| 00:00.45 | MrHatter | ok, so a different modem should stop it happening. It's only happening at 2x sites. |
| 00:00.48 | rjsalts | MrHatter: ping is not ssh. If you're using putty then go to the "Connection" section and fill in the "Seconds between keepalives" value |
| 00:01.22 | MrHatter | rjsalts, ah cool, thx I will check it out;. |
| 00:01.30 | rjsalts | MrHatter: I typically put 300/600 seconds |
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| 00:02.42 | MrHatter | There is a checkbox also, 'Enable TCP Keepalives' does this need to be enabled ? as well as the 'seconds between keepalives' ? |
| 00:02.43 | rjsalts | MrHatter: if you're using openssh it's ServerAliveInterval in /etc/ssh/ssh_options or ~/.ssh/options |
| 00:03.56 | MrHatter | rjsalts, in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 00:04.13 | rjsalts | MrHatter: no, sshd_config is for the daemon. This is for the client |
| 00:04.23 | rjsalts | MrHatter: so ssh_config |
| 00:04.27 | MrHatter | rjsalts, ah ok, the client is putty on a windows box. |
| 00:04.34 | rjsalts | yeah |
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| 00:04.53 | MrHatter | rjsalts, thanks for your help. |
| 00:05.52 | rjsalts | the TCP Keepalives is trying to solve a different problem |
| 00:06.39 | rjsalts | assuming it's the same as openssh's TCPKeepalive option. It periodically makes a new TCP connection out of the ssh connection to see if the server is still reachable |
| 00:06.59 | rjsalts | It won't prevent the router from terminating your idle connection |
| 00:07.41 | MrHatter | rjsalts, ok thank you. |
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| 00:10.34 | danny_ | how do you stop your server from going to sleep? |
| 00:12.43 | hassoon | holy moly i removed a whole bunch of packages and now reinstalling them shows up tons of unmet dependencies |
| 00:12.56 | hassoon | what the heck can i do |
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| 00:15.05 | rjsalts | danny_: change the power management profile to always on |
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| 00:15.59 | hassoon | got it, aptitude helped |
| 00:16.23 | danny_ | rjsalts, I'm dumb how exactly do I do this? and is this a good idea or is there a better way I'm missing? My purpose is a small NAS and Backup server just for one computer |
| 00:20.38 | rjsalts | danny_: I usually just use the gui tools in my desktop environment. However if it's NAS/backup server and you don't want to install one then there are cli driven alternatives |
| 00:21.27 | danny_ | rjsalts, Yeah, its a backup server, I put openmediavault on it for a web interface but it doesn't seem to offer that option |
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| 00:21.44 | rjsalts | danny_: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/upower might be suitable |
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| 00:24.20 | danny_ | rjsalts, I'll look into that, Honestly openmediavault seems to be crapping the bed so I might be switching to freeNAS or something anyway |
| 00:24.45 | danny_ | or just rolling a lower level debian server |
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| 00:29.03 | moon_man | Hey guys it moonman here and we gonna kill some niggers today! |
| 00:29.05 | moon_man | killing niggers |
| 00:29.08 | moon_man | killing niggers spics and Jews |
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| 00:30.02 | moon_man | killing niggers |
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| 00:31.05 | Hello71 | do you really have nothing better to do with your life than be stupid on the internet |
| 00:31.29 | Dredge | wow, you can copy and paste, i severly underestimated you |
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| 00:38.45 | hassoon | Hello71: than being * |
| 00:39.48 | Hello71 | hassoon: not if "be stupid" is an activity |
| 00:40.01 | Hello71 | similar to "than go somewhere" |
| 00:40.04 | hassoon | Hello71: correcting your grammar brah |
| 00:40.20 | Hello71 | actually I'm not sure that either are right... it's late here. |
| 00:40.29 | hassoon | it's what ? |
| 00:40.54 | Hello71 | actually, yeah, "to be" would be right, like "than to go" |
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| 02:04.37 | nonymous | hello friendos - installing debian on a thinkpad and I fail at the part to install the base system - why so? using the netinst amd64 iso, I have it on both USB flash drive and burned onto a disc. |
| 02:04.54 | nonymous | I used rufus to put it onto the usb |
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| 02:07.57 | missmbob | nonymous: dont do that. rufus fucks it up |
| 02:07.59 | missmbob | !rufus |
| 02:07.59 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 02:08.03 | missmbob | nonymous: see? ^ |
| 02:08.13 | missmbob | !win32diskimager |
| 02:08.14 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 02:08.20 | missmbob | nonymous: use that ^ on windows |
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| 04:14.51 | malice95_ | #Can anyone explain to me how to install propietary drivers for my wireless card? |
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| 04:25.59 | ryouma | i have noticed that weather(1) no longer works. it seems to get 404 at http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/decoded. is this something that would be fixed with updates or bug fixing? |
| 04:26.17 | ryouma | the url is actually decoded/(station) |
| 04:26.28 | NapoleonDynamite | weather apps on linux break all the time |
| 04:26.35 | NapoleonDynamite | stuff gets changed server side |
| 04:26.42 | ryouma | NapoleonDynamite: this one worked for quite a while |
| 04:26.51 | ryouma | do you think it will be fixed? |
| 04:27.06 | NapoleonDynamite | if the app maintainers do it, I guess |
| 04:27.28 | NapoleonDynamite | it happens to the xfce weather app all the time |
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| 04:28.30 | mtcj | Do people want reports of crashes when using proprietary graphics drivers? |
| 04:29.14 | themill | ryouma: I've seen patches for that floating around with the intention of updating the relevant packages in jessie |
| 04:30.05 | ryouma | oh great, thanisk |
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| 04:37.41 | jair | hello all hope you are having a good day |
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| 04:38.08 | jair | I am trying to practice regular expressions and wildcards to delete/clean some files |
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| 04:40.16 | jair | if I want to be able to delete the following files FSS.2016-08-28 EBS.2016-08-28 CNX.2016-08-28 there are many of them and I want to just delete those three types starting with FSS. CNX. EBS. and just the date 2016-08-28 |
| 04:41.24 | jair | I tried this: rm -i CNX.2016-08-28-21* and was able to delete the files starting with CNX and the date only |
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| 04:44.34 | madprops | when people say debian is returning to ffmpeg instead of libav .. . does it mean it will be in jessie as well? |
| 04:45.02 | jelly | madprops: you can get the ffmpeg binary from jessie-backports |
| 04:45.08 | themill | madprops: no, packages in stable releases don't change like that. ffmpeg is in jessie-backports though if you really need it rather than libav-tools |
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| 04:46.29 | jelly | dpkg, tell madprops about jessie-backports |
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| 04:47.19 | madprops | please dpkg |
| 04:47.24 | madprops | oh he did |
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| 05:11.05 | agazed | Just switched from debian to ubuntu muahaha |
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| 05:11.20 | PleaseReadThis | Is anyone awake and active here? |
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| 05:11.25 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 05:11.55 | Gryllida | hi agazed, PleaseReadThis, darxmurf :) |
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| 05:12.40 | Gryllida | agazed: you're welcome to join #ubuntu and forget this channel (mostly) -- it doesn't support anything ubuntu, so your participation would be limited to memories, searching around, and some things which the distro share (you would have to guess) |
| 05:12.42 | PleaseReadThis | So what's the difference between debian and Ubuntu? |
| 05:13.02 | PleaseReadThis | FYI please turn on your client's logging |
| 05:13.23 | Gryllida | PleaseReadThis, agazed: the debian group doesn't task itself with knowing the differences. we prefer to not know what the derivatives changed. ask them, please. |
| 05:13.43 | PleaseReadThis | I have gotten onto irc in order to say something. I've received a tip that there is a possibility that I could be raided by the police. And by raided I mean tactical vests, shot guns, etc. |
| 05:14.27 | Gryllida | Ok, ask ##law about it |
| 05:14.38 | PleaseReadThis | Is anyone aware of a website that I can use to send an email or make a file viewable publically after a specified period of time? |
| 05:14.39 | Gryllida | darxmurf: what's up? :) |
| 05:15.31 | Gryllida | PleaseReadThis: what file type? |
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| 06:14.02 | Storfiskaren | Hey guys, are there some special mount options you need to be able to execute scripts from a mounted medium? I have this problem right now. I can execute the scripts with sh and bash, but running them with ./ doesn't work. |
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| 06:15.29 | BenNZ | Storfiskaren: use the exec option ie use mount -o exec |
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| 06:16.09 | Storfiskaren | I have defined the mount point in /etc/fstab |
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| 06:18.04 | BenNZ | Storfiskaren: what options have you set so far , defaults should allow exec |
| 06:18.16 | Storfiskaren | BenNZ: That does work mounting it manually. |
| 06:18.51 | BenNZ | Storfiskaren: whats the line for your mount ? |
| 06:18.52 | Storfiskaren | I have these options defined:"errors=remount-ro,nofail,user" |
| 06:19.17 | Storfiskaren | BenNZ: I.e. I haven't set "defaults". |
| 06:19.43 | BenNZ | Storfiskaren: ok add exec to the end of that |
| 06:19.49 | Storfiskaren | BenNZ: The old mount point I have didn't have the "defaults" option either, but there, it used to work. |
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| 06:21.38 | Storfiskaren | BenNZ: That did the trick. Thanks a lot! |
| 06:21.47 | BenNZ | Storfiskaren: no problem |
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| 07:09.38 | dionysus69 | why firefox developer's edition is not in testing repos? |
| 07:11.02 | stoned | dionysus69, you ddin't package it yet |
| 07:11.10 | jelly | dionysus69: because debian tracks the ESR branch in the distro, look at /msg dpkg mdn |
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| 07:12.39 | dionysus69 | thanks jelly :) |
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| 07:45.10 | stoned | *facepalm* |
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| 07:47.49 | unborn | !ops agazed bad commands |
| 07:47.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: unborn complains about: agazed bad commands |
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| 08:30.25 | lzap | hello guys, I am trying to find a package which carries \EFI\debian\grubx64.efi file |
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| 08:30.46 | lzap | I mean I understand it is being deployed by the installer, but is there a way to get it from debian repos? |
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| 08:31.33 | jim | lzap, note, unix directory separators are "/" (not "\", which is typical of windows) |
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| 08:31.59 | lzap | sure I pasted this from https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI |
| 08:32.14 | lzap | this is a path on ESP |
| 08:32.25 | jim | it's not in the grub2 package? |
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| 08:33.00 | Rephlexie | grub2? |
| 08:33.03 | Rephlexie | ^ |
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| 08:33.24 | [[]] | if i'm going to install debian is it a good idea to stock up on installers for programs i have |
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| 08:34.02 | [[]] | so that i can just copy 'em over when the Happening occures |
| 08:34.06 | [[]] | occurs* |
| 08:34.21 | lzap | jim: I don't think so, Debian Package Search wont find it |
| 08:34.56 | jim | tell me again what you're looking for? |
| 08:35.05 | lzap | grubx64.efi |
| 08:35.12 | lzap | Grub2 EFI firmware |
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| 08:35.41 | lzap | I am a redhatter but writing a patch to theforeman.org which brings UEFI support and in redhat we do have grub2-efi package :-D |
| 08:35.58 | lzap | we also support debian so jumped in after wasted hour of searching around :D |
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| 08:36.09 | visualshock | my laptop just switch audio output to hdmi from aux. how do I set it back to aux? |
