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| 00:14.53 | kroSoft | hi all |
| 00:15.06 | Jaggz | what controls the screensaver when power management is disabled (kde4)? |
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| 00:17.34 | Jaggz | oops.. remove nick from wrong channel :) |
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| 00:27.38 | iste | iceweasel crashes constantly for me, a backtrace seems to link it to libavcodec.so.56 |
| 00:27.47 | iste | *firefox-esr, sorry old habits |
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| 00:29.13 | iste | does anyone know anything about this? i also tried with non-dpkg versions of firefox/pale moon and the same thing happened |
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| 00:31.04 | iste | this is on jessie, if it wasnt obvious from me joining this particular channel |
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| 00:34.55 | iste | i think its probably some gstreamer thing but i have no idea how to solve it |
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| 00:47.50 | awal1 | iste, which version of firefox and libavcodec you have? |
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| 00:49.06 | damarusama | trying to compile taskd on debian stable, they call for cmake . |
| 00:49.13 | damarusama | and I Get Could NOT find GnuTLS (missing: GNUTLS_LIBRARY GNUTLS_INCLUDE_DIR) |
| 00:49.31 | damarusama | but I installed gnutls trough apt-get |
| 00:49.37 | damarusama | does it need to be initialized? |
| 00:50.19 | damarusama | ha needed the libgnutls-dev |
| 00:50.23 | damarusama | sorry for the noise |
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| 00:51.16 | iste | awal1: firefox-esr/stable,now 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1 amd64 [installed] |
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| 00:52.01 | iste | awal1: awal1: libavcodec56/stable,now 6:11.7-1~deb8u1 amd64 [installed,automatic] |
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| 00:53.55 | awal1 | iste, a few bugs about similar issue ; they may give you pistes https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1246467 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330898 |
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| 00:56.45 | iste | it crashes without, say for example, h264 decoding being involved |
| 00:57.11 | iste | it crashed on that page after a few seconds |
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| 00:58.13 | awal1 | I may reproduce here , any video link which make you iceweasel crash? |
| 00:58.45 | iste | not video links, just general crashing although every gdb backtrace ive run brings me back to that library |
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| 00:59.14 | iste | i have no idea how you could reproduce this, it seems like something mightve fucked up on my side because nobody else gets errors like this |
| 00:59.38 | awal1 | does it crash when in safe mode? |
| 01:00.16 | iste | yes |
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| 01:02.17 | iste | it's basically unusable for me, it wasn't some hours ago though. after a reboot it's completely unusable |
| 01:02.57 | iste | this is on a very clean install, i did it today with a usb stick as my / drive since my main laptop drive died |
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| 01:07.53 | awal1 | iste you may find interesting info via about:crashes if you haven't did yet |
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| 01:08.51 | iste | about:crashes doens't load? url not valid |
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| 01:09.54 | iste | anyways because this isnt really reproducable and chromium works fine im going to stop caring about it |
| 01:12.52 | awal1 | iste, sorry, I forgot that about:crashes will not work in the deb pkg, bcoz it's related with the crash reporter which is disabled, not included as debian firefox pkg is built |
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| 01:49.35 | FUNG-KU | Hi, Debian sources.list for older releases is a real mess... |
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| 01:51.44 | FUNG-KU | It should stay the same and never change . e.g. call wheezy always wheezy, and not stable...., thats BS.. |
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| 01:56.49 | finchd | it was true when it was written, like most other configs. but stable has moved on. |
| 01:56.50 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: the docs say to always use release names and not state ...so...you just did it wrong |
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| 02:00.04 | FUNG-KU | missmbob, did you see Ubuntu Repositories ? |
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| 02:00.40 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: why would i? |
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| 02:03.32 | FUNG-KU | IMHO debian repositories are a mess..., and so are the URLs |
| 02:04.09 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: so use ubuntu. wont hurt our feelings since you seem to think they have it together |
| 02:04.55 | FUNG-KU | pan to rai, nothing is stable.... |
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| 02:06.01 | FUNG-KU | missmbob i use Debian, but i am struggelin with the URLs in the sources.list.. |
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| 02:06.37 | dvs | FUNG-KU, for wheezy? |
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| 02:07.13 | FUNG-KU | you know, the URLs are going to change, for wheezy as well... |
| 02:07.17 | FUNG-KU | time will tell |
| 02:07.36 | missmbob | only when it's archived |
| 02:07.45 | dvs | wheezy has to when it goes to the archive. |
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| 02:08.07 | FUNG-KU | see, thats what i am saying.... ONLY ???, thats more confusing .. |
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| 02:08.46 | themill | FUNG-KU: sources.list for wheezy hasn't changed in the last 5½ years and won't change for another 2. |
| 02:09.08 | dvs | The only time you have to change the URLs is when a release goes from a current release to the archive. |
| 02:09.11 | themill | (at which time it will no longer have any form of support at all and so it gets deleted from the mirrors) |
| 02:10.32 | FUNG-KU | Ubuntu made it simple to understand, archive.ubuntu.com or old-releases.ubuntu.com, thats it..., but as for debian the seem to be alot of different URls, and some are not online...,DELETING FROM MIRRORS IS ANOTHER NIGHTMARE... |
| 02:10.44 | themill | yeah, umm.. that's the same thing. |
| 02:11.15 | themill | And the mirrors can't keep carrying it indefinitely. Each release is a huge amount of space. |
| 02:11.34 | missmbob | you still have to change sources.list to old-releases. it's not that debian has an "extra" change that ubuntu doesn't |
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| 02:12.31 | missmbob | plus i think it's good. if you try to update a really old machine that you haven't changed the sources on you'll know it's no longer supported. |
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| 02:15.19 | FUNG-KU | I dont know where the problem exactly is, but i have no problems in handeling the ubuntu sources.list... |
| 02:15.49 | FUNG-KU | in contrast to debians ...sources.list.. |
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| 02:16.06 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: paste.debian.net your sources.list if you want us to tell you what's wrong |
| 02:16.32 | FUNG-KU | i am going to..., just a sec.., please... |
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| 02:18.16 | FUNG-KU | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.59 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: oh you said wheezy. this is squeeze. that was archived. wheezy hasn't |
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| 02:19.17 | FUNG-KU | did i ? |
| 02:19.35 | missmbob | !squeeze-lts |
| 02:19.36 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». |
| 02:19.44 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: you did. ^ that's what it should look like |
| 02:20.28 | FUNG-KU | there is some hot air blowing.... |
| 02:20.50 | missmbob | i'm not blowing any air but you don't have to believe me. hell i didn't even say it. the bot told you |
| 02:21.12 | missmbob | anyway, if you don't want to believe me, i'm done. |
| 02:22.09 | FUNG-KU | missmbob: so ubuntu has archive.ubuntu.com and old-releases.ubuntu.com..., what are URLs for Debian ? archive.debian.org only ? |
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| 02:23.04 | FUNG-KU | all this backports URLs and so on get me confused... |
| 02:23.09 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: archive.debian.org is ubuntu's old-releases. for non-archived releases you can use a thousand different mirrors or just the main one |
| 02:23.34 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: for archived releases that one line is all you need. one. you can add contrib non-free to it, but that's it |
| 02:23.43 | FUNG-KU | missmbob: what is the main URL for debian repositories.. |
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| 02:24.10 | missmbob | http://httpredir.debian.org |
| 02:24.19 | missmbob | which will point you to a close mirror |
| 02:24.33 | dvs | but not for squeeze |
| 02:24.46 | FUNG-KU | haha..., is that a link..., to a link ? i am so confused..., debian i really cryptic... |
| 02:25.03 | missmbob | you don't have to know how the servers work. just point it to that one link |
| 02:25.05 | FUNG-KU | debian is cryptic.. |
| 02:25.20 | missmbob | no. ubuntu does the same thing. you think old-releases runs on one server? |
| 02:25.41 | FUNG-KU | missmbob: yes i do think so... |
| 02:25.44 | missmbob | i'm starting to think i'm being trolled |
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| 02:26.08 | FUNG-KU | missmbob: thanks for trying,,... i guess i am without hope... |
| 02:26.22 | FUNG-KU | little hope... |
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| 02:26.26 | FUNG-KU | a little bit.. |
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| 02:30.10 | rgwu | FUNG-KU: You missed an opportunity to fit more capital letters into your handle. |
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| 02:31.14 | FUNG-KU | http://www.zeropage.de/linux/sources.list, check this sources.list, if this is not confusing.... looks more like C++ |
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| 02:31.31 | FUNG-KU | I am not a programmer yet... |
| 02:31.52 | FUNG-KU | but debians sources.list might make me one.... |
| 02:32.24 | rgwu | nothing about that link is confusing |
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| 02:32.55 | FUNG-KU | okay sorry, i am just not smart as debian users.... |
| 02:33.09 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: no one's even telling you to use that. i gave you one line. one |
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| 02:34.17 | rgwu | missmbob: trolls need more food than a single line provides |
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| 02:34.42 | FUNG-KU | missmbob: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian squeeze-lts main ... |
| 02:35.32 | missmbob | yes. and i followed with add contrib or non-free if you want |
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| 02:38.11 | FUNG-KU | missmbob: Did you noticed that line in the sources.list ? But still struggeling with unsufficient repositories... |
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| 02:38.53 | rgwu | Every sentence need not end with ... |
| 02:39.00 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: i did. the problem is you have all those other lines. when i say one line i mean delete everything else |
| 02:39.19 | missmbob | squeeze doesn't have security, etc |
| 02:39.21 | MrTrick | I've got a small (ec2 micro instance) turnkey linux server, which is debian-based. I'd like to take a backup and remove it. Any suggestions? |
| 02:39.29 | missmbob | remove them. one line. can't be that hard to understand. c'mon. |
| 02:39.38 | FUNG-KU | rgwu: ye are speaking the truth. |
| 02:40.36 | FUNG-KU | missmbob: Deleting the other lines , never occured to me... |
| 02:41.01 | FUNG-KU | missmbob: that could be a problem then... |
| 02:41.07 | FUNG-KU | ? |
| 02:41.18 | awal1 | FUNG-KU, crunchbang is dead |
| 02:41.21 | missmbob | you not removin them is a problem |
| 02:41.31 | rgwu | Yea, and FUNG-KU spaketh unto the masses saying, "blah blah blah ..." |
| 02:41.54 | FUNG-KU | so it be..., cheers... |
| 02:42.56 | rgwu | Lol. If you mustn't delete them then comment them out. |
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| 02:43.33 | FUNG-KU | rgwu: if everyday is a holiday, why cant i stand debian without a beer ? |
| 02:43.50 | rgwu | FUNG-KU: because you hate good software? |
| 02:43.54 | missmbob | one shouldn't go without a beer regardless of their OS |
| 02:44.01 | rgwu | missmbob: agreed |
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| 02:46.39 | awal1 | thinks that FUNG_KU, may want to add a sid repo to the sources file |
| 02:46.56 | dvs | heh |
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| 02:48.24 | awal1 | FUNG-KU, squeeze is so old old release, why you won't to run jessie? |
| 02:49.23 | FUNG-KU | awal1: i am always on the run...., always on the hype... i am sick off it. |
| 02:49.54 | rgwu | FUNG-KU: apt-get upgrade is optional |
| 02:50.29 | awal1 | I may understand you. squeeze was my first gnu/linux os. I miss it; I remember it was so rock solid with gnome2, FUNG-KU |
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| 02:52.12 | FUNG-KU | awal1: things are gettin so complicated, i want to learn a OS, not beeing upgrading all the time, ... that stuff is more like a drug.., should be illegal... |
| 02:52.30 | rgwu | ... |
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| 02:55.37 | dvs | all the time??? Ha Ha Ha! Debian is often accused of not upgrading enough. |
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| 02:59.26 | KNERD | Try Fedora...upgrading so much, don't have time to fix bugs, and now they have a complete mess |
| 02:59.26 | FUNG-KU | Well , if i am King of a distro, my distro would host a single repository, like http://www.mydistro.com/distro, nothing more. no additional urls..... for backports , security ..... etc etc.. |
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| 03:00.01 | rgwu | FUNG-KU: pro-tip: alias u="apt-get upgrade" <--- now you can feed the need more easily |
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| 03:01.09 | jokesterae | hello |
| 03:01.41 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: well you just dont understand the purpose or what they mean. if backports was in the main url it wouldn't be backports. |
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| 03:01.51 | FUNG-KU | 5. o'clock in tha moring... |
| 03:02.06 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: you'd get all sorts of potentionally buggy software in stable. with no security. that's no good. |
| 03:02.12 | rgwu | FUNG-KU: ... |
| 03:02.55 | FUNG-KU | hmm.. sorry missmbob i am to novice to understand what you are talking about... |
| 03:03.31 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ read "about" |
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| 03:06.28 | FUNG-KU | missmbob: well.... debian is freedom , freedom to test..., freedom to update, and freedom to neverending upgrades...., and never ending bugfixed... |
| 03:06.47 | FUNG-KU | bugfixing.. |
| 03:06.51 | rgwu | FUNG-KU: ... |
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| 03:09.23 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: you just explained why backports has to be separated |
| 03:10.05 | rgwu | And old software you refuse to upgrade isn't bug free. |
| 03:10.30 | FUNG-KU | I know..., i contradict myself...., and let me tell you, "I dont make any sense" |
| 03:10.43 | rgwu | FUNG-KU: ... |
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| 03:10.59 | FUNG-KU | rgwu :-)) |
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| 03:14.03 | FUNG-KU | missmbob: So why not add "backports" just in the same URL, but in a different Repository-component like: "http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free backports" |
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| 03:16.38 | FUNG-KU | instead of adding additional lines to the sources.list making it more complicated.. |
| 03:16.57 | FUNG-KU | difficult to read, debug, etc.. |
| 03:17.02 | missmbob | FUNG-KU: what's the difference? you still have to change something. just like in ubuntu. |
| 03:18.18 | FUNG-KU | missmbob: especially , i have to look for additional URLs, that might me deleted from mirrors... |
| 03:18.39 | missmbob | one line man. i give up. |
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| 03:19.41 | rgwu | FUNG-KU: why are you wasting time quibbling over package mgmt software design decisions? Edit the file and move on with life. |
| 03:20.12 | FUNG-KU | LOL... HAHAHA... , you make me laugh... |
