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| 00:16.51 | vyadhaka | ever since I upgraded to wheezy( was on squeeze for a long time) my laptop just crashes at random, I notice this happens after waking from suspend from RAM, there is no entry in the syslog/kern.log. Where do I look to identify the issue |
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| 00:39.12 | funkadelic | vyadhaka, try asking in ##linux they're active in there right now |
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| 00:47.05 | missmbob | drjuls: unrar is in non-free. so you need to have non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list (might as well add contrib) and then apt-get update and apt-get install unrar |
| 00:47.13 | missmbob | damnit. sorry |
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| 00:47.50 | dvs | !lart missmbob |
| 00:47.50 | dpkg | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets missmbob feel it |
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| 00:48.31 | missmbob | dvs: that sounds like it might be nice... :P |
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| 00:50.39 | funkadelic | i used an aol free cd to call 911 when i was a ltitle kid, my stepdad was in a psychotic cocaine induced rage, he smashed all of the phones but didnt think about the computer |
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| 00:52.35 | drjuls | missmbob: I got here. I downloaded .targz file and copied to / bin |
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| 00:53.09 | drjuls | missmbob: now I can unpack and create .rar |
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| 00:57.56 | Sabotender | missmbob: much better! I think part of the issue was that I initially use separate partitions for the folders |
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| 00:58.03 | Sabotender | so it left very little for some thigns |
| 00:58.05 | Sabotender | I guess |
| 00:58.06 | Sabotender | lol |
| 00:58.23 | missmbob | Sabotender: yep. that's probably #1 newbie error when they try to do that |
| 00:59.20 | missmbob | Sabotender: which de did you pick this time? |
| 01:00.15 | Sabotender | oh lxde again |
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| 01:37.23 | ungahusak | hai... |
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| 01:42.29 | _0xbadc0de | hi there |
| 01:42.55 | _0xbadc0de | is there any way I can test if my linux's repos are working properly? |
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| 01:44.37 | mutante | _0xbadc0de: apt-get update .. would show if you can talk to them for one... |
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| 02:16.33 | terminalmage | For packages that provide a multi-process service, if the service triggers an apt-get update to update itself, this also happens to trigger a service restart. because the default way systemd stops services is to kill all procs in the cgroup, this can sometimes interrupt the apt-get command and put the package database in a bad state. So, what is the best way to handle this? Is there something that you can add |
| 02:16.35 | terminalmage | to the control file before building the package to suppress the service restart, and handle the restart manually once the package update is complete? |
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| 02:19.31 | _0xbadc0de | whats the default conf in /etc/resolv.cong |
| 02:19.33 | _0xbadc0de | whats the default conf in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:20.18 | missmbob | _0xbadc0de: really nothing until you tell the installer what to put in it |
| 02:20.22 | missmbob | _0xbadc0de: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#The_resolv.conf_configuration_file |
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| 02:34.21 | un214 | what's the replacement for sirc? |
| 02:36.46 | jmcnaught | terminalmage: which database are you talking about? doesn't it have ExecStop= defined? |
| 02:37.14 | terminalmage | jmcnaught: dpkg |
| 02:37.17 | terminalmage | and no, it does not |
| 02:38.47 | jmcnaught | terminalmage: oh i see, i misread at first. so which service is calling apt-get update and getting restarted when that happens? |
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| 02:40.00 | jmcnaught | terminalmage: anyways i believe there are debhelper scripts for systemd.. are you already using debhelper? |
| 02:40.42 | un214 | Is petn-randall here? |
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| 02:44.27 | terminalmage | jmcnaught: this is for SaltStack. when it runs an apt-get update to update itself, it triggers a service restart. that service restart kills all procs, killing the process which executed the apt-get command. We've used KillMode=process in the unit file to ensure that the main PID is killed, but I'm in the process of adding systemd-notify support so that we can set Type=notify in the unit file and then notify |
| 02:44.28 | terminalmage | systemd directly once the process starts. Problem with this is, this approach doesn't seem to be compatible with KillMode=process. |
| 02:44.34 | terminalmage | The child PIDs never get stoppped |
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| 02:46.19 | terminalmage | jmcnaught: I'm not sure, I'm actually not the packager... just looking for information at this point. |
| 02:46.19 | jmcnaught | terminalmage: does saltstack have a way to say "wait for this process to finish"? |
| 02:47.18 | terminalmage | jmcnaught: not that I'm aware... shell commands are triggered using Python's subprocess.Popen() |
| 02:48.12 | terminalmage | It's something I can investigate though |
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| 02:50.05 | jmcnaught | terminalmage: i don't know saltstack very well, but in ansible there is http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/wait_for_module.html |
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| 02:52.23 | terminalmage | jmcnaught: yeah but this seems like salt's requisites, we have a couple that let you wait to trigger one action until a condition has been met |
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| 02:53.03 | terminalmage | this implies that what you're waiting for though is some other action that Ansible/Salt is taking |
| 02:53.31 | terminalmage | in this case though, we have the post-upgrade triggering a service restart, and this is happening out-of-band, so to speak |
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| 02:54.50 | terminalmage | best way I can think of to handle this is to specially handle SIGTERM |
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| 02:55.08 | terminalmage | which seems icky |
| 02:55.35 | terminalmage | unless I can find a way to just keep the automatic restart from happening in the post-upgrade |
| 02:56.29 | jmcnaught | terminalmage: does saltstack always get restarted, or only when its package is upgraded? maybe in a saltstack channel someone has a strategy for dealing with this problem |
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| 02:57.06 | terminalmage | nah this is specifically something that happens with the .deb package |
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| 02:58.12 | jmcnaught | i mean it seems like a saltstack problem that other people using saltstack and debian must have encountered so it wouldn't hurt to ask |
| 02:58.17 | terminalmage | I'm a core dev for salt so I grok the code well enough. but I'm not very knowledgable about making .deb packages |
| 02:58.43 | terminalmage | I'm hoping to find some information that I can pass on to the packager |
| 03:00.09 | terminalmage | and I'm familiar enough with the problems people have with triggering the package upgrade from within salt, and the ways that people work around it. I'm working to make sure people don't _have_ to work around it. |
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| 03:01.18 | terminalmage | Hence asking about ways to prevent the upgrade causing a service restart. |
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| 03:02.29 | terminalmage | this happens when manually running apt-get upgrade from the shell, so it's not a problem internal to salt. it's part of the post-upgrade when the package is upgraded. |
| 03:03.07 | jmcnaught | terminalmage: could you have saltstack make a separate saltstack-apt-upgrade.service that it starts, so the apt-get process is running in a different service cgroup than the saltstack process? |
| 03:03.20 | un214 | let me guess; the service restart killed the upgrade process |
| 03:04.47 | un214 | sounds like a job for nohup |
| 03:04.50 | rklopfer | is there a way to use update-alternatives install without creating a sym link? i'm trying to do something like `sudo update-alternatives --install NOLINK x-terminal-emulator /usr/bin/termoinology 10` |
| 03:05.39 | un214 | no there isn't |
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| 03:07.23 | terminalmage | jmcnaught: I suppose. I would probably need to modify the apt module to recognize that it's upgrading salt itself and handle those cases specially. Seems like a dirty hack that I'd rather avoid, but I'll definitely keep it in consideration |
| 03:07.51 | HumanDebug | Anyone get a AwUS052NH to work? |
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| 03:10.01 | jmcnaught | terminalmage: perhaps using systemd-run to run the upgrade process in a different .service or .scope unit |
| 03:11.33 | jmcnaught | terminalmage: and instead of using a special case for when saltstack's package is being upgraded, just always use a separate scope for apt-get upgrade |
| 03:12.23 | terminalmage | jmcnaught: I've never used .scope, I'll do some RTFMing. thanks for the idea |
| 03:12.23 | jmcnaught | there may be a better solution with directives in the saltstack service unit, have you asked in #systemd? |
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| 03:13.01 | terminalmage | jmcnaught: I have not, but I was planning on doing so |
| 03:13.19 | jmcnaught | terminalmage: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ControlGroupInterface/ and then of course systemd-run(1) but you may find a better solution from the #systemd folks |
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| 03:15.20 | terminalmage | yeah. I'm pretty sure that any version of debian/ubuntu/etc. which uses systemd would have version 205 or newer, so this looks like it may prove fruitful |
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| 03:16.13 | jmcnaught | terminalmage: i hope you find a solution. sorry for any confusion i brought to the process earlier ;) |
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| 03:17.58 | terminalmage | jmcnaught: no problem :) |
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| 03:25.28 | g5095 | Hello, I have a package 'libimobiledevice6:amd64' that is not configured, and is blocking me installing anything with apt. I can't remove it with apt or dpkg. It just says: 'dpkg: error processing package libimobiledevice6:amd64 (--configure): package is in a very bad inconsistent state; you should reinstall it before attempting configuration.' .. but I cannot install it, or delete it, or purge it |
| 03:25.55 | g5095 | just keeps giving the same error no matter what I try |
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| 03:28.45 | themill | g5095: are you running sid or stretch? |
| 03:34.24 | g5095 | themill: ubuntu |
| 03:34.43 | themill | g5095: you'd need to ask #ubuntu about the package then |
| 03:34.58 | g5095 | I'm not asking about the package, I'm asking about the package management system |
| 03:35.04 | g5095 | I don't really care about the package |
| 03:35.09 | g5095 | I want to nuke it |
| 03:35.12 | themill | Your package manager comes from Ubuntu. |
| 03:35.21 | g5095 | dpkg? |
| 03:35.28 | g5095 | debian package manager? |
| 03:35.29 | themill | Does this look like #dpkg ? |
| 03:35.42 | un214 | !dpkg |
| 03:35.42 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 03:36.13 | g5095 | well, thanks for your wisdom |
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| 03:39.24 | system-x | anyone use google apps here? |
| 03:40.14 | sypher | !polls |
| 03:40.15 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 03:43.02 | Illuminato | hello |
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| 03:45.24 | system-x | what the hell is this bullshit |
| 03:45.32 | system-x | dont !polls me |
| 03:45.34 | system-x | just answer the question |
| 03:45.51 | system-x | 1000 users in here and youre all limp dicked until the right questions asked? |
| 03:45.53 | system-x | you kidding me |
| 03:45.55 | system-x | this place is a shithole |
| 03:46.02 | system-x | shut it down and kill yourselves |
| 03:46.04 | sypher | system-x: Bye. |
| 03:47.25 | Xin | lol |
| 03:47.31 | sypher | Self-solving problem. |
| 03:47.36 | Xin | ^^ |
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| 04:01.03 | un214 | lol / small loss |
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| 04:10.23 | vyadhaka | since I upgraded to Debian jessie, encountering random crashes after resuming from sleep, when the crash happens, the screen is blank and none of the buttons on the keyboard have any effect, have to do a hard reboot. this only happens after resuming from sleep. I dont see any errors in syslog or kern.log, any suggestions? |
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| 04:13.46 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: what video drivers are you using? are you able to try network access to the frozen computer (ssh from another computer on the LAN perhaps)? If you enable persistent journals (see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian) i can show you a command to check the last few lines of logs of every boot |
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| 04:15.03 | SlazO | Good Morning |
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| 04:17.46 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: "for boot in $(journalctl --list-boots | awk '{print $2;}'); do journalctl --boot $boot --lines 20; done | less" this looks at the last 20 lines of every boot in the journal, which i have found useful for debugging issues like this (looking for patterns in the last few messages) |
| 04:17.52 | starstuff | After reboot the 144Hz refresh rate setting reverts back to the default of 60Hz. How do I make it persist? |
| 04:20.27 | SlazO | xorg.conf |
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| 04:21.44 | SlazO | or xrandr |
| 04:22.34 | SlazO | something like: xrandr --output HDMI1 --mode 1920x1080 --rate 144 |
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| 04:23.11 | FreshDumbledore | hi, i just installed the proprietary nvidia drivers and miss the nvidia-xconfig tool. apt tells me there is no such package. im on jessie and followed the official instruction guide on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 04:23.23 | Xin | holy shit 144hz |
| 04:23.26 | Xin | thats insanity |
| 04:25.25 | SlazO | FreshDumbledore: Did you installed nvidia-xconfig from the contrib repo? |
| 04:25.52 | starstuff | FreshDumbledore: aptitude install nvidia-settings |
