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| 00:06.21 | Exagone313 | Hi, what is the equivalent for iptables-persistent or testing? because it's available on stable and sid, not testing... |
| 00:06.30 | Exagone313 | on* |
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| 00:08.53 | missmbob | Exagone313: using it from sid wont hurt anything. it's just a script. wont break testing. |
| 00:09.15 | missmbob | Exagone313: anyway testing help is better served at #debian-next on OFTC (not freenode) |
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| 00:11.27 | mtcj | I'm not sure I understand LTSP on Debian. |
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| 00:11.56 | Exagone313 | missmbob: ok thanks |
| 00:12.52 | mtcj | It seems /opt/ltsp/$arch/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf is wholly ignored |
| 00:13.09 | mtcj | In favor of /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf |
| 00:13.33 | mtcj | Which makes LTSP effectively useless if the system is to serve more than one arch |
| 00:13.39 | Exagone313 | I think i'll create a systemd script or take one from another distro |
| 00:14.03 | mtcj | As one cannot set the nfsroot= kernel append parameter |
| 00:14.12 | missmbob | Exagone313: https://wiki.debian.org/iptables shows how to do just that |
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| 00:15.12 | Exagone313 | ok /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables it's easier |
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| 00:23.59 | _rubik | package architecture does not match system with dpkg.... is there a way around this? |
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| 00:26.30 | _rubik | Errr .. Is it safe to --force-architecture when I have installing i386? |
| 00:26.53 | rjsalts | _rubik: multi-arch |
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| 00:27.10 | missmbob | https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 00:28.04 | _rubik | So.. --add-architecture i386 ? |
| 00:29.04 | missmbob | followed by apt-get update |
| 00:29.17 | jim | how would I connect to an open WAP with sources.list? |
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| 00:29.59 | jim | sorry, brainfart. with /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:32.03 | _rubik | missmbob: Sounds good. |
| 00:33.05 | missmbob | jim https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
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| 00:35.16 | jim | , find iwconfig |
| 00:35.20 | judd | Search for iwconfig in jessie/amd64: wireless-tools: sbin/iwconfig; bash-completion: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/iwconfig; zsh-common: usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Linux/_iwconfig |
| 00:35.41 | jim | ,depends wireless-tools |
| 00:35.42 | judd | Package wireless-tools in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libiw30 (>= 30~pre1). |
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| 00:36.24 | jim | right now I have only the base |
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| 00:49.24 | tom99 | today I learned the difference between jessie-updates and jessie/updates |
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| 00:59.49 | jim | missmbob, CutMeOwnThroat (since left tho), thanks! my laptop has a connection now! |
| 00:59.59 | _rubik | Ok I have a weird one I cant figure out ... Sun JDK 6 |
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| 01:03.47 | RoyK | _rubik: do you really need java? |
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| 01:04.36 | _rubik | RoyK: Its for some clojure I'm writing and I need a library. Turns out that lib depends on the specific Sun JDK6 |
| 01:04.41 | _rubik | RoyK: So kinda yeah |
| 01:04.59 | RoyK | openjdk seems to work well |
| 01:05.11 | RoyK | otherwise there's ther oracle jdk |
| 01:05.26 | RoyK | sun got swallowed by oracle, you know |
| 01:05.44 | _rubik | RoyK: Well when I dpkg -i I keep getting dependency problems... I need sun-java6-jdk |
| 01:05.59 | _rubik | RoyK: No way around it I'm afraid. I too have been using openjdk8 |
| 01:06.08 | jmcnaught | _rubik: JDK 6 doesn't get free support from oracle right now either. But check out https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ don't skip 4.5 |
| 01:06.13 | RoyK | _rubik: have you enabled non-free? |
| 01:06.23 | _rubik | RoyK: Yes |
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| 01:06.56 | RoyK | perhaps the above artivle tells a bit more |
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| 01:13.35 | _rubik | RoyK: Yeah nothing. Maybe Im looking in the wrong place |
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| 01:15.30 | jmcnaught | _rubik: section 4.5 of the link that i gave you, but the entire FAQ is worth reading for context of how java works on Debian |
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| 01:26.43 | jim | Ihave some things beyond the base... but now, howbout what used to be called the Standard System? is there still that, and how would I get it? |
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| 01:34.29 | jmcnaught | jim: look for the standard utilities task in tasksel |
| 01:35.25 | jmcnaught | jim: or "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant" |
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| 01:37.59 | jim | are those tildas or dashes? |
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| 01:38.24 | jmcnaught | they're tildes |
| 01:38.31 | jmcnaught | jim: https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#A.22standard.22_task |
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| 02:10.48 | jim | what package do I need for when I type halt and it powers off instead of saying system halted? |
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| 02:13.26 | awal1 | jim, i guess you want to poweroff your machine instead of halt it? |
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| 02:14.26 | jim | almost... I want it to power off -when- I type halt |
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| 02:15.02 | awal1 | shutdown = halt and poweroff |
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| 02:16.04 | jim | so, what package (to talk to the appropriate hardware) do I need for that? |
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| 02:16.33 | awal1 | if you run systemctl halt, systen will be shutdown and machine halted; if you want shutdown both systen and machine use systemctl poweroff |
| 02:16.43 | awal1 | basically, thats all |
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| 02:17.40 | awal1 | that if yu use systemd |
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| 02:18.10 | awal1 | if sysvinit, shutdown -h now |
| 02:18.12 | jim | so, this laptop has only the base and important/required/standard packages, and wicd... what is the hardware that does the poweroff? |
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| 02:18.56 | awal1 | the software you mean? |
| 02:19.08 | jim | no, the -hardware- |
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| 02:20.52 | jim | I'm not trying to be difficult, but I know what I installed on this machine, and I also know that halt normally tells that -hardware- to do the poweroff after the machine does a proper shutdown |
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| 02:21.51 | awal1 | X software communicates with X physical components of your machine for shutdown it |
| 02:21.52 | jim | consider this: what if that hardware didn't exist? then, I'd have to hit the power switch after the machine shuts down |
| 02:22.06 | jim | X is not installed |
| 02:24.48 | jim | with respect, you don't seem to have a connection with what I want to do, or know what the exact status of the machine (i.e., what packages are installed, etc)... consider that yesterday (the day I bought that machine), it had no linux on it at all |
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| 02:27.26 | jim | one thing does seem to be true... halt does not do power off at least at the moment. It used to. |
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| 02:31.12 | awal1 | basically, halt stops cpus; poweroff involves acpi/psu diconnecting the power. that said i dont know what's your real issue |
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| 02:34.14 | jim | at this exact instant, I wanted to poweroff the machine so I can run an errand... I also wanted to find out the difference in what halt does in jessie versus what it used to do, which is contact the acpi to have it power down the machine after shutting down the linux installation |
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| 02:34.47 | awal1 | shutdown = halt & poweroff. halt is halt; poweroff is halt+poweroff |
| 02:34.56 | jim | so I did it manually again, no big deal... and now I'm off :) |
| 02:35.14 | jim | that's not how things used to be |
| 02:35.44 | awal1 | things were a bit different with sysvinit |
| 02:35.58 | awal1 | now debian use systemd by default |
| 02:36.03 | jim | maybe that is the difference |
| 02:36.16 | jim | yes I'm well aware of that |
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| 02:37.46 | hanshenrik | so there was this time i mounted a disk image. to like /old. then i started deleting stuff from the backup that i didn't need. turns out some of the folders was a hardlink/softlink to /usr/bin etc, and i broke the host system. ... how can i safely mount a disk image? so no links can touch the host system? |
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| 03:02.01 | mtcj | Ouch |
| 03:03.00 | mtcj | awal1 I think that may be reiterative |
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| 03:11.38 | hanshenrik | don't suppose anyone has a static x86_64 sh / bash binary laying around? |
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| 03:14.15 | Aaron | can someone explain me in How to. get my screen resolution small |
| 03:14.18 | Aaron | its too big. |
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| 03:15.29 | hanshenrik | nvm, a static busybox was the answer |
| 03:15.36 | somiaj | Aaron: what desktop do you use? Most have a display setting you can use. From the command line xrandr works too. |
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| 03:47.47 | whitefang | ok this is a weird one, when I run vim.tiny directly the arrow keys work in insert mode. I have my vi alternative set to vim.tiny (can confirm it launches vim.tiny), however the arrow keys in insert mode dont work when I launch it via the symbolic. |
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| 03:55.21 | whitefang | nevermind |
| 03:55.27 | whitefang | found it. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/03/msg03405.html |
| 03:55.30 | whitefang | thats a weird one though |
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| 04:39.04 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.09 | Gryllida | Heh. :) |
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| 04:41.22 | weel | theres always openrc |
| 04:42.08 | tx | So guy's, DebianAU meetup amirite? |
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| 04:43.23 | manizzle | hey guys. i am getting a problem loading the tun kernel module |
| 04:43.29 | manizzle | how can i rebuild just that one module? |
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| 04:43.40 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 04:43.52 | jak2000 | http://pastebin.com/bY2gbBT4 how to resize? or add more space... |
| 04:44.15 | bazhang | ,v gparted |
| 04:44.18 | judd | Package: gparted on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.12.1-2+b1; jessie: 0.19.0-2; sid: 0.25.0-1; stretch: 0.25.0-1 |
| 04:44.31 | somiaj | manizzle: What sort of errors are you getting when it loads? What is the problem with the module, was it not configured with an option you need? |
| 04:44.42 | tx | manizzle: go to the root directory of the source |
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| 04:45.01 | tx | and do "make {path/to/folder/with/module}" |
| 04:45.17 | manizzle | tx, so i rebuilt it |
| 04:45.19 | manizzle | but now i get |
| 04:45.21 | manizzle | tun: Unknown symbol __sk_detach_filter (err 0) |
| 04:45.24 | tx | you might also be able to do "make {path/to/module/tun.ko}" |
| 04:45.25 | manizzle | when i do insmod |
| 04:45.38 | tx | does your source version match your kernel version |
| 04:45.39 | tx | 100% |
| 04:46.04 | tx | including things like arch |
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| 04:46.31 | manizzle | Linux vpn-1 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:46.33 | weel | uname -a |
| 04:46.41 | manizzle | root@vpn-1:/usr/src/linux-source-3.16# pwd |
| 04:46.55 | manizzle | so maybe not exact... |
| 04:47.14 | tx | just use apt-get to download the source for ya kernel |
| 04:47.22 | weel | make |
| 04:47.22 | tx | assuming it's not a BYO kernel :P |
| 04:47.54 | manizzle | BYO? |
| 04:48.05 | tx | one you added after installing debian |
| 04:48.06 | manizzle | linux-source-3.16 is the only thing avail in the repos |
| 04:48.10 | tx | aka one not managed by the package manager |
| 04:48.16 | jak2000 | bazhang, see the pastebin? |
| 04:48.26 | manizzle | um. im not actually sure. its a google compute engine instance actually... |
| 04:48.31 | tx | ooh |
| 04:48.35 | bazhang | what version debain jak2000 |
| 04:48.41 | tx | hmm, GCE might be using something different! |
| 04:48.51 | jak2000 | 14.04 |
| 04:49.05 | missmbob | !ubuntu |
| 04:49.05 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 04:49.08 | bazhang | thats ubuntu |
| 04:49.17 | weel | !ubuntu |
| 04:49.18 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 04:49.25 | jak2000 | mmm how to know |
| 04:49.28 | jak2000 | wich verison is? |
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| 04:49.39 | jak2000 | if ubuntu or debian?/ |
| 04:50.49 | missmbob | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:50.50 | weel | dnf zypper pacman emerge |
| 04:51.19 | jak2000 | ahh then is debian 8.5 |
| 04:51.27 | jak2000 | then how to resize the dissk? |
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| 04:52.29 | weel | gparted |
| 04:54.09 | jak2000 | (gpartedbin:12045): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display |
| 04:54.11 | jak2000 | no GUI |
| 04:54.40 | twotwenty | are you su? |
| 04:54.59 | jak2000 | yes |
| 04:55.01 | jak2000 | i am on # |
| 04:55.12 | twotwenty | try with sudo |
| 04:55.37 | jak2000 | i am root |
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| 04:55.58 | twotwenty | I dont think su knows howto make windows in your users environment |
| 04:56.06 | jak2000 | mmm |
| 04:56.07 | jak2000 | see http://pastebin.com/pnS1R1fi |
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| 04:56.56 | jak2000 | how to add sda3 space to / ? |
| 04:57.13 | weel | https://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions |
| 04:57.15 | tx | you need to be using LVM to do that |
| 04:57.27 | tx | (add another physical disk to a logical volume) |
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| 04:58.13 | twotwenty | what partition are you trying to grow? |
| 04:58.22 | twotwenty | oh sda3 .. |
| 04:58.45 | jak2000 | yes |
| 04:58.54 | twotwenty | jak:2000 do you have a new hard drive? |
| 04:59.05 | jak2000 | not |
| 04:59.11 | jak2000 | new for? |
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| 05:00.10 | twotwenty | you cannot just change that partition space easily |
| 05:00.26 | jak2000 | you mean for backup the data? |
| 05:00.29 | jak2000 | no problem is a new |
| 05:01.32 | twotwenty | your better off moving it to a new drive. or back it up and then repartition . |
| 05:01.33 | weel | use cfdisk and mkfs |
| 05:02.44 | jak2000 | weel i am on cfdisk |
| 05:02.45 | jak2000 | now? |
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| 05:05.52 | pragomer_1 | how can I set libreoffice base as standard prog for ODB files? per default it is opened in archivemanager in jessie ??? |
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| 05:08.01 | jak2000 | not understand why: lvextend -l +4940 /dev/localhost-vg/root |
| 05:08.08 | jak2000 | say me: Size of logical volume localhost-vg/root changed from 9.31 GiB (2383 extents) to 28.61 GiB (7323 extents). |
| 05:08.17 | jak2000 | but never never i see in df -h any advice? |
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| 05:18.19 | jim | jak2000, so, a partition, or a vol, is a container for blocks... what you've done is add blocks to the container... the next thing you have to do is have the -contained- filesystem grow to the limits of the new filesystem size |
| 05:18.45 | jak2000 | jim format? |
| 05:18.48 | jak2000 | mkfs? |
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| 05:24.35 | stoned | pragomer_1: |
| 05:24.41 | stoned | pragomer_1: https://www.openoffice.org/framework/documentation/mimetypes/mimetypes.html |
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| 05:24.54 | stoned | pragomer_1: https://wiki.debian.org/MIME/etc/mime.types |
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| 05:25.40 | stoned | pragomer_1: https://wiki.debian.org/MIME - check Application Associations section |
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| 05:26.55 | stoned | pragomer_1: if you use KDE or ghome or some DE, you could probably right click and find something like "Open With..." and associate the file extention to an app that way |
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| 05:41.55 | iKarith | Hey everyone, I've got a machine I'm installing with a hard drive and SSD. I wish to use the latter to cache the former, which I understand to be dm-cache. And I want to encrypt the entire thing (yeah, /boot, I know, but otherwise), and it's a UEFI system. |
| 05:42.04 | iKarith | ...how do you do this? :) |
| 05:43.23 | iKarith | I understand on Linux it's done in layers, which isn't how Mac CoreStorage does it. |
| 05:44.09 | iKarith | It's a fresh machine with no partitions on either drive (not even an EFI partition at the moment), sitting in the net installer right now. |
| 05:44.39 | cr0mag | i run full disk encryption also but not boot but found this for boot http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/ |
| 05:44.50 | jmcnaught | iKarith: i would use the guided partitioning - lvm with encryption option in the installer |
| 05:44.55 | cr0mag | some of it might help or may not apply |
| 05:45.15 | iKarith | jmcnaught: can guided partitioning handle spinning rust + ssd cache? |
| 05:45.35 | jmcnaught | iKarith: it will set up the volume group for you. you may want to delete and recreate the largest volume a little smaller (the installer defaults to using all available space) |
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| 05:46.00 | cr0mag | jmcnaught said it best it's the easiest way really |
| 05:46.09 | jmcnaught | iKarith: no.. after the installation, add the SSD to the volume group and follow the instructions in lvmcache(7) |
| 05:46.11 | iKarith | I do want to leave a little of the SSD unpartitioned. |
| 05:46.38 | iKarith | Okay, install to the HD and leave the SSD unpartitioned for now, got it. |
| 05:46.56 | iKarith | I wasn't sure that worked the way I'd hope it would. |
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| 05:48.01 | iKarith | thanks jmcnaught, cr0mag. Like I said, I've never done that as I've generally been using Debian on systems where encryption was unwise or unnecessary, and the last time I used lvm2 was ... 2006. |
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| 05:50.26 | jmcnaught | iKarith: there's a pretty decent LVM manual for Redhat that is mostly applicable to Debian, covers the theory stuff pretty well and shows examples of what can be done |
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| 05:52.25 | no_gravity | Good Morning! Any ideas how to debug why my Debian laptop loses wifi connection regularely? It sits right next to the router, so signal is not the problem. |
| 05:53.12 | jmcnaught | no_gravity: you could start by running "journalctl -f" or using "tail -f" on your syslog. Also please don't crosspost. |
| 05:54.51 | no_gravity | jmcnaught: /var/log/syslog? |
| 05:55.23 | jmcnaught | no_gravity: if you don't have journald then sure |
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| 05:56.42 | no_gravity | Ok |
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| 05:57.19 | no_gravity | No idea if I have journald. |
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| 05:58.05 | jmcnaught | it's there by default in Debian 8 |
| 05:58.55 | no_gravity | Which keys do I have to press to experience the magic it provides? |
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| 06:00.22 | iKarith | jmcnaught: I just wasn't sure if I wanted to cache first then encrypt or encrypt first then cache. And I wasn't sure the jessie installer could even set up dm-cache |
| 06:00.28 | jmcnaught | no_gravity: "man journalctl". --since can be handy, and --lines, you can also filter by al sorts of criteria |
| 06:01.27 | iKarith | jmcnaught: either way, this machine is going to be really useful. I've been running builds on an Atom D410. 147 minutes real. |
| 06:01.38 | no_gravity | jmcnaught: Looks like it gives me the same as "cat /var/log/syslog" but in a more complicated way. |
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| 06:02.06 | jmcnaught | iKarith: hmmm... that's a good point. the SSD should be added to the LVM volume group during the install, or you will need to encrypt it separately so that the encrypted volume on the SSD is the physical volume that you add to volume group |
| 06:02.09 | iKarith | jmcnaught: The Debian vmdk on my Core i5 Mac (2012 vintage) can do it in about 90 minutes. |
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| 06:02.44 | iKarith | This is a Core i7-3770. :D |
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| 06:03.25 | jmcnaught | no_gravity: keep reading then? i find it a lot simpler than grepping logs, and you can do things like "journalctl -b -1 /usr/bin/Xorg" to show logs entries from the previous boot that involve that binary |
| 06:03.46 | iKarith | jmcnaught: somewhere I saw a guide for encrypting multiple partitions in such a way that you need only enter one passphrase. |
| 06:04.12 | no_gravity | jmcnaught: Why would I learn all this for one tool, when I already know how to work with log files and can use all of the standard tools on them? |
| 06:04.13 | iKarith | If I need to go back and redo it, I can, though. |
| 06:05.02 | jmcnaught | no_gravity: because it's an improvement, and i brought it up because you were asking how to troubleshoot and had to ask if /var/log/syslog was the file to look at. But it's okay if you don't like learning new things. |
| 06:05.59 | no_gravity | jmcnaught: I love learning new things! New ways how to travel, how to love, how to look at the sky and understand the clouds during the day and the stars during the night! |
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| 06:06.21 | iKarith | jmcnaught: Part of the frustration was that was using a netinstall image which is pretty spartan as installer environments go. |
| 06:06.37 | no_gravity | jmcnaught: But not so much new ways to cat log files. |
| 06:06.55 | jmcnaught | no_gravity: fair enough, but you're missing out |
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| 06:07.51 | no_gravity | jmcnaught: I will wholeheartedly fight any attack on standard ascii logfiles until my last breath. This I swear! |
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| 06:08.45 | larsmw | Hi, I have an interessting issue. Sometimes when I connect my debian 8 laptop to the network at my work it gets the ip right away when i run dhclient, but the dns settings are getting a minute later or so!? Has anyone seen something like this? Is it a dhcp issue on my net or is it an issue with my debian dhcp client? |
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| 06:08.53 | jmcnaught | no_gravity: fortunately both are available on Debian, and the journals are only kept for the current boot in the default config. journalctl is very expressive though, i wouldn't dismiss it so quickly |
| 06:09.25 | no_gravity | jmcnaught: Yeah, it's all good. As long as /var/log/syslog is there. |
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| 07:02.33 | umbaman | guys in Apache2 in Debian8 I want to enable clear URL's... The rewrite module is enabled. What next? |
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| 07:02.57 | Silaban | Hi |
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| 07:03.16 | Silaban | Hi world |
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| 07:04.02 | larsmw | umbaman, then you should make some rewrite rules to map your urls to the site. |
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| 07:04.10 | radeon | first of all I'm deeply disappointed about debian because no graphiccard seems to work properly with it; Radeon not working; NVidia crashes the whole system |
| 07:04.18 | radeon | is there any graphiccard out there which will work with Debian? |
| 07:04.25 | radeon | I mean work as work without any trouble |
| 07:04.32 | Silaban | Coca-cola card |
| 07:04.38 | umbaman | I am using drupal installations under /var/www/html/ |
| 07:04.48 | radeon | this whole thing is so yesterday... MacOSX doesn't cause any issues at all |
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| 07:05.07 | radeon | and aside of that the nvidia card worked 4 years ago but some wannabe-opensource-developer broke support for it |
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| 07:06.00 | radeon | getting sick of all those stupid Xorg messages ... no screens found for nvidia, segfault on the ATI driver |
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| 07:07.05 | radeon | do ATI graphiccards from 1999 work with Debian? |
| 07:07.09 | n1cky | radeon: obvious troll is obvious |
| 07:07.10 | radeon | I might get one for that testsystem |
| 07:07.29 | radeon | n1cky: right that still doesn't fix the problem |
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| 07:07.49 | radeon | the debian attitude "if it doesn't work for you" you are a troll :-) |
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| 07:08.32 | radeon | obviously those nvidia and ati chipsets have been sold millions of times and in the we want opensource debian system neither of them is supported at all |
| 07:08.44 | radeon | those nvidia and ati graphiccards are from 2008 |
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| 07:10.19 | radeon | debian wiki .. nouveau is working fine .. yaya for who... blind people probably |
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| 07:11.39 | radeon | (EE) Segmentation fault at address 0x0 |
| 07:11.46 | radeon | wannabe opensource developers.... |
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| 07:15.35 | n1cky | radeon: are you using the propreitary drivers? |
| 07:16.21 | radeon | n1cky: first the opensource drivers I'm testing the proprietary ones now |
| 07:16.31 | radeon | the opensource drivers crashed with a null pointer |