| 03:21.26 | missmbob | if you cant figure out one line or are unwilling to *read* in order to learn...debian inst for you. that simple. |
| 03:21.26 | FUNG-KU | maybe you are right..., but that is how i am... |
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| 03:22.40 | FUNG-KU | by-the-way Linux is part of my unhappy live... |
| 03:23.06 | missmbob | then get a psychiatrist. we cant help you there. |
| 03:23.21 | FUNG-KU | may i have a beer instead ? |
| 03:23.27 | rgwu | FUNG-KU: You may have Windows. |
| 03:23.45 | sm00th | FUNG-KU, you should try qubes |
| 03:23.55 | sm00th | qubes > windows |
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| 03:29.04 | FUNG-KU | rgwu, there is one machine on my desk, and the machine carries WindowsXP, with Firefox 46, it works quite well.. |
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| 03:29.29 | rgwu | FUNG-KU: for web browsing perhaps. |
| 03:29.33 | FUNG-KU | i use it to play AA3 , and CoH |
| 03:29.43 | FUNG-KU | and little browsing.. |
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| 03:31.06 | elliot007 | FUNG-KU: You can try chromium os on it |
| 03:31.12 | rgwu | FUNG-KU: XP has no sources.list. Problem solved. |
| 03:31.37 | FUNG-KU | LOL... , elliot007: No thank you ... |
| 03:32.28 | FUNG-KU | thinks "How can one reject what he does not know ? " |
| 03:32.57 | missmbob | anti-vax people do it all the time |
| 03:33.10 | rgwu | FUNG-KU: By using ellipsis of course. |
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| 03:41.08 | Gajim | o/ |
| 03:41.59 | Wally | \o |
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| 03:47.59 | FUNG-KU | missmbob: So if anti-vax ppl refuse Vaccine, i might refuse to change to release number 7 ? |
| 03:48.33 | missmbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.10 | awal1 | How I can get firefox able to reload all the open tabs with X keyboard shortcut |
| 03:49.12 | awal1 | ? |
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| 03:51.01 | missmbob | awal1: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/reloadall/ |
| 03:51.15 | missmbob | awal1: if you're willing to use mouse Right-click on any open tab and choose "Reload all tabs" |
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| 03:52.26 | FUNG-KU | awal1: alternative , you could close Firefox using Alt+F4, and reopen, and choose "Restore Previous Session". |
| 03:52.50 | FUNG-KU | from History-Menu entry |
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| 03:54.46 | awal1 | missbob, ok, thanks, but I have seen that addon yet. was locking to how do that without extra/third party stuff |
| 03:55.08 | awal1 | Ctrl+r reloads 1a specific tab but all I dont know how |
| 03:55.50 | FUNG-KU | awal1: did you try Shift+Strg+R ? just a guess... |
| 03:55.55 | awal1 | well, right mouse click and "reload all tabs" is featured, but would be nice if possible via keyboard only |
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| 03:57.44 | awal1 | FUNG-KU, i tried all possible key combination bt no result |
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| 03:58.21 | awal1 | FUNG-KU, close firefox and restart session, hehehe |
| 03:58.36 | awal1 | thats the most smart suggestion I have seen :D |
| 03:59.11 | missmbob | how is that faster/smarter than right-click? |
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| 03:59.49 | Lionyx | is there any how to have the python3-sympy package with Jessie? |
| 04:00.01 | awal1 | well, If i'm using almost all the time just keyboard and then have to use keyboard just bcoz of that anoys me a bit |
| 04:00.21 | awal1 | hav to use mouse just... ^ |
| 04:00.49 | missmbob | ,checkbackport python3-sympy |
| 04:00.50 | judd | Backporting package python3-sympy in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 04:00.52 | missmbob | Lionyx: that's how |
| 04:00.58 | missmbob | !tell Lionyx about ssb |
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| 04:02.48 | Lionyx | Ok... sooooo... noobie question, How do I do that? adding backport repo to the apt-cache repo list? |
| 04:02.56 | awal1 | FUNG-KU, btw, strg is a german specific key, right? |
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| 04:03.10 | missmbob | Lionyx: no. it's not in backports. you read what i told dpkg to msg you |
| 04:03.32 | FUNG-KU | yes, simlar to crtl.. |
| 04:03.43 | FUNG-KU | or same..., idk.. |
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| 04:03.58 | FUNG-KU | ctrl.. |
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| 04:05.45 | FUNG-KU | Strg i usually thought its meaning was string, until somebody told me that it it a short form of "Steuerung" |
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| 04:07.22 | Lionyx | !tell Lionyx about ssb |
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| 04:09.46 | Lionyx | tks i'm using ERC, not used to it, msg was in another buffer |
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| 04:13.48 | FUNG-KU | S T eu R un G, just without vowels... |
| 04:13.59 | FUNG-KU | 4 letters... |
| 04:14.22 | stardancer | j |
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| 04:20.04 | Lionyx | is this URL wrong? deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian sid-backports main |
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| 04:20.56 | FUNG-KU | missmbob: rgwu : .. |
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| 04:28.50 | Fahrradkette | Hey guys. I'm not sure if this is the right channel but I'm looking for a gui pdf reader which supports akroforms (embedded forms) i.e. filling them and submitting |
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| 04:29.03 | namoamitabuddha | Hello, all! |
| 04:29.34 | namoamitabuddha | How can I pose a Debian Live Image on a USB stick? |
| 04:30.10 | Fahrradkette | pose? |
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| 04:30.58 | stardancer | i think person means copy |
| 04:31.05 | stardancer | ? |
| 04:31.09 | stardancer | boot from? |
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| 04:32.36 | Fahrradkette | maybe he means "put" |
| 04:33.06 | namoamitabuddha | to be bootable |
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| 04:33.44 | namoamitabuddha | I want to set up a bootable live USB |
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| 04:35.46 | Fahrradkette | I assume you're on windows |
| 04:35.49 | Fahrradkette | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/debian-live-flash-drive-install-from-windows/ |
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| 04:35.51 | namoamitabuddha | No |
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| 04:35.56 | nashtz | hello |
| 04:36.40 | namoamitabuddha | Now I already had systemrescuecd on this USB stick. |
| 04:36.55 | namoamitabuddha | I want to add a Debian Live. |
| 04:37.47 | namoamitabuddha | That win32diskimager is, I guess, basically dd. |
| 04:37.53 | Fahrradkette | yes |
| 04:38.03 | Fahrradkette | so you're having a mbr |
| 04:38.15 | Fahrradkette | and your bios boots into it? |
| 04:38.29 | namoamitabuddha | I don't know how it works. Maybe both MBR and EFI |
| 04:38.29 | Fahrradkette | into the systemrescue |
| 04:38.34 | namoamitabuddha | Yes, it boots |
| 04:38.40 | namoamitabuddha | grubefi, maybe |
| 04:39.03 | Fahrradkette | so you're already on grub, right? |
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| 04:39.37 | namoamitabuddha | Yes. |
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| 04:41.44 | namoamitabuddha | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-flexible |
| 04:42.14 | namoamitabuddha | I remember I used this to make a debian-installer on the USB stick. |
| 04:42.22 | namoamitabuddha | I don't know whether this works for live images. |
| 04:42.59 | namoamitabuddha | and I don't know whether it's necessary to download hd-media now. |
| 04:43.00 | nashtz | helo |
| 04:43.03 | nashtz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:44.56 | namoamitabuddha | It seems to me that I need to go to oftc. |
| 04:46.03 | Fahrradkette | I thought you can use the live images like the installer images |
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| 04:47.40 | namoamitabuddha | And I think that manuscript isn't clear. It doesn't tell me which vmlinuz & initrd.gz should I get. |
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| 04:47.56 | namoamitabuddha | I should get |
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| 04:50.08 | Fahrradkette | I guess the ones from the live distro |
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| 04:53.34 | namoamitabuddha | It didn't work when I tried for debian-installer (wheezy), but it was many years ago. |
| 04:54.06 | namoamitabuddha | Eventually they told me to download hd-media |
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| 04:59.09 | nashtz | anyone ever utilize parrot security os? |
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| 04:59.53 | Fahrradkette | wasn't hd-media for installing from the same device? |
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| 05:00.40 | namoamitabuddha | the same as what? |
| 05:00.55 | namoamitabuddha | hd-media is additionally downloaded, not from the iso file. |
| 05:01.06 | namoamitabuddha | s/is/was |
| 05:01.33 | Fahrradkette | after you booted into the live system? |
| 05:01.43 | Fahrradkette | I'm kinda confused :) |
| 05:02.07 | namoamitabuddha | No |
| 05:02.18 | namoamitabuddha | First this was not the live system, but the debian-installer |
| 05:02.25 | namoamitabuddha | and what I meant is that |
| 05:02.49 | namoamitabuddha | I needed download hd-media image and extract vmlinuz & initrd |
| 05:02.59 | namoamitabuddha | then set it into the grub.cfg or syslinux.cfg |
| 05:03.28 | Fahrradkette | ah, now I get it |
| 05:03.29 | namoamitabuddha | OK, I now realize that |
| 05:03.47 | namoamitabuddha | It is a priori impossible to take advantage of hd-media to boot live image. |
| 05:04.10 | namoamitabuddha | this is how hd-media image works: it succeeded to search *.iso file from the usb stick |
| 05:04.41 | namoamitabuddha | if I extracted vmlinuz & initrd from iso image, it would fail to search *.iso. |
| 05:05.07 | namoamitabuddha | but anyway this is a debian-installer program, not used to boot a live system. |
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| 05:06.59 | Fahrradkette | yes, you're right |
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| 05:13.21 | Fahrradkette | guess you don't have to do much: get the live iso, convert it to .img, dd it to the pendrive (and mby add another partiton for user data) |
| 05:14.18 | namoamitabuddha | In that case, well |
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| 05:14.34 | namoamitabuddha | I cannot make debian live and systemrescuecd coexist |
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| 05:15.32 | namoamitabuddha | and now it seems to me that converting into .img isn't necessary. those are isohybrid |
| 05:15.57 | Fahrradkette | yeah, you might be right on this |
| 05:16.42 | Fahrradkette | May I ask why you want the live and systemrescue on the same usb drive? |
| 05:17.23 | namoamitabuddha | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 05:17.36 | namoamitabuddha | That explains |
| 05:17.51 | namoamitabuddha | The same USB drive for "rescuing" |
| 05:18.23 | namoamitabuddha | because I find systemrescuecd deficient |
| 05:18.36 | namoamitabuddha | for some usage |
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| 05:23.57 | Fahrradkette | in that case you got to mess with grub I guess :( |
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| 05:31.37 | grantwu | How do I mount a GPT partition on Jessie? |
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| 05:54.02 | dionysus69 | is it too bad idea if i use same home partition for jessie and sid |
| 05:54.05 | dionysus69 | ? |
| 05:55.15 | qmr | most likely fine. as always back up your dat |
| 05:55.17 | qmr | data |
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| 06:10.19 | quinnw | You can monitor sid updates to try to see if config files become incompatible according to the changelogs |
| 06:10.32 | quinnw | Some developers mention those kind of things |
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| 06:17.39 | monsterdemon | :(){ :|: & };: what does this command do? I keep seeing it online as a solution to several unrelated problems posted on internet forums. |
| 06:18.13 | Wally | Isn't that just a bunch of ascii emotes? |
| 06:19.08 | monsterdemon | online forums say to execute it in bash |
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| 06:20.37 | Stummi | monsterdemon, its a fork bomb. Putting it into your shell will most likely crash your computer |
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| 06:21.00 | monsterdemon | oh nice |
| 06:21.12 | monsterdemon | so its trolls then, in all the threads I saw |
| 06:21.35 | Stummi | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/059 |
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| 06:22.26 | monsterdemon | sorry for delay |
| 06:22.44 | monsterdemon | hard 2 irc and drive @ same time |
| 06:23.45 | monsterdemon | ok i am not driving anymore now i can look at the link |
| 06:24.03 | monsterdemon | LOL who wrote such a command into the linux distros? |
| 06:24.20 | monsterdemon | is it some sort of malicious easter-egg, a backdoor or something? |
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| 06:25.12 | Stummi | its all explained there |
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| 06:25.20 | sypher | monsterdemon: It's actually a properly-formed script. |
| 06:25.49 | Stummi | sypher, actually its not ;) read the last chapter of the linked article |
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| 06:28.15 | han-solo | Stummi: actually, i guess it's a properly formed script :) |
| 06:28.20 | han-solo | may i? |
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| 06:28.54 | sypher | Stummi: Semantics. bash in default configuration treats it as a properly-formed script, and hence the problem. |
| 06:29.16 | han-solo | and it doesn't have to be ':' |
| 06:29.36 | sypher | Stummi: So, with regard to the functionality taken advantage of to make said fork bomb function, yes, it is properly-formed. |
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| 06:29.44 | han-solo | it can be simple as 'bomb() { bomb | bomb } bomb;, right? |
| 06:30.08 | sypher | han-solo: Missed your & |
| 06:30.10 | han-solo | i forgot the & |
| 06:30.11 | han-solo | yeah |
| 06:30.14 | han-solo | :) |
| 06:30.34 | monsterdemon | ah the pipe character is something it has in common with the windows bomb |
| 06:30.55 | monsterdemon | but the windows bomb has to be in a batch file, not typed directly at a command line |
| 06:31.03 | monsterdemon | its %0|%0 |
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| 06:32.23 | han-solo | yeah, enough with that. Some newuser taking a quick peek might try it :) |
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| 06:50.03 | jvava | tftp: client does not accept options, where i go through pxe boot, according this page, https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
| 06:50.20 | jvava | give me clue please |
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| 06:50.49 | anikras | hello |
| 06:51.07 | anikras | i have a files named: ".functions" |
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| 06:51.40 | anikras | the file .functions have a different methods |
| 06:51.53 | anikras | I have a problem with one of this methods |
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| 06:52.33 | jvava | i have a problem with tftpd |
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| 06:53.58 | anikras | the small function |
| 06:54.06 | anikras | http://pastebin.com/xrzxQSeK |
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| 06:58.08 | dionysus69 | ok thanks qmr quinnw |
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| 07:01.19 | derito | anikras: what is the problem exactly ? Does using the command in the function directly work ? |
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| 07:02.29 | anikras | becaouse i want a function |
| 07:02.41 | anikras | because I need this function |
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| 07:08.08 | babilen | anikras: Try #bash |
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| 07:13.41 | derito | I'm trying to get snmptrap to work. For those that may remember last time's question: I started over on a clean install and the snmptrapd issue is resolved. Now traps aren't recognized by snmptt even though I set a filter with OID .* which afaik should match everything. And yet the trap end up in snmpttunknown.log. Any idea on what could cause this ? |
| 07:14.02 | derito | paste with command used, trap filter and log entry : https://paste.debian.net/786498/ |
| 07:14.54 | derito | Oh. And everything was installed from debian's repo |
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| 07:50.30 | MartyH | hi people. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask. Scala is a programming language that has a package in Debian. SBT is a build tool for Scala and Java built in Scala that for various reasons has no package in Debian. The Scala compiler and standard library are considering moving to SBT as its only build tool. If this happens, will it still be possible to make new Scala packages? |