| 04:26.56 | FreshDumbledore | SlazO, thx, lacked the contrib keyword in my sources file :) |
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| 04:27.35 | starstuff | yeah, it's a contrib package |
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| 04:31.58 | vyadhaka | jmcnaught: I think it's a hard lock up, ok got ssh access from another PC (couldn't find gufw under gnome, apparently another bug, Gnome sucks big time). I will check ssh access next time it crashes. |
| 04:33.13 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_alt_sysrq_key this might come in handy too |
| 04:33.36 | vyadhaka | jmcnaught: is systemd default in jessie? |
| 04:34.06 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: yes |
| 04:34.22 | SlazO | yes..:( |
| 04:34.37 | jmcnaught | sysvinit and upstart are also available, more stuff is likely to work properly with systemd since it's the default |
| 04:36.28 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: it's very unlikely that this problem has anything to do with your init system though.. it's more likely an issue with Xorg or a video driver not coming out of suspend cleanly but still locking up the screen |
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| 04:40.34 | vyadhaka | jmcnaught: I agree, ok have the journal setup for systemd, suspended the sys, |
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| 04:42.53 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: this trick of looking at the final log entries fromm previous boots is going to pay more dividends once you have a few boots to compare for clues, but it's good that you now have it in place in case you don't find a solution right away |
| 04:43.21 | vyadhaka | jmcnaught: by the way got Nvidia proprietary driver |
| 04:43.55 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: it's worth testing with nouveau then |
| 04:44.47 | freakyy | hi all. is anyone interested in a shell on a debian server= im giving away 1 free shell account for free. |
| 04:44.57 | freakyy | on my private server :) |
| 04:45.24 | han-solo | why would you wanna do that? |
| 04:45.58 | han-solo | especially to a stranger? :/ |
| 04:46.12 | freakyy | because im a nice person and because i like to know people who have some knowledge, and provide them with something i can give. i wanna support people who are interested etc. |
| 04:46.22 | freakyy | han-solo: well ... we would get to know each other ;D |
| 04:46.50 | freakyy | it's a good server and rented and its in some datacenter ;) |
| 04:47.15 | han-solo | well, good luck |
| 04:47.47 | freakyy | thanks ;D |
| 04:48.01 | freakyy | it runs debian 8.5 |
| 04:48.05 | vyadhaka | jmcnaught: the update from sqeeze to wheezy was a mess, the wrong nvidia driver got installed and same with jessie, it figures out the chip spec correctly but goes and installs the wrong dirver. I think I tried nouveau and it did not work so stayed with nvidia one |
| 04:48.23 | SlazO | han-solo: It's a trap o.O :D |
| 04:48.30 | han-solo | don't mention |
| 04:48.31 | vyadhaka | also when did they move back to firefox from iceweasel ? |
| 04:48.54 | han-solo | :) |
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| 04:49.33 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: there's a security announcement about it, DSA-3600 i think. did you follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes both times? |
| 04:50.23 | vyadhaka | vyadhaka: yes, always do, I did not see anything regarding nvidia issues in the RN, or are you talking abt firefox? |
| 04:51.37 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: release notes for the upgrades.. i don't think there's any chip detection, it just upgrades the packages. firefox-esr is DSA-3600 |
| 04:53.06 | vyadhaka | jmcnaught: I checked the logs after the upgrades and there was some logic about identifying the chip and then installing the appropriate driver, both times it caused me headaches |
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| 04:54.35 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: oh.. well i might suggest switching to nouveau before upgrading, then reinstalling nvidia if it has given you trouble. debian obviously doesn't have as much control over how well the nvidia drivers integrate with the rest of the system |
| 04:55.20 | vyadhaka | jmcnaught: I did not file a bug report because, this is not my main system anymore, just a backup but loved the stability of squeeze, would have stayed on it forever if not for browser incompatibilities |
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| 04:56.36 | hiya | I am looking for advice on whether or not should I switch my laptop with Intel® Core⢠i5-4210U CPU @ 1.70GHz à 4 | 4 GB Ram | from Stable to testing/stretch owing to performance issues |
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| 04:57.50 | sypher | hiya: What performance issues are you having, and why do you think that moving to testing will solve them? |
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| 04:58.09 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: my experience on jessie has been very positive, but i do not use proprietary drivers |
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| 04:58.25 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: anyways good luck finding clues to research, i've gotta go |
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| 04:59.25 | vyadhaka | jmcnaught: thanks for your help, it's been over a year since I was here last, always a great place to visit. cheers |
| 04:59.33 | hiya | sypher, latest Intel graphics drivers and linux features don't you think it might give it a push? |
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| 05:00.18 | hiya | performance related and graphics related, like when I start firefox, for a flash it shows correctly only on half of the screen and then full display is correct, and the laptop's performance is sluggish and slow, I run Firefox with video running, a terminal windows, Hexchat, tor-browser and sometimes openvpn too |
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| 05:02.43 | sypher | hiya: And what changelog entries in the stretch packages lead you to believe that testing is the cure? I can't tell you "no, don't waste your time," but I CAN tell you that if you have to ask us if testing will fix your problem, 1) it probably won't and 2) you shouldn't anyway. Testing can be expected to break at certain times, and also does not receive timely security updates. |
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| 05:05.03 | hiya | sypher, ah? Do you know Files would just freeze when you type anything in it rapidly? |
| 05:05.06 | hiya | What could be the issue? |
| 05:05.11 | hiya | Anyone else can confirm it? |
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| 05:09.51 | sypher | hiya: Well, I can't imagine that a very weak dual-core CPU is going to be a blazing performer. But no, I can't say that I've seen that behavior. |
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| 05:17.56 | hiya | sypher, heh, so it is very weak ? :D I did not know |
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| 05:32.38 | _rubik | Hey guys. I was having a few issues with ipv4 vs ipv6 and my VPN + DNS.. I was leaking to my ISP because my VPN doesnt support ipv6. |
| 05:33.13 | _rubik | So I set the network manager connection ipv6 to ignore, and added the OpenVPN DNS to ipv4. But when I check with ip addr ls, my inet6 still pops up. |
| 05:33.33 | _rubik | Is there a way to disable ipv6 entirley... |
| 05:34.26 | jelly | !noipv6 |
| 05:34.27 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 05:34.28 | Dagger | just use a VPN that supports v6 |
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| 05:35.03 | _rubik | Dagger: That is true. But I like PIA for a number of reasons. |
| 05:35.18 | Dagger | we are well beyond the point where the appropriate response to any and all v6 issues is "disable v6" |
| 05:35.20 | _rubik | that.. and the network im ususally on all year is ipv4 only. |
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| 05:35.56 | bibble | _rubik: I'm looking into openvpn ipv6 too. think you've got to put 'push route address' settings in server config too, and use proto udp6 |
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| 05:36.45 | _rubik | bibble: Well the issue is, PIA (my vpn service) doesn't support udp6 yet. So IPv6 + their .opvn is pretty out of the question. |
| 05:36.59 | bibble | ah, see |
| 05:38.44 | bibble | such a horrible thing across the web at the moment really. all these providers and tutorials, not informing users that they are still using their origin ipv6. terrible |
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| 05:41.40 | _rubik | bibble: Yeah I'm speaking with someone over there, and he's bascially saying "I'll bring it up with the dev team" |
| 05:41.58 | _rubik | Which means, 2+ more years... I might just make my open OpenVPN serv.. |
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| 05:44.25 | bibble | Right. Though I haven't managed to get ipv4 & ipv6 working on same vpn connection. living with poor man's ssh vpn. fine for Linux OS, but still looking for an android solution . ;_; |
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| 05:46.59 | sypher | I have successfully built a dual-stack OpenVPN server. |
| 05:47.22 | sypher | So it can indeed be done. You just have to have a large enough v6 address space to allow OpenVPN to have its own /64. |
| 05:47.59 | bibble | sypher: each connection have it's own /64 ? |
| 05:48.21 | sypher | bibble: No, the OpenVPN service as a whole must have a /64. |
| 05:48.30 | bibble | Ah, cool. |
| 05:48.41 | _rubik | sypher: I know digital ocean has a pretty decent guide than can be adapted to v6. Do you have any notes on your server? |
| 05:49.01 | sypher | _rubik: DigitalOcean cannot be used for an ipv6 openvpn server. |
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| 05:49.25 | sypher | _rubik: Assuming you have a large enough address space, it's actually quite easy. I'll see if I can dredge up my old documentation. |
| 05:49.33 | bibble | sypher: publish a tutorial, will be best on the net ! |
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| 05:50.54 | _rubik | sypher: +1 would give an OTPHJ for a good guide on that. |
| 05:51.18 | bibble | vpn ipv4 subnet using 10.8.0.0. what are you using for ipv6 ? |
| 05:51.39 | bibble | _rubik: lol |
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| 05:52.02 | sypher | bibble: Remember that ipv6 doesn't really have private address spaces like ipv4 does. You have to use an actual routed and allocated ipv6 space. |
| 05:52.21 | bibble | see :) |
| 05:53.01 | sypher | bibble: The only VPS provider that I have yet encountered that will offer routed ipv6 blocks is Linode. |
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| 05:53.29 | sypher | bibble: DigitalOcean restricts you to a range of 16 addresses, and Vultr only allocates a /64. Per ipv6 standards, this should not be subdivided. |
| 05:53.48 | bibble | Ah, interesting. that's a shame |
| 05:54.36 | sypher | In fact, with a properly configured server, an openvpn client will have dual-stack connectivity even if the network over which the vpn connection is established is v4 only. |
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| 05:55.19 | sypher | I think this has ventured very far off topic for #debian. |
| 05:55.28 | sypher | Migrating this conversation to #openvpn. |
| 05:56.16 | bibble | You need to be registered with nickserv I think, for #openvpn |
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| 06:00.59 | bibble | znc saves nickserv password in plaintext ... today is just a bombardment of crazy revelations ! |
| 06:02.28 | Dagger | it needs the plaintext password to send it to nickserv, so it can't store a hash |
| 06:02.55 | Dagger | maybe encrypting it with your ZNC password would make sense... but cert auth is a better idea anyway |
| 06:03.13 | bibble | good point Dagger |
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| 06:55.52 | LadY_aSaL | hi |
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| 06:57.37 | LadY_aSaL | hi |
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| 07:00.22 | somiaj | !ask |
| 07:00.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 07:00.38 | LadY_aSaL | :_ |
| 07:00.50 | LadY_aSaL | :( |
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| 07:01.30 | somiaj | Just using the bot to say, if you have a question about debian just ask. If you are looking for a social channel you may want to try elsewhere. |
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| 07:04.02 | sleepster | is there an easy way to contribute to debian? |
| 07:04.05 | sleepster | just to get my feet wet |
| 07:04.08 | sleepster | so to speak |
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| 07:05.29 | somiaj | sleepster: lots depends on your skill set, I contribute by helping support debian here. There is also submitting patches the the BTS to improve packages, and so forth. Here is some docs too. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-contributing.en.html |
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| 07:05.55 | somiaj | there is this too https://www.debian.org/intro/help |
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| 07:06.17 | sleepster | gracias senior somiaj |
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| 07:10.16 | MaBunny | hello guys |
| 07:10.23 | MaBunny | long time no see |
| 07:10.31 | MaBunny | ive a problem |
| 07:10.44 | MaBunny | my deb box crashed |
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| 07:11.02 | MaBunny | better to say the pendrive crashed |
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| 07:11.34 | MaBunny | so im reinstalling debian,but this time only cli |
| 07:11.36 | MaBunny | so |
| 07:12.12 | MaBunny | when i tried to autoconfigure network settings in installer,somehow |
| 07:12.24 | MaBunny | the process didnt work |
| 07:12.50 | somiaj | MaBunny: what network card? is it a wifi card? |
| 07:13.04 | MaBunny | in case i manage to only install the base system,is their any webpage |
| 07:13.19 | MaBunny | to get a tutorial? |
| 07:13.33 | somiaj | many network cards (mostly wifi) require non-free firmware to fully work and the installer won't be able to auto configure the network. |
| 07:13.55 | MaBunny | somiaj: im using adb to configure my smartphone n connect through it |
| 07:14.04 | somiaj | I don't have a good tutorial that I know of, but if you just finished the install and only have a base system, the first thing I would do is get your network up and running. In this case you will need to know the chipset of the network card you are using. |
| 07:14.25 | MaBunny | like plug n play |
| 07:14.46 | somiaj | MaBunny: so you are using the smartphone as a teather or as a hotspot and need to get your wifi card working? I don't have much knowledge/experience with teathering an internet connection via a smartphone. |
| 07:14.49 | MaBunny | its installing base system atm |
| 07:15.16 | MaBunny | no...i dont hav a wifi card |
