| 00:01.06 | *** join/#debian namyzarc (~namyzarc@2601:989:4200:331:3552:33f1:613a:441d) |
| 00:03.15 | *** join/#debian _Vi (~vi@2001:470:7bd6:1000::2) |
| 00:03.25 | *** join/#debian alvesadrian (~adrian@190.19.68.202) |
| 00:04.17 | *** part/#debian BlockCubed (~BlockCube@104.240.22.36) |
| 00:05.03 | *** join/#debian Blueer (Blueer@5.146.78.180) |
| 00:07.14 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 00:08.28 | *** join/#debian crazyadm (~bao@115.204.91.39) |
| 00:10.39 | *** join/#debian th0r (~pi@tx-184-7-56-237.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 00:10.46 | *** join/#debian dreamon__ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 00:13.37 | *** join/#debian SpaceDanceCJ (~Sasha@178.121.64.65) |
| 00:14.42 | *** join/#debian noseses (~hil@197.190.38.39) |
| 00:15.16 | *** join/#debian cypherman (~santiago@179.26.227.218) |
| 00:15.58 | *** join/#debian p3rs3us (~jduro@86.184.148.55) |
| 00:16.25 | noseses | hello. I'm trying to install debian on my laptop. I have downloaded the non-free iso but during hardware detection it still indicates missing drivers. I'm using a netinstall iso. How do I solve this? |
| 00:17.08 | *** join/#debian acidfu_ (~acidfoo@24-212-247-227.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 00:17.51 | *** join/#debian peterrooney (~peter@S0106001ff341c9a8.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 00:20.51 | awal1 | noseses, wifi? |
| 00:20.59 | noseses | yup |
| 00:22.18 | awal1 | noseses, you may want to paste the output of lspci -nn | grep -i net ? |
| 00:24.15 | noseses | awal1, that might be a bit of a challenge cos I've booted into windows to seek help. I just have one question though, shouldn't the firmware be automatically loaded since it's on the install medium? |
| 00:24.17 | *** join/#debian murfjr (~douseiais@185.21.216.185) |
| 00:24.40 | *** join/#debian murfjr (~douseiais@185.21.216.185) |
| 00:25.10 | awal1 | noseses, I just wanted to know which driver is it exactly and check if it supported by jessie |
| 00:25.53 | awal1 | your machine/wifi card may be tooo recent, produced after jessie freeze |
| 00:26.27 | noseses | awal1, sorry. I guess I should have included that. it's requesting for iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode specifically. |
| 00:26.31 | awal1 | if it's the case, the driver may not be available in the stable unofficial cd image |
| 00:26.38 | noseses | oh i see |
| 00:26.47 | *** join/#debian prettyinmauve (~fridaylov@184.75.221.59) |
| 00:26.55 | noseses | I hadn't considered that. Thanks for the info |
| 00:27.02 | *** join/#debian gonz0 (~gonz0@r60-pe-guarauninha.ibys.com.br) |
| 00:27.06 | prettyinmauve | https://twitter.com/SchwarzeSonne7/status/776927662224867328/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw |
| 00:27.56 | themill | noseses: firmware-iwlwifi has that firmware |
| 00:27.57 | *** join/#debian learjet60xr (~learjet60@50-88-60-50.res.bhn.net) |
| 00:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1641] by debhelper |
| 00:28.10 | *** mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ |
| 00:28.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@184.75.221.59] by themill |
| 00:28.13 | *** kick/#debian [prettyinmauve!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill] by themill (On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.) |
| 00:28.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill |
| 00:28.19 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 00:29.06 | *** join/#debian iflema (~ian@2001:8003:204c:c100:5627:1eff:fe6a:89ab) |
| 00:30.41 | *** part/#debian Pegasus_RPG (~Icedove@47.142.200.28) |
| 00:31.07 | awal1 | noseses, firmware-iwlwifi v. 043 supports that firmware as you have been told; the unofficial jessie installer should include it |
| 00:31.28 | awal1 | hm, he left yet :D |
| 00:33.02 | *** join/#debian alex1a (~alex1a@a81-84-38-221.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 00:33.25 | *** join/#debian beisner (~beisner@104.49.224.165) |
| 00:34.00 | *** join/#debian acidfu_ (~acidfoo@24-212-247-227.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 00:38.51 | *** join/#debian Shentino (~Shentino@gentoo/contributor/shentino) |
| 00:40.15 | *** join/#debian Shentino (~Shentino@gentoo/contributor/shentino) |
| 00:41.39 | *** join/#debian ProfessorKaos64 (~mikeyd@216.49.14.203.res-cmts.pnt.ptd.net) |
| 00:44.12 | *** join/#debian electro33 (uid613@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-akmulcnsekyfekxd) |
| 00:44.13 | *** join/#debian Ticho (~Ticho@unaffiliated/ticho) |
| 00:52.49 | *** join/#debian admincomplex (~admincomp@unaffiliated/admincomplex) |
| 00:54.16 | *** join/#debian pixdamix (~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix) |
| 00:55.58 | *** join/#debian BWMerlin (~Thunderbi@142.45.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 00:56.47 | *** join/#debian acidfu_ (~acidfoo@24-212-247-227.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 00:58.53 | debkad | :) |
| 01:06.12 | *** join/#debian mightyBroccoli (~nico@magicbroccoli.de) |
| 01:09.16 | *** join/#debian ShapeShifter499 (~ShapeShif@unaffiliated/shapeshifter499) |
| 01:10.36 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 01:10.40 | *** join/#debian un214 (~un214@104.220.56.173) |
| 01:11.11 | *** join/#debian BenderRodriguez (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) |
| 01:12.50 | *** join/#debian _ADN_ (~ADN@host86-185-173-60.range86-185.btcentralplus.com) |
| 01:13.53 | *** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@197.237.134.7) |
| 01:14.23 | *** join/#debian [ADN] (~ADN@86.185.173.60) |
| 01:18.10 | *** join/#debian kooldavi (~kooldavi@p54BF5804.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:21.47 | *** join/#debian Joufflu (~Joufflu@2600:8807:c180:2d4:8921:7cf6:2b69:fdc4) |
| 01:22.18 | *** join/#debian xpkill23 (~xpkill23@port-92-203-46-130.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 01:23.03 | *** join/#debian BackEndCoder (~steve@mail.dontplay.co.uk) |
| 01:24.34 | *** join/#debian bao (~bao@115.204.91.39) |
| 01:25.35 | *** join/#debian OS-22864 (~OS-22864@cpe-76-173-123-109.hawaii.res.rr.com) |
| 01:25.54 | debkad | test |
| 01:26.50 | *** part/#debian mightyBroccoli (~nico@magicbroccoli.de) |
| 01:27.04 | *** join/#debian Strife89 (~quassel@adsl-98-80-184-165.mcn.bellsouth.net) |
| 01:27.35 | *** join/#debian [ADN] (~ADN@host86-185-173-60.range86-185.btcentralplus.com) |
| 01:29.31 | *** join/#debian [ADN] (~ADN@host86-185-173-60.range86-185.btcentralplus.com) |
| 01:31.22 | *** join/#debian pipeep (~pipeep@2605:6400:10:a15d:ca7:ea75:b12d:dead) |
| 01:33.59 | *** join/#debian rawrawrer (~rawrawrer@c58-111-144-57.thorn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 01:40.12 | *** join/#debian pingfloyd (~pingfloyd@unaffiliated/pingfloyd) |
| 01:44.05 | *** join/#debian surfist (~surfist@122.200.0.2) |
| 01:46.36 | *** join/#debian Senki (~Senki@199.119.235.130) |
| 01:48.00 | *** join/#debian uNmowed (~Kaede@cli-nw.71.184.helios-nw.ru) |
| 01:50.44 | *** join/#debian wols_ (~klingens@p5B21C7DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:51.52 | *** join/#debian sidmo_ (~sidmo@p5489C13A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:52.40 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 01:53.08 | *** join/#debian paul__759 (~paul@151.56.155.86) |
| 01:58.48 | *** join/#debian morphis__ (~morphis@pD9ED7F94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:59.45 | *** join/#debian Mahe (~mahe@p54B46CDE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:02.36 | *** join/#debian fstd_ (~fstd@unaffiliated/fisted) |
| 02:02.57 | *** join/#debian krrishg (~krrish@103.235.198.50) |
| 02:05.50 | *** join/#debian prettyinfire (~macey@184.75.221.43) |
| 02:05.51 | *** join/#debian iflema (~ian@2001:8003:204c:c100:5627:1eff:fe6a:89ab) |
| 02:06.16 | *** join/#debian prettyinfire (~macey@184.75.221.43) |
| 02:06.35 | *** join/#debian bigterd (~askme@cm-dhcp-173-46-230-41.bloombroadband.com) |
| 02:06.51 | *** join/#debian Senki2 (~Senki@199.119.235.130) |
| 02:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1634] by debhelper |
| 02:10.00 | *** join/#debian blu__ (~bluenemo@unaffiliated/bluenemo) |
| 02:13.41 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 02:14.21 | *** join/#debian In33dt0kn0w (uid167702@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wpgqinpimvkrcike) |
| 02:15.04 | *** join/#debian brokency1le (~brokencyc@114.111.167.183) |
| 02:15.56 | *** join/#debian chachasmooth (~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth) |
| 02:16.05 | *** join/#debian cyborg-one (~cyborg-on@62.16.23.33) |
| 02:17.13 | *** join/#debian The_Schmidt (~The_Schmi@207-192-200-73.lbbkcmtk04.res.dyn.suddenlink.net) |
| 02:17.56 | The_Schmidt | what's the best way to see the list of apps installed after the initial system install? |
| 02:18.45 | The_Schmidt | I'm open to less than best ways also |
| 02:20.04 | *** join/#debian nzozr (~nzozr@ipbcc2bb14.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 02:22.17 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (chris@2001:470:4b:38f:a634:d9ff:feed:eb30) |
| 02:22.24 | *** join/#debian nickenchuggets (~nicken@unaffiliated/zeromodulus) |
| 02:22.31 | bazhang | The_Schmidt, which kind of install |
| 02:22.40 | bazhang | net install or something else |
| 02:22.48 | ryouma | The_Schmidt: there are various ways discussed online and no consensus that i found. here is one that i use: cat /var/log/installer/status | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u |
| 02:24.15 | krrishg | The_Schmidt: apt list --installed |
| 02:27.13 | The_Schmidt | ryouma: there is no status file inside my installer directory |
| 02:27.40 | *** join/#debian angerman (~m@118.200.49.87) |
| 02:27.43 | The_Schmidt | krrishg: that doesn't seem to work |
| 02:27.53 | *** join/#debian Mr_Queue (~Mr_Queue@ns527918.ip-158-69-242.net) |
| 02:30.18 | The_Schmidt | oh nvm was looking from the user shell |
| 02:31.06 | ryouma | krrishg: is that initially installed or currently installed? |
| 02:31.09 | ryouma | The_Schmidt: yeah, dunno |
| 02:32.57 | ryouma | i did a pretty thorough investigation of apt-clone and various listing thingies and trying to figure out re-creating an installation with a reinstallation and basically it's all a mess no matter what you do. although i don't recall the details. |
| 02:32.59 | krrishg | ryouma: it displays everything installed |
| 02:33.03 | The_Schmidt | ok ya those both show everything, but they don't limit it to manually installed |
| 02:33.15 | *** join/#debian GTAXL (~gtaxlnetw@unaffiliated/gtaxl) |
| 02:33.17 | *** join/#debian wishaa (~wish@46.109-247-22.customer.lyse.net) |
| 02:33.19 | *** join/#debian hypermist (~lick.my@192.52.166.127) |
| 02:33.32 | The_Schmidt | oh now i c |
| 02:34.06 | ryouma | you could try using aptitude to list all manually installed and subtract those from all packages, taking care to deal with automatically installed appropriately, but i don't know if it distinguishes manually from initially |
| 02:34.38 | ryouma | aptitude has powerful search semantics otherwise though |
| 02:35.59 | TomTomTo1 | aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?automatic))' |
| 02:36.08 | TomTomTo1 | but it lists a few too much for me i think. |
| 02:36.14 | ryouma | e.g. aptitude -F '%p' search '!?automatic ?installed' | sed "s/ *$//" | sort -u |
| 02:37.05 | *** join/#debian flugger (~flugger@46.166.190.141) |
| 02:37.08 | jmcnaught | in the above aptitude searches you can narrow it down a bit by excluding priorities important, required, standard (!~prequired for example) |
| 02:37.32 | jmcnaught | or there are the apt and dpkg logs |
| 02:38.25 | krrishg | automatic installed can be listed as $apt list --installed|grep automatic |
| 02:39.57 | The_Schmidt | apt list won't let me grep the result, what gives? |
| 02:42.22 | *** join/#debian blockcubed (~ghost@104.240.22.36) |
| 02:42.31 | krrishg | The_Schmidt: but i did that |
| 02:43.00 | *** join/#debian RTFM[away] (~RTFMaway]@unaffiliated/rtfmaway/x-3892344) |
| 02:43.07 | *** join/#debian binaryc (~binaryc@unaffiliated/binaryc) |
| 02:44.03 | *** join/#debian laidback_01 (~jax@70.33.20.90) |
| 02:46.35 | *** join/#debian th0r (~pi@tx-184-7-56-237.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 02:47.09 | blockcubed | where is my USB folder located |
| 02:47.19 | blockcubed | I tried /dev |
| 02:47.39 | th0r | blockcubed, try /media/<username> |
| 02:47.40 | blockcubed | lsusb is not working |
| 02:47.44 | blockcubed | thank you |
| 02:48.19 | The_Schmidt | grep manual doesn't work, but grep -v automatic does |
| 02:48.29 | The_Schmidt | i don't get it |
| 02:48.43 | blockcubed | sorry it was not in there |
| 02:48.51 | blockcubed | its an android device |
| 02:48.53 | Mr_Queue | This has pretty much nothing to do with Debian. |
| 02:48.53 | The_Schmidt | ok but wait, I didn't install all of these |
| 02:49.04 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 02:49.15 | th0r | blockcubed, then what are you doing on in a debian room? |
| 02:49.19 | Mr_Queue | My football game isn't on channel 11, what should I do? |
| 02:49.23 | blockcubed | ... |
| 02:49.26 | blockcubed | what are you talking about |
| 02:49.34 | blockcubed | I am trying to find the location of the usb on my debain |
| 02:49.40 | blockcubed | jessi distro |
| 02:49.45 | *** join/#debian nzozr (~nzozr@ipbcc2bb14.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 02:49.47 | The_Schmidt | Mr_Queue: turn off the tv |
| 02:49.49 | blockcubed | and trying to figure out why lsusb is not working |
| 02:49.50 | th0r | blockcubed, you just said it is an android device |
| 02:49.54 | blockcubed | how is that not a debian question |
| 02:50.14 | th0r | blockcubed, are you trying to plug an android device into a linux machine? |
| 02:50.26 | blockcubed | I am trying to list usb devices |
| 02:50.45 | The_Schmidt | try lsblk |
| 02:50.51 | *** join/#debian MoonkYang (~moonkyang@de.bbido.com.yang.red) |
| 02:50.51 | *** join/#debian ShapeShifter499 (~ShapeShif@unaffiliated/shapeshifter499) |
| 02:51.11 | blockcubed | thank you The_Schmidt |
| 02:51.25 | The_Schmidt | if it shows up as a drive it would be there |
| 02:52.16 | *** join/#debian qbek (~qbek@unaffiliated/qbek) |
| 02:56.37 | *** join/#debian iamawesome (~shibly@unaffiliated/shibly) |
| 02:57.04 | iamawesome | How can i check file.h is? |
| 02:57.21 | iamawesome | I've installed libv8-3.14.5 |
| 02:57.32 | Mr_Queue | Ask your neighbor, he'll know what it is. |
| 02:57.37 | iamawesome | I want to find include/v8.h |
| 02:57.52 | iamawesome | And this: include/libplatform/libplatform.h |
| 02:58.26 | *** join/#debian Ad1_RN (~Adrian@public-gprs386002.centertel.pl) |
| 02:58.30 | *** part/#debian Mr_Queue (~Mr_Queue@ns527918.ip-158-69-242.net) |
| 02:58.32 | TomTomTo1 | iamawesome: check if libv8-3.14-dev is what you need. |
| 02:59.50 | *** join/#debian hexagoxel (~hexagoxel@p200300798F119100021E33FFFE2231E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:59.51 | *** join/#debian binaryc (~binaryc@unaffiliated/binaryc) |
| 03:02.45 | iamawesome | Installed this: libv8-dev |
| 03:03.01 | iamawesome | fatal error: include/libplatform/libplatform.h: No such file or directory |
| 03:03.10 | iamawesome | g++ hello_world.cpp -o hello_world -Wl,-lrt -ldl -pthread -std=c++0x |
| 03:04.00 | surfist | am wondering how to tell which *program* initiates arp requests |
| 03:04.05 | surfist | on a lan |
| 03:04.39 | *** join/#debian Zvmdyv (~Zvmdyv@unaffiliated/zvmdyv) |
| 03:06.29 | *** join/#debian Al3xG0 (~unix@200-140-66-66.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 03:06.30 | *** join/#debian Al3xG0 (~unix@unaffiliated/al3xg0) |
| 03:06.46 | *** join/#debian flugger (~flugger@109.201.154.245) |
| 03:11.07 | *** join/#debian mns (~mns@c-24-63-161-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 03:20.48 | *** join/#debian skney (skney@hilla.kapsi.fi) |
| 03:22.32 | *** join/#debian badiane (~badiane@cpe-24-193-80-159.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 03:26.19 | *** join/#debian mrrhq (~mrrhq@2602:b8:64c7:2200:227:10ff:fe25:d07c) |
| 03:27.33 | *** join/#debian wonderworld (~ww@ip-176-198-123-154.hsi05.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 03:33.09 | *** join/#debian Hunterkll (~Hunterkll@2001:470:8b06:100:b440:af39:4a5e:8b4a) |
| 03:34.01 | *** join/#debian krrishg (~krrish@103.235.198.50) |
| 03:34.55 | *** join/#debian jmc__ (~sam@c-24-21-106-131.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 03:35.04 | *** part/#debian iamawesome (~shibly@unaffiliated/shibly) |
| 03:35.41 | *** join/#debian kschreyack (~klaus@vpn.myexpertise.net) |
| 03:38.10 | *** join/#debian asc232 (~Keith@179.38.232.249) |
| 03:38.22 | peterrooney | surfist: the most obvious answer would be the network card driver |
| 03:38.57 | *** join/#debian RamPage_ (~R@4dae81c7.ftth.telfortglasvezel.nl) |
| 03:40.04 | *** join/#debian dmr (~dmr@fsf/member/dmr) |
| 03:41.53 | *** join/#debian pipeep (~pipeep@2605:6400:10:a15d:ca7:ea75:b12d:dead) |
| 03:42.10 | *** join/#debian hk238 (~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238) |
| 03:43.09 | *** join/#debian RamPage (~R@unaffiliated/mastergrab) |
| 03:44.13 | *** join/#debian d0nn1e (~d0nn1e@cpe-75-183-8-113.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 03:46.20 | The_Schmidt | surfist: try this: man -k arp |
| 03:46.39 | *** join/#debian Rusty1_ (~kanotix@cpe-24-194-200-69.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 03:48.33 | surfist | -k ? |
| 03:49.19 | The_Schmidt | surfist: have you ever done this?: man man |
| 03:49.23 | surfist | interesting output |
| 03:49.30 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-93-129-109.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 03:49.48 | surfist | keywords |
| 03:49.50 | surfist | I see |
| 03:50.15 | The_Schmidt | see also combinations of: help, info, man, and --help |
| 03:50.18 | surfist | well.. I used arp tcpdump netstat ... saw the traffic and found the source |
| 03:50.34 | surfist | yeah |
| 03:50.56 | surfist | arp had a FAILED entry that would not go away |
| 03:51.08 | surfist | tcpdump showed me the box making the requests |
| 03:51.39 | surfist | so I started grepping config files in /etc |
| 03:52.07 | surfist | but never did see any actual console output of originators |
| 03:52.28 | surfist | which process started the arp request |
| 03:53.30 | *** join/#debian BlueByte_ (~walther@dslb-094-218-035-216.094.218.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 03:54.18 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.14.95) |
| 03:54.48 | *** join/#debian Nem-47 (~Nem-47@unaffiliated/nem-47) |
| 03:55.20 | *** part/#debian Nem-47 (~Nem-47@unaffiliated/nem-47) |
| 03:56.40 | The_Schmidt | you might want to use wireshark for this |
| 03:57.29 | surfist | hrmm interesting |
| 03:58.06 | surfist | for example tcpdump -n arp shows arp requests but not which program wants them |
| 03:58.09 | surfist | etc etc |
| 03:58.49 | *** join/#debian M4L3 (~M4L3@pool-72-95-13-90.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 03:58.51 | surfist | netstat is of no use because no ip is matched to the mac |
| 03:59.05 | The_Schmidt | surfist: have you looked at: sudo lsof -ni |
| 03:59.16 | surfist | not so far |
| 04:01.38 | The_Schmidt | also: netstat -ntp |
| 04:01.48 | The_Schmidt | use these together and i'm sure you'll find it |
| 04:02.11 | surfist | I can test using 'ping' and see if that program name comes up |
| 04:02.35 | The_Schmidt | put those in a loop |
| 04:03.38 | surfist | netstat has -c |
| 04:05.47 | surfist | lsof -ni -r1 |
| 04:06.01 | surfist | might be getting somewhre |
| 04:06.03 | *** join/#debian evade (~evade@c-73-65-238-158.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 04:06.11 | *** join/#debian akash__ (uid150251@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wzrdaxqodojuelva) |
| 04:06.26 | *** join/#debian matrixskp (~matrixskp@218-101-99-61.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 04:06.53 | The_Schmidt | doesn't the arp request come from your router? |
| 04:08.20 | *** join/#debian miaoMish (~miaoMish@147.bhs.ovh.abcd.network) |
| 04:08.35 | miaoMish | so... tell me about unix sockets plz |
| 04:09.10 | miaoMish | how do i use a unix socket to replace, for example, a TCP listening port on localhost? |
| 04:09.22 | miaoMish | like with openssh or tor |
| 04:10.24 | surfist | The_Schmidt it was coming from a gateway machine |
| 04:10.36 | The_Schmidt | throws a dropbear at miaoMish |
| 04:10.41 | surfist | but pings come from whichever machine makes them for testing anyhow |
| 04:11.37 | surfist | other than that there is still arp traffic via tcpdump -n arp |
| 04:11.55 | *** join/#debian SpacyTime (JeDa@unaffiliated/jeda) |
| 04:12.39 | *** join/#debian michaelni (~michael@213-47-41-20.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) |
| 04:13.56 | *** join/#debian Daniel0 (~admin@host81-157-244-235.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) |
| 04:14.42 | *** join/#debian fread (48be08f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.72.190.8.246) |
| 04:15.26 | miaoMish | exit |
| 04:16.09 | The_Schmidt | surfist: read here http://serverfault.com/questions/266547/how-to-find-the-process-which-causes-the-arp-request#266554 |
| 04:16.57 | fread | Is make the only way the install the free pascal compiler in Debian? |
| 04:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1628] by debhelper |
| 04:19.23 | *** join/#debian zerooneone (~zerooneon@24.86.79.244) |
| 04:21.02 | zerooneone | what are the current risks of running a production server on squeeze? |
| 04:21.37 | jmcnaught | ,v fp-compiler |
| 04:21.38 | judd | Package: fp-compiler on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.6.0-9; wheezy-backports: 2.6.4+dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.6.4+dfsg-4; stretch: 3.0.0+dfsg-8; sid: 3.0.0+dfsg-9 |
| 04:21.38 | *** join/#debian tito__ (~tito@149.64-138-234-net.sccoast.net) |
| 04:21.52 | *** join/#debian makerman (~makerman@2602:306:36c6:76c0:55d2:a4d:4567:2074) |
| 04:22.48 | somiaj | zerooneone: there are known exploits found in squeeze since squeeze-lts, though unsure what remote ones there are. |
| 04:22.51 | *** join/#debian sdollins (~sdollins@2600:3c00:e000:7f::2) |
| 04:22.57 | pingfloyd | zerooneone: less security and more bugs |
| 04:23.40 | jmcnaught | zerooneone: at the very least any exploits discovered since february are not fixed in squeeze |
| 04:24.25 | zerooneone | somiaj: i've tried to find current exploits for apache, and other network facing servers i'm running but have found nothing significant |
| 04:24.36 | pingfloyd | I definitely would steer clear of anything that no longer has security updates. Security is a never ending moving target. |
| 04:24.52 | *** join/#debian Riyria (~Riyria@machine77.Level3.com) |
| 04:25.38 | pingfloyd | zerooneone: why do you want to run squeeze? |
| 04:25.49 | AlwaysHigh | should i just stick with mysql db for python? |
| 04:26.05 | AlwaysHigh | wrong room |
| 04:26.16 | pingfloyd | AlwaysHigh: why not go mariadb instead? |
| 04:26.37 | zerooneone | i know it's a risk, but I'm running xen and I'm not sure how to updated the host/guests |
| 04:27.18 | zerooneone | pingfloyd: squeeze was just fine a few short years ago... |
| 04:27.25 | surfist | The_Schmidt somewhat closer... still kinda bruteforce it seems |
| 04:27.32 | pingfloyd | zerooneone: it no longer has security updates |
| 04:27.43 | *** join/#debian Zzeiss (~wsy@dsl092-078-109.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 04:28.02 | somiaj | zerooneone: there is an upgrade path you could try in a test vm to wheezy-lts if you wanted see how things upgrade. |
| 04:28.12 | somiaj | !tell zerooneone about squeeze->wheezy |
| 04:28.35 | jmcnaught | apache didn't change much from squeeze to wheezy |
| 04:28.40 | somiaj | zerooneone: the amount of risk you have to continue to run squeeze is hard to quantify. There is just risk and the amount depends on what you are doing wiht it. |
| 04:28.57 | zerooneone | i know. i'm planning a fresh install of jessie, but it has to wait a few months |
| 04:29.17 | pingfloyd | I'd make the fresh install a plan B |
| 04:29.26 | somiaj | you have another year (or maybe 2) of wheezy-lts support. |
| 04:29.36 | pingfloyd | just back up everything important before upgrade (which should be done anyway). |
| 04:29.55 | makerman | anyone try running debian on a dell latitude 3350? |
| 04:30.00 | makerman | that cheap laptop on ebay for 200 bucks |
| 04:30.25 | zerooneone | i also considered putting squeeze plus xen on my laptop with the guests to try an upgrad to wheezy. ultimately i want a fresh install of jessie |
| 04:30.39 | fread | you need at least a i7 to run debian |
| 04:30.46 | somiaj | makerman: I've ran debian on a few different dells. I think it will be just fine, but if you are coruious. I'd check out what gpu, and audio card it has along with any other device on it you know you want to use. |
| 04:31.05 | pingfloyd | fread: what?! |
| 04:31.41 | somiaj | makerman: wifi chipset is another one to check out |
| 04:32.04 | zerooneone | pingfloyd: yes i always backup daily |
| 04:32.10 | *** join/#debian matrixskp (~matrixskp@218-101-99-61.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 04:32.18 | somiaj | zerooneone: keep your data backedup and a eye on the servers. Though I would upgrade sonner rather than later. |
| 04:33.13 | fread | backing up data is easy with rsync |
| 04:33.56 | makerman | http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201508-19021/ |
| 04:34.26 | zerooneone | somiaj: i agree, it's not keeping me up at night yet, but i wish there was a simple way to keep up with vulns |
| 04:34.33 | makerman | audio - broadwell, mouse - alps, wireless - intel 7265 |
| 04:34.45 | *** join/#debian miaoMish (~miaoMish@179.43.151.227) |
| 04:34.53 | makerman | bought the laptop because it was so dirt cheap and look like a good laptop to take anywhere |
| 04:35.02 | makerman | wanted to slap debian on it |
| 04:35.25 | somiaj | makerman: if it passes the ubuntu certification it will most likely also work on debian. |
| 04:35.34 | makerman | figured as much |
| 04:35.48 | *** join/#debian rihbyne (~rihbyne@27.0.52.109) |
| 04:35.59 | miaoMish | sorry my connection died. did anyone respond to my questions regarding Unix sockets to replace localhost TCP connections? |
| 04:36.02 | makerman | i prefer arch really.. but ... use debian / ubuntu for work.. so i like to keep it consistent |
| 04:36.23 | zerooneone | i'm running postfix, proftpd, sshd, apache2 w php, webmin (but i just shut that down) |
| 04:36.37 | rihbyne | makerman: you running debian sid as your desktop ? |
| 04:37.06 | somiaj | makerman: hardware is usually distro independent (it is hte same linux kernel), though newer hardware may not be as well supported out of the box in debian with out say backported kernel/drivers |
| 04:37.51 | pingfloyd | worse comes to worse, there's always kernel.org |
| 04:38.28 | zerooneone | somiaj: so how would i go about updating with xen? updated the host first and then the guests? or all at the same time? |
| 04:38.40 | makerman | rihbyne, debian mostly for servers |
| 04:38.57 | makerman | ubuntu for desktops |
| 04:39.32 | pingfloyd | !sns |
| 04:39.32 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 04:39.58 | makerman | lol |
| 04:40.01 | makerman | tahts funny |
| 04:40.19 | makerman | almost a sfunny as FAS |
| 04:41.26 | rihbyne | that msg is for whom? |
| 04:41.36 | makerman | whoever posted sns |
| 04:41.40 | makerman | pingfloyd |
| 04:41.41 | makerman | lol |
| 04:42.00 | fread | !fas |
| 04:43.22 | makerman | fread, dont think youll find that one |
| 04:43.32 | makerman | FAS = Foreign Accent Syndrome |
| 04:43.37 | makerman | one day you wake up with an accent |
| 04:43.38 | makerman | lol |
| 04:43.52 | makerman | you could be pure u.s.a. cracker |
| 04:44.04 | makerman | and stalk speaking with an africa accent |
| 04:44.50 | *** join/#debian aaro (~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147) |
| 04:46.30 | The_Schmidt | surfist: did you have dnsmasq running when you checked: sudo lsof -ni |
| 04:46.40 | *** join/#debian donofrio (~donofrio@host-232.subnet-17.med.umich.edu) |
| 04:47.54 | The_Schmidt | surfist: it was the only thing I had running besides that has anything about ARP in its man page |
| 04:48.12 | *** join/#debian saul (~hubert@190.124.36.38) |
| 04:48.42 | *** join/#debian rosten (~rosten@cpe-45-48-9-161.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 04:48.56 | *** join/#debian aaro1 (~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147) |
| 04:49.18 | iKarith | ...so is Calligra basically OpenOffice but for KDE? :) |
| 04:52.09 | makerman | curious - anyone use any task switch apps in debian at the cli? |
| 04:52.24 | makerman | so if i wanted to just have this laptop running cli only no ui... keep it super clean and light weight.. |
| 04:52.37 | somiaj | what do you mean by task switch apps? |
| 04:52.42 | makerman | well.. |
| 04:52.52 | fread | How do you upgrade to linux |
| 04:52.55 | makerman | lets say i wanted to have nano option twice |
| 04:53.03 | makerman | id like to switch between to running nanos |
| 04:53.06 | makerman | but at cli only |
| 04:53.07 | makerman | no ui |
| 04:53.14 | makerman | ui as in gnome or whatever |
| 04:53.23 | *** join/#debian SpacyTime (JeDa@unaffiliated/jeda) |
| 04:53.27 | skney | like tmux or something? |
| 04:53.38 | somiaj | so screen or tmux. |
| 04:53.55 | surfist | The_Schmidt I had bind9 running |
| 04:54.00 | surfist | have |
| 04:54.03 | makerman | yeah i think so |
| 04:54.06 | makerman | just read up on tmux |
| 04:54.18 | makerman | just to be able to switch between things at the cli |
| 04:54.32 | surfist | The_Schmidt I found and fixed the original problem by guessing |
| 04:54.43 | *** join/#debian learjet60xr (~learjet60@50-88-60-50.res.bhn.net) |
| 04:54.53 | surfist | the fun now is doing it faster and accurately |
| 04:54.55 | *** join/#debian laidback_01 (~jax@block-216.211.176.211.montanasat.net) |
| 04:56.10 | *** join/#debian saul (~hubert@190.124.36.38) |
| 04:57.13 | *** join/#debian Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@p5DD7B420.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:57.39 | iKarith | makerman: I use tmux and xfce to keep my machines light and snappy, including my Core i7-3770 :D |
| 04:57.56 | makerman | will check that out |
| 04:58.07 | *** join/#debian AlexLikeRock (~AlexLikeR@unaffiliated/alexlikerock) |
| 04:58.09 | makerman | contemplating the ui on this laptop |
| 04:58.12 | makerman | to have or not have |
| 04:58.17 | makerman | its a cheap laptop but looks solid |
| 04:58.25 | makerman | but not TOP of the line |
| 04:58.30 | makerman | plus its for tinkering |
| 04:58.36 | somiaj | depends on the use. debian offices numerious light weight window managers you can use to build a light weight setup |
| 04:58.40 | iKarith | makerman: scales more or less decently between Raspberry Pi 2 and the i7. |
| 04:58.42 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
| 04:58.56 | fread | kde and cinnamon are the best looking DE |
| 04:58.57 | AlexLikeRock | from mexico |
| 04:59.04 | iKarith | Obviously web browsing on the Pi or my Atom D410 are ... lackking. ;) |
| 04:59.32 | iKarith | makerman: are you familiar with GNU screen at all? |
| 04:59.49 | makerman | nope |
| 05:00.15 | iKarith | makerman: I still recommend using the screen keybindings for tmux. |
| 05:00.20 | makerman | would prefer all logged in on one account though |
| 05:00.20 | AlexLikeRock | GNU RULES !!! |
| 05:00.26 | iKarith | they don't map one to one. |
| 05:00.46 | iKarith | AlexLikeRock: GNU SCREEN SUCKS !!! ;) But tmux is pretty neat. |
| 05:02.23 | iKarith | screen just shows how hard it is to implement a terminal emulator and do it right. For what it is, how it works, and how old it is, it's remarkably good at what it does. |
| 05:02.43 | iKarith | And the stuff it does right made writing tmux a thousand times easier I'm sure. |
| 05:03.02 | AlexLikeRock | iKarith, its like terminator ? |
| 05:03.17 | *** join/#debian canopus_ (~canopus@unaffiliated/pierrot) |
| 05:04.21 | iKarith | makerman: The major thing that you're going to have trouble with is that you can't really virtualize one framebuffer the way you want to provide things like a web browser in just another window of your tmux session. If you need GUI for the web, and we generally all do nowadays, you're gonna need a GUI. |
