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| 00:00.48 | Sygin | hello there. i have a problem. i keep getting this error: "iptables v1.4.21: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)" i was wondering whats the easiest way to compile and add that module into the existing kernel? |
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| 00:01.27 | Sygin | this happens whenever i want to use the nat table for iptables to do anything: iptables -t nat -L |
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| 00:14.36 | technocf | I am currently in the process of installing Debian 8.5.0 on my EEE PC 1001HA. I have done this before and I know this process usually works. It has gotten to the "Detect network hardware" stage and I inserted a USB memory stick formatted as FAT32 with the driver, rt2860.bin, in the root directory. I gave it a few seconds and clicked yes to load the driver from the USB. It does something for a few seconds and then goes back to th |
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| 00:17.12 | technocf | I tried rebooting and it still doesn't work. |
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| 00:22.02 | technocf | Is anyone active in here? |
| 00:22.28 | sypher | No. |
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| 00:28.26 | otyugh | is "/var/run/reboot-required" ubuntu specific ? |
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| 00:30.42 | sypher | otyugh: Not sure. I know the Debian release of byobu still looks for it, but byobu is an Ubuntu project I believe, so that doesn't say much. |
| 00:31.46 | themill | otyugh: some packages will touch it but pending kernel upgrades don't (ISTR if you have update-notifier or unattended-upgrades installed, it might) |
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| 00:32.01 | multi_io | is there some documentation on enabling an encrypted root fs in initramfs (without running the installer)? |
| 00:33.24 | multi_io | I already have the encrypted block device set up, created a file system on it and debootstrapped a Debian system on it, just need to create an initrd now that will ask for the passphrase and mount the thing. |
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| 00:38.12 | multi_io | reads /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz |
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| 00:55.39 | laurus | I don't understand the example at http://picpaste.com/gnumake2.png for make. What command is actually run? |
| 00:56.48 | missmbob | laurus did you read it? "executes the rpcgen command" |
| 00:57.04 | laurus | missmbob, and what comes after the symbol rpcgen? |
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| 00:58.04 | laurus | What replaces $< there? |
| 00:59.50 | multi_io | the input .x file |
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| 01:00.06 | laurus | Ah, thank you multi_io |
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| 02:22.10 | ktechmidas | quick question... anyone know how to get a Chinese input? |
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| 02:24.25 | ktechmidas | I'm on the cinnamon DE... |
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| 03:08.36 | simbalion | I am having trouble with audio on occasional videos on facebook and youtube, I think it's a codec issue, if I download the videos and play them in vlc it works, but I can't always download them. Does anyone know how to fix the codec issue? |
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| 03:14.54 | jnoah | hello, is it possible (even if difficult to do) to install fglrx on Stretch? I'm attempting to play a game in wine, but sadly, it looks like proprietary drivers are needed :/ |
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| 03:15.14 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 03:15.14 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 03:16.14 | jnoah | sad times. thanks for the redirect though. |
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| 03:22.48 | RoyK | stooj: zxcxzxczxc |
| 03:22.48 | stoned | oh whoops |
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| 03:41.18 | mugatu--- | I'm running Debian Jessie + Mate as my window system. I cannot use my external usb sound card yet I see it when typing lsusb. I see: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter |
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| 03:41.48 | mugatu--- | For some reason my speakers are working on the laptops internal soundcard |
| 03:42.04 | mugatu--- | *using my laptops internal soundcard |
| 03:43.02 | jmcnaught | mugatu---: try using mate's sound settings (if they exist) or pavucontrol to select the output device |
| 03:43.30 | mugatu--- | i'm installing pavucontrol now |
| 03:43.38 | mugatu--- | mates sound manager is not showing it |
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| 03:47.38 | mugatu--- | that worked thanks |
| 03:47.47 | mugatu--- | any idea how to make pavucontrol my default sound manager? |
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| 03:51.28 | jmcnaught | probably easier to just make a shortcut or launcher for it and use it instead |
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| 03:59.15 | mugatu--- | thanks! |
| 03:59.38 | jmcnaught | you're welcome :) |
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| 04:02.11 | calher | I seem to be getting my kernel panics when I open Firefox. This system hasn't crashed yet. |
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| 04:16.10 | jnoah | why would a package on debian package search show one version, yet aptitude shows another? I have dug into the Packages.gz file to make sure I am getting the version that is listed on the site, but aptitude still shows me an older version (and yes I have ran `aptitude update`) |
| 04:16.51 | jmcnaught | jnoah: which package? what does "apt-cache policy PACKAGE" say? |
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| 04:18.44 | jnoah | jmcnaught: http://dpaste.com/1XT7XFJ i keep seeing the stable version in aptitude |
| 04:18.57 | jnoah | oh, right |
| 04:19.14 | jnoah | ugh, i've pinned it wrong it looks like |
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| 04:19.46 | jmcnaught | jnoah: why are you messing with pinning at all? |
| 04:20.11 | jnoah | jmcnaught: http://dpaste.com/011GS2C is this Pin just wrong? |
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| 04:20.17 | jnoah | it looks to me like it should work |
| 04:20.56 | jmcnaught | jnoah: don't use pinning at all. Use "apt-get -t jessie-backports install foo" |
| 04:21.26 | jnoah | jmcnaught: then how do I make sure it stays up to date when updating and what not? |
| 04:21.29 | jmcnaught | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ you don't need to manually pin packages to use backports |
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| 04:22.33 | jnoah | jmcnaught: oh, I'm on stretch. but i figured the process was the same |
| 04:22.42 | blocky | i just upgraded to testing and i'm trying to build kodi from source so i need to install libsqlite3-dev, but i'm getting this error: libsqlite3-dev : Depends: libsqlite3-0 (= 3.13.0-1) but 3.14.1-1 is to be installed |
| 04:22.49 | jmcnaught | !debian-next |
| 04:22.50 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:23.33 | jmcnaught | jnoah: why are you trying to install fglrx on stretch? it was removed because it's no longer supported upstream from what i understand |
| 04:24.10 | jmcnaught | jnoah: you should probably be using the amdgpu or radeon drivers instead.. anyways give the #debian-next channel a try |
| 04:24.21 | jnoah | jmcnaught: necessary for a game sadly. so I'm trying to do what I can. |
| 04:24.49 | blocky | is it possible that 400+ packges on my system depend on sqlite3? |
| 04:24.58 | jnoah | jmcnaught: my question is about pinning. not stretch, not fglrx, just pinning. something that's been around in debian for a long time. may i ask here if my pinning syntax is incorrect? |
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| 04:25.39 | jnoah | (i'm not looking for help getting fglrx to work, just pinning is all) |
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| 04:26.39 | blocky | why is this trying to remove all these packages? https://paste.linux.community/view/08f4c941 |
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| 04:27.29 | jnoah | blocky: it's needed by all of them |
| 04:27.36 | jnoah | it's a very pervasive library |
| 04:27.55 | Mava | ouh I do love the word pervasive |
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| 04:28.50 | blocky | why does this page show a different version than what i have? https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libsqlite3-0 is there a way to downgrade my version without removing all dependencies? |
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| 04:32.35 | dstack | Is zip the best compression file archive format for cross OS use? |
| 04:33.02 | blocky | i guess you have to define best |
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| 04:33.36 | blocky | it's probably supported out of the box on most modern linux distros as well as windows, which is more than can be said for gzip |
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| 04:40.43 | jnoah | dstack: sadly, yes (if you are including Windows in the cross OS use) |
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| 04:56.30 | SebastianRasor01 | Hello, I was wondering why my desktop crashes every time I click an icon. I'm using XFCE |
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| 05:04.28 | afidegnum | hello, pls i m in trouble, can you give hand? i did install apt-get install systemd systemd-sysv in my debian server and i can't have access to it |
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| 05:06.17 | prettyinmaine | David Icke says there is a tribe of people interbreeding and that "this is a plot on the world by the Jewish people." Should we be concerned? |
| 05:06.55 | afidegnum | nay insight please? |
| 05:07.05 | jmcnaught | jnoah: regardless, you still shouldn't need to use pinning, use "-t" with apt-get or aptitude to tell it to target jessie-backports release. You'll probably find that it doesn't work with the version of Xorg in stretch however, and you should be using the amdgpu driver instead. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=824001 |
| 05:07.06 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/824001 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: fglrx-driver -- ROM; EOL, does not fit Debian and superseded by amdgpu»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-05-11; last modified: 2016-06-11. |
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| 05:08.27 | jmcnaught | afidegnum: how are you trying to access it? did you reboot after installing the package? what kind of server is it? |
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| 05:17.15 | jnoah | jmcnaught: i'd love to use amdgpu. but the game does not work with it :/ |
| 05:17.28 | jmcnaught | jnoah: using jessie is also an option |
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| 05:30.54 | jnoah | jmcnaught: sadly, that's what it looks like I may need to do. :/ |
| 05:31.48 | jnoah | jmcnaught: actually, unless you know how to manually do what glx-alternative-fglrx does. The driver builds and installs. Just can't get the glx alternatives to work |
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| 05:32.08 | jmcnaught | i don't see what's so sad about using debian stable. the overall goal of Debian is making the stable releases, and they're very high quality |
| 05:33.08 | jnoah | what is so bad is reinstalling and resetting up. if i had looked ahead at the state of fglrx, sure, that probably would have been wise |
| 05:34.26 | jnoah | as of right now, xorg-video-abi-19 is missing, which is what I need. yet, in theory, i have the xserver-xorg-core that would provide it |
| 05:35.41 | jnoah | jmcnaught: http://dpaste.com/2GSRJMY see, builds and installs fine. :) now to ask in debian-next about how to do manual things i suppose |
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| 05:40.13 | jmcnaught | ,provides xserver-xorg-core --release stretch |
| 05:40.14 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-core in stretch/amd64 provides: xorg-input-abi-22, xorg-video-abi-20, xserver-xorg-video-modesetting. |
| 05:41.04 | jmcnaught | jnoah: ^^ the fglrx package wants abi 19, stretch is on abi 20. it's not going to work. |
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| 05:48.29 | jnoah | jmcnaught: well, i have it installed and with alternatives working...the meta(?) package fglrx-driver just won't install. so, yeah, this will probably break everything, but we'll see. :P |
| 05:49.00 | jnoah | (i'm no stranger to breaking and fixing, i've done it many times over. i'm however not totally versed in debian-insms) |
| 05:49.23 | jnoah | this deep of hackery has been done with gentoo and nixos previously for me. |
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| 05:50.54 | afidegnum | jmcnaught: yes, i did reboot many times |
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| 05:52.26 | jnoah | jmcnaught: wow. debian is ridiculously nice. fglrx segfaulted (as expected), yet here I am. talking with you, using X. nifty |
| 05:53.02 | no_gravity | I am on a machine via ssh. Everything works nice. But when I am in the sqlite client, pressing the up arrow gives me: ^[[A. Any ideas whats wrong? |
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| 05:53.27 | jnoah | no_gravity: sqlite was not built with readline (or similar) |
| 05:54.09 | no_gravity | jnoah: Does that mean it has no "show last commands" or that it does not work over ssh? |
| 05:54.19 | jnoah | jmcnaught: is it possible to debian-previous? |
| 05:54.42 | jnoah | jmcnaught: as in "dist-upgrade" to a previous version? |
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| 05:55.02 | nkuttler | !downgrade |
| 05:55.03 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 05:55.22 | jnoah | no_gravity: doesn't know show last commands. Though, ssh could be configured oddly, but in that case, I don't know how to help. |
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| 05:55.47 | no_gravity | jnoah: sqlite is super archaic, but is it *that* archaic? hmm... |
| 05:56.02 | jnoah | nkuttler: O_O |
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| 05:56.21 | jnoah | good to know (NixOS allows for it btw....but it also does things in strange, unnatural ways) |
| 05:56.25 | no_gravity | jnoah: I tried on the machine directly. The up key works and shows the last commands. |
| 05:56.43 | jnoah | no_gravity: cool, ssh is being weird, and that idunno how to help with. sorry |
| 05:56.51 | jnoah | maybe someone else here may be able to help |
| 05:56.58 | no_gravity | jnoah: ok, thanks |
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| 05:58.50 | jnoah | jmcnaught: luckily i just rebuilt and there isn't much to backup. going to install Jessie. |
| 05:59.19 | jnoah | is it possible to do a full disk encryption like with stretch? (LVM disk encryption) |
| 05:59.40 | missmbob | jnoah: yes |
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| 06:01.32 | jnoah | awesome! |
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| 06:09.52 | jnoah | does multiarch in jessie still use ia32-libs? |
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| 06:11.42 | missmbob | jnoah: no |
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| 06:12.00 | missmbob | !tell jnoah about multiarch |
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| 06:25.45 | jnoah | ugh, so it looks like the uefi netinstall is giving me a blank screen after i select "install" "graphical install" ...every option i have tried so far. any suggestions for getting the installer to jist start? |
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| 06:29.57 | jnoah | Ive tried removing the vga argument, tried it with vga=1024 (no idea what good values are, i took a wild guess), and yet, still nothing but a blank screen. oh, just tried removing the set background to black....aaaand still blank. |
| 06:30.48 | missmbob | you can use text install and then worry about getting fglrx |
| 06:31.00 | missmbob | i've never used graphical install. *shrug* |
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| 06:32.34 | jnoah | there isnt a text install option... well, at least "Install" and "Graphical Install" have exactly the same grub entries (minus title) |
| 06:32.36 | th0r | jnoah, the vga parameteer takes strange numbers. Don't have them handy, but you can google for info on the values. |
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| 06:48.13 | MikeSeth | reinstalls a box |
| 06:48.22 | MikeSeth | let's try this new fancy snapd thang |
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| 07:21.27 | jnoah | MikeSeth: i am reinstalling as well :/ |
| 07:21.47 | jnoah | well, i'm waiting for a dd of the debian testing dvd1 to finishing sync'ing |
| 07:21.55 | jnoah | then, reinstall. heh |
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| 07:22.41 | MikeSeth | jnoah: i screwed up the box majorly with ansible debops |
| 07:22.46 | MikeSeth | total overkill |
| 07:24.22 | jnoah | i cant get a debian stable installer to start. D: |
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| 07:24.42 | jnoah | i get grub, then any option just leads to a blank screen. |
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| 07:25.06 | jnoah | debian testing installer works just fine tgough |
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| 07:27.16 | Fily | HELLO |
| 07:27.19 | babilen | jnoah: You probably just need a newer kernel |
| 07:27.20 | Fily | wtf debian sid |
| 07:27.25 | Fily | broken half of my kde programs |
| 07:27.38 | babilen | dpkg: sid |
| 07:27.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 07:27.41 | Fily | ANYONE?! Can't even use konversation |
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| 07:27.53 | Fily | had to use freenode ppage to log here ... |
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| 07:28.21 | Fily | how to fucking fix this |
| 07:28.22 | babilen | Fily: First and foremost: testing and unstable are supported in #debian-next (this channel is for stable) and secondly: What did you do to break your system? |
| 07:28.28 | babilen | And please .. stop swearing |
| 07:28.35 | Fily | babilen i updated yesterday |
| 07:28.44 | babilen | Roll back? |
| 07:28.48 | Fily | how |
| 07:28.51 | Fily | how to roll back |
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| 07:29.13 | babilen | Ah, #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 07:29.33 | Fily | HOW TO ROLL BACK? |
| 07:30.01 | jelly | Fily: if you don't have backups set up, reinstall. |
| 07:30.04 | babilen | You might have backups .. otherwise downgrade packages that you upgraded recently. Investigate the actual problem and fix that ... might be a start to paste /var/log/apt/history.log to http://paste.debian.net and mention it in #debian-next |
| 07:30.14 | Fily | reinstall how? |
| 07:30.17 | babilen | Not sure if that works for such a large system as KDE |
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| 07:30.35 | jelly | the same way you installed debian first time, Filystyn |
| 07:31.00 | Fily | this will take ages I want just to fix the package problems now so I can apt install |
| 07:31.02 | Fily | -f |
| 07:31.28 | Fily | look at tis problem: |
| 07:31.29 | Fily | The following packages have unmet dependencies: konversation : Depends: libkf5kiocore5 (>= 4.96.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libkf5kiofilewidgets5 (>= 4.96.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libkf5kiowidgets5 (>= 4.96.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libkf5notifyconfig5 (>= 4.96.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: |
| 07:31.31 | babilen | You haven't provided any information about "package problems" nor the log. |
| 07:31.48 | babilen | Please use http://paste.debian.net and take it to #debian-next |
| 07:31.59 | Fily | oftc... |
| 07:32.18 | Fily | OK going tere thank you for *support* |
| 07:33.05 | babilen | You are welcome. We do, however, consider it unlikely that it is possible to fix this easily. |
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| 07:36.41 | jnoah | babilen: yes, but it is a debian installer... |
| 07:36.57 | jnoah | so how do i get the installer to use a new kernel? |
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| 07:37.37 | babilen | jnoah: We used to provide stable installers with a backported kernel, but those images are unfortunately no longer maintained. You'd therefore use the installer that is being developed for stretch. |
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| 07:38.06 | jnoah | babilen: how can i use it to install jessie? |
