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| 00:07.00 | random_numbers | Hey there. Would anyone here have any advice for de-duplication software for anywhere between 50k to 150k pictures? |
| 00:07.32 | random_numbers | I've been trying findimagedupes... but it segfaulted for whatever reason. |
| 00:08.53 | apb | RoyK: You wouldn't actually be running the OS over TFTP, it's just for booting it. You download a boot image and boot and run it locally. |
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| 00:09.34 | apb | bootp is another option |
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| 00:17.22 | random_numbers | No one? |
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| 00:22.21 | brimonk | random_numbers: You could use something called fdupes. |
| 00:22.33 | brimonk | I'm not sure if duplicate files is the same as duplicate images. |
| 00:23.19 | random_numbers | Sadly no, otherwise ssdeep would be a simple option. |
| 00:24.07 | brimonk | I didn't think so. You'd need something that would compute each pixel's vector, then compare that vector set to other vector sets for images that are like, 'pretty close, but not actually exact', right? |
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| 00:24.34 | random_numbers | Yeah. If you know of a java or python library that contains the required stuff I'm willing to deal with that. |
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| 00:26.22 | brimonk | I've found this, but I'm pretty sure that you've already done the google search... http://askubuntu.com/questions/4072/how-can-i-find-duplicate-photos |
| 00:26.30 | brimonk | And I don't really know where those get you. |
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| 00:26.45 | brimonk | But, |
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| 00:27.07 | brimonk | Those aren't REALLY image comparison things. They more so compare the hashes, then the bytes. |
| 00:27.10 | brimonk | Well... |
| 00:27.13 | brimonk | Actually, |
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| 00:31.50 | apb | brimonk: This should help you setup a full OS. https://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_pxe_install_server ; An excerpt:A PXE install server allows your client computers to boot and install a Linux distribution over the network, without the need of burning Linux iso images onto a CD/DVD, boot floppy images, etc. |
| 00:31.59 | brimonk | Find two images that are different, but look the same and see if fdupes would work. Just try it and see what happens. |
| 00:32.43 | brimonk | apb: But, is is possible to not have a hard drive or any storage device? |
| 00:32.59 | apb | brimonk: Of course it's geared for ubuntu but with a little head scratching you should be able to make it work for debian. |
| 00:33.42 | RoyK | apb: no, you'd download a kernel and some helperthings and mount the thing over nfs |
| 00:33.58 | apb | brimonk: Yes. The next paragraph: This is handy if your client computers don't have CD or floppy drives, or if you want to set up multiple computers at the same time (e.g. in a large enterprise), or simply because you want to save the money for the CDs/DVDs. In this article I show how to configure a PXE server that allows you to boot multiple distributions: Ubuntu Edgy/Dapper, Debian Etch/Sarge, Fedora Core 6, CentOS 4.4, OpenSuSE 10.2, and Mandriva |
| 00:33.59 | apb | 2007. |
| 00:36.06 | apb | RoyK: I haven't read the whole article so perhaps there's a mention of NFS somewhere... |
| 00:36.42 | apb | RoyK: But from the synopis I just pasted... it doesn't seem so.... but I don't know the details so anything's possible :) |
| 00:36.52 | RoyK | apb: perhaps time to read up about it before you blarg out on "that's not true" |
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| 00:37.43 | apb | RoyK: You seem to be quoting something I'm unable to find in the history log. |
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| 00:39.18 | RoyK | apb: I've ran systems from pxe boot only at one time - but back then the rootfs was 32MB - somewhat embedded system - with a modern OS, you *really* don't want to do that, you want the kernel in place and NFS in the background to do the real shit |
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| 00:42.20 | apb | RoyK: I'm not saying you didn't do what you say. My comment was: [17:15] <apb> RoyK: You wouldn't actually be running the OS over TFTP, it's just for booting it. You download a boot image and boot and run it locally. |
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| 00:43.13 | RoyK | apb: sure, but you don't want to use tftp to download a 2GB image :P |
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| 00:46.44 | apb | RoyK: I don't know for a fact but I wouldn't be surprised if it was faster than NFS. Someone would have to test or research it. |
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| 00:47.37 | RoyK | apb: don't do that - you'll spend a lot of time downloading that image |
| 00:47.50 | RoyK | apb: and most of it won't be used actively |
| 00:47.59 | apb | RoyK: I don't know his intention, but TFTP should only be used over a LAN. So, that should be quite fast. |
| 00:48.08 | apb | RoyK: Regardless of protocol used. |
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| 00:48.37 | RoyK | apb: just try it, ok? |
| 00:48.47 | apb | RoyK: That's up to him. |
| 00:49.04 | qman__ | You don't have to use FTP for the whole image, I've set them up to use http |
| 00:49.23 | qman__ | tftp* |
| 00:49.25 | apb | Why would http be any faster than ftp? |
| 00:49.39 | apb | oh crap I have to jam. Back later. |
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| 00:49.50 | qman__ | Because FTP is a really basic, slow protocol |
| 00:49.52 | RoyK | qman__: we were talking about tftp |
| 00:50.11 | qman__ | tftp, sorry |
| 00:50.22 | qman__ | Autocorrect |
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| 00:52.33 | qman__ | You want to keep the TFTP image as small as you can because it transfers slow, but you can http download your actual image after the initial pxe boot, it works much better |
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| 00:58.14 | Muadabi | Hello, how i can install tlp on debian? |
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| 00:58.59 | Muadabi | I have use this guide: http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html |
| 00:59.24 | Muadabi | but I'm getting this: W: Failed to fetch http://repo.linrunner.de/debian/dists/DIST/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
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| 01:23.43 | zykotick9 | Muadabi: i believe the prevailing opinion is tlp should "probably" be avoided... that said, i did have one use case where tlp did more the quiet the cpu-buzz of a librebooted x60 system then anything else i tried. just food for thought, good luck. |
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| 01:29.05 | zykotick9 | Muadabi: crap... i went through my notes, i was running parabola (arch based) when i was playing with tlp... |
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| 01:37.10 | Muadabi | zykotick9: thanks for the advise |
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| 01:56.59 | N3X15 | Is there a way to get visual feedback of service [whatever] restart doing stuff? I'm setting up a script for some common post-update service restarts |
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| 02:14.21 | Tiral | N3X15: what do you mean for visual feedback? try monit |
| 02:15.48 | N3X15 | I mean the old "Restarting whatever... [ OK ]" |
| 02:16.12 | N3X15 | Tiral, right now it just exits silently. |
| 02:17.00 | Tiral | N3X15: monit |
| 02:17.52 | N3X15 | So there's no verbosity switch in the service command? |
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| 02:20.02 | somiaj | N3X15: service is just passing the command to systemctl I belive |
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| 02:21.01 | somiaj | N3X15: so with systemd just use systemctl instead, though its design is to just trigger systemd to restart the service in the background. Use systemctl status to see verbosity on a unit |
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| 02:24.48 | souravbadami | I'm getting umnet dependencies issue while installing python-dev. |
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| 02:41.26 | jmcnaught | souravbadami: can you make a paste of the error? see also "/msg dpkg bat" for additional troubleshooting information that will help |
| 02:44.02 | souravbadami | jmcnaught: Solved! The issue was with the source list. Thanks! |
| 02:45.18 | jmcnaught | !next |
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| 03:30.50 | winny | (using a key on a usb drive) |
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| 03:49.03 | n_blownapart | anyone know of good mathematical software free for debian. anything similar to wolfram alpha out there? |
| 03:50.20 | RoyK | scipy? |
| 03:51.03 | n_blownapart | RoyK does that work anything like wolfram do you know? |
| 03:51.30 | n_blownapart | I mean, you need to write good python right I guess? |
| 03:51.31 | RoyK | I don't know wolfram, but scipy is rather close to matlab |
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| 03:51.59 | n_blownapart | RoyK thanks I installed it on another sys. |
| 03:52.20 | RoyK | I'm not a math geek - I just leared about it from some |
| 03:53.27 | RoyK | n_blownapart: btw, R is nice too, but more to statistics |
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| 03:54.16 | n_blownapart | RoyK, thanks I'm looking at this thing called mathbuntu. it includes sage and R |
| 03:54.28 | ryouma | scipy is python? |
| 03:54.54 | RoyK | ryouma: it's numpy with an overlay, yes, python |
| 03:55.11 | tom99 | yeah but i don't know what the dependency is |
| 03:55.15 | tom99 | scipy depends on numpy? |
| 03:55.36 | RoyK | tom99: it uses numpy for the math stuff |
| 03:55.50 | n_blownapart | the big deal now is Jupyter notebooks ; notice the py in the spelling |
| 03:56.03 | tom99 | mathematica and matlab are slightly different in focus. So I guess R, scipy, and maxima are all slightly different |
| 03:56.11 | n_blownapart | that runs with scipy numpy datascipy or what have you |
| 03:56.11 | tom99 | But I can't tell what the differences are |
| 03:56.15 | ryouma | seems like python is taking over from c as the language you have to know |
| 03:56.28 | tom99 | python is written in C though |
| 03:56.36 | tom99 | and you can write modules for it in C also |
| 03:56.48 | n_blownapart | whats maxima? |
| 03:56.54 | tom99 | another math system |
| 03:56.57 | tom99 | it has lisp syntax |
| 03:57.07 | RoyK | tom99: a lot of the numpy modules are written in C or FORTRAN, but have a python interface |
| 03:57.19 | tom99 | i'd like to see a comparison of these different tools |
| 03:57.36 | tom99 | I've heard sage is good because it's a conglomerate of a bunch of other programs. |
| 03:57.44 | n_blownapart | how to self-learn math? should I just buy the monthly wolfram alpha app that breaks down problems for you? |
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| 03:59.29 | tom99 | i don't know. math is big |
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| 04:02.37 | n_blownapart | I found it. use anaconda (miniconda is super easy) to download jupyter notebooks with sage package. emath.org/question/32741/integrate-sage-jupyter-notebook-in-anaconda-python-distribution/ |
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| 04:41.27 | deego | How do I install all packages starting with string S? I try apt-get install S.* but that includes all *S* packages |
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| 04:42.39 | RoyK | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.39 | morf | just s* ? |
| 04:42.43 | RoyK | perhasps |
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| 04:43.07 | morf | but it won't work because of the conflicts |
| 04:43.11 | RoyK | morf: that could match local files |
| 04:43.31 | morf | yeah sure escape the s**t out of it :) |
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| 04:45.12 | deego | hm, none of those options work as expected. |
| 04:45.58 | RoyK | deego: why would you install everything beginning with s? |
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| 04:46.27 | deego | RoyK: i meant s in the variable sense. Example: python-py.* |
| 04:46.34 | apb1963 | deego: '^S*' perhaps. |
| 04:47.26 | RoyK | deego: pastebin the output of 'apt-get install python-py\*' |
| 04:48.00 | RoyK | anyway - you probably don't need all of them |
