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| 00:04.51 | aZz7eCh | none - they're very ordinary filenames |
| 00:04.54 | acidfoo_ | hey folks ! :) |
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| 00:05.12 | acidfoo_ | why when I do apt-get source libssl1.0.0, it doesn't install the same source version that is running on my jessie machine ? thanks ! |
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| 00:06.30 | jmcnaught | acidfoo_: do you also have deb-src lines for testing or unstable, maybe from backporting a package? |
| 00:07.01 | acidfoo_ | everything is pointing to jessie :| |
| 00:07.06 | preaction | I'm trying to restart apache2 using "invoke-rc.d apache2 restart" and I get an error: Failed to restart apache2.service: sysinit.target is queued, ignoring restart request for unit apache2.service. i know practically nothing about systemd, where do i start figuring out the problem? |
| 00:07.50 | jmcnaught | preaction: "systemctl status sysinit.target" is a good place to start |
| 00:08.13 | jmcnaught | preaction: is this a container or a VPS? |
| 00:08.21 | preaction | neither |
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| 00:09.33 | preaction | sysinit.target says it's both loaded and active, but it's warning me that "Journal has been rotated since unit was started. Log output is incomplete or unavailable" |
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| 00:11.46 | aZz7eCh | suboptimal90 ... it could actually be a special character... ":" they all have this in their filename. why would my server suddenly care? previously, I have always had the network share mounted as a point. i have today canned that and gone back to just smb://server/share which... equates to something like /run/usr/1000/gvps/seomthing a rather ... why would copying via standard browsing, suddenly create a problem with ":" being in the filename? |
| 00:11.56 | jmcnaught | preaction: could you try "systemctl status apache" and put the output on https://paste.debian.net/ ? |
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| 00:13.29 | preaction | jmcnaught: https://paste.debian.net/787254/ so, my guess is that it's not running under systemd, and is instead running on its own? |
| 00:14.47 | jmcnaught | preaction: it is active (exited). Is apache actually running? I doubt it would be unless you started it some other way |
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| 00:15.26 | aZz7eCh | and ... why would it have a problem with these 41 files having ":" in their name, when all 20,000,000 photos i have in my picture folders, have ":" in them too (timedatestamp) |
| 00:15.30 | preaction | jmcnaught: it is running, yes. likely i or someone ran "apache2ctl -k restart" |
| 00:15.31 | jmcnaught | preaction: "systemctl status" does it show jobs queued? |
| 00:15.41 | pseudonymous | Could anyone take a look at my attempt at routing connections to a subnet of ip's ? http://paste.debian.net/787255/ .. can't figure out why the vm's cant reach the outside |
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| 00:17.23 | preaction | jmcnaught: yes. it appears like the whole machine is supposed to be restarting? https://gist.github.com/preaction/f7e37b40584fbeaa25abcb13df25f90d |
| 00:18.06 | preaction | also, i apparently just clicked the right buttons to make paste.debian.net refuse to work forever... it wants a cert, but it doesn't want a cert? |
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| 00:20.12 | jmcnaught | preaction: https://paste.debian.net/ shouldn't want you to confirm a certificate. For me it's verified by Gandi SAS, SHA1 fingerprint is B2:31:A6:83:91:4B:BE:3C:F6:F5:EC:52:13:ED:45:C3:D0:B3:A7:F0 |
| 00:20.14 | rubidious | Hello. I'm having some trouble with my mouse acceleration. In the past (until today), I was always able to adjust it with "xset m *value*", but as of an update today I cannot (debian testing). I last updated (dist-upgrade) near the end of june so I don't think it has to do with xinput. Ideas? |
| 00:20.43 | preaction | jmcnaught: Safari begs me for a client certificate, but if i give it one, it's not one from sso.debian.net, so it doesn't work |
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| 00:21.38 | bakwards | Will debian work with older computers? |
| 00:21.57 | rubidious | I should say that I did a dist-upgrade today, but the previous dist-upgrade was in late june |
| 00:22.00 | TomTomTosch | define older. |
| 00:22.04 | jmcnaught | preaction: anyways that's a separate browser issue. for your server, look at "systemctl list-units" to find the failed service (probably apache2) |
| 00:22.38 | rubidious | and I should also say that xset m does not work for some reason |
| 00:23.16 | rubidious | (after my most recent dist-upgrade) |
| 00:23.16 | preaction | jmcnaught: the only one that shows up failed is "systemd-journal-flush.service" |
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| 00:23.39 | bakwards | I am using this computer https://www.amazon.com/Inspiron-600M-Intel-1-4GHZ-Processor/dp/B002N80O3A |
| 00:23.46 | jmcnaught | preaction: okay, look at the status for that service |
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| 00:24.38 | jmcnaught | preaction: do you know if you have a persistent journal (in /var/log/journal)? |
| 00:25.00 | preaction | jmcnaught: /var/log/journal: No such file or directory |
| 00:25.27 | bakwards | it's p4 cpu with 512mb of ram |
| 00:25.48 | rubidious | bakwards: it's likely it will work, but you might have difficulty with some hardware compatibility |
| 00:26.00 | rubidious | (drivers) |
| 00:26.30 | jmcnaught | preaction: i've never seen a situation like this, but it's starting to look like this failed service is blocking a shutdown attempt |
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| 00:26.48 | preaction | awesome! |
| 00:26.54 | rubidious | systemd++ |
| 00:26.55 | jmcnaught | preaction: "systemctl reset-failed systemd-journal-flush.service" will take it out of failed state |
| 00:27.10 | preaction | and that'll immediately continue the shutdown, i expect? |
| 00:27.12 | TomTomTosch | bakwards: it should work fine with a i386 iso. |
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| 00:28.22 | jmcnaught | preaction: if that's what has happened. i'm not quite sure what it means by State: stopping for the general status of the system |
| 00:28.53 | preaction | excellent. alright, so i'll figure my other thing out first then try that, thanks |
| 00:29.09 | TomTomTosch | bakwards: running a desktop environment with only 512MB ram will not be a good experience, though. |
| 00:29.31 | bakwards | Could I use enlightenment or lxde? |
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| 00:29.48 | jmcnaught | preaction: "systemctl isolate multi-user" (or whatever "systemctl get-default" reports) might tell systemd not to stop the system |
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| 00:30.24 | jmcnaught | although i think that all of the queued jobs are for stopping and they would run first |
| 00:30.44 | pseudonymous | Please someone help with http://paste.debian.net/787255/ --- why isn't this routing setup working out for me ? |
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| 00:31.42 | TomTomTosch | bakwards: sure, it's still very tight, especially if you want to run a modern browser. |
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| 00:33.50 | preaction | jmcnaught: i mean, i vaguely recall wanting to restart the system some months ago, but i was having trouble with proftpd and thought that it was stopping the whole thing from shutting down, then i ... "fixed" it and it wasn't a problem and didn't follow up on the glaring issue of "why didn't the machine reboot when i asked it to" |
| 00:35.30 | preaction | i'm used to restart being "Sending all processes the TERM signal... Okay, if you haven't terminated yet, now you get the KILL signal" |
| 00:36.05 | bakwards | systemctl shutdown |
| 00:36.06 | jmcnaught | preaction: it is quite surprising that something like this hasn't happened here |
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| 00:36.51 | jmcnaught | preaction: systemd usually waits 90s or something, then starting killing. you could try and find what happened in the journal, but if this happened months ago it could be long gone |
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| 00:37.42 | bakwards | you can kill the pid that's faster |
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| 00:37.55 | preaction | jmcnaught: that gist up there says it's been "stopping" since 11 months ago, which means this has been an issue since right before i took over the box, which means it wasn't my fault! yay! |
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| 00:38.43 | jmcnaught | preaction: :) it's probably long overdue for a reboot. now's a good time to update packages, there's definitely been kernel security updates since then |
| 00:39.02 | preaction | yeah, wouldn't hurt |
| 00:39.17 | bakwards | apt-get update |
| 00:39.41 | jmcnaught | well.. except i don't know what will happen when dpkg tries restarting daemons that are stuck in the queued state |
| 00:39.51 | preaction | though now i'm worried that there may be config changes that didn't go live that might be broken... oh well. good time to test the config management i've been working on... |
| 00:40.00 | preaction | ah. i love relaxing weekends |
| 00:40.01 | jmcnaught | so maybe reboot, do upgrades, reboot again if you can justify it to the boss |
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| 00:41.47 | preaction | no worries there, i'm the boss. it's a foss project: CPANTesters does test runs of all the uploaded cpan modules |
| 00:42.18 | preaction | just have to get over that fear that something will break, because it's a 15+ year old project that's lacked good administration :p |
| 00:42.45 | bakwards | that's what backups are for |
| 00:42.59 | preaction | i did say "lacked good administration" :p |
| 00:43.17 | jmcnaught | preaction: do you have serial console or something you can use if it doesn't come back from the reboot? |
| 00:43.49 | preaction | yeah, no worries on that front either. it's not a "it'll be unrecoverable" fear, but "it'll keep me up all night tracking things down" fear |
| 00:44.14 | preaction | but since that's a stupid, lazy fear, imma just get over it |
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| 00:44.54 | jmcnaught | on the bright side you get to learn a bunch of systemctl commands :) |
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| 00:47.18 | bakwards | Don't worry systemd is the future |
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| 00:50.28 | preaction | i mean, i choose openbsd for my own personal things (if you didn't already realize my masochism as a perl dev and a foss volunteer). it's just that when people are donating hardware, i'll take anything i can get, and debian is my preferred linux flavor |
| 00:51.35 | random_numbers | Anyone knows why jitsi is not available in the debian repos? |
| 00:52.36 | TomTomTosch | it's in sid so maybe it will come with the next debian release. |
| 00:53.14 | random_numbers | Ah, I see. Because I even checked in jessie-backports and didn't find it. I was wondering if it was absent for security reasons. |
| 00:55.00 | missmbob | eek. removed from testing in 2014 |
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| 01:11.59 | TomTomTosch | ,checkbackport jitsi |
| 01:12.30 | judd | Backporting package jitsi in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libjitsi, libjitsi-jni. |
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| 01:15.12 | TomTomTosch | info libjitsi --release sid |
| 01:15.22 | TomTomTosch | ,info libjitsi --release sid |
| 01:15.23 | judd | No package named 'libjitsi' was found in sid/amd64. |
| 01:15.41 | TomTomTosch | heh, i guess it will not stay in sid for long. |
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| 01:36.59 | RoyK | , sid |
| 01:37.05 | RoyK | ,sid |
| 01:37.38 | missmbob | RoyK: /msg dpkg sid |
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| 01:37.53 | RoyK | hates Sid |
| 01:38.05 | missmbob | so don't use it |
| 01:38.12 | RoyK | I don't |
| 01:38.27 | RoyK | kid that breaks toys |
| 01:38.34 | RoyK | I like my toys :) |
| 01:40.17 | RippyDippy | So. Where can I get many hands on xcb-util-xrm? |
| 01:40.35 | RippyDippy | ..beside github |
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| 01:41.48 | RoyK | RippyDippy: just don't mix repos - it'll fuck up things badly |
| 01:42.10 | RippyDippy | RoyK: Sure thing. i3-gaps apparently now requires it.... |
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| 01:46.01 | RoyK | RichiH: what I mean is don't mix stable/testing/unstable - better add external repos |
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| 01:51.24 | StillReal | I have a question which I'm sure has a super simple answer, though Google isn't quite coming up with the goods for me. I have two apps trying to access /dev/net/tun is there a way to create a second tun device or a way for two apps to coesist on the same device without throwing /dev/net/tun busy errors? |
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| 01:53.27 | debidi | sid is the way 2 go |
| 01:55.40 | StillReal | I guess I could put both apps inside their own containers but that seems a little bit like overkill |
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| 02:01.56 | RippyDippy | Hey guys. So I want to make my build more secure. Its a fresh build and encrypted. I'm about to set up a vpn. Does anyone have any recommendations? |
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| 02:03.39 | socomm | RippyDippy: There are plenty of articles out there. |
| 02:03.57 | socomm | http://www.codelitt.com/blog/my-first-10-minutes-on-a-server-primer-for-securing-ubuntu/ |
| 02:04.13 | suboptimal90 | window stick 5 off |
| 02:04.29 | socomm | RippyDippy: Also context. |
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| 02:06.52 | popsch | how can I find out which package contains ftrace to trace the linux kernel? 'apt-cache' search didn't provide any match. |
| 02:08.00 | socomm | https://debian-administration.org/article/334/Finding_which_package_contains_a_file |
| 02:08.14 | socomm | https://www.google.com/#q=debian+what+package+contains+a+file |
| 02:08.49 | socomm | 'provides a file' would have been better english -- as you can tell, english isn't my native tongue |
| 02:09.19 | RippyDippy | socomm: Context? I just want to be more sercure on the web. Leave less of a footprint. I'm thinking of routing all my packets through tor, but I'm not sure how practical that would be. |
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| 02:11.13 | socomm | RippyDippy: You are securing a desktop/server/{something else}? |
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| 02:11.34 | RippyDippy | socomm: Ah I missed that piece of info. Desktop |
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| 02:17.59 | stoned | RippyDippy: yeah. here's a recommendation |
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| 02:18.06 | stoned | RippyDippy: stop worrying about it. |
| 02:18.23 | stoned | RippyDippy: security is an illusion. No matter what you do, you're being watched. Make NO mistake. |
| 02:18.39 | stoned | you can play aroudn w/ these placebos all day long... if that settles you. |
| 02:20.12 | RippyDippy | stoned: I feel like we had this converstaion before. It's more a matter of, I would like to THINK I'm doing something usefull.. |
| 02:23.20 | stoned | It's pointless, imo. I don't use linux because it's more secure. It's just more intuitive as an os. |
| 02:23.28 | stoned | well kernel really, debian is the os. |
| 02:23.33 | stoned | damn good one too. |
| 02:23.41 | missmbob | the us navy doesn't do "placebos" |
| 02:24.44 | stoned | Western civilization is a loaded gun pointed at the head of this planet. |
| 02:24.55 | stoned | USA! USA! USA! |
| 02:25.06 | Epakai | RippyDippy: what are you trying to achieve with your vpn? remote access to your local network? hiding your public address? |
| 02:25.08 | missmbob | which has nothing to do with tor, so ....okay |
| 02:25.20 | stoned | It all has to do with it. |
| 02:25.51 | missmbob | us navy making tor for privacy has something to do with the west having a gun on the planet? please |
| 02:25.57 | stoned | You are unable to see what it has to do with it. Don't yet clai it has nothing to do with it. |
| 02:26.02 | stoned | Instead, inquire. |
| 02:26.23 | RippyDippy | Epakai: Hiding my public addrss, though I'd like to through a proxy outside of my network which blocks torrents etc (scoffing quietly) |
| 02:26.26 | missmbob | i was actually in the us navy when it happened. |
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| 02:26.54 | stoned | And you want a pat on your back, right? |
| 02:27.13 | missmbob | nope. just know what i'm talking about instead of blowing gas like you |
| 02:27.35 | stoned | How do you know I wasn't in the armed forces? |
| 02:27.51 | stoned | Eh. #debian is still full of small minded judgmental freaks. |
| 02:27.55 | stoned | *afk* |
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| 02:29.59 | RippyDippy | stoned: Umm.. You sir are infrinding on my rights to not be offended. I'm going to have to report you to tumblr now |
| 02:30.24 | stoned | Erg. Highlighted me! :) While we're at it |
| 02:30.29 | stoned | PLEASE take offense. |
| 02:30.46 | stoned | What would happen if you were to take offense? hmm? Will the sky fall? Will the cosmos cease to be? |
| 02:31.00 | stoned | Go on. Take offense. Let your mind work for once. :) |
| 02:31.03 | stoned | *afk* |
| 02:31.26 | missmbob | i don't think you get what afk means... |
| 02:31.29 | RippyDippy | I.. thought... I was being adbundantly sarcastic. Maybe not enough. |
| 02:31.41 | RippyDippy | missmbob: ^^ |
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| 02:32.34 | stoned | I don't think you understand what it means to not be a dbag. :) But hey. Carry on. Consistency is the hobgoblin of small and even small minds. As is sarcasm. :) |
| 02:32.53 | stoned | Joint is done. I'm going for my walk. Peace <3 |
| 02:33.21 | missmbob | joint? so the high guy is who we're supposed to think is being logical? |
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| 02:35.54 | stoned | Vedas and Upanishads were written by extremely stoned Hindu sages. Shrodinger, Bohr, Heisenberg and Einsten were avid readers of the Vedic texts and Vedanta. They understood what the psychedelic mind did, and explained it using math and science. âThis life of yours which you are living is not merely a piece of this entire existence, but in a certain sense the whole; only this whole is not so constituted |
| 02:35.56 | stoned | that it can be surveyed in one single glance. This, as we know, is what the Brahmins [wise men or priests in the Vedic tradition] express in that sacred, mystic formula which is yet really so simple and so clear; tat tvam asi, this is you. Or, again, in such words as âI am in the east and the west, I am above and below, I am this entire world.â â Schrödinger <- Ok, shoes are on. I'm out. Love you. Bye |
| 02:35.58 | stoned | bye :D |
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| 02:36.15 | TomTomTosch | can't believe he hasn't been banned yet... |
| 02:36.25 | missmbob | yeah |
| 02:36.50 | RippyDippy | TomTomTosch: Dude. We've all been watching it for months. Hes almost become the beloved town drunk. |
| 02:36.58 | stoned | If you are ever in the company of those who would ask you to censor your thought, avert your gaze, take offense or ridicule your thought, you are absolutely in the company of crap. Make no mistake. :) |
| 02:37.38 | stoned | I'm here just to be a debian user. You're making fun of a harmless stoner and thinking it makes you cool in public. |
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| 02:37.45 | stoned | LOL. That's really pathetic. :) |
| 02:37.57 | stoned | 1) either you get served by a stoner, which means you're an idiot. |
| 02:38.05 | stoned | 2) You serve a stoner, which means you are an idiot still. |