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| 07:40.29 | jnoah | im game for getting dirty. i am not afraid to hack on things. :) |
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| 07:42.27 | babilen | jnoah: IIRC it offers you to install jessie in the expert installer mode, but that would install an older kernel. You'd then have to chroot into it and install the backported kernel manually. At that point using debootstrap from a live CD might actually be easier. |
| 07:42.53 | babilen | (sorry, haven't done that in a while) |
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| 07:43.55 | jnoah | babilen: oh cool, i'll give that a shot then |
| 07:44.05 | jnoah | (install -> chroot) |
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| 07:53.17 | jnoah | babilen: hm, im not finding the option to install jessie anywhere... |
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| 07:55.04 | babilen | jnoah: Okay, might be an additional installer module, but I really haven't done this in many years |
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| 08:04.27 | jnoah | [Brain]: oh! im supposed to use the "select mirror" option, but when I do "installation step failed" but doesnt give me anything to identy a problem. "The failing step is: Choose mirror to install from (menu item)" |
| 08:04.37 | jnoah | babilen: ^ * |
| 08:05.11 | jnoah | can i do that from the shell instead? |
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| 08:15.55 | jnoah | babilen: any idea why that option would/could fail? |
| 08:16.20 | babilen | No, what did you select there? |
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| 08:18.01 | jnoah | "Choose mirror to install from (menu item)" |
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| 08:18.33 | jnoah | from what ive read, that is the option one uses to install other releases |
| 08:18.40 | OS-23527 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.13 | jnoah | OS-23527: change your password now! |
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| 08:19.44 | babilen | OS-23527: You might want to change that password and *always* /query nickserv first or setup CertFP |
| 08:20.42 | jnoah | babilen: "Choose mirror to install from (menu item)" |
| 08:20.51 | jnoah | babilen: from what ive read, that is the option one uses to install other releases |
| 08:20.53 | OS-23527 | ouch |
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| 08:22.04 | babilen | jnoah: Indeed .. what did you select there? Do you see any error on tty4 ? (alt-f4) |
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| 08:24.59 | venkat_330 | I am trying execute a script from "10udevrules" during startup and notice that it is not being executed. "SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6014", MODE="0664", GROUP="dialout", ACTION=="add" RUN+="/opt/3.sh 4" so changef the UDEV line for forcing symlinke .. "BUS=="usb", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0403", SYSFS{idVendor}=="6014", SYMLINK+="ttyUSB9"" Even that is not working. |
| 08:25.39 | jnoah | babilen: as soon as i select it, it fails. and alt+f4 shows "unable to set title for choose mirror" followed by "installing apt-mirror-setup" then segfault. "configuring 'choose-mirror' failed with error code 139" |
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| 08:26.37 | babilen | jnoah: Sounds like that bit of the installer is broken. Did you get one of the alpha releases or did you opt for a daily/weekly? |
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| 08:27.08 | babilen | Ah, the fun of using an installer that is still being developed |
| 08:27.49 | jnoah | weekly |
| 08:27.52 | jnoah | i think |
| 08:28.06 | jnoah | its whatever is given for a testing installer |
| 08:28.26 | jnoah | babilen: full text of error (bottom section) http://m.imgur.com/qn1Afim |
| 08:28.59 | babilen | yeah, definitely broken :( |
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| 08:29.48 | jnoah | does a "stable" stretch installer work? |
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| 08:29.58 | jnoah | s/work/exist |
| 08:31.12 | babilen | jnoah: No, the installer is being developed at the moment. It's development schedule just follows the Debian release schedule and therefore targets a specific release. |
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| 08:33.34 | jnoah | babilen: i need to install jessie. have a recommendation since the netinst and dvd1 installers wont work (blank screen from any option) |
| 08:33.42 | babilen | jnoah: Anything to choose in the boot menu? |
| 08:33.54 | babilen | (advanced options / settings someting like that) |
| 08:34.06 | jnoah | all of those fail too |
| 08:34.15 | babilen | With segfault? |
| 08:34.24 | jnoah | blank screen |
| 08:34.36 | babilen | Okay .. not good. What kind of hardware is this? |
| 08:34.46 | jnoah | wait, testing installer or stable installer now? |
| 08:35.49 | jnoah | jessie installer fails with all options in grub leading to nothing but blank screens* |
| 08:36.08 | babilen | I was referring to the testing installer .. |
| 08:37.09 | jnoah | sorry, got ahead of myself there. one sec |
| 08:37.19 | babilen | You could also try the weekly |
| 08:37.25 | babilen | https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:37.34 | babilen | Or debootstrap a jessie installation from a live CD |
| 08:37.35 | jnoah | (currently installing the.base system from the testing installer) |
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| 08:39.32 | jnoah | ok. going the livecd debootstrap route |
| 08:39.58 | babilen | jnoah: You'd then have to install a backported kernel |
| 08:40.10 | jnoah | the netinst wont select a mirror at all |
| 08:40.12 | jnoah | alrighty |
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| 08:43.14 | jnoah | babilen: testing live disks exist? |
| 08:43.41 | babilen | I'd use grml |
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| 08:43.56 | babilen | bbl |
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| 09:40.36 | babilen | lss8: Do they provide packages for it? |
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| 09:46.19 | OrbsTheorem | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.47 | MikeSeth | why should it be |
| 09:47.05 | themill | if it were, we'd have people complaining that debian was bloated... |
| 09:47.23 | MikeSeth | some people would want tmux to be a "base package" |
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| 09:48.22 | OrbsTheorem | what's the characteristic for being a base package? |
| 09:49.05 | MikeSeth | can't boot post-install without it |
| 09:49.11 | themill | there's no such thing as base package btw |
| 09:50.00 | OrbsTheorem | I don't know how is it called, it should be wrapped in a virtual package, right? |
| 09:50.16 | themill | No. https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-priorities |
| 09:50.44 | themill | (required and important are installed by the installer; standard normally would be too) |
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| 09:54.04 | OrbsTheorem | thanks :) |
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| 10:09.50 | afidegnum | hello, any insight? My server failed to load over systemctl issue |
| 10:10.48 | afidegnum | Failed to get D-Bus connection: No Connection to service manager i m using debian wheezy |
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| 10:11.23 | MikeSeth | afidegnum: start dbus? |
| 10:11.49 | OrbsTheorem | In a software development context: What do this mean?: "Implement mechanisms, not policies" |
| 10:12.02 | themill | afidegnum: systemctl in wheezy? are you sure? |
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| 10:14.02 | afidegnum | yes |
| 10:14.04 | afidegnum | debian 7 |
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| 10:14.46 | afidegnum | MikeSeth: should i type that command? |
| 10:14.55 | MikeSeth | afidegnum: what command |
| 10:15.02 | afidegnum | start dbus |
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| 10:15.20 | MikeSeth | you probably want ``service dbus start'' |
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| 10:16.58 | afidegnum | dbus service startted but the error persist |
| 10:17.08 | afidegnum | when i run systemctl |
| 10:17.10 | winterss | hi |
| 10:17.32 | afidegnum | Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager |
| 10:17.54 | MikeSeth | afidegnum: service dbus status |
| 10:19.27 | themill | afidegnum: which version of systemd are you running and how did you enable it? |
| 10:19.37 | afidegnum | dbus is running |
| 10:20.40 | afidegnum | themill: i believe it's the debian's stable version, i installed it via apt-get isntall systemd and systemd-sysv |
| 10:20.51 | themill | afidegnum: wheezy doesn't use systemd |
| 10:21.02 | afidegnum | oh |
| 10:21.15 | afidegnum | i hope i can remove it without causing harm? |
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| 10:22.06 | themill | (systemd is available and it works OK, but it's not particularly well tested) |
| 10:22.28 | afidegnum | i was following a tutorial to deploy a flask application on uwsgi/debian |
| 10:22.40 | afidegnum | ok, let me try removing them |
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| 10:22.51 | afidegnum | i hope the initial settings will be restaured |
| 10:25.22 | afidegnum | so what do we use in replacement of systemd |
| 10:25.22 | afidegnum | ? |
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| 10:26.02 | Engys | sysvinit |
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| 10:26.53 | afidegnum | wait, does sytemd remove some tools from the server ? |
| 10:27.04 | afidegnum | running reboot doesn't work anymore |
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| 10:29.33 | Engys | but it was the other way around sysvinit was replaced with systemd after wheezy .. wheezy has only a preview on systemd |
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| 10:35.19 | afidegnum | affter removing, i m faced with /bin/sh can't access tty: job control turned off |
| 10:35.30 | afidegnum | and it stays there |
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| 10:37.01 | _0xbadc0de | guys |
| 10:37.24 | _0xbadc0de | is it possible to sudo apt-get install <another_package> |
| 10:37.34 | _0xbadc0de | at the same time you do sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 10:37.36 | _0xbadc0de | ? |
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| 10:39.15 | mgedmin | _0xbadc0de: no, you have to wait for apt-get to finish |
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| 10:40.31 | afidegnum | any insihg t? |
| 10:40.37 | afidegnum | insight? |
| 10:40.41 | afidegnum | the previous error was |
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| 10:41.55 | afidegnum | Target filesystem doesn't have the requested /sbin/init |
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| 10:48.51 | Engys | afidegnum .. no idea why you are using wheezy .. you need to install sysvinit before you purge systemd + editing your grub .. search the internet "apt-get install sysvinit" |
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| 10:52.06 | afidegnum | i have been using wheezy since last 2 years, and i was sticked to it since i m using a dedicated server, |
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| 10:56.16 | Engys | afidegnum yep I can understand this-> upgrading to jessie will need some apache reconfiguration |
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| 11:02.09 | jnoah | babilen: ok. i did the painstaking process of manually downgrading the very bare bones netinst (which didnt actually install anything from the net). i fought through around 200 package downgrades. All tuned into jessie and jessie-backports. And success! now to install the stuff to make it a graphical desktop. btw, i am shocked it worked. though i literally just took a couple hours to do that by hand so...i am |
| 11:02.11 | jnoah | very happy. lol |
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| 11:03.48 | afidegnum | hi, i m totally at a mess, i can't do anything, even apt-get seems not to work, |
| 11:03.49 | afidegnum | https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=168qphoq2uue9#4508502172 |
| 11:03.54 | afidegnum | here is my console |
| 11:05.08 | jelly | afidegnum: that link wants me to log in to yahoo for some reason |
| 11:05.26 | jelly | can you do imgur.com or picpaste |
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| 11:07.15 | babilen | jnoah: I would have expected a debootstrap installation to be less painful |
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| 11:10.09 | jnoah | babilen: probably. i just knew i had a fresh base install and a working internet connection. and now i know a lot more about debian than i ever wanted which is actually a good thing. :) |
| 11:11.23 | afidegnum | jelly: i m using a jailed remote console for recovery, not my own terminal |
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| 11:12.25 | jnoah | babilen: does Jessie not have amdgpu? |
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| 11:13.56 | jnoah | scratch that |
| 11:14.04 | jnoah | it does in the backports repo |
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| 11:14.39 | jnoah | oh! babilen how do i give jessie-backports priority? is this where pinning comes in handy? |
| 11:14.50 | afidegnum | is anyone familiar with hetzner? |
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| 11:17.21 | babilen | jnoah: Give it priority? You typically just want to install selected packages from there with, say, "apt -t jessie-backports install $PKG" |
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| 11:23.50 | isthisreallife | hi |
| 11:23.53 | isthisreallife | https://dpaste.de/6FYO |
| 11:23.55 | isthisreallife | how to fix it? |
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| 11:24.40 | jnoah | babilen: ah alrighty. thanks for all your help. much appreciated |
| 11:24.56 | jelly | isthisreallife: which debian release is this? |
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| 11:25.16 | isthisreallife | debian 8 |
| 11:25.24 | jelly | debian 8 does not have an "/etc/sudo.conf" |
| 11:25.29 | jnoah | took a billion hours longer than expected (isnt that usually the case? :P), but i have a stable box up and running finally. :) |
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| 11:26.17 | jelly | isthisreallife: what does "dpkg -S /etc/sudo.conf /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so" say |
| 11:26.19 | isthisreallife | it is debian8 |
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| 11:27.11 | isthisreallife | https://dpaste.de/VuVU#L |
| 11:27.19 | jelly | isthisreallife: also "ls -ld /etc/sudo.conf /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so" |
| 11:27.52 | isthisreallife | https://dpaste.de/uikL |
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| 11:29.22 | jelly | isthisreallife: you, or some other admin or script, managed to change the ownership of /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so |
| 11:29.46 | isthisreallife | that was me probably :< |
| 11:30.13 | isthisreallife | can i fix it somehow? |
| 11:30.21 | jelly | isthisreallife: use "su" to become root, or log in directly as root at the console, and chown it back to root:root |
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| 11:31.52 | isthisreallife | okay i logged as a root now |
| 11:32.16 | isthisreallife | and how exactly can i chown it back? |
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| 11:34.45 | jelly | isthisreallife: how did you change it in the first place? |
| 11:35.08 | slax0r | isthisreallife: is this just fanta sea |
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| 11:36.04 | jelly | isthisreallife: EXAMPLES from "man chown" tell you to: "chown root /u", and "chown root:staff /u". So you can try "chown root /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so" |
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| 11:37.10 | jelly | isthisreallife: you may have messed up ownerships on other files as well. Best to trace back your steps and figure out what you did |
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| 11:38.26 | moldy | hi |
| 11:38.38 | moldy | trying to get mod_perl to work after an update: https://dpaste.de/z5rS any idea? |
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| 11:41.19 | moldy | http://apache-http-server.18135.x6.nabble.com/Trouble-enabling-mod-perl-on-Ubuntu-12-04-td5003725.html purging related packages and reinstalling fixed it. yay. |
| 11:44.40 | isthisreallife | thanks:) |
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| 11:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | moldy, update/upgrade from what to what |
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| 12:05.33 | moldy | CutMeOwnThroat: wheezy -> jessie |
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| 12:06.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, didn't see you had already got it running |
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| 12:07.03 | moldy | CutMeOwnThroat: :) |
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| 12:14.19 | Rico | hi |
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| 12:20.40 | Rico | can somebody tell me how to add loopbacks interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces file ? I've tried two ways, but does not work : http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/532260 |
| 12:21.18 | MikeSeth | Rico: iface lo inet loopback |
| 12:21.23 | MikeSeth | and auto lo |
| 12:21.26 | MikeSeth | that should be it |
| 12:21.35 | Rico | MikeSeth: I want to add more than one loopbacl |
| 12:21.41 | MikeSeth | why |
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| 12:21.46 | Rico | because I need it |
| 12:21.51 | MikeSeth | and why do you have public addresses on it |
| 12:21.59 | Rico | because it's for network services |
| 12:22.21 | MikeSeth | then you would get better performance for unix sockets, and better control with bridges |
| 12:22.28 | MikeSeth | s/for/with/ |
| 12:22.54 | Rico | MikeSeth: trust me I know what I'm doing... I'm just asking how I can do that, not how I could do it in another way |
| 12:22.55 | MikeSeth | I've never seen a loopback w/o 127/8 anywhere and I am not even sure if it would work at all |
| 12:23.08 | Rico | it works perfectly on redhat hosts |
| 12:23.14 | MikeSeth | Rico: so what happens when you ifup this |
| 12:23.37 | pekka1 | is there any problem using apache2 and nginx on the same machine ? |
| 12:23.46 | moldy | pekka1: not per se |
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| 12:23.50 | MikeSeth | pekka1: no, except that they would have to listen on different ports |
| 12:24.00 | pekka1 | mm, okay |
| 12:24.25 | MikeSeth | Rico: now I'm curious for myself |
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| 12:25.01 | plantfood | debian is a badass mother fucker |
| 12:25.02 | Rico | MikeSeth: http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/532262 |
| 12:25.59 | MikeSeth | Rico: I just realized, you can't give arbitrary names to interfaces |
| 12:26.02 | MikeSeth | has to be an alias |
| 12:26.09 | MikeSeth | e.g. lo:0 |
| 12:26.24 | Rico | I've tried both (lo811 and lo:811) |
| 12:26.31 | MikeSeth | lo:x worked for me |
| 12:26.37 | Rico | mmh, let's try again |
| 12:26.40 | Rico | 2 sec |
| 12:26.45 | MikeSeth | and also does work in your dump it seems |
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| 12:27.15 | MikeSeth | just do bear in mind it's a subinterface and won't appear as link in e.g. ip list |
| 12:27.34 | Rico | no but I should see it's ip address in "ip a l" |
| 12:28.11 | MikeSeth | ip a a, ip l doesn't display IP-level addresses |
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| 12:28.15 | jnoah | babilen: after all that mess. i now i have No Man's Sky running. :) |
| 12:28.28 | Rico | MikeSeth: "ip a l" |
| 12:28.37 | MikeSeth | derp |
| 12:28.48 | MikeSeth | Rico: you will also probably need to add routes |
| 12:28.58 | MikeSeth | and I'm dead curious what scenario exactly requires this |
| 12:29.29 | Rico | MikeSeth: I'll need to add routes later, but if my interface does not comes up, no need for a route.... |
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| 12:29.48 | MikeSeth | Rico: it does come up on my sid box |
| 12:29.59 | Rico | jessy on m side |
| 12:30.01 | Rico | my |
| 12:30.04 | Rico | jessie |
| 12:30.05 | Rico | sorry |
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| 12:30.21 | MikeSeth | shouldn't be any different |
| 12:30.58 | pekka1 | i could'nt start the selinux |
| 12:31.09 | pekka1 | sestatus always shows disabled |