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| 08:36.30 | jim | apparantly that file is not in any debian package... maybe it could be in a file with a different name under debian? |
| 08:36.55 | lzap | yeah that's what I think |
| 08:37.01 | meldron | hey guys, can you tell me the prefered way of autostarting programs/scripts after the window manager loaded completly? |
| 08:37.07 | lzap | debian-installer package looks like a candidate |
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| 08:38.08 | lzap | hmmm no .efi file there |
| 08:38.26 | OerHeks | https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall >> apt-get install grub-efi |
| 08:38.35 | lzap | oh |
| 08:38.56 | jim | lzap, I seem to have a /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI |
| 08:39.12 | OerHeks | or the main page https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI |
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| 08:39.52 | brontosaurusrex | A simple/fast gui rss reader? |
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| 08:40.09 | jim | lzap, and I converted to uefi boot after this debian was installed, on a system not capable of uefi boot |
| 08:40.14 | lzap | OerHeks: hmm these seeem to be dummy packages https://packages.debian.org/jessie/grub-efi |
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| 08:41.17 | lzap | ha looks like this is it https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/grub-efi-amd64-bin/filelist |
| 08:43.36 | lzap | ok that works, I think I need to call grub-install to build the efi binary |
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| 08:43.53 | lzap | I dont want to actually install it, I just want to build the efi firmware and deploy it onto the TFTP server |
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| 08:50.03 | stoned | brontosaurusrex: RSS OWL |
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| 08:55.46 | brontosaurusrex | stoned: Thanks, I think I will go with cli newsbeuter |
| 08:55.54 | brontosaurusrex | (in repos) |
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| 08:55.59 | stoned | canto is nice |
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| 08:56.28 | gokuls | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.47 | brontosaurusrex | stoned: but not in repos right? |
| 08:56.55 | stoned | no |
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| 08:57.56 | MaBunny | gokuls change your password asap |
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| 08:58.20 | MaBunny | and try to login from server window |
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| 08:59.37 | stoned | brontosaurusrex: try this |
| 09:00.28 | stoned | brontosaurusrex: as root: apt-get install python-dev; pip install canto |
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| 09:01.43 | stoned | brontosaurusrex: man canto |
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| 09:02.27 | stoned | brontosaurusrex: if you consider ncurses a gui |
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| 09:04.29 | stoned | brontosaurusrex: then edit/create ~/.canto/conf and add a line add("link to rss feed here") |
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| 09:05.03 | brontosaurusrex | stoned: didn't work, and from the page it seems Jessie is not supported (sid|trusty|utopic|vivid|wily|xenial) |
| 09:05.25 | stoned | I'm on jessie |
| 09:05.38 | max_double | Does anybody know if it's possible to install udev rules for a specific user? Like in .config/**. |
| 09:06.03 | max_double | ~/.config/** that is. :) |
| 09:06.17 | brontosaurusrex | stoned: and it installed fine? |
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| 09:06.33 | stoned | http://i.imgur.com/eeA25vQ.png |
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| 09:07.16 | stoned | as root: I did pip install canto; but I got an error about python.h so I installed the dev lib and then tried again and it was installed fine |
| 09:07.32 | stoned | Then I fed it some Cannabis feed |
| 09:07.45 | stoned | And now it's high in successfully giving me stories. |
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| 09:10.13 | jelly | avoid "pip install" as root, even as a joke, use a virtualenv and a normal user |
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| 09:10.45 | stoned | really? |
| 09:10.46 | stoned | how come |
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| 09:11.46 | jelly | it's too easy to mess up the system python |
| 09:11.51 | stoned | I agree, use venv containers, but why not |
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| 09:11.56 | stoned | eh. I guess |
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| 09:12.17 | stoned | I don't really consider anything a possible problem, nothing I can't handle but yeah. I guess so. |
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| 09:13.26 | jelly | stoned: it doesn't matter what you can handle when giving advice, what matters is whether people reading it can deal with consequences |
| 09:13.44 | stoned | Sure, but I never thought of that until JUST now. |
| 09:13.55 | stoned | I never thought it would be an issue for anyone. *shrug* |
| 09:14.08 | stoned | And I still don't see why, but I'm not inquring or arguing. |
| 09:14.15 | stoned | you say it can, I'll just take your word for it. |
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| 09:14.33 | stoned | How and why it could mess it up, I'm not interested in going into that. |
| 09:14.44 | jelly | k |
| 09:15.29 | stoned | When it does mess up my system, I'll see/learn first hand. |
| 09:15.31 | stoned | :) |
| 09:15.43 | stoned | It's the experience that matters. :) I think anyway. |
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| 09:18.22 | brontosaurusrex | stoned, Well, ill stick with newsbeuter < in repos (Doesnt seem especially bright, but that is a feature I guess) |
| 09:18.41 | stoned | srue, man |
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| 09:19.53 | stoned | brontosaurusrex: check out liferea (in repo) |
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| 09:20.39 | brontosaurusrex | And I just realized that my Jekyll blog actually produces all-posts rss, so this will be a nice google replacement as well. |
| 09:20.45 | stoned | I use Hugo! |
| 09:20.50 | stoned | https://stoned.io |
| 09:20.59 | stoned | How is jekyll? How much do you have to mess with ruby? |
| 09:21.08 | stoned | what's your blog |
| 09:21.12 | stoned | lemme see! |
| 09:21.28 | brontosaurusrex | stoned: in notice |
| 09:22.05 | brontosaurusrex | stoned: I dont even know what ruby is |
| 09:22.15 | stoned | jekyll is written in ruby |
| 09:22.18 | stoned | iirc |
| 09:22.26 | Nephilim | hi |
| 09:22.29 | stoned | So I guess you don't have to. I'll check that out |
| 09:22.36 | stoned | someone else told me of it also. |
| 09:22.44 | brontosaurusrex | I just took a skin/template and changed some details |
| 09:22.50 | stoned | let me see |
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| 09:26.02 | stoned | Oh you sent it on a irc notice thing |
| 09:26.04 | stoned | doh. |
| 09:26.55 | stoned | cool |
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| 09:31.14 | unborn | stoned: like your site ;) |
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| 09:31.37 | stoned | ty |
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| 09:33.15 | unborn | stoned: btw you should have look at your code.. my system went up on cpu to 94% all the times until I closed your site...just friendly note from fellow coder ;) |
| 09:33.33 | stoned | Yeah, it's particles.js |
| 09:35.25 | unborn | stoned: could be.. Ive done some particles code for my new site which I will deploy on xmass and it does not eat that much.. however they move but not interactive with users input devices.. imagine someone came there with mobile/tablet, he would be out of battery in 10 minutes from full or device would have to be rebooted.. |
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| 09:36.12 | unborn | anyway its clean and neat stoned, articles seems to have point as well.. I will visit it from time to time |
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| 09:37.33 | stoned | I'm trying to lower the particle count and turn off interactivity with the mouse |
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| 09:38.20 | [[]] | uh |
| 09:38.29 | [[]] | so kde > gnome ã§ãã? |
| 09:38.37 | stoned | hu? |
| 09:38.48 | stoned | some like gnome > kde |
| 09:38.51 | stoned | it's whatever, bro |
| 09:39.00 | unborn | ... i mean on i5 with 12gigs ram - for single website to attach 94% eating cpu is ill advised.. perhaps you like the particles - you can disable them from loading on mobile devices (if you use bootstrap or something) .. on pc as my machine is not that bad at all.. I dont mind ;) |
| 09:39.06 | stoned | I personally despise GTK and gnome. I love KDE/Qt |
| 09:39.08 | [[]] | oh wait i meant to ask that in another channel |
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| 09:39.13 | [[]] | ha!! |
| 09:39.27 | [[]] | sorry i didnt mean to ask a blatantly flamewar inciting question |
| 09:39.29 | ransur0t | reads the file list of package python-rgain and realizes the cli usage is 'replaygain *.mp3', ? answered |
| 09:39.43 | unborn | [[]]: its fine, ask here or there :) |
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| 09:40.16 | brontosaurusrex | Just tested plasma 5.6.something the other day, way better than gnome imho |
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| 09:40.31 | brontosaurusrex | Mostly openbox user thought |
| 09:41.08 | [[]] | https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/inkscape |
| 09:41.14 | [[]] | so i don't get this |
| 09:41.19 | [[]] | why are there so many dependencies |
| 09:41.39 | [[]] | will it really NOT WORK AT ALL unless i have the "GNU Aspell spell-checker runtime library"? |
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| 09:42.52 | unborn | [[]]: i dont meant to be rude, but perhaps you could ask inkscape devs this.. |
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| 09:43.14 | [[]] | Okay so background: I have literally never done a Linux thing before |
| 09:43.29 | [[]] | I mean but that's what "requires" implies right? |
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| 09:44.21 | unborn | [[]]: ah.. so well.. those dependencies is something which programs usually share.. for example that aspell or spell-checker is used even for xchat or hexachat client and office package etc.. its normal.. |
| 09:44.33 | [[]] | ok |
| 09:44.43 | [[]] | so i'm not going to install "debian" and get totally screwed by having these |
| 09:44.55 | unborn | [[]]: ..and welcome to linux :) |
| 09:45.05 | [[]] | :-) |
| 09:45.18 | stoned | Welcome to hell |
| 09:45.27 | unborn | you can install any distro you like, linux works generally in same way.. what ever distro it is.. |
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| 09:47.06 | unborn | linux is not hell.. its beautiful. windows 10 is hello to hell :) (I love windows dont get me wrong, I make money on that bad os so save your insulting or comments haters vs funs - its just the lifestyle) |
| 09:47.44 | cbarbieri | Windows Subsystem of Linux might prove to be handy though |
| 09:47.56 | petn-randall | [[]]: Also you don't have to install them all by hand, the package manager will take of all those details. So you can either run 'apt-get install inkscape' or do it with the GUI tool, and you're done. The dependencies are pretty much irrelevant for end users, but Linux generally doesn't hide those things. |
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| 09:48.07 | petn-randall | *take care |
| 09:48.24 | stoned | well if you install from backports it will also install the required dependencies from backprots if theyr'e inthere |
| 09:48.29 | stoned | which they would be, since it's been backported. |
| 09:48.32 | unborn | [[]]: btw you dont have to be scared of debian.. I would suggest if you would install virtualbox and try various distros including debian in virtual machine - to just get look and feel what it is |
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| 09:50.16 | brontosaurusrex | stoned: hugo in ruby as well? |
| 09:50.45 | brontosaurusrex | go? |
| 09:52.02 | brontosaurusrex | stoned: And i like your page, how much are this .io domains this days? |
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| 09:56.28 | unborn | [[]]: ive been using linuxmint, ubunntu and various others.. one distro which was quiet good for me was gentoo - everything had to be done manually - actually that was my first distro in my life - it was catastrophe :) but since gentoo trial times for me - I went to server environment and for some reasons I discovered debian.. since debian 5 - I have been using it and cannot say any single bad word..its best thing in universe for server. After some |
| 09:56.28 | unborn | annoying stuff on ubuntu (4 years on that OS) I decided, I want that security and stability on desktops/laptops so I left ubuntu for good and I cannot be happier. Ubuntu is just debian unstable with some crappy things on top of it but in end of the day, its debian based, so if something is not working for you or you dont know how.. ask us here, you will found out its not that hard.. its just the 'how you get used to it' thingy.. same as windows ;) |
