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| 00:24.39 | Zyferus | Trying to install Debian on an older (dual core AMD) Compaq Laptop (yes, i know, sorry) and as was typical of those, it's lost it;s MAC address, all 0's. After installing, it freezes up every time when trying to generate a random MAC address and i cannot find anything on how to fix it. |
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| 00:26.56 | sharkman | why is it that if i start up a ssh reverse tunnel as root, i cannot reverse tunnel back in? how can i run ssh command as root but delegate it to a speciic user? |
| 00:30.02 | sharkman | okay i got it, just -u NAME |
| 00:30.18 | sharkman | i dont see why i cant start it up as root and thn reverse tunnel back in as a user though |
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| 01:25.28 | foreverska | An update has changed ctl-alt-fX to just alt-fX to change terminals. Alt-f2 is how I lauch dmenu, why do they hate me? How might I undo this? |
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| 01:28.36 | dvs | foreverska, it's always been Alt-fX to change terminals. You use ctrl-alt-fX to change from X to a terminal. |
| 01:29.41 | foreverska | THat is what I mean, I just forgot my nomeclature. right now Alt+fX changes virtual consoles |
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| 01:54.22 | tjt263 | hey i just plugged in a new USB-802.11-(W)NIC and noticed that the interfaces name, according to ip link; failed to follow the common convention |
| 01:54.25 | tjt263 | i.e: wlan{0..9} |
| 01:54.28 | tjt263 | why is that? |
| 01:54.35 | tjt263 | http://sprunge.us/fHFg |
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| 01:55.32 | SerajewelKS | tjt263: check dmesg |
| 01:56.02 | SerajewelKS | tjt263: rename# is a temporary name used by udev, i believe when it decides that it needs to swap the names of two interfaces |
| 01:56.19 | SerajewelKS | e.g. wlan0 becomes rename__, wlan1 becomes wlan0, rename__ becomes wlan1 |
| 01:57.02 | Xin | lol |
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| 02:07.47 | ^v | easiest way of killing cinnamon without logging out? |
| 02:07.56 | ^v | i want to keep games open while cinnamon isnt running |
| 02:08.01 | ^v | and be able to just restart it |
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| 02:18.30 | pencilandpaper | ^v, why not install lxtask and open it as root and close Cinnamon that way..and I think that Ctrl+alt+backspace restarts Cinnamon. |
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| 02:24.56 | ^v | penguinguru, cinnamon not showing up in lxtask |
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| 02:28.28 | ^v | pencilandpaper i mean |
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| 02:28.42 | ^v | killing the cinnamon process logs me out for whatever reason |
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| 02:28.54 | ^v | with the normal task manager |
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| 02:30.22 | pencilandpaper | I don't think that you are going to be able to play a game without your display manager running ^v . |
| 02:30.42 | pencilandpaper | Have you tried shutting down other processes as well? |
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| 02:31.05 | pencilandpaper | I know with Xfce there is xfdesktop, is there something like that for Cinnamon? |
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| 02:31.43 | ^v | pencilandpaper, when cinnamon manages to crash itself it doesnt log out and games run smoother |
| 02:31.47 | ^v | and i can alt-tab |
| 02:31.50 | ^v | just no window borders |
| 02:32.40 | pencilandpaper | You don't know what is causing that to happen either huh? |
| 02:33.22 | ^v | nope |
| 02:35.01 | pencilandpaper | Yeah, I haven't been on Cinnamon in a good while, and can't install it right now either. |
| 02:35.21 | pencilandpaper | I'm actually using Tahrpup64 right now. :) Have you looked online at all? |
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| 02:36.03 | abrotman | why the need to logout? |
| 02:36.34 | radw62 | hello im going to configure a debian as iscsi target |
| 02:37.00 | radw62 | i hope that it works |
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| 02:37.16 | radw62 | better that openfiler |
| 02:37.35 | pencilandpaper | I guess that he wants to logout because when Cinnamon isn't running his games tend to run smoother. |
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| 02:41.43 | tjt263 | SerajewelKS: what am i checking dmesg for? |
| 02:41.44 | tjt263 | its not actually changing from rename## to wlan# by the way, i think it's stuck that way. can i flush it so that it goes back to normal? |
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| 02:46.42 | CarlFK | http://paste.ubuntu.com/23060211/ failed debuild - I am trying to build it on odroid arm.. |
| 02:48.30 | abrotman | pencilandpaper: how would he know, if he's never gotten it to work ? |
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| 02:50.02 | zumba_addict | hi folks. I just finished downloading 3 .font files. How do I install it? |
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| 02:51.55 | zumba_addict | i think i figured it out |
| 02:53.15 | pencilandpaper | I guess that it crashes and ends up that way abrotman..and he wants to know how to mimic that on purpose. |
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| 03:02.22 | tjt263 | is there a config file or i can edit or something? |
| 03:02.22 | tjt263 | to make it go back to the traditional wlanX-style naming convention? |
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| 04:00.39 | tlolczyk | I upgraded yesterday/this morning. When the xserver software was being upgraded, it gave me some warnings which I did not write down. Now I've forgotten this warnings. Is there a way I can generate those warnings again? |
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| 04:06.06 | SerajewelKS | tlolczyk: not really. use script next time to record the upgrade output to a file. |
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| 04:08.58 | tlolczyk | SerajewelKS, well the problem is xserver is not working now. |
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| 05:14.12 | AndroUser | Hi guys im quiet new to debian, recently brought a decent dedicated server. I wanted to change the ssh port indeed i did it. And did a restart. But im not able to login again. Any suggestion |
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| 05:15.14 | doublehp | AndroUser: check which port is open using nmap |
| 05:15.31 | AndroUser | Noted |
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| 05:16.42 | doublehp | AndroUser: if you know which port you used, try telnet (telnet IP PORT) on both old and new; one of them should say hello |
| 05:17.00 | AndroUser | Let me try now |
| 05:17.09 | doublehp | AndroUser: then, connect using ssh client and option -p PORT |
| 05:17.31 | doublehp | changing port is a "can't fail" thing |
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| 05:18.37 | AndroUser | Yeah true brb let me try ur methods |
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| 05:24.14 | AndroUser | Doublehp none of the ports on telnet says hello |
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| 05:24.25 | doublehp | what did nmap say ? |
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| 05:26.52 | AndroUser | Im not able to use nmap at the moment im in office. |
| 05:27.01 | AndroUser | Does android has any nmap |
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| 05:28.50 | AndroUser | Doublehp there |
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| 05:28.58 | doublehp | AndroUser: there are many port scanners |
| 05:29.13 | doublehp | I have at least 6 ones in my phone |
| 05:29.21 | AndroUser | Nice im looking now |
| 05:30.56 | AndroUser | Doublehp ok done i saw 3 ports open |
| 05:31.57 | doublehp | telnet them |
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| 05:33.18 | doublehp | AndroUser: http://pastebin.com/1hnmWc5e |
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| 05:37.18 | AndroUser | Doublehp all of em connection refused |
| 05:37.37 | doublehp | which ones ? |
| 05:38.55 | AndroUser | 25 |
| 05:38.56 | AndroUser | 80 |
| 05:38.59 | AndroUser | 587 |
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| 05:41.45 | AndroUser | Doublehp and the server support is very bad. Requested to reinstall but no response. There is recovery boot from the cpannel |
| 05:42.14 | doublehp | 25 and 80 MUST say hello |
| 05:42.46 | doublehp | 25: http://pastebin.com/jB6vJeTq |
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| 05:44.01 | doublehp | 80 and failure http://pastebin.com/Hp3bycDD |
| 05:44.35 | doublehp | scann rarely goes above 1024; if you have set ssh above 1024, scanner may have not tested it at all |
| 05:45.17 | jmcnaught | AndroUser: you don't remember the port that you set ssh to? Do you have any sort of serial console access to the server? |
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| 05:45.50 | tjt263 | just scan it |
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| 07:01.13 | rommel092079 | where cn I download debian 7 iso |
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| 07:02.16 | erm3nda | on the webpage |
| 07:02.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell rommel092079 -about install wheezy |
| 07:02.45 | rommel092079 | nx |
| 07:02.46 | rommel092079 | tnx |
| 07:02.47 | babilen | rommel092079: You are probably aware that wheezy is not the current release and that it would be advisable to install jessie instead :) |
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| 07:03.19 | rommel092079 | yes. but I am having trouble install package not available in jessie. so I am trying back on wheezy |
| 07:03.29 | giany | hi, is there any easy way to install kernel 4.4 on debian 8? (preferably without compiling the kernel) |
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| 07:03.37 | babilen | rommel092079: Which package do you need? |
| 07:03.51 | rommel092079 | postfix,dovecot,roundcube |
| 07:03.52 | babilen | giany: Does it have to be 4.4 or would 4.6 work also? |
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| 07:04.13 | giany | 4.6 would do too |
| 07:04.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell giany -about bdo kernel |
| 07:05.01 | babilen | rommel092079: All of then are available in jessie or jessie-backports |
| 07:05.11 | babilen | judd: v roundcube |
| 07:05.12 | judd | Package: roundcube on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 0.9.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie-backports: 1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.2.1+dfsg.1-2; stretch: 1.2.1+dfsg.1-2 |
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| 07:05.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell rommel092079 -about jessie-backports |
| 07:06.19 | babilen | rommel092079: Once you added backports to your sources.list you can run "apt update" and "apt -t jessie-backports install roundcube". The other two packages are directly in jessie. |
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| 07:07.40 | rommel092079 | ah ok. thanks for the info. |
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| 07:09.01 | giany | thx babilen |
| 07:09.07 | babilen | You are welcome |
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| 07:09.51 | babilen | giany: Please note that you would have to pull firmware and microcode packages from backports also (in case you didn't already) |
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| 07:34.14 | tobiasBora | unborn: What do you mean by "well then wait on ram to load your stuff on that phone.. and its not bug" ? |
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| 07:34.51 | tobiasBora | You mean that too big folders cannot be read, and that it is a feature ??? |
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| 07:50.25 | afx_ | Hello ! I am using Debian 8 x64 and java 1.7 . How can I update to java 1.8? |
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| 07:56.31 | babilen | afx_: openjdk-8-jdk is in jessie-backports |
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| 08:02.45 | ChrisH | afx_: If you want or need Oracle Java, download from there and try to convert using java-package: /usr/bin/make-jpkg |
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| 08:11.43 | afx_ | so there will be no conflicts? |
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| 08:33.30 | ChrisH | afx_: no. I have different versions from Java 1.6.45 till Java 8 latest installed for testing and legacy applications |
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| 09:13.29 | jim | does anyone know why llvm from sid when built on jessie fails one of its regression tests and therefore won't complete its build (unless it already did) and won't generate .debs? |
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| 09:13.59 | jim | something about not being able to make a dir |
| 09:14.45 | jim | and my home dir is only 91% full, so that's not the problem |
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| 09:16.21 | jim | please hilite me if you want to talk to me about it... so I know that... |
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| 09:23.04 | babilen | jim: It typically helps if you paste your commands and their output to a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:23.07 | babilen | (just saying) |
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| 09:23.21 | babilen | Our crystal balls are powerful, but not *that* powerful |
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| 09:34.42 | jim | I didn't paste the regression test log? |
| 09:35.18 | jim | the two commands were: debian/rules build and debian/rules binary (with fakeroots on each) |
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| 09:41.37 | babilen | jim: I don't see your paste |
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| 09:49.52 | jim | babilen, I must have forgot. one sec |
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| 09:52.01 | jim | babilen, here it is: http://termbin.com/k14l |
| 09:52.55 | jim | that's a -partial- build log, taken after the build, where it runs the regression test |
| 09:52.56 | jim | s |
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| 09:57.54 | shortCircuit__ | in gnome 3 ... where is the source for the search bar in the overview view |
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| 10:15.05 | sphalerite | I'm not getting graphics acceleration with my Intel integrated graphics (glxinfo reports "OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.5, 256 bits)"). What should I check to see what might be preventing it from working right? Using the modesetting X driver (as opposed to intel) is okay, right? |
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| 10:19.53 | jelly | sphalerite: which intel cpu/gpu? which debian release? |
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| 10:40.10 | ransur0t | shortCircuit__: do you mean where you can change default config? |
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| 10:45.21 | vahe | hi all ,I have a strange situation,I don't know what to do)) I bought a minipc if you connect to an hdmi TV then the Internet is working (LAN) but if without a monitor or tv without it the Internet doesn't work)) mini pc pcg02u |
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| 10:47.02 | vahe | debian 8 |
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| 10:47.30 | sphalerite | jelly: jessie. It used to work fine on testing. It's a i7-2720QM CPU, not sure if the GPU is CPU-integrated or on the motherboard. I'll check |
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| 10:48.06 | sphalerite | yeah apparently it's in the CPU, "Intel® HD Graphics 3000" |
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| 10:55.02 | jelly | hm, that'd be sandybridge, it ought to work with jessie drivers |
| 10:55.55 | jelly | sphalerite: you could try installing xserver-xorg-video-intel and the kernel from jessie-backports, see if those make any difference. Before that, make sure libgl1-mesa-dri is installed. If not, install that first and restart X. |
| 10:56.35 | jelly | sphalerite: you're supposed to use the default driver, that's i915 for the kernel modesetting and video-intel for Xorg |
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| 10:57.55 | jelly | sphalerite: so first step: make sure libgl1-mesa-dri is installed. If it's installed, pastebin your dmesg output from this boot (also available in /var/log/kern.log), and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 10:57.56 | jelly | !paste |
| 10:57.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 10:58.20 | sphalerite | jelly: oh right I forgot to mention that I'm already on the backports kernel |
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| 10:59.01 | sphalerite | right so the modesetting X driver isn't what I want? |
| 10:59.22 | jelly | honestly I did not know that still existed. |
| 11:00.03 | jelly | but no, the common path is kernel modesetting (and it's the default) |
| 11:00.09 | jelly | for intel |