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| 12:37.07 | DoctorD90 | guys to get list of installed software, what is difference between dpkg --get-selections, and dpkg -l? |
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| 12:38.32 | jnoah | jmcnaught: dropped to debian stable (one heck of a ride getting there), but I now have fglrx working and No Man's Sky launching via wine. Happy days. thanks for the help |
| 12:39.24 | cVsup | I would like a package installed a database when it was installed with the debian- cd . Can I use dbconfig for this? |
| 12:39.43 | mgedmin | DoctorD90: dpkg -l is meant for human consumption; dpkg --get-selections is for tools |
| 12:39.56 | Zharf | !tell DoctorD90 about installed |
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| 12:40.36 | Zharf | I may have misread the question a little bit, sorry if that was irrelevant :p |
| 12:41.17 | DoctorD90 | Zharf: no wait :P i know about get-selections but to be sure last night i ask here and another user gives me the same help. |
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| 12:42.38 | DoctorD90 | i tested it and 1)command has an error. who is the maintainer of bot? 2) so is better dpkg -get-selections for script pourpose :) |
| 12:43.18 | DoctorD90 | mgedmin: in the end they gice the same output...rigth? just different format? |
| 12:43.23 | abrotman | !installed |
| 12:43.23 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. See also <installed test>. For one package, use "dpkg -l packagename" or "apt-cache policy packagename" or (from squeeze onwards) "aptitude versions packagename". |
| 12:43.30 | Zharf | error? works for me |
| 12:43.44 | abrotman | DoctorD90: dpkg -l contains things not installed also, such as 'rc' |
| 12:43.58 | jelly | Rico: are you sure you need a second lo interface, and not just one or more additional addresses assigned to lo interface? |
| 12:44.11 | mgedmin | dpkg --get-selections also includes things marked "deinstall" *shrug* |
| 12:44.11 | dpkg | selects mgedmin's family photos collection |
| 12:44.27 | DoctorD90 | zharf, printf $2"/n" or it will print a long one line string |
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| 12:44.30 | MikeSeth | jelly: it seems that for loopbacks the effect is identical |
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| 12:44.43 | MikeSeth | the alias is just for management convenience |
| 12:44.59 | jelly | iface lo:1 inet static # old school aliases work for me, and there are NOT additional interfaces |
| 12:45.03 | jelly | these* |
| 12:45.05 | DoctorD90 | mgedmin: grep -v deinstall |
| 12:45.25 | DoctorD90 | grep install | grep -v deinstall |
| 12:45.44 | jelly | (even if ifconfig shows them as such) |
| 12:45.56 | DoctorD90 | so i get a complete list of installed packages :)... the aim of! tell installed packages |
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| 12:46.19 | jelly | DoctorD90: what are you going to do with the list of installed packages? |
| 12:47.07 | mgedmin | I like dpkg-query -W --showformat '${STATUS} ${PACKAGE}\n' "$@"|grep ' installed '|cut -d ' ' -f 4- |
| 12:47.44 | DoctorD90 | jelly, yesterday i get an input/output error on /home...e2fcsk -f gives 0 error..so i think I have to reinstall...so I like to get entire list of installed packages to speed up reinstall :) |
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| 12:48.01 | mgedmin | not in the sense that it's a beautiful easy-to-remember format, but in the sense that I've an alias (list-installed-packages) that expands to this monstrosity |
| 12:48.08 | jelly | DoctorD90: packages do not put stuff in /home |
| 12:48.58 | blind | That seems to do the same as: dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{print $2}' |
| 12:49.03 | MikeSeth | DoctorD90: may be a hw problem in which case reinstall won't help much.. i'd strongly advise to back up the data, and run HD stress tests |
| 12:49.25 | DoctorD90 | jelly what do you mean? o0... ah! no because in that case i have to change harddisk and im thinking to use mate instead of gnome :P... for this im thinking to comolete reinstall |
| 12:49.29 | jelly | DoctorD90: so if you only have issues with /home, and / is on a different disk, you don't have to reinstall |
| 12:49.47 | MikeSeth | DoctorD90: this may be a power, controller or cabling issue.. don't rush |
| 12:49.49 | MikeSeth | test first |
| 12:50.22 | DoctorD90 | jelly MikeSeth yea, for this im thinking to change harddisk... but i would use mate :P... |
| 12:50.46 | DoctorD90 | MikeSeth: yea, badblocks read...but it is a 300giga....many time required xD |
| 12:51.49 | DoctorD90 | mgedmin: yea, but in that case "/n" is there :) on bot, it use awk {printf $2}.... instead of {printf $2"/n"} |
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| 12:52.53 | mgedmin | btw when I say alias I really mean a tiny shell script in ~/bin (because aliases are terrible) |
| 12:53.41 | jelly | DoctorD90: ok. if you want to reinstall you'll be better served with "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" than a full list of packages |
| 12:53.53 | DoctorD90 | really? for some easy alias i use them...but for other stuff i use me too little scripts but in /usr/local/bin/ :P |
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| 12:54.50 | DoctorD90 | oh...ok i do! thx :D btw jelly in installed package, the first command need a printf $2"/n" |
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| 12:55.59 | missmbob | DoctorD90: we talked about this yesterday :P 22:36 < missmbob> DoctorD90: you want a list of installed packages on a running debian system? |
| 12:56.38 | MikeSeth | DoctorD90: hdparm -t |
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| 13:00.10 | DoctorD90 | MikeSeth: when you told "better test" do you mean "e2fcsk -f"? |
| 13:00.17 | DoctorD90 | MikeSeth: ah ok |
| 13:00.56 | MikeSeth | DoctorD90: also SMART tests etc |
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| 13:01.19 | DoctorD90 | missmbob: exactly :P but "you" lost mamy my messages because phone internet line losts signal many times :P btw i find out some other ways and I thougth if they was the same |
| 13:01.39 | missmbob | DoctorD90: ah |
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| 13:01.42 | DoctorD90 | MikeSeth: my disks seems they dont support smart :P |
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| 13:02.11 | MikeSeth | DoctorD90: are you kidding, it's 2016 |
| 13:02.38 | DoctorD90 | missmbob: yea :( phone signal here isnt the best :P |
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| 13:03.05 | DoctorD90 | MikeSeth: nope....pc is of 2009 xD more or less... hdd of 2010 more or less... |
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| 13:03.19 | DoctorD90 | they told me smart isnt availaable |
| 13:03.27 | MikeSeth | they who |
| 13:03.58 | DoctorD90 | for this im thinging to buy a new one |
| 13:04.01 | DoctorD90 | the disks |
| 13:04.22 | MikeSeth | well that -is- old |
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| 13:04.30 | MikeSeth | and no surprise you're getting IO errors |
| 13:04.40 | DoctorD90 | yea...for this :P |
| 13:04.44 | plantfood | yeah they don't even manufacture IDE hard drives anymore, i think |
| 13:04.52 | MikeSeth | IDE? O_O |
| 13:05.00 | MikeSeth | that's like MFM/RLL in this age |
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| 13:05.12 | DoctorD90 | but i did a complete 1round of badblocks destructive this december and it gives 0 errors |
| 13:05.22 | plantfood | no smart usually means IDE, no ? |
| 13:05.32 | plantfood | *SMART |
| 13:05.53 | DoctorD90 | uhm....i dont fully remember :P |
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| 13:06.48 | DoctorD90 | btw I have to purchase a new pc xD so hdd would not be a bad idea... |
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| 13:08.22 | venkat_330 | I ma trying to access FTDI device with FTDI2xx driver. Followed all steps https://github.com/psi46/HDItest/tree/master/FTDI-1.0.4/libftd2xx1.0.4 mentioned in link... With root i am able to access the device as expected but as non-root user i am not able to open the device,, Need guidance |
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| 13:12.20 | DoctorD90 | MikeSeth btw im thinking to use mate as DE, but when I tried to use double DE, system gets many errors....so instead of use my actual system amd switch to Mate, better to reinstall xD |
| 13:12.34 | MikeSeth | DoctorD90: I don't use any of that, i3-wm + custom config for me |
| 13:12.45 | DoctorD90 | lol |
| 13:12.56 | MikeSeth | I have 3 screens here, clicking on things is too much pain |
| 13:13.20 | DoctorD90 | xD.... i will have to try i3 one of this days :P |
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| 13:14.41 | DoctorD90 | have you installed a "plain" system without DE, and then have you installed i3? |
| 13:15.50 | bittin | Linuxcon has started: http://content.jwplatform.com/previews/sGxezkWB-oygsdW3u |
| 13:16.21 | plantfood | thanks for reminder |
| 13:16.23 | DoctorD90 | afk |
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| 13:16.37 | bittin | plantfood: np :) |
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| 13:17.38 | MikeSeth | DoctorD90: I always install a base netinst debian, purge it of heathen spirits like rpcbind and cups and then install things |
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| 13:18.30 | DoctorD90 | ;) to use gpt and luks i need to use netinst me too |
| 13:18.41 | DoctorD90 | but it requires many tike to install xD |
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| 13:21.30 | doublehp | how do I filter this out of syslog ? http://pastebin.com/JUsxNig8 |
| 13:22.35 | doublehp | it's sysklogd |
| 13:22.36 | bezaban | doublehp: don't turn the switchport you're connected to into a tap |
| 13:22.54 | bezaban | as mentioned in ##networking |
| 13:23.11 | MikeSeth | doublehp: that's a bad sign, check for packet loss |
| 13:23.13 | doublehp | bezaban: had not seen that message |
| 13:23.36 | bezaban | doublehp: I suspect the 'port monitoring' you're activating is a span/mirror port, which will cause that behaviour |
| 13:24.42 | bezaban | doublehp: what are you expecting it to do? |
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| 13:24.50 | doublehp | bezaban: eth0 does have brctl+tap ... but the mirror port is not the monitoring port |
| 13:25.11 | bezaban | if you're seeing those packets it doesn't sound like it's configured right |
| 13:25.17 | doublehp | bezaban: but I may be able to remove the bridge |
| 13:25.37 | _0xbadc0de | guys |
| 13:25.47 | _0xbadc0de | I just did apt-get install apache2 |
| 13:25.52 | _0xbadc0de | how can I initialize it |
| 13:26.05 | MikeSeth | what do you mean 'initialize' |
| 13:26.07 | _0xbadc0de | because http://$(hostname -I) does not show anything |
| 13:26.12 | bezaban | doublehp: supressing the messages in the log is not a good solution imo |
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| 13:26.31 | doublehp | bezaban: will removing the bridge help ? |
| 13:26.53 | bezaban | doublehp: don't know enough about your setup. it might |
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| 13:27.04 | bezaban | try |
| 13:27.07 | MikeSeth | _0xbadc0de: you mean *start*? |
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| 13:33.14 | themill | _0xbadc0de: what precisely do you mean by "does not show anything"? Connection refused? blank page? "It works!"? |
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| 13:34.39 | _0xbadc0de | systemctl start apache2 |
| 13:34.43 | _0xbadc0de | that was the answer |
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| 13:36.42 | MikeSeth | _0xbadc0de: words have meanings |
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| 13:38.08 | stoned | Words don't have meanings. |
| 13:38.17 | stoned | Meanings are conveyed through words. |
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| 13:39.15 | stoned | You can make up any word and assign any meaning to it. |
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| 13:51.11 | daveyjonesy | For hosting a virtualised home media server (and I know I will get biased answers here) would you suggest I use debian over ubuntu? |
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| 13:51.33 | petemc | daveyjonesy: either would work |
| 13:51.35 | daveyjonesy | I'm currently running it on debian 8, not having issues as such but I noticed quite a few people using ubuntu server |
| 13:51.48 | missmbob | if it aint broke dont fix it |
| 13:51.51 | daveyjonesy | Is there any value to be gained from moving to Ubuntu? |
| 13:52.17 | daveyjonesy | missmbob, maybe you're right! |
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| 13:55.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | daveyjonesy, I'm sure #ubuntu can give you lots of great reasons to switch⦠they usually can |
| 13:56.21 | bezaban | it's a different cup of tea |
| 13:57.02 | daveyjonesy | Do you think I should stay? :D |
| 13:57.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | sometimes even reminds me a little of apple fandom |
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| 13:57.16 | bezaban | or kettle of fish rather |
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| 13:57.52 | sypher | daveyjonesy: What is Debian not doing that you need it to do, or doing that you need it to NOT do? |
| 13:58.16 | bezaban | daveyjonesy: do what you prefer, I manage a wide variety of flavours myself and they all work, but don't expect anyone here to try to convince you either way :O) |
| 13:58.33 | daveyjonesy | It's working fine for me sypher, but I may potentially rebuild my server anyway so was just wondering (having read a few people using ubuntu server over debian) if there's any merit to doing so |
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| 13:58.59 | sypher | daveyjonesy: These "few people," can they give the reasons for their choice? |
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| 13:59.17 | sypher | daveyjonesy: Do these reasons have any true technical merit? |
| 13:59.18 | bezaban | I dislike a lot of the ubuntu-ism, but basically it comes down to personal preference |
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| 13:59.20 | daveyjonesy | I mean, I hear there's newer packages. But what difference does that really mean to me running sabnzbd, sonarr, couch potato, transission etc. |
| 13:59.48 | daveyjonesy | sypher, i've not discussed it with them personally. Just reading various posts around etc. |
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| 14:01.05 | sypher | daveyjonesy: Newer != better. |
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| 14:01.49 | sypher | daveyjonesy: So far, it seems like you're not missing any capability that you need, you're already familiar with the system, etc. What is your remaining motive for change other than doing what other people are doing? |
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| 14:02.19 | stoned | daveyjonesy: this is a very very silly query. |
| 14:02.29 | daveyjonesy | Trying something different, checking out the "greener" grass on the other side I don't know |
| 14:02.37 | stoned | daveyjonesy: anyone's else's suggestion is useless to you. |
| 14:02.55 | daveyjonesy | Please elaborate stoned |
| 14:03.02 | stoned | daveyjonesy: the only thing that will help you is using both in two vms side by side set them up both and see which works better for you. |
| 14:03.14 | stoned | daveyjonesy: the only thing that matters is YOUR OWN experience |
| 14:03.22 | stoned | What do you expect us to do for you? |
| 14:03.33 | stoned | Give you our experience? A description of OUR experience? |
| 14:03.41 | stoned | A description is not a thing. |
| 14:03.43 | daveyjonesy | That's true, I was just asking for some thoughts or anecdotes |
| 14:03.49 | stoned | I can draw you a mountain, but the drawing is not the mountain |
| 14:03.50 | daveyjonesy | I don't think asking here is useless |
| 14:03.53 | stoned | Go have the experience. |
| 14:03.57 | stoned | Don't ask silly questions. |
| 14:04.21 | hassoon | yep, the experiencer is better than a doctor |
| 14:04.24 | sypher | daveyjonesy: I can make a Linux box do whatever I want using Debian, Ubuntu, RHEL/CentOS, Fedora, Gentoo, Arch Linux, etc. |
| 14:04.41 | sypher | daveyjonesy: Try what you want, use what you want. |
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| 14:05.14 | stoned | Well, to come to #debian and ask whether you should use debian or not, what do you think will happen? You'll be queried as to your usecase and debian can pretty much handle all of them. Just takes a bit more work. |
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| 14:05.19 | daveyjonesy | stoned, philosophy aside, I don't think asking for input or advice is stupid. Nor do I think it's a silly question. |
| 14:05.23 | stoned | If you were to go to #ubuntu they'd tell you to use Ubuntu |
| 14:05.29 | daveyjonesy | Not necessarily |
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| 14:05.36 | daveyjonesy | Thanks sypher |
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| 14:06.18 | bezaban | daveyjonesy: everyone here are debian users by choice, you have to make your own |
| 14:06.42 | stoned | I mean, I wouldn't know to NOT use Ubuntu, if I hadn't used it. |
| 14:06.47 | themill | moving on⦠|
| 14:06.52 | stoned | I know to use Debian, because I use it. |
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| 14:06.58 | stoned | So you gotta use the things and then make the mind up |
| 14:07.15 | daveyjonesy | bezaban, that's fair enough, I was just asking for some input regarding a specific use case. Perhaps there is some extra value to some part of one or the other. I don't know, which is why I was just asking for some guidance |
| 14:08.07 | bezaban | daveyjonesy: usecase was very vague, but debian will do it |
| 14:08.45 | daveyjonesy | bezaban, I tried to explain the core use and some of the applications I was using. But again, fair enough! |
| 14:08.51 | bezaban | daveyjonesy: otoh if you are using plex or something you might want a rolling release (at the cost of occasional breakage) |
| 14:08.54 | bezaban | ,v plex |
| 14:08.55 | judd | No package named 'plex' was found in amd64. |
| 14:09.04 | bezaban | or not :P |
| 14:09.12 | stoned | I use sabsnzbd, sickbeard, couchpotato, etc. etc. on debian |
| 14:09.19 | daveyjonesy | I would be using plex |
| 14:09.19 | stoned | \o/ |
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| 14:10.22 | missmbob | plex had jessie repository... |
| 14:10.26 | missmbob | has* |
| 14:11.28 | syt0 | hello, I was trying to install tor on debian 8 minimal and there were some unneeded packages that was going to be installed like exim4 and cron, why did this happen and how can i prevent it? |
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| 14:15.09 | reactormonk | How would I detect from a post-inst script if a config file has been changed? |
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| 14:17.06 | smdrz | syth0, you remove after installation |
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| 14:21.28 | syt0 | no |
| 14:21.50 | syt0 | i'll just install windows |
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| 14:22.41 | c-c | syt0: haha did you know today microsofts main business is selling personal information? |
| 14:22.57 | afidegnum | hello, on debian 7, trying to install systemctl and systemctl-recv crashed the grup of my server. here is hte screenshot of what' I have got so far sorry this is an emergency console, i couldn't capture a full shot https://snag.gy/qEuNXB.jpg |
| 14:23.01 | afidegnum | but i have requested for a rescue system can you pleae advise how to use it to recover my boot partitions? |
| 14:23.04 | afidegnum | https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Hetzner_Rescue-System/en |
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| 14:24.38 | syt0 | c-c: it doesn't seem like there is a solution for this |
| 14:24.58 | syt0 | i thought you guys were pros |
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| 14:25.22 | bezaban | syt0: we don't mind if you install windows, have a full refund of your support fees and have a nice day |
| 14:25.30 | digdilem | </troll> |
| 14:25.34 | c-c | syt0: we cannot stop microsoft from invading their paying customers privacy, sorry |
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| 14:26.09 | jelly | syt0: can you show the complete output of the installation attempt? |
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| 14:26.56 | smdrz | syt0 add --no-install-recommends to apt |
| 14:26.59 | syt0 | jelly: would it help? |
| 14:27.11 | SynrG | as for 'pro', that would technically be someone who makes a living giving support. are you soliciting quotes for such support, then? |
