| 00:00.19 | AndroUser | Which prompt? Yes stupid and obvious question but I want to be sure |
| 00:00.46 | AndroUser | Does it matter that legacy takes priority |
| 00:00.57 | pissfrog | shouldn't |
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| 00:00.59 | x86iac | gives pneumatik the gift of google |
| 00:01.13 | AndroUser | OK |
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| 00:01.25 | AndroUser | Let me create a live usb |
| 00:01.47 | pneumatik | i was using duckduckgo :| |
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| 00:02.36 | AndroUser | Why must the world be like this |
| 00:03.03 | missmbob | i really wish we didn't have a live iso |
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| 00:04.40 | AndroUser | OK one more question "boot off internet hard drive" do you mean internal? |
| 00:05.36 | pneumatik | x86iac: i tried it, i'm rebooting |
| 00:05.43 | x86iac | who told AndroUser about the internet hard drive ... that is suppose to be a secret |
| 00:06.46 | x86iac | AndroUser: with sshfs you can mount the internet hard drive right on a mount point |
| 00:08.06 | AndroUser | I have no idea what you just said except for mount |
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| 00:09.33 | pissfrog | internal |
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| 00:10.54 | x-yuri | hi, could you possibly tell me how is /var/cache/debconf/config.dat populated? let's consider I just installed the os, where are all those name/value keypairs coming from? |
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| 00:11.32 | AndroUser | Thank you for your help by the way |
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| 00:12.05 | pissfrog | AndroUser, http://www.linuxveda.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/debian-splash-screen.png |
| 00:12.31 | pissfrog | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.35 | pissfrog | i hope |
| 00:12.51 | pissfrog | i'm sort of newb to Debian as well |
| 00:12.56 | pissfrog | i'm more of a Red Hat guy |
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| 00:13.12 | AndroUser | Ahh no wonder |
| 00:13.24 | pneumatik | x86iac: the solution suggested in that link didn't help |
| 00:13.28 | pneumatik | i'm still getting the error |
| 00:13.33 | x86iac | AndroUser: you should be really checking your fdisk -l before continuing with this |
| 00:13.55 | AndroUser | I am not used to Debian myself prefer arch |
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| 00:14.11 | pissfrog | i have yet to run into problems installing either OS |
| 00:14.30 | pissfrog | i'm still baffled as how it doesn't work for others |
| 00:14.32 | x86iac | pneumatik: googlilizing your error produced lots of things .. that was just the first ;) |
| 00:14.44 | pneumatik | i've checked all those things |
| 00:14.49 | pissfrog | AndroUser, i'' |
| 00:14.55 | pissfrog | ve never tried Arch |
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| 00:15.00 | AndroUser | I will |
| 00:15.07 | pissfrog | but i did have to migrate from Gentoo cause it's a piece of crap |
| 00:15.21 | AndroUser | Gentoo takes to much effort |
| 00:15.26 | x86iac | i've never had a problem with installing any linux AFTER installing windows first |
| 00:15.39 | AndroUser | I don't have that much horse power to do all that compiling |
| 00:15.42 | pissfrog | yeah, no it's pretty straightforward |
| 00:15.43 | x86iac | to get it to dual boot |
| 00:15.55 | pissfrog | i'm gonna go home now |
| 00:15.59 | AndroUser | Mine came installed with windows 7 |
| 00:16.10 | AndroUser | Where are you how? |
| 00:16.13 | x86iac | frogtown raises a cheer |
| 00:16.20 | pissfrog | work |
| 00:16.55 | mnuhmnuh | x86iac: i've never had any trouble fixing win clobbering after install, but noobs don't know how. |
| 00:17.12 | afernandez_ | In your experiences what is a good storage hard drive? |
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| 00:17.34 | x86iac | afernandez_: any drive bigger then 800MB ? |
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| 00:18.26 | AndroUser | Ahh windows isn't the same beast as when I dealt with it in high school it git worse |
| 00:19.25 | x86iac | afernandez_: if you don't have to much to store - i can sell you my old 16 drive floppy cluster |
| 00:19.49 | pissfrog | a 240gb ssd should suffice |
| 00:19.52 | AndroUser | Any drive bigger than 256GB |
| 00:20.39 | x86iac | just stay away from the drives the equation group has powned |
| 00:20.41 | AndroUser | I am in advanced options clicked hardware detection |
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| 00:21.05 | AndroUser | And got failed to load libmenu.c32 |
| 00:21.11 | afernandez_ | ha ha ha !!!! |
| 00:21.30 | AndroUser | Failed to load COM32 file Hdt.c32 |
| 00:21.39 | x86iac | three ha's? but 4 ! ? ;) |
| 00:21.55 | AndroUser | Fucking hell |
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| 00:22.34 | x86iac | AndroUser: can you make a youtube ... i'd love to watch your descent into this |
| 00:23.22 | x86iac | AndroUser: you have a spare drive lying around ? do a straignt debian install on the same comptuer |
| 00:23.43 | AndroUser | Into complete and utter madness because of this already happened a long time ago |
| 00:24.06 | AndroUser | I am tempted to install it to a external but that still wouldn't let me boot it |
| 00:24.12 | AndroUser | I tried that too |
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| 00:24.24 | x86iac | and? |
| 00:24.33 | AndroUser | Didn't work |
| 00:24.49 | AndroUser | OK I am in the live environment bow |
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| 00:25.08 | AndroUser | What do I do to check Grub or the system as a whole |
| 00:25.24 | x86iac | pastebin fdisk -l |
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| 00:28.45 | AndroUser | OK |
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| 00:30.03 | MeepDude | http://pastebin.com/md6KGHB0 |
| 00:30.16 | MeepDude | I am so mad at this point and tired |
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| 00:31.14 | aypea[2] | meep: can't get it to boot or something? |
| 00:31.22 | MeepDude | Yup |
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| 00:31.33 | aypea[2] | meep: using EFI? |
| 00:31.38 | MeepDude | yup |
| 00:31.48 | MeepDude | Fucking hell |
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| 00:32.03 | MeepDude | Damnit windows and closed source all to hell |
| 00:32.03 | aypea[2] | meep: is it booting into windows only or nothing? |
| 00:32.13 | MeepDude | windows only |
| 00:32.24 | aypea[2] | meep: did you turn secure boot (or whatever it's called) off? |
| 00:32.29 | MeepDude | Yes |
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| 00:32.34 | aypea[2] | :/ |
| 00:32.44 | MeepDude | Yup fuck my life and bill gates |
| 00:32.56 | MeepDude | Greedy prick sold us all out |
| 00:33.18 | x86iac | MeepDude: have you been trolling us? |
| 00:33.26 | bazhang | MeepDude, whats a good chat channel |
| 00:33.43 | MeepDude | No not at all I am completely serious |
| 00:33.52 | x86iac | #MeepDude-naked |
| 00:33.54 | MeepDude | I have no clue of a good chat channel |
| 00:34.01 | x86iac | ^^ bazhang |
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| 00:34.06 | MeepDude | okay goin there now lol |
| 00:34.14 | aypea[2] | meep: you're definitely using grub-efi-* ? |
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| 00:34.35 | MeepDude | aypea[2] can come too lol |
| 00:34.51 | Hydroxide | bazhang: #debian-offtopic exists if you want to chat about other things besides Debian user support. |
| 00:35.08 | aypea[2] | meep: it's ok. I've no need to have a rant :) |
| 00:35.14 | MeepDude | Okay I created the channel |
| 00:35.15 | bazhang | thanks Hydroxide |
| 00:35.17 | Hydroxide | MeepDude: heh, feel free to stay here and get help overcoming your installation handles |
| 00:35.22 | Hydroxide | *hassles not handles. weird typo |
| 00:35.30 | Hydroxide | or hurdles. maybe that's how I got to that |
| 00:35.34 | MeepDude | I just want this nightmare to be over |
| 00:35.41 | MeepDude | arch was easier than this |
| 00:35.53 | x86iac | Hydroxide: he had used a few different handles |
| 00:35.54 | qih | Is there a way to show the file structure once installed of a Debian package? |
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| 00:36.05 | MeepDude | Sorry |
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| 00:36.19 | MeepDude | I was chatting from my phone as well while I attempted install |
| 00:36.20 | x86iac | qih: you mean what the file is? file file |
| 00:36.22 | aypea[2] | meep: just seems odd. I've installed debian on a secure boot, efi system (lenovo laptop) and it was simple. either something's missing from your install or your device is nutbar. |
| 00:36.31 | x86iac | MeepDude: np i was just joking with him |
| 00:36.40 | MeepDude | Okay so what do we do |
| 00:36.48 | Hydroxide | x86iac: ok. doesn't bother me as long as the reason is something like what he just said, instead of e.g. circumventing bans with sockpuppets. |
| 00:36.48 | MeepDude | I am not sleeping till I dual boot |
| 00:36.50 | aypea[2] | meep: can you boot back into your install disk/stick/wotnot to check out your linux install? |
| 00:36.53 | qih | I mean where all of it's bits are ... /usr/lib/blah, /usr/bin/blah etc |
| 00:37.01 | missmbob | qih: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 00:37.03 | aypea[2] | meep: or are you booted into it manually already? |
| 00:37.10 | qih | missmbob: Thanks. |
| 00:37.12 | MeepDude | I am in the live usb |
| 00:37.22 | aypea[2] | meep: what grub package is in the install? |
| 00:37.26 | missmbob | MeepDude: we already told you live doesnt work with uefi |
| 00:37.40 | x86iac | MeepDude: you said you actually had problem doing a straight debian onto a drive on the same computer ? didn't you? |
| 00:37.44 | qih | missmbob: Oh pretty, thanks again. |
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| 00:37.59 | MeepDude | yes but pissfrog said I could use it to check grub |
| 00:38.15 | MeepDude | I did the actual straight install with the netiso |
| 00:38.21 | MeepDude | I am using the live to check |
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| 00:38.31 | MeepDude | So that all being said what do I do |
| 00:38.42 | MeepDude | http://pastebin.com/md6KGHB0 |
| 00:39.01 | MeepDude | Bringing everyone up to speed |
| 00:39.06 | MeepDude | I am on a t560 |
| 00:39.34 | missmbob | MeepDude: did you ever check to make sure secure boot is disabled? |
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| 00:39.43 | MeepDude | I did and it was disabled |
| 00:39.44 | aypea[2] | meep: so it's a lenovo too? |
| 00:39.59 | MeepDude | Legacy takes priority over uefi and yes it is |
| 00:40.09 | aypea[2] | meep: should be simple, then. /should/. I've installed twice on lenovo. |
| 00:40.23 | MeepDude | Which is why I am so damn frustrated it is a fucking easy that is why I got lenovo!!! |
| 00:40.23 | aypea[2] | meep: so what grub package did you install? |
| 00:40.35 | MeepDude | The one that came with the netinstall |
| 00:40.42 | MeepDude | I have no idea what that one is |
| 00:40.59 | MeepDude | I feel the strong urge to rage hard |
| 00:41.06 | MeepDude | against the machine... |
| 00:41.06 | aypea[2] | meep: yeah but it may have picked the wrong one. mount your sda6, chroot into it and run dpkg -l | grep grub |
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| 00:41.36 | MeepDude | aypea[2] how do I do that? |
| 00:41.54 | MeepDude | Never done that before but I can build you a linux install from scratch =D |
| 00:42.02 | aypea[2] | meep: in a shell mouint /dev/sda6 /mnt (at a guess) then chroot /mnt |
| 00:42.02 | MeepDude | *arch linux |
| 00:42.07 | aypea[2] | meep: then dpkg -l | grep grub |
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| 00:43.12 | aypea[2] | meep: the fact that you've a 1M bios boot partition is somewhat suspect here. |
| 00:43.23 | aypea[2] | meep: I think it's pretending not to be EFI |
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| 00:44.34 | mnuhmnuh | MeepDude: "I am not sleeping till I dual boot" -- that's the spirit! bang your head on it til it falls over. install often. you learn something new every time. I started in '93. |
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| 00:44.58 | MeepDude | http://pastebin.com/2Rt1Ac37 |
| 00:45.13 | MeepDude | That is how I finally pulled off arch and I fell in love |
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| 00:46.57 | mnuhmnuh | MeepDude: grub-common, grub-pc, grub-pc-bin, grub2-common. amd64. |
| 00:47.28 | aypea[2] | meep: bingo. you've an efi system with a legacy grub |
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| 00:48.01 | aypea[2] | meep: boot into the installer with the bios set up for EFI boot and try again would be the simplest option. |
| 00:48.32 | aypea[2] | meep: don't activate legacy stuff in the bios at all. it's likely to be confusing things. just ensure secure boot is off (from memory) |
| 00:48.48 | MeepDude | so just go into my actually bios setting and set up for uefi then reboot |
| 00:48.54 | MeepDude | ??? |
| 00:49.00 | MeepDude | that was the default setting |
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| 00:49.50 | aypea[2] | meep: set it up for uefi and try installing again, probably clearing out the partitions already made. you can probably fix this without a 2nd install attempt but it's likely to be more annoying. |
