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| 01:22.17 | prettyinmauve | http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/truth-hertz-toxic-products-toxic-bible-8-29-16/ |
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| 02:07.47 | ksft | I am very confused by this page: https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment |
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| 02:08.05 | ksft | What's a window manager, and what's a desktop environment? |
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| 02:12.40 | ryouma | ksft: the latter does more |
| 02:12.57 | ksft | ryouma: than the former? |
| 02:12.58 | jmcnaught | ksft: a window manager is a program that controls where windows get displayed on your screen. A desktop environment will use a WM, but provide additional features |
| 02:13.29 | ksft | I was just reading about i3. |
| 02:13.49 | ksft | Its website calls it a window manager, but fron what I can tell, it controls where windows get displayed. |
| 02:14.05 | rjsalts | that's the function of a windows manager |
| 02:14.07 | ksft | from* |
| 02:14.16 | ksft | oh |
| 02:14.20 | ksft | I completely misread that. |
| 02:14.29 | ksft | Is X a window manager? |
| 02:15.02 | rjsalts | no X is the server which renders the screen and takes input events from your keyboard and mouse |
| 02:15.11 | ksft | the page I linked to above mentions "the X Window System" |
| 02:15.16 | ryouma | desktop managers sometimes try to sort of take over the whole computing experience, running various daemons and assuming you run only it, and running applications that sometimes assume the same (e.g. for their trash folder) |
| 02:15.25 | ksft | rjsalts: I thought the keyboard and mouse drivers did that |
| 02:15.29 | ryouma | and there are associated apps for each de |
| 02:15.35 | ksft | ryouma: what's a desktop manager? |
| 02:15.41 | ryouma | oh i mean de |
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| 02:16.09 | rjsalts | ksft: the keyboard, mouse and video drivers are part of X |
| 02:16.16 | ksft | ohh |
| 02:16.57 | ksft | I'm using Ubuntu right now (although I want to switch to Debian at some point). |
| 02:17.03 | ksft | I'm using the default things. |
| 02:17.15 | ksft | I know I'm using Unity, but I don't know what window manager I'm using. |
| 02:17.32 | ryouma | debian has a ton of wm and de |
| 02:17.36 | rjsalts | ksft: at a high level at least. There will be a device that X uses to talk to the kernel, but it's pretty low level. All the smarts are in the X drivers |
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| 02:18.41 | rjsalts | ksft: if you just run X without a window manager then the X clients (which are applications being displayed to the screen) will just end up in the top right corner of the screen, with no borders or other ways to move them, etc. |
| 02:19.06 | ksft | I thought Unity controlled all of that. |
| 02:19.14 | ksft | Is Unity both a desktop environment and a window manager? |
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| 02:19.42 | rjsalts | ksft: unity is a desktop environment, there is a window manager in unity |
| 02:20.05 | ksft | ohh |
| 02:20.48 | rjsalts | ksft: the distinction between window manager and desktop environment is that a window manager just makes sure windows go where they're told, does things like draws borders or controls around each window (e.g. a taskbar, etc) |
| 02:21.11 | ksft | and that's part of a desktop environment, right? |
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| 02:22.58 | rjsalts | ksft: whereas a desktop environment will also have things like settings for network connections, settings for sound, settings for your displays, settings for file types, file browsers, etc. |
| 02:23.15 | ksft | okay, I think I get it |
| 02:23.44 | rjsalts | ksft: almost every desktop environment includes it's own window manager, sometimes you don't get a choice, other times you can run a desktop environment with a variety of window managers |
| 02:25.16 | rjsalts | ksft: but the window manager just controls the positioning of windows, the decorations around windows (e.g. title bar, minimize/maximize buttons), some of them have the concept of virtual desktops, etc. |
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| 02:34.04 | binaryc | + went from source given lack of 0.9.x via apt ~ open to pacakge install if one is avial |
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| 03:11.26 | veek | how do you use the launchpad ppa thingy.. it's created a file in sources.list.d |
| 03:11.38 | veek | but i get Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/shutter/ppa/ubuntu/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 03:11.51 | veek | trying to install a newer version of shutter |
| 03:12.11 | veek | i did add-apt-repository ppa:shutter/ppa |
| 03:12.34 | missmbob | veek: that means that repository is ubuntu only. no jessie packages. |
| 03:13.03 | veek | woe is me, what do i do, shutter old is buggy |
| 03:13.51 | missmbob | veek: it's 0.92 in jessie and just 0.93 in sid |
| 03:14.06 | missmbob | ,checkbackport shutter |
| 03:14.07 | judd | Backporting package shutter in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 03:14.10 | veek | ah yeah, but the imgur plugin doesn't work |
| 03:14.13 | missmbob | there. you can do a ssb |
| 03:14.15 | missmbob | !ssb |
| 03:14.15 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 03:56.48 | exezin | Got a buddy using debian stretch with a IGPU (intel hd 530) |
| 03:56.52 | exezin | He's opengl version is 3.0 |
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| 03:57.14 | exezin | I think it should be around ~4.4, anyone know why that would be? |
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| 03:59.22 | marveldigital | i can't get android-androresolvd installed from the rep. it complains about android-androrresolvd.service not found, how can i fix this? |
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| 04:00.29 | exezin | What's weird is that he's on mesa version 11.2.2 yet the opengl version is 3.0 |
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| 04:00.55 | jmcnaught | exezin: are you looking at glxinfo? |
| 04:01.07 | exezin | yep |
| 04:01.12 | exezin | core profile is 3.0, mesa is 11.2.2 |
| 04:01.15 | jmcnaught | can we look too? |
| 04:01.36 | exezin | sure, one second |
| 04:01.38 | ^v | any tool i can use to switch specific packages over to another volume? |
| 04:01.49 | ^v | or do i have to make a script to symlink em all |
| 04:02.04 | jmcnaught | exezin: also the folks in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net may have a better idea, that's the official stretch/sid channel |
| 04:02.15 | exezin | alright |
| 04:02.26 | exezin | (I have a feeling this isn't specific to stretch and more to it being an iGPU) |
| 04:02.34 | exezin | (It's been a pain in the ass on about 5 distros) |
| 04:02.57 | exezin | jmcnaught: http://hastebin.com/ojoduqogof.py |
| 04:03.00 | exezin | glxinfo output |
| 04:03.29 | exezin | oh the core profile is 3.3, still not what it should be |
| 04:03.44 | exezin | (glxgears -info does also say 3.0 for some reason so?) |
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| 04:09.17 | jmcnaught | exezin: does mesa 11.2 support opengl 4.4? |
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| 04:10.14 | exezin | looks to be 4.1 at least |
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| 04:12.15 | jmcnaught | exezin: http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/11.2.2.html it seems like the driver for that GPU doesn't support all the features |
| 04:12.34 | exezin | oh interesting |
| 04:12.40 | exezin | so to be clear, it appears to support 3.3? |
| 04:12.49 | exezin | as he seems to be able to run something that's using opengl 3.2 |
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| 04:15.39 | poli | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.49 | poli | mm hello i am new |
| 04:16.18 | jmcnaught | exezin: it probably supports what glxinfo says it supports, and may also get driver improvements over time to support the opengl version the GPU is capable of |
| 04:16.28 | exezin | yeah |
| 04:16.29 | exezin | I'm just asking |
| 04:16.32 | exezin | is it 3.0 or 3.3 |
| 04:16.43 | exezin | I'm looking at the glxinfo which has 3.0 and 3.3, I'm not sure what one it is |
| 04:16.46 | exezin | (I guess 3.3?) |
| 04:16.51 | exezin | (but then why does glxgears report 3.0 :s) |
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| 04:56.28 | akiTendo | Anyone up to wifi help? Cause I've been trying to get this thing to work for 3 days now. |
| 04:57.06 | akiTendo | HP Notebook, I'm reasonably sure it's a realtek chipset. |
| 04:57.58 | akiTendo | It's frustrating. I use Linux servers all the time, but they don't have audio or wifi. Guess what I'm having trouble getting to work? :\ |
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| 05:00.33 | akiTendo | Also, is there a way to reload the modprobe.d config files without rebooting? |
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| 05:05.38 | akiTendo | 404 http://manpages.debian.org/man/8/modprobe |
| 05:05.43 | akiTendo | Hmm.. |
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| 05:11.06 | akiTendo | Is there a way to reload the modprobe.d config files without a reboot? |
| 05:11.20 | akiTendo | I'd rather not have to drop in and out of the channel. |
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| 05:14.18 | jim | say I use a netinstall for jessie, and install a debian, when it comes time to establish networking, the ethernet is found connected to a net where there's a dhcp somewhere... after that, the install successfully runs to completion... my question is, where has the ethernet received its configuration, that is, what file in the new system has the config options for the eth? |
| 05:15.28 | jim | (it's not /etc/network/interfaces) |
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| 05:17.14 | Mava | jim: is there something in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ |
| 05:17.23 | akiTendo | !! Got it !! |
| 05:17.32 | jim | I don't think so, but I'll look again |
| 05:17.51 | akiTendo | Took 3 days. And I just had to blacklist hp-wmi in addition to acer-wmi (getting wifi to work) |
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| 05:18.15 | jim | Mava, that dir is totally empty |
| 05:18.21 | Mava | o.0 wierd |
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| 05:18.40 | akiTendo | Now for sound. |
| 05:18.51 | jim | is it in a udev rule? |
| 05:18.56 | akiTendo | Although in a pitch I can do without - I'm deaf in one ear anyway. |
| 05:19.04 | jim | (which would be weird too) |
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| 05:19.44 | jim | akiTendo, I believe peter townshend of the who is also deaf in one ear |
| 05:20.30 | mtcj | When I telnet into a device I am greeted by a menu where I'm to select options. How do I get out of this menu and into a shell? |
| 05:21.09 | akiTendo | Yeah, I've heard of that. I have Otoscelorsis, which is what took Behtoven's hearing. I'll have to get a stapendectomy done eventually, and once that's done my hearing will be mostly back to normal, but it's an extremely expensive surgery |
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| 05:22.02 | jim | townshend probably lost his hearing due to stage volume |
| 05:22.21 | akiTendo | My left ear is about 70%, my right down to 30%. My hearing loss is from the bones of my middle ears ossifying into one bone |
| 05:23.03 | akiTendo | They have to remove the middle bone (the anvil) and replace it with a titanium prostetic. |
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| 05:23.23 | mtcj | That's a tiny prosthetic |
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| 05:23.47 | akiTendo | Indeed. Tiny incision too from what I've read. It's an outpatient surgery. |
| 05:23.50 | jim | that sounds like your hearing characteristics will change... maybe you'll have a LOT more high-end freqs |
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| 05:25.23 | akiTendo | I dunno. Anyway, I need to muddle through alsa some more. A bit about my debian experience - I manage servers constantly, so I'm very comfortable with the terminal, in principle at least. I'm using commands I don't usually have reason to touch to fix this laptop up. |
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| 05:25.40 | akiTendo | Servers don't really have sound cards, y'know? (or wifi) |
| 05:26.27 | jim | akiTendo, the alsa people have a script that pastebins details about your hardware, and how your sound card is operating at the time |
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| 05:26.29 | akiTendo | So I just got the wifi running, finally. Took a 3 day hunt to find the settings. |
| 05:27.19 | akiTendo | K. I've played with it a little - but thus far my focus has been on the wifi which is a must have working. |
| 05:27.30 | akiTendo | The audio is a nice to have - I have an iphone. |
| 05:27.52 | akiTendo | And I do web pages so I can just use mobile safari to do sound testing. |
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| 05:28.24 | pingfloyd | jim: what's your /etc/default/networking show for configuration? |
| 05:28.35 | jim | I'm running something called cadence, I built it from the kxstudio sources, it adds jackd to the setup, and arranges things so that jackd and pulseaudio coexist and cooperate |
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| 05:28.58 | jim | pingfloyd, I'll look |
| 05:29.56 | akiTendo | After the I get alsa squared away is there anything else I could look to installing for stability? Particularly, is there a way to register the OS with UEFI, or am I going to have to stay in legacy mode? |
| 05:30.12 | akiTendo | (machine shipped with Win10) |
| 05:30.28 | akiTendo | And is there any harm in just staying in legacy? |
| 05:32.19 | jim | pingfloyd, http://termbin.com/mlc8 |
| 05:32.51 | pingfloyd | jim: does you /etc/network/interfaces file show a stanza for eth? |
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| 05:33.45 | jim | here it comes (and, no... if it did, I'd be good, and could alter the config) |
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| 05:34.53 | jim | pingfloyd, http://termbin.com/xv8a |
| 05:35.37 | jim | that's pretty much the center of my curiousity |
| 05:35.44 | pingfloyd | jim: are you using anything like network-manager or wicd? |
| 05:36.04 | pingfloyd | i.e., any sort of connection daemons |
| 05:36.10 | jim | network-manager isn't installed... |
| 05:36.34 | akiTendo | BTW, noob question. Does Gnome have an equivalent to OSX 's open command? |
| 05:36.50 | akiTendo | For example "open ." will open the current directory in finder on a mac. |
| 05:37.06 | jim | wicd isn't installed either... |
| 05:37.11 | akiTendo | Cause, on rare occasion, GUI views are useful |
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| 05:37.52 | vlt | akiTendo: Maybe `nautilus .` |
| 05:37.52 | akiTendo | BRB, need to reboot. |
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| 05:38.02 | jim | I don't know how to check for connection daemons I don't know the name of |
| 05:38.08 | jim | brb |
