| 00:00.06 | jim | there are other channels that restrict those who havent' registered in some way... once you register you'd have access to them as well |
| 00:00.51 | LearnerWind | yeah |
| 00:00.52 | iKarith | wow, installing gdm3 pretty much installs gnome3 by default via Recommends: abuse. Lame. |
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| 00:01.11 | LearnerWind | waiting for the email to arrive at sdf.org |
| 00:01.55 | jim | it'll take a couple mins... plus, they sometimes will get lost... for that, check your spam folder |
| 00:02.15 | LearnerWind | I wish i am not there |
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| 00:08.12 | iKarith | Actually, gdm3 also Depends: gnome-shell which Depends: on most of Gnome. |
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| 00:10.55 | LearnerWind | Jim: I am in:) |
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| 00:20.44 | provolone | I recently upgraded an older server, but now I only see two cores in top. The system should show two cores per processor for a total of 4 cores. |
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| 00:21.34 | provolone | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:23.53 | RoyK | provolone: pastebin lscpu |
| 00:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | 32 bit system? |
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| 00:25.28 | simbalion | I'm using KeePass on two debian systems, one is a laptop the other a desktop, both are running xfce4. Auto-typing on the laptop goes really really fast, but on the desktop it literally crawls.. Can anyone tell me why this might be? |
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| 00:27.13 | missmbob | simbalion: which version? |
| 00:27.18 | provolone | http://pastebin.com/eXBa1p1W |
| 00:28.09 | missmbob | simbalion: i've backported the latest keepass2 to jessie if you want to try it. might help. |
| 00:28.46 | simbalion | missmbob: can you tell me what version that is? |
| 00:28.57 | missmbob | simbalion: i did 2.34. https://dipconsultants.com/jessie/?dir=keepass2/binaries |
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| 00:29.38 | simbalion | missmbob: okay I'll give that a try thanks, on 2.28 currently |
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| 00:30.58 | smonchi | BUUURP! |
| 00:30.59 | darkmatter | hey guys im looking for a cheap, lightweight method of running a "virtual OS" within my debian server without having to install something like virtualbox or vmware |
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| 00:32.28 | simbalion | missmbob: huh, apt is telling me I've got the latest version.. |
| 00:32.41 | missmbob | simbalion: you do. for jessie. mine are backported |
| 00:32.53 | missmbob | so dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 00:33.04 | simbalion | I'm using jessie-backports |
| 00:33.16 | missmbob | i didnt say it was jessie-backports. i said i backported :P |
| 00:33.21 | simbalion | oh wait I see what you're saying, I have to download from your site lol |
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| 00:34.19 | missmbob | simbalion: the source code is at the same place if you're interested in that |
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| 00:39.30 | guideX | appas: I get that error when I connect via vnc |
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| 00:39.39 | guideX | on login |
| 00:39.48 | guideX | (sorry for delay) |
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| 00:41.53 | simbalion | missmbob: no difference, I don't think keepass is the issue, I think it's got something to do with key typing speed |
| 00:42.08 | missmbob | simbalion: which de? |
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| 00:42.32 | simbalion | missmbob: jessie |
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| 00:42.45 | simbalion | oh wait, de.. xfce4 |
| 00:42.51 | simbalion | both machines are using xfce4 |
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| 00:43.20 | missmbob | in xfce4 menu->settings->keyboard has typing speed settings. looked at that? |
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| 00:43.57 | missmbob | simbalion: i dont know what could be doing it. works fine here. sorry. |
| 00:44.11 | guideX | any idea how to solve this issue http://skywirenews.com/pid.jpg "No session for pid XX" and then the "X" for a mouse, and can't open terminal in vnc |
| 00:44.18 | simbalion | missmbob: yeah I tried messing with that |
| 00:44.26 | f0ff | Is there anyway to use Noto fonts on debian 8 ? |
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| 00:44.46 | missmbob | ,v fonts-noto |
| 00:44.47 | judd | Package: fonts-noto on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2013-04-11-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2013-04-11-2; sid: 20160724-1; stretch: 20160724-1 |
| 00:44.50 | missmbob | the answer is yes |
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| 00:45.21 | simbalion | I think the issue is with xdotool |
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| 00:46.56 | ecto | was wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how to troubleshoot the display brightness adjustments not working in deb 8 stretch - running on hp laptop with intel graphics (the default gnome install) |
| 00:47.37 | f0ff | missmbob: oh i meant the 500MB tarball that google provides though. it has emoji and all kinds of stuff |
| 00:47.44 | appas | guideX: well does it work, otherwise? can you close the dialog (with your X mouse cursor, or with the keyboard)? and does the pi work fine when not used through vnc? |
| 00:48.16 | missmbob | f0ff: that sounds awful and i wouldnt know anything about it |
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| 00:48.25 | guideX | appas: yes everything's fine otherwise |
| 00:48.30 | guideX | I can use the terminal over ssh |
| 00:48.43 | guideX | I can do everything like open the file manager, even use qt creator |
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| 00:49.00 | missmbob | f0ff: do you know how to manually install fonts? |
| 00:49.02 | guideX | but I have the x as cursor, error on startup, and no terminal loads etc |
| 00:49.11 | f0ff | missmbob: yes but the point of it is to covering everything in utf, so you don't need to care with fonts aslong you have the resources :P i think, haven't got it to work |
| 00:49.15 | guideX | when not using vnc, there's no problenm |
| 00:49.25 | guideX | for instance, mouse, kb, monitor, no issues like that |
| 00:49.42 | f0ff | missmbob: i just threw them into /usr/share/fonts, but it didn't seem to be able to render anything |
| 00:50.05 | missmbob | first you have to refresh the cache (and then after sometimes restart x). anyway, read this.https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts |
| 00:52.01 | appas | guideX: well, i'd go over the vnc server conf, then run it with debug logging, try to find out what's raising that error message. maybe that's the same thing as what's stopping you from starting a terminal... but, let me get this straight: you can't load a graphical terminal through vnc, but if you start it eg. with a local keyboard, you can use it through vnc? |
| 00:52.41 | guideX | yes |
| 00:52.48 | guideX | wait a sec |
| 00:52.52 | guideX | I cannot use the terminal via vnc |
| 00:53.02 | guideX | I can only open the terminal from mouse/kb/monitor or ssh |
| 00:53.20 | guideX | so if I ssh to my pi, I have a terminal, or if I connect my pi to the monitor etc |
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| 00:54.44 | appas | well, if you connect your pi to the monitor, and use a mouse/kb combo locally to open a terminal window, you have no trouble using it through vnc... right? so that leaves starting this terminal through vnc as the problem... which procedure is what, exactly? from the menus? a hotkey? |
| 00:56.13 | guideX | I just click the icon in the systray or whatever it's called, the icon in the upper left hand corner |
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| 00:56.28 | guideX | I can click the other icons just fine |
| 00:56.49 | appas | and you have different behavior clicking on this certain icon when doing so over vnc, and when doing so locally? |
| 00:57.06 | guideX | well if I click on the icon locally, terminal opens, click on it over vnc, it doesn't open etc |
| 00:57.16 | guideX | ssh to the pi, and terminal ssh session opens too |
| 00:57.21 | guideX | just dioesn't open from vnc side |
| 00:57.27 | guideX | I guess not a huge issue, just annoying |
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| 00:57.54 | guideX | trying to perfect my pi dev machine etc |
| 00:58.11 | guideX | I guess I can just use it as is, not hurting anything that way |
| 00:58.23 | guideX | appas: but something wrong the way it's setup eh? |
| 00:58.34 | guideX | I mean, that error might cause some more problems eh? |
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| 01:02.16 | appas | yeah, you're right. try to pore over the debug logs of your vnc server, and syslog etc. from the same time period, when trying to open the terminal over vnc. that's all i can think of :/ |
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| 01:09.53 | magyar | hi, i just installed testing on my laptop but for some odd reason the video card module is not getting loaded during boot, how can I fix this? |
| 01:10.01 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 01:10.02 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 01:10.04 | missmbob | magyar: ^^ |
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| 01:10.32 | magyar | thank you missmbob |
| 01:10.39 | missmbob | magyar: btw it's not surprising testing is broken. that's what happens |
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| 01:11.29 | magyar | hmm, can't join debian-next |
| 01:11.40 | magyar | vip only |
| 01:11.41 | missmbob | magyar: you failed to read it properly |
| 01:11.54 | magyar | oops |
| 01:12.35 | magyar | got it, thanks missmbob |
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| 01:19.01 | tom99 | what is the exact difference between testing and unstable? |
| 01:19.10 | tom99 | like, what determines a package is "good enough" to be moved? |
| 01:19.33 | missmbob | tom99: normally a week. if something big comes up it gets stalled |
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| 01:25.09 | tom99 | so if I change my system to be a debian testing system |
| 01:25.18 | tom99 | will that involve automatically running daily updates? |
| 01:25.20 | tom99 | or how does that work |
| 01:25.50 | missmbob | no. unless you tell it to. there are ways to automate upgrades but for a testing system that's suicide |
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| 01:28.37 | awal1 | tom99, even using stable branch automating upgrades is not recommended in my opinion |
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| 01:29.01 | jim | tom99, you can I guess... but every time you install anything new, you change your system (perhaps inconveniently so) |
| 01:30.04 | missmbob | if you don't read apt-listchanges...at *least*...well...it'll go bye-bye soon enough |
| 01:30.26 | magyar | how can i load a module during boot time? |
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| 01:31.35 | missmbob | magyar: you have /etc/modules-load.d/ ...but the kernel tries to automatically load them when it thinks it needs it |
| 01:31.42 | awal1 | tom99, a general idea https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#What_are_some_best_practices_for_testing.2Fsid_users.3F |
| 01:32.29 | missmbob | rule one: have used debian for 5 years :P |
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| 01:35.11 | jim | anyway, I was originally interested in compiling iwlwifi for 4.6... come to find it's already there... so why didn't the wireless work, I'm asking myself, and I don't know... what I did as an initial step to try to find out, is pastebin what dmesg says on each kernel... in both cases, I grepped dmesg for iwl... so, for 3.16 kernel, which works sortof, http://termbin.com/sahm |
| 01:36.30 | jim | but, for kernel 4.6, it says http://termbin.com/2qeg |
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| 01:36.50 | jim | (this is the one I'm trying to get working) |
| 01:37.42 | somiaj | jim: you need to install the firmware from jessie-backports as well as the kernel. |
| 01:38.53 | jim | somiaj, which package? firmware-iwlwifi? |
| 01:38.58 | somiaj | jim: correct |
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| 01:40.52 | magyar | missmbob: in my case i can modprobe and load the module but it will not load during boot time |
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| 01:41.43 | missmbob | magyar: this talks about autoload in a different way. should work. https://wiki.debian.org/Modules |
| 01:42.17 | magyar | missmbob: thanks |
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| 01:44.40 | jim | I'm looking at my sources.list right now, I'm not using any https sources,,, yet it complains about not finding that protocol,,,, what's the package for that? (I'll install it, I guess that will quiet it down) |
| 01:45.07 | missmbob | apt-transport-https |
| 01:45.31 | magyar | missmbob: that's got to be an old link, update-modules doesn't exist |
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| 01:47.16 | girlsayswhat | Here's what I'm listening to right now: http://www.renegadetribune.com/blackbird9s-breakfast-club-higher-understanding-9-11/ |
| 01:47.26 | girlsayswhat | Jewish controlled debt-based monetary systems are WEAPONS because there is always more DEBT in the system than money to pay off the debt. |
| 01:48.06 | preaction | say what? |
| 01:48.10 | jim | girlsayswhat, politics discussion is about 9000 miles toward the south pole |
| 01:48.22 | missmbob | preaction jim: dont feed the troll please |
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| 01:51.19 | dvs | nom nom nom |
| 01:51.38 | missmbob | dvs: you...how do you always manage... asshole ;) |
| 01:51.47 | dvs | heh |
| 01:53.45 | appas | how do i reset all configuration files to the package maintainer's defaults? surely there's a more elegant way than a purge & install cycle? |
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| 02:04.04 | knamehost | hi |
| 02:04.08 | knamehost | can anybody help me |
| 02:04.16 | knamehost | recovery my debian system |
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| 02:07.48 | dvs | ...and he's back |
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| 02:09.45 | girlsayswhat | dvs, Let me make myself perfectly clear. |
| 02:09.50 | girlsayswhat | Every day now we're exposing their lies and their scams and their hatred and their malignant, unending, supernatural psychopathy. |
| 02:10.10 | dvs | !ops girlsayswhat is spamming |
| 02:10.11 | girlsayswhat | With the cat out of the bag the only thing YOU can do is embrace truth and morality. |
| 02:10.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dvs complains about: girlsayswhat is spamming |
| 02:10.41 | girlsayswhat | dvs, Your threats mean nothing. |
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| 02:31.45 | jim | , source apt-transport-https |
| 02:31.46 | judd | Package apt-transport-https in jessie -- source: apt |
| 02:32.10 | jim | , source apt |
| 02:32.11 | judd | Package apt in jessie -- source: apt |
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| 02:54.46 | jim | , v apt-transport-https |
| 02:54.47 | judd | Package: apt-transport-https on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.3; stretch: 1.3~rc4; sid: 1.3~rc4 |
| 02:56.00 | jmcnaught | jim: hey, you might be interested in the rmadison command from the devscripts package. Also you can message judd :) |
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| 02:58.17 | jim | rmadison... I dunno what it is but I'll look into it :) meanwhile this transport thing is really frustrating me... I can't understand why it would think it's missing... there's not really a reason to go for it... meanwhile hours later... argh... you get the idea generally... |
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| 02:59.31 | jim | thanks to judd I have the right one now |
| 02:59.50 | jmcnaught | jim: rmadison will tell you which version of a package is in each release |
| 03:00.12 | leahcim | Hi, is this where I come to complain that syncproxy.au.debian.org (or mirror.waia.asn.au, I can't tell) hasn't updated in a week, breaking apt-get update on all my machines? :P |
| 03:00.32 | jim | you mean like is in the udd] |
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| 03:02.03 | jim | leahcim, thats about why I sometimes patpat my sources.list.m4... change one thing, all of them get written... |
| 03:02.42 | jim | the only thing about that, is I had to learn some m4 |
| 03:04.35 | leahcim | I have a package containing some /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ files, and some magic to tweak release pinning that enables releases if apt and debian-archive-keyring are the right versions :P |
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| 03:08.14 | tx | Occasionally we have stuff that stops working on servers that have had an unclean shutdown |
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| 03:08.23 | tx | usually because a pid or lock file is still there. |
| 03:08.39 | tx | so the process fails to / won't start for whatever reason via systemd / init |
| 03:09.05 | tx | is there a way to get around this? check for the files on bootup before starting any services after a particular run-level? :p |
| 03:09.52 | leahcim | Isn't /var/{lock,run} on tmpfs these days? |
| 03:10.10 | tx | hmm, not on this machine and it's nearly brand new |
| 03:10.49 | leahcim | Odd, it is on my jessie machines... |
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| 03:12.20 | leahcim | And the wheezy machines I checked too :P |
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| 03:33.35 | jim | that was -rough-... after solving a thousand million little tiny detailed puzzles... I finally got the firmware from jessie backports as you suggested, and it does work now |
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| 03:35.21 | jim | so, thanks for that, it's definitely a load off my mind |
