| 00:00.37 | orb | so, nic firmware apparently isn't a requirement, even though it complains? |
| 00:01.29 | Lionyx | tks doebi polyzen |
| 00:01.54 | polyzen | no problem |
| 00:02.32 | Sander^home | Is the tcp session id bug fixed with a workaround now? |
| 00:06.29 | *** join/#debian alexandros_c (~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531) |
| 00:06.38 | *** join/#debian Guest74558 (~sbine@unaffiliated/sbine) |
| 00:07.50 | *** join/#debian clopez (~tau@neutrino.es) |
| 00:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1629] by debhelper |
| 00:09.23 | Sander^home | I guess its just to set the ack limit to some high value. |
| 00:12.41 | *** join/#debian Raed|Mobile (~Raed@2607:fb90:4440:c28f:cb42:36b2:9331:9489) |
| 00:15.24 | *** join/#debian denisk (~denisk@60.225.173.162) |
| 00:16.35 | *** join/#debian andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 00:17.04 | *** join/#debian AL_Kernell (wernerml@189.27.141.9.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 00:17.54 | *** join/#debian q3aql (~q3aql@129.red-79-152-206.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 00:19.42 | *** join/#debian lsv_ (~nn@CPE84948c2eddc1-CM84948c2eddc0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 00:20.13 | *** join/#debian Belkaar (~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar) |
| 00:21.29 | *** join/#debian Klaatu (~quassel@h-42-39.a357.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 00:23.22 | *** join/#debian zurh (~zurh@unaffiliated/zurh) |
| 00:23.47 | *** join/#debian plover (~fern@221.121.149.1) |
| 00:26.29 | *** join/#debian lsv (~nn@CPE84948c2eddc1-CM84948c2eddc0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 00:27.33 | *** join/#debian canopus (~canopus@unaffiliated/pierrot) |
| 00:28.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1623] by debhelper |
| 00:28.10 | *** join/#debian johnny0 (~johnny0@unaffiliated/johnny0) |
| 00:28.40 | *** join/#debian alexlist (~alexlist@bjoerk.list.priv.at) |
| 00:28.58 | *** join/#debian mpmc (~mpmc@unaffiliated/mpmc) |
| 00:29.01 | *** join/#debian kama0o0_______ (~deb@148.163.189.55) |
| 00:29.15 | *** join/#debian fengling (~fengling@58.135.95.136) |
| 00:29.16 | *** join/#debian noteness (~noteness@unaffiliated/nessessary129) |
| 00:30.32 | *** join/#debian Al3xG0 (~unix@unaffiliated/al3xg0) |
| 00:31.29 | *** join/#debian Sabotender (~Sabotende@unaffiliated/sabotender) |
| 00:33.09 | *** join/#debian nighty (~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 00:33.33 | *** join/#debian xiaodong (~xiaodong@128.199.200.83) |
| 00:33.59 | *** join/#debian Klaus_Dieter (~klaus@x4e31fb46.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 00:34.55 | *** join/#debian sqwishy (~weechat@69.172.180.204) |
| 00:35.07 | *** join/#debian ec0 (~ec0@2001:44b8:3186:5100:d3f6:c827:205a:10c2) |
| 00:35.45 | *** join/#debian uestra (~uestra@p5DDA6BD0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 00:36.12 | Sander^home | Yeah, looks like its fixed some weeks ago:) |
| 00:37.01 | *** join/#debian mpmc (~mpmc@unaffiliated/mpmc) |
| 00:37.31 | *** join/#debian Hi||ary (~p3n|$@37.48.80.94) |
| 00:37.48 | Hi||ary | how can I get the latest-and-greatest flashrom? |
| 00:39.01 | Hi||ary | package. I have 0.9.7-r1782 in jessie. is there anything newer ? I checked the repo backports main, but nothing |
| 00:39.25 | *** join/#debian dvs (~hibbard@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 00:40.11 | *** join/#debian asc232 (~Keith@179.38.148.9) |
| 00:40.52 | *** join/#debian pencilandpaper (~penciland@unaffiliated/pencilandpaper) |
| 00:41.19 | *** join/#debian spektrum_ (~spektrum_@unaffiliated/spektrum/x-4869384) |
| 00:43.16 | *** join/#debian philipballew (~philip@ubuntu/member/philipballew) |
| 00:44.39 | *** join/#debian catsup (d@ps38852.dreamhost.com) |
| 00:44.40 | *** join/#debian a__ (d@ps38852.dreamhost.com) |
| 00:45.58 | *** join/#debian evade (~evade@c-24-10-155-54.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 00:47.41 | *** join/#debian dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 00:48.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1634] by debhelper |
| 00:48.04 | *** join/#debian brokencycle (~brokencyc@221.222.50.48) |
| 00:52.24 | *** join/#debian lucaswang (~lucaswang@117.135.159.4) |
| 00:55.21 | *** join/#debian Al3xG0 (~unix@46.246.44.95) |
| 00:55.22 | *** join/#debian Al3xG0 (~unix@unaffiliated/al3xg0) |
| 00:55.51 | *** join/#debian Sector89 (~Sector89@fsf/member/Sector89) |
| 00:56.07 | *** join/#debian mmcdermott (~mmcdermot@cpe-67-249-253-236.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 00:56.29 | *** join/#debian crazyglitch (~crazyglit@99.196.203.33) |
| 00:56.41 | *** join/#debian Hipkomh (~Hipkomh@219.159.152.24) |
| 00:57.41 | mmcdermott | i want to setup a box that will act as a wireless repeater. i want it to work over(in the input sense) wire and wireless. wired will be slow but more reliable, wireless should be preferred when it works |
| 00:57.47 | mmcdermott | im not sure what to look into to go about this |
| 00:58.04 | mmcdermott | i think i need something more advanced than just a bridge and i doubt i can just iptables this |
| 00:58.04 | *** join/#debian andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 00:58.43 | *** part/#debian teegee- (~teegee@188.166.55.237) |
| 00:58.59 | *** join/#debian jinppk (~jinppk@sek1365484.lnk.telstra.net) |
| 00:59.30 | Xin | more complicated than a bridge? |
| 00:59.39 | Xin | what does that mean |
| 00:59.49 | Xin | wired will be slow but more reliable?? |
| 00:59.53 | Xin | what are you talkin willis |
| 00:59.57 | Xin | wireless is preferable haha |
| 00:59.58 | jinppk | Hi all, how can i view the log of what debian (jessie) prints on the screen when its starting up? specifically the colour output where each line starts with [ OK ] or [ ERROR ]? |
| 01:00.05 | Xin | stop smoking the devils cabbage |
| 01:00.27 | Xin | jinppk; dmesg |
| 01:01.49 | jinppk | Xin ta |
| 01:02.54 | *** join/#debian safe (~safe@unaffiliated/safe) |
| 01:11.00 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:c9b1:96a1:7608:32ff) |
| 01:16.40 | *** join/#debian Ad1_RnR (~adrian@adtj51.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 01:17.11 | *** join/#debian kooldavi (~kooldavi@p54BF55DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:17.44 | *** join/#debian fossrox (~fossrox@unaffiliated/fossrox) |
| 01:20.02 | *** join/#debian tugrik (~username@war.funkyjesus.org) |
| 01:20.18 | *** join/#debian Adbray (~Adbtay@2001:470:1f11:def:9860:36e7:82a:9e8b) |
| 01:23.09 | *** join/#debian angerman (~m@bb219-75-53-219.singnet.com.sg) |
| 01:23.57 | *** join/#debian altin_ (~altin@flossk/altin) |
| 01:25.05 | ryouma | there is also the bootlogd package |
| 01:26.37 | Sander^home | Xin: You should watch the silicon valley tv series on youtube:) |
| 01:28.32 | ryouma | what does it mean when logs have null characters in them? various logs. |
| 01:29.07 | Sander^home | pretty funny when they pull the network cable through a wall |
| 01:29.17 | Sander^home | into the garage |
| 01:31.15 | Xin | Sander^home; I've watched the first season |
| 01:31.18 | Xin | pretty good! |
| 01:31.19 | *** join/#debian glebelg_droid (~yaaic@home.leboeuf.eu) |
| 01:31.49 | *** join/#debian sidmo_ (~sidmo@p5489D8A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:32.01 | *** join/#debian hfinn (~hfinn@154.73.12.104) |
| 01:32.06 | tubaman | anybody had a great experience with NVidia Optimus? If so how did you configure your Debian install? |
| 01:38.11 | *** join/#debian wbill (~wbill@96-38-107-68.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) |
| 01:41.15 | *** part/#debian jaggz (~jaggz@unaffiliated/jaggz) |
| 01:44.03 | *** join/#debian spektrum_ (~spektrum_@unaffiliated/spektrum/x-4869384) |
| 01:44.11 | *** join/#debian kzimmermann (~kzimmerma@177.133.102.196.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 01:46.49 | *** join/#debian superusr (~usr@p5B2457F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:49.45 | *** join/#debian tubaman (~tubaman@cpe-173-174-119-152.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 01:49.57 | *** join/#debian ryan57 (~ryan60@pool-71-185-28-237.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 01:50.25 | *** join/#debian kg_ebooks (~kg_ebooks@tx-74-5-99-166.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 01:50.30 | *** join/#debian cyphase (~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase) |
| 01:52.00 | *** join/#debian tubaman (~tubaman@cpe-173-174-119-152.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 01:52.06 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 01:53.10 | *** join/#debian MoonkYan_ (~moonkyang@de.bbido.com.yang.red) |
| 01:53.17 | *** join/#debian ccl (~ccl@unaffiliated/ccl) |
| 01:53.47 | *** join/#debian HanOverFist (~Adium@96-38-107-68.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) |
| 01:54.11 | *** join/#debian sm00th (~sm00th@unaffiliated/sm00th) |
| 01:54.22 | *** join/#debian HanOverFist (~Adium@96-38-107-68.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) |
| 01:54.45 | *** join/#debian HanOverFist (~Adium@96-38-107-68.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) |
| 01:55.27 | *** join/#debian js9600 (~js9600@87-57-20-106-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net) |
| 01:57.03 | *** join/#debian Polyphony (~john@ppp-70-252-88-48.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) |
| 02:01.30 | *** join/#debian bollocks_k (~bollocks@fedora/bollocks) |
| 02:05.36 | *** join/#debian chomwitt (~chomwitt@athedsl-351379.home.otenet.gr) |
| 02:11.28 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:19b6:2cc1:d5bc:4328) |
| 02:13.02 | Polyphony | After running some much needed updates, xbacklight returns "No outputs have backlight property" now, instead of actually changing the backlight. Has anyone else had this issue? |
| 02:14.41 | Polyphony | I searched around and could only find hacky work-arounds like using xrandr to set the brightness in software. Also, /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness exists and can be manually changed |
| 02:15.33 | ryouma | Polyphony: try ddccontrol |
| 02:15.48 | ryouma | ddccontrol -p -r 0x10 -w ${1:-0} >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 02:16.39 | ryouma | strangely, my sys/class/backlight is empty |
| 02:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1626] by debhelper |
| 02:18.12 | hfinn | doebi, thank you. It worked |
| 02:18.33 | Polyphony | I'll check it out, but I should add I'm running debian testing on a Lenovo Thinkpad (T-450s) |
| 02:21.09 | *** join/#debian turfrex (~py@ool-1826eaa1.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:22.03 | Polyphony | ryouma: Thanks for the suggestion, but it turns out I don't have a monitor supporting DDC/CI |
| 02:22.12 | *** join/#debian kzbhop (~kzbhop@unaffiliated/kzbhop) |
| 02:23.27 | ryouma | Polyphony: can you write to the backlight instead of relying on xbacklight? |
| 02:24.18 | Polyphony | yeah, I can, and it's possible to just write a script to do that manually |
| 02:25.26 | Polyphony | but I wonder what changed |
| 02:26.33 | *** join/#debian chachasmooth (~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth) |
| 02:32.52 | *** join/#debian Guest74558 (~sbine@unaffiliated/sbine) |
| 02:33.14 | *** join/#debian jaggz (~jaggz@unaffiliated/jaggz) |
| 02:42.35 | *** join/#debian hexagoxel (~hexagoxel@p4FCCCA3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:45.15 | *** join/#debian sxar (~sxar@adsl-74-176-112-246.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 02:45.22 | *** join/#debian trumee (~trumee@c-73-155-87-64.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 02:46.47 | *** join/#debian spektrum_ (~spektrum_@unaffiliated/spektrum/x-4869384) |
| 02:48.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1618] by debhelper |
| 02:49.43 | *** join/#debian malf (~malf@66-44-42-2.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 02:50.53 | *** join/#debian skylite (~skylite@5402D6C1.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 02:55.06 | *** join/#debian up2late_ (ircN@c-76-107-222-110.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 02:55.47 | *** join/#debian hualet (~hualet@113.57.50.16) |
| 02:56.24 | *** join/#debian lankanmon (~LKNnet@192-0-199-43.cpe.teksavvy.com) |
| 02:56.34 | *** join/#debian booboy_laptop (~booboy@c-50-129-174-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 02:57.21 | *** join/#debian N1CK53RV (~jabber@185.55.217.13) |
| 02:57.59 | *** join/#debian nprs (uid54228@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztyoebxrvggnnbuw) |
| 02:58.35 | N1CK53RV | nprs: check out ##cuntporn |
| 03:00.03 | *** join/#debian TheCoffeMaker (~TheCoffeM@186.136.217.118) |
| 03:00.03 | *** join/#debian TheCoffeMaker (~TheCoffeM@unaffiliated/thecoffemaker) |
| 03:00.29 | *** join/#debian Klaus_Dieter (~klaus@x4e31fb46.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 03:03.02 | *** join/#debian up2late (~email@c-76-107-222-110.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 03:06.59 | *** join/#debian canopus (~canopus@unaffiliated/pierrot) |
| 03:07.16 | *** join/#debian up2late (~email@unaffiliated/up2late) |
| 03:08.43 | *** join/#debian fstd_ (~fstd@unaffiliated/fisted) |
| 03:11.40 | *** join/#debian denisk (~denisk@60.225.173.162) |
| 03:11.58 | *** part/#debian fozniku (~fozniku@cpe-74-130-155-128.kya.res.rr.com) |
| 03:12.33 | *** join/#debian cburkhardt (~cburkhard@2601:447:8101:e5be:1e6f:65ff:feac:34b8) |
| 03:13.07 | *** join/#debian philipballew (~philip@ubuntu/member/philipballew) |
| 03:13.56 | *** part/#debian kg_ebooks (~kg_ebooks@tx-74-5-99-166.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 03:14.54 | *** join/#debian GunshipPenguin (~GunshipPe@d75-155-205-164.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 03:15.20 | Xin | !ops |
| 03:15.21 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 03:15.28 | Xin | !ops N1CK53RV |
| 03:15.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: xin complains about: N1CK53RV |
| 03:15.32 | N1CK53RV | !ops Xin abuse of !ops |
| 03:15.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: n1ck53rv complains about: Xin abuse of !ops |
| 03:16.50 | *** join/#debian Guest74558 (~sbine@unaffiliated/sbine) |
| 03:18.35 | *** join/#debian bertbob (~bertbob@reriding.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 03:18.53 | *** part/#debian Hi||ary (~p3n|$@37.48.80.94) |
| 03:20.24 | *** part/#debian jaggz (~jaggz@unaffiliated/jaggz) |
| 03:20.45 | *** join/#debian denis_k (~denisk@60.225.173.162) |
| 03:21.33 | *** join/#debian electro33 (uid613@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tywmxvfivbdrezbq) |
| 03:22.30 | *** join/#debian iViLe (~bob@c110-22-77-178.chirn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 03:22.39 | *** join/#debian pencilandpaper (~penciland@unaffiliated/pencilandpaper) |
| 03:26.35 | *** join/#debian cyberwolf (~unknown@h109-187-202-20.dyn.bashtel.ru) |
| 03:26.45 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 03:28.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1612] by debhelper |
| 03:28.39 | *** join/#debian Serialbox (~serialbox@unaffiliated/serialbox) |
| 03:29.03 | *** join/#debian u0_a84 (~u0_a84@static-81-219-26-53.devs.futuro.pl) |
| 03:30.04 | *** join/#debian trumee (~trumee@c-73-155-87-64.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 03:32.49 | *** join/#debian bp0 (~bp@unaffiliated/bp0) |
| 03:34.19 | *** join/#debian hanasaki (~hanasaki@pool-71-185-62-176.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 03:34.28 | *** mode/#debian [+o somiaj] by ChanServ |
| 03:34.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@185.55.217.13] by somiaj |
| 03:34.29 | *** kick/#debian [N1CK53RV!~jaimos@unaffiliated/somiaj] by somiaj (you should know better) |
| 03:34.29 | *** mode/#debian [-o somiaj] by somiaj |
| 03:35.32 | hanasaki | using systemd-networkd, the dhcpserver sends domain name however the client is not picking it up. so host fqdn looks up fine. just hostname does not have the domain name added for resolution |
| 03:40.34 | *** join/#debian Jaga-Jaga (~Jaga@92.176.57.244) |
| 03:40.55 | Jaga-Jaga | where can i get an english worldlist for a dictonary attack ? |
| 03:41.26 | *** join/#debian SpaceAce (~SpaceAce@124-170-148-15.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 03:43.21 | *** join/#debian Rusty1 (~kanotix@cpe-24-194-200-69.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 03:47.26 | *** join/#debian patterson (~patterson@73.93.141.151) |
| 03:47.38 | *** join/#debian trumee (~trumee@c-73-155-87-64.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 03:48.38 | *** join/#debian TheDrizzle (~iamthedri@104.200.151.39) |
| 03:49.29 | *** join/#debian spektrum_ (~spektrum_@unaffiliated/spektrum/x-4869384) |
| 03:50.25 | *** join/#debian anton02 (~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net) |
| 03:50.33 | *** join/#debian pyface (~pyface@about/security/contributor/pyface) |
| 03:53.11 | *** join/#debian GunshipPenguin (~GunshipPe@d75-155-205-164.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 03:53.43 | *** part/#debian TheDrizzle (~iamthedri@104.200.151.39) |
| 03:54.13 | *** join/#debian LinuxMediaCodecs (~CodeJock@50-39-178-114.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net) |
| 04:05.34 | *** join/#debian booboy_laptop (~booboy@c-50-129-174-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:05.41 | *** join/#debian booboy (~booboy@c-50-129-174-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:09.20 | *** join/#debian mastokley (~mastokley@71-35-176-208.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 04:09.21 | *** join/#debian afuentes (~kusanagi@201.165.35.37.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 04:09.51 | *** join/#debian mastokley (~mastokley@71-35-176-208.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 04:10.10 | *** join/#debian booboy_laptop (~booboy@c-50-129-174-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:10.19 | *** join/#debian booboy (~booboy@c-50-129-174-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:13.12 | *** join/#debian l3archos (~Icedove@unaffiliated/l3archos) |
| 04:14.12 | *** join/#debian bpsecret (~bpsecret@unaffiliated/bpsecret) |
| 04:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1606] by debhelper |
| 04:18.35 | *** join/#debian clopez (~tau@neutrino.es) |
| 04:18.59 | *** join/#debian philipballew (~philip@ubuntu/member/philipballew) |
| 04:24.29 | *** join/#debian Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@p5DD7AF5D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:27.09 | *** join/#debian mi11k1 (~mi11k1@198.46.139.35) |
| 04:27.19 | *** join/#debian mi11k1_ (~mi11k1@198.46.139.35) |
| 04:29.07 | mi11k1_ | I followed the instructions from the debootstrap man page, so what does this do exactly? I would like to make a custom iso. Http://paste.debian.net/789549/ |
| 04:29.30 | mi11k1_ | Sorry not instructions but an example |
| 04:30.58 | *** join/#debian erm3nda (~erm3nda@46.222.184.144) |
| 04:31.16 | *** join/#debian bertbob (~bertbob@reriding.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 04:32.03 | *** join/#debian bpsecret (~bpsecret@unaffiliated/bpsecret) |
| 04:33.40 | *** join/#debian evade (~evade@c-24-10-155-54.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 04:34.28 | *** join/#debian han-solo (~han-solo@115.246.84.151) |
| 04:34.48 | *** join/#debian mi11k1 (~mi11k1@198.46.139.35) |
| 04:40.06 | *** join/#debian ec0 (~ec0@2001:44b8:3186:5100:5f5b:d282:72b9:9a42) |
| 04:40.34 | *** join/#debian CrazyTux[m] (~CrazyTuxm@ip72-194-86-35.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 04:41.06 | *** join/#debian jesopo (jess@lolnerd.net) |
| 04:41.32 | *** join/#debian bn` (~Patrice@ip5f59322e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 04:41.40 | *** join/#debian _chaky_ (~chaky@unaffiliated/chaky) |
| 04:47.02 | *** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@197.237.134.10) |
| 04:48.19 | *** join/#debian Drunkwizard (~bakchod@unaffiliated/drunkwizard) |
| 04:49.27 | *** join/#debian towo^work (~towo@unaffiliated/towo/x-4064351) |
| 04:52.13 | *** join/#debian spektrum_ (~spektrum_@unaffiliated/spektrum/x-4869384) |
| 04:52.59 | *** join/#debian cdown_ (~cdown@199.201.67.130) |
| 04:55.21 | *** join/#debian endstille (~endstille@mail01.grolman-group.com) |
| 04:57.24 | *** join/#debian hualet (~hualet@113.57.50.16) |
| 05:04.04 | *** join/#debian aaro (~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147) |
| 05:05.43 | *** join/#debian Gnomethrower (~B@unaffiliated/gnomethrower) |
| 05:05.47 | *** join/#debian winston_obrien (~winston_o@213.152.161.181) |
| 05:09.26 | *** join/#debian skekok (~skekok@72-48-40-150.dyn.grandenetworks.net) |
| 05:09.31 | *** join/#debian sifar (uid179807@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xtukqnlmeolxbdku) |
| 05:09.43 | *** join/#debian lel (~lel@dpc6744103223.direcpc.com) |
| 05:12.10 | *** join/#debian super_gollum (~ich@ip-176-198-221-59.hsi05.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 05:12.58 | *** join/#debian sifar (uid179807@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdufrdltyoywdykd) |
| 05:14.56 | *** join/#debian lel (~lel@dpc6744103223.direcpc.com) |
| 05:19.01 | *** join/#debian eliotime (~Thunderbi@201.230.158.231) |
| 05:24.27 | *** join/#debian orb (~orb@108-227-138-215.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:24.27 | *** join/#debian orb (~orb@unaffiliated/orb) |
| 05:25.37 | *** join/#debian calher (~calher@2602:306:36de:9cc0:ec53:a7a1:2675:3645) |
| 05:26.07 | *** join/#debian cerebro_ (~cerebro@goo.atnf.csiro.au) |
| 05:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1599] by debhelper |
| 05:28.04 | *** join/#debian mpmc (~mpmc@unaffiliated/mpmc) |
| 05:31.34 | *** join/#debian mastokley (~mastokley@71-35-176-208.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 05:32.25 | *** join/#debian obserd (~poop@pool-100-40-58-116.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) |
| 05:32.44 | *** join/#debian fengling (~fengling@58.135.95.136) |
| 05:35.05 | *** join/#debian evanvarvell (~evanvarve@97-88-184-50.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 05:35.42 | *** join/#debian Drzacek (~Drzacek@dslb-092-073-027-158.092.073.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 05:36.18 | *** join/#debian noid- (~zadm1n@unaffiliated/noid-) |
| 05:37.40 | *** join/#debian dka (~dka@1.54.149.248) |
| 05:37.45 | *** join/#debian patterson (~patterson@73.93.141.151) |
| 05:39.19 | *** join/#debian Geom (~Geom@112.201.176.194) |
| 05:41.28 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 05:41.40 | *** join/#debian asterismo (~santiago@179.26.127.185) |
| 05:42.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o eir] by ChanServ |
| 05:42.59 | *** mode/#debian [-bo *!*@185.55.217.13 eir] by eir |
| 05:43.47 | *** join/#debian orb (orb@unaffiliated/orb) |
| 05:44.57 | *** join/#debian Putti (~Putti@unaffiliated/putti) |
| 05:46.28 | *** join/#debian noteness (~noteness@unaffiliated/nessessary129) |
| 05:48.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1605] by debhelper |
| 05:53.29 | *** join/#debian Jack_MoRG (2ed80acb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.216.10.203) |
| 05:53.47 | *** part/#debian Jack_MoRG (2ed80acb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.216.10.203) |
| 05:54.57 | *** join/#debian spektrum_ (~spektrum_@unaffiliated/spektrum/x-4869384) |
| 05:55.24 | *** join/#debian GunshipPenguin (~GunshipPe@d75-155-205-164.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 05:56.20 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 05:57.22 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 05:57.25 | *** join/#debian tkla (~tklassen@p5B3EEF61.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:59.55 | *** join/#debian c4a7b9b2 (~Corsair@46.119.96.196) |
| 06:00.07 | *** join/#debian monpocchi (~monpocchi@unaffiliated/monpocchi) |
| 06:00.17 | *** join/#debian LucaTM (~LucaTM@unaffiliated/lucatm) |
| 06:02.07 | *** join/#debian Guest74558 (~sbine@unaffiliated/sbine) |
| 06:02.30 | *** join/#debian han-solo (~han-solo@115.246.84.151) |
| 06:05.20 | *** join/#debian Tiffon (~name@unaffiliated/tiff0n) |
| 06:07.43 | *** join/#debian wonderworld (~ww@ip-176-198-123-154.hsi05.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 06:08.31 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 06:09.19 | *** join/#debian babak (uid19622@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ytgjxbyyfneukgod) |
| 06:10.44 | *** join/#debian brokencycle (~brokencyc@114.245.96.250) |
| 06:12.37 | *** join/#debian dearfibonacci (~~@91-82-70-134.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 06:12.55 | *** join/#debian drpc (~mehrdad@109-110-173-148-static.shabdiznet.com) |
| 06:16.22 | *** join/#debian han-solo (~han-solo@115.246.88.156) |
| 06:17.19 | *** join/#debian puffyfootpath (~anon@198.8.80.189) |
| 06:17.37 | *** join/#debian rj1 (~rj1@189.140.238.123) |
| 06:17.51 | *** join/#debian rj1 (~rj1@unaffiliated/rj1) |
| 06:19.24 | *** join/#debian Alina-malina (~Alina-mal@37.157.216.184) |
| 06:19.33 | *** join/#debian up2late (~email@unaffiliated/up2late) |
| 06:19.40 | *** join/#debian drpc (~mehrdad@109-110-173-148-static.shabdiznet.com) |
| 06:20.10 | *** join/#debian ogny (~orkun@unaffiliated/ogny) |
| 06:20.35 | *** join/#debian Alina-malina (~Alina-mal@unaffiliated/alina-malina) |
| 06:23.41 | *** join/#debian Rish (~quassel@103.1.102.22) |
| 06:24.58 | *** join/#debian f10_ (~flo@2001:470:52af:1:a981:5f05:5f8e:3ae1) |
| 06:26.54 | *** join/#debian GJ_ (~Thunderbi@88.159.120.241) |
| 06:27.52 | *** join/#debian jim_carry (~jim_carry@unaffiliated/jim-carry/x-1372289) |
| 06:28.19 | *** join/#debian jim_carry (~jim_carry@unaffiliated/jim-carry/x-1372289) |
| 06:28.40 | jim | I'm gonna try building rust, cargo, libs etc... here's where I'm stuck: I'm running jessie but rust is in sid or stretch, and right now apt-get build-dep doesn't see the build deps for rustc |
| 06:29.30 | themill | Do you have a deb-src line for sid? |
| 06:30.09 | *** join/#debian Rust3dCor3 (~Rust3dCor@unaffiliated/rust3dcor3) |
| 06:31.05 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 06:32.23 | *** join/#debian RebelCoder (~Yuriy@cpc74579-lewi13-2-0-cust201.2-4.cable.virginm.net) |
| 06:33.11 | *** join/#debian Humanoid (~anonymous@unaffiliated/humanoid) |
| 06:34.01 | *** join/#debian rommel092079 (~nightride@203.215.117.191) |
| 06:35.07 | *** join/#debian xaa (~xaa@81.243.22.49) |
| 06:35.43 | rommel092079 | good day I have been following and testing instructions from google setting up mail server with postfix,dovecot and roundcube on debian 8.5 but there are broken files. Anybody knows a site link for step by step setup of mail server ? |
| 06:36.32 | Humanoid | Package X has a dependency for Y (>= 6:11~beta1), but I'm trying to install Y version 6:11.6-1~deb8u1, but apt-get says that X has to be removed. Shouldn't 6:11.6-1~deb8u1 >= 6:11~beta1 be satisfied? |
| 06:38.07 | *** join/#debian Fr_Dae (~Dae@did75-h11-89-86-12-33.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) |
| 06:39.51 | themill | Humanoid: do you have packages installed from deb-multimedia.org? |
| 06:39.51 | *** join/#debian EnergyCoffee (~irc@216.105.40.254) |
| 06:39.57 | Humanoid | I decided to do "apt-get download Y" followed by "dpkg -i Y...deb" and it worked fine. |
| 06:39.59 | *** join/#debian B[]rG (~Borg@46-150-40-173.cable.teleing.net) |
| 06:40.06 | Humanoid | themill: Yes, I'm trying to get them all removed. |
| 06:40.23 | *** join/#debian B[]rG (~Borg@46-150-40-173.cable.teleing.net) |
| 06:40.45 | themill | !dmm remove |
| 06:40.45 | dpkg | If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ... |
| 06:41.11 | themill | (that would only work if you still have dmm in your sources.list for the first step, it's also rather brutal) |
| 06:41.16 | *** join/#debian EnergyCoffee (~irc@216.105.40.254) |
| 06:42.21 | *** join/#debian Rish (~quassel@103.1.102.22) |
| 06:42.30 | *** join/#debian rj1 (~rj1@unaffiliated/rj1) |