| 07:16.46 | radeon | 4 years ago nvidia and ATI worked properly... |
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| 07:17.26 | Drzacek | Hello |
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| 07:19.28 | Drzacek | I have a working OS (debian) installed on CF card - at least it works on all my laptops/PCs). There is one machine on which it doesn't start - grub shows up, it loads initrd, starts some initialization and goes black - the screen turns off. Is there something I could do, to see log from booting on other machine? |
| 07:19.34 | radeon | I'll try getting a graphiccard from 2000 in order to make debian work I think that's probably the best |
| 07:19.42 | radeon | anything newer doesn't seem to be supported anyway |
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| 07:21.01 | n1cky | I've never had a problem with noveau, nvidia propreitary, or intel graphics. Never had an ATI/AMD machine so I can't comment on that. |
| 07:21.22 | n1cky | you mention OSX, are you on a macbook? I think EFI plays into that. |
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| 07:21.36 | babilen | You probably never had an Optimus setup :) |
| 07:21.48 | Ulrar | Hi, We have a debian 8 that won't boot anymore. Systemd-journald crashes everytime and freez the boot, how safe is it to remove systemd on an existing system (in a chroot, since it doesn't boot) ? Will all the services be enabled again in sysv correctly ? |
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| 07:22.16 | n1cky | babilen: switchable graphics are the plague and should be avoided as such. |
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| 07:23.13 | babilen | n1cky: I totally agree, but those were the kind of setups that cause problems frequently these days. Either way, there is no point in discussing this in general. We either fix a specific problem with a specific card or move on :) |
| 07:23.25 | babilen | s/were/are :( |
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| 07:35.11 | Klaus_D1eter_ | hello world |
| 07:35.54 | Klaus_D1eter_ | I am hoping to run the java control panel for openjdk to congfigure which domains are allowed to open popups for javaws. unfortunately I cannot find the control panel. where is it? |
| 07:36.09 | LostSoul | Hi |
| 07:36.36 | LostSoul | Is it normal that after I change history output and I add timestamp - that old commands are showed up with strange time? |
| 07:37.04 | radeon | argh fucking debian I'll just remove this shit system. what lame developers first they have everything work and after a few years they simply break everything |
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| 07:57.30 | balor | Is `dhcpcd5` the default provider of a dhcp client on Debian? |
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| 08:08.33 | larsmw | umbaman, did you find a solution? |
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| 08:10.27 | umbaman | larsmw: I've got LAMP and drupal |
| 08:10.59 | umbaman | I tried to edit the /var/www/html/<my-drupal-distro/.htaccess file |
| 08:11.00 | larsmw | super! :) Then check if rewrite module is running : apache2ctl -M |
| 08:11.07 | umbaman | but it didn''t work |
| 08:11.26 | umbaman | rewrite module is runinng |
| 08:11.58 | larsmw | ok, then check "Alloworverride" settings in your apache virtual host configuration |
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| 08:12.49 | umbaman | ok |
| 08:12.51 | umbaman | just a sec |
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| 08:13.45 | umbaman | larsmw: which file is that? |
| 08:14.01 | umbaman | in debian 8 jessie |
| 08:14.43 | larsmw | it should be under : /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* |
| 08:15.12 | umbaman | ok |
| 08:16.08 | umbaman | I guess it's the 000-default.conf file |
| 08:16.14 | umbaman | anyway I'll start from there |
| 08:16.22 | larsmw | its a good guess |
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| 08:18.05 | KjetilK | If I have an SSD and HDD in a KVM RAID with write-mostly set on the SSD, will I be able to take advantage of the fast bootup time of the SSD? |
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| 08:24.29 | Ulrar | Looks like dbus ins't installed .. |
| 08:24.42 | umbaman | no. It doesn't work but /etc/init.d/apache2 reload is ok |
| 08:24.48 | Ulrar | Don't even understand how that can happen, but not surprising that systemd would fail to boot then |
| 08:24.55 | umbaman | so the conf file is probably correct |
| 08:25.00 | umbaman | let me paste it |
| 08:25.03 | Ulrar | Anyone knows how to fix that ? |
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| 08:28.50 | umbaman | http://pastebin.com/fzLrgWYW |
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| 08:32.15 | Agialsa | can someone help me set up my sound card |
| 08:32.31 | Agialsa | http://codepad.org/Uoh8U6Bo this is the output of lspci |
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| 08:33.53 | Agialsa | onboard sound card http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H110M-DVSD3/ help please ? |
| 08:34.11 | tx | install alsa / pulseaudio |
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| 08:34.43 | tx | you can see it's already attached to the kernel "Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel" |
| 08:34.53 | tx | you just need something to link applications up to it |
| 08:34.57 | tx | an audio subsystem |
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| 08:35.01 | lumiette | Please help someone, I'm just about ready to set fire to this computer. I'm trying to install graphics drivers for my GTX970 and nothing I do either works or even executes because of dependency failures or whatever. I currently only have my TTYs. It all went to shit after I tried to install butterflow, I didn't expect my driver to be this freaking obscure. |
| 08:35.04 | Agialsa | tx i think i already have |
| 08:35.11 | tx | run alsamixer in a terminal |
| 08:35.17 | Agialsa | ok wait |
| 08:35.34 | tx | you might need the alsa-utils package to run it |
| 08:35.35 | Agialsa | ok done |
| 08:35.38 | tx | what comes up |
| 08:35.46 | Agialsa | one bar master bar |
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| 08:35.59 | Agialsa | and for all just 2 bars |
| 08:36.05 | tx | press F6 |
| 08:36.09 | tx | what is listed |
| 08:36.10 | Agialsa | one capture bar and one master |
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| 08:36.20 | tx | HDA Intel PCH? |
| 08:36.22 | tx | select it |
| 08:36.35 | Agialsa | no there are no selectiosn just default |
| 08:36.40 | tx | ah |
| 08:36.41 | Agialsa | neither |
| 08:37.04 | tx | do you have pulseaudio installed? |
| 08:37.05 | Agialsa | could it be a very new mobo? |
| 08:37.15 | tx | Agialsa: enter "aplay -l" |
| 08:37.20 | tx | list alsa's hardware devices |
| 08:37.51 | Agialsa | tx GStreamer plugin for PulseAudio |
| 08:37.53 | Agialsa | ? |
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| 08:38.03 | tx | is that the output of aplay -l? |
| 08:38.15 | Agialsa | aplay -l |
| 08:38.15 | Agialsa | aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found... |
| 08:38.19 | tx | ah, right |
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| 08:39.11 | Agialsa | PulseAudio sound server is installed |
| 08:39.45 | tx | install and run pavucontrol |
| 08:40.00 | tx | (gui based utility) |
| 08:40.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | lumiette, maybe "or whatever" is a little bit unspecific? you might want to put some actual command you run and the error you get from it into paste.debian.net |
| 08:40.47 | tx | also which debian release? |
| 08:40.54 | tx | and kernel version (uname -a) |
| 08:41.17 | Agialsa | tx installed no run it from terminal? |
| 08:41.31 | tx | yes |
| 08:41.43 | tx | I suspect it won't come up, what is the output of uname -a? |
| 08:41.50 | Agialsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.51 | Agialsa | Linux athenaPC 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.4-1~bpo8+1 (2016-08-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:41.55 | Agialsa | and |
| 08:42.01 | lumiette | CutMeOwnThroat: I've tried so many things now I don't even remember. apt-get install nvidia-driver/jessie-backports was the most recent one I believe |
| 08:42.01 | Agialsa | its debian jessie |
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| 08:42.21 | Agialsa | run pavu as root? |
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| 08:42.32 | tx | no, normal user |
| 08:42.46 | lumiette | Also, how can I copy and paste anything in a TTY? |
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| 08:43.07 | Agialsa | ok what do you want me to do with the app? |
| 08:43.25 | larsmw | umbaman, what does this page tell you : http://yoursite/?q=admin/config/search/clean-urls |
| 08:43.26 | tx | go to the last tab |
| 08:43.33 | Agialsa | dummy output |
| 08:43.42 | tx | hmm yeah |
| 08:43.47 | tx | your sound card isn't being picked up at all |
| 08:44.22 | Agialsa | 7.1 CH HD Audio (Realtek ALC887 Audio Codec), ELNA Audio Caps thats what the mobos site says |
| 08:44.36 | Agialsa | but i think linux supports it? |
| 08:44.47 | lumiette | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm sorry if I sound unmotivated or something like that, it's not that. It's just that I've been trying all morning and literally everything backfires on me. I'm so fed up. |
| 08:44.49 | Agialsa | Realtek ALC887 is not so new or is it |
| 08:44.53 | umbaman | larsmw: The clean URL test failed. |
| 08:44.59 | Agialsa | http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H110M-DVSD3/\ |
| 08:45.02 | Agialsa | http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H110M-DVSD3/ |
| 08:45.03 | tx | n |
| 08:45.05 | tx | no* |
| 08:45.26 | jelly | tx: yesterday he showed outputs of lspci and lsusb, and the card is in neither. I suspect it's I2S connected but I have no idea how to list those. |
| 08:45.49 | Agialsa | thankyou jelly :) |
| 08:46.07 | tx | he just showed the output of an lcpci -v |
| 08:46.10 | tx | and the card is listed |
| 08:46.22 | Agialsa | i2s is someo kind of special onboard connection? |
| 08:46.24 | jelly | magic! |
| 08:46.33 | tx | Agialsa: are you sure the card isn' |
| 08:46.38 | tx | er, isn't disabled in the BIOS |
| 08:46.48 | Agialsa | yes i checked |
| 08:46.55 | Agialsa | BUT i would like to say tthis |
| 08:47.04 | Agialsa | it has two options |
| 08:47.19 | jelly | judd: pciid 8086:a170 |
| 08:47.19 | judd | [8086:a170] is 'Sunrise Point-H HD Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:a170 |
| 08:47.24 | tx | what is the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards" |
| 08:47.39 | lumiette | CutMeOwnThroat: What I found out was that I need nvidia driver version 343.22-1, which should be in experimental. nvidia-detect says I should be using a driver from jessie-backports though. The card is a GTX970, I'm running Jessie and installing nvidia-driver/jessie-backports failed because of 'held packages'. <- I don't know what that means. |
| 08:47.52 | jelly | Agialsa: which two options are those |
| 08:48.03 | tx | enabled and disabled I would wager :p |
| 08:48.15 | Agialsa | for the HD card? it has auto enabled and disabled ... i choose enabled... because i'd like it permanently on ( depends when you install another sound card) when i did that it showed up in lspci |
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| 08:48.41 | tx | is /proc/asound/cards empty |
| 08:48.42 | Agialsa | the second option was something about sound front panel? and t had 2 options HD and ac 97 ... |
| 08:49.13 | Agialsa | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 08:49.13 | Agialsa | --- no soundcards --- |
| 08:49.20 | tx | and /asound/modules? |
| 08:49.47 | Agialsa | cat /proc/asound/modules |
| 08:49.48 | Agialsa | athena@athenaPC:~$ |
| 08:50.00 | tx | Hmm, alright, run alsa-info |
| 08:50.02 | tx | follow the wizard |
| 08:50.07 | tx | time for you to report your woes :P |
| 08:50.11 | Agialsa | as root? |
| 08:50.16 | tx | anyone |
| 08:50.29 | tx | actually, you might need to as root sorry |
| 08:50.45 | Agialsa | alsa |
| 08:50.45 | Agialsa | alsactl alsaloop alsamixer alsaplayer alsaucm ? |
| 08:50.48 | Agialsa | install >? |
| 08:50.49 | tx | upload it so we can check it out |
| 08:50.54 | tx | alsa-info |
| 08:51.12 | tx | if it doesn't exist, wget http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh -O alsa-info.sh && bash alsa-info.sh |
| 08:51.14 | tx | run that |
| 08:51.24 | tx | (in /tmp or somewhere you can put files in) |
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| 08:54.01 | Agialsa | tx Your ALSA information is located at http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=b11a237bffe376361d8f455123312879dba9c504 |
| 08:54.27 | Agialsa | :) |
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| 08:55.12 | tx | create a new file /etc/modprobe.d/intel.conf |
| 08:55.15 | tx | (root) |
| 08:55.26 | tx | add the following contents: |
| 08:55.27 | tx | options snd-hda-intel single_cmd=1 |
| 08:55.27 | tx | options snd-hda-intel probe_mask=1 |
| 08:55.31 | tx | and reboot |
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| 08:57.16 | Agialsa | ls |
| 08:57.17 | Agialsa | alsa-base.confintel.conf amd64-microcode-blacklist.confintel-microcode-blacklist.conf fbdev-blacklist.confmodesetting.conf |
| 08:57.26 | Agialsa | ok |
| 08:57.28 | Agialsa | reboot? |
| 08:57.40 | Agialsa | tx, i'll reboot now |
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| 08:58.03 | lumiette | Can someone at least explain to me why installing a graphics driver is such a god-forsaken chore? Surely there's a reason for it being -this- tedious. |
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| 08:58.13 | tx | because nvidia sucks |
| 08:58.38 | lumiette | As a company, you mean? |
| 08:58.56 | tx | As a participant in FOSS. |
| 08:59.02 | jelly | lumiette: multiple reasons, mostly vendors being afraid to make decent open source drivers |
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| 08:59.36 | lumiette | Afraid? :o |
| 08:59.38 | lumiette | Curious. |
| 08:59.46 | jelly | uninterested |
| 09:00.21 | jelly | but also debian's choice of using free software only, and not making it too easy to support non-free drivers |
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| 09:00.41 | Agialsa | tx, ? i don;'t think i have sound yet? |
| 09:00.43 | lumiette | Ah, right right. Thing is, I much prefer linux over windows in most things, just, this is really puttint me off every time. It's not the first time, this happened on most installations (and I had an AMD card before) |
| 09:01.16 | tx | do another alsa-info |
| 09:01.18 | jelly | lumiette: it's much easier if you buy hardware that's known to work well with linux and has open source drivers |
| 09:01.28 | Rubas | Hello, is it possible for me to uninstall everything (gdm and etc) from a already installed debian machine - going down to a minimalistic installation? |
| 09:01.41 | tx | lumiette: it's actually very easy to get graphics working on linux |
| 09:01.46 | tx | you just need to use the foss drivers |
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| 09:01.54 | tx | it's not our fault nvidia has an awful installer |
| 09:02.00 | tx | with a convoluted xorg config system |
| 09:02.13 | jelly | Rubas: sure, but there will be some cruft files, leftovers here and there |
| 09:02.15 | tx | but you can avoid the nvidia drivers all together |
| 09:02.30 | tx | provided you don't want to do anything high performance :p |
| 09:02.35 | Rubas | jelly: thank you |
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| 09:02.58 | tx | Or you can do what I do and just pass through my graphics card to a Windows VM for gaming and use a crappy card for linux. :) |
| 09:03.07 | Agialsa | tx, i have to leave i'll be back in 40 mins PLEASE leave me a message in what to do in a private message ok ? |
| 09:03.11 | lumiette | The nouveau drivers? I don't mind running FOSS obv, but iirc they did give me trouble in the past. I don't care right now though, I just want any kind of graphics to happen. |
| 09:03.13 | jelly | most cases one does not have to use nvidia's installer but debian's packaging of those drivers |
| 09:03.20 | tx | No promises, I need to leave the office soon. :P |
| 09:03.24 | Agialsa | ok |
| 09:03.33 | Agialsa | no problem you've done enough |
| 09:03.42 | jelly | lumiette: which debian release and which graphic card? |
| 09:03.42 | Agialsa | just need to tackle this |
| 09:03.48 | tx | you want any kind of graphics? |
| 09:03.52 | Agialsa | tx no other suggestions? |
| 09:03.52 | tx | then use noveau then lol |
| 09:03.54 | lumiette | jelly: GTX970 on Jessie |
| 09:04.02 | tx | Agialsa: check your dmesg output |
| 09:04.07 | tx | it seems to be related to an initialization problem |
| 09:04.16 | jelly | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 09:04.17 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-10; sid/non-free: 361.45.18-2; experimental/non-free: 367.44-1 |
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| 09:04.45 | Agialsa | tx, what do i have to grep? |
| 09:04.54 | jelly | lumiette: I suspect you'll have to go with 352 for that. Let's see |
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| 09:04.58 | jelly | ,v nvidia-detect |
| 09:04.59 | judd | Package: nvidia-detect on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-10; sid/non-free: 361.45.18-2; experimental/non-free: 367.44-1 |
| 09:05.17 | jelly | lumiette: first, enable jessie-backports, and enable non-free repos |
| 09:05.24 | jelly | dpkg, tell lumiette about jessie-backports |
| 09:05.26 | tx | Agialsa: snd and intel? |
| 09:05.28 | tx | something like that |
| 09:05.30 | jelly | dpkg, tell lumiette about non-free sources |
| 09:05.33 | tx | make sure you do a -A5 -B5 after it |
| 09:05.36 | Agialsa | tx http://codepad.org/dLl3vvcv |
| 09:05.38 | tx | want to pick up the lines before and after |
| 09:05.54 | jelly | lumiette: then "apt-get -t jessie-backports install nvidia-detect" and run it |
| 09:05.59 | tx | got it |
| 09:06.31 | Agialsa | tx http://codepad.org/JNnez7da there |
| 09:06.56 | Agialsa | ok please leave a PM what to do next |
| 09:07.17 | lumiette | Alright, that's done. It still recommends the nvidia-driver/jessie-backports package. |
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| 09:10.58 | Agialsa | jelly, http://codepad.org/fTzKGi9N http://codepad.org/JNnez7da can you please take a look and leave a PM thank you i'll bb in 1h |
| 09:11.04 | Agialsa | thank you |
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| 09:12.54 | Minnebo | Hello |
| 09:13.18 | lumiette | jelly: Not to be a nag or anything, but in case you missed it, it still recommends the nvidia-driver/jessie-backports package. |
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| 09:13.39 | Minnebo | I installed jessie, and pi.hole but the static IP is not working :(.. when I check /etc/dhcpcd.conf it is what it should be, but ifconfig gives me another |
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| 09:15.57 | Flashtek | Minnebo: is the 'client' a dhcp client ? |
| 09:16.25 | jelly | lumiette: okay. then install linux-headers-$(uname -r), and apt-get -t jessie-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms, after that |
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| 09:16.29 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 09:16.33 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 09:16.34 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 09:16.55 | ychaouche | lsof -i :143 shows both my imap server and systemd, should I kill systemd ? https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/a10f4142d6b904434e659b54ca7eb801/raw/7e3dccfd15100b0c180b34671590c47cca95d06a/gistfile1.txt |
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| 09:17.08 | jelly | lumiette: if that succeeds, do the rest of the recipe: mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
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| 09:19.42 | lumiette | jelly: Thanks so much for helping me out. It's installing now. |
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| 09:20.40 | Minnebo | Flashtek, i fixed it with /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:22.30 | lumiette | jelly, sir! You're my personal hero! <3 |
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| 09:22.57 | jelly | lumiette: I assume this means it worked? |
| 09:23.08 | lumiette | Yes! I have XFCE now :D |
| 09:23.59 | jelly | lumiette: i was imprecise, also apt-get nstall linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` ... to avoid problems in the future when kernel package changes the name |
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| 09:25.02 | lumiette | I see~ Hm~ I think I need some more experience installing systems before that sort of line becomes natural to me. |
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| 09:30.54 | jelly | it's not natural, it's written carefully to avoid instructing people to "if your `uname -r` output ends in amd64 install linux-image-amd64 |
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| 09:31.34 | jelly | "... but if it ends with -686-pae then you have to install linux-blah-686-pae" |
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| 09:32.30 | lumiette | Ah, right, I see! Yeah, mine ends in amd64 |
| 09:33.40 | lumiette | Uph, I'm so relieved though. You've really helped me out :) |
| 09:33.50 | lumiette | In the future (just a moment, I'm gonna switch clients) |
| 09:34.06 | jelly | (you can compare the output of "uname -r" and that " uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' " thing |
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| 09:37.13 | High_Priest | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing |
| 09:37.15 | lumiette | There we go, this is a lot easier. irssi only updates half of the screen half of the time in TTY for me |
| 09:37.56 | Iridos | i have a tooltip from firefox (or possibly chrome) that doesn't close in lxde/openbox. I already killed/restarted both firefox and chromium and restarted openbox, but it's still there. xwininfo shows a window id for it, but wmctrl -l doesn't list that window id. xkill doesn't remove it seither. Is there anything else to get rid of it? it's on all desktops |
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| 09:38.22 | lumiette | So yeah, in the future, should I haphazardly override my graphics configuration, these are the steps I should take? install linux headers, then install the nvidia dkms package? Or is there also a way to revert changes I've made? |
| 09:38.48 | Iridos | oh, just realized it's not from a browser |
| 09:39.09 | Iridos | yay |
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| 09:39.46 | Iridos | I still wonder how I should have realized that without having a lucky guess |
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| 09:39.58 | netzach | Hello |
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| 09:40.22 | netzach | is it possible to use a default configuration when installing packages? I don't want to be asked any interactive questions, so it can be automatic |
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| 09:41.20 | netzach | I have this in a conf file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d: |
| 09:41.21 | netzach | DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";}; |
| 09:41.22 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, netzach |
| 09:41.26 | netzach | is this the issue? |
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| 09:42.37 | netzach | Is there more documentation for UnattendedUpgrades than the one on the debian wiki? |
| 09:45.02 | tx | ubuntu probably has stuff on it |
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| 09:49.43 | lumiette | Well, I'm gonna go enjoy my setup again. Stay safe everyone :) |
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| 09:59.43 | patterson | https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 10:00.31 | netzach | I have found more information on the debian-handbook.info and some other info in the README of unattendedupgrades than the wiki @ patterson |
| 10:01.43 | patterson | Out of curiosity, what isn't working |
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| 10:01.56 | hrob | hi |
| 10:02.25 | hrob | does debian store or log file system statistics somewhere, after reboot |
| 10:03.02 | hrob | I have a machine that goes into crazy io load every few weeks |
| 10:03.21 | hrob | and I would like to see what could be causing it, unfortunately after reboot |
| 10:03.28 | hrob | forced shutdown |
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| 10:14.36 | jak2000 | for install updatedb command wich command need to be installed? |
| 10:15.11 | themill | jak2000: mlocate |
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| 10:16.46 | jak2000 | thx |
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| 10:17.42 | jak2000 | how to know version of debian and if jessie or Wheezy? |
| 10:18.15 | colo-work | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 10:18.35 | MoonTiger | hi guys |
| 10:18.39 | themill | jak2000: there's no definitive way because you could/can do anything you like to make strange mixes |
| 10:18.57 | MoonTiger | the update yesterday seems to have badly affected my wifi connection |
| 10:19.23 | MoonTiger | i couldn't find any bug reports on a casual search but i figured it was a bit early for them to be indexed yet |
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| 10:19.44 | MoonTiger | does anybody have any info? |
| 10:20.20 | MoonTiger | or more correctly... has anybody else experienced this or heard of it happening? |
| 10:20.23 | MoonTiger | thanks |
| 10:20.45 | jak2000 | themill mm thanks |
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| 10:21.32 | gerforce | MoonTiger: what kind of problem with your wifi? |
| 10:22.13 | MoonTiger | gerforce, it will freeze trying to connect to anything - seems like no traffic is happening |
| 10:22.15 | jak2000 | the correct way for change hostname iss only modify the file: /etc/hostname ? or to /etc/hosts ? |
| 10:22.33 | MoonTiger | jak2000, both |
| 10:23.26 | gerforce | MoonTiger: didn't encounter that after updates |
| 10:23.43 | MoonTiger | my thinkpad doesn't either sitting right next to this one |
| 10:23.54 | Iridos | hrob, only if you run it⦠collectl, collectd ⦠you could just run iotop and send the output via net somewhere |
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| 10:24.17 | gerforce | MoonTiger: my thinkpad too, :) |
| 10:24.25 | miesco | Hi. How do I search wikipedia in terminal? |
| 10:24.27 | MoonTiger | gerforce, also if i reboot back into win10 (sigh) it works as it alwats has |
| 10:24.40 | MoonTiger | gerforce, gotta love 'em |
| 10:25.25 | MoonTiger | ok well maybe it'll get fixed in a while - just kinda annoying |
| 10:25.47 | MoonTiger | thnx guys laterz |