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| 04:48.06 | apb1963 | deego: use -s to simulate it |
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| 04:49.04 | apb1963 | deego: My example includes the single, forward quotes. |
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| 04:49.53 | deego | apb1963: thanks. I will try it. I'd prefer to use apt-get, not aptitude. I wonder if it will work with that |
| 04:50.01 | Aearnus | Hi, I'm having the most bizarre problem with my network drivers -- After having run an apt-get upgrade today, my network drivers (for the Broadcom BCM4352) stopped working around 10 minutes afterwards, spitting a lot of errors in `dmesg` saying "WLC_SCAN error (-22)" |
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| 04:52.17 | apb1963 | deego: I don't know if it will work with either one. It's just something to try. |
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| 04:53.10 | apb1963 | deego: The ^ (caret) or hat as some people say, means beginning, in regex aware programs. |
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| 04:53.55 | apb1963 | deego: Whether any of the package mgmt tools are regex aware is something I don't know. |
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| 04:54.08 | deego | apb1963: thanks |
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| 04:54.44 | apb1963 | deego: np. Good luck! If the regex is wrong, I think there might be a #regex channel but if not, #bash would be a good place to ask. |
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| 06:17.36 | mmcdermott | in my /etc/default/docker file i added DOCKER_OPTS="--dns 8.8.8.8 --dns 8.8.4.4 -g /mnt/storage/docker" |
| 06:17.47 | mmcdermott | but for some reason when i pull a image they do not go there |
| 06:17.50 | mmcdermott | how can i fix this? |
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| 07:16.55 | okdamn | what's the best solution to have custom domain email box without having to install your own mail server ? |
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| 07:34.41 | admin__ | bolt, ? |
| 07:34.54 | bolt | admin__: check your pm's from dpkg |
| 07:35.37 | Dreaman | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers admin__ |
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| 07:45.29 | dutchfish | ,version libboost-date-time1.55.0 |
| 07:45.30 | judd | Package: libboost-date-time1.55.0 on amd64 -- jessie: 1.55.0+dfsg-3 |
| 07:45.55 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 07:45.55 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 07:45.58 | jelly | SparkySquirrel: ^^ |
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| 07:49.14 | SparkySquirrel | jelly: AH libboost-date-time1.55.0 needs to be updated for unstable |
| 07:50.41 | SparkySquirrel | see here: http://paste.debian.net/805999/ |
| 07:51.07 | dutchfish | ,version boost-defaults |
| 07:51.08 | judd | No package named 'boost-defaults' was found in amd64. |
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| 07:51.36 | dutchfish | SparkySquirrel, unstable has 1.61.0.2 atm |
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| 07:52.12 | dutchfish | SparkySquirrel, see alse https://packages.qa.debian.org/b/boost-defaults.html |
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| 07:52.23 | SparkySquirrel | erm so swift-im then needs to be recompiled then |
| 07:52.31 | jelly | SparkySquirrel: why are you mixing stable and unstable? |
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| 07:52.37 | jelly | that's almost never a good idea |
| 07:53.35 | SparkySquirrel | well erm ok |
| 07:54.02 | jelly | but yes that libswiften2 will have to be rebuilt |
| 07:54.24 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 07:54.24 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 07:54.42 | SparkySquirrel | this is good? http://paste.debian.net/806000/ |
| 07:55.13 | jelly | it's good if you want to make a mess? |
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| 07:56.07 | jelly | if you run a testing/unstable mix to help debian get a new release, best to get the stable bits out |
| 07:56.27 | SparkySquirrel | how do I know which packages are from stable? |
| 07:57.03 | jelly | can you answer WHY you are using stable at all? |
| 07:57.13 | SparkySquirrel | to get swift-im |
| 07:57.45 | jelly | that seems impossible at the moment |
| 07:59.00 | jelly | read #822131 |
| 07:59.01 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/822131 in swift-im (open, sid): «Boost 1.55 to be removed; your attention required»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-04-21; last modified: 2016-05-10. |
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| 07:59.11 | SparkySquirrel | dang |
| 07:59.16 | SparkySquirrel | so it's a recode then |
| 07:59.16 | jelly | and try help the maintainer fix it |
| 07:59.19 | SparkySquirrel | for a new boost |
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| 08:00.11 | jelly | nod |
| 08:02.16 | jelly | since the maintainer hasn't done a thing about it in 4 months, they may also need other help with packaging who knows |
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| 08:03.06 | SparkySquirrel | lol right now my internet's all slow because I'm at my dad's... |
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| 08:25.57 | souravbadami | How to fix this in chromium browser > Google.co.in offered in: हिनà¥à¤¦à¥ বাà¦à¦²à¦¾ à°¤à±à°²à±à°à± मराठॠதமிழ௠àªà«àªàª°àª¾àª¤à« à²à²¨à³à²¨à²¡ മലയാളഠਪੰà¨à¨¾à¨¬à© |
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| 08:27.04 | nkuttler | souravbadami: install whatever font you need? |
| 08:27.19 | nkuttler | which language is that anyway? |
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| 08:27.20 | dutchfish | souravbadami, ask there support, but there are issues with 53.0.2785.92 that i am aware off |
| 08:27.54 | nkuttler | fwiw, the site looks just fine to me |
| 08:27.56 | dutchfish | souravbadami, i expect an update very soon |
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| 08:34.35 | souravbadami | nkuttler: Set of different languages in India, |
| 08:35.01 | dutchfish | souravbadami, not only in India |
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| 08:36.35 | dutchfish | souravbadami, and there are more regressions in it |
| 08:37.10 | dutchfish | souravbadami, .94 or higher should fix it |
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| 08:37.49 | dutchfish | souravbadami, fyi i am just an enduser too |
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| 08:38.58 | martin___ | hi, |
| 08:38.59 | Joost | I want to downgrade a package from backports back to stable, but some things depend on it |
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| 08:39.06 | Joost | if I apt-get remove, all the dependants also get removed |
| 08:39.12 | Joost | (including my window manager..) |
| 08:39.13 | malinus | Hello there. I have jessie debian running on an embedded device. I'm having driver problems with this device https://wikidevi.com/wiki/D-Link_DWA-172_rev_A1 . I have the "8812au.ko" statically build into my kernel. And I even checked the backport/drivers/realtek/rtl8812au/os_dep/linux/usb_intf.c for the device vendor:product id's. Still, when I connect the usb - nothing happens (dmesg - kernel just finds a high speed device). |
| 08:39.23 | Joost | how would I go about going back to a previous version? |
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| 08:39.42 | malinus | lsmod, doesn't show the 8812au, but when I try to modprobe it, it says "it's already in the kernel". No idea what's up with that |
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| 08:41.29 | dutchfish | Joost, that depends, if your wm is from backports, it will be hard. You have to find out all the dependecies first. Making a backup now is not a bad idea. |
| 08:42.31 | Joost | dutchfish: it's not |
| 08:42.53 | Joost | the only thing I did was upgrade the dependency library |
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| 08:43.04 | dutchfish | Joost, then you start by pointing your /etc/apt/sources.list back to stable only. Aptitude in interactive mode will tell you what packages are from bpo after an aptitude update first. |
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| 08:43.37 | Joost | ah, I was perhaps not complete; I have some other things from backports.. |
| 08:43.38 | dutchfish | Joost, which one |
| 08:43.49 | Joost | but in this specific scenario, it's about one lib and a bunch of things that depend on it |
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| 08:44.18 | Joost | i.e. got libegl1-mesa from backports (because something else pulled it in), and now apt-get install libegl1-mesa/jessie suggests to remove gdm3 |
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| 08:44.51 | dutchfish | Joost, that bunch can be alot, but anyway, point your source file to stable and run aptitude update, then aptitude in interactive mode in investigate what has been installed form bpo |
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| 08:45.26 | dutchfish | ,version gdm3 |
| 08:45.27 | judd | Package: gdm3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.1-8; jessie: 3.14.1-7; stretch: 3.20.1-1; sid: 3.21.90-1 |
| 08:45.35 | Adam1221 | anyone can help me executing a script before login? /etc/gdm3/Init/Default is buggy! |
| 08:46.08 | Joost | dutchfish: I'm aware what's installed from backports, and it's a long list |
| 08:46.11 | dutchfish | Joost, there is no gdm3 from bpo, so that is prolly only because it depends either on packages form stable or bpo |
| 08:46.18 | Joost | dutchfish: precisely |
| 08:46.25 | dutchfish | Joost, thats normal |
| 08:46.32 | Joost | dutchfish: so there should not be a problem running gdm3 with the mesa versoin from stable |
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| 08:46.36 | Joost | dutchfish: the problem is how to ge tthere |
| 08:46.43 | dutchfish | Joost, downgrading is normally not supported, but can be done |
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| 08:46.50 | notwithstanding | 9gb for debian iso ? |
| 08:47.26 | dutchfish | Joost, manually override it, aptitude will suggest, just dont accept it, until it leaves an option where it keeps gdm3 unaltered |
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| 08:47.58 | Joost | dutchfish: when I apt-get install libegl1-mesa/jessie to override it, it says it'll both downgrade libegl1-mesa (good thing) and remove gdm3 et al (bad thing) |
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| 08:48.07 | dutchfish | Joost, but start to write down anything that is from bpo and walk down the dependecy road, before you start actually doing it |
| 08:48.15 | Joost | dutchfish: same thing when I 'force version' through the synaptic GUI |
| 08:48.48 | dutchfish | Joost, dont use synaptic for that, i suggest to use aptitude NOT apt-get on this |
| 08:48.52 | Joost | dutchfish: good call.. but atm I'm not at a point yet where I know how to actually replace the lib while presering its dependants |
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| 08:49.57 | dutchfish | Joost, again you are on your own on this, you have to write out all the depencies first and know how they interact, at some point you find the key package that should not be removed because it is from stable. Anthing down that tree will be hold as well then. |
| 08:50.26 | dutchfish | Joost, aptitude in interactive mode is your friend |
| 08:50.56 | Joost | ok, I'll give it a whirl |
| 08:51.03 | Joost | thanks |
| 08:51.12 | dutchfish | Joost, if you have more specific question, paste it to pastebin |
| 08:51.20 | dutchfish | Joost, yw |
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| 08:51.42 | Adam1221 | guys anyone can help me executing a script before login? /etc/gdm3/Init/Default is buggy! |
| 08:51.46 | dutchfish | Joost, downgrading is hairy stuff |
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| 08:53.03 | Joost | dutchfish: it seems so.. |
| 08:53.45 | Joost | dutchfish: the problem originates from me trying to compile other code that depends on an older versoin of a lib that's since been upgraded by bpo |
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| 08:54.17 | Joost | well, the problem originates from me not proprely managing bpo packages vs stable packages, of course :P |
| 08:54.44 | dutchfish | Joost, tip: build debian packages, not code |
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| 08:55.56 | dutchfish | Joost, removing and installing your home brew packages is handsdown the best option, not to break your system |
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| 08:56.58 | dutchfish | Joost, or easely repair it, when a home brew one messes it up |