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| 09:57.17 | qe | Could my computer run Debian if at all? https://postimg.org/image/orezhftn7/ |
| 09:57.55 | unborn | qe: graphics? |
| 09:58.03 | qe | gtx 1070 |
| 09:58.15 | unborn | what is gtx? nvdia? |
| 09:58.23 | unborn | *nvidia |
| 09:58.27 | qe | yeah |
| 09:58.40 | unborn | qe i think so.. |
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| 09:59.13 | unborn | qe I do not use nvidia products since 2008 so.. you would have to install some drivers but it should run nicely |
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| 10:00.21 | unborn | brontosaurusrex: io domains are cheap but not that cheap as .com.. I think you can goolge it right? |
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| 10:01.01 | cart_man | hi everyone... Where can I start looking for tutorials on how to set up Qt4.8 for cross compilation... the target will be a RiotBoard with Debian Wheezy on it |
| 10:01.35 | petn-randall | qe: Server CPU but gamer graphics card? |
| 10:01.52 | unborn | cart_man: consider to update your thingy to debian * |
| 10:01.55 | unborn | *8 |
| 10:02.23 | qe | I normally use a firepro but I was debugging something related to it |
| 10:02.24 | brontosaurusrex | unborn: Yeah, I did google it and didn't like the prices. |
| 10:02.45 | cart_man | unborn: Well I have received hardware with parameters soo I am pretty much stuck with Wheezy |
| 10:02.48 | unborn | petn-randall: yeah - some users do have it in home.. there are tons of crap ''how to build gaming pc'' tuts which does say - crap.. so its kind of expected |
| 10:03.07 | unborn | brontosaurusrex: well that is what it is :) |
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| 10:03.53 | unborn | cart_man: I see.. wheezy is out.. you know.. I think debian 8 would work for you on same hardware as debian 7 did.. |
| 10:07.10 | unborn | or do |
| 10:08.20 | unborn | cart_man: perhaps you cannot update for some reason - have look on utube.. |
| 10:11.01 | meldron | hey guys, i have a problem with gdm3, if I try to type in my password upon first login, the input textbox only allows me to type on char, than goes out of focus, so I have to activate the box for every char, anybody had a similar problem? |
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| 10:14.58 | OrbsTheorem | do you know about any program that can record vnc sessions? |
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| 10:16.46 | unborn | OrbsTheorem: sure.. kazam or gnome native recording tools |
| 10:17.04 | unborn | I mean easy screen cast |
| 10:17.29 | unborn | I use it daily - great tools |
| 10:17.42 | ransur0t | vlc? |
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| 10:18.13 | unborn | ransur0t: yes and vlc.. however you will need modified command to see the mouse on your own - its important too.. |
| 10:18.29 | SynrG | allegedly gvncviewer contains gvnccapture, the name of which suggests it can do this. |
| 10:18.39 | SynrG | though i have not looked deeper into it nor tried it |
| 10:18.49 | unborn | but for fastest results kazam or easy screen cast would be the best :) |
| 10:19.07 | SynrG | humm. https://manned.org/gvnccapture |
| 10:19.14 | SynrG | looks like it is merely a screenshot capture utility |
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| 10:19.54 | unborn | screenshot caputers is not - good |
| 10:19.56 | SynrG | i have used pyvnc2swf successfully in the past. |
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| 10:20.07 | SynrG | however, swf is a horrible format. might want to convert it |
| 10:20.41 | unborn | SynrG: yeah.. mp4 or mpg is greater then swf.. |
| 10:20.52 | unborn | *better |
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| 10:25.46 | odish | hi ! when you install something through apt-get, let's say apache, does it also enable port 80 and 443 in iptables? |
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| 10:26.31 | themill | no |
| 10:27.44 | odish | ah ok, i tried to install iredmail yesterday and somehow it screwed with my iptables on my server and i had to manually open some ports again because some services didn't work |
| 10:27.55 | OrbsTheorem | unborn: I don't use gnome, do you know the name of such tools? |
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| 10:28.19 | themill | odish: there are no iptables rules at all, by default |
| 10:28.39 | odish | oh |
| 10:28.43 | OrbsTheorem | vlc :o, I'll try that |
| 10:28.49 | odish | can i paste my table here ? |
| 10:29.11 | odish | because there is also a "accept all" rule in there, together with specific port accept rules, dunno how that works |
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| 10:30.24 | unborn | OrbsTheorem: sure.. kazam - if unable to install you could do search for command line command to record your desk and phased out as mp4.. as mentioned vlc does the thingy pretty very well |
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| 10:31.56 | unborn | odish: well it depends what you did install.. if ordinary apache and you want server files for example just open port to machines ip 80.. if you would like to use https sure open 443.. |
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| 10:32.17 | unborn | ports must be always grounded'' to ip of the machine |
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| 10:32.28 | odish | unborn, oh yeah i realise that, but i got a rule that accepts all ports there too |
| 10:33.44 | unborn | odish: you mean dmz? - just reset your iptables to accept all traffic and use hardware firewall.. or use iptables to secure your self with fail2ban and other stuff.. its a bit advanced topic - you know.. |
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| 10:34.57 | petn-randall | unborn: How does a hardware firewall solve odish's problem? They still need to configure it just like a software one. |
| 10:35.37 | odish | http://pastebin.com/Fs87XUEW |
| 10:35.44 | odish | this is my iptables |
| 10:36.00 | odish | see those first accept all rules? |
| 10:36.00 | petn-randall | odish: The output of what command exactly? |
| 10:36.20 | unborn | odish: if that is your server for whatever usage......install fail2ban.. deploy ssh keys for ssh - and only for you - and leave iptables open.. - in fail2ban - it depends from what are you running.. once again - enable it and change ban time to 24 hours or more for offended ip.. enable ssh.. sasl, dovecot - all instances - apache ddos and usual things.. |
| 10:36.21 | odish | iptables -L -n |
| 10:36.32 | unborn | this will automate things for you.. easy |
| 10:36.49 | themill | unborn: please stop talking nonsense and pretending to help |
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| 10:37.11 | odish | i understand what he's trying to say but it's not really an answer to my question xD |
| 10:37.12 | odish | thank though |
| 10:37.15 | petn-randall | odish: Can you show the output of 'iptables -L -vn'? That will also show the hit counters. |
| 10:37.21 | unborn | petn-randall: sorry I did not seen this.. sure.. if that firewall is running on debian then.. :) |
| 10:37.43 | unborn | themill: nonsense? - sure. |
| 10:37.56 | unborn | odish: good luck |
| 10:38.11 | SynrG | odish: i don't understand what installing iredmail has to do with installing via apt-get. that is, you asked in the abstract if iptables rules were enabled by installing, e.g., apache. however, if you're installing something 3rd party, we can't know what they do in their maintainer scripts. |
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| 10:38.50 | SynrG | so while in general, no, installing software on debian doesn't mess with iptables, what 3rd party packages do is not limited by good sense or debian policy |
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| 10:38.54 | odish | SynrG, i asked this to know if packages add their own rules in the ip tables when being installed |
| 10:39.06 | SynrG | they don't if they are debian packages, no |
| 10:39.11 | odish | ok thanks |
| 10:39.37 | SynrG | i.e. i mean "packages from debian.org" vs. 3rd party |
| 10:40.30 | SynrG | your question relating to apt-get confused me, because 3rd-party software might also have repositories you could install from via apt-get |
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| 10:40.55 | SynrG | so, how you actually install the software doesn't clearly distinguish between official debian.org vs third-party |
| 10:41.01 | unborn | themill: I take it as an bad joke from you anyway I was advising right way to secure any and possibly usual way to get into server - can you tell me where and in what I did failed the user? |
| 10:41.05 | SynrG | if you meant software from debian.org, you should say so explicitly :) |
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| 10:41.32 | themill | unborn: nothing you said was actually relevant to the questions asked. As usual. |
| 10:42.27 | odish | SynrG yeah sorry, just trying to understand how stuff works so i can pinpoint my problem from yesterday |
| 10:42.31 | unborn | themill: really? - as usual, sure. - thank you for your relevant output. have good day. |
| 10:42.45 | odish | why did you need the hitcounters on my iptables though? |
| 10:43.54 | SynrG | odish: additionally, if you were concerned about what the maintainer scripts for your third-party software did, you could like in /var/lib/dpkg/info to find said scripts |
| 10:45.02 | odish | does it store all ran scripts ? |
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| 10:45.18 | odish | looking there now but i only see lists, md5sums, symbol, etc files |
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| 10:45.35 | Rephlexie | odish, looks like the installer added accept rules "just in case", you dont have any drop rules so no worries. |
| 10:46.07 | SynrG | odish: if it had a script, it would be there (.preinst, .postinst, etc.) |
| 10:47.07 | odish | Rephlexie, in the upper left corner i see this "drop policy" though, and my some services timed out when trying to connect until i added the seperate rules |
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| 10:48.09 | Rephlexie | odish, ahh was just lookin at your pastepin. |
| 10:48.25 | odish | yeah, thanks :D |
| 10:48.41 | SynrG | odish: that being said, the software might have its own configuration thing, distinct from debian maintainer scripts |
| 10:49.17 | odish | that's what i'm trying to figure out, why my services didn't work even though there is a "accept all" rule on top, and i had to accept a specific port for my service to work again |
| 10:49.52 | unborn | restart the services after you apply your rules.. always. |
| 10:50.10 | odish | that didn't matter much i saw |
| 10:51.16 | unborn | so you did write rules in wrong or perhaps.... i do not know. |
| 10:52.02 | odish | ¯\(o_o)/¯ |
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| 11:59.46 | jelly | HaMsTeRs: :1.0 is an unusual display value, which debian release are you using and which gpu and driver? |
| 12:00.51 | HaMsTeRs | Linux kali 3.4.112-cyanogenmod- #3 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 12 19:57:27 CDT 2016 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 12:01.03 | HaMsTeRs | Hi Jelly, thanks for your reply |
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| 12:02.03 | jelly | HaMsTeRs: that looks like kali, inside a chroot, on a phone |
| 12:02.16 | HaMsTeRs | Yep, that's correct |
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| 12:02.39 | jelly | a) no wonder the X server is limited b) wrong channel dude |
| 12:02.49 | jelly | !kali |
| 12:02.49 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 12:03.02 | RoyK | hm.. looking at a friend's computer, he just got 4x 4GB memory modules, which should fit fine in his MS-7613 mobo, and although both BIOS and dmidecode sees all the DIMMs, Linux only sees 8GB memory. dmidecode -t memory: http://paste.debian.net/794781/ dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/794782/ |
| 12:03.07 | RoyK | any ideas? |
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| 12:03.35 | jelly | RoyK: upgrade bios. |
| 12:04.15 | RoyK | seems AndyOslo found a BIOS, but it was only available as a win32 executable :P |
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| 12:07.58 | meowshwitz | DDR2? what kind of old box is this |
| 12:08.13 | meowshwitz | 10.573000] nouveau [ DRM] VRAM: 1536 MiB |
| 12:08.16 | meowshwitz | intredasting |
| 12:08.34 | meowshwitz | RoyK: probably should upgrade the kernel too |
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| 12:09.06 | RoyK | meowshwitz: are you sure? it's a standard jessie kernel |
| 12:09.26 | meowshwitz | shrugs |
| 12:09.29 | meowshwitz | I run sid ;P |
| 12:10.27 | RoyK | meowshwitz: dmidecode says DDR3 |
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| 12:12.34 | meowshwitz | RoyK: upgrade bios and kernel |
| 12:12.42 | RoyK | why the kernel? |
| 12:13.02 | jelly | !SNS |