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| 07:53.27 | babilen | MartyH: #debian-java might know something about this (on irc.debian.org / irc.oftc.net) |
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| 07:54.40 | MartyH | hrm, the webchat client forwards me to the empty ##debian-java |
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| 07:57.17 | Wally | Any reason why the newer 4.6 kernel won't show up in apt-get on a fresh debian install on my Mac Mini |
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| 07:58.46 | Wally | .. or is it part of back-ports? |
| 07:58.53 | towo^work | it is |
| 07:59.00 | Wally | gotcha. |
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| 07:59.48 | babilen | MartyH: The channel is not on this network (Freenode), but on OFTC (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 08:00.06 | MartyH | thanks babilen |
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| 08:02.54 | babilen | MartyH: It's not the busiest time of day though (morning in Europe, night in the Americas ...) |
| 08:03.34 | MartyH | there is no rush; Scala isn't moving to SBT overnight without considering if people still depend on the old build |
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| 08:10.31 | hR13 | Hi all debians, since you are the most knowlage ppl I know, I was woundering if any of you can help me with a routing problem I have? |
| 08:10.40 | hR13 | site A (192.168.1.0/24) openvpn client, site B (192.168.3.0/24) openvpn server. the workstations on site B needs to access the LAN on site A and I'm not really sure how to set up the routing. site B has a FW/GW OpenWRT and site A is the openvpn client a openwrt router (only one LAN eth port is used on this 192.168.1.25 fixed ip) behind a netgear FW. any help will be much appreciated |
| 08:11.43 | babilen | â ##networking might also not be a bad place |
| 08:11.55 | hR13 | thanks babilen |
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| 08:13.14 | bezaban | ##openvpn are also used to dealing with this. Also it will be a question of you need routed access or need to sit on the broadcast domain (bridged mode) |
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| 08:36.14 | monsterdemon | debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian |
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| 08:37.30 | Fahrradkette | does anybody know a pdf viewer which supports acroforms? |
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| 08:43.06 | mi11k1 | what's the best way to display a website on Raspberry Pi running Jessie? |
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| 08:44.16 | MrOwl | mi11k1: do you mean, what the best thing to serve a website as a headless server, or whats the best browser to use on a rpi running jessie? |
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| 08:45.58 | mi11k1 | no I actually want to show up node js that's running locally Comet that is on an LCD screen |
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| 08:46.17 | monsterdemon | debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian |
| 08:47.09 | MrOwl | mi11k1: so you have nodejs serving a web page on localhost, and just want a browser to display it on an attached LCD |
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| 08:47.21 | mi11k1 | I just got a Raspberry Pi 3 and realized that chromium is not in the Jessie repo |
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| 08:47.55 | mi11k1 | yeah something like chromium Works in Kiosk mode or in the app mode |
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| 08:48.12 | MrOwl | mi11k1: have you tried something like this: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=121195 |
| 08:48.55 | monsterdemon | IIIII HHHHHAAAAATTTTTEEEEE debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian |
| 08:49.27 | mi11k1 | no, I haven't seen that, but I installed it from the Wheezy repository, but I'm wondering if there's a more efficient way than running chromium? |
| 08:50.25 | mi11k1 | Lake node webkit doesn't seem to work either and I don't even really like it much |
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| 08:54.53 | mi11k1 | if I wanted to show static images ons on a screen what would be the best language to use to do that? I only know a little bit of HTML, and I tried using QT but I don't really like because it just seems glitchy and buggy to me |
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| 08:57.00 | mi11k1 | I have this cheap Galaxy tablet running Android and it does this job so well comma but I just really dislike the whole OS, Plus every time I load up Android Studio it wants me to download a million freaking things for stupid dependencies and spits out all the errors that I have no clue what any of it is |
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| 08:58.26 | bazhang | is there a debian question in there mi11k1 |
| 08:58.38 | mi11k1 | Raspberry Pi 3 is running Android actually not too badly, but I just like using Debian, I've been messing with my ex for 2 years now and it is the only OS truly like |
| 08:59.56 | mi11k1 | yeah how do you do this with Debian? what language do I use and what Window Manager do I use? I'm using open box right now. |
| 09:00.52 | bazhang | mi11k1, do what exactly |
| 09:01.01 | mi11k1 | to show HTML with no controls |
| 09:01.15 | mi11k1 | and lightweight |
| 09:01.40 | bazhang | what do you mean 'html with no controls' |
| 09:01.44 | mi11k1 | other than node webkit or chromium |
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| 09:01.58 | derito | maybe look into frogan ? |
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| 09:02.23 | derito | https://www.frogans.org/en/main.html |
| 09:02.24 | mi11k1 | I'll check that right now |
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| 09:02.44 | derito | It's meant to be pretty simple. |
| 09:02.49 | unborn | mi11k1: are you using debian stock image without mods on that pi or you using debian provided by pi website? |
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| 09:04.30 | mi11k1 | well I've got all of them, but I mostly run minibian |
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| 09:06.51 | mi11k1 | and kodi doesn't want to run, Google just isn't giving me that one little hint I need tonight |
| 09:07.28 | bazhang | where is minibian from |
| 09:07.40 | mi11k1 | source forge |
| 09:07.42 | bazhang | is that from debian, or some other place |
| 09:08.24 | mi11k1 | it's a stripped down raspian |
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| 09:08.44 | bazhang | #raspian for support mi11k1 |
| 09:08.53 | mi11k1 | super small image and is really Snappy |
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| 09:09.16 | mi11k1 | Diamond there, but they are all dodo brains |
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| 09:09.33 | mi11k1 | I am * |
| 09:09.34 | bazhang | well it's not supported here |
| 09:09.42 | unborn | mi11k1: but we do really do only debian here.. |
| 09:09.45 | mi11k1 | it's Jessie though |
| 09:09.53 | bazhang | nopers |
| 09:10.22 | mi11k1 | maybe it's not from raspian origin |
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| 09:14.19 | bazhang | contact sourceforge for support then mi11k1 |
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| 09:17.54 | mi11k1 | okay, I don't even know why I mentioned the dumb dumb raspberry comma because I I use Debian as my primary OS, but I've been trying this project on a Jessie vm |
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| 09:18.27 | Y0rick | hi, how can I install a VNC server on my debian system with a windows gui or where I can run windows applications on? |
| 09:19.07 | mi11k1 | x11vnc is a quick flick |
| 09:19.48 | mi11k1 | if you have virtualbox that has it built in and you install Windows Virtual Machine |
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| 09:20.17 | unborn | Y0rick: if you really need run windows applications in native way - just install virtualbox and there install windows |
| 09:20.37 | Y0rick | nah |
| 09:20.39 | mi11k1 | unless you use wine , but vm is way easier |
| 09:20.43 | Y0rick | its more one appliccation |
| 09:21.12 | Y0rick | I've done this earlier with vnc somehow, but dont know how I've done this |
| 09:21.14 | mi11k1 | xpblack vm |
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| 09:21.46 | mi11k1 | just get the package x11vnc |
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| 09:22.33 | Y0rick | I will trry |
| 09:22.34 | Y0rick | thanks |
| 09:22.44 | mi11k1 | and type that in the command line and it will run as a vnc server with no security |
| 09:23.47 | mi11k1 | in the foreground |
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| 09:24.08 | Y0rick | k |
| 09:24.11 | Y0rick | lets try =) |
| 09:25.04 | mi11k1 | I think it will bind to all interfaces too |
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| 09:32.11 | shtrb | Can anyone here please assit in verifying a fingerprint ? can you run echo c| openssl s_client -connect google.com:443 | openssl x509 -sha256 -noout -fingerprint|grep Finger and say to me what is the cert fingerprint ? |
| 09:33.06 | mi11k1 | why? |
| 09:33.11 | shtrb | google.com answering for me from an ip which is located at my ISP |
| 09:33.24 | shtrb | So I think my ISP is fishy |
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| 09:33.38 | mi11k1 | that's their service that compresses data I think |
| 09:33.45 | bezaban | shtrb: not unusual |
| 09:33.56 | shtrb | for me it a first |
| 09:34.01 | shtrb | *it a first |
| 09:34.05 | mi11k1 | it's supposed to help save data that are using mobile devices |
| 09:34.16 | shtrb | how ? |
| 09:34.26 | bezaban | shtrb: yeah, I encountered it recently, I think they cache locally, check records with isp vs other dns lookups |
| 09:34.34 | mi11k1 | I don't know it's this suspicious-looking proxy there and I looked it up if that's what you're talking about |
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| 09:35.23 | shtrb | the same amount of data flow from the UE to the gateway |
| 09:36.35 | mi11k1 | are you using an Android? |
| 09:36.45 | shtrb | bezaban , I allready have cought some network providers doing mitm on customers (I guess for ads) , so when I see stuff like that the first thing I think is some ad attack |
| 09:36.45 | shtrb | no |
| 09:36.46 | shtrb | debian |
| 09:36.54 | shtrb | debian sid |
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| 09:37.14 | mi11k1 | wow how did you originally find it? |
| 09:37.41 | shtrb | the cases in the hotel was because kontact warned me abot different certificate |
| 09:38.19 | mi11k1 | you're on a public Wi-Fi? |
| 09:38.22 | shtrb | no |
| 09:38.31 | shtrb | standard mobile ISP |
| 09:38.40 | rozie | shtrb: learn about google cache |
| 09:38.45 | bezaban | shtrb: https://peering.google.com/#/ |
| 09:38.51 | mi11k1 | and is it an Android |
| 09:39.02 | rozie | if your ISP is big enough, it can have local google nodes which acts as cache |
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| 09:39.15 | mi11k1 | the mobile device that's talking to the internet what is it |
| 09:39.16 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.22 | shtrb | 3G modem |
| 09:39.30 | shtrb | connecting with wvdial |
| 09:39.56 | mi11k1 | well it's got something to do with that |
| 09:40.27 | mi11k1 | what country? |
| 09:40.57 | funkadelic | i did a net install and only installed the standard utilities - then installed my own display manager and desktop environment - i can't seem to get my sound to work. not sure if i need alsa, pulse audio, both or? |
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| 09:43.28 | funkadelic | what is the package name for alsa? alsa-oss or alsa-utils? do i need them both? |
| 09:43.40 | funkadelic | alsa-base |
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| 09:46.41 | funkadelic | i have pulse audio installed |
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| 10:19.24 | funkadelic | i fixed the sound |
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| 10:23.10 | umbaman | funkadelic: One nation under a groove |
| 10:23.15 | umbaman | well done |
| 10:24.38 | funkadelic | ha ha i was feeling super stoopid for a second ;p |
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| 10:26.08 | funkadelic | umbaman, you know that song too? super stoopid? by pfunk |
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| 10:29.51 | plainWhiteTee | I'm trying to identify and disable unnecessary network services on a new Debian install. All of the documentation I read points to /etc/inetd.conf for enabling/disabling services. But my system doesn't have inetd installed by default. Has something replaced it? |
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| 10:31.33 | jelly | plainWhiteTee, not many services run via inetd these days, it's not even present at all in the base system |
| 10:31.43 | plainWhiteTee | I learned how to use systemctl to disable ssh. Is this how it's done now? |
| 10:31.59 | jelly | yes |
| 10:32.25 | plainWhiteTee | jelly cool, thanks! |
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| 10:33.05 | jelly | the simplest thing is probably to uninstall something and install it back when you're actually going to use it |
| 10:33.25 | plainWhiteTee | uninstall using apt? |
| 10:33.43 | babilen | indeed |
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| 10:34.51 | plainWhiteTee | I'm also trying to make sense of the output of the netstat command when I type" netstat -l | grep tcp" |
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| 10:35.32 | plainWhiteTee | I want to make sure there aren't any unnecessary open ports |
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| 10:35.40 | jelly | if you add -p to netstat, and run it as root, you'll gain some additional info |
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| 10:37.56 | plainWhiteTee | ah, ok, the names of the processes associated with the listing. nice |
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| 10:38.34 | wsky | i just beaten ffxv platinum demo |
| 10:38.41 | wsky | it's kinda sad |
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| 10:42.40 | wsky | oops wrong channel |
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| 10:54.25 | edmont | hi |
| 10:54.29 | wsky | hi |
| 10:55.01 | edmont | is there any command to get the network address of an interface (not the host address) |
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| 10:55.42 | Krigsforbryter | ifconfig |
| 10:56.34 | Wally | nice. |
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| 10:58.18 | edmont | but that's the host address |
| 10:58.18 | edmont | ip -4 addr show dev eth0 | grep global | tr -d '[ ]' | awk -F'[t/]' '{ print $2 }' |
| 10:58.18 | edmont | well, Krigsforbryter, I already have this: |
| 10:58.57 | umbaman | guys from |
| 10:59.16 | umbaman | from a debian pc when i want to access a windows network |
| 10:59.22 | umbaman | it asks for username and password |
| 10:59.52 | umbaman | but in windows I just browse the files of some PCs |
| 10:59.58 | umbaman | HOW CAN i OVERCOME THIS? |
| 11:00.04 | umbaman | sorry for the cals |
| 11:00.07 | umbaman | caps |
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| 11:13.56 | unborn | umbaman: enter user name and password correctly and save logon details pernamently debian != windows |
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| 11:43.22 | john_rambo | http://pastebin.com/2wt5XpPm ...............What mistake am I making while adding the Taiwan mirror ? |
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| 11:44.28 | TomTomTosch | john_rambo: it should be "main contrib non-free" |
| 11:45.00 | umbaman | also |
| 11:45.10 | umbaman | I believe you have to add the distro |
| 11:45.18 | umbaman | which is jessie |
| 11:45.42 | umbaman | deb http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian/ contrib jessie non-free |
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| 11:45.48 | umbaman | sorry |
| 11:46.05 | umbaman | deb http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
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| 11:48.13 | john_rambo | Thanks. It worked |
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| 11:53.14 | AlienCat | guys, how do I set the locale for the user? |
| 11:53.39 | shtrb | bashrc ? |
| 11:53.51 | AlienCat | I set LANG in /etc/default/locale but it seem to use a different locale |
| 11:54.16 | shtrb | AlienCat , some script may override that (in case of kde for example) |
| 11:54.40 | AlienCat | oh carp |
| 11:54.59 | AlienCat | anyways I have som issues with hunspell |
| 11:55.06 | shtrb | you also have under profile.d (but low chances) |
| 11:55.16 | AlienCat | no it is kde |
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| 11:55.28 | AlienCat | dunno how to change it in KDE |
| 11:55.37 | luxflow | how can I get full user name in ps aux? |
| 11:55.38 | shtrb | systemsettings , and there just set to default |