| 10:25.52 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 10:27.18 | gerforce | MoonTiger: i have encoutered a problem about wifi on my thinkpad. The situation is : when i first connected to a wireless router, it works fine with speed 150M/s, But after a few minutes, the speed changed to 15M/s |
| 10:27.19 | themill | miesco: there re plenty of text-mode browsers like links2 |
| 10:27.19 | gerforce | and i couldn't use it until i reconnected. But it works just fine with my win7 install |
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| 10:27.28 | miesco | themill: No, it needs to be scriptable |
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| 10:28.11 | themill | miesco: what are you really trying to do? What are the actual requirements? |
| 10:28.13 | ws2k3 | i just runned dist-upgrade to upgrade from wheezy to jessie. the upgrade went fine no error. then it rebooted and now it shows no bootable device in my bios. what could this be? i already tryed grub-install on my root partition without any result |
| 10:29.21 | miesco | themill: Well its wikionary actually |
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| 10:29.44 | miesco | themill: It needs to be from command line, as in a command from the terminal has to output the results |
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| 10:31.10 | jak2000 | how to add more time when i execute sudo command? a(ask me the password) but i want add 20 minutes more) to next question |
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| 10:31.57 | themill | miesco: there are APIs in lots of languages for wikimedia. You're probably writing something in your favourite language. |
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| 10:38.27 | gerforce | jak2000: using command " man sudoers " and find the option 'timestamp_timeout' |
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| 10:39.06 | P3N1S-FUK | Hello |
| 10:39.13 | P3N1S-FUK | Fuck my penis |
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| 10:39.18 | P3N1S-FUK | Fuck it good |
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| 10:39.22 | P3N1S-FUK | Fuck it hard |
| 10:39.30 | jak2000 | gerforce thanks |
| 10:39.30 | P3N1S-FUK | Fuck it like your mom does |
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| 10:40.02 | gerforce | jak2000: You are welcome :D |
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| 10:43.57 | jak2000 | geforce readed and understand default 15 mins? or 2.5? how to change in wich file? |
| 10:44.00 | jak2000 | visudo? |
| 10:44.50 | jak2000 | at the end: timestamp_timeout=20 ? |
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| 10:51.38 | tdn | Which CMS should I choose that is well maintained in debian and receive security updates in a timely manner? Wordpress, drupal, jekyll, something else? |
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| 10:55.00 | tdn | Or should I forget about that and just go download the latest wordpress, drupal, jekyll, whatever and then use that outside of debian packages. |
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| 10:56.19 | ws2k3 | i just runned dist-upgrade to upgrade from wheezy to jessie. the upgrade went fine no error. then it rebooted and now it shows no bootable device in my bios. what could this be? i already tryed grub-install on my root partition without any result |
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| 11:01.32 | colo-work | ws2k3, that means the machine's BIOS/firmware doesn't find a device with a valid, working MBR or EFI config. how does your system boot - via EFI? |
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| 11:04.16 | ws2k3 | colo-work its a xenserver vm i think thats a regular bios(no EFI) |
| 11:05.00 | jak2000 | a valid hostname can be: mydomain.com.th ? |
| 11:05.08 | jak2000 | a valid hostname can be: mydomain.com.th ? in /etc/hostname ? |
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| 11:06.14 | colo-work | ws2k3, well, for starters, you need to fix your bootloader. if you have a livecd around, boot that, and check if your harddisks have `file -s /dev/yourdisk` return something like "/dev/sda: DOS/MBR boot sector" |
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| 11:16.19 | hiya | aptitude upgrade is so slow |
| 11:16.25 | hiya | what could be the reason? |
| 11:16.47 | hiya | I am even using the httpredir version |
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| 11:17.06 | dcpc007 | hi, is it new to have a logrotate on wtmp monthly without minsize ? currently we loose near all history too soon (and wtmp not huge) |
| 11:17.31 | dcpc007 | i don"t remember that we had this short time rotation |
| 11:17.36 | jelly | dcpc007: afair that existed since debian 5 or 6 |
| 11:17.45 | dcpc007 | wow ... |
| 11:17.57 | jelly | annoying, innit |
| 11:18.10 | dcpc007 | ok maybe had used this query only on suse or centos |
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| 11:18.27 | dcpc007 | i checked centos 6, it's near the same config, but with a minzie = 1M |
| 11:18.38 | Iridos | any idea how to read out the final /proc/pid/something when a process exits? The process itself doesn't cooperate for that |
| 11:18.51 | dcpc007 | => on standard server we keep a long history, and on high connection servers we keep size ok |
| 11:18.55 | Iridos | and it should be efficient, so no polling every second or so |
| 11:18.56 | jelly | dcpc007: you can file a Severity: wishlist bug |
| 11:19.16 | DanawarUK | Hi debian i cannot install build tools :( - http://pastebin.com/NQ2E9jr8 - any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 11:19.19 | dcpc007 | yes :) logrotate have so many cool options :) |
| 11:19.45 | jelly | that minsize=1M thing makes a whole lot of sense |
| 11:19.47 | dcpc007 | i love it (and want to bite all those dev that never manage their logs !!! --> target tomcat dev mainly :) ) |
| 11:19.50 | jak2000 | a valid hostname can be: mydomain.com.th ? in /etc/hostname ? |
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| 11:20.22 | dcpc007 | jelly: do you think they could patch debian7 with this whishlist ? |
| 11:20.38 | jelly | jak2000: no, put the short name in /etc/hostname, and put the ip, full name and short name in an /etc/hosts entry |
| 11:20.51 | jak2000 | jelly ok thanks |
| 11:21.09 | jelly | dcpc007: 7 is oldstable so that will never happen. If the maintainer agrees, you'll get the fix in 9. |
| 11:21.48 | Agialsa | jelly, would you take a look at http://codepad.org/fTzKGi9N http://codepad.org/JNnez7da? |
| 11:21.53 | dcpc007 | ha ok lol, here not finished to migrate all old servers to debian 7 ... i start to talk on debian 8 but so many things to test that i'll don't have any answer soon :) |
| 11:22.25 | jelly | dpkg, tell DanawarUK about basic apt troubleshooting |
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| 11:22.32 | dcpc007 | and i'll have to learn the new systemd and maybe other admin things (and near alone) |
| 11:22.35 | jelly | DanawarUK: which debian release are you supposed to be running? |
| 11:23.06 | jelly | DanawarUK: follow the instructions dpkg bot gave you in a private message, and give us all the requested info |
| 11:23.41 | jelly | dcpc007: you can get away with using old sysvinit for debian 8 if you really need to |
| 11:24.22 | dcpc007 | that's not that i "need", but working alone with many tasks = not really the time to follow linux evolutions ... |
| 11:24.46 | dcpc007 | systemd is a big one, but other too (like go from tomcat 7 to 8 or mysql to mariadb) |
| 11:24.52 | DanawarUK | jelly: http://pastebin.com/UbWhEPFr |
| 11:25.35 | dcpc007 | tools change a lot, like checkrestart avec updates, need to verify all dmin tool we use like logcheck, watchdog,... |
| 11:25.49 | DanawarUK | jelly: http://pastebin.com/HfhDaJyT |
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| 11:26.18 | dcpc007 | upgrade process in debian is not so complicated onstandard servers, but daily use, and monitoring/check/analyze is more heavy some times |
| 11:26.42 | dcpc007 | (and i should have a deploy tool, likeopsi, puppet or other) |
| 11:26.48 | dcpc007 | but time ... |
| 11:26.54 | DanawarUK | jelly: http://pastebin.com/TZJpdJBD |
| 11:27.00 | Agialsa | is there any other channel i can join to tackle me sound card problem? |
| 11:27.01 | DanawarUK | jelly: That should be everything |
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| 11:27.57 | jelly | DanawarUK: not really, apt-cache policy build-essential libc6-dev libc-dev g++ |
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| 11:28.33 | Iridos | judd, versions g++ |
| 11:28.34 | judd | Package: g++ on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:6.1.1-1; stretch: 4:6.1.1-1 |
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| 11:29.11 | DanawarUK | jelly: http://pastebin.com/h9rypCqu |
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| 11:30.52 | Clorith | I'm a bit lost as to what I should be googling for here, I noticed that when doing 'ls -lha' the user and group names showing up are incorrect, if I chown the files, the corresponding name and/or group still displays the wrong label (but the ownership is correct). |
| 11:31.01 | Clorith | This appears to have happened after upgrading to Jessie over the weekend |
| 11:31.21 | jelly | DanawarUK: hm, what does "apt-get install build-essential g++" say? |
| 11:31.24 | Agiofws | does anyone here have the above motherboard? installed with debian http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H110M-DVSD3/ |
| 11:31.49 | jelly | DanawarUK: also, "apt-cache policy base-files dpkg libc6 apt" |
| 11:31.50 | DanawarUK | jelly: One moment i am just updating my sources then i will give it a try! |
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| 11:32.25 | DanawarUK | jelly: This will be the new sources: http://pastebin.com/rPJb2yx6 |
| 11:33.09 | DanawarUK | jelly: Updating my sources and doing an upgrade fixed the issue thanks for your time and help |
| 11:33.20 | stardancer | Agiofws, may i ask the purpose of your question? |
| 11:33.28 | stardancer | why does a specific mobo matter to the OS? |
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| 11:34.36 | Agiofws | stardancer, i can't get the sound card to work ... |
| 11:34.46 | stardancer | Agiofws, hah |
| 11:34.52 | Agiofws | stardancer, would you take a look at http://codepad.org/fTzKGi9N http://codepad.org/JNnez7da? |
| 11:35.18 | frzr | Is running mutt in xterm a bad idea? |
| 11:35.47 | stardancer | Agiofws, and? |
| 11:36.05 | frzr | heard somewhere that there may be lacking of input sanitazion, and you would be able to run rm -rf ~ :) |
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| 11:37.36 | stardancer | Agiofws, did you see line 108? |
| 11:37.59 | jelly | frzr: where else would you run it? |
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| 11:38.31 | frzr | just realized that that would have nothing to do with the term, the vulnerability would have to be in mutt :P gotta talk before you speak |
| 11:38.39 | frzr | s/talk/think/g |
| 11:38.41 | frzr | :) |
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| 11:39.28 | stardancer | frzr, i dont really get why an email client would be deleting your files |
| 11:39.54 | Agiofws | stardancer, and take a look at Your ALSA information is located at http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=b11a237bffe376361d8f455123312879dba9c504 |
| 11:40.07 | stardancer | Agiofws, pardon me, but do you have a point? |
| 11:40.24 | frzr | well stardancer depends on how the code for the reading of the emails is made |
| 11:40.36 | Agiofws | i'm trying to make my sound card to work |
| 11:40.54 | Agiofws | i also added options in alsabase.conf |
| 11:40.56 | stardancer | what does that have to do with you sending me on wild goose chases? |
| 11:41.02 | Agiofws | ok |
| 11:41.05 | Agiofws | sorry man |
| 11:41.15 | stardancer | i asked if you had noticed the line that said "no codecs" |
| 11:41.29 | frzr | wat |
| 11:41.38 | stardancer | if your mobo uses the same onboard intel sound as every other, why would it be the mobo's fault? |
| 11:41.51 | stardancer | clue, it's not |
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| 11:42.03 | dcpc007 | erf can't connect to BTS with reportbug :-( |
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| 11:42.21 | Agiofws | i'm not saying its the mobos fault |
| 11:42.24 | Agiofws | anyway |
| 11:42.24 | stardancer | the Intel 915 is supported pretty much universally |
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| 11:42.33 | stardancer | ok, so ... what does it have to do with your mobo? |
| 11:42.43 | stardancer | why did you point the finger there |
| 11:42.46 | Agiofws | i also added options snd-hda-intel single_cmd=1 |
| 11:42.46 | Agiofws | options snd-hda-intel probe_mask=1 in intel.comf |
| 11:43.12 | Iridos | frzr, wouldn't that be the case for any email client? |
| 11:43.19 | stardancer | are you even sure you have the right drivers? |
| 11:44.09 | stardancer | frzr, like any program, i guess, period ... if you have discovered a vulnerability in mutt, please do tell someone |
| 11:44.12 | Agiofws | well i have a new kernel that has the right firmware for i915 GFX card so i assume its right for the sound card |
| 11:44.13 | frzr | Iridos: yea it would, i guess my friend who said that i should be careful running it in xterm didnt know what he was talking about |
| 11:44.22 | stardancer | your friend is dum |
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| 11:44.39 | stardancer | poeple have been running mutt in xterm for 20 years |
| 11:44.54 | frzr | yeah, and so am i for not thinking a second about it |
| 11:44.57 | frzr | :) |
| 11:45.22 | stardancer | i, however, use pine/alpine |
| 11:45.28 | stardancer | i never really grew out of using pico/nano |
| 11:45.33 | frzr | puts on the stupidcone |
| 11:45.34 | stardancer | :( |
| 11:45.44 | stardancer | just call it a brainfart |
| 11:46.03 | frzr | force urself to use vim a month |
| 11:46.09 | frzr | its worth it |
| 11:46.50 | stardancer | i do, when some program requires it |
| 11:46.52 | stardancer | like visudo |
| 11:47.01 | frzr | or well, depends on how much you handle text, if you're a programmer or sysadmin who writes alot of scripts its amazing. |
| 11:47.13 | stardancer | and, personally, i dont see how or why using something that is more complicated and unintuitive is in fact better |
| 11:47.25 | stardancer | poeple crow on about memorizing shortcuts, but why. why. why. |
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| 11:47.35 | Iridos | frzr, programs can send ansi escape sequences to an xterm or other virtual terminal⦠but⦠*shrug* |
| 11:47.44 | stardancer | like is there something less awesome about using a control key |
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| 11:48.09 | stardancer | those vi/vim combinations look ... insane |
| 11:48.19 | stardancer | honestly, how does that make a better editor, you tell me |
| 11:48.29 | frzr | no the thing is they are not insane |
| 11:48.32 | frzr | they are very logical |
| 11:48.32 | stardancer | if so, then wordperfect is the best ever word processor |
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| 11:48.38 | frzr | and sooo handy |
| 11:48.46 | stardancer | how is it easier than ctrl+x to quit |
| 11:48.49 | stardancer | like by zeus |
| 11:48.50 | frzr | diw < delete in word |
| 11:48.56 | stardancer | ctrl+x, what you would expect |
| 11:49.02 | stardancer | instead of, what :qq |
| 11:49.04 | stardancer | the fuck? |
| 11:49.11 | frzr | d2j < delete 2 lines down |
| 11:49.15 | stardancer | why would i do that? |
| 11:49.23 | Iridos | stardancer, you don't really need more than 5-10 commands in vi to edit⦠and the way you can do whole-text substitutions using regex is pretty powerful, so are a couple of other things |
| 11:49.34 | stardancer | ill open something in a GUI editor if i have to write a novel |
| 11:49.39 | ws2k3 | colo-work the file command is not found in the rescue disk |
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| 11:49.43 | stardancer | "powerful" my ass |
| 11:49.52 | stardancer | powerful is opening a gui editor and using a mouse |
| 11:49.55 | stardancer | and taking 1/10the the time |
| 11:49.56 | Iridos | stardancer, then don't use it and stop bitching |
| 11:49.58 | frzr | so open gvim :) |
| 11:49.59 | stardancer | i dont :) |
| 11:50.08 | Iridos | you *are* bitching |
| 11:50.14 | stardancer | shaddap |
| 11:50.23 | stardancer | im disagreeing with the fellow |
| 11:50.24 | stardancer | stay out of it |
| 11:50.43 | frzr | but yeah its a steep learning curve |
| 11:50.53 | stardancer | one that ive been avoiding for 20 years |
| 11:50.53 | Iridos | it's actually not |
| 11:50.58 | stardancer | i dont plan on starting tomorrow |
| 11:51.03 | stardancer | dont get me started about emacs either |
| 11:51.16 | frzr | but if you want a very good tool to work with id suggest learning it |
| 11:51.16 | Iridos | learning the 5-10 commands that you really *need* should be possible for most >5-year-olds |
| 11:51.21 | stardancer | i dont need to waste even a few hours of the insane headaches that come with learning that pile of bricks |
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| 11:51.26 | stardancer | why? |
| 11:51.31 | stardancer | so i can be an all-star text editing machine? |
| 11:51.37 | stardancer | this is 2016 |
| 11:51.50 | stardancer | i dont nede to master 35-year old text editors |
| 11:52.11 | stardancer | i could learn COBOL faster than emacs and vi |
| 11:52.23 | Iridos | maybe you should come back after learning cobol |
| 11:52.33 | frzr | if you're a programmer and strive to be efficient in those types of enviroments where vim shines why wouldnt u want to learn it |
| 11:52.38 | stardancer | id be in #cobol, wouldnt i? |
| 11:52.52 | stardancer | beause it's a major headache and ive never, ever needed to |
| 11:52.57 | stardancer | i can muddle through it like anyone else |
| 11:53.05 | frzr | well |
| 11:53.08 | stardancer | i will use nano when the option is presented |
| 11:53.12 | abrotman | wonders which channel he's in ... |
| 11:53.13 | stardancer | ill use vim when im forced to |
| 11:53.23 | stardancer | isnt this debate about as old as the editors? |
| 11:53.26 | frzr | when you have to do some more intense text editing in terminal, good luck with nano :) |
| 11:53.33 | stardancer | why would i? |
| 11:53.44 | abrotman | stardancer: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 11:53.50 | stardancer | i didnt bring this up |
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| 11:54.21 | stardancer | screw you for pointing fingers at me, then |
| 11:54.25 | dcpc007 | grr i installed reportbug-ng on a server, i do a ssh -X user@server from my station and got a "reportbug-ng: cannot connect to X server" |
| 11:54.27 | stardancer | as if im the only one talking |
| 11:54.30 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 11:54.30 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 11:54.36 | frzr | yea i guess it is :) i just like it , fine if you dont like it just trying to realize how sweet it is , imagine jumping in a file quickly and just moving blocks around thats a fucking haazzle in nano, so easy in vim :) |
| 11:54.37 | dcpc007 | i hate GUI and X application and management |
| 11:54.38 | abrotman | stardancer: you can end it just as easily, stop responding, it's easy. Thank you |
| 11:54.49 | stardancer | frzr, shhh, quite, there are bitches bitching. |
| 11:54.51 | stardancer | quiet |
| 11:54.56 | abrotman | "To each their own" |
| 11:54.59 | stardancer | abrotman, dont thank me. |
| 11:55.02 | frzr | yeah sorry, ill stop :) |
| 11:55.04 | stardancer | youre not welcome. |
| 11:55.19 | abrotman | Yeah, I think I accurately pointed the finger. |
| 11:55.23 | stardancer | bloody kindergarten teacher |
| 11:55.29 | frzr | Let's make editing great again, 2k16! |
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| 11:55.40 | jelly | stardancer: 10 minutes in the corner! |
| 11:55.54 | abrotman | Aw .. |
| 11:56.04 | Iridos | does he get a hat? |
| 11:56.13 | seeS | I think he didn't realise who the real teacher was there |
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| 11:56.22 | frzr | he could take my stupid-cone for a while |
| 11:56.31 | abrotman | frzr: Please drop it, thank you |
| 11:56.37 | frzr | :) |
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| 11:57.41 | Iridos | stardancer, frzr, you can continue for the next hour on that topic on #debian-offtopic, though |
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| 11:58.18 | frzr | i'm fine thanks :) |
| 11:58.22 | jelly | dcpc007: the remote server may have X11Forwarding disabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 11:58.52 | jelly | dcpc007: if it's enabled, make sure "xauth" is installed there as well |
| 11:58.56 | dcpc007 | ha i check |
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| 11:59.23 | dcpc007 | X11Forwarding yes /// X11DisplayOffset 10 |
| 11:59.52 | dcpc007 | wauth on the server or my computer ? |
| 12:00.26 | jelly | the remote machine |
| 12:00.47 | jelly | you already have it on the client if you're running debian with X |
| 12:01.51 | Agiofws | tx, Audio: Card Intel Device a170 driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1f.3 Sound: ALSA v: k4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 ? |
| 12:02.16 | dcpc007 | ha no should not be installed on this server |
| 12:02.28 | dcpc007 | admin servern with limited need, i check |
| 12:03.36 | dcpc007 | yes perfect :) |
| 12:03.51 | dcpc007 | now will try again the reportbug behind proxy |
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| 12:14.10 | Agiofws | jelly, you think i should update my bios? |
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| 12:16.11 | lantern | does anybody happen to know what the debian package is for the perl module "version"? |
| 12:17.31 | TomTomTo1 | lantern: possibly libperl-version-perl |
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| 12:18.02 | Iridos | lantern, ⦠and you find that with e.g. apt-cache search perl version --names-only |
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| 12:18.56 | blug | is there any decent free e-mail provider nowadays that is not part of the giants? |
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| 12:21.18 | lantern | TomTomTo1: Iridos: i tried that. i'm trying to get 'a2enmod version' to work. none of the pkgs i've installed so far seem to give me that |
| 12:21.44 | jelly | not sure what does perl module have to do with apache module |
| 12:22.49 | Iridos | jelly, the magic of the homonyms? |
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| 12:23.03 | abrotman | nope, I don't get it .. |
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| 12:23.31 | jelly | lantern: what is the apache module named "version" supposed to do? |
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| 12:24.20 | jelly | !goal |
| 12:24.20 | lantern | http://otrs.github.io/doc/manual/admin/stable/en/html/manual-installation-of-otrs.html <-- they're asking for the perl module "version", and later on there is a step that goes `a2enmod perl`, and that has been failing. i'm assuming this is caused by the mission version module |
| 12:24.20 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 12:24.43 | lantern | sorry, that's `a2enmod version` |
| 12:24.49 | jelly | ,v otrs |
| 12:24.50 | judd | Package: otrs on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 3.1.7+dfsg1-8+deb7u5; wheezy: 3.1.7+dfsg1-8+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 3.3.9-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.3.9-3; jessie-backports: 5.0.10-1~bpo8+1; sid: 5.0.12-1; stretch: 5.0.12-1 |
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| 12:25.12 | jelly | lantern: maybe, just maybe consider using the ready-made debian package for otrs? |
| 12:25.16 | jelly | dunno |
| 12:25.19 | lantern | i realize there's a package, but the otrs website explicitly advises against using the pkg |
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| 12:25.49 | jelly | lantern: how does "a2enmod perl" fail? |
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| 12:26.04 | jelly | maybe mod_perl is not installed at all? |
| 12:26.06 | lantern | # a2enmod version |
| 12:26.09 | lantern | ERROR: Module version does not exist! |
| 12:26.25 | jelly | lantern: does your manual say "a2enmod version" anywhere? |
| 12:26.28 | lantern | a2enmod version. not a2enmod perl. i mixed that up |
| 12:26.39 | lantern | yes, it says a2enmod version |
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| 12:26.52 | Drzacek | I'm going to install debian on my laptop now. Is there a way I can change repositories during install so it installs debian testing directly, or do I have to install jessie and then do upgrade? |
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| 12:27.20 | abrotman | lantern: did you do this part: apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-perl2 ? |
| 12:27.47 | missmbob | Drzacek: you should use jessie than upgrade. i tested alpha 7 stretch installer last night...crashed and burned pretty badly on my machine |
| 12:28.08 | jelly | judd: file mod_version.so |
| 12:28.11 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 12:28.33 | jelly | lantern: there's no apache module called "version" in debian 8 |
| 12:28.36 | lantern | abrotman: yes |
| 12:28.48 | jelly | so that will never work |
| 12:28.50 | abrotman | wonders if anyone on the OTRS project has tried those instructions ... |
| 12:29.02 | Drzacek | missmbob, I'm using testing for some time on other machines without problems. Only problem I had was broken KDE, but I somehow resolved that problem |
| 12:29.03 | ransur0t | Drzacek: I did the Jessie --> Stretch method on laptop and it worked great. |
| 12:29.21 | lantern | abrotman: wondering that, too |
| 12:29.23 | jelly | lantern: now we could punt you back to #otrs but maybe try skipping that step |
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| 12:30.00 | Drzacek | ransur0t, I'm sure it worked, but I thought since it will have to do upgrade anyway, why not save time and get stretch instead of jess |
| 12:30.01 | jelly | judd: file mod_version.so --release wheezy |
| 12:30.04 | judd | No packages in wheezy/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 12:30.07 | jelly | nope |
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| 12:30.31 | missmbob | Drzacek: last night it wouldnt boot after install. tried to reinstall and once in the installer it said it couldn't find the usb drive anymore to install from. alpha is..well, alpha |
| 12:31.36 | abrotman | lantern: which version of Debian is this? Jessie? |
| 12:31.39 | Drzacek | missmbob, maybe it's the installer |
| 12:31.40 | jelly | lantern: if, however, you run "apache2ctl -l" on a jessie system, you'll notice mod_version is built in, no reason to a2enmod it |
| 12:31.57 | missmbob | Drzacek: sure it is. thought that's what we were talking about? |
| 12:32.47 | missmbob | Drzacek: if you want to go straight to stretch that's how you do it. otherwise install jessie and upgrade (which is what you should do) |
