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12:29.08MegafJust created a portable version of pngcrush
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12:33.37dearfibonaccihello is there any way to wake a display from terminal ? (screensaver disabled) the problem is that until
12:33.47dearfibonacciI press the auto detect button on display it just wont wake
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12:34.39rafalcppdearfibonacci: maybe  DISPLAY=:0 (or other number)  and then  xset  like xset dpms force on or something
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12:35.10rafalcppdearfibonacci: that should allow you to make given X server to wake up it's physical monitor that is on standby,  from a text console (and via remote connection like ssh) in general
12:35.40dearfibonacciecho $DISPLAY gives no number but ps axu | grep "X " gives :1
12:36.10dearfibonacciand when trying to do like: xset -display :1 dpms force on
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12:36.39dearfibonacciit gives no protocol specified and  unable to open display :1
12:38.22dearfibonaccimaybe needs to run as normal user instead of root ?
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12:52.57bitnapDo you need a powerful computer to use debian?
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12:54.17bezabanbitnap: not at all, but it does of course depend on what you want to do with it
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13:09.20edibitnap: no, to the contrary :)
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13:19.25usbpersistencei used created a live usb key with persistence using debian-live-8.5.0-i386-mate-desktop.iso and a 64 gig usb pendrive. I followed this guide: http://cosmolinux.no-ip.org/raconetlinux2/persistence.html. It worked ok until i did aptitude update. Got a kernel panic and that was it. What gives?
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13:25.38usbpersistenceHe creado un pendrive usb de 64 gigas usando la imagen debian-live-8.5.0-i386-mate-desktop.iso siguiendo las instrucciones de http://cosmolinux.no-ip.org/raconetlinux2/persistence.html. Booteaba y funcionaba bien hasta que ejecute aptitude update && aptitude upgrade. Termine con un kernel panic y se fue todo al traste.
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13:26.52dionysus69zombie processes are leftover after I close atom or firefox dev version
13:27.01dionysus69any ideas why? I cannot kill remove them
13:27.05greycat!zombie
13:27.06dpkgA zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code.  This usually means the parent process is buggy.  You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
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13:27.55dionysus69thanks greycat :)
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13:28.09usbpersistencei created a live usb key with persistence using debian-live-8.5.0-i386-mate-desktop.iso and a 64 gig usb pendrive. I followed this guide: http://cosmolinux.no-ip.org/raconetlinux2/persistence.html. It worked ok until i did aptitude update && aptitude upgrade. Got a kernel panic and that was it. What gives?
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13:31.49dokmaAny way to replace all uses of a font in PDF from CLI? Like 's/ArialMT/Arial/' ?
13:32.25greycatDoes the font name appear in cleartext in the .pdf file, or is it all compressed?
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13:32.49dokmagreycat: grep showed no instances of airalmt in any case combo
13:33.03greycatthen you can't do it with sed or perl -pi -e
13:33.08dokmaPerhaps I can uncompress it?
13:33.13greycatNotafuckinclue.
13:33.22dokmaMe neither...
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13:33.34dokmaDidn't know PDFs were compressed.
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13:34.48unborngreycat: hey, just thanks for last time when I had miserable mood ;)
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13:40.32dokmagreycat: decompressed it... now I can see a bunch of ArialMT around.
13:40.47dokmaI need to figure out which ones I can 's/ArialMT/Arial/'
13:40.50greycatI hope you're operating on a copy of the original....
13:41.10dokmaabsolutely
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13:53.18rysiek|plhmm
13:54.00rysiek|plI need to do a one-way sync from a webdav resource to a directory now and then and looking for the sanest command-line solution in Debian
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13:54.28rysiek|plso far it's either webdav-sync (a Java thing I would rather not use), or dav2fs + rsync
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13:54.41rysiek|plbut it feels like there should be a simpler way
13:55.04rozieyou can mount webdav as FS
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13:55.18rysiek|plrozie: davfs2, yes
13:55.59roziehttp://xmodulo.com/how-to-mount-box-com-cloud-storage-on-linux.html
13:56.05rozieexactly
13:56.20rysiek|plyeah, but I was hoping there's a solution that does not require mounting anything
13:56.29roziewhat's wrong with this solution?
13:56.46rysiek|plfeels a bit... layered
13:56.52rysiek|pl1. mount the davfs2
13:56.55rysiek|pl2. run rsync
13:57.14rysiek|plI hoped there's something that would do the sync in one step
13:57.22rozieyou can automount and keep it mounted
13:57.25rysiek|plI know
13:57.35MorpheusArchshell script at startup maybe?
