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| 00:04.19 | jim | hi |
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| 00:30.30 | MACscr | can someone explain to me why my udev rules are not being fully respected? http://paste.debian.net/786977/ |
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| 00:37.01 | locodir-user | Hi, again, and again..., i forget what is the unit of the paket sizes shown by "apt-cache show <packet name>" ,how do i calculate the exact size ? |
| 00:38.33 | missmbob | locodir-user: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Installed-Size |
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| 00:40.30 | TomTomTo1 | the field Size is in bytes, though, if that's what you are asking. |
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| 00:41.46 | locodir-user | missmbob: TomTomTo1: thank you, for this quick and straight answer... |
| 00:42.04 | missmbob | i'm not straight |
| 00:42.07 | missmbob | oh wait :P |
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| 00:44.22 | TomTomTo1 | too late, that information is now archived. |
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| 00:46.02 | jmcnaught | jim: i wouldn't worry about lvmetad unless you think you need it for hotplugging volume groups or something |
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| 00:52.33 | locodir-user | Sorry, i am so dumb..., but the Debian books are not as easy to read as a book on Civil rights... , apt-cache show <packet name> shows 2 size fields; 1. Installed-Size: 1820 2. Size 930818 |
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| 00:52.53 | locodir-user | are both sizes are bytes ? |
| 00:53.37 | locodir-user | the 2.nd field (Size) is not explained in the link above, or did i just miss it ? |
| 00:53.58 | TomTomTo1 | Installed-Size is estimated size in bytes/1024 rounded up. Size is in Bytes. |
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| 00:55.08 | locodir-user | TomTomTo1: How, come that a packet installed-Size is smaller than the Size-field:, i do not understand... |
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| 00:56.10 | RoyK | TomTomTo1: bytes/1024? millibytes? ;) |
| 00:56.20 | TomTomTo1 | well, your example is not. |
| 00:57.11 | TomTomTo1 | RoyK: no, kibibytes. |
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| 01:01.06 | TomTomTo1 | locodir-user: the installed size in your example would be 1863680 Bytes, which is larger than 930818 |
| 01:01.26 | locodir-user | a similar problem i have with the undocumented feature of apt-mirror (set limit_rate)..., it seems that debian somehow is backholding Information in the apparently overwhelming amout of Information |
| 01:02.50 | locodir-user | so 1820 is larger than 930818 ? |
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| 01:04.17 | TomTomTo1 | i gave you the numbers in comparable ranges above. |
| 01:04.47 | locodir-user | TomTomTo1: "Size" is 930818 Bytes and "installed-Size" is KiBi, right ? |
| 01:05.02 | TomTomTo1 | yeah |
| 01:05.27 | locodir-user | Debian-programmers....tzz.. |
| 01:05.41 | M-alex_mayorga | Hello! How do I add a keyboard layout in Debian GNOME? |
| 01:05.44 | TomTomTo1 | complain to someone else.. |
| 01:05.49 | missmbob | that's so world it was probably ian himself |
| 01:05.54 | missmbob | old* |
| 01:05.55 | locodir-user | thanks.. |
| 01:06.13 | themill | installed-size is very approximate so it makes no sense to specify it to the last byte |
| 01:06.24 | themill | (it's not even accurate at the kB level) |
| 01:07.12 | jim | jmcnaught, not thinking of hotplugging VGs, but I'll keep that in mind |
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| 01:07.50 | locodir-user | themill: at least give it a try, and try to be as accurate as possible... showing the units used (KB, KiBi, Bytes, etc.. ) |
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| 01:08.53 | locodir-user | This bug is chewing my time, and my brain... |
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| 01:09.04 | themill | it's supposed to be numeric only and these fields are carefully defined so if you want to know what they are, you are supposed to look at the definition |
| 01:09.09 | M-alex_mayorga | How do I add a keyboard layout in Debian GNOME? https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/keyboard-layouts.html.en |
| 01:11.50 | MACscr | how can i get persistent network interface names with debian 8.5? udev rules are no longer working properly |
| 01:11.58 | locodir-user | themill, that's fine.., but if you describe a field like "Size (KB): 1820, i know what i am looking at... |
| 01:13.44 | M-alex_mayorga | How to make the wireless indicator on ThinkPad w530 stay lit instead of blink repeatedly in stretch? |
| 01:14.22 | themill | locodir-user: field names don't have spaces or punctuation like that |
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| 01:16.06 | locodir-user | themill: i guess, the white spaces are not the problem.., just leave em away, doing it without spaces..., still readable.. |
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| 01:16.38 | themill | locodir-user: this is never going to changer |
| 01:16.40 | themill | -r |
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| 01:18.55 | locodir-user | or describe the field just like Bytes:1820 and installed-Bytes: 930818 |
| 01:19.14 | themill | the fields are not going to change and redundant info is not going to be added. |
| 01:19.37 | TomTomTo1 | locodir-user: then use apt show <pkg> instead. it's a different frontend. |
| 01:19.44 | locodir-user | themill: my time is redundant..., and my brain as well.... |
| 01:19.58 | TomTomTo1 | locodir-user: and we are still not the right place for complaints. |
| 01:20.17 | locodir-user | i c ... |
| 01:20.24 | themill | locodir-user: you are choosing to read the machine-readable versions rather than the human readable versions. The mr version doesn't need such things added because they are defined. |
| 01:21.09 | locodir-user | themill: thanks for your time and effort, to explain your point of view to me. |
| 01:21.35 | themill | np, have fun with it |
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| 01:22.26 | MACscr | are network names stored in the initrd? maybe thats my issue as my systems are iscsi booted |
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| 01:32.08 | locodir-user | time and effort..., is invested in explaining things.... |
| 01:33.23 | MACscr | themill: my turn yet? i need to tap into that knowledge of yours |
| 01:33.32 | locodir-user | maybe over and over again.., i guess it would be a more time saving effort to write the software well..., in terms of ... idk.. |
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| 01:35.50 | locodir-user | bye for know.. |
| 01:36.17 | squisher | hey folks, I'm on sid, dist-upgraded, rebooted and my X is completely gone. I get a black screen only. I know nvidia did get updated, are there any known issues on this? |
| 01:36.37 | sypher | !testing |
| 01:36.37 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 01:38.43 | jmcnaught | MACscr: udev rules for persistent network names works for me in jessie. what's happening on your system? |
| 01:40.23 | MACscr | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/786977/ |
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| 01:41.15 | MACscr | are these at all related to the initrd? like i said, its iscsi booted, so the kernel being ran really isnt even on the system |
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| 01:42.17 | jmcnaught | MACscr: did you make /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules by hand? |
| 01:42.42 | MACscr | nope |
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| 01:43.15 | jmcnaught | MACscr: so that's the one that was generated by /lib/udev/write_net_rules but you removed the comments? Also is it a VM? |
| 01:43.36 | RoyK | !unstable |
| 01:43.36 | MACscr | no, physical server |
| 01:43.36 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 01:43.38 | MACscr | yes |
| 01:44.39 | RoyK | squisher: wtf are you on sid? |
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| 01:45.56 | jmcnaught | MACscr: hmmm.. line 13-14 of your paste says the interface is being renamed to em1 |
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| 01:47.12 | MACscr | jmcnaught: no, thats eth0 |
| 01:47.16 | MACscr | to em1 |
| 01:47.26 | MACscr | em2 is not being renamed and what is actually active |
| 01:48.04 | squisher | RoyK, language? And yes, why not |
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| 01:48.51 | RoyK | squisher: I don't know about language, but Sid is unstable by definition - Sid is the kid that breaks toys, remember? |
| 01:49.18 | sypher | "why not" is not the question you want to ask about sid. "why?" is the correct question, and seldom is there a good answer. |
| 01:49.26 | jmcnaught | MACscr: okay. it says in various docs that each udev rule needs to be on a separate line, does anything change if you add blank lines or reorder the lines in 70-persistent-net.rules? |
| 01:49.34 | squisher | RoyK, yeah, I know, I'm not complaining, I'm only asking a question |
| 01:49.47 | squisher | and yes, I know this isn't a sid support channel, which is why I was shutting up about it ;-) |
| 01:50.42 | jmcnaught | squisher: take a look at your Xorg log files (i think they're in your home directory in unstable now) and maybe ask about it on #debian-next on OFTC, or look for recent bugs that could be related |
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| 01:58.40 | waszabi | Guys, has anyone of you tried to install Guest Additions of VirtualBox into text-only VM of Debian? The only thing I would like to achieve is that Alt-Tab would be sent to host machine instead of vm |
| 02:00.51 | jmcnaught | waszabi: i'm not a virtualbox user but Debian has virtualbox-guest-utils and virtualbox-guest-x11 packages that install the guest additions (for the VM). Should be easier than attempting to install from the virtualbox ISO |
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| 02:47.06 | jKlaus | hey guys |
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| 02:47.40 | jKlaus | Out of curiosity should we have to set the nameserver with jessie if everything is working proper? |
| 02:48.07 | jKlaus | i had to go in and edit the dhcpd conf file |
| 02:48.26 | jKlaus | dhcpcd.conf* |
| 02:48.40 | jKlaus | talking to guys on another channel they said I "shouldn't" have to |
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| 02:59.03 | RoyK | Dan_Garry: avoid the space in front and perhaps change your password ;) |
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| 03:16.44 | jKlaus | RoyK, why'd you have to be nice ;) |
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| 03:18.04 | jKlaus | RoyK, he was messing with us |
| 03:18.29 | jKlaus | -NickServ- Dan_Garry is not a registered nickname. |
| 03:18.37 | RoyK | hehe |
| 03:18.37 | rgwu | Lol. |
| 03:18.57 | vahe | hi,I have an old wifi cheat how to find and install the driver? debian 8 |
| 03:19.06 | RoyK | usually tries to be nice - it helps in the long term |
| 03:19.35 | jKlaus | true RoyK , true |
| 03:19.38 | RoyK | vahe: what sort of chipset? |
| 03:19.41 | jKlaus | vahe, what's the issue ow? |
| 03:19.43 | jKlaus | now* |
| 03:20.27 | vahe | I don't know ,wifi is not working how to know what wifi |
| 03:20.39 | RoyK | vahe: pastebin output of lshw |
| 03:20.42 | jKlaus | I just installed raspbian on my pi, debian jessie on my laptop and am in the midst of dist upgrade on this desktop |
| 03:20.43 | vahe | ifconfige not view |
| 03:20.44 | RoyK | !pastebin |
| 03:20.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 03:20.48 | jKlaus | crazy night.. lol |
| 03:21.32 | jKlaus | !help |
| 03:21.34 | jKlaus | bah |
| 03:21.49 | RoyK | !trump |
| 03:21.57 | RoyK | no help there either |
| 03:21.57 | vahe | RoyK: I don't know how to look |
| 03:22.11 | RoyK | vahe: I said lshw |
| 03:22.30 | Dan_Garry | Whois RoyK |
| 03:22.33 | RoyK | vahe: just don't paste the lot in here |
| 03:22.37 | vahe | ok |
| 03:22.41 | Dan_Garry | why am i retarded |
| 03:22.45 | r6ku | lshw? |
| 03:22.48 | Dan_Garry | *facepalm* |
| 03:22.55 | vahe | RoyK: -su: lshw: command not found |
| 03:23.04 | RoyK | vahe: apt-get install ... |
| 03:23.10 | vahe | ok |
| 03:23.26 | jKlaus | !who is trump |
| 03:23.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, trump is going to be the next president |
| 03:23.42 | jKlaus | who is trump |
| 03:23.46 | jKlaus | dpkg, who is trump |
| 03:23.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, trump is going to be the next president |
| 03:23.55 | RoyK | slaps dpkg with a small sledgehammer |
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| 03:24.37 | jKlaus | dpkg, what is RoyK |
| 03:24.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, royk is a boob |
| 03:24.49 | jKlaus | I like this thing.. ;) |
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| 03:24.54 | RoyK | hehe |
| 03:24.57 | jKlaus | reminds me of kthx on #reprap |
| 03:25.09 | jKlaus | now called gthx |
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| 03:25.26 | RoyK | dpkg: no, roy is a guy from Norway, some senior engineer expert on linux systems |
| 03:25.26 | dpkg | okay, RoyK |
| 03:25.36 | RoyK | dpkg: no, royk is a guy from Norway, some senior engineer expert on linux systems |
| 03:25.36 | dpkg | okay, RoyK |
| 03:25.39 | vahe | RoyK: http://paste.debian.net/786983/ |
| 03:25.58 | jKlaus | dpkg, who is RoyK |
| 03:25.59 | dpkg | well, royk is a guy from Norway, some senior engineer expert on linux systems |