| 11:56.05 | luxflow | long user name is cut so I cannot see full name |
| 11:56.37 | shtrb | AlienCat , systemsettings -> regional settings -> Format/ Date & time etc |
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| 11:57.26 | AlienCat | it says aspell is not configured |
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| 11:57.56 | shtrb | also plasma-locale-settings.sh and lasma-localerc |
| 11:57.57 | unborn | heh |
| 11:57.57 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.18 | shtrb | AlienCat, if you need some non standard locale just build a locale and set kde to no change |
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| 11:59.34 | shtrb | or better file a bug in glibc and qt |
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| 12:01.11 | AlienCat | kde settings is broken atm for me |
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| 12:01.27 | shtrb | AlienCat , welcome to the club :D |
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| 12:02.15 | shtrb | as I said best solution for sid for non standard locales is to ignore kde's locale setting and set everything via local (to create a new one ) |
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| 12:03.39 | luxflow | how can I reload umask? /etc/login.defs? |
| 12:06.28 | AlienCat | :/ apt-get dist-upgrade removes half my system |
| 12:06.45 | han-solo | umask 0022? |
| 12:07.01 | shtrb | AlienCat , pinning ? prefernces ? |
| 12:07.11 | shtrb | or you didn't upgrade for a long time ? |
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| 12:08.10 | umbaman | AlienCat: maybe try aptitude |
| 12:08.16 | AlienCat | for example if I do dist-upgrade it puts kde into autoremove |
| 12:08.32 | shtrb | is it from sid to sid ? |
| 12:08.36 | AlienCat | then I run autoremove, kde is gone :I |
| 12:08.37 | shtrb | or something else ? |
| 12:08.42 | shtrb | don't run ! |
| 12:08.47 | AlienCat | I think I am using stretch |
| 12:08.52 | AlienCat | too late |
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| 12:09.05 | shtrb | then no surprise ... |
| 12:09.27 | shtrb | if you didn't hit apt-get clean for a long time , you may be able to restore |
| 12:09.46 | shtrb | but it's going to be a pain in the arse |
| 12:10.10 | AlienCat | nah I just install kde again hope for the best |
| 12:10.24 | AlienCat | I will try apitude next time |
| 12:10.26 | shtrb | no , I take my words back a simple downgrade should work for you if you didn't upgrade yet |
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| 12:11.03 | shtrb | just remeber that pim got a few nice features |
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| 12:11.14 | shtrb | *kontact/kmail |
| 12:11.23 | AlienCat | do not use it anyways |
| 12:11.24 | AlienCat | :P |
| 12:11.43 | shtrb | like if you are not using Wifi or ethernet to connect it will think you are offline |
| 12:11.46 | AlienCat | okay lets see if I can run cups |
| 12:12.17 | AlienCat | what would you else use |
| 12:12.27 | AlienCat | than wifi or eth? |
| 12:12.54 | shtrb | let say you connect to the network over usb (4G) |
| 12:13.23 | shtrb | there is a cool feature , that the Solid will fail to update the system that there is a network availbale |
| 12:13.43 | shtrb | as a workaround you can switch to WiFi or start using network manager / wicd |
| 12:14.42 | AlienCat | does not soud very good |
| 12:14.52 | AlienCat | anyways thanks for the help |
| 12:15.01 | shtrb | but I didn't help :) |
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| 12:16.25 | unborn | sid should be discussed on debian-next? |
| 12:17.13 | unborn | yeah correct chan to discuss sid should be #debian-next |
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| 12:18.47 | AlienCat | okay sorry |
| 12:20.14 | unborn | AlienCat: you dont have to be sorry - its just - here is stable and most of us - even we do sid - this is for stable you know.. end users etc.. but mine reason is any bugs you get out - it would be more helpful talking there so they know about it right a way etc.. |
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| 12:32.34 | luxflow | how can I set umask globally? |
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| 12:33.28 | funkadelic | why is virtualbox not in the repos? |
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| 12:34.01 | funkadelic | has it been replaced by something, should i be using something different? |
| 12:34.22 | TomTomTosch | ,i virtualbox |
| 12:34.23 | zyley | what! .. i need to check this (virtualbox) |
| 12:34.23 | judd | Package virtualbox (contrib/misc, optional) in jessie/amd64: x86 virtualization solution - base binaries. Version: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; Size: 13149.8k; Installed: 56553k; Homepage: http://www.virtualbox.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/virtualbox |
| 12:34.37 | TomTomTosch | funkadelic: ^ you have to enable contrib |
| 12:35.12 | funkadelic | TomTomTosch, how do i enable contrib? |
| 12:35.16 | indistylo | Can someone guide how to do NTP package upgrade using Puppet to update across 200 servers, I am using puppet2.7.23 on Wheezy machines? |
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| 12:35.48 | TomTomTosch | !tell funkadelic about contrib |
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| 12:37.08 | zyley | virtualbox is fine ... though is 4.3 series.. so nothing special |
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| 12:37.52 | funkadelic | TomTomTosch, i see, thank you :) |
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| 12:37.54 | TomTomTosch | jessie-backports has 5.0 |
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| 12:43.15 | funkadelic | TomTomTosch, after updating my sources.list file and running apt-get update i get this error - i already have the non free repository in my sources.list file is the contrib nonfree in my sources.list file https://paste.debian.net/786552/ |
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| 12:44.30 | shtrb | funkadelic , same line twice ? or twice the same element (like main main ) |
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| 12:46.23 | funkadelic | shtrb, this is what i have in my sources.list file https://paste.debian.net/786553/ |
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| 12:46.54 | funkadelic | i see i can take that last line out cant i? |
| 12:47.28 | dvs | funkadelic, line 8 is a subset of line 6 |
| 12:47.28 | shtrb | line 6 and 8 |
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| 12:47.47 | shtrb | drop line 8 |
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| 12:49.15 | shtrb | yes , you can remove line 8 |
| 12:49.24 | funkadelic | that fixed it :) |
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| 13:21.36 | funkadelic | is unetbootin in backports? |
| 13:22.33 | themill | hopefully not |
| 13:22.37 | funkadelic | errrr or is my understanding of backports wrong, im already at the latest version - backports is used for getting software from a newer distro? |
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| 13:23.35 | funkadelic | what would happen if i tried to install this on jessie? https://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/unetbootin/download |
| 13:24.26 | towo^work | maybe it would not install |
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| 13:24.38 | themill | funkadelic: btw what are you trying to achieve? |
| 13:26.08 | funkadelic | im trying to get this netbook to boot from this live cd. i used dd to put it on the flash drive. some guys in hardware said i should try to format the drive to a fat32 file system, make the drive bootable and install the image using unetbootin. all i want to do is chroot into this netbook so that i can change the root password |
| 13:26.41 | funkadelic | im not even exactly sure of the cpu architecture though- i was pretty sure its 32 bit, i have the 32 bit debian live cd but i can't get it to boot. its a dell inspiron min 1012 |
| 13:26.55 | funkadelic | mini* |
| 13:26.58 | Akuw | xen-hypervisor is to virtualize? |
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| 13:27.38 | towo^work | funkadelic, if there is a linux installed allready, why not boot with init=/bin/bash? |
| 13:28.03 | funkadelic | towo^work, i'll try that, will it give me root? |
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| 13:28.12 | towo^work | funkadelic, yes |
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| 13:28.46 | themill | funkadelic: unetbootin isn't the solution to any problem like that -- it's more likely to screw up the image than anything else |
| 13:29.07 | umbaman | why not try to boot in recovery mode |
| 13:29.26 | umbaman | you might get lucky |
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| 13:31.26 | funkadelic | towo^work, it didn't work, perhaps i am not doing it right. i pressed e for edit then added that to a new line, do i need to be replacing one of the lines rather than adding it to a new line? |
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| 13:31.52 | towo^work | you need to replace the existing entry for init |
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| 13:32.56 | funkadelic | kernel panic :D |
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| 13:33.13 | funkadelic | i think im doing it wrong hold on ill tell you what the line says |
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| 13:34.34 | funkadelic | initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0.4-686-pae i replaced the whole line with init=/bin/bash |
| 13:35.18 | greycat | dpkg, I forgot root's password |
| 13:35.18 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 13:35.25 | greycat | funkadelic: ^^ |
| 13:37.47 | funkadelic | that didnt work but i actually just guessed the password heh. its my friends computer, trying to fix it for him - im going to have to have a talk with him about not making his passwords so easy to guess ;p |
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| 13:46.45 | funkadelic | it gparted says i can't create more than 4 primary partitions that i should create an extended partition first but its not giving me the option to create an extended partition i have /dev/sda1 primary, /dev/sda2/ primary, /dev/sda3 primary, /dev/sda4 logical(extended partition) /dev/sda5(looks like its a primary partition, its also the root partition) then i have 300 gb free space |
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| 13:47.33 | greycat | Your fourth primary is the CONTAINER that your "extended" partitions are in. |
| 13:48.01 | funkadelic | greycat, when i go to the 4th partition, it wont let me add any more to it. how do i tell it to let me do it? |
| 13:48.10 | greycat | Just create more extended partitions. |
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| 13:48.34 | greycat | Or logical or whatever the hell they're called. |
| 13:49.09 | funkadelic | greycat, what can i use for an image bin? create new partition is completely greyed out |
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| 13:50.21 | dvs | you can't create an extended partition because you used up all your primary partitions |
| 13:50.30 | greycat | But he already did...? |
| 13:50.39 | greycat | So he can make more thingies inside it. |
| 13:50.50 | dvs | yes, he used up all his primary partitions already |
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| 13:51.11 | funkadelic | dvs, if i boot from a live cd can i change the root partition to a logical partition? |
| 13:51.20 | funkadelic | without breaking the os |
| 13:51.31 | dvs | no, you'll have to destroy the partition |
| 13:52.07 | funkadelic | hmmmm i suppose i could just resize my home directory i guess- im getting a new computer soon anyways. |
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| 13:52.36 | dvs | resizing already existing partitions won't help for you to make a new partition |
| 13:52.44 | funkadelic | i wanted everything to be seperate . i wasn;t paying attention when i created sda5 |
| 13:52.53 | Lionyx | hello guys, a little patience with me today... trying erc on emacs, a little bit lost :) |
| 13:52.56 | funkadelic | you're right it wont, but itll give me my file space |
| 13:53.10 | funkadelic | i was going to use it for encrypted file space |
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| 13:53.23 | funkadelic | but ill just wait |
| 13:53.39 | Lionyx | So I was trying to get the python3-sympy package ,that's avaiable for sid. how do I set apt to get it? what's the repo URL I should add to my sources.list? |
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| 13:53.53 | greycat | ,v python3-sympy |
| 13:53.54 | judd | Package: python3-sympy on amd64 -- sid: 1.0-1; stretch: 1.0-1 |
| 13:54.02 | greycat | ,checkbackport python3-sympy |
| 13:54.03 | judd | Backporting package python3-sympy in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 13:54.07 | funkadelic | i should have been paying more attention .. |
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| 13:54.11 | Krigsforbryter | Hello, i have a raid on 20tb, i want to take backup of it with cold storage (8tb disks). Then i need a software to have controll of wath is on wath is on each disk. And when i want to update my backup so it know wath to update |
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| 13:54.19 | greycat | Lionyx: you should BUILD a "simple sid backport" of it. |
| 13:54.24 | greycat | Lionyx: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:54.27 | funkadelic | brb |
| 13:54.44 | stardancer | what is a wath |
| 13:54.51 | stardancer | or is wath = what? |
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| 13:57.19 | nikitasius | hi folks.. under debian8.3 with xfce i've added in file `/etc/profile` lines `JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/java` and `export PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin`. So each time when i connect via console (with startx) i see output of `java -version`. But if i login into system by default (standart xfce form) and i type in console `java -version`, i see `bash: java: command not found`. Where i should add info about this folder? |
| 13:57.41 | greycat | I think you forgot to export JAVA_HOME |
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| 13:58.02 | greycat | And yeah, GUI logins do not read /etc/profile. Welcome to GUI login hell. |
| 13:58.32 | nikitasius | greycat: even i my home/.profile - no effect |
| 13:58.39 | greycat | Welcome to GUI login hell part II. |
| 13:58.44 | nikitasius | greycat: add export in which file? |
| 13:59.06 | greycat | Won't matter, since that's not what you're actually asking about. I just thought it was weird that you set it but didn't export it. |
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| 14:00.05 | greycat | Figure out which Display Manager (dm) you're using. Then figure out how to configure environment variables for user logins within that dm. |
| 14:00.22 | greycat | It may also depend on the session type. Or something. God only knows. There is no documentation. |
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| 14:00.43 | nikitasius | greycat: i'll google it, thanks! |
| 14:00.49 | donoban | hi, is write cache disabled on Debian by default or maybe is disabled because I'm using raid10? If I'm using a UPS, enabling it should be safe? |
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| 14:01.30 | rozie | donoban: what write cache? |
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| 14:03.12 | greycat | donoban: what actual *problem* are you trying to solve? |
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| 14:12.24 | donoban | hard disk write cache |
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| 14:12.57 | donoban | hdparm -W[0|1] .... |
| 14:13.09 | donoban | I think that I will have better performance with it enabled |
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| 14:19.56 | donoban | greycat: rozie? |
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| 14:32.11 | funkadelic | looks like im going to have to reinstall - how do i verify this cd image again, im trying to get the keys so i can verify the signatures. i thought it was gpg --recv-keys 0x6294BE9B (the fingerprint) |
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| 14:33.34 | funkadelic | then once i have the keys is gpg --verify SHA512.sign then gpg --verify SHA512.sign SHA512 then how do i verify the ISO? |
| 14:33.57 | donoban | do, sha512sum of your downloaded iso |
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| 14:34.11 | dvs | funkadelic, by checking the SHA256 file from the directory where you got the ISO from |
| 14:34.14 | donoban | and look the output on the SHA512 file |
| 14:34.15 | funkadelic | i generate a hash using openssl and compare it to the hash int he text file right? |
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| 14:34.41 | nikitasius | greycat: so. i just added export in `/etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc` and i see `java -version` output now. Debian 8.3/xfce4/lightdm |
| 14:34.44 | funkadelic | first i need the keys though - how do i receive the keys? |
