| 00:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't exactly see why root can just go ahead either, because ⦠if you strace system-config-printer you see it connecting to the web interface |
| 00:00.32 | ixor | go paperless! |
| 00:00.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | well ok, *and* /var/run/cups/cups.sock |
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| 00:02.12 | RoyK | ixor: the "paperless office" was introduced by IBM around 1985 :D |
| 00:04.17 | ixor | booom |
| 00:04.21 | ixor | there ya go |
| 00:04.38 | ixor | lets cut regulations and tax 98% |
| 00:04.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, they didn't think it through⦠all offices are now paperless as such as all original documents are stored digitally |
| 00:04.47 | ixor | endless boom econoomy |
| 00:04.51 | ixor | trump all the way |
| 00:04.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | but of course you need all documents in triplicates and those ⦠|
| 00:05.08 | ixor | end teacher and lawyer profession |
| 00:05.14 | ixor | and end sociali worker profession |
| 00:06.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | DeaDSouL, try "stop" followed by "start" |
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| 00:06.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | DeaDSouL, best checking in between that the processes are really gone |
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| 00:12.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | otyugh, and I can't tell if I can actually add printers after that, because there are no printers to add here |
| 00:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | gn |
| 00:13.59 | otyugh | ^^ |
| 00:14.08 | otyugh | Damn, nobody have printer theses days ? |
| 00:14.25 | otyugh | Well the problem is still ; it's asking password when it shouldn't... |
| 00:14.56 | nevyn | CutMeOwnThroat: it should just be root. |
| 00:15.08 | nevyn | connect to localhost:631 in a browser and see what's what? |
| 00:15.08 | otyugh | Or ! This is normal, and I'm used to arch. |
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| 00:22.23 | cesurasean | hey guys, my xen servers is giving my debian jessie more ram than it's noticing. it's not a xen issue. why will my debian jessie not see more than 4GB ram? |
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| 00:23.09 | abrotman | cesurasean: which kernel is your instance using? |
| 00:23.20 | cesurasean | same as the host |
| 00:23.34 | abrotman | uname -r, show us |
| 00:23.35 | cesurasean | 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 00:25.20 | cesurasean | Mem: 3995496 |
| 00:25.26 | cesurasean | thats 4GB, correct? |
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| 00:25.28 | cesurasean | of 40GB? |
| 00:26.21 | abrotman | are you checking "free" ? |
| 00:26.33 | abrotman | you can use 'free -g' |
| 00:27.11 | cesurasean | yes |
| 00:27.13 | cesurasean | same difference |
| 00:27.21 | cesurasean | how do i get debian to recognize all the ram? |
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| 00:27.44 | abrotman | check 'dmesg', look to see what it is saying |
| 00:27.59 | N0Lif3 | how can I adjust the screen brightness on my xfce debian laptop? |
| 00:28.31 | Gryllida | N0Lif3: is it a laptop? fn + an F key with a sun on it could work |
| 00:28.58 | N0Lif3 | that isn't working |
| 00:29.02 | cesurasean | i think i have a 32bit system |
| 00:29.06 | cesurasean | and need to convert to 64 |
| 00:29.12 | cesurasean | im just running a 64 kernel, im afraid |
| 00:29.14 | abrotman | cesurasean: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 00:29.32 | Gryllida | N0Lif3: fn + up or fn + down; install xbacklight and try again |
| 00:29.40 | cesurasean | i386 |
| 00:29.45 | cesurasean | how do i convert it to 64? |
| 00:29.52 | abrotman | cesurasean: is there a -686-pae kernel ? |
| 00:30.02 | abrotman | cesurasean: you really can't .. I mean, you can, but it's cumbersome |
| 00:30.24 | cesurasean | abrotman, what is the easiest way? |
| 00:30.40 | abrotman | cesurasean: reinstall |
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| 00:31.30 | abrotman | makes a note to clean up the garbage in $HOME before the next time he gets a new laptop |
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| 00:31.51 | cesurasean | reinstall isnt really an option here |
| 00:33.08 | abrotman | cesurasean: can you intsall the -686-pae kernel? |
| 00:33.13 | cesurasean | yes |
| 00:33.20 | cesurasean | its running now |
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| 00:34.44 | abrotman | cesurasean: and how much RAM does it see ? |
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| 00:34.54 | abrotman | thought 686-pae could see up to 64GB |
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| 00:46.14 | acu__ | hey guys I have two interesting issues - I have a ASUS AMD10 Laptop N56DP and it was running on Debian Jessie on a solid state drive - for more than one year, until few weeks ago, it did not boot anymore - then I added another hdd, install jessie and it does not boot- windows boots OK - is there a chance that EFI partition is different created by windows ? |
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| 01:05.17 | t0xic | hello |
| 01:05.32 | t0xic | I need help regarding this apt issue http://paste.ee/p/l5Hyl |
| 01:05.55 | t0xic | is there away to fix that without a complete reinstall |
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| 01:28.33 | rjsalts | t0xic: there is usually always a way. It looks like your problem is you have systemd from backports but systemd-sysv is from jessie |
| 01:28.47 | t0xic | yes exactly |
| 01:28.51 | t0xic | plz help |
| 01:29.15 | t0xic | i removed backports from sources.list |
| 01:29.26 | t0xic | how to downgrade |
| 01:29.47 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 01:29.47 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 01:30.00 | njumdl2014 | Hi, I have a notebook with 16G memory. However, for one experiment which will last 3 months, I have to install a 32bit debian testing. How could I use memory above 4G in 32 bit debian? |
| 01:31.04 | ixor | USA is numero uno |
| 01:31.06 | ixor | :) |
| 01:31.42 | rjsalts | njumdl2014: you can run a 64-bit kernel with i386 userland |
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| 01:32.13 | ixor | I am tempted to switch from freebsd to debian |
| 01:32.15 | ixor | ;) |
| 01:32.18 | ixor | he he |
| 01:32.22 | ixor | <---lil devil |
| 01:32.24 | njumdl2014 | I think I need a 32bit kernel in my experiment |
| 01:32.25 | ixor | ;) |
| 01:32.29 | rjsalts | njumdl2014: or install one of the pae kernels |
| 01:32.41 | awal1 | pae kernel if amd64 compatible machine? |
| 01:33.27 | njumdl2014 | like linux-image-686-pae? |
| 01:33.33 | rjsalts | aye |
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| 01:34.33 | simbalion | could anyone tell me why I get no audio from this webpage? I am wondering if it's related to the issues I've had with audio on other websites. My audio in firefox usually works, for example youtube works. http://sig.gy/beatboxer/ |
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| 01:35.29 | rjsalts | it has translation tables for accessing memory above the 4 gig limit, but will be less efficient. There is memory overhead for storing the translation table, and performance penalties when you need to switch tables |
| 01:36.40 | njumdl2014 | How big is the overhead? 20%,50% or else? |
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| 01:38.50 | rjsalts | njumdl2014: free will tell you, http://askubuntu.com/questions/151068/for-a-32-bit-kernel-what-are-the-pros-cons-of-pae-vs-non-pae |
| 01:39.03 | ixor | werc.cat-v.org web domination |
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| 01:41.08 | ixor | so what kernel does debian 8.5 have? |
| 01:41.12 | ixor | it seems 4.7 is stable |
| 01:41.49 | dvs | !kernels |
| 01:42.07 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.8-rc6, stable 4.7: 4.7.4, stable 4.6: 4.6.7 (EOL), longterm 4.4: 4.4.21, longterm 4.1: 4.1.32, longterm 3.18: 3.18.41, longterm 3.16: 3.16.37, longterm 3.14: 3.14.79 (EOL), longterm 3.12: 3.12.63, longterm 3.10: 3.10.103, longterm 3.4: 3.4.112, longterm 3.2: 3.2.82, linux-next: next-20160915 |
| 01:42.47 | dvs | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 01:42.48 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.6+74~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.6+74; sid: 4.7+75 |
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| 01:59.49 | njumdl2014 | rjsalts, thank you. |
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| 02:01.46 | awal1 | ixor, the answer is simple: if you machine is 64 bit compatible, it should be since you have 16 gb of ram, install a i386 system+pae-kernel |
| 02:01.57 | awal1 | if your ^ |
| 02:02.25 | awal1 | an i386 ^ :P |
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| 02:06.13 | njumdl2014 | For 32bit kernel without pae, could it address memory above 4G? |
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| 02:06.58 | njumdl2014 | And if you want to use memory above 4G in 32bit kernel, you must use pae. Yes? |
| 02:07.24 | awal1 | no |
| 02:07.31 | awal1 | yes |
| 02:08.36 | njumdl2014 | Ok I know. |
| 02:08.42 | awal1 | 32 bit kernel will be obsolete soon (in a few years) |
| 02:09.32 | njumdl2014 | I will just use 2 months. Then I will replace it with 64 bit |
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| 02:10.28 | awal1 | ixor, sorry I confused you with njumdl2014 :P |
| 02:11.08 | awal1 | njumdl2014, your machine is 64 bit compatible, right? |
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| 02:13.38 | njumdl2014 | Yes |
| 02:13.52 | njumdl2014 | I have installed 64bit system before. |
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| 02:14.14 | njumdl2014 | For some specific reason, I have to install 32bit debian |
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| 02:16.29 | njumdl2014 | Another question, by default online accounts will create an email account in evolution. However, i don't like evolution too much. I like thunderbird/icedove. After I install icedove, how do I make online accounts create email account in icedove? |
| 02:16.52 | pingfloyd | njumdl2014: in a VM on a system without vt-{x,d}? |
| 02:16.53 | awal1 | an easy & fast way to find out, if compatible is just running getconf LONG_BITS |
| 02:18.18 | njumdl2014 | getconf LONG_BIT: 32 |
| 02:18.24 | njumdl2014 | in my 32bit debian |
| 02:18.25 | awal1 | online accounts is a gnome stuff? |
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| 02:19.05 | awal1 | got confused, system/machine :D |
| 02:19.05 | njumdl2014 | https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeOnlineAccounts |
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| 02:21.09 | awal1 | for machine , an easy way cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags |
| 02:21.32 | awal1 | and check if you see lm (long mode) |
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| 02:24.38 | njumdl2014 | I have check the exist of `lm` in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:26.03 | njumdl2014 | Are memory range 32bit pae addresses and memory range 64bit addresses the same? 2^64 or 2^48. |
| 02:26.46 | njumdl2014 | And it's great that debian testing installs 32bit pae kernel by default. |
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| 02:33.51 | pingfloyd | pae is less than ideal |
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| 02:40.09 | tom99 | wait there are ham radio groups that meet up and learn radio |
| 02:40.16 | tom99 | and groups that meet up and teach each other node.js |
| 02:40.24 | tom99 | why isn't there a group where we help each other learn debian?? |
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| 02:41.28 | Hello71 | it's called a LUG |
| 02:44.07 | tom99 | oh, how do I find one of those |
| 02:45.02 | tom99 | actually wait nevermind, I've become so bitter having been sealed in an antisocial cocoon that I can't interact with people without constant sarcasm and being annoying |
| 02:45.07 | tom99 | nevermind |
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| 03:14.27 | debkad | finally i installed xfce 4.12 and checked from xfwm4 the key 'zoom_desktop' it exist and enabled but surprised the zooming not working :( |
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| 03:33.28 | sopretty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm34sj65MkA |
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| 03:40.20 | sede | hell |
| 03:40.38 | tom99 | sede: cocaine is a hell of a drug indeed |
| 03:41.36 | ixor | lower government spending |
| 03:41.38 | ixor | and regulations |
| 03:42.30 | regedit | keep calm and spew nonsense everyone |
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| 03:47.54 | debkad | any help |
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| 03:55.23 | somiaj | debkad: what is your question. |
| 03:55.48 | debkad | <debkad> finally i installed xfce 4.12 and checked from xfwm4 the key 'zoom_desktop' it exist and enabled but surprised the zooming not working :( |
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| 03:56.52 | debkad | my goal is to switch from arch to debian |
| 03:57.06 | somiaj | debkad: does xfce have a channel, they may be able to shead some light or what to debug. I'm not that familar with xfce, but have you check your logs, does xfce report to $HOME/.xsession-errors |
| 03:57.33 | debkad | somiaj, yeah i was in their channel but it is about 50 min without answer |
| 03:59.13 | debkad | thanks for trying help me somiaj |
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| 04:01.57 | debkad | i liked debian, got the sound better compared to arch and i'm not forced to use some workaround to unmute the headphones at startup, also the lirc module work better with vdr, for that i decided to switch into debian |
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| 04:02.59 | CastyMcBoozer | I used to be an arch fan, but haven't played with linux in a while....been playing around I think I like this Deepin distro based on Debian, pretty slick interface |
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| 04:05.30 | somiaj | debkad: what version of debian are you using? Sounds like testing? |
| 04:05.34 | Kirito | Is reprepo probably the best bet for managing a simple custom Debian repository? It seems to be, the official Debian solution is likely overkill and most other solutions seem to be pretty dead (the only official documentation I found on this seems extremely old itself) |
| 04:05.59 | Kirito | but I do see reprepo still being used and referenced in some more modern infrastructures |
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| 04:06.54 | debkad | somiaj, indeed, i changed everything in /etc/apt/sources.list from 'jessie' to 'testing' to be able to install xfce 4.12 |
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| 04:07.34 | somiaj | debkad: I assume you have fully dist-upgraded to testing? |
| 04:08.02 | lethu | Hello, is there any benefit installing the amd microcode? |
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| 04:08.50 | somiaj | lethu: yes. |
| 04:09.31 | lethu | somiaj, thanks for answering, what are the benefits like? |
| 04:09.34 | somiaj | (provided you are running and amd cpu |
| 04:09.42 | lethu | yes I am |
| 04:09.52 | ass | Do you need a fast computer to run debian |
| 04:09.59 | Kirito | No. |
| 04:10.01 | ryouma | no |
| 04:10.08 | Kirito | But that depends entirely on what you want to do with Debian. |
| 04:10.14 | debkad | somiaj, i did an upgrade only |
| 04:10.34 | somiaj | debkad: you may still have some stable packages installed, do a full dist-upgrade to be fully running testing. |
| 04:10.37 | ass | I want to set up a workstation |
| 04:10.55 | somiaj | ass: debian offers lots of light weight windowmanagers that can run on fairly modesst hardware |
| 04:11.14 | ass | I have a 6700k I7 and 32gb of ram |
| 04:11.19 | Kirito | Sure, Debian can work very well on older machines then. You just may want to opt for a more lightweight Desktop Environment, such as XFCE, or LXDE |
| 04:11.26 | Kirito | oh okay you're a troll |
| 04:11.33 | Kirito | should have figured that out with your nick. |
| 04:11.40 | debkad | somiaj, thanks i will try to dist-upgrade |
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| 04:12.06 | Kirito | well he gave up surprisingly quick. |
| 04:12.09 | debkad | ass, mine is slow/old |
| 04:12.58 | somiaj | lethu: I don't know the details. It is firmware for your cpu in essence that can contain updates and improvements for your cpu. This has some more info https://wiki.debian.org/Microcode |
| 04:12.59 | debkad | as someone tell me to pick up the non-pae , my pc is a little fast compared to pae |
| 04:13.33 | somiaj | pae? |
| 04:15.09 | debkad | somiaj, my cpu support a pae but i have only 1G , the guy say you don't need the pae as your RAM is less than 3G |
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| 04:16.02 | somiaj | debkad: if you are running a 64bit kernel then you need not worry about it. And yes in a 32bit kernel you will need it for >3G (I jsut forgot that was pae) |
| 04:16.02 | han-solo | 1GB? |
| 04:16.19 | han-solo | pae? |
| 04:16.19 | somiaj | of ram I'm assuming |
| 04:16.28 | debkad | thats it it is 32bit |
| 04:16.49 | han-solo | is that an acronymn? |
| 04:17.11 | debkad | han-solo, it is something from cpu |
| 04:17.15 | somiaj | han-solo: linux-image-686-pae A kernel with PAE (Physical Address Extension) to map more than 3gigs of memeory |
| 04:17.21 | debkad | cpu flag* |
| 04:17.25 | lethu | somiaj, thanks for the info, I looked that page up, definitely a must have |
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| 04:17.36 | somiaj | debkad: it is about the kernel (not cpu). |
| 04:17.38 | han-solo | debkad: okay |
| 04:17.41 | han-solo | somiaj: thanks |
| 04:17.44 | debkad | oh |
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| 04:18.16 | somiaj | it is a kernel that contains additional features to allow a 32bit system to map more than 3gigs of memeory in some form of extened memeory |
| 04:18.26 | cupof | Is there a port of mono that will work on debian? |
| 04:18.33 | debkad | i think i'm confused when i look in /proc/cpuinfo i see the pae in the flag |
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| 04:20.14 | somiaj | debkad: I think it is both. But it seems most of the i386 cpus have that feature. |
| 04:20.35 | debkad | ok |
| 04:20.43 | debkad | how can i get my username in the login screen from lightdm |
| 04:21.15 | somiaj | as in you don't want to type it in and it is there by default? |
| 04:21.28 | somiaj | or you want to know the name of the user you loged as? |
| 04:21.28 | cupof | you can look at your home folder and they should tell what users are on the linux system |
| 04:21.52 | debkad | yes, when i want to login i must to type it each time |
| 04:22.28 | debkad | cupof, only me |
| 04:23.05 | somiaj | debkad: http://askubuntu.com/questions/59199/can-i-set-a-default-user-in-lightdm |
| 04:23.20 | somiaj | debkad: My guess is that will apply, edit the config file in the answer and add the desired option |
| 04:24.22 | somiaj | sometimes you can man conf files, try man lightdm.conf to see if it gives you any more info about config options |