13:57.54rysiek|plthis is going to be running in docker, so entrypoint script or somesuch, but yeah
13:58.14rozieor script which mounts, make rsync, unmounts
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13:59.46rysiek|plah
13:59.48rysiek|plhttps://packages.debian.org/jessie/cadaver
13:59.54rysiek|plthis might be what I'm looking for
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14:04.41rozierysiek|pl: let know if it works well
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14:07.28prillian5I have made a debian-netinstall (expert). Is there no "root" user after installation?
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14:07.47MorpheusArchdid you enter a password for root?
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14:07.55prillian5I can login with given name during install-process.
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14:08.04prillian5I don't remember there was a prompt for it.
14:08.13prillian5And if, it has be the same as the user-password
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14:09.26prillian5how can I find out, if the "root" user is now renamed with new Username?
14:09.30MorpheusArchdoes the command 'su' work when your logged in?
14:09.36prillian5Normally the root user has id 1000, right?
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14:09.46greycatprillian5: no.
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14:09.49bezabanprillian5: debian does not rename the root user, root is uid0 and disabled via ssh by default
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14:09.53prillian5MorpheusArch: su prompt for password
14:10.04prillian5but if I enter "reboot"  he ask for passwort for user1
14:10.04MorpheusArchenter your password and then ?
14:10.23prillian5error on authentication
14:10.25bezabanthis does not sound like debian
14:10.35prillian5debian8 netinstall
14:10.49bezabanthe reboot command is not even in a users path
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14:11.06prillian5exactly... thas why I'm ask
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14:11.17prillian5so how can I see the ID of an user
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14:11.22bezabanid user
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14:11.44prillian5ok, my first user seems to be root (id=1000)
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14:12.05bezabanoh, if you created a user called root during install that may have caused problems
14:12.07greycatprillian5: you are NOT MAKING SENSE.
14:12.07prillian5so this may be the root-account.. .but strange, that su even ask for a password
14:12.22bezabanperhaps expert mode wasn't optimal
14:12.31greycatprillian5: su asks for a password if you are NOT already superuser (UID 0) when running it
14:12.31prillian5i have no user wich named root
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14:13.02bezabanreinstall or start making sense
14:13.15greycatprillian5: awk -F: '$3 == 0' /etc/passwd
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14:13.20FilystynHELLO
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14:13.32FilystynHow to fidn package for wxWidgets?
14:13.32prillian5http://storage5.static.itmages.com/i/16/0801/h_1470060841_6260173_35da5650e7.jpeg
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14:14.23Filystynanyone here?
14:14.32MorpheusArchyes
14:14.33Filystyni need the dev packet
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14:14.46Filystynhow do i ind it like a nnormal person
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14:14.56Filystynnot using browser just  lookie here lookie there
14:14.59greycatapt-cache search --names-only dev wxwidget
14:15.07prillian5awk command result in blank line (but won't give the curser free till CTRL+c"
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14:15.28greycatprillian5: bullshit.
14:15.32greycatprillian5: learn to paste.
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14:15.43prillian5i have type it manually
14:16.01greycatPASTE THE GOD DAMNED COMMAND DIRECTLY FROM IRC INCLUDING THE /etc/passwd ON THE END WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART
14:16.40prillian5greycat: I can't paste, it is a VNC-Web-Console :(
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14:16.56greycatThen learn to read and type better.
14:17.37prillian5greycat: thank you for your helping hands, but I have exactly typed like you post it:
14:17.43bitnapWill the terminal use a differnment hotkey other than ctrl c and ctrl v so we can copy and paste easily
14:17.44greycat(I do not know and do not WANT to know what is this thing you just named, so I am going to pretend you're a Windows user and dumb everything down accordingly.)
14:17.52prillian5awk -F:'$3==0' /etc/passwd
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14:18.09greycatThat is not how I typed it.  There is A SPACE between the -F: and the script.
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14:19.43prillian5oh sorry. result in root:x:0:0:root:/roott:/bin/bsah
14:20.24greycat... OK, I can't take any more of that.  *plonk*
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14:20.59greycatAnyway, there you go.  There is your root-level superuser account with UID 0.  Its name is possibly "root" unless that was yet another typo you made.
14:21.03prillian5ok, got it. Rootpassword was not set. I have to set is as user for root
14:21.25MorpheusArch...close enough
14:21.48hassoon'sup
14:22.21hassoonyou can't set the password of the root user, as a regular user, if that's what you meant
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14:22.45greycatCan't you?  You'd need to supply the current password when prompted....
14:23.10greycatWell, you'd also need to put sudo in front of it.
14:23.22greycatSo I guess what you said was true.
