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| 00:00.16 | pron | anyways from information i have gathered over past few days , i am not the only one who has this problem :=) |
| 00:00.55 | wsky | mac users switching to linux always have a hard landing |
| 00:01.15 | pron | ah i not gona swtch i f stuff doesnt work |
| 00:01.22 | pingfloyd | that's because they're bias and not willing to learn something different |
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| 00:01.30 | erm3nda | somiaj, didnt get your question. can't you use them like you said?= |
| 00:01.37 | pron | i will better live without docing station on laptop |
| 00:01.41 | wsky | pingfloyd: sure the fruit is perfect |
| 00:01.46 | pron | then without proper temrinal emulator |
| 00:02.02 | wsky | "no proper terminal emulators on linux" said a mac user |
| 00:02.08 | wsky | and we world was set on fire |
| 00:02.21 | pron | pingfloyd: it is not about something difrent , its about usability and desktop working out of the box |
| 00:02.22 | somiaj | erm3nda: I didn't have a question, I was trying to say please wind down the conversation and try to make it more debian support related. |
| 00:02.49 | erm3nda | <somiaj> yes I write little scripts for actions I do multiple times a day. It is handy to be able to do that and then put them in $HOME/bin |
| 00:02.52 | erm3nda | and what's that? |
| 00:03.10 | erm3nda | who's you talking? |
| 00:03.12 | somiaj | erm3nda: wasn't a question, more just a comment that I like the ability to be able to write little scripts that I work with on a day to day work to make my tasks easier. |
| 00:03.52 | erm3nda | i do use alias and a custom script dir :-) but do not differs so much |
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| 00:04.22 | erm3nda | u can do same thing on any operating system even if you found it only on Linux |
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| 00:04.41 | erm3nda | *any |
| 00:04.41 | pron | O_O |
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| 00:06.25 | erm3nda | pron, try Elive |
| 00:06.41 | pron | whats that? |
| 00:06.44 | voids | ^-^ |
| 00:07.02 | erm3nda | Debian based Enlightement distro |
| 00:07.08 | erm3nda | more like your Mac style |
| 00:07.11 | pron | oh enlightement |
| 00:07.13 | voids | http://pastebin.com/kVxrj8Cg violent french poetry machines |
| 00:07.18 | pron | i was withing for e17 i think for years |
| 00:07.25 | pron | waiting* |
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| 00:08.20 | pron | erm3nda: atm mint looks more or less usable, still have to try it on real harware, not sure hw touchpads are working now on linux |
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| 00:10.03 | pron | and find a terminal emulator that suits my needs :P |
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| 00:10.59 | iara | Guten Abend |
| 00:11.13 | erm3nda | Mint is bullshit, sorry |
| 00:11.27 | iara | hi :-) |
| 00:11.31 | iara | I m bored |
| 00:11.35 | erm3nda | well, it works out of the box, at first steps, it's working... yes |
| 00:11.40 | iara | mine graphic is shit |
| 00:11.47 | iara | but xchat also :-( |
| 00:11.50 | erm3nda | mine too, don't hesitate to build new one |
| 00:11.56 | pron | erm3nda: what is bad?=) |
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| 00:12.08 | iara | But what ever will happen |
| 00:12.14 | erm3nda | when something don't works, and you go to modify it... it's already strongly modified |
| 00:12.19 | iara | It have to be Debianb ;-) |
| 00:12.20 | erm3nda | and, for the most important |
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| 00:12.21 | iara | Hex hex |
| 00:12.27 | pron | ah well |
| 00:12.37 | iara | so wher u guys from? |
| 00:12.39 | erm3nda | pron, it does lock your search providers, even put their one |
| 00:12.41 | missmbob | !tell iara about de |
| 00:12.51 | missmbob | iara: this isn't a social channel. for that you can try #debian-offtopic |
| 00:12.54 | iara | is it allowed to have no support quest? |
| 00:12.56 | erm3nda | don't like so much "others" customizations, so i have choosed Debian |
| 00:13.01 | wsky | iara: i guess you can meet people from all continents here |
| 00:13.04 | voids | boringness goes away with deep vibes dubstep.fm |
| 00:13.05 | erm3nda | i would use Ubuntu before Mint |
| 00:13.06 | iara | thanks Lady :-* |
| 00:13.08 | pron | thats the thing i want desktop that works out of the box and i dont want to mess with it , i have linuxes without gui to spend my time on |
| 00:13.12 | wsky | iara:besides antarctica |
| 00:13.37 | pron | erm3nda: i noticed that firefox , luckily i dont use firefox |
| 00:13.53 | voids | ...:::PHRACK;;;... rising from its ashes |
| 00:13.54 | missmbob | pron: they have their own support channel. you should go talk to them about it |
| 00:14.01 | voids | imo best IS opera |
| 00:14.04 | erm3nda | pron i do use firefox on Debian, don't need a distro for it |
| 00:14.07 | wsky | erm3nda: yeah me too, mint had it's place when mate and cinnamon were exclusive to it |
| 00:14.10 | pron | missmbob: i dont care about that , at least yet |
| 00:14.19 | wsky | erm3nda: but now it's just muchworseubuntu |
| 00:14.21 | pron | erm3nda: debian is distro |
| 00:14.41 | erm3nda | don't need any special distro for it |
| 00:14.49 | erm3nda | take my words the way you like |
| 00:14.51 | wsky | erm3nda: it does not come with anything that ubuntu doesn't |
| 00:14.58 | erm3nda | it does |
| 00:15.03 | wsky | what with |
| 00:15.11 | erm3nda | search provider modified |
| 00:15.22 | erm3nda | out - of - the - box |
| 00:15.24 | wsky | and unity haven't got that? |
| 00:15.38 | voids | comes with no cluter ! |
| 00:15.39 | erm3nda | unsure, i don't use unity (ubuntu) |
| 00:15.43 | pron | erm3nda: and you cant change search provider? |
| 00:15.59 | erm3nda | i can, but on the Mint u have to access custom webpage and so on |
| 00:16.07 | erm3nda | it's a bit tricky, more that it's supposed to be |
| 00:16.28 | erm3nda | 5 months after install it, it broken... BROKEN |
| 00:16.33 | erm3nda | that has not happend to me using others |
| 00:16.42 | pron | ;D |
| 00:16.59 | pron | i am starting to be afraid of linux desktop |
| 00:17.01 | erm3nda | but like it when tried :-) Mint makes you feel it will be easy |
| 00:17.10 | erm3nda | that's because you didn't reach the needed curve step |
| 00:17.13 | erm3nda | go hard |
| 00:17.33 | pron | u have too much free time ;=) |
| 00:17.36 | voids | i m the son of a crazy man searching sazaraki, wl, satoshi |
| 00:17.55 | wsky | good for you |
| 00:17.57 | erm3nda | i have no free time. i do spent all of it |
| 00:18.01 | pron | i am looking for car , not construction kit |
| 00:18.03 | pron | ;P |
| 00:18.18 | voids | i have no gold, i give it all away |
| 00:18.32 | erm3nda | u have nothing, event void() |
| 00:18.55 | themill | Perhaps we can return to Debian user support now? |
| 00:19.07 | erm3nda | sure, sorry |
| 00:19.10 | pron | there are any debian related questions? |
| 00:19.19 | pron | well actualry i have one |
| 00:19.25 | pron | but noone will be able to ansver it here |
| 00:19.29 | voids | i have five drugs i must eat every day or they keep me locked in the psychiatric ward : - ( |
| 00:19.41 | pron | and the channel where i would be able to get ansver is dead i think |
| 00:19.54 | erm3nda | wich one is? |
| 00:20.01 | pron | #debian-boot |
| 00:20.18 | themill | pron: is there any chance of just asking questions without rambling on? |
| 00:20.20 | erm3nda | did u even asked about boot? |
| 00:20.26 | pron | yes |
| 00:20.28 | pron | :p |
| 00:20.29 | erm3nda | do again |
| 00:20.31 | pron | in #debian-boot |
| 00:21.25 | erm3nda | im sure that if you can write offtopic u can write that question here too |
| 00:21.47 | pron | whe you preseed you can define use preseed/include |
| 00:22.30 | GeMiNniS | bye |
| 00:22.34 | pron | if path is relative it will use directory from where orignal preseed file was taken |
| 00:22.50 | pron | if it is absolute it _SHOULD_ take well ansolute path |
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| 00:23.11 | pron | it doesnt , from what i have ovserved at last how i understand how it should work |
| 00:23.22 | pron | so how to get it include /tmp/somefile |
| 00:24.40 | pron | it is documented here https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs05.html.en |
| 00:25.13 | erm3nda | wich command did u used for preseed? |
| 00:26.11 | pron | over http |
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| 00:27.16 | erm3nda | over http does told me you used url, but im asking to see the command you used to search for typos |
| 00:27.23 | erm3nda | as you said it might work |
| 00:27.29 | tremon | pron: note that it actually doesn't say what happens if the filenames are absolute. did you check your http access logs? it could be that absolute is still searching the remote server |
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| 00:27.45 | pron | tremon: yes it is trying to grab it over http |
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| 00:28.08 | pron | erm3nda: preseed/url |
| 00:28.13 | pron | is part that is relevant |
| 00:28.40 | erm3nda | yes |
| 00:29.24 | erm3nda | as tremon points, double check for http resource to be really available |
| 00:29.32 | erm3nda | do u have network monitor or so? |
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| 00:29.41 | pron | what i wanted to do is run some scripts that make some decisions using classes mechanism, and generate some pressed stuff |
| 00:29.46 | pron | and then include it |
| 00:29.57 | tremon | I guess what pron is trying to do, is generate some installer parameters from inside the installer |
| 00:30.02 | pron | :P |
| 00:30.04 | pron | yes |
| 00:30.25 | pron | that should be less painfull if it worked like that |
| 00:30.39 | pron | well it will be way less painfull |
| 00:30.59 | tremon | can't you use debconf-set there? I haven't needed it yet, but I thought all installer options were simply debconf modules |
| 00:31.35 | tremon | so instead of generating a file with d-i statements, can't you just run debconf-set for each line? |
| 00:31.59 | pron | tremon: i can use db_set and stuff like this , but i am not sure how it works =) |
| 00:32.29 | erm3nda | pron, then read how to do it |
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| 00:32.51 | pron | you dont have to be so agro |
| 00:33.08 | erm3nda | im am not, im simply pointing you |
| 00:33.23 | pron | erm3nda: the include shoulda work with absolute paths difrently, otherwise ther eis no point to actualy mention relativ epaths |
| 00:33.54 | pron | also using include , makes maintenance easier |
| 00:33.59 | pron | imho |
| 00:36.17 | wsky | is building 4.7.2 |
| 00:36.27 | wsky | time to check 4.7 out |
| 00:36.53 | pron | anyways battery is almost empty and its almost 4 am :P time to sleep abit |
| 00:36.57 | pron | gn |
| 00:37.03 | wsky | anyone on 4.7 already? |
| 00:37.06 | wsky | pron: bye |
| 00:37.06 | erm3nda | see ya |
| 00:37.53 | erm3nda | wsky, im not early adopter :-) cuz problems are welcomed |
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| 00:38.02 | erm3nda | not on main desktop |
| 00:38.04 | erm3nda | and i have no other |
| 00:38.12 | wsky | erm3nda: well i'm looking forward to 4.9 |
| 00:38.20 | erm3nda | should i update? |
| 00:38.24 | erm3nda | upgrade * |
| 00:38.25 | wsky | since it will be the next long term |
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| 00:38.45 | wsky | idk man, if the kernel you got works for you then i see no pooint |
| 00:38.54 | erm3nda | that is more interesting even than stick to a non long term |
| 00:39.05 | erm3nda | works, but don't know what i am missing... so |
| 00:39.10 | erm3nda | 3.6 here |
| 00:39.12 | wsky | i'm having some issues on some kernels under this machine |
| 00:39.26 | wsky | so i needed to try some kernels out |
| 00:39.49 | wsky | and i stick to 4.1 so far since it seems to work the best on it so far |
| 00:40.04 | wsky | however i'm gonna try 4.7 out |
| 00:40.20 | wsky | maybe it works better |
| 00:40.32 | erm3nda | well, it's so different if you run into problems than if you just wan't more or newer features |
| 00:40.53 | wsky | i want it to work entirely good on this machine |
| 00:41.08 | erm3nda | fix machine |
| 00:41.09 | wsky | and every kernel i tried has at least one issue that affects me |
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| 00:41.19 | wsky | no it's a good machine |
| 00:41.22 | erm3nda | sure |
| 00:41.29 | erm3nda | but it doesnt work good with kernels :-) |