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| 00:50.40 | anonrate | Does anyone know how I would go about being able to use both my screens with a different tty on them? |
| 00:51.02 | aypea[2] | meep: and by "partitions already made" I mean the linux ones. :) |
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| 00:51.25 | MeepDude | okay so I am going to change the settings and be right back |
| 00:51.29 | anonrate | I have xorg installed, I have xinit install along with xrandr and xmonad, but I have no idea if what I'm trying to accomplish is ever possible. |
| 00:51.35 | aypea[2] | meep: good luck :) |
| 00:51.38 | x86iac | tty are attached to specific /dev/tty* |
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| 00:52.03 | x86iac | anonrate: ^^^ what do you want to do |
| 00:52.44 | anonrate | I want to be able to have tty1 open on one screen, tty2 open another that way I can look back and forth, but if I want to use the other one, I would obvisouly have to switch to it via Alt Fkey |
| 00:53.32 | anonrate | An example would be say I have vim open on one, and weechat on the other because I need to follow insturctions that someone is giving me on weechat. |
| 00:53.37 | x86iac | you could do something with < and > /dev/tty2 ?? |
| 00:53.55 | anonrate | I have no idea what you just said. |
| 00:54.02 | anonrate | I'm kind of new to Linux. |
| 00:54.19 | x86iac | anonrate: why do you want to do this anyway? < and > are redirects from /dev/tty2 to an xterm |
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| 00:54.47 | x86iac | cat asdfasdfsdf > /dev/tty2 and then look in tty2 (alt f2) |
| 00:54.48 | anonrate | Because I want to be able to use both of my screens and have different things on each of them. |
| 00:55.00 | x86iac | tty7 is usually the xorg |
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| 00:55.14 | Meep | Switched to uefi first and I got a startup repair error will be reinstalling from scratch |
| 00:55.25 | x86iac | yea but why the different ttys? you can open mutilple xterms |
| 00:55.26 | Meep | Any other ideas |
| 00:55.46 | anonrate | That will work as well, but I don't have a WM, I just want to work from a command line. |
| 00:56.20 | mnuhmnuh | anonrate: at a terminal, what do ALT-F1 - F8 do? |
| 00:56.31 | anonrate | They goto a different one, I already know that. |
| 00:56.55 | x86iac | they go to the different /dev/tty |
| 00:57.01 | mnuhmnuh | anonrate: so, login to each, run stuff, ... |
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| 00:57.13 | anonrate | I want to be able to have weechat so how I'm talking to you right now open on the other screen, be able to see what everyone is saying, and on my other screen, I can work on. |
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| 00:57.49 | x86iac | use xorg and save your self a hassle |
| 00:57.51 | anonrate | I have two monitors... I want to have open multiple terminals, one on my first monitor, and one on the second one. |
| 00:58.07 | x86iac | you can't run xrandr etc on tty |
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| 00:58.26 | mnuhmnuh | anonrate: i've two desktops in X where I do the same. ALT-Fn does it from console without X. |
| 00:58.41 | aypea[2] | meep: what do you mean? does it still let you boot into windows? |
| 00:58.47 | anonrate | What? |
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| 00:59.11 | anonrate | I am on one desktop. I have 2 screens. Right now they are just showing me the samething. |
| 00:59.37 | anonrate | I want one terminal on one, and another terminal on the other. |
| 01:00.21 | anonrate | Does it make sense on what I'm trying to do here? |
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| 01:03.03 | [Saint] | anyone happen to be intimately familiar with screen and .screenrc? |
| 01:03.45 | [Saint] | I'm trying to figure out how to disable the status line in screen if a hardstatus is supplied in .screenrc |
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| 01:38.34 | [Saint] | x86iac: well, if you can address the question posed - either is fine. |
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| 01:40.47 | x86iac | here is everything i got my screen commands /usr/local/bin/screen -q &> /dev/null /usr/local/bin/screen -x -q &> /dev/null |
| 01:41.14 | x86iac | there is also tmux |
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| 01:47.55 | jbobbiz | if u have debian in raid1 can you remove one of the drives without loosing data? |
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| 01:50.13 | x86iac | don't you have to edit /etc/fstab too? or something |
| 01:50.18 | mnuhmnuh | jbobbiz: read up on raid1 defn. i built a raidN out of four 4GB usbkeys plugged into usb hub. worked great. |
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| 01:52.03 | x86iac | mnuhmnuh: he is talking aobut dismantling ... |
| 01:52.25 | mnuhmnuh | jbobbiz: slow write but, blisteringly fast read. :-) |
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| 01:53.11 | mnuhmnuh | x86iac: thought he had a bad drive and needed to replace it. |
| 01:53.22 | jbobbiz | yes i want to dismantle the raid |
| 01:54.03 | TomTomTosch | usually you would mark one drive as failed with mdadm then use the --remove option and then be able to remove it without an issue. |
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| 01:55.58 | x86iac | TomTomTosch: does that also do something with /etc/fstab? or is a change in fstab not needed here? |
| 01:56.49 | TomTomTosch | fstab does not list single drives from the raid. |
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| 01:58.05 | TomTomTosch | it points to the mapper. you use mdadm to manage the raid configuration. |
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| 02:10.17 | edju | Running Jessie. I had problems printing. Uninstalled the hplip I had and installed 3.16.5 from Jessie Backports. hp-check showed a bunch of missing dependencies which I installed. Now, I try to run hp-toolbox and get "error: No module named 'PyQt5' " Searched, and found and installed python-pyqt5. But, still a nogo - same error. Any advice, pointers, etc. appreciated. |
| 02:10.40 | jbobbiz | thank you TomTomTosch |
| 02:10.42 | jbobbiz | ;p |
| 02:11.03 | jbobbiz | so after removal via mdadm you can fdisk the dev to configure the new layout etc? |
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| 02:21.27 | TomTomTosch | i would advise doing a full backup before doing substential changes to your raid setup. |
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| 02:48.30 | Lionyx | Hello guys! |
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| 02:48.55 | Lionyx | I have a Galaxy Note 2 here, I was wondering if there's any free distro I could use in it. |
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| 16:36.39 | *** topic/#debian is Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.5; /msg dpkg 7.11 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 16:36.52 | activeand | stoned, i am looking for a ready made distro |
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| 16:37.05 | activeand | no spinning required |
| 16:37.14 | activeand | no spinning wanted |
| 16:37.54 | jhutchins | Mutually exclusive requirements are always fun. |
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| 16:38.05 | stoned | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/live-manual/stable/manual/html/live-manual.en.html |
| 16:38.10 | stoned | In case you don't find anything |
| 16:38.14 | stoned | And you have to spin your own, start here |
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| 16:40.16 | activeand | thanks |
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| 16:41.26 | jhutchins | "I have a project, I want somebody else to have already done the work for me." |
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| 16:41.40 | r3 | Hi all! I've got a package being kept-back and I am not sure how to fix it. This is in debian wheezy after I accidently did a apt-get dist-upgrade. The package is ntp and I don't want the version availble from debian sources as it breaks (insert ntp techy stuff). |
| 16:41.41 | stoned | *shrug* |
| 16:41.50 | stoned | He'll figure it out, eventually. In time. |
| 16:42.49 | r3 | so I've tried 'sudo apt-get install ntp=1:4.3.58-1' which results in 'ntp : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.17) but 2.13-38+deb7u11 is to be installed' ... I've no idea how to fix this and would sure appreciate some help |
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| 16:43.39 | SweetPear | Can you install debian on an USB? |
| 16:43.52 | SweetPear | (Would that work properly?) |
| 16:44.04 | th0r | SweetPear, it did for me |
| 16:44.22 | SweetPear | Good |
| 16:44.42 | stoned | SweetPear, yes |
| 16:44.59 | SweetPear | Another question, can you boot from that USB while fast boot and secure boot are enabled? |
| 16:45.13 | stoned | SweetPear, my laptop hdd was broken, it took a few weeks to find a replacement, in the meantime, I just use one usb as debian installer, and 2nd usb as hdd |
| 16:45.19 | stoned | 2 flash sticks are needed |
| 16:45.24 | r3 | looking in aptitude doesn't show libc6 available higher than 2.13 ... so 2.17 isn't available. I would even settle for ntp version 4.2.8 as that was working ok. 4.2.6.p5 which apt-get shows, I don't want. |
| 16:45.26 | stoned | or 1 if you do a netboot/tftp stuff |
| 16:45.35 | SweetPear | I'll use 2 |
| 16:45.50 | jelly | r3: which debian release do you have installed? |
| 16:45.54 | r3 | wheezy |
| 16:46.03 | jelly | ,v ntp |
| 16:46.05 | judd | Package: ntp on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u7; jessie: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; sid: 1:4.2.8p8+dfsg-1; stretch: 1:4.2.8p8+dfsg-1 |
| 16:46.27 | SweetPear | I have a laptop with Windows 8 installated, fast boot and secure boot enabled, can you boot debian with those enabled? |
| 16:46.42 | missmbob | SweetPear: debian doesnt work with secure boot |
| 16:46.44 | jelly | r3: if 4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u7 is not good enough for you you will have to build a custom backport. |
| 16:46.51 | stoned | SweetPear, uhm. I run windows 10 on my laptop hdd, and usb drives are debian, when I need to boot debian. I can't remeber my secureboot config |
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| 16:47.12 | r3 | ok, jelly. thanks for the response. Looks like I am going to do a clean install of jessie now then. |
| 16:47.13 | stoned | I think I turned off secureboot AND efi (went back to legacy) |
| 16:47.23 | stoned | SweetPear, try and it find out :) |
| 16:47.35 | jelly | r3: please note jessie has basically the same version. |
| 16:47.41 | hramrach | you cannot go back to legacy if windows use EFI |
| 16:47.41 | SweetPear | stoned, It's my school laptop, I don't want to screw it up :P |
| 16:47.49 | stoned | SweetPear, then image it first |
| 16:47.55 | stoned | SweetPear, have a spare hdd? |
| 16:48.05 | stoned | SweetPear, image your entire laptop and dump it in a safe place |
| 16:48.07 | hramrach | but you can turn off secure boot, with issues |
| 16:48.12 | r3 | jelly: I've a source for 4.3.93 |
| 16:48.21 | r3 | for jessie |
| 16:48.24 | SweetPear | What kind of issues? |
| 16:48.29 | SweetPear | I could image it, but that takes time :P |
| 16:48.29 | jelly | source for jessie? |
| 16:48.33 | jhutchins | SweetPear: secureboot was developed specifically to keep people from booting Linux. |
| 16:48.36 | r3 | (that I can add to my sources list and use that) |
| 16:48.39 | stoned | SweetPear, time well spent. |
| 16:48.46 | hramrach | and you cannot make an image of the hdd unless you take it out or turn of secure boot or find imaging software compatible with secureboot |
| 16:48.51 | jelly | oh, you mean "someone's built a binary package and put it in a repo" |
| 16:48.55 | stoned | SweetPear, peace of mind knowing you can restore your system anytime |
| 16:48.57 | r3 | the issue is more than libc6 somehow (or something else) got updated when I did a dist-upgrade |
| 16:49.07 | SweetPear | Hmmm |
| 16:49.11 | jelly | ,v libc6 |
| 16:49.12 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.19-18+deb8u5; stretch: 2.23-4; sid: 2.23-5; experimental: 2.24-0experimental1 |
| 16:49.13 | r3 | I had 4.2.8 (I think) running on wheezy just fine |
| 16:49.18 | jhutchins | I would suspect that they've passworded the boot settings. |
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| 16:49.31 | stoned | it's give to you by school? |
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| 16:49.38 | stoned | Or is it you rown lapotp just for school work? |
| 16:49.40 | SweetPear | What is secure boot actually used for |
| 16:49.41 | hramrach | SweetPear: actually, you should be able to boot Ubuntu or Suse or Fedora just fine |
| 16:49.49 | jhutchins | SweetPear: You could possibly install/run cygwin on it, or run virtualbox and debian as a guest. |
| 16:49.54 | stoned | SweetPear, making people's lives hell. |
| 16:49.57 | hramrach | recent versions of those do support secureboot iirc |
| 16:49.57 | jelly | r3: that would imply you mixed wheezy and (testing or unstable), in which case, yes, a reinstall would be strongly suggested |
| 16:50.13 | jelly | (don't do that) |
| 16:50.19 | SweetPear | Wait, Ubuntu does support secure boot? |
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| 16:50.24 | r3 | jelly: all I know is that I broke a (running, stable) by doing the dist-upgrade. |