| 06:42.33 | Humanoid | Yeah, that's a scary command. I rather do it manually, step by step. dpkg -l | grep dmo, shows that I only have 29 packages left, and they're all libxxx packages. |
| 06:42.40 | *** join/#debian EnergyCoffee (~irc@216.105.40.254) |
| 06:43.16 | *** join/#debian overlord_tm (~andraz@213.172.234.141) |
| 06:44.04 | *** join/#debian BlueByte (~walther@dslb-094-218-027-124.094.218.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 06:44.06 | *** join/#debian EnergyCoffee (~irc@216.105.40.254) |
| 06:45.31 | *** join/#debian EnergyCoffee (~irc@216.105.40.254) |
| 06:46.04 | *** join/#debian han-solo (~han-solo@101.58.28.232) |
| 06:46.56 | *** join/#debian EnergyCoffee (~irc@216.105.40.254) |
| 06:47.09 | *** join/#debian OERIAS (~OERIAS@71.109.68.165) |
| 06:48.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1613] by debhelper |
| 06:48.20 | *** join/#debian EnergyCoffee (~irc@216.105.40.254) |
| 06:48.41 | *** join/#debian synnes (~synnes@9.06.01a8.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com) |
| 06:50.25 | *** join/#debian CutMeOwnThroat (~k@2a02:8070:d1b1:5f00:a288:b4ff:fe9a:1270) |
| 06:50.25 | *** join/#debian CutMeOwnThroat (~k@unaffiliated/iridos) |
| 06:51.46 | *** join/#debian b6s3d (~b00s3d@unaffiliated/b00s3d) |
| 06:51.54 | *** join/#debian OERIAS (~OERIAS@71.109.68.165) |
| 06:52.55 | *** join/#debian willemb (~willemb@vpn-router1.dur1.host-h.net) |
| 06:53.38 | *** join/#debian ArchNoob (~ArchNoob@unaffiliated/archnoob) |
| 06:54.02 | *** join/#debian OERIAS (~OERIAS@71.109.68.165) |
| 06:56.38 | rommel092079 | anybody ? |
| 06:57.26 | *** join/#debian selu (~textual@84.123.71.141.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 06:57.36 | *** join/#debian fossrox (~fossrox@unaffiliated/fossrox) |
| 06:58.52 | *** join/#debian namix (~namix@unaffiliated/namix) |
| 06:59.08 | *** join/#debian hualet (~hualet@113.57.50.16) |
| 06:59.54 | *** join/#debian mi11k1 (~mi11k1@198.46.139.35) |
| 07:00.47 | *** join/#debian booboy (~booboy@c-50-129-174-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 07:01.22 | *** join/#debian sphenxes01 (~sphenxes@178-191-174-176.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 07:01.33 | *** join/#debian LotharKAtt (~lelouch@194.61.48.251) |
| 07:03.25 | *** join/#debian blueness (~blueness@gentoo/developer/blueness) |
| 07:04.11 | *** join/#debian sphenxes02 (~sphenxes@178-191-174-176.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 07:04.21 | *** join/#debian Bish (~arne@b2b-78-94-21-226.unitymedia.biz) |
| 07:04.52 | *** join/#debian GeorgeJipa (~admin@86.121.211.135) |
| 07:04.52 | *** join/#debian GeorgeJipa (~admin@unaffiliated/georgejipa) |
| 07:05.29 | *** join/#debian saunamees (~user@tartu.cyber.ee) |
| 07:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1619] by debhelper |
| 07:08.24 | *** join/#debian f10 (~flo@2001:470:52af:1:5cf0:98ff:3c86:4660) |
| 07:10.12 | *** join/#debian armin (~armin@base.m2m.pm) |
| 07:15.20 | *** join/#debian gebjgd (~stmsgebjg@unaffiliated/gebjgd) |
| 07:16.04 | *** join/#debian Gnomethrower (~B@unaffiliated/gnomethrower) |
| 07:17.51 | *** join/#debian ArchNoob (~ArchNoob@unaffiliated/archnoob) |
| 07:17.52 | *** join/#debian blueness (~blueness@gentoo/developer/blueness) |
| 07:23.12 | *** join/#debian afx_ (~afx_@ppp-94-66-173-153.home.otenet.gr) |
| 07:23.24 | *** join/#debian paulgrmn (~paulgorma@c-68-49-69-170.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 07:23.25 | *** join/#debian NinjaPanda (~OS-21795@64-94-61-53.ip.weststar.net.ky) |
| 07:23.39 | *** part/#debian rommel092079 (~nightride@203.215.117.191) |
| 07:23.55 | Strykar | I'm trying to install a single package from unstable, I added "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list and created /etc/apt/preferences. it appears to download the unstable package, but I still end up with the older one available in jessie - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23057589/ |
| 07:24.13 | NinjaPanda | d |
| 07:24.21 | *** join/#debian dearfibonacci (~~@91.83.137.197.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 07:24.40 | *** join/#debian l3archos (~Icedove@unaffiliated/l3archos) |
| 07:25.00 | babilen | Strykar: Don't do that please |
| 07:25.02 | babilen | dpkg: ssb |
| 07:25.02 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 07:25.19 | babilen | judd: checkbackport strongswan |
| 07:25.20 | judd | Backporting package strongswan in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 07:25.31 | babilen | judd: v strongswan |
| 07:25.33 | judd | Package: strongswan on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.4.1-5.6; squeeze-security: 4.4.1-5.6; squeeze-security-lts: 4.4.1-5.8; squeeze-backports: 4.5.2-1.5+deb7u3~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 4.5.2-1.5+deb7u8; wheezy: 4.5.2-1.5+deb7u8; wheezy-backports: 5.2.1-6+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 5.2.1-6+deb8u2; jessie: 5.2.1-6+deb8u2; sid: 5.4.0-3; sid: 5.5.0-1; stretch: 5.5.0-1 |
| 07:25.47 | Strykar | sid: 5.5.0-1 would do nicely |
| 07:26.08 | Strykar | babilen, I look at https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences#Installing_from_unstable |
| 07:26.20 | Strykar | and backports doesnt have the version I need |
| 07:26.38 | Strykar | judd, deb-src sid |
| 07:26.46 | babilen | Whoever wrote that provided a horrible disservice to the society as mixing stable with testing or unstable will break Debian |
| 07:27.09 | babilen | Strykar: Yes, you would create your own backport because an official one isn't available |
| 07:27.22 | babilen | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 07:27.28 | *** join/#debian boris_t (~boris_t@363103629.convex.ru) |
| 07:27.44 | *** join/#debian subzero79 (~subzero79@101.162.153.201) |
| 07:27.46 | Strykar | judd doesnt wanna tell me the deb-src line for sid |
| 07:28.06 | judd | that's because I'm not an infobot |
| 07:29.26 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 07:29.30 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@37.228.242.70) |
| 07:29.30 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 07:29.54 | Strykar | "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" look good? |
| 07:30.15 | *** join/#debian kishpa (~Kishpa@62.red-88-2-234.staticip.rima-tde.net) |
| 07:30.37 | *** join/#debian stenrose (~stenrose@martin.ilait.se) |
| 07:31.15 | babilen | Strykar: fwiw, that articule discusses how to install packages from unstable when you are running testing |
| 07:31.22 | babilen | Yeah, that looks good |
| 07:31.55 | babilen | (assuming you use ftp.us.debian.org for the others in your sources.list) |
| 07:32.00 | *** join/#debian Spider0 (~Spider0@175.167.251.212.customer.cdi.no) |
| 07:32.44 | *** join/#debian antgel (~topdog@82.166.98.41) |
| 07:34.17 | Strykar | babilen, 1. shouldnt the sources be the same irrespective of mirror? 2. will this build the related packages like strongswan-starter etc? |
| 07:34.55 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 07:36.58 | Strykar | or do I have to apt-get build-dep strongswan strongswan-starter and so on? |
| 07:37.38 | jim | running jessie, want to build rustc. how to get build depends? |
| 07:38.20 | jim | , source rustc |
| 07:38.21 | judd | Sorry, there is no record of a source package for the binary package 'rustc' in jessie/amd64. |
| 07:38.32 | jim | , source rustc sid |
| 07:38.33 | judd | Package rustc in sid -- source: rustc |
| 07:39.21 | babilen | Strykar: Mirrors might sync at slightly different times .. I'd stick to a single one |
| 07:39.44 | babilen | jim: themill asked you a question earlier that you didn't answer .. you might want to do that |
| 07:40.02 | *** join/#debian kernel-panic (~kp@unaffiliated/kernel-panic) |
| 07:40.30 | jim | oh sorry themill, I went afk |
| 07:43.19 | Strykar | babilen, that failed to build from source, trying with the same mirrors I used instead of the us ftp now - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23057619/ |
| 07:43.29 | *** join/#debian evade (~evade@c-24-10-155-54.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 07:43.46 | jim | babilen, you mean "do I have a source line for sid"? checking, did I turn it on in sources.list.m4... |
| 07:43.57 | Strykar | and do I need to name all the related packages like strongswan-starter or will it build it those by just specifying strongswan alone? |
| 07:44.47 | Strykar | or is that what build dep does? |
| 07:45.52 | jim | yes, it is and was turned on |
| 07:48.21 | *** join/#debian psycho (~psycho@93.48.246.149) |
| 07:49.24 | jim | babilen, I did lastlog themill, I found a question there that could have been for me (do I have sid deb-src line), but didn't find anything addressed to me |
| 07:49.30 | *** join/#debian thomas1 (~thomas@freenode/staff/thomas) |
| 07:50.07 | *** join/#debian HansE (~HansE@178-164-122.134.3p.ntebredband.no) |
| 07:50.50 | *** join/#debian siggex (~siggex@109-124-147-131.customer.t3.se) |
| 07:52.16 | jim | yeah, he asked the question right after I asked mine |
| 07:53.08 | jim | so, yes, I did then and do now have actually 3 separate source lines (each for main, contrib, non-free) |
| 07:53.41 | *** join/#debian pisekot (~user@pisekot.ru) |
| 07:54.21 | jim | I grabbed the sources for rustc and cargo |
| 07:54.26 | *** join/#debian swatti (~memory@194.88.49.178) |
| 07:55.38 | *** join/#debian philippi (~user@ritchie.offis.uni-oldenburg.de) |
| 07:55.39 | *** join/#debian Almtesh (~Almtesh@unaffiliated/almtesh) |
| 07:56.11 | *** join/#debian Specialist (~tg@2001:4dd0:fe44:0:fbd9:b1aa:ee05:cf87) |
| 07:58.01 | Strykar | babilen, it appears to almost finish building, passes a bunch of tests and then fails at http://paste.ubuntu.com/23057651/ |
| 07:58.10 | *** join/#debian lss8 (~lss8@unaffiliated/lss8) |
| 08:00.26 | *** join/#debian weyfonk (~weyfonk@82-70-136-246.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 08:02.54 | *** join/#debian sleepster (6cb90c94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.185.12.148) |
| 08:04.15 | hiya | I am back to Debian :D |
| 08:04.27 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-93-128-144.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 08:06.53 | *** join/#debian Levure (~quassel@91.179.229.232) |
| 08:07.23 | *** join/#debian lazouz (~lazouz@isis.rezometz.org) |
| 08:07.53 | *** join/#debian gosling (~gosling@isis.rezometz.org) |
| 08:09.16 | *** join/#debian afx_ (~afx_@ppp-94-66-173-153.home.otenet.gr) |
| 08:13.40 | *** join/#debian spronk (~spronkey@160.160.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) |
| 08:13.58 | *** join/#debian chele (~chele@ip5b40da1c.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 08:15.59 | *** join/#debian kernel-panic (~kp@5.29.72.204) |
| 08:15.59 | *** join/#debian kernel-panic (~kp@unaffiliated/kernel-panic) |
| 08:17.27 | jim | ok, I'm stuck again: rustc's build depends includes rustc |
| 08:19.21 | Strykar | ok, commenting out "override_dh_strip:" and "dh_strip --ddeb-migration='strongswan-dbg (<< 5.3.5-2~)'" in strongswan-5.5.0/debian/rules fixes it and it creates all the debs required. any idea what dh_strip --ddeb-migration= does? |
| 08:19.54 | *** join/#debian nek-knop (~knop@27-32-78-235.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 08:20.57 | *** join/#debian root__ (~OS-21795@64-94-61-53.ip.weststar.net.ky) |
| 08:21.05 | Strykar | in the dir the .deb are created can I now simply do "apt-get install *.deb" ? |
| 08:21.40 | jim | do you want to install all the .debs there? |
| 08:21.48 | *** join/#debian B[]rG (~Borg@46-150-40-173.cable.teleing.net) |
| 08:22.35 | Strykar | was just going thru them, all except strongswan-ikev1_5.5.0-1_all.deb. I'm not sure if the order of installing them matters |
| 08:22.36 | jim | or are there 1 or 2 you don't want to install among them? |
| 08:23.12 | jim | you could unpack them all then dpkg --configure --pending |
| 08:23.59 | jim | why don't you see if (before doing that) dpkg --configure --pending wants to do anything |
| 08:24.54 | Strykar | so just run dpkg --configure --pending in the dir the debs are first? |
| 08:25.18 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@host217-36-214-162.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 08:25.18 | jim | in any dir (so that one's fine) |
| 08:25.42 | Strykar | it runs and exits without printing anything |
| 08:26.02 | jim | that way you make sure any straggler from say "last week" is taken care of |
| 08:26.08 | jim | ok, good,,, |
| 08:26.16 | *** join/#debian Ad1_RN (~Ad1_RnR@88-199-45-84.matcom.com.pl) |
| 08:26.19 | Strykar | ah ok, this box isn't a week old yet :) |
| 08:27.16 | jim | -probably- it will work to just dpkg -i them (you know about the unpack phase and the configure phase of a package install?) |
| 08:27.45 | Strykar | I don't. I thought a deb is a ready to install binary package? |
| 08:27.58 | jim | it is |
| 08:28.19 | jim | when you do dpkg -i, it does both phases |
| 08:28.31 | jim | first it unpacks then it configures |
| 08:29.24 | jim | you can probably dpkg -i them |
| 08:29.34 | Strykar | I see, ok. wouldnt it be better if I go 1 dir up and do "dpkg -R -i /strongswan/*.deb" assuming only the debs I want are in there |
| 08:30.10 | jim | what's -R on dpkg? |
| 08:30.32 | Strykar | recursive, needs to point to a dir. I'll just do as you said in the dir the debs are |
| 08:31.08 | jim | I didn't know dpkg had that |
| 08:31.32 | jim | but anyway, you built packages, right? |
| 08:31.41 | Strykar | I was looking the man page to see what -i does |
| 08:31.43 | Strykar | yep |
| 08:32.07 | jim | cd to the dir where the packages are |
| 08:32.46 | jim | and then dpkg -i (all of them) (*.deb) |
| 08:33.11 | jim | quite probably, you'll have no trouble |
| 08:34.03 | jim | I think I had to unpack all of them first like once |
| 08:34.16 | *** join/#debian electro33 (uid613@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yhnrwrxjtjaazecq) |
| 08:34.20 | jim | (in a -long- time)_ |
| 08:34.30 | *** join/#debian Shentino (~Shentino@gentoo/contributor/shentino) |
| 08:34.42 | Strykar | sweet! Starting strongSwan 5.5.0 IPsec [starter] |
| 08:34.43 | *** join/#debian rj1 (~rj1@unaffiliated/rj1) |
| 08:34.50 | Strykar | tyvm babilen and jim |
| 08:35.15 | Strykar | it even asked me if I wanted to keep the my old configs and presented diffs. perfect |
| 08:35.44 | *** join/#debian fiddlerwoaroof (~fiddlerwo@unaffiliated/fiddlerwoaroof) |
| 08:35.54 | *** join/#debian _tremo (~tremo@wurzeldiener.jfreitag.de) |
| 08:36.14 | *** join/#debian frostschutz (~frostschu@x2f6b2f9.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 08:38.10 | *** join/#debian hepukt4e (~hep@91.198.140.16) |
| 08:38.31 | *** join/#debian Drunkwizard (~bakchod@unaffiliated/drunkwizard) |
| 08:38.49 | *** join/#debian benjr (~benjr@122-57-90-42.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 08:39.10 | *** join/#debian masber (~masber@129.94.15.152) |
| 08:40.03 | benjr | ive found a package i want by browsing packages.debian.org/ but when i try to apt-get install it by the name given on that website it doesnt work, what am i missing? |
| 08:40.38 | *** join/#debian yaume (~gchenuet@167.red-79-152-82.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 08:40.39 | *** join/#debian jkvnse (~jkvnse@dynamic-adsl-84-221-229-45.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 08:40.43 | *** join/#debian amsharma (~amsharma@unaffiliated/amsharma) |
| 08:41.00 | amsharma | is there a specific channel related to apt get queries? |
| 08:41.28 | babilen | Strykar: You want to run dh_strip, but it appears as if the version you are using doesn't support ddeb-migration migration yet (it strips debug symbols). I'd remove that option and try again. |
| 08:43.01 | themill | amsharma: apt-get queries are really queries about your distro's packages (so asking your distro's help channel is appropriate) |
| 08:43.05 | babilen | benjr: Which package do you want to install? Which release of Debian are you using? |
| 08:43.59 | benjr | babilen: debian 7, https://packages.debian.org/sid/python/python-ipaddress |
| 08:44.03 | amsharma | themill: i want to know if there's a way using apt get to upgrade packages less than some size |
| 08:44.12 | babilen | judd: v python-ipaddress |
| 08:44.13 | judd | Package: python-ipaddress on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.0.16-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.0.16-1; stretch: 1.0.16-1 |
| 08:44.14 | *** join/#debian GJ_ (~Thunderbi@88.159.120.241) |
| 08:44.25 | *** join/#debian lucad111 (~lucad111@51-148-40-1.dsl.zen.co.uk) |
| 08:44.26 | amsharma | themill: something like: "apt get upgrade --size-le 5 MB" |
| 08:44.30 | themill | no |
| 08:44.31 | babilen | benjr: That package is from sid and, as you are using wheezy, not available |
| 08:45.01 | amsharma | are you aware of any other tools that can do that or is it technically not possible? |
| 08:45.09 | babilen | benjr: You could upgrade your wheezy installation to jessie and install it from jessie-backports. Or you install it in a virtualenv with pip. |
| 08:45.40 | Strykar | babilen, so it's built the package with debugging enabled? |
| 08:45.46 | themill | amsharma: you could get a list of upgradable packages and then filter it based on size using grep-dctrl or python-apt. Nothing that a few hours of hacking can't create... |
| 08:46.27 | babilen | Strykar: What it actually does really depends on the package, I'd still run it |
| 08:46.36 | Strykar | uname -a: Linux dbn21 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:46.39 | benjr | babilen: i think ill go down that pip route, thanks for the direction ill try googling it from here |
| 08:46.47 | *** join/#debian noodle (~noodle@c-73-225-53-64.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 08:47.13 | babilen | benjr: When you are search for packages on http://packages.debian.org you might want to select the release you are using |
| 08:47.17 | *** join/#debian MrNeon (~MrNeon@a79-168-220-226.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 08:47.28 | themill | benjr: btw if you're looking for newer packages, updating the release you're running would be a plan. (Possibly also updating the python you are targeting...) |
| 08:47.50 | benjr | themill: apt-get says i have the latest python |
| 08:48.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1626] by debhelper |
| 08:48.11 | themill | benjr: no, it tells you that you have the latest in the wheezy release. |
| 08:48.27 | *** join/#debian carleos (~yaaic@cm-83-97-243-236.telecable.es) |
| 08:48.37 | *** join/#debian Boltermor (~Boltermor@subscr-46-148-174-140.dhcp-docsis.net.tomkow.pl) |
| 08:48.46 | babilen | judd: v python |
| 08:48.47 | judd | Package: python on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.11-2; sid: 2.7.11-2 |
| 08:48.50 | babilen | benjr: ^ |
| 08:48.59 | *** join/#debian KlausedSource (~KlausedSo@mwnb.rz.fh-trier.de) |
| 08:49.05 | themill | well and python-ipaddress is just part of python3 later on |
| 08:49.15 | benjr | im a bit of linux noob and worried that just updating to jessie might break something i wouldnt know how to fix |
| 08:49.16 | *** join/#debian LNJ2GO (~lnj@x55b2c3c7.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 08:49.28 | *** join/#debian feal (~fiel@dslb-088-068-062-016.088.068.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 08:49.30 | *** join/#debian penguinguru (~penguingu@120.146.12.20) |
| 08:49.45 | babilen | benjr: Jessie is the current stable release and the version we would recommend |
| 08:50.40 | babilen | The upgrade process is typically rather smooth (if you follow http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html), but we obviously cannot ensure that there won't be any problems |
| 08:50.43 | benjr | excuse my ignorance but why cant i do that backport to wheezy for the package? |
| 08:52.43 | babilen | benjr: Not all build dependencies are satisfied in wheezy (pypy, might be able to get rid of it though) and an official backport simply doesn't exist. You could, naturally, work on creating one yourself, but using pip in a venv or upgrading to jessie is likely to be easier. |
| 08:52.57 | babilen | Could be trivial |
| 08:53.07 | babilen | Any particular reason why you are using wheezy? |
| 08:53.31 | benjr | it was the latest when i installed it |
| 08:53.38 | benjr | no other reason |
| 08:53.39 | *** join/#debian robotroll (~robotroll@unaffiliated/robotroll) |
| 08:53.44 | themill | life moves on :) |
| 08:55.42 | benjr | im using zfs which i have no idea how i managed to get that going, but too scared to tamper with it now, thats my biggest concern with upgrading |
| 08:56.20 | *** join/#debian cyan__ (~cyan@217.170.162.68) |
| 08:56.37 | *** join/#debian p3rs3us (~jduro@143.167.53.61) |
| 08:56.58 | *** join/#debian TomyWork (~tomy@85.199.84.100) |
| 08:57.18 | benjr | any chance of that getting messed up? |
| 08:58.05 | *** join/#debian plasmoduck (~cjg@181.88.150.122.sta.dodo.net.au) |
| 08:59.05 | babilen | There's always a chance, regardless of what you do |
| 09:00.02 | *** join/#debian Lowl3v3l (~Lowl3v3l@dslb-088-075-097-138.088.075.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 09:00.08 | *** join/#debian jim_carry (~jim_carry@unaffiliated/jim-carry/x-1372289) |
| 09:00.14 | *** join/#debian hualet (~hualet@113.57.50.16) |
| 09:02.33 | *** join/#debian Spider0 (~Spider0@175.167.251.212.customer.cdi.no) |
| 09:03.49 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 09:04.42 | *** join/#debian sayur (~quassel@36.66.226.106) |
| 09:05.54 | *** join/#debian soee (~soee@user-164-127-245-202.play-internet.pl) |
| 09:06.08 | *** join/#debian dearfibonacci (~~@91.83.137.197.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 09:06.36 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@host217-36-214-162.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 09:06.37 | *** join/#debian thethorongil (~ankit@103.57.86.112) |
| 09:06.45 | *** join/#debian TyrfingMjolnir (~Tyrfing@62.92.82.250) |
| 09:07.40 | *** join/#debian srtu (~hypnotoad@mue-88-130-60-071.dsl.tropolys.de) |
| 09:07.47 | *** join/#debian psycho (~psycho@93.48.246.149) |
| 09:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1637] by debhelper |
| 09:09.17 | *** join/#debian alioui_ (~alioui_al@197.0.16.175) |
| 09:12.10 | *** join/#debian cerebro_ (~cerebro@123-243-231-21.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 09:12.24 | *** join/#debian pavlushka_ (~Pavel@unaffiliated/pavlushka) |
| 09:12.40 | *** join/#debian s4ndm4n (~sandman@unaffiliated/sandman13) |
| 09:12.45 | *** join/#debian sayur (~quassel@36.66.226.106) |
| 09:12.49 | alioui_ | hi all, ihave problem installing debian 8.5 with kde desktop. i am getting a message saying that an installation step failed (select and install software) i redo the step and i get the same things |
| 09:12.49 | alioui_ | any idea how to solve this ??? |
| 09:13.39 | doebi | alioui_: are you using netinstall and do you have internet? |
| 09:14.00 | *** join/#debian SlaGTaTs (~bilbo@cpc68385-donc11-2-0-cust226.17-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 09:14.27 | alioui_ | i tryed both netinstall and the dvd i get the same things |
| 09:15.09 | *** join/#debian GJ_ (~Thunderbi@88.159.120.241) |
| 09:16.10 | *** join/#debian Megaf (~quassel@unaffiliated/megaf) |
| 09:16.21 | jim | what is the exact message? |
| 09:16.41 | *** join/#debian penguinguru (~penguingu@120.146.12.20) |
| 09:16.50 | *** join/#debian Velveeta_Chef (~Nope@24-151-37-213.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 09:16.51 | *** join/#debian Velveeta_Chef (~Nope@fsf/member/Velveeta-Chef) |
| 09:17.29 | *** join/#debian stoffepojken (~stoffepoj@h-148-185.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 09:17.30 | *** join/#debian anton02 (~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net) |
| 09:17.33 | *** join/#debian antgel (~topdog@66.9.11.210) |
| 09:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1645] by debhelper |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#debian notebox (~textual@217.138.7.242) |
| 09:19.36 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@113.3.180.98) |
| 09:20.02 | alioui_ | installation step failed. you can try to run failing item again from the menu or skip it and choose something else. the failing step is : select and install software |
| 09:20.26 | jim | what was the failing item? |
| 09:20.27 | *** join/#debian czesmir (~stefan@dbk44.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 09:20.45 | jim | oh ok |
| 09:22.20 | jim | what did you try last? netinstall or dvd? |
| 09:22.47 | *** join/#debian yaume (~gchenuet@167.red-79-152-82.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 09:23.39 | *** part/#debian balex (~quassel@srv4.onfire.org) |
| 09:23.42 | hiya | Creating a separate /home really improves a lot of things, full disk encryption |
| 09:23.47 | hiya | who was the guy who suggest me this? |
| 09:24.02 | *** join/#debian GJ_ (~Thunderbi@88.159.120.241) |
| 09:24.07 | *** join/#debian js9600 (~js9600@87-57-20-106-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net) |
| 09:24.07 | Xin | lol why is full disk encryption vs whole partition encryption matter |
| 09:25.10 | Lowl3v3l | Xin, because just encrypt some partitions is likely to open attack vectors^^ |
| 09:25.28 | Xin | how |
| 09:26.29 | *** part/#debian jkvnse (~jkvnse@dynamic-adsl-84-221-229-45.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 09:26.58 | *** join/#debian ungars (~ungars@vil30-2-88-179-56-212.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 09:27.52 | *** join/#debian pyface (~pyface@about/security/contributor/pyface) |
| 09:28.26 | Lowl3v3l | Xin, unencrypted swap, root ... are attack vectors because you could smuttle in keyloggers or so to them easier. And they got lots of data already. The general rule of thumb is: a cryptographic system is as strong as its strongest component. |
| 09:28.48 | Xin | swap shouldnt ever contain decrypted stuff... :| |
| 09:29.01 | Xin | keyloggers are *Smuggled* just as easily |
| 09:29.11 | Xin | thats your mistake, no encryption will help |
| 09:29.26 | Xin | there's really no difference |
| 09:29.30 | Xin | but *Shrug* |
| 09:29.57 | jim | you sound like you have first hand experience |
| 09:30.22 | Xin | meh im just working on a small security idea/product lately |
| 09:30.27 | Xin | so its fresh in my mind |
| 09:30.41 | Xin | especially long conversations with our security consultant |
| 09:31.24 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 09:31.33 | Lowl3v3l | Xin, general rule of thumb : dont write your own crypto stuff, its a bad idea |
| 09:31.58 | Xin | we arent writing crypto stuff ;) |
| 09:32.43 | *** join/#debian Xizor (~Xizor@ivr94-11-88-187-38-1.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 09:34.38 | *** join/#debian LucaTM (~LucaTM@unaffiliated/lucatm) |
| 09:35.01 | *** join/#debian xet7 (~xet7@84-231-19-211.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 09:35.46 | *** join/#debian maotm (~mao@81.24.87.135) |
| 09:36.34 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 09:37.06 | *** join/#debian vicarion (~net@dyn-118-138-198-12.its.monash.edu.au) |
| 09:37.19 | Iridos | Lowl3v3l, tell that to the openssl guys? |
| 09:39.27 | Mava | ermm, interesting, speaking about encryption ^^ |
| 09:39.54 | Lowl3v3l | Iridos, oh if you are brilliant enough its still a bad idea. but slightly less so than without a phd in maths or cs :D |
| 09:40.02 | Strykar | I wanted 2 instances of a service running and I made a copy of its config, but the 2nd service won't autostart, it says "Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/privoxy2.service; disabled)" How do I enable it |
| 09:40.23 | jelly | alioui_, are you booting from cd/dvd or usb; if usb, how did you create the image? |
| 09:40.41 | *** join/#debian SynrG (~synrg@debian/developer/synrg) |
| 09:40.45 | jelly | s/create/write/ |
| 09:42.08 | Iridos | Lowl3v3l, I don't think either qualifies you as such... and someone has *got* to write the stuff... (and if you don't know all the people writing openssl or ssh how can you know they're better suited than e.g. xin) |
