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| 00:02.54 | DeaDSouL | how to remove all the extended permissions ? the ones shown with `getfacl PATH` ? |
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| 00:08.50 | mtcj | lxremove? |
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| 00:10.53 | mtcj | Nope setfacl |
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| 00:24.41 | cesurasean | how do i enable selinux? |
| 00:25.04 | cesurasean | i added enforcing to /etc/selinux/config |
| 00:25.07 | cesurasean | what else do i need to do? |
| 00:26.32 | cesurasean | on jessie |
| 00:26.40 | cesurasean | it's not working otherwise in a xen environment |
| 00:26.43 | cesurasean | any clue why? |
| 00:26.51 | cesurasean | been trying to edit grub2 files, but nothing works. |
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| 00:40.04 | mtcj | Any reason you're using SELinux instead of AppArmor? |
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| 00:40.59 | mtcj | selinux-activate |
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| 00:48.58 | mtcj | Where does the convention of using the .d in config directories originate? |
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| 00:52.17 | themill | mtcj: back in sysvinit, I think (splitting foo.conf into foo.conf.d) |
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| 01:35.36 | rjsalts | mtcj: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4029/what-does-the-d-stand-for-in-directory-names so it's usually just adding the .d to avoid a name conflict, e.g. /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 01:39.13 | Cosmos82 | Hello all. Having problems getting a script to start. According to the LSB Init Scripts article, the syntax of my script seems to be fine. It just fails to start at boot time. |
| 01:39.31 | Cosmos82 | Here's the script: https://paste.kde.org/p6tlhdvmi |
| 01:39.46 | Cosmos82 | What am I doing wrong? |
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| 02:07.47 | mtcj | fguillot: please turn that off |
| 02:07.58 | mtcj | rsalts: thanks |
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| 02:35.36 | cesurasean | sestatus reports selinux is disabled when i run selinux-activate |
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| 02:38.09 | mtcj | Did you reboot? |
| 02:38.12 | mtcj | https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup#Steps_to_setup_SELinux |
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| 02:40.35 | itswednesday | hi there, I compiled a kernel, but I found usb-mouse not |
| 02:40.36 | itswednesday | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:41.46 | cesurasean | yes i rebooted |
| 02:41.56 | somiaj | itswednesday: I belive they are part of the hid devices. In the debian kernel configs I see CONFIG_USB_HID=m |
| 02:42.25 | itswednesday | somiaj: I will try it, thanks |
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| 02:43.44 | itswednesday | somiaj: aha, it's already in my .config |
| 02:44.21 | cesurasean | does grub2 use /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
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| 02:47.04 | itswednesday | grub2 use /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 02:48.31 | cesurasean | selinux-activate changed all my grub, but still doesnt work |
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| 02:52.13 | cesurasean | The directories /sys/fs/selinux and /selinux are missing. |
| 02:52.19 | cesurasean | how do i fix this? |
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| 02:54.08 | cesurasean | can we update this wiki? |
| 02:54.09 | cesurasean | https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup |
| 02:54.15 | cesurasean | so it reflects correct info for jessie? |
| 02:54.21 | cesurasean | how come no one here has a secure system? |
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| 03:12.14 | cesurasean | so, without compiling a new kernel, there is no other way to use selinux with debian? |
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| 03:15.36 | AlwaysHigh | whats the best method of transfering files from windows to debian server via lan |
| 03:16.43 | pingfloyd | cesurasean: the packaged kernel should include support |
| 03:16.54 | pingfloyd | cesurasean: https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup#kernel |
| 03:17.12 | cesurasean | so why does it say those dirs are missing? |
| 03:17.21 | cesurasean | its not working, and ive followed all the online articles |
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| 03:18.16 | cesurasean | do i just need to touch /sys/fs/selinux? |
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| 03:23.32 | awal1 | I forgot to plug power cable and my machine turned off sudently. battery wont charge more then 5% since 1 hour or so. old battery, I know but how to interpret "acpi -v ---» Battery 0: Charging, 5%, 00:01:41 until charged /// Battery 0: design capacity 3534 mAh, last full capacity 1750 mAh = 49%" |
| 03:23.47 | awal1 | just a bit confused by the 49% |
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| 03:25.14 | awal1 | means battery capacity maximum charge in it's current state is 49%, eh? |
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| 03:26.59 | zykotick9 | awal1: strange... mine also reports 49% "Battery 0: design capacity 4554 mAh, last full capacity 2248 mAh = 49%" |
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| 03:28.01 | cesurasean | seems directory /selinux is not created automatically |
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| 03:29.57 | cesurasean | can someone help me confirm selinux jessie mountpoints? |
| 03:30.19 | awal1 | zykotick9, capacity percentage has been decreasing here over time (80, 68, 58.... and now 49). you 49%, similar to mine, i guess is just a casualty |
| 03:30.47 | awal1 | your 49% ^ |
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| 03:31.40 | zykotick9 | awal1: this was a 2nd hand system, the battery has had terrible life since i got it. that "acpi -V" is new to me, so thanks for that. |
| 03:32.00 | zykotick9 | s/has had/has been/ |
| 03:32.10 | awal1 | your 4554 is like 100% , so 2248 is about 50% (49%), zykotick9 |
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| 03:32.35 | zykotick9 | awal1: ya ya, i understand that it's saying = "get a new battery" ;) |
| 03:32.59 | awal1 | 49% means its not being cahrging at 100% bcuz it's old, it lost his charging capacity |
| 03:33.07 | awal1 | yeah :D |
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| 03:33.35 | awal1 | my confusion is about , in my case, 5% vs 49% |
| 03:34.00 | awal1 | wont move from 5% since 1 hour os so now |
| 03:34.14 | mtcj | Good thing batteries remain compatible for long enough that machines wear out before they become impossible to power with a battery. |
| 03:34.24 | mtcj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:35.26 | minn | is there some reason that libpcre1 isn't available through apt on debian 8? for some reason the latest upgrade broke half of everything on my machine, and that is one culprit. |
| 03:36.28 | minn | by half of everything, i suppose i meant r and everything that depends on r. |
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| 03:36.48 | awal1 | my dell machine battery was lasting like 8 hours when i bought the laptop, after 2/3 months it decreased to 2/3 hours... |
| 03:36.58 | awal1 | another machine ^ |
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| 03:37.54 | minn | i don't even bother carrying around a power cord for my chromebook |
| 03:38.43 | awal1 | ? |
| 03:40.07 | minn | battery lasts forever and it runs linux. perfect combination. |
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| 03:42.55 | awal1 | forever? :D |
| 03:43.24 | awal1 | even the sun will die someday... |
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| 03:44.21 | minn | entropy-resistant battery |
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| 03:46.17 | mtcj | The new Macbook Feather comes with a zero point energy module and a peripheral tesseract. No wires and no ports. |
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| 03:54.04 | Elronnd | the new macintosh plus comes with a builtin battery that lasts for 3 whole femptoseconds!!!! |
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| 04:00.09 | ShockValue | exit |
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| 04:03.12 | mtcj | ShockValue: over there -> |
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| 04:29.12 | xenomorph_xx_121 | hi, has anyone tried ubuntu's 'apt-snapshot-btrfs', or know whether anything similar is available or in the works? |
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| 04:31.22 | xenomorph_xx_121 | i can see another project called 'apt-btrfs-snapper' but doesnt look like there is active development on that |
| 04:32.53 | mtcj | What does the program do? |
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| 04:34.17 | xenomorph_xx_121 | mtcj: it does a snapshot every time you install/upgrade something with apt, so you can rollback if anything breaks |
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| 04:38.44 | ryouma | it would be great if there were a tool htat could do that with arbirary packages, but i suppose the fetching from upstream is not automated |
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| 04:40.57 | mtcj | Try http://nerdrug.org/blog/btrfs-in-debian-con-apt-btrfs-snapshot/ |
| 04:41.12 | mtcj | But yeah it wouldn't be supported directly |
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| 04:43.59 | xenomorph_xx_121 | mtcj: thanks. i was going to try that as well but its good to see someone has already! |
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| 04:46.00 | echosystm | i need a monitoring system that wasn't made the stone age |
| 04:46.03 | echosystm | any recommendations? |
| 04:46.32 | echosystm | my monitoring needs are very basic; 5 servers, uptime, http, OS package updates, etc. |
| 04:46.46 | cesurasean | so there is no selinux in jessie? |
| 04:46.53 | cesurasean | this is crap |
| 04:47.07 | mtcj | xenomorph_xx_121 if nothing else you can write a wrapper for apt commands to perform snapshots |
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| 04:49.34 | mtcj | cesurasean: I see some packages with the name, are you sure? (I'm not either way) |
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| 04:51.03 | xenomorph_xx_121 | echosystm: you mean not-nagios? what about an online service? |
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| 04:54.41 | mtcj | echosystm: I can also suggest a simple shell script could be written for that. |
| 04:54.44 | pingfloyd | cesurasean: did you follow these directions? https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup#Steps_to_setup_SELinux and make sure you have the requirements? |
| 04:54.50 | mtcj | If your needs are that simple. |
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| 04:55.23 | mtcj | pingfloyd: when he was talking about it before I pointed to it and he said he had. |
| 04:55.29 | cesurasean | why is there not an selinux-deactivate command? |
| 04:56.24 | mtcj | I don't know. |
| 04:56.25 | xenomorph_xx_121 | mtcj: gotta write another script to monitor-the-monitoring-system though |
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| 04:56.41 | mtcj | Again, is AppArmor not acceptable for your situation? |
| 04:56.45 | cesurasean | is there anyway to undo what selinux-activate does? |
| 04:57.12 | mtcj | I realize you're on Xen and that you may not have the permissions needed for AppArmor |
| 04:57.12 | cesurasean | mtcj, im saying for the future reference |
| 04:57.24 | mtcj | Ok |
| 04:57.39 | cesurasean | how do i rebuild grub files from scratch? |
| 04:57.40 | pingfloyd | cesurasean: that's because you use setenforce command |
| 04:57.42 | mtcj | Because I can't help you directly |
| 04:58.00 | cesurasean | pingfloyd, what do you mean? |
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| 04:58.29 | pingfloyd | cesurasean: you're asking why there isn't a selinux-deactivate command. Because it doesn't work that way. |
| 04:59.14 | pingfloyd | to change selinux mode you use setenforce command. That's how it's made. |
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| 04:59.47 | echosystm | xenomorph_xx_121: yeah anything but nagios. hoping for something a bit more modern with a decent UI. |
| 04:59.59 | echosystm | nagios would work, but i want to try some new things |
| 05:00.19 | pingfloyd | selinux isn't the simplest thing to setup and maintain |
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| 05:08.12 | cesurasean | i follow debian wiki and it does not work to install, but selinux-default-policy was taken out for jessie and will be put into sid |
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| 05:08.20 | cesurasean | so im wondering if selinux is broken on jessie |
| 05:09.16 | mtcj | It's possible |
| 05:09.54 | mtcj | A wiki page on it has some info that seems like it may be out of date, but does indicate some issues that needed resolved |
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| 05:11.01 | mtcj | echosystm: Is there another web based one that's lightweight and common? |
| 05:11.06 | mtcj | Can't remember the name |
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| 05:12.15 | pingfloyd | now we're getting somewhere. Looks like that package was removed from jessie because of bugs with it :( |
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| 05:12.23 | mtcj | Mhm |
| 05:12.39 | mtcj | echosystm: Webmin |
| 05:13.55 | pingfloyd | cesurasean: did you see this? https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/04/msg00207.html |
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| 05:20.50 | cesurasean | yes |
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| 05:27.34 | pingfloyd | cesurasean: looks like the problem is there isn't the resources to maintain a good bug free default policy package. The workaround looks like it is to use the unstable package for it (assuming you can live with its bugs), or implement your policies some other way. Kind of a bummer. |
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| 05:28.27 | pingfloyd | cesurasean: long story short, looks like you have your work cut out for you to use selinux on jessie. |
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| 05:29.09 | cesurasean | yes |
| 05:29.10 | pingfloyd | you might be better off using a different MAC project in this case assuming that's a feasible option for you. |
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| 05:32.08 | pingfloyd | cesurasean: I'm not sure what kind of state they're in with jessie, but some alternatives are grsecurity and apparmor |
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| 05:40.15 | cesurasean | now im getting failed to load the selinux policy, freezing when i boot up |
| 05:40.17 | cesurasean | sigh |
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| 05:41.18 | no_gravity | How is the /tmp/ dir supposed to be used? Can I just make a subdir in there and throw in all kinds of cache files and never care about cleaning it up? |
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| 06:02.32 | xenomorph_xx_121 | echosystm: there are some decent 'cloud' ones around i think. depends on your requirements though |
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| 06:10.16 | mtcj | no_gravity: I believe /tmp is persistent and /var/tmp is not |
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| 06:10.40 | mtcj | And I don't believe anything automatically cleans up /tmp unless it is cleaning up files it put there |
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| 06:11.35 | no_gravity | mtcj: Interesting |
| 06:12.34 | no_gravity | mtcj: looks like it's the other way roung |
| 06:12.38 | no_gravity | round |
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| 06:21.11 | tom99 | man debian is so hard to use. I really want to automate an install process, so I don't have to click the menus |
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| 06:21.34 | tom99 | Fedora is so much better, it's easy to automate cd installs in Fedora. |
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| 06:25.52 | jim | comparisons have historically been known to ruffle feathers... you may wish to avoid that |
| 06:26.30 | jim | when you say hard to use, what specifically are you finding hard? |