| 11:00.49 | sphalerite | yep, installing xserver-xorg-video-intel and restarting X did the trick. Thanks! |
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| 11:05.17 | jelly | sphalerite: for ivybridge, the backported kernel needed to match the backported x-x-video-intel; it's interesting to know it's the same with sandybridge (which shouldn't really need the bpo kernel at all, but you may have installed it for other reasons) |
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| 11:06.23 | jelly | sphalerite: or I misread. Did you get normal jessie xserver-xorg-video-intel or the backport. |
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| 11:24.06 | jelly | dagerik: trt-vm-sw03: Host not found |
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| 12:15.57 | SweetPear | Hello |
| 12:16.47 | SweetPear | Apt-get full-upgrade is stuck at "Installing new version of config file /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.conf ...", can anyone here tell me how to solve this? |
| 12:16.47 | MaBunny | ask here |
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| 12:21.42 | jelly | SweetPear: does anything happen if you press Ctrl-C there? |
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| 12:22.06 | SweetPear | I'm scared pressing Ctrl-C will mess up the upgrade |
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| 12:22.51 | SweetPear | jelly: because something similar happened before |
| 12:24.39 | jelly | SweetPear: whatever happens debian is supposed to recover the package manager state after that, do a "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install" afterwards |
| 12:24.58 | jelly | SweetPear: which debian release is this? |
| 12:25.48 | MaBunny | how do i edit /etc/default/grub file?i mean whats there to edit,the comments...will i hav to uncomment them? |
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| 12:26.26 | jelly | MaBunny: it depends on what you're trying to achieve. |
| 12:26.31 | SweetPear | jelly: Kali Linux |
| 12:26.39 | jelly | !kali |
| 12:26.39 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 12:26.52 | jelly | SweetPear: ask in #kali-linux, then |
| 12:26.58 | SweetPear | Alright |
| 12:27.36 | MaBunny | well,im trying to boot the fresh install of debian jes from a pendrive,and hav made a boot sector of 300mb on the beginning of the pendrive(16gb one) |
| 12:28.28 | MaBunny | but when i select it from the boot menu,it says tht normal.mod not found,though its definitely present there so |
| 12:28.29 | jelly | MaBunny: which OS do you have booted right now |
| 12:28.50 | MaBunny | i hav debian jes atm,and the fresh install is debian jes too |
| 12:28.59 | MaBunny | me a debian fan bro |
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| 12:30.35 | MaBunny | i want to load the grub console anyhow,bcoz loading the pendrive takes me to the grub rescue shell and i dont kno how to get into the console bcoz shift+c doesnt work |
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| 12:32.12 | rommel092079 | help. after install roundcube on debian 8, there is no file /etc/roundcube/main.inc.php |
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| 12:34.17 | rommel092079 | help pls |
| 12:34.37 | TomTomTo1 | rommel092079: Starting with Roundcube version 1.0 (current git master), there's one single config file (config/config.inc.php) (...) Older version have their configuration split in two files (config/main.inc.php and db.inc.php) |
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| 12:34.44 | TomTomTo1 | rommel092079: see https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/wiki/Configuration |
| 12:35.08 | rommel092079 | I see. thanks for the info |
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| 12:39.23 | MaBunny | anyone has a solution to my problemo? |
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| 12:42.19 | ByteStorm | srry got disconnected |
| 12:42.43 | ByteStorm | so |
| 12:42.56 | ByteStorm | jelly can you pls tell me? |
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| 12:48.39 | pron | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.18 | abrotman | like Putty? |
| 12:51.18 | ByteStorm | jelly how do i update grub.cfg of the fresh install,pls help me pal |
| 12:51.27 | jelly | ByteStorm: oh, you're MaBunny? |
| 12:51.35 | ByteStorm | yeah pl |
| 12:51.36 | pron | abrotman: putty doesnt have convinient session managment |
| 12:51.38 | ByteStorm | *pal |
| 12:51.44 | pron | abrotman: like iterm2/securecrt |
| 12:51.49 | ByteStorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.57 | ByteStorm | or ByteStorm |
| 12:52.00 | themill | pron: konsole can do all that |
| 12:52.04 | abrotman | pron: Putty is the only one I know of on Linux, it has the same clickable interface that it does on Windows |
| 12:52.51 | jelly | ByteStorm: you'll have to mount the usb stick / filesystem under eg. /mnt; then mount the usb /boot under /mnt/boot, then "chroot /mnt" then install grub to the usb stick /dev/sdX again |
| 12:53.14 | ByteStorm | ok |
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| 12:53.52 | ByteStorm | ok will try,but pls tell me when i ask later on |
| 12:53.57 | ByteStorm | pls be around |
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| 12:54.51 | jelly | ByteStorm: I'm busy and only get to look at irc some of the time. However many other people can help (re)installing grub on a second disk. |
| 12:55.11 | jelly | so ask the whole channel when you're stuck |
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| 12:55.12 | ByteStorm | ok,ill ask around,thnx pal |
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| 12:57.37 | Lionyx | if I wanna launch a program imune to the sighup signal on the bash logout, I use nohup mplayer music.mp3, for example. What if I already have a program started and want it not to close when I logout? |
| 12:58.09 | stoned | Lionyx: can't you run it in screen and then pause/detach |
| 12:58.38 | ByteStorm | ok guys,i hav managed to run "chroot /mnt"...whats next,how do i run the grub install process on the usb stick |
| 12:58.40 | stoned | GNU screen |
| 12:58.50 | Lionyx | but what if It's already running? Is there any way to nohup it? |
| 12:58.54 | stoned | ByteStorm: did you read the debian install guide? |
| 12:59.13 | stoned | https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 12:59.20 | stoned | https://wiki.debian.org/chroot |
| 12:59.22 | ByteStorm | its not a problem with the install process,which went will stoned |
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| 12:59.33 | ByteStorm | ok will look up |
| 12:59.39 | jelly | Lionyx: if the shell you ran it in has a "disown" internal command, you can try that |
| 12:59.53 | stoned | The method to chroot into something, bind your mounts, your dev node tree, etc. etc. from the outside env. |
| 12:59.57 | stoned | I'm unsure where you are |
| 13:00.07 | themill | Lionyx: disown |
| 13:00.22 | jelly | Lionyx: put the program into background, then disown that job |
| 13:00.51 | Lionyx | jelly: themill. thats it!!! tks :D |
| 13:00.55 | jelly | themill: unless that systemd thing kills it |
| 13:01.10 | stoned | Which debian adopted for some odd reason |
| 13:01.11 | themill | I didn't think that was enabled |
| 13:01.12 | stoned | :) |
| 13:02.06 | stoned | ByteStorm: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
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| 13:02.33 | stoned | ByteStorm: 3.6 |
| 13:03.09 | ByteStorm | yes my install uses kernel 3.16 |
| 13:03.23 | stoned | No, section 3.6 of this chapter |
| 13:03.28 | stoned | Setting up bootloader |
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| 13:03.33 | ByteStorm | ok |
| 13:03.36 | ByteStorm | thnx |
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| 13:07.50 | pron | abrotman: putties interface with multiple hundreds of hosts is pain ;D |
| 13:08.08 | abrotman | wonders if there is mputty for linux also |
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| 13:09.16 | pron | it looks liek i just stick with osx then =| |
| 13:10.04 | abrotman | pron: But I did just find https://sourceforge.net/projects/putty-nd/ |
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| 13:10.08 | Strykar | Can I enable ssh key-only login on port 22 and radius-only login on another port without running 2 instances of sshd? will login.defs help here |
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| 13:13.24 | abrotman | Strykar: I'd probably ask the openssh folks |
| 13:13.33 | abrotman | isn't sure why you'd do that though |
| 13:14.05 | pron | i am not sure if single openssh daemon can listen on multiple ports |
| 13:14.16 | Strykar | abrotman, I asked in #openbsd, and they suggested login.conf, but linux has login.defs and we'd need PAM to auth to radius. login.defs is system auth only |
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| 13:14.38 | pron | ah multiple port definitions |
| 13:14.43 | pron | will do the trick |
| 13:14.44 | abrotman | thre is a #openssh |
| 13:15.21 | Drzacek | Hi. I installed boost with "apt-get install libboost-all-dev". Where is it installed? How can I now use it? How can I link the libs when compiling with g++? |
| 13:15.28 | Strykar | abrotman, thanks |
| 13:16.16 | stoned | Drzacek: dpkg -L libboost-all-dev will give you the location of the files in the package, you link them however you link them in your configuration when building I suppose |
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| 13:16.56 | Strykar | pron, but how to tell sshd to serve only radius auth on the 2nd port |
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| 13:18.02 | Drzacek | stoned, yeah, that's the problem, I didn't found any info on linking boost |
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| 13:18.20 | stoned | Link to what? |
| 13:18.31 | Drzacek | boost filesystem for example |
| 13:18.56 | themill | Drzacek: what boost documentation are you looking at? |
| 13:19.04 | pron | Strykar: no clue =) |
| 13:19.34 | Strykar | fair enough, how would I setup another instance of sshd? |
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| 13:21.02 | Drzacek | themill, wait, I found some answer here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3593344/boost-linking-error-for-boost-filesystem-why |
| 13:21.25 | Drzacek | looks like it works |
| 13:21.28 | themill | stackoverflow isn't actually documentation :( |
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| 13:22.49 | Drzacek | themill, well, too bad official boost website doesn't provide the answers |
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| 13:23.19 | SPF | what's the difference between .gzip and .tar.gz ? |
| 13:23.29 | Drzacek | http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_61_0/more/getting_started/unix-variants.html#prepare-to-use-a-boost-library-binary |
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| 13:23.53 | Drzacek | don't see here anything similar |
| 13:24.24 | Drzacek | nor here http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_61_0/libs/filesystem/doc/index.htm |
| 13:24.51 | blind | SPF: never seen a .gzip file.. gzip gives files .gz extensions. |
| 13:25.24 | nkuttler | SPF: run file (1) on it |
| 13:25.35 | themill | Drzacek: if you're using a library called libfoo, you give the linker -lfoo -- that's standard across lots of compilers |
| 13:25.45 | abrotman | SPF: a .tar.gz is generally a zip of a tarball, a gzip can be just a single file |
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| 13:26.00 | SPF | I think .gzip is not official right? |
| 13:26.19 | SPF | it's either .gz or .tar.gz |
| 13:27.17 | blind | I mean you can really name a file anything you want. Extensions are mostly for humans (at least on Linux). |
| 13:27.18 | Drzacek | themill, if I use boost::filesystem I dont put lboost::filesystem. I'm not gonna guess how would that or that library be called, that should be put in docs |
| 13:28.05 | robsor | SPF: repeating what blind told you, there's no .gzip, just .gz and .tar.gz |
| 13:28.21 | robsor | gzip is the "type" of file |
| 13:28.28 | SPF | ok, thanks, it's clear to me now |
| 13:28.57 | simbalion | is there a particular reason not to install everything from backports? |
| 13:29.15 | nkuttler | simbalion: yes, things break |
| 13:29.56 | simbalion | nkuttler: I see, I will stick to using backports for specific things only then |
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| 13:34.05 | Lemonade1947 | I wonder if anyone can help me. |
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| 13:34.45 | Lemonade1947 | Everytime I try to run something under wine, I get the error about multiarch needing to be enabled. I've run the command it says to run, however this has changed nothing. |
| 13:36.04 | Walex | Lemonade1947: that's a bit vague... |
| 13:36.13 | Lemonade1947 | Running Jessie 8.5 64bit |
| 13:36.14 | jelly | Lemonade1947: if you want to run 32bit windows apps, you need to a) enable multiarch b) run apt-get update c) install wine32 |
| 13:36.34 | Lemonade1947 | when I try to install wine32, it tells me it's a depreciated package. |
| 13:36.48 | themill | "it" tells you precisely what? |
| 13:36.53 | Walex | Lemonade1947: antyhow enabling multiarch only enables it, it does not install the 32 bit version of packages |
| 13:37.34 | jelly | Lemonade1947: what about wine32:i386 or wine:i386 instead ? |
| 13:38.08 | jelly | Lemonade1947: can you please show actual commands you ran and their complete outputs? |
| 13:38.11 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:38.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:38.43 | Lemonade1947 | "Wine32 is not available, but is referred to by another package... However the following package replaces it "wine". Wine32 has no installation candidate" |
| 13:39.09 | Alam_Lenny | the commands, pastebin the command |
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| 13:39.27 | Lemonade1947 | Alam_Lenny, okay, one sec |
| 13:39.28 | jelly | ,v wine32 --arch i386 |
| 13:39.29 | judd | Package: wine32 on i386 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.3-2~bpo8+1; sid: 1.8.3-3; stretch: 1.8.3-3 |
| 13:39.43 | jelly | well fuck me if the bot thinks it actually exists |
| 13:39.57 | Alam_Lenny | also, wine for amd64 depends on wine32 from i386 side |
| 13:40.15 | Alam_Lenny | you need to setup dpkg to allow installtion of i386 packages |
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| 13:40.53 | Alam_Lenny | Lemonade1947: 'dpkg --print-architecture' |
| 13:41.02 | Lemonade1947 | ./sigh. How do you copy from terminal? |
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| 13:41.11 | vahe | hi all ,I have a strange situation,I don't know what to do)) I bought a minipc if you connect to an hdmi TV then the Internet is working (LAN) but if without a monitor or tv without it the Internet doesn't work)) mini pc pcg02u debian 8 |
| 13:41.12 | Alam_Lenny | please tell me that return 'amd64' |
| 13:41.13 | Lemonade1947 | I can't believe I've gotten this far and never needed to do that. |
| 13:41.27 | Alam_Lenny | Lemonade1947: which terminal are you using |
| 13:41.47 | Lemonade1947 | Alam_Lenny, it does indeed return amd64 |
| 13:41.48 | jelly | Lemonade1947: wild guess: you forgot to "apt-get update" after doing "dpkg --add-architecture i386" |
| 13:42.07 | Alam_Lenny | jelly: correct |
| 13:42.17 | Lemonade1947 | I'll try, but I don't think I did forget. |
| 13:42.19 | Alam_Lenny | well, half |
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| 13:43.28 | Lemonade1947 | I think I am doing something seriously wrong here. |
| 13:43.42 | Lemonade1947 | When I do apt-get update, I get a load of shit about CD roms. |
| 13:43.44 | Alam_Lenny | well? we are not mind readers |
| 13:43.55 | Alam_Lenny | Lemonade1947: ignore them |
| 13:44.10 | Alam_Lenny | you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the cd-rom lines |
| 13:44.16 | robsor | edit your source list and comment those lines |
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| 13:45.59 | Alam_Lenny | the lines are there so, if you have the Debian CD/DVD, it use them as a package source, useful if you do have alot of network bandwidth or have a cap |
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| 13:48.13 | Lemonade1947 | how do I grab text from x-term? |
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| 13:48.47 | Alam_Lenny | hehe, that old thing? |
| 13:49.05 | Lemonade1947 | What do you reccomend? :P |
| 13:49.10 | SerajewelKS | Lemonade1947: select it, then middle-click where you want to paste it |
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| 13:49.32 | Lemonade1947 | SerajewelKS, thanks |
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| 13:51.08 | Alam_Lenny | just remeber there are 2 clipboards in X11, I think xterm to, what it called? cut buffers? |
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| 13:51.16 | Lemonade1947 | that's the output when I update |
| 13:51.16 | Lemonade1947 | http://pastebin.com/G55FWfmA |
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| 13:52.02 | Alam_Lenny | cat you pastebin /etc/apt/soruces.list |
| 13:52.10 | Lemonade1947 | yup |
| 13:52.12 | Lemonade1947 | one sec |
| 13:53.27 | Lemonade1947 | http://pastebin.com/UmES1QBK |