| 02:38.13 | stoned | :) Now I'm out, I'm done w/ you imbeciles. |
| 02:38.43 | RippyDippy | xoxo |
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| 02:39.57 | polyzen | wat |
| 02:41.02 | missmbob | i think what he meant to say was "42" |
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| 02:41.43 | awal1 | why & how hardware acceleration (web browsers) can be a security risk? |
| 02:42.33 | RippyDippy | awal1: Wow. Thats a refreshing change in converstation. I too am curious if anyone knows. |
| 02:43.28 | awal1 | i was away, so wan't following the topic :P |
| 02:43.29 | preaction | webgl shaders are programs from the internet that are run on the graphics card. so, if there's a bug in the driver, or the hardware, there can be problems if the shader program is malicious |
| 02:43.40 | TomTomTosch | there have been a few webgl related exploits in the past, so it might be possible to use it to break out of the sandbox, but meh. i wouldn't worry about it. |
| 02:43.44 | awal1 | wasn'y ^ |
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| 02:45.10 | awal1 | TomTomToach, just learned that in ubuntu wiki, so i was curious... |
| 02:46.05 | RippyDippy | TomTomTosch: Thats interesting. Why is it not as much of a concern? Just uncommon? |
| 02:46.45 | missmbob | google (the main webgl people) pay a lot of money for bugs. a lot. |
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| 02:48.08 | missmbob | google spends so much time on security research they rocked the lastpass world a couple of weeks ago |
| 02:48.21 | missmbob | not even their service/software |
| 02:49.54 | TomTomTosch | there is always the possibility to fall victim to zero-day-exploits. but such is life. |
| 02:51.28 | TomTomTosch | isn't hw acceleration enabled on most machines anyway now? i think there is a blacklist for older hardware that you can overwrite in settings. |
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| 02:51.37 | TomTomTosch | at least in chromium. |
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| 02:52.57 | missmbob | TomTomTosch: chrome://flags says "Hardware-accelerated video decode" "Sorry, this experiment is not available on your platform." |
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| 02:53.24 | TomTomTosch | what about chrome://gpu/ ? |
| 02:54.16 | missmbob | TomTomTosch: eh, even mix, really. https://paste.debian.net/787264/ |
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| 02:55.14 | deego | https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3643 - bit surprised to see this. I thought kdelibs were "unsupported" atm |
| 02:56.55 | missmbob | deego: why? it clearly says "it has been fixed in" |
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| 03:01.57 | deego | missmbob: type check-support-status |
| 03:02.22 | deego | ah, i guess the support is "limited", not non-existent |
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| 06:13.44 | SaltyAndPepper | Hey! |
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| 06:15.26 | SaltyAndPepper | Anybody know how do I factory reset settings? |
| 06:15.58 | Lowl3v3l | SaltyAndPepper, you mean your debian? uhm... reinstall it the same way you did last time? |
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| 06:16.12 | SaltyAndPepper | Lowl3v3l, I don't want to clean install |
| 06:16.27 | SaltyAndPepper | If it matters I'm on 8.5 |
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| 06:17.07 | themill | Maybe you could try to explain more what you do want |
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| 06:17.45 | SaltyAndPepper | themill, Reset setings |
| 06:18.32 | themill | what settings? You're going to need to be more specific |
| 06:18.49 | SaltyAndPepper | themill, the system settings |
| 06:18.58 | SaltyAndPepper | like Windows 8 has this reset feature no |
| 06:19.08 | SaltyAndPepper | What does Debian have |
| 06:19.20 | themill | most people here would have no idea what windows 8 has... |
| 06:19.29 | SaltyAndPepper | I'm a newb to Linux lol |
| 06:20.02 | SaltyAndPepper | I heard you gotta disable thign systemd thingy |
| 06:20.15 | Lowl3v3l | SaltyAndPepper, then please describe what you are trying to do. A full rollback is usually impossible ( like it is on windows 8), if you wanted that you could've generated an iso snapshot of your root after the install. |
| 06:20.30 | themill | sounds like you should start reading things written by people who know what they are talking about |
| 06:20.33 | SaltyAndPepper | Lowl3v3l, so i cant do it? :( |
| 06:20.48 | SaltyAndPepper | themill, no i just disabled systemd and it didnt work so i enabled it back |
| 06:20.53 | Lowl3v3l | themill, +1000 |
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| 06:21.34 | Lowl3v3l | SaltyAndPepper, dunno wether you can do it, you are not really clear on what you want. Though i think themill is 120 % right and awesome on his suggestion |
| 06:21.34 | SaltyAndPepper | I read reset works with rm -rf --no-preserve-roor but I've yet to try it |
| 06:21.57 | Lowl3v3l | SaltyAndPepper, this would recursively delete everything... |
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| 06:22.04 | themill | that's enough |
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| 06:22.32 | Lowl3v3l | themill, think it was a troll? o.o |
| 06:22.42 | themill | a repeat performer |
| 06:23.09 | Lowl3v3l | oh okay |
| 06:23.32 | Lowl3v3l | idiots are gonna idiot *sigh* |
| 06:23.50 | themill | Welcome to Sunday. |
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| 08:33.19 | psicobra | hi guys im hoping some one can help i have used linux on and off for 18 years but only as a desktop user now i am setting up my own server i have the web and ftp server workig fine |
| 08:33.47 | psicobra | but i want to add an external drive so the ftp usesr can access it i have done this with the mount--bind command |
| 08:34.04 | psicobra | but i wanted to automate the mountin by adding ti to fstab |
| 08:34.36 | psicobra | i think i have done it correctly but either it isnt mounting or for some reason it mounts blank |
| 08:34.56 | psicobra | http://pastebin.com/SKEnxiy1 |
| 08:35.01 | psicobra | that is my fstab |
| 08:35.09 | psicobra | greatful for any help |
| 08:35.19 | dutchfish | psicobra, well, using the usb bus for webservice storage is generally not a good idea, you can use autmount or manually create stansas in fstab, depending if you really need a special mountpoint |
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| 08:36.07 | psicobra | i understand its no ideal but my web server is a crappy sff case and only room for 1 hdd |
| 08:36.27 | psicobra | and as the main hdd is only 160gb |
| 08:36.50 | dutchfish | psicobra, fair enough, at least you are aware of it |
| 08:36.55 | psicobra | is my fstab correct? |
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| 08:37.30 | psicobra | yeah to be honest this is for my business but my company is small and most of my customers dont even know i have a web page |
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| 08:37.35 | dutchfish | psicobra, not quiet, i wouldt mount in media but outside your apache2/ftp but inside var |
| 08:37.44 | psicobra | its more an exercise for me t mess about with |
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| 08:38.10 | dutchfish | psicobra, that way backup schedules will pick up your mountpoint automatically\ |
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| 08:38.51 | psicobra | it autom mounts in media when its plugged in |
| 08:39.12 | psicobra | i was trying to bind it to .chroot/psicobra/work because the ftp server is jaied |
| 08:39.26 | psicobra | */chroot |
| 08:39.47 | psicobra | jailed |
| 08:39.53 | psicobra | i cant type im sorry |
| 08:40.00 | dutchfish | psicobra, whats important is that it autoplugs, so that it comes back if the mount got a glitch or is unplugged and replugged, see: https://wiki.debian.org/USBDrive |
| 08:40.44 | psicobra | im thinking of scrapping this server and maybe building another 1 |
| 08:41.02 | psicobra | mind you i still dont have a hard drive big enough |
| 08:41.06 | dutchfish | psicobra, use vsftpd, ftp is tricky security wise anyway |
| 08:41.14 | psicobra | im using sftp |
| 08:41.21 | psicobra | ssh ftp |
| 08:42.05 | psicobra | i did try setting up vsftp but was having problems and was advised sftp is as secure but easier |
| 08:42.06 | dutchfish | psicobra, vsftpd, study the code, then decide (compared to other ftp services) |
| 08:42.18 | psicobra | i dont code lol |
| 08:42.25 | psicobra | im just a user |
| 08:42.37 | dutchfish | psicobra, ok |
| 08:42.41 | psicobra | been a fan of linux for years but only as a desktop user |
| 08:42.52 | psicobra | decided t do my own server |
| 08:42.56 | dutchfish | psicobra, yes, you told so |
| 08:43.36 | psicobra | so to fic my immediate problem and get the drive to automount via fstab how do i fix it? |
| 08:44.13 | dutchfish | psicobra, its either automount in media, or a line in fstab that point to a dir in /var |
| 08:44.28 | psicobra | what directory in var? |
| 08:44.43 | dutchfish | psicobra, you could do something like /var/data |
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| 08:45.00 | psicobra | im lost |
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| 08:45.04 | dutchfish | psicobra, depending on your needs |
| 08:45.18 | dutchfish | psicobra, read the wiki link i gave |
| 08:45.29 | psicobra | what i need is to be able to log into my ftp server and access my external usb drive |
| 08:45.44 | dutchfish | psicobra, ues, we got that |
| 08:45.49 | psicobra | the users for ftp are jailed so they cant access the system |
| 08:46.19 | psicobra | so i need to mount --bind the usb drive to /chroot/psicobra/work |
| 08:46.37 | psicobra | but i really dont want to have to type that in every time |
| 08:46.56 | dutchfish | psicobra, on the first glitch your chroot will be broken, you have been warned |
| 08:47.08 | dutchfish | psicobra, dont do that |
| 08:47.24 | psicobra | what do you mean by broken? |
| 08:47.43 | dutchfish | psicobra, when the mount fails |
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| 08:48.09 | dutchfish | psicobra, it wont come back on a remount |
| 08:49.01 | psicobra | ok |
| 08:49.28 | dutchfish | psicobra, use vsftpd if you insist on using that iffy ftp in a chroot |
| 08:50.07 | dutchfish | psicobra, the trouble doesnt end there, because you probably want to use that ftp data for your webservice |
| 08:50.15 | psicobra | whats wrong with sftp? |
| 08:50.20 | dutchfish | psicobra, really bad idea |
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| 08:50.34 | dutchfish | psicobra, securitywise |
| 08:51.08 | psicobra | from everything i have read sftp is supposed to be secure |
| 08:51.52 | dutchfish | psicobra, there is nothing wrong (at least if it is done right) with the protocol, but not many ftp daemons can do it right |
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| 08:53.52 | psicobra | so start again and use vsftp |
| 08:53.55 | psicobra | :( |
| 08:54.02 | dutchfish | psicobra, you would safe yourself alot of trouble by setting up sftp over encapsulated users with there home dirs in your wanted space, you can furhter enhance ssh with passwordless key. |
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| 08:54.30 | dutchfish | psicobra, and block root login |
| 08:54.57 | dutchfish | psicobra, for that you wont need an ftpd daemon at all |
| 08:55.14 | psicobra | this all sounds way abouve my head the primary use of the ftp server was just for mand maybe my brother access files when away from the house |
| 08:55.23 | psicobra | me and |
| 08:55.38 | dutchfish | psicobra, then use ssh |
| 08:56.09 | dutchfish | psicobra, much more secure |
| 08:56.10 | psicobra | ok |
| 08:56.27 | psicobra | as in ssh rather than sftp? |
| 08:56.41 | psicobra | so i could ssh and wget? |
| 08:56.42 | dutchfish | psicobra, sftp and ssh are the same family |
| 08:57.08 | psicobra | ok |
| 08:57.26 | psicobra | but we are back to the problem of auto mounting the usb drive |
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| 08:58.42 | dutchfish | psicobra, read the link i gave, and maybe this one, https://wiki.debian.org/fstab | it would be easy to give you a onliner, but i want you to learn how to coop with it on your own. |
| 08:59.05 | dutchfish | psicobra, so yu understand what is going on |
| 08:59.32 | tdn | Are there any reason to use aptitude over apt-get anymore? |
| 09:00.12 | dutchfish | tdn, in most cases it doesnt mather, but aptitude has some extra things when solving dependecies or upgrades |
| 09:00.27 | dutchfish | tdn, exaple: aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 09:00.31 | dutchfish | example* |
| 09:00.44 | psicobra | ok thanks dutch |
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| 09:01.12 | dutchfish | psicobra, i prefer aptitude nowadays, but not always when dist-upgrading. |
| 09:01.35 | dutchfish | psichas, it does a pretty good job |
| 09:01.48 | dutchfish | oops that was for tdn |
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| 09:03.53 | tdn | dutchfish, OK. When I update packages, I always do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Is that good practice? |
| 09:04.17 | tdn | Or should I rather do aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade daily instead? |
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| 09:04.37 | dutchfish | tdn, replace that with apt-get update && apt-get upgrade | aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 09:05.09 | dutchfish | tdn, that way you wont get surprises when the repo points to stable and we jus had a new release |
| 09:05.34 | tdn | Got ya. |
| 09:05.36 | tdn | Thanks. |
| 09:05.39 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 10:14.15 | owen | hello network manager is not working with my evdo connection zte 8700 before it was connecting.Where it is connecting through windows xp |
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| 10:15.43 | owen | any answer? |
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| 10:17.38 | pseudonymous | owen: you need a bit more patience. Sometimes questions are too specific and no answer will come, other times it takes 20 minutes - but generally you won't get an answer within the minute |
| 10:18.49 | owen | ok thanks waiting |
| 10:19.11 | Lowl3v3l | owen, are you sure network-manager is the problem? does manually setting stuff up work? are your drivers correct? |
| 10:20.33 | owen | hm it is provided with driver cd for windows xp pr 8 but yes when entering setting in network manager nm applet for wireless broadbandmobile connection it let me connect through it |
| 10:21.23 | owen | but now problem is modem zte 8700 is having orange light means no network which turns green as i am conneting it through windows xp |
| 10:21.59 | mirak | hi. Anyone is familiar with duplicity ? |
| 10:22.05 | Lowl3v3l | this sounds broken, sry i can't help with it further owen |
| 10:22.19 | owen | now i cannot able to connect using nm applet it shows orange light |
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| 10:23.53 | owen | what is broken?modem? |
| 10:24.09 | Lowl3v3l | owen, dunno as i said. |
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| 10:26.22 | owen | ah ok ok i guess there is new way of communication strings between modem ..pc and ISP broke my use my connection on linux?My isp do not want me to use linux? |
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| 10:27.15 | owen | nmapplet works on wvdial? or i try using it from terminal modprobe usbserial ...than wvdial? |
| 10:30.07 | owen | is it possible a working evdo modem connection on debian stops but still let connect through M$? |
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| 10:30.52 | pseudonymous | owen: While there's certainly sometimes some baffling IT decisions being made - there's probably no chance that your ISP would deliberately work on breaking things for Linux users. Moreover, most communication protocols are standardized |
| 10:31.36 | pseudonymous | TL;DR - most likely, you're having a configuration issue or hardware support issues. |
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| 10:35.02 | owen | o k thanks i try to sort it with the ISP if he have any new configuration as last one was working and old driver for widows still works so asking them for the help |
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| 11:00.37 | Sander^home | Hi. I was wondering what the roadmap for isolation is in debian? |
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| 12:20.26 | Fjorgynn | ja |
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| 13:06.11 | klaas | does initramfs for nfsroot support bonded interfaces? I somehow don't find any information on that |
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| 13:13.01 | goldkatze | Hi :-) |
| 13:13.20 | RoyK | ho |
| 13:13.44 | goldkatze | Searching for system-wide equaliser for pulseaudio-alsa stack, cant find an appropriate package in Debian, though -- any hints? |
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| 13:19.21 | linuxthefish | hi, when running smbpasswd i get a segmentation fault - "segfault at 10 ip b6099788 sp bf8d3730 error 4 in libnettle.so.4.7[b6077000+33000]" |
| 13:19.47 | winsen | hi all |
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| 13:20.34 | winsen | can you please tell me how can I show network list in my area with netwrok manager? |
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| 13:25.14 | goldkatze | winsen: depends on interface you use? |
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| 13:28.19 | goldkatze | winsen: try sth like: nmcli dev wifi list |
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| 13:29.51 | winsen | goldkatze: hi, is that command line? because I need it on GUI |
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| 13:31.45 | winsen | goldkatze: are you still there? how do we call when you configure network interfaces manually? |
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| 13:33.12 | goldkatze | Yes, it's a terminal command; might have to be preceded with "nmcli dev wifi on"; I'm not sure, as I don't use network-manager (am using connman). As for GUI, install plasma-nm and/or plasma-widget-networkmanagement, if using KDE, and use those |
| 13:33.29 | winsen | goldkatze: nmcli dev wifi list shows the list but I'd prefer to see it on network manager |
| 13:34.18 | winsen | I am using Gnme |
| 13:34.28 | winsen | gnome |
| 13:34.40 | winsen | debian8 |
| 13:34.55 | goldkatze | winsen: Networkmanager and the alternative connman are system daemons, running in background, somewhat like a driver -- you dont see them. You need to use some sort of interface, either terminal (nmcli, for instance) or graphical, like plasma-nm or network-manager-gnome |
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| 13:35.47 | goldkatze | Frankly, try searching the internet -- I bet there are a ton of tutorials and howtos on network-manager |
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| 13:37.35 | winsen | goldkatze: how can I switch between the two system network and network manager, connman, wicd..? |
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| 13:39.13 | winsen | between NM and system network? |
| 13:39.19 | goldkatze | winsen: First, download all install files you might need when playing around with networking: sudo aptitude -d install [everything you might need] |
| 13:39.52 | goldkatze | winsen: Then, remove the -d. sudo aptitude install connman; aptitude uninstall wicd; and so forth |
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| 13:40.22 | goldkatze | To use neither, just uninstall them, or stopp their services: sudo service connman stop |
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| 13:41.20 | winsen | I know that is not useless to have both wicd and network manager for example due to eventual conflict but not with system network right? |
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| 13:42.35 | winsen | goldkatze: 'stop connman' will stop all networking service? |