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| 04:25.30 | cupof | The "default-user" option has been removed from lightdm. |
| 04:26.06 | debkad | somiaj, when i look into that file everything is commented, and when i checked the lightdm.log i seen it picked this one /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/01_debian.conf |
| 04:26.17 | somiaj | oh that is out dated...nevermind |
| 04:26.26 | debkad | ah |
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| 04:26.44 | somiaj | debkad: lots of configs come that way, look thorugh the comments, does one look like it does what you want? |
| 04:26.53 | somiaj | you can then just uncomment the options you need to set |
| 04:28.33 | debkad | this one 'user-session=default' looks a little close |
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| 04:29.12 | debkad | there is this one too: # user-session = Session to load for users |
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| 04:30.19 | somiaj | debkad: session is say xfce vs gnome vs fvwm etc |
| 04:30.32 | somiaj | what is loaded, not the user who is selected by default. |
| 04:31.11 | somiaj | debkad: the first you linked was the config, just commented out but if you wanted you could uncomment and use it. The second is just a comment telling you about the option. |
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| 04:31.23 | M4L3 | i'm using proxychains, and it just keep timing out |
| 04:31.29 | debkad | i'm the only user that why i don't understand why it can't choose me by default |
| 04:31.34 | M4L3 | any reason for this? |
| 04:31.50 | somiaj | debkad: I'm unsure as I don't use a dispaly manager. But if it is a config option you are now looking in the right spot. |
| 04:32.11 | cupof | The other options are Kdm and Gdm |
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| 04:32.53 | somiaj | there are a handful more in debian. slim use to be popular. there is also the old standards xdm or wdm |
| 04:34.11 | debkad | thanks i will test those options and see if that make some change if not i will try another manager |
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| 04:48.48 | somiaj | debkad: foudn the setting. greeter-hide-users=false is the config you need in lighdm.conf on jessie. This will give you a drop down menu to pick your user, and it should default to that each time |
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| 04:52.36 | M4L3 | is there a reason why I'm being timeout when trying to scan using proxychain? |
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| 04:53.45 | debkad | somiaj, it is already like that, when i read the wiki about lightdm, but no scrolling o_o |
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| 04:54.24 | babylies | Hey. |
| 04:54.52 | M4L3 | hi |
| 04:54.58 | M4L3 | bye ? |
| 04:55.19 | somiaj | debkad: I just tested it in a jessie vm, and when I boot it has my user slected by default. |
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| 04:57.54 | debkad | something is wrong in my side, or may be it is by the testing release |
| 04:58.17 | debkad | i will check when the dist-upgrade finish |
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| 04:59.06 | average | How do you call "the time it too for an HTTP request to complete" ? |
| 04:59.08 | average | roundrip time? |
| 04:59.09 | average | request time? |
| 04:59.11 | average | is there a word for it? |
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| 05:00.07 | debkad | you ask in both channels |
| 05:00.15 | debkad | ##linux and here |
| 05:00.49 | average | yes, I did |
| 05:00.54 | average | debkad: so do you have an answer? |
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| 05:01.13 | debkad | no :( |
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| 05:01.16 | average | ok |
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| 05:30.36 | debkad | somiaj, thanks, my name is shown in login session with a list enabled, the zoom part from xfce still not working |
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| 06:05.47 | somiaj | debkad: even after you fully dist-upgraded and are running a full testing system? |
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| 06:06.40 | debkad | somiaj, i fixed the zoom, i was surprised the folks in #xfce don't know what the problem |
| 06:07.15 | somiaj | oh good, was it a config issue or not fully dist-upgrade, or missing some libary/package? |
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| 06:08.01 | debkad | somiaj, it was just to enable 'use_compositing' from xfwm4 |
| 06:08.44 | debkad | i was a little crazy when i tried to enable most everything :D |
| 06:08.48 | somiaj | that makes sense |
| 06:08.58 | somiaj | though I woudln't have thought compositing was the issue |
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| 06:09.38 | debkad | somiaj, when googling i found only the 'zoom_desktop' to be enabled |
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| 06:30.06 | powerisnow | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmcIdnAJamY |
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| 06:39.13 | debkad | o_o |
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| 06:53.04 | VerbalKint | Oh man, powerisnow has opened my eyes </sarcasm> |
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| 06:58.37 | zorg24 | I'm having an issue where all text in an application is rendering as rectangles, it looks like this http://imgur.com/a/YXuYZ in particular this is a an IDE based on eclipse (so its a java application) |
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| 07:05.49 | cupof | Is freesync supported on the open source amd drivers |
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| 07:16.45 | vahe | how to create an archive folder ? |
| 07:17.08 | vahe | want to download fully user folder |
| 07:17.32 | bazhang | an archive of what vahe |
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| 07:18.07 | tom99 | I don't know what that is zorg24 |
| 07:18.11 | tom99 | and neither does anybody else |
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| 07:18.36 | vahe | bazhang: want to download all that is in the user folder from the server |
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| 07:18.56 | nkuttler | vahe: tar |
| 07:19.07 | nkuttler | vahe: or just rsync the thing |
| 07:19.18 | vahe | but how? |
| 07:19.26 | nkuttler | vahe: how what? |
| 07:19.52 | vahe | how to download what's the command |
| 07:20.01 | nkuttler | vahe: man rsync, man tar, man scp |
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| 07:20.36 | vahe | nkuttler: thanks |
| 07:20.44 | vahe | bazhang: thanks |
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| 07:21.08 | bazhang | np |
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| 07:31.21 | Arone | tgif ? |
| 07:32.10 | teraflops | oh yeah TGIF |
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| 07:32.34 | Arone | oh yeaaaaaaaa |
| 07:32.35 | Arone | :D |
| 07:32.52 | Arone | this week = bear + nfl |
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| 07:33.02 | Arone | beer* |
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| 07:33.36 | teraflops | !TGIF is <reply> Thank God it's Friday |
| 07:33.36 | dpkg | okay, teraflops |
| 07:34.04 | Arone | !brb |
| 07:34.04 | dpkg | arone: brb, too. Be Right Back |
| 07:34.07 | Arone | !af |
| 07:34.07 | dpkg | af is an <Emacs>-like mail reader and composer, removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #460635. See also <advformat>. |
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| 07:37.15 | Mava | !beer |
| 07:37.15 | dpkg | i heard beer is liquid gold mate |
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| 07:39.05 | Arone | Sep 16 09:39:40 ***********.eu dovecot[20458]: master: Dovecot v2.2.13 starting up for imap, pop3, lmtp (core dumps disabled) |
| 07:39.09 | Arone | victory ! |
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| 07:47.27 | armin | hi. my Xorg is randomly crashing and i try to find the cause, however i see nothing weird in dmesg or so. i start X from xinitrc and redirect both stdout and stderr to a log-file, which i have gist'ed here: https://gist.github.com/65766847dda8ec0d845d093961d1b65c - anyone an idea how to proceed debugging? |
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| 07:54.38 | lethu | armin, do you have a dual gpu setup? |
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| 07:55.23 | armin | lethu: i don't think so: |
| 07:55.24 | armin | [armin@destruction] ~ $ lspci | grep -i vga | wc -l |
| 07:55.26 | armin | 1 |
| 07:55.27 | armin | [armin@destruction] ~ $ |
| 07:55.28 | teraflops | armin: please paste the xorg.log too |
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| 07:56.04 | armin | teraflops: my assumption is that i don't have one. |
| 07:56.10 | teraflops | intel gpu? |
| 07:56.15 | armin | yes. |
| 07:56.20 | armin | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics (rev 09) |
| 07:56.24 | teraflops | armin: you always have a xorg.log |
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| 07:56.41 | teraflops | the log not the conf |
| 07:56.56 | armin | teraflops: where? oldest file in my /var/log/ is weeks ago and i moved away from a graphical login manager in favor of xinitrc. |
| 07:57.04 | teraflops | armin: are you in jessie? |
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| 07:57.20 | armin | testing actually, to circumvent a bug in jessie. |
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| 07:58.02 | teraflops | armin: you so startx or you use gdm/lightdm or whatever |
| 07:58.11 | teraflops | you use* |
| 07:59.04 | teraflops | armin: I dont have a testing machine here but take a look at ~/.local/share/xorg |
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| 07:59.52 | armin | teraflops: aaaah that looks good! |
| 07:59.53 | teraflops | latest Xorg run as user |
| 08:00.13 | teraflops | that's why I asked about stable or not |
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| 08:02.06 | armin | teraflops: there's nothing which looks strange to me either. |
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| 08:02.45 | teraflops | armin: so you have intel gpu and you switched to testing recently? |
| 08:02.54 | armin | teraflops: yes. |
| 08:03.05 | teraflops | which intel gpu model? |
| 08:03.10 | armin | teraflops: well, 3 months ago actually, and the crashing only happens since 2 days. |
| 08:03.17 | armin | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics (rev 09) |
| 08:03.22 | teraflops | that's testing ^ |
| 08:03.30 | teraflops | armin: give a try to modesetting |
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| 08:05.13 | teraflops | uninstall the xf86 intel driver and delete/move away any snippets on /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ then restart |
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| 08:08.47 | armin | teraflops: i just did that and re-booted and logged back in. everything seems to be working (still) for now. i will see if this helps with the stability. |
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| 08:09.37 | teraflops | ok, good look, modesseting is fine at least when the xorg video intel package behaves silly |
| 08:09.44 | teraflops | luck* |
| 08:09.59 | armin | teraflops: i'll definitely let you know. |
| 08:10.33 | teraflops | oh my I need more coffee. modesetting* |
| 08:10.40 | armin | oh, me too. brb. |
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| 08:13.09 | KlausedSource | hey, this question might be a little odd but does anyone know of a program/driver to create hpgl2 files from pdf? |
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| 08:23.51 | stoned | Good morning |
| 08:24.09 | stoned | Went to bed at 6pm, woke up at 2am. What the hell, man. |
| 08:25.08 | tom99 | meth is a hell of a drug |
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| 08:26.03 | stoned | I suggest you stop using drugs. |
| 08:26.08 | stoned | Drugs are bad. |
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| 08:35.33 | Arone | And the rain comming ... |
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| 08:46.00 | bladeplate | hi |
| 08:46.07 | stoned | Hello |
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| 08:47.25 | bladeplate | i've sucessfully run the installation of debian, after rebooting it hangs after grub it says "loading" |
| 08:48.02 | bladeplate | i installed debian on vaio p with a gma500 |
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| 08:48.36 | bladeplate | when i run in recovery mode.it hangs after detecting usb connector |
| 08:48.43 | bladeplate | ant help? |
| 08:50.05 | bladeplate | i was very optimitic when installing debian on vaio p till i reboot it after installation. it hangs when loading :( very sad |
| 08:50.49 | bladeplate | the model is a vaio p31zk with a gma500 graphic card |
| 08:51.31 | bladeplate | HELP is needed! |
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| 08:53.40 | bladeplate | it says loading please wait |
| 08:54.01 | bladeplate | any help stoned? |
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| 08:54.45 | Storfiskaren | bladeplate: Can you switch to a tty (Ctrl-Alt F2) |
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| 08:56.05 | Storfiskaren | bladeplate: did you install the grub bootloader, and no errors were reported? |
| 08:56.08 | bladeplate | storfiskaren i dont have the laptop in front of me, but what you suggest to do? |
| 08:56.29 | Storfiskaren | bladeplate: Do you have any other operating systems running on it? |
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| 08:56.45 | Storfiskaren | bladeplate: sorry, I mean installed (on other hard drives) |
| 08:56.57 | bladeplate | storfiskaren, no. i installed grub on master |
| 08:57.05 | bladeplate | no... |
| 08:57.15 | Storfiskaren | bladeplate: and you only have one hard drive? |
| 08:57.24 | bladeplate | yes |
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| 08:57.46 | bladeplate | it have a gma500 video card |
| 08:57.54 | Storfiskaren | I take it you used the default settings for partitioning and installing grub? |
| 08:58.02 | bladeplate | yes i have |
| 08:58.24 | bladeplate | i installed the CD version |
| 08:58.33 | bladeplate | with xfce |
| 08:58.36 | Storfiskaren | I don't see how the graphics card could have anything with the error, if it installed correctly |
| 08:58.50 | bladeplate | yes it installed fine:) |
| 08:59.09 | Storfiskaren | I'm sorry, I don't think I can help you further |
| 08:59.36 | bladeplate | in recovery mode it hangs after detecting usb connector |
| 08:59.46 | Storfiskaren | It sounds strange, default settings should work, unless you have some strange hardware failure or something wrote to the boot partition |
| 09:00.02 | bladeplate | storfiskaren thanks anyway |
| 09:00.05 | Storfiskaren | Do you have any USB devices that are not necessary? |
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| 09:00.23 | bladeplate | storfiskaren only a mouse connected to usb |
| 09:00.39 | bladeplate | storfiskaren very strange. |
| 09:01.46 | bladeplate | storfiskaren it is a vaio p 31zk, i love that laptop. |
| 09:02.09 | Storfiskaren | It wouldn't hurt to unplug everything to see if it starts up |
| 09:02.16 | bladeplate | i tryed several linux distros, no one was sucefully installed except debian |
| 09:03.00 | Storfiskaren | Is it brand new? |
| 09:03.15 | bladeplate | i buyed it used |
| 09:03.26 | bladeplate | but is like new |
| 09:03.37 | Storfiskaren | OK, but it should generally be supported by the kernel, I guess |
| 09:03.40 | bladeplate | i love that laptop |
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| 09:04.15 | Storfiskaren | bladeplate: did you try with a live cd, like Knoppix as well? |
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| 09:05.01 | bladeplate | knoppix no... but other distros, ubuntu, haikuos, xubuntu, opensuse, ... |
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| 09:06.31 | bladeplate | i have to leave, thanks for your help storfiskaren |
| 09:06.45 | Storfiskaren | bladeplate: OK. good luck. I would probably try to install again |
| 09:06.56 | Storfiskaren | bladeplate: and pay super close attention to any errors. |
| 09:07.12 | bladeplate | ok, thanks! |
| 09:07.16 | marsje | How do I assign 2 static IPv6 address to one bridge interface? I tried making a normal static address and adding "up ip addr add 2001:984:2def::xxxx/64 dev $IFACE label $IFACE:0" to assign the 2nd address. Doesn't seem to work... |
| 09:07.22 | Storfiskaren | bladeplate: and note where the boot image is stored and boot up a live cd to inspect it |
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| 09:07.57 | bladeplate | ok, see ya |
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| 09:10.27 | Storfiskaren | marsje: does it report an error, or does it simply not work? |
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| 09:11.10 | marsje | Storfiskaren: didn't see an error, but I admit I did not check the logs yet.. let me do that |
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| 09:13.52 | gebruiker | Can the following be easily done: setup a desktop environment that is based soley on free software that is free from spy/malware/etc. The usage of the desktop are teenage based, so fb, netflix, college writing, excell ( compatiblity with ms), youtube and so forth. Is GNU really possible? |
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| 09:14.12 | marsje | Storfiskaren: can't find any error except for: failed to bring up br0 |
| 09:14.40 | petn-randall | gebruiker: Sure, there's nothing stopping you. |
| 09:14.42 | stoned | gebruiker: yes. |
| 09:14.53 | stoned | it's a pain in the ass to setup sometimes |
| 09:14.54 | ksk | gebruiker: I dont know a nice GNU browser, but chrome and firefox are kind of open source and free to some extent |
| 09:15.22 | ksk | gebruiker: in general, if you add no extra repos to a debian installation everything is free software. |
| 09:15.31 | stoned | http://midori-browser.org/about/ |
| 09:15.40 | stoned | This site and its content is licensed under the LGPL 2.1 license. |
| 09:15.50 | stoned | I think that applies to Midori too |
| 09:16.00 | gebruiker | I recently started listening to stallman and his perspectives on freedom, got a better understanding of it all and I am looking for a pragmatic way to implement what he is saying instead of philosphising about it |
| 09:16.02 | stoned | Good bruiser. I daily bruide the Internet with it |
| 09:16.22 | stoned | gebruiker: He's not wrong |
| 09:16.27 | stoned | He's just a bit of a purist. |
| 09:16.38 | marsje | Storfiskaren: oh, I found this as well: "Waiting for DAD... Timed out" |
| 09:16.41 | stoned | It takes sacrifice to do that. |
| 09:16.51 | gebruiker | What trande-offs would there be if I would setup a pure GNU environment? in comparison to using non-free ? |
| 09:17.03 | stoned | I juse whatever is in debian. |
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| 09:17.08 | stoned | It works well. |
| 09:17.19 | stoned | If it's in the official repo, I'm happy. |
| 09:17.58 | stoned | gebruiker: other than gnu/foss, you have closed source and prop. software of which you are aware of the pitfalls |
| 09:18.00 | petn-randall | gebruiker: The only thing I can think of is that some wifi adapters need non-free firmware to run properly. |