| 06:26.35 | zykotick9 | finds it easy to "automate" debian installs... install base system from netinst (with nothin' but "system tools" selected... then run install script for programs/settings... |
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| 06:27.19 | jim | there are also those tasks |
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| 06:28.05 | pingfloyd | or preseed |
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| 06:29.04 | zykotick9 | pingfloyd: the "ease" of preseeding could be debated ;) |
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| 06:32.31 | zykotick9 | mtcj: did you suggest webmin to someone? ohmy. you might want to see "/msg dpkg webmin" on why that's not a good suggestion. |
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| 06:34.31 | missmbob | mtcj: you're very wrong. a reboot cleans /tmp. and there are crontabs that do it between |
| 06:34.43 | missmbob | mtcj: and dont ever suggest webmin :P |
| 06:34.47 | pingfloyd | unless you've changed that |
| 06:35.01 | pingfloyd | but by default /tmp should be cleaned on each boot |
| 06:35.11 | Geom` | ^^ |
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| 06:38.35 | pingfloyd | check in /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf and /etc/tmpfiles.d/ |
| 06:38.56 | pingfloyd | default is 'D /tmp 1777 root root -' |
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| 06:48.34 | mtcj | Oh wow I had never noticed /tmp got touched. |
| 06:49.58 | mtcj | echosystm: /msg dpkg free whcp |
| 06:50.06 | mtcj | For monitoring stuff |
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| 07:00.19 | carlinpretty | Oh yeah. We're in for a real treat here. It's the infamous Scott Roberts with his latest sermon. Check it out. |
| 07:00.41 | carlinpretty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lscDYUkrA |
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| 07:08.31 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 07:13.45 | darxmurf | One of my machine is unable to boot correctly this morning, systemd-logind service is unable to load but can't find why |
| 07:14.02 | darxmurf | I have 6 identical machines and it's the only one acting weird |
| 07:14.23 | carlinpretty | I heard a man today say that in two generations we'd all be a nice "caramel" color. |
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| 07:15.08 | carlinpretty | Where did people get the idea that mixing all the races and cultures into ONE race and ONE culture is a desirable thing? |
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| 07:23.26 | rogersicart | yo! |
| 07:23.35 | Vainglory | for some reason https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/23077/ can still be used today on mysql-server 5.5.50-0+deb8u1 - why? |
| 07:23.47 | Vainglory | i was reading https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/52dgxh/mysql_remote_root_code_execution_privilege/ and stumbled across this |
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| 07:26.08 | missmbob | Vainglory: because it's disputed as incorrect configuration. https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2012-5613 |
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| 07:27.37 | missmbob | Vainglory: if you're used debian for any length of time you know third parties like apache hate us for doing wtf we want with the configs debian ships with. not even close to standard |
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| 07:27.59 | Vainglory | missmbob: oh, i'm well aware. |
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| 07:28.06 | Vainglory | cough mozilla cough |
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| 07:28.22 | Vainglory | that whole situation got fixed recently though, which is nice |
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| 07:31.07 | r3m1 | hi all |
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| 07:34.41 | saul | when i try to intall mediawiki-extensions, "mediawiki" package is recommended but not included in the list of packages to be installed. a direct apt-get install of mediawiki claims there is no such package ... |
| 07:34.50 | r3m1 | I have small industrial computers that must be deployed at different places and must be connected to my server. Those computers are running on debian. When they are on the net, they open reverse SSH tunnels to my server so that I can connect to them when required. Now I'm struggling to ensure that the connection to the server is reliable |
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| 07:35.47 | r3m1 | those computers have an ethernet port, so they are usually connected to DSL or a local network providing access to the internet. They also have a GPRS modem to connect to the internet if the DSL is down |
| 07:36.27 | petemc | r3m1: looked at autossh ? |
| 07:36.27 | r3m1 | I want to have a croned job that checks periodically the internet access with GPRS and ADSL |
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| 07:37.15 | r3m1 | petemc: yes I did, it's usefull indeed to keep the tunnels up. My problem is to reliably check internet connectivity on both interfaces |
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| 07:38.22 | r3m1 | to check the internet, I use the solutions in this thread http://superuser.com/a/769248 |
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| 07:38.54 | r3m1 | (yes, a Microsoft server but hey, seems quite a good solution to make sure everything is set up properly) |
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| 07:40.05 | r3m1 | The thing is that, first, I'm not sure how to use a specific network interface to check |
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| 07:40.23 | r3m1 | I tried with wget --bind-address which seems rather good |
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| 07:41.13 | r3m1 | my problem is that when I turn the GPRS modem on and connect to the GPRS network, things get pretty messed up |
| 07:41.52 | dionysus69 | what's the path of gnome extensions' metadata.json file? |
| 07:42.02 | dionysus69 | unable to search it :\ |
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| 07:43.13 | r3m1 | when GPRS is on, I can't reach the server using the ethernet port |
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| 07:43.28 | r3m1 | I think my routing table is messed up |
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| 07:44.18 | r3m1 | because I have two gateway route entries for the outside |
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| 07:44.41 | r3m1 | wget does not seem to handle that properly |
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| 07:46.02 | r3m1 | I would like to force going through eth0 or wwan0, the route should be ok then |
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| 07:48.02 | xenomorph_xx_121 | r3m1: i'd look at setting up separate routing tables for each interface |
| 07:48.14 | xenomorph_xx_121 | then u can use policy-based routing (ip rule) |
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| 07:49.30 | xenomorph_xx_121 | r3m1: or for just testing if the connection is up, use a static route to a test ip. a different test ip for each interface. this is how i implemented the script you are talking about (years ago) |
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| 07:51.32 | r3m1 | xenomorph_xx_121: for the ethernet I will have a fixed gateway, but the GPRS changes IP and gateway at each connection |
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| 07:51.54 | r3m1 | can I speficy to ping using eth0 or wwan0 ? |
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| 07:52.13 | xenomorph_xx_121 | r3m1: yes but in practice that doesnt work as you'd expect in my experience |
| 07:52.49 | xenomorph_xx_121 | xenomorph_xx_121: you can do tricky things with 'ip rule', like for example all the packets coming from a particular user must stay within a particular routing table |
| 07:53.02 | xenomorph_xx_121 | r3m1: ^^ |
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| 07:53.41 | r3m1 | I suck at networking so I cannot do much tricky things, yet ! |
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| 07:54.09 | xenomorph_xx_121 | r3m1: so in the ifup script for the gprs, make it so that in the 'ip route add default via ...', add something like 'table 2' at the end. then you can use 'ip rule' to make certain connections stay within routing table 2 |
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| 07:55.56 | xenomorph_xx_121 | r3m1: you can use iptables to MARK packets with a number, based on whatever criteria you want ... then use ip rule to contrain those packets to a particular routing table |
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| 07:56.27 | r3m1 | xenomorph_xx_121: this is how you did is it ? |
| 07:56.33 | xenomorph_xx_121 | r3m1: that way you can have two default gateways without any conflict |
| 07:57.02 | xenomorph_xx_121 | r3m1: essentially, yes. thats how i could do ping tests on both connections, while still only having one default gateway |
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| 07:58.18 | xenomorph_xx_121 | r3m1: but if all you want to do is ping to test the connection, just use a static route to a test ip and use your script to switch the default gateway as needed. no need for iptables and ip rule if thats all you want to do |
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| 07:58.43 | insieu | http://www.heretical.com/oliver/js09.html |
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| 07:58.58 | xenomorph_xx_121 | r3m1: i use iptables and ip rule to make sure p2p goes over a vpn. run all my p2p apps as a separate user |
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| 08:02.04 | r3m1 | xenomorph_xx_121: ok I think I have enough to keep trying, thanks |
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| 08:08.04 | darxmurf | this stuff is acting weird |
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| 08:29.28 | kek64 | hello. i'm reading Grafana installation docs, and stumbled upon this line: |
| 08:29.30 | kek64 | update-rc.d grafana-server defaults 95 10 |
| 08:29.42 | kek64 | can anyone explain what these two numbers mean? |
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| 08:29.56 | kek64 | i tried man, but still can't figure it out |
| 08:30.27 | FinalX | I also wasn't aware that update-rc.d took parameters to "defaults" |
| 08:30.31 | ksk | kek64: you tried man update-rc.d ? |
| 08:30.36 | ksk | sry for the plenking. |
| 08:30.49 | kek64 | ksk, yes, but it's wording is kinda complicated |
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| 08:31.03 | darxmurf | Sep 14 10:02:55 lcbcpc50 systemd-logind[2519]: Failed to enable subscription: Activation of org.freedesktop.systemd1 |
| 08:31.06 | darxmurf | Sep 14 10:02:55 lcbcpc50 systemd-logind[2519]: Failed to fully start up daemon: Connection timed out |
| 08:31.21 | FinalX | actually, on line 238 of update-rc.d: 238 # All start/stop/defaults arguments are discarded so emit a |
| 08:31.26 | FinalX | kek64: ^^ |
| 08:31.29 | darxmurf | anybody to point which direction I should check to fix this logind problem ? |
| 08:32.08 | kek64 | FinalX, so it's equivalent to update-rc.d grafana-server defaults? thanks! |
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| 08:32.17 | FinalX | yeah, seems so |
| 08:32.48 | kek64 | FinalX, much appreciated. |
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| 08:48.23 | ksk | freanux: why would you need them? :) |
| 08:49.54 | jelly | misTab strikes again! |
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| 09:01.26 | lordcheatcode | Hail! |
| 09:01.51 | lordcheatcode | Anyone getting massive DNS issues? |
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| 09:11.22 | Drzacek | define massive |
| 09:11.50 | missmbob | no let's not |
| 09:12.51 | lordcheatcode | Lols |
| 09:13.01 | lordcheatcode | HTTPS failing to connect through LA |
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| 09:13.34 | lordcheatcode | Not when I route through google free dns, but att mobile, verizon mobile, and century link dsl |
| 09:13.36 | missmbob | https not connecting is 99% of times having to do with your computer's time/timezone being off |
| 09:14.05 | lordcheatcode | 3 networks, 3 devices, and through google dns it works fine, so its not a ntp issue |
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| 09:14.16 | missmbob | no one said it was ntp |
| 09:14.20 | lordcheatcode | isitdownnow also showing speakeasy out of la as down |
| 09:14.34 | missmbob | which ip do you think is down? |
| 09:14.57 | lordcheatcode | before I swapped out to google dns, daz3d.com for example was down, seemed most https was failing |
| 09:15.16 | lordcheatcode | was just wondering if anyone else noticed anything is all. |
| 09:15.54 | missmbob | no. but you're not going to give us more info to investigate either, so i dont know why you asked. you really think all of the internet is having a DNS problem? c'mon |
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| 09:16.15 | lordcheatcode | I didnt think so... so I asked if anyone else noticed. |
| 09:16.24 | missmbob | !anyone |
| 09:16.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 09:16.42 | missmbob | you can respond to questions or not. |
| 09:17.14 | lordcheatcode | Bwahaha, msg torll. I didnt ask if 'anyone can help me with a vague issue' i asked if a person observed anything, trollon fussy pants. later |
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| 09:17.49 | missmbob | i'm a torll. is that good? |
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| 09:18.01 | AlwaysHigh | what method can i take to download files from windows to my debian server? |
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| 09:18.07 | AlwaysHigh | from my debian server |
| 09:18.10 | missmbob | AlwaysHigh: rsync |
| 09:18.20 | ksk | AlwaysHigh: Install cygwin on the windows box, then use ssh. |
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| 09:19.47 | AlwaysHigh | missmbob, i tried that but every so often i would get this error: rsync: mkstemp "/pool0/myfiles/to/transfer" failed: Permission denied (13) |
| 09:19.52 | AlwaysHigh | this is using windows rsync |
| 09:19.58 | AlwaysHigh | not via cygwin |
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| 09:20.22 | missmbob | i dont even know what rsync in windows is outside of cygwin. so i guess i'm out |
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| 09:21.05 | AlwaysHigh | well ill give it a try inside cgywin |
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| 09:21.19 | darxmurf | fook ! the problem was the network socket ! |
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| 09:24.26 | seprob | Hello. I have this kernel message "aufs au_opts_verify:1597:docker[946]: dirperm1 breaks the protection by the permission bits on the lower branch" and when I'm restarting a server it can't boot. Any ideas? |
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| 09:30.39 | AlwaysHigh | missmbob, how do u install more |
| 09:31.15 | AlwaysHigh | missmbob, how do u install more i got "rsync: Failed to exec ssh: No such file or directory (2)" |
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| 09:31.41 | missmbob | AlwaysHigh: i install rsync and ssh with cygwin. problem solved. |
| 09:31.58 | AlwaysHigh | lol cause i can find the inital install |
| 09:32.02 | AlwaysHigh | do i just run the .exe again |
| 09:32.07 | AlwaysHigh | that i download |
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| 09:32.17 | missmbob | yes. then click custom. pick what you want. then download/install |
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| 09:33.45 | AlwaysHigh | crosses fingers |
| 09:34.33 | missmbob | you're overthinking this. if you cant figure out rsync just put the data on a fucking usb stick and move it over |
| 09:35.08 | babilen | .oO( too easy ) |
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| 09:36.10 | AlwaysHigh | dam still get the permission denied |
| 09:36.18 | AlwaysHigh | yet the users im using has ownership |
| 09:36.37 | bazhang | what exe is he trying to run on debian |
| 09:36.45 | AlwaysHigh | no exe |
| 09:36.58 | missmbob | hopefully exe was cygwin. |
| 09:37.00 | AlwaysHigh | im trying to transfer some stuff locally from my windows system to a small debian file server |
| 09:37.03 | missmbob | who knows now |