| 03:26.18 | jKlaus | dpkg seen RoyK |
| 03:26.18 | dpkg | royk is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 43s, last said: 'dpkg: no, royk is a guy from Norway, some senior engineer expert on linux systems'. |
| 03:26.22 | RoyK | jKlaus: Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 - hm... |
| 03:26.32 | jKlaus | ? |
| 03:26.33 | RoyK | vahe: that was for you |
| 03:26.43 | RoyK | vahe: Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 <-- never touched any of thoose |
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| 03:27.02 | RoyK | vahe: looks like https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 03:27.26 | RoyK | jKlaus: sorry |
| 03:27.34 | jKlaus | I just had to grab my driver out of there 30 minutes ago |
| 03:27.45 | jKlaus | 2000.6 |
| 03:27.46 | vahe | RoyK: thanks well, how did you know? |
| 03:27.49 | jKlaus | stupid driver |
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| 03:28.06 | jKlaus | vahe, the googlefu is strong with that one |
| 03:28.06 | RoyK | vahe: do you know a webpage called google.com? |
| 03:28.17 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. I finally found a gtk3 theme I could handle, so I started using Firefox instead of Iceweasel. However, Iceweasel in some places still thinks it is my default browser. What should I look for to ease the situation? Should I just uninstall Iceweasel? |
| 03:28.20 | Lacho | hello |
| 03:28.27 | jKlaus | RoyK, should have used LMGTFY |
| 03:28.38 | RoyK | jKlaus: indeed |
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| 03:28.40 | jKlaus | give the man a demo |
| 03:29.00 | jKlaus | man this debian install is taking a lot longer than anticipated |
| 03:29.16 | jKlaus | I want to go to bed but I also don't want to risk bricking the machine |
| 03:29.18 | RoyK | oh, lack of googling? ;) |
| 03:30.10 | RoyK | jKlaus: installing on spinning rust? |
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| 03:30.51 | jKlaus | Not entirely |
| 03:30.56 | jKlaus | T430 |
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| 03:31.02 | jKlaus | I guess its getting to be old lol |
| 03:31.15 | jKlaus | But I run linux so .. meh? |
| 03:31.35 | jKlaus | My wife has a dell laptop from ~2004 |
| 03:31.43 | jKlaus | still running ubuntu lol |
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| 03:47.28 | vahe | RoyK: managed to install working thanks )) |
| 03:48.04 | vahe | RoyK: I still have can help? http://paste.debian.net/786986/ |
| 03:48.09 | vahe | minipc |
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| 03:50.13 | hwamer | Quick question: Debian Testing or Ubuntu? |
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| 03:52.01 | zykotick9 | option c - debian stable ;) |
| 03:52.18 | RoyK | vahe: can't see any 802.11 cards there |
| 03:52.30 | vahe | http://paste.debian.net/786986/ where's my wifi ? |
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| 03:53.02 | vahe | RoyK: but it certainly is |
| 03:53.27 | RoyK | vahe: well, it doesn't turn up in lshw |
| 03:53.43 | Wally | lsmod? |
| 03:54.40 | vahe | min lsmod |
| 03:55.30 | RoyK | Wally: modules don't count for lshw |
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| 03:55.47 | Wally | I was thinking does he have the firmware installed.. |
| 03:55.51 | RoyK | Wally: lshw lists the pci bus |
| 03:56.00 | Wally | rigto |
| 03:56.18 | RoyK | Wally: lspci is perhaps ligther, but lshw does the same job, same does dmidecode |
| 03:58.19 | vahe | Wally: http://paste.debian.net/786987/ |
| 04:00.05 | Rusty1_ | vahe: is it that you have wifi and cant find the device or you expect to be able to find a wifi device and do not |
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| 04:02.13 | vahe | Rusty1_: 100% I have just Wi-Fi after update disappeared |
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| 04:04.43 | vahe | http://paste.debian.net/786989/ |
| 04:04.53 | vahe | lspci |
| 04:05.10 | Rusty1_ | vahe: what does ifconfig return? |
| 04:05.48 | vahe | only shows 2 |
| 04:05.53 | vahe | no wlan0 |
| 04:06.40 | vahe | Rusty1_: eth0 lo |
| 04:08.00 | Rusty1_ | unplug the ethernet cable , plug it back in and type: dmesg |
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| 04:09.40 | vahe | Rusty1_: the problem is that it is a minipc and it 16 to ubuntu 14.04 it was and like a fool updated , then wifi died |
| 04:10.07 | vahe | I can't connect because the TV far ;D |
| 04:11.04 | Rusty1_ | !ubuntu |
| 04:11.04 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 04:11.17 | vahe | minipc pcg02u |
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| 04:11.41 | vahe | I know ,but there is no help ,there is more clever ))) |
| 04:12.06 | vahe | Ubuntu is based on Debian)) so all the same |
| 04:12.31 | saul | i added a new drive to my system, formatted ext4 and copying data to it with rsync and i see this http://pastebin.com/nqb466Bb |
| 04:12.40 | saul | in /var/log/messages |
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| 04:21.47 | k_sze[work] | !raspbian |
| 04:21.47 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 05:13.27 | Lacho1 | someone can help me with acl and samba4? |
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| 05:16.44 | RoyK | Lacho1: filesystem mounted with acl support and xattr? |
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| 05:17.21 | the8thbit | Hello |
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| 05:18.18 | OerHeks | RoyK, if vahe comes back, that compustick uses a wifi/bt combo chip, Realtek RTL8723BS, build instructions on http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/05/26/updating-star-cloud-pcg02u-to-ubuntu-16-04-with-wifi-and-hdmi-audio-support/ |
| 05:18.24 | the8thbit | When I plug in a wired usb mouse, it lights up for a couple of seconds, and then goes blank again, and at no point does it take control of the cursor. How do I fix this, assuming it isnt an issue with the mouse itself? |
| 05:19.26 | Lacho1 | RoyK: yeap |
| 05:19.42 | OerHeks | the8thbit, did you plug it in a USB3 port? (blue) |
| 05:19.45 | Lacho1 | tune2fs -l /dev/mapper/vg00-optlv | grep acl |
| 05:19.45 | Lacho1 | Default mount options: user_xattr acl |
| 05:20.14 | RoyK | Lacho: not sure - perhaps try #samba |
| 05:20.23 | the8thbit | OerHeks: No, I dont think so |
| 05:20.26 | the8thbit | I tried every port |
| 05:20.59 | Lacho | RoyK: ehmm, ok...but the problem seems to level SO |
| 05:21.39 | RoyK | SO? |
| 05:22.31 | Lacho | sorry, operating system |
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| 05:23.20 | the8thbit | OerHeks: Every 10 seconds the mouse flashes twice when plugged in |
| 05:23.25 | Lacho | SO means "sistema operativo" in Spanish |
| 05:23.41 | OerHeks | the8thbit, then i have no idea :-( |
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| 05:26.48 | RoyK | Lacho: ah :) |
| 05:27.37 | RoyK | Lacho: why do you think it's an OS issue? |
| 05:28.36 | Lacho | that does not work with any FS |
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| 05:31.08 | varun_ | the8thbit, does the same usb mouse work with other systems? Have you tested? |
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| 05:31.56 | isded | I tried installing Arch years ago to many install hangups, but I want to try Linux again... Would Debian be a good choice? |
| 05:33.11 | varun_ | isded, if you are on the stage of 'trying linux' yet, then probably debian won't be a good choice for you. |
| 05:33.40 | isded | What makes you say that? |
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| 05:35.14 | jim_carry | Is it necessary to `enable` `.timer` files in systemd |
| 05:35.22 | varun_ | isded, because it assumes a certain level of familiarity with Linux, to work without troubles on modern hardware. Takes some manual configuration to be really useful for daily use. |
| 05:36.26 | RoyK | varun_: hehe - what would be better? ubuntu? centos? slackware? |
| 05:37.02 | varun_ | RoyK, I think most of the new comers like Mint :) |
| 05:37.16 | RoyK | isded: please ignore varun_ - debian is a good place to start at least if on a server |
| 05:37.35 | RoyK | varun_: people don't learn a lot by using a fancy gui |
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| 05:38.21 | varun_ | RoyK, I did. Got my daily work done, while letting me learn insides when I had the time and mood |
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| 05:38.47 | isded | I used CrunchBang for months a while back and it was great, I'm thinking that Debian would be a nice next logical step |
| 05:39.15 | RoyK | varun_: you get your work done on debian too |
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| 05:39.21 | isded | But installing Arch is something else even with the wiki |
| 05:39.52 | RoyK | just use gentoo - learn it the hard way :D |
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| 05:40.45 | isded | no thanks haha |
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| 05:45.10 | snfgf | i cannot find kernel sources on my distribution |
| 05:45.40 | snfgf | only headers |
| 05:45.43 | snfgf | where are sources |
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| 05:46.10 | RoyK | snfgf: apt-cache search linux-source |
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| 06:10.00 | quantomworks | im lonely as fuck. how do i get this to run on ARM raspberry pi https://github.com/tomlandia/fuckr |
| 06:10.09 | quantomworks | says i need nodewebkit |
| 06:10.35 | quantomworks | but it doesnt show up in sudo apt search |
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| 07:19.51 | |aaron | so i just added a new network interface, reboot and my pre-existing interface doesnt come up (i only see 'lo' in ifconfig) ? |
| 07:20.24 | |aaron | by added i mean install the driver, it was a mellanox connectx-2, everything seemed to go fine and i do indeed have a new eth# device |
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| 07:21.10 | |aaron | nothing in messages at all |
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| 07:27.47 | google77 | hi |
| 07:28.00 | google77 | when can I expect current testing to become stable? |
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| 07:28.11 | spacebug^ | Hi all. I woke up today and tried to play using clementine (clementine nad spotify client are always opened). I then got a lot of these http://pastebin.com/puGY35BA and it would not play until I closed clementine and spotify and reopened them. Don't know if the problem is within pulseaudio, spotify client, or clementine? |
| 07:28.32 | bezaban | google77: nothing has been announced, but the aim is about 2 years between each stable |
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| 07:29.31 | google77 | bezaban, so less than a year... |
| 07:29.53 | google77 | meaning in a few months testing is gonna start getting more and more freezed. |
| 07:29.55 | bezaban | google77: stretch will go into a feature freeze preparing for release and that will be about 6 months from then, but it is not a strict schedule |
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| 07:31.10 | bezaban | so yeah, possibly spring 2017 |
| 07:31.29 | bezaban | but I wouldn't place any bets |
| 07:31.31 | google77 | what to do if a virtual package is in stable and unstable but not in testing? |
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| 07:35.03 | google77 | look what I found: |
| 07:35.10 | google77 | http://ask.debian.net/ |
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| 07:52.01 | consus | Hi guys |
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| 07:54.12 | consus | Does debian remove some keymaps from console-data? |
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| 07:56.10 | consus | I can a lot more maps here: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/legion/kbd.git/tree/data/keymaps/i386/qwerty?h=1.15 than I have on my debian system |
| 07:56.14 | consus | *can see |
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| 08:22.09 | dionysus69 | I am backing up rsync dir |
| 08:22.19 | dionysus69 | what flags should I use? -r or -a? or anything else? |
| 08:22.29 | dionysus69 | home dir I mean, with rsync |
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| 08:23.55 | missmbob | dionysus69: -a |
| 08:24.04 | dionysus69 | ok thanks |
| 08:24.05 | dionysus69 | :) |
| 08:24.25 | babilen | dionysus69: I'd use something like dirvish -- You don't need -r if you specify -a as that includes "-r" already |
| 08:24.50 | dionysus69 | sounds good but what is dirvish? |
| 08:25.05 | babilen | -a is equivalent to -rlptgoD |
| 08:25.10 | babilen | dpkg: dirvish |
| 08:25.10 | dpkg | Dirvish is a fast, disk based, rotating network backup system. With dirvish you can maintain a set of complete images of your filesystems with unattended creation and expiration. A dirvish backup vault is like a time machine for your data. http://www.dirvish.org/ #dirvish on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 08:27.10 | bezaban | also rdiff-backup, but dirvish sounds interesting |
| 08:28.07 | babilen | Yeah, there are a number of tools (rdiff-backup, rsnapshot, dirvish, duplicity, ...) |
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| 08:29.23 | babilen | Which reminds me that I wanted to test liw's backup tool obnam and bup |
| 08:29.55 | babilen | Out of the earlier ones I prefer dirvish, but obnam and bup might be worth a look |
| 08:29.58 | jelly | what, no borg? |
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| 08:30.33 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world |
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| 08:30.42 | missmbob | i've never seen a reason to use anything other than basic rsync |