| 07:15.34 | MaBunny | just use teathering option n adb to connect |
| 07:15.57 | somiaj | I'm unsure of any tools to do this or automate it. |
| 07:16.03 | MaBunny | ill try to reconfigure the network,if its possible |
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| 07:16.11 | MaBunny | ok |
| 07:16.43 | somiaj | I did find this. https://wiki.debian.org/Android_Tethering |
| 07:16.56 | MaBunny | thnx |
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| 07:19.10 | John341 | Booting debian 8.5 glance image, results in, ALERT! /dev/vda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! can anyone please advice on how to fix? |
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| 07:21.09 | LadY_aSaL | hello |
| 07:21.53 | MaBunny | hello LadY_aSaL |
| 07:22.13 | LadY_aSaL | where are you from? |
| 07:22.41 | MaBunny | im from russia |
| 07:22.46 | MaBunny | you? |
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| 07:22.58 | LadY_aSaL | from iran |
| 07:23.15 | MaBunny | if you hav any questions,pls ask |
| 07:23.44 | LadY_aSaL | :) |
| 07:23.50 | MaBunny | for normal chitchat,join #debian-offtopic |
| 07:23.51 | somiaj | John341: what is a 'glance' image? It sounds like the actual device of the root filesystem (or some other file system) needed during the boot is not being properly detected? Is this a VPS you are using? |
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| 07:24.23 | somiaj | freenode also has other social channels (not that I know of any) |
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| 07:24.56 | MaBunny | most are question come social channels |
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| 07:49.33 | John341 | somiaj: the debian openstack image |
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| 07:59.44 | sleepster | I was thinking about trying "debian testing" but that seems pretty similar to debian sid |
| 07:59.57 | sleepster | is there really a big difference between the two? |
| 08:00.17 | H4ndy | testing is more stable |
| 08:00.53 | sleepster | yeah, that's what it says but I am wondering if in practice |
| 08:00.57 | sleepster | it really is more unstable |
| 08:01.26 | H4ndy | well debian in itself is pretty stable |
| 08:01.36 | H4ndy | but I would not run a production machine on sid |
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| 08:01.53 | H4ndy | I have one webserver on testing since I like the almost up-to-date packages |
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| 08:02.46 | H4ndy | I think it all comes down to how new of packages you need and how much you can live with if something happens to break for a whiule |
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| 08:15.33 | danialbehzadi | Hi. My systemd seems to be broken. Every systemctl task timeouts like this: |
| 08:15.34 | danialbehzadi | $ sudo systemctl status apache2.service |
| 08:15.34 | danialbehzadi | Failed to get properties: Connection timed out |
| 08:15.34 | danialbehzadi | So, I can not upgrade any service package. |
| 08:15.34 | danialbehzadi | Any Idea? |
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| 08:22.09 | vyadhaka | I am trying to uninstall nvidia drivers and install nouveau, couldn't find any document on it, I am guessing the process is purge all nvidia stuff > remove nouveau from black list > remove xorg.conf > install nouveau > reboot. is that correct? |
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| 08:26.41 | Rephlexie | you use apt to install or the installer? |
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| 08:28.06 | Rephlexie | iirc the installer at least came with either a script or possibly even a /bin to uninstall |
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| 08:31.07 | vyadhaka | sorry crashed out, not sure if anyone replied to my qts >I am trying to uninstall nvidia drivers and install nouveau, couldn't find any document on it, I am guessing the process is purge all nvidia stuff > remove nouveau from black list > remove xorg.conf > install nouveau > reboot. is that correct? |
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| 08:33.56 | missmbob | !tell vyadhaka about remove nvidia |
| 08:34.01 | missmbob | vyadhaka: that might work |
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| 08:38.34 | Rephlexie | vyadhaka, you use apt or the install? if installer theres an uninstall bin or a flag to with the .sh |
| 08:39.26 | vyadhaka | Rephlexie: I followed https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_304.131_.28legacy_GPUs.29 |
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| 08:40.21 | vyadhaka | but want to go back to nouveau, looks like nvidia is crashing the system at random after resuming from suspend |
| 08:40.21 | Rephlexie | vyadhaka, yeah youre on track then for sure purge the sucker :D |
| 08:40.44 | vyadhaka | Rephlexie: so purge all nvidia first? |
| 08:42.14 | Rephlexie | yeah then guessing adding nov to modules after that |
| 08:42.24 | vyadhaka | Rephlexie: apt-get purge --auto-remove nvidia*? |
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| 08:43.02 | Rephlexie | yeah that should do it |
| 08:43.37 | vyadhaka | do the gdm or similar have to be stopped before? |
| 08:43.52 | vyadhaka | or should I just login to console to do this? |
| 08:44.18 | tako | i need to downgrade my openssl version |
| 08:44.26 | tako | i install it from jessie backports |
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| 08:44.39 | tako | but i should install it from jessie packages |
| 08:44.43 | Rephlexie | good question i usually kill the greeter when messing with nvid stuff |
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| 08:45.14 | lnx765 | Hey. Until now I've been using Ubuntu as a web/email server. But I thought, since Ubuntu is based on Debian, why not just use Debian? What do you advice? |
| 08:46.38 | tako | anyone know ? how to downgrade package from jessie backports |
| 08:46.41 | tako | to jessie |
| 08:46.44 | jim | what if someone (not me tho) wants to learn to write drivers? is there a sample kernel driver? |
| 08:46.49 | missmbob | lnx765: use debian |
| 08:47.03 | lnx765 | why? |
| 08:47.06 | missmbob | tako you download it manually and then force dpkg --force-all -i foo.deb |
| 08:47.19 | missmbob | !tell lnx765 about why debian |
| 08:47.34 | tako | how can i download it manually |
| 08:47.45 | tako | https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/openssl |
| 08:47.46 | missmbob | tako: get it from packages.debian.org |
| 08:47.51 | missmbob | !tell tako about downgrade |
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| 08:48.31 | tako | well which one i should download .tar.gz or .tar.xz ? |
| 08:48.55 | missmbob | tako: neither. which package are you looking at? |
| 08:48.59 | tako | they are source |
| 08:49.03 | tako | i got it now |
| 08:49.20 | tako | my computer is amd64 isnt it :D |
| 08:49.27 | missmbob | most likely |
| 08:50.08 | jim | tako, cat /proc/cpuinfo | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 08:50.35 | jim | then tell em that, and they could probably tell you what it is |
| 08:50.50 | danialbehzadi | Hi. My systemd seems to be broken. Every systemctl task timeouts like this: |
| 08:50.57 | danialbehzadi | Failed to get properties: Connection timed out |
| 08:50.58 | tako | http://termbin.com/ggd0 |
| 08:51.05 | danialbehzadi | So, I can not upgrade any service package. |
| 08:51.12 | danialbehzadi | Any Idea? |
| 08:51.44 | tako | jim, i didnt understand still and its not my computer its server from digitalocea |
| 08:52.08 | missmbob | tako: it's pretty good at that. yes that's 64-bit |
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| 08:52.56 | jim | tako, that's a way of pastebinning the output of an arbitrary command |
| 08:52.58 | tako | hmm okay thanks |
| 08:54.06 | tako | yea still same problem when i download openssl from normal jessie repo i'm getting this error |
| 08:54.07 | tako | openssl: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: version `OPENSSL_1.0.1s' not found (required by openssl) |
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| 08:54.17 | tako | thats why i upgrade it to backport version |
| 08:54.49 | tako | but it is also problem for me i need openssl 1.0.1 |
| 08:55.23 | jim | maybe yoou can get the .deb of it |
| 08:55.25 | missmbob | jessie stable is 1.0.1t |
| 08:56.15 | tako | yea stable 1.0.1t and when i try to run openssl from terminal i'm getting this error |
| 08:56.36 | missmbob | then i'm guessing you did more manual things than that single backport |
| 08:56.37 | tako | its happened me before and i update it |
| 08:56.56 | missmbob | heh. i've never seen that before. |
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| 08:57.43 | tako | i need this package libcrypto.so.1.0.0 |
| 08:57.59 | jim | the thing is, installing a package whose package name is the same as a package that has already been installed, theoretically should replace it... what I'm telling yuou is... it might work |
| 08:58.03 | tako | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libssl1.0.0 |
| 08:58.58 | jim | if it does, you might be good, if not, it could be as bad (and extreme) as having to reinstall debian |
| 08:59.48 | tako | its already installed |
| 09:00.20 | jim | the nonbackport one? |
| 09:00.25 | tako | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=816559 |
| 09:00.26 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/816559 in openssl (closed): «openssl does not start on x86_64: version `OPENSSL_1.0.1s' not found»; severity: important; opened: 2016-03-02; last modified: 2016-08-08. |
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| 09:03.42 | tako | what should i do now |
| 09:04.31 | john_rambo | I cant mount my external HDD .... lsusb shows the drive >>> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23051254/ |
| 09:05.09 | tako | http://kopy.io/0Y1NW |
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| 09:05.24 | elliot007 | I'm setting up my cloud server by following this guide https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-nginx-virtual-hosts-server-blocks-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts--3 |
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| 09:05.47 | elliot007 | but its now showing "403 Forbidden" |
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| 09:06.40 | tako | it is work when i install these packages from stable so |
| 09:06.45 | tako | manually |
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| 09:08.35 | nicknight | Hi I am new to debian |
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| 09:08.40 | Skyrider | Hi |
| 09:09.12 | Skyrider | elliot007: I assume that's a question for #nginx |
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| 09:09.42 | elliot007 | skyrider: Idk if its of nginx or debian |
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| 09:10.25 | elliot007 | let me ask there too |
| 09:10.27 | Skyrider | nginx in general, the 403 displays as 'something' isn't set up properly or filled in properly. |
| 09:11.25 | Skyrider | just make sure the www directory (public html) is filled with files to read, index.html / index.php would be a good start to see if it works. |
| 09:11.48 | elliot007 | yep already uploaded the files |
| 09:11.50 | Skyrider | btw... |
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| 09:11.53 | Skyrider | That page is old |
| 09:12.22 | Skyrider | in the virtual host file, change index index.html index.htm; to index index.php index.html index.htm; |
| 09:13.45 | elliot007 | okay they are replying there |
| 09:14.54 | vyadhaka | Rephlexie: ok got the nouveau driver installed but the resolution is off? how to change the settings |
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| 09:16.12 | Rephlexie | vyadhaka, sweet! good to hear man. hmm you autogen xorg? |
| 09:17.19 | vyadhaka | Rephlexie: I did not do any setup for nouveau, purged nvidia, removed xorg.conf, removed nouveau from blacklist, and rebooted, |
| 09:18.39 | Rephlexie | gotcha, might have to wiki your monitor and tinker with a [screen] setup in xorg.conf |
| 09:19.19 | vyadhaka | there is no xorg.conf, should there be one? |
| 09:20.43 | Rephlexie | yep! X --configure then move the .new.conf over to /etc |
| 09:21.49 | Rephlexie | https://wiki.debian.org/Xorg#Configure_X this might do it |
| 09:22.12 | jmcnaught | usually the free drivers don't need an xorg.conf |
| 09:22.45 | vyadhaka | jmcnaught: thats what I thought after reading the info around the web |
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| 09:23.02 | Delicates | Anyone can think of a tool that can monitor health of a box, through real time, or logs, and can provide a simple dashboard to alert when anything starts going wrong - e.g. HD I/O failures, processes going RAM or network hungry, etc.? |
| 09:23.17 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: can you change the resolution in the settings of your desktop or window manager? |
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| 09:24.12 | vyadhaka | jmcnaught: no it is incorrect there lists monitor as unknown and max resolution as 1024x768 |
| 09:26.34 | jmcnaught | Delicates: what systems do you want to monitor? |
| 09:26.48 | Delicates | jmcnaught: Linux |
| 09:27.01 | jmcnaught | Delicates: desktops? servers? |
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| 09:27.31 | Delicates | jmcnaught: Desktop |
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| 09:28.43 | jmcnaught | Delicates: something like conky, or may desktop environments have applets or widgets you can add to your desktop |
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| 09:32.15 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: you may as well check to see if there is anything in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and you end up needing to put a snippet there about your display and the resolution it should be set to. As far as i know nouveau does not require a non-free firmware like radeon does, but i could be wrong. |
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| 09:32.49 | jmcnaught | vyadhaka: also check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to verify that the nouveau driver is actually being used, and it's not running with fbdev |
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| 09:36.43 | Delicates | jmcnaught: nice tip, Conky looks like a GKrellM replacement. :) Though I might look into Nagios first |
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| 09:37.51 | jmcnaught | Delicates: nagios is something you would most often use on a server but maybe also for a whole bunch of desktops. If you look at nagios also look at icinga which is a rewrite of it |
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| 09:48.11 | vyadhaka | jmcnaught: I was just reading about it, when I tried to create the xorg.conf, got the error 'Number of created screens does not match the number of detected devices'?, this is so broken!!! |
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| 09:53.53 | OERIAS | UBUNTU ROCK!!!! |