| 09:37.22 | missmbob | yeah. usb stick. dont hurt your brain |
| 09:37.23 | AlwaysHigh | but i keep getting permission denied by rysnc on my windows |
| 09:37.31 | AlwaysHigh | dude its 200gb |
| 09:37.41 | AlwaysHigh | my biggest is 16gb |
| 09:37.45 | missmbob | then just use scp |
| 09:37.46 | bazhang | <AlwaysHigh> do i just run the .exe again |
| 09:37.54 | bazhang | which exe is that |
| 09:37.57 | missmbob | winscp i hear is easy |
| 09:38.00 | AlwaysHigh | bazhang, that was the windows cygwin |
| 09:38.17 | darxmurf | under windows 10 you can enable bash |
| 09:38.21 | bazhang | this is the ultra hard way |
| 09:38.29 | missmbob | fuck now we cant call that bash |
| 09:38.32 | missmbob | no* |
| 09:38.46 | darxmurf | yes it's bash |
| 09:38.46 | missmbob | a lot of things don't work. mosh, for example |
| 09:38.50 | darxmurf | ah ok |
| 09:39.14 | darxmurf | but it's a "ubuntu" weird mix there |
| 09:39.28 | missmbob | i dont give a fuck what ubuntu does either |
| 09:39.46 | darxmurf | sweet |
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| 09:40.43 | jusss | how to match two strings at the same time in a file with grep? |
| 09:41.06 | missmbob | jusss: you can do |grep foo |grep foo2 |
| 09:43.27 | phogg | jusss: try also -f to read patterns from a file |
| 09:43.34 | jusss | missmbob: I found |grep foo | foo2 |
| 09:44.21 | jusss | that don't work... |
| 09:44.55 | babilen | jusss: Do you mean that both have to exist on the same line or one or the other? |
| 09:44.56 | petemc | egrep 'foo|bar' |
| 09:44.59 | phogg | jusss: grep -f <(printf '%s\n' root bin) /etc/passwd |
| 09:45.15 | jusss | babilen: one or the other |
| 09:45.23 | babilen | jusss: See petemc's comment then |
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| 09:45.38 | missmbob | and then understand egrep vs grep |
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| 09:46.09 | babilen | prefers "grep -E" |
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| 09:46.12 | noobdeb | hello, I made the mistake and didn't select the default desktop config after installing debian, how can I get this nice convenient bar with clock and applications and so on? |
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| 09:46.55 | babilen | noobdeb: Are you referring to something that looks like https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.10/figures/app-view.png ? |
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| 09:47.22 | noobdeb | babilen: yep the thing at the top |
| 09:47.32 | missmbob | when you dont select anything you get that. that's gnome 3. you're welcome |
| 09:47.39 | babilen | dpkg: install gnome |
| 09:47.40 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 09:47.48 | noobdeb | ok... |
| 09:48.05 | babilen | noobdeb: Did you install a graphical environment at all? |
| 09:48.11 | babilen | Or is the box booting to console? |
| 09:48.23 | missmbob | (default is gnome)...even on netinst |
| 09:48.29 | noobdeb | babilen: I have an empty desktop, and gui stuff |
| 09:48.46 | missmbob | yep. you got what you picked. gnome 3 |
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| 09:49.11 | babilen | And that "gui stuff" doesn't look like the environment in the picture I just mentioned? |
| 09:49.37 | babilen | Which image did you use and could you perhaps paste a screenshot? |
| 09:49.44 | noobdeb | no, there is nothing at the sides of my desktop, but it behaves normally otherwise, so I can rightclick and access everything from there |
| 09:50.04 | jusss | petemc: egrep is what I need, thanks |
| 09:50.21 | noobdeb | babilen: I used an image from linuxcnc.org because they distribute their software only by bundeling it into the OS and making you install that... |
| 09:50.21 | missmbob | jusss: keep in mind egrep isnt as portable |
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| 09:51.44 | babilen | noobdeb: Well, we don't really support that in here, but if you were to paste a picture we could tell you which desktop environement you are using now. See above for instructions on how to install gnome 3. |
| 09:52.33 | noobdeb | babilen: I'm already installing that, I only used ubuntu and xubuntu before, so I thought that bar was default. If I have to install something to get it, that's ok I can do that... |
| 09:52.46 | noobdeb | and suggestions where I should upload the screenshot? |
| 09:52.56 | noobdeb | *any |
| 09:53.40 | babilen | noobdeb: We have no idea what linuxcnc did with their software and packages selection. It sounds as if they changed something or installed a different desktop environment. On Debian that would be the default, yes |
| 09:53.43 | jusss | noobdeb: you can put it in github... |
| 09:54.17 | noobdeb | jusss: they do image uploads now? |
| 09:55.13 | missmbob | i dont think anyone here actually understands what you're saying. |
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| 09:57.51 | noobdeb | http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=106694 |
| 09:58.10 | noobdeb | that's what it looks like |
| 09:59.30 | t0mb0_ | if I run ntpq -c host will that sync the system time? |
| 09:59.37 | colo-work | I upgraded a host here to the current bpo kernel (4.6) from 3.16. it has a md-RAID1 of NVME devices configured. the array comes up fine with 3.16, but systemd somehow fails to assemble it during bootup with 4.6 and drops me into rescue mode. |
| 09:59.52 | t0mb0_ | or does it just do a grateous request and throw away the results |
| 10:00.03 | colo-work | there, I can just do `mdadm --assemble --scan` OR `mdadm --assemble /dev/md0`, and both yield the md device just fine |
| 10:00.12 | colo-work | how can I debug what the heck is going on? |
| 10:00.22 | colo-work | how can that even depend on the kernel version I'm booting? :( |
| 10:00.40 | colo-work | I just regenerated the initrd, so it's supposed to contain the correct mdadm.conf |
| 10:01.03 | colo-work | when I switch to 3.16 instead of 4.6, the array comes up during bootup without problems |
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| 10:13.46 | AlwaysHigh | well chmod -r 777 |
| 10:14.37 | jelly | that's almost never a good idea, AlwaysHigh |
| 10:14.46 | AlwaysHigh | yeah lol |
| 10:14.49 | AlwaysHigh | its a local server |
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| 10:14.55 | AlwaysHigh | doubt anyone will attack it |
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| 10:15.13 | AlwaysHigh | untill i create a group for my users :p |
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| 10:16.58 | toothpick | hey, i got an issue regarding ssh. I can connect to the remote host through 2 machines (where the remote host asked for authentication yes/no) however, on this local machine as well as another I get "Connection closed by -host-", it doesnt even ask me for authentication, any guideance would be appreciated |
| 10:17.38 | petemc | toothpick: can you check /var/log/auth.log on server ? |
| 10:17.44 | toothpick | sure hold on |
| 10:17.47 | xand | in my experience, that's because of entries in /etc/hosts.allow/deny |
| 10:18.06 | toothpick | petemc: no sorry i cannot reach the log on the server which i try to connect to |
| 10:18.29 | xand | toothpick: it's about impossible to troubleshoot without access to that log |
| 10:18.48 | xand | you can try sshing from a different client machine |
| 10:19.16 | toothpick | xand: petemc the thing is that I can connect to the sftp through filezilla or w/e but not from cli |
| 10:19.45 | xand | you mean using sftp cli? or ssh? |
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| 10:20.07 | xenomorph_xx_121 | toothpick: ssh -vvvv might help to figure it out |
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| 10:20.58 | toothpick | from my lab server, i can connect both through sftp and ssh to the remote server, from the local machine i can connect to the sftp through filezilla but, i cannot connect to the sftp nor ssh through the local cli |
| 10:21.51 | toothpick | xenomorph_xx_121: i checked that, it hangs before it even tries to auth me for password |
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| 10:22.17 | xenomorph_xx_121 | toothpick: hangs? i thought you said it rejects u... |
| 10:22.51 | xenomorph_xx_121 | a hang is likely a firewall or routing issue |
| 10:23.00 | toothpick | xenomorph_xx_121: yes well bad choice of word, it does reject me, but on the remote server using -vvv right after the debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<8192<8192) sent, it directs me to password auth |
| 10:23.29 | toothpick | but on my local machine, it does reject me just after that line |
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| 10:24.05 | toothpick | whats making me confused is that i can connect to the sftp from the local machine through filezilla but no through the cli (using mac) |
| 10:24.43 | xenomorph_xx_121 | toothpick: the ssh client is probably not trying an auth mechanisms and/or cipher that are supported by the server |
| 10:25.18 | xenomorph_xx_121 | toothpick: you could try a new ssh config on the client, or if its mac its probably got some weird or outdated openssh. so maybe install a new client |
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| 10:26.18 | tomreyn | filezilla uses a putty based ssh authentication mechanism in later versions. earlier versions get things wrong pretty much, key authentication will either fail or be mandatory depending on some factors. |
| 10:26.38 | tomreyn | ...using openssh keys. |
| 10:27.53 | tomreyn | also check whethe royu have an ssh client configuration file, such as ~/.ssh/config , and whether it restrics authentication mechanisms. |
| 10:28.06 | xenomorph_xx_121 | yeah, exactly ^^ |
| 10:28.10 | toothpick | i will just edit the sshd config to mimic the linux machine i got (which it works on) and then update the mac's ssh |
| 10:28.12 | xenomorph_xx_121 | and /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 10:28.41 | toothpick | yea i thought it was something like that as well i even went that far that i printed both the linux cfg and mac sitting with my coffee going through step by step haha pisses me off this mac |
| 10:29.03 | xenomorph_xx_121 | you could use one of those mac package managers (i dont remember what they're called) to get a more standard openssh installation |
| 10:29.26 | xand | sshd config is for server not client |
| 10:29.32 | toothpick | ssh* |
| 10:30.00 | xenomorph_xx_121 | ... or install debian on the thing ... |
| 10:30.15 | toothpick | :-D |
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| 10:34.35 | toothpick | i install macports (the pkg manager seem to be called) and check the auth in the client ssh cfg on the mac, if i still get troubles i might bug u guys abit more later :) |
| 10:34.42 | t0mb0_ | weird |
| 10:34.47 | t0mb0_ | anyone get timeout on ntpstat |
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| 10:35.08 | t0mb0_ | without a restrict line for the eth0 IP address? |
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| 10:35.27 | t0mb0_ | policy is set to default restrict ignore |
| 10:35.40 | t0mb0_ | I would have thought default to 127.0.0.1 |
| 10:35.44 | t0mb0_ | for ntpstat |
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| 10:37.06 | sk1 | hello guys |
| 10:38.05 | sk1 | i need help with my ubuntu server. I can't configure it to be visible from internet, |
| 10:38.52 | sk1 | ip 148.100.33.7; nmap says that ports 22 80 443 1723 are open |
| 10:38.59 | sk1 | but i can't connect to it |
| 10:39.07 | sk1 | only via SSH |
| 10:39.19 | sk1 | i also setup apache forward proxy |
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| 10:44.22 | Mahe | sk1, what exactly do you mean by 'visible from internet' ? |
| 10:45.06 | Mahe | The IP serves a Apache default page for me. |
| 10:45.21 | toothpick | xenomorph_xx_121: (installing the pkg manager for mac) = 3 hours to make, "port install openssh" well .. guess ill sit back and relax :-) |
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| 10:45.56 | sk1 | i can connect to 148.100.33.7 via SSH, but i try to connect to port 80 apache server and i can't, i tried to up PPTP VPN and it doesn't work |
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| 10:46.32 | sk1 | but apache works fine if u user it from localhost |
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| 10:46.58 | sk1 | lynx localhost works! |
| 10:47.08 | toothpick | sk1: ur webiste works for me as well (apache default page) as Mahe said |
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| 10:48.16 | teraflops | port install weechat +ssl <3 |
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| 10:49.52 | xenomorph_xx_121 | toothpick: there are binary package managers as well |
| 10:50.23 | xenomorph_xx_121 | i remember using one called fink back in the day ... but it may have been superseded by something else |
| 10:51.39 | xenomorph_xx_121 | homebrew is the other one |
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| 11:03.35 | teraflops | sk1: I just read your last message so maybe I'm r0ng but if you fail to connect to your website via vpn it looks like your routes are messed up, e.g if you use openvpn you can specify that you want clients to see each other or you can even do openvpn in bridge mode. |
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| 11:14.27 | grey__ | hi, can one install Debian for EFI, while booting a live system in bios legacy? |
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| 11:16.26 | grey__ | anyone? |
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| 11:19.30 | grey__ | I'm trying to do a custom install with debootstrap, but the live images only boot on legacy bios. Can I force a UEFI install? |
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| 11:20.12 | towo` | grey__, then why you donÃt use the normal installer image, which is efi capable? |
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| 11:20.51 | grey__ | towo`: because it doesn't let me pick the hashing method for luks |
| 11:21.11 | grey__ | towo`: it picks sha256, while sha512 is faster on 64bit |
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| 11:23.52 | themill | the installer does nothing of the sort |
| 11:24.26 | grey__ | themill, it does, I tried it yesterday |
| 11:24.53 | themill | No, it offers aes256 as a default. |
| 11:25.13 | grey__ | themill, aes256 is the cipher, sha256 is the hash |
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| 11:26.08 | grey__ | It would be good if the user was presented with a list of options for hash, like it happens for cipher |
| 11:26.22 | grey__ | maybe one would like to use whirlpool, or ripe160 of all things |
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| 11:27.48 | tom99 | grey__: ripe160 is so much easier to do in straight C++. I bet there isn't even an easy way to do it in python! |
| 11:27.50 | themill | wait... the hash runs once during install. Who cares how fast it is? |
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| 11:28.29 | grey__ | funny thing is, ubuntu debootstrap is not compatible with debian's, and if you use it it complains that some package is missing in the repos |
| 11:28.33 | tom99 | python lame anyway |
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| 11:29.52 | grey__ | themill, dosn't the hashing run everytime you write something to disk? |
| 11:30.35 | themill | that's the cipher |
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| 11:30.45 | themill | the hash is for generating the key |
| 11:30.58 | grey__ | themill, I say it because the benchmarks show vastly different speeds depending on what hash you choose |
| 11:31.38 | themill | As usual, the arch wiki ends up having the useful details in one place. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Disk_encryption#Cryptographic_metadata |
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| 12:07.58 | toothpick | xenomorph_xx_121: got it to work was just that mac uses a old version of openssh, thanks! |
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| 12:11.40 | grey__ | themill, it seems you're right. Done some benchmarking myself with those two different options and the results are just miliseconds different |
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| 12:19.09 | debian-alain | bonjour |
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| 12:21.02 | ftpd | Hi all. I'm looking for any working mirror dor Squeeze. Do you know any? I have to rebuild weird, old OS and according to official documentation it's possible only on squeeze. |