14:23.27prillian5greycat: yes, and sudo ask for my userpassword
14:23.31hassoongreycat: yep, sudo, not the user alone :v
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14:25.24MorpheusArchI am able to become root with sudo su
14:25.30MorpheusArchfrom there I can just passwd
14:25.38MorpheusArchand enter a new password if that helps
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14:26.22greycatMorpheusArch: you could simply do sudo passwd root
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14:28.07MorpheusArchOr that :P
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14:31.13FilystynFREEIMAGE repository
14:31.17Filystyni mean
14:31.18Filystynpackage
14:31.22Filystynthis is pissing me off
14:31.25hassoonFilystyn: what is it
14:31.29Filystyna lib
14:31.42greycat!enter
14:31.43dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying.  Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.  If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
14:31.45hassoonFilystyn: and what are you up to
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14:32.37themillFilystyn: we've been through this too many times. Go away.
14:32.44FinalX... I was just about to say, lol
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14:35.27FinalXthemill: well thanks! now he's in ##linux again lol
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14:56.11pduerstelerI have a very strange problem that just started on a debian jessie machine. It's running php/mysql, top does not show any high cpu load, no i/o wait, there's enough free disk space and memory, but all commands executed are really slow. Like, I'm waiting 2-4 seconds until I get the shell prompt (default bash) again after e.g. running uptime. Anyone an Idea on how to troubleshoot this?
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14:56.29pduerstelerMySQL just went down a few minutes ago because of a table issue, which I got repaired
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14:57.12erolserm...whenever i try to ssh to muh no-ip domain i get connection refused.
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14:57.39erolsi quite sure that i have done the port forward and everything
14:57.40greycatpduersteler: any PROMPT_COMMAND?  Any forked commands in PS1?  Possibly bash is taking a long time to check your MAIL?
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14:58.17greycaterols: verify that DNS is resolving as you expect
14:58.37erolsgreycat: how do y do that?
14:58.51greycathost, dig, nslookup, dnsqr, etc.
14:58.52erolsshould ii change something in muh /etc/host or something
14:58.53erols?
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14:59.14greycatNo, you do not VERIFY things by modifying files.
14:59.18erolshost name.systes.net?
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15:00.36pduerstelergreycat: Did not set up anything inside .bash_profile or .bashrc regarding PS1 / PROMPT_COMMAND. There's also no mail for the current user.
15:00.52DoctorD90hello! :D i setted apt-mirror file. I will run it when I will be connected to a flat adsl instead of my phone connection. Untill that moment I have a little question: what is the difference between using deb or deb-amd64 ?
15:01.08erolsgreycat: host returns my ip address
15:01.55greycaterols: what precisely is failing, and what is the exact output you get when it fails?
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15:02.52erolsgreycat: ssh: connect to host nomei.sytes.net port 22: Connection refused
15:03.35greycatimadev:~$ ssh nomei.sytes.net
15:03.36greycatssh: Could not resolve hostname nomei.sytes.net: no address associated with name
15:04.01jhutchinspduersteler: Check dmesg and /var/log/syslog - look for disk errors.  Install smartmontools and enable them for the disk.
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15:04.31erolsgreycat: i intentionally gave you the wrong name.
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15:05.08erolsgreycat: but the thing is...the error.
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15:05.25jhutchinsThe only things I know of that lag if DNS isn't resolving are ssh and sendmail.
15:05.30greycatYou are either getting the wrong IP address out of DNS, or your sshd is not listening on the interface to which you are connecting.
15:05.37greycatOr there is a firewall.
15:06.09erolsgreycat: how do you get around it then?
15:06.26greycatBY DIAGNOSING THE FUCKING PROBLEM
15:06.43greycatWhich is not happening if everything you tell us is a lie.
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15:07.02han-solossh name.sytes.net?
15:07.09pduerstelerjhutchins, dmesg shows nothing, syslog has no errors in it. will set up smartmoxntools
15:07.39han-solos/sytes/systes
15:08.22greycattelnet nomei.systes.net 22  =>  SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.2p2 Ubuntu-6ubuntu0.1
15:08.30greycatNo wonder he lied.
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15:09.38han-solo:)
15:09.47DoctorD90anyone that used apt-mirror? :p
15:11.07otyugherols this is most likely you didn't set up the nat rule needed on your router. thought it is considered bad practice to keep using port 22 when exposing to internet, even if it won't add much security, it's really easy to do
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15:12.05greycatIf han-solo's guess about erols's method of lying is correct, then erols is an ubuntu user (wrong channel), and his server *is* reachable, so the issue is on the client side.  Possibly.
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15:12.48greycaterols also mentioned /etc/hosts, and we have evidence that he is stupid, so he might have simply placed an incorrect entry in /etc/hosts which would then need to be REMOVED.
15:12.53greycatThere are many, many other possible causes.
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15:16.50capum321hello, some friends help me yesterday discovering why my linux won't boot: i have added a entry in fstab: "UUID=133A62F042D4E436 /media/user/label    ntfs-3g        auto,user,rw 0 0" - without quotes - I commented, thus system went back which I am currently in. how could troubleshoot to allow it to mount on boot?