| 05:04.33 | iKarith | but you can get the GUI pretty light. |
| 05:04.52 | iKarith | Heck, if you don't need a modern DE, you can still use Window Maker or IceWM. |
| 05:05.19 | *** join/#debian maxcell_ (~maxcell@191.32.196.177) |
| 05:05.58 | maxcell_ | hi good night |
| 05:06.01 | tripkin | I have a (hopefully) quick question. I set up apt preferences by setting all security to 1000, all stable to 900, all testing to 600, all unstable to 150, and all experimental to -1. When I sudo apt-cache policy vlc, i am shown that 2.2.4-1 is the currently installed version, 2.2.4-4 is ranked 150, 2.2.4-1 is ranked 1000, and so on. When I run sudo apt-get -t unstable install vlc, I am told I already have the latest version |
| 05:06.01 | tripkin | installed. The folks at #vlc suggested I try a nightly to see if it resolves a problem I have, so I am willing to try unstable, on the premise that I can choose to rollback to stable. Any ideas on what I have done wrong regarding getting an install from Sid to work? |
| 05:06.02 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
| 05:06.10 | makerman | iKarith, yeah i dont really need a browser and linx if that still exists would likley suffice |
| 05:06.28 | makerman | i might just stick with the ui i dunno |
| 05:06.30 | makerman | lets see |
| 05:06.31 | makerman | lol |
| 05:06.36 | somiaj | there is also links2 |
| 05:06.56 | The_Schmidt | also elinks w3m lynx |
| 05:07.36 | The_Schmidt | not to mention there's irssi and weechat for irc |
| 05:07.37 | pingfloyd | !frankendebian |
| 05:07.37 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 05:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1622] by debhelper |
| 05:08.25 | ryouma | tripkin: perhaps you can create a backport or convince somebody to do so. what is thr peoblem? |
| 05:08.32 | ryouma | with vlc |
| 05:08.39 | tripkin | If that is for me, pingfloyd, then thanks. |
| 05:08.46 | tom99 | arg vlc sux hot rocks from space |
| 05:09.00 | ryouma | wfm |
| 05:09.18 | pingfloyd | !ssb |
| 05:09.18 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 05:09.29 | tripkin | ryouma, when I am playing certain video files I get audio but no video. On windows, they play just fine with a vanilla 2.2.4 install, no extra codecs. |
| 05:10.12 | tripkin | Thanks pingfloyd. I did not include the src line. |
| 05:10.19 | pingfloyd | tripkin: no problem |
| 05:10.39 | tripkin | ryouma, wfm? |
| 05:10.50 | ryouma | works for me |
| 05:10.54 | tripkin | Oh. |
| 05:11.12 | *** join/#debian dayten (~gnoid@188.170.196.42) |
| 05:12.00 | tripkin | It is encoded with divx, and when I run the video in question, I get a codec error. After looking at the log, that is when the vlc folds suggested I try a nightly. |
| 05:13.04 | AlexLikeRock | wath size of the video ? |
| 05:13.16 | iKarith | makerman: lynx, links, and elinks all exist |
| 05:13.48 | AlexLikeRock | 780x1040 ? 320x400 ? 720x1080? tripkin ? |
| 05:13.54 | tripkin | AlexLikeRock, it is a 345MB avi. |
| 05:13.55 | *** join/#debian beatdown (beatdown@unaffiliated/beatdown) |
| 05:13.57 | tripkin | ah |
| 05:14.05 | iKarith | makerman: But as I said, if you need a GUI, you can always startx and use a lighter WM |
| 05:14.08 | maxcell_ | so i have a question for you, i do not want to mass the repositories with unstable packages, but i want to install the latest nvidia driver anyway, from the website, but it doesnt install the 32bits packages because it doesnt find the Path where it should install the 32bits Libraries from the nvidia_driver.sh in Debian. It find the Path in Fedora with no problem, but doesnt in Debian. I really wanna know where the 32bits Folder in Debian lays on. I try |
| 05:14.08 | maxcell_ | to set manually in the nvidia_driver installation to put the 32bits Libraries in /usr/lib but it doesnt work. The driver copy the files, but the system (debian) doesnt find them there. Where Debian look for the 32bits libraries in the system by default? I didnt have this problem with any other distros, every distro i test installing the nvidia driver from website find install the 32bits libraries automatically and it work. PS: i need 32bits library in 6 |
| 05:14.09 | maxcell_ | 4bit system because of the Steam |
| 05:14.16 | tripkin | AlexLikeRock, hang on a sec, I will get you the details |
| 05:14.51 | iKarith | makerman: I'm probably like THE guy around here who actually uses old hardware seriously. *pats his Apple //c* |
| 05:16.13 | tripkin | AlexLikeRock, it is a 480x360 at 28fps, MPEG-4 Visual (XviD) |
| 05:16.32 | *** join/#debian nibble_zero (~chatzilla@77.237.115.44) |
| 05:16.50 | makerman | iKarith, hows the apple 2 work on the net? |
| 05:16.56 | maxcell_ | I really want to understand how Debian works in this particulary case and i would be amazed if someone could teach me that. |
| 05:16.57 | iKarith | You'd be shocked what you can accomplish with mutt or alpine, elinks, weechat or irssi, offlineimap, python, etc. |
| 05:17.10 | AlexLikeRock | tripkin, try with SMPLAYER |
| 05:17.12 | makerman | i have two of those sitting in my closet one with a 300 baud modem that still works |
| 05:17.22 | AlexLikeRock | its bery good |
| 05:17.33 | tripkin | Ok AlexLikeRock, thanks. Let you know in a sec |
| 05:18.10 | maxcell_ | tripkin, mplayer and mpv is awesome and support hardware acceleration with libvdpau. just mplayer -vo vdpau (if you have a graphic card) |
| 05:18.17 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@116.58.233.227) |
| 05:18.35 | pingfloyd | !multiarch |
| 05:18.35 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 05:19.10 | iKarith | makerman: Well, the //c does it over serial. The //e and IIgs can use contiki for the 6502 using a card called the Uthernet II (I've got one), and the IIgs can use Spectrum Internet Suite on the Uthernet II or over 230.4kbps AppleTalk bridged to DDP ethernet (EtherTalk) talking to netatalk 2 on Debian/Raspbian machines. |
| 05:19.15 | maxcell_ | dpkg, i did that before ./nvidia_driver.sh |
| 05:19.15 | dpkg | maxcell_: no idea |
| 05:19.19 | tripkin | AlexLikeRock, SMPlayer is working fine. Thanks. Wish I knew why vlc wasn't working, though. |
| 05:19.42 | maxcell_ | dpkg, i enable the i386 architecture and try to install the nvidia_driver after that |
| 05:19.42 | dpkg | maxcell_: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 05:19.53 | *** join/#debian sriniwas (~sriniwas@2405:204:b009:2867:e575:814d:ca6a:6f09) |
| 05:20.31 | tom99 | apparently weechat is some sort of irc client |
| 05:20.44 | AlexLikeRock | tripkin, , very good :-) |
| 05:21.00 | iKarith | Yes, quite mature at this point, though in some ways weechat is still behind irssi. In others, far ahead. |
| 05:21.05 | maxcell_ | dpkg, how Debian enable multiarch? Where did it look for the Libraries, where is their default paths... i dont understand Debian, it should be simplier but its not |
| 05:21.05 | dpkg | maxcell_: what are you talking about? |
| 05:21.22 | iKarith | maxcell_: you do realize you're talking to an infobot right? |
| 05:21.36 | tom99 | ELinks is a free text-based console web browser for Unix-like operating systems. |
| 05:21.42 | maxcell_ | dpkg, did you read my big question about the nvidia driver? that i want to install the latest without massing with the unstable repos? |
| 05:21.44 | dpkg | maxcell_: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 05:22.01 | maxcell_ | dpkg is a bot? |
| 05:22.02 | dpkg | maxcell_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:22.11 | maxcell_ | iKarith, sorry uahauhauh i just realize that now |
| 05:22.25 | tom99 | Alpine Linux is a Linux distribution based on musl and BusyBox |
| 05:22.39 | maxcell_ | iKarith, why he is answering me anyway, wtf |
| 05:22.44 | iKarith | tom99: Alpine is an email client |
| 05:22.59 | iKarith | !blootbot |
| 05:23.00 | dpkg | blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sf.net/ . Blootbot debs are now in Debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about <infobot>. |
| 05:23.27 | iKarith | !infobot |
| 05:23.27 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sf.net/ for more. |
| 05:23.39 | *** join/#debian han-solo (~han-solo@101.56.170.96) |
| 05:23.47 | iKarith | That's what dpkg is :) |
| 05:24.01 | *** join/#debian smbgn (~wintermut@27-32-32-80.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 05:24.05 | maxcell_ | sounds cute, but i really wanna a real person to help me |
| 05:24.20 | tom99 | iKarith: you sure use some classic software |
| 05:24.33 | rihbyne | !dpkg |
| 05:24.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 05:24.36 | pingfloyd | real people went extinct |
| 05:24.40 | *** join/#debian fr1tz (~fr1tz@2601:cd:400:c910::2) |
| 05:24.55 | tom99 | so on a different topic, does anybody know any of those "learn linux" books that aren't complete garbage? |
| 05:25.07 | tom99 | like the "Learn Linux Essentials in 21 Parsecs" type stuff |
| 05:25.19 | pingfloyd | tom99: by the time they hit print, they make good toilet paper |
| 05:25.20 | somiaj | maxcell_: did you enable i386 with the dpkg command the bot gave you? After that apt-get update, then apt-get install package:i386 |
| 05:25.24 | iKarith | tom99: weechat is quite modern, mutt ... has been around a few years. elinks is a web browser from a time when people used text interfaces on modems, and I was talking about how I use these things from an Apple //c over a serial port. :) |
| 05:26.05 | iKarith | The 21 parsecs types books are the ones that are garbage :) |
| 05:26.11 | tom99 | pingfloyd, I thought as much |
| 05:26.11 | tom99 | lol how do you install linux on an Apple //c is what I want to know there |
| 05:26.38 | iKarith | pingfloyd: there are a few books that stand the test of time. |
| 05:26.45 | pingfloyd | you mean IIc? |
| 05:26.53 | iKarith | pingfloyd: books. |
| 05:26.54 | maxcell_ | somiaj, i want to install the latest nvidia_driver from the website. It install the 64bit libraries and the driver work but it cant install the 32bit libraries because it cant find the Path (directory) where it should install them. And yes, i did activate the multiarch with dpkg that bot gave to me when i try to install the driver few weaks ago |
| 05:26.56 | iKarith | on linux |
| 05:27.10 | iKarith | The //c I still use today. And the IIgs :D |
| 05:27.23 | somiaj | maxcell_: what do you mean from the website? You are installing the drivers from nvidia.com and not using the debian packages. You should really be using debian packages. It is much cleaner. |
| 05:27.28 | tom99 | Like a minimum requirement of a book would be at least it tells you some things about the / that you don't know |
| 05:27.40 | tom99 | like how to link against the things in /usr/include or about where libraries go |
| 05:27.51 | tom99 | but i doubt there are any such |
| 05:28.00 | somiaj | maxcell_: multiarch is for debian packages and how debian choose to split up 32bit and 64bit apps. I'm unsure if that is what is needed for the offical nvidia.com drivers. |
| 05:28.48 | iKarith | tom99: how in-depth do you need the book to be? |
| 05:28.50 | *** join/#debian dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69) |
| 05:29.19 | pingfloyd | here's a hint: any book with a title like X in Y amount time is probably shit |
| 05:29.58 | iKarith | tom99: https://debian-handbook.info/ is a free book and it's up to date for Jessie |
| 05:30.47 | maxcell_ | somiaj, not in this particulary case. See, to install the real latest driver you need experimental repository, and i dont want to mess up the apt-get because it will become a mass if i mixed testing stuffs with experimental stuffs so i just find so much better to just ./nvidia_driver.sh the only problem is, it cant find the 32bits libraries folder and, when i try to manually "say" to the driver to install the 32bits libraries in /usr/lib it doesnt work |
| 05:30.48 | maxcell_ | aswell. The system doesnt find the 32bits libraries. (The driver run a test in the end of the install, in the test, 32bits libraries doesnt work) |
| 05:31.00 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 05:31.01 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 361.45.18-2; sid/non-free: 361.45.18-2; experimental/non-free: 367.44-1 |
| 05:31.11 | tom99 | iKarith: yeah i have that already iKarith, just wondered if there was any other broadly linux books to check out |
| 05:31.17 | somiaj | maxcell_: What video card do you have? |
| 05:31.31 | tom99 | i didn't think there were just checking |
| 05:31.39 | maxcell_ | somiaj, gtx 970 |
| 05:31.41 | iKarith | New Riders used to have some good ones, but they've been borged into Pearson along with Peachpit Press. |
| 05:31.43 | tom99 | i think there's a "Linux Device Drivers for Dummies" book somewhere |
| 05:32.02 | *** join/#debian itablist (~dev@93.170.110.98) |
| 05:32.24 | iKarith | Most books published by O'Reilly are at least not horse crap. |
| 05:32.35 | somiaj | maxcell_: short answer. nvidia.com's drivers are not supported here (only the debian packages). More complete answer, nvidia.com drivers don't play nicely with dpkg and even if you get them installed, upgrades and the likes can and will erease some of the nvidia.com files and break your drivers. |
| 05:32.49 | maxcell_ | somiaj, is just wanna know where Debian installs the 32bit libraries and where i can put it that makes the system notest it is there and find it and work with it... where is the default folder for 32bit libraries in debian? |
| 05:33.10 | tom99 | iKarith: ah ok, i don't want to read horse crap for sure. |
| 05:33.41 | somiaj | maxcell_: the gtk 970 is supported by the 352.79 drivers in jessie-backports. Have you tried that option. |
| 05:33.44 | maxcell_ | somiaj, that not a problem, if it break i just have to install again... |
| 05:34.10 | pingfloyd | s/if/when |
| 05:34.33 | iKarith | tom99: O'Reilly and No Starch are two publishers I highly recommend. |
| 05:34.53 | maxcell_ | somiaj, i know it is, but you get fundamental improvements with the latest version 367. in a simple glxgears test you can get 5.000fps more than the 352 version of the driver... |
| 05:35.04 | pingfloyd | yeah, O'Reilly books seem like some of the better when it comes to printed books |
| 05:35.07 | somiaj | maxcell_: the libs are located in /lib/i386-linux-gnu |
| 05:35.31 | pingfloyd | they often have a lot of errors in my experiences, but that's not a big deal, just go to their site and read through the errata |
| 05:35.36 | pingfloyd | there |
| 05:35.42 | somiaj | maxcell_: have you tried to make your own backports of the squeeze drivers, 365, I ahve also sucessfuly made backports of the drivers from experimential in situations like this. But it has been a while. |
| 05:36.09 | tom99 | iKarith: I accept your knowledge and assimilate into my neuromatrix. |
| 05:36.13 | somiaj | maxcell_: not squeeze, streetch. sorry. |
| 05:36.18 | pingfloyd | at least O'Reilly aren't blind leading the blind books and low on fluff |
| 05:36.20 | tom99 | is Apress or Microsoft press ever good? |
| 05:36.42 | somiaj | notes, this is a debian support channel, try to keep vaglue on topic. Thank you. (: |
| 05:37.02 | maxcell_ | somiaj, i dont know how to do that |
| 05:37.05 | *** join/#debian massmc (~massmc@goon.ws) |
| 05:37.14 | maxcell_ | :( |
| 05:37.46 | somiaj | !tell maxcell_ about ssb |
| 05:37.57 | somiaj | maxcell_: skip the line about check for backports. Think you could try to follow those instructions. |
| 05:38.23 | somiaj | maxcell_: there is one complication. You'll have to build the 32bit packages inside a 32bit chroot. |
| 05:38.43 | *** join/#debian saul (~hubert@190.124.36.38) |
| 05:39.32 | tom99 | no starch has a book on debian. Coincidence? |
| 05:39.34 | tom99 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Debian_System |
| 05:39.44 | *** join/#debian KyokoDebian (4d4da301@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.77.163.1) |
| 05:39.59 | *** part/#debian KyokoDebian (4d4da301@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.77.163.1) |
| 05:40.28 | *** join/#debian massmc_ (~massmc@goon.ws) |
| 05:41.24 | somiaj | maxcell_: nvidia.com has support formus. maybe you can find a post there about how to install the 32bit libaries on a debian system if you don't mind reinstalling each time dpkg breaks it. |
| 05:42.07 | *** join/#debian error (48be08f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.72.190.8.246) |
| 05:43.53 | *** join/#debian mzf (~mzf@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 05:44.24 | maxcell_ | somiaj, i have to say, im not a developer and, that wasnt easy or simple. I will raedy the instructions, because im curious and i want to know now but, before i try that, i will install 32bit libs from the nvidia_driver to /lib/i386-linux-gnu folder i think it can work. About the nvidia forums, im here to know about debian system itself, like i asked you i wanna know where Debian looking for the 32bit libs on his system thats all. I just wanna know how |
| 05:44.24 | maxcell_ | Debian works after all to demystifying that in order to make me understand to become familiar to me.. |
| 05:44.41 | *** join/#debian nebg_ (~nebg@93-35-253-193.ip57.fastwebnet.it) |
| 05:44.58 | *** join/#debian dreki (~dreki@c-50-149-184-30.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 05:45.19 | somiaj | maxcell_: that's fine, I was just trying to see if a debian solution would work and point you to a place you may be able to search for a solution to your problem. |
| 05:46.06 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.14.95) |
| 05:46.39 | tom99 | hmm is there a book discussing building a 32 bit package in a debian chroot? |
| 05:47.05 | iKarith | tom99: I did LOL at the top of nostarch.com: 50% off ebooks this weekend with promo code JUSTBECAUSE |
| 05:47.08 | *** join/#debian saul (~hubert@190.124.36.38) |
| 05:47.30 | iKarith | tom99: They're obviously _not_ a large corporate publisher. ;) |
| 05:47.57 | *** join/#debian dreki (~dreki@c-50-149-184-30.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 05:48.00 | maxcell_ | somiaj, the only solution that exists in the web in this present moment is to enable the experimental repository and install the latest driver from there with apt-get... I just dont understand why it has to be a .deb package if the only thing its wrong with the binary driver from the site is that he cant find the real place to install the 32bits libraries and i can "tell him" the path myself but i didnt know too, because i dont understand hw the system |
| 05:48.00 | maxcell_ | works |
| 05:48.44 | somiaj | maxcell_: lots of solutions are written tworads the debian solution. Though building a package from experimential is a better solution than installing one. |
| 05:49.06 | *** join/#debian dreki (~dreki@c-50-149-184-30.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 05:49.52 | somiaj | maxcell_: and the experiential solution is just fine for testing/unstable users. But jessie users usually have to do more work for newer hardware. |
| 05:50.02 | *** part/#debian The_Schmidt (~The_Schmi@207-192-200-73.lbbkcmtk04.res.dyn.suddenlink.net) |
| 05:50.29 | maxcell_ | somiaj, can i build a package from the binary driver itself and install with dpkg? |
| 05:50.42 | *** join/#debian Starduster (~SD@unaffiliated/starduster) |
| 05:50.42 | somiaj | maxcell_: that is the backport solution I was trying to point you at |
| 05:51.11 | tom99 | there is a Learning Debian GNU/Linux from O'Reilly dated 1999 |
| 05:51.28 | maxcell_ | somiaj, i thought you were talling me to install the driver from backport repo, but it isnt the latest one |
| 05:51.52 | Guest | thats not to old |
| 05:52.19 | maxcell_ | the latest is way better, in performance |
| 05:52.23 | Guest | man pages are the best way to lean about debian |
| 05:52.36 | somiaj | maxcell_: once you explained you have tried it, I then said you could build your own packge from the source from experiemental, and had the bot send you isntructions. Though there is a small wrikel for building the 32bit packages on a 64 bit system |
| 05:52.39 | tom99 | Guest: obvious troll is obvious |
| 05:52.51 | *** part/#debian Valdebrick (Valdebrick@valdebrick.com) |
| 05:53.01 | han-solo | man pages? |
| 05:53.02 | *** join/#debian _unreal_ (~laptop@99-60-100-45.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:53.11 | *** join/#debian sbine (~sbine@unaffiliated/sbine) |
| 05:54.31 | *** join/#debian faw (~faw@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 05:55.43 | maxcell_ | somiaj, yeah, thank you for that somiaj i appreciate the hint and i will read and learn more about it. May i ask you one final question tho? I will need to install a 32bit debian.iso and chroot it from my actual 64bit version? |
| 05:55.52 | tom99 | man pages in my experience provide about the same level of information as programName --help does |
| 05:56.21 | han-solo | are you guys talking about the shell? |
| 05:56.23 | somiaj | maxcell_: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Building_newer_releases_from_SVN I also found those instructions about building the source right from svn. This seems to have a different solution to the 32bit issue in how the packages are made which might make it easier |
| 05:56.30 | somiaj | maxcell_: just read the notes in the instructions. |
| 05:57.48 | *** join/#debian han-solo_ (~han-solo@101.56.28.183) |
| 05:58.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1628] by debhelper |
| 05:58.18 | *** join/#debian saul (~hubert@190.124.36.38) |
| 05:58.34 | *** join/#debian han-solo (~han-solo@115.246.65.77) |
| 05:59.49 | *** join/#debian Devastator (~devas@186.214.109.231) |
| 05:59.54 | maxcell_ | somiaj, ok somiaj thank you for now appreciate that |
| 06:00.26 | *** join/#debian BobbyJr (~BobbyJr@robsworld.plus.com) |
| 06:02.22 | *** join/#debian Devastator (~devas@unaffiliated/devastator) |
| 06:03.49 | *** join/#debian ]3n19m4[_ (~]3n19m4@188.86.111.229) |
| 06:06.31 | *** join/#debian smbgn (~wintermut@27-32-32-80.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 06:08.40 | *** join/#debian cyphase (~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase) |
| 06:09.33 | *** join/#debian GJdan (~dan@d64-180-22-165.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 06:09.56 | *** join/#debian yans (~yans@unaffiliated/yinsen) |
| 06:11.21 | maxcell_ | somiaj, we have this driver in this SVN site https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-nvidia/packages/nvidia-graphics-drivers/branches/367/ is it ready for build following the SVN build instructions that you gave me? |
| 06:12.31 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (~agiofws@2a02:582:7cae:f200:d1af:1b3f:269a:6b46) |
| 06:13.02 | iKarith | tom99: The Linux Command Line (No Starch) is kind of a basic guide if you're used to the GUI. Linux Pocket Guide (O'Reilly) is a pocket-sized cheatsheet for for looking up how to get common tasks done. I don't recommend O'Reilly's Linux Essentials--too many topics to be any good at covering any in depth. |
| 06:13.40 | tom99 | iKarith: ah so you don't think books can get into too depth |
| 06:13.42 | tom99 | makes sense |
| 06:14.31 | iKarith | I think that some books cover too many things to do a good job covering anything well. |
| 06:14.38 | tom99 | right |
| 06:14.45 | tom99 | like that thing above about compiling some svn thing or other |
| 06:14.46 | iKarith | THAT book spends time talking about choosing the right power supply for your PC. |
| 06:14.48 | tom99 | might not be in a book |
| 06:15.00 | iKarith | it can't do that and teach you to use the vi editor. |
| 06:15.06 | iKarith | Not well anyway :D |
| 06:15.27 | tom99 | lol |
| 06:15.39 | iKarith | and it's targeted toward a certification program |
| 06:15.45 | iKarith | we all know what those are worth :P |
| 06:15.50 | tom99 | lol |
| 06:15.56 | tom99 | well i figure if i hang out here and ask questions and read wikis then i'll learn |
| 06:16.17 | tom99 | maybe i can barter with people who come into the channel. i'll help them with their problem if they teach me something or i get something out of solving it |
| 06:16.22 | tom99 | idk if that makes any sense |
| 06:16.49 | iKarith | looking for a good/current book that covers the actual admin tasks beyond the basics |
| 06:16.56 | maxcell_ | somiaj, btw, i didnt mean when i say debian wasnt simple. the problem is that im not that smart so, when all you gotta do is "apt-get install" is very simple right but, when i get a problem that you can't understand it becomes hard because you aren't actually ready for it. know? |
| 06:16.59 | tom99 | i'll stick to debian handbook for now i guess |
| 06:17.08 | tom99 | unless i want to learn german to read that one debian book |
| 06:17.39 | iKarith | Linux in a Nutshell was useful back in the day, but it was last updated too long ago to be useful. We have systemd now. |
| 06:17.42 | tom99 | Debian Gnu/Linux: Das umfassende Handbuch |
| 06:18.02 | LostSoul | Hi |
| 06:18.10 | LostSoul | I have strange issue |
| 06:18.15 | maxcell_ | somiaj, "when i get a problem that i cant understand" my english sucks hard |
| 06:18.45 | LostSoul | I can connect to server via ssh. To LDAP users and local too. When I logged on server via local user I was able to do so, LDAP nope. |
| 06:19.05 | iKarith | There's not really anything current for Debian 8 from O'Reilly, and Debian 7 is going to be pre-systemd |
| 06:19.17 | LostSoul | I don't have root password to this server, LDAP server is working (I'm getting user list over getent passwd) |
| 06:19.34 | LostSoul | network is also working on this machine |
| 06:19.48 | LostSoul | How and were I can debug this? This stopped to work out of sudden |
| 06:19.52 | tom99 | But iKarith, learning how the pre-systemd startup scripts work could be useful |
| 06:19.58 | tom99 | say if debugging or managing an older system |
| 06:20.58 | LostSoul | I can't connect via SSH * |
| 06:21.06 | LostSoul | ssh deamon is working |
| 06:21.35 | *** join/#debian ullf (~androirc@112.red-88-3-42.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 06:22.21 | *** join/#debian satbyy (~Satish@unaffiliated/satbyy) |
| 06:23.56 | *** join/#debian crazyadm (~bao@115.204.91.39) |
| 06:25.20 | LostSoul | Any tips, how to debug this? :) |
| 06:25.24 | LostSoul | I can shut it down and restart root password but I would like to find reason before doing so |
| 06:25.52 | iKarith | tom99: There is a book on Debian wheezy that's useful, but if I were recommending books for a new Linux user who wanted to learn how their system worked, I'd start with The Linux Command Line and recommend The Debian Administrator's Handbook and then come back to No Starch for Python Crash Course. |
| 06:26.34 | iKarith | I recommend that over Dive Into Python 3, because it's one book that covers both Python 2 and 3, and despite the effort to kill off Python 2 as soon as possible, it's going to be with us for years. |
| 06:26.51 | *** join/#debian gosul33t (~gosul33t@unaffiliated/gosul33t) |
| 06:27.31 | tom99 | sounds like a bitter divorce |
| 06:27.46 | iKarith | You could (and many would suggest you should) prefer a good book on Ruby, but I find Python is more widely used/understood. |
| 06:27.59 | iKarith | Well, Python 2 is poor at things like unicode |
| 06:28.02 | tom99 | Like what do you do if you clone your wife into Wife2.0 but wife1.0 doesn't want to leave? you're stuck |
| 06:28.19 | iKarith | The changes that make Python 3 good at it ... make it kind of incompatible. |
| 06:28.58 | tom99 | when you say "linux command line" what do you mean exactly? |
| 06:28.59 | iKarith | But that incompatibility has forced a divide on one side or the other where new stuff isn't available for Python 2, and old stuff never got ported to Python 3. |
| 06:29.06 | tom99 | there are a lot of books that have that title similar |
| 06:29.14 | iKarith | Lemme find the book |
| 06:29.27 | *** join/#debian HeOS (~heos@host217-114-156-54.pppoe.mark-itt.net) |
| 06:30.37 | iKarith | tom99: https://www.nostarch.com/tlcl |
| 06:31.35 | iKarith | tom99: if you are needing a book for even a few of those topics, I can recommend that one. It's a little more approachable than the Debian Administrator's Handbook, which seems to kinda assume this kind of knowledge as a prerequisite. |
| 06:33.45 | tom99 | hmm interesting |
| 06:34.13 | tom99 | yeah i'm just kind of blindly trusting in what you say |
| 06:34.18 | tom99 | but i don't really have any alternative |
| 06:34.25 | tom99 | there's a million and one linux books out there |
| 06:35.13 | iKarith | Well, the advantage of the Debian Administrator's Handbook is that it's a free book... Have a look, if you feel like you need something more generalized to using the shell first, it's there. |
| 06:35.34 | iKarith | There's also some online resources for that, but some folks like the book. |
| 06:35.54 | tom99 | true enough, it does look like a good intro |
| 06:36.30 | tom99 | i figure if i know c,lisp, bash, and python then i can understand anything in linux. lol. |
| 06:36.32 | iKarith | You can also read Dive Into Python freely. (Both Python 2 and 3 versions are in Jessie, though the Python 2 version has been pulled in Stretch) |
| 06:37.12 | iKarith | If you know your way around C, lisp, python, and bash, you should be able to figure out systemd. And if you can figure out systemd, you're good. |
| 06:37.15 | *** join/#debian mastokley (~mastokley@71.35.179.178) |
| 06:37.29 | iKarith | systemd ... I have a love/hate relationship with systemd. Except without much love. |
| 06:38.23 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@82-132-239-17.dab.02.net) |
| 06:40.19 | tom99 | lol |
| 06:40.57 | pingfloyd | systemd isn't that hard to use, it just sucks |
| 06:41.54 | preaction | there's too many flavors of systemd for my liking. debian gnu/systemd, redhat gnu/systemd, fedora gnu/systemd... |
| 06:42.14 | maxcell_ | it does? |
| 06:43.42 | *** join/#debian eki (~eki@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c3d9-104.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 06:44.35 | tom99 | gnu slash leenux |
| 06:45.04 | han-solo | i like systemd |
| 06:45.14 | han-solo | hasn't it overthrown sysvint? |
| 06:46.18 | *** join/#debian aaro (~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147) |
| 06:47.21 | *** join/#debian austin987 (~null@cpe-72-182-39-163.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 06:48.30 | *** join/#debian klow (~textual@c-98-247-49-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 06:48.35 | somiaj | maxcell_: I haven't tried to build it, but I woudl assume it is. I did notice some notes about modifications you will have to do to get it to build in jessie. But nothing that says it won't build |
| 06:51.04 | maxcell_ | somiaj, yeah i think it will work well... thanks bro very nice |
| 06:51.42 | *** join/#debian nibble_zero (~chatzilla@77.237.115.44) |
| 06:51.50 | *** join/#debian elliot007 (~elliot@103.254.56.102) |
| 06:55.33 | *** join/#debian opensuse_ (~szechuan@ip68-228-139-82.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 06:55.45 | *** join/#debian therealfibonacci (~crow@unaffiliated/therealfibonacci) |
| 06:56.45 | opensuse_ | Hello! My name is Pierre, and I formally request the source code of the software "Debian". Admin, please paste it in the chat. |
| 06:56.54 | opensuse_ | Failure to do so will result in a lawsuit. |
| 06:57.19 | *** join/#debian a1batr0ss (~a1batr0ss@unaffiliated/a1batr0ss) |
| 06:58.10 | han-solo | bha! |
| 06:58.19 | pingfloyd | opensuse_: are you trolling or really that dumb? |
| 06:58.45 | TomTomTo1 | don't feed them. |
| 06:58.50 | opensuse_ | Call me Pierre, I am an open source code dev from Paris. I will not tolerate slander. |
| 06:58.55 | *** mode/#debian [+o jelly] by ChanServ |
| 06:58.56 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@ip68-228-139-82.hr.hr.cox.net] by jelly |
| 06:58.57 | *** mode/#debian [-o jelly] by ChanServ |
| 06:59.15 | *** part/#debian opensuse_ (~szechuan@ip68-228-139-82.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 07:00.33 | han-solo | that could have been fun! |
| 07:01.02 | maxcell_ | lol |
| 07:01.04 | jelly | no fun in here, just support |
| 07:01.16 | han-solo | :) |
| 07:03.39 | han-solo | Norfolk-Portsmouth, VA |
| 07:04.04 | *** join/#debian Putti (~Putti@unaffiliated/putti) |
| 07:06.37 | *** join/#debian stoned (~stoned@howstoned.ru) |