| 09:42.36 | *** join/#debian QwertyDragon (~QwertyDra@pool-96-230-134-195.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 09:43.42 | Lowl3v3l | Iridos, true, somebody has to do it. Which still means it is risky and error prone. THere is a reason for good crypto software costing 80 or 100 times more than other stuff^^ |
| 09:44.22 | Iridos | â¦which is then closed source, so you'd have to 100% trust the buggers who write it because nobody can check on them anyway |
| 09:44.48 | Xin | lol |
| 09:44.50 | Lowl3v3l | Iridos, uhm nope, not only closed source stuff can be fully audited^^ |
| 09:45.03 | Iridos | what? |
| 09:45.06 | Xin | we're working in anominity products anyway |
| 09:45.57 | alioui_ | jim jelly. last time itryed dvd version with virtualbox machine. so just give it the iso file. |
| 09:46.48 | *** join/#debian cat3 (~Cat3@188.130.155.154) |
| 09:47.18 | *** join/#debian Brigo (~Brigo@164.11.60.178.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com) |
| 09:47.22 | *** join/#debian zero_to_rocket (~chatzilla@77.237.104.178) |
| 09:47.24 | Iridos | Lowl3v3l, are you running jessie? |
| 09:47.25 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 09:48.14 | Lowl3v3l | Iridos, nope. Why is this relevant? |
| 09:48.36 | *** join/#debian KyokoDebian (4d4da301@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.77.163.1) |
| 09:49.34 | *** join/#debian thethorongil (~ankit@103.57.86.112) |
| 09:49.57 | *** join/#debian baraba (~baraba@unaffiliated/baraba) |
| 09:50.00 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:19b6:2cc1:d5bc:4328) |
| 09:50.00 | *** part/#debian KyokoDebian (4d4da301@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.77.163.1) |
| 09:50.08 | Iridos | nvm then |
| 09:50.53 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 09:52.26 | *** join/#debian feal (~fiel@dslb-088-068-062-016.088.068.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 09:52.47 | *** join/#debian johnny (~johnny@2601:243:c201:55a7:3059:bbcf:5924:b438) |
| 09:53.13 | *** join/#debian Velveeta_Chef (~Nope@24-151-37-213.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 09:53.13 | *** join/#debian Velveeta_Chef (~Nope@fsf/member/Velveeta-Chef) |
| 09:54.12 | Iridos | oh, openssl doesn't have that at all anyway |
| 09:54.36 | babilen | Have what? |
| 09:55.37 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@host217-36-214-162.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 09:55.39 | alioui_ | "that" |
| 09:56.05 | Iridos | it's actually a suse 13.1 where I saw that on... there you can run this: echo blubb | openssl enc -aes-128-cbc -z -pass pass:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -base64 -A |
| 09:57.09 | *** join/#debian iWaldo (iWaldo___@unaffiliated/iwaldo) |
| 09:57.16 | Iridos | and openssl first ascii-armors the encrypted bit, then compresses the ascii armor⦠which made me doubt the competence/sanity of openssl developers/developing process |
| 09:57.26 | *** join/#debian SirNeo_ (Elite17362@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-criyozamvoqcvxjz) |
| 09:57.40 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 09:57.41 | Xin | ascii-armor sounds like a totally legit thing |
| 09:58.36 | Iridos | it's just a base64 encoding so you can send encrypted stuff over ascii-only channels like email etc. |
| 09:58.49 | *** join/#debian cuechan (~paul@x55b08c8d.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 09:58.54 | Xin | how exciting |
| 09:58.56 | Iridos | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ascii+armor |
| 09:58.56 | babilen | Maybe continue this in #debian-offtopic? I mean it isn't really a support question or is somebody trying to make a decision? |
| 09:59.09 | Iridos | yeah, can do that |
| 09:59.14 | *** join/#debian hiya (test@gateway/shell/hiyabnc/x-zppivwmztkvmcrzq) |
| 10:00.25 | *** join/#debian Nnnavd (~Nnavd@d50-92-9-182.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 10:01.05 | Iridos | but don't forget that this is a discussion channel :) |
| 10:01.47 | *** part/#debian alioui_ (~alioui_al@197.0.16.175) |
| 10:02.29 | *** join/#debian Tarjaizaid (~Sylvain@unaffiliated/tarjaizaid) |
| 10:03.31 | *** join/#debian Megaf (~quassel@unaffiliated/megaf) |
| 10:05.08 | *** join/#debian vrederv (~vrederv@chello212186163122.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 10:05.25 | *** join/#debian flux242 (~chatzilla@82.113.106.162) |
| 10:08.05 | Iridos | duh, debian removed zlib support for bug #728055 |
| 10:08.08 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/728055 in openssl (closed): «openssl: CVE-2012-4929»; severity: important; opened: 2013-10-27; last modified: 2014-01-21. |
| 10:12.38 | *** join/#debian jan_nabot (~pi@adbf59.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 10:12.41 | *** join/#debian ThisIsZenified (~ImCool@176.123.26.59) |
| 10:13.21 | *** part/#debian jan_nabot (~pi@adbf59.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 10:14.34 | *** join/#debian dselect (~dselect@unaffiliated/themill/bot/dselect) |
| 10:16.03 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 10:17.35 | *** join/#debian _chaky_ (~chaky@unaffiliated/chaky) |
| 10:18.35 | *** join/#debian finnpixel (~kvirc@av-217-129-135-231.netvisao.pt) |
| 10:20.23 | *** join/#debian jan_nabot (~pi@adbf59.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 10:21.41 | *** join/#debian some_vasya (~some_vasy@79.164.170.12) |
| 10:23.22 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@host217-36-214-162.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 10:24.04 | *** join/#debian sidmo_ (~sidmo@p5489D8A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:26.01 | *** join/#debian psycho (~psycho@93.48.246.149) |
| 10:27.30 | *** join/#debian dArK_IcE (~DARKICEPT@a95-92-107-215.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 10:28.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1651] by debhelper |
| 10:29.14 | *** join/#debian erm3nda (~erm3nda@46.222.184.144) |
| 10:30.29 | *** join/#debian Rawng_1 (~Rawng@104-136-237-252.res.bhn.net) |
| 10:31.09 | *** join/#debian psichas (~psichas@unaffiliated/psichas) |
| 10:31.54 | *** join/#debian Spider0 (~Spider0@175.167.251.212.customer.cdi.no) |
| 10:31.55 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 10:33.05 | *** join/#debian vytautas (~vytautas@88-223-37-2.meganet.lt) |
| 10:39.01 | *** join/#debian BWMerlin (~Thunderbi@142.45.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 10:41.21 | *** join/#debian hlam (~hlam@unaffiliated/hugh) |
| 10:42.22 | *** join/#debian thomasfuston (~thomas@p200300874A580A06CDD7C520B5F8ECD0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:43.25 | *** join/#debian jan_nabo1 (~pi@egv213.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 10:43.32 | *** join/#debian CrazyTux[m] (~CrazyTuxm@64.147.7.105) |
| 10:44.09 | *** join/#debian hyfrehyfre (~hyfrehyfr@static-200-105-216-125.acelerate.net) |
| 10:45.31 | *** join/#debian Nnnavd (~Nnavd@d50-92-9-182.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 10:47.25 | *** join/#debian Nach0z (~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z) |
| 10:47.27 | *** join/#debian dearfibonacci (~~@91.83.137.197.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 10:48.05 | *** join/#debian cerebro_ (~cerebro@123-243-231-21.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 10:48.53 | *** join/#debian kzimmermann (~gidbsnskh@179.103.82.66) |
| 10:50.12 | *** join/#debian palus (~palus@198.8.80.35) |
| 10:52.31 | *** join/#debian sayur (~quassel@36.66.226.106) |
| 10:52.49 | *** join/#debian TomTomTosch (~henryk@unaffiliated/tomtomtosch) |
| 10:54.11 | *** join/#debian KyokoDebian (4d4da301@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.77.163.1) |
| 10:54.34 | *** join/#debian KyokoDebian (4d4da301@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.77.163.1) |
| 10:54.48 | *** part/#debian KyokoDebian (4d4da301@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.77.163.1) |
| 10:55.53 | *** join/#debian flux242 (~chatzilla@89.204.154.49) |
| 10:56.54 | *** join/#debian MoonkYan_ (~moonkyang@de.bbido.com.yang.red) |
| 10:57.12 | *** join/#debian rommel092079 (~androirc@203.215.117.191) |
| 10:58.01 | *** join/#debian MoonkYang (~moonkyang@de.bbido.com.yang.red) |
| 10:58.21 | *** join/#debian iflema (~ian@2001:8003:200f:e200:4261:86ff:fe5e:d76f) |
| 10:58.50 | *** join/#debian cat3 (~Cat3@188.130.155.154) |
| 10:59.01 | *** part/#debian rommel092079 (~androirc@203.215.117.191) |
| 11:00.02 | *** join/#debian nighty (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 11:01.41 | *** join/#debian donald1 (~donald@vbo91-6-78-245-241-67.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 11:01.50 | *** join/#debian hualet (~hualet@113.57.50.16) |
| 11:01.55 | *** part/#debian donald1 (~donald@vbo91-6-78-245-241-67.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 11:03.29 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 11:03.59 | *** join/#debian vytautas (~vytautas@88-223-37-2.meganet.lt) |
| 11:04.30 | *** join/#debian meseira (~meseira@AToulouse-655-1-661-223.w92-134.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:05.06 | *** join/#debian llucenic (~Thunderbi@rev-185-22-215-103.radiolan.sk) |
| 11:05.33 | *** join/#debian Gazpaxxo (~bizarro_1@192.red-83-53-25.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:05.39 | *** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 11:08.14 | *** join/#debian amcorreia (~amcorreia@2804:7f5:280:1059::2) |
| 11:08.40 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 11:11.22 | *** join/#debian rommel092079 (~androirc@203.215.117.191) |
| 11:11.35 | rommel092079 | Good pm. May i ask a link for a step by step procedure to install postfix + dovecot + roundcube on debian jessie pls. TIA |
| 11:11.48 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 11:12.15 | rommel092079 | Already googled and followed instruction but nothing seems to work for me. |
| 11:12.43 | *** join/#debian zero_to_rocket (~chatzilla@212.15.166.62) |
| 11:14.14 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 11:14.30 | *** join/#debian nikoma (~nikoma@ip4-95-82-164-56.cust.nbox.cz) |
| 11:15.13 | *** join/#debian shtrb (~shtrb@unaffiliated/shtrb) |
| 11:15.22 | *** join/#debian jubo2 (~juboxi@dgd9hpyjl1l-n6nk0qs9t-3.rev.dnainternet.fi) |
| 11:15.22 | *** join/#debian jubo2 (~juboxi@wikipedia/jukeboksi) |
| 11:15.35 | *** join/#debian Rawng_1 (~Rawng@104-136-237-252.res.bhn.net) |
| 11:16.33 | *** join/#debian donofrio (~donofrio@host-232.subnet-17.med.umich.edu) |
| 11:17.57 | *** join/#debian pavlushka (~Pavel@unaffiliated/pavlushka) |
| 11:17.58 | *** join/#debian dearfibonacci (~~@91.83.137.197.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 11:18.03 | *** join/#debian Not_a_Robot (~soul@210.red-88-12-97.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:18.57 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 11:23.10 | *** join/#debian BWMerlin (~Thunderbi@142.45.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 11:23.59 | *** join/#debian f10_ (~flo@2001:470:52af:1:a981:5f05:5f8e:3ae1) |
| 11:24.01 | *** join/#debian atis (~atis@62.85.92.192) |
| 11:26.19 | *** join/#debian LotharKAtt (~lelouch@194.61.48.251) |
| 11:26.29 | *** join/#debian pavlushka (~Pavel@unaffiliated/pavlushka) |
| 11:26.39 | *** join/#debian holmgren (magnus@h-70-93.a163.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 11:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1659] by debhelper |
| 11:28.13 | *** join/#debian f10 (~flo@2001:470:52af:1:9113:99c8:789c:7b20) |
| 11:28.54 | *** join/#debian afx_ (~afx_@ppp-94-66-173-153.home.otenet.gr) |
| 11:29.04 | *** join/#debian Deepfriedice (~Deepfried@110-174-193-155.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 11:30.35 | *** join/#debian lsv_ (~nn@CPE84948c2eddc1-CM84948c2eddc0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 11:31.41 | *** join/#debian fossrox (~fossrox@unaffiliated/fossrox) |
| 11:31.52 | *** join/#debian Spider0_ (~Spider0@175.167.251.212.customer.cdi.no) |
| 11:32.50 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 11:33.24 | *** join/#debian willemb (~willemb@vpn-router1.dur1.host-h.net) |
| 11:33.32 | *** join/#debian tobiasBora (~tobiasBor@zamok.crans.org) |
| 11:33.36 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 11:33.41 | *** join/#debian stoffepojken (~stoffepoj@h-148-185.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 11:34.03 | *** part/#debian philippi (~user@ritchie.offis.uni-oldenburg.de) |
| 11:34.05 | *** join/#debian stoffepojken (~stoffepoj@h-148-185.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 11:34.15 | tobiasBora | I would like to install digikam (a very good photo manager on kde) but it isn' present anymore in the repo... Do you know why ? |
| 11:34.34 | *** join/#debian stoffepojken (~stoffepoj@h-148-185.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 11:35.04 | babilen | judd: v digikam |
| 11:35.05 | judd | Package: digikam on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:1.2.0-7; wheezy: 4:2.6.0-1+deb7u1; jessie: 4:4.4.0-1.1; jessie-backports: 4:4.14.0-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 4:4.14.0-5+b1; sid: 4:5.1.0-2 |
| 11:35.10 | *** join/#debian rafael (~notyrbusi@unaffiliated/rafael-cunha/x-5167236) |
| 11:35.20 | babilen | dpkg: show sources.list |
| 11:35.20 | dpkg | Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 11:35.32 | *** join/#debian lstieb (~lstieb@chello084113194077.8.14.vie.surfer.at) |
| 11:35.41 | babilen | tobiasBora: Could you paste ^ along with the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy digikam" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 11:36.44 | *** part/#debian shtrb (~shtrb@unaffiliated/shtrb) |
| 11:36.48 | *** join/#debian Starky (~Starky@unaffiliated/starky) |
| 11:36.58 | tobiasBora | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/789634/ |
| 11:37.10 | *** join/#debian cat3 (~Cat3@188.130.155.154) |
| 11:38.20 | babilen | What could possibly go wrong? |
| 11:38.20 | tobiasBora | (the following paste is comming) |
| 11:38.29 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 11:38.55 | babilen | I'd recommend to seek support in #debian-next and would recommend to also add unstable to your sources.list and set testing as default release |
| 11:38.58 | babilen | dpkg: tum |
| 11:38.58 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 11:39.14 | tobiasBora | http://paste.debian.net/789641/ |
| 11:39.15 | babilen | The #debian-next channel is on irc.oftc.net and the place where we support testing and unstable |
| 11:40.12 | *** part/#debian rommel092079 (~androirc@203.215.117.191) |
| 11:40.21 | babilen | tobiasBora: Could you run "apt update" and paste "apt-cache policy digikam" again? |
| 11:41.01 | *** join/#debian pencilandpaper (~penciland@unaffiliated/pencilandpaper) |
| 11:41.13 | tobiasBora | babilen: Hum... |
| 11:41.27 | tobiasBora | I did an update and now it works ! |
| 11:41.32 | tobiasBora | Thank you ^^ |
| 11:44.57 | *** join/#debian sayur (~quassel@36.66.226.106) |
| 11:47.08 | *** join/#debian LotharKAtt (~lelouch@185.22.97.1) |
| 11:50.17 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 11:50.47 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 11:50.58 | *** join/#debian eshat (~eshat@145.228.81.120) |
| 11:52.57 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 11:52.59 | *** join/#debian lstieb (~lstieb@chello084113194077.8.14.vie.surfer.at) |
| 11:54.49 | *** join/#debian pencilandpaper (~penciland@unaffiliated/pencilandpaper) |
| 11:55.33 | *** join/#debian c0mrad3 (uid26809@fedora/dhanvi) |
| 11:55.42 | *** join/#debian lpopov (~lpopov@78.90.6.251) |
| 11:56.40 | *** join/#debian chuck__ (~chuck@host218-119-dynamic.36-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 11:57.49 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 12:01.27 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 12:02.44 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@host217-36-214-162.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 12:02.50 | *** join/#debian psycho (~psycho@93.48.246.149) |
| 12:03.12 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 12:05.42 | *** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@197.237.134.10) |
| 12:06.31 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 12:06.39 | *** join/#debian polivanov (c8727ae2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.114.122.226) |
| 12:06.42 | *** join/#debian ephemer0l (~ephemer0l@unaffiliated/ephemer0l) |
| 12:07.00 | *** join/#debian sndb (~kiri@komori.sandbag.in) |
| 12:07.38 | *** join/#debian shootbird (~quassel@beepbeep.serverpit.com) |
| 12:09.04 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 12:10.13 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~hualet@59.173.241.82) |
| 12:11.01 | *** join/#debian zmic (~zmic@78-22-27-2.access.telenet.be) |
| 12:12.03 | *** join/#debian SynrGy (~synrg@debian/developer/synrg) |
| 12:12.21 | *** join/#debian jpgepetto (~jean-phil@2602:306:c43a:1770:7004:82d2:c55:b1d9) |
| 12:12.30 | *** join/#debian Wyzard (~mike@pool-71-244-251-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 12:13.04 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 12:13.48 | *** join/#debian MoonkYang (~moonkyang@de.bbido.com.yang.red) |
| 12:14.51 | *** join/#debian ER_nesto (~ER_nesto@host86-137-13-142.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) |
| 12:15.36 | *** join/#debian antgel (~topdog@82.166.98.41) |
| 12:16.03 | DoctorD90 | hi! on my laptop, I have the wifi button. If pressed, it disable wifi, and pc goes in fly mode. How may I prevent at boot to wifi goes up, and it stay in fly mode at boot? like if I'd press button at each boot? |
| 12:16.39 | *** join/#debian InfoTest (~Thunderbi@tgn.188.50.245.dts.mg) |
| 12:17.56 | *** join/#debian brokencycle (~brokencyc@222.131.58.235) |
| 12:18.52 | *** join/#debian adrian (~adrian@unaffiliated/adrian) |
| 12:19.29 | *** join/#debian MoonkYang (~moonkyang@de.bbido.com.yang.red) |
| 12:19.59 | *** join/#debian wigust (~quassel@178.71.228.230) |
| 12:21.54 | *** join/#debian rax0 (~nx@b0tnet.me) |
| 12:23.11 | FinalX | DoctorD90: no idea really, on most laptops it's a physical switch that disables all radios |
| 12:23.25 | *** join/#debian ghormoon (~ghormoon@ghorland.net) |
| 12:23.31 | FinalX | (wifi, bluetooth and alike) |
| 12:23.58 | DoctorD90 | yea FinalX , but if I go on gnome applet, and cick on Wifi> Turn off i get the same as press the button |
| 12:24.12 | DoctorD90 | i'd like to start wifi only when I need it |
| 12:25.00 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 12:25.16 | *** join/#debian N1N0774 (~root@AMontpellier-654-1-225-221.w92-145.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 12:26.17 | *** join/#debian Not_a_Robot (~soul@210.red-88-12-97.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 12:28.57 | *** join/#debian jaimungal (~jaimungal@45.55.61.148) |
| 12:29.45 | *** join/#debian psycho_ (~psycho@93.48.246.149) |
| 12:33.21 | *** join/#debian plover (~fern@unaffiliated/plover) |
| 12:37.11 | *** join/#debian saturn_ (~saturn@91.219.239.83) |
| 12:37.25 | *** join/#debian _foldLeft (~foldleft@205.153.36.170) |
| 12:37.49 | *** join/#debian Wyzard (~mike@pool-71-244-251-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 12:38.01 | *** join/#debian ayekat (~ayekat@waltz.ayekat.ch) |
| 12:39.08 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@166.137.98.122) |
| 12:40.18 | ChrisH | DoctorD90: check if rfkill works, and create a systemd service executing an rfkill command during startup. |
| 12:42.27 | ayekat | hey, is there a reason why the `lighttpd` binary is installed into /usr/sbin instead of /usr/bin? |
| 12:42.53 | jelly | ayekat: it's not meant to be run by normal users directly. |
| 12:43.31 | *** join/#debian evade (~evade@c-24-10-155-54.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 12:43.59 | ayekat | jelly: not normal user == root or system user (such as www-data)? |
| 12:44.04 | *** join/#debian ungars (~ungars@vil30-2-88-179-56-212.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 12:44.16 | jelly | right |
| 12:44.45 | *** join/#debian xiaodong (~xiaodong@125.39.16.23) |
| 12:44.47 | *** join/#debian escorpion (~daniel@r179-25-157-13.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 12:44.56 | ayekat | OK - so basically it's to avoid that it occasionally pops up in the autocomplete when typing? |
| 12:45.07 | ayekat | I'm running it as a regular user behind a reverse proxy |
| 12:45.10 | *** join/#debian altin (~altin@flossk/altin) |
| 12:45.37 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 12:46.28 | jelly | that's one of the reasons. Completion typically uses the contents of PATH. |
| 12:47.42 | *** join/#debian wonko (~wonko@wiggum.4amlunch.net) |
| 12:47.43 | ayekat | yes - I just wanted to run a quick `lighttpd -t -f <mylighttpdconf>` and realised I had to type its full path due to it being in /usr/sbin, and I was slightly annoyed |
| 12:48.08 | wonko | is there a secret to getting jessie setup with AD on 2012r2 using winbind? Or is that the wrong way to go about it? |
| 12:48.08 | ayekat | but the argument with "it's not normally meant to be run as a regular user" makes sense, even if being used by processes run as regular users |
| 12:48.43 | petemc | wonko: i use sssd to auth against AD |
| 12:49.50 | wonko | petemc: ok, now that i've sorted uid/gid/etc on the AD server maybe I'll give that a go again |
| 12:49.55 | wonko | 2012r2 is infuriating |
| 12:51.40 | *** join/#debian hspcd (~hspcd@209.194.238.238) |
| 12:53.16 | *** join/#debian dearfibonacci (~~@91.83.137.197.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 12:53.38 | *** join/#debian afx_ (~afx_@ppp-94-66-173-153.home.otenet.gr) |
| 12:55.38 | Epakai | i'm using chromium 52 but i can't get alt+backspace to do anything (should go back a page). i tried incognito and running with --temp-profile. I checked in xev and my Alt buttons seem to be sending the right signal (ALT_L and ALT_R) |
| 12:58.42 | *** join/#debian figlfdev (~user@c-24-62-109-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 12:59.56 | missmbob | Epakai: https://9to5google.com/2016/05/20/chrome-52-backspace-shortcut-gone/ |
| 13:01.20 | DoctorD90 | ChrisH, i'd like to just edit some setting, instead of start wifi, then immediatly shutdown....this, at each boot, belong to me may damage wifi card :) |
| 13:01.49 | *** join/#debian IcyFog (~Guest@59.172.239.217) |
| 13:03.12 | *** join/#debian hualet (~hualet@113.57.50.16) |
| 13:04.08 | *** join/#debian iliv (~iliv@77.123.182.249) |
| 13:04.10 | Epakai | i'm aware the backspace is gone, but alt+backspace replaces it, and this doesn't seem to function, i've tested on two machines now, maybe this is an xfce problem or default shortcut |
| 13:04.21 | iliv | is there a way to disable tcpwrapper on debian 8 system? |
| 13:04.25 | *** part/#debian amsharma (~amsharma@unaffiliated/amsharma) |
| 13:05.10 | themill | iliv: what are you really trying to do? |
| 13:05.12 | missmbob | Epakai: i didn't read anything about alt+backspace. alt+left arrow works |
| 13:05.48 | *** join/#debian rrehbein (~rrehbein@71-13-171-2.static.fdul.wi.charter.com) |
| 13:06.02 | iliv | themill, I don't really need it |
| 13:06.26 | themill | well it does nothing if you don't configure it |
| 13:06.48 | *** join/#debian lewosky (~lewosky@5.79.86.129) |
| 13:06.50 | iliv | and by that you mean if /etc/hosts.allow and hosts.deny remain empty? |
| 13:07.23 | jelly | not sure if hosts.deny even exists by default |
| 13:07.32 | *** join/#debian pseubodot (~p-dot@unaffiliated/pseubodot) |
| 13:07.38 | *** part/#debian IcyFog (~Guest@59.172.239.217) |
| 13:08.28 | *** join/#debian Rust3dCor3 (~Rust3dCor@unaffiliated/rust3dcor3) |
| 13:09.24 | Epakai | no good, alt+left/right/up/down are my tiling shortcuts. i tested in xmonad now as well. guess i'll file a bug |
| 13:11.18 | Epakai | oh i see now, i took that left arrow as being a backspace key the intended shortcut is alt+left arrow |
| 13:11.42 | themill | jelly: libwrap0 postinst creates an empty one |
| 13:11.46 | *** join/#debian jazz (~jazz@2a03:7220:8081:da02:5e51:4fff:fecc:5254) |
| 13:12.07 | *** join/#debian julius_ (~jason4@dslb-178-006-031-229.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 13:12.56 | *** join/#debian biberu (~biberu@c-93d371d5.08-441-7570702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 13:13.28 | iliv | alright, I see.. so, both files are empty all connections are allowed |
| 13:13.36 | iliv | so, if both files * |
| 13:13.41 | *** join/#debian Tinker (~Tinker@103.10.28.9) |
| 13:14.22 | *** join/#debian paianni (~paianni@cpc16-heme9-2-0-cust232.9-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 13:14.30 | julius_ | hi |
| 13:14.52 | *** join/#debian FAMAS (~FAMAS@unaffiliated/famas) |
| 13:15.30 | julius_ | why does this: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=biblatex&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any says that the filenme biblatex is only some sort of vim enhancement....isnt it essential for running the bilbliography in latex? |
| 13:15.41 | *** join/#debian robotroll (~robotroll@unaffiliated/robotroll) |
| 13:15.44 | FAMAS | greetings to all |
| 13:16.14 | julius_ | how do i get the "biblatex" command? |
| 13:16.27 | themill | julius_: there is no such command; are you thinking of bibtex not biblatex? |
| 13:17.02 | julius_ | im not sure themill |
| 13:17.10 | julius_ | i want to use references in a latex document |
| 13:17.24 | *** join/#debian ExoUNX (~textual@unaffiliated/exounx) |
| 13:17.25 | julius_ | but my references are never displayed when i use \printbibliography |
| 13:17.46 | *** join/#debian Tinker_sh (~Tinker_sh@103.10.28.13) |
| 13:17.51 | *** join/#debian b6s3d (~b00s3d@unaffiliated/b00s3d) |
| 13:18.12 | julius_ | themill, https://www.sharelatex.com/project/57a8b82f1d405c203b1c8491 that prints fine online...but not on my pc |
| 13:18.49 | *** join/#debian FAMAS (~FAMAS@unaffiliated/famas) |
| 13:18.58 | themill | julius_: looks a lot like "bibtex" that you want, nothing fancier |
| 13:19.12 | babilen | julius_: You might want to use latexmk which would take care of running the different tools you need |
| 13:19.16 | *** part/#debian Tinker_sh (~Tinker_sh@103.10.28.13) |
| 13:19.54 | julius_ | actually i was hoping to use texstudio....but the default "quick compile command" seems to be ignoring the bibliograpy....so i tried todo it manually first |
| 13:20.28 | julius_ | themill, on the document i shared. what would be a typical command line invocation to get a pdf? |
| 13:20.34 | *** join/#debian vytautas (~vytautas@88-223-37-2.meganet.lt) |
| 13:22.04 | FAMAS | this user finds it surprising to the self that there are thousands of active users in debian irc channel contributing to the operating system |
| 13:24.05 | *** join/#debian flux242 (~chatzilla@89.204.154.49) |
| 13:24.08 | themill | julius_: pdflatex untitled; bibtex untitled; pdflatex untitled; (or just latexmk -pdf -pvc untitled) |
| 13:24.40 | *** join/#debian jaimungal (~jaimungal@45.55.61.148) |
| 13:24.45 | *** join/#debian PseudoNoob (~PseudoNoo@unaffiliated/pseudonoob) |
| 13:25.00 | julius_ | lets try that |
| 13:25.47 | *** part/#debian paianni (~paianni@cpc16-heme9-2-0-cust232.9-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 13:26.52 | *** part/#debian ayekat (~ayekat@waltz.ayekat.ch) |
| 13:26.53 | julius_ | babilen, latexmk does not even check if all the programs it wants to run are installed...it just printed sh: 1 biber not found....thats not a very good tool |
| 13:27.13 | themill | julius_: that's telling you it's not installed. |
| 13:27.26 | *** join/#debian catphish (~catphish@unaffiliated/catphish) |
| 13:27.27 | *** join/#debian ankit (~ankit@45.118.159.227) |
| 13:27.28 | *** part/#debian catphish (~catphish@unaffiliated/catphish) |
| 13:27.50 | julius_ | i know |
| 13:27.51 | biberu | but i'm right here |
| 13:28.00 | *** join/#debian jaimungal (~jaimungal@45.55.61.148) |
| 13:28.04 | julius_ | i was just pointint out that latexmk should check that before running something |
| 13:28.08 | *** join/#debian tdfischer (~tdfischer@kde/tdfischer) |
| 13:28.20 | *** join/#debian ankit (~ankit@45.118.159.227) |
| 13:29.10 | themill | julius_: the way to check if it is there is to try to run it. |
