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| 00:00.47 | Butt3rfly | no it's not a laptop |
| 00:01.06 | Butt3rfly | debian desktop |
| 00:02.08 | g00se | ksft: Might be good to pastebin whole of dmesg |
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| 00:02.56 | ksft | g00se: http://termbin.com/m0al |
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| 00:06.47 | g00se | What's your model - i've never seen a laptop without a wifi off switch |
| 00:06.56 | ksft | it's a Lenovo Y50-70 |
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| 00:10.10 | g00se | Fn -F5 controls the wireless |
| 00:10.46 | ksft | ran iwconfig before and after doing that |
| 00:10.58 | ksft | it doesn't have a light or anything to see when it's on and when it's off |
| 00:11.16 | ksft | no change in the iwconfig output |
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| 00:12.23 | g00se | It's 1 AM here and i'm afraid i have to go. best of luck! |
| 00:12.40 | ksft | thank you for your help so far |
| 00:14.53 | g00se | Toggle the function key and check dmesg each time |
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| 00:15.23 | ksft | g00se: it isn't changing |
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| 00:18.15 | Butt3rfly | ug |
| 00:18.27 | Butt3rfly | where has the root terminal gone? |
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| 00:20.57 | jak2000 | hi all |
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| 00:21.20 | jak2000 | how to detect why my HDD is full? how to know wich files are the more bigest than 500Mb ? |
| 00:21.50 | ksft | jak2000: try running `df -hd 1 ~ | sort -h` |
| 00:22.47 | jak2000 | df: invalid option -- 'd' |
| 00:23.25 | ksft | du* |
| 00:23.33 | ksft | jak2000: `du -hd 1 ~ | sort -h` |
| 00:24.44 | jak2000 | http://pastebin.com/dwzffsJj |
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| 00:25.31 | ksft | well it isn't your home directory taking up your space |
| 00:25.37 | jak2000 | yes |
| 00:25.41 | jak2000 | maybe mysql temp files |
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| 00:26.22 | ksft | run that command on another directory (replace the '~' with the path to it) to see what files and subdirectories there are taking up a lot of space |
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| 00:26.54 | jak2000 | sudo du -hd 1 / | sort -h |
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| 00:29.28 | jak2000 | http://pastebin.com/cCrnuktQ |
| 00:29.33 | jak2000 | see any strange? |
| 00:30.51 | ksft | your only using 8.4 GB |
| 00:30.53 | ksft | that isn't that much |
| 00:31.29 | jak2000 | the hard disk is about 9gb |
| 00:31.35 | jak2000 | i need 1 gb minimum |
| 00:31.47 | ksft | 9 GB? |
| 00:31.51 | ksft | wow, that's small |
| 00:32.00 | ksft | I think that's your problem |
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| 00:33.51 | jak2000 | in /var/log |
| 00:33.54 | jak2000 | exist much space |
| 00:33.58 | jak2000 | tahe 2.2 gb |
| 00:33.59 | jak2000 | of space |
| 00:34.06 | jak2000 | can i delete here something? |
| 00:34.08 | ksft | I don't know enough to help more, unfortunately |
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| 00:38.41 | jak2000 | ksft |
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| 00:38.59 | jak2000 | is possible run some command after the pc or server is rebooted? |
| 00:39.18 | ksft | jak2000: I'm pretty sure that's possible, but I don't know how. |
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| 00:39.39 | jak2000 | oki |
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| 00:39.58 | ksft | I'm mostly here to get help. I just happened to know how to look at which files and directories are taking up a lot of space. |
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| 00:41.32 | Butt3rfly | jak2000: man cron |
| 00:41.54 | jak2000 | yes i know cron |
| 00:41.58 | jak2000 | but i know a hour and minute |
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| 00:43.56 | jak2000 | mmm |
| 00:44.12 | jak2000 | my harddisk is of 80gb why only see 11gb ? |
| 00:45.27 | jak2000 | where is the rest |
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| 00:49.49 | tom99 | does anybody know a way to install the kernel headers? |
| 00:50.02 | tom99 | I tried using apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) and it doesn't work |
| 00:50.12 | tom99 | error messages says a higher version is to be installed |
| 00:50.33 | tom99 | And I dont' want to download 1GB of updates by running apt-get upgrade. |
| 00:50.35 | jak2000 | http://pastebin.com/sMufFK52 |
| 00:51.05 | tom99 | I need this to get virtualbox to work correctly with shared folders |
| 00:54.10 | v3g4n | tom99: what version are you running? stable, testing, sid? |
| 00:54.30 | v3g4n | tom99: and kernel version, pls |
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| 00:55.50 | tom99 | 3.2.0-4 but it says 3.2.81-1 is to be installed |
| 00:55.58 | tom99 | i'm not sure, I think stable? |
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| 00:57.30 | tom99 | my /etc/apt/sources.list has sources listed such as jessie-updates, jessie/updates, wheezy/updates |
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| 00:57.46 | tom99 | one line says testing |
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| 00:58.06 | tom99 | I'm sorry i can't paste any output here |
| 00:58.14 | tom99 | Can't copy/paste from a virtual machine |
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| 00:59.21 | tom99 | I see a download for linux kernel version 3.2.82 on kernel.org so maybe that's the latest one on the server |
| 00:59.47 | tom99 | Anyway I'm about to give up on this |
| 00:59.55 | tom99 | So I thought i'd ask in #debian see if anybody had any ideas |
| 01:00.26 | v3g4n | tom99: don't be mixing repos. did you modify your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 01:00.30 | tom99 | yes |
| 01:00.48 | tom99 | I have no idea what I'm doing though, or why jessie is in there |
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| 01:01.06 | tom99 | I'm running wheezy 7.5 in it I think. |
| 01:01.16 | v3g4n | tom99: if you want to stay with Wheezy, change jessie to wheezy. |
| 01:01.17 | tom99 | Might be easier just to make a new Jessie 8.5 machine and use that |
| 01:01.42 | v3g4n | tom99: I believe that is the reason for 1GB of updates |
| 01:02.24 | biotim | see example sources.list for jessie here https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 01:02.47 | tom99 | hmm same error message when I run apt-get install for linux-headers |
| 01:03.00 | tom99 | I ask for the matching ones to my kernel but it says 3.2.81-1 is to be installed |
| 01:03.07 | tom99 | is there some way to just update the kernel with apt-get? |
| 01:03.16 | v3g4n | tom99: you would be better off using the lastest stable version which is Jessie |
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| 01:03.42 | biotim | did you run apt-get update after changing sources.list ? |
| 01:04.06 | v3g4n | ^ |
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| 01:04.42 | tom99 | yes biotim |
| 01:04.45 | tom99 | same error |
| 01:04.50 | tom99 | it says 3.2.81-1 is "to be installed" |
| 01:04.57 | tom99 | therefore cannot proceed with 3.2.0-4 |
| 01:05.07 | tom99 | Can I just upgrade to 3.2.81-1 somehow? |
| 01:05.19 | tom99 | like maybe apt-get install kernel-headers? |
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| 01:06.26 | v3g4n | tom99: you need to make sure that you install is fully up to date. Wheezy is at 7.11. |
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| 01:07.07 | mrcrowley | hey I had some trouble installing tomcat7 with apt-get, it says some packages are unavailable, where can I find the source for those packages? |
| 01:07.09 | tom99 | hmm it seems to be working now |
| 01:07.12 | tom99 | and I don't want to do that v3g4n |
| 01:07.18 | tom99 | that's like hours of downloading on a slow connection |
| 01:07.27 | tom99 | I removed skype package which had some unmet depencies |
| 01:07.34 | tom99 | maybe skype required 3.2.81-1? |
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| 01:08.02 | v3g4n | tom99: skype shouldn't |
| 01:08.05 | tom99 | It says it can install headers for 3.2.0-4 now and is downloading |
| 01:08.09 | tom99 | only thing i did was dpkg -r skype |
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| 01:08.39 | v3g4n | tom99: well there you go |
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| 01:09.27 | tom99 | eh I guess so |
| 01:09.35 | tom99 | I don't understand package management on debian |
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| 01:10.49 | tom99 | now it's executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 3.2.0-4-486 |
| 01:11.01 | mrcrowley | I found the packages on the debian website, just not sure how to add a source so that apt-get knows where they are |
| 01:11.38 | v3g4n | tom99: when you tried to install skype and left if with unresolved dependencies it needed to be fixed. |
| 01:11.56 | v3g4n | tom99: since you removed it apt was unblocked and able to work again |
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| 01:12.33 | v3g4n | tom99: typically when that happens I use apt-get install -f to resolve |
| 01:12.56 | tom99 | v3g4n: is there a way to show all dependencies of an installed package? It listed 4 dependencies for skype and none were 3.2.81-1 |
| 01:13.05 | tom99 | oh ok |
| 01:13.08 | tom99 | thanks |
| 01:13.24 | tom99 | so i was just guessing, i had no clue if removing skype would do anything |
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| 01:15.34 | v3g4n | tom99: apt-cache showpkg <packagename> |
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| 01:16.32 | v3g4n | mrcrowley: are you on Jessie? I just did a test run and it would have installed |
| 01:17.08 | mrcrowley | yes I am on Jessie |
| 01:17.18 | pingfloyd | mrcrowley: you should probably pastebin your sources.list |
| 01:17.41 | mrcrowley | alright hold on, for some reason only jessie-updates was in there, gonna try it with just jessie |
| 01:17.55 | mrcrowley | damnit |
| 01:17.56 | mrcrowley | that was it |
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| 01:18.08 | pingfloyd | what was? |
| 01:18.26 | mrcrowley | the sources.list only had jessie-updates not jessie |
| 01:19.41 | v3g4n | mrcrowley: I will post them, one sec |
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| 01:19.51 | mrcrowley | I will show what was in the sources.list |
| 01:20.35 | pingfloyd | you have both now? |
| 01:20.49 | pingfloyd | jessie-updates and jessie? |
| 01:21.36 | mrcrowley | yeah after adding jessie it worked fine |
| 01:21.52 | mrcrowley | for some reason copy and paste from the VM isn't working but that was the issue |
| 01:22.07 | mrcrowley | weird it didn't have jessie sources on a fresh install from the disk image |
| 01:22.15 | pingfloyd | http://termbin.com/q56i my sources.list |
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| 01:23.28 | v3g4n | mrcrowley: http://pastebin.com/iS2hgfQ9 |
| 01:23.31 | pingfloyd | mrcrowley: which installer did you run? |
| 01:24.39 | v3g4n | pingfloyd: ey, a fellow backporter. |
| 01:25.01 | v3g4n | pingfloyd: noticed the sid-src enabled in your sources. 8^D |
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| 01:26.15 | mrcrowley | I ran the installer off of debian-8.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 01:26.26 | pingfloyd | mrcrowley: I usually use netinst |
| 01:26.45 | mrcrowley | also totally possible I hosed something up because I left the disc in the drive... |
| 01:26.46 | pingfloyd | mrcrowley: I guess if you have a crappy connection, maybe dvd-1 is the way to go |
| 01:27.45 | pingfloyd | v3g4n: sometimes |
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| 01:29.54 | mrcrowley | alright well thanks for the help guys |
| 01:30.00 | v3g4n | pingfloyd: we do alot of backporting over at MX/Antix |
| 01:30.18 | v3g4n | mrcrowley: you get it figured out and working now? |
| 01:31.39 | mrcrowley | yeah tomcat7 is all installed now! now time to figure out the mysteries of Java |
| 01:31.59 | v3g4n | mrcrowley: haha, have fun |
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| 01:35.45 | mrcrowley | pastebin.com/PnDe6fwP is my sources.list by the way |
| 01:36.00 | mrcrowley | http:pastebin.com/PnDe6fwP |
| 01:36.06 | mrcrowley | http://pastebin.com/PnDe6fwP |
| 01:36.38 | mrcrowley | ohhh seeing the DVD sources it all makes sense now |
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| 01:40.54 | v3g4n | mrcrowley: yep looks like you got them and are good to go |
| 01:43.16 | Butt3rfly | http://pastebin.com/ayGYt6Df |
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| 01:47.05 | pingfloyd | Butt3rfly: what groups are you user in? |
| 01:47.22 | pingfloyd | are you in audio group? |
| 01:47.58 | Butt3rfly | that was as root |
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| 01:49.36 | Butt3rfly | brb |
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| 02:02.37 | climjark | anyone here know about projects that are free software alternatives to skype? |
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| 02:05.57 | tom99 | thanks v3g4n |
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| 02:06.37 | v3g4n | tom99: it was all you ;^) |
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| 02:06.54 | somiaj | climjark: there are various alternatives, partly depends on what features of skype you are wanting. |
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| 02:07.22 | v3g4n | climjark: jitsi |
| 02:07.29 | awal1 | jitsi, ekiga, linphone, basically |
| 02:07.40 | jak2000 | how to install openssh ? |
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| 02:08.01 | somiaj | jak2000: apt-get install ssh will install the server and client, you can also install openssh-server and openssh-client indvidually |
| 02:08.17 | jak2000 | somiaj thanks |
| 02:08.29 | awal1 | a real alternative for skype (all features) is sadly inexistent in gnu/linux v3g4n |
| 02:08.52 | tom99 | lol ok well here's something you can tell me then |
| 02:08.55 | awal1 | also you have "firefox hello" (ifirefox standard release, not esr) |
| 02:09.00 | tom99 | what command do I use to see what user groups my user account is in? |
| 02:09.10 | tom99 | i'm curious because it said virtualbox is creating a special group for this folder |
| 02:09.15 | tom99 | and without it i wouldn't have permissions |
| 02:09.19 | somiaj | tom99: type 'groups' |
| 02:09.52 | awal1 | climjark, i was reffering , not v3g4n :P |
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| 02:10.46 | Butt3rfly | so I've got the speaker test working in alsa, but I still have no sound :/ |
| 02:11.05 | tom99 | thanks! |
| 02:11.14 | awal1 | check that with pavucontrol (+pulseaudio) |
| 02:11.43 | awal1 | + paystray |
| 02:11.51 | awal1 | pasystray |
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| 02:13.00 | somiaj | Butt3rfly: no sound in what program? do you have that program configured to use alsa and/or the correct sound card? |
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| 02:13.14 | somiaj | or if you are using pulseaudio, then check pavucontrol |
| 02:14.01 | Butt3rfly | somiaj: I'm just using the speaker test in sound settings, so pulseaudio |
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| 02:18.04 | x86iac | somiaj: if you means gov eveasdropping as s feature - only skype has that |
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| 02:19.01 | x86iac | climjark: if you means gov eveasdropping as s feature - only skype has that |
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| 02:26.12 | Nicho1as | Hi does anybody know why the output of 'uname -a' denotes two different version strings? : Linux 0-h0 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 02:27.45 | Nicho1as | Is it just a mistake? |
| 02:28.10 | climjark | x86iac: aw dam, nevermind then ;) |
| 02:28.12 | x86iac | isn't the 2nd one where the date of compilation is suppose to be |
| 02:28.19 | climjark | jk, thats what im trying to prevent lol |
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| 02:32.11 | Butt3rfly | woo I have sound, from all 6 speakers, thanks you guys |
| 02:32.42 | Nicho1as | x86iac: I just read the man page of uname and it says : --kernel-name --nodename --kernel-release --kernel-version --machine --processor --hardware-platform --operating-system |
| 02:32.45 | x86iac | climjark: have you looked at phsip? |
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| 02:35.08 | Nicho1as | x86iac: I just figured it out by issuing 'uname --kernel-version' the output was : '#1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02)' |
| 02:35.56 | x86iac | Nicho1as: what does uname -v give it gives my number of compiles and the date ??? |
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| 02:36.10 | x86iac | that is -v |
| 02:36.23 | Nicho1as | yeah -v is --kernel-version |
| 02:37.00 | climjark | i have not, im trying to find info on it |
| 02:37.01 | x86iac | is that in the kernel Makefile? your full version numbers like that |
| 02:37.15 | Nicho1as | the confusing part saying 3.16.0-4-amd64 was --kernel-release |
| 02:37.22 | x86iac | pjsip not phsip |
| 02:37.29 | Butt3rfly | now I just need to adjust the speaker map to swap front center with subwoofer |
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| 02:38.07 | x86iac | Butt3rfly: mplayer has s nice equalizer that can do that |
| 02:38.15 | Nicho1as | x86iac: I don't know; I just installed the default kernel for Debian 8.5.0 |
| 02:38.45 | x86iac | Nicho1as: do uname -a ;) |
| 02:38.51 | Butt3rfly | there's a control in the pulseaudio config too |
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| 02:41.30 | x86iac | and pjsip is cli - you might not like it that way |