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| 13:43.11 | goldkatze | I'd decide for one way to do networking. Traditional (/etc/network), or managed (nm, connman, wicd). You don't need to uninstall /etc/network to use managers |
| 13:44.25 | goldkatze | Well, no. It'll stop connman, which manages your networking. It wont stop networking itself, you can always manager that yourself, using ifconfig/route/ip, iwconfig/iw/wpa_supplicant, iptables, ⦠|
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| 13:44.54 | awal1 | winsen, you can have wicd, nm and connman installed in same machine (I do sometimes). But only run one off them; disable others (sysstemctl disable network-manager.service/connman.service), or stop them (systemctl stop connman.service ..., depends on what you want |
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| 13:46.30 | awal1 | or dont use them all, and manage your networking via /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:47.04 | winsen | goldkatze: I agree. but sometimes. It's useful to have alternative in case |
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| 13:48.00 | winsen | awall: hi, what kind of tool used to manage them all. how do you stop each of one? |
| 13:48.37 | goldkatze | winsen: I'd say, if you have to ask those questions: network-manager is most common, followed by wicd I'd say, trailed by connman. Try them in that order, for least hassle. Whichever you end up in the long run, manual config will always work: just stop the manager, and fix it yourself. then you have networking back up, and can figure out a proper, managed solution. that might be best approach for an inexperienced user :-) |
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| 13:49.34 | goldkatze | winsen: man systemctl && man service |
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| 13:50.38 | awal1 | winsen, if you have network-manager, wicd and connman and you paln to use wicd disable others (systemctl disable network-manager.service connman.service) (you can avoid .service) |
| 13:51.00 | winsen | How can I disable '/etc/network/interfaces' when I am using network manager for example? should I just add '#' on the list r...? |
| 13:51.01 | awal1 | that will prevent nm&conman from being loaded at boot |
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| 13:51.23 | awal1 | just comment what you have added |
| 13:52.01 | bakwards | with a # |
| 13:52.24 | winsen | Now I am using netwok manager and I'd like to add '/etc/network/interfaces' and swich between the two |
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| 13:52.56 | winsen | I think it's enough |
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| 13:53.23 | winsen | I didn't try wicd |
| 13:53.42 | awal1 | I use wicd |
| 13:53.46 | winsen | nor connman |
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| 13:54.19 | gr8 | hi, I am trying to set up LVM using system-config-lvm. when I try to initialize a block device, I get "The path you specified does not exist.". Any ideas? |
| 13:54.36 | awal1 | for me, wicd works better for wifi |
| 13:54.53 | bakwards | means your path is not valid |
| 13:55.12 | winsen | do you know how can I show graphically netwok list in my area with netwrk manager by the way? |
| 13:55.53 | winsen | awall? |
| 13:56.13 | awal1 | winsen, install network-manager-gnome pkg |
| 13:56.41 | awal1 | if you run gnome, xfce, lxde or any other WM |
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| 13:58.01 | awal1 | that for learn about systemctl and service. check that as normal user when you want, winsen |
| 13:58.15 | awal1 | man = manual |
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| 14:00.06 | awal1 | winsen, also there are cli frontends for NM |
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| 14:01.27 | winsen | goldkatze, awall: I'll try them. thank you |
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| 14:01.50 | winsen | awall: cli frontends? |
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| 14:03.22 | winsen | awall: you didn't tell if you used any special tool t manage three (nm, wicd connman)? |
| 14:03.37 | awal1 | Command Line Interface |
| 14:03.55 | awal1 | winsen, I use wicd |
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| 14:04.48 | bakwards | Will systemd replace grub as a bootloader? |
| 14:04.51 | awal1 | wicd installs by default wicd-gtk, a gtk frontend fow wicd |
| 14:04.53 | winsen | awall: ok just : sysstemctl disable network-manager.service for instance? |
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| 14:05.38 | awal1 | winsen, open a terminal as regula user, not root and run man systemctl |
| 14:05.53 | awal1 | check disable , stop explications |
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| 14:07.08 | winsen | awall: what about 'sysstemctl stop network-manager.service' do you think this could have conflict if you switched to wicd or connman once you reboot a machine? |
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| 14:08.20 | winsen | awall: ok, I'll try. the best way to be sure |
| 14:08.28 | awal1 | winsen, nm, wicd, connman/interfaces may conflict when running at same time |
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| 14:09.04 | awal1 | for avoid conflict, just run one, stop or disable other |
| 14:09.19 | awal1 | in your case disable is more suitable |
| 14:09.24 | winsen | I mean when you just say 'stop' service instead of 'disable' |
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| 14:09.51 | winsen | I see ok |
| 14:09.56 | awal1 | disable will prevent that service from starting when you boot your system |
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| 14:10.29 | awal1 | stop you use it once your system is booted yet, including that service |
| 14:11.05 | winsen | awall: how do you show network list on nm graphically? |
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| 14:11.54 | awal1 | winsen, I told you: install the package called network-manager-gnome |
| 14:12.14 | winsen | awal1: "stop you use it once your system is booted yet, including that service:" exactly what I meant. |
| 14:12.28 | awal1 | you will get an icon in your systemtray for manage your net |
| 14:12.50 | winsen | awall: however that's what I installed network-manager-gnome |
| 14:13.18 | winsen | I'll try to reinstall it |
| 14:13.25 | awal1 | winsen, coffe time here , sorry. I told you check the manual (man systemctl) ; you'll find a better explanation |
| 14:13.47 | winsen | awall: you've been helpfull man. thanks |
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| 14:16.05 | SpeedyG | nmcli is quite nice when you learn to work with it :) |
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| 14:17.38 | awal1 | winsen, if you're not familiar with many debian stuff, the best way is: make a standard install (install X desktop task), create a VM for debian and play there; when you done prefectly apply in real hardware |
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| 14:25.22 | winsen | awal1: it's ok thanks |
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| 14:30.46 | eSa| | hi |
| 14:30.59 | iflema | o/ |
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| 14:58.21 | OrbsTheorem | Hello, I'm trying to install debian on a harddrive from which I cannot boot |
| 14:58.59 | nemesis545 | you have iso's in the hard drive ? OrbsTheorem |
| 14:58.59 | OrbsTheorem | I'm planning to kexec into it. If I install the base set of packages with aptitude in a custom root, would that work? |
| 14:59.14 | OrbsTheorem | the hd is completely empty |
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| 15:00.25 | nemesis545 | what item can boot? lan, cdrom? |
| 15:01.03 | OrbsTheorem | It's a cloud droplet, it can only boot the preinstalled system |
| 15:01.33 | OrbsTheorem | but I just attached a new volume, created a luks volume and a new filesystem |
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| 15:01.59 | OrbsTheorem | so my idea is to kexec into this disk from initramfs |
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| 15:03.00 | OrbsTheorem | I've done similar stuff on archlinux with pacstrap, but I'm not installing arch on a server :) |
| 15:03.46 | OrbsTheorem | but, I don't know if telling aptitude to install the base packages in a custom root will suffice or debian has boot-specific stuff |
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| 15:08.10 | OrbsTheorem | anyone? |
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| 15:10.23 | eSa| | OrbsTheorem my best has been a netinstall |
| 15:11.18 | OrbsTheorem | my problem is that I cannot boot a CD nor I don't have a screen/console |
| 15:12.26 | OrbsTheorem | I mean, I could kexec into the cd, but I doubt the installer would be able to mount my volume |
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| 15:12.56 | OrbsTheorem | besides, I wouldn't be able to speak to the installer, as kexec'ing would kill my ssh connection |
| 15:13.39 | eSa| | I don't know what kexec is |
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| 15:14.45 | OrbsTheorem | kexec is a way of executing another kernel on the fly. Basically like a hot reboot in which (roughly) the processor starts executing instructions of the new kernel without ever returning back from it |
| 15:15.18 | OrbsTheorem | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kexec |
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| 15:15.44 | nemesis545 | mmm and chroot ? |
| 15:15.52 | eSa| | I see |
| 15:16.09 | OrbsTheorem | chroot changes the process execution context, but the kernel is still the same |
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| 15:16.59 | bakwards | A chroot is a way of isolating applications from the rest of your computer, by putting them in a jail. This is particularly useful if you are testing an application which could potentially alter important system files, or which may be insecure. |
| 15:20.21 | eSa| | OrbsTheorem: you could try virtualization |
| 15:21.23 | OrbsTheorem | I think I need processor to be in hypervisor mode for that |
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| 15:21.54 | OrbsTheorem | I don't think I can be in hypervisor mode if there's already an hypervisor abode me |
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| 15:22.35 | OrbsTheorem | I'm thinking in just copying my curent rootfs into the drive and then cleaning it up. But I fear it's too dirty.. |
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| 15:22.47 | OrbsTheorem | I mean, I have tons of packages I don't use anymore... |
| 15:22.55 | teraflops | OrbsTheorem: you can do nested kvm as in virtmanager running in a kvm VM |
| 15:23.12 | teraflops | s/do/try. it works here |
| 15:23.31 | OrbsTheorem | oh, I didn't know that was possible |
| 15:23.36 | teraflops | it is |
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| 15:24.20 | OrbsTheorem | hmm, that's an option. I could run on a virtualized environment just to install ... |
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| 15:36.03 | duelle | Hello, how is the encrypted volume feature using a random key supposed to be used? Is there a guide or detailed explanation somewhere? |
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| 15:46.45 | OrbsTheorem | debootstrap is what I was looking for :D |
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| 15:47.39 | OrbsTheorem | now, let's just figure out how to use it :) |
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| 15:50.31 | eSa| | OrbsTheorem: :) I've used it succesfully |
| 15:50.58 | OrbsTheorem | I'm reading the manpage, any advices? |
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| 15:58.24 | teraflops | OrbsTheorem: deboostrap is similar to pacstrap (I read you come from archlinux) |
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| 15:59.23 | eSa| | OrbsTheorem: enjoy |
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| 16:00.58 | OrbsTheorem | teraflops: yep, just want to make sure about syntax and that it will actually do what I want |
| 16:01.09 | OrbsTheorem | what is the second stage for? |
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| 16:04.48 | nikoma | Can somebody help me understand this definition? |
| 16:04.51 | nikoma | http://mathb.in/75862 |
| 16:04.59 | nikoma | what exactly is \underline{M}? |
| 16:05.12 | nikoma | To me it seems that simply \underline{M} = M |
| 16:05.23 | duelle | nikoma: That is LateX. And underline defines the 'M' as being underlined. |
| 16:05.35 | nikoma | I know, I typed it up |
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| 16:05.50 | nikoma | I am having conceptual problems about the definition |
| 16:05.53 | nikoma | not typesetting |
| 16:06.46 | duelle | Ah ok, sorry nikoma. |
| 16:07.00 | OrbsTheorem | from what I understand \underline{M} is the name they use for the set entrained by multiplication of two monoids |
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| 16:07.50 | nikoma | so, right M-action is a function - \cdot - : M x M -> M, and the M-set is then simply M, right? |
| 16:08.00 | nikoma | or where am I misunderstanding this? |
| 16:08.23 | duelle | Hello, how is the encrypted volume feature using a random key supposed to be used? Is there a guide or detailed explanation somewhere? |
| 16:08.48 | OrbsTheorem | nikoma: Xes, I think so |
| 16:09.24 | OrbsTheorem | Although I'm not sure if M = \underline{M} |
| 16:09.50 | nikoma | http://mathworld.wolfram.com/G-Set.html |
| 16:09.51 | OrbsTheorem | it is true if the multiplication is closed (stable), but I don't know the context :) |
| 16:10.11 | nikoma | if we go by this definition for example, then M = G = S, so M = \underline{M}? |
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| 16:11.36 | nikoma | OrbsTheorem: I will screenshot the context ok? |
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| 16:12.39 | OrbsTheorem | okay |
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| 16:14.27 | nikoma | OrbsTheorem: Here's the context http://i.imgur.com/ppeALBA.png |
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| 16:14.55 | OrbsTheorem | got a counter example: Let M be the set of imaginary numbers. The product of both elements is not in the imaginary set, but in the real |
| 16:15.33 | nikoma | counterexample to what? |
| 16:15.50 | nikoma | to \underline{M} = M? |
| 16:15.58 | OrbsTheorem | to MxM=\underline{M} => M=\underline{M} |
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| 16:18.43 | nikoma | It's so strange, I mean by definition we have that the right M-set (i.e. \underline{M}) is equal to the first set in the cartesian product M x M, i.e. \underline{M} |
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| 16:18.47 | nikoma | = M |
| 16:19.12 | nikoma | I forgot to close the parenthesis in the previous post :( |
| 16:19.36 | nikoma | oh, I didn't |
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| 16:19.44 | nikoma | right? |
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| 16:20.44 | OrbsTheorem | post? which post? xD euh, I don't see how the definition is in conflict with what you published |
| 16:21.18 | nikoma | I just don't understand the purpose of the definition at all. |
| 16:21.40 | nikoma | What do we get by introducing \underline{M} when in fact M = \underline{M}? |
| 16:22.15 | OrbsTheorem | can you probe M = \underline{M}? |
| 16:22.28 | OrbsTheorem | Im still not sure about it |
| 16:22.58 | nikoma | that's why I probably misunderstand the definition because to me M = \underline{M} follows trivially from the definition |
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| 16:23.58 | OrbsTheorem | from the definition one can say they don't have the same dimension |
| 16:24.21 | OrbsTheorem | MxM = M^2 /= M |
| 16:24.44 | OrbsTheorem | yeah, that's it |
| 16:24.53 | OrbsTheorem | they're are not the same kind of object |
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| 16:26.22 | OrbsTheorem | if for every element of M you have M different "M-actions" that implies you have a total of M*M elements |
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| 16:26.47 | OrbsTheorem | the set of sets of M-actions is \underline{m} |
| 16:27.01 | OrbsTheorem | (That's a way of seing it) |
| 16:27.21 | nikoma | Ok, let me state how I understand it, in general let us have a monoid M, a set S, a right M-action S x M -> S, then the right M-set is equal to S |
| 16:27.55 | nikoma | In our case we have S = M (with forgotten structure) |
| 16:27.58 | nikoma | so |
| 16:28.04 | nikoma | \underline{M} = M |
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| 16:29.35 | OrbsTheorem | I still don't see why the M-set is equal to S |
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| 16:30.06 | nikoma | That's the definition of the M-set |
| 16:30.14 | nikoma | or do I have a wrong definition? |
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| 16:30.29 | nikoma | what's the definition of M-set? |
| 16:31.04 | OrbsTheorem | I don't know, I'm just using the property you told me MxM=>M^2+ |
| 16:31.27 | nikoma | I don't know what property that is |
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| 16:31.44 | OrbsTheorem | the M-set is the first quadrant in the cartesian plane |
| 16:31.45 | nikoma | I am using the definition from here |
| 16:32.14 | nikoma | what's the cartesian plane for general monoids? |
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| 16:32.35 | nikoma | I am using the definition from here |
| 16:32.37 | nikoma | http://mathworld.wolfram.com/G-Set.html |
| 16:32.45 | nikoma | maybe the definition differs for monoids? |
| 16:32.54 | OrbsTheorem | 18:18 < nikoma> It's so strange, I mean by definition we have that the right M-set (i.e. \underline{M}) is equal to the first set in the cartesian product M x M, i.e. \underline{M} |
| 16:33.46 | nikoma | well, that simply means \underline{M} = M |
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| 16:35.10 | OrbsTheorem | I'm sorry, you're right, if f(x,s) belongs to S, then f goes to S |
| 16:36.22 | OrbsTheorem | then MxM=>M <=> S=M |
| 16:37.01 | nikoma | What does MxM=>M mean? |
| 16:37.41 | OrbsTheorem | there is a map that takes two elements of M and arrives at M |
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| 16:42.34 | eSa| | dpkg-query: attenzione: analisi del file "/var/lib/dpkg/status" vicino alla riga 53262 pacchetto "linux-image-2.6.32": errore nel campo stringa "Version" "matsui.1.0": il numero di versione non inizia con una cifra |
| 16:42.49 | eSa| | can I manually correct such a package? |
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| 16:44.48 | nikoma | oh my god, I thought I was in ##math, sorry everyone for posting here |
| 16:45.00 | eSa| | the error says that the version doesn't start with a number |
| 16:45.06 | OrbsTheorem | gg |
| 16:45.12 | eSa| | gg |
| 16:45.12 | OrbsTheorem | nikoma: gg ^^ |
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| 16:46.36 | OrbsTheorem | I didn't even know that mathematicians used IRC :) |
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| 17:21.52 | Olivier | Hello, I would like to install debian but I have a little problem : When I try to install debian, I have a message error about a release file |
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| 17:22.42 | Olivier | can you help me please ? |
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| 17:26.39 | Olivier | anybody ? |
| 17:26.45 | Lowl3v3l | Olivier, could you try being a little bit more specific? which iso do you use? did you verify a hashsum? when does the error pop up? what is the exact error message? |
| 17:28.26 | Olivier | the error message is : the file release can't be found |
| 17:28.50 | Lowl3v3l | Olivier, and when do you get this message? when booting the iso? |
| 17:29.13 | Olivier | no, after the choice of the language of the keyboard |
| 17:29.17 | Olivier | in the installation |
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| 17:29.59 | Lowl3v3l | what about my other questions? |
| 17:30.16 | Olivier | Lowl3v3l : and now, I can't install debian |
| 17:31.24 | Olivier | oh sorry, I use a iso with kde on it |
| 17:31.40 | Olivier | I not verify a hashsum |
