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| 00:06.59 | MOZGIII | damn it, nand was just compiled as module the whole time :( |
| 00:07.03 | MOZGIII | lolz |
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| 00:38.05 | afernandez_ | hello: |
| 00:38.50 | afernandez_ | can anyone direct me to directions on how to install Debian on a newer MAC? |
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| 00:39.43 | code1o6 | hey guys is gpt+ efi + fake raid possible |
| 00:40.06 | code1o6 | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 00:40.24 | code1o6 | was foollowing this tutorial but step 8 does not exist on my debian install cd |
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| 00:41.43 | code1o6 | appreciate any help |
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| 00:45.34 | afernandez_ | what is not code1o6 ? |
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| 00:49.28 | KungFuJesus | Where do I get ppc64 big endian isos for debian? |
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| 00:50.38 | KungFuJesus | I can only find little endian |
| 00:52.14 | code1o6 | afernandez_, systemrescue is not present |
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| 00:56.15 | knamehost | can debian system be restored ? |
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| 00:58.09 | bazhang | knamehost, from backups? sure |
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| 00:58.46 | knamehost | thats the problem no back ups |
| 00:59.25 | bazhang | knamehost, you mean some sort of restore point? |
| 01:00.00 | bazhang | ,v backintime-common |
| 01:00.01 | judd | Package: backintime-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.10-1; jessie: 1.0.36-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.36-1+deb8u1; stretch: 1.1.12-1; sid: 1.1.12-1 |
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| 02:23.58 | hhmpz | Do I get a different system if I install from the standard live-cd than if I just install from the net-inst without any graphical user interface? Like, are there more packages included with the standard livecd? |
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| 02:24.29 | Vainglory | trying to apt-get update and getting hung up on 128.31.0.63 which won't connect |
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| 02:27.49 | dvs | hhmpz, you get the same system |
| 02:28.02 | hhmpz | dvs: thanks a lot |
| 02:28.07 | dvs | no prob |
| 02:29.25 | themill | the live installer screws up a few things like lvm though (it forgets to install the lvm2 package) |
| 02:29.33 | bigterd | anyone ever have dosfsck tools hang? |
| 02:29.50 | bigterd | one in a trillion to answer that question, but i posted it. |
| 02:30.34 | bigterd | its eating cpu cycles, but not accessing the disk the image is on. |
| 02:31.46 | hhmpz | themill: won't be using lvm, thanks for the heads up though |
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| 04:10.06 | Greensmith | hmm chickens |
| 04:10.09 | Greensmith | http://i.imgur.com/PqiRGsA.jpg |
| 04:10.15 | Greensmith | and debian |
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| 05:20.31 | dionysus69 | hello all, how do I install latest version of rhythmbox from backports? |
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| 05:29.34 | Penix | dionysus69: by enabling the repo and installing the package. "latest" will be whatever version exists in the repo |
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| 05:32.27 | somiaj | ,vrhythmbox |
| 05:32.32 | somiaj | ,v rhythmbox |
| 05:32.33 | judd | Package: rhythmbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.97-2.1; jessie: 3.1-1; stretch: 3.4-1; sid: 3.4.1-1 |
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| 05:54.20 | dionysus69 | any ideas why fingerprint reader might not be listed in lsusb? it has never happened before, it has worked on this kernel version too |
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| 05:58.06 | Elronnd | I stopped being able to set my brightness recently |
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| 05:58.13 | Elronnd | reboots don't fix it, and I just upgraded |
| 05:58.24 | Elronnd | I can't set it through gnome, or xrandr |
| 05:58.29 | Elronnd | ermm |
| 05:58.29 | missmbob | testing? |
| 05:58.32 | Elronnd | xbacklight |
| 05:58.33 | Elronnd | yes |
| 05:58.35 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 05:58.35 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 05:59.16 | dionysus69 | Elronnd: yes same happened with me |
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| 05:59.38 | dionysus69 | It is not a kernel fault, are you on gnome? |
| 05:59.44 | Elronnd | yes |
| 05:59.58 | dionysus69 | I blame gnome for it even though it is not intuitive |
| 05:59.59 | Elronnd | I don't think it's gnome's fault, though |
| 06:00.11 | Elronnd | I can switch to fvwm, though, and see if xbacklight works then |
| 06:00.12 | dionysus69 | what is your Details showing |
| 06:00.26 | Elronnd | what's that, something in gnome-settings? |
| 06:00.27 | dionysus69 | and what is your gnome-shell --version in terminal showing |
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| 06:00.34 | dionysus69 | yes gnome-settings details |
| 06:01.04 | dionysus69 | graphics should be blank |
| 06:01.22 | dionysus69 | and gnome versions shouldnt match, thats my case at least |
| 06:01.26 | Elronnd | gnome v3.21.90 mem 3.7 gib processor intel pentium x4 base system debian gnu/linux stretch/sid 64-bit disk 305.5 gb |
| 06:01.44 | Elronnd | and yes, nothing for grahpics |
| 06:01.51 | dionysus69 | yes thats the problem |
| 06:01.54 | Elronnd | I don't have a gpu, though, so I think that's to be expected |
| 06:02.15 | dionysus69 | I am testing the same pc on same kernel on different installation and it works. |
| 06:02.19 | Elronnd | any solution, or workaround? |
| 06:02.24 | Elronnd | the thing is, it used to work fine |
| 06:02.25 | dionysus69 | no it should say intel integrated something at least |
| 06:02.43 | dionysus69 | brightness doesnt work because it has a fault in detecting integrated GPU |
| 06:03.02 | Elronnd | dammit |
| 06:03.05 | Elronnd | I just had an idea |
| 06:03.10 | Elronnd | then it slipped out of my mind |
| 06:03.18 | dionysus69 | haha spit it out :D :D |
| 06:03.18 | oneand0 | Elronnd: same here, gnome-settings says "No screens found" .... i 'get around it' via "xrandr --output LVDS --brightness 1' .. set to 0-1 ... and make sure your output is right "xrandr -q" to see whats connected |
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| 06:04.03 | dionysus69 | changing brightness is less of a problem in this case, my problem is that steam doesnt launch |
| 06:04.17 | dionysus69 | sudo -e /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness |
| 06:04.19 | Elronnd | oneand0: that's a lousy hack though |
| 06:04.52 | Elronnd | what's -e do? |
| 06:04.55 | oneand0 | Elronnd: yeah ..im trying to ifnd root cause... mine stopped 4 days ago |
| 06:04.57 | Elronnd | uses su, not sudo |
| 06:05.00 | dionysus69 | it stands for edit i think |
| 06:05.28 | Elronnd | that file says 7812 |
| 06:05.33 | Elronnd | I have no idea what to set it to |
| 06:05.51 | dionysus69 | dunno why it says such a large number |
| 06:06.00 | dionysus69 | I worked between numbers 100 and 500 |
| 06:06.10 | dionysus69 | try 500 see how brightness changes |
| 06:06.31 | Elronnd | "brightness" E667: Fsync failed |
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| 06:06.46 | dionysus69 | the number is wrong then, try different |
| 06:06.55 | dionysus69 | I had to do trial and error |
| 06:07.03 | Elronnd | I can't change it |
| 06:07.09 | Elronnd | do I have to dd or something? |
| 06:07.23 | dionysus69 | dunno, I was able to change it with the command I posted |
| 06:07.32 | dionysus69 | I dont know how su works really |
| 06:08.08 | Elronnd | I'm installing sudo now |
| 06:08.12 | Elronnd | I'll see if it work |
| 06:08.16 | Elronnd | s |
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| 06:09.10 | dionysus69 | it should xD |
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| 06:10.40 | dionysus69 | ok I am rebooting, good luck with it :) webgen@outlook.com Elronnd if u find a fix for the GPU problem :D |
| 06:10.57 | Elronnd | k |
| 06:11.02 | Elronnd | reboots didn't fix anything for me |
| 06:11.18 | dionysus69 | I am testing something else, fingerprint reader is not detected |
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| 06:30.18 | and_rew | Hello everyone! Having a problem with my wireless card on a fresh install of jessie, Im missing some non free drivers I think. I changed my sources list to a non-free repository that I was showen by a friend but it dosen't seem to be working this time. Last install was cinnamon this install is gnome but I didn't think that made any difference, any help is greatly appreciated! |
| 06:31.19 | and_rew | This is the repository deb http://mirror.ancl.hawaii.edu/linux/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 06:33.59 | ransur0t | and_rew: are you running stretch? |
| 06:36.25 | and_rew | No, at least i dont think so, I downloaded jessie but the sources list I had saved from the previous install |
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| 06:37.37 | and_rew | Do you ask because of the "testing" in the sources list? |
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| 06:37.52 | ransur0t | yes -- then you shouldn't mix repos |
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| 06:39.26 | ransur0t | and, which wireless card are we talking about? |
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| 06:43.11 | and_rew | So, can I just change "deb http://mirror.ancl.hawaii.edu/linux/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" to 'jessie main contrib non-free' |
| 06:44.19 | and_rew | intel centrino advanced-N 6200 |
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| 06:49.11 | and_rew | tbh I am really new to linux and let someone "help" me change the sources list that I had met at defcon because I couldn't get my wireless card working after he convinced me to switch to debian, so I really have no idea what the difference is between what the original sources.list file was and what he changed it to. But it made my wireless card work so I saved it when I decided to switch from cinnamon to gnome and see if it worked. And |
| 06:49.11 | and_rew | now im here...... lol |
| 06:51.59 | morf_ | and_rew: i think the only problem is missing wireless driver |
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| 06:52.58 | ransur0t | and_rew: yes, your sources list change is correct |
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| 06:53.25 | morf_ | and_rew: do you know what's the type of the wifi? |
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| 06:54.27 | morf_ | for example i have some shitty intel wifi ... so i need iwlwifi package in debian |
| 06:54.37 | ransur0t | and_rew: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 06:55.00 | ransur0t | that will take care of your troubles |
| 06:55.01 | ransur0t | ! |
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| 06:55.03 | morf_ | ransur0t: does he has this also? |
| 06:55.17 | and_rew | I think I installed that last time |
| 06:55.26 | morf_ | and? |
| 06:55.32 | and_rew | One sec |
| 06:55.35 | ransur0t | yes, intel centrino advanced-N 6200 |
| 06:55.36 | and_rew | let me try it again |
| 06:55.41 | and_rew | Ya |
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| 07:02.07 | blackflow | Hello. I've stopped dpkg (re)starting services like explained here: http://ircbots.debian.net/scripts/policy-rc.d-forbid-dpkg But now I have daily mails from things like logroate complaining that "action rotate is unknown", or "action _cron is unknown" etc... How do I fix those? |