| 16:50.29 | jhutchins | hramrach: I believe they can be made to work with sb, but it takes a bit of effort. |
| 16:50.32 | stoned | SweetPear, https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh824987.aspx |
| 16:50.37 | r3 | and I'm too much a novice to see or find out exactly what I foobared. |
| 16:50.52 | SweetPear | Why does Ubuntu have something debian doesn't :O |
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| 16:50.54 | jelly | r3: well, wheezy hasn't been stable since 2015 |
| 16:50.59 | hramrach | I do not have a device with secureboot so I cannote tell |
| 16:51.06 | stoned | SweetPear, you mean signed keys for secureboot? |
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| 16:51.10 | jelly | it's oldstable :-) |
| 16:51.12 | stoned | *shrug* |
| 16:51.13 | r3 | jelly: thanks again for the response... I appreciate it. and 2015 is the last time I fooled with this system |
| 16:51.30 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Ubuntu is a different distribution with different resources and different priorities. |
| 16:51.31 | r3 | time to upgrade |
| 16:51.37 | jelly | r3: which ntp feature is broken with 4.2.6p5? |
| 16:51.44 | SweetPear | stoned, probably |
| 16:51.48 | r3 | jelly: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691672 |
| 16:51.49 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/691672 in ntp (closed, patch): «build-depend on pps-tools»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-10-28; last modified: 2016-05-28. |
| 16:51.53 | SweetPear | Hmmmmmm |
| 16:51.55 | greycat | Huh, I keep thinking jessie's release was earlier than it was. |
| 16:52.19 | stoned | SweetPear, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SecureBoot |
| 16:52.36 | SweetPear | I don't get it, why did they create secure boot |
| 16:52.39 | r3 | jelly: not something a bunch of folks use, but I use it here for testing and ntp farm quite a bit |
| 16:52.45 | stoned | SweetPear, and for debian: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot |
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| 16:53.00 | SweetPear | Secure Boot seems pontless to me |
| 16:53.05 | SweetPear | point* |
| 16:53.52 | SweetPear | "Secure Boot is a security standard developed by members of the PC industry to help make sure that your PC boots using only software that is trusted by the PC manufacturer.", So it's created to prevent me from booting something like debian? |
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| 16:54.20 | jelly | r3: oh, so it's not a version issue but a debian build issue |
| 16:54.22 | stoned | See, that's BS |
| 16:54.38 | stoned | "... trusted by the PC manufacturer." |
| 16:54.44 | stoned | What about my trust? What about what I trust? |
| 16:54.44 | jelly | and so old, 2012 |
| 16:54.54 | r3 | jelly: I am sorry, but I don't understand that. I am a bit of a noob |
| 16:54.57 | SweetPear | Microsoft just doesn't want people to use Linux probably |
| 16:55.35 | greycat | r3: the bug you cited is an esoteric build environment issue, not a bug in the package once it has been built |
| 16:55.39 | r3 | jelly: regardless, it doesn't help me out of where I have found myself now anyway, I can't see a way to fix what I've done. |
| 16:56.33 | jelly | r3: what does "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg |tail -n 2" say on your system? |
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| 16:56.51 | r3 | greycat: thanks for that, but it still seems that I've got to get libc6 up over version 2.17 in order to install a newer package of ntp |
| 16:57.00 | greycat | stoned: An educated independent consumer should never choose a machine with SecureBoot because it limits your options. But a corporate IT guy may choose it to continue enslavement of his users to his corporate standard environment. |
| 16:57.24 | r3 | ii dpkg 1.16.18 amd64 Debian package management system |
| 16:57.24 | r3 | ii libc6:amd64 2.13-38+deb7u11 amd64 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:57.32 | r3 | oops, sorry, I meant to paste in #flood |
| 16:57.41 | r3 | bad r3, not used to that rule, sorry sorry sorry |
| 16:57.45 | jelly | here is okay for two lines only. |
| 16:57.49 | greycat | r3: newer than what? What version do you want, and why? |
| 16:58.00 | jelly | noone reads #flood anyway, use http://paste.debian.net for more lines |
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| 16:58.27 | r3 | 'sudo apt-get install ntp=1:4.3.58-1' results in |
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| 16:58.37 | jelly | r3: that won't work. |
| 16:58.38 | r3 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:58.38 | r3 | ntp : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.17) but 2.13-38+deb7u11 is to be installed |
| 16:58.38 | r3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.50 | greycat | There isn't an ntp 4.3.58 even in sid! |
| 16:58.55 | r3 | I have a source for it |
| 16:59.00 | stoned | what's on hold? |
| 16:59.01 | r3 | in my sources |
| 16:59.02 | greycat | r3: THEN YOU ARE NOT USING DEBIAN ANY MORE |
| 16:59.06 | jelly | r3: if you want a differently built ntp for wheezy, build it yourself |
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| 16:59.36 | r3 | greycat: because the debian package breaks ntp for what I am using it for |
| 16:59.43 | greycat | r3: STOP USING OUTSIDE PACKAGES |
| 16:59.47 | stoned | remove the ntp package |
| 16:59.53 | jelly | blinks |
| 16:59.58 | r3 | it's removed already |
| 16:59.58 | greycat | r3: if you want software that is not packaged in Debian, compile it from source code. |
| 17:00.19 | RoyK | greycat: is it caps lock day? ;) |
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| 17:00.37 | stoned | cat's having a grey day |
| 17:00.38 | stoned | ;) |
| 17:00.51 | greycat | RoyK: if [[ $(date +%A) = *y ]]; then ... |
| 17:01.00 | r3 | ok, well, I see that the only fix for this is to move to a different version of debian that HAS a newer package for ntp that won't break what I need it to do. |
| 17:01.00 | SweetPear | So, if I disable secure boot, debian can boot properly right? |
| 17:01.15 | stoned | SweetPear, yes |
| 17:01.17 | greycat | r3: Not even UNSTABLE has such a high version of ntp. |
| 17:01.27 | stoned | SweetPear, windows might not boot though |
| 17:01.28 | jelly | r3: it's not the only fix. You can keep using wheezy, and do a package rebuild with desired functionality enabled. |
| 17:01.30 | greycat | r3: you really just need to stop trying to depend on binary packages, and compile it. |
| 17:01.30 | r3 | or just 4.2.8 would be fine |
| 17:01.34 | SweetPear | stoned, why not? |
| 17:01.55 | stoned | SweetPear, windows depends on secureboot to be enabled to boot the encrypted boot partition i think |
| 17:02.03 | jelly | ,v pps-tools |
| 17:02.04 | judd | Package: pps-tools on amd64 -- stretch: 0.20120406+g0deb9c7e-2; wheezy: 0.20120406+g0deb9c7e-2; sid: 0.20120406+g0deb9c7e-2; jessie: 0.20120406+g0deb9c7e-2 |
| 17:02.07 | SweetPear | stoned, I'm only going to boot a live usb, so I could just enable it after using linux |
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| 17:02.33 | stoned | SweetPear, try it, you can't screw things up. Worst come to worst, you can just restore the efi settings back to what they were |
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| 17:02.50 | RoyK | r3: why do you need a newer version of ntp? |
| 17:02.53 | SweetPear | stoned, My laptop uses UEFI? |
| 17:02.55 | jelly | r3: so install pps-tools, then go rebuild ntp as explained in the bugs report |
| 17:02.57 | SweetPear | stoned, or is efi something different? |
| 17:02.57 | stoned | Does it? |
| 17:03.02 | r3 | greycat: and right about there is where my know-how and the notes I've taken give out. I understand the words you are using, and I understand about not going behind the package-manager's back by using other versions, but I really don't know exactly how to undertake what you are suggesting. |
| 17:03.03 | SweetPear | stoned, It does |
| 17:03.07 | greycat | SweetPear: we don't know what your laptop does |
| 17:03.15 | jelly | !package rebuild |
| 17:03.15 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
| 17:03.17 | jelly | r3: ^^ |
| 17:03.30 | jelly | dpkg, tell r3 about deb-src |
| 17:03.34 | c-c | r3: you can make your package into a .deb rather easily. |
| 17:03.38 | SweetPear | greycat: Wasn't supposed to be a question :P |
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| 17:04.07 | jelly | RoyK: he already explained why, a build-time option is missing from debian's binary packages |
| 17:04.26 | Nh3xus | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.46 | jelly | (see #691672) |
| 17:05.38 | r3 | if I could just roll-back the dist-upgrade I would be really happy |
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| 17:05.41 | c-c | r3: I hope you don't find my interruptions disrupting https://wiki.debian.org/CheckInstall |
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| 17:06.32 | beastwick | r3: Doesn't solve your problem, but if you are using LVM look into snapshotting a file system before an upgrade. You can discard changes if it doesn't pan out. |
| 17:06.45 | jelly | fuck does checkinstall have to do with a simple package rebuild |
| 17:07.20 | stoned | here is palm. Here is face. Hello palm. Hello face. BAM! |
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| 17:07.39 | r3 | reads and re-reads and triple reads what dpkg said and can only make out about 33% |
| 17:07.54 | beastwick | jelly I think he is suggesting to build the pkg from source and use checkinstall |
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| 17:08.06 | greycat | r3: install the pps-tools thing and then do the steps necessary to rebuild the ntp package from source. |
| 17:09.38 | jelly | r3: what the bot said is a very terse recipe to get source and dependencies in a similar way debian gets them, then recompile ISC ntp source and create a binary .deb package out of the source, one which will hopefully have the feature you need |
| 17:09.50 | r3 | I see. using the steps outlined in that bug report? hrm. I can try, but I am still not sure what I am doing. I do appreciate the help, please don't get me wrong. Maybe I am just slow. |
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| 17:10.10 | stoned | It can be a bit daunting |
| 17:10.17 | stoned | Just take your time and go slow. |
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| 17:10.42 | jelly | the bug report suggests it's just needed to install pps-tools and then to the rebuild steps, to get the kernel pps discipline available |
| 17:10.50 | r3 | "build it with debuid" is where I see dragons |
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| 17:11.22 | greycat | I'd go with what the bot said. |
| 17:11.23 | jelly | r3: that's an equivalent of step 5) from above. |
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| 17:12.37 | r3 | thanks again, jelly, greycat, much appreciated. Let me try step 1 and see if anything catches on fire. |
| 17:13.35 | jelly | r3: remember to install pps-tools at any point before the actual build (in step 5) |
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| 17:18.01 | r3 | jelly: says it is already installed |
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| 17:18.15 | jelly | good |
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| 17:22.36 | r3 | jelly: ok, it's crunching away on 'dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us' |
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| 17:27.20 | r3 | jelly: so this just fixes the bug reported, right? not the fact that the package was kept-back. Will there be future issues if I try to do a 'apt-get upgrade' right? |
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| 17:28.08 | greycat | r3: Usually if you rebuild a package locally, you then *want* to hold it back so apt-get won't clobber it with an identically-versioned package from Debian. |
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| 17:28.27 | greycat | In fact it's usually best to bump up your package's version string to avoid that.... |
| 17:28.28 | r3 | greycat: that makes sense |
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| 17:30.36 | r3 | ok, well, 'dpkg -i...' looks like it worked and ntp is running, now to see if it is running properly |
| 17:30.52 | greycat | You would probably have to restart ntpd. |
| 17:31.03 | greycat | Unless dpkg did that for you... I have no idea whether it does. |
| 17:31.06 | r3 | it wasn't installed before |
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| 17:31.13 | r3 | dpkg started it |
| 17:31.13 | dpkg | r3: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 17:31.23 | r3 | o.0 |
| 17:31.34 | greycat | The bot gets cranky when she hasn't had her oil changed. |
| 17:32.52 | unkmar | I like having my taskbar, IE: lxpanel. However, I'm looking for a nice replacement. I have a few features in mind and wonder what might have them. |
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| 17:33.38 | unkmar | I'd like the ability to reorder the listing of the running apps in the panel by dragging them around. |
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| 17:35.33 | unkmar | I'd like the ability to hide particular running instances from the taskbar. Obviously, I'd need the ability to unhide it in someway. |