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15:19.36bgardnercapum321: Maybe use autofs for that instead of mount on boot?
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15:23.35unborncapum321: you already asked.. however - what is your distro?
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15:25.18DarcidrideE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly", i can't install anymore packages... Someone can help me please ?
15:25.29Darcidrideops, sorry ^
15:26.30bijan_Hi I want to send email from my debian 8.5 server in case of an error on the server to my own email address. what is the EASIEST way? I don't want to configure a complex mail architecture. I just want to send a textmail
15:26.38DarcidrideDarcidride> Hi, my Raspbian is up ot date (Jessie version), everytimes i try to install a package i have this error "dpkg:../../src/unpack.c:123:deb_reassemble : internal error : unexpected exit status 11 from dpkg-split
15:26.38Darcidride<Darcidride> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly", i can't install enymore packages... Someone can help me please ?
15:26.38Darcidride<Darcidride> anymore*
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15:28.06KnaldgasTrying to get usb automount to work through udev. I have a rule that runs pmount, but now pmount only creates the directory, but does not mount the actual device. Manually running the exact command shown by "udevadm test --action=add /sys/class/block/sdb1" acutally works. What am I missing?
15:28.27KnaldgasIt has worked previously, but one or another update appears to have broken it
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15:31.41greycatbijan_: exim is installed by default.  Edit /etc/aliases and change the line that says "root: youruser" to "root: youremail@address" and run newaliases
15:32.17greycatbijan_: Also *test* that you can actually send mail to that site, by sending some mail.  If that doesn't work, figure out if you need to use an ISP's smart host or something.
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15:34.53greycatcapum321: try adding the "nofail" option?  Dunno for sure.  That's what the man page (fstab) seems to say.
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15:35.53donttrustemHi guys, can anyone tell me why ctrl+c does not work from a terminal session?
15:36.03DoctorD90greycat, any idea about my apt-mirror related question? :) (good morning ^_^)
15:36.17donttrustemI have to do a ctrl+x then kill -9 the pid
15:36.26bijan_greycat: thx.. I already installed postfix but I think I will remove it and install exim again
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15:42.54kironahh it's a wonderful day
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15:43.08MorpheusArchJust a quick question the debian administrators guide says you can use dpkg to install a linux kernel but everywhere else I seen talks about make all make modules make install
15:43.13MorpheusArchwhats better / best?
15:43.51nkuttler!tell MorpheusArch about kernel handbook
15:43.59donttrustemis now really puzzled why ctrl+c does not work :(
15:45.04greycatdonttrustem: what the hell is ctrl-x?
15:45.25MorpheusArchthanks
15:45.28donttrustemgreycat: ctrl+x
15:45.33greycatdonttrustem: double-check the bindings in 'stty -a', then try ctrl-c (or whatever intr is bound to) at a PLAIN BASH PROMPT
15:45.33MorpheusArchlooks like a lot of reading though
15:45.36MorpheusArch:P
15:45.49greycatdonttrustem: No, what the hell *is* it?  Why would pressing ctrl-x or ctrl+x do anything?
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15:46.09donttrustemgreycat: yes pauses the process
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15:46.18greycatdonttrustem: so you have already changed your stty bindings?
15:46.26donttrustemNo
15:46.33greycatsusp is usually bound to ctrl-z NOT ctrl-x
15:46.36greycatcheck stty -a
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15:52.16donttrustemgreycat: how do I change the mapping intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^?; kill = ^U; eof = ^D; eol = M-^?; eol2 = M-^?; swtch = <undef>; start = ^Q; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; rprnt = ^R; werase = ^W; lnext = ^V;
15:52.35donttrustemintr = ^C
15:53.06greycatI don't see ^X in that list so I don't know what the hell ^X is doing for you, or why it's doing it.
15:53.20greycatDoes ^C (ctrl+c) work at a PLAIN BASH PROMPT?
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15:53.57donttrustemlet me check tailing a log
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15:55.58capum321ok here is output from "$ sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o auto,user,rw UUID=133A62F042D4E436 /media/user/label" http://dpaste.com/2NJ1TSY
15:56.54donttrustemgreycat: yeah really strange it works tailing a log but it will not work with composer….
15:57.11donttrustemreally strange composer watch sass
15:57.25donttrustemctrl+c has a problem
15:57.32greycatI do not know what "composer" is.  Find its documentation or its support channel.
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15:57.47donttrustemyeah … I will thanks
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16:29.03capum321bgardner greycat ? did you read above?
16:29.21unborn:D
16:29.40bgardnercapum321: No, one second
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16:30.58bgardnercapum321: Er, that paste seems fairly clear - what's your question?