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| 09:18.34 | stoned | Well, in that case one makes sure their HW is compatable with free drivers. |
| 09:18.39 | gebruiker | stoned, the intresting part about ubuntu selling keyword searches from unity to third party companies made me feel chills and the point of promoting free software and like minded thought forms/ projects seems like a good ethical point of view rather than including proprietary software and thereby teaching that is the way rather than making free software the main aim. |
| 09:18.40 | stoned | Before you buy the hardware. |
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| 09:19.06 | stoned | Ubuntu is the MS of Linux. |
| 09:19.11 | stoned | Terribile. |
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| 09:19.33 | Cubby | lol |
| 09:19.40 | Storfiskaren | marsje: OK, and you use the up command above? |
| 09:19.42 | Cubby | that was well sad |
| 09:19.44 | Cubby | said |
| 09:19.54 | Cubby | that was well said |
| 09:20.02 | stoned | takes a bow |
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| 09:20.14 | stoned | And on that note, I shall stone. |
| 09:20.19 | marsje | Storfiskaren: if I use it manually from a terminal it works, but doesn't work from /etc/networking/interface at startup |
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| 09:21.01 | Storfiskaren | marsje: so, how does your interface file look like? |
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| 09:21.43 | gjb83 | Quick rsyslog question... NOTICE[4158][C-0000011c] - what does the second set of square brackets refer to? I am only seeing this for some entries. |
| 09:22.46 | petn-randall | gjb83: It's probably something the application sent. Can you show the complete message? |
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| 09:24.19 | gjb83 | petn-randall: Sure |
| 09:24.25 | gjb83 | petn-randall: Sep 16 10:08:26 asterisk2 asterisk[4123]: NOTICE[4158][C-0000011c]: chan_sip.c:25628 in handle_request_invite: Call from '' (213.202.233.61:43448) to extension '90046842002826' rejected because extension not found in context 'from-external'. |
| 09:25.04 | marsje | Storfiskaren: http://pastebin.com/MxiuRnj2 |
| 09:26.07 | petn-randall | gjb83: everything after the timestamp is from the application. You'll have to check there. I'm guessing NOTICE is the priority, [4158] is the process ID. Not sure about the the last bracket, though. You can probably check asterisk's documentation. |
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| 09:28.02 | Storfiskaren | marsje: You need to set different aliases, don't you. br0:0, br0:1, etc? |
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| 09:29.45 | marsje | Storfiskaren: maybe yes... but according to this it is not necessary: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#iproute2_method |
| 09:30.28 | gjb83 | petn-randall: I didn't realise that was coming from asterisk. Will check the docs. Thanks! |
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| 09:31.18 | Storfiskaren | marsje: OK, I don't feel to seasoned in this topic, maybe somebody else knows more. |
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| 09:33.00 | marsje | Storfiskaren: also asking in #ipv6 |
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| 09:36.45 | ryonaloli | i'm using debian 7, and i'm trying to install a specific package from sid. how do i include that package so i can install it? |
| 09:36.55 | ryonaloli | i tried both top methods on https://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing and each result failed for me. |
| 09:37.09 | ryonaloli | it failed with 404 errors, and with errors such as "W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package libapt-inst" |
| 09:37.35 | babilen | ryonaloli: Installing packages from sid on anything but testing is a bad idea. In particular don't install them on stable or, like you plan to do, on oldstable. |
| 09:37.47 | babilen | What are you trying to install? |
| 09:37.53 | ryonaloli | linux-grsec |
| 09:38.30 | babilen | Is that the exact name of the package? |
| 09:38.38 | ryonaloli | i run grsec on several gentoo boxes elsewhere, and i keep up with issues with grsec, so i'm not worried about issues from such an unstable package |
| 09:38.56 | ryonaloli | no, the exact name is linux-image-grsec-amd64 |
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| 09:39.33 | babilen | So you are after linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64 ? |
| 09:40.15 | ryonaloli | it should install that, if i'm able to get the sid repos such that i can update and install linux-image-grsec-amd64, yes |
| 09:40.26 | babilen | I wouldn't pull that into wheezy as you'll have to upgrade some other packages, it might be possible to get it on jessie without too much of a problem though |
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| 09:40.40 | ryonaloli | why would i have to upgrade other packages? |
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| 09:40.51 | babilen | Because of dependencies |
| 09:40.54 | ryonaloli | what userland would break from upgrading the kernel? |
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| 09:41.38 | babilen | udev comes to mind |
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| 09:42.10 | ryonaloli | hm, what changes broke udev? i wasn't aware of this. |
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| 09:42.40 | ryonaloli | i guess if i have to, i can upgrade to debian 8 |
| 09:42.48 | babilen | I'm just looking |
| 09:42.55 | babilen | Why wouldn't you anyway? |
| 09:42.59 | babilen | (just curious) |
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| 09:43.48 | ryonaloli | i just haven't used debian in a while. had a selection between 7 and 8 for a vps. thought 7 was stable and 8 was testing, since i didn't keep up with what the version numbers were. |
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| 09:44.04 | babilen | No, 7 is oldstable, 8 is stable (jessie) |
| 09:44.25 | ryonaloli | i'd just replace wheezy in the sources.list with jessie, and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 09:44.58 | babilen | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 09:45.25 | babilen | But that's the essential procedure, yes |
| 09:45.41 | ryonaloli | when i upgrade, will the procedures outlined in stackoverflow for using sid for linux-grsec work, or is there a different method now? |
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| 09:47.00 | babilen | Which procedure are you referring to exactly? |
| 09:47.16 | ryonaloli | https://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing |
| 09:47.23 | ryonaloli | s/stackoverflow/serverfault/ |
| 09:47.29 | ryonaloli | the first two answers |
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| 09:48.22 | babilen | That's quite a convoluted pinning scheme with some arbitrary numbers, but .. by and large .. it should do the thing |
| 09:48.34 | babilen | (first solution) |
| 09:48.47 | ryonaloli | ah, and it simply only works on jessie, not wheezy? |
| 09:49.03 | babilen | Second solution essentially ensures that you get packages from whatever you set there by default and should work |
| 09:49.13 | babilen | No, that should "work" on wheezy also |
| 09:49.25 | ryonaloli | oh, but then i just must have run into dependency issues |
| 09:49.28 | babilen | It might make sense to *also* add jessie into the mix as you are jumping quite far ahead |
| 09:49.51 | babilen | Well .. dependency issues are exactly why you wouldn't mix testing/unstable into stable or oldstable |
| 09:50.06 | babilen | Packages target a specific release and their dependencies reflect that. |
| 09:50.19 | babilen | Even if there is no inherent technical need for that, they still do |
| 09:50.44 | babilen | Think, for example, of a program that could easily link against libfoo-2.1 and libfoo-3.1 |
| 09:51.14 | babilen | It is being build against a release that ships libfoo-3.1 and therefore depends on it. You are now about to install it on a release that has libfoo-2.1 |
| 09:51.24 | ryonaloli | i'm just surprised that the kernel would have any dependencies that would cause issues like that |
| 09:51.29 | ryonaloli | considering linus tries so hard not to break userland |
| 09:51.59 | babilen | The kernel is a bit special and there is little I can do without seeing *exactly* what you've done and what the error is you get |
| 09:52.08 | babilen | Either way, I'd start with jessie |
| 09:52.33 | babilen | If this had been anything else apart from the kernel I would have flat out said: "No, don't do it" |
| 09:52.33 | ryonaloli | aight, thanks |
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| 09:56.08 | babilen | ryonaloli: Keep in mind that a binary distribution is special and that some software would simply be compiled against a specific set of packages .. that doesn't mean that it wouldn't have compiled against other versions of those packages, but you are then stuck with those |
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| 10:52.50 | yokisuki | This is a kinda easy question - does someone know how to exclude shadows from windows with compton? Only the windows, not the menus and so on. |
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| 11:01.34 | fasdfd | How do I install a debian netinstall when my wifi drivers are proprietary (no ethernet on this laptop) and the touchpad doesn't work? I found a driver in debian repos in .deb and tar.xz formats, but it doesn't work even if I put it in usb/firmware folder. |
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| 11:03.10 | fasdfd | It's BCM43142. |
| 11:03.28 | DeaDSouL | hi, I'm using samba server on debian8, which is being discovered from OSX client, but the connection is failed,.. I mean it doesn't show the available folder to be mounted. can anyone tells me why? smb.conf: http://paste.debian.net/825247/ |
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| 11:07.58 | th0r | DeaDSouL, did you define a password for your samba user? |
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| 11:11.58 | Brigo | fasdfd, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 11:13.01 | DeaDSouL | th0r: no I haven't |
| 11:13.47 | th0r | DeaDSouL, you have to add your linux user to the samba users list and give him a password.....sudo smbpasswd -a <username> |
| 11:14.06 | DeaDSouL | th0r: I mean yes I did,... for my 'deadsoul' user... but I meant for the 'media' share it doesn't have a passworeded account ... it should use 'nobody' as user, and 'users' as the group |
| 11:14.44 | fasdfd | Brigo: I tried downloading the firmware.zip from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ but it doesn't work. Then I searched for another driver and found broadcom-sta-source_6.30.223.248-3_all.deb which has BCM43142 listed on packages.debian.org but how do I enable this while installing from netinstall? Or is there a way to install a netinstall level thin debian with some other iso version that contains t |
| 11:14.47 | fasdfd | hese things? |
| 11:14.58 | DeaDSouL | th0r: here are some pictures of what i'm trying to do.. http://postimg.org/gallery/1kqebl66m/ ..... the last one, shows how OpenELEC is being automatically discovered by OSX |
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| 11:17.09 | fasdfd | Is there at least a live debian iso with ability to install just what the netinstall installs? |
| 11:17.25 | vahe | how is the program to see at ssh who else entered and what makes? |
| 11:17.40 | Jonz3n | So I have a raspi running the latest Debian Jessie also used as a netatalk server for my Mac, I have ecently installed a vbox of Debian server to use a a test Webserver. My question is how to mount the AFP shares from the raspi on the virtual machine. I have searched aptitude for netatalk to no avail... |
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| 11:19.36 | th0r | DeaDSouL, try setting 'guest account = nobody' |
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| 11:20.25 | DeaDSouL | th0r: should i use it in the global? or under [Media] block ? |
| 11:21.12 | th0r | DeaDSouL, under Media. I have never used a public access ( no password) share, but I think that is what you need |
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| 11:23.02 | th0r | DeaDSouL, also, this page lists what is supposed to b e a simple way to define what you want....http://serverfault.com/questions/630631/how-to-make-samba-share-to-not-ask-for-password#632296 |
| 11:23.23 | DeaDSouL | th0r: same thing |
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| 11:27.40 | vahe | eating such a program,how to watch who is connected and what ssh does? |
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| 11:28.24 | nkuttler | vahe: screen/tmux |
| 11:28.32 | nkuttler | vahe: what's your native language btw? |
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| 11:28.56 | han-solo | vahe: what? |
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| 11:29.13 | vahe | tmux yes |
| 11:29.18 | vahe | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 11:30.08 | th0r | DeaDSouL, is this for public access or are you just trying to avoid entering a password for yourself? |
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| 11:33.07 | DeaDSouL | th0r: public access for all home users |
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| 11:33.44 | th0r | DeaDSouL, found another reference that is based on wheezy...and uses a different approach....http://serverfault.com/questions/630631/how-to-make-samba-share-to-not-ask-for-password#632296 |
| 11:34.05 | th0r | DeaDSouL, but I am not sure about his method |
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| 11:34.50 | taliptako_ | hello |
| 11:34.59 | th0r | DeaDSouL, oops...same link I just sent |
| 11:35.13 | taliptako_ | can i disable my intel hd graphics and only use nvidia ? |
| 11:35.40 | taliptako_ | i dont have this option on bios |
| 11:35.48 | rjsalts | DeaDSouL, you could also set up kerberos on your mac/nas and have your credentials sign you into the network share when you login to the computer |
| 11:36.04 | th0r | DeaDSouL, I am not impressed with the first method on that page....using force user. But towards the bottom....the easy method...that seems to be the way it should be done. |
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| 11:37.01 | gosul33t | th0r, I think there's an option in samba to make a share publicly reachable |
| 11:37.42 | th0r | gosul33t, yes....that is the method I would prefer. But from what I gather on the websites it isn't quite as easy as it should be. |
| 11:37.54 | Iridos | taliptako_, there should be a kernel module loaded for it, which you could blacklist so it doesn't get loaded⦠or you could create an xorg.conf in which you only add configuration for nvidia |
| 11:38.29 | taliptako_ | Iridos but i dont wanna use bbswitch or bumblebee |
| 11:38.36 | taliptako_ | because they are buggy i belive |
| 11:38.47 | gosul33t | th0r, does it return any errors? |
| 11:39.30 | th0r | gosul33t, not my issue....DeaDSoul is trying to create an open share |
| 11:39.44 | gosul33t | oh, sorry then |
| 11:40.34 | th0r | DeaDSouL, on that link I sent. I would try defining your share as discussed at the end (the quick and dirty method). Then if it works start changing options/parameters to your liking |
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| 11:43.46 | DeaDSouL | th0r: I'll try that ... hopefully it will work |
| 11:43.51 | th0r | DeaDSouL, and this site gives a totally different approach <smile> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1709425 |
| 11:44.19 | th0r | DeaDSouL, seems there are a number of ways to accomplish what you want...although none seems to work 100% of the time |
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| 11:46.13 | th0r | DeaDSouL, a side note. I recall once trying to mount samba shares from a windows box and discovered that windows upper-cases the passwords. Don't know if that is still an issue or not. |
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| 11:49.44 | gosul33t | th0r, it isn't |
| 11:51.00 | jchuck | Hi , i want turn off the brightness of display and block the pc by one command via the shell |
| 11:51.22 | gosul33t | jchuck, what do you mean by blocking? |
| 11:52.25 | jchuck | simulate ctrl + alt + l |
| 11:52.40 | jchuck | for access to pc required password |
| 11:52.56 | jchuck | sorry for my bad english |
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| 11:55.04 | avian | jchuck, depends on which desktop environment you are using |
| 11:55.21 | avian | jchuck, on GNOME it's "dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.gnome.ScreenSaver /org/gnome/ScreenSaver org.gnome.ScreenSaver.Lock" |
| 11:55.47 | th0r | jchuck, you might also look at xlock |
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| 11:56.58 | jchuck | i use cinnamon |
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| 11:59.23 | abrotman | you could just set the power optoins to dim the screen after 1 minute, and then use a different command to lock the screen .. not sure about Cinnamon, but Gnome3, you can hit Win+L |
| 12:00.31 | jchuck | abrotman, i want create a alias for my shel |
| 12:00.35 | jchuck | shell* |
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| 12:01.33 | abrotman | wonders why one would want to type "lockmyscreen" instead of hitting win+L |
| 12:02.04 | th0r | jchuck, xlock |
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| 12:02.14 | gosul33t | abrotman, me too haha |
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| 12:03.01 | jchuck | what is xlock ? |
| 12:03.06 | th0r | hard to hit Win-L in an ssh session |
| 12:03.31 | th0r | jchuck, it is an old X program that will lock the screen. Should still be in the repos |
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| 12:03.53 | abrotman | judd: file bin/xlock |
| 12:03.57 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 12:04.01 | abrotman | judd: file bin/xlockmore |
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| 12:04.05 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 12:04.07 | th0r | jchuck, it runs from the prompt to lock the screen |
| 12:04.22 | nkuttler | jchuck: try xtrlock |
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| 12:04.58 | jchuck | i don't have xlock |
| 12:05.15 | avian | jchuck, since cinnamon is a fork of GNOME shell it's likely they use a similar dbus mechanism as GNOME. |
| 12:05.24 | jchuck | yes |
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| 12:05.52 | jchuck | i allow use the command for gnome ? |
| 12:06.01 | DanawarUK | HI debian i have an issue trying to run an apt-get update when i type it it just hangs at 0% [Connecting to ftp.uk.debian.org (78.129.164.123)] [Connecting to security.debian.org (212.211.132.250)] |
| 12:06.06 | th0r | jchuck, try xtrlock....it is even in my raspbian repo |
| 12:06.27 | avian | jchuck, it can't hurt if you try |
| 12:07.10 | jchuck | avian, what is command for gnome ? |
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| 12:07.49 | avian | jchuck, "dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.gnome.ScreenSaver /org/gnome/ScreenSaver org.gnome.ScreenSaver.Lock" |
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| 12:08.03 | th0r | oh...that's much better than 'xtrlock' |