| 07:08.34 | *** join/#debian booboy (~booboy@c-50-129-174-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 07:09.22 | *** join/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 07:10.21 | *** join/#debian Envil (~envil@x4db4e543.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 07:12.10 | *** join/#debian cat3 (~Cat3@188.130.155.154) |
| 07:12.58 | *** join/#debian gosul33t (~gosul33t@unaffiliated/gosul33t) |
| 07:13.07 | *** join/#debian wishaa (~wish@46.109-247-22.customer.lyse.net) |
| 07:13.23 | *** join/#debian InfoTest (~Thunderbi@41.188.54.5) |
| 07:13.31 | *** join/#debian Messenger_bird (~banana@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) |
| 07:15.02 | *** join/#debian benkard (~benkard@p200300864C368B014CE42989AB9DDA3B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:15.50 | *** join/#debian mavhq (~quassel@cpc77319-basf12-2-0-cust433.12-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 07:17.07 | *** join/#debian cyphase (~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase) |
| 07:17.09 | *** join/#debian borsin (~borsin@50.35.107.243) |
| 07:19.13 | tom99 | oh +q is like +b ?? |
| 07:20.32 | *** join/#debian lorenzo64 (~lorenzo__@5.144.190.80) |
| 07:20.34 | iflema | tom99: one read-only the other... only |
| 07:21.24 | nkuttler | tom99: +q is just muted, +b prevents from joining. #freenode for questions about the network |
| 07:24.51 | *** join/#debian julius_ (~jason4@dslb-178-003-133-059.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 07:25.21 | *** join/#debian sterniste (~sstern@188.188.187.207) |
| 07:25.49 | *** join/#debian maotm (~mao@81.24.87.131) |
| 07:27.06 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-93-129-109.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 07:27.17 | *** join/#debian toli (~toli@ip-83-134-71-70.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 07:27.38 | *** join/#debian rdr (~rdr@27-33-7-81.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 07:28.53 | *** join/#debian dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 07:30.20 | *** join/#debian KP708 (KP708@Living.In.The.Clouds.PanicBNC.org) |
| 07:31.06 | *** join/#debian debalance (~debalance@aftr-88-153-7-155.unity-media.net) |
| 07:31.11 | *** join/#debian borsin (~borsin@50.35.107.243) |
| 07:31.57 | *** join/#debian dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69) |
| 07:33.43 | *** join/#debian borsin (~borsin@50.35.107.243) |
| 07:34.08 | *** join/#debian remo (~remo@77.41.73.6) |
| 07:34.35 | *** join/#debian smica (~smica@88.132.80.188) |
| 07:35.09 | *** join/#debian elliot007 (~elliot@103.254.56.102) |
| 07:36.25 | *** join/#debian Rust3dCor3 (~Rust3dCor@unaffiliated/rust3dcor3) |
| 07:37.02 | *** join/#debian surfist (~surfist@122.200.0.2) |
| 07:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1635] by debhelper |
| 07:38.32 | *** join/#debian webpigeon (~quassel@kat.vps.livebytes.co.uk) |
| 07:41.43 | *** join/#debian chkm8 (~chkm8@12.06.01a8.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com) |
| 07:41.51 | *** join/#debian gdot (~gdot@pD9FEDF91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:41.51 | *** join/#debian cyphase (~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase) |
| 07:46.56 | *** join/#debian wishaa (~wish@46.109-247-22.customer.lyse.net) |
| 07:47.58 | *** join/#debian benkard (~benkard@p200300864C368B01DC7FEE12F8AF4014.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:49.54 | *** join/#debian lowin (~lowin@151.245.97.80) |
| 07:50.39 | *** join/#debian lowin (~lowin@151.245.97.80) |
| 07:52.20 | *** join/#debian LotharKAtt (~lelouch@194.61.48.251) |
| 07:56.26 | *** join/#debian samba35 (~chatzilla@1.22.231.176) |
| 07:56.33 | *** join/#debian samba35 (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/samba35) |
| 07:56.46 | *** part/#debian samba35 (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/samba35) |
| 07:56.51 | *** join/#debian samba35 (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/samba35) |
| 07:57.09 | *** join/#debian hernani (~hernani@2001:8a0:715b:a001:31be:a7b6:3a81:2b6e) |
| 07:58.41 | *** join/#debian CutMeOwnThroat (~k@unaffiliated/iridos) |
| 07:59.17 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.14.95) |
| 08:02.21 | *** join/#debian Wizek__ (~Wizek@catv-89-132-132-110.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 08:03.04 | *** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@197.237.134.7) |
| 08:03.05 | *** join/#debian S4nD3r (~S4nD3r@72.167.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) |
| 08:03.59 | Guest | Can you run debian with a dual core intel cpu |
| 08:04.17 | *** join/#debian ToBeCloud (uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree) |
| 08:04.39 | han-solo | yes |
| 08:06.22 | *** join/#debian antoine__ (~antoine@voi38-1-82-233-99-252.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 08:06.48 | Guest | What about kde? |
| 08:07.35 | *** join/#debian cyphase (~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase) |
| 08:07.43 | *** join/#debian S4nD3r_ (~S4nD3r@72.167.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) |
| 08:08.00 | *** join/#debian wishaa (~wish@46.109-247-22.customer.lyse.net) |
| 08:08.17 | *** join/#debian S4nD3r (~S4nD3r@72.167.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) |
| 08:09.55 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 08:10.47 | *** join/#debian CeBe (~CeBe@a81-14-235-90.net-htp.de) |
| 08:10.51 | antoine__ | Hello everybody. Someone might help me : I have made a fresh install of lmde2 (mint debian edition) several months ago with /, /swap, /home and /data (just personnal files) partitions. I recently noticed that I've downloaded the 32bits iso instead of the 64 bits. Can I just reinstall the 64 bits lmde2 on the / partition and keep my /home or I need a entire fresh install ? |
| 08:11.00 | *** join/#debian jubo2 (~juboxi@dgd5f8yykgb-106rdl0tt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi) |
| 08:11.00 | *** join/#debian jubo2 (~juboxi@wikipedia/jukeboksi) |
| 08:11.25 | antoine__ | Hello everybody. Someone might help me : I have made a fresh install of lmde2 several months ago with /, /swap, /home and /data partitions. I recently noticed that I've downloaded the 32bits iso instead of the 64 bits. Can I just reinstall the 64 bits lmde2 on the / partition and keep my /home or I need a fresh install ? |
| 08:11.33 | *** join/#debian overlord_tm (~andraz@213.172.234.141) |
| 08:11.38 | *** join/#debian scream (~scream@unaffiliated/scream) |
| 08:12.24 | *** join/#debian puffymc (~puffymc@81.196.29.39) |
| 08:13.39 | *** join/#debian RickXy (~zncadmin@115.99.96.75) |
| 08:13.41 | *** join/#debian ktchk (~eddie6929@n219079096054.netvigator.com) |
| 08:14.16 | *** join/#debian SDFOkdlso0 (~Jack@5.137.119.182) |
| 08:15.03 | *** join/#debian vishualMMIX (~dlloyd@134.148.66.159) |
| 08:17.18 | *** join/#debian LNJ2GO (~lnj@x55b2d13b.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 08:17.30 | *** part/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 08:18.00 | *** join/#debian klow (~textual@c-98-247-49-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 08:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1645] by debhelper |
| 08:18.04 | *** join/#debian Ticho_ (~Ticho@unaffiliated/ticho) |
| 08:19.05 | *** join/#debian ajax_ (~ajax@ip70-173-255-251.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 08:19.15 | *** join/#debian iflema (~ian@2001:8003:204c:c100:5627:1eff:fe6a:89ab) |
| 08:20.07 | *** join/#debian andor2007 (~andor2007@82.26.26.166) |
| 08:21.03 | *** join/#debian ullf (~androirc@112.red-88-3-42.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 08:21.28 | ullf | Hi |
| 08:22.53 | *** part/#debian ullf (~androirc@112.red-88-3-42.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 08:24.47 | *** join/#debian altin_ (~altin@flossk/altin) |
| 08:27.14 | *** join/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 08:28.03 | *** join/#debian stooj (~stooj@181.198.151.122.dynamic.dsl.dv.iprimus.net.au) |
| 08:28.16 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-93-129-109.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 08:28.43 | *** join/#debian fenns (~fenns@unaffiliated/fenns) |
| 08:30.48 | *** join/#debian Spr1ng (~Spr1ng@unaffiliated/spr1ng) |
| 08:31.05 | *** join/#debian debalance (~debalance@aftr-88-153-7-155.unity-media.net) |
| 08:31.28 | ajax_ | Hello, |
| 08:32.59 | *** join/#debian WayToDoor (~milk.bott@autresservs.api-d.com) |
| 08:33.00 | *** join/#debian Quantumcross (~weechat@cpe-66-66-92-121.rochester.res.rr.com) |
| 08:36.20 | Joost | I'm on debian jessie, and for one wifi network (unfortunately, my home network) my connection keeps dropping every now and again |
| 08:36.35 | Joost | it'll report that it's still connected to the router, but I don't have network connectivity |
| 08:37.04 | Joost | other devices do have connectivitiy at the time, and disabling/re-enabling wifi (via the gnome menu item) gets it going for another few minutes.. |
| 08:37.08 | Joost | any suggestions on how to approach this? |
| 08:39.21 | *** join/#debian maotm (~mao@81.24.87.131) |
| 08:40.32 | *** join/#debian Phryq (~Phryq_@88.230.250.28) |
| 08:42.04 | *** join/#debian gtrotcko (~Thunderbi@bzq-82-81-213-77.cablep.bezeqint.net) |
| 08:44.49 | *** join/#debian clsqwerty_ (~Mutter@2601:646:c300:5b06:7954:e4f7:6c64:192d) |
| 08:47.13 | *** join/#debian Sir_Designer (~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug) |
| 08:47.41 | *** join/#debian shifty (~shifty779@ppp118-211-216-78.bras1.syd2.internode.on.net) |
| 08:50.07 | *** join/#debian borsin_ (~borsin@104.200.154.65) |
| 08:50.30 | *** join/#debian czesmir (~stefan@daq140.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 08:51.46 | *** join/#debian safe (~safe@unaffiliated/safe) |
| 08:51.58 | *** join/#debian pasadinhas (~textual@bl8-95-94.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 08:52.02 | *** join/#debian Sri_Designer (~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug) |
| 08:54.19 | *** join/#debian angerman (~m@118.200.49.87) |
| 08:56.51 | *** join/#debian Anwarias (~quassel@xdsl-89-0-35-173.netcologne.de) |
| 08:57.01 | *** join/#debian AusteritySucks (~Austerity@unaffiliated/austeritysucks) |
| 08:58.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1651] by debhelper |
| 09:00.14 | *** mode/#debian [+o eir] by ChanServ |
| 09:00.15 | *** mode/#debian [-qo *!*@ip68-228-139-82.hr.hr.cox.net eir] by eir |
| 09:00.33 | *** join/#debian MrNeon (~MrNeon@a109-48-102-44.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 09:01.01 | tom99 | Joost, did someone answer your question yet? |
| 09:02.23 | *** join/#debian MoonkYang (~moonkyang@de.bbido.com.yang.red) |
| 09:02.41 | *** join/#debian Phryq (~Phryq_@88.230.250.28) |
| 09:03.07 | *** join/#debian pasadinhas (~textual@bl8-95-94.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 09:03.51 | *** join/#debian nikaro (~nikaro@80.215.168.251) |
| 09:04.05 | *** join/#debian dutchfish (~wil@unaffiliated/dutchfish) |
| 09:05.20 | *** join/#debian TsukiRa (~fpob@79-170-251-152.cust.avonet.cz) |
| 09:05.48 | *** join/#debian richardx (~richardx@23.19.56.252) |
| 09:06.29 | *** join/#debian ArchNoob (~ArchNoob@unaffiliated/archnoob) |
| 09:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1657] by debhelper |
| 09:08.14 | *** join/#debian B[]rG (~tuptidup@46-150-40-173.cable.teleing.net) |
| 09:08.20 | *** join/#debian robotroll (~robotroll@unaffiliated/robotroll) |
| 09:10.09 | *** join/#debian rany (~me@unaffiliated/rany) |
| 09:12.25 | *** join/#debian debkad (~kadiro@unaffiliated/kadiro) |
| 09:13.59 | *** join/#debian woshty (~irc@HSI-KBW-5-56-233-142.hsi17.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 09:14.02 | *** join/#debian LorD_n1c0w (~igorhenri@177.75.77.4) |
| 09:14.21 | ryonaloli | i'm having trouble installing an unstable package on debian stable. i'm following the advice in https://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing in the first answer, but i only get errors such as "W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package libapt-inst" after an apt-get update. |
| 09:14.44 | ryonaloli | if i try to apt-get dist-upgrade, many packeges try to upgrade, which makes it seem like it's not doing what it's advertised to do |
| 09:15.51 | *** join/#debian Starky (~Starky@unaffiliated/starky) |
| 09:17.51 | babilen | Yes, dependency problems are to be expected if you mix stable with unstable. |
| 09:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1663] by debhelper |
| 09:18.08 | *** join/#debian barteks2x (~barteks2x@host2165.robnet.pl) |
| 09:18.40 | babilen | And it is a setup we do not recommend in general. You can either use backported packages, backport them yourself or upgrade to a testing/unstable mix |
| 09:18.54 | ryonaloli | babilen: the package i want to install is unlikely to have dependency problems. it's the kernel. |
| 09:19.03 | ryonaloli | however the issues are occuring when i apt-get update. |
| 09:19.04 | *** join/#debian Aussie_matt (~quassel@2001:8003:a4e8:5d00:222:15ff:fe99:bafd) |
| 09:19.10 | ryonaloli | before i try to insall anything |
| 09:19.28 | *** join/#debian l0llip0p (~vilitaltt@a91-156-201-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 09:19.31 | babilen | Just like last time: Little can be done without actual configuration and output |
| 09:19.52 | ryonaloli | actual configuration is exactly as provided in that link. i'll upload the output, one sec. |
| 09:20.15 | *** join/#debian benkard (~benkard@p200300864C368B01DC7FEE12F8AF4014.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:20.24 | babilen | So you opted for the pinning configuration rather than the much simpler default release? |
| 09:21.02 | ryonaloli | i can't use the default release. i need an unstable package. |
| 09:21.33 | *** join/#debian kaddeb (~kadiro@unaffiliated/kadiro) |
| 09:21.44 | TomTomTo1 | which one? |
| 09:21.46 | babilen | I was referring to setting the default release not to exclusively using it |
| 09:21.54 | ryonaloli | output: https://bpaste.net/show/59d59ac44ec1 |
| 09:22.05 | ryonaloli | babilen: i'm not sure what you mean. |
| 09:22.16 | ryonaloli | TomTomTo1: linux-image-grsec-amd64 |
| 09:22.40 | babilen | ryonaloli: You'll need a newer apt version for DepCompareOp |
| 09:22.51 | babilen | It's a warning though, not an error |
| 09:23.03 | babilen | (but one of many things that don't quite fit together) |
| 09:23.10 | *** join/#debian MoonkYang (~moonkyang@de.bbido.com.yang.red) |
| 09:23.22 | ryonaloli | so then when i try to dist-upgrade, it wants to upgrade a large number of packages. i don't want to upgrade to the latest experimental or anything like that. |
| 09:23.45 | TomTomTo1 | ryonaloli: that package exists in jessie-backports and has the same version as sid. |
| 09:23.59 | babilen | ryonaloli: It is likely that your pinning scheme is wrong then |
| 09:24.02 | linuxthefish | hi, what package do i need on debian 7 to use smbpasswd? |
| 09:24.02 | ryonaloli | TomTomTo1: ok, so i should use backports instead? |
| 09:24.06 | babilen | Yes, sure |
| 09:24.24 | babilen | Mixing stable with testing/unstable is really not recommended |
| 09:24.34 | babilen | And there are always backports of the kernel |
| 09:24.37 | babilen | dpkg: bdo kernel |
| 09:24.37 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 09:25.06 | babilen | judd: provides linux-image-grsec-amd64 --release jessie-backports |
| 09:25.08 | judd | Package linux-image-grsec-amd64 in jessie-backports/amd64 provides no additional packages. |
| 09:25.18 | *** join/#debian level7 (~quassel@31.44.16.132) |
| 09:25.20 | *** join/#debian jchuck (~chuck@host16-35-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 09:25.27 | babilen | judd: depends linux-image-grsec-amd64 --release jessie-backports |
| 09:25.28 | judd | Package linux-image-grsec-amd64 in jessie-backports/amd64 -- depends: linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64. |
| 09:25.35 | babilen | judd: v linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64 |
| 09:25.35 | peterrooney | linuxthefish: apt-file can tell you which package provides a file. |
| 09:25.36 | judd | Package: linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.6.3-1+grsec201607062159+1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.6.4-1+grsec201607242014+1 |
| 09:25.40 | peterrooney | !apt-file |
| 09:25.40 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 09:26.28 | linuxthefish | peterrooney thanks! i needed samba-common-bin, that should be added the list of things to install on https://wiki.debian.org/SambaServerSimple |
| 09:26.42 | jchuck | hi, my pc not simulate the right click when i click two fingers |
| 09:26.44 | babilen | linuxthefish: Add it yourself! :) |
| 09:27.05 | linuxthefish | babilen i can't edit! |
| 09:27.17 | babilen | Why not? |
| 09:27.24 | babilen | Are you sure you logged in? |
| 09:30.29 | kaddeb | i have an issue about lirc, it stop working after few momemnt, i restarted it but nothing happen |
| 09:31.27 | jchuck | someone know help me ? |
| 09:32.04 | kaddeb | jchuck, what do you mean by simulate? |
| 09:33.32 | jchuck | kaddeb, i want when i click in the touchpad by two fingers simulate the right click |
| 09:34.41 | babilen | jchuck: If it's a synaptics one it should be pretty straightforward: https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad + https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad#Read_the_manual |
| 09:34.58 | babilen | You can play around with synclient or xinput |
| 09:35.04 | *** join/#debian Phryq (~Phryq_@88.230.250.28) |
| 09:35.25 | *** join/#debian schu-r (~Thunderbi@82-149-107-2.wco.wellcom.at) |
| 09:35.31 | kaddeb | jchuck, i don't know how touchpad works, but you can simulate both keyboard and mouse with xdotool |
| 09:38.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1657] by debhelper |
| 09:38.28 | *** join/#debian Sabaku (~Sabaku@237.255.195.77.rev.sfr.net) |
| 09:39.33 | *** join/#debian dexta (~D3XTA@103.171.114.87.dyn.plus.net) |
| 09:42.42 | kaddeb | anyone use lirc? |
| 09:44.23 | *** join/#debian computer (~computer@118.213.185.80.rev.sfr.net) |
| 09:45.40 | *** join/#debian surfist (~surfist@122.200.0.2) |
| 09:46.43 | *** join/#debian nikaro (~nikaro@80.215.168.251) |
| 09:48.58 | *** join/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:49.16 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.14.95) |
| 09:49.20 | *** join/#debian julius_ (~jason4@dslb-178-003-133-059.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 09:49.32 | *** part/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:51.49 | jchuck | i see SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad by xinput |
| 09:52.52 | *** join/#debian eSa| (~esa@host34-172-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 09:53.14 | *** join/#debian Lowl3v3l (~Lowl3v3l@ipservice-092-208-080-178.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 09:53.54 | *** join/#debian In33dt0kn0w (uid167702@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gpixemsfoqzzmjqy) |
| 09:54.30 | *** join/#debian RebelCoder (~Yuriy@cpc74579-lewi13-2-0-cust201.2-4.cable.virginm.net) |
| 09:55.05 | jchuck | i don't have synclient |
| 09:55.23 | jchuck | and synclient isn't in repository |
| 09:56.04 | *** join/#debian nse (~leo@189.1.29.103) |
| 09:56.51 | *** join/#debian SDFOkdlso0 (~Petr@5.137.119.182) |
| 09:57.02 | ryonaloli | is there a way i can force installation of udev? it seems to require CONFIG_FHANDLE, which is not enabled in the 4.3.0 kernel which debian jessie is running on |
| 09:57.26 | ryonaloli | however if i recall from gentoo, it doesn't in fact need fhandle support |
| 09:57.35 | *** join/#debian pyvpx (click@apollo.corbe.net) |
| 09:58.04 | pyvpx | is it possible for the preseed cfg file to be fetched via tftp? |
| 09:58.16 | pyvpx | the documentation I find seems conflicting/incomplete on that question |
| 10:03.46 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 10:03.53 | *** join/#debian m_m (~m_m@149.5.176.19) |
| 10:04.21 | *** join/#debian anuxivm (~anuxi@92.185.154.236) |
| 10:05.23 | *** join/#debian _ADN_ (~ADN@host86-185-173-60.range86-185.btcentralplus.com) |
| 10:06.15 | *** join/#debian Tiffon (~name@unaffiliated/tiff0n) |
| 10:07.25 | *** join/#debian surfist (~surfist@122.200.0.2) |
| 10:08.45 | *** join/#debian soee (~soee@afke137.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 10:09.42 | *** join/#debian b3h3m0th (uid26288@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ovkaqddaotlszpxb) |
| 10:11.16 | *** join/#debian p0rt (~p0rt@mrokita.pl) |
| 10:12.45 | *** join/#debian dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69) |
| 10:13.39 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 10:14.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyvpx, I don't see anything about that in https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apb.html |
| 10:14.49 | jchuck | i have libinput |
| 10:15.01 | *** join/#debian krytarik (~krytarik@xebian/developer/krytarik) |
| 10:15.02 | jchuck | not synaptics |
| 10:15.08 | jchuck | debian 9 |
| 10:15.09 | *** join/#debian soee_ (~soee@user-46-112-28-8.play-internet.pl) |
| 10:15.20 | *** join/#debian dselect (~dselect@unaffiliated/themill/bot/dselect) |
| 10:16.52 | *** join/#debian LotharKAtt (~lelouch@194.61.48.251) |
| 10:16.53 | teraflops | jchuck: take a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libinput |
| 10:19.49 | jchuck | teraflops, my options that number is ? |
| 10:19.58 | jchuck | for to enable it |
| 10:20.21 | teraflops | jchuck: libinput will show what features supports your device. idk about your device |
| 10:20.42 | teraflops | every device has different features |
| 10:20.45 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 10:20.59 | *** join/#debian dos1 (~dos1@unaffiliated/dos1) |
| 10:21.07 | jchuck | teraflops, my device support this function |
| 10:21.11 | jchuck | in debian 8 |
| 10:21.13 | teraflops | jchuck: if youre not fine with libinput uninstall it |
| 10:21.14 | jchuck | work |
| 10:21.34 | teraflops | yeah debian jessie does not use libinput |
| 10:21.41 | jchuck | yes |
| 10:21.58 | jchuck | i can remove libinput ? |
| 10:22.04 | teraflops | yas as you agree or yes as it uses libinput? |
| 10:22.05 | jchuck | and use synaptics |
| 10:22.17 | teraflops | jchuck: sure reinstall synaptics |
| 10:22.26 | teraflops | and evdev |
| 10:23.01 | jchuck | teraflops, i installed synaptics |
| 10:23.19 | jchuck | but the system use libinput |
| 10:23.49 | teraflops | jchuck: gnome? |
| 10:23.57 | jchuck | cinnamon |
| 10:24.09 | teraflops | ah that crap. no offense |
| 10:24.30 | jchuck | loool |
| 10:24.34 | teraflops | jchuck: teinstall evdev and synaptics uninstall libinput and restart xorg |
| 10:24.38 | jchuck | why ? :D |
| 10:24.45 | kaddeb | can't get lirc to work inside debian |
| 10:25.04 | pyvpx | CutMeOwnThroat: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs02.html.en#preseed-loading |
| 10:25.05 | *** join/#debian surfist (~surfist@122.200.0.2) |
| 10:25.07 | *** join/#debian Sabaku (~Sabaku@237.255.195.77.rev.sfr.net) |
| 10:25.24 | pyvpx | mentioned tftp:// and there is an old bug that indicates tftp was added in '09 |
| 10:25.25 | *** join/#debian cybrNaut (cybrNaut@unaffiliated/cybrnaut) |
| 10:25.31 | pyvpx | I guess I'm the only nutter in here trying to do tis |
| 10:25.32 | teraflops | if liginput is a dep and you cannot uninstall it go create a xorg snippet for synaptics |
| 10:25.32 | pyvpx | this* |
| 10:26.10 | teraflops | jchuck: why? nah sorry I'm a hater |
| 10:26.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyvpx, I see… well, try it, looks as if at least someone writing the documentation thinks it's supported :P |
| 10:26.30 | pyvpx | indeed. |
| 10:26.40 | *** join/#debian puffymc (~puffymc@81.196.29.39) |
| 10:26.48 | *** join/#debian iflema (~ian@2001:8003:204c:c100:46:5ff:fec2:6725) |
| 10:26.49 | *** join/#debian Levure (~quassel@159.84-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 10:27.15 | jchuck | teraflops, that desktop enviroment use ? |
| 10:27.16 | *** part/#debian pyvpx (click@apollo.corbe.net) |
| 10:27.52 | teraflops | I do wm not de |
| 10:27.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it is probably still underdocumented… but I think it was much worse… and documentation mainly consisted of an example preseed file |
| 10:28.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I may be wrong, I never needed it |
| 10:28.37 | *** join/#debian FluidDruid_ (~FluidDrui@cpc81321-enfi21-2-0-cust205.20-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 10:30.11 | jchuck | teraflops, which ? |
| 10:30.17 | teraflops | xmonad |
| 10:30.37 | *** join/#debian Jame57 (~jame5@180-150-22-146.cust.aussiebb.net) |
| 10:30.59 | *** join/#debian Zitter (~danilo@93-41-99-171.ip81.fastwebnet.it) |
| 10:31.28 | ryonaloli | how well does debian survive without udev? |
| 10:31.43 | Joost | tom99: nope |
| 10:31.54 | *** join/#debian Starky (~Starky@unaffiliated/starky) |
| 10:32.10 | ryonaloli | is it even able to boot? |
| 10:32.52 | *** join/#debian Tarjaizaid (~Sylvain@unaffiliated/tarjaizaid) |
| 10:34.09 | *** join/#debian lorenzo64 (~lorenzo__@5.144.190.80) |
| 10:35.27 | *** join/#debian dos11 (~dos1@unaffiliated/dos1) |
| 10:35.33 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 10:36.03 | *** join/#debian lsv (~nn@CPE84948c2eddc1-CM84948c2eddc0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 10:37.03 | *** join/#debian marijnfs (~smuxi@524A9C43.cm-4-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 10:37.46 | *** join/#debian Hans-Martin (~ignore@i577BCBE8.versanet.de) |
| 10:37.51 | *** join/#debian TomTomTosch (~henryk@unaffiliated/tomtomtosch) |
| 10:39.45 | *** join/#debian Blueer (Blueer@5.146.78.180) |
| 10:40.44 | *** join/#debian eshlox (uid44222@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dxhyvozbjcbwiqiq) |
| 10:41.56 | *** join/#debian CEnnis91 (uid3543@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yjmvylwhpafzqnrf) |
| 10:42.45 | *** join/#debian flugger (~flugger@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/flugger) |
| 10:42.48 | *** join/#debian blueness (~blueness@gentoo/developer/blueness) |
| 10:44.22 | *** join/#debian dos1 (~dos1@unaffiliated/dos1) |
| 10:44.43 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 10:46.25 | *** join/#debian dos1 (~dos1@unaffiliated/dos1) |
| 10:47.48 | kaddeb | get lirc working again, hope it will not stop as it did always |
| 10:50.56 | *** join/#debian c0mrad3 (uid26809@fedora/dhanvi) |
| 10:52.04 | *** join/#debian cek (sid23454@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzolfamxxlighuuq) |
| 10:52.13 | cek | I'm having troubles with nfs |
| 10:52.16 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 10:52.20 | cek | happening recently after kernel upgrade i guess |
| 10:52.50 | *** join/#debian mzf (~mzf@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 10:53.08 | *** part/#debian richardx (~richardx@23.19.56.252) |
| 10:53.15 | cek | not sure what to think. nothing was changed aside from kernel & reboot :/ |
| 10:53.23 | kaddeb | things always happen after upgrade |
| 10:54.09 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 10:54.56 | *** join/#debian debian173 (4db2b9a3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.178.185.163) |
| 10:55.26 | debian173 | How often do you upgrade your server |
| 10:55.32 | *** join/#debian Silvering (~textual@35.206.136.88.rev.sfr.net) |
| 10:55.49 | cek | issue is in createrepo that started seeing 0 sized files & data corruption |
| 10:56.34 | cek | it's either ac acting up or something is wrong with src FS, but I've checked it and it's pretty fine |
| 10:57.32 | *** join/#debian HerculeP (~herc@ip-109-47-0-82.web.vodafone.de) |
| 10:57.41 | *** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@197.237.134.7) |
| 10:57.50 | *** join/#debian lsv (~nn@CPE84948c2eddc1-CM84948c2eddc0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 10:58.08 | *** join/#debian nibble_zero (~chatzilla@77.237.115.44) |
| 11:00.55 | *** join/#debian Putti (~Putti@unaffiliated/putti) |
| 11:01.13 | *** join/#debian SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) |
| 11:04.40 | *** join/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:05.37 | *** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 11:06.02 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 11:06.39 | ryonaloli | can someone help me get udev on jessie installed, using jessie-backports? |
| 11:07.04 | ryonaloli | or actually, simply forcing udev to install should be enough, since grsec has the config options udev demands |
| 11:08.04 | *** part/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:08.06 | *** join/#debian rsx (~dummy@ppp-93-104-41-171.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 11:09.34 | *** join/#debian Silvering (~textual@35.206.136.88.rev.sfr.net) |
| 11:10.00 | ryonaloli | i tried creating /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade, as i saw on a mailing list, but this did not work |
| 11:10.22 | *** join/#debian Brigo (~Brigo@164.11.60.178.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com) |
| 11:11.45 | Silvering | Hi everyone! I just started my dedicated server running on debian 8 ! A wordpress website is running, and I'm trying to deploy a django project. The WP website is working fine, but the impossible to access to django website. nginx and apache are running on this server : netstat -tlpn returns : https://gist.github.com/Silvering/c20f5f6f88bcd84ee9cc9fdc023c00f1 |
| 11:13.02 | Silvering | I followed this tutorial https://gist.github.com/ravidsrk/8431321 |
| 11:14.12 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 11:14.22 | *** join/#debian nikoma (~nikoma@ip4-95-82-164-56.cust.nbox.cz) |
| 11:15.03 | *** join/#debian atralheaven (~atrlhvn@37.48.90.208) |
| 11:15.22 | ryonaloli | even using dpkg --force-all -i on the udev .deb doesn't work |
| 11:15.25 | *** join/#debian careta (~botto@5ED794B8.cm-7-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 11:16.58 | *** join/#debian Phryq (~Phryq_@88.230.250.28) |
| 11:17.25 | atralheaven | does ubuntu stable use grub2 or 1? |
| 11:17.29 | *** join/#debian MaBunny (~Peter@117.194.198.15) |
| 11:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1665] by debhelper |
| 11:18.14 | *** join/#debian flugger (~flugger@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/flugger) |
| 11:19.03 | ryonaloli | try #ubuntu |
| 11:19.30 | abrotman | ryonaloli: what's the full package name of the udev package you're trying to install? |
| 11:19.57 | ryonaloli | abrotman: udev_230-7~bpo8+2_amd64.deb (for the deb file) |
| 11:20.06 | *** join/#debian foocraft (~foocraft@unaffiliated/foocraft) |
| 11:20.54 | atralheaven | oh sorry I meant debian :D because I asked same question on ubuntu channel, it mixed up |
| 11:20.55 | ryonaloli | i'm going to reboot into a kernel soon that has the config options it requires, but right now, i'm on a kernel which does not. unfortunately, in order to install said kernel, that udev must be installed. |
| 11:21.13 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 11:21.22 | atralheaven | ubuntu stable :)) I meant debian stable! |
| 11:22.40 | abrotman | atralheaven: grub2 by default on Jessie |
| 11:23.57 | ryonaloli | abrotman: so i just need to force it to ignore the kernel configuration checks, and i should be good to go. |
| 11:24.12 | abrotman | why? what's wrong with your kernel |
| 11:24.12 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:24.45 | ryonaloli | abrotman: the kernel does not support CONFIG_FHANDLE, which the udev my new kernel requires. |
| 11:25.01 | ryonaloli | so in order to install the new kernel, which does have CONFIG_FHANDLE, i need to install udev, which refuses to install without CONFIG_HANDLE. |
| 11:25.38 | ryonaloli | if i force the CONFIG_FHANDLE-requiring udev, then i will be able to install the CONFIG_FHANDLE-providing kernel, and i can reboot into a consistent and happy system. |
| 11:27.17 | *** join/#debian xmnemonic (~xmnemonic@public-gprs170819.centertel.pl) |
| 11:27.32 | *** join/#debian format_c (~format_c@2001:4dd0:ff00:8421:8802:8e51:81f7:6901) |
| 11:27.49 | *** join/#debian xmnemonic (~xmnemonic@public-gprs170819.centertel.pl) |
| 11:28.26 | *** join/#debian RickXy (~zncadmin@115.99.96.75) |
