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00:21.10NSGFKIs the longstanding encryption bug fixecd.
00:21.27missmbobwho knows. have a CVE?
00:21.40NSGFKWhere you install Debian enable encryption and  the install fails due to the swap partition not being disabled.
00:21.59missmbobworked for me yesterday
00:22.12missmbobdont use testing installer
00:22.17NSGFKI'm not using the testing
00:22.22NSGFKThis is a long LONG standing bug
00:22.29missmbobi havent run into it
00:22.37NSGFKThat doens't mean it doesn't exist.
00:22.45missmbobif you dont have a bug # or CVE...how can we tell?
00:22.55missmbobotherwise  you're just saying shit
00:23.13NSGFKYou're the one just saying shit right now
00:23.24missmbobokay. get back when you have the bug #
00:23.27NSGFKI've experienced this in the installer and havent' gone looking for a CVE / bug #
00:23.35NSGFKmissmbob, go back to #mac
00:23.37missmbobNSGFK: how do you make the installer?
00:23.40NSGFK"works for me"
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00:24.03NSGFKmissmbob, The bug works across DD'ing a usb, unetbootin, Linux Live USB creator
00:24.20missmbobNSGFK: did you use unetbootin or rufus? yeah, see. unetbootin breaks debian. and live doesnt support uefi
00:24.23NSGFKWhen you do a full disk install without LVM and enable encryption it doesn't swapoff
00:24.23missmbob!unetbootin
00:24.24dpkgUNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions.  http://unetbootin.sf.net/  Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems.  Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
00:24.29missmbobNSGFK: ^^ you're doing it wrong
00:24.36NSGFKmissmbob, are you thick?
00:24.43NSGFKDD a USB and the bug still exists.
00:25.07NSGFKI can't remember the exact words but it refuses to continue as there's a unsafe swap partition
00:25.10missmbobgive me a bug # since it's so long standing
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00:25.17NSGFKTo get past you switch into a tty and swapoff -a
00:25.28NSGFKI'm ready to /ignore you.
00:25.32missmbobgo for it
00:25.38NSGFKYou're either a troll or a moron.
00:25.45NSGFKYou can go re-produce the problem right now.
00:25.56missmbobi installed it yesterday. didn't see it
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00:26.03NSGFKDon't use LVM, select a full partition, enable encryption and it fails.
00:26.30NSGFKThe installer by default creates a swap partition
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00:26.38missmbobi'm aware
00:26.41NSGFKWhen enabling encryption it doesn't disable it or make a safe swap
00:26.50missmbobdoes here
00:27.35NSGFKAgain your scenario doesn't cover all
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00:28.04missmbobfor such a "long" "systemic" bug you should be able to give a #
00:28.26NSGFKI haven't looked up a bug #
00:28.29missmbobotherwise how do you know it's a known bug for so long?
00:28.43NSGFKExperienced it since wheezy
00:28.57NSGFKPossibly dates back further.
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00:29.11missmbobyet yesterday it worked for me. magic.
00:29.17NSGFKmissmbob, you sound like the guy who +q'd me for a "unreproducable bug"
00:29.19NSGFKin #ubuntu
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00:29.29NSGFKThree others reproduced it and posted screenshots.
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00:29.31NSGFK"not a bug"
00:29.39NSGFKTo seen a CD rom when installing from a USB
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00:29.43missmbobubuntu is easier to debug, actually. as far as installer goes
00:30.10NSGFKhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1205397
00:30.13NSGFKSame bug in ubuntu.
00:30.41NSGFKAmazing that your system "just worked". You probably disabled swap
00:30.49missmbobthat's 13.10. has nothing to do with how far jessie installer goes
00:31.31NSGFKmissmbob, ...
00:31.38NSGFKIt shows the bug is real across debian based distros too.
00:31.42missmbobNSGFK: you know ubuntu works with secure boot? debian doesn't. things are different.
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00:31.49NSGFKmissmbob, ...
00:31.55NSGFKYou must be really thick.
00:32.02NSGFKYour brain must be made of lead.
00:32.11NSGFKYou can reproduce the bug in debian derivatives
00:32.12NSGFKdebian
00:32.35NSGFKI'm downloading virtualbox right now to re-create the bug
00:33.25NSGFKmissmbob, you follow the instructions to re-create it in ubuntu on debian and you get the same issue
00:33.30missmbobNSGFK: since i'm so thick, you realize you're asking in the wrong channel for installer support, right? wrong network, even. it's #debian-boot on OFTC
00:33.37NSGFKIt's not unetbootin's fault nor is it secureboot.
00:34.01NSGFKmissmbob, #debian is debian support.
00:34.13cra1g321you shouldn't be using unetbootin btw
00:34.14NSGFKI've been here on off for years without anyone complaining about the installer.
00:34.17missmbobyes, and it breaks up. like testing support. and installer support
00:34.18NSGFKcra1g321, I'm not
00:34.31missmboband web support. and all sorts
00:34.33NSGFKmissmbob, Again stop putting words in my mouth.
00:34.35missmbobso go to the proper place
00:34.43NSGFKThis isn't becuase of unetbootin, this isn't the testing installer, this isn't secureboot.
00:34.55NSGFKI referenced the same issue happening in ubuntu while I find the debian bug tracker
00:35.02missmbobi didn't say it was testing installer
00:35.14missmbobinstaller, even stable, #debian-boot on OFTC
00:36.20NSGFKhttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=743058
00:36.21juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/743058 in debian-installer (open): «debian-installer: installer blocks expert users if /swap is not doubly encrypted»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-03-30; last modified: 2014-04-28.
00:36.32NSGFKThere's another instance of it.
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00:36.38NSGFKmissmbob, yes you did.
00:36.39missmboblast modified 2014
00:36.46NSGFKYou said it was caused by unetbootin
00:36.50NSGFKthen you said it was secureboot
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00:37.03NSGFKNow what? it doesn't exist becuase it was last modified 2014?
00:37.04missmbobyou mentioned unetbootin. i said dont use it. i mentioned secure boot. dont use it.
00:37.09missmbobi didnt say it was caused by
00:37.10missmbobjesus
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00:37.23NSGFKYou litterally told me not to use secure boot because it causes the problem.
00:37.28missmbobit does
00:37.32NSGFKYou said the problem doesn't exist becuase "it works for me"
00:37.33OerHeksi know this version https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1582011 , and wrong UUID entry in fstab happens too
00:37.37missmbobdebian doesnt work with secure boot. ubuntu does
00:37.39NSGFKNo it does not.
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00:37.50missmbobNSGFK: you're wrong. debian does not work with secure boot
00:37.50NSGFKThe problem with encrypting the partition is not secureboot related.
00:37.58NSGFKmissmbob, You must have a brain made of lead.
00:38.01missmbobNSGFK: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot
00:38.03NSGFKIt's NOT secureboots fault.
00:38.06missmbobNSGFK: see for yourself
00:38.11NSGFKNone of my machines even have secureboot
00:38.21missmbobi didnt say it was. i said secureboot causes problem and was asking
00:38.25NSGFKYES YOU ARE.
00:38.29NSGFKYOU JUST SAID IT THREE TIMES.
00:38.29missmbobfor fuck's sake man
00:38.38NSGFKYOU SAID "DON'T USE SECURE BOOT IT CAUSES PROBLEMS"
00:38.42missmbobalright. go have fun.
00:38.46missmbobit DOES
00:38.50NSGFK!ops missmbob trolling
00:38.51dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nsgfk complains about: missmbob trolling
00:38.53missmbobDEBIAN DOESNT SUPPORT SECURE BOOT
00:38.58missmbobsee the wiki i just linked you to
00:38.59NSGFKYou're pretty obviously a troll
00:39.13missmbobokay. can't wait for an op to tell me debian supports secure boot
00:39.17missmbobany op out there?
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00:39.23NSGFKWE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SECURE BOOT.
00:39.27NSGFKTHIS IS NOT SECUREBOOTS FAULT.
00:39.29Starkymissmbob: just get out
00:39.37missmbobStarky: no kidding. fuck this.
00:39.40GryllidaNSGFK: please disable caps
00:39.47NSGFKGryllida, sorry but this is agrivating.
00:40.01NSGFKmissmbob, is clearly a troll. I explained it's not on a secure boot machine so it can't be secureboots fault.
00:40.05GryllidaNSGFK: take a deep breath, close eyes for a minute or something...
00:40.12NSGFKS/he responds "it's secure boots fault. debian doesn't support secure boot"
00:40.21GryllidaNSGFK: you can vent about people like Gryllida being stupid at #debian-ops, they like to hear feedback
00:40.22NSGFKI've linked two instances of this bug now.
00:40.43NSGFKGryllida, you're not stupid. You're a wonderful woman who's helped thousands of people here.
00:40.55NSGFKYou've helped me in the past.
00:41.13NSGFKWithout your help years ago I'd have given up on Linux completely.
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00:41.52NSGFKGryllida, I remember when you where a staffer.
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00:42.20GryllidaWas an interesting time...
00:42.44NSGFKGryllida, You where a level headed staffer who cared about the network.
00:42.57NSGFKNow it feels like the staffers care more about pushing thir own agendas.
00:43.03GryllidaI keep making more stupid mistakes than others... someone just asking you to link to the bug is a very very small problem compared to how I screwed things up during the yeas...
00:43.16NSGFKGryllida, what have you screwed up?
00:43.37Gryllidaa relatively big number of computers, if you compare to what I touched :)
00:44.18NSGFKoh god.
00:44.26NSGFKGryllida, Can I throw an idea past you?
00:45.12bugaloohi all. i'm running kde over debian 9 on my laptop. When I plug the laptop on my tv via hdmi, the video is ok, but audio is still on the speakers. Any ideas? I used to do this using gnome on debian 8 and it used to work.
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00:45.32NSGFKbugaloo, do you have pulseaudio installed?
00:45.41missmbob!tell bugaloo about debian-next
00:45.52missmbobbugaloo: see what the bot told you
00:46.17NSGFKmissmbob, That's a really good job helping him.
00:46.28missmbobNSGFK: it is if you read the /topic
00:46.31Gryllidabugaloo: when asking the debian-next people (I am there too) include output of `aplay -l'
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00:47.21NSGFKGryllida, You think it would be adviasble to create chroot jails to store software I compile myself
00:47.22GryllidaNSGFK: we split debian and debian-next here because we don't know how to troubleshoot debian-next, it does things differently
00:47.38NSGFKThis way there's no conflicts if the repo's update before I do
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00:47.53GryllidaNSGFK: I didn't chroot before, but I don't think it's a bad idea to do it for self compiled things. If in doubt I just compile things under another username.
00:47.56bugalooGryllida, ok , thanks
00:48.04missmbobif you're doing ssb there's no need. if ssb isnt enough then yes, chroot
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00:50.51LivingroomHello fellow debianers. i am struggling to understand how to correctly use RSYNC - is anyone here that might be able to help?
00:51.19NSGFKLivingroom, the gurus have #rysnc
00:51.24Livingroomoh nice! thanks!
00:51.28NSGFKBe careful there's a troll lurking there
00:51.37Livingroomit's the internet- is there ever NOT a troll lurking?
00:51.38NSGFKI asked how to copy but not erase my photos from my phone.
00:51.44missmbobLivingroom: sure. my default is rsync -aP (a = archive P = progress). so rsync user@ip:/path ~/   would download path and save all attributes to ~/
00:51.48NSGFKHe gave me a command that would erase at both ends
00:51.55RoyKLivingroom: rsync isn't particularly hard
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00:52.12NSGFK^
00:52.13Livingroomi'm sure it's not, but i'm having trouble
00:52.22NSGFKLivingroom, what are you trying to achieve
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00:52.28RoyKLivingroom: what are you trying to transfer?
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00:53.12Livingroomwell, let me try and explain
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00:53.39John[Lisbeth]do you guys know if there are some old debians that are still unofficially supported beyond the current debian oldstable?
00:53.59missmbobJohn[Lisbeth]: no oldstable is it
00:54.16John[Lisbeth]oh well. You know if current oldstable still has floppy support?
00:54.29missmbobsure it does
00:54.30Livingroomi have a backup performed to a USB3 drive at /dev/sdc1 - but it has "number of backups" set to 5, so every day it says "oh, i have 5 backups here. i need to delete one, to make room for the new one!" and instead of running another backup process for my second backup drive /dev/sdd1, i'd like to use rsync to "sync" /backup to /backup-removable
00:54.32John[Lisbeth]ty
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00:55.49missmbobJohn[Lisbeth]: sure. -a for archive. -P if you want progress updates as it's happening
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00:56.18RoyKLivingroom: perhaps use something like duplicity instead
00:56.21Livingroomi tried that but it seems to overrite all the files
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00:56.31missmbobno -a doesnt do that
00:56.43missmbobyou can man rsync and look up -a to see what all it does
00:57.08RoyKLivingroom: it won't if you do it correctly - it'll only symlink exinsting stuff
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00:57.52RoyKLivingroom: rsync -a will obviously overwrite old stuff
00:58.15missmbobchanged
00:58.22Livingroomok, i'll try -a -p --delete and see what happens
00:58.35Livingroombecause, of course, i need to follow the retention rules and delete the "old" backup
00:58.41RoyKor just use something sane like duplicity
00:58.47missmbobsure
00:58.50RoyKrsync isn't backup software
00:59.39missmbobit is over network. for local shit it's counter productive since it saves bandwidth by harming i/o
00:59.56Livingroomok, but what is duplicity?
01:00.00RoyKjust uses Bareos
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01:01.05RoyKLivingroom: http://bfy.tw/7T7D
01:01.12missmbobgotta go for a bit
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01:02.08Livingroomroyk: that's fine, but duplicity creates a tarball and then copies it - that's way more work and it won't just synchronize the two folders.
01:02.18Livingroomwe're talking about ~300gb image files
01:02.35Livingroomthe backups are already done by the hypervisor. i just need to say folder1 needs to match folder2
01:02.57RoyKLivingroom: I use bareos for local backups, snapshots on zfs for shorter intervals and crashplan for longterm backups
01:04.05Livingroomroyk: that's terrific, but does not meet my needs. the backups are already being done correctly, to /backup - to a single .xva file - i just want to sync /backup to /backup-removable so i can physically unplug the /backup-removable HD every day and take it off site
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01:04.47RoyKI think you're misunderstanding how duplicity works
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01:06.28Livingroomi'm reading the website at duplicity.nongnu.org - it says it makes an archive (tarball) and then only updates the changed information. that sounds like a tremendous amount of filesystem work, when really all i need is a thing to say "/backup has changed. duplicate these changes to /backup-removable"
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01:14.15somiajLivingroom: rsync can do that, there is also rdiff-backup
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01:19.21pingfloydLivingroom: the problem with tarballs is they're a format optimized for linear media
01:20.41Livingroomthe problem with the whole thing is that i dont need it. Xenserver exports-as-a-template to very tidy .Xva files - i only need to keep two directories contents matching, and my backup woes are over
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01:38.47averagehow do you call it when patches from downstream are imported back into upstream?
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01:59.21averageis there a workflow diagram that includes the upstreaming process ?
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01:59.33averagefedora has sort of a policy here about this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Staying_close_to_upstream_projects#Tips_On_Upstreaming_Patches
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02:06.53averageis there high adoption of this policy ?
02:06.54averagehttps://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds/Howto
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02:38.06M-alex_mayorga¡Hola! Which package shall I file a bug against if the Fn keys for LCD brightness do nothing?
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02:38.35missmbobprobably look at your bios to make sure it's using/not using multimedia keys for Fn
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03:05.58M-alex_mayorgamissmbob: ¡Gracias! Will check there. Any idea for the package if that's not in fact the issue?
03:07.14missmbobM-alex_mayorga: i dont use any of the fancy DE's like gnome or kde which control those things. so no. it's not my thing.
03:07.45M-alex_mayorgamissmbob: Thanks anyway =)
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03:31.59M-alex_mayorgaStrngely the on screen indicators do appear...
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04:10.19foreverskaDD is writing waaay too fast, it normally goes back to normal after a few writes, has anybody seen this.  It's wriring at 900MB/s.
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04:17.05luckyguymy ultrabook has Windows 10 already installed on it. How can I install Windows 10 and Debian from scratch - I want to delete all the Windows files
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04:17.07pingfloydforeverska: what command did you run?
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04:17.20foreverskaInstall windows first though... it used to be a dick about the bootloader in the WIn7 days.
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04:17.32pingfloydforeverska: that doesn't answer the question
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04:17.43foreverskasorry I was talking to lucky
04:17.44foreverskasudo dd if=ubuntu-15.04-esdk-2016.3.1-headless-z7010.img of=/dev/sdf
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04:18.14pingfloydwhat device is /dev/sdf?
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04:18.34foreverskaIt's an SD card reader in a USB2.0 port
04:19.01pingfloydwhat's the file size of ubuntu-15.04-esdk-2016.3.1-headless-z7010.img
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04:19.17foreverska3.8GB, card is ~16.
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04:21.55pingfloydforeverska: did you try mounting the sd card and looking at its contents?
04:22.31foreverskaThe card was zeroed at some point.  I was just thinking I might try wiping it again and retry the process
04:23.25pingfloydforeverska: sometimes on a usb stick, for example, after dding a live image to it, it won't work right until you delete the partitions on it, the partition table, create a new partition and fs on it.
04:24.19pingfloydforeverska: don't ask me why, but I've seen plenty of usb sticks that seemed like they had gone bad, when they actually haven't, and zeroing with dd didn't fix them like you would think it should.
04:25.22pingfloydso basically you create a new partition table, partition and fs the entire size of the stick and then you can dd images fine to them from there.
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04:26.55foreverskahmmm gparted is screwing up creating a partition... have to try it by hand
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04:28.06pingfloydforeverska: you can ignore those errors
04:28.44pingfloydforeverska: see the comment here https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/usb-stick-issues-after-loading-ubuntu-mate/1643
04:29.14foreverskathe issue comes when mkfs can't find sdf1
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04:56.23foreverskaMy work laptop is doing it correctly so there's something wrong with my desktop
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05:01.28jellyforeverska: what does "blockdev --getsize64 /dev/sdf" say?