| 12:08.46 | jchuck | avian, not work |
| 12:11.31 | DanawarUK | Is there any good way to test my debian box to check to see if the lack of internet connectivity is due to the boxes config or networks config |
| 12:12.13 | th0r | DanawarUK, does ifconfig show the interface? |
| 12:12.44 | DanawarUK | th0r: Yes the server can handle calls via SIP |
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| 12:13.06 | DanawarUK | th0r: But when i try to wget google i get a Network is unreachable but i have allowed all firewall rules. |
| 12:13.19 | th0r | DanawarUK, then the interface is working...it is a dns issue probably |
| 12:13.32 | th0r | DanawarUK, try pinging 8.8.8.8 and see if you get a response |
| 12:13.51 | DanawarUK | th0r: I cannot fetch pages by IP :( |
| 12:14.13 | th0r | DanawarUK, have you tried flushing the iptables rules? |
| 12:14.16 | DanawarUK | th0r: ping 8.8.8.8 no response |
| 12:14.27 | DanawarUK | th0r: yes still doesnt work :( |
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| 12:14.45 | avian | jchuck, maybe this helps https://askubuntu.com/questions/400621/keyboard-shortcut-to-lock-screen-turn-off-monitor |
| 12:14.52 | th0r | DanawarUK, but sip works? |
| 12:15.07 | th0r | jchuck, have you looked for xtrlock? |
| 12:15.25 | DanawarUK | th0r: Yes we use it as a freeswitch dev box currently it was set up along time ago |
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| 12:16.22 | jchuck | avian, work your link very good |
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| 12:16.45 | dAnjou | hi, can someone help me find an online manpage for apt (not apt-get!)? |
| 12:16.50 | jchuck | the command is cinnamon-screensaver-command -l; xset dpms force off |
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| 12:17.01 | th0r | DanawarUK, If you can get sip to work then the box can get to the net. It might be port forwarding from a router that is causing the problem |
| 12:17.07 | jchuck | thanks all |
| 12:18.25 | th0r | dAnjou, the man page for apt doesn't say much...https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1709425 |
| 12:18.58 | dAnjou | th0r: wrong link? |
| 12:19.04 | th0r | dAnjou, where did that link come from???? this is what I wanted to send....http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt |
| 12:19.26 | dAnjou | i've seen that one, and it's not the manpage shipped with debian |
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| 12:20.15 | th0r | dAnjou, ok....further down the list....http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man8/apt.8.html |
| 12:20.35 | th0r | dAnjou, still doesnt' say much |
| 12:21.08 | dAnjou | th0r: yes, it does. it contains a description for full-upgrade |
| 12:21.39 | th0r | dAnjou, which I believe is just 'dist-upgrade' |
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| 12:22.05 | dAnjou | but this one is for ubuntu, and i know while they are most likely the same, "apt" is not necessarily the same on ubuntu and debian |
| 12:22.15 | dAnjou | because it's quite new |
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| 12:22.46 | th0r | dAnjou, there is also one from Oracle. I just closed the browser, but it was on the duckduckgo search for 'apt manpage' |
| 12:22.51 | dAnjou | th0r: in some contexts it's rather important to have the exact information for the exact version of the distro ;) |
| 12:23.17 | dAnjou | unfortunately manpages.debian.org seems to be down |
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| 12:25.17 | DanawarUK | th0r: Thanks for your help i have done some tracerouting and it looks like it is definatlly one of our routers doing something strange. Unfortunately i am not authorised to take a look :( |
| 12:25.19 | dAnjou | i guess i'll use the one from ubuntu wily because it's apt version 1.0.10.2 while debian jessie ships with 1.0.9.8.2. close enough. |
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| 12:26.13 | th0r | DanawarUK, just a guess...they routed sip to that node and in the process excluded eveything else. |
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| 12:34.21 | fasdfd | Does anyone know how can I add a deb driver to netinstall USB disk so that internet works on it? Putting it to firmware folder on the USB doesn't work. |
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| 12:35.24 | themill | What does "putting" mean and "doesn't work"? (it does) |
| 12:35.38 | ksk | fasdfd: I wasnt able to make that work either; I ended up using the "premade install media with nonfree drivers" from some sort of 3rd party website |
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| 12:36.40 | themill | by "some sort of 3rd party website" you mean debian.org |
| 12:36.59 | fasdfd | I copied the deb to usbdisk/firmware as instructed by debian wiki, the driver isn't automatically enabled and it's not visible in the driver choose prompt. |
| 12:37.20 | fasdfd | ksk: Do you mean this? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 12:37.24 | ksk | iirc it was a 3rd party site, but I might mistaken :) |
| 12:37.28 | fasdfd | Because this doesn't seem to include that specific driver. |
| 12:37.30 | ksk | that sounds good fasdfd |
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| 12:37.41 | ksk | ah okay, bad luck for you :P |
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| 12:37.55 | ksk | broadcom? |
| 12:38.07 | fasdfd | When I run shell on the netinstall, it doesn't let me dpkg or anything. |
| 12:38.19 | fasdfd | Yes, it's BCM43142 |
| 12:38.23 | themill | fasdfd: how is this usb stick formatted and which .deb are you copying? |
| 12:38.55 | themill | There are no .debs that contain the firmware for BCM4312 |
| 12:39.07 | fasdfd | I'm copying this debs: broadcom-sta-common_6.30.223.248-3_all.deb |
| 12:39.09 | fasdfd | broadcom-sta-dkms_6.30.223.248-3_all.deb |
| 12:39.11 | fasdfd | broadcom-sta-source_6.30.223.248-3_all.deb |
| 12:39.13 | fasdfd | bcmwl-kernel-source_6.30.223.248+bdcom-0ubuntu8_amd64.deb |
| 12:39.17 | fasdfd | themill, there are: https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 12:39.44 | themill | fasdfd: please start being precise. Which one? |
| 12:39.49 | fasdfd | The stick is UEFI GPT FAT32. |
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| 12:40.15 | themill | a URL is not a package and that webpage does not even mention the word "firmware" on it |
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| 12:40.57 | fasdfd | themill, the wiki says to install this: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/broadcom-sta-dkms (broadcom-sta-dkms_6.30.223.248-3_all.deb) |
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| 12:41.00 | fasdfd | Well, yes, I guess it's a driver not a firmware. |
| 12:41.27 | themill | there is no way a dkms package is going to work within the installer |
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| 12:41.46 | themill | and the instructions for the installer are about loading missing *firmware* |
| 12:42.31 | fasdfd | So, there's no way I'll do this on netinstall? |
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| 12:44.11 | fasdfd | Perhaps I should use the Live version of Debian, install the package there, install the OS to disk and if net doesn't work, install the package again on the disk? |
| 12:44.37 | fasdfd | This is how I do it with Ubuntu, run the liveUSB, install driver, that's it. |
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| 12:51.00 | fasdfd | Does the live version install the same choice of packages as netinstall do? (the size of it is bigger) |
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| 12:57.38 | themill | fasdfd: all the installers offer the same choice of packages to install |
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| 12:58.19 | cupof | Will upgrading the kernel break the xorg config |
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| 13:03.15 | jelly | cupof: it depends, if you're using a non-free gpu driver for X and are not careful, it might |
| 13:03.37 | jelly | cupof: why do you ask and which debian release is this on? |
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| 13:07.20 | cupof | i am using lts debian and want to upgrade to 4.6 with backports |
| 13:07.58 | cupof | using nvidia driver from apt |
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| 13:14.21 | loe | hi there, when i pipe shutdown -h in at now + 25 min, my computer shuts down immediately. can somebody tell my whats the reason for this? |
| 13:14.51 | jhutchins | loe: Your syntax is wrong. |
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| 13:16.01 | jhutchins | loe: The man page is pretty clear on this, check it and ask again if you don't understand. |
| 13:16.15 | loe | aight thanks! |
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| 13:19.07 | fasdfd | I don't understand how this works (the cp command here): https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 13:19.21 | fasdfd | When I do this, nothing changes on the USB disk. |
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| 13:20.44 | themill | fasdfd: Precisely what command do you give and precisely how do you test whether something has changed? |
| 13:22.13 | fasdfd | sudo cp firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb; when I mount the disk, it's empty, when I check what gparted says, there's few errors and a bunch of partitions on it, the reported size is twice bigger than the actual pendrive size. |
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| 13:22.37 | fasdfd | And the command exits instantly as if it didn't do anything. |
| 13:22.58 | fasdfd | "The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes." - one error |
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| 13:25.10 | Urchin | fasdfd: use dd(1) |
| 13:25.22 | Urchin | aka destroy disk |
| 13:25.42 | themill | that won't do anything different -- it doesn't sound like that disk is happy |
| 13:26.03 | jelly | Urchin: cp is a bit better than dd actually |
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| 13:26.30 | jhutchins | fasdfd: The confused partition table means one of two things: It's FAT or it's toast. |
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| 13:26.53 | fasdfd | It is FAT32. |
| 13:27.09 | Iridos | anyone for toast with fat on it? |
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| 13:27.51 | jhutchins | fasdfd: It's probably corrupted if you can't mount the partition. Copying a file directly to a root device as opposed to a mounted partition will corrupt it. |
| 13:28.07 | jhutchins | fasdfd: (Unless the file is a valid drive image.) |
| 13:28.25 | petn-randall | fasdfd: Just to be safe, the USB disk wasn't mounted when you ran that command, right? |
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| 13:30.20 | fasdfd | It was. Then I created a new gpt partition table on it and didn't format it, run the command again, it worked for a bit longer, few seconds and the drive when mounted has files on it and it boots, but gparted still spills errors and reports uncorrect data. |
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| 13:30.47 | fasdfd | The second time nothing was mounted, because the disk wasn't formatted. |
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| 13:32.01 | petn-randall | fasdfd: Running the cp command will overwrite any partition data you have. But GPT allows for a backup at the end of the device, you might want to nuke that, too, so it doesn't get read. |
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| 13:32.56 | fred1807 | "unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum" How do I install a newer version of efsck on jessy? |
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| 13:35.01 | jelly | fred1807: short answer is you don't. Longer answer is "local rebuild of e2fsprogs" |
| 13:35.08 | jelly | ,v e2fsprogs |
| 13:35.09 | judd | Package: e2fsprogs on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.42.12-1.1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.42.12-2; stretch: 1.43.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.43.3-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.43.3-1 |
| 13:35.13 | jelly | oh |
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| 13:35.32 | jelly | fred1807: correction! It's in jessie-backports, you're lucky |
| 13:35.46 | jelly | !jessie-backports |
| 13:35.47 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 13:36.40 | fred1807 | so I add deb http://www.backports.org/debian squeeze-backports main contrib non-free to sources.. and what do I command to apt to install e2fprogs from backports? |
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| 13:37.53 | jelly | fred1807: squeeze? |
| 13:38.04 | fred1807 | yes |
| 13:38.08 | jelly | you said "jessy" |
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| 13:38.15 | jelly | I assumed that meant jessie |
| 13:38.39 | greycat | fred1807: are you running jessie, or are you running squeeze, or something else entirely? |
| 13:38.45 | fred1807 | jessie |
| 13:39.01 | jelly | fred1807: then use the line for jessie-backports that the bot said above. |
| 13:39.09 | greycat | Then you need jessie-backports not squeeze-backports |
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| 13:39.40 | jelly | > A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main» |
| 13:39.46 | jelly | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main |
| 13:39.49 | fred1807 | and then.. apt-get install unstable e2fsprogs? |
| 13:39.53 | greycat | NO! |
| 13:40.00 | greycat | apt-get install -t jessie-backports e2fsprogs |
| 13:40.11 | jelly | fred1807: and then apt-get update |
| 13:40.19 | emorris | hi, trying to boot the Jessie install CD, and getting "Booting kernel failed: invalid argument" very briefly flashing up after selecting the install option, then it just returns to the boot menu. Any ideas? |
| 13:40.20 | greycat | Right, apt-get update first, then what I said. |
| 13:40.20 | jelly | fred1807: and then apt-get -t jessie-backports install stuff |
| 13:40.33 | fred1807 | lets try |
| 13:40.35 | jelly | and then |
| 13:40.45 | jelly | dude, where's my car?! |
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| 13:51.46 | jelly | fred1807: what did you use to create those filesystems? |
| 13:52.01 | fred1807 | gparted live |
| 13:52.36 | jelly | heh. If you don't have data on it just yet, it's probably easier to mkfs again |
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| 13:53.13 | fred1807 | recovered... It was "broken" due power cut, but data seems to be there... |
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| 13:57.24 | mdlpe_ | hi, I have a timing script pb. I made a script to synchronize a bib folder on an ext. hdd. I made a folder in mnt for the ext. hdd that need root privilege. At the end of the sync, the it doesn't remove the folder. I think is because the sudo autorisation has expired |
| 13:57.36 | fred1807 | so gparted live not a good idea to prepare new hds? |
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| 14:02.07 | woshty | Will there be a newer Libreoffice in backports soon? |
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| 14:03.00 | _mirko_ | how do I remove a group of packages, I have installed kde-standard and removed it with 'sudo apt remove kde-standard' and packages like konsole and kwallet are still there, why? |
| 14:03.18 | greycat | mirko: look at apt-get autoremove |
| 14:03.44 | Dreaman | and autoremove |
| 14:03.50 | Dreaman | autoclean |
| 14:04.20 | fasdfd | Okay, both cp and dd are rubbish, I have to boot Windows to make a bootable pendrive with rufus |
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| 14:04.47 | _mirko_ | fasdfd: there are similar tools for linux also. |
| 14:04.50 | greycat | Complete falsehood, but do as you wish. |
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| 14:06.09 | themill | One of the things we know about rufus is that it is excellent at not doing the one thing it needs to do properly: copy the image to the disk |
| 14:06.40 | fasdfd | _mirko_: I'm not aware of anything that both works and supports UEFI. |
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| 14:07.46 | _mirko_ | fasdfd: try unetbootin |
| 14:07.53 | themill | no, please don't |
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| 14:08.14 | fasdfd | _mirko_: It's explicitly said not to use unetbootin on Debian wiki, and it doesn't support UEFI. |
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| 14:08.40 | greycat | fasdfd: you're using a "live" image, right? Instead of a real Debian installer image. That is why your UEFI installation attempts are failing. |
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| 14:08.54 | greycat | !uefi live |
| 14:08.54 | dpkg | Currently, UEFI support exists only in Debian's installation images. The accompanying live images do not have support for UEFI boot. <https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI> |
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| 14:09.38 | fasdfd | greycat: First time, I did a netinstall pendrive, and the pendrive got messed up but worked, second I did live install, and pendrive is less messed up or not messed up but doesn't boot. |
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| 14:10.04 | greycat | Correct. LIVE IMAGES DO NOT SUPPORT UEFI. |
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| 14:10.35 | fasdfd | Can I at least install to UEFI with a live image? (boot in legacy mode, but the installed system would be UEFI with EFI) |
| 14:10.41 | greycat | !uefi live |
| 14:10.41 | dpkg | Currently, UEFI support exists only in Debian's installation images. The accompanying live images do not have support for UEFI boot. <https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI> |
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| 14:14.03 | _mirko_ | greycat: why 'sudo apt-get autoremove kde-standard' doesn't do the job? |
| 14:14.19 | greycat | autoremove does not take a package name as an argument |
| 14:15.01 | _mirko_ | greycat: that means that I should do 'sudo apt-get remove kde-standard' and then 'sudo apt-get autoremove'? |
| 14:15.10 | greycat | Yes. |
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| 14:15.43 | _mirko_ | greycat: thanks, I'll go trough man pages breifly now. |
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| 14:17.03 | _mirko_ | greycat: it didn't work :( |
| 14:17.13 | _mirko_ | 0 to remove |
| 14:17.19 | rafalcpp | is there something like /etc/rc.local but .d - so a dir to add own file? |
| 14:17.24 | jelly | ,v kde-standard |
| 14:17.25 | judd | Package: kde-standard on amd64 -- wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:84; sid: 5:91; stretch: 5:91 |
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| 14:17.52 | ToeiRei | waves hello. |
| 14:17.57 | greycat | rafalcpp: you could put a line like: for f in /etc/rc.local.d/*; do test -f "$f" && . "$f"; done in rc.local |
| 14:18.36 | greycat | Of course this is not the best solution. The best solution is to create systemd unit files in /etc/systemd/system/. |
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| 14:18.47 | rafalcpp | greycat: so by default there's not? it's for installer of a program, it needs to set up computre to do some action on start. adding echo >> /etc/rc.local will duplicate it if run twice |
