awal1 | missed that :P |
| 03:09.38 | urand0m | cafuego, https://paste.debian.net/785918/ awal1 okay im reading that page you sent me now |
| 03:10.09 | cafuego | urand0m: Ah yep, what missmbob said then ;-) |
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| 03:11.14 | Variant00 | No, it's a old server. I picked it up for cheap and thought it would be good to use as a learning enviroment. It's an HP Proliant DL360 G4. |
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| 03:15.23 | urand0m | i love you, it worked. thanks :D |
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| 03:16.25 | KALASH | how would I use aptitude to list the available jessie-backports updates. I don't plan to install them all but I just want a list to see which packages I should consider upgrades for. Thank you. |
| 03:16.34 | mijk | hey, I'm running Wheezy because I have Radeon 3650 and I'm using the wheezy-backports fglrx-legacy driver |
| 03:16.57 | mijk | if I lock those packages, can I upgrade to Jessie without killing the entire system? |
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| 03:17.39 | awal1 | urand0m, I haven't sent you any thing :P :D |
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| 03:19.49 | missmbob | i did. i should just stop talking. heh |
| 03:21.00 | awal1 | KALASH, try with apt update && apt list --upgradable or --upgradeable |
| 03:22.02 | awal1 | I dont know how to make apt list only backports pkgs |
| 03:22.02 | KALASH | awal1: none listed |
| 03:22.17 | KALASH | I used to know the command for apt-cache search |
| 03:22.21 | KALASH | and aptitude search |
| 03:22.22 | missmbob | you need to use -y jessie-backports |
| 03:22.28 | awal1 | update first then list --upgradable |
| 03:22.35 | KALASH | i did update |
| 03:22.51 | missmbob | ugh, typo. -t |
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| 03:23.51 | awal1 | KALASH TRY WITH list --upgradable -t jessie-backports |
| 03:24.25 | awal1 | cant try here, I have no extra repos |
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| 03:24.39 | KALASH | E: Command line option 't' [from -t] is not known. |
| 03:25.04 | awal1 | if nothing listed for backports or for normal repos , so no pkgs are upgradable |
| 03:25.10 | missmbob | i was afraid of that. jessie's apt is nowhere near what's in stretch/sid. |
| 03:25.27 | mijk | KALASH: aptitude search -t $(lsb_release -sc)-backports -F '%p %v -> %V' '~U ~Abackports' |
| 03:25.40 | awal1 | missbob, I dont see -t for list in sid apt |
| 03:25.52 | KALASH | mijk: thank you that worked |
| 03:25.54 | KALASH | thanks |
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| 03:26.04 | mijk | np |
| 03:26.20 | awal1 | mijk, easy command to remember :P |
| 03:26.21 | missmbob | awal1: i'm on stretch and my man page for apt has it listed. jessie's is just too old i guess |
| 03:26.27 | mijk | lmao yeah |
| 03:26.33 | mijk | make a script for it ;) |
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| 03:26.58 | mijk | actually, I'm working on a script to make it easier |
| 03:27.37 | mijk | but, I'm lazy and that's neither here nor there |
| 03:27.48 | awal1 | missbob, -t for list can be available in apt stretch version and not in sid |
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| 03:28.01 | awal1 | i dont see it in man |
| 03:28.11 | awal1 | can't be ^ |
| 03:28.19 | missmbob | awal1: i know. stretch version=sid version right now |
| 03:28.53 | missmbob | it's at the very top. first line of SYNOPSIS |
| 03:28.59 | mijk | so is iti possible for me to lock a version of a package and upgrade to Jessie without killing my system? |
| 03:29.03 | awal1 | i mean in man man I there is no trace of -t for list --upgradable |
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| 03:29.52 | awal1 | i mean in man apt there is no trace of -t for list --upgradable ^ |
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| 03:30.42 | awal1 | missbob, you right. excuses |
| 03:30.50 | missmbob | awal1: no worries |
| 03:31.09 | jmcnaught | mijk: which package? |
| 03:31.28 | mijk | I have to use fglrx-legacy from the wheezy backports |
| 03:31.57 | mijk | I've had nothing but trouble using any distro newer than Ubuntu 12.04 or Debian Wheezy |
| 03:31.59 | jmcnaught | radeon doesn't work? |
| 03:32.20 | mijk | slow and performance is garbage |
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| 03:33.19 | strass | I was getting dkpg errors for keyboard-configuration. Stackoverflow had me remove then reinstall keyboard-configuration, but now x doesn't start and I can't type at shell. |
| 03:33.20 | jmcnaught | the last time i used radeon was on wheezy but i didn't find it slow except perhaps relative to game performance with fglrx |
| 03:33.33 | strass | I am currently in single user mode, trying to reconfigure keyboard-configuration. here's my error log: http://termbin.com/12ot |
| 03:33.42 | strass | can someone please help me get it working again? |
| 03:34.28 | missmbob | strass: you're using ubuntu. try them at #ubuntu |
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| 03:45.37 | urand0m | how do i connect to my wifi using the command line? my ssid is hidden. im looking at this guide but i do not understand it https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 03:45.58 | peterrooney | dpkg: /msg strass cross post |
| 03:45.59 | dpkg | peterrooney: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 03:46.17 | strass | huh peterrooney ? |
| 03:46.35 | peterrooney | dpkg: tell strass about cross post |
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| 03:47.00 | strass | peterrooney: ##linux told me to go here, here told me to go to #ubuntu |
| 03:47.21 | missmbob | strass: that's because you're using ubuntu. |
| 03:47.24 | missmbob | !ubuntu |
| 03:47.24 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 03:47.46 | strass | I understand that, I was just following directions |
| 03:48.07 | strass | I have only been using linux for like 4 weeks. I'm getting better but I'm still learning how to ask for help |
| 03:50.56 | urand0m | im about to do something that might break X i want to ensure i have a way to get online first incase i do break X . i dont internet or a router that i can hardwire to. im tethering from my phone so if i break x and cant get online then im screwed |
| 03:51.05 | urand0m | insure* |
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| 03:53.21 | urand0m | i have wpasupplicant |
| 03:53.38 | jmcnaught | urand0m: use nmtui |
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| 03:55.18 | urand0m | jmcnaught, oh man, that makes things so much easier. thanks man |
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| 03:58.20 | a1 | urand0m, do it, grab your balls and do it! |
| 03:58.28 | a1 | click,click |
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| 04:02.42 | urand0m | https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#configure for the xorg configuration where it says Identifier "My GPU" do i need to replace my gpu with whatever gpu im using? |
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| 04:06.36 | hyper_ch | hi there, I get a strange message, that no space is left on device but all mounts still have plenty of space left |
| 04:07.14 | urand0m | hyper_ch, how much space is left? |
| 04:07.24 | emankcin | hyper_ch, What does df give you? |
| 04:07.24 | hyper_ch | urand0m: https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/97e8a0bf |
| 04:08.24 | hyper_ch | can't figure out where the problem is |
| 04:08.50 | emankcin | hyper_ch, try to create a file |
| 04:09.04 | hyper_ch | root@servi:/# touch test |
| 04:09.06 | hyper_ch | touch: cannot touch âtestâ: No space left on device |
| 04:09.49 | emankcin | well thats bizarre |
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| 04:10.13 | hyper_ch | it's not mounted ro either: |
| 04:10.14 | hyper_ch | root@servi:/# grep "\sro[\s,]" /proc/mounts |
| 04:10.16 | hyper_ch | root@servi:/# |
| 04:10.58 | emankcin | should be a different error anyway |
| 04:11.08 | hyper_ch | I know, I was just testing it |
| 04:11.09 | emankcin | hyper_ch, what size is sda? |
| 04:11.15 | emankcin | fdisk |
| 04:11.16 | hyper_ch | 2TB |
| 04:11.33 | hyper_ch | emankcin: sda or the crypt container? |
| 04:12.05 | emankcin | those crypts are from elsewhere then? |
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| 04:12.31 | hyper_ch | emankcin: https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/a29bc9e1 |
| 04:12.42 | hyper_ch | nah, sda contains 3 partitions... once is crypto container for / |
| 04:12.46 | hyper_ch | s/once/one/ |
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| 04:14.19 | emankcin | hyper_ch, Can you move something from sda to another device.. back_crypt or rtorrent_crypt? |
| 04:14.25 | emankcin | and check if you can touch a file |
| 04:14.42 | hyper_ch | emankcin: just rebooting the server and will test |
| 04:14.44 | oldcomputers | emankcin: did the spaghetti show up? |
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| 04:15.45 | emankcin | oldcomputers, wat? |
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| 04:16.11 | urand0m | should i do this http://pastebin.com/xQf66edS or manually configure the xorg file following these instructions https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#configure ? |
| 04:16.20 | oldcomputers | emankcin: the /notice |
| 04:16.22 | oldcomputers | did it work? |
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| 04:16.36 | emankcin | oldcomputers, I see nothing here |
| 04:16.42 | oldcomputers | emankcin: what about that? |
| 04:16.48 | hyper_ch | emankcin: |
| 04:16.49 | hyper_ch | hyper@servi:~$ mv dolphian.ttf /mnt/rtorrent/ |
| 04:16.51 | hyper_ch | hyper@servi:~$ touch test |
| 04:16.52 | hyper_ch | touch: cannot touch âtestâ: No space left on device |
| 04:17.17 | emankcin | as root? |
| 04:17.27 | hyper_ch | no, as normal user |
| 04:17.47 | oldcomputers | * * * * * * * * I AM THE PROPHET OF THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER * * * * * * * |
| 04:18.11 | emankcin | Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? |
| 04:18.22 | oldcomputers | LOL NOODLES |
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| 04:18.28 | oldcomputers | NOOOOOOOOOODDLLEEESSSSSSSSSS |
| 04:18.32 | oldcomputers | NOOOODLESSS |
| 04:18.46 | hyper_ch | emankcin: |
| 04:18.47 | hyper_ch | root@servi:~# mv openvpn-2.3.7.tar.gz /mnt/rtorrent/ |
| 04:18.49 | hyper_ch | root@servi:~# touch test |
| 04:18.50 | hyper_ch | touch: cannot touch âtestâ: No space left on device |
| 04:18.53 | oldcomputers | N O O D L E S NOODLES * * * * * NOOOOOODLES ***** |
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| 04:19.44 | emankcin | hyper_ch, try to cp that file back |
| 04:20.31 | hyper_ch | emankcin: |
| 04:20.32 | hyper_ch | root@servi:~# cp /mnt/rtorrent/openvpn-2.3.7.tar.gz /root/ |
| 04:20.34 | hyper_ch | cp: cannot create regular file â/root/openvpn-2.3.7.tar.gzâ: No space left on device |
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| 04:21.00 | hyper_ch | I think I know now |
| 04:21.22 | emankcin | hyper_ch, try df -i |
| 04:21.37 | emankcin | and pastebin |
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| 04:22.54 | hyper_ch | emankcin: https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/12d03267 |
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| 04:27.10 | emankcin | hyper_ch, You can write to the other crypt devices? |
| 04:27.30 | hyper_ch | root@servi:/mnt/rtorrent# touch test |
| 04:27.32 | urand0m | thank you everyone .. everything is working great now thank you so much |
| 04:27.32 | hyper_ch | root@servi:/mnt/rtorrent# |
| 04:27.35 | hyper_ch | works fine |
| 04:27.36 | tortib | I just got a 802.11AC RT-1200AC router from asus. It works great, stable and fast I get 100+Mbps on wifi with a internet speed test. Problem is tho when I copy data from my FreeNAS machine to my laptop i only get 11MB/s |
| 04:28.00 | hyper_ch | emankcin: |
| 04:28.02 | hyper_ch | root@servi:/backup# touch test |
| 04:28.03 | hyper_ch | root@servi:/backup# |
| 04:28.07 | emankcin | tortib, what is 100Mbit? |
| 04:28.21 | tortib | emankcin, 10MB/s |
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| 04:28.30 | tortib | emankcin, I'm connected with a 433Mbit link tho |
| 04:28.34 | tortib | so it doesn't make much sense |
| 04:28.40 | oldcomputers | yay, farts |
| 04:28.48 | tortib | pffftthhththth |
| 04:28.55 | oldcomputers | LONG LIVE THE ALMIGHTY FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:29.05 | tortib | that's hurtful against my nationality |
| 04:29.07 | tortib | since I'm Italian |
| 04:29.23 | emankcin | hyper_ch, I'm really not sure |
| 04:29.30 | AndChat164736 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.34 | hyper_ch | emankcin: same here :( |
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| 04:29.37 | tortib | AndChat164736, hplip package |
| 04:29.40 | hyper_ch | it should be working |
| 04:29.50 | emankcin | hyper_ch, All my crypts here show Inode counts on df -i |
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| 04:30.00 | AndChat164736 | I installed it but not printing |
| 04:30.02 | hyper_ch | emankcin: btrfs - no inodes there |
| 04:30.06 | AndChat164736 | Hplip |
| 04:30.08 | emankcin | ah |
| 04:30.15 | emankcin | xfs I think |
| 04:30.25 | AndChat164736 | How do I remove it completely n install again |
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| 04:31.11 | swift110-phone | hey |
| 04:31.42 | AndChat164736 | Or how to check package integrity |
| 04:32.03 | swift110-phone | i see |
| 04:32.39 | AndChat164736 | @tortib.. u there |
| 04:33.10 | SpaghettiMonster | tortib: FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER |
| 04:33.13 | SpaghettiMonster | * * * * * * N | O | O | D | L | E | S * * * * * * |
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| 04:34.13 | emankcin | hyper_ch, Found something related to btrfs, I'll PM |
| 04:34.49 | hyper_ch | ok |
| 04:35.25 | tortib | people are so inpatient |
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| 04:42.12 | urand0m | there is only one problem now since i installed the proprietary ati fglrx driver - when i try to drag windows across the screen they drag very slowly |
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| 04:58.44 | miesco | Hi. I do not think I have swap activated. As my swap partition (/dev/mapper/sda4_crypt) is not mounted. |
| 04:58.52 | miesco | How do I turn on my swap? |
| 05:00.35 | rjsalts | miesco: swapon /path/to/swap/device |
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| 05:00.58 | rjsalts | miesco: or swapon -a for all swap partitions in /etc/fstab or what have you |
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| 05:02.45 | miesco | rjsalts: I have this in /etc/crypttab: sda4_crypt /dev/sda4 /dev/urandom cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256,swap |
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| 05:03.55 | hyper_ch | miesco: what does htop say? do you have swap? |
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| 05:04.13 | hyper_ch | miesco: my encrypted swap is sda2_crypt /dev/sda2 /dev/urandom cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256,swap |
| 05:04.14 | miesco | hyper_ch: No I don't |
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| 05:04.53 | hyper_ch | miesco: in fstab I have: /dev/mapper/sda2_crypt none swap sw 0 0 |
| 05:04.56 | miesco | hyper_ch: Did you have to type `swapon`? |
| 05:04.59 | hyper_ch | you need an entry in fstap to enable swap |
| 05:05.09 | hyper_ch | for you it would be sda4_crypt |
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| 05:06.10 | hyper_ch | miesco: got a swap entry in your fstab as well? |
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| 05:08.31 | miesco | This is my fstab line: /dev/mapper/sda4_crypt none swap sw 0 0 |
| 05:08.38 | miesco | hyper_ch: ^ |
| 05:08.45 | hyper_ch | so that should work IMHO |
| 05:08.56 | miesco | hyper_ch: I wonder why it doesn't |
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| 05:09.51 | hyper_ch | well, I wonder why I get no space left when 600GB are still free :) no idea, I showed you what I have in my crypttab and fstab and it just works |
| 05:10.44 | miesco | hyper_ch: `swapon -s` gives: /dev/dm-1 partition 7799104 0 -1 |
| 05:11.10 | hyper_ch | never used swapon, sorry |
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| 05:30.55 | miesco | When I type `cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sda4` it says its not a valid LUKS device. sda4 is my encrypted swap. |
