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| 00:23.06 | hassoon | CHVNX: :D |
| 00:23.24 | hassoon | CHVNX: good day |
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| 00:32.07 | CHVNX | Howdy, hassoon. |
| 00:32.18 | CHVNX | How have you been? |
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| 00:36.15 | hassoon | CHVNX: trying to stay motivated enough to finish the debian-handbook book |
| 00:36.21 | hassoon | reading the french version |
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| 00:37.37 | hassoon | guys i was wondering what's the difference between apt and apt-get |
| 00:38.14 | hassoon | i mean i can do apt/apt-get update/upgrade/install <whatever> |
| 00:38.39 | hassoon | there is just a slight difference in the command's output |
| 00:38.54 | hassoon | apt's output is colored, unlike apt-get's |
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| 00:41.44 | awal1 | 1. apt combines somehow apt-get and apt-cache |
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| 00:47.14 | jak2000 | hi all |
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| 01:01.34 | shellclear | hi everyone! I would like to know your opnion about software and hardware RAID, witch one have better performance? |
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| 01:02.49 | dvs | shellclear, define "hardware RAID". As in the RAID you find in the BIOS/UEFI? |
| 01:03.14 | shellclear | dvs: yes |
| 01:04.12 | shellclear | red hat docs says : " Software RAID also works with cheaper IDE disks as well as SCSI disks. With today's faster CPUs, software RAID outperforms hardware RAID." |
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| 01:08.51 | missmbob | not just redhat. everyone says so. MIT, etc |
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| 01:10.50 | JordiGH | My touchpad is dying after suspends. USB mouse still works. How do I "reboot" the touchpad? |
| 01:10.57 | JordiGH | Restarting X doesn't help. |
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| 01:12.00 | missmbob | JordiGH: mine sometimes does the same. don't know why? going to ctlr+f2 and then back to X makes it reappear every time |
| 01:12.19 | JordiGH | What's ctrl+f2? |
| 01:12.46 | missmbob | a typo. i meant ctrl+alt+f2 :P gets you to tty |
| 01:13.07 | zykotick9 | JordiGH: i'm just curious, what touchpad is it? "egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices" |
| 01:14.50 | JordiGH | missmbob: No, that doesn't help. Neither does restarting X. |
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| 01:16.39 | JordiGH | zykotick9: There are no touchpads listed there. |
| 01:16.49 | JordiGH | The grep comes back empty. |
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| 01:16.57 | JordiGH | Also, I see a bunch of crashed modules in dmesg. |
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| 01:19.29 | dvs | shellclear, the RAID in the BIOS/UEFI is also considered a software RAID. Only the dedicated PCI cards are considered hardware RAID. If your choices are between the kernel and the BIOS RAIDs, I'd choose the kernel RAID. |
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| 01:21.56 | shellclear | dvs: and a comparative beetwen software and dedicated RAID, what's better? |
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| 01:24.38 | dvs | shellclear, dedicated wins, hands down. |
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| 01:25.30 | shellclear | dvs: Thank you very much for you patience |
| 01:25.32 | shellclear | :D |
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| 01:27.30 | missmbob | it's not a simple 1/2 though. with hardware you have to realize you have two more layers of possible error, hardware and driver. |
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| 01:29.02 | JohnA | shellclear: if by dedicated raid you mean a hardware interface card (adaptec, LSi ...) then they are better, but they are also very expensive ($800-$1000+) for a good one. I woud suggest that for most of us kernel raid is pretty good. |
| 01:29.46 | jak2000 | my eth0 not turned on at bootup, always, always, i typed: sudo ifdown eth0 and then sudo ifup eth0 and then can we working fine, how to fix it? |
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| 01:31.21 | SerajewelKS | is there some way in LXDE to draw windows created by processes running under a specific effective group ID to use different decorations? |
| 01:31.51 | SerajewelKS | or some other visual indication that the windows are running under that effective gid |
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| 01:33.17 | hassoon | SerajewelKS: get some task manager software imo |
| 01:33.26 | hassoon | tmany are around in the repositories |
| 01:33.41 | SerajewelKS | hassoon: that's pretty vague. what do you mean by "task manager software?" |
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| 01:34.34 | hassoon | SerajewelKS: a software that groups running processes, and associates every GUI-equiped process with its ID/details, etc |
| 01:34.37 | hassoon | SerajewelKS: got the idea ? |
| 01:34.49 | MACscr | if i boot with pxe/nfs root, can i then bond/bridge that interface? I know i cant with iscsi. would hate to try to switch to that and not be able to do it |
| 01:35.23 | SerajewelKS | hassoon: maybe, do you have an example of such a utility? i think "task manager" is too broad and would include things that list out running processes (which isn't what i want). |
| 01:35.24 | hassoon | SerajewelKS: you want to get the process ID of a given running program from its window (GUI), right ? |
| 01:35.29 | SerajewelKS | hassoon: no |
| 01:35.36 | hassoon | SerajewelKS: meh then what |
| 01:35.50 | SerajewelKS | hassoon: i want to annotate windows that are created by processes having a specific effective gid with some visual indicator |
| 01:36.21 | SerajewelKS | brb gotta put the kid to bed |
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| 01:40.16 | JohnA | Amavis is failing to start - compile problem mississing libfreemq-perl! if I search aptitude for it it does not show up - anybody know or suggest where I can get hold of it? |
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| 01:46.13 | missmbob | JohnA: again, not in debian |
| 01:46.44 | SerajewelKS | hassoon: the purpose BTW is that i have some groups set up that have some restrictions, and i want to identify which windows have which security restrictions |
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| 01:47.53 | hassoon | SerajewelKS: a windows is a mere process running a graphical interface, that means you should address the processes' permissions or something |
| 01:47.57 | hassoon | SerajewelKS: agreed ? |
| 01:48.06 | hassoon | a window * |
| 01:49.08 | SerajewelKS | hassoon: correct, the permissions are addressed by the group. i'm not seeking any kind of way to restrict permissions here, i'm seeking a way to *identify* windows belonging to restricted processes. |
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| 01:49.40 | SerajewelKS | hassoon: such as changing the color of their decorations |
| 01:53.38 | hassoon | SerajewelKS: haven't heard of a tool that does such things hoonestly |
| 01:53.55 | hassoon | why would a developer code a tool like this anyway |
| 01:53.56 | hassoon | :v |
| 01:55.10 | nevyn | trusted X11 |
| 01:55.13 | nevyn | ugh. |
| 01:56.12 | SerajewelKS | hassoon: i didn't expect it would exist, but if you don't ask then you don't find out. and this kind of concept is surprisingly hard to google. |
| 01:57.22 | hassoon | SerajewelKS: indeed sir, good luck though |
| 01:57.30 | SerajewelKS | hassoon: ty |
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| 02:01.49 | JohnA | missmbob: OK, not in debian as my mail system is down and I don't seem to be able to get amavis working without that lib, where might I find it? |
| 02:02.45 | ProfessorKaos64 | What is the "new" mupen64plus package, since the one of the same name is a dummy package. https://packages.debian.org/sid/mupen64plus-ui-console? |
| 02:03.03 | missmbob | JohnA: you said you were on testing and TomTomTosch and i both told you it's not in testing (which you said you were using). so what else is there for me to say? |
| 02:03.55 | JohnA | thay true, but up until 6:31am this morning it was in testing so it must be somewhere? |
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| 02:48.37 | user | Is debian as easy to use as mint is? |
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| 02:49.29 | stoned | Not really |
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| 02:49.38 | petemc | user: ease of use is relative to the user |
| 02:49.39 | stoned | user: debian requires a bit of manual work. |
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| 02:49.59 | stoned | But it's more fun. |
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| 02:50.06 | stoned | Debian doesn't treat you like an idiot. |
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| 02:52.36 | user | I've used mint for the past 3 or 4 years, always able to find documentation when I need it... I dont mind the work, I just like having an OS thats well documented |
| 02:53.29 | CHVNX | RUSEV MATCHKA |
| 02:56.08 | ryouma | user: man pages and info manuals are likely the same across all distros for most packages, so i'm curious what you mean that would be different in debian |
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| 02:57.51 | petemc | gnome or other interfaces arent expressed well via man or info pages |
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| 02:58.07 | petemc | +graphical |
| 02:58.34 | user | I'm using the OS more for development work |
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| 02:59.08 | roger21 | yo |
| 02:59.33 | roger21 | is xargs just pronounce ex-args |
| 02:59.40 | petemc | yes |
| 02:59.42 | user | I just want to be able to get work done, when I need to. |
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| 02:59.51 | petemc | but you can pronounce it zargs if you want |
| 02:59.54 | roger21 | or does it has to do with cross- thingy |
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| 03:00.06 | ryouma | parallel is an alternative to xargs that most people are not aware of |
| 03:00.20 | roger21 | oh zargs is apealing |
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| 03:01.48 | vahe | how to make so that at start not included Xorg? and worked as a server |
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| 03:02.24 | petemc | most effective method is to not install gui |
| 03:02.28 | petemc | !nox |
| 03:02.28 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 03:02.36 | petemc | thats old |
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| 03:05.06 | vahe | petemc: I know, I can tell you how not to get involved |
| 03:05.20 | vahe | tell me |
| 03:05.38 | petemc | i dont know, sorry |
| 03:05.46 | vahe | thanks |
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| 03:07.20 | TomTomTosch | "don't install a gui" is the right answer. simply use the netinst and don't select a desktop environment during installation. |
| 03:08.17 | nevyn | so the problem is the metapackages. |
| 03:08.34 | nevyn | so if you want gnome/kde but don't want gdm/kdm |
| 03:08.37 | vahe | TomTomTosch: I know the situation is simply that the OS is already installed and there is a huge problem reinstalling ,I would just know how not to give be included xorg |
| 03:09.26 | vahe | it's not Windows that would be because of small problems to reinstall the OS ))) |
| 03:10.19 | TomTomTosch | that would be easier if i understood your question. you want to remove the DE? which one do you have installed? |
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| 03:12.04 | vahe | TomTomTosch: thansk, I need it to stop the desktop and that would work as a server |
| 03:12.19 | vahe | I need it |
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| 03:13.18 | nevyn | uninstall the loginmanager |
| 03:14.00 | petemc | #invoke-rc.d gdm3 stop |
| 03:14.14 | petemc | or systemctl |
| 03:14.25 | vahe | ah yes systemctl ) |
| 03:14.29 | vahe | EFI |
| 03:14.34 | petemc | https://wiki.debian.org/GDM |
| 03:15.22 | vahe | thanks for the help , will try today, still need to make sure that it does not turn on at startup |
| 03:16.25 | petemc | apparently systemctl set-default multi-user.target does that |
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| 03:17.16 | petemc | kinda makes sense, i suppose |
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| 03:31.34 | holycow | hi all |
| 03:32.02 | holycow | i have a few tar files in the order of 100's of gb each. each one contains maybe a few 50 to 100gb files |
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| 03:32.53 | holycow | i just did a tar -cf to create a plain .tar file. however, to my great surprise, extracting from a .tar with large files is veeeeeeeeeeeeery slow |
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| 03:33.17 | holycow | anyone else experience something similar? i'm not googling up anything remotely useful |
| 03:33.20 | petemc | do you have fast disk? |
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| 03:33.45 | ryouma | holycow: i don't at present recall whether tar has an index. it might not. |
| 03:34.08 | holycow | just a regular 7200rpm drive. it shouldn't be this slow, it's not actually decompressing anything (cpu bound). and i can get decent write performance on the 7200 satas, nothing unusual |
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| 03:34.52 | holycow | yeah i don't think it does, i know you need to process it from beginning to end so on a large tar it could be slow. but it should not take 2 hours to decompress a 114gb .tar with 3 40gb files in it |
| 03:35.12 | holycow | its not compressed, it should just read in / read out into separate files. |
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| 03:35.44 | petemc | compression wouldnt be a bottleneck on a computer made this decade |
| 03:35.57 | holycow | that is true too |
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| 03:36.46 | petemc | bin the spinning rust, buy ssd |
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| 03:57.22 | jak2000 | my eth0 not turned on at bootup, always, always, i typed: sudo ifdown eth0 and then sudo ifup eth0 and then can we working fine, how to fix it? |
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| 03:59.15 | jmcnaught | jak2000: can you show your /etc/network/interfaces file in a paste? |
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| 04:00.45 | jmcnaught | another place to look is "journalctl -u networking" to see what happened when the networking initscript ran at boot |
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| 04:06.02 | OldParr | an error while doing "aptitude full-upgrade" http://paste.debian.net/787542/ |
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| 04:09.16 | jmcnaught | OldParr: did you try again? is this an upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 04:10.04 | OldParr | jmcnaught: i think my debian is a little old i have several years with it |
| 04:10.37 | wawan | b |
| 04:11.08 | jmcnaught | OldParr: so you're just doing regular updates then? it looks like a single package failed to download, i would try "aptitude safe-upgrade" and see if it completes |
| 04:12.39 | OldParr | i was not intentionallly upgrading from a release to another i just tried to upgrade |
| 04:13.02 | OldParr | normally |
| 04:14.41 | OldParr | jmcnaught: aptitude safe upgrade completes without errors |
| 04:17.35 | jmcnaught | OldParr: did it say anything about packages held back? |
| 04:17.52 | OldParr | jmcnaught: no |
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| 05:25.49 | Abbott | a github page requires that I have libcurl-dev installed. sudo apt-get install libcurl-dev says that the package is a virtual package provided by other packages. How do I know which to get? |
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| 05:26.14 | Abbott | they are libcurl4-openssl-dev, libvurl4-nss-dev, and libcurl4-gnutls-dev |
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| 05:35.18 | clintmint | whats the github page |
| 05:35.22 | clintmint | ill take a look |
| 05:35.38 | Abbott | https://github.com/Jackett/Jackett |
| 05:35.43 | Abbott | clintmint: ^ |
| 05:36.55 | clintmint | and you installed libcurl4-openssl-dev, libvurl4-nss-dev, and libcurl4-gnutls-dev? |
| 05:37.16 | Abbott | no, i haven't installed any of them |
| 05:37.33 | Abbott | I only ran sudo apt-get install libcurl-dev and it told me that it is a virtual package provided by those three packages |
| 05:37.50 | clintmint | ok well they all sound like they are needed, maybe not the nss one though |
| 05:39.17 | clintmint | gnutls and openssl enable tranfers over https in curl |
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| 05:45.21 | clintmint | Abbott: did it compile? |
| 05:45.33 | AndChat500 | Hi |
| 05:46.00 | Abbott | clintmint: I apt-get'ted the two you suggested and it seems to all be running okay |
| 05:46.01 | Abbott | thank you |