| 02:45.23 | pingfloyd | Nicho1as: first numer is the version, the second number is the kernel release |
| 02:45.54 | Nicho1as | pingfloyd: no, that's the opposite |
| 02:46.24 | Nicho1as | 11:37:15 Nicho1as | the confusing part saying 3.16.0-4-amd64 was --kernel-release |
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| 02:48.09 | x86iac | that will be in the Makefile |
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| 03:24.02 | brizz | stuff i tried w/root is denying me permission |
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| 03:24.37 | brizz | ..chattr: Permission denied while trying to stat media |
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| 03:28.47 | johnkeates | fsck |
| 03:28.50 | johnkeates | check dmesg too |
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| 05:50.37 | CtrlC | Any idea anyone? |
| 05:51.14 | MaBunny | CtrlC, whats your question |
| 05:51.24 | tom99 | No idea |
| 05:52.14 | CtrlC | MaBunny, I want to make sure my IP won't leak when using a socks proxy which is based on a debian server. |
| 05:52.31 | MaBunny | idk,ask in ##linux |
| 05:52.59 | tom99 | What's with the ## thing anyway |
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| 05:53.56 | CtrlC | ## means not official |
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| 06:14.41 | ap4lmtree | hi |
| 06:14.56 | ap4lmtree | what program do you use to make a usb bootdisk from debian iso, in windows? |
| 06:15.48 | missmbob | !win32diskimager |
| 06:15.49 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 06:16.49 | ap4lmtree | thanks |
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| 07:06.14 | MaBunny | installing openjdk-8-jdk for debian gives me these errors: http://paste.debian.net/800109/ |
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| 07:07.56 | missmbob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:09.28 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 07:09.59 | jelly | also you may not want to answer "y" when apt tells you packages are not authenticated |
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| 07:11.49 | MaBunny | ill update the package srcs and try reinstalling |
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| 07:23.27 | MaBunny | working now guys |
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| 07:27.18 | MaBunny | jelly how do i export a path to bash? |
| 07:28.00 | MaBunny | i want to add a custom path to bashrc such tht whenever i run the commands present on tht folder,bash runs them |
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| 07:29.30 | bezaban | MaBunny: must it be in .bashrc, or can you use .profile as intended? ;) |
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| 07:29.41 | MaBunny | ok |
| 07:29.43 | HaMsTeRs | Qt: XKEYBOARD extension not present on the X server. |
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| 07:29.59 | bezaban | there's a part in .profile that appends things to PATH |
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| 07:30.18 | MaBunny | ill just need to paste the line "export = /path/to/folder" in bashrc? |
| 07:30.28 | bezaban | well, specifically bin. |
| 07:30.39 | bezaban | no export doesn't work like that |
| 07:30.58 | bezaban | export PATH="$PATH:/path/to/folder" |
| 07:31.05 | bezaban | actually. skip export |
| 07:31.07 | MaBunny | ok |
| 07:31.12 | bezaban | PATH="$PATH:/path/to/folder" |
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| 07:39.07 | tom99 | does path search from front to back or back to front? |
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| 07:46.34 | jelly | tom99: first match. |
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| 07:48.27 | jelly | so if you want to override an existing system path, put the directory containing it at the beginning before the old PATH eg. PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH |
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| 08:10.35 | bumbar_ | are there any tools that show disk usage per process? nmon seems to only show per partition |
| 08:10.55 | bezaban | processes don't really have disk usage |
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| 08:11.45 | bezaban | you can see open files in use by a process at a given time using lsof and then check those files if that information is relevant |
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| 08:12.58 | umbaman | guys I've got a logitech m570 mouse on debian 8 jessie |
| 08:12.58 | bumbar_ | by disk usage i mean i/o, not how much space they're occupying |
| 08:13.04 | umbaman | how can I configure it? |
| 08:13.53 | umbaman | actually I want to set the trackball speed |
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| 08:16.30 | wokko | Hey guys, is debian uefi bootable? |
| 08:16.31 | bezaban | bumbar_: ah right. For io you can try iotpo |
| 08:16.37 | bezaban | iotop |
| 08:16.55 | missmbob | wokko: sure. just not the live cd |
| 08:17.25 | missmbob | wokko: debian doesnt support secure boot, though. so di |
| 08:17.50 | wokko | missmbob: so what do I use to install? dvd iso? |
| 08:18.10 | missmbob | wokko: or netinst. any type *but* live supports uefi |
| 08:18.39 | wokko | missmbob: kool, thank you |
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| 08:27.18 | ByteStorm | guys what package of eclipse should i download to work with java and android? |
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| 08:31.33 | dcpc007 | hi, does anyone have info/doc on how to create a child account on a linux workstation (i'll reinstall my jessie/cinnamon soon) |
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| 08:37.41 | doublehp | in init scripts using start-stop-daemon, should PIDFILE be created by start-stop-daemon or by my service ? |
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| 08:41.38 | g00se1 | Am intending to do a dist-upgrade squeeze->jessie. Wondering if it might be better to 'purge X' before doing that? |
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| 08:42.24 | g00se1 | I would do a fresh install but booting the installer is temporarily tricky |
| 08:46.21 | Drzacek | Hi. Is there a "lite" debian image I can download somewhere? |
| 08:46.47 | missmbob | !netinst |
| 08:46.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 08:47.43 | SynrGy | Drzacek: if you mean minimal desktop, just don't install a desktop, then install the packages you want afterwards |
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| 08:48.23 | SynrGy | however: |
| 08:48.24 | Drzacek | Well, for RPi I have raspbian lite, without gui, just the "essentials" for a system |
| 08:48.26 | SynrGy | !lightweight |
| 08:48.26 | dpkg | <mjg59> To a first approximation, when someone says "Lightweight" what they mean is "I don't understand the problems that the alternative solves". (http://mjg59.livejournal.com/136274.html) |
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| 08:48.48 | Drzacek | okay, let me try again :) |
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| 08:49.24 | isthisreallife | hi |
| 08:49.38 | Drzacek | I have 4gb CF card, I have to squeeze debian (or debian-based) OS there, some of my own software (won't be too big, <50mb) and leave some space for documents (again, 50-100mb will be more than enough) |
| 08:50.01 | missmbob | Drzacek: netinst is about 250M |
| 08:50.03 | isthisreallife | i installed boost https://dpaste.de/rYTq |
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| 08:50.13 | SynrGy | Drzacek: right. use netinst, then just uncheck Desktop when you get to software step |
| 08:50.15 | isthisreallife | but having trouble running program written in c++ |
| 08:50.18 | isthisreallife | error while loading shared libraries: libboost_thread.so.1.50.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:50.21 | isthisreallife | how to fix it? |
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| 08:51.05 | Drzacek | Is there a tool to create image of my OS then, so I can have it as a file and just burn it to another flash card, without installation? |
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| 08:51.46 | missmbob | isthisreallife: why are you doing it manually? boost is in jessie |
| 08:52.01 | isthisreallife | but i need version 1.50 |
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| 08:52.33 | jelly | isthisreallife: where did you get the binary that requires 1.50, and do they have something actually built for debian? |
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| 08:53.31 | isthisreallife | i dont know, its not up to me |
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| 08:53.39 | isthisreallife | just need to know how to install boost 1.50 correctly |
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| 08:54.26 | missmbob | isthisreallife: there is #boost i'm sure they'd know |
| 08:54.29 | Drzacek | was 1.50 in one of the older (debian) versions? |
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| 08:54.55 | Drzacek | you could edit sources to get repos for that version and apt-get 1.50 |
| 08:54.57 | missmbob | Drzacek: no. wheezy had 1.49 and jessie got 1.55 |
| 08:55.02 | jelly | it used to be, not sure whether in a release or just during testing |
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| 08:55.35 | Drzacek | well, boost lib is mostly compatible, why can't you just get 1.61? |
| 08:55.43 | jelly | isthisreallife: then ask the people who need said binary the same question |
| 08:56.03 | jelly | Drzacek: it's not about source-level compatibility |
| 08:56.32 | jelly | they have a prebuilt program binary that someone built with boost1.50 |
| 08:56.45 | Drzacek | https://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost/1.50.0/ |
| 08:57.08 | Drzacek | you can always get it and install manually. I did it twice (on windows), it can be done |
| 08:57.30 | jelly | isthisreallife: pastebin the output of "ldd /path/to/binary/that/fails/to/run" |
| 08:57.57 | SynrGy | Drzacek: that's what they did |
| 08:58.11 | Drzacek | aand? |
| 08:58.14 | SynrGy | see the earlier provided paste |
| 08:58.19 | SynrGy | not paying attention? :) |
| 08:59.01 | Drzacek | not really |
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| 08:59.02 | Drzacek | blam! |
| 08:59.02 | SynrGy | Drzacek: scroll back about 8 minutes |
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| 08:59.12 | jelly | and a zillion netsplit lines |
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| 09:00.17 | isthisreallife | https://dpaste.de/39ta jelly |
| 09:00.21 | Drzacek | Well, it wants 1.50.so lib. Just be brutal, copy the 1.61.so or 1.55 (or whichever version you have) and rename it to 1.50.so |
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| 09:02.17 | Drzacek | So back to my small debian problem. I need the "essential" pack - all the basic bash tools, maybe gcc, networking stuff + X + some minimal gui that could run qt application. How small my OS image could get to be usable (without any extreme tweaks) |
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| 09:02.39 | SynrGy | Drzacek: if you want to uncheck 'standard' it will be even smaller |
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| 09:03.35 | SynrGy | i couldn't say how small. try it and see? |
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| 09:04.19 | Drzacek | I surely will try, just waiting for download to finish (gonna take a while on this connection) |
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| 09:04.35 | SynrGy | Drzacek: i would install a base debian, add xorg, add a small wm & whatever else i need ... size will vary depending on your specific choices. |
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| 09:04.57 | Drzacek | wm? |
| 09:05.03 | SynrGy | window manager |
| 09:05.07 | SynrGy | openbox or the like |
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| 09:05.39 | armin | i have just asked an english native speaking colleague of mine if upgradable or upgradeable is correct ("apt list --upgradeable" vs. "apt list --upgradable") and he told me both are correct... ;) |
| 09:05.59 | SynrGy | Drzacek: beware that without 'standard' you're missing stuff most sys admins would reasonably expect to be installed by default |
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| 09:06.43 | SynrGy | Drzacek: alternatively, you could go ahead and install standard, but afterwards, trim the things you know you don't need |
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| 09:07.40 | jelly | installing just the base system is an interesting exercise for when you have time |
| 09:07.44 | Drzacek | Is there a list what "standard" consist? |
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| 09:07.54 | jelly | !standard |
| 09:07.54 | dpkg | i guess standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 09:08.33 | Drzacek | I don't consider aptitude standard, never used that |
| 09:08.41 | Drzacek | guess it vary from user to user |
| 09:08.48 | SynrGy | saying that it installs 'required' is redundant, i think, as a debootstrap would pull those in anyway |
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| 09:09.22 | SynrGy | i.e. i don't believe if you omit the standard task it will omit any required packages |
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| 09:11.15 | jelly | Drzacek: aptitude is a tool to show the answer to the question you asked |
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| 09:12.04 | jelly | whether it is "standard" itself remains for you to find out after running the command! |
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| 09:12.25 | tom99 | kk |
| 09:14.02 | Drzacek | Looks like I have to just get there and install it and see for myself |
| 09:14.12 | SynrGy | aptitude is in fact optional |
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| 09:14.48 | SynrGy | but this is a moot point. it will answer the question :) |
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| 09:20.53 | jelly | hmm, bsd-mailx still preferred over heirloom-mailx? |
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| 09:24.22 | SynrGy | jelly: transitional package upgrading to s-nail, hmm |
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| 09:25.36 | SynrGy | jelly: but both are priority optional (s-nail and bsd-mailx). i guess which is 'preferred' is a matter of how apt resolves it |
| 09:25.55 | SynrGy | if a package only depends on 'mailx', with no preferred alternative, it will be arbitrary |
| 09:27.06 | jelly | oh jeez, yet another one? |
| 09:27.24 | SynrGy | well, it's a heirloom fork, apparently |
| 09:27.38 | SynrGy | i guess the parent died upstream? |
| 09:27.56 | SynrGy | (did not check bug history / changelogs) |
| 09:29.31 | jelly | for some reason aptitude show ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant gives me bsd-mailx |
| 09:29.47 | SynrGy | different for stable, maybe? |
| 09:30.15 | SynrGy | yeah. priority has been dropped |
| 09:30.25 | jelly | looking forward to heirl^H^H^H^H^Hs-nail then |
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| 09:30.37 | SynrGy | :) |
| 09:30.45 | jelly | whcih I'm going to be mistyping as s-mail forever |
| 09:30.55 | SynrGy | but with no mailx-providing package at priority standard, i guess people no longer get a mailx |
| 09:31.33 | jelly | :'( |
| 09:31.33 | SynrGy | not even mailutils |
| 09:31.40 | SynrGy | they're all 'optional' |
| 09:31.45 | jelly | oh HELL NOT mailutils |
| 09:31.47 | jelly | :-) |
| 09:31.49 | SynrGy | hehe |
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| 09:55.33 | bigterd | any ddrescue fans? i'm in an odd situation. been using a log file from start, but only rescued 3986 out of 3995 Gb, retry 0, and it keeps finishing with 127 errors with 9000Kb of errorsize...wtf!?! |
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| 09:55.52 | bigterd | i've tried all kinds of switches, it won't do anything with the last 10Gb, just the 127 errors... ddrescueviewer shows the 10gb marked as non-tried...but it won't attempt to pull it. am i missing something obvious? |
| 09:56.22 | SynrGy | bigterd: are you outputting to a filesystem that doesn't support files greater than 4TB? |
| 09:56.32 | SynrGy | seems likely given the symptom |
| 09:56.38 | SynrGy | this is not ddrescue's fault |
| 09:56.40 | bigterd | doubtful. mdadm raid5 with ext4 |
| 09:56.52 | bigterd | so i assume not. |
| 09:57.20 | bigterd | ext4 supports over 4gb files, correct? |
| 09:57.30 | SwedeMike | bigterd: yes. |
| 09:57.49 | bigterd | if i up the retry#, it just focuses on those 127 errors.... |
| 09:57.52 | SynrGy | GB or TB? |
| 09:57.56 | SynrGy | i'm confused |
| 09:58.14 | SynrGy | "... but only rescued 3986 out of 3995 Gb" |
| 09:58.21 | SwedeMike | bigterd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Features |
| 09:58.37 | SynrGy | the size is dependent on what blocksize you chose |
| 09:58.44 | bigterd | if i retrim or anything, it just resets the retry count on the 127errors, then finishes. does nothing with the remaining 10Gb. |
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| 09:58.59 | bigterd | i used default's. |
| 09:59.01 | SynrGy | i think |
| 09:59.05 | SwedeMike | bigterd: are you using gddrescue or dd_rescue? One is slightly better than the other. |
| 09:59.10 | bigterd | dd_rescue |
| 09:59.15 | SwedeMike | try gddrescue |
| 09:59.16 | bigterd | erm, sorry, gddrescue |
| 09:59.31 | SwedeMike | ok, I seem to remember that's the one people recommend. |
| 09:59.48 | bigterd | Created by GNU ddrescue version 1.20 |
| 10:00.12 | bigterd | i'm stumped why it won't continue with the 10Gb and it's marked as non-tried. |
| 10:00.31 | bigterd | no kernel or errors, the outputs ends with 'finished' too. |
| 10:01.06 | bigterd | doesn't complaing bout outfile issues (space, etc). |
| 10:01.59 | bigterd | SynrGy, i'm trying to image a 3996gb, almost 4Tb partition, with ddrescue. |