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05:02.48veekhow do i set locale for firefox  Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library su - veek -c "LC_ALL=zh_cn.gbk /usr/local/firefox/firefox"
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05:02.56foreverska`blockdev: ioctl error on BLKGETSIZE64: Inappropriate ioctl for device`
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05:05.38jellywhut
05:06.07jellythat's _with_ the sd card in the reader, right?
05:06.35foreverskaactually I unplugged it and put a USB drive in it's place.  It also took the name sdf
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05:08.01foreverskaI just plugged in an SD card with partitions and sdf1 and sdf2 return sizes
05:08.06foreverskabut not sdf itself
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05:08.42jellythat's unexpected
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05:10.13jellyforeverska: and cat /sys/block/sdf/size ?
05:11.01foreverska`15523840`
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05:11.53jellythat's probably in 512B sectors, so "8GB" more or less
05:12.12foreverskaYea, that'd be correct for this card
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05:15.44HinkI can't seem to install the dante-server package on Debian Wheezy.
05:16.07Hinkhttps://packages.debian.org/wheezy/net/dante-server
05:16.09foreverskaI'm going to have to let this demon fester for the time.  Next time I have to do a DD if it's still acting up I'll do a restart
05:16.42jellyHink: how does the installation fail?
05:16.44jelly!bat
05:16.45dpkgIn order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy".  Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
05:17.38Hinkforeverska, it's unable to find the software package.
05:17.47HinkE: Unable to locate package dante-server
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05:19.12jelly,v dante-server
05:19.13juddPackage: dante-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.19.dfsg-3+b3; stretch: 1.4.1+dfsg-2+b1; sid: 1.4.1+dfsg-2+b1
05:19.37jellyHink: verify your sources.list is correct for wheezy, and do an "apt-get update"
05:19.41jelly!wheezy sources.list
05:19.41dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
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05:20.13Hinkdeb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free
05:20.13Hinkdeb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-updates main contrib non-free
05:20.13Hinkdeb http://security.debian.org jessie/updates main contrib non-free
05:20.20HinkThat's what it contains for me.
05:20.38jellyHink: "jessie" is not "wheezy"
05:20.38Geom`are those oob repos?
05:20.47HinkOops did I say wheezy
05:20.50HinkI meant Jessie
05:21.10jellywell then, as judd says above, there's no dante-server in jessie
05:21.32HinkOkay, can I still access the server packages in Debian 7 somehow?
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05:22.14jellyyou can try to add the wheezy sources back and install it, but there's probably a reason why it was not included in jessie
05:22.30jellyGeom`: oob?
05:23.00Geom`out of the box
05:23.02Hinkjelly, Should I append the 3 lines for wheezy or replace my 3 temporarily?
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05:23.26jellyadd them, do not remove your jessie lines.
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05:24.31jellyGeom: pretty much (but one can pick a different mirror in the installer)
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05:27.22jellyHink: then again, there's a real reason why the package had been considered too buggy for jessie release that may affect you.  Proceed with caution.
05:27.58Hinkjelly, I will proceed at my own risk, thanks though for the help jelly.
05:28.43Geomjelly, do you know of a multimedia repo except deb-multimedia.org?
05:29.03themillGeom: about about ftp.debian.org?
05:29.15jellyGeom: no, why do you ask?
05:29.38Geomcoz i need some old stuff that can be found in -deb-multimedia
05:29.47jellywhich stuff?
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05:30.27Geomim still on wheeze. handbrake-cli no longer supported
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05:32.03rocketmagnethi all, i've troubles installing libgew-dev on my debian xian (i get unresolved objects and i have no idea how to solve them) !! can someone point me in the right direction so i understand how i get things wokings ?????
05:32.36rocketmagneti get this problem ofter so  i wanto to understand how to solve such issues
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05:33.15rocketmagnetmy sources.list is only deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial/sid main restricted multiverse universe
05:33.18jellyGeom: there seems to be a build in wheezy-backports
05:33.18rocketmagnetdeb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial/sid main restricted multiverse universe
05:34.01jellyrocketmagnet: those look like ubuntu sources.
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05:34.13rocketmagneti'm using ubuntu
05:34.22jellyrocketmagnet: then you need to ask in #ubuntu
05:34.28rocketmagnetk
05:34.37Geomjelly, there is. but the problem is, it lacks dependencies support. it wont install
05:35.44themillGeom: handbrake-cli is already in debian. If deb-multimedia.org has broken dependencies, all we're going to do is shrug our shoulders...
05:36.43jellyGeom: that sometimes happens.  Do you have a correct set of sources for wheezy and wheezy-backports, and you can't install using -t wheezy-backports?
05:37.04jellydpkg, tell Geom about basic apt troubleshooting
05:37.28jellyif so, please provide the info dpkg requested
05:37.51Geom-t wont.. ild try dpkg instead
05:38.29themillGeom: it's a lot easier to help you if you provide the requested information
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05:40.42veekhow do i set locale for firefox  Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library su - veek -c "LC_ALL=zh_cn.gbk /usr/local/firefox/firefox"
05:40.43Geomil provide info after doing dpkg
05:40.54Geomthanks everyone.. later
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05:44.45jimmaybe you need to get more locales...
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05:46.15jellyveek: are you positive "zh_cn.gbk" is a valid locale name?  Case is important there.
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05:47.55veekjelly ah, yes fixed that but it still deson't work.. i'm trying to run fcitx
05:48.40veekjelly thanks though.. just fixed that
05:49.38veekzh_CN
05:50.08jellyor zh_CN.GBK if that's the encoding you wanted
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05:50.50jellyveek: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" as root and see what's available in the chinese locales
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05:55.06veekah stupid me! i have to run fcitx as the su - user!
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06:24.52ImQ009Hello. It would appear that I'm completely unable to use ssh as non-root. I only get a "No user found with uid ..."
06:24.59ImQ009Any assistance, please?
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06:26.56suboptimal90permissions on your user's ssh keys okay?
06:27.24jellyImQ009: what's your username and what does "id -a yourusernamehere" say?
06:27.48ImQ009uid=13020(S.Blauciak) gid=10000(adb) groups=10000(adb),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),27(sudo),29(audio),46(plugdev),103(crontab),108(lpadmin),111(ssh),124(sambashare)
06:27.54ImQ009S.Blauciak is my username
06:28.19jellyImQ009: I'm not sure a literal dot in the username is legal
06:28.34ImQ009I'm sure it is, it works on other stations
06:28.34jellysome apps use it to delimit user from group
06:28.46ImQ009Though with other accounts of course
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06:29.27jellyImQ009: which debian release is this and where are users and groups stored?
06:29.40jellyImQ009: "getent passwd s.blauciak"
06:29.50ImQ009It's Ubuntu, about precise Debian version, let me see
06:30.13jellyif your system is ubuntu you'll have to ask in #ubuntu channel
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06:30.46ImQ009Hm, alright then
06:30.49ImQ009Thanks anyway
06:30.56jellyif you can reproduce the same issue on an actual debian install, you can ask here
06:31.32jelly(I don't have a reference, but I'm not sure either uppercase or dots are legal in user or group names)
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07:16.16noqnio1Hello. After the latest upgrade of the nvidia drivers im having hard freezes when playing multimedia files, regardless of the application. Anyone experiencing the same? (stable)
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07:23.18nfsivgood day all, is there anyone knows how can i install php5.4.x by apt-get?
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07:27.38nfsivgood day all, is there anyone knows how can i install php5.4.x by apt-get? i tried add some ppa repository from lunchpad, but seems like the php5.4.x was removed.
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07:31.48pingfloydtdn: I think your irc client truncated your message
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07:34.50tdnpingfloyd, what was the last bit?
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07:35.51tdn... Then I get a list of devices to install GRUB on. I chose /dev/sd[ab]. But  I also had /dev/md0 and /dev/dm-0. I am now unsure if it is safe to reboot this machine. The machine is (very) remote, so I would like to somehow verify that it will boot before rebooting. How can I do this?
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07:40.23pingfloydtdn: the million dollar question is why the uuid changed
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07:40.32tdnpingfloyd, yeah, I have no idea.
07:41.16pingfloydtdn: are you running with raid?
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07:41.31tdnpingfloyd, yes
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07:44.07nfsivgood day all, is there anyone knows how can i install php5.4.x by apt-get? i tried add some ppa repository from lunchpad, but seems like the php5.4.x was removed.
07:45.03tdnpingfloyd, since I have raid using mdadm, should I then install grub on the md device instead of sda and sdb as I did?
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07:55.05pingfloydtdn: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2060994
07:56.23tdnpingfloyd, reading
07:56.24pingfloydtdn: anyway, I'm not too sure about your issue as I've never encountered it
07:57.57tdnpingfloyd, that forum thread contains no info??
07:58.04tdnpingfloyd, usable at least.
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07:59.16pingfloydtdn: there's some commands to find out where grub is currently installed
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08:01.31otyughnfsiv: ppa are ubuntu specific, you could ask on #ubuntu for more insight
08:01.52otyugh,v php
08:01.53juddPackage: php on amd64 -- sid: 1:7.0+44; stretch: 1:7.0+44
08:02.11meldronransur0t: systemctl is telling me there is no such service
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08:02.26juddPackage: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u4; jessie: 5.6.20+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.24+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.24+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.24+dfsg-1
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08:05.24nfsivOtyugh: thanks, i tried add "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free" into the sourcelist.d, and can see 5.4.45. and also perference.d added php5* = oldstable, php-* = oldstable
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08:05.39otyugh" how can i install php5.4.x by apt-get" > you want the wheezy version ? Then add source of wheezy and try to apt-get build-dep and apt-get -b source, but I'm pretty confident it's not the good path, this would be a package mess.
08:06.03otyughI'm not experienced in downgrading packages
08:06.24otyughbut guess compiling yourself it the way there
08:06.35otyughalthought it may break stuff
08:06.38nfsivthen apt-get php5=5.4.45-0+deb7u2, seems like installed but php5 -v or php -v says no such file
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08:18.32tdnpingfloyd, well, as I understand it, what I need is do know what MBR will actually be used to boot up the machine when I reboot it.
08:18.56tdnpingfloyd, I figure there are some general rules for this, as it should be OS independent. Isn't this done by the BIOS?
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08:19.21tdnpingfloyd, when I know where the BIOS will try to load a boot loader from - this is where I need to install GRUB, no?
08:20.21pingfloydtdn: that's usually how it works
08:20.56tdnpingfloyd, so if there is only one disk in a machine, I figure this is easy: just install grub on MBR on /dev/sda, right?
08:20.59pingfloydtdn: chances are the ones it selected will work fine, but I can't be sure
08:21.11pingfloydtdn: I think it's more that the debconf for grub-pc is confused
08:21.21tdnpingfloyd, but if there are two disks, then what? And what if those two disks are raid?
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08:21.55pingfloydraid1?
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08:22.07tdnpingfloyd, I agree, however, this machine is located approx. 2000 km from here, so I cannot really just do trial and error.
08:22.11tdnpingfloyd, raid1, yes.
08:22.19pingfloydusually for that you install it on both drive's MBRs
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08:23.10pingfloydraid doesn't really come into play until later stages after the MBR has been executed
08:23.33tdnpingfloyd, ok, so I did the right thing to select /dev/sda and /dev/sdb?
08:24.08pingfloydthat seems right to me
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08:24.52tdnoK
08:25.02tdnI guess I will just have to try and reboot then
08:26.05pingfloydthat's usually how it is done
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08:26.51pingfloydthe only real moment of truth will be when you reboot
08:27.48tdnpingfloyd, yeah, crossing my fingers
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08:35.42littlebithi people, I have a few questions concerning the inner logic of how does debian assign the device files to harddisks. I have installed debian on my system with 1 harddisk at the beginning. Later I added another harddisk to my system and noticed that the harddrive on which I have installed my os on /dev/sda is now designated as /dev/sdb. Why is that so?
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08:37.27jellylittlebit: sd* devices are assigned asynchronously, as the controllers and drives respond
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08:38.46jellylittlebit: do not rely on their order.  If you need to address a specific device, use links in /dev/disk/by-id/ or some other link farm under /dev/disk/
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08:39.22littlebitjelly: you mean that when the os calls out to the harddirves, /dev/sda gets assigned to the harddrive that answers that call first?
08:39.27jellyyes
08:40.11jellythis often correlates with physical ports they're attached to, but not always
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08:41.18jellyif these are eg. SATA devices, you can try switching up their sata ports (or cable ends) and see what happens
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08:46.49afx_Hello ! Can anyone suggest any alternatives to dropbox?
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08:48.28cyris212afx_: How about https://nextcloud.com/
08:49.24afx_cyris212, will check that
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08:52.29jemaduxgpg works on sid ?
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08:54.24jellyjemadux: if it doesn't, look at the bts?
08:54.41jemaduxbts?
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08:59.30meowshwitzjemadux: it does for me
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09:02.08jemaduxmeowshwitz, what command do you use ?
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09:02.37ransur0tafx_: google drive?
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09:03.40littlebitjelly: ok thank you. I'm doing my first RAID1 with mdadm with the help of this link: https://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch when trying to execute the command sfdisk -d /dev/sdb | sfdisk /dev/sda , and I get this: http://pastebin.com/FFqDaXX1 this is not the expected output from the tutorial.
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09:03.57jemaduxmeowshwitz i cant generate new key
09:03.58afx_ransur0t, would like a client too , so that my files get synced automatically when changed
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09:04.33afx_looking at syncthing atm
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09:05.39ransur0tyeah, google is a little slow to release linux client ... although doesn't nautilus offer some type of sync function via linking to the web app of google drive?
09:05.41littlebitI'm doing my first RAID1 with mdadm with the help of this link: https://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch when trying to execute the command sfdisk -d /dev/sdb | sfdisk /dev/sda , and I get this: http://pastebin.com/FFqDaXX1 this is not the expected output from the tutorial.
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09:06.26jemaduxgpg agent_genkey failed no such file or directory
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09:06.54afx_ransur0t, found this for dropbox , but not google drie
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09:06.56afx_drive*
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09:08.42anonrateThe folder /usr/local By default on a fresh install, does it actually contain anything?
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09:12.34meowshwitzanonrate: standard empty dirs
09:13.29anonrateThank, I asked ebcause I compiled tar and I thought the default directoy that it installs to would replace the previous version, but I was wrong.  So now I just wanted to make sure I didn't have any left over folders or files after uninstalling it.
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09:17.03afx_Anyone uses spideroak?
09:17.26petemci have done, and know some poeple that still do - its fairly well regarded
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09:18.28anonrateI just did something really stupid...
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09:18.49Flashtekran 'init 0' on a remote box ?
09:18.53meowshwitzanonrate: rm -rf what?
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09:19.07littlebithi, I'm doing my first RAID1 with mdadm with the help of this link: https://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch when trying to execute the command sfdisk -d /dev/sdb | sfdisk /dev/sda , and I get this: http://pastebin.com/FFqDaXX1 this is not the expected output from the tutorial.
09:19.11meowshwitzanonrate: make uninstall etc
09:19.16anonrateFirst I configured tar with the prefix of /
09:19.23anonrateThen I installed it
09:19.36anonrateNoticed that it made extra shit inside /
09:20.03anonrateOnce again I thought that just specifiying / as the prefix would make everything else correct such as the location for man and stuff..
09:20.08anonrateHere is the bad part...
09:20.13anonrateI uninstalled it..
09:20.15meowshwitzlittlebit: are the disks same size
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09:20.52Flashtekanonrate: just restore the back
09:20.55Flashtek*backup
09:21.15anonrateHow?
09:21.30anonrateI have real bad SNS right now.  LOL!
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09:25.24Flashtekmy add on groundplane arrived \o/
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09:25.58littlebitmeowshwitz: yes they are
09:26.04littlebit250 GB
09:26.33meowshwitzand sfdisk -d xxx | sfdisk xxx returns errors?
09:27.03meowshwitzis your original partition table valid?
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09:28.32littlebitmeowshwitz: the original partition table is a freshly installed debian, don't know that cannot be valid on?
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09:29.03meowshwitzlittlebit: er, odd, but if the tables compare exactly no harm
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09:29.59anonrateIs there a way to check when a folder was created?
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09:30.24mbels -l will show you
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09:30.32anonrateThank you.
09:30.55anonrateThat's modification date, no?
09:31.29mbesorry, yes thats right
09:31.40anonrateI am honestly going crazy right now.
09:31.47meowshwitzanonrate: stat(1)
09:32.05anonrateMy OCD is saying reinstall Debian..
09:32.11meowshwitzthere isn't a creation date per se
09:32.16meowshwitzanonrate: if this is a fresh box, then why not
09:32.25mbehttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/14842195/how-to-get-file-creation-date-time-in-bash-debian
09:32.31anonrateBecause it' snot exactly.
09:32.33meowshwitzanonrate: otherwise install the same package to /tmp/whatever
09:32.45meowshwitzand then delete whatever it installs from /
09:33.01anonrateI don't know if these folders are supposed to be there or not or I would do that.
09:33.07anonrateNow there is a share folder in /
09:33.29meowshwitzanonrate: share/ lives under /usr, you can wipe the one in /
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09:34.09anonrateWhat about libexxec?
09:34.17meowshwitzalso
09:34.33meowshwitzit probably dropped some trash to /bin, /sbin and /etc
09:34.38meowshwitzmaybe /var
09:34.45meowshwitzbut it's not harmless, just dirty
09:34.51meowshwitzbut you learned a valuable lesson
09:35.06anonrateYes I did.  SNS and OCD Don't match..
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09:35.56anonrateI wanna reinstall everything..
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09:37.34anonrateShoot me...
09:39.38anonrateFrig IT!  I'm reinstalling everything.
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09:51.58DeaDSouLHi, I followed this guide http://it.werther-web.de/2011/10/23/migrate-rsnapshot-based-backup-to-btrfs-snapshots/ ... which make uses of btrfs snapshots instead of normal copies of rsnapshot.. and it works great, so I took lots of rsnapshot hourly backups like 300 or so, just for testing, I noticed the memory usage was growing like crazy till it reaches 98% ... then I thought of rebooting just to see how it goes, I got this https://s10.postimg.org/l9i1vhd9l
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09:52.44DeaDSouLbtw, it's a fresh minimal debian installation, and a brand new harddrive
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09:57.14FlashtekI want to set a kernel module parameter on boot... AIUI I should add this to /etc/modprobe.d/blah.conf right ?