| 05:38.16 | akiTendo | Yeah, nautilus . did it. |
| 05:38.54 | akiTendo | OSX's open is a bit more flexible though - it can also open PDF's with Acrobat, html files with the default web browser and so on. |
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| 05:41.40 | mtcj | Lol he left |
| 05:41.43 | mtcj | xdg-open |
| 05:42.17 | hiya | how do I optimize TCP performance on server for prompt replies etc? |
| 05:42.20 | hiya | on servers |
| 05:42.54 | morf | tune kernel parameters using the sysctl |
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| 05:43.38 | morf | something like "sysctl network tuning" or "sysctl network performance" to your favorite search engine |
| 05:43.43 | pingfloyd | jim: what files do you have under /lib/systemd/network/? |
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| 05:43.59 | morf | hiya: ^ |
| 05:45.37 | hiya | morf ok man |
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| 05:46.43 | jim | pingfloyd sec |
| 05:48.09 | theperfectpink | Kudos to all my Jew Banker friends. My tongue goes out to the rest of you :P |
| 05:48.25 | jim | pingfloyd, http://termbin.com/euf6 |
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| 05:49.29 | jim | !ops theperfectpink racism/off-topic/possible hate speech |
| 05:49.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jim complains about: theperfectpink racism/off-topic/possible hate speech |
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| 05:49.48 | jim | argh. there had to be a better way to do that |
| 05:49.59 | theperfectpink | Hate speech? LOL. |
| 05:50.16 | theperfectpink | jim, Give your head a shake. |
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| 05:51.17 | theperfectpink | !ops jim slander/libel\ |
| 05:51.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: theperfectpink complains about: jim slander/libel\ |
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| 05:53.57 | jim | pingfloyd, did you get that one? |
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| 05:55.02 | akiTendo | So, I'm following a tutorial on purging alsa and starting over. Subsequent to reinstalling it with sudo apt-get alsa-base, the command "sudo alsa force-reload" isn't present. |
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| 05:55.10 | akiTendo | which and sudo which can't locate it either |
| 05:55.45 | akiTendo | Is there even an alsa command in the latest version? |
| 05:55.51 | akiTendo | Or is this an old tutorial? |
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| 05:57.03 | jim | akiTendo, look in /etc/init.d |
| 05:57.17 | pingfloyd | jim: out of curiosity, what does systemctl status systemd-networkd return? |
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| 05:57.28 | jim | sec |
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| 05:58.10 | hiya | morf, is there a Debian specific guide do you know about? |
| 05:58.10 | akiTendo | jim, alsa-utils but no alsa |
| 05:58.17 | akiTendo | name change between distros? |
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| 05:59.13 | jim | ok, so you should try: (as root) /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop ; /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start |
| 05:59.18 | morf | hiya: it's more linux specific, the distro doesn't matter much in this case |
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| 05:59.41 | morf | hiya: also it's kind of extensive topic, so it's better to do some research |
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| 06:00.28 | akiTendo | done. Commands ran without error. I'll check for sound, and if none reboot. |
| 06:00.48 | jim | pingfloyd, http://termbin.com/mwcz |
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| 06:01.38 | jim | akiTendo, you might want to check what modules are loaded (lsmod) and what's running (ps aux) |
| 06:02.51 | pingfloyd | jim: and you're currently getting connectivity through eth0? |
| 06:03.10 | jim | yep here I am :) |
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| 06:03.35 | jim | I don't have another interface, so it would have to be the eth |
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| 06:03.57 | hiya | ok |
| 06:04.04 | jim | it's on the (asus z97) motherboard |
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| 06:05.13 | akiTendo | K, still no sound. lspci -v reports that there is no kernel driver for the soundcard |
| 06:05.18 | jim | I'm trying to get some control over the interface, I have to service the debian box that's before it |
| 06:05.36 | akiTendo | It used to load snd-hda-intel |
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| 06:06.05 | jim | is snd-hda-intel not loaded now? (lsmod) |
| 06:07.07 | akiTendo | No (ran "sudo lsmod | grep intel") |
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| 06:09.21 | pingfloyd | jim: I'm kind of surprised yours doesn't look like this http://termbin.com/wo2p |
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| 06:09.48 | pingfloyd | jim: the one you showed me didn't have that second stanza, which seems odd |
| 06:10.46 | akiTendo | jim, I ran "sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel" and got a bunch of errors. |
| 06:10.50 | pingfloyd | jim: I just checked my vm that had debian installed using eth0 out of the box and that's what its /etc/network/interfaces file looks like |
| 06:11.13 | akiTendo | Perhaps it's been corrupted from a previous attempt to fix it. Is there a package it belongs to that I can reload? |
| 06:11.31 | pingfloyd | jim: the on you showed me looks like my host which is just using wlan for network connectivity handled through network-manager |
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| 06:12.59 | pingfloyd | jim: what's your output for ifconfig look like? |
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| 06:13.15 | jim | pingfloyd, "I'm kind of surprised yours doesn't look like this ... " so am I... I get worried that if I put something in my interfaces it will interfere with I-don't-know-what |
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| 06:13.39 | jim | pretty normal... one sec |
| 06:14.00 | pingfloyd | jim: ifconfig or ip addr may shed some light. |
| 06:14.24 | jim | it's on a nat, that's why you;ll see unroutable IPs... getting that together, one sec |
| 06:15.08 | pingfloyd | that's fine, main thing I'm interested is in which interfaces come up 'inet addr:' |
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| 06:16.05 | pingfloyd | well, the one that comes up with a lan address |
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| 06:17.24 | jim | pingfloyd, http://termbin.com/28dl |
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| 06:17.57 | jim | I put both in there just in case |
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| 06:18.55 | pingfloyd | jim: I'm puzzled, because that indeed verifies you're likely getting internet through your eth0 interface. I can only think there must be some connection daemon involved. |
| 06:19.16 | pingfloyd | jim: because you /etc/network/interfaces shows it's not going through ifup |
| 06:19.26 | jim | or at least something that starts it |
| 06:19.56 | jim | yeah, we're definitely on the same page |
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| 06:20.13 | pingfloyd | out of the box, I think it will generally use ifup unless it is being managed by some daemon |
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| 06:20.39 | jim | I think it did this at install time |
| 06:21.03 | jim | (install of the whole os) |
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| 06:21.58 | pingfloyd | do you have ifplugd installed by chance? |
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| 06:22.52 | jim | that's the package name? checking... |
| 06:23.02 | kmodefive | http://www.renegadetribune.com/scott-roberts-reality-check/ |
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| 06:23.48 | PaulePanter | Hi. mirrors.rackhosting.com (2a02:4de0:21::2) is stalling when doing `apt update`' |
| 06:23.50 | PaulePanter | *. |
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| 06:24.01 | PaulePanter | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free |
| 06:24.10 | PaulePanter | ⦠is in `/etc/apt/sources.list`. |
| 06:24.17 | jim | pingfloyd, dpkg-query: package 'ifplugd' is not installed and no information is available |
| 06:24.50 | PaulePanter | Is there an option for APT, to try another one, so that `apt update` continues through and does not fail? |
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| 06:28.49 | pingfloyd | jim: that ip output, was that when running 'ip addr'? |
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| 06:29.50 | jim | maybe, let me check |
| 06:31.42 | jim | pingfloyd, http://termbin.com/28dl used ip link |
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| 06:33.50 | jim | pingfloyd, I mean, I don't mind this... I'm on the net and things seem fine... but, I want to change things in anticipation of a machine going out of service temporarily, and I don't want to break whatever it is that's currently going |
| 06:35.03 | jim | (if I change /etc/network/interfaces, do I get to break this machine's connection to the net, should I have to reboot) |
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| 06:36.20 | morf | jim: not sure what you asking, but if you change it you can do service networking restart instead of reboot |
| 06:37.20 | pingfloyd | jim: out of curiosity, which dhcp client are you using? |
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| 06:38.08 | jim | which one is in the base? I'll check to see if I have that one |
| 06:38.28 | pingfloyd | are you by chance using dhcpcd? |
| 06:38.56 | jim | not installed |
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| 06:39.51 | jim | (and I didn't build dhcpcd and make install it either :) |
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| 06:52.37 | pingfloyd | jim: when you installed debian did you use the "Desktop Environment" tasksel in the installer? |
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| 07:05.00 | put_in | can someone help me with a 1 line code extracting the require=n.nn value from spamassassin for sa-exim? |
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| 07:06.26 | jelly | code in which language? |
| 07:07.18 | jelly | maybe the people in #spamassassin or #exim would have a clue |
| 07:07.34 | put_in | jelly: i guess its perl |
| 07:07.47 | put_in | jelly: i asked already but its quite inactive there |
| 07:07.57 | put_in | i would be maximum grateful if someone could help me |
| 07:08.05 | put_in | i have no idea of perl |
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| 07:09.25 | jelly | EU/Middle East/Africa has woken up, you'll have to wait a couple more hours for Americas |
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| 07:11.21 | jelly | put_in: that said, if you show #perl a couple lines of your input, the desired output, and some context where the code is supposed to be placed, I'm sure they'll figure it out |
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| 07:12.44 | put_in | ok jelly |
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| 07:12.50 | put_in | thank you so much for your advice. |
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| 07:39.52 | akiTendo | I'm missing several files from/lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/hda |
| 07:39.57 | jim | hi |
| 07:39.58 | akiTendo | How can I get them back? |
| 07:40.17 | akiTendo | Specifically, snd-hda-intel and all associated files are missing. |
| 07:40.25 | akiTendo | Indeed, that whole directory is empty |
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| 07:41.40 | jim | reinstall the kernel package? |
| 07:42.19 | akiTendo | How? I've actually never done that. |
| 07:42.21 | Flashtek | Quick question: If I have /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf and /etc/modprobe.conf does one overrule the other at all ? |
| 07:42.29 | jim | are you running a debian derivative? |
| 07:42.36 | akiTendo | Jessie |
| 07:42.39 | akiTendo | 8.5 |
| 07:42.47 | StoBrendo | Hi there. How could I figure out which command launches a .deb package i've installed manualy? |
| 07:43.15 | jim | so debian itself... see if there;s a file linux-image* in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 07:44.01 | jim | akiTendo, me too |
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| 07:45.12 | akiTendo | jim, Not linux-image, but linux-comiler* linux-headers* (3) |
| 07:45.23 | akiTendo | linux-kbuild and linux libc |
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| 07:45.59 | akiTendo | (not the full names since I didn't want to channel flood) |
| 07:46.02 | jim | ok, so maybe the linux-image package must have come from when you installed the base |
| 07:46.56 | jim | akiTendo, good thought... note, you can find the name of the package from the name of the deb by reading from the left to the first_ |
| 07:48.03 | jim | you can try: apt-get install --reinstall linux-image (as root) |
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| 07:48.55 | akiTendo | If it fails will it lock the system? The CD drive was damaged by the cats yesterday and won't open and I'd rather not have to spring for a USB drive large enough to hold the OS installer |
| 07:49.02 | thms | hi there first tiùme i encounter such an error, I'm not able as root to create files i na certain folder dispite setting it to chmod 777 |
| 07:51.46 | jim | akiTendo, was damaged? you may need to edit your sources.list to comment out the cdrom stuff |
| 07:52.23 | pingfloyd | StoBrendo: what do you mean launches a .deb package? |
| 07:52.39 | akiTendo | The CDRom is physically damaged, not Linux related. Anyway, I tried to reinstall the linux image and got "Package linux-image is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 07:52.44 | pingfloyd | StoBrendo: .deb packages aren't really "launched" |
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| 07:53.31 | StoBrendo | pingfloyd: i installed unity3d package for linux (https://blogs.unity3d.com/es/2015/08/26/unity-comes-to-linux-experimental-build-now-available/) but after installing it i don't know what command would launch it |
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| 07:53.55 | pingfloyd | StoBrendo: do you mean how to find the executable? |
| 07:54.08 | StoBrendo | pingfloyd: i mean how to launch the executable |
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| 07:54.23 | StoBrendo | (command's name) |
| 07:54.24 | pingfloyd | StoBrendo: for that dpkg -L pkg will show all the files contained |
| 07:54.27 | jim | isn't it one of the options when you log into the DE? |
| 07:54.32 | StoBrendo | pingfloyd: ok thanks |
| 07:54.34 | pingfloyd | StoBrendo: so often you can do dpkg -L pkg | grep bin |
| 07:54.53 | StoBrendo | pingfloyd: that will be usefull in deed. Thanks |
| 07:54.56 | pingfloyd | that should give you a good idea of the executables the pkg installed onto the system |
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| 07:55.15 | pingfloyd | also manpages included |
| 07:55.47 | StoBrendo | jim: luckily for me DE aren't a mandatory software yet xP |