| 13:29.28 | themill | julius_: in any case, you pointed us to a different document to the one you're trying to compile |
| 13:29.31 | julius_ | wasnt installed |
| 13:29.40 | julius_ | oh, my fault |
| 13:29.41 | *** join/#debian MoonkYang (~moonkyang@de.bbido.com.yang.red) |
| 13:29.53 | *** join/#debian jaimungal (~jaimungal@45.55.61.148) |
| 13:30.07 | *** join/#debian cyphase (~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase) |
| 13:30.10 | *** join/#debian WormDude (~wormfood@218.18.205.21) |
| 13:30.12 | *** join/#debian lucaswang (~lucaswang@59.63.170.40) |
| 13:30.58 | julius_ | themill, youre right. there are two documents on sharelatex. untitled.tex is the one im currently working on |
| 13:31.08 | julius_ | im new to sharelatex...can you see untitled? |
| 13:31.12 | themill | julius_: on sharelatex, untitled.tex also doesn't compile cleanly -- check the logs |
| 13:31.18 | themill | points back at #latex |
| 13:31.23 | *** join/#debian \\Mr_C\\ (mrc@cpe-173-89-182-79.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 13:31.35 | *** join/#debian drith (~drithdx@94.26.1.106) |
| 13:32.31 | *** join/#debian paw (~afong@128.224.252.2) |
| 13:33.38 | *** join/#debian Sabotender (~Sabotende@unaffiliated/sabotender) |
| 13:35.30 | *** join/#debian hele (~hele@91-159-249-177.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 13:35.48 | *** join/#debian radw62 (ba1d6977@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.29.105.119) |
| 13:36.08 | julius_ | good catch |
| 13:36.16 | julius_ | the backend=bibtex was missing |
| 13:36.20 | *** join/#debian mpv (mpv@gateway/shell/xshellz/x-fnvwcverauqtmbmd) |
| 13:37.28 | julius_ | i guess the fault is entirely with me, i used the "play" button in texstudio instaed of the "build and view" button....and to top that i found a flawed latex example and maybe another one |
| 13:37.49 | julius_ | thank you guys for your patience |
| 13:38.37 | *** join/#debian vmod (~vmod@120.60.161.238) |
| 13:38.38 | *** join/#debian mhoney (~mhoney@107.170.174.121) |
| 13:38.54 | *** join/#debian flux242 (~chatzilla@89.204.154.49) |
| 13:39.24 | mhoney | has anyone seen a workaround for the bug in Jessie that won't mount an lvm volume after reboot? |
| 13:39.40 | mhoney | My GoogleFu is coming up with zilch |
| 13:40.04 | *** join/#debian angerman (~m@bb219-75-53-219.singnet.com.sg) |
| 13:41.08 | SynrGy | if you want to know what "the" bug is you're referring to, cite the bug# in the BTS |
| 13:41.16 | *** join/#debian Lacho (~lacho@181.95.135.122) |
| 13:42.24 | SynrGy | s/want to/want people to/ |
| 13:42.29 | julius_ | mhoney, vgchange -a y |
| 13:42.33 | julius_ | works for my external drive |
| 13:42.53 | *** join/#debian ArchNoob (~ArchNoob@unaffiliated/archnoob) |
| 13:43.01 | mhoney | julius_, ya that works, but I need something that will work automatically |
| 13:43.31 | SynrGy | if it's a known issue, it should be in the BTS, and simply looking it up there you will find any known workarounds. |
| 13:43.31 | RoyK | lvmetad, perhaps? |
| 13:43.52 | SynrGy | if a better workaround is not yet recorded and you find out one, then please supplement the bug with your findings. |
| 13:44.13 | mhoney | the bug was filled back with 8.1 - wonder why it's not getting any attention |
| 13:44.36 | *** part/#debian saunamees (~user@tartu.cyber.ee) |
| 13:44.42 | SynrGy | without reading the bug report, hard to know :) |
| 13:46.12 | *** join/#debian Scourje (uid63311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ibcoobcgqnrqvssd) |
| 13:46.29 | *** join/#debian way218 (~way218@95.157.36.185) |
| 13:46.31 | *** join/#debian Say3 (~Say3@ARennes-656-1-410-77.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 13:47.07 | *** join/#debian Tom01 (~tom@p5DDFD442.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:47.53 | *** join/#debian xdije (c22701aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.194.39.1.170) |
| 13:48.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1666] by debhelper |
| 13:48.01 | xdije | hi |
| 13:48.24 | xdije | i have a strange problem or maybe missing config with debian jessi |
| 13:48.29 | *** join/#debian beardface (~bearface@unaffiliated/bearface) |
| 13:48.57 | xdije | whatever i enter for password it accept it and log me in or su to root |
| 13:49.18 | *** join/#debian Sabotender (~Sabotende@unaffiliated/sabotender) |
| 13:49.49 | *** join/#debian mikeym (~discovery@textual/developer/mikeym) |
| 13:49.57 | ephemer0l | got a wildcard in /etc/shaddow? |
| 13:50.02 | petemc | xdije: did you use any non standard characters when creating password? |
| 13:51.13 | xdije | no |
| 13:52.51 | *** join/#debian TsukiRa (~tsukira@79-170-251-152.cust.avonet.cz) |
| 13:53.00 | RoyK | mhoney: did you try lvmetad? |
| 13:54.12 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.12.159) |
| 13:54.23 | *** join/#debian lvh (~lvh@python/psf/lvh) |
| 13:54.53 | lvh | Hi! Is there any documentation for configuring OpenVPN on Debian? I can't follow https://wiki.debian.org/openvpn%20for%20server%20and%20client because the easy-rsa dir it tells me to copy doesn't exist. |
| 13:55.12 | lvh | the easy-rsa share dir doesn't have anything exciting |
| 13:56.20 | *** join/#debian ben_roose (~roose@roose.cs.wichita.edu) |
| 13:56.31 | *** join/#debian fengling (~fengling@58.135.95.136) |
| 13:57.24 | mhoney | RoyK, Ill check into that |
| 13:59.02 | *** join/#debian stoffepojken (~stoffepoj@h-148-185.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 13:59.46 | *** join/#debian _foldLeft (~foldleft@205.153.36.170) |
| 14:00.22 | *** join/#debian flux242 (~chatzilla@89.204.154.49) |
| 14:00.23 | *** join/#debian avalchev (~avalchev@46.238.21.2) |
| 14:00.39 | bibble | lvh: there's actually a command for it |
| 14:00.43 | *** part/#debian avalchev (~avalchev@46.238.21.2) |
| 14:01.01 | bibble | something like 'make-ca-dir' |
| 14:01.32 | jelly | mhoney: how does it fail? which bug# is it? |
| 14:01.44 | *** join/#debian notebox (~textual@217.138.7.242) |
| 14:01.45 | jelly | (wfm) |
| 14:02.06 | *** join/#debian chalcedny (~chalcedon@unaffiliated/chalcedony) |
| 14:02.17 | sypher | lvh: Which OpenVPN release are you using? |
| 14:02.58 | lvh | The openvpn package is 2.3.4-5+deb8u1 |
| 14:03.13 | sypher | lvh: And which path are you looking at? |
| 14:03.15 | lvh | dpkg -l shows /usr/share/easy-rsa/, which I _think_ is what I want? |
| 14:03.15 | dpkg | No packages found matching shows /usr/share/easy-rsa/, which I _think_ is what I want |
| 14:03.23 | lvh | heh, thanks dpkg |
| 14:03.55 | sypher | lvh: Yes, that's where the scripts will be. |
| 14:04.07 | bibble | 'apt get install easy-rsa', 'sudo make-cadir /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa' |
| 14:04.13 | lvh | https://wiki.debian.org/openvpn%20for%20server%20and%20client tells me to copy from /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/2.0/ which does not exist |
| 14:04.35 | lvh | but judging from what that tutorial expects to be in that dir, /usr/share/easy-rsa is what it wants |
| 14:04.47 | sypher | bibble: He already has easy-rsa, it's a dependency for openvpn. |
| 14:04.55 | sypher | lvh: The path likely changed from when that howto was written. |
| 14:05.22 | lvh | That latter command did something though :) |
| 14:05.30 | bibble | sypher: ah. lvh , 'which make-cadir' gives what ? |
| 14:05.57 | lvh | bibble, sypher: which make-cadir is /usr/bin/make-cadir . Thanks! I'll go edit that wiki :) |
| 14:06.12 | bibble | cool |
| 14:07.07 | *** join/#debian s4ndm4n (~sandman@unaffiliated/sandman13) |
| 14:07.09 | *** join/#debian Sector89 (~Sector89@lawn-143-215-119-164.lawn.gatech.edu) |
| 14:07.09 | *** join/#debian Sector89 (~Sector89@fsf/member/Sector89) |
| 14:08.29 | *** join/#debian dinomons (~dinomons@c-71-228-203-101.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 14:10.09 | *** join/#debian jubo2 (~juboxi@89-27-78-178.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 14:10.09 | *** join/#debian jubo2 (~juboxi@wikipedia/jukeboksi) |
| 14:12.28 | *** join/#debian evade (~evade@208.93.94.10) |
| 14:13.11 | *** join/#debian on1ald (~ben@dD5761690.access.telenet.be) |
| 14:14.13 | *** join/#debian peterS (peters@ip68-102-112-122.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 14:14.48 | *** join/#debian spacebison (~bison@184-12-223-165.dr04.ekgv.ca.frontiernet.net) |
| 14:15.03 | *** join/#debian zebulon1st (6d150317@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.21.3.23) |
| 14:17.53 | *** join/#debian anuxivm (~anuxi@92.185.154.236) |
| 14:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1672] by debhelper |
| 14:19.15 | *** join/#debian m0ordzieK (~m0ordzieK@d51a59d72.access.telenet.be) |
| 14:20.20 | jelly | ,v fonts-symbola |
| 14:20.21 | judd | Package: fonts-symbola on amd64 -- sid: 2.59-1; stretch: 2.59-1 |
| 14:21.08 | *** join/#debian Antimattercarp (~Carp@2601:49:c302:560:5c7d:55a6:1406:ed96) |
| 14:21.27 | *** join/#debian de-facto (~de-facto@unaffiliated/de-facto) |
| 14:22.38 | *** join/#debian _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@92.176.142.156) |
| 14:23.00 | *** join/#debian stvlker (~stvlker@unaffiliated/stvlker) |
| 14:23.19 | *** join/#debian kernel-panic (~kp@5.29.72.204) |
| 14:23.19 | *** join/#debian kernel-panic (~kp@unaffiliated/kernel-panic) |
| 14:23.42 | *** join/#debian towo` (~towo@unaffiliated/towo/x-4064351) |
| 14:26.35 | *** join/#debian AvatarA (~avatara@unaffiliated/avatara) |
| 14:32.11 | *** join/#debian jubo2 (~juboxi@dgd9hpyfby7vgnwp4mjnt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi) |
| 14:32.11 | *** join/#debian jubo2 (~juboxi@wikipedia/jukeboksi) |
| 14:32.40 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@166.137.98.122) |
| 14:34.16 | *** join/#debian Zvmdyv (~Zvmdyv@unaffiliated/zvmdyv) |
| 14:34.51 | *** join/#debian edwardly (~edwardly@pool-108-26-225-137.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 14:34.51 | *** join/#debian edwardly (~edwardly@unaffiliated/edwardly) |
| 14:36.39 | zebulon1st | impossible to connect to https://webchat.oftc.net, to join #debian-next. I just have the status window with just a faw lines printed. Nothing else. I even can't join to #oftc. |
| 14:36.50 | *** join/#debian skapunker (~skapunker@host-72-175-206-210.static.bresnan.net) |
| 14:37.09 | zebulon1st | webircs are the only solution I have to go to IRC. |
| 14:37.13 | *** join/#debian jubo2 (~juboxi@dgd9hpyhg79z16vptnxbt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi) |
| 14:37.13 | *** join/#debian jubo2 (~juboxi@wikipedia/jukeboksi) |
| 14:37.18 | zebulon1st | (as here) |
| 14:37.34 | *** join/#debian Elirips (~Elirips@242.109.22.178.ftth.as8758.net) |
| 14:37.57 | *** join/#debian aaro (~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147) |
| 14:38.48 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:cd65:d68d:6d6c:6e03) |
| 14:38.55 | mhoney | jelly, I can't find the particular bug I saw referenced during my many google searches. Basically what I have is a software raid 5 (Not boot drive) with a vg sitting on top. The raid starts ok, but lvm won't start the vg. I have to issue a vgchange -ay everytime I reboot |
| 14:39.02 | *** join/#debian sm00th (~sm00th@unaffiliated/sm00th) |
| 14:39.15 | SynrG | zebulon1st: do you have a question to ask here, then? or did you just come to complain about something we can't fix for you? |
| 14:39.26 | SynrG | i mean, a debian support question |
| 14:39.37 | SynrG | we'll do our best with testing/unstable questions ... |
| 14:40.09 | RoyK | mhoney: I've seen similar with an lv not getting activated - on every bootup - with one of our servers - haven't figured it out yet (the lv is on a FC SAN, not md) |
| 14:40.30 | RoyK | mhoney: but did you try lvmetad? |
| 14:41.41 | SynrG | zebulon1st: incidentally, i Just connected using Chromium and https://webchat.oftc.net to #debian-next, so whatever issue you're having, it seems to be just you. |
| 14:42.05 | zebulon1st | SynrG: sorry, it's not a question about debian. but I have a question about stretch, so I have to connect to OFTC to join debian-next. But I can't. It do not connect. |
| 14:42.06 | *** join/#debian l3archos (~Icedove@unaffiliated/l3archos) |
| 14:42.16 | jhutchins | zebulon1st: The site resolves just fine for me. What kind of strange network are you on? |
| 14:42.21 | zebulon1st | SynrG: I think it's a port problem. |
| 14:42.35 | mhoney | royk, I found on my proxmox server adding a rootdelay=2 (or more) fixes the lvm not starting, but that only works if the lvm is sitting on a real hardware raid. I think the software raid / lvm combo is causing my other issue |
| 14:43.01 | mhoney | RoyK, I tried activating lvmetad in the lvm.conf but that didn't work |
| 14:43.36 | SynrG | zebulon1st: firewall blocking WebSockets? |
| 14:43.41 | RoyK | mhoney: hm... where did you add the rootdelay= |
| 14:43.42 | zebulon1st | SynrG: Many services are filtered out, like general IRC, NTP, FPT, thinks like these. So I have to use qwebirc to join IRC. |
| 14:44.04 | zebulon1st | SynrG: I have no access to the firewall |
| 14:44.06 | SynrG | chromium inspector shows a Socket |
| 14:44.18 | SynrG | well, just a theory that this might be your issue. |
| 14:44.33 | mhoney | RoyK, to the kernal boot line in grub.cfg |
| 14:44.53 | mhoney | RoyK, linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 root=UUID=ea4e2e30-3781-48aa-9ebe-8cdedf612a5f ro quiet rootdelay=2 |
| 14:45.02 | *** join/#debian Colti (Miramar-FL@unaffiliated/miramar-fl) |
| 14:45.19 | jhutchins | zebulon1st: webchat.oftc.net uses port 443. I think your network provider doesn't want you messing around on the 'net. |
| 14:45.32 | jhutchins | zebulon1st: It might be in your best interest to respect that intent. |
| 14:46.06 | *** join/#debian Lacho1 (~lacho@181.93.3.120) |
| 14:46.57 | jhutchins | zebulon1st: On the other hand, there's no reason not to ask stretch questions here, #debian-next just has a greater concentration of testing/unstable users. |
| 14:46.58 | *** part/#debian xdije (c22701aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.194.39.1.170) |
| 14:47.22 | zebulon1st | I used "stretch" |
| 14:47.34 | zebulon1st | *use |
| 14:47.43 | RoyK | mhoney: thanks - gotta try that on this server... |
| 14:47.50 | *** join/#debian Al3xG0 (~unix@46.246.42.38) |
| 14:47.51 | *** join/#debian Al3xG0 (~unix@unaffiliated/al3xg0) |
| 14:48.47 | *** join/#debian MrBy (~MrBy@85.115.23.2) |
| 14:48.58 | *** join/#debian jazz1 (~jazz@grichka-fb.groove.nu) |
| 14:49.50 | *** join/#debian s4ndm4n (~sandman@202.166.194.182) |
| 14:49.51 | *** join/#debian s4ndm4n (~sandman@unaffiliated/sandman13) |
| 14:50.55 | *** join/#debian shinnya (~shinnya@245.144.137.133.dy.bbexcite.jp) |
| 14:51.08 | *** join/#debian cyan__ (~cyan@217.170.162.68) |
| 14:54.34 | *** join/#debian edgrey (~edgrey@178.205.2.70) |
| 14:55.59 | *** join/#debian wds (~wds@cpe-66-65-174-190.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 14:56.56 | *** join/#debian Lacho (~lacho@181.91.50.59) |
| 14:57.18 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@nayon.fr) |
| 14:57.42 | *** join/#debian someone13 (~windshear@unaffiliated/someone13) |
| 14:57.57 | *** join/#debian fengling (~fengling@58.135.95.136) |
| 14:57.57 | someone13 | my only wis in life is to smell emilia clarke's feet and lick her soles and suck her toes |
| 14:58.10 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 14:58.10 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@unaffiliated/someone13] by abrotman |
| 14:58.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 14:59.13 | *** join/#debian Sabotender (~Sabotende@unaffiliated/sabotender) |
| 15:00.32 | *** join/#debian N1CK53RV (~jibber@185.140.114.137) |
| 15:00.34 | N1CK53RV | I HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO STAB MY POOP TO DEATH WITH A TOOTHPICK! |
| 15:00.39 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 15:00.39 | toruvinn | someone13, have you tried apt-get installing it? |
| 15:00.40 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@185.140.114.137] by abrotman |
| 15:00.40 | *** kick/#debian [N1CK53RV!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (you should know better) |
| 15:00.40 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 15:00.49 | abrotman | toruvinn: please do'nt feed the troll |
| 15:00.50 | toruvinn | what the hell is going on in this # anyway... |
| 15:01.00 | toruvinn | abrotman, he's silenced already, though ;-) |
| 15:01.04 | abrotman | doesnt' matter |
| 15:01.11 | toruvinn | ok, sorry then! |
| 15:01.25 | *** join/#debian exedore6 (~cleryd@71-11-4-82.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 15:01.44 | *** join/#debian dwarfmut (~dfaria@177.141.187.139) |
| 15:02.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 15:02.07 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@unaffiliated/someone13] by abrotman |
| 15:02.07 | *** kick/#debian [someone13!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (you should know better) |
| 15:02.07 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 15:02.09 | *** join/#debian dwarfmut (~dfaria@177.141.187.139) |
| 15:02.43 | dwarfmut | guys... |
| 15:03.50 | dwarfmut | i installed debian with desktop enviromnent.. but he dont install gnome-core or another gui... |
| 15:03.57 | dwarfmut | it is correct? |
| 15:04.03 | *** join/#debian SpeccyMan (~nick@94.197.120.7.threembb.co.uk) |
| 15:04.59 | *** join/#debian hualet (~hualet@113.57.50.16) |
| 15:05.18 | dwarfmut | i need install gnome-core after install debian? |
| 15:05.42 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@119.42.85.16) |
| 15:06.30 | *** join/#debian FreshDumbledore (~FreshDumb@unaffiliated/freshdumbledore) |
| 15:06.44 | jelly | which desktop environment did you choose during the installation? |
| 15:07.04 | FreshDumbledore | hi, how does aptitude do its autoremove list? asking because apt-get autoremove proposes a lot of packages i think i would like to keep using :^) |
| 15:07.11 | FreshDumbledore | xfce for me@jelly |
| 15:07.13 | dwarfmut | jelly: yes... |
| 15:07.35 | jelly | what is your native language, dwarfmut? |
| 15:07.43 | dwarfmut | jelly: portuguese |
| 15:07.48 | jelly | !pt |
| 15:07.49 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 15:07.59 | jelly | maybe. |
| 15:08.53 | *** join/#debian p3dr0 (~jaramilio@187.67.49.171) |
| 15:08.56 | jelly | nope, sorry, #debian-pt seems to be dead |
| 15:09.02 | jelly | both here and on oftc |
| 15:09.19 | dwarfmut | jelly: why i need enter in br channel? its a rule ? |
| 15:10.13 | FreshDumbledore | what makes apt-get autoremove think i dont need vlc or xfce4-panel anymore? :l |
| 15:10.17 | jelly | you didn't seem to understand <jelly> which desktop environment did you choose # there were multiple options, I asked which one did you select |
| 15:10.19 | *** join/#debian canopus (~canopus@unaffiliated/pierrot) |
| 15:11.09 | themill | FreshDumbledore: you removed the only thing that depended on them. You can "apt-mark manual" or "aptitude unmarkauto" the packages |
| 15:11.34 | FreshDumbledore | themill, but those are already 'final applications' i want to use - nothing should depend on them |
| 15:11.43 | themill | not true |
| 15:11.44 | *** join/#debian ewaku6 (~ewaku6@AStrasbourg-653-1-194-238.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:11.54 | dwarfmut | jelly: i choose desktop options jelly |
| 15:11.54 | jelly | FreshDumbledore: you may have removed a dependency for a metapackage like task-xfce-desktop |
| 15:12.14 | jelly | dwarfmut: there are multiple choices in that selection box. |
| 15:12.37 | *** join/#debian sypher_ (~sypher@unaffiliated/sypher) |
| 15:12.38 | themill | FreshDumbledore: "apt-cache rdepends vlc" â there are many |
| 15:13.06 | jelly | dwarfmut: maybe you picked soemthing other than Gnome (kde, or xfce, or lmde or cinnamon or mate?) |
| 15:13.28 | FreshDumbledore | themill, ok but vlc is a program that i even want to use if nothing else depends on it - that was my idea |
| 15:13.44 | themill | FreshDumbledore: sure, so that's why I told you how to fix this |
| 15:13.51 | jelly | FreshDumbledore: the system did not know you wanted to use them. To tell it so, mark it manually installed. |
| 15:14.15 | jelly | (task-xfce-desktop explicitely depends on vlc and xfce4-panel) |
| 15:14.33 | FreshDumbledore | its new for me that apt would try to remove packages for 'no reason', from my view |
| 15:14.37 | *** join/#debian bittin (~luna@vps154124.loopiavps.com) |
| 15:14.54 | themill | It's perfectly normal and there is always a reason |
| 15:15.12 | *** join/#debian Al3xG0 (~unix@46.246.42.17) |
| 15:15.13 | *** join/#debian Al3xG0 (~unix@unaffiliated/al3xg0) |
| 15:15.13 | dwarfmut | jelly: i dont select network mirror for dont install trashs |
| 15:15.51 | dwarfmut | jelly: default debian iso dont work equal xfce iso? installing gnome for example? |
| 15:16.04 | *** join/#debian LNJ2GO (~lnj@x55b2d4b7.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 15:16.06 | *** join/#debian _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@92.176.142.156) |
| 15:16.10 | dwarfmut | jelly: its a question... |
| 15:16.23 | *** join/#debian Se-bash (~seba@unaffiliated/se-bash) |
| 15:16.37 | jelly | dwarfmut: gnome is the default desktop environment, yes |
| 15:17.06 | FreshDumbledore | from my point of view, autoremove should only remove packages that were dependencies for other programs and are not used anymore. not, in lack of a better term, 'final programs' aka things i explicitly installed for the purpose of using them on their own :^) |
| 15:17.18 | *** join/#debian wigust (~quassel@178.71.228.230) |
| 15:17.22 | jelly | FreshDumbledore: wild-ass guess: try installing task-xfce-desktop back, see which packages will get pulled in -- you may have removed some of those, which resulted in task-xfce-desktop being removed, which in turn resulted in vlc and some other stuff not having a reason to be installed any more |
| 15:17.40 | jelly | FreshDumbledore: did you in fact explicitely install vlc? |
| 15:17.44 | dwarfmut | jelly: i select desktop environment in install but dont install gnome... install only xorg... |
| 15:18.00 | jelly | dwarfmut: that's weird |
| 15:18.01 | *** join/#debian Jane-PC (~Jane@unaffiliated/jane-pc) |
| 15:18.12 | dwarfmut | jelly: i dont select network mirrors, a think this is reason |
| 15:18.15 | FreshDumbledore | no it was part of the default installation so its a bad example |
| 15:18.30 | FreshDumbledore | i dont know if it was pulled in as a dependency or not :^) |
| 15:18.33 | *** join/#debian cat3 (~Cat3@188.130.155.154) |
| 15:18.50 | dwarfmut | jelly: i install one more time, and every time happened |
| 15:19.08 | jelly | dwarfmut: which iso image did you use? |
| 15:19.32 | *** join/#debian kzimmermann (~gidbsnskh@179.103.82.66) |
| 15:19.47 | dwarfmut | jelly: this... http://gensho.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 15:20.05 | themill | FreshDumbledore: you have a concept of "final program" that no-one else does (including apt). vlc is used as a library by quite a lot of other things. |
| 15:20.14 | *** join/#debian bkolden (~bkolden@cpe-104-172-197-103.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 15:20.39 | FreshDumbledore | themill, so if you do apt-get install vlc and then do autoremove it would be uninstalled, from your theory :^) |
| 15:20.51 | themill | ummm no |
| 15:21.05 | *** join/#debian zlatan (~Zlatan@188.124.194.247) |
| 15:21.08 | FreshDumbledore | see, because you explicitly installed it |
| 15:21.18 | *** part/#debian zlatan (~Zlatan@188.124.194.247) |
| 15:21.33 | themill | and you didn't |
| 15:21.41 | FreshDumbledore | could be |
| 15:21.43 | jelly | dwarfmut: I guess that should have gnome on it. In any case if you don't have network access at install time, you won't have patches and your system will not be up-to-date. I suggest trying to install with a wired network connection and pick a mirror. |
| 15:21.55 | FreshDumbledore | was part of the default installation, i dont know how it was processed |
| 15:22.24 | jelly | default installation doesn't have xfce at all |
| 15:22.37 | FreshDumbledore | well, it asks you for a wm |
| 15:22.42 | FreshDumbledore | still default chosing one of the options |
| 15:22.42 | FreshDumbledore | :P |
| 15:22.44 | dwarfmut | jelly: yes... i think this |
| 15:23.07 | *** join/#debian sphenxes02 (~sphenxes@178-191-174-176.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 15:23.17 | jelly | FreshDumbledore: choosing a non-default setting by definition makes it a non-default installation, don't you think |
| 15:23.21 | dwarfmut | jelly: if i choose gnome in my installation, he install gnome-core or gnome-desktop with all applications? |
| 15:23.45 | SynrG | CD-1 is very small |
| 15:23.56 | jelly | dwarfmut: I _think_ it will install task-gnome-desktop |
| 15:23.56 | SynrG | Why not DVD-1? |
| 15:24.17 | jelly | ,depends task-gnome-desktop |
| 15:24.18 | SynrG | I don't recall how they partitioned it |
| 15:24.18 | judd | Package task-gnome-desktop in jessie/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.31+deb8u1), task-desktop, gnome-core. |
| 15:24.29 | FreshDumbledore | jelly, picking one of the options provided by an installer doesnt make the installation non default :^) |
| 15:24.32 | jelly | task inception. |
| 15:25.03 | themill | FreshDumbledore: default sort of means not picking options |
| 15:25.37 | FreshDumbledore | doenst change my critic on apt anyway |
| 15:25.43 | *** join/#debian Azazell (~Azazel@2a02:a03f:2633:8f00:1b71:6842:94f:14a6) |
| 15:25.59 | themill | FreshDumbledore: you are quite correct in stating that apt is neither sentient nor a mind-reader |
| 15:27.11 | jelly | FreshDumbledore: apt, aptitude and dpkg also keep logs. I bet if you look at those, you'll find out you removed some packages after the installation. |
| 15:27.39 | jelly | FreshDumbledore: some of the things you removed may have depended on vlc. |
| 15:27.39 | *** join/#debian plain-stooge (~user@72.173.92.66) |
| 15:27.43 | FreshDumbledore | i probably actually mind the way the installer does it |
| 15:28.15 | FreshDumbledore | however in the result i mind having to mark packages to be able to use autoremove :^) |
| 15:28.17 | *** join/#debian asc232 (~Keith@179.38.148.9) |
| 15:28.27 | SynrG | FreshDumbledore: i would like you to entertain the thought that perhaps the software is doing something reasonable, but still not what you wanted. |
| 15:28.28 | *** join/#debian usero5 (~user@182.68.72.71) |
| 15:28.36 | themill | FreshDumbledore: in the time you've whinged about it, you could have done it. |
| 15:28.46 | SynrG | FreshDumbledore: and to make it do what you wanted would be to ask it to do something unreasonable, in the general case. |
| 15:28.46 | FreshDumbledore | SynrG, yeh i understand that apt just does his job if the packages were pulled in as dependencies for something |
| 15:28.54 | *** join/#debian zapashcanon (~zapashcan@unaffiliated/zapashcanon) |
| 15:29.14 | plain-stooge | hello |
| 15:29.22 | jelly | will refrain from commenting further until FreshDumbledore actually takes a look at the logs or at the task-xfce-desktop theory |
| 15:30.19 | FreshDumbledore | ofc i removed packages, like openoffice and others, denying that was never my point jelly. my point is packages like vlc should not just be pulled in as dependencies but be installed 'standalone' |
| 15:30.32 | FreshDumbledore | so they dont get thrown away if i remove something else |
| 15:30.41 | themill | FreshDumbledore: except you are not correct about vlc. |
| 15:30.52 | themill | but we've been over this how many times now? |
| 15:31.00 | FreshDumbledore | not enough, as you dont understand it yet |
| 15:31.04 | jelly | FreshDumbledore: then it's the user that will have to install them standalone, or mark them as such |
| 15:31.37 | themill | FreshDumbledore: umm... whatever. |
| 15:31.43 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.12.159) |
| 15:31.58 | jelly | xfce4-panel, your other example, is not very useful without the rest of xfce |
| 15:32.17 | FreshDumbledore | i am on xfce though and dont plan to change it |
| 15:32.36 | jelly | FreshDumbledore: verify whether you've removed task-xfce-desktop |
| 15:32.42 | FreshDumbledore | so if autoremove removes my panels, it would be an issue |