| 11:29.02 | ryonaloli | i don't get why dpkg --force-all -i wouldn't work though. i'd think that should force it even if the kernel config checks fail. |
| 11:29.42 | tom99 | what does the ~bpo8 mean? |
| 11:30.52 | babilen | It means that it is a backport for jessie |
| 11:31.20 | *** join/#debian shinnya (~shinnya@245.144.137.133.dy.bbexcite.jp) |
| 11:31.27 | babilen | ryonaloli: What happened to your udev in the first place? |
| 11:31.44 | ryonaloli | babilen: installing grsecurity wants to bring in a backported udev |
| 11:31.46 | ryonaloli | apparently |
| 11:31.58 | babilen | Yes, I said that would happen |
| 11:32.11 | ryonaloli | does debian have an equivalent of gentoo's package.mask? |
| 11:32.26 | tom99 | babilen: backports only go from the next version up right? so a bpo8 would mean it's from stretch, a bpo7 would mean it's from jessie but FOR wheezy? |
| 11:32.27 | ryonaloli | to mask and disable a package? |
| 11:32.39 | babilen | ryonaloli: So you are using the stock jessie kernel right now and you can't install the backports grsec kernel package from jessie-backports? |
| 11:32.49 | ryonaloli | babilen: correct. |
| 11:33.12 | babilen | tom99: That would be correct (there are, however, also sloppy backports from stretch to wheezy) |
| 11:33.13 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.212.26) |
| 11:33.19 | ryonaloli | because the stock jessie kernel does not have a config option which the jessie-backports grsec kernel's dependency needs. |
| 11:33.25 | tom99 | babilen: right, thanks |
| 11:33.41 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 11:34.08 | babilen | ryonaloli: So, could you show me the output of "dpkg -l|grep linux-image" along with that of "apt -t jessie-backports install linux-image-grsec-amd64" on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 11:34.23 | abrotman | ryonaloli: why aren't you using the Debian kernel? |
| 11:34.49 | ryonaloli | abrotman: currently i am. i would like to install the grsecurity kernel (which is the debian kernel, with additional patches) |
| 11:35.24 | abrotman | thought grsec was kind of dead .. |
| 11:35.51 | *** join/#debian teraflops (~teraflops@mysticemporium.xyz) |
| 11:35.58 | babilen | That was my impression too, but I haven't revised that impression in quite a while |
| 11:35.58 | *** join/#debian [1]tom99 (~tom99@38.120.10.99) |
| 11:36.17 | ryonaloli | https://paste.debian.net/825939/ |
| 11:36.21 | ryonaloli | why would grsec be dead? |
| 11:36.26 | ryonaloli | it's still very active and updated frequently |
| 11:36.39 | *** join/#debian MaBunny (~Peter@117.194.207.196) |
| 11:36.42 | *** join/#debian booty (~booty@185.67.177.203) |
| 11:36.43 | babilen | Okay, good |
| 11:37.09 | babilen | ryonaloli: What does "uname -a" give you? |
| 11:37.23 | ryonaloli | Linux server.domain.com 4.3.0 #1 SMP Tue Nov 3 20:39:07 MSK 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:37.42 | [1]tom99 | is there any reason to use sed when perl or python can always do the same tasks? |
| 11:37.51 | babilen | ryonaloli: Is this a virtual machine/VPS ? |
| 11:37.52 | teraflops | nice hostname :P |
| 11:38.01 | ryonaloli | babilen: it is |
| 11:38.17 | ryonaloli | a vps |
| 11:39.22 | [1]tom99 | i'm going to read the debian handbook and i wondered which of the tools are that important to know |
| 11:39.27 | [1]tom99 | sed,awk,etc |
| 11:39.28 | babilen | ryonaloli: Could it be OpenVZ? |
| 11:39.32 | ryonaloli | babilen: kvm |
| 11:39.40 | *** join/#debian urchin_ (~urchin@89.17.22.228) |
| 11:39.47 | ryonaloli | i could not install a new kernel on an openvz system |
| 11:39.59 | babilen | ryonaloli: Well, that kernel isn't a Debian kernel and you seem to be using some bastardised image there... in fact you don't have a single Debian kernel package installed. |
| 11:40.18 | babilen | Yes, it doesn't surprise me that it didn't work on OpenVZ |
| 11:40.23 | ryonaloli | well it's "QEMU Virtual CPU version 2.3.0" |
| 11:40.28 | ryonaloli | certainly not openvz |
| 11:40.37 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (chris@2001:470:4b:38f:a634:d9ff:feed:eb30) |
| 11:40.40 | babilen | So, where's that 4.3 kernel from? |
| 11:40.40 | *** join/#debian Urchin[emacs] (~user@unaffiliated/urchin) |
| 11:40.40 | ryonaloli | and i bought a kvm image. in fact, i upgraded recently from a 3.x kernel to 4.x |
| 11:40.52 | babilen | dpkg: show sources.list |
| 11:40.52 | dpkg | Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 11:41.00 | babilen | ryonaloli: humour us ^ :) |
| 11:41.06 | *** join/#debian Richard_Cavell (uid165693@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jrccbsweijaflpxg) |
| 11:41.59 | ryonaloli | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d916b25e/ |
| 11:42.07 | babilen | Oh, and "dpkg -l udev|tail -n1" |
| 11:42.20 | ryonaloli | that gives "ic udev 175-7.2 amd64 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon" |
| 11:42.29 | babilen | ryonaloli: line 22 is problematic |
| 11:42.36 | *** join/#debian Urchin (~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin) |
| 11:42.48 | *** join/#debian RickXy (~zncadmin@115.99.96.75) |
| 11:42.59 | babilen | ryonaloli: That's a *severely* outdated udev version. Could it be that you upgraded that VPS from an older Debian release? |
| 11:43.17 | ryonaloli | babilen: yes. i asked my vps provider for debian 8. then checked debian_release, and it was 7.11 |
| 11:43.21 | babilen | (re: line 22, don't use 'stable' but codenames) |
| 11:43.40 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 11:43.57 | babilen | ryonaloli: You have to ugprade properly to jessie first and the output of https://paste.debian.net/825939/ on line 2 even suggests hints of lenny |
| 11:44.01 | babilen | judd: v udev |
| 11:44.02 | judd | Package: udev on amd64 -- wheezy: 175-7.2; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 215-17+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 231-4; sid: 231-6 |
| 11:44.47 | ryonaloli | (oh it says xen, thought i bought kvm, oops) |
| 11:44.50 | babilen | ryonaloli: I'd start by upgrading to jessie and installing the stock jessie kernel ... |
| 11:45.05 | babilen | ryonaloli: Is it PV or HVM ? |
| 11:45.05 | ryonaloli | babilen: when i looked in the lists, it said wheezy |
| 11:45.15 | babilen | Well ., it's a clusterfuck |
| 11:45.25 | *** join/#debian shiin (~shiin@unaffiliated/shiintoryuu) |
| 11:45.47 | *** join/#debian towo` (~towo@unaffiliated/towo/x-4064351) |
| 11:45.49 | ryonaloli | dunno if it's PV or HVM. would that be visible in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 11:45.49 | babilen | It might very well boot from a kernel and VM that resides outside the VM |
| 11:45.52 | ryonaloli | or lspci? |
| 11:46.20 | shiin | I accidentally installed Linux vmm 4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64 when I only wanted the version without grsec. It was to fix a bug in the module for the intel e1000 network card. How do I install the non-grsec version of 4.6.0? |
| 11:46.50 | ryonaloli | gah, and here someone *accidentally* installed grsec. i have no luck today. |
| 11:47.57 | shiin | I have been fretting over having to update the kernel since it's a root server I like to rely on, but occasionally the driver just dies and doesn't recover. |
| 11:48.18 | babilen | ryonaloli: Talk to your VPS provider .. I guess that they are using pygrub and that they just have you boot an external kernel. |
| 11:48.20 | shiin | So what I did was sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-4.6 |
| 11:48.56 | *** join/#debian bony (~quassel@183.82.103.58) |
| 11:48.57 | *** join/#debian bony (~quassel@swecha/bony) |
| 11:49.00 | *** join/#debian doc_solitude (~textual@p5B046866.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:49.03 | babilen | shiin: That package doesn't exist |
| 11:49.33 | babilen | judd: v linux-image-amd64 |
| 11:49.34 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.6+74~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.6+74; sid: 4.7+75 |
| 11:49.47 | *** join/#debian GandalfTheWizard (~Emma@112.10.170.31) |
| 11:49.49 | ryonaloli | babilen: i can't easily talk to them. they're russian and speak very little english. about the most i can say is "please reinstall" and such. even if they boot into an external kernel, it still ends up booting into the kernel i want them to, since it's not booting into that xen kernel. |
| 11:50.20 | ryonaloli | when i first got the server, it had linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 as the kernel, rather than the xen ones. |
| 11:50.30 | *** join/#debian neurot (~neurosis@162.216.46.126) |
| 11:50.40 | *** join/#debian mike42 (~mike@wikipedia/MichaelBillington) |
| 11:50.53 | ryonaloli | (the xen ones might be there to assist them with debugging, if they have to enter my server to manage it) |
| 11:50.56 | babilen | ryonaloli: Well, I don't know how I can help you. Your VPS needs help from your hoster. |
| 11:51.04 | *** join/#debian crash_ (~pi@81-224-101-125-no186.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 11:51.10 | *** join/#debian [1]tom99 (~tom99@38.120.10.99) |
| 11:51.10 | shiin | babilen: this is exactly the command I entered |
| 11:51.14 | babilen | judd: v linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64. |
| 11:51.15 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64.' was found in amd64. |
| 11:51.26 | ryonaloli | babilen: wouldn't it be enough if i could force installation of udev? i do after all end up booting into the kernel present in /boot/vmlinuz |
| 11:51.40 | ryonaloli | so i don't see why having grsec there, and udev installed would not work for me. |
| 11:51.40 | babilen | shiin: You could install linux-image-amd64 from jessie-backports |
| 11:51.51 | *** join/#debian Silvering (~textual@35.206.136.88.rev.sfr.net) |
| 11:52.02 | *** join/#debian marijnfs (~smuxi@524A9C43.cm-4-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 11:52.17 | *** join/#debian GJ_ (~Thunderbi@88.159.120.241) |
| 11:52.23 | ryonaloli | alternatively, i could kexec into the kernel, if i can't boot into it normally. |
| 11:52.29 | *** join/#debian flugger (~flugger@46.166.190.174) |
| 11:52.33 | babilen | ryonaloli: You definitely want to upgrade that box to jessie first before going further and you need support from your hoster to get a properly support kernel. The one you have right now is some ... well .. no idea .. |
| 11:52.54 | ryonaloli | babilen: well /etc/debian_version says 8.5 |
| 11:53.05 | shiin | babilen: Okay. Do I first uninstall the current one? |
| 11:53.51 | babilen | ryonaloli: That's just a file shipped in a single package .. it doesn't check the general system setup. Your system is not using a jessie kernel nor does it have the jessie udev version installed. I have no idea what else is wrong there and strongly assume that it is booted with pygrub into a kernel that has been defined outside. |
| 11:53.56 | babilen | shiin: You don't have to |
| 11:54.06 | ryonaloli | hm |
| 11:54.10 | babilen | shiin: In fact i would only remove it once you installed a new one and booted into it |
| 11:54.11 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 11:54.22 | shiin | Good point. |
| 11:54.29 | babilen | :) |
| 11:54.39 | ryonaloli | ok, then i guess what i'll try to do is mask the new udev, force grsec installation, and kexec into the grsec kernel. |
| 11:54.53 | ryonaloli | (as for the kernel being defined outside, it *is* in /boot) |
| 11:55.04 | ryonaloli | 4.3.0, that is |
| 11:55.09 | *** join/#debian brokency1le (~brokencyc@114.111.166.146) |
| 11:55.23 | *** join/#debian crazyadm (~bao@218.72.51.199) |
| 11:55.28 | babilen | ryonaloli: No idea where that kernel came from, but it is definitely not compatible |
| 11:55.43 | babilen | (nor has it been installed from a Debian package) |
| 11:55.45 | ryonaloli | huh |
| 11:55.56 | *** join/#debian crazyadm (~bao@218.72.51.199) |
| 11:56.01 | babilen | You have to sort out these issues first before even thinking about installing a backported kernel |
| 11:56.31 | *** join/#debian Lakii (lakii@czesiu.one.pl) |
| 11:57.02 | ryonaloli | then what about dpkg-deb to unpack the grsec package, so i can kexec into it? wouldn't udev then be ok with installing, since grsec has acceptable configs? |
| 11:57.39 | ryonaloli | then add something to a low runlevel which will kexec into the grsec kernel if it's not already booted |
| 11:58.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1677] by debhelper |
| 11:58.58 | babilen | Why don't you upgrade udev and install a proper Debian kernel for jessie first? What else if listed by "apt update ; apt list --upgradable" ? |
| 11:59.12 | shiin | I rebooted after installing that and it still picked the grsec kernel. I guess I have to reconfigure grub now? |
| 11:59.38 | babilen | ryonaloli: Forget about the grsec kernel and get that system into shape for jessie (I don't know what it is, but it isn't jessie) |
| 11:59.48 | ryonaloli | babilen: there is nothing left to upgrade |
| 11:59.49 | babilen | ryonaloli: And where does that 4.3 kernel come from? |
| 12:00.02 | babilen | ryonaloli: Sure, there is at least udev to upgrade |
| 12:00.18 | ryonaloli | udev isn't there to upgrade. it's pulled in only if i try to install grsec |
| 12:00.23 | ryonaloli | otherwise i have a perfectly compatible udev |
| 12:00.33 | babilen | ryonaloli: "apt-cache policy udev" |
| 12:00.37 | babilen | No, you don't |
| 12:00.40 | babilen | You have 175 |
| 12:00.54 | babilen | judd: v udev --release jessie |
| 12:00.56 | judd | Package: udev on amd64 -- jessie: 215-17+deb8u4 |
| 12:01.04 | babilen | Which is != 215-17+deb8u4 |
| 12:01.23 | ryonaloli | well apt-get dist-upgrade shows nothing to upgrade, and it's all jessie in my sources.list |
| 12:01.27 | babilen | And please run those commands and show me the upgrade |
| 12:01.31 | ryonaloli | i am |
| 12:01.37 | ryonaloli | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f904a194/ |
| 12:01.54 | babilen | Ah, you don't have it installed at all |
| 12:02.09 | babilen | How convenient .. when did you remove it and where does the 4.3 kernel come from? |
| 12:02.24 | babilen | So, start with "apt install udev linux-image-amd64" |
| 12:02.40 | shiin | Do I want to use grub-set-default? |
| 12:02.43 | ryonaloli | " udev : Depends: libudev1 (= 215-17+deb8u4) but 230-7~bpo8+2 is to be installed" |
| 12:03.01 | babilen | ryonaloli: Show me the complete command and output |
| 12:03.24 | ryonaloli | the issue was libudev1 already installed, i removed it and now the command is working |
| 12:03.38 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 12:03.40 | babilen | So .. and then complete the upgrade to jessie |
| 12:03.50 | babilen | Get it into a defined state and take it from there |
| 12:04.37 | ryonaloli | (why the hell would they give me a custom kernel and not just debian's kernel?) |
| 12:04.51 | *** join/#debian l3archos (~Icedove@unaffiliated/l3archos) |
| 12:05.08 | ryonaloli | babilen: can't get it into that defined state. udev requires CONFIG_FHANDLE, which 4.3.0 lacks :/ |
| 12:05.19 | babilen | Where is that kernel from? |
| 12:05.20 | teraflops | ryonaloli: container? it's kvm? |
| 12:05.25 | ryonaloli | babilen: how would i find out? |
| 12:05.29 | ryonaloli | it's just... there. in /boot |
| 12:05.33 | babilen | ryonaloli: By consulting your memory |
| 12:06.03 | babilen | That kernel wasn't part of a Debian release ever, so you have to have installed it explicitly |
| 12:06.04 | ryonaloli | babilen: my memory is that it has always been there, when i asked my provider to reinstall my vps, and give me debian 8 |
| 12:06.18 | babilen | If not .. we are coming back to "Ask your hoster for a proper image" |
| 12:06.21 | *** join/#debian moetuned (~Jean-luc@203.220.104.252) |
| 12:06.46 | ryonaloli | i suppose i could just manually put a proper kernel there, then. |
| 12:06.57 | teraflops | can you? |
| 12:06.59 | ryonaloli | since i really can't communicate with my provider that kind of information |
| 12:07.05 | ryonaloli | teraflops: i don't see why not. /boot is writable. |
| 12:07.06 | babilen | If the vm respects your grub config that is |
| 12:07.21 | ryonaloli | babilen: if it doesn't, i could just kexec |
| 12:07.23 | teraflops | ryonaloli: is it kvm? |
| 12:07.32 | babilen | If you can't communicate with your hoster you might want to use a different one |
| 12:07.53 | babilen | teraflops: Xen apparently (I guess it's PV with pygrub and a kernel from the outside) |
| 12:07.53 | ryonaloli | teraflops: i believe so. |
| 12:08.00 | babilen | teraflops: Probably some broken hoster image |
| 12:08.01 | teraflops | babilen: ah xen |
| 12:08.01 | ryonaloli | but a xen kernel is there, apparently |
| 12:08.06 | ryonaloli | it's not a container, at least |
| 12:08.41 | ryonaloli | and i can't really change providers. if i could find a provider with great customer support that did what i needed, it'd be a dream come true lol |
| 12:08.49 | *** join/#debian lowin (~lowin@151.245.92.100) |
| 12:10.02 | ryonaloli | but... i still don't see why i couldn't just force udev to install. it seems to me like that'd fix this issue and let me boot into the non 4.3.0 kernel. |
| 12:10.40 | ryonaloli | (or remove udev from the dependency list of either the grsec or jessie kernel) |
| 12:11.10 | ryonaloli | whether or not i boot via grub, or kexec |
| 12:11.33 | shiin | babilen: Can I please get your advice on setting the default kernel to the non-grsec version? |
| 12:12.07 | babilen | shiin: Did you install limux-image-amd64 from backports now? |
| 12:12.22 | shiin | Yes. |
| 12:12.54 | babilen | shiin: Did you reboot into that kernel? |
| 12:13.24 | shiin | I rebooted, but it didn't change the grub settings, so I'm back on the grsec one. |
| 12:14.24 | shiin | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/8b068283 I think I have to count these and then use sudo grub-set-default X and sudo update-grub2 |
| 12:14.29 | teraflops | shiin: just edit /etc/default/grub and change the GRUB_DEFAULT= value it starts counting from 0 |
| 12:14.38 | babilen | shiin: Did you manually select the non-grsec kernel? |
| 12:14.50 | babilen | (in the grub menu that is) |
| 12:15.03 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 12:15.06 | shiin | It's a server, I don't see grub when restarting it. |
| 12:15.18 | shiin | Like.. remote, in a data center |
| 12:15.36 | teraflops | shiin: just edit /etc/default/grub and change the GRUB_DEFAULT= value it starts counting from 0 ^then update-grub |
| 12:15.45 | babilen | shiin: Ah, yes, that makes a difference. See ^^ then |
| 12:16.22 | babilen | You could also remove the grsec kernel (but then you *have* to make sure that you have a working one installed) |
| 12:16.41 | shiin | Judging from my paste, I think I want to select number 4 then, yes? |
| 12:17.00 | *** join/#debian k000 (~k000@186.210.228.122) |
| 12:17.22 | *** join/#debian asterismo (~santiago@r179-25-173-212.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 12:17.46 | teraflops | shiin: which one do you want? from the paste I mean |
| 12:17.47 | ryonaloli | i'm going to finish work on this tomorrow. thanks for the help so far. |
| 12:18.14 | shiin | I had 3.16 (default jessie release) and wanted to update to 4.6 to fix a driver problem |
| 12:18.46 | teraflops | shiin: this one? Linux 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64' --class debian |
| 12:18.59 | shiin | After some google research I thought sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-4.6 would get me what I want, but it ended up installing grsec, and I didn't know what that meant. |
| 12:19.11 | teraflops | if yes, then it's "2" |
| 12:19.29 | shiin | Why the rt one? |
| 12:19.35 | babilen | shiin: You could set GRUB_DEFAULT='gnulinux-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64-advanced-08ac1f95-6e14-4416-9ada-2d6cb5324fe9' as well |
| 12:19.35 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (~agiofws@2a02:582:7cae:f200:d1af:1b3f:269a:6b46) |
| 12:19.58 | babilen | shiin: It starts counting at 0 |
| 12:19.58 | Romater | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.02 | Romater | hi |
| 12:20.23 | teraflops | shiin: im asking you |
| 12:20.44 | babilen | shiin: And the command "sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-4.6" should have just complained about the fact that that package doesn't exist |
| 12:21.16 | shiin | All I ever wanted was the normal version of 4.6.0, no grsec, and I don't know what rt means so that one likely neither |
| 12:21.40 | shiin | and "menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64' --class debian" seems to be the entry for that |
| 12:21.45 | shiin | which, counting from 0, is number 4 |
| 12:22.06 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 12:22.21 | teraflops | ok then |
| 12:22.38 | teraflops | just dont pick the recovery one |
| 12:22.42 | *** join/#debian krrishg (~krrish@103.235.198.50) |
| 12:23.14 | babilen | shiin: True, good catch! Set it to 4 or gnulinux-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-advanced-08ac1f95-6e14-4416-9ada-2d6cb5324fe9 then |
| 12:23.18 | *** join/#debian nse (~leo@189.1.29.103) |
| 12:24.23 | shiin | Okay good. |
| 12:26.56 | *** join/#debian firztspawn (~firztspaw@unaffiliated/firztspawn) |
| 12:27.47 | teraflops | shiin: remember to `update-grub` after editing /etc/default/grub ^ |
| 12:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1669] by debhelper |
| 12:28.30 | *** join/#debian altin_ (~altin@flossk/altin) |
| 12:28.38 | shiin | Aye. I learned that I have to edit /etc/defaut/grub and grub-set-default does not what it I expected. |
| 12:29.29 | teraflops | shiin: to be honest idk about grub-set-default I'm fine dealing with /etc/defaut/grub |
| 12:29.33 | *** join/#debian wonderworld (~ww@ip-176-198-123-154.hsi05.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 12:31.22 | *** join/#debian Van_Glorious (~Van@104.200.151.46) |
| 12:31.47 | *** join/#debian jemadux (~jemadux@unaffiliated/jemadux) |
| 12:32.22 | *** join/#debian julius_ (~jason4@dslb-178-003-133-059.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 12:32.27 | *** join/#debian graytron (~tero@a91-156-224-121.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 12:32.57 | *** join/#debian _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@92.176.142.156) |
| 12:32.58 | shiin | That didn't work either. |
| 12:33.20 | *** join/#debian thebrush (~Icedove@host170-55-static.2-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:33.38 | *** join/#debian OS-23213 (~OS-23213@bzq-79-177-160-16.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 12:33.39 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 12:34.31 | *** join/#debian booty (~booty@185.67.177.203) |
| 12:34.38 | babilen | What did you do and why didn't it work? |
| 12:34.51 | *** join/#debian dethos (~dethos@84.23.213.204) |
| 12:35.23 | shiin | in /etc/default/grub I've set GRUB_DEFAULT=4 and did sudo update-grub, then I confirmed the 4 showed up like cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep 'set default' and the 0 changed to 4 there |
| 12:36.18 | shiin | And after a reboot I'm still on 4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64 |
| 12:37.11 | *** join/#debian balor (~aidan@host81-157-19-45.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) |
| 12:37.53 | *** join/#debian f10_ (~flo@2001:470:52af:1:6dfe:4e8:627:1891) |
| 12:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1679] by debhelper |
| 12:38.03 | babilen | heh |
| 12:38.19 | babilen | You could try to remove them |
| 12:38.25 | babilen | will be back later |
| 12:39.28 | *** join/#debian py_per_pass (~Thunderbi@host109-159-53-3.range109-159.btcentralplus.com) |
| 12:40.45 | shiin | I'm trying apt-get remove linux-kernel-4.6 now. This must have selected all the 4.6 ones and got me into that situation. |
| 12:41.31 | *** part/#debian OS-23213 (~OS-23213@bzq-79-177-160-16.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 12:43.11 | *** join/#debian Evol (~nuwanda@179.232.8.250) |
| 12:43.53 | *** join/#debian navlys (~smuxi@87-231-23-206.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 12:44.11 | *** join/#debian graytron (~tero@a91-156-224-121.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 12:44.47 | *** join/#debian Noor_ (65dea282@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.222.162.130) |
| 12:45.01 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 12:45.29 | Noor_ | Hi guys |
| 12:45.35 | shiin | This is awful. I thought I was prepared. I thought it through and did long google research and hesitated for weeks. This is what you get for messing with kernel versions. |
| 12:45.38 | *** join/#debian MaBunny (~Peter@117.194.207.196) |
| 12:49.17 | *** join/#debian balor (~aidan@host81-157-19-45.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) |
| 12:52.04 | *** join/#debian MoonkYang (~moonkyang@de.bbido.com.yang.red) |
| 12:53.14 | *** join/#debian f10 (~flo@2001:470:52af:1:79ca:e294:48d0:1603) |
| 12:54.59 | *** join/#debian level7_ (~quassel@31.44.17.250) |
| 12:55.32 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 12:55.34 | *** join/#debian bao_ (~bao@218.72.51.199) |
| 12:56.34 | *** join/#debian rudi_s (~simon@ruderich.eu) |
| 12:58.03 | *** join/#debian cyberwolf (~unknown@h109-187-25-28.dyn.bashtel.ru) |
| 12:58.14 | *** join/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 12:58.41 | *** join/#debian cyberwolf (~unknown@h109-187-25-28.dyn.bashtel.ru) |
| 13:00.43 | *** join/#debian acidfu_ (~acidfoo@24-212-247-227.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 13:00.44 | *** join/#debian Noor_ (65dea282@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.222.162.130) |
| 13:01.15 | *** join/#debian maotm (~mao@81.24.87.131) |
| 13:02.46 | *** join/#debian dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 13:03.52 | babilen | shiin: "dpkg -l |grep linux-image" should show all kernel packages you have installed. Take it from there |
| 13:04.26 | babilen | (and make sure to set default back to 0 .. still not sure why 4 wasn't respected (did you try the ID as well as suggested?)) |
| 13:04.40 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 13:05.14 | shiin | I've tried the number and the name of the menuentry, not the one you suggested yet |
| 13:05.58 | shiin | Typing the apt-get remove linux-kernel-4.6 command, I managed to get rid of the default and rt version, but not grsec. It asked if I'm sure and can fix the running system, said yes, but then it aborted. |
| 13:06.40 | shiin | Afterwards I reinstalled linux-kernel-amd64 and now there is 4.6 grsec, 4.6 and 3.16 in that order in the grub config |
| 13:06.51 | *** join/#debian r2ot (~r2ot@2a01cb0007e90100d06e6c48f365d30f.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 13:07.03 | r2ot | Hello tout le monde |
| 13:07.26 | shiin | Just in theory, what would happen if I tried dpkg-reconfigure linux-kernel-amd64? |
| 13:08.07 | shiin | Oh, also, I tried grub-reboot too which seems like a temporary version of grub-set-default and it didn't work either. |
| 13:08.41 | shiin | I'm slowly getting an understanding of how grub.cfg is generated using /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d, but the latter still has a lot of code |
| 13:09.17 | *** join/#debian kadiro__ (~kadiro@unaffiliated/kadiro) |
| 13:09.23 | *** join/#debian CutMeOwnThroat (~k@unaffiliated/iridos) |
| 13:09.31 | *** join/#debian towo` (~towo@unaffiliated/towo/x-4064351) |
| 13:09.45 | *** part/#debian ghostux (~r2ot@2a01cb0007e90100d06e6c48f365d30f.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 13:09.53 | *** join/#debian debkad (~kadiro@unaffiliated/kadiro) |
| 13:10.50 | *** join/#debian Gabs5807 (~Gabriel@p5B35369D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:11.18 | *** join/#debian debkad (~kadiro@unaffiliated/kadiro) |
| 13:11.58 | *** join/#debian awhitlock8 (~awhitlock@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 13:12.31 | shiin | How do I know if/when next_entry is not empty string during boot. If it isn't, and it normally shouldn't be, it uses the set default value I configured in /etc/default/grub |
| 13:13.10 | *** join/#debian Cubby (~Cubby@172.56.5.234) |
| 13:14.15 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.212.26) |
| 13:14.40 | *** join/#debian teapot41 (~teapot41@unaffiliated/teapot41) |
| 13:14.49 | shiin | Oh. I think grub-editenv list tells me whats declared. |
| 13:15.32 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 13:15.49 | *** join/#debian teapot41 (~teapot41@unaffiliated/teapot41) |
| 13:16.56 | babilen | shiin: So, what does "dpkg -l|grep linux-image" give you now? |
| 13:17.06 | *** join/#debian esa_ (~esa@host194-169-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:17.29 | shiin | All but the 'rt' one are still installed. |
| 13:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1673] by debhelper |
| 13:18.49 | *** join/#debian Phryq (~Phryq_@88.230.250.28) |
| 13:18.55 | *** part/#debian LorD_n1c0w (~igorhenri@177.75.77.4) |
| 13:19.06 | babilen | shiin: You could remove those also |
| 13:19.14 | babilen | (not all of them, mind you!) |
| 13:19.38 | shiin | I want the normal 4.6, and I can't remove the 4.6 grc while I'm on it - the uninstall aborts |
| 13:19.49 | shiin | despite taking my prompt to do it |
| 13:20.05 | babilen | Could you show me? |
| 13:20.56 | shiin | I have another clue. https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Simple-configuration.html "If you set this to ‘saved’, then the default menu entry will be that saved by ‘GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT’, grub-set-default, or grub-reboot." |
| 13:21.05 | shiin | I haven't tried saved yet. |
| 13:21.38 | babilen | shiin: That's all being discussed in "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" |
| 13:22.02 | shiin | -bash: info: command not found |
| 13:22.13 | shiin | That was why I didn't investigate this so far. |
| 13:22.14 | babilen | But that would work also (we've used that to ensure that some boxes used the correct kernel when we rolled out updates on hundreds of them) |
| 13:22.20 | babilen | "apt install info" |
| 13:23.05 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 13:24.04 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.212.26) |
| 13:25.51 | *** join/#debian jmd (~user@de.cellform.com) |
| 13:26.18 | jmd | What's the quickest/simplest way to test that sound works ? |
| 13:26.28 | *** join/#debian Quatroking (~Quatrokin@50709814.static.ziggozakelijk.nl) |
| 13:26.31 | babilen | "speakter-test -twav" |
| 13:26.42 | babilen | *speaker-test |
| 13:27.22 | *** join/#debian tssid (~tssid@46-47-64-187.kazanluk.ddns.bulsat.com) |
| 13:27.26 | jmd | babilen: Ok. I hear nothing. How do I proceed to debug? |
| 13:27.43 | *** join/#debian treffnixAT (~somebody@83-215-144-70.hage.dyn.salzburg-online.at) |
| 13:28.06 | babilen | jmd: Are you sure you have ears? |
| 13:28.07 | babilen | ;) |
| 13:28.47 | babilen | jmd: There are so many ways .. a good first start would be to check the volume levels and channel muting in alsamixer and pavucontrol |
| 13:29.02 | shiin | Okay that saved option didn't work. Here is the list you asked for, babilen: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/20b5d4d1/ |
| 13:29.09 | babilen | "aplay -L" and "cat /proc/asound/cards" are other bits of information you can peruse |
| 13:29.21 | tssid | hey guys |
| 13:29.50 | babilen | shiin: So, if you purge the linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64 you should be fine, shouldn't you? |
| 13:29.58 | shiin | And this is what update-grub says: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7236bd9c/ |
| 13:29.59 | babilen | shiin: What kind of box is this? |
| 13:31.02 | jmd | Interestingly cat /proc/asound/cards lists only one card: Viz: ALSA |
| 13:31.27 | jmd | but speakertest -D ALSA gives an error "Unknown PCM ALSA" |
| 13:31.44 | shiin | babilen: https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex41s |
| 13:33.30 | shiin | Actually the purge worked now. I confused yes and no earlier. |
| 13:33.40 | shiin | It asked to abort, not to continue. |
| 13:34.00 | *** join/#debian tuxopenwrt (~abhinav@burzum.noise.gatech.edu) |
| 13:34.39 | jmd | and yes, alsa mixer shows the card to be unmuted. |
| 13:35.02 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 13:36.34 | *** join/#debian nibble_zero (~chatzilla@31.45.252.103) |
| 13:36.56 | shiin | Now it's gone, and it booted correctly into 4.6 |