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| 10:31.25 | sphalerite | What would be the best way to get a 4.7 kernel on jessie? backports only has 4.6... |
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| 10:32.47 | missmbob | sphalerite: you wait a few days. it's not even in sid yet. |
| 10:32.53 | missmbob | sphalerite: or build it yourself |
| 10:33.18 | vyadhaka | jmcnaught: sorted with help from guys @ #nouveau, there was file under modeprobe.d that I renamed but still got picked up as it only looks at the end of the name!!! |
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| 10:35.16 | zebulon1st | hi ! I have a little pb that I can't solve by myself : I have 2 PCs, on old but still running well AMD Athlon running Windows XP and is my network host (handling the cnx), and a new I7-880 running Debian testing "stretch" and is my network guest. They are connected each other, and the local network is all ok. But, when I want to move/copy something from Debian to XP, in XP I always have a f*****g request telling... |
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| 10:36.03 | missmbob | !tell zebulon1st about debian-next |
| 10:36.48 | zebulon1st | ... "Do you want to move/copy the files from this location ?" [yes|no]. I try since this early morning to find how to remove this unusable protection. Note: it's not "strectch" specific, but XP's. |
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| 10:37.20 | zebulon1st | I tried to found a solution in the web, but found none. :S |
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| 10:43.24 | Rephlexie | zebulon1st, https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/182569 What a pain, according to this you have to regedit your local network as a trusted zone. |
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| 10:44.38 | zebulon1st | Rephlexie: oh, ok. I was sure I have to do something this way (regedit), but found nothing. Thank you very much. ;) |
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| 10:51.55 | lnx765 | Ubuntu sometimes shows "system restart required" after running apt-get upgrade. |
| 10:51.55 | lnx765 | Does Debian every do this? Haven't seen this yet. |
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| 10:52.10 | lnx765 | I'm using Debian 8. |
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| 10:54.56 | missmbob | lnx765: debian has needrestart |
| 10:55.29 | lnx765 | missmbob: but i have to run it manually? |
| 10:55.39 | missmbob | lnx765: yes |
| 10:55.44 | lnx765 | ok cool |
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| 11:03.59 | zebulon1st | Rephlexie: thank you again. problem solved. no more request that I add before. \o/ |
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| 11:10.54 | Rephlexie | zebulon1st, sweet man! glad its workin out! |
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| 11:12.15 | Rephlexie | zebulon1st, so stupid that Xp will let you trust a single file but a ton from the same source requires a twister game with settings. |
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| 11:16.01 | antoro | hey, I want to install this package, but it says that dependencies are broken. Can I install it without affecting the whole system with unstable libs and stuff? https://packages.debian.org/sid/neko |
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| 11:19.12 | zebulon1st | Rephlexie: This is because Windows is mostly used by non-geeks, and suddenly, MS has protections everywhere to prevent users break their system. But eventually all of these protections just give big problems difficult to solve. Like this one. :P |
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| 11:19.34 | zebulon1st | (I'm french, and I've used google translate to help) |
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| 11:20.15 | zebulon1st | I can do in english with computer languages, but I'm not as good with humans... to speak about everything else. |
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| 11:22.50 | jelly | antoro: it depends, which debian release are you using? |
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| 11:23.06 | antoro | jelly, wheezy |
| 11:23.24 | drake756596596 | heeeey |
| 11:23.28 | jelly | antoro: then no, you can't install a sid package |
| 11:23.58 | drake756596596 | what happen if i smoke an operative system? |
| 11:24.59 | Rephlexie | someone would make a wheezy joke im guessing |
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| 11:25.21 | bibble | lol |
| 11:25.26 | drake756596596 | looooooooooooool |
| 11:25.29 | drake756596596 | tdfw |
| 11:25.32 | drake756596596 | wtff |
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| 11:28.23 | jelly | don't irc when high, kids |
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| 11:28.56 | joze | arrest me |
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| 11:35.26 | hiya | OMG how does this Gnome Boxes work? |
| 11:35.40 | hiya | When we have a distro in it, is it on 24x7? |
| 11:35.44 | hiya | or can we switch it off? |
| 11:35.57 | Alina-malina | ok so i have a debian machine with various of users inside it and everything working normal, so my question is, if someone steal my HDD can he access all log files and data if he connects that hdd of that linux to its computer and start browsing folders etc? |
| 11:35.57 | Meliorate | hi all, is there a native way of removing old config (.ucf-old, .dpkg-old, etc) files? ...or are we just expected to `find ... -exec rm {} \;` them? |
| 11:36.49 | missmbob | Alina-malina: of course. unless you use encryption. |
| 11:36.50 | jelly | Alina-malina: yes. To avoid that, you need to use disk encryption (luks is most commonly used) |
| 11:36.51 | Meliorate | Alina-malina: yes, even if it's encrypted (just takes a long time!) |
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| 11:37.20 | Alina-malina | hmmmm okie thanks, i thought it is encrypted from scratch |
| 11:37.27 | jelly | not by default |
| 11:37.36 | missmbob | Alina-malina: no. the installer has an encrypted option |
| 11:37.49 | jelly | Alina-malina: does the system ask you for a decryption passphrase at boot, before logging in? |
| 11:37.57 | Alina-malina | yes, but it is installed by default i guess, i did not do anything with encryption stuff when i install the system |
| 11:38.06 | Alina-malina | jelly, no it does not |
| 11:38.13 | jelly | then you don't have luks |
| 11:38.15 | missmbob | Alina-malina: then it's not encrypted |
| 11:38.27 | Alina-malina | i have some server logs, that i want it to be private, how can i do this then? withouht doing major encryption changes on that machine? |
| 11:38.43 | Alina-malina | i mean if i can encrypt that particular user perhaps? |
| 11:39.02 | Meliorate | you can make encrypted containers |
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| 11:39.12 | Meliorate | and mount those to the dirs you wish to encrypt |
| 11:39.35 | Alina-malina | Meliorate, is that possible with particular user? to store it inside container? |
| 11:40.00 | Meliorate | hmmm, mostly, their stuff will be in /home/user, one would hope |
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| 11:40.18 | Alina-malina | yes correct |
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| 11:40.22 | Alina-malina | thats the correct location |
| 11:40.28 | Alina-malina | thats where my logs are |
| 11:40.37 | gebruiker | Why is using sudo better than using su or logging in as root? |
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| 11:41.08 | jelly | gebruiker: each of the options has their benefits and issues. |
| 11:41.28 | Meliorate | yea, define "better" |
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| 11:41.53 | jelly | sudo allows for better grained permissions, giving specific users access to specific commands |
| 11:42.22 | gebruiker | Meliorate, of superior suitability, advisability, desirability, acceptableness, etc.; preferable: |
| 11:42.34 | jelly | using it to just run anything doesn't have a lot of benefits |
| 11:43.15 | jelly | some audit tracks, perhaps |
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| 11:44.23 | Meliorate | when i collaborate, we usually use sudo, just basically because you will remember your own password, but not nescessarily the (very strong) root password |
| 11:44.42 | Meliorate | when i work on my own, i jump in su |
| 11:44.45 | Meliorate | *shrug* |
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| 11:46.36 | gebruiker | alright, I want to play arround more with ck kernel and liquorix and am curious what you all have noticed so far as a desktop user? |
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| 11:52.07 | ngomes | since /etc/hosts is not a file dumped from a package, what package generates /etc/hosts on install ? |
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| 11:55.07 | gebruiker | ngomes, packages.debian |
| 11:55.28 | abrotman | no |
| 11:55.34 | ngomes | gebruiker, can't understand answer |
| 11:56.01 | gebruiker | ngomes, packages.debian has the ability tos earch for files with deb packages. perhaps you can try to search for /etc/hosts |
| 11:56.54 | ngomes | gebruiker, dpkg -S /etc/hosts , should return matching package for this file . it returns nothing so i guess is generated , hence the question |
| 11:57.07 | gebruiker | ngomes, i just readh taht it is generated by the debian-installers |
| 11:57.11 | gebruiker | http://serverfault.com/questions/407974/where-can-i-get-the-default-etc-hosts-file-for-debian-sid |
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| 12:02.29 | abrotman | ngomes: netbase |
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| 12:03.26 | ngomes | abrotman, i have the package. where is the script ? |
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| 12:04.55 | maziar | i have debian jessie , and i have a camra with HDMI output, and i have HDMI port in my laptop, how can i record my camera on debian? is it possible to do it on debian? if yes how ? |
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| 12:08.16 | ngomes | maziar, i'm no expert with cameras , but i think best option is to connect the usb cable and transfer the video file to the PC |
| 12:09.13 | koma | Is there anyone that dare to understand why a virtually identical module works on Centos7 but not in any debian kernel (6,7,8,sid) nor ubuntu (12,13,14,15,16) ? I could provide Trace and many other things |
| 12:10.59 | abrotman | ngomes: /var/lib/dpkg/info/netbase.postinst probably |
| 12:14.05 | ngomes | abrotman, yes, looks like its there , thanks ! |
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| 12:17.07 | iamawesome | Anyone there? |
| 12:17.20 | iamawesome | Some default directory from ~/ was deleted |
| 12:17.28 | iamawesome | Like Downloads, Documents etc |
| 12:17.35 | iamawesome | Now how can i get back thoses? |
| 12:18.05 | ngomes | iamawesome, try photorec |
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| 12:20.16 | abrotman | iamawesome: was there data in there you wanted? |
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| 12:23.12 | iamawesome | Yes, there were some data |
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| 12:23.30 | iamawesome | How can i selet the only ~/ directory to recover? |
| 12:23.34 | iamawesome | from photorec |
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| 12:33.23 | maziar | ngomes how should i do it for live recording ? |
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| 12:44.20 | yeezi | cross platform todo app with support for ios? |
| 12:45.22 | abrotman | Google? |
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| 12:50.21 | bibble | Vim & https://github.com/ginatrapani/todo.txt-cli/wiki/The-Todo.txt-Format |
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| 12:53.58 | yeezi | q |
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| 13:04.48 | ByteStorm | hello guys |
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| 13:09.37 | MaBunny | so |
| 13:09.49 | MaBunny | i just found out my old 32gb pendrive works |
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| 13:10.22 | MaBunny | somehow the Grub doesnt work,need to select this OS manually in Boot Menu |
| 13:10.24 | MaBunny | so |
| 13:10.47 | MaBunny | as i was saying earlier some 5 hrs ago |
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| 13:11.54 | MaBunny | i was installing a debiann jessie on my pendrive,but couldnt get the network manager configure the port+dhcp+things correctly |
| 13:12.02 | Lowl3v3l | does anybody of you run kernel 4.6 and proprietary nvidia-driver ? does it work? |
| 13:12.40 | MaBunny | and while i did complete the install,the system couldnt start up even when installing GRUB on the pendrive....so |
| 13:12.53 | OerHeks | Lowl3v3l, unlikely a lot of users, 4.6 is in mainline only |
| 13:13.08 | OerHeks | !mainline |
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| 13:13.23 | OerHeks | oops, wrong channel |
| 13:13.41 | MaBunny | is this a problem of the fact tht i didnt get the network setuped properly and tht the correct drivers for my hardware werent installed on the pendrive? |
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| 13:15.10 | bibble | MaBunny: do you want full install ? otherwise can just 'cp deb-live.iso /dev/usb' |
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| 13:16.30 | MaBunny | no....i have the iso on a usb,done disc integration check and even completed the install process |
| 13:16.52 | MaBunny | but the pendrive on which i installed hangs on boot process |
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| 13:18.34 | Xhaozer | hey all |
| 13:18.57 | bibble | do other OS's boot from USB OK ? otherwise, may need to change bios settings |
| 13:19.09 | MaBunny | ok |
| 13:20.16 | MaBunny | i hav only Removable as the option to boot from |
| 13:20.35 | MaBunny | but tht doesnt load the Grub on my pendrive so |
| 13:20.46 | MaBunny | had to check manually from the Boot Menu |
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| 13:21.57 | bibble | ... and check if UEFI boot for Microsoft |
| 13:22.10 | MaBunny | no...its not UEFI blocked |
| 13:22.15 | bibble | cool |
| 13:22.36 | MaBunny | im hadd used it b4 to load the GRUB on my other pendrives |
| 13:23.01 | MaBunny | actually im talking from tht same computer which i tried to install on |
| 13:23.09 | MaBunny | with a pendrive |
| 13:23.20 | Xhaozer | lol |
| 13:23.26 | Xhaozer | why do you keep saying pen drive |
| 13:23.54 | MaBunny | srry i dont kno what else to say |
| 13:24.23 | bibble | is this the same problem ? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/203764/boot-linux-debian-from-a-usb-drive-with-grub |
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| 13:25.04 | MaBunny | wait |
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| 13:27.50 | MaBunny | yes bibble,in my case too it just blinks |
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| 13:28.54 | MaBunny | bibble so should i use tht command on my pendrive? |
| 13:29.51 | bibble | yeah, seems so. need to reinstall grub onto the drive |
| 13:29.58 | MaBunny | ok |
| 13:30.11 | MaBunny | is tht command right? |
| 13:31.11 | bibble | yep, in Linux OS. |
