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| 00:05.31 | zumba_addict | btw, the debian on virtualbox rocks! Even if I'm on graphics, it's so friggin fast. My ubuntu on virtualbox sucks! It's slow |
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| 00:30.27 | drjuls | greetings! how do I smooth the fonts on Debian 8.5? |
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| 00:32.20 | jaggz | I don't see it open (and am trying to run an X program on a remote system, displayed locally) |
| 00:32.50 | jaggz | I already did xhost +remoteip, and on the remote system I set DISPLAY to localip:0 |
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| 01:32.23 | backnforth | hi, I recently installed Debian without mirrors and I'm trying to add mirrors but my mirrors keep giving me errors saying I'm missing a package file. |
| 01:32.52 | backnforth | I tried looking into the repos directory and there is no package file but there is package.xz and .gz |
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| 01:39.25 | firestorm | hey guys |
| 01:39.45 | firestorm | how do i get an alias ip to be my primary (and preferably only) ip |
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| 01:44.27 | abrotman | addrlabel maybe |
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| 01:55.06 | fr1tz1 | Hey guys, is it possible to put the debain installer on a partition of a hard drive and have it install to the rest of the drive in the case I dont have a usb? or is there an easyer way to go about that? |
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| 01:58.04 | kzimmermann | why not a use CD or DVD? |
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| 02:00.26 | dvs | so 2000s |
| 02:00.36 | sikun | heh |
| 02:00.42 | fr1tz1 | I want to be able to just put the drive in and be good to go |
| 02:01.00 | sikun | hides the stack of CDs & DVDs on his desk... |
| 02:01.03 | fr1tz1 | I dont have an optical drive and booting from external media wouldnt be possible either |
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| 02:02.23 | Seb | I have 'Acquire::PDiffs "false";' in my /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/03pdiffs, same one I've used for ages, but recently apt-get insists on getting those pdiffs again |
| 02:02.27 | Seb | what am I missing ? |
| 02:02.39 | sikun | kzimmermann, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/stable/ |
| 02:03.26 | sikun | read the win32-loader.txt file first |
| 02:04.09 | kzimmermann | I still carry a few live CDs with me all the time... but maybe I'm old fashioned :P |
| 02:04.50 | kzimmermann | thanks for the link though, sikun |
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| 02:14.09 | deb | meloc, if apt is related to apt debian version, i guess its okay |
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| 04:16.34 | Zavec | Hi guys. I'm trying to install debian through netinstall, booting from a usb, but I'm missing a piece of firmware (brcmfmac436-2-pcie.bin). I've downloaded that file and put it on another usb, but the installer isn't finding it when I get to the option of "Load missing firmware from removable media." The file is currently just on the root of the USB. Is there something I'm missing? |
| 04:17.27 | Zavec | I've also tried putting it in a folder called brcm, because the prompt says the firmware I'm missing is brcm/brcmfmac43602-pcie.bin |
| 04:17.57 | Raed|Laptop | There are non-free images you can use, that have non-free firmware already packaged onto it. |
| 04:18.04 | Raed|Laptop | is the usb mounted? |
| 04:19.27 | Zavec | Ah, that's a good point. I don't think I saw an option to get to a shell to mount it before I got this prompt, I'll reboot and check again |
| 04:20.40 | Raed|Laptop | You can get a shell by pressing ctrl+alt+f1-f7 |
| 04:20.53 | Raed|Laptop | each is a different shell, one will be the installer |
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| 04:22.43 | jmcnaught | Zavec: this chapter of the install manual shows how to deal with missing firmwares: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 04:23.03 | reev | jmcnaught: hii, I pinged you yesterday |
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| 04:24.09 | jmcnaught | Zavec: the firmware you need is probably in the firmware-brcm80211 package, the page i linked to above has links to a tarball with all the firmware packages that are distributable, and also the unofficial non-free netinst image that has those firmwares already on it |
| 04:24.13 | jmcnaught | reev: hey |
| 04:24.40 | rklopfer | hello. i have a new thinkpad t460 in the mail and i wanted to install debian with a relatively minimal i3wm set up. is that _relatively_ easy? i prefer not to spend 24 hours getting the system running. |
| 04:24.55 | rklopfer | or should I just get ubuntu and apt install i3? |
| 04:25.31 | reev | jmcnaught: anacron is running fine as you have told me to configure on all machines but one machine is creating problem |
| 04:25.59 | reev | gimme one sec to explain |
| 04:26.43 | Zavec | jmcnaught: I downloaded mine from elsewhere, I'll try the one from that tarball and see if that does it. Will likely do that tomorrow though, as I'm exhausted and have work in the morning. Thank you! |
| 04:27.00 | Zavec | Raed: Good to know, thank you! |
| 04:27.36 | jmcnaught | rklopfer: setting up i3wm is easy on Debian. really new hardware can sometimes require extra work to get it functional on Debian stable. You might need to use kernel and video drivers from jessie-backports |
| 04:27.52 | Raed|Laptop | Zavec: No problem! |
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| 04:28.29 | jmcnaught | rklopfer: in particular some computers with NVMe bus for SSD require a workaround during the installer to be able to boot properly |
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| 04:29.46 | jmcnaught | Zavec: yeah try using the method documented in the install manual. Note that some broadcom cards require firmwares that are not distributable.. for those it's often easier to install with an ethernet cable at first |
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| 04:31.04 | Zavec | jmcnaught: That was my first thought, but this is a new dell xps and doesn't seem to have an ethernet port. I did find the bin file online, I don't see that specific file in the tarball here though |
| 04:31.24 | Zavec | Unless brcm80211 is interchangeable with brcmfmac43602 |
| 04:32.00 | jmcnaught | Zavec: firmware-brcm80211 is a package with dozens of .bin files in it |
| 04:32.25 | Zavec | ah, that makes sense. I'll give that a shot then. Thanks! |
| 04:32.37 | reev | jmcnaught : as all machines are configured to run anacron at midnight, but one machines ends up powered off before midnight and it wakes up in the morning and the issue is when machines boots up it didn't run the anacron |
| 04:33.09 | jmcnaught | reev: it is a normal boot and not a wake from hibernate/suspend? |
| 04:33.26 | reev | yes it is normal boot |
| 04:33.53 | jmcnaught | reev: well if this machine is always turned off before midnight, you could have just that one machine run anacron at some other time. |
| 04:34.05 | rklopfer | jmcnaught, thanks! i am going through a dry run in a VM now... I will look out for SSD issues. I'm not sure if the one i'm getting has an NVMe bus or not (actually i don't even know what that is) |
| 04:34.43 | reev | jmcnaught what if i left it at 7:30 as default set ?? |
| 04:35.06 | reev | remove the midnight entry |
| 04:35.24 | Zavec | jmcnaught: Would I still have to mount the usb with that file on it? I can't seem to mount it from the shell I get with ctrl+alt+f2, it tells me no such file or directory |
| 04:36.09 | jmcnaught | reev: however anacron should be running at boot, you could use "update-rc.d anacron enable" (or "systemctl enable anacron") |
| 04:36.44 | jmcnaught | reev: if it's fine for this one machine to run anacron at 7:30 then i would simply restore /etc/cron.d/anacron to its original state |
| 04:37.44 | reev | jmcnaught: hmm okay I will try it |
| 04:38.07 | jmcnaught | Zavec: i think the installer will mount a FAT filesystem on the stick and look for firmware packages on it. or just try the ISO with the firmwares already on it |
| 04:38.35 | jmcnaught | rklopfer: NVMe is a new alternative to SATA that is better suited to SSDs |
| 04:39.04 | Disconsented | jmcnaught> NVME replaces AHCI |
| 04:39.37 | jmcnaught | but i think jessie's stock kernel has problems using it, so some people have needed to install a newer kernel from jessie-backports while still in the installer before booting into the new system |
| 04:39.41 | jmcnaught | Disconsented: oh okay |
| 04:40.51 | reev | jmcnaught: one more thing , I have debian router configured for my network I want to log URL's that are visted per IP's basis how can i do this |
| 04:40.58 | rklopfer | jmcnaught soooo... does that mean i should use stretch? |
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| 04:41.28 | Zavec | jmcnaught: Two more questions, sorry. Should I leave the file in the .deb, or extract that and put just the .bin on the usb? And, failing that, where on the iso should I put the firmware? Where it's expecting it in /lib/firmware? Or perhaps where the prompt is specifying, in brcm/brcm(...).bin (assuming that means /brcm/brcm(...).bin, but I could be wrong)? |
| 04:42.01 | jmcnaught | rklopfer: if you can get it working on jessie with a couple of newer packages from backports then that is what i would do. stretch is newer, but it's not done yet and stuff is still changing in it. |
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| 04:43.08 | jmcnaught | reev: i'm not sure the best software to use for that. it might simply involve making some netfilter rules to log the IP addresses, or maybe using an HTTP proxy would be better |
| 04:43.56 | reev | jmcnaught okay thanks btw |
| 04:44.18 | jmcnaught | Zavec: the documentation i linked you to is pretty clear that you put .debs or loose firmware files on the USB's top directory or in /firmware. Consider using the non-free ISO linked in that chapter of the install manual instead |
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| 04:45.07 | Zavec | Ah, I totally missed that sentence, sorry. I think that's my queue to go to sleep |
| 04:45.12 | Zavec | I'll try this all again tomorrow |
| 04:45.17 | jmcnaught | reev: you're welcome. one day you'll get to do this with systemd timer units instead ;) |
| 04:47.03 | reev | jmcnaught: certainly mate :) |
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| 04:49.46 | rklopfer | thanks jmcnaught ! I will give it a try with jessie. Hopefully, it just works.. :) out of curiosity what odds would you put on jessie "just working"? |
| 04:50.34 | jmcnaught | rklopfer: i don't know, linux always being a bit behind on hardware support is one of the reasons i usually buy used laptops. i'm using a thinkpad x220 |
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| 04:50.59 | rhizome | rklopfer: i have a 2015 t450s and it was as easy as anything |
| 04:51.38 | rklopfer | rhizome, did you install gnome desktop? |
| 04:51.43 | rhizome | xfce |
| 04:51.45 | jmcnaught | rklopfer: if you run into problems you can get help here |
| 04:51.56 | rhizome | i think i have i3 too, but i never use it |
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| 04:52.11 | rhizome | (installed) |
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| 04:52.43 | rklopfer | jmcnaught, thanks! i'm having flashbacks to installing gentoo ... |
| 04:53.09 | rklopfer | i'm trying to avoid that experience |
| 04:53.47 | rklopfer | rhizome, okay. maybe i'll do the same. i normally use xfce too. but, i've been captivated by i3 recently |
| 04:54.20 | rhizome | it'll work fine either way |
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| 04:57.15 | rklopfer | excellent. thanks for the reassurance :) |
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| 06:10.29 | deepy | Hi, this morning I got an odd case where it couldn't find my system when I tried to boot, got told by a friend that it was becuase I had lost lvm2 at some point so I reinstalled it. He's not asleep and I'm stuck at a boot loop of 'unlocking sda6_crypt' and then 'Reading all physical volumes. No volume groups found' seemingly forever |
| 06:13.23 | deepy | I'm regretting having luks in the first place now |
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| 06:19.01 | jmcnaught | deepy: what does "couldn't find my system" mean? |
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| 06:20.11 | haba713 | hi! /var/log/syslog is filled with "imuxsock begins to drop messages from pid 1562 due to rate-limiting". |
| 06:20.12 | haba713 | 1562 seems to be "/usr/sbin/snmpd -Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u snmp -g snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid". this happens on all our debian virtuals. |
| 06:20.21 | haba713 | what's the reason? |
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| 06:24.49 | jmcnaught | haba713: what are the syslog entries from this process saying before it gets rate-limited? |
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| 06:27.28 | haba713 | jmcnaught: "Connection from UDP: [xxx]:42789->[yyy]" |
| 06:27.50 | haba713 | xxx is our zenoss virtual |
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| 06:28.32 | jmcnaught | haba713: sounds like you need to configure snmpd to be less verbose, but i don't know snmpd at all |
| 06:30.08 | haba713 | jmcnaught: thanks for helping. zenoss seems to open 100-200 snmp connections in a second. |
| 06:30.52 | haba713 | must find out if it's normal or not |
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| 07:01.00 | nuge | hey guys - have a fresh install of debian 8.5 and seem to be running into some wierdness getting mysql accessible from external ips. Want to be sure that its not a port being opened incorrectly - hoping someone can confirm i've got this right. I've opened the port by running iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s [myPublicIp] --dport 3306 -j ACCEPT - is that correct? or do i have to things differently from Debian vs say ubuntu? |
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| 07:42.11 | yubo | sorry, how can i see others's speaking |
| 07:42.47 | jmcnaught | yubo: nobody is speaking |
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| 07:47.37 | jmcnaught | yubo: it is quiet because nobody who uses IRC for Debian support is asking questions here right now. In this channel please don't /msg people. |
| 07:50.54 | yubo | ok, maybe i got it,i apologize it |
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| 07:53.17 | haba713 | jmcnaught: snmpd syslog flood seems to be quite a common problem. i decided to follow this answer http://serverfault.com/a/311036 |
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| 08:01.07 | dionysus69 | how do I use gpg to encrypt file send it to someone else and let them decrypt it with password? |
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| 08:06.04 | bibble | dionysus69: you need to have their key, and they have yours. Then, "gpg -stear <name>", and type message. A single '.' on a line ends typing. |