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10:03.37SynrGyFlashtek: if the module is loaded early in boot, i think you also need to update your initramfs.
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10:15.19innerandHello, what builds the final config from  the fragmented config files in the foo.d directory? Where can I find the final config?
10:15.41FlashtekSynrGy: the module in question is a NIC driver (e1000e) so I am assuming this is loaded 'later' in boot
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10:16.29themillinnerand: that depends -- many programs don't need that step
10:16.43SynrGyinnerand: context?
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10:17.50innerandSynrGy: I would like to see the final config used by amavisd-new
10:17.51SynrGyinnerand: and in most cases i've seen there is no 'builds the final config'. rather, the files in the directory are all read directly
10:17.54FlashtekSynrGy: I have tried to set "options e1000e InterruptThrottleRate=5000,5000" and it's still loading the default
10:18.29Flashtekinnerand: from personal experience "cat *" will result in the config used
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10:21.05innerandokay, thank you Flashtek and SynrGy
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10:23.46DoctorD90it is possible boot a debian livecd from network?
10:24.02Flashtekinnerand: In the past I've had to be sneaky about naming files in .d dirs so they get processed in a specific order
10:24.10FlashtekDoctorD90: I see no reason why not...
10:25.05DoctorD90Flashtek, may I ask you any guide or how to? ... im looking in grub, but im not so luckly...(or maybe im searching bad on google))
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10:25.37Flashtekit's been a long time since I had need... I used a howto on the debian site IIRC
10:25.39jellyinnerand: note that the service as provided in debian 8 reads from two directories by default. @config_files = Amavis::Util::find_config_files('/usr/share/amavis/conf.d',  '/etc/amavis/conf.d');
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10:26.05xendonDoctorD90 https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall
10:26.18DoctorD90Flashtek, .... xendon thx you!
10:26.32xendonDoctorD90: you can just put the livecd in.
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10:27.16DoctorD90xendon, what do you mean? boot normally from livecd on cdrom? nono...im looking for a network image shared configuration :)
10:27.29DoctorD90boot many pc fro 1 single livecd on network :)
10:27.40FlashtekPXE booting
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10:28.05DoctorD90"exactly" :P
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10:28.21DoctorD90but I could not be able to find that debian wiki page lol
10:29.17SynrGFlashtek: sorry. crash here. back. missed anything from 10m ago to when i rejoined here.
10:29.18Flashtekhttps://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall
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10:29.32FlashtekSynrGy: I have tried to set "options e1000e InterruptThrottleRate=5000,5000" and it's still loading the default
10:29.48SynrGthere's some command that shows what options were used when the module was loaded, i believe
10:30.23SynrGmodinfo
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10:30.47Flashtekmodinfo shows what it will support... doesn't seem to list what was loaded though
10:30.55DoctorD90thx guys! as always ^_^
10:30.58xendonDokctorD90 you will need an working DHCP to configure all required options and you will need an TFTP Server as well. The guild i've send you is about installing debian. If you want an Desktop/LiveCD you just replace the imange with is specified
10:31.13SynrGgotcha
10:31.31SynrGi thought there was some way to inspect the loaded module's params
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10:32.17FlashtekSynrG: that would actually be helpful... I can see in syslog that it's loading, but using the default settings
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10:32.57SynrGhttp://serverfault.com/questions/62316/how-do-i-list-loaded-linux-module-parameter-values
10:34.20Flashteksystool might work...
10:34.21Flashtekthanks
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10:34.54Flashtekif it were installed that is...
10:36.45SynrGFlashtek: but the little script in the first answer seemed to produce some results for me ...
10:36.54SynrGFlashtek: and that requires nothing else to be installed
10:37.29Flashtekyeah, checked that. the module parameters aren't being honoured
10:37.45SynrGso you're sure it's loaded in late boot?
10:38.00Flashtekshrugs
10:38.28SynrGi'd expect the kernel to autoconfigure the network if it can because that can be useful
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10:38.53Flashtekhmm..
10:39.05Flashtekit used to work just fine from modprobe.conf
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10:42.14SynrGmaybe the initramfs was regenerated in that case? did you regenerate the initramfs since you made the change?
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10:42.59SynrGi haven't looked at an initrd image lately (i forget the magic spell to extract one) but perhaps it includes the whole modprobe.d?
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10:45.54SynrGnot sure if MODULES=most (the default) sucks in network stuff or not. the comment above it says "Add most filesystem and all harddrive drivers." but is not specific (there are, after all, networked filesystems ...)
10:46.19SynrGthat is, if you use the default MODULES=most. what do you have for that in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf?
10:46.37SynrGMODULES=netboot says it adds network modules
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10:47.53DoctorD90xendon, Flashtek may I try pxebootdebian guide trougth virtualbox belong to you?
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10:48.30Flashtek?
10:50.35DoctorD90i mean, to try these steps, described on wiki, is possible use virtual box belong to you?
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10:55.08FlashtekDoctorD90: you want to use a VirtualBox system as the PXE server ?
10:55.33SynrGDoctorD90: english not your mother tongue? could not parse "... belong to you"
10:55.46DoctorD90Flashtek, yes, but just to test the guide, not "in real life". Just to first setup to understand how it works :)
10:56.03FlashtekDoctorD90: probably
10:56.48DoctorD90SynrG, italian....and belong to you doesnt exist? 0o ....and how may I say in english "according to you"?
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10:57.33SynrGah, "according to you" makes more sense :)
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10:58.04DoctorD90Flashtek, but from what I have understood, I have to download a pxeboot file from debian official server. If i would like to not use official ISO, but modded one?
10:58.19DoctorD90SynrG, ok...i will use that one from now on :) thx
10:58.43blastwaveI have built and am running Linux 4.7.0 kernel very nicely with Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller. Resolution is fine at 1920x1080. When I boot linux 4.7.2 kernel the resolution drops to 1280x1024 with no option to change resolution. Attempts to run Xorg -configure in single user mode just returns "Number of created screens does not match number of detected ..." config fails .  A
10:58.43blastwaveny thoughts?
10:59.28blastwaveAlso  Xorg -configure fails for kernel 4.7.0 also
10:59.44blastwaveyes .. I am way outside of the debian kernel package here and know it
11:00.00otyugh,v kenerl
11:00.02juddNo package named 'kenerl' was found in amd64.
11:00.05otyughfail o/
11:00.28FlashtekAHA
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11:00.42tremonblastwave: any mentions of missing firmware in dmesg? not sure what generation your processor is, but Intel's latest gpus require firmware
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11:01.17blastwavetremon, this is an older thin client desktop unit from "Shuttle" and nothing new here at all
11:01.45blastwavetremon, however .. I shall look into dmesg .. which has a LOT of traffic because of various kernel features I compiled in
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11:02.24tremonalso, what do you mean with "resolution is fine at 1920x1080"? did this work with a previous kernel version?
11:02.38SynrGFlashtek: aha?
11:02.39otyughguess you forgot to add some feature about gpu support ;..;
11:02.40blastwavetremon, in fact .. I am using the machine right now. wonderful little thin client with a tiny atom processor in it and is super stable.
11:03.01blastwavetremon, yes .. am running 4.7.0 right now fine
11:03.18blastwaveuname -a says Linux io 4.7.0 #1 SMP Sun Aug 7 20:51:25 EDT 2016 i686 GNU/Linux
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11:03.48blastwavetremon, what is the pasebin du jour these days ? I have not used ird in a few years
11:03.54blastwavesorry .. irc in a few years
11:03.57tremonwe prefer paste.debian.net here
11:04.01tremonso a hand-compiled 4.7.0 works and hand-compiled 4.7.2 does not? can you diff the .configs between the two builds?
11:04.13blastwavetremon, good thinking
11:04.21blastwavemost likely a bucket of diffs
11:04.45blastwavetremon, I tried to remove a lot of the kernel hackary features in the 4.7.2 build
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11:05.16tremonyou may have removed too much
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11:05.41tremonjust a wild guess, did you remove i2c support?
11:05.54tremonit's needed for querying the supported resolutions of connected monitors
11:05.56blastwavetremon, see http://paste.debian.net/797795/
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11:06.09blastwavetremon, nope .. I wouldn't touch that one
11:06.39Flashtekha..
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11:07.01FlashtekSynrG: updated /etc/modprobe.d file, then re-ran mkinitramfs, rebooted
11:07.10Flashtekit now loads with required parameters
11:07.13SynrGyes!
11:07.17Flashtekseems it's loaded in early boot
11:07.21SynrGglad my hunch worked
11:07.32Flashtekgood call
11:07.33SynrGif it hadn't, i was fresh out of ideas :)
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11:07.52tremonblastwave: don't see any obvious missing kernel options in that diff. To be sure, you could try rebuilding 4.7.0 with the new config
11:08.02blastwavetremon, so the only real diff here is the removal of a bucket of kernel trace features where this 4.7.0 kernel is pretty slow .. in fact the whole machine feels a tad sluggish but otherwise works great
11:08.15SynrGwell, off to work. later, folks
11:08.22Flashtekttfn
11:08.45blastwavetremon, or rebuild 4.7.2 with the exact same config as 4.7.0 with all the kernel trace and kobject noise and other bits enabled and see what happens
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11:09.09blastwavetremon, however I was surprised that Xorg -configure fails in single user mode regardless of the kernel rev
11:09.45blastwavethus -->  http://paste.debian.net/797806/
11:10.06tremoncan you paste the most recent /var/log/Xorg.*.log, and if possible a log file from 4.7.0 too? the output of xrandr --verbose under both kernels could be helpful too
11:10.25blastwavetremon, cool .. looks like I will be rebooting a bit ..
11:10.34jelly,kernels
11:10.35juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
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11:11.04jellyblastwave: also try 4.7.0-1-686 from sid instead of your own
11:11.23blastwavejelly, well that removes the fun now doesn't it ?  :-)
11:11.39blastwavejelly, also .. I have no clue how to use a package from sid
11:11.56blastwave<PROTECTED>
11:12.01jellyyou of all people should appreciate saving time using prebuilt binaries :-)
11:12.08blastwaveha ha
11:12.16blastwaveguess I still have a name for that
11:12.23blastwavehey .. I build stuff from sources !
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11:12.54jellyyou can get it from packages.debian.org I guess
11:13.10blastwavehowever ever since the great frack blowup of 2010 and the kill of OpenSolaris and other works .. well I lost my desire for it .. a bit
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11:13.15jellylet me VERY CAREFULLY add sid deb line and see what happens on a 32bit system
11:13.30blastwavejelly, go forth with phasers on stun
11:13.31jellyif I can find a 32bit system
11:13.46blastwavejelly, yeah .. this is a cool little desktop that I just had to play with
11:13.54blastwavewas surprised how well it runs
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11:14.09veekis there a way to verify installed file hashes against a server
11:14.26blastwaveveek, do you mean sha256 hashes ?
11:14.32veekyeah
11:14.55blastwaveveek, hrmmm .. I didn't know there was a sha256 manifest catalog for each package but it certainly makes sense
11:15.03jellyveek: "debsums" but it may not detect all issues (checksums are not mandatory and some packages do not ship them)
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11:15.16blastwavethinks 'figures'
11:15.22veekah i ran debsums but it verifies against a local copy
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11:15.29jellyyes.
11:16.28blastwavejelly, that was a feature I had built into all the blastwave packages and then enforced in the Oracle new pkg system beefore all hell broke loose .. that was back in the days when Ian Murdock was still with us .. a sad loss
11:16.42jellyblastwave: well, seems that might work
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11:16.57jellyapt-get -s install linux-image-4.7.0-1-686 # doesn't install anything else from sid
11:17.05blastwavehrmmm
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11:17.19blastwavejelly, not surprise here really
11:17.29jellylikewise with linux-image-4.7.0-1-686-unsigned
11:17.39jellydon't ask me about the difference
11:17.50blastwavein truth I am building the intel drivers and modules and was just, well, surprised where the resolution changed on the exact same hardware
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11:18.03blastwavejelly, hey .. I'll figure it out .. its what I do
11:18.26JyZyXELyesterday i tried to build the debianized version of 4.7.2 on jessie, but couldn't because it had a requirement for gcc-5
11:18.30jellyif it's a recent cpu/gpu (2015+) you may need xserver-xorg-video-intel from jessie-backports
11:18.43JyZyXELits weird because the vanilla 4.7.2 does compile without that requirement
11:18.47blastwavejelly, no .. this thing is old
11:18.59blastwavejelly, had to blow the dust out of it just to get it to work on day one
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11:19.09jellyblastwave: oh, then you shouldn't need either 4.7 or new(er) drivers
11:19.16blastwaveby the way .. Xorg log --> http://paste.debian.net/797809/
11:19.19jellybut who knows with atoms
11:19.42blastwavejelly, well I just build the new kernel and often beta bits on a number of systems for various test reasons
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11:22.36blastwavejelly, actually am working on a memory issue that may still yet exist in the prod kernel version https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120651
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11:24.00jellyblastwave: that Xorg log looks like 1920x1080 was read from EDID and worked?
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11:25.12mrtntI saw a following entry in a file under /etc/cron.d "12 10 25 * * /usr/lib/bin/blah". Is the user column(sixth column) optional?
11:25.13blastwavejelly, works great on 4.7.0
11:25.24jellyJyZyXEL: I guess you can munge the build dependencies manually, or wait for jessie-backports
11:25.27blastwavejelly, exact same hardware and it does not work with 4.7.2
11:25.35jellyah.
11:25.42blastwaveyep .. see ?
11:25.49blastwaveits .. a sneaky little bug here
11:25.56jelly*shrug*
11:25.59blastwavejelly, yep
11:25.59JyZyXELjelly: i just built and installed the vanilla 4.7.2 instead
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11:26.26jellyJyZyXEL: now that upstream has "make deb-pkg" you can even have packages easily
11:26.30blastwaveso it may be an interface issue in the intel atom driver code and therein lay the rabbit hole to dig down
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11:26.46blastwavebut I was wondering why even Xorg -configure fails on 4.7.0
11:26.55JyZyXELjelly: yeah, it just takes a really long time even with a good CPU
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11:27.22JyZyXELsomething about the dpkg creating those .deb packages at the end is really slow
11:27.29blastwaveJyZyXEL, just imagine with a 32-bit atom processor at 1.6GHz and 1G of memory
11:27.36JyZyXELcompilation goes pretty fast with -j8
11:27.59JyZyXELblastwave: haha, you might as well call it a day after hitting enter :P
11:28.18FlashtekJyZyXEL: even quicker with -j24
11:28.24JyZyXELluckyyy
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11:28.26blastwaveJyZyXEL, think 30 hours
11:29.19blastwaveJyZyXEL, so I generally run /usr/bin/nice -n +19 /usr/bin/time -p /usr/local/bin/gmake   and then leave for the day
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11:30.24JyZyXELblastwave: ever consider using another machine for building? :P
11:30.36blastwaveJyZyXEL, well that would just be cheating
11:30.41JyZyXELmy Haswell-desktop did the job in 45 minutes
11:30.52blastwaveJyZyXEL, but I have a whole farm of systems and they are all doing things ..
11:31.03blastwave45 minutes ? whoa
11:31.06JyZyXELmeanwhile i was using the system for desktop activities
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11:31.52jellydebian's .config has everything and then some
11:32.20blastwavejelly, yes .. it is a bit damn thicj
11:32.25blastwavejelly, yes .. it is a bit damn thick
11:32.34JyZyXELthere was a gotcha when using debians .config though. i needed to comment out the "CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS"
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11:32.45blastwaveJyZyXEL, I do have access to one of these however : http://i.imgur.com/5rMoAoc.png
11:32.52JyZyXELbecause it points to "debian/certs/..."
11:33.10blastwaveJyZyXEL, 1024 cores at 4.1GHz and 2TB of memory
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11:33.56blastwaveJyZyXEL, sort of obscene really .. but I use a think client desktop with an Intel Atom and Debian .. in fact I live in front of Debian
11:35.46JyZyXELdebian is the only thing left in my life
11:36.25blastwaveJyZyXEL, sadly I have to deal with a wide array of systems .. but Debian has been my desktop of choice and os for .. a decade
11:36.41blastwaveactually .. no .. I ran RedHat zoot a long long time ago
11:36.45blastwavethat was the 90's
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11:40.22txphey guys, I'm trying to install a minimal headless version of libreoffice on a server running debian stable. Some other distros have a libreoffice-headless package. I read in this thread ( http://askubuntu.com/questions/519082/how-to-install-libre-office-without-gui ), that the best way for a minimal libreoffice install on a debian based system is: "apt-get install libreoffice --no-install-recommends", any thoughts, ideas on that?
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11:40.59stonedyeah
11:41.04stonedWhy are you putting OO on a server?
11:41.18stonedGood morning btw, 5am is cold.
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11:43.06blastwavethinks "it is 5AM somewhere .. let me see .. California?"
11:43.19stonedtxp: why office on a server?
11:43.54txpstoned: we are using a commercial "digital workplace" software which needs openoffice/libreoffice for PDF generation
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11:44.29blastwavetxp, don't expect blazing performance from that
11:44.40txpstoned: I know its kind of overkill, but sadly there is no other way
11:45.20stonedThere are many ways to produce pdf
11:45.31blastwavetxp, there is tcpdf or if you have buckets of money Adobe PDF API
11:46.28Iridostxp, only you can know what you need… → apt-cache show libreoffice=1:4.3.3-2+deb8u5|grep Depends:
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11:46.56stonedtxp: what is the input for generating the pdf?
11:47.01txpstoned, blastwave: yeah, but on the software only supports openoffice for pdf generation - I know its stupid...
11:47.07stonedOh
11:47.12stonedYou're limited by some prop. software?
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11:47.25stonedCommercial digital workdplace?
11:47.27stonedwhat exactly
11:47.39blastwaveyep .. been there many times
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11:48.23txpstoned: intrexx - from a smallish german company (https://www.unitedplanet.com/)
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11:49.02Iridostxp, might be you only need libreoffice-core; to see, run: apt-file show libreoffice-core |grep -e soffice -e pdf
11:49.31stonedOh boy. This stuff giving me a headache.
11:49.49txpIridos: ah, that would be better...
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11:50.30stonedhttp://www.oooninja.com/2008/02/batch-command-line-file-conversion-with.html
11:50.46stonedYou want to batch convert .doc to .pdf using the command line on a server without a GUI?