| 14:35.10 | funkadelic | 6294BE9B is the fingerprint im trying to receive the keys for |
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| 14:35.53 | greycat | funkadelic: gpg --recv-keys 6294BE9B --keyserver something |
| 14:36.13 | funkadelic | wheres the keyserver located? |
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| 14:36.56 | donoban | you should have a default --keysever |
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| 14:37.05 | donoban | does it works with only --recv-keys? |
| 14:37.14 | themill | well... don't use short keys like that either |
| 14:37.15 | greycat | read the man page to find some examples |
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| 14:37.36 | themill | funkadelic: is this on a debian machine? |
| 14:37.37 | funkadelic | donoban, it tells me that there is no known key server to use the --keyserver option and specify a server |
| 14:37.50 | donoban | ah |
| 14:37.57 | funkadelic | themill, yah its a fresh install. my friend taught me how to verify the keys over the phone |
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| 14:38.02 | themill | funkadelic: --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg |
| 14:38.04 | funkadelic | but i don't remember the first part we did |
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| 14:38.26 | donoban | try something like: pgp.mit.edu, pool.sks-keyservers.net, keys.gnupg.net |
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| 14:39.21 | funkadelic | donoban, it worked |
| 14:40.21 | themill | no really, don't use short key Ids. It defeats the purpose |
| 14:40.58 | funkadelic | themill, so use the entire id next time? |
| 14:41.12 | donoban | ok, now get the checksum with sha512sum <file.iso> |
| 14:41.28 | funkadelic | 011386fc26bd926e6e5c771a95490488d0603bbef5da3a5df7afaf62be3e17928c6d1bd728fd3ed18720ede4aec6798c7f718f5cab78aba6b57c9c8204f32546 is the hash i got |
| 14:41.42 | themill | funkadelic: it's already on your hard disk as I pointed out (and yes, use long key ids) |
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| 14:42.50 | funkadelic | it matches my SHA512 text file... my friend said its best to verify through multiple sources |
| 14:42.54 | funkadelic | do you guys get the same hash? |
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| 14:43.12 | themill | if you don't trust gpg, don't trust random people on irc |
| 14:43.21 | funkadelic | true |
| 14:44.44 | dvs | muhahahaha |
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| 14:46.07 | dvs | funkadelic, we dont even know what ISO you have. But like I said before, get the SHA256SUM file from the directory you downloaded the ISO from. |
| 14:47.08 | funkadelic | dvs, i grabbed this image http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso and i grabbed this SHA512 signatures http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 14:48.17 | dvs | funkadelic, so you got the SHA512SUM and SHA512SUM.sign files? |
| 14:48.52 | funkadelic | dvs, indeed- first i verified the .sign file then i verified the other file with the other file |
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| 14:49.22 | funkadelic | the other file with the sign file* |
| 14:49.24 | donoban | funkadelic: if you get the gpg key from a different source than the signed file and the iso |
| 14:49.41 | donoban | is nearly impossible it's modified |
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| 14:50.06 | donoban | did you compare the hash with the sha512 file? |
| 14:50.08 | dvs | funkadelic, so the SHA512SUM hash for debian-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso is in the SHA512SUM file. No need to ask anyone else about their hash. |
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| 14:50.48 | funkadelic | i got the keys from this keyserver donoban pool.sks-keyservers.net and yes. i ran openssl SHA512 /path/to/iso then compared the hash to the hash in the SHA512SUM file |
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| 14:53.35 | donoban | and did it match? |
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| 14:57.44 | funkadelic | donoban, indeed |
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| 15:00.18 | Neomex | should i dl i386 for 64x or amd64? |
| 15:00.50 | greycat | amd64 is the "regular 64-bit PC" architecture. |
| 15:01.05 | Neomex | ok, cheers |
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| 15:01.08 | greycat | i386 is "regular 32-bit PC" |
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| 15:02.06 | Neomex | whats the difference between dvd and cd? does dvd just have more apps that will install? |
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| 15:02.49 | `Kevin | i blame windows for such terminology |
| 15:02.58 | plasmoduck | Neomex: yes |
| 15:03.24 | greycat | A DVD image is larger, so it has a higher number of outdated useless packges on it than a CD image does. |
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| 15:03.37 | nek-knop | lol |
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| 15:08.29 | Akuw | what about jobs in usa? for debian sysadmin |
| 15:08.50 | Akuw | somebody told me that no many jobs |
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| 15:12.14 | `Kevin | Akuw: i wouldnt say debian specific but i do not see why there wouldnt be linux jobs in general? |
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| 15:14.11 | sypher | Debian isn't commonly used in the enterprise, but there are tons of Linux jobs in the US. Also, not really on-topic. |
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| 15:45.39 | ntz | hello |
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| 15:46.17 | ntz | sorry for stupid Q:, I don't have debian right here right now to test it, but will dpkg -L accept argument like this: `apache\* http\*' ??? |
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| 15:46.35 | greycat | yes |
| 15:46.41 | ntz | cool, thanks :) |
| 15:46.47 | greycat | Or at least, dpkg -l will. |
| 15:46.56 | ntz | I need -L -- listfiles |
| 15:47.03 | ntz | iirc, it's uppercase -L |
| 15:47.28 | greycat | You want to specify a WHOLE BUNCH of packages to --listfiles with a glob? |
| 15:47.36 | ntz | yes, exactly |
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| 15:47.52 | ntz | something like rpm -qal foo\* |
| 15:47.55 | greycat | No, that will not work. It doesn't even make sense. How would you know where each package's list ends? |
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| 15:48.12 | ntz | eg ``list all files within packages that match to foo.* |
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| 15:48.30 | greycat | You really want all the lists mashed together into one gigantic list at random? |
| 15:49.00 | ntz | in real, I want exactly this but in dpkg world: rpm -qal http\* apache\* |
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| 15:49.29 | greycat | Forgive me for NOT KNOWING what that does in Red Hat. |
| 15:49.38 | ntz | greycat: answering email, sorry, I don't have right here right now a debian to test it |
| 15:49.43 | greycat | Maybe if you tell us what it does instead of just assuming that we know.... |
| 15:50.04 | sypher | ntz: It might be better for you to wait until you DO have your own system handy rather than expecting us to fill in the blanks for you. |
| 15:50.07 | ntz | it lists all files in packages that match to given pseudo-RE expression |
| 15:50.22 | greycat | Mashed together with no delimiter? |
| 15:50.37 | ntz | because real RE would be 'http.* apache.*' |
| 15:50.49 | ntz | greycat: exactly |
| 15:51.32 | greycat | Not seeing why that is desirable. Also not seeing a simple way to expand a glob into a list of installed packages so that you could shell-loop it. I guess you would have to parse out of dpkg --get-selections or something. |
| 15:51.46 | ntz | ok, thx |
| 15:51.49 | greycat | Because parsing dpkg -l is not happening. |
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| 15:51.58 | ntz | is thinking where he can get a deb to test it now |
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| 15:52.49 | ntz | greycat: remind me please what's the delimiter in dpkg -l ? is it "|" ? |
| 15:52.58 | ntz | I know it's second field |
| 15:53.09 | greycat | Try this? dpkg --get-selections | while read -r pkg _; do case $pkg in http* | apache*) dpkg -L "$pkg";; esac; done |
| 15:53.17 | ntz | fair, thanks !!!!! |
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| 15:53.55 | ntz | greycat: I'll copy and paste it -as it is- to email I'm answering on |
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| 15:54.03 | ntz | will ultimately trust to it |
| 15:54.34 | greycat | I still don't see the appeal of a mashed-together mega-list with no separation. |
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| 15:56.38 | Akuw | i want to install xcp-xapi but is not in the official repo |
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| 15:57.44 | ntz | greycat: sorry, found one deb |
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| 15:58.17 | ntz | greycat: ( dpkg -l | perl -ne 'next if ! m@(http|apache)@; print +( split(q/\s+/) )[1], "\n"' | while read line; do dpkg -L $line; done ) | grep conf |
| 15:58.31 | ntz | this does it |
| 15:58.52 | greycat | That matches http or apache *ANYWHERE IN THE LINE* not just in the package name. |
| 15:59.12 | greycat | And dpkg -l spits out a one-line description of each package. |
| 15:59.17 | ntz | I know, it was just fast typing |
| 15:59.32 | greycat | So it doesn't do what you SAID you wanted. |
| 16:00.24 | ntz | greycat: it serves good right here right now but okay, thanks, I have it now |
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| 16:03.59 | HipsterHacker | #flood |
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| 16:06.55 | FinalX | you hack hipsters by spamming a channel name? |
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| 16:16.45 | ntz | thanks for your input chan !!!!! you're great and please be kind !!!! peace & adieu !!! |
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| 16:41.07 | OtakuSenpai | guys can i install jessie on a .qemu virtual harddisk in my computr and use Limbo to run it |
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| 16:46.41 | eSa| | hi |
| 16:47.07 | jmcnaught | OtakuSenpai: what is Limbo? |
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| 16:47.19 | eSa| | missmbob, where are the notes about upgrading apache? |
| 16:47.29 | OtakuSenpai | Limbo pc emulator |
| 16:47.40 | OtakuSenpai | its a qemu based app |
| 16:47.47 | OtakuSenpai | to run vms |
| 16:47.49 | missmbob | eSa|: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat |
| 16:48.01 | missmbob | eSa|: always read the release notes |
| 16:48.50 | jmcnaught | OtakuSenpai: if Limbo can run other Linux distros, it can probably run Debian 8 too, but you are best to check with the Limbo people |
| 16:48.52 | eSa| | i'm not running amd64. makes a difference? |
| 16:49.13 | jmcnaught | eSa|: then find the release notes for i386 :) |
| 16:49.13 | OtakuSenpai | thts the sad part |
| 16:49.26 | greycat | apache upgrade is probably not arch-specific |
| 16:49.43 | OtakuSenpai | they hav stopped upgrading the app |
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| 16:50.44 | jmcnaught | OtakuSenpai: then don't use Limbo. Install Debian with libvirt on a computer and use that to run VMs |
| 16:51.10 | OtakuSenpai | limbo is for mobiles |
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| 16:51.48 | OtakuSenpai | ðð |
| 16:52.01 | TomTomTosch | i can't imagine a usecase for such a thing. |
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| 16:54.18 | alipoor90 | where is the file containing current time on linux systems? |
| 16:55.13 | greycat | It's not in a file. The system clock is entirely in the kernel, and you run "date" or make system calls to access it. |
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| 16:56.06 | alipoor90 | greycat: Thanks |
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| 17:10.53 | doebi | how do i remove a user? "userdel: command not found" |
| 17:11.19 | jmcnaught | doebi: "man deluser" |
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| 17:13.48 | awal1_ | doebi, as root |
| 17:14.16 | teraflops | deluser is a debian thing (a wrapper), what's wrong with userdel? |
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| 17:15.18 | greycat | He probably wasn't root when he tried to type it. Hence command not found. |
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| 17:16.05 | teraflops | yeah because it's in /usr/sbin |
| 17:17.21 | awal1_ | I usually use wicd, but going to use only interfaces file in another really minimal system; in that case I need network-manager? |
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| 17:17.56 | teraflops | I meant it's fine what jmcnaught said just pointing that the *vanilla* thing is userdel |
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| 17:22.34 | teraflops | I see many issues related to people doing useradd without params (just the user) in non debian systems beacuse they think it's the same as using the adduser debian wrapper. heh ok I shut up |
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| 17:24.15 | jmcnaught | deluser and adduser are meant to be user friendly frontends to userdel and useradd, on Debian the man page for userdel even says that usually admins should use deluser. anyways doebi's problem was probably not being root, or having a bad $PATH |
| 17:24.18 | teraflops | awal1_: nope you don't need NM |
| 17:24.55 | awal1_ | teraflops, right, I just realized that network-manager is a front-end for wpa_supplicant |
| 17:25.09 | teraflops | awal1_: much more than that |
| 17:25.22 | awal1_ | so just wpa_supplicant is needed? |
| 17:26.02 | teraflops | jmcnaught: yeah you're right it was just a digression by myself |
| 17:26.53 | jmcnaught | teraflops: nothing wrong with using the lower level commands, i was more pointing out the existence of the easier ones on Debian |
| 17:26.56 | teraflops | awal1_: you want minimal you can do /e/n/i or give a try to systemd-networkd (in jessie is a bit eww necause systemd 215) |
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| 17:28.06 | awal1_ | teraflops, /e/n/i ? |
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| 17:28.35 | awal1_ | etc network interfaces , ok |
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| 17:28.52 | teraflops | awal1_: if you want real minimal you can just do wpa_supplicant -B -i <interface> -D nl80211 -c <(wpa_passphrase <essid> <passphrase>) && dhclient iface as root, a bit overkill if you ask me |
| 17:28.57 | teraflops | awal1_: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:29.08 | theweirdn8 | Hello. anyone use debian via the virtualbox by oracle? |
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| 17:29.43 | awal1_ | teraflops, will try that also, ok, thanks |
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| 17:31.20 | awal1_ | forgot how to find out which package provides X utility |
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| 17:34.41 | awal1_ | for example pidstat utility is provided by netstat pkg. How to find that pidstat is part of netstat ? |
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| 17:35.47 | greycat | packages.debian.org |
| 17:35.50 | greycat | search for files named ___ |
| 17:36.13 | jmcnaught | awal1_: "apt-file search bin/pidstat" also "/msg judd file pidstat" |
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| 17:38.20 | awal1_ | ok, i'll install apt-file |
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| 17:40.29 | theweirdn8 | debian doesnt use sudo for non-admin users? |
| 17:40.40 | missmbob | theweirdn8: it will if you install it |
| 17:40.44 | jmcnaught | theweirdn8: it can if you want, but doesn't by default |
| 17:41.18 | theweirdn8 | aptitude update and apt-get update arent working in terminal |
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| 17:41.35 | greycat | They require superuser privs. |
| 17:41.52 | theweirdn8 | im the only account |
| 17:41.56 | theweirdn8 | and its admin |
| 17:42.00 | greycat | Use su or sudo or ssh root@localhost or whatever you prefer. |
| 17:42.00 | jmcnaught | theweirdn8: you can become root with "su -l" and then typing the root password |
| 17:42.05 | awal1_ | "which pidstat" does the job :) |
| 17:42.22 | theweirdn8 | is the | the password? |
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| 17:42.28 | theweirdn8 | or i just type su-I |
| 17:42.37 | greycat | awal1_: so you *already had it* and just wanted to know where it *came* from (past tense)? In *that* case you use dpkg -S |
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| 17:43.19 | awal1_ | greycat, no I just found that in a redhat forum |
| 17:43.23 | jmcnaught | theweirdn8: it's a lower case L. you can also use "su -" |
| 17:43.46 | awal1_ | never heard about which :P |
| 17:43.56 | greycat | It's shit. |
| 17:44.00 | teraflops | theweirdn8: 1lI0O ^ |
| 17:44.01 | greycat | Use "type" instead. |
| 17:44.25 | theweirdn8 | ? |
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| 17:45.38 | teraflops | theweirdn8: I thought your fixed-width font was a bit crappy |