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| 05:47.29 | AndChat500 | Can someone explain how to make Debian (GNOME desktop if it matters) connect to OpenVPN server automatically at startup, as It is possible to do on Ubuntu? Adding openvpn --config command isn't my solution because the server also requires username and a password to connect |
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| 05:54.41 | Voovode | debian 8.5, i've got 2x 4tb wd red (GPT), trying to raid1 and install grub on /dev/sda, completes but after reboot -> grub rescue, mduuid/(long string) not found... Any thoughts? |
| 05:55.01 | Voovode | I did a small partition for bios_grub |
| 05:55.06 | Voovode | on both disks.. |
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| 05:58.31 | jmcnaught | AndChat500: i would try using auth-user-pass in an openvpn conf file in /etc/openvpn, then doing "systemctl enable openvpn@myvpnname" |
| 05:58.39 | Elirips | Hello. Is there an easy way on debian jessie to allow a user to do sftp, but disable shell login? |
| 05:58.57 | clintmint | Abbott: you're welcome |
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| 06:04.09 | tjt263 | I have two questions: |
| 06:04.10 | tjt263 | 1. What's the difference between doing something like /etc/init.d/network-manager start and service network-manager start?? |
| 06:04.12 | tjt263 | 2. What's the difference between reload and force-reload?? |
| 06:05.15 | vlt | Elirips: Have you tried to set /bin/false as their shell in /etc/passwd? Does sftp still work then? |
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| 06:08.56 | jmcnaught | tjt263: on sysvinit service does things like remove environment variables and set the working directory to /. On systemd service is just a wrapper around systemctl, and using service/systemctl to start a service makes sure that systemd is aware that its processes are considered a service. |
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| 06:11.07 | Elirips | vlt: setting it to false disables ftp, but setting it to /usr/lib/sftp-server seems to do the job basically |
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| 06:11.41 | jmcnaught | tjt263: i don't know if executing an initscript directly on a systemd systemd would let systemd track it as a service or not.. i suppose you could try it out |
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| 06:16.25 | abhinav | hi |
| 06:16.33 | abhinav | what is a key signing party? |
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| 06:19.17 | jmcnaught | abhinav: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party |
| 06:20.05 | Voovode | debian 8.5, i've got 2x 4tb wd red (GPT), trying to raid1 and install grub on /dev/sda, completes but after reboot -> grub rescue, mduuid/(long string) not found... Any thoughts? |
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| 06:23.04 | abhinav | jmcnaught: thanks. |
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| 06:32.10 | reev | jmcnaught today anacron is working fine |
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| 06:52.03 | doebi | is it save to do a downgrade from stretch to jessie? |
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| 06:52.24 | tucco | hi |
| 06:53.07 | babilen | doebi: No, downgrades are not supported by apt and it is unlikely that doing so would work without problems at this time |
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| 06:55.27 | doebi | babilen: meh. stretch almost broke everything for me :/ |
| 06:56.24 | babilen | It shouldn't .. are you using a testing/unstable mix with testing as the default release? |
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| 06:56.31 | babilen | sid works nicely here |
| 06:57.19 | doebi | babilen: nothing unstable here, just stretch |
| 06:57.30 | babilen | Ah, yeah, that might cause problems |
| 06:57.50 | doebi | how? |
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| 06:58.18 | doebi | testing > stretch ? |
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| 06:59.09 | babilen | Packages are removed from testing or dependencies might not be able to be satisfied during transitions. Testing isn't really meant to be used by end users and my opinion is that tracking it is incredibly hard if you don't also allow for packages to be pulled in from unstable. |
| 06:59.15 | babilen | testing == stretch |
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| 07:00.01 | doebi | so you recommend i should go for unstable? |
| 07:00.12 | babilen | No, i would recommend a setup such as: |
| 07:00.15 | babilen | dpkg: ssm |
| 07:00.15 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "stretch";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security stretch lines and change one set to sid, then apt-get update. apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than stretch as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. See <jum caveat> and use this setup to track <stretch> after its release. |
| 07:00.18 | babilen | or |
| 07:00.21 | babilen | dpkg: tum |
| 07:00.21 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
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| 07:00.52 | doebi | babilen: i know, that. just was confused by your statement |
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| 07:01.51 | doebi | ok, that multisetup sounds confusing |
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| 07:02.20 | doebi | sry i am on train. internet is a mess |
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| 07:03.49 | babilen | doebi: You might want to read https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html and https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
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| 07:04.12 | doebi | i dont have a /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 07:05.30 | babilen | Did you run "echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf" ? |
| 07:05.38 | babilen | (or stretch if you prefer that) |
| 07:06.11 | babilen | And are you sure that you want to track a development release? |
| 07:06.31 | babilen | I would strongly recommend to read those two articles |
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| 07:06.53 | doebi | i am gona look at it when i am home, can't do anything serious with this internet situation right now. |
| 07:06.54 | doebi | thanks for now |
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| 08:04.17 | izua | hi |
| 08:04.26 | izua | i have an issue with mdadm |
| 08:04.47 | izua | after i rebuilt a raid6 array after a drive failure, it starts every morning with mdadm --check --scan |
| 08:04.57 | izua | and keeps cpu at 100%, nver finishing |
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| 08:08.59 | DevAntoine | hi |
| 08:09.00 | DevAntoine | I'm trying to use sed to replace a file path in a HTML file with another one. Thing is, I don't know the name of the new file. I now where it is located but its name is not fixed. Is it possible with SED to replace a string with another one based on a file in a given directory? |
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| 08:33.56 | doebi | DevAntoine: echo "$(cat /foo/bar/file)" ? |
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| 08:36.05 | dionysus69 | I had all four of these lines active in sources.list, do I need all of them? |
| 08:36.06 | dionysus69 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free |
| 08:36.06 | dionysus69 | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free |
| 08:36.06 | dionysus69 | # deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main |
| 08:36.06 | dionysus69 | # deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main |
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| 08:36.55 | dionysus69 | what's the difference between stretch and stretch/updates? |
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| 08:40.31 | tinyhippo | one has updates, the other doesn't |
| 08:40.45 | themill | dionysus69: Is that not a teeny bit self-explanatory ;) |
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| 08:41.10 | dionysus69 | whats the point of not having updates, what does it even mean? |
| 08:41.38 | dionysus69 | so if I delete non updates stretch lines it wouldn't make difference? |
| 08:41.40 | themill | Do you know what the word "updates" means? |
| 08:42.01 | dionysus69 | well ye, probably implies that it will update packages |
| 08:42.15 | themill | and "security.debian.org" |
| 08:42.15 | dionysus69 | but thats what apt is for right, so what is the line without updates for? |
| 08:42.46 | dionysus69 | oh didnt notice that part haha, so its security updates? |
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| 08:43.38 | themill | bingo |
| 08:44.37 | dionysus69 | ok haha thanks |
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| 09:46.12 | Scope | hi im trying to download a file from a site using a magnet link but for some reason ktorrent wont work. Ive enabled DHT i set the network protocol in firefox about:config and still nothing any ideas |
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| 09:50.00 | Scope | i have another torrent downloading that didnt use a magnet link and thats fine seems its just magnet links that are refusing to download |
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| 09:52.40 | FinalX | Scope: magnet links are relatively recent, speaking in torrent client terms. newer versions of the same clients that are usually not packed with the distribution yet, often do support them |
| 09:53.13 | Scope | not really ive been using magnets for the last 4 5 years |
| 09:54.01 | Scope | transmission on my mac i have no problem just on the debian system using ktorrent seams like it refuses to allow magnets it shows that the magnet is there. |
| 09:54.11 | Scope | but it just does nothing |
| 09:56.17 | dionysus69 | I came accross this thing http://httpredir.debian.org/, is anyone using this, is it safe or not worth the headache? |
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| 09:59.21 | TomTomTosch | !httpredir |
| 09:59.21 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main". See http://httpredir.debian.org/ for more information. The redirector uses HTTP 302 redirects not DNS to serve content so is safe to use with Google DNS. See also <which httpredir.debian.org>. This service is identical to http.debian.net. |
| 10:00.26 | TomTomTosch | it works for most. i use it, it has been fine for me so far. |
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| 10:01.34 | rozie | dionysus69: using it for a long time, almost since very beginning when it was http.debian.net. also on production now. it is safe and stable |
| 10:02.08 | rozie | it's even better than single repo, as will automagically handle broken/not updated repos |
| 10:02.32 | dionysus69 | I am from Georgia and it started fetching data from chinese university |
| 10:02.51 | dionysus69 | thats why I had to doublecheck :D weird choice but whatever if it is safe |
| 10:03.11 | TomTomTosch | you know, the world is a village. |
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| 10:05.04 | rozie | well, routes may not be perfect |
| 10:05.23 | rozie | you can contact the crew and let them know about your issue |
| 10:06.10 | rozie | as long as you don't skip gpg verification, it should be safe. just like any other repo |
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| 10:09.18 | Murii | I'm in love with ati's drivers on linux <3 |
| 10:09.22 | Murii | I can't even play hd vids |
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| 10:10.51 | Murii | Even my retard tablet can but my laptop no :> |
| 10:10.53 | Murii | cool features |
| 10:11.01 | dionysus69 | haha |
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| 10:25.44 | tirter | I would like to install debian |
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| 10:26.26 | tirter | Butt when I run the installer I cannot connect to the network |
| 10:27.25 | tirter | It says my network is not using dchp, which is not true |
| 10:27.58 | tirter | I can now go to the terminal |
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| 10:28.35 | tirter | but I do know what to do there, to make the wifi work |
| 10:28.41 | tirter | could somebody help me? |
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| 10:33.29 | tirter | Should I try to install wpa-supplicant or wireless tools? |
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| 10:35.08 | tigerman_ | Hello, have anyone here tried Qlogic FibreOptic HBA on Debian? |
| 10:35.16 | tigerman_ | I cannot make it work. |
| 10:36.22 | rozie | tirter: read about installing wifi firmware in Debian |
| 10:36.28 | rozie | or just use non-free installer |
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| 10:37.55 | jelly | tigerman_, enable non-free sources, install firmware-qlogic, reboot (unload qla2xxx kernel module and load it again) |
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| 10:38.05 | jelly | dpkg, tell tigerman_ about non-free sources |
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| 10:40.54 | jelly | making it work somehw is the easy part; making it work correctly with multipath and all sorts of mpath failures is the problematic bit, on debian |
| 10:41.21 | jak2000 | my eth0 not turned on at bootup, always, always, i typed: sudo ifdown eth0 and then sudo ifup eth0 and then can we working fine, how to fix it? |
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| 10:42.30 | jak2000 | in interfases file i see: auto eth0 |
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| 10:48.33 | miggyb | Anyone have any experience running a local/LAN apt mirror? Can't find any official sources/manuals/howtos |
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| 10:58.22 | knamehost | hello |
| 10:58.42 | knamehost | does any here knows how to rescue mode in debian |
| 10:58.52 | knamehost | i broke my deian 8 |
| 10:59.05 | knamehost | cant rescue mode |
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| 11:13.19 | jelly | knamehost, if you can't get to boot loader (grub) menu advanced options and pick rescue mode there, boot some live linux image instead |
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| 11:15.13 | tirter | I want to install make so I can install my network cards firmware. I downloaded the package to a usb |
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| 11:15.40 | tirter | What commands should I use to install make |
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| 11:17.37 | _unreal_ | what version of debian do you have |
| 11:17.48 | _unreal_ | if you have the latest, make should already be installed |
| 11:18.05 | tirter | The latest, I will take a look |
| 11:18.19 | tirter | bash: make: command not found |
| 11:18.35 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: buildutils, or just make. |
| 11:18.45 | tirter | I also donot see a usb in /media |
| 11:18.53 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: apt-get install buildutils |
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| 11:18.56 | _unreal_ | if you have the source code to build the firmware then you need to go to the folder where it is located and type make makefile |
| 11:19.13 | _unreal_ | makefile being the script |
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| 11:19.36 | _unreal_ | tirter, "df -ah" |
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| 11:21.57 | _unreal_ | ? |
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| 11:22.46 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: what card is that? chances are there is a package with the firmware. |
| 11:22.48 | hrob | hi, does this md raid setup make any sense to anyone? -- md1 : active raid10 sdg2[0] sda2[2] |
| 11:23.06 | hrob | and proc/mounts, says ... /dev/md1 / ext4 rw,noatime,nodiratime,discard,errors=remount-ro,stripe=128,data=ordered 0 0 |
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| 11:23.44 | hrob | am I reading this correct -- raid 10 with two disks mounted as file system root |
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| 11:24.11 | tirter | TomTomTo1: I do not have an internet connection yet |
| 11:24.14 | _unreal_ | tirter, there is typically a help txt file that tells how to build the software as well, it may require you to run a few commands PRE "make" command. |
| 11:24.55 | tirter | I still didn't findn the folder, it looks like it doesn't recognize the usb stick |
| 11:25.11 | _unreal_ | tirter, |
| 11:25.14 | _unreal_ | tirter, "df -ah" |
| 11:25.31 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: you can download the package on a second machine and install it without an internet connection. |
| 11:26.26 | tirter | TomTomTo1: the package requires make to build, so now I want to install make |
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| 11:26.44 | tirter | _unreal_: no results, still working on it |
| 11:26.49 | _unreal_ | waht? |
| 11:27.03 | tirter | df doesn't do a thing |
| 11:27.14 | _unreal_ | df does nothing........... |
| 11:27.21 | tirter | should I pastebin the output? |
| 11:27.36 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: lspci -nn | grep -i network and give us the pciid pls, that's a number in the form of [1234:4abc] |
| 11:27.51 | _unreal_ | shure......... |
| 11:28.56 | tirter | Oh, wait I cannot pastebin the output :) |