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| 07:07.15 | lpapp | hello, screen is terminating right after issuing the screen command... I am trying to use screen as a regular user. My friend has tried setgid as well as reinstalling the official package on Wheezy, 7.11. It used to work for years and it suddenly broke. I am not sure what my friend or his provider did to the server, but I would like to fix it. Any idea what to do next? |
| 07:07.34 | lpapp | ls -ld `which screen` -> -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 421640 Sep 3 2015 /usr/bin/screen |
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| 07:07.53 | lpapp | ls -ld /var/run/screen -> drwxrwxr-x 4 root utmp 80 Sep 9 11:25 /var/run/screen/ |
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| 07:08.15 | lpapp | and this is the problem screen -> [screen is terminating] |
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| 07:16.41 | ransur0t | and_rew: how's it going? |
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| 07:28.57 | and_rew | ransur0t: I got side tracked learning how to find the fastest mirror with netselect-apt real quick. Now i should be on the fastest mirror just waiting to update then going to install iwlwifi |
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| 07:32.21 | and_rew | I had read that same wiki when I first started with debian and I forgot about it. I'm guilty of not searching before asking for help this time lol |
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| 07:34.22 | ransur0t | no prob man, nice work on netselect |
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| 07:35.27 | and_rew | I really don |
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| 07:38.19 | and_rew | I really don't understand how the repository's work, I mean i under stand that I point my computer to them via the address in /etc/apt/sources.list but whats the diff between the deb and deb-src repos. and whats the security repo? ........ Im reading 'How Linux Works 2nd edition' and it hasn't covered it yet but im not to far in. |
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| 07:39.07 | and_rew | any links to good articles are appreciated........ if your to lazy to explain it lol |
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| 07:42.36 | ransur0t | goo.gl/M6j2KL |
| 07:42.45 | and_rew | ANNNNNND we have wifi! |
| 07:42.53 | and_rew | dope. thx |
| 07:43.12 | ransur0t | yw, congrats! :) |
| 07:43.39 | ransur0t | see link above for debian package management |
| 07:43.51 | iKarith | Hey all, I'm getting some errors at shutdown that appear to be harmless, but I am concerned about them as I'm trying to migrate to an encrypted system with a SSD cache and I have messed it up literally a dozen times now. Here's the errors I'm getting: http://paste.debian.net/820460/ |
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| 07:45.11 | and_rew | I'm reading it now..... |
| 07:45.13 | iKarith | The "Stopped (with error) lines. |
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| 07:48.43 | iKarith | Partition layout is /dev/sda1 as LUKS "swap_crypt". /dev/bcache0 is /dev/sdb3 (/dev/sda2 is the cache), and bcache0 is LUKS formatted as root_crypt. It's mounted on /srv for now though to test that it works in the initrd and all. I'm not moving my filesystem to it until I know it's reliable. |
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| 07:50.14 | iKarith | /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2 are needed to boot the system--ESP and /boot respectively. |
| 07:51.36 | iKarith | I have a systemd.log_level=debug boot as journalctl -b -1, you're looking at -b -2 there. |
| 07:51.59 | iKarith | I didn't see anything in the debug log that really clued me in though |
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| 08:44.19 | r3m1 | how's it going all |
| 08:44.54 | r3m1 | In /etc/init.d/skeleton, there is a ':' at the end of the script. What is it for ? What does it do ? |
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| 08:46.30 | cdown | It's probably a not very clear alternative to `exit 0`. |
| 08:46.39 | cdown | Although why people love to end scripts with `exit 0` is anyone's guess. |
| 08:46.49 | r3m1 | alright |
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| 08:48.29 | mathlover97 | Hi. I know that the chances of an infected linux machine are slim, especially since I don't install 3rd-party software. However, I am planning to do a fresh-install and I was wondering what could be a safe way to copy my files from an encrypted home folder without risking infecting my USB drive. Thanks in advance! |
| 08:50.16 | cdown | mathlover97: What does "risking infecting" mean? If you're connecting a USB device to a system you consider to be compromised, there's no good way to do that. |
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| 08:50.40 | ksk | that depends on the "virus", no? like, boot a livelinux and copy the files. If its a killer virus it would maybe then "infect" your live-linux as you read this files? you cannot really tell imho.. |
| 08:50.48 | cdown | Compromise can occur at any level of the system -- if, say, the virus has root access there's no good way for sure. |
| 08:51.15 | mathlover97 | cdown, ksk I see. thanks |
| 08:52.11 | mathlover97 | I was thinking about sending my files on my phone through wifi |
| 08:52.23 | mathlover97 | to my phone, i mean |
| 08:52.33 | ksk | on the other hand if you dont suspect to have a virus (never had one using linux) just copy over the files ;) you could also scan them using a livelinux and maybe clamav |
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| 08:54.11 | mathlover97 | ksk, well the thing is, I collect old pdf files. For example, I will search for an Aristotle's book and I would click on pages on google that were suspicious and would never have the book. The would just list as always having the book :/ |
| 08:54.31 | mathlover97 | sorry for my english |
| 08:54.56 | ksk | I see. As far as I know there has not been a "Linux virus" in the wild though. |
| 08:55.15 | r3m1 | I didnt know Aristotle wrote PDF but they must be quite old indeed :D |
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| 08:56.02 | mathlover97 | r3m1, well they are old books that are scanned (and are on public domain). sometimes I will have to search through many pages of google to fine specific ones. i have all his works (lots of gigs of pdf's) in both ancient greek and english |
| 08:57.02 | r3m1 | is it ok to have an LSBscript with no Default-start levels but just Default-stop ? In my case the start is triggered by a cronjob but I'd rather have the things properly stopped when the system reboot |
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| 08:59.27 | mathlover97 | ksk, I got a linux distro installed on my computer because when I'd click pages on goo gle of books, I'd get them blocked from my antivirus. so i know that they target windows computers but i hope they can't infect an uptodate ubuntu or debian installatio;n |
| 08:59.37 | r3m1 | mathlover97: was just joking. Can't you find them from proper sources such as NTUA ? |
| 09:00.32 | mathlover97 | r3m1, some of the books are not available in the whole country. they can be very rare |
| 09:00.45 | mathlover97 | i get the easy to get ones from archive.org |
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| 09:04.07 | mathlover97 | I was staying in athens for a while and i got robbed and they took my phone. since then i decided to encrypt my data just in case they take my laptop at some point. no idea how to decrypt, even with the keys, through a live cd :( |
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| 09:05.00 | cdown | ksk: There have been plenty, it's mostly just a trend that Un*x people focus on CVEs rather than actual instances of exploitation |
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| 09:06.27 | mathlover97 | cdown, exactly. i am sure there are plenty of exploits out there |
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| 09:08.19 | r3m1 | cdown: what does CVEs stands for? |
| 09:08.34 | cdown | r3m1: https://cve.mitre.org/ |
| 09:08.52 | cdown | But basically, a centralised place to store information about exploits in major software. |
| 09:09.06 | cdown | (Although it is becoming more and more byzantine to get CVE numbers assigned...) |
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| 09:55.49 | and_rew | ransur0t thanks again for all the help earlier if your still around. |
| 09:57.34 | ransur0t | and_rew: you're welcome man, glad to help |
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| 10:08.05 | Gobo708 | Hi all, just wondering how I set a directory to make all new files executable by the owner. |
| 10:08.09 | Gobo708 | Thanks in advance |
| 10:08.32 | han-solo | chmod |
| 10:08.38 | han-solo | man chmod |
| 10:09.13 | han-solo | chmod -R <dir>/ |
| 10:09.20 | han-solo | to be specific, i guess |
| 10:10.35 | han-solo | ofcourse you have to set the permission |
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| 10:10.54 | han-solo | chmod -R a+x <dir> |
| 10:11.28 | Gobo708 | Thanks2 |
| 10:11.33 | Gobo708 | Thanks! |
| 10:11.35 | han-solo | er, you wanted ownder |
| 10:11.42 | han-solo | owner |
| 10:11.47 | Gobo708 | yeah, not group |
| 10:11.47 | han-solo | chmod -R u+x <dir> |
| 10:11.58 | Gobo708 | cheers |
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| 10:18.19 | Gobo708 | hmm every time a new file arrives its -rw-r--r-- |
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| 10:18.48 | Gobo708 | I am pulling files from source control with jenkins.. |
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| 10:22.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would be the job of the program |
| 10:25.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't know about this CI stuff, but revision systems like git just don't do it, they're for source and they just don't care about permissions |
| 10:25.35 | Gobo708 | job of what program? |
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| 10:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jenkins |
| 10:26.22 | Gobo708 | to change permissions after pulling the file down? as oppossed to it inheriting from the directory? |
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| 10:28.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | there isn't anything to inherit with normal unix permissions |
| 10:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | there might be with acls |
| 10:28.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | to change permissions of a file to match the permissions of where you pulled it from, yes |
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| 10:29.27 | Gobo708 | hmm ok |
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| 10:30.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in "man 5 acl" what rules acls may have for inheriting |
| 10:30.51 | Gobo708 | Thanks |
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| 10:31.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | but execute permissions on directories mean something very different than on files, so inheriting that way doesn't make a lot of sense |
| 10:32.27 | Gobo708 | yeah might look at changing it with jenkins after I pull it down |
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| 10:33.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess one could also watch for new files with inotify and then change or so |
| 10:37.08 | han-solo | yeah, write a script |