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| 07:56.11 | pingfloyd | between the knowing the executable names and the man page names for a package, that should give some leads on how to properly invoke it |
| 07:56.54 | jim | when you start your x session, does x start at boot, and offer you an opportunity to log in, the way it would if you have something like xdm installed |
| 07:57.08 | jim | ? |
| 07:57.30 | jim | or, how do you start x? |
| 07:57.50 | pingfloyd | StoBrendo: if you're install a DE, also check: sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
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| 07:58.13 | pingfloyd | that should make it easy to configure which session manager you want to use by default |
| 07:58.50 | StoBrendo | pingfloyd: ok thanks |
| 07:58.56 | Mava | hey guys, file sharing from a server over wan connections? Not looking anything like scp/rsync, but more like nfs/samba/iscsi but this should have authentication and encryption |
| 07:59.11 | StoBrendo | jim: i haven't take off the display manager i just changed the desktop environment for a tilling window manager |
| 07:59.26 | pingfloyd | StoBrendo: I see, you're referring to the unity3d api |
| 07:59.45 | pingfloyd | as opposed to the unity DE |
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| 08:00.45 | StoBrendo | thats right |
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| 08:02.32 | jim | StoBrendo, so when you boot... does it start x? |
| 08:03.02 | StoBrendo | jim: yes |
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| 08:06.51 | jim | ok, so you boot, it starts x... and then? |
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| 08:07.25 | rozie | Mava: sshfs |
| 08:08.14 | jim | StoBrendo, after you boot, and it starts x, what's the very next thing to happen? |
| 08:08.16 | rozie | or vpn + smb/nfs |
| 08:09.25 | StoBrendo | jim: kdm starts and asks for a login and let you the option of picking the window manager you want to start with |
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| 08:10.51 | jim | StoBrendo, ahh... you're running kdm |
| 08:11.19 | StoBrendo | jim: of course i'm on debian after all for a reason |
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| 08:12.18 | StoBrendo | jim: if my plan would be messing with the system i would be running gentoo instead |
| 08:12.40 | StoBrendo | (and start x just typing, startx after login into tty) |
| 08:13.23 | jim | ok... still checking for my point... |
| 08:13.46 | StoBrendo | do i have a display manager? Yes i have. Do i have a desktop environment? No i havent |
| 08:14.08 | StoBrendo | not running at least |
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| 08:17.11 | StoBrendo | jim: i'm aware i could wipe both systemd and kde just with a few commands, but if something fails i need this system up and running, thats way i use debian because it is stable, and thats why i don't mess with debian , because i want it to keep stable |
| 08:17.30 | StoBrendo | s/thats way/that's why/ |
| 08:17.44 | jim | StoBrendo, ok, about this idea of "launching a .deb", .debs have all kinds of different software, they start in different ways, and some just install things and do not start anything (this is the usual case) |
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| 08:18.22 | Mava | rozie: probably the sshfs is the right directions |
| 08:18.23 | StoBrendo | the unity3d package i've installed seems to have only .exe executables |
| 08:18.27 | jim | some packages containing server daemons (like web servers or ssh servers) -do- "launch" when you install them |
| 08:18.51 | Mava | rozie: the vpn combined with nfs or samba is way too complicated. since this should cover more than ten users |
| 08:19.30 | Mava | so, i probably should have added simple and lightweight to the list described. but yea, thanks! |
| 08:19.30 | jim | the unity thing, not really sure what that is, but I think installing that package gets you a new choice when you're at the kdm screen |
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| 08:35.55 | venkat_330 | HI I am facing strange issue. I am uing lightdm as my window manager. Trying to set -- session-setup-script=/opt/test.sh Script to run when starting a user session (runs as root) with autologin-user=venkat, this does not invoke my test script. |
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| 08:38.26 | aaro | venkat_330, has test.sh exec permission? |
| 08:38.32 | venkat_330 | yes |
| 08:38.43 | venkat_330 | 755 |
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| 08:44.56 | jim | so yoiu're saying it just doesn't run |
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| 08:54.56 | pingfloyd | venkat_330: how are you sure it isn't invoking? |
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| 08:55.10 | pingfloyd | i.e., it's not like you're in a shell to see when it does |
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| 09:04.52 | osfe | Hi there. I'm in charge to write some simple commands for users in my lab to easily launch some scientific softwares. Multiple versions of these softwares exist and must be available for the user, giving multiple aliases. I would like to provide the users an easy way to know which version is launched when they use a certain alias. |
| 09:05.16 | osfe | Hence, I would like to create a man like command to explicit these aliases |
| 09:06.23 | osfe | for example man soft_alias_ver_12 would launch a small man like page to give the version fo the soft, the lib used, the root dir and so on. |
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| 09:08.48 | the_doc | Hi all, can anyone point me in a guide to configure vino-server in debian 8 from a remote ssh session ? |
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| 09:21.21 | pingfloyd | the_doc: ssh into the remote system and run apt-get install vino |
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| 09:22.57 | the_doc | pingfloyd: next step ? |
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| 09:24.29 | pingfloyd | the_doc: see where it's listening: sudo netstat -tunpl |
| 09:24.57 | pingfloyd | configure the vnc client on the local machine to connect to that port and the server's ip |
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| 09:25.58 | pingfloyd | the_doc: I haven't used vino, but usually package installation should set up the service for you |
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| 09:31.50 | the_doc | pingfloyd: thanks I'll try it |
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| 09:41.58 | Justus | hi |
| 09:42.18 | Justus | I'm trying to install debian on an ideapad 700 17isk, for some weird reason I can't install the mbr |
| 09:42.31 | Justus | it just fails without a really telling error message |
| 09:42.41 | Justus | how can I research what is going wrong in a bit more detail? |
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| 09:43.25 | cart_man | Hi everyone.... I need Debian to cross compile from my Host machine to my Debian Wheezy board using QT4 . Anybody in here that could maybe help me with that? Do I compile the qt4 first and copy libs to each device? Where can I find scripts that will generate cross compiler libs etc? i have no idea where to start |
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| 09:44.00 | petemc | Justus: possibly you need to use uefi |
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| 09:44.33 | Justus | well, the menu said uefi boot, I'm using the netboot image on a usb stick |
| 09:44.45 | Justus | how can I determine what version of grub it is trying to use? |
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| 09:46.13 | Justus | ok, apparently it's the amd64/efi grub installer |
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| 10:26.27 | Justus | oooook, I have found the problem, the installer apparently trys using grub-common |
| 10:26.41 | Justus | I manually installed grub-efi but how can I install that from the installer? |
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| 10:41.04 | quatumman | hello, I have a little sound problem with my debian computer, I can't seem to get the sound to work. I've checked the debian wiki and the speaker-test works but when I play movie on VLC it doesn't work |
| 10:41.38 | quatumman | also when I plug headphones in seems to work but not the speakers |
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| 10:42.03 | Justus | probably the standard screwup pulse presents you with |
| 10:42.17 | quatumman | actually headphones dont work either |
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| 10:42.23 | google77 | hi |
| 10:42.24 | Justus | do you know what audio interface vlc uses? |
| 10:42.41 | google77 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.49 | Justus | also, does anybody here have a good ressource on how to install on a uefi system? |
| 10:43.01 | Justus | cause right now I'm thinking about a biiiiiig hammer |
| 10:43.10 | quatumman | not sure, output module just says automatic |
| 10:43.46 | google77 | justuts |
| 10:43.52 | quatumman | but lists: pulseaudio, alsa sound |
| 10:44.15 | quatumman | audio memory, dummy memory, etc |
| 10:44.34 | quatumman | I also have two sound cards |
| 10:44.47 | google77 | Justus have you tried the Debian wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI |
| 10:45.55 | Justus | "Once the normal installation process has been completed, the second major component with UEFI support comes into play: grub-installer. It will install the grub-efi bootloader to the right location in the ESP and will use efibootmgr to register that bootloader with the firmware. " |
| 10:46.01 | Justus | it doesn't on mine... |
| 10:46.15 | Justus | hence my question |
| 10:46.24 | Justus | because everyone seems to just assume this magically works |
| 10:46.32 | Justus | so when it doesn't you're flat outta luck... |
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| 10:47.17 | ransur0t | quatumman: have you taken a look at settings using alsamixer? |
| 10:47.19 | quatumman | just got this on VLC "pulse audio output error: cannot write: Connection terminated" |
| 10:47.52 | Mava | Justus: whats your pc? |
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| 10:47.58 | google77 | Justus can you load a Live CD on your machine? |
| 10:47.59 | quatumman | looking at alsamixer now as root |
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| 10:48.29 | google77 | Have you tried disabling any fastboot or secureboot features? |
| 10:48.46 | quatumman | HDA Intel HDMI and HDA Intel PCH seem to be my sound cards |
| 10:49.19 | ransur0t | check to make sure all required channels/outputs are not muted |
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| 10:49.49 | Justus | google77: lemme see, I asked on how to manually install grub-efi. want to rephrase that question? ^^ |
| 10:49.52 | quatumman | HDA Intel HDMI is muted I think |
| 10:50.32 | quatumman | S/PDIF?? I am not sure if that needs sound? |
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| 10:51.11 | ransur0t | digital output, probably not necessary unless you're doing some advanced audio recording/processing |
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| 10:51.56 | quatumman | I tried to do a playback using F4 |
| 10:51.59 | quatumman | not working |
| 10:52.03 | quatumman | VLC not working |
| 10:52.13 | google77 | Justus... I haven't seen it. Well let me take a look... |
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| 10:52.29 | quatumman | <auto-mute> is enabled trying with it disabled |
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| 10:52.44 | ransur0t | may want to take a look at /etc/pulse/default.pa, make sure config is correct for your system |
| 10:52.55 | google77 | I would try to do sudo apt install grub-efi and then follow this tutorial: http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd |
| 10:53.27 | ransur0t | the "load-module module-device-restore" line can cause problems |
| 10:53.41 | google77 | UEFI fucking sucks for LINUX |
| 10:53.43 | ransur0t | I've uncommented mine to solve a mic mute issue on my debian laptop |
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| 10:54.04 | google77 | Plus the fact that MS gives out boot keys just makes it worse. |
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| 10:54.54 | Justus | google77: If you now proceed to tell me on what system I am supposed to run apt... |
| 10:54.58 | veek | is there a way to install a deb file via apt-get |
| 10:55.01 | google77 | Someone must create a UEFI secure boot key certification foundation that will handle the keys needed for secure boot to work properly. |
| 10:55.02 | quatumman | pastebin of /etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 10:55.03 | quatumman | http://pastebin.com/cG0CJcER |
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| 10:55.07 | Justus | the tool to open the box is _literally_ INSIDE the box |
| 10:55.08 | veek | i downloaded it from some website |
| 10:55.10 | fernie | uefi works fine and has nothing to do with ms bootkeys |
| 10:55.26 | google77 | Justus on your liveCD. |
| 10:55.47 | Justus | my livecd is a debian netinst... |
| 10:56.02 | themill | Justus: you said netboot earlier -- netboot or netinst? |
| 10:56.08 | Justus | netinst |
| 10:56.10 | Justus | my bad |
| 10:56.19 | veek | can i do a dpkg -i f.deb (but only a test run) |
| 10:56.25 | themill | the recovery mode should be enough to get into the installation |
| 10:56.46 | google77 | Justus, well try getting to a console and doing apt. Otherwise download another livecd from another PC or ask a friend to do it for you. |
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| 10:57.07 | themill | google77, Justus: Debian Live cannot be used to do anything with UEFI |
| 10:57.32 | google77 | themill how so? |
| 10:57.33 | quatumman | fuck speaker-test isn't working now |
| 10:57.35 | ransur0t | quatumman: line 33 is the one I've referred to, it can cause problems, preventing setting changes you've made from being persistent after reboot |
| 10:57.46 | ransur0t | not sure if it is relevant to your situation though |
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| 10:58.01 | google77 | themill we are just trying to fix his grub |
| 11:00.19 | Justus | themill: Well, I have had a rescue console opened, I have the grub command line open right now, but now I'm here and have no clue what to do... |
| 11:00.40 | Justus | I tried booting from the grub command line+ |
| 11:00.53 | Justus | linuxefi /boot/grub/efi.img complains about an invalid signature |
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| 11:01.23 | para000 | hi guys |
| 11:01.34 | para000 | quick quetion |
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| 11:01.47 | para000 | if i have 2 PC with Debian 8 desktop instaleed |
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| 11:02.08 | quatumman | Also there's no sound icon at the top of the screen near the contrast icon |
| 11:02.09 | para000 | how do i connect from one to another, |
| 11:02.11 | para000 | ? |
| 11:02.26 | para000 | but not SSH |
| 11:02.32 | para000 | like remote desktop |
| 11:02.43 | stoimenow_ | vncviewer//vncserver |
| 11:03.14 | para000 | k, thanks |
| 11:03.24 | para000 | can that be installed via SSH? |