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| 17:35.54 | unkmar | Any suggestions that have some of these features? |
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| 17:37.30 | r3 | jelly: I've got to wait to see if ntp does what it is supposed to do, I surely appreciate your help. |
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| 17:38.09 | r3 | greycat: thanks for the help! So how would I bump the package's version string to avoid it getting whacked by any future nimrodness from me? |
| 17:38.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | unkmar, one can re-order tasks in lxpanel |
| 17:38.41 | unkmar | CutMeOwnThroat: how? |
| 17:38.46 | greycat | After the extraction/patching, before the build step, you go into the Debian changelog file and add a stanza that is formatted exactly like the ones below it.... |
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| 17:39.12 | greycat | Either by using the "dch" program (which you may have to install), or by reverse-engineering the exact date format etc. |
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| 17:39.46 | r3 | eep |
| 17:39.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | just by dragging them around with the mouse? |
| 17:40.00 | r3 | maybe a sticky note on the front of the system telling me not to do that |
| 17:40.10 | r3 | could add it do the motd? |
| 17:40.12 | r3 | heh |
| 17:40.22 | r3 | these things are within the realm of what I know how to do. |
| 17:40.24 | unkmar | CutMeOwnThroat: that doesn't work for the items in the window lists. At least not in the version I'm running. |
| 17:40.24 | r3 | :p |
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| 17:42.50 | unkmar | For now, I'm using the nasty grouping system. Just discovered it in lxpanel, but have always hated it from my Windows XP days. |
| 17:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | unkmar, seems to work fine on this debian-stable⦠although I think just now was the first time I did it |
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| 17:44.22 | unkmar | CutMeOwnThroat: lxpanel -v Which version are you running? |
| 17:44.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | the one from debian stable |
| 17:45.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I had to check what it was with right-click->about --> LXPanel 0.7.2 |
| 17:45.49 | doz | disk cant copy and play in computer but only used in dvd machine what tools should i use..............anyone who can help me |
| 17:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | unkmar, you have to drag it onto another tab, not the space between tabs |
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| 17:47.17 | unkmar | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm running 0.5.10. So I'm guessing that feature was added recently. |
| 17:47.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions lxpanel |
| 17:47.37 | judd | Package: lxpanel on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.10-1; jessie: 0.7.2-1; sid: 0.8.2-1; stretch: 0.8.2-1 |
| 17:48.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, wheezy? you never mentioned wheezy |
| 17:48.39 | unkmar | CutMeOwnThroat: I've learned to NOT mention my version. I get too much flack for it. |
| 17:49.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | unlearn that |
| 17:49.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yeah⦠time to upgrade |
| 17:49.33 | greycat | There are lots of wheezy users. |
| 17:49.40 | unkmar | ^^^ How can I unlearn what you just reinforced? |
| 17:49.46 | johnkeates | greycat: is this you? http://i.imgur.com/Ii83kYM.jpg |
| 17:49.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | you also didn't mention that you're using lxpanel |
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| 17:49.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | unkmar, the less information you give, the crappier the answers |
| 17:50.13 | greycat | johnkeates: you have no proof! Nothing that would stand up in court! |
| 17:50.15 | unkmar | I did mention lxpanel at the very start. |
| 17:50.19 | johnkeates | haha :-) |
| 17:50.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right. I started with the next line in reading backlog |
| 17:51.26 | greycat | Wheezy on a *desktop* is a bit unusual, but lots of people have wheezy servers. It's a sane choice |
| 17:52.35 | unkmar | I installed and have been running this system for about 3 years. Less than a month after I upgraded it, the next version of debian was released. (Bad timing for me.) |
| 17:52.37 | r3 | jelly, greycat: it is working and I am getting the correct signal into ntp. Thanks again for all the help, and I will wait and see if I run out of memory again with this version of ntp. (I was having some difficulties with the version that got installed yesterday) I think this version should work good. If not, well, I will just upgrade to jessie and go from there. |
| 17:52.56 | r3 | cheers! |
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| 17:54.08 | unkmar | Anyway, Thanks for the info that lxpanel NOW supports that feature for my future installs. |
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| 17:54.50 | johnkeates | i had wheezy on a desktop. |
| 17:54.53 | johnkeates | it was very normal. |
| 17:55.04 | johnkeates | also had a lenny desktop, was normal too. |
| 17:55.12 | johnkeates | and now a jessie desktop, much normal. |
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| 17:55.32 | johnkeates | i also have a cat |
| 17:56.06 | greycat | I bet the cat is tangential rather than normal to your desktop. |
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| 17:57.50 | DeaDSouL_ | hi, what's the differece between 'smb' and 'samba' ? |
| 17:57.56 | johnkeates | smb is a protocol |
| 17:58.00 | johnkeates | samba a software program |
| 17:58.06 | greycat | Samba is the name of the package, and /etc/samba is the name of the directory where the config files live. |
| 17:58.16 | johnkeates | samba is also a dance |
| 17:58.18 | greycat | smbd is one of the program names, and smbd.conf is one of the config files. |
| 17:58.56 | unkmar | A couple a's are in samba that are missing from smb. |
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| 17:59.28 | johnkeates | smb is also small and medium businesses |
| 17:59.33 | DeaDSouL_ | I'm going very minimal.. should I install samba in order to have the smb protocol (as a server) ? or should I install 'samba'? |
| 17:59.43 | johnkeates | samba = smb server |
| 17:59.45 | johnkeates | so yes |
| 17:59.45 | greycat | If you want to run samba, install samba. |
| 17:59.47 | DeaDSouL_ | johnkeates: that means I can go with smb only |
| 17:59.53 | johnkeates | install samba |
| 17:59.59 | johnkeates | it's called SMB Server |
| 18:00.03 | johnkeates | in the debian dialog |
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| 18:00.26 | DeaDSouL_ | smb is the one servers 'cif' for windows ... right? |
| 18:00.30 | johnkeates | no |
| 18:00.40 | DeaDSouL_ | johnkeates: samba? |
| 18:00.44 | johnkeates | no |
| 18:00.46 | greycat | Please read a Samba introductory document of some kind. |
| 18:01.07 | johnkeates | SMB1, SMB2, SMB3 are SMB protocol levels, CIFS is SMB1 |
| 18:01.11 | DeaDSouL_ | greycat: can you guide me to the link please |
| 18:01.24 | johnkeates | CIFS exists because Microsoft tried to force it to be an official international standard |
| 18:01.27 | johnkeates | but they failed |
| 18:01.31 | greycat | http://www.google.com/search?q=samba |
| 18:01.32 | johnkeates | because money can't buy reality |
| 18:01.59 | greycat | johnkeates: usually, it does. |
| 18:02.03 | DeaDSouL_ | johnkeates: All I need is sharing some dirs with smb/cifs for windows... which one should I go with |
| 18:02.08 | johnkeates | install samba |
| 18:02.14 | johnkeates | samba is what you need to share with windows |
| 18:02.23 | johnkeates | greycat: you can't buy love |
| 18:02.40 | DeaDSouL_ | johnkeates: you can't buy health either |
| 18:02.46 | johnkeates | but you can buy healthcare |
| 18:02.54 | johnkeates | just like you can rent a hooker :p |
| 18:03.07 | johnkeates | so while you can't buy reality |
| 18:03.13 | johnkeates | you can buy a simulation |
| 18:03.15 | johnkeates | or catalyst |
| 18:03.21 | johnkeates | anyway, install samba |
| 18:03.33 | johnkeates | edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and add whatever you want to share |
| 18:03.43 | johnkeates | use smbpasswd to add samba users |
| 18:03.44 | unkmar | Personal difference. I won't share to windows. I force windows systems to pull via scp or sftp connection. In fact, I've recently resorted to just using email or a thumbdrive. I don't trust Windows for anything. |
| 18:03.59 | johnkeates | i trust windows to collect malware for me |
| 18:04.37 | c-c | you can trust windows to collect your info for sale! |
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| 18:04.47 | unkmar | I've even provided intranet for Windows to pull files via http. Like johnkeates, I trust windows to collect malware. |
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| 18:05.55 | DeaDSouL_ | unkmar: right, but some people here use windows not linux... I can't force them to use my linux that's why I need to have a protocol supported by the 3 famous OSes |
| 18:06.00 | techie28 | I have encrypted a pen drive using cryptsetup on debian. |
| 18:06.11 | techie28 | it wont open up on windows system now |
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| 18:06.20 | greycat | Nobody here uses Windows. This is #debian! |
| 18:06.31 | unkmar | DeaDSouL_: WinSCP comes to mind. |
| 18:06.52 | stoned | There is also sshfs |
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| 18:06.54 | greycat | re-reads the line a few times... Oh, you meant *there* not *here*. |
| 18:07.14 | techie28 | greycat: yes but you may need to use your flash device on windows or anyother platform |
| 18:07.33 | unkmar | I stopped using Windows a few months ago. This office doesn't have any to look out of. :P |
| 18:07.40 | pneumatik | hey i'm on jessie and i still have xen problems |
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| 18:07.50 | greycat | Anyway, install samba, read the basic docs, edit smb.conf, reload whatever. It's not that hard. |
| 18:08.01 | pneumatik | libvirt tries to start the pciback module and not xen-pciback |
| 18:08.03 | stoned | techie28, https://github.com/t-d-k/LibreCrypt |
| 18:08.17 | unkmar | ^^^ He's right. A little effort, but one of the easier things I did in the past. |
| 18:08.44 | techie28 | stoned: is it better then cryptsetup? |
| 18:08.59 | missmbob | having some weird keyring issue with apt-get. debian-keyring is there...dont remember the last time i touched this box though. https://paste.debian.net/791711/ |
| 18:09.28 | RoyK | pneumatik: just curious - why do you use xen instead of kvm? |
| 18:09.57 | pneumatik | RoyK: it's a server and xen is easier to manage remotely |
| 18:09.57 | techie28 | I used LUKS while encrypting I wonder if that is preventing it to be opened on Windows? |
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| 18:10.14 | pneumatik | (apparently) |
| 18:10.27 | pneumatik | and also i can dedicate only 512MB of ram to the Dom0 |
| 18:10.35 | pneumatik | stuff like that |
| 18:10.52 | RoyK | pneumatik: didn't know that ... most distros have moved to kvm and for my things, I can manage it remotely without issues (and kvm doesn't require dedication of memory or cpu) |
| 18:11.06 | stoned | techie28, did you read the link I gave you |
| 18:11.07 | DeaDSouL_ | right guys, but I need cifs :D |
| 18:11.23 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.26 | greycat | NEXT! |
| 18:11.36 | missmbob | i'll be next :P |
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| 18:11.44 | stoned | no soup for you! |
| 18:11.47 | stoned | NEXT! |
| 18:11.59 | pneumatik | RoyK, i mean it's a server, not a client, on my arch box that i'm using now I run my Windows VM in KVM because it runs on top of my distro which is already doing stuff |
| 18:12.22 | RoyK | pneumatik: I'm using kvm with my servers ;) |
| 18:12.43 | pneumatik | TIL |
| 18:12.53 | pneumatik | i thought KVM on servers was unreliable or something |
| 18:12.57 | techie28 | stoned: yes I am reading |
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| 18:15.03 | DeaDSouL_ | thanks greycat |
| 18:15.07 | merlin__ | would like soup |
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| 18:15.41 | greycat | $ apt-cache search --names-only soup | wc |
| 18:15.41 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.43 | sypher | pneumatik: In what way? |
| 18:15.43 | unkmar | Okay, so... Is there a chance I can get the newer version of lxpanel into wheezy without sacrificing a live goat or something? |
| 18:16.10 | greycat | ,v lxpanel |
| 18:16.11 | judd | Package: lxpanel on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.10-1; jessie: 0.7.2-1; sid: 0.8.2-1; stretch: 0.8.2-1 |
| 18:16.27 | greycat | Hmm. Not sure how to ask judd about backport-readiness into oldstable. |
| 18:16.36 | RoyK | pneumatik: it's not |
| 18:16.50 | techie28 | stoned: I basically use debian but want an encrypted flash drive to be accesible on linux & windows or anywhere. |
| 18:16.59 | pneumatik | that's just what i've heard |
| 18:17.01 | techie28 | seems like LibreCrypt is not available for Debian |
| 18:17.13 | pneumatik | i'm really knew to this sort of thing |
| 18:17.14 | RoyK | pneumatik: well, it's wrong |