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| 08:07.05 | gebruiker | what kernel is best nowadays for desktop ? Pf kernel... liquorix ? |
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| 08:09.13 | ikonia | gebruiker: you've asked that in #ubuntu #debian #gentoo - look at what your distro provides |
| 08:09.14 | babilen | dionysus69: You get their public key, encrypt the file and send it to them. They can then decrypt it with their private key. |
| 08:09.20 | ikonia | the "standard" will serve you best |
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| 08:13.34 | gebruiker | ikonia, running windows and wanted to the right answer for me the fastest |
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| 08:14.59 | ikonia | that makes no sense |
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| 08:15.07 | ikonia | what has "running windows" got to do with anything |
| 08:15.21 | ikonia | and asking in 3 channels with 3 quite different distros won't get you "the right answer" |
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| 08:16.55 | gebruiker | ikonia, who is judging the answer ? |
| 08:17.10 | ikonia | I have no idea, |
| 08:17.30 | gebruiker | then how do you know it is wrong? |
| 08:17.59 | ikonia | because the question you ask doesn't make sense and tha snwer won't reflect that |
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| 08:18.52 | ikonia | whatever..... |
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| 09:05.19 | dionysus69 | thanks babilen bibble I found a symmetric approach simpler with password :D :) gpg -c filename |
| 09:05.48 | babilen | k |
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| 09:10.58 | barbone | hi |
| 09:11.18 | barbone | how can I set the framebuffer geometry for consoles at boot time? |
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| 09:12.32 | barbone | I'm running debian jessie |
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| 09:22.34 | rdz | is it possible to check if a tcp port of a remote host is open without actually establishing a connection? |
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| 09:22.58 | rdz | i imagine something like not fully completing the hand-shake |
| 09:23.04 | spektrum_ | rdz: nmap |
| 09:23.10 | rdz | spektrum_, thanks |
| 09:23.11 | SynrG | "stealth" scan |
| 09:23.17 | rdz | SynrG, thanks |
| 09:23.24 | SynrG | (using nmap, of course) |
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| 09:33.28 | barbone | hi |
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| 09:41.08 | mernilio | Im banned :-( |
| 09:41.35 | mernilio | from your offtopic channel :-( |
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| 09:41.41 | themill | and here too |
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| 09:41.47 | jelly | noooo |
| 09:41.52 | jelly | -_- |
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| 09:42.45 | barbone | lol |
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| 09:45.18 | SynrG | barbone: i think that's done with the video= boot parameter. |
| 09:45.54 | barbone | SynrG: :( |
| 09:46.36 | barbone | I was able to boot with grub on framebuffer, but then during boot a script changed the resolution |
| 09:46.41 | themill | Or you can do it through console-setup, can't you? |
| 09:48.12 | barbone | dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 09:50.06 | barbone | console-setup seems to be fonts related |
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| 09:50.54 | themill | oh, you're looking for fb size stuff |
| 09:51.02 | barbone | yes |
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| 09:51.39 | SynrG | possibly console-setup is the "script [that] changed the resolution" (via fbset?) |
| 09:51.59 | SynrG | man page says "Set VIDEOMODE to an empty string to avoid setting up the video mode." |
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| 09:52.36 | barbone | SynrG: I read that, but the conf file is under /etc/console-tools/conf |
| 09:52.55 | barbone | sorry |
| 09:52.57 | barbone | SynrG: I read that, but the conf file is under /etc/console-tools/config |
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| 09:53.32 | SynrG | for console-setup? i was thinking /etc/default/console-setup ... |
| 09:53.49 | barbone | ok |
| 09:53.50 | SynrG | looks like that's a console-tools config file. not quite the same? |
| 09:54.31 | barbone | VIDEOMODE=1280x800x16 |
| 09:54.33 | barbone | ?' |
| 09:55.00 | SynrG | or just set to an empty string and maybe the grub video mode will survive without changing? |
| 09:55.09 | SynrG | seems pointless to set the mode twice |
| 09:55.38 | barbone | no the empty string gave me a wrong resolution, the screen is 1280x800, but I can use only the 1024x768 portion |
| 09:55.45 | barbone | (in console mode) |
| 09:55.47 | SynrG | hm |
| 09:56.23 | barbone | this is when I switched to nouveau |
| 09:56.31 | SynrG | ah |
| 09:56.38 | SynrG | using the non-free firmware? |
| 09:56.51 | SynrG | oh wait, i'm confusing this with radeon. never mind |
| 09:56.51 | barbone | because my nvidia board is not supported |
| 09:57.34 | barbone | rebooting to see what will happen! |
| 09:57.35 | barbone | :) |
| 09:57.38 | SynrG | i see. well, i dunno. all my experience with this stuff is using intel, which is more standards-compliant |
| 09:58.00 | SynrG | but i don't have a current/working config for comparison :p |
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| 09:58.15 | SynrG | used to have to do kms mode wrangling with the ancient eeepc model 4G |
| 09:58.27 | SynrG | (yes, i realize they've quit) |
| 09:59.43 | miskatonic | why is radeon not in the contrib category, but in main? |
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| 10:01.59 | SynrG | it does not depend on the non-free firmware |
| 10:02.07 | SynrG | if it did, it would be in contrib |
| 10:02.24 | SynrG | i.e. you *can* run it without the firmware. |
| 10:02.54 | SynrG | depending on your hardware that may or may not give you usable results, though. |
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| 10:03.05 | SynrG | however, this is not the fault of the driver itself. |
| 10:03.52 | miskatonic | ahhh. so the evil firmware is only loaded on demand? |
| 10:04.04 | SynrG | the evil firmware isn't even *installed* unless you ask for it |
| 10:04.28 | SynrG | once you install it, i believe it will always be loaded |
| 10:05.18 | SynrG | you should probably refrain from value-loaded words like 'evil'. it's simply non-free, by Debian's definition. |
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| 10:10.33 | SynrG | miskatonic: as for specifics of 'on demand', depending on the chipset, the kernel will probe for, and if found, load the appropriate firmware per chipset. |
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| 10:12.44 | barbone | not working |
| 10:12.54 | barbone | I had to issue fbset in the console |
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| 10:14.49 | SynrG | if fbset in the console is possible, then it seems you are most of the way there already |
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| 10:15.12 | SynrG | and it should be a small matter of configuration ... sorry i can't be any more help than this |
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| 10:29.43 | f-a | apparently I cannot copy files from hdd to an usb stick (debian jessie) as user |
| 10:29.49 | f-a | is there a way to modify this setting? |
| 10:30.18 | SynrG | is it automatically mounted when you insert it? |
| 10:30.23 | f-a | I tried becoming root; mount /dev/something1 somefolder and then umount, but then some files are corrupted |
| 10:30.26 | f-a | SynrG: yes |
| 10:30.35 | SynrG | does it have a fat filesystem on it? |
| 10:30.39 | f-a | yes |
| 10:31.36 | SynrG | then you should be all set. it's just a small matter of policy to allow it. but on a desktop this is normally taken care of |
| 10:32.05 | SynrG | you don't have an /etc/fstab entry for it, do you? you should not. |
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| 10:33.05 | SynrG | f-a: do you have a desktop on that system? if so, which one? |
| 10:33.23 | f-a | gnome, SynrG |
| 10:33.38 | SynrG | full gnome or some minimal subset of it? |
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| 10:34.04 | f-a | SynrG: I upgraded from wheezy to jessie, standard installation/upgrade path both times |
| 10:34.11 | SynrG | and my other question? does it have an /etc/fstab entry for it? |
| 10:34.25 | SynrG | please confirm it does not |
| 10:34.38 | f-a | apparently there are 2 fstab entries for /dev/sdb1 and 2 . Would you like a paste (I need to log in from the other pc) |
| 10:35.03 | SynrG | you shouldn't have any fstab entries for your USB. if you do, it could interfere with permissions on auto-mount |
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| 10:35.32 | f-a | SynrG: I am pretty sure I never entered them, should I rm the file? |
| 10:35.47 | SynrG | rm your /etc/fstab? that sounds like a very bad idea :) |
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| 10:36.10 | SynrG | i don't know what /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2 are on your system ... if they're not your USB, then it is OK |
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| 10:36.43 | f-a | sdb *is* my usb stick |
| 10:37.02 | SynrG | then comment out those two lines. |
| 10:37.06 | f-a | ok |
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| 10:38.04 | SynrG | then i would: 1. logout 2. ensure no filesystems from sdb are mounted. 3. login and see if it is automounted and copying as the user works |
| 10:38.13 | f-a | ok |
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| 10:47.13 | f-a2 | SynrG: if I plug the usb in I hear the "plug sound" but no volume is shown. Here is dmesg http://paste.debian.net/788217/ and here is fstab http://paste.debian.net/788218/ |
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| 10:53.16 | SynrG | f-a: you can't browse to it through "Computer" or something? (I forget how this is called in gnome now) |
| 10:54.08 | f-a | argh sorry, I now see it was incorrectly formatted, let me format again |
| 10:55.03 | SynrG | :) |
| 10:55.17 | f-a2 | SynrG: Error wiping newly created partition /dev/sdb1: Command-line `wipefs -a "/dev/sdb1"' exited with non-zero exit status 1: wipefs: error: /dev/sdb1: probing initialization failed: File o directory non esistente (udisks-error-quark, 0) |
| 10:55.27 | SynrG | yeah |
| 10:56.03 | SynrG | you could do a block by block erase. not sure what wipefs is |
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| 10:59.55 | f-a2 | so, I formatted it on another machine (I smile, apparently GUIs make things more difficult, not easier) and it works now. Thanks SynrG, I have no idea who modified (me?) that fstab |
| 11:00.52 | SynrG | yay :) |
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| 11:02.02 | SynrG | f-a: given the long history of the box, i guess a lot of possibilities :) |
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| 11:04.13 | f-a | main culpirit being me, giving that I don't see my mum messing with fstab :P I am glad it's done now |
| 11:04.24 | btf | can i authenticate over ssh into jessie using keypair OR password? |
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| 11:05.22 | Ticho | yes, you can |
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| 11:10.32 | barbone | hi |
| 11:10.54 | barbone | what is the number to set in console-setup VIDEOMODE= to obtain 1280x80x16 ?? |
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| 11:18.15 | barbone | placing VIDEOMODE="1280x800" gave me unknown video mode |
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| 11:19.27 | CruX| | hi after update my qtcurve gtk2 theme is not working |
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| 12:24.08 | zebulon1st | info : '3' in russian is said 'ya' not 'e' |
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| 12:33.20 | babilen | zebulon1st: It's rather "tri", isn't it? |
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| 12:42.09 | Alexandrov | 3 = tri isn´t it? |
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| 12:44.57 | jelly | babilen, they're talking about the glyph that looks like a 3 |
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| 12:46.16 | babilen | Ah, з ! |
| 12:46.34 | jelly | Ð (or less likely Ð yeah) |
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| 12:47.16 | jelly | the former iz basically z |
| 12:47.35 | babilen | Kanyeshna |
| 12:47.37 | zebulon1st | babilen: yep, I meant 'Ð' |
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| 12:48.11 | zebulon1st | and you're right : '3' (three) is 'tri' |
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| 12:48.36 | jelly | erm. з is z, dunno what Ñ is |
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| 12:52.14 | Alexandrov | What is the second language for all the former USSR countries? |
| 12:52.34 | SynrG | offtopic-ese |
| 12:53.00 | SynrG | i heard they have a channel for it too, #debian-offtopic ;) |
| 12:53.34 | zebulon1st | well, I think the correct 'ya' russian glyph is 'Я' or 'Ñ'. And 'Ð' or 'з' is 'ze'... and 'Ð' is 'E' :S I just checked in the Gnome charset table :S I was wrong above :S |
| 12:53.53 | jelly | kcharselect ftw |
| 12:55.22 | zebulon1st | I confused between reversed 'R' and reversed 'E' :\ |
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| 12:56.53 | bittin | updating Debian stuff atm :) |
| 12:57.18 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 12:57.18 | dpkg | <maligor> they even attempted to turn me into emacs at the univ <AimHere> Do you mean 'onto' emacs, or does RMS have some sort of secret undergrounds basement where nerds go in, and emacs comes out? <AimHere> Emacs 22.6 ... is ... people! |
| 12:57.39 | jelly | someone tell gry. |
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| 13:00.12 | sk___ | hi, anyone skilled with reghex and fail2ban? |
| 13:00.33 | jelly | !anyone |
| 13:00.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 13:01.01 | sk___ | uhm ok sorry. |
| 13:01.12 | sk___ | i have to get a jail with fail2ban to get dos attack |
| 13:01.16 | sk___ | i need to block www.asd.org:80 195.138.222.121 - - [11/Aug/2016:14:56:14 +0200] "GET /il_progetto/ HTTP/1.0" 200 10436 "-" "ApacheBench/2.3" |
| 13:01.20 | sk___ | ^<HOST> -.*"(GET|POST).* |
| 13:01.22 | sk___ | no gain. |
| 13:01.24 | sk___ | ideas? |
| 13:01.48 | mavhq | laptop running debian testing, battery ran out, default was to do nothing, now it won't boot without root pw. Seems like bad default |
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| 13:02.27 | jelly | sk___, that looks a bit like apache combined access logs. Can you pastebin a couple different lines, and point out which part you want to be <HOST>? |
| 13:02.40 | sk___ | jelly: sure here it is |
| 13:02.44 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:02.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 13:02.53 | sk___ | sure np :) |
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| 13:03.27 | sk___ | http://paste.debian.net/788259/ |
| 13:03.46 | sk___ | i need to match the IP |
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| 13:04.38 | sk___ | its a simple ab benchmark test |