| 08:30.44 | dionysus69 | I use clonezilla for a solution like that |
| 08:30.47 | dionysus69 | but I ll try dirvish |
| 08:31.01 | bezaban | I've been using a wrapper script for rdiff-backup for years, maybe about time to shop around |
| 08:31.15 | bezaban | but then again it does just work |
| 08:31.31 | babilen | jelly: Haven't used it .. is it worth learning/investigating? |
| 08:31.59 | jelly | two orders of magnitude faster than obnam for some stuff |
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| 08:32.48 | jelly | (but that really says more about obnam at the time that comparison was done, it's been 2-3 years now) |
| 08:33.02 | babilen | Are you using it? |
| 08:33.07 | babilen | (borg that is) |
| 08:33.12 | jelly | nope |
| 08:33.20 | dionysus69 | dirvish configuration looked like an abomination I just removed it |
| 08:33.26 | babilen | haha |
| 08:33.34 | jelly | I'm extremely conservative about backup systems |
| 08:33.50 | jelly | dirvish is just a (decent) rsync wrapper |
| 08:34.02 | babilen | Yeah, which is why I mentioned it |
| 08:34.09 | dionysus69 | well it doesnt make stuff easier |
| 08:34.15 | jelly | been using that one for a decade probably |
| 08:34.18 | dionysus69 | with that same energy I would become an rsync pro |
| 08:34.35 | dionysus69 | and know all flags byheart |
| 08:34.37 | jelly | dionysus69, it does take care of expiry |
| 08:34.38 | missmbob | -a. pro. done. no wrapper needed |
| 08:34.40 | babilen | And then you would still have to write scripts akin to dirvish :) |
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| 08:35.32 | jelly | "30 copies daily backup, 3 months weeklies, 12 months monthlies" is very easy to set up in dirvish |
| 08:36.02 | babilen | (and unlike rsnapshot it doesn't go bonkers if you miss some backups) |
| 08:36.17 | jelly | eh it does get a bit confused with expiries |
| 08:36.52 | jelly | maybe I'd like to have that 2016-08-02 backup retained for a year if 2016-08-01 failed |
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| 08:37.09 | jelly | but no, no August 2016 for me |
| 08:43.36 | jelly | babilen, borg backup is reasonably performant among the free dedup-storage-system options; possible issues: no promises stable repo format or ability to fsck it when things go wrong |
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| 08:44.09 | donoban | Hi, I noticed some upgrades of openjdk, is it installed by default? how can I check if it has some reverse dependency and if not remove it? |
| 08:45.16 | jelly | AFAIR its parent, Attic, makes stronger promises about format forward compatibility |
| 08:45.37 | jelly | donoban, "aptitude why packagename" |
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| 08:45.55 | donoban | ty |
| 08:46.46 | donoban | libreoffice lol |
| 08:47.50 | donoban | ok ty jelly |
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| 08:49.15 | donoban | I end with task-mate-desktop as a suggestion for task-desktop or something like this |
| 08:49.42 | donoban | could I remove it without removing mate? and let libreoffice and opendjk to be autoremoved? |
| 08:50.11 | missmbob | sure. task = meta... |
| 08:50.24 | missmbob | !metapackage |
| 08:50.25 | dpkg | from memory, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 08:51.02 | donoban | uhM, removing task-desktop will remove all desktop and X |
| 08:51.20 | jelly | donoban, probably not. do you have disk space issues? |
| 08:51.27 | donoban | no I don't |
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| 08:51.40 | donoban | if I try to do: apt-get remove task-desktop |
| 08:51.46 | babilen | jelly: Not sure I like that .. any idea about borg in comparison to bup? |
| 08:51.53 | missmbob | donoban: it wont |
| 08:51.57 | donoban | packages like, xserver-xorg-video-sisusb xserver-xorg-video-tdfx xserver-xorg-video-trident xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vmware zenity zenity-commo are selected as autoremove |
| 08:52.32 | missmbob | do you need those? |
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| 08:52.48 | donoban | I need a desktop, but not libreoffice or java |
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| 08:53.02 | missmbob | nothing about that looks terrible to me |
| 08:53.13 | donoban | and.. |
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| 08:53.59 | donoban | lightdm lightdm-gtk-greeter xorg xserver-common xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core |
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| 08:54.02 | donoban | it will remove X |
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| 08:55.34 | Sayona | Hello, how I change the time of my debian? |
| 08:55.37 | Sayona | and zone |
| 08:55.48 | jelly | babilen, nope. You probably found http://librelist.com/browser/attic/2015/3/31/comparison-of-attic-vs-bup-vs-obnam/ already |
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| 08:56.38 | schmidta | Sayona: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 08:56.51 | donoban | well, I will let both java and libreoffice live ^^ |
| 08:56.58 | Sayona | thanks |
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| 09:00.44 | babilen | jelly: I haven't. Ta! |
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| 09:01.54 | babilen | jelly: Oh dear .. that doesn't sound promising |
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| 09:17.19 | colo-hockn | whoa, is this for real? |
| 09:17.26 | colo-hockn | OpenSSL 1.0.2h-1~bpo8+1 in Jessie-backports? |
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| 09:18.13 | missmbob | ,v openssl |
| 09:18.14 | judd | Package: openssl on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security-lts: 0.9.8o-4squeeze23; wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u21; jessie-security: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u5; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 1.0.2h-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.0.2h-1; stretch: 1.0.2h-1; experimental: 1.1.0~pre5-5 |
| 09:18.18 | missmbob | colo-hockn: it's read |
| 09:18.27 | colo-hockn | nginx-full from bpo pulls this in as a dep. will this not break other packages, depending on 1.0.1? |
| 09:18.42 | missmbob | shouldn't |
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| 09:53.41 | blood | so many people |
| 09:55.34 | google77 | too bad that they are almost all idle |
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| 09:59.41 | blood | hello |
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| 09:59.49 | blood | any body? |
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| 10:00.56 | blood | ADDBUTTON |
| 10:01.26 | google77 | hi |
| 10:01.31 | s0lid2 | Anybody got solution to following issue with new debian stretch netinstall cds: throws me to install menu at "configure the package manager". System is a VM on KVM |
| 10:01.31 | teraflops | ಠ_ಠ|
| 10:02.10 | s0lid2 | I've tried weekly and daily builds, same thing happens |
| 10:03.10 | google77 | s0lid2 it is best to install testing by downloading stable, changing your sources.lst to testing and then update and upgrade |
| 10:03.47 | teraflops | s0lid2: do you have internet there, maybe a proxy? if not, try with a jessie iso, install barebones and dist-upgrade to testing |
| 10:04.09 | google77 | the testing netinstall is not meant to be used to install testing, it is meant to test the netinstaller while it is still in development. |
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| 10:06.29 | s0lid2 | teraflops: internet works, no proxies. already tested internet to work from the command line |
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| 10:07.26 | s0lid2 | google77: that's interesting statement since the netinstaller part does not work |
| 10:07.39 | teraflops | s0lid2: so you pick a debian mirror and it just quits? |
| 10:07.53 | s0lid2 | doesn't even get that far |
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| 10:08.30 | google77 | s0lid2, yeah the netinstall testing image is only there for development purposes. It is not meant to be stable. |
| 10:08.35 | google77 | or even used by users |
| 10:09.15 | google77 | The best way to install testing ATM is to install stable and upgrade to testing |
| 10:09.45 | s0lid2 | which is a bother when using bunch of VMs |
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| 10:10.29 | rozie | google77: or use debootstrap |
| 10:10.34 | blood | which channel is interesting |
| 10:10.51 | s0lid2 | teraflops: quits right after scanning the CD-ROM |
| 10:11.04 | blood | the ATM using debian? |
| 10:11.16 | blood | not windows? |
| 10:11.18 | rozie | s0lid2: if you have many machines, consider ansible/puppet/chef |
| 10:11.38 | teraflops | rozie: overkill? |
| 10:11.44 | rozie | or just install base once image once and use it as... base |
| 10:12.23 | s0lid2 | rozie: yeah, already using ansible |
| 10:12.28 | rozie | teraflops: well, not? if he has a problem with installation then upgrade (which is like 5 commands...) |
| 10:12.30 | teraflops | s0lid2: do you have a firewall in the host? do you do nat or bridge? |
| 10:12.41 | teraflops | rozie: really? ok man |
| 10:13.13 | rozie | then he must have a lot of machines |
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| 10:13.56 | s0lid2 | teraflops: firewalling and nat is done off the host at the edge of network |
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| 10:14.36 | s0lid2 | and outgoing traffic is mostly allowed |
| 10:14.47 | teraflops | s0lid2: better try with a jessie iso, if the issue persists if about your network or just pebcak |
| 10:15.58 | teraflops | rozie: well he didn't say anithung about ansible till now, but do you really believe recommending puppet for a single machine is fine? |
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| 10:17.00 | teraflops | ansible/puppet/chef* |
| 10:17.35 | s0lid2 | and already i knew that i can update from jessie to testing |
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| 10:18.16 | teraflops | rozie: oh wait im dumb and I misread it, my apologies |
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| 10:21.33 | s0lid2 | oh well debian-stretch-DI-alpha7-amd64-netinst.iso worked |
| 10:22.54 | teraflops | s0lid2: installing a barebones jessie and dist-upgrading it is fast as hell, I bet you already had the machine working doing that way |
| 10:23.16 | teraflops | unless you have a really shitty connection |
| 10:24.42 | s0lid2 | decent 100/10 |
| 10:25.00 | teraflops | yeah |
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| 10:27.38 | pikaro | is there a way to exclude a package from dist-upgrade? I've got some locally compiled ones that I don't want to have upgraded (mainly compiz), but dist-upgrade still tries to force them on me even if the package status is 'hold'. with just upgrade, large parts of the system would stay unchanged. |
| 10:28.46 | FinalX | you can pin packages |
| 10:28.47 | teraflops | well debian allows partial upgrades no idea about partial dist-upgrades ^ |
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| 10:32.24 | pikaro | FinalX, how to pin 'locally compiled'? I already do that with repos, but I can't find anything on local packages on google |
| 10:34.20 | rozie | s0lid2: if you have more machines, it may be wise to install base, obtain IP from DHCP, then configure with ansible |
| 10:34.41 | rozie | teraflops: np :-) |
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| 10:50.23 | quantomworks | How do I build this https://github.com/LeonardLaszlo/nw.js-armv7-binaries |
| 10:50.33 | quantomworks | its nodewebbuilder for arm |
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| 10:50.45 | quantomworks | the 15 or v14 is the one im after |
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| 11:01.23 | quantomworks | someone halp :( |
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| 11:31.08 | DexterF | hi |
| 11:31.43 | DexterF | in debian8, what browser can I use to have flash? I'll need chrome from an external resource, I guess? |
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| 11:46.13 | Epakai | chromium will do flash, just install pepperflashplugin-nonfree from contrib |
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| 11:47.17 | Epakai | flashplugin-nonfree installs adobe's flash that firefox and probably some other browsers will use |
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| 12:09.46 | paul987 | hello |
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| 12:33.17 | indistylo | How do we check after doing "apt-cache policy ntp" that 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u7 this package is installed |
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| 12:33.58 | indistylo | specific question I have in mind how to check +deb7u7 is installed from repo |
| 12:35.20 | angor | indistylo: I have Installed: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2 and Candidate: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2 |
| 12:35.26 | Gabs5807 | indistylo: i think the command also show what version from what repository is installed .. |
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| 12:35.57 | angor | he uses squeeze |
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| 12:36.16 | angor | oh... sorry..wheezy? |
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| 12:37.19 | Gabs5807 | yes deb7 is wheezy |
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| 12:38.40 | Gabs5807 | deb -l 'ntp*' should also show the installed version (?). |
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| 12:39.11 | Gabs5807 | ^dpkg ..^ |