| 17:45.52 | theweirdn8 | teraflops: for my game engine ide? |
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| 17:46.06 | awal1_ | greycat, dpkg -S is perfect bcoz it shows the parent pkg. I mean it tells also that pidstat is provided by netstat pkg ( dpkg -S pidstat --» sysstat: /usr/bin/pidstat)Thanks |
| 17:46.07 | greycat | theweirdn8: you mistook an l for | a moment ago. |
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| 17:46.31 | greycat | awal1_: dpkg -S is for things you HAVE. apt-file or judd or p.d.o are for things you WANT but DON'T HAVE. |
| 17:46.51 | awal1_ | greycat, ok, thanks |
| 17:46.56 | greycat | awal1_: "type" is for things you want to FIND OUT if you have (but they need to be in your current PATH) |
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| 17:47.48 | awal1_ | type and which give me same result |
| 17:47.59 | greycat | Now try "type echo". Then try "type -a echo". |
| 17:48.26 | theweirdn8 | apt-get upgrade gives me a dpg/lock permission denied issue |
| 17:48.34 | greycat | Then compare "type alias" to "which alias". |
| 17:48.42 | awal1_ | greycat, right, good to know thatnks :) |
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| 17:49.04 | greycat | theweirdn8: because, again, you are not root (superuser) |
| 17:49.10 | theweirdn8 | i did the su - nathan |
| 17:49.14 | theweirdn8 | typed in my password |
| 17:49.18 | greycat | You su'ed to yourself. |
| 17:49.25 | greycat | Try "su" with no options. |
| 17:49.50 | theweirdn8 | seems sexy |
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| 17:50.05 | theweirdn8 | can i su you greycat? |
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| 17:50.29 | greycat | You can certainly try. |
| 17:50.51 | jmcnaught | theweirdn8: why did you add a username to the su command? |
| 17:50.59 | theweirdn8 | looks at greycat in the eye and then su'ed him |
| 17:51.17 | theweirdn8 | jmcnaught: i misread instructions because im a windows user |
| 17:51.21 | greycat | Probably the same reason he thought l was | was a password. |
| 17:51.33 | theweirdn8 | goes to n00b school |
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| 17:52.06 | theweirdn8 | next up i hope i can get virtualbox to install that guest addon to make the screen width 1080p / 720p or whatever |
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| 17:52.11 | theweirdn8 | then i can begin porting this |
| 17:52.14 | theweirdn8 | create.pawbyte.com |
| 17:52.41 | greycat | IRC. Where people who don't know how to use "su" are fucking with virtualization. |
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| 17:53.11 | theweirdn8 | i want the dark terminal back |
| 17:53.13 | theweirdn8 | why is it white? |
| 17:53.39 | learjet60xr | Q: Why does Peter Pan fly? |
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| 17:53.58 | greycat | Terminal emulators are traditionally black-on-white. Use the -rv option to xterm or rxvt to get "reverse video". |
| 17:54.20 | greycat | Or see the docs for your terminal emulator if it's not xterm or rxvt. |
| 17:54.24 | learjet60xr | A: If someone hit your peter with a pan, you'd fly, too! |
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| 17:54.55 | theweirdn8 | why is it an emulator and not da real thang? |
| 17:55.13 | teraflops | theweirdn8: you're still white belt so you have white terminal |
| 17:55.19 | simonlnu | wow... |
| 17:55.21 | greycat | A real terminal is a physical object. It looks like a small television with a keyboard attached. |
| 17:55.26 | jmcnaught | theweirdn8: this is a "do your own research and then ask questions if you still can't find answers" kind of place |
| 17:55.34 | simonlnu | joins the party |
| 17:56.17 | theweirdn8 | what do you mean by white belt teraflops? |
| 17:56.21 | greycat | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/DEC_VT100_terminal.jpg |
| 17:56.28 | greycat | That is a non-emulated terminal. |
| 17:56.33 | awal1_ | theweirdn8, if under windows you will have to install the guest additions stuff for virtualbox website; if in debian yet install virtualbox-guest-additions-iso |
| 17:56.36 | teraflops | it was a definitely bad joke about martial arts |
| 17:56.49 | awal1_ | from virtualbox website ^ |
| 17:56.50 | simonlnu | the real deal |
| 17:57.11 | theweirdn8 | its been setting up exim4 for quite some time... |
| 17:57.16 | simonlnu | the ones i played on were sun terminals. that's in 1992 |
| 17:57.43 | theweirdn8 | throws a hammer at teraflops |
| 17:57.57 | greycat | Place I worked right after college (1993-94) had a bunch of different terminals. Mostly IBM 3151s, but several different NCR, Wyse, etc. |
| 17:58.06 | simonlnu | nice |
| 17:58.11 | theweirdn8 | says he felt his life was in danger when he threw the hammer to get charges dropped. |
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| 18:00.38 | simonlnu | tries to get his ISP's IPv6 to work again |
| 18:00.39 | teraflops | theweirdn8: idk about irc on windows or whatever windows people use, but as jmcnaught said, yo do your own research and if you get stuck you ask e.g here about what you did and the error you got, this is a kind recommendation |
| 18:00.53 | FaTony | what do I need to put in .desktop file for it to associate with nsf files? |
| 18:01.47 | simonlnu | text |
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| 18:03.19 | papi83dm | is nfs the best option to share a directory with 3 servers? |
| 18:03.29 | papi83dm | *web servers |
| 18:03.37 | FaTony | which text exactly? I've put some stuff and it now appears in menu but not when I double click an nsf file |
| 18:03.45 | theweirdn8 | ah gracias |
| 18:03.47 | theweirdn8 | understood |
| 18:03.59 | theweirdn8 | im installing the guest additions now |
| 18:04.04 | theweirdn8 | seems to be going fine |
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| 18:04.10 | greycat | papi83dm: if they're all on the same LAN, yes. |
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| 18:04.11 | theweirdn8 | fedora really did well on it just working |
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| 18:05.08 | papi83dm | greycat: yes over land, is it better than iscsi or samba? |
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| 18:05.28 | simonlnu | LAN, not land |
| 18:05.35 | papi83dm | yeah LAN |
| 18:05.41 | papi83dm | Local Area Network |
| 18:05.45 | simonlnu | yes |
| 18:05.47 | greycat | I couldn't ever imagine choosing Samba to share files between two Linux systems. |
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| 18:06.24 | simonlnu | app level over low level? eek |
| 18:06.31 | greycat | And my only experience with iscsi is with devices that use it, so I had to use it too. |
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| 18:08.23 | papi83dm | simonlnu: greycat its for 3 web servers running php and I would like the files to available for each web server |
| 18:08.29 | papi83dm | using php |
| 18:08.41 | greycat | If it's 3 Linux systems on the same LAN, just use NFS. |
| 18:09.24 | papi83dm | Thanks, I appreciate the feedback |
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| 18:09.48 | papi83dm | I just became RHCE and NFS share was one of the component |
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| 18:12.47 | simonlnu | you can tweak it so it doesn't stall, large buffer, etc. your courses will have shown you that (i hope). |
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| 18:16.10 | ajh | hello. is it a security risk to setup debian stable in a network with virusinfected computers? |
| 18:16.30 | greycat | Not any greater risk than setting it up as a public web server. |
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| 18:17.11 | greycat | Keep up with the security updates and you "should" be fine, for reasonable values of "should". |
| 18:17.52 | ajh | but i didn't install any server software. i use it for my desktop machine |
| 18:17.59 | greycat | Even better. |
| 18:18.18 | ajh | ok thx |
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| 18:19.51 | ajh | second question: i also use ubuntu gnome on another machine. ubuntu automatically mounts usb sticks without asking for a password. on my debian-mate machine i have to enter a password everytime. how can i activate ubuntulike automounting |
| 18:20.51 | Pr0t3us | An article I wrote about Dash (cryptocurrency like bitcoin but much further in development) https://steemit.com/dash/@proteus/dash-digital-cash-a-cryptocurrency-defining-the-word-solution |
| 18:21.00 | Pr0t3us | Pls upvote if you're on steemit! |
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| 18:21.26 | greycat | Oh great, another name collision. |
| 18:21.32 | greycat | ,info dash |
| 18:21.33 | ajh | greycat: but i used a very week password. is it possible to connect to a debian machine that has no server software installed, if you have /<can bruteforce> the password? |
| 18:21.33 | judd | Package dash (shells, required) in jessie/amd64: POSIX-compliant shell. Version: 0.5.7-4+b1; Size: 106.5k; Installed: 191k; Homepage: http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/dash/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/dash |
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| 18:22.04 | greycat | ajh: does "ssh localhost" give you a prompt, or an error? |
| 18:22.31 | ajh | greycat: it says. can't open |
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| 18:22.42 | greycat | What does it *really* say |
| 18:24.07 | ajh | greycat: ah sry i tried sh not ssh. ssh can establish a connection. it says authenticity of host localhost cant be established. then it prints a fingerprint. continue connecting? yes/no |
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| 18:24.31 | greycat | ajh: then you are running the ssh server. So yes, it's *pretty likely* someone could login to your system with a username and password. |
| 18:25.37 | Pr0t3us | lol greycat i know i said that two years ago when they changed their name from "Darkcoin" to "Dash" which is to stand for Digital Cash... I thought the name change was horrible and too easily confused |
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| 18:26.02 | ajh | greycat: ok thx |
| 18:26.03 | greycat | Did you suggest dcash? |
| 18:26.50 | simonlnu | wonders when people will clue in on the need for less currency, not more |
| 18:26.51 | Pr0t3us | I made a lot of suggestions for anything but Dash. We all agreed "Darkcoin" did not have the correct appeal, as privacy isn't just important for those browsing "dark" based sites etc |
| 18:27.07 | Pr0t3us | and a lot of people had that perception.. honestly though Dash solves most problems that Bitcoin currently has. |
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| 18:28.23 | ajh | i'm using debian mate jezzy. how can i activate automounting usb sticks without having to enter the password? |
| 18:28.23 | Pr0t3us | No wait for confirmations, private wallet balances & a sweet monthly budget system that comes right out of the blockchain to fund development etc |
| 18:31.11 | papi83dm | and of course I'm having issue mounting the nfs share |
| 18:32.55 | papi83dm | fixed my own issue, woulld help if I had the library on the system |
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| 18:33.55 | teraflops | ajh: if you open caja and plug the usb device it asks for a password too? |
| 18:34.24 | greycat | I think he means "without having to sudo mount" |
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| 18:35.32 | papi83dm | I didn't have nfs-client installed |
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| 18:38.35 | cybrNaut | Pr0t3us: the problem with all crypto-currencies, i find, is that that exchange rates are high. Competitive capitalism isn't doing its job. I don't suppose Dash solves that |
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| 18:39.09 | cybrNaut | and exchangers are shit.. either they want too much info, or they run their website over CloudFlare |
| 18:39.57 | ajh | teraflops: yes. but i will try another desktop because i have to reinstall the os so or so. thx for you time. |
| 18:42.27 | Pr0t3us | cybrNaut what do you mean exchange rates are high? |
| 18:43.12 | cybrNaut | Pr0t3us: 1% p2p, 3% using a legit established exchanger, 5-7% via bitcoin ATM |
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| 18:43.24 | Pr0t3us | I purchased most of my Dash for around $2... It's at $10 right now but that's not something that happened overnight... and there is a purpose for there to be large number of Dash not in circulation because of the Masternode system |
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| 18:43.44 | cybrNaut | Pr0t3us: i'm talking about the spread, not the value |
| 18:44.09 | Pr0t3us | Yea, I mean it depends on where you cash out etc |
| 18:44.17 | stardancer | 5-7% is prohibitively high |
| 18:44.24 | Pr0t3us | Anywhere that you'll get a good spot price will require personal information |
| 18:44.30 | stardancer | imagine losing that much if you were buying regular currency |
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| 18:44.34 | stardancer | there'd be no way to make any money |
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| 18:44.49 | stardancer | yet i can buy $10,000 without showing ID |
| 18:44.53 | Pr0t3us | That's about right star, the FOREX fees are fairly high... Higher than BTC |
| 18:45.07 | stardancer | no, theyre not even close |
| 18:45.15 | stardancer | try trading on a platform like oanda |
| 18:45.25 | Pr0t3us | How do you figure? Coinbase and Circle charge no fee at all to purchase |
| 18:45.29 | Pr0t3us | and very small fees to sell |
| 18:45.29 | stardancer | if you mean the retail rate that your credit card gives you is awful, true |
| 18:45.34 | Vainglory | just read about the tor connections. https://bits.debian.org/2016/08/debian-and-tor-services-available-as-onion-services.html - is there any plans to bring https:// to the non-onion mirrors? |
| 18:45.43 | stardancer | if you mean buying millions in USD, then 7% is absurd |
| 18:45.47 | cybrNaut | forex w/fiat money is cheap.. measured in PIPs (fractions of a percent) |
| 18:45.56 | stardancer | very cheap |
| 18:46.00 | Pr0t3us | No one is paying 7% though? |
| 18:46.02 | cybrNaut | Pr0t3us: coinbase cannot be trusted |
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| 18:46.10 | cybrNaut | coinbase is MitMd |
| 18:46.13 | stardancer | Pr0t3us, maybe joe blow when he goes to europe on his diner's card |
| 18:46.18 | Pr0t3us | I agree coinbase cant be trusted at all |
| 18:46.24 | stardancer | but nobody who is buying options in currency pay that |
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| 18:46.30 | stardancer | otherwise, theyd be broke |
| 18:46.36 | sypher | !offtopic |
| 18:46.36 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 18:46.38 | TomTomTosch | Vainglory: Vainglory there are mirrors supporting https. you also need apt-transport-https |
| 18:46.39 | stardancer | hey, you just lost 7% getting your foot in the door |
| 18:46.45 | peterrooney | wonders if it's even possible to get more offtopic without bringing in fairy tales |
| 18:46.45 | Pr0t3us | I know star but I'm saying no one pays 7% on bitcoin... |
| 18:46.47 | stardancer | ugh fine |
| 18:46.51 | stardancer | yes they do |
| 18:46.55 | stardancer | at bitcoin ATMs |
| 18:46.57 | Pr0t3us | I've been involved in Bitcoin since 2012 |
| 18:47.02 | Pr0t3us | No one uses Bitcoin ATMs |
| 18:47.08 | stardancer | except that they exist |
| 18:47.10 | stardancer | how about in hong kong? |
| 18:47.14 | stardancer | there are about 100 of them |
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| 18:47.21 | Horachi | Are there any security concerns i should be aware of before using the new onion repos? |
| 18:47.22 | stardancer | youve been involved with head fully up arse then |
| 18:47.30 | stardancer | ill drop it |
| 18:47.32 | Vainglory | TomTomTosch: which mirrors support https? |
| 18:47.48 | Pr0t3us | they're retarded. To think that we need a separate machine for bitcoin was the dumbest idea ever presented. We have millions of ATMs all of which run their own OS's that could easilly integrate BTC |
| 18:47.56 | stardancer | they exist and people use them |
| 18:48.09 | stardancer | so people could middleman BTC and make money off dummies |
| 18:48.12 | missmbob | Vainglory: kernel.org is the only one that comes to mind |
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| 18:48.15 | stardancer | who are basically getting ripped off |
| 18:48.19 | Pr0t3us | They're definitely not where the 300m USD a day of volume comes from |
| 18:48.29 | stardancer | but some people use BTC to launder or buy nefarious good and services |
| 18:48.33 | stardancer | so they dont care about losing 7% |
| 18:48.33 | sypher | Guys, please take the chatter to #debian-offtopic. |
| 18:48.45 | Vainglory | or #bitcoin |
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| 18:57.10 | awal1_ | How to append 'less' at the beginning of X Command (example apt-listbugs -s all list aptitude command) instead of at the end (command | less ? |
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| 18:57.50 | greycat | Create a function. Call it anything that isn't already used, like les. les() { "$@" | less; } |