| 10:02.39 | SynrGy | could be decimal vs binary size reporting difference? |
| 10:02.46 | bigterd | i want to make sure i can get all i can get, before i make 2 copies and start fiddling with the file system. |
| 10:02.59 | bigterd | took 6 weeks to get where i'm at. |
| 10:03.00 | SynrGy | it just looks suspiciously like a 4TB limit |
| 10:03.09 | bigterd | hm. |
| 10:03.53 | bigterd | wtf? then why is theres a huge line of untried blocks in ddrescueviewer that says 9.something Gb? |
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| 10:04.02 | bigterd | right in the start of the block maps? |
| 10:04.19 | bigterd | even says pending |
| 10:05.30 | bigterd | ext4 on 4block has 16Tb file limit. |
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| 10:07.02 | bigterd | i hope it's not because i didn't specify 4k sectors instead of default 512 with ddrescue's input...... |
| 10:07.06 | bigterd | :/ |
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| 10:07.50 | SynrGy | bigterd: does the ext4 have 64bit feature enabled? |
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| 10:08.13 | SynrGy | looks like another limiting factor |
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| 10:08.25 | bigterd | SynrGy, tune2fs will answer that? |
| 10:10.27 | SynrGy | i guess? i see some other relevant feature names (huge_file?) |
| 10:10.33 | SynrGy | i'm no expert |
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| 10:11.17 | SynrGy | i don't see '64' in the output for mine |
| 10:11.38 | SynrGy | Filesystem features: has_journal ext_attr resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery extent flex_bg sparse_super large_file huge_file uninit_bg dir_nlink extra_isize |
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| 10:12.56 | SynrGy | bigterd: i'm not even sure if 64bit feature is relevant. seems to have to do with checksums |
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| 10:13.12 | bigterd | filesystem size, doubles the amount of blocks |
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| 10:13.34 | bigterd | 4k 64bit allows for volume size of 64ZiB |
| 10:14.30 | bigterd | https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Disk_Layout |
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| 10:14.58 | bigterd | buuut, this says file size, block maps, 4TiB....for 4k blocks on 32bit volumes... |
| 10:15.02 | bigterd | did i just fuck myself? |
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| 10:17.08 | bigterd | maybe not |
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| 10:26.29 | g00se2 | >>It seems that this computer is configured to boot via EFI .. That installer message has always confused me. I'm installing jessie on an ancient laptop that will know nothing of EFI. What gives and do i answer yes or no? |
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| 10:35.28 | g00se2 | >>It seems that this computer is configured to boot via EFI .. That installer message has always confused me. I'm installing jessie on an ancient laptop that will know nothing of EFI. What gives and do i answer yes or no? |
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| 10:51.38 | jelly | g00se2: if you're reasonbly sure the computer can boot from a MBR-formatted disk and using BIOS method not UEFI, then say no I guess |
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| 10:55.49 | g00se2 | That's what i did ;) Sounds all very odd when EFI not even relevant |
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| 11:00.23 | bjornar_ | Is there a packaging channel |
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| 11:07.38 | SynrGy | bjornar_: yes. #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:10.49 | ewanas | Hi all. Has anyone had any gnutls handshake failed type error while using curl or git or any TLS-based software? |
| 11:11.01 | ewanas | I've been getting these errors from all programs for a week now |
| 11:12.15 | ewanas | The solution for git to work was to compile it with openssl manually, but then I noticed curl is also affected, so I'd rather fix the gnutls dependency instead |
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| 11:48.16 | r3m1 | hello |
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| 11:50.17 | r3m1 | I just need one script to run before the other. the rest can be default |
| 11:50.42 | r3m1 | I tried update-rc.d script1 defaults 10 |
| 11:50.54 | r3m1 | then script2 defaults 20 |
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| 11:51.05 | doublehp | r3m1: scripts are not run from init.d but from rcX.d; the first one should have a lower number |
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| 11:51.34 | doublehp | r3m1: read about linux standard base; you need to use the LSB headers |
| 11:52.00 | doublehp | r3m1: http://pastebin.com/sazNFjqj |
| 11:52.16 | doublehp | r3m1: one must depend from the other |
| 11:52.28 | SynrGy | r3m1: in particular, the old, static way to configure init script ordering is deprecated. debian now uses automatic dependency resolution based on LSB headers. |
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| 11:52.54 | r3m1 | ok |
| 11:53.00 | SynrGy | this allows for, e.g., parallel sequencing where there are no dependencies, for faster boot |
| 11:53.31 | tom99 | I don't understand any of what you said |
| 11:53.35 | tom99 | but it sounds impressive |
| 11:53.52 | doublehp | imlpressive != evolution |
| 11:54.47 | tom99 | So this guide I'm looking at from 2007 is deprecated when it says things like # update-rc.d -f apache2 remove |
| 11:55.01 | r3m1 | doublehp: you are working on TIC reader ? :D |
| 11:55.17 | doublehp | r3m1: depends what you call TIC |
| 11:55.23 | SynrGy | i didn't say update-rc.d was deprecated. i said that static init script ordering is deprecated. |
| 11:55.24 | r3m1 | teleinfo client |
| 11:55.31 | doublehp | r3m1: yes |
| 11:56.09 | r3m1 | doublehp: me aswell |
| 11:56.10 | doublehp | r3m1: there are loads of existing apps, but I have to manage things my own way; I never trust other people; each rPI may have to handle up to 4 meters |
| 11:56.18 | tom99 | SynrGy: hmm makes slightly more sense to me now |
| 11:56.39 | tom99 | I assume this #Default-Start and #Default-Stop lines are the headers you mentioned? |
| 11:57.13 | doublehp | r3m1: I have used the skeleton script; works better than reading LSB tutos |
| 11:57.45 | r3m1 | doublehp: I have used it aswell, at least for script1 , the other is a legacy |
| 11:58.07 | r3m1 | so I have to put the name of the script that should be run first in Required-start field ? |
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| 11:59.15 | doublehp | r3m1: ATM checking the limits of serial buffering; up to 50% CPU used time, I can recover all frames (i simulate with a sleep5 every 10s). After this, I have loss, not due to buffer, but due to DB not accepting too many frames at the same time |
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| 12:01.53 | r3m1 | nice |
| 12:02.16 | r3m1 | did you do the hardware for demodulating the frames ? |
| 12:02.32 | r3m1 | or did you buy existing ? |
| 12:02.32 | doublehp | r3m1: yes; quote my nick |
| 12:04.29 | tom99 | I just finished reading a tutorial about lsb init scripts |
| 12:04.40 | tom99 | and now you've moved on to a different yet just as indecipherable topic |
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| 12:05.57 | tom99 | r3ml: Required-Start is the services that should be started before the current service |
| 12:06.39 | doublehp | r3m1: many schematics available; I need too many to buy them; http://www.magdiblog.fr/gpio/teleinfo-edf-suivi-conso-de-votre-compteur-electrique/ this one did not work for me; I explain why; my opto has poor specs; I had to build the one using a MOS; scope was required to analysing the issue; I give values that work for me. I had to use a very Rin: 800R; and also play with the pullup, and output R, with very fine tuning. |
| 12:07.12 | SynrGy | doublehp, tom99: a very nice topic for #debian-offtopic, btw :) |
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| 12:07.32 | SynrGy | er, r3m1 * |
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| 12:08.27 | tom99 | SynrGy: I have no idea what I'm doing, barely got virtualbox debian guest to share folder with my windows host |
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| 12:12.31 | tom99 | for example |
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| 12:12.55 | tom99 | when I use ps -e to check for the cron process, I see cron has a pid of xyz |
| 12:13.07 | tom99 | but in /var/run where the pid is expected to be listed it says /var/run/crond.pid |
| 12:13.16 | tom99 | not cron.pid, but crond.pid |
| 12:13.22 | tom99 | things like this confuse me |
| 12:13.38 | doublehp | tom99: what are you REALLY looking for ? |
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| 12:14.15 | doublehp | tom99: var run refers to the background daemon, not to the temporaly cession |
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| 12:14.42 | tom99 | so a daemon is not a process? |
| 12:15.02 | tom99 | they have the same pid number |
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| 12:15.40 | SynrGy | tom99: i think the distinction doublehp was trying to make is that for any given cron job (which can run as arbitrary users) the process created to handle that job will be temporary |
| 12:15.58 | SynrGy | crond, on the other hand, manages all those processes. |
| 12:16.11 | SynrGy | does that clarify things at all? like doublehp, i don't understand what you're really trying to solve. |
| 12:16.38 | sumi | hello |
| 12:16.52 | doublehp | tom99: forks and threads are complicated; they can have same name and different PID, or, same PID and different names ... |
| 12:17.53 | doublehp | tom99: you can not rely on either PID, or name in "ps" to know if a daemon is really working; it does the job 99% of the time, then, some day, does not do what you want |
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| 12:32.13 | RichiH | SwedeMike: also, hi |
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| 12:35.33 | tom99 | Thanks Synrgy |
| 12:35.44 | tom99 | doublehp's answer was more confusing and thereby more enlightening |
| 12:36.01 | doublehp | happens |
| 12:36.04 | SynrGy | so you take a mystical view to learning debian? |
| 12:36.20 | SynrGy | suspects tom99 may be a gnostic |
| 12:36.45 | tom99 | Hey I didn't design a system where threads can have the same name and diff PIDs or diff names and the same PIDs |
| 12:37.05 | tom99 | That may be mysticism in some way though. lol. |
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| 12:37.49 | tom99 | To answer your question, I wanted to write my own init script for LSB and see if I could insert it into the rc2.d folder with update-rc.d |
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| 12:40.06 | jaggz | something is setting GREP_OPTIONS when I start a new shell.. how do I find out exactly where that is? |
| 12:40.11 | jaggz | I've already grepped through /etc and /home |
| 12:40.17 | tom99 | Right now I copied and renamed nfs-kernel-server but not sure if I need insserv or not |
| 12:40.17 | jaggz | uhh.. /home/jaggz :) |
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| 12:41.36 | isthisreallife | error while loading shared libraries: libcurlpp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:41.41 | isthisreallife | how to install it? |
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| 12:43.10 | jelly | isthisreallife: pastebin the FULL output of "ldd /path/to/command/that/fails", including the ldd line. |
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| 12:43.19 | jelly | !paste |
| 12:43.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 12:46.12 | isthisreallife | https://dpaste.de/EHBm jelly |
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| 12:47.27 | jelly | isthisreallife: so just that one library is missing. You can hunt for it on packages.debian.org, or ask the bot: |
| 12:47.45 | jim | termbin paste is kinda handy too, it just needs netcat |
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| 12:49.11 | jelly | ./msg judd file libcurlpp.so.0* --arch amd64 |
| 12:49.17 | jelly | /msg judd file libcurlpp.so.0* --arch amd64 |
| 12:49.36 | jelly | isthisreallife: if there's a sane looking result, install that package |
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| 12:50.30 | jelly | there's also a third option to search for files in packages, |
| 12:50.32 | jelly | !apt-file |
| 12:50.32 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 12:58.08 | tom99 | hmm ok I think I get the new V style of scripts |
| 12:58.20 | tom99 | all the scripts providing start|stop|reload commands are in /etc/init.d |
| 12:58.55 | tom99 | The /etc/rc1.d, /etc/rc2.d, etc dirs all have symlinks to those scripts |
| 12:59.18 | tom99 | the numbers and S or K tell the sequence of exectuion and whether to run 'start' or 'stop' |
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| 12:59.43 | jelly | tom99: that's... not actually new, but rather 30-ish years old? |
| 12:59.48 | tom99 | and update-rc.d takes the name of your script and renames the symlinks so order is preserved |
| 13:00.07 | jelly | (it's older than linux!) |
| 13:00.11 | tom99 | lol |
| 13:00.23 | tom99 | so maybe the new part is using the LSB headers at the top then to determine the run order? |
| 13:00.45 | tom99 | E.g. Required-Start and Required-Stop |
| 13:00.51 | jelly | lsb headers to denote dependencies and enable parallelization are a recent addition yes |
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| 13:01.03 | tom99 | well don't know anything |
| 13:01.16 | tom99 | so I'm just learning as I go |
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| 13:01.45 | tom99 | There's also a superuser question about it. |
| 13:02.08 | tom99 | So I should probably use SE in addition to trying to decipher man pages and follow along with random questions in here. :D |
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| 13:03.06 | tom99 | thanks jelly, and I'm out |
| 13:04.36 | jelly | good luck! |
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| 13:07.03 | lazy8 | How do you upgrade to Linux from Windows? |
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| 13:13.01 | jelly | lazy8: you don't, you install linux beside or wipe windows and install linux as the only OS |
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| 13:13.46 | M-alex_mayorga | ¡Hola! Does http://paste.debian.net/801010/ look like a "proper" sid or did I do something wrong? |
| 13:15.06 | jelly | M-alex_mayorga: you can remove security and -updates repos, those make no sense in sid |
| 13:15.15 | jelly | also, |
| 13:15.17 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 13:15.18 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 13:15.31 | M-alex_mayorga | jelly: Thanks on looking. ¡Gracias! |
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| 13:15.41 | jelly | de nada |
| 13:16.30 | MrKeuner | Hello everyone, my workstation is to be upgraded to a new system. To ease the transition, I thought I could copy the list of installed packages on the current system from synaptic and have them installed on the new system. However, old system is Deb7 and the new one Deb8 and I don't want to install unnecessary packages. Is there a way to list only the packages that I asked to be installed? For example, I asked to install appache2 and dpkg |
| 13:16.30 | MrKeuner | installed 15 dependencies, some of which may have changed now in Deb |
| 13:17.06 | M-alex_mayorga | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/801012/ Better? |
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| 13:17.15 | MrKeuner | if I can get only the package names like apache2 but not the dependencies that were installed together with it, that would be awesome |
| 13:17.38 | MrKeuner | am I making sense? :) |
| 13:17.53 | M-alex_mayorga | MrKeuner: Wouldn't the upgrade take care of all this for you? |
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| 13:18.12 | M-alex_mayorga | MrKeuner: Unless you mean the workstation is being replaced. |
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| 13:18.20 | MrKeuner | M-alex_mayorga, latter is the case |
| 13:18.39 | M-alex_mayorga | MrKeuner: Just shwit the hard drive ;-) |
| 13:18.51 | MrKeuner | not under my discretion |
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| 13:19.10 | MrKeuner | though worked perfectly in my home computer for a similar issue |
| 13:19.17 | lazy8 | Does fdisk only use mbr? |
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| 13:19.49 | jelly | MrKeuner: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 13:20.26 | jelly | (yes it makes perfect sense to only install stuff that was manually installed) |
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| 13:21.30 | M-alex_mayorga | MrKeuner: Synaptic then click "Status" and look for "Installed (manually)" |
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| 13:22.17 | M-alex_mayorga | MrKeuner: My translation might be off a bit as this Debian "habla español" =) |
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| 13:23.25 | MrKeuner | jelly, M-alex_mayorga thank you |
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| 13:24.50 | jelly | MrKeuner: you could also clone the complete system, and do an in-place release upgrade wheezy->jessie (7 -> 8) |
| 13:25.32 | MrKeuner | jelly, there is heavy in company configurations, I am worried that an upgrade would break them |
| 13:25.45 | MrKeuner | I'll let them install their Deb8 |
| 13:25.50 | jelly | ah |
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| 13:32.47 | jelly | ,v postfix |
| 13:32.49 | judd | Package: postfix on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.9.6-2; wheezy-backports: 2.11.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.11.3-1; stretch: 3.1.0-5+b1; sid: 3.1.0-5+b1 |