16:31.39capum321no hibernation or fast restarting ?
16:31.52capum321nor...
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16:32.58bgardnercapum321: I'm not sure what to tell you; Windows left a flag on the volume as "unclean shutdown" that only Windows can clear.  Either fix it via Windows or mount it read-only.
16:33.27capum321ok thanks
16:34.21bgardnercapum321: Also, this is an area where I am stupid - I really don't use NTFS volumes from Debian.  Others might have more wisdom.
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17:33.02domovoyhi
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17:34.28domovoyis there any way to stop apt/dpkg to automatically start  daemons after installing them? or a hook i can use to alter the said daemon configuration before starting it? (second solution would be better)
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17:35.53greycatNo, there is no generalized way to do that.
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17:53.16SynrGgreycat, domovoy: i thought something like that happens automatically in a chroot
17:53.42SynrGof course, that's a special case.
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17:55.56SynrGbut maybe i'm confusing it with what live-build itself does. since it does quite a bit more than just make a chroot.
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18:07.37disigot my daily Gnome freeze-up out of the way early this morning... am i the only one that this happens to?
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18:22.02taylor1help
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18:22.23SynrG!ask
18:22.23dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:23.41unborngreycat: have pro question - do you do win srvs too?
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18:24.16unbornim just about to drop them from list of my things I do on my site.. just not sure about it..
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18:26.18iriI'm running MATE on sid. I've configured the screensaver to "blank", but when I lock the screen it shows the debian wallpaper. How do I get it to blank the screen instead, or alternatively change the wallpaper? (Or where might I look?)
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18:26.35unborndisi: all fine on my end.. since installed jessie I had one kernel panic only - and freeze - I unplug hdd by accident otherwise it works just perfectly
18:27.02jhutchinsiri: If this is a sid-specific problem you might find more help in #debian-next on oftc.net.
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18:27.11unborniri: inst the sid testing?
18:27.26unbornperhaps debian-next channel would be better iri
18:27.43iriOK. So this behaviour isn't consistent with expectations, then?
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18:28.06unborniri: ^^^
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18:28.59unbornwho can edit dpkg bot here?
18:29.36TomTomTo1what do you want to change?
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18:30.18unbornTomTomTo1: may I pm?
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18:30.30unbornthe ! ask answer..
18:30.46TomTomTo1sure
18:31.24jhutchinsiri: Yes, it's consistent with expectations that sid might not work as expected.
18:31.37irijhutchins: :)
18:32.00missmbobit's been unchanged since 2003. seems like it's been working well
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18:32.23disiunborn: I'm on jessie too... im thinking maybe im missing some packages. trying `sudo apt-get instll gnome`. it's weird that ive now had 2 updates in a row where it stops part-way thru and asks if im sure.
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18:35.29unborndisi: how did you install ? gnome iso or netinstall? I generally do netinstall - as during the install all updates and latest packages are downloaded on the go.. it seems to me very unusual that you have random freezes. what graphics you do have?
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18:42.05SynrGdisi: and is it a laptop? if so, is it very new?
18:42.27SynrGi know there are some intel chipsets that have issues only fixed in the most recent kernels
18:42.40SynrG,kernels
18:42.41juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.3-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
18:42.51SynrGi.e. jessie-backports or later
18:42.58unbornSynrG: I do run old hw but not that old and it works fine
18:43.05unborn<PROTECTED>
18:43.05unbornUptime: 7h 56m 35s **
18:43.21unbornSynrG: ^^^ no issues on my end - at all
18:43.46SynrGwell. not very helpful to disi, though.
18:43.51unbornlikes greycat recommend me to switch my irc client :)
18:44.31unbornSynrG: i was about what you said - recent intel chipsets issues..
18:45.39SynrGunborn: and it's helpful how?
18:46.17unbornSynrG: are you reading what I am typing?
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18:47.23SynrGshall we enumerate all recentish intel chipsets that *do* work? and if we could, would that help disi?
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18:47.37unbornSynrG: it was information for you perhaps - it was helpful as your kernel info..
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18:48.15unbornI ask disi how and what she/he installed - there was no reply and unless I know the answer I cannot be more helpful can I?
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18:48.38unbornSynrG: yeah lets do that.. its much better..
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18:57.52SynrGdisi: what i was referring to was https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109051#c383 so if your processor is one of these, it could be having freezes due to this bug. in that case, try a jessie-backports kernel.
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18:58.45SynrGpersonally, i've seen it on N3050 so far.
18:59.05SynrGsorry, i mean N3700
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19:07.25unbornnods SynrG
19:07.47unbornyou was are right on those...
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19:29.03zeta-If you can't tap your touchpad install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
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19:31.10zeta-I didn't have that installed when the driver changed, and haven't been able to tap since...