| 00:41.36 | WilliamC | How do you go about making a LiveCD with a large USB stick? |
| 00:41.37 | wsky | however the chipset seems not being entirely well supported |
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| 00:41.57 | wsky | erm3nda: it's the kernels that have bugs related to it, some work, some dont |
| 00:42.04 | erm3nda | WilliamC, why does matter the Mb size of USB stick? |
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| 00:42.19 | WilliamC | What you can fit on it. |
| 00:42.21 | erm3nda | wsky, buy a more compatible pc i meant |
| 00:42.33 | erm3nda | even if the bug is on the kernel part, it's on your side too |
| 00:42.36 | wsky | erm3nda: can you read my son? |
| 00:42.56 | wsky | erm3nda: some kernels work well some worse, it's a kernel related software issue, the machine is fine |
| 00:42.58 | erm3nda | me, son |
| 00:43.37 | erm3nda | unless you're barded old guy u can't call me son :C hahaha |
| 00:43.52 | wsky | i belive i just did |
| 00:44.05 | awal1 | I see a lot of kworker processes here all the time. I know they are stuff related to kernel but I only have a vague idea. A simple explanation of Kworker in human word, please :) |
| 00:44.20 | awal1 | words ^ |
| 00:44.55 | erm3nda | awal1, sure the internet has many explanations |
| 00:45.20 | awal1 | erm3nda, of course but still so technical :P |
| 00:45.34 | erm3nda | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1630347 |
| 00:45.41 | erm3nda | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.55 | erm3nda | then google for acpi then you'll know what it is there |
| 00:46.50 | awal1 | I was learning this http://askubuntu.com/questions/33640/kworker-what-is-it-and-why-is-it-hogging-so-much-cpu#52299 |
| 00:47.50 | awal1 | kworker/0:1, kworker/0:0, kworker/u16:0.... |
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| 00:48.19 | erm3nda | do you have any kind of problem with them? |
| 00:48.47 | awal1 | no, but no clue what they are |
| 00:49.00 | preaction | it's a thread that the kernel uses to do work |
| 00:49.06 | awal1 | we all google stuff but sometimes no clue even googling |
| 00:49.20 | preaction | that's what i learned from the link you pasted |
| 00:49.51 | preaction | so when the kernel needs to do something, like read a usb stick, respond to power commands, read a disk, read from the network, write to the network, and other system things, it uses a kworker thread to do it |
| 00:50.21 | erm3nda | yep, are ready to use or actualy opened threads for kernel operations |
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| 00:50.45 | erm3nda | you'll have many being used and many of them just ready |
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| 00:51.48 | awal1 | hmmm, my idea about kworker is better now :) |
| 00:52.09 | erm3nda | but u can still read more about :-) |
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| 00:54.52 | dmi3on | why I should not use systemd script for staring iptables script ? |
| 00:56.09 | duelle | dmi3on: There is a package for loading stored iptables rules on boot (iptables-persistent). Or what do you want to do? |
| 00:56.54 | pingfloyd | dmi3on: I put it in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ |
| 00:58.28 | erm3nda | awal1, grep . -r /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/ |
| 00:58.30 | dmi3on | duelle: I just don't see reason installing additional package when I can run iptables with systemd service script |
| 00:58.49 | erm3nda | that will give u an idea if kworker did worked or are stucked (consuming battery) wich is the common problem associated |
| 00:59.53 | dmi3on | duelle, pingfloyd: I understand, is there reason not to use systemd for script its just clean all script in one place :) |
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| 01:01.38 | awal1 | erm3nda, interesting |
| 01:03.00 | pingfloyd | dmi3on: if-pre-up.d directory will make sure the rules are applies before the interfaces are brought up |
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| 01:03.31 | dmi3on | I be more specific why not to use this: https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts for iptables ? |
| 01:05.44 | dmi3on | pingfloyd: in LSB this would be start $local_fs argument |
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| 01:07.23 | pingfloyd | what's local FSes have to do with timing on applying iptables rules? |
| 01:08.48 | dmi3on | its a boot facility, so script will start after $local_fs only |
| 01:09.20 | pingfloyd | how is when the local fs is mounted germane to it? |
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| 01:10.21 | dmi3on | what ? |
| 01:10.29 | iara | hmm |
| 01:10.37 | dmi3on | http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/initscrcomconv.html |
| 01:10.37 | iara | I got lost |
| 01:10.41 | missmbob | germane == relevant |
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| 01:11.05 | iara | celtic !! idiot |
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| 01:11.17 | pingfloyd | when your interfaces are brought up is though |
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| 01:14.40 | dmi3on | this will start before interfaces: "Required-Start: $local_fs" and this will start after interfaces "Required-Start: $local_fs $network" |
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| 01:17.00 | pingfloyd | if you're convinced it will, then just do it |
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| 01:21.43 | dmi3on | here is best info I fund: this is just awesome configs setup http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/202094/how-create-a-init-script-lsb-header-for-this-script-in-debian |
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| 01:22.21 | dmi3on | instead of 10's in diff location now they are all organized |
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| 01:31.45 | stoned | Just build dolphine emulator from git, my gamepad works at /dev/input/js0 but dolphin-emu shows /evdev/0/Logitech Gamepad F310 but no input happens from the buttons. If I cat /dev/input/js0 and move the joystick, I get output from each button. I can test this in KDE control panel also. How can I make dolphin-emu aware in the whol evdev thing? |
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| 01:33.41 | stoned | /dev/input/by-id/usb-Logitech_Gamepad_F310_87E898BA-event-joystick -> ../event23 and this event has rw permissions |
| 01:34.07 | stoned | crw-rw-r--+ 1 root input 13, 87 Aug 20 09:19 event23 |
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| 01:35.25 | stoned | Oh, nevermind. I have to configure each button in there. |
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| 01:45.03 | chachasmooth | "Every Debian Developer: has upload permissions for all packages" â has anyone abused this yet? |
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| 01:47.15 | erm3nda | i will not understand why something who works on a would be able to write b |
| 01:47.22 | erm3nda | *someone |
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| 01:49.36 | TomTomTo1 | it would be pretty quickly noticed and the culprit expelled. |
| 01:50.14 | wsky | a dev working on b would notice that instantly, most likely |
| 01:50.21 | wsky | but by then the damage could be done |
| 01:51.07 | TomTomTo1 | i've never heard of such a thing happening and there is no chance for such a thing getting into stable. |
| 01:51.09 | themill | Being able to upload other packages is rather important |
| 01:51.15 | erm3nda | well, ull be notified even if the user can't write (in fact) |
| 01:51.26 | erm3nda | well, group them |
| 01:51.29 | erm3nda | acl? |
| 01:53.42 | chachasmooth | I once read a really inspiring text at debian.org. the gist was something like: "do not expect other members of the community to be impressed by your skills". does anyone know what doc I'm referring to? :( |
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| 01:55.29 | erm3nda | cant u grep internet? |
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| 01:58.29 | somiaj | chachasmooth: the process of becoming a debian developer is not easy (many or maybe even most package matainers are not developers, but use sponsers to upload their packages). So I think the gain to break sid isn't really worth the work it would require to become a developer. |
| 01:59.02 | erm3nda | chachasmooth, well, it doesnt seems to be easy to found that text :) maybe u can search on waybackmachine |
| 01:59.59 | erm3nda | but use sponsers to upload their packages - nevermind |
| 02:00.34 | erm3nda | but sounds quite secure method, better than spend dev keys to everyone writting a module |
| 02:00.39 | erm3nda | *package |
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| 04:02.35 | captain | hello |
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| 04:03.30 | wsky | hi |
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| 04:04.26 | klys | guest45672, what's up? |
| 04:06.08 | Guest45672 | trying to stop my live kali persistant usb from freezing randomly |
| 04:06.48 | missmbob | !kali |
| 04:06.49 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 04:07.14 | missmbob | Guest45672: see them for support please ^ |
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| 04:08.27 | Guest45672 | yea already there ty |
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| 05:25.38 | Abrunacci | hi |
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| 05:25.51 | DC3__ | Thanks #debian for keeping linux real |
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| 05:26.13 | Abrunacci | I am looking for beta-testers... |
| 05:27.32 | Abrunacci | I have created a script to finish my installations of debian... It's very easy to use, but still fails in some places... |
| 05:28.17 | Abrunacci | If any of you is interested, https://github.com/Abrunacci/Autoinstall |
| 05:28.19 | DC3__ | I just finished installing debian |
| 05:28.20 | DC3__ | soz |
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| 05:31.12 | DC3__ | what's the trick to keep new windows from popping under the top panel in mate? |
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| 05:32.50 | ld | hi guys |
| 05:33.07 | ld | whats the correct way to install a package without internet? |
| 05:33.36 | Abrunacci | you have the .deb file? |
| 05:33.36 | DC3__ | dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 05:33.36 | dpkg | installs packagename.deb into dc3__'s head with a bone saw and a few screws |
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| 05:35.23 | ld | i have missing dependencies |
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| 05:35.35 | wsky | ld: best to download an entire debian release before that |
| 05:35.37 | DC3__ | then you have to download them and install them too |
| 05:35.38 | ld | so installing all those deps is going to mark them differentlyin the package db |
| 05:36.03 | wsky | ld: burn all on disks or move to a removable media so you'll have the complete set of packages with all needed dependencies |
| 05:36.05 | ld | so then if i uninstall the package later the system will think i want these useless packages and keep them |
| 05:36.25 | wsky | ld: and you'll be able to use them offline |
| 05:36.58 | ld | ok thanks |
| 05:37.02 | DC3__ | apt is smart enough with an --autoremove to figure out which junk is installed that you don't need |
| 05:37.05 | ld | i suppose this would have been in the debian handbook |
| 05:37.18 | DC3__ | there's a book?! |
| 05:37.31 | ld | a good one too |
| 05:38.00 | DC3__ | I didn't get the memo |
| 05:38.24 | wsky | why are you guys start speaking of books while i'm working at a story |
| 05:38.39 | wsky | this makes me feel compromised |
| 05:38.48 | DC3__ | and suspect too |
| 05:38.55 | wsky | ? |
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| 05:50.50 | DC3__ | holy moly |
| 05:51.06 | DC3__ | steam just works |
| 05:52.14 | DC3__ | devs. please don't go amdgpu-pro route. that nonsense sucks |
| 05:53.26 | DC3__ | 25 years of getting crap legacy amd drivers so we don't go out and buy new gpus. now all of a sudden we need state-of-the-art to run it? no thanks |
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| 05:56.40 | wsky | DC3__: i just ran steam. how do you know that. |
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| 05:59.40 | DC3__ | hax |
| 05:59.43 | DC3__ | :P |
| 05:59.52 | wsky | what do you mean by that. |
| 06:00.41 | DC3__ | jokin |
| 06:00.53 | wsky | what do you mean. |
| 06:00.57 | DC3__ | i was just running Cs:go to make sure it's ready for work tomorrow |
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| 06:08.15 | brokencycle | Hi! |