| 12:21.27 | ftpd | It needs live-helper package, which is available in squeeze-backports. |
| 12:21.29 | themill | !squeeze sources.list |
| 12:21.29 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 12:22.15 | debian-alain | i have trouble with virtual box 5.1.6 . it seems to work only with 32 bits VM |
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| 12:23.54 | ftpd | themill: Can I use this with netinstall? |
| 12:24.15 | rjsalts | debian-alain, what's the host os's arch? |
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| 12:26.15 | aditya3098 | hi, what does -bin at the end of a package name mean? |
| 12:26.27 | aditya3098 | like libvirt-bin |
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| 12:27.11 | ftpd | themill: Yes, I can. Thanks! |
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| 12:27.52 | themill | aditya3098: same as /usr/bin and friends |
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| 12:28.40 | Agiofws | ok |
| 12:29.21 | aditya3098 | themill: huh? I don't understand. Does it mean the package contains /usr/bin files? But lots of packages contain those. What maked a package get a -bin suffix? |
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| 12:29.41 | towo` | it contains the executable stuff |
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| 12:29.47 | MaBunny | those are the binaries of tht package |
| 12:29.47 | themill | aditya3098: it's the binaries that go with a library |
| 12:30.00 | themill | aditya3098: *that* is much more unusual |
| 12:30.13 | Agiofws | i don;t know if this is debians fault but since a chrome update via synaptic ( jessie stable 4.16 kernel i think for back ports) i have no sound in youtube via chrome. I do have sound on firefox for example can anyone figure this out for me please? |
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| 12:30.34 | CQ | hello, I've got a weird problem and am not sure how to narrow it down. In debian, if I watch a youtube html5 video, often when I pause it and want to resume it, it won't resume. The problem is pulseaudio... no other videos will play, a FF restart doesn't help. Only pulseaudio --kill helps, then the videos play again, Otherwise it stays at the circling-dots |
| 12:30.40 | Agiofws | maybe its because pulseaudio is not running or fails to restart |
| 12:30.43 | aditya3098 | ah, so like libexec, but with package names |
| 12:31.03 | Agiofws | lol |
| 12:31.51 | Agiofws | i had thi sissue from yesterday but have not rebooted yet only suspended my machine |
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| 12:33.11 | Agiofws | anyone? |
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| 12:34.26 | l0llip0p | Agiofws: no idea. Why you cant use firefox? Or maeby you should ask form #chrome channel |
| 12:34.30 | CQ | Agiofws: what do I do about it? how cna I fix it? |
| 12:35.08 | CQ | Agiofws: or were you referrring to something else? |
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| 12:36.42 | Agiofws | i use chrome have a gmail account os its more convenient for me |
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| 12:36.56 | Agiofws | but its strange i'll have to reboot to confirm |
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| 12:44.21 | sk1 | dear colleagues |
| 12:44.31 | sk1 | i need help with ubuntu server 16.04 |
| 12:44.47 | sk1 | I setup apache HTTP forward proxy |
| 12:44.53 | sk1 | it doesn't work for me |
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| 12:45.10 | CQ | this is not ubuntu, /join #ubuntu |
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| 12:45.30 | hassoon | CQ: meh ubuntu is a mere derivative of debian |
| 12:46.04 | CQ | hassoon: sure, but problems of "mere" derivatives are still distro specific and not necessarily the same across distros |
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| 12:57.14 | jelly | sk1: traffic in #ubuntu can be a bit overwhelming at times. Also try #ubuntu-server or #httpd for general apache questions |
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| 13:04.15 | ozfan | why there is no GNU fdisk available on jessie? while it is on wheezy. |
| 13:04.27 | ozfan | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gnu-fdisk |
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| 13:05.11 | ozfan | it is far more functional then fdisk from util-linux |
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| 13:11.50 | zykotick9 | ozfan: well, looking into your question, i just learned that gdisk is NOT GNU fdisk as i'd previously assumed... TIL |
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| 13:20.39 | tyrion-web | Hello, I am trying to run apt-get update but I get Hash sum mismatch. This is my sources.list: "deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 13:20.39 | tyrion-web | ". I have tried rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* and some stuff written online such as http://serverfault.com/a/743015 but I cannot make it work |
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| 13:21.40 | Rubas | Hello, I have a friend who wants to scp a file into my server - but I want to make sure that this file is non-executable and harmless and won't be able to do any harm on my system - is this possible with chmod and chown? |
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| 13:22.48 | yokisuci | tyrion-web: Have you tried changing mirror? |
| 13:22.58 | tyrion-web | nope |
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| 13:23.38 | ksk | Rubas: you can mount his home noexec, but he then could still use any interpreters you have installed (python, bash...) |
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| 13:23.58 | yokisuci | tyrion-web: Try that. Even tho i'm living in Sweden i'm using ftp.debian.org. For some reason, i had issues with the swedish mirror from time to time. |
| 13:24.14 | Rubas | ksk: what is I restrict him to only rssh? |
| 13:24.20 | ksk | Rubas: also google for scponly; https://github.com/scponly/scponly/wiki |
| 13:24.21 | yokisuci | tyrion-web: Btw, why do you want to run sid? :/ |
| 13:24.33 | ksk | if you dont give him a shell he probably cant "do" anything besides uploading. |
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| 13:24.43 | iamawesome | Hi, can i ask about fork() function/system-call here? |
| 13:24.47 | tyrion-web | yokisuci: I have newer packages :P why not? |
| 13:24.56 | tyrion-web | let me try to change mirror |
| 13:25.01 | ksk | iamawesome: sounds like c to me, but you could give it a try :) |
| 13:25.02 | Rubas | ksk: true - very true, but the encryption is still active right? |
| 13:25.25 | yokisuci | tyrion-web: because it's unstable and stuff can break. Stretch/Testing doesn't have THAT much older packages. |
| 13:25.48 | ksk | yes, it transports stuff via a ssh channel |
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| 13:26.19 | iamawesome | fork() creates child process, it copies the parent process, why do we need to create this child process? |
| 13:26.29 | yokisuci | tyrion-web: ^^ |
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| 13:26.54 | colo-work | iamawesome, that's how process creation works in UNIX systems. without the initial copy, there wouldn't be any new processes, period. |
| 13:27.04 | ksk | iamawesome: because you are writing software that does stuff in parallel? like httpd does fork for (kind of) every request |
| 13:27.11 | tyrion-web | yokisuci: you are right, but I discovered that later ahah :P |
| 13:27.47 | Rubas | ksk: thank you |
| 13:27.56 | tyrion-web | btw it was a problem of the mirror .. the solution was so simple :O |
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| 13:28.03 | tyrion-web | thank you |
| 13:28.09 | iamawesome | Why do i need to run the same parent and child program? |
| 13:28.30 | yokisuci | tyrion-web: haha! xD I would really concider using Stretch instead. ^_^ Havn't tried it but shouldn't be that much of a problem just chaning sid to stretch in your sources list. You're welcome :) |
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| 13:29.02 | ksk | iamawesome: how about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_(system_call)? |
| 13:29.10 | ksk | it kind of explains things |
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| 13:34.20 | surfist | has anyone had trouble with touchpad scrolling? and fixed it? |
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| 13:35.34 | iflema | surfist: trouble? do elaborate |
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| 13:37.42 | surfist | when Xorg was using synaptics driver all was fine.. now it's using libinput and scrolling is gone.. have played with various xx-libinput stuff and xinput to no avail.. synclient doesn't work |
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| 13:38.55 | iflema | surfist: yeah... not sure I just use synaptics. |
| 13:39.21 | surfist | how can I use synaptics without downgrading? |
| 13:40.47 | iflema | install it? |
| 13:40.47 | surfist | Xorg is: X.Org X Server 1.18.3 |
| 13:41.02 | surfist | hah okay |
| 13:42.18 | iflema | jessie just came out |
| 13:42.22 | iflema | lol |
| 13:43.07 | iflema | thers some notes on the wiki page about it |
| 13:43.18 | iflema | stretch that is |
| 13:43.35 | surfist | it's apparently installed and it's upgrading now |
| 13:43.36 | surfist | here's another fun question... in gnome settings ... setting take effect immediately.. can it be done via commandline too? |
| 13:43.36 | surfist | without restarting X? |
| 13:44.23 | surfist | I'm using a debian variant which uses testing |
| 13:44.31 | surfist | so I don't even know what it is anymore but it used to be wheezy based |
| 13:44.43 | iflema | argh.. good question... if i wanst in the dark and/or laying down i would tell you.. =) |
| 13:45.08 | surfist | fair enough :) |
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| 13:45.48 | iflema | surfist: i guess set it unload module and reload it? |
| 13:46.16 | surfist | the psmouse module? |
| 13:46.22 | iflema | mm |
| 13:46.39 | iflema | whatever that is =) |
| 13:47.21 | surfist | all I have found is modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=imp or summat.. and that makes ps2/synaptics become generic |
| 13:47.42 | iflema | linux is too easy these days... i dont know anything anymore |
| 13:47.58 | surfist | far out :) except when it goes bad :) |
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| 13:48.16 | iflema | arch baby... believe it or not |
| 13:48.27 | iflema | never goes wrong... heh |
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| 13:49.04 | surfist | it's more geeky (tm) but I'm not about to create total chaos by switching :) |
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| 13:49.22 | surfist | slackware used to be my favorite.... installing stuff is tedious |
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| 13:49.24 | iflema | surfist: just use debian instead of testing variant |
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| 13:49.43 | surfist | iflema: I suppose |
| 13:49.54 | iflema | surfist: good to goto when the new stuff is annoying |
| 13:49.59 | surfist | and avoid dist-upgrade like the plague |
| 13:50.16 | iflema | unstable... its not even testing |
| 13:50.37 | iflema | its for devs and fools |
| 13:51.30 | wols_ | got a sorta debian problem: I'm trying to resolve the host topapplicationsoftware62.download (warning: malware dispenser, some fake flashplayer "pro" update). My debian doesn't want to: Cannot handle "host" cmdline arg `topapplicationsoftware62.download' on position 1 (argc 1) |
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| 13:52.15 | wols_ | that's what a traceroute command brings, ping brings ping: topapplicationsoftware62.download: No address associated with hostname. However: pinging "nic.download" works just fine. So why can't I traceroute this domain? |
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| 13:57.44 | surfist | that was fun |
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| 14:20.05 | jhutchins | wols_: Can you resolve it's IP? |
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| 14:48.06 | ChrisH | Is .download a valid TLD? |
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| 14:48.49 | ksk | hola. If I do "LC_ALL=C perl somescript.pl" it does not load the locale-archive; If I do for example "LC_ALL=de_DE.utf8 perl somescript.pl" it seems to load ALL the available locales from locales-archive, not just the one I choose. Can I somehow alter that behaviour? thanks! (this question is about perl, but I would think any other locale-aware interpreter language would do the same thing) |
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| 14:51.10 | greycat | If you don't get an answer here, try #perl |
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| 14:52.51 | themill | ,i publicsuffix |
| 14:52.52 | judd | Package publicsuffix (net, extra) in jessie/amd64: accurate, machine-readable list of domain name suffixes. Version: 20140902-1; Size: 52.6k; Installed: 200k; Homepage: http://publicsuffix.org; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/publicsuffix |
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| 14:52.58 | themill | ChrisH: ^^ apparently so |
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| 14:54.05 | NetTraveller | Hi! I've setup debian as a router, can someone recommend a traffic control application that has an webgui ? (or a webgui for TC) |
| 14:54.42 | jhutchins | !locales |
| 14:54.43 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 14:55.24 | greycat | I don't know what "the locale-archive" is, or what it means to "load" it, or how one determines that a perl program "loaded" it. |
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| 14:55.41 | themill | was about to ask the same thing |
| 14:56.10 | themill | also, de_DE.utf8 is not a valid locale |
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| 14:57.25 | greycat | What's the german utf8 locale named, then? |
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| 14:57.43 | ChrisH | themill,wols_ getent hosts topapplicationsoftware62.download -> noting getent hosts nic.download -> IPv6 adress |
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| 14:58.07 | ChrisH | themill,wols_ getent hosts topapplicationsoftware62.download -> nothing getent hosts nic.download -> IPv6+V4 adress |
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| 15:05.03 | ksk | themill: it seems it does not matter if you write de_DE.utf8 or de_DE.utf-8 both are valid |
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| 15:05.26 | themill | neither are, actually. Maybe perl accepts them |
| 15:05.26 | bigterd | does anyone know if photorec has a version that's multicore/thread? |
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| 15:06.22 | ksk | bash does, too |
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| 15:08.55 | RoyK | bigterd: I don't think so - usuaslly, photorec is mostly limited by I/O anyway, so it wouldn't help much |
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| 15:09.53 | bigterd | RoyK: easy scan is done, scanned and scored alot in this 8Gb image. now it's doing brute force, 1 core is pegged, the other 32 are doing nothing. |
| 15:10.32 | bigterd | 31* |
| 15:11.36 | bigterd | that's why i was curious if they had a multicore version for brute force scanning |
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| 15:11.59 | RoyK | bigterd: how is the I/O load? |
| 15:12.23 | themill | greycat: the canonical spelling is "UTF-8"; I don't know how the fallback is implemented |
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| 15:12.34 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ locale |
| 15:12.34 | greycat | LANG=en_US.utf8 |
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| 15:18.48 | bigterd | RoyK: iowait is 0.88% average |
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| 15:19.24 | bigterd | the array is read/writing of average 30Kb/sec both ways |
| 15:19.33 | Flashtek | \o/ array \o/ |
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| 15:21.10 | bigterd | photorec has only done ~100,000 sectors in the past 1 hour. haha. |
| 15:21.29 | cra1g321 | you can filter what it looks for |