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| 05:38.43 | miesco | Wait, I think this is right because it doesn't have a header as it just rewrites the whole thing on startup |
| 05:38.47 | miesco | Going to try restarting |
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| 06:45.17 | cebuboy | aw |
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| 06:47.09 | noobandnoober | hi |
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| 06:48.51 | noobandnoober | Is there a way to resize the LVM partition that i'm currently using without a live usb or any other system? |
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| 06:52.25 | donoban | noobandnoober: I'm not expert but can't you just add new partitions to the LVM group you need? |
| 06:53.18 | noobandnoober | donoban: the partition takes the whole disk, i want to shrink it |
| 06:53.34 | donoban | ah |
| 06:54.31 | donoban | I guess it should be unmounted for that... |
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| 07:11.08 | unborn | noobandnoober: there is not really any other way |
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| 07:32.19 | dionysus69 | the only way to update firefox at /opt is to run it as sudo? |
| 07:34.30 | nkuttler | dionysus69: how did it end up in /opt ? |
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| 07:38.14 | cra1g321 | sounds like someone isn't using the package in the debian repo :P |
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| 07:39.27 | Maxou | Hey how can i restore default /etc/network/interfaces file ? i make some change witheout backup it so I dont remember what was the default state |
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| 07:43.51 | rjsalts | Maxou: rm /etc/network/interfaces;dpkg-reconfigure ifupdown would probably work |
| 07:44.22 | Maxou | i will try thank you |
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| 07:44.40 | unborn | Maxou: ..and next time make sure you do backup of those - they are just text files ;) |
| 07:44.49 | Maxou | yep i will ;Ã |
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| 07:52.02 | Maxou | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:57.10 | novice | I installed debian on macbook but now I am not able to boot it. It hangs at blank screen |
| 07:57.42 | novice | I can boot into osx by holding option key but not into debian |
| 07:57.49 | novice | help me |
| 07:57.55 | novice | I want debian on mac |
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| 07:58.18 | unborn | novice: did you followed this? https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
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| 07:59.31 | novice | I didn't install refind |
| 07:59.53 | novice | just planned to go via holding option key |
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| 08:00.40 | rjsalts | Maxou: hrm, I just skimmed the code. Check out /var/lib/dpkg/info/ifupdown.postinst |
| 08:00.45 | dionysus69 | nkuttler: I have firefox developer's edition, its not in repos take it as a debian complaint :D |
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| 08:01.37 | teraflops | novice: it looks like you want to create a little hfs partition, tell grub to put the efi there and bless that file from osx. that way debian will appear when holding option at boot |
| 08:01.47 | unborn | dionysus69: you should be able to update by downloading that package and placing in /opt |
| 08:02.21 | novice | teraflops: I don't understand it |
| 08:02.58 | novice | I have tried like this when I tried to install arch and it worked but how can I do this in debian I don't understand |
| 08:03.24 | unborn | read the manual on wiki heh |
| 08:03.32 | unborn | that could help right? |
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| 08:04.12 | novice | anyone using debian on macbook air? |
| 08:04.23 | Fjorgynn | nope |
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| 08:04.50 | cafuego | I run it in virtualbox on a macbook pro, but I doubt that's helpful. |
| 08:04.52 | teraflops | novice: I cannot explain myself better than I did. you need a hfs partition for installing grub's efi stuff there aka ESP. if you want osx bootloader to recognise it you'll have to bless it. Google it for more detailed information |
| 08:05.00 | iKfest | iKarith |
| 08:05.19 | ransur0t | novice: which version macbook air? |
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| 08:05.33 | novice | mid 2013 |
| 08:06.02 | ransur0t | https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookAir |
| 08:06.10 | unborn | exactly! :) |
| 08:06.26 | ransur0t | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/MacBookAir/6-2 |
| 08:07.29 | novice | ransur0t: this has no info how to install dual boot with osx |
| 08:07.34 | teraflops | donoban: huh? |
| 08:07.45 | novice | teraflops: thanx, i'll try |
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| 08:09.02 | teraflops | novice: that's the saner way of doing dual boot in newer macboks btw. it's not that hard. I do that way |
| 08:09.11 | Fjorgynn | pepepepepepepep |
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| 08:09.55 | unborn | Fjorgynn: how can we help you here? |
| 08:10.06 | novice | teraflops: I am thinking like how to install grub's efi on hfs parition for that we need standlone |
| 08:10.18 | donoban | hi teraflops, do you remember my problem running libvirt/qemu? it's running fine now |
| 08:10.29 | teraflops | ah now I do. heh |
| 08:11.04 | teraflops | donoban: I saw the messages but I didn't remember it |
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| 08:11.26 | Arone | TGIF ? |
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| 08:11.38 | donoban | do you think that reboot is always needed? |
| 08:11.39 | armin | TGIF! |
| 08:12.00 | donoban | if so it should be announced to the user |
| 08:12.08 | armin | also happy sysadmin day!!! |
| 08:12.44 | teraflops | novice: if you don't want osx at all you won't need the hfs and bless stuff if that's what you meant |
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| 08:19.32 | unborn | armin: is it today? |
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| 08:22.46 | ransur0t | ^^^ https://goo.gl/15N3q6 |
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| 08:24.23 | dionysus69 | unborn: yes I know that but I wanted for auto update to work :) but np I ran it as sudo and it updated itself |
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| 08:26.26 | unborn | so now I know when it is.. its nice to see a bit of love out there in world :) |
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| 08:27.15 | ransur0t | :) |
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| 08:43.50 | teraflops | donoban: oh. you just rebooted the machine? |
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| 08:56.46 | otyugh | heya |
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| 08:59.29 | otyugh | What would be the easiest way -from scratch- to display a few dialogue windows featuring a "yes/no" button that would just exit accordingly ? It would be part of a bash script, to hide the console part from users |
| 09:01.36 | teraflops | o |
| 09:01.40 | teraflops | oops |
| 09:01.47 | teraflops | otyugh: zenity |
| 09:02.12 | Stummi | otyugh, a GUI or TUI dialog? |
| 09:02.18 | teraflops | gui |
| 09:02.31 | teraflops | I meant zenity is GUI |
| 09:02.37 | otyugh | what is a tui ? |
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| 09:02.59 | teraflops | terminal aka no GUI |
| 09:03.04 | Stummi | otyugh, dialogs within you terminal |
| 09:03.09 | otyugh | x) |
| 09:03.12 | otyugh | got it |
| 09:03.32 | r2rien | otyugh: (Stummi:) dialog : Display dialog boxes from shell scripts (gtk3 porting of gtk2 zenity) |
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| 09:03.48 | teraflops | otyugh: as in nmtui ; ) |
| 09:03.55 | Stummi | otyugh, try 'dialog --yesno "Hello?" 5 20' in your terminal |
| 09:04.15 | Stummi | if thats what you want, look at the dialog help/man page |
| 09:04.22 | otyugh | I love it. Althought users won't ^^' |
| 09:04.40 | donoban | yes teraflops |
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| 09:05.27 | teraflops | donoban: yeah I told you so. you said you couldn't because luks ð |
| 09:05.37 | donoban | I have dropbear now ;) |
| 09:05.45 | teraflops | good shot |
| 09:05.57 | donoban | I don't want to risk to install it remotely and being unable to boot |
| 09:06.19 | teraflops | donoban: there are ways of unlocking luks remotely |
| 09:06.41 | donoban | dropbear seems fine, what are the others? |
| 09:08.12 | teraflops | initramfs hooks for doing via ssh |
| 09:08.41 | donoban | yes, that's what I'm doing with dropbear |
| 09:08.54 | teraflops | ah sorry I misunderstood |
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| 09:25.16 | armin | unborn: seems so: http://sysadminday.com/ |
| 09:26.33 | unborn | armin: thanks - I already put this on my site as well.. I will remember this date forever :) its nice to see some love from others in out there... makes me really happy about us - in cupboards forgotten :) |
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| 09:43.10 | jim | !jigdo |
| 09:43.10 | dpkg | Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . https://wiki.debian.org/jigdo http://atterer.org/jigdo/ |
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| 10:10.47 | simonb | I've just done a fresh net-install of Jessie over wifi, however after booting into the installed system wifi connects, and I get a DHCP lease, but can not talk to anything on the network. This is true for multiple wireless networks. Any idea as to why this would be happening? |
| 10:11.12 | simonb | This has happened with a RTL8191SEvA |
| 10:11.35 | simonb | and a Intel Wireless WiFi 5100AGN |
| 10:11.50 | simonb | (I changed the wireless card to see if the card was the issue). |
| 10:11.58 | teraflops | did you install the proper firmware? (if needed) |
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| 10:12.16 | teraflops | simonb: look at debian wiki for your wireless NICs |
| 10:13.13 | simonb | the correct non-free firmware was provided during the install (the net install was over wireless). Do I then have to install the firmware after using it for the install? |
| 10:13.21 | simonb | already consulted the wiki, |
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| 10:16.27 | babilen | http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/cloud/debian-vm-templates.git/ in particular |
| 10:16.34 | babilen | ECHAN |
| 10:17.59 | simonb | i have verified the correct firmware is installed, and still not able to communicate with anything on network. Again during the net-install I could happily connect/ping hosts on network without issue. |
| 10:19.27 | teraflops | simonb: what are you using for configuring the network? /e/n/i, NM⦠|
| 10:20.22 | simonb | currently I am using network manager. iwconfig is showing that I am correctly associated, and netstat is showing correct routes/devices |
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| 10:26.50 | teraflops | netstat? |
| 10:27.10 | simonb | Just tried wpa_supplicant to connect and same issue. |
| 10:27.33 | simonb | netstat -rn shows correct routes. arp -a shows valuid entries for router and dhcp server. |
| 10:27.48 | simonb | valuid=valid |
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| 10:28.44 | simonb | iptables has no rules set and has policy of ACCEPT. |
| 10:31.34 | teraflops | simonb: mind pasting your /e/n/i file to https://paste.debian.net? |
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| 10:32.02 | teraflops | simonb: and yeah I know you're using NM |
| 10:35.20 | simonb | Omitting top comment: https://paste.debian.net/785949/ Thats the entire file. |
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| 10:36.32 | simonb | I stopped network manager and tried to connect withough network manager, with the same results is wha tI meant |
| 10:36.54 | simonb | top comments omitted due to have to copy type (I dont have a network cable to hand). |
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| 10:37.02 | teraflops | simonb: it looks ok, tried stopping NM and then, as root, `wpa_supplicant -B -i <interface> -D nl80211 -c <(wpa_passphrase <essid> <passphrase>) && dhclient your-iface` |
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| 10:39.05 | teraflops | simonb: stopping NM and wpa supplicant ^ |
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| 10:40.39 | teraflops | simonb: you just change the whole "<>"s for your real values |
| 10:41.12 | simonb | teraflops: same behaviour, no change. |
| 10:41.33 | teraflops | simonb: dhclient works? |
| 10:41.41 | simonb | yup, with a valid IP |
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| 10:42.12 | teraflops | simonb: well I have no idea sorry, unless your mac is blocked or something like that |
| 10:42.32 | simonb | if I attempt to ping anything the correct entry appears in the arp cache, which is odd too. |
| 10:42.44 | simonb | teraflops: thank you for helping though, its appreciated. |
| 10:42.58 | teraflops | nah good look |
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| 11:10.06 | sep | greetings. afaik the kernel and mount version in jessie does not support overlayfs. but it does support aufs. but then the nfs server does not serve the aufs joined data (just empty) ; if i install kernel from backports then mount -t aufs claims there is no such thing as aufs. but then the kernel have overlayfs ; but i can not find a backports mount package to even if the kernel supports overlay i can't mount it on jessie ;;: long story short... is t |
| 11:10.06 | sep | here a way on jessie to get nfs exported union filesystem ? |
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| 11:10.57 | Filystyn | HELLO |
| 11:11.03 | Filystyn | i need a program that |
| 11:11.17 | Filystyn | maes a screenshot of window, uploads that on some site with images. |
| 11:11.21 | missmbob | sep: the jessie-backports kernel supports it |
| 11:11.25 | Filystyn | gives me back link |
| 11:11.59 | missmbob | sep: plus this: |
| 11:12.05 | beerbroyy | Filystyn: import exists |
| 11:12.06 | missmbob | ,checkbackport mount |
| 11:12.07 | judd | Backporting package mount in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 11:12.15 | Filystyn | <beerbroyy> Filystyn: import exists ? |
| 11:12.30 | Filystyn | ????????????????????????????????????? ot sure I get what you said |
| 11:12.36 | Filystyn | ahh i get now |
| 11:12.43 | Filystyn | I want it fast no stupid imports |
| 11:12.52 | Filystyn | back to my qestion -> ANYONE!? |
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| 11:13.36 | missmbob | Filystyn: you're incredible. for months people tell you to stop demanding, screaming and repeating yourself and you never learn. |
| 11:14.09 | Filystyn | Everyone has his own unique style. |
| 11:14.19 | missmbob | Filystyn: yours is against channel policy |
| 11:14.29 | Filystyn | It is not |
| 11:14.38 | hassoon | what's up |
| 11:14.44 | hassoon | what are we arguing about |
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| 11:15.08 | Filystyn | it is the same question that was asked on linux but no one knew answer hassoon |
| 11:15.21 | beerbroyy | he answer is import and curl |
| 11:15.22 | beerbroyy | fin. |
| 11:15.26 | hassoon | Filystyn: which is ? |
| 11:15.27 | beerbroyy | +t |
| 11:15.44 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:15.45 | Filystyn | [13:11] <Filystyn> maes a screenshot of window, uploads that on some site with images. |
| 11:15.48 | missmbob | Filystyn: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRCChannelGuidelines see 2b and 2d in policy |
| 11:15.52 | Filystyn | and shuffels me back link |
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| 11:16.04 | hassoon | Filystyn: you need a software that does that for you ? |
| 11:16.13 | Filystyn | yes |
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| 11:16.30 | hassoon | Filystyn: okey, you got shutter |
| 11:17.17 | Filystyn | k installing let us see is it a good one |
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| 11:18.36 | hassoon | Filystyn: otherwise you can try some script made by someone that uploads just to imgur; here it is: https://github.com/jomo/imgur-screenshot ; i use it personally and it just does the work with a mere keyboard shortcut, but for the sake of encouraging getting software from our debian repositories, you go shutter |
| 11:18.50 | fa | How do I connect an external device using ssh service |