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| 12:32.59 | Drzacek | well, to the jessie-install then! |
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| 12:33.44 | lantern | abrotman: jelly: ok let me try skipping it for now |
| 12:33.56 | jelly | lantern: mod_version has been built in since debian 7, released 2013, so those docs are somewhat out of date |
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| 12:34.52 | jelly | lantern: upstream's recommendation against debian packaging may be similarly outdated |
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| 12:35.04 | jelly | ymmv. |
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| 12:46.46 | choice | Hello! I am in LibreOffice and say "print" and then nothing happens. No print symbol appears in the desktop panel or anything. What is going on? |
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| 12:49.22 | choice | When I try to print from some other program like the text editor, a printer symbol appears but when I open it, it says "pending" forever. |
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| 12:51.05 | choice | Internet says turning the printer off and on again could help. Trying that... |
| 12:51.06 | choice | It worked o.O |
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| 12:52.09 | hiya | jelly, httpdir is too slow for me in repo |
| 12:52.10 | hiya | what to do? |
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| 12:54.06 | Lal | Hey all, I've been trying to do debian packaging and now I am encountered with few errors, is there any channel where I can ask the doubt ? or is this the right place? |
| 12:54.44 | tx | better place than most |
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| 12:56.35 | ohlaugh | Hi! How can you list, on a terminal, all installed packages from a given component (such as 'non-free') only? |
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| 12:59.19 | Lal | I've trying to do "dpkg-buildpackage" https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mMlMhCSi/error%20package.png |
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| 12:59.41 | Lal | can anyone help? |
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| 13:00.31 | Lal | tx: ,ohlaugh : ping |
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| 13:04.01 | themill | Lal: does the error not explain the problem? |
| 13:04.01 | teraflops | lol choiced did an it crowd |
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| 13:05.04 | themill | Lal: (which part is unclear?) |
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| 13:05.30 | Lal | themill: well its not coming right? |
| 13:05.45 | Lal | themill: The package is not building |
| 13:05.48 | themill | ohlaugh: aptitude search '~i~snon-free' |
| 13:06.16 | ohlaugh | thanks themill. is there a way to do it without aptitude? |
| 13:06.16 | apt | my pleasure, ohlaugh |
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| 13:12.52 | jaegerheimer | sup debian dudes |
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| 13:23.45 | dka | I want to create a class StringStore in java like "MyStringStore", should I use interface or class ? |
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| 13:27.37 | jusss | where i can get the warning or error messages of system at the moment? |
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| 13:28.29 | jusss | dmesg /var/log/messges journalctl what else? |
| 13:28.47 | themill | that depends on what you actually want |
| 13:29.24 | SandyH | Hi, I'm trying to deploy a debian vm in kvm from a Jessie-machine with virt install. The thing is I want to use a preseed and I've writen one witch I pass in the --initrd-inject parameter and I've also added auto=true to my --extra-args |
| 13:29.36 | SandyH | However it does not seem to function as desired |
| 13:29.49 | jusss | like "xxxxx kernel: disabling irq #xxx" |
| 13:29.54 | SandyH | Because once booting I get taken to a Download debconf preconfiguration file prompt |
| 13:30.39 | SandyH | How do I pass a preseed to the installer directly? Without making it available over http? I have the file on the host/hypervisor system |
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| 13:35.46 | SandyH | Anyone? |
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| 13:37.59 | SandyH | Oh fixed it, didn't know it had to be named exactly preseed.cfg |
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| 13:40.15 | hexadecimal | Hi |
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| 13:42.39 | zaturek | hi guys! Somebody could help me to install mariadb? pip install mysql-python: Requirements already statisfied, but i can't: import mysql.connector as mariadb, cos: no module mysql.connector |
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| 13:50.24 | jhutchins_wk | ,v mariadb |
| 13:50.25 | judd | No package named 'mariadb' was found in amd64. |
| 13:51.10 | jhutchins_wk | ,v mariadb-server |
| 13:51.10 | zaturek | mariadb is already installed and tried out. |
| 13:51.11 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.23-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.26-0+deb8u1; sid: 10.0.26-1; sid: 10.0.26-3; stretch: 10.0.26-3 |
| 13:51.17 | Iridos | zaturek, what are you trying to do? |
| 13:51.43 | jelly | zaturek: what is your actual goal? Why are you not using python3-mysql.connector package? |
| 13:52.34 | jhutchins_wk | ,v python-mysql.connector |
| 13:52.35 | judd | Package: python-mysql.connector on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.2-1; jessie: 1.2.3-2; stretch: 2.1.3-1; sid: 2.1.3-1 |
| 13:52.50 | zaturek | Iridos, I try to write python scripts which manage maradb database. I don't use python3 yet, but i want to use it with 2.x |
| 13:53.02 | zaturek | *mariadb |
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| 13:53.50 | jelly | zaturek: is there a reason you're installing via pip when software is available from the distro? |
| 13:54.18 | jelly | apt-cache search mysql.connector |
| 13:54.23 | zaturek | jelly, no, I just tried to import mysql, but can't. |
| 13:54.35 | zaturek | i've tried with apt-get too |
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| 13:54.49 | nkuttler | zaturek: and what happened ten? |
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| 13:55.02 | nkuttler | then even |
| 13:55.29 | zaturek | pip said: requirements statisfied |
| 13:55.30 | jelly | zaturek: you do have to know the right package name, if you use "apt-cache search mysql.connector" to search for that module you'll see there's a "python-mysql.connector" package available |
| 13:55.40 | zaturek | jelly, thanks! |
| 13:55.44 | zaturek | I'll try |
| 13:56.15 | jelly | no need to pull it with pip, unless you need a specific version that's unavaiable in debian |
| 13:56.34 | zaturek | ok |
| 13:56.51 | zaturek | i'm lookingg for the correct package name in apt-cache search |
| 13:57.14 | jelly | use "apt-cache show some-package-name" to look at its details |
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| 13:57.24 | annoymouse4210 | what is maximum limit for stdout? |
| 13:57.40 | jhutchins_wk | annoymouse4210: 42 |
| 13:57.41 | jelly | annoymouse4210: what kind of limit? |
| 13:58.00 | annoymouse4210 | how many line can I print stdout? |
| 13:58.08 | jelly | an infinite number |
| 13:58.10 | annoymouse4210 | printf("ASDASDSDAD....") |
| 13:58.17 | jhutchins_wk | annoymouse4210: How long is a piece of string? |
| 13:58.44 | zaturek | awsome guys! thanks a lot! it's done |
| 13:58.46 | zaturek | :)\ |
| 13:58.51 | annoymouse4210 | line itself is small but many many lines there are |
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| 13:59.02 | nkuttler | annoymouse4210: there is no limit |
| 13:59.02 | jelly | as the ancient philosophers 2 Unlimited theorized, there's no limit |
| 13:59.52 | annoymouse4210 | then is there limit size that I can print at once? |
| 14:00.02 | jelly | annoymouse4210: why do you ask? |
| 14:00.11 | jelly | !ask |
| 14:00.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:00.18 | nkuttler | annoymouse4210: as in line length? |
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| 14:00.36 | annoymouse4210 | I'm passing information between two application using stdout but I'm not sure it can be passed since it is very large amount |
| 14:00.46 | annoymouse4210 | yeah I mean line length nkuttler |
| 14:01.05 | nkuttler | sounds like you should worry about how your apps handle the data, not stdout |
| 14:01.14 | jelly | annoymouse4210: people clone terabyte sized disks using stdout every day |
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| 14:01.21 | annoymouse4210 | aha.. |
| 14:01.23 | nkuttler | but line length, no idea tbh. probably until your memory + swap is exhausted |
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| 14:02.01 | annoymouse4210 | thanks for helping me kindly! |
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| 14:08.01 | debidi | annoymouse4210: join ##c for programming topics |
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| 14:08.43 | annoymouse4210 | ok next time I will ask there, sorry for selecting mischannel |
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| 14:10.09 | meowschwitz | annoymouse4210: you probably want a unix socket then |
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| 14:12.55 | Zew | interesting question |
| 14:13.01 | Zew | interesting answer |
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| 14:14.29 | Agialsa | can anyone tell me wjat dkms is and if it is safe to install oem-audio-hda-daily-lts-vivid-dkms - 0.201509251531~ubuntu14.04.1 from https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/alsa-daily/+packages if i am on debian jessie? |
| 14:14.55 | Agialsa | jelly, are you around? |
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| 14:15.19 | Agialsa | i think i found a solution but its for ubuntu |
| 14:15.23 | meowschwitz | dkms is a framework for building kernel modules |
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| 14:15.47 | meowschwitz | when you install a package, it compiles the driver for the available kernels |
| 14:15.58 | towo` | and installing ubuntu packages in debian is a stupid idea |
| 14:16.00 | meowschwitz | sparing you the necessity of having to do all the build and installation yourself |
| 14:16.05 | meowschwitz | towo`: and dangerous |
| 14:16.08 | meowschwitz | but, often feasible |
| 14:16.19 | Agialsa | http://askubuntu.com/questions/672187/no-audio-output-devices-detected-in-new-computer-build-with-skylake-z170-mothe <--- can you take a look if its safe to |
| 14:16.23 | jelly | Agialsa: no :-) |
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| 14:17.25 | Agialsa | i have found a solution buts its for ubuntu would it be safe to install a deb package from https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/alsa-daily/+packages ? |
| 14:17.35 | meowschwitz | !+tias |
| 14:17.35 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 14:18.01 | Agialsa | do i have to install g++ build essentials and kernel headers? |
| 14:18.28 | meowschwitz | Agialsa: and a bunch of other stuff |
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| 14:18.33 | Agialsa | http://askubuntu.com/questions/672187/no-audio-output-devices-detected-in-new-computer-build-with-skylake-z170-mothe |
| 14:18.43 | Agialsa | for dkms to work? |
| 14:18.46 | meowschwitz | Agialsa: lspci |
| 14:18.52 | meowschwitz | Agialsa: dkms will install it on its own |
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| 14:19.16 | Agialsa | do you install a dkms package with dkms? |
| 14:19.38 | Agialsa | or by installing dkms will install g++ etc...? |
| 14:19.39 | meowschwitz | Agialsa: yes, dkms package will pull all the necessary dependencies |
| 14:20.09 | jelly | except linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 14:20.13 | meowschwitz | jelly: naturally |
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| 14:20.52 | Agialsa | ok i'll have to install that aswell |
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| 14:24.01 | Agialsa | it says "Fixed my system, too! H110 chipset, intel i5-6600K, NVidia GTX960, 8GB RAM" my mobo is h110 chipset |
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| 14:25.46 | Agialsa | meowschwitz, http://codepad.org/hfIsuf6E |
| 14:26.14 | Agialsa | ok installed dkms and the rest |
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| 14:27.48 | meowschwitz | you already have snd_hda_intel |
| 14:27.54 | meowschwitz | what exactly is the problem? |
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| 14:28.55 | jelly | meowschwitz: they have no sound card detected or visible in /dev/snd or "aplay -l", with jessie or jessie-backports kernel |
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| 14:29.48 | meowschwitz | jelly: what does the driver say in dmesg |
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| 14:30.34 | Agialsa | it says |
| 14:30.39 | DammitJim | so, this is something that I should have probably done a looooong time ago, but... |
| 14:30.48 | DammitJim | how do you guys normally take mysql backups on an ongoing automatic basis? |
| 14:30.50 | DammitJim | cron job? |
| 14:30.50 | tx | DammitJim |
| 14:30.52 | tx | what have tou done now |
| 14:30.57 | DammitJim | or for mongoDb |
| 14:31.14 | Agialsa | meowschwitz, http://codepad.org/tMvMlPbd |
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| 14:33.03 | meowschwitz | Agialsa: yep, driver doesn't support it, try finding a newer version |
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| 14:34.12 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: mysqldump in a cron job. |
| 14:34.29 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Pipe it to tgz. |
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| 14:36.27 | meowschwitz | i have replicas and do backups from them |
| 14:36.40 | jelly | DammitJim: sure, cron job and a customized automysqlbackup script from somewhere on the internets |
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| 14:37.11 | jelly | DammitJim: this just generates dumps; filesystem level backups then take care of those. |
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| 14:37.52 | DammitJim | thanks guys |
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| 14:38.01 | DammitJim | how do you take care of passwords? |
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| 14:39.41 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: .my.cnf |
| 14:40.00 | jelly | any passwords required to make it work are unfortunately stored in cleartext somewhere on the fs |
| 14:40.35 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: You can just rely on file backups of /var/lib/mysql |
| 14:40.39 | Drzacek | KDM or SDDM? |
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| 14:41.07 | DammitJim | is this one of those linux things where we make .my.cnf be 600 ? |
| 14:41.07 | meowschwitz | jhutchins_wk: not while the database is running, no |
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| 14:42.57 | jelly | DammitJim: yes |
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| 14:43.26 | M-alex_mayorga | ¡Hola! gnome-weather gives "Gjs-Message: JS LOG: Failed to connect to GeoClue2 service: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Geolocation disabled for UID 1000". Does anyone know a fix? |
| 14:43.28 | jelly | those things are called unix permissions |
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| 14:44.02 | missmbob | M-alex_mayorga: that's well known. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/gnome-weather-forecast-not-available |
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| 14:46.06 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: Not if the server is running though, as you'd get inconsistent (= useless, corrupted) backups. |
| 14:46.33 | M-alex_mayorga | missmbob: Checking, ¡gracias! |
| 14:47.50 | M-alex_mayorga | missmbob: No, that's a different error. |
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| 14:48.14 | M-alex_mayorga | jelly: How to enable geolocation for my ID? |
| 14:48.34 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: Theoretically. In practice it's seldom been a problem. Depends on server traffic I suspect. |
| 14:49.01 | Agialsa | jelly, meowschwitz do i install this oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms_0.201609080501~ubuntu16.04.1_all.deb with dpkg and does it replace snd-intel or alsa will i haveto remove alsa by myself through the package manager? |
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| 14:49.38 | Agialsa | does the deb file compile it self and install with dkms? |
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| 14:51.45 | Agialsa | anyone |
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| 14:54.49 | TheSin | any ruby maintainers here that work on or know about the gitlab package? |
| 14:55.01 | M-alex_mayorga | jelly: So a variant of https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/40360 |
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| 14:55.42 | jhutchins_wk | TheSin: Git has plenty of it's own support channels. |
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| 14:56.09 | TheSin | jhutchins_wk, yes but this is gitlab and it's an issue with the package not the software |
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| 14:57.16 | wallbroken | hi folks |
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| 14:57.46 | wallbroken | do you know some software that calculates hash and writes the result on a text file on every single folder? |
| 14:58.11 | wallbroken | i prefeer that it could work on multi platforms |
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| 14:59.26 | jhutchins_wk | TheSin: The ruby package or the .deb? |
| 14:59.29 | jelly | Agialsa: I have no idea what a package for ubuntu from some PPA is going to do, read their documentation |
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| 15:00.14 | jhutchins_wk | wallbroken: I'd probably use find ... -exec md5sum >> file or some combination like that. |
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| 15:00.20 | TheSin | jhutchins_wk, the deb, I've sumitted a ticket but the upgrade broke it and it won't start now, I'm trying to figure out why |
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| 15:01.25 | TheSin | I knwo forsure the Gemfile wants vmstat 2.1.1 and debian only has 2.1.0 but I patched that already |
| 15:02.03 | jhutchins_wk | TheSin: You're outside the scope of #debian I'm afraid. |
| 15:02.08 | tsahyt | Hello. I've recently upgraded my VPS from Debian 7 to Debian 8 and managed to break SASL auth in postfix in the process. testsaslauthd works as expected. I get a Permission Denied error in the logs, and have tried a few things with permissions which did not work. I've now disabled running postfix in chroot but the error persists. Does anyone have an idea what to try next? |
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| 15:02.38 | TheSin | jhutchins_wk, I disagree but okay I'm on my own then |
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| 15:02.55 | stopMOSSAD | Hi |
| 15:03.43 | tsahyt | oh wow now it works. disabling the chroot AND setting the sasl path directly to /var/run/saslauthd/mux did it |
| 15:04.00 | jhutchins_wk | tsahyt: Good work. |
| 15:04.16 | tsahyt | jhutchins_wk: I've been trying this for a few days now. sorry for bothering |
| 15:04.43 | TheSin | jhutchins_wk, all I knwo is gitlab ppl wont' help cause it's the debian package and changes where thigns are and uses system deps, so they just tell me to install their version which I dont' want to copies of everyone my debian system it's why I use debian. And since the update to 8.9.0 on gitlab now when I try to start it I get http://pastebin.com/kw5SdZ03 which I didnt' before, so it tells me that it is debian some how |
| 15:04.45 | jhutchins_wk | tsahyt: I can't count the number of times I've posted a question to a forum, only to find the answer shortly afterward. |
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| 15:05.13 | tsahyt | it happens. but now that postfix is not running chrooted anymore, I suppose this might have security implications? |
| 15:06.08 | jelly | it might. when was the last time postfix had a security issue? |
| 15:06.17 | jhutchins_wk | tsahyt: I think it's pretty low risk. Long ago there were reasons for running sendmail in chroot, particularly if you were using auto-handling programs. For modern mail there's not much point. |
| 15:06.40 | tsahyt | I've noticed that postfix droped the chroot by default but debian still uses the old defaults. |
| 15:06.59 | jelly | tsahyt: it's not too hard to set up saslauthd to put a socket inside the chroot, tho |
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| 15:07.31 | tsahyt | jelly: well it did have it set up like this but since the upgrade it just stopped working |
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| 15:08.03 | tsahyt | I've been careful to not overwrite the configs for anything in the process, so everything should have stayed the same |
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| 15:09.06 | jelly | speaking in general, some configs need to be adapted on a release upgrade |
| 15:10.05 | tsahyt | I think I'll leave it as it is for now. It's not a high security server as it just holds some of my personal data. Maybe I'll get around to set it up in chroot again in the future. |
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| 15:13.58 | Skyrider | Q. |
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| 15:14.15 | Skyrider | If I get 2 VPS's with both debian on it. One high powered VPS and one with tons of bandwidth. |
| 15:14.18 | Skyrider | Can I combine the two? |
| 15:14.24 | jelly | combine? |
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| 15:15.28 | Skyrider | In a way that the 2 will 'kinda' serve as 1 |
| 15:15.45 | stoned | sure |
| 15:16.00 | `Kevin | Skyrider: what services will the VPSs be providing? |
| 15:16.15 | Skyrider | Define your service thoughts? |
| 15:16.24 | Skyrider | openvps btw. |
| 15:16.26 | Skyrider | errr |
| 15:16.41 | Skyrider | openvz |
| 15:16.45 | stoned | usually vps allow you to cluster them together in the sense that you can pool them and get one ip assinged to the pool which uses load balancing internally |
| 15:16.54 | `Kevin | webserver, database, fileserver... etc |
| 15:16.55 | stoned | Or you can load balance yourself using whatever services need be balanced. |
| 15:17.07 | Agialsa | jelly, so you would not consider it safe to install https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/alsa-daily/+packages in jessie ? |
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| 15:17.16 | stoned | I like RackSpace because of that. |
| 15:17.27 | Agialsa | would it replace current alsa? |
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| 15:18.17 | stoned | Skyrider: is this due to cost or what is the reason for going with 2 servers? |
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| 15:18.53 | unborn | skylite: do happen you know anything about linux server clusters and lead balance or just ordinary user out there? :) |
| 15:18.57 | stoned | Are they selling cpu/mem apart from b/w? I thought you paid for b/w separately for most vps after a certain amount and you mostly only pay for server resources such as cpu time and memory/disk |
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| 15:19.53 | jelly | Agialsa: I'm saying I have no idea what it's supposed to do, and even less what it would do if installed on debian. |
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| 15:20.48 | stoned | Agialsa: it is unwise to contaminate your system with non distro packages (official repository) |
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| 15:20.58 | stoned | And if so, do it as your own risk. It is not supported. |
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| 15:21.10 | unborn | stoned: I thought people are charged per hour like how many hours vps is running regardless of cpu and ram creepy things.. |
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| 15:21.36 | stoned | unborn: that's what I meant. They slice up mem/cpu (in the same sense you meant) |
| 15:21.39 | unborn | or perhaps hes like me - running it from home :) |
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| 15:21.49 | H4ndy | well thats for "modern" cloud hoster |
| 15:21.50 | stoned | My company pays for everything for me. |
| 15:21.51 | Agialsa | stoned, my sound card does not work and its the first post on the net that has a solution http://askubuntu.com/questions/672187/no-audio-output-devices-detected-in-new-computer-build-with-skylake-z170-mothe |
| 15:21.54 | `Kevin | Agialsa: if you want ubuntu packages then you should be on ubuntu :), also those are testing packages in addition |
| 15:21.58 | H4ndy | where you can scale up with a click of a button |
| 15:22.04 | starstuff | How do I get a list of all the i386 packages that I have installed on my amd64 installation of Debian Jessie? |
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| 15:22.16 | Agialsa | stoned, would you think my next step would be to compile snd-intel or alsa and install ? |
| 15:22.42 | stoned | \o/ |
| 15:22.45 | jelly | Agialsa: some stuff I've never tried to do. If you want me to investigate such a setup just for you, that's going to cost about $80/hour |
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| 15:23.09 | Agialsa | some stuff? |
| 15:23.12 | stoned | I would try to find out what is in that package/solution that works. Try to see if you can implement that in debian using official packages. Might have to code/diff/patch/etc. |
| 15:23.16 | stoned | Not sure if you're up to it. |
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| 15:23.28 | unborn | 1+ for jelly :) |
| 15:24.03 | Agialsa | go through the source and compare? |
| 15:24.25 | stoned | Sure. Find out what makes that package different. What's the actual solution? |
| 15:24.30 | stoned | the ACTUAL solution. |
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| 15:24.45 | stoned | not just to install a diff package, but what makes that package be able to solve the problem. |
| 15:25.09 | Agialsa | go through the source |
| 15:25.13 | stoned | \o/ |
| 15:25.21 | stoned | Whatever it takes man. It's your hardware. |
| 15:25.27 | stoned | I'm sure you're motivated to research this. |
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| 15:26.02 | `Kevin | Agialsa: see if the debs have a changelog, if so read through that to see if they mention your issue and diff the changes for that release |
| 15:26.03 | stoned | Or you can try it and see and if your system blows up, don't come crying here. Non debian pckages are not supported here. |
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| 15:26.40 | Agialsa | if i try this http://codepad.org/QZHZNVJ9 can i just revert back by deleting the lines in sources.list? |
| 15:26.41 | unborn | stoned can you actually post your resolution on this instead of if and buts theories? |