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| 06:33.56 | brokencycle | I have built a package using git-buildpackage, now I also want to use dgit. |
| 06:34.24 | brokencycle | But trying to build the package again, using dgit gbp-build, fails with some message |
| 06:34.37 | brokencycle | about quilt and linearization of patches. |
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| 06:34.55 | themill | You'd need to find a dgit user first... there's one or two out there |
| 06:34.58 | brokencycle | The package is very simple and has only two independent patches. |
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| 06:35.36 | brokencycle | themill: hrm. how to find them, please? |
| 06:36.02 | themill | dgit's designed chose not to look at any existing git packaging workflows with the result that it doesn't work well with them at the moment |
| 06:36.12 | themill | s/ed/er/ |
| 06:36.22 | themill | I think there is a mailing list |
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| 06:37.01 | brokencycle | It's my first time with dgit. I'm tempted to try to make dgit just upload the package as-is. |
| 06:37.14 | brokencycle | I'll take a look. |
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| 06:43.31 | brokencycle | thanks - using --quilt=smash also fails. I'll check elsewhere. |
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| 06:51.30 | pavlx | hi to everybody |
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| 06:53.58 | pavlx | hi everybody |
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| 06:56.11 | pavlx | which formats is possible to Import and Export from CAD dedicated to GNU/linux |
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| 06:57.48 | pavlx | and which formats is possible to Import and Export from CAD dedicated to Mac OS x and winzozz to GNU/linux? |
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| 06:59.24 | themill | !cad |
| 06:59.24 | dpkg | Computer Aided Design packages that are available in Debian include <librecad>, pythoncad, <freecad>. There are also programs designed for <electronics>. |
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| 06:59.34 | themill | pavlx: ^^ you'd need to look at what those packages support |
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| 07:01.49 | pavlx | grabcad, rattlecad |
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| 07:02.20 | themill | neither of them seems to be in Debian |
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| 07:03.20 | pavlx | but they exists |
| 07:04.02 | themill | The chances of #debian knowing anything about them is essentially zero, however |
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| 07:06.08 | pavlx | i am using a mobile phone to chat, my computers are out, because at home i have not adsl, cause of Vodafone Telco. I'll change ASAP |
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| 07:07.26 | pavlx | grabcad.com |
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| 07:09.26 | pavlx | rattlecad.sourceforge.net |
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| 07:13.37 | pavlx | now debian and the other distributions can upload grabcad and rattlecad in their mirrors. |
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| 07:15.36 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell pavlx -about rfp |
| 07:15.40 | themill | pavlx: grabcad doesn't look like Free software. rattlecad looks like it's pretty specific and hasn't got anyone excited enough to do the work to package it |
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| 07:16.30 | jmcnaught | pavlx: however if you are looking for CAD software on Debian it would be wise to start by looking at the software available as Debian packages |
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| 07:27.16 | pavlx | ok grabcad if anyone wants can be uploaded in the mirror where there are the other non Free Software |
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| 07:28.08 | pavlx | and rattlecad in the main with the others Free Softwares |
| 07:28.49 | themill | pavlx: It's not clear that grabcad can be redistributed. rattlecad can but that doesn't magically make someone do the work. If you're interested enough in it, perhaps you'd like to> |
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| 07:29.29 | pavlx | ok |
| 07:30.12 | Pr0metheus | anyone knows in gnome when i see no miners what to do, only one process found tracker-store, but it doesn't index : 0 files indexed |
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| 07:31.04 | pavlx | i sign up what dpkg said me in pvt, and between today and tomorrow, i'll do It. |
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| 07:33.07 | Pr0metheus | who |
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| 07:36.47 | pavlx | if in the past years i was interested to study: shock absorbers of mountain bikes and the frames |
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| 07:37.56 | pavlx | Sorry the forks, now i am interested to do the frames for DownHill Mountain bikes |
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| 08:12.25 | DebUser | Hi guys, can someone help me on this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23074888/ |
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| 08:15.26 | Putti | DebUser, look from internet how to sort installed packages by size and delete unnecessary ones |
| 08:15.59 | babilen | DebUser: What exactly do you need help with? Do you have troubles understanding the output? |
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| 08:16.33 | babilen | It really isn't helpful to just dump a pastebin into an IRC channel without a concrete question or hint as to what the problem is :) |
| 08:17.26 | DebUser | babilen: Putti: as you can see, the df shows my / partition is 100% which it's not. du command shows nothing. |
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| 08:18.17 | Putti | DebUser, okay, now we know what the problem is. Let's see. |
| 08:18.41 | DebUser | Putti: That was my mistake. so sorry I didn't declare the question |
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| 08:19.46 | babilen | DebUser: A difference between the two is normal and has been discussed at length in different articles on the internet |
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| 08:24.27 | djugashvili | i think debian became a botnet. |
| 08:24.32 | djugashvili | eventually. |
| 08:25.00 | djugashvili | the dev team distributes malware and leeches on the users |
| 08:25.17 | DebUser | djugashvili: no sign about that |
| 08:25.36 | djugashvili | well somehow people here know what i'[m doing atm |
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| 08:26.20 | djugashvili | either they hidden espionage aparature in my apt or they distributed malware via the standard debian update channels |
| 08:26.53 | digdilem | well, obviously the NSA wouldn't use windows itself, knowing how much it feeds back to microsoft - so there's a higher than usual chance they're spying on you professionally and also here as users |
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| 08:27.20 | DebUser | babilen: I couldn't understand what you meant |
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| 08:27.31 | babilen | djugashvili: Do you have an actual support question? |
| 08:27.42 | djugashvili | can you go fuck yourself? |
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| 08:27.51 | babilen | DebUser: Search google for "du df difference" and read some of the many articles that come up |
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| 08:28.20 | DebUser | ok thanks. I'll check it babilen |
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| 08:31.22 | babilen | DebUser: http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.de/2008/12/why-du-and-df-display-different-values.html looks as if it might go into some detail, but I am not familiar with it nor able to comment on its technical merit |
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| 09:26.16 | dutchfish | lovezrs, maybe ask #debian-next ? |
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| 09:32.15 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 09:32.15 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 09:55.55 | luxio | what happens if I do "dd if=/dev/urandom of=*" |
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| 09:58.29 | Gabs5807_ | luxio: it depends on what * is matching .. |
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| 09:59.55 | Gabs5807_ | if the shell replace * then the first file is overwritten with random data. |
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| 10:00.17 | Gabs5807_ | if not you have a file * |
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| 10:01.52 | Elirips | Hello. I just noticed there already is a /var/backups and a group 'backup' as a default on debian jessie. What tools are using /var/backups as default? Is it save to change permissions of /var/backups to 770, and make it get owned by the user root and group backup, or will I break existing things and should rather create a new directory? |
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| 10:02.41 | Gabs5807_ | in the first case it could be possible that you gon an error because * is replaced by multible files and this causes an syntax error for dd |
| 10:03.14 | jelly | Gabs5807_: that inconsistency is just in bash (and there's a setting to fix it); zsh for example won't let you of=* unless there's a an actual filename starting with "of=" |
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| 10:05.42 | Gabs5807_ | if dd will work your file system will be 100% full because urandom will never stop sending random values. |
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| 10:07.40 | Gabs5807_ | jelly: yes therefore i wrote depends on what * is matching. tcsh may use a third way .. |
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| 10:10.03 | Gabs5807_ | if the shell replace * to the files a b c then the command is dd if=/dev/urandom of= a b c and this is not a correct syntax for dd |
| 10:10.39 | Gabs5807_ | .. of=a b c .. ^^ |
| 10:11.48 | Gabs5807_ | if the shell did not replace * then you now have a big file * ;-) |
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| 10:13.28 | Gabs5807_ | luxio: the question is what you want to do? |
| 10:13.43 | luxio | Gabs5807_: write random data over everything |
| 10:13.52 | luxio | would dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda work? |
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| 10:14.43 | BillKGR | luxio: I mean, you can always try it and tell us the results |
| 10:14.56 | Gabs5807_ | yes if you want to destroy the content of your whole disk. |
| 10:15.10 | frostschutz | luxio, it works, yes... but urandom is slow. dd with small blocksize is slow. faster alternative is: shred -v -n 1 /dev/kaputt |
| 10:16.04 | littlebit | hi people, I have installed debian with no problems, but yet I have a locale problem and I use the following link https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Perl_warning_Setting_locale_failed_in_Debian |
| 10:16.11 | littlebit | and that didn't work |
| 10:16.15 | littlebit | any tipps |
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| 10:16.43 | Gabs5807_ | you can also use the option bs= for blocksize (show man dd). |
| 10:18.15 | hassoon | why the heck is kde requesting root password when going to suspend, this behavior has appeared recently, what's going on |
| 10:19.22 | petn-randall | hassoon: Did you update anything recently? |
| 10:19.43 | hassoon | petn-randall: sure, some regular sudo apt-get update/upgrade operation |
| 10:20.25 | petn-randall | hassoon: Which release are you running on? |
| 10:20.30 | Gabs5807_ | littlebit: did you set the requested environment? |
| 10:20.51 | hassoon | petn-randall: jessie/8.5 |
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| 10:21.38 | Gabs5807_ | i think this is only a warning and should not affect the perl programs |
| 10:23.53 | Gabs5807_ | during installation the pre/post install commands may be written in perl. if the environment is not set to a language this warning is shown. |
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| 10:25.04 | themill | littlebit: how are you logging in? |
| 10:25.36 | Gabs5807_ | you can set the requested environment variables to 'C' then the warnings should not come. |
| 10:26.21 | petn-randall | hassoon: Can you show us the output of 'id' from your user, and the logs of /var/log/apt/history.log from since this problem is showing up? |