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| 09:01.38 | souravbadami | How to add ctrl+alt+T as terminal shortcut ? |
| 09:01.43 | souravbadami | 8.5 Jessie |
| 09:01.51 | Joost | hmm.. it appears that *none* of the dependants it wants to remove (as listed in http://pastebin.com/Vj1hwwME) actually originates from bpo |
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| 09:03.38 | dutchfish | Joost, then aptitude remove {foo} | dont accept the proposed option until aptitude suggest to leave the rest alone, after that you install that same one form stable. (but not before you have pointed your apt source file to stable only and have done an aptitude update) |
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| 09:05.26 | dutchfish | Joost, that way you dont hose up the package manager |
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| 09:05.58 | Joost | that looks promising |
| 09:06.15 | Joost | can I both remove and install a previous version in one 'resolution' step? |
| 09:06.55 | Joost | it seems to only suggest (a few variations on) the 'lets delete everything' resolution |
| 09:07.08 | dutchfish | Joost, not on this one, but you can do something like this: `aptitude update && aptitude remove {foo} && aptitude install {foo}` |
| 09:07.42 | dutchfish | Joost, its the same as you do it in sepearte steps, you still have to deny the options that remove the whole tree |
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| 09:07.56 | Joost | if I deny that option, it does not want to remove libegl1-mesa.. |
| 09:08.26 | Joost | hence I get stuck trying to remove the bpo version |
| 09:08.27 | dutchfish | Joost, then you do that one in a separate step, same drill |
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| 09:09.05 | Joost | I cannot; `aptitude remove libegl1-mesa` simply tells me to remove the whole tree, or aborts |
| 09:09.34 | dutchfish | Joost, are you sure libegl1-mesa is indeed from stable? |
| 09:09.53 | Joost | no, that is precisely the problem |
| 09:09.58 | Joost | it's from bpo, and I want to downgrade it to stable |
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| 09:11.55 | dutchfish | Joost, you can do that (ones you have pointed apt to stable only & and have done aptitude update) by `aptitude autoclean && aptitude reinstall {foo}` |
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| 09:13.12 | dutchfish | Joost, that is if the dependecies are from stable atm |
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| 09:16.17 | Joost | dutchfish: the dependencies of libegl1-mesa? |
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| 09:16.54 | dutchfish | Joost, if nothing else work you can use --ignore-depends as an option, but it will breka your system if you still have packages as deps down that tree from bpo |
| 09:17.16 | dutchfish | Joost, yes |
| 09:17.30 | dutchfish | Joost, run time deps |
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| 09:18.27 | Joost | hmm, after modifying sources and autoclean, I now get E: Can't find a source to download version '11.1.3-1~bpo8+1' of 'libegl1-mesa:amd64' when re-installing |
| 09:18.55 | dutchfish | Joost, here are all the deps in stable for that one https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libegl1-mesa |
| 09:19.07 | dutchfish | Joost, its quiet alot |
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| 09:19.35 | dutchfish | Joost, have you correct /etc/apt/sources/list ? |
| 09:19.44 | dutchfish | oops |
| 09:20.14 | dutchfish | Joost, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:20.30 | Joost | yeah |
| 09:20.52 | dutchfish | Joost, and have done aptitude update? |
| 09:21.22 | Joost | yes |
| 09:21.56 | dutchfish | Joost, then you have a r-depend on that version of bpo |
| 09:22.35 | dutchfish | Joost, `aptitude why libegl1-mesa` will tell you |
| 09:22.39 | Joost | what's an r-depend? |
| 09:22.58 | dutchfish | Joost, another package that depends on libegl1-mesa from bpo |
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| 09:23.24 | Joost | it just tells me `i vlc Depends libegl1-mesa (>= 7.8.1) | libegl1-x11`, and 7.8.1 is way below the -mesa from stable |
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| 09:24.06 | Joost | (after removing vlc, another one shows up depending on 7.8.1+ |
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| 09:26.22 | dutchfish | Joost, stop now, i need pastebin to judge what is happening, you probably have alot more form bpo, i am not completely gone walk you through, that could take hours |
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| 09:27.07 | dutchfish | Joost, make a complete list what is installed from bpo |
| 09:27.25 | dutchfish | Joost, then come back with that paste |
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| 09:27.53 | cybrNaut | pastebin is a bad choice, fyi, because many are blocked from that site. sprunge.us is better (it's open to all) |
| 09:28.12 | dutchfish | !pastebin |
| 09:28.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 09:28.48 | dutchfish | cybrNaut, maybe someone should update that factoid then |
| 09:28.59 | dutchfish | cybrNaut, thanks |
| 09:29.10 | phaer | I am using debian stretch with i915 (and nvidia with bumblebee) and my second screen stays blank after activating it. It gets listed by xrandr -q and I can move my mouse there. The screens power indicator says its running, but it stays black. The same screen works well with another machine over HDMI and the logs seem to be clean. Any suggestions on how to investigate this further? |
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| 09:30.03 | cybrNaut | dutchfish: actually those services are fine.. it's the literal pastebin.com that's a problem |
| 09:30.31 | dutchfish | cybrNaut, ah, i had no problems with paste.debian.net |
| 09:31.58 | cybrNaut | indeed. It's just a shame that "pastebin" has common verb usage, but the service it came from has become a problem for the free world |
| 09:32.07 | dutchfish | cybrNaut, yup |
| 09:32.21 | dutchfish | cybrNaut, thanks for the headsup |
| 09:32.30 | cybrNaut | np |
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| 09:37.30 | dutchfish | Joost, one more tip, sometimes it is alot easier to just backup and start a fresh install, if there are alot of packages from bpo that could much more timeconsuming then a fresh install, depending on what you have done in the past. |
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| 09:38.16 | dutchfish | Joost, specially mesa is hard to downgrade with all its deps |
| 09:38.40 | dutchfish | Joost, if you are new to this |
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| 09:39.08 | dutchfish | Joost, your choice |
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| 09:42.43 | jusss | is there a debian distro for tablets? |
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| 09:43.15 | jusss | I mean intel baytrail tablets not arm |
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| 09:48.03 | dutchfish | jusss, you could ask #debian-mobile, also see https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile depending on your particular proc changes are it is possible |
| 09:48.30 | jusss | dutchfish: ok |
| 09:49.01 | jusss | dutchfish: there's no one... |
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| 09:49.47 | dutchfish | jusss, or consult its mailinglist |
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| 09:50.34 | dutchfish | jusss, https://lists.debian.org/debian-mobile/ |
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| 09:53.19 | jusss | ok |
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| 10:01.23 | jim_carry | Do you use wheezy on your personal computer? |
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| 10:05.21 | jusss | me? |
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| 10:06.22 | jim_carry | Do you guys use wheezy on your personal computer? |
| 10:07.08 | jusss | I did |
| 10:07.15 | jim_carry | How it is? |
| 10:07.16 | jusss | but I use jessie now |
| 10:07.30 | jusss | wheezy is good |
| 10:07.53 | jim_carry | Is it safe to use jessie on production? |
| 10:07.56 | jusss | and it uses sys-v init not systemd |
| 10:08.25 | jusss | what production? |
| 10:08.39 | jim_carry | for server |
| 10:08.58 | jusss | yes, I think it's safe for that |
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| 10:39.01 | fanchoux | bonjour |
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| 11:26.28 | cdb23ax | hello can someone help me with performance troubleshooting? i have a counter-strike global offensive gameserver running and it does not run smooth in fact there are huge lagspikes. the sv value goes up to 50 |
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| 11:27.37 | cdb23ax | even if only 1 player is on the server without any bots. the cpu usage is around 5% but still issues |
| 11:28.29 | ThisIsZenified | it depends on network |
| 11:28.42 | ThisIsZenified | if you are on s*** hosting or ISP, it'd suck |
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| 11:29.39 | Dreaman | in america isp is a jocke |
| 11:29.53 | jandro | Hello everyone. I am on Debian 8.5. I need X forwarding over SSH after doing a âsu -â, to this effect I know I can add the userâs magic cookie from the root prompt, but it will only work for the current SSH session. Is there a way to make the root login âinheritâ such cookie automatically for every user login? thanks |
| 11:29.53 | Dreaman | low speed and meni $ |
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| 11:37.51 | f-a | rw------- 1 f f 64G Sep 3 13:25 .xsession-errors <-- how to avoid this |
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| 11:39.56 | f-a | (as in, is there a way to tell X "please don't mushroom .xsession-errors"?) |
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| 11:45.55 | RoyK | f-a: fixing the X problems may help ;) |
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| 11:47.36 | f-a | RoyK: that's what I will do, but still I hoped to have it configured somehow (rotate? eliminate entried older than x days, etc.) |
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| 11:49.19 | RoyK | f-a: not sure, really. there might be something in the config... https://xkcd.com/963/ |
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| 12:09.19 | hk238 | hello ^^ |
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| 12:09.53 | hk238 | i've been lookking for a distribution to switch to and was planning to try debian next, is there some recommendable branch or should I just try the default ? :d |
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| 12:10.50 | dvs | hk238, use the stable version |
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| 12:13.41 | hk238 | is the stable version what you get if you stumble onto debian.org and download something ? :D |
| 12:13.48 | Dreaman | new pc or laptop is not good stable |
| 12:14.30 | Dreaman | to old |
| 12:15.01 | subegin | use testing |
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| 12:16.14 | dvs | hk238, yes, it's the link in the top right-hand corner. |
| 12:17.18 | hk238 | oh cool, actually I didnt notice the link, but instead clicked through until there was a choice architechture (which I didnt know before googling) and then I got something with `xfce` |
| 12:18.25 | subegin | \++ |
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| 12:21.07 | hk238 | well I think it's gonna work out.... brb going to try and install ^^ |
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| 12:35.49 | tdn | I just rebooted my remote server and after this, it does not boot. I think grub may be installed on the wrong device. I can booot the server up on a rescue image, but I am not sure how to actually fix this. I hope you can help. |
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| 12:42.03 | tdn | pingveno, remember our chat a few days back about grub? I tried rebooting. It did not come up :( |
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| 13:05.01 | tdn | I got a remote KVM attached. It does come to GRUB boot menu, however, it says this when trying to boot: Loading linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 - error: invalid magic number. - Loading initial ramdisk... - error: you need to load the kernel first. |
| 13:05.12 | tdn | https://i.imgur.com/Hsn3jeL.png (screenshot) |
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| 13:05.27 | tdn | pingfloyd, remember our chat a few days back about grub? I tried rebooting. It did not come up :( |
| 13:05.35 | tdn | pingveno, sorry, it was for pingfloyd |
| 13:05.56 | RoyK | tdn: try another kernel if you have one |