| 10:37.30 | han-solo | or crontab, or a service :) |
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| 10:51.23 | Gobo708 | post build task in jenkins.. |
| 10:51.25 | Gobo708 | all good |
| 10:51.38 | han-solo | good |
| 10:51.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
| 10:51.44 | Gobo708 | Thanks |
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| 10:54.46 | and_rew | What would the symptoms be of a graphics card going out? Booting into text only? Screens been having weird lines on it for a while |
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| 10:55.57 | and_rew | or I just deleted something instead of installing something which was my original goal. hmmm |
| 10:56.02 | Flashtek | it not being there when you look fir it.. |
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| 11:02.53 | and_rew | and if its integrated can it not go out? |
| 11:03.11 | and_rew | I can still see it via lspci |
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| 11:06.07 | and_rew | Because if not I deff deleted something, trying to install hexchat lol |
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| 11:10.52 | Conna | when debian 9 release? |
| 11:11.16 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 11:11.24 | tobiasBora | I got a pretty annoying problem : |
| 11:11.45 | jelly | Conna: debian does not have set release dates, it's hard to even guess |
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| 11:11.57 | Conna | hmm ok |
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| 11:12.07 | jelly | !wwsr |
| 11:12.07 | dpkg | Hang on.... we've only just released jessie! |
| 11:12.25 | themill | !stretch freeze |
| 11:12.25 | dpkg | Stretch will start to freeze in early 2017; no new versions of packages will enter the release as this is a period of intense bug fixing. See http://lists.debian.org/%3C20160303221359.GA1401@lupin.powdarrmonkey.net%3E https://release.debian.org/stretch/ and ask me about <slushy>. |
| 11:12.44 | Conna | i use kali linux <debian 8 based> :) |
| 11:12.55 | jelly | good for you! |
| 11:13.21 | jelly | I hear it's a decent distro, for its purposes |
| 11:13.48 | Conna | yes thats true |
| 11:14.08 | tobiasBora | I am running debian, where / is on a SSD. However, due to a lack of place, I needed to extend the lvm partition on the ssd, and I added a partition on the HD. Everything works fine... except that when I reboot I cannot boot anymore to debian, I've an error like "I don't know the device lvm/...." (I can get the exact error if needed). So the thing I would like to do is generate a plenty new EFI file (since the |
| 11:14.10 | tobiasBora | lvm UUID seems changed), but I don't manage to do it... Do you know what I could do ? |
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| 11:15.07 | colo-work | are powermgmt-base acpi-support-base and acpid still needed on systemd-enabled hosts? |
| 11:15.08 | jelly | tobiasBora: can you take a picture of the screen when that message is visible? |
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| 11:30.41 | colo-work | is it possible to determine if/when tasksel was run on a host, and what it was instructed to install? |
| 11:31.51 | ransur0t | dpkg slushy |
| 11:31.51 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
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| 11:36.15 | jelly | colo-work: I don't think it keep its own logs, so all you're going to have is circumstantial evidence, logs from apt and dpkg |
| 11:36.46 | colo-work | jelly, yeah, I was afraid so. thanks for your input. |
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| 11:37.39 | themill | most things that tasksel installs are packages though |
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| 11:44.28 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.46 | iadf | Hello, a game I play launched a new client, they released a linux version but do not officially support it, I tried running it and am having trouble with shared libraries more specifically (libpcre16.so.0) I have searched for the library on debian packages but can't find it. The game in question is Tibia Version 11(https://secure.tibia.com/account/?subtopic=downloadclient). Not possible to run on Debian? Thanks in advance. |
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| 11:54.45 | ksk | iadf: mostly its about these games looking for a specific version/name of something. most of the time you can just symlink it. libpcre should come with perl packages? |
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| 11:57.59 | ksk | iadf: how about reading http://tibia.wikia.com/wiki/Linux_Client? they talk about your problem.. |
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| 11:58.19 | ksk | eh they dont, nevermind.. |
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| 12:00.02 | iadf | ksk: hard to find information since the new client was released today |
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| 12:07.55 | iadf | ksk: tried to symlink it to libpcre.so.3 but now get the following error: symbol lookup error: /usr/games/Tibia/bin/libQt5Core.so.5: undefined symbol: pcre16_free |
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| 12:20.30 | ksk | iadf: so its probably not compatible |
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| 12:21.27 | ksk | on the other hand they did no good job in porting the game if one has to apply all that hacks. better use steam ;) |
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| 12:21.41 | unborn | iadf: did you asked for your needs directly to program/client devs? |
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| 12:22.24 | unborn | iadf: it would be possibly best and fastest to contact them directly |
| 12:22.30 | iadf | unborn: they provided the linux version but said right from the start that it is not officially supported, so my problem will be ignored |
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| 12:23.10 | unborn | iadf: ah that is your assumption.. I would still try to ask them, it will cost you zero minutes just one email. |
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| 12:23.37 | iadf | unborn: sure I can try that |
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| 12:24.48 | iadf | ksk: some time ago Tibia was accepted on steam greenlight but a few months later the company decided not to go for steam, really not sure why. Bad call as far as I see it |
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| 12:28.13 | ksk | yap, they should know what their software needs and where to get it. |
| 12:29.01 | iadf | thanks for the help understanding the problem, goodbye |
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| 12:33.00 | dionysus69 | please someone help me in debian-next, I am just dealing with update issues/questions between testing and sid |
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| 12:56.09 | adamicron | ah nvm, found in libgraphviz-dev |
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| 13:07.31 | slax0r | how bad of an idea is it to install vim from stretch on jessie? |
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| 13:09.29 | zykotick9 | slax0r: according to "/msg judd checkbackport vim" you might be able to <ssb> it. installing the binary isn't a good idea! |
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| 13:12.04 | jelly | slax0r: very bad |
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| 13:14.52 | slax0r | zykotick9: <ssb> it? |
| 13:15.11 | jelly | !ssb |
| 13:15.12 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 13:15.13 | zykotick9 | slax0r: sorry, it's a factoid. so "/msg dpkg ssb" |
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| 13:15.38 | jelly | slax0r: 8.0 is not in debian yet |
| 13:16.04 | slax0r | I don't need 8.0, although would be nice, just 7.4.710 at least |
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| 13:16.52 | slax0r | ok, so since package is not here: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie-backports&keywords=vim this means there is no backport for jessie right? |
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| 13:20.58 | jelly | slax0r: correct |
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| 13:45.17 | slax0r | vim is building, tnx for help jelly zykotick9 |
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| 13:45.55 | afernandez_ | Anyone install debian in a late Mac succesfully? if yes can you provide documentation link please |
| 13:45.57 | afernandez_ | Thanks |
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| 13:55.01 | jhutchins | We need a newer version of vim? Something has changed in the last 10 years? |
| 13:55.31 | petn-randall | jhutchins: Don't you miss async I/O and JSON support in your vim? |
| 13:55.56 | jhutchins | petn-randall: No. |
| 13:56.29 | jhutchins | petn-randall: I've used edlin for critical tasks. |
| 13:56.45 | petn-randall | </sarcasm> |
| 13:56.47 | han-solo | there's vim8 |
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| 13:56.58 | han-solo | ah |
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| 14:07.10 | slax0r | well, after build running for a quite long amount of time, I ran into an error: http://sprunge.us/URcQ |
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| 14:09.23 | themill | it needs a newer debhelper than what you have installed |
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| 14:09.59 | slax0r | alrighty, lets give it another go then |
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| 14:20.16 | r3m1 | how to add a gateway for a specific interface ? |
| 14:20.23 | r3m1 | using "route" |
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| 14:30.09 | fred1807 | can I install at (command time scheduler) without exim4 ? |
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| 14:31.19 | sonOfRa | When pinning packages from other repositories, what exactly do the letters in the Pin: line mean? i.e. sometimes the manpage states "Pin: release a=testing" or "Pin: release o=Debian", or "Pin: release n=testing". |
| 14:31.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, apt recommends |
| 14:31.43 | dpkg | Packages required in all but unusual cases (that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called "recommended" packages. By not installing these packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>. |
| 14:32.22 | jak2000 | hi |
| 14:32.24 | jak2000 | dude: /etc/network/interfaces have these line: auto enp0s3 what is this? |
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| 14:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe man 5 interfaces can tell you |
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| 14:35.08 | OerHeks | predictable interface naming .. |
| 14:35.18 | zykotick9 | sonOfRa: <sidenote> someone here in #d once wrote, (something like) "those that understand pinning, understand not to use it" |
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| 14:36.35 | themill | sonOfRa: the output of "apt-cache policy" (and apt_preferences(5)) cover that |
| 14:37.01 | jak2000 | mmm |
| 14:37.54 | jak2000 | not know why, always always need type: sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0 for start work with network card? any advice? thanks |
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| 14:38.05 | sonOfRa | ah, I see. |
| 14:38.35 | sonOfRa | I get that pinning isn't always wise, but I need a more recent version of ruby than is available in debian stable. Should I instead compile ruby myself and install it to /usr/local? |
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| 14:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions ruby |