| 13:36.57 | *** join/#debian jak2000 (~jak2000@189.244.198.98) |
| 13:37.06 | shiin | phew. |
| 13:37.29 | shiin | Thank you for your help, babilen, teraflops |
| 13:37.33 | *** join/#debian Phryq (~Phryq_@88.230.250.28) |
| 13:38.00 | babilen | shiin: Great .. still not sure why apt didn't complain about the missing package |
| 13:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1667] by debhelper |
| 13:38.37 | *** join/#debian somebody (~somebody@83-215-144-70.hage.dyn.salzburg-online.at) |
| 13:39.19 | *** join/#debian hexadecimal (~hexadecim@unaffiliated/hexadecimal) |
| 13:39.27 | *** join/#debian ivo_ (~ivo@unaffiliated/ivo/x-7575225) |
| 13:41.02 | *** join/#debian eject_ck (~eject_ck@eject-1-pt.tunnel.tserv11.ams1.ipv6.he.net) |
| 13:41.13 | shiin | You mean my initial install command? |
| 13:41.15 | *** join/#debian holier-than-thou (~o@2a00:4802:3af:9800:1cb7:717e:b442:392e) |
| 13:41.22 | shiin | I think it just selected all the packages that matched the name |
| 13:41.59 | *** join/#debian edaught (~edaught@121.233.185.81.rev.sfr.net) |
| 13:42.24 | *** join/#debian edaught (~edaught@121.233.185.81.rev.sfr.net) |
| 13:44.09 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 13:47.05 | babilen | shiin: It doesn't normally do that .. do you have some "nice" extensions installed such as auto-apt? |
| 13:47.41 | shiin | I am not aware of such. |
| 13:47.47 | *** join/#debian nebg_ (~nebg@93-35-253-193.ip57.fastwebnet.it) |
| 13:48.09 | *** join/#debian awhitlock8 (~awhitlock@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 13:48.58 | *** join/#debian Ansem (~Ansem@93-137-222-51.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 13:49.23 | *** join/#debian bobe (~bobe@port-92-205-91-243.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 13:50.35 | *** join/#debian Starky (~Starky@unaffiliated/starky) |
| 13:51.19 | *** join/#debian badiane (~badiane@cpe-24-193-80-159.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 13:51.37 | *** join/#debian c0ven (~IceChat9@CPE0018e7c853a0-CM00fc8daebef0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 13:51.38 | shiin | I think some grsec settings are still in effect. |
| 13:52.02 | *** join/#debian graytron (~tero@a91-156-224-121.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 13:52.58 | *** join/#debian altin (~altin@flossk/altin) |
| 13:53.52 | *** join/#debian Tom01 (~tom@p5DDFF8F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:53.59 | *** join/#debian crowleyman (~crowleyma@46.250.5.217.pool.breezein.net) |
| 13:54.20 | *** join/#debian Knaldgas (~pdj@home.knaldgas.dk) |
| 13:55.32 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 13:55.54 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.212.26) |
| 13:56.10 | *** join/#debian gl-prout (~gl-prout@197.158.78.162) |
| 13:57.00 | *** join/#debian surfist (~surfist@122.200.0.2) |
| 13:57.14 | gl-prout | hi guys, got a question about symlinks |
| 13:57.32 | julius_ | hi |
| 13:57.46 | *** join/#debian Raz0r (~none@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me) |
| 13:57.50 | julius_ | is there a headless debian image somwhere that gets its ip per dhcp and allows logins via ssh? |
| 13:57.58 | *** join/#debian cruncher (~cruncher@unaffiliated/cruncher) |
| 13:58.14 | shiin | Wait actually. I think I know what's going on. |
| 13:58.16 | gl-prout | if I create a symlink in my home folder for something on another partition that isn't automatically mounted, will it still link to it if mounted again? |
| 13:58.29 | julius_ | gl-prout, yes |
| 13:58.32 | *** join/#debian Raz0r (~none@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me) |
| 13:58.38 | gl-prout | thanks julius_ |
| 13:58.41 | *** join/#debian Noor_ (65dea11b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.222.161.27) |
| 13:58.52 | gl-prout | and does it use the same disk space? |
| 13:58.53 | *** join/#debian Jkessler_ (~Jkessler@garza.riseup.net) |
| 13:59.05 | julius_ | it does not use any disk space...very little |
| 13:59.11 | julius_ | on the partiton where it was created |
| 13:59.11 | gl-prout | roger that |
| 13:59.17 | abrotman | julius_: a live CD? or after install? |
| 13:59.19 | gl-prout | thanks |
| 13:59.32 | julius_ | abrotman, a live cd yes...bootable via usb |
| 13:59.32 | *** join/#debian cyborg-one (~cyborg-on@62.16.23.33) |
| 13:59.47 | abrotman | julius_: not sure if the liveCD does that, but live.debian.net |
| 13:59.48 | julius_ | abrotman, but without the gui....a server install |
| 14:00.05 | abrotman | it's not a server if it's a liveCD? |
| 14:01.19 | *** join/#debian Starky (~Starky@unaffiliated/starky) |
| 14:01.41 | *** part/#debian anuxivm (~anuxi@92.185.154.236) |
| 14:02.42 | *** join/#debian mtcj (~AndChat21@63-153-251-170.desm.qwest.net) |
| 14:02.50 | *** join/#debian manjaroCinnamon1 (~Manjarous@host-2-97-17-212.as13285.net) |
| 14:03.39 | mtcj | I have installed the binary fglrx driver and wish to return to the radeon driver. What steps do I need to take to do this? |
| 14:03.47 | gl-prout | ahahaha it didn't work out as I wanted, well nevermind |
| 14:04.37 | *** join/#debian Evol (~nuwanda@179.232.8.250) |
| 14:04.38 | abrotman | mtcj: how did you install it? |
| 14:04.41 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 14:05.40 | *** join/#debian d3fc0n (~forsaken@50-81-193-12.client.mchsi.com) |
| 14:05.49 | *** join/#debian GDiaX (Elite17712@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hvaxhkarjiulbnen) |
| 14:05.59 | mtcj | abrotman: I installed it by following the instructions on the ATIProprietary article on the Debian wiki |
| 14:06.21 | mtcj | Section 'Debian 8"Jessie"' |
| 14:06.33 | abrotman | mtcj: I'd think you could just remove the package it installed? |
| 14:07.29 | mtcj | I can try. However there is also a step where an Xorg server configuration file is created which I'm unsure if i need to address/undo. |
| 14:08.10 | mtcj | In particular I ran the aticonfig --inital command. |
| 14:08.31 | *** join/#debian SmearedBeard (~SmearedBe@unaffiliated/smearedbeard) |
| 14:09.27 | *** join/#debian RebelCoder (~Yuriy@cpc74579-lewi13-2-0-cust201.2-4.cable.virginm.net) |
| 14:09.40 | treffnixAT | 1 |
| 14:09.43 | *** join/#debian Al3xG0 (~unix@200-140-66-66.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 14:09.44 | *** join/#debian Al3xG0 (~unix@unaffiliated/al3xg0) |
| 14:09.57 | abrotman | mtcj: that's in /etc/X11/, one of the subdirs IIRC |
| 14:10.04 | abrotman | you can remove it, or move it out of the way |
| 14:10.24 | mtcj | Yeah. I think that's all that's necessary, and to ensure the radeon blacklist file is removed. |
| 14:10.41 | Guest | When will wayland replace Xorg in debian |
| 14:10.51 | mtcj | Guest: :( |
| 14:13.51 | mtcj | Are files in /etc/modprobe.d used if I modify the filename from *.conf to *.conf-out ? |
| 14:14.08 | *** join/#debian graytron (~tero@a91-156-224-121.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 14:14.40 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 14:14.48 | mtcj | Never mind, man modprobe.d provided me with the answer "Yes" |
| 14:15.09 | *** join/#debian krrishg (~krrish@103.235.198.50) |
| 14:16.35 | *** join/#debian Almtesh (~Almtesh@unaffiliated/almtesh) |
| 14:17.15 | *** join/#debian tej-kweku_ (~tej-kweku@41.66.220.94) |
| 14:17.19 | *** join/#debian kzimmermann (~kzimmerma@179.178.2.172.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 14:18.58 | *** join/#debian vertebrate (~james@109.255.29.192) |
| 14:19.05 | julius_ | abrotman, well..what do you mean with: after install? |
| 14:19.15 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.212.26) |
| 14:20.44 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 14:21.37 | *** join/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:21.53 | *** join/#debian cilly (pluto@unaffiliated/cilly) |
| 14:22.03 | *** join/#debian Akuw (~x@201.242.159.95) |
| 14:23.32 | *** join/#debian Al3xG0 (~unix@200-140-65-14.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 14:23.32 | *** join/#debian Al3xG0 (~unix@unaffiliated/al3xg0) |
| 14:25.06 | Gabs5807 | Guest: when there is a working x client for wayland |
| 14:26.20 | *** join/#debian morphis__ (~morphis@ip-109-47-2-87.web.vodafone.de) |
| 14:26.21 | Gabs5807 | most x stuff will not replace the x part by the wayland part in the near future |
| 14:26.46 | *** join/#debian puffymc (~puffymc@81.196.29.39) |
| 14:26.48 | *** join/#debian antgel (~topdog@IGLD-84-229-69-95.inter.net.il) |
| 14:28.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1676] by debhelper |
| 14:28.12 | Gabs5807 | therefor a x client is needed first |
| 14:28.44 | mtcj | Upon apt-get remove fglrx-driver and apt-get autoremove, moving the xorg.conf to xorg.conf-out and xorg.conf.original-0 to xorg.conf, and moving the radeon blacklist to -out the radeon blacklist was recreated |
| 14:28.50 | *** join/#debian brokency1le (~brokencyc@114.111.166.153) |
| 14:32.45 | *** join/#debian ryan57 (~ryan60@pool-71-185-28-237.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 14:33.46 | *** join/#debian amcorreia (~amcorreia@2804:7f5:280:2ea1::1) |
| 14:35.11 | *** join/#debian Phryq (~Phryq_@88.230.250.28) |
| 14:35.19 | *** join/#debian jemadux (~jemadux@unaffiliated/jemadux) |
| 14:35.33 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 14:36.06 | mtcj | Upon manually removing it and rebooting it I still found that lightdmn has very small text and and Cinnamon crashed upon login. The same occurred after apt-get --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-ati and -radeon |
| 14:36.34 | *** join/#debian Rephlexie (~Rephlexie@c-98-206-218-35.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 14:36.34 | *** join/#debian treffnixAT (~treffnixA@83-215-144-70.hage.dyn.salzburg-online.at) |
| 14:36.56 | abrotman | julius_: Are you going to install the system, or run it live? |
| 14:37.12 | julius_ | no install |
| 14:37.20 | julius_ | just a working system that booots from usb |
| 14:37.23 | boubou | ftp.ca.debian.org is in problem |
| 14:37.30 | boubou | i think |
| 14:38.37 | *** join/#debian Zvmdyv (~Zvmdyv@unaffiliated/zvmdyv) |
| 14:38.49 | *** part/#debian cilly (pluto@unaffiliated/cilly) |
| 14:38.56 | *** join/#debian balor (~aidan@host81-157-19-45.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) |
| 14:39.06 | *** join/#debian iflema (~ian@2001:8003:204c:c100:46:5ff:fec2:6725) |
| 14:40.00 | mtcj | julius_ do you need persistent files and configurations for that system? |
| 14:40.03 | *** join/#debian dethos (~dethos@87-196-80-92.net.novis.pt) |
| 14:40.24 | julius_ | would be nice |
| 14:40.28 | julius_ | yes |
| 14:41.46 | *** join/#debian dreki (~dreki@96-65-43-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 14:42.26 | *** join/#debian barteks2x (~barteks2x@host2165.robnet.pl) |
| 14:43.02 | *** join/#debian silverhom (~silverhom@c83-252-238-248.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 14:44.00 | *** join/#debian panta (~panta@h081217057026.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) |
| 14:44.06 | *** join/#debian wildlander (~wild@unaffiliated/wildlander) |
| 14:44.10 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 14:44.36 | *** join/#debian centrx (~centrx@pool-96-237-221-163.bstnma.east.verizon.net) |
| 14:45.50 | *** join/#debian GandalfTheWizar1 (~Emma@112.10.170.75) |
| 14:45.53 | *** join/#debian llucenic (~Thunderbi@rev-185-22-215-103.radiolan.sk) |
| 14:47.12 | mtcj | RomaterAway please turn that off |
| 14:47.18 | *** join/#debian balor (~aidan@host81-157-19-45.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) |
| 14:48.13 | *** join/#debian tgunr (~davec@cpe-76-173-81-182.hawaii.res.rr.com) |
| 14:48.18 | *** join/#debian GandalfTheWizard (~Emma@112.10.170.75) |
| 14:49.34 | abrotman | turn what off? |
| 14:50.00 | mtcj | Afk Nick change |
| 14:50.38 | babilen | why? |
| 14:51.26 | babilen | We just don't want automatic away messages ... nick changes are ok if not the best solution (just set /away) |
| 14:51.44 | mtcj | Because it's unnecessary to spam every channel you're in with the nick change. /away is more than sufficient to allow people that actually care whether or not someone is currently available |
| 14:52.12 | *** join/#debian eject_ck (~eject_ck@eject-1-pt.tunnel.tserv11.ams1.ipv6.he.net) |
| 14:52.18 | mtcj | Yeah it's not a super big deal but nothing wrong with asking politely I think. |
| 14:54.02 | roger` | i agree with mtcj |
| 14:54.12 | *** join/#debian SlaGTaTs (~bilbo@cpc68385-donc11-2-0-cust226.17-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 14:54.30 | *** join/#debian nicdev (user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:4986) |
| 14:55.12 | roger` | that's why i hide nick changes on bigger channels |
| 14:55.37 | roger` | along with join/parts on almost any channels |
| 14:55.52 | *** join/#debian kernalogs (~jacko@cpc76564-dals22-2-0-cust445.20-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 14:56.02 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 14:56.40 | *** join/#debian treffnixAT (~treffnixA@83-215-144-70.hage.dyn.salzburg-online.at) |
| 14:57.27 | *** join/#debian bobe (~bobe@port-92-205-67-206.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 14:58.45 | *** join/#debian balor (~aidan@host81-157-19-45.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) |
| 14:58.53 | stoned | roger`: same |
| 14:59.01 | *** join/#debian SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) |
| 14:59.17 | stoned | rog http://i.imgur.com/ifgSK4y.jpg |
| 14:59.19 | *** join/#debian [1]tom99 (~tom99@38.120.10.99) |
| 14:59.20 | stoned | roger`: ^ |
| 14:59.23 | *** join/#debian ToBeCloud (uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree) |
| 14:59.25 | *** join/#debian dadoks (~dadoks@net-130-25-237-184.cust.vodafonedsl.it) |
| 14:59.41 | roger` | i have a bind on irssi so i can ignore them in a second when i open a new chan |
| 14:59.45 | stoned | I prefer a clean chat. I have never been interested in who comes and goes, quites, changes nicks, does mode changes, anything. |
| 14:59.52 | stoned | Lookit me shot |
| 15:00.11 | roger` | the background makes it hard to read imo ^^ |
| 15:00.21 | stoned | Not for me |
| 15:00.23 | roger` | http://imgpost.cf/irssi-1.png |
| 15:00.26 | stoned | My eyes are stoney |
| 15:00.36 | roger` | lol |
| 15:00.36 | stoned | It could be a song, even. |
| 15:00.38 | stoned | Stoney Eyes |
| 15:00.40 | stoned | ha. |
| 15:00.55 | stoned | There's nothing happeningin your terminal! |
| 15:01.04 | stoned | it's bland and boring! jk |
| 15:01.18 | *** join/#debian sydney_untangle (~sydney@supertux/sydney) |
| 15:01.27 | roger` | just how i like it |
| 15:01.32 | roger` | vanillia af |
| 15:01.47 | roger` | i can see you're on weechat |
| 15:01.48 | *** join/#debian fguillot (~fguillot@bas3-montreal42-1242353333.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 15:01.49 | stoned | \o/ |
| 15:01.50 | *** join/#debian CutMeOwnThroat (~k@unaffiliated/iridos) |
| 15:01.53 | stoned | Mhmm |
| 15:02.00 | stoned | I wsa on irssi for .. 12-13 years |
| 15:02.12 | stoned | Now I'm a trippy monkey on weechat |
| 15:02.27 | roger` | i like irssi, and i still use screen instead of tmux |
| 15:02.28 | *** join/#debian maa (~maa@5.224.40.82) |
| 15:02.29 | roger` | yea. |
| 15:02.36 | babilen | !ot |
| 15:02.36 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 15:03.02 | roger` | my bad |
| 15:03.13 | stoned | have you tried it? |
| 15:03.15 | babilen | I mean we don't have to discuss this for hours in the support channel now. Yes, away messages and whatnot are suboptimal and noise. |
| 15:03.29 | stoned | I recommend checking it out. I find it more useful now than irssi. |
| 15:03.35 | *** join/#debian learjet60xr (~learjet60@50-88-60-50.res.bhn.net) |
| 15:03.40 | mtcj | Hmm I still cannot return to pre-fglrx behavior on Debian |
| 15:03.43 | roger` | ok stoned |
| 15:04.17 | mtcj | As in back to the behavior Debian had when I used radeon |
| 15:04.26 | stoned | oh, that was a long time ago |
| 15:04.54 | stoned | That's when I had X1900XT radeon, radeonhd was the reverse engineered driver, I think, and amd just released the radeon driver |
| 15:04.59 | stoned | What kind of behavior are you speaking about? |
| 15:04.59 | *** join/#debian overlord_tm (~andraz@213.172.234.141) |
| 15:05.07 | *** join/#debian jpgepetto (~jean-phil@2602:306:c43a:1770:65c6:e58d:a045:187a) |
| 15:05.26 | mtcj | Fonts in lightdm are too small and upon login Cinnamon crashed |
| 15:05.45 | stoned | it's not the problem of lightdm, it's probably a dpi issue |
| 15:05.55 | stoned | find out what your X's dpi is set for |
| 15:06.02 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 15:06.08 | stoned | or just try startx -- -dpi 120 |
| 15:06.09 | stoned | or 96 |
| 15:06.20 | mtcj | Ok I did determine that Cinnamon will start in software rendering mode |
| 15:06.32 | mtcj | But I don't know that's ideal |
| 15:06.55 | stoned | mtcj: it's proabably not. cinn I don't know, but I'm guessing uses 3d desktop effects and transparencies and such? |
| 15:07.10 | stoned | And for that it needs properly configued 3d accel |
| 15:07.15 | *** join/#debian MoonkYang (~moonkyang@de.bbido.com.yang.red) |
| 15:07.25 | stoned | softrare rendering will absolutely lag you out, if you can even get it to function |
| 15:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1686] by debhelper |
| 15:09.50 | mtcj | Hmm well I was about to play a 720p video in Kodi acceptably, though the Kodi interface is laggy |
| 15:10.41 | *** join/#debian treffnixAT (~treffnixA@83-215-144-70.hage.dyn.salzburg-online.at) |
| 15:10.51 | mtcj | 1080p isn't acceptable |
| 15:11.31 | babilen | I guess the first thing to do is to actually purge fglrx and get hardware rendering with radeon going |
| 15:12.11 | *** join/#debian mvensky (~mvensky@2001:5b0:2b19:9e18:225:ff:fe4a:695c) |
| 15:12.20 | mtcj | I did purge, I will try the xorg.conf sections mentioned on the wiki |
| 15:12.31 | *** join/#debian yeats (~chris@unaffiliated/yeats) |
| 15:12.40 | towo` | you don't need a xorg.conf at all |
| 15:12.56 | towo` | and for help, providing the Xorg.0.log would be the best |
| 15:13.09 | mtcj | There are sections that can be added to increase 3D performance |
| 15:13.22 | stoned | paste the log and the conf. |
| 15:13.24 | mtcj | But I will provide the log before moving on with that at53?05 |
| 15:13.28 | mtcj | Attempt |
| 15:13.29 | stoned | ty |
| 15:13.57 | *** join/#debian antlarr (~quassel@85.137.124.240.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 15:14.08 | *** join/#debian hualet (~hualet@183.94.112.134) |
| 15:14.10 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 15:14.22 | mtcj | http://paste.debian.net/826136 |
| 15:14.22 | *** join/#debian Neo_ (~neo@opennic/Neo) |
| 15:14.36 | mtcj | No conf at this time |
| 15:14.49 | towo` | nomedeset as kernel command, radeon will never work propper |
| 15:15.34 | mtcj | I hadn't caught that |
| 15:15.39 | *** join/#debian mvensky (~mvensky@2001:5b0:2b19:9e18:225:ff:fe4a:695c) |
| 15:16.12 | *** join/#debian Falson (~Falsonn@85-23-164-165.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 15:16.56 | mtcj | Hmm the only file in /etc/grub |
| 15:18.00 | mtcj | .d containing nomodeset is 10_linux under a GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_RECOVERY= line |
| 15:18.13 | *** join/#debian cdown_ (~cdown@82-132-246-12.dab.02.net) |
| 15:18.13 | *** join/#debian chip_ (~chip@75-111-21-37.erkacmtk01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net) |
| 15:18.20 | *** join/#debian Dreaman (~show@77-85-43-237.ip.btc-net.bg) |
| 15:18.45 | *** join/#debian Dreaman (~show@unaffiliated/dreaman) |
| 15:19.37 | *** join/#debian balor (~aidan@host81-157-19-45.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) |
| 15:20.45 | *** join/#debian mvensky (~mvensky@66-87-69-112.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 15:21.20 | mtcj | May I add modeset=1 to the kernel command or the option "options radeon modeset=1" to /etc/modprobe.d/modesetting.conf to fix this? |
| 15:21.43 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 15:21.48 | *** join/#debian cat3 (~Cat3@188.130.155.154) |
| 15:22.39 | towo` | mtcj, what ever you do, nomodeset has to be removed from the kernel line in grub.cfg |
| 15:22.58 | towo` | and i can't believe on your system /etc/default/grub does not exist |
| 15:23.02 | mtcj | It's only in the kernel line for the recovery option which I'm not booting |
| 15:23.39 | mtcj | Yes towo` that file was the culprit |
| 15:24.22 | towo` | mtcj, your logfile demonstarates, you boot with nomodeset |
| 15:25.25 | *** join/#debian dontknow (~dontknow@unaffiliated/dontknow) |
| 15:25.29 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@72.168.161.11) |
| 15:26.13 | mtcj | While I did remove nomodeset option from that file it was still in the grub menu. I'll go lookup whether or not that menu needs regenerated upon config file changes |
| 15:26.29 | babilen | Did you run "update-grub" ? |
| 15:26.32 | towo` | you need update-grub |
| 15:26.41 | mtcj | Or I won't look it up. Thanks. |
| 15:27.31 | babilen | :) |
| 15:27.54 | mtcj | Thanks everyone who offered input. I believe I've successfully gone back to the radeon driver which appears to have perfectly acceptable performance. |
| 15:27.55 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.212.26) |
| 15:28.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1692] by debhelper |
| 15:28.06 | mtcj | Dunno why I felt the need to install fglrx-driver |
| 15:28.12 | babilen | Wonderful :) |
| 15:28.17 | *** join/#debian l3archos (~Icedove@unaffiliated/l3archos) |
| 15:28.33 | dontknow | can i take root privilege on android phone with debian? and remove bloatware |
| 15:28.54 | mtcj | :/ well Kodi wigs out now but I'll check with them to see if they know what's going on. |
| 15:29.35 | *** join/#debian thunderrd_ (~thunderrd@110.77.212.26) |
| 15:30.21 | babilen | dontknow: That's quite unrelated |
| 15:30.44 | dontknow | babilen, i took my chance |
| 15:30.53 | babilen | Ask in #android :) |
| 15:31.04 | dontknow | they wouldn't know |
| 15:31.32 | *** join/#debian dreki (~dreki@96-65-43-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 15:31.48 | babilen | Then #cyanogenmod or whatever .. |
| 15:32.07 | *** join/#debian LuMint (~LuMint@unaffiliated/lumint) |
| 15:32.24 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.212.26) |
| 15:32.28 | *** join/#debian idts (~lxuser@unaffiliated/tdis) |
| 15:32.29 | julius_ | mtcj, so any ideas for a debian usb system with persistent configuration? |
| 15:32.47 | LuMint | what's better - apt or aptitude? I've seen many people preferring aptitude over apt, but never understood why |
| 15:33.13 | mtcj | julius_ sorry for not following up |
| 15:33.27 | julius_ | no problem, im presistent |
| 15:33.39 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 15:33.42 | kingkong | qt5 is available for wheezy? |
| 15:33.52 | AimHere | The story I was told was that aptitude autoremoves libraries and dependencies which were autoinstalled by it, and apt doesn't, so aptitude is preferred |
| 15:33.59 | dontknow | babilen, but iam talking about with chmod or chown whatever |
| 15:34.34 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.212.26) |
| 15:34.46 | mtcj | http://syn.theti.ca/2013/06/22/tutorial-wheezy-live-iso-hybrid-with-persistence-on-usb/ |
| 15:34.59 | *** join/#debian noahfx (~noahfx@unaffiliated/noahfx) |
| 15:35.07 | mtcj | I believe a Debian developer wrote that post julius_ |
| 15:35.12 | towo` | dontknow, if you think, you can connect to an android device with debian and get root on thatg android, no, you won't get root |
| 15:35.39 | dontknow | towo`, yes i was talking about that |
| 15:35.43 | *** join/#debian Laserbreath (~ricky@71-86-161-78.dhcp.waus.wi.charter.com) |
| 15:35.48 | dontknow | but why |
| 15:35.54 | towo` | dontknow, then now you have the answer |
| 15:36.19 | *** join/#debian radia (~radia@exit0.radia.tor-relays.net) |
| 15:36.34 | dontknow | towo`, can not change folders privilege? |
| 15:36.49 | dontknow | and get root after reboot |
| 15:36.54 | towo` | no, because you have no root |
| 15:36.56 | mtcj | https://web.archive.org/web/20151026131356/http://live.debian.net/manual/stable/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours#persistence |
| 15:37.12 | towo` | dontknow, and again, it's absolotely OT here |
| 15:37.20 | mtcj | You may follow that instead of the link in the post which is no longer valif |
| 15:38.02 | LuMint | AimHere: yeah, that's the story I hears as well. |
| 15:38.04 | *** join/#debian gdot (~gdot@pD9FEDF91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:38.05 | LuMint | *heard |
| 15:38.18 | LuMint | AimHere: I'm not sure it's really true though. |
| 15:38.18 | mtcj | dontknow there are a lot of resources out there talking about rooting Android phones etc |
| 15:38.58 | dontknow | mtcj, i know but they sucks. requires 3rd party malicious software who knows what they are doing |
| 15:39.25 | stoned | #android and #android-root |
| 15:39.27 | stoned | good luck |
| 15:39.54 | LuMint | dontknow: there's an opensource rooting program though |
| 15:40.08 | stoned | go to the appropriate channel |
| 15:40.16 | *** part/#debian Laserbreath (~ricky@71-86-161-78.dhcp.waus.wi.charter.com) |
| 15:40.34 | dontknow | LuMint, what is that? |
| 15:40.40 | LuMint | why me, I just wanted to discuss apt vs. aptitude |
| 15:40.46 | mtcj | Don't know just so you know the reason why showing so-called malicious apps are necessary is because exploits are necessary to give you room access end times |
| 15:40.55 | dontknow | LuMint, best is apt-get |
| 15:40.58 | *** join/#debian neurot (~neurosis@162.216.46.126) |
| 15:41.03 | kingkong | i can not install qt5 with apt-get on wheezy? |
| 15:41.10 | stoned | kingkong: nope |
| 15:41.19 | kingkong | hmm. why? |
| 15:41.23 | stoned | kingkong: even stable as qt4 |
| 15:41.30 | LuMint | dontknow: the one used in cyanogen https://github.com/koush/Superuser |
| 15:41.30 | stoned | qt5 is in strech onwards |
| 15:41.38 | towo` | kingkong, because it's not available |
| 15:41.39 | LuMint | dontknow: why is it better? |
| 15:41.46 | iKarith | mtcj: gee that would've made what I was doing earlier in the week a lot easier. ;) |
| 15:41.51 | stoned | kingkong: you can maybe try to build it yourself, but that's a hassle. |
| 15:42.04 | dontknow | LuMint, i heard like that. i use apt-get |
| 15:42.05 | *** join/#debian amgarchIn9 (~amgarchin@p4FD60A1A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:42.22 | *** join/#debian noahfx (~noahfx@unaffiliated/noahfx) |
| 15:42.22 | mtcj | Stretch is always the next version of Debian right |
| 15:42.27 | stoned | No |
| 15:42.29 | stoned | Just this one |
| 15:42.35 | stoned | 'testing' is always the next one |
| 15:42.38 | stoned | Could be named anything. |
| 15:42.53 | stoned | #debian-next on irc.debian.org |
| 15:42.57 | mtcj | All my mistake thanks stoned |
| 15:42.59 | iKarith | mtcj: live with persistence--the means to install installer-not-yet-included disk tools and then run the installer after booting a system that knew how to set up the partitions on it. :) |
| 15:42.59 | stoned | !testing |
| 15:43.00 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 15:43.04 | kingkong | how can i install qt5 on wheezy? should i edit source to strech and update on it? |
| 15:43.18 | stoned | I would not advise oldstable to testing. |
| 15:43.21 | iKarith | All the bits are in jessie, but the installer doesn't know how to use them yet. :( |
| 15:45.00 | *** join/#debian toli (~toli@ip-62-235-216-129.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 15:45.18 | *** join/#debian SPF|Cloud (uid11755@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-afsiaynnqocrshea) |
| 15:45.19 | *** join/#debian SPF|Cloud (uid11755@wikipedia/Southparkfan) |
| 15:45.21 | *** join/#debian jamesl (jamesl@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ibnhziqudhmueahm) |
| 15:45.40 | dontknow | mtcj, i think i can do that. take root privilege and remove bloatware by removing their data files etc |
| 15:46.02 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 15:46.24 | jamesl | I've written a small shell script with 5 commands, when executed, all commands complete successfully apart from the last one, failing with "no such device or address". However, when I run "tail -n 1 script.sh | bash" the command completes successfully. Running script.sh twice still has the last command fail both times, so why does it work when executed by piping the command to Bash? This seems strange. It works on typing into |
| 15:46.24 | jamesl | the prompt as well, but never in the script. How to make it work in the script? I'm running debian 8 on a raspberry pi |
| 15:47.37 | iKarith | jamesl: what's your script? Pastebins are useful. |
| 15:47.40 | towo` | jamesl, as long as you take "your scrept" secret, no one will help |
| 15:47.49 | jamesl | hang on |
| 15:47.51 | *** join/#debian mavhq (~quassel@cpc77319-basf12-2-0-cust433.12-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 15:48.20 | jamesl | http://pastebin.com/raw/QuG5qAH9 |
| 15:48.24 | jamesl | all executed as root |
| 15:48.37 | *** join/#debian balor (~aidan@host81-157-19-45.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) |
| 15:48.42 | jamesl | last one fails unless typed in, is it something to do with environment variables? |
| 15:48.58 | jmd | How do I change the keyboard layout. (I don't intend to run X) |
| 15:49.11 | *** join/#debian mavhc (~mavhc@cpc77319-basf12-2-0-cust433.12-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 15:49.26 | *** join/#debian aaro (~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147) |
| 15:49.40 | iKarith | jmd: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 15:49.54 | towo` | jamesl, i would say it fails, because wlan0 is not up, because it needs some time |
| 15:50.02 | jamesl | okay |
| 15:50.07 | *** join/#debian anton02 (~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net) |
| 15:50.13 | iKarith | actually not quite |
| 15:50.20 | *** join/#debian kivf (~kivf@ARennes-656-1-194-31.w2-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:50.24 | jamesl | so a "sleep 3" before the last command shoud fix it? Hold on, trying now... |
| 15:50.35 | Rephlexie | missing '#!bin/bash'? |
| 15:50.52 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 15:51.12 | mtcj | Is there a way for him to wait for the WLAN to come up before moving on to subsequent steps? |
| 15:51.26 | *** join/#debian antgel (~topdog@IGLD-84-229-69-95.inter.net.il) |
| 15:51.28 | mtcj | I'm unfamiliar with the commands that bring up wireless interfaces |
| 15:51.33 | iKarith | jmd: keyboard-configuration, not console-setup |
| 15:51.49 | jmd | iKarith: Thanks |
| 15:51.59 | jamesl | mtcj, sleep 3 waits 3 seconds before moving on |
| 15:52.04 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.212.26) |
| 15:52.06 | iKarith | mtcj: a sleep or two might be useful |
| 15:52.52 | jamesl | didn't work, still get "no such device or address". Shall I try increasing the sleep interval? |
| 15:53.43 | mtcj | I was just wondering if those commands can be run in a way that mimics && instead of mimicking & |
| 15:53.43 | jamesl | didn't work with sleep 10, no such advice or address |
| 15:53.55 | julius_ | mtcj, let me see |
| 15:54.04 | mtcj | But it sounds like that's not going to necessarily help |
| 15:54.04 | jamesl | put && between each command? |
| 15:54.20 | mtcj | Sounds like maybe the network interface simply isn't being brought up |
| 15:54.39 | jamesl | "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up" is in there though, and gives no errors |
| 15:54.45 | iKarith | what does ./tx do? |
| 15:55.14 | jamesl | it's a raw data transmitter that needs the wifi dongle set up in a specific way. The preceding commands are needed to set it up |
| 15:55.26 | jamesl | ./tx is giving the error |
| 15:55.26 | *** join/#debian dreki (~dreki@96-65-43-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 15:55.32 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 15:56.21 | jamesl | someone asked in a forum once how to fix this error but nobody responded |
| 15:56.34 | *** join/#debian Ericx2x (~textual@209-6-43-2.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 15:57.30 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.212.26) |
| 15:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1699] by debhelper |