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| 13:06.01 | jelly | sk___, is the IP always the second column, delimited with a single space? |
| 13:06.12 | sk___ | yes always |
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| 13:17.27 | jelly | yes but busy right now, sorry |
| 13:17.39 | sk___ | jelly: np if you free tell me, thanks so much. |
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| 13:23.25 | hmw | Hi. I want to setup a kerberos server on a sid based test system. Initialising with 'kdb5_util create -s -P foo' hangs forever. See http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ae49abd4 In the first lines kdb5_util opens a file and acquires a lock. Fast forward to the end of the trace, there the lock is released. Next the process tries to re-acquire the lock |
| 13:23.25 | hmw | and blocks. Sometimes, very rarely, the process comes to a successful end without blocking. Any hints? |
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| 13:39.19 | binia | afternoon |
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| 13:41.03 | binia | anyone has any experience with pxe and dnsmasq? |
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| 13:56.17 | niko | jelly: you could remove the ban on Sigyn :) |
| 13:56.29 | SebastianRasor01 | Hello! I'm trying to autostart a file that fixes headphones on my system, but it requires root. The way I have the autostart set up is through a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart/ that executes a .sh file in my documents. |
| 13:57.38 | SebastianRasor01 | The .sh file has sudo in it, is there anyway I can make that file not require a sudo password or run it as root by default? |
| 13:57.46 | SynrG | yes |
| 13:57.47 | greycat | SebastianRasor01: /msg greybot sudo |
| 13:58.41 | SebastianRasor01 | Neat, I'll try that. |
| 13:58.43 | SebastianRasor01 | Thanks! |
| 13:58.58 | M-alex_mayorga | ¡Hola! How to enable tap to click on a Synaptics touchpad in Jessie? |
| 13:59.08 | M-alex_mayorga | With GNOME as DE. |
| 13:59.19 | SynrG | !synaptics |
| 13:59.19 | dpkg | Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads/trackpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>. |
| 13:59.56 | SynrG | check your Xorg.0.log. you might not be loading synaptics at all |
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| 14:00.30 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): I've installed gpointing-device-settings already and I believe I selected the right things to no effect. |
| 14:01.08 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): How does one "check your Xorg.0.log"? |
| 14:01.38 | SynrG | put a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log at http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:01.42 | SynrG | then we can look at it and see |
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| 14:01.53 | csarria | Anyone up? |
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| 14:02.23 | themill | niko: done |
| 14:02.24 | csarria | I need help cloning an encrypted drive to a smaller drive. |
| 14:02.40 | SynrG | i say "we" loosely. i have to work. hopefully someone else can help ... or the wiki page i linked via the dpkg bot factoid might help ... (though its latest advice is oriented towards wheezy, not jessie) |
| 14:03.07 | csarria | I have a 300gb drive that is failing and needs to be transferred to a 270GB HDD. Only problem is the 300GB is encrypted with LUKS so resizing the partitions is tricky? |
| 14:03.12 | SynrG | later |
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| 14:09.07 | stoned | What's a good light weight processor of words with spell checking and thesaurus stuff built in |
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| 14:13.25 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Pease see http://paste.debian.net/788285/ |
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| 14:14.02 | SynrG | stoned: vim and some plugins? :) |
| 14:14.13 | stoned | Eh. |
| 14:14.28 | stoned | I'm using a static site generator for my blog at https://stoned.io |
| 14:14.37 | stoned | All content is markdown |
| 14:14.39 | SynrG | not a serious suggestion. sorry, i'm not a thesaurus user ... |
| 14:14.48 | stoned | Yeah, instead of having to look up words |
| 14:14.59 | SynrG | well, half-serious |
| 14:15.01 | stoned | I could right click a word in the editor or something and get either a list of words or something |
| 14:15.05 | SynrG | there is apparently vim-online-thesaurus |
| 14:15.07 | stoned | Something like that. |
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| 14:15.16 | stoned | I can always just use dict in a terminal |
| 14:15.21 | SynrG | yup |
| 14:15.23 | stoned | but something in a gui would be nice |
| 14:15.25 | stoned | you know |
| 14:15.31 | SynrG | that's more or less exactly what i'd do. look up stuff in the terminal |
| 14:15.38 | SynrG | otherwise, see if there's a plugin for vim. |
| 14:15.42 | stoned | I mean that's what I do now :) |
| 14:15.48 | stoned | Ok |
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| 14:18.06 | stoned | SynrG: Also I like being able to right click and correct the spelling, but maybe i shoudl wait and run a checker after Im done writing |
| 14:18.18 | stoned | Most of the articles on blog are must first draft markdown documents |
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| 14:19.05 | SynrG | stoned: like http://vim.1045645.n5.nabble.com/right-click-menu-spell-checker-td3291428.html or so? |
| 14:19.10 | stoned | I'm using netbeans for the site project manager/editor for the time being (needed to do design/template/coding) but I find doing markdown in netbeans sucks. The spell checking is horrendouyly slow |
| 14:19.22 | SynrG | ah, netbeans ... ugh |
| 14:19.25 | stoned | You really like vim, huh |
| 14:19.28 | SynrG | slow from start to finish |
| 14:19.34 | SynrG | gave up on it aeons ago |
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| 14:19.39 | stoned | Actually, without plugins, netbeans PHP is the best |
| 14:19.47 | stoned | I have used and sampled them all, and I always come back to NB |
| 14:19.49 | SynrG | it was pretty awful fro ruby dev |
| 14:19.49 | stoned | Same with linux |
| 14:19.51 | SynrG | for* |
| 14:19.58 | stoned | Sample every distro, come back to debian. |
| 14:20.11 | stoned | Someone gave me a copy of debian back in college, 2001 |
| 14:20.16 | stoned | hooked since then |
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| 14:20.54 | greycat | Kali Linux got multiple plugs in last night's episode of Mr. Robot. |
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| 14:21.16 | stoned | Hey ol timer |
| 14:21.17 | stoned | o/ |
| 14:21.49 | SebastianRasor01 | Ok, Now I can run the .sh without the sudo popup if I click it, but if I try to run it from the terminal it still asks for a password. |
| 14:21.52 | SynrG | checks if he accidentally opened #debian-offtopic ... |
| 14:21.54 | SynrG | nope :) |
| 14:22.09 | SebastianRasor01 | So it wont work on the startup. |
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| 14:22.31 | stoned | SebastianRasor01: add your user to the sudo group, one who needs to run said script |
| 14:22.35 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: order matters |
| 14:22.44 | stoned | I dunno what's happening |
| 14:23.06 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: it is possible the password rule is in the wrong order and is preferred over the nopassword one |
| 14:23.31 | SebastianRasor01 | I have it all in order, if I just double click the .sh file it runs without asking for a password. It's just running it from the terminal wont work. |
| 14:23.33 | stoned | SebastianRasor01: you can make it nopasswd for the path to the script file |
| 14:23.36 | stoned | SebastianRasor01: man sudoers |
| 14:23.42 | SebastianRasor01 | Thats what i did |
| 14:23.45 | stoned | hm |
| 14:23.52 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: so your rules are in the wrong order |
| 14:24.01 | SebastianRasor01 | How? |
| 14:24.15 | SynrG | read the sudoers man page: |
| 14:24.29 | SynrG | When multiple entries match for a user, they are applied in order. Where there are multiple matches, the last match is used (which is not necessarily the most specific match). |
| 14:24.42 | SebastianRasor01 | I have it in correct order |
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| 14:24.51 | SebastianRasor01 | And it runs if I click the sh file |
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| 14:25.01 | SebastianRasor01 | But I cant run it from the terminal |
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| 14:25.06 | SebastianRasor01 | without a pass |
| 14:25.16 | SynrG | it's an easy thing to get wrong. the debian config has includes |
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| 14:25.28 | SynrG | one of those includes handles membership in the sudo group |
| 14:25.47 | SynrG | if that is still last in your file, than your "more specific" rule is being ignored in favour of that |
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| 14:26.12 | SebastianRasor01 | I dont think you understand, the rule is working |
| 14:26.48 | SebastianRasor01 | If I close the terminal on a boot and just click the sh file everything I need to happen happens without a pass |
| 14:27.17 | SebastianRasor01 | Its just running it from the terminal isnt working |
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| 14:30.28 | SebastianRasor01 | I'll try to make the .desktop file run the script as root instead of having the script ask for root |
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| 14:30.47 | SynrG | there's no reason to do that. and it opens up a security hole |
| 14:31.20 | SynrG | then the user could possibly insert arbitrary privileged commands into that file (or an attacker) |
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| 14:31.36 | SynrG | or i should say "increases your attack surface" |
| 14:31.48 | SynrG | without seeing your sudoers file and the script, i can't say how to proceed |
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| 14:33.03 | SebastianRasor01 | Give me one second |
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| 14:35.48 | SynrG | stoned: your exact choice of editor aside, i think the point i was trying to get across is: "don't use a word processor; use an extensible text editor (whichever one floats your boat); any extensible text editor worth its salt should have spell-checking and thesaurus for it" |
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| 14:40.55 | barbone | hi |
| 14:40.57 | Bish | hi guys, a customer just gave me a debian server, which i don't have much knowledge about |
| 14:41.15 | Bish | i want to have more recent versions of mysql,ruby and the equivalent of ubuntus "build-essnetial" |
| 14:41.20 | Bish | what options do i have? |
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| 14:41.44 | Bish | scratch the build-essential part |
| 14:41.55 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Did you get a chance to look at http://paste.debian.net/788285/ please? |
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| 14:42.42 | SebastianRasor01 | http://pastebin.com/ZHjAJ5jr |
| 14:42.47 | SebastianRasor01 | SynrG |
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| 14:43.33 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: what i was meaning about order is that by adding the rule in the middle, it won't be obeyed if any of the later rules apply (e.g. is 'sebastian' in the sudo group?) |
| 14:43.54 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: that looks fine. i.e. synaptics is detected and loaded properly |
| 14:44.21 | SynrG | as for how/why gnome can't seem to configure it, i don't know. gnome changed a bunch of things in gnome3 ... |
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| 14:44.32 | SynrG | and now i don't use it anymore. so i'm no help to you with those specifics. |
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| 14:44.58 | SebastianRasor01 | I am in th sudo group, what do you mean by in the middle? |
| 14:44.59 | SynrG | however, the wiki page does talk about doing the end-runaround vs. your desktop to implement it in a different fashion, if you want to go that route |
| 14:45.26 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: line 25 is before line 28 |
| 14:45.32 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: the rule at line 28 takes precedence |
| 14:45.39 | SynrG | it's like 25 isn't there at all |
| 14:46.02 | SebastianRasor01 | So should I move 25 to after 28? |
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| 14:46.14 | SynrG | also line 24 is useless |
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| 14:46.32 | SynrG | line 28 supersedes (and is identical in purpose) to line 24 |
| 14:46.47 | SynrG | yes. |
| 14:46.51 | SynrG | or to the very end of the file |
| 14:47.00 | SynrG | theoretically, you could have stuff in the included dir |
| 14:47.10 | SynrG | (though by default there's nothing but a README there) |
| 14:47.10 | SebastianRasor01 | Ok, so move 25 and remove 24? |
| 14:47.15 | SynrG | yup |
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| 14:47.42 | johnkeates | where do i find a debian mentor |
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| 14:47.47 | SynrG | and if you want to get very specific you could have the exact python command you want to grant access to instead of the path to the .sh |
| 14:47.51 | johnkeates | i have a package i'd |
| 14:47.55 | johnkeates | like to get into contrib |
| 14:47.55 | Bish | halp ;; |
| 14:47.58 | SynrG | which has the downside of allowing the user to inject arbitrary commands into it |
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| 14:48.25 | SynrG | johnkeates: please see #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net |
| 14:48.28 | johnkeates | thx |
| 14:48.46 | SebastianRasor01 | I just updated the sudoers, I'll reboot and see if it works |
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| 14:51.13 | SebastianRasor01 | I'm still getting the terminal popup asking for a password |
| 14:52.01 | SynrG | so it sounds like somehow the path doesn't match, so it falls through to the more generic rule for sudo ownership |
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| 14:52.20 | SynrG | you must specify the exact path that you're executing |
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| 14:52.46 | SebastianRasor01 | I thought I already did in the .desktop |
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| 14:53.25 | SynrG | let me see your paste again ... |
| 14:53.26 | babilen | SebastianRasor01: The entry in sudoers has to match exactly |
| 14:53.28 | SynrG | sec |
| 14:53.38 | SynrG | yes. what babilen said :) |
| 14:53.49 | SebastianRasor01 | http://pastebin.com/ZHjAJ5jr SynrG |
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| 14:54.16 | SebastianRasor01 | They do match exactly |
| 14:55.51 | SynrG | well, isn't that the old paste? i'd like to see the files as they look now |
| 14:55.56 | SebastianRasor01 | Ok |
| 14:56.15 | SynrG | also, you still have the 'sudo python ...' in run.sh. actually, it's preferable to just authorize that |
| 14:56.18 | SynrG | instead of all of run.sh |