| 14:40.24 | judd | Package: ruby on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.9.3; jessie: 1:2.1.5+deb8u2; sid: 1:2.3.0+4; stretch: 1:2.3.0+4 |
| 14:40.50 | jak2000 | sonOfRa any advice? |
| 14:41.20 | sonOfRa | CutMeOwnThroat: a gem I depend on needs ruby >=2.2.5 |
| 14:41.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think for ruby that may be the best⦠you could backport it as a package⦠but from what I hear/read, ruby changes so quickly, I think you're happier with an install outside the package system |
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| 14:43.10 | sonOfRa | I suppose I'll install ruby locally then, thanks for the advice |
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| 14:45.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jak2000, you could try allow-hotplug |
| 14:46.10 | AlwaysHigh | is there a correct way to mount new harddrives |
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| 14:48.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there an incorrect way? |
| 14:49.50 | jak2000 | CutMeOwnThroat how to? |
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| 14:51.01 | jak2000 | its a vm in Virtual box |
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| 14:54.00 | zykotick9 | AlwaysHigh: could you be more specific? |
| 14:54.31 | AlwaysHigh | btw what label type do i use when formatting and partitioning a drive |
| 14:54.36 | AlwaysHigh | i have gpt dos sgi sun |
| 14:54.42 | AlwaysHigh | i have 3 drives < 1tb big |
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| 14:55.03 | pingfloyd | jak2000: what's your /etc/default/grub look like? |
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| 14:55.26 | jak2000 | wait a moment Checking |
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| 14:56.22 | pingfloyd | jak2000: I think your problem is that /etc/network/interfaces is using predictable network interface naming to address the interfaces, but you have that feature disabled |
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| 14:56.50 | jak2000 | pingfloyd: http://pastebin.com/WXdHZDPA |
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| 14:57.13 | pingfloyd | jak2000: are you wanting to use predictable naming? |
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| 14:57.42 | jak2000 | pingfloyd http://pastebin.com/nP5gRDtC |
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| 14:57.52 | jak2000 | some ppl tell me about network manager, remove? |
| 14:58.03 | jak2000 | predictable naming? <--- not know wait me a moment for read |
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| 14:59.01 | iwkse | hi, do you know why I cannot find abiword-plugins in the repository? It has been merged with the main package? |
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| 14:59.37 | jak2000 | how to know if is enabled "predictable naming?" |
| 15:00.01 | missmbob | iwkse: they're separate. apt-cache search abiword-plugins (you'll get -gnome, -grammar, etc) |
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| 15:00.21 | missmbob | iwkse: i meant plugin* singular |
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| 15:00.34 | iwkse | missmbob: I don't have it |
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| 15:00.48 | iwkse | missmbob: I have abiword-plugin-grammar abiword-plugin-mathview |
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| 15:01.37 | fernie | jak2000: predictable naming means that your network interface would not be anything predictable like eth0 |
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| 15:01.47 | iwkse | missmbob: I see. So there's a single package for each plugin |
| 15:01.53 | jak2000 | ahh yes |
| 15:02.01 | iwkse | missmbob: I'm trying to find out how to open odt files, but I see no plugins for that |
| 15:02.09 | fernie | funny how they named that feature :) |
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| 15:02.48 | jak2000 | yes i enable |
| 15:02.52 | iwkse | s/open/open or create/ |
| 15:02.52 | jak2000 | i want enable how to |
| 15:02.52 | jmcnaught | iwkse: abiword doesn't need a plugin to open odt files. did you get an error when opening one? |
| 15:03.04 | iwkse | jmcnaught: not really, I want to create one |
| 15:03.13 | jak2000 | jmcnaught any advice? |
| 15:03.15 | iwkse | but I don't see how to save it, no options like odt |
| 15:04.14 | jmcnaught | iwkse: file > save as... > save file as type: opendocument (.odt) |
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| 15:05.52 | iwkse | jmcnaught: I don't see it between the types |
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| 15:06.24 | jmcnaught | jak2000: there are two ways that Debian handles interface names. The traditional method with udev rules, and the new systemd-networkd way. which one are you asking about? |
| 15:06.26 | iwkse | version 3.0.1 |
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| 15:07.20 | jmcnaught | iwkse: it works on jessie. if that option isn't there for you on stretch/sid then you could ask in the testing/unstable channel |
| 15:07.41 | iwkse | jmcnaught: thanks, please can you write the name of it? |
| 15:07.57 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell iwkse about debian-next |
| 15:07.57 | pingfloyd | jak2000: if you want to enable it, you need to use 'net.ifnames=1' kernel parameter |
| 15:08.03 | iwkse | jmcnaught: thank you! |
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| 15:08.49 | jak2000 | pingfloyd: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=1" |
| 15:08.53 | iwkse | jmcnaught: do you have idea why it isn't on freenode? |
| 15:08.53 | jak2000 | and the end of grub file? |
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| 15:09.18 | jmcnaught | iwkse: OFTC is the official IRC network of Debian for 10 years now. This is the only channel left on freenode. |
| 15:09.19 | pingfloyd | jak2000: so I would first try it manually by hitting e key on grub menu and adding that. If it works, then edit /etc/default/grub and add that parameter to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= and run update-grub and rebbot |
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| 15:09.48 | iwkse | jmcnaught: ah okey |
| 15:09.50 | pingfloyd | jak2000: yeah, that's how you can make it default to using it |
| 15:09.53 | sslb | Any of you guys familiar with why I would be getting 404 errors when trying to access my site via HTTPS? I'm getting 404's for everything except the main site. |
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| 15:10.33 | jmcnaught | sslb: most likely an error in your webserver configuration. |
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| 15:11.01 | pingfloyd | jak2000: except not at the end of the grub file. just edit the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= line in /etc/default/grub to include it |
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| 15:11.52 | jak2000 | ok |
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| 15:12.11 | pingfloyd | jak2000: after you edit that, then you run update-grub so it will be in effect when you boot |
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| 15:12.18 | sslb | jmcnaught: I'm forwarding via HTTPS using .htaccess file. Main domain loads fine. As soon as I try to load any other page I get the 404. Anything specific to look at in the apache2 config? |
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| 15:13.28 | sslb | jmcnaught: If I'm doing it via htaccess, do I need anything in default-ssl.conf for apache2? |
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| 15:13.47 | jmcnaught | sslb: are you using rewrite rules? try the redirect method here, and move that rule into your virtualhost file: https://wiki.apache.org/httpd/RedirectSSL |
| 15:13.51 | jak2000 | pingfloyd ok |
| 15:13.52 | jak2000 | testing... |
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| 15:15.00 | frozengeek | hej, is anybody else here having kernel panics on jessie when running docker? the moment I throw some load on a docker container in our jenkins (pip install a lot of packages) i get a kernel panic. |
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| 15:15.18 | jmcnaught | sslb: i would need to know more details to be able to say what you need to do in default-ssl.conf |
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| 15:15.40 | sslb | jmcnaught: got it working. I had to add details about the domain in default-ssl.conf. Redirecting to https via .htaccess file works fine now. |
| 15:15.40 | jmcnaught | sslb: but my guess is that your rewrite rule is wrong |
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| 15:15.56 | jak2000 | pingfloyd continue same problem |
| 15:15.59 | jak2000 | not answer pping |
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| 15:16.07 | sslb | jmcnaught: rewrite rule was correct, just had to enable the domain in the apache config for SSL |
| 15:16.15 | sslb | jmcnaught: thanks for the hlep |
| 15:16.21 | jak2000 | after type: sudo ifdown eth0 and sudo ifup th0 |
| 15:16.28 | jmcnaught | sslb: oh i see. still you should consider moving all of that out of the .htaccess and into a vhost file |
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| 15:17.04 | sslb | jmcnaught: just wondering, but why put it in the vhost vs .htaccess? Cleaner? |
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| 15:17.46 | mtcj | Is there a general consensus on good/bad regarding .htaccess? |
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| 15:18.06 | jak2000 | pingfloyd arg now sudo ifdown eth0 say me eth0 isnt configured :( |
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| 15:18.38 | jmcnaught | they slow down access for one thing: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/howto/htaccess.html#when |
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| 15:19.52 | mtcj | Oh OK, perfect answer to my question too. |
| 15:20.23 | mtcj | For some reason I thought they shouldn't be used but forgot when they must be. |
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| 15:20.48 | jmcnaught | basically only when you can't configure the webserver as root |
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| 15:21.03 | pingfloyd | jak2000: looks like you also have to rename /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules.old so they don't get used |
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| 15:21.17 | jak2000 | rename and reboot? |
| 15:21.53 | mtcj | udevadm control --reload-rules |
| 15:21.59 | mtcj | May be good enough |
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| 15:23.43 | mtcj | There are a bunch of potential solutions for situations in which a person really doesn't want to reboot. |
| 15:24.26 | jmcnaught | for something like renaming interfaces i'd want to reboot at least once to confirm that when a reboot eventually does happen it will come back online |
| 15:24.35 | mtcj | Ok |
| 15:25.04 | mtcj | Otherwise you're stuck going "what did I do to get that result last time?" and cussing |
| 15:25.17 | pingfloyd | yeah, I'd do a reboot at some point before considering it "solved" |
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| 15:25.40 | pingfloyd | nothing worse than a surprise a month later like that when it is no longer fresh in your mind |
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| 16:04.16 | jak2000 | pingfloyd |
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| 16:05.34 | jak2000 | is empty: /etc/udev/rules.d/ need back: from: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=1" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" |
| 16:05.52 | jak2000 | and i am same pont need type: sudo ifdown eth0 and sudo ifup eth0 |