| 15:58.57 | julius_ | mtcj, theres a similiar blog entry here: https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/how-to-build-a-debian-livecd/ i will try that first, both are written for wheezy but hopefully they are portable |
| 15:59.01 | iKarith | jamesl: what I'm wondering is if you can somehow determine when the interface comes up and sleep 1 until it oes. |
| 15:59.15 | jamesl | cat script.sh | bash sent a few packets before failing with "no such device" error in less than a second |
| 15:59.46 | *** join/#debian ArchNoob (~ArchNoob@unaffiliated/archnoob) |
| 16:00.59 | iKarith | if your network conflagurator (there's about four of them in Debian) supports hooks and profiles, you might be able to define a profile that downs and ups the interface with the correct settings, then runs the command once it connects to the SSID you want. |
| 16:02.10 | jamesl | iKarith, this program can't run with a network conflagurator, you have to disable everything as this program puts the wlan adapter into raw mode, and the manager keeps trying to switch it back |
| 16:02.16 | *** join/#debian lethu (~lethu@unaffiliated/lethu) |
| 16:02.35 | jamesl | it doesn't connect to an SSID, just sends out raw packets like a radio transmitter |
| 16:04.05 | learjet60xr | I got a quick question, maybe related to debian or not. I run debian of course and I have tried to research on the internet regarding bind dns and apache. I am new to all that and I am trying to understand how apache communicates with bind dns. Do you guys have an article in mind that may help me clear the fog?. |
| 16:04.10 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 16:04.15 | jamesl | this may be a hardware issue, dmesg shows errors when the wifi dongle is connected, then "USB layer deinitialised" |
| 16:05.24 | LuMint | dontknow: from a phone? |
| 16:05.29 | LuMint | dontknow: that depends on a phone, hehe |
| 16:05.38 | dontknow | LuMint, from debian |
| 16:06.00 | LuMint | bloatware on debian? that's something new |
| 16:06.15 | LuMint | if you don't want bloat you go for netinstall and install just what you need |
| 16:06.24 | *** join/#debian luckman212 (~luckman21@unaffiliated/luckman212) |
| 16:06.28 | LuMint | or better still, debootstrap way |
| 16:08.56 | *** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@197.237.134.7) |
| 16:08.56 | *** join/#debian jerome_ (~jerome@AToulouse-152-1-20-188.w82-125.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:09.52 | kingkong | i changed source list from wheezy to jessie. after apt-get update and install specific package getting many extras. how can i just install the specific package without extra or suggest? |
| 16:10.16 | *** part/#debian jerome_ (~jerome@AToulouse-152-1-20-188.w82-125.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:10.27 | towo` | kingkong, you can't |
| 16:10.28 | iKarith | kingkong: apt-get dist-upgrade will try to be smart about the upgrades |
| 16:10.46 | iKarith | a lot of the new stuff you're getting are new versions of libs |
| 16:10.56 | towo` | kingkong, and mixing releases is a stupid idea |
| 16:10.59 | iKarith | And really, you don't want wheezy anymore. |
| 16:11.29 | iKarith | wheezy doesn't even have a web browser that actually works on the modern internet and gets security patches. |
| 16:11.34 | *** part/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:11.36 | iKarith | That's a big reason to upgrade! |
| 16:12.03 | jamesl | iKarith, Fixed! Fixed by adding the last command to my bashrc and enabling autologin. It's a kludge but works |
| 16:12.21 | jelly | iKarith: sure it does, firefox-esr |
| 16:12.24 | *** join/#debian amgarchIn9 (~amgarchin@p4FD60A1A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:12.45 | *** join/#debian jim_carry (~jim_carry@unaffiliated/jim-carry/x-1372289) |
| 16:12.55 | kingkong | i just want one specific package. i dont want upgrade others.i will return back jessie to wheezy. how to install specific package without extras ? |
| 16:13.26 | jelly | kingkong: don't do that, it's VERY easy to mess things up |
| 16:13.47 | jelly | which package and version are you talking about, kingkong? |
| 16:14.05 | *** join/#debian debkad (~kadiro@unaffiliated/kadiro) |
| 16:14.10 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 16:14.10 | jamesl | kingkong, you're trying to install a Jessie package, needing Jessie dependencies, on Wheezy. This will require A LOT of pckages to be upgraded to Jessie |
| 16:14.13 | *** join/#debian neurot (~neurosis@162.216.46.126) |
| 16:14.19 | kingkong | jelly: i want qt5 |
| 16:14.25 | jelly | kingkong: what for? |
| 16:14.25 | jamesl | you're basically upgrading your OS. |
| 16:14.37 | *** join/#debian debkad (~kadiro@unaffiliated/kadiro) |
| 16:15.01 | kingkong | i will not install other upgrades |
| 16:15.03 | iKarith | jelly: firefox-esr wasn't available for wheezy when I last upgraded away from it. |
| 16:15.21 | iKarith | in fact, it was a backport to jessie. |
| 16:15.35 | jelly | ,v firefox-esr |
| 16:15.36 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 45.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.3.0esr-1; sid: 45.3.0esr-2 |
| 16:16.07 | iKarith | glad it's there now. |
| 16:16.13 | petn-randall | kingkong: Mixing releases is not supported. Is there a reason you don't want to upgrade to jessie? |
| 16:16.17 | towo` | kingkong, what's hard to understan? it will install all depending packages |
| 16:16.25 | towo` | kingkong, you can't avoid that! |
| 16:16.39 | jamesl | why is there not any modern browser for Wheezy? Wheezy was released in 2013 and the modern web existed in 2013, so surely the web browser included with wheezy will work with modern websites? |
| 16:16.44 | *** join/#debian sec (~sec@unaffiliated/sec) |
| 16:16.53 | *** part/#debian sec (~sec@unaffiliated/sec) |
| 16:17.18 | jamesl | iKarith, why does wheezy's browser not work on the modern web? |
| 16:17.18 | jelly | jamesl: just explained there is one. |
| 16:17.38 | kingkong | my vps cant upgrade. need to start from zero |
| 16:17.40 | *** join/#debian sasukeskapa (~sasukeska@catv-89-132-97-31.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 16:18.13 | kingkong | ok towo` then not install it |
| 16:18.54 | *** join/#debian Wizek_ (~Wizek@catv-89-132-132-110.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 16:19.01 | jelly | kingkong: what is your actual goal? running some prebuilt qt5 app (which one?), or setting up a development environment, or building something from source? |
| 16:19.03 | kingkong | how to install qt5 for wheezy then? |
| 16:19.08 | *** join/#debian sasukeskapa (~sasukeska@catv-89-132-97-31.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 16:19.10 | *** join/#debian Ad1 (~Adrian@public-gprs383288.centertel.pl) |
| 16:19.17 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.212.26) |
| 16:19.42 | petn-randall | jamesl: You don't count firefox-esr as "modern"? |
| 16:19.44 | kingkong | jelly: build something from source required qt5 for some features |
| 16:19.55 | *** join/#debian dokma (~vlatko@188.252.164.75) |
| 16:20.11 | jelly | kingkong: you could set up a jessie or stretch chroot, and build in there |
| 16:20.19 | iKarith | jamesl: every page you go to from facebook to github to youtube to ... whatever ... told you that wheezy's versions of chromium and iceweasel are old and no longer supported. And indeed, the pages don't work right in many cases. That was one of my irritations since I work on RPis a lot as Raspbian was many months behind Debian switching over. |
| 16:20.57 | dokma | I've got some silly nonsense going on. I've bound this: /usr/bin/pactl set-sink-mute 1 toggle to XF86AudioMute in XFCE. It works only to mute. Once the sink is muted it will not unmute. |
| 16:21.05 | dokma | The same command works from the command line. |
| 16:21.05 | *** join/#debian jtecca (~user@c-71-227-152-145.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 16:21.22 | dokma | i.e. it mutes AND unmutes as expected |
| 16:21.40 | jelly | kingkong: which "something"? |
| 16:21.42 | *** join/#debian rosten (~rosten@cpe-45-48-9-161.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 16:21.43 | iKarith | jelly: I now do that for jessie actually. Both rem and shiro now run sid. *shrug* It was just easier in the end, and neither machine faces the world, so ... |
| 16:22.05 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 16:22.13 | debkad | dokma, my script contain: pactl set-sink-mute 0 toggle |
| 16:22.19 | debkad | i use xfce too |
| 16:22.32 | dokma | don't think that will help but let me try... |
| 16:22.53 | debkad | it help, it is 0 toggle and not 1 toggle |
| 16:22.58 | dokma | debkad: same thing... |
| 16:23.12 | iKarith | I kept wheezy on my Debian VM for development, but shortly after Raspbian went jessie and I found I was going to try and support wheezy a little longer, I just set up a chroot for wheezy. I've abandoned the idea, jessie is now required. Kept the chrroot building though. ;) |
| 16:23.12 | dokma | I need to mute the sink number 1 not 0 |
| 16:23.20 | dokma | but let me try as you suggest |
| 16:23.25 | debkad | check alsamixer first make everything ok, then try again |
| 16:23.44 | *** join/#debian dionysus70 (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69) |
| 16:23.51 | *** join/#debian grimsley (~grimsley@2602:306:319e:c390:59e0:f77f:daf7:5f98) |
| 16:23.58 | debkad | dokma, pactl set-sink-mute 0 toggle will switch to both, mute and unmute |
| 16:24.05 | dokma | debkad: yeah with the 0 instead of 1 it just mutes the first sink |
| 16:24.16 | dokma | debkad: it will, for the first sink |
| 16:24.22 | debkad | good |
| 16:24.23 | dokma | I need to toggle the second one |
| 16:24.28 | debkad | ah |
| 16:24.29 | *** join/#debian toli (~toli@ip-62-235-216-129.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 16:24.31 | kingkong | jelly: building quassel. where to set up jessie or stretch chroot? i will not need to start from zero then ? |
| 16:24.33 | dokma | thus the 1 |
| 16:24.35 | debkad | dokma, amixer in that case |
| 16:24.45 | debkad | two cards? |
| 16:24.54 | jelly | dpkg, tell kingkong about debootstrap |
| 16:24.57 | jelly | dpkg, tell kingkong about schroot |
| 16:25.17 | debkad | !dpkg |
| 16:25.17 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg was the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 16:25.53 | Guest | is dpkg even a person |
| 16:26.02 | debkad | is a bot |
| 16:26.02 | Guest | or is it someone else |
| 16:26.15 | *** join/#debian neurot (~neurosis@162.216.46.126) |
| 16:26.17 | iKarith | !dpkgbot |
| 16:26.17 | *** join/#debian Andreas33 (~quassel@2a01:4f8:d12:140f::2) |
| 16:26.17 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 16:26.27 | debkad | !dpkg, tell Guest about dpkg |
| 16:26.31 | *** join/#debian pasadinhas (~textual@bl8-95-94.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 16:26.42 | jelly | kingkong: anywhere you have enough free space, a fresh directory on the filesystem |
| 16:27.31 | jelly | debkad: you've just shown the factoid in the public channel, there's no need to tell them again in PM |
| 16:27.33 | iKarith | kingkong: I use /srv for that myself |
| 16:27.47 | dokma | debkad: with amixer I have the exact same problem... |
| 16:27.55 | dokma | it will mute but NOT unmute |
| 16:28.01 | debkad | jelly, my bad sorry |
| 16:28.24 | debkad | dokma, amixer -c0 for first card, amixer -c1 for the second ..etc |
| 16:28.25 | *** join/#debian patterson (~patterson@73.93.140.193) |
| 16:28.37 | Guest | dpkg told me to RTFM |
| 16:28.37 | dpkg | Guest: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:29.02 | iKarith | pats dpkg. Good bot. |
| 16:29.28 | dokma | debkad: no need for that param... it works like this from the command line: amixer -D pulse set Master 1+ toggle |
| 16:29.40 | dokma | but it does not work when I bind it to XF86AudioMute |
| 16:30.43 | *** join/#debian laidback_01 (~jax@70.33.20.90) |
| 16:30.44 | debkad | dokma, if you wish i can past my script, and you can make a keyboard shortcut to call it with XF86Audio buttons |
| 16:31.17 | dokma | debkad: you're constantly misunderstanding my prob... the command works from the command line |
| 16:31.24 | dokma | it DOES toggle the mute state |
| 16:31.38 | dokma | the only time it does NOT work is when I bind it to a key |
| 16:31.53 | dokma | and it only does not want to unmute when bound |
| 16:32.05 | debkad | dokma, i get that part, if you make a script it will work |
| 16:32.13 | dokma | I already made a script |
| 16:32.15 | debkad | my script anyway http://ix.io/1nND |
| 16:32.49 | debkad | you can call it like: mixer up , mixer down or mixer mute |
| 16:32.50 | dokma | let me try this one |
| 16:32.56 | debkad | depend on the button |
| 16:33.12 | dokma | voulme up and down already work for me |
| 16:33.12 | *** join/#debian cornbreadheadman (cornbread@rearend.org) |
| 16:33.17 | *** join/#debian Artox (~Artox@79.124.7.87) |
| 16:33.21 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 16:33.31 | debkad | you can remove the aosd_cat part or install it if you like to see it in the screen |
| 16:33.48 | *** join/#debian kiao2938 (~mj@46.128.154.166.dynamic.cablesurf.de) |
| 16:34.10 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 16:34.51 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip98-162-131-172.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 16:35.28 | *** join/#debian yeticry (~yeticry@183.160.6.32) |
| 16:35.44 | dokma | debkad: same issue with your script... |
| 16:36.03 | debkad | hmm |
| 16:36.07 | dokma | maybe XFCE does something itself when I press XF86AudioMute? |
| 16:36.28 | kingkong | jelly: i must ask my vps provider |
| 16:36.39 | debkad | dokma, be sure that key is not duplicated |
| 16:36.47 | kingkong | iKarith: whats /srv for? |
| 16:37.06 | *** join/#debian iWaldo (iWaldo___@unaffiliated/iwaldo) |
| 16:37.26 | dokma | debkad: it appears only once in Application shortcuts |
| 16:37.54 | jelly | kingkong: why? just put it anywhere you want |
| 16:38.24 | dokma | yup... I bound it to another key and now it works |
| 16:38.33 | debkad | dokma, what about xfce4-settings-editor under xfce4-keyboard-shortcut |
| 16:38.34 | dokma | something's up with XF86AudioMute |
| 16:38.34 | kingkong | jelly: its open vz vps |
| 16:38.56 | debkad | dokma, fixed? |
| 16:39.18 | *** join/#debian nikoma (~nikoma@ip4-95-82-164-56.cust.nbox.cz) |
| 16:39.58 | dokma | debkad: it works with another key but not with XF86AudioMute.... |
| 16:40.06 | debkad | ah |
| 16:40.10 | jelly | kingkong: so? |
| 16:40.18 | dokma | I'm looking for keybindings under xfce4-settings-editor |
| 16:40.20 | dokma | but I see none |
| 16:40.35 | debkad | dokma, i think it was binded to something |
| 16:40.56 | *** join/#debian nse (~leo@189.1.29.103) |
| 16:41.10 | *** join/#debian austin987 (~null@cpe-72-182-39-163.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 16:41.42 | *** join/#debian icwiener_ (~fs@kde/developer/schwarzer) |
| 16:41.51 | dokma | debkad: I'm still looking but can't find any other binding for that key |
| 16:41.51 | *** join/#debian sydney_untangle (~sydney@supertux/sydney) |
| 16:42.02 | *** join/#debian SpeccyMan (~nick@94.197.121.208.threembb.co.uk) |
| 16:42.35 | *** join/#debian nkrt (~nkrt@210.185.105.94) |
| 16:42.40 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip98-162-131-172.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 16:42.41 | kingkong | jelly: it uses precompiled images of systems |
| 16:42.55 | debkad | yeah i think you're right, mine also have no shortcuts for XF86AUDIO , it is something from another applications or part of the system |
| 16:43.09 | icwiener_ | Hi, I am trying out apt-offline with two Sid systems and have the problem that the files are downloaded but then result in 0 bytes files. Does anyone have seen that? |
| 16:43.24 | dokma | debkad: exactly |
| 16:43.28 | dokma | I'll dig into it |
| 16:45.16 | *** join/#debian Zzeiss (~wsy@dsl092-078-109.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 16:45.25 | jelly | icwiener_: ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:45.57 | icwiener_ | jelly: I will do that, thanks. |
| 16:48.25 | *** join/#debian jemadux (~jemadux@unaffiliated/jemadux) |
| 16:50.03 | *** join/#debian prx99 (~prx99@45.117.51.51) |
| 16:51.16 | *** join/#debian dimes_ (~primus@c-73-157-45-64.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 16:52.08 | *** join/#debian electro33 (uid613@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-okomiohidomqrkhm) |
| 16:52.33 | *** join/#debian Ad1 (~Adrian@public-gprs383574.centertel.pl) |
| 16:52.41 | *** join/#debian Nh3xus (~Nh3xus@unaffiliated/nh3xus) |
| 16:53.41 | *** join/#debian canopus (~canopus@unaffiliated/pierrot) |
| 16:53.43 | *** join/#debian wonderworld (~ww@ip-176-198-123-154.hsi05.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 16:53.51 | debkad | dokma, can you try this workaround? xfconf-query --create --channel xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts --property /commands/custom/XF86AudioMute --type string --set 'amixer -D pulse set Master 1+ toggle' |
| 16:53.52 | *** join/#debian _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@92.176.142.156) |
| 16:54.10 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 16:54.50 | *** join/#debian RTFM[away] (~RTFMaway]@unaffiliated/rtfmaway/x-3892344) |
| 16:55.31 | *** join/#debian ksft (~k@wikipedia/KSFT) |
| 16:55.38 | *** join/#debian random_numbers (~u28357398@unaffiliated/random-numbers/x-2839473) |
| 16:55.57 | random_numbers | Did systemd truly get an update recently or did my apt confs finally mess up? |
| 16:56.58 | *** part/#debian dimes_ (~primus@c-73-157-45-64.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 16:57.13 | somiaj | random_numbers: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:57.17 | *** join/#debian neurot (~neurosis@ip68-98-80-152.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 16:57.25 | somiaj | random_numbers: you can check th apt logs to see what has been upgraded |
| 16:57.47 | *** join/#debian Groscheri (~Dyonisos@unaffiliated/dyonisos) |
| 16:57.49 | *** join/#debian neurot (~neurosis@162.216.46.189) |
| 16:57.51 | *** part/#debian prx99 (~prx99@45.117.51.51) |
| 16:58.53 | *** join/#debian PryMar56 (~prymar@unaffiliated/prymar56) |
| 16:59.03 | *** join/#debian EagleRock (~EagleRock@ool-45771a29.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 16:59.56 | *** join/#debian fauweh (~root@ithaqua.unzane.com) |
| 17:00.10 | *** join/#debian gturner (~gturner@zoth-ommog.unzane.com) |
| 17:00.35 | *** join/#debian dadoks (~dadoks@net-130-25-237-184.cust.vodafonedsl.it) |
| 17:01.46 | *** join/#debian EagleRock_ (~EagleRock@ool-45771a29.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 17:01.49 | *** join/#debian lsyoyom (~liny01@unaffiliated/lsyoyom) |
| 17:03.22 | *** join/#debian l33n (~l33n@cblmdm72-240-151-87.buckeyecom.net) |
| 17:03.27 | *** join/#debian fguillot (~fguillot@bas3-montreal42-1242353333.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 17:03.35 | l33n | mouse turns into a plus sign, will not work, how to fix? |
| 17:04.03 | random_numbers | somiaj: I didn't run the updates yet in case it messed wiht my system. Also, the changelogs for a few programs like systemd are two days old, so I'm not sure why I'm only getting the upgrades today. |
| 17:06.16 | *** join/#debian DecayFX (~Denis@5.137.142.82) |
| 17:06.19 | *** join/#debian amcorreia (~amcorreia@2804:7f5:280:2ea1::1) |
| 17:07.28 | *** join/#debian remo (~remo@77.41.73.6) |
| 17:07.38 | *** join/#debian d0nn1e (~d0nn1e@cpe-75-183-8-113.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 17:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1706] by debhelper |
| 17:10.03 | *** join/#debian LNJ2GO (~lnj@x55b2d150.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 17:10.31 | *** join/#debian EagleRock (~EagleRock@ool-45771a29.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 17:10.36 | somiaj | random_numbers: what version of debian do you run? |
| 17:10.41 | random_numbers | Jessie. |
| 17:10.52 | *** join/#debian krrishg (~krrish@103.235.198.50) |
| 17:10.55 | somiaj | there shouldn't be upgrades that break things, only provide secuirty fixes. |
| 17:11.53 | random_numbers | Yeah, but there's nothing in the debian-security-announce mailing list, which makes me wonder if my mirror didn't just get compromised. |
| 17:12.16 | jelly | compromised but with valid gpg signatures? |
| 17:12.37 | random_numbers | Touché. |
| 17:15.20 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.212.26) |
| 17:15.25 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 17:15.44 | random_numbers | Is there a mirror that's particularly up to date? |
| 17:16.02 | *** join/#debian dethos (~dethos@87.196.80.92) |
| 17:16.46 | *** join/#debian lsv (~nn@CPE84948c2eddc1-CM84948c2eddc0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 17:17.29 | *** join/#debian pvoigt (~Linux@unaffiliated/pvoigt) |
| 17:19.40 | somiaj | random_numbers: they should all be up to date for jessie. |
| 17:19.51 | random_numbers | Huh. So those outside my country all seem to have the upgrades. Am I to assume local mirrors are unsafely out-of-date? |
| 17:20.39 | somiaj | random_numbers: give more specifics. What upgrade package are you expecting? |
| 17:20.56 | *** join/#debian ds (~zork@ip-228-226-107-190.nextelmovil.cl) |
| 17:21.06 | somiaj | random_numbers: i.e. what package do you think is out of date on the mirrors you are using? |
| 17:21.06 | *** part/#debian ds (~zork@ip-228-226-107-190.nextelmovil.cl) |
| 17:21.08 | *** join/#debian styler2go (~styler2go@v22015051823525655.yourvserver.net) |
| 17:21.14 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 17:21.40 | hicks_ | are you sure you didn't just get 8.7? |
| 17:21.49 | hicks_ | should be a few package updates with that |
| 17:21.55 | hicks_ | *8.6 |
| 17:22.00 | *** join/#debian fax (~fax@91-159-153-77.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 17:22.03 | *** part/#debian l33n (~l33n@cblmdm72-240-151-87.buckeyecom.net) |
| 17:22.49 | hicks_ | systemd was one of the packages that was updated as part of that. |
| 17:22.55 | somiaj | was a point release, just released. That could take some time for it to propagate across the mirrors |
| 17:23.10 | hicks_ | came out today https://www.debian.org/News/2016/20160917 |
| 17:23.18 | random_numbers | If I check in the US or Russia, 51 upgrades are available, including python, systemd, vorbis-tools, etc. My country's didn't have any. |
| 17:23.20 | somiaj | in that case, random_numbers should apt-get update and provide the output of apt-cache policy systemd |
| 17:23.42 | somiaj | random_numbers: I didn't realize a point release was just made. You may ahve to wait for them to propagate or use a different mirror. |
| 17:23.53 | random_numbers | Point releases? |
| 17:24.06 | somiaj | random_numbers: note if you use debian security or even proposed updates you may have many of the updates already isntalled |
| 17:24.09 | somiaj | !point release |
| 17:24.09 | dpkg | Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, incorporating security fixes and resolving grave bugs. You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade". See <8.5>, <7.11>. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases |
| 17:25.05 | somiaj | random_numbers: so after a while they pool all the security updates and other updates that are due to bugs (and sometimes add a kernel update with more hardware support backported) |
| 17:25.25 | *** join/#debian dethos_ (~dethos@87.196.80.190) |
| 17:25.27 | somiaj | random_numbers: this way when you install debian stable you don't have years of updates you have then apply after. |
| 17:26.16 | *** join/#debian AdrianLew (~adrian-le@105.6.50.60.kmr02-home.tm.net.my) |
| 17:26.56 | random_numbers | So apparently as I read the packages, yes, that's the update I'm getting. Thanks for mentioning it, I was worried. |
| 17:29.22 | *** join/#debian SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@177.130.132.27) |
| 17:29.22 | *** join/#debian SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) |
| 17:32.49 | *** join/#debian NoobsFlyingAway (~TCASMyAss@120.59.38.33) |
| 17:35.11 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip98-162-131-172.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 17:35.23 | *** join/#debian scream (~scream@unaffiliated/scream) |
| 17:35.32 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 17:35.49 | *** join/#debian andor2007 (~andor2007@cpc72039-pete10-2-0-cust165.4-4.cable.virginm.net) |
| 17:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1698] by debhelper |
| 17:38.54 | *** join/#debian djD3f (~forsaken@50-81-193-12.client.mchsi.com) |
| 17:40.42 | *** join/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:40.54 | *** join/#debian navlys (~smuxi@87-231-23-206.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 17:42.14 | *** join/#debian surfist (~surfist@122.200.0.2) |
| 17:43.23 | *** join/#debian chvz (~chvz@arl95-h03-89-89-53-184.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) |
| 17:43.31 | *** part/#debian random_numbers (~u28357398@unaffiliated/random-numbers/x-2839473) |
| 17:44.04 | *** join/#debian blommer (~blommer@pdpc/supporter/student/blommer) |
| 17:44.43 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 17:45.22 | *** join/#debian surfist (~surfist@122.200.0.2) |
| 17:47.31 | *** join/#debian austin987 (~null@cpe-72-182-39-163.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 17:48.48 | *** join/#debian Dyonisos_ (~Dyonisos@2a01cb00060ede0018257172654f40f4.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:49.22 | *** join/#debian tlab (~tlab@104.235.20.44) |
| 17:49.55 | *** join/#debian kiao2938 (~mj@46.128.154.166.dynamic.cablesurf.de) |
| 17:49.57 | *** join/#debian SmearedBeard (~SmearedBe@unaffiliated/smearedbeard) |
| 17:52.35 | *** part/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip98-162-131-172.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 17:52.43 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip98-162-131-172.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 17:53.02 | *** join/#debian awal1 (~awal1@199.241.132.84) |
| 17:54.11 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 17:55.40 | *** join/#debian multi_io_ (~olaf@x55b24f8c.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 17:57.40 | *** join/#debian chip_ (~chip@75-111-21-37.erkacmtk01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net) |
| 17:57.40 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 17:58.17 | *** join/#debian kiao2938 (~mj@46.128.154.166.dynamic.cablesurf.de) |
| 18:01.20 | *** join/#debian Lowl3v3l (~Lowl3v3l@ipservice-092-208-080-178.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 18:01.25 | *** join/#debian eMaks (~eMaks@a88-112-11-131.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 18:01.51 | *** join/#debian kiao2938 (~mj@46.128.154.166.dynamic.cablesurf.de) |
| 18:03.12 | *** join/#debian kiao2938 (~mj@46.128.154.166.dynamic.cablesurf.de) |
| 18:03.47 | grimsley | what's the normal turnaround time for a new release to get added to either stable, testing, etc. ? |
| 18:03.48 | *** join/#debian Richard_Cavell (uid165693@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rjiodapcfgcgzuwk) |
| 18:04.19 | *** join/#debian kiao2938 (~mj@46.128.154.166.dynamic.cablesurf.de) |
| 18:04.29 | *** join/#debian tlab (~tlab@104.235.20.44) |
| 18:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are no releases of testing, only of stable |
| 18:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | for stable, see yourself |
| 18:06.41 | *** join/#debian fguillot (~fguillot@bas3-montreal42-1242353333.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 18:06.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, release history |
| 18:06.44 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 18:06.51 | *** join/#debian fr4ncky (~fr4ncky@ALyon-656-1-709-127.w92-144.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1691] by debhelper |
| 18:08.12 | *** join/#debian lowin (~lowin@31.57.149.175) |
| 18:08.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | packages go from unstable into testing after ca. 2 weeks if nothing (bugs, bugs in dependencies) keeps them back |
| 18:08.27 | awal1 | grimsley, stable branch is released almost every 2 years |
| 18:08.42 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-457b9c30.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 18:08.59 | grimsley | sorry, mis-worded the question: If a piece of software say FancyProgram 1.0 is currently available in the normal, etc. repos and tomorrow the authors of FancyProgram 1.0 release an update/upgrade to say FancyProgram 1.1 is there an expected time for that update to hit the repos. |
| 18:09.21 | Spec | definitely between 1-3 years |
| 18:10.21 | *** join/#debian shinnya (~shinnya@245.144.137.133.dy.bbexcite.jp) |
| 18:10.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, first someone has to package it, too, and in a way that is accepted into repos… then it's basically in unstable |
| 18:10.23 | *** join/#debian CyberGabber (~CyberGabb@29-187-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl) |
| 18:12.08 | *** join/#debian Ad1 (~Adrian@public-gprs383518.centertel.pl) |
| 18:14.11 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 18:15.53 | *** join/#debian neurot (~neurosis@ip68-98-80-152.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 18:16.17 | grimsley | Thank you |
| 18:16.28 | *** part/#debian jamesl (jamesl@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ibnhziqudhmueahm) |
| 18:16.46 | *** join/#debian mastokley (~mastokley@71.35.179.178) |
| 18:17.01 | *** join/#debian Phryq (~Phryq_@88.230.250.28) |
| 18:18.37 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 18:18.39 | *** join/#debian amgarchIn9 (~amgarchin@p4FD60A1A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:19.13 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (~sphenxes@192-164-155-49.hdsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 18:19.47 | *** join/#debian maxcell_ (~maxcell@2804:7f0:a186:28::2) |
| 18:20.40 | *** join/#debian kmh (~kmh@planck.hamich.net) |
| 18:20.53 | maxcell_ | my installation needs non-free-firmware, how can i copy the firmwares to the USB stick if when i mount it it becomes read-only? |
| 18:20.59 | surfist | is rsync good at recovering from failed transfers, partial files? |
| 18:22.18 | *** join/#debian surfist (~surfist@122.200.0.2) |
| 18:24.20 | *** join/#debian overlord_tm (~andraz@213.172.234.141) |
| 18:25.06 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 18:26.01 | *** join/#debian dutchfish (~wil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/dutchfish) |
| 18:26.55 | somiaj | maxcell_: you have to put it on a different usb stick or you can complete the isntall without the firmware/network. And once you have a base system, copy the firmware over, get your network up and insatll the software you want. |
| 18:27.20 | *** join/#debian llucenic (~Thunderbi@rev-185-22-215-103.radiolan.sk) |
| 18:27.42 | maxcell_ | ok thanks somiaj im going to install the firmware since i finish the installation then |
| 18:27.45 | maxcell_ | cya |
| 18:27.58 | somiaj | surfist: yes (though I'm a bit unsure how it deals with partial files as in will it start where it left off or just redo that one file). Look at the man pages, there are lots of config options to control the behaviour |
| 18:30.42 | *** join/#debian dayten (~gnoid@185.3.32.71) |
| 18:31.26 | surfist | somiaj thanks |
| 18:31.27 | *** join/#debian kiao2938 (~mj@46.128.154.166.dynamic.cablesurf.de) |
| 18:32.02 | surfist | cp -vru won't resume a file once the timestamp changes |
| 18:32.16 | surfist | so the trashed file never completes |
| 18:33.35 | somiaj | surfist: I'm unsure if there is a better tool for large files. rynsc is good for file trees |
| 18:34.03 | somiaj | surfist: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/48298/can-rsync-resume-after-being-interrupted |
| 18:34.08 | somiaj | is probably better info than myself |
| 18:34.38 | *** join/#debian Elcivor (~Elcivor@46.166.137.238) |
| 18:34.52 | *** join/#debian jediraster (~jediraste@cpc94276-ward11-2-0-cust323.10-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 18:34.53 | *** join/#debian neurot (~neurosis@162.216.46.93) |
| 18:36.19 | petn-randall | rsync with --partial --append-verify is what you want. |