| 15:33.40 | *** join/#debian tristero (~al.f.zero@unaffiliated/transfinite) |
| 15:33.43 | plain-stooge | Hey guys, I was having an issue with Debian hard-freezing the other day but i think i've got it fixed. It was my PCI Wifi card and some conflicting firmware with my old realtek usb wifi adapter |
| 15:33.59 | FreshDumbledore | orage seems to be the culprit jelly |
| 15:34.07 | plain-stooge | other than that issue I really like debian :) |
| 15:34.09 | FreshDumbledore | removing that removed what you said |
| 15:34.56 | FreshDumbledore | reinstalling orage empties my apt-get autoremove list |
| 15:35.18 | plain-stooge | I uninstalled the old Realtek firmware and my uptime ATM is about 15hrs, whereas before it would freeze after ~20 mins |
| 15:35.30 | jelly | !win plain-stooge |
| 15:35.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, plain-stooge! You have won the US presidency! |
| 15:35.37 | plain-stooge | yay! |
| 15:36.00 | tjt263 | hey if i use a tool like lsusb, can i use those device numbers with ip dev? i.e: |
| 15:36.03 | tjt263 | Bus 003 Device 013: ID 0bda:8187 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187 Wireless Adapter |
| 15:36.06 | tjt263 | Bus 003 Device 012: ID 0cf3:9271 Atheros Communications, Inc. AR9271 802.11n |
| 15:36.18 | jelly | tjt263: nope |
| 15:36.48 | tjt263 | damn. |
| 15:36.56 | tjt263 | didnt think they were related |
| 15:37.36 | jelly | you'll have to somehow figure out which eth* or wlan* belong to which driver and device |
| 15:37.46 | FreshDumbledore | jelly, how can i remove orage, which has depends on xfc4 and task-xfce-desktop, without marking everything related to this 2 as obsolete / autoremovable? |
| 15:37.53 | jelly | FreshDumbledore: don't remove it. |
| 15:38.12 | FreshDumbledore | but.. i dont need it ._. |
| 15:38.13 | *** part/#debian ErrantEgo (~ErrantEgo@freenode/jester/errantego) |
| 15:38.40 | jelly | then mark manual all the _other_ dependencies of xfce4 and task-xfce-desktop first |
| 15:39.11 | jelly | orage is an integral xfce component |
| 15:39.23 | FreshDumbledore | its just an ugly calendar :l |
| 15:39.49 | jelly | that's not relevant to package management |
| 15:41.29 | *** join/#debian ER_nesto (~ER_nesto@host86-137-13-142.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) |
| 15:41.46 | FreshDumbledore | jelly, would it be sufficient to mark manual on xfce4 and task-xfce-desktop? |
| 15:42.30 | jelly | that won't prevent them from being removed when a dependency of theirs is removed, so no |
| 15:42.38 | *** join/#debian cat3 (~Cat3@188.130.155.154) |
| 15:44.12 | FreshDumbledore | jelly, okay thanks marked the dependencies of them as manual and removed orage, autoremove is fine |
| 15:44.16 | *** join/#debian llorephie (~Thunderbi@2001:470:6f:6b7::980) |
| 15:45.10 | jelly | yes, when you actually tell the system a package was installed manually, it obeys |
| 15:45.28 | *** join/#debian endstille (~endstille@p20030006132D44916465AC918E86B0FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:46.03 | FreshDumbledore | still feels weird to me that removing a calendar makes the system think i dont need my wm anymore :^) ok, it cant know. maybe the installer should mark the wms i install as manual |
| 15:46.47 | *** join/#debian kpease (~kpease@72.22.182.166) |
| 15:47.14 | *** join/#debian sl4v3 (~casey.bil@216.13.193.90) |
| 15:47.44 | jelly | it did. You removed a component that xfce metapackages depend on. |
| 15:49.42 | jelly | in addition, getting rid of task-* or DE metapackage like xfce4 makes further release upgrades (say, when debian 9 gets out) more prone to cruft and breakage |
| 15:50.09 | *** join/#debian teclo- (42@unaffiliated/teclo) |
| 15:50.32 | tjt263 | jelly: that should be easy enough ; |
| 15:50.33 | tjt263 | blackAlfa == atherosAR9271 ; silverAlfa == realtekRTL8187 ; |
| 15:50.35 | jelly | for that reason, I'd advise against component micromanagement |
| 15:51.05 | FreshDumbledore | it was not obvious (or logical) to me that that calendar would be an important xfce component :D |
| 15:51.58 | *** join/#debian Se-bash (~seba@unaffiliated/se-bash) |
| 15:52.29 | jhutchins | FreshDumbledore: Think of the components that are part of gnome. |
| 15:52.30 | *** join/#debian leba2 (bb86ab32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.134.171.50) |
| 15:52.45 | jelly | FreshDumbledore: apt warned you it would remove task-xfce-desktop along with small-uninteresting-bit-i-dont-use |
| 15:52.47 | jhutchins | FreshDumbledore: It's an expected part of a desktop environment. |
| 15:53.47 | jelly | > The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 15:53.49 | *** join/#debian Starkythefox (~Starky@unaffiliated/starky) |
| 15:53.50 | FreshDumbledore | jelly, yes, i do acknowledge it was my fault to not pay attention there |
| 15:54.01 | FreshDumbledore | i just trust, because its debian, you know :^) |
| 15:54.37 | *** join/#debian B[]rG (~Borg@46-150-40-173.cable.teleing.net) |
| 15:55.36 | jelly | both apt and aptitude, can do things you wouldn't expect them to |
| 15:56.02 | FreshDumbledore | lesson learned :) |
| 15:56.11 | FreshDumbledore | even on debian, you can not go full autopilot on packages |
| 15:56.59 | jelly | you can, if you don't go randomly removing stuff |
| 15:57.11 | *** join/#debian m0ordzieK (~m0ordzieK@d51A59D72.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:57.31 | jelly | (but then you get lots of cruft over the releases) |
| 15:57.55 | FreshDumbledore | just an ugly calendar ._. |
| 15:57.56 | FreshDumbledore | :) |
| 15:58.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 15:58.58 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!*@unaffiliated/someone13] by abrotman |
| 15:58.58 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 15:59.32 | *** join/#debian fengling (~fengling@58.135.95.136) |
| 16:01.09 | *** join/#debian mdel (uid25573@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bofhmjykvazdvhqt) |
| 16:01.33 | *** join/#debian afuentes (~kusanagi@201.165.35.37.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 16:07.19 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.12.159) |
| 16:08.00 | *** join/#debian gwaaf[m] (gwaafmatri@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xatfjcuvwszbffsb) |
| 16:08.22 | *** join/#debian LeandroLuiz (~LLP@unaffiliated/leandroluiz) |
| 16:09.25 | *** join/#debian namix (~namix@unaffiliated/namix) |
| 16:14.13 | *** join/#debian chuck__ (~chuck@host137-114-dynamic.250-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 16:14.19 | *** part/#debian feal (~fiel@dslb-088-068-062-016.088.068.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 16:15.08 | *** join/#debian durka42 (~durka42@SEAS104.wlan.seas.upenn.edu) |
| 16:15.25 | durka42 | Hi, I need some help reading /var/log/dpkg.log. I'm trying to downgrade libc to the version I had before the latest upgrade, and the log says "upgrade linux-libc-dev:amd64 3.13.0-91.138 3.13.0-92.139". But I tried `apt-get install linux-libc-dev=3.13.0-91.138` to downgrade and it says no such version. What gives? |
| 16:17.32 | *** join/#debian juantelez (~juantelez@unaffiliated/juantelez) |
| 16:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1664] by debhelper |
| 16:19.17 | jmcnaught | durka42: which release of Debian is this for? |
| 16:19.29 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (~sphenxes@178-191-174-176.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 16:20.03 | *** join/#debian hspcd (~hspcd@209.194.238.238) |
| 16:20.12 | *** join/#debian jeexy (~xz@net.starcom.pro) |
| 16:21.12 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (~sphenxes@178-191-174-176.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 16:21.15 | jelly | durka42: that sounds ubuntu or a derivative distro. If you were on Debian you'd be able to use snapshot.debian.org to find older package versions. Ask in your distro's channel what they do. |
| 16:21.16 | *** join/#debian jeezy (~xz@bitchx/apple/jeezy) |
| 16:21.17 | *** part/#debian exedore6 (~cleryd@71-11-4-82.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 16:23.04 | *** join/#debian Rust3dCor3 (~Rust3dCor@unaffiliated/rust3dcor3) |
| 16:24.06 | jelly | durka42: here's a final free hint: apt can only work with versions that are still available in configured repos. "apt-cache policy linux-libc-dev" |
| 16:24.25 | *** join/#debian N4N04858 (~root@AMontpellier-654-1-225-221.w92-145.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:24.32 | *** join/#debian lel (~lel@unaffiliated/lel) |
| 16:25.27 | cybrNaut | "apt-cache policy bitlbee" says installed and candidate versions are the same (3.2.2-2+b1). But when I run "reportbug bitlbee" it says my version is out of date |
| 16:26.03 | jelly | ,v bitlbee |
| 16:26.04 | judd | Package: bitlbee on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.5-1.2; jessie: 3.2.2-2+b1; stretch: 3.4.2-1.1; sid: 3.4.2-1.1 |
| 16:26.13 | *** join/#debian AimHere (~bod@cpc102316-sgyl38-2-0-cust632.18-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 16:26.20 | *** join/#debian teraflops (~teraflops@158.red-83-39-31.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:26.21 | cybrNaut | is that a bug in reportbug? |
| 16:26.40 | SynrG | or a bug in your apt policy? |
| 16:26.40 | jelly | maybe it looked at unstable? |
| 16:26.48 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:fc4e:d806:3563:21fe) |
| 16:26.53 | *** join/#debian rpcope (~rpcope@162.245.217.4) |
| 16:26.54 | SynrG | give us the output of: apt-cache policy |
| 16:27.03 | SynrG | (no arguments) |
| 16:27.14 | *** join/#debian vivid (~vivid@unaffiliated/vivid) |
| 16:27.53 | *** join/#debian frediz (~Fred@jor31-1-78-225-230-73.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 16:27.58 | jelly | ,v bitlbee --arch i386 |
| 16:27.58 | *** join/#debian iamawesome (~shibly@unaffiliated/shibly) |
| 16:28.00 | judd | Package: bitlbee on i386 -- wheezy: 3.0.5-1.2; jessie: 3.2.2-2; stretch: 3.4.2-1.1; sid: 3.4.2-1.1 |
| 16:28.08 | iamawesome | Is qt installed with debian by default? |
| 16:28.24 | iamawesome | For example someone installed gnome debian |
| 16:28.28 | jelly | iamawesome: why do you ask? |
| 16:28.46 | *** join/#debian johnr_ (503d08f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.61.8.240) |
| 16:28.50 | iamawesome | I want to know |
| 16:29.00 | jelly | iamawesome: what's your goal? qt has lots of components, some may be installed some not |
| 16:29.01 | iamawesome | Is it default with debian installation? |
| 16:29.33 | johnr_ | How am I supposed to configure xdg-open on Jessie? xdg-open file.pdf # does not even work. |
| 16:29.39 | *** join/#debian wonderworld (~ww@ip-176-198-123-154.hsi05.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 16:29.48 | johnr_ | I have evince installed as well as acroread. |
| 16:29.50 | *** join/#debian rpcope (~rpcope@162.245.217.4) |
| 16:29.53 | iamawesome | Suppose there is a qt program/software, he needs to run it. So are the necessary packages installed by default with debian to run that qt program? |
| 16:30.04 | *** join/#debian Sabotender (~Sabotende@unaffiliated/sabotender) |
| 16:30.23 | johnr_ | According to some bug report Jessie now has "native support", whatever that may mean, since it doesn't work. |
| 16:30.43 | keekz | does "deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main" no longer work? http.debian.net is giving errors |
| 16:30.52 | jelly | cybrNaut: my reportbug also says where it found the newer versions, immediately below "Your version (3.2.2-2) of bitlbee appears to be out of date." |
| 16:30.52 | johnr_ | xdg-open also seems to be some god awful shell script. |
| 16:31.01 | *** join/#debian nathanleclaire (~nathanlec@c-73-189-234-64.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:31.08 | *** join/#debian walking (~walking@216.189.150.105) |
| 16:31.30 | jelly | !hdn |
| 16:31.30 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main". See http://httpredir.debian.org/ for more information. The redirector uses HTTP 302 redirects not DNS to serve content so is safe to use with Google DNS. See also <which httpredir.debian.org>. This service is identical to http.debian.net. |
| 16:31.31 | leba2 | I'm having a strange issue with ntp on Debian 8.5. Whenever I start the pc (or reboot), ntp service status (systemctl status ntp -l) gives errors "getaddrinfo: #.debian.pool.ntp.org invalid host address. ignored", where #=0,1,2,3. But if restarting ntp service there are no more errors, as if fixed. Problem is errors happen whenever rebooting. |
| 16:31.35 | leba2 | (ouch) |
| 16:31.36 | johnr_ | It even tries to call programs which do not exist. |
| 16:31.52 | jelly | keekz: what about the newer hostname httpredir.debian.org |
| 16:31.56 | *** join/#debian PryMar56 (~prymar@unaffiliated/prymar56) |
| 16:32.07 | johnr_ | So, instead of checking and giving some error message, it just calls it. |
| 16:32.17 | keekz | jelly: i haven't tried that yet, it used to be http.debian.net which apparently is not workign, and i have tons of servers set to use http.debian.net |
| 16:32.20 | johnr_ | And, on top of that, these are program which I never configured. |
| 16:32.20 | leba2 | Still, ntpq -np gives me some few addresses and one of them is marked with *, which means it's seemingly working normally... |
| 16:32.27 | johnr_ | It tries to use elinks to open a PDF file. |
| 16:32.33 | johnr_ | Can it be any more retarded? |
| 16:32.36 | *** part/#debian iamawesome (~shibly@unaffiliated/shibly) |
| 16:32.47 | keekz | trying to figure out if http.debian.net is permanently dead, or intermittent fail |
| 16:32.51 | johnr_ | !xdg |
| 16:32.52 | dpkg | freedesktop.org (fd.o, formerly X Desktop Group) is a project focusing on interoperability and shared base technology for free software desktop environments for the X Window System. http://freedesktop.org/ #freedesktop.org on irc.freenode.net. See also <dbus>, <devicekit>, <hal>, <nouveau>. |
| 16:32.53 | *** join/#debian elliot007 (~elliot@139.59.14.155) |
| 16:32.57 | johnr_ | !xdg-open |
| 16:33.11 | jelly | iamawesome: if the software is in debian or it has repos made for debian, installation will pull in any necessary library packages needed to make it work |
| 16:33.29 | m0ordzieK | Any Samba experts here? |
| 16:33.42 | keekz | it looks like it's just intermittently failing |
| 16:33.47 | keekz | just worked for me now :/ |
| 16:33.52 | zykotick9 | m0ordzieK: keep ubuntu-based questions in #ubuntu |
| 16:34.22 | jelly | keekz: it has been renamed a couple months back, maybe a year now |
| 16:34.44 | keekz | so is httpredir.debian.org the "proper" name... for now... ? |
| 16:34.49 | jelly | yeah |
| 16:35.00 | SynrG | yep. since a while ago. |
| 16:35.00 | *** join/#debian philipballew (~philip@ubuntu/member/philipballew) |
| 16:35.04 | keekz | or ftp.debian.org ? because the documentation states both |
| 16:35.05 | leba2 | Hello? |
| 16:35.37 | keekz | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ says ftp.debian.org https://wiki.debian.org/Backports says httpredir.debian.org :/ |
| 16:35.44 | *** join/#debian Butt3rfl1 (~sona@trivialand/genius/butt3rfly) |
| 16:36.13 | m0ordzieK | zykotick9 |
| 16:36.16 | m0ordzieK | actually |
| 16:36.19 | m0ordzieK | it isnt ubuntu based |
| 16:36.21 | *** join/#debian anuxivm (~anuxi@92.185.154.236) |
| 16:36.23 | m0ordzieK | i just tought they would know |
| 16:36.28 | jelly | dpkg, tell m0ordzieK about enter |
| 16:36.31 | johnr_ | One of the things output by xdg-open is: Error: no "view" rule for type "application/pdf" passed its test case |
| 16:36.48 | johnr_ | Hello, I am actually running Debian. |
| 16:37.33 | johnr_ | I don't understand why such simple stuff as figuring out a mimetype, figuring out that evince and acroread are candidates, and then starting one of the two is such a major problem in Debian. |
| 16:37.45 | johnr_ | xdg-open is full of hacks. |
| 16:37.57 | johnr_ | And it doesn't even work. |
| 16:38.16 | johnr_ | So, how is someone supposed to open a pdf file on Jessie via xdg-open? |
| 16:38.26 | jelly | johnr_: is your DISPLAY variable set correctly in the shell you're trying to run xdg-open from? |
| 16:38.32 | *** join/#debian robotroll (~robotroll@unaffiliated/robotroll) |
| 16:38.51 | johnr_ | jelly: probably not. |
| 16:38.55 | jelly | why? |
| 16:39.05 | johnr_ | jelly: because I am testing this in a remote shell. |
| 16:39.22 | jelly | johnr_: then X apps won't be able to work |
| 16:39.31 | johnr_ | jelly: I could try an X session, but it seems rather silly that it doesn't warn me about that. |
| 16:39.44 | johnr_ | jelly: more like horrendously retarded. |
| 16:39.52 | johnr_ | jelly: *especially* for pdf. |
| 16:40.02 | johnr_ | What was the last time you used a text renderer for PDF? |
| 16:40.16 | babilen | johnr_: What did you expect to happen? |
| 16:40.18 | johnr_ | jelly: so, I will try it via an X session. |
| 16:40.23 | jelly | what was the last time you tried to open a .pdf on Linux without X ? |
| 16:40.23 | *** join/#debian smica (~smica@88.132.80.188) |
| 16:40.51 | *** join/#debian hycer (~hycer@chaos.ascera.org) |
| 16:40.53 | *** join/#debian althalus (~althalus@2601:603:a01:3bbf:48df:8989:db48:502e) |
| 16:40.58 | johnr_ | babilen: I want xdg-open to be a dumb tool, which just maps from filetype to program. |
| 16:41.15 | jelly | johnr_: I'm guessing: a minute ago, and the system couldn't find any command to "view" such a file in absence of X |
| 16:41.33 | johnr_ | jelly: so, why couldn't it just have said that? |
| 16:41.48 | johnr_ | Because it was made by the xdg people who want to have a broken desktop. |
| 16:41.48 | *** join/#debian greycat (~wooledg@remote.wooledge.org) |
| 16:41.52 | jelly | probably noone noticed |
| 16:42.00 | johnr_ | There are many such bugs. |
| 16:42.04 | jelly | because all the xdg stuff assumes X running |
| 16:42.14 | johnr_ | jelly: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=658139 |
| 16:42.23 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/658139 in evince (closed, patch): «missing mime entry»; severity: serious; opened: 2012-01-31; last modified: 2013-11-13. |
| 16:42.29 | johnr_ | jelly: I will check your hypothesis. |
| 16:42.35 | johnr_ | jelly: one moment. |
| 16:42.36 | babilen | johnr_: Where do you want it to open it? |
| 16:42.50 | johnr_ | babilen: on the target system. |
| 16:42.59 | *** join/#debian brokencycle (~brokencyc@222.131.58.235) |
| 16:43.27 | johnr_ | babilen: you know what's also "fun"? |
| 16:43.37 | babilen | johnr_: In which X session? |
| 16:43.39 | johnr_ | babilen: when it finally calls lynx, it doesn't escape its argument. |
| 16:44.00 | johnr_ | babilen: so, if you have a file name with spaces, it happily tries to open it a million times. |
| 16:44.01 | johnr_ | GREAT |
| 16:44.13 | babilen | xdg-open silliness aside, I still don't quite understand what you wanted to happen |
| 16:44.14 | johnr_ | Really, does *anyone* do *ANY* QA on this? |
| 16:44.17 | jelly | that sounds like a separate issue |
| 16:44.35 | johnr_ | jelly: the issue is that the people who made xdg-open are stupid. |
| 16:44.46 | johnr_ | jelly: and I am stupid for assuming they weren't. |
| 16:44.47 | *** join/#debian SCHAAP137 (~dorian@unaffiliated/schaap137) |
| 16:44.53 | babilen | Did you expect xdg-open to start X and display the PDF on the remote box? |
| 16:45.00 | johnr_ | babilen: NO |
| 16:45.08 | *** join/#debian soee (~soee@user-164-127-245-202.play-internet.pl) |
| 16:45.15 | babilen | What do you mean by "on the target system" then? |
| 16:45.15 | *** part/#debian durka42 (~durka42@SEAS104.wlan.seas.upenn.edu) |
| 16:45.17 | johnr_ | babilen: I just expected it to start the binary and then say "your DISPLAY variable is not set". |
| 16:45.27 | johnr_ | babilen: like I said: like a dumb mapping. |
| 16:45.44 | babilen | Right, that makes more sense |
| 16:45.47 | johnr_ | babilen: and how it's possible that I have to explain this twice to you escapes me. |
| 16:45.56 | johnr_ | babilen: sounds like an attempt at trolling. |
| 16:46.07 | jelly | johnr_: sorry, that's not a constructive approach to solving one or more tech issues, I'll let someone else help you if they want. |
| 16:46.22 | babilen | Huh? When did you explain it the first time around? I also don't think that we will actually be able to help. |
| 16:46.36 | greycat | johnr_: which pathway is xdg_open taking on your system? Which DE are you in, etc.? |
| 16:46.45 | *** join/#debian franzer (~textual@162.216.46.60) |
| 16:46.53 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@nayon.fr) |
| 16:47.02 | johnr_ | greycat: on a shell it uses "generic". |
| 16:47.19 | johnr_ | greycat: anyway, I will first test something. |
| 16:47.25 | *** join/#debian Se-bash (~seba@unaffiliated/se-bash) |
| 16:47.42 | *** join/#debian duoi (~duoi@unaffiliated/duoi) |
| 16:47.50 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:e46a:3806:e348:cffa) |
| 16:48.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1671] by debhelper |
| 16:48.07 | greycat | johnr_: at first glance it *looks* like the argument of open_generic() is quoted properly. |
| 16:48.13 | *** join/#debian iWaldo (iWaldo___@unaffiliated/iwaldo) |
| 16:48.23 | leba2 | greycat: sir, do you have any epxerience with ntp by chance?= |
| 16:48.25 | leba2 | ? |
| 16:48.31 | johnr_ | greycat: perhaps there are "weird characters". |
| 16:48.48 | johnr_ | greycat: I can assure you that it calls "n programs". |
| 16:48.57 | greycat | Then again this script is pretty nasty. There may be subtle bugs I can't see in just a few seconds. |
| 16:48.58 | johnr_ | greycat: 1 for each space. |
| 16:49.09 | johnr_ | greycat: it should never have shipped in Debian. |
| 16:49.14 | johnr_ | It's a joke. |
| 16:49.15 | *** join/#debian gmh (glenn@hinderaker.com) |
| 16:49.31 | johnr_ | I don't get how the Linux kernel has at least some quality and then the user land is completely broken. |
| 16:49.43 | johnr_ | It's like shitting on the statue of liberty. |
| 16:49.44 | jelly | leba2: "ntpq -p localhost" says what precisely? |
| 16:50.25 | jelly | johnr_: cut the commentary and stick to tech, please |
| 16:50.38 | *** join/#debian Ricardo__ (~rick@201.37.161.74) |
| 16:50.38 | *** join/#debian Ricardo__ (~rick@unaffiliated/ricardo--/x-7903455) |
| 16:50.44 | *** join/#debian mazert (~mazert@ANice-653-1-568-173.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:51.06 | jelly | don't want other users to think wanton ranting is useful or welcome |
| 16:51.19 | greycat | In any case, file a bug report if there isn't one already. |
| 16:51.22 | *** part/#debian BadCodSmell (~BadCodSme@pdpc/supporter/professional/badcodsmell) |
| 16:52.27 | johnr_ | jelly: apparently Debian needs someone to explain how bad it is. |
| 16:52.42 | johnr_ | Clearly, Debian has nobody who checks quality. |
| 16:52.43 | greycat | The correct vector for such explanations is to file a bug report. |
| 16:53.08 | johnr_ | greycat: there is a bug report, but it was closed without a fix. |
| 16:53.10 | babilen | johnr_: This has very little to do with Debian. Please file a bug report in which you describe the technical problems you encountered and use a different tool in the interim. |
| 16:53.10 | leba2 | jelly: aside the 127.127.1.0, I'm getting 4 other addresses, and one of them has an *, which means it's working, it's getting sync-ed from internet. Yet the -"ignored"- errors in ntp service status are still there, unless I simply restart ntp service. |
| 16:53.20 | jelly | preferably with patches attached |
| 16:53.28 | johnr_ | greycat: so, someone should have stepped up and fired the maintainer. |
| 16:53.37 | johnr_ | But that never happens in "open-source". |
| 16:53.48 | johnr_ | Because everyone is political as hell. |
| 16:53.55 | johnr_ | Nobody can ever do something wrong. |
| 16:54.02 | johnr_ | Because then perhaps the volunteers leave. |
| 16:54.06 | johnr_ | Boohooh. |
| 16:54.10 | jelly | leba2: "systemctl status ntp" just shows a couple lines of the log, I think -- does not necessarily mean much |
| 16:54.14 | babilen | johnr_: Drop it please. If you want help then stick to technical issues. Link the bug report and be clear in which you want this channel to do. |
| 16:54.18 | johnr_ | That's what is wrong. |
| 16:55.05 | babilen | *in which way |
| 16:55.15 | johnr_ | babilen: people are computers too. In this case these particular computers are broken. |
| 16:55.47 | *** mode/#debian [+o jelly] by ChanServ |
| 16:55.48 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@80.61.8.240] by jelly |
| 16:55.49 | *** mode/#debian [-o jelly] by ChanServ |
| 16:55.57 | *** join/#debian HerculeP (~herc@ip-109-47-2-169.web.vodafone.de) |
| 16:56.21 | jelly | johnr_: no more whining. Please cool down for 10 minutes, and try something constructive afterwards. |
| 16:56.36 | babilen | johnr_: Please come back when you want to discuss technical issues. Issues that this channel can actually help you to address. |
| 16:56.36 | *** join/#debian DammitJim (~DammitJim@173.227.148.6) |
| 16:58.17 | cybrNaut | jelly, SynrG: thanks for the feedback regarding bitlbee versions. Since there is no backport available, i'm not going to press things.. i'll just wait for stretch to become stable. |
| 16:58.20 | jelly | It's normal to get frustrated with buggy software, but fixing is better than assigning blame. (Re)opening bug reports and sending patches if possible. |
| 16:58.59 | *** join/#debian Gr33nW0lf (~Gr33nW0lf@189.40.68.182) |
| 17:00.18 | *** join/#debian verax_ (3b5a38bd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.90.56.189) |
| 17:00.49 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (~sphenxes@178-191-174-176.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 17:01.09 | *** join/#debian fengling (~fengling@58.135.95.136) |
| 17:01.25 | *** join/#debian silverhom (~silverhom@c83-252-238-248.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 17:03.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o eir] by ChanServ |
| 17:03.59 | *** mode/#debian [-bo *!*@185.140.114.137 eir] by eir |
| 17:04.48 | *** join/#debian user (~user@138.122.108.7) |
| 17:05.32 | *** join/#debian foxmask (~foxmask@unaffiliated/foxmask) |
| 17:05.34 | foxmask | o/ |
| 17:06.10 | foxmask | I dont find a page that show us the most used scripting language use by package on debian |
| 17:06.17 | *** join/#debian flux242 (~chatzilla@89.15.236.142) |
| 17:06.21 | foxmask | used* |
| 17:06.27 | greycat | I would bet it's sh. |
| 17:06.28 | *** join/#debian hualet (~hualet@113.57.50.16) |
| 17:07.06 | babilen | Probably .. but I am not aware that such a page exist. Did you find it before, foxmask ? Or are you just interested in some statistics? |
| 17:07.27 | leba2 | jelly: I used "systemctl status ntp -l" |
| 17:07.55 | greycat | I don't think the package database has enough metadata to calculate such a statistic. There are going to be *way* too many little auxiliary shell scripts running around everywhere with no explicit dependency because sh is in "required". |
| 17:08.00 | foxmask | babilen: i tried to finbd one |
| 17:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1677] by debhelper |
| 17:08.03 | foxmask | find* |
| 17:08.29 | babilen | foxmask: I'd be suprised if it exists |
| 17:08.31 | foxmask | babilen: but if you know a way to get those stats ; why not :) |
| 17:08.37 | babilen | I don't |
| 17:08.41 | foxmask | ok |
| 17:08.52 | jelly | foxmask: go unpack all the packages, find the #! files and make some stats. Pronto! |
| 17:08.53 | *** join/#debian mastokley (~mastokley@97-126-102-202.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 17:09.01 | babilen | Install everything and take it from there |
| 17:09.02 | *** join/#debian Engys (~Engys@p5DDB1DCA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:09.17 | jelly | (spoiler: you can't install everything) |
| 17:09.25 | foxmask | hehe |
| 17:09.38 | *** join/#debian lohenpaa (~jotain@dsl-hkibrasgw5-58c047-135.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 17:10.52 | *** join/#debian Nh3xus (~Nh3xus@unaffiliated/nh3xus) |
| 17:11.04 | babilen | You could, however, download everything, unpack them to a temporary location and analyse the package content |