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| 15:22.17 | bigterd | cra1g321: you know...i forgot about that. it's having issues pulling videos... |
| 15:22.38 | cra1g321 | i've only used it for pics |
| 15:22.42 | bigterd | 2gb missing from a ddrescue dump of an 8Gb card. |
| 15:22.51 | bigterd | the card started to smoke in front of me before it gave up the ghost. |
| 15:24.00 | bigterd | cra1g321: you have experience with ddrescue log files? would you mind looking at a log for me? interesting pattern. i think it's failed memory. |
| 15:24.17 | cra1g321 | never used that |
| 15:24.29 | bigterd | never used ddrescue? |
| 15:24.41 | cra1g321 | correct |
| 15:25.10 | bigterd | really? my practice has been to image the disk asap, then make a few copies to experiemnt with. |
| 15:25.33 | bigterd | although makes 4Tb images fun to shuffle around. |
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| 15:27.13 | RoyK | bigterd: I had a quick look at the source, and it seems very traditional and singlethreaded |
| 15:28.05 | bigterd | RoyK: thanks. kinda curious why so single in multi threaded world... |
| 15:28.48 | RoyK | bigterd: guess a feature request and a nice donation to them might help ;) http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec |
| 15:29.19 | bigterd | hm. doesn't support m4v |
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| 15:30.27 | drpillar | 1 |
| 15:30.35 | drpillar | hello all |
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| 15:31.31 | jhutchins | bigterd: You make it sound like this is something you do regularly. I would think you would make provisions for backups to avoid it. |
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| 15:32.43 | CQ | hello, I've got a weird problem and am not sure how to narrow it down. In debian, if I watch a youtube html5 video, often when I pause it and want to resume it, it won't resume. The problem is pulseaudio... no other videos will play, a FF restart doesn't help. Only pulseaudio --kill helps, then the videos play again, Otherwise it stays at the circling-dots |
| 15:32.53 | bigterd | jhutchins: i do. it's my income. |
| 15:33.08 | RoyK | bigterd: doesn't look like it'd be hard to add that - RTFS ;) |
| 15:33.48 | bigterd | soon. just curious what's avaiable. |
| 15:34.15 | bigterd | what software has become in the past 30 years. |
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| 15:41.22 | bigterd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.24 | jmcnaught | CQ: does the same thing happen with other programs? |
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| 15:45.05 | Midnightx | hello anyone. |
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| 15:46.08 | Midnightx | i got problem when i trying install steam to my AMD machine |
| 15:46.21 | Midnightx | got error in libexpat1 : Breaks: libexpat1:i386 (!= 2.1.0-6+deb8u3) but 2.1.0-6+deb8u2 is to be installed. |
| 15:46.22 | Midnightx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.38 | Midnightx | any suggest to fix this problem |
| 15:47.05 | greycat | ,v libexpat1 |
| 15:47.06 | judd | Package: libexpat1 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.1.0-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.1.0-1+deb7u4; jessie: 2.1.0-6+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.1.0-6+deb8u3; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.1.0-6+deb8u3; stretch: 2.2.0-1; sid: 2.2.0-1 |
| 15:47.28 | greycat | Put your jessie-security lines BACK IN where they belong. |
| 15:47.36 | greycat | Stop commenting them out or deleting them. |
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| 16:04.37 | seoner | hi who can receive a sms for me? /msg me |
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| 16:22.00 | moz1 | ping |
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| 16:23.21 | bhurstpdx1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.23 | bhurstpdx1 | What would you do to ascertain the integrity of the data on the machine? |
| 16:23.25 | bhurstpdx1 | Assume you have a recent backup of the machine. |
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| 16:23.51 | OerHeks | pull the networkcable, then continue investigate |
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| 16:25.33 | greycat | Make a second backup, then compare the two backups (using a known-clean machine). |
| 16:25.54 | jhutchins | bhurstpdx1: Probably boot from another medium, preferably something read-only like a DVD. |
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| 16:26.18 | jhutchins | bhurstpdx1: Assume that you can not trust ANYTHING on the affected system. |
| 16:27.00 | jhutchins | bhurstpdx1: This includes intrusion detection/protection software like tripwire. |
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| 16:27.50 | jhutchins | bhurstpdx1: You need to do a tripwire scan from an external OS, with an external copy of tripwire and an external database. |
| 16:29.54 | seoner | i need to verify my google account. can somebody receive a sms for me? /msg me |
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| 16:30.18 | bhurstpdx1 | thanks all! |
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| 16:56.02 | jelly | seoner: that's not a Debian issue at all, why not ask someone you know? Also probably not many people willing to give their phone number to a complete stranger. |
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| 17:00.13 | `Kevin | saturos: there are also free sms services online (from a quick google...) |
| 17:00.19 | `Kevin | seoner: * |
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| 17:01.08 | seoner | `Kevin: that numbers are already used |
| 17:04.13 | seoner | who can create a google account for me? /msg me |
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| 17:05.18 | SpacyTime | Hey there. I have a problem with MySQL/dbconfig-mysql. Recently I moved all the MySQL data from a server to another, and when trying to install packages that require dbconfig-mysql (such as roundcube, phpmyadmin etc.), it says that fails to login to "debian-sysv-admin" or something like that, I don't remember exactly. I deleted the user, hoping it'd recreate and work now, and still I have the error that fails |
| 17:05.18 | SpacyTime | to login. What can I do? |
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| 17:09.36 | `Kevin | SpacyTime: check /etc/mysql/debian.cnf is the user defined there with a password? |
| 17:10.20 | `Kevin | `the same username you are referring to` |
| 17:10.22 | SpacyTime | Oh yes, there is one |
| 17:10.35 | `Kevin | SpacyTime: ok so if that login doesnt work you need to re-add the grant |
| 17:10.39 | SpacyTime | debian-sys-maint, that's the one I meant |
| 17:11.15 | SpacyTime | `Kevin: but ooh, I didn't knew it was there that, I'll recreate user with same data then |
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| 17:12.23 | `Kevin | GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'PASSWORDfromCNFfile' ....... |
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| 17:12.39 | `Kevin | just change the password based on the cnf entry ^ |
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| 17:13.10 | `Kevin | run flush privileges; then you should be set |
| 17:13.30 | cdb23ax | hello i have a problem with cpu scaling in debian. if i issue following command grep -E '^model name|^cpu MHz' /proc/cpuinfo it says http://pastebin.com/vKMLfaL3 |
| 17:14.57 | cdb23ax | not all of my cores are running with 3ghz but i turned off cpu scaling: for CPUFREQ in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor; do [ -f $CPUFREQ ] || continue; echo -n performance > $CPUFREQ; done |
| 17:16.04 | SpacyTime | `Kevin: "mysql said: ERROR 1044 (42000) at line 1: Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' to database 'postfixadmin' ." it says now |
| 17:16.52 | `Kevin | SpacyTime: login as that user, mysql -udebian-sys-maint -p, when prompted for the password try the one from the cnf |
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| 17:17.10 | `Kevin | if that works try "use postfixadmin;" |
| 17:18.21 | `Kevin | if you cannot get into postfixadmin, what does "show grants;" return (pastebin this) |
| 17:20.28 | SpacyTime | `Kevin: ERROR 1049 (42000): Unknown database 'postfixadmin' |
| 17:20.41 | `Kevin | what happens if you do |
| 17:20.47 | `Kevin | " create database 'postfixadmin'; " |
| 17:20.55 | `Kevin | " create database postfixadmin; " |
| 17:20.56 | `Kevin | rather |
| 17:21.15 | SpacyTime | Query OK, 1 row affected (0.02 sec) |
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| 17:21.50 | `Kevin | perhaps the installation script didnt create the db OR the privileges were not reloaded yet |
| 17:21.53 | `Kevin | retry the package |
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| 17:23.20 | SpacyTime | `Kevin: nope |
| 17:23.44 | `Kevin | same error? |
| 17:24.01 | SpacyTime | yep |
| 17:24.26 | `Kevin | doesnt make sense :P can you relogin to mysql as debian-sys-maint and pastebin the output from " show grants; " |
| 17:24.40 | SpacyTime | okay, sec |
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| 17:24.55 | lurkashflake | o/ |
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| 17:25.31 | lurkashflake | I have installed debian armhf into my celphone problem is I get PERM ROOT: setresuid Permission denied when I try to sudo |
| 17:25.57 | lurkashflake | So basicaly I cannot apt-get update or do anything decent with it, which bring me to ask that weird question: How do I escalate my privilege? |
| 17:26.12 | lurkashflake | Like as in Hack debian heh |
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| 17:27.18 | SpacyTime | `Kevin: https://paste.jedayoshi.me/?86f0e15237811f31#Gfll88LzjIXx4sT06FpLpe72KcYJmJpUS/D+XPIFOFc= |
| 17:27.20 | flugger | are you using sudo ? |
| 17:27.27 | lurkashflake | yes |
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| 17:27.46 | lurkashflake | sudo su wasn't possible |
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| 17:29.16 | lurkashflake | passwd root, you may not view or modify password information for root :( |
| 17:29.32 | `Kevin | SpacyTime: looks correct to me, verify that the debian cnf file is pointing to localhost+socket is defined/correct... other than that i would likely do an strace to see where its breaking but im going afk for lunch ~40 mins |
| 17:29.44 | `Kevin | SpacyTime: if you still need help later i will be around |
| 17:30.39 | `Kevin | SpacyTime: alternatively you can dig through the pkg preinstall/postinstall scripts in >> /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 17:30.48 | lurkashflake | I had a problem with unable to find session for pid: 14254 or something can it be related? |
| 17:30.57 | lurkashflake | an error message |
| 17:31.22 | SpacyTime | `Kevin: socket is defined correctly, but okay, I'll look on what to do. thanks anyways! I'll highlight yiou later if needed |
| 17:31.24 | SpacyTime | you* |
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| 17:32.29 | bigterd | any reason why debians testdisk/photorec 6.x version detects more recovered files then the one i just built from the latest sources? |
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| 17:36.43 | brontosaurusrex | in newsbeuter; how do I say open link > 9 (for example link 22)? |
| 17:37.47 | lurkashflake | Is there a default root password I could try for the command "su" ? |
| 17:38.16 | lurkashflake | tryed admin, root and toor :( |
| 17:38.30 | th0r | lurkashflake, just the password you defined at install |
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| 17:39.10 | han-solo | lurkashflake: sudo passwd root |
| 17:39.41 | lurkashflake | th0r: That's the problem, I picked no password for root as it was in my phone's option. I only set the user's non-sudoers password. |
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| 17:40.28 | lurkashflake | han-solo: sudo: PERM ROOT: setresuid(0, -1, -1); Permission denied |
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| 17:59.36 | spyyder | someone here using awesomewm with debian ? |
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| 18:00.11 | somiaj | ,popcon awesomewm |
| 18:00.13 | judd | No package named 'awesomewm' was found. |
| 18:00.24 | somiaj | ,popcon awesome |
| 18:00.25 | judd | Popcon data for awesome: inst: 2517, vote: 768, old: 1608, recent: 141, nofiles: 0 |
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| 18:00.46 | somiaj | spyyder: it appears that many people have installed it on their system. (: |
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| 18:01.36 | spyyder | :o what an usefull command, thank you |
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| 18:08.12 | bhurstpdx1 | anyone know what these permissions mean?: -rwxr-S--x |
| 18:08.24 | Iridos | spyyder, the usefulness of the answer often correlates with that of the question |
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| 18:09.08 | Iridos | sure, S should be "suid bit set, but execute not set" |
| 18:09.57 | Iridos | the usefulness of that for anything is a bit doubtful, though |
| 18:10.56 | Iridos | mh, guess the owner can still execute it and become member of the group |
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| 18:14.21 | Iridos | but for what reasons members of the group, who're in the group anyway shouldn't execute it, is beyond me |
| 18:14.41 | somiaj | bhurstpdx1: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/27250/uppercase-s-in-permissions-of-a-folder |
| 18:14.57 | Iridos | it's not a directory, it's a file |
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| 18:15.15 | somiaj | oh missed that |
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| 18:15.53 | Iridos | -rwxr-S--x not drwxr-S--x |
| 18:16.09 | greycat | "setgid without execute" is usually a user error, so the program is trying to help you by pointing out that "Hey, this is probably not what you wanted." |
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| 18:16.33 | srinu | which is better debian / ubuntu / mint |
| 18:17.01 | smw | srinu, for what? |
| 18:17.17 | srinu | for user friendly and for home use |
| 18:17.27 | somiaj | srinu: depends on your prefrences. |
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| 18:17.55 | Iridos | dpkg, best |
| 18:17.56 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 18:18.34 | srinu | my preferences are multimedia, web chat, libreoffice use, and other regular computer use |
| 18:18.43 | smw | srinu, depends on your preferences. I find ubuntu/mint more friendly simply because it has packages installed by default that debian doesn't. Mint if you want a gnome2 like experience (mate) and ubuntu if you want unity or gnome-shell (gnome-shell not installed by default) |
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| 18:19.39 | somiaj | srinu: all three you listed will provide that. They do have different policies about what is a release, upgrades, making non-free software default, etc. I would pick the one you like best. Note you also choose your support community with your choice, we here only support debian. |
| 18:19.40 | smw | srinu, I run debian as my laptop OS right now. I ran to debian with ubuntu went "convergence" crazy and broke stuff. I think ubuntu recovered from that |
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| 18:20.01 | Vonor | hi. trying to install cairo-dock on stretch. it's not in the official repos for stretch, so i use the repo from the developers. however, there are some libraries needed by cairo-dock-plug-ins which are not in stretch either. like libvte-2.90.0 or libical1a |
| 18:21.15 | srinu | what about mint debian edition |
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| 18:21.31 | somiaj | Vonor: if the repo you are using is not designed for streetch or doens't supply the missing repos, you may want to compile the software from source. |
| 18:22.08 | somiaj | srinu: it is closer to debian than ubuntu, but still is not debian, as mint has made some decisions about the software avaiable/choices/configs. Many like it, but choice is yours. |
| 18:22.23 | Vonor | somiaj, apparently they offer a repo for stable, testing, unstable. i went for testing, obviously |
| 18:22.43 | somiaj | Vonor: testing is a moving target, if they don't update their repo as testing changes it could get out of date (maybe that is the issue) |
| 18:22.55 | somiaj | Vonor: any issue with their packages you should report to them. |