| 03:35.27 | Je553e | I download the kernel tar from kernel.org and "john@debian:~/Downloads$ gpg --verify linux-4.4.1.tar.sign linux-4.4.1.tar.gz gpg: Signature made Monday, February 01, 2016 AM03:29:59 HKT using RSA key ID 6092693E gpg: BAD signature from "Greg Kroah-Hartman (Linux kernel stable release signing key) <greg@kroah.com>" |
| 03:35.42 | Je553e | it's fake? |
| 03:35.52 | missmbob | Je553e: stop. arent you the one i talked to yesterday about this? |
| 03:36.02 | missmbob | and greycat. and others |
| 03:36.10 | Je553e | missmbob: No |
| 03:36.17 | jim | no idea... but, there are later kernels in jessie backports |
| 03:36.21 | missmbob | pretty sure i have the look that i'm looking at now... |
| 03:36.25 | missmbob | log* |
| 03:36.28 | Je553e | I don't talk about this yesterday |
| 03:36.45 | jim | you don't have to compile your own kernel if you don't want to |
| 03:37.09 | missmbob | Je553e: to compile it properly on debian you *must* follow this. https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package |
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| 03:37.42 | Je553e | missmbob: it's not yesterday, it's a few days ago :) |
| 03:37.59 | jim | probably that involves building a package of the kernel and modules... very handy |
| 03:38.19 | Je553e | missmbob: so it's fake? |
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| 03:38.49 | missmbob | Je553e: no. you just cant sign willy nilly like that. read the fucking handbook i linked you to days ago :P |
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| 03:44.43 | Je553e | missmbob: "# gunzip -c linux-4.7.3.tar.gz |gpg --verify linux-4.7.3.tar.sign - gpg: Signature made Wednesday, September 07, 2016 PM02:35:30 HKT using RSA key ID 6092693E gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" |
| 03:44.44 | Je553e | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.07 | Je553e | I should add this key into something? |
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| 03:45.54 | Je553e | that singature something really kill me :( |
| 03:45.55 | missmbob | Je553e: is that mentioned anywhere in the handbook? |
| 03:46.17 | missmbob | the answer is no. |
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| 03:46.56 | Je553e | missmbob: the carpter you sent me, no mention |
| 03:47.03 | mtcj | Us there a channel for package maintainers? |
| 03:47.13 | missmbob | yeah. so you're asking me to comment on something i havent told you to do |
| 03:47.23 | missmbob | i gave you the exact instructions. up to you to follow or now |
| 03:47.25 | missmbob | not* |
| 03:48.07 | missmbob | !mentors |
| 03:48.07 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 03:48.13 | missmbob | mtcj: got there |
| 03:48.21 | mtcj | Ok |
| 03:49.12 | mtcj | It is invite only, if anyone there wants to invite me, thanks in advance. |
| 03:49.27 | missmbob | mtcj: no it's not. you didn't read everything. read carefully |
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| 03:50.44 | missmbob | mtcj: it's on a different network. OFTC *not* freenode |
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| 03:52.29 | mtcj | Hmm they should probably say that in the /topic instead of "part and rejoin", and ## should also mention that OFTC is the place to go |
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| 03:58.50 | Je553e | how to verify files that signed by gpg? |
| 03:59.34 | Je553e | I got the key use gpg --keyserver, and got xxx.sign and file |
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| 03:59.54 | Je553e | now I'm using gpt --verify xxx.sign file, it's wrong? |
| 04:00.03 | tom99 | je553e: Funny you ask that, I asked that in #gpg and haven't gotten an answer yet |
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| 04:00.27 | tom99 | Someone in another channel suggested I do gpg --keyring gnu-keyring.gpg --verify xxx.sig xxx |
| 04:01.15 | tom99 | But I get output that says warning it's not from a trusted signature |
| 04:01.34 | tom99 | The GPG website says this is an error people get, but doesn't instruct me on how to fix it |
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| 04:02.52 | Je553e | so gpg is just a joke? and people should use md5sum check |
| 04:03.54 | tom99 | well in fairness it also says it's a "Good signature" on the previous part |
| 04:03.59 | tom99 | so who knows |
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| 04:06.51 | Je553e | why not sign it with ssl or directely use md5sum? |
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| 04:09.30 | tom99 | i don't know je55e |
| 04:11.02 | mtcj | MD5SUM lawl |
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| 04:13.20 | mtcj | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-verify-integrity-of-the-tar-balls-with-gpg-command.html |
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| 04:16.44 | Je553e | mtcj: I did as it said, but I got 'gpg: not a detached signature' |
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| 04:24.03 | tom99 | ok Jesse I think I figured it out |
| 04:24.09 | tom99 | oh he left |
| 04:24.15 | tom99 | well bollocks |
| 04:25.00 | tx | bollock's tom99 |
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| 04:27.02 | moparisthebest | does anyone use testing or unstable for a desktop? |
| 04:27.20 | tx | I do |
| 04:27.26 | tx | Have done for a long long time. |
| 04:27.36 | moparisthebest | I want to get off Kubuntu and I'm most comfortable with debian, but I'm deciding between debian testing/unstable or Arch, I think |
| 04:27.38 | tom99 | anyway, gpg whines about the file not being "trusted" |
| 04:27.38 | tom99 | but still tells you if the PGP signature is GOOD or BAD |
| 04:27.45 | tom99 | tx: can you configure updates for testing to work automatically? or do you manually do apt-get upgrade every day? |
| 04:27.53 | tx | lol |
| 04:27.53 | moparisthebest | tx: which one and how 'stable' do you find it to be? how often do you update and such? |
| 04:27.56 | tx | well, you could use a cron job? :P |
| 04:28.00 | tx | I use stretch |
| 04:28.05 | tx | it's stable most of the time. |
| 04:28.13 | tx | so, testing. :0 |
| 04:28.16 | tx | :) * |
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| 04:28.54 | jmcnaught | on testing and unstable it's best to do upgrades manually, and use apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
| 04:29.41 | tx | Yeah. |
| 04:29.43 | tx | I do it manually. |
| 04:29.56 | moparisthebest | how often do you generally do it? |
| 04:30.19 | tx | about once a week, depends on what is getting updated |
| 04:30.33 | tx | I have been avoiding xorg updates recently because xrandr was goofed up. |
| 04:30.40 | jmcnaught | something to keep in mind about testing is that it's usually the last to get security updates |
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| 04:32.23 | moparisthebest | does anyone use unstable for a desktop? :) |
| 04:32.44 | tx | Nah I am pretty sane. |
| 04:32.52 | tx | So no. |
| 04:33.02 | tx | I am sure people in #debian-next might disagree though. |
| 04:33.13 | nkuttler | moparisthebest: sure, some do |
| 04:33.25 | moparisthebest | I don't mind spending a bit of time fixing stuff up, I just don't want to spend all my time fixing stuff up :) |
| 04:33.27 | tx | jmcnaught: which is why I don't use anything but stable on servers and the like. :) |
| 04:33.35 | nkuttler | moparisthebest: then go with stable |
| 04:34.00 | moparisthebest | I don't want ancient software either though |
| 04:34.14 | tom99 | unstable sounds new and exciting. maybe i'll install that on my virtual machine |
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| 04:34.35 | tom99 | Will it be more or less dangerous than having sex with strangers tx? |
| 04:34.39 | moparisthebest | I'm basically deciding between debian testing/unstable or arch, hmm |
| 04:34.58 | tx | Well, testing can get out of date sometimes |
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| 04:35.29 | tom99 | do you get any particular benefits, other than not having to do system upgrades? |
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| 04:37.06 | jim | moparisthebest, in ALL of those cases, support will not be here on this channel |
| 04:37.45 | moparisthebest | ah the topic, not even freenode at all? bummer |
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| 04:38.10 | jim | correct, for the debian side, dunno about arch |
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| 05:47.26 | qqa | Do you need to disable secure boot to install debian? |
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| 06:08.49 | splashing | hi |
| 06:10.37 | h3derah3lix | Hi |
| 06:11.44 | splashing | when debian will use linux kernel 4.7? |
| 06:12.50 | GJdan | Getting a weird error when I do apt-get update... not sure what's going on |
| 06:12.57 | GJdan | this error: http://sprunge.us/iLeV |
| 06:14.45 | tx | splashing: when it gets updated |
| 06:15.05 | splashing | oh,thanks |
| 06:16.33 | tx | splashing: I would tell you seriously but the tracking site is being slow |
| 06:16.44 | tx | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linux |
| 06:16.51 | tx | it's in unstable now, but not testing |
| 06:18.04 | splashing | thanks |
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| 06:32.38 | bumblefuzz | apparently debian live images come in flavors that include cinnamon and mate... where do I find the cinnamon and mate live images? |
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| 06:36.21 | vvande | bumblefuzz: aren't those Mint https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php |
| 06:36.27 | vvande | ? |
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| 06:37.05 | mark244-x1 | What is the solution? http://pastebin.com/ktaPksx1 |
| 06:37.11 | bumblefuzz | no |
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| 06:37.20 | bumblefuzz | just a different DE |
| 06:37.28 | bumblefuzz | mint is its own distro |
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| 06:43.39 | vvande | bumblefuzz: I know, but it seems like all the Google links lead to mint in this regard. I believe they're the ones that created cinnamon. |
| 06:44.21 | bumblefuzz | vvande: see "flavors" https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 06:45.04 | bumblefuzz | I just can't use the debian website to locate anything |
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| 06:45.30 | bumblefuzz | the organization of it makes no sense to me |
| 06:46.06 | vvande | try here http://linux.softpedia.com/downloadTag/Debian%20Live |
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| 06:47.58 | vvande | I agree the Debian site is crap. They have no organizatinal skills. |
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| 06:52.43 | mark244-x1 | Helpme http://pastebin.com/ktaPksx1 |
| 06:52.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, he only needed to click on "amd64" on the same page and the name of the image would tell which one had mate? |
| 06:53.11 | jelly | mark244-x1: your PATH is missing /usr/sbin and maybe /sbin as well |
| 06:53.38 | jelly | mark244-x1: what does echo $PATH say in the root shell you're running the command from? |
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| 06:55.39 | HGJ | marj244-x1: Did you just upgrade from a previous version of Debian? |
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| 06:56.19 | vvande | CutMeOwnThroat: there is nothing that indicates that clicking on that will give a list. However, I'll remember that when I next need it. Thanks! |
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| 06:56.52 | mark244-x1 | Not, after. But the problem persist. |
| 06:58.19 | HGJ | Tried "apt-get install -f"? |
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| 06:58.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | vvande, well, you have to choose the architecture, else you'd get a list of *all* architectures? |
| 06:58.47 | mark244-x1 | Yes i tried. |
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| 06:59.17 | mark244-x1 | is arm |
| 06:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does "Not, after." mean |
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| 07:00.34 | mark244-x1 | Sorry for my english |
| 07:01.07 | jelly | mark244-x1: what does "echo $PATH" say |
| 07:01.08 | HGJ | "apt-get remove nscd && apt-get install -f" - then reinstall nscd when the other upgrades are done |
| 07:02.02 | jelly | mark244-x1: run the command "echo $PATH" and show the output here |
| 07:02.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | HGJ, that can't work. it's a prerm script, he needs to fix the script. if it's what jelly suspects, one shouldn't fix it in any other way |
| 07:02.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | …then by setting path |
| 07:02.26 | HGJ | True. Lets see the path! |
| 07:02.39 | jelly | HGJ: it is very clear where the install scripts fail. They won't magically start working after a removal and reinstall |
| 07:02.59 | HGJ | jelly: If it is midway through an upgrade .. I've seen stranger things :) |
| 07:03.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | than* |
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| 07:03.59 | mark244-x1 | The path usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games |
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| 07:04.13 | jelly | mark244-x1: there is no /usr/sbin in there, add it |
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| 07:04.43 | mark244-x1 | Is a chroot |
| 07:04.44 | vvande | CutMeOwnThroat: of course, that makes sence. But it is an insignificant small light colored link with no explanation. Labeling it would take two seconds for whomever did the page and would be respectful to users. Especially old folks like me who can't see so well any more. In any case, I don't wish to argue. You've been helpful. :) |
| 07:05.04 | jelly | mark244-x1: doesn't matter. PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 07:05.10 | pagios | anyone here tried vnc server/client? |
| 07:05.30 | jim | have you? |
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| 07:07.33 | jelly | mark244-x1: after that do "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install" |
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| 07:08.58 | jim | so it's your choice... you can either ask a detailed informative question, the one you actually want to ask, or decide this isn't the place (a choice you don't have is to take polls without providing complete info) |
| 07:09.23 | mark244-x1 | Not remove nscd. Is necesary reinstall. |
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| 07:09.54 | HGJ | mark244-x1: Try what jelly suggests. |
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| 07:10.31 | jim | if you decide this isn't the place (it might not be), you can ask the bot for a list of channels: There is a bot, alis, that can assist you in looking for channels on the Freenode irc net. To start, /msg alis help |
| 07:11.05 | HGJ | mark244-x1: If it works, you should probably add /usr/local/sbin to the PATH variable in /etc/profile to avoid having to set it after each login |
| 07:11.30 | jelly | HGJ: it's /usr/sbin, and it's there by default |
| 07:11.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | vvande, it probably could be made better… but "Architecture" in the list above explains about the two architectures and lists them… then the downloads at the bottom are split into bittorrent-files and direct full downloads. The more text there is, the less likely people are to read it. Mostly the proposed cure for this is to write more |
| 07:11.39 | jim | I would think there aren't channels that really like polls, and all including here would prefer the detailed informative question |
| 07:11.57 | HGJ | jelly: Then why is it not in his path now? - I'm guessing it got removed from profile |
| 07:12.01 | jelly | HGJ: my wild guess is he doesn't actually have a login shell |
| 07:12.16 | jelly | but did something like chroot /blah/foo /bin/bash |
| 07:12.20 | HGJ | jelly: Ahh - that makes sense .. |
| 07:12.38 | jelly | without a -l parameter for the shell |
| 07:14.46 | darkmatter | is it possible to configure a debian server that can be used to connect clients to my wireless printer/scanner |
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| 07:25.10 | Storfiskaren | darkmatter: Cups have an options that says "share this printer" at least. You could try that. |
| 07:25.37 | darkmatter | yea it shares the printer but not the scanning functionality i already have a cups print server setup but it doesnt do scanning, and i took a look at the docs |
| 07:25.43 | darkmatter | doesn't mention anything about scanning just printing |
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| 07:27.29 | HGJ | darkmatter: Assuming both server and client can use Sane, theres this: https://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork |
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| 07:28.22 | darkmatter | as far as i know sane can only be used to share USB scanners |
| 07:28.41 | Gilfoyle | So question, how would I go about setting a new window manager for auto use at startup? Been combing through the docs for update-alternatives but been a no go so far. |
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| 07:29.18 | darkmatter | your DE manager like lightdm or gdm should have an option when you log into your machine |
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| 07:30.27 | pinksandy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHyzsuj2Rzs |
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| 07:30.53 | pinksandy | 9 11 Brainwashing: Who is responsible? Part 2 |
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| 07:32.44 | mtcj | Debian |
| 07:32.57 | mtcj | Try #steelbeams |
| 07:33.34 | no_gravity | Hello! My wifi always stops working after a few minutes and does not work again unless I reboot. Is there a way to reset only the wifi, so I can test without constantly rebooting? |
| 07:33.38 | pinksandy | mtcj, We must identify and bring to justice the culprits, and if those culprits happen to run this system, then they need to be taken down all the more. |
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| 07:36.33 | mtcj | no_gravity: is there anything in the logs? |