| 10:26.34 | petn-randall | hassoon: http://paste.debian.net |
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| 10:26.55 | hassoon | petn-randall: id from my user, what does that mean |
| 10:27.28 | CuteMeOwnThroat | jelly, that's not an inconsistency |
| 10:27.53 | CuteMeOwnThroat | the unexpandable * thing |
| 10:27.57 | petn-randall | hassoon: Run 'id' in a terminal, and show us the output. |
| 10:27.57 | heller- | damn nano |
| 10:28.04 | heller- | why cant it be better oob |
| 10:28.19 | heller- | i mean tab space could be 4 and more colors |
| 10:28.27 | hassoon | an id command? insteresting :o |
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| 10:29.58 | littlebit | themill: i log onto the system via ssh |
| 10:30.12 | littlebit | Gabs5807_: this is a clean installation |
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| 10:30.38 | jelly | CuteMeOwnThroat: if a shell does different things depending on contents of cwd, I'm calling the behaviour inconsistent |
| 10:30.54 | littlebit | Gabs5807_: the only thing that I have done that could have affected the system is that I have set my location 'germany' and the language and keyboard layout to en_us |
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| 10:32.40 | jelly | CuteMeOwnThroat: this rears its ugly head in other places: eg. commands that use ~something as parameters, behaving differently whether "something" is present in passwd database or not |
| 10:33.22 | Gabs5807_ | littlebit: yes. i have the same warnings on my installation. the requested environmen i not set by default. |
| 10:34.13 | CuteMeOwnThroat | jelly, so you'd want a shell that echos the same thing for echo * |
| 10:34.41 | Gabs5807_ | you can set it at the .profile file of the root user (where you run the install or update commands). |
| 10:35.16 | CuteMeOwnThroat | it's not inconsistent... question really is what to do with pattern matching chars when there is no match |
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| 10:36.07 | CuteMeOwnThroat | and throwing an error and not running the command also has some backdraws |
| 10:36.07 | bipul | Hello, i need to confirm something in ACL, Changing group permissions on a file with an ACL by using chmod does not change the group-owner permissions, but does change the ACL mask. ? |
| 10:36.51 | jelly | bipul: can you show an example? |
| 10:36.55 | Gabs5807_ | it is also possible, that the sudo command did not pass the environment to the sub shell. |
| 10:37.11 | bipul | jelly, sure |
| 10:37.26 | bipul | Give me a minute i will past you the whole scenario. |
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| 10:37.56 | jelly | !paste |
| 10:37.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:38.14 | CuteMeOwnThroat | and no, chmod wouldn't touch acls... |
| 10:38.47 | ansgar | bipul: man:acl(5), "CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN ACL ENTRIES AND FILE PERMISSION BITS" might help you |
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| 10:39.08 | ansgar | CuteMeOwnThroat: It actually does though :P |
| 10:39.10 | CuteMeOwnThroat | or obviously they would for the ones representing them |
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| 10:39.41 | CuteMeOwnThroat | ansgar, yeah, sorry... bit of a knot there |
| 10:39.54 | CuteMeOwnThroat | still don't know how to phrase it |
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| 10:41.03 | hassoon | petn-randall: id's output: http://paste.debian.net/790758/ ; and the log from /var/log/apt/history.log from when this behaviour started happening http://paste.debian.net/790759/ |
| 10:41.54 | hassoon | not convinced that this behaviour is caused by xinput-calibrator Oo |
| 10:45.26 | CuteMeOwnThroat | pft, dunno what i was thinking there |
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| 10:48.07 | Gabs5807_ | bipul: acl use a seperat structur for its content and can be enabled and disabled at mount command. chmod and chown/chgrp did not know any thing about thus structure and work also with dusabled acls. |
| 10:48.35 | Gabs5807_ | .. disabled ..^^ |
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| 10:53.19 | bipul | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/790762/ |
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| 10:54.53 | bipul | And it inherited the value of group owner permission i.e 6 in mask field* |
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| 10:57.13 | littlebit | Gabs5807_: how did you solve it?? |
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| 11:01.37 | Gabs5807_ | what show getfacl if you make newgrp hary? |
| 11:03.43 | bipul | Gabs5807_, give me time, I will ask same question with better and more Precise way |
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| 11:06.28 | hassoon | petn-randall: okey ? |
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| 11:08.13 | shrewd_ | hi |
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| 11:08.28 | shrewd_ | is anyone here |
| 11:08.35 | shrewd_ | i have a question |
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| 11:09.35 | t4nk408 | qq |
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| 11:15.49 | petn-randall | Hi shrewd_, just ask your question. |
| 11:15.52 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 11:15.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 11:18.07 | petn-randall | hassoon Have you rebooted since the issue showed up? A quick search hinted that it might only be a temporary problem. |
| 11:18.25 | hassoon | petn-randall: nope, should i reboot and see ? |
| 11:18.31 | shrewd_ | my disk have two partiton disk area and swapping area. system area is 19 gb swap is 2 gb and secondary area is 217 gb. i want to move system files to secondary area. i try to make it with symbolic link. i made it but first area's memory is not changing. when i made rm -r xxx , it is deleting. what is my problem |
| 11:19.06 | petn-randall | hassoon: yeah, try that. |
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| 11:19.18 | hassoon | petn-randall: oket |
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| 11:19.21 | hassoon | * okey |
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| 11:21.18 | tomreyn | shrewd_: use mv to actually move data. symbolic links do not move data between partitions, they just add another way to reach the existing data at the previous location. |
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| 11:21.52 | petn-randall | !tell shrewd_ -about crosspost |
| 11:22.23 | petn-randall | shrewd_: Why are you asking again in here? You're already getting answers in the other channel. |
| 11:22.24 | Gabs5807_ | bipul: i cannot reproduce this behavoure on my debian 8 on the ext4 filesystem. |
| 11:22.27 | tomreyn | i meant to say 'file systems' (which are usually stored on partitions), not 'partitions' there. |
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| 11:25.01 | Gabs5807_ | do you have some inheritabe acls on the parent directory? |
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| 12:23.52 | jez9999 | Hi guys, I can't get systemd writing a persistent journal to /var/log/journal in Debian Jessie. I have tried giving it the correct permissions and I have Storage=persistent in journald.conf but it STILL doesn't write anything. Anyone know why? |
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| 12:44.26 | ottios | Hey people! quick noob question, where can i find which Linux kernel version is being used in the latest Stable x64 installation? |
| 12:44.50 | missmbob | ,kernel |
| 12:44.51 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1) |
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| 12:46.55 | ottios | thanks Judd! |
| 12:47.08 | missmbob | :P |
| 12:47.18 | judd | no worries |
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| 13:00.56 | ottios | another noobie question: I'm about to do a jessie x64 install on a laptop - and I'd like to make sure before I dive into the deep end of the pool. |
| 13:01.13 | ottios | The cools guys who wrote this page: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/UX305FA , said that for best results after I boot it the first time after the installation, I'll have to get the new Linux-kernel from the Backports (ie (use kernel >= 4.0)). |
| 13:01.26 | ottios | Is that correct? did I get that right? |
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| 13:03.10 | rudi_s | ottios: I don't know the laptop, but according to the website a newer kernel is required for some features like wireless. |
| 13:03.43 | ottios | so I can just "install" it from the backports, right? what are the downsides? |
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| 13:04.24 | rudi_s | ottios: Yes. However the instructions on that website don't seem right. No need to pin anything, just add backports (not sid!) to your sources and install it. |
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| 13:04.56 | rudi_s | Slower/No security updates is one downside of backports kernels. |
| 13:05.13 | rudi_s | On the other hand you get the latest stable kernel release (with some delay). |
| 13:06.35 | ottios | so edit "/etc/apt/sources.list" with the jessie-backports, and then "sudo apt-get -t unstable install linux-image linux-headers", right? |
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| 13:09.54 | rudi_s | ottios: Replace unstable with jessie-backports (I think), then yes. |
| 13:10.16 | rudi_s | (You need and apt-get update before the install.) |
| 13:10.21 | Rephlexie | wiki hasnt been updated for 7 months about so ^ |
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| 13:11.44 | ottios | awesome, thanks Rudi, I'll try it out - Have a great Sunday everybody! |
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| 13:19.05 | rudi_s | np |
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| 13:51.00 | isaac1 | Struggling to debug my audio |
| 13:51.23 | isaac1 | would appreciate help please |
| 13:52.23 | fasdfd | Hi, if I want to add an alternative repo for one of applications I use, will it be pinned to 100 in apt-cache policy by default so that it doesn't mess something up? I'm on jessie. |
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| 13:54.01 | Amok_Huginnsson | Hello. I have a question regarding private package repositories, versioning conventions and automatic upgrades. I have a project that I work on and to simplify its deployment I created private package repository (using mini-dinstall). My versioning scheme for the packates is: x.y.z-0stringYYYYMMDD. My problems is that apt-get dist-upgrade does not want to update my packages to newer builds. |
| 13:54.07 | Amok_Huginnsson | apt-cache policy {pkgname} returns no "***" for version that is actually newer, minimym-priority-to-consider is 1 for newer build and 100 for older, currently installed build. dpkg --compare-versions returns expected results when I compare newer and older builds. Why apt-get dist-upgrade does not want to upgrade my package? |
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| 13:55.29 | rudi_s | !tell isaac1 about ask |
| 13:56.16 | rudi_s | fasdfd: No, per default all repos are 500. |
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| 13:58.42 | rudi_s | Amok_Huginnsson: Are you pinning? Have both repos 500? |
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| 13:58.54 | themill | dpkg: tell Amok_Huginnsson about bat |
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| 14:00.39 | Amok_Huginnsson | rudi_s: I do not think I am pinning as I do not know what is it. I do not know what do you mean by "Have both repos 500?". |
| 14:00.50 | Amok_Huginnsson | themill: I will prepare outputs |
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| 14:01.34 | rudi_s | Amok_Huginnsson: apt-cache policy gives you a number after the version string, it should be 500 for both versions. |
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| 14:04.52 | Amok_Huginnsson | Information about my problem: http://paste.debian.net/790799/ |
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| 14:05.43 | themill | Amok_Huginnsson: your pinning is incorrect (and you should ask #ubuntu about that) |
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| 14:06.12 | Amok_Huginnsson | themill: I have the same problem on Debian system |
| 14:06.28 | Amok_Huginnsson | I support both |
| 14:06.34 | themill | your pinning is still incorrect |
| 14:08.12 | Amok_Huginnsson | themill: You mean I have to manually pin this repository to different value? |
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| 14:08.46 | petn-randall | Amok_Huginnsson: yes |