| 17:11.26 | babilen | Are the classifiers available that GitHub uses for their language statistics? |
| 17:11.26 | greycat | Yes, this is conceivable, albeit a massive waste of bandwidth. |
| 17:12.26 | *** join/#debian Gr33nW0lf (~Gr33nW0lf@189.40.68.182) |
| 17:12.53 | babilen | I downloaded all of Wikipedia in all languages for a project .. if you need those numbes, you need them. It would take time and bandwidth, but it's a way to achieve the goal. |
| 17:13.40 | *** mode/#debian [+o jelly] by ChanServ |
| 17:13.43 | *** mode/#debian [-o jelly] by ChanServ |
| 17:14.10 | *** mode/#debian [+o jelly] by ChanServ |
| 17:14.14 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!*@80.61.8.240] by jelly |
| 17:14.19 | *** mode/#debian [-o jelly] by ChanServ |
| 17:16.53 | jelly | foxmask: http://sources.debian.net/stats/ has some |
| 17:17.12 | foxmask | jelly: thanks |
| 17:17.14 | *** join/#debian OS-21878 (~OS-21878@41.169.40.132) |
| 17:17.43 | jelly | focusing on source, not the resulting binary packages |
| 17:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1669] by debhelper |
| 17:18.13 | *** join/#debian fernie (~jarkko@85-76-22-53-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 17:18.17 | *** part/#debian lucad111 (~lucad111@51-148-40-1.dsl.zen.co.uk) |
| 17:18.17 | *** join/#debian Specialist (~tg@2001:4dd0:fe44:0:fbd9:b1aa:ee05:cf87) |
| 17:18.19 | babilen | Fantastic :) |
| 17:18.55 | johnr_ | If I open a bug saying that the program has no specification which can be implemented, do you think anyone would care? |
| 17:19.07 | johnr_ | xdg-open opens a file or URL in the user's preferred application. If a URL is provided the URL will be opened in the user's preferred web browser. If a file is provided the file will be opened in the preferred application for files of that type. xdg-open supports file, ftp, http and https URLs. xdg-open is for use inside a desktop session only. It is not recommended to use xdg-open as root. |
| 17:19.12 | *** join/#debian x032cx (~lxuser@unaffiliated/tdis) |
| 17:19.15 | *** part/#debian bagbobilgins (~bagbobilg@5ec1b4f7.skybroadband.com) |
| 17:19.30 | johnr_ | How can a computer every know what a user's preferred application is? |
| 17:19.39 | johnr_ | It cannot, so this program has no semantics. |
| 17:19.57 | babilen | johnr_: I think that you would have to be more specific about the points in which that goal hasn't been met or in which the behaviour was buggy |
| 17:19.57 | *** join/#debian swift110 (~swift110@unaffiliated/swift110) |
| 17:20.11 | *** join/#debian Not_a_Robot (~soul@231.red-95-120-69.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:20.18 | johnr_ | babilen: I can make a proof that it is impossible to fullfill this specification. |
| 17:20.49 | babilen | johnr_: There is little point in arguing that the ultimate goal (omniscience) cannot be implement as that is not helpful in addressing errors in the heuristics |
| 17:21.01 | *** join/#debian SCHAAP137 (~dorian@unaffiliated/schaap137) |
| 17:21.08 | jelly | johnr_: if you've found a bug in the specs, tell #freedesktop |
| 17:21.13 | johnr_ | babilen: that's not what the man page says, does it? |
| 17:21.19 | johnr_ | babilen: it doesn't say that it uses heuristics. |
| 17:21.26 | johnr_ | babilen: it says that is implement omniscience. |
| 17:21.46 | *** join/#debian tkla (~tklassen@p5B3EE3DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:22.10 | johnr_ | it implements* |
| 17:22.35 | babilen | johnr_: The xdg-open <-> user brain interface has not yet been formalised. There is no point in arguing that it is hard for a program to decide what a user "prefers". It is a best effort approach on heuristics of which the user can influence a number by installing certain programs and making certain choices. |
| 17:22.50 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:e46a:3806:e348:cffa) |
| 17:22.53 | babilen | If you have a patch for the manpage then please send that. |
| 17:23.08 | johnr_ | babilen: it's only someone who is retarded would come up with and it takes an equally big idiot to ship it. |
| 17:23.13 | babilen | I'd argue that most people would understand that a program can't really tell what their preferences are. |
| 17:23.20 | johnr_ | babilen: that is my opinion on it. |
| 17:23.25 | johnr_ | babilen: you might have a different one. |
| 17:23.56 | johnr_ | It should say that it uses the preferences set via API SetMyPreferences, or whatever. |
| 17:24.16 | babilen | johnr_: Please stop allegations. I don't understand what you expect us (i.e. #debian) to do. There is little point in arguing semantics. If you want something to change then file a reasonable and detailed bug report (with patches would be great) and it will be looked at. |
| 17:25.03 | babilen | The preference is communicated by a number of explicit and implicit choices the user made. This is what makes it so hard to implement this correct and what makes the script so horrible. |
| 17:25.06 | johnr_ | babilen: my recommendation is to rewrite the manpage to document what the program actually does or to get rid of the program completely. Would that be something which is of interest? |
| 17:25.34 | johnr_ | Guessing only leads to misery. |
| 17:25.44 | johnr_ | I thought only newbies didn't know that. |
| 17:26.14 | johnr_ | I wonder whether the author of xdg-open is actually a good engineer. I am going to guess "no". |
| 17:26.19 | babilen | If you found a way in which the script could perform its, ultimately futile, job in a better way then lets address this. There is little point in whining or calling people who developed or shipped that script "retarded" (and that is a *very* offensive term to use and I would be happy if you could refrain from doing that) |
| 17:26.38 | *** join/#debian rsx (~dummy@ppp-93-104-37-145.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 17:26.40 | johnr_ | babilen: see? We fundamentally disagree. |
| 17:26.46 | johnr_ | babilen: you think it's worth saving. |
| 17:26.50 | babilen | So, lets move on. There is no point in pursuing this further unless you want to discuss actual technical problems. |
| 17:26.54 | johnr_ | babilen: I think the very point of the program is flawed. |
| 17:26.55 | johnr_ | babilen: OK |
| 17:27.26 | *** join/#debian feal (~fiel@dslb-088-068-062-016.088.068.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 17:27.37 | greycat | johnr_: then stop using it. |
| 17:27.37 | johnr_ | babilen: have you ever read https://www.debian.org/social_contract? |
| 17:27.47 | babilen | I have |
| 17:27.53 | babilen | What about it? |
| 17:27.55 | johnr_ | babilen: one of the rules seems particularly applicable. |
| 17:28.08 | babilen | Could you be more specific? |
| 17:28.16 | babilen | (in everything you say) |
| 17:28.20 | johnr_ | babilen: #3 |
| 17:28.21 | johnr_ | babilen: #4 |
| 17:28.48 | babilen | What about it? What do you want to happen? |
| 17:29.20 | babilen | What is it that you want #debian (or the Debian project if such a thing exist as a single entity) to actually do? |
| 17:29.21 | johnr_ | babilen: as a user, I would like to see the very notion of xfg-open to be removed from the system and replaced by a mime type system by default. |
| 17:29.22 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:fcae:448c:c742:1c3e) |
| 17:29.29 | babilen | What is that you want to achieve by talking in here? |
| 17:29.30 | greycat | Then stop using xdg-open. |
| 17:29.50 | babilen | Nobody forces you to use that program .. move on, use something else |
| 17:30.11 | *** join/#debian Gr33nW0lf (~Gr33nW0lf@189.40.68.182) |
| 17:30.25 | johnr_ | OK, new question: which program actually has a semantics in this area? "see"? |
| 17:30.51 | johnr_ | Which program is intended to be used and/or configured by users? |
| 17:31.27 | *** join/#debian hele (~hele@a91-156-176-132.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 17:31.34 | johnr_ | I just want to read a manpage and based on that configure the system to open files in some kind of sane fashion. I don't particularly care about the death trap xdg-open. |
| 17:31.48 | babilen | Why don't you just use the programs you want to use directly? You should be perfectly capable of deciding for yourself what you want to use to open certain file types. |
| 17:31.52 | johnr_ | Preferabyl in a system wide fashion. |
| 17:32.00 | johnr_ | Preferably* |
| 17:32.12 | greycat | I don't even know what you mean by "open files". Are you double-clicking them in some kind of GUI file manager application? If so, then that GUI file manager app is where you would configure stuff. |
| 17:32.19 | johnr_ | babilen: because there exists such a thing as a mail client. |
| 17:32.24 | jelly | johnr_: maybe there isn't one at all. Maybe having per-user preferred mime apps is a work in progress. |
| 17:32.25 | johnr_ | babilen: with random attachments. |
| 17:32.44 | babilen | What is the *actual* problem you want to fix? Be as specific as you can be! |
| 17:32.44 | johnr_ | I could write my own program which does this. |
| 17:32.53 | babilen | Please do |
| 17:32.57 | greycat | When people mail me an attachment, 99% of the time I delete it, because it's spam. In the other cases, I save it to a file, USE MY HUMAN BRAIN to figure out what to do with this file, and run some appropriate command. |
| 17:33.10 | babilen | indeed |
| 17:33.21 | johnr_ | babilen: a user gets random attachments; think ".doc files which are actually PDF files". |
| 17:33.37 | johnr_ | babilen: the user wants to push on "open file" and not care about what file it "really" is. |
| 17:33.37 | greycat | Delete it. It's rubbish. |
| 17:34.01 | babilen | That's not a specific problem. Which mail client? Which file? Which program do you want "the mail client" to use? Which program has been used instead? |
| 17:34.03 | greycat | That user is a spam target. You as the sysadmin are going to end up scrubbing their workstation and possibly the rest of the network. |
| 17:34.14 | *** join/#debian cyphaw (~elcye@vai69-1-82-67-47-41.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 17:34.15 | johnr_ | greycat: the files are desirable. |
| 17:34.24 | greycat | Then why are they MISNAMED? |
| 17:34.33 | johnr_ | greycat: because idiots send them |
| 17:34.41 | greycat | What kind of idiotic hypothetical scenario are you constructing? |
| 17:34.44 | johnr_ | greycat: do you have a cure against stupidity? |
| 17:34.50 | johnr_ | greycat: it's called the real world. |
| 17:35.08 | johnr_ | babilen: thunderbird |
| 17:35.11 | johnr_ | babilen: or icedove |
| 17:35.19 | greycat | I don't see how an unintelligent software program can be expected to work around "This is a file that is named x.doc but is really a PDF." |
| 17:35.20 | babilen | johnr_: There really is no point in talking about this in general. xdg-open is a best effort program that'll get some things right and makes mistakes .. if there are actual problems then be specific about them so that they can be addressed. |
| 17:35.26 | johnr_ | babilen: which has its own mechanisms for this binding problem. |
| 17:35.32 | *** join/#debian stoffepojken (~stoffepoj@h-148-185.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 17:35.33 | johnr_ | babilen: which also don't work. |
| 17:35.51 | jelly | greycat: worse, you don't want it to work around that automatically as it's a whole new attack surface. |
| 17:35.55 | johnr_ | There are tons of programs which do something like xdg-open, but they are all broken. |
| 17:36.05 | greycat | Your users are broken. Fix them. |
| 17:36.11 | *** join/#debian beardface (~bearface@unaffiliated/bearface) |
| 17:36.19 | babilen | johnr_: Seriously, what are you trying to achieve by talking about this in here? |
| 17:36.24 | jelly | see the recent imagemagick security fixes and the published workarounds. |
| 17:36.40 | cyphaw | Hello |
| 17:36.42 | Iridos | <johnr_> greycat: do you have a cure against stupidity? <--- you are just proposing software as a cure to stupidity... but it isn't... education may be |
| 17:36.45 | cyphaw | I just installed debian with mate, but I con't find a way to configure the contents of the menu bar (on mint and ubuntu mate, I just right click it and there is "edit menus"). anyone knows how it's done there? |
| 17:36.46 | johnr_ | greycat: mimetypes alone would already fix it. |
| 17:37.10 | johnr_ | mime-open might work. |
| 17:37.12 | greycat | No they wouldn't. MIME types go by the file extension, not by mind-reading the sender or by byte analysis of the content. |
| 17:37.30 | johnr_ | greycat: ok, well, I want byte analysis tooling. |
| 17:37.36 | greycat | Then write that yourself. |
| 17:37.38 | greycat | It does not exist. |
| 17:37.44 | jelly | johnr_: no you don't, it's a security risk |
| 17:37.49 | greycat | Hint: Microsoft Internet Explorer tried that. |
| 17:37.52 | babilen | johnr_: What do you want #debian to do? What would you like to achieve in the next hour of discussion? |
| 17:38.12 | johnr_ | babilen: well, it seems that we have a solution to the problem. |
| 17:38.15 | *** part/#debian leba2 (bb86ab32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.134.171.50) |
| 17:38.17 | greycat | You want to be as secure as Microsoft Internet Explorer. |
| 17:38.19 | johnr_ | babilen: the solution is that it doesn't exist yet. |
| 17:38.21 | *** join/#debian NinjaPanda (~OS-21795@64-94-61-53.ip.weststar.net.ky) |
| 17:38.29 | johnr_ | babilen: which you could also have read. |
| 17:38.47 | johnr_ | jelly: and why is it a security risk? Do you think I cannot write a secure program? |
| 17:38.57 | babilen | johnr_: So, what do you want us to do? What do you intend to achieve? What do you want to work on? |
| 17:39.01 | jelly | johnr_: yes. |
| 17:39.03 | johnr_ | jelly: I won't write it in C, no worries. |
| 17:39.03 | *** part/#debian zapashcanon (~zapashcan@unaffiliated/zapashcanon) |
| 17:40.07 | *** join/#debian feal (~fiel@dslb-088-068-062-016.088.068.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 17:40.07 | johnr_ | babilen: well, it would have been nice if you would now work 24/7 to add such a future, but the chance of that happening is zero. So, I think we are done regarding this subject. |
| 17:40.10 | jelly | johnr_: to be more precise, I don't think anyone in particular can or needs to write another file(1), and that it should not be invoked on untrusted input. |
| 17:40.37 | *** join/#debian winsen (~winsen@unaffiliated/winsen) |
| 17:40.40 | johnr_ | jelly: ok, so you are saying that "file" was also written by <word you don't want me to use>s? |
| 17:40.44 | johnr_ | Great |
| 17:41.00 | babilen | johnr_: Do you really expect the 1653 people in this channel to now devote their life on fixing something you haven't even specified exactly? |
| 17:41.10 | jelly | johnr_: there have been repeated issues with similar tools, including file itself, various elf parsing utils, imagemagick is the latest example |
| 17:41.19 | johnr_ | babilen: apparenty a rewrite of file would be appropriate. |
| 17:41.31 | johnr_ | babilen: seems fairly well specified. |
| 17:41.39 | babilen | How does the current discussion help in achieving that goal? |
| 17:41.41 | jelly | johnr_: you don't want to read bits and guess how to interpret an untrusted file. |
| 17:41.43 | johnr_ | jelly: by this logic I can never ever call file again. |
| 17:41.57 | babilen | Well .. I'm done, there is nothing to work on |
| 17:42.08 | jelly | !next |
| 17:42.08 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 17:42.12 | johnr_ | jelly: or should I just run file as a different user? |
| 17:42.14 | greycat | file(1) does not execute haphazrdly chosen programs. It just prints HUMAN READABLE words trying to describe its GUESS about the content. |
| 17:42.16 | *** join/#debian crayon (~user@unaffiliated/button) |
| 17:42.20 | greycat | It is up to a human to make a decision. |
| 17:42.21 | babilen | (haven't even seen the alleged bug report that was closed) |
| 17:42.29 | johnr_ | greycat: that's not what jelly suggested |
| 17:42.44 | *** join/#debian Gr33nW0lf (~Gr33nW0lf@189.40.68.182) |
| 17:42.55 | johnr_ | greycat: jelly suggested that running file on all possible bit strings would result in probably a kernel exploit. |
| 17:43.02 | jelly | johnr_: nope |
| 17:43.03 | *** join/#debian afx_ (~afx_@ppp-94-66-173-153.home.otenet.gr) |
| 17:43.10 | *** join/#debian Gr33nW0lf (~Gr33nW0lf@189.40.68.182) |
| 17:43.11 | johnr_ | jelly: ok, then what did you mean? |
| 17:43.25 | jelly | johnr_: you don't want to read bits and guess how to interpret an untrusted file. |
| 17:43.38 | johnr_ | jelly: you said "and that it should not be invoked on untrusted input" |
| 17:43.43 | *** join/#debian cypherman (~santiago@179.26.126.195) |
| 17:43.46 | jelly | same thing. |
| 17:43.48 | johnr_ | jelly: how else do you want to explain that? |
| 17:43.54 | *** join/#debian Gogo123 (~OS-22735@106.0.57.35) |
| 17:44.08 | jelly | no mention of "kernel" |
| 17:44.21 | *** join/#debian sonne (~vmlinuz@unaffiliated/sonne) |
| 17:44.24 | sonne | greetings! |
| 17:44.34 | sonne | does debian have by default anything similar to ubuntu's apparmor? |
| 17:44.35 | johnr_ | jelly: no, but there are tons of local privilege escapes. |
| 17:44.42 | Iridos | as I am just reading backlog... how did you call xdg-open that it opened a browser multiple times for a file name with spaces? |
| 17:45.04 | johnr_ | Iridos: xdg-open a\ file\ here.pdf |
| 17:45.19 | *** part/#debian Serialbox (~serialbox@unaffiliated/serialbox) |
| 17:45.53 | Iridos | seems to work fine here |
| 17:45.55 | Gogo123 | !gamma |
| 17:45.55 | dpkg | [gamma] the third letter of the greek alphabet or a high energy/low wavelength (since they're the same thing, ask me about Planck's law) photon |
| 17:46.09 | Iridos | it chooses chromium |
| 17:46.27 | johnr_ | Iridos: obviously, it doesn't work in all cases. |
| 17:46.31 | greycat | Iridos: apparently you also have to do it on a text console with DISPLAY unset |
| 17:46.36 | johnr_ | Iridos: you are probably running it in a DE. |
| 17:46.44 | greycat | Iridos: good luck getting him to give you an actionable bug report |
| 17:46.46 | jelly | where it's meant to be run |
| 17:47.01 | *** join/#debian lukaso666 (~lukaso666@a01-nat.satkol.pl) |
| 17:47.06 | johnr_ | jelly: then there should be a check for that and it should call exit 1. |
| 17:47.07 | Gogo123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.10 | *** join/#debian samae (~Samae@unaffiliated/samae) |
| 17:47.14 | johnr_ | jelly: untrusted input, remember? |
| 17:47.14 | jelly | > xdg-open is for use inside a desktop session only. |
| 17:47.22 | johnr_ | jelly: then, why is it on my PATH? |
| 17:47.48 | jelly | johnr_: why are you using it in a way that's specifically NOT supported at all? |
| 17:47.51 | Gogo123 | Can someone help me on Gamma Priv escalation ? |
| 17:47.54 | jelly | and expecting it to work? |
| 17:47.55 | Iridos | also works fine on the console I get with ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 17:48.03 | jelly | johnr_: dd is also in your path. |
| 17:48.41 | johnr_ | jelly: my opinion is that programs should know the environment for which they have defined behaviour. |
| 17:48.51 | johnr_ | jelly: your opinion is that they should not. |
| 17:48.55 | *** join/#debian fernie (~jarkko@85-76-0-32-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 17:48.56 | *** join/#debian philipballew (~philip@ubuntu/member/philipballew) |
| 17:49.01 | johnr_ | jelly: another point of disagreement. |
| 17:49.09 | jelly | johnr_: I don't care about opinions in here, /j #debian-offtopic for that |
| 17:49.15 | johnr_ | jelly: my opinion is the opinion of an engineer; yours, I have no idea. |
| 17:49.32 | *** join/#debian beardface (~bearface@unaffiliated/bearface) |
| 17:49.38 | jelly | johnr_: I care about fixing issues or filing a report. |
| 17:50.05 | johnr_ | jelly: it's all about opinions, if you look at the above exchange of ideas. |
| 17:50.07 | jelly | you don't seem to want to do either |
| 17:50.24 | Iridos | johnr_, but it works for me on a console |
| 17:50.26 | greycat | johnr_: decide whether you think the man page is wrong, or whether xdg-open's behavior is wrong, and file a bug report accordingly |
| 17:50.28 | johnr_ | jelly: but it's clear that we don't agree for me, and like I wanted to do before, let's end it. |
| 17:50.36 | jelly | Gogo123: I think you're in the wrong place |
| 17:50.39 | *** join/#debian juan1 (~juantelez@unaffiliated/juantelez) |
| 17:50.47 | johnr_ | greycat: I think the manpage is the real mistake. |
| 17:51.15 | johnr_ | greycat: would anyone care about that or would it just be closes saying "we have a different opinion. Bye troll."? |
| 17:51.18 | jelly | Gogo123: this channel is for users of Debian needing tech support |
| 17:51.18 | johnr_ | closed* |
| 17:51.31 | Iridos | I bet you did something stupid and now blame it on xdg-open |
| 17:51.47 | greycat | johnr_: only one way to find out |
| 17:52.32 | Iridos | I would have called it "unusual" instead of "stupid", but I don't see a real point in granting you the politeness you don't grant others |
| 17:52.52 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:fcae:448c:c742:1c3e) |
| 17:53.02 | jelly | Iridos: tbh he didn't call anyone present retarded or stupid |
| 17:53.26 | jelly | just the absent maintainers, devs and their product |
| 17:53.29 | johnr_ | Iridos: if you give me 5000,- USD when I am right, do you still have a big mouth? |
| 17:53.29 | *** join/#debian NinjaPanda (~OS-21795@64-94-61-53.ip.weststar.net.ky) |
| 17:53.29 | Iridos | sorry. didn't know it was supposed to be better if the person wasn't present |
| 17:53.49 | johnr_ | Iridos: I will get you a beautiful error report for that. |
| 17:54.12 | johnr_ | Iridos: otherwise, refrain from doubting me in the future, thanks. |
| 17:54.15 | *** part/#debian cyphaw (~elcye@vai69-1-82-67-47-41.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 17:54.29 | Iridos | johnr_, it's hardly possible to have a bigger mouth than you did in the last hour or so... but that is pretty off-topic, so maybe we drop it |
| 17:54.59 | *** join/#debian faw (~Felipe@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 17:55.01 | Iridos | I didn't doubt you, I said I bet if we ever get to the reason it'll be you |
| 17:55.08 | unborn | Iridos: i've aint been polite always to people and I was very very wrong.. no matter how they talk to you.. being always polite from my side should be always on. That is difference between 'them' and you...I did learned my lesson on this. |
| 17:55.19 | *** join/#debian Eduard_Munteanu (~Eduard_Mu@5-12-80-37.residential.rdsnet.ro) |
| 17:55.20 | johnr_ | Iridos: that's the same. |
| 17:55.24 | *** join/#debian Humanoid (~anonymous@unaffiliated/humanoid) |
| 17:55.45 | johnr_ | Iridos: and the same holds for other users. It looks rather <not so intelligent> to make claims about subjects you haven't spent time on as recent as the person asking the question. |
| 17:56.02 | *** join/#debian Satchmo (~louis@cpc2-wiga13-2-0-cust475.18-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 17:56.07 | johnr_ | Anyway, thank you #debian for telling me that the answer to my question is "do it yourself". |
| 17:56.08 | Iridos | no. but that's moot because you're not really interested in error analysis, but in bitching |
| 17:56.11 | johnr_ | Closure is good. |
| 17:56.34 | Humanoid | "dpkg-query -W -f '- ${Origin} - ${Package}\n'" only shows blanks for the origin. I'm trying to find all the remaining packages that came from deb-multimedia.org. |
| 17:56.41 | Iridos | don't you dare doubt me⦠what you said is broken worked here as far as you were able to describe it |
| 17:57.00 | Humanoid | I already removed all the packages that show up in "dpkg-query -l | grep dmo", I'm looking for other ways to find remaining packages that came from deb-multimedia. |
| 17:57.07 | johnr_ | Iridos: obviously your configuration is different, because I said it ran "lynx". |
| 17:57.16 | johnr_ | Iridos: so, your debugging skills are worth negative money. |
| 17:57.30 | Iridos | speak for yourself... oh, you did |
| 17:57.30 | johnr_ | Iridos: really, why would you ever say "for me it is running chromium"? |
| 17:57.31 | greycat | johnr_: You must include enough information in your bug report for someone else to reproduce the behavior. |
| 17:57.50 | johnr_ | greycat: which is why I made the offer to Iridos. |
| 17:57.51 | Iridos | it obviously wasn't running chromium when I ran it from the console |
| 17:57.57 | Iridos | your reading comprehension is lacking |
| 17:58.06 | abrotman | Ugh, why doesn't bash understand %HOME% ?! |
| 17:58.11 | johnr_ | Iridos: so, what did it run? |
| 17:58.16 | *** join/#debian babak (uid19622@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jtrqimurpxesnqpr) |
| 17:58.22 | jelly | abrotman: itym %USERDIR% |
| 17:58.31 | abrotman | I'm old :( |
| 17:58.32 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:58.46 | jelly | !be an analogy barbie |
| 17:58.47 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 17:58.54 | *** join/#debian Colti (Miramar-FL@unaffiliated/miramar-fl) |
| 17:59.15 | johnr_ | Iridos: anyway, I am going to assume that you don't take the offer? |
| 17:59.23 | *** join/#debian cliluw (~cliluw@unaffiliated/cliluw) |
| 17:59.30 | johnr_ | Iridos: I don't need your help. |
| 17:59.33 | abrotman | jelly: according to what I'm lookking at, we were both wrong :) |
| 17:59.39 | *** join/#debian n4rwoo (5eda2cf3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.218.44.243) |
| 17:59.51 | johnr_ | Thanks mostly to greycat. |
| 17:59.53 | johnr_ | Bye |
| 18:00.12 | *** part/#debian johnr_ (503d08f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.61.8.240) |
| 18:00.52 | *** join/#debian kernel-panic (~kp@unaffiliated/kernel-panic) |
| 18:01.47 | *** join/#debian ki0 (~ki0@40.red-2-137-175.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:01.52 | Iridos | nobody needed your bitching? |
| 18:02.03 | Iridos | seems it ran www-browser which was links |
| 18:02.05 | jelly | they're gone |
| 18:02.09 | *** join/#debian fengling (~fengling@58.135.95.136) |
| 18:02.25 | n4rwoo | Hey guys, do you see any problem reinstalling openbox from the source if I already have openbox up running? Id like to make small changes to it but they are hardcoded ones.. |
| 18:02.29 | *** join/#debian _7r4c3r (~7r4c3r@78.188.187.70) |
| 18:02.34 | Iridos | seems I just wasted some minutes figuring what it actually ran |
| 18:03.10 | *** join/#debian jasonwc (~Jason@pool-173-73-32-116.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 18:04.24 | *** join/#debian fossrox (~fossrox@unaffiliated/fossrox) |
| 18:04.29 | jelly | !package rebuild |
| 18:04.29 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
| 18:04.38 | jelly | n4rwoo: you may want to try ^^ |
| 18:04.57 | *** join/#debian IdleGandalf (~IdleGanda@harting.hosting) |
| 18:06.16 | n4rwoo | jelly: I guess.. ^^ |
| 18:07.21 | n4rwoo | just to make sure is there any difference between installing via apt-get or by make-install? |
| 18:07.51 | jelly | yes, there is almost always some difference |
| 18:08.07 | *** join/#debian mo1991reg (~mo1991@c-71-194-85-32.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 18:08.09 | *** join/#debian bn` (~Patrice@ip5f59322e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 18:08.18 | *** join/#debian Zhao (~Xinny@140.126.151.122.sta.dodo.net.au) |
| 18:08.18 | *** join/#debian Zhao (~Xinny@unaffiliated/xin) |
| 18:08.51 | *** join/#debian duoi (~duoi@unaffiliated/duoi) |
| 18:09.43 | *** join/#debian _7r4c3r (~7r4c3r@5.175.208.113) |
| 18:10.42 | *** join/#debian bluenemo (~bluenemo@unaffiliated/bluenemo) |
| 18:12.25 | Iridos | n4rwoo, you have to increase version number in the changelog if you use those instructions |
| 18:13.44 | *** join/#debian socomm (~socomm@96-40-156-20.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) |
| 18:13.58 | *** join/#debian alex1a (~alex1a@bl19-111-218.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 18:14.18 | *** join/#debian Robby (robby@chillum.thcgirls.com) |
| 18:14.41 | *** join/#debian ec0 (~ec0@2001:44b8:3186:5100:5f5b:d282:72b9:9a42) |
| 18:17.24 | *** join/#debian LtL (~irssi@unaffiliated/ltl) |
| 18:17.46 | *** join/#debian chomwitt (~chomwitt@ppp-94-66-62-12.home.otenet.gr) |