| 18:23.02 | lurkashflake | do you guys know repo for package like ettercap? I am a former arch strike user. |
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| 18:23.26 | smw | srinu, how much work do you want to put into this? How strong are your opinions? If you don't care, ubuntu is an excellent default. |
| 18:23.29 | somiaj | lurkashflake: apt-cache search ettercap, I'm seeing it in debian. |
| 18:23.36 | srinu | currently i am using gentoo based linux is switching to debian / debian based linux is a wise idea ? |
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| 18:24.11 | lurkashflake | srinu: debian is easyer to use but if you've mastered gentoo, you probably won't get faster computing |
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| 18:24.24 | lurkashflake | can we set flag in debian? |
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| 18:24.42 | somiaj | srinu: debian stable won't have nearly as 'bleeding edge' software as gentoo will, but everything is known to work well together. That to me will be the biggest thing you might run into (The rest is just getting use to how debian manages things) |
| 18:24.43 | greycat | You mean global compiler options. No. Debian doesn't work that way. |
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| 18:25.52 | somiaj | lurkashflake: at one time debian provided some optimized libc libaries, unsure about that any more as debians defaults aren't i386 compadable anymore. I think they are compiled for i586 now. (or i686 I can't seem to recall) |
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| 18:26.18 | Vonor | gentoo is a great distro. however, i switched to opensuse for my work pc and debian for my home pc because i am tired of building building building and instead just want to use use use :) |
| 18:26.40 | lurkashflake | Vonor: what do you think of arch linux? |
| 18:27.06 | pingfloyd | after awhile you get sick of micro managing things |
| 18:27.16 | lurkashflake | hmm |
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| 18:27.27 | Vonor | only used arch on an old imac like 10 years ago. so can't really speak about arch. |
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| 18:28.42 | lurkashflake | I still can't sudo.... PERM_ROOT: setresuid(0, -1, -1): Permission denied |
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| 18:28.54 | lurkashflake | It is running inside my celphone in a container |
| 18:29.04 | lurkashflake | Is it possible to chroot in that? |
| 18:29.07 | Vonor | lurkashflake, try su - instead :) |
| 18:29.25 | lurkashflake | Vonor: I never chose the passwd :( |
| 18:29.31 | pingfloyd | lurkashflake: is the user in the sudo group? |
| 18:29.33 | lurkashflake | the installer didn't asked |
| 18:30.18 | lurkashflake | pingfloyd: How can I know? I cannot cat /etc/sudoers. |
| 18:30.26 | pingfloyd | groups |
| 18:30.31 | pingfloyd | or id |
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| 18:31.28 | pingfloyd | yeah, you shouldn't be able to cat /etc/sudoers as regular user |
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| 18:31.52 | lurkashflake | I've grep sudo to those command and it doesn't output sudo |
| 18:32.44 | pingfloyd | just type: groups |
| 18:32.56 | Igel | hello |
| 18:33.08 | jelly | lurkashflake: android is weird, don't expect 100% functionality and issues with setuid apps like sudo may just be a consequence of that |
| 18:33.13 | pingfloyd | not the only way, but usually to get sudo your user needs to be in sudo group (with the default configuration). |
| 18:33.42 | lurkashflake | jelly: there must be a way |
| 18:33.57 | pingfloyd | the groups command without args, should list the groups the current user is a member of |
| 18:34.04 | jelly | lurkashflake: yes, ask the people who made the installer you used |
| 18:34.07 | lurkashflake | pingfloyd: i see 60 groups |
| 18:34.20 | Igel | i have a debian amd64 jessie running.. its very stable, but i need to support wine32 -- is it OK to run dpkg --add-architecture i386 and then install wine (the 32bit version?) I see that when i do apt-get install -ys wine.. it wants to install (from 32bit) a bunch+ of stuff eg; libstdc++ .. do these things clash?? does it get separated in /lib and /lib64 ?? |
| 18:34.24 | greycat | pingfloyd: technically, the current process. Which is important if you've changed /etc/groups but haven't logged back in yet. |
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| 18:34.39 | pingfloyd | lurkashflake: is one of them the sudo group? |
| 18:34.46 | lurkashflake | no |
| 18:34.57 | pingfloyd | you should probably fix that first then |
| 18:35.03 | mert | @Igel try installing multiarch-support |
| 18:35.09 | Igel | ok mert |
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| 18:35.16 | lurkashflake | I cannot log in as root, how may it be possible? |
| 18:35.17 | pingfloyd | the default /etc/sudoers requires user being in that group to use sudo |
| 18:35.24 | jelly | Igel: that's the only way to install a 32bit wine, and :i386 and :amd64 libraries from debian are designed not to clash |
| 18:35.32 | lurkashflake | I do not know default root password... |
| 18:36.04 | Igel | shoot.. already the newest version |
| 18:36.06 | Igel | it may be the case |
| 18:36.10 | pingfloyd | lurkashflake: that's a conundrum, so you'll have to somehow get root access. You may need to hack it on boot since you don't know root's password. |
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| 18:36.31 | Vonor | somiaj, would you see a reason why libical1a got removed in testing? |
| 18:36.44 | greycat | Maybe the testing support channel would know! |
| 18:36.56 | lurkashflake | pingfloyd: it's inside a container do you have a clue? (Termux, the android terminal emulator, doesn't have chroot command) |
| 18:37.10 | pingfloyd | lurkashflake: not sure in your situation, but here's one way http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=123334 |
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| 18:37.45 | `Kevin | lurkashflake: docker or lxc |
| 18:38.24 | jelly | mert: "multiarch-support" package is obsolete on debian 8 |
| 18:38.26 | somiaj | Vonor: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libical -- Looks like a version bump, so differen't libary names. I see libical 2.0.0 in testing now and it most likely generates different binary packages than the libical 1.0.1 |
| 18:38.26 | lurkashflake | Kevin: busybox |
| 18:38.28 | Igel | k |
| 18:38.52 | `Kevin | lurkashflake: what are you using to run the container? you said container :) |
| 18:39.05 | Vonor | lurkashflake, you got root outside the container? the fs of the container is mounted? edit the file sudoers file from outside the container then :) |
| 18:39.15 | somiaj | Vonor: so the testing repo is outdated as the software needs to be compiled against the newer libical 2.0.0 libs. |
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| 18:39.41 | lurkashflake | Vonor: you gave me an idea, right now it is installed as an img file but if I install it as a directory I could edit the files! |
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| 18:40.18 | Igel | thanks so much it works! |
| 18:40.22 | holdie | Hi guys, on a 80Gb hdd, with separate /home directory, how much space should I dedicate to my / for a typical Debian installation? |
| 18:41.03 | Vonor | lurkashflake, just mount the image |
| 18:41.20 | Vonor | somiaj, http://download.tuxfamily.org/glxdock/repository/debian/pool/cairo-dock/c/cairo-dock/ looks like the project is dead. |
| 18:41.39 | mert | @jelly @Igel ok |
| 18:42.04 | jelly | holdie: 20G will be enough for a couple years of cruft and a couple large desktop environments or whatever you want to install |
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| 18:42.47 | Iridos | jelly, I just thought 20G will be enough initially⦠you need 50G for cruft |
| 18:42.50 | pingfloyd | it's easy to just allocate the minimal with lvm and grow the LVs as needed |
| 18:44.06 | Vonor | although, looking at the source repo they still commit to it. so lack of man power for debian support or laziness. |
| 18:44.24 | holdie | jelly: thanks |
| 18:45.49 | pingfloyd | holdie: it really depends on what you end up doing. Even without LVM, you can resize partitions and FSes offline (in most cases). |
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| 18:47.09 | holdie | pingfloyd: just out of cruriosity, what tool would I use to resize offline? |
| 18:47.16 | pingfloyd | if having to take the system offline for that is of concern, then you probably should consider using LVM and start off with LVs just a little bigger than what you'll need at first. Then expand them and their FSes as needed. |
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| 18:47.22 | aivkiv | what is better than VNC for LAN connection? I have gigabit connection and HP G9 to spare for that |
| 18:47.45 | pingfloyd | holdie: you can pretty much use any, but gparted is has more safety. |
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| 18:48.01 | jelly | Iridos: dunno, I haven't managed to gain more than 20G for / during the last 16 years |
| 18:48.13 | pingfloyd | holdie: like you can resize partitions in even fdisk, but you have to be more careful to make sure you know what you're doing. |
| 18:48.29 | jelly | Iridos: and I got rid of some libc5 bits just last year |
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| 18:48.48 | pingfloyd | fdisk will gladly let you do it in a way that results in data loss. |
| 18:48.49 | jelly | aivkiv: what's a HP G9 |
| 18:49.31 | pingfloyd | growing is relatively easy either way though |
| 18:50.01 | lurkashflake | 1|root@heroltebmc:/ # mkdir -p /mnt/test |
| 18:50.01 | lurkashflake | root@heroltebmc:/ # mount -o loop /storage/emulated/0/linux.img /mnt/test |
| 18:50.02 | lurkashflake | Usage: mount [-r] [-w] [-o options] [-t type] device directory |
| 18:50.16 | jelly | if they _plan_ on resizing, learning and using LVM would be a good idea instead of putting filesystems on partitions |
| 18:50.43 | lurkashflake | Mounting is hard under android xD why did they fork the linux kernel anyway... this is shit I got 4GB of ram I don't need optimized software I want linux</rant> |
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| 18:50.51 | pingfloyd | holdie: anymore, I always use lvm as my own standard (It has too many benefit beside just online resizing). |
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| 18:51.22 | jelly | lurkashflake: I suggested buying a system that can actually run linux without fuss, not an android thing |
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| 18:51.36 | jelly | suggest* |
| 18:51.42 | pingfloyd | it's an extra set of utils to learn, but it's worth it in the flexibility it brings in managing your storage. |
| 18:51.56 | lurkashflake | jelly: that I can use as a cellphone? Idk if they would have good stats on the market |
| 18:52.04 | holdie | pingfloyd: I should study how to use it... but I have this 80Gb disk that I got for less than £3, and a Thinkpad T420, so I wanted to try debian on it |
| 18:52.13 | jelly | lurkashflake: no, use a cellphone as a cellphone |
| 18:52.18 | lurkashflake | :'( |
| 18:52.19 | aivkiv | jelly, 9gen HP server. |
| 18:52.27 | pingfloyd | holdie: 80G should be more than enough for debian, it's /home that is where you may outgrow it |
| 18:52.28 | aivkiv | DL180 to be precise. |
| 18:52.51 | jelly | so a hp proliant DL180 g9 |
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| 18:53.06 | pingfloyd | holdie: the system itself isn't really that big |
| 18:53.09 | somiaj | Vonor: testing is a hard release to support, since it is a moving target. It maybe they will generate new stable repo once testing is releazed or at least frozen. But you'll have to ask them. I would just try to compile from source. |
| 18:53.18 | jelly | they do have non-intel and non-proliant and proliants but not dl. |
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| 18:53.56 | aivkiv | jelly, Yes. Intel based brand new DL180 proliant. |
| 18:54.21 | pingfloyd | holdie: for example my / is 7G at 1685 packages installed |
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| 18:54.36 | jelly | aivkiv: what do you use a GUI for on a server? |
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| 18:55.08 | holdie | pingfloyd: do you have a DE installed? |
| 18:55.17 | pingfloyd | holdie: /home is at 116G |
| 18:55.22 | pingfloyd | holdie: yeah, I use xfce4 |
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| 18:57.30 | jelly | aivkiv: common practice is using ssh for remote access in management of a small number of servers |
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| 18:58.24 | pingfloyd | holdie: if you use lvm, it's a good idea to leave some free PEs because then you can use snapshots |
| 18:58.24 | aivkiv | jelly, idea is to use it as workstation computer. we have more servers to use as... real servers :D |
| 18:59.16 | aivkiv | jelly, if it would not be the noise, the best solution would be actually having keyboard and monitor connected directly to the server and sitting next to it. |
| 18:59.21 | pingfloyd | also if one of your LVs starts to get full, it's pretty trivial to make them bigger, especially if you're using an FS that supports fsadm |
| 18:59.58 | pingfloyd | if your FS choice supports fsadm you can resize both the LV and filesystem in one command (e.g., lvresize -r ...) |
| 19:00.34 | holdie | pingfloyd: thanks |
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| 19:01.06 | lurkashflake | jelly: there is ubuntu phone I could get probably |
| 19:01.27 | pingfloyd | holdie: no problem |
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| 19:02.21 | pingfloyd | holdie: if you go the LVM route, you still want to make the partition that contains the PV as large as you can |
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| 19:05.30 | holdie | pingfloyd: I think I'll try first with normal partitions, and in the future I'll try lvm |
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| 19:06.58 | pingfloyd | holdie: if you format the FSes directly to partitions, you'll want to make sure that they're unmounted if you ever need to resize them |
| 19:07.26 | holdie | pingfloyd: ok |
| 19:07.27 | pingfloyd | holdie: usually the easiest option for that is to boot off a liveCD |
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| 19:08.11 | pingfloyd | though that isn't necessary if you can actually unmount the FS (i.e., make it so it's not busy) on the partition you want to resize |
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| 19:11.27 | pingfloyd | holdie: if downtime of the system doesn't matter, then LVM is more of a luxury. Having LVM snapshots available is still pretty nice though regardless for testing out scenarios that may alter data on metal. |
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| 19:12.30 | pingfloyd | and also for ensuring consistency when you backup the system |
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| 19:14.53 | pingfloyd | for example my backup script, which uses rsync, will create a snapshot, backup from that, and then discard the snapshot. Doing it this way means there's no possibility for the data to be backed up in an inconsistent state. |
| 19:15.29 | greycat | I have a backup script that does that. It's cool. |
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| 19:16.20 | pingfloyd | greycat: yeah, it's extra peace of mind knowing that my backup will be in the exact state at the moment in time when the snapshot was created. |
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| 19:40.42 | leba2 | By chance, does anyone know about a good and not so heavy software for web page designing? |
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| 19:42.28 | greycat | vim |
| 19:43.03 | babilen | leba2: Look into http://www.staticgen.com/ |
| 19:43.17 | babilen | Paired with emacs + evil and you are golden :) |
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| 19:58.57 | pingfloyd | leba2: you're wanting a wysiwyg tool for that? |
| 19:59.39 | jhutchins | KDE used to have a pretty good web development suite, but that was 3.5. |
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| 20:03.57 | leba2 | greycat: VIM for web designing? |
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| 20:04.31 | leba2 | I was thinking about frontpage and openelement, but both are windows only... |