| 13:06.20 | tdn | RoyK, I do not have one in the grub menu |
| 13:06.31 | tdn | RoyK, only the most recent + recovery mode. |
| 13:06.35 | tdn | Both with same kernel version. |
| 13:07.11 | RoyK | tdn: what did you do before this happened? |
| 13:08.08 | tdn | RoyK, I did an apt-get upgrade at one point. And it updated grub-pc. So then I got this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/25513/is-grub-installed-to-all-the-mbr-of-a-raid-array-by-default-by-the-debian-instal |
| 13:08.25 | tdn | RoyK, the post is not by me, but it is the same screen I got. |
| 13:08.35 | tdn | RoyK, I also selected sda and sdb. |
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| 13:13.26 | novatojessie | i have a 64 gig usb pendrive that is going to be used to store files whose size is over 5 gigabytes each. I use debian but the pendrive will be shared with a friend who uses windows10. what file system shall i use to format the pendrive? |
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| 13:16.09 | RoyK | tdn: sorry - don't know |
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| 13:26.11 | tdn | I have chrooted into my original rootfs. When I do update-grub now from inside, it says: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk. full output: http://pastebin.com/Ufafjrdz |
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| 13:27.35 | Joost | dutchfish: I ended up resolving the mess, but I had to break a few loops using `apt-get download` and `dpkg -i`.. |
| 13:27.44 | Joost | dutchfish: all's well that ends well I guess |
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| 13:28.01 | ByteStorm | hello |
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| 13:29.05 | ByteStorm | tdn: try doing cat /proc/mdstat |
| 13:29.32 | ByteStorm | and ls -la /dev/md0 |
| 13:29.53 | tdn | ByteStorm, http://pastebin.com/ut3ywSDa <-- this is from rescue system chroot |
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| 13:30.15 | ByteStorm | try this: http://www.core-admin.com/portal/kb-16052014-001-fixing-usrsbingrub-probe-error-no-such-disk-for-device-devmd0-error |
| 13:30.27 | ByteStorm | tdn ^^ |
| 13:30.53 | tdn | ByteStorm, ls: http://pastebin.com/gmn2DW7P |
| 13:32.00 | ByteStorm | maybe tht looks ok |
| 13:32.03 | tdn | ByteStorm, I did this. mdadm already installed. |
| 13:32.23 | ByteStorm | thn also?it doesnt work? |
| 13:32.33 | ByteStorm | !pastebin |
| 13:32.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 13:33.51 | ByteStorm | tdn: you can also ask in ##linux |
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| 13:34.40 | tdn | ByteStorm, https://paste.debian.net/806221/ <-- this is content of /boot/grub/device.map and then an ls inside /dev that shows that the referenced devices in device.map does not exist. However. I am unsure if this is perfectly normal as I am on the resuce system now and not the "real" system. |
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| 13:35.00 | tdn | ByteStorm, I already tried asking in ##linux |
| 13:35.13 | ByteStorm | idk,wait for the others |
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| 13:35.25 | tdn | ByteStorm, do you know about the device.map? |
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| 13:35.45 | tdn | ByteStorm, can this be due to the fact that I use lvm? |
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| 13:35.55 | ByteStorm | i had tried playing with grub b4,but i didnt face your problem |
| 13:36.07 | ByteStorm | idk tdn,i dont use lvm |
| 13:36.21 | tdn | ByteStorm, ok |
| 13:36.51 | ByteStorm | dont wrry tdn,hav some patience |
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| 13:55.50 | Lionyx | hello, I want my user to be able to write into the brightness file on /sys/class... in order to control it. If i chmod a+w, it works, but as soon as i reboot, no more permissions... is there a group I can put my user to control it? |
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| 14:14.01 | tdn | bysin, why did you have dpkg tell me about pastebin? Am I only allowed to use one of the mentioned pastebins? |
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| 14:16.29 | tdn | I am trying to do an update-initramfs, but it says: update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 has been altered. update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option. |
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| 14:16.45 | tdn | bysin, sorry that was for bytestorm |
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| 14:19.36 | malinus | Hello there. I have drivers required for my device (8812au, for the https://wikidevi.com/wiki/D-Link_DWA-172_rev_A1). But when I plug it in, dmesg only detects a high speed device. I even checked the |
| 14:19.40 | malinus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:23.29 | c23omega | hello everybody! I have a problem with the kvm kernel module (used with qemu + libvirt + openstack). when i try to start a new instance the kernel module produces an error: http://pastebin.com/qJ9aPfy6 |
| 14:23.48 | c23omega | can anybody give me a hint how i can work around this? |
| 14:24.09 | c23omega | (jessie, kernel 3.16.7) |
| 14:24.12 | tdn | Is there any way of installing an older kernel version in wheezy? I have linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 installed. I would like to install an older one. But noone seems to be available via apt-cache search |
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| 14:26.11 | tdn | I cannot boot my system, so I booted up on rescue image and then chroot into rootfs. I then tried reinstalling the kernel package. This got me these errors: https://paste.debian.net/806273/ Can this be the reason I cannot boot? |
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| 14:30.36 | stoned | I'm guessing nothing is wrong with debian, but this 8 year old machine. |
| 14:31.03 | stoned | I put in a diff video card a few days ago, it's been randomly freezing up since then (XFS too) |
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| 15:51.33 | hk238 | hello finally managed to install debian it took forever though, might have something to do with that I selected multiple desktop environments in the progress.. |
| 15:51.33 | hk238 | :D |
| 15:52.00 | hk238 | speaking of which... I can't decide which desktop environment I should be using |
| 15:52.10 | han-solo | hey, now you have them all :) |
| 15:52.28 | han-solo | which one are you familiar with? |
| 15:52.28 | hk238 | :d |
| 15:52.29 | han-solo | GNOME? |
| 15:52.47 | hk238 | Since I've been using mostly mint this far, isn't it called cinnamon? I'm not sure |
| 15:53.00 | hk238 | then I just tried Kali linux and Parrot OS and Security Onion for a short bit |
| 15:53.29 | hk238 | I'm not sure this works.. like for an example I got this applications menu in the top left now, is that specific to XCFE ? |
| 15:53.41 | rt | hi, can someone guide me on how to recursively grant folder permissions to a single user? |
| 15:53.46 | han-solo | so it doesn't really matter now, which one you choose :) |
| 15:53.56 | hk238 | oh |
| 15:54.30 | han-solo | rt: Di you checked the manpage? |
| 15:54.41 | rt | Yes, it's a bit confusing for me |
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| 15:55.08 | hk238 | Can I still install gnome though, I didnt choose that in the installation ? :o |
| 15:55.09 | han-solo | -R |
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| 15:56.02 | uniTosch | hk238: just run tasksel. |
| 15:56.34 | hk238 | what's tasksel? :o |
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| 15:57.17 | uniTosch | hk238: you can run it in a terminal. it's the same tool you see during installation. |
| 15:57.27 | hk238 | oh I see that's nice |
| 15:57.34 | hk238 | I tried running it form the application menu ^^ |
| 15:57.49 | uniTosch | i should have mentioned that :3 |
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| 15:59.40 | hk238 | hmm it doesnt seem to work though, it says debconf failed to run. Is that because I'm not logged in as root or something? |
| 15:59.51 | hk238 | oh yeah it says permission denied so that must be it |
| 16:00.36 | hk238 | hmm so this is weird, I cant apparently use the root password when logged in as a user with a specific password when trying to run something from a terminal, but when starting for an example packagemanager, it does seem to work? Is there some logic to that? :o |
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| 16:02.15 | uniTosch | not sure what you mean, but you can just type su, then the root password or install sudo. |
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| 16:03.09 | hk238 | I tried sudo, but it says the user is not listed as a sudoer.. huh? :d |
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| 16:04.47 | jelly | hk238: use "su -" to open a shell as root |
| 16:04.47 | tremon | hk238: if you provide a root password during setup, sudo is not configured automatically. use su and adduser $your_user sudo |
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| 16:05.14 | hk238 | hm :d |
| 16:05.44 | zykotick9 | hk238: note, after tremon's directions, log out and log back in to apply. |
| 16:06.29 | hk238 | does that mean the account becomes equivalent to a root account? :o |
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| 16:07.53 | tremon | not sure what you're asking exactly (which account, and following which action?), but no account is equivalent to root unless its uid is 0 |
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| 16:09.17 | hk238 | I mean like currently the root password and the user password are not the same, although I*m both accounts, but if I make the user account like, adduser to sudo, then does it mean the privileges are the same? :o |
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| 16:09.33 | jelly | hk238: no, it doesn't |
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| 16:09.52 | jelly | it does give you a different way to run stuff as root when needed |
| 16:09.53 | tremon | no. "sudo" is simply a group that allows the user to use sudo to change to any other account |
| 16:10.08 | tremon | (in the default debian configuration) |
| 16:10.25 | hk238 | hmm :d I guess I dont really understand how it works.. :D |
| 16:11.29 | uniTosch | hk238: that user gets added to the sudo group. the default sudoers file allows members of that group to use sudo. |
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| 16:13.17 | han-solo | sudo -> run privileged operation once |
| 16:13.17 | han-solo | su -> run as many as you like |
| 16:13.17 | han-solo | i didn't install sudo |
| 16:13.17 | han-solo | and if you want something like sudo, without sudo, |
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| 16:13.52 | tremon | sudo works the same as su, but allows more granular control. Also, it defaults to asking the user's password instead of root's, so if you want to use two different passwords, don't use sudo or configure it differently |
| 16:14.03 | RoyK | he was kicked ;) |
| 16:14.23 | hk238 | doh ^^ that's what you get for helping people :d |
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| 16:15.48 | hk238 | I think I might understand it a little bit better.. and also added the user to the sudo group with the command tremon mentioned or ` adduser ` |
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| 16:16.40 | han-solo | hmm? :/ |
| 16:16.51 | jelly | hk238: also, if you changed a user's group memberships, that user needs to log off and back on for changes to become active |
| 16:17.10 | hk238 | gotta set up the GUI to look nice but it takes time and have to figure out which desktop environment to start using.. am I being delusional thinking that KDE seems to have extra customizability, and gnome might be a little slow? Or at least I thought the version of Kali linux I installed was slow, and then therewas this extensions like `dash to dock` which seemed to be slowish and the OS was slow in general |
| 16:17.43 | jelly | pick whichever DE you like. |
| 16:18.30 | hk238 | I have trouble understanding what the differences are though.. and it would be troublesome to spend a many hours configuring it to note that should've gone with another DE?.. or is it more like that you can blend them together? I dont really understand how it works yet |
| 16:18.39 | han-solo | why did i get kicked? (just for the record) |
| 16:18.51 | jelly | hk238: you can try one for a couple weeks, then try a different one |
| 16:18.57 | tremon | han-solo: typing too fast |
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| 16:18.59 | han-solo | so that i can not repeat it in the future |