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| 13:35.03 | greycat | My libc5 based Perforce server died. No, that is not a typo. It was libc5. Perforce version so old the museums would not want it. Someone recommend a replacement. It should be something I can understand and implement without needing a graduate level course (i.e. git). Go. |
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| 13:37.08 | jelly | git is the most common option these days, so... maybe git into it? |
| 13:37.16 | greycat | :-/ |
| 13:37.32 | jubo2 | y0 quick question that is not fully Debian-specific |
| 13:37.44 | jubo2 | got a bunch of sites that are hosted on an Apache2.4 now |
| 13:38.05 | jubo2 | do I gain much from going through the trouble when moving the sites to switch from Apache to Nginx |
| 13:38.08 | jubo2 | I've used both |
| 13:38.17 | jubo2 | I know Nginx has less painfull conf syntax |
| 13:38.39 | jubo2 | I use both actually. An Apache and an Nginx |
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| 13:40.10 | ksft | I'm having trouble connecting to wifi. |
| 13:40.23 | ksft | I'm on Debian 8.5. |
| 13:40.46 | ksft | lshw lists my wifi adapter thing, but iwconfig just shows "lo" and "eth0" |
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| 13:42.02 | jelly | ksft: maybe you're missing firmware, what's the "lspci -nn" or "lsusb" line for your wifi card? |
| 13:43.02 | ksft | jelly: Broadcom Corporation BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter |
| 13:43.21 | jelly | that's not the whole line |
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| 13:43.28 | frzr | Hi folks |
| 13:43.29 | missmbob | he's looking for pciid |
| 13:43.37 | greycat | And today's fun fact is: the heirloom-mailx package uses /usr/lib/sendmail instead of /usr/sbin/sendmail. Ask me how I learned this one. |
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| 13:43.52 | frzr | if i want to prepend a command to all bash commands how would i do this? :):) |
| 13:43.53 | jelly | greycat: how old a debian is that |
| 13:44.00 | greycat | wheezy |
| 13:44.03 | ksft | jelly: "08:00.0 Network controller [0280]: " before that |
| 13:44.06 | nkuttler | frzr: sounds like a custom prompt |
| 13:44.19 | nkuttler | frzr: or in a script? what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 13:44.23 | missmbob | ksft: pciid is in this format xxxx:xxxx |
| 13:44.26 | jelly | ksft: you didn't paste EXACTLY the useful info! |
| 13:44.30 | jelly | congrats |
| 13:44.36 | ksft | jelly: " [14e4:43b1] (rev 03" |
| 13:44.39 | ksft | )* |
| 13:44.43 | frzr | for aall commands in the bash shell |
| 13:44.44 | jelly | better. |
| 13:44.47 | frzr | :) |
| 13:44.50 | greycat | Why is it so hard for you to just paste the whole line... |
| 13:45.01 | jelly | judd: pciid 14e4:43b1 |
| 13:45.02 | judd | [14e4:43b1] is 'BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Broadcom Limited' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:43b1 |
| 13:45.08 | jelly | hmm |
| 13:45.13 | ksft | greycat: I don't know how to copy and paste with this terminal |
| 13:45.42 | missmbob | !pastebinit |
| 13:45.42 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 13:46.04 | ksft | thought it would be more convenient for you if I just typed out the one relevant line |
| 13:46.08 | frzr | custom prompt? like change ps1? |
| 13:46.18 | jelly | /lib/modules/4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64/modules.alias:alias pci:v000014E4d000043B1sv*sd*bc*sc*i* bcma |
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| 13:46.26 | ksft | it's whatever xfce's default terminal thing is |
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| 13:46.55 | ksft | the next to lines might be relevant too... |
| 13:46.58 | ksft | two* |
| 13:47.03 | jelly | ksft: try this |
| 13:47.07 | jelly | !jessie-backports |
| 13:47.07 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 13:47.10 | jelly | !bpo kernel |
| 13:47.11 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 13:47.17 | ksft | jelly: I did that already |
| 13:47.27 | ksft | http://termbin.com/w7ga |
| 13:47.37 | ksft | there's the full output from `lspci -nn` |
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| 13:48.12 | jelly | ksft: install the kernel _and_ firmware-brcm80211 from jessie-backports, boot it? |
| 13:49.04 | ksft | kernel was already installed |
| 13:49.11 | ksft | just installed firmware-brcm80211 |
| 13:49.13 | ksft | rebooting... |
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| 13:50.37 | ksft | `iwconfig` still just lists "lo" and "eth0" |
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| 13:51.08 | jelly | was worth a try |
| 13:51.15 | jelly | !BCM4352 |
| 13:51.15 | dpkg | Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the Broadcom BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4313, BCM4321, BCM4322, BCM43224, BCM43225, BCM43227, BCM43228, BCM43142, BCM4331, BCM4352 and BCM4360 chips. To install (amd64 and i386 only), see https://wiki.debian.org/wl . Most of these chips are also supported by the open source <b43> and <brcmsmac> drivers. |
| 13:51.24 | jelly | then try that, I guess |
| 13:51.30 | ksft | I think I also did that already |
| 13:51.57 | ksft | oh, yeah |
| 13:52.00 | ksft | `modprobe wl` didn't work |
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| 13:53.19 | jelly | you'll probably want to "modprobe -r bcma" if it's loaded |
| 13:53.32 | ksft | http://termbin.com/qkbr |
| 13:53.39 | jelly | it seems to try and claim your pci id |
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| 13:53.54 | ksft | okay, ran that |
| 13:53.55 | ksft | no output |
| 13:54.01 | jelly | did it load? |
| 13:54.09 | ksft | I don't know; there was no output |
| 13:54.25 | ksft | how do I check? |
| 13:54.26 | jelly | use "lsmod" to list the kernel modules currently loaded |
| 13:54.53 | jelly | and new dmesg lines may or may not appear during module load and/or removal |
| 13:54.54 | ksft | `lsmod | grep bcma` gives no output |
| 13:54.58 | greycat | Well, building git on HP-UX might be difficult. So this might be one more nail in the coffin of my HP-UX workstation. |
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| 13:55.06 | jelly | ksft: good? |
| 13:55.17 | ksft | doesn't look like it |
| 13:56.16 | jelly | you've now cleaned up the free driver; making wl driver work is the next thing to do |
| 13:56.28 | ksft | oh, modprobe -r *removes* modules |
| 13:56.47 | jelly | make sure it's built properly and it loads properly; details are outside my area of expertise |
| 13:57.01 | jelly | has no clue about "wl" |
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| 13:58.41 | veek | i just discovered debsecan.. |
| 13:58.59 | veek | 62 high urgency, remotely exploitable bugs |
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| 13:59.41 | veek | is there a tool that you can run to find out which apps are most affected |
| 14:00.02 | veek | basically do a ldd and collate the info |
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| 14:00.23 | greycat | Oh, it gets funner and funner... my *Linux* workstation doesn't have a fixed IP address. Am I going to need to get it a fixed address if I want it to act as an NFS server when I initiate a "cp ~wooledg/blah" operation from the production server to pull files from my Linux workstation instead of from my HP-UX workstation? |
| 14:00.38 | ksdfjhvsdfg23948 | my hard drive says this: http://pastebin.com/u7j5RwHR. i googled it and it says hdd is probably toast, but he has being doing this for a while. should i be worried? |
| 14:01.11 | greycat | Or is autofs intelligent enough to look up hostnames in DNS *on the fly* instead of caching an old one for 17 months? |
| 14:01.26 | greycat | I know nfs-server is NOT intelligent enough for this. But I don't know about autofs. |
| 14:02.05 | EmleyMoor | ksdfjhvsdfg23948: I'd say that is probably worth replacing... |
| 14:02.40 | EmleyMoor | greycat: As autofs merely provides a layer on top of nfs-server etc., I doubt it will be that intelligent |
| 14:02.52 | greycat | No, autofs is a client layer, not a server layer. |
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| 14:03.14 | veek | nfs can mount ip's surely.. |
| 14:03.53 | greycat | When my Linux system gets an address from DHCP, it sends a message to my DNS server reporting what its new IP address is. But this may change. |
| 14:04.00 | greycat | Eh, fuck it. I'll request a fixed IP address. |
| 14:04.33 | EmleyMoor | Actually, yes, it works client side... |
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| 14:08.49 | ksft | I'm getting this when I run `modprobe wl`: http://termbin.com/qkbr |
| 14:09.00 | ksft | I'm trying to connect to a wifi network. |
| 14:09.34 | themill | greycat: no idea why your mailx was looking at /usr/lib/sendmail -- there's a giant patch to make it use /usr/sbin/sendmail as per policy |
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| 14:09.52 | greycat | themill: it's wheezy... should I even bother filing a bug? |
| 14:10.28 | themill | oh, meh. |
| 14:10.58 | abrotman | ksft: pastebin the full command, and full output |
| 14:11.03 | themill | it's never going to get fixed as wheezy is on life support at this stage |
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| 14:14.34 | ksft | abrotman: done |
| 14:14.47 | ksft | the full command was `sudo modprobe wl` |
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| 14:17.16 | jelly | greycat: heirloom-mailx in jessie doesn't seem to have any mention of usr/lib anywhere in the package |
| 14:17.35 | jelly | dpkg -L heirloom-mailx |xargs fgrep -a usr/lib |
| 14:17.35 | dpkg | No packages found matching heirloom-mailx |xargs fgrep -a usr/lib |
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| 14:17.55 | greycat | jelly: strings /usr/bin/mailx (on jessie) contains /usr/sbin/sendmail so you are probably correct |
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| 14:18.22 | greycat | strings /usr/bin/mailx on wheezy contains /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 14:18.41 | greycat | In any case, I made the /usr/lib/sendmail symlink and this fixed the issue I had. |
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| 14:18.42 | jelly | in unrelated news, TIL: s-nail replaces heirloom-mailx in stretch |
| 14:19.00 | greycat | there's more than one nail? :-? |
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| 14:20.05 | jelly | greycat: env|grep usr/lib or any other weird greycat-only setting? |
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| 14:20.43 | jelly | I mean /usr/lib/sendmail hasn't been there since... sarge? woody? |
| 14:20.58 | greycat | I'm fairly confident that the "strings /usr/bin/mailx" result means what I believe it means. It was calling /usr/lib/sendmail in wheezy because it's compiled into the program. |
| 14:21.17 | greycat | ebase@ebase-fla:~$ strings /usr/bin/mailx | grep sendmail |
| 14:21.17 | greycat | /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 14:21.51 | jelly | and dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/bin/mailx) says that's a part of some package? |
| 14:21.52 | greycat | And it's fixed in jessie, and (you say) replaced by a different program entirely in stretch. |
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| 14:22.23 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Sep 1 08:32 /etc/alternatives/mailx -> /usr/bin/heirloom-mailx |
| 14:22.26 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Jul 1 2014 /usr/bin/mailx -> /etc/alternatives/mailx |
| 14:25.00 | jelly | can confirm, amd64 wheezy heirloom-mailx 12.5-2+deb7u1 so buggy |
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| 14:26.16 | themill | (and noone noticed in what, 4 years? yay mailx...) |
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| 14:27.34 | sebboh | I'd like to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade a laptop. I got a desktop that has internet. And I got a usb stick with plenty of space. Now what? |
| 14:27.35 | greycat | I only noticed because I hand-installed qmail on this system and skipped the /usr/lib/sendmail symlink, and then failed to notice that I had bsd-mailx installed instead of heirloom-mailx. |
| 14:28.42 | jelly | themill: I was only recently informed that heirloom-mailx is the best and that bsd-mailx is SO out |
| 14:28.42 | greycat | So the cron job that ran mailx -s blahblah -a filename blew up because bsd-mailx can't attach files, and the rest is history. |
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| 14:28.42 | jelly | my attach-heavy jobs used mutt anyway |
| 14:28.42 | jelly | yeah. |
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| 14:29.20 | greycat | It was *so much fun* when my jobs that ran mutt -s blah -a filename all blew up because mutt decided it wanted an extra -- after the filename. |
| 14:29.41 | greycat | I believe that was upon upgrading to wheezy. |
| 14:29.48 | sebboh | jelly: I don't know about the competition, but indeed, I switched to heirloom-mailx after a few minutes of being frustrated that my mailx didn't know how to do things that it knew how to do years prior... :) |
| 14:29.53 | sebboh | The name says it all... |
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| 14:31.28 | ksft | I can't connect to wifi. |
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| 14:31.36 | ksft | I'm on Debian 8.5 |
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| 14:32.29 | ksft | lshw lists the network adapter: http://termbin.com/p04v |
| 14:32.36 | greycat | ksft: If you're going to begin a repeat request, you should at least not start from square zero. Go over what you've already learned so people who just showed up don't have to repeat the whole bloody thing. |
| 14:32.44 | sebboh | 8.5? Is that stretch? |
| 14:32.51 | greycat | that's jessie |
| 14:33.00 | ksft | greycat: okay |
| 14:33.34 | ksft | `modprobe wl` doesn't work: http://termbin.com/qkbr |
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| 14:34.01 | jelly | ksft: did it build at all? |
| 14:34.05 | ksft | I don't knwo |
| 14:34.07 | ksft | know* |
| 14:34.16 | ksft | that's the only output from `sudo modprobe wl` |
| 14:34.17 | sebboh | Maybe edit this: https://www.debian.org/releases/ for 8 vs 8.5 on jesse. Or maybe put 8.x if that's appropriate. I dunno. |
| 14:35.21 | greycat | ksft: did you follow the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/wl ? |
| 14:35.27 | ksft | greycat: yes |
| 14:35.50 | jelly | sebboh: mkes sense, but also there's mention of 8.5 on the jessie link, one click away |
| 14:36.05 | ksft | greycat: It seemed to work until the last command it says to run. |
| 14:36.15 | themill | sebboh: that page says that already |
| 14:36.20 | greycat | ksft: I don't do wireless, but when you installed broadcom-sta-dkms it should have built the wl module for your kernel. |
| 14:36.55 | ksft | greycat: it says broadcom-sta-dkms is installed |
| 14:37.18 | ksft | `dpkg -l` lists it |
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| 14:37.28 | jelly | ksft: do a "dpkg-reconfigure broadcom-sta-dkms" and look at the output |
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| 14:37.54 | jelly | the output at install time would also have shown whether the build from source succeeded or not |
| 14:37.57 | sebboh | That's sudo dpkg-reconfigure ... possibly. |
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| 14:38.18 | sebboh | ksft do you know how to tell if you need sudo on any given command? |
| 14:38.19 | jelly | sebboh: the implication is to run as root |
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| 14:38.26 | sebboh | jelly, of course. |
| 14:38.33 | jelly | whether it be via sudo or not, is less important |
| 14:38.48 | ksft | sebboh: by running it without sudo and seeing if it works? |
| 14:38.50 | sebboh | jelly, just trying to sus out why the previous attempt to follow instructions failed. |
| 14:39.10 | ksft | here's the output from `dpkg-reconfigure broadcom-sta-dkms`: http://paste.debian.net/801177/ |
| 14:39.21 | jelly | sebboh: ksft has already done a hundred little things that only work as root |
| 14:39.31 | jelly | modprobe among others |
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| 14:39.46 | sebboh | ksft: sure, whatever you like. jelly, oh, ok. Whelp, that's good. :) |
| 14:40.00 | ksft | I think I understand what sudo does, at least at a basic level |
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| 14:40.33 | jelly | ksft: lines 32-33 tell you the module was not built for 4.6 kernel that was booted at the time |
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| 14:40.48 | ksft | I do have a question about it that's unrelated to my wifi problem, though: When I run a command that needs root without sudo, it says, for example, "bash: modprobe: command not found" |
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| 14:40.59 | jelly | ksft: to make -dkms sources work, you'll also want to install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 14:41.06 | sebboh | ksft, ok. and of course jelly is right, sudo is just one way to run a process as a user with permissions.. root is just one user with perms, etc. |
| 14:41.13 | greycat | ksft: your $PATH is different from the $PATH that sudo uses |
| 14:41.18 | ksft | greycat: ohh |
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| 14:41.35 | jelly | ksft: then redo the dpkg-reconfigure thing |
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| 14:42.00 | ksft | jelly: installing... |
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| 14:42.17 | jelly | ksft: alternatively, boot the old default 3.16-something kernel as it seems the build of wl module from dkms sources succeeded for that kernel |
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| 14:42.55 | ksft | jelly: looks like it worked this time |