| 14:56.22 | SynrG | for the reason i mentioned before |
| 14:56.27 | SebastianRasor01 | Ok |
| 14:56.37 | SebastianRasor01 | So change that in the sudoers? |
| 14:56.41 | SynrG | but again, must match exactly, including arguments |
| 14:56.44 | SynrG | yes |
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| 14:57.33 | SebastianRasor01 | Can I just remove all of the comments on the sudoers? |
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| 14:58.19 | SynrG | at your peril :) i find comments in config files help me to understand what's happening |
| 14:58.20 | jhutchins | SebastianRasor01: Stripping comments only affects you as a human editor of the file. |
| 14:58.44 | SynrG | it may also increase your work for any CONFFILE that dpkg supplies |
| 14:58.47 | jhutchins | SebastianRasor01: You might consider making a copy of the original to sudoers.dist in case you need to reference it. |
| 14:58.55 | SynrG | or that a deb supplies, i should say |
| 14:59.05 | SynrG | and that dpkg flags as having changed |
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| 14:59.28 | jhutchins | SebastianRasor01: grep -v "^#" conffile > newconffile |
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| 15:00.28 | SynrG | i.e. those messages that say there is a new version of the file provided by the maintainer ... if you leave in the comments, then your diff is smaller when you've only changed one or two lines |
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| 15:00.41 | SynrG | makes it easier to see what the real differences are between your version and the maintainer's version |
| 15:02.00 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): So is this a GNOME bug perhaps? Thanks on checking BTW. |
| 15:02.16 | SebastianRasor01 | http://pastebin.com/szZkG7st |
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| 15:02.29 | SebastianRasor01 | There's everything updated |
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| 15:04.50 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: i'm not sure about 'bug'. i thought for sure gnome had a way to change the setting, but maybe i'm wrong. gnome has stripped out functionality not consistent with its vision of providing a simpler, easier to use default user experience ... |
| 15:05.13 | SynrG | meanwhile, the synaptics driver dropped "tap to click" by default, because *they* felt it was confusing to enable by default |
| 15:05.21 | SebastianRasor01 | I'm gonna reboot again, I just ran the sh and there was no password prompt |
| 15:05.24 | SynrG | i.e. more often than not, the user ends up accidentally tapping to click things ... |
| 15:05.30 | SebastianRasor01 | I'll see if it works on startup |
| 15:05.57 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: so if the gnome maintainers didn't see fit to expose a knob to change this anymore ... i guess you have to resort to a non-gnomish way of configuring it |
| 15:06.04 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: and the wiki page covers that, i believe |
| 15:06.07 | SynrG | !synaptics |
| 15:06.16 | dpkg | Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads/trackpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>. |
| 15:06.20 | SynrG | ^^ here it is again |
| 15:06.22 | M-alex_mayorga | I'm very used to tap to click from my Ubuntu days unfortunately... |
| 15:06.33 | SynrG | yes, but debian didn't make that go away ... |
| 15:06.35 | SynrG | upstream did |
| 15:06.59 | SynrG | so if ubuntu re-enabled that for its own reasons, that goes against what upstream feels the best default is :p |
| 15:07.06 | M-alex_mayorga | ¡Gracias! I'll keep digging. |
| 15:07.15 | SynrG | debian is more inclined to believe that upstream knows what it's doing. |
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| 15:07.24 | SynrG | and leave stuff like that alone |
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| 15:08.10 | SebastianRasor01 | Im stupid |
| 15:08.18 | SebastianRasor01 | I had already ran sudo in that terminal |
| 15:08.25 | SebastianRasor01 | It still doesnt work |
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| 15:12.49 | Xin | hey all :) |
| 15:13.01 | Xin | any xorg/x11 experts in here? xD |
| 15:13.11 | Xin | I need to do something that seems entirely possible but tricky |
| 15:13.26 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Per https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764257#c12 shall I file a bug to debian? |
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| 15:21.11 | M-alex_mayorga | Upstream did change but now users are left with non-configurable touchpads. I'm rather new to Debian, just my 2nd week. But this seems like a bug or misfeature IMHO |
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| 15:22.43 | jhutchins | M-alex_mayorga: Good work tracking it down. |
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| 15:23.07 | jhutchins | M-alex_mayorga: I would think a bugreport with a link to the info on it being fixed and/or an RFP. |
| 15:23.41 | M-alex_mayorga | jhutchins (IRC): ¿? RFP? |
| 15:24.29 | jhutchins | Request For Packaging. |
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| 15:25.13 | M-alex_mayorga | jhutchins (IRC): I'm too much of a n00b right now. Do you feel like hand holding me on this? =) |
| 15:25.29 | jhutchins | M-alex_mayorga: I have no actual knowledge of the issue, so not really. |
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| 15:25.45 | jhutchins | M-alex_mayorga: My availability is pretty intermittent as well. |
| 15:26.12 | M-alex_mayorga | jhutchins (IRC): I see, thanks anyway. |
| 15:26.48 | M-alex_mayorga | It is more like xserver-xorg-input-synaptics shall be removed. |
| 15:27.32 | M-alex_mayorga | I'll know for sure on the next reboot. |
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| 15:49.39 | Xin | any xorg/x11 experts in here? xD |
| 15:49.40 | Xin | I need to do something that seems entirely possible but tricky |
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| 15:49.58 | greycat | !anyone |
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| 15:53.03 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: libinput is relatively new and that shouldn't affect jessie .... |
| 15:53.44 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: jessie has gnome 3.14, not the versions discussed in that bug. |
| 15:54.26 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: the claim in the bug is that 3.18 does not have the issue, but 3.20 does because of synaptics being obsolete & superseded by libinput |
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| 15:55.33 | SynrG | what capability existed in 3.14 to configure tap to click, i have no idea. as i said, i no longer use gnome. |
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| 15:56.08 | g00se | I've got an ancient Squeeze server that's just refusing to properly configure its Ethernet card. ifup is saying 'network unreachable'. It was all fine yesterday. Nothing obvious changed. Restarted the domestic router. Any hints for narrowing down the problem? |
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| 15:58.11 | frostschutz | g00se, can you up it manually with ifconfig/ip? anything in dmesg? sometimes NICs just go bad... rebooted recently? if not you might have to flush some old rules out |
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| 15:58.52 | g00se | frostschutz: i'll check. Thanks |
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| 16:09.58 | g00se | thinks that it IS using NetworkManager as there is a comment to that effect in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 16:14.59 | afernandez_ | sed -e "s/a/b/" /tmp/file >/tmp/file |
| 16:15.00 | afernandez_ | While /tmp/file contains data, why is /tmp/file empty afterwards? |
| 16:16.29 | greycat | afernandez_: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls#pf13 |
| 16:16.50 | afernandez_ | Thank you. |
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| 16:19.24 | socomm | afernandez_: you can do in place substitution with 'sed -i' |
| 16:19.30 | socomm | I'm sure its mentioned on that wiki page though |
| 16:19.58 | afernandez_ | Thanks. |
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| 16:24.21 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Seems like this particular Debian is "stretch", so affected. |
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| 16:24.31 | stoned | SynrG: ok thanks |
| 16:24.38 | stoned | I like nano, I'm a pico/mutter |
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| 16:24.56 | stoned | I never really got used to the whole vi edit/insert mode or something |
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| 16:26.45 | stoned | SynrG: http://limetext.org/ |
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| 16:30.49 | stoned | https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/3/35/WG40-WriterGuideLO.pdf Actually libreoffice does have a right click synonyms stuff |
| 16:31.09 | stoned | Pretty much what I was looking for. 7gb of ram sitting unused on this xmonad stable box. eh. I'll try office. |
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| 16:32.22 | stoned | lxpanel is a nice panel. |
| 16:32.50 | stoned | I used to use kicker from kde3, but now if you try to use plasma in xmonad, it will show you the plasma desktop widgets too, I don't want that. |
| 16:33.01 | stoned | I wonder if there is something as good as kicker panel standalone I can use under xmonad |
| 16:33.34 | stoned | If you know of any, plese tell |
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| 16:36.41 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: your Xorg.0.log suggested you were using jessie |
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| 16:38.36 | SynrG | also, that's how you framed your question. you said: |
| 16:38.38 | SynrG | <M-alex_mayorga> ¡Hola! How to enable tap to click on a Synaptics touchpad in Jessie? |
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| 16:39.01 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: were you mistaken? |
| 16:39.18 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): I was under that impression, but it seems this it stretch from .list |
| 16:39.39 | Not_a_Robot | Hi, is there anyone that can help me a little bit with screen command? I want to create a script that uses "cd" into some directories and start a program there. So I have 4 programs in 4 different directories and I want to start them using screen. How should be this script, please? |
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| 16:40.02 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: also your log has: |
| 16:40.04 | SebastianRasor01 | I fixed it |
| 16:40.04 | SynrG | [ 5.467] Current Operating System: Linux w530 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 |
| 16:40.16 | SebastianRasor01 | The problem was I was trying to run python as root |
| 16:40.22 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: please put the output of 'apt-cache policy' into a paste |
| 16:40.41 | SebastianRasor01 | I just made another sh and ran that as root, I put python in there and fixed it all |
| 16:41.03 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: really? that sounds wrong. you ought to be able to sudo python just as easily as a shell |
| 16:41.17 | SebastianRasor01 | So now it goes from startup.desktop > run.sh > headphones.sh > headphones.py |
| 16:41.31 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Please see http://paste.debian.net/788331/ |
| 16:41.39 | SebastianRasor01 | Headphones.sh is the only thing with NOPASSWD privilages now |
| 16:41.59 | SebastianRasor01 | Im gonna head out to get a drink |
| 16:42.31 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: but that doesn't tell me what your pin priorities are. at the very least, it looks like your xserver is from jessie |
| 16:42.35 | SynrG | and your kernel |
| 16:42.51 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): http://paste.debian.net/788332/ |
| 16:42.53 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: have you only partially upgraded this system from jessie -> stretch? |
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| 16:43.22 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Looks to me like this was Jessie from CD then upgraded. |
| 16:43.34 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): I do not know. |
| 16:43.35 | SynrG | well, you're definitely on stretch. but that doesn't explain your Xorg.0.log output which claims it's on a jessie kernel |
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| 16:43.50 | SynrG | however, it does explain your bug. |
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| 16:44.39 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: please show the output of 'apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64' |
| 16:44.43 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): How do I fix this box so it is "true stretch"? |
| 16:44.58 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: did you ever full-upgrade or dist-upgrade? |
| 16:45.08 | SynrG | or do you only ever 'upgrade' or 'safe-upgrade'? |
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| 16:45.42 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Please see http://paste.debian.net/788333/ |
| 16:46.11 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Unknown, this is an hand me down system |
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| 16:47.00 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: ok, what's 'uname -a', then? |
| 16:47.11 | SynrG | that's a one-liner. just paste it here |
| 16:47.34 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Linux w530 4.6.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.4-1 (2016-07-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:47.49 | SynrG | is your Xorg.0.log recent, or not? i'm thinking not |
| 16:47.58 | SynrG | check the date on that |
| 16:48.06 | SynrG | or confirm it actually came from the right system :) |
| 16:48.36 | jhutchins | SynrG: I once worked on a system that had bits of five different releases on it. |
| 16:48.44 | M-alex_mayorga | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 75770 ago 3 13:43 /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:49.22 | SynrG | and that exactly matches http://paste.debian.net/788285/ ? |
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| 16:51.12 | SynrG | i mean, one of these two statements is false, that the kernel cmd line is: |
| 16:51.15 | SynrG | [ 5.467] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 root=UUID=45d5a45c-3f0d-4db2-a169-7b3b982ccf4f ro initrd=/install/gtk/initrd.gz quiet |
| 16:51.27 | SynrG | or that the uname -a output above is the real kernel |
| 16:51.41 | SynrG | they can't be both true for the same system at once! |
| 16:52.10 | SynrG | (not without 'clever' things like user-mode-linux or so) |
| 16:52.55 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): So how do I fix this thing? |
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| 16:54.32 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: nothing is broken. you've given me conflicting info ... they can't both be true |
| 16:54.38 | SynrG | give me accurate info and i can help |