| 14:08.49 | Amok_Huginnsson | themill: Can this be done on repository side? |
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| 14:09.32 | petn-randall | Amok_Huginnsson: Yes, repos can indicate a pin-priority, which can be overridden on the client side. |
| 14:09.36 | themill | Amok_Huginnsson: you have configured that repository so that apt doesn't install things from it |
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| 14:10.29 | Amok_Huginnsson | petn-randall, themill: Thank you, I will look for the information how to fix my repository configuration. |
| 14:10.37 | themill | NotAutomatic: yes |
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| 14:10.47 | heller- | damnit |
| 14:10.54 | heller- | installed 3 debians yesterday |
| 14:10.57 | heller- | all have wrong time |
| 14:11.22 | heller- | and seems like its not updating |
| 14:11.31 | heller- | i've dont dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 14:11.37 | heller- | oh nothing. |
| 14:12.00 | petn-randall | heller-: Is it the wrong *time*, or wrong *timezone*? |
| 14:12.13 | heller- | timezone |
| 14:12.20 | heller- | was london, and im in helsinki |
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| 14:12.34 | petn-randall | heller-: Are you dualbooting with windows? |
| 14:12.37 | themill | What does 'date --utc' say? |
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| 14:15.20 | heller- | petn-randall: no |
| 14:15.39 | heller- | root@phpbian:/var/www/logger# date |
| 14:15.39 | heller- | Sun 21 Aug 17:15:33 EEST 2016 |
| 14:15.43 | heller- | its okay now |
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| 14:16.55 | dvs | heller-, <themill> What does 'date --utc' say? |
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| 14:23.34 | Amok_Huginnsson | All the information I can find about setting pinning priority is about client side pinning, how can I set this default pinning in my repository? |
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| 14:23.52 | Amok_Huginnsson | I mean, server-side |
| 14:24.32 | petn-randall | Amok_Huginnsson: With what tools are you creating your repo? |
| 14:24.34 | ansgar | Amok_Huginnsson: See man:apt_preferences(5), "NotAutomatic" and "ButAutomaticUpgrades" |
| 14:24.51 | ansgar | Or https://wiki.debian.org/RepositoryFormat#NotAutomatic_and_ButAutomaticUpgrades |
| 14:25.52 | Amok_Huginnsson | ansgar: Thanks for the link |
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| 14:28.52 | heller- | root@phpbian:/var/www/logger# date --utc |
| 14:28.53 | heller- | Sun 21 Aug 14:28:49 UTC 2016 |
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| 14:30.31 | dvs | heller-, That fine. As long as the third line in /etc/adjtime says "UTC", it should be fine. |
| 14:30.45 | heller- | okies |
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| 14:34.19 | MaBunny | hey guys |
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| 14:35.40 | MaBunny | wht is the name of debootstrap binary for jes |
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| 14:47.34 | Elronnd | Right now I'm stuck on a laptop with a trackpad |
| 14:47.44 | Elronnd | Is there a way to reverse the direction of the two-finger-scroll? |
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| 14:50.09 | Amok_Huginnsson | petn-randall, ansgar, themill: I found the culprit, I use mini-dinstall to create my repository and in mini-dinstall configuration I had `experimental_release=true' setting added which caused mini-dinstall to add `NotAutomatic: yes' stanza to be added to Release files. After I changed experimental_release to false and kicked off a build, my apt-get dist-upgrade started working as expected. Thanks |
| 14:50.15 | Amok_Huginnsson | again for your help. |
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| 14:52.41 | g00se1 | Why is stat not giving me birth time if i'm using ext4? |
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| 14:58.55 | rudi_s | g00se1: It looks like the linux syscall doesn't pass that information to stat. Not sure if that information is still up-to-date though. |
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| 14:59.57 | g00se1 | Ah. Effectively stat is out of date? |
| 15:01.13 | rudi_s | g00se1: No, if the information I found is still correct, then the kernel doesn't tell stat the birth time. |
| 15:02.07 | g00se1 | Right. I suppose the previous workaround is stuff like using find -cnewer x ? |
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| 15:03.21 | rudi_s | If you really need the birth time, then there's no workaround. |
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| 15:05.25 | g00se1 | Well i suppose i want to find out which directories have been created most recently |
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| 15:06.26 | rudi_s | g00se1: Then you're out of luck. This information is not available. |
| 15:06.42 | rudi_s | You can of course use ctime, but that's the last attribute change and not the creation time. |
| 15:06.59 | g00se1 | OK. cnewer will have to do |
| 15:08.51 | g00se1 | What i don't get is why a kernel would not support such an important new fs feature |
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| 15:25.14 | techie28 | Hi I am trying to use clonezilla to create restorable state for my Debian system.. after following the manual I have reached the point where a directory is created by clonezilla |
| 15:25.27 | techie28 | how do I use this directory for restoring the OS? |
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| 16:25.45 | jak2000 | cant ping to google.com resolve.conf have 8.8.8.8 any advice why? |
| 16:26.15 | dvs | jak2000, nope, try traceroute 8.8.8.8 |
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| 16:28.09 | jak2000 | 1 64.137.172.92 (64.137.172.92) 3000.011 ms IH 2999.972 ms IH 2999.965 ms IH |
| 16:28.13 | jak2000 | only this line |
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| 16:29.37 | sypher | jak2000: man traceroute. |
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| 16:29.56 | sypher | jak2000: The H implies that something is interrupting communication. Could be the NIC configuration is wrong, or a firewall issue. |
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| 16:31.50 | jak2000 | ok |
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| 16:33.47 | MaxLanar | Hi. My /tmp is full. Here's some df/du output : http://paste.debian.net/790815/. Isn't there something weird ? du should report more heavy files/dirs right ? Or is my syntax incorrect for what I am trying to discover (heavy files) ? And is that difference with df (used : 100%) and dh -i (used 1%) normal ? |
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| 16:34.36 | MaxLanar | (indeed a lot of other programs complains that my /tmp is full) |
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| 16:40.46 | frostschutz | MaxLanar, /tmp/* does usually not include hidden files. try xdiskusage /tmp/. also there could be deleted files but a running process still has a handle on the deleted file so space is not freed until process closes the file |
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| 16:41.21 | jaggz | !dpkg testing > jaggz |
| 16:41.26 | frostschutz | MaxLanar, df -i doesn't matter as long as it's not 100% |
| 16:41.32 | jaggz | hm |
| 16:42.21 | jaggz | (yeah yeah, I just queried instead) |
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| 16:45.34 | MaxLanar | frostschutz: xdiskusage says my /tmp is 1.766Mi |
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| 16:46.46 | jak2000 | why not update my system only say: 129 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them. |
| 16:46.50 | jak2000 | apt update |
| 16:46.55 | apt | i heard update is http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/07/11/nokia-n9-software-update-pr1-3/ |
| 16:47.12 | jak2000 | apt update |
| 16:47.12 | apt | somebody said update was http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/07/11/nokia-n9-software-update-pr1-3/ |
| 16:48.27 | MaxLanar | frostschutz: is there a nice command able to show deleted files still owned/opened by wich process ? |
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| 16:49.09 | frostschutz | MaxLanar, lsof? In your case maybe also fuser -m /tmp/? |
| 16:49.28 | frostschutz | MaxLanar, other possibilities are open loop devices... or a filesystem corruption that makes filesystem calculate free space wrong |
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| 16:51.44 | frostschutz | MaxLanar, or `ls -l /proc/*/fd/* | grep /tmp/` might show stuff like /proc/1888/fd/5 -> /tmp/ib1hCeCE (deleted) and you can check the size of fd/5 |
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| 16:52.31 | jak2000 | 3 hours on maria channel andno answer |
| 16:52.35 | frostschutz | but that ls does not catch everything either (like maps, linked libraries, there's all sorts of stuff) |
| 16:53.12 | MaxLanar | frostschutz: OK, I found and kill the responsible with fuser -m /tmp ! |
| 16:53.39 | MaxLanar | frostschutz: thank you. And I write down your last advice for later :) |
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| 17:06.25 | GaryHost | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 17:06.33 | GaryHost | deb command not found |
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| 17:07.09 | babilen | GaryHost: That's an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:07.32 | GaryHost | editing file now |
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| 17:11.12 | GaryHost | ok |
| 17:11.17 | GaryHost | apparently I dont have write access |
| 17:11.49 | jaggz | : Conflicting distribution: http://ftp.us.debian.org stable-backports InRelease (expected stable-backports but got jessie-backports) |
| 17:12.04 | jaggz | I'm trying to use 'stable' instead of jessie.. hmm |
| 17:12.15 | babilen | GaryHost: You have to be root to edit it. You can also alleviate your privileges with sudo if you have configured that. |
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| 17:12.38 | GaryHost | ok so debian tells me it does not allow root logins |
| 17:12.40 | babilen | jaggz: Don't use 'stable' but the actual codename. Any particular reason why you want to use 'stable' ? |
| 17:12.49 | GaryHost | when I do sudo |
| 17:13.01 | babilen | GaryHost: No, but you can become root by issuing the "su" command and entering your root password. |
| 17:13.02 | GaryHost | it says I am not a sudoer |
| 17:13.20 | babilen | GaryHost: Did you install and configure sudo? |
| 17:13.43 | GaryHost | no |
| 17:14.18 | babilen | Use "su" then |
| 17:14.21 | babilen | dpkg: sudoers |
| 17:14.22 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information. |
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| 17:18.29 | GaryHost | ok |
| 17:18.32 | GaryHost | so I got su to work |
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| 17:18.48 | GaryHost | 1 step forward 3 steps back |
| 17:18.52 | isaac1 | No audio; however alsactl init produces: |
| 17:19.04 | isaac1 | Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Intel Broadwell HDMI" "HDA:80862808,80860101,00100000" "0x1028" "0x062c" |
| 17:19.06 | isaac1 | Hardware is initialized using a generic method |
| 17:19.23 | isaac1 | What should be the next step in debugging please? |
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| 17:20.55 | GaryHost | how do I open/edit the sources.list from xterm as root |
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| 17:22.24 | GaryHost | I tried changing to the directory /ect/apt/ |
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| 17:23.25 | GaryHost | told me no such file or directory |
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| 17:24.12 | LtL | GaryHost: it is /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:24.22 | LtL | typo dude |
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| 17:25.15 | CuteMeOwnThroat | "(minimally secure)"??? |
| 17:25.29 | GaryHost | insert facepalm here |
| 17:25.31 | GaryHost | thanks |
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| 17:27.50 | sphrax | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:34.45 | GaryHost | ok |
| 17:35.08 | GaryHost | documentation for editing files in xterm |
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| 17:37.30 | discovered | Trying to install nvidia 960. For this i need to go for Console mode. I am pressing CTRL+F1 But it always shows black screen. pressing CTRL+f7 take back to GUI. How do i get in console mode? |
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| 17:38.39 | LtL | GaryHost: is that a question? |