| 20:05.47 | pingfloyd | technically any text editor should work, but if you're looking for something that is a wysiwyg design tool, that's a different story |
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| 20:06.49 | roger` | hi, wondering why do i have a tun0 interface in ifconfig, it appeared when i migrated my nas to a new machine |
| 20:07.01 | pingfloyd | the way a professional usually designs a site, is they start by creating mockups of pages and then the coding begins. |
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| 20:09.08 | leba2 | Sorry, I don't even know what "wysiwyg" means... |
| 20:09.17 | pingfloyd | what you see is what you get |
| 20:09.28 | leba2 | Aahh. |
| 20:09.31 | cra1g321 | roger` tun0 is related to openvpn |
| 20:09.46 | pingfloyd | the problem with wysiwyg editors is they're always limited |
| 20:09.49 | roger` | oh, i have an openvpn server on that machine |
| 20:09.51 | roger` | good to kno |
| 20:09.58 | roger` | i was getting paranoid ^^ |
| 20:09.58 | cra1g321 | :) |
| 20:10.11 | pingfloyd | it makes more sense to first design the UI, then making your code that supports it. |
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| 20:11.02 | leba2 | Well, right now I don't need too much, but indeed I need more than the online html-editor, because it doesn't even have basic word features like changing paragraph space, font size, etc. |
| 20:11.13 | roger` | thanks for this, also my rtorrent seems to be stuck when i run it, since i migrated to new hardware. maybe i should recompile it |
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| 20:11.58 | leba2 | This one https://html-online.com/editor/ |
| 20:12.21 | roger` | that new server only pumps 23W, the old server was gulping 135 :D |
| 20:12.23 | leba2 | Either total crap or it's supposed to be handled almost exclusively with html code |
| 20:12.56 | leba2 | pingfloyd: ^ |
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| 20:14.06 | roger` | basic html is easy |
| 20:14.39 | roger` | do it by hand, then get into css |
| 20:14.40 | pingfloyd | leba2: he often uses a large assortment of tools, and it really depends on how well they facilitate his design. |
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| 20:15.27 | roger` | makes me think i have to get into bootstrap |
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| 20:17.32 | leba2 | Ok, thanks. |
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| 20:38.43 | Olof_szary | Hello all. I've just updated debian and my X'es are dead. No idea why and how |
| 20:39.29 | Walex | Olof_szary: look at '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' typically |
| 20:39.56 | Iridos | what version of debian is that? |
| 20:40.04 | Walex | Olof_szary: or 'dpkg-recoconfigure' the X server package |
| 20:40.37 | Olof_szary | Walex: I apt-get purged it and reinstalled |
| 20:40.41 | towo` | absolotely useless |
| 20:41.00 | towo` | and again, privide the x-log |
| 20:41.05 | towo` | *provide |
| 20:42.06 | Olof_szary | xorg log says nothing except that the server is terminating successfully, the sddm had some segmentatnion fault, lightdm is doing nothing, I've tried to nvidia-xconfigure new /etc/X11/xorg.conf file but it does not seems to work |
| 20:42.28 | Olof_szary | Were there big changes in last 3 years how xorg is behaving? |
| 20:42.50 | Olof_szary | say, it is not using xorg.conf anymore or something? |
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| 20:43.43 | pingfloyd | why don't you pastebin the log |
| 20:44.11 | Olof_szary | http://paste.debian.net/821942/ |
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| 20:53.33 | Olof_szary | It seems like it is not detecting any monitor |
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| 20:56.12 | pingfloyd | what is the symptom? |
| 20:57.05 | pingfloyd | also can you paste the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 20:57.50 | Olof_szary | pingfloyd: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF119M [NVS 4200M] |
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| 20:58.34 | Olof_szary | the symptoms: the screen is not working, or it seems that it is not working. This is a laptop in docking station (lid closed) |
| 20:58.47 | pingfloyd | need the device ID. did you use the -nn arg? |
| 20:59.33 | Olof_szary | There are 2 monitors connected: DVI and VGA. before the unfortunate update everything was working |
| 20:59.36 | Olof_szary | [10de:1056] (rev a1) |
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| 21:00.52 | pingfloyd | what about when it is undocked and using the laptop's screen? |
| 21:01.26 | pingfloyd | and by not working, do mean the screen stays black and seems to just sit there? |
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| 21:01.55 | Olof_szary | pingfloyd: I was trying it before, not docked, and it was the same: black screen |
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| 21:02.11 | Olof_szary | hold on, I will reboot system to check one more thing |
| 21:02.29 | jhutchins | ,pciid 10de:1056 |
| 21:02.30 | judd | [10de:1056] is 'GF119M [NVS 4200M]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:1056 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 21:02.58 | jhutchins | Olof_szary: Did you say what you upgraded from and to? |
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| 21:03.45 | olof_szary_win | kernel as well, so maybe that is the issue |
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| 21:05.39 | pingfloyd | olof_szary_win: still need more info. Which package version of nvidia-driver are you using? |
| 21:05.58 | pingfloyd | also as jhutchins mentioned, upgrade from which release to which release. |
| 21:07.15 | olof_szary_win | I am still sitting on stretch. I had like 900 packeges to update, last update like 2m ago |
| 21:07.47 | olof_szary_win | update from kernel 4.3 to 4.6 |
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| 21:08.43 | jhutchins | olof_szary_win: Congratulations! Your testsing has successfully located an issue. Please check to see if a bugreport has been filed, and if not, please open one. |
| 21:09.22 | pingfloyd | debian-next |
| 21:09.25 | jhutchins | olof_szary_win: There is a higher concentration of testing users and knowledge on #debian-next on oftc.net. |
| 21:09.27 | pingfloyd | !debian-next |
| 21:09.27 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:11.26 | olof_szary_win | if you need I may pastebin todays aptitude log |
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| 21:14.04 | CtrlC | I installed vim on debian jessie and it seems that it doesn't have python support. I remember it had. How can I fix this? |
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| 21:16.07 | pingfloyd | CtrlC: support in what way? syntax highlighting? |
| 21:17.07 | CtrlC | pingfloyd, No. General support. It can be activated at compile time. |
| 21:17.54 | pingfloyd | CtrlC: can you pastebin output of: dpkg -l "vim*" | grep ^ii |
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| 21:19.12 | CtrlC | pingfloyd, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f2b5757d/ |
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| 21:19.36 | pingfloyd | it's probably because you have vim-tiny installed |
| 21:19.48 | pingfloyd | that's vim compiled with very minimal options |
| 21:19.59 | pingfloyd | but you do have the others |
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| 21:20.08 | pingfloyd | so you might try sudo update-alternatives --config vim |
| 21:20.25 | pingfloyd | it may be defaulting to vim-tiny which isn't what you want |
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| 21:22.20 | CtrlC | pingfloyd, Trying to remove it to see what happens. |
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| 21:24.35 | CtrlC | pingfloyd, sudo update-alternatives --config vim |
| 21:24.36 | CtrlC | There is only one alternative in link group vim (providing /usr/bin/vim): /usr/bin/vim.basic |
| 21:24.36 | CtrlC | Nothing to configure. |
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| 21:25.30 | pingfloyd | looks like vim-gtk has python support compiled in |
| 21:26.49 | CtrlC | pingfloyd, Isn't that GUI? |
| 21:27.37 | CtrlC | Seems it works now. Thanks. But the question still stands. |
| 21:27.54 | pingfloyd | that one works outside of X too |
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| 21:28.08 | CtrlC | Thanks again. |
| 21:28.18 | pingfloyd | no problem |
| 21:28.33 | pingfloyd | so installing vim-gtk worked? |
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| 21:29.04 | jhutchins | I know on some distros vim-python is a separate package. |
| 21:29.11 | pingfloyd | it's really vim-gui that brings in gvim |
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| 21:30.26 | CtrlC | pingfloyd, Yes. It solved the problem. |
| 21:31.14 | jhutchins | Everythin I want vim for is non-gui. |
| 21:31.40 | jhutchins | Being text only is one of it's biggest advantages. |
| 21:31.45 | CtrlC | It is still non-gui |
| 21:32.10 | jhutchins | I usually install vim-nox |
| 21:32.25 | roger` | is there a way to setup a virtual box on my server CLI only and connect to that VM on a windows computer ? |
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| 21:32.51 | lurkashflake | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:33.19 | roger` | if it does what i looking for, i'm down for anything |
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| 21:33.39 | RobinC | roger`, what guest os? |
| 21:33.45 | jhutchins | ,v vim-python |
| 21:33.46 | judd | No package named 'vim-python' was found in amd64. |
| 21:33.57 | pingfloyd | actually I stand corrected. gvim is in vim-gtk too. But the difference is whether you invoke by vim or gvim. But even invoking gvim from console will revert to CLI vim |
| 21:34.09 | roger` | RobinC: i want to run windows xp and kali on my debian machine |
| 21:34.13 | pingfloyd | it will just give an error message about no display and still launch vim regularly |
| 21:34.22 | roger` | then get the CLI on my windows seven |
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| 21:34.43 | roger` | hrm, GUI* |
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| 21:35.14 | pingfloyd | roger`: you can run virtual box headless if you want and then ssh into it |
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| 21:35.33 | roger` | my current workstation doesnt support vitualization, but my new server does, so I want to play with it ^^ |
| 21:35.36 | RobinC | getting a bit off topic for #debian, but you can start any VM headless, but as the guest in this case is windows you will need to RDP/remote desktop/teamviewer in etc as windows does not nativly do a ssh server |
| 21:35.41 | jhutchins | Running a graphical windows installer might be a problem. |
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| 21:35.57 | roger` | that's what i tought |
| 21:36.02 | pingfloyd | roger`: of course you can still access it through having its own vbox window as well and if you don't want gui, simple don't install X etc. |
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| 21:36.21 | kevr | http://sprunge.us/ILSX <= mariadb is the only package causing this issue, and it's stopping me from completing a dist-upgrade, or any install/upgrades |
| 21:36.29 | kevr | nor can i remove it |
| 21:36.33 | RobinC | don't do the install on the server, do the install somewhere else and export the VM once set up |
| 21:36.35 | kevr | this is being executed inside of a chroot |
| 21:36.36 | roger` | well the point would be to get full access on the client machine |
| 21:36.48 | roger` | RobinC: yea i was thinking about it |
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| 21:37.04 | roger` | once its installed i would get full gui access ? |
| 21:37.14 | RobinC | via RDP or some other remote desktop yes |
| 21:37.17 | roger` | great |
| 21:37.19 | kevr | It's completely stopping me from doing anything with aptitude. |
| 21:37.48 | roger` | ok so the client wouldn't use any kind of virtualbox software |
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| 21:38.06 | xreal | Can I run "damn small linux" in Debian's chroot ? |
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| 21:38.19 | roger` | have a lot to read ^^ |
| 21:38.29 | roger` | thanks for the lead |
| 21:39.01 | pingfloyd | roger`: also read up VRDP support with vbox |
| 21:39.10 | pingfloyd | that may interest you |
| 21:39.47 | roger` | i will, good to know |
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| 21:40.34 | pingfloyd | roger`: https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch07.html |
| 21:41.05 | roger` | sweet that's exactly what i want to do |
| 21:41.40 | pingfloyd | yeah, it's pretty flexible |
| 21:42.31 | roger` | gonna have lots of fun with that low power quad core, its only 1.5ghz though, i hope it's gonna run smooth |
| 21:42.54 | pingfloyd | that's really going to come down to workload |
| 21:43.02 | roger` | maybe i should just run VM and put two cores on it |
| 21:43.24 | roger` | the idea is to have a machine to do pentests with kali and a target VM with XP |
| 21:43.42 | roger` | just run one* VM |
| 21:44.01 | pingfloyd | you could even set that up to have both of those as VMs |
| 21:44.13 | roger` | yes that's the idea ^^ |
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| 21:49.10 | jhutchins | xreal: No, the chroot is still running the parent debian. |
| 21:49.27 | jhutchins | xreal: It's just running it on a different filesystem. |
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| 21:49.51 | jhutchins | xreal: To run a different OS or Distribution you need a VM. |
| 21:50.38 | xreal | jhutchins: but DSL is debian based. |
| 21:50.50 | xreal | jhutchins: Actually, Debian debootstrap minimal is still > 120 MB... |
| 21:50.55 | xreal | juhop: DSL is 50 MB only. |
| 21:51.01 | xreal | juhop: sorry ;) |
| 21:51.25 | jhutchins | !debian based |
| 21:51.25 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 21:52.01 | xreal | jhutchins: Actually, I was running gentoo for a long time in a chroot. |
| 21:52.06 | jhutchins | xreal: It doesn't matter, you are running the Debian kernel that's on the original root filesystem. A chroot does not bootstrap. |
| 21:52.28 | xreal | jhutchins: I know, but I don't care that it's the Debian kernel :) |
| 21:52.37 | xreal | jhutchins: I just want a "damn smaller" base for my chroots. |
| 21:52.42 | jhutchins | xreal: In which case you were running gentoo from the gentoo kernel on the root file system. |
| 21:52.53 | xreal | jhutchins: Debian as a kernel, gentoo in the chroot. |
| 21:52.58 | jhutchins | xreal: Maybe you want to look into docker or something. |
| 21:53.05 | xreal | jhutchins: Nope, not interested. |
| 21:53.12 | xreal | But thanks for your hints. I'll keep on trying for myself :) |
| 21:53.23 | jhutchins | xreal: You were running gentoo binaries on debian. |
| 21:54.37 | jhutchins | xreal: You can often get away with running different releases of the same distro in a chroot. That can be a good way to work with testing. Install it dual-boot and chroot into it to fix it when it breaks. |
| 21:54.51 | RobinC | chroots are not fully isolated VMs they provide a little bit of file system isolation, they are not even recommended for security isolation. You always have the original kernel and ofcause proc/sys etc and original kernel modules. you can run some binaries as you have been doing but its not a complete install by any means |
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| 21:55.22 | xreal | I'm using Debian for 5 years now. Stop telling me basics I'm doing every day :) |
| 21:56.06 | jhutchins | xreal: You asked a question that indicated a basic misunderstanding of what chroot is and how it works. |
| 21:56.06 | xreal | brb |
| 21:56.24 | xreal | jhutchins: okay, I am sorry then. I'm not a native speaker. |
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| 21:58.41 | mirko1 | name _mirko_ |
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| 22:01.02 | _mirko_ | hi is there a kde 4 package in debian repos which is maintained? |
| 22:01.26 | tom99 | how can he be running gentoo in a chroot? |
| 22:01.41 | tom99 | Is it running debian kernel with gentoo files? o_o |
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| 22:03.00 | lurkashflake | I am no expert but the gentoo kernel isn't just debian but with less options? xD haha no idea |