| 11:19.06 | teraflops | that's why I ignored him time ago |
| 11:19.15 | hassoon | teraflops: ignored what |
| 11:19.24 | Filystyn | shutter is the thing i needed |
| 11:19.31 | teraflops | who actually |
| 11:19.31 | Filystyn | Thank you very much, God Bless. |
| 11:19.45 | teraflops | Filystyn |
| 11:19.51 | hassoon | fa: ssh to the remote machine, mount it there, then ftp-copy whatever you need to your machine imo |
| 11:20.06 | missmbob | i did too. every now and again i clean out my ignore list and he's still screaming |
| 11:20.08 | hassoon | Filystyn: Any time. |
| 11:21.27 | fa | How can I get my external ip and connect to it through the machine outside the network |
| 11:22.08 | teraflops | fa: use one of those DDNS services |
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| 11:22.59 | fa | ok thanx |
| 11:23.02 | teraflops | np |
| 11:23.05 | sep | missmbob, i could get a overlayfs mounted with backport kernel if i did a sid backport of mount ; but the nfs export does not work with overlay either. the nfs client only see a empty directory. thanks for the effor anyway |
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| 11:25.11 | Putti | Is there a pastebin like server package for Debian? I tried looking on the package repos but with no luck. |
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| 11:26.40 | TomTomTo1 | so you tried "aptitude search pastebin"? |
| 11:27.02 | TomTomTo1 | oh, server package. nvm. i can't read. |
| 11:27.14 | teraflops | Putti: or just make an alias to ix|sprunge|clbin|ptpb|whatever in your ~/.shellrc file and pipe commands to it |
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| 11:28.28 | teraflops | http://ix.io/18BC :P |
| 11:28.33 | Putti | teraflops, that might or might not help getting server software :DD |
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| 11:28.42 | teraflops | Putti: sorry? |
| 11:28.48 | missmbob | Putti: it's not packaged but the source code for paste.debian.net is available...https://github.com/formorer/paste.pl |
| 11:29.18 | Putti | teraflops, I was looking for the server side code |
| 11:29.50 | missmbob | Putti: i like dpaste.de's source...also available. https://github.com/bartTC/dpaste |
| 11:29.56 | fa | How can I get outside my intellectual property and connect to it remotely by ssh service |
| 11:29.56 | Putti | missmbob, ok, looks like I have to use just the non-packaged pastebins |
| 11:29.57 | teraflops | Putti: you were looking for the rest API? good luck |
| 11:30.02 | fa | How can I get outside my intellectual property and connect to it remotely by ssh service |
| 11:30.18 | Putti | teraflops, nope, Hosting my own pastebin like service |
| 11:30.31 | fa | plz help me |
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| 11:31.06 | Putti | Thank you for the help all! :) |
| 11:31.23 | TomTomTo1 | fa "outside your intellectual property?" does the machine you want to connect to have a public ip or is it behind a nat? |
| 11:32.10 | fa | He was my |
| 11:32.12 | teraflops | Putti: install one it's a matter of setting it up in your web server, a lot of alternatives out there, none of them packaged afaik |
| 11:32.35 | teraflops | Putti: most of then sucks imo |
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| 11:32.47 | Putti | teraflops, ok |
| 11:32.50 | TomTomTo1 | fa no need to msg me, i still don't understand a word you say. |
| 11:33.00 | teraflops | fa: please elaborate |
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| 11:34.12 | fa | I want to contact the device's my remote ssh |
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| 11:34.29 | teraflops | fa: are you using google translator? |
| 11:34.36 | fa | yup |
| 11:34.39 | teraflops | :S |
| 11:34.42 | fa | yes |
| 11:35.09 | missmbob | fa: do you know any language outside of Lithuanian? there might be a better channel... |
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| 11:35.13 | teraflops | fa: what's your native language? |
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| 11:35.19 | teraflops | ah |
| 11:35.23 | fa | Arabic |
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| 11:35.44 | missmbob | !arabic |
| 11:35.44 | dpkg | Ù
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باÙÙغة اÙعربÙØ© ÙتÙزÙعة دبÙا٠جÙÙ\ÙÙÙÙÙس , اÙرجاء اÙتÙج٠اÙÙ ÙÙاة ##debian-ar |
| 11:35.46 | missmbob | that helps |
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| 11:35.59 | missmbob | i hope :P |
| 11:36.50 | fa | ok |
| 11:37.13 | venkat_330 | I get unable to start sftp sub system when client is trying to connect ,,,, |
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| 11:37.49 | teraflops | fa: sorry my fusha al'arabiyya is rusty |
| 11:37.56 | teraflops | oh he left |
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| 11:38.16 | domovoy | hi |
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| 11:43.19 | domovoy | i'm making a script that should umount a certain directory, for that i first need to umount anything under it though. as 'man mount' suggested, i took a look at findmnt. Works well, but i don't understand the '-d backward' option. Example: 'findmnt -nrR -d backward -o TARGET -S /dev/sda8' gives me, in that order /usr /usr/src and /usr/local. Shouldn't that be /usr/local /usr/src /usr ? |
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| 11:44.48 | petemc | domovoy: if you omit the -d backward does it do it the other way? |
| 11:45.09 | domovoy | i could pipe the output of findmnt to something like 'sort -r', but if findmnt can do it itself, it would avoid a useless load of an external program in my script |
| 11:45.17 | domovoy | petemc> no, it doesn't |
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| 11:45.53 | fa | i need anyone help me (( Arabic Language )) |
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| 11:46.25 | domovoy | so, is this a bug, or am i misunderstanding the use of '-d'? |
| 11:47.17 | domovoy | thing is 'findmnt -nrR -d backward -o TARGET' (no source) DO list all mounts backward |
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| 11:51.46 | complib | hi, who's the package maintaine for apache2? |
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| 11:53.31 | Putti | complib, Maintainer: Debian Apache Maintainers <debian-apache@lists.debian.org> |
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| 11:54.10 | complib | Putti, thanks, i'll try to email them. :) |
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| 11:55.13 | MaBunny | hey guys |
| 11:55.19 | MaBunny | good evening |
| 11:55.59 | MaBunny | i hav a question |
| 11:56.06 | Putti | complib, np, and in the future (if you use debian) you can just use "apt show <package name>" |
| 11:56.13 | MaBunny | is there a terminal only version of debian jessie??? |
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| 11:56.40 | MaBunny | i want to run it |
| 11:56.42 | complib | ah, didn't know that command! appreciate the advice! |
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| 11:57.05 | MaBunny | i mean i kno i can download the normal CD isos and run the ttys from it |
| 11:57.08 | Putti | MaBunny, download just the base system when using netinstaller (so don't tick any boxes when it asks you what you want to install) |
| 11:57.18 | MaBunny | ok |
| 11:57.21 | MaBunny | ah i forgot |
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| 12:03.18 | p3rror | Hello |
| 12:03.32 | p3rror | How to remove a file with special character ` in name |
| 12:04.05 | Stummi | on terminal, put the filename into single quotes |
| 12:04.16 | Stummi | rm 'my `special` file' |
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| 12:04.56 | p3rror | How can I do it in a script |
| 12:05.15 | Stummi | assuming its a sh or bash script, the same way |
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| 12:05.42 | teraflops | "$1"? |
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| 12:13.08 | p3rror | teraflops, does not work |
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| 12:13.20 | p3rror | I have a variable that contain a number of files |
| 12:13.25 | p3rror | the var is $var |
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| 12:13.58 | missmbob | p3rror: you should probably ask #bash for scripting help |
| 12:14.04 | teraflops | for i in whatever rm ... |
| 12:14.18 | teraflops | also #bash |
| 12:14.24 | p3rror | yes I do |
| 12:14.31 | p3rror | I'll be back |
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| 12:24.00 | complib | am i doing it wrong? i've always use apt-get, should i use apt instead? |
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| 12:25.52 | Stummi | prefers aptitude |
| 12:26.24 | missmbob | complib: there is no "wrong". apt is just a combination of apt-get and apt-cache (especially in stretch/sid version). aptitude has magic dependency...you use what you prefer |
| 12:26.30 | glcx | wonder if apt-get update if not > to aptitude update |
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| 12:28.44 | Stummi | glcx, I think for "update" theres no much difference between apt-get and aptitude |
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| 12:31.51 | glcx | was always using apt-get update then aptitude xxx :( |
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| 12:32.50 | kocane | Hi guys |
| 12:33.02 | kocane | I've noticed that programs that handles large files builds up a massive memory usage |
| 12:33.21 | kocane | The memory isn't seen as used by any process but it isn't marked as cache either |
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| 12:33.52 | kocane | It seems like it can be ffmpeg as well as a torrent program, both deluge and utorrent in my testings. It's like a cache that never clears? |
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| 12:39.08 | teraflops | kocane: non buffered/cached memory is useless memory anyway, and cached != used |
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| 12:40.22 | tinyhippo | if there is a binary package with /9 |
| 12:40.40 | missmbob | kocane: with deluge i'm seeding about 15G's worth and i'm at 159M |
| 12:41.12 | kocane | teraflops: but it's not really marked as cache? |
| 12:41.50 | teraflops | kocane: where are you looking for? |
| 12:42.13 | kocane | htop? |
| 12:42.31 | teraflops | try free -m (simpler) |
| 12:42.45 | teraflops | or -h |
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| 12:43.11 | missmbob | pmap -x $PID is also useful |
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| 12:44.42 | teraflops | kocane: I meant where are you looking at^ |
| 12:45.03 | kocane | teraflops: missmbob: well it seems like my memory has stopped at 5195 ca. |
| 12:45.11 | kocane | As I download something right now it doesn't increase anymore |
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| 12:45.29 | kocane | regardless |
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| 12:45.53 | kocane | I can see, in deluge for instance, the ram usage build up as I download. If I stop and remove the torrent before it finishes, the ram usages clears down |
| 12:45.58 | kocane | but if it finishes, it never stops |
| 12:46.07 | kocane | it never goes down* |
| 12:46.21 | missmbob | yeah i don't think you have a problem |
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| 12:46.33 | missmbob | like teraflops said ram is meant to be used. unsed ram is useless |
| 12:47.10 | kocane | lol |
| 12:47.11 | kocane | I get that |
| 12:47.13 | kocane | but it's not using it |
| 12:47.18 | kocane | the file is processed |
| 12:47.20 | kocane | it's downloaded |
| 12:47.21 | kocane | it's over |
| 12:47.26 | kocane | it should clear |
| 12:47.43 | teraflops | kocane: all the torrent clients I tried pre-allocate the full size of the file, perhaps it's a memory eager process |
| 12:47.45 | Putti | kocane, maybe it keeps it on memory for seeding? |
| 12:48.05 | teraflops | kocane: for those really big files you're talking about |
| 12:48.08 | kocane | Putti: Ye I think it does but I stop the torrents |
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| 12:48.15 | kocane | Data even gets converted and moved |
| 12:49.26 | kocane | and echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches clears it all down to 300 mb-ish again |
| 12:49.51 | teraflops | kocane: paste free -h output to a sane pastebin also used != cached/buffered |
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| 12:50.36 | kocane | http://pastebin.com/0KJeFhnd |
| 12:50.52 | teraflops | kocane: that's not a sane pastebin ⦠|
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| 12:51.27 | teraflops | sorry I meant sane pastebin site |
| 12:51.31 | TomTomTo1 | cache works on the principle of locality. things that have been recently used are kept in memory because it's likely they will be used again. clearing it gives you nothing beneficial. |
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| 12:55.58 | kocane | teraflops: I don't know what that is |
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| 12:56.36 | kocane | TomTomTo1: so it's normal for servers that occasional handle big files to constantly have a 70% ram usage |
| 12:57.05 | TomTomTo1 | sure. if it's just in cache. |
| 12:58.18 | TomTomTo1 | if the application doesn't free its memory you would see it using ps aux for example. |
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| 13:01.02 | kocane | TomTomTo1: eh, is there any difference bewteen ps aux, top, htop etc to see how much mem an app uses? |
| 13:01.21 | TomTomTo1 | nope |
| 13:01.34 | kocane | and the mem usage is not shown as being used by any app |
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| 13:01.54 | kocane | http://i.imgur.com/huA66KQ.png |
| 13:02.03 | TomTomTo1 | 0.0 would mean it's just less than 0.1% of your total memory. |
| 13:02.20 | kocane | and I can just kill all of these processes |
| 13:02.22 | kocane | with no difference |
| 13:02.32 | kocane | even the ones I KNOW made the mem usage increase in the first place |
| 13:02.44 | missmbob | what just happened |
| 13:02.50 | TomTomTo1 | i don't know.. |
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| 13:03.08 | TomTomTo1 | you are just killing random processes now? :D |
| 13:03.20 | kocane | no, deluge, plex, nzbdrone, java |
| 13:03.20 | kocane | etc |
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| 13:04.08 | missmbob | why? they're barely using anything |
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| 13:04.41 | kocane | No kidding |
| 13:04.50 | kocane | A deluge torrent made the ram usage skyrocket |
| 13:04.56 | missmbob | deluge is 0.4%. that's enough to tick you off? sure, kill it |
| 13:05.00 | kocane | Killing the processes doesnt even free the cached uses |
| 13:05.05 | TomTomTo1 | cache doesn't work on an application level. |
| 13:05.08 | missmbob | no |
| 13:06.13 | kocane | but cache is still shown as 'used'? |
| 13:06.15 | teraflops | kocane: try a different torrent client, maybe it has a memory leak bug |
| 13:06.34 | kocane | teraflops: yup, I figured that as well. Finally got myself around setting up uTorrent |
| 13:06.37 | kocane | no difference |
| 13:06.47 | kocane | even a file ffmpeg processed made the ram usage go up and never come down |
| 13:06.51 | teraflops | cache is cache not used I really do not understand what you say |
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| 13:07.11 | kocane | My screenshot wasn't even opened lol? |
| 13:07.16 | teraflops | nope |
| 13:07.16 | TomTomTo1 | but it's not the application doing the caching. the os does some magic heuristics to predict future FS access. it doesn't care if you kill an application. |
| 13:07.18 | teraflops | :P |
| 13:07.21 | kocane | Alright then |
| 13:07.35 | kocane | TomTomTo1: OS cache is shown as cache, we agree? |
| 13:07.37 | kocane | Not "used"? |
| 13:07.38 | teraflops | kocane: try free |
| 13:07.48 | kocane | I pasted free result at pastebin some mins ago |
| 13:08.03 | teraflops | kocane: sorry I do not click pastebin links |
| 13:08.03 | kocane | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.04 | kocane | Mem: 7.7G 5.4G 2.3G 0B 50M 498M |
| 13:08.04 | kocane | -/+ buffers/cache: 4.9G 2.8G |
| 13:08.04 | kocane | Swap: 3.1G 0B 3.1G |
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| 13:08.23 | kocane | Yeah okay that had consequences lol |
| 13:08.26 | TomTomTo1 | you calculate used - cached then you have the actual memory used by applications. |
| 13:08.49 | teraflops | kocane: yeah use https://paste.debian.net |
| 13:09.18 | kocane | https://paste.debian.net/785972/ |