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| 13:54.03 | AlexLikeRock | cancel : |
| 13:54.10 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.37 | AlexLikeRock | uncheck from synaptic |
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| 13:54.53 | Lemonade1947 | huh? |
| 13:55.00 | Lemonade1947 | What specifically do I need to do. |
| 13:55.09 | Lemonade1947 | Sorry I need my hand holding. |
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| 13:55.51 | AlexLikeRock | im bussy Leonard |
| 13:55.54 | nickname234 | Guys, I installed package with dpkg -i foo.deb. How to run this application now? |
| 13:55.57 | AlexLikeRock | some one elses |
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| 13:57.07 | babilen | nickname234: Run "dpkg -L foo" and check what you actually installed. That doesn't sound like an official Debian package so it is unlikely to be supported by us |
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| 13:57.37 | nickname234 | babilen, thank you |
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| 13:58.07 | Alam_Lenny | Lemonade1947: are you using 'apt-get update' ? |
| 13:58.14 | Lemonade1947 | yes? |
| 13:58.18 | Lemonade1947 | what else? :P |
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| 13:58.24 | babilen | Lemonade1947: You want to remove line 2-6 from your sources.list and you probably also want to make sure that your entries end in "main contrib non-free" (which allows you to install non-free software) |
| 13:58.52 | Alam_Lenny | nvm, missed the top line |
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| 13:59.39 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 13:59.45 | tobiasBora | I have a strange problem : |
| 13:59.52 | tobiasBora | I would like to install meshlab https://packages.debian.org/sid/meshlab |
| 14:00.09 | tobiasBora | However "apt install meshlab" tells me that the program doesn't exists |
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| 14:00.43 | tobiasBora | Here is the paste of my /etc/apt/source.list : http://paste.debian.net/789885/ |
| 14:01.21 | babilen | judd: v meshlab |
| 14:01.21 | judd | Package: meshlab on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.0a+dfsg1-3; jessie: 1.3.2+dfsg1-2+b1; sid: 1.3.2+dfsg1-2+b4 |
| 14:01.24 | Alam_Lenny | tobiasBora: the package is not in testing |
| 14:01.25 | tobiasBora | The error is like "No version of the package meshlab is available, but it exists in the databse" |
| 14:01.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell tobiasBora -about tum |
| 14:02.01 | Lemonade1947 | babilen, now looks like this http://pastebin.com/5FqvTfhC |
| 14:02.03 | babilen | tobiasBora: You can pull it from unstable (which you should have in your sources.list anyway) with "apt -t unstable install meshlab" |
| 14:02.16 | babilen | Lemonade1947: Ah, could you use a different pastebin in the future (such as http://paste.debian.net ) ? |
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| 14:02.31 | babilen | Lemonade1947: No, you removed too much |
| 14:02.31 | Lemonade1947 | yes, but why? |
| 14:02.36 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 14:02.36 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 14:02.50 | robsor | tobiasBora: "You should be able to use any of the listed mirrors by adding a line to your /etc/apt/sources.list like this: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main" |
| 14:03.02 | Lemonade1947 | babilen, Fair enough :P |
| 14:03.05 | Alam_Lenny | Lemonade1947: what in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 14:03.41 | babilen | Lemonade1947: http://paste.debian.net/789889/ |
| 14:03.58 | Lemonade1947 | Alam_Lenny, just "playonlinux.list" |
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| 14:04.00 | tobiasBora | You mean that a package can be in unstable, and stable, but not in testing ? Strange ^^ |
| 14:04.07 | babilen | tobiasBora: Please also note that testing and unstable are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:04.28 | themill | tobiasBora: packages get removed from testing all the time |
| 14:04.51 | babilen | tobiasBora: Package removals from testing are quite common .. it was (and is) not a release that is meant to be used by users, but simply a tool to prepare the next release. I'd therefore recommend to configure the "tum" setup (testing unstable mix) |
| 14:05.14 | themill | in this case because it can't be compiled (#811634) |
| 14:05.49 | babilen | Lemonade1947: Does it work with the sources.list I just pasted? |
| 14:07.22 | Guest8 | If I install a package from jessie backports, what will happen once I upgrade to Debian 9? Do I have to re-install it for it not to be part of the backports repo or will it be moved to the main repo automatically on upgrade? |
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| 14:07.46 | tobiasBora | dpkg: tell tobiasBora -about tum |
| 14:08.04 | Lemonade1947 | babilen, Nope, exactly the same error |
| 14:08.16 | babilen | dpkg: show sources.list |
| 14:08.16 | dpkg | Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 14:08.25 | babilen | Lemonade1947: Could you run ^ and paste that and your error to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:08.41 | Lemonade1947 | babilen, run what? |
| 14:09.18 | babilen | "head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" |
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| 14:10.15 | Lemonade1947 | babilen, |
| 14:10.17 | Lemonade1947 | http://paste.debian.net/789892/ |
| 14:10.31 | tobiasBora | I will try the "tum", thank you ! After maybe I should switch everything to unstable... |
| 14:10.56 | tobiasBora | And why shouldn't I put the security repo in unstable also ? |
| 14:11.07 | babilen | Lemonade1947: So, if you run "apt update" now .. what's the error? |
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| 14:11.24 | binia | oh lol |
| 14:11.31 | binia | i thought im in #sentos |
| 14:11.37 | binia | that apt waked me up |
| 14:11.38 | Lemonade1947 | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/789893/ |
| 14:11.41 | babilen | binia: This is #debian :) |
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| 14:12.43 | themill | Lemonade1947: can you delete the files within /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ and retry that? |
| 14:12.57 | han-solo | my system just ubruptly restarts |
| 14:13.04 | binia | babilen, i thought this is sparta! |
| 14:13.06 | binia | my bad |
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| 14:13.14 | han-solo | how can i find what's wrong with it, using dmesg or journalctl? |
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| 14:13.53 | binia | would be wise to run it in rescue mode and check ogs first i guess |
| 14:13.55 | Lemonade1947 | themill, |
| 14:13.57 | Lemonade1947 | no change. |
| 14:14.06 | binia | lgs* |
| 14:14.08 | Lemonade1947 | Sorry, I keep pressing enter after writing peoples names. |
| 14:14.12 | binia | logs* |
| 14:14.14 | han-solo | ogs? |
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| 14:14.19 | han-solo | oh! |
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| 14:14.45 | binia | you need to know what hwappens first |
| 14:14.55 | binia | cant find out if it keeps rebooting isnt it |
| 14:15.05 | binia | run it in rescue, check logs and take steps |
| 14:15.31 | binia | dont foget to mount actual disk first |
| 14:16.15 | binia | well, that was fun |
| 14:16.20 | binia | is a goner |
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| 14:16.39 | binia | my cluster has almost 1TB ram |
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| 14:16.48 | binia | i want it to tell my more :d |
| 14:16.53 | binia | me |
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| 14:17.16 | binia | only 142Tb hdd space :( |
| 14:17.44 | binia | if anyone is after some low or high specs vps's |
| 14:17.52 | binia | feel free to pm |
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| 14:18.24 | jelly | binia: how often you do you make and keep and check validity of backups? |
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| 14:18.57 | jelly | note: backups have to be on a different storage system, preferably on a different location |
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| 14:22.34 | Lemonade1947 | So am I out of options? |
| 14:23.06 | FinalX | jelly: backups? can you eat those? :P |
| 14:23.17 | tamtron | I'm staring at a grub rescue prompt and no matter what partition I try to ls it comes back "error: unknown filesystem" How fucked is my Debian OS? |
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| 14:25.28 | jelly | FinalX: that's what my last vps provider said! |
| 14:25.58 | jelly | then they had a catastrohic storage array failure |
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| 14:27.13 | FinalX | I run my own server with LXC containers, ZFS storage and off-site snapshot backups; and a VPS at transip.nl (transip.eu) that also use ZFS storage arrays afaik :) .. at the same time I also ahve a $19/year VPS in .us somewhere, of which I know it's shit and won't have backups, but I don't need that there anyway :) |
| 14:27.37 | FinalX | but there's also plenty of crap I don't backup :P |
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| 14:28.17 | FinalX | storage at my company is severely backed up on multiple locations with a ton of copies per location, though |
| 14:28.18 | babilen | Lemonade1947: What do you mean? |
| 14:28.20 | FinalX | :) |
| 14:28.35 | Lemonade1947 | Well it's still not working, babilen |
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| 14:31.51 | radw62 | hi, in my fresh debian install, I found that at startup, I have no ping |
| 14:32.07 | radw62 | i have to restart the networking service to get it |
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| 14:32.34 | radw62 | maybe is because the "allow-hotplug eth0" line in /etc/networking/interfaces file ?? |
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| 14:35.52 | Lemonade1947 | okay so interesting developement. |
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| 14:36.37 | Lemonade1947 | I had 1386 instead of i386 |
| 14:37.16 | Lemonade1947 | so my apt-get update now doesn't throw any errors. |
| 14:37.24 | sphalerite | why is desmume in jessie and sid but not stretch? |
| 14:37.25 | Lemonade1947 | I'll tell you in a sec if it fixed the wine problem |
| 14:37.44 | jelly | sphalerite: /msg dpkg why is desmume not in testing |
| 14:38.20 | Lemonade1947 | It fixed it. |
| 14:38.37 | Lemonade1947 | However now I'm getting "Bad EXE format for Z:\home\joe\Downloads\foobar2000_v1.3.10.exe." |
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| 14:48.01 | tamtron | anyone willing to help a slightly panicy idiot staring at a grub rescue console? Seems all partitions come back unknown filesystem :( |
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| 14:49.09 | jhutchins | tamtron: How many partitions do you have? Do you have a live/rescue disc or flash drive? |
| 14:49.59 | tamtron | lives in hyper-V. grub shows 2 hd's with 2 msdos parts on each. |
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| 14:50.55 | tamtron | hd1,2 shows just a lost and found folder, so I'm pretty sure the OS disk is hd0 |
| 14:51.12 | Strykar | could someone get the bot to post the instructions for adding deb-src unstable and creating my own backport? |
| 14:51.30 | jhutchins | tamtron: Sounds like your VM image is corrupt. |
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| 14:51.54 | jhutchins | tamtron: lost&found should be an ext* partition. |
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| 14:52.39 | tamtron | jhutchins: no chance of recovery? no last ditch tricks? At least I can restore from backup, was just really hoping not to... |
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| 14:55.40 | jhutchins | tamtron: If you could boot to another image, like a live iso, you could run fsck on the partitions, but if they're showing as MSDOS it probably wouldn't work. |
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| 15:01.34 | sphalerite | jelly: wow, neat! Thanks |
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| 15:03.29 | tamtron | damn. Thanks for the advice jhutchins |
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| 15:25.52 | HD|Laptop | Hi all |
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| 15:26.39 | HD|Laptop | I have a CSV from a website form... something with either the form, the submit script or the CSV export went broke, all I have is the CSV file, and one name has the byte sequence "CC C4 E5 FC" |
| 15:26.53 | HD|Laptop | how do I use iconv(or whatever) to iterate through all possible input charsets? |
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| 15:31.15 | Guest8 | What happens when I install a package from jessie backports and later upgrade to Debian 9? Will it remain in the backports repo or will it be "upgraded" to the regular repo? |
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| 15:31.56 | greycat | Depends on whether a package by the exact same name exists in stretch. |
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| 15:32.17 | Guest8 | and that is commonly the case? |
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| 15:32.33 | greycat | Stop being flighty and hand-wavey and name the package. |
| 15:32.51 | somiaj | with backport packages they will usually only backport versions from the next relese (stretch) in this case, and then they put a version number that is a 'less than' the streetch number, so it should upgrade nicely. |
| 15:33.16 | somiaj | note the upgrade path with jessie-backports is never as well tested, but the packages are made to nicely upgrade to stretch due to how they version them. |
| 15:33.20 | greycat | Again, assuming the package still exists in stretch by that same name at the time you finally upgrade. |
| 15:33.58 | jelly | Guest8: packages in backports are made to have a version number strictly lower than the package version in testing they're created from |
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| 15:34.40 | jelly | so the system will at least _try_ to upgrade it during the release upgrade procedure |
| 15:34.57 | Guest8 | oh ok, cool |
| 15:35.22 | themill | assuming such an upgrade path exists (it won't for the kernel packages, for instance) |
| 15:35.26 | greycat | Unless the package was subsequently removed from stretch (e.g. due to unresolved release critical bugs) or was replaced by a newer version-named package (as may occur with libraries). |
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| 15:35.42 | greycat | And yeah, kernels are another case where it all falls apart. |
| 15:35.46 | somiaj | it will be a rare case the package is removed from streetch and you are left with the jessie-backports version. If it is a package name change or similar situation they put transitional packages into place. |
| 15:36.10 | themill | Those cases are the normal obsolete package from the dist-upgrade though; aptitude search ~o |
| 15:36.37 | greycat | somiaj: do they? how many different versions of libdns* do you have? |
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| 15:37.13 | greycat | http://wooledge.org/~greg/paste/4 |
| 15:37.59 | themill | greycat: yeah, so you need to do some cleanup after dist-upgrading.... that's not news |
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| 15:38.49 | greycat | So I easily envision the scenario where user installs backported dnsutils + libs, stretch moves on to new dnsutils + libs... |
| 15:39.17 | greycat | All this could be avoid if the user would stop being a stubborn ass and name the damned package. |
| 15:39.21 | greycat | avoided* |
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| 15:39.45 | themill | sure, but that will be no different to hundreds of other library packages in a jessieâstretch upgrade. |
| 15:40.03 | greycat | But nooooo, it's IRC so we have to CONSTRUCT EVERY GOD DAMNED POSSIBLE SCENARIO in the entire universe. |
| 15:41.43 | themill | tbf, this is actually one of the situations where the abstract question can be answered and is a legitimate question: will I have crap to clean up from jessie-backports after I upgrade to stretch? yes. |
| 15:42.15 | jhutchins | me wonders how much cruft is left from his upgrades since etch... |
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| 15:42.16 | jelly | greycat: hey, I had 14 or 17 libdb's at one point |
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| 15:42.34 | jhutchins | A slash would have made that work better. |
| 15:43.02 | greycat | I wonder why my libdns16 is still installed but libdns22 through libdns58 are removed-not-purged. |
| 15:43.24 | jelly | who cares as long as it's markedauto |
| 15:43.39 | jelly | "some day this, too, shall pass" |
| 15:44.26 | greycat | Yes, eventually the machine dies and is replaced by a newer one that is installed from a newer stable Debian base. |
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| 15:45.34 | themill | heh |
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| 15:46.43 | jelly | ah, I still have 15 berkeley dbs. |
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| 15:47.24 | jelly | http://paste.debian.net/789908/ never give up, never reinstall |