| 12:13.03 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 12:13.10 | RoyK | jelly++ |
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| 12:13.52 | meowshwitz | RoyK: because very often these issues get fixed in latest kernels, I had such adventures with wireless drivers, ethernet drivers, video drivers etc |
| 12:14.01 | jelly | RoyK: just for fun, can memtest86++ see and test the whole ram? |
| 12:14.49 | RoyK | AndyOslo: can you check? |
| 12:15.04 | RoyK | meowshwitz: I *really* don't think this is a kernel issue |
| 12:15.09 | jelly | meowshwitz: none of those issues are related to ram map that kernel inherits from acpi bios pretty much as-is |
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| 12:15.45 | meowshwitz | jelly: oh, didn't know it does that |
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| 12:16.13 | meowshwitz | what'd happen if you disabled acpi at boot? |
| 12:16.24 | jelly | !tias |
| 12:16.24 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 12:16.56 | meowshwitz | indeed, though I'm not the one with the problem |
| 12:17.38 | jelly | there's one or two older BIOS APIs to get memory map from IIRC |
| 12:17.51 | MaBunny | does debian support this model: http://www.acer.com/ac/en/IN/content/model/NX.MZ8SI.009 |
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| 12:18.35 | JyZyXEL | what is the current best practice for running 4.7.2 on debian jessie? |
| 12:18.52 | jelly | JyZyXEL: wait until it appears in jessie-backports, probably |
| 12:18.57 | JyZyXEL | should i use kernel.org stable git branch or should i use: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/kernel/linux.git? |
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| 12:20.31 | JyZyXEL | jelly: im sick and tired of waiting meanwhile my main desktop keeps deadlocking almost every day |
| 12:20.50 | MaBunny | guys? |
| 12:21.12 | MaBunny | it comes with a Linux Os called Linpus |
| 12:21.36 | jelly | MaBunny: debian doesn't support any specific hw config. Figure out which components are in there, then investigate how wel they are supported with linux |
| 12:21.51 | MaBunny | ok |
| 12:22.04 | jelly | MaBunny: see if google has "lspci -nn" and "lsusb" output for that particular model |
| 12:22.22 | MaBunny | but if it already supports linux(here linpus) then it should support any variety of linux? |
| 12:22.31 | MaBunny | ok |
| 12:22.49 | jelly | sadly that doesn't have to be correct |
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| 12:23.30 | MaBunny | hmm |
| 12:23.43 | MaBunny | so any of you havent tried tht model? |
| 12:23.55 | MaBunny | google doesnt show anything jelly |
| 12:24.08 | MaBunny | idk how to search for it (for tht model) |
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| 12:24.29 | RoyK | meowshwitz: if you have the machine, just try a live usb thing on it |
| 12:24.36 | RoyK | MaBunny: that was for you, not meowshwitz |
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| 12:27.06 | jelly | MaBunny: then search for the most similar one, https://www.google.com/#safe=off&q=ES1-531+lspci |
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| 12:28.14 | jelly | wl for wireless does not seem like a good choice, other stuff looks passable |
| 12:28.36 | MaBunny | ok |
| 12:29.08 | MaBunny | i had decided to buy a laptop,and this one was what my father had chosen,so i asked |
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| 12:29.43 | Ange7 | Hey all |
| 12:29.58 | MaBunny | so jelly,you are saying the wireless on tht hardware would give me troubles? |
| 12:29.59 | Ange7 | someone know if is it possible to install bios upgrade from Windows USB stick ? |
| 12:30.31 | jelly | well, if it was me I'd go for a second-hand thinkpad T- or X- series rather than a new laptop, but getting a good second-hand machine is also an interesting exercise |
| 12:30.45 | MaBunny | i guess you do it from Windows usb stick only Ange7 |
| 12:30.56 | MaBunny | most of the BIOS software come for windows only |
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| 12:31.04 | jelly | MaBunny: yes |
| 12:31.07 | jelly | !BCM43142 |
| 12:31.08 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM43142 is a hybrid 802.11n and Bluetooth 4.0 device. Its wireless LAN component (PCI ID 14e4:4365, incorrectly identified as BCM4365 by Broadcom's proprietary driver) is currently only supported by Broadcom's proprietary driver since version 6.30.223.126 (packaged for Debian 8 "Jessie" as broadcom-sta-dkms). |
| 12:31.32 | MaBunny | ok |
| 12:31.46 | MaBunny | ill hav a rolling time installing debian on it |
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| 12:32.05 | jelly | MaBunny: but again, try to get "lspci -nn" and "lsusb" output on this specific model if you can |
| 12:32.14 | MaBunny | ok |
| 12:32.20 | jelly | vendors change hardware inside, sometimes |
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| 12:35.33 | jim | I'm looking to install a bind9 on a box, and set its resolv.conf to localhost... also, the configuration for my eth seems to have disappeared after an upgrade... so I'd like to find that too in case I want to reconfigure it for either static or dhcp... anyone available to help with either problem? |
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| 12:36.14 | Ange7 | MaBunny: Ok, so i can do this with windows usb stick |
| 12:36.51 | MaBunny | check the executable for the Bios upgrade...im experienced for this anyways |
| 12:37.00 | jim | I want a caching-only nameserver for a machine on a net which is getting ready to lose its gw router (so no devices can show up on the hub for a couple days).. |
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| 12:42.03 | afernandez_ | how do I stop a tail -f being run under another userid onced a string shows up on the /foo/bar.log? the command im using is sudo su - userid -c "tail -f /foo/bar.log" Please do not asked me why "sudo su - userid" is the only way i can issue the command. thank you in advance. |
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| 12:42.58 | themill | afernandez_: I think we need real commands and real output showing the situation and the problem |
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| 12:43.51 | afernandez_ | the command is sudo su - userid -c "tail -f /foo/bar.log" |
| 12:44.36 | jim | is there some new package in debian which removes stanzas from /etc/network/interfaces and adds the configuration to something else, and if so, what has done this? |
| 12:44.36 | afernandez_ | the output is just output I need to stop the tail -f command once a string shows in the output of the log but i want to do like in a script. |
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| 12:45.19 | themill | afernandez_: put it in a pipe and have the pipe exit when it sees that string. (sed would do it nicely) |
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| 12:46.14 | afernandez_ | themill: hmm thanks , but how do I go on doing that? |
| 12:46.46 | themill | or even grep --max-count 1 |
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| 12:48.36 | afernandez_ | how do I t? |
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| 12:50.57 | MaBunny | jelly you there? |
| 12:51.09 | MaBunny | i think ill consider buying tht model |
| 12:51.32 | MaBunny | there are lots of guides to install windows on it,one for Ubuntu too |
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| 12:51.49 | MaBunny | ill first make a bootable usb stick for it |
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| 12:52.00 | MaBunny | then try installing debian into it |
| 12:52.12 | MaBunny | !versions |
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| 12:53.07 | MaBunny | what are the versions of debian available? |
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| 12:56.38 | Ange7 | someone know to enabled / disabled retina display in debian ? |
| 12:56.57 | MaBunny | ANge7 what platform? |
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| 12:57.53 | jim | still looking for what has configured my ethernet... here's grep eth0 /etc: http://termbin.com/unfo |
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| 12:59.25 | MaBunny | guys what are the best debian release i should download,stretch or Buster? |
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| 12:59.41 | jim | what';s a buster? |
| 12:59.50 | MaBunny | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 13:00.15 | jim | jessie. |
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| 13:00.32 | MaBunny | jessie will become LTS after 2 years |
| 13:00.52 | jim | and I have no idea what "best" is |
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| 13:01.11 | Drzacek | Get jessie, then change repos to "testing" :D |
| 13:01.29 | MaBunny | yeah,stretch is the best |
| 13:01.30 | bibble | jim: dhclient most likely. sets resolv.conf etc too |
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| 13:01.40 | MaBunny | buster doesnt hav a webpage |
| 13:01.59 | jim | bibble, thanks, I'll look into that |
| 13:02.18 | bibble | jim: how did you get 'unfo' for your termbin url ? |
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| 13:02.37 | jim | random |
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| 13:02.45 | bibble | lol, cool |
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| 13:08.25 | jim | here's the uncommented lines in the dhcpcd config: http://termbin.com/j3ji |
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| 13:09.36 | jim | is there any way of verifying I have a dhcp address? |
| 13:10.37 | Aorious | Hello, I am attempting to install Debian 8 on a laptop. It only has a wireless card which is supported by the brcmfmac driver. However, "No Ethernet card was detected..." Selecting the driver maunally does nothing, shows the same screen again. How do I fix this? |
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| 13:11.54 | jim | I think what must have happened... I backed up my /home (all 130g of it), and switched from i386 userland to amd64... I did this by simply doing a full reinstall a couple months ago |
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| 13:12.40 | awal1 | Aorious, the easy way is using non-official installer, hopefully it includes the drivers/firmwares you need |
| 13:12.47 | jim | Aorious, if you leave the net unconfigured for now (and you're using a netinstall image to install) it will install the base off the image |
| 13:13.05 | themill | Aorious: you'd most likely need the firmware from firmware-brcm80211 (or an installer image that already includes it) |
| 13:13.09 | jim | I have a link to that if you want it |
| 13:13.28 | themill | !firmware installer |
| 13:13.29 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
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| 13:14.14 | AndyOslo | RoyK: Just need to make an memtest x86 |
| 13:15.02 | RoyK | AndyOslo: check if it's in grub first |
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| 13:15.32 | AndyOslo | RoyK: I think it's there, but i'm not shure, one moment.... |
| 13:15.45 | RoyK | AndyOslo: see tmux |
| 13:16.38 | jim | found it, which arch? |
| 13:17.00 | AndyOslo | RoyK: Just rebooted, no memtest in grub |
| 13:17.46 | awal1 | Aorious, if you want the installer + non-free firmwares http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 13:18.08 | Aorious | awal1: themill: So, can I just skip this step and set it up after installatino? |
| 13:18.40 | jim | you -could- do that |
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| 13:18.43 | awal1 | of course |
| 13:19.09 | awal1 | Aorious, ethernet works? |
| 13:19.14 | jim | if the image has a copy of the base packages |
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| 13:19.40 | jim | I thought he said something like neither work right now |
| 13:19.47 | Aorious | I could use Android tethering. |
| 13:20.17 | jim | Aorious, which image did you use to install debian/ |
| 13:20.18 | jim | ? |
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| 13:21.10 | Aorious | The standard desktop image, not the net installer. The offical one without nonfree stuff. |
| 13:21.22 | jim | Aorious, what was the filename? |
| 13:21.43 | jim | not the netinstall... so, a live cd? |
| 13:22.07 | Aorious | debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso , the live USB. |
| 13:22.18 | Aorious | Yes |
| 13:22.28 | jim | ok, the base should be on that |
| 13:22.43 | themill | The live images aren't great for installation |
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| 13:23.24 | jim | do you want to try the netinstall image (one that includes nonfree firmware)? |
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| 13:24.10 | jim | or, do you want to try with what you got? (note themill's warning tho) |
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| 13:24.24 | Aorious | I could try that after, I would rather not have to download a load of stuff during installation. |
| 13:24.30 | somiaj | or if you are going to use a live image for isntalling, boot up the live image into the installer, don't boot it into the live image the install from the live image. |
| 13:24.46 | Aorious | I didi |
| 13:24.48 | Aorious | ty |