| 13:31.31 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 13:34.59 | MaBunny | should it be /mnt ? bibble? |
| 13:35.16 | MaBunny | im quite nervous coming to partitions n disks |
| 13:37.08 | bibble | yep, or any dir you mount it to. just do 'grub-install --help' to check wether it's 'boot' or 'root' for one of the options |
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| 13:37.43 | MaBunny | its boot |
| 13:37.47 | bibble | cool |
| 13:38.15 | MaBunny | but idk the last bit.... --boot-directory = /mnt |
| 13:38.27 | MaBunny | idk if it'll be /mnt |
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| 13:40.03 | MaBunny | this is wht fdisk gives: http://paste.debian.net/789023/ |
| 13:40.26 | MaBunny | should it be on one of these partitions? |
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| 13:43.06 | bibble | I imagine you'd do 'mount /dev/sdd /mnt' and if it didn't work, add the '1' |
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| 13:44.29 | MaBunny | ok...so like this: "--boot-directory= /dev/sdd /mnt" ? |
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| 13:49.50 | bibble | MaBunny: nah, that's just the command to mount the usb drive. then do the grub command to install it |
| 13:50.05 | MaBunny | oh |
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| 13:53.57 | MaBunny | mount: /dev/sdd is already mounted or /mnt busy |
| 13:54.05 | MaBunny | srry for the flooding |
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| 13:56.27 | iamawesome | Hi, can anyone pastebin default foder structure of home directory? |
| 13:56.44 | iamawesome | Default contenst of ~/ directory. |
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| 13:58.58 | MaBunny | what do i do bibble? |
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| 13:59.40 | bibble | Seems already mounted then ? so do the grub command in link answer |
| 13:59.52 | MaBunny | ok |
| 14:00.22 | bibble | iamawesome: /etc/skel has default ~/ contents |
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| 14:01.46 | iamawesome | bibble: skel is empty |
| 14:02.01 | iamawesome | Some of my folders are deleted from ~/ accidentaly |
| 14:02.09 | iamawesome | I want to create foders in ~/ |
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| 14:02.22 | iamawesome | Documents/ , Desktop/ are deleted |
| 14:02.31 | iamawesome | What else do i need to create? |
| 14:02.55 | bibble | strange. you could create another user, copy files, then delete that user. |
| 14:03.24 | iamawesome | If i create a new user, that has only Desktop/ in ~/ , nothing else |
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| 14:04.14 | bibble | So that just means Documents/ etc you created yourself ? or programs installed did.. |
| 14:04.38 | Klaus_Dieter | iamawesome: man hier |
| 14:04.42 | iamawesome | I didn't create Documents/ i don't know how it was created. |
| 14:05.37 | bibble | the desktop environment. gnome, KDE, etc |
| 14:05.38 | Klaus_Dieter | iamawesome: you have some crazy desktop environment thinking that / is a home folder of some sort. possibly even windows if you have your / shared via cifs.... |
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| 14:05.59 | iamawesome | I mean, the user directory |
| 14:06.06 | iamawesome | In my case it's /home/shibly/ |
| 14:06.18 | Klaus_Dieter | there is no default for ~ |
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| 14:06.33 | Klaus_Dieter | just whatever is placed in /etc/skel |
| 14:06.54 | iamawesome | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:07.17 | Klaus_Dieter | iamawesome: did you list with -a? |
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| 14:07.43 | iamawesome | .bash_logout .bashrc .profile in /etc/skel/ |
| 14:07.45 | Klaus_Dieter | iamawesome: because this directory seems empty on my system too, but there are three files called .profile .bashrc and .bash_logout |
| 14:07.50 | Klaus_Dieter | yup |
| 14:08.00 | Klaus_Dieter | looks like the default to me |
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| 14:09.09 | bibble | iamawesome: use the GUI settings to create a new user, and all the environment directories will probably be created too. like Downloads/ and such |
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| 14:09.57 | iamawesome | bibble: Which gui setting? I tried users-admin |
| 14:10.15 | iamawesome | bibble: But Downloads were not created. |
| 14:10.21 | iamawesome | *was not* |
| 14:10.29 | Klaus_Dieter | always uses adduser. I never understood why some DE create directories for you |
| 14:10.32 | iamawesome | Only Desktop/ was created. |
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| 14:13.11 | stoffepojken | iamawesome, xdg-user-dirs-update |
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| 14:14.02 | bibble | Ah, sounds like that might work |
| 14:15.20 | bibble | Klaus_Dieter: and they always use first capitals too ;_; |
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| 14:16.33 | zebulon1st | how to join debian-next ? |
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| 14:18.12 | jelly | zebulon1st: it's on irc.oftc.net, different server/network |
| 14:18.13 | iamawesome | stoffepojken: Thanks, |
| 14:18.35 | zebulon1st | jelly: ho, ok. thx :) |
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| 14:20.27 | iamawesome | stoffepojken: How did you know this? |
| 14:22.12 | stoffepojken | iamawesome, I had the same problem a couple of years ago. |
| 14:25.30 | stoffepojken | iamawesome, You can edit which directorys you want in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs |
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| 14:34.58 | hiya | my system freezes when I random search for files in Files and other search for Apps in Gnome Menu for a few secs |
| 14:35.01 | hiya | What is broken? |
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| 14:36.38 | Klaus_Dieter | hiya: does it un-freeze after a while? |
| 14:37.04 | Klaus_Dieter | hiya: or is this a complete lockup? Have you tried letting it sit for an hour? |
| 14:37.48 | binia | is that you hiya? |
| 14:38.24 | zebulon1st | i tried to join debian-next, via https://webchat.oftc.net (how it is said to do in debian.org), but it seems it don't join : there is only the status view and if i ask to join manually, i does nothing (even Return key does nothing). I don't understand because i'm here via https://webchat.freenode.net and it works ; not the other (https://webchat.oftc.net) |
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| 14:38.58 | hiya | Klaus_Dieter, it does unfreeze after a while sometimes I have to wait for more time and what i do is kill the Files app and restart it (it does not fix the search but I can atleast work and look for my files manually ) |
| 14:39.06 | hiya | binia, yes, how are you? you left us |
| 14:39.20 | binia | i leave people not nice to me :P |
| 14:39.23 | Klaus_Dieter | hiya: which file system are you using and how full is it? |
| 14:39.56 | Klaus_Dieter | hiya: I had the same thing happen to me on a almost completely filled btrfs and one that was almost completely full at one time but was only at 80% |
| 14:40.59 | Klaus_Dieter | hiya: the fs was hosed |
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| 14:41.07 | binia | its good to seperate /home from / |
| 14:41.33 | hiya | binia, boooo you suck |
| 14:41.49 | Klaus_Dieter | hiya: I did two things to get rid of it: a) uninstall laptop-mode (which messes with the fs-caches) and re-format the fs. |
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| 14:42.09 | binia | hiya, nah |
| 14:42.12 | binia | just wiser |
| 14:43.07 | hiya | Klaus_Dieter, I use LUKS encryption (Version 1) |
| 14:43.14 | hiya | Oh? |
| 14:43.17 | hiya | Laptop-mode does it? |
| 14:43.22 | Klaus_Dieter | it actually is. since then I have / and /home on different volume groups in lvm. both are on btrfs and lvm is on top of luks |
| 14:43.29 | hiya | With full disk encryption what can I do? |
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| 14:43.54 | zebulon1st | (i don't want to enter in a conversation that is not mine, but I'm agree with binia : i always do this way, it's wiser and safer) |
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| 14:44.04 | Klaus_Dieter | hiya: the same thing. put lvm on top of your encrypted disk |
| 14:44.23 | Klaus_Dieter | create different volume groups on there - I recommend: swap home root |
| 14:44.28 | Klaus_Dieter | and mount those |
| 14:44.54 | Klaus_Dieter | also you should probably force cryptutils into your initramfs for that to work. at least I had to on my debian system |
| 14:44.58 | hiya | Ok |
| 14:45.25 | hiya | Do you thnk i5-4120U 1.7Ghz with 4GB of Ram can handle full disk encryption? |
| 14:45.29 | hiya | Klaus_Dieter, ^ |
| 14:45.39 | hiya | and stay powerful with Gnome |
| 14:46.05 | binia | always is, zebulon1st |
| 14:46.14 | hiya | of course LVM2 Physical Volume is there Klaus_Dieter |
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| 14:47.57 | Klaus_Dieter | hiya: I do not use gnome so I do not know exactly. if you use aes-xts then a core i5 is defenitely fine |
| 14:48.29 | hiya | Ok |
| 14:48.45 | hiya | Klaus_Dieter, I only use w/e Debian uses as default |
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| 14:49.28 | MaBunny | hello |
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| 14:50.06 | MaBunny | hello |
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| 14:57.08 | stoffepojken | MaBunny, hello |
| 14:57.24 | RoyK | EHLO |
| 14:57.40 | iamawesome | I can't delete this: $RECYCLE.BIN |
| 14:57.48 | iamawesome | rm -rf $RECYCLE.BIN , doesn't do anything |
| 14:58.00 | iamawesome | What should i do? |
| 14:58.04 | RoyK | rm \$RECYCLE.BIN |
| 14:58.06 | MaBunny | hello stoffepojken |
| 14:58.10 | MaBunny | long name btw |
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| 14:58.49 | RoyK | iamawesome: $something in bash means 'something' is a variable, so you need to escape that character |
| 15:00.26 | RoyK | MaBunny: sounds like a swedish translation of 'stuffboy' or something ;) |
| 15:01.11 | MaBunny | ok |
| 15:01.35 | RoyK | or perhaps 'stuffed' :D |
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| 15:01.51 | RoyK | I guess stoffepojken could translate it better |
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| 15:03.16 | stoffepojken | haha, my name is Stoffe and I am a boy. pojke is boy in swedish |
| 15:03.40 | RoyK | ah - I didn't know that was a name :) |
| 15:03.59 | RoyK | but it makes sense - I'm Norwegian and a know Swedish |
| 15:04.33 | stoffepojken | Nickname for Kristoffer :) |
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| 15:05.08 | RoyK | jag förstår |
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| 15:06.11 | stoffepojken | selvfølgelig |
| 15:06.13 | RoyK | stoffepojken: curiously we don't have much nicknames in Norwegian, but you swedes and the Icelandic have tons of them |
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| 15:07.22 | Klaus_Dieter | if I build kicad from the src-package and I want to include the patches that were attached in bug #820261 - is it sufficient to place them into the debian/patches directory and run debuild? |
| 15:07.23 | bibble | 'scp $RECYCLE.BIN Royk@norwaybox:~' |
| 15:07.23 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/820261 in kicad (open): «Cvpcb error "BUILD_GITHUB_PLUGIN not enabled" when attempting to load footprints»; severity: important; opened: 2016-04-07; last modified: 2016-05-05. |
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| 15:08.01 | stoffepojken | RoyK: You should have nicknames because you always have two names. |
| 15:08.26 | RoyK | stoffepojken: nah - we don't always have two names ;) |
| 15:08.26 | _0xbadc0de | hi |
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| 15:08.36 | _0xbadc0de | I have Kali on vbox |
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| 15:08.51 | _0xbadc0de | and I can only get a screen resolution that does not cover my screen |
| 15:08.57 | _0xbadc0de | when I full screen the thing |
| 15:09.17 | RoyK | _0xbadc0de: this isn't really a vbox channel |
| 15:09.32 | MaBunny | it must be a gui problem |
| 15:09.47 | MaBunny | but thts true too |
| 15:10.03 | _0xbadc0de | I already installed guest additions |
| 15:10.28 | RoyK | perhaps try #vbox |
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| 15:12.54 | winsen | hi a |
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| 15:12.56 | winsen | all |
| 15:14.38 | winsen | I am using WICD, I d' like to switch to NM. does anyone know how to switch/enable network manager without incident? |
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| 15:19.31 | iamawesome | chmod +x remove.sh , doesn't make it executable |
| 15:20.03 | iamawesome | remove.sh is in other partition, that is ntfs partition, it was mounted automatically as i clicked this partition from nautilus |
| 15:20.32 | psichas | chmod 755 remove.sh |
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| 15:20.51 | psichas | stat remove.sh you should see 755 |
| 15:21.16 | iamawesome | No, it doesn't work |
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| 15:21.29 | psichas | what say stat |
| 15:22.22 | GoldBerg26 | Hi guys i have an hp laptop i want to install debian on it and run Torrent |
| 15:22.34 | GoldBerg26 | which version should i download |
| 15:22.58 | iamawesome | Access: (0600/-rw-------) |
| 15:23.18 | iamawesome | Let me umount and mount again |
| 15:23.41 | iamawesome | No same result |
| 15:23.54 | iamawesome | Can't make executable in ntfs partition |
| 15:24.01 | psichas | yup |
| 15:24.04 | iamawesome | But in ~/ , it works fine |
| 15:24.06 | GoldBerg26 | hi guys |
| 15:24.22 | iamawesome | May be some permission issue |
| 15:24.32 | Klaus_Dieter | iamawesome: did you mount ro? |
| 15:24.34 | bibble | GoldBerg26: any are OK, suppose |
| 15:24.55 | Klaus_Dieter | winsen: sorry I do not know how to switch but I am interested in your reasons. |
| 15:25.35 | iamawesome | Klaus_Dieter: I just clicked the partition from nautilus file manager and typed the root password, and it's automatically mounted |
| 15:25.42 | iamawesome | I don't know if it's ro or not |
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| 15:26.07 | iamawesome | mount = type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2) |
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| 15:27.40 | psichas | chmod 711 remove.sh works? |
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| 15:30.44 | tachikomas | GoldBerg26: run what version you want. |
| 15:31.20 | iamawesome | psichas: It won't change anything with chmod |
| 15:31.32 | psichas | and also chmod 700? |
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| 15:33.18 | iamawesome | ntfs-3g /dev/sda5 /media/sda5 makes everything executable |
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| 15:50.05 | iamawesome | type fuseblk (rw,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096) |
| 15:50.15 | iamawesome | Why is it user_id=0,group_id=0 |
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| 15:50.32 | iamawesome | I did: ntfs-3g -o rw,exec,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022 /dev/sda5 /media/sda5 |