| 17:32.07 | Lowl3v3l | "a iso with kde on it"... wow how specific. A testing image? or jessie? |
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| 17:32.19 | Lowl3v3l | i'd suggest using the netinstaller whenever possible though |
| 17:32.24 | Olivier | Jessie |
| 17:32.31 | Lowl3v3l | and verifying the image would be a good step |
| 17:32.44 | missmbob | Lowl3v3l: he was here yesterday with the same thing. using all sorts of fucked up ways to make a usb |
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| 17:32.59 | Olivier | I make a usb |
| 17:33.00 | Olivier | finally |
| 17:33.02 | missmbob | rufus, unetbootin, you name it. |
| 17:33.15 | Olivier | it's okay |
| 17:33.25 | Olivier | I make a usb with unetbootin |
| 17:33.28 | Lowl3v3l | missmbob, oh what could POSSIBLY go wrong with those? xD |
| 17:33.32 | missmbob | it's not okay. that's what i told you yesterday |
| 17:33.34 | missmbob | you just don't listen |
| 17:33.36 | Olivier | and I have a problem with the iso.. |
| 17:33.37 | missmbob | !unetbootin |
| 17:33.38 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 17:33.40 | missmbob | read that. again |
| 17:33.44 | missmbob | for fucks sake |
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| 17:34.05 | Olivier | hey, I try to use unetbootin but I remember what you say |
| 17:34.20 | Olivier | I use a program on ubuntu on the computer of a friend |
| 17:34.22 | Lowl3v3l | missmbob, wow you found the problem. i'd have taken some more time to figure it out. |
| 17:34.29 | missmbob | and you wonder why it's broken when i told you it'd be broken? |
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| 17:34.46 | Olivier | I have a error message in the installation |
| 17:34.51 | missmbob | no shit |
| 17:35.06 | Lowl3v3l | Olivier, when you ask for advice , are told why it doesn't work and STILL try the same thing again... well this doesn't make you seem to clever ;) |
| 17:35.07 | Olivier | about the file release |
| 17:35.37 | Lowl3v3l | Olivier, do it in a decent manner, use dd, verify both checksums ( iso + website and stick + website) and then go on from there... |
| 17:36.36 | Olivier | I tried everything and now the file release can't be found |
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| 17:37.14 | Olivier | by the installation program |
| 17:37.19 | Lowl3v3l | Olivier, obviously you didn't try the right thing , and that'd be using the fucking tool that was MADE exactly for such situations and is the only known tool to do the job well : dd. |
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| 17:39.39 | Olivier | okay but I need help for this because I can't make a thing correctly |
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| 17:40.13 | Lowl3v3l | Olivier, oh there is a tool to help you. Its called "man". type "man dd" in a terminal and be amazed. |
| 17:40.49 | eSa| | FrankenDebian and I may become friends ... :=) |
| 17:41.27 | Olivier | okay and after ? |
| 17:41.47 | Lowl3v3l | Olivier, after reading the manpage you will know what to do. |
| 17:41.50 | TomTomTo1 | Olivier: open a terminal, run cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdX; sync; where sdX is your usb device. done. |
| 17:42.24 | missmbob | yesterday he was on windows. fyi. so i told him about win32diskimager |
| 17:42.43 | Olivier | I use a computer of a friend |
| 17:42.44 | missmbob | !win32diskimager |
| 17:42.45 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 17:42.54 | Olivier | I make a usb |
| 17:43.02 | Olivier | the problem is the iso of the usb |
| 17:43.06 | Olivier | the installation |
| 17:43.11 | Olivier | it's not the usb |
| 17:43.13 | missmbob | no. the probably is how you made the usb |
| 17:43.17 | missmbob | jesus. i give up |
| 17:43.18 | Lowl3v3l | Olivier, nope the iso is you use the wrong fucking tool for fucks sake. |
| 17:43.25 | missmbob | problem* |
| 17:43.35 | Olivier | do you want a screenshot of my tool |
| 17:43.37 | Olivier | ? |
| 17:43.37 | Lowl3v3l | missmbob, little reality check : is my english that bad? |
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| 17:44.01 | missmbob | Lowl3v3l: he's french and refuses to join the french channel. yeah, we tried |
| 17:44.05 | Lowl3v3l | Olivier, we ALREADY know that unetbootin is a worthless waste of harddrive space. |
| 17:44.16 | Olivier | I don't use unetbootin |
| 17:44.27 | missmbob | so now you're a liar |
| 17:44.31 | Lowl3v3l | missmbob, oh thats sad :( though being french is no reason to not... you know, listen. |
| 17:45.16 | Olivier | I use a computer of a friend, her computer is on ubuntu |
| 17:45.20 | Olivier | i use multiwriter |
| 17:45.23 | RippyDippy | Is it possible to set a solid background color using feh? |
| 17:45.24 | TomTomTo1 | Olivier: open a terminal, run cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdX; sync; where sdX is your usb device. done. |
| 17:45.25 | missmbob | STOP |
| 17:45.31 | missmbob | listen to what TomTomTo1 said |
| 17:45.49 | missmbob | Olivier: asking for advice and not using is so frustrating. |
| 17:46.13 | bakwards | you can use dd |
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| 17:46.38 | Olivier | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3w2rdgY35NvelU3cWRPNW9SOG8/view?usp=sharing |
| 17:46.41 | Lowl3v3l | bakwards, been there, done that. |
| 17:46.43 | Olivier | the screenshot |
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| 17:47.14 | bakwards | rufus is good if you are on windows |
| 17:47.16 | missmbob | Olivier: why cant you listen? please. do what TomTomTo1 said |
| 17:47.18 | missmbob | no! |
| 17:47.19 | missmbob | !rufus |
| 17:47.19 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 17:47.23 | missmbob | never rufus |
| 17:47.35 | Olivier | it's not rufus ! |
| 17:47.37 | TomTomTo1 | Olivier: open a terminal, run cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdX; sync; where sdX is your usb device. done. |
| 17:47.41 | Olivier | I make cp |
| 17:47.42 | Lowl3v3l | Olivier, we do not give a shit about your screenshot... If you are unable to understand basic english then PLEASE join some french channel or what the fuck else. |
| 17:47.43 | Olivier | i do it |
| 17:47.45 | missmbob | i'm losing my goddamn mind |
| 17:48.05 | Lowl3v3l | missmbob, want to cry on my shoulder? i seem to be strong still! :D |
| 17:48.34 | jmcnaught | Lowl3v3l: it's okay to be frustrated but please don't be mean |
| 17:48.50 | jmcnaught | Olivier: have you read the instructions at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.fr ? |
| 17:49.20 | Olivier | jmcnaught : yes I read the instructions |
| 17:49.31 | Olivier | I use a other program for the usb on ubuntu |
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| 17:49.47 | jmcnaught | Olivier: if you're on a linux computer, us the cp command as documented there. _do not_ use any other program. |
| 17:50.03 | Olivier | I try but it's not work |
| 17:50.09 | Olivier | I try since 10 minutes |
| 17:50.19 | jmcnaught | Olivier: what was the exact command that you typed? what happened when you typed it? |
| 17:50.23 | Olivier | I make a usb but I have a problem with the installation |
| 17:50.25 | TomTomTo1 | Olivier: then give us the error msg. also, you have to be root. |
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| 17:51.35 | Olivier | i have a problem with my root |
| 17:51.47 | Olivier | I enter the correct password but it's not work |
| 17:52.33 | jmcnaught | Olivier: what command did you use to become root? |
| 17:52.37 | Olivier | su - |
| 17:52.54 | jmcnaught | Olivier: and you entered the root password (which is different than the user password)? |
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| 17:53.37 | Olivier | It's the same password for my user accound |
| 17:53.38 | Olivier | t |
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| 17:53.44 | missmbob | is it on ubuntu? i thought root was disabled by default and just left with sudo |
| 17:53.52 | Olivier | I try with sudo |
| 17:54.01 | Olivier | but it's don't work |
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| 17:54.12 | Olivier | I tried man dd |
| 17:54.30 | Lowl3v3l | missmbob, well you could sudo su, but the password is invalidated, yes |
| 17:55.00 | Olivier | I can't enter in root, I can use only sudo |
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| 17:55.40 | Olivier | But i want to know how can i found the file : release |
| 17:55.49 | Olivier | this file can't be found on my iso |
| 17:55.52 | missmbob | heh |
| 17:56.01 | Olivier | .. |
| 17:56.42 | Olivier | missmbob, yes ? |
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| 17:58.08 | TomTomTo1 | Olivier: sudo cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdX; sync; where sdX is your usb device. |
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| 17:58.18 | Olivier | hold on... |
| 17:58.29 | Olivier | I enter the name of my usb ? |
| 17:58.30 | jmcnaught | Olivier: and if that doesn't work, please show us the error message |
| 17:58.44 | Olivier | hold on I take a picture |
| 17:59.09 | jmcnaught | Olivier: http://paste.debian.net/ text pastes are better than pictures :) |
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| 17:59.55 | Olivier | hold on... |
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| 18:01.46 | Olivier | jmcnaught : the cd-rom does not seem a valid release file or that file could not be read correctlyt |
| 18:01.49 | Olivier | I have this |
| 18:02.35 | Olivier | this is the excact error |
| 18:02.53 | TomTomTo1 | because you used the wrong program to create it. you have to use cp. |
| 18:03.00 | TomTomTo1 | Olivier, run sudo fdisk -l first and check what device path your usb has. could be /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc ... |
| 18:03.25 | Olivier | okay |
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| 18:04.04 | jmcnaught | Olivier: do you understand that we think this problem was caused by *how* you copied the the ISO file to the USB? We're asking you to do it using the method documented in the install manual chapter i linked you to above. |
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| 18:05.16 | Olivier | yes and no, I think you understand now but before no because a person told to me : i'm a liar |
| 18:05.43 | Olivier | https://paste.debian.net/787305/ |
| 18:06.25 | Olivier | TomTomTol: https://paste.debian.net/787305/ |
| 18:06.29 | missmbob | no usb on there |
| 18:06.53 | Olivier | oh sorry, I disconnect the usb, it's my error |
| 18:06.55 | jmcnaught | Olivier: did you run "fdisk -l" on your friend's Ubuntu computer, or did you run it from within the Debian Installer ? |
| 18:07.08 | Olivier | yes |
| 18:07.14 | jmcnaught | Olivier: which one? |
| 18:07.18 | Olivier | sorry,I disconnect the usb it's my error |
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| 18:08.33 | Olivier | https://paste.debian.net/787306/ |
| 18:08.55 | Olivier | now I connect the usb |
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| 18:09.34 | jmcnaught | Olivier: so the command you want to use is "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb" (do not add a number after sdb) |
| 18:09.35 | missmbob | Olivier: sudo cp installer.iso /dev/sdb (NOT /dev/sdb1) |
| 18:09.49 | jmcnaught | yes.. with sudo |
| 18:10.17 | Olivier | p: impossible d'évaluer 'installer.iso': Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type |
| 18:10.35 | TomTomTo1 | you have to give the correct path and file name. |
| 18:10.36 | jmcnaught | Olivier: you need to use the actually file name of the ISO file that you downloaded |
| 18:10.49 | Olivier | jmcnaught : oh... |
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| 18:11.10 | awal1 | Olivier, as french spoken, you may want to use #debian-fr. you may be better served |
| 18:11.13 | Olivier | so if the name of the iso is : debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso |
| 18:11.17 | Olivier | The command is ? |
| 18:11.35 | awal1 | Olivier, where is your debian iso image? in Téléchargement ? |
| 18:11.40 | missmbob | Olivier: full stop. you're using live? |
| 18:11.45 | Olivier | no |
| 18:11.47 | missmbob | forsees uefi issues |
| 18:11.59 | missmbob | what do you mean no? you posted a live iso |
| 18:12.07 | Olivier | I don't know because in the menu of the iso i have install |
| 18:12.23 | Olivier | and a friend of this channel give me this iso |
| 18:12.34 | Olivier | his name is dae or other name |
| 18:13.01 | jmcnaught | Olivier: debian live images are not recommended for installing, the biggest reason is that they do not support UEFI. Please download an installer ISO instead. Is this a laptop computer? |
| 18:13.11 | Olivier | yes |
| 18:13.16 | jmcnaught | !firmware image |
| 18:13.16 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 18:13.28 | jmcnaught | Olivier: please download that image ^^ |
| 18:13.31 | Olivier | but in the installation, debian don't detect internet connection |
| 18:13.50 | Olivier | I download everything |
| 18:13.51 | Olivier | ? |
| 18:14.03 | jmcnaught | Olivier: the firmware image that dpkg linked to above is much more likely to work with wifi |
| 18:14.17 | Olivier | okay but how can I install this |
| 18:14.23 | Olivier | this is not a iso |
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| 18:15.08 | awal1 | Olivier, I suggest you something: cn you forget all what you have done before and start newly? |
| 18:15.14 | Olivier | yes |
| 18:15.18 | TomTomTo1 | awal1: psht. |
| 18:15.20 | Olivier | I have the same idea |
| 18:15.36 | TomTomTo1 | Olivier: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:15.49 | awal1 | cTomTomTo1, he is asking about the same problem since 3 days now :P |
| 18:16.10 | awal1 | so I thought that it's better he start from 0 |
| 18:16.20 | TomTomTo1 | we had been there. |
| 18:16.34 | Olivier | yes it's true |
| 18:16.35 | missmbob | Olivier: so then the command would be sudo cp firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb after you download that iso |
| 18:16.43 | missmbob | Olivier: then sudo sync |
| 18:16.44 | Olivier | okay |
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| 18:17.08 | Olivier | so if I understand, this iso is to install debian for wifi ? |
| 18:17.14 | TomTomTo1 | yes |
| 18:17.16 | Olivier | okay |
| 18:17.21 | jmcnaught | more or less |
| 18:17.23 | missmbob | and hope to god you don't have secure boot |
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| 18:17.44 | Olivier | missmbob : don't worry... |
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| 18:17.51 | awal1 | Olivier, when the image you download will be saved in /home/Olivier/Téléchargement ? |
| 18:18.00 | Olivier | yes |
| 18:18.07 | Olivier | the image is downloaded |
| 18:18.28 | Olivier | in /home/Olivier/Téléchargements |
| 18:18.56 | Olivier | and after I enter this : sudo cp firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb? |
| 18:19.03 | TomTomTo1 | Olivier: open a terminal, run cd /home/Olivier/Téléchargements; first. |
| 18:19.17 | awal1 | Olivier so open a terminal and execute cp /home/Olivier/Téléchargement /dev/sdb ; sync |
| 18:19.32 | Olivier | cp or cd ? |
| 18:19.33 | missmbob | Olivier: sudo. don't forget. |
| 18:19.40 | Maxxe | Tu veux transferer le fichier tout simplement? |
| 18:19.53 | TomTomTo1 | and ignore what awal1 wrote. |
| 18:19.54 | Olivier | maxxe : pas exactement |
| 18:19.55 | missmbob | Olivier: you use cd to get into the dir first. then cp |
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| 18:20.07 | missmbob | we're not going to turn french again today...please |
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| 18:20.16 | Maxxe | Lmao |
| 18:20.21 | Olivier | missmbob : sorry, it's maxxe |
| 18:20.29 | awal1 | too much people talking so TomTomTo1, excuses I forgot the iso path :P |
| 18:20.35 | Maxxe | Always put the blame on me :( |
| 18:20.49 | Olivier | sorry :( |
| 18:21.00 | jmcnaught | c'est pas grave |
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| 18:21.05 | Maxxe | Lol |
| 18:21.09 | missmbob | Olivier: anyway we want to see the command and output. paste.debian.net |
| 18:21.16 | Olivier | okay so I enter in the terminal : sudo cd /home/Olivier/Téléchargements |
| 18:21.21 | Olivier | it's correct ? |
| 18:21.27 | missmbob | Olivier: no. cd doesn't need sudo. cp does |
| 18:21.33 | Olivier | oh... |
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| 18:21.47 | Maxxe | type rm /home/Olivier/Téléchargements |
| 18:21.54 | missmbob | Maxxe: stop |
| 18:21.57 | Maxxe | Lolll |
| 18:22.00 | Olivier | cd, cp rm I don't know...... |
| 18:22.02 | missmbob | that's not funny |
| 18:22.06 | awal1 | Olivier run cp /home/Olivier/Téléchargement/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb ; sync |
| 18:22.06 | Maxxe | Don't do rm lol |
| 18:22.10 | missmbob | Olivier: don't. he's screwing with you |
| 18:22.33 | awal1 | Téléchargements ^ |
| 18:22.36 | missmbob | Maxxe: fucking with people isn't nice or cool |
| 18:22.41 | Olivier | bash: cd: /home/Olivier/Téléchargements: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce typ |
| 18:22.56 | Olivier | in the command I add ; ? |
| 18:22.58 | Olivier | or not ? |
| 18:23.07 | jmcnaught | Olivier: is your user named Olivier? (it's case sensitive) |
| 18:23.19 | Olivier | yes |
| 18:23.24 | Olivier | it's my name |
| 18:23.35 | Maxxe | Liar |
| 18:23.41 | Olivier | ? |
| 18:23.48 | jmcnaught | Olivier: instead try "cd ~/Téléchargements" |
| 18:23.48 | Maxxe | Just kidding :p |
| 18:24.10 | Olivier | I have this : ~/Téléchargements$ |
| 18:24.16 | Olivier | in blue |
| 18:24.44 | jmcnaught | Olivier: you are ready for the "sudo cp firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb" command |
| 18:25.36 | Olivier | okay, hold on... |
| 18:25.56 | Olivier | I enter my password and after nothing |
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| 18:26.14 | Maxxe | Hence why my grandma still uses Windows, too unreliable |
| 18:26.16 | missmbob | Olivier: you need to go to http://paste.debian.net and paste the exact commands and output for us |
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| 18:26.43 | Olivier | http://paste.debian.net/787311/ |
| 18:26.46 | Olivier | here |
| 18:26.47 | jmcnaught | Olivier: it will take a moment for that command to complete, then it should return you to a command prompt. |
| 18:26.56 | Olivier | oh okay |
| 18:27.08 | Olivier | okay now I have something |
| 18:27.20 | Olivier | I have the same thing telechargements in blue |
| 18:27.23 | TomTomTo1 | \o/ |
| 18:27.30 | jmcnaught | Olivier: now do "sudo sync" |
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| 18:27.45 | Olivier | okay |
| 18:27.48 | Olivier | and after ? |
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| 18:28.13 | jmcnaught | Olivier: try booting the computer with it |
| 18:28.25 | Olivier | okay I try : suspens... |
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| 18:29.11 | Olivier | hold on i'm in the bios |
| 18:29.29 | TomTomTo1 | holds on to jmcnaught |
| 18:29.37 | Olivier | okay I have install |
| 18:29.41 | Olivier | I click on it ? |
| 18:29.43 | TomTomTo1 | \o/ |
| 18:29.48 | Olivier | okay |
| 18:30.18 | Olivier | I have the same error message :( |
| 18:30.22 | Olivier | release |
| 18:30.26 | TomTomTo1 | :/ |
| 18:31.16 | Olivier | so ? |
| 18:31.16 | jmcnaught | Olivier: it's time to try 1) different USB stick and/or 2) same USB stick in different computer |
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| 18:31.29 | Olivier | jmcnaught : ? |
| 18:31.32 | awal1_ | Olivier, are you sure you have downloaded the image from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 18:31.54 | Lowl3v3l | Olivier, and did you check the checksum? |
| 18:31.55 | TomTomTo1 | yes, he pasted the command he typed. |
| 18:31.59 | Olivier | yes |
| 18:32.09 | Olivier | I make everything |
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| 18:33.19 | Olivier | and now ? |
| 18:33.42 | TomTomTo1 | what exactly did it complain about? |
| 18:33.42 | missmbob | 18:31 < jmcnaught> Olivier: it's time to try 1) different USB stick and/or 2) same USB stick in different computer |
| 18:34.12 | Olivier | I tried every usb stick since three days |