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| 11:32.16 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: it's easier to check if a package for your firmware already exists. you can use a second computer to download it. |
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| 11:32.50 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: if that doesn't work we can still work on getting make on your machine. |
| 11:33.18 | cyberwolfs | How to make visible the hidden files and folders in Vifm or Vim? |
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| 11:33.49 | slax0r | cyberwolfs: what? |
| 11:34.12 | tirter | TomTomTo: the wifi thing is a tnl-wn821n. It is linux compatible. I downloaded the linux drivers and instructions. The instructions says: first command make |
| 11:34.31 | tirter | I mean a tl-wn821n, V4 |
| 11:34.51 | cyberwolfs | vifm - file manager , krusader |
| 11:34.52 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: lspci -nn | grep -i network and give us the pciid pls, that's a number in the form of [1234:4abc] |
| 11:35.19 | cyberwolfs | need visible the hidden files and folders |
| 11:36.29 | tirter | TomTomTo1: it returns nothing |
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| 11:36.56 | slax0r | cyberwolfs: check documentation for vifm, look for "dot files", that's hidden files |
| 11:37.17 | tirter | lspci return a lot of stuf, including my ethernet card, but not the wifi card |
| 11:37.21 | slax0r | but to save you the trouble, shortcut is "zo" |
| 11:37.38 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: the network adapter needs to be plugged in. |
| 11:37.47 | dionysus69 | is it safe to delete ~/.cache dir? |
| 11:37.51 | dionysus69 | will it be recreated |
| 11:37.52 | dionysus69 | ? |
| 11:38.02 | slax0r | normally yes |
| 11:38.04 | tirter | TomTomTo1: it is plugged it. |
| 11:38.21 | tirter | :) |
| 11:38.41 | tirter | But it isn't detected |
| 11:38.44 | tirter | i think |
| 11:38.47 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: oh, usb device not pci. pardon me. |
| 11:38.57 | Vardex | Hi, I just fuck up, I tried to update my debian 7 to debian 8 and now I can't connect to ssh with root, I don't have any other user that I can connect to, how can I reactivate the connect with ssh as root? (maybe with rescue mode idk) |
| 11:39.56 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: a bit of googling revealed that it has an atheros chipset. you can try downloading the firmware here: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-atheros_0.43_all.deb |
| 11:40.34 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: afterwards you put it on a usb, transfer it to your machine and install it using dpkg -i firmware-atheros_0.43_all.deb |
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| 11:43.10 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: install it without your device plugged in. if you plug it in afterwards, the kernel module should be automatically loaded. the interface should then appear in /sbin/ifconfig |
| 11:43.28 | _unreal_ | TomTomTo1, msg |
| 11:43.31 | tirter | TomTomTo1: I have hardware version 4 |
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| 11:44.28 | tirter | TomTomTo1: That doesn't have the atheros chipset but this one: Realtek RTL8192CU |
| 11:45.06 | tirter | You can get more technical info about it on this page: https://wikidevi.com/wiki/TP-LINK_TL-WN821N_v4 |
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| 11:47.22 | Rephlexie | you try installing the firmware-realtek package? |
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| 11:48.30 | tirter | I can't acces my usb sticks in my computer. That is the problem |
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| 11:48.45 | tirter | I tried: cd /media |
| 11:48.46 | tirter | ls |
| 11:48.49 | tirter | nothing |
| 11:48.58 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: ah. same deal then, different firmware: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_0.43_all.deb |
| 11:49.04 | tirter | Then df -h. Also nonot the right one |
| 11:49.09 | Rephlexie | ^ |
| 11:49.12 | ychaouche | hello #debian |
| 11:50.25 | ychaouche | I'd like to open two remote files inside of emacs, what options do you recommend ? |
| 11:50.54 | ychaouche | I remember I used "fuse" a long time ago, but had some problems (freezes) |
| 11:51.00 | tirter | TomTomTo1: thanks, didnt see that one. But how to transfer it to my pc if i cant find my usb-stick |
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| 11:51.44 | tirter | anyway, thanks for the help. I am afk to eat something |
| 11:51.49 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: you have something that automatically mounts your usb stick? else you would have to do it manually. |
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| 12:02.34 | TomTomTo1 | tirter: as a sidenote, the firmware linked above is for debian jessie only. |
| 12:02.46 | ychaouche | fixed on #emacs |
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| 12:04.16 | JustinHitla | why debian replaced bash with dash ? |
| 12:06.35 | tinyhippo | JustinHitla: they didn't, they replace sh with dash |
| 12:07.14 | tinyhippo | JustinHitla: more info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh |
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| 12:08.00 | JustinHitla | tinyhippo: when they did it ? 3 years ago ? |
| 12:08.40 | Vardex | I just fuck up, I tried to update my debian 7 to debian 8 and now I can't connect to ssh with root, I don't have any other user that I can connect to, how can I reactivate the connect with ssh as root? (maybe with rescue mode idk) |
| 12:09.03 | teraflops | JustinHitla: what's wrong with using dash? |
| 12:09.23 | Lowl3v3l | JustinHitla, nah, this has been that way for quite some time |
| 12:09.23 | teraflops | I'm just curious |
| 12:09.30 | tinyhippo | JustinHitla: according to that article, at least 2010 |
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| 12:12.27 | Megaf | mysql-server package seems to be broken on Wheezy |
| 12:12.39 | Megaf | it install but fails to configure and start the server |
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| 12:22.57 | johnkeates | works fine here |
| 12:22.59 | johnkeates | i think it's you |
| 12:23.37 | tirter | TomTomTo1: thnaks it indeed looks like I have to mount the usb |
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| 12:35.53 | tirter | TomTomTo1: I am pretty sure I am using jessie |
| 12:40.34 | tirter | I am trying to connect to the internet. |
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| 12:40.52 | tirter | I just installed the driver of my wlan adapter |
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| 12:41.13 | tirter | when I run lsusb I can see it |
| 12:41.20 | tirter | but ifconfig does not |
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| 12:46.12 | gr8 | how can I import a custom SSL certificate to my system so that the browser does not complain any more? |
| 12:46.25 | johnkeates | it's better to fix it |
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| 12:46.32 | johnkeates | but use ca-certificates |
| 12:46.42 | johnkeates | firefox doesn't adhere to that and you need to install it in firefox itself |
| 12:46.45 | johnkeates | thunderbird same |
| 12:46.54 | johnkeates | to some context is needed |
| 12:47.01 | abrotman | less enter key! |
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| 12:47.30 | johnkeates | but how do i send things? :( |
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| 12:50.27 | gr8 | uhm ok just imported it into the browser :D |
| 12:51.22 | yottanami | I am trying to install emacs-snapshot so I added the repo address but I got this error during installation emacs-snapshot : Depends: libgif4 (>= 4.1.4) but it is not installable here is details http://dpaste.com/27R8PJE |
| 12:51.46 | yottanami | I think it happens because of installing some i386 packages and using multiarch |
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| 12:55.40 | tirter | I am trying to connect over wifi to the internet. I installed the drivers and I can now see the device when I type lsusb. But when I type ifconfig there is no wlan0. What should I do to connect to the internet. Should I change my /etc/network/interfaces of something else? |
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| 13:01.55 | SynrG | tirter: do you have a wifi manager installed? (network-manager, wicd)? |
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| 13:02.53 | SynrG | tirter: and no, /etc/network/interfaces doesn't need anything with a wifi manager in use, and that's the sanest way to manage connecting to arbitrary wifi networks |
| 13:03.27 | tirter | SynrG: I have nothing installed. Just a fresh install of debian jessie |
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| 13:03.46 | SynrG | by "nothing", do you mean just a base install? |
| 13:03.54 | SynrG | no desktop, even? |
| 13:04.06 | tirter | no desktop |
| 13:04.15 | SynrG | do you intend to put a desktop on it? |
| 13:04.23 | tirter | gnome |
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| 13:04.40 | SynrG | do you need wifi to work before installing gnome? |
| 13:04.59 | SynrG | the easiest way forward, if you just need the network for installing gnome is ethernet. |
| 13:05.17 | SynrG | if you can't do that, it's possible to configure wifi by other means |
| 13:05.25 | tirter | I was planning to connect to the internet so I could run aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 13:05.43 | SynrG | is it difficult to do that with ethernet? |
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| 13:06.23 | tirter | well it is possible but I am running a desktop and it is pretty far away from the router. |
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| 13:06.39 | MrHossein | hi |
| 13:07.16 | SynrG | tirter: otherwise, you need to get wireless-tools at the very least, and probably also wpasupplicant, before you can go further |
| 13:07.24 | MrHossein | how i can join this channel with pidgin |
| 13:07.31 | MrHossein | or make account in freenode? |
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| 13:08.55 | tirter | SynrG: I will try to transfer the gnome deb archive from a usb stick to the machine and then install it |
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| 13:09.28 | SynrG | tirter: where "the gnome deb archive" is a mirror containing all the gnome packages? |
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| 13:09.58 | SynrG | tirter: also, see https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse if you want to do wifi "the hard way" (i.e. not the gnome way) |
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| 13:10.16 | SynrG | tirter: also, be advised ifconfig is deprecated |
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| 13:11.08 | MrHossein1 | hi |
| 13:11.11 | MrHossein1 | guys |
| 13:11.16 | SynrG | tirter: try 'ip addr' for what you were looking for, i think |
| 13:11.20 | MrHossein1 | how i can make account in freenode.net |
| 13:11.21 | tirter | SynrG: I found the deb package so I think it will work |
| 13:11.48 | SynrG | tirter: "the deb package" meaning gnome, a single deb package? |
| 13:11.54 | SynrG | tirter: no, that will definitely not work |
| 13:12.15 | SynrG | gnome is not contained within a single deb. that is only a metapackage. it depends on a considerable number of other individual debs |
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| 13:12.52 | SynrG | tirter: you will lose interest in the exercise long before you figure out which packages to copy over to the system :) |
| 13:13.26 | tirter | SynrG: Yeah, evolution, gnome-office |
| 13:13.35 | SynrG | !apt-offline |
| 13:13.35 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://bit.ly/1UYVX5g . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>. |
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| 13:14.28 | SynrG | tirter: there are several ways forward for you, but truly, the simplest is ethernet. unless that's rather difficult (not merely somewhat inconvenient), it's what i recommend |
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| 13:15.01 | tirter | maybe my laptop can share it's wifi with the ethernet port |
| 13:15.07 | SynrG | look at the wifi & offline apt instructions i gave above, see if those look preferable to you ... |
| 13:15.21 | SynrG | with "wifi the hard way" you only need one, maybe two packages |
| 13:15.29 | SynrG | with gnome, you need a metric buttload |
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| 13:15.52 | Rephlexie | tirter, SynrG is spot on you are like 2 packages small away from wifi. |
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| 13:17.50 | SynrG | tirter: regarding configuring a second network via ethernet from a laptop, at the very least, you would need either a crossover cable or a hub/switch |
| 13:18.13 | SynrG | tirter: imo, this is not worth pursuing |
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| 13:18.59 | hrob | I have a boot partition that is md raid1 |
| 13:19.26 | hrob | when one of the disks failed today, grub could not boot the machine any more |
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| 13:19.32 | tirter | no, I think I did this before. I used my windows laptops ethernet port and connected the ethernet with my desktops ethernet. |
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| 13:20.29 | SynrG | with a hub or switch between, this would work. without a crossover cable, though, rx would be talking to rx and tx to tx. this does not work. |
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| 13:21.43 | tirter | Well if you say so. So this would not work: http://countrymilewifi.com/how-to-share-computers-wifi-with-ethernet-devices.aspx |
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| 13:30.00 | SynrG | tirter: if ethernet devices have evolved the ability to switch rx & tx, this might work. it goes against what i thought i knew about how ethernet devices have worked historically, though. |
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| 13:30.26 | SynrG | once upon a time, a crossover cable was needed. perhaps this is now no longer the case. |
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| 13:31.22 | tirter | SynrG: I will take a look at the hard way. I hopefully will also learn something from it. |
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| 13:31.29 | SynrG | tirter: according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable there is a feature called auto mdi-x |
| 13:31.37 | SynrG | tirter: this is new to me :) |
| 13:31.43 | SynrG | (yes, i am a dinosaur) |
| 13:31.57 | bezaban | it's in practically all equipment now :) |
| 13:31.59 | SynrG | tirter: so yes, i'm sure the article you cited would work |
| 13:32.23 | tirter | Yeah, I just troubleshooted that my ethernent port is broken |
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| 13:32.31 | SynrG | bezaban: sure. but i have a tendency to be blind to solutions to problems i don't have until i have that problem :p |
| 13:32.44 | bezaban | SynrG: hehe yeah |
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| 13:35.31 | SynrG | this has been fun, but i gotta work. later |
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| 13:40.30 | TheSin | I'm running the same versions of systemd, syslog-ng, postfix on all my servers, but like 50% of them in the log have postfix/smptd[1234]: blah blah and the other hald only show smtpd[1234]: blah blah |
| 13:40.39 | TheSin | this isnt' an issue on it's own but the logcheck files that come with postfix expect postfix/smtpd so the servers that omit the postfix/ I get like 5-10 MB logs form them nightly and that is a PITA, what controls that? I thought it would be the app since it's logs but since systemd is a mystery to me and I know it's has it's own logger system maybe it's somethign in systemd? |
| 13:41.15 | TheSin | I just really need to know what determins if it's going to log with smtpd or postfix/smtpd as I have no idea where to look even |
| 13:41.43 | jhutchins | TheSin: Comparing the postfix config files would be a good place to start. |
| 13:42.23 | TheSin | yeah I have been I see nothing different which is just making me bonkers |
| 13:42.45 | greycat | Man, there must be some massive delay on posts to debian-user. :( |
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| 13:46.28 | greycat | 2016-08-08 10:45:41.368655500 delivery 24: deferral: 82.195.75.100_does_not_like_recipient./Remote_host_said:_450_4.2.0_<debian-user-request@lists.debian.org>:_Recipient_address_rejected:_Greylisted,_see_http://postgrey.schweikert.ch/help/lists.debian.org.html/Giving_up_on_82.195.75.100./ |
| 13:46.34 | greycat | ... and that would be why. |
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| 13:47.15 | greycat | Oh wait, that's yesterday's. |
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| 13:51.01 | greycat | *sigh* fuck. 2016-08-09 09:50:38.005461500 delivery 608: deferral: CNAME_lookup_failed_temporarily._(#4.4.3)/ |
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| 13:59.57 | Vardex | I fuck up, I tried to update my debian 7 to debian 8 and now I can't connect to ssh with root, I don't have any other user that I can connect to, how can I reactivate the connect with ssh as root? (maybe with rescue mode idk) |