| 14:43.18 | jelly | phew |
| 14:43.19 | ksft | the four warnings at the end are still there |
| 14:43.30 | ksft | should I reboot again? |
| 14:43.36 | jelly | yes |
| 14:43.36 | sebboh | ksft: I always look in my /root/.profile to find the PATH= lines then edit the same file in my /home/sebboh directory to make it match, so that my user account will at least find the programs, and try executing them when I tell it to... Lots of "sbin" programs work fine as a user, especially depending on what options you invoke them with. |
| 14:43.52 | missmbob | you probably need firmware-realtek for the missing warnings |
| 14:44.07 | ksft | missmbob: I have that |
| 14:44.09 | ksft | rebooting... |
| 14:44.16 | jelly | those are not related to the current wl issue |
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| 14:45.15 | ksft | It worked, I think! |
| 14:46.39 | ksft | `iwconfig` lists wlan0 now |
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| 14:48.15 | ksft | now I just have to figure out how to connect to a network |
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| 14:48.36 | missmbob | ksft: you said xfce, right? easiest would be to use network-manager |
| 14:49.30 | ksft | missmbob: "command not found" |
| 14:49.40 | ksft | I installed the package "network-manager", but it's still saying that |
| 14:50.01 | missmbob | ksft: apt-get install network-manager-gnome |
| 14:50.14 | jelly | ksft: nmcli is the CLI for nm :-) |
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| 14:50.40 | ksft | ahh |
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| 14:51.37 | ksft | no GUI? |
| 14:52.09 | missmbob | if you install what i said |
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| 14:52.15 | ksft | I did |
| 14:52.16 | stoned | I hate Xinerama. |
| 14:52.30 | stoned | It even beraks google chrome on 2nd monitor. But without it, I can't stich 3 gpu together. |
| 14:52.45 | stoned | Honestly, linux is good and whatever, but Xorg is ... teh suck. |
| 14:52.47 | missmbob | it's an applet that sits on the panel. might have to restart xfce. not sure |
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| 14:53.11 | stoned | $ xrandr |
| 14:53.13 | stoned | RandR extension missing |
| 14:53.16 | sebboh | ksft: dpkg -L network-manager|grep bin |
| 14:53.18 | stoned | Yay. Kill randr why don't you. |
| 14:53.25 | sebboh | ksft: dpkg -L network-manager-gnome|grep bin |
| 14:53.28 | sebboh | both |
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| 14:53.51 | stoned | Defined 1 screen in xorg per monitor, 6 monitors total. |
| 14:53.56 | missmbob | the latter. and it's nm-applet. should automatically show up on panel |
| 14:53.56 | ksft | okay, I think I got it started |
| 14:54.09 | ksft | how do Ioh! |
| 14:54.12 | ksft | oops |
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| 14:54.14 | ksft | got it! |
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| 14:54.37 | stoned | And then w/o xinerama it simply doesn't work. What doesn't work? It all. |
| 14:54.40 | stoned | 'it all'. |
| 14:54.55 | stoned | I am a sad stoned today. |
| 14:55.42 | stoned | If I turn off xinerama and use randr, it can't detect more than the primary gpu. |
| 14:56.05 | stoned | so randr = only primary gpu works. xinrama, all works, but with problems. But works. |
| 14:56.47 | ksft | wait no it still isn't working |
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| 14:57.56 | ksft | the wifi networks are showing up, but it isn't connecting |
| 14:58.28 | sebboh | At least that's a whole different problem, ksft. |
| 14:58.30 | ksft | `nmcli c` shows the connection |
| 14:58.40 | ksft | sebboh: yes, I love it when I get from one problem to the next |
| 14:58.53 | ksft | (that wasn't meant to be sarcastic) |
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| 14:59.21 | sebboh | ksft: it says that the connection is established? You have an IP? Do other laptops on this wifi get on the internet successfully? |
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| 14:59.56 | ksft | sebboh: I have an IP address because I'm also connected by ethernet |
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| 14:59.59 | ksft | to use IRC |
| 15:00.16 | missmbob | connect your phone to wifi to see if it works |
| 15:00.23 | ksft | it is connected |
| 15:00.29 | ksft | looks like it's working |
| 15:01.03 | ksft | yeah, my phone is definitely connected and working |
| 15:01.45 | sebboh | what does `ip a` say on the laptop? Speifically, for the wifi connection.. Also are you familiar with these terms? IP dns gateway /etc/resolv.conf ping dhcp |
| 15:02.07 | ksft | some of them |
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| 15:02.22 | ksft | "IP", "DNS" sorta, "ping", and "DHPC" sorta |
| 15:03.13 | ksft | I don't know what I'm looking for: http://paste.debian.net/801285/ |
| 15:04.17 | sebboh | When you get connected to the wifi, your laptop sents a dhcp request (assuming that was configured! Since you can connect with ethernet.. it's probably configured). and the router responds to that dhcp request with some information like "hey laptop, your IP should be this and your DNS servers should be that and your default gateway should be the other". |
| 15:04.49 | missmbob | i suppose there's no harm in setting a static ip in network-manager just in case it's some werid dhcp thing |
| 15:04.52 | missmbob | weird* |
| 15:04.58 | ksft | sebboh: I understand most of that. |
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| 15:05.12 | stoned | You should setup static DHCP in your heezy. |
| 15:05.17 | sebboh | ksft your wifi adapter wlan0 doesn't appear to have an IPv4 address assigned to it. |
| 15:05.28 | stoned | MAC address based ip addressing. |
| 15:05.41 | sebboh | stoned, slow down |
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| 15:05.59 | sebboh | stoned, not that I disagree. |
| 15:06.00 | stoned | But I'm not faster. |
| 15:06.06 | stoned | I'm a stoned! |
| 15:06.41 | ksft | okay, I figured out how to change the settings for the network |
| 15:07.08 | sebboh | ksft do `dmesg |less -S` to see if you're getting an error when doing dhcp.. |
| 15:07.11 | sebboh | Oh, ok. |
| 15:07.42 | ksft | sebboh: I don't see anything that looks relevant |
| 15:07.51 | ksft | new things are always added to the end, right? |
| 15:08.07 | missmbob | yes |
| 15:08.24 | ksft | just "eth0: link down" followed by "eth0: link up" a bunch of times from when I was trying to figure out if wifi was really not working |
| 15:08.49 | missmbob | did you try static as suggested? |
| 15:08.52 | ksft | oh, unless these are relevant: |
| 15:08.52 | ksft | [ 299.831299] mce: [Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged |
| 15:08.52 | ksft | [ 352.239545] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 15:09.34 | ksft | in "IPv4 Settings", "Method" is currently "Automatic (DHCP)" |
| 15:09.51 | missmbob | change it for shits and giggles |
| 15:09.56 | ksft | to what? |
| 15:09.59 | ksft | there are five other things? |
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| 15:10.00 | ksft | things* |
| 15:10.36 | missmbob | static. so ip would probably be something like 192.168.0.x and netmask 255.255.255.0 with gw 192.168.0.1 dns 8.8.8.8 |
| 15:10.43 | missmbob | change x to whatever |
| 15:10.52 | ksft | "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only", "Manual", Link-local Only", "Shared to other computers", and "Disabled" |
| 15:10.58 | missmbob | manual |
| 15:11.01 | sebboh | I'll continue on just FYI then... dmesg is a program that spits out a log. You can view the same log elsewhere, but this program is convenient. | is a pipe it connects the output end of the program to the left of itself to the input end of the program to the right of itself... less is the program on the right. Less is a pager. Pagers let you view documents bigger than your screen... by scrolling. The -S lets you scroll left/right in |
| 15:11.01 | sebboh | addition to the standard up/down... (Without -S, anything off to the right (long lines) would be word-wrapped ... which makes logs hard to read.) |
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| 15:11.20 | sebboh | dang I type slow |
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| 15:11.57 | ksft | I know what the pipe and `less` do |
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| 15:12.02 | sebboh | kk |
| 15:12.13 | stoned | I know what the pipe does too! |
| 15:12.15 | ksft | sorta know what `dmesg` did just based on when people have had me show them its output |
| 15:12.27 | stoned | It's the kernel's ring buffer log. |
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| 15:12.37 | ksft | I know what some of those words mean |
| 15:12.37 | meowshwitz | ksft: what wifi card & kernel version |
| 15:12.43 | Eightynine | What is the best way to write Debian image to flash drive? |
| 15:12.46 | sebboh | ksft: I think you and I know the same things about dmesg. :) |
| 15:12.47 | stoned | This is so that logging can be done for debugging purposes |
| 15:12.53 | stoned | Before syslogd has been started. |
| 15:13.03 | meowshwitz | Eightynine: in Debian? dd |
| 15:13.12 | meowshwitz | in winduhs i use rufus |
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| 15:13.13 | ksft | what's "Search domains"? |
| 15:13.17 | missmbob | never rufus |
| 15:13.19 | ksft | should I leave it blank? |
| 15:13.22 | missmbob | !win32diskimager |
| 15:13.23 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 15:13.25 | missmbob | use that |
| 15:13.28 | sebboh | stoned, why is it called a ring? I've never seen it wrap... |
| 15:13.44 | missmbob | !tell Eightynine about rufus |
| 15:13.53 | stoned | sebboh: it's a data structure. |
| 15:13.57 | meowshwitz | !rufus |
| 15:13.57 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 15:14.05 | meowshwitz | oh lol |
| 15:14.10 | Eightynine | I'm going to replace that adware Windows 10 with Debian 8.5 with Gnome. |
| 15:14.10 | stoned | sebboh: have you taken computer science? |
| 15:14.13 | meowshwitz | i didn't know that, it always worked for me |
| 15:14.16 | stoned | data structures and algorithms? |
| 15:14.22 | stoned | (It's been over a decade for me) |
| 15:14.28 | stoned | Ah, just google it. |
| 15:14.38 | Eightynine | I know about Rufus and Rosa Image Writer. |
| 15:14.51 | missmbob | use win32diskimager like the install guide tells you to |
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| 15:14.56 | sebboh | stoned, no but I'm a professional programmer. Since logs are append only... I didn't ever stop to think about what datastructure to use. Hm. |
| 15:15.04 | stoned | You should. |
| 15:15.15 | stoned | Data is based on the structures of memory. |
| 15:15.17 | ksft | data structure? |
| 15:15.22 | Eightynine | Thank you. Is Gnome 3 a good choice? |
| 15:15.23 | ksft | it isn't just a file it appends to? |
| 15:15.33 | stoned | Memory is based on the structures of data. |
| 15:15.38 | missmbob | Eightynine: i'd shoot myself but a lot of people like it |
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| 15:15.42 | stoned | It's... circular. Hence the ring... analogy. |
| 15:15.50 | ksft | okay... |
| 15:15.57 | ksft | what's "Search domains"? |
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| 15:16.04 | missmbob | ksft: you'll get used to him |
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| 15:16.16 | ksft | I left it blank |
| 15:16.20 | ksft | it still isn't connecting |
| 15:17.00 | stoned | sebboh: it's just a circular buffer, nothing intricate |
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| 15:18.15 | stoned | sebboh: how familiar are you with the linux kernel? |
| 15:18.32 | sebboh | stoned, back to the ring buffer... I know how to allocate an array. I know how to traverse it. I know how to run out of space on it, give up, and make a new one. Elsewhere, I know how to take the car of the cdr. And I understand that all that depends on garbage collection, all the allocation and such is still happening, I just can' |
| 15:18.37 | stoned | Secrets of alchemy lie in there. |
| 15:18.39 | sebboh | t see it in some languages. |
| 15:18.40 | stoned | Somewhere. Anyway. |
| 15:19.09 | stoned | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_buffer Read this dude. |
| 15:19.14 | stoned | It's fun stuff. |
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| 15:19.30 | ksft | ...why won't it connect? |
| 15:19.36 | sebboh | The linux kernel is written in C, it's got a scheduler, it's got a facility for loading an unloading modules... |
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| 15:21.24 | sebboh | "Sometimes, overwriting data is what you want" hm, yes. |
| 15:21.33 | meowshwitz | ksft: what wifi card and kernel version? |
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| 15:22.01 | ksft | oh! |
| 15:22.05 | ksft | right, meant to respond to you before |
| 15:22.11 | ksft | Broadcom something |
| 15:22.14 | ksft | BCM4352? |
| 15:22.17 | meowshwitz | oh |
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| 15:22.33 | meowshwitz | one of those cards that need speshul firmware |
| 15:22.38 | ksft | uname -r says "4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64" |
| 15:22.40 | meowshwitz | osfe: lspci |
| 15:22.41 | stoned | sebboh: I have a habit of getting really stoned and reading technical documentation. Well, I used to. Now I read mental stuff. |
| 15:22.42 | meowshwitz | er |
| 15:22.48 | ksft | meowshwitz: it's listing the networks |
| 15:22.51 | ksft | it just won't connect |
| 15:22.58 | stoned | sebboh: deep within the manuals |
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| 15:23.11 | stoned | debian AND linux in general |
| 15:23.22 | stoned | But then I forget things. So I am here. :) |
| 15:23.33 | meowshwitz | ksft: what driver are you using |
| 15:23.41 | ksft | meowshwitz: relevant lspci line: 08:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03) |
| 15:23.49 | ksft | meowshwitz: I'm not sure |
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| 15:24.18 | sebboh | Things I know about the linux kernel, part II: linus was in a computer lab at harvard when he got a tip from somebody that allowed him to handle interrupts or something like that in his little nascent toy kernel... it printed aaaaabbbbaabbbbbbbaaaaaaa ... and switched whenever he hit a key. And when he got to that point.. he was all like... I can make a #$%^#@^ operating system as good as anybody's!! This was on like what, a 468dx or |
| 15:24.18 | sebboh | something?? |
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| 15:24.41 | stoned | Well, I meant in the context of what you were asing. |
| 15:24.48 | jelly | ksft: didn't you just install wl driver from broadcom-sta-dkms? |
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| 15:24.51 | stoned | Not in geenral; linux trivia is not for this channell |
| 15:25.27 | ksft | jelly: yes |
| 15:25.29 | ksft | meowshwitz: that ^ |
| 15:25.40 | sebboh | Oh, I'm in #debian, I thought I was in #linux. |
| 15:25.48 | jelly | !BCM4352 |
| 15:25.48 | dpkg | Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the Broadcom BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4313, BCM4321, BCM4322, BCM43224, BCM43225, BCM43227, BCM43228, BCM43142, BCM4331, BCM4352 and BCM4360 chips. To install (amd64 and i386 only), see https://wiki.debian.org/wl . Most of these chips are also supported by the open source <b43> and <brcmsmac> drivers. |
| 15:25.49 | sebboh | Anyway, back to work. |
| 15:26.02 | sebboh | nice chatting with y'all. |
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| 15:26.36 | murder | I have a small problem which seems to be triggered by rgmanager not waiting the resource completely start in a node before making a check if the service is up, what can I do to avoid this situation? |
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| 15:27.59 | ksft | is it really the drivers? |
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| 15:28.26 | ksft | once I installed the wl driver, it started listing the networks in range |
| 15:28.37 | ksft | I would have thought that meant I have the right driver now |
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| 15:29.46 | Eighynine | I tried to load LiveCD which had been written using image writer but I've got blank screen. I'm using Radeon 6750 |
| 15:30.10 | missmbob | Eighynine: live wouldnt work anyway. doesnt support uefi |
| 15:30.28 | jelly | ksft: dunno, if it finds the networks scanning, then it's just a matter of being able to connect to one? |
| 15:30.35 | Eighynine | I have BIOS, not UEFI. |
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| 15:30.45 | missmbob | Eighynine: with windows 10? didnt think it did bios |
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| 15:31.03 | missmbob | Eighynine: and how exactly did you make the usb? |
| 15:31.25 | stoned | I have bios and windows 10 dual booted w/ stable. |
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| 15:31.42 | ksft | jelly: yeah |
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| 15:31.50 | Eighynine | My PC is pretty old, I built it 4 years ago from hardware in small store. |
| 15:31.54 | stoned | this is a ddr2 old nonuefi board |
| 15:32.04 | stoned | About ... 8 years old. |
| 15:32.08 | choice | Hello! I updated my debian partition and now my encryptet mint system does not show up anymore on startup :( |
| 15:32.19 | stoned | I'm not cheap. I think grampa enouf just rubbed off too much on me over the years |
| 15:32.29 | stoned | now I don't throw away machines. find use for them. |
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| 15:32.47 | missmbob | 15:31 < missmbob> Eighynine: and how exactly did you make the usb? |
| 15:33.04 | stoned | choice: how did you updated the debian partition, what did you do? |