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| 15:28.05 | stoned | No. There is no resolution to this. Don't install an ubuntu package on debian. |
| 15:28.21 | stoned | Now, to get your sound card working, that's a diff issue. |
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| 15:28.23 | unborn | nods stoned |
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| 15:28.42 | unborn | only idiot can do such a thing.. ubuntu is ! debian |
| 15:28.53 | unborn | ! means no way |
| 15:28.53 | stoned | So apparently it has something to do with the kernel. |
| 15:28.58 | Agialsa | Changelog |
| 15:28.58 | Agialsa | oem-audio-hda-daily-lts-vivid-dkms (0.201608190747~ubuntu14.04.1) trusty; urgency=low |
| 15:29.04 | Agialsa | and the diff is |
| 15:29.24 | Agialsa | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/279800045/oem-audio-hda-daily-lts-vivid-dkms_0.201608180746~ubuntu14.04.1_0.201608190747~ubuntu14.04.1.diff.gz |
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| 15:29.56 | unborn | stoned: perhpas you should tell user to love ubuntu or something - or if you do write drivers - some manual so we can all learn. |
| 15:30.29 | stoned | unborn: your antognism will cause you to soon be ignored. |
| 15:30.36 | unborn | Agialsa: hi, are you on ubuntu? |
| 15:30.40 | Agialsa | can't i just download bleeding edge alsa compile and install if its alsa? |
| 15:30.48 | Agialsa | no jessie stable |
| 15:30.50 | unborn | stoned for? |
| 15:31.02 | stoned | Agialsa: I was going to suggest a sid backport or the alsa packages |
| 15:31.10 | stoned | simple sid backport |
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| 15:31.25 | stoned | s/or/for/ |
| 15:31.32 | stoned | But hang on |
| 15:32.07 | unborn | Agialsa: sure.. thing is you can have look what ubuntu does to install.. and then reproduce in real environment - meaning ubuntu installed in virtual box.. |
| 15:32.14 | Agialsa | is there a way i can search for alsa backports packages? |
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| 15:32.42 | stoned | Agialsa: you'll have to rebuild the latest drivers. I'm not sure exactly what the issue is w/ the driver/kernel |
| 15:32.42 | unborn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.46 | Agialsa | or does apt-cache search do it for me? |
| 15:33.00 | stoned | !ssb |
| 15:33.01 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 15:33.01 | Agialsa | snd-intel drivers? |
| 15:33.23 | unborn | means it is bringing me back to what jelly said earlier and i noded him for this.. i shall stick with him. |
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| 15:33.55 | jusss | when I shut down my system. and it stuck in "kvm: existing hardware virtualization" and I have to power off though handle |
| 15:34.06 | Agialsa | how do i tell apt-get to serach for backported packages? |
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| 15:34.25 | jusss | is anyone here meet this before? |
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| 15:34.35 | Agialsa | or does it do it automatically? |
| 15:34.36 | somiaj | Agialsa: you would have to use aptitude to search packags that come from a paticuarl repo. |
| 15:34.47 | somiaj | Agialsa: if you have jessie-backport in your sources, it will be included in your search. |
| 15:34.51 | Agialsa | not apt-get? |
| 15:34.53 | somiaj | Agialsa: apt-cache policy packagename is useful too |
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| 15:35.08 | Agialsa | i think i included it yesterday |
| 15:35.12 | somiaj | Agialsa: apt-get doesn't search, do you mean apt-cache search? Or do you mean something else? |
| 15:35.22 | Agialsa | apt-cache |
| 15:35.39 | jusss | pacman :) |
| 15:35.54 | somiaj | I don't think there is a way to tell apt-cache search to only earch certain repos. aptitude search is way more powerful because of all the search flags you can use to narrow your search. |
| 15:36.03 | unborn | jusss: oh yeah! |
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| 15:36.19 | jusss | pacman -Fs is more powerful than apt-cache or apt-xxx |
| 15:36.20 | Agialsa | does apt-cache search go through pbackports aswell ? or do you have to specifically tell it to if you have inclided backports in sources.list? |
| 15:36.48 | jusss | it's true! and I think debian should add something like pacman -F |
| 15:36.49 | somiaj | Agialsa: apt-cache search searches through all packages in your sources database. |
| 15:36.56 | somiaj | jusss: use aptitude |
| 15:37.16 | jusss | somiaj: aptitude search is not good |
| 15:37.18 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html |
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| 15:38.13 | stoned | Agialsa: try the backported kernel first. |
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| 15:38.25 | somiaj | jusss: I don't know what you are talking about then. with aptitude you can narrow search to search for amost any category in the package data. |
| 15:38.45 | somiaj | But I don't know pacman to say what flags -F would be with aptitude search. |
| 15:38.58 | starstuff | How do I get a list of all the i386 packages that I have installed on my amd64 installation of Debian Jessie? |
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| 15:39.06 | stoned | Agialsa: you have to add packports repository line to soruces.list |
| 15:39.24 | Agialsa | i have |
| 15:39.26 | somiaj | stoned: dpkg -l | grep :i386 is one way |
| 15:39.30 | Agialsa | since yesterday |
| 15:39.40 | jusss | starstuff: that's huge! |
| 15:39.50 | Agialsa | which package included snd-intel? |
| 15:39.54 | starstuff | jusss: what? |
| 15:40.07 | stoned | Agialsa: kernel images |
| 15:40.08 | jusss | I meant the number of packages |
| 15:40.30 | stoned | i think. |
| 15:40.39 | starstuff | jusss: I don't really believe so. It's an amd64 installation with multi-arch of only some i386 packages. |
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| 15:41.01 | starstuff | jusss: Do you know how to get the list of that? |
| 15:41.03 | Agialsa | snd_hda_intel |
| 15:41.07 | unborn | starstuff: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+do+I+get+a+list+of+all+the+i386+packages+that+I+have+installed+on+my+amd64+installation+of+Debian+Jessie%3F |
| 15:41.44 | Skyrider | stoned: Ya, Usually grabbing 'cheap' vps for now usage, and see what happens later. But I can get a pretty cheap unmetered vps as well, (low ram of course), but useful for file balancing bandwidth wise. and unborn: Never tried clusters before or anything like this remotely. |
| 15:41.52 | Agialsa | so basically i'll have to compile a latest vanilla kernel or find the sources of snd_hda_intel? |
| 15:42.16 | Agialsa | latest sources of snd_hda_intel? |
| 15:42.20 | starstuff | unborn: I guess that's not helpful to me. |
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| 15:42.35 | stoned | Agialsa: try the backport kernel, 4.x something |
| 15:42.37 | unborn | Skyrider: hi.. nova days no one meters you cpu or ram - that is just bullshit. |
| 15:42.38 | somiaj | stoned: aptitude search ~i~ri386 will also work |
| 15:42.41 | jusss | starstuff: I don't know how to get all of them, but you can search the cache directory to get part of them that you installed |
| 15:43.05 | Skyrider | unborn: The bandwidth is limited (on the higher powered vps) 2TB |
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| 15:43.10 | Skyrider | Second VPS that I have in mind is unmetered. |
| 15:43.14 | somiaj | starstuff: sorry, look at my last two comments to stoned (I had a bad tab completion) |
| 15:43.21 | Skyrider | Hence, the bandwidth balance q. |
| 15:43.34 | unborn | starstuff: well there you go.. google is good thing.. i bet you will found your answer there or perhaps you can hire someone to help you with it.. that is 1000% sure |
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| 15:44.04 | starstuff | somiaj: Okay thank you |
| 15:44.11 | Agialsa | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel go this way? |
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| 15:44.32 | Agialsa | uname -r |
| 15:44.32 | Agialsa | 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 15:44.33 | starstuff | unborn: What is your issue? Linking to lmgtfy and then suggesting that I hire someone. Do you have an issue? |
| 15:44.36 | unborn | Skyrider: the bandwidth? for server? - who on earth could parasites on that asset in those days... are you serious ? |
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| 15:44.48 | stoned | Agialsa: add a packports line to sources list, install the 4.x kernel for your arch from backports. see if that helps as the problems seems to be prior to kernels 3.19x for your chipset etc. |
| 15:45.15 | unborn | starstuff: there is no issue.. what is yours? |
| 15:45.24 | unborn | reev: issues |
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| 15:45.30 | starstuff | somiaj: That command "dpkg -l | grep :i386" worked very well thank you for the helpful response. |
| 15:45.40 | Skyrider | I usually am serious ^^. |
| 15:46.18 | unborn | Skyrider: then I would very much strongly suggest you to change that isp provider.. |
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| 15:46.39 | stoned | starstuff: apt list --installed |grep 386 |
| 15:46.40 | Skyrider | I'm lost, why exactly? |
| 15:46.40 | stoned | also maybe |
| 15:46.43 | stoned | there is the apt tool |
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| 15:48.00 | stoned | stoned@Stoned-PC:~$ aptitude search '~i'|grep 386 |
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| 15:48.05 | stoned | and that |
| 15:48.21 | stoned | Trying to remember all the diff ways |
| 15:48.53 | stoned | dpkg --get-selections|grep 386 |
| 15:48.54 | dpkg | i don't know, stoned |
| 15:49.01 | stoned | np, bot, I know. |
| 15:49.29 | Agialsa | stoned, my kernel is 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
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| 15:49.38 | Agialsa | what else should i do ? |
| 15:49.51 | somiaj | stoned: aptitude search ~i~ri386 as well |
| 15:50.36 | Agialsa | stoned i'm somewhat confused what should i compile alsa firmware does that contain the snd driver http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/GIT_Server ? |
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| 15:50.58 | ueber | hi there |
| 15:51.05 | somiaj | Agialsa: if the backported kernel contains the newer drivers, I would use that over complining your own driver |
| 15:51.07 | stoned | driver modules are already in the kernel image |
| 15:51.17 | unborn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.17 | unborn | Uptime: 55m 26s ** |
| 15:51.28 | ueber | I get the following error when trying to install ncftp |
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| 15:51.40 | unborn | Agialsa: 4.6 are you running testing or unstable? |
| 15:51.48 | ueber | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package 'tasksel-data' is missing final newline E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 15:51.49 | dpkg | ueber: what are you talking about? |
| 15:51.49 | stoned | You can try to compile the from soruce and insert/probe the modules and see if that works |
| 15:52.14 | somiaj | ueber: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:52.17 | glcx | unborn, did you just fail ? |
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| 15:52.30 | stoned | glcx: yes. |
| 15:52.31 | unborn | glcx: with what? |
| 15:52.37 | stoned | He is on stable. |
| 15:52.53 | ueber | Debian GNU/Linux 8 |
| 15:52.59 | unborn | oh i see..yap i did :D |
| 15:53.05 | glcx | ahah |
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| 15:53.40 | `Kevin | Skyrider: again what services are to be running? a webserver, or what? If this is undetermined then we cannot really provide you with any direction.. typically something like haproxy will work and offer you the balancing you need (more traffic for X node) |
| 15:53.51 | magyar | hi, is there a fiddler like application in debian repos? |
| 15:54.03 | ueber | somiaj: any suggestion? |
| 15:54.06 | somiaj | ueber: looks like you have some corruption in your dtabase with the package tasksel-data. I'm unsure the best way to fix it, but maybe try to just reinstall it. apt-get --reinstall install tasksel-data (does that help)? |
| 15:54.15 | somiaj | magyar: what does fiddler do? |
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| 15:54.37 | magyar | plays music :) |
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| 15:54.53 | ueber | somiaj: no, same error with that too |
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| 15:55.19 | somiaj | magyar: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4355320/is-there-a-standard-alternative-to-fiddler-fiddler2-for-linux |
| 15:55.26 | jhutchins_wk | magyar: There are MANY music playing apps in Linux. I would guess more than a dozen. |
| 15:55.31 | somiaj | magyar: well there are other music players, but unsure what sort of compadability you need. |
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| 15:56.43 | somiaj | ueber: I'm unsure what file is corrupt in this case. I would try to just remove tasksel-data package, but after the install I don't use tasksel (unsure if it will remove any of your task packages though) |
| 15:57.12 | magyar | somiaj: jhutchins_wk; I was messing around >> Fiddler is an HTTP debugging proxy server application |
| 15:57.53 | Aorious | Hello, after a BIOS update, my notebook's wireless no longer connects. Under the Gnome "Network" settings, it just loads and then does nothing. How do I fix this? |
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| 15:58.30 | jhutchins_wk | magyar: Ah, easy answer: use fiddler. |
| 15:58.45 | jhutchins_wk | magyar: http://fiddler.wikidot.com/mono |
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| 15:59.09 | somiaj | ueber: seems the corrupt fiel is /var/lib/dpkg/info/tasksel-data.list |
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| 15:59.31 | jhutchins_wk | Aorious: You may need new firmware. dmessg | less and see if it mentions the chipset. |
| 15:59.35 | ueber | somiaj: yes |
| 15:59.53 | somiaj | ueber: I see one thread that says you can just delete (I would mv that file somewhere) and then reinstall the tasksel-data package to regenerate it. |
| 16:00.15 | ueber | somiaj: what should I mv there ? |
| 16:00.33 | somiaj | ueber: you should mv that file somewhere else (so you have a backup/can move it back if it makes it worse) |
| 16:00.53 | ueber | somiaj: mv tasksel-data.* ? |
| 16:00.53 | somiaj | but what I am seeing is people who have had this problem, this fixed it, after the file is no longer there, you can at least reinstall the package to regenerate the file |
| 16:01.04 | somiaj | ueber: I would just just the .list file that is being complianed about |
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| 16:01.11 | ueber | ok |
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| 16:02.49 | Aorious | jhutchins_wk: I already have the backports kernel and firmware-brcm80211. It was working before the BIOS update. |
| 16:03.27 | ueber | somiaj: it worked! thanks! :)) |
| 16:03.49 | somiaj | Aorious: check the BIOS settings, maybe the nic is disabled or in some strange mode that needs to be toggled. |
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| 16:05.07 | somiaj | Aorious: All though I doubt a BIOS update would do this, you could make sure the network card is being identified the same way, i.e. wlan1 vs wlan0 due to hardware address change, or check dmesg. See if you can get any info about what the wireless card is being detected/loaded as |
| 16:05.20 | ueber | great somiaj :) |
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| 16:09.16 | Aorious | somiaj: BIOS/UEFI only shows an "enabled" check box for the wireless. Nothing has changed. |
| 16:09.38 | somiaj | Aorious: then check demsg, see what the wireless card is being detected as |
| 16:09.59 | Agialsa | can someone tell me why when i do git clone git://git.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver.git i get only a readme file inside the directory? |
| 16:10.15 | Aorious | The card is still wlan0 as before, I still check the dmsg now. |
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| 16:11.19 | jhutchins_wk | Agialsa: That's all that's in the repo. |
| 16:11.28 | SynrG | Agialsa: my guess is that the "good stuff" is on a branch, and the web page linking to it would explain what branch to check out |
| 16:11.35 | SynrG | oh? |
| 16:11.40 | SynrG | hm |
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| 16:13.07 | SynrG | Agialsa: git branch -a |
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| 16:13.23 | SynrG | Agialsa: e.g. 'git checkout release' shows me a different view. |
| 16:13.56 | SynrG | Agialsa: also the README *explains* why. heh. :) and basically duplicates what I just said |
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| 16:14.03 | Agialsa | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/GIT_Server |
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| 16:14.56 | jhutchins_wk | SynrG: What a concept, actually reading a README file. |
| 16:15.14 | Agialsa | SynrG, i read it but i don't understand how to get the source can you explain please? |
| 16:15.31 | SynrG | Agialsa: i think you don't understand git |
| 16:15.50 | SynrG | you *have* the source |
| 16:16.09 | jhutchins_wk | Agialsa: I think you will observe that most of that project is rather old, only a couple of things have been updated recently. |
| 16:16.11 | SynrG | Agialsa: the README explains quite adequately what to do with it |
| 16:16.52 | Agialsa | where can i get the latest alsa source? |
| 16:16.53 | stoned | Agialsa: apt-get install git, then in a new directory, git clone git://git.alsa-project.org/alsa-firmware.git alsa-firmware |
| 16:17.00 | stoned | that will download the soruce into a directory |
| 16:17.10 | SynrG | Agialsa: also the web page you linked to does explain what to do with the repo, under "Occasional Developers" |
| 16:17.13 | stoned | Agialsa: read the git intro/tutorial. |
| 16:17.53 | Agialsa | it works for alsa-firmware but not for alsadriver |
| 16:17.56 | jhutchins_wk | stoned: Actually, none of that addresses his issue. |
| 16:18.07 | SynrG | Agialsa: what "it" doesn't work? |
| 16:18.25 | jhutchins_wk | Agialsa: I suggest you poke around on the web site a bit until you understand what's there. |
| 16:18.30 | Agialsa | git clone git://git.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver.git do i have to add some other option to get the source? |
| 16:18.43 | jhutchins_wk | Agialsa: Yes. |
| 16:18.44 | SynrG | Agialsa: that command has downloaded the source. |
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| 16:18.56 | SynrG | Agialsa: and the README explains what to do with it |
| 16:19.09 | SynrG | Agialsa: your mistake is assuming that it is "empty" because you only see the README |
| 16:19.12 | SynrG | Agialsa: you are wrong |
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| 16:19.56 | SynrG | Agialsa: when you clone a repository with multiple branches, all you intitially see is the default branch, usually called 'master' |
| 16:20.05 | SynrG | Agialsa: 'git checkout' is used to check out different branches. |
| 16:20.20 | SynrG | Agialsa: for example, 'git checkout release' checks out the release branch. etc. |
| 16:20.30 | SynrG | Agialsa: and 'git branch -a' shows all the branches you're tracking |
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| 16:20.59 | SynrG | ah, local *and* remote branches. not just ones you're tracking |
| 16:21.28 | Agialsa | so in the directory i do git checkout release ? |
| 16:21.35 | SynrG | no. |
| 16:21.44 | SynrG | what you do is read the README and do what it says to do. |
| 16:21.53 | SynrG | i'm just explaining the bits of git that you apparently don't understand. |
| 16:22.01 | SynrG | i'm not going to read the README to you |
| 16:22.17 | tabakhase | man that "only a readme on the master branch" is pretty damn neat :D - imma copy that LUL |
| 16:22.55 | SynrG | tabakhase: because of their particular workflow, it makes sense. |
| 16:23.07 | Agialsa | alsa-driver$ mmerge |
| 16:23.08 | Agialsa | bash: mmerge: command not found |
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| 16:24.05 | jim | hi... my video's pciid is 8086:1916, which X driver package is that? |
| 16:24.12 | tabakhase | no idea of there flow, but i cant wait for the giggle of closing a "only downloaded a readme file" issue with a "open it..." |
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| 16:24.52 | Agialsa | how do i download the release branch ? |
| 16:24.55 | Agialsa | ~/Downloads/alsa-driver$ git branch -a |
| 16:24.55 | Agialsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.55 | Agialsa | * release |
| 16:24.59 | SynrG | Agialsa: i added the aliases to my .git/config and typed 'git mmerge'. seems to work for me |
| 16:25.20 | Agialsa | oh git in front |
| 16:25.23 | SynrG | you already *have* the release branch. you don't need to "download" it |
| 16:25.24 | Agialsa | ok |
| 16:25.55 | jim | how can he switch to it? |
| 16:25.56 | Agialsa | if i have it how am i going to compile the source code there is nothing there |
| 16:26.39 | jim | try git checkout release |
| 16:26.47 | jim | then git branch |
| 16:26.52 | jhutchins_wk | Agialsa: Why would you compile somethinhg that's three years old and probably already packaged in debian? |
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| 16:27.08 | Agialsa | because sound card does not work |
| 16:27.18 | Agialsa | i need LATEST sndintel driver |
| 16:27.26 | Agialsa | git checkout release && git merge --log build would download the code ? |
| 16:27.42 | SynrG | you keep saying "download". this is the wrong word |
| 16:28.01 | jim | again, you have it if you cloned the repo just now |
| 16:28.03 | Agialsa | download the source folder ? |
| 16:28.04 | SynrG | when you did the git clone, you already downloaded it |
| 16:28.20 | Agialsa | ls produces nada SynrG |
| 16:28.33 | SynrG | Agialsa: again, you misunderstand git. |
| 16:28.48 | SynrG | the whole repository is cloned in your alsa-driver/.git/ directory |
| 16:28.58 | Agialsa | athena@athenaPC:~/Downloads/alsa-driver$ ls |
| 16:28.58 | Agialsa | alsa Documentation include scripts sound |
| 16:28.58 | SynrG | and various git commands are used to checkout different branches, etc. |
| 16:29.01 | Agialsa | ok sorry |
| 16:29.15 | jim | Agialsa, maybe you need to read "git from the bottom up" to see how git works, and maybe look at some intro videos |
| 16:29.15 | SynrG | this project's workflow involves merging code which is kept in multiple branches |
| 16:29.27 | SynrG | and the web page you linked before gave instructions *for developers* for how to do that |
| 16:29.42 | SynrG | if you're not interested in being a developer (or doing the things a developer would have to do, at least) then maybe give up |
| 16:29.52 | jim | Agialsa, there's a few misconceptions that you have, that should clear them right up |
| 16:29.53 | SynrG | but if you are interested, you need to study a bit more |
| 16:30.00 | Agialsa | but when i ran git clone git://git.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver.git ls listed nothing |
| 16:30.19 | SynrG | Agialsa: what you're missing is the huge amount of material in .git |
| 16:30.25 | SynrG | Agialsa: ls -l alsa-driver/.git |
| 16:30.37 | SynrG | -lR i mean |
| 16:30.58 | Agialsa | git checkout release downloaded the files or the previous command |
| 16:31.13 | SynrG | Agialsa: all of the pack-* files contain all the material |
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| 16:31.44 | SynrG | no, git checkout release did not *download* anything :) |
| 16:32.08 | Agialsa | http://codepad.org/7rV2LomA ok |
| 16:32.13 | SynrG | https://git-scm.com/docs/git-checkout |
| 16:32.26 | Aorious | somiaj, This is my dmesg https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ab1aced4/ |
| 16:32.29 | SynrG | "Updates files in the working tree to match the version in the index or the specified tree." |
| 16:32.33 | SynrG | ^ nowhere does that say "download" |
| 16:32.40 | Agialsa | i ahve to leave now next step is to compile snd_hda_driver thank you i'll be back |
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| 16:35.41 | Aorious | somiaj, AFAIK it loads as brcmfmac. There are some errors about firmware not loading, however I think these were also there before. maybe relating to bluetooth. |
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| 16:36.04 | Aorious | Wireless is displayed in gnome and can scan for networks. It only fails to complete a connect. |
| 16:37.06 | jim | do you have a root shell right now |
| 16:38.14 | Aorious | I do |
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| 16:40.12 | Aorious | jim, *I do, if you are asking me. |
| 16:41.10 | Strykar | what user should unbound run as? I installed it and it shows up as running under my user account |
| 16:41.10 | jim | ``do you have a wlan0 device? (look at ip l or ifconfig) |
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| 16:42.14 | Aorious | jim, Yes, `sudo ipconfig` shows wlan0. |
| 16:42.37 | jim | ipconfig? what';s that? |
| 16:42.53 | Aorious | ifconfig* |
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| 16:43.21 | Aorious | jim, `sudo ifconfig` shows wlan0. |
| 16:43.29 | jim | oh ok, I remember ipconfig from some windows install I used to have |
| 16:44.03 | jim | ok, good... try these: ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist scan |
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| 16:45.13 | Midnightx | hi everyone |
| 16:45.24 | Midnightx | i am new in debian |
| 16:45.32 | jim | welcome. |
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| 16:45.58 | Midnightx | anyway i got problem gnupg |
| 16:46.08 | Midnightx | always got error in here |
| 16:46.23 | Aorious | jim, `sudo ifconfig wlan0 up; sudo iwlist scan`, lo does not suport scanning, wlan0 scan completed. It shows my router, do you need the results? |
| 16:46.51 | missmbob | !tell Midnightx -about doesn't work |
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| 16:47.06 | jim | Aorious, no... that verifies the radio in the card, and the card itself is working |
| 16:47.38 | jim | !sicco |
| 16:47.38 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 16:48.05 | jim | heh,,, it's still there :) |
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| 16:48.16 | Midnightx | gpg: requesting key 2B6F76DA from hkp server keys.gnupg.net gpg: keyserver timed out |
| 16:49.06 | Midnightx | did i need set my iptables |
| 16:49.48 | jim | Aorious, so then the only thing left is to get connected... do you have something like network-manager (or wicd is similar)? |
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| 16:50.25 | jim | also, do you have a wired eth? |
| 16:51.10 | Aorious | jim, Details of wireless router are saving in the Gnome Network settings. I click on it to connect. It loads and does nothing. I do not have an ethernet ports, Dell XPS 15 (9550), I can use Android teathering. |