| 11:03.45 | stoimenow_ | sure |
| 11:04.04 | para000 | one more question, dunno if that posible |
| 11:04.12 | para000 | i wanna rent a dedicated server |
| 11:04.18 | para000 | it will come with debian 8 on it |
| 11:04.29 | para000 | but i don`t think it will have the desktop version on it |
| 11:04.39 | para000 | can i install desktop verstion via SSH? |
| 11:05.23 | stoimenow_ | what kind of dedicated server... |
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| 11:05.42 | quatumman | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1022:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 11:05.43 | quatumman | Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory |
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| 11:06.18 | para000 | duble xeon, with 128 GB Ram and a GT 640 Nviadia video card |
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| 11:06.28 | para000 | one that can support desktop version |
| 11:06.39 | para000 | i wanna use it for virtualisation |
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| 11:08.56 | para000 | i think is best to test on a VMware first, install a debian 8 with out desktop then try to transform it on a destktop version |
| 11:11.20 | missmbob | para000: you just run tasksel and pick which desktop you want |
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| 11:22.58 | koma | Hello, I need to build a custom netboot image with debian-installer. I've already downloaded the sources and I'm looking at the configuration files. to modify the kernel configration (and add some modules) where I've to look? |
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| 11:24.43 | hexadecimal | Hi o/ |
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| 11:29.28 | hanshenrik | dsf |
| 11:29.51 | hanshenrik | i must applaude you for the excellent error reports, but how can i debug this? http://image.prntscr.com/image/905133fb2bdb4be6b995b2579efc8395.png |
| 11:30.21 | hanshenrik | "there is a fatal error. i won't tell you ANYTHING about the nature of the error, though. have fun figuring it out" |
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| 11:30.58 | dondelelcaro | hanshenrik: see the output on terminal 4 |
| 11:31.09 | dondelelcaro | hanshenrik: it'll give you details on precisely what failed |
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| 11:31.54 | hanshenrik | how do i switch to termnal 4? |
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| 11:32.14 | dondelelcaro | hanshenrik: ctrl-alt-f4 |
| 11:32.14 | petn-randall | hanshenrik: alt+F4 |
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| 11:32.56 | hanshenrik | oh that's better... I/O error; thanks |
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| 11:34.25 | hanshenrik | suggestions? hardware issue maybe? http://image.prntscr.com/image/b22e97caa905441a89fcd7a285e2fba1.png |
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| 11:37.48 | gyh | So quiet? |
| 11:38.00 | WadeWatts | its irc |
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| 11:38.42 | MFrostIT | Do you need a question. |
| 11:38.58 | WadeWatts | .oO(whats the meaning of life) |
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| 11:39.14 | M4GNV5 | 42 |
| 11:39.18 | missmbob | !offtopic |
| 11:39.18 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 11:39.26 | gyh | No questions |
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| 11:41.58 | MFrostIT | I have noticed there is an update for gnupg 1.4 to fix the recent bug . I see no update for gnupg v2. Is that correct? |
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| 11:44.16 | MFrostIT | I haven't checked today though. I am referring to the libgcrypt bug. |
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| 11:46.10 | dondelelcaro | hanshenrik: the actual error is going to be above that in the kernel trace |
| 11:46.28 | dondelelcaro | hanshenrik: it might be an issue with BTRFS, or it might be hardware related; hard to say with the current bit of backtrace |
| 11:47.43 | hanshenrik | ok, thanks, i will try to install 1 more time from scratch, if i get the error again, ill try to get the whole error |
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| 11:53.41 | dondelelcaro | hanshenrik: good luck! |
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| 11:54.23 | hanshenrik | yeah thanks |
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| 12:09.56 | hanshenrik | dondelelcaro, this time grub-install just took a second and no errors occurs, scary ^^ |
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| 12:22.33 | venkat_330 | how to allow non-root user change IP address static IP (/etc/network/interfaces).. |
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| 12:30.04 | fernie | venkat_330: well you could chmod +s /bin/ip and then use it to change addresses and routes etc. or with sudo |
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| 12:36.49 | Flashtek | I would suggest careful use of sudo (or sudoedit)... |
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| 12:46.51 | venkat_330 | fernie: i addes sudo and changed ownership for interfaces file is that the right way?? |
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| 12:52.02 | hanshenrik | does that seem right? when Host match "nerg.ratma.net" AND "User" match "nerg", then ForceCommand ~~ seems like im doing it right or wrong? |
| 12:52.08 | hanshenrik | http://paste.debian.net/795242/ |
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| 13:38.35 | Justus_ | hi, I'm trying to upgrade to testing but it complains that systemd is currently uninstallable due to an impossible dependency with rdnsd |
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| 13:38.41 | m00n_urn | hello! |
| 13:39.16 | missmbob | !testing |
| 13:39.16 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 13:39.20 | zykotick9 | Justus_: welcome to testing. you might want to try #debian-next on the OFTC network for support. |
| 13:39.20 | missmbob | Justus_: go there ^ |
| 13:39.34 | m00n_urn | erm..im quite confused...should i go with mini or netinst? |
| 13:39.42 | Justus_ | ah, missed the network info ^ |
| 13:39.49 | missmbob | m00n_urn: netinst |
| 13:40.11 | m00n_urn | missmbob: what is the big difference other than the size? |
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| 13:43.14 | missmbob | m00n_urn: "There is a last type of image, known as mini.iso, which is only available as a by-product of the installer. The image only contains the minimum required to configure the network and everything else is downloaded (including parts of the installer itself, which is why those images tend to break when a new version of the installer is released)" |
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| 13:48.14 | m00n_urn | nods to missmbob |
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| 13:52.40 | goper | Hello, I just copied my / except proc sys and dev to another disk , and want to make it bootable. I made a bind between dev sys and proc to the new filesystem chrooted myself in it and did updategrub2 , but on boot nothing happens. what can I have done wrong? |
| 13:53.29 | m00n_urn | goper: what do you mean nothing happens? isn't it booting or... |
| 13:53.58 | m00n_urn | goper: why don't you just rsync it to another machine? |
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| 13:54.14 | zykotick9 | goper: did you grub-install? |
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| 13:54.58 | jelly | goper: you'd have to grub-install, update-grub only touches the config files doesn't install a boot loader anywhere |
| 13:55.27 | goper | goper: didn't do grub install , the screen on boot goes blank and doesn't show grub or anything |
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| 13:56.21 | jelly | boot some live linux, mount the installation, bind-mount stuff and chroot into it and fix that |
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| 13:56.51 | goper | doing it, thanks for the help |
| 13:57.35 | jelly | (and fix /etc/fstab if you haven't already) |
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| 14:10.35 | goper | jelly: already have fixed it, thanks |
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| 14:16.22 | m00n_urn | why would anyone choose netinst over mini? has it got any advantages? |
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| 14:17.19 | themill | the netinst can complete without a network connection while the small images require a network connection |
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| 14:17.55 | jim | netinst has the base on the image... if you leave the net unconfigured, it will install the base from the image (rather than go out on the net and get them) |
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| 14:19.26 | m00n_urn | which would you go for if you are setting up a bare-bones server? |
| 14:20.07 | abrotman | m00n_urn: netinst |
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| 14:20.17 | abrotman | m00n_urn: probably with firmware unless you have a moral objection |
| 14:20.57 | m00n_urn | abrotman: im sorry "with" firmware? |
| 14:21.06 | abrotman | dpkg: tell m00n_urn about firmware installer |
| 14:21.10 | abrotman | blah |
| 14:21.14 | abrotman | dpkg: tell m00n_urn about firmware images |
| 14:21.56 | m00n_urn | abrotman: all right. gotcha. :) |
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| 14:40.10 | littlebit | hi people, I have debian installed debian on a 250gb harddrive, and i added another 250gb harddrive. What I wanted to know if I can install mdadm to make a raid1 on my os harddrive? |
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| 14:40.49 | cdown | littlebit: sure, but not trivially without having another medium to store the data on in the interim. |
| 14:41.12 | cdown | ie. not "live" migrating to raid1 |
| 14:43.46 | petn-randall | littlebit: If you already have LVM, you can create a degraded RAID1 on the other disk, move the LV over and then wipe the first disk and add it to the RAID1. If you don't have LVM, you have to take the system offline, and do something similar with the root partition. |
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| 15:12.13 | queso | Is there a rough statistic somewhere to see how many installations there are of jessie, wheezy, testing, and sid? |
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| 15:14.27 | SynrG | queso: http://popcon.debian.org/ |
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| 15:14.48 | SynrG | it won't give you absolute numbers. just relative proportions |
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| 15:15.04 | SynrG | because only a percentage of people use popcon. so you need to extrapolate |
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| 15:16.33 | radw62 | hello, the option status=progress on dd not work |
| 15:16.55 | radw62 | shows "invalid option" |
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| 15:18.13 | radw62 | even man dd lists "status" |
| 15:18.13 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.13 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:18.25 | SynrG | it doesn't say anything about "progress" though |
| 15:19.09 | radw62 | SynrG: so, how can I monitor the progress??, because pv dont work either... |
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| 15:20.05 | radw62 | or i have to input dd if=/dev/sdb |pv|dd of=/dev/sdc on root |
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| 15:21.13 | radw62 | yes, in root worked, but you know, is not the prefered method... |
| 15:22.46 | SynrG | are you sure it's even copying when it's not root? |
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| 15:24.04 | radw62 | SynrG: i mean, in sudo, cpoy, but you cant know the progress |
| 15:24.16 | radw62 | *you can copy |
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| 15:25.45 | queso | SynrG: Thanks |
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| 15:33.46 | no_gravity | Hello! When screen in a terminal is frozen - what are the keys to try? I tried CTRL-q and nothing happens. |
| 15:34.44 | no_gravity | Ha, it started working again! |
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| 15:35.04 | fred1807 | how do I get a newer version of e2fsck on jessie? |
| 15:35.28 | colo-work | fred1807, install e2fsprogs from backports |
| 15:35.30 | colo-work | ,v e2fsprogs |
| 15:35.31 | judd | Package: e2fsprogs on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.42.12-1.1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.42.12-2; jessie-backports: 1.43-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.43.1-1; sid: 1.43.1-1 |
| 15:36.05 | fred1807 | colo-work: ok, so how do I do this , can you point me a way, I ll do the rest |
| 15:36.30 | colo-work | fred1807, it's detailed on https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 15:36.42 | fred1807 | thankU |
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| 15:42.00 | fred1807 | colo-work: added backports to souces, after apt-get update e2fsprogs wont update to a newer version, what am I missing? |
| 15:42.35 | colo-work | the document tells you, fred1807. # apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package" |
| 15:42.51 | colo-work | you have to opt-in to backports on a per-package basis |
| 15:43.01 | fred1807 | yes, done, thankU |
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| 15:44.59 | temuccio | Hello All |
| 15:45.08 | temuccio | I have one question from my old notebook |
| 15:45.21 | appas | ask away |
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| 15:45.56 | temuccio | until yesterday I use my old notebook with debian jessie installed without X |
| 15:46.08 | temuccio | because I use it for home server |
| 15:46.35 | SynrG | radw62: did you sudo both ends of the dd? that's why i asked if you knew if it were copying at all ... |
| 15:46.43 | temuccio | now I have sobstiture the notebook with raspberry pi 3 and I would like to install X |
| 15:46.59 | temuccio | I have try lxde |
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| 15:47.49 | temuccio | but doesn't work....after startlxde I see only gray and white horizontal row and the debian freeze |
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| 15:48.15 | temuccio | With CTRL+ALT+Fx I can't have access to shell |
| 15:48.22 | temuccio | do you can help me |
| 15:48.27 | temuccio | do you can help me? |
| 15:49.57 | temuccio | On xorg.log doesn't have any error |
| 15:50.15 | temuccio | but the last line is LoadModule: "glx" |
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| 15:50.36 | temuccio | and Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
| 15:51.03 | temuccio | I have make a /etc/X11/xorg.conf with glx commented, but doesn't work |
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| 16:09.21 | okdamn | Do you know of any dedicated server with pre-installed routines like: securing, ngnix etc ? |
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| 16:23.34 | misscristina | http://www.renegadetribune.com/why-was-gaddafi-killed/ |
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| 16:25.29 | Overand | Is there a 'sane' way for me to make a Debian install on a USB device that will actually live in a *file* (loop device?) on said USB device, which is formatted FAT32 - and booted via syslinux? |