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19:33.11awal1zeta-, what happens, you can't tap in touchpad?
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19:36.25zeta-Can now! I've installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
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19:38.12awal1if any, via terminal you can enable/disable that synclient TapButton1=(boolean 1/0)
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19:42.21teraflopsif you are in testing/sid libinput is the way to go though
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19:51.09disiunborn, SynrG: sorry for the lag... i did a full install with no internet (until after gnome was up). this is a Lenovo Thinkstation D30 (workstation not laptop)
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19:51.32disiwell, maybe not an everything disc
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19:53.19unborndisi: on lenovo I would go with net-install always - you need drivers download non free netinstall iso.. its strange coz most of lenovos should work with gnome right a way without issues..
19:53.57dokmaWhy would this: cat /tmp/xmr | xmacroplay ":0.0"   work from the terminal but not from "Run program" or keyboard shortcuts?
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19:54.48unborndisi: last two in bottom and click the first and then gnone on that install.. I do not see your system so its hardly saying what it could be wrong you know.. its possibly overkill but I would do reinstall (if you have /home separated then its just matter of minutes)
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19:56.19SynrGdisi: not the issue i cited, then
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19:56.41SynrGBut still, a backports kernel may be worth trying
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19:57.31disiunborn: im only using the free sources fwiw i didnt separate /home... probably should have
19:57.57disiwe'll see if installing whatever i was missing from gnomne changes anything
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19:58.22pduerstelerquestion: the third column in the output of "last -x" is either an ip address or the kernel. When it's the kernel mentioned together, is it a system reboot due to e.g. an ACPI event / container shutdown from the virtualiser / etc?
19:58.22unborndisi: you didnt need to but generally its good advice - you know when you have issues like this or sys upgrade or reinstall need it to be ? - its easier ;)
19:59.35unborndisi: yeah I would go with reinstall - clean system but netsintall downloads the parts from net - you need to know this - there is huge benefits - you will get latest version onto your system as it go via install..
19:59.53disiunborn: i will have to remember that. it hasnt been a huge deal because i sync my data with other devices (using syncthing), but that takes longer and longer as i accumulate data
19:59.56unborndisi: I mean the issue should stop.
20:00.26jellydokma, that's not a "program", that's a shell command line.  This is a possible (single) program invocation: /bin/sh -c 'cat /tmp/xmr | xmacroplay ":0.0"'
20:00.27unborndisi: rsync best option to sync data around (at least for me)
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20:00.47disiunborn: so i would normally do a netinst, but at the office, we get MitM'd whenever we try to connect to anything via HTTPS. i need to figure out how to change my default gateway for the install process for the netinst to work
20:01.03unborndisi: - but you know there is always endless thing to try to fix the issue right? just asking..
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20:01.36disiya... i could try switching to kde too :p
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20:02.05unborndisi: i did worked in gov office and in schools - there is good great way to go around this.. if you have spare hdd and machine install deb in home - and clone it in work ;)
20:02.11disilately ive been considering switiching to sid too
20:02.24unborndisi: updates later you can deliver via hdd or dvd ;)
20:02.39disiunborn: that wouldnt help with the driver issues tho, right? it would need to be the same maachine
20:02.53unborn...so you can always update even if you offline :) disi
20:03.10unborndisi: it would
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20:03.31unborndisi: just burn dvd with all debian firmware and install what you need on that machine
20:03.36unborn:)
20:03.39jellydisi, debian does not use https for repos by default.  if http or ftp goes thru you ought to be fine
20:03.49unbornthere is always the way how to do it
20:03.57jelly!firmware images
20:03.57dpkgUnofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ .  See also <install guide>.
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20:04.18jelly^^ if it's really lack of firmware that's the issue
20:04.19unborndisi see what jelly just said - so you are free :)
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20:04.58disijelly: oh i misspoke... the issue is that there is no external ipv6 connectivity, only internal. so i get an ipv6 address and debian tries to use it but cannot get to the outside world.
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20:05.27jellydisi, does it get a default route for ipv6?
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20:06.22jellyif it does but you can't actually get to public internet, tell your networking people to fix it?
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20:07.15unbornjelly: trust me in UK and possibly anywhere else - it will not work.. as sys I can tell you my boss will be asshole and will not like it
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20:07.37unbornhowever I did gave it solution (him/her)
20:07.38jellyapt-get (and related commands) do try ipv6 first then ipv4 in many situations if 'v6 fails
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20:08.36disijelly: well its disabled now, but a coworker checked and has a default route to what i think is a link-local ipv6. so ya, probably
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20:20.13awal1any advice on how to make shellex use the primary monitor?