| 15:50.45 | iamawesome | uid=1000,gid=1000, not user_id=0 |
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| 15:54.37 | berty | hi it seems there are conflicts between krita (stable) and kodi (testing)... if i install krita i must uninstall kodi, and if i install kodi i must uninstall krita |
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| 15:55.51 | berty | krita 1:2.8.5+dfsg-1+b2 // kodi 5:16.1-dmo3 |
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| 16:02.30 | winsen | does anyone know what is the command line to know how many network manager I had and how much are enable such as, NM, wicd..? |
| 16:03.00 | jelly | berty: packages from deb-multimedia do tend to make a mess sometimes |
| 16:04.09 | winsen | does anyone know what is the command line to know how many network manager I had and how much are enable such as, NM, wicd.. in order to avoid the conflict between them? |
| 16:04.23 | berty | jelly: when i force the testing versione (16.1+dfsg1-1) it seems there is the problem persist |
| 16:04.47 | jelly | berty: don't mix stable and testing. |
| 16:05.06 | jelly | if you need testing switch completely to testing |
| 16:05.14 | berty | jelly: i use testing, but krita there isn't there, so i'm using it from stable |
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| 16:05.20 | berty | yes, i'm on it |
| 16:05.21 | jelly | ,v krita |
| 16:05.22 | judd | Package: krita on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.2.1-4; wheezy: 1:2.4.4-3; jessie: 1:2.8.5+dfsg-1+b2 |
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| 16:05.40 | jelly | oh, it's not in debian any more or it's a different name |
| 16:05.45 | jelly | judd: bug rm krita |
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| 16:06.00 | judd | Sorry, no removal reasons were found. |
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| 16:08.03 | berty | maybe the problem will fix when the new versione will be packaged... |
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| 16:08.09 | berty | *version |
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| 16:08.41 | mutante | berty: cant you just use testing? |
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| 16:09.05 | berty | mutante: i'm on testing, but i need krita, and in this moment it is only in stable |
| 16:09.38 | mutante | i see |
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| 16:12.09 | jelly | berty: apparently noone is maintaining either krita or calligra in debian right now, and krita has been split as a separate project in the meantime https://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2016/05/msg00024.html |
| 16:12.11 | berty | maybe with pinning... /etc/apt/preferences and force stable version (5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2) for kodi |
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| 16:12.30 | winsen | klaus_Dieter: I'll let you know if I get the answer |
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| 16:12.58 | mutante | berty: maybe you can get the source package from stable, edit the "changes" file and rebuild it yourself for stretch ... |
| 16:13.47 | berty | jelly: do you think it's better to remove it? |
| 16:14.00 | berty | mutante: first time for that |
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| 16:14.55 | jelly | berty: if you don't need it, remove it |
| 16:15.12 | berty | ok, thanks |
| 16:15.25 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 16:15.25 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:15.38 | jelly | ^^ the right place to ask about issues with testing |
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| 16:15.59 | berty | thanks :) |
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| 16:30.45 | andril | o/ |
| 16:30.57 | andril | is there a way to change the machine name? |
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| 16:31.33 | AvatarA | you mean /etc/hostname? |
| 16:32.00 | missmbob | andril: https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 16:32.22 | andril | thanks missmbob |
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| 16:32.56 | mutante | cant believe there is a systemd "ctl" for changing it.. hehe |
| 16:34.01 | missmbob | i'm surprised systemd can't do my laundry |
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| 16:39.03 | mutante | missmbob: *g* laundryctl |
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| 16:39.30 | winsen | Does anyone know how to disable without removing each of [NM /Wicd] and how to enable each of them properly? |
| 16:40.27 | awal1 | systemctl disable network-manager.service wicd.service / systemctl enable ... ... |
| 16:41.16 | winsen | awall: are you sure, that works perfectly? |
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| 16:43.04 | jhutchins | winsen: Why not try it and see? |
| 16:43.27 | jhutchins | winsen: There's no guarantee for anything you find on the internet. |
| 16:45.33 | winsen | jhutchins: I am asking this question because I had twice this problem that required to use cable to fix the problem. I've had both I'd not look for ethernet cable to fix it. |
| 16:46.13 | winsen | awall, jhutchins: does that make sense |
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| 16:46.26 | winsen | ? |
| 16:47.20 | awal1 | winsen, I guess you're running debian+systemd. what I told you is the correct way |
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| 16:47.58 | prussian | you might need to run systemctl stop network-manager as well |
| 16:48.48 | awal1 | disable for disable (services not started at boottime), enable enables the service at boot time; stop/start = start or stop X service once your system is booted yet (check man systemctl for more info), winsen |
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| 16:50.48 | awal1 | but, winsen, as jhutchins told you, even if people don't give wrong info in this channel, usually, you should check docs & manuals when you you're in the net, if any... |
| 16:52.31 | winsen | awall: first time when I tried to enable NM, it said that is masked. I run this command: "systemctl unmask NetworkManager" unfortunetely nothing changed. I went back to ethernet cable to fix the issue |
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| 16:53.46 | winsen | I'll try. thanks for answering |
| 16:54.07 | awal1 | winsen, it's network-manager, not networkmanager |
| 16:54.23 | winsen | what is the difference? |
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| 16:56.07 | awal1 | the pkg is called n-m |
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| 16:56.48 | winsen | however I found that command line : https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=193036 |
| 16:56.55 | LtL | winsen: read this, re 'systemd' search for mask. http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/three-levels-of-off |
| 16:57.10 | mtn | actually, it is NetworkManager as far as systemctl is concerned |
| 16:58.31 | boubou | hey boys |
| 16:59.02 | boubou | how can I check if debian is compatible for a Compaq Presario X1000 ? |
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| 17:02.08 | mtn | boubou: you could test with a live disk. |
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| 17:02.21 | winsen | LtL: unfortunetely it doesn't help.anyway thanks. I'll try as awall said. we'll see |
| 17:02.37 | awal1 | mtn, right now I use wicd, but I had nm in the past and I disable it as network-manager |
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| 17:03.03 | boubou | mtn I install it sucessfully but when I try to reboot it, I got some many errors and a cute kernel panic |
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| 17:03.19 | mtn | awal1: systemctl does not recognize network-manager |
| 17:03.51 | mtn | boubou: you installed debian? which version and what errors do you get when you reboot? |
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| 17:03.53 | b6s3d | how do i install conky current |
| 17:03.58 | b6s3d | correct * |
| 17:04.14 | boubou | mtn, sorry, yes I installed it |
| 17:04.25 | boubou | how can I see past errors ? |
| 17:04.45 | awal1 | mtn, probably you right, I dont remember maybe, as I dont use it since a while |
| 17:04.47 | boubou | how can I see old errors ? |
| 17:04.48 | LtL | b6s3d: apt-get install conky |
| 17:04.57 | mtn | boubou: since you can't boot it, there is not way to look at any logs. boot again and make notes, take a pic, etc. |
| 17:05.16 | boubou | yes yes... it booted again |
| 17:05.29 | boubou | the errors only happens on a shutdown |
| 17:05.48 | mtn | boubou: so, it does boot ok and run ok? |
| 17:06.02 | boubou | yes |
| 17:06.09 | mtn | boubou: which version of debian? |
| 17:06.18 | boubou | the latest |
| 17:06.24 | boubou | 8.5 |
| 17:06.33 | boubou | jessie ? |
| 17:06.37 | mtn | boubou: what happens when you shutdown? |
| 17:06.49 | boubou | kerrnel panic |
| 17:06.55 | mtn | boubou: what kernel panic? |
| 17:07.04 | boubou | with calltrace etc |
| 17:07.17 | boubou | how can I check it remotely ? |
| 17:07.31 | mtn | boubou: please give us the exact error. again, you can take notes or a pic. paste the pic to imgur.com |
| 17:07.33 | boubou | dmesg ? |
| 17:07.40 | boubou | ok |
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| 17:08.05 | boubou | when I will go to my office, I will give it for sure |
| 17:08.33 | mtn | boubou: no private messages. take here in the channel. |
| 17:08.37 | mtn | boubou: To aim your comments at someone, type the first few letters of their nick and hit the tab key. |
| 17:08.49 | boubou | lol |
| 17:08.52 | boubou | ok |
| 17:09.01 | boubou | are u a debian dev ? |
| 17:09.10 | mtn | boubou: no, just an user |
| 17:09.13 | boubou | ok |
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| 17:20.22 | deb | hmm in debian 8, how to disable pure-ftpd service? |
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| 17:21.01 | psichas | servce <service name> stop |
| 17:21.04 | psichas | ? |
| 17:21.15 | psichas | service name stop try |
| 17:21.46 | deb | disable like from boot up |
| 17:22.19 | deb | not just stop, i want to prevent to start in every boot up ever |
| 17:22.20 | mutante | servicectl --global disable pure-ftpd ? |
| 17:22.41 | deb | mutante, let me try, thanks |
| 17:23.12 | deb | mutante, servicectl is not a valid command |
| 17:23.15 | b6s3d | hi can you help me? http://pastebin.com/raw/pcLVQp01 |
| 17:23.25 | mutante | deb: sorry, systemctl |
| 17:23.55 | deb | mutante, thanks, booting up |
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| 17:24.23 | mutante | the --global part should mean "for all users" |
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| 17:26.27 | deb | mutante, didn't work, after reboot ps aux still shows root 1359 0.0 0.4 44808 4296 ? Ss 12:25 0:00 pure-ftpd (SERVER) |
| 17:27.08 | mutante | deb: is there a file like /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd ? |
| 17:27.11 | mutante | or similar |
| 17:27.27 | mutante | how about removing the package if you dont want it anyways |
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| 17:47.39 | hadesistan | hi |
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| 17:58.17 | hiya | Upgrading to testing, scared |
| 17:58.18 | hiya | :P |
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| 18:05.03 | missmbob | hiya: keep in mind for testing support you want to go to #debian-next on oftc |
| 18:05.06 | Klaus_Dieter | apparently debuild is really not applying the patches that are in ./patches directory of an apt-src tree. |
| 18:05.12 | Klaus_Dieter | what do I have to do to apply it? |
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| 18:06.34 | hiya | missmbob, Ok |
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| 18:13.48 | winsen | awall: I pm you |
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| 18:59.04 | awal1 | missbob, :D |
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| 19:02.12 | mazert | hello, i would like to know how to upgrade my opengl version from 2.1 to 3.* at least. I've got an intel graphic card |
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| 19:03.15 | somiaj | mazert: whih intel graphics card? |
| 19:03.24 | somiaj | mazert: I assume you are running debian-jessie? |
| 19:03.34 | mazert | in the doc, i've seen we can install non-free intel driver but it is not so easy : https://wiki.debian.org/IntelEmbeddedMediaGraphicsDriver |
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| 19:04.20 | winsen | awall: how to know if wicd or NM is working or not? |
| 19:04.24 | mazert | somiaj: i'm using sid, my graphic card model is : Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 19:04.27 | somiaj | I would just use the intel driver and kernel from jessie-backports if you want a newer intel driver for your card. |
| 19:04.46 | winsen | awall: by command line for example |
| 19:04.51 | somiaj | mazert: if you are running sid, you should have the newest drivers/open gl debian has to offer. |
| 19:05.19 | somiaj | winsen: ps fax <-- that will list all running processes, look for wicd or the network manager daemon and see if any is running |
| 19:05.35 | arha | what is -f? |
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| 19:06.35 | mazert | somiaj: maybe i've got some missing packages so, on my computers i've this output on my glxinfo : https://paste.gnome.org/pjovoxf3q |
| 19:06.44 | somiaj | arha: full-format listing, it makes it tree out nicely |
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| 19:07.34 | somiaj | ,v libgl1-mesa |
| 19:07.35 | judd | No package named 'libgl1-mesa' was found in amd64. |
| 19:07.47 | somiaj | ,v libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 19:07.48 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-glx on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 11.1.3-1~bpo8+1; sid: 11.2.2-1; stretch: 11.2.2-1; experimental: 12.0.1-3 |
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| 19:08.15 | somiaj | mazert: I don't know mesa well enough to konw what version you will need to get opengl 3 version. |
| 19:08.32 | somiaj | mazert: but it looks like you are running the newest version of mesa in sid, 11.2.2 |
| 19:10.08 | jelly | mazert, that sounds like rather old hardware, what CPU model is in there? |
| 19:10.12 | mazert | somiaj: yes, i've already this package installed. |
| 19:10.51 | mazert | somiaj: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz |
| 19:11.33 | mazert | yes you are right, maybe the graphic card is not too good to run higher version of opengl |
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| 19:12.37 | somiaj | yea core2 duo seem like quite old cpu to me |
| 19:12.52 | mazert | but i was thinking about drivers from intel, they provide package for fedora and ubuntu only, but i'm not sure if it is the good way to follow |
| 19:13.09 | mazert | https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/intel-graphics-installer-linux-1.4.0 |
| 19:13.22 | somiaj | mazert: you can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log or /home/username/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log if using startx and see what the log says about the hardware and why it is using open gl version 2.1 |