| 18:17.35 | unkmar | awaits greycat's wisdom. |
| 18:17.41 | RoyK | pneumatik: the enterprise stuff from redhat is built on kvm |
| 18:17.43 | pneumatik | i bought one second hand poweredge on ebay to play with and i honestly have no idea what i'm doing |
| 18:17.59 | RoyK | pneumatik: I've been using kvm on my server for 4+ years without issues |
| 18:18.05 | pneumatik | hm |
| 18:18.10 | pneumatik | i'll look into it |
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| 18:22.03 | unkmar | greycat: Does this help me by saying NO? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/kernel/ |
| 18:22.19 | unkmar | greycat: lxpanel, well, nothing LXDE based appears to be listed there. |
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| 18:22.56 | unkmar | Eep, Just read the word kernel. I'll keep looking. |
| 18:22.59 | greycat | unkmar: I have absolutely no idea why you are looking a a page with /kernel/ in the URL. |
| 18:23.21 | greycat | !judd |
| 18:23.21 | dpkg | judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ for detailed information, or ask me about <judd-packages>, <judd-hardware>, <source judd>. |
| 18:23.43 | greycat | checkbackport source_packagename [ --fromrelease release ] [ --torelease release ] [ --arch architecture ] [ --verbose ] |
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| 18:24.10 | greycat | judd checkbackport lxpanel --fromrelease jessie --torelease wheezy |
| 18:24.12 | judd | Backporting package lxpanel in jessieâwheezy/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libmenu-cache-dev. |
| 18:24.29 | greycat | Looks like it won't work in that way. |
| 18:25.32 | unkmar | Yeah, I noticed. I listed all packages and searched lxpanel. Got nothing. searched lxde and lxappearance was found. |
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| 18:25.38 | unkmar | greycat: Thanks for checking. |
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| 18:26.23 | greycat | I already knew there was not an EXISTING backport. What I didn't know how to check was whether you could MAKE ONE for wheezy. Needed to find that syntax synopsis. |
| 18:26.55 | greycat | It sounds like you were wasting a lot of time looking for existing backports. |
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| 18:28.13 | sypher | judd checkbackport libmenu-cache-dev --fromrelease jessie --torelease wheezy |
| 18:28.14 | judd | Backporting package libmenu-cache-dev in jessieâwheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy. |
| 18:28.33 | sypher | greycat: Might be doable? |
| 18:28.37 | greycat | Oh, it doesn't recurse into the build-deps? |
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| 18:28.57 | unkmar | Hmm. |
| 18:29.07 | sypher | greycat: Don't think so. |
| 18:29.36 | greycat | So it might work after all. You can try. |
| 18:29.38 | greycat | !ssb |
| 18:29.38 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 18:30.17 | greycat | Then again, you might also ask yourself why you are sticking with wheezy on a desktop. |
| 18:30.19 | jelly | r3: glad to hear it worked out. You can "hold" the custom package to make apt not upgrade it if a bigger version appears. |
| 18:30.31 | jelly | dpkg, tell r3 about hold |
| 18:30.50 | techie28 | stoned: how is veracrypt? |
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| 18:31.53 | jelly | greycat, r3: incidentally, the date format for debian/changelog is the same as for mail Date header... "date -R" (--rfc-2822) will do it |
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| 18:41.14 | unkmar | greycat: because I don't wish to reinstall and be lost for months. |
| 18:41.54 | greycat | Why would you reinstall? |
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| 18:42.52 | unkmar | Because I absolutely will not EVER again attempt a distro-upgrade. My multiple previous attempts have all failed horribly. |
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| 18:43.18 | jelly | debian's release upgrade process is quite good if you follow the procedure in release notes |
| 18:43.30 | jhutchins | greycat: You may be pleased to know I figured out how to do something in bash without bugging you. |
| 18:43.44 | jelly | unkmar: I've last reinstalled the machine I'm typing on in... 2001. |
| 18:44.25 | greycat | A 15-year-old computer that still physically works is pretty impressive. |
| 18:44.33 | jelly | this installation lived thru 5-6 hw upgrades |
| 18:44.40 | jhutchins | Note that upgrades work a lot better if you go from oldstable to stable, not four releases ago to three. |
| 18:44.41 | petn-randall | jelly: Pretty much the same here. Many installations just migrate on the disks to a newer machine, too :) |
| 18:44.42 | greycat | Especially since the machines from around year 2000 had all those bad capacitors. |
| 18:44.44 | jelly | dunno how many software upgrades |
| 18:44.46 | bizarrefish | My car's 16 years old. It still works :D |
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| 18:45.02 | jelly | greycat: still the same broom |
| 18:45.07 | bizarrefish | Also got a sunblade 1000 around here |
| 18:45.11 | bizarrefish | Not that I use it |
| 18:45.47 | jhutchins | greycat: Ah yes, I too lost a board to the Chinese pirated capacitors. |
| 18:46.20 | bizarrefish | I had a monitor which died because of bad caps |
| 18:46.46 | bizarrefish | 0.60GBP to replace them; monitor still works today |
| 18:46.50 | jhutchins | bizarrefish: My bike's an 85, my truck a 94. |
| 18:46.52 | bizarrefish | (that was 10 years ago) |
| 18:47.09 | bizarrefish | Damn I feel old |
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| 18:47.10 | bizarrefish | :< |
| 18:47.21 | bizarrefish | is 24. That's 12 years older than 12 |
| 18:48.15 | c-c | imo computers rarely go bad |
| 18:48.27 | c-c | psu's often do, its the software that fails |
| 18:48.34 | bizarrefish | c-c: Mostly HDDs die, mostly |
| 18:48.46 | greycat | 1) disks, 2) power supplies, 3) motherboards |
| 18:48.56 | greycat | HUGE gap between 1 and 2, but still. |
| 18:49.02 | RoyK | greycat: put memory on 2.5 |
| 18:49.05 | jhutchins | 4)controllers |
| 18:49.09 | bizarrefish | I wonder if floppy drives fail |
| 18:49.15 | bizarrefish | Never seen one fail |
| 18:49.29 | bizarrefish | memory fails? |
| 18:49.31 | bizarrefish | O_o |
| 18:49.33 | jhutchins | bizarrefish: They never get used these days. |
| 18:49.35 | greycat | Maybe my experiences are atypical, but RAM failures have never been common for me. |
| 18:49.37 | RoyK | luckily we don't have them anymore ;) |
| 18:49.40 | bizarrefish | I've had a graphics card die for seemingly no reason |
| 18:49.42 | jhutchins | I had a chip on a graphics card literally explode. |
| 18:49.51 | bizarrefish | Triangles; triangles everywhere. |
| 18:50.32 | bizarrefish | A couple of laptops where the GPU desoldered itself |
| 18:50.43 | bizarrefish | 1 was an iBook G3 |
| 18:50.55 | RoyK | heh - broken fan? |
| 18:50.55 | rattking | if you consider a zip disk a type of floppy then yes |
| 18:50.59 | jhutchins | RAID controllers used to fail a LOT. Not backwards compatible then either. |
| 18:51.14 | bizarrefish | RoyK: Nah, there wasn't a fan. Just inadequate solder. |
| 18:51.20 | RoyK | jhutchins: good reason for not using hwraid ;) |
| 18:51.22 | bizarrefish | Was a known problem for iBooks |
| 18:51.32 | johnkeates | yeah, just like the 8600m now |
| 18:51.37 | johnkeates | or now, 6 years ago |
| 18:51.48 | pissfrog | lol @ iBook, who's got one |
| 18:51.49 | pissfrog | ? |
| 18:51.59 | johnkeates | many 8xxx mobile nv chips desoldered themselves |
| 18:52.00 | bizarrefish | wonders if there is meaning in NVIDIA model numbers |
| 18:52.03 | pissfrog | that was my very first laptop |
| 18:52.04 | johnkeates | there is not. |
| 18:52.10 | johnkeates | it's al marketing wank |
| 18:52.17 | johnkeates | i have a g3 iBook too |
| 18:52.20 | johnkeates | and a g4 iBook |
| 18:52.26 | bizarrefish | Is it supposed to confuse me into buying more graphics cards, perhaps? |
| 18:52.27 | johnkeates | and g4 powerbook, now that i think of it |
| 18:52.32 | RoyK | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable_Personal_Computer <--- now, this is your portable computer! |
| 18:52.39 | pissfrog | the iBook g4 was a piece of crap |
| 18:52.44 | pissfrog | so was the powerbook |
| 18:52.45 | johnkeates | the white one |
| 18:52.47 | pissfrog | yes |
| 18:52.55 | bizarrefish | Perhaps 10% of people go back and buy a better card after they realise the larger number doesn't mean better....so 10% more profit. |
| 18:52.57 | johnkeates | i had them both (still do) and they worked well |
| 18:53.00 | pissfrog | i paid $2000CAD for a model with 256MB of ram |
| 18:53.13 | johnkeates | i added ram myself |
| 18:53.14 | jhutchins | We have strayed a bit off topic, perhaps we should take this tp -offtopic? |
| 18:53.19 | pissfrog | i did so too |
| 18:53.35 | bizarrefish | I installed debian on said iBook |
| 18:53.36 | johnkeates | i started running debian when ppc support started getting somewhere |
| 18:53.38 | pissfrog | that's how i started using linux, cause of apple discontinuing their OS for PPC macs |
| 18:53.42 | johnkeates | yeah |
| 18:53.49 | bizarrefish | heh |
| 18:53.54 | johnkeates | linux on g4, and g5 tower, worked well |
| 18:54.00 | bizarrefish | Needed the 512M of RAM tho |
| 18:54.02 | pissfrog | but DEbian didn't work for me back then so i switched to Yellow Dog and then Fedora |
| 18:54.10 | johnkeates | but now it's no longer economical with the power requirements |
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| 18:54.49 | pissfrog | i recall buying a dreadful PS3 just to run linux |
| 18:54.54 | pissfrog | on a power chip |
| 18:55.02 | pissfrog | that was a poor decision |
| 18:55.06 | johnkeates | it's somewhat sad that even as we can run debian etc. on those old PPC systems, they are simply no longer useful |
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| 18:55.12 | pissfrog | i sold it shortly after and built a gaming rig |
| 18:55.13 | johnkeates | well, maybe if power is free |
| 18:55.19 | johnkeates | and if you have no heating |
| 18:55.30 | bizarrefish | PS3 probably wasn't particularly fast for general purpose computing? |
| 18:55.33 | johnkeates | the powerpc g5 tower is a 1000w electrical heater |
| 18:55.42 | johnkeates | that happens to run debian |
| 18:55.49 | johnkeates | "i installed debian on my heater" |
| 18:55.50 | johnkeates | the |
| 18:55.53 | bizarrefish | Lol |
| 18:56.01 | bizarrefish | Was gonna mention toaster |
| 18:56.11 | bizarrefish | But remembered that's NetBSD |
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| 18:56.33 | johnkeates | i think i got debian running on a settop box and a tv a while ago |
| 18:56.56 | johnkeates | both no longer did video or anything like that (UART I/O only), but it ran. :p |
| 18:57.03 | johnkeates | both ARM based tho, no PPC |
| 18:57.25 | johnkeates | that said, even with all the debian platform support for non-x86 CPU's, are there any useful hardware combo's out there? |
| 18:57.27 | c-c | Its funny how you could save money just by buying a low power 22 nm computer for your daily computer - from electricity |
| 18:57.35 | pissfrog | nope |
| 18:57.36 | johnkeates | yeah |
| 18:57.39 | pissfrog | x86 is still king |
| 18:57.50 | johnkeates | it seems most are either underpowered or use too much electricity |
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| 18:58.22 | johnkeates | almost all ARM, MIPS etc. are blown away with a basic x86 CPU that uses less than 10W as well |
| 18:58.33 | pissfrog | i hope intel or AMD can take the arch in a direction where it can grow cause we have all this software and hardware that just works with x86 chips |
| 18:58.54 | johnkeates | maybe with intel's FPGA addition? |
| 18:59.02 | johnkeates | they bought the tech for a reason i suppose |
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| 18:59.26 | pissfrog | don't get me wrong, i have nothing against ARM or CISC per se, but it's such a PITA to just install an OS or get vga to work |
| 18:59.31 | c-c | is inventing novel concepts such as "the daily computer" |
| 18:59.48 | pissfrog | sorry, that's RISC |
| 18:59.51 | pissfrog | not CISC |
| 18:59.55 | pissfrog | CISC is intel/amd |
| 19:00.01 | johnkeates | even CISC with the microcode isn't as CISC as it seems |
| 19:00.11 | c-c | pissfrog: should have a project with the manufacturers to make debian installs easier? |
| 19:00.37 | bizarrefish | Intel is expensive, ARM isn't. There are less architectural differences than before, and the power usage gap is somewhat closing. |
| 19:00.40 | johnkeates | back when the PPC G4 was still fast and reasonably economical vs. the x86 of the time, linux on the beast was fun |
| 19:00.49 | pissfrog | c-c, doesn't matter which linux it is, eventually the tech from one distro spills into others |
| 19:00.57 | c-c | sure |
| 19:00.58 | pissfrog | it's usually Red Hat, but that's fine |
| 19:00.59 | johnkeates | OpenFirmware booted so fast |
| 19:01.06 | bizarrefish | Servers are, I think, where ARM is going to kick Intel's ass |
| 19:01.08 | c-c | pissfrog: but should have a project, then? |
| 19:01.18 | pissfrog | totally |
| 19:01.33 | bizarrefish | Ubuntu seems pretty influential in the Linuxshpere |
| 19:01.33 | johnkeates | would make sense if high density servers go the ARM way, and low density high-powered go the PPC way |
| 19:01.36 | bizarrefish | *sphere |