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| 15:48.23 | greycat | that 5.2 gap. |
| 15:48.34 | jelly | the inflow of bdb-s seems to have stopped when oracle about sleepycat? |
| 15:48.53 | jelly | I guess debian skipped 5.2 |
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| 15:49.32 | jelly | s/about/bought/ |
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| 15:50.35 | nickenchuggets | so, tmux isn't setting TERM to screen-256color... |
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| 15:51.03 | jelly | does it not have its own terminfo? |
| 15:51.06 | nickenchuggets | https://gist.github.com/brlafreniere/5404833ee6bd6454da00daf672639cde |
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| 15:52.27 | nickenchuggets | I don't know |
| 15:52.48 | nickenchuggets | but I read that while running tmux it's important that TERM be set to screen or screen-256color |
| 15:52.54 | greycat | What does it set TERM to, and why are you not happy with whatever it is? |
| 15:53.07 | nickenchuggets | weechat mentioned it |
| 15:53.13 | nickenchuggets | see, you get rendering problems if it's not screen-256color within weechat |
| 15:54.02 | nickenchuggets | it has to be screen* if you're running weechat inside tmux |
| 15:54.17 | nickenchuggets | otherwise weechat will have rendering issues |
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| 15:54.50 | nickenchuggets | it's weird because I thought I fixed this by setting TERM inside my .bash_profile file |
| 15:55.00 | greycat | That's a VERY bad idea. Don't do that. |
| 15:55.01 | nickenchuggets | allowing TERM to be overridden by ~/.tmux.conf |
| 15:55.13 | greycat | OK, tmux.conf sounds more reasonable. |
| 15:55.29 | nickenchuggets | in .bash_profile I set term to xterm-256color |
| 15:55.33 | greycat | Don't do that. |
| 15:55.36 | nickenchuggets | why not |
| 15:56.00 | greycat | The TERM variable should be set by your TERMINAL. How can your generic login dot file know what kind of terminal you are logging ingo? |
| 15:56.03 | greycat | into8 |
| 15:56.19 | nickenchuggets | I see |
| 15:56.32 | greycat | E.g. when you are on the Linux text console, your TERM variable is set to 'linux', |
| 15:56.57 | greycat | and when you open a urxvt terminal, it is set to 'rxvt-unicode', and so on. |
| 15:57.31 | nickenchuggets | interesting |
| 15:57.37 | jelly | and when you open a konsole, it's bloody "xterm" |
| 15:57.43 | nickenchuggets | lmao |
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| 15:58.08 | nickenchuggets | well, it looks like my problem is fixed |
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| 15:58.23 | nickenchuggets | I removed that line from my .bash_profile that sets TERM to xterm-256color |
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| 15:58.37 | nickenchuggets | and tmux sets TERM appropriately now |
| 15:58.40 | jelly | imagine that |
| 15:58.42 | nickenchuggets | so, thanks |
| 15:58.43 | greycat | I do wish more terminals would use standard database entries like 'xterm' instead of making up their own, so you wouldn't have to keep scp'ing decompiled terminfo files across systems and recompiling them... |
| 15:58.44 | nickenchuggets | :> |
| 15:58.53 | jelly | it was setting TERM correctly the whole time |
| 15:59.19 | nickenchuggets | uh, how |
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| 15:59.30 | nickenchuggets | what do you mean |
| 15:59.50 | greycat | (though to be fair, I'm more likely to just brute-force TERM to something old and simple than to do the full scp/tic dance) |
| 15:59.54 | nickenchuggets | and no, it wasn't |
| 15:59.56 | nickenchuggets | tmux was not able to change TERM to screen-256color |
| 16:00.00 | nickenchuggets | that was my problem |
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| 16:00.33 | jelly | nickenchuggets: step 1) you tell tmux to open a new "screen" step 2) tmux prepares enviroment, opens a new tty step 3) tmux runs bash inside that tty step 4) bash overrides the setting |
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| 16:00.49 | nickenchuggets | ok fine |
| 16:01.03 | nickenchuggets | if you want to be technical about it,s ure |
| 16:01.04 | nickenchuggets | sure* |
| 16:02.10 | jelly | nickenchuggets: if you put that bash setting back, but open a weechat command _directly_ with tmux, you might be able to confirm |
| 16:02.41 | nickenchuggets | that's okay :p |
| 16:02.53 | greycat | Or if you aren't that curious about the technical details, you can just live with your newly fixed system. |
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| 16:03.03 | nickenchuggets | that's the plan, stan |
| 16:03.49 | jelly | not knowing anything about tmux, I suspect doing the equivalent of screen's <ctrl-a> :screen 5 weechat <enter> would magically make a working weechat |
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| 16:05.10 | stoned | TERM=rxvt-256color and weechat works fine in screen w/ colors. |
| 16:05.25 | stoned | I've not heard of a screen-256color but then again I'm stoned |
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| 16:05.52 | jelly | that you are, stoned, that you are :-D |
| 16:06.01 | catbeard | Exception: The configuration directory type 'active' does not exist in /home/awards/public_html/core/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 156 |
| 16:06.20 | stoned | :) |
| 16:06.32 | catbeard | oops, wrong channel |
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| 16:08.26 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 16:08.26 | dpkg | perlmonkey: grow a sense of humor |
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| 16:09.28 | nemeci | hi debian users, hello from fedora users |
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| 16:21.16 | DB2016 | hi guys, i brought a dedicated server today. would like to set it up for file transfer and map the dedicated server as my Network Drive. |
| 16:21.19 | DB2016 | any guides on this |
| 16:25.56 | DB2016 | hi |
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| 16:32.51 | hiya | Why is Debian using btrfs by default for Full disk encryption? it is causing a lot of issues when we don't have separate /home |
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| 16:34.00 | geeg | : |
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| 16:34.56 | hiya | geeg, hey |
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| 16:35.20 | DB2016 | hi guys, i brought a dedicated server today. would like to set it up for file transfer and map the dedicated server as my Network Drive. |
| 16:35.20 | DB2016 | any guides on this |
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| 16:37.35 | jelly | DB2016: which OS on the client? |
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| 16:38.09 | jelly | assuming debian on the server |
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| 16:39.23 | DB2016 | debian 7 |
| 16:39.30 | DB2016 | jelly: debian 7 |
| 16:39.34 | hiya | Klaus_D1eter_, Does Debian install btrfs by default? Or only in text mode with Full Disk encryption? |
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| 16:40.04 | hiya | jelly, hey what is the default FS? when you use Full Disk encryption on whole disk without separate /home |
| 16:40.05 | jelly | DB2016: eh, if you already have openssh-server on the server, just use sshfs to mount it. |
| 16:40.22 | jelly | hiya: ext4 I think |
| 16:40.23 | DB2016 | how do i check or do that |
| 16:40.30 | DB2016 | jelly: thanks |
| 16:40.42 | jelly | DB2016: if you can log in with ssh, you have it. |
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| 16:40.57 | hiya | I don't know why would it show btrfs for me |
| 16:41.15 | digdilem | DB2016, agree, sshfs a good way to do it. Other, less secure methods are samba and nfs |
| 16:41.22 | jelly | DB2016: just learn to use sshfs, it has some interesting options |
| 16:42.30 | DB2016 | ok sure il google on that yep i can ssh |
| 16:42.39 | hiya | omg so when you select Recommend or new user option when you are doing Full Disk encryption (LVM) it gives you btrfs which is not good for 3.16 kernel |
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| 16:43.00 | jelly | hiya: which debian release are you trying to install? |
| 16:43.01 | DB2016 | thanks guys |
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| 16:47.23 | prussian | does it matter? btrfs is stable hiya |
| 16:48.02 | jelly | heh |
| 16:48.46 | baraba | i tried to install new memory into the computer |
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| 16:49.01 | baraba | fucked up my boot partition on SSD |
| 16:49.08 | baraba | now i can't boot into debian |
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| 16:49.22 | baraba | has anyone had a similar problem |
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| 16:49.56 | baraba | i tried running badblocks |
| 16:50.02 | baraba | but no errors are reported |
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| 16:51.27 | jelly | baraba: does the partition table still exist? |
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| 16:52.05 | baraba | it seems so |
| 16:52.08 | baraba | how do i check |
| 16:52.12 | baraba | i tried reinstalling grub |
| 16:52.24 | baraba | says filesystem not recognized |
| 16:52.54 | baraba | the partition is browseable from another system on the HDD |
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| 16:53.24 | hiya | jelly, Debian 8 |
| 16:53.26 | hiya | with Live CD |
| 16:53.31 | hiya | prussian, yes it does, because they thing is "it has issues if you have older versions of Linux like < 4.0.4 etc" read the wiki |
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| 16:54.19 | radw62 | im upgrading debian, if this could fix the networking not giving ping at startup |
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| 16:54.47 | prussian | then go to sid lol |
| 16:55.05 | dgr48 | hello, anyone here tried to install x2go on debian jessie following their (X2Go) guide? It gives me unmet dependencies... Thanks in advance. |
| 16:55.06 | stoned | !dnuts |
| 16:55.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade> and <sid faq> |
| 16:55.12 | stoned | Don't. |
| 16:55.12 | jelly | hiya: does the same thing happen with the netinst media? |
| 16:55.56 | jelly | prussian: please avoid giving people potentially harmful advice, even jokingly |
| 16:56.06 | prussian | ..... |
| 16:56.11 | prussian | ok |
| 16:56.12 | hiya | prussian, it is not supported here |
| 16:56.15 | stoned | Thanks. |
| 16:56.21 | hiya | prussian, heh, hows u? |
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| 16:56.28 | prussian | fine hiya |
| 16:56.32 | hiya | jelly, I have not tried owing to slow internet |
| 16:56.38 | prussian | I wouldn't worry |
| 16:57.01 | hiya | jelly, but when you select Text mode in Live CD and then Select Recommend for new user Encrypted LVM full disk without /home 1st option |
| 16:57.03 | hiya | then you get it |
| 16:57.06 | hiya | try |
| 16:57.09 | hiya | prussian, ok |
| 16:57.24 | prussian | hiya the "version" you see in uname isn't necessarily what version from upstream youre running. Debian may have formed and patched it differently than upstream.... FYI.. |
| 16:57.41 | prussian | again. I don't think btrfs will be an issue |
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| 16:58.12 | jelly | hiya: I'd ask about it in #debian-boot over on irc.oftc.net to confirm whether btrfs is really supposed to be the default in this case, before filing a bug report |
| 16:58.21 | pingfloyd | I don't think that's hiya's point. The question is whether he is using an installer for stable that is supported. |
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| 16:59.30 | pingfloyd | if he is, it shouldn't be using btrfs as a default FS |
| 16:59.47 | hiya | pingfloyd, I am, it is Debian Jessie Live CD |
| 16:59.55 | pingfloyd | hiya: yeah, but which live image |
| 17:00.04 | hiya | So how does it change? |
| 17:00.12 | hiya | jelly, Does it matter if I use Live CD? |
| 17:00.38 | hiya | prussian, k I did not know |
| 17:00.51 | jelly | hiya: yes it's built and calls d-i a bit differently than the installer iso, as far as I remember |
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| 17:01.19 | jelly | hiya: but still people in #debian-boot are responsible for the installer code |
| 17:01.51 | pingfloyd | hiya: this all really hinges on whether the installer image you're using is stable and supported. |
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| 17:03.56 | hiya | pingfloyd, yes it is |
| 17:03.59 | hiya | and supported |
| 17:04.21 | hiya | But thanks guys |
| 17:04.44 | hiya | I was almost losing my faith in Debian and now it is better smooth even with Main repo being a FSF fan |
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| 17:04.57 | hiya | it beat Trisquel in terms of stability and smoothness now |
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| 17:06.39 | greycat | throws Trisquel back into the blender |
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| 17:09.18 | jelly | hiya: do you happen to know excatly which live image you downloaded that does this? |
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| 17:11.15 | hiya | jelly, yes |
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| 17:13.07 | babilen | and? |
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| 17:13.37 | hiya | jelly, wait I give you exactly version ok? |
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| 17:16.00 | hiya | Debian jessie 20150425-14:08 |
| 17:16.04 | hiya | this is the version I have ^ |
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| 17:16.17 | radw62 | yes, upgrading debian fix the networking issue |
| 17:16.39 | jelly | hiya: 2015 04? that's very, very old |
| 17:16.52 | radw62 | is about endin boot up, and give ping |
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| 17:18.05 | hiya | jelly, Description: Last updated: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:54:45 +0100 |
| 17:18.09 | jelly | hiya: when you can, please test again with an image from the 8.5 point release |
| 17:18.18 | jelly | that sounds like the initial 8.0 |
| 17:18.36 | hiya | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:18.57 | jelly | hiya: all sorts of bugs have been fixed in the meantime |
| 17:19.06 | hiya | jelly, ok I would, so should I download the new ISO? |
| 17:19.19 | jelly | yes |
| 17:19.20 | hiya | ok |
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| 17:22.04 | hiya | jelly, wow the installer is just 650MB CD-1 is all I need right? |
| 17:22.25 | hiya | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 17:22.29 | hiya | I am downloading this |
| 17:22.38 | jelly | hiya: use the netinst image if you don't need Gnome |
| 17:22.48 | greycat | Use the netinst image even if you do want GNOME. |
| 17:23.05 | jelly | hiya: it will however require a network connection at install time |
| 17:23.08 | greycat | Only use a non-netinst image if you are installing without Internet access. |
| 17:23.19 | afernandez_ | Hello |
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| 17:23.54 | jelly | hiya: if you use a wireless card, you're probably better off getting the images with non-free firmware right away |
| 17:23.55 | hiya | I do not have good Internet |
| 17:23.57 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 17:23.57 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 17:24.11 | afernandez_ | I have purchased an ssd 250 gb HD and i have an 80 gb hd I need to clone so i can get more space |
| 17:24.25 | hiya | my laptop works with free firmwares |
| 17:24.29 | afernandez_ | cmd: Welcome to fdisk (util-linux 2.25.2). |
| 17:24.31 | afernandez_ | cmd: Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them. |
| 17:24.32 | afernandez_ | cmd: Be careful before using the write command. |
| 17:24.36 | afernandez_ | oops |
| 17:24.53 | afernandez_ | cmd: Disk /dev/sda: 74.5 GiB, 80000000000 bytes, 156250000 sectors |
| 17:24.54 | afernandez_ | cmd: Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes |
| 17:24.55 | jelly | that's not careful! |
| 17:24.56 | afernandez_ | cmd: Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes |
| 17:24.57 | afernandez_ | cmd: I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes |
| 17:24.57 | Klaus_D1eter_ | this was a textmode install from a grml USB stick with debootstrapno idea what the installer does |
| 17:24.59 | afernandez_ | cmd: Disklabel type: dos |
| 17:25.00 | afernandez_ | cmd: Disk identifier: 0x00062d9b |
| 17:25.02 | afernandez_ | cmd: Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type |
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| 17:25.03 | afernandez_ | cmd: /dev/sda1 2048 77813759 77811712 37.1G 83 Linux |
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| 17:25.24 | jelly | afernandez_: msg me when your client has stopped pasting crap |
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| 17:27.31 | jelly | afernandez_: now be more careful and use paste.debian.net |
| 17:27.36 | radw62 | does fdisk not came with debian ?? |
| 17:27.42 | sm00th | it does |
| 17:27.56 | sm00th | maybe depending what iso how you installed |
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| 17:28.07 | sm00th | kde iso it does |