| 07:36.36 | pinksandy | "Life is too wonderful and promising to allow a gang of psychopaths to turn it into a living Hell." |
| 07:37.09 | no_gravity | mtcj: Between it working and it not working, nothing new appears in the output of "dmesg -T". Any other logs I should check? |
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| 07:38.47 | no_gravity | mtcj: Thre is a bunch of stuff in /var/log/syslog that contains what looks like ipv6 addresses. Maybe ipv6 is the problem and I should disable it? |
| 07:39.24 | HGJ | no_gravity: When the wireless stops working, does the wired connection still work? |
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| 07:39.38 | Dagger | "I can see a v6 address, I need to disable it!" I was kinda hoping we were over this by now :| |
| 07:39.48 | no_gravity | HGJ: I don't know. I had no wired connection for many years now. |
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| 07:40.26 | HGJ | Dagger: After all, IPv6 is only a 20 year old standard - we must be cautious ;) |
| 07:41.24 | HGJ | no_gravity: Ok. Do you loose association to the wifi network, or does the traffic just stop? Have you checked your routing table? |
| 07:42.07 | no_gravity | HGJ: How do I check the routing table? |
| 07:42.08 | HGJ | lose* |
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| 07:42.25 | HGJ | no_gravity: route -n |
| 07:42.35 | no_gravity | HGJ: comes back empty |
| 07:42.54 | Joost | what gtk theme are you guys using? hardpressed to find stuff that supports debian stable :P |
| 07:42.57 | no_gravity | HGJ: I cannot see any wifi networks after it breaks. |
| 07:42.58 | Dagger | or `ip r`/`ip -6 r`... I find their output easier to understand, at least |
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| 07:44.06 | HGJ | no_gravity: Ok. It's probably a driver problem then. Which network card (chipset) are you using? |
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| 07:45.18 | no_gravity | HGJ: I don't know. Does lspci show me? It says something about Broadcom BCM4352 802.11ac. Maybe it's thatß |
| 07:45.21 | no_gravity | HGJ: I don't know. Does lspci show me? It says something about Broadcom BCM4352 802.11ac. Maybe it's that? |
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| 07:46.23 | mark244-x1 | Thanks so much. jelly and HGJ. Is correct the upgrade. |
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| 07:46.34 | anticensored | youtube.com/watch?v=CYsrV3zGd0c |
| 07:46.36 | no_gravity | HGJ: Can I somehow restart the driver so that I get internet back temporarely? |
| 07:46.39 | anticensored | niko: kiss my ass |
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| 07:46.55 | anticensored | you said not to paste that link, or was it no more gnaa shit? |
| 07:47.05 | mark244-x1 | Thansk. |
| 07:47.14 | anticensored | well either way i identify as a gay nigger and its discrimination if you dont respect it, niko |
| 07:47.14 | mark244-x1 | Thanks. |
| 07:47.42 | pinksandy | If the American people ever realize what happened, they're done. "You know they did 911." Alan Zabrosky |
| 07:48.16 | bazhang | how is that topical pinksandy |
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| 07:48.42 | anticensored | bazhang: how is your mom topical? |
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| 07:48.49 | anticensored | is she a gay nigger too? |
| 07:48.54 | pinksandy | bazhang, It's relevant to everyone in the free software community. |
| 07:49.06 | HGJ | no_gravity: You can probably rmmod the module and then reload it .. but im not sure it will help. Maybe someone else knows if BCM4352 is properly supported. |
| 07:49.22 | mark244-x1 | [02:46] (mark244-x1) Thanks so much. jelly and HGJ. Is correct the upgrade. |
| 07:49.27 | pinksandy | bazhang, They perpetrators have been identified. The truth is going viral. Their system is coming down. |
| 07:49.36 | no_gravity | HGJ: How do I figure out the module? |
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| 07:50.11 | pinksandy | bazhang, I will tell you right now that no mercy will be shown. They will be treated as mercilessly and as ruthlessly as they have treated humanity, as they have treated all life on this planet. |
| 07:50.14 | HGJ | no_gravity: "lsmod | grep bcm" i guess |
| 07:50.14 | anticensored | niko: kiss my ass |
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| 07:50.18 | anticensored | niko kiss my ass |
| 07:50.24 | anticensored | niko suck me off |
| 07:50.31 | no_gravity | HGJ: I just guessed "rmmod wl" and "modprobe wl" and in fact it brought back the wifi. |
| 07:50.36 | bazhang | thanks |
| 07:50.48 | pinksandy | "Life is too wonderful and promising to allow a gang of psychopaths to turn it into a living Hell." |
| 07:50.50 | no_gravity | HGJ: It sees the router again. It cannot connect though. |
| 07:50.50 | HGJ | no_gravity: Great :) |
| 07:51.02 | appas | pinksandy: the truth has no effect on evil. no kindly shush, or take it to #debian-offtopic ♥ |
| 07:51.07 | HGJ | (omg - is there any ops here to kick theese ppl?) |
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| 07:51.28 | HGJ | no_gravity: Do you have any modules called bcm<something> ? |
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| 07:51.35 | no_gravity | HGJ: How do I check? |
| 07:51.42 | bazhang | HGJ, staff if ops dont show up |
| 07:51.46 | HGJ | no_gravity: lsmod |
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| 07:52.41 | no_gravity | HGJ: Hmm.. there is none that is called bcm.* |
| 07:53.52 | HGJ | no_gravity: Right. It's the "wl" module. https://wiki.debian.org/wl see "Known Issues" |
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| 07:55.04 | no_gravity | "Frequent disconnections can be experienced. This may be resolved by disabling power management". |
| 07:55.09 | no_gravity | What is power management? |
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| 07:55.38 | HGJ | no_gravity: iwconfig wlan0 power off |
| 07:55.51 | HGJ | no_gravity: Edit /etc/laptop-mode/conf.d/wireless-power.conf and set WIRELESS_BATT_POWER_SAVING=0 |
| 07:56.03 | no_gravity | HGJ: Yeah, I saw that. I mean what will that turn off? The power management of the wifi module? |
| 07:56.22 | HGJ | no_gravity: Yes. Wireless power-saving. |
| 07:56.56 | no_gravity | HGJ: interesting |
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| 08:05.12 | TomyWork | hi |
| 08:05.19 | bazhang | hi |
| 08:05.46 | r0b0 | hi, any idea why my wlan interface wouldn't get assigned static IP address on reboot but when I manually run ifup wlan0, it works? |
| 08:06.17 | r0b0 | http://pastebin.com/HumLA6da <- my /etc/network/interfaces entry for wlan0 |
| 08:06.27 | TomyWork | when packaging software, is there a way to force a certain config file to be overwritten but nevertheless leave a ~.dpkg-* file if the user modified it? |
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| 08:06.59 | TomyWork | kind of like RPM's %config without the (noreplace) |
| 08:07.00 | mtcj | I'd check the logs when the network is brought up and see if it's referencing some config ifup isnt. |
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| 08:07.52 | r0b0 | it used to work in wheezy but I upgraded to jessie yesterday and it stopped... |
| 08:08.54 | HGJ | r0b0: Is the interface even brought up on boot? - does ifconfig list it? |
| 08:09.13 | r0b0 | HGJ, yes, it lists it but no IP address assigned |
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| 08:10.43 | HGJ | r0b0: Does it get an IP when you run "/etc/init.d/networking start" ? |
| 08:11.29 | r0b0 | HGJ, no |
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| 08:12.36 | HGJ | r0b0: "cat /etc/default/networking" looks ok? |
| 08:13.04 | pinksandy | More people than ever before are waking up to the fact the Nazis were not the demons they were made out to be. Hmm. |
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| 08:14.40 | r0b0 | HGJ, no active line there - all commented out |
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| 08:15.10 | TomyWork | pinksandy troll elsewhere |
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| 08:16.16 | HGJ | ^ |
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| 08:17.55 | HGJ | r0b0: Ok - i'm out of suggestions. |
| 08:18.28 | TomyWork | r0b0 did your interface names change maybe? |
| 08:18.46 | TomyWork | systemd has its own idea of interface names |
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| 08:19.17 | TomyWork | something i only found out when a friend updated his box from ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 :) |
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| 08:19.34 | r0b0 | here is excerpt from syslog: http://pastebin.com/S3LhsRgF |
| 08:19.35 | TomyWork | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
| 08:20.26 | r0b0 | TomyWork, no, always been wlan0 |
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| 08:21.24 | TomyWork | r0b0 odd, it shouldn't be. jessie uses systemd 215 |
| 08:21.54 | TomyWork | maybe it's the other way round and you're using some other udev that something in jessie doesn't expect? |
| 08:22.30 | r0b0 | I'm trying to add ath9k_htc to /etc/modules - maybe the module doesn't get loaded as early as needed... |
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| 08:23.06 | HGJ | See lines 18 & 19 in the syslog paste. Looks like there is some timing issue, where the module is not loaded before the interface is brought up? |
| 08:23.34 | r0b0 | HGJ, we'll see - it's rebooting now :) |
| 08:23.55 | r0b0 | yes |
| 08:24.05 | r0b0 | got my IP address! |
| 08:24.09 | no_gravity | HGJ: That setting for wireless-power was only for battery mode. It did not help. |
| 08:24.13 | HGJ | cool :) |
| 08:24.19 | johnkeates | was the ip 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 08:24.21 | HGJ | no_gravity: Ok. Bummer :/ |
| 08:24.31 | r0b0 | thanks a lot |
| 08:24.52 | HGJ | np |
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| 08:25.27 | appas | are there some triggers to hook to from xfce(-power-manager?), so that i could script events to take place when the screen goes to sleep/wakes? |
| 08:26.07 | r0b0 | and, while I'm here - is there a network manager gui for kde4? |
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| 08:34.15 | no_gravity | HGJ: Some people say to use the broadcom driver from here: http://www.broadcom.com/support/?gid=1 |
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| 08:34.22 | no_gravity | HGJ: Can a mere mortal person do that? |
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| 08:35.49 | petn-randall | no_gravity: I haven't read the backlog completely, but have you installed the firmware package for you wifi device? |
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| 08:36.04 | no_gravity | petn-randall: If I do that, the wifi does not work at all. |
| 08:36.38 | HGJ | pent-randall: He's using standard wl. Apparently stops working after a while - I can't help. Have to work now :) |
| 08:36.38 | no_gravity | petn-randall: Oh no.. yes, I did. |
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| 08:36.58 | Rubas | ls |
| 08:37.27 | Rubas | Sorry :) |
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| 08:38.22 | no_gravity | petn-randall: There is a page for Arch that says it "requires broadcom-wlAUR or broadcom-wl-dkms". |
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| 08:38.37 | no_gravity | petn-randall: Is that available on Debian? |
| 08:38.46 | petn-randall | no_gravity: How old is the hardware, and which release are you running? |
| 08:38.56 | petn-randall | (distro release) |
| 08:39.26 | WormFood | Is there a CLI download accelerator, like Axel, but one that actually works better. Axel has some design flaws, that makes it get really slow at the end of a download, and amazingly slow, if one connection is unusually slow. |
| 08:39.36 | no_gravity | petn-randall: Running testing. It's a Dell xps 13 laptop. |
| 08:39.49 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 08:39.50 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:40.03 | petn-randall | no_gravity: ^^^ let's continue over there, then. |
| 08:40.30 | no_gravity | petn-randall: Well, I could also switch to Debian 8 which I also have on this machine. |
| 08:40.47 | no_gravity | petn-randall: Does the "broadcom-wl" thing exist in Debian? |
| 08:41.57 | no_gravity | petn-randall: They say to download it from here: https://www.broadcom.com/support/?gid=1 |
| 08:42.33 | no_gravity | petn-randall: But I find that confusing because the exact bcm4352 is not on there. |
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| 08:43.57 | no_gravity | Some people report they "switched to the broadcom-wl-dkms driver, available from the AUR" to fix the problem. |
| 08:44.00 | no_gravity | I wonder what that means. |
| 08:44.09 | no_gravity | Should I install Arch to get it? |
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| 08:45.06 | towo` | no_gravity, no, you install broadcom-sta-dkms if you want to use wl |
| 08:45.08 | bazhang | are you one arch? |
| 08:45.21 | johnkeates | no i'm johnkeates |
| 08:45.21 | bazhang | this is #debian support |
| 08:45.22 | no_gravity | towo`: "apt-get install broadcom-sta-dkms"? |
| 08:45.30 | towo` | no_gravity, what else? |
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| 08:46.08 | no_gravity | towo`: And then reboot and hope for the best? |
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| 08:46.37 | no_gravity | towo`: Holy moly, the output of that apt-get install looks like it installed a new kernel o.O |
| 08:46.42 | towo` | if you know, wl does support your chipset, you haven't to hope |
| 08:46.59 | no_gravity | towo`: I only know that I know nothing. |
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| 08:47.46 | no_gravity | I have the vague feeling that install command killed the machine... |
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| 08:48.31 | no_gravity | It does not shut down anymore... |
| 08:48.51 | r0b0 | no_gravity, *-dkms packages will build kernel modules for you.. a bit different to usual packages that basically only unpack binary files |
| 08:49.12 | no_gravity | Should I kill it by holding down the power button? |
| 08:49.25 | appas | uhh... there's somethin' happenin' here: my mouse (touchpad) clicks no longer do anything. debian jessie/openbox. i can move the cursor around, but clicking (either with the hard key, or tapping) does not do anything. any way to restore that functionality? |
| 08:50.15 | no_gravity | Phew!! The machine still boots. |
| 08:50.46 | no_gravity | Wifi still dead though. |
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| 08:51.07 | appas | xev gives no events... not even for mouse movement in the test area! despite the obvious cursor moving there! :o |
| 08:52.13 | no_gravity | Maybe I should become a windows user again. |
| 08:52.24 | no_gravity | Haven't booted windows since Windows 2000. |
| 08:52.31 | no_gravity | Maybe they made some progess meanwhile :) |
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| 08:53.06 | no_gravity | From what I read it is a regression in a recent kernel. |
| 08:53.16 | r0b0 | no_gravity, yes, they can run bash now |
| 08:53.25 | no_gravity | Will the gods of kernels and stuff fix that at some point? |
| 08:53.38 | no_gravity | Maybe I will just use a WiFi dongle and hope time will cure it. |
| 08:53.56 | no_gravity | I have this huge and ugly TP-Link dongle here that works. |
| 08:54.02 | no_gravity | It's almost as big as the laptop. |
| 08:54.21 | no_gravity | On days like these, I hate my life. |
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| 08:57.12 | tom99 | wait no_gravity you're running debian testing on a laptop?? |
| 08:57.19 | tom99 | holy crap you have balls |
| 08:57.27 | johnkeates | i'm running sid on a laptop |
| 08:57.32 | johnkeates | i have twice the amount of balls |
| 08:57.40 | johnkeates | and a laptop that's broken twice as much |
| 08:57.58 | nkuttler | of course on a laptop. the desktop is there for work |
| 08:58.00 | appas | xinput correctly shows the up/down state of the hardware button on the touchpad... yet, the UI does not respond to my clicks :S |
| 09:00.41 | r0b0 | appas, is this something that happened right now, or is this permanent? maybe some runaway app "locked" it somehow |
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| 09:01.36 | tom99 | why would you ever be running sid unless you're making packages or something for debian? |
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| 09:01.37 | r0b0 | for example remmina thinking I want to have my cursor locked inside its window |
| 09:02.46 | appas | r0b0: happened right now, out of the blue, and fixed itself just last second |
| 09:02.50 | r0b0 | tom99, aaa, it's not that bad... most of the time it's amazing - you've got all the newest and best treats |
| 09:02.51 | nkuttler | tom99: it's fun, you get new software, you help to find bugs |
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| 09:03.23 | appas | xev is back to showing these events, so i think the problem lied somewhere between xinput -> xevent ;o |
| 09:03.28 | tom99 | lol, maybe so |
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| 09:03.48 | tom99 | although with bugs, idk I guess you would just find a bug and submit it? doesn't sound that fun |
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| 09:04.13 | tom99 | idk do you get to help fix the bug or just kinda report it? |
| 09:04.23 | r0b0 | tom99, oh, it is.. I one found a prio 1 bug... I remember it for years, so proud I was |
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| 09:04.49 | appas | tom99: to begin with... then the lingering bug reports start to gnaw at the back of your brain, like so many creepy-crawlies... you get the machete... you swing it... maybe you squash a bug?! |
| 09:04.51 | r0b0 | s/one/once/ |
| 09:05.01 | hellyeah | do you think upgrading stretch now is a good idea |
| 09:05.08 | hellyeah | or testing release is still buggy |
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| 09:05.23 | appas | hellyeah: for answer, read your own nick |
| 09:05.27 | appas | j/k |
| 09:05.46 | hellyeah | hahhh |
| 09:05.48 | hellyeah | hahahahahaha |
| 09:05.54 | hellyeah | .D |
| 09:05.57 | appas | i guess the question is the same as "do you like to live a dangerous and fun life by asking for trouble?" |