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| 12:43.23 | Gabs5807 | ii ntp 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2 amd64 |
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| 12:44.34 | Gabs5807 | you have to pipe it into less to get the full version :-( .. |
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| 12:55.37 | kamild1996 | Hey, I noticed that sometimes my Debian's desktop will turn black, turning the file names invisible but leaving the icons visible. Seems to be happening randomly. Ideas? |
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| 13:06.39 | weyfonk | kamild1996, what desktop environment are you using? |
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| 13:10.22 | kamild1996 | It's LXDE, weyfonk |
| 13:11.45 | rozie | kamild1996: are you on Jessie? |
| 13:12.07 | rozie | I'd blame unstable lxde or GPU drivers |
| 13:12.40 | rozie | have LXDE on several machines (stable, unstable), no such problem |
| 13:13.15 | kamild1996 | It's Jessie, yes |
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| 13:13.30 | kamild1996 | It's running proprietary NVidia drivers right now. |
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| 13:21.11 | Fr_Dae | rozie i use Lxde too on my debian , and Lubuntu on my work-laptop |
| 13:21.14 | Fr_Dae | =) |
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| 13:29.47 | Leonardo_0112 | I've downloaded firefox in moved it to /opt in my Debian 8.4. I've created a .desktop lauch in /usr/share/applications, but when I launch it, Debian insist in open Firefox ESR icon in left dock panel (Gnome 3), my original Firefox icon is not active. How can I fix it? |
| 13:29.55 | Leonardo_0112 | *and |
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| 13:31.37 | Fr_Dae | why do you don't just "apt install firefox" ? |
| 13:31.49 | Fr_Dae | and right clic on appbare for add firefox icone ? |
| 13:32.11 | eugenmayer | hello, i am trying to package my java. Using fakeroot make-jpkg server-jre-8u101-linux-x64.tar.gz i still get the warning that i should use fakeroot. All the docs i found actually do exactly that. Did something change? Using jessie |
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| 13:32.45 | Fr_Dae | .tar.gz => alien -.tar.gz |
| 13:32.47 | eugenmayer | http://pastie.org/10930848 |
| 13:32.50 | Fr_Dae | alien - k |
| 13:32.56 | Fr_Dae | =) |
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| 13:37.11 | Leonardo_0112 | Fr_Dae: you mean "sudo apt-get install firefox-esr"? is it? |
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| 13:38.56 | Fr_Dae | no just apt install on userroot or root terminal |
| 13:38.56 | babilen | judd: v firefox |
| 13:38.57 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 47.0.1-1~bpo80+1; sid: 48.0-1 |
| 13:39.00 | babilen | Leonardo_0112: ^ |
| 13:39.03 | Fr_Dae | you can't install nothing in user debian |
| 13:39.09 | Fr_Dae | and sudo don't work |
| 13:39.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell Leonardo_0112 -about jessie-backports |
| 13:39.20 | Fr_Dae | and -get isn't nessesary enymore |
| 13:39.29 | Lionyx | Hello guys! 3rd time trying to solve this... :(... i wanna install python3-sympy, that is avaiable on sid, i'm using jessie. something went wrong when i ran apt-get to install it, I guess it failed to meet the dependeces. |
| 13:39.40 | Fr_Dae | debian 8 or ubun tu 14.04, juste apt with progress bar and color |
| 13:39.52 | Fr_Dae | so just apt |
| 13:40.06 | babilen | Lionyx: You *really* shouldn't mix stable with unstable (jessie with sid) |
| 13:40.30 | babilen | Lionyx: What do you need sympy for? |
| 13:40.45 | Lionyx | babilen: all I need is the dam sympy working with python3. Is there any other way to install it? I need a CAS inside python. :) |
| 13:41.05 | Fr_Dae | Leonardo_0112 i don't know the difference btw firefox and firefox esr sorry |
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| 13:42.06 | Leonardo_0112 | firefox is on a higher version |
| 13:42.15 | Leonardo_0112 | 48, i think |
| 13:42.18 | babilen | Lionyx: I understand, but what are you trying to do with it? Just run a few commands in a Python shell? |
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| 13:42.28 | TomTomTosch | Lionyx: you can install sympy in a virtualenv using pip. |
| 13:42.31 | Leonardo_0112 | esr is on 45, i guess |
| 13:43.02 | Lionyx | Leonardo_0112: 45.2.0 |
| 13:43.08 | babilen | Lionyx: You might want to look into virtualenv, virtualenvwrapper and pip. Don't run pip as root, but install it in user scope or, better, in a virtualenv. |
| 13:43.24 | Lionyx | OK. I'll take a look at it |
| 13:43.47 | babilen | Lionyx: Depending on what you want to actually achieve that might or might not be the best approach (hence my question before giving advice) |
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| 13:44.04 | Leonardo_0112 | Lionyx: I'm web developer, so new firefox inspect element features are very welcome, lol |
| 13:44.16 | Chunkyz | when is debian allowing the use of LXQT in it's OS? and when is the new debian coming out? |
| 13:44.25 | babilen | Leonardo_0112: You can get 47 from backports, is that current enough? |
| 13:44.36 | Chunkyz | LXDE seems to lag more than LXQT imo |
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| 13:45.14 | babilen | Leonardo_0112: Which release channel do you want/need? (beta, aurora, ...) |
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| 13:45.31 | miesco | hI HOW DO i TURN CAPSLOCK OFF? |
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| 13:45.42 | eugenmayer | anybody familiar with the issue 'dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: can't extract name and version from library name 'libjli.so'' when trying to build a java package with java-package? |
| 13:45.46 | TomTomTosch | Chunkyz: there is package for LXQT in testing, so probably with the next release, which will probably come sometime mid 2017. |
| 13:45.53 | Leonardo_0112 | Chunkyz: I prefer version 48 |
| 13:46.06 | pmarkoulidakis | Stretch is to be full freeze on 2017-02-05 |
| 13:46.16 | babilen | Leonardo_0112: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 13:46.22 | Leonardo_0112 | babilen: I just downloaded from officail web site, |
| 13:46.23 | Chunkyz | TomTomTosch, cheers. I use debian with my odroid and lxde installed, i'd prefer lxqt. |
| 13:46.25 | babilen | judd: v firefox-aurora |
| 13:46.27 | judd | No package named 'firefox-aurora' was found in amd64. |
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| 13:46.43 | Chunkyz | Leonardo_0112, ? |
| 13:46.53 | babilen | Leonardo_0112: That isn't supported in Debian |
| 13:47.03 | babilen | Well .. at least not by us |
| 13:47.27 | Chunkyz | thanks pmarkoulidakis |
| 13:47.30 | Leonardo_0112 | babilen: OK |
| 13:47.45 | Leonardo_0112 | I'll try http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 13:49.03 | Leonardo_0112 | babilen: Is http://mozilla.debian.net the "right" way to install firefox on Debian? |
| 13:49.42 | babilen | Leonardo_0112: It is a sensible approach |
| 13:49.55 | miesco | nevermind I got it |
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| 13:51.23 | Leonardo_0112 | babilen: Ok, thanks a lot! |
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| 14:07.13 | DexterF | Epakai: ah, package, thought it was in the browser package, thanks |
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| 14:11.34 | iLogic | hey guys |
| 14:12.56 | iLogic | if i have an external hd on fstab it must be connected on boot time otherwise it goes into safe mode right? can i change that behavior and just throw a warning or something? |
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| 14:35.35 | consus | Guys? |
| 14:35.55 | Chunkyz | sup consus |
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| 14:36.39 | consus | I just lurked through /usr/share/keymaps (jessie) and can't find some maps that I can see in kbd's git repo |
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| 14:37.10 | consus | Like ruwin_alt-UTF-8 |
| 14:37.49 | consus | Does debian removes it or something? |
| 14:37.58 | consus | I have both kbd and console-data packages installed |
| 14:38.27 | iLogic | ok i got it: nofail |
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| 14:40.34 | consus | Oh I see |
| 14:40.40 | consus | console-data is nine years outdated |
| 14:40.53 | consus | -____- |
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| 14:44.56 | consus | And there is a bug reported in 2011 |
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| 14:45.43 | dvs | we'll stop you! ;-) |
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| 15:47.30 | jim_carry | how to enable more then one `ExecStart=` in .service file. systemd |
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| 16:18.08 | jmcnaught | jim_carry: take a look at the systemd.service manpage. Not sure what you're trying to do, but there are directives like ExecStartPre. Also are you using Debian now, or still Arch? |
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| 16:24.24 | aimless | Hi - I need your help in insallation of "actual" packages... sounds very strange but if I update the package list by means of 'apt-get update' and install a package like the kdenlive, I get an elder version. I use the mirror from ETHZ in Switzerland. |
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| 16:27.22 | aimless | In sources.list I've the following entries: \n deb http://debian.ethz.ch/debian jessie main contrib non-free |
| 16:27.36 | aimless | also the same for deb-src... |
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| 16:27.47 | hanasaki | would you please look at this debian posting about dovecot and imaps certs and post a response if you can help? Thank you! http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=129372 |
| 16:29.02 | tremon | !tell aimless about bat |
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| 16:39.18 | aimless | sry, I lost the ethernet connection... |
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| 16:42.58 | jhutchins | aimless: So the version you're getting is older than what? |
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| 16:43.52 | tremon | aimless: did you still get the pm from dpkg about how to provide us more information? |
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| 16:44.51 | aimless | jhutchins: the version I get is older than the current release. |
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| 16:46.34 | aimless | I've checked the installed package version by means of dpkg -l |
| 16:47.24 | tremon | the current release is jessie (debian 8.5). What you're getting is older than that? |
| 16:48.22 | jhutchins | ,v kdenlive |
| 16:48.26 | judd | Package: kdenlive on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.8-1; wheezy: 0.9.2-2; jessie: 0.9.10-2; stretch: 16.04.3-1; sid: 16.04.3-1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:0.9.6-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.9.10-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:16.04.3-dmo1 |
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| 16:49.31 | aimless | so, the debian I've installed is jessie, but the insalled kdenlive version is 0.9.10-2 |
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| 16:50.47 | aimless | and that's the elder version than the current release, 16.04.3-1 |
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| 16:51.15 | aimless | aha, but then it is the newes... |
| 16:51.19 | YarpUser123 | hey guyssss |
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| 16:51.41 | jhutchins | aimless: Debian package version != upstream package version. This will always be true. |
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| 16:53.24 | jim_carry | jmcnaught: part time debian |
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| 16:54.13 | tremon | aimless: it's just not how debian works. Debian jessie was released over a year ago (and frozen half a year earlier). Once released, newer package versions are never introduced in that release. |
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| 16:55.42 | tremon | newer version do appear in debian testing, and some get backported and appear in jessie-backports. But kdenlive isn't backported |
| 16:56.53 | aimless | jhutchins: ok, nice to know. But to compile opencv with the arm toolchain the arm-linux-gnueabihf-gxx-4.6 (xx stands for ++ and cc) is needed. I get this error even I've just installed the binutils-arm-linux-gnueabihf package that is of version 2.25-5 |
| 16:58.03 | aimless | btw, I thought debian is a rolling-release... |
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| 17:00.00 | aimless | tremon: aha, so if a debian has been released once, never packages can't be installed, even if they would be available? |
| 17:00.01 | tremon | debian stable isn't rolling, but debian testing /might be/ considered a rolling release. It strictly isn't, because once every two years, testing gets frozen to prepare for the new stable |
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| 17:02.40 | jhutchins | aimless: Bugfixes usually get patched into the older package and updated. If there is a significant new feature, the package may be backported. |
| 17:02.46 | tremon | aimless: well... no one is preventing you from installing newer packages on your machine. But Debian stable doesn't /offer/ any new package versions once it is released (only bugfixes) |
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| 17:03.18 | jhutchins | aimless: Debian is well tested and patched and very stable. It's good for people who need their computer as a tool to reliably do work. |