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| 14:03.54 | c-c | I found an interesting problem on jessie. $ sudo apt-get install iftop finishes ok, and $ man iftop works, but $ iftop -h says command not found. What do? |
| 14:04.18 | greycat | Vardex: log in some other way besides ssh. Console, serial console, etc. |
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| 14:04.45 | Vardex | @greycat It's a server how can I do that? |
| 14:04.50 | tirter | c-c what does jus iftop do? |
| 14:04.57 | tirter | *just |
| 14:05.04 | greycat | However you installed it. |
| 14:05.17 | c-c | the same, command not found. The same in a new term. |
| 14:05.21 | themill | c-c: iftop is in /usr/sbin which isn't on your user's PATH |
| 14:06.33 | c-c | themill: ok, that is correct |
| 14:06.38 | c-c | thank you sir! |
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| 14:08.41 | Bombo | hi |
| 14:08.54 | tirter | I am trying to connect to the internet over wifi. I installed wpa-supplicant and wireless tools. I changed my /etc/network/interfaces to connect with my network. However ifup wlan0 gives an error: no such file /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant |
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| 14:09.50 | tirter | But I can see with ls that there is a file /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpa-supplicant. |
| 14:10.27 | tirter | ls-al gives wpasupplicant -> ../../wpa_supplicant/ifupdown.sh |
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| 14:11.55 | c-c | wicd? lol |
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| 14:12.11 | tirter | I wasn't planning to use wicd |
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| 14:13.40 | tirter | should I reboot or something? |
| 14:14.02 | tirter | or service network restart? |
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| 14:14.35 | c-c | tirter why not follow the error? |
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| 14:14.54 | tirter | c-c: what do you mean? |
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| 14:15.17 | c-c | read your comment 17:08 |
| 14:15.50 | tirter | You know that the times are different depending on your timezone |
| 14:15.55 | c-c | maybe take a nap if you don't remember writing about the error |
| 14:15.58 | tirter | :) |
| 14:16.02 | c-c | gl! |
| 14:16.20 | tirter | The error was: no such file or directory |
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| 14:16.38 | tirter | but when I look for the file: I can find it |
| 14:16.57 | tirter | in the good directory I did this: ls -al |
| 14:17.09 | tirter | and it results in something pretty weird: |
| 14:17.24 | tirter | wpasupplicant -> ../../wpa_supplicant/ifupdown.sh |
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| 14:26.45 | kz | Do you need a fast computer to use Debian? |
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| 14:27.45 | prussian | not really kz |
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| 14:28.07 | prussian | I mean it's more on what software you end up using |
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| 14:29.48 | stoned | c-c: hi |
| 14:29.49 | c-c | kz I run vanilla on a 1st gen atom |
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| 14:31.26 | tirter | kz: no |
| 14:32.11 | kz | I only have a quad core I7 |
| 14:32.59 | tirter | that is more then enough |
| 14:33.33 | c-c | kz I have 1st gen atom and 1 gb memory and currently couple of terminals, browser tabs, audacity, desktop+services and its actually not slow at all |
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| 14:33.43 | c-c | openbox/lxde tweak |
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| 14:37.36 | stoned | c-c: I think I fixed it. Let's test |
| 14:37.42 | tirter | Well, for debian you should at least have a xeon 10 core cpu with watercooling and a titan x for decent graphics and 16 gigs or more ram |
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| 14:38.10 | greycat | Only if you run a web browser. Otherwise you can get away with a Pentium and 256 MB or so. |
| 14:38.46 | kz | What if you use chrome? |
| 14:38.54 | greycat | That's a web browser. |
| 14:39.13 | rafalcpp | can I tell debootstrap to use a script from a file, like --suite /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/xenial ? |
| 14:40.24 | tirter | You can run debian on a raspberry pi so ... |
| 14:40.44 | tirter | only it is name raspbian then |
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| 14:40.56 | greycat | (and not supported here) |
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| 14:44.04 | jelly | only r.pi 3 can run a normal debian armhf |
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| 14:47.38 | jhutchins | tirter: raspian is actually a derivitive distribution, although it adheres pretty closely to actual Debian. |
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| 14:50.26 | tirter | jhutchins: what does that mean exactly? |
| 14:50.46 | tirter | I tought it was something like ubuntu |
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| 14:51.25 | jhutchins | !raspian |
| 14:51.25 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 14:51.26 | Lal | Hey guys, I've been trying get bug reports via gmail and now I am encountered with following problem. Kindly help. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/r6TRsYru/error1.png |
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| 15:11.55 | rockrock | on rasbian, while doing upgrade, apt outputed something like "removing devirsion of ... to ... by rpikernelhack". What does it mean and what is rpikernelhack? |
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| 15:12.30 | greycat | !raspbian |
| 15:12.30 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 15:14.15 | rockrock | greycat: ah, I had mistyped #raspbian channel name and though it was empty. My bad |
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| 15:22.07 | jair | Hello there have anyone try installing debian in a dell latitude E5570? I keep getting a kernel panic after I log in |
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| 15:23.21 | jhutchins | jair: Which release, which installer, which desktop? |
| 15:24.04 | jair | laptop latitude E5570 |
| 15:24.47 | jair | debian 8.5 amd64 |
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| 15:29.09 | jair | jhutchins: ? |
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| 15:47.29 | Vardex | I fuck up, I tried to update my debian 7 to debian 8 and now I can't connect to ssh with root, I don't have any other user that I can connect to, how can I reactivate the connect with ssh as root? (maybe with rescue mode idk) |
| 15:48.00 | greycat | Yes. Boot with rescue mode. Boot any way you can that gets you shell access. |
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| 15:52.38 | smdrz | is vapoursynth ever present in debian? |
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| 15:52.56 | jhutchins | jair: I did ask about desktop environment, but I would start with booting to rescue/single user mode and checking logs. Something that's launching in the DE after you log in is probably causing the panic. |
| 15:53.13 | jelly | ,v vapoursynth |
| 15:53.14 | judd | No package named 'vapoursynth' was found in amd64. |
| 15:53.27 | jelly | nope, smdrz |
| 15:53.36 | Lacho1 | http://www.vapoursynth.com/doc/installation.html#linux-installation-from-packages |
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| 15:53.42 | smdrz | ok |
| 15:53.51 | jhutchins | jair: You probably want to determine your graphics chipset (lspci -nn, look for VGA) and check the web to see if it needs special attention ( http://x.org ), check which kernel you're using and what your model likes. |
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| 15:58.04 | doubledogdare610 | Ayy debs, I've got some kernel updates being held back. I don't want to do dist-upgrade but rather find out what is holding back this upgrade.. |
| 16:00.09 | Vardex | greycat : And what do I do in rescue mode, I tried mounting the disk and edit the file but the connect with ssh as root was already on, I think it was for the rescue mode to work, how can I edit the file for the real root? |
| 16:00.16 | jair | hello there I am trying again the installation of debian 8.5 64bit in a dell latitude E5570 |
| 16:00.51 | greycat | Vardex: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and change PermitRootLogin to yes instead of no (or instead of without-password) |
| 16:01.18 | greycat | Vardex: or, add a non-root account for yourself that can login |
| 16:02.10 | Vardex | greycat it was alredy on yes (for the rescue root to work), but after starting on disk, still the same problem, same for adding a non-root account, it wasn't here after restarting on disk |
| 16:02.32 | greycat | Vardex: Go back to the beginning. What is the *exact* problem you are having? |
| 16:02.34 | jair | jhutchins: thanks will check after finish the installation |
| 16:02.51 | jair | I installed cinnamon desktop instead of gnome this time |
| 16:03.20 | Vardex | greycat I put yes when it asked me if I want to remove the connect to ssh as root with password, now can't connect |
| 16:03.40 | greycat | No. Not "what I think I did". What is the PROBLEM. "When I do ____ it says ____" |
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| 16:05.41 | triter | I want to connect to internet over wifi from my base debian jessie installation (no desktop). I installed wireless-tools and wpa_supplicannt and all the stuff it depends on |
| 16:06.00 | triter | I also changed /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:06.10 | Vardex | greycat : Alright when I try to connect as root with ssh or with filezilla I have access denied |
| 16:06.14 | triter | so it would work |
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| 16:07.00 | triter | but always when I try to do this: systemctl restart wpa_supplicant it failes |
| 16:07.05 | greycat | If it says "access denied" then I do not know what is wrong. That is NOT what ssh says when you connect as root to a system with "PermitRootLogin no". |
| 16:07.14 | greycat | You'll have to figure out what is actually wrong. |
| 16:07.25 | triter | dbus: could not request service name: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied Connection ":1.4"is not allowed to o |
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| 16:07.52 | triter | but I run everything as root so it is weird that it says acces denied |
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| 16:10.02 | Vardex | greycat : It may be related to the other problem when I try to connect to a non root user I have a PuTTY Fatal Error |
| 16:10.06 | triter | why do I get that error? |
| 16:10.06 | Vardex | Network error: Software caused connection abort |
| 16:11.05 | doubledogdare610 | Ayy debs, I've got some kernel updates being held back. I don't want to do dist-upgrade but rather find out what is holding back this upgrade.. |
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| 16:19.02 | jair | hello jhutchins , I was able to log in and it is running with rendering software, how should I solve that issue? |
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| 16:19.38 | jair | checking the graphics and installing the comercial drivers? or a different kernel? |
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| 16:21.07 | jair | the following kernel is running currently 3.16.7 |
| 16:21.43 | jair | Debian is running great with cinamon, I wonder if it is because of the gnome I was trying to run before? |
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| 16:28.28 | smw | When doing an apt-get uninstall, is there an easy way to force dpkg warnings to be errors? |
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| 16:32.32 | doubledogdare610 | Ayy debs, I've got some kernel updates being held back. I don't want to do dist-upgrade but rather find out what is holding back this upgrade.. |
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| 16:33.10 | greycat | !kept back |
| 16:33.10 | dpkg | somebody said kept back was when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 and ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
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| 16:41.15 | doubledogdare610 | greycat: This does not tell me about how to find these unresolved dependencies.. |
| 16:41.35 | greycat | <<To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>".>> didn't work? |
| 16:41.58 | doubledogdare610 | Oops, forgot to try that :P |
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| 16:48.08 | doubledogdare610 | greycat: Doing that yields no errors.. |
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| 16:48.56 | niv | hello! im having issues with systemd after updating a wheezy server to jessie. specifically, im trying to run caddy with the included init.service file. systemd however says: Failed at step EXEC spawning /usr/local/bin/caddy: Resource temporarily unavailable. running the binary manually with the correct user/env works fine. |
| 16:49.09 | greycat | I don't know, then. That's what the bot had. If it were me I would run "apt-get install kept-back-pkg" and see what it says (don't say yes, just READ). I don't use aptitude. |
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| 17:03.51 | hrob | will I be able to reinstall debian, and it will still discover previous raid arrays? |
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| 17:04.06 | hrob | should I be saving some raid configurations somewhere? |
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| 17:14.36 | dionysus69 | var/log dir is 4.2 GB, I suppose that is a joke? how do I clean just delete everytihng inside? |
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| 17:15.06 | knoppix | hi all |
| 17:15.16 | dionysus69 | and this installation is only a couple day old I just have been installing and removing lots of stuff |
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| 17:17.08 | pugfantus | dionysus69: do an 'ls -Slrh /var/log' to see what's taking up so much room, if nothing looks out out place, then try 'du -h /var/log | sort -h' to see which directory is the largest |
| 17:17.58 | pugfantus | throw a ' | tail -10' on the end of those to see the top 10 offenders |
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| 17:19.12 | pugfantus | something's gone awry, you should figure that out before mass deleting your logs |
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| 17:20.18 | dionysus69 | pugfantus: syslog file is 1.3G messages file is 1.4G and user.log is also 1.4log |
| 17:20.25 | dionysus69 | so those three files are a problem |
| 17:20.34 | dionysus69 | can I safely delete them? |
| 17:21.04 | greycat | You can truncate them. Do not just remove them. |
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| 17:21.11 | greycat | > filename NOT rm filename |
| 17:21.29 | dionysus69 | you mean delete contents of the file right? |
| 17:21.37 | greycat | yes |
| 17:21.47 | dionysus69 | ok cool thats what I ll do :) thanks |
| 17:22.01 | greycat | Still, you want to find out what is causing so much output in your syslog. |
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| 17:24.00 | dionysus69 | I compiled mesa or something for intel driver that compilation took lots of time and it seems it saved all of the text in logs |
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| 17:25.21 | greycat | Is this a docker thing? puppet? ansible? Which eldritch abomination is it? Just out of morbid curiosity. What would do something so horribly stupid? |
| 17:25.30 | radonx | hello |
| 17:26.13 | dionysus69 | greycat: is that to me ? :D |
| 17:26.17 | greycat | yes |
| 17:26.26 | dionysus69 | I didnt understand anything |
| 17:26.36 | greycat | What thing are you using that logged compiler output into syslog? |
| 17:26.53 | dionysus69 | ug 9 21:22:48 debgen tracker-miner-fs.desktop[3207]: (tracker-miner-fs:3207): Tracker-CRITICAL * |
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| 17:27.01 | dionysus69 | dunno what do you mean what am i using |
| 17:27.42 | greycat | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2217610 |
| 17:27.50 | greycat | Which version of Ubuntu are you using? |
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| 17:28.37 | doubledogdare610 | greycat: I have done even more investigating. There is apparently no reason that they were held back.. Must be an un-noticed bug. |
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| 17:29.15 | doubledogdare610 | greycat: I have done dist-upgrade. Anyway, thanks for your help! |
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| 17:33.01 | dionysus69 | greycat: I am using debian stretch why :D ? |
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| 17:33.26 | greycat | !pal dionysus69 |
| 17:33.26 | dpkg | points at dionysus69 and laughs hysterically |
| 17:33.27 | dionysus69 | ye that miner is still running actually, I will read that forum post in a bit though |
| 17:33.39 | dionysus69 | why greycat why ? :( |
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| 17:33.48 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 17:33.49 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:34.54 | radonx | i installed Debian on a HDD and moved the HDD to another PC, I'm able to login but after the login i get " |