| 14:27.21 | jelly | syt0: if you installed something that depends on recommends cron, it would pull in a mta (like exim) by default |
| 14:27.33 | afidegnum | any insight ? |
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| 14:27.42 | jelly | syt0: yes, else I wouldn't ask for it |
| 14:28.00 | SynrG | afidegnum: hard to get people to care about debian 7 much anymore. why are you stuck on such an old version? |
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| 14:28.29 | jelly | afidegnum: eh, systemd on wheezy was pretty old and pretty broken |
| 14:28.53 | syt0 | smdrz: thanks, that solved it |
| 14:29.00 | jelly | SynrG: I'm sure you mean that, but I find myself installing fresh wheezy today |
| 14:29.10 | SynrG | fun! |
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| 14:29.16 | jelly | because "app supports postgres 9.1 or 9.3" |
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| 14:29.39 | SynrG | afidegnum: i'm not sure i understand "trying to install systemctl", as that's a component of systemd, and would not be normally installed separately. |
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| 14:31.19 | SynrG | afidegnum: and also as to the inability to make any changes in apt, it would appear your root filesystem is mounted read-only. without understanding what you are trying to do, i can't advise that you should change that ... but if you want to make changes to your filesystem, clearly you'll need to remount it read/write |
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| 14:32.42 | Iridos | SynrG, I think the hetzner servers just aren't updated too often... and anyway if you have a vps, I think you have to deploy a completely new image for the new kernel (and userland) and then somehow have to migrate your stuff magically |
| 14:32.59 | Iridos | (I once helped someone who ran a server on one of their vps') |
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| 14:34.09 | SynrG | i see |
| 14:34.19 | SynrG | i probably can't assist any further, then. |
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| 14:34.49 | afidegnum | well i don't know what happened, after running hte installation, i had a Failed to get D-Bus connection: no Connection to service manager |
| 14:34.59 | Iridos | but because it's virtual, you can't do an upgrade including the kernel |
| 14:35.00 | afidegnum | that's where my woes started |
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| 14:36.58 | afidegnum | now, i m looking to recover the linux partition/installation |
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| 14:37.16 | afidegnum | so it can overwrite the old booting system |
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| 14:40.19 | jelly | <Iridos> but because it's virtual, you can't do an upgrade including the kernel # then it's not virtual ENOUGH |
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| 14:42.23 | Iridos | jelly, but⦠performance |
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| 14:52.22 | _0xbadc0de | guys |
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| 14:53.19 | _0xbadc0de | is this a good place to discuss phpBB; apache and sqlite and a failed isntallatioN' |
| 14:53.20 | _0xbadc0de | =? |
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| 14:53.58 | nkuttler | _0xbadc0de: which install fails? |
| 14:54.15 | _0xbadc0de | phpBB |
| 14:54.24 | nkuttler | _0xbadc0de: ask the phpbb channel |
| 14:55.12 | nkuttler | _0xbadc0de: or are you using a debian package? |
| 14:55.17 | nkuttler | ,v phpbb3 |
| 14:55.18 | judd | Package: phpbb3 on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 3.0.10-4+deb7u1; wheezy: 3.0.10-4+deb7u3; jessie: 3.0.12-5+deb8u1 |
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| 14:56.25 | _0xbadc0de | but php is running i think |
| 14:56.44 | _0xbadc0de | at least server/test.php returns what would be expected |
| 14:57.03 | nkuttler | why do you think there was an error? |
| 14:57.03 | _0xbadc0de | <?php phpversion(); ?> |
| 14:57.17 | _0xbadc0de | I really have no idea |
| 14:57.21 | jelly | !ask |
| 14:57.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:57.49 | _0xbadc0de | I just extracted the install folder of phpBB 2.0.23 to www/ |
| 14:58.00 | _0xbadc0de | and attempted to run /install/install.php |
| 14:58.07 | _0xbadc0de | but...nothing happened |
| 14:58.11 | nkuttler | _0xbadc0de: if you don't use the debian package ask the phpbb channel |
| 14:58.25 | _0xbadc0de | I mean the installation screen shows up but when i hit install it shows that |
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| 14:58.39 | _0xbadc0de | maybe mysql module has not been loaded |
| 14:58.39 | _0xbadc0de | ? |
| 14:58.49 | jelly | 2.0.23 sounds very last decade |
| 14:59.02 | _0xbadc0de | it is but it must be this specific version |
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| 14:59.45 | jelly | _0xbadc0de: I suggest setting up a chroot installation of a suitably old debian system, and trying to run in that environment |
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| 15:00.29 | jelly | if an app expects php 5.2 but has to run on php 5.6 there's a high chance of failure |
| 15:00.41 | jelly | !debootstrap |
| 15:00.41 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 15:01.01 | jelly | _0xbadc0de: good luck. |
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| 15:06.58 | afidegnum | what's the equivalent of systemd-sysv in wheezy again? |
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| 15:15.42 | jelly | afidegnum: probably "just use sysvinit" unless you have something specific in mind |
| 15:15.56 | jelly | ,v systemd-sysv |
| 15:15.57 | judd | Package: systemd-sysv on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u4; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 230-7; sid: 231-4 |
| 15:16.47 | jelly | afidegnum: if you're absolutely bent on doing systemd on wheezy, perhaps the version from wheezy-backports may work (better) |
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| 15:23.40 | Nematocyst | how can I get gnome applications to look right? I'm using cinnamon with a custom theme. most programs look fine, but gnome stuff has washed out title bar and horrible borderless windows. |
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| 16:06.58 | JohnA | I am currently running stretch + LXDE, my principle application used is Gramps. I have found that LXDE has glitches, no show stoppers, but annoying. What would be a better setup be? |
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| 16:08.20 | JohnA | I would prefer NOT to use Evolution and as I don't see much point in installing un-needed software I would prefer not install it. |
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| 16:09.53 | nkuttler | JohnA: i'm not sure what your question is |
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| 16:10.44 | nkuttler | JohnA: maybe you want to install lxde-core instead of the full package |
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| 16:16.09 | JohnA | there is another example of a problem I switched app, to close it. and hexchat assumed I had left the room!!! |
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| 16:16.56 | AfterDark | I installed Debian 8 on a USB drive, so I always have a portable OS. The read speeds aren't great, though. Are there any ways to improve this? |
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| 16:18.43 | jelly | AfterDark: use a faster, usb3 connected drive? |
| 16:19.16 | AfterDark | It's all USB3-ed up. |
| 16:20.30 | jelly | AfterDark: and "pv < /dev/sdX > /dev/null" as root shows what speeds |
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| 16:30.44 | beardy_ | Hello! |
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| 16:31.52 | beardy_ | So i found out someting really strange, my password for a certain cifs share had expired on said windows machine. I updated it an ran a mount, after that the folder that it binds to i have lost access over |
| 16:32.02 | beardy_ | the owner/group permissions all read as "??????" |
| 16:32.13 | beardy_ | so where did i fuck up :) ? |
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| 16:34.43 | SynrG | beardy_: maybe something cached there and corrupt? |
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| 16:35.21 | SynrG | beardy_: if rebooting the client system doesn't fix it, you might need a server admin to intervene :p |
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| 16:35.45 | SynrG | (based on hazy recollection of seeing '??????' here at work, and actions taken to clear the condition) |
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| 16:36.08 | beardy_ | SynrG: too bad I'm the server admin ;) |
| 16:36.11 | SynrG | haha |
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| 16:36.24 | SynrG | umm. in this case, the server was windows |
| 16:36.34 | SynrG | i don't do windows server stuff, so ... |
| 16:36.35 | SynrG | can't advise |
| 16:36.41 | beardy_ | I have never experienced anything like this :/ |
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| 16:37.04 | beardy_ | oh the share is mounted from a windows share, but the permissions and whatnot is listed as "??????" on the debian machine |
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| 16:39.01 | SynrG | yep. same situation as I had, i think |
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| 16:39.12 | beardy_ | Too bad I'm in a remote location and the machine will require a password after rebooting |
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| 16:39.21 | SynrG | guh |
| 16:39.24 | beardy_ | guess i will have to let i go until i get back |
| 16:39.31 | Rebelnet | hi |
| 16:40.23 | Rebelnet | Anyone would recommend a debian ready laptop? |
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| 16:40.46 | beardy_ | well that was odd |
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| 16:41.08 | beardy_ | SynrG: for reference, umount foldername |
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| 16:41.14 | beardy_ | and then mounting it again cleared it up :P |
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| 16:42.30 | beardy_ | I wonder if the folders where locked or something, and changing the password for the mount messed it up |
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| 16:43.41 | beardy_ | oh well time to do some actual work again |
| 16:43.43 | beardy_ | later guys |
| 16:43.45 | beardy_ | and gals |
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| 16:45.11 | noname85421 | Hey |
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| 16:45.47 | noname85421 | I would like to know, how default debian installation can bypass nat firewall and connect to ftp over tls |
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| 16:46.08 | greycat | What makes you think it can? |
| 16:46.48 | noname85421 | Because, windows can't connect, archlinux can't connect, debian can connect |
| 16:46.52 | noname85421 | on same network |
| 16:46.53 | greycat | I also think your life would become an order of magnitude simpler if you would stop trying to connect to "FTP over TLS" and just use sftp. |
| 16:47.37 | noname85421 | I am working with web developing company so i have to use they servers |
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| 16:48.24 | jelly | noname85421: is the client or the server behind nat or both? which OS on the client? which ftp client software? which OS on the server? which ftp server software? |
| 16:48.26 | noname85421 | I just can't understand what magic debian does |
| 16:48.42 | noname85421 | My lan is behind nat |
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| 16:48.57 | noname85421 | If i use my dsl connection i can connect |
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| 16:49.21 | jelly | are "you" the ftp client or the ftp server or both? |
| 16:49.26 | greycat | What application are you using to "connect"? |
| 16:49.34 | noname85421 | main question is why i could connect to same server via same network while i was using debian |
| 16:49.40 | noname85421 | Filezilla |
| 16:50.05 | noname85421 | Initializing TLS... and timed out |
| 16:50.06 | Fauve | Hello people o/ |
| 16:50.17 | Fauve | Do you already use Remmina with NX protocol? |
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| 16:50.22 | Fauve | It works? |
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| 16:54.58 | SynrG | beardy: huh. surprisingly simple |
| 16:55.20 | beardy | Say what..? |
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| 16:55.28 | SynrG | umount fixed it |
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| 16:55.52 | beardy | wonders why SynrG speaks to him here since he hasn't said anything.. but ok. :) |
| 16:55.56 | SynrG | ah, not beardy_ :) |
| 16:56.14 | SynrG | <-- beardy_ (5eea276d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.234.39.109) has left #debian |
| 16:56.29 | beardy | An imposter eh.. |
| 16:56.35 | SynrG | indeed |
| 16:57.04 | jelly | noname85421: it's hard to say not knowing the specifics of your network and ftp client. Wild guess: different defaults for passive or active ftp used |
| 16:57.23 | jelly | !next |
| 16:57.23 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 16:57.34 | beardy | From Sweden even, wtf.. |
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| 16:57.51 | SynrG | well, gateway/web/freenode ... from anywhere? |
| 16:58.05 | jelly | probably a nonzero number of beardies in .se |
| 16:58.06 | beardy | From the IP..? |
| 16:58.11 | SynrG | oh, the ip, gotcha |
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| 16:58.53 | jelly | noname85421: it's hard to say not knowing the specifics of your network and ftp client. Wild guess: different defaults for passive or active ftp used |
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| 17:00.04 | beardy | !ftpmustdie |
| 17:00.04 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 17:00.17 | SynrG | further speculation on beardy frequency and distribution by geographic region is, i suspect, OT ;) (but i would hazard a guess that yes, .se is full of beards) |
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| 17:00.58 | greycat | He claims that he is "required" to use FTP-over-TLS by some provider (and no he didn't say why he was using that provider). |
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| 17:02.55 | noname85421 | okay |
| 17:03.12 | noname85421 | now i have two laptops connected to same router |
| 17:03.41 | noname85421 | one laptop is arch linux another is debian |
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| 17:04.11 | noname85421 | debian connect to same server without tls |
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| 17:04.41 | noname85421 | and on arch linux i do receive AUTH TLS.. initializing TLS and connection dies |
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| 17:05.23 | noname85421 | how to understand this? |
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| 17:06.24 | greycat | Ask #archlinux |
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| 17:09.18 | jelly | noname85421: inspect actual traffic on both, see what makes one ask for capabilities and try to TLS, and the other not do that |
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| 17:09.44 | jelly | tcpdump and wireshark are your friends. |
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| 17:16.42 | noname85421 | http://pastebin.com/aMNyzRfE |
| 17:16.51 | noname85421 | what magic does debian? :) |
| 17:17.58 | greycat | What magic does Arch *fail* to do? Ask #archlinux or ask a filezilla channel. |
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| 17:18.20 | noname85421 | greycat |
| 17:18.27 | greycat | Looks like #filezilla also exists. |
| 17:18.30 | noname85421 | as i remember windows fails too |
| 17:18.37 | greycat | Such shock. |
| 17:18.54 | noname85421 | ill check it now |
| 17:19.11 | UukGoblin | neither jessie's nor sid's installer sees my network card (an Intel I-218V, which, I believe uses the e1000e driver) :-( cards works fine in a different distro |
| 17:19.27 | UukGoblin | s/cards/card/ |
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| 17:21.11 | Putti | I want to print A4 page with my printer using lp program (or any other but evince is not working). I want the printed paper to be borderless but I can't find any option in lp's man page to do that nor in lpoptions program or the web. Help would be appreciated! :) |
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| 17:21.46 | pneumatik | i'm so excited, i'm getting my dell poweredge server tonight :D |
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| 17:22.02 | pneumatik | gonna probably have 2 debian VMs on it |
| 17:22.11 | pneumatik | one for i2p and one for regular stuff |
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| 17:23.23 | Putti | pneumatik, a bit curious, what's regular stuff? |
| 17:23.44 | pneumatik | regular http/https hosting |
| 17:23.49 | pneumatik | and probably a minecraft server |
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| 17:24.01 | Putti | pneumatik, okay :) |
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| 17:37.54 | Putti | I think the printer doesn't support borderless printing as when I select for example in evince or firefox the pdf for printing as borderless both of them won't do it (but they don't say any error message...) |
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| 17:51.29 | hellyeah | is there a software for downloading youtube video as mp3? someone knows the name of software? |
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| 17:52.14 | greycat | It's something of an arms race, because youtube wants you to see their ads, and people want to skip the ads... anway. |
| 17:52.18 | greycat | ,info youtube-dl |
| 17:52.19 | judd | Package youtube-dl (web, extra) in jessie/amd64: downloader of videos from YouTube and other sites. Version: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; Size: 315.1k; Installed: 1469k; Homepage: http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/youtube-dl |
| 17:52.34 | SlazO | hellyeah: youtube-dl |
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| 17:52.47 | SlazO | then convert your file with ffmpeg |
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| 17:53.16 | hellyeah | youtube-dl will convert it? |
| 17:53.23 | missmbob | yeah. no need for ffmpeg |
| 17:53.37 | SlazO | ah, sweet |
| 17:53.59 | theseb | Any idea why wifi would randomly die when resume after sleep but not always? |
| 17:53.59 | theseb | Also, sometimes it asks me for the wifi password after an hour or so and |
| 17:54.02 | theseb | sometimes it doesn't all day!? |
| 17:54.28 | cybrNaut | cclive will do it |
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| 17:57.11 | cybrNaut | scratch that.. i'm not sure |
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| 18:08.53 | Jkessler | I'm new to raid and I failed a drive, thinking I could easily readd it. Now it's flagged faulty. I searched and tried adding and reassembling with this command mdadm --assemble --force /dev/md0 $OVERLAYS -- "cat /proc/mdstat" and "mdadm --detail /dev/md0" output: http://hastebin.com/iluxomavuq.sm -- Both drives are brand new. It says /dev/sda1 is busy but I can't see what it's doing and how do I remove the faulty flag? Thanks. |
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| 18:12.27 | Jkessler | Raid 1 |
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| 18:14.57 | cluelessperson | hey guys, what are some built in tools for checking hard drive health? |
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| 18:21.15 | FreshDumbledore | cluelessperson, smartctl for example |
| 18:21.30 | FreshDumbledore | should be in your distros repos |
| 18:21.53 | FreshDumbledore | smartmontools on debian |
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| 18:25.40 | Treah_Work | Hey all I have a question about the testing versions of the netinstall iso.. There is one named debian-mac-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:25.47 | Treah_Work | I was just curous what this is? |
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| 18:26.35 | missmbob | https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel |
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| 18:27.02 | Treah_Work | Ahh |
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| 18:27.59 | Treah_Work | I thought maybe this was for any of the newer macs to deal with the UEFI that they have since its not the same UEFI as PC systems |
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| 18:30.50 | f-a | I downloaded the i386 iso and would like now to go for the automated install, but where to select options (e.g. desktop environment, etc.)? |
| 18:32.02 | FreshDumbledore | f-a, you sure you got a 32 bit cpu? |