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| 16:51.55 | Aorious | It just says "connecting", shows the loading animation circle and stops. |
| 16:51.56 | jim | so you can get on the net with your cell? |
| 16:52.04 | Aorious | Yes |
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| 16:54.42 | Aorious | jim, I can temporarly use Android tethering, to get internet access on the system. What must I do to fix the wireless? |
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| 16:55.08 | jhutchins_wk | Aorious: You should look at what dmesg says when it tries to connect. |
| 16:56.28 | jim | the driver is working... that's a pretty big hurdle |
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| 16:57.55 | TheSin | jhutchins_wk, I found the issue, it's somethign in the ruby-devise-4.1.1-3 update form -2, I rolled back to -2 and it all works 100% |
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| 17:00.22 | jhutchins_wk | TheSin: Glad you found it! |
| 17:00.50 | TheSin | jhutchins_wk, thanks not to make that pkg as hold and report the bug |
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| 17:04.48 | Aorious | jhutchins_wk: Here is the output of dmesg, during an attempted connection. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/1fbabe35/ |
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| 17:08.10 | beastwick | hi, when doing an install from source with cmake, is it possible to be more specific with where LIB files should go? I can set the prefix to like /usr, but I need the lib files to go into /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| 17:09.21 | jim | why cmake? settings for lib places (and such) would go in the makefile |
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| 17:13.35 | Aorious | Is there nothing I can do? :( |
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| 17:20.23 | jim | what does bind9 log to? |
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| 17:21.36 | jim | I'm trying to debug an issue in bind where it correctly returns hostnames for ips in one reverse zone, but not another, where it returns SERVFAIL, would be nice to know where bind9 logs to so I can figure out what's wrong |
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| 17:27.42 | jhutchins_wk | jim: grep -r bind /var/log/* |
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| 17:28.07 | jhutchins_wk | jim: I think it's in the daemon log. |
| 17:28.26 | ioudas | bind 9 has a query log and a update log which are specific to the OS. rest goes to syslog and daemon log. |
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| 17:38.13 | Agialsa | is anyone here familiar with git |
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| 17:39.36 | missmbob | Agialsa: there is #github. lots of people there |
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| 17:46.01 | AimHere | Agialsa, there's also #git |
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| 17:48.35 | jim | Agialsa, two other info sources: There is a bot, alis, that can assist you in looking for channels on the Freenode irc net. To start, /msg alis help and http://justinhileman.info/article/git-pretty/git-pretty.png |
| 17:48.57 | jim | also, |
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| 17:50.46 | jim | Agialsa, https://jwiegley.github.io/git-from-the-bottom-up/ |
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| 17:51.23 | missmbob | huh. never noticed wget uses hsts until now. neat |
| 17:51.25 | babilen | Agialsa: https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2 is really worth it |
| 17:52.18 | jim | if you're going to be using git for anything more than just grabbing source it would be good to know git pretty well... as good as git is, it has gotchas |
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| 17:53.59 | _abc_ | Hello. Am having trouble with *new* kernels on an *old* laptop with radeon ati. Am looking at new laptops with new kernels. Is i915 usually trouble free? Specifically I have etch with a 2.6 kernel working including suspend, but 3.x kernel on the same system freezes on suspend. The problem is radeon related, using either the vga mode, nouveau, or binary radeon from ati. Suspend and resume from non gui console |
| 17:54.06 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.08 | _abc_ | ... same thing on this machine. The freeze on wake is at bios level, caps lock does not work etc. |
| 17:54.24 | _abc_ | So am looking for info, good/bad, on what chipsets are less temperamental. i915 is better? |
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| 17:55.08 | jim | jhutchins_wk, good hint... maybe I can use it to figure where anything logs, and no ask so many questions |
| 17:55.44 | greycat | git got gotchas? got it. |
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| 17:58.19 | _abc_ | hehe git is made of gotchas |
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| 18:00.05 | _abc_ | http://www.calculushumor.com/calculus-humor/xkcd-git obligatory xkcd meme |
| 18:00.18 | greycat | I think I know which one that is... |
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| 18:00.42 | _abc_ | No gui greycat ? |
| 18:00.58 | _abc_ | has met several people on irc who use vtxxxes -- nice to know ;) |
| 18:01.08 | greycat | I can get URLs into a browser window with several copy/paste steps... but it's quicker to pattern-match inside my brain. |
| 18:01.38 | greycat | And yes, it was https://xkcd.com/1597/ as I expected. |
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| 18:05.42 | lowin | What's the service name for alsa? |
| 18:06.18 | greycat | titan:~$ systemctl status | grep -i alsa |
| 18:06.18 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.27 | greycat | Don't think there is one. At least not by default. |
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| 18:07.30 | lowin | So how does one make reload configuration? or does it use new configuration for new programs? |
| 18:07.39 | lowin | new processes* |
| 18:07.45 | greycat | ("what configuration?") |
| 18:07.52 | lowin | .asoundrc |
| 18:08.06 | greycat | That's read by applications as they start up, yeah. If it exists. Which it doesn't by default. |
| 18:08.15 | lowin | ok cool |
| 18:08.17 | lowin | thanks |
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| 18:10.10 | FaTony | how can I make a tar.gz file of all files in the current directory? |
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| 18:10.23 | greycat | tar czf ../myfiles.tar.gz . |
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| 18:10.46 | greycat | c = create, z = invoke gzip, f = the following argument is the output filename |
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| 18:11.08 | jhutchins_wk | FaTony: It's often a good idea to cd .. and run tar from there. That way when the file is extracted, it will create the directory too. |
| 18:11.12 | FaTony | but I open the archive and it contains . as the parent directory |
| 18:11.22 | greycat | That is not a problem. |
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| 18:11.36 | greycat | extracting ./foo is exactly the same as extracting foo |
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| 18:14.18 | magyar | jhutchins_wk: which mono package for jessie ? |
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| 18:15.59 | FaTony | ok, what if I want to zip some other directory? |
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| 18:16.33 | greycat | in general, the syntax is tar czf _tarfilename_ _directoryname_ |
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| 18:16.54 | gasull | Is it possible to install wine32 without uninstalling any packages? The aptitude --safe-resolver doesn't offer any options, and the unsafe one shows many possibilities always involving removing stuff. |
| 18:16.56 | FaTony | it makes the whole directory tree inside the archive |
| 18:17.21 | greycat | But the real question you want to ask yourself is how the things should look when you extract them. Do you want to extract "foo", "bar", "README" etc. all in the current dir? Or do you want to extract "myproject-1.2.3/foo" etc.? |
| 18:17.35 | jhutchins_wk | magyar: The one it says to use on the homepage. |
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| 18:18.07 | FaTony | greycat, I'm trying to make an orig archive for debuild to build a deb package |
| 18:18.17 | jhutchins_wk | magyar: You were looking at running fiddler? |
| 18:18.44 | FaTony | I think it doesn't expect a directory tree inside |
| 18:18.58 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ tar tzvf tmp/greycat-scripts_0.1.orig.tar.gz |
| 18:18.58 | greycat | drwxr-xr-x wooledg/wooledg 0 2016-06-17 10:32 greycat-scripts-0.1/ |
| 18:18.58 | greycat | -rwxr-xr-x wooledg/wooledg 59 2016-06-17 10:10 greycat-scripts-0.1/args |
| 18:18.59 | magyar | jhutchins_wk: got it, thank you |
| 18:19.18 | greycat | I don't think I created it by hand, though. I think the debian stuff created it *for me*. |
| 18:19.44 | FaTony | greycat, how can I use debian stuff to create it for me? |
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| 18:20.03 | FaTony | greycat, or is it possible to not have an orig archive? |
| 18:20.39 | greycat | I just followed the instructions. This was months ago. I wasn't even doing it as a serious project. There was some idiot asking questions about it here and he was told to follow the instructions and he couldn't. So I did it just to verify that it can be done. |
| 18:20.42 | missmbob | greycat: speaking of...any new scripts worth mentioning? |
| 18:21.30 | greycat | !package basics |
| 18:21.30 | dpkg | "Basics of the Debian package management system" is a chapter of the Debian GNU/Linux <FAQ>, which describes the Debian package format. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics . To create your own Debian packages, ask me about <nmg>. |
| 18:21.37 | greycat | Maybe that was it? I don't even remember where the instructions are. |
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| 18:23.07 | greycat | nmg -> http://deb.li/3DiDA -> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ looks like the one I followed. |
| 18:23.18 | greycat | It definitely wasn't a PDF. |
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| 18:24.22 | greycat | missmbob: no, nothing really useful in there. The closest thing to a generically useful script is args which is 4 lines. |
| 18:24.51 | FaTony | greycat, I was making orig packages using gui, but now I'm writing a c++ program to do this to me |
| 18:25.03 | greycat | I don't even understand what you are saying. |
| 18:25.10 | FaTony | for me* |
| 18:25.14 | greycat | You create packages by typing commands in an interactive shell. Period. |
| 18:26.01 | FaTony | I don't know what to type to make a orig.tar.gz, I was using a gui file manager to do that |
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| 18:26.26 | greycat | Just stop doing that and read https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 18:26.45 | greycat | Go slowly. Make sure you actually understand. It may take you an hour or two the first time, but it's all there. |
| 18:26.52 | missmbob | i gotta say i'm curious as to what the fuck he was using |
| 18:27.07 | greycat | I have learned not to ask such questions. |
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| 18:28.09 | FaTony | I think my DE (MATE) uses engrampa to make archives |
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| 18:29.22 | greycat | It really, truly *does not matter* how you have created .tar.gz filese in the past. Creating a Debian *package* is an entirely different procedure. |
| 18:29.42 | ripdisk | so, in order to get a 586 kernel i have to use jessie or previous right |
| 18:30.03 | greycat | You work inside the source-directory and you type magical Debian commands and it spits out the .orig.tar.gz file at the end. |
| 18:30.43 | ripdisk | where can i find jessie? |
| 18:30.51 | missmbob | ripdisk: debian.org |
| 18:30.51 | greycat | www.debian.org |
| 18:31.02 | ripdisk | i'm there, i can only find like |
| 18:31.04 | ripdisk | the newer ones |
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| 18:31.10 | greycat | A Big Green Download Button |
| 18:31.12 | missmbob | jessie is the newest |
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| 18:31.26 | ripdisk | oh... |
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| 18:31.27 | greycat | OK, not as big as I thought. And it's green-on-white. |
| 18:31.29 | ripdisk | so what does this mean, guys? |
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| 18:31.34 | missmbob | ripdisk: jessie is fine |
| 18:31.36 | FaTony | greycat, I have no idea what creates orig.tar.gz, but "debuild -us -c" makes deb package and reprepro puts it in the repository |
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| 18:31.43 | ripdisk | what does this mean: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg00001.html |
| 18:31.44 | missmbob | ripdisk: it's for stretch and later that'll only do 686 |
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| 18:31.59 | ripdisk | oh ok |
| 18:32.00 | greycat | !jessie freeze |
| 18:32.01 | dpkg | Remember, remember, the fifth of November, gunpowder treason and plot! Debian 8.0 "Jessie" was frozen on 2014-11-05; no new versions of packages will enter this release and a period of intense bug fixing has begun. See http://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html or ask me about <slushy>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot |
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| 18:32.25 | ripdisk | so, again, i am having trouble finding the jessie iso images for my usb drive. |
| 18:32.31 | ripdisk | i'm kinda of noobish |
| 18:32.33 | greycat | Any devel-announce stuff dated later than 2014-11-05 is pretty much guaranteed to be for the next release *after* jessie. |
| 18:32.35 | missmbob | top right of the screen |
| 18:33.00 | missmbob | fuck it here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:33.05 | greycat | ripdisk: it's green on white and it says "Download Debian 8.5 (32/64-bit PC Network installer)" |
| 18:33.26 | ripdisk | wait, so jessie IS the current |
| 18:33.29 | missmbob | yes |
| 18:33.29 | greycat | It becomes white-on-green if you mouse over it. |
| 18:33.38 | ripdisk | ok, i was confused....so that memo is just applying to the next versions? |
| 18:33.42 | missmbob | right |
| 18:33.43 | greycat | Any devel-announce stuff dated later than 2014-11-05 is pretty much guaranteed to be for the next release *after* jessie. |
| 18:33.54 | ripdisk | but do i have to do a netinst |
| 18:34.04 | missmbob | do whatever you want |
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| 18:34.39 | ripdisk | hmm....i could have sworn i tried this before and it just told me i couldn't do it on a 586 when i tried to boot the installer |
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| 18:35.07 | missmbob | then you probably had just the amd64 one |
| 18:35.18 | missmbob | there are a ton of different images for installing |
| 18:35.30 | greycat | The combo 32/64-bit netinst is pretty new, I think. |
| 18:35.36 | missmbob | yeah |
| 18:35.42 | ripdisk | jesus, so i understand why i have to use netinstaller....cos otherwise i'd have to use three different images |
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| 18:35.58 | missmbob | no one said you *had* to use it |
| 18:36.12 | missmbob | get a full cd if you want. or all dvds. we dont care |
| 18:36.13 | FaTony | wait, does Debian still support Pentium 4? |
| 18:36.25 | missmbob | jesus people everything is fine until stretch |
| 18:36.25 | ripdisk | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso i'll just try this one. |
| 18:36.30 | greycat | Yes, Pentium 4 is supported. |
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| 18:37.47 | ripdisk | see, all of this is because i bought these two badass little micro computers....they kind of look like raspberry pis, but they're different...and they have sata ssds in them...they're in little really cool cases too |
| 18:38.00 | ripdisk | and i wanna use em |
| 18:38.03 | FaTony | missmbob, and what about Stretch? |
| 18:38.23 | greycat | Stretch Comes Later. |
| 18:38.39 | FaTony | all my pcs are on stretch I think |
| 18:38.45 | missmbob | that's not very bright |
| 18:39.10 | FaTony | jessie is still using g++4, so ancient |
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| 18:40.24 | greycat | I can't believe people actually use C++ .... no wait, I can believe it. |
| 18:40.46 | missmbob | heh. reminds of a recent "halt and catch fire" episode |
| 18:40.54 | FaTony | greycat, what is wrong with c++? It's the best language I've seen |
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| 18:41.10 | ripdisk | wtf i love cpp |
| 18:41.24 | ripdisk | i like it more than all the js people use |
| 18:41.36 | missmbob | you're seriously trying to compare the two? |
| 18:41.54 | missmbob | anyway, good show :P |
| 18:41.59 | ripdisk | i'm a man that likes apples AND oranges |
| 18:42.44 | FaTony | there are c++ interpreters out there so you can compare interpreted c++ and js |
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| 18:44.05 | BinBasher | Can anyone help me with setting up my mail and alarm in gnome? |
| 18:44.58 | missmbob | i'm sure evolution has some kind of "wizard" that does it all for you. what's the problem? not that i know anything about evolution |
| 18:45.18 | elliot007 | anybody using dynamic dns?? |
| 18:45.34 | missmbob | !anyone |
| 18:45.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 18:46.24 | elliot007 | I'm not sure if this is right channel to ask |
| 18:46.42 | greycat | We won't be able to tell if it's the right channel until you ask. |
| 18:46.49 | elliot007 | I'm trying to set up a no-ip account |
| 18:46.58 | elliot007 | for ftp server on my debian |
| 18:47.00 | elliot007 | machine |
| 18:47.25 | elliot007 | I've installed proftpd and its working locally |
| 18:47.31 | elliot007 | even on my wifi |
| 18:47.58 | elliot007 | I then added virtual server on my router at prot 21 |
| 18:48.03 | elliot007 | *port |
| 18:48.27 | greycat | "I'm going to just start a stream of consciousness walk through my entire day..." |
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| 18:48.32 | ripdisk | ok guys here we go, about to put the netinst on a usb stick and try to get it running on the micro pc |
| 18:48.44 | missmbob | ripdisk: stop. how are you going to put it on the stick? |
| 18:48.53 | ripdisk | i know how to do it |
| 18:48.59 | ripdisk | i do it all the time with other distros |
| 18:49.05 | ripdisk | i'm not THAT much of a noob |
| 18:49.08 | missmbob | yeah. those methods dont work often on debian |
| 18:49.13 | missmbob | we use hybrid images |
| 18:49.16 | ripdisk | i prefer using rufus on my machine. |
| 18:49.22 | missmbob | !rufus |
| 18:49.23 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 18:49.27 | missmbob | ripdisk: see? doing it wrong |
| 18:49.30 | Agialsa | SynrG, jelly missmbob http://www.alsa-project.org/snapshot/ |
| 18:49.37 | ripdisk | rufus works fine with the regular installer. |
| 18:49.50 | missmbob | i really dont care. do what you want |
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| 18:50.37 | ripdisk | i'm gonna try to use rufus. |
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| 18:51.47 | BinBasher | missmbob: whenever I set an alarm with normal sound and system sound on it doesn't work (maybe a sound file problem?) and I want to get mail from evolution in my notifications bar without having to start it up every time I reboot (so basically get it to work in the background as a service) |
| 18:52.04 | BinBasher | and the sound thing is for the mail too |
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| 18:52.39 | missmbob | BinBasher: gnome should have a "session and startup" settings in it's control panel. add evolution to that list to startup |
| 18:53.08 | missmbob | BinBasher: i'm pretty sure evolution doesn't have a tray icon. but it does do desktop notifications |
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| 18:53.43 | AndroUser | Finally |
| 18:53.52 | appas | how should i go about this: there being a timeout when the screen turns black, to turn off the backlight when this happens? i know i can turn off the backlight on my samsung netbook with samsung-tools --backlight off, but i don't know how to make this trigger when xfce4-power-manager turns the display black, and then reverse also? |
| 18:54.03 | missmbob | BinBasher: mail-notification package will give you the tray if you want |
| 18:54.03 | mw | I'm still waiting for a question on dyndns... after that build up I can't help but feel stood up |
| 18:54.11 | AndroUser | Fk,i made it up to boot tinycore from my smartphone |
| 18:54.32 | AndroUser | Now how to get the logs of kernel panic shit |
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| 18:54.57 | missmbob | pstore if you can |
| 18:55.20 | bullpoop | So... |
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| 18:55.31 | missmbob | so what? |
| 18:55.37 | mw | bullpoop: sick nick! |
| 18:55.54 | bullpoop | No poop fatha |
| 18:56.10 | bullpoop | I got this kernel panic error at boot |
| 18:56.11 | appas | mw: your nick is my initials |
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| 18:56.22 | missmbob | 18:54 < missmbob> pstore if you can |
| 18:56.33 | bullpoop | I cant |
| 18:56.39 | missmbob | serial? |
| 18:56.40 | mw | appas: mine to :) |
| 18:56.49 | bullpoop | where r the logs of grub ffs |
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| 18:57.03 | missmbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.06 | bullpoop | Tinycorelinux |
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| 18:58.03 | bullpoop | Can anyone help me on the kernel pani c init killed issue |
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| 18:58.33 | ripdisk | sweet, the installation worked fine even when i put it on the stick with Rufus via windows. it's intalling! on one of the micro PCs i bought! |
| 18:58.35 | greycat | bullpoop: "tinycorelinux" is not Debian. It is not supported here. |
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| 18:58.48 | frfsake | But the issue is in debian |
| 18:58.48 | ripdisk | these things were so cool....i paid 20 bucks for two of them....found out they had SSDs in them |
| 18:59.03 | frfsake | I just booted in tiny to fix this fk |
| 18:59.05 | greycat | frfsake: #tinycorelinux exists and is probably the correct channel for your OS. |
| 18:59.16 | frfsake | Dude read the fuck |
| 18:59.22 | frfsake | XD |
| 18:59.34 | koowgnojeel | Hi, I did apt-get update & upgrade yesterday and I have upgrade version of Chromium. Now how can I get my previous version of Chromium with aptitude or apt-* tool? (downgrade?) |
| 18:59.37 | appas | ripdisk: sounds neat, link? |
| 18:59.57 | greycat | Now he has changed nicks *twice*. I'm going to have to find his hostmask to ignore him. What an ass. |
| 19:00.10 | frfsake | Why? |
| 19:00.15 | greycat | 15:00 Ignoring ALL from *!*@197.113.93.131 |
| 19:00.27 | ripdisk | appas, no....i got them at a swapmeet |
| 19:00.28 | frfsake | Am free to change my nick cunt lol |
| 19:00.45 | ripdisk | however, the model of micro PC they are is uh |
| 19:01.01 | koowgnojeel | Downgrade an individual package with apt please? :P |
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| 19:01.08 | greycat | !downgrade |
| 19:01.08 | ripdisk | 3300MX-HAP |
| 19:01.08 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 19:01.21 | koowgnojeel | greycat: Thanks :) |
| 19:01.24 | ripdisk | 3300MX-HAP is the type of PC it is....kind of cool, has sata support and everything, network, usb |
| 19:01.29 | frfsake | !kernel panic |
| 19:01.30 | dpkg | [kernel panic] any issue presented to the kernel that it cannot handle. Ask me about <norootfs> for "missing root filesystem", or check your LILO/GRUB config. See the Documentation directory in the source for capturing and printing good stack traces and <regression> testing; see also <netconsole>, <serial console>. |
| 19:01.31 | ripdisk | @ apb1963_ |
| 19:01.34 | ripdisk | er, at appas |
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| 19:02.14 | frfsake | !fuck you i dont need no explanation tell me how to fix |
| 19:02.24 | koowgnojeel | greycat: How do I get list of version for Chromium ? |
| 19:02.41 | missmbob | greycat: arent you an op? he's going insane. |
| 19:02.56 | frfsake | I thought u ignored me lol |
| 19:03.01 | missmbob | !tell koowgnojeel about snapshot |
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| 19:03.09 | missmbob | frfsake: then you changed your nick dumbass |
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| 19:03.20 | koowgnojeel | missmbob: Thanks @_@ |
| 19:03.30 | frfsake | I thought ignoring is by ip address lol |
| 19:03.44 | `Kevin | -> ignore *!*@197.113.93.131 |
| 19:03.46 | `Kevin | :) |
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| 19:03.55 | ripdisk | appas, did you look them up |
| 19:04.02 | missmbob | yeah, i know how :P helps the whole channel if an op does it |
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| 19:04.10 | `Kevin | missmbob: agreed |
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| 19:04.16 | koowgnojeel | >_< no easy way - Thanks Debian :) |
| 19:04.19 | frfsake | So anyone knows how to fix kernel panic |
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| 19:04.58 | appas | ripdisk: yup, in the process of :) |
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| 19:05.11 | greycat | It's rare that you ever want to downgrade from a specific stable version of a package to a slightly older stable version of the same pacakge, so you either (a) have the old one in /var/cache or (b) pull it out of the pool on a one-time basis. |
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| 19:05.55 | ripdisk | HOLY CRAP, appas! i just finally found out what size the SSD is! it's actually pretty good size! 320GB |
| 19:06.11 | ripdisk | dude i paid 20 bucks for two 320GB ssd |
| 19:06.21 | klys | wow neato |
| 19:06.21 | ripdisk | like, aside from the fact that they're in cool micro pcs |
| 19:06.21 | appas | ripdisk: that's a very good deal, my man |
| 19:06.30 | ripdisk | i just wanted the micro pcs |
| 19:06.32 | ripdisk | but wow |
| 19:06.36 | `Kevin | its a good deal or his name fits :) |
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| 19:07.12 | RoyK | ripdisk: where did you buy them? how's the performance? |
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| 19:08.11 | ripdisk | i got them at the swapmeet, and i gave appas the model number of them so i dnno if he looked it up... 3300MX-HAP is what they are... @ RoyK |
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| 19:08.17 | ripdisk | 20 bucks for two. |
| 19:09.42 | ripdisk | one of them is gonna go in my little rack case here.... and the other i'm gonna set up to run a wifi card, and it's gonna go under the TV in the livingroom |
| 19:09.58 | ripdisk | for downloading and playing movies |
| 19:10.02 | ripdisk | hopefully it'll work for that |