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| 16:55.17 | SynrG | it looks like uname -a and Xorg.0.log are from two different systems, or at least from two completely different times in the evolution of the same system. |
| 16:55.50 | SynrG | verify if you're really seeing those things on the same system. i can't believe it. |
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| 16:56.35 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Truth is that .list does show Jessie and testing. |
| 16:56.45 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): How do I correct that? |
| 16:57.34 | nebg | hello everyone... i'm on my laptop debian machine... i want to use all the kali tools and i could install them manually but since it's more comfortable to install kali ... i was thinking at a debootstrap solution with chroot putting the kali repository... now i'm not a sysadmin... is this a stupid idea or it is doable ? |
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| 16:59.04 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: it's not relevant until you can explain why the Xorg.0.log says the kernel you are booted on is jessie's kernel, but uname -a says you're on stretch's kernel. |
| 16:59.21 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: these are mutually contradictory outputs. they cannot be true for the same system at the same time. |
| 16:59.40 | SynrG | the jessie line is for the CD image. if you don't have the CD inserted, it's not relevant. |
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| 17:00.24 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Shall I delete Xorg.0.log and reboot? |
| 17:00.56 | Olof_szary | Hello. When the network interfaces starts at boot? |
| 17:01.23 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: no. i'm pretty sure that's stale. i don't understand the timestamp on it, but it can't be recent. |
| 17:01.24 | Olof_szary | ie How to be sure that my init.d scripts starts AFTER eth0 is running |
| 17:01.45 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): You'll have to take my word for it, but all the data given is form the same box, is the only one I have. |
| 17:01.48 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: if it truly is on the same system and couldn't be from any other system, then it can't be recent. |
| 17:02.18 | cenysor | I downloaded infinality from github, but I can not build fontconfig-infinality |
| 17:02.18 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: did you modify that file with a text editor or something? |
| 17:02.28 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: otherwise, i can't explain why it would have a current timestamp on it |
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| 17:03.11 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: what is your localtime? |
| 17:03.18 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: and have you upgraded this box today? |
| 17:03.26 | Not_a_Robot | Hi, is there anyone that can help me a little bit with screen command? I want to create a script that uses "cd" into some directories and start a program there. So I have 4 programs in 4 different directories and I want to start them using screen. How should be this script, please? |
| 17:03.36 | SynrG | you said that file was created at 13:43 |
| 17:03.49 | SynrG | is that recent for you? |
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| 17:04.34 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): jue ago 11 12:04:03 CDT 2016 |
| 17:05.10 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Log file is ago 3, right? |
| 17:05.47 | SynrG | sorry, that bit confused me. in english. august 3? |
| 17:06.07 | SynrG | i did not see an english month name in there so my eyes skidded over that bit ... |
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| 17:06.14 | SynrG | have you upgraded the system since that date? |
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| 17:06.36 | SynrG | if so, then probably gnome puts its log somewhere else, ever since the Xorg runs as user change |
| 17:06.50 | SynrG | but you *said* Jessie, so i never thought of that. |
| 17:06.54 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): I'm in LATAM Spanish so Agosto = August |
| 17:07.10 | SynrG | gotcha. so what happened here (my theory is now) ... |
| 17:07.24 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Sorry I was mislead myself |
| 17:07.31 | SynrG | is you received this box as a jessie box. but it had (either added by you or its prior owner) a testing sources.list ... |
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| 17:07.39 | SynrG | and then you upgraded it, and it became stretch |
| 17:07.55 | M-alex_mayorga | Like I said I checked .list and saw Jessie. |
| 17:08.02 | SynrG | either that or its prior owner upgraded it very recently before you received it |
| 17:08.18 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): How to fully upgrade so it is true stretch? |
| 17:08.25 | SynrG | it *is* true stretch |
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| 17:08.39 | M-alex_mayorga | i.e. No Jessie in .list |
| 17:08.39 | SynrG | the only inconsistency was that i assumed (incorrectly) you were showing me a current Xorg.0.log |
| 17:08.45 | SynrG | it's irrelevant |
| 17:08.45 | M-alex_mayorga | Is that even possible? |
| 17:08.49 | SynrG | the pin priorities are all 500 |
| 17:09.08 | M-alex_mayorga | Oh! OK then. |
| 17:09.12 | SynrG | so the testing lines will take precedence since testing has later versions in it and pin priorities are equal |
| 17:09.31 | SynrG | also the jessie line is for a CD which (I assume) isn't even in the box |
| 17:09.43 | SynrG | you can get rid of that line and "apt-get update" and nothing will change |
| 17:10.24 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: so as for the actual Xorg log, i forget where gnome now puts that. |
| 17:11.28 | SebastianRasor01 | Hey SynrG, why were you surprised at how I got my script to work? |
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| 17:12.15 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: the solution is nonsense :( |
| 17:12.27 | SebastianRasor01 | Solution works :) |
| 17:12.29 | SebastianRasor01 | lol |
| 17:12.32 | SynrG | if it works, it's accidental |
| 17:12.37 | SynrG | so you've learned nothing |
| 17:12.43 | SynrG | worse. you've learned to do a thing that's insane |
| 17:13.20 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Is there a command to fully upgrade this system? |
| 17:13.49 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: 'apt-get dist-upgrade' (do 'apt-get update' first) |
| 17:14.04 | M-alex_mayorga | OK |
| 17:14.05 | SynrG | or: apt update && apt dist-upgrade |
| 17:14.10 | SynrG | the new apt front-end is nice :) |
| 17:14.16 | SynrG | (new since jessie, btw) |
| 17:14.28 | SebastianRasor01 | SynrG, I think the reason it worked is because I wasn't executing the .py as a program, I was using 'sudo python /blah/headphones.py' |
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| 17:15.04 | SebastianRasor01 | So the rule didnt work because I wasnt doing 'sudo /blah/headphones.py' |
| 17:15.07 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: so? that should work provided that the full path is authorized in sudoers |
| 17:15.17 | SebastianRasor01 | Well it didnt before |
| 17:15.26 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: i.e. /usr/bin/python blahblah |
| 17:15.35 | SynrG | where 'blahblah' is the name of your script and any other args |
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| 17:16.06 | SynrG | you shouldn't ever authorize anything without a fully qualified path in sudoers |
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| 17:16.15 | SynrG | the path *to the executable* |
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| 17:16.36 | SebastianRasor01 | So why wont the current solution work? |
| 17:16.41 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): How good is your Spanish? =) http://paste.debian.net/788342/ |
| 17:16.43 | SynrG | so to simplify, your .desktop Exec=run.sh, and in run.sh, sudo /usr/bin/python blahblah |
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| 17:17.00 | SebastianRasor01 | That's what i was doing before |
| 17:17.03 | SebastianRasor01 | and it didnt work |
| 17:17.06 | SynrG | and in sudoers, the NOPASSWD entry is for: /usr/bin/python blahblah |
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| 17:17.28 | SynrG | with the full path to python spelled out, and the arguments exactly as per the line in run.sh |
| 17:17.34 | SynrG | you did all of this exactly as i described? |
| 17:17.39 | SebastianRasor01 | oh, so in the sudoers in wasnt just the path to the .py? |
| 17:17.42 | SynrG | no |
| 17:17.53 | SynrG | that cannot work. it's not a path to an executable |
| 17:17.58 | greycat | SynrG: I cannot imagine how you are still speaking coherently. |
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| 17:18.08 | SynrG | greycat: :) |
| 17:18.16 | SynrG | greycat: it's my superpower |
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| 17:19.15 | SynrG | greycat: you can take the DD out of debian, but you can't take Debian out of the DD ... or something ;) |
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| 17:19.40 | SebastianRasor01 | Now it doesnt work |
| 17:19.41 | SynrG | greycat: (i recently retired, in case you hadn't heard) |
| 17:19.46 | SebastianRasor01 | I did exactly what you said |
| 17:19.53 | abrotman | I deleted the message, it wasn't true |
| 17:19.55 | greycat | I hadn't. Err, congratulations I guess. |
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| 17:20.32 | SynrG | greycat: thanks |
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| 17:20.54 | SebastianRasor01 | Nevermind, I am a complete idiot |
| 17:21.05 | SebastianRasor01 | Sorry for wasting your time lmao |
| 17:21.20 | SynrG | not complete. you did eventually solve it :) |
| 17:21.26 | SynrG | complete idiots leave without solutions |
| 17:21.39 | SebastianRasor01 | Im still an idiot though lol |
| 17:21.49 | SynrG | hopefully a bit smarter now :) |
| 17:21.57 | M-alex_mayorga | SebastianRasor01 (IRC): Aren't we all? |
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| 17:22.23 | SebastianRasor01 | So now it should all be working, it goes from startup.desktop > run.py > headphones.py |
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| 17:22.35 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: oh yeah, and, um ... journalctl -e /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 17:22.35 | SebastianRasor01 | run.sh* |
| 17:22.36 | SynrG | i guess |
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| 17:22.52 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: yay :) |
| 17:23.26 | SebastianRasor01 | Why is startup stuff so hard in debian? In windows you just dropped it into a folder and you were done lmao |
| 17:24.00 | greycat | In Unix you just edited ~/.profile and you were done. But now we have these Desktop Environments, and everything is all chaotic and broken. |
| 17:24.02 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): -- No entries -- |
| 17:24.36 | SebastianRasor01 | I've been using gnome for a couple weeks now |
| 17:25.18 | greycat | Successfully managing a dot-desktop thing after only a couple weeks is pretty good. |
| 17:25.19 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Congrats on the retirement BTW, I don't think my generation here in Mexico would have such perk in the foreseable future =) |
| 17:26.17 | SebastianRasor01 | Oh, It wasnt that hard, just make a .desktop file in, fill out everything you need and you're done |
| 17:26.19 | eclipric | hi guys. I have one of those ISP usb mobile internet pens and I can seem to put it to work. Usually it should have some installer with it (inside the flash memory) but sudo fdisk -l shows no such flash device |
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| 17:26.25 | SebastianRasor01 | Its just getting it to autostart |
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| 17:26.31 | SebastianRasor01 | without a password prompt |
| 17:26.32 | SebastianRasor01 | pls no |
| 17:27.14 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: as root? |
| 17:27.21 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: i think root has a different view of it |
| 17:27.34 | tharkun | I tried the usual mount /media/usb but my Android piece of crap does not get mounted. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 17:27.42 | SebastianRasor01 | If I were to change both run.sh and headphones.py to root ownership would that make them more secure? |
| 17:27.46 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: oh, just retirement from Debian as a developer, not from my job :) |
| 17:28.04 | MadRat- | Is it possible to get Unicode 9 emoji (with or without color) on Debian 8.5? If so how? |
| 17:28.15 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): # journalctl -e /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 17:28.16 | M-alex_mayorga | -- No entries -- |
| 17:28.42 | SynrG | i don't know, then. maybe the wrong filter. in any case, i understand gnome logs that stuff to the systemd journal |
| 17:28.48 | SebastianRasor01 | Hey SynrG, |
| 17:28.51 | SebastianRasor01 | If I were to change both run.sh and headphones.py to root ownership would that make them more secure? |
| 17:29.03 | SynrG | so the mystery of "where did the Xorg.0.log go?" is there, somewhere :) |
| 17:29.19 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: unfortunately, without a gnome system running stretch, i can't easily test |
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| 17:29.50 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): The actual file you mean? If so is /var/log |
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| 17:30.15 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: no. i mean, i don't think with gnome, the Xorg log is kept in /var/log anymore |
| 17:30.33 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Saw my last pastebin? Seems like apt-secure does not like the traces of Jessie. |
| 17:30.35 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: i think it goes into the systemd journal. but apparently i have the journalctl arguments wrong for stretch |
| 17:30.50 | SynrG | no, i didn't |
| 17:31.06 | SynrG | !tell M-alex_mayorga about localised errors |
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| 17:31.44 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: well, you certainly don't want the user modifying either of these. |
| 17:31.57 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: this probably also means you don't want them living in the user's home anywhere |
| 17:32.13 | SynrG | as the user might simply rename the file and replace it with one of their own |
| 17:32.49 | SynrG | it doesn't matter that run.sh is owned by the user, since you only authorized the headphones.py |
| 17:33.01 | SynrG | so that's the one that's critical to make non-user-modifiable |
| 17:33.15 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Now in English http://paste.debian.net/788344/ |