| 16:19.05 | jelly | han-solo: 4+ lines in quick succession |
| 16:19.10 | hk238 | yeah that's possible, but I'm not patient like that |
| 16:19.12 | hk238 | :D |
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| 16:19.18 | han-solo | ah |
| 16:19.22 | tremon | or possibly your client had issues, buffered your lines and sent them in one go |
| 16:19.31 | RoyK | dpkg: tell han-solo about pastebin |
| 16:19.34 | han-solo | nah, the former sounds about right |
| 16:19.36 | jelly | press <Enter> less, type out complete thoughts instead |
| 16:19.37 | uniTosch | casually throws awesome-wm into the pot. |
| 16:19.52 | han-solo | roger that! |
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| 16:21.31 | hk238 | is it possible to get that `hot corners` feature enabled somehow? Like is there package that I Could download? I got really used to being able to minimize the windows with bottom right corner, and it's weird if you need to use keyboard for accessing the desktop :d |
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| 16:22.28 | hk238 | customizable panels seem pretty nice :D |
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| 16:24.04 | hk238 | oh that's right, I forgot, sound isn't working.. and I should probably check the graphics drivers too, I don't even know if it's using the onboard card or the slot card, not that it makes much of a difference, they're both old, and Im not doing planning on doing anything graphics intensive |
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| 16:40.07 | ath1 | I cannot install xpra. This is what apt-get tells me when I try to: |
| 16:40.14 | ath1 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:40.14 | ath1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.14 | ath1 | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 16:40.38 | ath1 | I'm on raspbian jessie. Can anybody help me with this? |
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| 16:42.11 | JPT | ath1: Try to explicitly install that package. Either it will work or provide further error messages. :) |
| 16:42.19 | hk238 | hey is it possible to remove the floppy disk icon? |
| 16:42.19 | JPT | apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-dummy |
| 16:42.44 | elliot007 | hey i'm getting this weird black strip |
| 16:42.51 | elliot007 | http://imgur.com/a/F1YaU |
| 16:43.01 | hk238 | I mean thi scomputer is from like 2007 and it doesn't have a floppy drive, and it's 2016, I'm pretty confident I won't need it any time soon either :D I'm not trying to sound like complaining though, juts making a joke |
| 16:43.56 | ath1 | JPT: that didnt do it: |
| 16:43.57 | ath1 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:43.57 | ath1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.03 | JPT | hk238: Check your bios settings. Perhaps you did not disable the floppy interface on the mainboard. :) |
| 16:44.31 | hk238 | heh that's possible, but even if it was there, can you still the remove the ico? |
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| 16:44.56 | JPT | elliot007: Not an expert on window manager settings, but i think your window manager is responsible. Check your theme related settings? |
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| 16:45.32 | ath1 | For "apt-get install xorg-video-abi-18" the error has changed: |
| 16:45.33 | ath1 | Package xorg-video-abi-18 is a virtual package provided by: |
| 16:45.33 | ath1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:46.17 | JPT | hk238: I guess there would be a way. Depends on how that icon gets there in the first place. Unfortunately, i have no idea. I use udisks on my computer for a similar purpose. |
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| 16:46.54 | elliot007 | JPT: I'm using gnome and all the defaults are enabled gtk window and all |
| 16:47.26 | JPT | ath1: I am not sure if installing that package aswell will fix things because it sounds like you have multiple entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list (or additional ones in /etc/apt/sources.list.d), which may create a dependency hell |
| 16:48.07 | JPT | elliot007: It is about the black window top bar of the console window that currently has no focus, right? |
| 16:48.18 | dx486 | I am using Eclipse on debian jessie to learn Java. I did not install Oracle's SDK. I am using openjdk. Now I want to try JavaFX and Scene Builder. What is the proper way of getting it? |
| 16:48.45 | elliot007 | JPT: yeah |
| 16:49.54 | ath1 | JPT: In I installed xserver-xorg-core manuallyJPT I got: |
| 16:49.55 | JPT | elliot007: I have no idea if it is part of the 'default' theme for gnome ... It doesn't really look like a graphical glitch |
| 16:49.55 | ath1 | deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ jessie main ui |
| 16:50.03 | elliot007 | well i installed i3 side -by side with gnome for few days and then i removed it after that its happeninh |
| 16:50.17 | ath1 | JPT: In /etc/apt/sources.list there is: |
| 16:50.18 | ath1 | deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie main contrib non-free rpi |
| 16:50.34 | ath1 | I didnt change anything there |
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| 16:51.28 | JPT | ath1: I /assume/ that these two should not conflict with each other. Did installing the package manually help? |
| 16:51.32 | hk238 | brb changing client now that I got kvirc compiled |
| 16:51.35 | Penix | dx486: maybe openjfx |
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| 16:52.32 | elliot007 | ath1: https://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-core |
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| 16:52.48 | ath1 | JPT: no it didnt help. How can I make apt-get ignore depedencies? |
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| 16:52.59 | JPT | elliot007: It sounds like that may actually be what caused it. Perhaps i3 brought its own ... gtk? theme settings and now it looks weird within gnome. |
| 16:53.25 | elliot007 | yep but i've removed everything even lxappearance |
| 16:53.37 | elliot007 | ath1: oh sorry i send you the debian one |
| 16:54.06 | ath1 | elliot007: dont bother, I managed to install this package manually |
| 16:54.18 | elliot007 | oh cool then |
| 16:54.26 | ath1 | but I still cannot install xpra |
| 16:55.32 | elliot007 | ath1: found this |
| 16:55.35 | elliot007 | http://blog.pi3g.com/2014/04/compiling-xpra-for-the-raspberry-pi/ |
| 16:57.07 | ath1 | hmm, compiling myself |
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| 16:57.21 | ath1 | I hoped to get around this |
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| 17:00.25 | stoned | io |
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| 17:06.02 | cakruege | hi |
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| 17:06.36 | cakruege | I'm looking for debian on cubox-1. https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/CuBox |
| 17:06.47 | cakruege | I found the page but have no debian image to start from |
| 17:06.55 | cakruege | the files on solidrun are gone |
| 17:07.20 | cakruege | does anyone has an idea how to bootstrap? |
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| 17:09.03 | meowshwitz | cakruege: #cubox |
| 17:09.26 | meowshwitz | I should find something to do with my cubox |
| 17:10.35 | cakruege | @meoshwitz: thx, I |
| 17:10.41 | cakruege | I'll try |
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| 17:13.57 | choice | Hello! I still try to repair my Grub config after it was destroyed during an "apt-get update". |
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| 17:14.29 | choice | Looking at a similar machine, I wonder why there is nothing about encryption in the grub.cfg |
| 17:14.59 | choice | How does Grub handle encryption? Which option triggers the user to ask for a password and then decrypt the encrypted partition? |
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| 17:15.52 | choice | Or is there more to the boot partition? Is it a whole OS so to say and loads dm-crypt via some other config files? |
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| 17:28.45 | choice | Ok, guess I have to wipe that machine and reinstall. |
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| 17:29.10 | choice | Is there a way to install multiple OSes on a machine without them sharing the same boot partition? |
| 17:29.18 | choice | So I don't run into this problem again? |
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| 17:29.46 | SlazO | hello |
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| 17:30.31 | choice | hi SlazO |
| 17:31.03 | SlazO | does anyone have experience running Debian Jessie on a ThinkPad X240 or T440? |
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| 17:31.36 | missmbob | !anyone |
| 17:31.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 17:32.30 | eclipsespark | choice you can create a separate boot partition for each system or leave the /boot folder in the root partition without making a dedicated one, but on legacy systems there will be only one master boot record per disk, so only the bootloader of one of them can be used to start your computer, on uefi systems you can have multiple bootloaders too |
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| 17:32.53 | choice | eclipsespark: This is an uefi system. |
| 17:33.05 | jelly | SlazO: see if there's something matching at https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/ |
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| 17:34.12 | choice | eclipsespark: How can I install Linux so it does not share anything (mbr,boot,...) with the other linux versions on my machine? |
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| 17:35.57 | eclipsespark | your machine have a uefi partition (flagged as esd), it contains the EFI folder which is used to store the bootloaders of every system in your computer, they are stored inside individual folders so that no one touches the other, so if you install several distributions each in a dedicated partition, then they are going to have a dedicated folder for their bootloader |
| 17:37.44 | SlazO | jelly: Thanks. X240 seems good but man, that touchpad..:( I've got a T430 at work and its awesome |
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| 17:37.53 | choice | eclipsespark: Interesting. How do I find that uefi partition? gparted shows no such flag for any of my partitions. |
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| 17:40.02 | bmomjian1 | I need to reformat my boot partition. Should I boot from a live image or an install image to do the mkfs, etc.? |
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| 17:45.16 | remote | does anything use the boot partition when your system is up? |
| 17:45.50 | bmomjian1 | the root and boot partition are the same. |
| 17:46.13 | rozie | this will be reinstall |
| 17:46.24 | rozie | and no, you don't need reformat |
| 17:46.28 | rozie | what is your problem? |
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| 17:47.00 | bmomjian1 | uh, not really, I am going to boot from media, copy to another drive, mkfs, copy back, update fstab, do grub-install and grub-update, then reboot |
| 17:47.16 | bmomjian1 | what media should I boot from, live or install Debian media? |
| 17:47.34 | bmomjian1 | how do I exit the install media to get to a prompt? |
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| 17:49.28 | init7 | is debian unstable something like rollin release ? |
| 17:50.09 | Gabs5807 | bmomjian1: during install you have more virtuell ttys. |
| 17:50.19 | eclipsespark | debian unstable (sid) and debian testing (stretch) are full rolling release distributions |
| 17:51.33 | Gabs5807 | you also have a line to execute a shell during installation - you have to scroll down .. |
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| 17:52.20 | eclipsespark | or crtl+alt+f2 and ctrl+alt+f3 |
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| 17:52.49 | eclipsespark | while ctrl+alt+f1 contains the debian installer and ctrl+alt+f4 contains the output of the debian installer log |
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| 17:53.28 | Gabs5807 | but the installer first must find the disks (detecting hardware) .. |
| 17:53.30 | init7 | eclipsespark: thank you |
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| 17:54.29 | malinus | I appear drivers required for my device (8812au, for the https://wikidevi.com/wiki/D-Link_DWA-172_rev_A1). But when I plug it in, dmesg only detects a high speed device. I even checked the rtl8812au/os_dep/linux/usb_intf.c before building the kernel (ARMv7 3.10.y) |