| 17:03.32 | tremon | ,check-backport kdenlive |
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| 17:03.47 | jhutchins | aimless: It's frankly not meant for people who want the latest bleeding edge packages, bugs and all, and who don't mind fixing stuff when it breaks. |
| 17:04.15 | judd | Backporting package kdenlive in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libmlt-dev (>= 0.9.8), libmlt++-dev (>= 0.9.8), extra-cmake-modules, kdoctools-dev, kio-dev, libkf5archive-dev, libkf5bookmarks-dev, libkf5config-dev, libkf5configwidgets-dev, libkf5coreaddons-dev, libkf5dbusaddons-dev, libkf5guiaddons-dev, libkf5iconthemes-dev, libkf5newstuff-dev, |
| 17:04.16 | judd | libkf5filemetadata-dev, libkf5crash-dev, libkf5notifications-dev, libkf5notifyconfig-dev, libkf5plotting-dev, libkf5textwidgets-dev, libkf5widgetsaddons-dev, libkf5xmlgui-dev. |
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| 17:05.24 | tremon | aimless: ^^ in the case of kdenlive, you would basically need to backport much of de kde suite to get a newer version onto jessie. |
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| 17:06.46 | aimless | tremon: yes, I've seen. It's also not a very important thing. I was just wondering as on arch a newer version is available. |
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| 17:07.11 | jhutchins | aimless: Right, which is one reason arch != debian. |
| 17:07.31 | jhutchins | aimless: arch tends to track the versions that are in testing (stretch). |
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| 17:08.13 | tremon | basically, with debian, if you want the newest, shiniest shit, you need to run testing or unstable. That works fine most of the time, but it occasionally breaks |
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| 17:08.42 | aimless | jhutchins: :-) yes of course. And that's even the reason why I installed debian on my desktop - it is stable... |
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| 17:17.26 | jhutchins | There's always Gentoo. |
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| 18:10.06 | allamoox | HEllo |
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| 18:11.04 | allamoox | hello |
| 18:11.06 | allamoox | http://pastebin.com/5G2HRVn1 |
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| 18:11.19 | allamoox | Any one please can help me with this? as i have no clue what happened and what is this |
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| 18:11.52 | baraba | debian? |
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| 18:12.46 | baraba | were you messing with apt sources allamoox ? |
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| 18:13.47 | allamoox | baraba: It was something very weired .. as when I was trying lsb_release -a |
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| 18:14.17 | allamoox | IT was giving me ubuntu lts server and I thought I have ubuntu .. but now when I restarted into rescue mode I found the source.list with debian |
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| 18:14.37 | mtn | !ubuntu |
| 18:14.37 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 18:14.55 | baraba | you don't know what you installed, allamoox? |
| 18:14.57 | allamoox | mnt but its debian |
| 18:15.23 | mtn | allamoox: not if lsb_release give you ubuntu |
| 18:15.26 | allamoox | baraba: its a vps i used and an admin used to mess with the OS... so I didnot got a clear view about it tell this problem happened |
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| 18:15.46 | baraba | paste your apt/sources.list* |
| 18:15.48 | allamoox | mtn it was a mistake from lsbrelease I think someone messed with the vps |
| 18:15.50 | allamoox | ok baraba |
| 18:16.17 | missmbob | allamoox: apt-get install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring then apt-get update |
| 18:16.20 | mtn | allamoox: no way it would say ubuntu if it was debian |
| 18:16.27 | allamoox | http://pastie.org/10931143 |
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| 18:16.43 | allamoox | Very wiered wheezy and jessie |
| 18:17.22 | baraba | yeah, very weird, I suggest you fix those sources |
| 18:17.32 | baraba | decide which one you want to use |
| 18:17.36 | baraba | stable, testing or unstable |
| 18:18.01 | baraba | which VPS is it? |
| 18:18.05 | allamoox | missmbob: done .. now im trying apt-get update |
| 18:18.17 | allamoox | http://pastie.org/10931146 |
| 18:18.35 | missmbob | allamoox: yeah yeah restart |
| 18:18.40 | allamoox | If I reboot i will not be able to login again as Im in rescue mod |
| 18:18.57 | allamoox | missmbob: but If I reboot I will not be to login again .. Can I reboot at the end? |
| 18:18.57 | missmbob | allamoox: the services. which will be automatic. not reboot |
| 18:19.02 | allamoox | baraba: ovh |
| 18:19.17 | allamoox | missmbob: aha Thank you very much |
| 18:19.34 | hiyo | can someone help me fix my iptables-persistent? |
| 18:21.19 | missmbob | !tell hiyo about iptables-restore |
| 18:21.35 | missmbob | the wiki the bot just msg'd you about has examples |
| 18:21.57 | allamoox | baraba: in my Control panel it says Ubuntu 12.04 Server (64 bits) |
| 18:22.01 | allamoox | Im really confused |
| 18:22.03 | up2late | !tell up2late about iptables-restore |
| 18:22.11 | allamoox | now Ami debian or ubuntu |
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| 18:22.46 | hiyo | missmbob: okay thank you reading now |
| 18:23.37 | allamoox | missmbob: http://pastie.org/10931153 Should I choose default |
| 18:23.42 | allamoox | or new |
| 18:24.12 | missmbob | allamoox: N for "keep your currently installed version" |
| 18:24.19 | hiyo | missmbob: okay so what I'm getting at is that iptables-persistent no longer sets up the inits scripts to reload your rules on startup, you have to do that manually? |
| 18:24.27 | allamoox | missmbob: But the problem is when Im not in rescue mode I get connection refused |
| 18:24.31 | missmbob | hiyo: yeah |
| 18:24.34 | allamoox | You got my point? |
| 18:25.07 | hiyo | missmbob: well that's a bit annoying, but finally glad to have found the fix |
| 18:25.23 | missmbob | allamoox: i didn't read that. i just saw your key problem. it's really impossible for me to guess since i don't know if you're even on debian. i guess install the maintainer's version then |
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| 18:30.14 | allamoox | Now... to be 100% sure im on debian or ubuntu ... what should I do |
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| 18:30.22 | allamoox | lsb_release sayying ubuntu |
| 18:30.28 | allamoox | the source lis saying debian |
| 18:30.51 | missmbob | when your lsb_release says ubuntu but sources say debian...i'd say frankendebian |
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| 18:30.55 | missmbob | !frankendebian |
| 18:30.55 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 18:30.57 | mtn | 100% broken |
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| 18:31.11 | missmbob | i you could i'd reinstall |
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| 18:32.37 | missmbob | if* |
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| 18:33.11 | allamoox | missmbob: I understand but I had no backup.. and its a bit complicated.. so reinstall atm is not an option |
| 18:33.22 | baraba | allamoox, use ubuntu repos |
| 18:34.19 | allamoox | baraba: which distro even I should even use |
| 18:34.22 | `Kevin | baraba: i dont see how you can suggest that without knowing what state the system is in |
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| 18:34.25 | missmbob | anyway like the bot says...it's really impossible for us to help you. |
| 18:34.26 | allamoox | Thank you for help guys |
| 18:34.46 | allamoox | ok |
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| 18:34.53 | allamoox | let me try to figure what Im |
| 18:34.59 | baraba | it's obviously ubuntu `Kevin |
| 18:35.23 | baraba | somebody messed with the sources |
| 18:35.42 | baraba | if lsb_release and control panel say ubuntu, then it probably is |
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| 18:36.03 | `Kevin | baraba: and you dont know if they installed a bunch of things from debian skewing deps |
| 18:36.50 | baraba | they might have, yeah |
| 18:37.37 | baraba | maybe there is a better way to do what you want to do allamoox |
| 18:37.49 | baraba | maybe a fresh install would be better |
| 18:38.20 | baraba | backup what you need, and reinstall |
| 18:38.40 | allamoox | baraba: Im doing my best now |
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| 18:40.04 | baraba | can you do apt-cache dump allamoox |
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| 18:41.32 | allamoox | very bad :( brute forcer |
| 18:41.34 | allamoox | http://pastebin.com/KWdjEACT |
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| 18:42.02 | allamoox | any way im getting the output of apt-cache dump now baraba one minute |
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| 18:42.09 | `Kevin | allamoox: thats common :P |
| 18:42.29 | missmbob | allamoox: don't worry about sshd |
| 18:43.15 | baraba | allamoox, are you doing something shady? |
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| 18:45.39 | mtn | mainly he is in the wrong channel ;) |
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| 18:46.31 | allamoox | baraba: the file is very big so I > to file but I cant upload it anywhere |
| 18:46.39 | baraba | forget about that, allamoox |
| 18:46.44 | baraba | run |
| 18:46.50 | missmbob | there really isn't a channel for what he needs :/ start backing up like crazy and reinstall is all we can really say |
| 18:46.51 | baraba | apt list --installed |
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| 18:56.16 | allamoox | baraba: https://transfer.sh/11sPl8/allamoox.txt |
| 18:56.20 | jhutchins | baraba: That would be the same as dpkg -l right? |
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| 18:56.52 | allamoox | Here is the apt-cache dump results. |
| 18:56.53 | baraba | not really jhutchins |
| 18:57.09 | baraba | allamoox, apt list --installed, that's a small file |
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| 18:57.49 | baraba | jhutchins, this has repo in it |
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| 19:00.02 | missmbob | allamoox: yeah you definitely have a mix of debian/ubuntu. you have hundreds of ubuntu references in what you pasted |
| 19:00.32 | missmbob | allamoox: it's not possible to run a server like that. the sercurity risks alone...it's fucked |
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| 19:01.17 | allamoox | missmbob: I understand ...I would like to fix it , now Im trying to backup my files |
| 19:01.27 | allamoox | but for curiousty sake I wanna be able to fix it |
| 19:01.47 | missmbob | allamoox: no. there is no "fixing". that's what we're trying to tell you. |
| 19:01.53 | baraba | allamoox, sorry i made you paste that big file, but can you paste the apt list --installed? |
| 19:02.13 | jhutchins | allamoox: You're not the only one to do this. I killed my first RedHat box by installing Mandrake rpms on it because they were newer. |
| 19:02.44 | allamoox | jhutchins: and now? u r linux guru xD |
| 19:02.52 | allamoox | I want to be as you I wanna learn |
| 19:02.57 | allamoox | so this is why Im here now |
| 19:03.11 | allamoox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:03.39 | baraba | what do you have starting with apt? |
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| 19:05.44 | allamoox | baraba: u mean /var/lib/apt/lists/_ ?? |
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| 19:06.02 | DexterF | hi |
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| 19:06.38 | baraba | nah allamoox, you need to get list of installed packages |
| 19:06.42 | allamoox | if thats what u mean here http://pastebin.com/E9XZdvTt |
| 19:06.47 | allamoox | baraba: ok |
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| 19:06.51 | allamoox | sorry for the last paste |
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| 19:07.18 | baraba | but with originating repository |
| 19:07.23 | missmbob | we already saw it in that huge paste he made |
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| 19:07.58 | baraba | missmbob, i think that's all available packages |
| 19:08.01 | DexterF | in deb8/xfce on intel Sandy Bridge video, I tried running compton, a GL window compositor to get rid of screen tearing in flash videos (pepper flash nonfree) but it says "no composite extension". do I need to do manual xorg.conf entries? (thought we were past that) |
| 19:08.22 | missmbob | baraba: then why did it have ubuntu packages (hundreds) when ubuntu isn't in sources? |
| 19:09.00 | jelly | DexterF, you should not have to. Is libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
| 19:09.08 | towo` | DexterF, maybe you want to provide you /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:09.22 | towo` | s/you/your |
| 19:09.26 | baraba | who knows what is in sources.list.d and when was the update performed |
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| 19:09.53 | missmbob | update was performed about 30 min ago when i fixed his keys issue :P |
| 19:10.33 | allamoox | baraba: https://transfer.sh/5cVIG/installed |
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| 19:12.20 | baraba | maybe it's not that bad allamoox missmbob |
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| 19:13.51 | `Kevin | grep '+deb' ~/Downloads/installed | wc -l |
| 19:13.51 | `Kevin | 53 |
| 19:14.02 | DexterF | jelly: is installed. towo` http://paste.debian.net/787114/ |