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| 19:16.56 | mazert | somiaj: hmm i do not have any log files on these paths, |
| 19:17.30 | somiaj | mazert: you don't have any log files in /var/log? |
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| 19:17.49 | mazert | somiaj: only xorg logs |
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| 19:17.52 | somiaj | mazert: what desktop are you running and how do you login? |
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| 19:18.14 | mazert | xorgs log are missing i meant |
| 19:18.30 | mazert | gnome3.20, login with gdm |
| 19:19.08 | winsen2 | awall: http://paste.debian.net/789086/, we can see something from 390 to 393 network manager but nothing says it's about wicd? |
| 19:19.47 | somiaj | mazert: so you don't have any xorg logs, that is strange. Though I think gnome is using waylend now and since I don't use gnome or waylend I'm unsure what if any role xorg and the logs would play |
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| 19:20.17 | winsen2 | awal1: http://paste.debian.net/789086/, we can see something from 390 to 393 network manager but nothing says it's about wicd? |
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| 19:22.18 | missmbob | somiaj: not yet |
| 19:22.20 | winsen2 | somiaj: sorry, I was confused, http://paste.debian.net/789086/, we can see something from 390 to 393 network manager but nothing says it's about wicd? |
| 19:22.22 | mazert | somiaj: yes I have the coice to run under xorg or wayland with gdm. |
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| 19:23.37 | mazert | somiaj: I've read now gnome put xorg logs in ssytemd |
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| 19:23.50 | winsen2 | somiaj: however I stopped wicd service |
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| 19:25.19 | somiaj | winsen2: looks like you are now running network-manager (not wicd). Unsure what your original issue/problem is though. |
| 19:27.26 | winsen2 | somiaj: from 390 to 393? |
| 19:28.09 | somiaj | winsen2: I see the NetworkManager process running (line 53) and the nm-applet running (line 76) |
| 19:28.19 | somiaj | winsen2: the numbers you are reporting are the process id |
| 19:29.05 | winsen2 | somiaj: In fact I installed both NM and wicd. let's try when I launch wincd at the same what should appear? |
| 19:29.46 | winsen2 | somiaj: thanks for the explanation. what would happen if I stop NM and wicd? |
| 19:30.20 | somiaj | winsen2: you may have to reconfigure your network, but you can switch from netowrk manager to wicd. |
| 19:30.37 | somiaj | winsen2: if you have both of them installed you may have to use systemctl to control which gets loaded at boot or you can just remove network-manager |
| 19:30.44 | mazert | i've finally found the xorg log but nothing interesting about opengl. Well, I think i'll buy a better graphic card to solve this problem |
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| 19:33.49 | winsen2 | somiaj: I used "systemctl disable wicd.service" but once I reboot the machine I got error message about wicd saying that I don't have access to internet!? however NM was already installed. |
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| 19:34.31 | theviajerock | Hi.. |
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| 19:35.23 | theviajerock | Can somebody help me please? I'm playing with LXC... I'm trying to see a web app from another computer through nat |
| 19:35.29 | theviajerock | But it doesn't work |
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| 19:35.44 | somiaj | winsen2: that would have disabled wicd and made it so nm manager loaded, if you want wicd, enable wicd and disable network manager |
| 19:35.52 | winsen2 | somiaj: what does line 53 means and line 76? |
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| 19:36.17 | somiaj | winsen2: that just lists the name of the process that is running |
| 19:36.39 | somiaj | winsen2: i.e. line 53 says the process /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --no-daemon is running (as if you ran it from the command line) |
| 19:36.41 | winsen2 | somiaj: yes that's what I did but I had error message saying that I have no internet access. |
| 19:37.13 | somiaj | winsen2: line 76 says that your x-session-manager has also loaded the command nm-applet |
| 19:37.25 | winsen2 | ok thanks |
| 19:37.31 | somiaj | winsen2: unsure exactly, I'm not that familar with either nm or wicd, I just use /etc/network/interfaces to configure my network. |
| 19:38.10 | winsen2 | somiaj: If I stop both. what would happend? |
| 19:38.28 | somiaj | winsen2: then you would have to configure your network by hand or using another tool |
| 19:38.40 | somiaj | winsen2: may rule with network is don't use multiple tools to manage it, just use the one you like |
| 19:39.11 | awal1 | winsen2, so easy to play with nm and wicd services. run systemctl -all | less and earch for NetworkManager and wicd services using / |
| 19:39.32 | awal1 | paste the output of systemctl status wicd NetworkManager |
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| 19:41.02 | psichas | not here on pastebin.com website |
| 19:41.21 | winsen2 | somiaj: If I stoped both. http://paste.debian.net/789090/ |
| 19:41.44 | winsen2 | awal1: what is the command line? |
| 19:42.40 | awal1 | winsen2, forget ps. just execute in terminal, as regular user the following: systemctl status wicd NetworkManager |
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| 19:44.39 | awal1 | ... |
| 19:45.30 | psichas | hard mission ;) |
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| 19:45.58 | awal1 | winsen2,for disable nm and wicd services just execute as ROOT: systemctl disable wicd.service NetworkManager.service |
| 19:47.44 | winsen2 | somiaj, awal1: http://paste.debian.net/789094/ |
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| 19:48.46 | s7r | no CVE for the TCP off-path attack discovered in linux kernels > 3.6? I am subscribed to the list but didn't see anything |
| 19:49.22 | winsen2 | somiaj, awal1: I stoped both so normally it should show that. right? |
| 19:49.36 | awal1 | winsen2, NetworkManager not Manage ^ ^ |
| 19:50.01 | winsen2 | what does that mean? both are stopped nm and wicd right? |
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| 19:50.40 | awal1 | and remove or disable network-manager-gnome and wicd-daemon.py from being launched when you login in X |
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| 19:51.09 | winsen2 | so now my machine is using basically "etc/network.interfaces"? |
| 19:51.15 | awal1 | remove network-manager and disable wicd-daemon.py ^ |
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| 19:52.22 | awal1 | sorry, I meant remove notwork-manager-gnome and disable wicd-daemon.py ^ |
| 19:52.41 | awal1 | or just disable them |
| 19:52.55 | somiaj | s7r: do you mean CVE or DSA, if you can figure out the CVE you can use the debian security tracker to see the status of that CVE in debian (the DSA only annouces fixed issues) |
| 19:53.01 | winsen2 | awal1: why should I do that? I am just trying to understand how things work |
| 19:53.16 | s7r | somiaj: sorry my bad, DSE |
| 19:53.19 | s7r | DSA* |
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| 19:53.42 | jelly | s7r: a CVE was assigned: CVE-2016-5696 |
| 19:54.06 | s7r | no fix yet? wheezy and jessie are vulnerable afaik |
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| 19:54.22 | jelly | there's a known workaround, apply it if you have services exposed |
| 19:54.32 | jelly | wheezy is on 3.2-based kernel |
| 19:54.38 | somiaj | s7r: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-5696 is the current status in debian |
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| 19:55.14 | awal1 | winsen2, sorry, me I must leave now. you wanted to disable nm and wicd and I already told you what to do. if you dont understood , ask again and other people will help you maybe better |
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| 19:57.19 | s7r | oh, the fix is here https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/75ff39ccc1bd5d3c455b6822ab09e533c551f758 it's just unpatched yet in debian. it's just a matter of time |
| 19:57.46 | jasabella | i just changed my system locale, short of reinstalling the system, is there an easy way to update all my packages to this new locale? |
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| 19:57.57 | jasabella | (removed the old locale too) |
| 19:58.01 | AutisticH1TL3R | Hello |
| 19:58.42 | winsen2 | awal1: now I started wicd and stopped nm: http://paste.debian.net/789097/ |
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| 19:59.53 | winsen2 | somiaj, awal1: normally it seems ok. I can see wicd started but I can not see nm stopped? |
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| 20:00.40 | winsen2 | somiaj: are you still there? |
| 20:00.52 | AutisticH1TL3R | winsen2: the Jew is gone. |
| 20:01.06 | AutisticH1TL3R | It died of fart gas poisoning in a gas chamber where it farted |
| 20:01.21 | winsen2 | AutisticH1TL3R: who is the jew? :) |
| 20:01.34 | AutisticH1TL3R | Whoever you were talking to, I presume |
| 20:01.53 | winsen2 | AutisticH1TL3R: you're funny dude |
| 20:01.58 | AutisticH1TL3R | Jews invented the Uzi to kill Germans. That makes them evil. So we make them eat farts |
| 20:02.04 | LtL | winsen2: don't feed trolls |
| 20:02.23 | AutisticH1TL3R | LtL, where is the troll? We can kill it, in a fart gas chamber! |
| 20:02.25 | winsen2 | LtL: what are you talking about? |
| 20:04.05 | AutisticH1TL3R | LtL, are you a jew? |
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| 20:04.49 | winsen2 | LtL: do you feel targeted? |
| 20:04.55 | LtL | !op AutisticH1TL3R nazi wannabe trolling |
| 20:04.58 | LtL | winsen2: no |
| 20:05.05 | AutisticH1TL3R | LtL, don't do this |
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| 20:05.08 | LtL | !ops AutisticH1TL3R nazi wannabe trolling |
| 20:05.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ltl complains about: AutisticH1TL3R nazi wannabe trolling |
| 20:05.11 | Exagone313 | please ignore trolls |
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| 20:05.17 | a7x | AutisticH1TL3R, no mass spam please. |
| 20:05.20 | AutisticH1TL3R | Drop the Uzi and stop being a Jew. |
| 20:05.26 | AutisticH1TL3R | a7x: are you a jew too? |
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| 20:06.10 | Rust3dCor3 | i order a glass oj juice |
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| 20:06.19 | Rust3dCor3 | not gas the jews |
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| 20:07.21 | Rust3dCor3 | i think that my flat sense of humor discouraged him |
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| 20:18.17 | winsen2 | LtL: EVERYONE has the right to live. Jews race doesn't exist. Jewish are believers as christians, muslims...etc. If you are believer in Judaism than you are Jewish full stop. Stop trolling with Jewish race. |
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| 20:26.14 | joze | or it's trumps fault |
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| 20:31.01 | winsen2 | somiaj: awal1: thank you |
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| 20:36.56 | jhutchins | Perhaps user is not root. |
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| 21:48.10 | vboxuser | good day everyone |
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| 21:48.32 | vboxuser | maybe somebody can help me out |
| 21:48.39 | vboxuser | I have a weird problem with my debian guests in virtualbox |
| 21:48.47 | vboxuser | it seems to be addressed here |
| 21:48.47 | vboxuser | https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24383 |
| 21:48.52 | vboxuser | but that is from 2010 |
| 21:49.01 | vboxuser | and the files they talk about are not inside my guest jessies |
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| 21:49.34 | vboxuser | basically I have a working VM internal network -> export to .ova > re-import and the networking stops working |
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| 21:49.59 | vboxuser | over at #vbox they told me to ask around here :) |
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| 21:50.22 | vboxuser | how can i re-initalitze networking to accept the new macs? |
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| 21:52.09 | jelly | vboxuser, which debian release? |
| 21:52.11 | jelly | !70 |
| 21:52.12 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>. |
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| 21:53.00 | jelly | jessie, right |
| 21:53.37 | vboxuser | I am on jessie |
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| 21:54.13 | vboxuser | removing /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules should solve it |
| 21:54.19 | vboxuser | but /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules doesn't exist in the first place |
| 21:54.44 | vboxuser | and it worked for month...exporting my VM's and reimproting on a headless server or another system and it just worked |
| 21:54.50 | vboxuser | suddenly I have these problems :( |
| 21:56.20 | jhutchins | vboxuser: What if you remove the vnic then re-add it. |
| 21:56.50 | jelly | vboxuser, what kind of symptom do you actually see? Do dmesg and "ip l" show any interfaces? |
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| 21:57.53 | vboxuser | ifconfig shows eth0 as usual |
| 21:58.01 | vboxuser | but I cannot ping |
| 21:58.05 | vboxuser | no packets go through |
| 21:58.12 | vboxuser | the 2nd vm is the gateway |
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| 21:58.20 | jhutchins | vboxuser: syslog & dmesg |
| 21:58.34 | vboxuser | in the working VM's i can ping the main machine on 10.152.152.12 |
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| 21:58.43 | vboxuser | one sec |
| 22:00.12 | jelly | vboxuser, show the actual output in a pastebin, please |
| 22:00.15 | jelly | !paste |
| 22:00.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 22:00.28 | vboxuser | okay ha, I cannot copy the outputs to a pastebin.. |
| 22:00.38 | vboxuser | yes thank you. would have used pastebin |
| 22:00.43 | jelly | can you make a screenshot? |
| 22:00.54 | vboxuser | yes that should work |
| 22:00.57 | jelly | imgur or picpaste |
| 22:01.29 | jelly | "dmesg|grep eth" and "ip a" |
| 22:01.52 | jelly | and "ip r" while you're at it |
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| 22:08.33 | vboxuser | here is dmesg for eth |
| 22:08.33 | vboxuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.35 | vboxuser | sorry |
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| 22:09.19 | jmcnaught | vboxuser: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules doesn't exist on VMs in Debian starting with jessie |
| 22:09.33 | vboxuser | i see |
| 22:09.36 | vboxuser | thanks for the info |
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| 22:10.56 | vboxuser2 | imgur.com/a/0eTH1 |
| 22:11.04 | vboxuser2 | output of dmesg for eth |