| 18:36.34 | petn-randall | ( + any other options you want) |
| 18:37.13 | surfist | petn-randall cool |
| 18:38.10 | surfist | I have a couple backup scripts that use cp .. but if something fails I get unusable partials |
| 18:39.24 | *** join/#debian socomm (~socomm@96-40-156-20.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) |
| 18:41.56 | *** join/#debian _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@92.176.142.156) |
| 18:42.13 | Guest | you can use scp over ssh |
| 18:42.58 | surfist | some of it is for usb hdd attached to the box.. some of it will be for other lan machines to said hdd |
| 18:43.36 | *** join/#debian superusr (~usr@p5B2458CE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:44.07 | surfist | the lan machines seem to be happy with nfs for now |
| 18:45.03 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 18:45.43 | *** join/#debian Troupal (~troupal@AToulouse-652-1-180-243.w82-125.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:45.54 | jmd | Which package provides brctl ? |
| 18:46.00 | *** join/#debian jfdh1 (~jfdh@unaffiliated/jfdh) |
| 18:46.05 | *** join/#debian yeats (~chris@unaffiliated/yeats) |
| 18:46.28 | *** join/#debian In33dt0kn0w (uid167702@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lqlldyqihctprewq) |
| 18:47.02 | babilen | dpkg: apt-file |
| 18:47.02 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 18:47.10 | babilen | jmd: ^ |
| 18:47.43 | jmd | babilen: bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 18:47.50 | *** join/#debian luckman212 (~luckman21@unaffiliated/luckman212) |
| 18:47.59 | towo` | install it |
| 18:48.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1698] by debhelper |
| 18:48.32 | babilen | (as mentioned in that factoid) |
| 18:49.07 | *** join/#debian eeeprom (~lem0n@unaffiliated/lem0n) |
| 18:49.08 | *** join/#debian relaxed (~relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) |
| 18:50.42 | *** join/#debian Senki (~Senki@199-7-157-124.eng.wind.ca) |
| 18:51.38 | *** join/#debian sandeepkr__ (~sandeepkr@111.235.65.5) |
| 18:53.17 | *** join/#debian jouir (~jouir@91.177.164.161) |
| 18:53.27 | PryMar56 | jmd, bridge-tuils |
| 18:53.40 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 18:53.56 | jmd | PryMar56: Thanks |
| 18:54.42 | surfist | bridge-utils |
| 18:57.01 | iKarith | kingkong: if still curious, /srv is for the sysadmin to populate however they like. There's no real standard for how it gets used, but it's basically where things like ftp server and http document roots and system backups and network shares and whatever else you want to put there ought to go. Debian has declared it completely off limits in policy, but the governing standards simply say that anything written |
| 18:57.03 | iKarith | there must not be removed by system upgrades. That it isn't meant to be touched is why Debian continues to use /var/www for example. |
| 18:58.24 | *** join/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:58.31 | *** join/#debian klow (~textual@c-98-247-49-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 18:59.55 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@82-132-246-12.dab.02.net) |
| 19:00.06 | *** join/#debian SpaceDanceCJ (~Sasha@37.45.175.196) |
| 19:00.28 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 19:01.01 | *** join/#debian ds (~zork@ip-228-226-107-190.nextelmovil.cl) |
| 19:03.41 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 19:03.44 | *** join/#debian gebruiker (~gebruiker@77-172-237-233.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 19:04.45 | *** join/#debian holier-than-thou (~o@2a00:4802:3af:9800:1cb7:717e:b442:392e) |
| 19:05.23 | gebruiker | How well are the ATI video cards supported in debian? HD5450. I read that the proprietary drivers are causing things to run slow and the opensource driver amdgpu to have poor 3d support. |
| 19:05.48 | *** join/#debian massmc (~massmc@199.175.49.61) |
| 19:05.48 | *** join/#debian holier-than-thou (~o@2a00:4802:3af:9800:1cb7:717e:b442:392e) |
| 19:06.20 | gebruiker | leaving and going to check out ubuntu channel |
| 19:06.22 | *** join/#debian h34nCX (~h34nCX@2a02:8071:9199:7300:45fa:d161:cea7:acb6) |
| 19:06.24 | *** part/#debian gebruiker (~gebruiker@77-172-237-233.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 19:06.25 | *** join/#debian h34nCX__ (~h34nCX@2a02:8071:9199:7300:45fa:d161:cea7:acb6) |
| 19:06.27 | *** join/#debian yeats (~chris@unaffiliated/yeats) |
| 19:06.33 | *** join/#debian holier-than-thou (~o@2a00:4802:3af:9800:1cb7:717e:b442:392e) |
| 19:07.21 | *** join/#debian holier-than-thou (~o@2a00:4802:3af:9800:1cb7:717e:b442:392e) |
| 19:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1704] by debhelper |
| 19:09.36 | *** join/#debian Ishaq (~Ishaq@budgetnode/management) |
| 19:11.19 | *** join/#debian TomTomTosch (~henryk@unaffiliated/tomtomtosch) |
| 19:11.44 | *** join/#debian fr4ncky (~fr4ncky@ALyon-656-1-709-127.w92-144.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:12.30 | *** join/#debian Starduster (~SD@unaffiliated/starduster) |
| 19:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, how dare you guys not answer within 60 seconds. shame on you |
| 19:14.06 | *** join/#debian nerd811 (bb272534@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.39.37.52) |
| 19:14.22 | nerd811 | hey hum isnt the wiki currently down? |
| 19:14.24 | *** join/#debian retry (~user@c-73-8-87-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 19:14.30 | retry | was there a point release today? |
| 19:14.33 | nerd811 | oh forget about it |
| 19:14.43 | nerd811 | it went down for a couple seconds and not only for me |
| 19:14.56 | retry | yup looked like a DDOS on the security list server |
| 19:15.03 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 19:16.05 | retry | im getting hits for apache, gpg, openssl, some python stuff...none of which is listed on the security announce mailing list |
| 19:16.15 | retry | but homepage says nothing about a point release either |
| 19:16.52 | *** join/#debian rhinoceros (~rhinocero@59.163.15.109.rev.sfr.net) |
| 19:17.19 | *** join/#debian rhinoceros (~rhinocero@59.163.15.109.rev.sfr.net) |
| 19:17.30 | *** join/#debian Colti (Miramar-FL@2a00:c1e0:0:2:0:1:208:ab5e) |
| 19:17.48 | Guest | you can limit ddos attacks by using IPtables |
| 19:19.01 | retry | i'm not getting ddos'd |
| 19:19.13 | retry | the hop above the debian list server was |
| 19:19.18 | retry | or showing symptoms anyway |
| 19:19.23 | retry | ok point release confirmed https://www.debian.org/News/2016/20160917 |
| 19:20.36 | *** join/#debian maotm (~mao@81.24.87.131) |
| 19:21.00 | *** join/#debian Brigo (~Brigo@164.11.60.178.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com) |
| 19:21.32 | *** join/#debian mrrhq (~mrrhq@2602:b8:64c7:2200:227:10ff:fe25:d07c) |
| 19:22.01 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 19:22.07 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 19:22.20 | *** part/#debian retry (~user@c-73-8-87-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 19:22.23 | debkad | i wonder if there is another solution to launch hddtemp as a normal user ( i used this sudo chmod u+s /usr/sbin/hddtemp but it still need sudo to work ) |
| 19:24.01 | kingkong | iKarith: thanks you for explaining. i must search and learn more about it later |
| 19:24.40 | spacebug^ | if a have had the backport repositories added, and ren removed the package used there. Do I have to do somehting more than remove the repositories from sources.list to remove the packages from that repositories to show when listing packages? Any cache I should delete or somehting? |
| 19:25.43 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@82-132-246-12.dab.02.net) |
| 19:27.29 | *** join/#debian parrot (~root@ip72-211-227-133.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 19:27.44 | *** join/#debian Revelation (uid171070@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdtijlytnwnybkbm) |
| 19:28.57 | *** join/#debian [Orka] (~Orka@2001:41d0:fe92:f100:a80c:51f5:87e6:acfb) |
| 19:30.22 | nerd811 | How long does it usually take for mirrors to download to sync with the newest update? The one I use still didnt update |
| 19:30.59 | Revelation | I'm trying to get wifi working on Debian. I have an Intel 8260 card, I used apt-get install to install iwlwifi, but it isn't working still. Using iwconfig it doesn't show the wlan0 interface. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:32.05 | *** join/#debian andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 19:32.17 | nerd811 | Maybe it's hardware locked? |
| 19:32.19 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 19:32.30 | nerd811 | Also see if it needs proprietary firmware |
| 19:32.54 | *** join/#debian crankyrecursion (~crankyrec@sophos.tomferguson.me) |
| 19:33.04 | Revelation | I put windows on dualboot and it works on there, so I don't think there is a hardware switch off |
| 19:33.11 | *** join/#debian Starky (~Starky@unaffiliated/starky) |
| 19:33.35 | Revelation | iwlwifi says it supports the 8260, you mean I might need something from intel? |
| 19:33.46 | nerd811 | No I'm not sure |
| 19:33.59 | *** join/#debian d_himro (~none@178.124.154.80) |
| 19:34.15 | mrrhq | What about "iw link wlan0" or "ifconfig -a" ? |
| 19:34.24 | *** join/#debian debkad (~kadiro@unaffiliated/kadiro) |
| 19:34.30 | *** join/#debian nebg_ (~nebg@93-35-253-193.ip57.fastwebnet.it) |
| 19:34.31 | towo` | what about dmesg | grep -i firmw |
| 19:35.02 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 19:35.14 | mrrhq | Sorry, it would be "iw wlan0 link" |
| 19:35.53 | Revelation | mrrhq: that comes up with a bunch of options, as if I ran help. if config -a brings up eth0, lo, wwan0 |
| 19:36.03 | julius_ | whats a good gbit network card for linux that runs out of the box=? |
| 19:36.16 | Revelation | towo`: that brings up trackpoint: IBM TrackPoint firmware 0x0e buttons 3/3 |
| 19:36.19 | Revelation | nothing for the wifi |
| 19:36.42 | Revelation | also says [Firmware Bug] ACPI: BIOS_OSI(Linux) query ignored |
| 19:36.55 | towo` | but you have firmware-iwlwifi installed? |
| 19:37.09 | *** join/#debian debkad (~kadiro@unaffiliated/kadiro) |
| 19:37.12 | mrrhq | Maybe you have a killswitch active, or rfkill is hiding it. |
| 19:37.16 | Revelation | I think so, I ran apt-get instal firmware-iwlwifi and if I do it again it says it's installed |
| 19:37.21 | Revelation | instal* |
| 19:37.28 | Revelation | install* |
| 19:37.44 | Revelation | mrrhq: there is a killswitch but it's not on, it works on windows still |
| 19:37.48 | towo` | modprobe iwlwifi does work without errors? |
| 19:38.01 | *** join/#debian evade (~evade@c-73-65-238-158.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 19:38.11 | *** join/#debian acidfu_ (~acidfoo@24-212-247-227.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 19:38.21 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@82-132-246-12.dab.02.net) |
| 19:38.31 | *** join/#debian paw (~afong@24-212-185-238.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 19:38.38 | towo` | and maybe dmesg | grep -i iwl does give more hints |
| 19:38.42 | Revelation | when i run modprobe iwlwifi nothing happens |
| 19:39.03 | mrrhq | lsmod | grep iwlwifi |
| 19:39.03 | Revelation | same for that, it didn't find anything |
| 19:39.46 | Revelation | mrrhq: that says iwlwifi 96547 0 cfg80211 413730 1 iwlwifi |
| 19:41.58 | *** part/#debian nebg_ (~nebg@93-35-253-193.ip57.fastwebnet.it) |
| 19:42.07 | *** join/#debian root1 (~root@2a01:cb14:4ad:6b00:6435:37b6:a9c3:a72a) |
| 19:42.57 | *** join/#debian sfiguser (~sfigguser@93-35-253-193.ip57.fastwebnet.it) |
| 19:43.20 | *** join/#debian debkad (~kadiro@unaffiliated/kadiro) |
| 19:43.29 | *** join/#debian ki0 (~ki0@158.red-83-35-231.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:44.03 | *** join/#debian sfiguser (~sfigguser@93-35-253-193.ip57.fastwebnet.it) |
| 19:44.22 | *** join/#debian mert (~pvtmert@212.174.163.164) |
| 19:44.31 | *** part/#debian sfiguser (~sfigguser@93-35-253-193.ip57.fastwebnet.it) |
| 19:45.24 | *** join/#debian main_loop (~main_loop@37-136-56-72.rev.dnainternet.fi) |
| 19:45.47 | Revelation | fun fact, I have an lte card in here which debian picks up automatically but doesn't the wifi lol |
| 19:45.59 | mrrhq | http://superuser.com/questions/1096936/intel-wireless-ac-8260-not-exposed-as-network-interface-on-debian-8 |
| 19:46.02 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 19:46.09 | mrrhq | I just read this. Sounds like a backported kernel may be needed. |
| 19:46.11 | *** join/#debian root1 (~root@2a01:cb14:4ad:6b00:6435:37b6:a9c3:a72a) |
| 19:46.23 | mrrhq | Meaning, your card is "too new" for the kernel, possibly. |
| 19:46.41 | Revelation | ah okay |
| 19:46.53 | *** join/#debian matrixskp (~matrixskp@218-101-99-61.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 19:47.14 | *** join/#debian niiiiiick (~Christoph@209.95.50.140) |
| 19:49.40 | Revelation | Mind giving me some quick info on a backported kernel? Do I just get the files off that intel site and put them in the firmware directory? |
| 19:49.59 | Revelation | I'm still learning :P |
| 19:50.06 | mrrhq | It's hard to say if that's needed to work. Maybe backporting the iwlwifi firmware would work. Or, just a hunch, if there was a way to disable wireless AC and use wireless N, then "maybe" it would work. |
| 19:50.10 | *** part/#debian niiiiiick (~Christoph@209.95.50.140) |
| 19:50.38 | *** join/#debian dvs (~hibbard@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 19:50.43 | mrrhq | Just for some more info, can you post modinfo iwlwifi | grep -E "^parm" in a pastebin? |
| 19:50.52 | Revelation | Yeah give me 1sec |
| 19:51.06 | Revelation | The first reply said he updated to debian testing and it worked |
| 19:51.13 | *** join/#debian ]3n19m4[ (~]3n19m4@188.86.111.229) |
| 19:51.18 | Revelation | that was 2 months ago, that version still in testing? |
| 19:51.37 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@82-132-246-12.dab.02.net) |
| 19:51.39 | *** join/#debian klow (~textual@c-98-247-49-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 19:52.47 | *** join/#debian debkad (~kadiro@unaffiliated/kadiro) |
| 19:53.30 | *** join/#debian dArK_IcE (~DARKICEPT@a95-92-107-215.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 19:53.42 | Revelation | http://pastebin.com/YruT0JLu |
| 19:54.48 | mrrhq | I don't think so. Stable isn't updated very often, unless it's about security updates. |
| 19:55.15 | *** join/#debian ds (~zork@ip-228-226-107-190.nextelmovil.cl) |
| 19:56.39 | *** join/#debian boudiccas (~boudiccas@31.185.147.43) |
| 19:56.41 | *** join/#debian itcnet1 (~holoirc@188.72.115.208) |
| 19:56.54 | mrrhq | Everything looks okay to me. No options to disable AC though, just N. |
| 19:57.13 | mrrhq | I don't think changing the default options will help either... |
| 19:58.36 | *** join/#debian _sfiguser (~sfigguser@93-35-253-193.ip57.fastwebnet.it) |
| 19:59.04 | *** part/#debian _sfiguser (~sfigguser@93-35-253-193.ip57.fastwebnet.it) |
| 20:00.22 | *** join/#debian mert (~pvtmert@212.174.163.164) |
| 20:01.03 | *** join/#debian dave4925__ (~dave4925@unaffiliated/dave4925) |
| 20:01.25 | Revelation | Hmm |
| 20:01.42 | Revelation | So backporting might not work? |
| 20:01.49 | Revelation | I could try going to the testing version |
| 20:03.59 | *** join/#debian paw (~afong@24-212-185-238.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 20:04.00 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 20:05.33 | *** join/#debian ashok (6db1aba3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.177.171.163) |
| 20:05.47 | *** join/#debian jandrusk (~jra@cpe-104-231-119-61.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 20:05.50 | mrrhq | Sadly, this channel is not a testing/unstable channel, so we can't help you here if you decide to go that route. |
| 20:05.52 | *** join/#debian xiaodong (~xiaodong@114.111.167.247) |
| 20:06.02 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 20:06.08 | mrrhq | !testing |
| 20:06.09 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 20:06.10 | Revelation | Yeah I'd rather stay on the stable version if I could |
| 20:06.33 | towo` | then install a newer kernel from backports |
| 20:06.55 | mrrhq | Yeah, install a newer kernel and iwlwifi if it's avavilable from backports. |
| 20:07.24 | mrrhq | !debian-backports |
| 20:07.25 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 20:07.37 | *** join/#debian maziar (~textual@5.116.250.123) |
| 20:07.50 | Revelation | Okay thanks I'll try it |
| 20:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1698] by debhelper |
| 20:08.08 | mrrhq | No problem. :) |
| 20:08.37 | *** join/#debian ]3n19m4[ (~]3n19m4@188.86.111.229) |
| 20:09.06 | *** join/#debian maziar (~textual@unaffiliated/maziar) |
| 20:10.09 | ashok | hey |
| 20:10.28 | debkad | finally i got hddtemp running, with the help of netcat |
| 20:11.00 | ashok | i am running i3wm with i3lock |
| 20:11.19 | *** join/#debian anonnumberanon (~anonnumbe@unaffiliated/anonnumberanon) |
| 20:11.19 | ashok | is there a way to make i3lock automatically startx |
| 20:11.22 | *** join/#debian canopus_ (~canopus@unaffiliated/pierrot) |
| 20:11.30 | ashok | and take me to lock screen |
| 20:11.33 | *** join/#debian blueness (~blueness@gentoo/developer/blueness) |
| 20:11.59 | debkad | see the config |
| 20:12.13 | debkad | .i3/config or something like that |
| 20:12.50 | ashok | ya i have added i3lock to config |
| 20:12.52 | *** join/#debian SmearedBeard (~SmearedBe@unaffiliated/smearedbeard) |
| 20:13.03 | ashok | but i have to enter startx all the time |
| 20:13.11 | ashok | i want to avoid that |
| 20:13.16 | *** join/#debian SmearedBeard (~SmearedBe@unaffiliated/smearedbeard) |
| 20:13.28 | ashok | and directly go to the lock screen |
| 20:13.35 | *** join/#debian ]3n19m4[ (~]3n19m4@188.86.111.229) |
| 20:14.36 | *** join/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:15.02 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 20:15.25 | *** join/#debian jandrusk (~jra@cpe-104-231-119-61.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 20:15.51 | mrrhq | ashok: You want i3lock to be a display manager? I'm not sure how. I always boot up to a getty and type in startx when I want to. I'm used to it. Lol. |
| 20:16.07 | *** join/#debian DarinMiller (~darin@174.27.81.244) |
| 20:16.19 | debkad | yes i still don't get what he want |
| 20:16.19 | ashok | ya almost like a dm =D |
| 20:16.25 | maziar | why i get this error on installing zsh ? http://pastebin.com/Gc1dTeax "E: Unable to locate package zsh" |
| 20:17.31 | ashok | or if theres a way to auto startx ?? |
| 20:18.36 | *** join/#debian ]3n19m4[ (~]3n19m4@188.86.111.229) |
| 20:18.51 | *** join/#debian anon (~anon@81.4.107.147) |
| 20:19.13 | debkad | ashok, install something like lightdm , xdm |
| 20:19.32 | *** join/#debian julius_ (~jason4@dslb-178-003-133-059.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 20:19.51 | ashok | @debkad tried xdm, its a hassle to get shutdown button working on it |
| 20:20.08 | debkad | lightdm |
| 20:20.45 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 20:20.49 | julius_ | is there a way to stop my network manager from messing with the interfaces, for some time? need to attach a router that also runs a dhcp from time to time for testing |
| 20:20.57 | *** join/#debian learjet60xr_ (~learjet60@50-88-60-53.res.bhn.net) |
| 20:21.00 | ashok | takes a whole 14 seconds to login screen |
| 20:21.17 | julius_ | so everytime i attach the ethernet cable the default route changes to the ethernet ip |
| 20:21.32 | julius_ | but the router is not connected on the WAN interface....so it goes nowhere |
| 20:21.35 | mrrhq | I used to use one called Slim, since it had some nice features, but it's seriously outdated now by LightDM. |
| 20:21.56 | debkad | hmm i think may be use systemd if you have it |
| 20:21.57 | ashok | ya no longer being maintained |
| 20:22.01 | *** join/#debian bollocks_k (~bollocks@fedora/bollocks) |
| 20:23.04 | *** join/#debian takyashi (~bishop@brc140.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 20:23.23 | debkad | ashok, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Xinit&redirect=no#Autostart_X_at_login |
| 20:23.27 | ashok | @maziar zsh is availabe in jessie and not in jessie-updates |
| 20:23.37 | *** join/#debian ]3n19m4[ (~]3n19m4@188.86.111.229) |
| 20:24.13 | ashok | tried that |
| 20:24.16 | *** join/#debian Capum321 (~ultrainfr@unaffiliated/capum321) |
| 20:24.18 | debkad | o_o |
| 20:24.20 | Capum321 | `systemd status foo.service` with `ExecStart=/bin/rtcwake -s 250 -m mem` >(code=exited, status=203/EXEC) - Active: failed |
| 20:24.28 | ashok | took me to console with some error |
| 20:24.28 | debkad | that the fastest way to login |
| 20:24.38 | *** join/#debian Mylesjfd (~Myles@173.245.209.139) |
| 20:24.45 | *** join/#debian nomasteryoda (~nomastery@ip72-210-71-86.mc.at.cox.net) |
| 20:24.52 | debkad | from that line it say 'Make sure that startx is properly configured.' |
| 20:25.00 | debkad | check it |
| 20:25.22 | maziar | ashok thank you |
| 20:25.43 | ashok | sure i will try that |
| 20:25.46 | mrrhq | If you have .xinitrc, you could also put in "exec i3lock" on the first line. |
| 20:25.55 | pingfloyd | ashok: just put something like "[ -z $DISPLAY && $XDG_VTNR -eq 1 ]] && exec startx" in your ~/.profile |
| 20:25.56 | mrrhq | So that startx will bring you to that. |
| 20:25.58 | *** join/#debian gosul33t (~gosul33t@unaffiliated/gosul33t) |
| 20:26.15 | debkad | Capum321, journalctl -xe when that happen it will tell you more |
| 20:26.16 | mrrhq | I mean, whoops. Without the "exec" part. |
| 20:26.20 | *** join/#debian Lowl3v3l (~Lowl3v3l@ipservice-092-208-080-178.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 20:26.27 | pingfloyd | change the value to whatever tty you want X to automatically start up on when you login |
| 20:26.47 | mrrhq | So "i3lock" on the first line, then "exec <yourwm>" on the second line. |
| 20:27.09 | mrrhq | Something like that. But it's hacky. |
| 20:27.22 | *** join/#debian surfist (~surfist@122.200.0.2) |
| 20:27.26 | debkad | brb |
| 20:27.53 | mrrhq | You need X to start for i3lock to work in the first place. |
| 20:27.56 | pingfloyd | if i3lock runs continuously on invocation, background it with '&' |
| 20:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1692] by debhelper |
| 20:28.26 | pingfloyd | last line in your .xinitrc should be exec with your wm or session launcher |
| 20:28.27 | *** join/#debian badgerSqueegee (~luca@unaffiliated/badgersqueegee) |
| 20:30.36 | *** join/#debian TheCoffeMaker (~TheCoffeM@186.136.217.118) |
| 20:30.36 | *** join/#debian TheCoffeMaker (~TheCoffeM@unaffiliated/thecoffemaker) |
| 20:32.17 | ashok | thanks mrrhq |
| 20:32.26 | ashok | did [ -z $DISPLAY && $XDG_VTNR -eq 1 ]] && exec startx" in your ~/.profile this |
| 20:32.27 | mrrhq | Is using "exec /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager" a good idea? It's not portable to non-Debian OSes, right? |
| 20:32.43 | *** join/#debian skylite (~skylite@91EC66E5.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 20:33.10 | pingfloyd | ashok: you're missing a [ |
| 20:33.31 | *** part/#debian radia (~radia@exit0.radia.tor-relays.net) |
| 20:33.48 | ashok | ya fixed that |
| 20:33.52 | pingfloyd | mrrhq: it should be fine |
| 20:33.55 | ashok | still end up on the console |
| 20:33.57 | pingfloyd | mrrhq: then you can easily change your wm |
| 20:34.05 | pingfloyd | mrrhq: through update-alternatives |
| 20:34.38 | *** join/#debian ArchNoob (~ArchNoob@unaffiliated/archnoob) |
| 20:34.54 | *** join/#debian ]3n19m4[ (~]3n19m4@188.86.111.229) |
| 20:35.08 | *** join/#debian ER_nesto (~ER_nesto@2e411e7d.skybroadband.com) |
| 20:35.35 | ashok | i ended up on the console |
| 20:35.37 | *** join/#debian xingu (~xingu@cl-1734.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net) |
| 20:35.44 | ashok | and did source .profile |
| 20:35.48 | ashok | and boom |
| 20:35.56 | ashok | it worked |
| 20:36.01 | *** join/#debian verboese (~verboese@v14855.1blu.de) |
| 20:36.20 | *** join/#debian z8z (~x@ac230029.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 20:36.30 | pingfloyd | ashok: what your login shell? |
| 20:36.36 | ashok | zsh |
| 20:36.44 | pingfloyd | that's probably why it isn't working |
| 20:36.50 | pingfloyd | .profile is for bash |
| 20:36.52 | ashok | oh |
| 20:37.06 | *** join/#debian ER_nesto (~ER_nesto@2e411e7d.skybroadband.com) |
| 20:37.08 | pingfloyd | so you need to edit the login script for zsh |
| 20:37.22 | ashok | is it .zprofile ?? |
| 20:37.29 | pingfloyd | don't ask me, I use bash |
| 20:38.10 | mrrhq | I thought zsh at least read .bash_profile (not sure about .profile). |
| 20:38.14 | ashok | but isnt zsh better than bash ?? why not switch |
| 20:38.21 | mrrhq | I haven't used zsh in a long time though. |
| 20:38.23 | pingfloyd | not in my opinion |
| 20:38.48 | *** join/#debian bolovanos_ (~bolovanos@91.201.22.5) |
| 20:38.51 | ashok | woah flame wars !! jk jk |
| 20:38.55 | RobinC | "man zsh" has a nice section on startup.shutdown files and where they live and what they are called |
| 20:38.58 | pingfloyd | you want me to answer why you're using zsh? |
| 20:39.03 | *** join/#debian ER_nesto (~ER_nesto@2e411e7d.skybroadband.com) |
| 20:39.13 | ashok | no bruh |
| 20:39.25 | mrrhq | It is technically better, because it has more features. But you can do a lot of powerful stuff with just bash and it's shell options "shopt". |
| 20:39.39 | ashok | oh ok |
| 20:39.57 | pingfloyd | I think of zsh more like bash with training wheels |
| 20:40.16 | *** join/#debian michal_ (d9c3a602@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.195.166.2) |
| 20:40.25 | ashok | true tho |
| 20:40.28 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@82-132-246-12.dab.02.net) |
| 20:40.35 | michal_ | hello |
| 20:40.41 | mrrhq | Has more features for interactive users. But yeah, it's just too fancy for me, too much to learn. :p |
| 20:40.53 | *** join/#debian cisco87 (~cisco@host16-94-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 20:41.06 | ashok | so if i change the default shell to bash, will it start working the right way ?? |
| 20:41.06 | michal_ | I got weird networking problem |
| 20:41.06 | *** join/#debian ]3n19m4[ (~]3n19m4@188.86.111.229) |
| 20:41.10 | pingfloyd | also bash is practically installed everywhere |
| 20:41.29 | *** join/#debian bolovanos__ (~bolovanos@91.201.22.5) |
| 20:41.51 | *** join/#debian ER_nesto (~ER_nesto@2e411e7d.skybroadband.com) |
| 20:41.54 | pingfloyd | it's pretty rare I ever see any system without bash already installed in many different OSes. |
| 20:42.01 | michal_ | I have a KVM VM |
| 20:42.22 | michal_ | and it cannot resolve hostnames |
| 20:42.36 | michal_ | I use local nameserver running on the host |
| 20:42.58 | michal_ | and the tspdump output in the kvm does not show any DNS packets |
| 20:43.09 | *** join/#debian fguillot (~fguillot@bas3-montreal42-1242353333.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 20:43.13 | michal_ | but it shows hostnames |
| 20:43.19 | ashok | ya but its just that it zsh has awesome plugins support, |
| 20:43.31 | michal_ | try dash |
| 20:43.38 | michal_ | it has awesome bugs |
| 20:43.48 | mrrhq | Lol, dash is NOT made to be used interactively, at all. |
| 20:43.52 | pingfloyd | I don't want to build up dependency on all of that extra stuff |
| 20:43.54 | ashok | it had all the bells and whistles to attract me T_T |
| 20:44.21 | *** join/#debian bolovanos (~bolovanos@91.201.22.5) |
| 20:44.56 | mrrhq | Besides, I feel like dash is a little crippled and useless compared to sh. We used to need it for sysvinit to start up faster. Now that systemd has taken over, what else do we really need dash for at this point? |
| 20:45.16 | michal_ | it's used in initrd |
| 20:45.19 | michal_ | or was |
| 20:45.41 | michal_ | debugging the failures of *valid* initrd scripts is awesome |
| 20:45.42 | *** join/#debian obihann (~jhann@drmons0544w-156034009072.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.ns.bellaliant.net) |
| 20:45.50 | pingfloyd | dash pretty much is for you sh support |
| 20:46.03 | *** join/#debian bolovanos_ (~bolovanos@91.201.22.5) |
| 20:46.46 | *** join/#debian Capum321 (~ultrainfr@unaffiliated/capum321) |
| 20:46.49 | *** join/#debian sebastianlutter (~sebastian@5.28.112.17) |
| 20:47.05 | ashok | finally !!!! |
| 20:47.10 | mrrhq | I think dash is closer to ash than bsh. Sh is like an umbrella term for many basic shells nowadays. |
| 20:47.24 | michal_ | so either I hit some weird host-guest networking bug or set ups something wrong. Or possibly both |
| 20:47.26 | *** join/#debian julius_ (~jason4@dslb-178-003-133-059.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 20:47.29 | ashok | changed the default shell to bash !! |
| 20:47.30 | pingfloyd | pretty much, but some shells have better sh compatibility than others |
| 20:47.32 | ashok | and it worked |
| 20:47.38 | ashok | thanks guys |
| 20:47.45 | debkad | good |
| 20:47.53 | ashok | bye |
| 20:48.09 | *** part/#debian VjetarSaSunca (Vjetar@hal-9000.vjetar.org) |
| 20:48.34 | *** join/#debian de-facto (~de-facto@unaffiliated/de-facto) |
| 20:48.39 | *** join/#debian xpkill23 (~xpkill23@port-92-203-46-130.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 20:48.46 | michal_ | oh, yeah. some sh:s have worse sh compatibility than others |
| 20:48.51 | *** join/#debian _KaszpiR_ (quasselcor@unaffiliated/kaszpir/x-3157048) |
| 20:49.22 | mrrhq | ashok: Later. |
| 20:49.24 | *** join/#debian ShapeShifter499 (~ShapeShif@unaffiliated/shapeshifter499) |
| 20:50.48 | mrrhq | Side note. I tried tcsh, and didn't really care for it. A handful of BSD users use it by default for some reason. |
| 20:50.57 | ashok | see ya tom. |
| 20:51.08 | ashok | good night |
| 20:53.26 | *** join/#debian learjet60xr (~learjet60@50-88-60-53.res.bhn.net) |
| 20:54.12 | *** join/#debian Kruppt (~Krupptus@104.169.26.87) |
| 20:55.01 | *** join/#debian hyfrehyfre (~hyfrehyfr@static-186-121-219-241.acelerate.net) |
| 20:57.50 | *** part/#debian shiin (~shiin@unaffiliated/shiintoryuu) |
| 20:58.33 | xpkill23 | l |
| 20:59.37 | *** join/#debian c0ldfir3 (~c0ldfir3@2804:7f2:2280:db44:31c0:51a0:46f4:98a6) |
| 21:00.23 | *** join/#debian DarinMiller (~darin@174.27.81.244) |
| 21:01.20 | chachasmooth | new release of debian 8? |
| 21:01.40 | *** join/#debian evade (~evade@c-73-65-238-158.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:01.43 | *** join/#debian learjet60xr_ (~learjet60@50-88-60-53.res.bhn.net) |
| 21:01.48 | dutchfish | chachasmooth, yes, 8.6 |
| 21:01.54 | Capum321 | debkad: thanks. solved. now, a user made .timer won't start/activate after a reboot? |
| 21:01.55 | chachasmooth | :)) |
| 21:01.56 | *** join/#debian damentz (~damentz@cpe-70-122-17-194.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 21:02.18 | *** join/#debian cuechan (~paul@x55b093f0.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 21:02.35 | debkad | Capum321, timer is a static unit imho, you just enable it |
| 21:03.11 | *** join/#debian obihann_ (~jhann@156.34.9.72) |
| 21:03.59 | *** join/#debian awal1_ (~awal1@199.241.132.84) |
| 21:04.19 | Capum321 | should have a command to activate it not manually way? |
| 21:05.00 | debkad | Capum321, in general, systemctl enable your_service |
| 21:05.38 | Capum321 | debkad: the .timer enables itself? |
| 21:06.13 | Capum321 | they aren't anymore on list-timers |
| 21:06.19 | debkad | Capum321, to be sure, systemctl is-enabled your_service |
| 21:06.25 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 21:06.48 | *** join/#debian Almazys (~Almazys@ip-181.net-80-236-31.suresnes.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 21:07.16 | *** join/#debian Eryn_1983_FL (~Eryn_1983@50-89-157-130.res.bhn.net) |
| 21:08.22 | *** join/#debian ER_nesto (~ER_nesto@2e403e74.skybroadband.com) |
| 21:09.07 | *** join/#debian shad0VV (~shad0VV@77.49.155.12.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) |
| 21:10.13 | *** join/#debian ER_nesto (~ER_nesto@2e403e74.skybroadband.com) |
| 21:11.17 | *** part/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:11.43 | *** join/#debian [Gort] (~gort@82-69-126-225.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 21:11.43 | *** join/#debian [Gort] (~gort@unaffiliated/gort/x-9231432) |