11:50.50stoned... so forth
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11:51.50stonedhttp://www.artofsolving.com/opensource/jodconverter
11:52.02stonedJODConverter, the Java OpenDocument Converter, converts documents between different office formats.
11:52.04stonedIt leverages OpenOffice.org, which provides arguably the best import/export filters for OpenDocument and Microsoft Office formats available today.
11:52.26Iridoswhat's the point if they're using some software that wants libreoffice
11:52.30txpstoned: yep, thats the plan... so we have a kind of a intranet system, and there users should be able to generate pdfs from html content
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11:52.52stonedtxp: they can do this clientside...
11:52.56txpIridos: they have some build in converter, which sucks...
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11:53.00stonedin a browser. Print as PDF
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11:53.12stonedSave as a pdf file through the print function.
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11:55.49txpstoned: yeah, thats true, but we have some more complex situations, where pdfs are generated dynamically... It's all in the beginning,  but I think the libreoffice solution is the only way to go for us sadly. That being said oooninja looks promising
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11:56.02stonedGood luck
11:56.07txpIf we can trick intrexx in thinking its talking to OO....
11:56.18stonedYou pay for support. Ask for it.
11:56.35stoneds/ask/Demand/
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11:57.13netzachHello
11:57.28netzachIs update-motd.d part of standard debian?
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11:57.48hanshenrikwhat the hell does this mean? http://paste.debian.net/797884/
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11:58.00txpstoned: yeah I just wanted to know, if there is a more minimal way to install OO... thanks a lot guys!
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11:58.03netzachI have googled and havent found the answers. There is no reference to it on any cron job, init service or even in pam-motd.so
11:58.16stonedhttps://wiki.debian.org/motd
11:58.37hanshenrikOpenOffice?
11:58.39hanshenrikOO?
11:58.52Iridoshanshenrik, what the hell do you think it means
11:59.11netzachstoned: unfortunately I haven't found anything there, I'll check again
11:59.12hanshenrikIridos, i have no idea. broken filesystem?
11:59.18stonedhanshenrik: ls -l filezilla
11:59.25stonedhanshenrik: does it have +x
11:59.27stoned?
11:59.28Iridosit means you downloaded some random binary instead of installing the debian package
11:59.28xendontxp libreoffice is pretty the same.
11:59.38netzachI guess I haven't paid attention it is explaiend there stoned
11:59.39netzachthan you
11:59.47stonednp
11:59.49netzachor maybe read another page, the old version who knows
11:59.49txpxendon: yes I know
11:59.57hanshenrik-rwxr-xr-x 1 hanshenrik hanshenrik 11465912 Aug 23 15:21 filezilla
12:00.00Iridosand either the file doesn't have executable permissions or you're on a 64-bit system without 32bit libraries and this is a random 32bit binary
12:00.03netzachstoned: so if I understand correctly it's hardcoded?
12:00.09hanshenrikyes, it has g+r
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12:00.18hanshenrikerr, whatever, it has x
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12:00.39Iridosso why don't you use the debian package instead… and don't run it as root
12:00.40stonednetzach: don't run ./
12:00.44stonedjust type filezilla
12:00.52netzachyou probably don't mean me stoned ?
12:01.13stonedI'm half asleep trying to focus :)
12:01.18stonedgetting confused between people
12:01.27stonednetzach: no
12:01.33stonedsorry
12:01.45netzachstoned: so is it configurable somewhere?
12:01.52stonedWait, what is?
12:01.56netzachI mean how does pam-motd.so know to start the scripts there?
12:01.59odishyour username also probably has something to do with it :^)
12:02.09netzachI mean /etc/update-motd.d/ must be hardcoded in pam-motd.so?
12:02.36stoned"A little less known thing about /etc/motd in Debian and Ubuntu is that pam will actually update your /etc/motd based simply on the scripts in /etc/update-motd.d. So to replicate the above scripts, you could do:"
12:02.50hanshenrikIridos, i downloaded the official filezilla release because the debian version is from 2014 and i wanted to try the newest version
12:02.55netzachyes stoned but I mean it's the code of pam that hardcoded that path I take it?
12:03.14stonedNote that this technique is using a patch that is shipped only with Debian and Ubuntu and not factored into upstream PAM. Furthermore, this code has had security issues in the past (CVE-2010-0832, this bug).
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12:03.36stonedSure. Seems like debian is patching for itself.
12:03.44netzachI see stoned , securiy issues related to motd? strange
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12:05.11stonedhanshenrik: where did you grab the binary from
12:05.20Iridosjudd, versions filezilla
12:05.21juddPackage: filezilla on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5.3-2; wheezy-backports: 3.9.0.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.9.0.5-1; stretch: 3.20.0-1; sid: 3.20.0-1
12:05.42Iridosjudd, checkbackport filezilla
12:05.43juddBackporting package filezilla in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libfilezilla-dev (>= 0.6.1), libgnutls28-dev (>= 3.4.0), libpugixml-dev (>= 1.5), nettle-dev (>= 3.1).
12:06.02hanshenrikstoned, the link provided by https://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=client ,
12:06.12hanshenrikwget https://a.fsdn.com/con/app/accelerator/button?button_size=medium
12:06.14hanshenrikerr wrong
12:06.22hanshenrikwget http://sourceforge.net/projects/filezilla/files/FileZilla_Client/3.21.0/FileZilla_3.21.0_i586-linux-gnu.tar.bz2/download?accel_key=57%3A1472645168%3Ahttps%253A//filezilla-project.org/download.php%253Fplatform%253Dlinux%3Aefae4c8d%240c4d807ab58d99245fdb6cd55cf324d8d8ead127&click_id=4cb49e7c-6f73-11e6-a8b6-0200ac1d1dbe&source=accel
12:06.31Iridosurgh
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12:06.47DeaDSouLis it safe to use the kernel from jessie-backports ? I'm using jessie 8.5 btw
12:06.59hanshenriksourceforge, depending on the "accept" header, will either give you the raw binary, or html blabla if you have "accept text/html~~"
12:07.11hanshenrikits in tar.bz2 format tho, so i extracted it
12:07.46Iridoshanshenrik, it's offering me a filezilla with …x86_64… are you on a 32bit system?
12:08.07hanshenrikno, 64bit debian 8 fully updated, no multiarch.
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12:08.39Iridoswell, but your file showed it's a 32bit binary you have there… it's obvious why you can't run that if you have no multiarch
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12:09.06blastwavemust go do that office job stuff
12:09.24stonedhanshenrik: did you download the 32bit version for an 64bit os?
12:09.43stonedroot@webdevdebian:~/Desktop/FileZilla3/bin# file filezilla
12:09.45stonedfilezilla: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
12:09.58stonedYou need this:  filezilla: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1
12:10.07stonedYou need a 64bit filezilla for 64bit debian
12:10.14jellyfile filezilla zilla?
12:10.23stonedHe pasted the file output
12:10.25stonedit's 32bit,
12:10.31stonedHe just said he has a 64bit jessie
12:11.14hanshenrikoh, seems that yeah, i downloaded a 32bit edition on a 64bit sysmtem :(  is that supposed to explain why it says "./filezilla: No such file or directory" tho? cus that's a horrible way to say that the binary is not compatible with your arch..
12:11.41Iridosthe file missing is the runtime library
12:11.44stonedYou don't need the latest version. Debian's stable version is fine too
12:11.54stonedAre there new features in .31 what you direly need?
12:12.22stonedhanshenrik: it would have worked if yo had multiarch/ia32libs
12:12.24stonedetc.
12:12.57stonedDeaDSouL: why do you need the backported kernel?
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12:13.14hanshenrikwell, if the debian repo version support sftp and concurrent multi-connection downloads, then no ^^
12:13.23stonedWhy wouldn't it?
12:13.23jellyDeaDSouL: sure, but it's less tested than the release one
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12:13.48stonedDeaDSouL: that's what filezilla does. sft and multiple connections in tabs.
12:14.01veekdpkg -V --audit is also fairly decent at checking hashes
12:14.01dpkgveek: what are you talking about?
12:14.08stonedhey veek
12:14.10veekerr.. lol
12:14.15veekhey stoned
12:14.22Iridoshanshenrik, I think you only get that when some extremely basic library like linux-vdso.so.1 or so is missing
12:14.45Iridosor maybe libc…
12:14.48jellyIridos, hanshenrik: the kernel is responsible for that error message, it's the error code from execve() system call
12:15.33Iridoshm, but then that's a bad message to choose
12:15.37jellyit makes sense if you know what it does :-)
12:15.46veekhanshenrik, 32 bit ought to work fine on 64 bit
12:15.47Iridoswell, what does it do
12:16.31veek./filezilla implies you are executing in current working dir
12:16.41veekis filezilla in cwd?
12:16.48stonedyeah
12:16.52stonedhe wa sin the unpacked bin dir
12:17.17veekah! then it could be compatibility
12:17.31veeki had asked this once i think on so..
12:17.39jellyIridos: <shell> please execute this binary *kernel* thinks hmm... it looks like an ELF binary, good, it wants this 64bit ELF ld.so to run, good, but there's no right ld.so on the file system, bad! <kernel> I tried
12:19.14Iridosso… that's basically what I said… happens when some extremely basic runtime library is missing
12:19.45jellyonly if there's correct ld.so (/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2) _already_ installed will you get a different result
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12:21.37jellythe shell would have to make wild assumptions and interpretations to get a better message
12:22.07Iridosshell gone wild
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12:26.37DeaDSouLstoned: sorry bro, i was away.... because I'm using btrfs.. and I'm facing some memory leaks. and I got advised to do so ... that's why I'm wondering if it is safe enough to do it?
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12:27.28DeaDSouLjelly: but it won't cause any conflicts with future packages, updates ..etc.... right?
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12:32.18DeaDSouLjelly: which one should I be installing ? 'linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64', 'linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-rt-am' or 'linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64' ?
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12:33.47DeaDSouLjelly: or `aptitude install linux-image-amd64 -t jessie-backports` and it will take care of the rest ?
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12:34.17DeaDSouLjelly: sorry, but this is my first time to backport the kernel
12:34.25Iridosif you don't know what the -rt- and -grsec- ones are, you don't want them
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12:35.01Iridosspecially the latter
12:35.11DeaDSouLIridos: i saw 'security' in grsec ... that's why i wondered?
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12:35.23miesco,v bitlbee-purple
12:35.25juddNo package named 'bitlbee-purple' was found in amd64.
12:35.40SynrGnot all that glitters is gold
12:35.54IridosDeaDSouL, not sure what you expect me to say to that
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12:36.28SynrGIridos: 'secure' is often confused as a synonym for 'better' ;)
12:36.53IridosI thought it was a synonym for "uncomfortable"
12:37.00SynrGheh
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12:37.14Iridosor in this case, maybe "unusable"
12:38.22DeaDSouLIridos: is the normal kernel in backports still get its security updates?
12:38.39SynrGDeaDSouL: "the most secure system in the world is one with its hard drive demagnetized and buried in a 30 foot hole filled with concrete poured around a Faraday grid"
12:38.57SynrGgrsec kernel is only very slightly more usable than that
12:39.14Iridosthe better question would be: does anything in backports get security updates
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12:40.37SynrGas per https://backports.debian.org/FAQ/
12:40.40DeaDSouLSynrG: lol. just wanted to know the differences between normal kernel and grsec
12:40.46DeaDSouLIridos: do they ?
12:40.51SynrG"done on a best effort basis by the people who track the package"
12:41.03SynrGgenerally the Debian kernel maintainers (who backport the kernel) take security seriously
12:41.04Iridoslook at the faq that SynrG linked
12:41.21SynrGbut it's still "best effort"
12:42.12jellyDeaDSouL: grsec kernel has two dozen different features dealing with hardening, prevention of common classes of security issues, some auditing, oh and a RBAC
12:42.23IridosDeaDSouL, well, we're not wikipedia… read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grsecurity  if you're interested in it. it's a kernel with patches that can make it pretty much unusable if you're not prepared to invest a lot of time into it
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12:42.44jellyIridos: hey, a week isn't a lot of time!
12:43.02DeaDSouLgreat! :(
12:43.06Iridosjelly, so how many weeks of vacation do you get a year? :)
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12:43.26Iridosanyway, are you sure you'll be done in a week?
12:43.34jellyIridos: paid to play with kernels!
12:43.41zinxweeks plural?  if he's in the US, i think that's a bit optimistic ;)
12:43.55Iridoshow often did you take everything-takes-longer-than-you-think-even-if-you-tried-to-take-that-rule-into-account into account?
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12:44.34jellyIridos: "a week" already has *3 factor
12:45.11Iridosnot enough! see https://m.xkcd.com/1658/ Q.E.D.
12:45.16jellyzinx: not US, and if I ever I'll bring my EU-style paid leave specifications with me
12:45.48jelly/cs kick Iridos noxkcd here
12:46.40Iridospfft.
12:47.38dondelelcaroit means committee
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13:05.42Hakon_Is it possible to chroot into a partition of my hard drive that contains an installation of Debian using a Live USB, and install drivers/kernel through that? The system has no means to connect to the internet, so I'm kind of stuck on what I should do.
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13:07.47IridosHakon_, what do you need to install?  You cannot boot into that system?
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13:08.22Hakon_I have installed it, however it comes with the 4.3 kernel, and the drivers that I need for network connectivity were introduced in 4.4.
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13:08.32Hakon_And yes, I can boot into it.
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13:09.18SynrGso yes, you can boot a live USB, chroot into it, and then you should have functional network in that environment, if I recall correctly
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13:09.49Hakon_It should allow me to install updates to the system I have installed on the partition?
13:09.58SynrGbut 4.3 kernel? that's ... odd
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13:10.01SynrG,kernels
13:10.03juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
13:10.13SynrGnot a (current) debian kernel
13:10.14Iridosa newer kernel should be just one .deb package… you can just put that on a stick and install it
13:10.36Iridosoh, good point
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13:11.12Iridoshow'd you get to have 4.3 anyway
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13:11.20voiceguican anyone recommend me a GUI app that works on a Pentium IV  and can download youtube videos? Something like clipgrab. I am NOT after a browser addon or a command line tool like youtube-dl
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13:12.22Hakon_It's a Debian based distro, not official Debian. Can't find support for it in the other IRC, so I thought I'd try and see if I could get some help here.
13:12.33SynrGvoicegui: once upon a time there was a totem plugin ...
13:12.49SynrGHakon_: that's not entirely honest. you said "an installation of Debian"
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13:13.07Hakon_Erm, based.
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13:13.36SynrGin any case, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and suppose you didn't know, but debian-based distros are not supported here.
13:13.58voiceguiSynrG, i've been told  that once upon a time clipgrab worked on debian
13:14.07Hakon_Alright then, thanks anyways then!
13:14.14SynrGvoicegui: youtube downloaders tend to suffer bitrot
13:14.21SynrGbecause google keeps changing the api
13:14.39SynrG,v totem-plugins
13:14.40juddPackage: totem-plugins on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.1-8; jessie: 3.14.0-2; sid: 3.20.1-3; stretch: 3.20.1-3
13:14.53SynrGvoicegui: check that out. it may or may not work. last time i tried it, it did.
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13:15.06voiceguiok thanks
13:15.19SynrGof course, you need to run totem to use it
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13:15.57SynrGand you probably need to find the plugins in totem and enable it after installing totem-plugins, iirc
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13:16.20IridosHakon_, if it's more than one package, /msg dpkg apt-offline (and apt-zip , apt-walkabout) … that would be options available under debian
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13:18.06Hakon_Iridos, I appreciate it, I'll go check that out then. Thanks for the guidence.
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13:19.39SlazOgood day, guys :)
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13:31.55jak2013hi all
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13:32.22jak2013i need put this on crontab task (after reboot:   ifdown eth0; ifup eth0;    how do this?
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13:35.05cbarbieriwhy would you need to restart the network interface once the os has loaded and started it already?
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13:38.01cbarbieriyou should take a look at /etc/network/interfaces and add some 'pre-up', 'pre-down', 'post-up', 'post-down' commands if you need to run something on interface state change
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13:59.57adacis there a newer package for openssl available for jessie?
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14:00.12adacif yes, how can I install it?
14:00.53Iridosthere are never any newer versions in stable  (except if security patches make that necessary)
14:00.58Iridosjudd, versions openssl
14:00.59juddPackage: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u21; jessie-security: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u5; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 1.0.2h-1~bpo8+2; sid: 1.0.2h-1; stretch: 1.0.2h-1; experimental: 1.1.0-1
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14:01.12Iridosthere's 1.0.2 in backports, though
14:01.24Iridosdpkg, backports
14:01.24dpkgA backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ .  Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
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14:01.50Iridosnote that packages in backports don't have dedicated security support like stable does
14:01.58adacIridos, thanks will try it with backports
14:02.04adacok
14:02.52Iridosso it may not be such a great idea to take a package like openssl from backports
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14:03.23RafaelKhello folks
14:03.24adacIridos, Ok yes I understand
14:03.45RafaelKi'm trying to upgrade squueze to jessie :D
14:04.15RafaelKand now i get following error, which i can not solve "Could not perform immediate configuration on "gcc""
14:05.35themillthat's not a supported upgrade path
14:05.55Iridosyou can't jump releases when upgrading
14:06.24themillRafaelK: has the upgrade actually installed any packages yet?
14:06.24Iridosyou have to go squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie if you want to upgrade
14:06.46Iridosbut for the most part it's simpler and/or faster to reinstall at that point
14:07.10RafaelKthemill yes
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14:08.05RafaelKIridos: but its to late now :D
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14:08.15IridosI'd say save your data and do a fresh jessie install
14:08.25RafaelK:D
14:08.25adacIridos, this should be enough right: echo "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jessie-backports.list
14:08.31adacand then a update
14:08.48adacand  apt-get install --only-upgrade openssl
14:10.06IridosRafaelK, you can probably still do dpkg --get-selections> somefile to save the names of the packages currently installed and restore that with --get-selections on a new system (for packages whose names changed, it will just do nothing)
14:10.27themill!immediate configuration
14:10.27dpkgWhen upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, apt may stop with "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on '$package'." First, try running apt-get upgrade; .  If that fails, try running apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0; instead.  Finally, if that doesn't work, if $package isn't an Essential package, then "dpkg -r $package; apt-get -f install.  You should also read <release notes>.