| 17:54.35 | malinus | and I can see the 2001:3318 of the devices driver before compiling. Still nothing happens. Are there other places in the kernel where the usb_id<->driver is linked? Or could it be something else? |
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| 17:54.44 | bmomjian1 | so you are saying a live cd is best? |
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| 17:55.24 | eclipsespark | init7, if you need a rolling release distro i suggest you to use testing instead of unstable as it is more suitable for a daily use, debian unstable is better if you are a debian maintainer/developer with the need to test the last updates before make them enter the testing repo |
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| 17:56.05 | bmomjian1 | a shell is what I want |
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| 17:56.37 | Gabs5807 | if you have one. i think the live cd has a also a grafical frontend ;-) |
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| 17:56.48 | eclipsespark | bmomjian1 then type ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 17:56.57 | bmomjian1 | ok, thanks |
| 17:57.05 | bmomjian1 | I saw this: Just boot the installer with "rescue" and follow the prompts until it mounts your hard disk and gives you a shell chrooted into your system. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ |
| 17:59.46 | zykotick9 | eclipsespark: init7 i'd say neither testing or unstable are "rolling releases" a) they aren't released (they're the development branches of stable) and b) <frozen> and <slushy> factoids |
| 18:01.07 | init7 | zykotick9: thank you |
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| 18:02.01 | Gabs5807 | bmomjian1: this is not the best way for copiing the disks, because your shell is chrooted on the source system. |
| 18:02.08 | eclipsespark | well, if you take "release" in that meaning then you are true, but debian testing is still suitable for daily use, and i've found it more reliable than arch |
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| 18:03.09 | zykotick9 | eclipsespark: ymmv... i don't consider testing "usable" for daily use (i want my systems to work 100% of the time) so it's not suitable for me... but there are other use cases out there |
| 18:03.13 | Gabs5807 | you also can install a generic debian on an usb stick and boot this system. |
| 18:04.25 | Gabs5807 | then you always have your own rescue system :-) |
| 18:04.39 | zykotick9 | eclipsespark: <sidenote> later today i do plan on downgrading a stable install to testing - to play with some new emulators... but i _do_ consider it a downgrade, that i'll be required to reinstall stable on when it breaks |
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| 18:05.47 | eclipsespark | zykotick9 and what do you think of other derivative distributions based on the testing branch which clone the entire testing repo and stabilize/test it autonomously? i.e. merging their testing branch into their stable one only if the testing snapshot works with most of the common configurations |
| 18:06.37 | bmomjian1 | Gabs5807: understood that chroot is not going to work; I guess live cd is best |
| 18:06.42 | eclipsespark | of course this scenario is neither suitable for workstations nor for servers or deployment infrastructures |
| 18:06.43 | zykotick9 | eclipsespark: to be honest... i don't really care what the derivatives do... i choose to run debian for a reason ;) |
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| 18:07.13 | Gabs5807 | yes i think so. |
| 18:07.24 | eclipsespark | zykotick9 don't take it as a sort of flame, i was just curious |
| 18:07.52 | bmomjian1 | abs5807: thanks |
| 18:08.44 | bmomjian1 | Gabs5807: thanks |
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| 18:09.29 | Gabs5807 | bmomjian1: you should use a live system which have the equal version as the system you want to copy. |
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| 18:11.36 | bmomjian1 | right, I have downloaded 8.5.0 cdrom live image already, so I will burn that. |
| 18:11.42 | bmomjian1 | good point on the matching |
| 18:11.52 | bmomjian1 | because I am using mkfs and other tools from the live cd |
| 18:11.52 | heller_ | do you guys have good tips on how to shrink an image? |
| 18:12.10 | heller_ | raspberry pi image takes over 7Gb but its about a 1Gb |
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| 18:12.13 | Gabs5807 | then mounting the needed filesystems like /proc, /sys, /dev, .. with the bind option and running the grub installer on the target system should make no problem. |
| 18:12.30 | dx486 | I am using debian jessie and I am trying to learn java and javafx. I have openjdk-8-jdk and openjfx 8 installed via jessie-backports. Now I am trying to install e(fx)clipse to Eclipse 3.8.1.7 (this comes with Jessie). however installation fails because of dependency problem. I think it requires Eclipse 4.6. It is not in the backports. What can you suggest to me? |
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| 18:15.58 | hamsheet | hey guys i got a dual band usb wireless adapter but it is not showing up, i have the realtek firmware installed, anything else i need to do? |
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| 18:16.47 | bmomjian1 | Gabs5807: agreed, here is the cheat sheet I have developed after some research: http://momjian.us/tmp/ext4.txt |
| 18:17.07 | bmomjian1 | I thought this would be a more common operation. |
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| 18:17.41 | choice | Are you guys sure my Grug uses any grub.cfg at all? Because I cannot find any grub.cfg on my computer that resembles what I see on startup. Maybe on EFI systems other config files are used? |
| 18:20.27 | mtn | choice: only one linux distro on your system? |
| 18:20.52 | choice | mtn: No, several. |
| 18:21.15 | Gabs5807 | bmomjian1: shiuld work. on /dev/disk/by-uuid/ you see the uuids of the filesystems. so you can change the fstab on the target system directly after copiing. |
| 18:21.17 | mtn | choice: which grub is controlling boot? which distros? |
| 18:21.47 | choice | mtn: Several linux distros. IDK which grub is controlling boot. How do I check? |
| 18:21.59 | mtn | choice: any chance you removed the one that had the grub you are seeing? |
| 18:22.13 | choice | mtn: removed what? |
| 18:22.19 | mtn | choice: the distro |
| 18:22.53 | choice | mtn: I ran "apt-get update" in one of the distros and that changed everything quite a bit. |
| 18:23.13 | choice | mtn: One of the distros disappeared fro the boot menu. An encrypted one. |
| 18:23.22 | mtn | choice: if you want to make sure one specific grub.cfg is being used, reinstall grub from that distro |
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| 18:23.27 | zykotick9 | choice: _probably_ which ever distro you installed last, is controlling grub. you might want to look into running grub-install and grub-update from the one you want to be using... best of luck. |
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| 18:24.21 | choice | zykotick9: Running grub-install from the one I want to use (the encryped one. I have to chroot into it to access it since it does not boot anymore) gives me an error. |
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| 18:25.36 | zykotick9 | choice: so long as you chroot properly... it should still be able to grub install/update. not sure why you encrypted install is broken however? <- could the two issue be related? |
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| 18:26.13 | choice | zykotick9: The encrypted install is fine. But I cannot boot into it, since I ran "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" in one of the unencrypted ones. |
| 18:26.25 | choice | zykotick9: One moment, I will try install-grub and tell you the error... |
| 18:27.04 | zykotick9 | choice: note, i had a quick look at my /etc/default/grub and i certainly do see anything encrypted/lvm (which i'm using) related in there... just sayin' |
| 18:27.17 | zykotick9 | s/do/do not/ <- sorry |
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| 18:28.16 | choice | zykotick9: Running "grub-install /dev/sda" gives me this: Installing for x86_64-efi platform. grub-install.real: error: cannot find EFI directory. |
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| 18:29.14 | zykotick9 | choice: sorry, i know NOTHING of efi... good luck! |
| 18:29.34 | choice | Guess I have to wipe the machine and install from scratch. |
| 18:29.37 | asarch | Where do you configure pulseaudio in stable? |
| 18:30.02 | mtn | asarch: install pavucontrol |
| 18:30.40 | asarch | Thank you mtn |
| 18:30.47 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
| 18:31.22 | mtn | asarch: :) |
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| 19:15.56 | sysadmin | hello people |
| 19:16.10 | sysadmin | I would like to install the minimal GUI possible for debian in a VM |
| 19:16.25 | sysadmin | what can I chose from kde, lxde and xfce? |
| 19:16.39 | sysadmin | lxde should be the lightest, hence the name, right? |
| 19:16.57 | awal1 | sysadmin, lxde is the lightest DE available in debian |
| 19:17.19 | mtn | sysadmin: window managers are lighter yet |
| 19:17.32 | awal1 | probably you may want only a WM, I suggest you openbox |
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| 19:24.38 | sysadmin | like installing the netinstall and then adding a WM on top? |
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| 19:24.40 | mtn | sysadmin: yes |
| 19:24.40 | awal1 | I find openbox the most powerful and the most gtk/qt/icccm-ewmh compliant/compatible |
| 19:24.40 | sysadmin | awal1: I will not have a desktop environment like with icons of course, right? |
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| 19:24.42 | awal1 | sysadmin, openbox is very extensible; you can achive almost all what you want |
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| 19:24.44 | awal1 | openboxbox is just a proposition; of course you have a lot of WM in debian (fluxbox, fvwm...) |
| 19:24.45 | awal1 | ,v lxqt |
| 19:24.45 | judd | Package: lxqt on amd64 -- sid: 4; stretch: 4 |
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| 19:26.09 | sysadmin | awal1: openbox seems fun! I'm trying it ;) |
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| 19:28.01 | awal1 | sysadmin, you will have to tweak it for get it nicer and complete. |
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| 19:29.11 | awal1 | but A vs B is offtopic here. the end suggestion is try and choose :P |
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| 19:47.23 | iKarith | Hey all, is it presently possible to install Debian encrypted spinning platter and use a SSD for faster reads/writes? I'm only vaguely sure how this is done, so I'd prefer to do it at install time. I just don't know if jessie comes with a new enough kernel to do it. |
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| 19:47.48 | iKarith | Or if the installer supports the mapper layer cake needed to pull it off. |
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| 19:49.03 | sideup66 | hey room, can anyone help me with this or have an easy way, im trying to setup a virtualmachine i had configured in vboxheadless to autostart at system boot, it does some background tasks that unfortunately require windows and wine wasnt working, is there an easy way to configure it? im reading from google about configuring a custom service but is that necessary? I have the vboxheadless command.... |
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| 19:50.09 | iKarith | sideup66: I've done some virtualization, but I'm no expert at all with wine. What're you trying to accomplish? |
| 19:51.36 | smdrz | any advise on choosing filesystem for removable hard disk? |
| 19:51.42 | sideup66 | in short, the final solution i went to on my program situation was to just virtualize it, so i setup virtualbox from debian repos with a vm, and want to autostart this vm at startup, and preferebly have it shut down gracefully so it doesnt make windows break somehow down the line |
| 19:51.45 | iKarith | Most of my virtualization has been VMWare, but I've occasionally have had to dink with VPC images. |
| 19:52.06 | iKarith | smdrz: Will the HD be shared with non-Linux systems? |
| 19:52.06 | sideup66 | like if the system was going down, it should let the vm shut down |
| 19:52.44 | smdrz | Nope, not on planning to |
| 19:53.05 | iKarith | smdrz: Well then, ext4 is the standard filesystem for a reason. :) |
| 19:53.06 | smdrz | but will be shared amoung some friends |
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| 19:53.21 | smdrz | who are using linux |
| 19:53.43 | iKarith | Mount it in fstab using UUID rather than device name. |