| 19:14.08 | `Kevin | likely others |
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| 19:15.40 | DexterF | line 227 seems to be what I'm after |
| 19:15.49 | `Kevin | baraba: multiarch-support/stable,now 2.19-18+deb8u4 amd64 [installed] |
| 19:16.18 | towo` | DexterF, i would suggest to install kernel and intel-ddx from backports |
| 19:16.43 | allamoox | baraba: yes Im sure we will be able to Fix it . :) |
| 19:16.54 | `Kevin | allamoox: im guessing your libc is from debian evem. |
| 19:16.54 | allamoox | any way now Im done with the backup' |
| 19:16.56 | `Kevin | even* |
| 19:17.00 | baraba | :P |
| 19:17.03 | `Kevin | due to multiarch * |
| 19:17.15 | allamoox | `Kevin: I agree |
| 19:17.22 | `Kevin | so im sticking to reinstall |
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| 19:17.24 | goose | Can anyone help me with python-pip? I'm attempting to update it, but it seems to be failing with a "owned by OS" message. Or is there a better channel I should ask in? - http://pastie.org/pastes/10928832/text |
| 19:17.38 | allamoox | kevin I will not reinstall I will fix it :) |
| 19:18.10 | `Kevin | lol well. |
| 19:18.13 | `Kevin | good luck |
| 19:18.15 | jelly | DexterF, and line 40 |
| 19:18.15 | jelly | DexterF, grep -Ri Composite /etc/X11/xorg.conf* ? |
| 19:19.09 | allamoox | `Kevin: Thank you ,how ever I will be happy if u tried to be a part of it. |
| 19:19.15 | jelly | goose, don't upgrade the system pip. Use virtualenv or something. |
| 19:19.23 | `Kevin | allamoox: i wouldnt be happy :) |
| 19:19.27 | allamoox | I got another freak question as well, If I chmod 700 /etc |
| 19:19.27 | DexterF | jelly: did not see that. only those two lines, nothing else |
| 19:19.56 | missmbob | allamoox: don't be crazy |
| 19:20.19 | allamoox | missmbob: why? |
| 19:20.36 | missmbob | leave /etc alone. users need to read some files in there. |
| 19:20.55 | jelly | allamoox, just for fun, can you "zgrep libc6 /var/log/dpkg.log*" |
| 19:21.00 | `Kevin | allamoox: you are risking service failing to start by doing that .. at a minimum |
| 19:21.21 | allamoox | `Kevin: I already did it.. and I try to restore the mess I created |
| 19:21.34 | missmbob | oh dear lord. now *really* reinstall |
| 19:21.42 | allamoox | so simply I will just restore it to 777 xD and be more crazy and let every one read every thing |
| 19:21.43 | allamoox | xD |
| 19:21.49 | missmbob | jesus no |
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| 19:21.57 | missmbob | that makes shadow and other private things public |
| 19:22.09 | allamoox | no just kidding I will make it rwx r--w-- |
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| 19:22.32 | baraba | i think it's common to make it 755 |
| 19:22.36 | missmbob | i don't know why i'm still talking, actually. |
| 19:22.36 | allamoox | yes |
| 19:22.45 | allamoox | missmbob: u should talk I learn |
| 19:22.49 | allamoox | I want to learn |
| 19:22.54 | allamoox | I get used of ur speech.. |
| 19:23.00 | jelly | "please stop making a mess and hire a competent admin" |
| 19:23.02 | allamoox | Now u taught me alot and Im honest.. |
| 19:23.16 | allamoox | jelly: and If I would like to learn , what should I do. |
| 19:23.25 | baraba | lol, allamoox, people have their own businesses to attend |
| 19:23.28 | allamoox | I paid these servers to mess around with it and learn from it |
| 19:23.31 | jelly | allamoox, do it on a test system |
| 19:23.48 | allamoox | ok Guys |
| 19:23.56 | jelly | allamoox, is this a test system? |
| 19:24.05 | `Kevin | loln. |
| 19:24.07 | allamoox | jelly: some how.. yes |
| 19:24.13 | jelly | or is it a system running services? |
| 19:24.25 | jelly | that you want provided to a user or more? |
| 19:24.42 | allamoox | I provide it already for free and for educational purpose.. |
| 19:25.16 | allamoox | the story started when I tried to learn linux and many people affended me..So I bought two vps and start to give free shells .. |
| 19:25.32 | baraba | allamoox, when you say Control Panel, wdym? |
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| 19:25.42 | missmbob | i keeps getting worse. |
| 19:25.54 | `Kevin | allamoox: i wouldnt be providing free shells without a fair amount of expertise |
| 19:26.00 | allamoox | and some times user go mess with the service like i remeber someone did bombfork |
| 19:26.15 | allamoox | `Kevin: I tell the users that its free and educational and for testing |
| 19:26.16 | jelly | allamoox, then learn not to screw with it, screw with a test one that does not have any users or where users are aware it can blow up at any moment |
| 19:26.18 | allamoox | so im very honest |
| 19:26.33 | `Kevin | allamoox: you do realise they can legally get you in trouble? |
| 19:26.39 | jelly | also learn to make backups ;-) |
| 19:26.56 | allamoox | jelly: this what I did... I already upgraded all of them to the 2gb ram vps.. and its free so they cant get me in trouble |
| 19:27.00 | allamoox | I do it to learn |
| 19:27.03 | allamoox | but thank you guys |
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| 19:27.11 | allamoox | I really get alot of usefull information tonight |
| 19:27.41 | `Kevin | they can get you in legal issues using your `free` service as a grounds to provide illegal services over or attack others etc |
| 19:27.46 | `Kevin | how is that not getting in trouble? |
| 19:28.05 | allamoox | I dont give sudo access |
| 19:28.13 | allamoox | and I learned about iptables |
| 19:28.13 | `Kevin | you dont need sudo |
| 19:28.22 | allamoox | so im trying to block ports |
| 19:28.25 | allamoox | and open special ports |
| 19:28.35 | allamoox | and I alwayse look at bandwidth |
| 19:28.48 | allamoox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.52 | missmbob | doesn't matter if just ssh is open, which it has to be for them to connect |
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| 19:29.14 | v1s | I am running jessie on a mips board and trying to install nodejs but its not there. And I checked here https://packages.debian.org/jessie/nodejs and its also not there. But I found a version here http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nodejs/ how can I add it to /etc/apt/sources.list or be able to install via apt-get? |
| 19:29.18 | allamoox | I respect ur experince guys and I addmit it.. but I learn |
| 19:29.50 | jelly | v1s, what does "dpkg --print-architecure" say? |
| 19:29.57 | `Kevin | craziest things ive hear in awhile i have to say.. |
| 19:29.58 | jelly | v1s, what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say? |
| 19:29.59 | `Kevin | thing/ |
| 19:30.43 | v1s | jelly: mips |
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| 19:31.46 | jelly | judd, v nodejs --arch mips |
| 19:31.47 | judd | Package: nodejs on mips -- stretch: 4.3.1~dfsg-3; sid: 4.4.7~dfsg-2+b1; experimental: 6.0.0~dfsg-1 |
| 19:31.58 | jelly | v1s, so it's not present in jessie at all |
| 19:32.51 | jelly | upgrade to stretch or sid if you absolutely need it |
| 19:33.11 | v1s | which is more stable between stretch/sid |
| 19:33.11 | jelly | (with all the consequences that running testing/unstable brings) |
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| 19:34.22 | jelly | v1s, testing, but it really depends on the time of day, moon phase, whether testing is frozen, whether there has been a debian release recently... do you feel lucky? |
| 19:34.43 | v1s | not lately :) |
| 19:35.16 | jelly | it's going to be doubly interesting considering you're on a somewhat unusual arch |
| 19:35.25 | jhutchins | v1s: They're both pretty much intentionally NOT stable. |
| 19:35.29 | jelly | !mips |
| 19:35.30 | dpkg | MIPS is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIPS_architecture). Debian's MIPS port consists of two ports (debian-mips and debian-mipsel) differing in binary endianness. See http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ for more information, supported machines and related links. See also <install guide>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mips/ http://www.linux-mips.org/ #mipslinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:35.39 | jelly | what, no channel |
| 19:36.01 | v1s | maybe better to just try to build from source |
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| 19:36.16 | jelly | v1s, there's a (very tiny) #debian-mips on irc.OFTC.net network |
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| 19:36.32 | v1s | jelly: thanks will check it out |
| 19:36.35 | jelly | good luck with building v8 and node on a tiny board. |
| 19:36.37 | jhutchins | jelly: That's 'cause all three users are in the same room. |
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| 19:37.03 | jelly | judd, checkbackport nodejs --arch mips |
| 19:37.04 | judd | Backporting package nodejs in sidâjessie/mips: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gyp (>= 0.1~svn1773). |
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| 19:37.15 | jelly | judd, checkbackport gyp --arch mips |
| 19:37.16 | judd | Backporting package gyp in sidâjessie/mips: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 19:37.18 | jelly | huh |
| 19:37.31 | jelly | I'm putting that under "theoretically possible" |
| 19:37.35 | `Kevin | haha |
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| 19:38.44 | jelly | jhutchins, well that means most of my family has to be a mips user, nice |
| 19:38.57 | jelly | have* users* |
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| 19:45.18 | greycat | *sigh*. Judd, judd, judd. Now I have to look up with 2192 is... right arrow. Hmm. OK. I think I can manage that one. |
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| 19:47.12 | greycat | judd checkbackport gyp --arch mips |
| 19:47.13 | judd | Backporting package gyp in sidâjessie/mips: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 19:49.51 | teraflops | greycat: still setting up the irssi script? |
| 19:50.23 | greycat | http://wooledge.org/~greg/curly.pl.txt |
| 19:50.31 | teraflops | ââââಠ_ಠ⤠⥠⦠|
| 19:50.50 | teraflops | oh |
| 19:50.59 | greycat | I'm not going to add every stupid UTF-8 glyph imaginable. Just the ones that people *actually* use. People including judd of course. |
| 19:51.13 | greycat | Your -> and ... worked though! |
| 19:51.20 | missmbob | interesting |
| 19:51.38 | teraflops | greycat: hehe I do Xcompose but I'm on X |
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| 19:51.57 | greycat | The quotes were the major problem for obvious reasons. |
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| 19:55.44 | missmbob | greycat: have any more irssi scripts you've done? |
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| 19:56.29 | greycat | Nothing worth mentioning. |
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| 19:58.28 | ferry | , |
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| 20:01.06 | ferry | What am I possibly doing wrong when I upgrade my kernel, my GUI breaks and I instantly boot to terminal on boot. |
| 20:01.34 | greycat | Need a new non-default video driver module to match your new kernel? |
| 20:02.08 | greycat | (Are you using the non-free fglrx or nvidia driver?) |
| 20:02.46 | ferry | Fglrx |
| 20:02.55 | ferry | Amd m330 gpu, It's a laptop ;p |
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| 20:03.04 | greycat | You probably have to rebuild fglrx for the new kernel, then. |
| 20:03.10 | ferry | Alright, I'll try that. thanks. |
| 20:04.08 | DexterF | ferry: shouldn't the m330 work fine with the free radeon driver? |
| 20:04.44 | ferry | I'm not sure. It's been a few years since I touched any Linux distros and I'm trying to memorize how this stuff worked ;p |
| 20:05.01 | ferry | I'll try to rebuild my drivers now and see what happens |
| 20:05.08 | ferry | the package* |
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| 20:08.09 | DexterF | ferry: the free radeon driver made quantum leaps since "few years" ago |
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| 20:08.47 | ferry | Alright, I'll give it a shot I guess |
| 20:10.12 | DexterF | ferry: the AMD people actually started contributing code, released specs etc. it has become actually really usable. even 3D is not too bad. |
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| 20:12.06 | ferry | That's neat. I'll see if that works for me |
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| 20:15.04 | dannysantos | I am forwarding X11 through ssh from my debian server to my mingw64 windows client. Mingw64 doesn't come with $DISPLAY defined so I have configure with localhost:0.0 . I have tried and everything works great. There is this warning in the beggining of ssh that I don't give too much attentiton: "Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data |
| 20:15.04 | dannysantos | for X11 forwarding.". The problem is: when I do "sudo -H gnome-control-center" it doesn't open and gives me this error: |
| 20:15.04 | dannysantos | X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 20:15.04 | dannysantos | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.04 | dannysantos | ** (gnome-control-center:7265): WARNING **: Could not open X display |
| 20:15.05 | dannysantos | X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
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| 20:18.54 | |aaron | having an odd problem hope someone here can help... having running the official driver installer for this mellanox connectx2 interface and rebooting none of my network interfaces come up automatically anymore. but i can bring them up manually with ifconfig just fine? /etc/network/interfaces hasnt changed at all... |
| 20:19.03 | |aaron | after running* |