| 16:26.02 | Overand | I'm making a banannas USB multiboot, which so far has a few LiveCDs *plus* a Windows 10 installer - terrifying, I know. |
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| 16:27.06 | Overand | I figure I can make a 'liveUSB' environment with data persistence, which is nice (and may be an option as well), but rather than having that whole 'here's a file with a bunch of diff-ish data from your original .iso image,' if I want to keep this thing up-to-date, I'd rather it more closely resemble a standard install, albeit with this weird loop device |
| 16:27.31 | apathor | good afternoon. after modifying /etc/network/interfaces.d/ configs is ifdown then ifup the correct means of reloading? |
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| 16:27.41 | Overand | (I may just end up repartitioning this thing and doing a standard install on EXT4 or whatever) |
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| 16:55.14 | stoned | apathor: sure |
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| 17:05.51 | therealfibonacci | hello. anyone had luck with respond cms installation ? |
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| 17:15.29 | Antithesis_ | hello |
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| 17:16.37 | Antithesis_ | Been trying to install debian last night and this morning, anyone know why the installation might not be able to find the flash drive after partitioning the drive I want to install on? |
| 17:16.41 | Antithesis_ | very frustrating |
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| 17:18.02 | Antithesis_ | I forgot the exact message but it asks me to insert the flash drive and hit enter, but nothing happens... even after reinsertion. Tried making a new flash drive and everything |
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| 17:19.06 | zykotick9 | "message... insert the flash drive..." <- what?!?! |
| 17:19.52 | Antithesis_ | exactly my reaction |
| 17:20.13 | zykotick9 | Antithesis_: are you removing the install media during this process? |
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| 17:20.23 | Antithesis_ | after partitioning the drives it says can't find installation media insert the drive |
| 17:20.29 | Antithesis_ | something along those lines |
| 17:20.35 | Antithesis_ | no |
| 17:20.44 | zykotick9 | Antithesis_: did you use unetbootin to create the install media? |
| 17:20.51 | Antithesis_ | rufus |
| 17:20.59 | missmbob | !rufus |
| 17:20.59 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 17:21.02 | zykotick9 | ahhh, same crap different day. best of luck. |
| 17:21.02 | missmbob | dont do that |
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| 17:21.17 | missmbob | if on windows use win32diskimager |
| 17:21.20 | missmbob | !win32diskimager |
| 17:21.20 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 17:22.08 | Antithesis_ | I've used rufus before for arch and stuff like that. I've had problems with unetbootin before but ill give it a shot |
| 17:22.21 | missmbob | doesnt matter. debian's hybrid breaks with it |
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| 17:23.59 | Antithesis_ | man if the works... can't believe wasted a few hours tryingo finnegle this |
| 17:24.16 | missmbob | Antithesis_: you're not using the testing installer, right? you're using stable? |
| 17:24.22 | Antithesis_ | yeah |
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| 17:25.24 | SynrG | Antithesis_: once upon a time, there were no hybrid images. then there came a proliferation of tools to tear them apart and put them back together again into bootable USBs. this worked, some of the time. unfortunately, it mangled debian images. and in any case, a hybrid image doesn't need to be torn apart and put together again to make bootable. |
| 17:25.25 | Antithesis_ | idk if it matters anymore but does usb 3 mess with stuff? |
| 17:25.45 | missmbob | no |
| 17:25.47 | SynrG | so it's a case of the tool you chose doing "too much" to the image |
| 17:26.00 | SynrG | when all that was really needed was a byte-by-byte exact copy of the image to the USB |
| 17:26.07 | Antithesis_ | I see |
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| 17:26.33 | SynrG | i am told that rufus has some option to do an exact copy like that ... |
| 17:26.39 | SynrG | i can't vouch for it, though |
| 17:26.42 | SynrG | never used it |
| 17:26.52 | Antithesis_ | I just assumed rufus knew what it was doing haha, used it for pretty much every distro Ive tried |
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| 17:27.09 | SynrG | it is simplistic in its assumptions |
| 17:27.18 | stoned | It does. |
| 17:27.38 | stoned | There is a dd copy mode and a unpack ISO mode, format as fat32, then copy the files and then the bootlaoder. |
| 17:27.51 | stoned | Don't use the ISO mode. Use the dd mode |
| 17:28.16 | stoned | WTF ever do they have to unpack the thing and ... just... convoluted nonsense. |
| 17:28.23 | SynrG | Antithesis_: apparently this is the secret sauce for rufus ^ |
| 17:28.40 | stoned | Well, it's not Rufus that has the problem. |
| 17:28.48 | stoned | The problem lies in ignornace of how the tool works. |
| 17:29.14 | SynrG | well. if rufus aspires to be a universal tool, it should be more intelligent selecting the mode of operation :p |
| 17:29.26 | SynrG | 9 times out of 10 the user will get it wrong |
| 17:29.30 | stoned | I agree, but intelligence is... overrated :) |
| 17:29.37 | stoned | Oh absolutely. |
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| 17:30.05 | SynrG | Antithesis_: if you like rufus and care about the issue, maybe file a bug against it with this suggestion? :) |
| 17:30.06 | stoned | I use whatever, Rufus, win32diskimages, whatever. I don't care. But users... Rufus does tend to fuck up a lot more often than note |
| 17:30.07 | stoned | not* |
| 17:30.14 | SynrG | Antithesis_: let them know how much pain not having this feature caused you |
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| 17:30.41 | stoned | There is dd for windows too, btw |
| 17:30.44 | stoned | !gnu32 |
| 17:30.50 | stoned | hm. I thought i made one years ago. |
| 17:30.51 | missmbob | well the install guide does tell you to use win32diskimager...he just didn't read the instructions :P |
| 17:31.03 | Antithesis_ | I dont really understand, rufus wont let me select the .iso file for a dd image |
| 17:31.03 | SynrG | dd for windows, but which version? nah. every version i ever tried of that had issues |
| 17:31.09 | SynrG | on one platform or another |
| 17:31.16 | stoned | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/coreutils.htm |
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| 17:31.24 | SynrG | Antithesis_: try 'all files' in the file dialog filter? |
| 17:31.28 | stoned | It work son \\PhysicalDisk1\etc etc. windows univeral paths |
| 17:31.33 | SynrG | Antithesis_: it's probably stupid about the extensions it likes |
| 17:31.40 | stoned | so you can dd iso to a stick using gnu32 coreutil |
| 17:31.45 | stoned | if you feel comfortable with that |
| 17:31.47 | SynrG | Antithesis_: if it won't let you do that, rename the image file to something it likes. |
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| 17:32.01 | stoned | !gnu32 is http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/coreutils.htm |
| 17:32.02 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
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| 17:32.11 | SynrG | (i say this never having seen rufus before ... i'm assuming some sort of standard file open dialog though) |
| 17:32.32 | Antithesis_ | I had to restart the program... whoops |
| 17:32.48 | stoned | just use win32diskimages. Rufus isn't supported here no matter the craziness of its' mods |
| 17:32.49 | stoned | modes* |
| 17:32.52 | stoned | imager* |
| 17:33.54 | stoned | And follow the install guide. You'll be fine. |
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| 17:34.00 | SynrG | stoned: crazy-ass filepaths with no realtion to usual addressing of drives on Windows is not exactly user friendly :) |
| 17:34.14 | SynrG | like i said, every dd version i ever saw had its issues |
| 17:34.21 | SynrG | (on windows) |
| 17:34.21 | stoned | *nod* |
| 17:34.39 | stoned | This does too. I forgot exactly what. I ran into some hiccups myself circa 2009 |
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| 17:37.12 | Antithesis_ | I just wish this new laptop I bought came already set up perfectly for working :/ was so motivated last night -- bam all of a sudden can't get anything to work |
| 17:37.49 | missmbob | Antithesis_: you should've said it was a laptop :P you should use the firmware iso for that |
| 17:37.58 | SynrG | Antithesis_: just think how good it will feel once the punishment ends |
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| 17:38.26 | missmbob | Antithesis_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:38.42 | SynrG | ah, that too |
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| 17:38.52 | stoned | preseed your shiznat. |
| 17:39.12 | stoned | Then deploy debian installs in a breeze anywhere, your configs your setup, no matter what machine |
| 17:39.16 | SynrG | stoned: and *that* is less punishment? :) |
| 17:39.22 | stoned | You know, you gotta get those things prepared |
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| 17:39.27 | stoned | Setup one, use forever. |
| 17:39.40 | stoned | SynrG: sure, after a while you learn to make things easy for yourself. |
| 17:40.06 | SynrG | if you do it enough times ... and each time resembles the last time closely enough ... and assuming everything doesn't change out from under you in the interim :) |
| 17:40.31 | stoned | It's not always a one shot solution, but it gets most of the tedious work out of the way |
| 17:41.43 | Antithesis_ | Installing arch was the biggest mistake of my life |
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| 17:41.51 | Antithesis_ | that shit took eons |
| 17:42.11 | Antithesis_ | the guide is so terse and if anything goes wrong you just have to figure it out |
| 17:42.14 | stoned | I can get a new debian system up in less than 20 minutes from scratch |
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| 17:42.35 | stoned | full desktop or server even, unles sI have to redo the configs or can't copy over stuff. |
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| 17:42.54 | stoned | Debian is ... Well I tried everything since 1994 |
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| 17:43.18 | stoned | Some guy form CyberArmy gave me a copy of debian in 2001ish |
| 17:43.31 | stoned | I tried the Ubuntu, the Fedoras and all of the pop ones. |
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| 17:43.41 | stoned | I always use debian b/c I can't use anything else. Words escape me atm. |
| 17:43.46 | stoned | But just.. debian++ |
| 17:43.57 | Antithesis_ | I used windows for the past couple years because of gaming, but I dont really game anymore so I've full switched on all my computer except this one |
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| 17:45.13 | Antithesis_ | I think gnome 3 is very good looking so idk why I havent given it a shot sooner |
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| 17:45.47 | stoned | You want to use what the senses fine pleasing? |
| 17:45.51 | stoned | Or what is most useful? |
| 17:46.03 | stoned | Gnome.. isn't useful. I'm very opinionated. |
| 17:46.24 | stoned | You see screenshots of gnome3, you visual sense collects that data from the outsdie world |
| 17:46.24 | Antithesis_ | I spent a bunch of time setting up gnome3 though in ubuntu, then spent all my time in a fullscreen vim lol |
| 17:46.34 | stoned | The image is forme din your mind, you see yourself using ti and setting it up |
| 17:46.39 | stoned | Desire is born at this moment. |
| 17:46.42 | stoned | Be aware of your cognition. |
| 17:46.47 | stoned | Use what works best. |
| 17:46.59 | stoned | don't be a slave to the enterprise of desire and a serf to the senses. |
| 17:47.02 | stoned | *afk* |
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| 17:48.04 | Antithesis_ | True, didn't realize would get such a trascendental response |
| 17:48.13 | zykotick9 | hehe |
| 17:48.36 | Antithesis_ | I have always liked design and that sort of thing so its just kinda fun for me to set that stuff up even though I don't really use it |
| 17:48.51 | stoned | I use Xmonad |
| 17:48.54 | stoned | simple, easy peasy |
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| 17:49.34 | Antithesis_ | I'll give it a try |
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| 17:50.11 | SynrG | Antithesis_: that's just stoned :) |
| 17:50.23 | SynrG | (the transcendental response) |
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| 17:50.49 | SynrG | Antithesis_: i tried gnome 3 for a while, customized it a bit, found it mostly usable |
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| 17:51.09 | SynrG | Antithesis_: i think it's a not too bad effort at trying to make things simpler. however, simpler is not always better. |
| 17:51.18 | stoned | https://stoned.io/images/debian-8.2-09-01-2016-1-xmonad.png |
| 17:51.21 | stoned | :) |
| 17:51.40 | stoned | Antithesis_: you might like my transcendental blog! :) same domain. |
| 17:51.44 | SynrG | Antithesis_: i think a lot of the frustration (or outrage) against gnome 3 has been from seasoned linux desktop users who suddenly found their hands tied when trying to make the desktop do their bidding |
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| 17:51.57 | SynrG | particularly in the earlier versions of gnome 3 |
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| 17:52.13 | Antithesis_ | my favorite book is walden. am I qualified to read your blog : D |
| 17:52.15 | stoned | My problem lies w/ the core GTK2 dialog designs |
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| 17:52.25 | stoned | File open/save and various other dialogs are terrible. |
| 17:52.41 | stoned | KDE is ... more uhm... better in XUI |
| 17:52.46 | stoned | UI* |
| 17:53.21 | stoned | The shape, placement of widgets, controls, etc. etc. |
| 17:53.28 | stoned | GTK feels awkward at best. |
| 17:53.54 | stoned | Antithesis_: sure. |
| 17:53.57 | stoned | Antithesis_: ever heard of Emerson? |
| 17:54.10 | Antithesis_ | Yeah, Self-Reliance my man |
| 17:54.14 | stoned | If you can read and understand Emerson, you can definitely get me. |
| 17:54.28 | stoned | To believe your own thought, to beleive what is true for you in your own private heart is true for all men... |
| 17:54.29 | stoned | That is genius. |
| 17:54.30 | Antithesis_ | I'd rather never read a book, then become a satellite |
| 17:54.31 | stoned | :) |
| 17:54.35 | SynrG | #debian-offtopic *cough* |
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| 17:55.18 | Antithesis_ | Leaves of Grass is also my favorite book haha |
| 17:55.32 | Antithesis_ | Emerson inspired lot of cool genius |
| 17:55.33 | stoned | Come to ##stoned and we chat. |
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| 18:11.10 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: fakeroot debian/rules target |