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14:10.57Iridosadac, then apt-get install -t backports openssl or apt-get install openssl=1.0.2h-1~bpo8+2
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14:11.20adacIridos, thanks!
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14:12.42adacIridos, hmm that says: E: The value 'backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
14:13.00themilladac: jessie-backports
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14:13.27Iridosyeah, forgot the name changed
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14:13.41adacalright now I see! Thank you friends!
14:13.46themillIridos: changed?
14:14.59Iridos*shrugÜ*
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14:15.11RafaelKIridos: i do not have KVM access to this machine, i can only restore last 30 Days. I think i do then 6->7->8 upgrade ;)
14:15.14RafaelKthanks
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14:16.50Iridoshm, but does that mean you can't upgrade the kernel?
14:17.00elliot007hey is there any way i can get transparency in gnome-terminal
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14:17.39SynrGelliot007: sort of
14:18.00elliot007SynrG: how??
14:18.08SynrGgnome-terminal itself no longer supports it. however, i've seen it done before with a gnome3 extension
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14:18.24SynrGthird-party, though. and no guarantee this still works ...
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14:18.53SynrGsee extensions.gnome.org and search it for transparent or transparency
14:19.13elliot007SynrG: But in my laptop(Fedora) its there by default and without 3rd party plugins
14:19.15SynrGof course, if it breaks, you're on your own. we won't support it here. i don't think debian includes any such extension
14:19.23SynrGolder gnome?
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14:19.38SynrGgnome removed transparency with the introduction of gnome 3
14:20.18SynrGso it's not a matter of what debian offers vs. other distros. upstream removed it.
14:20.26elliot007nope gnome 3.20
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14:20.45SynrG,v gnome
14:20.46juddPackage: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.20+1; sid: 1:3.20+1
14:21.00elliot007SynrG: 3.20 the latest stable
14:21.01SynrGi don't know.i haven't used gnome since about gnome 3.14
14:21.16SynrGso if upstream has recanted and now offers transparency, that's a possibility ...
14:21.42SynrGif that's the case, it should work in testing
14:21.58elliot007oh okay so can i like download gnome-terminal from stretch repo
14:22.24jellyelliot007: don't mix in any stretch packages into jessie
14:22.50elliot007jelly: oh
14:22.52jellyit it practically certain to make a mess
14:23.01SynrGyes. sorry, i should've made that clear
14:23.05jellyit is*
14:23.14SynrGalso, i was poking around upstream's site and see: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Terminal/FAQ#How_can_I_make_the_terminal_transparent.3F
14:24.04elliot007let me have a look
14:24.40jellymaybe pick a terminal emulator that has the desired feature in the meantime, like xfce4-terminal or rxvt-unicode-lite or konsole?
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14:25.53SynrGelliot007: additionally, i see https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/4hbuni/transparent_terminal_in_gnome_320/ so i don't think gnome has recanted.
14:26.04SynrGany distributions that offer this capability are hacking around it
14:26.13SynrG(e.g. Arch, and apparently also Fedora)
14:26.26r00toboguys, I have problems with apt-get upgrade ...
14:26.29jellyor maybe they're just using a different default term
14:26.32r00toboI got this error, unable to open files list file for package `libarchive-zip-perl': Input/output error
14:26.43RoyKr00tobo: anything in dmesg?
14:26.50r00tobothen E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
14:26.56elliot007jelly: is there anyway i can patch that
14:27.03jellyr00tobo: pastebin the complete command and its full output
14:27.04r00toboI searched the whole google no such output
14:27.30RoyKr00tobo: Input/output error may indicate a disk problem - pastebin output of 'dmesg', please
14:27.36SynrGindeed
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14:27.45somiajYou could also use xcompmgr to give transparency to windows/termials.
14:27.50r00tobook,
14:28.14SynrGi suspect corruption affecting at least /var/lib/dpkg/info/libarchive-zip-perl.list
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14:28.20elliot007somiaj: i'll try it
14:28.26jellyif we're guessing I suspect full disk
14:28.34SynrGjelly: not on input
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14:29.22SynrGjelly: i mean, the implication is that reading the file is causing an I/O error. i'd expect a different error if it were simply truncated.
14:29.23r00toboRoyK, this is the out put [2000339.034577] EXT4-fs error (device md2): ext4_ext_check_inode:479: inode #2660: comm dpkg: pblk 0 bad header/extent: invalid extent entries - magic f30a, entries 1, max 4(4), depth 60(60)
14:29.33jelly!win SynrG
14:29.33dpkgCongratulations, SynrG!  You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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14:29.53SynrGi'll treasure that :)
14:30.15RoyKr00tobo: ok - touch /forcefsck ; reboot
14:30.32RoyKr00tobo: something is fishy on that filesystem
14:30.54elliot007hey i've asked about transparency in gnome channels and they said  convince the Debian maintainers to carry the patches
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14:31.13r00tobowell, it's running with raid 0
14:31.18jellyelliot007: who were they, btw?
14:31.28r00toboso what I shall do?
14:31.45elliot007jelly: technically one guy said
14:31.52jellyright, but where?
14:31.57RoyKr00tobo: like I said - force a fsck
14:32.21RoyKr00tobo: you can't run fsck on a mounted filesystem
14:32.21SynrGelliot007: see #763383
14:32.22elliot007jelly: in gnome channel on gimpnet
14:32.22juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/763383 in gnome-terminal (forwarded, fixed-upstream, patch): «[PATCH] Add transparency option to gnome-terminal»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-09-29; last modified: 2014-11-26.
14:32.36jellySynrG: technically the error message does not say whether it's "open for reading" or "open for writing"
14:32.45r00toboI see. so I do forcefsck in the command line ?
14:33.08RoyKr00tobo: no
14:33.17SynrGelliot007: the idea is to convince *upstream* to include the patch
14:33.20SynrGnot the other way around
14:33.21r00tobowhat I should type in the cli
14:33.31RoyKr00tobo: first run 'touch /forcefsck' to create a zero byte file with that name, and then reboot (like I said above)
14:33.42SynrGelliot007: generally, if upstream is not interested in supporting it, neither are we (certainly not for cosmetic things like this)
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14:33.53r00tobooh ok , so the command actually is touch /forcefsck
14:33.53SynrGi say "we", loosely, being retired now
14:34.04r00tobothis is a new command to me
14:34.10RoyKr00tobo: man touch
14:34.15jellyhmm, three different distros (rather than two) carrying the same patches surely weighs on upstream a bit
14:34.33SynrGnods
14:34.35r00tobobtw, this filesystem is on a server remote-server
14:34.39SynrGbut ultimately the buck stops with upstream
14:34.40jellybut so does switching from gnome because they remove features, to something else
14:34.47SynrGyes :)
14:34.55SynrGan option a lot of people have exercised
14:34.56jellypreferably _also_ on the distro level :-)
14:35.01SynrGhah. good luck
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14:35.19SynrGlast i looked at a feature matrix, i think the debian-cd team felt none of the others were up to it
14:35.25jellySynrG: it has happened before (ok, and reverted)
14:35.30RoyKr00tobo: I hope you have a good backup
14:35.45SynrGyes. but the alternatives end up lacking in one or more areas :(
14:35.51r00tobowell, the touch creates a file so the file is forcefsck ?
14:35.57r00toboI don't have backups 😞
14:35.57elliot007SynrG: I got it
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14:36.07RoyKr00tobo: and you're on raid0?
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14:36.14r00toboit's a remote server running rtorrent/rutorrent
14:36.16xxooxxI catches
14:36.19RoyKr00tobo: that's insane
14:36.30jellySynrG: good thing you don't have to care eh!
14:36.32r00toboabout 16 TB
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14:37.00jellyr00tobo: is the filesystem actually larger than 16TiB ?
14:37.09SynrGelliot007: so in the debian bug# i cited, there are cross-references to the upstream bugs. if you want, you can browse those and see if upstream is buying our arguments that they're responsible to do something about the situation
14:37.11RoyKr00tobo: well, touch /forcefsck and give it a reboot - your filesystem needs a check now - if it doesn't come up again, pray to your favourite god etc
14:37.20SynrGelliot007: i was not sufficiently interested to do that extra reading
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14:37.45RoyKr00tobo: ext4 isn't recommended for filesystems that large - use xfs
14:37.51jellyelliot007: at that point the easy way out is probably just to use a different term
14:37.53r00toboit's ext4 plus I make a separate partition for / root  and the rest to /home
14:37.58SynrGjelly: oh, i care! there are just limits to my caring
14:38.08SynrGjelly: even as a DD, i was free to care, or not care, about most things :)
14:38.14r00tobooh I see. so what's the best to ext4 the maximum size?
14:38.15RoyKr00tobo: ok, then touch /home/forcefsck too before rebooting
14:38.17elliot007SynrG: yeah i've read almost all the page
14:38.44jellyRoyK: RHEL did have it tested and supported for sizes up to 16TiB
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14:39.02elliot007jelly: Yeah you're right but i'm a gnome fan and i'd love to use it even if it don't have that feature anymore
14:39.18RoyKjelly: sure, but that doesn't mean they recommend it anymore - they switched to xfs on rhel7, remember ;)
14:39.35jellyRoyK: and debian has, like, tytso as maintainer for e2fsprogs so if there's an issue debian will probably fix it
14:39.36seanrdevIf I need to run a script in rc.local as a user (not root) how does one do this? I've tried using (su user01 -c '/home/user01/scripts/test.sh') however when logging in and executing 'ps aux | grep test.sh' I can see the command being run but by root not user01.
14:39.55r00toboremember that I'm running debian 8 XD
14:39.58RoyKjelly: the main problem with ext4 and large filssystems is fsck - it takes forever - I once spent 14 hours on a 14TiB fs
14:40.26jellyelliot007: sure, you can keep using the rest of gnome, just switch to a different terminal emulator.  You're allowed to do that.
14:40.33RoyKr00tobo: doesn't matter - anyway - you can't just convert to xfs - you'll have to backup/recreate/restore
14:40.48SynrGiirc there's guake ... isn't that gnomish?
14:40.48RoyKr00tobo: bit first you'll need a check on those filesystems
14:40.54jellyRoyK: 1 hour per TB is about the rule of thumb I've seen as well.
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14:40.56elliot007jelly: yeah i know lol
14:41.00r00toboyes. this is the bad-side any way I did sudo touch /forcefsck and touch /home/forcefsck
14:41.04SynrGif you want gnomey goodness
14:41.05r00tobonow I should reboot
14:41.15RoyKjelly: depends on storage and number of files too
14:41.33SynrGelliot007: give guake a look. see if that floats your boat
14:41.34jellypersonally I cut my ext4 to slices not more than 500GB
14:41.37xxooxxI catch a problem.In Debian8,My laptop is no sound.The type of sound chip is Realtek Alc255.this chip integrates sound port with microphone port.How to solve the problem.Thanks
14:41.40RoyKjelly: I had to run fsck on another server with 9TiB storage and that took less than an hour
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14:42.04jellyRoyK: mostly depends on random iops the backend can do
14:42.26jellyand in case of ext4, whether it was actually populated that much or not
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14:43.06RoyKand file sizes, since extents are faster to check than old ext3-like blocks (just because it's fewer of them)
14:43.19iuvhb85Hi, can you help me ? :) http://pastebin.com/i53x34BE
14:43.21jellybut somehow I prefer my 8 parallel fscks than a large one.
14:43.54SynrG!alsa checklist
14:43.54dpkg1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again)  2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available)  3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped?  4) speakers on?  5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?  6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist.  See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
14:43.56SynrGxxooxx: ^
14:43.59RoyKiuvhb85: perhaps try #letsencrypt
14:44.17jellydpkg, tell iuvhb85 about ask
14:44.42jellyiuvhb85: write a sentence or two about what you're trying to achieve in addition to just the pastebin url.
14:44.59r00toboI did a reboot...hope it solves the problem =p
14:45.14jellypeople don't like to click on a pastebin jsut to figure out they don't know how to hlep at all
14:45.19RoyKr00tobo: server up already?
14:45.28r00tobono, not yet
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14:45.41r00toboI just did the reboot, it's not up yet
14:45.51iuvhb85jelly: yes sorry
14:45.57elliot007SynrG: thanks for suggestion
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14:46.45jellyr00tobo: do you have access to the console of the remote system?
14:46.51iuvhb85Hello, i have probléme with letscrypt (work fine but returne: invalid challenge), can you help me ? http://pastebin.com/i53x34BE
14:46.58r00tobohmmm...I can request a KVM
14:47.04r00tobobut I usually use the ssh
14:47.22jellyr00tobo: a fsck of a 16TB ext4 _will_ take hours, and _may_ ask questions at the console time
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14:47.30r00toboplus I noticed sometimes the server goes down and I have to reboot it from the control panel
14:47.30RoyKr00tobo: console access is rather nice when the shit hits the fan ;)
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14:48.02r00toboplus this server is been used before I take it
14:48.17r00toboso probably the HDDs are not good
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14:49.03r00toboso I need a KVM to see if there are any questions?
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14:51.04jellyr00tobo: yes, especially if it doesn't come back on its own today
14:51.29r00tobooh, will see, thank you for your help ♥
14:51.38SynrGr00tobo: if you suspect hard drive failure, fscking it may not be helpful ...
14:51.51r00toboyes, I know that 😞
14:51.53SynrGr00tobo: do you have smartctl? (smartmon-tools)?
14:52.12SynrGr00tobo: if it's dying and you have no backups, take the drive out of service and work on a recovery plan
14:52.13r00toboI think I can install it...but the server is down I think
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14:52.41SynrGit might be a better use of your time (and safer) to clone the whole drive onto a good one
14:52.50SynrGand then try to fix up the corruption on the clone
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14:53.15seanrdevIf I need to run a script in rc.local as a user (not root) how does one do this? I've tried using (su user01 -c '/home/user01/scripts/test.sh') however when logging in and executing 'ps aux | grep user01' I can see the command being run but by root not user01.
14:53.26SynrGa block-wise copy minimizes disk seeks, vs. any filesystem-wise operations
14:53.29jellySynrG: seeing as r00tobo has _chosen_ to run on raid0, I'd say they don't care a lot about loss of data or downtime
14:53.31RoyKSynrG: the error message was from ext4
14:53.36r00toboyaay
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14:53.44SynrGjelly: oh! missed the raid0 part
14:53.48r00toboit's up now
14:54.04r00toboyes, jelly I don't much care
14:54.06jellydid not see the whole dmesg, just one line r00tobo picked
14:54.16r00toboit's now working upgrading the system ;)
14:55.05iuvhb85no body ?
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14:56.46r00tobook it's working now, everything is up to date
14:56.53r00tobothank you guys ♥
14:57.27r00tobook wait it's not a 16 TB lol
14:57.35r00toboit's 8 TB
14:57.45r00tobo<PROTECTED>
14:58.04r00toboand when I did now a dmesg the problem comes with the md3 only
14:58.31r00tobo[   34.900678] EXT4-fs error (device md3): ext4_ext_check_inode:479: inode #238229109: comm rtorrent main: pblk 0 bad header/extent: invalid extent entries - magic f30a, entries 1, max 4(4), depth 255(255)
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14:59.51lateniteHi folks, why does 'journalctl --list-boots' not list any more but ONE boot?
14:59.52lateniteroot@www2:~# journalctl --list-boots
14:59.52latenite<PROTECTED>
14:59.52lateniteroot@www2:~#
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15:00.24lateniteI am sorry !!!
15:01.06jellyr00tobo: which debian release is this again?
15:01.13r00toboDebian 8
15:01.17jellydefault kernel?
15:01.24r00toboyes
15:01.35r00tobo[  304.965401] EXT4-fs (md3): error count since last fsck: 527
15:01.35r00tobo[  304.965478] EXT4-fs (md3): initial error at time 1470623402: ext4_ext_check_inode:479: inode 238229234
15:01.35r00tobo[  304.965654] EXT4-fs (md3): last error at time 1472654772: ext4_ext_check_inode:479: inode 238229246
15:02.11jellyit's possible your i/o is triggering some kernel bug
15:02.15RoyKdpkg: tell r00tobo about pastebin
15:02.26jelly(rtorrent is mentioned :-)
15:02.35r00tobooh, sorry...:(
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15:04.21lateniteanyone? (btw, I did not mean to flood)
15:04.28r00toboyes, I'm running rtorrent
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15:05.09Iridosiuvhb85, it  can't download the file it needs to verify you own that address
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15:07.45jorlatenite: maybe persistant logs aren't enabled on your system? Do you have a /var/log/journal directory?
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15:10.15balorWhat system component interprets /etc/network/interfaces?  I'm trying to find it in order to provide it with an alternative configuration under certain conditions.
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15:10.33latenitejor, weird... I don't. But I did not delete it!
15:10.38jellybalor: the ifupdown package
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15:10.47latenitejor,  are the disabled by default?
15:10.50balorjelly, thanks
15:10.51iuvhb85Iridos: whi don't check dns ? the token is on port 8443
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15:10.56iuvhb85no on 80
15:11.04RoyKlatenite: seems default is /run/log/journal, that's on tmpfs
15:11.20RoyKlatenite: afaics it'll log to /var/log/journal if that exists
15:11.46lateniteRoyK, but that does not exist per default. Why is that so?
15:12.15RoyKlatenite: ask the systemd guys :P
15:12.16jellylatenite: because then journald would fill up your disk
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15:12.43RoyKjelly: not really
15:12.57Iridosiuvhb85, letsencrypt can only work on the official ports
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15:13.02RoyKjelly: there's a thing called log rotation
15:13.04jellyRoyK: it filled up mine.
15:13.08jorlatenite: I'm not sure what the current default is... isn't rsyslog still installed and running by default on latest stable?
15:13.15RoyKjelly: erm - is it that greedy?
15:13.41latenitejor, I see this
15:13.42latenite<PROTECTED>
15:13.42latenite<PROTECTED>
15:13.55latenitein /etc/systemd/journal.conf
15:14.17latenitewhy is that off by default? That just seems wrong!
15:15.15jellyRoyK: 1.4G    /var/log/journal
15:15.29jellylatenite: if you don't like the default, CHANGE THE SETTING
15:16.01jellyit's a sane default for workstation systems, laptops, that sort of thing
15:16.52latenitejelly, sure I'll change it. What I wanted to know is why it's off by default. You say its sane for workstation systems, laptops,
15:16.56jellyseems everyone likes to whine about defaults that don't fit THEIR usage scenario
15:16.57latenitewhy is that?