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| 17:33.39 | SebastianRasor01 | alright, I'll edit the permissions real quick |
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| 17:33.48 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: huh? didn't you remove that from /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:34.04 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: is there anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 17:34.17 | Olof_szary | how to be sure during init/boot that interfaces are started |
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| 17:34.28 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: you didn't just accidentally only remove the commented-out line but forget the real line? |
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| 17:34.33 | Olof_szary | should I manually put dhclient iface in rc.local? |
| 17:34.42 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Shall I remove all CD lines from there? |
| 17:34.57 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: yes. it doesn't serve any purpose anymore |
| 17:34.58 | eclipric | guys |
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| 17:35.11 | eclipric | I need to configure a usb 4g internet provider flash drive |
| 17:35.16 | eclipric | device |
| 17:35.17 | M-alex_mayorga | has not modified /etc/apt/sources.list today. |
| 17:35.18 | eclipric | In myh debian machisne |
| 17:35.50 | eclipric | shouldn't it appear with sudo -fdisk -l? |
| 17:35.59 | eclipric | under /dev/sdb<> |
| 17:36.13 | SebastianRasor01 | alright, so i'm all set now? |
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| 17:36.16 | Olof_szary | eclipric: sometimes you need to send it something |
| 17:36.31 | M-alex_mayorga | eclipric (IRC): More like lsusb |
| 17:36.34 | eclipric | you mean a hardware signal? |
| 17:36.39 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: i can't say if you're all set unless you say what you did :) i recommended headphones.py not be in the user dir, and not be owned by the user. |
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| 17:36.54 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: but of course, then you would have to change sudoers and run.sh again to reflect the new path. |
| 17:37.04 | SebastianRasor01 | alright, should |
| 17:37.05 | M-alex_mayorga | eclipric (IRC): And unless it is rather obscure NetworkManager usually takes care. |
| 17:37.10 | Olof_szary | eclipric: In one device I was using I had to do: usb_modeswitch -v 12d1 -p 15ca -V 12d1 -P 1506 -M"55534243123456780000000000000011062000000100000000000000000000" |
| 17:37.23 | SebastianRasor01 | should I move it under the root home? |
| 17:37.36 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: i would normally put local scripts in /usr/local/bin |
| 17:37.39 | Olof_szary | in others, It was just working "out of box" |
| 17:37.51 | SebastianRasor01 | alright |
| 17:37.56 | SynrG | that's FHS |
| 17:38.01 | SynrG | !tell SebastianRasor01 about fhs |
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| 17:39.10 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Here's /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.debian.net/788346/ |
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| 17:39.16 | SebastianRasor01 | alrighty, should I do some research on that a bit more? |
| 17:39.25 | Olof_szary | eclipric: and then /dev/ttyUSBXX may appear |
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| 17:39.32 | eclipric | theres a usb device I got with lsusb called Broadcom Corp. |
| 17:39.34 | eclipric | okay |
| 17:39.37 | eclipric | I'llcheck |
| 17:39.53 | M-alex_mayorga | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.00 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: yeah, so get rid of everything from lines 1 through 5 |
| 17:40.02 | Olof_szary | eclipric: If I were you, I'd check for vendour information |
| 17:40.13 | eclipric | there's no information |
| 17:40.29 | eclipric | this is oriented for windows |
| 17:40.35 | eclipric | most likely |
| 17:40.46 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: but i wish to stress that, so long as your system has been upgraded regularly, this only removes "junk" lines that were ignored anyway ... |
| 17:40.47 | Olof_szary | so, it is an usb drive, you install some exe and then it works? |
| 17:40.53 | eclipric | yeah |
| 17:40.54 | SynrG | it doesn't substantially change the identity of the system |
| 17:40.55 | maziar | connect my camera HDMI output to my Debian laptop, and i want to record it, how should i do it? |
| 17:41.11 | eclipric | maybe it also has a linux installer with it |
| 17:41.12 | eclipric | idk |
| 17:41.20 | eclipric | could help if I could mount it |
| 17:41.24 | Olof_szary | eclipric: so 90% of chance that you have to manually switch it from usb drive to usb modem |
| 17:41.38 | Olof_szary | or vice versa |
| 17:41.40 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: FHS? that's for your information only |
| 17:42.15 | Olof_szary | eclipric: you can also manually connect it like: echo -e "AT^NDISDUP=1,1,\"Internet\"\r\n" > /dev/ttyUSB3 |
| 17:42.19 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: it is a map of where things go in the virtual filesystem hierarchy. Debian tends to adhere to that when deciding where things go |
| 17:42.33 | SebastianRasor01 | Ok, is there a way I can make a .desktop execute everything inside a folder instead of just one program? |
| 17:42.41 | Olof_szary | instead of Internet - refer to internet provider what to connect to |
| 17:42.45 | SynrG | i don't know what that means |
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| 17:42.51 | SynrG | what is "everything"? |
| 17:42.59 | Olof_szary | and then ifconfig wwan0 up && dhclient wwan0 |
| 17:43.04 | SebastianRasor01 | all executable programs |
| 17:43.05 | greycat | I think he wants for f in "$dir"/*; do "$f"; done |
| 17:43.13 | greycat | but I don't know how to express that in dot-desktop |
| 17:43.18 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: under what circumstances is this a useful thing to do? |
| 17:43.46 | SynrG | greycat: with a sh command passing it that as its command argument? |
| 17:44.02 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Thanks! Commented out line 5 and apt update && apt dist-upgrade went through. |
| 17:44.10 | SynrG | greycat: if it's executable, you can put it in the Exec= line |
| 17:44.14 | SebastianRasor01 | if I had other scripts that I wanted to run on startup but I didn't want to put into my run.py |
| 17:44.44 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: i see. i would advise against making one script "do it all" and giving it sweeping permissions to do that |
| 17:44.45 | greycat | SynrG: can you put a line of /bin/sh code? |
| 17:44.53 | SynrG | or did i misunderstand you? |
| 17:45.03 | SynrG | greycat: i don't see why not ... |
| 17:45.31 | SynrG | grep -r Exec=.*/sh /usr/share/applications/ |
| 17:45.44 | SynrG | /usr/share/applications/netbeans-6.8.desktop:Exec=/bin/sh "/opt/netbeans-6.8/bin/netbeans" |
| 17:45.51 | SynrG | hmm |
| 17:45.59 | SynrG | /usr/share/applications/screensavers/shadebobs.desktop:Exec=/usr/lib/xscreensaver/shadebobs -root |
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| 17:46.07 | SynrG | greycat: two instances in the wild :) |
| 17:46.08 | SebastianRasor01 | I think so, I'm talking about having a folder with my run.py, and any other scripts that I needed to run on startup. |
| 17:46.14 | SebastianRasor01 | I wouldnt change any permissions |
| 17:46.26 | SynrG | oh wait |
| 17:46.32 | SynrG | false hit on the second one, haha |
| 17:47.04 | SynrG | should've been: grep -r 'Exec=.*/sh\b' /usr/share/applications/ |
| 17:47.07 | greycat | SynrG: OK, then SebastianRasor01 could use Exec=/bin/sh -c 'for f in /some/dir/*; do test -x "$f" && "$f"; done' |
| 17:47.21 | SynrG | seems about right |
| 17:47.45 | SebastianRasor01 | Alright, so that tests if it's executable, and if it is it executes it? |
| 17:48.08 | greycat | yes |
| 17:48.08 | SynrG | the other way to do this is to script-generate individual .desktop files per things living in /some/dir |
| 17:48.23 | SynrG | that has the advantage that you can use the ordinary desktop mechanism for disabling things to autostart |
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| 17:48.38 | SynrG | i.e. leave it in place, but modify the .desktop file to disable starting it |
| 17:48.39 | SebastianRasor01 | I'd rather not have to make a new .desktop for every script |
| 17:48.45 | SynrG | just saying. probably cleaner :) |
| 17:48.46 | greycat | I'm assuming the quote-parsing of Exec= is what I expect it to be. |
| 17:48.52 | ultimaq | epiphany |
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| 17:48.58 | ultimaq | sorry about that |
| 17:49.22 | SynrG | greycat: i'm assuming there's no quote-parsing at all, and that whole thing is just passed verbatim to /bin/sh |
| 17:49.28 | Ori_B | well, this is fun. |
| 17:49.35 | Ori_B | I have a system which can't ping localhost. |
| 17:49.36 | SynrG | it reads the args list and "does the right thing" |
| 17:50.12 | greycat | Needs testing. |
| 17:50.48 | greycat | Ori_B: check /etc/hosts and /etc/nsswitch.conf first |
| 17:51.05 | greycat | Ori_B: also, what error do you get? |
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| 17:52.12 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): So how to flag about this bug in stretch http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/292350/debian-gnome-touchpad-settings-missing-use-libinput-instead-of-synaptics then? |
| 17:52.49 | maziar | I connect my camera HDMI output to my Debian laptop, and i want to record it, how should i do it? |
| 17:53.01 | greycat | M-alex_mayorga: figure out which package is responsible. Check for existing bugs at http://bugs.debian.org/pkgname. If an existing bug, add to it. If no bug yet, file a new bug. |
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| 17:54.09 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: ah, right, back to the original problem :) |
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| 17:55.18 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Yup! =) Still no "tap to click" |
| 17:55.24 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: not sure if it's a bug ... if you run testing, this is just life. you can have issues that are just because things aren't finished yet ... |
| 17:55.32 | SynrG | did you see the very last comment on that page? |
| 17:55.35 | SynrG | "apt-get purge xserver-xorg-input-synaptics" |
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| 17:55.44 | SynrG | that's what one user reported was all that was needed. |
| 17:55.48 | ultimaq | hey guys I was wondering how to downgrade webkit for use on epiphany |
| 17:55.58 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Yup! I'm yet to reboot, but hopefully then touchpad settings would be back. |
| 17:56.32 | Ori_B | greycat: I can resolve the host just fine. |
| 17:56.37 | Ori_B | but the socket times out connecting to it. |
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| 17:56.56 | Ori_B | well. trying with telnet. |
| 17:56.56 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: also if you continue running stretch, we support that on #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 17:57.04 | Ori_B | with ping it just drops all packets. |
| 17:57.21 | Ori_B | greycat: also, it works over v6, but not v4 |
| 17:57.21 | greycat | Ori_B: OK, not a name resolution issue? Then look at your firewall. |
| 17:57.35 | greycat | Or whatever you changed in syscto. |
| 17:57.37 | greycat | sysctl* |
| 17:57.39 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Thanks! Good to know. |
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| 17:58.02 | SynrG | greycat: unfortunately, purging of old crap from your system can't be achieved with just a change of deps, otherwise an upgrade of xorg-input-all (or so) could just conflict with the obsolete synaptics ... |
| 17:58.10 | Ori_B | greycat: ...wat. |
| 17:58.11 | SynrG | if a purge is *really* an integral part of the solution |
| 17:58.16 | Ori_B | greycat: firewall rules are it. |
| 17:58.26 | SynrG | the article M-alex_mayorga linked implied it was |
| 17:58.27 | Ori_B | but.DROP all -- localhost anywhere |
| 17:58.29 | Ori_B | but... wtf. |
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| 17:59.22 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga: in general, you would use the 'reportbug' tool, but i'm not sure against which package you'd file it ... |
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| 18:00.22 | gebruiker | the fonts on ubuntu look much better, espesially with browsing than on my debian installation. any recommendations to get the ubuntu quality? |
| 18:00.48 | greycat | SynrG: so it would go in a postinst script, probably. |
| 18:01.03 | SynrG | M-alex_mayorga, greycat: looking at xserver-xorg-input-all, it does not depend on synaptics. that's good. in jessie, it did |
| 18:01.05 | M-alex_mayorga | gebruiker (IRC): Get Ubuntu to upstream their fonts =) |
| 18:01.11 | SynrG | so in the normal case, it would be subject to autoremoval |
| 18:01.29 | SynrG | so if someone did "apt-get autoremove --purge" after upgrading jessie -> stretch, that would take care of it |
| 18:01.32 | croddy | it's not the font files themselves. it's a combination of their lcdfilter, their factory default fontconfigs, and their builds of the web browsers |
| 18:01.45 | croddy | if you really care about getting the ubuntu font look the best and easiest way to do that is to install ubuntu |
| 18:02.02 | SynrG | greycat: putting a purge in a postinst script is questionable. wouldn't that be "destroying precious files" without the user's permission? |
| 18:02.25 | croddy | there is not really universal agreement on what it is for font rendering to look "better", though, so if you want to stay on debian then you should learn about how the font rendering system works and start writing your own fonts.conf to set it up as you like |
| 18:02.32 | greycat | SynrG: I was thinking "rm -f a specific file that we know will cause grief if it is present", but I can see how it's a sticky issue. |
| 18:02.39 | SynrG | yes :) |
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| 18:02.54 | james1988 | hello |
| 18:03.07 | gebruiker | croddy, your assumptions are faulty |
| 18:03.13 | SynrG | greycat: i think i'd want to talk to #debian-x before filing such a bug. i don't want to just make work :/ |
| 18:03.43 | SynrG | and then i'd want to compare the results of gnome-on-stretch with xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed, and then removed, vs. installed, and then purged. |
| 18:03.44 | croddy | gebruiker i don't intend to get into an extended argument about this, but i am obviously unaware of any faulty assumptions i have made |
| 18:04.06 | SynrG | and this is the point at which i get bored of the problem and shrug |
| 18:04.28 | SynrG | hoping someone else (who cares about gnome!) will go the extra mile and do thiis |
| 18:04.29 | SynrG | this* |
| 18:04.37 | gebruiker | croddy, i did not want to make an extensive argument telling what I did and did not do, I am interested in hearing about your insights into this matter basedupon your own experiences |