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| 14:19.06 | greycat | rafalcpp: you can read the default rc.local file. It's very brief. |
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| 14:19.33 | rafalcpp | greycat: I guess, and put in a marker saying there is my code in it. it's a bit hackish if user has own other modifications |
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| 14:19.58 | greycat | rafalcpp: yes, rc.local is incredibly hackish. |
| 14:20.09 | greycat | That's why you should be creating systemd unit files instead. |
| 14:21.13 | Posterdati | jo |
| 14:21.15 | Posterdati | hi |
| 14:21.27 | ToeiRei | Hey guys - I'm trying to go for signed kernel modules... could it be that the default kernel build process (make deb-pkg) strips the module files? |
| 14:21.37 | rafalcpp | greycat: does old way of creating files in init.d still work on debian8 and will on debian9? |
| 14:22.05 | greycat | You would have to be a profound idiot to create init.d files on debian 8. |
| 14:22.05 | fasdfd | greycat: I've done another pendrive, this time, with MBR partition and not GPT, doesn't work either, situation equal to the GPT one. |
| 14:22.14 | rafalcpp | is again reminded to hate systemd |
| 14:22.24 | greycat | systemd is *totally superior* |
| 14:22.26 | Posterdati | I have problem with frambuffer on my laptop: I configured grub with 1280x800, but when the system loads the kernel modules the framebuffer is forced to a smaller window |
| 14:22.41 | greycat | Instead of having to create a file and then 7 symbolic links, you just create one file, AND THE FILE IS SIMPLER! |
| 14:22.45 | ToeiRei | rafalcpp: systemd isn't as bad as it's while migrations ;) |
| 14:22.47 | rafalcpp | greycat: it's not unix way for one, and doesn't it break compatibility for like past decade |
| 14:23.07 | greycat | rafalcpp: you mean the System V way. BSD for example never had that. |
| 14:23.07 | _mirko_ | greycat: can you guess why it doesn't remove packages, I run those commands. Removed package and autoremove. |
| 14:23.12 | _mirko_ | >* |
| 14:23.16 | _mirko_ | ?* |
| 14:23.48 | cruncher | Posterdati, try GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX |
| 14:23.49 | greycat | Seriously a systemd file is about one third of the length and complexity of a Debianized start-stop-daemon init.d script. |
| 14:23.58 | rafalcpp | greycat: yes. but I ment in broader sense what not to like in systemd as w whole (massive whooooola ;). Likelly init.d format could be improved yes |
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| 14:24.08 | ToeiRei | bangs her head against the desk. |
| 14:24.13 | greycat | rafalcpp: if you mean compatibility with *other Linuxes* then yes, you have a point. |
| 14:24.15 | Posterdati | cruncher: I did, the resolution is correct until it says to load kernle modules |
| 14:24.58 | ToeiRei | rafalcpp: init.d stuff was usually just shell scripts and you don't really get to check when things are gone bad |
| 14:25.10 | cruncher | Posterdati, are you sure you tried GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep? |
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| 14:25.14 | ToeiRei | ... like a service crashed just after startup |
| 14:25.25 | cruncher | that would keep the resolution from grub |
| 14:25.30 | Posterdati | cruncher: yes and update-grub too |
| 14:25.33 | greycat | not "just" shell scripts, unfortunately, but an entire hacked-up infrastructure of duct tape and chewing gum including start-stop-daemon |
| 14:26.13 | Posterdati | cruncher: I have to do from root console: fbset --all --xres 1280 --yres 800 |
| 14:26.18 | Posterdati | cruncher: to fix it |
| 14:26.18 | ToeiRei | greycat: a pig with lipstick on is still a pig ;) |
| 14:26.31 | jhutchins | greycat: Some would call it modular and elegant. |
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| 14:26.55 | armin | ToeiRei: depends whether or not you're duck-typing. |
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| 14:27.09 | armin | ToeiRei: ;) |
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| 14:27.46 | greycat | jhutchins: sysvinit is shit. It is not elegant. |
| 14:28.11 | armin | same applies to systemd |
| 14:28.19 | greycat | I'm not saying systemd is perfect, but my GOD it's better than sysvinit in every single way. |
| 14:28.19 | armin | but, yes. |
| 14:28.54 | jhutchins | greycat: I had not realized you were a convert. |
| 14:28.58 | Posterdati | cruncher: cat /sys/class/graphics/fb0/modes ---> U:720x576p-0 |
| 14:29.06 | jhutchins | greycat: My view is that it's inevitable but doomed. |
| 14:29.19 | armin | greycat: every single way except one: the attitude of the developers is extra-ordinarily b/s. |
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| 14:29.50 | ToeiRei | armin: you're talking about lennert? (or however he's spelled) |
| 14:30.07 | armin | ToeiRei: also kay sievers, but yes, those 2 in the first place. |
| 14:30.32 | ToeiRei | armin: met them in person. Thanks, no need for doing that again ;) |
| 14:30.46 | armin | ToeiRei: i've met lennart on a few conferences. he's what i would describe as an omnipotent hyperactive guy i would never come along with. |
| 14:31.00 | armin | ToeiRei: read: "an asshole". |
| 14:31.46 | ToeiRei | armin: There are usually 2 groups... group 1: lennart, group2: rest |
| 14:32.18 | armin | ToeiRei: i also consider systemd technically massively questionable. |
| 14:32.19 | jmcnaught | lennart taks a lot of hateful crap from unix posers afraid of learning new things, but this is all offtopic and #debian-offtopic is over there --> |
| 14:32.32 | armin | there are a lot of arguments against it from a technical viewpoint, too. |
| 14:32.40 | cruncher | Posterdati, find out what your framebuffer is with lsmod | grep fb |
| 14:32.41 | armin | (if the political ones count as primary) |
| 14:33.05 | Posterdati | cruncher: no answer |
| 14:33.13 | ToeiRei | true, but honestly it's default for a reason (and a reason for me to have openrc running on some boxes) |
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| 14:33.26 | cruncher | Posterdati, you mean no output? |
| 14:33.39 | Posterdati | cruncher: exactly |
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| 14:33.59 | armin | http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ https://judecnelson.blogspot.de/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html http://www.teamcool.net/posts/zol-systemd-pain-points.html http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd |
| 14:34.03 | armin | just to name a few. |
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| 14:34.34 | ToeiRei | never mind. Anyways - got a clue for my kernel stuff? |
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| 14:35.49 | Posterdati | cruncher: I'm using nouveau |
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| 14:37.08 | armin | i also stopped reporting bugs against lennart years before systemd came into all those major distributions because i was totally set up by his attitude. |
| 14:37.52 | jmcnaught | armin: please let's keep this channel for tech support, there is a separate offtopic channel for this type of discussion |
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| 14:38.23 | armin | jmcnaught: that's another aspect why i hate systemd, but allright. |
| 14:38.38 | jelly | please keep discussion of people outside this tech support venue. Thank you. |
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| 14:39.06 | cruncher | Posterdati, i take it you work only in terminal and have no X installed |
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| 14:39.46 | Posterdati | cruncher: I have X installed |
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| 14:46.30 | cruncher | Posterdati, you can try using a framebuffer and set the resolution there |
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| 14:52.45 | cruncher | Posterdati, but if cat /sys/class/graphics/fb0/modes really shows only 1 mode, then maybe something isnt recognized (gpu?) |
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| 14:53.24 | somiaj | cruncher: Posterdati: nouveau and more modern kernel modules use kms (kernel modesetting) to set console (and X) resolution. Some may have comadability with framebuffer commands but that explains why loading the nouveau module (uses modesetting) will change the resolutions. |
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| 14:53.59 | somiaj | though I'm unsure the proper way to set console resolution with kms. lots of framebuffer info can be outdated for many modesetting modules. |
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| 14:54.23 | somiaj | (I don't know what sort of framebuffer compadability the kms nouveau driver will have) |
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| 14:55.56 | cruncher | somiaj, yes, but if i understood him correctly he still wants to set the terminal resolution |
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| 14:56.26 | Posterdati | cruncher: :) |
| 14:56.31 | somiaj | cruncher: correct, I think using kms directly would be prefered over framebuffer commands though |
| 14:56.32 | cruncher | Posterdati, how are you doing it anyway? as soon as you reach the DM you switch with ctrl+alt+f1 to a tty? |
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| 14:56.59 | somiaj | there is also a package you can dpkg-reconfigure to set console font if you want to default bigger resolution but a bigger front |
| 14:57.08 | cruncher | doesnt lightdm (or whatever DM you use) have already the correct resolution? |
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| 14:58.22 | jhutchins | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#idp61404976 |
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| 15:04.28 | somiaj | Posterdati: https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting#Setting_via_Grub that may help setting the resolution at boot, can't find the way to use kms to change the console reoslution on the fly. Though I woudl assume there is one, since kms is what changes the resoltion when switching to/from X |
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| 15:04.54 | Posterdati | :( |
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| 15:05.09 | Posterdati | somiaj: I read that too |
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| 15:17.16 | Posterdati | somiaj, cruncher: it is the nouveaufb that takes over, but sets the wrong resolution on console... |
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| 15:29.31 | Pegasus_RPG | Is it just my system or have others noticed that recent versions (5.1+) of LibreOffice on Linux at least redraw the screen MUCH more slowly? |
| 15:29.48 | Pegasus_RPG | is running Jessie and has the backported version of LibO installed |
| 15:30.13 | Pegasus_RPG | has discrete nVidia NVS graphics |
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| 15:39.01 | guest19238 | what would you folks say are the more popular window managers? |
| 15:39.05 | ksk | I have three .tar.gzs in one .tar - Can I get the extracted size of the .tar.gzs somehow? trying -t but it takes some time.. |
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| 15:39.35 | ksk | guest19238: fluxbox is the one and only! (why dont you google "linux window managers"?) |
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| 15:40.36 | guest19238 | ksk: just looking to try out something new |
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| 15:42.45 | greycat | guest19238: /msg judd popcon somepackagename |
| 15:43.22 | teraflops | guest19238: tiling wm or stacked? |
| 15:43.37 | guest19238 | never tried tiling, so i'd give that a shot |
| 15:43.45 | teraflops | i3 is quite popular for doing tiling |
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| 15:47.00 | teraflops | guest19238: I do xmonad but I'm not going to recommend it. people is afraid of haskell |
| 15:47.08 | teraflops | are* |
| 15:48.21 | BluesKaj-pi | how does one add non-default installed apps to the menu list on lxde desktop ? |
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| 15:52.08 | teraflops | BluesKaj-pi: did you googled it. I cannot believe that's not documented somewhere |
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| 15:54.44 | teraflops | ah |
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| 16:06.30 | BluesKaj-pi | teraflops, oddly enough after updating and upgrading jessie konversation suddenly appears in the internet list |
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| 16:09.02 | BluesKaj-pi | and yakuake is now available in system tools |
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| 16:18.22 | roger` | hi guys, what is the package to install to get mkfs.fat ? |
| 16:19.13 | Zharf | dosfstools |
| 16:19.23 | roger` | great, thanks |
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| 16:27.12 | w0lfic | hi! |
| 16:27.38 | jhutchins | blueyed: I think the programs are supposed to drop files in .desktop or something like that, and when the WM loads it's supposed to scan that and add the new apps. |
| 16:27.56 | jhutchins | Bah. |
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| 16:28.18 | w0lfic | what are you talkin about iam new! |
| 16:28.53 | w0lfic | why they all leaved IRCs?! its just now a master for botnets! :( |
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| 16:32.10 | SynrGy | w0lfic: plenty of folks here. if you have a debian support request, please ask here. otherwise, for social chat, join #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:34.46 | w0lfic | thanks okay! i think IRC is like ghost town! but iam fine with any kind of linux! iam online |
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| 16:38.31 | teraflops | xD |
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| 16:50.36 | M4L3 | anyone know the package that contain strongswan? |
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| 16:52.14 | TomTomTosch | ,i strongswan |
| 16:52.16 | judd | Package strongswan (net, optional) in jessie/amd64: IPsec VPN solution metapackage. Version: 5.2.1-6+deb8u2; Size: 85.6k; Installed: 161k; Homepage: http://www.strongswan.org |
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| 16:52.46 | TomTomTosch | M4L3: "strongswan" ^ |
| 16:53.09 | M4L3 | thanks :D |
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| 17:01.29 | Pixer | hey there folks |
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| 17:06.34 | BluesKaj-pi | ignore My |
| 17:07.29 | BluesKaj-pi | is there a config file that can be edited for the KB setting? |
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| 17:08.13 | dcampano | i am coming from a RHEL background and I am accustomed to services not starting automatically. how do people configure something like mysql-server since apt starts it automatically? I found the invoke-rc.d file, is that the common way? |
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| 17:15.54 | SynrG | dcampano: i don't have any frame of reference for your question, knowing only debian. what do you mean by "configure"? to me, that is done via conf files |
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| 17:16.24 | SynrG | dcampano: configure it to do what? |
| 17:16.51 | dcampano | i mean if I want to customize /etc/my.cnf before starting the service |
| 17:17.01 | greycat | Just restart it. |
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| 17:18.13 | dcampano | @greycat: sure thatâs fine if iâm using it on my desktop, I canât imagine people actually do that when configuring a server through something like chef |
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| 17:18.57 | greycat | Oh, one of THOOOSE. Chef/puppet/ansible bullshit. Not touching this. |
| 17:19.46 | dcampano | so you just use a bash script and restart it Iâm assuming |
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| 17:22.48 | r4fbsd | Hi all |
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| 17:24.07 | jhutchins | dcampano: pretty much. It's functional by default in Debian. Do be aware that there's a special management account pre-configured for start/stop and such. |
| 17:24.27 | jhutchins | dcampano: I believe it's explained in the README.debian file in the docs. |
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| 17:25.18 | r4fbsd | Please, I would like to know if this Debian channel by freenode is the same as OFTC |
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| 17:25.59 | greycat | The channels are not linked. |
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| 17:26.29 | r4fbsd | is the #Debian Servers OFTC channel reproduced in #debian channel by freenode ? |
| 17:26.49 | greycat | The channels are not linked. |
| 17:27.19 | r4fbsd | Hi greycat, nice to see you here. Thanks for information |
| 17:27.47 | mtcj | I believe this channel is the official one listed on debian.org, correct? |
| 17:28.17 | greycat | Nope. |
| 17:28.26 | greycat | irc.debian.org => OFTC |
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| 17:29.11 | r4fbsd | so, #Debian Servers by OFTC is the official Debian Support channel, greycat, I see |
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| 17:29.25 | rarcasz | Hey all. So I'm looking to try a new distro. Looking for something steady as a rock, like ubuntu; something pretty, like elementary; and something super customisable, like xfce or kde. Any suggestions? |
| 17:29.29 | mtcj | Thanks greycat |
| 17:29.41 | r4fbsd | Debian rarcasz |
| 17:29.41 | mtcj | That's what I was wondering for rf4bsd |
| 17:29.57 | r4fbsd | rarcasz, Debian GNU/Linux is the Best choice |
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| 17:30.13 | r4fbsd | Thanks for attention mtcj ! |
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| 17:30.17 | rarcasz | @r4fbsd |
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| 17:30.42 | r4fbsd | Thanks for help and attention, greycat ! :) |
| 17:30.50 | mtcj | I do like Debian. I like the package selection, documentation availability |
| 17:30.53 | prettyinred | Every single day thousands of people wake up to 9/11 being a fraud, false flag performed between rogue govâts of the US and Israel in an attempt to force the US to accept war in the ME on behalf of Israel as well as the new surveillance state which will continue to escalate. |
| 17:31.19 | rarcasz | @r4fbsd I've heard that debian has less in the repositories than some. What are the main advantages? I've just come off manjaro. |
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| 17:31.53 | prettyinred | Itâs baffling to me that people donât clearly see that the whole thing was a Mossad operation. |
| 17:32.03 | r4fbsd | Debian is simply the Best choice, both for Web Servers, Data Storage Servers, Home Serves, Desktop environment, any need you have, rarcasz |
| 17:32.12 | greycat | prettyinred: This is off topic here. |
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| 17:32.55 | r4fbsd | rarcasz, that's the opposite, there is no Linux Distro with such large, stable and complete repository that Debian has |
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| 17:33.31 | rarcasz | @r4fbsd Oh, okay. It must have just been bad info. I will check it out. |
| 17:33.41 | r4fbsd | all tested and stable, try and I'm sure you will have the same conclusion I have |
| 17:33.48 | c0ven | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository |
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| 17:34.18 | r4fbsd | rarcasz, please, have a look on it: https://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 17:34.19 | rarcasz | @r4fbsd I'm running Elementary OS atm and it's hurting my freedom bone |
| 17:34.33 | r4fbsd | or the c0ven suggestion |
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| 17:35.18 | pingfloyd | rarcasz: what ever gave you that Idea? Do you believe everything you hear? |
| 17:35.27 | rarcasz | Checking them out now @c0ven @r4fbsd |
| 17:35.43 | pingfloyd | rarcasz: it's actually quite the opposite. Debian has one of the largest repositories of official packages. |
| 17:35.57 | r4fbsd | How is it hurting your freedom bone ? You will not have such problem in Debian Distro |
| 17:36.10 | r4fbsd | In Debian, you have complete solutions, not new issues |
| 17:36.30 | mtcj | You should go to a doctor and have that bone looked at |
| 17:36.35 | rarcasz | @pingfloyd ahh, I have a problem reading things on the internet. I think actually the person was saying that it's more of a pain to install non-free software, which I took to mean smaller repos |
| 17:36.55 | pingfloyd | rarcasz: it couldn't be easier with Debian |
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| 17:37.08 | pingfloyd | you add contrib and non-free to the lines in your sources.list |
| 17:37.14 | rarcasz | ahhh |
| 17:37.21 | rarcasz | okay, thanks for the help |
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| 17:37.23 | pingfloyd | rarcasz: whoever wrote that article didn't know what they're talking about |
| 17:37.24 | rarcasz | everyone |
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| 17:37.43 | Aut0Exec | hi guys... i'm getting ..."E: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org jessie InRelease: Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NODATA' (does the network require authentication?)" |
| 17:37.47 | Aut0Exec | can someone please help |
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| 17:38.05 | pingfloyd | and they've probably never ran Fedora, Centos, or RHEL as a comparison when it comes to topic of non-free packages |
| 17:38.17 | r4fbsd | rarcsz, The two systems that I use is Debian GNU / Linux and FreeBSD, but my main system is always Debian, because the more organized level of security updates, applications, and bug fixes. |
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| 17:38.59 | pingfloyd | if anything, that's one of the big pluses for Debian in my book. They leave it up to the user how free they want to make their installation with minimal fuss. |
| 17:39.01 | rarcasz | @r4fbsd ahh, hence the 'bsd' in the name. Why bsd? |
| 17:39.38 | pingfloyd | the non-free stuff isn't officially supported, but it is still thoroughly tested and just as trivial to install as the free stuff |
| 17:40.00 | r4fbsd | I forgot to exchange it, rarcasz, I help a BSD Project, that's why this nick, but my official nick here is R4F_Debian |
| 17:40.01 | pingfloyd | and out of the same repository which you can have a little more trust in |
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| 17:41.29 | rarcasz | @pingfloyd Those are great selling points, thank you for the corrections! |
| 17:42.01 | pingfloyd | rarcasz: no problem. My pleasure to set the record straight. There are a lot of misconception about Debian out there. |
| 17:42.10 | r4fbsd | and the experience I get from FreeBSD users, and from my own experience, I can assure you that it still can not have the same overall level of performance, stability and functionality that a Debian GNU / Linux |
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| 17:42.51 | rarcasz | @r4fbsd Ahh, I see. So you would recommend going with Debian GNU/Linux |
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| 17:43.55 | r4fbsd | Conclusion: I like a lot FreeBSD, it is a really good OS, but I LOVE Debian - simply better in every way than any other existing operating system |
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| 17:44.13 | pingfloyd | rarcasz: debian has policies they adhere to like DFSG, but they still make amenities for users that have a different philosophy. Those other amenities are unofficially supported (as in provided conveniently and kept to high quality level) rather well. |
| 17:44.37 | r4fbsd | Surely ! You will Love it too ! |
| 17:45.17 | pingfloyd | rarcasz: usually what doesn't have inclusion are projects that have serious security issues and bugs that never get addressed. |
| 17:45.18 | r4fbsd | rarcasz - DFSG - Debian Free Software Guidelines |
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| 17:45.55 | r4fbsd | as pingfloyd said. |
| 17:46.00 | pingfloyd | some of the devs of such project may try to paint a picture that Debian is being exclusive, but it's really them not taking accountability for their end of things. |
| 17:46.38 | rarcasz | Ahh, I see. That makes sense |
| 17:46.40 | pingfloyd | like if they addressed some of the issues that prevent support of their projects, they'd probably get included. |
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| 17:46.53 | superbfish | I can't host a http server with wired connection. I have fully purged both nginx and apache2 and reinstalled them, seems like the http server is irrelevant. When I try to access my server from my gaming pc I can't connect to it with 192.168.0.10 (both computers on same network), but it works if I access it from the server. My external ip won't work on any of the computers, unless I unplug the cable and start connecting by wifi. Wh |
| 17:46.53 | superbfish | en connected by wifi both ip's work from both computers... I don't get it haha. |
| 17:47.14 | debkad | my iceweasel become firefox esr or just it is the naming? |
| 17:47.17 | jelly | Aut0Exec: does this persist after a second apt-get update? |
| 17:47.54 | jelly | debkad: yes, it's pretty much just the naming. |
| 17:48.02 | debkad | ah |
| 17:48.10 | TomTomTosch | rarcasz: making it as pretty as elementary will probably take some work. never seen a DE as polished as pantheon on Loki and the applications around that. if you want the latest desktop environments, debian stable is probably not for you. |
| 17:48.30 | debkad | it happen when i dist-upgrade i think |
| 17:48.57 | jelly | debkad: debian and mozilla have solved all the issues that prevented debian from using the "firefox" brand, so now their browser is again packaged and named as firefox in debian |
| 17:49.12 | Pegasus_RPG | can't wait until the same is done for Thunderbird/Icedove |
| 17:49.29 | jelly | firefox-esr is a longer-lived branch that has about 9-10 months of support |
| 17:49.43 | Pegasus_RPG | ...and Iceowl |
| 17:50.10 | jelly | iceweasel in stable has been tracking mozilla's ESR branch for a couple years now |
| 17:50.18 | debkad | jelly, so it is fine to stay with firefox esr or i can just install the original firefox? |
| 17:50.28 | jelly | debkad: it's fine |
| 17:50.30 | greycat | You can do whatever you like. It's your computer. |
| 17:50.33 | Aut0Exec | jelly: yes |
| 17:50.35 | debkad | good thanks |
| 17:50.37 | pingfloyd | debkad: https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/ |
| 17:50.50 | Aut0Exec | jelly: i added a repo |
| 17:50.54 | debkad | Hey pingfloyd nice to see you again |
| 17:50.55 | Aut0Exec | and its giving me that |
| 17:50.55 | jelly | Aut0Exec: okay. are you using a proxy of some kind? |
| 17:51.02 | Aut0Exec | no proxy |
| 17:51.06 | Aut0Exec | how can i check? |
| 17:51.13 | Aut0Exec | i set up no proxy during install |
| 17:51.28 | jelly | Aut0Exec: if you didn't set it up you're not using any (explicitely) |
| 17:51.34 | Aut0Exec | ok |
| 17:51.36 | greycat | Aut0Exec: if you set one during installation, it would be in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 17:51.42 | Aut0Exec | greycat: ok |
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| 17:52.08 | pingfloyd | debkad: howdy |
| 17:52.09 | Aut0Exec | greycat: that file does not exist |
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| 17:52.42 | pingfloyd | debkad: that link I gave gives the nitty gritty about the renaming to iceweasel and back to firefox, as well as what some of the issues were that have since been addressed. |
| 17:52.45 | jelly | Aut0Exec: you could try this, manually wipe all the downloaded repo info «rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*_*» and run an «apt-get update» again, then pastebin the full output |
| 17:52.49 | debkad | pingfloyd, i'm trying to be an original debian user :D |
| 17:53.17 | Aut0Exec | jelly: i did that already |
| 17:53.17 | debkad | thanks for the link pingfloyd |
| 17:53.25 | Aut0Exec | saw it in a google lookup |
| 17:53.27 | rarcasz | @TomTomTosch Although I like the pantheon desktop there are things that bug me a lot about elementary. Mainly the ubuntu base and the lack of customisability. The latter especially irritates me since it means that I can't customise my work-flow as much as I would like. I think I could do fine with a KDE or Xfce DE... Even GNOME looks okay, although I've not tried it. |
| 17:54.15 | TomTomTosch | rarcasz: have fun, then ^.^ |
| 17:54.26 | pingfloyd | debkad: personally, I usually use the binary from mozilla. It's pretty easy to install. You simply extract it to where you want firefox to reside (/opt/firefox is where I do) and just run it from there. But now debian is basically maintaining firefox ESR for you through their repos, which is nice. |
| 17:54.26 | jelly | Aut0Exec: maybe you have but I'd still like to see the whole output |
| 17:54.44 | rarcasz | @TomTomTosch I came from Manjaro Xfce fairly recently. Had to get rid of it because I started a new job and don't like the possibility of updating my computer and having packages break |
| 17:54.44 | Aut0Exec | ok |
| 17:55.11 | rarcasz | @TomTomTosch Thank you |
| 17:55.13 | pingfloyd | debkad: it's pretty much a win win |
| 17:55.39 | Aut0Exec | jelly: so remove everything inside of that "lists" directory |
| 17:55.41 | Aut0Exec | ? |
| 17:55.43 | debkad | cool |
| 17:55.52 | jelly | Aut0Exec: no |
| 17:56.08 | jelly | Aut0Exec: remove just the filenames that have _ in the name |
| 17:56.14 | Aut0Exec | ok |
| 17:56.31 | jelly | rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*_* |
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| 17:57.38 | Aut0Exec | jelly: your command doesnt work |
| 17:57.49 | Aut0Exec | there are files in /lists/partial that "_" in it |
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| 17:58.43 | jelly | Aut0Exec: yeah, remove those as well |
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| 17:59.22 | jelly | Aut0Exec: how does it fail to work? |
| 17:59.41 | Aut0Exec | jelly: rm: cannot remove ?/var/lib/apt/lists/*_*?: No such file or directory |
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| 18:00.34 | jelly | Aut0Exec: that's okay |
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| 18:01.27 | Aut0Exec | same error |
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| 18:01.51 | greycat | You realize that it's just telling you it did nothing because there were no files to remove, right? |
| 18:02.04 | Aut0Exec | greycat: ah ok |
| 18:02.06 | Aut0Exec | you are right |
| 18:02.11 | Aut0Exec | sorry |
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| 18:03.34 | jelly | it is somewhat unusual there wasn't ANY repo info downloaded |
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| 18:04.26 | jelly | which is another reason it would be nice to see the complete output for an update attempt |
| 18:04.48 | greycat | You can also tell the newbies to use rm -f and it'll be silent when there are no files. |
| 18:05.10 | debkad | rm is a monster |
| 18:05.22 | jelly | but *_* is so pretty |
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| 18:07.15 | Aut0Exec | what do you guys use for pastebin? |
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| 18:07.25 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 18:08.11 | Aut0Exec | http://paste.debian.net/825495/ |
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| 18:11.01 | debkad | i use curl |
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| 18:11.54 | debkad | Aut0Exec, example: your_command | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' sprunge.us |
| 18:12.14 | debkad | there is nc termbin or something like that too |
| 18:12.29 | greycat | Debian also has a pastebinit package. |
| 18:13.38 | Aut0Exec | debkad: ah ok |
| 18:13.44 | Aut0Exec | thanks |
| 18:13.48 | Aut0Exec | jelly: did you see my paste? |
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| 18:14.23 | Aut0Exec | I just want to install omd/check_mk and that repo worked so nicely on a previous install |
| 18:14.28 | Aut0Exec | weird how its messing up now |
| 18:14.38 | dionysus69 | is there a simple utility for setting up NFS share? i am having problems with smb |
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| 18:15.33 | th0r | dionysus69, samba only requires about four lines added to the config file....should be easy. |
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| 18:16.02 | dionysus69 | hmm ok |
| 18:16.53 | th0r | dionysus69, and no, I don't think there is a utility...swat is no longer supported I believe |
| 18:17.22 | jelly | Aut0Exec: hmm. can you pick a different mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 18:17.28 | Aut0Exec | i see my problem |
| 18:17.30 | Aut0Exec | i feel so dumb |
| 18:17.32 | Aut0Exec | :( |
| 18:17.51 | greycat | NFS just requires installing nfs-kernel-server and adding a line to /etc/exports and then restarting nfs-kernel-server. |
| 18:17.52 | Aut0Exec | firewall admin recently implemented a rule that blocks |
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| 18:19.48 | jelly | so the error message really is accurate |
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| 18:21.37 | dionysus69 | greycat: ok thanks for clarifying that. the ubuntu guide was making it look like a rocket science xD |
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| 18:25.19 | rarcasz | When creating a debian live usb do you have to do it by creating a hybrid boot volume? |
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| 18:27.11 | stoned | Yeah, I uploaded it this morning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e0niT5pL4A |
| 18:27.17 | stoned | Doh. |
| 18:27.44 | stoned | I thought the active window was diff channel. |
| 18:27.44 | stoned | ##music |
| 18:27.49 | M4L3 | Im very new to kali |
| 18:27.58 | M4L3 | so I'm trying to learn all about it |
| 18:28.28 | stoned | Kali linux is based on debian but not a debian |
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| 18:28.28 | stoned | !based on debian |
| 18:28.28 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:28.36 | greycat | !kali |
| 18:28.37 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 18:28.38 | stoned | There should be a linux kali channel |
| 18:28.50 | stoned | Good afternoon folks |
| 18:29.22 | M4L3 | Good afternoon |
| 18:29.29 | M4L3 | There is a kali but it seem dead |
| 18:29.47 | stoned | Unfortunately, we can't provide support for all the derivative distros |
| 18:29.52 | stoned | It would be pure chaos in here. Try ##linux |
| 18:30.05 | greycat | Is it... *hidden* or something? |
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| 18:30.24 | M4L3 | It's okay. |
| 18:30.42 | stoned | But I just grab all the infosec tools I need in debian. |
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| 18:30.50 | greycat | Yeah. The fuckers. It's a HIDDEN CHANNEL. Jesus. |
| 18:30.55 | stoned | Kali is just a collection of tools in one distro. Nothing special. |
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| 18:30.57 | greycat | I had to join it to be able to see it. |
| 18:31.16 | stoned | That seems a bit... counter productive |
| 18:31.27 | greycat | Indeed. Especially since the channel name is on their web site. |
| 18:31.45 | M4L3 | i figured it was hidden |
| 18:31.50 | M4L3 | cuz when I type the command |
| 18:31.57 | M4L3 | it put me in the right kali channel |
| 18:32.18 | dean-browne | I'm having trouble with android studio on debian. Even a blank project will not build with gradle. Have searched stack for an answer but nothing seems to work |
| 18:32.23 | M4L3 | thx tho |
| 18:32.38 | pingfloyd | M4L3: #kali-linux |
| 18:33.01 | M4L3 | I got it pingfloyd. :D |
| 18:33.06 | stoned | \o/ |
| 18:33.13 | pingfloyd | for some reason it doesn't come up with alis though |
| 18:33.15 | M4L3 | (^_^) |
| 18:33.24 | stoned | pingfloyd: you came a bit late to the party |
| 18:33.34 | M4L3 | add i did was ./join #kali |
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| 18:33.39 | M4L3 | it it just put me in there |
| 18:33.42 | greycat | Oh, does #kali redirect to it? |
| 18:33.50 | M4L3 | I didnt see it when i was searching thru the channel list |
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| 18:33.52 | greycat | And is there any way you can *see* that other than joining? |
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| 18:33.55 | TomTomTo1 | rarcasz: no, you just cp the iso to the block device. |
| 18:34.17 | M4L3 | now i know the channel list doesnt show all channels |
| 18:34.26 | pingfloyd | M4L3: like I said, for some reason it doesn't come up on alis |
| 18:34.28 | alsochris | Hello, I have my debian machine authenticating with my domain via realmd and ssd. This works fine for terminal but gnome wont let me login, can someone point me right? |
| 18:34.30 | M4L3 | I wonder what other channels are there that I'm not seeing |
| 18:34.38 | alsochris | Active directory... |
| 18:34.51 | stoned | pingfloyd: +s and +p modes |
| 18:35.08 | greycat | It makes no sense for an operating system's main support channel to be hidden. But anyway, this isn't on topic in #debian. |
| 18:35.15 | stoned | pingfloyd: I forgot which is which, one allows channel to be hidden in channels list, one allows channel to not show up in whois list. |
| 18:35.16 | stoned | soemthing like that |
| 18:35.24 | pingfloyd | stoned: it's +cnst |
| 18:35.32 | stoned | ah. +s |
| 18:35.34 | TomTomTo1 | they probably had problems with bots msging people. |
| 18:35.52 | pingfloyd | in short, it's ops need to get their act together |
| 18:36.00 | stoned | its. |
| 18:36.10 | stoned | sorry. |
| 18:36.30 | stoned | It's a reaction to grammatical errors. I'm not that guy. |
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| 18:37.02 | stoned | I should stone. I'm trying to adopt some packages. |
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| 18:37.04 | pingfloyd | I could use the proof reading when I'm writing something formal, but on irc it's not much good. |
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| 18:37.32 | pingfloyd | that's the irony of text communications |
| 18:37.41 | stoned | Well, it gives one the habit of proofreading as you type. Reading over the sentence that has just been formed is seeminly a good practice before committing to the Enter key |
| 18:37.49 | stoned | Well. |
| 18:37.57 | stoned | It's language in general. |
| 18:37.59 | pingfloyd | when you're trying to write something where accuracy counts, you can't find someone to proof read it to save your life. |
| 18:38.00 | stoned | But I digest. |
| 18:38.12 | stoned | pingfloyd: https://stoned.io/psychedelics/Monkey-Language/ |