| 13:25.15 | Aorious | Is the netinstaller better than the unoffical nonfree .iso? |
| 13:25.37 | jim | not sure, I hadn't tried it |
| 13:25.52 | somiaj | Aorious: they are the same, they all use the same debian installer. |
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| 13:26.05 | jim | did you partition it yet? |
| 13:26.09 | somiaj | the difference is the nonfree .iso will contain firmware for devices that require it. |
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| 13:26.23 | Aorious | Okay ty |
| 13:26.26 | Aorious | jim: Not yet. |
| 13:26.56 | jim | ok... up to you... the netinstall is about 300 mb or 350 or something |
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| 13:28.01 | jim | 266mb according to: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 13:28.33 | jim | (that link has the image at the bottom of the page; I assumed amd64 arch |
| 13:28.50 | jim | ) |
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| 13:30.36 | jim | I wonder if you can install via the netinstall then later use the dvd image you got for the packages , so you don't have to download much |
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| 13:32.48 | somiaj | jim: afiak you can, you just need to be able to scan the cd/dvd for package list with apt, though I forget the name of the program that does the scanning |
| 13:33.02 | somiaj | ahh it is apt-cdrom |
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| 13:33.29 | jim | so he could download just that package then scan the cdrom |
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| 13:34.42 | somiaj | as far as I know, and I"m assuing the images are offical in the sense they contain the package lists and such neeed by apt. |
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| 13:35.05 | jim | maybe if he was gonna do that, he might as well do the entire install from the cd image |
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| 13:46.56 | jim | Aorious, how;'s it going with the install? |
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| 13:50.49 | dminuoso | Hi. Im wondering about why libstdc++-v3 headers are installed in /usr/include/c++/ when they are so compiler specific. |
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| 13:52.05 | dminuoso | Or should I direct that question to the GCC maintainers? |
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| 13:56.13 | jelly | dminuoso: this channel is user-oriented so yeah. Where would you put headers to be used with default C++ compiler and its libstdc++? |
| 13:57.12 | themill | (both gcc and llvm are happy with this arrangement) |
| 13:57.16 | dminuoso | jelly: inside the GCC installation directory where they belong. |
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| 13:58.37 | jim | does llvm use libstdc++? |
| 13:58.42 | dminuoso | jim: it can. |
| 13:58.47 | dminuoso | well clang you mean. |
| 13:59.33 | jim | well to start with, I'm curious about llvm and libstdc++ |
| 13:59.41 | jelly | dminuoso: if you can specify one or more scenarios, preferably non-contrived, that fail to work with this setup, file a bug report |
| 14:00.30 | dminuoso | jelly: Sadly I can think of more build systems from the top off my head that would break if this was changed, than contrivable scenarios where this might be problematic. |
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| 14:00.47 | jelly | well then |
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| 14:02.04 | dminuoso | jelly: Right now it's more of a discussion than "trying to fix it" |
| 14:02.16 | dminuoso | But I guess Ill get in touch with the gcc maintainers and see what they think. |
| 14:02.33 | themill | They're not going to change things that break the world |
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| 14:04.05 | jelly | dminuoso: ah, this channel on Freenode has evolved to deal more with enduser issues rather than discussion of architectural elements |
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| 14:12.53 | osmc | hi there. how do I get backports working properly? every time I add it to my source list and run apt update and try and install something, it says e: cannot locate file even though it's suppose to be there? |
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| 14:13.16 | stoned | osmc: what is your backport sources line? |
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| 14:14.08 | stoned | brontosaurusrex: $65 USD |
| 14:14.14 | osmc | stoned: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 14:14.23 | themill | osmc: real output from real commands would be helpful |
| 14:14.25 | stoned | brontosaurusrex: I paid 60+ tax and then $30 USD/year |
| 14:14.34 | stoned | brontosaurusrex: I think it could be cheaper now, I'm unsure. |
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| 14:15.08 | stoned | osmc: do you get any errors when you run apt-get update? |
| 14:15.26 | osmc | stoned: nope |
| 14:15.43 | osmc | E: Unable to locate package uget |
| 14:16.01 | osmc | i ran sudo apt-get install uget |
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| 14:16.41 | osmc | is IT backports or backport? |
| 14:17.00 | themill | osmc: there is no such package "uget" in jessie-backports (but it is in jessie) |
| 14:17.03 | stoned | plural |
| 14:17.14 | stoned | I see this package in jessie, but not in backports |
| 14:17.21 | stoned | are you doing -t debian-backports? |
| 14:17.25 | stoned | just do apt-get install uget |
| 14:17.33 | osmc | no i am not stoned |
| 14:17.40 | stoned | hey |
| 14:17.44 | stoned | wtf |
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| 14:17.59 | osmc | I mean no I'm not doing -t |
| 14:18.03 | stoned | what does being stoned or not stoned have to do with this |
| 14:18.15 | osmc | ^ up please. |
| 14:18.15 | stoned | I don't like to be insutled for my use of cannabis in a back handed way |
| 14:18.17 | stoned | go help yourself |
| 14:18.21 | stoned | peace and good luck. |
| 14:18.47 | osmc | wtf? all I was doing was replying to you and saying no I'm not doing -t |
| 14:18.51 | themill | !show sources.list osmc |
| 14:18.51 | dpkg | osmc: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 14:19.03 | themill | osmc: just ignore stoned, it's generally more productive. |
| 14:19.19 | stoned | Or just dont' insult the people who are trying to help you |
| 14:19.32 | jelly | stoned: he did not insult you at all. |
| 14:19.37 | osmc | I wasn't insulting you bro |
| 14:19.44 | themill | stoned: less weed and paranoia, perhaps. |
| 14:19.47 | jelly | read "<osmc> no i am not, stoned" |
| 14:19.48 | stoned | To use being stoned as a negation to being stupid as a pejorative. |
| 14:19.50 | stoned | : |
| 14:19.59 | jelly | and he did not do that |
| 14:19.59 | stoned | No, it's just you're again, being the anti stoned cutns in #debian |
| 14:20.01 | stoned | whaetver. |
| 14:20.03 | stoned | do watever you want. |
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| 14:20.10 | themill | stoned: please stop |
| 14:20.16 | stoned | Ditto. |
| 14:20.19 | osmc | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free that's all I have in my source list |
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| 14:20.39 | themill | dpkg: tell osmc about jess sources.list |
| 14:20.47 | themill | osmc: you need a mirror for jessie |
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| 14:21.15 | stoned | osmc: you need a sources list for stable and one for updates and security |
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| 14:34.56 | Aorious | I have install Debian 8 and the wireless is not detected. lspci shows "Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Device 43ba". So I need insatll the firmware-broadcom package? |
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| 14:35.33 | Aorious | I mean, firmware-brcm80211 |
| 14:35.41 | babilen | Aorious: What does "lspci -nn" give you? (but yeah, installing firmware might be a good idea) |
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| 14:37.31 | Aorious | babilen: 02:00:0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:43ba] (rev 01) |
| 14:37.51 | zdhjkcfsd25 | Hi i have proble with Tmux update, "$ tmux" give me a new prompt line "$ 62;c" and no Tmux session started. I'm on jessy up to date, reboot, re-installed tmux, remove config file, can you help me ? |
| 14:38.09 | meowshwitz | zdhjkcfsd25: echo $TERM |
| 14:38.20 | babilen | Aorious: You will definitely need a newer kernel for that. You can configure jessie-backports and grab a new kernel and firmware from there |
| 14:38.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell Aorious -about jessie-backports |
| 14:38.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell Aorious -about bdo kernel |
| 14:38.38 | zdhjkcfsd25 | meowshwitz: $ echo $TERM xterm-color |
| 14:38.55 | meowshwitz | try export TERM=xterm |
| 14:38.58 | meowshwitz | then run tmux |
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| 14:40.00 | Aorious | babilen: Does the firmware-brcm80211 not contain the firmware? I will need the backports kernel anyways because my sys/class/backlight folder is empty, however Gnome does not start with it (black screen). |
| 14:40.02 | zdhjkcfsd25 | meowshwitz: "$ export TERM=xterm", "$ tmux ^[[?62;c -bash: 62 : commande introuvable -bash: c : commande introuvable" |
| 14:40.09 | babilen | Aorious: You want to end your jessie-backports entry to end in "main contrib non-free" to be able to grab the firmware |
| 14:40.27 | stoned | deb http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 14:40.31 | stoned | Use whatever mirror you wish |
| 14:40.34 | babilen | Aorious: You would grab the firmware package from backports also |
| 14:40.35 | stoned | I find this to be closest tome |
| 14:40.38 | meowshwitz | zdhjkcfsd25: I have no idea what you did, pastebin it |
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| 14:41.05 | babilen | Aorious: Do you know the name of the firmware file you need |
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| 14:41.29 | Aorious | babilen: brcmfmac |
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| 14:41.58 | zdhjkcfsd25 | meowshwitz: tmux request result => ^[[?62;c, and bash tell me 62 and c is not found |
| 14:42.16 | babilen | Aorious: We would need something a little more specific, but its okay. I think you need brcm/brcmfmac43602-pcie.bin which ships in the firmware-brcm80211 package in jessie-backports. |
| 14:42.23 | meowshwitz | zdhjkcfsd25: something is very wrong then |
| 14:42.27 | meowshwitz | which tmux |
| 14:42.41 | meowshwitz | maybe you have some weird shell alias or something |
| 14:42.48 | meowshwitz | zdhjkcfsd25: /usr/bin/tmux, what happens |
| 14:43.02 | Aorious | babilen: not in jessie stable? only in firmware-brcm80211 backports? |
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| 14:43.22 | Aorious | just to confirm, I understand this. |
| 14:43.24 | zdhjkcfsd25 | meowshwitz: same result :) |
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| 14:43.34 | babilen | Aorious: Do you have a problem grabbing the firmware package from backports? |
| 14:43.38 | meowshwitz | zdhjkcfsd25: exit code? |
| 14:44.12 | babilen | Aorious: The firmware-brcm80211 in jessie does indeed not contain the file I mentioned earlier |
| 14:44.15 | meowshwitz | also, what shell are you running |
| 14:44.49 | Aorious | babilen: Okay I understand, I definitly need the firmware-brcm80211 from backports. Do I also need the backports kernel image? I have issue starting Gnome on that. |
| 14:44.58 | zdhjkcfsd25 | meowshwitz: 130 |
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| 14:45.01 | zdhjkcfsd25 | ? |
| 14:45.09 | babilen | Aorious: Yes, you would also need that kernel |
| 14:45.19 | meowshwitz | zdhjkcfsd25: I don't understand what you're saying or doing, pastebin your entire shell session |
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| 14:45.59 | Aorious | babilen: Okay, I will grab both the firmware and kernel from backports, and try to get my wireless working from the command-line first. |
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| 14:46.18 | babilen | Aorious: Sure, all the best! |
| 14:46.25 | Aorious | ty |
| 14:46.32 | babilen | Aorious: Just out of curiosity: What's the problem with Gnome? |
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| 14:46.40 | nauticalnexus | Hi, how do I download an ISO for Debian Stretch, or Debian Testing as its called |
| 14:46.43 | stoned | here's a problem with gnome. It's terrible. |
| 14:47.09 | stoned | nauticalnexus: from debian.org/devel/ |
| 14:47.18 | Aorious | babilen: Black screen, something about no screens found with a usable configuration. Gernating a configuration gave me another error, I do not remeber. |
| 14:47.19 | babilen | nauticalnexus: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or grab the one with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 14:47.24 | stoned | nauticalnexus: from debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 14:47.32 | stoned | nauticalnexus: #debian-next on oftc |
| 14:47.35 | babilen | Aorious: Do you use a static xorg.conf ? |
| 14:47.51 | babilen | Aorious: Anything special about your graphic setup? |