| 17:28.08 | radw62 | i type fdisk -l and bash said command not found |
| 17:28.21 | sm00th | what iso did you use and are you using de? |
| 17:28.30 | sm00th | did you check its hash? |
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| 17:28.40 | sm00th | I thought it a core file maybe not though i'm pretty noob myself |
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| 17:29.01 | sm00th | radw62, new install? |
| 17:29.27 | sm00th | check the gpg sig on the iso |
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| 17:30.08 | radw62 | smm00: debian-live-8.1.0-i386-lxde-desktop |
| 17:30.20 | sm00th | oh maybe cause its live iso |
| 17:30.22 | radw62 | however i just upgrade it with apt |
| 17:30.36 | sm00th | maybe debian live don't have that command check what package its in |
| 17:30.40 | radw62 | for fix the networking issue at startup |
| 17:30.41 | jelly | radw62: fdisk command is not available in normal user's PATH, it's in /sbin |
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| 17:30.54 | sm00th | use sudo |
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| 17:31.16 | radw62 | ohh yes |
| 17:31.24 | radw62 | i was missing sudo for fdisk |
| 17:31.35 | radw62 | i use often ddf -h |
| 17:31.57 | Klaus_D1eter_ | hiya ^ - the system is very customized because ofvthis. |
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| 17:33.14 | sm00th | radw62, I don't know that command lol |
| 17:34.04 | sm00th | oh df -h |
| 17:34.10 | sm00th | ya i use that for space |
| 17:34.16 | sm00th | use% |
| 17:34.56 | hiya | Klaus_D1eter_, ok |
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| 17:47.36 | radw62 | im start to set debian as iscsi target |
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| 17:51.10 | radw62 | my plan is add 3 150gb disks to debian, mount it , and then put them as the 3 iscsi target untis |
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| 18:12.16 | DB20167 | hi guys was here earlier |
| 18:12.28 | DB20167 | may i know how can i reset or reformat my dedicated server |
| 18:13.01 | nkuttler | put an installer cd in it and reinstall? |
| 18:13.21 | jelly | DB20167: you'll probably want to ask your provider if you don't have remote console or remote .iso booting access |
| 18:13.33 | greycat | Depends greatly on what you mean by "dedicated server" and what kinds of access you have to it. |
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| 18:13.55 | greycat | If you don't have direct physical access, and are working through a providing company as jelly guesses, then definitely talk to them. |
| 18:14.14 | DB20167 | can it be done via ssh |
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| 18:14.24 | greycat | In general, no. |
| 18:14.43 | DB20167 | and on cpanl i have bootmode |
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| 18:16.03 | DB20167 | ok thanks |
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| 18:17.35 | d3vlin | hi all, I have just swapped my motherboard and now the PC boots to a screen with only the text GRUB. Any keypress bring up the BIOS screen. |
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| 18:19.40 | d3vlin | I suspect I have to update the grub config to point it to the right device, but I can't change anything since any keypress goes to bios? |
| 18:20.10 | d3vlin | any GRUB experts around? :) |
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| 18:24.39 | greycat | Is there any way to make apt-get use a SOCKS proxy, or to make apt-get pass along some kind of HTTP header that tells HTTP proxies to get un-bent, ignore cache, pull from parent, whatever? |
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| 18:26.55 | jhutchins | d3vlin: I think you need to check the settings in the BIOS. |
| 18:27.18 | jhutchins | d3vlin: That and/or check for references to the new motherboard and linux or debian on the web. |
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| 18:31.57 | greycat | Dumping the HTTP headers (environment) on my web server, I have: HTTP_VIA=1.1 imadev:3128 (squid/2.7.STABLE9), 1.0 wfmc-cluster AC1AF88F |
| 18:32.13 | greycat | I'm guessing "wfmc-cluster" is the workplace proxy. Any ideas how to un-fuck it? |
| 18:32.16 | d3vlin | jhutchins: yeah, I am trying anyting UEFI/Secureboot related now |
| 18:32.40 | d3vlin | I can't find much on the internet about GRUB always going to BIOS |
| 18:33.40 | petemc | greycat: cache control header |
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| 18:34.19 | greycat | petemc: what header, what should it contain, and how do I inject it into apt-get commands? |
| 18:34.21 | d3vlin | I have disabled secure boot, unloaded the platform keys and put OS type to Other OS (B85 Plus/USB 3.1 mobo btw) |
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| 18:35.30 | petemc | greycat: there are various settings, and its done on the content server, so no use to you in this instance |
| 18:35.34 | petemc | i had read back.. |
| 18:35.39 | petemc | hadnt |
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| 18:40.37 | afx_ | Hello ! I am using debian 8 x64 and want to install eclipse-neon . Should I run the installer as root ? also thinking to install it under /opt folder .Is that safe? |
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| 18:46.54 | pero | trying to install 8.5.0 nonfree but the installer is not detecting any drives other than the usb stick. ctrl-alt-f4 does show 'sda: sda1 sda2' and sda2 should be unallocated |
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| 18:48.36 | babilen | pero: How did you write the USB stick? |
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| 18:48.54 | pero | babilen: rufus |
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| 18:49.06 | missmbob | !rufus |
| 18:49.07 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 18:49.19 | missmbob | !tell pero about win32diskimager |
| 18:49.19 | pero | sigh |
| 18:49.20 | babilen | dpkg: win32diskimager |
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| 18:49.33 | babilen | pero: Could you try win32diskimager (which should work) |
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| 18:50.00 | pero | yea ok |
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| 18:51.53 | afernandez_ | how to clone a hard drive please? |
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| 18:52.28 | missmbob | !tell afernandez_ about clone |
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| 18:55.41 | unborn | afernandez_: google is your mate.. clone zilla |
| 18:55.58 | SweetPear | When I launch the file explorer it closes right after, does anyone know why |
| 18:56.21 | stoned | maybe launch from command line and see output |
| 18:56.24 | stoned | or strace it |
| 18:56.27 | mtn | SweetPear: make a new user, see if it happens for the new user too |
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| 18:56.42 | unborn | what on earth is file explorer? isnt this an windows thingy? |
| 18:57.23 | greycat | Most likely it's "some desktop environment" crap. Probably GNOME just by !popcon stats. |
| 18:57.37 | stoned | It's an explorer that explores the file system obviously |
| 18:57.43 | SweetPear | Indeed |
| 18:57.44 | stoned | synonymous with file manager etc |
| 18:57.47 | greycat | In this case it doesn't explore much. |
| 18:57.49 | stoned | no need to make a huge deal. |
| 18:57.56 | SweetPear | mtn: making a new user |
| 18:58.01 | unborn | heh |
| 18:58.28 | stoned | I somtimes use konqueror |
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| 19:00.37 | unborn | that heh did come upfront of the time :) |
| 19:00.56 | pero | babilen: it's still not detecting drives |
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| 19:01.29 | stoned | rufus has two writing modes,one works for debian, one doesn't, this want' the issue to begin with. |
| 19:02.03 | pero | of course it wasn't the issue but if you want help you gotta listen to the !s |
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| 19:02.37 | bibble | hardening sshd by referring to this article; but I don't understand what/how the Tor section is working... anyone able to explain it ? |
| 19:02.40 | bibble | https://stribika.github.io/2015/01/04/secure-secure-shell.html |
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| 19:03.09 | stoned | bibble: also try ##security |
| 19:03.13 | jhutchins | d3vlin: I don't think it's a grub thing but a BIOS thing. It's just marginally possible that if you replaced a non-EFI board with an EFI board that's booting in EFI mode, you don't have the right grub setup. |
| 19:03.24 | stoned | and possibly ##crypto |
| 19:03.30 | pero | the kernel seems to see the drives (it lists them) but partman says 'no matching physical volumes found' and 'no volume groups found' |
| 19:03.31 | bibble | stoned: right |
| 19:03.36 | jhutchins | !tell d3vlin about fixgrub |
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| 19:05.09 | stoned | pero: what kinda hw is it? and also what debian version? |
| 19:05.18 | jhutchins | pero: Are the drives configured correctly in the BIOS? |
| 19:05.19 | pero | the system has windows7 on it already on sda1 - could it be using some mbr that partman can't handle? |
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| 19:05.41 | stoned | what isnt' detecting the drives? the debian installer? |
| 19:05.49 | pero | it's like a 7 year old tower, custom built |
| 19:05.57 | pero | 8.5.0 nonfree live |
| 19:06.10 | pero | windows7 works fine so i assume the bios is ok? |
| 19:06.28 | jhutchins | pero: I'd still check to see how they're configured. |
| 19:06.29 | pero | yea the debian installer only sees its own usb stick |
| 19:06.45 | jhutchins | pero: Another possibility would be to get a gparted boot image and look at the drives with that. |
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| 19:07.18 | jhutchins | pero: I know on recent versions of windows you need to use the windows tools to resize the drive, but I don't know the details of how the Linux tools fail. |
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| 19:08.09 | pero | well when i set-up win7 i left like 200gb free on the first drive so no resizing needed -it's unallocated spac |
| 19:08.45 | stoned | OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64/x86_64-Distro: Debian 8.5-CPU: 4 x Intel Core2 Quad (3775.020 MHz)-Processes: 685-Uptime: 3d 13h 30m-Users: 3-Load Average: 0.44-Memory Usage: 1551.71MB/8002.51MB (-315.72%)-Disk Usage: 3390.97GB/3734.40GB (90.80%) |
| 19:08.48 | babilen | pero: fwiw, you might want to use an actual installer for installing, but the live one should work naturally |
| 19:08.51 | babilen | dpkg: firmware image |
| 19:08.51 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 19:08.52 | stoned | I'mon a 8 year old system myself |
| 19:09.13 | pero | i'm using the installerr - it's just the livecd |
| 19:09.33 | stoned | pero: areyour hard drives to the motherboard or do they have a third party controller or raid or something? |
| 19:09.41 | babilen | pero: Those are different images and not the well tested "normal" ones (not that that means that they shouldn't work) |
| 19:09.49 | pero | that's a good question, stoned |
| 19:10.01 | jhutchins | pero: The install image is a little different from the live image, live won't do EFI (which you're not on). |
| 19:10.11 | babilen | pero: I'd try to mount/access the drives manually in a different tty. Can you see them? Can you partition them? |
| 19:10.12 | pero | how do you know i'm on efi? |
| 19:10.24 | babilen | You are most likely not |
| 19:10.41 | pero | does the livecd come with gparted? |
| 19:10.43 | jhutchins | pero: I believe that the recent edititions of Windows tend to grab all available drives. |
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| 19:11.10 | pero | this is win7... |
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| 19:12.24 | jhutchins | pero: Anything newere than 95 is recent to me, but I mean 7-10. Not sure where the differences happen, I know 10 required Windows tools to resize, there may be other things about how 7 manages drives. Obviously something's going on. |
| 19:12.33 | pero | i can remember connecting the drives straight into the motherboard, stoned - |
| 19:12.48 | SweetPear | mtn: It works with a new user |
| 19:12.52 | pero | there's no resizing necessary, jhutching - there should be ~200gb of unallocated space |
| 19:13.22 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Have you rim any GUI programs as root? |
| 19:13.22 | mtn | SweetPear: ok, so it is a problem with your config files or permissions in your first users home folder. have you ever started your file manager with sudo? |
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| 19:13.40 | SweetPear | mtn: No |
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| 19:14.01 | SweetPear | mtn: This is a fresh install, only things I've done are apt-get update and apt-get full-upgrade |
| 19:14.04 | mtn | SweetPear: you can try starting the file manager in a terminal, it may give you some info |
| 19:14.14 | mtn | SweetPear: which version of debian? |
| 19:14.15 | stoned | pero: try the regular non live net inst |
| 19:14.21 | SweetPear | mtn: I've no idea how to start it in the terminal |
| 19:14.26 | SweetPear | mtn: Kali |
| 19:14.28 | pero | ill brb while the liveimage loads up - hopefully it does, and hopefully gparted is on there |
| 19:14.31 | stoned | I've never used the live one so I dunno |
| 19:14.41 | stoned | SweetPear: kali isn't debian though |
| 19:14.42 | mtn | SweetPear: oh, kali is not supported in this channel |
| 19:14.51 | mtn | !kali |
| 19:14.51 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 19:15.19 | pero | stoned: ya i might - i didn't know if it'd have drivers for internet so i went with the nonfree live |
| 19:15.23 | SweetPear | mtn: #kali-linux doesn't have much people online |
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| 19:15.52 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Doesn't really matter. It's not Debian. |
| 19:15.57 | stoned | SweetPear: install debian, install the tools you want and there you go |
| 19:15.57 | mtn | SweetPear: that is too bad, but kali is not supported in this channel |
| 19:16.02 | stoned | you don't need kali linux |
| 19:16.09 | stoned | you can get all those tools you need on debian |
| 19:16.16 | SweetPear | I tried to get the tools |
| 19:16.22 | jelly | SweetPear: get a proper debian; if you can reproduce the same issue with it, ask here |
| 19:16.26 | SweetPear | But the debian bugged when I did that |
| 19:16.38 | SweetPear | I would love to use debian |
| 19:16.48 | stoned | You must install the debian. Then we help with the debian bugging out |
| 19:16.52 | SweetPear | The support is way better |
| 19:16.56 | jelly | and that bugging was something we could have actually helped with. |
| 19:17.03 | SweetPear | I know |
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| 19:17.07 | SweetPear | Which is why I asked |
| 19:17.21 | SweetPear | It's seems you kind of hate Kali? |
| 19:17.35 | jelly | we hate questions we can't help with. |
| 19:17.50 | somiaj | SweetPear: no we just don't support Kali or any based on debian distro. |
| 19:17.50 | SweetPear | Well if you guys are sure the tools work fine on debian |
| 19:17.51 | jelly | well, that's me personally, I don't know what other people hate |
| 19:18.14 | greycat | I hate people who are told they're in the wrong channel and then instead of going to the right channel, they argue. |
| 19:18.32 | SweetPear | Previous time I just went to the kali channel |
| 19:18.41 | SweetPear | But I asked another thing and never got answer |
| 19:18.43 | SweetPear | Anyways |
| 19:18.55 | SweetPear | Any suggestions for a debian release? |
| 19:19.00 | jelly | be patient, and ask in the place where someone actually has an idea about what your system looks like |
| 19:19.13 | stoned | stable |
| 19:19.21 | SweetPear | I thought you did, but I'll install debian |
| 19:19.43 | SweetPear | I had to reinstall Kali twice so I would love to switch to debian |
| 19:19.44 | jelly | we don't know about the differences between debian and a derivative |
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| 19:19.58 | SweetPear | Let's stop talking about Kali :P |
| 19:20.04 | SweetPear | I'll install debian right now |
| 19:20.20 | jelly | SweetPear: do you use wireless network? |
| 19:20.30 | SweetPear | I've wireless and lan |
| 19:20.36 | jelly | then install from |
| 19:20.38 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 19:20.39 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 19:20.55 | SweetPear | Okay |
| 19:21.03 | Strykar | if I want a user to authenticate but not get a shell, is /bin/false the right shell? do I simply add it to /etc/shells? |
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| 19:21.27 | stoned | when you create the user |
| 19:21.33 | stoned | or modify /etc/passwd iirc |
| 19:21.36 | stoned | i could be wrong |
| 19:21.38 | jelly | Strykar: yeah |
| 19:21.42 | Strykar | jelly, ty |
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| 19:21.49 | jelly | modifying /etc/passwd is imp |
| 19:21.52 | jelly | lied |
| 19:21.59 | stoned | hm. |