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| 16:07.02 | OerHeks | i thought it is: "net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0" |
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| 16:08.27 | yokisuci | Only I that for some reason can't create a shortcut with the Super key in gnome 2.20? |
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| 16:13.42 | de-facto | Guys, how would i protect my server against this MySQL Exploit that was released yesterday? http://legalhackers.com/advisories/MySQL-Exploit-Remote-Root-Code-Execution-Privesc-CVE-2016-6662.html |
| 16:14.09 | jelly | dpkg: cve lookup CVE-2016-6662 |
| 16:14.10 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2016-6662 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-6662 |
| 16:14.15 | de-facto | something like "sudo touch /var/lib/mysql/.my.cnf /var/lib/mysql/my.cnf" ? |
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| 16:15.18 | de-facto | reads a bit scary to be honest, yet unfixed... |
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| 16:17.26 | jelly | it's just another vuln really, DO NOT PANIC |
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| 16:17.53 | jelly | but do try to understand and apply mitigation if known |
| 16:18.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not panic |
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| 16:18.36 | jelly | it's seldom a productive use of your time |
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| 16:18.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | tell that to the news agencies |
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| 16:19.05 | de-facto | yeah i wont panic, im just trying to understand what i can do to prevent exploitation since its public now and many will play with it i guess |
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| 16:26.43 | cart_man | Hey guys...where can I find rootFs od Wheezy? |
| 16:26.45 | cart_man | of` |
| 16:27.18 | jelly | cart_man: debian does not ship ready-made tarballs, you're supposed to use the installer |
| 16:27.36 | jelly | or debootstrap |
| 16:27.50 | jelly | !debootstrap |
| 16:27.51 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 16:29.55 | cart_man | Actually I just want to install wheezy on an IMX6 |
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| 16:46.45 | bumbar_ | i'm getting permission denied error when i try to connect to ipc (unix domain socket) file in python. file has 777 permissions, path is correct |
| 16:46.53 | jelly | cart_man: which specific board? |
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| 16:47.39 | cart_man | jelly: Wandboard |
| 16:47.40 | greycat | bumbar_: make the file permissions what they are SUPPOSED to be (not 777), and then check the DIRECTORY permissions leading up to it -- your user needs +x (search) on every dir. |
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| 16:49.32 | bumbar_ | greycat, what are they supposed to be? script accessing the file is running under different user |
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| 16:49.54 | greycat | If you want every user on the entire system to be able to read and write a file, it would be 666. |
| 16:50.19 | bumbar_ | and 644 for directory? |
| 16:50.24 | greycat | GODS NO |
| 16:50.32 | greycat | 755 is a good default for directories. |
| 16:50.40 | greycat | Directories need +x (search) or they're broken. |
| 16:50.48 | bigterd | 777? |
| 16:50.56 | greycat | Putting a gratuitous +x on FILES (including sockets) is a bad idea. |
| 16:50.57 | bigterd | i always use that for bullshit installs |
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| 16:51.10 | bumbar_ | ok. but why does search need +x, and not just +r? |
| 16:51.17 | greycat | !permissions |
| 16:51.17 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read «info coreutils 'File Permissions'», http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 16:51.41 | greycat | On a DIRECTORY, +r lets you read the names of the files in the directory, and +x lets you actually open them. |
| 16:51.55 | greycat | (Further subject to the individual file permissions). |
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| 16:52.32 | greycat | A directory with +x but not +r lets you access files whose names you know (or can guess), but hides the contents. |
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| 17:04.25 | jelly | de-facto: but hey, I found a workaround for a similar issue on a machine... |
| 17:04.39 | jelly | [19:02] ~ # cat /var/lib/mysql/my.cnf |
| 17:04.39 | jelly | # This file must exist - CAN-2003-0150, DSA-303 |
| 17:05.06 | jelly | before CVE were called CVE :-) |
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| 17:07.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I CVE, there for I exist? Why do I exist, because I CAN? |
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| 17:10.06 | Jaga-Jaga | I upgraded my debian and now it doesnt display images and icons... |
| 17:10.17 | greycat | Upgraded from what to what? |
| 17:10.39 | Jaga-Jaga | greycat: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 17:10.52 | greycat | "From one snapshot of testing/unstable to another"? |
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| 17:11.14 | Jaga-Jaga | greycat: could be. now what ? |
| 17:11.19 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 17:11.20 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:11.52 | th0r__ | th0r |
| 17:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh. 'could be' still lacks a certain specificity |
| 17:12.13 | greycat | It means "yes". |
| 17:12.34 | greycat | It also implies "I am trying to be vague in order to deceive you." |
| 17:12.44 | greycat | User is not acting in good faith. |
| 17:12.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | $ yes 'could be' |
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| 17:39.04 | de-facto | jelly wow thats an old one, how come those arent created by default when mysql package is installed? |
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| 17:39.30 | jelly | probably because that one was also _fixed_ in 2003 |
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| 17:55.43 | anddam | is it safe to set system locale to en_XX.UTF-8? |
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| 17:55.54 | anddam | safe as in not having odd issues when ssh'ing into the box |
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| 17:56.29 | greycat | I can't even parse the question. Is XX literal or a placeholder for something? Why are you even setting a default locale at all? What goal are you aiming to achieve? |
| 17:56.30 | anddam | options are None, C, en_GB.UTF-8 (I picked GB for date default) |
| 17:56.52 | anddam | greycat: I set up a VPS, flashed a debian, installed tmux and got https://gist.github.com/anddam/e3886b1820cb443dc77576302913f61f |
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| 17:57.12 | anddam | quick check (also it happened to me already) and I know I had to reconfigure package locales |
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| 17:57.59 | greycat | anddam: so there is no local console to worry about. ALL of your sessions are over ssh? Then use the setup on https://wiki.debian.org/Locale with no default locale in dpkg-reconfigure, but a conditional override in /etc/profile |
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| 17:58.31 | anddam | I am following Locale and ChangeLanguage from wiki |
| 17:58.43 | anddam | no default meaning None at this ncurses prompt, right? |
| 17:59.00 | anddam | and yes, all my session are going to be via ssh, unless I happen to travel to Latvia |
| 17:59.01 | greycat | The default locale that dpkg-reconfigure sets up is broken as hell. It overrides the client's env variables in an ssh session, which is absolutely NOT the right thing to do. |
| 17:59.05 | jelly | anddam: if you need just the date format, why not set just LC_TIME instead of the whole LANG |
| 17:59.43 | anddam | jelly: because I never really understood how locale works, I just remember UK's default is saner thatn the MM/DD/YY madness |
| 17:59.54 | anddam | s/thatn/than |
| 17:59.55 | greycat | Granted, I may be more sensitive to this than the average user, since I frequently (including right now) use a non-UTF8 terminal as a client. |
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| 18:00.18 | anddam | greycat: I see the point in env vars overriding |
| 18:00.26 | anddam | rather the point against it |
| 18:00.50 | alphazulu | what is the command for echo <package> ____ |dpkg --set-selections to remove or uninstall? |
| 18:01.02 | greycat | If you're on a box with a Latin-1 terminal some day and you ssh in, you want the locale of your ssh session to be Latin-1 (iso88591) and not UTF-8. |
| 18:01.09 | jelly | anddam: edit /etc/default/locale, if you want UTF-8, set LANG=C.UTF-8 in one row, LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8 in another |
| 18:01.21 | greycat | So blasting the fuck out of everything with that pam crap that dpkg-reconfigure sets up is just wrong. |
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| 18:01.37 | jelly | anddam: leave obsolete systems unable to cope with UTF-8 to greycat |
| 18:01.43 | greycat | Meh. Or just blast the fuck out of it like jelly is telling you to. |
| 18:01.43 | anddam | ok |
| 18:02.01 | anddam | jelly: why C for LANG? |
| 18:02.05 | greycat | It'll work for linux clients built after 201something so it MUST BE OK RIIIIGHT!!!? |
| 18:02.24 | jelly | anddam: because it's the default and you did not specify any preference |
| 18:02.34 | anddam | ok, what about the curses dialog? |
| 18:02.35 | jelly | well. Technically C / POSIX is the default. |
| 18:02.43 | greycat | anddam: that is dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:03.01 | anddam | yes, but it's still there waiting, should I set None as you suggested, kill it (danger!) or what? |
| 18:03.08 | greycat | I give up. |
| 18:03.11 | jelly | none is also ok |
| 18:03.14 | greycat | Do whatever you're going to do. |
| 18:03.46 | anddam | greycat: you said to set None, but then jelly suggested something that seemed alternative and then you gave "do as jelly suggests" alternative |
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| 18:03.56 | jelly | greycat: there are other silliness involving locale and ssh. |
| 18:04.00 | greycat | Yes, but I was using sarcasm tags. Couldn't you see them? |
| 18:04.02 | anddam | it's not clear at all (to me) what I'm supposed to do in order to follow jelly's advice |
| 18:04.18 | anddam | absolutely not |
| 18:04.55 | jelly | like Debian's enforcement of SendEnv in global ssh_config, when it's impossible to UnSetEnv in ~/.ssh/ |
| 18:05.02 | greycat | jelly: I am guessing I have slightly more experience at this particular configuration than you do. |
| 18:05.13 | anddam | jelly: "also ok" along with? does setting C.UTF-8 in dpkg-reconfigure set the /etc/default/locale you suggested? |
| 18:05.30 | jelly | anddam: no, that just sets LANG |
| 18:06.09 | anddam | yep, I just picked C.UTF-8 and it set LANG in /etc/default/locale, now adding LC_TIME and I'd be set |
| 18:06.13 | jelly | greycat: probably, I gave up around 2010 |
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| 18:06.53 | jelly | UnSendEnv* ... it doesn't exist anyway |
| 18:06.56 | anddam | and then a run of locale-gen |
| 18:07.17 | greycat | Why would you want to UnSendEnv? |
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| 18:08.16 | jelly | because different kinds of legacy crap sshd's, that bork on envvars |
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| 18:09.29 | anddam | thanks for the info |