| 09:06.11 | tom99 | appas: What I mean is, is it a learning opportunity because the devs want to work with you to fix the bug? Or is it a more passive role of just finding bugs and reporting them |
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| 09:07.49 | r0b0 | tom99, well, it's your bug.. you can be as active or passive as you want with it |
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| 09:08.00 | armin | hi. i remember some things one should remember about the graphical password dialogue windows some programs will spawn in order to let the user type in their passphrase of their gpg private key so they can decrypt things. i have problems using the passwordstore program ("pass") in i3, while in xfce i get such a graphical popup window to type in (being displayed after several seconds latency, but that's another |
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| 09:08.00 | armin | problem). does anyone know what to do to never let console applications such graphical dialog windows? when i'm in a terminal i don't want something to spawn graphical input dialogs. thanks. |
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| 09:08.50 | tom99 | r0b0: I'm talking about the debian mailing list people. |
| 09:09.00 | tom99 | like, are they more likely to work with you if you're reporting the bug |
| 09:09.11 | tom99 | or is it like "ok thanks mate you did good now leave it to the professionals" |
| 09:09.13 | r0b0 | armin, uninstall ssh-askpass-* packages |
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| 09:09.53 | armin | r0b0: ah, that was it probably. one of the most confusing constructs of all times hits me again. thank you. |
| 09:10.05 | appas | tom99: i suppose they'll adapt to your level. if you show a willingness and ability to help formulate a patch, i doubt any dev would be like "nah, kid, we're the PROS, here" |
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| 09:10.21 | r0b0 | armin, np |
| 09:11.05 | tom99 | lol. well someone linked to an example of a program on debian that every other distro had upgraded it to 1.3.4 and debian was 1.3.3 |
| 09:11.06 | armin | r0b0: oh, actually, i don't have any of these installed. |
| 09:11.22 | tom99 | and the dev on the mailing list was like "ah it's not a big deal, not a big priority, I don't trust you to work with me to fix it, blah blah" |
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| 09:11.39 | armin | r0b0: http://paste.debian.net/816043/ |
| 09:11.47 | r0b0 | armin, oh, so I suppose that you want your thank you back |
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| 09:12.19 | tom99 | i just wondered if anybody using sid had some experience with that |
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| 09:12.24 | armin | r0b0: oh absolutely not. you gave me a very valuable pointer and some information that might help me in the long run. |
| 09:12.29 | tom99 | because evidently if you're a lowly pleb they won't take much interest |
| 09:12.41 | r0b0 | armin, then - which app is the owner of the password window that you receive? |
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| 09:12.52 | armin | r0b0: i tried to reproduce it but something is caching... |
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| 09:14.09 | r0b0 | tom99, well, in the worst case they will ignore you.. i suppose you can live with that |
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| 09:14.58 | Skyrider | What is the cmd to make a test install to view what version, etc is going to be installed? |
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| 09:16.30 | Skyrider | Got it ^^, shame.. out-dated. |
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| 09:17.42 | kwll | Hello world |
| 09:17.55 | kwll | Am I on support |
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| 09:19.15 | Skyrider | Guess a general channel :p |
| 09:19.16 | Skyrider | but do ask. |
| 09:19.21 | no_gravity | Ok guys, wanna know what the problem with my WiFi was? |
| 09:19.43 | kwll | If there is a support is it another channel |
| 09:19.52 | kwll | I require support about audio |
| 09:20.01 | kwll | that unholy problem |
| 09:20.15 | Skyrider | Its a general debian channel, that includes 'support' ^^ |
| 09:20.33 | kwll | Okay |
| 09:20.37 | kwll | I like linux |
| 09:20.37 | r0b0 | no_gravity, something entertaining? |
| 09:20.42 | rafalcpp | can someone confirm a bug in socat for me? |
| 09:20.45 | kwll | but this audio...driving me nuts |
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| 09:20.50 | rafalcpp | socat -u TCP6-LISTEN:9876,reuseaddr,range=[fd42:f6b0:488a:6f95:bcf6:310f:556b:c1680/64] OPEN:filexxxxxxxxxxxxxx.data,creat |
| 09:20.53 | Skyrider | Ask and see if someone replies. |
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| 09:20.59 | kwll | build lamp easy....but audoi....I cry |
| 09:21.05 | rafalcpp | this command seems to hang (as in, ctrl-c not working). on stable |
| 09:21.09 | no_gravity | r0b0: Only if you watched me installing new drivers, new kernels and all that shit. |
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| 09:24.22 | r0b0 | kwll, do you have something specific to ask? do you get no sound at all? |
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| 09:25.07 | kwll | I have sound in head phones |
| 09:25.22 | kwll | sound card built in the motherboard not responding propely |
| 09:25.47 | kwll | headphones and internal speakers are run from the same card |
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| 09:33.12 | kwll | do i need a driver? |
| 09:33.28 | kwll | test |
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| 09:33.43 | kwll | do I need a driver? |
| 09:33.57 | kwll | test |
| 09:34.05 | bazhang | ,v pavucontrol |
| 09:34.06 | kwll | okay chat is stopping whis |
| 09:34.06 | judd | Package: pavucontrol on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0-1; jessie: 2.0-3; stretch: 3.0-3+b2; sid: 3.0-3+b2 |
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| 09:34.48 | kwll | running jessie |
| 09:35.07 | kwll | pavcontrol works |
| 09:35.15 | kwll | i see the levels to the speakers |
| 09:35.19 | kwll | but there is no sound |
| 09:35.33 | r0b0 | kwll, I think you just need to fiddle with a mixer application a select the output that works.. |
| 09:36.03 | kwll | this is my attempt |
| 09:36.06 | kwll | 7th |
| 09:36.20 | Rephlexie | you try un-muting in alsa-util? |
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| 09:37.29 | abhigenie92 | hi |
| 09:37.40 | abhigenie92 | I was trying to install gnome on debian 8.5 |
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| 09:40.06 | kwll | I havent |
| 09:40.21 | kwll | is there a quick command to do so |
| 09:40.27 | kwll | I have my root term up |
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| 09:41.40 | Rephlexie | kwll, the util is cli and lets you tinker with all the channels, the mutes usually fix it for me after a fresh install |
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| 09:42.35 | kwll | which cli do i use |
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| 09:42.48 | kwll | I tried pav and pulseaudio |
| 09:42.56 | bazhang | which one do you have open kwll |
| 09:43.07 | kwll | currently pulse |
| 09:43.18 | kwll | getting connteciton denied |
| 09:43.28 | vvande | try the sound card directly |
| 09:43.34 | vvande | and make sure pcm is up |
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| 09:43.40 | moetunes | try alsamixer |
| 09:43.48 | vvande | yes, on alsamixer |
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| 09:44.28 | kwll | sorry |
| 09:44.30 | kwll | was disc |
| 09:44.41 | vvande | F6 select sound card |
| 09:44.53 | Rephlexie | ^ |
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| 09:45.38 | kwll | maybe I am growing frustrated |
| 09:45.46 | kwll | lamp was easier then this |
| 09:45.50 | kwll | with wordpress installed |
| 09:46.10 | kwll | far easier than this |
| 09:46.12 | bazhang | it's a server? |
| 09:46.16 | kwll | yes |
| 09:46.23 | appas | kwll: do you have headphones physically connected (since you said that they work)? some cards have mutually exclusive headphone/speakers, try disconnecting them if you haven't already |
| 09:46.28 | bazhang | why would you need audio then |
| 09:46.37 | kwll | appas^ I have tried that |
| 09:46.45 | appas | bazhang: for the "You have HTTP requests!" audio, of course ;D |
| 09:47.08 | kwll | Its sandbox server |
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| 09:47.27 | kwll | more for play and to learn |
| 09:47.33 | kwll | vs being live |
| 09:47.50 | bazhang | so its in a vm |
| 09:48.02 | kwll | no its debian server |
| 09:48.04 | kwll | problem is |
| 09:48.11 | kwll | all linux distros have the same issue |
| 09:48.20 | bazhang | what is sandbox server then |
| 09:48.22 | kwll | I can use headphones but no speaker |
| 09:48.52 | kwll | sandbox server is a server with full database but I do not allow outside connections |
| 09:48.58 | Rephlexie | kwll, what MB is it? |
| 09:49.33 | kwll | right now we are running Current Jessie with Lamp |
| 09:49.45 | kwll | wordpress floating on that |
| 09:49.54 | appas | maybe MB = MotherBoard, though... |
| 09:49.59 | kwll | ah |
| 09:50.02 | kwll | give me sec |
| 09:50.04 | kwll | custum board |
| 09:50.27 | vvande | hmm I'm using Debian to run my sound - worked out of the box |
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| 09:51.00 | kwll | xps |
| 09:51.05 | kwll | is the best he gave me |
| 09:51.09 | vvande | custom board? .... you soldered it? |
| 09:51.12 | kwll | not my comp just tryin to run it |
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| 09:51.42 | appas | vvande: brings back the times when there were "make your own ISA sound card!" articles in the microcomputer magazine... |
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| 09:52.22 | vvande | I was there, but didn't do that though lol |
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| 09:52.49 | appas | me neither; i stopped half-way even with the printer port IR receiver :/ |
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| 09:53.00 | vvande | I'm still wondering what a custum board refers to. |
| 09:53.47 | vvande | My feeling is that kwll has gotten a little mixed up - what with the long time working on it and all ... |
| 09:54.33 | kwll | lol |
| 09:54.36 | kwll | ok |
| 09:54.42 | kwll | on a xps dell |
| 09:54.46 | kwll | touch screen |
| 09:54.54 | vvande | what! |
| 09:55.09 | vvande | you mean you can't type "alsamixer" in a terminal? |
| 09:55.18 | kwll | :) |
| 09:55.21 | kwll | give me a sec |
| 09:55.32 | vvande | k |
| 09:55.46 | kwll | connection refused |
| 09:55.49 | kwll | give me a sev |
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| 09:56.35 | kwll | what the hell |
| 09:56.51 | kwll | in root term |
| 09:56.57 | kwll | still have to run sudo to run alasmixer |
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| 09:57.39 | vvande | you shouldn't have to |
| 09:57.45 | kwll | alasmixer is running |
| 09:57.51 | kwll | I had to |
| 09:57.52 | vvande | w00t! |
| 09:57.58 | Rephlexie | turn up pcm vol and umute stuff |
| 09:57.58 | kwll | def in root |
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| 09:59.52 | ChrisH | ,v android-tools-adb |
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| 10:02.09 | vvande | kwll: hope you get it working, the other guys here obviously have a grip on this, so Im sure you will. :) |
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| 10:04.36 | kwll | thank you |
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| 11:15.15 | konrados | Morning :) |
| 11:15.54 | konrados | There is a bug in older versions of Apache2 ( https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=791902 ), they already fixed it. but in ubuntu trusty, which I have, and right now can't upgrade, in repos there is the older, buggy version, of Apache. I'd like > 2.4.17 - how can I do this? Somehow manually? |
| 11:15.55 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/791902 in apache2 (closed): «libapache2-mod-php5.postinst: 291: [: !=: unexpected operator»; severity: important; opened: 2015-07-09; last modified: 2015-12-27. |
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| 11:25.49 | petn-randall | konrados: You'll have to ask in #ubuntu, we are not in control what happens in that distro. |
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| 11:27.11 | konrados | petn-randall oh, ppl on #kubuntu have just directed me here:) Thanks, I will try on #ubuntu... |
| 11:27.49 | petn-randall | konrados: Why would they direct you here? You don't run Debian. |
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| 11:30.23 | konrados | But isn't Ubuntu based on Debian? I thought that yes, if it comes to GUI software I must ask on kubuntu/ubuntu, but I thought that about non-gui apps they're right, #debian is the right choice, well actually they suggested #ubuntu but when I asked about debian I saw something like "yes, maybe" :) |
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| 11:31.02 | petn-randall | !ubuntu |
| 11:31.02 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 11:32.03 | petn-randall | konrados: ^^^ Ubuntu pulls snapshots from Debian testing/sid, so by the time they release, those package versions likely don't exist in Debian anymore. They also change a lot of other stuff. So no, it's not very similar to Debian. :) |
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| 11:32.29 | dionysus69 | kind of emergency, gnome stoped recognizing any of my two screens, its a laptop. I cannot use project shorcut and I cannot increase decrease brightness consequently. any ideas what might be wrong? |
| 11:32.44 | petn-randall | dionysus69: Which release? |
| 11:32.53 | konrados | petn-randall I got it thanks again for you time. |
| 11:33.30 | dionysus69 | petn-randall: testing but please dont redicrect me to debian-next I know it exists |
| 11:33.49 | petn-randall | konrados: No problem, have a good one. |
| 11:34.08 | petn-randall | dionysus69: Then you should know by now that it's the right place to ask? |
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| 11:34.22 | no_gravity | Is there a way to get rid of an sshfs mount when the server died? |
| 11:34.27 | petn-randall | dionysus69: Grr ... you should also know not to crosspost, too. |
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| 11:35.35 | dionysus69 | well... I had to crosspost at this point |
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| 11:38.03 | julius_ | hi |
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| 11:39.00 | julius_ | is there a quick way to make pictures from my phone shrink in size(megabye)? a imagemagick resizing script that resizes to 50% of the current pixel, while keeping aspect ratio would be nice. for multiple pictures at once of course |
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| 11:39.16 | petn-randall | dionysus69: No you didn't, you crossposted within the same minute. |
| 11:39.59 | dionysus69 | only after you asked me the distribution branch |
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| 12:02.48 | netzach | Hello |
| 12:03.12 | netzach | I have a script in /etc/update-motd.d/ that respects all the requires, (no extension for run-arts), executable etc |
| 12:03.31 | netzach | when I run it it works properly, yet it seems to never be called |
| 12:03.33 | netzach | what am I doing wrong? |
| 12:03.39 | netzach | are there any logs related to shi? |
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| 12:05.16 | iflema | netzach: logout and back in? |
| 12:06.00 | appas | julius_: do bash magic + imagemagick; something like: for s in `ls *.jpg` do [imagemagick resize $s] |
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| 12:06.07 | abrotman | !motd |
| 12:06.08 | dpkg | The "Message Of The Day" (MOTD) may be shown to users at login time. In Debian 8 "Jessie", motd is entirely under the control of the administrator; edit /etc/motd as desired. For login(1), pam will prepend uname; customise that in /etc/pam.d/login. For ssh, /run/motd.dynamic is used with sysvinit and nothing is used with systemd; customise that in /etc/init.d/motd. See "man 5 motd" http://deb.li/3WLLd |
| 12:07.26 | julius_ | appas, yes...did that: for image in ~/20160909_133*; do convert -resize 50% $image ${image}_half.jpg; done works for my case |
| 12:07.34 | julius_ | still, a right click entry for gnome would be nice |
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| 12:07.44 | iflema | login shell? |
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| 12:09.19 | julius_ | iflema, when you login to a terminal....not gnome or kde |
| 12:09.50 | iflema | see man issue also |
| 12:09.50 | julius_ | press ctrl+alt+f1 to see a terminal....press alt+f7 or alt+f8 to get back to us |
| 12:10.22 | iflema | wat |
| 12:10.24 | iflema | =) |
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| 13:08.16 | netzach | doesn't work @ if |
| 13:08.20 | netzach | doesn't work @ ifleame |
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| 13:08.59 | netzach | abrotman: that information is not entirely correct, debian comes with a moded pam_motd.so that updates the etc/motd from /etc/update-motd.d/ scripts |
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| 13:16.56 | abrotman | moded? |
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| 13:18.04 | petn-randall | modded? As in patched? |
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| 13:18.15 | netzach | yes, that is not the standard one |
| 13:18.18 | jelly | hacked! |
| 13:18.25 | netzach | it says so in the wiki, and it came customized with my vps provider |
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| 13:18.29 | netzach | I just changed it and broke it |
| 13:18.49 | netzach | also stackoverflow says there are bugs related to inconsistencies between the motd systems |
| 13:19.04 | jelly | netzach: does your provider provide you with sources for their changes to the default debian install? |
| 13:19.32 | abrotman | modded, not moded :) |
| 13:19.36 | netzach | jelly: it's not my provider, I am talking about standard changes |
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| 13:20.31 | netzach | https://wiki.debian.org/motd |