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15:17.02jorlatenite: maybe disabled because of the duplicate logging? if rsyslog is still writing to /var/log/... files...
15:17.05latenitetrue :D ^^
15:17.12jellylatenite: because it fills up the disk
15:17.16latenitebut here...it's logs....
15:17.38latenitejelly, there is a build in rotation to the journal!
15:17.58latenitejelly, it'll fill up only *so* much...
15:17.59jellylatenite: is there?  What's the limit?
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15:18.11latenitejelly, you set it in the defaults.... no kidding
15:18.26jellyso you have to SET it, eh?
15:18.33jellythat's not what "default" means
15:18.38latenitejelly, no my other distros have set it
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15:18.43lateniteby default
15:18.50jellygood for them
15:18.53lateniteso they have logs, that do not flood the disk
15:19.12lateniteif its good for them...why is it not good (enough) for debian?
15:19.17jorlatenite: that 'auto' setting is probably commented out because it's the default values. So it still should be just a matter of creating the directory
15:19.24jellylatenite: I'm sure debian will accept a bug report, preferably with patches.
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15:19.56latenitejelly, off I go to bug track world :D
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15:22.10SynrGbtw, /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz
15:22.36meowshwitzlet's set up some drums in a circle and sing an appreciation song for systemd
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15:22.56SynrGlatenite: i think the answer is, Debian includes rsyslog by default. logging it twice is redundant.
15:23.19SynrGin a "pure" systemd world, you wouldn't need that
15:23.41SynrGbut we live right now in a transitional systemd world, in which not everything conforms to systemd's grand vision of logging
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15:24.00lateniteSynrG, ok that makes total sense.
15:24.02SynrGthe readme goes into more details about what you'd have to do
15:24.03latenitesure
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15:26.42SynrGlatenite: so maybe the real answer is that "other distros" already drank the kool-aid? :)
15:27.13SynrGDebian has been much criticized for its adoption of systemd. but we were conservative. and people can still run Debian without it
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15:36.00opvhi all - i just installed debian jessie, apt-getted xfce4 which pulled gdm3 and x as dependencies - how do i get it to autostart now?
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15:36.21greycatIf gdm3 is installed, it will run a GUI login when you boot.
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15:37.04LorD_n1c0wsomeone can suggest an tool for verify usage memory detailed?
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15:40.08opvgreycat: thx
15:40.15opvseems it recommended but didn't really pull it
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15:41.09mdlpehi, how to prevent sleep mode for an usb wifi stick ?
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15:42.01SynrGdarn, missed
15:42.18SynrGi think task-xfce4-desktop would have given different results
15:42.18SynrGvs xfce4
15:42.39SynrGer, task-xfce-desktop
15:42.48SynrGDepends: lightdm
15:43.02SynrGoh well.
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15:51.13thurstylarkI can't get my computer to sound its bell. I've tried `echo -e "\a"` and the beep utility, but I don't hear anything from my machine when I run it over ssh, or a local tty. lsmod shows pcspkr is loaded, and the beep device in alsa is unmuted and turned all the way up. Is there something I'm missing?
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15:51.51greycatThe hardware may not be fully wired up.
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15:53.17zykotick9resets his beep volume to muted... it did work... horrible sound that beep.
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15:53.43thurstylarkhmm. if that's the case, I oughtta have a word with the manufacturer... It's brand new out of the box...
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15:55.19greycatMost people try really really hard to *stop* the incessant beeping.
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15:55.26greycatYou seem to be atypical. ;-)
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15:57.23thurstylarkheh. my fruitless google searches would agree.
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15:58.40thurstylarkIt's a headless box that will be powered on and off using the power button on it's front, so I want it to beep when it starts the shutdown process so the user has at least a little feedback when they press the button :P
15:58.41greycatThe only other suggestion I have at this time would be to try both inside X (in a terminal emulator), *and* at the Linux text console.
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15:59.11greycat... oh, there is no console?  That's going to make it harder.
15:59.32hexadecimalHello o/
15:59.55thurstylarkgreycat: I mean, I have it at my desk at the moment, so I can get a console to try it, but it will be completely headless in production
16:01.22SynrGdoes the mb have a piezoelectric buzzer on it?
16:02.08thurstylarkSynrG: it should... I admit I haven't physically checked on this specific model...
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16:02.10SynrGmaybe now considered a luxury that's omitted in very small form-factors. dunno
16:02.12thurstylarkdigs around
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16:07.32thurstylarkwell, fuck me. there isn't
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16:11.05Linnakhi, which wifi printer do you recommend for debian? mono, multi, laser should be
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16:12.50mdlpeLinnak: no one. wire is really less problem
16:13.31mtnLinnak: hps usually work fine
16:13.33Linnakon a laptop it isn't too convenient
16:13.48Linnakhp? good. thanks
16:15.35mdlpeLinnak: why not ? It's really better to have a printer  that works. Canon printer (ip4850 are fully supported (recto/verso, cd etc) You plug you print. Hp is fake
16:15.54LinnakHP LaserJet Pro M125nw
16:16.08heller_so do i need to be worried with these emails? http://pastebin.com/ubD1hG2b
16:16.28mdlpeLinnak: check if they provide driver in .deb and .rpm
16:16.29LinnakYes. I know that Canon developes them and HP uses their technology
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16:16.42Linnakmdlpe: Good idea
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16:17.26mdlpeLinnak: and good luck :))
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16:19.12caretaguys is there a way to tell linux to create a core without using ulimit?
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16:19.58caretafor example without bash
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16:55.06luckyguymy ultrabook has Win 10 already installed. How to install both Windows 10 and Debian 8.5 from scratch ? I want to erase all the files ...
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16:56.33eichenwaldnot going to be able to install windows from scratch, you could sysprep win 10, then install debian, use partioning in installer to set up dual boot w/ grub
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16:56.45eichenwaldunless you have win 10 install
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16:57.20teraflopshmm why sysrep
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16:58.07teraflopsalso why are you assuming he has no install media for Windows?
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16:59.53matsamanluckyguy: want to erase because they're in your way, or because you want no trace of them ever forever?
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17:01.20luckyguymatsaman: I just don´t want them anymore... Want to start fresh... Please give me the steps... I never did it before. Thanks in advance.
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17:02.59teraflopsluckyguy: just install Windows first ensure yourself you have secured it disabled leave empty space when installing windows there you'll install debian later. once windows insurance installed boot the debian installation media and install it into the free space. once installed and booted install os prober it will detect windows and will add it to the grub menu
17:03.13teraflopssecured/secure boot
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17:04.25teraflopslol insurance sorry it's the phone autocorrection
17:04.35luckyguyteraflops: that´s the point: Windows 10 is differente
17:05.00teraflopsluckyguy: sorry I don't get what you mean
17:05.03luckyguyit does not allow to pick partitions like with Win 7 and the others before
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17:06.43teraflopsluckyguy: I'm telling you to erase the partitions while installing windows. if you cannot leave empty space redimension the partition from Windows when installed
17:07.42teraflopsit's preferred dealing with windows partitions from Windows itself not from debian installer
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17:07.53matsamanyeah, the UEFI partition complicates matters
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17:08.01matsamanused to be you could just make a single partition for Windows, and it'd take it
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17:08.04teraflopsjust disable secure boot
17:08.26luckyguyteraflops: secure boot on BIOS ?
17:08.27teraflopsyou want UEFI but not secure boot enabled
17:08.40teraflopsnot bios it's uefi firmware
17:08.49luckyguymatsaman: what´s UEFI ?
17:08.51teraflopsunless your ultrabook is way old
17:08.59teraflops^
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17:10.14matsamanluckyguy: just some thing some vendors want you to use instead of the status quo, with some extra complications
17:10.32matsamananyway I think someone told you, just install windows and leave space for your unix distro
17:10.36matsamanthat will work fine
17:10.44teraflopsluckyguy: if you have good old bios just ignore the uefi bit
17:11.10matsamanwhat is it you want windows for?
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17:11.31luckyguymatsaman: the problem is when I place the Windows 10 DVD it just skips straigth to the login part
17:12.03matsamanluckyguy: to a gnu/linux install you already have?
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17:14.57luckyguymatsaman: sorry ?
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17:15.36matsamanluckyguy: a linux login prompt?
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17:16.08matsaman(a) yes (b) no (c) I don't know
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17:19.04drmagooHi, I'm trying to update my Debian-Unstable system. Apt complains that the apt_1.3-rc3 package is trying to overwrite a file handled in apt-utils-1.2.13
17:19.38drmagooAny knows what that might be about and if there is a way to fix it
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17:21.12luckyguymatsaman: you´re telling me to try to install Debian before ?
17:21.23CuteMeOwnThroattry #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for current sid stuff (and/or the bug tracking system)
17:22.17matsamanI wasn't telling you anything just now, I was asking you a question...
17:22.28matsamanI even gave you the suitable answers
17:22.32matsamanmultiple choice man =)
17:22.41CuteMeOwnThroat[x] all of the above
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17:29.59luckyguymatsaman: oh sorry.. letter (c)
17:30.28matsamanluckyguy: is there any OS or any data on the laptop right now that you want to keep?
17:31.21luckyguymatsaman: none
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17:33.10matsamanluckyguy: okay, can you get to the boot menu? Reboot, hit F12 and or ESC fairly regularly
17:33.21matsamanthe bootup screen might also say which key it is
17:34.07luckyguymatsaman: right now?
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17:34.40matsamanluckyguy: why not
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17:34.52matsamanif you can get the boot menu, you can tell it to boot from the DVD
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17:35.51luckyguythat´s because I´m currently using the ultrabook .... to talk to you guys
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17:36.05luckyguywhat would be the option on the BIOS for it ?
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17:40.05aointaot1innc.traditional has a bug.
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17:40.48aointaot1inat termination, when it prints "sent n, rcvd m"...
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17:41.26matsamanluckyguy: something that says 'dvd', 'cd', 'optical', etc.
17:42.11winsenhi all
17:42.13luckyguymatsaman: so I should disable secure boot ?
17:44.22winsenI need to assNTpasswrd to 'yumi'multiboot creator.  does anyone know what is the entry for NTpasswrd? is it ubuntu, debian... tool?
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17:50.58matsamanluckyguy: if that's what you have to do to get to a boot menu, you could
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18:01.24ksft!factoid
18:01.24dpkgA factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print, or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated information, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something.  This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid".
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18:02.44ryouma!apt-sources
18:02.44dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, apt sources is a list of unofficial sources for apt. The URL is http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/apt-sources/
18:02.51ryouma!sources.list
18:02.51dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
18:02.58ryoumathere you go
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18:11.12aointaot1innobody cares about nc.traditional eh :P
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18:11.40greycatFile a bug report.
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18:28.16PotatomanHey guys. I was being helped by a person on ##linux but he has to eat lunch now and he told me to ask here for any further questions.
18:28.52somiajPotatoman: provided it is for a debian pure blend ask away. (:
18:29.03PotatomanI'm currently at the config popularity contest thing. Do I turn this on or off? I'd rather have it off but it might be importsnt?
18:29.38PotatomanI think it is.. I'm not sure, I don't know anything whatsoever about Linux / Debian
18:29.39somiajPotatoman: it is just a survey of what software you use in debian. The choice is yours.
18:29.43greycatIt's not important to the running of your system.
18:29.49PotatomanOkay
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18:30.06greycat,popcon rxvt-unicode
18:30.07juddPopcon data for rxvt-unicode: inst: 2358, vote: 909, old: 1381, recent: 68, nofiles: 0
18:30.08somiajPotatoman: so it is a matter of if you want to add data so we have some idea what software people who use debian like/use.
18:30.20greycatIt gives Debian statistics like that ^^^
18:30.27PotatomanGotcha
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18:31.21PotatomanIf I want to install LXDE, do I untick Debian desktop environment?
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18:31.55greycatUnticking things in the installer is always safe.  You can install them later if you want them.
18:32.07PotatomanI see!
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18:32.26somiajPotatoman: you want both desktop and enviroment and LXDE checked if using tasksel to install them for you
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18:32.40PotatomanTassel?
18:32.42somiajPotatoman: some prefer to not install much with tasksel and then only install the packages they want.
18:32.55greycattasksel is the thing in the installer that you are looking at right now
18:33.01PotatomanOh
18:33.06somiajPotatoman: tasksel is the program which gives you a list of 'tasks' you can check or uncheck, and then it will install a collection of packages for that task.
18:33.14PotatomanGotcha
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18:34.09PotatomanI untucked it and I'm already far past that part and I can't go back, how do I get it back like greycat said?
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18:34.39PotatomanOh hey, wb rypervenche
18:34.49somiajPotatoman: once you finish the install you can run 'tasksel' or you can just use apt-get or aptitude to install the software you want. You can ask us about the meta-packge that would pull in all of LXDE for instance.
18:35.13PotatomanOkay, thanks
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18:35.39grighi guys. I can't install Debian on my laptop. When booting from a USB drive with the Netinstall installer I get this error: Failed to load ldlinux.c32
18:36.04grigbut the same ISO image works in VMware
18:37.45mtngrig: how did you burn the disk? what tool did you use?
18:38.44grigdd if=debian-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/rdisk2 bs=1m
18:39.27mtngrig: hmm, what is /dev/rdisk2? that is odd. and it should not go to a partition, it should go to the device
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18:39.46grigsorry, that is on OS X
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18:40.13grigthat's how you write an ISO image to an USB drive
18:40.32grigon OS X
18:40.38mtngrig: ok
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18:53.40dionysus69I saw some errors at boot up, where are those logged so I can check?
18:54.16greycatrun "journalctl" as root
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18:55.28dionysus69I did
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18:55.31dionysus69doesnt show up
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18:56.20dionysus69I mean stuff show up but not those errors at the boot time
18:56.57greycatWhat do the errors say?
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18:57.41dionysus69ok I just found using dmesg
18:57.44dionysus69says usb 2-7: device descriptor read/all, error -110
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19:00.12dionysus69also I am getting these errors firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-7265D-17.ucode (-2) from 17 to 21 firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-7265D-21.ucode (-2)
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19:00.46greycatjudd file iwlwifi-7265D-17.ucode
19:00.49dionysus69currently I have iwlwifi-7265D-16.ucode loaded which is the latest one and for kernel 4.3+.. thats weird
19:00.50juddNo packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
19:01.15dionysus69yes 17 to 21 dont even exist yet
19:01.29dionysus69is kernel asking for some future drivers ? :D
19:01.52greycatAre you using Debian stable?
19:02.04dionysus69nope stretch
19:02.09greycat!debian-next
19:02.10dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
19:02.18dionysus69oh I knew that
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19:02.27dionysus69but what about the first error :D
19:02.32dionysus69its not unique to testing :D
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19:08.28kmhhi, how do i remove a package when the config script fails?
19:09.09CuteMeOwnThroatyou mean the pre/post install script…
19:09.14CuteMeOwnThroatfix the script
19:09.17greycatedit the prerm script (or whichever) by hand
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19:09.39greycatthen clean up whatever your editing caused not to get cleaned up
19:09.54kmhthe package is the new kernel which does not build the spl module
19:10.21kmhso i just wanna get rid of the half configured new kernel and use the old kernel
19:10.21somiajkmh: scripts are located in /var/lib/dpkg/info -- an 'exit 0' at the top will fix the script, but also mean you will have to manually do anything the script should have done.
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19:10.51kmhsomiaj, ahh ok thx... yeah i will compile the module my self
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19:15.22akiTendoI have a kernel problem - following this tutorial: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-building-installing-a-custom-linux-kernel/
19:15.47akiTendoI got through with no errors that I noticed but apparently the new kernel is missing firmware.
19:15.51greycatdpkg, kernel handbook
19:15.51dpkgThe Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation.  See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source.
19:16.08akiTendoYes, I've read that.
19:16.54akiTendoI'm running under the debian default kernel for Jessie.  The new one is 4.7.2.  Is there a way to copy over the firmware?
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19:50.37ewewHi. Is there a place where i can find the build flags used in compilation by debian developers ?
19:51.07greycatThe debian/rules file in each source package.
19:51.35ewewgreycat it differs in each packages ?
19:52.42greycatyes.
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19:54.19DammitJimI am using @reboot in a cron job
19:54.34DammitJimhow bad is it that I'm using that to spin up an application?
19:54.56greycatNot bad enough to earn you a spot in Debian Hell.
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19:55.59DammitJimI think that puts me in the 3rd ring
19:56.58ewewgreycat how about rbash set to user accounts and bash with permissions 750 ?
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19:57.50greycatYes, I believe that might earn you a spot in Debian Hell.
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19:59.10DammitJimanyways... obviously a bash script that is in a while loop could potentially die
19:59.20DammitJimhow would I manage to restart that automatically
19:59.30croddysystemd knows how to do that
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19:59.35greycatWrite a systemd unit for it.
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20:00.01DammitJima systemd, huh?
20:00.05DammitJimwow... I'd like to do that
20:00.16ksft-mobileI just installed Debian, and I think I messed up the apt sources
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20:00.44DammitJimthanks!
20:00.50jellyksft-mobile: which debian release, 8?
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20:01.25ksft-mobile<PROTECTED>
20:01.33ksft-mobilejelly: yes, 8.5
20:01.54jelly!jessie sources.list
20:01.54dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
20:02.05ksft-mobileoh!
20:02.47jellyyou're missing the main mirrors in addition to having security and jessie-updates commented out for some reason
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20:03.56ksft-mobilewhat's the "contrib non-free" in mine?
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20:08.56greycat!non-free
20:08.56dpkg[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>.  To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>.  To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.  For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
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20:19.55ksftI'm having trouble connecting to wifi.
20:20.44somiajksft: please describe what the issue is? run 'dmesg | grep firmware', it could be you are just missing some non-free firmware and need to install it
20:20.56ksft`lshw -C network` shows it as "*-network UNCLAIMED"
20:21.24somiajksft: what version of debian are you running? What network card/chipset are you using?