| 15:33.30 | Eighynine | I had flash drive with Ubuntu Gnome 16.04.1. I wrote Debian Live using image writer and then booted it and screen became blank |
| 15:34.08 | choice | Stoned: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 15:34.10 | missmbob | Eighynine: cant do that kind of thing with hybrid images. in ubuntu you do cp debian.iso /dev/sdX (not sdX1) |
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| 15:34.24 | ksft | `nmcli d` says "connecting (getting IP configuration)" |
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| 15:35.40 | Eighynine | No, i mean I had Ubuntu on flash drive and thought that image writer will erase flash and write Debian on it. I did it under Windows. |
| 15:35.51 | choice | Maybe debian set grub to non-uefi and now it cannot see mint anymore? just a wild guess. |
| 15:36.14 | stoned | Well, it's obvious it has something to do with update-grub being run somewhere in there. |
| 15:36.36 | stoned | Why it wouldn't detect the other OS is beyond me. |
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| 15:37.15 | Eighynine | Maybe I should format flash before writing Debian on it? |
| 15:37.44 | stoned | Eighynine: the debian install guide recommends win32diskimager. I don't know an image writer. |
| 15:37.53 | stoned | Eighynine: follow the install guide and you should be alright. |
| 15:37.58 | jelly | Eighynine: nah, no need to. writing the image directly on the whole device ought to be fine |
| 15:38.13 | missmbob | i'd still not use live. it's annoyingly buggy |
| 15:38.16 | Eighynine | Yes, i mean disk imager. Sorry. |
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| 15:38.44 | Eighynine | Thank you guys for support. |
| 15:39.42 | Eighynine | My PC hung I couldn't even restart it. |
| 15:39.44 | choice | stoned: maybe because mint is encrypted? |
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| 15:40.08 | stoned | I have no idea. |
| 15:40.10 | stoned | https://mintguide.org/tools/37-restore-grub-boot-loader-in-linux-mint-after-installation-reinstallation-windows.html |
| 15:40.27 | stoned | Check this and then probably ask the mint people on how to restore their OS after having the boot loader fuck up |
| 15:40.37 | stoned | We don't know how mint works. |
| 15:40.57 | stoned | We can help you with restoring grub stuff in debian. |
| 15:41.01 | stoned | I know how to do that. |
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| 15:42.10 | stoned | And also, the point to figure out is what is debian's update-grub doing or not doing to cause this (so updating debian again would cause this) |
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| 15:42.17 | stoned | This part I dont' knwo but can be figured out here. |
| 15:42.26 | choice | Its not mint related. Its just that debian decided to change the grub config and kick mint out. |
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| 15:42.51 | stoned | Right, can help figure what debian is doing. But how to restore your mint OS, that'd be on them. |
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| 15:43.39 | choice | i wonder if its because of the encyption or because of efi |
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| 15:44.17 | choice | there are two weird efi entries displayed on startup now. |
| 15:44.32 | Eightynine | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent is this correct file to download Debian installer? |
| 15:44.49 | PaulePanter | !dpkg dfind qt5-config |
| 15:44.55 | missmbob | Eightynine: that works. or netinst if you want something smaller |
| 15:45.24 | choice | i wonder why apt-get upgrade overwrites the bootloader in the first place. |
| 15:45.34 | Eightynine | I wanted image with non-free firmware. That's why I downloaded that LiveCD. |
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| 15:46.03 | missmbob | Eightynine: this has firmware. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 15:47.18 | Eightynine | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent can I use this as LiveCD? |
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| 15:47.46 | ksft | oh |
| 15:47.52 | ksft | I just rebooted and it worked |
| 15:47.52 | missmbob | that's not a live cd. thus no "live" in the name |
| 15:48.03 | ksft | thank you, everyone who helped me |
| 15:48.10 | missmbob | Eightynine: if you want firmware and regular installer use the iso i linked you to |
| 15:48.13 | jelly | !win ksft |
| 15:48.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, ksft! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 15:48.35 | ksft | I'll be back soon for help with my graphics card and sound |
| 15:49.21 | jelly | hides, away for the day |
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| 15:50.02 | stoned | I http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/ |
| 15:50.04 | stoned | this looks fun |
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| 15:58.26 | jak2000 | i try: sudo crontab -e |
| 15:58.38 | jak2000 | and typed: @reboot sleep 60 && /usr/scripts.myscript.sh |
| 15:58.45 | jak2000 | but not execute after 1 minute.... |
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| 15:59.39 | kelseykairns | http://www.renegadetribune.com/scott-roberts-heads-win-hillary-tails-lose-trump/ |
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| 16:07.44 | choice | Hello! "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" on my Debian partition kicked out the startup entry for my encrypted mint partition. So I have to figure out what is going on. |
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| 16:08.27 | choice | I guess the first step is to figure out which partition is now set to boot? |
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| 16:11.16 | choice | I wonder if Debian overwrote the GRUB config or if it uses a config from a different partition now. |
| 16:11.20 | choice | Any ideas? |
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| 16:18.26 | jak2000 | every time, every time the network card not boot up, then need run tese commands: sudo ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 then at this moment i have network(ping) |
| 16:18.28 | jak2000 | any advice? |
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| 16:19.04 | noid- | jak2000: what is the configuration for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces ? also, are you using network manager? |
| 16:20.06 | unkmar | Anyone here run LXDE? I set the desktop to show the Applications menu when I right click. I'd like to revert that option to give me the Previous options, like setting my Wallpaper. |
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| 16:24.00 | jak2000 | noid-: http://pastebin.com/4z9WqyhT |
| 16:24.04 | jak2000 | wich is wrong? |
| 16:24.13 | jak2000 | and how toc heck if i have network-manager? |
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| 16:36.49 | bigterd | how can i get pigz to compress a file from one directory to another? |
| 16:37.13 | bigterd | example /mnt/folder1/image /mnt/folder2/image.gzip |
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| 16:37.29 | bigterd | pigz won't work with the path specified, unless i'm doing something wrong |
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| 16:38.33 | EmleyMoor | bigterd: Not sure it can |
| 16:39.03 | bigterd | man. stupid. i have a 4tb hdd image full a zeros, and i need to compress it and send it to another mount point... |
| 16:39.18 | bigterd | so i have to use gzip? which can't use more then 1 core on this 16core box? |
| 16:39.41 | sonion | send it ot another mount point? |
| 16:39.49 | EmleyMoor | I would think gzip is the same... but then again I haven't encountered pigz |
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| 16:40.03 | bigterd | pigz is multicore |
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| 16:40.15 | bigterd | sonion, example ? |
| 16:40.30 | EmleyMoor | I know that much about it |
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| 16:41.39 | EmleyMoor | I would have thought pigz would simply be a "drop in" replacement for gzip |
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| 16:45.38 | Eightynine | I have installed Debian Gnome but can't enable addons and resolution is law. |
| 16:45.52 | mundus2018 | how do I mount something? |
| 16:45.54 | EmleyMoor | bigterd: What exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 16:46.04 | bigterd | bah |
| 16:46.11 | Eightynine | Sorry, I mean low. |
| 16:46.18 | EmleyMoor | mundus2018: Depends what it is... |
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| 16:46.30 | mundus2018 | im in a rescue system currently |
| 16:46.34 | bigterd | pigz --fast -c file > /path/to/headache |
| 16:46.49 | mundus2018 | so im trying to mount my hard drive |
| 16:47.46 | EmleyMoor | mundus2018: Generally, mount /dev/sdXY /mountpoint - where X is the letter, Y the partition number and /mountpoint the directory where you want it to appear |
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| 16:48.05 | mundus2018 | when I try to do that it says its not NTFS |
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| 16:48.23 | EmleyMoor | mundus2018: So, what type is it? |
| 16:48.28 | jhutchins | mundus2018: Is the drive corrupted? |
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| 16:48.37 | jhutchins | mundus2018: Have you checked it? |
| 16:48.39 | mundus2018 | ext* |
| 16:48.44 | mundus2018 | its not an issue with the drive |
| 16:48.54 | EmleyMoor | mount -t ext2... then |
| 16:49.00 | mundus2018 | I need to add a crontab entry to disable the firewall |
| 16:49.06 | mundus2018 | I locked myself out |
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| 16:49.13 | bigterd | wish me luck. pigz'ing a 29Tb file >;) |
| 16:49.26 | Aetheryx2 | hey guys. how can I get alsamixer to use HDMI audio instead of my normal 3.5mm output? it's a laptop with built in speakers |
| 16:49.53 | mundus2018 | says ext2 is wrong, I tried doing ext3 and ext4 |
| 16:50.01 | sonion | mundus2018: what does fdisk -l show it to be |
| 16:50.06 | EmleyMoor | mundus2018: ... and? |
| 16:50.46 | mundus2018 | says just Linux Filesystem |
| 16:51.05 | EmleyMoor | mundus2018: You tried ext3 and ext4 and? |
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| 16:51.21 | mundus2018 | says the same thing |
| 16:51.27 | sonion | mundus2018: and the Id number |
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| 16:51.46 | EmleyMoor | mundus2018: file /dev/sdXY... that might give some clues |
| 16:51.57 | mundus2018 | wait I tried ext4 agian and it worked |
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| 16:52.09 | mundus2018 | must have had something wrong before |
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| 16:52.47 | sonion | EmleyMoor: that won't tell anything but what the dev is (char or block or socket etc) |
| 16:53.08 | mundus2018 | thanks |
| 16:53.50 | kraCoukz | Hey, I wonder what is a good size for a swap partition for a 8Go RAM? |
| 16:53.51 | EmleyMoor | Ah, file -s /dev/sdXY might help |
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| 16:57.51 | jhutchins | kraCoukz: Do you plan to use suspend-to-ram on this system? |
| 16:58.00 | Aetheryx2 | hey guys. how can I get alsamixer to use HDMI audio instead of my normal 3.5mm output? it's a laptop with built in speakers |
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| 16:58.26 | Aetheryx2 | also, is it possible to "lock" debian? like, so you have to log in with a password again but you're where you locked again |
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| 16:58.46 | jhutchins | mundus2018: THe partition label shown by fdisk does not actually define the filesystem. It definitely sounds corrupted. |
| 16:58.55 | EmleyMoor | Aetheryx2: Do you mean to power off and return to same state? |
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| 16:59.05 | mundus2018 | theres nothing wrong with the drive |
| 16:59.05 | jhutchins | mundus2018: Ah, I see you got it mounted. |
| 16:59.19 | mundus2018 | I just messed up firewall rules and locked myself out :3 |
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| 16:59.55 | kraCoukz | Jhutchins: yes that was the plan |
| 17:00.00 | jhutchins | Aetheryx2: Yes, most screensavers have that option. Many desktops accept Ctrl-Alt-L as a lock command. |
| 17:00.02 | Aetheryx2 | EmleyMoor not power off completely, just lock the system so you can't access the PC without logging in with a password |
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| 17:00.25 | EmleyMoor | Aetheryx2: Pretty much a standard feature.... which desktop are you using? |
| 17:00.26 | Aetheryx2 | i'm on LXDE, ctrl-alt-L doesn't do anything :c |
| 17:00.44 | jhutchins | kraCoukz: You will need at least as much swap as ram, sorry, for suspend-to-disk, suspend-to-ram doesn't care. |
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| 17:01.56 | kraCoukz | Ok so it is better that swap partition size fit the RAM size because on the doc their is no restriction on it |
| 17:02.11 | Aetheryx2 | EmleyMoor, I'm on LXDE |
| 17:02.49 | sonion | kraCoukz: what kind of use will this be? kinda hard to run out of ram with 8GB :) |
| 17:03.01 | EmleyMoor | Aetheryx2: I am unable to find any specific advice for Debian... but there will be a way you can make it work |
| 17:03.06 | CuteAlien | I'm on debian stable with KDE. Since a while (mabye some weeks) kmail started creating new folders. Like a new "Inbox" although I already have a "inbox" since ages (lower letter start). Clicking them gives me a popup "Resource Kmail folders is broken". But deleting them they are created again (not used for inbox btw). Also I got suddenly the main folders "KMail Folders" and "Local Folders" - one just being a copy of the o |
| 17:03.06 | CuteAlien | ther. |
| 17:03.14 | CuteAlien | Anyone got a clue what could be going on? |
| 17:03.38 | Aetheryx2 | EmleyMoor, aw, thanks for your time though |
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| 17:04.00 | EmleyMoor | Maybe someone else knows... |
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| 17:05.01 | sonion | EmleyMoor: what is else suppose to know? |
| 17:05.29 | Aetheryx2 | sonion, how do I lock my laptop in LXDE/Debian |
| 17:05.31 | EmleyMoor | sonion: How to enable a screen lock in LXDE. |
| 17:05.38 | Aetheryx2 | ctrl alt l doesn' work |
| 17:06.25 | sonion | Aetheryx2: meet EmleyMoor |
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| 17:06.32 | sonion | EmleyMoor: meet Aetheryx2 |
| 17:06.41 | sonion | i use fluxbox sorry |
| 17:06.42 | Aetheryx2 | sonion, ? |
| 17:07.02 | sonion | don't you realize you both have same question? |
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| 17:07.08 | EmleyMoor | sonion: I do *not* know, and Aetheryx2 wants to. Us meeting is irrelevant |
| 17:07.21 | Aetheryx2 | sonion I have that question, she tried helping me |
| 17:07.27 | EmleyMoor | I do not need to know, either. I use Gnome |
| 17:08.02 | EmleyMoor | (pronoun error but that's OK) |
| 17:08.20 | sonion | EmleyMoor: still gonna have to charge you .. you posted it as a question and the billing computer took that as a new ticket |
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| 17:08.36 | sonion | Aetheryx2: is she really a she? |
| 17:08.37 | jhutchins | Aetheryx2: Gee, if only there were a way to search the internet to see if there was any documentation, or if anybody else had this problem. |
| 17:08.41 | jhutchins | Aetheryx2: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LXDE#Screen_locking |
| 17:09.08 | sonion | jhutchins: you ask to for to much - it makes my head spin ;_ |
| 17:09.11 | EmleyMoor | You can try looking at that but Debian may differ. |
| 17:09.12 | Aetheryx2 | Aetheryx2, she, he, whatever.. it? |
| 17:09.24 | Aetheryx2 | thanks jhutchins |
| 17:09.34 | sonion | Aetheryx2: it matters ... i would help her more then he .. ;) |
| 17:09.49 | EmleyMoor | will please emself |
| 17:10.29 | Senki | oi vay |
| 17:10.31 | Aetheryx2 | sonion, why are you asking me then? I don't know what he/she is, ask her/him yourself |
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| 17:10.56 | Senki | would your guys brains melt if I said I was female too? |
| 17:11.11 | sonion | sorry i'm just ornery cause using lzma to compress somedata is taking way to long |
| 17:11.13 | Aetheryx2 | also EmleyMoor that link says LXDE doesn't have an actual lock screen |
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| 17:11.55 | rafalcpp | when running deboostrap can I set some env variable or something other to tell deboostrap to look in other directory for the scripts? |
| 17:11.56 | EmleyMoor | Aetheryx2: It's not a built-in feature. There are ways to use xscreensaver to do it but I cannot find a Debian-specific reference to doing so |
| 17:12.05 | Aetheryx2 | EmleyMoor I see |
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| 17:12.45 | sonion | Senki: two females in the channel ... that is a record ;) |
| 17:12.51 | Senki | yikes |
| 17:12.56 | Senki | that's kind of sad :( |
| 17:13.05 | sonion | no kidding |
| 17:13.38 | Senki | i need to get a zip drive to work with a distribution more unless my jump drive can run it without any interference from the other files on it |
| 17:14.00 | Senki | i need to finishing downloading a distribution anyway |
| 17:14.22 | sonion | Senki: first can you mount the zip drive okay with full read/write? |
| 17:14.23 | Senki | i've worked with debian before and like it. got it up and running with some help and a point in the right direction |
| 17:14.40 | Senki | want to work with kalo this time. downloading an image |
| 17:14.57 | EmleyMoor | It used to be said that you could teach a chicken to install Debian |
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| 17:15.07 | Senki | yeah, I'd prefer to mount/run it from a zip drive and not my external |
| 17:15.19 | sonion | all the chickens i know have moved on to arch |