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| 18:05.26 | gebruiker | croddy, so inductive wise |
| 18:05.35 | gebruiker | instead of deductive |
| 18:06.20 | croddy | my experience is that you should enable rgb subpixel antialiasing, use slight hinting, disable all embedded bitmaps, avoid unusual fonts, and give up permanently on the dream of fonts ever looking good in firefox. your mileage may vary. |
| 18:06.40 | SebastianRasor01 | SynrG, I found a really easily solution to what I was asking |
| 18:06.45 | SebastianRasor01 | run-parts |
| 18:06.55 | croddy | (and use the default lcdfilter) |
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| 18:07.16 | administ2ator | okay |
| 18:07.18 | administ2ator | I am the usb drive guy |
| 18:07.28 | administ2ator | had 2 reboot |
| 18:07.42 | administ2ator | so your suggestion would be to ? |
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| 18:09.08 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: ah, yes. forgot about run-parts |
| 18:09.17 | SynrG | but that's routinely used in packaging |
| 18:09.45 | SebastianRasor01 | What do you mean by that? |
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| 18:10.11 | administ2ator | btw sudo fdisk -l doesn't show the usb device |
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| 18:10.16 | SynrG | i mean, "in another life i saw this" |
| 18:10.24 | administ2ator | after lsusb |
| 18:10.31 | SynrG | but then forgot, so didn't mention it (not in the right context to remember :) |
| 18:10.31 | SebastianRasor01 | Oh, so it's fine to use? |
| 18:10.43 | SynrG | just making excuses for not telling you about it ;) |
| 18:10.45 | SynrG | it's fine to use |
| 18:10.57 | SebastianRasor01 | Alright, I was a bit confused lol |
| 18:11.12 | SebastianRasor01 | Now I got my startup situation all figured out |
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| 18:11.21 | SynrG | i mean, i should've known, since i've seen it in action before ... |
| 18:11.23 | SebastianRasor01 | It should be super easy to add a new script |
| 18:11.26 | SebastianRasor01 | oh |
| 18:11.33 | SebastianRasor01 | i understand now |
| 18:11.38 | SynrG | i can't even use the excuse that i'm 50 yet ... not for another 2 months |
| 18:12.03 | SebastianRasor01 | Are you blonde? |
| 18:12.14 | SynrG | nope. can't use that either |
| 18:12.22 | SebastianRasor01 | I got nothing lol |
| 18:12.26 | SynrG | i carry blond genes ... |
| 18:12.35 | SebastianRasor01 | ^ |
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| 18:12.45 | SebastianRasor01 | I say that I was super blonde when i was a baby |
| 18:12.53 | SebastianRasor01 | That usually doesnt work though |
| 18:12.57 | SebastianRasor01 | my hair is almost black now |
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| 18:13.37 | SynrG | :) ... anyway, #debian-offtopic |
| 18:13.47 | SynrG | and i'm out. commute home by bike |
| 18:13.49 | SynrG | later |
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| 18:14.11 | SebastianRasor01 | wait |
| 18:14.17 | SebastianRasor01 | You should get an engine kit |
| 18:14.18 | M-alex_mayorga | SynrG (IRC): Be safe out there =) |
| 18:14.35 | SebastianRasor01 | Super fuel efficient and very fun to ride and maintain. |
| 18:14.50 | M-alex_mayorga | administ2ator (IRC): Pleas paste the full line of lsusb that you suspect is the 4G stick. |
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| 18:16.06 | administ2ator | Bus 001 Device 005: ID 12d1:157c Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. |
| 18:16.51 | administ2ator | my isp description shows instructions as a self installing PC mobile internet usb device |
| 18:17.01 | administ2ator | and I agree |
| 18:17.04 | administ2ator | in windows it works |
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| 18:17.42 | administ2ator | what would be the line of work here to put this thing working |
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| 18:17.54 | administ2ator | do I need to reverse engineer the windows binary? |
| 18:18.08 | administ2ator | what the installer does etc... |
| 18:18.10 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: and totally defeats the purpose :) |
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| 18:18.24 | administ2ator | I suspect it will install a usb-network driver |
| 18:19.01 | SynrG | SebastianRasor01: started cycling this summer after being given a bike, and that replaced my normal mostly walking commute ... which is to enjoy nature and get exercise. |
| 18:19.33 | SynrG | half the commute is on trails (well, except this week: travel ban in effect due to forest fires) |
| 18:20.06 | SynrG | ok, truly gone. seeya :) |
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| 18:22.06 | SebastianRasor01 | alright |
| 18:22.09 | SebastianRasor01 | have fun |
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| 18:22.25 | ultimaq | trying to manage webkit and make epiphany work better, its not even sid's fault #thejoyoflinux |
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| 18:33.42 | SebastianRasor01 | LOL |
| 18:33.50 | SebastianRasor01 | Google support page put this up: |
| 18:33.58 | SebastianRasor01 | We apologize for any inconvenience you are experiencing with Pokémon Go. Please contact the developer Niantic with any issues. Google Play support agents are unable to resolve this issue at this time. |
| 18:34.36 | greycat | (how is this related to debian?) |
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| 18:39.03 | v1s | is it possible to use wparoam on multible interfaces with different configs |
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| 18:40.38 | Xin | hey guys my debian install cant resolve hostnames on my LAN |
| 18:40.46 | Xin | im new to debian, used to ubuntu heh |
| 18:40.50 | SebastianRasor01 | greycat, wrong chat, my bad. |
| 18:40.55 | Xin | I changed my hostname and have network connectivity |
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| 18:46.31 | Xin | all fixed |
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| 19:10.44 | SebastianRasor01 | Does anyone here have a Yubikey? Mine works but the personalization GUI won't pick it up. |
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| 19:35.49 | ocmurf | anyone know of a good guide for what to do if debian doesnt show up in grub menu after moving from stable to testing and running aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 19:36.15 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 19:36.15 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:37.59 | yeezi | Struggling to boot into installer mode with a liveusb |
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| 19:38.20 | yeezi | Running Windows 10 on dell latitude e5550 |
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| 19:38.27 | missmbob | yeezi: live doesn't support uefi. |
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| 19:39.05 | yeezi | How should I mount the iso onto my usb stick please? |
| 19:39.44 | missmbob | yeezi: use this iso http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 19:39.46 | up2late | that google thing must be hard to use |
| 19:39.59 | missmbob | yeezi: then if you're using windows use this to make the usb (dont use ANY other tool): |
| 19:40.05 | missmbob | !win32diskimager |
| 19:40.05 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 19:41.54 | yeezi | Thanks @missmbob , I tried using win32 but I encountered an error message early on. I'll try again when I get home. After that it's as simple as restarting my pc with the usb plugged in right ? |
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| 19:42.11 | missmbob | yeezi: should be |
| 19:42.39 | jmcnaught | yeezi: taking a look at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual is also recommended :) |
| 19:42.45 | missmbob | yeezi: make sure you use the exact iso i linked you to. that has uefi support and hopefully works with your wifi (it includes firmware unlike other isos) |
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| 19:44.30 | yeezi | Thank you! I'll try it and report back |
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| 20:07.25 | rossoanto | ciao |
| 20:07.30 | rossoanto | !list |
| 20:07.31 | dpkg | rossoanto: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 20:08.14 | M-alex_mayorga | administ2ator (IRC): https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Huawei_E367 |
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| 20:10.33 | jhutchins | M-alex_mayorga: He didn't stick around. |
| 20:10.52 | M-alex_mayorga | Duh! =) |
| 20:11.06 | jhutchins | M-alex_mayorga: Most IRC clients will tab-complete a nick if the user is still in-channel. |
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| 20:11.40 | M-alex_mayorga | jhutchins (IRC): Not vector.im at the time =( |
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| 20:24.16 | vhf | anyone using debian 8.4? I'm trying to know which GCC version was used to build its python3 binary, so if someone could simple run $ python3 and give me the line containing '[GCC x.x.x]' it'd be helpful :) |
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| 20:25.52 | jmcnaught | vhf: GCC 4.9.1. Most (or maybe all) software in Debian 8 will be built with the same GCC version |
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| 20:26.04 | vhf | many thanks jmcnaught! |
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| 20:30.04 | ultimaq | why is epiphany being such a jerk -_- |
| 20:30.37 | ultimaq | seriously why don't you just let me love you, why cant you be like midori epiph WHY~! |
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| 20:35.24 | yeezi_ | All files in one partition or seperate home partition |
| 20:35.25 | yeezi_ | ? |
| 20:36.22 | greycat | I'm a strong proponent of /home being separate. |
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| 20:36.51 | yeezi_ | Can you explain the advantages please? |
| 20:36.53 | greycat | If you ever have to reinstall, or if you ever want to dual-boot and share /home between them, it becomes so much simpler. |
| 20:37.06 | yeezi_ | Okay thank you, any drawbacks? |
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| 20:38.03 | greycat | You might accidentally make it too small, or too large, or whatever. Same drawback with any other multi-partition scheme that isn't using logical volumes. |
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| 20:39.08 | yeezi_ | Thanks, I'm using the guided partitioning for my first install so I'm going to follow your advice with a seperate home! |
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| 20:40.58 | user212312 | Why /etc/profile.d/* are not being sourced when I login? Debian 8 |
| 20:41.17 | ultimaq | anyone have a good and lightweight webbrowser to use? |
| 20:42.45 | M-alex_mayorga | ultimaq (IRC): curl =) |
| 20:42.50 | winsen | does anyone know how to restaure etwork manager. I tried many ways to restore it, with dvd, to reinstall by commande line, dclient eth0, eth1.. unfortunetely it doesn't work. |
| 20:43.01 | winsen | network manager |
| 20:43.19 | ultimaq | how is curl is it easy and nice to use? |
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| 20:43.35 | ultimaq | I want something that will be a good alternative to firefox and chromium |
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| 20:45.37 | user212312 | ultimaq: what makes you think they (firefox and chrome) are heavy? |
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| 20:46.22 | greycat | Eyes. |
| 20:47.00 | greycat | Unless he's blind, in which case it's probably his ears, after the computer does some text-to-speech. |
| 20:47.09 | user212312 | greycat: do you know why my /etc/profile.d/ scripts are not being sourced? |
| 20:47.19 | greycat | Because you aren't logging in with a shell, most likely. |
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| 20:47.34 | user212312 | greycat: i am |
| 20:47.49 | greycat | Are you? You login on a text console under getty/login? Or ssh? |
| 20:48.01 | greycat | In a shell that is not csh or tcsh? |
| 20:48.07 | user212312 | su [username] |
| 20:48.16 | greycat | su without the - doesn't create a login shell |
| 20:48.22 | user212312 | ok thanks |
| 20:48.23 | ultimaq | I just want something that would work well ya know |
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| 20:49.02 | jhutchins | ultimaq: curl is not a web browser. Maybe a google search for "linux console browser"? |
| 20:49.08 | winsen | any clue guys? |
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| 20:49.26 | jhutchins | winsen: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 20:49.52 | jhutchins | winsen: Most of how NM works is how you configure it. |
| 20:49.59 | ultimaq | yea i just looked up curl and realized that he was kidding, and i just wanted to know if the community had any personal recommendations |
| 20:50.17 | Khudher | i have some (suspend/hibernation) errors, they usually happen when i use my laptop for a long time (probably when i use a lot of RAM), i have upgraded my laptop memory from 4GB to 12GB, i have no idea why does this problem occurs, but i have some doubts about not enough swap space which is 4GB, i got a 'dmesg' message saying that hibernation image not found, so maybe my ram usage was actually bigger than my swap partition |
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| 20:51.04 | croddy | ultimaq: what features do you want to give up from mozilla/chrome? |
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| 20:55.35 | jhutchins | Khudher: You can suspend-to-ram, but you can not suspend-to-disk unless your swap is at least as big as your ram |
| 20:56.10 | winsen | croddy: I tried to restore by dvd, commande line like dhclient eth0,...eth1, ...eth2, I tried to follow these steps : http://askubuntu.com/questions/55805/how-do-i-re-install-network-manager-without-an-internet-connection |
| 20:56.40 | croddy | winsen i am about to leave the office and i think you wanted to highlight someone else, not me |
| 20:57.00 | ultimaq | I would want to have contained tabs and a lightweight experience I dont really care about netflix or anything else that they bring |
| 20:57.10 | jhutchins | Khudher: Since Linux tries to make use of all of the available RAM, how much you think you've used for a program isn't relevant. |
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| 20:57.24 | winsen | croddy: do you mean that you won't be able to help? |
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| 20:58.46 | croddy | ultimaq well, if you want to render pages with the same capabilities as mozilla and chrome, and look at the same number of open tabs at the same time, then i suggest you keep using mozilla and/or chrome. the cpu and memory utilization you are noticing is simply the cost of having lots of modern webpages open at the same time. there is no secret lightweight web browser out there that uses half the resources. |
| 20:59.02 | croddy | winsen i don't even know what you are talking about |
| 20:59.38 | winsen | croddy: Do you mean that you never heard about network manager? |