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| 19:54.28 | iKarith | Might want to make it user-mountable unless you're using udisks(2) or something. |
| 19:54.39 | smdrz | iKarith: how does XFS do for removable drive? |
| 19:55.02 | iKarith | About as well as for a fixed one. |
| 19:55.39 | iKarith | I don't know the extend xfs journals, that's always the issue. |
| 19:55.40 | jim | I'm trying to get the source and install the build deps for python-certbot which I believe is in jessie-backports, I'm having trouble getting the source and the build deps... my sources.list is at... http://termbin.com/rr1c |
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| 19:56.42 | iKarith | Oracle has not seen fit to make zfs properly free. :( |
| 19:56.56 | jim | I don't actually need to build it, I guess I could install the backport, I think I was having trouble with that too... can someone help me troubleshoot? |
| 19:58.15 | jim | wait I think I got it |
| 19:58.28 | uniTosch | jim: you are missing the deb-src line for jessie-backports, also mixing distributions and different releases is a terrible idea. |
| 19:58.28 | iKarith | jim: behold the problem-solving power of #debian(!) |
| 19:59.17 | smdrz | jim: used to install packages with this apt preference ,but reverted to offical ones |
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| 19:59.43 | smdrz | mixxx and some audio apps clashes |
| 19:59.48 | jim | uniTosch, it looks like I'm mixing, but mostly just getting sources |
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| 20:01.50 | jim | uniTosch, ok, I must have forgotten those |
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| 20:02.38 | jim | smdrz, I'm using a ported version of cadence, which is a jackd starter and manager... plus it has a couple cool apps |
| 20:04.02 | smdrz | i use it too, but the static version |
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| 20:05.29 | jim | what I did was got the cadence debianized source and built the packages, which worked perfectly, it produced a handful of .debs |
| 20:05.46 | smdrz | iKarith: does ext4 do well for failing disks(identifying bad blocks) |
| 20:06.29 | iKarith | smdrz: Nothing really does well for failing disks I find. :/ |
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| 20:07.22 | smdrz | jim: ok, coming to the issue, tried using pip |
| 20:07.33 | iKarith | smdrz: Checking something that may be relevant |
| 20:07.48 | smdrz | iKarith: well time to buy new one. |
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| 20:10.27 | iKarith | smdrz: there's some argument for ext3 over ext4 for an external drive being able to cope with unintended unmounts. |
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| 20:15.30 | iKarith | smdrz: Maybe that can be affected by tune2fs settings |
| 20:16.46 | smdrz | iKarith, will look into it |
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| 20:16.50 | jim | smdrz, I must have activated jessie-backports in my sources.list, I was able to get the packages (there were about 20) |
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| 20:17.52 | jim | smdrz, I use a "template" of sources.list, called sources.list.m4 which I maintain by hand |
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| 20:18.27 | iKarith | smdrz: Really the major advantage of xfs is that it's designed for huge files and filesystems. So it's pretty good for video files I guess, but nobody's got video files that really reach the limits of ext4, and few have filesystems bigger than ext4 is quite comfortable with. |
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| 20:23.24 | binaryc | n |
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| 20:23.52 | jenia | hello |
| 20:24.31 | jenia | did anyone managed to install debian on a nice tablet? :) |
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| 20:25.04 | iKarith | jenia: I haven't, but send me a nice tablet and I'll be happy to do so ;) |
| 20:25.31 | jenia | iKarith, I have two questions with regards to this: |
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| 20:26.10 | jenia | 1. can you boot from a usb on a tablet? I'm not sure but maybe you can't access the bios or change the boot sequence |
| 20:26.30 | Nennala | Hello, did somebody here have the problem with a FocalTech touchpas and a lost of sync ? |
| 20:26.39 | jenia | 2. tablets use some weird processors. can you install debian on these architectures? |
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| 20:27.19 | iKarith | jenia: By weird you generally mean armhf and arm64. |
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| 20:28.33 | jenia | iKarith, yes |
| 20:29.42 | iKarith | jenia: You might look into Linux on Windows RT devices. They're cheap because nobody wants Windows RT. Android is already a Linux kernel, so it's just a matter of getting the Linux you want on them rather than the one it comes with. |
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| 20:33.11 | iKarith | Most of the info out there says the Surface RT will not run Linux, but it's also dated heavily. |
| 20:35.28 | iKarith | It was supposed to be not possible, but that might've changed recently when Microsoft's keys got leaked. ;) |
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| 20:46.32 | jenia | iKarith, what about this problem: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/15/windows_fix_closes_rt_unlock_loophole/ |
| 20:46.33 | jenia | ? |
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| 20:48.24 | Putti | jenia, there is bunch of allwinner tablets that work with debian: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner .. Unfortunately I don't have one of those so now I'm porting debian to work on mine |
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| 20:49.09 | iKarith | jenia: They can't fix it really. The old version has to be usable or all the recovery tools break. |
| 20:49.26 | iKarith | It just becomes a two-step exploit now. :) |
| 20:50.26 | jenia | iKarith, so what would be the first step then? Downgrade the OS or something? |
| 20:52.39 | iKarith | smdrz: You can use tune2fs to disable write caching on the ext4 filesystem. Writes will be slower, but that plus journaling will improve fault tolerance greatly. |
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| 21:30.44 | sideup66 | well that was a waste |
| 21:30.46 | sideup66 | asked vbox room |
| 21:30.49 | sideup66 | oh go ask debian |
| 21:30.50 | sideup66 | wtf |
| 21:31.12 | bmomjian1 | Gabs5807: I use file -sL to see the file system uuid |
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| 21:38.58 | HeXiLeD | i am stuck here dpkg --configure -a |
| 21:39.00 | HeXiLeD | Setting up binfmt-support (2.1.5-1) |
| 21:39.16 | sideup66 | hmm |
| 21:39.23 | HeXiLeD | for quite a long time and not able to configure or remove or delete or install anything else. |
| 21:39.28 | HeXiLeD | any ideas ? |
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| 21:43.11 | sideup66 | HeXiLeD, do you see any signs of cpu/disk activity? |
| 21:43.15 | sideup66 | htop or iotop? |
| 21:43.28 | HeXiLeD | there is a high usage of init -z |
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| 21:49.30 | HeXiLeD | i also booted an old vm install to test things and seem i cannot update/install anything http://dpaste.com/0K9VFWS |
| 21:49.48 | HeXiLeD | what might i not be seeing ? |
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| 21:52.06 | bolt | HeXiLeD: change your sources.list to http |
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| 21:52.30 | bolt | HeXiLeD: unless there's a very specific reason to use https. the packages are signed anyway |
| 21:52.41 | HeXiLeD | i just added the ones in the example https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 21:52.58 | HeXiLeD | same problem |
| 21:53.03 | bolt | none of those use https |
| 21:53.30 | missmbob | mirrors.kernel.org does if you want to use that mirror |
| 21:54.00 | HeXiLeD | well i am not using https |
| 21:54.05 | bolt | HeXiLeD: got anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/? |
| 21:54.20 | HeXiLeD | nothing |
| 21:55.23 | bolt | what happens if you attempt to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ with, say, curl on that box? is something redirecting you? |
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| 21:58.46 | HeXiLeD | dotn have curl there but wget fetched .html |
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| 22:03.18 | tomreyn | bolt: doh that's a really old kernel you have there |
| 22:03.33 | tomreyn | bolt: if you like, show the output of: apt-cache policy |
| 22:03.36 | missmbob | it's jessie's kernel |
| 22:03.40 | missmbob | you know...stable |
| 22:03.53 | tomreyn | built 2015-02-03 |
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| 22:03.58 | missmbob | yeah. jessie |
| 22:04.06 | tomreyn | that's not the latest kernel build for jessie for sure |
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| 22:04.07 | iKarith | Besides the encrypted and cached Jessie install for the Core i7 I'm picking up tomorrow, I've got another problem I'm working on: I'm going to be trying to build customized "appliance", and ideally if I can build the base only once (twice actually, amd64 and i686), that'd be ideal. The end result should be a hard drive image that can be run on real hardware or under either vmware or virtualbox. |
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| 22:04.27 | missmbob | tomreyn: it is for most people. you can add jessie-backports repository if you need |
| 22:04.30 | iKarith | I don't really have a "question" yet about this, but I think I've identified a few of the problems I'm going to face building it. |
| 22:05.27 | tomreyn | missmbob: version yes, patchlevel no |
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| 22:05.44 | iKarith | First is that I'll need to install tools for vmware and virtualbox and have them do their thing if you're running under those hosts, or nothing if you're not. I think each separately handles virtual vs. real hardware, but I don't know if they'll try to clobber each other. |
| 22:06.35 | missmbob | tomreyn: you're wrong |
| 22:06.36 | tomreyn | HeXiLeD: what i accidentially addressed to bolt above (sorry bolt), was actually meant for you. |
| 22:07.12 | tomreyn | missmbob: how do you know? |
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| 22:07.26 | missmbob | tomreyn: because i'm looking up the information instead of talking out of my ass |
| 22:07.27 | iKarith | Second is booting on real hardware. Safe to assume i686 will use BIOS and a typical DOS MBR with grub installed and everything. There were a few post-Pentium 4 systems that shipped with EFI like the first Intel Macs, but AFAIK all of those will boot off a MBR-formatted drive in some emulation fallback. |
| 22:07.36 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/1ZYP0Z1 tomreyn |
| 22:07.42 | tomreyn | missmbob: heh you're a little rough aren't you |
| 22:08.10 | missmbob | tomreyn: if you cant give proper answers dont "guess". doesn't help anyone |
| 22:08.16 | tomreyn | HeXiLeD: thanks. that's short indeed. you got no package sources. |
| 22:08.18 | iKarith | The 32 bit EFI Macs required you install Boot Camp to do it, but if someone's trying to do that we can walk them through it. |
| 22:09.18 | HeXiLeD | tomreyn: can i add them manually ? |
| 22:09.52 | iKarith | amd64 is a little harder.. The question is can I come up with some way to set it up so that it'll do the right thing depending on your system on amd64? |
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| 22:14.28 | Fjorgynn | what is a samba domain controller ? |
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| 22:15.06 | dolapevich | Fjorgynn: A samba instance configured to work as a domain controller :) |
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| 22:15.18 | dolapevich | domain controller is a M$ concept. |
| 22:15.36 | Guest48576 | hello |
| 22:15.42 | dolapevich | Hello there. |
| 22:15.46 | vic | hi |
| 22:15.53 | Fjorgynn | but what is it good for? |
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| 22:16.05 | Fjorgynn | saving all my documents on a server? |
| 22:17.01 | dolapevich | Fjorgynn: No clue, I know that it used to be needed to allow unified Windows logins |
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| 22:17.41 | dolapevich | your win machine used to login into the domain controller, that set the perms in the whole network, I thin it is still used to deploy policies in client machines |
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| 22:18.06 | dolapevich | but I am not sure what changes appeared with the active directory |