| 18:38.24 | dean-browne | stoned: digress? |
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| 18:38.37 | stoned | actually, just https://stoned.io/tags/language/. dean-browne: I digest. :D |
| 18:38.52 | stoned | Anyway. Moving on |
| 18:39.02 | pingfloyd | there's no substitute for a second pair of scrutinizing eyes. |
| 18:39.41 | stoned | I do like inline spell checking and etc. Hexchat has that it underlines errors in red. |
| 18:39.48 | pingfloyd | even when you proof read what you wrote, you'll still miss some things, that you may not proof reading someone else's paper. |
| 18:39.54 | stoned | Now a grammar engine in weechat or something like grammarly would be nice. |
| 18:39.56 | stoned | Very nice. |
| 18:40.21 | pingfloyd | spell checkers make a lot of miscorrections though |
| 18:40.23 | stoned | True. Now my blog articles (checked by grammarly) are a lot better. |
| 18:40.27 | stoned | True. |
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| 18:41.33 | rarcasz | @TomTomTo1 Ah, I ask because there are several live isos ;;; for each DE there's 'iso', 'iso.contents', 'iso.log', 'iso.packages' and 'iso.zsync' |
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| 18:52.16 | andril | o/ |
| 18:52.20 | alsochris | I have my debian machine authenticating to my AD domain but cannot seem to login to xserver/gnome i have set the wrapper to anybody but the login still fails? |
| 18:52.24 | alsochris | can i get an assist? |
| 18:52.26 | andril | any conky users |
| 18:52.41 | alsochris | Terminal works fine however |
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| 18:53.07 | lethu | andril yes |
| 18:53.23 | andril | my man lethu :) |
| 18:53.26 | lethu | :) |
| 18:53.55 | andril | i am looking for something small and simple |
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| 18:54.18 | lethu | andril, do you know the config file basics? |
| 18:54.43 | andril | lethu: no too n00b |
| 18:55.00 | andril | but i can copy and paste like a l33t |
| 18:55.10 | lethu | andril, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=39906&p=46 |
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| 18:55.53 | SynrG | rarcasz: only one of those is '.iso', though. that's the file you dd (or cp) directly to the USB media |
| 18:55.59 | andril | lethu: thanks i will browse around |
| 18:56.04 | SynrG | rarcasz: the others have different purposes. |
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| 18:57.00 | lethu | andril, np or for my personal config file http://pastebin.com/CMk6yr1j |
| 18:57.07 | rarcasz | @SynrG |
| 18:57.10 | rarcasz | thank you |
| 18:57.25 | andril | lethu: do you have any screnshots |
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| 18:59.09 | cybrNaut | yikes.. no pastebin.com please |
| 18:59.13 | cybrNaut | !paste |
| 18:59.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:59.31 | cybrNaut | lethu: paste.debian.net does not discriminate against Tor users |
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| 18:59.47 | dean-browne | andril check out this: http://dotshare.it/category/info/conky/ |
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| 19:00.32 | bladeplate | hi, i installed sucessfully debian on my vaio p, now when it boots it hans on loading, please wait. i think i can wait forever, it is freezed. |
| 19:00.37 | andril | thanks dean-browne |
| 19:00.41 | dean-browne | :D |
| 19:00.51 | bladeplate | any expert help? |
| 19:01.05 | lethu | andril, http://i64.tinypic.com/ax1wrp.png |
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| 19:01.10 | cybrNaut | bladeplate: didn't even know you could put debian on a sony phone |
| 19:01.32 | bladeplate | cybrnault it is a laptop.not.a.phone |
| 19:01.35 | dean-browne | cybrNaut: Debian will run on anything :D |
| 19:01.39 | cybrNaut | ah |
| 19:01.47 | TheNH813 | Anyone have information on installing Debian for the AllWinner A30 SoC? |
| 19:01.51 | bladeplate | it is a vaio p 31zk |
| 19:01.59 | bladeplate | any help? |
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| 19:02.05 | lethu | cybrNaut, thanks will make sure to use that in the future |
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| 19:02.35 | mutante | since Iceweasel is Firefox again, how come Icedove is not Thunderbird again too? |
| 19:02.44 | bladeplate | why it hangs on boot? :( i really love this laptop |
| 19:03.14 | dean-browne | mutante: It will be soon. The devs just have't got around to it. |
| 19:03.20 | bladeplate | debian is the only distro that installed sucessfully |
| 19:03.37 | cybrNaut | mutante: in debian it's still Iceweasel, I thought, and IceCat in other free linux distros |
| 19:03.38 | mutante | dean-browne: cool, thank you |
| 19:03.40 | cybrNaut | hard to keep up |
| 19:03.45 | bladeplate | but it doesnt boot:( |
| 19:03.53 | mutante | cybrNaut: it's Firefox in stretch |
| 19:04.14 | mutante | (after 10 years :) |
| 19:04.18 | bladeplate | cybrNault: any help? |
| 19:04.48 | bladeplate | there are here an experts on debian or only newbies? lol |
| 19:04.49 | cybrNaut | bladeplate: do you get a gui? |
| 19:05.01 | cybrNaut | bladeplate: or does it hang on the status msgs? |
| 19:05.10 | bladeplate | cybrNaut only grub at boot |
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| 19:05.50 | bladeplate | cybrNaut in recovery mode it hangs after detecting usb controller |
| 19:05.56 | cybrNaut | bladeplate: was that a fresh install from scratch, or multibooting? |
| 19:06.01 | alsochris | no. nonone can advise how to get xserver/gnome to allow AD logins? |
| 19:06.10 | bladeplate | cybrNault a fresh install |
| 19:06.43 | bladeplate | cybrNaut could be because the laptop has a gma500 video card? |
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| 19:07.02 | cybrNaut | bladeplate: if you feel like experimenting, couldn't hurt to try installing again w/LILO |
| 19:07.30 | cybrNaut | bladeplate: not sure about the video card.. and i don't know about that card |
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| 19:07.54 | cybrNaut | bladeplate: do live CDs give you any problems? |
| 19:08.05 | cybrNaut | (or live USB sticks) |
| 19:08.17 | bladeplate | ya, dont tryed debian live cd. |
| 19:08.29 | bladeplate | only other distros. |
| 19:08.42 | CaloNord | Debian is the most easy to use distro on earth with lovely apt-get and FreeBSD users tell me they can't install or use it! -- LOL! |
| 19:08.48 | cybrNaut | would be an interesting test.. you could also try debian-based distros like Tails linux |
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| 19:09.09 | CaloNord | Ubuntu is the easiest based on debian probably for novices |
| 19:09.22 | bladeplate | CaloNord i was able to install it but doesnt boot |
| 19:09.22 | crash_ | debian is not harder then ubuntu |
| 19:09.22 | CaloNord | Simple documentation and great driver support and updates |
| 19:09.35 | alsochris | CaloNord: if debian is so easy to use why I can no get xserver/gnome to let me authenticate against AD? |
| 19:09.38 | CaloNord | bladeplate, You just did it wrong, even Windows + uNetbootin + debian net install = Easy as |
| 19:10.01 | CaloNord | Because you're asking too much and not knowing enough about what you are doing, if you think its hard try doing it with slackware mate ;) |
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| 19:10.17 | CaloNord | Go back to ubuntu or windows 7 if you can't get it or study it with patience ;) |
| 19:10.19 | cybrNaut | i'm probably not the best person to ask for support on your issue though bladeplate.. i don't know the nuts and bolts of grub |
| 19:10.22 | CaloNord | Very easy indeed nearly all automated |
| 19:10.27 | julius_ | hi |
| 19:10.28 | mutante | anything that people do for a long time, they consider easy |
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| 19:10.47 | bladeplate | cybrnault it has windows.10 |
| 19:10.48 | CaloNord | mutante, I found it easy the first time I tried it at 13... |
| 19:10.52 | alsochris | CaloNord: I learn by doing. I have it working fine at the terminal. Im just looking for apoint in the right direction. I will never know as much as some of you. just keep looking down your noses. |
| 19:10.53 | julius_ | is there a way to disable the popups on the lower end of the screen that come up when a usb mass storage device is attached? |
| 19:10.56 | CaloNord | Admittedly I was usign FreeBSD at 13 and looking at kernels lol |
| 19:10.59 | cybrNaut | i was about to suggest #grub, but whenever i have a grub problem that channel is helpless |
| 19:11.02 | mutante | CaloNord: just to explain the FreeBSD users |
| 19:11.14 | CaloNord | bladeplate, Windows 10 is horrible the ai even checks how many times you open a photo!!! |
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| 19:11.25 | bladeplate | cybernault thanks anyway |
| 19:11.33 | cybrNaut | bladeplate: so you're multibooting win10? |
| 19:11.39 | bladeplate | calonord, just disable it |
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| 19:11.56 | CaloNord | I thought when microsoft announced it would be free, I was like hold on, the only time MS give out anything for free is when they stand to gain something just like their supporting poison vaccines and Bill Gates saying if they do a good enough job in a few years they can reduce world population by 10% to reduce CO2 emissions |
| 19:12.05 | bladeplate | cybrnault this time no. just testing the machine |
| 19:12.15 | CaloNord | bladeplate, It has built in back up policys... Even in the core, just use windows 7 and disable all services, and grab a quickie with anti virus |
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| 19:12.34 | CaloNord | Windows 7 Or Windows XP with tweaks is more secure then you'd ever imagine for Windows based machines... |
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| 19:13.06 | bladeplate | calonord the future is operating system on the cloud. |
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| 19:13.35 | cybrNaut | bladeplate: not my future |
| 19:13.45 | CaloNord | No it isnt bladeplate lol thats beyond retarded not every machine will have net for a start |
| 19:13.50 | cybrNaut | fuck that.. don't trust it |
| 19:13.51 | CaloNord | It's also more laggy and way more open to hacks |
| 19:13.56 | bladeplate | calonord laptops and mobile.phones will be acting as terminals |
| 19:14.00 | CaloNord | As if port sniffing and scanning wasnt bad enough |
| 19:14.13 | CaloNord | Only for those who accept that crap |
| 19:14.19 | bladeplate | cLonord have you internet? |
| 19:14.20 | CaloNord | I prefer my own shit here at home with me |
| 19:14.26 | CaloNord | Not wide open on the net |
| 19:14.30 | CaloNord | Of course most have internet |
| 19:14.35 | CaloNord | But I'm just saying there will be times when we do not |
| 19:14.42 | bladeplate | calonord ya, for now. |
| 19:14.44 | CaloNord | Cloud can kiss my ass |
| 19:14.48 | CaloNord | Oh |
| 19:14.53 | CaloNord | So there will be free wifi 24-7 all over earth? |
| 19:14.57 | CaloNord | In every street? |
| 19:14.58 | TomTomTo1 | !offtopic |
| 19:14.58 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 19:14.59 | CaloNord | Doubt it |
| 19:15.06 | bladeplate | calonord ya |
| 19:15.10 | CaloNord | TomTomTo1, No one is around atm for help |
| 19:15.15 | cybrNaut | ~20+ years ago a Novell Networks CEO (I think) predicted all cloud-based OSs |
| 19:15.23 | CaloNord | In the mean time staff said we can vent even if off topic |
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| 19:15.31 | CaloNord | iPhones are bad enough |
| 19:15.35 | babilen | CaloNord: Please continue in #debian-offtopic |
| 19:15.39 | bladeplate | calonord and people with have implants like tatoos to receive wifi in their brains |
| 19:15.41 | CaloNord | Bleh |
| 19:15.57 | CaloNord | Yeah its called mark of the beast tech |
| 19:16.04 | CaloNord | http://calonord.com/ for proof |
| 19:16.10 | CaloNord | Anyways off to #debian-offtopic |
| 19:16.15 | stoned | \o/ |
| 19:16.17 | stoned | about time |
| 19:16.24 | CaloNord | ^ off topic |
| 19:16.26 | CaloNord | gone |
| 19:16.57 | bladeplate | how to boot debian on my vaio p? |
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| 19:17.12 | stoned | sony viao |
| 19:17.18 | babilen | CaloNord: And do *not* spam in this channel. |
| 19:17.18 | harovali | hi, there are two USB Epson printers connected to my debian linux , however just one of them shows itself as a device , like it is shown here: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/429099/47405324/ Any hint is welcome ! |
| 19:17.21 | stoned | !ig |
| 19:17.21 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>. |
| 19:17.24 | bladeplate | stoned it doesnt boot |
| 19:17.24 | CaloNord | Use a USB flash drive, use windows + unetbootin + debian iso bladeplate |
| 19:17.25 | babilen | CaloNord: Seriosuly ... man |
| 19:17.32 | CaloNord | babilen, Get over it man |
| 19:17.34 | stoned | bladeplate: what doesn't boot? |
| 19:17.36 | CaloNord | New here man |
| 19:17.43 | stoned | bladeplate: the prepared boot media or post-installation? |
| 19:17.49 | bladeplate | stoned it hangs on loading |
| 19:17.57 | stoned | bladeplate: which part? |
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| 19:18.11 | stoned | Are you able to install debian at all? |
| 19:18.26 | bladeplate | stoned i installed it sucessfully after boot it hangs on loading, please wait |
| 19:18.43 | stoned | press alt+f2 |
| 19:18.50 | stoned | or alt+f4 whichever was the debug console |
| 19:18.52 | stoned | see what's up |
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| 19:19.04 | stoned | oh you already installed it |
| 19:19.13 | bladeplate | stoned wait a sec, booting grub |
| 19:19.17 | barteks2x | Is it on my end or is half of the internet is down? |
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| 19:19.32 | babilen | barteks2x: I'd say it's you |
| 19:19.46 | bladeplate | stoned it does nothing it is freezed on loading, please wait.... |
| 19:19.53 | barteks2x | Right now all other IRC servers returned for me. Before they were all unreachable |
| 19:19.58 | stoned | bladeplate: debian jessie? |
| 19:20.15 | bladeplate | stoned debian 8 cd version |
| 19:20.25 | stoned | And you were able to install it but it doesn't boot from hdd? |
| 19:20.31 | stoned | That's strange. |
| 19:20.57 | bladeplate | stoned on grub if i select recovery mode it hangs after loading the controllers |
| 19:21.01 | stoned | bladeplate: this s a eufi system and you installed from a live cd? |
| 19:21.13 | bladeplate | stoned after usb controllers |
| 19:21.26 | bladeplate | stoned yes |
| 19:21.58 | stoned | bladeplate: switch to CSM legacy mode in bios |
| 19:21.58 | stoned | Then reboot |
| 19:21.58 | bladeplate | stoned it is not a uefi |
| 19:21.58 | babilen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.58 | bladeplate | babilen yes |
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| 19:22.13 | babilen | Okay, so the problem is starting Xorg? |
| 19:22.44 | bladeplate | babilen and stoned it boots grub |
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| 19:23.09 | babilen | Yes, and can you boot into maintenance mode from there? |
| 19:23.19 | bladeplate | babilen stoned i' |
| 19:23.29 | greycat | I think debian renamed single-user mode to "safe mode" lately. |
| 19:23.30 | bladeplate | babilen advanced mode? |
| 19:23.47 | babilen | Yeah, pick "safe mode" there |
| 19:24.07 | bladeplate | bbabilen, recovey mode you mean |
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| 19:24.20 | bladeplate | babilen booting:) |
| 19:24.54 | bladeplate | babilen it freezed after ehci host controller |
| 19:25.06 | babilen | What kind of hardware is that? |
| 19:25.18 | stoned | sony viao pc? |
| 19:25.31 | stoned | some crazy custom hw sony gets people to develop form them for cheap |
| 19:25.43 | bladeplate | babilen it is a vaio p laptop model p31zk |
| 19:25.57 | bladeplate | stoned ya |
| 19:26.22 | bladeplate | stoned, babilen it have a gma500 video card, a problematic one. |
| 19:26.44 | stoned | that's intel isn't it? |
| 19:27.28 | bladeplate | it hanged at 3.068476 hub 1â0:1.0: w ports detected |
| 19:27.37 | bladeplate | stoned ya |
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| 19:29.30 | bladeplate | babilen stoned it hangged at scsi PATA ata2 |
| 19:30.14 | bladeplate | babilen, stoned : do you think it could be related to pata disk? |
| 19:31.09 | babilen | No, i think it is related to your graphic card |
| 19:31.28 | babilen | (unfortunately I can't investigate further right now .. afk) |
| 19:32.34 | bladeplate | babilen there is no linux distro that can run on gma500? lol |
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| 19:32.54 | bladeplate | babilen but it was on graphic mode on installation |
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| 19:33.30 | stoned | And that's not something you can change. |
| 19:33.32 | stoned | the laptop gpu |
| 19:33.45 | stoned | They are allmost always a BGA layout |
| 19:33.56 | stoned | not something you can slide in/out and replace/upgrade |
| 19:33.59 | bladeplate | babilen it would be cool to boot on command line from grub to detect issues |
| 19:34.41 | bladeplate | stoned ya, how to debug? |
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| 19:39.41 | bladeplate | babilen can i go to command prompt? |
| 19:39.55 | joqmos | Hi. I've been trying to install Jessie on my desktop computer with the netinst image. I'm using an USB TL-WN7200ND Wireless Adapter. The installer is able to detect it, but it failed to find any networks. It also shows up as wlan0 (Wireless ethernet). Could somebody lend me a hand here? :-) |
| 19:39.59 | bladeplate | stoned can i go to command prompt? |
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| 19:41.52 | joqmos | Also, does the first CD image contain additional drivers? I'm thinking the drivers for the adapter may not be included in the netinst image... |
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| 19:44.46 | FreePrinter | hello |
| 19:45.06 | FreePrinter | where i can find on freenode a channel of printers enthusiast? |
| 19:45.20 | FreePrinter | want to share some tips and tricks about printing and graphic |
| 19:45.28 | FreePrinter | can you suggest me a room ? |
| 19:46.16 | bladeplate | babilen stoned booting hydrogen live based on debian, it hangs on loading please wait |
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| 19:47.18 | Pegasus_RPG | Okay, I've found that the slow-scrolling problem in LibreOffice is not actually in LO because I can run it under GDB, click to scroll, then break out of it in GDB and still about 1.5 seconds later, the window repaints. Xorg is at 100% during the lag. |
| 19:47.39 | Pegasus_RPG | Yet LO 4.3.3 does NOT show the problem on the same system. So against which package should I file the bug? |
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| 19:48.42 | Pegasus_RPG | This is on Debian Jessie |
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| 19:49.16 | Pegasus_RPG | downloads the latest LO from their site to check against that |
| 19:50.01 | stoned | FreePrinter: ##linux or ##hardware maybe? |
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| 19:53.36 | FreePrinter | stoned: thank you :) |