| 13:20.37 | netzach | A little less known thing about /etc/motd in Debian and Ubuntu is that pam will actually update your /etc/motd based simply on the scripts in /etc/update-motd.d. So to replicate the above scripts, you could do: |
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| 13:21.49 | jelly | changing the contents of a root owned file from a pam module before dropping privs seems... an interesting design choice |
| 13:21.56 | netzach | also this https://oitibs.com/debian-jessie-dynamic-motd/ talks about remoting /etc/motd and doing ln -s /var/run/motd /etc/motd |
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| 13:23.10 | jelly | and only a tangential mention in pam_motd(8) |
| 13:23.18 | netzach | does /var/run/motd exists or should I create it ? |
| 13:23.49 | jelly | netzach: /var/run ought to exist |
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| 13:23.56 | netzach | I mean /var/run/motd |
| 13:24.21 | netzach | it used to work jelly , but I wanted to customize the scripts cause I didn't like my vps profider defaly logo and stuff so I made my own, then I realized I must have broken something |
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| 13:24.29 | jelly | apparently the module is supposed to update it (and presumably create it) |
| 13:24.30 | netzach | I must havae deleted a file or something not sure |
| 13:24.44 | netzach | I did the ln -s /var/run/motd /etc/motd as recommended |
| 13:24.49 | netzach | IDK why this is needed tho |
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| 13:26.56 | Agiofws | hello |
| 13:27.01 | netzach | This https://elhombrequereventodeinformacion.wordpress.com/2015/04/30/motd-handling-in-debian-jessie-fixed/ seems to say it no longer works in jessie? |
| 13:27.04 | netzach | I don't even know anymore |
| 13:27.14 | jelly | I already have a lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Mar 9 2006 /etc/motd -> /var/run/motd |
| 13:27.24 | jelly | apaprently it's been there for a whiel |
| 13:27.46 | netzach | I am reading this https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/12/msg00368.html |
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| 13:28.00 | netzach | jelly: how can I tell if a file is a link to another? |
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| 13:28.02 | Agiofws | whats the bots name to start a PM session with |
| 13:28.06 | Agiofws | dpkg |
| 13:28.09 | Agiofws | ? |
| 13:28.27 | petn-randall | Agiofws: There are severals bots, what do you want to do? |
| 13:28.31 | petn-randall | !bot |
| 13:28.31 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 13:28.51 | netzach | /etc/motd: broken symbolic link to /var/run/motd @ jelly |
| 13:29.00 | netzach | do I need to creat /etd/motd @ jelly ? thank you |
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| 13:44.03 | Agiofws | what kernel do you think i should use for http://codepad.org/9Ewsagb5 should i install a bdo kernel? i'm currently in jessies default 3.16 kernel |
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| 13:48.22 | xrogaan | hello, I'm trying to compile the proper drivers for my portable (Fujitsu Esprimo). The card is `[SiS] 771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter'. |
| 13:48.31 | xrogaan | Apparently, I need this one https://gitorious.org/xf86-video-sis671/sis-671-fix/ |
| 13:48.51 | xrogaan | And sadly, I went to stretch before trying this solution. |
| 13:49.29 | xrogaan | strech xserver-xorg-dev package do not have the vidmodeproc.h header required |
| 13:51.14 | xrogaan | I got myself into an impasse it seems. |
| 13:51.57 | missmbob | ask the testing folks |
| 13:52.00 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 13:52.00 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:52.30 | xrogaan | ah, thanks |
| 13:52.37 | xrogaan | oftc it is then :) |
| 13:55.54 | petn-randall | Agiofws: Is there anything that doesn't work right now and might work with a newer kernel? Otherwise I'd just stick with the stock one. |
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| 14:08.28 | _rubik | Hey guys. Is can I cover a Sun JDK6 dependency with openjdk6? |
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| 14:10.20 | appas | _rubik: not necessarily, no :( |
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| 14:13.57 | Agiofws | petn-randall, can i convert to stretch just by editing the repos |
| 14:14.25 | missmbob | Agiofws: sure. ask the testing people how |
| 14:14.28 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 14:14.29 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:15.52 | klutt | Hi. I'm trying to install Mysql Workbench v 6.3.7, but with no luck. Anyone who has a solution? The latest available version in stretch is 6.3.4, and the same goes for unstable and experimental. I tried downloading the apt-file from Oracle, but with no luck. I have also tried compiling it, but it did not work. |
| 14:16.12 | missmbob | klutt: see the debian next note the bot just pasted |
| 14:16.48 | klutt | Ups, sorry. I tried to join the debian-next, but I must have made something wrong. |
| 14:17.00 | missmbob | klutt: read the entire thing. it's not on freenode. it's on OFTC |
| 14:17.13 | klutt | Ah :) |
| 14:17.29 | klutt | Sorry |
| 14:17.29 | Agiofws | missmbob, is there any kind of support for people that install there own compiled kernel from kernel.org and what debian release would be appropriate for that? |
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| 14:17.58 | missmbob | Agiofws: sure. as long as you follow the handbook. and whichever debian release you're running is where you should ask |
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| 14:18.12 | _rubik | appas: Gahh this is killing me. Where exactly should I get Sun JDK 6 from. I'm really stuck. |
| 14:18.15 | Agiofws | missmbob, debians hand book? |
| 14:18.21 | missmbob | Agiofws: here. https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package |
| 14:18.23 | Agiofws | or linus's? |
| 14:18.29 | missmbob | Agiofws: debian's |
| 14:18.45 | Agiofws | missmbob, not ready binaries though |
| 14:18.53 | Agiofws | make config etc... |
| 14:19.04 | missmbob | Agiofws: yeah, that's what the handbook walks you through |
| 14:19.10 | missmbob | Agiofws: just read it |
| 14:20.39 | Agiofws | thank you |
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| 14:21.14 | Agiofws | maybe i should of tried that out concerning the problem with my hosts onbiard sound card |
| 14:21.20 | bjw_ | anyone using kpatch? |
| 14:21.26 | bjw_ | or used kpatch |
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| 14:21.52 | Agiofws | tried compiling alsa from source got an error and stopped there |
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| 14:22.19 | somiaj | Agiofws: have you tried the kernel from jessie-backports. For the most part you shoudln't have to compile your own kernel or alsa to get a sound card working. |
| 14:22.29 | missmbob | somiaj: yes. this has been days in the making |
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| 14:23.42 | Agiofws | yeah i did that even tried to backport libasound2 but it was too depending on other packages that were supposed to be backported untill tar was also supposed to be backported and them i stopped |
| 14:23.47 | bjw_ | aboman: what about you? |
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| 14:24.47 | Agiofws | somehow i still believe i should have compiled latest alsa or atleast if i could have againt the bdo kernel 4.16 or 6 i dont remember |
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| 14:25.38 | somiaj | Agiofws: what sound card chipset do you have? |
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| 14:26.02 | bjw_ | ok, maybe later someone will know |
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| 14:27.35 | Agiofws | h110 mobo very new |
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| 14:28.07 | petn-randall | Agiofws: There's no reason to switch to stretch unless you 1) know enough about Debian to be able to fix your problems 2) want to actively beta test the upcoming release and report bugs. |
| 14:28.19 | Agiofws | somiaj, http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H110M-DVSD3/ |
| 14:28.34 | petn-randall | Agiofws: If you just want a newer kernel you can simply grab one from jessie-backports. |
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| 14:28.37 | somiaj | Agiofws: that isn't the chipset of the sound card. |
| 14:28.49 | missmbob | petn-randall: he has |
| 14:28.52 | Agiofws | but would be woth a try or a live cd to see if the sound card would be ok ... |
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| 14:29.19 | Agiofws | acl887 skylake chipset ? |
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| 14:30.37 | Agiofws | alc887 realtek |
| 14:31.23 | dionysus69 | in gnome details, graphics is not showing totally. I reinstalled xserver-xorg-video-intel package but still nothing |
| 14:31.46 | calher | Does anybody have any info on getting the Steam controller working on Jessie? |
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| 14:33.29 | Agiofws | gnome details ? |
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| 14:34.29 | Agiofws | whats your kernel or are you on backports non-free? |
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| 14:34.41 | pthreat | what is the package name for C standar library documentation i.e man strlen |
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| 14:39.55 | hanshenrik_ | is there something in debian to scedule tasks to be run at a later time? eg, i want something to be executed once, in 30 minutes? |
| 14:40.06 | somiaj | cron |
| 14:40.13 | somiaj | oh you just want it run once, not repeating? |
| 14:40.14 | hanshenrik_ | can i tell cron to just do something once? |
| 14:40.16 | hanshenrik_ | yeah |
| 14:40.25 | somiaj | there is a program that runs things just once, but I can't seem to recall its name. |
| 14:40.47 | somiaj | look at 'at', that might be it |
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| 14:41.50 | hanshenrik_ | sure you're not thinking of the microsoft windows program 'at', which does exactly that? |
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| 14:42.02 | somiaj | hanshenrik_: man at, it is in linux too |
| 14:42.12 | hanshenrik_ | oh cool, thanks. i wonder which came first |
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| 14:58.42 | implijer | hey |
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| 14:59.02 | implijer | from bash, how can I check if /var/lib/dpkg/lock is actually locked or not ? |
| 14:59.07 | implijer | The file seem always to be there |
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| 15:01.02 | rany | implijer: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 15:01.08 | rany | implijer: sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
| 15:01.30 | rany | implijer: oh dpkg |
| 15:01.41 | rany | implijer: let me test it on my vm again :) |
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| 15:02.31 | rany | implijer: that worked for me: |
| 15:02.31 | rany | sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 15:02.32 | implijer | I want to check if it is active rany, not obliterate |
| 15:02.32 | rany | :) |
| 15:03.01 | implijer | I know you can delete it to force the lock |
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| 15:03.58 | rany | implijer: hmm, i dont know |
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| 15:04.20 | rany | implijer: ill try to playing w/ the if statement a bit :) |
| 15:04.25 | rany | play* |
| 15:04.49 | rany | implijer: found a way! |
| 15:05.00 | rany | implijer: do you want me to PM it to you? |
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| 15:05.28 | implijer | you are allowed to rany |
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| 15:06.44 | rany | implijer: rany.pw/check_if_dpkg_is_locked.sh |
| 15:07.16 | rany | implijer: one moment |
| 15:07.28 | implijer | ... You can just explain, too |
| 15:07.42 | implijer | I just found a solution implying one line of lsof, guess it'll do |
| 15:08.34 | implijer | "lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock" then check the exit status |
| 15:08.34 | rany | implijer: that is what i was thinking :) |
| 15:08.56 | rany | implijer: i wanted to use if but then realised lsof is faster :) |
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| 15:17.45 | Silent | Hello :) |
| 15:18.12 | Silent | I have just installed Debian on my HP ProBook 4540s, and am looking for ways to save battery power. What are some things for me to try? |
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| 15:19.58 | Penix | Silent: powertop |
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| 15:23.52 | Silent | Penix: Thanks. How much can it usually improve battery performance? |
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| 15:31.08 | BuildTheRobots | good afternoon. Could anyone advise on how to disable the root password prompt when doing a diskcheck on boot? It's a box that doesn't easily have a monitor attached and I'd rather it just got back to a login prompt without interaction when things went vaguely wrong :) |
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| 15:43.38 | PadawanLearner | May the source be with you |
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| 15:52.06 | Silent | Hello everyone |
| 15:52.34 | Silent | I am trying to configure the ATI proprietary drivers and I just ran "aticonfig --initial", however my ATI GPU is not detected still |
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| 15:54.35 | jim | Silent, lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 15:54.43 | jim | Silent, any output? |
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| 15:55.24 | Silent_ | Hello |
| 15:55.32 | Silent_ | One second, I will also post the guides I was following |
| 15:55.43 | Silent_ | https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#configure |
| 15:56.18 | Silent_ | jim: Both GPUs are shown using lspci |
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| 15:56.43 | Silent_ | Both as in Intel i915 and the ATI GPU |
| 15:56.45 | jim | ok, so there is output from that command? two lines? |
| 15:57.02 | towo` | that's enduro |
| 15:57.19 | towo` | so you woin't need the propritary driver |
| 15:57.28 | towo` | and it will not work |
| 15:57.57 | towo` | it's equal to optimus, the amd gpu is not connected to any display |
| 15:58.04 | jim | Silent_, are you focused on this conversation? |
| 15:58.20 | towo` | you can use dri offloading to use the amd gpu for rendering stuff |
| 15:58.24 | Silent_ | jim: http://paste.debian.net/816092/ |
| 15:58.51 | Silent_ | jim: I am, I was just copying the output to pastebin. Sorry |
| 15:59.09 | jim | np |
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| 15:59.24 | jim | still need coffee, but before that... |
| 15:59.31 | Silent_ | twisted`: Are you referring to the methon described here: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Identification |
| 15:59.32 | jim | , pciid [1002:6841] |
| 15:59.33 | judd | [1002:6841] is 'Thames [Radeon HD 7550M/7570M/7650M]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6841 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 16:00.25 | Silent_ | Output of xranrd --listproviders: http://paste.debian.net/816093/ |
| 16:00.27 | jim | so udd thinks radeon |
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| 16:00.58 | jim | did you happen to try radeon? or which driver? |
| 16:02.02 | Silent_ | I used the package fglrx-driver |
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| 16:03.36 | jim | did it build and install a package? |
| 16:03.49 | Silent_ | It did |
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| 16:04.55 | DammitJim | is it safe to delete /var/apt/cache files? |
| 16:05.10 | DammitJim | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.22 | jim | DammitJim, just apt-get clean |
| 16:05.25 | jelly | DammitJim: there's even a command for that: apt-get clean |
| 16:05.38 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Yeah, do the clean command instead of manually deleting. |
| 16:05.43 | DammitJim | oh wow |
| 16:06.05 | jhutchins | DammitJim: I'm not sure it actually makes any differerce, but keep the robots happy. |
| 16:06.14 | DammitJim | thanks guys |
| 16:06.15 | random_numbers | So, what should I do to get wget to download images when the code for the image is something along the lines <meta property="og:image" content="http://example.com/image.jpg"> ? |
| 16:06.22 | DammitJim | easy and simple... my root partition was starting to get a little full |
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| 16:07.02 | jhutchins | DammitJim: See, you had to go and partition it, now you have space on the wrong partition. |
| 16:07.03 | jim | welcome... it keeps a coupla dirs or somethign in that dir, which you might have otherwise removed |
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| 16:09.07 | Silent_ | I wonder if this whole deal is even worth the trouble |
| 16:09.26 | Silent_ | powertop doesn't work with the currently isntalled ati drivers so I want to get the proprietary ones |
| 16:09.42 | Silent_ | All because I want more than 60 minutes battery life |
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| 16:11.04 | towo` | then deactivate the amd gpu in your bios |
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| 16:11.30 | Silent | Hmm I did not think of that |
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| 16:14.48 | Silent | I don't see an option |
| 16:15.01 | Silent | Anyway I would much rather just make it work as it sould than disable it |
| 16:15.21 | towo` | make it work as it should ==> install windows |
| 16:15.49 | towo` | or read the debian wiki about hybrid graphics intel <==> ati |
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| 16:16.44 | Silent | towo`: I came here to troubleshoot issues with the second method :) |
| 16:17.08 | towo` | the second method does not say, install fglrx |
| 16:17.19 | towo` | because it would not work |
| 16:17.22 | Silent__ | I read the wiki article.. |
| 16:17.38 | towo` | Silent__, no, you read the article about install the amd blob |
| 16:17.47 | Silent__ | https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Identification |