| 19:01.38 | pissfrog | bizarrefish, those servers are meant for the likes of Amazon and other cloud providers |
| 19:01.40 | pissfrog | we're small fish here |
| 19:01.41 | bizarrefish | Systemd, etc.. |
| 19:01.45 | johnkeates | systemd is puke |
| 19:01.58 | bizarrefish | systemd is ubiquitous, learn it. |
| 19:02.03 | johnkeates | it's puke |
| 19:02.09 | pissfrog | systemd is here to stay unfortunately |
| 19:02.10 | bizarrefish | There are two kinds of software. Shit, and shittier. |
| 19:02.16 | greycat | Let's not have another systemd-bashing session please. |
| 19:02.19 | pissfrog | lol |
| 19:02.20 | bizarrefish | The fact that it's not perfect isn't a valid criticism for software. |
| 19:02.40 | johnkeates | bashes extra hard to compensate for the no-bashing-phase to come |
| 19:02.47 | pissfrog | i can honestly say that my machines are loading faster with systemd |
| 19:02.48 | c-c | pissfrog: so would you rather have ARM or RISC manufacturer support the easier debian wares to install project? |
| 19:02.51 | bizarrefish | helps johnkeates bash |
| 19:03.05 | bizarrefish | BASH is a pile of crap, why does nobody complain about it. |
| 19:03.13 | bizarrefish | BASH has got to be far nastier than systemd |
| 19:03.14 | johnkeates | because it's not trying to eat user land |
| 19:03.19 | bizarrefish | Shellshock, for example. |
| 19:03.31 | johnkeates | it's not trying to tie the whole running of a system into a monolithic blob |
| 19:03.33 | bizarrefish | I'm pretty sure BASH is commonplace. |
| 19:03.34 | c-c | bash is pretty old school for sure |
| 19:03.44 | pissfrog | c-c, i think what we need is a more mainstream set of manufacturers like AMD/Intel on the x86 side. Those manufacturers need to make RISC chips available in stores for us to build machines with |
| 19:03.52 | johnkeates | nothing prevents you from using csh, sh, zsh |
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| 19:03.57 | c-c | bash doesn't even attempt to have human interfaces, its just a bunch of things |
| 19:04.05 | jelly | eh, I'm buying another arm to run debian on right now |
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| 19:04.14 | bizarrefish | johnkeates: Monolithic at the moment, sure. Doesn't mean the design cannot be separated out as appropriate as we learn more about the problem. |
| 19:04.16 | johnkeates | i have two arms, i use them a lot |
| 19:04.20 | bizarrefish | Refactoring does happen...occasionally. |
| 19:04.22 | bizarrefish | I've seen it. |
| 19:04.48 | johnkeates | the problem is that once systemd started to try to do more than say, launchd does, it turned into kernel-for-userland |
| 19:04.57 | jelly | was there a tech support question behind all this? |
| 19:05.00 | johnkeates | yes |
| 19:05.12 | johnkeates | how do i reboot my 8051 core in the intel pct |
| 19:05.20 | johnkeates | pch* |
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| 19:05.46 | bizarrefish | It's important that we try to understand why systemd's alternatives failed where systemd succeeded, rather than just bash systemd for not being composed of the correct number of executables. |
| 19:05.57 | jelly | that's not exactly a debian question |
| 19:05.59 | missmbob | and stay on topic please |
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| 19:06.36 | bizarrefish | Besides, just because something is broken into separate userland servers, says really very little about coupling, which is the actually-important point. |
| 19:06.47 | jelly | johnkeates, bizarrefish: drop the systemd thing mkay, noone's going to change their opinion or learn something new with this |
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| 19:07.20 | pissfrog | i'm going for lunch, but when i return, i have a topic related issue. debian+vsftpd+chrooted apache subdirs |
| 19:07.25 | pissfrog | don't go anywhere! |
| 19:07.47 | jelly | quick, everyone hide |
| 19:07.49 | pissfrog | that should put an end to this systemD nonsense :) |
| 19:07.49 | johnkeates | goes somewhere |
| 19:07.58 | jelly | /msg chanserv CLEAR #debian |
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| 19:08.18 | c-c | pissfrog: I'm kinda disappointed I was hoping you had a manuf in mind |
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| 19:09.44 | bizarrefish | jelly: It's an issue that affects debian, and I was attempting to generate intelligent, non-bashy discussion on it. If the channel is not adult enough for this, making it a banned topic for this reason sets a rather unfortunate precedent, and has a certain unpleasant outcome. |
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| 19:10.32 | greycat | It's not a "banned topic". It's just that hearing the same complaints over and over, 10 or more times a month, is not productive. |
| 19:10.46 | bizarrefish | Sure, if I was just suggesting it sucks, or it was awesome because, dropping it would be undoubtedly the most productive course |
| 19:10.59 | greycat | This is not an audience with power to DO ANYTHING about your complaints. |
| 19:11.12 | bizarrefish | I just asked a question, and nobody has answered it. I didn't mean to cause an argument |
| 19:11.34 | bizarrefish | (specifically, about why it succeeded where other things failed) |
| 19:11.50 | greycat | !why systemd |
| 19:11.50 | dpkg | a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Support for other init systems (sysvinit) will still be present in Debian 8. systemd-shim (in development) will allow userspace requiring some systemd APIs to work without it. |
| 19:11.51 | jelly | metadiscussion has no place here, either, good intentions or not. Move it to #debian-offtopic |
| 19:11.56 | bizarrefish | Perhaps there is already a well-known answer to this, which I am simply not aware of. |
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| 19:12.05 | greycat | https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html |
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| 19:13.14 | jelly | dpkg, why systemd =~ s/ (in development) will allow/allows/ |
| 19:13.14 | dpkg | OK, jelly |
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| 19:15.27 | jelly | dpkg, why systemd =~ s/will still be present in Debian 8/is still present in Debian 8/ |
| 19:15.27 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
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| 19:37.09 | neo_ | hi people, i am using icewm on debian stretch, my clock and applets are freezing time to time and i dont know to do ... i already reinstalled icewm with "> sudo apt install --reinstall icewm", but it doesnt solve the problem ... i dont know what triggered the problem, it just started to happen ...how can I look for the reasons of the problem ? to look for some solution ? thanks in advance. |
| 19:37.32 | sypher | !debian-next |
| 19:37.32 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:41.19 | lok | do you use any API? |
| 19:41.32 | c-c | yes, I do |
| 19:41.37 | lok | which one? c-c |
| 19:41.47 | lok | i want to see how to use it & understand it? |
| 19:42.02 | c-c | lok and that relates to #debian how? |
| 19:42.20 | lok | can i take you on PM? |
| 19:43.02 | c-c | lok you can talk about debian problems here |
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| 19:45.27 | jelly | lok: your question is VERY vague and programming related. You'll want to be more specific to find better place to ask, or ask in a programming channel |
| 19:45.30 | c-c | lok: go to #programming |
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| 19:58.45 | Battaglin| | how to enable directoy listing in apache2? on debian |
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| 19:59.00 | Battaglin| | didnt that use to be default enabled? |
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| 19:59.21 | johnkeates | enable indexes |
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| 19:59.32 | johnkeates | default enabled is a security risk, so no |
| 19:59.48 | Battaglin| | yeah.. in apache2.conf right? |
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| 20:00.06 | greycat | Pssht, security. |
| 20:00.07 | missmbob | in directory you want (probably /var/www) "Options Indexes FollowSymLinks" |
| 20:00.07 | johnkeates | within the directory or webroot specification |
| 20:00.15 | missmbob | yes, apache2.conf |
| 20:00.31 | johnkeates | or in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/<your site here> |
| 20:00.43 | Battaglin| | I did.. dont seem to work |
| 20:00.48 | johnkeates | restarted the server/ |
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| 20:00.53 | johnkeates | and checked the logs? |
| 20:01.05 | greycat | Putting "secrets" in files in your DocumentRoot and then relying on the user *not knowing the file name* to keep them "secret" is not security. |
| 20:01.55 | johnkeates | showing everything isn't security either |
| 20:02.13 | Battaglin| | hehe |
| 20:02.19 | Battaglin| | cant see the security risk thogh |
| 20:02.27 | Battaglin| | but hey.. sharing is caring |
| 20:03.01 | `Kevin | Battaglin|: deployments gone wrong where an index file is missing might be one example |
| 20:03.19 | Battaglin| | ofc |
| 20:03.22 | `Kevin | but again such things shouldnt be in a documentroot |
| 20:04.00 | Battaglin| | in <Directory /> |
| 20:04.09 | Battaglin| | Options Indexes FOllowSymLinks |
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| 20:04.26 | Battaglin| | AllowOveride None |
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| 20:04.52 | missmbob | Battaglin|: check your spellings |
| 20:05.08 | missmbob | Options Indexes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None |
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| 20:06.02 | johnkeates | do a check too: apache2ctl -t |
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| 20:06.54 | Battaglin| | http://paste.debian.net/791727/ |
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| 20:08.01 | johnkeates | maybe it's the -/+ format |
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| 20:08.15 | johnkeates | try: +Indexes |
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| 20:08.58 | johnkeates | http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DirectoryListings |
| 20:09.05 | Battaglin| | nahh thats ubuntu |
| 20:09.10 | `Kevin | .. |
| 20:10.14 | greycat | Debian is well-known for changing the defaults of Apache httpd. |
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| 20:10.27 | greycat | The Apache channel utterly hates questions from Debian users, I hear, for this reason. |
| 20:10.53 | johnkeates | http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DirectoryListings |
| 20:10.54 | johnkeates | again |
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| 20:12.18 | Nh3xus | completely honest question here : the CentOS folks do those changes too ? |
| 20:12.22 | Battaglin| | +Indexes fails.. apache2 wont start |
| 20:12.33 | Battaglin| | :-( |
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| 20:12.40 | johnkeates | switch to nginx :p |
| 20:12.58 | meowshwitz | Battaglin|: "unknown command or module"? |
| 20:13.13 | pissfrog | Nh3xus, what changes? |
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| 20:13.22 | `Kevin | nothing wrong with apache, not sure why people push for nginx :P |
| 20:13.36 | pissfrog | apache rulz |
| 20:13.51 | Battaglin| | apache2.serviceJob for apache2.service failed. See 'systemctl status apache2.service' and 'journalctl -xn' |
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| 20:13.53 | Nh3xus | pissfrog, default config of Apache |
| 20:13.54 | pissfrog | i have had zero issues with it, except for when i was noob and didn't know squat about it |
| 20:13.59 | Battaglin| | thats when +Indexes is on |
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| 20:14.07 | johnkeates | i like lua scripting in side nginx |
| 20:14.20 | pissfrog | Nh3xus, apache comes pretty standard on EL/CentOS Linux |
| 20:14.26 | pissfrog | i'm using CentOS in production |
| 20:14.38 | Battaglin| | no.. issues is.. I have another setup on a dedi..where it works.. I just spent lots of time comparing now... |
| 20:14.42 | johnkeates | i don't use apache anymore as I can push more requests with nginx |
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| 20:14.50 | pissfrog | the daemon is called httpd, the user and group is apache:apache |
| 20:15.03 | pissfrog | none of this ww-data biz ;) |
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| 20:15.12 | Battaglin| | haha that nick pissfrog |
| 20:15.15 | johnkeates | lighttpd is kind of a weird one, it doesn't offer what apache does but doesn't perform like nginx, so why do people use it |
| 20:15.17 | pr0tocol | Hello, all |
| 20:15.26 | meowshwitz | johnkeates: le hipsters |
| 20:15.37 | `Kevin | apache doesn't perform any worse than nginx if you know what you are doing |
| 20:15.40 | pissfrog | johnkeates, isn't it suited for embedded deployments? |
| 20:15.41 | johnkeates | why would they want lighttpd :p |
| 20:15.48 | johnkeates | well, true |
| 20:15.50 | greycat | lighttpd is very very old. I think some may have tried it as an apache alternative many years back and never switched away. |
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| 20:16.11 | pr0tocol | question, for you fine folks here: i'm unable to install libvirt-bin in debian testing. does it have another installation candidate? |
| 20:16.12 | johnkeates | the bsd httpd seems fun |