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| 18:33.08 | f-a | FreshDumbledore: yes, glulgug refurbished lappy |
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| 18:33.21 | f-a | (well, I am installing in a kvm vm, but same) |
| 18:33.40 | FreshDumbledore | f-a, i used the netiso and it asked me somewhere in the end of the installation which DE i want to use |
| 18:34.08 | f-a | FreshDumbledore: yeah, me too. Today I was temped by that 'automated install' option |
| 18:34.51 | FreshDumbledore | f-a, https://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s07.html.en says you have to create a configuration file which the options you want to provide |
| 18:34.55 | rly | When I do /usr/bin/autossh -M 0 -f -N nameoftunnel for some weird reason it doesn't work when I try to connect to it via e.g. curl (but any other method also doesn't work). Version of autossh is 1.4d. |
| 18:35.37 | rly | The exact same command on a different system with a different version of autossh (and, not distributed by Debian), does work. |
| 18:35.48 | f-a | oh thanks FreshDumbledore , I missed that |
| 18:36.03 | FreshDumbledore | f-a, doublecheck its the right thing for you :D |
| 18:36.06 | rly | There are no warnings or something like that and just doing ssh nameoftunnel does work. |
| 18:36.10 | FreshDumbledore | just trying to help ^.^ |
| 18:36.35 | f-a | worst that can happen is that I create another vm ;) |
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| 18:37.25 | blind | I've got a 7" USB "DisplayLink" monitor I'm trying to use with Debian Jessie. I also have AMD drivers on here that run my monitors, so I have a populated xorg.conf to make those work. If I get rid of the xorg.conf, I have X on the little monitor and can't see the normal ones. If I leave the file in place, I get my normal monitors but no the little one. How can I have this little USB monitor be auxiliary? |
| 18:37.27 | FreshDumbledore | f-a, i think here is a full documentation https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 18:37.35 | f-a | thanks FreshDumbledore |
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| 18:39.55 | blind | I did try to add a xorg.conf entry for the little monitor, but it didn't seem to have any effect.. xrandr doesn't see it. |
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| 18:40.29 | t4nk022 | hi |
| 18:40.40 | t4nk022 | mysql-workbench is severely broken in unstable |
| 18:40.47 | t4nk022 | I'm really annoyed |
| 18:40.55 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 18:40.55 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:40.58 | t4nk022 | what could I do to fix this ? |
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| 18:41.05 | missmbob | annoyed at unstable being broken is funny |
| 18:41.09 | blind | upset that unstable isn't stable? :p |
| 18:41.17 | t4nk022 | well it's broken |
| 18:41.21 | missmbob | go tell them |
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| 18:41.28 | missmbob | i'm sure they'll laugh a bit too |
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| 18:41.47 | rly | I am annoying that Stable isn't Stable. |
| 18:41.51 | rly | annoyed* |
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| 18:42.04 | t4nk022 | I tried downgrading to stable |
| 18:42.08 | t4nk022 | but it was too hard |
| 18:42.10 | missmbob | doesn't work |
| 18:42.12 | missmbob | !downgrade |
| 18:42.12 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 18:42.14 | t4nk022 | it was a mess in the end. |
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| 18:42.23 | missmbob | go to #debian-next like the /topic and bot told you |
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| 18:42.27 | rly | t4nk022: Debian is not designed to do that, and yet that sucks. |
| 18:42.31 | rly | yes* |
| 18:42.43 | t4nk022 | well I doubt they will help |
| 18:42.56 | t4nk022 | probably will tell me the same thing you did. |
| 18:43.04 | missmbob | it's actually on topic there |
| 18:43.05 | rly | t4nk022: if you don't want to have these issues, you should just run a couple of VMs. |
| 18:43.10 | blind | To go to the proper channel? I don't think they would do that in the proper channel. |
| 18:43.23 | rly | t4nk022: so, you have your stable operating system which only runs your VMs. |
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| 18:43.53 | rly | t4nk022: then to do anything involving applications, you run a VM for that, or multiple. |
| 18:44.05 | rly | t4nk022: this way you can run stable, unstable, etc. all at the same time. |
| 18:44.27 | t4nk022 | how can I slowly avoid upgrade and slowly wait for my machine to be stable |
| 18:44.33 | t4nk022 | without dist-upgrading ? |
| 18:44.38 | rly | t4nk022: that's also a bad idea. |
| 18:44.43 | t4nk022 | k |
| 18:44.43 | rly | t4nk022: it will never work. |
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| 18:45.00 | rly | t4nk022: you can do a reinstall. |
| 18:45.13 | rly | t4nk022: get a Debian installer CD, if you want. |
| 18:45.26 | `Kevin | containers would be ideal versus VMs if you have the time.. |
| 18:45.27 | f-a | t4nk022: indeed, any chance you can just backup the relevant data and start from scratch |
| 18:45.32 | rly | t4nk022: or just install another operating system which has been designed to do these kinds of things. |
| 18:46.04 | rly | t4nk022: Debian is not a system you can meaningfully upgrade. |
| 18:46.08 | rly | t4nk022: or downgrade. |
| 18:46.24 | rly | People put in a lot of effort, but in the end it's all broken. |
| 18:46.46 | Treah_Work | Im pretty sure you can go stable -> unstable |
| 18:46.50 | rly | The tooling is just not there to provide any meaningful serivce level. |
| 18:47.00 | rly | Treah_Work: I am pretty sure you can't. |
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| 18:47.26 | rly | Treah_Work: your interpretation of that is that there exists systems (for example yours), for which this would work. |
| 18:47.50 | rly | Treah_Work: my interpretation is that it should work on every system that can possibly exist and was a valid Stable configuration. |
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| 18:48.00 | Treah_Work | yeah no |
| 18:48.16 | rly | Treah_Work: "yeah no"? |
| 18:48.27 | t4nk022 | I really think you could if aptitude and apt and dependancies in general in debian was not that broken |
| 18:48.39 | t4nk022 | I mean |
| 18:48.52 | t4nk022 | from an engineering standpoint it is quite possible. |
| 18:48.52 | Treah_Work | rly im agreeing |
| 18:49.05 | rly | t4nk022: it's not "that broken", but it's not perfect either. |
| 18:49.07 | missmbob | !dontbreakdebian |
| 18:49.07 | dpkg | well, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 18:49.22 | rly | It depends way too much on the individual qualities of maintainers. |
| 18:49.32 | rly | And those are even volunteers, which makes it even worse. |
| 18:49.58 | t4nk022 | is there circular dependancies in debian ? |
| 18:50.00 | rly | Even most professional people are already incompetent, let alone someone who is not paid for it. |
| 18:50.15 | t4nk022 | time to go |
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| 18:51.27 | rly | What I find most surprising about all of this is that the people building Debian don't get these simple facts. |
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| 18:57.58 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 18:59.05 | johnfg | I note that in my home folder of .adobe, that Flash_Player/NativeCache has grown way too big, 3.5 gb! |
| 18:59.18 | johnfg | How do I clean it up/get rid of it? |
| 18:59.30 | johnfg | Not much I've found my searching. |
| 18:59.41 | stoned | there is something called bleachbit |
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| 19:00.24 | stoned | that might help |
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| 19:00.45 | missmbob | just rm the bitch |
| 19:01.20 | `Kevin | you can delete NativeCache it should re-create it as needed but if you need to free up disk space then i would look elsewhere as it will likely re-generate that sooner rather than later |
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| 19:02.13 | johnfg | k, thanks guys |
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| 19:08.07 | Meerkat | is it known when wine 1.9.17 is out on jessie-backports. i'd like to play SC2 again. :/ |
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| 19:08.30 | daio | you can with virtualbox |
| 19:08.38 | missmbob | Meerkat: maybe never |
| 19:09.26 | greycat | sid has wine 1.8.3-3 for whatever that's worth |
| 19:09.34 | missmbob | so does backports :P |
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| 19:09.56 | greycat | ,v wine-development |
| 19:09.57 | judd | Package: wine-development on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; sid: 1.9.14-1; jessie-backports: 1.9.16-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.9.16-1; sid: 1.9.16-1 |
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| 19:10.01 | greycat | Try that one maybe? |
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| 19:11.34 | bipul | May i know what permission decides the deletion of directory by group members? |
| 19:12.09 | greycat | 1) the directory must be empty, and 2) you must have write permission on the directory's PARENT directory. |
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| 19:13.54 | bipul | greycat, Well, i created a file say A at my home directory, with following permissions drwx-wx--- 2 lucy lucy 4096 Aug 22 23:20 A. |
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| 19:14.13 | greycat | That's a directory, but go on. |
| 19:14.39 | bipul | And when i am trying to delete that directory with group member harry hary@bipul:/home/lucy$ rm -rf A/ |
| 19:14.39 | bipul | rm: cannot remove 'A/': Permission denied |
| 19:15.05 | bipul | The directory A is empty. |
| 19:15.09 | greycat | The user trying to delete /home/lucy/A must have WRITE PERMISSION on the /home/lucy/ directory. |
| 19:15.24 | greycat | Doesn't MATTER what the permissions are on /home/lucy/A. |
| 19:15.31 | greycat | Only on the directory that it's inside. |
| 19:15.38 | bipul | greycat, Oh oki |
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| 19:16.05 | bipul | So On linux every thing is one single directory. / |
| 19:16.17 | pijiu | yes, in / |
| 19:16.30 | bipul | Got idea |
| 19:16.48 | pijiu | never rm -rf / |
| 19:16.56 | Strykar | how does one find and contact the maintainer of a deb package |
| 19:17.01 | greycat | File a bug report. |
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| 19:17.02 | bipul | No i will remove "w" Option from / |
| 19:17.32 | bipul | So that no one can do rm -rf / even drunk root user |
| 19:17.36 | pijiu | Strykar, aptitude show PKGNAME will show u his contacts |
| 19:18.16 | pijiu | bipul, u may actually put all stuff into separate disk partitions like a pro |
| 19:18.36 | bipul | pijiu, humm i will try. |
| 19:18.55 | pijiu | partitioning is actually recommended |
| 19:19.15 | Strykar | pijiu, thank you |
| 19:19.22 | pijiu | Strykar, yw |
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| 19:20.10 | pijiu | when i see rm -rf i think "bumblebee!" |
| 19:20.15 | pijiu | then lol. |
| 19:20.28 | stoned | ever tried rm -rf / as root? |
| 19:20.44 | bipul | Thank you greycat & pijiu . |
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| 19:21.00 | pijiu | https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee-Old-and-abbandoned/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6f1dafc8beb84f2ac in case if someone missed bumblebee |
| 19:21.03 | stoned | As soon as the rm binary is removed it stops |
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| 19:21.38 | pijiu | stoned, no i didnt, but tried rm -rf important folder content at remote AND backup server |
| 19:21.39 | greycat | stoned: lies. |
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| 19:22.04 | pijiu | greycat, try |
| 19:22.05 | greycat | Note to readers: please do NOT test "rm -rf /" on your systems. It will break everything. |
| 19:22.17 | stoned | test it in a vm |
| 19:22.19 | greycat | pijiu: This is your first and last warning. This is not funny. |
| 19:22.22 | stoned | it's learning experience |
| 19:22.25 | pijiu | okay |
| 19:22.46 | stoned | I think that's what i remember when I last tested it in a vm |
| 19:22.57 | pijiu | *setting up vm* |
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| 19:24.12 | bipul | drwxrwxr-x 8 lucy lucy 4096 Aug 23 00:22 /home/lucy/ Lucy has w in group permission, Now again on directory A which is inside lucy home directory |
| 19:24.16 | unborn | learning experience ? to destroy system? 0o |
| 19:24.23 | bipul | rm: cannot remove 'A/': Permission denied |
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| 19:24.34 | bipul | uid=1002(hary) gid=1002(hary) groups=1002(hary),1001(lucy) |
| 19:24.39 | bipul | Again same issue. |
| 19:24.54 | greycat | bipul: exactly WHAT command did you type to get that output? Did you type "id" or did you type "id somename"? |
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| 19:25.26 | bipul | hary@bipul:/home/lucy$ id |
| 19:25.26 | bipul | uid=1002(hary) gid=1002(hary) groups=1002(hary),1001(lucy) |
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| 19:26.14 | greycat | "rmdir A" should work if A is empty. |
| 19:26.25 | bipul | Lets try. |
| 19:26.45 | haba713 | hi! i copied partition (btrfs) contents to a new (virtual) disk partition (ext4) with cp -a. then i booted vm from debian jessie live-cd, mount /dev/sda /mnt and mount --bind for sys, dev, proc and chroot /mnt. now grub-install /dev/sda fails with an error "attempting to install grub to a disk with multiple partition labels". why? |
| 19:27.15 | haba713 | mount /dev/sda => mount /dev/sda1 |
| 19:27.45 | bipul | How about when directory is full with sub directory or files? |
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| 19:28.47 | greycat | Then you have to remove the contents first. Normally this is what "rm -rf" does. |
| 19:29.10 | pijiu | rm -rf A |
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| 19:29.37 | bipul | It was not working with recursively and forcefully option previously. |
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| 19:29.54 | bipul | let me try again. |
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| 19:30.24 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/791003/ |
| 19:30.26 | greycat | Worked for me. |
| 19:30.30 | pdbogen | Hullo, Debian friends. We maintain a debian package with Release, Packages, etc.; and we've gotten ourselves into a situation somewhere where apt-get *always* thinks the repo's package is newer even though the version is unchanged. |
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| 19:30.40 | pdbogen | Can anyone help me determine what the particular mistake we've made is? |
| 19:30.57 | katronix | hi all, what is the default debian irc client? |
| 19:31.10 | greycat | There isn't a default irc client. |
| 19:31.26 | katronix | Okay what irc client does it come with? :) |
| 19:31.31 | pijiu | katronix, no one |
| 19:31.39 | firztspawn | depends on what de you use |
| 19:31.41 | pdbogen | katronix: As greycat said, no defalut; but pidgin supports IRC if you want IM-like semantics; hexchat is nice if you want mIRC like semantics; or I use irssi, which is console. |
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| 19:32.26 | namni | Could someone maybe point in the right direction? I have Jessie on an encrypted partition with separate boot partition. I made a backup of the boot partition and installed ubuntu also on an encrypted partition. It also formatted the boot partition (I made a backup of this as well). |
| 19:32.27 | katronix | odd, a few weeks ago I was running debian and it came with one that could automatically reply to the nickserv request |
| 19:33.17 | pijiu | katronix, any client could be configured to do whatever you want |
| 19:33.17 | namni | Now I used the debian boot backup - everything is fine. But what is the best way to manage to boot into the encrypted ubuntu? |
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| 19:34.05 | bipul | thanks it clear my doubt. greycat |
| 19:34.20 | pijiu | namni, grub maybe? |
| 19:35.03 | namni | pijiu Well, grub is working fine, but how should I merge those two boot partitons? |
| 19:35.07 | unborn | namni: perhaps better to ask on #ubuntu |
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| 19:36.53 | namni | unborn I respect the work of the ubuntu folks, but according to my experience if something is about deep linux knowledge, better to ask debian users... Which distro is also my starting point btw. |
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| 19:39.04 | lxsameer | hi I'm trying to run debian installer on a new laptop in UFEI mode, but after selecting install it goes to a black screen. what can i do about it ? |
| 19:39.05 | pijiu | namni, i never had to configure dualboot, but just as directions guess u have not to "merge" but somehow configure grub thing; i guess there must be some clearer explanation on some stackoverflow |
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| 19:41.37 | namni | pijiu Yes, thanks for the hints. I read about mounting the other encrypted system, chroot into it and make a grub-update, but it gets messed up because sdaX is different when it is mounted... Going to try to find a good tuto though (not much luck so far)... |
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| 19:42.15 | unborn | namni: sure.. same here.. I was using ubuntu 4 years not while a go and I left it. I mean I had similar issue in past and I had to do something via ubuntu but as it was long time ago I do not remember what Ive been typing into terminal. I aint mean it that you should go there because of ubuntu.. not at all.. what I was saying that perhaps someone there would know :) |
| 19:42.32 | unborn | perhaps I was mistaking.. |
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| 19:42.52 | pijiu | lxsameer, i think your installer-drive was created not in uefi mode thats why |
| 19:43.04 | pijiu | or you are booting it not in uefi |
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| 19:43.37 | pijiu | i remember had some issues with uefi and this is how i fixed it, just to make everything match each other |
| 19:43.39 | namni | unborn Indeed, maybe someone is using encrypted multiboot there... Worth a try, will do it. |
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| 19:44.09 | lxsameer | pijiu, in the first debian menu (where you select install or advance install) it says it is ion uefi |
| 19:44.59 | wewlad | hello debs, how do I check what's the version of wine does the main repo have (if I already have configured to also use another repo and have installed wine-development from there)? |
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| 19:45.36 | `Kevin | wewlad: apt-cache polcy $packagename |
| 19:45.43 | `Kevin | wewlad: apt-cache policy $packagename * |
| 19:45.52 | wewlad | thanks `Kevin! |
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| 19:48.08 | wewlad | as far as I understand main repo has a very-very-very outdated wine version: it's 1.6.2-20 and 1.7.29-4 for wine-development. Even '-development' version is not 1.8.* branch! while there's 1.9.16 already. |
| 19:48.21 | wewlad | why does debian hate wine? |
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| 19:48.59 | missmbob | you can use jessie-backports like greycat said. that has 1.9.16 |
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| 19:49.23 | wewlad | I know and I do so |
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| 19:49.44 | missmbob | so...you ranting about debian hating wine...nevermind |
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| 19:50.46 | wewlad | sorry, that was just a cry out, I just wonder why latest stable version of wine is not pushed to the main debian repo |
| 19:51.07 | pdbogen | wewlad: By "main repo" are you referring to a Stable version of Debian? If so, the answer is that stable releases very rarely update packages except to fix really really bad bugs (i.e., that break the package for everyone) or security issues. |
| 19:51.08 | greycat | !stable |
| 19:51.08 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.5); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 19:51.14 | missmbob | because debian doesn't do that with *any* packages. once stable, it's frozen |
| 19:51.42 | wewlad | oh |
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| 19:51.59 | wewlad | kind of a weird approach, but I guess it should guarantee extra stability |
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| 19:52.16 | pdbogen | It's an extremely useful approach for servers and embedded systems. |
| 19:52.40 | c-c | it is funny how the "current" approach is "we never finish this but keep on patching" |