| 18:58.03 | greycat | Then: les apt-listbugs whatever |
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| 18:59.10 | awal1_ | greycat, sound s like a big deal for a novice, but thanks I'll investigate that |
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| 18:59.43 | greycat | It's not a big deal when I literally wrote the whole function for you. Just change the name if you don't like it. Put the function definition in ~/.bashrc to make it available in all your future shells. |
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| 19:00.27 | greycat | Choosing a name is like 100x harder than writing the code. |
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| 19:00.45 | teraflops | heh |
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| 19:02.03 | awal1_ | greycat, oh, ok I thought that the function you wrote is just a piste, "Put the function definition in ~/.bashrc to make it available in all your future shells", is what I needed for understand how to do it exactly. thanks :) |
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| 19:05.11 | monode | hi |
| 19:05.30 | monode | i had a mdadm raid6 array i recently rebuilt after a drive failed |
| 19:05.56 | monode | and now, daily, a mdadm --monitor --scan job starts and keep my cpu at 100% |
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| 19:06.18 | monode | running jessie on a hp microserver 8 |
| 19:06.45 | monode | i can t find anything, except very old patches, on the internet |
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| 19:12.31 | unborn | ajh good question - did anyone already answered you this.. sorry Ive been disconnected - cooking my dinner :) |
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| 19:16.34 | DereC | hi all, is there any way how to install packages to upgraded kernel? i need build-essentials + dep, but i cant install them on new kernel as i need to build network drivers, and on upgraded kernel havent got internet connection |
| 19:17.16 | petemc | reboot into old working kernel |
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| 19:17.43 | DereC | yeah im on old working kenrnel |
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| 19:18.16 | petemc | great |
| 19:20.41 | DereC | petemc, sry just find out that missing headers for a new kernel, thats why build failed |
| 19:20.55 | petemc | good job |
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| 19:34.17 | MasonHauk | Hi |
| 19:34.32 | MasonHauk | #Debian, anyone here done VFIO VGA PCI Passthrough |
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| 19:39.50 | unborn | MasonHauk: if you get kerlen panic on debian have look at logs in /var/log folder |
| 19:40.24 | MasonHauk | kernel panic |
| 19:40.26 | MasonHauk | no |
| 19:40.29 | unborn | if you getting windows guest bsod (blue screen) - we really help here only with debian |
| 19:40.42 | unborn | be it virtual |
| 19:41.00 | MasonHauk | I see |
| 19:41.21 | MasonHauk | Well Ive seen Debian.org wikis on VFIO PCI Passthrough |
| 19:41.25 | MasonHauk | I dont see the problem |
| 19:41.36 | MasonHauk | since its a distro topic.... |
| 19:41.51 | unborn | good so it must be clearly windows issue then? |
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| 19:42.07 | MasonHauk | Sorry, no. |
| 19:42.45 | unborn | MasonHauk: sure - so what blue screen of that is saying to you? |
| 19:43.25 | unborn | debian have no blue screen of death - the only similar screen you can get is kernel panic |
| 19:44.11 | unborn | MasonHauk: perhaps your virtual machine is not configured properly but - that is not an debian issue i guess |
| 19:44.42 | MasonHauk | if its on a distro its a distro issue |
| 19:45.02 | MasonHauk | and ive spoken of qemu script of 1 with and other with virt manager |
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| 19:45.46 | unborn | MasonHauk: okay - you seems to not understand me, sorry I cannot help. perhaps since that is virtualmachine speak to #qemu or ask them for help - I cannot help you. sorry. |
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| 19:46.46 | disi | i ran `update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser` and `update-alternatives --config x-www-browser` to set both to chromium... but links still open with firefox esr :/ |
| 19:46.56 | disi | clicking Make Default in chromium does nothing |
| 19:47.01 | disi | how do i fix this? |
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| 19:47.32 | unborn | disi: hi, that is strange but - perhaps you can try it in gnome tweaking tool? |
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| 19:48.13 | unborn | disi: if you installed chromium via apt-get or aptitude then you should be able to set diff browser as default |
| 19:48.28 | unborn | some apps just dont do it till you not set the command for them |
| 19:48.29 | disi | i did install via apt-get |
| 19:48.46 | disi | unborn: interesting... that's not mentioned at https://wiki.debian.org/HOWTO/DefaultWebBrowser |
| 19:48.50 | disi | what section? |
| 19:48.53 | missmbob | disi: did you try sensible-browser? that's probably what you're missing |
| 19:49.12 | teraflops | disi: what DE/WM there? |
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| 19:49.30 | disi | teraflops: GNOME3 |
| 19:50.07 | disi | missmbob: that opens chromium! |
| 19:50.21 | teraflops | disi: use xdg-mime or gvfs-mime |
| 19:51.13 | unborn | oh yes xdg-mine should do fix it |
| 19:53.49 | awal1_ | missbob, I do know what mmeans sensible-browser , but curiously no option here for sensible-browser via update-alternatives |
| 19:54.38 | disi | teraflops, unborn: thanks looks like that did the trick |
| 19:54.40 | awal1_ | sid machine, maybe things have changed vs jessie |
| 19:55.21 | disi | awal1_: sensible-browser is the terminal command to open the default web browser. |
| 19:55.26 | missmbob | awal1_: it's a package. sensible-utils |
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| 19:55.46 | awal1_ | missbob, oh, ok. got you |
| 19:56.03 | disi | awal1_: on that note, how do you like running sid? ive been considering it |
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| 19:56.26 | awal1_ | I must confess I see "sensible-browser" option only in file managers & some apps configs |
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| 19:57.57 | awal1_ | disi, well, for production use one have to use stable (jessie , now) but for daily/home use, unstable (sid) is perfect if you know how to do things |
| 19:58.20 | awal1_ | you dont need to be a debaian expert for do so |
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| 19:59.25 | awal1_ | sid I only use a conservative DE , such as xfce, and one of the most stable WM, openbox |
| 19:59.27 | disi | awal1_: this would be for my primary workstation at the office... do you run siduction or anything lioke that? |
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| 20:00.10 | awal1_ | disi, no, I just run debian and debian :P |
| 20:00.28 | disi | not sure i see the value in sid-based distros anyways :p |
| 20:00.29 | awal1_ | two machines , 1 jessie, 2 sid |
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| 20:02.07 | unborn | !sid |
| 20:02.08 | dpkg | from memory, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 20:02.53 | unborn | perhaps sid things should be discussed on #debian-next |
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| 20:03.13 | disi | had never heard of #debian-next |
| 20:03.14 | disi | will do |
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| 20:03.41 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 20:03.41 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:03.59 | penrod | greetings, how accurate is fdupes ? |
| 20:04.14 | disi | greycat: that explains a lot :p |
| 20:04.21 | unborn | :) |
| 20:04.27 | disi | penrod: wfm |
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| 20:07.07 | Smma88 | i need a simple configuration of openvpn can any body help me ?! |
| 20:07.15 | ikonia | Smma88: are you using debian or ubuntu |
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| 20:07.24 | Smma88 | Debian |
| 20:07.36 | ikonia | right - so you where just telling lies when you said #ubuntu earlier |
| 20:07.42 | ikonia | thank you for confirming |
| 20:08.09 | unborn | :D |
| 20:08.29 | unborn | dont see that chan as its useless for me but 1+ ikonia |
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| 20:16.44 | TheDrizzle | oh snap |
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| 20:17.49 | bakwards | How do you disable caps lock in debian |
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| 20:18.18 | vook | is this a trick question? |
| 20:18.22 | jozavagli | press caps lock |
| 20:18.27 | jozavagli | kkkkkkkkkkk |
| 20:18.43 | jozavagli | sorry |
| 20:18.46 | greycat | Do you mean prevent *future* presses of Caps Lock from having any effect, once you've turned it off immediately? |
| 20:18.56 | bakwards | Yeah |
| 20:19.09 | greycat | Use xmodmap to map the key to something else. |
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| 20:24.48 | iste | can anyone help me with a segfault |
| 20:25.02 | iste | it seems to be library related, possibly libavcodec |
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| 20:25.37 | iste | mpv, vlc and firefox crashes on startup |
| 20:25.52 | iste | yet my depends seem fine |
| 20:26.09 | missmbob | sounds like you installed debian-multimedia. only time i've seen that happen |
| 20:26.15 | missmbob | from* |
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| 20:26.50 | iste | only main jessie repos |
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| 20:28.21 | disi | it is a little eunexpected that `apt-get remove firefox-esr` tries to uninstall gnome |
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| 20:28.45 | missmbob | disi: no. just the task package. not gnome |
| 20:28.53 | bakwards | google chrome is a good alternative to firefox |
| 20:29.28 | missmbob | !tell disi about metapackage |
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| 20:30.04 | iste | what dbg packages should i install for libav etc |
| 20:30.14 | iste | to get better symbols |
| 20:30.51 | iste | oh nvm its libav-dbg, not libavcodec-dbg |
| 20:33.12 | kline | are there debian appliance building tools like suse studio? |
| 20:33.25 | iste | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f5a06695/ < backtrace of what happens when i run avconv without params in gdb |
| 20:33.40 | disi | missmbob: interesting... that basically means not all of the gnome packages are there or something? |
| 20:34.00 | iste | i cant make sense of what makes libc choke |
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| 20:34.33 | iste | its something related with elf shared object at least |
| 20:34.52 | kline | iste, perhaps "libavcodec-dev - Development files for libavcodec" ? |
| 20:35.07 | kline | iste, "apt-cache search libav | grep Dev" gives a bunch of options |
| 20:35.15 | iste | i got the lib |
| 20:35.27 | iste | not really helping me though |
| 20:35.30 | kline | oh, you want the debug symbols for the avconv binary |
| 20:35.32 | kline | right? |
| 20:35.39 | iste | yeah |
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| 20:35.47 | iste | which is in libav-tools |
| 20:36.41 | iste | and i want -dbg, not -dev. i'm not building |
| 20:36.54 | iste | i'm trying to find out whats fucked up on my install |
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| 20:37.56 | kline | im sure youve already found and exhausted these options, but there are also debug switches for avconv. but other than that, im not sure how else to help :( |
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| 20:38.27 | kline | did you get libav-dbg? |
| 20:38.29 | iste | ive tried reinstalling packages and nothing seem to help |
| 20:38.30 | kline | i guess so |
| 20:38.34 | iste | kline: yeah |
| 20:38.51 | kline | sorry im going over what im sure you have already, im not caught up to where you were at |
| 20:38.54 | iste | vlc, firefox, mpv, avconv just stopped working after rebooting |
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| 20:39.13 | iste | this is a clean install, made it on sunday |
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| 20:40.01 | iste | my main laptop drive died so i'm on a usb stick as my root file system for now until i get my new drive in the mail |
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| 20:45.10 | awal1_ | iste, just a hint: if you want to remove x packages installed as maybe a recommend, in your case task-gnome-desktop «» firefox-esr, mark it as auto first (apt-mark) then remove/purge it. apt-get install firefox-esr, even if installed yet, also will mark it as manual |
| 20:45.40 | awal1_ | mark it as manual ^ |
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| 20:48.19 | iste | ive removed firefox-esr with just apt-get remove, maybe that removed more things that it should |
| 20:48.59 | awal1_ | remove doesn't delete configs |
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| 20:49.08 | awal1_ | I guess purge is what you want |
| 20:50.01 | iste | oh |
| 20:50.28 | awal1_ | remove should remove only firefox-esr single pkg, purge will remove it's recommend, if not needed by other pkgs |
| 20:50.44 | awal1_ | it's recommends ^ |
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| 20:51.10 | SanchoPensa | hey guys! |
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| 20:51.47 | TomTomTosch | the only thing purge does differently to remove is removing the config files. |
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| 20:51.54 | SanchoPensa | so i got myself a brandnew logitech hyperion mouse, and it has this deeply annoying blinking G logo on it. |
| 20:52.28 | SanchoPensa | can you pls tell me, how to either fixate or turn off that led, and keep it from blinking? i am using xfce... |
| 20:53.04 | awal1_ | iste, but even if purged, firefox-esr when reinstalled will use old configs in .mozilla; if you want a fresh firefox-esr, you may want remove .mizilla also. that depends on your goal, so |
| 20:54.02 | dondelelcaro | SanchoPensa: it's possible that solaar might do it, but it probably takes some kind of proprietary usb communication with the mouse to turn it off |
| 20:54.38 | SanchoPensa | dondelelcaro: thanks for the answer, in how far proprietary? |
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| 20:54.58 | awal1_ | TomTomTosch, right, I meant during purges, apt may suggest to remove (via autoremove) X pkgs if no needed by other pkgs |
| 20:55.01 | iste | sorry accidentally halted my laptop |
| 20:55.08 | dondelelcaro | SanchoPensa: dunno; it could be as simple as it exposes a USB serial device, as complicated as something else entirely. |
| 20:55.10 | SanchoPensa | according to the logitech support pages, the logitech gaming software does that rick, but that one is of course not available for linux |
| 20:55.18 | TomTomTosch | awal1_: it does that every time :P |
| 20:55.21 | SanchoPensa | heh! |
| 20:55.31 | dondelelcaro | SanchoPensa: yep; ideally they'd tell you what the protocol was to talk to the mouse to configure it |
| 20:55.45 | SanchoPensa | dondelelcaro: it could also be chinese, or be attracted to the moon? *g* |
| 20:56.02 | SanchoPensa | uhuh, i see :) |
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| 20:56.19 | awal1_ | TomTomTosh, not really, but ok, we understood each other anyway :P |
| 20:56.21 | dondelelcaro | SanchoPensa: but you could also reverse engineer it if you wanted; it's also possible that someone has figured it out already |
| 20:56.21 | SanchoPensa | is that a mouse thing, or a driver thing? |
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| 20:57.09 | SanchoPensa | dondelelcaro: possible indeed... didn't find it with duck duck go though... is that a setting, that is stored on the device, or does the driver operate that led? |
| 20:57.22 | dondelelcaro | SanchoPensa: it's most likely a setting which is stored on the device |
| 20:57.30 | SanchoPensa | or in other words, can i attach it to a win pc, and turn it off, then reattach it to linux? |
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| 20:57.41 | dondelelcaro | SanchoPensa: it's possible that the driver restores the setting each time, though. |
| 20:57.57 | SanchoPensa | oh geez. in that case i need a widows .D |
| 20:58.00 | dondelelcaro | (given that that's a pretty nice mouse, I'd suspect they put some flash on it) |
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| 20:58.37 | SanchoPensa | yeah, but you know, i believe it is save now, to telly you that i frankly dont give a **** about the bling... |
| 20:58.50 | SanchoPensa | geez is this annoying! :D |
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| 20:59.53 | SanchoPensa | it's like; once you don't buy a microsoft mouse, it sure as hell doesn't work on linux :D |
| 21:00.16 | dondelelcaro | SanchoPensa: well, they all work, it's just extra features that the mouse has might not work |
| 21:00.41 | SanchoPensa | dondelelcaro: bro, in this case, i wish, it diodn! :D |
| 21:00.50 | SanchoPensa | srsly, this led is driving me nuts! |