| 19:22.00 | pero | well, gnome wont load from the livecd either |
| 19:22.13 | greycat | Adding /bin/false to /etc/shells may allow users to login with FTP or similar things, which may or may not be what you want. |
| 19:22.24 | jelly | Strykar: what DO you want them to be able to do? |
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| 19:23.29 | pero | sata confguration is set to ide |
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| 19:25.07 | jelly | pero: you probably want "ahci" or "native" for linux |
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| 19:26.44 | pero | yea jelly, googling around seems to suggest that |
| 19:26.45 | Meerkat | I'm running Debian 8 in a VM and when I login I'm sent back to the login screen again. This happens after I spent 6 minutes shitting over windows 10 so I feel like quite the fool. Any ideas on how I can figure this out? |
| 19:27.01 | Strykar | I've setup a Match LocalPort 2222 directive in sshd_config. So ssh can be used as a socks proxy. but if I set their shell to /bin/false for the account and add it to /etc/shells, it logs in successfully and then disconnects |
| 19:27.39 | mtn | Meerkat: do you have 3d graphics turned on in the vm settings? |
| 19:27.58 | jelly | Strykar: because the shell holding the session ends immediately. Tell ssh not to start a shell? |
| 19:28.33 | Meerkat | mtn, I do not. |
| 19:28.40 | Meerkat | not 2d either |
| 19:28.48 | mtn | Meerkat: well, there you go |
| 19:29.17 | Meerkat | mtn, you make it sound obvious but the settings have been the same for months. |
| 19:29.18 | jelly | Strykar: I don't know how that can be done, tho |
| 19:29.28 | SweetPear | jelly: It's installing :) |
| 19:29.39 | mtn | Meerkat: well, you didn't mention it was a new problem, did you? |
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| 19:30.20 | mtn | Meerkat: if it is a new problem, what did you change? also too obvious? |
| 19:30.26 | jelly | Meerkat: can you log in at the linux console (send ctrl-alt-F1 to linux vm)? |
| 19:30.47 | Meerkat | mtn, that didn't solve it and AFAIK nothing has changed. |
| 19:30.57 | pero | no luck with ahci |
| 19:31.05 | mtn | Meerkat: obviously something changed :P |
| 19:31.15 | Meerkat | mtn, and obviously I don't know about it. |
| 19:31.49 | mtn | Meerkat: ok, good luck |
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| 19:32.24 | jelly | Meerkat: a session quitting immediately after starting may indicate something wrong in the specific user's saved (DE) settings |
| 19:33.05 | jelly | Meerkat: to confirm: log in at the console, become root, create a fresh user, then try logging in with that new user. |
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| 19:35.59 | jelly | mtn: at risk of saying something obvious... "obviously something changed" is not exactly helpful. If you decide to volunteer help with something you're an expert with, try to provide the user an action point, what to try next to isolate the cause or move toward solving. |
| 19:36.17 | jelly | oops |
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| 19:37.08 | Strykar | greycat, I don't want the user to drop into a shell, but not have sshd close the session either. |
| 19:37.39 | pero | ok so the livecd can see the drives if i run fdisk -l |
| 19:37.48 | greycat | Strykar: what *do* you want the user to do? |
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| 19:38.16 | Strykar | just authenticate, and be able to tunnel traffic |
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| 19:38.33 | jelly | afaiui he just wants forwarding estalished and running, with no end in sight |
| 19:38.47 | greycat | Strykar: then the client should use -N |
| 19:39.04 | jelly | yes that. |
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| 19:40.01 | Strykar | greycat, that works. can I force that via sshd? I don't ever want the user to drop into a shell |
| 19:40.14 | greycat | Don't give them a shell. |
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| 19:40.52 | greycat | Make their shell a script that writes "You forgot to use -N." |
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| 19:42.02 | unborn | greycat: again i like your human friendly sense of humor :) |
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| 19:43.20 | greycat | unborn: Just tested it. It works. Literally doing what I just said. |
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| 19:43.40 | Aorious | Hi, is it possible to install lvm2 and cryptsetup, on live system, with a single live disk alone (without network/internet or any other storage)? |
| 19:43.53 | greycat | ssh -N testuser@localhost hangs as it is supposed to, and ssh testuser@localhost prints the Debian banner/stuff and then my message ("You forgot to use -N.") and closes the connection. |
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| 19:47.08 | jelly | Strykar: a casual reading of sshd_config(5) suggests a "ForceCommand none" together with a Match section to only affect that user might or might not do that |
| 19:47.25 | Strykar | greycat, it works, tyvm |
| 19:48.00 | SweetPear | jelly: Is it possible to install Pantheon in debian? |
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| 19:48.11 | Meerkat | jelly, unfortunately not even a new user can login. |
| 19:48.11 | jelly | SweetPear: dunno, what is Pantheon? |
| 19:48.22 | SweetPear | jelly: A desktop environment |
| 19:48.30 | SweetPear | jelly: Uh |
| 19:48.39 | SweetPear | jelly: They're desktop environments if I'm right |
| 19:49.03 | jelly | SweetPear: if they have a repository for debian, then maybe |
| 19:49.14 | ompaul | they don't |
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| 19:49.33 | SweetPear | Aw |
| 19:49.34 | jhutchins | It's _possible_ to install pretty much any posix compliant software in Debian. If it's not packaged by Debian it can be difficult (or not). |
| 19:49.36 | jelly | then no |
| 19:50.06 | ompaul | jelly: it's the one that looks like osx |
| 19:50.10 | missmbob | last i checked you needed some unity crap for pantheon |
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| 19:50.25 | SweetPear | Pantheon is used in Elementary OS |
| 19:50.40 | jelly | jhutchins: dunno, when someone asks if it's possible to "install", I kind of read "not have to build from source and have to fix all the issues" |
| 19:50.41 | unborn | SweetPear: that is not debian |
| 19:50.41 | ompaul | it's on fedora also so it's not that - |
| 19:50.49 | jelly | SweetPear: is it open source? |
| 19:50.52 | greycat | Installing an entire desktop environment from the ground up is not a fun task. |
| 19:50.53 | SweetPear | Elementary is Ubuntu Based |
| 19:50.57 | SweetPear | Uhm |
| 19:51.00 | unborn | jelly it is.. |
| 19:51.29 | jelly | SweetPear: you'd have to do a lot of work to make it integrate with debian, yourself, or pay someone to do it |
| 19:51.33 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Uses a differnet graphics system, which you'd have to make work on Debian too. |
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| 19:51.37 | unborn | SweetPear: so sorry to say but - perhaps you do reach ubuntu forums or irc for help |
| 19:51.48 | jelly | so, "no" |
| 19:52.04 | SweetPear | Too much work indeed |
| 19:52.06 | SweetPear | :P |
| 19:52.15 | SweetPear | Would be nice, but not a big issue |
| 19:52.16 | putti_ | jhutchins, what do you mean by graphics system? |
| 19:52.24 | jhutchins | SweetPear: I take it it's a sort of active desktop? |
| 19:52.31 | jelly | SweetPear: I'm sure jhutchins will do it for a small fee, he said it was possible... |
| 19:52.34 | ompaul | SweetPear: the right answer is, possible, perhaps a fair amount of work. |
| 19:52.58 | SweetPear | Well it would be nice, but it's not needed |
| 19:53.07 | unborn | jelly - of course we all do - im freelancer too ;) |
| 19:53.07 | ompaul | SweetPear: you could try it yourself go upstream to the source don't take from any of the downstream repos |
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| 19:53.14 | putti_ | jhutchins, or what is this graphics system? |
| 19:53.25 | SweetPear | I rather choose another desktop environment |
| 19:53.30 | SweetPear | To make sure everything will work properly |
| 19:53.50 | jhutchins | putti_: Not really a full graphics system I guess. There was talk Ubuntu was replacing Xorg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(user_interface) |
| 19:53.56 | unborn | SweetPear: its not about DE but about os.. |
| 19:54.14 | SweetPear | True |
| 19:54.15 | pero | hmm ok there might be some sort of problem (microsoft feature?) with that drive - the ubuntu installer tells me there's all sorts of ntfs volumes there |
| 19:54.21 | putti_ | jhutchins, oh, now I see, thanks :) |
| 19:54.27 | Aorious | In addition to my question above, AFAIK installing Debian without internet, can also install the lvm2 and cryptsetup packages. Therefore, I know these packages are within the installation files. However, from only a live system (for recovery purposes), I do not know how to access/install these packages (from within the files of the live USB, without internet). |
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| 19:54.48 | SweetPear | I accidently skiped the DE options while installing debian |
| 19:54.51 | pero | ./dev/mapper/isw_cdabcagaf_Volume-0-0 - Volume-0-1 |
| 19:54.53 | SweetPear | So I'll have to do that manually :P |
| 19:54.56 | pero | like 7 of them |
| 19:55.01 | pero | but it does also see the freespace |
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| 19:56.20 | jhutchins | Aorious: I think you'd have to build your own live image with those packages. I take it this is to recover an encrypted system using lvm. |
| 19:56.31 | unborn | pero: regards ubuntu installer - kindly ask ubuntu channel.. |
| 19:56.40 | jhutchins | !live |
| 19:56.41 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. Currently you CANNOT install in <UEFI> mode from a Debian Live image. |
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| 19:57.23 | jhutchins | (For those following the ongoing discussion, this is another reason to avoid lvm.) |
| 19:57.24 | SweetPear | https://plus.google.com/101795512660548996299/posts/BUL6muWQTgN, it seems like someone else already did it |
| 19:57.49 | SweetPear | Might try it out later, I'll see :P |
| 19:58.03 | Aorious | jhutchins, I will take a look. Thanks. |
| 19:58.10 | pero | umm i'm talking about debian dude, if you didn't follow the earlier conversation i don't understand why you're jumping in now |
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| 19:58.30 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Well that's convenient. Make backups before testing third-party software. |
| 19:58.49 | pero | the debian installer isn't seeing any of my drives - they work fine in windows and ubuntu can see them too apparently |
| 19:58.52 | SweetPear | jhutchins: It's a test laptop, there is nothing to backup :) |
| 19:59.11 | jhutchins | pero: I'd try a different installer image. |
| 19:59.12 | unborn | pero: I didnt - sorry about that but debian does not use ubuntu installer anyway :) |
| 19:59.21 | unborn | *in any way |
| 19:59.48 | SweetPear | jhutchins: But I don't want to install debian again because it takes some time, so I'll stick with the default DE for now |
| 19:59.57 | jhutchins | pero: Also look at the kernel the ubuntu image is using. |
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| 20:00.17 | pero | this /dev/mapper stuff is apparently raid |
| 20:00.19 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Well, there's the reason to have a backup. |
| 20:00.21 | pero | that's pretty odd |
| 20:00.39 | unborn | I would say pretty normal :D |
| 20:00.44 | SweetPear | jhutchins: You mean backup specific parts? |
| 20:00.50 | jhutchins | pero: mapper is used for a number of things - lvm, multipath, raid. |
| 20:00.54 | SweetPear | jhutchins: Just for the DE? |
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| 20:01.08 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Just image the whole drive with something like clonezilla. |
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| 20:01.21 | pero | not sure why this drive would be set-up for raid |
| 20:01.42 | SweetPear | jhutchins: That's a good idea actually, forgot that that is way faster then having to reinstall the OS |
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| 20:01.55 | jhutchins | That reminds me, somwhere I have a complete image of a Windows install on an Asus laptop that died several years ago... |
| 20:01.56 | pero | maybe if i config sata to raid in bios debian will see the drives |
| 20:02.11 | SweetPear | Lol |
| 20:02.23 | unborn | :D |
| 20:02.33 | jhutchins | pero: Is it possible that Windows is installed on a RAID pair? |
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| 20:02.56 | pero | pair as in there's 2 drives in a raid config? no it's not |
| 20:03.16 | jhutchins | pero: How sure of that are you? |
| 20:03.21 | pero | 100% |
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| 20:03.40 | unborn | pero: can you actually tell us what is your issue :) |
| 20:03.46 | jhutchins | pero: It's also possible for windows to do lvm type tricks and span a volume across two devices. |
| 20:04.01 | missmbob | yes it is |
| 20:04.01 | pero | unborn, it was told earlier |
| 20:04.14 | pero | the debian installer is not seeing any drive other than its own usb |
| 20:04.31 | pero | fdisk and the kernel can see sda1 and sda2 |
| 20:04.38 | pero | but partman doesn't see anything |
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| 20:05.22 | jhutchins | pero: So use something other than partman. |
| 20:05.33 | pero | the debian installer is using partman not me |
| 20:05.47 | pero | that's what i got from ctrl-alt-f4 in the installer |
| 20:05.53 | jhutchins | pero: THe installer doesn't need to do anything with the partitions, you can use existing ones. |
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| 20:06.29 | jhutchins | pero: Pre-partition (and possibly format) the disk, then run the installer. |
| 20:06.45 | unborn | pero: and what is your machine then? - you know.. |
| 20:06.45 | pero | <pero> the kernel seems to see the drives (it lists them) but partman says 'no matching physical volumes found' and 'no volume groups found' |
| 20:07.06 | pero | there's 200gb of unallocated space on sda |
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| 20:07.33 | pero | it's an old custom tower - think it's 7 years old or so |
| 20:07.57 | SweetPear | May I ask about what age most people here are |
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| 20:08.37 | greycat | Please don't. |
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| 20:09.14 | SweetPear | Just curious if I'm younger or older :P |
| 20:09.37 | Strykar | just go a/s/l and wait to get banned |
| 20:09.52 | SweetPear | a/s/l ? |
| 20:10.00 | Strykar | you're too young. |
| 20:10.19 | SweetPear | I don't get it? |
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| 20:11.00 | unborn | pero: we are too old.. anyway age have nothing to do with your issue :) |
| 20:11.11 | pero | i am not asking dude |
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| 20:11.40 | SweetPear | Doesn't matter what age I'm just curious because I'm not really old :P |
| 20:11.41 | greycat | SweetPear: I think it's a pretty safe bet you are younger than the typical #debian user, then. |
| 20:11.59 | greycat | Or at least much newer to IRC. |
| 20:12.09 | SweetPear | I don't use IRC often |
| 20:12.14 | SweetPear | I've only used it for a game |
| 20:12.23 | SweetPear | This is actually the first time that I really use it :P |
| 20:12.49 | Strykar | I'm trying to setup a 2nd instance of an HTTP proxy called privoxy listening on another port - https://packages.debian.org/jessie/privoxy I'm unfamiliar with systemd, my understanding is if a port creates a /lib/systemd/system/$servicename.service definition, it will ignore /etc/init.d/$servicename |
| 20:12.49 | Strykar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.49 | Strykar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:13.22 | greycat | If you are creating a new systemd service, you only create files (and/or directories) in /etc/systemd/system/. Do not touch /lib/systemd/system/ at all. |
| 20:13.47 | Strykar | oh that's why it says the service is enabled |
| 20:14.32 | Strykar | greycat, except the service file isn't in /etc/systemd/system/ |
| 20:15.11 | radw62 | i still have the issue, where networking service dont work at startup, i have to restart it tiwce for get it work |
| 20:15.11 | greycat | Because you haven't created it yet. |
| 20:15.12 | pero | ok so gparted tells me /dev/mapper spans both of my physical drives |
| 20:15.34 | jhutchins | Strykar: It's possible that the privoxy package hasn't been updated for systemd and is still using init. |
| 20:15.37 | pero | and 200gb of unallocated space on /dev/sda is in use |
| 20:16.10 | Strykar | jhutchins, unlikely, it's telling me otherwise, unless I'm completely misreading this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23062645/ |
| 20:16.14 | jhutchins | pero: I believe I suggested that possibility. |
| 20:16.27 | jhutchins | Strykar: Are you running Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 20:16.38 | Strykar | Debian 8.5 |