| 22:03.47 | jhutchins | lurkashflake: Nope. Completely different build, sometimes customized for a specific install. |
| 22:04.15 | jhutchins | lurkashflake: At some point up stream the kernels do converge, but each distro uses differnt build option and patch sets. |
| 22:04.17 | lurkashflake | So their libraries aren't using the same kernel's options at all |
| 22:04.17 | `Kevin | xreal: docker + apline linux :P |
| 22:04.23 | lurkashflake | ok |
| 22:04.24 | tom99 | As I understand it a chroot is running your own kernel but on a new artificial filesystem |
| 22:04.46 | jhutchins | tom99: Yes, that's correct. |
| 22:05.10 | tom99 | so idk, maybe gentoo is based on debian or something |
| 22:05.16 | tom99 | so that's how it sort of worked |
| 22:05.23 | jhutchins | tom99: Except that it's only the "file system stops at /" that's artificial. |
| 22:05.43 | jhutchins | tom99: No, it's still linux, so there's some compatibility, but you can also have a trainwreck. |
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| 22:06.03 | tom99 | jhutchins: could you have wheezy and run jessie in a chroot or vice versa? |
| 22:06.12 | jhutchins | After all, the packages each one uses are from the up stream projects, so they're meant to run on the Linux kernel. |
| 22:07.01 | jhutchins | tom99: Yeah, I've done the dual-boot thing when the Intel video driver was hosed, and I just kept updating in chroot whenever a new version came out until it fixed it. |
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| 22:07.28 | tom99 | jhutchins: fascinating |
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| 22:08.12 | RobinC | the chroots for different debian versions are awesome when you use the various dpkg chroot builders for cross building across releases. So your dev machine can target and build for releases you are not on |
| 22:08.19 | jhutchins | Part of it is that user space and kernel space are separate. |
| 22:09.11 | jhutchins | RobinC: At one point CentOS had scripts that would set up the chroot environment, build a package in it, then optionally tear it down. |
| 22:09.36 | jhutchins | RobinC: Dunno if they still do that, haven't had to build on CentOS in a while. |
| 22:09.40 | RobinC | dpkg-buildpackage does not |
| 22:09.43 | RobinC | *that |
| 22:10.06 | berndj | does anyone know what's up with openbve? (both in general and its status as a debian package) |
| 22:10.15 | tom99 | so can you cross-compile for some weird system from a wheezy chroot on debian jessie? |
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| 22:11.18 | jhutchins | tom99: Where do you think new software comes from? At some point it has to be compiled, and that has to be on a running system, and if this is the first use on a new architecture it has to be cross-compiled. |
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| 22:11.21 | proggry | hi |
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| 22:11.49 | proggry | How can I force fsck check (on next boot)? I got Debian Jessie, hence systemd, so the old /forcefsck file trick wouldn't work anymore. |
| 22:11.52 | tom99 | jhutchins: That is a logical loophole |
| 22:11.53 | RobinC | so you can run stable and say build for testing or experimental or any other combination. Some of the main reason is so you build in a 100% clean environment that is re-created from scratch which is essential if you are releasing debs to the repositories |
| 22:11.58 | jhutchins | tom99: THe more divergent the platforms, the harder it is, but that's one of the fun things about build-your-own softwarea. |
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| 22:12.40 | jhutchins | proggry: You can check the systemd docs, but systemd does a preliminary fsck by default. |
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| 22:13.03 | proggry | jhutchins: oh cool, so I don't have to force anything then |
| 22:13.21 | jhutchins | RobinC: Which was the logic of setting up and tearing down the chroot every time. |
| 22:13.48 | RobinC | aye |
| 22:14.21 | `Kevin | proggry: try sudo touch /forcefsck |
| 22:14.28 | `Kevin | ah |
| 22:14.29 | `Kevin | nvm ;) |
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| 22:16.28 | `Kevin | proggry: you can edit the kernel cmd line @ grub appending fsck.mode=force |
| 22:17.26 | `Kevin | https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-fsck@.service.html |
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| 22:18.29 | CuteMeOwnThroat | urgh |
| 22:19.19 | proggry | hm |
| 22:20.09 | CuteMeOwnThroat | dpkg, forcefsck |
| 22:20.10 | dpkg | To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line. |
| 22:20.51 | CuteMeOwnThroat | -F seems obsolete, too |
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| 22:23.09 | CuteMeOwnThroat | nice that systemd makes life easier |
| 22:23.25 | CuteMeOwnThroat | and oh well⦠guess booting into singleuser mode and doing it manually is the better bet anyway |
| 22:23.44 | `Kevin | :P |
| 22:24.11 | `Kevin | some backwards compatibility with old methods would be nice |
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| 22:49.07 | CuteMeOwnThroat | `Kevin, I always hated kernel boot parameters |
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| 23:00.29 | xpkill23 | sorry serach debian german |
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| 23:10.46 | mal__ | Good afternoon, I have a netbook with debian 8.5 jessie that boots on CLI |
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| 23:11.02 | mal__ | and I would like to know how to connect to wifi |
| 23:11.27 | mal__ | most of the tutorials and articles I find refer to commands that do not seem to exist in my system and that i cannot install |
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| 23:13.14 | CuteMeOwnThroat | you most likely need firmware for it |
| 23:14.05 | mal__ | CuteMeOwnThroat: if I do "ip a" the interface seems to appear as wlan0 correctly, I can also connect through ethernet by just plugging the cable in |
| 23:14.23 | mal__ | but there should be a way to, you know, selected the BSSID and input password |
| 23:14.31 | tom99 | mal__: That's why I don't use tutorials, I just come here and say debian is crap, how do you even get the wifi connection to work |
| 23:14.48 | tom99 | Selecting the BSSID and inputting the wifi password is so much easier in gentoo |
| 23:14.55 | tom99 | How are you even supposed to do it in debian?! |
| 23:15.17 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i sugest integration between network and systemd |
| 23:15.26 | tom99 | Then hopefully somebody answers and you're done |
| 23:15.41 | mal__ | tom99: let's see now |
| 23:15.43 | mal__ | heh |
| 23:16.12 | tom99 | mal__: it's all about the approach. you have to make it sound like if they can't tell you how to do it, then debian is just GARBAGE |
| 23:16.28 | CuteMeOwnThroat | mal__, did you use one of the non-official install images with firmware or install firmware afterwards? |
| 23:16.28 | tom99 | that way you get everybody trying to out nerd each other to help you |
| 23:16.49 | SilverWhitefish | WARNING: Terminal is not fully functional. |
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| 23:18.59 | mal__ | CuteMeOwnThroat: I have installed debian through net install with LXDE, then altered grub to boot straight to cli as I am using this as a sort of server |
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| 23:19.47 | CuteMeOwnThroat | mal__, do you see your card with lspci -nn? If so, can you tell me the pciid which looks like [8076:1234] |
| 23:19.57 | mal__ | ok |
| 23:20.26 | mal__ | Wireless network adapter |
| 23:20.38 | mal__ | Qualcom Atheros Ar9285 must be this one |
| 23:21.00 | mal__ | 168c:002b |
| 23:21.12 | mal__ | CuteMeOwnThroat: is this what you asked for ? |
| 23:21.25 | CuteMeOwnThroat | judd, pciid 168c:002b |
| 23:21.26 | judd | [168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath9k' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002b http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 23:22.33 | CuteMeOwnThroat | that seems to need firmware-atheros |
| 23:23.45 | mal__ | CuteMeOwnThroat: why do you think I do not have the firmware already in =? |
| 23:24.25 | CuteMeOwnThroat | the short answer or the long answer |
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| 23:25.16 | mal__ | heh |
| 23:25.19 | mal__ | short? |
| 23:25.24 | CuteMeOwnThroat | ha, factoids⦠I don't feel like typing long answers |
| 23:25.39 | CuteMeOwnThroat | short: "it's the most common cause/problem". long answer is why that is |
| 23:25.41 | CuteMeOwnThroat | dpkg, firmware |
| 23:25.42 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 23:26.28 | CuteMeOwnThroat | or short: firmware's been taken out of debian, i.e. debian main and classified as non-free because there is no source for it |
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| 23:28.04 | mal__ | CuteMeOwnThroat: I can use wifi perfectly with this system when LXDE is loaded, |
| 23:28.14 | mal__ | CuteMeOwnThroat: which leads me to believe I do not have such a problem |
| 23:28.28 | CuteMeOwnThroat | well, you didn't say that |
| 23:28.33 | mal__ | I did sir |
| 23:28.41 | mal__ | or maybe i didn't |
| 23:28.46 | mal__ | But I did now |
| 23:28.47 | mal__ | jaja |
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| 23:29.11 | mal__ | my question was never how to make wifi adapter work, but how to use it through CLI |
| 23:29.40 | mal__ | since instructions use commands such as iwlist that do not seem to be available |
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| 23:30.19 | mal__ | wait, iwlist is available with sudo |
| 23:30.30 | CuteMeOwnThroat | you can use apt-file to search for commands not present |
| 23:30.51 | CuteMeOwnThroat | oh yes, it's /sbin/iwlist and sbin is only in the PATH of root |
| 23:31.15 | CuteMeOwnThroat | and I'd stick with network manager for wifi |
| 23:31.27 | CuteMeOwnThroat | and actually I did do that with this laptop |
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| 23:32.06 | mal__ | sorry "network manager" ? |
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| 23:32.21 | CuteMeOwnThroat | the thing lxde and other DEs use |
| 23:32.32 | Olof_szary | ok, I know what was the error with Xorg, but i do not know how to fix it |
| 23:33.01 | mal__ | CuteMeOwnThroat: yes, but I boot on cli |
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| 23:33.21 | CuteMeOwnThroat | if you really want, you can configure them in /etc/network/interfaces ⦠but if it's a laptop and you connect to a lot of wifis on conferences or whatnot, it's ⦠|
| 23:33.26 | Olof_szary | when I typed modprobe nvidia-current-modeset it works ok. but normally modprobe is unable to load nvidia-modeset |
| 23:33.51 | CuteMeOwnThroat | well, "man 5 interfaces" documents the file |
| 23:34.01 | Olof_szary | and this is the default behaviour. Anyone knows how to fix/workaround this? |
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| 23:35.02 | mal__ | CuteMeOwnThroat: is there a simple command to say connect tothisESSID with thispassword ? |
| 23:36.19 | llldino | Hey folks, so I'm trying to add a remote directory hosted on my server to my client computer. I'm using sshfs, and mounting a dir owned by bob on the server computer. Bob is only allowed to connect via sftp, and is chroot jailed in and has no access to a shell. I thought sshfs works with sftp and not direct ssh access. Is this true? |
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| 23:36.27 | CuteMeOwnThroat | unfortunately documentation is a bit more spread out, because commands for connected programs are configured there, too |
| 23:36.33 | Olof_szary | mal__: if you are using network manager, it creates the default files for each network you have connected. Otherwise you may try from commandline iwconfig |
| 23:37.35 | CuteMeOwnThroat | mal__, no, it has to be configured in the interfaces file first. maybe there is now some network-manager way that doesn't use a graphical frontend, but I haven't done that |
| 23:37.37 | mal__ | Olof_szary: how do I use iwconfig to login ? |
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| 23:38.56 | mal__ | CuteMeOwnThroat: I am editing the etc/network/interfaces looking around how to add ESSID + PASS |
| 23:39.13 | CuteMeOwnThroat | there should be some examples for common uses around |
| 23:39.30 | Olof_szary | mal__: i got in the middle of the talk, so I am not sure if I am answering your question correctly, iwconfig wlan0 essid "whatever" key .... |
| 23:39.48 | bhurstpdx1 | what would happen if you concatenated a file to an existing charatcter special file? |
| 23:40.22 | tom99 | [18:30] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oh yes, it's /sbin/iwlist and sbin is only in the PATH of root |
| 23:40.41 | tom99 | Man the $PATH variable is sooo much easier to use on gentoo and slackware. |
| 23:40.52 | mal__ | Olof_szary: that looks like I want to do, but I did not understand where and how the wildcards are located in the command you just wrote |
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| 23:41.01 | tom99 | I'll bet you can't even find the $PATH of root user and paste it! |
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| 23:41.23 | mal__ | Olof_szary: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "nameofessidjustlikethis?" key "key?" |
| 23:43.14 | Olof_szary | mal__: read the man for iwconfig to better understand how to pass the key, because there are several possibilities |
| 23:43.40 | mal__ | Olof_szary: any reccomendations? |
| 23:44.04 | Olof_szary | mal__: it's been 3 years since I used command-line iwconfig, sorry |
| 23:44.14 | Olof_szary | don't remember much |
| 23:45.02 | somiaj | tom99: can you please stay on topic. The noise of 'it is so much better on gentoo/slackware' are not helpful in resolving the issue the user is having. |
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| 23:45.36 | mal__ | ok thank you |
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| 23:45.49 | Olof_szary | one question before i boot, because I am not sure if I understood man modprobe.d correctly. |
| 23:45.58 | tom99 | somiaj: I figured nobody could pastebinit or paste their $PATH. it's just easier on other linux systems |
| 23:46.07 | tom99 | somiaj: guess i was right! |
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| 23:47.04 | Olof_szary | adding to any .conf file the line "alias nvidia-modeset nvidia-current-modeset" will result in the behavour, that calling modprobe nvidia-modeset |
| 23:47.19 | Olof_szary | will in fact call modprobe nvidia-current-modeset |
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| 23:49.15 | Olof_szary | mal__: it was in 2008 in fact, when I was using gentoo. the only thing I remember is that the key part is most tricky one |
| 23:50.06 | Olof_szary | +, if you have several repetears with the same ssid, you may choose additional options to determine where to connect |
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| 23:53.40 | mal__ | Ok I solved my problem |
| 23:53.47 | mal__ | editing etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:53.48 | mal__ | adding |
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| 23:54.32 | mal__ | allow-hotplug wlan0 |
| 23:54.32 | mal__ | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 23:54.32 | mal__ | wpa-ssid MYESSID |
| 23:54.32 | mal__ | wpa-psk MYPASS |
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| 23:55.02 | mal__ | sorry |
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| 23:55.23 | mal__ | #flood |
| 23:55.34 | surfist | mal__ are you trying to connect to a wifi? |
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| 23:55.41 | mal__ | I already did |
| 23:55.50 | mal__ | on a debian jessie that boots to cli |
| 23:55.51 | surfist | wpa_supplicant is fun |
| 23:56.01 | surfist | I can't stand NetworkManager |
| 23:56.05 | surfist | I kill it |
| 23:56.11 | mal__ | I just edited etc/network/interfaces with the info above |
| 23:56.11 | surfist | and use wpa_cli |
| 23:57.11 | jmcnaught | on Jessie NetworkManager has nmtui (ncurses interface). One can also use a command like "nmcli device wifi connect SSID PASSWORD" |
| 23:57.23 | surfist | wpa_gui is fun too |
| 23:57.34 | surfist | it edits wpa_supplicant-root.conf |
| 23:57.37 | mal__ | thank you guys |
| 23:57.43 | surfist | which can also be done by hand |
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