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20:22.21awal1no display / monitor references in docs. and googling I only get result about windows shell :(
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20:23.01awal1looking for something like dmenu_run -m 0 (for make dmenu use the fisrt monitor)
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20:23.24unbornawal1: cosider me stupid but what is shellex? I've been running live gentoo and knoppix back in early 90s - I possibly must sleepover my millennium but what on earth is shellex?
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20:25.09radw62hello
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20:25.38unbornradw62: well hi there
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20:27.04unborn- anyone - what is shellex?
20:27.43awal1unborn "shell-based launcher. shellex is supposed to be a dmenu-style launcher with a lot more features and a lot simpler design. It launches a shell (currently zsh) and shows it in a small terminal, wrapping every command with a little bit of extra magic (redirecting stdout, stderr, disowning and closing the shell) to get more typical launcher-behaviour.  This gives you a simple launcher with tab-completion and other shell-features, configurable in shell."
20:27.45unbornawal1: just re-read your comments - shellex is windows creappy thing?
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20:28.23unbornokay got you awal1 but is that - windows thing?
20:28.35awal1unborn, no man
20:28.48awal1its a deb pkg
20:28.55awal1,v shellex
20:28.56juddPackage: shellex on amd64 -- stretch: 0.1-1; jessie: 0.1-1; sid: 0.1-1
20:29.39awal1it's a great tool :P
20:29.49unbornawal1: okay - so - i nod that and my bad - sorry.. perhaps im not long enough in linux world to know it all. - i cannot help you with this one :(
20:30.07awal1unborn, np
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20:31.26TomTomTo1you can look into /usr/lib/shellex/ and see if there is anything related. if so, change the config at /etc/shellex/ or $HOME/.shellex/
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20:33.46awal1TomTomTo1, nvm, . sorry guys. It was there in man but I have missed it several times. I have to set URxvt.shellex.pos: pointer via XressourcesXdefaults  for get it to show where the mouse pointer is
20:34.13beckkshi there, last night my pc shut down while i slept. how can i find out what happened? unfortunatly, i had to remove a fuse today while the pc was turned on. i do not know if this matters or if relevant data could have been lost.
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20:34.59awal1pointer or focus ^
20:35.33unbornbeckks: in your logs - have look in to your log files.. in /var
20:35.44unborn...logs - the log you want
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20:36.36unbornbeckks: in /var/log/......
20:37.03unbornas root or if you did not setup your root passwords - do sudo..
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20:42.01beckksunborn: thanks. i already looked in /var/log/messages, there is one entry about rsyslogd (rsyslogd was HUPed), but i don't know what that means. what are other logfiles i could look at?
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20:47.55awal1beckks, as I know you MAY find a few stuff logged via dmesg, but seems that the only way is https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/#index2h1
20:47.56unbornbeckks have look at the timing of your loggs - like auth and root stuff - the user who could turn your machine off.. also - have look at your bios - for heat events - like your machine did overheated - it can happen easy - you know what I mean?
20:48.12awal1but that will be for next reboot/shutdown
20:48.28asiris there a git repo Russell Coker's SELinux reference policy, or maybe a Debian one? I'd like to check out a up-to-date code
20:48.40unbornawal1: i have to ask you - are you do own server?
20:48.50unbornor manage one perhaps?
20:49.25awal1unborn, no at all
20:51.03awal1unborn, many users here use debian for server stuff, just ask...
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20:51.16beckksunborn: i don't really know what you mean, this never happened in the last 4 years or so. i noticed entrys in /var/log/syslog: Aug  1 07:17:01 debian CRON[10453]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
20:51.16beckksAug  1 07:17:01 debian CRON[10453]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
20:52.22unbornawal1: so - as you do not - you do realise that every single machine out there is running very same matter as server right? how on bloody earth you can refer user to check some - fucking - website to check the logs - logs in any system - be it linux or unix will tell you - everything! I told the user to check the logs - what you did - just gave out some bullshit info to - actually do WHAT???? do you realised that your system is actually running logs at
20:52.22unbornall? - what you doing man?
20:53.47unbornbeckks: possibly overheat of your machine - .. have look on cron.hourly - what it is and also have look who is running it - its your or root and if so - why . just follow the log files.. it does tell you a lot
20:55.00awal1unborn, slow down slow down; that depends on what he is really looking for...
20:55.15awal1I guess you are a clue less about the power of systemd...
20:56.46unbornawal1: I did have you 3 times on my ingore list - I do nods folks who learn - but - even if you do - please do FUCKING think what do you advice to debian folks around - we are not some kind of cowboys running around here...  - can you respect me and other debian old folks here? we will do same backwards but please - if you do not know the answer - please - dont tell any bullshit - and reply to the issue..  - THANKS - MUCH APPRECIATED FELLA.
20:58.26unborn- SORRY again for same crap happening.. im just too old for it.. any debian chan folks feel free to mute me on this one here.