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| 18:12.27 | JyZyXEL | dondelelcaro: /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 178: debin/rules: No such file or directory |
| 18:12.33 | JyZyXEL | i guess it needs to be run without the fakeroot? |
| 18:12.42 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: it needs to be run without a typo |
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| 18:14.20 | JyZyXEL | FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'kernel-wedge' |
| 18:14.22 | JyZyXEL | debian/rules:108: recipe for target 'debian/control-real' failed |
| 18:14.24 | JyZyXEL | psh :( |
| 18:14.45 | JyZyXEL | gencontrol.py was supposed to generate the control file for me |
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| 18:14.48 | Comons | Hello, you nice server irc quakenet org | #philosophy - #apple | web: http://ircmaster.org |
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| 18:16.00 | JyZyXEL | ok, apparently i need apt install kernel-wedge :p |
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| 18:18.38 | unborn | stoned: can I pm you? :) |
| 18:18.45 | unborn | evening everyone |
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| 18:36.50 | m1dnight_ | Hey guys, just switched to Debian. I have to install the firmware for my audiocard, I think. |
| 18:37.01 | m1dnight_ | I have found the proper page that lists the firmware I need: https://packages.debian.org/nl/jessie/firmware-realtek |
| 18:37.07 | m1dnight_ | I have also put the files on an usb drive, but I don't know how to install them. |
| 18:37.45 | nkuttler | m1dnight_: just install the package |
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| 18:38.00 | nkuttler | you might have to reboot i guess, or reload the proper modules.. |
| 18:38.01 | missmbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.02 | dpkg | removes a speen from missmbob and replaces it with foo.deb if you already have it downloaded |
| 18:38.15 | m1dnight_ | But I can't find the .deb file. All I find are .tar.gz files? |
| 18:38.17 | nkuttler | m1dnight_: just apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 18:38.28 | m1dnight_ | That's not in there, yet. I might be missing ome sources. |
| 18:38.33 | missmbob | you have to have non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:38.39 | m1dnight_ | Ah, I clicked the download on the left of the page.At the bottom is the proper link. |
| 18:38.40 | nkuttler | !tell m1dnight_ about sources.list |
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| 18:39.05 | nkuttler | m1dnight_: firmware-realtek only seems to have network drivers though |
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| 18:40.18 | m1dnight_ | Aha! I have solved it,I think >D |
| 18:40.33 | m1dnight_ | Ah, then it must be the network card. I thought realtek = audio. |
| 18:40.38 | m1dnight_ | Power of habit I guess. |
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| 18:40.52 | m1dnight_ | thanks for the prompt response guys. Appreciate it. |
| 18:40.53 | nkuttler | m1dnight_: lsmod | grep snd ? |
| 18:42.49 | unborn | m1dnight_: yeah you missing something... it calls a brain :) http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_0.43_all.deb install it reboot and you should be fine. |
| 18:43.05 | m1dnight_ | Oh, you are such a nice person. |
| 18:43.17 | stoned | unborn: sure. |
| 18:43.24 | unborn | :) |
| 18:43.27 | stoned | I'll reply whenver I do, but you may. |
| 18:43.57 | unborn | nods stoned |
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| 18:50.53 | gajus | https://gist.github.com/gajus/cce50bec0f8272daf8743a92e349f75f |
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| 18:51.03 | gajus | can anyone explain why new date is not being picked up? |
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| 18:51.16 | gajus | this is running in a docker container, just in case |
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| 19:05.21 | afx_ | Hello ! Whenever I run a gui program from terminal I get this message : Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" . I am running jessie x64 |
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| 19:05.41 | afx_ | found this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/gtk-message-failed-to-load-module-canberra-gtk-module-936168/ but this is from 2012 . Should I go for it ? |
| 19:06.01 | Lionyx | hello guys, I'm having some trouble with a samsung chromebook... all I wanna do is " dd if=${MNT}/boot/vmlinuz.signed of=/dev/mmcblk0p6 bs=4M" I get the error "dd: error writing â/dev/mmcblk0p6â: No space left on device" |
| 19:06.26 | Lionyx | May anybody help-me with this? |
| 19:07.24 | v4rp1ng | Lionyx: you can't write something to a device node |
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| 19:07.36 | v4rp1ng | you have to mount the device first |
| 19:07.44 | v4rp1ng | no wrong |
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| 19:09.13 | v4rp1ng | what does fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0p6 say? |
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| 19:10.13 | th0r | Lionyx, are you trying to upgrade the kernel on a pi? |
| 19:10.22 | saml | where do you put Acquire::AllowInsecureRepositories configuration? |
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| 19:11.00 | Lionyx_ | Hi sorry, i've got disconnected |
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| 19:11.15 | Lionyx_ | why can't I write to this /dev ? |
| 19:11.18 | v4rp1ng | Lionyx_: what does fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0p6 say? |
| 19:11.18 | th0r | Lionyx, are you trying to upgrade the kernel on a pi? |
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| 19:12.09 | v4rp1ng | Lionyx_: why can't I write to this /dev ? <---- forget that I was thinking about something else |
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| 19:12.27 | Lionyx_ | v4rp1ng: http://pastebin.com/XuEr5ULP this is what I got |
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| 19:13.06 | Lionyx_ | th0r: i'm trying to get a 3rd kernel added to a samsung chromebook |
| 19:13.22 | v4rp1ng | Lionyx_: are you sure that is the right dev? |
| 19:13.33 | v4rp1ng | try lsblk |
| 19:13.53 | v4rp1ng | paste output |
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| 19:14.27 | Lionyx_ | v4rp1ng: http://pastebin.com/X1hVxVF2 |
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| 19:14.39 | th0r | Lionyx_, well, my experience goes back to compiling my own kernels. You don't 'dd' vmlinuz you just copy it over, but actually I think vmlinuz is a link to one of the kernels available. |
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| 19:16.20 | Lionyx_ | why is it write protected or full? |
| 19:16.24 | sbeex | hello guys. I have an iptables problem. I installed jenkins on my debian 8 (port 81) everything worked fine. Installed docker both worked fine. reboot -> only docker still works. Jenkins port is not opened... (I have red docker rewrite it's own iptables rules) do you have a good and clean solution to allow incomming connection to port 81 ? |
| 19:16.29 | v4rp1ng | Lionyx_: you will not get the kernel to this device. it's just 512B in size |
| 19:16.32 | th0r | Lionyx_, but it has been ages since I messed with all that. Now I run pi for everything so don't have the 'luxury' of playing like that <smile> |
| 19:17.43 | Lionyx_ | this tutorial asks to copy the highest priority kernel, then ad some stuff, create vmlinuz and then dd into this partition |
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| 19:19.06 | v4rp1ng | Lionyx_: seems to be the wrong dev. thats what I can say from this point |
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| 19:21.46 | Lionyx_ | the tutorial says it's right |
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| 19:21.53 | Lionyx_ | it's the place where KERNEL3 is |
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| 19:22.07 | Lionyx_ | cgpt show /dev/mmcblk0 <--- shows that |
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| 19:23.26 | v4rp1ng | Lionyx_: yeah, but mmcblk0p6 is only 512B in size |
| 19:23.59 | Lionyx_ | can I risk to copy it to other dev? |
| 19:24.08 | v4rp1ng | what does a search engine say about "chromebook mmcblk0p6 only 512B" |
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| 19:26.28 | Lionyx_ | aparently nothing usefull |
| 19:26.46 | v4rp1ng | seems like |
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| 19:34.54 | jfcaron | I would suggest putting more prominent and concise instructions for newbies on how to install a basic Debian desktop system using a netinstall USB stick, with instructions on creating said stick from various popular operating systems. |
| 19:35.59 | ioudas | Anyone know a decent vpn server for debian that isnt open vpn? |
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| 19:37.25 | pablo_ | hi guys |
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| 19:42.19 | pablo_ | in a deb package repository, doesn anybody knows how to rebuild the packages db? |
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| 19:43.08 | fernie | ioudas: ocserv, but its only in testing and unstable |
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| 19:44.48 | lenswipe | hey folks |
| 19:45.02 | lenswipe | my debian box is unhappy because (I think) a partition is full |
| 19:45.08 | lenswipe | (I think its /tmp) |
| 19:45.28 | lenswipe | how do I: 1. Resize it to be a bit bigger and 2. Double check that it is /tmp |
| 19:45.39 | lenswipe | ....it might be /boot - I don't recall |
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| 19:52.32 | AimHere | lenswipe, 'df' should tell you which partitions are full |
| 19:52.43 | lenswipe | AimHere, thanks |
| 19:53.01 | lenswipe | currently battling with winshit's telementry using up 95% of my laptop disk IO |
| 19:53.02 | lenswipe | >: { |
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| 19:55.45 | BL4DE | hello |
| 19:56.21 | BL4DE | I was wondering is there any advantage of using wayland instead of xorg in a libvirt QEMU virtual machine? |
| 19:56.47 | lenswipe | AimHere, okay, so i just ran df |
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| 19:57.22 | lenswipe | AimHere, i got this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/95b5ff82cb2a11920212f9ed226652f7 |
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| 19:58.37 | AimHere | I get a 404 |
| 19:59.06 | lenswipe | yeah, i just noticed i wasnt signed in so i deleted the gist so i could repost it from my account |
| 19:59.21 | lenswipe | unfortunately my internet is being a laggy piece of shit right now so thats taking a while |
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| 19:59.40 | lenswipe | AimHere, https://gist.github.com/robertmain/a495467dc3b36520705748ba7d542b80 |
| 19:59.42 | lenswipe | there we go |
| 20:00.12 | AimHere | Well it's clear that your '/' partition is full |
| 20:00.35 | lenswipe | clearly |
| 20:00.41 | lenswipe | the question is - how do i expand it |
| 20:00.57 | lenswipe | this has been an issue for a long time - i just dont know how to fix it |
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| 20:01.04 | AimHere | There's the 'du' command for finding out where stuff is |
| 20:01.10 | lenswipe | my / partition isn't filling the whole disk - my system disk is a 500GB SSD |
| 20:01.18 | Thasan | Greetings. I have debian box with console only. What I need atleast so I can run run some gui programs over XMing. if I try install kdiff3 it wants to install vlc and many other programs what I dont want/need |
| 20:01.18 | AimHere | You need options applied to it though |
| 20:01.20 | lenswipe | (Samsung Evo 850 if you're interested) |
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| 20:01.42 | lenswipe | well what im trying to do is expand the / partition to fill some more of the empty disk space |
| 20:01.46 | stoned | lenswipe: what's the output of df -h / |
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| 20:02.16 | lenswipe | /dev/sdc1 9.1G 8.6G 0 100% / |
| 20:02.30 | stoned | Why did you make only 10 gb / |
| 20:02.44 | lenswipe | stoned, because i was lazy and didn't bother to change the defaults when i setup debian :p |
| 20:03.02 | lenswipe | my system disk is 500GB so there's room to grow into |
| 20:03.05 | lenswipe | i just dont know ho |
| 20:03.06 | lenswipe | how* |
| 20:03.11 | AimHere | 10 gigs should work for most Debian installs |
| 20:03.31 | lenswipe | AimHere, i do a lot of node stuff which eats away at the system stuff |
| 20:03.33 | AimHere | Outwith the /home directory |
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| 20:03.47 | lenswipe | yh |
| 20:03.50 | lenswipe | /home is on a RAID1 array anyway |
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| 20:05.05 | nicknight | Hi I am not able to install skype |
| 20:05.12 | nicknight | can some one help ? |
| 20:05.28 | lenswipe | not without more information, nicknight |
| 20:05.47 | nicknight | lenswipe: tell me how can I install ? |
| 20:05.59 | lenswipe | nicknight, why are you not able to install skype |
| 20:06.05 | nicknight | i did dpkg -i and .db file |
| 20:06.12 | lenswipe | and? |
| 20:06.18 | nicknight | then install -f |
| 20:06.26 | nicknight | for missing files |
| 20:06.35 | nicknight | I added i386 architecture |
| 20:06.35 | lenswipe | yes, so what's the issue? |
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| 20:06.48 | nicknight | it still throw some errors |
| 20:06.55 | lenswipe | can you provide some of them? |
| 20:07.00 | lenswipe | preferrably all of them |
| 20:07.00 | nicknight | when I open skype it says directory doesnt exists |
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| 20:07.19 | lenswipe | what says that? which directory? |
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| 20:07.32 | nicknight | lenswipe: can't I get mirrir where I can install by apt ? |
| 20:07.44 | lenswipe | assume I'm stupid (I probably am) |
| 20:07.50 | lenswipe | walk me through what happens when you click the skype icon |
| 20:07.54 | stoned | lenswipe: so you have 10gb / on a 500gb ssd, and /home is on some other RAID array. So other than the 10gb partition, rest is unpartitioned free space on 500gb ssd? |
| 20:08.05 | lenswipe | stoned, correct |
| 20:08.07 | stoned | lenswipe: what is the file system? |
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| 20:08.22 | lenswipe | stoned, i believe it's ext4 - is there a way to check? |
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| 20:08.50 | stoned | lenswipe: man file |
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| 20:09.03 | stoned | lenswipe: file -s /dev/sdXX |
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| 20:09.40 | stoned | lenswipe: and if so, man resize2fs |
| 20:10.37 | stoned | lenswipe: since it's root, you might have to do it through debian live |
| 20:10.37 | lenswipe | yep |
| 20:10.37 | lenswipe | ext4 |
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| 20:10.47 | lenswipe | ya - im thinking that |
| 20:10.56 | lenswipe | to be honest, i shouldve done this ages ago |
| 20:10.57 | lenswipe | but ive been too fucking lazy |