| 16:17.51 | Silent__ | This too |
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| 16:18.01 | towo` | but this article is for systems, which have only 1 gpu |
| 16:18.02 | Silent__ | I got the two mxied together, I thought the other was part of this one |
| 16:18.25 | iwkse | hi, I have a problem with a netbook, samsung n150. I'm using it with keyboard/mouse usb and I have a very annoying behaviour. The power goes off after a few secs. For the mouse, I have to click to see the mouse led switching on again. I checked the power/level of the device and it's set to auto. I force it to be on (so it's skipped) and it seems to work for a bit, but again this value is changed back to auto. Any hint? |
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| 16:18.33 | Silent__ | There is also a section about hybrid graphics |
| 16:18.40 | towo` | and again, if you can't disable the intel gpu, you can't use fglrx |
| 16:19.04 | iwkse | by the way, this behavior is the same, if I run with battery or AC cable |
| 16:19.08 | random_numbers | No idea about wget? |
| 16:19.34 | towo` | random_numbers, wget http://example.com/image.jpg? |
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| 16:22.55 | random_numbers | towo`: Yeah, but I want it to work with `wget -kcr -np -p http://example.com/article-01.html`. |
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| 16:23.49 | iwkse_ | hi, I have a problem with a netbook, samsung n150. I'm using it with keyboard/mouse usb and I have a very annoying behaviour. The power goes off after a few secs. For the mouse, I have to click to see the mouse led switching on again. I checked the power/level of the device andhi, I have a problem with a netbook, samsung n150. I'm using it with keyboard/mouse usb and I have a very annoying behaviour. The power goes off af |
| 16:23.49 | iwkse_ | ter a few secs. For the mouse, I have to click to see the mouse led switching on again. I checked the power/level of the device and it's set to auto. I force it to be on (so it's skipped) and it seems to work for a bit, but again this value is changed back to auto. Any hint? it's set to auto. I force it to be on (so it's skipped) and it seems to work for a bit, but again this value is changed back to auto. Any hint? |
| 16:24.07 | random_numbers | ? |
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| 16:33.21 | speciality | how can i mount your /dev/shm to a dir that I want to set as chroot dir? |
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| 16:36.44 | jhutchins | iwkse: My system was doing that for a while. I ended up switching ports, I think the USB controller had gone bad. |
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| 16:39.16 | iwkse | jhutchins, I see |
| 16:39.30 | iwkse | jhutchins, so probably it's a hardware issue |
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| 16:40.32 | iwkse | jhutchins, I have it on all ports though |
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| 16:42.17 | queso | When the next stable version of Debian is released, will Jessie come under the "LTS" label as Squeeze and Wheezy have? |
| 16:42.38 | jelly | speciality: don't do that, mount a whole new tmpfs or ramfs instead |
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| 16:43.35 | jelly | speciality: man 8 mount, and read about tmpfs |
| 16:44.15 | jelly | queso: yes, there are plans for jessie lts one year after stretch is released |
| 16:44.17 | speciality | ok |
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| 16:44.59 | queso | jelly: Thank you. :) |
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| 16:46.16 | jhutchins | iwkse: Which release, which kernel? |
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| 16:47.36 | Agiofws | hello |
| 16:48.17 | iwkse | jhutchins, I've tried with 3.2 and 4.7, same |
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| 16:48.35 | iwkse | jhutchins, release is mainly sid |
| 16:48.55 | jhutchins | iwkse: I'm currently running kernel 4.4.0-0.bpo.1-686 and don't have that problem, but I have six controllers on my motherboard. |
| 16:49.10 | iwkse | jhutchins, I will try this one |
| 16:49.23 | iwkse | jhutchins, it's available on ports? |
| 16:49.45 | jhutchins | iwkse: Available? |
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| 16:50.04 | iwkse | jhutchins, I see bpo, I guess it's a package from backports |
| 16:50.18 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 16:50.19 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1+s1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2) |
| 16:50.35 | jhutchins | Not even the current one, apparently. |
| 16:50.40 | iwkse | mm |
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| 16:51.34 | jhutchins | I need to rebuild this to 64b. |
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| 16:53.30 | iwkse | jhutchins, but with the current kernel, you have some issues with some ports? |
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| 16:55.18 | jhutchins | iwkse: I don't know. I juggled ports until it worked, haven't gone back and tested them all. |
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| 16:56.02 | iwkse | jhutchins, I see |
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| 16:57.28 | jhutchins | iwkse: Strange that it was exactly the same behavior though. |
| 16:57.43 | jhutchins | iwkse: This was six months ago or so. |
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| 16:58.17 | iwkse | jhutchins, mm yes |
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| 17:23.05 | speciality | jelly, How about /dev/shm/temp to /home/USER/jail/temp |
| 17:23.06 | speciality | ? |
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| 17:26.33 | AlexPortable | If I add an @reboot htop to crontab -e, and then change /bin/bash into /bin/nologin in passwd, will it still work? |
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| 17:27.43 | greycat | crontab doesn't care about the user's shell AFAIK |
| 17:27.53 | AlexPortable | okay |
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| 17:30.31 | jelly | speciality: why would you need that? |
| 17:30.38 | AlexPortable | anyone can confirm? |
| 17:30.40 | jelly | !goal |
| 17:30.40 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 17:31.01 | greycat | AlexPortable: 'twould be faster for you to just test it |
| 17:31.07 | AlexPortable | dont have a test server here |
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| 17:31.52 | jelly | speciality: /dev/shm is not a place to put temporary files, it has a specific purpose to serve as a backend for Linux implementation of System V compatible shared memory APIs |
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| 17:32.29 | x86iac | i think crontab does care about the shell - it has caused problems when running scripts without it |
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| 17:33.05 | x86iac | and include the PATH too |
| 17:33.18 | greycat | crontab(5) describes how SHELL and PATH are used |
| 17:33.19 | AlexPortable | okay |
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| 17:33.45 | jelly | x86iac: it won't even invoke the user's shell unless it detects the job specification contains shell special characters |
| 17:33.56 | speciality | jelly, I want to use it as tmp-dir for openvpn as I am using --auth-user-pass-verify via-file which writes a file and then deletes it when auth is done, so openvpn manual suggests us to put tmp-dir as /dev/shm so that file does not even touch the disk and when we use chroot dir, the tmp-dir has to be inside chroot |
| 17:34.11 | greycat | jelly: and even then, it uses /bin/sh unless you override that with SHELL= in the crontab itself |
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| 17:35.08 | jelly | speciality: a tmpfs filesystem may touch the disk and be swapped out. Use "ramfs" if you need it NEVER go to disk |
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| 17:35.37 | x86iac | and what if the script contains the 'shell special characters' |
| 17:35.42 | jelly | greycat: ah, I forgot about that. Still it's all in the man page you mentioned already. |
| 17:35.56 | jelly | x86iac: it can contain bananas, doesn't matter |
| 17:36.20 | x86iac | it doesn't look in the script - thus your statment doesn't matter |
| 17:36.36 | jelly | that's what I said, yes |
| 17:36.48 | x86iac | if you don't want problems use SHELL=/bin/bash |
| 17:36.52 | speciality | jelly, Ok thanks |
| 17:36.58 | jelly | blinks |
| 17:37.28 | jelly | x86iac: that's a very penguiny approach |
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| 17:37.42 | greycat | I would suggest simply not using bashisms in your crontab file. |
| 17:37.58 | greycat | If your crontab line needs that much complexity, write it in a script and call the script from the crontab. |
| 17:38.09 | jelly | ^^ |
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| 17:42.17 | speciality | tmpfs /mnt/ramdisk ramfs nodev,nosuid,noexec,nodiratime,size=32M 0 0 |
| 17:42.20 | speciality | jelly, ^ |
| 17:42.23 | speciality | is this good? |
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| 17:43.29 | jim | I darken your doorstep once again... this time, I need some help with the lap's x display (it;s an asus q504ua, pciid 8086:1916) and an x log from trying to run Xorg reads... http://termbin.com/qvas |
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| 17:44.01 | jim | it's a skylake thing |
| 17:44.33 | jelly | speciality: looks about right. Might want to replace that first "tmpfs" with "ramfs" or "jellyiscool" to reduce confusion |
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| 17:45.07 | speciality | jelly, Do you think 32M is enough for temp files? |
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| 17:45.33 | jelly | speciality: I don't know how many and how large your temp files are going to be |
| 17:45.51 | x86iac | 32MB osm |
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| 17:46.28 | speciality | jelly, temp-files = USERNAME and PASSWORD :] |
| 17:46.29 | greycat | Totally depends on what things you run. Back in the Days of Olde (say, 5 years ago) web browsers just LOOOVED to write all of their download-in-progress files in /tmp even when they wanted the file ultimately to end up in a totally different file system. |
| 17:47.10 | jelly | !xorg skylake |
| 17:47.10 | dpkg | Enable <jessie-backports> with included <non-free sources>. apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-misc-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-intel libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 17:47.15 | jelly | jim: ^^ |
| 17:47.47 | jim | ok |
| 17:47.54 | jelly | jim: you know how to /msg dpkg jessie-backports, and so on, right? |
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| 17:49.24 | jelly | jim: and the factoid is kind of assuming you're running 64bit amd64 arch |
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| 17:52.00 | jim | got backports enabled, and already running a 4.6.0-rt from backports, |
| 17:52.17 | speciality | jelly, u sure ramfs is safer version of tmpfs ? |
| 17:52.20 | jim | I installed the firmware package, |
| 17:52.22 | greycat | dpkg, xorg skylake =~ s/amd64/"$(dpkg --print-architecture)"/ |
| 17:52.23 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 17:53.10 | jelly | greycat: not good, there's no linux-image-i386 package |
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| 17:53.36 | jim | dpkg --print-architecture reads amd64 |
| 17:53.36 | dpkg | jim: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 17:53.45 | greycat | Bah. |
| 17:53.52 | jelly | greycat: you could do the weird sed present in eg. «nvidia dkms» |
| 17:54.00 | greycat | dpkg, xorg skylake =~ s/"$(dpkg --print-architecture)"/amd64/ |
| 17:54.01 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 17:54.10 | jim | it's thinner but otherwise larger |
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| 17:54.36 | jelly | if if they're using that new an intel chipset, why the fuck would they run 32bit userspace |
| 17:54.43 | jelly | but* if |
| 17:54.46 | no_gravity | Is there anything wrong with just unplugging a wifi usb stick? Should I somehow unmount it first? |
| 17:55.11 | jim | you can unplug it |
| 17:55.17 | jelly | no_gravity: not really, you can disable wifi for a bit if you really want to |
| 17:55.39 | no_gravity | jelly: ok, thanks |
| 17:55.39 | greycat | NICs are not mounted. Only file systems are. |
| 17:55.54 | no_gravity | greycat: I know but I could not think of a better term. |
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| 17:56.34 | jim | I tried Xorg again, this time got http://termbin.com/bad0 |
| 17:56.58 | petn-randall | no_gravity: Since it's USB everything should (and AFAIK does) cope with your wifi USB being unplugged without warning. It's just buffered filesystems on USB sticks that don't cope with it well. |
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| 17:57.47 | jelly | jim: you did not get all the stuff from jessie-backports that factoid asked you to, yet |
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| 17:58.03 | jelly | video-intel says it's "module version = 2.21.15 " |
| 17:58.11 | jelly | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 17:58.12 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917+git20160522-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20160706-1; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20160706-1 |
| 17:58.27 | jim | oops, |
| 17:59.03 | jelly | kernel, firmware, video-intel, mesa(dri) |
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| 18:00.39 | jelly | ubuntu has a nice way to get an upgraded xorg stack even for LTS versions, makes things a lot simpler there |
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| 18:01.39 | no_gravity | How can I figure out which wifi driver I am currently using? |
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| 18:04.07 | jelly | no idea, maybe |
| 18:04.11 | jelly | !what's my wireless |
| 18:04.12 | dpkg | Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>. |
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| 18:04.42 | jim | you can also pour thru output of lsmod |
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| 18:08.49 | jim | this time it went to a black screen (not gray like blank x displays usually are), and couldn't see mouse pointer move... x log http://termbin.com/59ozm |
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| 18:09.37 | Time-Warp | anyone remember the command to pipe music from youtube to recordmydesktop |
| 18:09.41 | Time-Warp | LOL |
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| 18:09.51 | jim | hmm. maybe that's http://termbin.com/5ozm |
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| 18:10.08 | jim | yeah |
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| 18:11.16 | no_gravity | looks like the driver is called "wl". |
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| 18:11.38 | jim | same as mine, iwlwifi |
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| 18:12.06 | emorris | Hi, I've been trying to use fancontrol to control some noisy fans, and it works, except the relevant pwmon device randomly changes between hwmon0 and hwmon2. I'm guessing this is the order the drivers are loaded: the one I want uses amd1026, and the other 2 k8temp. Any ideas of how I could fix the order? |
| 18:12.39 | no_gravity | The wifi on this machine keeps freezing. I wonder how to fix it. |
| 18:14.03 | jelly | jim: log suggests X mostly started, detected the screen, just AIGLX failed |
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| 18:14.11 | Time-Warp | no_gravity: check dmesg |
| 18:14.41 | no_gravity | Time-Warp: Will do when it freezes again. |
| 18:14.41 | dionysus69 | can anyone please help me in debian next channel :D :S |
| 18:14.56 | jelly | jim: which DE are you using, or how are you starting X if no DE? |
| 18:15.08 | dionysus69 | or if not, can anyone tell me how I can fully remove gnome shell and then reinstall? without loosing config files |
| 18:15.17 | dionysus69 | basically without touching home idr |
| 18:15.35 | Time-Warp | no_gravity: i bet when it freezes you will see all kinds of clues in dmesg |
| 18:15.42 | jelly | dionysus69: removing packages does not touch home dirs. |
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| 18:16.03 | jelly | dionysus69: purging packages also does not touch home dirs |
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| 18:16.22 | dionysus69 | hmm ok so I will purge "gnome-shell", is that it? |
| 18:16.37 | dionysus69 | and then use tasksel to reinstall? |
| 18:16.55 | no_gravity | Time-Warp: We will see :) |
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| 18:17.11 | jelly | dionysus69: don't know about that, but I suspect you'll have to purge a lot more than that. |
| 18:17.29 | Time-Warp | no_gravity: lol |
| 18:17.52 | dionysus69 | jelly: ok thanks anyways |
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| 18:18.24 | Time-Warp | no_gravity: when it does freese can you privmsg me. on a BNC so im always online. that wifi issue has my attn :D |
| 18:18.39 | no_gravity | Time-Warp: There are several reports about this on the net. So far, either there is no solution or the solution does not work here. |
| 18:18.48 | no_gravity | Time-Warp: Here is an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/3j3koo/new_xps_13_9343_2015_wifi_issues/ |
| 18:18.53 | Time-Warp | no_gravity: are you using wicd ? |
| 18:18.59 | no_gravity | Time-Warp: What is wicd? |
| 18:19.22 | Time-Warp | no_gravity: network manager |
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| 18:19.43 | no_gravity | Time-Warp: Yes |
| 18:19.52 | Time-Warp | nice |
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| 18:20.07 | Time-Warp | checking out that link now |
| 18:20.14 | jelly | emorris: put both the drivers in /etc/modules, maybe |
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| 18:20.40 | queso | When doing replication, is it required to use the same version of an operating system between the master and the slave? We'd like to upgrade our slave to Debian Jessie while keeping the master (temporarily) on Wheezy. |