| 18:34.15 | Olivier | :( |
| 18:34.23 | Olivier | and this broke 2 usb sticks |
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| 18:34.44 | awal1_ | why you dont use a dvd ? |
| 18:34.47 | jmcnaught | Olivier: if you plug the USB back into the Ubuntu computer what does the computer do? |
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| 18:35.17 | Olivier | I can't make this now because I use the computer for talk to you |
| 18:36.16 | Olivier | it's weird because in the iso, the release file is here... |
| 18:36.21 | jmcnaught | Olivier: just plug it into the running Ubuntu, does it mount the device and let you navigate it? |
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| 18:36.37 | Olivier | oh.. |
| 18:36.38 | Olivier | okay |
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| 18:37.03 | Olivier | okay ubuntu mount the usb |
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| 18:37.36 | Olivier | jmcnaught : and after ? |
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| 18:38.09 | jmcnaught | Olivier: and there are files there, directories like boot, css, dists etc? |
| 18:38.19 | Olivier | yes |
| 18:38.27 | Olivier | boot |
| 18:38.34 | Olivier | css etc... |
| 18:38.46 | Olivier | everything |
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| 18:39.19 | jmcnaught | Olivier: was the USB drive plugged into a USB hub? |
| 18:39.27 | Olivier | jmcnaught : yes |
| 18:39.49 | jmcnaught | Olivier: can you copying the ISO to the USB drive without the hub? |
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| 18:39.57 | Olivier | no |
| 18:40.23 | scope | is there any way to use debian to mount an iphones root file system that isnt jailbroken |
| 18:40.48 | Olivier | oh shit : no i don'T have usb hub |
| 18:40.51 | Olivier | sorry |
| 18:41.03 | Olivier | my fault |
| 18:41.32 | jmcnaught | Olivier: okay. and when you boot the USB drive, it makes it part way and then complains about being unable to find the Releases file? |
| 18:41.45 | Olivier | jmcnaught : yes |
| 18:42.01 | Olivier | jmcnaught : can I ask you a question ? |
| 18:42.40 | Olivier | jmcnaught : Can I install debian with a official iso without desktop ? |
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| 18:43.09 | Olivier | jmcnaught : because with this the release was detected, not for my internet connection |
| 18:43.20 | jmcnaught | Olivier: Debian does not require you to install a desktop environment if that is what you mean |
| 18:43.31 | Olivier | gnome, kde ? |
| 18:43.34 | Olivier | no... |
| 18:43.36 | Olivier | ? |
| 18:43.49 | jmcnaught | Olivier: gnome, kde are optional |
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| 18:44.02 | Olivier | yes but I need kde |
| 18:44.22 | jmcnaught | Olivier: so wait, what is the current problem? You don't get the complaint about Releases this time? |
| 18:44.41 | Olivier | oh sorry, I have a idea and this idea is bad finally |
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| 18:45.45 | Olivier | jmcnaught : okay, for the releases ? |
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| 18:46.03 | jmcnaught | Olivier: if you manage to get a command-line-only install of Debian onto the computer you can always install KDE after Debian boots for the first time post-installation |
| 18:46.23 | jmcnaught | Olivier: please be very clear and descriptive about the problem you are having booting the installer disk that you just prepared. |
| 18:46.43 | Olivier | jmcnaught : I have a message error: the file release was not detected or can't be read |
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| 18:47.45 | jmcnaught | Olivier: that happens when you boot the USB stick that you just prepared a few minutes ago? |
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| 18:47.53 | Olivier | yes |
| 18:48.28 | Olivier | jmcnaught : yes |
| 18:49.22 | jmcnaught | Olivier: i would still try it on a different computer, or with a different USB stick |
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| 18:50.19 | Olivier | I tried but I have the same problem |
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| 18:51.59 | Olivier | jmcnaught : it's the same problem |
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| 18:53.59 | Olivier | jmcnaught : are you here ? |
| 18:54.06 | jmcnaught | Olivier: with a different stick, or a different computer? |
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| 18:54.23 | Olivier | jmcnaught : different computer |
| 18:54.25 | Olivier | and stick |
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| 18:55.24 | jmcnaught | Olivier: from your http://paste.debian.net/787311/ it does seem like you did it correctly |
| 18:55.53 | awal1_ | Olivier, why not using a dvd? |
| 18:56.05 | Olivier | I don't have dvd |
| 18:57.51 | paludo | The package sikuli-ide doesn't open after installed from the repositories in jessie. Would someone try to replicate this? I'm trying to figure out if a local system problem. |
| 18:58.12 | Olivier | awal1 : and now ? |
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| 18:58.54 | jmcnaught | Olivier: well we do know that this does work for other people, so we need to figure out why it doesn't work for you using multiple USB disks and computers |
| 18:59.12 | Olivier | jmcnaught : okay |
| 18:59.30 | jmcnaught | Olivier: it's possible that the ISO file that you downloaded was corrupted while downloading, or when it was saved to the Ubuntu computer |
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| 19:00.20 | Olivier | okay but I download the iso 2 times |
| 19:00.37 | awal1_ | a bit surprised that the unofficial image has been downloaded in less the 3 minutes, as he said |
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| 19:01.02 | pseudonymous | isn't it easy enough to check ? Surely there's an MD5/SHA256 sum |
| 19:01.14 | Olivier | the iso : 256 mo |
| 19:01.31 | Lowl3v3l | pseudonymous, suggested it multiple times already |
| 19:02.15 | Olivier | I don't know how can I verify this |
| 19:02.46 | jmcnaught | Olivier: download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/SHA256SUMS into the same directory that has the ISO file |
| 19:03.12 | Olivier | i have nothing on this link... |
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| 19:03.36 | jmcnaught | Olivier: it should be a one line file |
| 19:03.57 | Olivier | on the link i have this : 4c554cf8cbdcc29f9e3f91b8458d0c252544a91a92a314de12e963e81b70be2f firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 19:05.05 | jmcnaught | Olivier: in your ~/Téléchargements directory run this command: sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS |
| 19:05.13 | Olivier | how ? |
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| 19:05.57 | awal1_ | in terminal execute cd ~/Téléchargements |
| 19:06.17 | awal1_ | then jmcnaught command |
| 19:06.35 | Olivier | SHA256SUMS: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type |
| 19:07.03 | jmcnaught | Olivier: please download that file and put it that directory |
| 19:07.15 | Olivier | I can't download the file |
| 19:07.22 | Olivier | on the link i don'T have a file |
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| 19:08.40 | jmcnaught | Olivier: then do this, "wget http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/SHA256SUMS" |
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| 19:10.19 | Olivier | jmcnaught : ok |
| 19:11.00 | Olivier | jmcnaught : requête HTTP transmise, en attente de la réponse⦠404 Not Found 2016-08-07 21:10:43 erreur 404 : Not Found. |
| 19:11.20 | jmcnaught | Olivier: you made a typo |
| 19:11.28 | Olivier | ? |
| 19:11.38 | Olivier | a what ? |
| 19:11.39 | bakwards | Do you need a fast computer to use debian |
| 19:11.46 | jmcnaught | Olivier: you could also go to this link in your browser, right-click on SHA256SUMS and use save as... http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 19:11.48 | Maxxe | Yes |
| 19:11.55 | Maxxe | i7 atleast |
| 19:12.13 | jmcnaught | Olivier: typo is english slang for a typing mistake |
| 19:12.29 | Olivier | okay and after |
| 19:12.31 | Maxxe | Une erreur de frappe, Olivier |
| 19:12.36 | Olivier | je sais... |
| 19:13.16 | Olivier | jmcnaught : okay and after ? |
| 19:13.24 | jmcnaught | Olivier: the goal for the past few minutes has been to get the files SHA256SUMS and firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso in the same directory so that you can run the command "sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS" let me know when you have done that |
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| 19:13.56 | Olivier | okay hold on |
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| 19:15.11 | paludo | Can someone run sudo aptitude install sikuli-ide on debian jessie, and then sikuli-ide on terminal to see if it works? Pleaaasseee, much appreciated |
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| 19:17.06 | jmcnaught | paludo: perhaps you could try running it from a terminal emulator and look for errors to research? |
| 19:17.19 | Olivier | jmcnaught : okay and after ? |
| 19:17.49 | paludo | Yep, I did that, there this old open bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=714393 |
| 19:17.50 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/714393 in sikuli-ide (open, wontfix): «sikuli-ide command does nothing except writing "[info] locale: fr_FR" when java alternative is pointing to sun (java-6-sun)»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-06-28; last modified: 2013-07-13. |
| 19:18.00 | jmcnaught | Olivier: what did the command output? |
| 19:18.33 | jmcnaught | paludo: are you using something other than the default java? |
| 19:18.33 | Olivier | jmcnaught : sha256sum: SHA256SUMS: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type |
| 19:19.38 | jmcnaught | Olivier: try it again. you need the files SHA256SUMS and firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso in the same directory for that command to work. Maybe it would be easier for you to get the SHA256SUMS file from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ (and right-click on the link, choose save as...) |
| 19:19.39 | paludo | I'm using oracle |
| 19:19.50 | paludo | That's the problems |
| 19:20.11 | Olivier | the directory is telechargements |
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| 19:20.25 | jmcnaught | paludo: i recommend trying it with openjdk then |
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| 19:21.41 | Olivier | jmcnaught : I have the same output |
| 19:22.01 | jmcnaught | paludo: it's very unlikely the package sikuli-ide would have been included in jessie if it did not work with the default openjdk-7 |
| 19:22.32 | jmcnaught | Olivier: keep trying until you figure it out. Look in a file manager or using the "ls" command to verify that both of those files are in the same directory |
| 19:22.34 | paludo | It does make sense indeed |
| 19:22.55 | Olivier | folder or directory |
| 19:22.57 | Olivier | ? |
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| 19:23.28 | Olivier | because the directory is telechargement |
| 19:23.32 | jmcnaught | Olivier: folders and directories are the same thing |
| 19:23.38 | Olivier | okay |
| 19:23.43 | Olivier | I tried but I have the same output |
| 19:24.19 | jmcnaught | Olivier: show us in a paste what you're doing |
| 19:24.34 | Olivier | sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS |
| 19:25.24 | missmbob | he wants to see everything. paste.debian.net. include commands and outputs in their entirety |
| 19:26.07 | Olivier | http://paste.debian.net/787320/ |
| 19:26.31 | missmbob | you're not in the folder |
| 19:26.37 | johnkeates | but I am! |
| 19:26.39 | Olivier | ? |
| 19:26.57 | johnkeates | is in everyone's folders... |
| 19:27.06 | missmbob | you at /home/Olivier and not /home/Olivier/Telewhateverthefuck |
| 19:27.20 | Olivier | oh |
| 19:27.33 | paludo | So I used the userspace workaround suggested in that link, simply added the jni libraries in LD_LIBRARY_PATH, and is working perfectly, thanks |
| 19:27.57 | Olivier | so how can I enter in the folder ? |
| 19:28.00 | jmcnaught | Olivier: you need to "cd ~/Téléchargements" to Change Directories. Also you added a %22 to the end of the wget command. |
| 19:28.07 | teraflops | Olivier: really? |
| 19:28.09 | missmbob | Olivier: you've gotta start listening more closely man |
| 19:28.38 | Olivier | okay I remember of the command, I listening since one hour |
| 19:28.54 | johnkeates | i think it's a language barrier |
| 19:29.13 | teraflops | i think hand holding has a limit |
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| 19:29.20 | johnkeates | not if you're in love. |
| 19:29.37 | paludo | even then |
| 19:29.38 | teraflops | johnkeates: I dont love Olivier :P |
| 19:29.41 | johnkeates | :p |
| 19:29.43 | teraflops | hehe |
| 19:29.45 | Olivier | ???? |
| 19:29.50 | johnkeates | !!!! |
| 19:29.50 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 19:29.57 | johnkeates | nice |
| 19:30.00 | jmcnaught | Olivier: i think you should try continuing in #debianfr |
| 19:30.11 | johnkeates | or #Telewhateverthefuck |
| 19:30.19 | johnkeates | that's gotta be the word of the day |
| 19:30.44 | Olivier | I try to connect to debianfr but I can't ! |
| 19:30.55 | Maxxe | /join #debianfr |
| 19:30.56 | jmcnaught | Olivier: "/join #debianfr" |
| 19:31.02 | johnkeates | works fine here |
| 19:31.04 | Olivier | i made this |
| 19:31.09 | Maxxe | did * |
| 19:31.16 | Olivier | I have no topic |
| 19:31.19 | Olivier | on debianfr |
| 19:31.21 | johnkeates | you don't need a topic |
| 19:31.24 | johnkeates | you need to type |
| 19:31.31 | Maxxe | /join #debianfr |
| 19:31.37 | Maxxe | Then speak buddy |
| 19:31.40 | missmbob | i told you that three days ago. you seriously never even tried? just ignored all of us who told you to go there? even today |
| 19:31.44 | Olivier | yes but I am the only person on debian fr |
| 19:31.52 | johnkeates | no you're not |
| 19:31.52 | missmbob | no space |
| 19:31.53 | Maxxe | I am there too. |
| 19:31.54 | Olivier | I tried |
| 19:31.58 | jmcnaught | Olivier: then you made another erreur de frappe |
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| 19:32.03 | missmbob | no one told you to put a spae |
| 19:32.05 | missmbob | space |
| 19:32.08 | johnkeates | there are 160 people in there |
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| 19:32.18 | johnkeates | just type, EXACTLY AS TYPED HTERE: /join #debianfr |
| 19:32.25 | AngeFede | absolutely |
| 19:32.29 | johnkeates | no spaces, no added stuff |
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| 19:32.31 | AngeFede | I'm on debianfr too |
| 19:32.32 | johnkeates | no french accents |
| 19:32.38 | Maxxe | Lolllll |
| 19:32.44 | Olivier | okay it's okay |
| 19:32.53 | Olivier | yes i know I'm stupid |
| 19:32.55 | johnkeates | débîånr is not debianfr |
| 19:33.04 | johnkeates | if you get there, they can help you better |
| 19:33.14 | johnkeates | since they have the same cultural background and thought process |
| 19:33.22 | johnkeates | so there is less miscommunication |
| 19:33.31 | jmcnaught | Olivier: bonne chance withe the francophones. please follow their instructions exactly and be patient if there is a delay |
| 19:34.01 | johnkeates | if you ask them something while dirnking/eating you might want to wait a bit since they won't respond until they're done |
| 19:34.05 | Olivier | okay thank you for your help and sorry for my stupidity |
| 19:34.10 | johnkeates | no problem |
| 19:34.16 | johnkeates | just hope you get your problems fixed |
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| 19:34.36 | johnkeates | bonne chance |
| 19:34.43 | johnkeates | if that's correct |
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| 19:39.18 | Maxxe | Yes it is, johnkeates. |
| 19:39.31 | Maxxe | He just did rm ~, I think it solved the problem |
| 19:39.41 | johnkeates | i suppose it would |
| 19:39.57 | johnkeates | it's almost as good as taking the computer for a good rinse in the shower |
| 19:39.58 | missmbob | guys, don't. that's really not okay |
| 19:40.11 | Maxxe | He did it already anyways |
| 19:40.11 | teraflops | please dont suggest that rm ~ shit |
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| 19:40.29 | Maxxe | olivier@olivier-Satellite-A300:~$ rm ~ rm: impossible de supprimer '/home/olivier': est un dossier olivier@olivier-Satellite-A300:~$ |
| 19:40.32 | johnkeates | i didn't follow, i exited debianfr, it was too french in there |
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| 19:41.06 | missmbob | he did it because you told him to |
| 19:41.14 | Olivier | i'm here ! |
| 19:41.20 | johnkeates | we could ask him to eat bag of flour |
| 19:41.21 | Maxxe | Don't blame me |
| 19:41.23 | johnkeates | hi olivier |
| 19:41.39 | missmbob | Maxxe: it's against channel guidelines so i can blame you |
| 19:41.41 | Olivier | yes I eat bag of flour yes yes yes |
| 19:41.42 | johnkeates | will you eat a bag of flour for our entertainment? |
| 19:41.45 | johnkeates | nice |
| 19:41.56 | johnkeates | i wonder, could you make bread by simply eating the ingredients |
| 19:41.58 | Maxxe | I didnt read the rules, sorry. |
| 19:41.58 | johnkeates | that would be neat |
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| 19:42.05 | Olivier | that a joke |
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| 19:42.08 | johnkeates | yes |
| 19:42.12 | johnkeates | but a tasty one |
| 19:42.15 | Olivier | and yes I'm not good in english |
| 19:42.18 | johnkeates | that's ok |
| 19:42.22 | johnkeates | many people are |
| 19:42.34 | Olivier | okay |
| 19:42.49 | johnkeates | i'm not good at hindi and mandarin, but there are billions of people who are |
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| 19:42.59 | johnkeates | or russian for that matter |
| 19:43.00 | Olivier | good exemple ! |
| 19:43.36 | Olivier | so, now? |
| 19:43.38 | johnkeates | I do know for a fact that in china electrical power is written as 'pressure' because they didn't have a word for it and it just stuck |
| 19:43.54 | johnkeates | so now you have electrical pressure and water pressure |
| 19:43.57 | johnkeates | it's kinda neat |
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| 19:44.24 | Olivier | okay so now for my problem I don't know... |
| 19:44.37 | johnkeates | me neither, try #debianfr |
| 19:44.41 | Olivier | maxxe : t'Es là oui ou non ? |
| 19:44.44 | Maxxe | Sup |
| 19:44.58 | Olivier | maxxe : et maintenant ? |
| 19:45.06 | Maxxe | I told you to reboot once you did the rm ~ |
| 19:45.19 | johnkeates | n'est #debianfr |
| 19:45.52 | teraflops | ok I'm going to be the annoying guy that suggest you to speak in english and keep ontopic |
| 19:46.24 | Olivier | teraflops : sure |
| 19:46.47 | Olivier | maxxe : If I reboot my computer, I think that not help |
| 19:46.58 | Maxxe | It might, just give it a try. |
| 19:47.00 | johnkeates | Olivier: could you explain your problem again |
| 19:47.05 | Olivier | okay |
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| 19:48.30 | Olivier | When I tried to install debian for the first time, by accident, while I formatted my computer |
| 19:49.00 | Olivier | like a stupid :( |
| 19:49.03 | Olivier | and now I have debian |
| 19:49.10 | Olivier | but I don't have internet connection |
| 19:49.14 | Olivier | and I don't have |
| 19:49.15 | Olivier | gnome |
| 19:49.16 | Olivier | kde |
| 19:49.19 | Olivier | etc.. |
| 19:49.25 | Olivier | I can't make a thing |
| 19:49.29 | Maxxe | How about you do a fresh, complete, install. |
| 19:49.32 | Olivier | and now my computer is Fucked |
| 19:49.34 | pseudonymous | Olivier: when I started out (Installing Red Hat Linux) I had not clue either. I think that's fairly normal :) |
| 19:50.01 | pseudonymous | no* |
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| 19:50.31 | Olivier | and now I can't make a thing on my computer |
| 19:51.04 | pseudonymous | Olivier: don't you have a wired connection (i.e. ethernet cable)? If so, it should be easy to get online |
| 19:51.04 | Olivier | so here my problem |