| 19:52.43 | pdbogen | You can safely run full system "upgrades" to get bug fixes and security fixes without worrying that version 1.2 -> 1.3 of some package changed, say, the way the package is configured and breaking your system in the process. |
| 19:53.00 | wewlad | well, if developers of an end software decided to push newer versions to the stable branch - why not keep up with their decision? |
| 19:53.03 | unborn | namni: any luck? |
| 19:53.27 | pdbogen | wewlad: Because even then they might remove features or change how the package works, which would break an installed system. |
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| 19:53.58 | pdbogen | Whereas Debian Stable tries to give you a system that, once running, will continue running but continue to be secure and have a monotonically decreasing number of bugs. |
| 19:54.01 | wewlad | well, programs do evolve, why get stuck on a version that just works? |
| 19:54.13 | wewlad | hmm |
| 19:54.17 | wewlad | well, maybe you are right |
| 19:54.20 | greycat | Because people who run servers do not want SURPRISES. |
| 19:54.33 | pdbogen | I mean, don't get me wrong; on my laptop and desktop I run Debian unstable. |
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| 19:54.48 | wewlad | people who run servers probably don't rely much on wine, don't they? |
| 19:54.57 | unborn | wewlad: well lets say stability and security |
| 19:55.03 | c-c | wewlad: the thing is, what you mention is only one "idea" about how software lifecycle works. |
| 19:55.11 | wewlad | true |
| 19:55.28 | unborn | very true, wine on server is nonsense |
| 19:55.30 | pdbogen | wewlad: Most likely no, but what about its dependencies? Maybe wine depends on libfoo v1.1, and wine v1.9 depends on 1.2. |
| 19:55.35 | c-c | An engineer might be taught to think: programs must do one thing well, and once they do, they are done. |
| 19:55.42 | pdbogen | wewlad: An dmaybe my SuperImportantService v1.0 depends on libfoo v1.1 and breaks on libfoo v1.2. |
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| 19:56.11 | pdbogen | Which is to say- the dependancy tree can be complex, so trying to freeze some parts and not others is going to make things harder. |
| 19:56.34 | wewlad | pdbogen: I'm pretty newbie to lunix world, is 'dll hell' still a thing? |
| 19:56.35 | pdbogen | As an end-user, the way you indicate that you want newer software rather than server-like stability is to use Debian Testing or Debian Unstable. |
| 19:56.51 | unborn | just install virtualbox with windows, much stable then wine and possibly even more secure |
| 19:57.05 | pdbogen | wewlad: Well, Linux has never had DLLs; but apt-get by and large does away with any concern about that; but it _can_ still be a problem when we talk about hypotheticals like upgrading some software but not other software. |
| 19:57.10 | wewlad | that'd be too meta, unborn |
| 19:58.11 | wewlad | pdbogen: 'dll hell' is probably a term from windoze world, but I guess the problem of dependencies is x-platform |
| 19:58.29 | pdbogen | Yes, it's a general problem. |
| 19:58.38 | pdbogen | But again, by and large apt-get automatically resolves dependencies for you. |
| 19:58.42 | unborn | wewlad: dont know what you mean but last time I've tried playonlinux or and wine was 8 years ago.. it did not worked as it should.. with virtualbox issues were gone. |
| 19:59.12 | pdbogen | unborn: VirtualBox relatively speaking will peform very poorly, have a very long startup time or consume a lot of system resources; and requires a Windows license. |
| 19:59.28 | wewlad | unborn: thing is, for it it would be windows running in virtualbox running in debian running in virtualbox running in windows⦠|
| 19:59.30 | pdbogen | wine works well for me for some situations, but mostly that's for "I need to use this software for one thing real quick," not "I want to use this app full time." |
| 19:59.32 | unborn | 0o what? |
| 19:59.39 | wewlad | for me* |
| 19:59.40 | pdbogen | unborn: So performance and efficiency are important. |
| 20:00.02 | unborn | pdbogen: on my system it runs even faster then normal pc |
| 20:00.22 | unborn | sorry - I do not believe it eats anything heavy. |
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| 20:01.00 | pdbogen | Windows is going to use a couple GiB of RAM all on its own; plus startup overhead simply in terms of time: A windows VM doesn't boot instantaneously; or you run it continuously and dedicate the RAM to it all the time. |
| 20:01.13 | unborn | wewlad: ah.. sorry.. I run it like debian - vitualbox - windows (in virtualbox) |
| 20:02.35 | wewlad | unborn: yeah, I got it. I'm still thinking on moving from windows to some linux once, but for now I haven't reached the minimally required level of comfort with lunix. |
| 20:02.40 | unborn | pdbogen: yeah that is pretty standard... I hardly boot windows in more then 20 seconds.. I think it all depends from your hardware.. |
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| 20:04.13 | wewlad | pdbogen: you can never turn off windows VM so there will be no startup overhead. Putting the VM to sleep and later restoring it - is noticeably faster then loading OS from the power off state. |
| 20:04.18 | unborn | wewlad: I see.. sorry for that than.. I did not see you run windows - virt-debian.. I understand the point now.. well. If current version of wine works fine then I would stay on that particular version coz it was tested with current version of your distro |
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| 20:05.15 | unborn | interesting.. I had no idea I can put virtualbox machine into sleep heh but that would still keep ram and cpu occupied no? |
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| 20:06.21 | pdbogen | No, it writes the RAM image to disk. |
| 20:06.32 | wewlad | what I meant is probably called not sleep, I mean you can pause your VM and it's state gets written to the disk, so it's not eating anything from RAM/CPU at all after that. |
| 20:06.35 | f-a | I would like to install this https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libpng12-0 in testing. Is there a way to do it without risk of present/future breakage? |
| 20:06.41 | unborn | pdbogen: anyway to run windows stuff properly if I need then I would rather give out single core and 4 gigs ram |
| 20:07.35 | wewlad | well, it depends on the task |
| 20:07.35 | greycat | f-a: testing support is in #debian-next on the OFTC network (not here) |
| 20:07.56 | unborn | I was running my dev server from headless virtualbox for about year every time I;ve booted my laptop and would not notice anything perhaps 2 or 3 seconds slower boot. |
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| 20:08.30 | f-a | oh hell I forgot, thanks greycat |
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| 20:09.29 | wewlad | headless virtualbox? |
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| 20:09.49 | unborn | wewlad: ah I see.. well I guess I will stay like usual - without sleep |
| 20:10.06 | unborn | wewlad: yeah.. running it in background |
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| 20:10.43 | wewlad | I wonder how the guest OS behaves in such a case |
| 20:11.08 | wewlad | does it still need any resources that are usually used to draw GUI? |
| 20:11.26 | unborn | basically command which would start virtualbox machine with installed os on background.. nothing on desktop (ssh or web interface of the server) |
| 20:11.27 | wewlad | do you see a debugger's log or something? |
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| 20:12.27 | unborn | wewlad: nothing..until you not start virtualbox gui or anything else.. yeah it will ;eat; your cpu and ram as you assigned to the virtual machine and that is all. |
| 20:12.30 | n-iCe | does lxde run faster than xfce? |
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| 20:13.23 | wewlad | I also wonder can one play AAA games in virtualboxed windows? |
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| 20:13.34 | unborn | wewlad: ah |
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| 20:13.51 | unborn | for games - I would not use virtualbox not for aaa class |
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| 20:14.13 | wewlad | what would you use then? |
| 20:14.20 | nkuttler | native linux games |
| 20:14.28 | unborn | for that you would go for vmware - but that is lot slower and eats much more resources. |
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| 20:14.47 | wewlad | there are no native linux games of AAA tier⦠|
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| 20:15.22 | wewlad | unborn: does vmware have better virtualization than virtualbox? |
| 20:15.29 | unborn | wewlad: sorry man native linux games (when playing with my miss, we just play one - Open Arena) and she have playstation. but I am too old for games.. sorry |
| 20:15.52 | unborn | wewlad: native support for 3d graphics |
| 20:16.05 | wewlad | there is none |
| 20:16.14 | unborn | but its costly and resources hungry otherwhise none |
| 20:16.15 | wewlad | if we are talking about AAA tier |
| 20:16.57 | wewlad | unborn: did you mean that vmware provides native support for 3d graphics? |
| 20:17.44 | wewlad | in windows vbox I see there's even a checkbox to use 3d acceleration, as well as a checkbox to use 2d video acceleration⦠|
| 20:17.47 | unborn | wewlad: I mean for games its better yeah go for it...its expensive, you will need better hardware and its more complicated to setup, I mean more complex |
| 20:18.43 | wewlad | oh, got it, thanks, pal |
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| 20:20.19 | unborn | wewlad: I think you can test vmware too, if I remember they do trial, perhaps not any more.. I have no idea..but you can defo ask them directly. I know for the fact in my old job, one of sys was playing hardcore games on linux via vmware on windows coz virtuabox simply did not worked.. but if you want to use aplications like photoshop or ia and other for work, sure virtualbox will work just fine |
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| 20:21.38 | wewlad | unborn: for now I still haven't switched my main OS from windows, so I can't really test. |
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| 20:21.51 | unborn | on wine - it could work too, but as I said I aint used that 'thing' even properly and last time I tried to get it working was 7 or 8 years ago. That is why I suggested virtualisation. But if you run windows and debian in virtual, just use native windows os for your windows needs no? |
| 20:22.44 | unborn | wewlad: you can test it on mac or even on windows |
| 20:22.49 | unborn | I think |
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| 20:24.59 | rly | wewlad: if you want native performance configure a hypervisor like xen. |
| 20:25.01 | wewlad | unborn: I'm using windows 7 and it's being destroyed by microsoft to the point I had to turn off winupdate because it was causing more harm than good. Updating to newer windows is not really a good option for me, because newer windows have some unacceptable issues as well. So I'm stuck with an un-updateable OS that gets outdated more and more as time goes. |
| 20:25.22 | rly | wewlad: that does require a lot of technical skill and patience. |
| 20:25.44 | rly | wewlad: there are people who run MacOSX, Windows, and whatever open-source system on one system. |
| 20:25.50 | unborn | wewlad: well that windows update is no longer out for free.. or is it still? |
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| 20:26.14 | wewlad | unborn: I don't know, I always was a pirate, yarr :( |
| 20:26.25 | unborn | wewlad: oh |
| 20:26.48 | Rebelnet | word |
| 20:27.23 | wewlad | generally, winupdate works, but I had to shut it off because they started pushing telemetry gatherers (read spyware) more and more aggressively |
| 20:27.23 | Rebelnet | Anyone would recommend a debian ready laptop? |
| 20:27.30 | unborn | I have master key for windows 7 pro so I can install it as many times I want but - didnt your pc came with windows sticker on bottom of the pc? |
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| 20:28.03 | unborn | you can use that win key and isntall same version of windows legally.. man never do pirated things, its bad |
| 20:28.17 | wewlad | also, the quality of their software is so poor that winupdate service could just hang eating 100% of 1 of your logical CPUs for indefinite time. That's not acceptable. |
| 20:28.37 | unborn | Rebelnet: im on jessie gnome 64bit, netinstall worked as dream |
| 20:28.45 | unborn | I mean works like a dream |
| 20:28.54 | wewlad | I can't concur. |
| 20:29.11 | Rebelnet | did you netinstall from a usb flash drive |
| 20:29.21 | Rebelnet | its 300 MBs right? |
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| 20:29.39 | unborn | wewlad: that could be your pirated thing inside of the os.. you never know what nasty stuff you can have there unless you not cracked the code by your self. |
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| 20:30.19 | unborn | Rebelnet: something like that.. Ive done it via cd (external one as I use my internal dvd room for second hdd) |
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| 20:30.38 | wewlad | unborn: no, I'm tech savvy in windoze world - that happens for many people. Also, the crack works so that the pirated windoze is indistinguishable from a legal one. |
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| 20:31.36 | unborn | wewlad: still means you dont know what was cracked and how it was cracked plus what was added on top of it. |
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| 20:32.00 | wewlad | to some point |
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| 20:32.08 | Rebelnet | if i were to install the internet installation from a usb flash drive. how would i do it? do i need to hit F3 button upon the BIOS? |
| 20:32.15 | unborn | wewlad: no issues on windows 7 here (bot on physical and virtual machine) and the idiotic windows 10 update is gone :) |
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| 20:32.25 | unborn | icon |
| 20:33.27 | unborn | Rebelnet: you will need to create first bootable usb with debian image and then depends from your pc but usually its esc, or f2 but could be f10 or f11 or f12 |
| 20:33.44 | wewlad | it doesn't happen for all, it also depends on a lot of stuff, especially uptime: my machine's uptime usually reaches months. |
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| 20:35.40 | minimalism | How do you properly eval/source a .dircolors file on Debian? The way I usually do it in my .zshrc isn't working: eval $(dircolors -b $HOME/.dircolors) |
| 20:36.11 | wewlad | I don't have such file :( |
| 20:36.32 | greycat | I don't either. If you run "dircolors -b $HOME/.dircolors" and read the output, does it look like well-formed shell commands? |
| 20:36.34 | unborn | wewlad: months on windows? uhm, I would suggest at least daily reboot - when I was on windows xp before many years back it was unusable after week uptime meh perhaps that was changed on windows 7 but I only boot it up, do my things on adobe cs5 and then just shoot it down.. |
| 20:36.42 | Rebelnet | i'm a little confuse how to install debian. i saw the torrent files. its like 3 different DVDs? |
| 20:36.59 | greycat | Rebelnet: all you need is one netinst image, smaller than a CD, as long as you have a network connection while installing. |
| 20:37.02 | unborn | Rebelnet: netinstall |
| 20:37.04 | rly | Rebelnet: that's only useful if you are not well connected. |
| 20:37.14 | Rebelnet | oh |
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| 20:37.22 | Rebelnet | how many Mbs or gigs is that? |
| 20:37.29 | unborn | 280mb? |
| 20:37.36 | rly | Rebelnet: if you have more than 5mbit, definitely do the netinstall. |
| 20:37.38 | unborn | I guess |
| 20:37.41 | Rebelnet | my main internet is community wifi |
| 20:37.49 | pstn | Can somebody tell me whether restarting logind has any negative effects on active nfs exports? |
| 20:37.51 | wewlad | unborn: win7 used to be that stable that it could run for months just fine. Even winupdates' nagscreen could be pretty safely ignored/disabled. |
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| 20:38.01 | Rebelnet | thanks |
| 20:38.07 | unborn | Rebelnet: 32bit or 64bit? |
| 20:38.18 | Rebelnet | 64bit |
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| 20:38.27 | unborn | hold on |
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| 20:38.49 | unborn | Rebelnet: do you have access to ethernet ? I mean cable connection ? |
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| 20:39.24 | Rebelnet | no i don't |
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| 20:40.32 | Rebelnet | i'm thinking of getting the Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition, that has Ubuntu 14.04 LTS preinstalled, but i'm thinking of wiping it and install Debian Jessie on it. |
| 20:40.33 | unborn | Rebelnet: I see.. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 20:40.47 | wewlad | doesn't 'adduser <user> sudo' add the user <user> to sudoers group? |
| 20:40.53 | greycat | pstn: what is "logind"? |
| 20:41.09 | Rebelnet | amd64? wouldn't i need i386? |
| 20:41.12 | Rebelnet | for intel |
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| 20:41.35 | unborn | that should have all wifi drivers |
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| 20:42.05 | greycat | The only logind I see is systemd-logind and I do not believe that has anything to do with NFS. |
| 20:42.20 | Rebelnet | ohh |
| 20:42.23 | unborn | i386 is 32bit which would only see more ram.. like pea.. if you have 64bit cpu, I would go with 64 bit system :) |
| 20:42.41 | daio | pae |
| 20:42.43 | wewlad | man says it does so and the message "adding user '<user>' to group 'sudo'" probably means the same, but when I 'sudo apt-get update' and then enter my user's password - I'm getting a message that <user> is not in the sudoers file and that this incident will be reported. Why so? |
| 20:42.43 | Rebelnet | ohhh |
| 20:42.45 | daio | but PAE is evil |
| 20:42.47 | unborn | Rebelnet: I have dell too |
| 20:42.53 | Rebelnet | which dell? |
| 20:42.56 | daio | and should be avoided at all costs |
| 20:42.59 | unborn | sorry pae not pea :) |
| 20:43.11 | unborn | Rebelnet: one second |
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| 20:43.20 | unborn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.20 | unborn | Uptime: 1h 25m 12s ** |
| 20:43.26 | rly | daio: it works, doesn't it? |
| 20:43.34 | daio | rly, only for drivers that are written for it |
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| 20:43.45 | daio | and devices capable of understanding the extended addresses |
| 20:43.49 | rly | daio: and when did kernel drivers allocate so much memory? |
| 20:43.50 | daio | it also adds overhead |
| 20:43.54 | daio | therefor saturating memory bandwidth |
| 20:44.04 | Rebelnet | is that the same Dell XPS 13? |
| 20:44.13 | unborn | Rebelnet: crap It did not say model.. its older laptop latitude 5440 |
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| 20:44.19 | Rebelnet | ohhh ic |
| 20:44.30 | unborn | Rebelnet: no its not but if ubuntu works debian should do too |
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| 20:45.17 | wewlad | 'sudo usermod -a -G sudo myuser' also didn't give positive results |
| 20:45.18 | Rebelnet | I have personally never installed Debian before. I have installed Ubuntu many times before. and also year 2001 Red hat and Suse Professional. but I couldn't get the Red Hat and Suse drivers internet to work |
| 20:45.19 | unborn | Rebelnet: netinstall would be fastest over cable connection |
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| 20:46.30 | unborn | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso have drivers in...however during installation wifi may not work.. so cable connection is suggested |
| 20:46.50 | Rebelnet | how many mbs or gigs is it? |
| 20:47.28 | unborn | wewlad: pretty stable on my end however I do not use it so often.. perhaps once in 3 months? |
| 20:47.37 | missmbob | Rebelnet: you could...you know...open up the dir and see for yourself how big it is... |
| 20:47.38 | greycat | !netinst |
| 20:47.38 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 20:47.43 | greycat | clicky clicky |
| 20:47.54 | unborn | Rebelnet: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ down in bottom |
| 20:47.56 | wewlad | weird |
| 20:47.58 | unborn | 266M |
| 20:48.00 | greycat | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent clicky clicky |
| 20:48.12 | wewlad | I had to manually modify '/etc/sudoers' to make myself sudoer. |
| 20:48.12 | ScottE | wewlad: did you log out and back in again to pick up the group change? |
| 20:48.16 | Rebelnet | 266mb |