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| 18:21.23 | emorris | jelly, aha, only one of them is in there, I'll give putting the other in a shot |
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| 18:21.56 | queso | (we will be on the same version of Postgres) |
| 18:21.59 | Time-Warp | no_gravity: yea defently dmesg |
| 18:22.02 | Time-Warp | lol |
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| 18:22.14 | queso | Oops, sorry, should be in #postgresql :( |
| 18:22.15 | no_gravity | Time-Warp: ok! |
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| 18:22.54 | no_gravity | Time-Warp: What is a BNC? |
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| 18:23.24 | Time-Warp | no_gravity: irc running on a remote server. and anytime im at starbucks i can just login and check out whats going on |
| 18:23.29 | Time-Warp | lol |
| 18:23.53 | no_gravity | Time-Warp: I see! |
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| 18:25.07 | emorris | jelly, that seems to have fixed it, thanks! :-) |
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| 18:26.12 | jim | jelly, as yet I've installed no x components at all except for xorg, (so starting it with "Xorg") partly because I want to troubleshoot this part first and partly because I haven't quite decided which de (or whatever) yet |
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| 18:31.29 | GJdan | Getting a weird error when I do apt-get update... not sure what's going on... http://sprunge.us/iLeV |
| 18:31.40 | GJdan | this is for a server in a fairly remote community |
| 18:32.01 | jelly | jim: did you install all the packages from the factoid, including libgl1-mesa-dri? |
| 18:32.24 | jim | yes |
| 18:32.41 | petn-randall | GJdan: Looks like something inbetween is dropping data. Do you have a web proxy in between? Does it persist when you run 'apt-get update' a second time? |
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| 18:33.21 | jim | first I forgot the -t jessie-backports, it said everything's current, then added it, and upgraded those packages |
| 18:33.48 | jim | it installed like 3 packages... |
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| 18:34.07 | jim | 5 |
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| 18:34.22 | pffffffft | hi, this is really urgent! Is there an op in here?! |
| 18:34.27 | jelly | jim: not sure where to go from here, except stretch |
| 18:34.37 | jelly | pffffffft: no, they're all in #debian-ops |
| 18:34.53 | jim | pffffffft, I'm an op, but not of this earth... |
| 18:35.03 | pffffffft | jim: this is what I think about your rules |
| 18:35.07 | pffffffft | spits on the ground |
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| 18:35.10 | pffffffft | fuck you jim |
| 18:35.12 | pffffffft | walks away |
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| 18:35.28 | jelly | that went well! |
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| 18:35.37 | jim | wow, what brought that on? |
| 18:35.49 | jelly | someone doesn't like you |
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| 18:36.13 | jim | oh well... he can either talk to me or not |
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| 18:37.34 | pffffffft | wait.. jim isn't even an op in here |
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| 18:37.44 | `Kevin | :) |
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| 18:37.57 | rysiek|pl | grabs popcorn |
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| 18:38.56 | Silent | Cinnamon crashes after performing the steps on https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Identification |
| 18:39.01 | Silent | Can someone please help me? |
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| 18:39.19 | Silent | LightDM loads fine so I assume it's not an Xorg issue |
| 18:39.25 | jelly | jim: if you haven't even installed anything important, you can go try stretch I guess |
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| 18:39.50 | jelly | with all the consequences that using testing gets you |
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| 18:40.33 | GJdan | petn-randall: It does it everytime, but sometimes it complains about one other repo url |
| 18:41.04 | `Kevin | Silent: what video card do you have? |
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| 18:42.14 | jim | jelly, is it that everything else I need is in stretch / jessie-backports? if the x server started (almost you say? what part didn't start?) |
| 18:42.37 | Silent | `Kevin: ATI Radeon HD 7550M / 7570M / 7650M |
| 18:43.23 | `Kevin | i would suggest the fglrx driver then if you didnt go that route |
| 18:43.31 | `Kevin | https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 18:43.46 | jelly | jim: testing will get you a newer X server and libs, not just the drivers |
| 18:43.56 | `Kevin | and i only suggest this if that previous Ati page is indeed what ended up breaking Cinnamon |
| 18:44.41 | jelly | jim: AIGLX failed |
| 18:44.52 | Silent | `Kevin: I am looking to get the Intel card to work as well |
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| 18:45.06 | Silent | Also, how do I make sure that this is indeed what caused the breakage? Where are cinnamon's logs? |
| 18:46.35 | jim | is that a radeon thing? |
| 18:46.39 | jim | aiglx |
| 18:46.51 | `Kevin | I do not use cinnamon and havent, you will need to inspect your logs for entries in /var/log/ perhaps Xorg.log syslog messages kernel |
| 18:47.10 | `Kevin | those should steer you in the right direction |
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| 18:47.56 | jim | is xserver-xorg in backports... hmm let's see |
| 18:48.09 | Silent | `Kevin: The odd thing is that there are no Xorg errors... Also LightDM works as it should |
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| 18:48.22 | `Kevin | Silent: does glxgears work? |
| 18:48.53 | Silent | `Kevin: No, it doesnt |
| 18:49.06 | Silent | I am only able to access the system using a terminal |
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| 18:49.55 | jelly | jim: the package is called "xserver-xorg-core" and there's very little chance it would be in backports; huge ABI changes are unlikely to get in backports |
| 18:50.11 | Sys0p1791 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.27 | Vonor | hi folks. I'm trying to prepare a usb key with the netinst image, as suggested in the preflight section of https://github.com/jimdigriz/debian-mssp4. I got the firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso and dd'ed it to the usb key. however, my surface ignores it. the partition table of the key looks good, however. |
| 18:50.29 | `Kevin | Sys0p1791: :( |
| 18:50.42 | Vonor | Sys0p1791, i suggest to change your nickserv password quickly :) |
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| 18:50.52 | Silent | Ahh been there done that |
| 18:50.58 | Silent | lol |
| 18:51.09 | `Kevin | Silent: what happens if you run cinnamon by hand |
| 18:51.17 | `Kevin | does it output any useful logs |
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| 18:52.33 | Silent | `Kevin: Nothing much, just unable to open X display |
| 18:52.59 | jim | Sys0p1791, try that again (and don't worry, exposing that should do no harm) |
| 18:53.14 | jim | ok |
| 18:53.32 | jim | maybe I'm going to stretch... |
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| 18:56.49 | lf941 | Is it possible to provide apt a list of packages to install? |
| 18:57.23 | greycat | apt-get install your list |
| 18:57.32 | lf941 | Whenever I install debian, I always end up downloading the same packages. |
| 18:57.34 | lf941 | Ah |
| 18:57.39 | lf941 | So I guess just use cat and xargs then |
| 18:57.51 | greycat | You mean from a file one-per-line? You don't need cat. |
| 18:58.04 | jim | either on the command line, or in a file with something like apt-get install $(cat thatfile) |
| 18:58.05 | lf941 | Yeah. |
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| 18:58.18 | lf941 | greycat: What can I do |
| 18:58.18 | greycat | debian package names have a very strict format that means xargs CAN BE USED (normally this would be a BAD idea) |
| 18:58.25 | greycat | xargs apt-get install < your-file.txt |
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| 18:58.35 | lf941 | Oh great |
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| 18:58.55 | lf941 | Yeah because package names don't contain spaces, right? |
| 18:59.02 | greycat | With arbitrary input, and *especially* with filenames, don't use xargs this way. |
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| 18:59.27 | greycat | Spaces, single quotes and double quotes all break xargs. |
| 19:00.29 | Vonor | got it solved. the surface wouldn't boot the key until i disabled boot from internal storage completely |
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| 19:03.19 | jelly | lf941: you might want to read: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 19:06.56 | QF | lf941: I am pretty sure that you can just create a shell script with the appropriate commands. I also think you can install multiples just by typing them in EX $sudo apt-get install mc links php5 or what ever and it will execute that. You could save it to a text file without formating and just run $bash install where install is the name of the script file. I may be wrong it has been a while since I used debian. |
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| 19:12.01 | _rubik | Ok this is seriously getting annoying. Is there no where where I can find the Sun JDK 6 source? |
| 19:13.12 | jim | for some reason my wireless is more stable... I'm still connected after about an hour... before, I couldn't stay connected longer than about 5 mins... now that that's the case, I'll go ahead and upgrade to stretch |
| 19:13.19 | greycat | _rubik: ask #java? |
| 19:13.24 | greycat | err ##java |
| 19:13.50 | lf941 | Well, that's not bad. Only 6 packages. |
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| 19:14.11 | lf941 | Of course 'mate-desktop-environment' pulls in a lot of common stuff I'd use occasionally. |
| 19:14.41 | jim | one nagging question... why would apt complain about apt-transport-https being missing if no sources referred to a source using https? |
| 19:14.55 | lf941 | Well there is a source then |
| 19:15.14 | lf941 | I needed https transport the other week to bypass http MITM caused by my ISP |
| 19:15.23 | QF | _rubik: isnt Sun and oracle java closed source? I thought only openjdk was open source. |
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| 19:16.20 | jim | anyway... here I go... |
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| 19:17.31 | lf941 | jim you can get the transport with http access |
| 19:17.47 | lf941 | I was going to write up an article about how you can bootstrap yourself without needing http at all |
| 19:17.57 | lf941 | you just have to memorize 1 url |
| 19:18.02 | lf941 | cloudfront.debian.net |
| 19:18.05 | jim | which I do... there's no https in my sources at all |
| 19:18.24 | lf941 | jim where are you checking |
| 19:18.37 | lf941 | Just so I can be 100% sure you're checking everywhere |
| 19:18.42 | jim | it's not a big deal... I installed the transport package, it stopped complaining |
| 19:18.49 | lf941 | Ah ok |
| 19:19.46 | jim | the question just nags at me... I wonder if one of the mirrors redirects to https |
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| 19:20.33 | jim | it even complained when I would just update (as opposed to upgrade or install) |
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| 19:27.50 | doubleJJ | what's the deal with default Debian install not detecting native monitor resolution? |
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| 19:30.55 | xrogaan | doubleJJ, it's handled by Xorg |
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| 19:31.24 | xrogaan | if you don't have a native resolution, then you are probably missing some drivers for your hardware |
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| 19:33.15 | teraflops | sometimes the DE does not pick the right resolution |
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| 19:35.31 | r4z | I'm reading: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 19:36.55 | doubleJJ | xrogaan: but are drivers absolutely necessary to be able to set native resolution? |
| 19:36.58 | r4z | And the part "Don't forget to take notes!" sounds great, I myself try to register every move I do on my system. Does any of you have some format or tool to take note of the steps you perform? |
| 19:37.31 | doubleJJ | what I mean by that is - I can already change the resolution, i just dont have the right one |
| 19:37.46 | xrogaan | r4z, .bash_history |
| 19:38.03 | xrogaan | doubleJJ, everything is fine then |
| 19:38.17 | xrogaan | the resolution is detected? |
| 19:38.27 | doubleJJ | yeah, after i installed firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 19:38.49 | doubleJJ | i feel this shouldn't be required to just be able to have native res out of the box |
| 19:39.15 | greycat | If you use hardware that's not supportable with purely free drivers, this kind of thing can happen. |
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| 19:40.22 | xrogaan | it's by design :) |
| 19:40.46 | xrogaan | I've heard ubuntu don't care about nonfree |
| 19:40.56 | Agiofws | greycat, thank you for your help yesterday |
| 19:41.06 | doubleJJ | are GPU drivers necessary to detect native monitor resolution? |
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| 19:41.08 | xrogaan | they also don't care about your privacy |
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| 19:41.32 | xrogaan | doubleJJ, usually |
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| 19:42.46 | montreal | hi, guys! |
| 19:43.09 | xrogaan | GPU tends to follow standards, so the free drivers can make them work with basic functionalities. But for more advanced features, you'll need the dedicated drivers. |
| 19:43.18 | xrogaan | Same thing for every OS |
| 19:43.29 | doubleJJ | is 2560x1600 resolution an advanced feature? |
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| 19:43.47 | xrogaan | people on windows do need to install nvidia or amd's drivers, but windows can use the gpu just fine for basic tasks. |
| 19:43.56 | montreal | something went wrong on my debian machine and now I can neither install nor remove any package |
| 19:44.07 | montreal | https://gist.github.com/montreal91/356e4897e363ca9b07c148f329e0c263 |
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| 19:44.12 | doubleJJ | I love debian though |
| 19:44.17 | doubleJJ | no need for ubuntu |
| 19:45.01 | doubleJJ | I just wish native res would be detected without messing with drivers or non-free firmware |
| 19:45.14 | doubleJJ | or at least available from the drop down list |
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| 19:45.41 | doubleJJ | in the monitor preferences dialog |
| 19:46.11 | xrogaan | doubleJJ, what I meant is that xorg will use reliable drivers and only use basic feature from those, to be sure not to damage your hardware |
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| 19:46.55 | teraflops | take a look at what xrandr says |
| 19:46.59 | xrogaan | like VESA or VGA |
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| 19:47.45 | doubleJJ | i feel this shouldn't be required to just be able to have native res out of the box non-free firmware :/ |
| 19:48.31 | doubleJJ | teraflops: it's all fixed now after installing AMD/ATI open source drivers + the non-free firmware |
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| 19:50.37 | xrogaan | open + non-free. You like to live dangerously :) |
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| 19:51.22 | doubleJJ | xrogaan: do i have another option? |
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| 19:52.25 | greycat | The other option is to use older hardware that doesn't require non-free firmware/drivers, or *cheaper* hardware that doesn't require non-free firmware/drivers. |
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| 20:11.30 | cart_man | Hi guys... I have a couple of embedded queries ...I have built Qt4 for my IMX6 and I am cross compiling from my Ubuntu to the IMX6 board. When I compile a project without any Qt Libs it the creator just says "Architecture rejected target-supplied description". BUT when I go onto the Target board itself and execute it runs and nothing is wrong. NOW if I add qt related stuff and run it on host it just says nothing... initiating on th |
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| 20:11.52 | cart_man | What packages to I have to have on my Debian target for QT to be cross compiled onto the Debian target |
| 20:11.54 | cart_man | ? |
| 20:12.06 | cart_man | Also how do I install qdb and qdbserver ? |
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| 20:15.23 | riceandbeans | if I use aptly and make a custom repo and my repo has packages that are from earlier versions of debian but the packages don't have anything that would preclude them from technically being installed, would an apt-cache show them? |
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| 20:15.52 | riceandbeans | I've got some legacy stuff from before debian 8 but running on debian 8 |
| 20:16.07 | riceandbeans | I can dpkg -i, but I'd like to be able to apt-get install it as well |
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| 20:19.32 | xrogaan | riceandbeans, if it compile, why not? |
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| 20:20.42 | riceandbeans | because I have it hosted in aptly right now, aptly shows it, the system does not see it when I apt-cache |
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| 20:22.10 | doubleJJ | How to add a custom scripted hotkeys to manipulate active windows? |
| 20:22.39 | doubleJJ | Like resize, enumerate all open windows in a workspace and do something with them |
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| 20:26.28 | jrose1030 | anyone have experience with the openvpn appliance from turnkeylinux.org? i'm trying to update the config but nothing i do works, including update the config file the output clearly identifies |
| 20:27.32 | _rubik | Where might I find the java path so I can set it's environment variables |
| 20:28.30 | greycat | _rubik: that really is a ##java question. |