| 17:35.30 | radonx | i installed Debian on a HDD and moved the HDD to another PC, I'm able to login but after the login i get "A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. all extensions have been disabled as precatution" does someone has a answer to fix it? |
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| 17:53.12 | pugfantus | radonx: I assume you're not using VirtualBox then? |
| 17:54.39 | radonx | nope |
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| 17:56.47 | dannysantos | I want to connect to my remote pc through vnc but I can't seem to do it. I have installed vnc4server as my server. My client is tightVNC. I'm connecting well because it asks for password, but after I typed the correct password I appears that something went wrong. Does anyone know what I should do? My .vnc/xstartup is on this link http://paste.debia |
| 17:56.48 | dannysantos | n.net/787680 |
| 17:57.28 | codekK | Hello, someone using tint2 can help me to show up the icons on the taskbar??? Here its my tint2rc http://pastie.org/pastes/10933614/text thanks ! |
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| 18:00.29 | pignaniel | !list |
| 18:00.29 | dpkg | pignaniel: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 18:01.34 | greycat | I don't understand why the response to "list" is "italian support" |
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| 18:02.01 | teraflops | greycat: I do |
| 18:02.52 | greycat | Can you explain it to a non-Italian? |
| 18:02.52 | lattera | I'm running Debian 8 on a MacBook Pro 11,1 and I've noticed that the battery level is (very) slowly going down with the power adapter plugged in... three days ago, the laptop was sitting at 97.7%, now at 94.67% |
| 18:03.12 | lattera | anyone know why that is and if that's normal (and will stop decreasing)? |
| 18:03.25 | teraflops | greycat: is not pointing to debian italian support, the !list is for searching stuff shared by bots/addons |
| 18:03.50 | greycat | Right, I get that. So why is the response "go here for italian stuff" and not "go away, there are no warez"? |
| 18:03.58 | teraflops | heh |
| 18:04.24 | teraflops | greycat: the fact is that only italian people do the !list shot |
| 18:04.27 | teraflops | shit* |
| 18:04.55 | teraflops | idk why to be honest but look at the ip of that guy |
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| 18:05.03 | teraflops | .retail.telecomitalia.it |
| 18:05.14 | greycat | Yes, I saw. But one data point. |
| 18:05.41 | LtL | teraflops: and that is what is so strange, only italians do it.. |
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| 18:06.02 | LtL | or 99 per cent |
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| 18:06.20 | teraflops | LtL: yeah it's like there they use to share warez via irc and xfer protocol or whatever it's named |
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| 18:06.43 | sl4v3 | anyone know a good place i could get support for SimpleSAMLphp? |
| 18:07.08 | LtL | teraflops: yeah !list is a file server bot trigger, but you knew that |
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| 18:07.25 | greycat | The question is why 99% of the people doing it are Italian. |
| 18:07.30 | greycat | (Allegedly.) |
| 18:07.48 | LtL | greycat: exaxctly, been that way for years |
| 18:07.50 | teraflops | I know it after doing my own research due italian guys spamming the channel for years |
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| 18:08.51 | dannysantos | Does anyone do vnc on debian here? Is it supported on jessie? |
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| 18:09.18 | dionysus69 | yes of course |
| 18:09.20 | greycat | If there are VNC packages in jessie, then by definition they are supported. I don't know whether any people *currently* in Debian can answer questions about them. |
| 18:09.28 | greycat | in #debian I mean |
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| 18:12.12 | dannysantos | dionysus69: Can you show me your .vnc/xstartup? I can seem to make mine work |
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| 18:12.36 | dannysantos | thanks greycat, where do you think I should ask? |
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| 18:13.11 | SerajewelKS | i'm trying to deconfigure an interface and it just won't stay down. something keeps bringing the interface back up and running dhclient, even though the /etc/network/interfaces entry is listed as static. |
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| 18:13.48 | SerajewelKS | no matter how many times i kill dhclient, it comes back. |
| 18:13.59 | greycat | SerajewelKS: if you edited the interface and CHANGED it from dhcp to static, then you have to kill the dhclient daemon yourself. It won't die when you do "ifdown" because ifdown reads the file, sees "static", assumes there is no daemon, does not kill the daemon. |
| 18:13.59 | SerajewelKS | pretty vanilla debian install. is this some systemd crap? |
| 18:14.07 | dannysantos | dionysus69: I CAN'T seem to make mine work |
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| 18:14.12 | SerajewelKS | greycat: i have killed it multiple times, it keeps being restarted |
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| 18:14.29 | greycat | SerajewelKS: then it might be network-manager if you're using that crap. Or something of which I have no knowledge. |
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| 18:15.10 | teraflops | LtL: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Downloading_Files_from_IRC/XDCC_Bot_Guide#Where_do_I_find_a_bot.27s_packlist.3F |
| 18:15.35 | SerajewelKS | greycat: ah that might be it. i don't have network manager installed, but it looks like something similar came with lxde. i can't figure out what it's called though... |
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| 18:16.05 | dionysus69 | dannysantos: try x11vnc or something like that |
| 18:16.15 | greycat | teraflops: why are you showing us this web page? |
| 18:16.30 | teraflops | the !list thing |
| 18:16.42 | greycat | We know what !list is. Nobody has EVER ASKED what it is. We know. |
| 18:16.49 | greycat | What we don't know is why only Italians use it. |
| 18:17.06 | dannysantos | dionysus69: I have vnc4server. is it not good? |
| 18:17.12 | teraflops | io non capito niente |
| 18:17.48 | dionysus69 | dannysantos: never used it, I just know x11vnc works well, that one might not be that good dunno :D |
| 18:17.53 | LtL | teraflops: i know how it works, just don't know why only italians do it here :) |
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| 18:18.14 | dionysus69 | greycat: miner-tracker-fs turned out to be a desktop indexing service, has nothing to do with stretch specifically |
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| 18:18.21 | SerajewelKS | greycat: ah, it's wicd. thanks for the pointer. |
| 18:18.27 | SerajewelKS | i always forget that this crap comes with desktop environments |
| 18:18.32 | teraflops | yeah sorry it was a mystery for me :/ |
| 18:18.42 | dannysantos | dionysus69: ok, i'm goona try it |
| 18:18.47 | cluelessperson | Question, can an init script run forever? |
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| 18:19.33 | greycat | Why wouldn't it be able to? I am not aware of any timeout imposed upon them under sysvinit. With systemd, who the hell knows. |
| 18:19.51 | greycat | What is your REAL question? |
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| 18:21.00 | cluelessperson | greycat, When I have my own custom init script for testing, after reboot, I do a ps aux | grep ZacBoot and I don't see it running |
| 18:21.19 | greycat | Why would you expect to see it still running? |
| 18:21.30 | jhutchins | cluelessperson: Have it log somewhere. |
| 18:21.39 | greycat | What version of Debian? Which init system? What does the script do? How did you install/configure/enable it? |
| 18:21.45 | cluelessperson | greycat, Because it loops forever |
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| 18:22.44 | cluelessperson | It's the old init system (before systemd), I initialized it with "update-rc.d ZacBoot defaults" and it is just a while True; do; stuff; done; |
| 18:23.05 | greycat | True is not a valid shell command. |
| 18:23.08 | greycat | true is. |
| 18:23.21 | cluelessperson | >.<;;; |
| 18:23.23 | ultimaq | hey guys I just wanted to know if anyone knows off the cuff how to solve a libGLESv2.so.2 cant open shared obj file error |
| 18:23.49 | greycat | Anyway, sounds like your init script is fucked. In sysvinit, you are supposed to launch a thing in the background and somehow record its PID in a file that gets all corrupted and shit and is worthless and crap. |
| 18:24.11 | greycat | sysvinit is SO BAD that people were willing to accept systemd as the replacement. |
| 18:24.18 | teraflops | xD |
| 18:25.58 | greycat | So your choices are either (1) record your own PID in your own PID file and manage it yourself in your sysvinit script. or (2) learn Debian's start-stop-daemon extension program. |
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| 18:26.03 | greycat | (1) is frankly easier. |
| 18:26.38 | greycat | Then again, you claimed you used True in a shell script, so maybe none of this will be easy for you. |
| 18:27.30 | greycat | As for why your while NonExistentCommand loop exited, well... if the command actually does exist, then you could check your logs to see what happened. You did log everything your script is doing, right? |
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| 18:27.49 | maurer | greycat: So, when I was first starting out I found it easiest to template off a simple daemon's script (I think I used atd?) until I learned how start-stop-daemon worked |
| 18:27.58 | maurer | greycat: Maybe that would be a viable method for him? |
| 18:28.02 | greycat | That's one approach. If that worked for you, then great. |
| 18:28.16 | greycat | I'd rather learn systemd. It's far easier. |
| 18:28.33 | dannysantos | dionysus69: What command do you use to start your vnc server? |
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| 18:30.03 | maurer | greycat: I've found systemd easier and harder. If I want to do something simple, it takes a lot more work. If I want to do something complex, it's much easier than it was with sysvinit |
| 18:30.13 | pragmatism | On the distro site, why are there 8 different ISOs for the i386 stable? Like CD-1, CD-2, etc. |
| 18:30.25 | maurer | pragmatism: The CDs past 1 have additional packages |
| 18:30.31 | maurer | pragmatism: for use in installing without an internet connection |
| 18:30.34 | pragmatism | Gotcha |
| 18:30.35 | greycat | That's fair. For really simple thing (one-liner commands that I want to run at boot time that are *not* services to manage), I just use rc.local. |
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| 18:30.57 | dionysus69 | hmm let me see dannysantos |
| 18:30.59 | maurer | greycat: Yeah, my example like that is that I have an IPMI device that can't hold part of its state |
| 18:30.59 | pragmatism | maurer Is it incremental? Does 8 come with the most preinstalled packages |
| 18:31.11 | greycat | pragmatism: If you have an internet connection, STOP using those images and just use a netinst image. |
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| 18:31.18 | pragmatism | ack |
| 18:31.20 | pragmatism | ty |
| 18:31.29 | maurer | pragmatism: none of them determine preinstalled packages |
| 18:31.42 | maurer | pragmatism: a good way to think of those CDs is like a downloaded version of archive.debian.org |
| 18:31.50 | maurer | that your computer can use if you have to airgap it or something |
| 18:31.54 | pragmatism | maurer Ah, okay, was just about to ask :) I appreciate it. |
| 18:31.58 | pragmatism | maurer thanks! |
| 18:32.19 | greycat | A downloaded stale version of the archive, which you'll immediately replace with newer versions of the packages as soon as you are back on the net. |
| 18:32.57 | maurer | greycat: I've never tried to really run off the cds for a long period of time, do they release cds containing security.debian.org? |
| 18:32.57 | pragmatism | greycat no good. going with the netinst per maurer |
| 18:33.28 | greycat | maurer: Each point release is momentarily up to date, until the next DSA. |
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| 18:33.46 | greycat | or proposed-update, if you use those |
| 18:34.27 | codekK | Hello, someone using tint2 can help me to show up the icons on the taskbar??? Here its my tint2rc http://pastie.org/pastes/10933614/text thanks ! |
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| 18:36.06 | tlolczyk | Something a bit weird is happening to a samba share. I mount it read/write. I can make a directory in it. But when I try to write to the directory I just created, I get a permission denied error. |
| 18:36.32 | greycat | Verify the unix-level permissions on the directory vs. your account. |
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| 18:38.06 | cluelessperson | greycat, how do you recommend running something in background? |
| 18:38.19 | tlolczyk | on a related topic how do I convert between a hex string eq 0248 as a file permission and a string eg --rx-w--w--. |
| 18:38.42 | greycat | cluelessperson: from a sysvinit script without start-stop-daemon? foobar & pid=$!; echo "$pid" > "$mypidfile" |
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| 18:39.03 | greycat | of course foobar is really foobar > somelogfile 2>&1 |
| 18:39.22 | greycat | and you may want to check the exit status and so on |
| 18:39.28 | greycat | "exit", haha. |
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| 18:39.45 | greycat | the exit of the parent process which allegedly spawns the background child, etc. etc. You know. |
| 18:40.20 | greycat | Confusing and stupid, the lot of it. WHY are you writing sysvinit scripts, again? |
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| 18:42.48 | dionysus69 | dannysantos: try this one http://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=8361 |
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| 18:45.01 | greycat | Oh, and don't forget that all of this is complicatedified by anything that backgrounds *itself* and writes its *own* PID file.... |
| 18:45.03 | cplcmp | Is dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M proper way to create bootable USB for 8.5 netinst iso? |
| 18:45.26 | greycat | if /dev/sdb is the correct device, sure. |
| 18:46.22 | cplcmp | Then I have problem booting it up, after booting error message is displayed that somefile 32c "linux.32c" is missing |
| 18:46.30 | cplcmp | sorry if the filename is not exact |
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| 18:47.06 | cplcmp | md5 of the iso is correct |
| 18:47.10 | Lacho | cplcmp: no es linux.c32 ? |
| 18:47.37 | greycat | It's a regular netinst image and *NOT* a live image, yes? |
| 18:47.43 | cplcmp | Lacho, probably |
| 18:47.54 | cplcmp | debian-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:48.21 | Lacho | menu.c32 ? |
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| 18:48.34 | Lacho | si ese archivo, fijate acá --> http://www.ajopaul.com/2014/10/21/linux-usb-boot-disk-error-failed-to-load-com32-file-menu-c32/ |
| 18:49.00 | Lacho | sorry, but i dont speak english |
| 18:49.14 | cplcmp | Lacho, ldlinux.c32 |
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| 18:49.55 | cplcmp | Lacho, np so far I understand (Hasta ahora entiendo) (google translate) |
| 18:50.22 | Lacho | jaja no problem... |
| 18:51.12 | cplcmp | greycat, What image should I download? |
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| 18:53.05 | Lacho | yeap, but should work fine |
| 18:53.29 | simbalion | hi, my debian system has something called Firefox ESR, but it's several versions behind the actual firefox, and I can't seem to just install iceweasel which is what I'm used to using.. can someone help? |
| 18:53.45 | greycat | The link on Debian's home page *should* work but I have not tested it on a USB device: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:54.02 | Lacho | dd=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sda bs=512; sync |
| 18:54.07 | Lowl3v3l | simbalion, debian switched to firefox. iceweasel is pretty much dead afaik. |
| 18:54.19 | greycat | sda is not going to be the correct device for *most* people... |
| 18:54.33 | Lacho | ok, it is a example |
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| 18:54.40 | Lacho | /dev/sdb |
| 18:55.05 | simbalion | Lowl3v3l: Firefox on debian seems to be broken, there's a problem on a specific website that I can't replicate in any other browsers including firefox on windows |
| 18:55.25 | dersand | I'm not sure if this is the right forum. Whenever i'm deleting something from prompt and it's empty, i get a beep sound from the computer. How can i make it quiet? |
| 18:55.34 | Lowl3v3l | dunno about that. My debian got no firefox and i am on sid ^^ |
| 18:55.59 | greycat | !bell |
| 18:56.00 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>. |