| 20:48.22 | wewlad | ScottE: ah, damn it |
| 20:48.25 | greycat | wget --spider -S says it's ... crap, that's a .torrent |
| 20:48.31 | wewlad | ScottE: no, wait, hold on |
| 20:48.35 | greycat | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso clicky clicky |
| 20:48.46 | greycat | wget --spider -S says it's 247 MB |
| 20:48.54 | wewlad | ScottE: I su'ed first to run those commands, then I exit'ed, so I guess I did. |
| 20:49.07 | greycat | (Now why did we have to do that FOR you?) |
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| 20:49.50 | unborn | greycat: (good question) |
| 20:49.58 | KingKezz | Hey world |
| 20:50.19 | Rebelnet | so i would download that netinstall, and dd command it on a usb flash drive, and load it upon BIOS? |
| 20:50.46 | wewlad | Rebelnet: yup |
| 20:50.48 | crash_ | yeah |
| 20:50.56 | Rebelnet | thats how i used to do it on ubuntu |
| 20:51.11 | wewlad | that's how you do it with any distro |
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| 20:52.32 | Rebelnet | so, i kind of dumbed down to a chromebook for many years. actually Google gave me the prototype chromebook. so i was stuck onto it. i kind of forgot, how to look up the sda |
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| 20:53.01 | greycat | dmesg | tail |
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| 20:53.53 | Rebelnet | oh, i think i used.... |
| 20:53.54 | Rebelnet | lsusb |
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| 20:54.14 | wewlad | greycat: why does it work? how does it know the number of lines to show? |
| 20:54.35 | greycat | man tail |
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| 20:54.55 | wewlad | I do now and I don't see any details about that. |
| 20:55.06 | wewlad | ah, damn it |
| 20:55.11 | wewlad | default lines is 10 |
| 20:55.37 | wewlad | sorry, sometimes I fail at reading. |
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| 20:56.18 | Rebelnet | just curious, why do you guys use Debian and not others like Mint and Ubuntu? |
| 20:56.45 | unborn | Rebelnet: dont you want the best? |
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| 20:57.11 | Rebelnet | of course |
| 20:57.13 | `Kevin | Ubuntu heh :P |
| 20:57.23 | missmbob | !tell Rebelnet -about why debian |
| 20:57.24 | Strykar | Rebelnet, most ppl using debian are in it for the stability, not the latest and the greatest |
| 20:57.29 | wewlad | Rebelnet: cause they are too mainstream and I'm a deviant. |
| 20:57.42 | Strykar | I almost read that as devuan *snicker* |
| 20:57.57 | unborn | Rebelnet: or better ask your self why you want to go out from ubuntu? :) |
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| 20:58.15 | wewlad | the answer is usually 'curiosity' |
| 20:58.18 | NewDebianUser | Hello |
| 20:58.25 | wewlad | especially when you migrate from lunix to lunix |
| 20:58.29 | NewDebianUser | I'm a new Debian user. |
| 20:58.30 | Rebelnet | Well, I was watching Mr. Robot. They use Debian |
| 20:58.44 | Rebelnet | the show kind of influnced me |
| 20:58.46 | unborn | :D |
| 20:58.50 | `Kevin | blinks |
| 20:58.57 | Strykar | always pick a distro off tv, you can never go wrong |
| 20:58.59 | NewDebianUser | But I have no wifi, says I need something called iwlwifi |
| 20:58.59 | wewlad | lame show and an even lamer reasoning. |
| 20:59.09 | unborn | Rebelnet: that is great series.. |
| 20:59.14 | AimHere | Clearly SPI's product placement dollars were put to good use |
| 20:59.15 | greycat | Not a lame show, and they used Kali Linux a couple weeks ago. |
| 20:59.34 | Strykar | greycat, I heard S2 isn |
| 20:59.37 | Strykar | isn't |
| 21:00.26 | Rebelnet | Ubuntu looks like a noobie, kid friendly distro. and it is trying to become like Apple. Trying to merge all their OS into all different plantforms. like smartphones, laptops, tablets |
| 21:00.29 | axc1298 | NewDebianUser: you need to run sudo apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 21:00.42 | wewlad | Rebelnet: that's a good thing. |
| 21:00.48 | axc1298 | while connected to the internet. |
| 21:01.01 | axc1298 | or download it from another computer using sudo apt-get download firmware-iwlwifi |
| 21:01.07 | NewDebianUser | axc1298: yeah, but I think my sources.list are incomplete, since I cannot even install irssi |
| 21:01.20 | axc1298 | NewDebianUser: paste your sources.list to paste.debian.net |
| 21:01.37 | wewlad | homogenous ecosystem is better than fragmented system like android is. |
| 21:01.41 | unborn | Rebelnet: i was on debian 5, gentoo, pclinuxos, solusos, ubuntu 6 and from 12 to 14, chanchbang and finally I landed on debian (on desktops).. never looked back..have everything stable without single issues.. on servers I run debian past 7 years and cannot say anything bad only top things.. so that is my why. trust and stability |
| 21:02.11 | NewDebianUser | I just generated these axc1298 http://paste.debian.net/791008/ |
| 21:02.17 | wewlad | stability is the choice of businessmen and old farts :D |
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| 21:02.39 | wewlad | (no offense implied) |
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| 21:03.05 | Rebelnet | Ubuntu was cool back than. before Unity |
| 21:03.36 | visualshock | I just installed debian 8 on an old laptop, and I can't find my wireless network. I do find others, but not mine. Suggestions? |
| 21:03.38 | axc1298 | NewDebianUser: did you run sudo apt-get update? does it give any errors? |
| 21:04.01 | unborn | NewDebianUser: hey chap |
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| 21:04.15 | NewDebianUser | unborn: hi |
| 21:04.20 | unborn | NewDebianUser: you said iwlwifi? |
| 21:04.21 | NewDebianUser | axc1298: after added those, is working. |
| 21:04.28 | NewDebianUser | unborn: yeah, maked it work :D |
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| 21:04.36 | NewDebianUser | First time in Debian here |
| 21:05.11 | unborn | NewDebianUser: download this to your desktop http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi_0.43_all.deb run it - double click and select install with gdebi.. after installation reboot your machine and once you log in you should have wifi |
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| 21:05.49 | unborn | NewDebianUser: or right mouse button click and select install with gdebi |
| 21:06.00 | wewlad | why not add a proper repo for that package? |
| 21:06.17 | axc1298 | he already has the proper repo. he said he fixed the issue |
| 21:06.32 | wewlad | unborn: will it get updates if it is installed from a .deb file? |
| 21:06.45 | unborn | wewlad: op asked something else and clearly its easier then edit repos (for op) |
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| 21:06.57 | TomTomTo1 | wewlad: nope |
| 21:07.06 | wewlad | easier, but less correct |
| 21:07.10 | wewlad | imo |
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| 21:08.19 | wewlad | how complex is it to add a line to the '/etc/apt/sources.list' file? |
| 21:08.30 | unborn | wewlad: he wanted make it wifi worked and this is easiest way to get him going.. |
| 21:08.48 | wewlad | alright |
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| 21:09.05 | c-c | wewlad: its not complex at all |
| 21:09.18 | c-c | wewlad: you can also use synaptic to help you to it |
| 21:09.33 | unborn | wewlad: not adding a line.. its adding to few lines.. then user would have to reload and install package.. he can do that a bit later perhaps he dont want have *free repos at all.. I dont know, he did not asked for it |
| 21:09.38 | wewlad | nah, screw extra software, bare minimum is the best choice :) |
| 21:09.45 | unborn | - if I was wrong then sorry meh |
| 21:10.17 | wewlad | it's just that he'll miss updates if he installs from the *.deb file |
| 21:10.58 | wewlad | though, if he came to debian - he better get used to not getting fresh software when old versions work ;) |
| 21:11.32 | c-c | unless using debian testing |
| 21:11.44 | Strykar | yea, always a good idea to push a new user to -testing |
| 21:11.53 | unborn | yeah.. drivers are usually changed with newer version of os aka 7 - 8 etc.. but perhaps not |
| 21:11.55 | c-c | you *can* live on the bleeding edge with debian if you want to |
| 21:12.36 | Rebelnet | oh, So ubuntu has all the default ports closed. so its supposedly secure. Is debian like that? do i need to install some firewall software or configure the iptables? |
| 21:13.04 | c-c | Rebelnet: by default, I think iptables is included |
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| 21:13.26 | missmbob | Rebelnet: that's a common misunderstanding. a port is only opened if you run something that uses it. nothing's using it, it's closed. you don't need a firewall for that. |
| 21:13.36 | axc1298 | anyone know why i might have suddenly lost the ability to adjust keyboard backlight in debian? it always worked using the keyboard brightness physical buttons, but just stopped, maybe after a point release |
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| 21:13.53 | Rebelnet | ah |
| 21:13.57 | c-c | Rebelnet: The default Debian installation comes with the program iptables(8), configured to allow all traffic |
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| 21:15.04 | c-c | Rebelnet: also, maybe you wanted to look into programs ufw and gufw |
| 21:15.26 | Rebelnet | I did play around with ufw. i enabled it, but it blocked everything, it seems like its a learning curvy |
| 21:15.32 | axc1298 | Rebelnet: you want to run this command: sudo ufw enable default |
| 21:15.48 | axc1298 | this blocks incoming and allows outgoing |
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| 21:16.21 | c-c | Rebelnet: ufw is easy, but do your homework with it |
| 21:16.41 | Rebelnet | ah, i did used gufw, i just enable it and thats it. |
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| 21:18.03 | wewlad | is there a way to use tar so that I don't need to specify -z, -j, -J or other keys that are used to define the archive type? can't tar just guess from the file's name? |
| 21:18.10 | wewlad | (when possible) |
| 21:18.18 | Rebelnet | in the past when i was running Windows 98 with mIRC, I got an attack. i believe it might be a DDOS attack. It had 50 or so PMs, and it made a beeping sound. my computer desktop was broken. it wouldn't work anymore |
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| 21:19.12 | DammitJim | is there a particular way to run a python script as a service? |
| 21:19.26 | DammitJim | I've been reading that this is mostly done with a cron job? |
| 21:20.08 | c-c | DammitJim: a service has a certain runlevel afaics |
| 21:20.14 | c-c | DammitJim: $ man service |
| 21:20.35 | wewlad | DammitJim: or google. I've found http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16420092/how-to-make-python-script-run-as-service and http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13953268/daemonizing-a-python-script-in-debian |
| 21:20.41 | DammitJim | I've done java service wrappers in the past |
| 21:20.46 | DammitJim | but I don't know about python |
| 21:20.55 | c-c | hm, that man might not be the best starting point... |
| 21:20.57 | Rebelnet | anyone knows about this kind of attack? |
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| 21:21.13 | wewlad | Rebelnet: yes |
| 21:21.21 | Rebelnet | whats it called? |
| 21:21.38 | wewlad | not enough data |
| 21:21.43 | wewlad | to get the right answer |
| 21:21.48 | jhutchins | Rebelnet: Linux has a different networking model than Windows. Ports aren't arbitrarily open, you need to install a software package and configure it to listen to a port and set it up to run. |
| 21:22.13 | Rebelnet | hmm |
| 21:22.14 | jhutchins | Rebelnet: A reasonably attentive user can see what's running at all times, and can see what ports have connections. |
| 21:22.22 | DammitJim | I don't understand why some people think that a service means that if it dies, it will auto-recover LOL |
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| 21:23.12 | missmbob | DammitJim: because windows does that. default retry 3x. change to infinite if you want |
| 21:23.14 | jhutchins | Running as a service is largely a Windows concept. |
| 21:23.20 | Rebelnet | wewlad, is there a website i would read about it? |
| 21:23.24 | wewlad | DammitJim: because windows is very popular and in windows they get restarted. |
| 21:23.29 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Are you thinking of running as a daemon with root privileges? |
| 21:23.35 | wewlad | Rebelnet: I don't know, ask google. |
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| 21:23.50 | Rebelnet | wewlad, i'm not sure what to ask it |
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| 21:24.06 | wewlad | Rebelnet: mirc attack win98 |
| 21:24.07 | DammitJim | jhutchins, as a daemon... doesn't have to have root |
| 21:24.14 | DammitJim | I'm actually just trying to help a developer |
| 21:24.15 | wewlad | Rebelnet: why do you need that? |
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| 21:24.51 | wewlad | for the sake of knowing? well, that fact would be useless, no one uses win98 nowadays, the breach could be anywhere. |
| 21:24.55 | Rebelnet | hmm, i guess it was a nuke or an exploit on a mIRC script |
| 21:25.07 | DammitJim | jhutchins, have you done such a crazy thing? |
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| 21:25.17 | DammitJim | damn windows... piece of crap bandaiding everything |
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| 21:25.22 | Rebelnet | well, the computer i had, wouldn't work anymore. it was scary |
| 21:26.30 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Actually, I've configured a program to run as a Windows program to run as a service, but I don't remember doing it in Linux. |
| 21:26.32 | wewlad | Rebelnet: okay. Are you experiencing a panic attack from remembering something from the distant past? |
| 21:26.33 | Rebelnet | i always think it might happen on a linux machine |
| 21:27.08 | DammitJim | ok, let's not talk about that jhutchins |
| 21:27.09 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 21:27.25 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Basically, you have to background it either with bash or it's on mechanism, the write an init script or systemd service to start it as root. |
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| 21:28.06 | jhutchins | DammitJim: I think one of the features of systemd is that it can detect a dead service and re-launch it. |
| 21:28.17 | wewlad | Rebelnet: it might, but the chances are pretty low. |
| 21:28.18 | DammitJim | oh gosh |
| 21:28.26 | DammitJim | so, there is an option to re-vive it? |
| 21:28.33 | jhutchins | ... and there's that term, service, being used now by systemd, so people will confuse the process with Windows even more. |
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| 21:28.51 | DammitJim | ugh |
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| 21:29.13 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Well, re-run the service startup script. Depends on why it failed of course, but Java at least does tend to die arbitrarily. |
| 21:29.17 | Rebelnet | can a netbook running debian deviant survive a 500 computer DDOS attack? |
| 21:29.36 | wewlad | it can |
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| 21:29.57 | jhutchins | Rebelnet: Inadequate data. Depends on attack, on network, on netbook specs, firewall configuration, system configuration. |
| 21:30.14 | jhutchins | I'm headed home, l8r. |
| 21:30.27 | wewlad | it also can die from just 1. Or from an exploit. |
| 21:30.35 | Rebelnet | hmm |
| 21:30.59 | DammitJim | so confusing about the user that should run this |
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| 21:31.07 | DammitJim | I had the dev place the python script on /usr/local/bin |
| 21:31.39 | pingfloyd | DammitJim: that's fine |
| 21:32.02 | DammitJim | actually |
| 21:32.10 | DammitJim | he placed them on /usr/local/<company_name> |
| 21:32.14 | Rebelnet | i guess it is secure. it would take a genius to find some kernel panic exploits |
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| 21:32.45 | wewlad | ~yeah |
| 21:32.45 | apt | http://churchturing.org/x/yeah.mp3 |
| 21:32.49 | wewlad | woah |
| 21:32.51 | wewlad | what's that |
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| 21:33.09 | wewlad | jeezus, that scared my cat to shit! |
| 21:33.12 | DammitJim | alright, I have to run |
| 21:33.19 | DammitJim | thanks! |
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| 21:35.46 | wewlad | can I download files from github repos using wget? |
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| 21:37.53 | pingfloyd | wewlad: probably, but it is easier to use git for that |
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| 21:38.20 | wewlad | well then, it's time to give another try to learn git⦠|
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| 21:38.47 | pingfloyd | wewlad: on the github there should be a git link you can do: git pull <uri> |
| 21:38.56 | wewlad | yeah, there is |
| 21:39.01 | wewlad | I just didn't want to use git |
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| 21:39.10 | pingfloyd | correction: git clone |
| 21:39.23 | pingfloyd | first time you pull it is git clone, then you would use git pull to update |
| 21:39.51 | pingfloyd | just those two commands cover what wget would |
| 21:40.12 | pingfloyd | then it's icing on the cake from there |
| 21:40.29 | wewlad | nah, then the fun just begins⦠|
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| 21:42.27 | pingfloyd | to get the uri for git it's the button "clone or download" on github |
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| 21:43.10 | wewlad | I did clone the repo, thanks, now I'm stuck on the next step from the wine manual about patching, and guys on #winehq keep silent⦠|
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| 21:43.48 | wewlad | https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian that manual under 'Building a Source Package' section says to 'Download or clone the packaging git repo and execute the following line: ./generate.py --skip-name --out wine-VERSION_source_dir DISTRO' |
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| 21:44.21 | wewlad | do I need to specify anything instead of 'VERSION'? |
| 21:44.27 | pingfloyd | I think that means replace the last arg with where you have the wine source tree |
| 21:44.28 | wewlad | wine version like 1.9.16? |
| 21:44.49 | Rebelnet | so i have a chromebook, i installed Ubuntu. but when i push CRTL+ALT+back arrow (which is F1 in the keyboard) it only stayed onto ubuntu screen for about 5 seconds but it went back to Chrome OS, i guess its a bug or not compatible. would debian work better? |
| 21:45.09 | wewlad | pingfloyd: doesn't look so: they say 'DISTRO can be one of the following values: debian-wheezy-development, debian-wheezy-staging, â¦' |
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| 21:45.19 | wewlad | staging? the hell is that? |
| 21:45.27 | pingfloyd | wewlad: the wine-VERSION_source_dir probably means the directory where you have the wine source at |
| 21:45.34 | wewlad | wheezy/jizzy? wut? I have debian 8.5 |
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| 21:45.50 | pingfloyd | 8.5 is jessie |
| 21:45.58 | wewlad | staging? |
| 21:46.12 | awal1 | Any alternative for 'popbugs' (which doesn't require popularity-contest)? |
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| 21:46.20 | pingfloyd | I don't know what they expect for DISTRO |
| 21:46.20 | Rebelnet | i'm not sure how to install it on a chromebook running ARM processors |
| 21:46.20 | wewlad | there's no -release or -stable option, so I'm confused. |
| 21:46.47 | pingfloyd | wewlad: where did you read those instructions from? |
| 21:46.59 | wewlad | https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian |
| 21:47.14 | wewlad | I mean I'm using a release version of debian distro |
| 21:47.27 | wewlad | and their list doesn't have neither -release, nor -stable |
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| 21:48.11 | wewlad | there's only -staging and -development. I guess if I'd use -development - I'd know, but -staging is a catchy word, I don't get it. |
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| 21:49.56 | Rebelnet | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/C201 |
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| 21:50.12 | Rebelnet | is there an easier way to install debian on a chromebook? |
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| 21:51.25 | wewlad | Don't look for easier ways |
| 21:51.40 | awal1 | what is 'debbugs' pkg exactly if any one uses it? description isn't clean/exhaustive |
| 21:51.51 | awal1 | clear ^ |