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| 17:38.58 | discovered | Anyone can help me to install the nvidia driver? |
| 17:39.06 | missmbob | hrm. bts woring okay? i reported a bug hours ago and it still hasn't shown up. hrm. |
| 17:39.11 | missmbob | working* |
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| 17:40.06 | GaryHost | I am just trying to figure out how to add this repository to my list |
| 17:40.27 | missmbob | GaryHost: nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list will let you edit the file |
| 17:40.46 | GaryHost | thank you |
| 17:41.04 | GaryHost | trying to edit it in xterm is making me want to anhero |
| 17:41.49 | missmbob | GaryHost: google is your friend for such easy things. just fyi. you would've gotten your answer more quickly. |
| 17:42.06 | winsen | Hi all |
| 17:42.34 | GaryHost | I did google it |
| 17:42.47 | GaryHost | I am just a retard |
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| 17:43.14 | daio | hey all |
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| 17:43.18 | daio | I just grabbed the jessie install DVD |
| 17:43.20 | MikeSeth | discovered: ctrl-alt-f1? |
| 17:43.31 | daio | why is there no 'vmlinux' in isolinux |
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| 17:47.42 | babilen | GaryHost: Are you root? |
| 17:47.56 | GaryHost | yes |
| 17:48.17 | GaryHost | finally edited my lists file |
| 17:48.46 | GaryHost | onward to updating the list of available packages |
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| 17:48.49 | babilen | Ah, great. Well dont. |
| 17:48.52 | babilen | *done |
| 17:50.07 | GaryHost | thanks I am a little confused on this part but I really need to get something to eat |
| 17:50.21 | GaryHost | so I will be back in a minute after abusing google |
| 17:52.02 | babilen | GaryHost: I would recommend to read https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
| 17:52.22 | GaryHost | Thank you |
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| 17:54.42 | discovered | MikeSeth, Yes... I pressed those key... Black screen |
| 17:55.14 | MikeSeth | discovered: odd. I suppose boot into X-less mode |
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| 17:57.08 | discovered | Perhaps hardware issue MikeSeth ? I have built my new System with x99 motherboard and intel X-series processor |
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| 17:57.41 | jak2000 | how to remove mariadb-server package completly? |
| 17:57.49 | discovered | MikeSeth, |
| 17:58.14 | MikeSeth | discovered: I can't say, more often than not, driver issue, i highly suggest the latest kernel |
| 17:58.58 | discovered | You mean, manually install the new kernel? MikeSeth |
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| 18:00.36 | MikeSeth | discovered: for some value of manually |
| 18:00.45 | MikeSeth | I don't remember when was the last time I compiled a kernel |
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| 18:01.02 | lostcoffee | my keyboard works in the console, but not under X. Is there something I can reconfigure to fix this? |
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| 18:02.04 | jak2000 | cant remove mariadb-server and reinstall http://pastie.org/10938517 any advice? |
| 18:02.34 | discovered | Any other ways guys? |
| 18:02.52 | MikeSeth | lostcoffee: look in xorg logs |
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| 18:05.28 | c0ldfront | Afternoon, I am trying to expand my Raid5 which currently has 3x2tb hds right now, I added an extra 2tb hd to the raid5, and executed for expansion. So far it is on 36% for the past day and half, is this normal? I am using a perc 6 raid controller, with dell openmanage for managing the storage. |
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| 18:08.41 | lostcoffee | MikeSeth: Thanks, I see a line like "Hotplugging is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse', or 'vmmouse' will be disabled", followed by "Disabling Keyboard0". Why's this? |
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| 18:09.43 | MikeSeth | lostcoffee: IIRC some dbus nonsense, is dbus running? |
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| 18:10.37 | MikeSeth | disable hotplugging, see what happens |
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| 18:10.45 | lostcoffee | MikeSeth: no, and now that you mention that, I think it's been like that for a while |
| 18:12.34 | discovered | I installed Debian on SSD. It took 17GB as swap. It is lots of space |
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| 18:13.20 | MikeSeth | discovered: what do you mean 'it took' |
| 18:14.05 | discovered | MikeSeth, It automatically partitioned for swap |
| 18:14.19 | MikeSeth | discovered: repartition it then |
| 18:14.29 | MikeSeth | parted + resize2fs |
| 18:14.56 | missmbob | eh for a newbiew on a new system maybe it's easier to reinstall and tell the installer how big you want things |
| 18:15.05 | discovered | How much swap space i need? |
| 18:15.06 | missmbob | newbie* |
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| 18:15.37 | MikeSeth | discovered: how much ram on the box |
| 18:15.49 | MikeSeth | I go with 2gb, 4 if i expect heavy usage |
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| 18:15.58 | missmbob | discovered: if you want hibernate to work properly at least 2x ram. if you don't care about that..then..doesn't matter too much |
| 18:16.02 | discovered | Currently, 16GB in few days i will add more 16GB |
| 18:16.29 | MikeSeth | discovered: w/o hibernate 2 would do finely |
| 18:16.43 | discovered | ? |
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| 18:17.15 | discovered | MikeSeth, Sorry, did not understand |
| 18:17.21 | NoirX | hello |
| 18:17.43 | mtn | discovered: if you don't use suspend to disk, you don't need any swap at all |
| 18:17.44 | NoirX | how to know my debian version please! |
| 18:17.48 | MikeSeth | discovered: 2Gb |
| 18:18.01 | missmbob | NoirX: cat /etc/debian_version or lsb_release -a |
| 18:18.08 | discovered | Okay |
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| 18:20.03 | discovered | I am trying to adjust my monitor brightness using xbacklight . But it throws error RANDR Query Version returned error -1 |
| 18:20.39 | discovered | feeling very uncomfortable with my new desktop computer |
| 18:20.40 | ryouma | discovered: you can also try /proc and ddccontrol |
| 18:21.07 | MikeSeth | discovered: xrandr doesn't support it then |
| 18:21.19 | NoirX | missmbob: correct, my version 7.11 what is the current stable, do you advice to upgrade |
| 18:21.35 | ryouma | discovered: ddccontrol -p -r 0x10 -w ${1:-0} >/dev/null 2>&1 inside a shell function |
| 18:21.37 | MikeSeth | stable is very old |
| 18:21.38 | bipul | Hi, Could anyone check it out this >> http://paste.debian.net/plain/790831 It's ACL's related issue. |
| 18:21.47 | missmbob | NoirX: 8.5 |
| 18:21.54 | NoirX | ok |
| 18:21.55 | missmbob | !tell NoirX about wheezy->jessie |
| 18:22.13 | missmbob | NoirX: read the upgrade notes in that bot msg. apache in particular breaks badly |
| 18:22.43 | ryouma | discovered: i mean /sys |
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| 18:23.18 | discovered | ddccontrol command is ugly. I ran the command but no difference |
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| 18:23.29 | missmbob | NoirX: take a look at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat |
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| 18:24.23 | ryouma | discovered: as is or in a shell fucntion? |
| 18:24.35 | NoirX | missmbob, really great how you help |
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| 18:24.54 | discovered | ryouma, I just ran it in console |
| 18:24.54 | ryouma | discovered: linux is ugly |
| 18:24.59 | ryouma | discovered: then you did i wrong |
| 18:25.06 | discovered | Still i love Linux |
| 18:25.13 | ryouma | echo $1 to find out what you just did |
| 18:26.25 | hitchDiddy | can anyone give me an advice for sandboxing a python application. I want to run untrusted code from a web-editor on my debian-server and compare the stdout of that code |
| 18:26.55 | discovered | ryouma, Can you please give me the command. I never used these command before. |
| 18:27.10 | ryouma | discovered: ddccontrol -p -r 0x10 -w 0 |
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| 18:28.21 | discovered | ryouma, No monitor supporting DDC/CI available. If your graphics card need it, please check all the required kernel modules are loaded (i2c-dev, and your framebuffer driver). |
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| 18:28.31 | rajasekhar | hey folks |
| 18:28.46 | ryouma | modprobe i2c-dev |
| 18:28.51 | rajasekhar | any one has the idea like whats the work flow of debpear??? |
| 18:29.01 | CuteMeOwnThroat | hitchDiddy, just do it with a new separate unprivileged user? |
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| 18:29.30 | lostcoffee | MikeSeth: uh, how do I disable hotplugging? |
| 18:29.55 | discovered | ryouma, modprobe i2c-dev;ddccontrol -p -r 0x10 -w 0 ... still same output |
| 18:29.56 | MikeSeth | lostcoffee: no idea, some xorg.conf option, google it |
| 18:30.59 | hitchDiddy | CuteMeOwnThroat: this cannot limit time and hardware resources or prohibit network usage I think |
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| 18:32.26 | discovered | ryouma, Perhaps the bad quality display would be fixed automatically if i install nvidia driver. I download and tried to install but nvidia require to logged in console mode. CTRL+ALT+F1 only gives me Black screen. So i am not being able to install the downloaded driver. Sucks! |
| 18:32.49 | pron | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.51 | CuteMeOwnThroat | hitchDiddy, no, but you never said that that was what you wanted to protect against⦠|
| 18:33.02 | pron | or who asked that |
| 18:33.04 | MikeSeth | discovered: reboot into text mode |
| 18:33.08 | rajasekhar | can any summaries whats the issues discussing bcause im not getting what we are discussing about? |
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| 18:33.23 | rajasekhar | bit late ...eew :( |
| 18:33.25 | rajasekhar | ;) |
| 18:33.42 | discovered | MikeSeth, how? |
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| 18:34.12 | hitchDiddy | pron: how I can run the python script in the VM and check the output of that script? |
| 18:34.20 | MikeSeth | discovered: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/15527/how-to-boot-debian-into-text-mode-without-using-gui |
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| 18:34.45 | pron | hitchDiddy: install your distro iof choice in virtual machine and do as you do usualy |
| 18:34.48 | pron | @.@ |
| 18:35.35 | rajasekhar | okay so people issues finished? |
| 18:35.48 | rajasekhar | so that i can ask a question |
| 18:35.48 | rajasekhar | ;p |
| 18:35.57 | rajasekhar | i have been waiting :) |
| 18:36.19 | CuteMeOwnThroat | that was kind of my next comment, too⦠only that a virtual machine in it self ensures that you use a lot of resources |
| 18:36.55 | rajasekhar | whats the actual flow model for 'debpear' tool any guesses any ideas etc.., |
| 18:37.06 | rajasekhar | hiii bunny |
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| 18:41.23 | CuteMeOwnThroat | rajasekhar, it's a shell script⦠I guess you just have a look at the script and what it does if you want to know what it does |
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| 18:45.14 | rajasekhar | what i observed is it takes a php-pear file and automatically converts it to debian package |
| 18:45.29 | rajasekhar | CuteMeOwnThroat, u aware of that? |
| 18:45.33 | rafalcpp | hi, I'm making an open source free software program, that could have a stable release in say 3 months from now. Can it make it to be in defeault repository of upcoming next Debian? |
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| 18:48.26 | CuteMeOwnThroat | rajasekhar, yes, I read the package description. |
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| 18:51.18 | rajasekhar | CuteMeOwnThroat, yeah i tried that problem is there's an error saying that version not specified - being an automated script program how can we specify the version even if i changed its not taking assigned version |
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| 18:52.08 | rly | Hi, I get [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed [i915]] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... render ring idle which locks up my machine every day at least once. |
| 18:52.17 | rly | I run Jessie. |
| 18:52.26 | rly | This has been reported before since almost a year ago. |