20:21.27ksft8.5
20:21.47somiajSome newer wifi cards won't be supported with the stock debian 8 kernel, you may just need a newer kernel from jessie-backports
20:21.59ksft"BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter"
20:22.09ksfthttp://termbin.com/i43o
20:22.18missmbobbroadcom-sta-dkms
20:22.33ksftsomiaj: what's the package called?
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20:25.57ksft-mobilesomiaj: how do I do that?
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20:26.17missmbobhttps://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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20:27.33DeaDSouLhi, I've installed linux-image-amd64 from the backports... how can I undo this?
20:27.54greycatjust remove the package(s)
20:28.03somiajksft-mobile: follow the link missmbob gave you. The package name will be linux-image-amd64 for an amd64 install, you just need to install it from jessie-backports
20:28.13greycat(assuming you *kept* the jessie kernel)
20:28.19DeaDSouLgreycat: `aptitude purge linux-image-amd64` ???
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20:28.25missmbobDeaDSouL: that's a meta package. you need the real image
20:28.31greycatDeaDSouL: no, the ACTUAL PACKAGES.  Use dpkg -l kernel-image\* | cat
20:28.39somiajDeaDSouL: unless you removed the old package, you still have the old kernel installed and can just boot the old kernel.
20:28.57somiaj(though I guess if the old kernel was auto-installed it may have been removed)
20:29.27greycatI don't think I've ever seen a kernel image show up in the list of "hey these things are autoinstalled you want I should remove em for youze"
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20:31.36DeaDSouLsomiaj, greycat missmbob : http://paste.debian.net/798929/
20:32.11missmbobDeaDSouL: so remove linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
20:32.12DeaDSouLgreycat: dpkg-query: no packages found matching kernel-image*
20:32.27greycatsorry, should have written linux-image\*
20:33.15DeaDSouLmissmbob: ok, what about linux-image-amd64 ? it's from backports
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20:33.32DeaDSouLgreycat: np bro
20:33.58missmbobDeaDSouL: yes. i'd install it from stable after you remove it
20:34.30greycatIt would probably be enough just to do apt-get install -t jessie linux-image-amd64 if this is really a concern.
20:34.34DeaDSouLok, hopefully nothing bad is gonna happen :p
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20:34.57DeaDSouLgreycat: yeah this is much better if takes care of the backport image
20:35.17somiajDeaDSouL: it will be removed when you remove the actual linux image package, you could install it from jessie again if you really want to, only thing it will do is ensure a new kenrel is installed in the future if you upgrade that machine to the next debian stable.
20:35.27somiajDeaDSouL: the meta packge that is.
20:35.51DeaDSouLgreycat: nah, it didn't work
20:36.02greycatIt did not downgrade the metapackage?  What DID it do?
20:36.20DeaDSouLgreycat: no it didn't
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20:36.24greycatwhat DID it do
20:37.20DeaDSouLI'll remove the linux-image-amd64 ... then will see if it's going to remove the 4.6 image.. if it does. i'll re-install it from jessie
20:37.50DeaDSouLgreycat: 'Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.' .... btw i used aptitude
20:37.57greycatobviously telling us what it did would violate the MAGICAL SECRECY PROVISION
20:38.14DeaDSouLgreycat: even apt-get... didn't do anything
20:38.38greycatWhat version of the linux-image-amd64 package was installed BEFORE you ran the apt-get command, and what version of it is installed NOW?
20:39.00WormFoodDoes anyone have any ideas why pulseaudio keeps screwing up. I have to restart my Audacious to make it output sound again. Same with my videos. Any paused videos, when resumed will not play. The only clue I get in the log files is "Aug 31 00:59:59 xxxxx rtkit-daemon[3696]: Successfully made thread 30498 of process 30498 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '1000' high priority at nice level -11." . This is on debian stable.
20:39.41DeaDSouLeven removing 'linux-image-amd64' won't take care of the installed image
20:39.47greycat...
20:39.49unborngreycat: just post that dont bloody beak the debian link :) .. we was all there...
20:39.52greycatNOBODY.  SAID.  IT.  WOULD.
20:39.57missmbobDeaDSouL: i told you what to remove
20:39.59missmbobDeaDSouL: so remove linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
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20:40.25greycatYou were told to remove the ACTUAL PACKAGE that you don't want, and then to downgrade the METApackage if you really feel it's an issue.
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20:43.35WormFoodsoooo....I'm the only one having issues with pulseaudio?
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20:43.59DeaDSouLmissmbob: https://s21.postimg.org/wskk76ufr/Screen_Shot_2016_08_31_at_11_43_21_PM.png
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20:44.08DeaDSouLis it OK to continue ?
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20:44.22missmbobDeaDSouL: yes. your paste showed you still had the old kernel
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20:45.03DeaDSouLmissmbob: yes I do
20:45.11missmbobso no problem. continue
20:45.16DeaDSouLmissmbob: will it configure itself to use that old kernel ?
20:45.40missmbobDeaDSouL: yeah you dont have to do anything extra
20:45.42greycatYes.  Grub will be updated automatically.  Did you not witness this event?
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20:46.18DeaDSouLindeed it does.. it did find and configure the old kernel :D
20:46.32DeaDSouLgreycat: i did bro :)
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20:55.06ketralnisI'm trying to make a debian package for a Python package using stdeb. The default sdist_dsc does a pretty good job of ignoring files like .git and *.egg-info, but I want it to ignore another file (.vagrant) and I'm having trouble convincing it to not include it in the package
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20:55.46i-love-porni need help with somethinf
20:55.49i-love-porn*something
20:56.04i-love-pornhow to download porn on debian without having the browser history?
20:56.36ketralnisUse the private browsing mode of whatever browser you're using
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20:56.49i-love-pornokay
20:56.53ketralnise.g. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/private-browsing-use-firefox-without-history
20:57.06WormFoodyou use the web to download porn?
20:57.20i-love-pornwhy not?
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20:57.22CelelibiThe web is so outdated.
20:57.30i-love-pornHow else am I supposed to see your mom?
20:57.39WormFoodMy mom's porn is only on torrents.
20:57.47i-love-pornlmfao torrents
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20:57.53i-love-porntorrents are on the web!
20:57.58heyitsmewhich
20:57.58heyitsme.
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20:58.01somiajplease keep it on topic.
20:58.15i-love-pornsomiaj: fine I'll torrent the shit on debian
20:58.28i-love-pornthen its topical, lol
20:58.29WormFoodtorrents are hosted on the web, and other places. But torrents are not the web.
20:58.48i-love-pornbut downloading on a torrent is downloading over the wev
20:58.50i-love-porn*web
20:58.53xandit is not.
20:59.03xandbittorrent is not http
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20:59.07i-love-pornunless you have a torrent on your private LAN or WAN
20:59.14xandthe web means HTTP
20:59.20WormFoodand HTTPS
20:59.35i-love-pornoh i thought it meant the internet, lol
20:59.39xandnope
20:59.39WormFoodbittorrent is a totally different protocol.
20:59.46WormFoodweb has been around since 2001
20:59.52xand2001?
20:59.53WormFoodInternet has been around much longer.
21:00.03WormFoodno
21:00.03i-love-pornbittorrent is so fucking gay, though
21:00.13WormFood1991
21:00.18heyitsmeHey guys. I installed Debian Jessie alongside my win10 installation. Separate partitions and stuff. I just boot straight into Windows. How do I boot into Linux?
21:00.20WormFood1989 for IRC
21:00.31heyitsmeMy BIOS only shows the 2 partitions as one hard drive.
21:00.32WormFoodheyitsme, you need to set the active partition
21:00.44heyitsmeWormwood could you help me with that?
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21:00.50WormFoodSet the active partition to Linux
21:01.05heyitsmeIn the BIOS?
21:01.06WormFoodI don't remember how to do it on Windows. I think you can still use fdisk.
21:01.10WormFoodno, not in the bios.
21:01.13i-love-pornLOL no
21:01.15i-love-porndiskpart
21:01.22i-love-pornfdisk no longer exists on windows
21:01.25heyitsmeSorry I'm really new to Linux and stuff
21:01.30WormFoodwhatever. So, diskpart.
21:01.38heyitsmeOkay, thanks
21:01.44WormFoodif you can boot linux, then you can use Linux's fdisk. I can walk you through that.
21:01.50i-love-pornyeah, well noobs are not allowed here unless they post naked pictures of their pussy
21:01.51xander
21:02.03xandif it's win10 then GPT is probably involved, and fdisk doesn't support that
21:02.12WormFoodsorry i-love-porn, I don't have any naked pictures of you :P
21:02.14xandi-love-porn: and yet here you are?
21:02.23i-love-pornxand, I am not a noob
21:02.28i-love-porni'm also not a bitch
21:02.33jori-love-porn: there is the porn-get command from the lesbian distribution
21:02.33i-love-pornI'm just an idiot
21:02.40i-love-pornlol
21:02.42WormFoodyou thought the web is the internet, and you're not a noob? Ok, you're just an idiot then.
21:02.48ketralnisAnyone have stdeb (python + debian package tool) experience, specifically with convincing it to exclude files from the package?
21:03.24i-love-pornI like being an idiot!
21:03.37xandbeing an idiot is nothing to be proud of
21:03.47i-love-pornxand, your mom thinks otherwise
21:03.58xandif you say so
21:04.00i-love-pornshe says she likes idiots up her cunt
21:04.01`Kevinclearly a troll
21:04.07WormFoodwow, it seems you know a lot of guy's moms here.
21:04.12i-love-pornlol
21:04.18ketralnisCan we please keep the off-topic to a minimum? It just scrolls legitimate discussion off
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21:05.32heyitsmeWormwood I tried making the Linux partition active but it says it needs to be fixed MBR
21:05.32heyitsmeWhatever that means
21:05.41rypervencheSo it seems that heyitsme is using GPT.
21:05.44heyitsme*wormfood
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21:12.32teraflopsheyitsme: youn dont need to set a patition active since thr 90's
21:12.36teraflopsthe*
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21:13.15heyitsmeI'm trying to dual boot Windows and Linux and it's booting me into Windows immediately teraflops
21:13.26unbornfo - pa teraflops :)
21:13.59unbornheyitsme: just get rid of the spyware (windows)
21:14.18teraflopsit doesnt matter, you dont need to set any partition active there
21:14.45heyitsmeWhat do I do other than that? Trying rescue mode en
21:14.45heyitsme.
21:14.53unbornheyitsme: if you cannot - stay on windows.
21:15.23teraflopsheyitsme: sorry I dont follow your issue I've just arrived here
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21:16.19heyitsmeInstalled Debian jessa and I had windows installed, I wanna dial boot bit it throws me into Windows immediately
21:16.19heyitsme.
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21:16.57unbornheyitsme: it would be good for you i
21:17.08teraflopsheyitsme: then I suppose you committed pebcak when installing grub
21:17.18unbornf you stay on windows.. install some virtualbox and debian there for trial..
21:17.21heyitsmePebcak?
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21:17.36unborno0???
21:18.21teraflopsheyitsme: http://arch.har-ikkje.net/gfx/pebcak.jpg
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21:18.49unbornarch... really tera?
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21:19.23heyitsmeYeah teraflops I'm really new to Linux and stuff, sorry
21:19.23teraflopsoh yeah I do arch in my workstation and im quite happy
21:19.35unbornuser does not even know how to spell the question.. well good luck with that.
21:20.45teraflopsheyitsme: hey sorry I didnt mean to offend you what I mean is that it looks like you failed at the "install bootloader" stage
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21:21.42t1m1dhello
21:22.00heyitsmeThere wasn't really a stage like that I can recall. I had to give the installer tons of preferences until I came at the taskset thing and then I just waited 15 minutes or so and it said it was done
21:22.02t1m1dI could use some help with installing nonfree firmware on my xps 13
21:22.04teraflopsheyitsme: so the next step should be booting in rescue mode and installing grub again
21:22.41teraflopsheyitsme: UEFI or bios + mbr?
21:22.41t1m1dI have the firmware extracted to the root directory of a small usb stick formatted fat32, but the installer isn't recognizing it
21:23.02t1m1dUEFI, following the debian wiki guide for xps 13 9350
21:23.26unbornt1m1d: that is dell.. it should work right a way until you have some nvidia crap :)
21:23.41t1m1dTrying to get the firmware for the wifi chip installed
21:24.25t1m1dInstaller is asking for it, it's sitting there in a usb drive connected to the laptop, but it seems to not recognize that it's there for some reason. I can see activity on the usb drive led but that's it
21:24.44missmbob!firmware iso
21:24.44dpkgUnofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ .  See also <install guide>.
21:25.04teraflopst1m1d: are you sure you have the correct firmware?
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21:25.14t1m1dI'm using stretch, jessie doesn't support the skylake cpu very well
21:25.20t1m1dhttps://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Dell_XPS_13_9350
21:25.28t1m1dfollowing that to a T
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21:25.59teraflopsah k then
21:26.56t1m1dOn the flash drive I just have the brcm folder with all the firmware inside of it, but I tried having everything in the root directory of the drive and having it exactly as it came in the .deb
21:27.08t1m1dUnless I'm just supposed to drop the .tar file on the flash drive?
21:27.17t1m1dI did this before on my old laptop without issue
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21:28.08t1m1dI can plug in the flash drive while the installer is running, right? It's not something that has to be plugged in when I boot the pc, correct?
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21:42.07t1m1dteraflops: any ideas?
21:42.23t1m1dWould the nonfree stretch netinst iso work fine instead?
21:43.14jelly!debian-next
21:43.15dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
21:43.43jellyt1m1d: ^^ the right place where users of stretch live
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21:44.21t1m1djelly: Thanks, I figured this was a general enough question
21:45.12t1m1dWould a nonfree iso work though? I assume so, I'll just try that now
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21:47.19jelly,v firmware-brcm80211
21:47.19juddPackage: firmware-brcm80211 on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1
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21:50.46DeaDSouL,v linux-base
21:50.47juddPackage: linux-base on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5; jessie: 3.5; jessie-backports: 4.3~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.4; sid: 4.4
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21:52.16DeaDSouLhow can I know when a package were backported ? or because of which package backported, a custom package backported too ?
21:52.30DeaDSouLwas*
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21:53.06t1m1djelly: I am confused what that means. I am running the graphical installer from the latest stretch nonfree netinst iso, but that shouldn't be different from jessie in regards to loading firmware. The nonfree ISO apparently doesn't have my nonfree firmware, but I have the firmware on a flash drive. The installer refuses to recognize it. Any suggestions?
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21:53.14bravvvehttp://paste.debian.net/799066/
21:53.27somiajDeaDSouL: apt-cache policy packagename may help
21:53.37bravvvehaving some truble configuring virtual hosts under debian ,all seems alright,but cant get web page using DN ,there is my configuration http://paste.debian.net/799066/
21:53.41DeaDSouL`aptitude why linux-base` shows it's because of linux-image
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21:54.03DeaDSouLbut I've already removed the backported image!!
21:56.10t1m1dCan anyone help? I am using a netinst distro and my laptop does not have an ethernet port. Should I attempt to ignore the needed wifi driver, and complete the netinst install without internet? Will it work fine if I apt-get update and and apt-get upgrade after?
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21:56.38t1m1dI am assuming I can just manually install the firmware after the install using dpkg
21:56.48ksftI have it sorta working now!
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21:57.17ksftstill can't connect to a network, but I installed xfce
21:57.23ksftwith wifi, that is
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21:59.01t1m1dMy main concern here is that the nonfree distro doesn't have my nonfree firmware in it. This broadcom wifi chip isn't exactly uncommon. Am I doing something wrong?
21:59.15t1m1dI really need to get this figured out asap
21:59.25DeaDSouLksft: did you install the firmware?
21:59.42somiajt1m1d: is this the bf-43 chipset?
21:59.47somiajor something like that?
21:59.55jsahsahello, i whant to install on a lenovo thinkpad t500 debian and i don't know what image to choose
22:00.06t1m1dsomiaj: I need brcm/brcmfmac4350-pcie.bin
22:00.20jsahsacan somebody give me some advise
22:00.22jsahsa?
22:00.32somiajt1m1d: yea this is the bf43 or something like that. We are not leagally allowed to distribute the firmware, so debian only provides scripts for you to download and extract it.
22:00.58somiajt1m1d: look at the package firmware-b43-installer
22:01.04t1m1dOh, okay. The wiki gave me a link to download it.
22:01.21t1m1dAlso my laptop doesn't have an ethernet port so I have to get it on a flash drive somehow
22:01.29t1m1dNot running linux on my desktop
22:01.30DeaDSouLt1m1d: `aptitude install firmware-brcm80211`
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22:01.48Mathisenjsahsa, https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/T500
22:01.48t1m1dDeaDSouL: How will that work if I don't have an internet connection on my laptop though?
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22:02.15DeaDSouLt1m1d: don't you have ethernet connection?
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22:02.24somiajt1m1d: oh sorry, this is not the case that you need the scripts. You can just download the .deb and copy it over via a usb drive
22:02.25t1m1dsomiaj: Is this not the proper method? I have those firmware files on my flashdrive but the installer does not recognize it https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Dell_XPS_13_9350
22:02.31jsahsaMathisen: thanks a lot :D
22:02.40t1m1dDeaDSouL: Dell XPS 13 only has ethernet if I buy the $50 USB-C dock
22:02.50Mathisenjsahsa, and you want the amd64 iso
22:02.53t1m1dIt's not thick enough for an ethernet port
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22:04.12DeaDSouLt1m1d: better have usb-to-ethernet adapter.. it might come in handy ;p
22:04.46t1m1dsomiaj: What should the directory of my flash drive look like? It's currently /firmware/lib/brcm/brcmfmac-pcie.bin
22:04.59t1m1dI'm assuming I don't just drop the .deb on there
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22:07.13t1m1dforgot a 4350 in there, whoops. But you get the pictures
22:07.33t1m1dAny suggestions somiaj? Sorry to bother you
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22:09.34DeaDSouLt1m1d: what is your debian version?