20:58.56awal1I think you need to go out and walk a bit...take a bit of air..
20:59.38greycatLogs showing that cron.hourly got executed are not interesting.
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20:59.48greycatcron.hourly gets executed... hourly.  Yawn.
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21:00.47beckksokay i did not really want to post my last message already. my middle mouse key is fucked up. this entry repeats every hour (07:17, 08:17, etc) till 11:17. i woke up maybe at 12 and realized my computer was turned off. the rsyslogd entry in /var/log/messages is from 6:25. what does this mean? thanks for the other information.
21:01.01unbornawal1: i do not care what is it clue less or whatever rubbish you go on all those weeks - I follow debian and I do believe in debian - I do not follow the rubbish - well finally I perhaps get the ban but someone have to tell you.. stop doing your idiotic know how - you do help sometimes but most of the times - you eat and poo nothing.. - take the truth.
21:01.33beckksgreycat: oh okay, haha
21:02.03greycatbeckks: a sudden *absence* of cron.hourly log lines would show you at what point the computer was no longer running.  At least within a 1-hour window.
21:02.13unborngreycat: can you mute me again (like last time you did grate favour to me - or mute that - useless) - whatever OPs just do the right thing.
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21:02.51unborngreycat: is perhaps right awal1 - focus always on user - only user is the light
21:02.59unborn*end user
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21:04.56unbornawal1: I like your passion regards the debian but so far - you have no know-how - and sometimes I do even be quiet when I do not know.. but regards logs - I do voice strong - and you should do same as fellow user
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21:05.11TomTomTo1unborn: would you stop already?
21:05.14unbornawal1: we should share it.
21:05.31unbornTomTomTo1: - i did . thank you
21:05.54TomTomTo1srsly, all this drama has no place here.
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21:08.56unbornTomTomTo1: when you do 873 debian business converts - with pro support - and user giving shit out there like he is giving out - yeah call me drama queen - all Ive asked was legit stuff - we all know it.. so yeah srsly - im debian and I am trying to help folks here - som I am srsly - you know
21:09.30unbornTomTomTo1: its end for me anyway.. got ingore list
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21:14.46awal1unborn, I was away and not learning you :D But I just did it. I haven't seen your name somewhere as at least A DD/DM if you argue you know all about gnu/linux. I'm a new end debian user; I try to help as I can...Thats all. Anyway...
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21:18.17Akuwi am looking for a job in sysadmin, but i don't have experience with servers in DNS, Mail, DHCP and VPN
21:18.26unbornawal1: i am no one to linux and you should put me and my ip and nick name to ignore list - you dont have to be sorry for to be new to us but - you should admit that some issues you tried to help here are just abowe your - knowledge - and it is hurting us how know even just a bit about the issue to give out wrong advice - I do really appreciate and I do love your passion for it - but you do have to realise that folks have running os on different specs
21:18.26unbornyou do have and with different configs you do run.. - we are same sure - but computers are not the same.. - that was all my message.
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21:18.31Akuwso, what level of support i can work?
21:18.32dondelelcarounborn: please stop.
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21:20.06dondelelcaroAkuw: that's not really on topic here; ##linux may be your best bet for guidance. But that said, the best thing to do is to learn those skills.
21:20.11Akuwi got one certification basic
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21:20.37Akuwthanks
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21:22.32awal1excuses guys, but I have one and last question for unborn. unborn, when you say "us" I would like to know what you did for debian project apart a few  "try to do this or that in this channel"?
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21:24.03dondelelcaroawal1: please stop; it's not really helpful.
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21:54.33quinnwCan I change the behavior of notifications in Debian, so that a command is run when the system gets a notification from an application?
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22:09.09ryoumaquinnw: i can't help you as i don't knw about such things, but is this related to dbus?  i.e. is that what you mean by notificatios?  or do you mean like logger(1)?
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22:09.38quinnwOne example use case is if you're receiving a Skype call
22:09.46ryoumahmm
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22:10.16quinnw(I'm making an assumption with that use case that Debian notifications get sent by Skype)
22:10.52simonlnuthere's an intermediary process that receives and displays them.
22:11.04quinnwAs in Desktop Notification System type stuff
22:11.08simonlnudepending on the UI you're using
22:11.22simonlnuxfce has one, gnome, kde, etc.
22:11.34quinnwsimonlnu: in my case Gnome
22:12.48simonlnugo in the control center, it should be there
22:13.40quinnw(Context for the curious: I want a Raspberry Pi connected to a TV via HDMI for both audio and video to still be able to audibly indicate notifications when the TV is on a different input. I can use a program to play audio through the analog jack even if HDMI is being used for audio.)
22:13.42quinnwOk
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23:23.53WallyHow reliable is HFS read / write on Debian these days?
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23:43.50WallyDominian hi
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