| 21:51.57 | wewlad | if something's on debian.wiki and the material is pretty fresh - just follow the instructions |
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| 21:52.52 | pingfloyd | wewlad: yeah, I'm not sure what they mean by development and staging there |
| 21:53.03 | n111cky | does debian still have plans to eventually support ubuntu-style ppa's via something like apt-add-repository? |
| 21:53.21 | Rebelnet | egh, i compiled by source before. i hated it. i like stuff that just is precompiled or just double click on it and it just installs |
| 21:53.40 | wewlad | Rebelnet: stay on ubuntu then. |
| 21:53.56 | awal1 | n111cky, I dont think such thing will happen in debian |
| 21:53.58 | pingfloyd | wewlad: actually I think I get it now |
| 21:53.58 | Rebelnet | is it that different? |
| 21:54.10 | pingfloyd | wewlad: look at line 188 onward https://github.com/wine-compholio/wine-packaging/blob/master/generate.py |
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| 21:54.49 | wewlad | pingfloyd: ohwow, why couldn't they list -stable? |
| 21:54.55 | pingfloyd | wewlad: I think the stable, development, and staging refers to build options for compiling wine itself |
| 21:55.17 | wewlad | hmm |
| 21:55.33 | pingfloyd | look at line 41 to 79 |
| 21:55.42 | wewlad | pingfloyd: doesn't look so, take a look at lines 224-241 |
| 21:56.19 | wewlad | or maybe you are right |
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| 21:56.49 | n111cky | awal1: only ask because https://www.debian.org/vote/2015/platforms/neilm |
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| 21:56.52 | c-c | n111cky: debian already has that |
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| 21:57.07 | pingfloyd | wewlad: so it depends which version of wine you want |
| 21:57.17 | c-c | You can *already* add *any* software repository as a source for *your* debian system. |
| 21:57.19 | pingfloyd | which version of wine you want to build |
| 21:57.24 | Amirr | hi |
| 21:57.41 | n111cky | c-c: I know you can get them to work through sources.list.d and so on but see my link, he was pushing for proper ppa support through the same ubuntu interfaces |
| 21:57.48 | pingfloyd | wewlad: I would just go with debian-jessie-stable to start off with |
| 21:57.58 | c-c | n111cky: I don't understand what you are saying there |
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| 21:58.32 | n111cky | c-c: "I will push for implementation of "PPA" archives, and modernising our build and infrastructure system" -- current Debian project lead, 2015. |
| 21:58.33 | pingfloyd | wewlad: if you find out you need a newer version of wine, then you could always rebuild with *-development version |
| 21:58.45 | c-c | n111cky: but regardless, anyone can make a repository for a debian release, and anyone can add it as a source to their debian install. |
| 21:58.58 | n111cky | er, no longer current lead i guess |
| 21:59.20 | c-c | well, I don't see whats so special about "PPA" |
| 21:59.22 | wewlad | pingfloyd: I need wine-development 1.9.16 |
| 21:59.26 | n111cky | c-c: that's so obviously not what I'm talking about,. |
| 21:59.46 | missmbob | n111cky: you know debian has add-apt-repository, right? it's in software-properties-common package |
| 22:00.06 | c-c | n111cky: I agree, but you miss the point. The point is there is no need for ubuntu-like PPA system. IMHO. |
| 22:00.39 | n111cky | c-c: yeah I'll agree with you on that. |
| 22:00.42 | wewlad | pingfloyd: hold on, a guy from #winehq says I don't have to build a full package just to test a patch |
| 22:01.13 | n111cky | missmbob: I didn't know that. But I'm sure there are still kinks with using ubuntu PPA's due to translation between release names |
| 22:02.11 | missmbob | n111cky: also https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA |
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| 22:02.34 | c-c | n111cky: have you looked at https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| 22:02.40 | n111cky | I just find that coming from other linux distributions like arch linux or gentoo or ubuntu, getting certain software suites to work is a bit more of a pain, and they're never going to be packaged either. |
| 22:02.55 | c-c | me, I just make .debs |
| 22:03.34 | n111cky | missmbob: yeah, that's what I use currently for android studio. It's simple enough. I was just curious about plans going forward, because I had read that link from above about the project lead pushing for ppa's as a supported thing in debian |
| 22:03.41 | c-c | n111cky: sorry, thats a bit vague, what do you mean, exactly? Making many debs from a "suite"(?) |
| 22:04.11 | c-c | or, make style install? |
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| 22:04.45 | pingfloyd | wewlad: yeah, probably should just run from the source tree since you're testing things out (i.e., build but don't install). |
| 22:04.55 | n111cky | c-c: both, but doing it while working with others. |
| 22:05.32 | n111cky | the AUR and ubuntu's PPA system tends to make things a lot simpler to go from zero to installed for experimental or will-not-package software |
| 22:06.14 | n111cky | I think most people running oracle java on ubuntu are doing it via a PPA. And there are certainly security concerns within trusting some random person to do that for you. |
| 22:06.39 | c-c | n111cky: so, do you think making .debs for debian is difficult? |
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| 22:06.47 | c-c | n111cky: or, using thos debs? |
| 22:06.56 | c-c | See why I have no idea what are you talking about? :) |
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| 22:07.42 | n111cky | I think making debs is relatively difficult compared to other distributions |
| 22:07.47 | pingfloyd | wewlad: that's what I do most of the time with stuff I download from upstream and compile. I compile it, then symlink their binaries to ~/bin. Especially stuff I'm pulling from git repos often. |
| 22:07.48 | n111cky | using them is stupidly simple |
| 22:08.46 | wewlad | pingfloyd: I'm pretty new to all that, I don't really understand what to do. I have just a patch as a .diff file. The project is wine. wine-development. How to test a patch? |
| 22:08.56 | c-c | n111cky: I don't see how making debs for ubuntu would be easier... |
| 22:08.58 | pingfloyd | wewlad: I usually only worry about making a package for stuff I need installed system-wide |
| 22:09.16 | wewlad | I guess I don't need that |
| 22:09.19 | pingfloyd | wewlad: then this is a learning experience |
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| 22:09.37 | pingfloyd | wewlad: this stuff gets easier after you've done it for awhile |
| 22:09.42 | n111cky | c-c: it's not that dpkg is particularly difficult to work around compared to other distributions. I actually find it easier than arch pkgbuilds, for example. It's just that there isn't a great way to search around and find work that others have done to package random software |
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| 22:10.06 | c-c | n111cky: so, the problem is people don't set up debian repos? |
| 22:10.15 | c-c | thinks we are getting there |
| 22:10.36 | wewlad | pingfloyd: could you guide me a bit? |
| 22:10.46 | wewlad | what do I need to do to test a suggested patch? |
| 22:10.57 | pingfloyd | wewlad: I've never compiled wine, but I can probably give you some good general advice |
| 22:11.13 | n111cky | No. You're imaging a wonderful and ficticious world where federated online communities have ever worked. |
| 22:11.32 | n111cky | a centralized repository like launchpad or the aur for build scripts makes things easier. |
| 22:11.56 | n111cky | debian is able to survive in spite of this because it has an amazing community. But the point still stands. |
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| 22:12.28 | n111cky | imagine a novice user just installed linux and wants to run android studio |
| 22:12.34 | pingfloyd | wewlad: which patch? |
| 22:12.37 | c-c | is not imagining anything, and doesn't pretend to know why debian survives or works |
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| 22:12.52 | c-c | n111cky: they would make install it, so what |
| 22:13.06 | wewlad | pingfloyd: https://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=54402&action=diff |
| 22:13.15 | n111cky | sidestepping their package manager in the process |
| 22:13.53 | c-c | so? if you are not willing to learn your OS/distro/pm, thats what you will do |
| 22:14.18 | c-c | n111cky: sorry but imho you failed to unearth a problem, and ended up whining at me |
| 22:14.44 | pingfloyd | wewlad: https://wiki.winehq.org/Patching |
| 22:14.53 | n111cky | c-c: don't get confused. I came in here to ask a question about a statement made by the former debian project lead, you're the one who baited me into a debate about package management. |
| 22:14.57 | c-c | debian has offered means to create repos for your packages long ago |
| 22:15.17 | awal1 | n111cky, I trust the DDs & maintaners, and I feel reasonably secure running debian; I won't run any third party stuff not "official". That's why I said "that will not happen in debian", meaning that stuff similar to aur/ppas will probably not be officially recommended/supported. |
| 22:15.29 | c-c | perhaps ubuntu and PPAs offer something more, but thats not evident from your comments, and its not my 'imagination' |
| 22:15.34 | wewlad | pingfloyd: hmm, seems simple |
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| 22:16.13 | c-c | n111cky: and no baiting intended, I just wanted to get to the matter and fact. Again, you can somewhat easily make a repo, so thats that. |
| 22:16.15 | SynrG | The question wasn't a support question, but a broad, open ended question inviting debate |
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| 22:17.14 | SynrG | If appreciate it if it were just dropped, thanks |
| 22:17.24 | SynrG | I'd* |
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| 22:18.31 | simonlnu | *psst*, don't mess with him, he's one of the sysops ;). |
| 22:18.42 | n111cky | awal1: I agree whole heartedly. I fully understand the trade off of installing random packages and I don't like it either. I just think that other projects benefit from a centralized place where people collaborate on packaging scripts, and I was wondering about something I heard. Will drop it now. |
| 22:19.21 | SynrG | Thanks |
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| 22:19.28 | n111cky | c-c: I see where you're coming from and for the most part I agree. |
| 22:20.54 | c-c | perhaps there is a debian devs community someplace with semi-secret repos full of fresh debs... |
| 22:21.56 | SynrG | !experimental |
| 22:21.56 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 22:22.02 | SynrG | Not so secret |
| 22:22.20 | SynrG | And not recommended for average users either |
| 22:23.40 | SynrG | Audi not secret: |
| 22:23.44 | SynrG | !mdn |
| 22:23.45 | dpkg | For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. |
| 22:23.51 | SynrG | Also* |
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| 22:24.43 | c-c | Yes, perhaps the long answer would mention broadly underlying ideology of "software package lifecycle" in debian isn't quite suitable for Ubuntu or Arch style "fix-it-while-you-use-it" approach. n111cky SynrG awal1 |
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| 22:25.10 | c-c | (and have better english grammar) |
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| 22:26.02 | SynrG | n111cky: i hope that answers in a more concrete way what seemed like a very abstract question that could only have speculative answers |
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| 22:27.02 | SynrG | For the most part we try to put new things in Sid and then if it can be done, add backports |
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| 22:27.38 | n111cky | SynrG: did you see my link? https://www.debian.org/vote/2015/platforms/neilm |
| 22:27.43 | SynrG | In a few exceptional cases like mdn, developers set up special sites to help users get bleeding edge stuff |
| 22:27.44 | n111cky | forward search ppa |
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| 22:28.02 | n111cky | that's the only reason I asked |
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| 22:28.49 | SynrG | You might search the debian-devel list archives to see discussion about the idea |
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| 22:30.24 | SynrG | Generally the dpl sites not take technical leadership of the project or set the direction for what we work on for their term (i say this as a recently retired DD: 1997-2016) |
| 22:30.42 | SynrG | does* not take |
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| 22:32.30 | awal1 | n111cky, I'm just and end debian user. What I wanted to tell youis: during almost 2 years, every 2 years, debian developers, maintainers and hundruds of contributors have a goal: release 'debian stable'. I dont think ppa/aur style can be combined with such (debian) philosophy... Dpkg factoid about experimental reflects how things are manager in debian. That's all |
| 22:33.04 | awal1 | managed ^ |
| 22:33.43 | SynrG | Speculative. But probably accurate. And not wrapping up the topic. Sorry for contributing to dragging it out. We should get back to support. |
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| 22:33.56 | pingfloyd | PPAs and AUR give the end user the wrong idea |
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| 22:34.12 | SynrG | pingfloyd: please, no more |
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| 22:39.43 | n111cky | fwiw you guys honestly changed my perspective on the topic, so thank you for the conversation. |
| 22:42.51 | SynrG | n111cky: np. And do that search of the list, perhaps. That's how to accurately assess "will Debian do x?" If sufficient objections are raised that the proposer drops it, you'll know the idea was tried and rejected, and why |
| 22:43.15 | SynrG | irc doesn't necessarily give you that perspective |
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| 22:51.34 | wewlad | omfg |
| 22:52.18 | wewlad | 'sudo aptitude build-dep wine64' results into this: https://paste.kde.org/pdxvckhaf Do I get it right that it wants me to downgrade some packages? |
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| 22:54.20 | SynrG | wewlad: hard to say without seeing appropriate output from your system but one possible cause is mixing releases |
| 22:54.50 | wewlad | what does 'mixing releases' mean? |
| 22:55.06 | SynrG | Show output from: apt-cache policy |
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| 22:56.12 | crash_ | is this channel a non-official debian irc? beacuse there is one over at oftc.net too |
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| 22:56.23 | wewlad | SynrG: http://paste.debian.net/791025/ |
| 22:56.39 | missmbob | crash_: oftc is official. this one was here first. long story. |
| 22:56.54 | crash_ | missmbob: ok thanks :) |
| 22:57.18 | jmcnaught | wewlad: it looks to me like you have installed mesa from backports. You should try "aptitude -s -t jessie-backports build-dep wine64" instead |
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| 22:58.16 | wewlad | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/791026/ |
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| 22:59.18 | SynrG | Ah. You have backports which is OK. However, build-dep can't figure out which -dev packages to install without conflicts with your backports. You could try -t jessie-backports |
| 22:59.54 | SynrG | Sigh. Took me too long to check the pastes and write |
| 22:59.55 | wewlad | I do have backports. I've installed wine from backports, because the other repo has a very outdated version of wine |
| 23:00.08 | SynrG | So this has already been answered. :) |
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| 23:00.44 | wewlad | SynrG: well, jmcnaught told me to run a command, but it yielded 'Unable to find the source package for "wine64".' Twice. |
| 23:01.11 | SynrG | Makes sense |
| 23:01.30 | jmcnaught | wewlad: you are probably missing the deb-src line for jessie-backports |
| 23:01.48 | wewlad | jmcnaught: in fact I do |
| 23:02.07 | wewlad | is the url and options the same as for 'deb'? |
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| 23:03.05 | jmcnaught | wewlad: yes |
| 23:03.14 | wewlad | someone, add it to https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ please |
| 23:03.50 | pingfloyd | wewlad: you've got it like this in sources.list? deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 23:04.44 | wewlad | oh god, I guess I've ruined something: 'sudo apt-get update' results into 'E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. \n N: Is the package apt-transport-https installed?' |
| 23:05.07 | missmbob | wewlad: no one told you to use https |
| 23:05.30 | wewlad | missmbob: and I didn't. |
| 23:05.39 | wewlad | it's wine-staging repo that uses https |
| 23:05.51 | wewlad | I've just tried to compile wine with a patch |
| 23:06.04 | wewlad | failed on the stage of getting proper 'build-deps' |
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| 23:06.28 | jmcnaught | wewlad: well you should try without the wine staging repo |
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| 23:06.42 | wewlad | hmm |
| 23:06.44 | wewlad | it works |
| 23:06.45 | SynrG | The error message gives you a clue anyway. |
| 23:06.46 | wewlad | thanks |
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| 23:07.11 | SynrG | ,v apt-transport-https |
| 23:07.12 | judd | Package: apt-transport-https on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.3; stretch: 1.3~rc1; sid: 1.3~rc2 |
| 23:07.44 | wewlad | thanks, installed that package now it supports https urls |
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| 23:10.42 | wewlad | thank you, guys |
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| 23:21.35 | DeaDSouL | Hi, is it possible to prevent feeding energy to the battery even the power-cort is plugged-in ? |
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| 23:22.43 | starstuff | How do I change my refresh rate so that it sticks after a reboot? After setting to 144Hz and then rebooting, it goes back to 60Hz. |
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| 23:26.48 | pingfloyd | starstuff: are you running a CRT? |
| 23:27.25 | somiaj | starstuff: what are you using to set this? And I assume you mean your refresh rate in xorg? |
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| 23:42.01 | starstuff | pingfloyd: No, it's a benq monitor with support for 144Hz and that's the refresh rate that I want. |
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| 23:42.21 | starstuff | somiaj: I'm using nvidia-settings. But I also tried directly editing my xorg.conf. |
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| 23:44.55 | _ADN_ | does the latest debian release support sparc architecture (sun microsystems) |
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| 23:46.11 | c-c | _ADN_: Sun Sparc? |
| 23:46.20 | _ADN_ | yes |
| 23:46.32 | missmbob | _ADN_: no. |
| 23:47.11 | _ADN_ | fro your knowledge do you know any linux distribution that works with sun psarc? |
| 23:47.19 | _ADN_ | apart from Solaris |
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| 23:47.54 | c-c | _ADN_: debian does not release for sparc |
| 23:48.03 | missmbob | _ADN_: i can't think of one. fedora stopped as well |
| 23:48.12 | c-c | _ADN_: but, debian is ported, or there is a project for sparc port of debian |
| 23:48.19 | c-c | sparc is 32 bit isn't it |
| 23:48.28 | missmbob | there was. it's basically dead |
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| 23:48.37 | missmbob | https://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc |
| 23:48.47 | _ADN_ | yes I saw hat debian |
| 23:48.55 | _ADN_ | thats the reason I wanted to get more info here |
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| 23:49.58 | TomTomTo1 | there is work going on for a sparc64 port for stretch. not sure how complete that's going to be. |
| 23:51.32 | _ADN_ | just was hopig there should be something already done |
| 23:52.23 | awal1 | DeadSoul, i think it's that's handled by your bios/uefi and some power ships stuff. I have a dell laptop which does that " prevent feeding energy to the battery even the power-cort is plugged-in" |
| 23:52.24 | _ADN_ | isainfo -v --> They started wit 32bits but I think they put 64 bit as well. Though sun microsystems just dissapear |
| 23:53.10 | awal1 | DeaDSoul ^ |
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| 23:59.07 | c-c | So, any debianites looking at Rust? Does it hold promise? |
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| 23:59.51 | bipul | Do anyone help, to know what exactly making me stop to delete the file. http://paste.debian.net/791016/ |