| 18:18.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1679] by debhelper |
| 18:19.46 | *** join/#debian Anwarias (~quassel@xdsl-89-0-41-108.netcologne.de) |
| 18:20.01 | *** join/#debian cenysor (~cenysor@p5B0AC060.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:20.48 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:8863:6c88:2240:c8ef) |
| 18:22.28 | *** join/#debian overlord_tm (~andraz@213.172.234.141) |
| 18:23.16 | *** join/#debian overlord_tm (~andraz@213.172.234.141) |
| 18:24.07 | *** join/#debian kpease (~kpease@72.22.182.166) |
| 18:26.37 | *** join/#debian sparky4 (~sparky4@hutcheson-101.resnet.latech.edu) |
| 18:26.53 | sparky4 | damn |
| 18:27.03 | sparky4 | deleting xorg.conf fixes the xserver |
| 18:27.12 | sparky4 | device is not found i did do this |
| 18:27.26 | sparky4 | sudo aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 18:27.36 | sparky4 | i used nvidia-xconfig |
| 18:30.03 | *** join/#debian nathanleclaire (~nathanlec@c-73-189-234-64.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 18:31.16 | *** join/#debian dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 18:31.25 | abrotman | fixes is a bad thing? |
| 18:31.41 | *** join/#debian kpease (~kpease@72.22.182.166) |
| 18:32.17 | *** join/#debian sl4v3_ (~casey.bil@216.13.193.90) |
| 18:32.39 | babilen | sparky4: nvidia-xconfig is neither needed nor have I seen many happy users of it |
| 18:32.47 | jelly | wonders whether someone screwed up the wiki page again |
| 18:32.56 | sparky4 | babilen: i noiced ^^; |
| 18:33.06 | babilen | jelly: It always happens |
| 18:33.14 | jelly | IT KEEPS HAPPENING |
| 18:33.15 | sparky4 | i should copy my xorg config from compy 4 and edit it |
| 18:33.22 | sparky4 | compy4 uses a nvidia card too |
| 18:33.32 | sparky4 | i told you dawg |
| 18:33.33 | babilen | Why do you need a xorg.conf at all? |
| 18:33.59 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (~sphenxes@178-191-174-176.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 18:34.03 | jelly | sparky4: a small /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ snippet to set the driver ought to do it |
| 18:34.09 | abrotman | compy4? |
| 18:34.23 | sparky4 | yeah my main pc uses a geforce 6200 fx |
| 18:34.26 | sparky4 | ww |
| 18:34.36 | sparky4 | jelly: yes |
| 18:34.44 | *** join/#debian marcozink (~marcozink@189-210-223-26.static.axtel.net) |
| 18:35.20 | babilen | sparky4: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Manual |
| 18:35.30 | jelly | that older one probably works with nouveau in jessie. a GT730 won't work well with nouveau in jessie, but the one in stretch makes my GT720 reasonably stable (I don't have to nvidia driver) |
| 18:35.44 | babilen | jelly: I guess we want to switch "automatic" with "manual" in there .. it sort of sounds as if the former is better |
| 18:35.51 | *** join/#debian kernel-panic (~kp@5.29.72.204) |
| 18:35.51 | *** join/#debian kernel-panic (~kp@unaffiliated/kernel-panic) |
| 18:36.03 | *** join/#debian fealscience (~fiel@2001:638:208:fd4e::1053) |
| 18:36.04 | *** join/#debian jaggz (~jaggz@unaffiliated/jaggz) |
| 18:36.21 | jelly | I usually just give people the oneliner and try to ignore the wiki page |
| 18:36.27 | jaggz | what's the nvidia support channel ? |
| 18:36.37 | *** join/#debian kpease (~kpease@72.22.182.166) |
| 18:36.52 | jaggz | jessie bpo only has nvidia-cuda-toolkit 6.5, but I need at least 7 for recent blender builds |
| 18:36.56 | jelly | there... isn't one? |
| 18:37.19 | jaggz | testing/unstable have the versions I need |
| 18:37.53 | jaggz | maybe I should just go to testing |
| 18:37.59 | sparky4 | device 0? |
| 18:37.59 | jelly | I'm not sure how much pain backporting cuda would be |
| 18:38.02 | sparky4 | or device 1? |
| 18:38.03 | *** join/#debian tyler-baker (tyler-bake@linaro/tyler-baker) |
| 18:38.17 | jaggz | nvidia provides ubuntu packages.. but not debian.. |
| 18:39.23 | jelly | sparky4: where do you see device 0 and 1? |
| 18:39.53 | jaggz | jelly, am I about to mess up my system by switching to testing (from stable)? *shiver* |
| 18:40.04 | jelly | probably :-) |
| 18:40.11 | babilen | dpkg: tum |
| 18:40.11 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 18:40.14 | babilen | jaggz: ^ |
| 18:40.15 | sparky4 | jelly on compy4 the device section has Device0 selected |
| 18:40.20 | sparky4 | in xorg.conf |
| 18:40.39 | jelly | sparky4: ignore all that, just do what the wiki page says |
| 18:40.45 | babilen | sparky4: You just need the oneliner in https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Manual to switch to the nvidia driver |
| 18:40.49 | *** join/#debian chomwitt (~chomwitt@ppp-94-67-220-205.home.otenet.gr) |
| 18:40.51 | jaggz | babilen, thanks.. do I ignore all the jessie lines I have -- just do the stable lines? |
| 18:41.14 | sparky4 | ok i will add echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 18:41.14 | jaggz | oh I don't have any stable lines.. they're all jessie |
| 18:41.17 | babilen | jaggz: You would be left with testing and unstable entries |
| 18:41.43 | jelly | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 18:41.43 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 18:41.46 | *** join/#debian renka (~renka@unaffiliated/renka) |
| 18:41.46 | jelly | first, I guess |
| 18:41.59 | sparky4 | file made and it contains that stuff |
| 18:42.02 | sparky4 | now what do i do? |
| 18:42.09 | jelly | restart X (or gdm r |
| 18:42.14 | sparky4 | ok |
| 18:42.17 | jelly | or kdm or whatever *dm you have) |
| 18:42.19 | *** join/#debian kpease (~kpease@72.22.182.166) |
| 18:42.30 | jelly | or reboot |
| 18:42.32 | sparky4 | i am going to wait for watcom to finish |
| 18:42.49 | jelly | poor watcom, what is it doing |
| 18:42.57 | *** join/#debian Apocx_ (~quassel@65.246.43.225) |
| 18:43.07 | jaggz | ugh.. "you WILL have a bumpy ride" |
| 18:43.11 | sparky4 | compiling |
| 18:43.16 | sparky4 | compiling a compiler w |
| 18:44.23 | jaggz | jelly, wish I had the means to do it in a little image mirror of my system :) |
| 18:45.23 | greycat | jaggz: you can set up a chroot, do a debootstrap inside it, use dpkg --get-selection and --set-selection to pull in all the pacakges from the "outer" system, and then do the upgrade in the chroot |
| 18:45.34 | greycat | It won't test booting, but it'll test most everything else. |
| 18:45.37 | jelly | jaggz: I guess you can set up a chroot with stretch instead, but making nvidia userspace bits is going to be interesting |
| 18:46.13 | jaggz | how will --get-selection access the outside-of-chroot information? debootstrap gets the needed files? |
| 18:46.38 | jaggz | okay.. don't worry about this.. I'll use CPU computing for my blender work for now :) |
| 18:46.40 | *** join/#debian iio7 (~iio7@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/iio7) |
| 18:46.44 | jaggz | instead of gpu |
| 18:46.45 | iio7 | I am trying to make a group for iptables that cannot access the Internet following this http://askubuntu.com/a/423105, however I STILL gets asked the stupid sudo password when trying to issue the "sudo -g no-internet" command, and I get "Sorry, user foo is not allowed to execute '/bin/ping google.com' as foo:no-internet on bar |
| 18:46.55 | iio7 | I have this in my sudoers "%sudo ALL=(:no-internet) NOPASSWD: ALL" |
| 18:47.02 | *** join/#debian ploc (c1213887@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.33.56.135) |
| 18:47.24 | iio7 | What am I missing? |
| 18:47.28 | *** join/#debian kpease (~kpease@72.22.182.166) |
| 18:47.30 | jaggz | iio7, ping is internet? |
| 18:47.49 | jaggz | maybe don't use -g no-internet? (i've never used such a thing.. first time seeing it) |
| 18:47.58 | ploc | hi, does anyone know if backports are updated from testing ? I'm looking for ansible 2.1.1: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ansible&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
| 18:48.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1671] by debhelper |
| 18:48.11 | iio7 | jaggz, I thing you're missing the point. |
| 18:48.18 | iio7 | thing -> think |
| 18:48.33 | *** join/#debian LotharKAtt (~lelouch@194.61.48.251) |
| 18:48.43 | jaggz | most likely |
| 18:48.59 | jaggz | oh I see |
| 18:49.03 | mo1991reg | I have a intel hd 4600 graphics card running debian jessie. All seems fine on the debian end, but when I use vmware with a win7 guest, I get a no 3dfx error when vmware starts, and when win7 guest is idle i still get the vmware-vmx process taking 20 % cpu usage. Any thoughts? Is my hd4600 driver too old? |
| 18:49.36 | iio7 | It's the sudo part that isn't allowing me to run the command. |
| 18:49.42 | jelly | iio7: does "sudo -u foo -g no-internet" work? |
| 18:50.12 | jelly | are you a member of sudo group? :-) |
| 18:50.13 | iio7 | jelly, no same problem. |
| 18:50.17 | iio7 | jes |
| 18:50.19 | iio7 | yes |
| 18:50.38 | jelly | did you log off and back on after adding yourself to the sudo group, if you added that recently? |
| 18:51.00 | iio7 | jelly, no I just started a new console on my desktop. |
| 18:51.18 | jelly | that won't work, you need to log on again |
| 18:51.22 | `Kevin | iio7: is no-internet defined as a group in sudoers? if not thats the issue |
| 18:51.35 | iio7 | jelly, thank you very much, you saved my day! |
| 18:51.56 | iio7 | It's working perfectly now! |
| 18:52.05 | jelly | (additional groups are only added at login time) |
| 18:53.08 | *** join/#debian radw62 (ba1d6977@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.29.105.119) |
| 18:56.12 | *** join/#debian tkla (~tklassen@p5B3EE3DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:56.21 | *** join/#debian SCHAAP137 (~dorian@unaffiliated/schaap137) |
| 18:56.28 | *** join/#debian supersoju (~ajones@c-73-69-169-212.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) |
| 18:56.53 | *** join/#debian stooj (~stooj@181.198.151.122.dynamic.dsl.dv.iprimus.net.au) |
| 18:57.53 | *** join/#debian joobus (~Kira@97.75.125.226) |
| 18:57.59 | *** join/#debian PseudoNoob (~PseudoNoo@unaffiliated/pseudonoob) |
| 18:58.23 | ploc | hi, does anyone know if backports are updated from testing ? I'm looking for ansible 2.1.1: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ansible&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
| 18:59.02 | *** join/#debian rj1 (~rj1@unaffiliated/rj1) |
| 19:00.05 | missmbob | ,v checkbackport |
| 19:00.06 | judd | No package named 'checkbackport' was found in amd64. |
| 19:00.14 | *** join/#debian crayon (~user@unaffiliated/button) |
| 19:00.21 | missmbob | ,checkbackport ansible |
| 19:00.22 | judd | Backporting package ansible in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 19:00.31 | missmbob | !tell ploc about ssb |
| 19:01.00 | Brigo | ploc, yes, they are |
| 19:01.00 | Brigo | they are ports from testing to stable |
| 19:01.32 | Brigo | ,v ansible |
| 19:01.33 | judd | Package: ansible on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.7.2+dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 2.1.0.0-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2.1.1.0-1; stretch: 2.1.1.0-1 |
| 19:02.38 | *** join/#debian nathanleclaire (~nathanlec@50.233.46.99) |
| 19:02.47 | *** join/#debian Rajsun (~TheRaj@42.61.235.93) |
| 19:02.55 | *** join/#debian Rajasun (~TheRaj@42.61.235.93) |
| 19:03.20 | ploc | will ansible 2.1.1 be backported to jessie-backports ? |
| 19:03.32 | *** join/#debian ompaul (~ompaul@unaffiliated/ompaul) |
| 19:03.45 | *** join/#debian fengling (~fengling@58.135.95.136) |
| 19:03.51 | *** join/#debian CompWizrd (compwiz@dhcp-108-170-188-212.cable.user.start.ca) |
| 19:03.55 | Brigo | ploc, i think so, just ask the maintainer or check the package web page |
| 19:04.40 | Brigo | ploc, https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ansible |
| 19:05.36 | ploc | thanks Brigo |
| 19:05.42 | ploc | and bpo means backports ? |
| 19:05.44 | *** join/#debian juantelez (~juantelez@unaffiliated/juantelez) |
| 19:05.48 | Brigo | ploc, np :) |
| 19:05.55 | *** join/#debian DammitJim (~DammitJim@173.227.148.6) |
| 19:05.56 | Brigo | ploc, i would guess so :) |
| 19:06.05 | greycat | originally "backports.org" I believe |
| 19:06.13 | Brigo | bpo8 backport debian 8 |
| 19:06.21 | *** join/#debian xyzzymaze (~xyzzy@12.247.218.250) |
| 19:06.30 | Brigo | https://backports.debian.org/ |
| 19:06.47 | greycat | www.backports.org currently redirects to https://backports.debian.org/ |
| 19:06.51 | *** join/#debian gamelaster (542f22df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.47.34.223) |
| 19:07.35 | *** join/#debian eikenberry (~jae@lyta.zhar.net) |
| 19:07.53 | *** join/#debian hualet (~hualet@113.57.50.16) |
| 19:08.58 | *** join/#debian therealmccoy1974 (~brianlmcc@167.88.223.8) |
| 19:09.22 | gamelaster | Hello, is exists a file what doesnt exists, but if I create it, it will be auto executed after start up? thanks |
| 19:09.46 | *** join/#debian njumdl2014 (~njumdl201@client-130-203-90-126.mobility.psu.edu) |
| 19:10.12 | greycat | Is this a riddle? |
| 19:10.24 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:8863:6c88:2240:c8ef) |
| 19:10.25 | *** join/#debian bongazi (~bongozi@105.137.169.71) |
| 19:10.31 | greycat | gamelaster: What are you trying to do? |
| 19:11.02 | *** join/#debian grimsley (~grimsley@2602:306:319e:c390:c00:e2c9:98c5:da5c) |
| 19:12.07 | gamelaster | greycat: well, its little complicated. I forgotten password to my Debian server and only access I have is symbolic link to root via Network File Share. I can write only non exists files, i cant read, rewrite or list files.. And this is only idea how to get back my access |
| 19:14.15 | *** join/#debian bongaz (~bongozi@105.137.169.71) |
| 19:14.17 | *** join/#debian bjonnh (~Bjonnh@unaffiliated/bjonnh) |
| 19:14.19 | bjonnh | Hi |
| 19:14.23 | bongaz | Hello |
| 19:14.27 | bjonnh | Trying to get http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 19:14.29 | bjonnh | from US |
| 19:14.38 | bongaz | from UK |
| 19:14.41 | bjonnh | it keeps sending me to an ultra slow gensho.acc.umu.se server |
| 19:14.42 | greycat | Your restrictions make no sense. You've got the root file system of the I-forgot-passwd system NFS-mounted onto another system. On the other system, either root is mapped to nobody (default) or it is mapped to root (based on the no_root_squash setting on the original system). So either you have full root access to the file system, being able to MODIFY file, or you have read-only access to the root file |
| 19:14.48 | greycat | system, not able to create new files. |
| 19:15.02 | bjonnh | I tried to find the cd-images on the us ftp, but no luck |
| 19:15.09 | bjonnh | I can't bittorrent where I am |
| 19:15.18 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:de5:1d38:90cf:195a) |
| 19:15.42 | greycat | !netinst |
| 19:15.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 19:15.56 | bjonnh | yep a netinst⦠|
| 19:16.11 | bjonnh | I'll try with jigdo |
| 19:16.16 | bjonnh | I didn't see that page before |
| 19:16.32 | greycat | for god's sake, just use http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 19:17.00 | bjonnh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.12 | *** join/#debian Specialist (~tg@2001:4dd0:fe44:0:ae1f:e452:c3bc:a41b) |
| 19:17.28 | bjonnh | The cdimage.debian.org redirection brings me to an ultraslow server |
| 19:17.47 | gamelaster | greycat: I know, it's doesn't give a sense,but when I want to open symlink via \\192.168.1.12\music\root, it will say I have no access, but if I copy some file into a root symlink, it will copy (tested) but I cant edit it anymore |
| 19:18.02 | greycat | gamelaster: you are using SAMBA, not NFS. |
| 19:19.09 | gamelaster | when I do symlink on file, I get the size of file, but I cant copy it or something, access denied.. |
| 19:19.22 | *** join/#debian cyan__ (~cyan@217.170.162.68) |
| 19:19.55 | *** join/#debian rsync (~rsync@91.219.238.212) |
| 19:20.35 | *** join/#debian js9600 (~js9600@87-57-20-106-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net) |
| 19:20.48 | bjonnh | jigdo solved my problem |
| 19:21.07 | gamelaster | so, I dont get any idea how to bring access back, server have integrated ssd, so I cant manually connect + its contains a important data :/ |
| 19:21.14 | *** join/#debian TomasCZ (~TomasCZ@yes.tenlab.net) |
| 19:21.16 | *** part/#debian bongaz (~bongozi@105.137.169.71) |
| 19:22.44 | *** join/#debian Martiini (~Martiini@83-245-234-145-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 19:23.04 | *** join/#debian AngeFede (~f3d3@lez11-2-78-206-245-156.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:23.19 | *** join/#debian alxy (uid115853@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbaafxopqkgrndko) |
| 19:26.33 | *** join/#debian dka (~dka@master-bhs-01.kopaxgroup.com) |
| 19:27.50 | *** join/#debian N4N034 (~root@AMontpellier-654-1-225-221.w92-145.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:28.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1677] by debhelper |
| 19:28.29 | *** join/#debian Antimattercarp (~Carp@2601:49:c302:560:5c7d:55a6:1406:ed96) |
| 19:30.14 | AvatarA | where is this server? |
| 19:31.59 | *** join/#debian dasher00 (~dasher00@62.142.93.209.dyn.plus.net) |
| 19:34.08 | *** join/#debian format_c (~format_c@2001:4dd0:ff00:8421:9fd:dc3f:a877:cc30) |
| 19:35.18 | *** join/#debian Satyajit (Satyajit@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-docehtzdulgoybmu) |
| 19:35.19 | greycat | Today I Learn: jessie bind9 no longer uses the settings in /etc/default/bind9 even though the file is still on my computer. |
| 19:35.57 | *** join/#debian ChunkzZ (uid98304@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qstcejifxpkuimgn) |
| 19:36.04 | greycat | So I guess I'm ... supposed to ... override /lib/systemd/system/bind9.service directly with a custom file in /etc/systemd/system/ ... because yeah, that's so much simpler than editing one line in a shell config file |
| 19:36.35 | *** join/#debian ChunkzZ (uid98304@unaffiliated/chunkzz) |
| 19:36.35 | *** join/#debian ChunkzZ (uid98304@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qstcejifxpkuimgn) |
| 19:36.42 | jelly | greycat, only with .service but when init script is used it still reads the file? |
| 19:37.02 | greycat | When would I ever use the init script? |
| 19:37.15 | jelly | when sysvinit is your init |
| 19:39.00 | greycat | P.S. my goal here is to make apt-get update work. It is STILL not working. Same problem that started last week - it hangs on the downloads of files from security.debian.org, as well as a NEW symptom - sometimes it hangs on the downloads of files from ftp.us.debian.org |
| 19:39.20 | greycat | Found a bunch of ipv6 errors in the daemon.log on the resolver system, so I figured I would add -4 to the named options. |
| 19:39.34 | greycat | That... turned out to be challenging. |
| 19:40.18 | greycat | named is now running with -u bind -4, and the IPv6 errors are not occurring right at this moment, but I still can't get an apt-get to work. |
| 19:41.42 | *** join/#debian dmpeters63 (~dmpeters6@71.16.202.210) |
| 19:42.18 | babilen | http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/on-etc-sysinit.html â might have EnvironmentFile set |
| 19:42.23 | greycat | And I am guessing by the thunderous silence of this channel on the topic today as well as last week that It Is Just Me. :( (Also, my non-workplace hosts are not having this issue.) |
| 19:42.41 | RoyK | greycat: are you on ipv6 only? |
| 19:43.05 | greycat | No, the opposite. Nothing ipv6 works here. Nothing. I don't want any part of it. I am disabling it whenever I see errors related to it. |
| 19:43.11 | *** join/#debian SPF|Cloud (uid11755@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-afpzwdecedncjpgo) |
| 19:43.11 | *** join/#debian SPF|Cloud (uid11755@wikipedia/Southparkfan) |
| 19:43.21 | greycat | Maybe in 10 or 30 years IPv6 will come to this place. |
| 19:44.03 | greycat | Sample error: Aug 14 07:51:11 svr5 named[609]: error (network unreachable) resolving 'debian.org/DNSKEY/IN': 2001:67c:10b8::100#53 |
| 19:44.05 | RoyK | ipv4 should be given a shot in the neck |
| 19:44.16 | *** join/#debian brianlee (~brianlmcc@167.88.223.8) |
| 19:44.35 | *** join/#debian LotharKAtt (~lelouch@185.22.97.1) |
| 19:45.17 | Dagger | greycat: we're well past the point where "rage disable everything" is an appropriate response to spotting a v6 address in a log |
| 19:45.18 | format_c | greycat, and because guys like you intervene this way in the hope making things better, but making things worse. |
| 19:45.18 | Dagger | if you actually are having v6 problems, then fix them |
| 19:45.20 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 19:45.32 | *** join/#debian CyberGabber (~CyberGabb@29-187-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl) |
| 19:45.48 | tobiasBora | I have a very annoying bug on my computer : I'm trying to access to my android through MTP (no choice). |
| 19:45.57 | format_c | it's just a prove that you have not properly rolled out dual-stack connectivity, or your provider lacks it |
| 19:45.58 | Dagger | but it's quite possible you aren't, and you're only seeing v6 addresses because the v4 stuff is failing first (and it's trying the v6 second because, hey, why not) |
| 19:45.59 | greycat | format_c: I just want apt-get update (and etc.) to work. Can you help with that? If you can't, then getting rid of many hundreds of IPv6 errors in my daemon.log seemed like a reasonable action to take. |
| 19:46.23 | unborn | greycat: automatic updates works on my end - however I had to enable the cron to get them asap as they are out there.. gui have no problem to install them or notify me of them asap as cron is run and they are out there.. |
| 19:46.30 | tobiasBora | Everything works fine (I can read the folders contents) except for a huge folder : my photo folder. |
| 19:46.31 | unborn | - how can I help? :) |
| 19:46.35 | format_c | I'm living in a dual-stack world and apt-get even this IRC session works perfeclty fine. |
| 19:46.41 | format_c | I can try my best |
| 19:46.41 | Dagger | re: apt-get, try `wget <package url>` -- it gives better errors than apt-get does |
| 19:47.16 | *** join/#debian iiaann (~ian@cpc76508-clyd5-2-0-cust137.14-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 19:47.16 | tobiasBora | I have an error like "error libgmt : could not get object handle" when I access this folder with lot's of pictures in it... Any idea to solve it ? |
| 19:48.01 | *** join/#debian fealscience (~fiel@dslb-088-068-062-016.088.068.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 19:48.02 | greycat | Dagger: Do I download those into /var/lib/apt/lists/partial and then mv them to .. when they work? |
| 19:48.22 | *** join/#debian wonderworld (~ww@ip-176-198-123-154.hsi05.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 19:48.32 | *** join/#debian brianlee (~brianlmcc@167.88.223.8) |
| 19:48.43 | Dagger | I meant to just try wget and see if it gives you a useful error message that you can use to figure out what's going on |
| 19:50.16 | greycat | so... in /tmp then? |
| 19:50.51 | Dagger | or with -O/dev/null |
| 19:51.04 | unborn | tobiasBora: well then wait on ram to load your stuff on that phone.. |
| 19:51.11 | unborn | and its not bug |
| 19:51.14 | *** join/#debian _chaky_ (~chaky@unaffiliated/chaky) |
| 19:51.57 | greycat | Packages.bz2.1 99%[====================> ] 292.23K --.-KB/s eta 0s |
| 19:52.07 | *** part/#debian bjonnh (~Bjonnh@unaffiliated/bjonnh) |
| 19:52.16 | greycat | That's what I get with wget. Same symptom as apt-get. It just HANGS at the end. |
| 19:52.32 | *** join/#debian n0kt (~n0kt@181.46.158.157) |
| 19:53.54 | greycat | 2016-08-15 15:53:47 (2.43 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 299248. Retrying. |
| 19:55.11 | greycat | I guess the next thing to try is restarting the squid proxy... |
| 19:55.38 | *** join/#debian ShapeShifter499 (~ShapeShif@unaffiliated/shapeshifter499) |
| 19:55.41 | format_c | greycat, this is a new information that you use a web proxy |
| 19:55.57 | greycat | True. Sorry for omitting that. |
| 19:56.14 | format_c | the issue is occuring on clients behind the proxy or on the proxy itself? |
| 19:56.40 | greycat | The squid proxy is on a non-Debian system. |
| 19:57.02 | format_c | this indirectly answers the question |
| 19:57.18 | Dagger | so, obvious suggestion now that I actually know about the proxy: does it still do it if you don't use the proxy? |
| 19:57.28 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 19:57.30 | format_c | is there a way to circumvent the proxy |
| 19:57.36 | missmbob | i'm having a laugh |
| 19:57.40 | greycat | Let me try one experiment at a time.... |
| 19:57.50 | *** join/#debian dka (~dka@1.54.149.248) |
| 19:58.06 | greycat | Squid proxy has restarted, apt-get update attempt has restarted and is now hung again. |
| 19:58.11 | format_c | Assuming a different flush mechanism of the proxy or even worse a Content-Length calculation bug |
| 19:58.24 | greycat | I can *try* going without the proxy to see if the networking department folks have changed their policy lately.... |
| 19:58.33 | format_c | Could you create a packet capture of this communication? |
| 19:58.40 | greycat | That sounds super hard. |
| 19:58.53 | unborn | greycat: I suggest you to read error logs.. |
| 19:59.15 | format_c | tcpdump -s0 -w /tmp/capture.enc 'host <IPv6 of Proxy>' |
| 19:59.25 | greycat | continues ignoring the random suggestions, and moves to the next experiment, "comment out the proxy in apt.conf" |
| 20:00.06 | format_c | is thinking about a new website randomsuggestions.org |
| 20:00.10 | *** join/#debian plover (~plover@unaffiliated/plover) |
| 20:00.16 | *** join/#debian cyborg-one (~cyborg-on@176-119-67-179.broadband.tenet.odessa.ua) |
| 20:00.26 | unborn | greycat :) good suggestion however you know what moves you should take on with your question.. :)) |
| 20:00.42 | *** join/#debian Levure (~quassel@91.179.229.232) |
| 20:01.01 | *** join/#debian andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 20:01.03 | Dagger | format_c: it'd probably solve 30% of the support issues it tried to answer for |
| 20:01.06 | greycat | With apt.conf line commented out, it is still hanging. |
| 20:01.41 | unborn | good question would be why.. in logs no suggestion at all? |
| 20:01.46 | *** join/#debian b6s3d (~b00s3d@unaffiliated/b00s3d) |
| 20:01.51 | greycat | WHAT LOGS |
| 20:01.59 | greycat | I AM TELLING YOU EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING STEP BY STEP |
| 20:02.22 | format_c | tcpdump -s0 -w/tmp/capture.enc 'port 80'; Then apt-get update. |
| 20:02.31 | format_c | In a different terminal |
| 20:02.40 | format_c | Crtl-C to stop the capture. |
| 20:02.42 | unborn | in system.. logs are everywhere for everything.. heh you should know that |
| 20:02.44 | greycat | So I would have to apt-get install tcpdump first, then...? |
| 20:02.52 | *** join/#debian djcomidi (~stijn@ip-62-235-174-235.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 20:02.58 | greycat | tries that, on the off chance it will work |
| 20:03.05 | greycat | Oh, hey, that is working. |
| 20:03.07 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.14 | jelly | why do you not already have tcpdump! |
| 20:03.26 | format_c | jelly, it's there |
| 20:04.13 | greycat | Fetched 1,719 B in 19s (87 B/s) |
| 20:04.16 | greycat | Reading package lists... Done |
| 20:04.27 | greycat | ... do not understand. |
| 20:04.37 | *** join/#debian sl4v3 (~casey.bil@216.13.193.90) |
| 20:04.46 | greycat | So, do I ctrl-C the tcpdump now? |
| 20:04.52 | format_c | yes |
| 20:04.56 | format_c | did the issue occur? |
| 20:05.11 | *** join/#debian fengling (~fengling@58.135.95.136) |
| 20:05.12 | greycat | The apt-get completed while tcpdump was running. For the first time in many days of trying. |
| 20:05.14 | *** join/#debian Sarckz (~sarckz@unaffiliated/sarckz) |
| 20:05.15 | unborn | greycat: me to :) its all okay.. as they say do yes or no ;) |
| 20:05.23 | jelly | wonders who uses .enc instead of .pcap extension |
| 20:06.04 | format_c | jelly, the packet capture headers differ slightly. However wireshark doesn't really rely on these details. |
| 20:06.11 | format_c | matter of habit |