| 14:48.01 | nauticalnexus | babilen: for the latter link, stretch_di_alpha7? |
| 14:48.14 | nauticalnexus | I need non-free firmware, I have a broadcom wifi card :( |
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| 14:48.23 | babilen | nauticalnexus: If you want that version (which is the latest alpha) then yes. You might also want to look at the dailies |
| 14:48.38 | Aorious | babilen, The first error, without any xorg.conf, was about no screens found with usable configuration. |
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| 14:48.44 | zdhjkcfsd25 | meowshwitz: http://pastebin.com/AbK99RqQ |
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| 14:49.05 | Aorious | babilen, After generating one maunally, I got another error. I will come back after I install these again. |
| 14:49.06 | babilen | Aorious: Which GPU do you have? |
| 14:49.16 | meowshwitz | zdhjkcfsd25: looks like tmux is exiting silently |
| 14:49.22 | nauticalnexus | babilen: I just want Debian Testing. I assume alpha7 would be what I'm looking for. |
| 14:49.47 | zdhjkcfsd25 | yes meowshwitz: 14232 rb 20 0 26568 1096 700 S 0,0 0,0 24:38.52 tmux |
| 14:49.48 | babilen | nauticalnexus: Sure, the dailies or weeklies are newer (but not as well "tested") -- really your call |
| 14:50.04 | meowshwitz | zdhjkcfsd25: /usr/bin/tmux ; echo $? |
| 14:50.09 | Aorious | babilen, Dell XPS 15 (9550) laptop, GTX 960m |
| 14:50.13 | babilen | Aorious: And do you use a special driver for your GPU? |
| 14:50.19 | nauticalnexus | babilen: alright, I won't touch those then. Thanks! |
| 14:50.21 | babilen | Aorious: Did you install the nvidia driver for that? |
| 14:50.33 | babilen | Aorious: That's some optimus setup, isn't it? |
| 14:50.36 | zdhjkcfsd25 | meowshwitz: i have kill tmux process and its work |
| 14:50.46 | Aorious | babilen, No, I did not try that. |
| 14:50.53 | zdhjkcfsd25 | thx :) |
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| 14:50.58 | babilen | Aorious: So you are using the standard intel card for the time being? |
| 14:51.11 | meowshwitz | zdhjkcfsd25: that's still odd |
| 14:51.18 | Aorious | babilen, Yes |
| 14:51.35 | Aorious | However, that fails to launch Gnome with backports kernel. |
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| 14:52.16 | zdhjkcfsd25 | meowshwitz: maybe bad bin inside tmux ? |
| 14:52.27 | zdhjkcfsd25 | meowshwitz: inside tmux session |
| 14:52.27 | nauticalnexus | babilen: wait I don't want a netinstaller. Where's the normal iso? |
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| 14:52.34 | babilen | Aorious: You could try installing xserver-xorg-video-intel from jessie-backports also. Newer Xorg versions load the modesetting driver rather than the intel one, but there is no backport of Xorg. Maybe you need a newer version to work with the intel kernel module in the newer kernel as well. |
| 14:52.52 | meowshwitz | zdhjkcfsd25: that sounds like magic, maybe it's trying to output that tmux is already running and fails because of weird terminal or something |
| 14:52.54 | babilen | Aorious: Worth a try -- if that doesn't help we would have to see the actual Xorg.0.log to debug the issue. |
| 14:53.12 | babilen | nauticalnexus: What do you mean by "normal iso" ? |
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| 14:53.23 | nauticalnexus | babilen: live iso |
| 14:53.35 | hexadecimal | Hey o/ |
| 14:53.38 | nauticalnexus | or just a cli installer |
| 14:53.46 | babilen | nauticalnexus: I wouldn't recommend to use a live iso to install Debian (and in particular not stretch) |
| 14:54.20 | nauticalnexus | babilen: okay, well what's the installation method for the net iso then? I haven't touched Debian in a good while. |
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| 14:54.36 | nauticalnexus | is it just like a curses cli thing? |
| 14:54.39 | babilen | nauticalnexus: The "netinst" simply means that the ISO has to download some packages from the internet during the installation (based on your software selection). It is not the "network install" (i.e. PXE install) that you might be thinking of. |
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| 14:54.49 | nauticalnexus | aaaah okay |
| 14:55.00 | nauticalnexus | that makes sense. |
| 14:55.19 | babilen | nauticalnexus: You simply write that to a USB stick (cp /path/to/the/debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync -- with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your USB stick) |
| 14:55.32 | nauticalnexus | heh, Windows. Rufus works yeah? |
| 14:55.42 | babilen | We recommend |
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| 14:55.51 | mik | !rufus |
| 14:55.51 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 14:56.00 | babilen | dpkg: win32diskimager |
| 14:56.00 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 14:56.17 | stoned | rufus is also fine. Rufus has two writing modes. One works with debian, the other also works but kinda fails sometimes. |
| 14:56.30 | stoned | diskimager is fine, but blind FUD is not good. |
| 14:56.31 | nauticalnexus | stoned: I'm assuming the one that works with debian is dd? |
| 14:56.33 | babilen | Why not use something that's known to work? |
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| 14:56.45 | babilen | nauticalnexus: dd on Windows? |
| 14:56.46 | Ange7 | hello all |
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| 14:56.57 | nauticalnexus | babilen: becuase I've used rufus with a wide variety of Linux distros, including debian in the past, and I've had no issues. |
| 14:57.05 | stoned | nauticalnexus: I think so, it has two modes. it can dd the iso, or i can unpack the iso, format the usb has fat32 and then copy the files and make the bootloader(this mode will fail many times) |
| 14:57.15 | nauticalnexus | stoned: alright, thanks. |
| 14:57.18 | stoned | Rufus in the dd mode will always work (from experience on debian personally, every time) |
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| 14:57.36 | stoned | But since people here blindly recommend diskimages, if you want support, do what they say. |
| 14:57.39 | babilen | nauticalnexus: Let's put it like this: We know that win32diskimager works, while we had reports of problems with rufus. That might be due to the availability of different modes. |
| 14:57.44 | Ange7 | i'm on debian stretch and i'm using Virtual Machine Manager. I share host point like this : http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/9p_virtio it's perfect to read. but for write, i have « permission refused » |
| 14:57.45 | stoned | diskimager* |
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| 14:57.58 | nauticalnexus | babilen: also yes, rufus can do dd, and that seems to be the one that works perfectly for certain distros. |
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| 14:58.07 | babilen | nauticalnexus: You essentially want the tool to directly copy the data (the equivalent of "cp" or, if slower by default, "dd" on Linux) |
| 14:58.24 | nauticalnexus | babilen: yeah, so dd. That's available in Rufus. |
| 14:58.29 | stoned | It's not good to avoid something willy nilly. Learn how it works, why it fails etc. etc. |
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| 14:58.46 | babilen | nauticalnexus: I find dd on Linux to be both cumbersome (that syntax!) and slower by default than cp. |
| 14:59.01 | nauticalnexus | babilen: well it's done so |
| 14:59.05 | nauticalnexus | shrugs. |
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| 14:59.17 | stoned | But if your advice (such as rufus is fine in dd mode) goes against the grain of the masses here, support tends to become harder. So pick the tool you want to use, but keep this in mind too |
| 14:59.43 | zdhjkcfsd25 | meowshwitz: well, thank you. :) |
| 14:59.54 | babilen | Some of those tools try to do fancy things with the ISO. We don't want that .. you just want to write it directly to the stick without *any* changes. cp does that perfectly. |
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| 15:00.05 | nauticalnexus | so does dd |
| 15:00.40 | babilen | Sure, but dd is slower by default and has awkward syntax. I personally also prefer dcfldd over dd, but that's not available everywhere right away. |
| 15:00.57 | babilen | Both are "fine" in that they get the job done |
| 15:01.02 | nauticalnexus | it's certainly not available in Rufus. |
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| 15:01.22 | nauticalnexus | But look, the ISO is burned in dd, so I'll install it later, since I don't have access to the computer I was talking about at the moment. |
| 15:01.24 | babilen | I think that they simply call it "dd" mode and just mean "direct copy" by it. |
| 15:01.41 | nauticalnexus | data duplicator is apparently what dd means |
| 15:01.55 | cbmuser | no, it means "disk destroyer" |
| 15:02.11 | nauticalnexus | good joke |
| 15:02.19 | babilen | dd really doesn't do any magic. It works like cp with the difference that it doesn't to blocksize scaling and would allow you to define offsets and numbers of blocks you want to copy (among a million other things). |
| 15:03.02 | babilen | If all you want is to copy one file (Debian ISO) to another (USB stick device) cp is a good choice. But use what you want and dd/dcfldd allow you to get some information about the progress. |
| 15:03.30 | stoned | you can even cat it |
| 15:03.33 | stoned | how about that. |
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| 15:03.47 | stoned | cat file.iso > /dev/yourmom |
| 15:04.36 | babilen | stoned: That causes problems if you aren't root and people tend to run "sudo cat file.iso > /dev/sdX" which doesn't work as the i/o redirection is not executed with superuser permissions |
| 15:04.45 | stoned | *nod* |
| 15:04.48 | babilen | But yeah, it works also |
| 15:04.50 | babilen | Many ways |
| 15:05.50 | th0r | babilen, I think there is a difference. If you copy an iso to a usb drive you see the .iso file. If you dd it you see whatever files are inside the iso |
| 15:06.05 | stoned | th0r: you've misunderstood |
| 15:06.16 | stoned | th0r: you don't format the stick, then copy the iso to the filesystem |
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| 15:06.25 | stoned | th0r: you copy the iso to the usb device itself, not a filesystem on it. |
| 15:06.44 | stoned | this basically 'burn's the iso to the usb (like burning a bootable cd) |
| 15:06.48 | th0r | stoned, I didn't think you could do that...learn something new every day |
| 15:06.57 | stoned | *nod* |
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| 15:14.51 | Aorious | babilen: I think it works! "sudo ifconfig" shows "wlan0". I do not know how to connect to WPA2 with only the terminal. But, it is working if it shows under it under "ipconfig" right? |
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| 15:15.32 | Aorious | Oh yh, I can scan for wireless networks. It works! Thanks. Now to fix Gnome. |
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| 15:21.53 | iSn0rt | stoned, hi, I wasn't insulting you. I was simply trying to reply and tell you no I never installed the pacakges with "-t" I was doing the normal "sudo apt-get install" sorry for any confusion and also thanks for your help. all is sorted now! thanks again all. :) <3 debian. |
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| 15:23.33 | stoned | iSn0rt: it was explained to me. |
| 15:23.53 | stoned | iSn0rt: English isnt' my first language, and your lack of comma before 'stoned' is what confused me. |
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| 15:24.24 | iSn0rt | yeah, sorry. my English isn't great too lol |
| 15:24.41 | stoned | iSn0rt: I've been on the recieving end of many attacks and picked on even in the middle of heping someone because I am stoned, so you can surely understand my ... conditioned autopilot behavior. |
| 15:24.42 | iSn0rt | anyway, thanks. |
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| 15:24.48 | stoned | Thanks for understanding. |
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| 15:25.32 | DeaDSouL | hi, I wrote a small bash script,, but because of the 'Unknown' it doesn't work as it should... http://paste.debian.net/794831/ |
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| 15:27.24 | Aorious | babilen, Gnome works! Thank you for your help. Thanks to everyone. |
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| 15:33.23 | jelly | DeaDSouL: how does it fail? |
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| 15:34.26 | DeaDSouL | jelly: because '/sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/status' sometimes has a value of 'Unknown' |
| 15:34.45 | DeaDSouL | jelly: which won't tell me whether the AC is connected and charging the battery or not |
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| 15:36.17 | jelly | DeaDSouL: do you then assume the state from last known? |
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| 15:40.24 | DeaDSouL | well, therr is a known bug since 2011 in the kernel: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38452 |
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| 15:41.07 | jelly | DeaDSouL: I don't know, you're the author? :-) |