| 20:16.50 | croddy | (privoxy does ship with systemd support on jessie) |
| 20:16.56 | greycat | Strykar: is /lib/systemd/system/privoxy2.service a file YOU created? |
| 20:17.07 | pero | yea you did |
| 20:17.17 | Strykar | greycat, yes, upon asking someone here a few days ago |
| 20:17.41 | greycat | Strykar: move it to /etc/systemd/system/ and then make any changes you need to make and then run systemctl daemon-reload |
| 20:17.41 | Strykar | they said it wouldnt look at the /etc/init.d/ file at all |
| 20:17.56 | pero | wonder what do i try next - could try setting sata to raid but why wouldnt it tell me that the unallocated space is in use like it's telling me now |
| 20:18.21 | pero | or do i need to nuke the windows install which i don't really feel like doing |
| 20:18.35 | Strykar | greycat, but there isn't a /lib/systemd/system/privoxy.service in /etc/systemd/system/ so that's okay? |
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| 20:18.57 | greycat | Strykar: /etc/systemd/system/ is where YOU make YOUR local changes to YOUR computer. It's like /usr/local. |
| 20:19.09 | unborn | ...it should not be in ubuntu.. |
| 20:19.26 | unborn | meh or I am wrong? anyone else? |
| 20:19.34 | SweetPear | Ubuntu is debian based right? |
| 20:19.42 | greycat | In theory. |
| 20:19.49 | unborn | SweetPear: not at all.. |
| 20:20.01 | SweetPear | No? |
| 20:20.04 | unborn | ubuntu is debian unstable with other modifications |
| 20:20.06 | jhutchins | SweetPear: It _was_ originally. They've made a lot of changes. |
| 20:20.07 | unborn | no |
| 20:20.08 | croddy | right. like suse is redhat based. |
| 20:20.29 | jhutchins | croddy: More like whatever Mandrake is these days. |
| 20:20.30 | SweetPear | So the whole base is actually gone? |
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| 20:20.39 | SweetPear | Well the orginal debian base is gone |
| 20:20.41 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Yes, long ago. |
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| 20:20.54 | croddy | any compatibilities you discover are purely coincidental. |
| 20:20.57 | jhutchins | SweetPear: They pull directly from upstream now. |
| 20:20.58 | unborn | SweetPear: if you look at ubuntu it self and core files - yes most of it is gone |
| 20:21.09 | SweetPear | HMm |
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| 20:21.39 | jelly | technically some 70% of packages still come from debian sources |
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| 20:21.49 | Strykar | greycat, same error - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23062687/ |
| 20:21.53 | SweetPear | :o |
| 20:22.12 | unborn | debian ! ubuntu |
| 20:22.19 | SweetPear | The first Linux OS I installed was ubuntu |
| 20:22.22 | unborn | not the same at all |
| 20:22.35 | SweetPear | And now I don't like ubuntu anymore :P |
| 20:22.41 | maziar | what is the best desktop editor for linux config files that have good view |
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| 20:22.54 | jhutchins | maziar: vim |
| 20:23.03 | greycat | Wow. You broke systemd. |
| 20:23.06 | unborn | SweetPear: congratulations and welcome to linux world, how can we help you with Debian Linux OS? |
| 20:23.10 | jelly | unborn: fwiw, ubuntu has switched to systemd as well, 16.04 LTS (and maybe 15.10, too) |
| 20:23.16 | Strykar | insserv: script privoxy2: service privoxy already provided! :/ |
| 20:23.17 | maziar | no for except vim |
| 20:23.31 | SweetPear | unborn: Thanks :) |
| 20:23.32 | Strykar | _I_ broke systemd? |
| 20:23.35 | jhutchins | maziar: You asked for the best. |
| 20:23.38 | unborn | jelly: 16 is actually long term broken distro.. |
| 20:23.53 | greycat | It seems like there *is* an /etc/init.d/privoxy2 file and that it's somehow trying to make sense of this file and failing. That leads to the obvious question: WHY did you create that file? |
| 20:23.54 | jelly | unborn: yeah, don't go there |
| 20:23.54 | maziar | on GUI i need it |
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| 20:24.06 | croddy | vim-gnome. |
| 20:24.11 | geeg | gvim |
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| 20:24.17 | otyugh | hey |
| 20:24.24 | unborn | I did used that on my laptop and I was actually glad Ive switched to debian.. finally once again :) |
| 20:24.50 | Strykar | greycat, yes, I tried that first and didn't delete it. should I just move it out of /etc/init.d |
| 20:24.59 | jelly | has 16.04 LTS on a laptop and it works well |
| 20:25.03 | unborn | jelly I wont, we know all of those things around.. have a coffee on me mate ;) |
| 20:25.06 | otyugh | I was wondering if there was a nice script or a solution for an intuitive/simple upgrade system notifier for jessie ? |
| 20:25.17 | greycat | Strykar: If it were me, yeah, that's the next thing I would do. |
| 20:25.33 | otyugh | The only one I found was throught backport, and it wasn't good enought. |
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| 20:25.52 | jelly | otyugh: what kind of a notifier? apticron can send mail |
| 20:26.19 | otyugh | Well I'm looking for a setup that someone that isn't capable at looking at his own mail could handle |
| 20:26.26 | maziar | jhutchins thank you |
| 20:26.45 | Strykar | greycat, ok, I'm starting to understand this maybe. it works, ty! Created symlink from /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/privoxy2.service to /etc/systemd/system/privoxy2.service. |
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| 20:27.24 | otyugh | I'm really just looking for a simple button asking time to time "wanna update ? Yes/later ; and then displaying a progress bar. Simplest the best |
| 20:27.35 | jelly | otyugh: which gui? |
| 20:27.39 | jelly | er, which de? |
| 20:28.02 | jhutchins | maziar: Seriously, when I have to work in Windows and have the full Office suite, I'll often ssh to a linux system and use vim instead. |
| 20:28.15 | otyugh | I was considering using zenity and apt-get in a simple script in despair, but if there is something already up for it could avoid some pain... |
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| 20:28.26 | maziar | jhutchins really ? cool ! |
| 20:28.44 | otyugh | jelly: you mean what I already tried ? |
| 20:28.46 | Iridos | what is the decision "wanna update ? Yes/later ;" going to change? |
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| 20:29.17 | jelly | Iridos: timestamp of applying. |
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| 20:29.33 | otyugh | upgrading the system when there is to do now or not yet Iridos |
| 20:29.44 | otyugh | nothing complicated |
| 20:29.54 | jelly | otyugh: I mean, which desktop environment are you targeting? |
| 20:29.56 | Iridos | I mean... what's the difference to an automated upgrade if the decision is made without any information to go with it |
| 20:30.02 | otyugh | jelly, xfce |
| 20:31.09 | otyugh | Iridos, well and automated update could cause multiple issue. Like rebooting while upgrading, and the fact the user won't be aware of the system being upgraded, which is a problem to me ~ |
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| 20:31.26 | jhutchins | Iridos: A lot of the notifiers will give you details if you ask. A lot of people don't. |
| 20:31.28 | SweetPear | Makes me think about windows |
| 20:31.32 | Iridos | upgrading doesn't reboot |
| 20:31.41 | jelly | otyugh: there's update-manager-gnome but I don't know how well it works in jessie |
| 20:32.05 | jhutchins | cthuluh: The only reason to reboot during an upgrade would be to load a new kernel. |
| 20:32.08 | otyugh | Iridos, yes, but what if the system was rebooted while apt-get upgrade was automatically working ? You'd need to apt-get -f install |
| 20:32.26 | otyugh | and I guess it's just bad practice |
| 20:32.29 | jelly | it was barely usable with wheezy and making some choices differently from both apt or aptitude |
| 20:33.16 | otyugh | There is really something missing there for total newby. I think. |
| 20:33.38 | jhutchins | cthuluh: Since the only reason to reboot the system would be to load a new kernel, why would someone reboot until the upgrade was complete? A gui app is probably going to give you a progress indicator anyway. |
| 20:33.42 | jelly | ,v pk-update-icon |
| 20:33.44 | judd | Package: pk-update-icon on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 2.0.0-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2.0.0-1; stretch: 2.0.0-1 |
| 20:33.56 | jelly | otyugh: I don't know how ^^ that one works, either |
| 20:33.59 | otyugh | jhutchins, because sometimes people shut their computer before going to sleep ! |
| 20:34.07 | jelly | try it and see |
| 20:34.10 | jhutchins | otyugh: Never! |
| 20:34.11 | Iridos | that'd be unlikely if the upgrade would happen after a reboot (if reboots are frequent) |
| 20:34.19 | otyugh | yes |
| 20:34.29 | otyugh | The real issue is an ethical one, to me |
| 20:34.45 | jelly | otyugh: sometimes people disconnect the battery and the power while updates are installing, because no computer will tell them what to do |
| 20:34.49 | Iridos | upgrading isn't unethical :) |
| 20:34.54 | jhutchins | otyugh: Uptime: 32d 1h 33m 56s |
| 20:34.59 | jelly | you can't outdesign stupidity |
| 20:35.04 | unborn | Iridos: you cannot do it even in widnows nor linux or unix. :) simple logic.. |
| 20:35.05 | otyugh | jhutchins, ;) |
| 20:35.26 | unborn | ...or just do not install updates/upgrades.. simple is that |
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| 20:35.40 | Iridos | actually I admit I don't like machines telling me what to do either |
| 20:35.48 | otyugh | Well what do you think jelly, you seem to be an experienced user ; would you allow automatic upgrade for newbies ? Maybe just security upgrade then ? |
| 20:36.13 | jelly | otyugh: yes as long as there's an admin they can call if things go wrong |
| 20:36.16 | unborn | Iridos: than there is simple help - turn them off and do not use them. |
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| 20:36.39 | Iridos | I dindn't say that I didn't like machines working for me |
| 20:36.43 | jhutchins | otyugh: What I'd do is require them to learn to do regular manual updates. |
| 20:37.00 | otyugh | Mhm. This should be me, I guess I'll try to set up a "one click contact me if anything go wrong". I hope I won't regret this :p |
| 20:37.01 | jelly | otyugh: but that's your policy to make |
| 20:37.06 | unborn | Iridos: purpose of the machine is working for human.. |
| 20:37.10 | jhutchins | otyugh: Which not having a working auto-upgrade effictively does. |
| 20:37.19 | unborn | did you realised this already? |
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| 20:37.24 | unborn | *didnt |
| 20:37.35 | SweetPear | Debian installation just finisht :D |
| 20:37.46 | SweetPear | finished* |
| 20:38.02 | jhutchins | otyugh: You could set up centralized package management with ansible and push the updates yourself. |
| 20:38.03 | jelly | otyugh: I apply upgrades on my ubuntu laptop wherever it asks ;-) |
| 20:38.19 | radw62 | what could happen?? |
| 20:38.30 | jhutchins | jelly: How do you get it to ask? |
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| 20:38.37 | radw62 | after i perform the apt-get upgrade, it worked?? |
| 20:38.40 | unborn | radw62: we all could die :) |
| 20:38.45 | otyugh | jhutchins, I'm working with people that have issues even to get how windows works, or double clicks. They feel computer are magic and they are not worthy. This will be hard work to introduce the terminal :( |
| 20:38.54 | Iridos | gnome used to tell me about updates and one could actually upgrade by click |
| 20:38.54 | jelly | jhutchins: they have update-manager or something similar installed by default |
| 20:38.55 | otyugh | (without digusting them, I mean) |
| 20:39.04 | jhutchins | otyugh: Understood. |
| 20:39.23 | radw62 | why the eth0 not work after boot up |
| 20:39.26 | jhutchins | otyugh: I believe there is a program that checks nightly for updates and sends an email saying "hey, these new packages are availble". |
| 20:39.30 | radw62 | if it appeards up |
| 20:39.40 | unborn | jelly really? this is debian chan ... |
| 20:39.45 | Iridos | otyugh, you might (or might not) be wrong about that, though... it's often people who think linux should work like windows who have the hardest time |
| 20:39.52 | jelly | unborn: no shit?! |
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| 20:40.40 | unborn | jelly fine.. I do have to respect that.. same as anyone else here.. |
| 20:41.03 | otyugh | Iridos, and you are right. Ideally |
| 20:41.15 | unborn | nothing to do with debian here so I guess I can spend time a bit more productive :) have nice evening folks |
| 20:41.18 | jelly | unborn: respect what? Showing how a different distro does things, as an example? |
| 20:41.21 | jelly | yes. |
| 20:41.27 | jelly | yes you should respect that. |
| 20:42.17 | jhutchins | jelly: I missed the ubuntu part there. |
| 20:42.35 | otyugh | (also jelly is a guy who constantly help debians users here, it's not like he was a hellish ubuntu promoter >.>) |
| 20:42.55 | babilen | He's obviously playing the long game |
| 20:43.07 | unborn | jelly I respec the fact you can mute me, ban me or whatever you would decide to do if I do not agree with - whatever you do on this chan.. I do not agree that ubuntu stuff should be re-solving it here.. it should be discussed in that useless and arrogant chan - ubuntu chan.. |
| 20:43.21 | unborn | otherwise for you know-how jelly :) |
| 20:43.26 | otyugh | Twisty twist :p |
| 20:43.27 | figlfdev | bait and wait and wait and wait (and wait) and switch! |
| 20:43.32 | jelly | babilen: yes, making everyone apple users |
| 20:43.39 | jhutchins | I think being familiar with the major distributions is a good thing for any Linux admin. |
| 20:43.58 | jelly | unborn: I didn't read you offering any alternatives that exist in debian. |
| 20:44.12 | Iridos | uh, what's that: Limited security support for one or more packages Unfortunately, it has been necessary to limit security support for some packages. The following packages found on this system are affected by this: |
| 20:44.22 | otyugh | Thanks to go back to my inital issue o/ |
| 20:44.39 | jelly | afair I listed apticron, update-manager-gnome and pk-update-icon in the meantime |
| 20:44.39 | unborn | jhutchins: yeah I saw that as well.. try do proper server environment with debian, ubuntu and centos.. and have a guess which one will work for you :) |
| 20:45.00 | SweetPear | Does anyone know why I get "Sorry, that didn't work. Please try again." when I try to login as root? |
| 20:45.12 | eSa| | o/ |
| 20:45.18 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Someone's set up the system to respond that way. |
| 20:45.22 | jhutchins | SweetPear: ssh? |
| 20:45.25 | unborn | SweetPear: yeah windows does reboot :D |
| 20:45.28 | TomTomTo1 | Iridos: is that from a LTS system? |
| 20:45.33 | jelly | Iridos: you have debian-security-support installed, it's telling you some of the stuff you got has no support either upstream or by debian any more |
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| 20:45.51 | SweetPear | jhutchins: what do you mean? |
| 20:46.00 | SweetPear | jhutchins: I can't login as root? |
| 20:46.02 | jhutchins | SweetPear: How are you logging in? |
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| 20:46.16 | Iridos | but... those were regular debian jessie packages |
| 20:46.19 | SweetPear | jhutchins: From the default lock screen |
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| 20:46.45 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Oh, good, someone's configured it to not allow root login on the GUI. That's as it should be. |
| 20:46.46 | jelly | Iridos: and now debian is honest about not supporting them any more |
| 20:46.49 | Iridos | I just hit "ok", but it was a long list, seemed to be all from kde4libs |
| 20:47.07 | jelly | Iridos: that's webkit part of qt4 |
| 20:47.09 | SweetPear | jhutchins: How would I access it trough a terminal then? |
| 20:47.26 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Use a console, su, or sudo. |
| 20:47.31 | Iridos | and yeah... that seems to come from debian-security-support |
| 20:47.37 | SweetPear | jhutchins: sudo is not installed |
| 20:47.46 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Don't go trying to launch GUI programs though. |
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| 20:48.01 | jelly | Iridos: "this is a web browser. Web browsers are complex. We can't support any of this, feel free to use these only on trusted web pages" |
| 20:48.12 | Iridos | why'd regular debian8 packages not have support |
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| 20:48.14 | SweetPear | jhutchins: Don't launch GUI programs through the terminal? |
| 20:48.23 | jelly | Iridos: noone's doing that work |
| 20:48.24 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Only as a regular user. |
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| 20:48.34 | maurer | SweetPear: no, he means don't launch the programs as root |
| 20:48.34 | SweetPear | jhutchins: Okay, but why? |