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| 18:12.32 | anddam | my options for using python3.5 are either backport to jessie or move to testing, right? |
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| 18:13.20 | greycat | ,v python3.5 |
| 18:13.21 | judd | Package: python3.5 on amd64 -- stretch: 3.5.2-4; sid: 3.5.2-5 |
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| 18:13.57 | greycat | Well, your options are 1) try to backport stretch's package, 2) build upstream 3.5 instead of using a package, 3) upgrade to stretch |
| 18:14.15 | jelly | anddam: backporting is probably an impossible task, it'd be a lot easier to have a local build in a separate prefix |
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| 18:14.18 | greycat | or 4) switch to something other than Debian, either natively or in a VM |
| 18:14.24 | anddam | is a third party repo with a binary an option? I figure someone else uses python on debian |
| 18:14.35 | greycat | Using third-party packages is not on my list. |
| 18:14.38 | babilen | Intalling to /usr/local (with stow) is probably the most maintainable solution |
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| 18:14.41 | babilen | I wouldn't backport it |
| 18:14.58 | anddam | this VPS has few image templates and debian is by far what I'm most familiar with |
| 18:15.11 | anddam | other being centos, fedora and scientific linux |
| 18:15.14 | babilen | Shouldn't be too hard to compile .. I have done it frequently with other Python versions in the past and it never turned out to be too hard |
| 18:15.14 | jelly | anddam: some of the packages in debian use debian's python3. You probably do not want to break them |
| 18:15.22 | anddam | jelly: mm right |
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| 18:16.04 | greycat | I'm not well versed in python, but I would certainly prefer building upstream over the other options if backporting turns out to be even slightly challenging. Which it would probably be, since there isn't already a backport. |
| 18:16.12 | jelly | there's a variant of 3) that's "have a stretch chroot" |
| 18:16.16 | babilen | anddam: Just build the upstream source, install it to /usr/local/stow/python3.5, stow it and be done |
| 18:16.26 | babilen | dpkg: stow usage |
| 18:16.27 | dpkg | A quick intro to <stow>: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version && make && make install; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. See also <usrlocal>. |
| 18:17.01 | babilen | To give proper advice we probably have to know what you are planning to do with it |
| 18:17.20 | anddam | I'm familiar with stow |
| 18:17.29 | babilen | Good (not everyone is) |
| 18:17.31 | anddam | what I'm going to do with python or with stow? |
| 18:17.48 | babilen | I don't understand that question |
| 18:17.56 | anddam | " babilen | To give proper advice we probably have to know what you are planning to do with it" |
| 18:18.09 | babilen | Ah .. with Python |
| 18:18.31 | babilen | stow is just a proposal, not a solution or anything like that |
| 18:18.37 | anddam | run a couple webapps |
| 18:18.51 | babilen | So you want to host webpages using it? |
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| 18:20.41 | anddam | sorta, I figure any webapp is made of "webpages" |
| 18:20.52 | anddam | this is a sandbox and I'm experimenting with django |
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| 18:21.16 | greycat | The actually relevant question here is "what are you planning to do that specifically needs py3.5 instead of py3.4" |
| 18:21.27 | babilen | Sorry, I should have been more specific. I was referring to "hosting production websites that are accessible to the internet" |
| 18:21.48 | anddam | it's not strictly necessary (I haven't revised the 3.5 changelog yet) but I'd like to have the option to try new features |
| 18:21.57 | babilen | greycat: It's newer, therefore better ;) |
| 18:22.01 | greycat | !sns |
| 18:22.01 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 18:22.35 | abrotman | !worked in 2.4 |
| 18:22.36 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 18:22.38 | abrotman | hides |
| 18:22.52 | anddam | babilen: well that seems to be actually true, I'm still watching the pycon talks tho' so I don't know the specifics |
| 18:22.53 | greycat | Man, that one's old. |
| 18:23.07 | anddam | when 25 cents bought you a car |
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| 18:23.21 | greycat | Pssht, you mean a horse, right? |
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| 18:23.51 | babilen | anddam: You have many options .. really :) |
| 18:24.14 | anddam | I meant the carriage with those evil mechanical horses inside |
| 18:24.43 | anddam | otherwise that wouldn't make sense, 2.6 wasn't out in late 1800s |
| 18:24.43 | babilen | Just pick you poison. I just track sid on my laptop and am happy with it, but I wouldn't develop code for a platform that doesn't exist yet. |
| 18:24.56 | anddam | the platform exists |
| 18:25.00 | anddam | oh you meant stretch |
| 18:25.07 | greycat | I *certainly* do not recommend using sid on an exposed web server. |
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| 18:25.16 | anddam | I was referring to the language |
| 18:25.28 | anddam | ok thanks again for all the info |
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| 18:27.08 | babilen | anddam: I meant: You obviusly wouldn't run it on stretch/sid in production, so there is no point in developing against that platform. There's nothing wrong with trying new features, but it really depends on what you want to do. |
| 18:27.38 | babilen | If you want to run a production system, then you should take a look at what versions are being offered by current releases and pick you platform accordingly |
| 18:28.00 | jelly | babilen: it could be said it's arrogant of a distro to think a platform doesn't exist just because they haven't shipped... ask any developer! |
| 18:28.05 | babilen | This might mean that you develop against Python 3.4 or that you target Ubuntu or one of the many other alternatives |
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| 18:28.42 | babilen | jelly: Make Ops and deployment people happy by developing against a platform that is easy to maintain is good |
| 18:29.00 | babilen | If that means that you have to switch to a different distribution, so be it |
| 18:29.11 | babilen | I mean .. pick one thing and arrange the rest around it |
| 18:29.16 | anddam | babilen: I don't expect to be using any 3.5 specific feature since I'm still moving from old 2.7 habits to 3.x |
| 18:29.23 | anddam | but it was nice to have the option |
| 18:29.29 | anddam | also I was suggested https://github.com/yyuu/pyenv |
| 18:29.53 | jelly | or that the distro is irrelevant, and devs just mix and match from pip (or maven or cpan or whatever) |
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| 18:31.12 | babilen | jelly: Sure, that's fine for modules, but you'd still run it on $something that ships a number of Python versions |
| 18:32.00 | babilen | Just trying to say: Don't just pick the newest version and make it impossible to shio your code without it if you can avoid it and thereby make it a *lot* easier to deploy your code |
| 18:32.40 | anddam | babilen: in my case my goal is to play with new 3.5 features as well |
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| 18:33.24 | anddam | so I understand the point against "new shiny shit" but here that's actually part of the game |
| 18:33.57 | babilen | anddam: Then you definitely need Python 3.5 :) |
| 18:34.12 | babilen | (which is fair game and there's nothing wrong with it) |
| 18:34.36 | jelly | anddam: I hear ubuntu 16.04 LTS is nice this time of year |
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| 18:35.06 | anddam | checks packages.ubuntu.com |
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| 18:35.12 | jelly | 3.5.1 |
| 18:35.29 | jelly | anddam: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/python3.5 |
| 18:35.44 | babilen | Yeah, xenial is a decent pick |
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| 18:35.51 | anddam | mm I see |
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| 18:35.55 | anddam | and yep, they have an ubuntu image |
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| 18:36.27 | anddam | I may go with that, I never felt the need for it in like 10 years and stick with debian |
| 18:36.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | except that it's 'buntu |
| 18:36.42 | anddam | thanks again |
| 18:36.55 | babilen | anddam: Ah, so this is on a VM? |
| 18:36.56 | jelly | they're not going to put py3.5 out of support |
| 18:37.05 | anddam | yep |
| 18:37.05 | greycat | VPS, I believe. |
| 18:37.13 | `Kevin | do a local 3.5 build of python and use virtualenv :P |
| 18:37.19 | anddam | and yes again |
| 18:37.31 | babilen | anddam: If that's the case then just picking xenial might be the easiest option |
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| 18:38.57 | jelly | is imagining resident distro fanbois with a big question mark above their heads right now |
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| 18:39.28 | anddam | "fanbois" has a French sound to it |
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| 18:39.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | .oO( ???????? ) |
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| 18:39.55 | jelly | anddam: it's not read that way! |
| 18:40.22 | Coweater | stable seems to lack the 'systemd edit' command, how do i modify a unit manually? |
| 18:40.42 | anddam | thanks again, bye |
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| 18:40.55 | jelly | Coweater: make a copy from /lib/.../ to /etc/systemd/system and edit it, I guess |
| 18:41.18 | greycat | Coweater: create /etc/systemd/system/whatever.service with overrides for the specific values you want to override |
| 18:41.54 | jelly | also fun: mkdir /etc/systemd/system/whatever.service.d/ and put snippets there |
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| 18:43.02 | jelly | greycat: wait, isn't /etc/systemd/system/whatever.service a complete replacement for the system one |
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| 18:44.27 | greycat | I'd have to run some experiments. (Which would be faster than trying to find an answer in documentation.) |
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| 18:47.38 | jelly | probably documented on the archlinux wiki |
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| 18:50.44 | greycat | Just tested. Used cron.service because it's really small and simple, and I found a no-op option in the man page (-L 1 reinforced the default logging level). |
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| 18:50.57 | greycat | ~$ cat /etc/systemd/system/cron.service |
| 18:50.57 | greycat | [Service] |
| 18:50.57 | greycat | ExecStart=/usr/sbin/cron -L 1 -f $EXTRA_OPTS |
| 18:51.18 | greycat | Did the daemon-reload, then restart cron, and it worked as I expected. |
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| 18:52.47 | greycat | I think the /etc/systemd/system/foo.service.d/ option is there for situations where multiple programs might all want to make individual non-overlapping changes to the unit. Which seems uncommon. |
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| 18:58.17 | teraflops | yeah you put .conf snippets there to override or add new options |
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| 19:54.45 | cart_man | greycat: Ok but then atleast g++-multilib must install right? |
| 19:54.48 | cart_man | it does not |
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| 19:55.49 | greycat | wheezy has a g++-4.7-multilib package |