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| 15:41.30 | DeaDSouL | lol, no I'm not.. |
| 15:41.31 | DeaDSouL | :) |
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| 16:32.54 | nauticalnexus | hi so I got the non-free iso, burned it, booted into it and now it says I'm missing firmware for my wifi card |
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| 16:33.16 | mtn | nauticalnexus: which wifi card? broadcom? |
| 16:33.21 | nauticalnexus | mtn: broadcom. |
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| 16:33.34 | mtn | nauticalnexus: I don't think the iso has broadcom drivers |
| 16:33.45 | nauticalnexus | mtn: what. What iso does |
| 16:34.17 | mtn | nauticalnexus: none as far as I know. you will need to add them after installation and use a usb stick or a lan connection |
| 16:34.21 | nauticalnexus | or am I gonna have to do the ol usb tethering |
| 16:34.24 | mtn | to add the drivers |
| 16:34.26 | nauticalnexus | okay so usb tethering got it. |
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| 16:50.15 | lord_rob | Hi! I cannot configure icedove to use gmail anymore. It always says invalid password. Anyone knows what the problem could be (apart from the password being invalid, which is not) |
| 16:50.51 | meowshwitz | lord_rob: invalid username? |
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| 16:51.14 | missmbob | lord_rob: did you enable 2 factor auth with google? |
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| 16:51.52 | lord_rob | actually icedove has an autoconfiguration for gmail |
| 16:52.12 | meowshwitz | and you believe it? |
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| 16:52.23 | lord_rob | yes |
| 16:52.49 | meowshwitz | lord_rob: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/password-issue-with-icedove-and-gmail-4175541938/ |
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| 16:58.21 | nauticalnexus | does debian testing support efi? It asked me if I wanted to write grub to the master boot record.. |
| 16:58.54 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 16:58.54 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:59.01 | missmbob | i doubt most in here have tried stretch installer. |
| 16:59.09 | missmbob | you're not even supposed to use it to install stretch |
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| 17:09.18 | nauticalnexus | never mind I figured out the issue on my own anyway. |
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| 18:00.10 | mdlpe_ | hi, I try to synchronize two folder with rsync I get this error (http://dpaste.com/3GKJYDR) I mounted my external hard drive in a folder /home/mdlpe/tempo. |
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| 18:02.22 | jelly | mdlpe_: which filesystem type on /home/mdlpe/tempo? |
| 18:02.39 | zykotick9 | jelly: my guess if fat or ntfs... |
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| 18:03.17 | jelly | did not ask for a guess |
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| 18:04.26 | mdlpe_ | jelly, exfat |
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| 18:05.27 | jelly | mdlpe_: exfat, like fat/fat32 does not have proper unix permissions, so you will need to tell rsync to ignore group or user ownership or permissions it complains about |
| 18:05.32 | DammitJim | is there something I can do to use rsync where the source is fat32 and the file names have like french characters? |
| 18:05.47 | DammitJim | to a linux system running ext4 as the fs? |
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| 18:06.30 | mdlpe_ | jelly, thanks. I'll try to find correct parameterrs |
| 18:06.43 | jelly | DammitJim: what's failing? |
| 18:06.55 | DammitJim | let me dig up the logs |
| 18:07.09 | DammitJim | but it was files that had names with tildes or what not |
| 18:07.19 | somiaj | DammitJim: That should work. Though might be worth not copying over all the permsisions from the fat32 mount. |
| 18:07.46 | somiaj | DammitJim: are you using this inside a script or syncing the whole directory? |
| 18:07.49 | jelly | DammitJim: wild guess: use iocharset=utf8 when mounting vfat to make file names match a UTF-8 locale on linux |
| 18:08.07 | DammitJim | in a script |
| 18:08.12 | DammitJim | the whole directory |
| 18:08.13 | jelly | (man mount) |
| 18:08.15 | DammitJim | it's mounted over samba |
| 18:08.37 | jelly | what does "mounted over samba" mean? |
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| 18:09.00 | DammitJim | meaning that the source is a Buffalo Terastation |
| 18:09.03 | somiaj | DammitJim: sounds like it is really a cifs mount not a fat32 mount, so ensure the cifs options are set correctly. |
| 18:09.07 | DammitJim | and my linux box is mounting that share |
| 18:09.27 | jelly | which OS does that NAS have? |
| 18:09.41 | DammitJim | whatever Buffalo ships with |
| 18:09.44 | DammitJim | let me look |
| 18:10.04 | jelly | how do you know it has fat32 underneath? |
| 18:10.13 | DammitJim | 'cause it's an attached USB drive |
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| 18:10.27 | DammitJim | you see... I am doing local backups from the NAS to an external USB Drive |
| 18:10.52 | DammitJim | then from the linux box, I am synchronizing this to another server at a friend's house just in case my house burns down when I'm playing with fire |
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| 18:11.08 | missmbob | a NAS that cant handle files over 4G is kinda useless |
| 18:11.35 | jelly | DammitJim: why not mount the usb drive directly on the debian box? |
| 18:12.21 | DammitJim | I could do that, too jelly |
| 18:12.28 | DammitJim | I was just letting the NAS do it's thing |
| 18:12.40 | DammitJim | then just rsync the stuff |
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| 18:13.23 | jelly | otherwise you'd need to second-guess which mount options NAS uses with an external vfat, and which cifs daemon options, and make it work |
| 18:13.46 | mdlpe_ | DammitJim, it is from ext4 __> exfat drive. I found --no-perms and --no-o I'll try |
| 18:14.06 | DammitJim | jelly, I see what you are saying... |
| 18:14.15 | DammitJim | mdlpe_, no, not from ext4 |
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| 18:14.35 | jelly | mdlpe_ is talking about their own rsync. |
| 18:15.20 | mdlpe_ | sorry, but i'm lost now |
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| 18:15.26 | jelly | DammitJim: but who knows, maybe the NAS is doing the right thing |
| 18:15.52 | DammitJim | dammit... of course now I can't get into the stupid box |
| 18:15.58 | DammitJim | ugh |
| 18:16.01 | DammitJim | I'll have to see |
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| 18:16.28 | jelly | DammitJim: with that in mind, you can try to verify if your linux mount of the remote cifs share uses the "iocharset=utf8" mount option |
| 18:16.41 | infinity_ | i have a jessie system with btrfs on an MD array. any idea why i can't get it mount on boot? If i add the volume to fstab, i get emergency mode during bootup. |
| 18:16.42 | jelly | (totally different from the vfat iocharset=utf8 mount option) |
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| 18:18.05 | jelly | DammitJim: (see man mount.cifs) |
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| 18:18.39 | DammitJim | ok, now I"m confused |
| 18:18.39 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 18:21.09 | DammitJim | ok. I'm finally in |
| 18:21.20 | DammitJim | this is what the log says... |
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| 18:21.29 | DammitJim | rsync error: error in file IO (code 11) at main.c(605) [Receiver=3.0.9] |
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| 18:21.54 | DammitJim | no, sorry that's not right |
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| 18:22.34 | DammitJim | it says: file has vanished: "/tmp/mnt/smbshare/Corporate/<a bunch of sub_folders>/MyBank?.pdf" |
| 18:22.42 | pazuzu89 | Hi guys, I have a question. How do I update debian 8 to 8.5 and does it reset my configurations if I do so? |
| 18:22.51 | DammitJim | it shows a question mark instead of the actual weird characters |
| 18:23.18 | infinity_ | pazuzu89: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:23.28 | pazuzu89 | infinity_, thank you :) |
| 18:23.29 | infinity_ | pazuzu89: no configurations will not be reset. |
| 18:23.44 | infinity_ | pazuzu89: if it wants to, it'll ask you first. |
| 18:24.14 | pazuzu89 | infinity_, I didn't know it was this easy ( still new to linux) but thank you very much! |
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| 18:25.03 | infinity_ | pazuzu89: basically it says... fine me the newest stuff for my release and install it |
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| 18:26.57 | pazuzu89 | infinity_, also, should I do a reboot after it's done? |
| 18:27.02 | DammitJim | man, I do have different issues |
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| 18:31.52 | zykotick9 | pazuzu89: sidenote, there is a program called "needrestart" that once installed will suggest after apt-get/apt updates if restarting a service or the system (for kernel update) is recommended |
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| 18:37.57 | rudi_s | I'd use checkrestart which was faster last time I checked. |
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| 18:38.29 | zykotick9 | rudi_s: it is certainly faster, but doesn't take the kernel into consideration... |
| 18:38.56 | rudi_s | As in kernel update? |
| 18:39.12 | zykotick9 | right, it won't show up in checkrestart |
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| 18:40.23 | rudi_s | Well. I can check that separately easy enough. |
| 18:40.46 | rudi_s | Doesn't explain why it's so much slower. |
| 18:41.05 | DammitJim | sometimes I get a rsync: recv_generator: failed to stat "/media/usb/....": Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character (84) |
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| 18:43.50 | infinity_ | i think i have an ordering issue with systemd. If i enable a btrfs volume in fstab that is on an MD array, i get emergency mode. Any ideas? |
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| 18:49.54 | baraba | why are my links from hexchat open in a non default browser in kde debian? |
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| 18:50.53 | jhutchins | baraba: My guess would be that hexchat has it's own internal browser config. |
| 18:51.01 | jhutchins | baraba: Check your options. |
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| 18:56.46 | zykotick9 | baraba: _IF_ hexchat doesn't has a specific browser setting, check alternatives - when i used gnome, there was both a x-www-browser and a gnome-www-browser (or similar wording). fyi, "# update-alternatives --config <TAB><TAB>" should list all options. |
| 18:57.47 | somiaj | additionally it could be xdg-open or xdg-mime that determins what to run. |
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| 18:58.36 | baraba | thanks guys this really helped |
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| 19:08.12 | dtcrshr | whenm i use the export sentence, for instance to setup a proxy connection on my environment, where is it saved? |
| 19:08.17 | dtcrshr | I need to change those credentials |
| 19:08.26 | dtcrshr | I used this -export http_proxy=http://username:password@proxyserver.net:port/ |
| 19:08.40 | ksft | I'm installing Debian on a VM to learn about it |
| 19:08.48 | ksft | what happens if I choose more than one desktop environment? |
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| 19:10.39 | ryouma | ksft: they all get installed, and there is a system of priorities called alternatives, iiuc |
| 19:11.36 | ryouma | just uses a wm |
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| 19:12.04 | ksft | how does that work? |
| 19:12.07 | ksft | which one does it use? |
| 19:12.12 | teraflops | ksft: you choose? |
| 19:12.12 | ksft | can I switch between them easily? |
| 19:12.20 | Igramul | Hello, is there a standard way to store the encryption key (or passphrase) for encrypted root volumes on a removable media? I want to enable unattended boot for an encrypted system, e.g., by storing the key on a USB drive. |
| 19:12.25 | teraflops | use a session manager |
| 19:12.39 | ksft | what's that? |
| 19:12.49 | teraflops | the alternatives system makes sense when you do startx |
| 19:13.02 | ksft | I don't know what either of those is. |
| 19:13.03 | teraflops | ksft: e.g gdm3. |
| 19:13.10 | teraflops | lightdm |
| 19:13.20 | greycat | oh, are those being called "session managers" now instead of display managers? |
| 19:13.37 | ksft | teraflops: what are those examples of? |
| 19:13.40 | teraflops | greycat: oh you're right then |
| 19:13.41 | ksft | session managers? |
| 19:13.56 | teraflops | greycat: I never know how the hell call those things |
| 19:14.20 | greycat | !dm |
| 19:14.20 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <lightdm>, <gdm3>, <xdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>. |
| 19:14.22 | somiaj | session manager to me means loading all the apps that were running in a previous session inside a desktop, not loading the desktop. |