| 13:09.55 | greycat | removes the 's' so he can open it |
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| 13:10.15 | greycat | What are we supposed to be looking for exactly? |
| 13:10.23 | kocane | fgsfds |
| 13:10.24 | missmbob | greycat: dear god that's still not been settled? :P |
| 13:10.35 | greycat | Why would it be? Jessie is "stable". |
| 13:10.45 | greycat | That means your bugs stay put. Usually. |
| 13:10.46 | missmbob | greycat: we're trying to explain cached memory. much harder than expected |
| 13:10.54 | greycat | !free ram |
| 13:10.54 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 13:11.10 | greycat | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 13:11.53 | kocane | New rule: Cached RAM is Used RAM |
| 13:12.08 | missmbob | this isn't bill maher |
| 13:12.22 | kocane | Yeah, seems like The view |
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| 13:12.31 | greycat | If http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ doesn't work then I don't know what would work. |
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| 13:13.13 | spleen | Hello All |
| 13:13.15 | missmbob | can't tell if that was a stab at my nick or not.. |
| 13:13.45 | spleen | Is someone have experience about zookeeper ? |
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| 13:14.21 | teraflops | kocane: free output from procps 2:3.3.9-9 is a bit confusing |
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| 13:15.13 | teraflops | kocane: I find http://ix.io/18Df easier to understand |
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| 13:16.00 | greycat | which is not very helpful since you didn't show what command generated that |
| 13:16.34 | teraflops | free from procps-ng 3.3.12-1 in other distro |
| 13:16.46 | sebd | hello, I am looking for a standard simple way to log all write operations under a given folder of the local filesystem : what file, when, uid and executable path. Should I do it with dnotify or is there better ? |
| 13:17.27 | missmbob | inotify replaced dnotify...might look into that |
| 13:17.53 | sebd | (we have experienced random file and folder deletions over the last 2 weeks) |
| 13:18.07 | missmbob | ha. and you're just now looking at it? |
| 13:18.18 | missmbob | reinstall |
| 13:18.20 | greycat | Oh, logging unlinks sounds WAY more sane than logging all writes. |
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| 13:19.05 | kocane | teraflops: how do I output like you sent in that link? |
| 13:19.26 | greycat | kocane: you can't. He cheated by doing something on a non-Debian system and not identifying the system in the paste. |
| 13:19.41 | domovoy | i'm making a script that should umount a certain directory, for that i first need to umount anything under it though. as 'man mount' suggested, i took a look at findmnt. Works well, but i don't understand the '-d backward' option. Example: 'findmnt -nrR -d backward -o TARGET -S /dev/sda8' gives me, in that order /usr /usr/src and /usr/local. Shouldn't that be /usr/local /usr/src /usr ? |
| 13:19.46 | kocane | greycat: aye |
| 13:19.55 | teraflops | sebd: or just use auditctl |
| 13:20.15 | teraflops | kocane: 15:16:34 teraflops ⸠free from procps-ng 3.3.12-1 in other distro |
| 13:20.28 | greycat | domovoy: hard-code the umount commands in the script in the correct sequence. |
| 13:20.33 | greycat | domovoy: stop trying to be l33t. |
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| 13:21.07 | rozie | mountpoints in mounted directory? |
| 13:21.21 | rozie | sounds hardcore |
| 13:21.25 | teraflops | greycat: please be kind, I didn't cheated I just said the output is confusing compared to procp-ng |
| 13:21.36 | greycat | He apparently has nested mounts (/usr/local on top of /usr) and for some INEXPLICABLE reason he thinks he needs to umount /usr in a script. |
| 13:21.39 | greycat | I can't even guess. |
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| 13:22.10 | kocane | So in "free", should my gigs of used memory show under "cached" :)? |
| 13:22.16 | domovoy | greycat> thing is, i don't know what could be mounted under that particular directory, doesn't depend on me |
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| 13:22.33 | greycat | domovoy: It's YOUR system, so YES it depends on YOUR knowledge. |
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| 13:23.37 | greycat | kocane: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 13:24.01 | domovoy | greycat> i'm not the only one using that system, and anyway it doesn't solve the question "why does 'findmnt -d backward' behave like this?" |
| 13:24.12 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 13:24.58 | greycat | If you've got Rival Roots editing your fucking /etc/fstab, then I feel some pity for you, but jesus christ, get a realistic problem if you want us to be able to help. |
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| 13:25.45 | kocane | greycat: |
| 13:25.45 | kocane | -/+ buffers/cache: 4.9G 2.8G |
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| 13:25.49 | kocane | 4.9G used |
| 13:26.07 | kocane | that is 4.9 G in cache? |
| 13:26.18 | greycat | kocane: did you *read* http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ where it explains how to read the two different output formats of free? |
| 13:27.03 | domovoy | greycat> fstab is not involved here, for a full story the script is a reinstallation using debootstrap, and the umount commands are to be sure any partition from the target hard drive are unmounted before partitionning/formatting again |
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| 13:28.06 | domovoy | and that means any physical partition, but also stuff like proc, sysfs... |
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| 13:28.41 | kocane | greycat: so in htop how would this typically show up? |
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| 13:28.49 | greycat | Don'tknowDon'tcare |
| 13:29.01 | kocane | cool |
| 13:29.05 | greycat | I would run free and read the output according to the instructions in http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 13:30.02 | saunamees | Hi, I am trying to upload a file with POST, but receiving warning/not uploading. Warning is : "You can only select one HTTP request". My Bash script: http://paste.debian.net/785975/ |
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| 13:31.12 | sebd | thank you missmbob and teraflops, lets investigate |
| 13:31.20 | greycat | If this were #bash we would trigger a whole bunch of bot factoids for the errors in that script.... |
| 13:32.09 | greycat | You can get some of them by using http://shellcheck.net/ |
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| 13:33.08 | saunamees | No issues detected ... |
| 13:33.09 | greycat | After the bash issues are sorted out, you'll probably be better off in #curl since your actual question is about curl rather than bash. |
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| 13:33.23 | teraflops | yeah +1 for that I do syntastic + shellcheck in vim |
| 13:33.35 | greycat | Do you want me to list off the bash errors, then? |
| 13:33.40 | greycat | 1) All caps variable names. |
| 13:33.54 | greycat | 2) Command Inside A String Variable on line 5. Write a function or use an array of arguments. |
| 13:34.05 | greycat | 3) Unquoted parameter expansions on lin 14 and probably others. |
| 13:34.21 | greycat | 4) Use of echo -en instead of printf. |
| 13:34.41 | saunamees | 4 ? |
| 13:35.00 | greycat | Those are the 4 that I see at the moment. There may be more. |
| 13:35.33 | saunamees | how is 1 or 4 an arror |
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| 13:36.18 | greycat | All caps variable names typically collide with internal shell and environment variables. They are strongly discouraged. Just ask the guy who tries to make a variable named PATH. |
| 13:36.18 | missmbob | i dont think he got the "go to #bash" part... |
| 13:36.46 | saunamees | going away, relax |
| 13:36.53 | greycat | echo -e and echo -n and echo IN GENERAL are deprecated because the behavior is different across systems. printf replaces it for all fancy purposes. |
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| 13:47.31 | jhutchins | printf seems like a coder-centric conceit. |
| 13:47.32 | indistylo | Folks, I am getting error from line 954-977, see http://pastebin.com/MZG7j5vT , the package I guess is not available, What the way to fix it? |
| 13:48.06 | greycat | There are genuine cases where echo *cannot* produce the correct result. Consider echo "$foo". It writes the contents of foo, yes? Now consider foo='-n' |
| 13:48.50 | greycat | On some systems/shells you'll get the expected result, and on some systems/shells you will get nothing. |
| 13:49.10 | greycat | There is another class of systems/shells that fails if you have foo='\c' |
| 13:49.15 | missmbob | your pastebin.com just crashed chrome. good job. |
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| 13:55.39 | unborn | missmbob: its your browser, dont fucking blaim others.. its our problem |
| 13:56.18 | missmbob | pastebin.com deserves to be blamed for all sins |
| 13:56.21 | unborn | anyone else here today tired of an idiots? ist sysadmin day.. com-on people :) |
| 13:57.01 | glcx | my internet is slow |
| 13:57.07 | unborn | missmbob: pastebin dont do a crap you saying so.. - please go somewhere else |
| 13:57.08 | glcx | i mush change my computer |
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| 13:57.24 | glcx | :3 |
| 13:57.29 | glcx | must* |
| 13:57.30 | glcx | damn :'( |
| 13:57.41 | jmcnaught | unborn: pastebin causes problems for lots of people, we prefer it not be used here. |
| 13:57.50 | unborn | glcx: sure - change it.. eh |
| 13:57.59 | glcx | meh |
| 13:58.04 | TomTomTo1 | and no need to pick a fight.. |
| 13:58.21 | unborn | jmcnaught: aha its for real.. |
| 13:58.36 | missmbob | thanks for playing though |
| 13:58.42 | unborn | TomTomTo1: no ones pick the fight.. |
| 13:58.55 | unborn | - am i alone on this? |
| 13:59.00 | TomTomTo1 | yeah... |
| 13:59.09 | unborn | - no more common sense? |
| 13:59.30 | missmbob | wonders what the hell i did |
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| 13:59.37 | glcx | you better pick a shoe |
| 13:59.37 | unborn | TomTomTo1: sure - im sure it will follow you.. karma is biatch.. enjoy |
| 13:59.40 | glcx | hide |
| 13:59.43 | jmcnaught | indistylo: you might get more help if you show the packages you're having trouble with, and what happens when you try installing them manually. expecting people to find and parse specific lines on puppet output might be asking too much |
| 14:00.11 | jmcnaught | unborn: please be nice or quiet. |
| 14:00.34 | indistylo | jmcnaught: I did apt-get update ,You can see here http://pastebin.com/UHrYM1dh |
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| 14:00.56 | indistylo | jmcnaught: & I also did apt-cache policy |
| 14:00.58 | unborn | jmcnaught: im always nice - im supervised you asking me to be quiet |
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| 14:02.23 | unborn | jmcnaught: you as an op - is that warning to me? - to let me down with my years of know-how? is it? - is that new debian - help policy? specially in today when sysadmin day is on? is it? |
| 14:02.48 | TomTomTo1 | just move on. this is getting silly. |
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| 14:03.10 | unborn | TomTomTo1: what is getting silly? .. |
| 14:03.13 | jmcnaught | indistylo: have you run "apt-get update"? maybe you're on a mirror that is a little out of date |
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| 14:04.57 | unborn | ...is that for real people? if it is I can go away simple.. but - where we are with freedom? where is our debian motto? |
| 14:05.07 | jmcnaught | unborn: i'm not an op, i'm a regular user. i'm asking you to be respectful of others because you're in public. if you can't, then please be quiet. |
| 14:05.15 | unborn | - no one else on chan? |
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| 14:05.50 | greycat | If the polite requests go unheeded, then things may escalate. We don't want that, so we're waiting patiently. |
| 14:06.10 | teraflops | unborn: just relax I appreciate your contributions, stop calling people idiot, that's all |
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| 14:06.46 | unborn | teraflops: - thank you. sorry for that.. just - you right. |
| 14:06.55 | unborn | jmcnaught: sorry. |
| 14:07.15 | indistylo | jmcnaught: yes i ran apt-get update |
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| 14:07.59 | indistylo | So the thing I install the things from the local repo |
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| 14:08.19 | jmcnaught | indistylo: i no longer have a wheezy system, but rmadison tells me that openssh-server is 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4 in both wheezy and wheezy-security. sounds like your local repo is not up to date |
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| 14:08.33 | indistylo | it might be that its not available in local version, Can you check this http://pastebin.com/k4YgxhVE |
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| 14:09.52 | greycat | ,v openssh-server |
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| 14:11.28 | missmbob | judd's been gone for a while. is that run by themill ? |
| 14:11.44 | greycat | It's here, but apparently not working. |
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| 14:13.37 | teraflops | it wasnt in my channel, not it joined and it works |
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| 14:13.54 | teraflops | ,v openssh-server |
| 14:13.55 | judd | Package: openssh-server on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security-lts: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze8; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; sid: 1:7.2p2-7; stretch: |
| 14:13.56 | judd | 1:7.2p2-7 |
| 14:14.09 | teraflops | now* |
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| 14:14.34 | greycat | That's... weird. /whois judd showed it in #debian both before and after. |
| 14:14.38 | unborn | judd is here but - its answer-ring only what it knows.. |
| 14:14.53 | missmbob | greycat: wasn't here for me either. |
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| 14:18.15 | unborn | jmcnaught: I did abuse that paste site for long time perhpas its good time to promote paste.debian.org? there is one thing Ive noticed - no js need it.. |
| 14:18.27 | unborn | ..just for tests |
| 14:18.33 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/ and we promote it all the time |
| 14:18.49 | unborn | oh not org but net.... :) |
| 14:19.04 | missmbob | hell it's in the topic |
| 14:19.23 | greycat | well, not directly but... |
| 14:19.27 | unborn | missmbob: perhaps..im just asking.. |
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| 14:24.55 | unborn | greycat: but means indirectly anyway it is stated there, to be honest with you I wrote my own paste which works on js.. it self - it does see who paste and then it seas who is decrypted hat file to see what paste is..in mean time I stopped using it here coz - i share others mentors believes and in end of the day paste bin should be clean.. |
| 14:25.17 | teraflops | greycat: yeah you're right e.g elinks dislikes https://paste.debian.net |
| 14:25.24 | unborn | means no js no work here. |
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| 14:27.24 | unborn | where is an problematic link on paste bin? may I have look at it? |
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| 14:28.05 | greycat | Randomly, pastebin.com decides that when I am looking at a raw link (as requested by pasting a raw URL from IRC), it wants to "quiz me" and throws some javascript at me instead of the actual cotent. |
| 14:28.30 | greycat | The result in elinks is some line like "please refresh page", which of course does not actually work. |
| 14:28.40 | greycat | Other people dislike pastebin.com because it has ads, etc. |
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| 14:29.06 | TomTomTo1 | pastebin has a spamfilter that triggers often enough when posted here, it aggressively advertises and tries to push their paid service on you. and other problems that i don't care enough to recall. |
| 14:29.46 | greycat | So it's not a matter of "a problematic link on pastebin.com" but the entire site as a whole. |