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| 19:57.44 | badloop | what the heck happened with slapd on jessie? |
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| 19:57.53 | badloop | deps with perl are totally broken |
| 19:57.54 | j`ey | just downloaded the deb8 LiveCD, having trouble logging in |
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| 19:58.22 | j`ey | is there a default useer/password? |
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| 19:59.36 | valerius | root:toor, maybe |
| 19:59.39 | cart_man | greycat: Sais unable to locate package |
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| 19:59.59 | j`ey | valerius: nope |
| 20:00.07 | greycat | cart_man: are you quite sure you have valid wheezy sources.list and have done apt-get update? |
| 20:00.13 | j`ey | this is annoying :( |
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| 20:00.41 | valerius | j`ey: maybe, it's in readme's? |
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| 20:00.48 | cart_man | greycat: I have yes |
| 20:00.58 | badloop | j`ey: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30842216/debian-8-live-cd-what-is-the-standard-login-and-password |
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| 20:01.11 | j`ey | badloop: it doesn't work |
| 20:01.24 | greycat | !live password |
| 20:01.24 | dpkg | The debian-live images for Debian 8 "Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live |
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| 20:01.33 | j`ey | wtf, now i must have mistyped |
| 20:01.43 | j`ey | I mean, mistyped before |
| 20:01.51 | j`ey | thanks, I logged in now |
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| 20:02.27 | teraflops | badloop: which deps are you talking about? slapd installs with 0 issue in jessie |
| 20:02.35 | badloop | teraflops: perl-base |
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| 20:03.05 | teraflops | do you have perl pakages installed via cpan or whatever? |
| 20:03.10 | badloop | nope |
| 20:03.12 | badloop | vanilla install |
| 20:03.15 | badloop | perl : Depends: perl-base (= 5.20.2-3+deb8u5) but 5.20.2-3+deb8u6 is to be installed |
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| 20:03.41 | teraflops | badloop: did you do apt-get update before installing it? |
| 20:03.44 | greycat | ,v perl-base |
| 20:03.45 | judd | Package: perl-base on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 5.14.2-21+deb7u4; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u5; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.20.2-3+deb8u6; jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u6; stretch: 5.22.2-3; sid: 5.22.2-5; experimental: 5.24.1~rc3-1 |
| 20:03.49 | badloop | yep |
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| 20:04.02 | badloop | ooooooooohhhhh |
| 20:04.09 | badloop | wait.. no... hmmm |
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| 20:04.13 | teraflops | heh |
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| 20:04.31 | badloop | nope.. i only have stable in my apt sources |
| 20:04.34 | greycat | Getting perl-base from security or proposed-updates but perl from a base jessie mirror? |
| 20:04.43 | badloop | stable main |
| 20:04.45 | badloop | thats it |
| 20:04.54 | greycat | No security or proposed-updatess? |
| 20:04.58 | teraflops | mind pasting your soueces.list? |
| 20:05.06 | teraflops | sources* |
| 20:05.15 | badloop | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 20:05.17 | badloop | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 20:05.32 | badloop | frack... its contrib isnt it... |
| 20:05.40 | greycat | No. It's nothing to do with contrib. |
| 20:05.44 | badloop | hmmm... |
| 20:06.00 | greycat | It's the LACK OF SECURITY or PROPOSED-UPDATES when you USED to have those in the past but now you've removed them. |
| 20:06.23 | badloop | ? |
| 20:06.36 | missmbob | you had more sources in there when it was installed by default |
| 20:06.38 | greycat | So you've got a post-basic-jessie package (perl-base) but the matching perl package from basic-jessie is older. |
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| 20:06.45 | badloop | actually i dont |
| 20:06.51 | greycat | You don't what? |
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| 20:07.11 | badloop | this is a vanilla install with this source list and a few packages added... its a vm template i've used for several machines |
| 20:07.20 | greycat | Just add the god damned security line. |
| 20:07.23 | badloop | sources.list has been this from the get go |
| 20:07.33 | teraflops | !sources.list |
| 20:07.33 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 20:08.19 | teraflops | I personally dislike the httpredir thingy |
| 20:08.20 | greycat | You can live without jessie-updates if you prefer. Going without security updates is not only STUPID, but is also the direct cause of your current problem. |
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| 20:09.58 | teraflops | I live in spain and the fastest mirror for me is from finland ⦠that's why I dislike the httpredir thingy |
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| 20:10.23 | greycat | I hate httpredir also. I've had too many errors with it. |
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| 20:10.50 | teraflops | from finland I donwload at 40MB/s from spain I do at 2.5MB/s ^ |
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| 20:20.32 | Silent | Hello everyone |
| 20:20.56 | Silent | I am trying to install Debian on my desktop but my keyboard no longer works after the EFI menu. What should I do? |
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| 20:21.28 | Storfiskaren | Silent: Do you have another keyboard to test with? |
| 20:21.48 | Silent | Storfiskaren: No USB keyboards work, I actually tried |
| 20:22.01 | Storfiskaren | Silent: I have a keyboard that doesn't work until the login screen as well, so I have an old ps2 to connect when I need to do BIOS stuff |
| 20:22.33 | Silent | Storfiskaren: That is very clever, unfortunately I don't have any PS/2 ports on this motherboard.. :( |
| 20:22.34 | SiCC | Silent: have you tried the USB 2.0 port rather than 3.0? |
| 20:22.46 | Silent | SiCC: I have, same result unfortunately |
| 20:22.54 | SiCC | i had this issue related to the iommu setting in the bios, could try toggling that as well |
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| 20:25.02 | Silent | SiCC: Storfiskaren Thanks, I resolved the issue :) |
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| 20:25.20 | Silent | I just had a look at the ports again and apparently I DO have a PS/2 connector, I confused this PC with another one |
| 20:25.32 | Silent | The PS/2 keyboard worked like a charm |
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| 20:29.07 | Silent | I really hate the new EFI... Just causes problems all the time |
| 20:29.16 | Silent | No benefit |
| 20:29.47 | teraflops | Silent: blame the vendors |
| 20:30.19 | Silent | teraflops: Yeah... Even though I heard that EFI is supposed to be faster and should be standarized |
| 20:30.27 | teraflops | hehe |
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| 20:34.30 | Agiofws | hey |
| 20:34.52 | Agiofws | would anyone know what o look for if i can't hear sound from youtube? |
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| 20:35.31 | l0llip0p | Agiofws: pulse or alsa? Which version of debian? |
| 20:35.31 | greycat | Do other applications play sound correctly? |
| 20:36.01 | Agiofws | l0llip0p, stable |
| 20:36.07 | Agiofws | yes they do |
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| 20:37.03 | Agiofws | i i think i killed pulseaudio in the afternoon it was consuming 100% |
| 20:37.37 | Agiofws | no init.d/ process in that directory that refers to pulseauio |
| 20:37.53 | Agiofws | E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. |
| 20:37.54 | Agiofws | E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. |
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| 20:41.47 | frikinz | Is there a tool that can warn me with an email when a remote port becomes (un)reachable? |
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| 20:42.37 | greycat | You could write something to do that. |
| 20:42.58 | preaction | frikinz: nagios, icinga, zabbix, naemon, shinken, etc... |
| 20:44.07 | jelly | which nagios clone/fork/reimplementation is used by the popular kids these days |
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| 20:45.16 | frikinz | I need a tool just for this, not a complete framework :) something like https://archive.debian.net/sarge/checkservice |
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| 20:45.55 | frikinz | well this one seems to big also as it depends on php |
| 20:46.23 | preaction | jelly: i just installed icinga 2 and i've been really liking it (despite the install procedure for the web part being a bit onerous). my last job used shinken |
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| 20:46.32 | preaction | current job uses nagios |
| 20:47.24 | frikinz | Thanks everyone. I'll code it yeah |
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| 20:48.59 | jelly | shinken is python, and checks are separate anyway |
| 20:49.32 | jelly | I'm using shinken to watch half a dozen machines, but if I didn't know how nagios worked in the first place I'd probably be lost |
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| 20:49.53 | jelly | (and nagios/xi at $work) |
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| 20:51.59 | preaction | eh. i figure it's useful information to know. but sure you could shell script netcat -z and use mail to send mail if it fails |
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| 20:57.18 | jelly | even if "is there a tcp listener" doesn't really answer "does the service actually work" |
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| 20:58.18 | greycat | But it does let you catch *some* of the failure cases at least. |
| 20:58.43 | greycat | You can get the simple "is it accepting TCP" checker up and running in 10 minutes and then work on the harder problem. |
| 20:59.28 | jelly | I'd probably install some subset of monitoring-plugins (ex nagios plugins) and use whichever check_* command is most appropriate. |
| 20:59.30 | preaction | right, but the harder problems are generally better-served by the monitoring apps that eist |
| 21:00.13 | preaction | my previous-previous job did a lot of reinventing monitoring using perl and python scripts run by cron. and it was disastrous. |
| 21:00.15 | jelly | frikinz, what kind of service is it? |
| 21:01.53 | jelly | knowing someone already wrote the tcp or http or smtp checks I'd probably rather spend 10 minutes figuring out the syntax and exit codes than NIHing my own |
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| 21:02.40 | greycat | It would take me greatly longer than 10 minutes to even *locate* such a tool, let alone investigate it for suitability. |
| 21:03.30 | preaction | sure, but every line of code you write is another line you have to maintain forever. because it is forever. and also, they asked here and we answered within 10 minutes |
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| 21:04.04 | jelly | they're right under apt-get install monitoring-plugins |
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| 21:04.09 | greycat | Not forever -- just until I die. |
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| 21:06.03 | frikinz | jelly: its a bind server. root cause is that its gateway router sometimes just doesn't forward traffic anymore :) |