22:09.59t1m1dNothing is installed yet, but I'm trying to install stretch
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22:10.12t1m1dIt's what the wiki said to install on my hardware
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22:12.26DeaDSouLt1m1d: here, try to install this 'http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-brcm80211_20160110-1_all.deb'
22:13.12DeaDSouLt1m1d: `dpkg -i firm*brcm8*.deb`
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22:14.03t1m1dDeaDSouL: I am sitting on the graphical install screen where it asks for firmware. I already have that extracted to a fat32 usb drive which is connected to the laptop. Directory on the flash drive is /firmware/lib/brcm/brcmfmac4350-pcie.bin
22:14.37t1m1dThe installer asks if it should try to read the firmware from usb. I hit yes, and every time it just goes back to the same screen where it asks for the firmware
22:14.59t1m1dSame results on the default and nonfree distros
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22:15.29DeaDSouLt1m1d: oh,... it's ok then... you can escape that... and once it's got installed... just download that deb file to a usb stick from another machine.. and install it offline
22:15.51DeaDSouLt1m1d: unless you have downloaded all debian dvds
22:16.42t1m1dDeaDSouL: And that's fine with the netinst distro?
22:17.14t1m1dAfter that I run dpkg with the .deb and then do sudo apt-get update && time sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
22:17.16DeaDSouLt1m1d: well, i don't know... I've tried what I told you with the dvd version
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22:18.03DeaDSouLt1m1d: I can't say anything more, since I've never tried to install from netinst
22:18.33g00seAnd it doesn't have Ethernet?
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22:19.01DeaDSouLt1m1d: but, you can try.. if it didn't work, you can always re-try.. since it's a fresh new installation
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22:23.19g00seIf it _does_ have Ethernet (not requiring firmware) then you'll find it much easier to install it later
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22:24.35ksftDeaDSouL: a package someone here suggested I install was already installed
22:25.05ksftlinux-image-amd64
22:25.55missmbobof course it's installed by default. what you were told to do is upgrade to the jessie-backports version
22:26.14ksft...oh
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22:30.00ksftmissmbob: I added the line to sources.list
22:30.12ksfthow do I get it to use that version of the package?
22:30.22ksftoh, wait, I can't read
22:30.24missmbobi already linked you to the instructions
22:30.46DeaDSouLksft: `aptitude install linux-image-amd64 -t jessie-backports` if you want to install kernel 4.6
22:31.20ksftmissmbob: yeah, I should've read them before asking here
22:32.40ksftokay, installed
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22:33.25DeaDSouLksft: reboot ... then `urname -a`
22:33.30ksftokay
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22:35.38ksftDeaDSouL: what package is urname from?
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22:36.33`Kevinuname
22:36.40DeaDSouLksft: I mean `uname -a`
22:36.44ksftoh, that makes sense
22:37.31ksft4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
22:37.52DeaDSouLksft: there you have it :0
22:37.53DeaDSouL:)
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22:38.03ksftnow how do I get wifi to work?
22:38.27DeaDSouLksft: i thought you wanted the 4.6 kernel!
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22:38.46ksftDeaDSouL: I wanted whatever people here suggested I get to make wifi work
22:38.46DeaDSouLksft: what's your wifi chip
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22:39.21DeaDSouLksft: do you have internet connection ? ethernet?
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22:39.33ksft"BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter", according to lshw
22:39.45ksftit said "*-network UNCLAIMED" before
22:39.54ksftnow it just says "*-network"
22:40.34ksfthaven't used xfce much before--maybe my problem now is that I just don't know how to use it to connect to a wifi network
22:40.48DeaDSouLksft: try: `aptitude install broadcom-sta-dkms`
22:41.04DeaDSouLksft: wait wait
22:41.27DeaDSouLksft: so you don't know if your wifi is being identified or not?
22:41.36ksftvery, very new to Debian
22:41.49DeaDSouLksft: first trye: `ifconfig`  ...  and    `iwconfig` .... do you see it ?
22:41.59DeaDSouLtry*
22:42.04ksft"ifconfig: command not found"
22:42.18DeaDSouLksft: while you're root
22:42.18ksftsame with iwconfig
22:42.24DeaDSouLksft: first, `su`
22:42.30ksftgot it
22:42.44ksftI see eth0 and lo
22:43.03ksftwhat do "if" and "iw" stand for?
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22:43.52DeaDSouLif : interface (i think) ... iw : wireless interfaces (again, i think)
22:43.52g00seifconfig -a
22:44.09DeaDSouLksft: what do you see `iwconfig`
22:44.11ksftyeah, just realized the man pages say that
22:44.30ksft"lo"
22:44.34ksft"no wireless extensions"
22:44.36ksft"eth0"
22:44.36ksft"no wireless extensions"
22:45.01DeaDSouLksft: then try to install that package i told you about
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22:45.34ksftcouldn't find it
22:45.37DeaDSouLksft: `aptitude install broadcom-sta-dkms`
22:45.50ksftyeah, did that
22:45.54ksftmight've set up sources wrong
22:46.27DeaDSouLksft: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in http://paste.debian.net
22:47.35ksftDeaDSouL: http://termbin.com/8687
22:47.45ksfthope it doesn't matter what paste website I use
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22:48.01ksftthe web browser isn't working either
22:49.36g00seHave you got an Internet connection on eth0?
22:49.42DeaDSouLksft: yep... you don't have nonfree
22:49.45ksftg00se: yes
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22:50.17DeaDSouLksft: try this first `cp /etc/apt/sources.list{,.org_bkp}`
22:50.18ksftDeaDSouL: should I add "contrib" and "nonfree" after the second- and third-to-last uncommented, non-blank lines?
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22:50.38DeaDSouLksft: then change the contents of it to this: http://paste.debian.net/799180/
22:51.17DeaDSouLksft: yeah, but you #20 doesn't have it
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22:51.27ksftwhat?
22:51.37DeaDSouLksft: line #20
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22:53.23DeaDSouLksft: once you replace the contents... do `aptitude update` ... then `aptitude install broadcom-sta-dkms`
22:53.44ksftyeah
22:53.46ksftit's working now
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22:54.26DeaDSouLksft: enjoy your debian :)
22:54.39ksftthank you
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22:54.50ksftwait--I still don't know how to actually connect to a network
22:55.17g00seYou're using xfce?
22:55.23ksftg00se: yes
22:55.48DeaDSouLksft: `iwconfig` ... does it show anything ? if not... try to reboot... and check again
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22:56.02ksftdoesn't show anyhting more than before
22:56.04g00sewell you'll see the NetworkManager 'applet'. You should see wifi networks if the wireless nic is up
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22:56.08ksftanything*
22:56.26g00se(and wifi networks exist)
22:56.48ksfthow...do I do that?
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22:57.21g00seProbably better to reboot so that you can be sure the firmware is loaded
22:57.26ksftokay
22:57.36g00seYou did install the firmware?
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22:58.38ksftnow what?
22:59.46g00seIf you installed the firmware and there is a wifi net in range then the NM applet should be showing the wireless APs
22:59.53DeaDSouLksft: what does `iwconfig` say this time?
22:59.58ksfthow do I start the NM applet?
23:00.12ksftDeaDSouL: still just showing "lo" and "eth0"
23:00.26g00seNot good
23:01.17DeaDSouL`dmesg | grep -i firmware`   paste the output
23:01.49ksfthttp://termbin.com/om11
23:03.16DeaDSouLksft: `aptitude install bluez-firmware`
23:03.41ksftDeaDSouL: couldn't find the package
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23:04.59DeaDSouLksft: ksft you have the non-free  in repositores ..right?
23:05.23ksftDeaDSouL: I replaced /etc/apt/sources.list with what you gave me
23:05.34DeaDSouLksft: aptitude update
23:05.37DeaDSouLthen try again
23:05.43ksftwoah
23:05.44DeaDSouLksft: `aptitude install bluez-firmware firmware-realtek`
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23:05.51ksftit looks like it got changed back
23:05.56g00seProbably a good idea to pastebin this as well `lspci -v`
23:05.57DeaDSouLyour nic is realtek .. according to dmesg
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23:06.30g00seYes. Could that be eth0 though
23:07.17DeaDSouLmaybe!
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23:08.04ksftcouldn't find either of those packages
23:08.23DeaDSouLksft: ??
23:08.23ksfthttp://termbin.com/8y73
23:08.32ksftthere's the ouput of lspci -v
23:08.47DeaDSouLethernet
23:08.48ksftoh wait
23:08.54ksftmight've messed up the apt sources again
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23:10.06ksftyup
23:10.27ksftfirmware-realtek already installed
23:10.31ksftjust installed bluez-firmware
23:10.35ksftnow what?
23:10.50g00selspci  -v
23:10.58g00se(pastebin that)
23:11.05ksftg00se: http://termbin.com/f3me
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23:11.10DeaDSouLksft: is 'broadcom-sta-common' installed ?
23:11.59ksftDeaDSouL: now it is
23:12.11DeaDSouL`iwconfig`
23:12.23ksftstill just shows "lo" and "eth0"
23:12.25ksftreboot?
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23:13.26ksftrebooting
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23:14.21g00sesudo dpkg --get-selections | grep broadcom
23:14.23awal1How I can send X application from monitor 1 to monitor 2?
23:14.31ksftg00se: was that to me?
23:14.39g00seYes
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23:15.04ksftbroadcom-sta-common, broadcom-sta-dkms, broadcom-sta-source
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23:15.29ksftI have to go for like 30 minutes
23:15.34DeaDSouLksft: `iwconfig`
23:15.39ksftbe back at 45 minutes after the current hour
23:15.45leba2Hello... Is there a way to see if a gpg key is debian valid? http://downloads.van-belle.nl/samba4/louis-van-belle.gpg-key.asc
23:15.47DeaDSouLand paste the `lsmod`
23:16.20awal1How to find out what happens in the background when draging X window app from monitor 1 to monitor 2? which components of the system are involved in that process?
23:16.21g00seYou haven't got the the wireless hardware 'switch' off by any chance/?
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23:18.16cylincehi folks
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23:19.01RoyKho
23:19.01cylincei have a newbie question
23:19.06RoyK!ask
23:19.06dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:20.35cylinceI'm running Deb5 and trying to run a script using cron jobs. If my script results with a zero count I want to receive an email
23:21.28TheDoorshi
23:21.32RoyKcylince: erm - is that lennie?
23:21.42TheDoorsgot some strange Nickname
23:21.47TheDoorsbut I love Jim
23:21.49cylinceyes
23:22.09RoyKcylince: it's from 2009 - not supported
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23:22.44cylincewhat's not supported - sending an email from a cron job
23:22.54RoyKit's old and dead
23:22.55TheDoorsI got allot but no friends
23:23.27TheDoorsMine doctor told me some stuff
23:23.40TheDoorsasperger
23:24.54TheDoorswhat ever
23:25.17TheDoorsand  before I get Kicked I tell u something
23:25.23TheDoorsI m ashemed!°
23:25.28g00seGot anything on-topic or what?
23:25.39TheDoorsI will do a shit
23:25.58TheDoorsI ma ashamed Linuxworld is that hate each other
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23:26.14TheDoorsU all got some hit on head?
23:26.15erm3ndanot each
23:26.26TheDoorsO love Linux and Debian
23:26.35TheDoorsand I thaight dummy I am
23:26.37cylinceRoyK do you know any other way to receive an alert from deb5
23:26.44TheDoorsLinuy people like each other
23:26.49TheDoorsx
23:27.15TheDoors2 days ago some astreoid fly above earth alittle fast and very closed
23:27.23th0ra troll that can't speak or spell in english
23:27.31TheDoorsif it had hit greetings to dinosaurus
23:27.33erm3ndaTheDoors it's a bot. Let's ignore ...
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23:27.45TheDoorsthor I m native german
23:27.50g00seIf the system is set up correctly, cron output should be mailed by default
23:27.51TheDoorsand
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23:28.02TheDoorsdar kar dar
23:28.08erm3ndaonly if ou add mail at top
23:28.19TheDoorsyes I know admions have to like me
23:28.22erm3ndaMAILTO:my@email.dot
23:28.23TheDoorsNo thanks
23:28.38TheDoorsIm no schleim
23:28.53erm3ndabtw, u can setup a basis sendmail command using " do that || sendmail x "
23:29.00TheDoorsIm grown up alone in some cave with some wolves
23:29.08TheDoors?n  Lol*
23:29.18TheDoorsno that was Romulus and Remulus
23:29.29TheDoorsI hate people wich always messure IQ
23:29.36TheDoorsI love art
23:29.56TheDoorsbut I could maybe programm some  cool funstions
23:30.04TheDoorsc
23:30.44TheDoorsRidesr on the storm for Ian Murdock
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23:31.02TheDoorsU do a lot  very  intelleigent sruff
23:31.04bazhangTheDoors, thats not on topic here
23:31.12TheDoorsbut
23:31.22TheDoorsaslong u aint feel u self
23:31.30TheDoorscode is shit  lol*
23:31.36bazhang#debian-offtopic please TheDoors
23:31.48TheDoorsbazhang sorry - what is the topic?
23:32.13bazhangthis is debian support only TheDoors
23:32.14TheDoorssorry I m a newbie
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23:32.30TheDoorsokay
23:32.45TheDoorssorry Im always that lomesome
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23:34.01Butt3rflyI have no sound
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23:34.09TheDoorssorry
23:34.14TheDoorsand never forget
23:34.21TheDoorsyes sound :-)
23:34.29TheDoorsI never could be a hacker
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23:34.38TheDoorsnot even a social one lol*
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23:34.53TheDoorsMost people I really hate
23:34.56TheDoorsreal
23:35.07TheDoorsthey are so empty
23:35.08polyzenreal talk
23:35.17polyzenalso #debian-offtopic
23:35.31polyzen!whatisontopic
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23:36.29TheDoorsIm very ugly?
23:36.36TheDoorsbut Im a nerd
23:36.51TheDoorsIan
23:36.51g00seSomeone kick the doors please
23:36.57bazhangTheDoors, #debian-offtopic Please
23:37.03TheDoorslets give ehm some lesion
23:37.19TheDoorsPink Floyd I go
23:37.27TheDoorsbazhang help me please
23:37.48bazhangTheDoors, go chat in that channel NOT here
23:37.51TheDoorsIm new
23:38.05polyzen!op
23:38.07polyzen!ops
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23:38.24TheDoorsso who is now the owner and  mentor of debianß
23:38.28TheDoors<PROTECTED>
23:39.03TheDoorsbesides White hats, Black heads and anonymous?
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23:39.19TheDoorsDebian owner Ian Murdock died
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23:39.23cylinceerm3nda, can i add my script to the cron.hourly dir and add | mail -s "msg" my@email.com after the script
23:39.30TheDoorsshortky after he signed wich contract?
23:39.36TheDoorsso no matter
23:39.40erm3ndayes
23:39.41bazhangTheDoors, the ops call was against you
23:39.42cylinceor mail -s to the cron job?
23:39.50TheDoorsI lie besides edith Paif on Century in Paris ..
23:39.57polyzen!ops TheDoors
23:39.57dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: polyzen complains about: TheDoors
23:40.00erm3ndait's easier if you add the MAILTO
23:40.01TheDoorsI know
23:40.14polyzencame in here expecting to get kicked
23:40.18TheDoorsnon wanna hear different sitghts
23:40.23erm3ndabut u can send any command from cron, so, just look for your desired sendmail combination
23:40.23TheDoorsThe wall
23:40.24LoRezTheDoors: enough.
23:40.24cylinceok, but I want to send email for only this job/script
23:40.32cylincenot all jobs...if that makes sense?
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23:40.40erm3ndaif you do | you'll pipe the command
23:40.43TheDoorsif u could see mine face
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23:40.47DeaDSouLcylince: why don't you upgrade your debian? I'm just curious
23:40.50erm3ndaif you use AND it's better
23:41.06erm3ndaDeaDSouL, what's does the upgrade with cron or sendmail?
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23:41.40DeaDSouLerm3nda: nothing.. I'm just wondering why would someone still use unsupported old distro?
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23:41.50erm3ndacylince, i think you can solve your problem by just 2 minute googling session. just search "cron send email" then you're done
23:42.00erm3ndaDeaDSouL, there are people for everything on the world
23:42.21erm3ndai don't know how to say that in english...
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23:42.40DeaDSouLcylince: deb5 isn't secure ..
23:42.49erm3ndadeb5 rocks :-V
23:42.52Butt3rflythat works erm3nda
23:42.57Butt3rflyunlike my sound
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23:43.25erm3ndanow i have the same question. cylince, why don't upgrade
23:43.28erm3ndacylince, get deb6
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23:43.45cylinceupgrade is out of my control
23:43.45erm3ndaButt3rfly, what works?
23:44.06erm3ndacylince, got your keyboard stongly, then hit "im am the bossss" then press enter
23:44.12Butt3rflyyour translation to english
23:44.24erm3ndaButt3rfly, oh, thank you
23:44.25cylincebut, i agree with both of you, upgrading would be best
23:44.50erm3ndaboot without password :-) then upgrade it
23:45.00erm3ndaroot is on your hands
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23:45.27erm3ndamake disk backup first...
23:45.34Butt3rflyI just done a net install and my sound isn't working, can I get some help with that please
23:45.58erm3ndaYes, first be sure your device is loaded or not
23:46.04erm3ndalspci i guess
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23:46.36zykotick9Butt3rfly: step 1 - open a terminal and start "alsamixer" verify there are no MM at the bottom of any of the levels, and verify everything has volume turned up.
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23:47.10zykotick9dpkg: tell Butt3rfly about alsa-checklist
23:47.24g00seAnd what desktop are you using ?
23:47.25ksftDeaDSouL: you still there?
23:47.31Butt3rfly00:07.0 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio (rev a1)
23:47.35Butt3rflyyes it is
23:47.46ksftiwconfig still just lists "lo" and "eth0"
23:47.51erm3ndafollow zykotick9
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23:48.17g00seksft: sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep  firmware
23:48.20ksftg00se: there is no easily-accessible physical switch
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23:48.39erm3ndaif it's a laptop ensure with headphones
23:48.41g00seIs it a laptop?
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23:48.52erm3ndai saw sometimes weird behavior when releasing them
23:48.59ksftg00se, DeaDSouL: lsmod output: http://termbin.com/807y
23:49.01ksftg00se: yes
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23:49.21g00seFunction keys often provide disabling
23:49.40ksftg00se: I don't think so on this one
23:49.51erm3ndaBIOS can also disable pci devices
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23:50.15ksftg00se: http://termbin.com/jt6g
23:50.46g00seaptitude install firmware-brcm80211
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23:51.13ksftg00se: now reboot?
23:51.36g00seYes
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23:53.12ksftg00se: okay, done
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23:53.30ksftiwconfig still just lists those two
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