| 14:30.09 | unborn | yeah same for my own pastebin - it does encrypt all data on browser bases - so ..only the person receiving the link can read the thingy.. makes it much more secure however I do respect - clear text :) |
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| 14:30.10 | teraflops | unborn: Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF line-endings. Ads, Spamfilters, Captcha, Adds whitespace, Slow, Ugly, No comment/annotate, Breaks copy/paste, Blocked for some people, etc. |
| 14:31.08 | unborn | teraflops: I see now.. I used pastebin ove terminal.. did not really seen this.. sorry. |
| 14:31.23 | unborn | *over the |
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| 14:31.30 | missmbob | how come teraflops keeps getting the sorries when i was the one called an idiot? :P |
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| 14:32.33 | bagbobilgins | you're not an idiot, missmbob |
| 14:32.36 | bagbobilgins | x |
| 14:32.44 | unborn | missmbob: we all have own days.. I did my mistake - and I did I am deeply sorry for it |
| 14:33.02 | missmbob | unborn: thanks |
| 14:33.08 | missmbob | bagbobilgins: you too :P |
| 14:33.40 | unborn | no one calls you an idiot.. and I am sorry if that touched you personally - its just - one of my days.. im sorry for that. |
| 14:34.02 | missmbob | unborn: appreciate it. hope it gets better for you |
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| 14:34.31 | unborn | missmbob: it did - just right a way. |
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| 14:35.03 | unborn | - really? |
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| 14:37.12 | unborn | or perhaps - not really....... |
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| 14:57.43 | Guest25949 | adobe flash not updated at servers |
| 14:58.24 | greycat | and...? |
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| 14:58.54 | Guest25949 | using firefox |
| 14:59.06 | unborn | Guest25949: and? |
| 14:59.19 | torpet_ | what kernel will debian stretch use? i remember reading somewhere that it would use 4.1, but now i see that testing has 4.6 in it. |
| 14:59.25 | bagbobilgins | Guest25949: 32 bit? |
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| 14:59.51 | Guest25949 | 64 bit |
| 14:59.55 | unborn | torpet_: would you mind to talk to stretch people on this issue? - another channel |
| 15:00.08 | bagbobilgins | Guest25949: perhaps look into pepperflash? |
| 15:00.14 | missmbob | torpet_: it has 4.6 right now. it changes often |
| 15:00.18 | greycat | torpet_: last I heard, they were postponing the freeze specifically get an anticipated kernel version (4.10 I think) |
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| 15:00.29 | unborn | Guest25949: on my end everything works.. what is your problem? |
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| 15:00.36 | unborn | may I know? |
| 15:02.05 | Guest25949 | wont update not sure if its pkg manager |
| 15:02.10 | greycat | "2016-03-03: Decided to defer everything by 2 months to release with Linux 4.10 " from https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
| 15:02.35 | missmbob | Guest25949: i don't use it but i've heard about this "wont upgrade" problem from being in here. apparently purge and reinstall fixes it. no idea why. don't care. |
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| 15:02.55 | unborn | Guest25949: did you realised - with chrome you dont need to install anything? its build in |
| 15:03.06 | missmbob | unborn: he's not using chrome |
| 15:03.15 | bagbobilgins | Guest25949: chrome would be my recommondation, too |
| 15:03.23 | Guest25949 | believe pepperflash is chromiunium dont like code |
| 15:03.29 | bagbobilgins | without getting into a who loves which browser best war |
| 15:03.41 | unborn | missmbob: sure - im positive - he did not say anything like it |
| 15:03.51 | bagbobilgins | but the pepperflash is taken from chrome, it is better maintained than adobeflash, I hear |
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| 15:04.11 | missmbob | unborn: 14:58 < Guest25949> using firefox |
| 15:04.15 | missmbob | unborn: are you drunk? |
| 15:04.20 | unborn | missmbob: - they need to tell.. |
| 15:04.35 | Guest25949 | ref https://prism-break.org |
| 15:04.59 | unborn | missmbob: drunk? - I wish - perhaps I should be.. |
| 15:05.03 | bagbobilgins | https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer/Installing Guest25949 |
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| 15:05.29 | missmbob | unborn: perhaps. seriously. read or..i don't know. don't comment |
| 15:05.39 | unborn | missmbob: well.. perhaps - you can get to this issue |
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| 15:05.46 | bagbobilgins | ahh, sorry, I see from your link you may have issues with google code trusting? |
| 15:05.51 | bagbobilgins | Guest25949: ^ |
| 15:06.07 | bagbobilgins | but somehow adobe are ok? |
| 15:06.18 | unborn | sure.. :) |
| 15:06.19 | bagbobilgins | in that case gnash |
| 15:06.31 | bagbobilgins | but I cannot attest to the quality of that |
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| 15:07.33 | missmbob | google got fucked up when apt switched from sha1...i think #chromium would be a good idea on how to fix the trust issue. |
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| 15:08.23 | unborn | missmbob: sorry markybob.. have a go.. |
| 15:08.39 | Guest25949 | use private search engine startpage servers from netherlands theirs goes to google servers then back to them then to me |
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| 15:08.58 | missmbob | unborn: no. you're just going on ignore until my next wipe |
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| 15:09.54 | unborn | Guest25949: private search engine? - reason ? perhaps you follow the guide |
| 15:10.01 | unborn | s |
| 15:10.31 | bagbobilgins | Guest25949: I don't know where the best place to get support for firefox with adobe flash, but perhaps if you paste your error message we can begin to help you |
| 15:10.44 | bagbobilgins | I accidental "is" |
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| 15:11.37 | teraflops | imo chromium is saner since chrome ships its own set of libraries amongst other issues |
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| 15:12.44 | bagbobilgins | hang on, firefox..? Guest25949 are you on testing? |
| 15:13.03 | missmbob | bagbobilgins: fyi...firefox is on jessie now too |
| 15:13.05 | bagbobilgins | ,v firefox |
| 15:13.06 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 47.0.1-1~bpo80+1; sid: 47.0.1-1; experimental: 48.0~b1-1 |
| 15:13.14 | greycat | it's "firefox-esr" on jessie, IIRC |
| 15:13.18 | bagbobilgins | ah, I need to look at backports |
| 15:13.26 | bagbobilgins | sorry |
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| 15:13.53 | greycat | Guest25949: please state your version of Debian, *exactly* which browser you are using, and what the problem is. |
| 15:14.13 | greycat | Just saying "adobe flash" does not constitute a coherent problem report. |
| 15:14.18 | unborn | he wont.. |
| 15:14.41 | unborn | - that is what I mean it.. |
| 15:15.38 | bagbobilgins | unborn: a lot of your problems with communicating seem to come down to using your return key as some sort of additional punctuation symbol |
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| 15:16.56 | unborn | bagbobilgins: I am happy there - i do not using your crap saying here.. can you see it? or you are - cannot call you an idiot, but perhaps you are? |
| 15:17.19 | missmbob | okay c'mon now |
| 15:17.32 | bagbobilgins | quite possibly, yes, unborn: in the sense that I don't have a vote, definitely |
| 15:17.39 | unborn | really people ? |
| 15:17.48 | greycat | unborn: please stop. |
| 15:17.55 | missmbob | unborn: and read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRCChannelGuidelines |
| 15:18.12 | bagbobilgins | but enough, we should just wait for Guest25949 to get back to us, or some other problem to occupy us |
| 15:18.13 | unborn | greycat: sure. |
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| 15:19.07 | Guest25949 | thanks bagbobobilgins firefox can be configured not able in chromium imo as little proprietary as possible those who control code can do good & bad |
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| 15:19.42 | missmbob | Guest25949: just an fyi - chrome can do netflix on linux. chromium can't. |
| 15:19.47 | bagbobilgins | Guest25949: if that is your prime motivation I'd suggest gnash over adobe flash |
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| 15:20.44 | bagbobilgins | http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
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| 15:20.59 | Guest25949 | will try but not sure it will works |
| 15:21.01 | bagbobilgins | it is non-proprietary and open source |
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| 15:21.30 | teraflops | missmbob: chromium can't do nexflix on debian ^ |
| 15:21.36 | Guest25949 | ok thank you very much |
| 15:21.55 | bagbobilgins | you're welcome, chum |
| 15:23.02 | missmbob | teraflops: that is what i said.. |
| 15:23.13 | teraflops | you said linux! |
| 15:23.18 | teraflops | ;) |
| 15:23.29 | missmbob | oh dear :/ |
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| 15:26.22 | mint__ | hello |
| 15:26.38 | mint__ | I am installing mint in Macbook air. How it is different then debian |
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| 15:27.35 | bagbobilgins | mint is derived from debian via ubuntu, mint__ |
| 15:27.36 | MrKeuner | hello, I have 5 debian machine working on the same NFS location. Is there a suggested way to lock a text file while any of the 5 machines is modifying it? |
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| 15:27.57 | bagbobilgins | unless you have mind DE which is directly derived from Debian |
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| 15:28.03 | mint__ | bagbobilgins: Okay so which one is better? |
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| 15:28.08 | bagbobilgins | Debian |
| 15:28.08 | missmbob | mint__: depending on what you use it's based on debian or ubuntu (which is based on debian). anyway, neither are supported here. the main difference is they have packages newer than stable and more user-friendly. |
| 15:28.22 | glcx | Isn't mint designed for unexperimented users ? |
| 15:28.22 | mint__ | Okay Isee |
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| 15:28.38 | mint__ | I have used debian it was nice |
| 15:28.39 | bagbobilgins | glcx: that's my impression |
| 15:28.48 | mint__ | but mint look cooler |
| 15:29.05 | omajid_ | hey folks. can anyone point me to a debian document that spells out "don't put binaries in your source tarball" or "if the source tarball contains prebuilt binaries, remove them during build" or something? |
| 15:29.15 | glcx | well you can customize to infinite with debian anyway |
| 15:30.09 | glcx | it's only an GUI |
| 15:30.53 | mint__ | yeah |
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| 15:31.08 | mint__ | I wanted debian but debian won't work with macs |
| 15:31.25 | missmbob | mint__: cooler? https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_suffer_from_Shiny_New_Stuff_Syndrome |
| 15:31.27 | bagbobilgins | is it a powerpc mac, missmbob? |
| 15:31.47 | bagbobilgins | sorry missmbob, mint__ ^ |
| 15:32.28 | TomTomTo1 | those still exist? :D |
| 15:32.47 | missmbob | bagbobilgins: ironically that's why i changed to miss. there were too many nicks starting with "mark" and people kept getting different nicks and i never got notified. went to miss because there aren't many :P |
| 15:33.42 | bagbobilgins | well, risibly, I am just /me to annoy someone who's nick starts "bag" |
| 15:33.52 | Guest25949 | mint i believe it would with partitioning i maybe incorrect |
| 15:34.33 | bagbobilgins | mint__: what do you mean by "debian won't work with macs"? |
| 15:34.44 | mint__ | Guest25949: I had done installation but after then it wouldn't able to boot, just stuck at blank screen. |
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| 15:35.06 | missmbob | yeah. uefi. follow the wiki he pointed you to |
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| 15:35.12 | mint__ | bagbobilgins: debian not work with macbook air |
| 15:35.13 | missmbob | you can't use live, btw. |
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| 15:35.24 | missmbob | oh air...i don't know about air, actually. |
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| 15:36.05 | mint__ | AIR |
| 15:36.06 | Putti | mint__, which air? I did just late (or possibly early) 2015 debian scretch installation and it worked fine |
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| 15:36.19 | mint__ | mid 2013 |
| 15:36.29 | mint__ | Putti: |
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| 15:37.57 | mint__ | Debian is best |
| 15:38.11 | mint__ | Richard Stallman's GNU |
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| 15:39.28 | Putti | mint__, https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/MacBookAir/6-1 |
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| 15:40.20 | Guest25949 | mint gnu/linux stallman/torvalds |
| 15:40.20 | missmbob | mint__: he actually uses gnewsense and debian pisses him off... |
| 15:41.02 | mint__ | why torvalds not accepting PRs? |
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| 15:42.01 | missmbob | hell i've emailed the man. he gets thousands a day i'm sure. he's busy. you know...doing kernel work and raising a bunch of kids |
| 15:42.35 | teraflops | missmbob: hehe |
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| 15:43.04 | bagbobilgins | missmbob: I asked the gnewsense about it, and apparently he only did the whole distro for RMS, no other "intended audience" |
| 15:43.19 | bagbobilgins | gnewsense guy* |
| 15:43.35 | Guest25949 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.01 | teraflops | if you like GNU + rolling release parabola is a good choice too |
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| 15:46.23 | zykotick9 | teraflops: if you like GNU + bleeding edge bugs parabola is a choice too ;) |
| 15:46.25 | missmbob | Guest25949: there is now mageia on that page. why do you think such a tiny community is better than the huge community of debian? |
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| 15:46.38 | Fyr | guys, I'm trying to install Debian onto VM. how do Io set English language and Bangkok timezone? |
| 15:46.38 | missmbob | s/now/no/g |
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| 15:47.05 | Guest25949 | i believe most of binaries in debian have been verified i may be incorrect |
| 15:47.26 | jhutchins | !locale |
| 15:47.26 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
| 15:47.29 | greycat | Fyr: post-install you can always do dpkg-reconfigure locales, and dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 15:47.45 | missmbob | Guest25949: yes. that's why we dont support deriviratives. we don't know what they did/changed. |
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| 15:48.00 | teraflops | zykotick9: neither parabola not arch are bleeding edge? do you really want to re-start this discussion? it looks like that movie Groundhog Day |
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| 15:48.01 | Fyr | greycat, I don't need post-install, I need when-installing. |
| 15:48.03 | greycat | If you need it during the install, well, I think some menus pop up at appropriate times. |
| 15:48.03 | jhutchins | Fyr: Timezone and locale are seperate settings. |
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| 15:48.09 | Time-Warp | anyidea how to fix this. its a mega crash issue |
| 15:48.12 | Time-Warp | [drm:ironlake_irq_handler [i915]] *ERROR* CPU pipe A FIFO underrun |
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| 15:48.37 | Time-Warp | lol |
| 15:48.38 | jhutchins | Time-Warp: Did you use a ball peen or a claw hammer? |
| 15:48.41 | greycat | Time zone is irrelevant when installing. I could see language being important. Isn't that like the first two questions you are asked? Keyboard and language? |
| 15:48.46 | Time-Warp | jhutchins: LMAO |
| 15:49.07 | Fyr | greycat, timezone is always relevant when installing. |
| 15:49.14 | greycat | No it's not. |
| 15:49.20 | missmbob | it isnt |
| 15:49.21 | Fyr | when you choose language, the isntaller sets the list of countries. |
| 15:49.21 | Guest25949 | missmbob was just a suggestion my choice is debian a universal o/s |
| 15:49.30 | jhutchins | Time-Warp: Seriously, much more info required, release, architecture, what program you were running in what environment, the full error text, etc. |