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| 17:15.29 | Senki | haha well this chicken was able to and learned with remote tutoring |
| 17:15.45 | Senki | had to wipe the device I was putting it on, take a screw out, etc |
| 17:16.00 | Senki | i'm looking into kali |
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| 17:16.05 | Senki | at the moment |
| 17:16.25 | EmleyMoor | Just over 17 years since I installed Debian for the first time |
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| 17:17.23 | Aetheryx2 | hey guys. how can I get alsamixer to use HDMI audio instead of my normal 3.5mm output? it's a laptop with built in speakers |
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| 17:18.54 | `ajven | Hi guys, how i can mount USB drive full access for user ? |
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| 17:20.46 | sonion | EmleyMoor: can you help me break some enigma codes? |
| 17:21.13 | sonion | `ajven: for just one user or all users |
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| 17:21.58 | `ajven | just for one user |
| 17:22.06 | `ajven | or for all w/e ;) |
| 17:22.21 | sonion | make a group with just that user |
| 17:23.15 | sonion | and chown root.group_name /dev/sdX# |
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| 17:25.12 | sonion | and then in /etc/fstab put the /dev/sdX# /mount_point auto noauto,exec,sync,users 0 0 and let me know what happens |
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| 17:26.03 | sonion | have user test with mount /mount_point after (mkdir /mount_point) |
| 17:26.25 | sonion | and fdisk -l /dev/sd# to make sure partition exists |
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| 17:30.44 | sonion | EmleyMoor: wasn't that the encryption used when you first started using debian? |
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| 17:48.05 | jhutchins | I think I still have a link to installing Debian on a dead possum. |
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| 17:49.02 | ozupa | hey there |
| 17:49.02 | ntzor | hello, no matter what I am trying to install or remove, I get this: http://pastebin.com/1KesUyQi |
| 17:49.30 | ozupa | Do you know how this tool that makes OS configuration mobile was called? |
| 17:49.51 | ozupa | Like I can install the tool, configure my environment and then use it to export the settings |
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| 17:50.49 | missmbob | ntzor: stretch? |
| 17:50.55 | ntzor | missmbob: what ? |
| 17:51.12 | ntzor | missmbob: no I am not on stretch |
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| 17:51.38 | jhutchins | ntzor: What is that error telling you? |
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| 17:51.48 | ntzor | jhutchins: I pasted the er ror |
| 17:52.00 | missmbob | ntzor: lots of people cant use pastebin.com |
| 17:52.13 | missmbob | ntzor: we suggest paste.debian.net |
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| 17:52.17 | ntzor | missmbob: oh ok hold on |
| 17:52.18 | jhutchins | ntzor: Yes, what do you think it's tryinig to tell you? |
| 17:52.51 | ntzor | jhutchins: dpkg: error processing package mongodb-10gen (--remove): subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 102 |
| 17:52.53 | ntzor | dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 102 |
| 17:52.54 | dpkg | ntzor: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:52.56 | ntzor | Errors were encountered while processing: mongodb-10gen |
| 17:52.57 | ntzor | I am SORRY |
| 17:53.00 | ntzor | I accidentally pasted it here |
| 17:53.43 | jhutchins | ntzor: Where were the errors encountered? |
| 17:53.56 | ntzor | jhutchins: after I am trying to remove or install something |
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| 17:54.05 | jhutchins | ntzor: THe pre-removal script. |
| 17:54.20 | jhutchins | ntzor: So basically you need to fix that script. |
| 17:54.26 | sonion | ntzor: egg/chicken reinstall apt-get/dkpg with yast? |
| 17:54.29 | ntzor | I don't care about that script I just wan't to remove the problem |
| 17:54.36 | jhutchins | ntzor: I don't know if re-installing the package will succeed, it might be worth a try. |
| 17:54.55 | jhutchins | ntzor: You don't care about the script, but dpkg does, and dpkg isn't goint anywhere until it's fixed. |
| 17:55.13 | jhutchins | ntzor: I don't know if you can tel dpkg not to try to uninstall it or not. |
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| 17:55.27 | jhutchins | ntzor: I think maybe dselect can do that. |
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| 17:57.12 | sonion | jhutchins: can you try an update to possum2.0? |
| 17:58.00 | sonion | 2.0 has usb and vga |
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| 17:59.30 | jhutchins | ntzor: One option would be to find the pre-removal script and see what it does, maybe run it and see what the error is. |
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| 18:14.54 | sonion | and the /lib/modules/ ones also ;) |
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| 19:47.12 | tom99 | What's gonna happen if I set /etc/inittab to say id:0:initdefault ? |
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| 19:50.11 | tom99 | hi foocraft |
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| 19:54.47 | tom99 | wow |
| 19:54.54 | tom99 | I didn't really think that would work |
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| 19:55.24 | tom99 | But when you set initdefault to 0 in /etc/inittab then the system really does just shutdown after starting up |
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| 19:57.08 | Eightynine | Will enabling backports affect stability? |
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| 19:59.11 | greycat | Not by itself, no. You would have to actually install some. |
| 19:59.56 | tom99 | oh hey greycat |
| 20:00.30 | tom99 | I just learned you can manually tell grub and linux what runlevel to use and ignore what's in /etc/inittab |
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| 20:01.09 | greycat | Yes, kernel parameter overrides the default in the file. Of course this is all sysvinit stuff (wheezy, or customized jessie) and will not work in jessie/systemd. |
| 20:01.25 | Eightynine | The kernel is pretty old and reached end of life. It should be at least 3.16.19 |
| 20:01.52 | tom99 | w-w-what? |
| 20:02.20 | tom99 | linux wand of solid penguin feathers droops a bit |
| 20:02.33 | greycat | Debian backports security fixes to its kernels. Usually. We're still waiting on this tcp_challenge_ack_limit one. |
| 20:02.55 | greycat | So even if Debian's uname -r says x.y.z that doesn't mean it's identical to an upstream x.y.z. |
| 20:03.21 | Eightynine | 3.16.7 is installed and 3.16.37 is listed as longterm |
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| 20:03.42 | greycat | Again, the displayed version string is not a total indicator of features and fixes. |
| 20:04.08 | sonion | greycat: why isn't it? |
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| 20:04.20 | greycat | 16:02 greycat> Debian backports security fixes to its kernels. Usually. |
| 20:04.26 | greycat | 16:02 greycat> So even if Debian's uname -r says x.y.z that doesn't mean it's identical to an upstream x.y.z. |
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| 20:04.50 | diego__ | hello after last update (on osmc, debian jessie derived) I have package libc-bin in halF-configured state; output of apt-get update is here https://nopaste.me/view/2c080410 and output of dpkg --configure -a is herehttps://nopaste.me/view/94371bc6 how can i fix it? |
| 20:06.03 | Eightynine | And what about fonts? I selected Slight and Rgba and fonts are bad on some sites and menus and small in Gnome menu. |
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| 20:12.06 | sonion | Eightynine: what about trying palida narrow |
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| 20:14.06 | Eightynine | Usually I'm using Ubuntu fonts. I don't know such font as you said but I didn't change fonts yet, I'm using Cantarell |
| 20:15.30 | diego__ | hello how I could deal with the problem of half configured libc-bin package? |
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| 20:17.54 | sonion | cantarell ? it is one step better then wing dings .. google palida narrow - it is good |
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| 20:18.21 | sonion | libc is to important to leave haflel configured |
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| 20:27.45 | mundus2018 | where is iptables? its not in /etc/sysconfig/iptables |
| 20:27.59 | arha | the config file? |
| 20:28.17 | arha | you want iptables-apply and iptables-save |
| 20:28.17 | mundus2018 | yeah |
| 20:28.27 | mundus2018 | I locked myself out of the system |
| 20:28.35 | arha | hah |
| 20:28.36 | mundus2018 | I need to revert the changes I made |
| 20:28.46 | arha | that's when lights out management systems come in handy |
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| 20:28.53 | mundus2018 | am I fucked |
| 20:29.21 | arha | can you jsut reboot? |
| 20:29.27 | mundus2018 | no |
| 20:29.45 | arha | if you don't have a boot command to reload a file, they would just not be applied after boot |
| 20:29.57 | arha | is the machine headless? |
| 20:30.01 | mundus2018 | yes |
| 20:30.20 | mundus2018 | Ive tried making crontab entries to disable the firewall |
| 20:30.27 | arha | you can still reach it? |
| 20:30.31 | arha | how did oyu make those? |
| 20:30.40 | mundus2018 | I can boot to a rescue system |
| 20:30.46 | greycat | There isn't a firewall by default. There is only a persistent firewall if you did something to create one, and we have no idea what you did. |
| 20:30.54 | mundus2018 | and mount the harddrive |
| 20:31.00 | arha | well |
| 20:31.03 | mundus2018 | Hmm maybe Its something else |
| 20:31.08 | arha | you said no booting |
| 20:31.17 | arha | it seemed like it was in a datancenter or something :P |
| 20:31.26 | mundus2018 | I just ment it doesnt work |
| 20:31.27 | mundus2018 | it is |
| 20:31.37 | arha | this one time |
| 20:31.41 | arha | i locked myself out of my system |
| 20:31.47 | arha | rmmod usb-hid |
| 20:31.52 | arha | was using a usb keyboard |
| 20:32.02 | mundus2018 | nah its a server in a dc |
| 20:32.18 | arha | well |
| 20:32.26 | mundus2018 | When this happened I was setting up openvpn |
| 20:32.36 | arha | iptables is not persistent if you don't do ptables-restore < /some/file at boot |
| 20:32.50 | mundus2018 | ok so its something else |
| 20:32.51 | arha | so a simple reboot should work |
| 20:33.07 | mundus2018 | yeah ive rebooted a bunch |
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| 20:33.29 | mundus2018 | and when it happened my active ssh session wasnt terminated |
| 20:33.31 | abrotman | judd: versions iptables-persistent |
| 20:33.32 | judd | Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; sid: 1.0.4 |
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| 20:33.59 | arha | what did you do? |
| 20:34.07 | arha | my crystal globe is out of batteries for the moment |
| 20:34.17 | mundus2018 | I was following a guide on hope to install openvpn |
| 20:34.40 | arha | what command did you run when that happened? |
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| 20:35.05 | mundus2018 | im not positive exactly which one |
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| 20:35.19 | mundus2018 | sec |
| 20:35.23 | RoyK | mundus2018: /etc/sysconfig/iptables is a redhat thing - just use ufw |
| 20:35.35 | mundus2018 | oh ok |
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| 20:35.56 | jelly | ufw? just use iptables-persistent |
| 20:36.08 | RoyK | prefers ufw for most things |
| 20:36.16 | greycat | well, the important question here is not which he SHOULD use, but which he DID use |
| 20:36.27 | RoyK | easily administered although it lacks easy setup of NAT etc |
| 20:36.28 | mundus2018 | I did |
| 20:36.30 | mundus2018 | sudo ufw allow 1194/udp |
| 20:36.39 | mundus2018 | and disable and enable |
| 20:36.41 | RoyK | should work |
| 20:36.46 | RoyK | ufw allow 22/tcp |
| 20:36.47 | RoyK | first |
| 20:36.57 | ryouma | ufw seems like a good firewall. arno is also a good firewall. |
| 20:36.58 | jelly | greycat, that implies we're trying to solve mundus' issue instead of running off a tangent that interests noone |
| 20:37.06 | greycat | Oh, silly me. |
| 20:37.11 | mundus2018 | I also did DEFAULT_FORWARD_POLICY="ACCEPT" in /etc/default/ufw |
| 20:37.21 | arha | ufw and iptables share the same, uh.. space so to say? |
| 20:37.31 | RoyK | arha: ufw is an iptables wrapper |
| 20:37.37 | arha | like writing one rule there and disabling it in ufw? |
| 20:37.40 | arha | cool |
| 20:37.41 | arha | i had no idea |
| 20:37.42 | ryouma | everything uses iptables |
| 20:37.49 | mundus2018 | maybe if I change that to drop it will fix it? |
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| 20:37.52 | ryouma | (in linux) |
| 20:37.54 | jelly | except stuff that uses nftables |
| 20:37.55 | RoyK | (or nftables) |
| 20:38.09 | ryouma | oh, don't pay any attention to me then |
| 20:38.14 | ryouma | looks up nftables) |
| 20:38.33 | mundus2018 | think that might work? |
| 20:38.49 | RoyK | mundus2018: ufw will do the job |
| 20:39.04 | mundus2018 | idk what you mean |
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| 20:39.40 | RoyK | mundus2018: what sort of firewall do you need? just block all ports except a few, or do fancy NAT stuff or mangeling? |
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| 20:39.58 | mundus2018 | I dont really want a firewall |
| 20:40.09 | jelly | mundus2018, if you suspect the firewall, first figure out which firewall you installed and set up |
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| 20:40.15 | jelly | there isn't one by default |
| 20:40.37 | RoyK | mundus2018: you want a firewall in case something happens |
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| 20:40.50 | jelly | RoyK, something did happen. |
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| 20:40.54 | jelly | he got locked out. |
| 20:40.56 | mundus2018 | Right now I just want to get into my system |
| 20:41.31 | jelly | mundus2018, were you able to ping the system at all? |
| 20:41.58 | mundus2018 | I can ping it fine |
| 20:42.00 | RoyK | ufw enable ; logout ; mohaha - no access anymore |
| 20:42.21 | jelly | mundus2018, but you can't log in, or what? |
| 20:42.25 | mundus2018 | correct |
| 20:42.27 | RoyK | mundus2018: if ssh isn't allowed, you may want to talk to someone onsite |
| 20:42.46 | mundus2018 | https://i.gyazo.com/bb2765257354a9a58e7607f6b031d455.png |
| 20:42.49 | mundus2018 | I did that too |
| 20:42.54 | mundus2018 | make I should revert it |
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| 20:43.38 | jelly | mundus2018, pastebin the output of "dpkg -l iptables\*" (assuming you've mounted and chrooted into the system) |
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| 20:43.55 | mundus2018 | how do I chroot into it |
| 20:44.12 | jelly | "chroot /where/you/mounted/root-fs" |
| 20:44.13 | mundus2018 | can I acctually run commands like that? |
| 20:44.35 | jelly | like what? |
| 20:44.43 | mundus2018 | with chroot |
| 20:44.50 | jelly | yes. |
| 20:44.52 | RoyK | jelly: I think he has a wee problem if he's locked out |
| 20:45.10 | jelly | RoyK, that's why he's asking how to fix it here. |
| 20:45.41 | jelly | people that come in here usually have some sort of a problem, almost noone just comes in to say hi |
| 20:45.51 | mundus2018 | 1.6.0-2 |
| 20:45.56 | abrotman | Hi |
| 20:46.07 | jelly | mundus2018, pastebin the WHOLE output |
| 20:46.15 | jelly | !paste |
| 20:46.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:46.18 | drizzt__ | hi |
| 20:46.20 | drizzt__ | :p |
| 20:46.30 | jelly | too little, too late |
| 20:46.49 | mundus2018 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:47.18 | jelly | mundus2018, that does not look like a Debian installation |
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| 20:48.07 | mundus2018 | yeah its ubuntu but this is the only place I can find help :/ |
| 20:48.28 | jelly | mundus2018, nevertheless, before going to ask in the right channel, #ubuntu or ##linux, you can use a stupid test to see if there's an iptables wrapper package, "apt-get -s remove iptables" |
| 20:48.38 | jelly | go ask in #ubuntu, or ##Linux |
| 20:48.48 | jelly | or replicate the same issue in actual Debian |
| 20:49.03 | mundus2018 | Ive been trying to ask there since I woke up but nobody is willing to help |
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| 20:49.56 | RoyK | mundus2018: are you able to get into your server? |
| 20:50.04 | jelly | I won't help non-Debian users in here, use a more appropriate channel please |
| 20:50.06 | mundus2018 | I can mount it |
| 20:50.31 | mundus2018 | can someone help me in #ubuntu |
| 20:50.39 | RoyK | mundus2018: try #ubuntu-server |
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| 20:51.29 | mundus2018 | thanks |
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| 20:55.12 | tom99 | wikisend? |
| 20:55.22 | tom99 | pastebinit? |
| 20:55.27 | tom99 | what are these foreign words you speak |
| 20:55.34 | Dynamexia | hey guys. having issues with getting HDMI and 3.5mm headphone jack working together(not at the same time). I'd like to be able to switch between them when I want to but I'm having some really weird issues. |
| 20:55.38 | Dynamexia | http://pastebin.com/un5UVwid might help. |
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| 20:56.59 | tom99 | hmm so to find out what pastebinit is |
| 20:57.08 | tom99 | you have to /msg dpkg and type 'what is pastebinit' |
| 20:57.15 | tom99 | What is wikisend? |
| 20:57.28 | tom99 | dpkg: What is wikisend? |
| 20:57.30 | dpkg | tom99: what are you talking about? |