| 20:29.04 | greycat | It becomes a Debian question as soon as you *know* the name of a variable that you want to set in your environment, and then you want to figure out *how* to set it. |
| 20:29.25 | _rubik | greycat: Found it. It was just a matter of 'which java' |
| 20:29.42 | greycat | Oh, you were asking for the pathname of the 'java' command? |
| 20:30.06 | greycat | Not the name of the stupid JAVA_HOME variable or whatever the hell it is? |
| 20:30.26 | _rubik | greycat: mhm. I need to set JAVA_HOME, but I needed to find the binaries to do so. |
| 20:30.51 | greycat | In a reasonably-close-to-default Debian installation, it's /usr/bin/java which is a symlink. |
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| 20:31.17 | greycat | If your "which java" gave something else, then you've done some customizing. |
| 20:31.24 | _rubik | greycat: Thats exactly where it was |
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| 20:43.09 | lf94 | Will debian be around in 50 years |
| 20:43.22 | lf94 | (In other words can I use debian for the rest of my life) |
| 20:43.48 | greycat | They might run out of Toy Story sequel characters. |
| 20:43.56 | zinx | lf94: still waiting for myself to send me a message from the future about that |
| 20:44.03 | zinx | greycat: nope. |
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| 20:44.41 | lf94 | Will debian remain 'free and open' as well, you think? |
| 20:44.54 | chucklebug | greycat: rofl |
| 20:44.58 | greycat | I'm quite sure that as long as Debian exists, it will remain Free. |
| 20:45.00 | lf94 | What if say, the government tries to shut something like debian down |
| 20:45.02 | zinx | it wouldn't be debian if it stopped following the DFSG |
| 20:45.22 | zinx | Debian very strictly follows the DFSG. if it didn't, it would not be Debian. |
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| 20:45.32 | lf94 | OK, that makes me feel better. |
| 20:45.45 | lf94 | And if it stopped, would everyone go else where? Fork? |
| 20:46.03 | greycat | Calls for too much speculation. |
| 20:46.08 | zinx | probably fork, or use one of the existing forks |
| 20:46.15 | lf94 | What's an existing fork? |
| 20:46.21 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 20:46.22 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 20:46.33 | zinx | though, if Debian stops, it may be because there's simply no reason to use anything like it any more. |
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| 20:47.47 | lf94 | greycat: I meant, there's a fork of debian that strictly adheres to being FOSS? |
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| 20:48.20 | lf94 | zinx: Why would there ever be a reason to not use it? Windows becomes open source? |
| 20:48.22 | lf94 | lol |
| 20:48.24 | greycat | the "O" in that acronym really doesn't keep it very focused. |
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| 20:48.41 | lf94 | I know the difference between free and open source software |
| 20:49.20 | lf94 | free software: free to do anything you wish with it; open software: source code is viewable |
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| 20:49.49 | lf94 | open software can still include blobs right |
| 20:50.09 | lf94 | What does DFSG mean? |
| 20:50.14 | greycat | !dfsg |
| 20:50.14 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 20:50.16 | lf94 | Debian Free Software Group? |
| 20:50.17 | lf94 | ah |
| 20:51.05 | greycat | A given package has to be distributable under a license that falls under the DFSG rules to be included in Debian's "main". |
| 20:51.07 | lf94 | Well I for one hope Debian lives on at least until I'm 50 |
| 20:51.22 | lf94 | It'll give me lots of old hardware to use ;) |
| 20:51.33 | greycat | I'm about 99% confident Debian will be here for my 50th birthday. |
| 20:51.50 | greycat | I'm somewhat less confident that I'll be here for Debian's 50th birthday. |
| 20:52.11 | doubleJJ | What is the prefered way (or C API) to capture keypresses/hotkeys in X Window system? |
| 20:52.33 | doubleJJ | Can I register hotkeys somehow within the system? |
| 20:52.39 | greycat | doubleJJ: Are you still asking how to configure your WM or DE? Then you start by *identifying* your WM or DE. Because it's different for each one. |
| 20:52.50 | doubleJJ | greycat: it's MATE |
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| 20:53.03 | lf94 | There is a program to do it in MATE IIRC |
| 20:53.11 | doubleJJ | but I'd like it to work regardless of WM/DE |
| 20:53.16 | doubleJJ | although i'm not aware of the terminology |
| 20:53.27 | lf94 | keylogger? heh |
| 20:53.33 | doubleJJ | Not a keylogger |
| 20:53.39 | doubleJJ | I just wanna bind hotkeys |
| 20:53.40 | lf94 | It captures key presses. |
| 20:53.42 | greycat | In fvwm, you add lines like Key P A SC Exec nyxmms2 toggle in ~/.fvwm/.fvwm2rc |
| 20:53.54 | lf94 | There is probably a stand alone program |
| 20:54.00 | greycat | You're probably wrong. |
| 20:54.00 | lf94 | Out there, on the Internet, lost |
| 20:54.09 | doubleJJ | I also need some branching IF conditions when resizing windows |
| 20:54.11 | greycat | You configure your WM or DE. |
| 20:54.33 | hanshenrik | can i limit the bandwith based on target IP addresses? for instance, 100 kb/s global limit/per ip, but on certain IPs, global limit is ignored? |
| 20:54.34 | lf94 | greycat: Are there not key loggers for X? |
| 20:54.35 | doubleJJ | I wouldnt mind writting a background process in C which captures keypresses and then resizes windows |
| 20:54.54 | doubleJJ | I'm looking at the source of wmctrl, and the X Windows API looks fairly simple |
| 20:55.04 | doubleJJ | for at least manipulating the windows |
| 20:55.12 | doubleJJ | Enumerating them, getting/setting size |
| 20:55.18 | greycat | When you press or release a key in X, it generates an Event. Your Window Manager receives these Events and may act upon them, or not. |
| 20:55.21 | lf94 | > looks fairly simple <- you are the first I see say that, ever |
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| 20:56.01 | greycat | You can run the xev program to see the Events. Enjoy. |
| 20:56.16 | hanshenrik | lf94, keep in mind, he's not reading the actual docs for the x window api, he's just looking at the small parts of it that wmctrl uses |
| 20:56.22 | lf94 | Ah |
| 20:56.39 | doubleJJ | greycat: thank you for the tip! |
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| 20:57.40 | doubleJJ | lf94: just the portion to enumerate windows and get or set their size :D |
| 20:57.51 | doubleJJ | i would assume the whole X windows system is a hairy mess |
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| 20:58.01 | hanshenrik | famous for it |
| 20:58.02 | hanshenrik | even. |
| 20:58.36 | hanshenrik | several have tried "x from scratch", but nothing has really gotten any traction.. well, there's Wayland and then something, i guess |
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| 21:03.05 | doubleJJ | Capturing the X windows system events seems like the way to go |
| 21:03.07 | doubleJJ | Unless there's some sort of standartized way to REGISTER hotkeys |
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| 21:17.21 | kapitalist | You also got XQueryKeymap |
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| 21:20.32 | Agafnd | I'm thinking or dualbooting Win7 and Debian on my laptop |
| 21:20.48 | Agafnd | I've read https://wiki.debian.org/WindowsDualBoot |
| 21:21.03 | Agafnd | would it be wise to make a full system backup |
| 21:21.13 | Agafnd | or just personal files |
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| 21:22.57 | doubleJJ | kapitalist: that would only work for polling though |
| 21:23.14 | vvande | Agafnd: if you don't already have a Win7 installation disk, then it would be good to have a backup |
| 21:23.56 | Agafnd | vvande: only thing is I don't have anything to put a backup on |
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| 21:25.02 | doubleJJ | Agafnd: YOLO |
| 21:25.46 | Agafnd | doubleJJ: surely it isn't that dangerous |
| 21:26.00 | doubleJJ | it isn't for the most part |
| 21:26.28 | doubleJJ | it might be the case that GRUB initally wouldn't find your windows 7 install right after installing debian |
| 21:26.42 | doubleJJ | so you'll have some fun there with calling update-grub or whatever |
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| 21:27.33 | Agafnd | I guess I could always copy the relevant system files from another computer if they got corrupted |
| 21:27.44 | Agafnd | plenty of win7 boxes around |
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| 21:28.34 | Agafnd | what would be a good partition size to put windows on? |
| 21:28.50 | Agafnd | I've got ~43GB of stuff |
| 21:29.03 | Agafnd | ~266 HDD |
| 21:29.47 | Agafnd | .. make that ~288 |
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| 21:53.32 | wolfmitchell | Hey, how would I enable systemd user sessions? Not sure how to, lmao |
| 21:55.24 | jim | hi... back once more, upgrade from jessie to stretch completed (seemingly no problems during upgrade; great work gang...) I have xorg-xserver (err reverse of that) installed, trying to run Xorg.... log from latest (after upgrade) attempt, http://termbin.com/tssp |
| 21:55.53 | missmbob | ask the testing channel |
| 21:56.05 | jim | oh right, sorry |
| 21:56.49 | doubleJJ | Is there some sort of general guide for how to write software for GNU/Linux? |
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| 22:02.48 | xrogaan | doubleJJ, you're funny |
| 22:03.18 | mtcj | Does anyone know how to disable and input even if it's I D changes |
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| 22:04.27 | xrogaan | doubleJJ, what do you mean by general guide for how to write software for GNU/Linux? |
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| 22:04.47 | mtcj | As in Xin put |
| 22:05.01 | mtcj | Damn autocorrect |
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| 22:06.44 | teraflops | mtcj: libinput? use names |
| 22:07.18 | mtcj | Teraflops thank you I will look into it |
| 22:07.48 | teraflops | mtcj: as in `xinput set-prop 'ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad' 277 1` vs `xinput set-prop 12 277 1` |
| 22:08.08 | mtcj | My name is exactly what I was looking for so that's perfect |
| 22:08.20 | teraflops | the latter will fail |
| 22:08.25 | teraflops | eventually |
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| 22:09.03 | mtcj | Now I have a question, my situation is that the device goes to sleep end when it reconnects it uses a different I D |
| 22:09.16 | teraflops | use the name not the id |
| 22:09.30 | mtcj | Will that change be persistent even after the device disconnects and reconnects 26 go |
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| 22:09.57 | Guest66603 | Hi all |
| 22:10.04 | Guest66603 | I'm looking for a SNMP master |
| 22:10.08 | teraflops | mtcj: use names :P http://ix.io/1ltw |
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| 22:11.37 | doubleJJ | xrogaan: sort of a rundown. |
| 22:11.47 | doubleJJ | as in - get build-essentials |
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| 22:12.07 | doubleJJ | for interfacing with X window system you'll need libX11-dev (or whatever) |
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| 22:12.21 | mtcj | teraflops: yeah but I was wondering about the persistence |
| 22:12.42 | doubleJJ | or in case if windows you'd direct people to MSDN and Win32 APIs which generally expose the OS functionality |
| 22:12.43 | mtcj | The names is good advice which I'll use but I wasn't sure about that part |
| 22:12.46 | teraflops | use names since they do not chabge |
| 22:12.53 | doubleJJ | as in' that's the API you write for |
| 22:12.56 | teraflops | change* |
| 22:13.13 | xrogaan | doubleJJ, so, C then? |
| 22:14.14 | xrogaan | because you have api and libraries everywhere |
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| 22:14.23 | xrogaan | in all languages |
| 22:14.41 | doubleJJ | yeah, but the OS interface is in C |
| 22:14.52 | xrogaan | which part? |
| 22:15.03 | doubleJJ | in case of windows it's Win32 |
| 22:15.06 | teraflops | mtcj: theres no workaround use the names is the same situation like using /dev/sda2 instead of using uuids in fstab |
| 22:15.09 | doubleJJ | that's how you write software for windows |
| 22:15.16 | xrogaan | teraflops, he quit |
| 22:15.16 | doubleJJ | you write it against win32 |
| 22:15.19 | teraflops | ah |
| 22:15.22 | teraflops | :P |
| 22:15.41 | doubleJJ | and then you have higher abstractions over that |
| 22:15.50 | xrogaan | doubleJJ, well, you have GTK and QT as bit libraries |
| 22:15.58 | xrogaan | big |
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| 22:16.46 | doubleJJ | xrogaan: and those are on top of X windows system, right? |
| 22:16.50 | xrogaan | they interface with the window manager, I reckon. |
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| 22:17.32 | xrogaan | if you want to go dirty, you can start with x.org > https://www.x.org/wiki/guide/ |
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| 22:18.36 | Guest66603 | Question about SNMP. Is it normal that when I try to snmpwalk my server, I only get like 50 OID? |
| 22:19.13 | Guest66603 | I'm trying to import new MIBs but it doesn't seem to work :-( |
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| 22:19.55 | xrogaan | doubleJJ, but they themselves direct you towards GTK or QT if your aim is to write application for X |
| 22:20.12 | xrogaan | even though there are many other toolkit |
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| 22:23.18 | doubleJJ | xrogaan: the abstraction level I need is API to get keyboard events(hotkeys) and API to manipulate window size/positions |
| 22:24.30 | xrogaan | doubleJJ, do I need to go in the x.org wiki for you and get some link? |
| 22:24.31 | doubleJJ | it seems like the Xlib API is the right level of abstraction |
| 22:24.55 | doubleJJ | xrogaan: naah, it's just all very confusing |
| 22:25.09 | xrogaan | or XCV |
| 22:25.13 | xrogaan | XCB sorry |
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| 22:26.18 | doubleJJ | xrogaan: why is XCB replacing Xlib? |
| 22:26.21 | doubleJJ | what's the history there? |
| 22:27.00 | xrogaan | keep in mind that "linux" is just the kernel. Everything else are just lego parts that gravitate around it. |
| 22:27.53 | xrogaan | I don't know |
| 22:27.59 | doubleJJ | xrogaan: that's exactly why a an overall "developers guide" seems necessary |
| 22:28.09 | xrogaan | xlib is just very old |
| 22:28.12 | doubleJJ | as there are multiple moving parts and no single API to write against |
| 22:28.18 | doubleJJ | (maybe there is) |
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| 22:28.54 | x86iac | if i comment out a .h include and there is no error when compiling - that is pretty good certainty that whatever is in it isn't used? |
| 22:29.07 | doubleJJ | i mean X11 is not part of linux, but when writing desktop software - isnt it defacto part of it? |
| 22:29.22 | doubleJJ | as in - you can reasonably expect the X windows system to be there |
| 22:29.23 | xrogaan | because you can have other window manager |
| 22:29.32 | xrogaan | or maybe you don't need a window manager |
| 22:29.42 | doubleJJ | but is it built on top of something which I can rely on to be there? |
| 22:29.59 | doubleJJ | what are the parts that I can reliably expect to be there? |
| 22:30.04 | doubleJJ | what's the foundation? |
| 22:30.45 | xrogaan | that's why you want a guide for a distro, not general GNU/linux |
| 22:30.57 | xrogaan | because each distro as its quirk |
| 22:31.21 | doubleJJ | the interesting parts are the parts which are shared between them |
| 22:31.36 | doubleJJ | the parts you can - in one way or another - expect to have in most of distros |
| 22:31.36 | xrogaan | yeah, and they differ in versions too. |
| 22:32.18 | xrogaan | you know, like Jessie is set in stone until 2020? No major update should get into it. |
| 22:32.28 | doubleJJ | so that i can just git clone my tool, build it and expect it to work on 90% of the cases where some sort of windowing interface is there |
| 22:32.58 | xrogaan | if the api doesn't break between version, sure. |
| 22:33.38 | xrogaan | but you can't account for each flavors. |
| 22:33.56 | Guest66603 | how do you add a MIB to your system? i'm trying to poll UCD-SNMP-MIB::ssCpuUser.0 for example. My SNMP is able to translate it |
| 22:34.14 | Guest66603 | but if i try to snmpget the OID, I get an error |
| 22:34.27 | doubleJJ | xrogaan: not every, just the *mainstream* ones - the largest subset |
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| 22:35.19 | xrogaan | well then, you got your job cut for you. But I'd suggest to build your stuff against one distro for starter then see if it work somewhere else. |
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| 22:36.05 | xrogaan | is talking a bit out of his ass because he his hours behind sleeping time |
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| 22:37.31 | xrogaan | doubleJJ, thing is, it's a bit confusing, because the data's everywhere. But at least it is quite well documented. |
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| 22:39.56 | xrogaan | except for gnome |
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| 23:17.20 | doubleJJ | https://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/window-information/XGetWindowProperty.html |
| 23:17.28 | doubleJJ | LOL, this is just beautiful API design |
| 23:17.30 | doubleJJ | my god |
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| 23:33.40 | ug | hi, anyone else running sid get the prompt to uninstall vim while doing a `apt-get dist-upgrade`/`apt full upgrade`? |
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| 23:34.35 | missmbob | ug: as those people |
| 23:34.42 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 23:34.42 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 23:34.55 | ug | missmbob: thank you |
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| 23:35.53 | ug | looks like I need an invite to that channel |
| 23:36.21 | missmbob | ug no. you just need to read more carefully. it said it's on oftc, not freenode |
| 23:37.04 | ug | whoops, thanks again |
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