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| 19:51.47 | Olivier | yes but when I download a iso with kde, i dont have the release file |
| 19:51.56 | Olivier | and now I can't install debian |
| 19:52.12 | pseudonymous | release file ? |
| 19:52.31 | missmbob | because he copied the iso improperly when he did the kde iso |
| 19:52.36 | missmbob | and round and round we go |
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| 19:52.53 | missmbob | Olivier: you should stick to just asking #debianfr |
| 19:53.02 | Olivier | Finally, you are right |
| 19:53.14 | pseudonymous | missmbob: sure, but to some extent we were all teenagers trying to install something we didn't really comprehend at the time, were we not ? |
| 19:53.19 | Olivier | I'm okay on debian |
| 19:53.46 | missmbob | pseudonymous: sure and i've been helping him for days. |
| 19:53.54 | missmbob | trying to anyway |
| 19:53.55 | pseudonymous | Alright. So right now, what are you on? How are you here ? You're obviously on the internet to use IRC. Is this the same PC ? |
| 19:54.01 | Olivier | no |
| 19:54.22 | Olivier | I have the pc of a friend |
| 19:54.26 | Olivier | on ubuntu |
| 19:54.37 | Olivier | I like debian |
| 19:54.43 | pseudonymous | Olivier: alright, so you're on a Windows PC right now trying to make a USB stick for installation ? |
| 19:54.46 | Olivier | and I want install debian but I can't |
| 19:54.46 | Maxxe | Tbh |
| 19:54.57 | Olivier | I'm not on a windows pc |
| 19:54.57 | Maxxe | As a beginner, I'd use Manjaro, it helped me |
| 19:55.01 | Olivier | ubuntu pc |
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| 19:55.27 | pseudonymous | Simple is many things for many people. I personally jumped from Red Hat to a failed Debian install to Slackware :) |
| 19:55.39 | Olivier | yes but debian or ubuntu |
| 19:55.47 | Olivier | debian is the best right ? |
| 19:55.56 | pseudonymous | Olivier: ok, you're running Ubuntu right now, on another PC than the one you want to "fix" ? |
| 19:56.04 | Olivier | no |
| 19:56.05 | digdilem | Olivier, you may get a biased answer to that question here |
| 19:56.12 | Olivier | it's my pc I fucked |
| 19:56.17 | Olivier | I fucked my pc |
| 19:56.22 | teraflops | Olivier: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.fr#usb-copy-isohybrid |
| 19:56.23 | stoned | hey man |
| 19:56.28 | Olivier | yes |
| 19:56.34 | stoned | Would you stop trying to have sex with your pc already |
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| 19:56.42 | stoned | Forget Ubuntu. |
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| 19:56.52 | stoned | Install debian and call it a day |
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| 19:56.54 | Olivier | oh sorry, in french we use this word for a other thing |
| 19:56.55 | pseudonymous | Olivier: I know. But the PC you are using right now, is that your own ? What operating system is it running? (Windows? Ubuntu? Debian?) |
| 19:57.08 | Olivier | no, the pc of my friend is on ubutnu |
| 19:57.09 | missmbob | or have your friend who obviously installed ubuntu install ubuntu or debian on your computer. |
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| 19:57.31 | pseudonymous | Olivier: so - you are using your friend's PC right now ? |
| 19:57.31 | stoned | !tell Olivier about d-i |
| 19:57.40 | Olivier | yes |
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| 19:57.50 | teraflops | Olivier: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.fr#usb-copy-isohybrid if your machine is amd64 |
| 19:57.53 | stoned | Check your msg you got from dpkg |
| 19:57.55 | Olivier | he give me his pc |
| 19:57.56 | pseudonymous | Olivier: OK; and your friend is using Ubuntu, so you're on a Ubuntu PC right now |
| 19:58.02 | Olivier | yes |
| 19:58.10 | stoned | And you're trying to switch to debian? |
| 19:58.15 | stoned | OR simply unfuck your pc? |
| 19:58.23 | stoned | What's the goal here? |
| 19:58.38 | pseudonymous | Olivier: alright, and you're trying to write a debian ISO to a USB stick so that you can install Debian onto your own PC, right ? |
| 19:58.44 | Olivier | I trying to switch to debian and unfuck my pc |
| 19:58.47 | stoned | Cool |
| 19:58.50 | stoned | Welcome |
| 19:58.53 | Olivier | because I try to install debian |
| 19:59.10 | Olivier | pseudonymous : yes |
| 19:59.12 | teraflops | Olivier: the link i pasted above explains it in your native language, you can stay here socializing or you can read it |
| 19:59.16 | stoned | Olivier: how new is your hardware? Recent machine? or old one? |
| 19:59.24 | stoned | Olivier: wondering if you would need stable or testing |
| 19:59.27 | Olivier | I don't know |
| 19:59.30 | Olivier | a old recent |
| 19:59.34 | stoned | Well, first try stable. |
| 19:59.34 | Olivier | ? |
| 19:59.35 | stoned | Then we'll find out |
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| 20:00.06 | Olivier | But in first, I download a iso for debian |
| 20:00.15 | pseudonymous | teraflops: btw, thanks for the patience wrt routing & bridging last night. Eventually got going and now my Proxmox setup is working. Just wanted to thank you and let you know that it was appreciated :) |
| 20:00.20 | stoned | Olivier: follow the debian install guide you were linked. If you need the guidein french, you can find it online at debian.org |
| 20:00.25 | Olivier | and after, debian don't detected my wireless connection |
| 20:00.25 | missmbob | it's an old Satellite A300 laptop...because we've gone through this a million times. i think i know his social by now |
| 20:00.31 | Olivier | and now I have a terminal |
| 20:00.32 | Olivier | not kde |
| 20:00.35 | Olivier | gnome etc.. |
| 20:00.38 | Olivier | I have nothing |
| 20:00.38 | pseudonymous | missmbob: hahah :P |
| 20:00.46 | stoned | Ok, so you need a fw driver for your wifi on debian |
| 20:00.58 | stoned | It's probably something non-free which isn't in free debian repos |
| 20:01.01 | Olivier | missmbob : I don't know why but I forget this... |
| 20:01.11 | Olivier | but my own pc is a samsung |
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| 20:01.40 | Maxxe` | yup |
| 20:01.41 | Olivier | stoned : and I would like to install debian |
| 20:01.46 | pseudonymous | Olivier: can't you find an Ethernet cable to plug in? At least for a little while ? |
| 20:01.51 | Olivier | no |
| 20:02.14 | teraflops | pseudonymous: ah I'm glad to hear that, yw |
| 20:02.40 | johnkeates | Olivier: download the non-free ISO, burn it to a CD/DVD and reinstall |
| 20:02.49 | missmbob | he has no dvd |
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| 20:02.56 | Olivier | what is the link for the non free ? |
| 20:02.56 | johnkeates | use a USB stick creator |
| 20:02.57 | teraflops | ^ |
| 20:03.03 | missmbob | yeah we've talked about that |
| 20:03.05 | Olivier | yes I use that for the first time |
| 20:03.10 | Lowl3v3l | johnkeates, oh no, this started the whole mess... |
| 20:03.20 | Olivier | yeah... |
| 20:03.23 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:03.28 | johnkeates | but you need to install it somehow |
| 20:03.36 | missmbob | really there's no need to talk in here. he needs to go to #debianfr. we've been there |
| 20:03.40 | johnkeates | lets start here: what do you have |
| 20:03.47 | johnkeates | a PC, a Laptop and nothing else? |
| 20:03.52 | Olivier | a PC |
| 20:04.01 | Lowl3v3l | aaaand person number ( at least) 5 trying it. |
| 20:04.11 | Lowl3v3l | somehow this reminds me of the legend of excalibur. |
| 20:04.21 | stoned | :) |
| 20:04.25 | johnkeates | Olivier: are you sure? You also have a toshiba satellite A300 |
| 20:04.33 | stoned | The Sword in the Stone |
| 20:04.33 | johnkeates | which is a laptop |
| 20:04.35 | johnkeates | and not a PC |
| 20:04.39 | stoned | Hockety Pockety! |
| 20:04.40 | Olivier | this is the pc of my friend |
| 20:04.41 | pseudonymous | Olivier: I think I get what you are trying to do, but it seems like it is too difficult for you at this stage. Start with Ubuntu, then learn more and come back to Debian, if you want. |
| 20:04.44 | Lowl3v3l | "from near and far sysadmins and hackers came to solve the riddle" |
| 20:04.46 | Olivier | my own pc my pc is a samusng |
| 20:04.49 | Olivier | samsung |
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| 20:04.50 | johnkeates | so |
| 20:04.54 | johnkeates | you have a PC and a Laptop |
| 20:05.19 | Olivier | yes |
| 20:05.26 | johnkeates | then why did you say no :p |
| 20:05.29 | Olivier | the laptop is the laptop of my friend |
| 20:05.30 | missmbob | i'm starting to even doubt it since he apparently has a fear of getting help in #debianfr |
| 20:05.34 | Olivier | and my pc is my pc |
| 20:05.37 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:05.39 | pseudonymous | johnkeates: he has two PC's, a loan from a friend running Ubuntu which he's talking to us through, and a Samsung laptop which is running a minimal Debian install with no internet connectivity. He's insisting on getting Wifi running. |
| 20:05.39 | johnkeates | but that doesn't matter |
| 20:05.45 | johnkeates | it's about what you have access to |
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| 20:05.55 | johnkeates | okay |
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| 20:06.07 | johnkeates | so not a PC and a Laptop |
| 20:06.09 | johnkeates | but two PC's |
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| 20:06.13 | johnkeates | or Two laptops? |
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| 20:06.22 | johnkeates | (lets see if you get the words right) |
| 20:06.29 | pseudonymous | johnkoates: more like two laptops. I don't think Samsung even makes workstations |
| 20:06.35 | johnkeates | i know they don't |
| 20:06.48 | johnkeates | but this whole mess is because he can't read english well enough |
| 20:06.55 | johnkeates | it's not executing a few steps |
| 20:06.58 | johnkeates | it's language issues |
| 20:06.59 | missmbob | but the monitor says samsung... |
| 20:07.00 | Olivier | I can read english |
| 20:07.04 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:07.05 | johnkeates | so |
| 20:07.06 | Olivier | but i'm a beginner |
| 20:07.09 | johnkeates | 2 laptops or 2 pc's |
| 20:07.11 | johnkeates | which one is it |
| 20:07.17 | missmbob | Olivier: no you cant. if you could you'd listen and join #debianfr |
| 20:07.27 | missmbob | Olivier: or know that a folder and directory are the same things |
| 20:07.36 | Olivier | sorry... |
| 20:07.53 | pseudonymous | missmbob: your frustrations are palpable ^^^ |
| 20:07.53 | johnkeates | Olivier, 2 laptops? 2 pc's? 2 rocks? what is it |
| 20:07.53 | Lowl3v3l | Olivier, you really seem to have basic issues with grasping what other people are saying, completely apart from the tech-internals. |
| 20:08.01 | Olivier | 1 laptop |
| 20:08.03 | missmbob | Olivier: i'm not trying to insult you. this has just reached a level of insanity. please use your channel, #debianfr |
| 20:08.03 | Olivier | and 1 pc |
| 20:08.10 | johnkeates | so the PC is a separate box |
| 20:08.13 | johnkeates | with a separate monitor |
| 20:08.16 | Olivier | yes |
| 20:08.18 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:08.20 | johnkeates | and samsung made it? |
| 20:08.43 | Olivier | yes |
| 20:08.45 | missmbob | johnkeates: see? and i pulled that out of my ass half joking. |
| 20:08.50 | johnkeates | what type is it |
| 20:08.56 | Olivier | a notebook |
| 20:09.04 | Olivier | this is the name of the model |
| 20:09.13 | johnkeates | so the PC is not a PC but a laptop |
| 20:09.19 | johnkeates | so you have two laptops |
| 20:09.25 | johnkeates | one is a samsung and the other a toshiba |
| 20:09.29 | Olivier | yes |
| 20:09.31 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:09.39 | johnkeates | so if I ask, do you have a PC and a laptop |
| 20:09.42 | johnkeates | you say: no, i have 2 laptops |
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| 20:09.51 | Olivier | hold on.. verify |
| 20:10.03 | Olivier | oh sorry that a laptop |
| 20:10.13 | Olivier | my fauly |
| 20:10.15 | Olivier | fault |
| 20:10.20 | Olivier | so two laptops sorry |
| 20:10.25 | johnkeates | This is what a laptop looks like: http://psdcovers.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/macbookpro.jpg |
| 20:10.27 | ryouma | "desktop" is a common disambiguator; pc sometimes means non-mac or so |
| 20:10.56 | johnkeates | this is what a desktop PC looks like: https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/computer-case-monitor-keyboard-mouse-isolated-white-background-pc-flat-d-vector-isometric-illustration-66455569.jpg |
| 20:11.15 | Olivier | okay |
| 20:11.18 | johnkeates | so |
| 20:11.18 | Olivier | my error |
| 20:11.27 | johnkeates | you don't have the big one, only the two small ones, right? |
| 20:11.30 | Olivier | it's a laptop |
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| 20:11.32 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:11.34 | johnkeates | so, two laptops |
| 20:12.27 | Olivier | yes |
| 20:12.32 | missmbob | this is all TomTomTo1's fault anyway |
| 20:12.33 | Olivier | I'm sure now |
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| 20:12.41 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:12.47 | pseudonymous | ryouma: if he's having trouble communicating in English I doubt the term disambiguator (even unknown to most native American teens) would make any sense :P |
| 20:12.53 | johnkeates | to continue, you HAVE TO use an ethernet cable |
| 20:13.02 | johnkeates | if you don't have one, or can't get access to one, you CANNOT continue |
| 20:13.03 | Olivier | I don't have it |
| 20:13.05 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:13.07 | Olivier | I have only wi-fi |
| 20:13.08 | johnkeates | then you can't continue |
| 20:13.11 | Olivier | sorry |
| 20:13.15 | johnkeates | no problem |
| 20:13.32 | ryouma | pseudonymous: perhaps i missed soem scrollback. i was talking to johnkeates who i assuymed was a native speaker. |
| 20:13.52 | johnkeates | I am a dual-native speaker |
| 20:13.56 | pseudonymous | johnkeates: ah, then the fault lies with me, in that case, I'm sorry :) |
| 20:14.03 | johnkeates | which is a thing, I also have two passports |
| 20:14.07 | Olivier | okay so now, I can't install debian and I can't use my own laptop |
| 20:14.12 | johnkeates | that is correct |
| 20:14.18 | ryouma | that differs from bilingual? |
| 20:14.21 | johnkeates | yes |
| 20:14.23 | pseudonymous | ryouma: sorry, above msg was addressed at you. Afraid I blew through a large glass of Whiskey :S |
| 20:14.27 | missmbob | Olivier: give your friend a ring. invite him over. have him do it. |
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| 20:14.59 | Olivier | okay, so now I can'T use my own pc |
| 20:15.01 | Olivier | laptop |
| 20:15.02 | TomTomTo1 | missmbob: oy, i did my best, but my spanish isn't that great. |
| 20:15.02 | Olivier | sorry |
| 20:15.03 | johnkeates | that is correct |
| 20:15.05 | johnkeates | you can't use it |
| 20:15.06 | pseudonymous | missmbob: Are you British ? |
| 20:15.29 | Olivier | okay but I would like to have debian because I don't like ubuntu |
| 20:15.30 | johnkeates | there is no Debian installer with a GUI AND non-free drivers |
| 20:15.39 | Olivier | and now I can't use it |
| 20:15.41 | Olivier | so... |
| 20:15.41 | missmbob | pseudonymous: brazilian |
| 20:15.43 | johnkeates | that is correct |
| 20:16.07 | johnkeates | wait |
| 20:16.11 | johnkeates | i might have found a solution |
| 20:16.14 | Olivier | what ? |
| 20:16.15 | johnkeates | we use a live system |
| 20:16.23 | TomTomTo1 | :D |
| 20:16.23 | johnkeates | it's a big download |
| 20:16.26 | Nightwolf | hi, i'm trying to install debian stable on a system with a new intel nic. compiled the .ko, created an iso and mounted it via ikvm. what must i do so the debian installation uses it? |
| 20:16.26 | Olivier | yes so.... |
| 20:16.27 | Lowl3v3l | johnkeates, debootstrap? |
| 20:16.30 | johnkeates | noo |
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| 20:16.34 | missmbob | omg |
| 20:16.36 | missmbob | not live again |
| 20:16.38 | johnkeates | yes |
| 20:16.39 | johnkeates | live again |
| 20:16.41 | missmbob | TomTomTo1: :P |
| 20:16.43 | johnkeates | haters gonna hate |
| 20:16.50 | Olivier | missmbob : sorry for that |
| 20:16.57 | pseudonymous | missmbob: huh, surprising. (Just the "ring" thing which, to me, sounds very British, nvm) |
| 20:17.02 | johnkeates | Olivier, on Ubuntu, you will do the following: |
| 20:17.07 | Lowl3v3l | missmbob, this has already become an obsession. I suppose johnkeates will find a way even if it kills him :D |
| 20:17.08 | Olivier | ok |
| 20:17.15 | johnkeates | Download, using a web browser, this file: |
| 20:17.16 | johnkeates | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso |
| 20:17.21 | teraflops | Olivier: well don't use linux or tell your friend to install debian in your laptop, no offense mate, I'm being realistic |
| 20:17.22 | TomTomTo1 | missmbob: it's groundhog day in irc. |
| 20:17.23 | missmbob | pseudonymous: most of the tv i watch is british, actually. |
| 20:17.51 | johnkeates | (I'm listening to Map of the Problematique while doing this...) |
| 20:17.51 | Olivier | johnkeates : ok I download |
| 20:17.53 | johnkeates | ok |
| 20:17.56 | johnkeates | let me know when it's done |
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| 20:18.21 | Olivier | okay |
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| 20:18.48 | pseudonymous | missmbob: That explains it |
| 20:19.32 | Olivier | johnkeates: This iso I know it's debian but what is your idea ? |
| 20:19.38 | pseudonymous | Or at the very least make it simpler by either getting an ethernet cable or a distribution which includes as many wifi drivers as possible |
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| 20:20.20 | pseudonymous | Besides, Debian is for n00bs anyway, Gentoo is for the tinkerer, LFS for the master :P |
| 20:20.24 | johnkeates | Olivier: this ISO has all the packages for desktop installation, as well as wifi drivers, so in theory, if you can use it in the live mode and access wifi, it can also install desktop and wifi |
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| 20:20.45 | toastymallow | noob here :( |
| 20:20.46 | Olivier | johnkeates, and install debian ? |
| 20:20.48 | johnkeates | yes |
| 20:21.02 | Olivier | johnkeates : :) |
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| 20:21.22 | johnkeates | it's also a hybrid ISO meaning you can dd it onto a flash drive |
| 20:22.02 | mapm | hello, I want to install debian on an Intel Pentium Dual Core, which debian binary should I install? amd? 32 bits or 64? |
| 20:22.02 | Olivier | okay but I really need help for dd |
| 20:22.04 | missmbob | johnkeates: that's how today started hours ago, btw. him using a live iso on usb flash |
| 20:22.13 | johnkeates | yes, but was it the non-free one? |
| 20:22.20 | Lowl3v3l | mapm, do you have a 64 bit processor? |
| 20:22.24 | Olivier | no |
| 20:22.29 | johnkeates | see |
| 20:22.30 | johnkeates | good |
| 20:22.39 | johnkeates | so lets wait until the download has finished |
| 20:22.42 | toastymallow | just installed ubuntu windows my whole life everything was doing great but ran in to some hiccups anyone have some free time and willing to help a noob out? |
| 20:22.52 | johnkeates | no |
| 20:22.57 | missmbob | johnkeates: if he had listened he would've used non-free. TomTomTo1 and jmcnaught gave him links to non-free iso |
| 20:22.58 | Olivier | I don't like windows |
| 20:22.59 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, I don't really know the exact model of the processor, I am trying to find out now |
| 20:23.03 | pseudonymous | toastymallow: ubuntu windows ? |
| 20:23.10 | toastymallow | ubuntu |
| 20:23.23 | johnkeates | missmbob: i've only seen links to the net install, which won't work in his case |
| 20:23.23 | toastymallow | sorry been on windows my whole life lol |
| 20:23.24 | Lowl3v3l | mapm, boot a livecd and cat /proc/cpuinfo . |
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| 20:23.29 | missmbob | !tell toastymallow about ubuntu |
| 20:23.31 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, thanks I will do that |