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| 22:18.28 | dolapevich | in short, it allows to manage a windows network as a whole. |
| 22:18.40 | dolapevich | Be carefull to not mistake the "domain" part with a dns domain |
| 22:18.49 | Fjorgynn | aha |
| 22:19.08 | Fjorgynn | No I only know that we are using an active directory at work |
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| 22:22.49 | dolapevich | yeah, active directory is an ldap server, and acts as the authentication backend for the PDC = Primary domain controller. |
| 22:24.17 | dolapevich | I a client is logged into the domain a single time, and uses a profile in active diectory for machine authentication. the PDC admin can set policies to the client, and let it do things, print, share authentication etc |
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| 22:25.08 | dolapevich | samba used to be capable of acting like a PDC, I am not sure if that is still possible. M$ didnt want it and there were some issues. |
| 22:25.40 | Lionyx | Hello. I'm running an image of debian on sdcard from a cromebook. Kernel is 3.4 and I get no sound or touchpad mouse. Anybody able to help me? |
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| 22:26.43 | missmbob | that's wheezy. you should upgrade to jessie and maybe the new kernel will help |
| 22:27.19 | missmbob | !tell Lionyx -about wheezy->jessie |
| 22:27.34 | Lionyx | well, actually it's jessie. |
| 22:27.48 | missmbob | 3.4 is wheezy. how'd that happen? |
| 22:28.01 | Lionyx | noooo idea |
| 22:28.15 | appas | Lionyx: look into the touchpad make, you might get help from the package synaptic, and/or libinput |
| 22:28.23 | Lionyx | jessie repo on i guess |
| 22:28.25 | missmbob | you certainly dont have full jessie. you can follow the bot's instructions or pastebin your sources.list |
| 22:29.29 | Lionyx | there are lots of packages that needs newer udev and the udev needs something from kernel that isn't compiled. And I cant manage to find or be able to install another kernel. :( |
| 22:29.30 | dolapevich | there is a bunch of information about debian and chromebooks in the internet |
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| 22:29.51 | missmbob | yeah, because you didnt dist-upgrade to jessie properly |
| 22:30.02 | dolapevich | https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=chromebook+debian+touchpad |
| 22:30.57 | Lionyx | the problem is there's a bunch of different chromebook hardware... I'm on a armhf one. |
| 22:31.00 | Lionyx | from samsung |
| 22:32.12 | Lionyx | I already have drivers from xorg synaptics, a xorg.conf entry and nothing happens, I noticed that when i wanted to install gpm (the mouse for console), the installer complained not being able to find a /dev/input/mice our /dev/mouse |
| 22:32.23 | zinx | you can compile an armhf kernel from a i686/amd64 debian machine |
| 22:32.29 | Aorious | Hi, is it possible to combine wget and dpkg or gdebi, so that mktemp is not needed? |
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| 22:33.34 | Lionyx | zinx: that's new to me |
| 22:33.34 | HeXiLeD | 2 debian OS stuck. one installing and the other with anything./ bloody hell. How can i force dpkg remove-essential to remove the package stuck ? |
| 22:34.13 | unborn | Lionyx: it would be stupid but I am going to ask - is your standard debian image working on ; chrome-what ever -hw you go? |
| 22:34.22 | Lionyx | zinx: also, is it possible to get the image of the kernel ready to dd into my booting partition? |
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| 22:34.47 | zinx | Lionyx: you can pull the zImage out of the build |
| 22:34.53 | Lionyx | unborn: i have the image gotten from the wiki debian chromebook arm samsung tutorial. that's kinda working |
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| 22:35.55 | Lionyx | zinx: is there a "how to"? |
| 22:36.04 | zinx | Lionyx: uhm, dunno! |
| 22:36.28 | zinx | Lionyx: but the basic idea is make ARCH=arm instead of make :/ |
| 22:36.31 | dolapevich | Aorious: What are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 22:38.25 | Aorious | dolapevich, Install packages via wget, without creating a temporary directory to store the files, before using dpkg -i. |
| 22:39.05 | unborn | Lionyx: that is the - why - I asked :) sorry chap but I can support only official iso here..chromebooks are novadays like samsung or lg or other crap.. each manufacturers have its own crap to load.. so - give out the link you do have for your chromebook - the offical one - the debian one :) - thanks. |
| 22:39.11 | Aorious | Can I use pipe packages into dpkg or gdebi, from strout? |
| 22:41.07 | dolapevich | dpkg can download from the internet, I think |
| 22:41.07 | dpkg | i don't know, dolapevich |
| 22:41.24 | tomreyn | missmbob: so, to continue our lovely conversation from earlier... the latest build of 3.6.17 for stable dates back to april 04 this year (stable-updates, to be precise there is a later stable-security build). |
| 22:41.30 | dolapevich | let me try... |
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| 22:41.46 | Lionyx | In this chromebook sd installs, there's no grub, right? vmlinuz is dd(ed) to the boot partition, and that's it? |
| 22:42.45 | unborn | :D well that said a lot..so there is maybe no chromebook at all.. |
| 22:42.46 | tomreyn | missmbob: i did not appreciate you calling me wrong in an aggressive fashion, without providing any resources to back up that claim. so here is mine: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/l/linux/jessie-updates_changelog |
| 22:42.50 | unborn | just a spam |
| 22:43.30 | unborn | tomreyn: that is kind of normal here.. you will get used to it |
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| 22:44.03 | Lionyx | I'm asking because I see no reason why /boot should be in a separate partition in this case. |
| 22:44.36 | tomreyn | i've been around for a while, seen this happen before but i like this channel to have a more positive athmosphere than it sometimes has, so it's good to discuss this. |
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| 22:46.51 | tomreyn | HeXiLeD: since you said you have added some lines to /etc/apt/sources.list, however apt-get update fails to update due to this https issue, and thus you can't seem to activate any sources. that's a bit of a circular dependency you have there. |
| 22:47.07 | dolapevich | Aorious: dpkg takes a file |
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| 22:48.57 | tomreyn | HeXiLeD: And I'm afraid I dopn't know how to fix an apt in this state. Maybe clearing the apt package cache state would help, not sure. |
| 22:49.29 | HeXiLeD | i have another problem in the other machine. Ican take care of this later. |
| 22:49.37 | HeXiLeD | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 22:49.39 | tomreyn | hehe, good luck |
| 22:49.41 | HeXiLeD | need to get rid of this |
| 22:49.52 | tomreyn | and running this does what? |
| 22:50.05 | HeXiLeD | the package that tries to configure gets stuck and i dont need it. |
| 22:50.22 | tomreyn | then dpkg --purge it |
| 22:50.27 | HeXiLeD | just want to get rid of it |
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| 22:51.21 | tomreyn | then apt-get -f install |
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| 22:52.12 | HeXiLeD | dang.. i always get stuff with this package binfmt-support |
| 22:52.18 | HeXiLeD | stays there forever |
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| 22:53.13 | HeXiLeD | cant even abort it. have the kill the pids |
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| 22:54.58 | Lionyx | I remember when installing from scratch that I was prompted if I wanted to get my user to be an admin. How to i set it manually? |
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| 22:56.39 | Aorious | dolapevich, Does it take a package or URLs. How? |
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| 22:57.26 | sideup66 | hey room |
| 22:57.44 | tomreyn | Lionyx: i assume what you are trying to do is to be able to run administrative commands as your standard user using sudo |
| 22:57.56 | sideup66 | i got my autostart working, but here is another question, is there a way at shutdown to have a command issued, it seems that when the os shuts down, its not issueing my virtualbox autostart service a stop control |
| 22:58.11 | tomreyn | Lionyx: if so, try this: sudo adduser YOURUSEWRNAMEGOESHERE sudo # and then logout and login again. |
| 23:00.23 | mtcj | If you just add yourself to the wheel group I want to say that's sufficient to get sudo privileges. |
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| 23:01.48 | Lionyx | tomreyn: tks but no. I'm trying to write on something inside /sys/class without having sudo. Like I do in my home desktop |
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| 23:02.54 | mtcj | Lionyx do you want to just have root privileges all the time? |
| 23:03.13 | mtcj | Or perhaps privs for that file all the time? |
| 23:03.51 | Lionyx | mtcj: only to that file |
| 23:04.24 | Lionyx | but it is in /sys, so chmod is not permanent |
| 23:05.12 | Lionyx | well. I'll do some reboots.. tks anyways guys |
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| 23:05.55 | mtcj | I'm not sure how to accomplish that right now. |
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| 23:08.15 | bolt | just write a script to do it and put it in sudoers as executable by whatever user you want? |
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| 23:18.36 | mtcj | Ah good idea |
| 23:20.07 | mtcj | I forgot how powerful sudoers is |
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| 23:27.46 | awal1 | I want to create a keyboard shortcut which send X window app from monitor 1 to monitor 2? |
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| 23:28.12 | awal1 | How to do that? |
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| 23:30.01 | awal1 | when one drags x window app from monitor 1 to monitor 2, what happens in the background? which system components are involved in that process? |
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| 23:30.34 | awal1 | if I understand that, I may be able to create a keyboard shortcut |
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| 23:44.45 | neilthereildeil | i just built a custom kernel |
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| 23:45.07 | neilthereildeil | how can i rerun the correct scripts to build my fglrx proprietary driver? |
| 23:46.12 | neilthereildeil | im following this: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
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| 23:46.35 | neilthereildeil | but when i try to install fglrx-modules-dkms and fglrx-driver, it says they are already installed |
| 23:46.43 | neilthereildeil | yes they are installed, but for a different kernel... |
| 23:46.59 | Whitelye | anyone know why I might get this error on apt-get update? Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.FailedToSetup: Failed to setup environment correctly |
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| 23:51.17 | Whitelye | I having package management issues with a kali image on android using linuxdeploy. Anyone familiar with this? |
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| 23:51.30 | missmbob | !kali |
| 23:51.30 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 23:51.34 | Kwll | Hello |
| 23:51.50 | frzr | !bali |
| 23:51.59 | Kwll | is this debian support chat? |
| 23:52.16 | missmbob | yes |
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| 23:52.37 | Kwll | awesome |
| 23:53.02 | Kwll | how do I go about getting the firmware for my wireless |
| 23:53.20 | missmbob | which wireless? lspci -nn and pastebin the output |
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| 23:56.51 | Kwll | pastebin |
| 23:56.56 | Kwll | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6230 [Rainbow Peak] [8086:0091] (rev 34) 04:00.0 USB controller [0c03]: NEC Corporation uPD720200 USB 3.0 Host Controller [1033:0194] (rev 04) 0a:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06) |
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| 23:57.21 | Kwll | ethernet got installed...lol but it said i needed non free firmware for my wireless |
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| 23:57.40 | Kwll | was an idoit and didnt write it down....was wondering if there is a error log from the install |
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| 23:59.28 | missmbob | Kwll: you also didn't do what i said. paste the entire output to https://paste.debian.net |