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| 18:52.40 | rly | Should I understand that Intel doesn't care one bit about supplying people with working software? |
| 18:53.05 | rly | Or is there an actual solution for this problem (I was not able to find one using Google)? |
| 18:53.10 | CuteMeOwnThroat | rafalcpp, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch has info on the next release as planned. soft freeze would be january⦠but transition freeze is already in november⦠|
| 18:53.23 | rajasekhar | rly, what about your systems timestamp? |
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| 18:53.42 | rly | rajasekhar: why would you need that? |
| 18:54.22 | rly | rajasekhar: it's in front of it and it's the exact same issue 50+ other people also have. |
| 18:54.36 | rly | I just don't know how Intel can be this stupid. |
| 18:54.51 | rajasekhar | haha its always ..:P |
| 18:54.53 | rly | It's the simplests of graphics chips running on 10M+ devices? |
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| 18:55.08 | rly | Why can't they pay someone to make it work well? |
| 18:55.29 | rly | Is everyone applying to those positions a monkey? Is there hardware just flawed? What? |
| 18:55.40 | rly | Do they pay peanuts? |
| 18:55.42 | CuteMeOwnThroat | rajasekhar, it's normally automatically downloading.. if you use a tar file, you may have to specify which version it is. Did you read the man page for it? |
| 18:56.04 | rajasekhar | rly, im not getting error actually |
| 18:56.10 | rajasekhar | CuteMeOwnThroat, yes |
| 18:56.26 | rly | rajasekhar: tons of people do https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=185650&p=4 |
| 18:56.33 | rly | rajasekhar: that's for Arch linux. |
| 18:56.49 | rly | rajasekhar: I also tried to upgrade to 4.6 which has the same result. |
| 18:57.00 | rly | rajasekhar: so, the stable kernel doesn't work, a recent one doesn't work. \ |
| 18:58.07 | rly | rajasekhar: this issue has been reported by various people since 2014. |
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| 18:59.22 | rly | 100 people here https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75394 |
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| 18:59.54 | CuteMeOwnThroat | rafalcpp, I guess the soft-freeze deadline is the one when your package already has to be in testing. If it's about a month earlier in unstable, it should be in testing by that time (but bug reports on the package or on packages that it depends on can prevent a timely migration to testing) |
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| 19:01.12 | rly | Does the "support" from #debian come down to "we don't know"? |
| 19:01.35 | CuteMeOwnThroat | rly, I don't know |
| 19:01.39 | CuteMeOwnThroat | (you asked for that) |
| 19:01.41 | sypher | rly: I don't know. |
| 19:01.48 | sypher | beat me to it. |
| 19:01.51 | CuteMeOwnThroat | :D |
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| 19:02.13 | rly | Is there any company which makes a graphics chip which does work? |
| 19:02.22 | rly | I don't care if it is 5 years old tech. |
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| 19:02.49 | sypher | rly: I think you're chasing the wrong problem, here. I've been using nv and ati/amd cards with Linux for years with no issues. |
| 19:03.08 | rly | sypher: I have used nvidia and amd and both had driver issues in the past. |
| 19:03.18 | rly | sypher: IMHO, the whole graphics industry sucks. |
| 19:03.46 | CuteMeOwnThroat | rly, that's a problem in the kernel? or in xorg? |
| 19:03.54 | rly | CuteMeOwnThroat: in the driver. |
| 19:04.02 | rly | CuteMeOwnThroat: kernel driver, probably. |
| 19:04.16 | rly | CuteMeOwnThroat: but I shouldn't have to know that. |
| 19:04.26 | rly | Some graphics guy at Intel should know that. |
| 19:04.38 | rly | And he should have made it such that I didn't have to care about it. |
| 19:04.44 | CuteMeOwnThroat | you do have to know that (or find out) if you want to get rid of the bug |
| 19:04.45 | rly | Or thousands of other people. |
| 19:05.01 | rly | CuteMeOwnThroat: I get a kernel backtrace. |
| 19:05.18 | rajasekhar | CuteMeOwnThroat, c ya then :)) |
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| 19:05.22 | CuteMeOwnThroat | what kernel version are you using |
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| 19:06.16 | CuteMeOwnThroat | hm, that freedesktop bug thing goes up until today |
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| 19:08.28 | CuteMeOwnThroat | if it's a kernel thing, then kernel guys have to fix it⦠so if that is the same problem, then this is the authorative bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=822335 |
| 19:08.49 | CuteMeOwnThroat | but that's even from 2012... is that the same thing? |
| 19:08.57 | voids | newb : isn't AMD superior to INTEL(TM) anyway, at least on linux, /newb ? |
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| 19:09.33 | CuteMeOwnThroat | voids, intel and amd what? |
| 19:09.53 | rly | CuteMeOwnThroat: 4.6 currently. |
| 19:10.02 | rly | CuteMeOwnThroat: before that the one which ships with Jessie. |
| 19:10.17 | CuteMeOwnThroat | yeah, can't get much newer |
| 19:10.54 | CuteMeOwnThroat | maybe it's a regression? |
| 19:11.37 | missmbob | does judd only provide binary bug reports? not against src package? |
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| 19:13.45 | missmbob | that's annoying |
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| 19:14.20 | CuteMeOwnThroat | what bug did you try to look up? |
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| 19:14.34 | missmbob | ,bug 835049 |
| 19:14.35 | judd | Sorry, the requested bug was not found. |
| 19:14.41 | missmbob | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=835049 |
| 19:14.43 | missmbob | it's there though |
| 19:15.19 | CuteMeOwnThroat | #835049 |
| 19:16.18 | CuteMeOwnThroat | no idea how this is indexed, ask themill or⦠|
| 19:16.23 | rly | CuteMeOwnThroat: yes, it's that issue. |
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| 19:16.43 | CuteMeOwnThroat | missmbob, could be just too new, it's from today |
| 19:16.59 | rly | CuteMeOwnThroat: the previous Debian release had no issues. |
| 19:17.17 | missmbob | CuteMeOwnThroat: no idea here either. oh well |
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| 19:18.16 | CuteMeOwnThroat | bug #741639 is from 2014 |
| 19:18.17 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/741639 in src:deluge (open): «deluge-web: Ships an embedded copy of libjs-extjs»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-03-14; last modified: 2014-03-15. |
| 19:18.23 | missmbob | huh |
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| 19:18.39 | missmbob | guess you're right and it's just not realtime |
| 19:18.46 | CuteMeOwnThroat | it's just too new. judd will probably get some data dump once a day or so |
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| 19:19.15 | CuteMeOwnThroat | or maybe every few hours... but yours was from 6pm UTC |
| 19:19.17 | rly | CuteMeOwnThroat: https://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/2014/11/30/i915-and-hangcheck-timer-elapsed-error/ basically says that no matter what you do there will be stability problems. |
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| 19:20.38 | CuteMeOwnThroat | rly, that seems to have a simple enough solution, though |
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| 19:21.22 | rly | CuteMeOwnThroat: like what? |
| 19:21.57 | CuteMeOwnThroat | the big blue box? |
| 19:22.07 | CuteMeOwnThroat | Solution The solution is to enable semaphores as it will solve encountered stability issues. |
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| 19:23.41 | rly | CuteMeOwnThroat: I have semaphores enabled. |
| 19:23.45 | rly | CuteMeOwnThroat: and it didn't work. |
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| 19:24.09 | CuteMeOwnThroat | then it seems like it's not the same problem |
| 19:24.39 | CuteMeOwnThroat | which makes searching for it so much more fun⦠as one could already suspect |
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| 19:26.10 | CuteMeOwnThroat | some people seem to have had more luck with older kernels... all old package are available from snapshots.debian.net, so that would be easy enough to try (just make sure you keep a current kernel installed in case an old one refuses to boot) |
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| 19:29.40 | CuteMeOwnThroat | rly, dunno... seems like you have to look into the kernel code yourself or so, which will surely be fun. |
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| 19:30.05 | CuteMeOwnThroat | Maybe easiest to get a new cheap graphics card if it's a desktop |
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| 19:32.05 | rly | CuteMeOwnThroat: yes, I am going to try to get other hardware. |
| 19:32.27 | rly | Disappointing that Intel is so incompetent. |
| 19:32.45 | rly | If they had balls, they would contact me, and fix it for free. |
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| 19:33.00 | rly | Now, they are forcing me to fund their competitors. |
| 19:33.21 | rly | The annoying thing is that I have tried NVidia, AMD, Intel in that order. |
| 19:33.24 | rly | None worked :) |
| 19:33.52 | rly | By "worked" I mean that they had no crashes over a period of a year. |
| 19:34.00 | winsen | hi all |
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| 19:34.26 | CuteMeOwnThroat | I think I've had graphics cards from any of those and all "worked" |
| 19:34.32 | minimalism | Is there a list of unnecessary packages for Debian (in the context of a barebones server that only needs to run) out there? I'm trying to trim down a DigitalOcean droplet as much as possible. |
| 19:34.55 | winsen | does anyone reliable recovery data tool please? |
| 19:35.03 | winsen | does anyone know reliable recovery data tool please? |
| 19:35.16 | minimalism | winsen: Like if you accidentally deleted files on an ext fs? |
| 19:35.22 | CuteMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 19:35.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1) |
| 19:35.34 | winsen | minimalism: right |
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| 19:35.44 | minimalism | winsen: extundelete worked for me on Arch |
| 19:35.54 | winsen | minimalism: on ntfs and ext |
| 19:36.08 | minimalism | winsen: Can't say for ntfs, but I'm sure there must be something |
| 19:36.43 | winsen | minimalism: extundelete is tha portable tool? |
| 19:37.07 | minimalism | winsen: http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:37.34 | TomTomTosch | ,i extundelete |
| 19:37.35 | judd | Package extundelete (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: utility to recover deleted files from ext3/ext4 partition. Version: 0.2.4-1; Size: 48.8k; Installed: 165k; Homepage: http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/extundelete |
| 19:39.10 | CuteMeOwnThroat | rly, you could write a debian bug report on it in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;package=linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 I only see one i915 related bug |
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| 19:49.23 | rly | How can I check whether a given device supports PCI Express 2.0 16x? |
| 19:49.42 | rly | http://superuser.com/questions/693964/can-i-find-out-if-pci-e-slot-is-1-0-2-0-or-3-0-in-linux-terminal does not return consistent results. |
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| 19:50.54 | BadApe | hello, i was wondering with debian 8, how do you get virtualenv for python 2.7 |
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| 19:51.19 | BadApe | virtualenv package seems to be for v3 |
| 19:51.23 | rly | I found a way to check for a device which already has a device installed. |
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| 19:51.41 | rly | Now, I only need a solution for a computer which doesn't have a PCI-E device installed. |
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| 19:52.51 | BadApe | ok nevermind it is just some weird deps |
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| 19:58.57 | cusco | rly: dmidecode |
| 19:59.18 | cusco | ow nvm |
| 19:59.19 | rly | cusco: dmidecode returns the wrong answer on one of my systems. |
| 19:59.27 | cusco | how so? |
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| 19:59.45 | rly | cusco: it returns PCI, while I have PCI Express 2.0 slots on this machine. |
| 20:00.03 | cusco | and BIOS is not aware? :/ |
| 20:00.16 | rly | cusco: I don't know, but the GPU works. |