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| 20:23.44 | teraflops | pseudonymous: roses are red, violets are blue, if you don't mind compile times, install gentoo. |
| 20:23.54 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, but, the livecd binary should correspond also to the type of cpu right? |
| 20:23.55 | johnkeates | or install openbsd and only use ports |
| 20:24.07 | awal1_ | Olivier, thanks, me trying to help you in debianfr and you talking about windows here... looool |
| 20:24.18 | Olivier | no |
| 20:24.20 | awal1_ | ok, I givwe up... |
| 20:24.21 | Olivier | okay ye |
| 20:24.21 | Lowl3v3l | mapm, the choice there is easy : a 32 bit build will boot on both x86 and amd64 cpu's |
| 20:24.23 | Olivier | yes |
| 20:24.45 | pseudonymous | teraflops: true enough, then all Linux installs bring their own horribleness to the table |
| 20:24.46 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, ah, I didn't know that, good |
| 20:24.47 | Lowl3v3l | teraflops, aww the poem is so nice <3 |
| 20:24.49 | toastymallow | I installed Ubuntu I am running the suggested drivers for my GTX 970 yet I still get screen tearing when watching a movie or even when moving windows.... |
| 20:25.11 | Lowl3v3l | toastymallow, debian is NOT ubuntu. you are wrong here if you want *buntu support. |
| 20:25.24 | teraflops | pseudonymous: to he honest I prefer exherbo over gentoo ^ |
| 20:25.26 | Olivier | yes but ubuntu said : ubuntu is debian |
| 20:25.30 | pseudonymous | toastymallow: you should ask in #ubuntu :) |
| 20:25.33 | johnkeates | ubuntu is a lie |
| 20:25.36 | johnkeates | it's a cake |
| 20:25.39 | johnkeates | and we all know what cake is |
| 20:25.51 | Olivier | on the french forum of ubuntu |
| 20:26.01 | Olivier | he said ubuntu is debian |
| 20:26.07 | Lowl3v3l | Olivier, then whoever said it is either a troll or a babbling idiot. |
| 20:26.23 | Olivier | okay |
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| 20:26.33 | pseudonymous | Olivier: Ubuntu is a derivative (read: child) of Debian - there are some differences |
| 20:26.44 | Olivier | the iso is downloaded |
| 20:26.47 | pseudonymous | Olivier: and while I'm at it, I really think you should start with Ubuntu |
| 20:26.53 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, I think we just didn't think about the BIOS info, I'm checking it now (: |
| 20:27.07 | Olivier | johnkeates : iso is downloaded |
| 20:27.09 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:27.20 | johnkeates | the following steps will create the USB drive |
| 20:27.21 | Lowl3v3l | mapm, okay^^ this and maybe the amount of Ram is important to the choice |
| 20:27.25 | Olivier | okay |
| 20:27.44 | johnkeates | get a USB stick with at least 2GB in size, and we will delete it so beware |
| 20:27.47 | johnkeates | do you have that? |
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| 20:28.18 | Olivier | yes |
| 20:28.20 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:28.25 | johnkeates | plug it in to the computer |
| 20:28.32 | johnkeates | the one where you downloaded the iso on |
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| 20:28.39 | Olivier | yes |
| 20:28.49 | johnkeates | open a terminal window (do you know how to do that?) |
| 20:29.02 | Olivier | yes crtl+alt+t |
| 20:29.16 | Olivier | okay |
| 20:29.20 | johnkeates | okay, in the terminal window, type exactly this: dmesg | tail |
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| 20:29.33 | missmbob | it's sdb |
| 20:29.50 | johnkeates | ssssssssh, i want to be surprised |
| 20:29.57 | missmbob | he's already pasted it |
| 20:30.09 | johnkeates | pppf, thanks mr spoiler |
| 20:30.15 | Olivier | question : I format the usb or not ? |
| 20:30.17 | johnkeates | no |
| 20:30.19 | johnkeates | you do what i say |
| 20:30.20 | johnkeates | nothing more |
| 20:30.22 | johnkeates | nothing less |
| 20:30.30 | Olivier | okay because I have a other iso on usb |
| 20:30.35 | johnkeates | not a problem |
| 20:30.39 | Olivier | the first iso of one hour |
| 20:30.41 | Olivier | ok |
| 20:30.42 | johnkeates | yes, that's ok |
| 20:30.44 | johnkeates | just |
| 20:30.48 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:30.52 | johnkeates | lets make this super easy |
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| 20:30.55 | johnkeates | it's sdb |
| 20:31.01 | johnkeates | so do this: |
| 20:31.05 | johnkeates | in your terminal window |
| 20:31.05 | Olivier | okay I enter sdb |
| 20:31.15 | missmbob | he didn't say that |
| 20:31.25 | Olivier | dmesg | tail |
| 20:31.26 | johnkeates | Olivier: delete everything you typed |
| 20:31.30 | Olivier | okay |
| 20:31.33 | johnkeates | it's db |
| 20:31.35 | johnkeates | sdb* |
| 20:31.35 | Olivier | sorry for that |
| 20:31.35 | ws2k3 | how is this possible : http://pastebin.com/a5mSzCB0 |
| 20:31.37 | johnkeates | np |
| 20:31.39 | johnkeates | just go on |
| 20:31.40 | zero_to_rocket | this is so tense, i like this |
| 20:31.45 | johnkeates | likes it too |
| 20:31.46 | Olivier | oka so I enter ... |
| 20:31.54 | johnkeates | enter cd |
| 20:31.57 | johnkeates | just cd |
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| 20:32.04 | johnkeates | and then an empty space |
| 20:32.05 | Olivier | okay |
| 20:32.07 | ws2k3 | my os says i have 50 gb in use. but with a du -h i can only find 7 gb in use |
| 20:32.09 | johnkeates | but don't press enter yet |
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| 20:32.24 | Olivier | yes |
| 20:32.28 | johnkeates | then, as your next step: open a file window |
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| 20:32.41 | Olivier | okay |
| 20:32.43 | johnkeates | and navigate to your home (the picture of a home) |
| 20:32.52 | Olivier | yes i know what is a home |
| 20:32.58 | Olivier | okay |
| 20:33.18 | Olivier | and after ? |
| 20:33.22 | johnkeates | you will see a bunch of icons, one is called Telechage something |
| 20:33.27 | Olivier | yes |
| 20:33.29 | Olivier | I see it |
| 20:33.30 | johnkeates | drag that one on your terminal window |
| 20:33.51 | johnkeates | it will type the path for you |
| 20:34.32 | Olivier | okay but I remove " or not |
| 20:34.38 | Olivier | because I have this ' |
| 20:34.44 | johnkeates | no |
| 20:34.46 | johnkeates | just press enter now |
| 20:34.50 | johnkeates | in the terminal window |
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| 20:34.52 | Olivier | okay and now I enter it |
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| 20:34.54 | johnkeates | yes |
| 20:34.54 | Olivier | ? |
| 20:34.56 | johnkeates | type enter |
| 20:35.06 | Olivier | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.16 | missmbob | you didn't add the space after cd |
| 20:35.19 | johnkeates | hehehe |
| 20:35.21 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:35.22 | missmbob | i told you to listen carefully |
| 20:35.25 | missmbob | so many times |
| 20:35.28 | johnkeates | listen super accurately: |
| 20:35.32 | johnkeates | press arrow up |
| 20:35.32 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, well, it has exactly 3840MB RAM, so it should be 32bits right? |
| 20:35.34 | johnkeates | on the keyboard |
| 20:35.39 | johnkeates | the line will appear again |
| 20:35.43 | Olivier | I listen but I'm stupid so... |
| 20:35.51 | Lowl3v3l | mapm, not necessarily. |
| 20:36.05 | Olivier | yes it's blue |
| 20:36.06 | johnkeates | wait |
| 20:36.08 | Olivier | telechargements in blue |
| 20:36.10 | johnkeates | press control+c |
| 20:36.13 | johnkeates | just do it |
| 20:36.15 | johnkeates | press control+c |
| 20:36.21 | Lowl3v3l | mapm, you could use an x32 build too ( which is 64 bits but with 32 bit pointers essentially) |
| 20:36.23 | Olivier | in the terminal ? |
| 20:36.25 | johnkeates | yes |
| 20:36.27 | johnkeates | in the terminal |
| 20:36.33 | Olivier | blue |
| 20:36.36 | johnkeates | okay |
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| 20:36.42 | johnkeates | press enter |
| 20:36.43 | Olivier | multiwriter |
| 20:36.44 | johnkeates | twice |
| 20:36.48 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, what happens is that I tried installing with the binary "debian-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso", and all went well until I selected "install": the language selection menu appeared but I couldn't do anything |
| 20:36.49 | johnkeates | just enter and then enter |
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| 20:36.53 | johnkeates | it will give errors but that is okay |
| 20:37.01 | Olivier | okay hold on... |
| 20:37.17 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, it just froze |
| 20:37.37 | missmbob | i told you not to use multiwriter |
| 20:37.38 | Olivier | I open multiwriter |
| 20:37.41 | johnkeates | once that is done, you must copy and paste this line: sudo dd if=/home/olivier/Téléchargements/debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 20:37.50 | johnkeates | don't open multi writer |
| 20:37.51 | missmbob | Olivier: no one said multiwriter |
| 20:37.55 | Lowl3v3l | mapm, could you please check wether you got a 32 bit or 64 bit processor first? most likely you have no adm64 biot processor but tried to use an iso for a completely different ISA |
| 20:37.57 | missmbob | Olivier: stop. listen. seriously |
| 20:38.04 | Olivier | yes but it'S my usb creator |
| 20:38.07 | johnkeates | no |
| 20:38.09 | missmbob | Olivier: dont use it |
| 20:38.17 | missmbob | Olivier: we've told you a thousand times in three days. dont |
| 20:38.21 | Olivier | okay so what I use now |
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| 20:38.36 | Olivier | sorry |
| 20:38.36 | johnkeates | switched internet links |
| 20:38.38 | Lowl3v3l | oh now it reminds me of sisyphos in tartarus... :D |
| 20:38.38 | johnkeates | anyway |
| 20:38.40 | johnkeates | Olivier |
| 20:38.48 | johnkeates | close terminal |
| 20:38.49 | Olivier | yes |
| 20:38.51 | johnkeates | just close the window |
| 20:38.56 | Olivier | okay |
| 20:38.59 | johnkeates | and open a new terminal window |
| 20:39.04 | Olivier | done |
| 20:39.06 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:39.15 | johnkeates | in the new window, copy this exact line: sudo dd if=/home/olivier/Téléchargements/debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 20:39.49 | Olivier | okay I enter my password and after nothing |
| 20:39.54 | johnkeates | that's ok |
| 20:39.56 | johnkeates | just wait |
| 20:39.58 | johnkeates | don't touch anything |
| 20:40.00 | Olivier | okay |
| 20:40.01 | johnkeates | until it says it's done |
| 20:40.08 | johnkeates | if your USB drive has a light it will blink |
| 20:40.12 | Olivier | yes |
| 20:40.14 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, alright yes, I tried with the BIOS info but I think it doesn't say anything explicitly about the processor. |
| 20:40.15 | zero_to_rocket | Olivier: just do it! *Shia.gif |
| 20:40.19 | Olivier | the logo of my usb is bleu |
| 20:40.20 | Olivier | blue |
| 20:40.21 | johnkeates | ok |
| 20:40.23 | Olivier | I do it |
| 20:40.27 | johnkeates | now we wait |
| 20:40.32 | Olivier | okay |
| 20:40.51 | Lowl3v3l | mapm, though most likely, i looked it up for you, you got a 32 bit processor and will need a 32 bit iso. |
| 20:42.42 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, how did you look it up? by Intel Pentium Dual Core? |
| 20:43.43 | Lowl3v3l | mapm, nope. I just know that there are only a very limited number of pentium cpu's that implement amd64, since you most likely do not sit in front of a server it is unlikely you got one of those. |
| 20:44.07 | TomTomTo1 | if it's an intel pentium dual core it might just as well be amd64. |
| 20:44.10 | missmbob | uh |
| 20:44.27 | missmbob | i'd bet on 64-bit |
| 20:44.30 | Olivier | I hold |
| 20:44.31 | missmbob | 4G ram...yeah |
| 20:44.47 | johnkeates | Olivier: you hold? |
| 20:44.56 | Olivier | yes |
| 20:44.57 | missmbob | johnkeates: you said wait :P |
| 20:45.04 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:45.12 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, ok, yes, because they are really old. Yes this is not a server, just a PC |
| 20:45.12 | johnkeates | is the usb light still on |
| 20:45.19 | missmbob | johnkeates: might want to ask for a paste of the command/output...fyi |
| 20:45.22 | Olivier | yes |
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| 20:45.25 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:45.44 | johnkeates | feel the usb thing, is it getting warmer? |
| 20:45.45 | missmbob | johnkeates: some have two lights...he |
| 20:45.55 | Lowl3v3l | TomTomTo1, an amd64 that doesn't start up the amd64 iso?^^ |
| 20:46.55 | TomTomTo1 | it would at least give a very distinctive error msg if it wasn't. |
| 20:47.06 | johnkeates | it would tell ya go make ur own sandwich |
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| 20:47.24 | johnkeates | i'd call that distinctive |
| 20:48.22 | Sayona | Hello, it's a way to schedule |
| 20:48.22 | Sayona | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:49.22 | Olivier | okay now my usb stop blink |
| 20:49.25 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:49.30 | johnkeates | what does the terminal window say |
| 20:49.54 | Olivier | 2994048+0Â enregistrements lus |
| 20:49.58 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:50.03 | Olivier | 2994048+0 enregistrements écrits |
| 20:50.03 | johnkeates | that's french for 'we are done' |
| 20:50.07 | johnkeates | good |
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| 20:50.12 | johnkeates | take the USB drive out |
| 20:50.13 | Olivier | 1532952576 bytes (1,5 GB, 1,4 GiB) copied, 579,669 s, 2,6 MB/s |
| 20:50.15 | johnkeates | and plug it in your laptop |
| 20:50.30 | Olivier | I'm scared |
| 20:50.33 | johnkeates | and restart and select the USB drive |
| 20:50.48 | johnkeates | do you know how to choose a boot device on your own laptop? |
| 20:50.54 | Olivier | yes |
| 20:50.55 | Olivier | bios |
| 20:50.56 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:50.59 | johnkeates | good |
| 20:51.09 | johnkeates | well, reboot and select the usb stick |
| 20:51.10 | Olivier | okay I am in the boot menu |
| 20:51.22 | johnkeates | choose live amd64 |
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| 20:51.32 | johnkeates | and press enter |
| 20:51.34 | johnkeates | and wait a while |
| 20:51.54 | Olivier | loading,please wait |
| 20:52.10 | Olivier | I have something |
| 20:52.22 | Olivier | no caching mode page found |
| 20:52.36 | johnkeates | just let it go on |
| 20:52.37 | Olivier | assuming drive cache : through |
| 20:52.43 | Olivier | write through |
| 20:52.48 | johnkeates | that's ok |
| 20:52.50 | johnkeates | just let it run |
| 20:52.55 | Olivier | ok so I wait |
| 20:52.57 | Olivier | ? |
| 20:52.58 | johnkeates | yes |
| 20:54.20 | Olivier | okay.... |
| 20:54.43 | johnkeates | is it starting |
| 20:54.47 | Olivier | no |
| 20:54.49 | johnkeates | okay |
| 20:54.52 | johnkeates | just let it sit there |
| 20:54.56 | Olivier | okay |
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| 20:56.06 | Olivier | I have the same thing |
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| 20:57.11 | Olivier | johnkeates : I have the same thing |
| 20:57.24 | johnkeates | what does it look like |
| 20:57.31 | Olivier | consol mod |
| 20:57.41 | johnkeates | what does the last line say |
| 20:57.43 | Olivier | and the things I said |
| 20:57.48 | johnkeates | and is the USB light still blinking |
| 20:57.50 | missmbob | Olivier: what do you have against pasting things like we've asked? why didn't you paste your dd command and output? |
| 20:57.57 | johnkeates | he did |
| 20:58.00 | johnkeates | the DD went fine |
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| 20:58.16 | johnkeates | i just dd'd an image to dev/null and got the same amount of bytes |
| 20:58.22 | johnkeates | his laptop is probably too old |
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| 20:58.37 | johnkeates | Olivier: is your laptop showing any activity at all |
| 20:58.41 | Olivier | I try install or not ? |
| 20:58.57 | johnkeates | yes |
| 20:59.00 | johnkeates | try it |
| 20:59.04 | Olivier | okay I try |
| 20:59.30 | Olivier | install or graphical install ? |
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| 20:59.56 | johnkeates | try graphical install first |
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| 21:00.18 | Olivier | The ... same error |
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| 21:00.28 | Olivier | release file |
| 21:00.34 | Olivier | :( |
| 21:00.43 | johnkeates | what error |
| 21:00.54 | Olivier | release file can't be found |
| 21:01.17 | johnkeates | that, combined with the live USB not working, probably means your BIOS is not very good |
| 21:01.31 | johnkeates | and your USB drive is in emulation mode and doesn't work once booted |
| 21:01.37 | johnkeates | you can try install |
| 21:01.40 | johnkeates | the not-graphical |
| 21:01.44 | johnkeates | but if there is no release file |
| 21:01.46 | johnkeates | it won't work |
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| 21:01.59 | Olivier | I try but I have the same error |
| 21:02.11 | teraflops | johnkeates: or it means his system is UEFI |
| 21:02.19 | Olivier | okay so ? |
| 21:02.26 | johnkeates | it could be UEFI |
| 21:02.30 | johnkeates | but then we can't use a hybrid |
| 21:02.36 | johnkeates | with non free drivers |
| 21:02.39 | Olivier | okay |
| 21:02.47 | Olivier | so? |
| 21:03.03 | johnkeates | so your laptop is bad |
| 21:03.09 | johnkeates | buy a new one :p |
| 21:03.11 | johnkeates | or |
| 21:03.14 | johnkeates | get an ethernet cable |
| 21:03.22 | Olivier | okay so I can install ubuntu ? |
| 21:03.26 | johnkeates | sure |
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| 21:03.34 | johnkeates | go to ubuntu's website |
| 21:03.39 | johnkeates | and follow the instructions |
| 21:03.41 | Olivier | yes but ubuntu is good or not ? |
| 21:03.42 | missmbob | Olivier: ask #ubuntu for help |
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| 21:03.48 | Olivier | yes I know |
| 21:03.48 | johnkeates | it's good |
| 21:03.50 | johnkeates | just do it :) |
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| 21:03.59 | Olivier | but debian is best right ? |
| 21:04.05 | awal1_ | Olivier, how old is your laptop? |
| 21:04.09 | johnkeates | it doesn't matter |
| 21:04.12 | johnkeates | Olivier: do this: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu |
| 21:04.16 | johnkeates | and try again |
| 21:04.22 | Olivier | 2013 |
| 21:04.25 | Olivier | 2012-2013 |
| 21:04.36 | awal1_ | not so old... |
| 21:04.51 | Olivier | yes but debian is best and ubuntu good ? |
| 21:04.59 | awal1_ | i have an Acer 2006 and no problems |
| 21:05.14 | johnkeates | I have a pentium 1 1993 |
| 21:05.16 | johnkeates | and no problems |
| 21:05.23 | johnkeates | a Z80, no problems |
| 21:05.25 | Olivier | wow... |
| 21:05.39 | johnkeates | the problem is between the chair and the keyboard i'm afraid |
| 21:05.44 | awal1_ | Olivier, try ubuntu or linuxmint, if it works come back here again and we try |
| 21:05.45 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, so I made a "sudo dd if=debian-8.5.0-i386-lxde-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=4M", then tried installing it, but it does the same: when I enter "install", it just freezes in the language selection menu. What could be happening? it is the same as with amd64 |
| 21:06.01 | awal1_ | johnkeates, i guess yes |
| 21:06.03 | Olivier | before my error, i have ubuntu |
| 21:06.04 | johnkeates | mapm, usually bad hardware |
| 21:06.14 | johnkeates | Olivier, http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu |
| 21:06.14 | Olivier | and I want to swith do debian |
| 21:06.16 | Olivier | to |
| 21:06.16 | mapm | mmm |
| 21:06.19 | johnkeates | Olivier: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu |
| 21:06.22 | johnkeates | just do it |
| 21:06.28 | Olivier | okay and after ? |
| 21:06.33 | johnkeates | once you're done with that you can come back here |