| 20:57.34 | greycat | or just /msg dpkg pastebinit |
| 20:57.39 | tom99 | dpkg: What is pastebinit? |
| 20:57.39 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 20:57.42 | greycat | or apt-cache search pastebinit |
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| 21:00.16 | tom99 | luckily i'm on wheezy so I can do pastebinit without the extra commanda rgument |
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| 21:27.33 | tom99 | ok how about this |
| 21:27.41 | tom99 | if i want a shortcut to Terminal on my debian desktop how do I do it? |
| 21:27.48 | tom99 | i tried right clicking on it in the menu and that just starts it |
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| 21:29.56 | mtn | tom99: which desktop is it? gnome? |
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| 21:30.01 | tom99 | i think so |
| 21:30.07 | tom99 | i don't know how to check that |
| 21:30.11 | tom99 | but i have gdm3 running so maybe? |
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| 21:31.31 | somiaj | tom99: default would be gnome, you can see what process are running by looking at 'ps fax' and that will tell you what is running. |
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| 22:02.11 | crookedport | hi, anyone knows how can i download torrent files from debian ? |
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| 22:04.57 | jelly | crookedport, get a torrent client like transmission-gtk or rtorrent or deluge |
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| 22:05.31 | crookedport | jelly which one would you recommend ? |
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| 22:05.55 | coolbuntu | linux sucks lol |
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| 22:07.50 | jelly | crookedport, that _was_ a rough order of preference |
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| 22:08.52 | crookedport | im downalod the rtorrent |
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| 22:08.57 | crookedport | downloading |
| 22:09.52 | jelly | rtorrent is terminal based and has rather weird key bindings. |
| 22:09.57 | dom21232 | stagefight exploit ? |
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| 22:10.20 | jelly | dom21232, are you in the right channel? |
| 22:11.14 | dom21232 | i dont think so |
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| 22:15.54 | ksft | I'm using Irssi in gnome-terminal, and the alt-number shortcuts to switch windows aren't working |
| 22:16.08 | ksft | It worked with this terminal on Ubuntu. |
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| 22:18.18 | starsnet | hi, all. help me, plz |
| 22:19.14 | starsnet | where source programs are? |
| 22:19.31 | starsnet | in /usr/src ? |
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| 22:19.49 | bithon | hello |
| 22:19.51 | jelly | starsnet, in deb-src repositories, you need to uncomment the lines starting with deb-src in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:20.14 | jelly | starsnet, the source is not present on your system by default |
| 22:20.16 | bithon | how "bleeding edge" is debian ? |
| 22:20.21 | aaro | ksft, try esc-number |
| 22:20.25 | bithon | I'm looking for a main distro and heard good things about debian. |
| 22:20.38 | bithon | i have run ubuntu on my computer in the past, and have run arch as my development server |
| 22:21.04 | ksft | aaro: oh, that works |
| 22:21.12 | starsnet | jelly: i want install SBCL (LISP) on Debian7. but apt-get install say - no) |
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| 22:21.33 | starsnet | jelly: have sbcl-source only |
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| 22:22.44 | jelly | ,v sbcl |
| 22:22.45 | judd | Package: sbcl on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0.57.0-2; jessie: 2:1.2.4-2; stretch: 2:1.3.7-1; sid: 2:1.3.8-1 |
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| 22:23.25 | starsnet | jelly: & |
| 22:23.30 | starsnet | jelly: ? |
| 22:23.34 | jelly | starsnet, an older version of sbcl seems to be available in wheezy (debian 7) |
| 22:24.06 | jelly | starsnet, pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list file from your installation |
| 22:24.09 | jelly | !paste |
| 22:24.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 22:24.25 | starsnet | jelly: may be. but my mashine - MIPS) |
| 22:24.43 | jelly | starsnet, what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say? |
| 22:25.12 | starsnet | jelly: mipsel |
| 22:25.18 | jelly | ,v sbcl --arch mipsel |
| 22:25.19 | judd | No package named 'sbcl' was found in mipsel. |
| 22:25.46 | starsnet | jelly: it is MIPS Creator CI20 - SoC |
| 22:26.01 | jelly | starsnet, it seems debian maintainers did not manage to build it on mipsel |
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| 22:27.23 | starsnet | jelly: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/sbcl/sbcl-1.0.28-mipsel-linux-binary.tar.bz2 |
| 22:27.33 | starsnet | jelly: http://www.sbcl.org/platform-table.html |
| 22:27.53 | starsnet | jelly: can i install it ? |
| 22:28.05 | jelly | 1.0.28 sounds even older than 1.0.57.0 from debian 7 |
| 22:28.37 | jelly | I have no idea whether it will work on your system or not |
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| 22:28.48 | jelly | !mips |
| 22:28.48 | dpkg | MIPS is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIPS_architecture). Debian's MIPS port consists of two ports (debian-mips and debian-mipsel) differing in binary endianness. See http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ for more information, supported machines and related links. See also <install guide>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mips/ http://www.linux-mips.org/ #mipslinux on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:30.37 | jelly | starsnet, there's a #debian-mips channel on irc.oftc.net (different network!) but it has like 15 people total |
| 22:31.20 | jelly | you could try ask there but do not expect quick answers |
| 22:31.29 | starsnet | jelly: thx for #debian-mips !) |
| 22:32.05 | starsnet | jelly: what is this: sudo dpkg -l | grep sbcl -> ii sbcl-source 2:1.0.57.0-2 all Source code files for SBCL |
| 22:32.28 | starsnet | jelly: it's source ? |
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| 22:32.53 | starsnet | sbcl 1.0.57 sources ? |
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| 22:34.17 | jelly | starsnet, "apt-cache show sbcl-source" will show you a longer Description (among other things) |
| 22:35.28 | jelly | it's not source code in format that debian used to make .deb packages |
| 22:35.48 | jelly | you get that from deb-src repos. |
| 22:35.56 | jelly | !package rebuild |
| 22:35.56 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
| 22:36.07 | umoukun | I just setup ghost/nodejs and nginx, am running it via a user that only has privileges in /var/www/ghost per some security reference |
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| 22:36.18 | jelly | starsnet, and use something like ^^ to build from source into deb packages |
| 22:36.32 | umoukun | if someone hacks ghost/etc is there anything more I can do for security? |
| 22:36.49 | starsnet | Package: sbcl-source Source: sbcl Version: 2:1.0.57.0-2 Installed-Size: 15749 Maintainer: Debian Common Lisp Team <pkg-common-lisp-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> Architecture: all Replaces: sbcl (<< 1:0.8.20.5-3), sbcl-common (<= 1:0.9.13.0-2) Breaks: sbcl-common (<= 1:0.9.13.0-2) Description-en: Source code files for SBCL This package provides the source code for SBCL -- a development environment for the ANSI Common Lisp language. |
| 22:36.51 | starsnet | )) |
| 22:37.09 | pugfantus | umoukun: chroot it? |
| 22:37.14 | starsnet | Filename: pool/main/s/sbcl/sbcl-source_1.0.57.0-2_all.deb |
| 22:37.37 | jelly | please don't paste that output here :-( |
| 22:37.56 | starsnet | ok. sorry |
| 22:38.10 | stoned | !paste |
| 22:38.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 22:39.13 | umoukun | pugfantus: thanks, I didnt think of chroot |
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| 22:39.30 | pugfantus | np |
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| 22:39.39 | PugaBear | *pinged* |
| 22:40.13 | RoyK | *ponged* |
| 22:40.20 | umoukun | *ping* |
| 22:40.25 | starsnet | jelly: sbcl-source_1.0.57.0-2_all.deb - it's sources, or what ? |
| 22:41.03 | jelly | starsnet, it's sources, but not in a format that's useful to build executables. |
| 22:41.03 | stoned | table tennis is fun |
| 22:41.21 | starsnet | jelly: ok |
| 22:41.30 | jelly | starsnet, you get those with "apt-get source sbcl" |
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| 22:43.55 | starsnet | jerry: wow) apt-get source sbcl - downloaded sources. what's next ? |
| 22:44.10 | starsnet | compile ? |
| 22:44.41 | jelly | starsnet, read /msg dpkg package rebuild |
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| 22:48.09 | starsnet | jelly: I do not understand. I am new to linux. what I should do? |
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| 22:48.57 | umoukun | starsnet: really? |
| 22:49.09 | stoned | Wait. |
| 22:49.21 | starsnet | umoukun: yes) |
| 22:49.22 | stoned | steel bank common lisp wants to get installed |
| 22:49.26 | stoned | And you don't know linux? |
| 22:49.32 | starsnet | no) |
| 22:49.33 | stoned | That's ... alright. I guess. |
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| 22:50.03 | stoned | I read the backlog. |
| 22:50.08 | stoned | Follow the bot directions |
| 22:50.21 | stoned | Feel free to clarify each step w/ us if you need to. |
| 22:50.46 | umoukun | starsnet: really??????? |
| 22:50.47 | starsnet | i little khow netbsd. in linux - newer) |
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| 22:52.16 | stoned | starsnet: you did step 3 |
| 22:52.33 | stoned | starsnet: now follow on to step 4 |
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| 22:53.05 | starsnet | stoned: and what is step 4 ? |
| 22:53.34 | stoned | !tell starsnet about package rebuild |
| 22:53.45 | stoned | check your private message window from bot dpkg |
| 22:53.59 | stoned | that won't get lost in channel traffic |
| 22:54.52 | stoned | If you are not modifying rules or other package config/source, you don't need to probably go through all this. apt=get -b source sbcl (or whatever) should do the trick in one shot. |
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| 22:55.11 | starsnet | ok. i see) |
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| 22:58.41 | bmomjian | Is there anything special in a file system that makes it bootable? If I tar up the root file system while booting from a CD, copy it somewhere else, mkfs the device, and restore the files, will it still boot? |
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| 22:58.57 | bmomjian | I want to switch my boot file system from ext3 to ext4 on Jessie. |
| 22:59.32 | starsnet | build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied ( |
| 23:00.20 | stoned | starsnet: paste the output on paste.debian.net or something (/msg dpkg pastebinit) if you are on cli |
| 23:00.23 | stoned | or check sprunge.us |
| 23:00.29 | Johann | bmomjian: well, it could work, but you will probably have to change your fstab and mark the partition as bootable |
| 23:00.53 | bmomjian | yes, I need to change the root uuid, right? |
| 23:01.08 | Johann | yeah and the partition types |
| 23:01.14 | Johann | you will probably have to reinstall grub too |
| 23:01.19 | bmomjian | yes, partition type. |
| 23:01.39 | Johann | and well, i'm not *sure* that's all you'd have to do |
| 23:01.43 | bmomjian | oh, I am confused by update-grub, grub-install, and grub-install --recheck |
| 23:02.10 | bmomjian | I have seen each of those used, and can't find the difference. |
| 23:02.20 | stoned | What are you doing? |
| 23:02.20 | bmomjian | something like: grub-install /dev/sda |
| 23:02.24 | stoned | Why are you doing this? |
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| 23:02.34 | stoned | You dont' have to reformat to ext4 and reinstall everything. |
| 23:02.37 | bmomjian | change ext3 to ext4 on boot partition |
| 23:02.38 | stoned | Just use tune2fs |
| 23:02.45 | stoned | add your extents |
| 23:02.47 | bmomjian | uh, I kind of have everything installed already |
| 23:02.53 | stoned | add the ext4 kernel module if you haven't already and there you go. |
| 23:02.59 | bmomjian | tune2fs does not full convert to ext4 |
| 23:03.12 | bmomjian | all other file systems are ext4 already |
| 23:03.39 | stoned | This is for /boot correct? |
| 23:03.47 | Johann | bmomjian: it's only your boot partition that is ext3 and that you want to convert ? |
| 23:03.51 | stoned | You don't need ext4 features for /boot |
| 23:04.01 | bmomjian | for root fs |
| 23:04.06 | stoned | oh |
| 23:05.03 | starsnet | stoned: i am pasted in debian.net thx) |
| 23:05.27 | stoned | What is the link? |
| 23:05.32 | Johann | bmomjian: anyway what you said *should* work even if you may have to tweak a couple of things, but that's by all means not usual and you should be ready to reinstall the system from scratch. So backup datas and conf in a way that is easy to restore |
| 23:05.47 | Johann | (and if you do that, it might be easier to reinstall anyway.. but that's your call) |
| 23:06.00 | bmomjian | yes, I am making my third backup now that will be outside the server. |
| 23:06.12 | bmomjian | I already have two backup drives in the server. |
| 23:06.14 | stoned | starsnet: give us the link for the paste |
| 23:06.36 | stoned | starsnet: it would be paste.debian.net/<6 digits here> |
| 23:06.39 | bmomjian | there would be many config files to reinstall on a fresh install |
| 23:06.49 | starsnet | stoned: http://paste.debian.net/802223/ |
| 23:07.35 | stoned | starsnet: install the packages listed on line 7 |
| 23:08.33 | starsnet | stoned: all ? (texinfo zlib1g-dev texlive-extra-utils texlive graphviz texlive-generic-recommended texlive-font-utils time) |
| 23:08.33 | stoned | starsnet: apt-get build-dep sbclsomethingwhatever the name is |
| 23:08.39 | stoned | no, build-dep |
| 23:08.42 | stoned | man apt-get |
| 23:08.47 | starsnet | ok |
| 23:08.49 | stoned | read the manual too (if you get a chance) |
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| 23:09.29 | stoned | starsnet: I mean yes, all those, but build-dep directive should take care of it |
| 23:10.45 | stoned | starsnet: if you had followed the steps, this was step #2 in the bot factoid in your msg |
| 23:11.18 | stoned | aptitude -R build-dep packagename OR apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 23:11.29 | stoned | Follow the bot instructions very precisely |
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| 23:12.02 | starsnet | stoned: i can't doing step 2 *confused/ ) one moment plz |
| 23:12.38 | stoned | starsnet: step 2 is a whole bunch of commands seperated by ; make sure you dont' copy paste. Make sure you read and understand the process. |
| 23:12.41 | stoned | take your time |
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| 23:33.27 | Velveeta_Chef | How do I go about accessing my Galaxy Note5 and mounting it like a USB drive in Debian? |
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| 23:39.26 | themill | Velveeta_Chef: you probably can't. You might be able to connect it as a media device (mtp) though |
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| 23:40.04 | tom99 | erm |
| 23:40.20 | tom99 | so in gnome if I move my cursor to the upper west of the screen I'm supposed to get an "overview" mode |
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| 23:40.40 | tom99 | But I see just a tooltip that says "Browse and run installed applications" |
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| 23:41.36 | tom99 | i have gdm3 runnign so i think i have gnome3 |
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| 23:48.12 | starsnet | stoned: are you here?) |
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| 23:54.27 | tom99 | okay I got it to work on whezy |
| 23:54.27 | tom99 | *wheezy |
| 23:54.46 | tom99 | if you want a shortcut on the desktop in debian open nautilus find the program in /usr/bin you want to add to the desktop |
| 23:54.46 | climjark | hello all :D |
| 23:54.56 | tom99 | Right click and select Copy to and then choose Desktop |
| 23:55.08 | tom99 | But to get this to work you need to give Nautilus control of the desktop |
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| 23:55.38 | tom99 | To do that Go to the menu in gnome debian menu and choose Applications->System Tools->Preferences->Advanced settings |
| 23:55.38 | starsnet | can anybody help me? http://paste.debian.net/802374/ |
| 23:56.03 | tom99 | And then toggle the setting "Have file manager handle the Desktop" |
| 23:56.28 | tom99 | Also this is why linux is never going to succeed for the ordinary user. lol |
| 23:57.34 | themill | The ordinary user can't do it in windows either. (I know, I've watched them try.) |
| 23:58.02 | awal1 | gnu/linux isn't just gnome-shell/gnome3 :P |
| 23:58.40 | tom99 | awal1: lol I sh ould install Mint or Ubuntu and see if it's simplified |
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| 23:59.06 | Velveeta_Chef | themill, thanks once I installed mtp-tools I was all set |
| 23:59.14 | themill | :) |
| 23:59.22 | themill | starsnet: ignoring build-dependencies is not the right to do; don't build as root |
| 23:59.23 | stoned | Velveeta_Chef: I use KDE and kio-mtp plugin works really nicely in Dolpon |
| 23:59.27 | stoned | Dolphin |
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| 23:59.44 | stoned | Velveeta_Chef: http://i.imgur.com/Zlrv152.png |
| 23:59.50 | awal1 | why mint/ubuntu, you have a lot of choice in debian, it's a matter of DE not a distribution, tom99 |
| 23:59.59 | starsnet | themill: and how build ? |