| 21:00.55 | dondelelcaro | tape? |
| 21:01.19 | SanchoPensa | hehe, sure as hell, but not a permanent fix... |
| 21:01.27 | SanchoPensa | i want a clean fix :) |
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| 21:01.37 | dondelelcaro | well, you can always open the mouse and desolder the led. |
| 21:02.00 | SanchoPensa | dondelelcaro: or... |
| 21:02.14 | SanchoPensa | i could of course always open the mouse and desolder the led! :D |
| 21:02.24 | SanchoPensa | silly me, why didnt i think of it? :D |
| 21:03.11 | SanchoPensa | i think i'll just sink it in the danube... |
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| 21:04.30 | cluelessperson | Hi all, how easy would it be to manually copy packages to apt-cacher? |
| 21:05.21 | Jerm1_ | Unfortunaltey, it is not possible to re-program the keys of the mouse under Linux. The Logitech Gaming Software for mouse configuration does not run in Linux and is also not usable in combination with Wine. |
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| 21:08.16 | SanchoPensa | Jerm1_: thanky, man, do you agree with dondelelcaro, that it is a mouse setting, and not a driver sided setting? |
| 21:08.57 | SanchoPensa | Jerm1_: or in other words, can i turn it off in windows, and use it turned off in linux, or is linux going to resurrect that led? |
| 21:10.20 | Jerm1_ | It's probably set by the software on boot. For example my Logitech trackpad behaves entirely different in OS X because it has the driver than it does in Linux. Really only one way to know for certain. |
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| 21:11.10 | SanchoPensa | Jerm1_: i thought so... cos, what is it that operates that led? the driver, right?, so i'd need to tweak that driver, instead of unsoldering that led? |
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| 21:11.52 | Jerm1_ | That would be the optimal solution. Better the replace a leaking shingle than duct tape it. |
| 21:11.59 | Jerm1_ | the=to |
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| 21:12.42 | SanchoPensa | i got you well, bro, and i definitely agree. and also i am not much one for the soldering of mouses... |
| 21:12.57 | Jerm1_ | :D |
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| 21:13.19 | SanchoPensa | now, dpkl -l gives me no logitech, or hyperion driver back, what would it likely be? |
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| 21:14.22 | SanchoPensa | just to find out, whom to ask... |
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| 21:14.47 | Jerm1_ | Maybe this has some hints: http://askubuntu.com/questions/152297/how-to-configure-extra-buttons-in-logitech-mouse |
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| 21:17.13 | SanchoPensa | interesting link, thanks, JeremyE77, 4 yrs old though and for a mx620..., lets see, if it reveals any news... :) |
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| 21:17.37 | JeremyE77 | Hopefully some directional hints. Best I got :) |
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| 21:54.38 | ProfessorKaos64 | does anyone know where the best place is to get help/advice with packaging/pbuilder? |
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| 21:56.00 | Roland- | hey guys, any network expert here? tryng to put a bridge on trunk |
| 21:56.11 | Roland- | it seems like tagged packets are not handled properly |
| 21:56.57 | baraba | has anyone been able to use an open source flash implementation to watch videos_ |
| 21:57.00 | baraba | ? |
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| 21:58.23 | teraflops | baraba: just use html5 or youtube-dl |
| 21:59.58 | baraba | some sites don't offer html5 videos, teraflops |
| 22:00.27 | teraflops | give a try to youtube-dl then |
| 22:01.24 | baraba | teraflops, i don't think you can use youtube-dl for live sport streams |
| 22:02.07 | teraflops | baraba: unless youre talking about those sites that unless you have an ad blocker addon your computer just explodes |
| 22:02.19 | teraflops | baraba: use acestream or sopcast then |
| 22:02.58 | teraflops | baraba: this is not the place for asking about such things though |
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| 22:04.25 | baraba | teraflops, acestream and sopcast are not free software, of course it is the right place |
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| 22:04.56 | baraba | i didn't ask about sport stream, but open source flash implementations on debian or linux in general |
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| 22:05.37 | teraflops | baraba: what I meant is this is not the site for asking about acestream or sopcast |
| 22:06.11 | teraflops | answering to my own sentence |
| 22:06.20 | baraba | ok |
| 22:06.40 | ProfessorKaos64 | if I want to make more than one snapshot version of a package in a day (e.g. vkquake_0.30+[DATE]git), how shoudl i handle upping the version? |
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| 22:15.00 | babilen | ProfessorKaos64: Ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net -- You probably want to include something monotonically increasing after the date |
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| 22:15.56 | babilen | Ah, cross posted already |
| 22:15.58 | babilen | nvm |
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| 22:16.35 | ProfessorKaos64 | I did, just thought i'd ask. I was thinking of going with 20160802.081813 |
| 22:16.36 | bakwards | Why use a crossover why not just use a switcj |
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| 22:18.55 | Akuw | to install xen virtualization the package name is xen-hipervisor ? |
| 22:19.20 | babilen | ProfessorKaos64: As in the timestamp ? |
| 22:19.28 | Akuw | there is xen-hipervisor and xen-hupervisor-4.4 |
| 22:19.43 | vook | !xen |
| 22:19.43 | dpkg | Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor / hypervisor, allowing several guest operating systems to execute concurrently on the same system. Provides paravirtualization (requiring guest OSs to be modified/ported) and hardware-assisted virtualization (for running guests unmodified). For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 22:19.45 | ProfessorKaos64 | yea. Just trying to make my version of the package, if building more than 1 in a day, versioning sane |
| 22:19.50 | Akuw | sorry, there is xen-hipervisor and xen-hipervisor-4.4 |
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| 22:20.15 | vook | xen-hypervisor is a virtual package, links to en-hypervisor-4.4-amd64 |
| 22:20.20 | ProfessorKaos64 | Or ${date_short}git+bsos${pkgrev}-${debrev} |
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| 22:20.54 | babilen | bsos? |
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| 22:21.14 | babilen | I tend to have git before the data |
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| 22:21.17 | babilen | *date |
| 22:21.25 | ProfessorKaos64 | that was left over from another build, deb8 whichever, I do packaging for steamos too |
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| 22:22.00 | bakwards | python |
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| 22:25.47 | Akuw | in jessie xen-linux-system is not in main package |
| 22:26.50 | vook | it is in my jessie |
| 22:27.04 | Akuw | ? |
| 22:27.13 | Wally | Gah.. my works internet is so broken that the ssh prompts are logging and my password is being put in the clear.. |
| 22:27.24 | vook | you need more than just the hypervisor, you need the toolstack, etc. |
| 22:27.32 | missmbob | no it's not. xen-linux-system-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 22:27.46 | Wally | is it in a backport? |
| 22:27.52 | Akuw | i guess |
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| 22:28.12 | Akuw | becuase in main is not there |
| 22:28.13 | missmbob | xen-linux-system-amd64 is available |
| 22:29.27 | vook | hmm, here 'xen-linux-system' installs the exact same packages as ..-amd64 |
| 22:29.39 | vook | but I have backports enabled |
| 22:29.46 | missmbob | ,v xen-linux-system |
| 22:29.47 | judd | No package named 'xen-linux-system' was found in amd64. |
| 22:29.49 | Akuw | is in wheezy |
| 22:29.51 | missmbob | that includes backports |
| 22:29.54 | missmbob | right, wheezy |
| 22:29.57 | missmbob | not jessie |
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| 22:30.04 | iKarith | would just like to say that Atom D410 w/ i915 KMS driver is damned near a paperweight on Linux. :P I spent days trying to figure out how to get a resolution other than 1024x768 out of the thing, and to actually get half the console to not be off-screen. :P |
| 22:30.17 | Akuw | then in jessie i have to install xen-hypervisor? |
| 22:30.27 | vook | actually, no, I don't have backports enabled |
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| 22:30.37 | missmbob | no you install the amd64 package i mentioned earlier |
| 22:30.39 | vook | just main contrib non-free, only jessie |
| 22:30.52 | pk64 | I just ended up going with "vkquake_0.30+20160802git+deb1-1" something like that |
| 22:31.04 | missmbob | vook: p.d.o disagrees with you as well |
| 22:31.30 | vook | I don't know what there is to debate - I'm just saying it exists in my system |
| 22:32.19 | rogfish | Hi all! Im trying to use my gps dongle (made for the ar drone) on my debian netbook. Anyone know if this works, and if I need some kind of software to take use of it? |
| 22:32.26 | rogfish | Viking cant find my location |
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| 22:32.49 | axc1298 | when does debian 9 go into freeze? |
| 22:33.03 | vook | missmbob: it's because I'm using aptitude search, not apt-cache search |
| 22:33.31 | missmbob | axc1298: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch full frezze is 2017-02-05 |
| 22:34.13 | axc1298 | thanks |
| 22:35.24 | Akuw | i just added contrib non-free but xen-linux-system is not there |
| 22:35.38 | missmbob | because it's not in jessie... |
| 22:35.54 | missmbob | guess i should just stop talking |
| 22:35.59 | vook | Akuw: it'll show up if you use aptitude, but it's the same as xen-linux-system-amd64. Yes, it is in jessie with aptitude, which has more virtual package options |
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| 22:37.10 | Akuw | aptitude search xen-linux-system show no package |
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| 22:37.42 | vook | who cares? just install xen-linux-system-amd64 |
| 22:38.07 | missmbob | like i said forever ago. |
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| 22:38.37 | Akuw | not there |
| 22:38.57 | missmbob | ,v xen-linux-system-amd64 |
| 22:38.58 | judd | Package: xen-linux-system-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.6+74~bpo8+1; sid: 4.6+74; stretch: 4.6+74 |
| 22:39.04 | vook | http://paste.debian.net/786685/ |
| 22:39.06 | missmbob | yeah, that one shows up in jessie and jessie-backports |
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| 22:40.11 | vook | like I said forever ago |
| 22:42.08 | missmbob | vook: this was a wheezy box before and upgraded to jessie, right? |
| 22:43.12 | vook | It's possible, but I'm not sure why old packages from 2 years ago would be showing up now. |
| 22:43.25 | missmbob | in your local database it stays. it saw it once. |
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| 22:43.49 | vook | really now? So when I remove a repo, like owncloud for example, those packages will still show up? I think not |
| 22:44.23 | missmbob | vook: okay. try it. or give a reason why judd and p.d.o and everyone else can't find it in jessie |
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| 22:49.10 | vook | ok, concede, I do not know. I had no idea that debian kept every package in the repo that it's ever seen until the end of time, whether it's present anywhere in the sources or not. |
| 22:50.12 | TomTomTosch | it doesn't... |
| 22:50.57 | vook | so why is it keeping wheezy packages (from repos that were long ago removed)? |
| 22:51.35 | vook | and why does this wheezy virtual package install the exact same packages as the jessie virtual package? |
| 22:51.45 | vook | seems like it'd be pulling something a bit older. |
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| 22:52.48 | vook | so there must be some function in the process, moving from wheezy to jessie, in which the old link is deliberately retained and repointed |
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| 22:55.23 | TomTomTosch | it's a virtual package provided by xen-linux-system-amd64, that's why judd and p.d.o don't show it. |
| 22:56.07 | vook | yeah, that makes more sense |
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| 23:15.28 | slbtc | I need help on lxde and xfce I'm not getting any sound |
| 23:15.49 | slbtc | I have alsamixer and pavucontrol installed both pick up sound but I can't hear it from my HDTV speakers or my headphones. |
| 23:16.29 | Wally | have you set pulseaudio / alsa order? |
| 23:16.40 | slbtc | ? |
| 23:16.41 | Wally | there's some trickery with the config files.. It's a PITA |
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| 23:17.16 | slbtc | sounds complicated. but I need sound so I'll go through it if I have to. |
| 23:17.39 | Wally | I don't remember the specifics. |
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| 23:19.01 | awal1_ | slbtc, play with profil stuff in configuration tab of pavuctrl |
| 23:19.09 | Wally | .asound.rc or something |
| 23:19.10 | Wally | I wish someone would make it easier. |
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| 23:20.29 | awal1_ | qasmixer helps sometimes |
| 23:23.25 | slbtc | Wally: if I were to use external speakers would it be picked up by debian automatically or would I still have to configure it? |
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| 23:28.26 | Wally | try it? |
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| 23:28.48 | zyley | slbtc, i think i can partially help, what command "aplay -l" show up, use paste.debian.net |
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| 23:30.46 | slbtc | zyley: http://dpaste.com/01K0HCK |
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| 23:32.24 | zyley | basically put, you only have one card, so you don't need /etc/asound/conf ... |
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| 23:32.50 | zyley | is it classic yet again, volume down and/or mute |
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| 23:33.25 | slbtc | zyley: so what do you suggest I do? |
| 23:33.46 | slbtc | zyley: it says there's sound but I can't hear it. and nothing's muted |
| 23:34.04 | slbtc | I tried headphones and the built in sound from my HDTV |
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| 23:34.21 | slbtc | in alsamixer it says the headphones are on but there's no volume |
| 23:34.52 | slbtc | like how there is on the other sound profiles like the master sound front end ect.. |
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| 23:35.43 | slbtc | zyley: what if I were to remove pulse and reinstall it? |
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| 23:36.34 | zyley | do you have desktop or laptop ... |
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| 23:37.14 | zyley | desktops usually have two connectors. one in the back and one in the front |
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| 23:39.19 | zyley | *audio connectors |
| 23:39.57 | slbtc | zyley: desktop |
| 23:40.15 | slbtc | zyley: I tried both with my headphones still nothing |
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| 23:41.11 | slbtc | zyley they did work once though the first time I had them plugged in but ever since I restarted and I wanted to get the speakers for my HDTV monitor to work the headphones as of now cease to work :/ |
| 23:41.54 | zyley | what does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" do ... |
| 23:42.22 | slbtc | zyley: I think the problem is that I'm using an old dell desktop and I heard sound for dell with linux is weirdly setup |
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| 23:44.34 | slbtc | zyley: sorry what's the command to paste it to dpaste.com in the terminal? My browsers are acting up they're open but they won't appear |
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| 23:45.40 | zyley | did you mean "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" |
| 23:45.49 | TomTomTosch | !pastebinit |
| 23:45.49 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 23:46.45 | slbtc | TomTomTosch: that's what I was looking for thanks |
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| 23:48.03 | zyley | slbtc, i don't see hdmi audio device so getting sound through hdmi might be impossible |
| 23:48.33 | slbtc | zyley: well it is connected through serial not hdmi port |
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| 23:51.32 | zyley | serial ...now i'm lost ...do you mean 3.5mm audio jacks |
| 23:51.47 | Wally | lol |
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| 23:56.02 | slbtc | zyley: http://dpaste.com/3JF5Z60 |
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| 23:58.29 | zyley | did you hear anything |
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