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| 19:10.50 | Agialsa | where can i find the CFLAGS file in a build directory |
| 19:11.38 | greycat | inside debian/rules |
| 19:11.49 | FaTony | Agialsa, it's not a file, it's an environment variable I think |
| 19:11.54 | greycat | It is not. |
| 19:12.00 | FaTony | hmm |
| 19:12.15 | greycat | debian/rules is a Makefile that contains the build instructions for the package |
| 19:12.29 | Agialsa | Try first disabling -Werror by removing it from CFLAGS or grepping it in your source directory recursively: fgrep -lr -- -Werror ., then removing it from each found file. |
| 19:12.44 | greycat | what. |
| 19:13.03 | greycat | Are you actually building a Debian package, or something else? |
| 19:13.21 | FaTony | Agialsa, CFLAGS is a variable that is used in makefiles, I'm not sure where the default value is defined |
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| 19:14.02 | greycat | There isn't a default, unless you specified something on the command line when you ran ./configure ASSUMING THIS IS A GNU AUTOCONF controlled build at all. |
| 19:14.10 | greycat | Please tell us WHAT YOU ARE DOING. |
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| 19:15.22 | Agialsa | ok i'm trying to compile alsa on debian here is my compile error http://codepad.org/zNEfGOnp |
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| 19:15.42 | greycat | Why are you trying to "compile alsa"? |
| 19:15.56 | Agialsa | because my sound card is not working at all |
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| 19:16.23 | Agialsa | its not even found with aplay -l |
| 19:17.18 | greycat | Then start by telling us what sound card you have, including its PCI ID. |
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| 19:18.04 | Agialsa | ok here we go |
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| 19:19.15 | missmbob | Agialsa: you were here yesterday with this, right? or was that someone else? |
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| 19:19.53 | Agialsa | yes |
| 19:19.55 | Agialsa | i was |
| 19:20.04 | missmbob | you got jessie-backports and what else to try to make it work? |
| 19:20.12 | missmbob | jessie-backports kernel* |
| 19:20.30 | Agialsa | greycat, http://codepad.org/JeUbTNTi http://codepad.org/VSERy2tv http://codepad.org/fTzKGi9N |
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| 19:20.38 | Agialsa | missmbob, no i fixed the vga problem |
| 19:20.42 | Agialsa | now i have no sound |
| 19:20.52 | Agialsa | sound card is not recognized |
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| 19:21.36 | greycat | How come none of those three pastes contains the device's PCI ID :( |
| 19:21.37 | Agialsa | greycat, missmbob onboard sound card http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H110M-DVSD3/ |
| 19:21.45 | Agialsa | sorry |
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| 19:22.31 | Agialsa | greycat, 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Device a170 (rev 31) is that the pc ID ? |
| 19:22.39 | greycat | lspci -nn | grep Audio |
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| 19:22.52 | Agialsa | 00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:a170] (rev 31) |
| 19:22.56 | Agialsa | thats it |
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| 19:23.06 | Agialsa | aplay -l |
| 19:23.06 | Agialsa | aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found... |
| 19:23.10 | missmbob | huh |
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| 19:23.48 | greycat | judd, pciid 8086:a170 |
| 19:23.49 | judd | [8086:a170] is 'Sunrise Point-H HD Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:a170 |
| 19:24.05 | greycat | Judd thinks it should work with jessie's kernel. I don't know anything beyond that. |
| 19:24.24 | Agialsa | also here is alsa info http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=b11a237bffe376361d8f455123312879dba9c504 |
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| 19:24.58 | Agialsa | uname -a |
| 19:24.58 | Agialsa | Linux athenaPC 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.4-1~bpo8+1 (2016-08-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:25.11 | greycat | I have no idea what the hell that http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=b11a237bffe376361d8f455123312879dba9c504 URL *is*. |
| 19:25.29 | greycat | It doesn't appear to be instructions for what to do with an 8086:a170 card. |
| 19:25.29 | Agialsa | its alsa info of my pc hardware |
| 19:25.57 | greycat | so it's something YOU created, but it's somehow hosted on alsa-project.org ... |
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| 19:26.20 | missmbob | there is #alsa ...i dont know much about sound |
| 19:26.21 | Agialsa | its an alsa script |
| 19:26.27 | Agialsa | [ 1.942178] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1f.3: CORB reset timeout#1, CORBRP = 0 |
| 19:26.27 | Agialsa | [ 1.943704] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1f.3: no codecs found! |
| 19:26.41 | Agialsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.03 | greycat | If the driver in jessie does not work, then you need advice from someone with *serious* sound knowledge. Dumping random shit you ran from commands you found on random websites is not helping. |
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| 19:27.35 | greycat | WHO told you to compile an ALSA kernel driver? Why? Which driver? |
| 19:27.38 | jhutchins_wk | ,pciid 8086:a170 |
| 19:27.39 | judd | [8086:a170] is 'Sunrise Point-H HD Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:a170 |
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| 19:28.06 | jhutchins_wk | Agialsa: Which kernel are you on? |
| 19:28.26 | Agialsa | uname -a |
| 19:28.26 | Agialsa | Linux athenaPC 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.4-1~bpo8+1 (2016-08-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:28.26 | missmbob | no scroll? 4.6.4 bpo |
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| 19:28.59 | jhutchins_wk | missmbob: No pay attention. Sry. |
| 19:29.14 | Agialsa | greycat, maybe i need a newer version of alsa |
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| 19:30.04 | Agialsa | greycat, that script is produced i think from the lasa developers |
| 19:30.07 | Agialsa | alsa* |
| 19:30.42 | greycat | If the drivers in Debian are not working, then you can file a bug report against the Debian kernel packages, or you can ask in an ALSA channel, or you can try the debian-user mailing list, but that's a mixed bag. |
| 19:30.45 | missmbob | Agialsa: you have tried #alsa, right? |
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| 19:31.11 | greycat | What you should NOT do is just randomly decide to build a KERNEL DRIVER. This is not a default path that you take. |
| 19:31.21 | Agialsa | its not such an active channel |
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| 19:31.57 | Agialsa | back in the days it was the only way to go and it solved issues i've years to do it |
| 19:32.08 | greycat | Well, if you went there and said "here's the dump of my build" with NO CONTEXT, it's unsurprising they would ignore you. |
| 19:32.15 | Agialsa | its wirth a try |
| 19:32.31 | Agialsa | its not really active |
| 19:32.36 | jhutchins_wk | Agialsa: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/no-soundcards-found-alsamixer-not-existing-only-dummy-output-sound-module-not-loaded-4175577042/ |
| 19:33.11 | jhutchins_wk | ,v libasound2 |
| 19:33.12 | judd | Package: libasound2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.25-4; jessie: 1.0.28-1; sid: 1.1.2-1; stretch: 1.1.2-1 |
| 19:33.31 | jhutchins_wk | ,v alsa-utils |
| 19:33.32 | judd | Package: alsa-utils on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.25-4; jessie: 1.0.28-1; sid: 1.1.2-1; stretch: 1.1.2-1 |
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| 19:35.10 | LostSoul | Hi |
| 19:35.12 | greycat | I'm curious whether the jessie kernel worked and his jessie-backports kernel did not. |
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| 19:35.20 | missmbob | good question |
| 19:35.26 | LostSoul | I don't know if it's debian or just fail2ban, but when I restart fail2ban I'm getting: |
| 19:35.34 | missmbob | i dont think he got to it because of his vga problem with jessie kernel |
| 19:35.35 | Agialsa | greycat, say that again :) |
| 19:35.37 | LostSoul | Active: active (exited) since Thu 2016-09-08 21:34:40 CEST; 2s ago |
| 19:35.39 | greycat | I'm also curious what "JMC_791" did and got as results in that thread. |
| 19:35.44 | LostSoul | Process: 8805 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/fail2ban start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) |
| 19:35.58 | LostSoul | But process is not running and I can see below that: |
| 19:36.10 | jhutchins_wk | !tell Agialsa about ssb |
| 19:36.13 | missmbob | LostSoul: fail2ban isnt a process. |
| 19:36.15 | LostSoul | fail2ban[8805]: ERROR Failed during configuration: File contains parsing errors: /etc/fail2ban/filter.d/hax.conf |
| 19:36.19 | LostSoul | hmm.. |
| 19:36.23 | Agialsa | jhutchins_wk, did he solve it ? shoul di try his solution? |
| 19:36.26 | LostSoul | missmbob: Mind elaborating on it? |
| 19:36.30 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: of the userspace ALSA library/utils? Instead of the driver? |
| 19:36.35 | missmbob | LostSoul: it's not real time. it just checks the logs every now and then |
| 19:36.48 | LostSoul | As I don't know how to check it, I mean verify if it's running when I deploy stuff with Ansible |
| 19:36.48 | missmbob | LostSoul: cronjob |
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| 19:36.57 | greycat | LostSoul: well, seems pretty clear you want to check that file for errors. |
| 19:37.04 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: The kernel's pretty current. |
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| 19:37.34 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Although you would think if the kernel module were new enough, it would pull the name from the pcidb. |
| 19:37.44 | LostSoul | greycat: Yeah, but I was rather into, why service restart or systemctl didn't give me error |
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| 19:38.05 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: This is solved on Ubuntu, which has alsa 1.1.0. |
| 19:38.12 | greycat | LostSoul: looks like it's falling back to sysvinit scripts, and the script exited with status 0 (success). |
| 19:38.17 | LostSoul | Last time I saw f2b stopped and wasn't running for a week and I used service start like 10 times and it started 10 "instance" of it |
| 19:38.36 | LostSoul | Damn, thanks greycat, that might be true, I guess it is |
| 19:38.38 | greycat | ,checkbackport libasound2 |
| 19:38.39 | judd | Backporting package libasound2 in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 19:39.14 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: Agialsa: well, OK, if you think building the sid *userspace* libasound2/alsa pacakges (not the kernel driver!!!) might help, then go for it. |
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| 19:41.29 | Agialsa | jhutchins_wk, what should i do ? |
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| 19:42.05 | jhutchins_wk | In the one solved example I've found, the Ubuntu user was able to get it working simply by reinstalling libasound2, alsa-utils, and alsa-tools. They had done some messing about with dkms but it appeared that was unsuccessful. |
| 19:42.27 | Agialsa | jhutchins_wk, i found a solution on ubuntu and asked if i could install ppa debian packages for ubuntu but they told me not to |
| 19:42.40 | greycat | DO NOT install ubuntu packages |
| 19:42.43 | Agialsa | ok |
| 19:42.45 | Agialsa | :) |
| 19:42.45 | jhutchins_wk | Agialsa: That is correct. |
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| 19:43.07 | Agialsa | so what should i do reinstall libasound2, alsa-utils, and alsa-tools ? |
| 19:43.26 | greycat | *IF* it turns out that you need userspace ALSA version 1.1 for this device, then the correct path would be for you to backport the sid source package to jessie. |
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| 19:43.42 | greycat | You can try reinstalling those packages from jessie first, because that is simpler. |
| 19:43.50 | Agialsa | who me ? |
| 19:44.19 | Agialsa | complete removal via synaptic? |
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| 19:44.34 | Agialsa | and reinstall ? |
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| 19:45.30 | greycat | apt-get --reinstall install libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-tools |
| 19:45.34 | Agialsa | mark thise packages for reinstallation? |
| 19:45.38 | greycat | going by jhutchins_wk 's list |
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| 19:45.52 | greycat | fuck these GUI/pseudoGUI tools |
| 19:46.17 | Agialsa | synaptic is not so bad |
| 19:46.22 | Agialsa | ok done |
| 19:46.25 | Agialsa | reboot? |
| 19:47.05 | Agialsa | aplay -l |
| 19:47.05 | Agialsa | aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found... |
| 19:47.08 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: According to this, it should be supported: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/SND_HDA_INTEL.html |
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| 19:47.26 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: It's not clear which version adds the a170 support thoughg. |
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| 19:49.06 | `Kevin | jhutchins_wk: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/c8b00fd2f4c504a564adcad5b8bd6952ab850b02 |
| 19:49.34 | `Kevin | .. what your link points out |
| 19:49.40 | missmbob | yeah. makes no sense |
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| 19:50.19 | `Kevin | (3.18) |
| 19:51.08 | Agialsa | ok i'm going to try out on stock stable kernel 3.18 that was |
| 19:51.11 | Agialsa | ok |
| 19:51.14 | Agialsa | ? |
| 19:51.26 | missmbob | jessie is 3.16 |
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| 19:51.39 | Agialsa | yeah that one |
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| 19:51.45 | missmbob | that wouldn't work |
| 19:51.52 | Agialsa | i just hope i jave an entry in grub |
| 19:51.59 | greycat | How did we determine that it needs 3.18? |
| 19:52.05 | jhutchins_wk | Agialsa: I would expect that 3.16 would not have it, but that 4.whatsit should, anythin after 3.18 |
| 19:52.10 | missmbob | taking `Kevin's link at its word |
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| 19:52.19 | Arone | a |
| 19:52.26 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Kevin tracked down the commit that supports the a170 |
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| 19:53.48 | greycat | But we don't know whether the same fix was backported into a 3.16.x Debian kernel...? |
| 19:53.57 | greycat | Well, I guess Agialsa will try it and see. |
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| 19:54.26 | `Kevin | greycat: correct, I didn't dig that far.. |
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| 19:54.37 | kfogel | I dist-upgraded today (do so every day) and rebooted ( |
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| 19:54.39 | kfogel | oops |
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| 19:55.30 | kfogel | I dist-upgraded today (do so every day) and rebooted (about once a week), and suddenly my external monitor support was mildly broken: the monitor works, but Gnome3 only managed the display as one continuous display together with the laptop's own screen. |
| 19:55.37 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 19:55.37 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:55.49 | kfogel | missmbob: gotcha |
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| 19:55.54 | kfogel | missmbob: thank you |
| 19:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think that factoid should mention more that it's on oftc |
| 19:56.15 | missmbob | it does. says testing/unstable go the fuck there :P |
| 19:56.23 | greycat | Yeah, saying it 3 times is not enough, obviously. |
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| 20:00.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | right. how's anyone supposed to get that |
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| 20:03.09 | `Kevin | Agialsa: didnt you already post that you are on kernel 4.6 thou? |
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| 20:03.29 | jhutchins_wk | `Kevin: Yes, she's on the bpo |
| 20:03.46 | Agialsa | yes i am |
| 20:03.50 | greycat | But may have others installed also. |
| 20:03.50 | jhutchins_wk | `Kevin: We would expect that patch to be "3.18 and anything later". |
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| 20:04.08 | Agialsa | greycat, maybe i should apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base linux-image-??? libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-tools do it with the linuximage ? |
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| 20:04.37 | greycat | Reinstalling the kernel is unlikely to be the key. I don't know what that Ubuntu person did, because of course he didn't *post* about it. |
| 20:04.37 | `Kevin | jhutchins_wk: at least as per git commits that is the case here |
| 20:04.58 | greycat | Even reinstalling the userspace packages is a long shot, but it's *easy* so you can try it and see if it works. |
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| 20:08.16 | Agialsa | userspace packages |
| 20:08.19 | Agialsa | ? |
| 20:09.25 | greycat | What did you try so far? What were your results? |
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| 20:10.01 | Agialsa | well i am trying to reload the module with different options but no success ftb |
| 20:10.15 | Agialsa | going to reboot |
| 20:10.23 | Agialsa | and try older kernel |
| 20:10.26 | Agialsa | ok ? |
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| 20:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, can I have a digest of that problem? |
| 20:12.07 | greycat | Apparently it started on a previous day. |
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| 20:13.09 | Agialsa | still the same |
| 20:13.31 | Agialsa | aplay -l |
| 20:13.31 | Agialsa | aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found... |
| 20:13.50 | greycat | What have you tried so far? What was the result of each trial? |
| 20:14.11 | missmbob | is anyone working on a stretch live cd? i haven't heard anything since the lead guy left about a year ago |
| 20:14.45 | Agialsa | well now i'm on 3.16 |
| 20:14.50 | Agialsa | and no sound |
| 20:15.11 | greycat | So, you've tried jessie 3.16 and jessie-backports 4.6 and they both failed? |
| 20:15.16 | Agialsa | i tried compiling alsa but got an error for alsa.driver while issuing make |
| 20:15.21 | Agialsa | yes |
| 20:15.23 | Agialsa | bith |
| 20:15.25 | Agialsa | both |
| 20:15.38 | greycat | And you've tried reinstalling the userspace alsa/asound packages? And that made no difference? |
| 20:16.10 | Agialsa | yes from the command you issued earlier if thats what you are referring to |
| 20:16.32 | greycat | the relevant userspace packages are alsa-utils and libasound2 (I think) |
| 20:18.04 | Agialsa | greycat, libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-tools |
| 20:18.15 | Agialsa | i'll try once again |
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| 20:19.14 | Agialsa | greycat, apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-tools |
| 20:21.36 | Agialsa | [ 589.863604] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1f.3: CORB reset timeout#1, CORBRP = 0 |
| 20:21.36 | Agialsa | [ 589.863609] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1f.3: no codecs found! |
| 20:21.48 | greycat | No difference, which is not a surprise. |
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| 20:22.21 | greycat | OK, if #alsa *still* hasn't given you any different advice then I guess the next step is backporting the sid source of alsa-utils/libasound2 to jessie. |
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| 20:23.10 | Agialsa | how would i do that ? |
| 20:23.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you already were at the point that it's pciid 8086:a170 and --> http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:a170 |
| 20:23.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there any indication that that card is supported by any existing linux kernel//alsa module |
| 20:24.28 | greycat | `kevin found a linux commit saying 3.18, 3.19, 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, ..., 4.8 |
| 20:25.17 | greycat | Which seems to imply the bpo 4.6 kernel should be working, so trying the newer userspace packages seems like a possible next step. |
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| 20:25.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, no *codecs* found? |
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| 20:27.18 | `Kevin | greycat: I was thinking that but his lspci didn't list the sub vendor id in this case `Sunrise Point-H HD Audio...` |
| 20:27.42 | `Kevin | is that a function of lspci or the pci mapping in hda_intel.c i linked |
| 20:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agialsa, just to get more of an impression, what does lsmod|grep snd say? |
| 20:28.11 | greycat | here's one that says "stretch worked": http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=125107 |
| 20:28.17 | `Kevin | I was expecting his lspci to list the sub vendor id under this 4.x kernel but maybe im wrong |
| 20:28.23 | `Kevin | under his* |
| 20:29.05 | Agialsa | CutMeOwnThroat, http://codepad.org/A9oVlmIz |
| 20:29.31 | Agialsa | now i'm on 3.16 though |
| 20:29.38 | greycat | I think lspci has its own database that it uses for this stuff. Not sure. |
| 20:29.57 | towo` | https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/8379541/ |
| 20:30.06 | towo` | i would try this patch |
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| 20:30.24 | greycat | Agialsa: I would reboot to the 4.6 kernel for the next steps, since we have pretty strong evidence that it isn't supported at least in a *base* 3.16 |
| 20:30.26 | Agialsa | i'm going to boot with backport kernel and reinstall alsa packages and kerel |
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| 20:30.29 | Agialsa | ok |
| 20:30.51 | greycat | I thought we were past the "reinstall pacakges" stage already. |
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| 20:31.38 | Agialsa | ok back |
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| 20:33.19 | Agialsa | http://codepad.org/A5yKbOxy |
| 20:33.33 | greycat | please for the love of god stop making me load web pages |
| 20:33.45 | `Kevin | greycat: yep it has its own IDs db you are correct :) |
| 20:33.52 | Agialsa | ok sorry |
| 20:34.05 | Agialsa | :) |
| 20:34.15 | greycat | So you've tried 3.16, and 4.6, and reinstalling the userspace ALSA pkgs *three or more times*. |
| 20:34.22 | Agialsa | yes |
| 20:34.36 | greycat | Next step, unless #alsa has given you better advice, is backporting sid libasound2 source package to jessie. |
| 20:34.41 | Agialsa | and feel like reinstall the packages with the kernel |
| 20:35.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't there at the very least be snd_hda_codec_generic ? |
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| 20:35.56 | towo` | again: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/8379541/ |
| 20:36.08 | greycat | STUPID FUCKING URLS |
| 20:36.23 | teraflops | heh |
| 20:36.23 | greycat | WHAT IS IT, WHY IS IT RELEVANT, WHY SHOULD I LOOK AT IT |
| 20:36.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | but urls are cool, they point to stuff on the internets |
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| 20:37.57 | Agialsa | apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-tools linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
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| 20:38.02 | teraflops | greycat: a bot that grabs urls could be a good idea |
| 20:38.12 | greycat | If you really need the patch that towo is linking to, this problem just got WAY the fuck harder. |
| 20:38.29 | Agialsa | :) |
| 20:38.35 | greycat | Agialsa: IF REINSTALLING THE PACKAGES THREE TIMES DIDN'T WORK, WHY ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT A FOURTH TIME |
| 20:38.55 | Agialsa | because i'm doing it with the kernel image |
| 20:38.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | because of the most precious thing on the world, called hope? |
| 20:39.03 | Agialsa | maybe its tsupid but its worth a try |
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| 20:40.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | "no response from codec" from that bug doesn't look like anything you've shown of your case |
| 20:40.56 | greycat | And we have a report from someone with an :a170 working on stretch but not jessie. |
| 20:41.25 | Agialsa | ok |
| 20:41.40 | Agialsa | that didn't work maybe i should reboot |
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| 20:44.13 | Agialsa | ok nada |
| 20:44.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks a bit like this: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/11/msg00759.html and that was jessie, too |
| 20:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh. and I was going to suggest you just get a cheapish external usb audio interface |
| 20:44.48 | Agialsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.52 | Agialsa | is the way ? |
| 20:44.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | or an usb headset, which is the same thing |
| 20:46.27 | Agialsa | i was looking on a site for a pci-e sound card or a usb sound card |
| 20:46.45 | greycat | OK, yes, "buy different hardware" is also a solution. |
| 20:47.01 | Agialsa | ok how do i back sid libasound2 source package to jessie |
| 20:47.05 | greycat | Short of that, the only thing you haven't tried yet, that we've suggested, is backporting the sid libasound2. |
| 20:47.15 | greycat | !tell Agialsa about simple sid backport |
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| 20:48.15 | Agialsa | check for a backport on <debian-backports> ? |
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| 20:48.28 | Agialsa | check in sources.list? |
| 20:48.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean⦠you can get a crappy usb audio card/adapter on ebay for like $1 ⦠which will of course be crappy, but give sound |
| 20:49.02 | Agialsa | ? |
| 20:49.13 | greycat | We've already checked. There are no backports. |
| 20:49.17 | Agialsa | ok |
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| 20:50.19 | Agialsa | ok |
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| 20:50.35 | Agialsa | now i add deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free in sources.list? |
| 20:51.01 | greycat | sounds right... |
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| 20:51.33 | Agialsa | ok |