| 21:00.10 | croddy | winsen i am going away now. i am locking my workstation and walking away. please pester someone else because i will not hear you anymore |
| 21:00.43 | winsen | croddy: ok bye |
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| 21:03.04 | winsen | any clue guys? |
| 21:03.06 | ultimaq | hey im loggin out as well |
| 21:03.08 | ultimaq | peace |
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| 21:11.36 | jhutchins | winsen: Please see message from dpkg regarding network manager. You have not provided enough information for any of us to have a clue. |
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| 21:15.07 | OerHeks | winsen, check with ifconfig what the adapter name is, there has been a change in interface naming / systemD. |
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| 21:16.24 | yeezi | Network unreachable after ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 21:16.35 | yeezi | Fresh install, what to do? |
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| 21:19.23 | klys | it's getting to be rather painful to keep binutils 2.25 installed so that I can still build working kernels |
| 21:19.30 | awal1 | yeezi, have you configured wired/wifi durring install? |
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| 21:20.04 | yeezi | Yes, I have used wifi and it worked fine during install |
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| 21:21.06 | awal1 | try restarting networking service |
| 21:21.19 | foormea | hi. silly question: in order to display a GUI program remotely, i'd normally ssh -X <host> then simply execute the program, and it will display on the client. is there a way to achieve this without having an X server on the server side? thanks |
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| 21:22.56 | klys | foormea, vncviewer + vnc4server |
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| 21:23.16 | foormea | mh mh http://askubuntu.com/questions/633782/how-to-start-x-application-from-ssh suggests xvfb, have you heard of it? |
| 21:23.24 | foormea | klys: i have no X running on the server side |
| 21:24.12 | klys | foormea, then you could use xvnc4viewer on the client and a vnc4viewer on the server |
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| 21:24.34 | yeezi | Tried restarting networking service , no change |
| 21:24.36 | klys | *server on the client |
| 21:24.41 | jmcnaught | foormea: normally the X server runs on the client computer. The X server manages access to the display, mouse and keyboard. |
| 21:24.58 | jmcnaught | yeezi: how have you configured networking? Are you using a GUI? |
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| 21:25.38 | yeezi | I configured networking during install and it was fine. Stupidly not using gui |
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| 21:26.09 | jmcnaught | yeezi: did you install a desktop environment, or are you on the command line only? |
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| 21:26.18 | yeezi | Cli only |
| 21:26.28 | yeezi | And now can't install a de |
| 21:26.30 | klys | *viewer on your remote machine |
| 21:26.50 | jmcnaught | yeezi: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line (make sure you also read the part about wpa_supplicant) |
| 21:26.53 | miskatonic | not everyone without a desktop is command-line only |
| 21:26.55 | foormea | uh okay nevermind me, actually it's already working, X on the client, no X on the server, works just fine. i'm just silly :D |
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| 21:28.36 | jmcnaught | miskatonic: sure, but the installer offers to install desktop environments, not window managers and this is a fresh install |
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| 21:29.10 | foormea | just had an issue with tmux and the DISPLAY variable that for some reason wasn't passed into my tmux sessions |
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| 21:29.18 | klys | has anyone else tried to build a recent 32-bit kernel with binutils 2.26 ? |
| 21:30.20 | jmcnaught | klys: you might find someone who has on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, the testing/unstable channel |
| 21:30.21 | autofsckk | hi, this is not a debian question per se, but i hope somebody here can give me some help, i transfered 1 boot partition and other 3 inside lvm from a 64G solid disk to a 320G normal disk, i also changed the size of the partitions inside lvm, i copied with dd the mbr (512) from the original disk, my question is that if i restore it on the new disk it will brake everything right? because it will restore |
| 21:30.30 | autofsckk | the partition table also? sould i ... |
| 21:30.30 | autofsckk | ... copy only the first 446 bytes? or is it better to reinstall grub or how is the best/safest way to do this? |
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| 21:31.44 | amir107 | hey |
| 21:31.47 | klys | autofsckk, you're copying partitions? how do you think you will overwrite your partition table? |
| 21:31.50 | autofsckk | i think it should be something like this dd if=/tmp/mbrsda.bak of=/dev/sdb bs=446 count=1 |
| 21:32.11 | amir107 | guys check out my friend video its about windows 10 it help you using it and fixing problems you never knew about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1nRXSxdnTo&feature=youtu.be |
| 21:32.12 | autofsckk | klys: by recovering the mbr |
| 21:32.15 | amir107 | guys check out my friend video its about windows 10 it help you using it and fixing problems you never knew about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1nRXSxdnTo&feature=youtu.be |
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| 21:32.22 | klys | autofsckk, just reinstall grub. |
| 21:33.01 | klys | grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 21:33.10 | jmcnaught | foormea: you might find xpra useful (it's like a screen/tmux for X11) but i haven't actually used it, just read about it |
| 21:33.25 | klys | make sure devices.map is correct first |
| 21:34.07 | foormea | jmcnaught: mh let me read about it, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 21:41.22 | autofsckk | klys: i took a backup with fsarchiver of every partition and ther restore it in a different disk with different size on every partition so the partition table is not going to be the same on both disk right? so if i copy the same mbr from the 64 disk to the 320G it wont work? im not really sure, i mean im not an expert thats why i am asking people here that know much more than me :D |
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| 21:41.47 | winsen | jhutchins: I am sorry, I missed your message. first time it said you NM is under mask. I tried to restart network...at the end I did fatal following command line"systemctl unmask NetworkManager-dispatcher.service" |
| 21:42.44 | klys | autofsckk, best to leave the partition table alone once it's partitioned. |
| 21:42.46 | winsen | OerHeks:how can I clean my etc/network.interfaces file and create a new one? |
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| 21:44.48 | autofsckk | klys: ok i see, look i read this http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ it mentions something recovering mbr without the partitioning part, just to put back the first 446 bytes, instead of the 512 from the complete mbr |
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| 21:46.23 | klys | autofsckk, that won't be the same. just reinstall grub. |
| 21:46.41 | winsen | now. I don't know why i can not restore it from dvd installation? |
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| 21:48.28 | winsen | jhutchins: can you please tell me how can purge/clean "etc/network.interfaces" I make it properly? |
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| 21:50.49 | yeezi | Configuring apt hangs on file 4 of 9 |
| 21:51.07 | yeezi | Tried a couple different mirrors and no luck, what to do? |
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| 21:53.44 | SerajewelKS | winsen: it depends on the names of your network devices |
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| 21:54.56 | SebastianRasor01 | Does anyone here have a Yubikey? Mine works but the personalization GUI won't pick it up. |
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| 21:55.48 | SerajewelKS | winsen: the simplest would be something like: auto lo \n iface lo inet loopback \n allow-hotplug eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp (where \n are newlines) |
| 21:55.56 | SerajewelKS | winsen: obviously this only works if your network card is eth0 |
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| 21:59.54 | b6s3d | hi guys, im having a little problem here, i am trying to install ElectricSheep and its a totally pain in the apple, i am stuck here and wish that you could help me, pls: http://pastebin.com/raw/gsn2Kx1X |
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| 22:05.17 | toruvinn | b6s3d, apt-cache search apt-cache search libwxgtk |
| 22:05.19 | toruvinn | oops |
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| 22:05.24 | toruvinn | b6s3d, well you know what, though. |
| 22:05.47 | toruvinn | b6s3d, it appears i do have those packages in wheezy. you're probably on jessie? |
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| 22:07.12 | b6s3d | Wonderful Thank you toruvinn |
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| 22:10.26 | winsen | SerajewelKS: what is the command line to know what is my network card? is this correct? http://paste.debian.net/788443/? |
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| 22:12.08 | format_c | winsen, dmesg | grep eth |
| 22:12.24 | winsen | SerajewelKS: I wonder if my "etc/network.interfaces" is not corrupted. so I need to create a new one? or just have to remove old lines? |
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| 22:13.53 | winsen | SerajewelKS: did you take a look to pastbon? is that correct? apart from eth0 that I need to verify. |
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| 22:14.09 | winsen | *on pastbin... |
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| 22:15.24 | Gerowen | Does Debian or other Linux systems support compressed NTFS partitions? |
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| 22:17.57 | missmbob | Gerowen: yes. ntfs-3g supports it |
| 22:20.22 | format_c | winsen, you have to remove the \n in your file. They just represent a newline. Also purch the leading and trailing spaces. |
| 22:20.42 | Gerowen | Was just curious, my laptop runs Windows 10 and I just picked up a 1 TB portable USB drive, but our home server runs Debian and wasn't sure if it would work if I wanted to connect the drive directly to the server. Thanks! |
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| 22:21.23 | winsen | format_c: can you pastbin a new to me please? |
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| 22:22.20 | winsen | format_c: is this correct: http://paste.debian.net/788444/ |
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| 22:22.26 | Connnor | Hi guys could anyone answer what I'm sure is an easy question |
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| 22:22.56 | Connnor | So I'm in the recovery interactive shell on d |
| 22:23.20 | format_c | winsen, yes this looks reasonable |
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| 22:24.22 | winsen | format_c: ok thanks so need to make static ip? do you think I can keep it even once I reinstall network manager and I can use either? |
| 22:24.25 | Connnor | And I want to copy my home to my hard drive on sdb1 2 or 3 |
| 22:24.46 | winsen | *then I can use either? |
| 22:25.34 | format_c | /etc/network/interfaces is AFAIK not involved if network manager takes over control. How to configure a static IP using the interfaces file is very simple: |
| 22:25.36 | format_c | man interfaces |
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| 22:28.28 | winsen | format_c: ok. So you confirm that I can use either without disabling each of them. |
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| 22:29.25 | winsen | format_c: ...and I can configure IP later. |
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| 22:29.38 | winsen | *static ip |
| 22:29.51 | SquadGoals | hello. i have a question. if i have a custom kernel (that i built on top of debian btw) how do i make it so this custom kernel also gets debian's security updates and patches? i want to stay up to date with debian's security updates and patches |
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| 22:30.00 | winsen | format_c: I 'll try now. brb |
| 22:30.07 | format_c | What's your intention with network Manager? |
| 22:30.34 | format_c | You can do nearly everything in both. the one is a text file the other is a GUI |
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| 22:49.43 | v1s | sorry not sure if some one responded I just got dc |
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| 22:51.24 | format_c | vls repeat your question |
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| 22:52.28 | v1s | I have 2 wifi interfaces I had one working fine with hostapd then I wanted to install wicd to manage the other but not working any one know how to disable wicd from taken over both interfaces |
| 22:52.31 | SquadGoals | v1s, yo |
| 22:52.31 | SquadGoals | repeat |
| 22:52.37 | v1s | yes |
| 22:54.04 | v1s | i have wlan0 setup with hostapd |
| 22:54.19 | v1s | and want to use wicd to manage wlan1 |
| 22:54.34 | v1s | but it seems to interfere with hostapd |
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| 23:05.11 | climjark | hello all! |
| 23:05.33 | jaimbo | Hi guys, I am having a problem a webserver running on a Debian VM. Basically whenever I open port 80 and point it to the webserver, the webserver suddenly starts making loads and loads of external DNS requests to random sites |
| 23:06.30 | format_c | jaimbo, which webserver? Config? |
| 23:06.54 | jaimbo | Apache2, and sorry for a silly question, but what do you mean config? |
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| 23:08.36 | jaimbo | At this point I pretty much only use it as a reverse proxy for pointing subdomains at various services running on other VM's |
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| 23:10.52 | ghaberek | jambo: are you opening port 80 using NAT on your firewall? it sounds like you're being polled on port 80 and the server is trying to reverse DNS the incoming requests. |
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| 23:12.26 | jaimbo | I'm just opening port 80 on my router and forwarding traffic to the local ip of the VM |
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| 23:19.35 | ghaberek | Right, that's what I figured. I think you're getting requests from random IP address, like a botnet or something. I've experienced before myself. |
| 23:20.53 | ghaberek | Try changing the incoming port on the router to something else. I typically use 8000 or 8080. See if those outgoing DNS requests drop off after that. |
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| 23:41.41 | fff | When will Wayland replace Xorg? |
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| 23:46.31 | bit1 | fff, hello, good question, I also make that question. |
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