| 20:16.25 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 20:16.25 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:16.31 | pissfrog | i was in an interview once and didn't know the answer to the question: "what modes does apache run as" or something like that |
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| 20:16.44 | pissfrog | which was pre-forked and i forget the other mode |
| 20:16.45 | johnkeates | forked, threaded, worker |
| 20:16.58 | pissfrog | see, i'm still a noob |
| 20:17.24 | johnkeates | apache is by no means bad, but i'm not really using it as it's design suits nothing i'm doing anymore |
| 20:17.50 | johnkeates | all my fronts are haproxy, all application servers have their specific things, and varnish is a static cache in between |
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| 20:18.47 | pr0tocol | anyone willing to venture a guess? |
| 20:18.59 | missmbob | pr0tocol: i told you where to go |
| 20:19.20 | johnkeates | pr0tocol: it works fine here, it must be your setup |
| 20:19.24 | johnkeates | check delian-next |
| 20:19.27 | pr0tocol | missmbob: ah, okay. i wasn't aware that it was meant for me |
| 20:20.04 | pr0tocol | missmbob: cheers for that |
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| 20:27.28 | Battaglin| | darn it.. find this very strange |
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| 20:28.09 | pissfrog | ok, so i'm back from lunch, who wants to take a shot at my vsftpd on debian 8.5? |
| 20:28.12 | pissfrog | :) |
| 20:28.47 | Battaglin| | pulls out the luger |
| 20:28.49 | Battaglin| | :D |
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| 20:29.12 | greycat | was going to make a similar joke |
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| 20:29.37 | pissfrog | that sounds extreme |
| 20:30.41 | greycat | !ftpmustdie |
| 20:30.41 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
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| 20:30.55 | missmbob | i wonder if he'll actually say what the question is |
| 20:31.14 | pissfrog | the only way i can log in is if set pam_service_name to ftp and instead of logging me into the custom chroot in /var/www/ it logs me into /home/vsftpd |
| 20:31.36 | pissfrog | i'm already jumping to the issue, sorry |
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| 20:32.06 | missmbob | pissfrog: fyi there is a ##vsftpd |
| 20:32.11 | pissfrog | it's dead |
| 20:32.20 | pissfrog | it's one of those dead channels |
| 20:32.33 | pissfrog | i've been in there for over 2 days now, nobody has responded |
| 20:32.44 | pissfrog | screw it, i'll try another avenue |
| 20:32.48 | greycat | Maybe FTP died. |
| 20:32.53 | pissfrog | i sure hope so |
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| 20:33.33 | pissfrog | what's another way to allow access to /var/www/ to web devs? |
| 20:33.49 | pissfrog | keep in mind that this is not a production machine |
| 20:33.50 | greycat | sftp/scp/ssh |
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| 20:34.29 | pissfrog | in that case they need to be added to the ww-data group in order to write to /var/www |
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| 20:34.47 | greycat | they would need that in any case, yes? |
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| 20:35.17 | pissfrog | not with vsftpd, but that's already a failed procedure |
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| 20:35.40 | Battaglin| | figured it out lol |
| 20:35.44 | greycat | I do not understand why you think that using an ftpd would ocnfer additional privileges onto the users. |
| 20:35.50 | Battaglin| | wont tell it though :D |
| 20:36.10 | pissfrog | you can have sub directories of /var/www/, chroot the sub dirs via htaccess and vsftpd |
| 20:36.44 | greycat | That doesn't change the fact that you need write permissions to write. |
| 20:37.14 | unborn | pissfrog: I suggest you to use ssh (sftp).. if your vsfpd fialed you.. or if you need to use ftp - proftpd will work.. |
| 20:37.25 | pissfrog | ef it, i'm gonna go in via sftp/ssh |
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| 20:37.53 | Battaglin| | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.57 | unborn | htaccess have nothing to do with ftp.. its like you saying pork meat can be mixed with beef - two different things together heh |
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| 20:38.03 | f-a | anyone experiencing firefox not being able to reproduce videos lately? I'd file a report but I cannot reproduce precisely |
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| 20:39.05 | fernie | webdav, apache mod_dav |
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| 20:39.44 | pissfrog | fernie ill look into webdav |
| 20:40.20 | unborn | amateurs always get me in this things.. when asked pros - they never listen, how funny is that :) |
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| 20:41.08 | pissfrog | unborn, firefox works fine, especially after you install nvidia proprietary driver and rid of noveau |
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| 20:41.36 | pissfrog | noveau can only do 720p in HTML5 videos |
| 20:41.48 | unborn | pissfrog: sure.. I am talking about ssh and ftp and somehow that was mixed with htaccess.. |
| 20:42.05 | pissfrog | sorry |
| 20:42.07 | pissfrog | my bad |
| 20:42.15 | jelly | pissfrog: I watch 1080p in chrome with nouveau, what does firefox do wrong? |
| 20:42.26 | unborn | pissfrog: firefox works on my hardware perhaps I am sorry that you run nvidia or something else... im intel here :) |
| 20:42.29 | pissfrog | who was asking about Firefox not working? |
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| 20:43.13 | pissfrog | i should stick to my own issues |
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| 20:43.34 | unborn | pissfrog: ..yeah you should already do so.. |
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| 20:43.36 | unborn | :) |
| 20:43.52 | pissfrog | btw, you can mix beef with pork, it's delicious |
| 20:43.53 | pissfrog | anyhow |
| 20:43.58 | pissfrog | so htaccess |
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| 20:44.05 | unborn | what about it? |
| 20:44.22 | pissfrog | that was one of the components i was using to allow users access to custom sub directories of var/www |
| 20:44.42 | pissfrog | i pretty much followed an online guide which i shouldn't had |
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| 20:45.23 | unborn | pissfrog: you mean for serving sites or files or pages via apache right? what on earth that would have to do with ftpd? |
| 20:45.26 | unborn | i mean ftp |
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| 20:45.47 | roger` | hi, i'm looking for a way to connect to multiple wifi networks from the command line |
| 20:46.01 | roger` | like, keep wlan0 on my a certain network |
| 20:46.12 | roger` | and use wlan1 to connect to whatever other network |
| 20:46.15 | pissfrog | maybe i should start from the top: how do you allow web devs to write directly to var/www when non static sites are involved like let's say php/mysql is also involved? |
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| 20:46.31 | pissfrog | but you do not want those devs to step outside of var/www/subdir1 |
| 20:46.39 | pissfrog | or whatever your subdir is |
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| 20:47.05 | missmbob | git |
| 20:47.14 | `Kevin | got |
| 20:47.23 | pissfrog | for static sites that only involve html/js, they can simply test those in browsers on their own windows machines |
| 20:47.35 | unborn | pissfrog: its easy.. do you have any idea how server and networking things work together? plus other stuff like linux permissions - in server environment... aka groups and owners...??? |
| 20:47.36 | pissfrog | no need to server side |
| 20:47.46 | pissfrog | unborn, yes |
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| 20:48.26 | pissfrog | up until now i've allowed one of them to be part of the apache group so he can write files to var/www/html but that's bad security practice |
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| 20:48.36 | unborn | pissfrog: i doubt it.. otherwise you would not asked that question.. sure.. so you said you do - use virtual environment with proper permissions.. its easy.. you know. |
| 20:49.07 | missmbob | `Kevin: no one listens :/ *walks away* |
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| 20:49.17 | croddy | usually it's a bad idea for the user running the web server process to have write access to the content directory |
| 20:49.25 | unborn | pissfrog: perhaps you let users have its own space from their /home.. just apache settings.. you know that as well right? |
| 20:49.46 | pissfrog | unborn, sorry, i'm not following |
| 20:49.59 | pissfrog | croddy, i know, i've inherited it that way |
| 20:50.01 | teraflops | ~/ |
| 20:50.01 | apt | / is probably home, sweet home |
| 20:50.13 | pissfrog | but i'm not letting them get away with it anymore |
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| 20:50.33 | pissfrog | right now they're uploading to their home dirs, and i rsync the files |
| 20:50.40 | `Kevin | missmbob: :) |
| 20:51.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | roger`, the interfaces can be configured in /etc/network/interfaces . Might be most useful to only configure wlan0 there and have network manager in a user session do the variable one if that has to be switched/decided on manually. there's "man interfaces" to document it⦠what can make it a little complicated to read the docu is, that some things from other packages can be configured there as well when those packages are installed (direction |
| 20:51.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | s for dhcp) |
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| 20:52.21 | unborn | pissfrog: somehow I knew it.. no worries.. you cannot explain something you do not understand, when you asked and said you do understand and know - I spoke to you as you really do.. you cannot follow as it is something you have no idea what I am on about so - please stop wasting time here..you know what I mean.. if you have no issues with debian, then have some beer and youtube or whatever nova days kids use.. |
| 20:53.53 | unborn | ...in short get lost with your rubbish |
| 20:53.54 | pissfrog | unborn, this discussion started as a joke before i went to lunch when a bunch of people started bashing systemd and somebody asked if any of us had something related to debian to talk about. i cannot say i'm having issues with Debian, even though i'm using it extensively for the first time |
| 20:54.27 | pissfrog | it just happens that i tried the setup on Debian |
| 20:54.37 | pissfrog | i'm not even gonna continue with it |
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| 20:55.42 | pissfrog | i did not complain about Debian for one second |
| 20:56.23 | pissfrog | in fact, i'm finding it pretty snappy running on MS Hyper-V which is quite amazing |
| 20:56.38 | `Kevin | walks away |
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| 20:56.49 | jelly | unborn: please don't tell people to "get lost" |
| 20:57.04 | roger` | much thanks |
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| 20:57.09 | pissfrog | jelly, he's an expert and only experts are allowed to ask questions in the channel ;) |
| 20:57.25 | unborn | nods jelly |
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| 20:58.09 | unborn | pissfrog: im hated here.. im not an expert at all.. im just human. have good day/night. |
| 20:58.43 | pissfrog | i almost forgot what about an awesome feature irc has, which is 'ignore' |
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| 20:58.56 | unborn | yeah you right :) |
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| 21:00.02 | jelly | Wobni, Wobni_, Wobni__, Wobni___, w0bni: there's so many of you |
| 21:00.15 | pissfrog | bots galore |
| 21:01.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe there's only one of him but you had a drink or two too many :P |
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| 21:03.37 | jelly | sigh |
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| 21:04.30 | jelly | lol |
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| 21:04.51 | jelly | shouldn't have bothered |
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| 21:06.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | stop playing with the norwegian bots |
| 21:07.38 | pissfrog | out of almost 1700 users in the channel, only less than 10 chat |
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| 21:08.31 | jelly | pissfrog: it's not a chat channel, it's a support one |
| 21:08.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | pissfrog, not sure I got your question, but anyone you want to can just own the files of a sub-tree in /var/www (or anywhere else you configure apache to read files). All that is needed for the webserver to serve it is read permission on the files and execute permission on the directories for the apache user all the way down to / (execute on a directory means "is allowed to change into") |
| 21:08.33 | missmbob | pissfrog: see #debian-offtopic if you want to chat. |
| 21:09.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | wait, a discussion channel. chanserv wouldn't have lied to us on joining |
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| 21:10.06 | jelly | huh |