| 20:06.23 | Sarckz | hello guys I have a really simple and stupid question |
| 20:06.55 | format_c | greycat, can you try to repeat until the issue re-occurs? |
| 20:07.06 | greycat | I have a bunch of other hosts to try to apt-get update on.... |
| 20:07.43 | jelly | try not running in promisc mode on some of them (ie. not run tcpdump at the same time) |
| 20:08.13 | jelly | just in case it's a heisenissue |
| 20:08.26 | greycat | root@svr4:~# apt-get update |
| 20:08.31 | Sarckz | I have a laptop with ~500 GB of disk space and I want to install debian on it, I know going with a swap partition and a root partition would be the easiest way but I'd like to create a home partition but that leaves me with how much space I should give to / |
| 20:08.53 | *** join/#debian poshbehard (~poshbehar@24-119-36-82.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 20:09.07 | greycat | ... hanging at 100% [2 Sources 157 kB/157 kB 100%] with my unchanged config that worked for years and years and years until last week |
| 20:09.08 | Sarckz | that means, I want a swap, root and home partition, but how much space should I give to root then? |
| 20:09.29 | greycat | So, in which order shall I try which experiments on svr4? |
| 20:09.32 | jelly | Sarckz, 20GB. Or use lvm. |
| 20:10.02 | *** join/#debian under_creator (~master@104.200.154.28) |
| 20:10.13 | Sarckz | is 20 GB the minimum or should I give it more? |
| 20:10.15 | format_c | greycat, redo the update again when tcpdump is running. |
| 20:10.15 | AimHere | Sarckz, I have 10 GB on a desktop debian. 20-30GB sounds about right |
| 20:10.20 | jelly | Sarckz, if you decide on LVM don't let debian installer use 100% of the space for /home |
| 20:10.29 | greycat | For some reason it *likes* installing tcpdump. That isn't hanging. |
| 20:10.43 | jelly | Sarckz, that's a reasonable size a / partition will grow to during the next 5 years |
| 20:10.54 | *** join/#debian philipballew (~philip@ubuntu/member/philipballew) |
| 20:11.17 | Sarckz | okay guess I'll go with 30 GB, thank you very much guys |
| 20:11.24 | format_c | greycat, that's odd..... |
| 20:12.01 | greycat | OK, apt-get update on svr4 (via squid) is hanging and tcpdump is capturing whatever it's capturing. |
| 20:12.23 | jelly | can you run a sniffer on the squid machine? |
| 20:12.30 | format_c | could you share this capture somewhere? |
| 20:12.33 | greycat | The squid machine is HP-UX 10.20, so probably not. |
| 20:12.47 | greycat | format_c: ctrl-c them now? |
| 20:12.52 | format_c | yes |
| 20:13.02 | greycat | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24 Aug 15 16:12 /tmp/capture.enc |
| 20:13.08 | jelly | greycat, solaris had "snoop" installed by default, perhaps hp-ux had something as well |
| 20:13.14 | unborn | greycat: its been long time since I've seen you so sarcastic :) - i like you - you know that :) |
| 20:13.21 | greycat | I think I need to capture port 3128 instead of port 80 |
| 20:13.39 | *** join/#debian kzimmermann (~gidbsnskh@179.103.82.66) |
| 20:13.47 | format_c | oh yes |
| 20:14.06 | *** join/#debian simNIX (~simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) |
| 20:14.33 | greycat | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19468488 Aug 15 16:14 /tmp/capture3128.enc |
| 20:14.45 | greycat | Should I gzip it or something? |
| 20:14.52 | *** join/#debian brguy (uid21011@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wqnfakpdgdlszqmw) |
| 20:14.59 | format_c | yes doesn't harm |
| 20:15.18 | greycat | didn't help much |
| 20:15.32 | *** join/#debian a_ (d@ps38852.dreamhost.com) |
| 20:16.00 | format_c | yeah was afraid of |
| 20:16.28 | greycat | http://wooledge.org/~greg/capture3128.enc.gz |
| 20:16.33 | *** join/#debian curtis22 (~curtis@63.135.2.175) |
| 20:17.32 | jelly | is ... that web behind the same firewall? HTTP request sent, awaiting response... |
| 20:18.01 | greycat | Debian system -> HP-UX squid proxy -> workplace firewall/transparent HTTP proxy -> Internet |
| 20:18.32 | jelly | capture3128.enc.gz 34%[=========================> ] 6.13M --.-KB/s eta 29s # and hanging there |
| 20:18.38 | *** join/#debian funkadelic (~funkadeli@unaffiliated/funkadelic) |
| 20:18.46 | missmbob | downloaded fine here, fwiw |
| 20:18.46 | *** join/#debian HappyLoa- (happyloaf@bitcoinshell.mooo.com) |
| 20:18.47 | format_c | greycat, interessting setup |
| 20:18.49 | format_c | I got it |
| 20:19.01 | funkadelic | im trying to compile this program but it needs some package, what is this package it is complainning about? configure: error: Mednaffe needs GTK+ >= 3.4 |
| 20:20.02 | Xin | GTK. |
| 20:20.05 | Xin | obviously. |
| 20:20.07 | jelly | funkadelic, start with libgtk-3-dev |
| 20:20.40 | jelly | Xin, but "GTK" is not a package name. |
| 20:20.48 | funkadelic | Xin, whats the package name though, because apt-cache search gtk brings up a bunch of stuff. i tried installing gtklib3-perl |
| 20:21.08 | *** join/#debian dArK_IcE (~DARKICEPT@a95-92-107-215.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 20:21.09 | greycat | funkadelic: libgtk-3-dev as jelly said. |
| 20:21.24 | unborn | :) im out of here.. |
| 20:21.44 | jelly | funkadelic, when you're trying to build something from source, you're almost always going to need -dev packages |
| 20:21.52 | Xin | funkadelic; lol, as the -perl implies, that is for perl |
| 20:22.39 | funkadelic | i see ... |
| 20:22.51 | *** join/#debian Darcidride (~Darcidrid@158.69.114.146) |
| 20:22.52 | *** join/#debian Neo (~neo@opennic/Neo) |
| 20:23.17 | funkadelic | im installing that package now. is gonna take forever on this network :( |
| 20:23.34 | *** join/#debian blu_ (~bluenemo@unaffiliated/bluenemo) |
| 20:25.48 | funkadelic | brb |
| 20:26.51 | *** join/#debian lucaswang (~lucaswang@116.216.30.10) |
| 20:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1671] by debhelper |
| 20:28.29 | *** join/#debian andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 20:29.22 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:de5:1d38:90cf:195a) |
| 20:30.01 | *** part/#debian poshbehard (~poshbehar@24-119-36-82.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 20:30.23 | *** join/#debian Ticho_ (~Ticho@unaffiliated/ticho) |
| 20:30.55 | andril | o/ |
| 20:31.27 | *** join/#debian Y04NN_ (~y04nn@nayon.fr) |
| 20:31.35 | *** join/#debian DammitJim (~DammitJim@173.227.148.6) |
| 20:31.37 | andril | i need to install win 10 flash dell bios, is there any way to install after Debian? |
| 20:31.42 | *** join/#debian macrobat (~beep@h-39-187.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 20:32.02 | *** join/#debian wigust (~quassel@178.71.228.230) |
| 20:32.53 | `Kevin | andril: you can install bios without windows no? :) |
| 20:33.12 | *** join/#debian Guest49953 (~weechat@h-10-217-161.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 20:33.16 | *** join/#debian Sonyy (~Sonyy@59.94.186.15) |
| 20:33.23 | andril | not any option i have tried - i did freedos boot and all i get back is TEST |
| 20:34.11 | *** join/#debian thnee (~thnee@h-144-199.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 20:35.16 | format_c | greycat, the Packages.xz download runs over v4 to the proxy. The HTTP Content-Length headers comply to the data transferred, which could lead to such a behaviour. Intrestingly I spotted a Gateway-Timeout HTTP error, unfortunately not the whole communication related to that. |
| 20:35.52 | greycat | Everything should be IPv4 here. IPv6 doesn't exist in any realistic sense. |
| 20:36.31 | greycat | Anything that tries to use IPv6 other than loopback is just going to come to a flaming crashing halt. |
| 20:37.14 | format_c | greycat, it has anything to do in your environment. I've implemented v6 in a enterprise envrionment w/o any symptoms you're experiencing. |
| 20:38.25 | greycat | I am not attempting to implement ipv6. |
| 20:38.37 | format_c | when you "disable v6" to remediate that issue, how do you do that and where? |
| 20:38.43 | greycat | I've been doing apt-get update (etc.) through this same process for years, but suddenly it's not working. |
| 20:38.58 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:b536:4550:56bd:8fbc) |
| 20:39.01 | *** join/#debian blueness (~blueness@gentoo/developer/blueness) |
| 20:39.04 | greycat | format_c: all I did was add the -4 option to my named command on svr5 which is my DNS server. |
| 20:39.32 | *** join/#debian funkadelic (~funkadeli@unaffiliated/funkadelic) |
| 20:39.56 | *** join/#debian cyan__ (~cyan@217.170.162.68) |
| 20:40.05 | *** join/#debian Gr33nW0lf (~Gr33nW0lf@191.229.27.76) |
| 20:40.32 | *** join/#debian Gr33nW0lf (~Gr33nW0lf@191.229.27.76) |
| 20:42.35 | *** join/#debian dethos (~dethos@bl16-133-204.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 20:42.54 | StoBrendo | does anyone know if debian's systemd could be replaced for openrc , and if yes could you share a good link about it? |
| 20:43.57 | *** join/#debian altin (~altin@178.132.219.166) |
| 20:43.57 | *** join/#debian altin (~altin@flossk/altin) |
| 20:45.35 | jmcnaught | StoBrendo: there is an openrc package in jessie. You could start by installing it on a test system (or downloading the .deb) and reading the documentation, look for a README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/openrc |
| 20:46.02 | jmcnaught | StoBrendo: you may find that some things don't work as well when not using the default init |
| 20:46.06 | StoBrendo | jmcnaught: after installing it systemd could be safely (and entirely) removed? |
| 20:46.20 | StoBrendo | jmcnaught: which kind of things? |
| 20:46.23 | jmcnaught | StoBrendo: i don't know, i'm telling you to read the documentation that comes with the package |
| 20:46.52 | *** join/#debian rbern (~rbern@unaffiliated/rbern) |
| 20:46.56 | StoBrendo | jmcnaught: ok i will , thanks. Anyways which kind of thigs are those that tends to fail when doing this? |
| 20:47.34 | jmcnaught | StoBrendo: i don't know, i use systemd ;) but the jessie release notes contain a caution about this |
| 20:48.40 | greycat | Looking at "apt-cache show openrc", I am not seeing why you would prefer this over sysvinit. |
| 20:49.06 | jmcnaught | StoBrendo: also in the future please do not ask your question on freenode and OFTC at the same time, it causes duplication of effort |
| 20:49.54 | *** join/#debian navlys (~smuxi@87-231-23-206.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 20:49.59 | *** join/#debian Al3xG0 (~unix@unaffiliated/al3xg0) |
| 20:49.59 | StoBrendo | jmcnaught: ok sorry, I'll remember. From what i've read just now what could fail from doing what you say me are some DE |
| 20:50.24 | format_c | greycat, when enforcing named to IPv4, it does not mean that it doesn't resolve AAAA requests and delivering this to the clients. This sound to me like a broken IPv6 connectivity of your DNS server. |
| 20:50.53 | greycat | My DNS server is inside the workplace firewall. All of these systems are. I have no control over the workplace firewall. |
| 20:51.11 | greycat | nameserver 10.76.142.103 |
| 20:51.15 | *** part/#debian format_c (~format_c@2001:4dd0:ff00:8421:9fd:dc3f:a877:cc30) |
| 20:51.21 | *** join/#debian format_c (~format_c@2001:4dd0:ff00:8421:9fd:dc3f:a877:cc30) |
| 21:06.31 | *** join/#debian apt (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 21:06.31 | *** topic/#debian is Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.5; /msg dpkg 7.11 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
| 21:06.41 | *** join/#debian fengling (~fengling@58.135.95.136) |
| 21:07.44 | *** join/#debian apjp (~apjp@2804:18:1014:e4f9:9688:196c:39b6:c083) |
| 21:07.54 | *** join/#debian bollocks_k (~bollocks@fedora/bollocks) |
| 21:08.17 | simbalion | nvm I got it :D |
| 21:09.05 | *** join/#debian aaro (~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147) |
| 21:09.14 | *** join/#debian hualet (~hualet@113.57.50.55) |
| 21:09.26 | *** join/#debian FluidDruid (~FluidDrui@cpc81321-enfi21-2-0-cust205.20-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 21:09.54 | *** join/#debian Putti (~Putti@unaffiliated/putti) |
| 21:10.50 | *** join/#debian jetho (~jetho@191.242.128.190) |
| 21:12.11 | *** part/#debian djcomidi (~stijn@ip-62-235-174-235.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 21:13.05 | *** join/#debian f10 (~flo@2001:470:52af:1:9113:99c8:789c:7b20) |
| 21:13.43 | *** join/#debian f10_ (~flo@ip5b403530.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 21:16.59 | *** join/#debian rick__ (~rick@201.37.161.74) |
| 21:17.18 | *** join/#debian thunderrd_ (~thunderrd@61.7.186.240) |
| 21:17.49 | *** join/#debian Specialist (~tg@2001:4dd0:fe44:0:fbd9:b1aa:ee05:cf87) |
| 21:19.36 | *** join/#debian crayon (~user@unaffiliated/button) |
| 21:20.04 | *** join/#debian wildlander (~wild@unaffiliated/wildlander) |
| 21:22.49 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:d10d:bbdf:a214:ba83) |
| 21:23.10 | *** join/#debian jubo2 (~juboxi@wikipedia/jukeboksi) |
| 21:24.25 | *** join/#debian awal1 (~awal1@199.241.132.84) |
| 21:26.28 | *** join/#debian hanasaki (~hanasaki@pool-71-185-62-176.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 21:27.41 | *** join/#debian robotroll (~robotroll@unaffiliated/robotroll) |
| 21:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1664] by debhelper |
| 21:28.28 | brizz | my debian is screwed up |
| 21:28.46 | brizz | it doesnt have package 'nginx'...ive tried rebuilding sources.list, but that didnt fix it |
| 21:28.55 | brizz | is there something else besides sources.list i need to be doing? |
| 21:29.14 | brizz | im trying to avoid re-installing everything, because its a server...and its serving stuff |
| 21:29.40 | *** join/#debian jandrusk (~jra@cpe-104-231-119-61.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 21:29.44 | *** join/#debian chalcedony (~chalcedon@unaffiliated/chalcedony) |
| 21:30.24 | *** join/#debian donoban (~user@kite.riseup.net) |
| 21:31.51 | *** join/#debian Zutik (~1@20.red-79-144-132.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:32.11 | *** join/#debian funkadelic (~funkadeli@unaffiliated/funkadelic) |
| 21:34.21 | funkadelic | i seemed to have broke my sound some how, can someone help me figure out what happened to it? |
| 21:34.52 | *** part/#debian takurtak (~onculayin@87.121.52.173) |
| 21:35.11 | format_c | brizz, what does apt-cache policy nginx say? |
| 21:35.48 | brizz | i fixed it...i deleted everything in sources.d |
| 21:35.59 | *** join/#debian asc232 (~Keith@179.38.148.9) |
| 21:36.00 | brizz | and re-made the sources.list from default |
| 21:36.15 | brizz | another question someone might be able to answer tho |
| 21:36.21 | brizz | (im on debian stretch) |
| 21:36.39 | brizz | 'search' stopped working. i.e. i cant type an app name and have it show up |
| 21:37.00 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 21:37.00 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:37.19 | *** join/#debian shahri (~shahri@unaffiliated/shahri) |
| 21:39.41 | *** join/#debian doublehp (~DoubleHP@2a01:e35:8ba8:e140::52) |
| 21:40.48 | *** join/#debian bazhang_ (~bazhang@unaffiliated/bazhang) |
| 21:41.04 | doublehp | I want to change a setting for my monitor (rotate portrait); how do I custom xorg.conf ? X -configure fails, so I can't create template; I try to only write section I need, but startx uses the file without using my section (probably wrong identifier) |
| 21:42.12 | *** join/#debian ki0 (~ki0@40.red-2-137-175.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:42.23 | *** join/#debian xaa (~xaa@81.243.22.49) |
| 21:44.20 | *** join/#debian velleity (~velleity@va-184-0-212-103.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 21:44.50 | *** join/#debian CutMeOwnThroat (~k@2a02:8070:d1b1:5f00:a288:b4ff:fe9a:1270) |
| 21:44.50 | *** join/#debian CutMeOwnThroat (~k@unaffiliated/iridos) |
| 21:45.03 | *** join/#debian BotaniCar__ (~BotaniCar@93-142-120-118.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 21:46.36 | funkadelic | i fixed it |
| 21:46.58 | *** join/#debian RebelCoder (~Yuriy@cpc74579-lewi13-2-0-cust201.2-4.cable.virginm.net) |
| 21:50.33 | *** join/#debian LtL (~irssi@unaffiliated/ltl) |
| 21:52.28 | *** join/#debian a_ (d@ps38852.dreamhost.com) |
| 21:54.57 | *** join/#debian jaimungal (~jaimungal@45.55.61.148) |
| 21:57.23 | *** join/#debian Wizek_ (~Wizek@catv-89-132-132-110.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 21:59.48 | *** join/#debian atis (~atis@62.85.92.192) |
| 22:00.39 | *** join/#debian Hunterkll (~Hunterkll@2001:470:8b06:100:87e:5f3b:790a:c6e3) |
| 22:02.11 | *** join/#debian pseud0euro (~root@228.red-81-43-1.staticip.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:03.42 | *** join/#debian cerebro_ (~cerebro@130.155.213.55) |
| 22:04.37 | *** join/#debian cerebro_ (~cerebro@goo.atnf.csiro.au) |
| 22:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1658] by debhelper |
| 22:08.16 | *** join/#debian fengling (~fengling@58.135.95.136) |
| 22:09.47 | *** join/#debian dmpeters63 (~dmpeters6@107-142-101-126.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:10.43 | *** join/#debian alexandros_c (~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531) |
| 22:11.22 | *** join/#debian BackEndCoder (~steve@mail.dontplay.co.uk) |
| 22:13.47 | *** join/#debian amcorreia (~amcorreia@2804:7f5:280:1059::2) |
| 22:18.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1651] by debhelper |
| 22:20.03 | *** join/#debian m0ordzieK (~m0ordzieK@d51a59d72.access.telenet.be) |
| 22:20.47 | *** join/#debian TomasCZ (~TomasCZ@yes.tenlab.net) |
| 22:21.58 | *** join/#debian blueness (~blueness@gentoo/developer/blueness) |
| 22:22.26 | *** join/#debian ToBeCloud (uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree) |
| 22:24.20 | *** join/#debian drithdx_ (~drithdx@94.26.1.106) |
| 22:24.59 | *** join/#debian idodeisuke (~Ido@unaffiliated/idodeisuke) |
| 22:25.57 | *** join/#debian zer0mad_ (queuepop@just.hacked.a.56k.dk) |
| 22:27.05 | *** join/#debian Gr33nW0lf (~Gr33nW0lf@177.204.137.249.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 22:27.27 | *** join/#debian Gr33nW0lf (~Gr33nW0lf@177.204.137.249.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 22:27.49 | *** join/#debian jubo2 (~juboxi@wikipedia/jukeboksi) |
| 22:29.36 | *** join/#debian jetho (~jetho@191.242.128.190) |
| 22:30.47 | *** join/#debian Darcidride (~Darcidrid@dmt69-1-88-180-172-161.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 22:32.11 | *** part/#debian CyberGabber (~CyberGabb@29-187-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl) |
| 22:32.59 | *** join/#debian nighty (~nighty@sp1-79-72-249.msb.spmode.ne.jp) |
| 22:33.20 | *** join/#debian pasadinhas (~textual@bl8-95-94.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 22:34.11 | *** join/#debian kzimmermann2 (~gidbsnskh@179.166.33.223) |
| 22:34.35 | *** join/#debian jass93 (~ifillj@pool-173-48-114-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 22:35.38 | *** join/#debian Sector89 (~Sector89@lawn-143-215-119-164.lawn.gatech.edu) |
| 22:35.38 | *** join/#debian Sector89 (~Sector89@fsf/member/Sector89) |
| 22:36.34 | *** join/#debian SCHAAP137 (~dorian@unaffiliated/schaap137) |
| 22:37.41 | *** join/#debian Pwnna (~Pwnna@mushroom.thekks.net) |
| 22:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1638] by debhelper |
| 22:38.30 | *** join/#debian iWaldo (iWaldo___@unaffiliated/iwaldo) |
| 22:39.00 | *** join/#debian kzimmermann (~gidbsnskh@191.16.103.59) |
| 22:39.12 | *** join/#debian Sector89 (~Sector89@fsf/member/Sector89) |
| 22:39.35 | *** join/#debian funkadelic (~funkadeli@unaffiliated/funkadelic) |
| 22:40.35 | *** join/#debian andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 22:41.11 | *** join/#debian kzimmermann2 (~gidbsnskh@152.244.137.52) |
| 22:42.25 | *** join/#debian Pwnna (~Pwnna@mushroom.thekks.net) |
| 22:42.37 | *** join/#debian verm1n (~verm1n@209-6-236-59.c3-0.wrx-ubr1.sbo-wrx.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 22:44.20 | *** join/#debian spronk (~spronkey@160.160.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) |
| 22:46.32 | *** join/#debian Pwnna (~Pwnna@mushroom.thekks.net) |
| 22:50.43 | *** join/#debian KP708 (KP708@Living.In.The.Clouds.PanicBNC.org) |
| 22:51.02 | *** join/#debian leba2 (bb86ab32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.134.171.50) |
| 22:51.16 | leba2 | Isn't there a ntpdate.service in debian jessie? |
| 22:52.54 | RoyK | leba2: there's and ntpd service |
| 22:53.20 | RoyK | leba2: ntpdate is a commandline thing - ntpd is there to keep the time in sync |
| 22:53.33 | leba2 | Royk: wouldn't that be the usual ntp.service? |
| 22:53.50 | leba2 | I have enabled a service called ntp.service on debian 8.5, not "ntpd.service" |
| 22:54.01 | RoyK | should be the thing |
| 22:54.38 | leba2 | Mm... |
| 22:54.39 | leba2 | thanks |
| 22:54.42 | *** join/#debian strass (~strass@tomenet.skepticalfamily.com) |
| 22:54.50 | *** join/#debian Pwnna (~Pwnna@mushroom.thekks.net) |
| 22:55.03 | strass | I'm having problems updating apt-get... I hang at `0% [Connecting to httpredir.debian.org (2001:41c8:1000:21::21:35)]` forever |
| 22:55.25 | strass | is it an ipv6 thing? |
| 22:55.42 | *** join/#debian Sabotender (~Sabotende@unaffiliated/sabotender) |
| 22:56.33 | RoyK | strass: it is |
| 22:57.20 | RoyK | strass: seems that whateverit'scalled mirror redirect thing doesn't distinguish between protocol stacks |
| 22:57.55 | *** join/#debian dArK_IcE (~DARKICEPT@a95-92-107-215.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 22:58.06 | RoyK | strass: I had a similar issue with some raspberry pi machines that are on ipv6 only - trying to download updates from ipv4-only servers - doesn't work too well |
| 23:02.55 | *** join/#debian sharkman (~dan@2601:199:4200:58b8:26fd:52ff:fe23:8d04) |
| 23:03.38 | *** join/#debian andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 23:04.12 | *** join/#debian paw (~afong@24-212-185-238.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:04.33 | sharkman | i have an SSH script to set up a reverse tunnel. if i run it from my home directory then it runs, and i can connect back through the reverse tunel. i also set it up in /etc/init.d, and if run it it runs fine, BUT, i cannot get back in through the reverse tunnel. im guessing this has to do with permissions somehow? any ideas how to fix this? |
| 23:04.38 | RoyK | I wonder when those ISPs realise that there's no future with ipv4 |
| 23:05.28 | RoyK | sharkman: just cron up a script with your user to keep it open - not hard |
| 23:06.18 | *** join/#debian KindOne (sillyfool@freenude/topless/kindone) |
| 23:06.22 | sharkman | cron adds complexity cause i only want it to run once. doesnt cron run hourly, or by the minute or whatever. i just need it to run one time, immediately, when computer starts up |
| 23:07.10 | RoyK | not really, because suddenly there's a hichup somewhere on the net and the ssh connection goes down |
| 23:07.42 | sharkman | right, that is why i run autossh, that should handle it if the connection goes down |
| 23:08.10 | *** join/#debian sasukeskapa (~sasukeska@catv-89-132-97-31.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 23:08.31 | RoyK | sharkman: well, start it as a cronjob as your user without a time given but with just @reboot |
| 23:08.38 | RoyK | should work well |
| 23:08.44 | sharkman | okay thanks |
| 23:09.02 | RoyK | see man 5 crontab |
| 23:09.43 | *** join/#debian fengling (~fengling@58.135.95.136) |
| 23:10.47 | *** join/#debian earthundead (~earthunde@78.25.123.49) |
| 23:10.51 | *** join/#debian hualet (~hualet@113.57.50.55) |
| 23:11.03 | *** join/#debian Starky (~Starky@unaffiliated/starky) |
| 23:11.41 | strass | I feel like I'm missing something. Why can't I find this package in apt-get? https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/tomahawk (yes I am on sid, with sid sources list) |
| 23:12.22 | RoyK | !sid |
| 23:12.22 | dpkg | sid is, like, the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 23:12.28 | *** join/#debian sydney_untangle (~sydney@supertux/sydney) |
| 23:12.57 | *** join/#debian andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 23:13.20 | *** join/#debian b6s3d (~b00s3d@unaffiliated/b00s3d) |
| 23:13.29 | *** join/#debian jeezy (~xz@2001:19f0:6400:89c3:b749:8177:a25c:c270) |
| 23:13.58 | *** join/#debian jeddi (~jedd@ppp59-167-136-120.static.internode.on.net) |
| 23:14.01 | strass | RoyK I've been fine on sid so far, and there is a tomahawk package in the sid packages, I just can't find it on my end |
| 23:14.01 | *** join/#debian jster (~jacob@2a02:a450:f417:0:884a:fab5:b1a1:cb0c) |
| 23:14.09 | *** join/#debian jeezy (~xz@bitchx/apple/jeezy) |
| 23:14.14 | strass | I must be missing something obvious |
| 23:14.39 | missmbob | !tell strass -about debian-next |
| 23:15.57 | *** join/#debian Jelmer_ (~Jelmer@ip54534744.speed.planet.nl) |
| 23:16.56 | *** join/#debian Ad1_RN (~adrian@aaxv231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:17.38 | *** part/#debian Smuckerz (~C2N14@wrongplanet/smuckerz) |
| 23:21.22 | *** join/#debian sm00th (~sm00th@unaffiliated/sm00th) |
| 23:21.40 | *** join/#debian Sector89 (~Sector89@2601:c0:c500:c382::76e0) |
| 23:21.41 | *** join/#debian Sector89 (~Sector89@fsf/member/Sector89) |
| 23:22.40 | *** join/#debian kzimmermann (~gidbsnskh@2804:7f1:c080:f6c0:a499:d389:bcb9:15d1) |
| 23:23.47 | *** join/#debian Smuckerz (~C2N14@wrongplanet/smuckerz) |
| 23:26.41 | rklopfer | i'm trying to set up a laptop with debian, but nothing is showing up in `nmcli dev wifi list` |
| 23:26.43 | *** join/#debian blueness (~blueness@gentoo/developer/blueness) |
| 23:26.54 | rklopfer | anyone have any ideas why that might be happening? |
| 23:27.04 | rklopfer | i already installed iwlwifi |
| 23:27.34 | RoyK | rklopfer: some firmware packages missing? |
| 23:27.34 | *** join/#debian Sector89 (~Sector89@fsf/member/Sector89) |
| 23:28.27 | *** join/#debian andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 23:29.03 | rklopfer | RoyK iwlwifi has the firmware |
| 23:29.33 | RoyK | ok, not sure, then |
| 23:30.08 | *** part/#debian jster (~jacob@2a02:a450:f417:0:884a:fab5:b1a1:cb0c) |
| 23:30.15 | *** join/#debian Sabotender (~Sabotende@unaffiliated/sabotender) |
| 23:31.00 | *** join/#debian kroSoft (~kro@41.227.55.93) |
| 23:31.58 | rklopfer | no worries... think i'll try mint |
| 23:32.52 | *** join/#debian Pwnna (~Pwnna@mushroom.thekks.net) |
| 23:33.41 | *** join/#debian b6s3d (~b00s3d@unaffiliated/b00s3d) |
| 23:34.51 | *** join/#debian amcorreia (~amcorreia@2804:7f5:280:1059::2) |
| 23:36.25 | *** join/#debian RickXy (~zncadmin@115.99.101.156) |
| 23:36.37 | *** join/#debian jster (~jacob@2a02:a450:f417:0:884a:fab5:b1a1:cb0c) |
| 23:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1630] by debhelper |
| 23:41.27 | *** join/#debian andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 23:42.51 | *** join/#debian BackEndCoder (~steve@mail.dontplay.co.uk) |
| 23:44.12 | *** join/#debian kobain (~kobain@unaffiliated/kobain) |
| 23:46.40 | *** join/#debian ty3f1n9 (~ty3f1n9@187.214.16.236) |
| 23:48.17 | *** join/#debian murphy_ (~boosh@8.19.46.3) |
| 23:48.23 | *** part/#debian jster (~jacob@2a02:a450:f417:0:884a:fab5:b1a1:cb0c) |
| 23:49.24 | *** join/#debian cybiko123 (~cybiko123@unaffiliated/cybiko123) |
| 23:49.52 | *** join/#debian _atomik (~atomik@104.200.154.2) |
| 23:50.25 | murphy_ | can someone give me advice on mounting an SD card inside root to give me more hard drive space for installing apps? |
| 23:52.06 | *** join/#debian velleity (~velleity@va-184-0-212-103.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 23:53.11 | *** join/#debian wbill (~wbill@96-38-107-68.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) |
| 23:55.19 | *** join/#debian anuxivm (~anuxi@92.185.154.236) |
| 23:57.28 | *** join/#debian ArchNoob (~ArchNoob@unaffiliated/archnoob) |
| 23:57.53 | *** join/#debian HanOverFist (~Adium@96-38-107-68.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) |
| 23:58.21 | *** join/#debian HanOverFist (~Adium@96-38-107-68.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) |
| 23:58.23 | RoyK | murphy_: is the root on lvm? |
| 23:58.52 | *** join/#debian Devils69Advocate (~Devils69A@unaffiliated/devils69advocate) |