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| 20:11.14 | lenswipe | now my GUI won't even start(presumably the logs are full) so that's kinda forced my hand |
| 20:12.16 | stoned | lenswipe: also, when you resize the partition in fdisk, make sure to use the same starting offset etc. |
| 20:12.34 | stoned | Google around for how to resize an ext4 partition without losing data. |
| 20:12.37 | lenswipe | is there a GUI i can use to do this? |
| 20:12.43 | stoned | *facepalm* |
| 20:12.48 | lenswipe | ... |
| 20:12.50 | stoned | I don't know gooey stuff! |
| 20:12.55 | stoned | gooey things are gooey. |
| 20:12.56 | lenswipe | i was wondering if it was doable with gparted |
| 20:13.01 | nicknight | http://paste.debian.net/796028/ lenswipe |
| 20:13.06 | lenswipe | less likely to fuck things up that way |
| 20:13.10 | nicknight | I get this error |
| 20:13.12 | lenswipe | if not, ill do it via CLA |
| 20:13.14 | lenswipe | CLI* |
| 20:13.17 | stoned | lenswipe: I dunno. |
| 20:13.28 | stoned | I guess gparted might do it |
| 20:13.37 | stoned | Check out its features |
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| 20:13.58 | lenswipe | i realise that doing everything via command line is more hardcore and cooler (and i generally do prefer to do things that way) but there's nothing "cool" about a fucked filesystem |
| 20:14.26 | lenswipe | nicknight, looks like you're missing some dependencies |
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| 20:14.30 | lenswipe | where did you get skype from? |
| 20:14.40 | lenswipe | and have you tried apt-get installing those things? |
| 20:14.43 | nicknight | lenswipe: official skype web page |
| 20:14.53 | lenswipe | ^ |
| 20:14.54 | nicknight | can I do install -f ? |
| 20:14.55 | duelle | Is there a reason why debian mirrors do not use HTTPS? |
| 20:15.27 | BL4DE | lenswipe: I dont trust gui software to be ran as root. learned my lesson never again will run package manager or anything else gui as root |
| 20:15.32 | lenswipe | nicknight, no idea - I'm kinda just guessing here but if I were in your position, I'd start by apt-get installing those deps and see if the errors start going down |
| 20:15.45 | lenswipe | BL4DE, if it's a live CD it hardly matters though |
| 20:15.50 | BL4DE | then yeah |
| 20:15.55 | BL4DE | in that case |
| 20:15.56 | nicknight | lenswipe: ok |
| 20:16.06 | lenswipe | which, since I'm resizing my boot partition - it's going to be |
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| 20:21.00 | nicknight | hi any mirrir for skype? |
| 20:21.10 | nicknight | some one help skype neededfor me |
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| 20:22.34 | lenswipe | nicknight, |
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| 20:22.41 | lenswipe | didd that not help? |
| 20:22.51 | nicknight | no |
| 20:22.55 | lenswipe | also - is there a reason you didnt just apt-get install skype? |
| 20:23.26 | nicknight | to doapt-get it should be listed on mirror right? |
| 20:23.32 | lenswipe | right |
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| 20:26.42 | sbeex | Good evening. I have an error with debian repositories : https://gist.github.com/sebastienvermeille/24d918459b33f25b2fa5feeaa7d9ef0a |
| 20:26.48 | sbeex | "unable to fetch" 403 |
| 20:26.58 | sbeex | I don't understand why.. it works on my local machine |
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| 20:30.56 | nicknight | i feel debian sucs |
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| 20:32.48 | lenswipe | nicknight, "I don't know how to use $thing. Therefore $thing sucks" |
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| 20:32.56 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 20:33.47 | tobiasBora | I would like to start a script when the computer suspend, but I would like the script to be run "locally", I do not want to put it in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/ |
| 20:33.53 | tobiasBora | Is there any solution for that ? |
| 20:34.09 | nicknight | lenswipe: yes because even the creater of $ dont know how to solve $ |
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| 20:34.14 | nicknight | thats why |
| 20:34.42 | lenswipe | nicknight, im not the creator of debian |
| 20:34.52 | lenswipe | neither are most of the people in here |
| 20:35.06 | lenswipe | if you want someone to go and bitch at when things don't work - go and buy a mac |
| 20:35.13 | nicknight | nor refering you |
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| 20:35.30 | nicknight | not refering you |
| 20:36.17 | thurstylark | On Wheezy, I got a bell when shutting down, but I'm not getting that on Jessie. Is there a way to enable that again? |
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| 21:00.34 | DeaDSouL | hi, after updating /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname .. how can I restart the network interface to let it reconnect again? from ssh remote session? |
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| 21:02.12 | greycat | Neither of those files has anything to do with your network interfaces. Those are defined in /etc/network/interfaces instead. |
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| 21:03.10 | DeaDSouL | greycat: thanks... but just to know it, how can I make the server disconnect and reconnect from ssh-remote session? |
| 21:03.11 | greycat | If you have modified /etc/network/interfaces and want to cycle an interface that you're ssh'ed in on, you might survive if you do something like: sh -c 'ifdown eth0; sleep 1; ifup eth0' & |
| 21:03.44 | greycat | But if you can cycle eth0 from ANY OTHER direction (e.g. console, or an ssh connection over eth1) then do so. |
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| 21:04.14 | DeaDSouL | greycat: what about wireless connections? |
| 21:04.25 | greycat | When in doubt make sure you have a means of repairing the situation if it goes pear-shaped and you lose your ability to reconnect via ssh. |
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| 21:10.53 | DeaDSouL | I can access my home server via 'deb.local' how can I modify it, so that it's accessible name is 'deb.hom' ? |
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| 21:25.17 | thurstylark | I can't get the beep utility to work. I don't hear anything from my machine when I run it over ssh, or a local tty. lsmod shows pcspkr is loaded, and the beep device in alsa is unmuted and turned all the way up. Is there something I'm missing? |
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| 21:44.42 | thurstylark | Hmm. doesn't even work if I echo \a to the terminal... |
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| 22:01.00 | buruma | How can I automatically mount external devices? After switching from gnome to i3 as window manager,I have to either manually mount them devices, or open the default filebrowser nautilus which mounts them for me |
| 22:01.21 | voicegui | can nayone recomnend me an easy to use GUI application to record my own voice with a microphone. Something like audio-recorder which unfortunately is not available for jessie. |
| 22:01.52 | voicegui | ardour is overkill |
| 22:02.10 | otyugh | audacity? |
| 22:02.23 | voicegui | audacity is overkill |
| 22:02.41 | otyugh | gnome-microphone or such ? |
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| 22:03.04 | otyugh | I don't recall the exact name |
| 22:03.06 | luxio | Is there a way to use Debian Stable, but still have some up-to-date packages? |
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| 22:03.30 | otyugh | luxio, yes, but it is advised against it, but still possible. |
| 22:03.35 | voicegui | does gnome-microphone exist? |
| 22:03.42 | luxio | otyugh: Why is it advised againt? |
| 22:04.11 | missmbob | otyugh: https://backports.debian.org |
| 22:04.18 | otyugh | it's call a frankendebian, modern and less modern libs can be a threat to stability or security |
| 22:04.27 | missmbob | backports.debian.org is not frankendebian |
| 22:04.32 | otyugh | backport is the less damageable |
| 22:04.36 | otyugh | still not supported thought |
| 22:04.46 | missmbob | we support it in here |
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| 22:05.08 | otyugh | Oh ? I recall haerd the contrary. Interesting. |
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| 22:05.23 | luxio | so how do I choose to install a backports package as opposed to a stable package? |
| 22:05.43 | otyugh | Anyway not all software have backported version, you can know throught asking "judd" by "/msg judd ,v audacity" for instance |
| 22:05.57 | missmbob | luxio: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 22:06.17 | voicegui | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.23 | otyugh | voicegui : gnome-sound-recorder |
| 22:07.28 | otyugh | that is the name I was looking for |
| 22:07.53 | otyugh | but anyway |
| 22:08.08 | otyugh | if you think audacity is overkill, just use commandline, and be done with it |
| 22:10.22 | otyugh | (looks very simple : https://jordilin.wordpress.com/2006/07/28/howto-recording-audio-from-the-command-line/) |
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| 22:12.43 | voicegui | have you used gnome-sound-recorder to record your own voice on jessie? |
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| 22:15.33 | luxio | Even when I add jessie-backports, gcc is stuck at 4.9.2 |
| 22:15.45 | luxio | isn't it around 6.2 now? |
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| 22:16.23 | missmbob | not all packages have backports. that one doesnt. and gcc is 6.1.1 in sid btw |
| 22:17.33 | voicegui | otyugh, NO command line please |
| 22:17.38 | somiaj | luxio: not all packages are provided via jessie-backports, pluss due to pinning jessie-backports will not be installed by default. |
| 22:17.45 | somiaj | luxio: what does apt-cache policy gcc return? |
| 22:17.48 | voicegui | have you used gnome-sound-recorder to record your own voice on jessie? |
| 22:18.21 | somiaj | luxio: It looks like gcc has not been backported to jessie. Any raeson you need gcc 6? |
| 22:18.43 | voicegui | BTW gnome-sound-recorder exits with an error |
| 22:18.59 | luxio | somiaj: no specific reason, I'm just deciding between distros |
| 22:19.07 | luxio | running Debian in a VM right now |
| 22:19.19 | missmbob | luxio: dont expect debian to have latest anything. even in backports |
| 22:19.24 | luxio | and I mean, it'd be nice to have the latest software |
| 22:19.32 | missmbob | luxio: then debian isnt for you |
| 22:20.47 | somiaj | luxio: jessie-backports provides select packages for backports, but many things won't be backported. Debian is designed to be a stable/frozen releases in which all the packages are known to work well together. As missmbob said, if you are someone who wants software to update more regurally, debian may not be what you are looking for. |
| 22:22.36 | awal1 | debian unstable/testing may be ^ |
| 22:23.09 | otyugh | ,v gcc |
| 22:23.10 | judd | Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:6.1.1-1; stretch: 4:6.1.1-1 |
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| 22:23.58 | luxio | awal1: yeah but I read that the security can be bad on those |
| 22:24.16 | luxio | "Note that testing does not get the timely security updates from the security team." |
| 22:24.19 | luxio | https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 22:25.45 | otyugh | you could use archlinux, which is designed for updateness sake |
| 22:25.47 | somiaj | luxio: correct, debian stable is known to work and get timely security. Debian unstable/testing are moving targets and things are constantally changing. Side effects of this are low priority for security fixes and a multiude of bugs that may creep in. But a debian release is designed to be frozen and predictable. |
| 22:26.31 | somiaj | luxio: note packages in unstable and testing do get security fixes, but mostly through the normal flow of packages in the constantally changing pre-release. |
| 22:26.31 | otyugh | voicegui, well I tried once and it worked fine on raspberrypi |
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| 22:26.47 | otyugh | but I prefer audacity for the task x) |
| 22:28.24 | otyugh | archlinux is way better, I think, for developers and gamers. Everything is really up to date even if you have to hack a bit sometimes, because a lot of upgrade happens and the staff is smaller than debian's. |
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| 22:29.02 | otyugh | (well I'm not sure for the developper side :O) |
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| 22:29.42 | awal1 | luxio, well, nothing is perfect, you have to choose between security & stability vs bleeding edge |
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| 22:30.31 | otyugh | ...Or Ubuntu which claim to be still okay on the security side. |
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| 22:44.53 | ksft | I'm having trouble booting Debian from a live USB. |
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| 22:45.01 | ksft | I'm on Ubuntu now. |
| 22:45.09 | ksft | I think the problem has to do with EFI. |
| 22:45.23 | missmbob | ksft: live doesnt support that |
| 22:45.31 | ksft | the USB drive doesn't show up in the BIOS's list of boot devices |
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| 22:45.49 | ksft | then how should I install Debian? |
| 22:45.59 | missmbob | ksft: you use the real installer, not live. |
| 22:46.08 | ksft | okay, how do I do that? |
| 22:46.18 | ksft | someone in ##linux suggested I use a live USB thing |
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| 22:46.34 | missmbob | ksft: they're stupid. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 22:46.37 | ksft | I have a largish partition for Ubuntu that I also store a lot of data on |
| 22:46.51 | ksft | I want to be able to use those files from Debain |
| 22:47.00 | ksft | and shrink that partition to fit Debian |
| 22:47.24 | ksft | what do I do with that file? |
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| 22:47.55 | missmbob | cp firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdX (probably sdb, NOT sdb1) |
| 22:48.18 | missmbob | you want to shrink the partition first, though |
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| 22:48.33 | ksft | that's what I was doing before |
| 22:48.40 | ksft | maybe I wasn't trying to create a live USB |
| 22:48.56 | missmbob | i doubt you went to the iso i linked you to. newbies dont find that one |
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| 22:49.32 | ksft | then what do I want? |
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| 22:49.50 | missmbob | i linked you to what you want. |
| 22:50.03 | ksft | I got a file called debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-standard.iso |
| 22:50.10 | ksft | oh, hah |
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| 22:50.16 | missmbob | yeah, that's not what i linked you to. that one doesnt support uefi |
| 22:50.23 | ksft | I misread that as "i doubt you want the iso i linked you to" |
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| 22:50.49 | missmbob | ksft: then show me what you type to get the iso to the usb |