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| 21:14.59 | pissfrog | CutMeOwnThroat, i think i'll leave it as it is for now, i was trying to learn how to do this properly without affecting the permission in var/www/html. i might just have to learn git even though our operation is too small for something like that |
| 21:15.21 | pissfrog | i currently have 1 guy doing html from time to time |
| 21:15.58 | uhoreg[m] | No operation is too small for git. |
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| 21:16.27 | pissfrog | but i wouldn't mind learning it for the future when i might have a job that would require me to know this kind of stuff |
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| 21:16.53 | missmbob | pissfrog: it couldn't be easier. http://toroid.org/git-website-howto |
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| 21:17.16 | `Kevin | pissfrog: its ideal to use git simply for the revision/commit history at your size |
| 21:17.28 | missmbob | `Kevin: only took an hour :P |
| 21:17.42 | `Kevin | missmbob: haha |
| 21:18.00 | `Kevin | missmbob: indeed |
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| 21:19.07 | roger` | CutMeOwnThroat: i make two wpa_supplicant.conf, wpa_supplicant_wlan0.conf and wpa_supplicant_wlan1.conf |
| 21:19.13 | roger` | should be good |
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| 21:19.48 | roger` | gui network managers give me cold sweats |
| 21:20.20 | roger` | i appreciate the help |
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| 21:21.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I like network managers for (free-ish but passworded) wireless networks⦠writing an entry for each was bothersome |
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| 21:24.02 | roger` | btw, i have not found a way to run redshift on my pi3 |
| 21:24.33 | roger` | i asked on #raspbian with no luck |
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| 21:25.41 | roger` | i don't know why but networks managers always mess with me, tried wicd, tried network manager, not satifying |
| 21:26.01 | Reventlov | why do you need a networkmanager ? |
| 21:26.13 | Reventlov | dhcpcd + wpa_supplicant is enough for 95% of the persons |
| 21:26.26 | unborn | :) |
| 21:26.30 | unborn | good night. |
| 21:27.13 | roger` | good night |
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| 21:27.22 | roger` | Reventlov: yes |
| 21:28.02 | `Kevin | etc/network/interfaces is easier than networkmanager imo |
| 21:28.25 | roger` | yes it seems much more straightforward to make work |
| 21:28.33 | roger` | and reliable |
| 21:29.22 | roger` | i'm gonna need to be 100% sure that machine keeps the link on, because i'm gonna run it far away from home and access only from ssh |
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| 21:41.49 | edju | Problems with printing. Tried hplip 3.14.6 from the repositories but it was a nogo. Should hplip from Jessie Backports - 3.16.5 - work? hp-check says Jessie 8.5 is not supported. |
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| 21:47.56 | roger` | i'm wondering how i pick witch interface is the default used to access the web if i have 3 different interfaces all connected to a different network |
| 21:48.18 | roger` | have a lot to learn about networking |
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| 21:49.40 | fernie | well, if its a simple setup where only one default route needed, no problem |
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| 21:50.46 | roger` | lets say i want to ssh from wlan0 or eth0, and use wlan1 to access the web as an example |
| 21:51.48 | roger` | and share network ressources from wlan1 through openvpn |
| 21:52.39 | roger` | but openvpn would be connected through wlan0 |
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| 21:56.53 | capsloth | is debian stretch still going to ship with linux 4.10 non LTS? |
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| 21:58.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | roger`, you have to decide with your routing table which addresses/networks you access via which interface⦠this isn't by port, but by IP-ranges |
| 21:59.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, stretch |
| 21:59.31 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
| 22:00.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, that seems to be the plan, as they've delayed by to months to wait for 4.10 |
| 22:01.42 | capsloth | why they delayed if no one never said 4.10 was going to be LTS? |
| 22:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | why should that not be long-term? |
| 22:01.47 | capsloth | *ever |
| 22:02.03 | capsloth | because long-term will be 4.9 |
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| 22:05.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea, but I see Ben Hutchings as provider of several long-term kernel.org-kernels in https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html |
| 22:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and he's one of the people maintaining the debian kernel and pops up in a lot of their bug reports |
| 22:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I guess they know what they're doing |
| 22:06.52 | capsloth | Ok |
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| 22:17.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | capsloth, could be a mistake in the wiki⦠where did you get from that 4.9 will be long-term |
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| 22:23.17 | akoy | hi guys! Who remember me about yesterday with problem of root_via_NFS? Server is openSuSe and client is Debian |
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| 22:24.24 | petemc | i do |
| 22:24.29 | petemc | o/ |
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| 22:26.18 | akoy | petemc: hi! |
| 22:26.24 | petemc | yo |
| 22:26.28 | akoy | found the problem about. |
| 22:26.38 | petemc | what was it? |
| 22:26.41 | akoy | *not the solution* |
| 22:26.48 | akoy | http://forum.solid-run.com/linux-on-cubox-i-and-hummingboard-f8/nfs-rootfs-ethernet-dies-during-boot-t2789.html |
| 22:27.20 | akoy | this explains ---> http://forum.solid-run.com/linux-on-cubox-i-and-hummingboard-f8/nfs-rootfs-ethernet-dies-during-boot-t2789.html#p20604 |
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| 22:28.09 | akoy | I don't fully understan slangs of english/american language. And I'm also n00b about Debian. Could you please explain me what should I set in Debian, then? |
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| 22:30.43 | capsloth | CutMeOwnThroat, is official.. google for linux 4.9 LTS |
| 22:30.53 | petemc | akoy: default install should set interface stanza to manual, which is what that post says is solution |
| 22:31.39 | petemc | akoy: which install media did you use? |
| 22:32.02 | capsloth | CutMeOwnThroat, debian will use 4.9 LTS now.. |
| 22:32.30 | akoy | petemc: I dd the *.img to a microSD card |
| 22:32.48 | capsloth | CutMeOwnThroat, lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2016/08/msg00099.html |
| 22:33.04 | akoy | petemc: then the content of the microSD are rsync to my NFS export |
| 22:33.45 | akoy | petemc: I dunno how the SolidRun built the rootfs for the Cubox-I (is ar ARM board) |
| 22:34.09 | petemc | i dont either |
| 22:34.24 | petemc | its not debian? |
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| 22:34.29 | akoy | petemc: yes! |
| 22:34.43 | vitawong | hi, I just wanted to know how libre ASUS C201 <http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/google-asus-c201-11-6-chromebook-navy-blue-rockchip-quad-core-rk3288c-16gb-emmc-2gb-ram-chrome-os-c201pa-bb01-cb/10381806.aspx> can be? I saw it supports Libreboot. |
| 22:35.46 | akoy | petemc: this is the *img file ---> "https://images.solid-build.xyz/IMX6/Debian/sr-imx6-debian-jessie-mate-20160226.img.xz" |
| 22:36.02 | vitawong | I want to run GNU+Linux-libre(Trisquel/Parabola/Debian+XFCE) distro in it. And I have TL-WN722N USB WiFi Adapter. :) |
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| 22:37.31 | petemc | akoy: i dont know anything about the images you use. network boot shit is easy to debug with tcpdump as its not encrypted. use tcpdump |
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| 22:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | capsloth, I see⦠those are from august⦠when you google for linux 4.10, you find news that debian wants to wait for 4.10 because that was predicted to be the next lts kernel |
| 22:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | capsloth, ah, just saw your last link |
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| 22:46.02 | akoy | petemc: gotcha. |
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| 23:32.37 | awal1 | Any workaround for make 'menu' parse .desktop files? |
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| 23:36.45 | Ivoah | What exactly is the "Domain name" in the debian setup? |
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| 23:36.56 | Ivoah | What would happen if it is misconfigured? |
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| 23:39.11 | pingfloyd | Ivoah: are you asking what to set it to? |
| 23:39.19 | Ivoah | pingfloyd: I suppose |
| 23:39.25 | pingfloyd | are you on a registered domain? |
| 23:39.31 | Ivoah | how would I find out |
| 23:39.47 | pingfloyd | you'd have the domain name registered with a registrar if you were |
| 23:39.59 | Ivoah | I'm setting it up with a college network |
| 23:40.00 | pingfloyd | is this just a home network? |
| 23:40.08 | pingfloyd | then likely it is |
| 23:40.22 | pingfloyd | so you want to use their domain name if it is on their network |
| 23:40.32 | Ivoah | What if I were to move the computer to a different network? |
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| 23:40.44 | Ivoah | Would networking still work? |
| 23:41.00 | pingfloyd | if it is a private network of your own, just using domain.test |
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| 23:41.41 | pingfloyd | there's a few other tlds reserved for private networks you can use that will prevent name collisions |
| 23:42.01 | Ivoah | What would happen if I just left it blank? Would things not work? |
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| 23:43.13 | pingfloyd | Ivoah: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2606 |
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| 23:46.16 | Ivoah | pingfloyd: What would happen if I just left it blank? Would things not work? |
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| 23:47.51 | anonrate | Would it be abd if I compiled g++-6 to work with jessie? |
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| 23:52.55 | jim | , checkbackport gcc |
| 23:52.56 | judd | Backporting package gcc in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gcc-6-base (>= 6.1.1-9). |
| 23:53.25 | jim | , checkbackport gcc-6-base |
| 23:53.30 | judd | Backporting package gcc-6-base in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: binutils:native (>= 2.25.90) | binutils-multiarch:native (>= 2.25.90), binutils-hppa64-linux-gnu:native (>= 2.25.90) [hppa amd64 i386 x32], gnat-6:native [!m32r !sh3 !sh3eb !sh4eb !powerpcspe !m68k !mips64 !x32], g++-6:native, libisl-dev (>= 0.14), g++-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, |
| 23:53.31 | judd | gobjc-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gfortran-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gcj-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gdc-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gccgo-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gnat-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>. |
| 23:53.40 | anonrate | Hi jim. :D |
| 23:53.43 | sypher | Woo, that doesn't look fun. |
| 23:54.18 | jim | does that mean you need to backport all that? |
| 23:54.30 | jim | hi |
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| 23:54.51 | jim | ,v gcc |
| 23:54.52 | judd | Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:6.1.1-1; stretch: 4:6.1.1-1 |
| 23:55.33 | jim | it might be easier to run a chroot |
| 23:55.49 | jim | what did you need gcc 6 for? |
| 23:56.01 | anonrate | So I can use c++14 |
| 23:56.15 | anonrate | I want g++ |
| 23:56.25 | anonrate | I wonder if I can do that. |
| 23:56.33 | sypher | anonrate: I think we're still curious as to the why. |
| 23:56.38 | anonrate | . checkbackport g++ |
| 23:56.43 | anonrate | :( |
| 23:56.58 | anonrate | Just because it's the latest standard. |
| 23:57.12 | jim | what do you want to accomplish overall? (it's a comma, and you can also /msg jud checkbackport ...) |
| 23:57.22 | anonrate | Oh. Lol. |
| 23:57.25 | jim | it will msg you back |
| 23:57.48 | anonrate | And umm because I don't want to have to use flags when compiling with c++98 |
| 23:58.04 | anonrate | Or is it c++03 that it currenlty is but experimental support for c++11? |
| 23:58.05 | sypher | This sounds like SNS. |
| 23:58.12 | anonrate | SNS? |
| 23:58.17 | sypher | !sns |
| 23:58.18 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 23:58.26 | anonrate | Yup. Pretty much. |
| 23:58.42 | anonrate | No, actually not pretty much, that's exactly it. |
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| 23:59.26 | jim | that's as good a reason as any as long as you're willing to put in the effort |
| 23:59.41 | sypher | anonrate: Without the slightest amount of sarcasm, I applaud you for your honesty. |
| 23:59.47 | anonrate | Bruh, I have reinstalled my system over 20 times. |