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| 20:26.49 | Sayona | Hi, can anyone help me with rsync ? |
| 20:26.56 | Sayona | i want to rsync only the modified files |
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| 20:30.46 | Sayona | rsync -avz --update --existing src/ dst ? |
| 20:31.10 | greycat | "only the modified files" is what rsync *does*. By default. You don't need any special options. |
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| 20:32.11 | Sayona | greycat, but why I see this rsync -avz --update --existing |
| 20:32.53 | zykotick9 | DexterF: <sorry this is a pet-peve of mine> re "free radeon driver" <- i'd say "open source" as the firmware required for 3d is still proprietary :( |
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| 20:33.08 | ferry | Fatal server error: ((EE) no screens found.. right |
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| 21:02.35 | ferry | I've tried updating fglrx guided by various websites but none of them have worked so far. Xorg log says fglrx failed to start, no screens found. R5 M330 gpu |
| 21:02.54 | ferry | I just got rid of all fglrx related files but I'm wondering what to try next. Weird. |
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| 21:06.24 | teraflops | fglrx is dead anyways |
| 21:07.07 | ferry | I tried installing the open source and it refused to work, logfile said fglrx not found |
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| 21:07.33 | ferry | I wonder what I am doing wrong this time, I've spent ~15hrs getting the gui up with no success |
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| 21:09.03 | tremon | ferry: you obviously have some configuration left pointing to the fglrx driver. it's not in Xorg's autodetect list |
| 21:09.20 | teraflops | yep |
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| 21:09.58 | ferry | .. yea. I won't give up till I get this working.. I'll try to figure it out |
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| 21:12.15 | ferry | Should I be using the driver package from amd's own website? |
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| 21:13.11 | ferry | clear |
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| 21:14.42 | tremon | I'm really not up to speed on using amd's own driver, but I think it's better to just use the fglrx packages from non-free |
| 21:15.34 | ferry | What's the correct way to get the amd open source driver or whatever it's called? |
| 21:15.44 | ferry | Sorry for my silly question, I just want to make sure I get it right this time-. |
| 21:16.05 | tremon | and if you want to try the open driver again, just nuke all config (/etc/X11/xorg.conf AND /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/*) before trying again |
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| 21:17.03 | tremon | you probably have the best hope if you use the kernel and firmware from backports, looks like the R5 is quite new |
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| 21:17.37 | ferry | Alright, I'll try that now. |
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| 21:23.49 | takurtak | j #debian-next |
| 21:23.52 | takurtak | upps |
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| 21:24.26 | missmbob | takurtak: wrong network even. oftc not freenode |
| 21:25.02 | takurtak | missmbob: yeah I know, i was just connecting to oftc |
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| 21:26.34 | takurtak | I compiled and installed opencbm but only my root can accesss, the regular user cant access the cbm stuff, used this page https://gareth.halfacree.co.uk/2014/12/installing-the-zoomfloppy-on-linux/comment-page-1 |
| 21:26.50 | takurtak | I am on testing buit I cant join the debian-next channel since it is invite only |
| 21:27.08 | takurtak | SUBSYSTEM!="usb_device", ACTION!="add", MODE="0666", GOTO="opencbm_rules_end" |
| 21:27.08 | takurtak | # zoom floppy |
| 21:27.08 | takurtak | ATTRS{idVendor}=="16d0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0504", GROUP="users", MODE="0666" |
| 21:27.10 | takurtak | LABEL="opencbm_rules_end" |
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| 21:27.21 | missmbob | takurtak: no it's not. it's only invite only on freenode. on oftc it's open and quite active |
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| 21:28.23 | takurtak | this udev stuff supposed to help with that but it did not work for me, https://paste.debian.net/787134/ |
| 21:30.48 | missmbob | takurtak: no it's not. it's only invite only on freenode. on oftc it's open and quite active |
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| 21:33.03 | takurtak | missmbob: thnx, using a terminal client here, i will try it again |
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| 21:39.03 | |aaron | so ive narrowed this problem down a little bit... as far as i can tell, for some reason networking.service just isnt started when i boot. ive run 'systemctl enable networking.service' and rebooted and no. but i can start it manually just fine! what the hell haha |
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| 21:43.19 | oupala | Does anyone can tell me what is debian sloppy? |
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| 21:44.33 | zykotick9 | oupala: do you mean slushy? see "/msg dpkg slushy" for detail on that testing/sid situation. if you mean sloppy i have no idea. good luck. |
| 21:44.38 | dondelelcaro | oupala: I assume you mean backports sloppy? |
| 21:45.34 | oupala | dondelelcaro: probably yes, backports sloppy |
| 21:45.47 | oupala | zykotick9: no, not slushy, sloppy |
| 21:45.58 | zykotick9 | til |
| 21:47.01 | dondelelcaro | oupala: it's basically the same thing as a backport, but from current testing to oldstable |
| 21:47.23 | dondelelcaro | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index4h2 explains it |
| 21:47.41 | oupala | dondelelcaro: I was reading this page, but I could not understand |
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| 21:48.01 | dondelelcaro | oupala: the basic idea is that for normal backports, they can only be from one release in advance |
| 21:48.08 | oupala | dondelelcaro: it's for people that are using oldstable and want to backport some package from stable |
| 21:48.16 | dondelelcaro | oupala: otherwise they might get in the way of the oldstable->stable upgrade |
| 21:48.30 | dondelelcaro | oupala: no, it's for people running oldstable who want a package which is currently in testing |
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| 21:49.21 | oupala | debian 6 getting some package from debian 8, right ? |
| 21:49.47 | dondelelcaro | oupala: debian 7 getting some packages from what will become debian 9, basically |
| 21:49.55 | ferry | Failed to build fglrx-15.302 with dkms |
| 21:49.58 | dondelelcaro | oupala: I don't think anyone is still making backports for squeeze |
| 21:50.02 | ferry | was my last hope and it can't compile |
| 21:50.05 | oupala | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks (I was discovering sloppy tonight...) |
| 21:50.52 | oupala | and how long does it takes for a package to make its way from sid to jessie-backports? |
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| 21:51.14 | zykotick9 | oupala: not everything gets a backport |
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| 21:55.09 | ferry | Deb 8 running Kernel 4.4.16 and can't get any driver package to compile. I also tried 4.5 and 4.6 with no hope.. 3.16 works fine but I can't get wifi running on that low |
| 21:55.20 | ferry | any gpu driver package* |
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| 21:56.18 | ferry | even the newest package on amd's on website (fglrx-15.302) doesn't install correctly.. What could I try? |
| 21:56.32 | ferry | r5 m330 gpu |
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| 22:00.33 | missmbob | ferry: you know you also need to install linux-hearders for the kernel to build drivers, right? apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` if you're in the new kernel |
| 22:02.13 | ferry | missmbob: That doesn't work either as it says linux-headers has no installation candidate.. I'll try to figure that out |
| 22:02.39 | oupala | zykotick9: I know that not everything gets into backport |
| 22:02.45 | oupala | but it's already there |
| 22:03.06 | oupala | there a new release in sid, I just wonder when it will come into backports |
| 22:03.06 | missmbob | ferry: it's not called linux-headers. it's linux-headers-`uname -r` (uname -r adds the proper version to the end of the name) |
| 22:03.33 | oupala | I need ansible 2.1.1 : https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ansible&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
| 22:04.01 | missmbob | ferry: you have to do that command in the new kernel. otherwise it'll spit out the old kernel version |
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| 22:07.14 | Olivier__ | hello, I have a little problem with the installation of Debian |
| 22:07.28 | Olivier__ | I don't have graphics |
| 22:07.49 | Olivier__ | can you help me please? |
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| 22:09.39 | Olivier__ | anyone can help me? |
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| 22:11.07 | Wally | GRAPHICS LESS |
| 22:11.26 | Olivier__ | yes |
| 22:11.33 | ferry | missmbob: It says Couldn't find any package by regex ´linux-headers-4.4.16´ .. :S |
| 22:11.36 | Olivier__ | I only have the command line |
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| 22:11.44 | Wally | did you install any wm? |
| 22:11.58 | Olivier__ | no |
| 22:12.19 | missmbob | ferry: you're using jessie with backports, right? or testing? |
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| 22:12.50 | Olivier__ | wally : can you help me to install a vm please? |
| 22:13.01 | Wally | so you didn't install xfce or anything? |
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| 22:13.08 | Olivier__ | no |
| 22:13.32 | Olivier__ | can you help me please? |
| 22:13.41 | Wally | . |
| 22:13.51 | Wally | sudo apt-get install xfce or something |
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| 22:14.05 | ferry | missmbob: I downloaded the kernel (4.4.16) from kernel.org, I have jessie-backports main in sources.list though ;s |
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| 22:14.34 | Olivier__ | xfce is not found |
| 22:14.40 | Olivier__ | I have this |
| 22:14.50 | Olivier__ | in French because the language of my pc is french |
| 22:14.54 | missmbob | ferry: if you're going to fuck with upstream kernel debian kernels/headers won't work. of course apt-get can't find the header. it's not in debian. |
| 22:15.44 | missmbob | ferry: if you want to get the kernel from jessie-backports the header is called linux-headers-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-all-amd64 and get the main kernel image linux-image-amd64 (both from jessie-backports) |
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| 22:15.53 | `Kevin | Olivier__: https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
| 22:16.38 | ferry | missmbob: Right, I'll switch my kernel to 4.6 now |
| 22:16.49 | ferry | missmbob: Thanks ;p I'll see how that works out |
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| 22:17.11 | Olivier__ | I can't install xfce |
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| 22:17.24 | `Kevin | RTFM? look at the link |
| 22:17.30 | Olivier__ | I have : the package can't found |
| 22:17.59 | `Kevin | you are missing a character in your apt-get install command |
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| 22:18.02 | TomTomTosch | Olivier__: task-xfce-desktop installs everything. |
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| 22:18.29 | doublehp | i have put this in crontab: <<3-59/10 * * * * root /bin/upsc mgeups_a@leon | /bin/grep "Error: Data stale" && /sbin/reboot>> ; I have just received an email containing the string; but mahcine did not reboot; if message came out of grep, how could reboot command fail ? |
| 22:18.37 | Olivier__ | command can't found |
| 22:18.53 | TomTomTosch | Olivier__: apt-get install task-xfce-desktop |
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| 22:19.09 | ferry | I think I should find out what kernel headers are for.. I feel so dumb right now. |
| 22:19.17 | ferry | time to google <_< |
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| 22:23.22 | ferry | Could anyone here recommend a good video series regarding Linux? I'd be happy to learn more about this stuff since my knowledge is very limited |
| 22:23.27 | ferry | at this moment |
| 22:23.39 | ferry | ;s |
| 22:23.50 | Wally | better off reading books and material off the internet |
| 22:24.00 | Wally | you want to learn to script? |
| 22:24.36 | ferry | I'd like to learn the basics first, how to upgrade and deal with kernels headers etc |
| 22:24.58 | ferry | there's so much I don't know about since I haven't used any linux distro for years |
| 22:25.01 | Wally | learning to script will give you that stuff. |
| 22:25.22 | ferry | I guess I should look into learning scripting then. |
| 22:25.36 | TomTomTosch | learning to script has exactly nothing to do with that stuff... |
| 22:25.37 | awal1 | Olivier__, task-xfe-desktop, or just xfce4, not xfce |
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| 22:26.42 | awal1 | xfce4 + xfce4-goodies . goodies makes xfce4 more usable |