| 18:56.23 | TomTomTo1 | simbalion: you can get a newer version of firefox from http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 18:56.34 | Lacho | greycat: you ran sync once ended dd? |
| 18:56.43 | Lacho | greycat: my english really sucks! |
| 18:56.43 | greycat | Lacho: I use CDs. |
| 18:57.20 | simbalion | TomTomTo1: thanks I'll try that |
| 18:57.47 | Lacho | greycat: try unetbottin --> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:58.21 | greycat | Why would I try that? |
| 18:58.23 | greycat | !unetbootin |
| 18:58.23 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 18:59.14 | dersand | greycat: Can "setterm -blength 0" be inserted in ~/.bashrc? If i'm just using a tty. |
| 18:59.41 | greycat | I'd put it in ~/.bash_profile instead, and possibly surround it with a check that you are on /dev/tty[0-9]* |
| 19:00.10 | greycat | Or if you don't want to check for that, maybe just redirected stderr to /dev/null is good enough. |
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| 19:02.32 | greycat | dpkg, beep =~ s/echo -ne 'a'/printf \\\\a/ |
| 19:02.32 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 19:02.50 | greycat | *harumph*. It didn't treat \\ as \ |
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| 19:03.07 | greycat | dpkg, beep =~ s/\\\\a/\\a/ |
| 19:03.07 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 19:03.33 | greycat | has no idea how the original was so mangled if it wasn't using as an escape character... |
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| 19:12.44 | Windows10User | hello |
| 19:12.44 | Windows10User | is there any debian default DE? |
| 19:12.48 | greycat | Nope. |
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| 19:14.03 | greycat | You can check the popularity-contest results to see which ones are most popular, but there isn't any consistency. Debian users are very individualistic. |
| 19:14.13 | knoppix | nope |
| 19:14.34 | Windows10User | greycat: thanks for that answer. |
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| 19:14.52 | Windows10User | so there is no case asking which is the most efficient/optimized desktop for Debian, right |
| 19:14.55 | jmcnaught | well the installer lets you choose a desktop environment. if you select that you want a DE but do not specify which one, you get gnome |
| 19:15.09 | greycat | Use whichever one you like most (or hate least). |
| 19:15.14 | greycat | Or use none of them. |
| 19:15.23 | maurer | Windows10User: "efficient/optimized" is extremely vague. The primary purpose of a DE is to do what the user wants it to do |
| 19:15.29 | winterss | hi |
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| 19:16.07 | knoppix | hi |
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| 19:16.54 | SuperTramp83 | low |
| 19:17.05 | Windows10User | Just gonna move to Linux |
| 19:17.05 | Windows10User | I'm between 4 distros, actually. |
| 19:17.05 | Windows10User | greycat: I'm a Windows user. |
| 19:17.05 | Windows10User | But really hard to decide the distro I guess, not I found I can select DE or Windows managers hehe |
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| 19:17.51 | radonx | i installed Debian on a HDD and moved the HDD to another PC, I'm able to login but after the login i get "A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. all extensions have been disabled as precatution" does someone has a answer to fix it? http://termbin.com/u309 |
| 19:17.54 | disi | I've been seeing this kind of thing more frequently lately. what does it mean? https://gist.github.com/dmtucker/f640d36563366b8e890f449a2095accb |
| 19:20.29 | greycat | Well, it looks like you are getting Debian bug report synposes. |
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| 19:21.23 | jmcnaught | disi: you have apt-listbugs installed |
| 19:21.30 | Windows10User | what did I do |
| 19:21.43 | TomTomTo1 | you activated the spam protection. |
| 19:21.52 | jmcnaught | Windows10User: too many lines at once, don't hit <enter> like it's punctuation ;) |
| 19:21.59 | greycat | Windows10User: 4 of your lines came through all at once. Could have been lag. |
| 19:22.09 | puffyfootpath | So I installed Thunderbird, how do I run it just by typing thunderbird, rather than ./thunderbird/thunderbird? |
| 19:22.22 | Windows10User | dammit, how, sorry, so, where were we |
| 19:22.39 | puffyfootpath | Not even sure what to google to figure it out |
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| 19:22.43 | TomTomTo1 | puffyfootpath: put it somewhere that is in you $PATH or create a symlink. |
| 19:22.56 | greycat | Windows10User: Use whatever you like. If you don't know what you like yet, try each thing. |
| 19:23.03 | jmcnaught | radonx: are you able to log into a virtual console (tty1 for example?) can you make a new user and test logging in with that user? |
| 19:23.09 | disi | jmcnaught: I thnk so... is that what's causing it? |
| 19:23.18 | puffyfootpath | ty TomTomTol |
| 19:23.27 | puffyfootpath | TomTomTo1 |
| 19:23.28 | jmcnaught | puffyfootpath: or you can install Icedove which is just rebranded thunderbird |
| 19:23.46 | puffyfootpath | I already configured Thunderbird, so meh |
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| 19:23.55 | jmcnaught | disi: take a look at the description of the apt-listbugs package |
| 19:24.03 | Windows10User | greycat: thanks, is it possible to ask, why would you recommend debian over ubuntu? |
| 19:24.10 | greycat | !why debian |
| 19:24.11 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 19:24.49 | puffyfootpath | I personally run Debian for better stability and privacy over Ubuntu |
| 19:24.49 | jmcnaught | radonx: also do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file or anything in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? |
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| 19:25.56 | disi | jmcnaught: I see... so if im not running sid, i dont really need that? |
| 19:26.08 | Windows10User | awesome, thanks gonna read that, maybe last question, why is Ubuntu actually the most used distro? at least what I found and read in google say that. |
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| 19:26.27 | radonx | http://termbin.com/nf8d |
| 19:26.28 | greycat | Same reason Windows is the most popular OS. "Because everyone else uses it." |
| 19:26.31 | greycat | Sheep. |
| 19:26.41 | jmcnaught | disi: i don't use it on jessie. if you don't like it don't use it. if you're worried about bugs, keep using it. |
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| 19:27.21 | disi | jmcnaught: I guess I dont fully understand... is it telling me about bugs in things im about to install? |
| 19:27.33 | greycat | disi: that wasn't obvious? |
| 19:27.34 | disi | or things being fixed by what im installing |
| 19:27.44 | greycat | It's telling you about bugs in the package you are about to upgrade. |
| 19:27.55 | cheapie | Is there a way to make sg_format set the FOV and DPRY bits? I need it to do so, but I can't find an option anywhere in the manual. |
| 19:28.02 | Windows10User | greycat: thanks, so your advice is try, but, you use debian and which de? |
| 19:28.05 | jmcnaught | disi: and giving you a chance to cancel the install/upgrade to avoid the bug |
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| 19:28.14 | greycat | Whether the upgrade FIXES or INTRODUCES the bugs, it has no idea. You have to look it up yourself. |
| 19:28.42 | greycat | Windows10User: I use Debian, but I don't use any DE. I just use a regular traditional window manager (fvwm). |
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| 19:29.18 | Windows10User | greycat: that's not gonna be easy for me right :p |
| 19:29.48 | disi | jmcnaught, greycat: i think ill keep this installed for now (considering running sid one day). thank you! |
| 19:29.54 | jmcnaught | Windows10User: i recommend starting with GNOME. You can also have more than one DE installed at a time, and select which one to use when you log in |
| 19:30.05 | greycat | Depends on whether you like the WM defaults, or want to configure stuff. Configuration of WMs is usually a bit more involved than DEs (editing config files, reading man pages). DEs are more point-and-click. |
| 19:30.17 | cheapie | Windows10User: If I were you, I'd install KDE and be done with it for now. The non-DE options are best saved for after you know more about what you're doing. |
| 19:30.38 | cheapie | (or XFCE, or LXDE, or, heck, even GNOME if you like that one) |
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| 19:31.01 | greycat | I'm told that KDE and XFCE are more comfortable for Windows users. |
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| 19:31.44 | cheapie | greycat: I've never used XFCE, but I have used KDE, and it sure feels like Windows. Both in that it's all shiny, and a pain in the a** to work with. |
| 19:32.04 | teraflops | kde learning curve is bigger than gnome one imo |
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| 19:32.22 | jmcnaught | i find GNOME very well polished and at least on my computer things like multimedia buttons worked out of the box, but not on KDE. YMMV |
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| 19:33.00 | cheapie | GNOME seems to be best at Just Working(tm) as long as you don't need anything "special". |
| 19:33.18 | greycat | Doesn't GNOME have a tendency to not let you log in if it doesn't like your video driver? |
| 19:33.22 | missmbob | gnome makes my head hurt |
| 19:33.43 | jmcnaught | fglrx is broken in GNOME on Jessie, but radeon works |
| 19:33.52 | greycat | surely that depends on the video chipset |
| 19:33.53 | ProfessorKaos64 | Do I need to ask about compile errors / build errors in the debian-mentors channel? |
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| 19:34.08 | cheapie | missmbob: KDE does that quite literally since it doesn't support not changing volume settings when notifications play. Still. |
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| 19:34.23 | greycat | ProfessorKaos64: you *can* ask here, if it's Debian related, but -mentors may have more knowledge on the topic |
| 19:34.39 | llldino | Some time ago, bash completion stopped working for me if there was an '+' sign in the command. For example, if I type dd=/dev/ze<TAB> , bash completion would resolve this to '/dev/zero' and completely omit the 'dd if='. Does anyone know why this is happening |
| 19:34.53 | llldino | ^ I mean '=' not '+' |
| 19:34.55 | knoppix | hi I have a knoppix distrib base on debian and i would like change to french keyboardm, any idea ? |
| 19:35.07 | greycat | llldino: sounds like a bug in the bash-completion package |
| 19:35.14 | ProfessorKaos64 | Considering this makefile: https://github.com/libretro/mame2003-libretro/blob/master/Makefile, I can't get why debuild works, but dpkg-buildpackage does not. getting "gcc: error: amd64: No such file or directory" do you think there is just some env var getting set I don't know about? |
| 19:35.34 | greycat | Hah. #knoppix has 3 users. |
| 19:35.49 | jmcnaught | knoppix: use Debian Live instead :) |
| 19:35.50 | radonx | did you found something in my logs? |
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| 19:36.20 | llldino | greycat, I tried dpkg --reconfigure and apt-get install --reinstall, both did nothing. Bash compleation works on my Debian server just fine, but not on my desktop |
| 19:36.34 | jmcnaught | radonx: it seems like gnome is choking because of lack of GPU acceleration, but could you answer my question about xorg.conf? |
| 19:37.06 | greycat | llldino: what version of Debian, what version of bash-completion |
| 19:37.26 | cheapie | llldino: You could try purging and reinstalling, I suppose, if you're fine with losing any config. |
| 19:37.47 | greycat | ProfessorKaos64: that makefile is WAAAY too big for me to find an error without knowing which target you're building |
| 19:37.47 | radonx | in etc/X11 only stands xorg.conf.save |
| 19:37.57 | radonx | (and some other things) |
| 19:38.01 | ProfessorKaos64 | tell me about it... |
| 19:38.10 | ProfessorKaos64 | linux amd64 in a debian jessie chroot |
| 19:38.24 | greycat | ProfessorKaos64: no, what make command is being executed? |
| 19:38.27 | ProfessorKaos64 | I figure something isnt' getting set, I just wish I knew more about debuild vs dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:38.29 | ProfessorKaos64 | make |
| 19:38.30 | llldino | greycat, Debian 8.5, bash-completion 1:2.1-4 |
| 19:38.31 | ProfessorKaos64 | that is it |
| 19:38.41 | ProfessorKaos64 | debuild works, dpkg-buildpackage does not |
| 19:38.51 | ProfessorKaos64 | I tried mimicking flags what plain debuild uses |
| 19:38.57 | ProfessorKaos64 | the wrapper has to be doing something extra |
| 19:39.04 | llldino | cheapie, I might have tried that, may try it again however |
| 19:39.07 | cheapie | llldino: "apt-get purge bash-completion" followed by "apt-get install bash-completion" might be worth a shot. |
| 19:39.27 | ProfessorKaos64 | I have a log of make -d , that is what I am reviewing now |
| 19:39.45 | greycat | ProfessorKaos64: You'd need to show at least the full output of the make command. And this is probably not a thing IRC can deal with. It's going to take a massive amount of work/time. |
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| 19:40.06 | jmcnaught | !confnew |
| 19:40.07 | dpkg | [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>. |
| 19:40.21 | llldino | cheapie, That didn't work, the problem persists |
| 19:40.22 | jmcnaught | llldino: cheapie: ^^ an alternative to purging and installing to replace confs |
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| 19:40.38 | cheapie | jmcnaught: I'll keep that in mind. |
| 19:40.42 | ProfessorKaos64 | http://sprunge.us/dcOD |
| 19:40.50 | cheapie | llldino: Well, I'm out of ideas then :P |
| 19:41.28 | jmcnaught | llldino: /etc/bash_completition.d/ also has files from various other packages. Perhaps something installed recently put a file in that directory that is messing things up? |
| 19:41.33 | greycat | ProfessorKaos64: I can reproduce the error simply enough: |
| 19:41.34 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ gcc amd64 |
| 19:41.34 | greycat | gcc: error: amd64: No such file or directory |
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| 19:41.50 | jmcnaught | radonx: please also check /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ for any files |
| 19:41.51 | ProfessorKaos64 | yes, maybe I am not seeing the obvious :/ |
| 19:41.59 | greycat | What you're looking for is a mangled gcc command. Which is a pain in the ass if you aren't being SHOWN the commands that make is running. Why aren't you being shown them? |
| 19:42.31 | ProfessorKaos64 | I can give you a log with debuild, which does kick off the build without that error |
| 19:42.39 | ProfessorKaos64 | which is why im so frustrated |
| 19:43.04 | greycat | I *HATE* this recent trend of people doing shit to make make's output less verbose. It's so incredibly fucking stupid. |
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| 19:43.26 | jmcnaught | llldino: also worth looking for ~/.bash_completion or testing another user |
| 19:43.30 | llldino | jmcnaught, If I remove the bash-completion package and manually remove the /etc/bash_compleation.d dir, will bash_completion rebuild that on install? |
| 19:43.40 | ProfessorKaos64 | this is an old project, but it was never fixed up. i'd guess that TwinAphex hasn't the time, but I wanted to take a stab at it. I hate building outside of pbuilder/sbuild |
| 19:43.42 | jmcnaught | llldino: no, don't do that! |
| 19:43.52 | greycat | As soon as anything breaks, the very first thing you need to know is "what command did it just run" and you can't see it. |
| 19:43.54 | llldino | jmcnaught, Ha, alright |
| 19:43.55 | jmcnaught | llldino: as i was saying that directory has files from *many* other packages |
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| 19:44.49 | llldino | jmcnaught, Other users have the same bash-completion bug, i.e sudo -i, the problem persists |
| 19:44.52 | jmcnaught | llldino: "dpkg -S bash_completion.d" will list packages that have files in that directory. if you manually delete them, you'll need to use that confmiss trick above on each of those packages |
| 19:44.53 | puffyfootpath | <jmcnaught> puffyfootpath: or you can install Icedove which is just rebranded thunderbird <--- I decided to take your advice. Seems like a bit more privacy conscious build |
| 19:45.20 | jmcnaught | puffyfootpath: it also has the advantage of being updated with the rest of your system |
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| 19:46.55 | puffyfootpath | Fantastic. Anyone know a way to not be banned from half the internet (cloudfare) while using a VPN? |
| 19:47.18 | llldino | puffyfootpath, Don't use a VPN ^^; |
| 19:47.59 | puffyfootpath | hm |
| 19:48.07 | greycat | Well, I'm back in the Fun Zone again. The first google hits for my problem are my own mailing list postings of the problem. |
| 19:49.01 | ProfessorKaos64 | greycat, ha this is pretty much the issue with the implicit prereqs, oh well. ill dig into it and see where I get http://bashdb.sourceforge.net/remake/remake.html/Tracing-Not.html |
| 19:49.38 | radonx | i searched for the xorg.conf only thing i found was xorg.conf.save |