| 21:06.36 | zykotick9 | wonders why people use dd to create hybrid isos when debian instructions suggest cp... so much easier... |
| 21:06.45 | awal1_ | ^ |
| 21:06.54 | johnkeates | zykotick9: because we want a number at the end so we know how many bits were copied |
| 21:07.02 | Olivier | johnkeates : why, the process don't work |
| 21:07.14 | missmbob | this can't be for real. |
| 21:07.15 | johnkeates | Olivier: because of reasons |
| 21:07.18 | missmbob | not for this long |
| 21:07.23 | missmbob | 3 days people |
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| 21:07.40 | johnkeates | Olivier: unless you go buy an ethernet cable, you will not get debian |
| 21:07.44 | Olivier | this is real |
| 21:07.46 | johnkeates | or buy a new laptop |
| 21:07.59 | johnkeates | you can buy a laptop with debian preinstalled |
| 21:08.07 | johnkeates | you can ship your laptop to me and i'll install debian for you |
| 21:08.10 | Olivier | or a dvd with debian on ? |
| 21:08.11 | johnkeates | i only charge 100 euros |
| 21:08.20 | johnkeates | yes you can buy those too |
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| 21:08.27 | johnkeates | but that won't help if your laptop is special |
| 21:08.30 | Olivier | okay where I can buy it |
| 21:08.31 | Olivier | ? |
| 21:08.37 | johnkeates | on the internet |
| 21:08.44 | Lowl3v3l | mapm, have you checksummed the isos? |
| 21:08.55 | awal1_ | he said his laptop have no support for dvd stuff |
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| 21:09.14 | awal1_ | ^-^ |
| 21:09.19 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, nope, I'll do it now, but I think I used this i386 before with good results |
| 21:09.21 | johnkeates | Olivier: http://hypra.fr/?Developpement&lang=fr |
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| 21:09.31 | johnkeates | Olivier: or this one http://www.getlinux.fr/debian-m-11.html |
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| 21:10.11 | Olivier | okay thank you for your help, really really really thank you and sorry sorry for my stupidity |
| 21:10.23 | johnkeates | Olivier: or https://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed#fr |
| 21:10.27 | teraflops | Olivier: well don't use linux or tell your friend to install debian in your laptop, no offense mate, I'm being realistic â I said it about 2 hours ago |
| 21:10.40 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, yes the checksum is alright |
| 21:10.53 | Olivier | yes but ubuntu is good right ? |
| 21:11.01 | Olivier | because I love linux |
| 21:11.09 | teraflops | Olivier: sure |
| 21:11.10 | missmbob | for you yes |
| 21:11.24 | pseudonymous | Olivier: yes it is - don't let anyone tell you different |
| 21:11.34 | Olivier | missmbob : why it's good for me ? |
| 21:11.42 | missmbob | Olivier: it's made to be easier |
| 21:11.49 | Olivier | yes |
| 21:11.57 | abrotman | Olivier: This channel is for Debian support |
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| 21:12.01 | Olivier | okay thank you for your help :) |
| 21:12.17 | Olivier | and sorry for the time |
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| 21:12.32 | johnkeates | Olivier: you may have a local hackrrspace |
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| 21:12.37 | johnkeates | or a linux group |
| 21:12.39 | johnkeates | or debian group |
| 21:12.42 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, I tried the expert install and it seems it's working now... |
| 21:12.54 | Olivier | yes I see this. |
| 21:13.01 | Olivier | okay |
| 21:13.08 | Olivier | bye :) |
| 21:13.29 | johnkeates | bye |
| 21:13.31 | teraflops | Olivier: just stop calling yourself stupid, not being able to install debian does not mean you're stupid |
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| 21:13.49 | Olivier | okay I remember of this |
| 21:13.51 | Olivier | bye |
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| 21:14.37 | Lowl3v3l | he'll be back. |
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| 21:15.22 | johnkeates | he'll be bach |
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| 21:16.17 | mo1991reg | hehe |
| 21:16.23 | mapm | Lowl3v3l, I do not know why it is working with the Expert Install; anyway, thanks for your help (: |
| 21:16.25 | johnkeates | or maybe chopin |
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| 21:22.03 | Maws | what was the channel name for "debian testing" |
| 21:22.13 | johnkeates | debian-nezt |
| 21:22.15 | johnkeates | next |
| 21:22.16 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 21:22.17 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:22.18 | Maws | thnx |
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| 21:24.24 | Maws | can't join, but anyway anyone had any problems with Chromium ? (after a upgrade today I only get "aw snap" error)......tried to delete, reinstall chromium etc (also removed /config(chromium)) - any tips on what might cause such errors in chromium ? |
| 21:24.56 | missmbob | Maws: because you didn't read everything the bot dpkg told you. it's on oftc, a different irc network, not freenode which is where you are now |
| 21:25.45 | Maws | yea, noticed....:) - but not realy sure it's related to "testing" so thought I'd ask :) |
| 21:25.56 | Maws | (in regards to chromium that is) |
| 21:27.11 | teraflops | Maws: downgrade to previous version, that's what the package cache is meant for (among other things) |
| 21:28.57 | Maws | teraflops, any tips on how to do that ? |
| 21:29.25 | johnkeates | use apt |
| 21:29.47 | missmbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.16 | missmbob | you need to get the deb package and dpkg -i (after removing the current package) |
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| 21:31.10 | johnkeates | it does if you use a specific version requirement |
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| 21:31.39 | missmbob | !downgrade |
| 21:31.39 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 21:31.47 | johnkeates | and yet it works |
| 21:32.10 | johnkeates | (using the install command of course) |
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| 21:32.30 | jmcnaught | it can work for one or two packages at a time, but it definitely will not work to downgrade from one release to another |
| 21:32.37 | johnkeates | that is true |
| 21:32.48 | johnkeates | but for chromium versions within a release it's fine |
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| 21:32.53 | jmcnaught | because postinst scripts for many packages are written without consideration for going backwards |
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| 21:35.25 | Maws | ok, so then I will need to find an earlier version .deb package for chromium I guess |
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| 21:35.37 | johnkeates | yes |
| 21:35.40 | johnkeates | or use your apt cache |
| 21:35.49 | missmbob | !snapshot |
| 21:35.49 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 21:36.17 | teraflops | get? it's already in the package cache just dpkg -i it |
| 21:36.27 | teraflops | unless you like silly apt-get clean |
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| 21:37.37 | johnkeates | i like it |
| 21:37.47 | teraflops | and yes he said "after a upgrade today I only getâ¦" so the previous version is in the package cache |
| 21:37.53 | johnkeates | i take it behind school and get it pregnant |
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| 21:38.56 | Maws | but how do you specify using cache, doing a "dpkg -i chromium" will only give a no such file or directory....(I presume itæs then looking for a deb file) |
| 21:39.13 | johnkeates | dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/someting/someting/.deb |
| 21:39.13 | dpkg | installs /var/cache/apt/someting/someting/.deb into johnkeates's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 21:39.19 | johnkeates | nice |
| 21:39.32 | missmbob | you deserved it |
| 21:39.38 | johnkeates | <3 |
| 21:39.40 | teraflops | Maws: /var/cache/apt/archives :S |
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| 21:40.11 | skino | Evening ALL |
| 21:40.19 | johnkeates | i wonder if this works: |
| 21:40.39 | johnkeates | dpkg -i The answer to everything, unlimited knowledge and plenty of cash |
| 21:40.40 | dpkg | removes a speen from johnkeates and replaces it with The answer to everything, unlimited knowledge and plenty of cash |
| 21:40.46 | johnkeates | nice |
| 21:41.02 | johnkeates | so it rotates fortune-type replacements? |
| 21:41.09 | skino | is there a way to Replicate a Debian Install? as in a live replication |
| 21:41.18 | johnkeates | what do you mean by replication |
| 21:41.22 | missmbob | johnkeates: yes. it's open source if you want it |
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| 21:41.45 | johnkeates | replication as in redundancy: use a virtual machine with redundancy. |
| 21:41.54 | Maws | tried both bersions that where in cache - still broken......so guess it's something else causing it....:) |
| 21:41.55 | johnkeates | replication as in backups: use dd, or tar or lvm snapshots |
| 21:42.05 | johnkeates | replication as in mass installation: use preseeding |
| 21:42.11 | johnkeates | so many ways to replicate.. |
| 21:42.15 | skino | Basically i want to be able to run a Debian install with Clonezilla on it for the company i work for. but as a requirement i need a @failsafe@ |
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| 21:42.46 | skino | best way i can think of is similar to windows server and set up a replication |
| 21:43.16 | teraflops | Maws: launch chromium from a terminal emulator and search for errors in the output |
| 21:43.47 | johnkeates | skino: that makes no sense |
| 21:43.51 | johnkeates | skino: what are you trying to do |
| 21:43.52 | missmbob | Maws: mv ~/.config/chromium ~/.config/chromiumbak and then try chormium again |
| 21:44.31 | jmcnaught | Maws: did you look at https://bugs.debian.org/chromium to see if there are reported bugs? |
| 21:45.10 | skino | sorry |
| 21:45.37 | jmcnaught | Maws: maybe also look at https://release.debian.org/transitions/index.html there could be an ongoing transition causing this issue |
| 21:45.54 | zykotick9 | is reminded why he doesn't run testing, and why it's best supported on oftc's #debian-next... |
| 21:46.10 | jmcnaught | Maws: oh, i see you made it to #debian-next so i'll let you continue there instead :) |
| 21:46.20 | skino | right i want a system with Clonezilla on it. the firm i work for images around 10/20 machines a day from images take from a master... at the moment if that was to go bang i would have to completely rebuild the system with isn't going to be time effective |
| 21:46.52 | johnkeates | skino: sounds like what you need is either simply an image of your image server |
| 21:46.52 | johnkeates | or |
| 21:47.01 | johnkeates | you need to put proper configuration management in to place |
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| 21:47.21 | jmcnaught | +1 configuration management |
| 21:47.22 | johnkeates | use preseeding and something like saltstack or puppet or chef and put it all in a versioned repository |
| 21:47.51 | johnkeates | deploy multi-server solutions, add redundancy (are you even using raid?) |
| 21:47.54 | Maws | missmbob, yea, I tried to remove that directory to no avail.......but I'l have a look at those sugested pages....:) |
| 21:47.57 | johnkeates | make sure you have backups |
| 21:48.00 | johnkeates | maybe offsite backups as well |
| 21:48.03 | skino | An image sounds good.... as long as i have a second system with the same hardware i can keep them both up to date. that sounds easier |
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| 21:48.12 | teraflops | skino: what you want is an image of a system for being flashed with clonezilla if I get what you say |
| 21:48.14 | johnkeates | it sounds easier because it is easier |
| 21:48.15 | skino | we have off site back ups of the images |
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| 21:48.24 | johnkeates | but easier isn't always better |
| 21:48.34 | johnkeates | not sure what scale or budget you're operating on |
| 21:48.45 | johnkeates | but it sounds like you have no well defined processes in place |
| 21:48.56 | johnkeates | it basically means growth is out of the question |
| 21:49.12 | skino | Company i work for want this done for basically free... with clonezilla will do. i have 2 systems of same hardware i can use. |
| 21:49.53 | johnkeates | well, as long as they know there's no guarantee it'll work and no big client will trust them |
| 21:49.54 | johnkeates | ;-) |
| 21:50.19 | skino | were in house clients (over 500 locations) but no external. |
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| 21:50.40 | johnkeates | 500 locations and no configuration management... hmmm |
| 21:50.46 | skino | until we get a budget i think this will be the best option.... or start looking at fog lol |
| 21:50.55 | skino | all the imaging is done at HQ and not in the field |
| 21:51.13 | missmbob | he said 10/20 computers earlier... |
| 21:51.18 | johnkeates | don't use fog |
| 21:51.19 | teraflops | skino: if you're about to install a bunch of machines preseed sounds like a better idea |
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| 21:51.38 | johnkeates | pxe + preseeding is the way to go |
| 21:51.39 | teraflops | pxe |
| 21:51.42 | johnkeates | and put it in a git repo or something |
| 21:51.42 | teraflops | yeah |
| 21:51.47 | skino | ye I'm imaging that a day. |
| 21:51.49 | johnkeates | use saltstack for server configs |
| 21:51.54 | johnkeates | or puppet |
| 21:51.56 | johnkeates | or chef |
| 21:52.01 | johnkeates | or whatever floats your boat |
| 21:52.03 | johnkeates | put that in a repo as well |
| 21:52.08 | johnkeates | put the repo somewhere safe |
| 21:52.16 | johnkeates | like, rent a github/bitbucket/gitlab |
| 21:52.22 | johnkeates | or host your own and make sure that one is backed up |
| 21:52.41 | skino | Cheers john. lots to think on |
| 21:52.43 | johnkeates | anyway, usually if it's not there, it's never gonna be there until bankruptcy or replacement of the IT team :p |
| 21:52.51 | johnkeates | well, i do hope you get there |
| 21:53.03 | johnkeates | it's a lot better than just imaging like it's 1990 |
| 21:53.14 | johnkeates | it all depends on people, processes, time and money |
| 21:53.19 | johnkeates | if one of those doesn't add up |
| 21:53.20 | johnkeates | well |
| 21:53.23 | johnkeates | it's not gonna happen :p |
| 21:53.51 | johnkeates | but do take note and see if you can get any of it implemented |
| 21:54.24 | johnkeates | also, if you want a quick start, a simple preseed file on a http server, a ipxe disk and http://netboot.xyz could be a start |
| 21:54.47 | skino | cheers il have a reed now. ur a star |
| 21:55.52 | skino | read* |
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| 22:06.28 | MACscr | so mellanox drivers are awful. Think if i get the mlnx-en service to start before networking, it might solve this problem? http://paste.debian.net/787337/. Not sure how to do that. Right now i have to restart the networking service with http://rc.local/Â and then restart few other services after that. I hate the hack. |
| 22:06.36 | MACscr | any ideas are appreciated. im lost with systemd |
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| 22:09.03 | jelly | I don't have an answer, just wondering which irc client translated that "rc.local" into an URL for you, MACscr? |
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| 22:09.20 | johnkeates | i wonder, why is there no Rick Roll malware yet? |
| 22:09.21 | MACscr | jelly: lol, stupid pidgin |
| 22:09.32 | MACscr | er, adium |
| 22:09.54 | johnkeates | don't use adium, use x-chat aqua! |
| 22:10.00 | johnkeates | you'll be one of the cool kids |
| 22:10.12 | MACscr | but its awful as far as a ui |
| 22:10.22 | johnkeates | na |
| 22:10.25 | johnkeates | it's nice and minimal |
| 22:10.34 | missmbob | no one should. their website doesn't even have a valid certificate |
| 22:10.42 | johnkeates | pf |
| 22:10.48 | johnkeates | who needs websites on App Store |
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| 22:11.17 | jelly | (the apps and the store itself _are_ nicely signed) |
| 22:11.36 | missmbob | letsencrypt.org is free. not that hard. |
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| 22:12.23 | johnkeates | it's really hard for internal services |
| 22:12.27 | johnkeates | and for ip adresses |
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| 22:25.50 | duelle | Hi, I am trying to install debian using luks/lvm but every time I want to write the partitioning configuration it says: "The attempt to mound a file system with type ext4 in Encrypted volume (md0_crypt) at /path failed." The only thing I can find in dmesg is:" md0: unknown partition table." |
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| 22:30.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | duelle, RAID arrays have no concept of partitions, so you have to stick LVM or something else on top. |
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| 22:32.14 | duelle | Eduard_Munteanu: Currently I have SoftwareRaid1 and Encryption on top. So there should be LVM on top of it? |
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| 22:33.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | duelle, if you need to partition. RAID + LUKS + LVM is a common setup though. |
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| 22:33.53 | duelle | Yeah ok, thanks Eduard_Munteanu. I thought that I do not necessarily need LVM in case I do not want multiple partitions out of that. |
| 22:34.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | duelle, hm, well, you should be able to use the LUKS device in its entirety, though. |
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| 22:35.28 | duelle | Eduard_Munteanu: Either way, after adding one LVM vg and volume it seems to go through. |
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| 22:36.04 | duelle | Thank you for the hint. The error message in the partitioner was not very exact or hinting on anything :/ |
| 22:37.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | duelle, it looked like it was trying to partition the LUKS device, but then the kernel didn't like reading the partition table. |
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| 22:37.58 | otyugh_ | hey ! I'm on a apple mac last version ! |
| 22:38.07 | otyugh_ | Can I destroy myself ? o/ |
| 22:38.28 | otyugh_ | (rrmh, sorry ><) |
| 22:38.56 | duelle | Eduard_Munteanu: Even though I explicitly set up the file system on 'md0_crypt'.. strange thing - but now it works with LVM in between ;) |
| 22:39.37 | duelle | Is there a way to remove a set up encrypted volume? I could not find an option to do so. |
| 22:39.44 | duelle | I mean in the partitioner |
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| 22:40.31 | awal1_ | otyugh_, we dont care at all about apple mac stuff; well served here with debian gnu/linux :P |
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| 23:13.09 | mo1991reg | sdf |
| 23:13.22 | monsune | hello! i run a few virtual hosts with apache, when i type the IP in i get access to one of them while i would like some default page instead, can you tell me how to do this? |
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| 23:16.22 | dnn | monsune have you tried adding virtual host without ServerName? |
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| 23:20.01 | monsune | dnn hm never tried that yet |
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| 23:20.40 | monsune | dnn so you mean like empty virtual host container? |
| 23:21.02 | monsune | err not empty, just without ServerName line? |
| 23:21.18 | dnn | yep, as first block <VirtualHost :80> DocRoot /path/ </VirtualHost> |
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| 23:21.30 | dnn | before the other virtual hosts |
| 23:22.45 | monsune | i'm trying to test this now |
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| 23:26.06 | monsune | dnn i owe you big time! thanks so much :) |
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