| 21:12.40 | Capum321 | debkad: no, they are disable, the timer static |
| 21:12.58 | *** join/#debian mal__ (~mal@189.217.0.170) |
| 21:12.59 | debkad | enable it |
| 21:13.12 | *** join/#debian totonika (~toto@ip-134-130-118-111.mmweg.rwth-aachen.de) |
| 21:13.27 | *** join/#debian acidtech (acid@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gfncftcjxpiecdap) |
| 21:13.34 | *** join/#debian ER_nesto (~ER_nesto@2e403e74.skybroadband.com) |
| 21:14.03 | *** join/#debian aaro (~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147) |
| 21:14.42 | *** join/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:14.57 | Capum321 | all right |
| 21:15.30 | *** join/#debian gebruiker (~gebruiker@77-172-237-233.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 21:16.07 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@82-132-246-12.dab.02.net) |
| 21:16.36 | Capum321 | debkad: ok |
| 21:17.04 | *** join/#debian BWMerlin (~Thunderbi@142.45.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 21:17.05 | Capum321 | done! |
| 21:17.06 | *** join/#debian AndChat26676 (~AndChat26@77-172-237-233.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 21:17.06 | *** join/#debian alfred_ (~quassel@2001:470:6d:890::3b) |
| 21:18.21 | *** join/#debian ER_nesto (~ER_nesto@2e403e74.skybroadband.com) |
| 21:18.29 | AndChat26676 | How do I get awesome fonts and fonts rendering on Debian? Coming from Ubuntu. |
| 21:18.38 | *** part/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:18.58 | *** join/#debian redabhr (H2O@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-erqpsiarbmsbnhfu) |
| 21:19.10 | michal_ | AndChat26676: are your fonts not awesome? What do you not like about them? |
| 21:19.26 | *** join/#debian ER_nesto (~ER_nesto@2e403e74.skybroadband.com) |
| 21:19.51 | debkad | AndChat26676, download them and put them to ~/.fonts or in the system font directory then run, fc-cache -vf |
| 21:20.14 | AndChat26676 | Michal_ well the webpages I read look ugly now in Debian |
| 21:20.37 | debkad | this is where you get awesome font http://fontawesome.io/ |
| 21:20.39 | mrrhq | This may help some, since it's font-config centralized, which is what Debian is using: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_configuration |
| 21:20.46 | *** join/#debian jmc__ (~sam@c-24-21-106-131.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 21:21.02 | michal_ | it's what Ubuntu is using as well |
| 21:21.14 | *** join/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:21.20 | michal_ | AndChat26676: which pages and what is ugly on them? |
| 21:21.41 | *** join/#debian ER_nesto (~ER_nesto@2e403e74.skybroadband.com) |
| 21:21.52 | *** join/#debian learjet60xr (~learjet60@50-88-60-53.res.bhn.net) |
| 21:22.20 | mrrhq | My favorite font, btw, is Terminus (xfonts-terminus), though I'm using Terminus-TTF with unifont support. |
| 21:22.35 | michal_ | I use Deja Vu as general purpose Latin font and it has support for most Latin characters and looks reasonably well and is installed by default if you install a desktop environment |
| 21:22.41 | *** part/#debian ER_nesto (~ER_nesto@2e403e74.skybroadband.com) |
| 21:23.15 | michal_ | so if you get really bad font rendering you are hitting some special case and need to describe that in detail |
| 21:23.34 | AndChat26676 | .michal_ well if you want specific websites nu.nl Facebook |
| 21:23.41 | *** part/#debian crash_ (~pi@81-224-101-125-no186.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 21:24.54 | michal_ | AndChat26676: I see nothing wrong with it |
| 21:25.56 | *** join/#debian julius_ (~jason4@dslb-178-003-133-059.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 21:26.02 | AndChat26676 | What do you think of infinality michal_? |
| 21:26.25 | michal_ | no idea |
| 21:26.43 | *** join/#debian Putti (~Putti@unaffiliated/putti) |
| 21:27.14 | *** join/#debian OS-24187 (~vannion@67.184.10.169) |
| 21:27.33 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 21:27.54 | *** part/#debian OS-24187 (~vannion@67.184.10.169) |
| 21:28.33 | Capum321 | debkad: hello? i don't understand. i should activate .timers not the services? |
| 21:29.05 | *** join/#debian mal__ (~mal@189.217.0.170) |
| 21:29.05 | debkad | Capum321, the one you want it to be loaded every reboot |
| 21:29.20 | michal_ | AndChat26676: https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts#Infinality_for_Debian |
| 21:29.36 | *** join/#debian Scourje (uid63311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bbfvtzdumfdftftf) |
| 21:29.50 | Capum321 | with enable too? |
| 21:30.28 | *** join/#debian mastokley (~mastokley@71.35.179.178) |
| 21:31.38 | Capum321 | it doesn't work |
| 21:32.28 | debkad | Capum321, of course the service/timer you want it to be start at boot must be enabled |
| 21:33.00 | *** join/#debian jmc__ (~sam@c-24-21-106-131.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 21:33.16 | *** join/#debian GrimKriegor (~GrimKrieg@155.29.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt) |
| 21:33.59 | Capum321 | is this lag? |
| 21:34.45 | *** join/#debian saul (~hubert@190.124.36.38) |
| 21:34.51 | *** join/#debian Streusel (~Anonymous@unaffiliated/streusel) |
| 21:35.36 | debkad | Capum321, as i said, you can check it if enabled or not by: systemctl is-enabled your_service |
| 21:36.30 | debkad | if yes and didn't work that mean there is a problem in the service itself ( the way you created it to be ) |
| 21:37.18 | Capum321 | debkad: they are enable, the problem relies on activating the .timers. shouldn't they be in list-timers? |
| 21:37.33 | *** join/#debian Cavedude (~Cavedude@unaffiliated/cavedude) |
| 21:37.34 | debkad | yes |
| 21:37.39 | Capum321 | they aren't |
| 21:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1684] by debhelper |
| 21:38.41 | *** join/#debian totonika (~toto@ip-134-130-118-111.mmweg.rwth-aachen.de) |
| 21:41.04 | *** join/#debian tete94 (~tete94@201.206.234.253) |
| 21:41.24 | *** join/#debian anuxivm (~anuxi@92.185.154.236) |
| 21:42.11 | *** join/#debian mado (~mario@cpe90-146-226-114.liwest.at) |
| 21:42.12 | *** join/#debian jmc__ (~sam@c-24-21-106-131.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 21:42.26 | mado | hello everyone : ) |
| 21:42.39 | Capum321 | debkad: ? |
| 21:42.46 | debkad | Capum321, it is running ? |
| 21:43.27 | debkad | systemctl is-active or systemctl status |
| 21:43.29 | *** join/#debian yeats (~chris@unaffiliated/yeats) |
| 21:43.35 | Capum321 | the .service run when triggered byt the respective .timer |
| 21:43.42 | mado | I'm sorry - I'm new here ... bill-auger of #Trisquel told me to come here and ask you for help ... |
| 21:43.54 | *** join/#debian PadawanLearner (~Joao@a89-153-108-120.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 21:44.00 | mado | I'm trying to understand a line on your website regarding live images -> Languages: The images do not contain a complete set of language support packages. If you need input methods, fonts and supplemental language packages for your language, you'll need to install these afterwards. |
| 21:44.05 | *** join/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:44.13 | mado | Does this mean I cannot get a foregin language keyboard layout right from the start? |
| 21:45.43 | *** join/#debian murfjr (~douseiais@185.21.216.185) |
| 21:45.49 | debkad | Capum321, check its status and see if it fail and why ( use sudo journalctl -xe to see more detail when you start/restart it ) |
| 21:45.59 | *** join/#debian foul_owl (~foul_owl@c-73-97-48-166.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 21:46.07 | *** join/#debian murfjr (~douseiais@185.21.216.185) |
| 21:46.38 | foul_owl | Hi folks. Having an issue with my mouse with a few applications. dosbox and zandronum (doom port) |
| 21:46.43 | *** join/#debian _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@92.176.142.156) |
| 21:46.51 | foul_owl | The only commonality I can find is perhaps both use SDL for mouse input? |
| 21:47.53 | *** join/#debian learjet60xr_ (~learjet60@50-88-60-53.res.bhn.net) |
| 21:48.36 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 21:49.44 | mado | You see I'm trying to find out right now which ISO file i need to download and try to see if it works with my pen drive : ) ... it'd be great if the system afterwards would show text, etc in a foreign language and or use a foreign language keyboard layout but if it doesn't it's okay too ... as long as i can install the desired language afterwards (am asking about this because some of my family members don't know any English) |
| 21:50.18 | Capum321 | debkad: there is no fail the service work when start service |
| 21:51.32 | debkad | Capum321, if it is enabled and active that mean it working |
| 21:51.44 | debkad | if not check the service |
| 21:52.00 | *** join/#debian learjet60xr (~learjet60@50-88-60-53.res.bhn.net) |
| 21:52.18 | *** join/#debian diegov_ (~user@81.202.25.132.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 21:52.28 | Capum321 | but I am talking about the .timer? |
| 21:52.51 | *** join/#debian lethu (~lethu@unaffiliated/lethu) |
| 21:53.00 | Capum321 | they are enable, not active, waiting for some trigger |
| 21:53.13 | *** join/#debian dustyp90 (~dustypoo9@dsl-dhcp-conrtxxahre-72-26-13-37.consolidated.net) |
| 21:54.27 | *** join/#debian pijiu (~pijiu@unaffiliated/pijiu) |
| 21:54.34 | Capum321 | the service working with `systemctl start service` manually see? |
| 21:54.46 | *** join/#debian Bananoflouda (~Bananoflo@unaffiliated/bananoflouda) |
| 21:54.50 | *** join/#debian trystero (~al.f.zero@unaffiliated/transfinite) |
| 21:55.15 | Capum321 | how to put .timer in list-timer as active? |
| 21:55.25 | debkad | enable it |
| 21:55.30 | Capum321 | i can't! |
| 21:55.34 | debkad | o_o |
| 21:55.38 | Capum321 | it remains static |
| 21:55.55 | *** join/#debian mal__ (~mal@189.217.0.170) |
| 21:56.08 | *** join/#debian chvz (~chvz@arl95-h03-89-89-53-184.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) |
| 21:56.08 | debkad | it may start when the exact timing come |
| 21:56.37 | *** join/#debian klow (~textual@c-98-247-49-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 21:56.40 | *** join/#debian elky (~elky@ubuntu/member/pdpc.professional.elky) |
| 21:57.04 | *** join/#debian TechnoTony_Linux (~Tony@74.120.221.147) |
| 21:57.18 | debkad | Capum321, take a look in this example https://jason.the-graham.com/2013/03/06/how-to-use-systemd-timers/ |
| 21:57.34 | *** join/#debian l0llip0p (~vilitaltt@a91-156-201-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 21:58.02 | *** join/#debian TechnoTony_Linux (~Tony@74.120.221.147) |
| 21:58.28 | *** join/#debian sandeepkr__ (~sandeepkr@103.49.155.114) |
| 21:58.29 | Capum321 | chmod could be 644 ? |
| 21:59.00 | mado | Capum321 and debkad ... excuse me? ... is there some protocol i've missed or something? could you tell me please? |
| 21:59.01 | peterrooney | mado: try the network installer (netinst). it has a VERY long list of languages available in expert install mode, so it may well have your desired language and keyboard layout. |
| 21:59.14 | mado | oh ... hello peterrooney :) |
| 21:59.22 | *** join/#debian Muadabi (5c534d2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.83.77.46) |
| 22:00.08 | *** part/#debian CyberGabber (~CyberGabb@29-187-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl) |
| 22:00.12 | mado | netinst ... okay ... thanks peterrooney |
| 22:00.24 | mado | i'll download this then |
| 22:00.26 | peterrooney | mado: it may be that you led with #Trisquel - there is a _strong_ tendancy to ignore users not actually using debian, or to tell them install debian and come back. |
| 22:00.49 | Bananoflouda | hello. After a hardware upgrade (from ivybridge to haswell), some programs like firefox and blender crash before they start. I have jessie with kernel and intel video driver from backports. anyone know what i should do? |
| 22:01.08 | debkad | Capum321, sorry that all i can help about, how to enable, start/restart/stop/status but the format inside the times may be someone else can help about that |
| 22:01.24 | peterrooney | modo for explanation of that tendency, see the channel bot: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 22:01.33 | peterrooney | mado: for explanation of that tendency, see the channel bot: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 22:01.41 | mado | i'm sorry peterrooney ... i was merely trying to tell you where i was coming from, etc ... and since i want to be honest i thought you should you know |
| 22:01.41 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@82-132-246-12.dab.02.net) |
| 22:01.56 | debkad | brb taking some rest , my neck hurt a lot |
| 22:02.01 | peterrooney | mado: is alright, you've come to the right place. |
| 22:02.53 | *** join/#debian c0mrade (~c0mrade@93.126.199.251) |
| 22:03.21 | mado | you see ... i'm still in some way new to the world of GNU Linux ... but i'm willing to learn and don't expect everything to be served on a silver plate ... i'm trying to find a nice distro for myself and one for family members who "just need something that works" in their prefered language |
| 22:03.23 | *** join/#debian IHaveAFriend (186b1b17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.107.27.23) |
| 22:03.55 | c0mrade | I've just logged into a linux box though ssh -i myprivate key user@someip but when I did I didn't see any prompt like user@box$ I saw nothing, you just directly type commands... Why is that? |
| 22:04.02 | *** join/#debian Cubby (~Cubby@208.54.44.189) |
| 22:04.26 | *** join/#debian ron-slc (~Ron@173-165-129-118-utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 22:04.56 | c0mrade | This linux box is on amazon aws cloud. |
| 22:05.00 | IHaveAFriend | Hi does anyone know if it would be possible to restore an overwritten file in debian? |
| 22:05.06 | peterrooney | mado: quick check of a 7.5 netinstall (latest I have until later), shows, for example, Czech, Dutch, Chinese, Tagalog, Welsh, Polish... actual list is a couple pages long. |
| 22:05.37 | IHaveAFriend | Its a crypto-currencies wallet.dat file, I have a friend who installed a new updated version and it overwrote his wallet.dat >.> |
| 22:05.37 | mado | could you show me a link to that? |
| 22:05.50 | mado | and will i be able to update? upgrade? to 8.5 with that? |
| 22:05.52 | *** join/#debian NoobsFlyingAway (~TCASMyAss@120.59.38.33) |
| 22:06.40 | IHaveAFriend | Cant find a way to restore old file unless its plain text- his wallet was unencrypted but nano/vi show lots of random characters, so it isnt plain text :/ |
| 22:06.49 | peterrooney | mado: no, i just ran the installer on a virtual machine. I don't recall how to do screenshots off the top of my head. |
| 22:06.51 | mado | sorry ... forgot to add your name there, peterrooney : ) |
| 22:07.06 | mado | there's a "print"-key : ) |
| 22:07.16 | mado | also called "Druck" on some keyboards from what i know |
| 22:07.29 | *** part/#debian ledufakademy (~ledufakad@LFbn-1-4844-74.w92-171.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:07.44 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 22:08.02 | peterrooney | mado: if you're allowed to tell me the language, I could look. |
| 22:08.46 | peterrooney | mado: Basque, Belarusian, Bosnian, Bulgarian... |
| 22:08.53 | peterrooney | mado: It's a long list |
| 22:08.56 | mado | certainly ... my parents for instance only know German |
| 22:09.31 | peterrooney | mado: There we go! Galician, German, Greek. |
| 22:09.41 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 22:09.50 | mado | : ) |
| 22:10.17 | *** join/#debian Referencer (~reference@95.154.201.147) |
| 22:10.29 | mado | sooo ... for my parents it'd be 7.5 then if they used it right now? |
| 22:10.45 | mado | and for those who know English it'll be 8.5? |
| 22:10.56 | mado | ad peterrooney :) |
| 22:11.07 | peterrooney | mado: NO! version 8.5 is current stable, and no reason for German to have been dropped. |
| 22:11.50 | mado | okay ... maybe i've confused myself just now then :) ... i'm trying to find the ISO with the current Debian for my computer that i should copy to a pen drive :) |
| 22:11.51 | *** join/#debian TomasCZ (~TomasCZ@yes.tenlab.net) |
| 22:12.11 | mado | i don't mind using Debian in English ... i'd like it though if i could switch keyboard layouts : ) |
| 22:12.24 | mado | if i have to do that after the installation, fine with me |
| 22:12.39 | mado | if i can set it up during or before the installation, also fine, peterrooney |
| 22:12.50 | *** join/#debian chachasmooth (~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth) |
| 22:13.02 | mado | for my parents it would have to be in German right away |
| 22:13.08 | peterrooney | I am only using the old 7.5 because of an exotic init system problem which the average user will never encounter. |
| 22:13.10 | mado | incl. German keyboard layout |
| 22:14.36 | *** join/#debian TheStarKiller (~TheStarKi@fixed-203-188-189-203-188-127.iusacell.net) |
| 22:14.36 | peterrooney | mado: keybaord layout is usually second or third question during an install. |
| 22:15.30 | mado | okay ... : ) ... now all i need to find is the right ISO |
| 22:15.33 | mado | you got a lot there : ) |
| 22:15.58 | *** join/#debian johefernan (~joheferna@187.153.0.132) |
| 22:17.11 | *** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@197.237.134.7) |
| 22:18.06 | mado | or should i get the netinst you said before? |
| 22:18.13 | mado | i'm sorry for still being a little confused peterrooney |
| 22:18.48 | peterrooney | mado: if you have a solid network connection, netinst . it installs a base system and downloads extra stuff from a mirror. |
| 22:19.27 | peterrooney | mado: you're allowed to be confused when starting something. It's a wonderful state of mind that allows learning. |
| 22:19.40 | mado | thanks for your understanding, peterrooney |
| 22:20.26 | mado | some people i have met so far said something different, unfortunately ... plus they got all rude and disrespectful when i didn't understsnd something |
| 22:20.27 | peterrooney | mado: if you'll be on a desert island with no sattelite uplink, download the first two or three CDs. |
| 22:20.37 | *** join/#debian Mylesjfd (~Myles@209.107.195.54) |
| 22:21.11 | mado | my connection should be fairly stable ... sure there's some issues here and there sometimes but most of the time it's fine : ) |
| 22:21.13 | *** join/#debian krystalpowers (~theydidit@71.19.249.196) |
| 22:21.17 | krystalpowers | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cgPQmKXtJo&feature=youtu.be |
| 22:21.37 | krystalpowers | The hand, behind the Bolshevik Revolution, and subsequent communist rule in Eastern Europe, was a Jewish hand. Most of the key players were Jews and were involved in some of the most horrific human catastrophes of that time. |
| 22:22.14 | *** join/#debian SolarAquarion (SolarAquar@the.feds.nullrouted.us) |
| 22:23.27 | *** join/#debian prq9000 (~prq@195.154.41.46) |
| 22:24.03 | foul_owl | Is there a way to reload my xorg.conf without restarting x? (closing all the windows) |
| 22:24.50 | *** join/#debian Klumben (Nsaiswatch@elmo.stole-your.pw) |
| 22:25.07 | mado | peterrooney? ... one more question ... it says so here that Debian advises not to use "unetbootin" when preparing a usb pen drive ... what about "yumi" though? |
| 22:25.23 | *** join/#debian yeticry (~yeticry@183.160.6.32) |
| 22:25.24 | mado | www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ |
| 22:26.07 | prq9000 | There were no gas chambers. They lied about it. There was, however, a real firebombing against German civilians when Hitler was dead and Germany was in surrender. Some 8 million innocent civilians were burned alive. |
| 22:27.03 | *** join/#debian ninjai (~steve@65.110.2.74) |
| 22:27.11 | *** join/#debian murfjr (~douseiais@185.21.216.185) |
| 22:27.18 | *** join/#debian mightyBroccoli1 (~nico@magicbroccoli.de) |
| 22:27.34 | ninjai | I'm trying to run an image display application in an init script so an image pops up when my computer first boots up. Script works fine when I launch from my home directory. Starts with DISPLAY=:0 <command>, so that I can launch over SSH if needed |
| 22:27.37 | *** join/#debian pingfloyd (~pingfloyd@unaffiliated/pingfloyd) |
| 22:27.40 | ninjai | it doesn't work in my init script though |
| 22:27.41 | peterrooney | mado: Don't know about USB sticks, I always use optical discs (and ISOs in virtual machines). |
| 22:27.45 | ninjai | why would it act differently? |
| 22:28.00 | mrrhq | foul_owl: Not that I know of, but you could use Xephyr to test xorg.conf configurations. |
| 22:28.17 | *** join/#debian js9600 (~js9600@87.57.20.106) |
| 22:28.34 | prq9000 | https://www.darkmoon.me/2011/crimes-of-the-bolsheviks-edited-by-isabella-fanfani/ |
| 22:28.58 | mado | i see, peterrooney ... well i'm afraid i won't be able to use a cd ... but let me try something quickly ... i'll be back in a few |
| 22:29.00 | *** part/#debian mado (~mario@cpe90-146-226-114.liwest.at) |
| 22:30.14 | peterrooney | !ops spam prq9000 |
| 22:30.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: peterrooney complains about: spam prq9000 |
| 22:30.46 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 22:31.35 | foul_owl | Thanks! |
| 22:31.35 | surfist | will gparted (from a rescue disk) be able to grow a root partition and do the formatting etc. all in one stop? or do I need to do it manually |
| 22:31.53 | *** part/#debian mightyBroccoli1 (~nico@magicbroccoli.de) |
| 22:31.55 | *** join/#debian liberta (~liberta@104.221.28.172) |
| 22:32.57 | *** join/#debian eterna (~liberta@liberta.naturalscents.ca) |
| 22:33.01 | *** join/#debian Bananoflouda (~Bananoflo@unaffiliated/bananoflouda) |
| 22:33.41 | *** join/#debian chvz (~chvz@arl95-h03-89-89-53-184.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) |
| 22:33.57 | *** join/#debian gluon (~gluon@2a06:8ec0:0:30d4::1) |
| 22:43.41 | *** join/#debian Bananoflouda (~Bananoflo@unaffiliated/bananoflouda) |
| 22:43.53 | *** join/#debian poeticrpm (~poeticrpm@109.163.226.153) |
| 22:46.35 | *** join/#debian dethos_ (~dethos@84.23.213.204) |
| 22:47.23 | *** join/#debian gho (~gho@cpc76258-cosh15-2-0-cust751.6-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 22:48.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1677] by debhelper |
| 22:48.12 | gho | hi. I have a room with lots of debian machines. I'd like to be able to manage them centrally, e.g. add users, install files or packages, monitor log events, etc. is there any tool for this? |
| 22:48.49 | mrrhq | surfist: Gparted can do all that, if it supports the FS and partition layout. |
| 22:49.10 | surfist | so it grows and formats it? saving data? |
| 22:49.14 | preaction | gho: ldap, ansible, and rsyslog |
| 22:50.10 | *** join/#debian ffatman (~ffamousff@2a01:e35:8ad7:6b60:1d56:761a:f127:9429) |
| 22:50.42 | mrrhq | surfist: I'd make a backup to be safe, but yeah, growing it is mush safer than shrinking it. |
| 22:51.06 | mrrhq | You can grow the partition and it will keep all the files intact. |
| 22:51.20 | *** join/#debian ledixus (ledixus@evil-ant-colony.org) |
| 22:51.34 | *** join/#debian gluon (~gluon@185.164.138.18) |
| 22:51.43 | surfist | was just wondering if gparted was smart enough to figure out where to start formatting the new sectors |
| 22:51.55 | surfist | I heard it is |
| 22:52.19 | mrrhq | Gparted is good about detecting the sectors and resizing according to them. |
| 22:53.33 | surfist | so I use the slider and hit resize and it takes care of it all? |
| 22:53.55 | surfist | mostly double checking here instead of blundering through it... been a long time |
| 22:55.34 | mrrhq | When you hit the resize button, does it say it will reformat, or just say "grow or resize from X to Y?" |
| 22:55.50 | mrrhq | It won't perform the resize until you confirm it, so don't worry. |
| 22:56.17 | *** join/#debian dethos (~dethos@84.23.213.204) |
| 22:56.17 | surfist | yeah... am not there yet.. am using the computer now .. will have to boot it from the usb |
| 22:56.28 | surfist | doing homework beforehand |
| 22:56.41 | mrrhq | If it looks okay, you can hit the apply button. You just don't want to actually reformat, otherwise you will lose files. |
| 22:57.01 | mrrhq | But yeah, growing and shrinking is supposed to be non-destructive. |
| 22:57.18 | surfist | reformat would be bad ... heh.. but formatting the new sectors is gonna be needed.. to blend in with the others |
| 22:59.13 | *** join/#debian learjet60xr_ (~learjet60@50-88-60-50.res.bhn.net) |
| 22:59.19 | surfist | I guess that's transparent and automatic |
| 22:59.23 | pingfloyd | surfist: you backed up the data didn't you? |
| 22:59.55 | surfist | nope... might wait a while, accordingly |
| 23:00.02 | surfist | but it's only 20 gigs |
| 23:00.21 | mrrhq | If you have an external drive, I would do a full backup: sudo dd if=/dev/sdX of=/path/to/folder/drive.dat bs=64K |
| 23:00.34 | mrrhq | Just in case. :) |
| 23:00.46 | pingfloyd | worst case you lose data, but that's why you have backups |
| 23:00.51 | surfist | yeap |
| 23:01.03 | surfist | I've saved entire partitions before by backing them up first |
| 23:01.05 | pingfloyd | with a known good working backup you can proceed with more confidence |
| 23:01.07 | surfist | esp windoze |
| 23:01.37 | mrrhq | Lol, 20 Gigs. Oh yeah, I have an SSD that's 80 GB. Pretty small but works! |
| 23:01.40 | *** join/#debian klow (~textual@c-67-161-106-89.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 23:01.45 | pingfloyd | besides, let's say for the sake of argument you do everything right, there could still be problems from bugs. |
| 23:01.55 | surfist | all I wanted was a root system to start from |
| 23:01.59 | *** join/#debian monpocchi (~monpocchi@unaffiliated/monpocchi) |
| 23:02.03 | surfist | data lives on other partitions |
| 23:02.39 | pingfloyd | it's unlikely you'll run into bugs that will be such a problem because of the extensive testing and quality control done, but it's still never impossible |
| 23:05.12 | surfist | the worst thing at this point is lots of typing in config files gets lost.. but /etc gets backed up a lot |
| 23:05.43 | surfist | or the whole thing borks and gets reinstalled.. the configs copied |
| 23:05.49 | surfist | the/then |
| 23:06.00 | *** join/#debian crash_ (~pi@81-224-101-125-no186.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 23:07.07 | *** join/#debian gluon (~gluon@185.164.138.18) |
| 23:07.37 | *** join/#debian kusen (~kusen@c83-248-22-147.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 23:08.13 | surfist | I basically couldn't remember if gparted just sets partition boundaries only, or also adjusts the file table |
| 23:08.26 | surfist | and new sector formatting |
| 23:09.44 | *** join/#debian mar77i (~mar77i@77-56-218-203.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 23:10.29 | *** join/#debian kernalogs (~jacko@cpc76564-dals22-2-0-cust445.20-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 23:10.40 | *** join/#debian AfroThundr (~AfroThund@c-73-200-98-32.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 23:15.20 | *** join/#debian takyashi (~bishop@brc140.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1669] by debhelper |
| 23:19.15 | *** join/#debian acidfu_ (~acidfoo@24-212-247-227.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:20.31 | *** join/#debian uestra (~uestra@p5DDA5C64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:20.31 | *** join/#debian ShapeShifter499 (~ShapeShif@unaffiliated/shapeshifter499) |
| 23:20.38 | *** join/#debian Slumlord_ (~Slumlord_@mc32c36d0.tmodns.net) |
| 23:23.29 | *** join/#debian Ad1 (~Adrian@public-gprs383518.centertel.pl) |
| 23:23.46 | *** join/#debian tonyctl (~Thunderbi@2601:cf:8002:73da:6d9f:2a42:cb6c:6556) |
| 23:24.16 | tonyctl | does apt-get support resuming downloads when there is a network failure during an upgrade? |
| 23:25.46 | *** join/#debian nuno_nunes (~PC@62.169.125.90.rev.optimus.pt) |
| 23:25.59 | RoyK | tonyctl: yes |
| 23:26.38 | tonyctl | RoyK: thanks, do you know if it is the same when the debian repository is accessed over ssh? |
| 23:27.26 | tonyctl | it would be so easy to use rsync so I'm guessing it does that |
| 23:28.11 | awal1_ | Is 'zypper' good compared to apt/apt-get/aptitude as under suze? |
| 23:31.04 | *** join/#debian SpaceAce (~SpaceAce@124-150-68-179.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:31.52 | *** join/#debian gluon (~gluon@2a06:8ec0:0:30d4::1) |
| 23:33.00 | *** join/#debian SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) |
| 23:33.12 | *** join/#debian takyashi (~bishop@brc140.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:33.25 | *** join/#debian iWaldo (iWaldo___@unaffiliated/iwaldo) |
| 23:35.54 | *** part/#debian anuxivm (~anuxi@92.185.154.236) |
| 23:35.58 | *** join/#debian alexandros_c (~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531) |
| 23:36.14 | *** join/#debian RickXy (~zncadmin@27.7.124.128) |
| 23:37.15 | mrrhq | I wouldn't know because I don't use SUSE/OpenSuse. |
| 23:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1660] by debhelper |
| 23:39.46 | eterna | Hello, is there a way to require a password for the sudo command but different from the user? What I mean is if somebody else has access to my terminal, they can do anything by using sudo and my password. Is there some kind of ways to restrict what can be done via the sudo command? like just adding or removing packages for example |
| 23:39.50 | *** join/#debian Slumlord_ (~Slumlord_@mc32c36d0.tmodns.net) |
| 23:41.27 | tonyctl | eterna: yeah, look at the sudo config documentation for how to do that |
| 23:41.44 | eterna | tonyctl: thank you, at least I know it is possible :) |
| 23:42.04 | tonyctl | if you are really paranoid, you could use `su` to change users to a user with more priveleges and then run sudo from that user |
| 23:42.32 | tonyctl | `su` in that case would ask for the privileged users password |
| 23:42.36 | *** join/#debian amcorreia (~amcorreia@2804:7f5:280:2ea1::1) |
| 23:43.28 | eterna | tonyctl: that could be an alternative, but I am not that paranoid :P |
| 23:44.13 | *** join/#debian SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@177.130.132.27) |
| 23:44.13 | *** join/#debian SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) |
| 23:44.19 | tonyctl | I don't know what you would really gain from that in a single user system though because if someone could steal your password, they could steal the other users password too |
| 23:44.29 | teraflops | cascade su approach :P |
| 23:45.23 | eterna | lol |
| 23:45.26 | eterna | tonyctl: do you know of a good guide to secure a debian box right after an install? I disabled root login through ssh, created a user, added this user to sudo, installed chkrootkit and its running periodic checks. But what I am wondering is if there are any tools that makes it simpler to see what happens in a debian box |
| 23:46.04 | tonyctl | eterna: I don't know of any good security guides, but if you find one ping me |
| 23:46.14 | eterna | :P |
| 23:46.26 | debkad | :D |
| 23:46.43 | *** join/#debian fguillot (~fguillot@bas3-montreal42-1242353333.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 23:47.33 | *** join/#debian bollocks_k (~bollocks@fedora/bollocks) |
| 23:48.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1653] by debhelper |
| 23:49.21 | *** join/#debian lethu (~lethu@unaffiliated/lethu) |
| 23:53.46 | *** join/#debian CEnnis91 (uid3543@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ngfgbfejulnyshqp) |
| 23:55.42 | *** join/#debian Shentino (~Shentino@gentoo/contributor/shentino) |
| 23:55.50 | eterna | tonyctl: well this one gives some basics: https://plusbryan.com/my-first-5-minutes-on-a-server-or-essential-security-for-linux-servers |
| 23:56.25 | *** join/#debian howitdo (~howitdo@unaffiliated/howitdo) |
| 23:57.40 | *** join/#debian SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) |
| 23:58.56 | tonyctl | cool I'll read it since I'm about to put some stuff in production |
| 23:59.00 | *** join/#debian PadawanLearner (~Joao@a89-153-108-120.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 23:59.19 | javak | Hey, when having a cryptroot device in crypttab and fstab - how can I tell the initramfs to unlock 3 more devices so that it can import the root zpool? |
| 23:59.26 | eterna | it talks about ubuntu but in general it is the same |
| 23:59.54 | *** join/#debian gnunicor1 (~ah@40-169-11.connect.netcom.no) |