| 15:49.31 | teraflops | Time-Warp: does it really crash? most of the time is just a harmless message |
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| 15:49.38 | urand0m | i do not know much about pgp but i just started using kgpg and realized that its using gnupg v1 shouldn't it be using v2? |
| 15:49.54 | urand0m | i tried to upgrade kgpg and it says that its already the newest version |
| 15:49.54 | greycat | Time zone does not matter while installing. If the timestamps on /boot/config-blah are a bit off, who cares. |
| 15:50.07 | Time-Warp | teraflops: its strange. like ill be chilling and these lines go across the screen. only been doing that sence the dist-upgrade |
| 15:50.09 | Time-Warp | lol |
| 15:50.19 | Time-Warp | so i have to hard reboot |
| 15:51.04 | Time-Warp | so i thought i would check dmesg and right after it starts flikering for a bit then it shows up in dmesg |
| 15:51.16 | Time-Warp | then 10 mins later bam total crash |
| 15:52.03 | teraflops | Time-Warp: dist-upgrade to which release? |
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| 15:53.18 | TomTomTo1 | urand0m: gnupg2 is not an upgrade to gnupg1 |
| 15:53.31 | Guest25949 | teraflops you sure arch is not bleeding edge |
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| 15:54.10 | urand0m | TomTomTo1, i do not understand, are you saying gnupg1 is the newest version? |
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| 15:55.22 | archer121 | Hi, we are going to run a registration counter. In one of the machines, we will ask people to sit and take a photo with a webcam. Is there a software in linux that can take the photo, and allow the size to quickly crop it and save it? |
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| 15:55.26 | TomTomTo1 | urand0m: yes. the naming is a bit confusing. but as i understand, gnupg2 mainly differs in how it's built against other libs. |
| 15:56.03 | Guest25949 | urandOm im sure youve looked at pkg manager |
| 15:56.11 | urand0m | TomTomTo1, i see, well which has the least amount of known vulnerabilities? |
| 15:56.38 | jhutchins | Time-Warp: Sounds like a hardware issue. Heat related. |
| 15:56.57 | Putti | archer121, a script can do it for you with one click of a button |
| 15:57.03 | dannysantos | I want my Debian to execute a script when the lid is closed. I have tryed to follow the tutorial for ubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaptopLidAndDockScripts but it doesn't work. I can't find a tutorial to make it work for debian. Does anyone know how I can make debian execute a script when the lid is closed? |
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| 15:57.24 | Time-Warp | jhutchins: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1568865 |
| 15:57.29 | TomTomTo1 | urand0m: you can always check the tracker of doom for both. https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/gnupg and s/gnupg/gnupg2/ |
| 15:57.50 | Putti | archer121, but this ain't really debian related so we should discuss this on some other channel |
| 15:57.58 | teraflops | Guest25949: I'm pretty sure, also that "bleeding edge bugs" only denotes ignorance |
| 15:58.27 | zykotick9 | teraflops: ignorance from experience... but YMMV? |
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| 15:59.09 | teraflops | zykotick9: if you call that "experience" your problem is worse than I thought |
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| 16:00.25 | jhutchins | Time-Warp: That's an ubuntu bug. |
| 16:00.32 | urand0m | TomTomTo1, i see. i suppose i should also track kgpg - i would like to learn how to use the command line version but am just experimenting with a gui for right now until i understand things better |
| 16:00.48 | Time-Warp | jhutchins: i saw that too but the effects are the same on debian its strange |
| 16:01.04 | teraflops | zykotick9: anyway if you want to discuss it I'm ok with that but not here |
| 16:01.12 | Time-Warp | it must be hardware |
| 16:01.13 | urand0m | i also i need an alternative to truecrypt = i found something called veracrypt, but i couldn't get it to work .. then i found something called tcplay i think it was called but its all cli, do you have any suggestions? |
| 16:01.16 | teraflops | zykotick9: -offtopic or whatever |
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| 16:02.53 | Guest25949 | teraflops im sure you are correct no perfect o/s all have bugs made by humans as you know |
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| 16:06.30 | teraflops | Guest25949: my point is that being upstream does not mean more bugs and does not require a "patch everything downstream" infrastructure because bugs in upstream are fixed in new releases |
| 16:06.30 | Guest25949 | urandOm check history of truecrypt i think veracrypt may be ok check https://prism-break.org |
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| 16:07.02 | greycat | This is at least the third time he has tossed that link at us. Do I need to open it and find out if he's spamming? |
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| 16:08.24 | missmbob | greycat: no |
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| 16:09.29 | Guest25949 | greycat be my guest but you wont see proof as im not just info |
| 16:09.30 | helo | does debian automatically set any flow control for /dev/ttyS0? |
| 16:10.04 | helo | the first time i boot (this VM...), it can read from the serial port correctly, but after rebooting it acts quite odd |
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| 16:12.09 | jhutchins | Time-Warp: Things that change with time rather than with specific activity always suggest hardware and heat. |
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| 16:14.08 | Guest25949 | dannysantos do you wantdesktop environment or not |
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| 16:15.18 | dannysantos | Guest25949: Don't know what do you mean. My environment is gnome |
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| 16:16.44 | Guest25949 | dannysantos look in privacy |
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| 16:18.00 | dannysantos | Guest25949: Can you be more specific. I can't understand what you are saying |
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| 16:18.30 | ewew | Hi. Why im i getting older source for apache2 than binary ? |
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| 16:20.57 | Guest25949 | dannysantos systemd user or i have an alternate xlock from package manager |
| 16:21.07 | greycat | I use i3lock. |
| 16:21.21 | greycat | No, I do not use i3. Or any other piece of i3. Just i3lock, as a replacement for xlock which is no longer in Debian. |
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| 16:22.25 | dannysantos | I have all the default programs in debian. I haven't installed any other packages... I want to execute a script on lid close on my user only |
| 16:22.41 | Guest25949 | thanks greycat info was from aug 2015 |
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| 16:23.24 | teraflops | I like slock |
| 16:23.46 | teraflops | it's in suckless-tools |
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| 16:28.17 | Guest25949 | dannysantos handlelidswitch or acpi handle last one shouldlock your display with i3lock as suggested |
| 16:30.32 | dannysantos | Guest25949: I don't have i3lock. handlelidswitch is a package or something? |
| 16:31.23 | dannysantos | have to go, thank you anyway |
| 16:32.03 | simbalion | I'm running Jessie 8.5, is there anything in particular I need to do to get DVD playback to work? I installed libdvdcss2 but so far smplayer and vlc both seem unable to load a disc |
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| 16:34.37 | Guest25949 | dannysantos second one /etc/acpi/events/lid containing event=button[/].8close action=sudo -u youuser /usr/bin/i3lock -display :0 |
| 16:35.29 | DammitJim | how can I see what process is establishing a samba connection? |
| 16:35.43 | DammitJim | I've tried netstat -ptu but there is no PID or program |
| 16:36.46 | Guest25949 | dannysantos thats *close rather than 8close |
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| 17:07.37 | emankcin | Trying to ssh as root into a fresh install. I haven't had to use PermitRootLogin, but the option does nothing regardless. Geting Failed password in auth.log. Any ideas? |
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| 17:09.07 | emankcin | I can login as a user and su for root, but just wondering why the root access is denied. |
| 17:09.08 | unborn | DammitJim: it all works as you wished - what do you except from us? |
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| 17:10.02 | unborn | emankcin: did you restart sshd? |
| 17:10.04 | missmbob | emankcin: didn't you answer your own question? permitrootlogin |
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| 17:10.18 | emankcin | missmbob: PermitRootLogin has no effect. |
| 17:10.36 | emankcin | unborn: Yes, I've restarted sshd and rebooted the system. |
| 17:10.37 | bagbobilgins | even after restarting sshd? |
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| 17:10.40 | missmbob | emankcin: well then i have to ask if you restarted |
| 17:10.43 | bagbobilgins | hehe |
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| 17:11.09 | missmbob | anyway smoke break. good luck |
| 17:11.11 | emankcin | Don't have any other valid user limitations in ssh_config |
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| 17:11.22 | unborn | so you done something wrong for su user there.. |
| 17:11.28 | bagbobilgins | do you have e different keymap from what you set the password with? |
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| 17:11.42 | bagbobilgins | s/e/a/ |
| 17:11.57 | emankcin | bagbobilgins: I don't think so. Should all be US |
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| 17:12.27 | pk64_mobile_ | I like the control gitlab has for my Debian packages and source. Any opinion on it vs the widely popular github? |
| 17:12.50 | unborn | - for any debian distro - you can do it with goole help - sorry to say that but - you can hire up some other folks to do it for you..... |
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| 17:14.04 | TomTomTo1 | pk64_mobile_: well, gitlab is self-hosted so it's two different pair of shoes. |
| 17:14.10 | unborn | pk64_mobile_: ask github channel....for that |
| 17:14.48 | NeilHanlon | hey guys.. I can't seem to find linux-source-4.5.0 in jessie-backports and I need it for virtualbox/vagrant. so i'm thinking of just upgrading to the 4.6 kernel, but when i run the command it says this |
| 17:14.52 | NeilHanlon | https://gist.github.com/NeilHanlon/3d24b83fdcfa215a8edad3f881df5a53 |
| 17:14.52 | NeilHanlon | Is that ok? |
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| 17:15.56 | unborn | TomTomTo1: its package which you can run but on end source - it will encode you stuff pretty badly - so - user is free to do it however I suggest to hire pro there.... |
| 17:16.24 | TomTomTo1 | unborn: i don't understand a word you say. |
| 17:17.11 | unborn | NeilHanlon: you use vagrant - ask them for support... |
| 17:17.12 | bagbobilgins | unborn: too long at the codeface? |
| 17:17.18 | unborn | tlom |
| 17:17.51 | unborn | TomTomTo1: its okay... |
| 17:17.55 | emankcin | bagbobilgins: keymaps are identical on all 3 systems (1 desktop, 2 servers) |
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| 17:18.11 | emankcin | I can log in as a regular user, however, then su |
| 17:18.20 | unborn | TomTomTo1: we call it collaboration here |
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| 17:18.39 | NeilHanlon | unborn: I'm not asking about vagrant. I'm asking about upgrading the kernel of my os. |
| 17:18.50 | NeilHanlon | and the fact it wants to uninstall those two packages |
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| 17:19.54 | unborn | NeilHanlon: sure.. your kernel is installed via the dum fucking vagrant - so ask them.. - in fact - you are out and doomed without them. |
| 17:19.56 | bagbobilgins | NeilHanlon: from what I saw, my thinking is that with the deps and whatnot your install pulls down you will get functionality of those two removed packages in other, newer packages |
| 17:20.14 | unborn | - can someone put me on mute ? just for today.. |
| 17:20.19 | unborn | thanks. |
| 17:20.29 | bagbobilgins | NeilHanlon: but I'd have to see the rest of the stdout |
| 17:20.45 | bagbobilgins | unborn: /q |
| 17:20.55 | bagbobilgins | mutes you just nice |
| 17:23.01 | NeilHanlon | unborn: sounds like you should just leave the channel and stop being a dick |
| 17:23.09 | NeilHanlon | bagbobilgins: that was my suspicion as well |
| 17:23.17 | NeilHanlon | bagbobilgins: just was looking for a bit more confirmation :) |
| 17:23.40 | NeilHanlon | unborn: and my kernel isn't installed via vagrant. I think you're seriously misunderstanding everything. |
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| 17:24.17 | bagbobilgins | what is this vagrant of which you speak? |
| 17:24.18 | unborn | NeilHanlon: that what I was asking here to mute me here - clearly you dont do suggest user what he should do.. dick yes you are an dick and we all know it.. |
| 17:24.38 | bagbobilgins | unborn: do you use undernet, at all? |
| 17:24.45 | bagbobilgins | I know a place for you |
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| 17:26.30 | unborn | you did installed this via some wagrant - if you do understand what an how it works - you would not say anything else - today is sysadmin day so - get your brain in or I someone should mute me here - or I will tell you in classic organic way - if you cannot do it you dont understand it... |
| 17:27.19 | unborn | you are not an sysadmin who deployed this - otherwise you knew it.. so - again what do you expecting from us? |
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| 17:27.33 | TomTomTo1 | you are finghting someone that isn't here... |
| 17:28.11 | unborn | TomTomTo1: im saying - he does not appreciate us |
| 17:28.30 | greycat | He's not here to hear you. |
| 17:28.47 | unborn | ah he left? then he is sorted |
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| 17:29.41 | Senji | What's the smallest image of debian I can install for a VM that has networking/apt-get and nothing else? How do I go about creating an iso with just that? |
| 17:29.49 | greycat | !netinst |
| 17:29.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 17:30.18 | unborn | Senji: netinstall is the best and was always :) |
| 17:30.33 | bagbobilgins | true, that |
| 17:30.47 | bagbobilgins | even a broken clock is right twice a day... |
| 17:31.06 | Senji | I'm going to basically make a small vm image with a couple of FUSE fses and samba then open networking to host only |
| 17:31.26 | unborn | Senji: still net install |
| 17:31.41 | unborn | its best image you can get |
| 17:32.16 | greycat | The only times netinst is NOT the right choice are when you're using a laptop with proprietary hardware, where you need netinst-plus-nonfree-firmware, or when you're installing on a non-networked system in a third-world country. |
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| 17:38.56 | unborn | thank you tripkin :) |
| 17:39.21 | tripkin | Np! |
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| 17:39.44 | tripkin | mutes unborn for next 12 hours... |
| 17:39.53 | teraflops | â¦so non-networked system in a *first-world* country is fine for netinst^? |
| 17:39.58 | unborn | tripkin: I nearly loose it.. thanks for mute :) |
| 17:40.17 | greycat | If you're not networked, you're in a third-world country. Like the United States or Canada or .... |
| 17:40.39 | tripkin | Definitely Canada... 8'( It is bad here. |
| 17:40.44 | teraflops | shrugs |
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| 17:40.50 | bagbobilgins | is the second world networked? |
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| 17:44.11 | Senji | bagbobilgins: second world has better internet than first world |
| 17:44.17 | Senji | source: I live in eastern europe |
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| 17:45.04 | `Kevin | Senji: certain areas :) |
| 17:45.17 | bagbobilgins | I have a friend in Poland who mentioned 250Mbps down |
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| 17:45.53 | bagbobilgins | I wasn't sure if he transposed s/m/k/ |
| 17:46.04 | `Kevin | twc offers 300Mb/s in nyc |
| 17:46.38 | teraflops | I have 300/300 at home here is spain ^ |