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| 22:51.39 | ksft | missmbob: "cp ~/Downloads/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb"? |
| 22:51.52 | missmbob | you'll need to sudo, but yeah |
| 22:52.04 | missmbob | then sync |
| 22:52.12 | ksft | what does that do? |
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| 22:52.18 | ksft | also, what's /dev/? |
| 22:52.26 | missmbob | flushes the buffer to make sure it's done writing. it's the "eject" on windows |
| 22:52.30 | ksft | ah |
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| 22:52.46 | ksft | just `sync`? |
| 22:52.50 | missmbob | yeah |
| 22:53.11 | ksft | do I need to unmount it first? |
| 22:53.17 | missmbob | no |
| 22:54.02 | missmbob | ksft: keep in mind even though it supports uefi it doesnt support secure boot. make sure that's disabled in bios |
| 22:54.09 | RoyK | I hope you didn't have any data on sdb |
| 22:54.26 | missmbob | stupid live iso |
| 22:54.26 | ksft | it is |
| 22:54.33 | ksft | RoyK: I don't know what sdb is |
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| 22:54.57 | ksft | what is it? |
| 22:55.04 | RoyK | ksft: it's what Windows would call D: |
| 22:55.04 | missmbob | hopefully your flash drive |
| 22:55.16 | ksft | how do I make sure it is? |
| 22:55.31 | missmbob | plug it back in and type dmesg |
| 22:55.32 | RoyK | lsblk |
| 22:55.36 | missmbob | or that |
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| 22:55.41 | ksft | it's been plugged in the whole time |
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| 22:56.19 | missmbob | should still show up if not too many new messages have been logged. if you dont see it, unplug and plug it back in then dmesg again |
| 22:56.31 | ksft | I ran `cp ~/Downloads/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb` |
| 22:56.37 | ksft | it finished suspiciously quickly |
| 22:56.44 | missmbob | ksft: it's tiny. that's normal |
| 22:56.57 | ksft | it's several hundred megabytes |
| 22:57.00 | missmbob | no it's not |
| 22:57.06 | ksft | the file I downloaded is |
| 22:57.08 | RoyK | ksft: erm - smartctl -i /dev/sdb |
| 22:57.09 | missmbob | the one i linked you to is about 270 |
| 22:57.16 | missmbob | ksft: then you cant follow instructions |
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| 22:57.26 | ksft | 267 MB |
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| 22:57.31 | missmbob | yeah, see? |
| 22:57.35 | missmbob | guessing isnt good for you |
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| 22:57.45 | ksft | huh? |
| 22:57.49 | ksft | I called it "several hundred" |
| 22:57.55 | missmbob | 270 is not several |
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| 22:57.59 | ksft | okay |
| 22:58.11 | ksft | now I should be able to boot from it? |
| 22:58.21 | missmbob | assuming everything was done correctly |
| 22:58.41 | ksft | I thought that's what a live USB was |
| 22:58.51 | missmbob | debian live is shit |
| 22:58.56 | ksft | a thing you can boot from |
| 22:59.02 | missmbob | lead developer of it quit several months ago, too. |
| 22:59.07 | ksft | I thought that's what "live USB" meant |
| 23:00.12 | ksft | should I resize the partition before I try to boot from it? |
| 23:00.19 | ksft | if so, how do I do that? |
| 23:01.12 | missmbob | gparted has a live image that can help. http://gparted.org/livecd.php |
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| 23:01.29 | missmbob | make a cd or usb out of that iso and boot into it. you'll get a nice partitioner |
| 23:02.02 | ksft | is there a reason I shouldn't run it in Ubuntu? |
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| 23:02.09 | climjark | hello all! |
| 23:02.20 | ksft | oh, because you can't |
| 23:02.24 | missmbob | ksft: it cant. the drive cant be mounted |
| 23:02.48 | ksft | not sure I have another USB drive I can conveniently use for this |
| 23:03.25 | missmbob | so have it be gparted first, then reboot after shrinking back into ubuntu, then cp the debian iso to the usb again |
| 23:03.25 | ksft | I'll just use the same one |
| 23:03.29 | ksft | yeah |
| 23:04.08 | ksft | I'm guessing it won't be easy to use IRC from gparted |
| 23:04.15 | missmbob | not possible |
| 23:04.26 | ksft | yeah |
| 23:04.38 | ksft | so I should shrink the partition |
| 23:04.51 | missmbob | i there's no unallocated space you have to |
| 23:04.52 | ksft | should I create a new partition, or should I do that when I'm installing Debian? |
| 23:05.02 | missmbob | debian installer will create it |
| 23:05.05 | ksft | okay |
| 23:05.19 | ksft | how do I make sure I don't accidentally delete everything? |
| 23:05.37 | missmbob | do it slowly :P pay very close attention to read everything exactly |
| 23:05.51 | ksft | okay |
| 23:06.11 | ksft | I'm really bad about backups, but I did back up everything important, I think, a few days ago |
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| 23:06.42 | ksft | how much space should I give Debian? |
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| 23:07.04 | DoctorD90 | it depends |
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| 23:07.19 | DoctorD90 | how much is bigger your hdd? |
| 23:07.20 | ksft | if I want to, say, try several window managers, do I need to give it more space, or can I somehow use them from the Ubuntu partition? |
| 23:07.25 | missmbob | at the very least 15G. but really as big as you think you'll need (if you'll be downloading a ton of crap, etc) |
| 23:07.26 | ksft | It's 512 GB |
| 23:07.36 | ksft | I'd like to use the Ubuntu partition for storage |
| 23:07.39 | missmbob | ksft: no you cant use it from ubuntu |
| 23:07.41 | ksft | or maybe create a new one |
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| 23:07.54 | otyugh | separate your /home then |
| 23:07.56 | missmbob | ksft: you can mount the ubuntu partition and save crap to it, though |
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| 23:08.10 | ksft | okay |
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| 23:08.16 | missmbob | he doesnt know what /dev/ is. telling him to separate crap isn't productive |
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| 23:08.28 | DoctorD90 | ksft: 100gb should be good as system |
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| 23:08.36 | ksft | df shows a bunch of things, the biggest of which is /dev/sda8 |
| 23:09.01 | ksft | 215 GB of 322 GB on it are used |
| 23:09.03 | otyugh | debian / : 20Go ubuntu / : 50Go, /home : the rest, and you'll add 2Go if swap in a swapfile or dedicaced partition. |
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| 23:09.18 | ksft | what's "tmpfs"? |
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| 23:09.39 | missmbob | ksft: forget all of that. shrink ubuntu to what you feel comfortable with. then on debian you let the installer take care of the remaining free space automatically |
| 23:09.50 | ksft | which partition is Ubuntu? |
| 23:10.02 | DoctorD90 | missmbob +1 |
| 23:10.05 | ksft | df lists eleven things |
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| 23:10.33 | DoctorD90 | forget df... |
| 23:10.41 | missmbob | ksft: ksft my guess is the largest one you want to shrink. so /dev/sda8 |
| 23:10.43 | ksft | "udev" and "tmpfs" are each 7.8 GB and empty, according to that |
| 23:10.55 | missmbob | yeah dont worry about that |
| 23:11.02 | ksft | but that's like 15 GB |
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| 23:11.06 | `Kevin | lol |
| 23:11.10 | missmbob | you didnt freaking use encryption in ubuntu, did you? |
| 23:11.12 | missmbob | forgot to ask |
| 23:11.15 | ksft | I didn't |
| 23:11.18 | missmbob | good. |
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| 23:11.39 | ksft | mostly because I didn't want things like this to break everything |
| 23:11.46 | `Kevin | ksft: tmpfs is ram not your disk |
| 23:11.53 | ksft | ohh |
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| 23:11.59 | otyugh | >tmpfs is a common name for a temporary file storage facility on many Unix-like operating systems. It is intended to appear as a mounted file system, but stored in volatile memory instead of a persistent storage device. |
| 23:12.25 | DoctorD90 | ksft: follow missmbob suggests. he knows what he is suggesting to you |
| 23:12.29 | ksft | okay |
| 23:12.35 | otyugh | Kevin : could be on swap too right ? |
| 23:12.41 | otyugh | not necessarly on ram |
| 23:13.27 | DoctorD90 | otyugh: tu es français? :P |
| 23:13.29 | ksft | is it possible and a good idea to move /home onto a separate partition I can use from both Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 23:13.30 | otyugh | well I second missmbob. |
| 23:13.54 | otyugh | DoctorD90, crappy english or IP location gave me up ? |
| 23:14.05 | missmbob | ksft: you can. not recommended between distros. for it to not cause problems uuid guid, etc, have to match |
| 23:14.15 | ksft | okay |
| 23:14.21 | missmbob | ksft: and then different version of programs have different config files (stored in /home) |
| 23:14.25 | DoctorD90 | otyugh Go as GigaByte :P hehe |
| 23:14.26 | ksft | what about just ~/Documents? |
| 23:14.30 | missmbob | so one version wont know how to read the new format, etc |
| 23:14.34 | `Kevin | otyugh: in crap scenarios sure :) |
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| 23:14.59 | missmbob | ksft: you dont need a seperate partition, though. you can mount all of ubuntu in debian. |
| 23:15.15 | ksft | wouldn't it be better to just mount what I need? |
| 23:15.21 | missmbob | it'd be easier |
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| 23:15.30 | ksft | I wish I had set this up better when I installed Ubuntu |
| 23:15.42 | ksft | maybe I'll just mount Ubuntu and store stuff there |
| 23:15.51 | ksft | do it better next time |
| 23:16.09 | missmbob | gotta go for a bit. good luck. |
| 23:16.14 | DoctorD90 | nigth guys ;) |
| 23:16.16 | otyugh | we always regret our partitionning choices someday x) |
| 23:16.20 | ksft | wait noo! |
| 23:16.33 | ksft | is everyone who knows what they're doing leaving? |
| 23:17.01 | ksft | is 25 GB good for everything that needs to be on the same partition as Debian? |
| 23:17.04 | ksft | 20 GB? |
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| 23:17.53 | ksft | I assume gparted can shrink partitions so that it only removes empty space from that partition |
| 23:17.56 | ksft | right? |
| 23:18.05 | epsilon | ksft: default install with desktop? yes |
| 23:18.43 | ksft | epsilon: possibly several desktop environments |
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| 23:18.56 | ksft | haven't decided on my favorite yet |
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| 23:19.20 | epsilon | ksft: first time using linux? |
| 23:19.30 | ksft | no, I've been using Ubuntu for a couple years or so |
| 23:19.38 | ksft | just haven't used any except Unity much |
| 23:20.00 | ksft | I like xfce, and I want to try i3 |
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| 23:20.53 | epsilon | ksft: try debian live cd first, it has cinnamon, gnome, kde, lsde, mate, xfce for tryout |
| 23:21.28 | ksft | missmbob just suggested I not use a live thing |
| 23:21.30 | awal1 | ksft, excluding /home stuff, you can 20gb are enough for install all DEs/WMs available in debian |
| 23:21.53 | ksft | awal1: what's "/home stuff"? |
| 23:22.03 | ksft | you mean things I store there? |
| 23:22.10 | awal1 | yeah |
| 23:22.15 | ksft | I plan to use the Ubuntu partition for most of my storage |
| 23:22.22 | awal1 | i dont know, books, audio, video stuff |
| 23:22.41 | ksft | yeah |
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| 23:23.09 | ksft | I have an external drive, but I can't get to it for a couple days |
| 23:23.36 | ksft | I'm going to wait until then and then store a disk image on it before I try to change the partitions |
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| 23:25.10 | otyugh | 25GB is fine for debian, as long as you only use it for system |
| 23:25.27 | otyugh | if the /home is in it, it will probably get tight pretty soon |
| 23:25.34 | ksft | okay |
| 23:25.44 | otyugh | alas again, depends a lot on the software you chose |
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| 23:25.52 | ksft | I just realized that the external drive I was going to use might not be big enough |
| 23:26.20 | ksft | maybe I'll give it 30 GB |
| 23:26.34 | otyugh | But I personnaly use debian for 3 years now, and "/" without home is 15GB. |
| 23:27.10 | otyugh | (not very helping thought, the archlinux I use for gaming is more close to 150 GB) |
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| 23:29.00 | epsilon | na, xfce without home requires like 3 GB |
| 23:29.10 | awal1 | Wonders how many gbs are needed for install all the software available in debian (40000 +). maybe something like 50/60 gb (?) |
| 23:29.24 | awal1 | epsilon, much less then that |
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| 23:29.51 | otyugh | agin depends of what you'll had time passing throught. |
| 23:30.05 | glowing_apple | Hi, I'm running debian testing and having issues with KDE over a VNC session. KDE runs fine on the attached display, but running a vncserver session all I get is a grey screen. I installed xfce4 and it works fine over VNC, but KDE doesn't seem to be loading. I'm not really sure where to start troubleshooting. |
| 23:31.29 | awal1 | epsilon, just xfce4 and it's goodies, no more then 300 mb |
| 23:32.31 | awal1 | windows base system (pack1, 2...) around 50/60 gb :D |
| 23:32.45 | epsilon | think? I have a shell-box which needs like 400MB minimum |
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| 23:35.04 | awal1 | xfce is my main DE, xfce4 + xfce4-goodies , after unpacking , no more then 300 mb. kde-full , the biggest unix-like DE,around 2 gb |
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| 23:37.27 | isaaclw2 | ... so I just started a debian 7 -> debian 8 upgrade inside tmux. Then I detached, and now I get the error: protocol version mismatch (client 8, server 6). How screwed am I? any way to resolve this? |
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| 23:38.02 | jim | the first thing you want to do is bring the debian 7 up to date |
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| 23:39.31 | jim | you should still be able to use the console on a vt |
| 23:39.34 | isaaclw2 | ok, sorry. false alarm. apt-get isn't still running. |
| 23:39.39 | isaaclw2 | I can just kill tmux and recreate |
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| 23:40.24 | isaaclw2 | I was worried it was stuck on some prompt merging configs, and killing it would cause dpkg to get in an incomplete state |
| 23:40.28 | jim | had you made sure the debian 7 is uptodate before moving on to 8? |
| 23:40.44 | isaaclw2 | yes |
| 23:41.11 | jim | then... the upgrade probably worked? |
| 23:41.20 | jim | you may need to rebot |
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| 23:41.23 | isaaclw2 | yep. I think we're good. |
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| 23:43.41 | jim | in fact you very likely do: the upgrade probably installed a new kernel AND some server daemons you may have had running need to be restarted to get the new libc |
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