| 19:50.05 | SuperTramp83 | puffyfootpath: I use one and @ ok, no bans |
| 19:50.22 | DoctorD90 | hi! a strange thing today happend to me: when I start pc, and I have my phone as router, debian starts automatically and silently to download upgrade, without install them. At the end (burning my internet phone plan) debian pops up if I would like to install upgrades... |
| 19:50.44 | DoctorD90 | debian has never downloaded updates itself 0o ...how can I prevent it? |
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| 19:51.23 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: do you have unattended-upgrades installed? |
| 19:52.02 | DoctorD90 | jmcnaught, if I dont know why debian downloaded upgrades itself..I dont know for sure :P i go to check :P |
| 19:52.04 | jmcnaught | greycat: what's the problem you're having? (or just the link to your list post) |
| 19:52.24 | greycat | jmcnaught: no_root_squash no workie on jessie amd64. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00275.html is today's update. |
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| 19:53.00 | jmcnaught | greycat: i'll look but i'm not well versed in NFS |
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| 19:54.00 | greycat | If nobody replies by tomorrow I'll just open a bug report. |
| 19:54.00 | DoctorD90 | jmcnaught, nope. Trying installing it, it tries to download it :P |
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| 19:54.39 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: you can do "apt-cache policy PACKAGENAME" to see if a package is installed |
| 19:55.00 | DoctorD90 | oh thx...btw I dont thing it is installed...but i recheck |
| 19:55.18 | DoctorD90 | Installed: (none) |
| 19:55.22 | greycat | or just dpkg -l pkgname |
| 19:56.28 | DoctorD90 | greycat, un :P |
| 19:56.33 | DoctorD90 | so it is not isntalled |
| 19:56.37 | greycat | right |
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| 19:57.23 | DoctorD90 | I just runned apt-get update/upgrade some days ago, but when it asks me to upgrade (do to my internet mobile phone plan) I disagreed |
| 19:57.37 | greycat | DoctorD90: maybe google the *exact* message that you get upon logging in, where it asks you. That might be enough to track down which package is doing it. |
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| 19:57.53 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: other things that might download packages are gnome-packagekit, or maybe apper or whatever the kde one is called |
| 19:58.05 | DoctorD90 | but it has never automatically downloaded the upgrades itself 0o |
| 19:58.11 | greycat | It does indeed sound like a DE thing, if you get it upon a GUI login. |
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| 19:58.51 | DoctorD90 | greycat, unfortunatly, it happens this morning, and i have restarted pc only this evening :P so I remember only what has happened |
| 19:59.05 | DoctorD90 | yea....maybe |
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| 19:59.10 | greycat | If it's happening every day, you could check cron. |
| 19:59.13 | whlai_ | howdy everyone. I have a Debian 3.1 (Sarge) and need something that can unpack .xz |
| 19:59.15 | whlai_ | Anyone? |
| 19:59.28 | DoctorD90 | because it was yet connected when I logged in gnome |
| 19:59.31 | whlai_ | Please note that this is Sarge so the options are reduced |
| 19:59.32 | greycat | whlai_: did you try compiling xz-utils from source? |
| 19:59.41 | whlai_ | I did not. That the way to go? |
| 19:59.47 | greycat | That's where I would start. |
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| 19:59.59 | whlai_ | No issues doing so with sarge? |
| 20:00.04 | greycat | I have absolutely no idea. |
| 20:00.11 | greycat | Not a lot of sarge machines around here. |
| 20:00.15 | whlai_ | heh |
| 20:00.15 | DoctorD90 | jmcnaught, i go to check for gnome-packagekit |
| 20:00.16 | whlai_ | yeah |
| 20:00.18 | whlai_ | figures |
| 20:00.48 | DoctorD90 | jmcnaught, installed :P I go to read its manual |
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| 20:01.32 | DoctorD90 | ok...nothing about it :P |
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| 20:06.54 | DoctorD90 | jmcnaught, I cant find out how acces pacakge-kit settings -.- any idea? |
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| 20:09.22 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: not yet, i've never paid very close attention to it. its documentation on the help.gnome.org site mentions some preferences but i don't know if they're still available in the version in jessie |
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| 20:11.21 | DoctorD90 | grrr |
| 20:11.47 | DoctorD90 | because it is installed and 80mB gone are for its existence <.< |
| 20:11.59 | missmbob | hell just remove it |
| 20:12.07 | DoctorD90 | so i would like to sett it |
| 20:12.25 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: so far it's not even clear to me what starts gpk-update-viewer. removing the package is fine, but you'll also remove the gnome meta-packages |
| 20:12.25 | DoctorD90 | missmbob, before remove it, Id like to learn what it does :) |
| 20:12.58 | DoctorD90 | yea....I imaged....due to this I would like to not remove it... |
| 20:13.22 | DoctorD90 | im keeping iceweasol package because it is present in gnome metapakage -.- ... |
| 20:13.50 | jmcnaught | at this point iceweasel is a transition package that depends on firefox-esr, no reason to remove it |
| 20:14.46 | DoctorD90 | uhm...it was part of today 80mB of update :P |
| 20:15.08 | DoctorD90 | to be a transition package, and to be an update...it seems strange to me :P |
| 20:15.41 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3600 maybe you also need to do updates more frequently ;) |
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| 20:17.54 | DoctorD90 | jmcnaught, 1. im not having a real internet flat connection from starts of June...so yea...it is possible :P 2.ok, but i have yet installed firefox-esr 0o ...and it updates a transitional package? ...maybe I have to go to read again what a transition pacjage is and how it works |
| 20:18.23 | DoctorD90 | because it sounds strange to me... :P i had yet firefox-esr :D |
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| 20:19.02 | TomTomTo1 | it automatically turned into a transitional package some time ago. you didn't have to install ff-esr manually. |
| 20:19.49 | TomTomTo1 | it's only there to not break dependencies now. |
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| 20:21.04 | DoctorD90 | okok, but i switched automatically to firefox-esr some months ago :P I thougth it became a transition package in that period :P |
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| 20:25.29 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: iceweasel will probably be a transition period at least until stretch is released |
| 20:25.39 | duelle | Hi, how can I modify the crypttab file that the device is not mounted automatically but manually? |
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| 20:26.17 | DoctorD90 | Ah ok :D btw....I cant find way to start that window https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-packagekit/stable/prefs.html.en |
| 20:26.21 | DoctorD90 | grrr |
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| 20:27.09 | DoctorD90 | and I find out what happened... with Package Log, it showes me that today it upgrades some packages... |
| 20:27.17 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: it's looking like that configuration option as removed |
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| 20:27.38 | DoctorD90 | .....the only usefull stuff..removed...why? XD uff... |
| 20:27.54 | DoctorD90 | now i have to find a way to edit preferences :P |
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| 20:29.52 | DoctorD90 | dconf helps me with a search of package kit :P ...now I have to understand options :P |
| 20:30.04 | TomTomTo1 | your tongue is hanging out, mate. |
| 20:30.51 | DoctorD90 | hehe |
| 20:31.35 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: there's also /etc/PackageKit/PackageKit.conf but i haven't found where its options are documented |
| 20:32.17 | DoctorD90 | thx! i go to check |
| 20:33.20 | DoctorD90 | all commented.....hem...really usefull this config file...thx packagekit developer, every where you are |
| 20:33.48 | missmbob | i miss eazel. that's when i gave up on gnome. |
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| 20:35.03 | DoctorD90 | i meet mate....if only I'd meet it before... |
| 20:35.49 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: you could also ask in #PackageKit how to disable automatic downloads. if you get an answer i'd be curious what it was |
| 20:36.08 | DoctorD90 | ?? exist that channel?? I go! |
| 20:36.50 | jmcnaught | https://www.freedesktop.org/software/PackageKit/pk-help.html says it exists, i didn't actually check :P |
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| 20:39.35 | DoctorD90 | ye...exists! im waiting reply ^^ i will let you know! thx jmcnaught and all other too! |
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| 20:40.55 | Fr_Dae | evrybody ? what is you actual DE please ? ( echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ) |
| 20:41.15 | greycat | Fr_Dae: a blank line. |
| 20:41.31 | TomTomTo1 | i3 |
| 20:42.19 | missmbob | Fr_Dae: no, not everybody. dont has several hundred people to post at the same time. are you crazy? |
| 20:43.00 | DoctorD90 | ..... |
| 20:43.13 | DoctorD90 | jmcnaught, open dconf please. Search for update. |
| 20:43.26 | Fr_Dae | i just want what is your DE |
| 20:43.27 | Fr_Dae | just |
| 20:43.33 | DoctorD90 | or faster= org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.updates |
| 20:43.34 | Fr_Dae | i'm on LXDE but i need ask |
| 20:43.35 | DoctorD90 | -.- |
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| 20:44.09 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: you might be waiting a while in that channel. in dconf at org.gnome.packagekit i don't see anything about downloading |
| 20:44.37 | DoctorD90 | jmcnaught, search for org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.updates |
| 20:45.10 | hiya | How to add additional IP to a server? |
| 20:45.18 | hiya | Should i add that IP to the same eth0 interface? |
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| 20:45.39 | missmbob | !ip alias |
| 20:45.39 | dpkg | IP aliasing is when you establish multiple network interfaces on the same network card, generally the aliases are eth0:1, eth0:2, etc. Ask me about <interfaces>. http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/alias.txt |
| 20:45.43 | missmbob | you can. |
| 20:46.18 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: oh there it is! there's also a "connection-use-mobile" option, not sure how that works. I wonder if this is still exposed in a GUI somewhere or only dconf at this point |
| 20:46.59 | ProfessorKaos64 | is there any known irc channel that helps with debugging C? |
| 20:47.06 | greycat | ##c |
| 20:47.14 | greycat | But you said makefiles earlier. Did you really mean makefiles? |
| 20:47.16 | jmcnaught | as much as i love gnome, this might be the last release of debian that i can use it with.. i tried gnome in stretch for a bit and they might've finally removed too much configurability for me |
| 20:47.16 | DoctorD90 | only dconf I think..btw, im using android phone as wifi router, so for pc, is a "normal" wifi connectin :P |
| 20:47.23 | greycat | If it's makefiles, then ##workingset |
| 20:47.33 | missmbob | jmcnaught: finally. welcome |
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| 20:47.53 | ProfessorKaos64 | greycat, what I can tell, via my new favorite tool, splint, is the search path is being ignored when running dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:48.05 | ProfessorKaos64 | or not being set right |
| 20:48.27 | greycat | doesn't sound like C, then. |
| 20:48.47 | ProfessorKaos64 | so ##workingset would be ideal? |
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| 20:49.05 | DoctorD90 | missmbob, Id love gnome2. I dont fully loves gnome3... |
| 20:49.21 | hiya | missmbob, how do you add more IP to the same interface? I am using Debian 8 |
| 20:49.55 | DoctorD90 | I dont switch to not find me with thousand of packages unusable... |
| 20:49.55 | missmbob | hiya: what i had the bot tell you was how. you use eth0:1 instead of eth0, for example. so now eth0 has two |
| 20:50.05 | jmcnaught | i've loved gnome 3.4 and 3.14.. 3.18 (when i tried stretch) had a terrible systray implementation |
| 20:50.06 | DoctorD90 | many configurations and other stuff not well installed... |
| 20:50.13 | DoctorD90 | xD |
| 20:50.36 | missmbob | hiya: it has two because eth0 is one ip and eth0:1 is a second. get it? |
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| 20:53.29 | hiya | missmbob, but then if I setup it like that then how do I refer to this new interface in iptables? |
| 20:53.37 | hiya | would it be eth0:1 or eth0 only? |
| 20:53.55 | missmbob | hiya: eth0:1 |
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| 20:55.06 | jasabella | hi |
| 20:55.50 | jasabella | i dont know if this is a problem with the mirror i'm using but i'm getting a hash sum mismatch during package list update of testing |
| 20:56.06 | missmbob | !tell jasabella about debian-next |
| 20:56.35 | hiya | missmbob, you sure? iptables respect eth0:1 as independent interface? |
| 20:56.42 | jasabella | ta |
| 20:56.49 | DoctorD90 | !tell DoctorD90 about debian-next |
| 20:57.24 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: you can also /msg dpkg |
| 20:57.28 | missmbob | hiya: you can ask their home at #netfilter if you want |
| 20:57.59 | DoctorD90 | :P so many function that I never remember sorry |
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| 21:02.20 | mo1991reg | does anyone know how I get accepted to the Debian users group on linked In? Sent an invite months ago but no response. Been Debian user for 20 years. |
| 21:03.20 | mo1991reg | or pretty close, At least since woody :) |
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| 21:07.13 | pugfantus | mo1991reg: I've still got my Debian 2.1 discs from CheapBytes |
| 21:08.01 | DoctorD90 | guys, yesterday I installed debian buzz on virtual box, but i get some trouble with virtualbox about file dimension/type. May I suggest to add a little script to give possibility to other to install buzz on virtualbox without issues? |
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| 21:09.12 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: nobody will be changing anything in buzz at this point, but you could document how you got it to work on your blog or in a forum somewhere so that others can figure it out too |
| 21:09.58 | pugfantus | exactly, but awesome work! |
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| 21:10.17 | DoctorD90 | jmcnaught, i would mean just add some lines on INSTALL file :P but ok :D |
| 21:10.35 | DoctorD90 | I want an original installation disk me too !!! |
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| 21:11.26 | OrbsTheorem | tmux bind-key -T prefix 'P' list-buffers \; command-prompt -I "buffer00" "paste-buffer -b '%%' \; send-keys 'Enter'" |
| 21:11.32 | OrbsTheorem | usefull ^^ |
| 21:11.42 | awal1 | How to make long outputs fit x terminal emulators ? |
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| 21:13.23 | awal1 | If i run , say, dpkg --get-selections , the output is s long and shift + up dont get me to the beginning . So I ususally use less or > x file. Any othe ralternative? |
| 21:14.12 | awal1 | I have that issue almost when in tty's |
| 21:14.39 | Vardex | Since yesterday I got an error "Network error: Software caused connection abort" with PuTTY while trying to connect to my server throught ssh anyone know what can I do? |
| 21:14.47 | TomTomTo1 | you can probably increase the scrollback in whatever terminal emulator you are using |
| 21:15.28 | awal1 | if I run aptitude install gnome kde-full, hundreds of libs/recommends are installed and can't see all the output... |
| 21:15.46 | jmcnaught | awal1: running screen and using its scrollback buffer is another option.. or just use a pager like less |
| 21:16.00 | awal1 | TomTomTo1, ok, will check scrollback stuff in my terminals settings |
| 21:16.59 | awal1 | jmcnaught, if just searching stuff , less is usefull right, almost problematic when installing big metapkgs in tty |
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| 21:18.28 | awal1 | well, I wonder if one can use less for installs too; never tried |
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| 21:18.31 | SerajewelKS | awal1: "script" can be useful as well |
| 21:18.32 | jmcnaught | awal1: i prefer screen 'C-A ]' to using shift+pgup at this point |
| 21:18.44 | SerajewelKS | jmcnaught: you too, eh? |
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| 21:19.50 | jmcnaught | SerajewelKS: yeah. script is also a good suggestion, i usually only use that for major release dist-upgrades though |
| 21:21.07 | awal1 | Serajewelks, right I use script ; but I almost use it when I install big pkg for test knowing that probably I'll remove it later. so for avoid searching which recommends /suggests/deps that big pkg installed (remove them all also) I find script very helpful |