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| 21:14.06 | DeaDSouL | hi, I have folder called 'movies' and it's owned by root, and its group is 'users' which has the write permission... inside that folder there is a video-file which is own by root, and its group is root too..... so, anyone belongs to 'users' group can create files in that folder, and delete his created files too... yet he is ABLE to delete the video file which is being owned by root:root ... how to prevent him from deleting the files he doesn't own or belon |
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| 21:14.50 | DeaDSouL | s/is own by/is owned by/ |
| 21:14.55 | ksk | :) |
| 21:14.58 | ksk | sticky bit |
| 21:15.05 | pingfloyd | DeaDSouL: that's where sticky bit comes in |
| 21:15.10 | stoned | t |
| 21:15.35 | stoned | man chmod |
| 21:15.39 | ksk | !tell DeaDSouL about sticky bit |
| 21:15.41 | stoned | look for the t sticky bit |
| 21:15.43 | pingfloyd | it is the directory perms that determine whether you can delete files within, not the file perms |
| 21:16.01 | pingfloyd | the file write perms determines if you can modify the files |
| 21:16.06 | stoned | chmod +t /something |
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| 21:16.25 | pingfloyd | the exception to that behavior is the sticky bit |
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| 21:17.02 | DeaDSouL | thanks guys for the valuable information about 'sticky bit' |
| 21:17.22 | DeaDSouL | should I apply it to the folder that contain those files? |
| 21:17.39 | pingfloyd | DeaDSouL: if you want a good example of a directory with sticky bit set, look at /tmp |
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| 21:19.17 | debkad | I'm not able to change the time using both date and hwclock --localtime |
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| 21:19.28 | debkad | sudo hwclock --localtime --hctosys |
| 21:19.44 | pingfloyd | DeaDSouL: everyone can traverse and creates files and directories in /tmp, but they can't mess with each other's files and directories. |
| 21:20.15 | pingfloyd | DeaDSouL: unless of course permitted to by the directories/files within it |
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| 21:20.32 | DeaDSouL | pingfloyd: right :) |
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| 21:20.49 | DeaDSouL | thank you so much guys .. sticky bit was exactly what i needed :) |
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| 21:25.55 | debkad | the /etc/adjtime is set to local against what date said |
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| 21:28.17 | somiaj | debkad: I suggest just installing ntp (it install ntpd daemon) and let it keep your time synced. |
| 21:28.46 | somiaj | debkad: I also suggest using UTC time and adjusting it for your time zone, but this choice is more what ever you like better (and could be an issue if you dual boot to windows) |
| 21:28.48 | debkad | somiaj, yeah but i want to use the local time, why it insist to use utc |
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| 21:29.27 | debkad | somiaj, for that reason i use local as i have a windows system |
| 21:29.28 | somiaj | debkad: It just works nicer thta way when talking to computers around the world. All using the same time, and then adjust for the timezone when it is displayed to the user. |
| 21:29.47 | somiaj | debkad: correct, and you can use that, that just isn't the default (note you can tell windows to use utc time and adjust for the time zone if you want) |
| 21:30.09 | debkad | somiaj, i used ntp before, it was the same issue, always 1 hour in advance |
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| 21:30.52 | pingfloyd | debkad: look at what your /etc/init.d/rcS is set to |
| 21:31.03 | pingfloyd | whether it has UTC=no or yes |
| 21:31.32 | somiaj | I think you want to edit the default file, not the init script |
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| 21:31.45 | pingfloyd | somiaj: that is the default file |
| 21:31.47 | debkad | pingfloyd, there is a line exec /etc/init.d/rc S in that file |
| 21:32.17 | pingfloyd | debkad: if it say UTC=yes, it means debian expects your hardware clock is based on UTC time |
| 21:32.25 | pingfloyd | and acts accordingly |
| 21:33.08 | pingfloyd | debkad: that needs to match which way you have your hwclock set (the time you set in the bios). |
| 21:33.22 | somiaj | pingfloyd: /etc/default/rcS would be the default file, not the actual script |
| 21:33.31 | pingfloyd | somiaj: that's what I said |
| 21:33.46 | somiaj | though I think with systemd this may be different. I don't seem to have UTC set in /etc/default like back with sysv |
| 21:33.57 | debkad | there is no utc= in those files :/ |
| 21:34.12 | pingfloyd | default is based on UTC |
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| 21:35.03 | debkad | or i must reboot access the bios make 1 hour less ? |
| 21:35.37 | towo` | i would configure windows to use UTC |
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| 21:35.39 | somiaj | yea seems you need to change UTC to LOCAL in /etc/adjtime (though wonder what generates this) |
| 21:35.47 | towo` | then there is no problem anymore |
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| 21:36.13 | debkad | somiaj, that what surprise me, there is already LOCAL in that file |
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| 21:38.10 | aaro | debkad, you set the right local time with 'date' after chosing LOCAL in /etc/adjtime? |
| 21:38.28 | debkad | aaro, yes |
| 21:38.39 | debkad | sudo date +%T -s "22:39" ; sudo hwclock --systohc |
| 21:38.49 | somiaj | debkad: is your timezone set correctly. If you do have ntp installed it will set the time based on your timezone setting even if set to LOCAL. |
| 21:38.49 | debkad | this is the last command i tried |
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| 21:39.42 | aaro | debkad, and your time gets wrong after booting in Windows? |
| 21:39.49 | debkad | i will install ntp and see if that make any change |
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| 21:40.08 | debkad | aaro, it won't change in debian |
| 21:40.14 | debkad | it come back |
| 21:41.12 | aaro | debkad, you already have ntp installed maybe? |
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| 21:41.26 | debkad | aaro, i'm installing it right now |
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| 21:42.06 | debkad | ok it is installed and running: ntp 12525 0.0 0.4 7636 4228 ? Ssl 23:40 0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -g -u 121:130 |
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| 21:42.23 | debkad | time is still the same |
| 21:42.51 | dos1 | hi! anyone aware of what's the status of gtk3-based firefox in Debian? upstream already builds stable releases with gtk3, but debian still uses gtk2 |
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| 21:44.09 | aaro | debkad, and if you use the date command and avoid the hwclock one? |
| 21:44.56 | debkad | aaro, same thing happen |
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| 21:45.27 | debkad | it is may be something is using the date and don't let it change |
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| 21:46.11 | debkad | sept. 16 23:44:44 debian systemd[1]: Time has been changed |
| 21:46.26 | debkad | from journalctl but it still the same |
| 21:46.33 | aaro | debkad, what de are you using? |
| 21:46.43 | debkad | aaro, xfce |
| 21:47.41 | debkad | line before that message: sept. 16 22:44:00 debian systemd[1]: apt-daily.timer: Adding 11h 25min 26.649823s random time. |
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| 21:48.58 | debkad | this may be explain something: sept. 16 23:45:48 debian ntpd[12525]: kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x2041: Clock Unsynchronized |
| 21:49.39 | pingfloyd | debkad: okay, I found the crux. Systemd has indeed changed this (/etc/default/rcS is a sysv-ism as suspected). To set it's just a matter of running: timedatectl set-local-rtc 1 (or 0 if your RTC is in UTC). |
| 21:51.18 | debkad | pingfloyd, with 0 and one it still the same time |
| 21:51.34 | pingfloyd | debkad: also you can query what is currently in effect with: timedatectl | grep local |
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| 21:52.31 | debkad | RTC in local TZ: yes |
| 21:52.54 | debkad | if i do with 0 it say no |
| 21:53.01 | pingfloyd | debkad: really just run timedatectl all by itself if you want to see all the nitty gritty of the it all (TZ, DST, and RTC settings) |
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| 21:57.44 | debkad | thanks guys, i give up, i will reboot to bios |
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| 22:21.36 | debkad | changing time from bios didn't fix it, when i boot in debian it changed to +1 hour , i did boot on windows and same thing happen right now |
| 22:21.56 | mtcj | Recap the problem? |
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| 22:23.16 | debkad | mtcj, impossible to change the time or make it in the right value |
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| 22:23.44 | debkad | sept. 17 00:20:14 debian systemd[1]: Time has been changed |
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| 22:23.55 | debkad | by who? no idea |
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| 22:25.48 | mtcj | hwclock has no effect? |
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| 22:26.38 | pingfloyd | debkad: can you pastebin the output of: 'timedatectl' |
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| 22:28.12 | debkad | pingfloyd, http://ix.io/1nz7 |
| 22:28.46 | debkad | it must be RTC time: ven. 2016-09-16 23:26:32 |
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| 22:29.45 | al_nz1 | I have a linux based QNAP NAS here, that has a Raid1 array two disks, I can access the shares fine but I am a bit concerned the md0 is reported in fdisk as 0Mb and also the message that it doesnt contain a valid partition tabe? Should I be worried |
| 22:30.33 | pingfloyd | debkad: is CEST the right timezone? |
| 22:30.46 | pingfloyd | debkad: because that output looks like everything is set okay |
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| 22:30.50 | debkad | pingfloyd, no idea what it mean |
| 22:31.11 | pingfloyd | I'm showing 12:30 AM for CEST timezone and your UTC time is correct |
| 22:32.05 | debkad | pingfloyd, i think i must change Europe/Paris to africa/algeria or something but i'm not good to how or if it is correct |
| 22:32.07 | pingfloyd | the reason for the difference between local time and RTC of 1 hour is because of DST |
| 22:32.16 | pingfloyd | i.e, working as it should |
| 22:32.30 | pingfloyd | debkad: what timezone are you actually in? |
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| 22:32.55 | pingfloyd | CEST is Central European Summer Time |
| 22:33.13 | debkad | pingfloyd, i was always choosing Europe/Paris for all linux i used and never had that issue but may be debian use the exact area no idea |
| 22:33.26 | debkad | here it is gmt+1 |
| 22:33.50 | pingfloyd | it's probably CEST's daylight savings time being adjusted like it should that is screwing up |
| 22:34.02 | pingfloyd | debkad: what country are you in? |
| 22:34.14 | debkad | pingfloyd, Algeria |
| 22:34.39 | debkad | we have a difference with french in the summer by one hour difference |
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| 22:37.28 | pingfloyd | looks like you want to use CET instead |
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| 22:39.06 | pingfloyd | Algeria is one of the locations that doesn't switch over the CEST |
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| 22:45.02 | awal1 | debkad,is your debian system dualbooted with windows? |
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| 22:45.39 | debkad | awal1, yes |
| 22:45.57 | brotherBox | hi guys, lets say i run an LTS and would like to make a package via checkinstall from a more recent version of a package that is installed from an earlier version. is there a way to not let the new package superseed the old version, that is, have them coexist? |
| 22:46.10 | pingfloyd | it's the DST of CEST screwing you up. Problem is I don't see a setting for Africa/Algeria nor Africa/Tunisia. So if you can set to a TZ that is based on CET without DST, you're set. |
| 22:46.56 | pingfloyd | i.e., a timezone that stays on CET all year around and never switches over to CEST |
| 22:47.37 | awal1 | debkad, what about setting your rtc to utc instead of local? |
| 22:48.31 | debkad | awal1, i think that what ntp use? |
| 22:48.32 | awal1 | you will have a correct time possibly when in debian system, but (for sure) wrong under windows |
| 22:48.52 | awal1 | debkad, your paste says it's set to local |
| 22:49.04 | pingfloyd | or another way to put it, is your country stays at UTC+1 (CET) but never switches over to UTC+2 in summer like many other countries that use CET/CEST |
| 22:49.20 | awal1 | timedatectl set-local-rtc 0 |
| 22:49.40 | awal1 | 0 utc / 1 local |
| 22:49.56 | debkad | it still the same |
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| 22:50.14 | awal1 | probably a reboot is needed |
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| 22:50.21 | awal1 | i thinks so |
| 22:50.33 | debkad | ok i will reboot now |
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| 22:52.49 | debkad | awal1, still same issue |
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| 22:53.46 | debkad | i think i must give up |
| 22:53.59 | sphalerite | is there a way to get back an older version of a package? I've upgraded firejail (from backports) and been having some major issues with it. It doesn't have any important config or dependency relationships that would make a downgrade complicated, I just don't know where I can find the package, if at all. |
| 22:54.27 | pingfloyd | debkad: try this: timedatectl set-timezone Africa/Kinshasa |
| 22:54.38 | pingfloyd | debkad: see if that puts you back on UTC+1 like it should be |
| 22:55.29 | debkad | ah now it changed itself |
| 22:55.38 | pingfloyd | yeah, was as I suspected |
| 22:55.49 | debkad | pingfloyd, that give me: Failed to set time zone: Invalid time zone 'Africa/Kinshas' |
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| 22:56.04 | pingfloyd | you forgot the 'a' |
| 22:56.05 | awal1 | Kinshasa |
| 22:56.09 | pingfloyd | Africa/Kinshasa |
| 22:56.49 | debkad | date is -1 with it |
| 22:58.56 | awal1 | debkad, for undo the change made to your RTC and if you still want to use local, for avoid problems when usng windows, just run "timedatectl set-local-rtc 1" |
| 22:58.58 | debkad | i think changing from local to utc like said awal1 was the key |
| 22:59.39 | pingfloyd | debkad: what's output of 'timedatectl' show now |
| 22:59.44 | debkad | awal1, each time i boot into windows i must do that? |
| 23:00.05 | pingfloyd | debkad: it's always better to use UTC for the RTC if you can |
| 23:00.27 | debkad | pingfloyd, http://ix.io/1nzA |
| 23:00.32 | awal1 | debkad, thats another story (wrong time in windows using utc) |
| 23:00.37 | pingfloyd | the caveat is that windows can get pretty stupid with RTC being set to UTC |
| 23:02.01 | pingfloyd | debkad: isn't the time still wrong based on that recent paste? |
| 23:02.33 | pingfloyd | actually it looks ok |
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| 23:03.00 | debkad | pingfloyd, the time is ok but it is wrong as it use gmt+2 |
| 23:03.04 | pingfloyd | so what the real problem is, is that DST doesn't get ignored properly when RTC is set local |
| 23:03.16 | pingfloyd | which is kind of a known problem with timedatectl |
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| 23:04.27 | debkad | this site have the correct time https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/algeria/algiers |
| 23:04.46 | pingfloyd | the problem now is your UTC time is off by an hour |
| 23:04.58 | pingfloyd | Universal time: Fri 2016-09-16 23:04:33 UTC |
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| 23:06.02 | awal1 | debkad, check man timedatectl |
| 23:06.13 | BlockCubed | how do I install firefox on raspbian |
| 23:06.23 | awal1 | maybe be you find something related to dst |
| 23:06.29 | BlockCubed | sudo apt-get install firefox does not work |
| 23:07.03 | awal1 | raspbian is notdebian, you're in the wrong channel |
| 23:07.09 | debkad | pingfloyd, yeah you're right but the clock in the system is 00:xx |
| 23:07.25 | BlockCubed | I know |
| 23:07.42 | debkad | pingfloyd, all i need the correct time, in the desktop or conky |
| 23:07.43 | BlockCubed | nobody is anwersing in the rasbian channel unfortunately |
| 23:08.07 | debkad | !rasp |
| 23:08.12 | debkad | o_o |
| 23:09.30 | Senki | hey has anyone run debian on oracle virtualbox? |
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| 23:10.35 | awal1 | https://www.novell.com/support/kb/doc.php?id=3655154 |
| 23:10.44 | awal1 | debkad, ^ |
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| 23:12.04 | pingfloyd | debkad: try sudo timedatectl set-timezone Africa/Kinshas then sudo timedatectl set-time '2016-09-17 00:11:00' (adjust for accuracy). Then check again with just 'timedatectl' (no args to it). |
| 23:12.32 | awal1 | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
| 23:12.36 | pingfloyd | debkad: correction: try sudo timedatectl set-timezone Africa/Kinshasa then sudo timedatectl set-time '2016-09-17 00:11:00' (adjust for accuracy). Then check again with just 'timedatectl' (no args to it). |
| 23:13.21 | pingfloyd | if you're dual boot with windows, you'll want to make sure to untick it's setting for using daylight savings time |
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| 23:14.22 | pingfloyd | as far as NTP, with a dual boot, I would recommend you only have one of the OSes (the one you use most) utilize it. |
| 23:14.24 | debkad | pingfloyd, it is back to 23:14 |
| 23:14.50 | pingfloyd | debkad: can you paste 'timedatectl' now |
| 23:15.10 | debkad | pingfloyd, http://ix.io/1nzH |
| 23:15.32 | pingfloyd | that's because your UTC is still off by an hour |
| 23:15.51 | debkad | http://ix.io/1nzT |
| 23:15.58 | pingfloyd | fix that UTC to show 23:xx and you should be good |
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| 23:18.51 | pingfloyd | "Universal time: sam. 2016-09-17 22:15:52 UTC", it's really Universal time: Fri 2016-09-16 23:18:17 UTC |
| 23:19.18 | pingfloyd | (taking into account lapsed time between checking and posting). |
| 23:19.49 | pingfloyd | once you get it close though, then you can use NTP to keep it precise |
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| 23:23.02 | Senki | hey what's the commands for install software? |
| 23:23.07 | Senki | get-apt install? I'm having one of those days |
| 23:23.30 | Senki | bah |
| 23:24.25 | pingfloyd | apt-get install |
| 23:25.06 | Senki | ah, thank you\ |
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| 23:26.20 | debkad | there is aptitude too |
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| 23:36.19 | debkad | i got my lirc not working , it worked when login but after some minutes it stop to respond, i guessed it is my remote or the my device ( serial ) but when booting into windows it worked, that happen this day |
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| 23:47.53 | debkad | will reboot may be the date time caused lirc to stop |
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