| 17:46.53 | bagbobilgins | I have 30/10 in UK |
| 17:47.12 | `Kevin | teraflops: symmetric is costly here :| |
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| 17:48.00 | teraflops | hmm 67⬠tax included plus 2G of data 4g + calls |
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| 17:54.17 | tripkin | Oh, don't get me wrong! We can get good speeds here in Canada. If you are willing to pay the price... One town near Calgary offers gigabit fibre for $50. That is a sweet deal for them. Cablecos and telcos wouldn't give them service. LOL |
| 17:54.31 | tripkin | And that is symmetric |
| 17:55.15 | tripkin | I might have to move there just for the internet! |
| 17:55.50 | `Kevin | need some google fiber |
| 17:56.00 | teraflops | to be honest I dont care about download speed beyong 30Mb what I want is upload speed |
| 17:56.01 | tripkin | Cheaper than what I am paying for 7Mb down and 100k up. So sad... |
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| 17:56.16 | tripkin | I agree. |
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| 17:59.46 | emankcin | 'PermitRootLogin no' Doesn't even stop me from using root on the server I can login to |
| 17:59.54 | emankcin | Does ssh_config do anything? |
| 18:00.13 | unborn | emankcin: did you restarted your sshd? |
| 18:00.20 | emankcin | unborn: Yessir |
| 18:00.22 | rattking | yes it does..are you restarting ssh after modifying the config file? |
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| 18:01.19 | unborn | so there are two other things to disable this.. - do you want to disable asking for username and password in ssh? like only the keys? |
| 18:01.19 | emankcin | rattking: I did, yes |
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| 18:02.23 | emankcin | unborn: No, just trying to figure out why I can ssh into one server as root, but not the other server. In either server ssh_config seems to do nothing, as on the server I cannot login to, setting PermitRootLogin yes does not allow me to login, and on the server I can login to, PermitRootLogin no doesn't stop me. |
| 18:02.35 | greycat | sshd_config not ssh_config |
| 18:02.55 | greycat | ssh_config is for ssh (the client). sshd_config is for sshd (the server) |
| 18:03.23 | emankcin | greycat: Thank you. -_-" |
| 18:03.35 | emankcin | Time for fresh air I think |
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| 18:03.43 | unborn | emankcin: well one of your settings have some stuff not allowed on another.. its simple.. btw I would not allow root at all times with password |
| 18:03.51 | unborn | its good advice |
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| 18:04.09 | emankcin | unborn: No, I'll probably change it to key based if I do |
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| 18:04.27 | unborn | please do so.. its just best way |
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| 18:04.30 | emankcin | unborn: But more than likely I'll just have user login then sudo or su from there in both cases |
| 18:05.07 | unborn | emankcin: nothing there to stop you to use su - 'sudo' - at your wish :) |
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| 18:05.21 | unborn | in both cases - yes |
| 18:05.21 | bagbobilgins | greycat the wise and powerful |
| 18:05.28 | emankcin | greycat: Thanks for not underestimating my stupidity. Ugh. |
| 18:05.42 | emankcin | greycat: Thanks for your help. |
| 18:06.06 | unborn | emankcin: but if you have ssh keys - no su or sudo need it.. just log in as root directly |
| 18:06.30 | bagbobilgins | emankcin: he's right you know, ssh keys |
| 18:06.34 | emankcin | unborn: It would be nice to have that option. I'll set up the keys for it today. |
| 18:06.54 | emankcin | bagbobilgins: Yea, that's the plan, this is just in the interim. Just trying to figure out why it wasn't working |
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| 18:08.03 | emankcin | Just a brainfart, as usual |
| 18:08.09 | magyar | hi, I have two network interfaces on my system, how can I make sure that traffic that is generated on the second interface always goes in and out on that interface? |
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| 18:08.24 | bagbobilgins | so often it is the wetware integration, emankcin ;) |
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| 18:09.43 | unborn | magyar: you can trust the debian on this - however if you must be sure - use cable or wifi - just check where are you connected to. |
| 18:09.57 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:10.11 | emankcin | "session opened for user root" hurrah |
| 18:10.37 | bagbobilgins | hello DexterF |
| 18:10.45 | tripkin | We could all say hi back, but it is much more useful to let us know what it is you are looking for help with. If you are just chatting, there are other channels dedicated to that. |
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| 18:11.11 | DexterF | hi all. deb, kodi media center, GL screensavers missing. heard might be a symlink bug, cannot find anything, though. pointers appreciated. |
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| 18:12.33 | TomTomTo1 | DexterF: did you mean xscreensaver-gl ? |
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| 18:12.38 | unborn | emankcin: today is debian day or sysadmin day - be just happy as we all are ;) |
| 18:13.34 | magyar | unborn: i have an odd issue, where if I attach a virtual bridge to the interface that presents the default route, all virt systems are able to access the internet, but if I attach the virt bridge to the second interface( that is not used for def gw) the virt systems not able to communicate to the outside world |
| 18:13.52 | dannysantos | I want my laptop debian to run a script when the lid is close. How can I do that? I have tried ubuntu way through this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaptopLidAndDockScripts but it didn't work |
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| 18:14.51 | unborn | magyar: ah that is whole another issue you said here.. you should ask this in first place - it would save you some time ;) so - vms does not see network right? |
| 18:14.59 | DexterF | TomTomTo1: up to now I was sure kodi delivered them. lemme check on a different system... |
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| 18:16.10 | unborn | sorry - i mean on lan.. |
| 18:16.17 | magyar | unborn: they only see the dmz network that they are attached to, but not able to route passed the dmz, all other physical devices are able connect when attached to the dmz |
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| 18:17.13 | tripkin | magyar, quick question, why would you want all your devices in the dmz, even the virtual ones? |
| 18:17.45 | emankcin | unborn: Oh still happy, just smh a bit haha |
| 18:17.50 | Epakai | dannysantos: does your laptop do sleep or suspend when the lid closes as well? |
| 18:17.51 | magyar | tripkin: security? |
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| 18:18.07 | tripkin | Much safer to just open ports through the firewall and monitor those. Every other bit of traffic will be blocked. Saves a lot of headaches and monitoring is easier. |
| 18:18.16 | dannysantos | Epakai: no, it does nothing |
| 18:18.21 | unborn | dmz is cool to have but if you running multiple srvs on one network its - nightmare..so what i would suggest is to investigate that you need from srv 1 and 2 and 3 and etc.. manually open ports for each of them.. i know I do not speak very human here but - you should understand me |
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| 18:18.43 | DexterF | TomTomTo1: no, I mean "Euphoria". kodi used to bundle this, I think |
| 18:18.49 | unborn | magyar: ^^^ |
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| 18:18.57 | awal1 | trying to create some startup files, but I have no much idea about bash vs sh. which one I may want? (#!/bin/? ) ? |
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| 18:19.14 | Flippylosaurus | #!/usr/bin/env sh |
| 18:19.14 | unborn | emankcin: save you haha for later.. :) |
| 18:19.20 | Flippylosaurus | awal1, use that |
| 18:19.20 | tripkin | magyar, you do know that machines in the dmz are fully exposed, right? Closing ports aside, it is difficult to monitor traffic for problems. That is where the firewall comes in. |
| 18:19.22 | greycat | Use #!/bin/sh if you write using the POSIX sh feature set. Use #!/bin/bash if you write with bash extensions. |
| 18:19.23 | awal1 | some WM's use sh (like fluxbox) others almost bash |
| 18:19.52 | awal1 | Flippylosaurus, if sh, why so? |
| 18:19.54 | awal1 | :D |
| 18:20.05 | greycat | Ignore everyone but me. :-P |
| 18:20.05 | unborn | tripkin: the base is - if you do have dmz on your network nothing else will work coz its fucking dmz :) |
| 18:20.13 | unborn | just use your brain |
| 18:20.19 | teraflops | awal1: startup? |
| 18:20.21 | tripkin | awal1, bash is for a login prompt and includes your .bashrc, etc. sh is for the system, it does not need any of that. Of course, you must specify full command paths, etc. |
| 18:20.23 | Epakai | dannysantos: darn, i found plenty of systemd unit's that have WantedBy=suspend.target, but i'm not immediately finding if there is a target for lid closing |
| 18:20.27 | greycat | Jesus. |
| 18:20.33 | awal1 | teraflops, yes |
| 18:20.35 | Flippylosaurus | awal1: as far as i know the sh env will return the shell used on the system |
| 18:20.51 | greycat | OK, here is a counter-suggestion: STOP ASKING BASH/SH QUESTIONS in #debian if people are going to keep spewing wrong answers here. Ask in #bash instead. |
| 18:20.58 | teraflops | awal1: for the WM/DM? |
| 18:21.13 | greycat | Everything you are hearing from EVERYONE BUT ME has been wrong. |
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| 18:21.35 | tripkin | greycat is right! |
| 18:21.46 | dannysantos | Epakai: I have tried the ubuntu how to but it does nothing apparently |
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| 18:22.25 | awal1 | greycat, as a "simple" debian end user, I confess I have a limited knowledge about bash/zsh/sh and so... |
| 18:22.30 | tripkin | Thanks unborn! |
| 18:22.31 | awal1 | teraflops, icewm |
| 18:22.33 | greycat | Use #!/bin/sh if you write using the POSIX sh feature set FOR THIS ONE SCRIPT. Use #!/bin/bash if you write with bash extensions FOR THIS ONE SCRIPT. |
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| 18:22.47 | unborn | tripkin: for? :) we all know it.. |
| 18:22.51 | tripkin | checks ban list... yup unborn is on it. WTF? |
| 18:22.53 | greycat | Your WM is completely irrelevant to the task of writing a script. |
| 18:22.53 | teraflops | awal1: holy cow ^ |
| 18:22.55 | tripkin | LOL |
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| 18:23.24 | unborn | you do as well - just did not read it ;) |
| 18:23.36 | magyar | unborn: at this point, I'm not as concerned about security, I'm trying to figure out if what I'm doing is possible at all, so in this case, the dmz in 192.168.xx.0/24 and the virt bridge is a new subnet of 192.168.zz.0/24, if I attach the virtual subnet of 192.168.zz.0/24 to eth0(lan), all virt hosts are connecting to the internet just fine, but if I attach the virt bridge to eth1, no internet access |
| 18:24.17 | teraflops | awal1: since you were saying startup I was wondering if a systemd --user unit would be fine that's all |
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| 18:24.51 | greycat | Boot scripts are traditionally written using the SMALLEST possible feature set (sh syntax instead of bash syntax) so that there are the fewest possible DEPENDENCIES to get the script to work. |
| 18:25.17 | unborn | magyar: im here - I am am always concern about - fucking security - no matter how old you running - if you running debian its not some lolobie or something so - dmz is your problem - can you handle it or ? |
| 18:25.42 | unborn | no security - dont come here.. - sorry chap |
| 18:26.35 | tripkin | magyar, do the virt machines have the gateway address when they are connected to the second nic? |
| 18:26.46 | awal1 | greycat, teraflops, Flippylosaurus, thats ok. I'll use bash. later I learn about posix, bash, sh and so. I have a vague idea about all of them but i'm no so a "technical user.... Thanks anyway |
| 18:26.50 | tripkin | I am hoping that your dmz is inside the network. |
| 18:27.04 | tripkin | And is still protected by a firewall at the present time. |
| 18:27.34 | teraflops | awal1: how are you planning to start the scripts? |
| 18:28.00 | greycat | What is the script supposed to *do*? That's the most important question. |
| 18:28.10 | magyar | tripkin: sure, they always point to the 192.168.zz.1, but I think when the traffic hits the host, the host pushes out the packets on eth0, maybe |
| 18:28.10 | dannysantos | can someone help me? I want my debian to execute a script when the lid is closed. How can I do that? when the lid is closed my debian does nothing (ignore) right now |
| 18:28.17 | tripkin | magyar, nobody wants to see your systems hacked. As long as you are safe, the first nic knows about the gateway, but the second nic specifically does not (if I read you correctly) |
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| 18:29.02 | magyar | tripkin: this is a test setup only |
| 18:29.06 | tripkin | magyar, I am a bit out of my depth at this point as all my systems except the firewall have one nic. |
| 18:29.20 | Flippylosaurus | awal1: good luck. if you have any questions feel free to ask them |
| 18:29.30 | magyar | tripkin: no worries, thanks |
| 18:29.35 | tripkin | magyar, ok. That makes sense. What is the purpose of the second nic? It was there and you wanted to use it? |
| 18:30.01 | teraflops | awal1: idk about icewm last time I tried was like 9 yeas ago via cygwin in old windows servers :S. so Idk if it has some autostart thingy, if not you better rely on .xinitrc if startx or whatever file your current DM is sourcing |
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| 18:30.42 | emankcin | hmm, before disabling ssh access through root I probably should have had some other user with a login |
| 18:30.45 | magyar | tripkin: sure, i thought why attach the virtual network to the lan if I can use a separate network, but so far my plan is not a working :( |
| 18:31.00 | Epakai | dannysantos: the best i can see is to modify /etc/systemd/logind.conf to have an action for lidswitch (but this is not good if don't want any of those things to happen), then make a systemd rule that depends on that target |
| 18:31.51 | tripkin | magyar, that is the kind of thing that I would have done in the past. All it ever did was confuse me and cause untold problems. I would suggest using the one nic only and use the second in a firewall system running the appropriate package(s). |
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| 18:32.02 | Epakai | look at 'man logind.conf' under HandleLidSwitch for potential actions |
| 18:32.20 | dannysantos | Epakai: What do you mean it is no good if you want any of those things to happen? |
| 18:32.29 | teraflops | ok I hate when people do not close their irc clients properly :P |
| 18:32.30 | magyar | tripkin: makes sense, thanks for your time! |
| 18:32.35 | tripkin | magyar, another good use for the second nic is if you have a san or something that does not need a gateway. |
| 18:32.37 | unborn | tripkin: magyar just runs one machine via dmz and rest is just unsecured dummy srvs = same like my home srv without security - this means he is one of us - likely not to be as no apps specified - or he is employed out there to do the task - means he is paid for it so - you do see my point? |
| 18:33.01 | tripkin | Sure do, unborn . |
| 18:33.18 | Epakai | HandleLidSwitch is limited to "ignore", "poweroff", "reboot", "halt", "kexec", "suspend", "hibernate", "hybrid-sleep", and "lock" |
| 18:33.38 | unborn | magyar: can you elaborate with your issue here? what exactly is not working for you? |
| 18:33.43 | unborn | ip and logs? |
| 18:34.43 | unborn | tripkin: those are my mine issues here - user - genuine user or some fucker who just try all day long here.... so let him to tell us |
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| 18:35.16 | tripkin | Thanks! |
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| 18:35.22 | magyar | unborn: i think I'm barking up the wrong tree, I think what i'm trying to do is a bit over my head, although it seemed at first simple enough :) |
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| 18:36.42 | teraflops | Epakai: use acpid |