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| 20:01.24 | rly | cusco: the specification of the hardware refers to PCI Express without a version number. |
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| 20:01.35 | rly | cusco: to me that means that no version number was available at the time. |
| 20:01.43 | rly | cusco: hence, 1.0, not 2.0 or 3.0. |
| 20:02.15 | rly | cusco: if that hardware vendor had a clue, they would update all their old documentation with a version number. |
| 20:02.28 | rly | cusco: unfortunately, they are not that smart. |
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| 20:26.13 | multi_io | how do I find out why (through which dependency chain) git depends on libx11-6? |
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| 20:34.02 | babilen | judd: why git libx11-6 |
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| 20:34.06 | judd | Packages git and libx11-6 in jessie/amd64 are linked by 3 chains: git ⷠssh-client ⷠxauth ⶠlibx11-6; git ⷠssh-client ⷠxauth ⶠlibxext6 ⶠlibx11-6; git ⷠssh-client ⷠxauth ⶠlibxmuu1 ⶠlibx11-6 |
| 20:34.11 | babilen | multi_io: ^ |
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| 20:38.22 | multi_io | babilen: thanks |
| 20:38.31 | multi_io | is that thing available locally too? |
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| 20:49.08 | babilen | multi_io: No, but you can /msg it in here |
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| 21:25.38 | rly | What open-source drivers support the Radeon R5 230? |
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| 21:29.26 | dvs | rly: none |
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| 21:30.33 | rly | dvs: ok, do you have any suggestion of hardware I can buy then? Just low-end PCI-express would be fine, but it shouldn't crash. |
| 21:30.46 | rly | dvs: like the Intel driver does (crashing). |
| 21:30.47 | lmw | Where can I get a Debian ISO with proprietary drivers included? |
| 21:31.01 | missmbob | !nonfree install |
| 21:31.11 | lmw | and nothing happens :P |
| 21:31.15 | missmbob | lmw: anyway cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 21:31.29 | lmw | Thank you |
| 21:31.31 | missmbob | !firmware install |
| 21:31.43 | missmbob | fuck. can't remember what dpkg calls it |
| 21:31.55 | lmw | !non-free install |
| 21:31.58 | lmw | Hm |
| 21:32.00 | TomTomTosch | !firmware iso |
| 21:32.01 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 21:32.05 | TomTomTosch | :P |
| 21:32.21 | lmw | Thanks |
| 21:32.31 | missmbob | i'll never remember it's iso |
| 21:33.27 | TomTomTosch | to be fair, i cheated. i have a bookmark to http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/ |
| 21:33.48 | pingfloyd | !firmware images |
| 21:33.48 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 21:33.50 | lmw | !netboot firmware |
| 21:34.16 | lmw | !netboot firmware |
| 21:34.16 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 21:34.37 | lmw | Oh, it can load firmware from USB? |
| 21:34.47 | lmw | Nice to know |
| 21:34.48 | pingfloyd | yep |
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| 21:34.54 | pingfloyd | so you have 2 options |
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| 21:35.36 | dvs | rly: The firmware-linux-nonfree package should make it work but it is not open source. |
| 21:35.41 | lmw | I don't really know what firmware I need for a RTL8821ae |
| 21:36.00 | rly | dvs: ok, but that's only the firmware, not the driver. |
| 21:36.15 | rly | dvs: that's the same for the radeon driver. |
| 21:36.16 | dvs | rly, the driver is in the kernel |
| 21:36.21 | dvs | yes |
| 21:36.50 | rly | dvs: ok, let's put it differently; I don't have to compile anything like with nvidia hardware in the past? |
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| 21:37.25 | pingfloyd | lmw: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 21:37.44 | rly | dvs: ok, so the card I mentioned then works with what driver? |
| 21:37.46 | dvs | rly, no compiling with that package. |
| 21:38.01 | lmw | pingfloyd: Thanks |
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| 21:38.09 | pingfloyd | no problem |
| 21:39.18 | lmw | !radeinhd firmware |
| 21:39.22 | lmw | !radeonhd firmware |
| 21:39.22 | dpkg | Binary-only firmware for the radeon <DRM> driver is packaged for Debian as firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To install, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver. |
| 21:40.00 | lmw | Can I query dpkg to prevent spam in this channel? |
| 21:40.07 | missmbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.19 | lmw | Thanks |
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| 21:41.45 | rly | dvs: and which driver is it then? radeon for the hardware I specified? |
| 21:42.01 | dvs | yes |
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| 21:48.27 | wyoung | hey, when I enable xen my LXC guests do not start. How can i resolve this? |
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| 21:50.15 | lmw | dpkg |
| 21:50.15 | lmw | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 21:50.16 | lmw | wtf? |
| 21:50.25 | jez9999 | lol |
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| 21:55.31 | syncrr | hello. |
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| 21:59.03 | syncrr | is there maybe some d-bus interface that signals when pointer devices are added and removed? |
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| 22:23.11 | jaggz | babilen, sorry.. fell asleep :) You responded to my question about stable vs. jessie |
| 22:23.18 | jaggz | "It's also important to use the terms stable, testing, unstable, etc., instead of squeeze, wheezy, sid, etc., since stable is a moving target and when it comes time to upgrade to the latest stable, apt/aptitude will figure that out automatically." |
| 22:23.23 | jaggz | http://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing |
| 22:23.29 | jaggz | I've always wondered about that |
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| 22:25.27 | missmbob | that "article" is filled with bullshit |
| 22:25.33 | missmbob | that's terrible advice |
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| 22:25.55 | jaggz | ew |
| 22:28.18 | pingfloyd | jaggz: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version |
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| 22:30.41 | jaggz | pingfloyd, thank you so much |
| 22:30.44 | pingfloyd | lol, in the serverfault link it is ironic how the response that linked to the manual has so few of votes. |
| 22:30.52 | jaggz | (you too, missmbob) |
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| 22:31.08 | jaggz | pingfloyd, yeah I was thinking that was messed up |
| 22:31.24 | pingfloyd | that just goes to show you what a mixed bag serverfault can be of good and poor advice. |
| 22:31.30 | jaggz | "..didn't the 68 vote article back there have this?" |
| 22:31.41 | jaggz | oh definitely |
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| 22:31.57 | jaggz | it's the yahoo answers of the tech world |
| 22:32.08 | jaggz | ;) |
| 22:32.14 | jaggz | I'm glad it's around |
| 22:32.25 | jaggz | well shoot.. |
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| 22:33.28 | jaggz | my goals in doing anything at all with testing would be to 1. Get a newer version of some stuff needed for libreoffice dialog windows to get their focus right (which was some bug in libreoffice or kde4, I don't recall) |
| 22:34.13 | jaggz | 2. the issue at the moment: Non-free nvidia cuda toolkit 6.5 is in stable -- but I'm working with blender dev builds and it needs 7.5 (which is in testing) |
| 22:34.25 | jaggz | and 3. to have newer stuff.. it's nice often :) |
| 22:34.30 | pingfloyd | mixing branches in general isn't a good idea though |
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| 22:35.01 | jaggz | yeah.. way too much is interrelated in these things.. I was hoping not much used nvidia's non-free cuda toolkit |
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| 22:35.49 | DoctorD90 | hi! under site iso images, i find out .packages files. they contain list of packets(i think packets installed on each version). How can I get the same list on a installed system? |
| 22:35.52 | jaggz | it might not be actual conflicts, only other issues |
| 22:36.36 | missmbob | DoctorD90: you want a list of installed packages on a running debian system? |
| 22:36.59 | jaggz | fyi, since I followed the original author's [bad] advice first, I get to show the conflicts http://paste.debian.net/790865/ |
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| 22:37.39 | Fauve | Hello people o/ |
| 22:37.44 | Fauve | Someone here use x2go? |
| 22:37.48 | missmbob | !tell DoctorD90 -about installed packages |
| 22:37.52 | jaggz | it's actually because of jessie (stable's) priority, so I have "not going to be installed" messages, vs. actual conflicts, I believe. |
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| 22:38.03 | Fauve | I try to configure it but I havenât anough documentation. |
| 22:38.19 | jaggz | pingfloyd, how stable is testing? |
| 22:38.33 | Fauve | When I open an x2go window with a distant system, I get a keybinding conflict between local and distant system :( |
| 22:38.37 | jaggz | am I really going to have a "bumpy ride" as dpkg says? |
| 22:38.40 | Fauve | Nor, I use i3. |
| 22:39.25 | missmbob | jaggz: at some point you certainly might. though it might be a couple of months down the line |
| 22:39.57 | missmbob | jaggz: even simple shit breaks. hell deluge/libtorrent is broken right now |
| 22:39.57 | jaggz | how can I do testing, but prevent the bumpy ride, missmbob? |
| 22:40.20 | missmbob | jaggz: i'm not sure you ever can |
| 22:40.34 | jaggz | I don't mind some of those things failing.. can't you fall back to an older version of something like deluge? |
| 22:41.11 | missmbob | problem was they upgrade libtorrent to a version the latest deluge doesn't work with. so you can downgrade libtorrent if you really want. then hold it. |
| 22:41.20 | missmbob | most users don't want the pain in the ass |
| 22:41.41 | missmbob | if you do, go talk about it on testing's support channel #debian-next on OFTC |
| 22:42.00 | jaggz | yeah.. I'm between the two.. I have less time nowadays for fiddling with everything.. less energy for sysadmin work and more desire to get my projects done |
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| 22:42.09 | jaggz | missmbob, oh thanks a lot :) |
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| 22:48.55 | pingfloyd | jaggz: testing isn't stable at all |
| 22:49.46 | pingfloyd | jaggz: there's even been at least one bug that can cause data loss under the right circumstances, but this should be expected if one uses it. |
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| 23:03.18 | jez9999 | i'm trying to stop GDM3 from booting in jessie, but it always boots. how can i stop it? |
| 23:03.26 | jez9999 | i have it masked in systemd, it still runs |
| 23:03.31 | jez9999 | how can i find out what is triggering it? |
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| 23:06.45 | rly | jez9999: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 23:08.24 | missmbob | jez9999: https://wiki.debian.org/GDM tells you how to disable it |
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| 23:09.15 | jez9999 | missmbob: that tells you to disable graphical boot target. that's dumb - i want a graphical boot to MATE |
| 23:09.18 | DoctorD90 | missmbob: thx it was what im looking for. even if it is there an error in first command |
| 23:09.54 | missmbob | i'm going to pretend that made sense and walk away |
| 23:09.59 | DoctorD90 | printf $2"/n" it should be |
| 23:10.03 | mtn | missmbob: I will join you |
| 23:13.35 | DoctorD90 | I get an error copying a file "Input/Output Error"... i would not check entire files system with badlock.......is there a way to tell badblock to check a file's blocks |
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| 23:30.24 | calcal | Why is Debian so out of date? |
| 23:30.33 | dvs | because it's stable |
| 23:31.01 | mtn | calcal: you can either have very stable or new software, but not both ;) |
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| 23:35.34 | calcal | mtn, Ubuntu and Arch seemed to fool me into thinking they were stable, by not failing to boot after just installing them. |
| 23:35.55 | calcal | But I won't use those, because they are nonfree. |
| 23:37.46 | tequex | anyone know how to forget smb share credentials in debian that are not stored in seahorse? |
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