| 20:48.50 | Iridos | jelly, no, it was everything built from the kde4libs source (and yes, when I now call it manually also webkit stuff) |
| 20:48.54 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Because they do things you can't see, and as root those things can break things. |
| 20:49.09 | SweetPear | jhutchins: Ohw |
| 20:49.12 | SweetPear | jhutchins: Alright |
| 20:49.21 | jelly | Iridos: I think it told you the reason for unsupporting somewhere. |
| 20:49.22 | jhutchins | SweetPear: For instance, they may write session info to a hidden file, which becomes owned by root and prevents the GUI from launcing as your user. |
| 20:49.34 | jelly | Iridos: afair, the reason is webkit |
| 20:49.39 | SweetPear | jhutchins: Ooohhhhh, I get it now |
| 20:49.53 | unborn | SweetPear: what jhutchins said is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 20:50.19 | SweetPear | unborn: A thread for only that, seems serious |
| 20:50.25 | jelly | Iridos: so something like reportbug-ng or clementine shouldn't be used to pull untrusted content from the web any more |
| 20:50.42 | jhutchins | SweetPear: It's the most common cause of "hey, I can't log in to the gui any more". |
| 20:50.56 | Iridos | untrusted content from the we? |
| 20:51.26 | SweetPear | jhutchins: I got that once, very frustrating if you don't know what caused it, but I fixed it :p |
| 20:51.33 | jelly | as opposed to, say, pregenerated local pages (like kde4 help/docs) |
| 20:51.55 | jelly | Iridos: hint: all content from the web is untrusted |
| 20:52.19 | Iridos | but I trust *all* content from the web |
| 20:52.38 | jhutchins | untrusts Iridos |
| 20:52.44 | Iridos | but kidding aside do you mean some autoupdaters from the program itself |
| 20:52.53 | jelly | no. |
| 20:53.02 | Iridos | and check-support-status seems to be new |
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| 20:53.26 | jelly | some of apps linked with webkit get content from internet and show it to you |
| 20:53.27 | Iridos | and what am I supposed to do with that information anyway |
| 20:53.35 | jelly | be informed :-D |
| 20:53.52 | Iridos | I doubt kdelibs-bin is linked with web content |
| 20:54.15 | jelly | konqueror can open web pages. You should avoid doing it. |
| 20:54.19 | Iridos | oh, I see that is a bit bloated because of khtml, whatever that is |
| 20:54.24 | Iridos | ah yes |
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| 20:55.01 | jelly | reportbug-ng can open web pages (usually those from bugs.debian.org). You should avoid doing that, too. Etc. |
| 20:55.11 | Iridos | and why Source:pidgin Details: Support in squeeze is limited to IRC, Jabber/XMPP, Sametime and SIMPLE |
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| 20:55.20 | Iridos | support in *squeeze* ? |
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| 20:55.42 | SweetPear | Does debian upgrade all packages while installing? |
| 20:55.50 | jelly | Iridos: that tool doesn't really know which info it need not show you, yet |
| 20:55.58 | jelly | SweetPear: yes |
| 20:56.04 | unborn | SweetPear: netinstall does |
| 20:56.05 | SweetPear | Nice |
| 20:56.23 | Iridos | :( just like debsecan then |
| 20:56.37 | Iridos | which'll make it mostly useless in time |
| 20:56.55 | greycat | finds http://askubuntu.com/questions/416937/apt-get-doesnt-work-behind-a-proxy and tries putting that "No-Cache true" thing in apt.conf and ... it doesn't work. Damn. |
| 20:56.57 | jelly | Iridos: no, debsecan doesn't tell you what actually became unsupported last week. |
| 20:57.18 | jelly | and it does tell you a crapton more info |
| 20:57.34 | Iridos | this is only for the last week? |
| 20:57.46 | Iridos | no, this is for "affected packages" |
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| 20:58.04 | Iridos | oh well, weird |
| 20:58.09 | jelly | Iridos: I think it doesn't show you stuff it already showed you. |
| 20:58.24 | Iridos | maybe not during upgrade |
| 20:58.37 | SweetPear | Can you install metasploit in debian? |
| 20:58.39 | Iridos | but just running check-support-status gives the same output |
| 20:58.47 | jelly | you'll see during upcoming upgrades |
| 20:59.00 | jelly | ,v metasploit |
| 20:59.01 | judd | No package named 'metasploit' was found in amd64. |
| 20:59.25 | jelly | SweetPear: "if it has own repos with packages built for debian, then maybe yes" |
| 21:00.23 | SweetPear | jelly: It's on github |
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| 21:01.09 | jelly | SweetPear: does their github link to a repo with binary .deb packages for debian? |
| 21:01.30 | SweetPear | jelly: Let me see |
| 21:01.39 | jelly | git is a _source_ repo. packages come in _binary_, prebuilt form, in different repos. |
| 21:02.41 | Iridos | thanks, never seen that.. seems to be pretty new, never consciencly seen that |
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| 21:05.09 | SweetPear | jelly: When I download it from the website I ge a .run file |
| 21:06.05 | jelly | that doesn't sound like a debian-specific installer. Proceed with caution (it may be impossible to uninstall) |
| 21:06.53 | jhutchins | SweetPear: It's probably a good idea to read the contents of the .run file and get some idea of what it's going to try to do. |
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| 21:07.30 | SweetPear | jhutchins: I am right now |
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| 21:07.57 | nkuttler | SweetPear: or use a kali vm |
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| 21:08.22 | SweetPear | nkuttler: Rather not :P |
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| 21:08.32 | Iridos | otyugh, pk-update-icon maybe? |
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| 21:12.42 | SweetPear | jhutchins: You can't just use nano or whatever to read the contents of a .run? |
| 21:13.34 | nkuttler | SweetPear: depends on how it was written |
| 21:13.45 | nkuttler | usually, yeah |
| 21:14.02 | SweetPear | nkuttler: I only get "random" characters |
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| 21:21.18 | nkuttler | SweetPear: run file (1) on that script |
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| 21:22.20 | SweetPear | What is the /opt folder used for? |
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| 21:24.20 | jelly | 3rd party vendor software |
| 21:24.23 | jelly | !FHS |
| 21:24.23 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 21:24.25 | greycat | /opt is for local system admin use (you) |
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| 21:24.44 | SweetPear | Okay |
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| 21:25.31 | greycat | where /usr/local is "all the packages go in one place and you only have to add one directory to PATH", /opt is usually done in a "one directory for each package" way, so you have to add 23764 directories to PATH, which is really stupid and horrible, but hey I didn't make this up |
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| 21:26.54 | SweetPear | Lol |
| 21:27.33 | greycat | (or an alternative is to let the vendors install their stuff in /opt the way they like, then make a gigantic symlink farm from /usr/local/bin/ to each program in each .../bin/ directory under /opt, and once again just use /usr/local/bin to actually execute programs) |
| 21:28.29 | SweetPear | I'm going to sleep (11:27 pm here) |
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| 21:28.43 | SweetPear | Thanks for all help everyone |
| 21:28.45 | greycat | (then you get to play everyone's favorite shell script bug finding game: "who used $0 incorrectly to try to locate their script-directory") |
| 21:29.15 | SweetPear | Bye |
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| 21:31.31 | jelly | greycat: that's a trick question, the answer is 'everyone' |
| 21:32.25 | greycat | Yeah, even the people who ask about in #bash and are told REPEATEDLY to read http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/028 all still say "fuck this, I'll just do it wrong" and then they go do it wrong. |
| 21:32.43 | jelly | looks at /usr/bin/google-chrome to see how the 3rd party vendor occupying /opt does it |
| 21:33.11 | jelly | export CHROME_WRAPPER="`readlink -f "$0"`" |
| 21:33.11 | jelly | HERE="`dirname "$CHROME_WRAPPER"`" |
| 21:33.29 | greycat | On systems where readlink(1) exists, like Debian, it's *possible* in some cases. |
| 21:33.37 | greycat | Without readlink(1) which is nonstandard, you are just utterly fucked. |
| 21:33.37 | jelly | ha |
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| 21:34.18 | hassoon | yea what? |
| 21:34.30 | jelly | I like the "`"$0"`" |
| 21:34.45 | hassoon | ffs i'm lost in a long scrolled up position in my irssi |
| 21:34.48 | hassoon | lewl |
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| 21:34.57 | hassoon | holds the scrol down button yawning |
| 21:35.01 | jelly | come down |
| 21:35.09 | greycat | The use of `...` in a script that does "export foo=bar" and relies on readlink(1) is pretty daft. |
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| 21:35.28 | hassoon | here...i am |
| 21:35.29 | greycat | I'm pretty sure Bourne shells did not allow export foo=bar |
| 21:35.30 | jelly | I guess they just don't like $ or () |
| 21:35.36 | hassoon | greycat: 'sup bashguide folk |
| 21:35.43 | hassoon | i love that book |
| 21:36.22 | jelly | the hashbang line is correct, too |
| 21:36.36 | jelly | google: not evil enough yet |
| 21:36.58 | greycat | Using `...` in a #!/bin/bash script is just stupid. |
| 21:37.24 | jelly | it saves a byte per usage, unless nesting |
| 21:37.42 | greycat | Hah. They even use [[ ]] later. |
| 21:37.43 | jelly | not the greatest excuse |
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| 21:38.04 | greycat | And exec -a *WITH* a comment saying that they know it's a bashism. |
| 21:38.10 | jelly | and exec 2> >(exec cat >&2) |
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| 21:38.21 | greycat | Yes, and bash process substitutions. |
| 21:39.44 | greycat | Still, for a shell script that was installed on a Unix system, that's one of the less-bad ones I've seen. |
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| 21:40.04 | greycat | Usually the bugs number in the dozens. |
| 21:40.19 | jelly | ha, I really have two long lived cats running |
| 21:40.31 | jelly | never noticed |
| 21:40.50 | greycat | google-chrome confirmed to be crazy cat lady |
| 21:41.15 | jelly | that's google-chrome-stable. google-chrome-beta probably has at least six |
| 21:41.42 | hassoon | chrome is being silly lately |
| 21:41.47 | hassoon | i mean..chromium |
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| 21:44.17 | jelly | chromium wrapper is more elaborate but doesn't do the cat thing |
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| 22:22.48 | Strykar | how do I get judd to show me the instructions for backporting a package from source? |
| 22:23.48 | jelly | Strykar: you ask dpkg, not judd. /msg dpkg ssb, or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 22:24.10 | jelly | Strykar: you can _check_ viability with /msg judd checkbackport ... |
| 22:24.17 | crash_ | Strykar: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
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| 22:25.09 | Strykar | but judd had clearer instructions than https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation I've already created my package, I just wanted to note down those instructions |
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| 22:26.09 | winsen | any clue guys? |
| 22:26.11 | crash_ | Strykar: you wanted to know how to backport a package from soure? and i gave you a link. |
| 22:26.16 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: ssb |
| 22:26.16 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 22:27.17 | Strykar | dondelelcaro, sweet thanks. how do you make it check for the build/dependency status of the package on sid/unstable? package name: strongswan |
| 22:27.22 | jim | is there still a way to see if a package can be backported? |
| 22:27.50 | dondelelcaro | judd: checkbackport strongswan |
| 22:27.51 | judd | Backporting package strongswan in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 22:27.56 | dondelelcaro | Strykar: ^^^ |
| 22:27.58 | Strykar | woot! perfect! |
| 22:28.13 | dondelelcaro | (all of which jelly already mentioned in scrollback) |
| 22:28.13 | jim | thanks |
| 22:28.14 | jelly | winsen: I don't see your question at all |
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| 22:35.27 | jim | there;s a package llvm in both jessie and sid, and I wanted to get the sid version in jessie, the build deps are fine, it takes like 4 hours to build on a fairly reasonable 64b machine, but it fails one of its regrassion tests, so the build throws an error, and binary runs the regression tests again, which error, so it doesn't build debs... I have a log somewhere of the regression test run, which might tell you what to fix |
| 22:35.35 | jim | do you want it? |
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| 22:38.07 | jim | Nastii, if you're really running as root, just be careful, if you're a shell beginner, you should reconsider |
| 22:38.29 | jelly | jim: well, people in this channel are as likely to fix a random test unit failing as yourself I guess |
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| 22:39.29 | jim | jelly, I wouldn't know where it is or why it's failing (I did read the log) |
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| 22:39.47 | jelly | you can certainly show your work... |
| 22:40.13 | jim | ok, here comes the log |
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| 22:42.32 | jim | llvm (from sid) build (on jessie) regression test log: http://termbin.com/m9vi |
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| 22:51.02 | pedrucho | hi could it be possible if someone whould help me out running a game on linux? |
| 22:51.22 | jelly | jim: that's weird. Is it during the build process? Did you build inside fakeroot (you don't have to)? |
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| 22:53.36 | jelly | jim: compilation is supposed to be done as normal user. Only making binary .deb is done as (fake)root |
| 22:53.37 | TomTomTo1 | pedrucho: describe your problem, it might improve your chances. |
| 22:53.40 | pedrucho | can anyone name me a proper room for linux gaming? |
| 22:53.53 | pedrucho | sure TomTomTo1 |
| 22:54.24 | pedrucho | TomTomTo1: im trying to run a game called jagged alliance 2 on my pc |
| 22:54.52 | pedrucho | i got the original game, but its for windows |
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| 22:56.27 | TomTomTo1 | #winehq might be able to help you. looks like you can run it fairly well with a mod: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1273 |
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| 22:56.40 | pedrucho | i got the data file, some one told me that i can copy the data file into linux and use a run file to make it work |
| 22:57.02 | pedrucho | wine its a good idea |
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| 22:57.13 | TomTomTo1 | you can't run windows binaries natively. |
| 22:57.25 | pedrucho | TomTomTo1: but i dont intend to use wine to make my game run |
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| 22:58.11 | pedrucho | TomTomTo1: theres a linux version of my pc game for linux |
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| 23:03.15 | TomTomTo1 | i see. good luck, then. |
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| 23:09.18 | katronix | Hi all, on Jessie what user owns apache2 files (html, php, etc) ? |
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| 23:10.14 | okamis_ | Hi, I'm uncapable of setting the default keyboard layout to a custom one. I want the new keyboard layout to apply before the login manager |
| 23:10.27 | katronix | is it www-data:www-data? |
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| 23:28.15 | radw62 | hello, i just discover the iscsi lun's from debian (/dev/sdb1), i formated it in esxi as vmf5, and now debian not boot normal |
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| 23:28.54 | radw62 | mount -a says it cant find ext4 filesystem |
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| 23:32.33 | katronix | Is anyone here who can help me with apache2? It was working but now it claims everything returns a 404, even if I specify the correct path |
| 23:33.31 | bazhang | #httpd can katronix |
| 23:34.01 | katronix | bazhang: even if I used debian's apt to install it? |
| 23:34.43 | bazhang | you said it was an apache problem |
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| 23:35.19 | katronix | well I'm having an issue with apache, not sure who is at fault, but guess I will check with apache |
| 23:35.37 | afernandez_ | Installation one thing configuration and troubleshooting #httpd |
| 23:37.01 | katronix | ok |
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| 23:45.18 | Dan68 | Hmm, running into some issues with a screen connected via displayport on Debian Jessie |
| 23:46.23 | Dan68 | The screen is detected according to syslog, and I can occasionally get it to work https://ncry.pt/p/cuCn#TNPjXGZx0KsCYXR6-KRU8a6qvIa6yJ1oYJ1chKENDaY |
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