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| 22:27.29 | |aaron | anyone here understand systemd unit dependencies and whatnot pretty well? i have a really weird problem creator by this mellanox driver installer. it makes a service for itself which creates a circular dependency with networking.service and basic.target so that networking.service fails to start at boot. although i can start it manually just fine immediately after. |
| 22:27.41 | |aaron | /s/creator/created |
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| 22:33.12 | Olivier__ | okay |
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| 22:36.02 | ferry | How do I install this through backports? https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/firmware-amd-graphics |
| 22:36.40 | missmbob | ferry: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 22:37.14 | ferry | I have the sources.list correctly and I've tried installing it with apt-get -t jessie-backports install command |
| 22:37.34 | ferry | I tried typing the whole package name and also with just firmware-amd-graphics but it says unable to locate package |
| 22:37.45 | ferry | The kernel upgrade and headers went through just fine,. |
| 22:38.22 | TomTomTosch | you ran apt-get update after you changed your sources? |
| 22:38.30 | Olivier__ | hello when I tried to install KDE or gnome, I have this message : this package can't be found |
| 22:38.39 | ferry | Yeah, I also tried aptitude update but I think it does the same thing. |
| 22:38.49 | TomTomTosch | Olivier__ task-kde-desktop task-gnome-desktop |
| 22:39.13 | Olivier__ | in su -? |
| 22:39.19 | ferry | I don't know what's up with that specific package as the kernels came through fine |
| 22:39.43 | TomTomTosch | Olivier__: those are package names. you install them using apt-get install task-kde-desktop as root. |
| 22:40.17 | TomTomTosch | ferry, that package is in non-free. you have to add that to your sources, not only main. |
| 22:40.56 | ferry | TomTomTosch: Thank you a lot ;p I'll try that |
| 22:41.58 | Olivier__ | it's not work |
| 22:42.18 | TomTomTosch | Olivier__ full command and output to paste.debian.net please. |
| 22:42.40 | Olivier__ | sorry but my computer is in French |
| 22:42.55 | TomTomTosch | doesn't matter. |
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| 22:44.44 | Olivier__ | Sorry but my computer is in French |
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| 22:45.10 | TomTomTosch | that's okay. > paste.debian.net full command and output please. |
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| 22:45.40 | Olivier__ | the command is apt-get and... |
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| 22:46.38 | TomTomTosch | don't paraphrase it, paste it. |
| 22:47.07 | doublehp | Olivier__: fais ce qu'on te demande; si la langue était un problème, on aurait la capacité de te fournir une commande qui traduirait la commande en anglais, dans le genre << LC_ALL="C" apt-get >> ... le fait est que le francais est suffisement proche de l'anglais pour que tout le monde ici sache identifier l'erreur |
| 22:47.34 | Olivier__ | yes but I don't remember the xomm4 |
| 22:47.37 | doublehp | Olivier__: enfin, il n'est pas exclu que TomTomTosch sache lire le francais; alors, ne discute pas, et fais ce qu'il te demande |
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| 22:48.14 | OBLOMOV88 | YOU HEARD THAT OLIVIER. DO IT |
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| 22:48.30 | Olivier__ | doublehp: Désolé :( |
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| 22:49.01 | doublehp | Olivier__: no paste ... no help. |
| 22:49.15 | OBLOMOV88 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLAbYWKwrfk |
| 22:49.29 | Olivier__ | doublehp : je suis entrain de le faire in instant |
| 22:49.32 | Olivier__ | un |
| 22:49.48 | missmbob | please keep it english or |
| 22:49.50 | missmbob | !fr |
| 22:49.50 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr. |
| 22:52.05 | Olivier__ | doublehp : c'est un peu difficile de faire un paste car mon pc est en mode console et je ne peux pas copier coller le terminal |
| 22:52.18 | Olivier__ | et que je suis sur mon portable |
| 22:52.27 | TomTomTosch | !pastebinit |
| 22:52.28 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 22:52.29 | doublehp | please, tell him about console paste; forgot the name |
| 22:52.49 | doublehp | Olivier__: aptitude install pastebinit |
| 22:52.51 | Olivier__ | le paquet KDE est introuvable |
| 22:53.05 | Olivier__ | en root? |
| 22:53.08 | doublehp | yes |
| 22:53.29 | Olivier__ | aptitude commande introuvable |
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| 22:53.44 | doublehp | Olivier__: apt-get install pastebinit |
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| 22:54.30 | Olivier__ | impossible de trouver le paquet pastebinit |
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| 22:54.57 | Olivier__ | c'est ça que j'ai |
| 22:55.28 | doublehp | Olivier__: I can chat in GUI with Pidgin, and in console with irssi ... simultaneously. Copy paste is possible very fast after install, by just selecting and pasting with right click, works between two consoles, with package GPM |
| 22:56.18 | Olivier__ | je n'ai pas de graphique je suis en mode console |
| 22:56.29 | Olivier__ | et je ne peux pas faire ça |
| 22:56.31 | TomTomTosch | i just guess he doesn't have a gui and probably no internet connection. |
| 22:56.43 | TomTomTosch | or broken sources. |
| 22:56.51 | Olivier__ | j'ai une connexion internet |
| 22:57.00 | doublehp | Olivier__: aptitude command not found; and apt-get says pastebinit does not exists |
| 22:57.19 | doublehp | Olivier__: is it a download error, or, package unavailable in your distro ? |
| 22:57.27 | doublehp | Olivier__: ping google.fr |
| 22:57.31 | Olivier__ | alors il faut que je refasse l'installation? |
| 22:57.37 | doublehp | Olivier__: no |
| 22:57.46 | doublehp | Olivier__: any error is fixable |
| 22:57.53 | Olivier__ | ok |
| 22:58.06 | doublehp | Olivier__: can you ping google.fr ? |
| 22:58.30 | Olivier__ | unknown host google.fr |
| 22:59.03 | doublehp | ifconfig -a |
| 22:59.20 | doublehp | tell us if you see eth0 somewhere, or eth1 or wlan0 |
| 22:59.27 | Olivier__ | commande introuvable |
| 22:59.32 | doublehp | do you have ethernet or wifi ? |
| 22:59.39 | Olivier__ | oui |
| 22:59.45 | doublehp | ifconfig gives you command not found ???? |
| 22:59.49 | missmbob | that's because you have to use the full path, btw. /sbin/ifconfig |
| 22:59.54 | Olivier__ | mais je pense qu'il y a eu un problème avec l'installation |
| 22:59.55 | missmbob | or be root |
| 23:00.03 | Olivier__ | je me suis pas sûr |
| 23:00.08 | TomTomTosch | this is fun... |
| 23:00.11 | doublehp | Olivier__: id |
| 23:00.13 | missmbob | not even close |
| 23:00.17 | doublehp | give us only the first number |
| 23:00.17 | Olivier__ | I'm in root |
| 23:00.39 | missmbob | i still don't see why french help can't be in the french channel or wtf is going on |
| 23:01.02 | Olivier__ | Sorry, I found any French help |
| 23:01.09 | mtn | rules, who needs rules? |
| 23:01.10 | Olivier__ | I don't found any |
| 23:01.30 | doublehp | Olivier__: id .... give me the first number only |
| 23:01.42 | Olivier__ | ? |
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| 23:01.55 | Olivier__ | je ne comprends pas ce que je dois faire |
| 23:02.03 | doublehp | Olivier__: id -u |
| 23:02.11 | Olivier__ | 0 |
| 23:02.21 | doublehp | ls -l /sbin/ifconfig |
| 23:02.24 | Fr_Dae | Olivier__ regarde tes MP |
| 23:02.33 | awal1 | Olivier__, here is english channel. For french ---» #debian-fr. But (tu peux mettre LANG=C avant chaque commande; ainsi les données de sortie (résultat) seraa en fran+ais) |
| 23:02.37 | doublehp | I bet he is in busybox |
| 23:02.56 | awal1 | français ^ |
| 23:03.10 | doublehp | awal1: export ... or thereis an other command to affect the whole console, without changing the system |
| 23:03.22 | doublehp | LANG=C /bin/bash |
| 23:03.23 | missmbob | #debianfr actually |
| 23:03.29 | missmbob | no dash. and he's been told. |
| 23:03.51 | doublehp | ls -l /sbin/ifconfig |
| 23:03.53 | awal1 | doublehp, right |
| 23:04.28 | awal1 | Olivier__, I guess you have done a very minimal installation , without the "standard system utilities" ? |
| 23:04.31 | doublehp | Olivier__: LANG=C /bin/bash |
| 23:04.58 | doublehp | Olivier__: this will make all your messages in english, without changing the language for the rest of the system: after reboot, you will be in french |
| 23:05.02 | Olivier__ | je n'ai rien avec cette commande |
| 23:05.11 | doublehp | he is in busybox |
| 23:05.28 | doublehp | Olivier__: help |
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| 23:05.47 | doublehp | Olivier__: at the beginning, you are looking for either bash, busybox, or ash words |
| 23:06.24 | doublehp | Olivier__: a standard system should give you bash ash or csh; but i bet you have busybox, which would be bad ... |
| 23:06.53 | ferry | Alright, some progress. Now the only error I get is screens found but none have a usable configuration |
| 23:07.16 | ferry | Xorg log says so.. still no gui :/ |
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| 23:08.02 | ferry | startkde & : $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server. Welp. |
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| 23:11.35 | Olivier__ | okay |
| 23:13.13 | awal1 | Olivier__, you still in troubles? :D |
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| 23:14.33 | doublehp | awal1: he has probably gone in private with someone, or in the french debian; but without aptitude and ifconfig, he is probably right in saying he failed install. |
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| 23:15.48 | awal1 | doublehp, we don't know how he have done his installation, so... |
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| 23:16.39 | Olivier__ | doublehp I'm in private with a French person |
| 23:16.52 | recstecs | on my system the route cost are different for wireless and wired connections. can i change that default? |
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| 23:17.41 | recstecs | wireless metric 600 and wired metric 100 |
| 23:18.00 | recstecs | i would like the wirless connection to be chosen by default so increade the metrics |
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| 23:32.33 | wo00rm | What is the best way to upgrade from Jessie to sid? Should I upgrade from Jessie to testing to Sid or directly to sid? |
| 23:32.47 | wo00rm | Is an upgrade safe or should I perform fresh install? |
| 23:33.37 | mtn | wo00rm: you can't install sid directly, an upgrade is required. read the wiki ;) |
| 23:33.59 | wo00rm | There are no "unstable" full CD or DVD images. Due to the fact that the packages in "unstable" change so quickly, it is more appropriate for people to download and install "unstable" using a normal Debian FTP mirror. |
| 23:34.09 | wo00rm | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ |
| 23:34.23 | wo00rm | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#How_do_I_install_Unstable.3F |
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| 23:35.34 | jhutchins | wo00rm: You might want to consider whether you actually want a usable system. |
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| 23:36.30 | awal1 | wo00rm, resuming for you: the recommnded way for run unstable (sid) is: do a minimal install (no desktop environment) of stable (jessie, now), dist-upgrade to testing (stretch, now) then again dist-upgrade ti unstable (sid), and install whatever you want. end of the story :P |
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| 23:38.32 | wo00rm | awal1, Any complications with having a non base system? |
| 23:38.59 | missmbob | wo00rm: probably. that's why what he said was the "recommended way" |
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| 23:40.42 | awal1 | wo00rm, hundreds of libs/pkgs will be upgraded, you may get a broken system... |
| 23:41.13 | jhutchins | awal1: He's installing sid, a broken system is the expected outcome eventually. |
| 23:41.27 | awal1 | jhutchins, right |
| 23:41.46 | awal1 | but srsly, sid is not so crazy |
| 23:42.08 | missmbob | eh. i think if you have to ask how to get sid you probably shouldn't use it |
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| 23:42.37 | awal1 | I have a sid machine since 2 years now (xfce+ a few other WM's) and all the time my system runs smoothly |
| 23:43.59 | awal1 | sid is more crazy if with kde/cinnamon/gnome |
| 23:45.47 | awal1 | I have a sond machine running jessie. I confess, I won't run sid if I have only 1 machine |
| 23:45.53 | awal1 | second ^ |
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| 23:47.05 | baraba | i once switched from testing to sid, with a full blown system installed previously |
| 23:47.20 | baraba | it went pretty smoothly |
| 23:47.34 | missmbob | yes. things happen. congrats |
| 23:47.42 | baraba | been happy with sid ever since |
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| 23:49.34 | pencilandpaper | After seeing it brought up, goes to check on sid. :) |
| 23:49.35 | pencilandpaper | Brb. |
| 23:49.45 | baraba | who pissed in your coffee this morning, missmbob |
| 23:55.43 | ferry | Idk what happened but I'm so happy atm.. I installed Xorg intel drivers from jessie backports and my gui works again.. No amd drivers at all whaat ;o |
| 23:56.18 | ferry | Now it's running on integrated but at least it works |
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| 23:58.24 | Wally | Probably the wrong place to ask, I am looking to research other linux distros.. What would be a good one that's not based on debian to try? |
| 23:58.35 | Wally | I'm pretty sure the answer will be arch.. but yeah |
| 23:59.31 | missmbob | Wally: go to distrowatch.com |