| 18:36.42 | unborn | magyar: sure - is that for you or is it for company??? another thing is domains.. I know you can do single one - but your srvs you try to trouble shoot ? |
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| 18:38.02 | teraflops | Epakai: oh I guess my message is for dannysantos |
| 18:38.06 | magyar | unborn: i was using the vmm to mess around with kvm/libvirt and the gui allows you to configure a virbr with a separate subnet and asks you where do you want to attach in, so if I attach it to eth0, it works good, if I attach it to eth1 then no cigar |
| 18:38.07 | Epakai | teraflops: that's what dannysantos attempted from the ubuntu article but failed, do you know more about it? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaptopLidAndDockScripts |
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| 18:38.14 | teraflops | dannysantos: use acpi |
| 18:38.17 | teraflops | :P |
| 18:38.21 | dannysantos | teraflops: How can I make it through acpid? which files should I modify? thank Epakai |
| 18:38.31 | magyar | unborn: here at home, exploring kvm/libvirt |
| 18:39.45 | unborn | magyar: you see - use for your profit as much as you can but - this is beauty of open source - pay the thing as you do use kvm and other closed source software - see it right there? |
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| 18:40.12 | dannysantos | teraflops: exactly i tried that how to but it didint work. May this be related to my /etc/systemd/logind.conf being set with HandleLidSwitch=ignore ?? |
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| 18:40.48 | magyar | unborn: fair enough, thanks |
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| 18:41.13 | unborn | magyar: i cannot help you - i use debian only and if you do too - there is somehow - you need help with closed source stuff - sure - there is an pay pal thingy for debian.. |
| 18:42.29 | unborn | magyar: im hoping that anyone else would realise this - you using debian (asss) for closed thing - you can support us.. |
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| 18:43.09 | dannysantos | Epakai: my /etc/systemd/logind.conf is set with HandleLidSwitch=ignore. Is it because of this that acpi way doesn't work ?? |
| 18:43.25 | unborn | :) grim face to madar magyar - sorry to be like this but if business does tell you its open sourced and no git hub - fuck it badly |
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| 18:44.46 | teraflops | dannysantos: never tried it myself, try to set to other values I suppose, what I'm sure is that you need to restart logind if you edit logind.conf |
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| 18:46.31 | dannysantos | teraflops: if I set logind.conf HandleLidSwitch to other value it will suspend or hibernate or poweroff when the lid is closed. Am I right? I dont want that... |
| 18:46.44 | unborn | magyar: your company is not open source so - all for profit you are asking is just fucking deaf here - I hope so. |
| 18:47.08 | TomTomTo1 | unborn: what are you talking about? and how does any of this relate to what magyar asked? |
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| 18:48.56 | unborn | TomTomTo1: are you looking to ban me here or something ?? are you fucking blind ? cannot you read the nick - in irssi ? - you are joke to me - what on earth you asking here? |
| 18:49.24 | unborn | TomTomTo1: you should not have small o at all.. you luckly you have it |
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| 18:49.44 | unborn | mute me |
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| 18:50.07 | teraflops | dannysantos: sorry as I said I dont do such things but it looks like you want acpi |
| 18:50.43 | dannysantos | teraflops: thanks |
| 18:53.23 | Epakai | dannysantos: i did the acpi way from that ubuntu guide, all i did was create the /etc/acpi/events/lm_lid file, make it's action /etc/acpi/lid.sh, then created that script and made it executable |
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| 18:54.22 | Epakai | there's a lot more to that guide since it then runs a script in a user's home directory |
| 18:54.30 | dannysantos | Epakai: it worked? which script must be executable? |
| 18:54.46 | Epakai | /etc/acpi/lid.sh |
| 18:55.36 | dannysantos | ok, it isn't in mine |
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| 18:56.09 | dannysantos | Epakai: is it ok if lid.sh is root? should I do a chmod 700? |
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| 18:59.02 | Epakai | the default permissions should be fine, up to you if you want to limit access more |
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| 19:00.30 | dannysantos | Epakai: ok, i'll do a chmod +x to be sure. Thanks I have to try if it did work on monday. I'm not with the physical machine |
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| 19:12.26 | kminooie | hello everyone, I am wondering if there is any way, when upgrading, to get a detail list of what extra packages are needed by which existing package for all the packages that are being held back? without having to try apt-get install them one by one. |
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| 19:29.13 | jhutchins | The problem is that hardware makers are inconsistent on how they process lid closure and what uses the info about it. Sometimes the BIOS will intercept the signal, so the OS can't tell it's closed. |
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| 19:33.47 | nodiscc_fnode | hi, i have placed a custom preferences file at /etc/firefox/firefox.js, but it is not used as template when creating a new firefox profile, please help |
| 19:33.49 | nodiscc_fnode | firefox 47.0.1-1~bpo80+1 |
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| 19:40.31 | towo` | nodiscc_fnode, who is saying, it should work? |
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| 19:41.47 | nodiscc_fnode | towo`: this was the original file /etc/firefox/firefox.js from the debian package https://paste.debian.net/786063 |
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| 19:49.20 | nodiscc_fnode | the settings in my custom firefox.js are not take into account |
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| 19:52.35 | meeposhow | What's difference of apt-get and aptitude? |
| 19:52.36 | fiveflowerzz | Hi! |
| 19:52.51 | fiveflowerzz | How is it possible with "top" to list the 10 more CPU hungry devices since boot? |
| 19:52.57 | fiveflowerzz | ie not instantaneous CPU usage |
| 19:53.00 | greycat | aptitude has a lot more features and is really weird and LISPy |
| 19:53.03 | fiveflowerzz | but average CPU usage since boot |
| 19:53.16 | TomTomTo1 | meeposhow: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 19:53.22 | greycat | apt-get is much easier to understand and use on a daily basis if you are a plain no-frilly guy like me |
| 19:53.55 | greycat | top doesn't list "devices" |
| 19:54.07 | meeposhow | thanks :) |
| 19:54.18 | greycat | If you want aggregates, look at vmstat |
| 19:54.45 | TomTomTo1 | meeposhow: also /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
| 19:55.28 | meeposhow | TomTomTo1: awesome |
| 19:55.37 | meeposhow | so people are miving away from it |
| 19:55.41 | meeposhow | moving* |
| 19:55.50 | TomTomTo1 | not that i know of. |
| 19:55.54 | r6ku | aptitude lets you browse through package dependencies easily which is neat, can you do the same with apt-get? |
| 19:56.25 | meeposhow | but it said "most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well." |
| 19:56.25 | TomTomTo1 | apt-cache show <pkg> shows you all the info you need about a package. |
| 19:56.28 | fiveflowerzz | any idea? |
| 19:56.44 | meeposhow | so it is like the same over time ? |
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| 20:05.19 | awal1_ | fiveflowerzz, sysstat and it's utilities is useful |
| 20:06.12 | fiveflowerzz | awal1_: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/299158/list-10-main-cpu-consuming-process |
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| 20:09.12 | awal1_ | fiveflowerzz, well, you can use watch + pidstat |
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| 20:10.14 | awal1_ | create a script or use xinit/xsession/startup file of your WM/DE |
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| 20:11.49 | awal1_ | that will check processes. physical devices I dont know |
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| 20:13.55 | r1v3n | made an espeak script, if I run it from terminal it works, but when I cron it, it fails: script .c: Error opening PCM device front:0: Device or resource busy" |
| 20:14.46 | r1v3n | */10 * * * * /home/xp/xvoice/saytime.sh |
| 20:15.07 | r1v3n | in saytime,sh: date +%I:%M%p | espeak |
| 20:15.34 | awal1_ | fiveflowerzz, you can create a conky bar then use {execi 5 watch -c -p-n 5 -d pidstat} Thats what I use |
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| 20:15.45 | greycat | "device or resource busy" sounds like you can't open it because your X session (DE?) already has it opened. Maybe by pulseaudio or something. |
| 20:16.20 | awal1_ | {execi 5 watch -c -p -n 5 -d pidstat} ^ |
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| 20:16.37 | r1v3n | yes, rhythmox is playing. how come it works when I run it manually form terminal, as same user |
| 20:16.56 | greycat | Maybe because of some pulseaudio env vars or something, I dunno. |
| 20:17.00 | r1v3n | if I run ./saytime.sh in terminal, with rythbox playing, it still works |
| 20:17.12 | r1v3n | somehow when cron calls it, sometihng is changed |
| 20:17.21 | greycat | Usually the lack of environment vars. |
| 20:17.38 | r1v3n | 'ohm, good idea |
| 20:17.40 | r1v3n | gona look |
| 20:17.41 | r1v3n | thanks |
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| 20:21.59 | ewew | Hi. Does someone have experience with this howto https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening. Than you |
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| 20:29.38 | jhutchins | ewew: Yes, someone does. |
| 20:29.47 | jhutchins | ewew: Did you have a question about it? |
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| 20:30.15 | ewew | how to pass this options to dpkg-buildpackage ? |
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| 20:33.33 | jhutchins | Have you built packages with dpkg-buildpackage before? |
| 20:33.37 | jhutchins | !build |
| 20:33.52 | greycat | !source |
| 20:33.53 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package> |
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| 21:14.46 | alu | how does one undo a command like this ? tc qdisc add dev eth0 root netem delay 300ms rate 56kbit |
| 21:15.04 | alu | curious |
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| 21:17.10 | disi | does GNOME 3 lock up like every other day for anyone else? |
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| 21:21.24 | Guest43750 | Hello, I just installed Debian 8.5 on my Acer laptop. I am having issues connecting to wifi. |
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| 21:22.48 | Putti | Guest43750, what are the issues? |
| 21:22.58 | Guest43750 | I can't connect to wifi. |
| 21:23.39 | Putti | Guest43750, if you run dmesg in the terminal does it give any errors about wifi? |
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| 21:24.50 | Guest43750 | The output takes up the screen. |
| 21:25.17 | emankcin | Guest43750: Can you pastebin the output? |
| 21:25.37 | Guest43750 | Wait, just found an ethernet port. |
| 21:25.52 | Guest43750 | I think I can manage this. Thanks anyways! |
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| 21:26.09 | emankcin | Guest43750: You can use dmesg|grep <string> to search. |
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| 21:33.06 | belowzero | hi guys, trying to boot a vm after installing. (first boot) seems like grub-install didnt go quite as expected. I fired up super grub2 and when choosing kernel there to boot, I get a message like this: "invalid magic number; you have to load kernel first" what should I do? :) |
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| 21:34.21 | sprung | Hi folks, I know that I can obtain the current NIC speed via /sys/class/net/eth0/speed, is there a way (without using miitool or ethtool) that i can get the maximum available speed for a NIC device? |
| 21:36.14 | jelly | I assume "look at what API the source code for ethtool uses" would not be a useful answer? |
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| 21:37.49 | sprung | lol that's actually exactly what i am doing right now @jelly |
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| 21:38.12 | sprung | looks like that's a poor solution because it's making low level driver calls of some sort |
| 21:38.31 | sprung | maybe what i'm looking for isn't available as a sysctl |
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| 21:38.49 | jelly | netlink thingsies afair (previously might have been ioctl thingies) |
| 21:39.55 | sprung | jelly: i'm just trying to eliminate the toil of opening another process and scraping the stdout of the execution is all |
| 21:40.13 | sprung | but if that's the only way, then ok |
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| 21:56.27 | Time-Warp1 | anyones debian start getting lines on there screen and you have to do a hard reboot after the new dist-upgrade |
| 21:56.31 | Time-Warp1 | lol |
| 21:56.40 | johnkeates | not me |
| 21:56.42 | johnkeates | sounds like a GPU issue |
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| 21:57.09 | Time-Warp1 | could be could be |
| 21:57.11 | emankcin | Time-Warp1: I would guess driver |
| 21:57.12 | Time-Warp1 | lol |
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| 21:59.37 | jelly | getting... lines? |
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| 22:00.36 | Time-Warp | its like the kernel crashes its intenese jelly |
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| 22:09.53 | simbalion | Hi, I'm using Jessie and some videos won't play their audio, I used mediainfo on this video and it says the codec is AAC, which I read is part of libavcodec-extra, so I installed that but it still doesnt play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6lEtKVK-bs, can anyone help? |
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| 22:11.12 | FlyingPotato | Hi, quick question, what comes first: /var/log/messages or /var/log/rsyslod_output ? |
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| 22:11.14 | simbalion | I should add that it does play in vlcplayer, but not smplayer or firefox |
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| 22:12.28 | ewew | well. The problem was behind the keyboard and a chair. |
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| 22:17.39 | emankcin | ewew: Most of the issues I encounter fall into that category |
| 22:20.24 | bagbobilgins | ewew: shortcircuits between the headphones brought a lot of us here, initially, I would wager |
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| 22:26.25 | van | guys i have a new installed debian jessie with xfce and lightdm.I a trying to swich user and when i run " dm-tool switch-to-greeter" i am going to a black screen.WHY? |
| 22:26.42 | ewew | the worst thing is that those flags are enabled by default. :-D |
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| 22:33.18 | johnkeates | van: don't, just log out or lock session from the GUI |
| 22:33.46 | van | why? |
| 22:34.20 | johnkeates | because it doesn't work |
| 22:34.42 | van | johnkeates, lol.ok thanks |
| 22:35.26 | johnkeates | it might work with a different DM or with different session settings |
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| 22:45.58 | captbiz | do i need anything besides `deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free` in my sources.list if im on sid? |
| 22:46.14 | captbiz | i added the security.debian.org and was getting errors |
| 22:46.27 | petemc | security is for stable |
| 22:47.12 | captbiz | ah ok that makes sense thanks |
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| 23:29.15 | opal | â¡ SpaghettiDerp seriously what the hell ×'×× |
| 23:29.25 | SpaghettiDerp | LOL POOP |
| 23:29.36 | opal | â¡ you cant troll pal ×'×× |
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| 23:29.45 | SpaghettiDerp | yeah i can |
| 23:29.47 | SpaghettiDerp | and i am |
| 23:29.48 | SpaghettiDerp | punk |
| 23:31.25 | SpaghettiDerp | * * * * *G*O*A*T*S*E*X* * * * * |
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