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| 22:12.32 | vboxuser | no output for "ip a" |
| 22:12.49 | vboxuser | oh there is |
| 22:12.49 | jelly | interesting. |
| 22:12.50 | vboxuser | one sec |
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| 22:13.34 | vboxuser2 | http://imgur.com/a/gLfCK |
| 22:14.00 | vboxuser2 | I use vbox since years. I never had this issue.. |
| 22:14.11 | vboxuser2 | export/import always works like a charm |
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| 22:14.29 | vboxuser2 | only differnce maybe is jessie 8.3 8.4 now 8.5 |
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| 22:15.03 | jelly | so the VM thinks there's no link up |
| 22:15.32 | jelly | that sounds like a hypervisor or VM config issue |
| 22:15.38 | vboxuser2 | yes. over @ #vbox they said its because of the mac address change |
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| 22:15.57 | vboxuser2 | the configs are identical to the two original working guest VM's |
| 22:16.03 | jelly | the mac address change would have caused the IP address not to be set up at all |
| 22:16.20 | jelly | however the ipv4 address seems to be configured. |
| 22:16.30 | vboxuser2 | yes its configired static |
| 22:16.49 | vboxuser2 | configured to 10.152.152.10 and 10.152.152.12 |
| 22:17.00 | jelly | without additional info, I'd say you need to check the vm options. |
| 22:17.17 | vboxuser2 | believe me I checke them all := |
| 22:17.22 | vboxuser2 | dozens of times |
| 22:17.35 | format_c | ethtool eth0 |
| 22:17.46 | vboxuser2 | actually I tried to clone the VM's as well and same issue |
| 22:17.54 | format_c | This would show the status IP protocol independet |
| 22:17.59 | vboxuser2 | of course the originals have been shut down |
| 22:18.05 | vboxuser2 | okay checking |
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| 22:18.23 | vboxuser2 | ethtool is not installed |
| 22:18.27 | vboxuser2 | its the netinstall minimal |
| 22:18.39 | jelly | and it's probably not going to show a lot on the emulated e1000 |
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| 22:19.05 | format_c | and "ip link" ? |
| 22:19.47 | jelly | ip a already shows NO-CARRIER |
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| 22:19.56 | vboxuser2 | http://imgur.com/a/nUW69 |
| 22:20.55 | vboxuser2 | my client will kill me haha. This is my weird issue of the year ;) |
| 22:21.17 | format_c | Yes. Can only be a hypervisor config thing. |
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| 22:21.50 | vboxuser2 | okay I will try to purge virtualbox and install th version before where it was working. |
| 22:21.54 | vboxuser2 | will report back asap |
| 22:21.57 | vboxuser2 | thank you for your help |
| 22:22.09 | format_c | However, I find it challenging setting up virtual box in a way guests behaving this way. |
| 22:22.24 | jelly | vboxuser2, you can try to show the vm network config to the vbox people |
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| 22:40.44 | vysag | I've got three (not the newest) laptops with optical drives. How do I find out which one is the best to use for converting cda to flac? |
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| 22:42.11 | jelly | (vboxuser2 apparently had the same mac address on multiple configured VM guests, and unsurprisingly VM host solution doesn't like that very much) |
| 22:42.13 | arha | uh, only cpu matters for that |
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| 22:42.36 | vysag | arha: no, optical drives have diffs in precision |
| 22:43.08 | arha | nah, CD-A is pretty much a standard. 48k sample rate, 2 channels, 16 bit resolution |
| 22:43.18 | jelly | vysag, if you care... none are, find an old scsi plextor burner and old scsi controller :-) |
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| 22:43.55 | vysag | jelly: I've already thought about buying a good USB optical drive. Any hints? |
| 22:43.57 | transhuman | hi I would like to get a few nvidia packages running on debian if possible running jessie http://paste.debian.net/789152/ is it possible? |
| 22:44.17 | arha | shouldn't you get pretty much the same output if you rip to raw different copies of the same cd with different units |
| 22:44.17 | vboxuser | i think i found it |
| 22:44.19 | vboxuser | veryfying |
| 22:44.42 | jelly | arha, reading cd audio yields different offsets and errors are handled in subtly different ways on different devices |
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| 22:45.21 | jelly | cdparanoia tries to deal with the latter but can't fix the initial offset |
| 22:45.22 | Akuw | i need SDL to Super Nintendo Emulador |
| 22:45.28 | arha | offsets? |
| 22:45.31 | Akuw | what repository have that? |
| 22:45.37 | vysag | jelly, is there any short-term solution to find out which of the three drives is least worse? |
| 22:45.44 | arha | i understand the errors in a way |
| 22:46.07 | jelly | arha, a couple dozen-hundred bits at the start |
| 22:46.39 | jelly | vysag, try all and look at the differences? |
| 22:47.07 | vysag | jelly: okay |
| 22:47.08 | arha | i'd go the other way, encode a CDA with a known waveform |
| 22:47.15 | arha | something like 60 minutes of a sine |
| 22:47.20 | arha | read it back, see how much it deviates |
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| 22:47.37 | arha | actually, just mirror the original and diff with the readback one |
| 22:47.42 | jelly | that's how people found out about the offsets. |
| 22:47.44 | arha | it should cancel perfectly out... |
| 22:47.53 | vysag | arha: I'd first have to burn it perfectly |
| 22:48.16 | arha | like cd printing houses do |
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| 22:49.26 | arha | jelly: what's the deal with the offsets though? |
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| 22:49.32 | arha | are they more than blanks? |
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| 22:50.02 | jelly | I don't remember whether there were just zeroes or random garbage at the beginning |
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| 22:50.15 | jelly | it was 15, maybe 20 years back |
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| 22:51.02 | vysag | jelly, have there applications been implemented that compare two flac files and tell which has the better quality or do I have the check against the original each? |
| 22:51.10 | jelly | annoying if you have to cut audio tracks precisely and there are no gaps, tho |
| 22:51.12 | mirak | hi |
| 22:51.57 | arha | vysag, the thing is, how do you define 'quality' beyond the point of being unable to hear it |
| 22:51.58 | mirak | when I insert a usb key it's automatically mounted. I would like to repartition the usb key, but when I unmount, the device also disapear |
| 22:52.16 | mirak | is there a way to have the device appear again without beeing mounted ? |
| 22:52.20 | jelly | vysag, for the most part you won't see a difference in quality. There may be errors, and a small difference in the beginning of actual track audio. |
| 22:52.20 | vysag | arha: by measuring jitter, etc... There are ways |
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| 22:52.47 | jelly | s/see/have/; |
| 22:52.51 | arha | yeah but so is a recording at 192k |
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| 22:53.15 | arha | i'm sorta curious where you're going with this, being a bit interested in sound engineering myself |
| 22:53.32 | jelly | mirak, unmount it very carefully from the command line? |
| 22:53.51 | mirak | jelly: it fails silently |
| 22:54.08 | mirak | jelly: it only works through nautilus eject button |
| 22:54.12 | jelly | mirak, are you doing the umount as root? |
| 22:54.23 | mirak | jelly: yes, root and user |
| 22:54.46 | jelly | mirak, and "df" or "mount" shows the mountpoint afterwards? |
| 22:54.54 | vysag | arha: it's something special. I was at a brain institute which checked my brainwaves and then created an audio CD on which there are sounds that should have a positive effect on my psyche |
| 22:54.54 | mirak | yes |
| 22:55.07 | mirak | vysag: lol |
| 22:55.27 | jelly | mirak, I guess it's possible the gnome automounter just mounts it back right away |
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| 22:55.46 | mirak | jelly: ok, maybe I can kill the process |
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| 22:55.57 | jelly | mirak, log off, log in at the console, see how that fares? |
| 22:55.59 | arha | vysag: how do you know they don't have a bunch of mp3s they burn selectively to the cd? o_O |
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| 22:56.19 | mirak | jelly: it should work yes, but I wanted to use gparted |
| 22:56.30 | arha | did you meditate? |
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| 22:56.32 | mirak | so i will do in console with fdisk probably |
| 22:56.35 | vysag | arha, they told me they don't and that I should either hear from the CD or convert it into an uncompressed format. |
| 22:56.37 | arha | or what did they make you do? |
| 22:56.58 | jelly | mirak, hm. You can still just wipe the partition table from the console, then go back to GUI |
| 22:57.00 | vysag | arha: I can't meditate because I cannot cool down my mind |
| 22:57.09 | arha | oh. |
| 22:57.10 | arha | ADD? |
| 22:57.25 | arha | i sorta did something like that, long time ago. |
| 22:57.40 | vysag | arha, why have you stopped? |
| 22:57.48 | arha | binaural beats, there are some linux tools for it. different freqs in each ear heterodyne in your mind to a beat |
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| 22:57.54 | arha | didn't really work |
| 22:58.12 | jelly | vysag, eh, if it's fresh media just try ripping it with any device |
| 22:58.24 | arha | but did they burn it perfectly? :D |
| 22:58.35 | arha | vysag: curious about it now. what do they sound like? |
| 22:59.01 | mirak | jelly: yes you are right, it should not be mounted |
| 22:59.06 | mirak | if there is nothing to mount |
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| 23:00.34 | vysag | arha: have not yet listened to it. But here's who did it: http://www.gehirnforschung.com/englisch/index.html |
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| 23:02.44 | arha | huh |
| 23:02.47 | arha | they have a study on that |
| 23:02.49 | arha | dx.doi.org/10.1080/13546805.2013.879054 |
| 23:03.23 | vysag | jelly: yes, will rip it tomorrow. What Plextor drive would you suggest? |
| 23:03.53 | vysag | arha: yes, I am autistic and my two brains are not synchronized for which the CD should help |
| 23:03.55 | arha | why not ask the guys for the files, tbh |
| 23:03.57 | M-alex_mayorga | ¡Hola! How do I extract photos from a camera in Debian? |
| 23:04.06 | arha | just tell them you have nothing with a cd player around |
| 23:04.20 | arha | not too far feteched today, cds are already old |
| 23:04.29 | vysag | M-alex_mayorga: you can usually just copy the files... |
| 23:04.56 | M-alex_mayorga | vysag (IRC): Let me raprhase, what's the photo manager of choice in Debian? |
| 23:05.06 | vysag | arha: what you think they gonna do? Send me a USB-stick with the file? |
| 23:05.21 | M-alex_mayorga | vysag (IRC): Looking for f-spot, but it seems it is a no go per https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=f-spot |
| 23:05.36 | arha | download link? |
| 23:05.55 | arha | still, ha, pretty interesting |
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| 23:06.40 | arha | it's a bit odd that if you google 'brain rhythm anomalies' it keeps pointing back to their study, but fascinating, nevertheless |
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| 23:08.40 | vysag | M-alex_mayorga: sorry, I don't have experience with such programs. But this might help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_organizer |
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| 23:09.39 | vysag | arha, you mean googling that points to the link you posted? |
| 23:11.04 | M-alex_mayorga | How come F-spot is not on Debian GNOME eventhough it is the GNOME default per https://help.gnome.org/users/f-spot/0.8/ ? |
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| 23:13.22 | jelly | vysag, no idea. Google suggests https://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?25782-CD-DVD-Drive-Accuracy-List-2012 |
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| 23:16.19 | vysag | jelly, thanks |
| 23:16.53 | vysag | arha, maybe I might really ask them whether they could provide the raw file |
| 23:18.04 | vysag | jelly, these are old drives not to be found anymore :( |
| 23:19.53 | jelly | vysag, yes, that's going to be a problem. Noone uses cds any more. |
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| 23:21.36 | vysag | jelly: at least high-quality drives for reading are still needed! |
| 23:21.47 | vysag | jelly, CDs and DVDs |
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| 23:22.07 | KaiserAres | hi ive a small problem im running jessie and i want to install openjdk 8. sudo spt-get install openjdk-8-jdk just leaves me with a package missing error. anyone got a suggestion |
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| 23:26.13 | jelly | ,v openjdk-8-jdk |
| 23:26.14 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u102-b14.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 8u102-b14.1-2; stretch: 8u102-b14.1-2 |
| 23:26.30 | jelly | dpkg, tell KaiserAres about jessie-backports |
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| 23:41.11 | arha | vysag: maybe |
| 23:41.32 | arha | and if you do and/or rip them, can you drop me a pm here? I'm really interested in neurosci stuff |
| 23:42.02 | arha | also, if you like this field and music, check up daniel levitin |
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| 23:50.53 | vysag | arha: okay, I will tell you these days when I have listened to it |
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| 23:52.57 | vysag | arha, thanks for the hint on Livitin |
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| 23:55.58 | vysag | arha, Daniel Levitin: How to stay calm when you know you'll be stressed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jPQjjsBbIc |
| 23:56.09 | arha | he has a few books |
| 23:56.13 | arha | this is your brain on music is one |
| 23:56.22 | arha | sort of popsci |
| 23:56.32 | arha | and another one, much more scientific, dealing with information overload |
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| 23:57.12 | arha | that is the ted with the forgotten passport, isn't it? |
| 23:58.09 | transhuman | hi I am close (1 package away from getting this working unfortunately even though libboost for ubuntu packages are close they are not exactly the same 1.54 vs 1.55 I cant seem to get the packages correct enough to run nvidias digits api...anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:58.58 | transhuman | 1.55 exists in debian 1.54 is the required versions |
| 23:59.27 | vysag | arha, I'm gonna sleep now. I would contact you in a couple of days when I have listened to the CD. Are you always connected or only on specific times. |
| 23:59.38 | vysag | ?? |