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| 19:14.59 | teraflops | idk to be fair. I heard both things and I never bothered |
| 19:15.02 | ryouma | last i tried to find a decent one, those things are not accessible, at least without significant hacking, so i protested by using startx. wfm. |
| 19:15.16 | greycat | I also use startx. |
| 19:15.27 | teraflops | startx is fine |
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| 19:15.52 | teraflops | o do too hehe |
| 19:15.55 | teraflops | I |
| 19:16.02 | ksft | so if I just select all of them, will it work? |
| 19:16.39 | teraflops | ksft: yes. install al the DEs you want |
| 19:16.41 | greycat | Yes. Something will work. |
| 19:16.45 | ksft | okay! |
| 19:16.50 | teraflops | all* sorry for the typos |
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| 19:18.30 | polyzen | hi, trying to compile vmxnet (from vmtools) under Debian stable. stuck here https://ptpb.pw/aG3Y |
| 19:18.33 | ryouma | ksft: warning: they are huge |
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| 19:18.58 | polyzen | asked in #vmware and just got a cheeky response from one of the ops lol |
| 19:19.23 | teraflops | hehe |
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| 19:19.38 | ksft | ryouma: like more than 8 GB for all six of them? |
| 19:19.46 | ryouma | ksft: no clue |
| 19:19.51 | ksft | well, I hope they aren't |
| 19:19.58 | ksft | that's how much space I gave the VM |
| 19:20.07 | ryouma | it's possible |
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| 19:26.35 | techie28 | Do we need to install some kind of malware detector on debian? |
| 19:26.41 | missmbob | no |
| 19:27.06 | techie28 | then how do we detect them? |
| 19:27.14 | polyzen | by installing one |
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| 19:27.35 | techie28 | which one is good please tell me? |
| 19:27.39 | missmbob | techie28: debian isn't windows. you dont need one. |
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| 19:27.51 | missmbob | techie28: he's fucking with you |
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| 19:28.02 | techie28 | haha |
| 19:28.06 | polyzen | I'm not.. if you want to detect them, you need to install one |
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| 19:28.23 | polyzen | or at least attempt to detect |
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| 19:28.42 | techie28 | polyzen: what is the Linux way to do that? |
| 19:28.46 | missmbob | sigh |
| 19:28.51 | greycat | Usually if a Linux admin discusses "malware detection" in any kind of serious way, what they actually mean is "scanning email attachments that are passing through my server", not protecting the server itself. |
| 19:29.09 | missmbob | i wish that'd be what he said. is that it? |
| 19:29.11 | greycat | I.e. protecting the Windows-running email users. |
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| 19:29.57 | polyzen | techie28 ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 19:30.28 | techie28 | missmbob: I m a new Debian user and came to know that a virus doesnt infect Linux but a malware can |
| 19:30.43 | missmbob | techie28: dont worry about it |
| 19:31.07 | techie28 | missmbob: so we dont need to clean them? |
| 19:31.19 | missmbob | no. |
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| 19:31.55 | greycat | To keep your Debian system secure, you use "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" on a regular basis. |
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| 19:32.08 | greycat | !security |
| 19:32.09 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
| 19:32.27 | techie28 | missmbob: lets just say if there is a guest OS windows 7 on VirtualBox which gets infected..can it infect the host OS i,e Debian |
| 19:32.35 | missmbob | techie28: no |
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| 19:32.40 | techie28 | greycat: yes I do that regularly |
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| 19:33.03 | techie28 | https://www.rfxn.com/projects/linux-malware-detect/ these are of no use? |
| 19:33.11 | techie28 | https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-scan-linux-for-malware-and-rootkits/ |
| 19:33.41 | jhutchins | techie28: It depends on your level of exposure. A desktop usually doesn't have anything to worry about. |
| 19:34.06 | malice95 | Can I ask a question regarding wifi? |
| 19:34.25 | greycat | If you get hit, it's usually through an attack on a network service that you have been running, in which a new vulnerability is discovered, before you get a chance to apply the security updates. |
| 19:34.29 | jhutchins | A file transfer server for exchanging financial data between major banks and the federal government probably has to be a little more careful. |
| 19:36.33 | malice95 | It involves propietary drivers I think? But I don't know how to go about it. |
| 19:37.55 | `Kevin | techie28: it is possible to reach a shell of a virtual machine host from the guest OS yes, it isnt something that is common (a virus infecting the guest windows OS is extremely unlikely to hit the host) |
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| 19:39.57 | techie28 | Kevin: so keeping system updated will clear out that as well? |
| 19:40.03 | techie28 | if it happens |
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| 19:40.36 | julius_ | hi |
| 19:41.08 | `Kevin | techie28: it could.. its not a gurantee |
| 19:41.28 | `Kevin | but then again you might be looking to far into this |
| 19:41.37 | julius_ | i would like to take a svg screenshot with the program gtk-vector-screenshot from the debian repositories. it works for some applications, but apparently not for firefox. is there a chance that firefox in debian is not compiled with gtk3, but for gtk2? that would be one way that vector screenshot would not work |
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| 19:56.53 | Nuri | my debian 8.5 dsn change 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 help :/ |
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| 21:11.33 | x37_ | im eating chicken |
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| 21:21.03 | x37_ | did that go through? does nobody else enjoy chicken? |
| 21:22.19 | missmbob | !offtopic |
| 21:22.19 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 21:25.14 | x37_ | okay, just checking. i love debian. i made this wallpaper in #gimp if anyone here might care: |
| 21:25.16 | x37_ | http://i.imgsafe.org/34d20ec726.png |
| 21:25.25 | x37_ | i tried imgur but compression was no bueno |
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| 21:31.40 | zmo | hi o/ |
| 21:32.03 | zmo | I just spent like 4 hours debugging a php5-fpm install with wordpress on debian 7 |
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| 21:32.24 | zmo | when I finally saw in syslog that libresolv segfaults: |
| 21:32.25 | zmo | php5-fpm[19650]: segfault at b6f27d2f ip b6ddcf05 sp bfc3b938 error 6 in libresolv-2.13.so[b6dd4000+10000] |
| 21:32.36 | zmo | which led me to: http://debian.2.n7.nabble.com/Bug-815974-Segmentation-fault-in-libresolv-triggered-by-php5-fpm-td3779088.html |
| 21:32.49 | jelly | zmo: which debian release is that |
| 21:32.50 | zmo | but there, there's no real solution for the issue |
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| 21:33.00 | zmo | debian wheezy |
| 21:33.06 | jelly | ah, wheezy |
| 21:33.16 | jelly | does it happen on jessie as well? |
| 21:33.26 | zmo | I don't have a jessie to test on |
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| 21:33.44 | zmo | I mean, I try to keep as little php as possible on my servers ⺠|
| 21:34.01 | jelly | and when you do, you keep the oldest still supported? :-) |
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| 21:35.08 | zmo | not really, as wheezy is still supported and the init.d â systemctl upgrade is a bit too painful |
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| 21:35.18 | zmo | systemd I meant |
| 21:35.29 | zmo | sorry tired crawling through the logs for four hours |
| 21:36.10 | zmo | so I got 2.13-38+deb7u11 |
| 21:36.32 | jelly | that bug says... > > Do you have any nss modules which do not come from the libc6 package installed (either from another package or manually installed)? |
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| 21:36.55 | jelly | zmo: systemd can be avoided, but apache 2.2 -> 2.4 is a pain |
| 21:37.08 | zmo | I don't care, I'm using nginx ⺠|
| 21:37.22 | zmo | jelly - I looked around and couldn't find one |
| 21:37.35 | jelly | then fire up a clone and try ugprading to jessie |
| 21:37.35 | odish | x37_, cool wallpaper, thanks ! |
| 21:37.46 | DeaDSouL | hi, what is the best backup tool or server or the one you use as a backup server? (I used to like rsnapshot.. but it moves daily.n to daily.n+1 even if hourly.max doesn't exist.. besides, it doesn't store the hourly taken backups in the previous days, or the daily backups in weeks and so on.) |
| 21:37.47 | jelly | when you get the time that is |
| 21:38.28 | jelly | zmo: is your /etc/nsswitch.conf non-default in any way? |
| 21:38.56 | zmo | oh wait |
| 21:39.00 | zmo | I think I found the issue |
| 21:39.08 | zmo | I did not look for the lib in the chroot |
| 21:39.16 | jelly | there's a chroot? |
| 21:39.16 | zmo | bangs his head on the desk |
| 21:39.28 | zmo | yup, I always put php shit in petri dishes |
| 21:39.45 | zmo | in a chroot in a vm |
| 21:39.57 | jelly | pour bleach of the old dish and set up fresh agar |
| 21:40.25 | jelly | or whatever they put in those |
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| 21:46.49 | CuteMeOwnThroat | there's a lot of stuff that can grow from shit in petri dishes ⦠|
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| 22:02.56 | awal1 | I have 114 audio files (3 gb) and I want to reduce the bitrate because my mp3 player only have 2 gb. I use "ffmpeg -i input.mp3 -ab 100k output.mp3" and it works fine (250mb ====> 150 mb). How to make that command recursive? |
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| 22:03.39 | ryouma | awal1: find or find + parallel |
| 22:03.46 | jelly | !using find |
| 22:03.46 | dpkg | i heard using find is http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind or "man find" |
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| 22:06.35 | awal1 | ryouma, find is helpful but I dont know how to combine it with that command for a specific directory |
| 22:07.19 | awal1 | I have several directories containing .mp3 audio files |
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| 22:08.23 | awal1 | I have seen some suggestions in the web for find utility but the search is done in the whole ~/ not in a specific dir |
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| 22:09.21 | CuteMeOwnThroat | then just use a for loop |
| 22:09.33 | th0r | awal1, you might try http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10523415/bash-script-to-execute-command-on-all-files-in-directory |
| 22:10.33 | CuteMeOwnThroat | mkdir compressed; for file in *.mp3; do ffmpeg -i "$file" -whateveroptions "compressed/$file"; done |
| 22:10.35 | CuteMeOwnThroat | or so |
| 22:10.39 | x37_ | odish, im glad you enjoyed it |
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| 22:12.14 | awal1 | CuteMeOwnThroat, th0r, will check that, ok, thanks |
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| 23:35.43 | Lionyx | hello guys |
| 23:36.24 | Lionyx | I'm trying to get Debian into a samsung chromebook (ARM!), where can I start? Is there any netinstal for it? |
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| 23:37.04 | PhishPhood | hey Lionyx |
| 23:37.06 | bazhang | !arm |
| 23:37.06 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:37.21 | bazhang | see that channel Lionyx |
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| 23:37.41 | Lionyx | Really?? No Jessie for it? |
| 23:38.13 | bazhang | their support is on oftc not freenode |
| 23:38.15 | PhishPhood | Universal operating system they said ;( |
| 23:38.50 | jmcnaught | Lionyx: Debian supports armel, armhf, and AArch64 (all ARM architectures) |
| 23:39.11 | jmcnaught | Lionyx: there's also a version of the install guide for each one: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 23:41.20 | Lionyx | how do i get to know my arm version? |
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| 23:42.06 | jmcnaught | Lionyx: look at the chapter on supported hardware in the install manual |
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| 23:49.47 | tomreyn | http://www.galexander.org/chromebook/ |
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| 23:50.21 | tomreyn | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/ARMChromebook |
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| 23:50.29 | tomreyn | Lionyx: ^ |
| 23:50.49 | tomreyn | okay, again: http://www.galexander.org/chromebook/ https://https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/ARMChromebookwiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/ARMChromebook |
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| 23:55.08 | Lionyx | tks |
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