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| 20:51.52 | Agialsa | i already have backports enabled |
| 20:51.55 | Agialsa | right ? |
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| 20:52.45 | Agialsa | aptitude update ? aptitude install build-essential |
| 20:52.47 | Agialsa | ? |
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| 20:54.21 | Agialsa | aptitude install build-essential |
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| 20:55.03 | Agialsa | aptitude build-dep libasound2 greycat ? |
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| 20:55.49 | Agialsa | greycat, is that what i issue? |
| 20:55.59 | Agialsa | or anyone else? |
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| 20:56.50 | Agialsa | i hope this will not break my system |
| 20:56.50 | greycat | The bot already told you what to do. |
| 20:57.00 | Agialsa | i'm just not sure |
| 20:57.17 | Agialsa | so package name is libasound2 right ? |
| 20:57.25 | greycat | The result of backporting a source package is a set of .deb files, which you can then install. If they don't work, you can revert back to the jessie versions. |
| 20:57.54 | greycat | It's unlikely that libasound2 or alsa-utils would render the system unusable in some catastrophic way. |
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| 20:58.35 | Agialsa | ok built the deps |
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| 21:00.02 | Agialsa | ok its compiling source of libasound2 |
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| 21:00.29 | Agialsa | got an error though |
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| 21:01.11 | Agialsa | greycat, http://codepad.org/PdkxEaEK |
| 21:01.56 | greycat | Eek. Looks like it needs a backported debhelper package too. |
| 21:02.09 | greycat | debhelper: /usr/bin/dh_strip |
| 21:02.51 | greycat | If that's the *only* thing it needs, then you can backport that and it should be OK, but if there are more, it could get ugly. |
| 21:02.58 | Agialsa | aptitude build-dep debhelper ? |
| 21:03.49 | Agialsa | do you want more logs from make ? |
| 21:03.56 | greycat | No, I don't. |
| 21:04.04 | Agialsa | should i install debhelper is it a package? |
| 21:04.08 | greycat | Either try backporting debhelper (same procedure), or ask #alsa. |
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| 21:04.34 | greycat | You already have the jessie version of debhelper, but this source pacakge is using options that aren't in jessie. |
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| 21:04.59 | Agialsa | is it a new version ? |
| 21:05.04 | Agialsa | ok got the source |
| 21:05.06 | Agialsa | now to compile |
| 21:06.23 | Agialsa | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: dpkg-dev (>= 1.18.0~) |
| 21:06.23 | Agialsa | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting |
| 21:06.23 | Agialsa | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: (Use -d flag to override.) |
| 21:06.33 | Agialsa | -d flag ? |
| 21:06.48 | greycat | crap. |
| 21:06.55 | Agialsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.59 | Agialsa | ? |
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| 21:07.13 | greycat | No, that is not what it means. |
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| 21:07.26 | Agialsa | ok |
| 21:07.37 | Agialsa | deps of deps of deps |
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| 21:07.50 | Agialsa | into the rabbit hole |
| 21:08.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be a bear's cave |
| 21:08.14 | greycat | It's saying that it also wants a newer version of dpkg-dev. |
| 21:08.21 | greycat | As I warned earlier, if it wants more and more and more, it could get UGLY. |
| 21:08.30 | greycat | judd lied to us. |
| 21:08.39 | greycat | ,checkbackport libasound2 |
| 21:08.40 | judd | Backporting package libasound2 in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 21:08.41 | greycat | LIAR! |
| 21:09.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd would never lie to us |
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| 21:09.36 | Agialsa | do i have to revert back by commenting out the src line of sid in sources.list? |
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| 21:09.49 | greycat | You only added a deb-src line for sid, not a deb line. |
| 21:09.55 | greycat | You can leave it like that. |
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| 21:10.37 | Agialsa | now only solution would be to compile alsa from scratch? |
| 21:10.53 | Agialsa | or by usb sound card:P |
| 21:10.54 | greycat | What do you even MEAN by that? |
| 21:11.06 | greycat | Are you talking about compiling the userspace alsa programs, or a driver, or what? |
| 21:11.17 | Agialsa | rephrasing to compile alsa |
| 21:11.21 | greycat | And why is that your goto option instead of backporting dpkg-dev and seeing what breaks next? |
| 21:11.31 | greycat | What does "compile alsa" MEAN TO YOU? |
| 21:11.46 | Agialsa | ok lets go down the hole |
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| 21:13.14 | erm3nda | Hi guys. I am a current user of Debian. I wanna know to test out other "really stable" distro, but im a lot unsure what to try now. Im trying to decide between Elive, Ubuntu, Arch and Fedora. |
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| 21:13.24 | Agialsa | just afraid of breaking my system |
| 21:13.34 | erm3nda | I would really appreciate any real suggestion about that. Thanks. |
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| 21:14.34 | erm3nda | Agialsa, backup. |
| 21:14.42 | greycat | compiling an upstream alsa userspace-utilities tarball is more likely to break your system than carefully backporting deb-src |
| 21:14.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's anyone who calls arch "really stable"? |
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| 21:15.11 | greycat | compiling an upstream KERNEL DRIVER is also a thing you really, really want to be sure you need to do before tryhing it |
| 21:15.13 | erm3nda | i don't know arch, but if it is, i will give a try. If is not, is out of my list |
| 21:15.22 | Agialsa | ok still compiling |
| 21:15.27 | stoned | stable means different things to different people. |
| 21:15.39 | Agialsa | ok still compiling dpkg-dev |
| 21:15.42 | erm3nda | sure, just dump your suggestion, please. |
| 21:15.52 | erm3nda | if you can add any reasoning to it, i will kindly read it. |
| 21:15.53 | stoned | This is not a suggestion dump |
| 21:15.56 | stoned | this is support |
| 21:16.02 | greycat | !why debian |
| 21:16.02 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 21:16.09 | erm3nda | where can i found a suggestion channel? |
| 21:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | of the ones you named, possibly fedora |
| 21:16.21 | greycat | If you want to compare distros, maybe ##linux |
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| 21:16.28 | Agialsa | greycat, i think i have a winner? |
| 21:16.30 | Agialsa | dpkg-deb: building package `dpkg-dev' in `../dpkg-dev_1.18.10_all.deb' |
| 21:16.43 | erm3nda | Thank you CutMeOwnThroat, is the first on my current list. |
| 21:16.50 | Agialsa | install the resultant debs ? |
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| 21:17.08 | erm3nda | thx greycat , ill see. |
| 21:17.16 | stoned | If you ever ask me what to install, the answer is always debian stable. |
| 21:17.42 | erm3nda | I actually use Debian 8 and i have no problem with it. Now wanna know another good distro. |
| 21:17.46 | erm3nda | Thats all. |
| 21:17.52 | stoned | Sure. ##linux |
| 21:18.01 | Agialsa | greycat, do i install dpkg_1.18.10_amd64.deb the resultant with dpkg -i ? |
| 21:18.03 | stoned | Try distrowatch! |
| 21:18.07 | stoned | I hear they have a good websitey |
| 21:18.19 | greycat | Agialsa: I would only install dpkg-dev for now. |
| 21:18.28 | Agialsa | all the debs ? |
| 21:18.29 | Agialsa | ok |
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| 21:18.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do you need dpkg-dev newer than in jessie? |
| 21:18.53 | Agialsa | apt-get install dpkg-dev ? |
| 21:18.57 | missmbob | because reasons, man |
| 21:19.00 | greycat | backport of libasound2 needed newer debhelper, which then needed newer dpkg-dev |
| 21:19.11 | greycat | Agialsa: the ONE YOU JUST BUILT. dpkg -i. |
| 21:19.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, just took some time to get to an error |
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| 21:19.29 | Agialsa | the bot says install resultant debs from where the dir i'm in ? |
| 21:19.34 | Agialsa | ok |
| 21:19.56 | greycat | *IF* the next iteration is "needs newer dpkg" then you have to consider whether you want to install the backported dpkg, or just say "fuck it" and upgrade the whole damned system to stretch |
| 21:19.57 | Agialsa | dpkg-dev_1.18.10_all.deb ? |
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| 21:20.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | or get an usb auido adapter for $1 |
| 21:20.33 | missmbob | that's why i asked about stretch live cd. that'd be useful in this case |
| 21:20.40 | Agialsa | or dpkg_1.18.10_amd64.deb or libdpkg-dev_1.18.10_amd64.deb |
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| 21:20.55 | greycat | HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES do you have to have things repeated |
| 21:21.01 | greycat | 17:18 greycat> Agialsa: I would only install dpkg-dev for now. |
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| 21:21.50 | Agialsa | dpkg-dev_1.18.10_all.deb that one ok |
| 21:22.25 | Agialsa | dpkg: error processing package dpkg-dev (--install): |
| 21:22.25 | Agialsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.25 | Agialsa | Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-5) . |
| 21:22.25 | dpkg | agialsa: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 21:22.36 | greycat | Find the first error. |
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| 21:23.30 | Agialsa | http://codepad.org/bHjfOGMj |
| 21:23.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.46 | Agialsa | dpkg-dev depends on libdpkg-perl (= 1.18.10); however: |
| 21:23.46 | Agialsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.09 | Agialsa | upgrade tar |
| 21:24.12 | Agialsa | lol |
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| 21:24.27 | greycat | And tar too. Jeeeesus. |
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| 21:24.53 | greycat | What the hell kind of crazy-ass build commands is debian using that it needs bleeding edge TAR?! |
| 21:25.06 | missmbob | xz? |
| 21:25.14 | Agialsa | aptitude build-dep tar ? |
| 21:25.22 | greycat | jessie tar has a --xz option |
| 21:25.38 | greycat | Agialsa: it's up to you if you want to continue on this path, or cut your losses at this point. |
| 21:26.22 | Agialsa | probably stop greycat |
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| 21:26.25 | greycat | When it starts asking for upgrades of tar or dpkg, I personally hit the brakes. |
| 21:26.28 | dStruct | hey all, I was curious is there a particular reason why hashcat on stretch is still v3.00-3 ? |
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| 21:26.39 | greycat | ,v hashcat |
| 21:26.41 | judd | Package: hashcat on amd64 -- stretch: 3.00-3; sid: 3.10-1 |
| 21:26.53 | Agialsa | ok greycat can i revert back |
| 21:27.06 | greycat | There's a web page for "why a thing in stretch is like it is" but last time I used it, it hadn't been updated in months. |
| 21:27.15 | Agialsa | like instal dpkg-dev back ? |
| 21:27.29 | greycat | Agialsa: yeah, you can reinstall the jessie versions of whichever .deb files you installed by hand, or you can leave them as they are now. |
| 21:27.54 | greycat | !why is hashcat not in testing |
| 21:27.54 | dpkg | hashcat is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=hashcat |
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| 21:28.10 | greycat | Yup, still out of date. |
| 21:28.19 | greycat | Latest update: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 08:23:13 GMT |
| 21:28.19 | Agialsa | debhelper and libsound2 ? |
| 21:28.27 | Agialsa | how can i do that ? |
| 21:28.34 | greycat | Agialsa: whatever you did by hand. apt-get -t jessie install ... |
| 21:28.53 | jmcnaught | dStruct: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/hashcat the newer hashcat only made it into unstable a couple of days ago |
| 21:29.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ooh, shiny |
| 21:29.42 | Agialsa | apt-cache search libasound2 |
| 21:29.42 | Agialsa | libasound2 - shared library for ALSA applications |
| 21:29.43 | Agialsa | ? |
| 21:29.44 | dStruct | jmcnaught: understood, I saw v3.10 released on 08/19/16, and I'm on Kali Rolling which pulls most of it's packages from Stretch, therefor was wondering when v3.10 would trickle down :D |
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| 21:30.10 | Agialsa | is that libasound of sid or jessie ? greycat ? |
| 21:30.12 | jmcnaught | dStruct: you should ask the kali people about that then, kali isn't supported in #debian |
| 21:30.51 | Agialsa | he following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:30.51 | Agialsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.51 | Agialsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.51 | Agialsa | hmm |
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| 21:31.22 | appas | how should i go about this: there being a timeout when the screen turns black, to turn off the backlight when this happens? i know i can turn off the backlight on my samsung netbook with samsung-tools --backlight off, but i don't know how to make this trigger when xfce4-power-manager turns the display black, and then reverse also? |
| 21:31.45 | dStruct | jmcnaught: and rightfully so, according to the website most packages are updated based on when stretch packages are updated (24-48 hours'ish), but stretch still has hashcat 3.00-3, hence my original question, but you answered it |
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| 21:32.18 | Agialsa | how do i fix dpkg-dev : Depends: libdpkg-perl (= 1.18.10) but 1.17.27 is to be installed |
| 21:32.19 | Agialsa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:32.28 | greycat | Agialsa: whatever you did by hand. apt-get -t jessie install ... |
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| 21:32.36 | greycat | if dpkg-dev is one that you did by hand, then include it. |
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| 21:32.53 | Agialsa | apt-get -t jessie install dpkg-dev ? |
| 21:32.55 | Agialsa | like that ? |
| 21:32.58 | greycat | AMONG OTHERS, YES |
| 21:33.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | appas, most screensavers have some option/preference you can set to put the monitor into power-saving mode⦠using that should switch off the backlight |
| 21:33.21 | Agialsa | still it won;t install |
| 21:33.44 | veil_ | Hello all, having a small dependency/candidate issue with Vbox. Here's a link to reddit to my problem since I can't post full thing here. Please PM if you can help. |
| 21:33.58 | Agialsa | greycat, pt-get -t jessie install dpkg-dev |
| 21:33.58 | Agialsa | Reading package lists... Done |
| 21:33.58 | Agialsa | Building dependency tree |
| 21:33.58 | Agialsa | Reading state information... Done |
| 21:33.58 | Agialsa | dpkg-dev is already the newest version. |
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| 21:34.06 | veil_ | ubuntu 14.10 btw |
| 21:34.20 | veil_ | https://www.reddit.com/r/computers/comments/51snte/dependancy_issue_with_linux_installation_of/ |
| 21:34.25 | towo` | veil_, here is #debian, not ubuntu |
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| 21:34.31 | greycat | Agialsa: as a last resort, you can probably just purge dpkg-dev. It's not necessary to normal operations. |
| 21:34.45 | Agialsa | sorry for the paste did not do it on purpose |
| 21:34.47 | appas | CutMeOwnThroat: i agree that it should, yet it does not - probably because the backlight is vendor-dependent, whereas blanking a screen isn't. so, it's not in xfce4-power-manager-settings |
| 21:34.57 | veil_ | Oh. Isn't ubuntu debian? my fault. new to linux. |
| 21:35.07 | towo` | no, ubuntu is ubuntu |
| 21:35.13 | veil_ | oh haha, whoops. |
| 21:35.20 | veil_ | #ubuntu a channel? |
| 21:35.23 | erm3nda | sure |
| 21:35.25 | towo` | if ubuntu would be debian, it would be named debian, like debian does |
| 21:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it has its own channel ⦠unsurprisingly called #ubuntu |
| 21:35.37 | Agialsa | greycat, can i remove the sid line and od apt-get update ? |
| 21:35.40 | greycat | Agialsa: as a last resort, you can probably just purge dpkg-dev. It's not necessary to normal operations. |
| 21:35.48 | veil_ | Okay, I understand my fault. |
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| 21:35.58 | towo` | greycat, apt -t would not work for downgrades, apt install foo/jessie would do |
| 21:36.01 | veil_ | #ubuntu a working channel? |
| 21:36.17 | veil_ | tried ##linux but not responses. |
| 21:36.20 | frzr | debian is ubuntu |
| 21:36.25 | Agialsa | still won't remove it |
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| 21:36.35 | Agialsa | apt-get -f install' with no packages ? |
| 21:36.49 | greycat | Agialsa: dpkg --purge --force-depends dpkg-dev |
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| 21:37.16 | appas | all linux is ubuntu. except ubuntu. ubuntu is openbsd. |
| 21:37.27 | greycat | Agialsa: or, as towo` suggests, apt-get install dpkg-dev/jessie |
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| 21:37.42 | greycat | towo`: it's half-installed, by the way. |
| 21:37.49 | Agialsa | Setting up dpkg-dev (1.17.27) |
| 21:37.56 | greycat | (or was) |
| 21:38.02 | Agialsa | and debhelper |
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| 21:38.39 | greycat | Agialsa: towo` is telling me that -t doesn't work the way I thought it did, so you would need apt-get install debhelper/jessie etc. |
| 21:38.43 | Agialsa | The value 'debhelper' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 21:38.49 | Agialsa | ok |
| 21:38.50 | Agialsa | :) |
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| 21:39.26 | greycat | having to specify /jessie on every pkg named in the same command is really lame :( |
| 21:39.54 | Agialsa | Selected version '1.0.28-1' (Debian:8.5/stable [amd64]) for 'libasound2' |
| 21:40.00 | Agialsa | ok |
| 21:40.21 | Agialsa | libasound2 set to manually installed. can i change that or was it always like that? |
| 21:40.24 | dStruct | appas: if that were true Ubuntu would run on my Motorola MVME945 chassis, with MVME147 Motorola 68K cpus, but alas it doesn't :D |
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| 21:40.35 | knoxville | hi |
| 21:40.35 | greycat | No more spoon feeding. Christ. |
| 21:40.42 | Agialsa | :) |
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| 21:41.03 | Agialsa | can i comment out the src line now and update ? |
| 21:41.20 | greycat | If you want. |
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| 21:45.21 | Agialsa | greycat, do i have to specify now every time /jessie to the packages i want to install ? |
| 21:45.28 | greycat | no |
| 21:45.33 | Agialsa | ok |
| 21:45.45 | greycat | It was only to undo the few that you did by hand. |
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| 21:46.55 | appas | dStruct: hehe, and if what frzr said was true, debian would be binary-incompatible with itself ;D |
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| 21:48.03 | dStruct | appas: touche lol |
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| 21:52.14 | Agialsa | ok |
| 21:52.24 | Agialsa | thank you all |
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| 21:59.01 | tom99 | does anybody know why dpkg-source command fails when I type "apt-get source coreutils" on my wheezy frankendebian system? |
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| 21:59.32 | missmbob | do we know why frankedebian does anything? no, we dont. |
| 21:59.42 | tom99 | Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x coreutils_8.25-2.dsc' failed |
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| 22:00.11 | missmbob | thus why such things arent supported |
| 22:00.13 | missmbob | !dont break debian |
| 22:00.14 | dpkg | it has been said that dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 22:00.33 | tom99 | oh i think I figured it out, the next line says to install the dpkg-dev package. and when I type apt-get install dpkg-dev it wants to download a gigabyte of crap |
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| 22:00.59 | tom99 | I'm thinking maybe having jessie repositories might have messed my system up so it needs crazy huge dependencies? |
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| 22:01.08 | missmbob | obviously |
| 22:01.11 | missmbob | you should never mix |
| 22:01.14 | tom99 | ok, wasn't sure what was going on there |
| 22:01.28 | tom99 | Usually when I want to install a package I'm not accustomed to downloading gigabytes |
| 22:01.33 | marc0s | hi, where can i start looking why my usb keyboard works during boot (ie: grub and luks password prompt) but not on the login prompt at a tty? once i unplug and plug it back it works |
| 22:02.12 | marc0s | it's a laptop with debian testing on it |
| 22:02.20 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 22:02.21 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:02.23 | missmbob | marc0s: ^^ |
| 22:02.40 | marc0s | missmbob: oh, thanks |
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| 22:53.59 | guideX | any idea how to solve this issue http://skywirenews.com/pid.jpg "No session for pid XX" and then the "X" for a mouse, and can't open terminal in vnc |
| 22:54.30 | guideX | on my raspberry pi zero using tightvnc server |
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| 22:57.22 | jim | can someone walk me through building wlwifi drivers for a backports kernel? |
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| 23:00.10 | Circuitsoft_ | Hello - I'm at the (initramfs) prompt. All of my disks are here - lvm is started etc, but /dev/disk/by-uuid does not exist. |
| 23:00.16 | Circuitsoft_ | This is Jessie. |
| 23:00.27 | Circuitsoft_ | How can I force /dev/disk/by-uuid/ to be created? |
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| 23:00.47 | Circuitsoft_ | I do have by-id is the only thing in /dev/disk. |
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| 23:08.29 | appas | guideX: when do you get that error? can you open a terminal locally? |
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| 23:25.46 | jim | maybe you have no uuids? |
| 23:25.51 | jim | you can check whether you do, by running lsblk or blkid /dev/sdx8 (or somethying like that) |
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| 23:29.40 | jim | can someone walk me through building wlwifi drivers for a backports kernel? I'm running 3.16.0-4-amd64, and the kernel I want to build iwlwifi for is 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64 |
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| 23:30.29 | jim | the 3.16 kernel has had this driver since I installed debian on that machine |
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| 23:31.32 | simbalion | I'm using KeePass on two debian systems, one is a laptop the other a desktop, both are running xfce4. Auto-typing on the laptop goes really really fast, but on the desktop it literally crawls.. Can anyone tell me why this might be? |
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| 23:34.34 | jim | , pciid 8086:095a |
| 23:34.35 | judd | [8086:095a] is 'Wireless 7265' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:095a |
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| 23:38.05 | RoyK | I guess that PCI ID was chose by some old Intel guys ;) |
| 23:38.34 | RoyK | 8086 was their breakethrough, remember, after the chaos after the 8085 |
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| 23:41.11 | zykotick9 | doesn't see 808(5,6)->7265 relation... not that he cares... |
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| 23:47.21 | LearnerWind | Hey i am having problems with interpreting data from serial ports. Can anyone give me some help? |
| 23:47.21 | LearnerWind | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.21 | LearnerWind | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.21 | LearnerWind | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.22 | *** kick/#debian [LearnerWind!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.) |
| 23:48.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 23:49.18 | LearnerWind | Hi |
| 23:49.37 | jim | LearnerWind, you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command by running "anArbitraryCommand | nc termbin.com 9999", and to include error messages, "anArbitraryCommand 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999" |
| 23:49.53 | jim | it requires you have netcat installed |
| 23:50.13 | LearnerWind | I need help to figure out the meaning of a binary code from serial port |
| 23:50.23 | LearnerWind | Jim: netcat rocks |
| 23:50.25 | RoyK | LearnerWind: big endian? |
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| 23:50.31 | LearnerWind | I am new on rc |
| 23:50.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | we got it |
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| 23:50.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I doubt anyone can answer that |
| 23:50.45 | LearnerWind | Royk: idk i've tryed bouth |
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| 23:50.56 | RoyK | LearnerWind: what sort of machine? |
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| 23:51.14 | LearnerWind | Cutmeownthroat: :) |
| 23:51.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | not really something that has anything to do with debian as such either |
| 23:51.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd say read the documentation of whatever creates the serial input |
| 23:51.39 | LearnerWind | I cant send messages in the hardware |
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| 23:52.12 | LearnerWind | Royk: a co2 datalogger |
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| 23:52.44 | LearnerWind | I mean in the hardware chatroom |
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| 23:54.22 | LearnerWind | \msg NickServ |
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| 23:56.09 | jim | LearnerWind, I think I've discovered why you can't speak in ##hardware... |
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| 23:56.45 | LearnerWind | yeah changing it now |
| 23:56.55 | jim | it's that you haven't registered your nick. To do so, I collected a couple guides: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration or https://linux.chat/how-to-connect/ |
| 23:57.19 | LearnerWind | Thank you |
| 23:57.27 | jim | welcome |
| 23:58.29 | jim | be sure to check your email after you do the registration step, there's steps there for completing your registration |
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