| 21:06.30 | greycat | Oh, then you can check it for workingness by doing a dig @"$hostname" A "$somehost" |
| 21:06.37 | frikinz | It's ok, it's for personal use. I was too lazy to code 3 lines so https://uptimerobot.com |
| 21:06.49 | frikinz | greycat: yeah just want the mail at the transitions |
| 21:06.55 | frikinz | a xor would have done |
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| 21:07.31 | preaction | dig ...; if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then mail me@example.com 'DNS is down!'; fi |
| 21:07.46 | greycat | dig ... || mail blah blah |
| 21:08.07 | greycat | also you didn't feed the body to mail correctly. it should be on stdin. |
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| 21:08.47 | greycat | dig ... >/dev/null 2>&1 || mail -s "error" me@example.com <<< 'DNS is down' |
| 21:09.03 | jelly | which shell does <<< |
| 21:09.10 | greycat | bash, zsh, ksh? |
| 21:09.22 | greycat | Yes, ksh in jessie does it. |
| 21:09.35 | bipul | Is it possible to get the details of each PE on a disk. |
| 21:09.38 | jelly | which ksh |
| 21:09.39 | jelly | hides |
| 21:09.40 | frikinz | It's unavailable since errmm 24th of August. Just realized it when ZSK for DNSSEC changed :) so I'm unreachable |
| 21:09.45 | greycat | 17:09 greycat> Yes, ksh in jessie does it. |
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| 21:10.23 | jelly | oh, there's an actual ksh package |
| 21:10.24 | greycat | frikinz: you'll want some way to ensure that mail can actually be delivered when your DNS server is down ;-) |
| 21:10.35 | greycat | jelly: Right. It became Free a few years back. |
| 21:10.46 | frikinz | greycat: that's it :)) |
| 21:10.49 | jelly | news to me! :-D |
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| 21:11.17 | jelly | probably around the same time qmail became free |
| 21:11.30 | greycat | If you're writing your script in /bin/sh then you can use echo 'DNS is down' | mail ... instead. |
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| 21:12.30 | jelly | bipul, are you talking about LVM? what kind of detail? |
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| 21:12.43 | r3m | ,v apache |
| 21:12.45 | judd | No package named 'apache' was found in amd64. |
| 21:12.46 | r3m | ,v apache2 |
| 21:12.47 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u7; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u4; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u5; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.10-10+deb8u6; sid: 2.4.23-4; stretch: 2.4.23-4 |
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| 21:12.52 | bipul | A multiple of PE makes Physical volume , http://imgur.com/a/n2egv yes jelly |
| 21:13.05 | jelly | r3m, you can /msg judd v stuff |
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| 21:13.34 | bipul | But my question is , am able to see the details location of each P.E on a disk. |
| 21:14.01 | r3m | jelly: thanks |
| 21:14.35 | greycat | bipul: You mean the three-dimensional volume of the physical object that the cables are plugged into? I doubt it.... |
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| 21:15.08 | greycat | bipul: but if you mean something quite a bit less literal, like "the offset in the mapping of the disk's storage capacity as a linear sequence of numbers", then maybe. |
| 21:15.45 | bipul | greycat, Yes. That's what i mean. It's details |
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| 21:16.32 | attente | is there a way to get a list of packages providing a virtual package? |
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| 21:17.00 | greycat | !reverse depends |
| 21:17.46 | greycat | Bah, stupid bot. |
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| 21:17.53 | greycat | attente: apt-cache showpkg mail-transport-agent |
| 21:18.09 | jelly | ,rprovides mail-transport-agent |
| 21:18.15 | judd | Package mail-transport-agent in jessie/amd64 is provided by: citadel-mta, courier-mta, dma, esmtp-run, exim4-daemon-heavy, exim4-daemon-light, lsb-invalid-mta, masqmail, msmtp-mta, nullmailer, postfix, qmail-run, sendmail-bin, ssmtp. |
| 21:18.36 | greycat | (the reverse provides is at the bottom of the showpkg output) |
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| 21:23.13 | attente | jelly: is there a command i can use that in a script with? or is what greycat suggested the best way? |
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| 21:27.01 | judd | Package apt-rdepends (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: Recursively lists package dependencies. Version: 1.3.0-3; Size: 14.5k; Installed: 64k; O: #487125 |
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| 21:39.31 | Iridos | attente, you mean all packages that provide a specific virtual one? |
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| 21:39.46 | attente | Iridos: yeah |
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| 21:40.00 | Iridos | which one |
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| 21:40.08 | jelly | bipul, you can also ask in #lvm |
| 21:40.42 | attente | greycat's suggestion of apt-cache showpkg is ok, just isn't as nice to parse |
| 21:40.46 | bipul | jelly, Thank you Yes i am there as well as googling myself |
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| 21:41.13 | bipul | I got some hints http://serverfault.com/questions/510895/find-file-by-block-number-on-ext3-fs-on-lvm |
| 21:41.16 | Iridos | aptitude search '?provides(myvirtualpackage)' |
| 21:41.17 | attente | Iridos: it's for scripting, it's not for a specific package |
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| 21:42.01 | karimb | hello folks, i m trying to use the debian cloud image in straight kvm and it s panicking on boot. any hint? |
| 21:42.22 | karimb | it does work second time after forcefully shutting down the vm |
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| 21:43.18 | mtcj | Freenode needs to spray some starch on the cloth covering that self destruct button. |
| 21:43.22 | jelly | debian has a cloud image? |
| 21:44.03 | mtcj | Where's the info on that? |
| 21:44.11 | mtcj | Sounds interesting. |
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| 21:44.55 | teraflops | cloud sounds too vague |
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| 21:47.41 | zykotick9 | reminds everyone "there is no cloud, just other people's computers"... |
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| 21:49.23 | jelly | karimb, where does one download this, presumably official, cloud image from? |
| 21:50.04 | karimb | jelly http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/openstack/current/debian-8.5.0-openstack-amd64.qcow2 |
| 21:50.04 | Iridos | from the cloud :-} |
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| 21:52.05 | teraflops | â
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| 21:53.52 | jelly | nice |
| 21:54.51 | jelly | karimb, maybe ask in, um, #debian-cloud channel over on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org) |
| 21:54.59 | karimb | jelly cool |
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| 21:59.47 | teraflops | karimb: that image boots here using virt-manager ^ |
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| 22:00.24 | teraflops | karimb: |
| 22:00.27 | teraflops | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.27 | karimb | teraflops then there s something i m doing wrong i guess |
| 22:00.34 | teraflops | heh i guess so |
| 22:00.57 | karimb | well actually im booting a disk which uses this image as backend |
| 22:00.59 | karimb | teraflops ^ |
| 22:01.20 | karimb | it does work on my openstack setup anyway, so i m doing something wrong on my kvm... |
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| 22:01.41 | teraflops | what's your KVM? |
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| 22:03.30 | jelly | running a fake cloud? |
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| 22:09.40 | Iridos | a fake cloud? as opposed to running a real cloud? |
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| 22:10.42 | jelly | nods |
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| 22:10.57 | Iridos | pft. here, we often compute in the cloud⦠specially in autumn |
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| 22:16.11 | teraflops | http://www.sansbullshitsans.com/ type cloud :P |
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| 22:20.10 | Iridos | teraflops, #debian-offtopic? |
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| 22:22.38 | teraflops | Iridos: to be fair the joke about the cloud in autumn deserves the "#debian-offtopic?" too |
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| 22:24.26 | teraflops | ah, oh now I feel dumb |
| 22:24.30 | teraflops | :S |
| 22:24.47 | teraflops | Iridos: yeah |
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| 22:28.37 | DeaDSouL | hi, how can I access the manual of 'mount.cifs' .. I can't even find it when I hit `tab` to auto-complete it... when I try `man mount.cifs` it says, there is no manual for mount.cifs |
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| 22:31.01 | jmcnaught | DeaDSouL: does "apropos cifs" find it? looks like that command and man page are in the cifs-utils package |
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| 22:33.42 | DeaDSouL | jmcnaught: i have the cifs-utils,... and the output of `apropos cifs` doesn't have 'cifs' |
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| 22:34.43 | jmcnaught | DeaDSouL: so if you run "dpkg -L cifs-utils | grep man" does it show a man page? |
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| 22:36.34 | DeaDSouL | jmcnaught: LOL, I forgot to install it on this server :D... thanks a lot bro |
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| 22:39.23 | teraflops | karimb: now I wonder about the user/passwd for login into that debian image ^ |
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| 22:39.37 | karimb | teraflops only works with cloudinit |
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| 22:39.54 | teraflops | in plain english please |
| 22:40.05 | teraflops | i see login there |
| 22:40.07 | karimb | the image has no password |
| 22:40.15 | teraflops | oh |
| 22:40.16 | karimb | you can only login using ssh keys |
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| 22:40.27 | teraflops | ah thanks |
| 22:40.27 | karimb | that you need to inject somehow |
| 22:41.34 | teraflops | the nearest thing to the cloud I use are 4 promoxVE nodes |
| 22:41.50 | karimb | teraflops :) |
| 22:41.57 | karimb | give it a shot |
| 22:42.04 | teraflops | oh I love it |
| 22:42.28 | teraflops | i meant proxmoxVE performs great |
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| 22:45.18 | DeaDSouL | about the 'whisper.credentials' file in https://wiki.debian.org/SAMBAClientSetup .... it doesn't work if I used <domain>/<username> ... but it DOES work if I only specify the username without the domain... may be that page needs to be updated ? or am I missing something ? |
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| 22:58.49 | mtcj | teraflops: thank you. |
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| 23:06.45 | cesurasean | how do i turn on selinux? |
| 23:06.51 | jelly | DeaDSouL, shouldn't that be DOMAIN\user with a backslash not a forward slash |
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| 23:07.26 | cesurasean | nevermind, read this Starting with linux kernel 2.6.35, there may be multiple security modules compiled into the kernel. In order to enable selinux, use |
| 23:07.26 | cesurasean | security=selinux |
| 23:07.38 | cesurasean | kindaof anal but ok |
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