| 21:21.32 | awal1 | jmcnaught, ok, I will check screen also |
| 21:21.59 | awal1 | used it a few times but never had a free time for learn about it heavily |
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| 21:22.42 | jmcnaught | awal1: i've gotten a lot of mileage out of screen only knowing some of the basics, i think i've barely scratched the surface :) |
| 21:23.23 | awal1 | jmcnaught, :) I guess I'll would try to know just the basics also :) |
| 21:23.35 | awal1 | i will try ^ |
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| 21:23.51 | awal1 | computing is not my job |
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| 21:26.11 | awal1 | My world (job) is teaching human sciences (languages, history ...) |
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| 21:29.26 | DoctorD90 | guys, I would read some floppy 5.25" ..do you know any usb reader for that format? |
| 21:30.59 | epsilon | there are, just google |
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| 21:33.07 | shellclear | hi guys, I have a question about linux defragmentation |
| 21:33.33 | jmcnaught | shellclear: you may proceed |
| 21:33.36 | DoctorD90 | only find out some expensve board that translate signal, and they can just read perfect floppy..if a little damaged, it is useless |
| 21:33.50 | shellclear | it's necessary defrag filesystems like ext3 or reiserfs |
| 21:34.00 | shellclear | ? |
| 21:34.02 | missmbob | shellclear: no |
| 21:34.11 | DoctorD90 | from my knowledge, defragmention under linux doesnt exist..only under windows |
| 21:34.20 | DoctorD90 | ok, +1 to my linux knowledge |
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| 21:35.14 | shellclear | missmbob: My filesystem show me a message, it said something like (blocks non-contiguos, %2 frag) |
| 21:35.27 | shellclear | is it some problem? |
| 21:35.29 | epsilon | shellclear: ignore it |
| 21:35.37 | sypher | Certain filesystems do have a defragmentation utility, but I've never needed to actually use them. |
| 21:35.49 | greycat | 2% fragmentation is pefectly reasonable |
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| 21:36.46 | shellclear | epsilon and missmbob , thank you! |
| 21:36.47 | shellclear | :D |
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| 21:37.10 | shellclear | do you know some docs about this subject? |
| 21:37.51 | shellclear | thank you greycat |
| 21:38.15 | shellclear | I'll google |
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| 21:51.34 | theviajerock | Hi |
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| 21:52.06 | mass | hi2 |
| 21:52.27 | ellie2 | Hi, I'm having problems logging in locally on both tty1 and X |
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| 21:53.07 | ellie2 | The system hangs or times-out and won't log in. This also happens if the screen is 'locked' by screensaver |
| 21:53.09 | theviajerock | I'm learning LXC, can somebody help me please? I really don't know how to configure the networking... I tried some guides, but doesn't work. |
| 21:53.22 | mass | click ctrl+alt+F1 |
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| 21:54.03 | ellie2 | It seems the system cannot authenticate me, HOWEVER - I can still log in on ttyS0 (serial port) just fine. When I do this, it also fixes the local login problem too. |
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| 21:57.05 | ellie2 | It doesn't seem to be all the time. I just 'locked' my screend with ctrl-alt-L (in MATE), then typed my password and it unlocked fine. Other times it hangs and eventually says 'timeout' |
| 21:57.40 | ellie2 | ...yet it works fine as SOON as I log in on ttyS0 serial port |
| 21:57.55 | mass | its no problem |
| 21:58.16 | ellie2 | ...even if I log back out of ttyS0 that is. It seems the act of logging in on ttyS0 fixes something. |
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| 21:59.52 | mass | if says timeout try again |
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| 22:00.51 | mass | <ellie2> |
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| 22:01.04 | ellie2 | I do try again, but it just doesn't work. I use ctrl-alt-F1 to try and login instead, but even that doesn't work - it seems to start the login, but bash won't launch, just blank. |
| 22:01.41 | ellie2 | Yet as SOON as I login in ttyS0, it instantly fixes it? |
| 22:01.56 | mass | your use debian?!!! |
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| 22:02.42 | xyxxy | whenever i type service xrdp start, i get the following error message: Failed to start xrdp.service: Unit xrdp.service is masked. <-- what does this mean? |
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| 22:05.14 | mass | <xyxxy> : type |
| 22:06.28 | xyxxy | ? |
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| 22:07.45 | PryMar56 | xyxxy, systemctl unmask xrdp.service |
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| 22:10.56 | jmcnaught | theviajerock: what did you try? what do you want to accomplish? |
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| 22:13.13 | jmcnaught | theviajerock: https://wiki.debian.org/LXC#Setup_networked_containers of these three options i am currently using the libvirt network. |
| 22:15.23 | wsky | can someone tell me how to use multithreading during building a kernel package? |
| 22:15.50 | wsky | it uses multiple threads during the kernel build process just fine but when it gets to builting the deb package it uses just one |
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| 22:17.34 | missmbob | wsky: the main thing is really to run ccache. next time you compile it'll fly |
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| 22:18.36 | wsky | i can see that ccache speeds up the build only after it has been built before |
| 22:18.46 | wsky | it's not what i was looking for |
| 22:19.02 | wsky | i'm looking for how to use many threads to build a deb |
| 22:19.05 | wsky | and is it even possible |
| 22:21.56 | missmbob | wsky: you should be able to use -j4 (or however many you want) |
| 22:23.30 | wsky | missmbob: why would i use -j4? |
| 22:23.37 | wsky | it would onlyu slow the process down |
| 22:23.51 | wsky | -j3 is most optimal for the system of mine |
| 22:24.04 | wsky | but that's not an issue |
| 22:24.14 | wsky | the issue is that it uses only one thread to build the deb |
| 22:25.56 | missmbob | wsky: i did say whatever you wanted. why do you think -j doesn't do it? make -j3 deb-pkg |
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| 22:28.23 | wsky | missmbob: buddy |
| 22:28.46 | wsky | missmbob: -j3 builds the kernel with 3 threads but NOT THE FSKING DEB PACKAGE |
| 22:29.17 | wsky | the deb package buiding process uses only _ONE_ thread |
| 22:29.30 | wsky | i want it to use _MORE_ |
| 22:29.40 | missmbob | wsky: no, buddy. make -j3 deb-pkg builds the DEB PACKAGE. read the kernel handbook. it's the new way to do it. replaced make-kpkg which i assume is what you're using. |
| 22:30.03 | missmbob | wsky: https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-building |
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| 22:30.10 | wsky | missmbob: you're landing on my ignore list |
| 22:30.22 | missmbob | i've never been happier |
| 22:30.37 | wsky | is here anyone that has a clie? |
| 22:30.42 | wsky | clue. |
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| 22:33.37 | jmcnaught | wsky: you're not using the make deb-pkg method? |
| 22:34.09 | missmbob | i linked him to the doc. *shrug* |
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| 22:35.25 | M-alex_mayorga | wsky (IRC): I always wanted to have a clie, fine Palm PDA from Sony =) |
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| 22:40.14 | xyxxy | how come whenever i attempt to connect to my linux machine via x2go, i get the following error message, "Connection failed. mesg: ttyname failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"? |
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| 22:50.04 | M4GNV5 | ok so i want to install both gnome-keyring:amd64 and gnome-keyring:i386 however that is only supported since version 3.20 (see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=686843). Im currently on jessie stable. What would be the easiest way to install both the 32bit and the 64bit version? Currently installed is gnome-keyring:amd64 3.14 |
| 22:50.05 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/686843 in src:gnome-keyring (closed, patch): «gnome-keyring: please convert to multiarch»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2012-09-06; last modified: 2016-06-01. |
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| 22:56.22 | jmcnaught | M4GNV5: waiting for stretch might be the best course of action. you could also try recompiling the packages with the patch from that bug, but you would need to repeat this every time the packages are updated |
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| 23:02.31 | wsky | jmcnaught: i am using deb-pkg |
| 23:02.45 | wsky | jmcnaught: it's just that it uses just one thread during buiding the debian package |
| 23:02.57 | wsky | it build the kernel with 3 threads just fine but not the package |
| 23:03.21 | kamild1996 | Hey, I realized that my Debian's desktop background will sometimes randomly turn black. The desktop is still fully functional but icon labels are invisible. What can I try? |
| 23:03.34 | kamild1996 | Using LXDE btw |
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| 23:05.22 | theviajerock | jmcnaught Thank you, and sorry I was not here. |
| 23:05.48 | theviajerock | I want to install multiple things on the containers... Like a webserver, a database server in another and then connect it. |
| 23:05.49 | jmcnaught | wsky: can those steps be run in parallel? you're talking about when it's making the .deb archive. storage speed is also probably the bottleneck here, not CPU performance |
| 23:05.53 | theviajerock | Just for learn. |
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| 23:06.07 | theviajerock | I'm reading the link that you sent. |
| 23:06.31 | jmcnaught | theviajerock: do the containers need to be accessible by other computers on your LAN, or is just your computer good enough? |
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| 23:09.10 | theviajerock | Just with my computer... In fact, I want to do this as a practice and then I want to buy a VPS.... I read something, I can use through NAT, with iptables I can gave access to them from my host-computer. |
| 23:09.41 | theviajerock | But I am stuck in the part where I have to gave network to the containers... I can't get it. |
| 23:09.45 | theviajerock | Sorry for my english by the way. |
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| 23:10.25 | jmcnaught | theviajerock: your english is fine. the https://wiki.debian.org/LXC/LibVirtDefaultNetwork method is pretty simple and the containers will only be accessible from the host computer |
| 23:11.48 | theviajerock | jmcnaught: Thank you, I will read right now. |
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| 23:17.08 | M4GNV5 | jmcnaught, so i tried creating gnome-keyring from source but of course it complains "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 9) ..." im wondering though, what would happen if i just add sid to my sources.list and install it from there? Can i set it up to use everything from jessie but this package and its childred from sid? |
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| 23:17.59 | kamild1996 | Hmm... Anyone here using an NVidia GPU? For desktop usage only, which one is better? Nvidia's proprietary driver or the open-source one (it's called Noveau or sth like that)? |
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| 23:18.30 | jmcnaught | M4GNV5: there are ways to backport packages from sid ('/msg dpkg ssb' for one method) but for something that is so tightly integrated with the rest of gnome, i don't know how successful you will be doing that |
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| 23:19.17 | jmcnaught | M4GNV5: it is absolutely unsafe to install binary packages from testing or unstable on a stable system |
| 23:19.59 | jmcnaught | kamild1996: just use nouveau (which debian installs and uses by default) |
| 23:21.14 | xaa | hi |
| 23:21.28 | xaa | could you telle me how to force rmdir with ncftp ? |
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| 23:21.51 | kamild1996 | Thanks jmcnaught but one more thing. Will I be running the latest version of Nouveau already, or can I be running a latest version by adding a repo (like AMD's mesa and padoka's/oibaf's repos)? |
| 23:23.11 | jmcnaught | kamild1996: with debian it's usually best not to use third party repos. On Jessie you'll have the version of nouveau that Jessie was released with. There might be a newer version of nouveau in jessie-backports. There is a newer mesa in backports. |
| 23:23.24 | jmcnaught | kamild1996: anyways why do you need that stuff for regular desktop use? |
| 23:24.37 | jmcnaught | M4GNV5: kamild1996: both of you should read https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 23:24.49 | kamild1996 | jmcnaught: on AMD/Intel powered configurations, I was always upgrading to 3rd party repos because they were solving some reoccuring problems I've had (like disappearing cursor after suspend, etc). I was wondering if that's a thing for NVidia too. |
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| 23:26.23 | kamild1996 | Also what's a good way to remove NVidia's driver and bring back Nouveau? Will this work? https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/11/msg00605.html |
| 23:26.35 | jmcnaught | kamild1996: from what i understand for both nouveau and radeon while they might be slower, they integrate much better with the rest of the software in Debian than the nvidia and fglrx drivers do. My computer has an intel gpu though |
| 23:26.37 | wsky | jmcnaught: the cpu performance IS the bottleneck |
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| 23:26.56 | wsky | jmcnaught: i use system monitors |
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| 23:27.04 | wsky | i can see what's happenning |
| 23:28.19 | jmcnaught | wsky: then show us, and what/how you're doing what you're doing. so far we've had to ask follow-ups because you don't provide info, and you seem to just get impatient with people that are trying to help |
| 23:28.48 | wsky | what do you need to know more |
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| 23:29.17 | jmcnaught | kamild1996: how did you install the nvidia driver? using the packages provided by Debian, third party packages, OEM installer script? |
| 23:29.18 | wsky | i told you, the kernel builds with the number of threads i chose just fine, on hte other hand the deb packages use just _ONE_ thread |
| 23:29.28 | wsky | and irun make -j3 deb-pkg |
| 23:30.09 | kamild1996 | There's a problem to be honest, jmcnaught. I don't remember since it was a long time ago. Although I see a file named "NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-340.76.run" in my Downloads folder, so probably OEM installer script. |
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| 23:31.50 | jmcnaught | kamild1996: that was a mistake. when you install that way it just sprays files all over your system, and apt/dpkg can't remove them for you. There is a nvidia-installer-cleanup package that you can use |
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| 23:32.50 | jmcnaught | kamild1996: the other steps involved in switching from nvidia to nouveau are generally to remove your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/nvidiasomething), and to remove the file in /etc/modprobe.d/ that blacklists nouveau, then reboot |
| 23:33.11 | jmcnaught | wsky: and so what is the process that is CPU bound? |
| 23:33.43 | kamild1996 | jmcnaught: When it comes to Linux, I'm all about mistakes :/ So should I use the package, remove the mentioned files, reboot and I should have nouveau running? |
| 23:34.29 | wsky | jmcnaught: i've vuilt it already i'd have to do that again in order to see |
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| 23:34.42 | wsky | built* |
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| 23:35.45 | jmcnaught | wsky: find out what that process is, look to see if it can be used in parallel. |
| 23:35.54 | wsky | ok |
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| 23:41.11 | kroSoft | w LtL |
| 23:41.18 | kroSoft | how are LtL |
| 23:41.19 | kroSoft | here |
| 23:41.23 | kroSoft | :D |
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| 23:52.05 | M4GNV5 | jmcnaught, ^ kek "Don't hit <enter> every few words it gets hard to follow." |
| 23:52.50 | M4GNV5 | ahh well i guess i install a vm to do my 32 bit wine stuff then |
| 23:53.09 | jmcnaught | M4GNV5: heh yeah, when there are multiple discussions happening at once that's very true |
| 23:53.10 | M4GNV5 | ive heared that virtualbox is not free software anymore? |
| 23:53.55 | jmcnaught | M4GNV5: virtualbox is in contrib in Debian, which is where free software that needs non-free software goes.. vbox needs something from non-free to be built i think |
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