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| 00:00.31 | javak | As far as I understand cryptroot is expected to get mounted on /, but in my case I need more than just that one drive for booting my system. |
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| 00:02.47 | eterna | javak: I found that on google |
| 00:02.49 | eterna | http://askubuntu.com/questions/7002/how-to-set-up-multiple-hard-drives-as-one-volume |
| 00:03.03 | miaoMish | when apt-get downloads a .deb file in jessie, where does it go? I just got a hash sum mismatch and I want to examine the deb file, but I "find / -name <file.deb> failed |
| 00:03.09 | eterna | javak: or https://www.martineve.com/2012/11/02/luks-encrypting-multiple-partitions-on-debianubuntu-with-a-single-passphrase/ |
| 00:03.14 | eterna | maybe it can help you |
| 00:03.28 | miaoMish | jelly: halp |
| 00:04.37 | eterna | javak: and on this one it talks about using the same pass for multiple disks |
| 00:04.43 | eterna | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/32541/linux-luks-and-multiple-hard-drives |
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| 00:06.46 | javak | eterna, thanks. But I don't have the problems with lvm on luks on mdadm for example. So I guess its more zfsonlinux related. |
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| 00:07.05 | eterna | oh ok |
| 00:07.07 | elena | hello |
| 00:07.17 | elena | how do I add a language? |
| 00:08.12 | eterna | elena: you mean a keyboard locale? |
| 00:08.15 | d_himro | elena: dpkg-reconfigure localses? |
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| 00:08.43 | dob1 | hi, can someone suggest me an ftp command line client that support bandwidth limit |
| 00:08.43 | elena | eterna, yes add a language to the system |
| 00:08.50 | d_himro | maybe it help |
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| 00:08.57 | eterna | Take a look at this: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/211598/add-a-foreign-keyboard-layout-to-gnome-in-debian-8 |
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| 00:10.42 | eterna | elena: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 00:10.48 | eterna | dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 00:10.55 | eterna | This configures the keyboard for the Linux console and the X Window updates configuration parameters in "/etc/default/keyboard" and "/etc/default/console-setup". |
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| 00:11.43 | elena | for god's sake, can't I add a language to the system simply |
| 00:11.45 | elena | ? |
| 00:12.26 | eterna | This seems to be the simplest way |
| 00:12.54 | elena | wow |
| 00:13.04 | eterna | It is a setup like command |
| 00:13.06 | elena | okay thanks anyways |
| 00:13.13 | eterna | when you type it in the terminal you can choose what you need |
| 00:13.21 | eterna | elena: at least I tried to healp :P |
| 00:13.24 | eterna | help I mean |
| 00:13.34 | elena | YUP ;) |
| 00:14.34 | elena | eterna, will this change or add a new language? |
| 00:14.56 | eterna | you using graphical interface on the system? |
| 00:15.28 | elena | ofcourse |
| 00:15.29 | elena | lxde |
| 00:16.06 | eterna | just found out there is a language switcher |
| 00:16.08 | eterna | for lxde |
| 00:16.12 | eterna | maybe it could help, let me see |
| 00:16.21 | elena | there is a language changer |
| 00:16.28 | eterna | yeah |
| 00:16.29 | elena | but I need to instsll the font |
| 00:16.47 | eterna | hmmm |
| 00:16.57 | elena | I did something in a horrifying prehistoric interface |
| 00:16.58 | elena | i |
| 00:17.04 | eterna | lol |
| 00:17.12 | elena | ill restart the system and see what it did |
| 00:17.14 | elena | ;) |
| 00:17.33 | eterna | heh |
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| 00:47.02 | elena | hello |
| 00:47.14 | elena | how do I install skype? |
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| 00:50.33 | judyroth | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i9Z5IS5fZE |
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| 00:54.17 | preaction | !ops judyroth spam/racism |
| 00:54.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: preaction complains about: judyroth spam/racism |
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| 00:55.09 | judyroth | preaction, Exposing Jewish supremacists is my duty. The only racism is the racism of the Jewish supremacists against humanity. |
| 00:55.14 | judyroth | preaction, Now quiet down. |
| 00:56.45 | surfist | elena it's available at microsoft website as a .deb download .. then you dpkg -i skype.deb (simplified text) |
| 00:57.09 | elena | okay thanks |
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| 01:31.27 | ahmed751995 | excuse me guys , is debian live containing non-free firmware ? |
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| 01:34.17 | equilibrio | ahmed751995: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ |
| 01:34.52 | equilibrio | If any of the hardware in your system requires non-free firmware to be loaded with the device driver, you can use one of the tarballs of common firmware packages |
| 01:35.06 | debkad | ahmed751995, why for what device? |
| 01:35.10 | equilibrio | now just have to know if its in the dvd or cd you downloaded |
| 01:35.32 | equilibrio | netinst (generally 240-290 MB) non-free CD images with firmware |
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| 01:35.45 | debkad | agreed |
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| 01:36.10 | equilibrio | :P |
| 01:36.22 | debkad | i downloaded the backport kernel and the firmware me too to be able to use internet |
| 01:37.41 | miaoMish | when apt-get downloads a .deb file in jessie, where does it go? I just got a hash sum mismatch and I want to examine the deb file, but I "find / -name <file.deb> failed |
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| 01:37.58 | ahmed751995 | debkad: it's my first time intstalling debian so i want to be sure that all my hardware will work or not |
| 01:37.59 | debkad | in cache |
| 01:38.12 | ahmed751995 | equilibrio: thanks alot for helping |
| 01:38.12 | miaoMish | debkad: but where is this cache? |
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| 01:38.40 | equilibrio | ahmed751995: no probs, found that too: For convenience for some users, there is an alternative unofficial netinst CD build which includes non-free firmware for extra support for some awkward hardware. Look under /cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ if you need that CD image instead. |
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| 01:38.47 | debkad | you can simply do find / -name "*.deb" :) |
| 01:40.25 | debkad | miaoMish, in my machine it is here /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 01:41.45 | miaoMish | debkad: yeah but due to the mismatch, I think it didn't make it into apt/archives |
| 01:42.02 | miaoMish | how am I supposed to examine a mismatched .deb if apt-get deletes it? lol |
| 01:42.05 | debkad | use the command above |
| 01:42.11 | miaoMish | debkad: i did |
| 01:42.12 | debkad | ah |
| 01:42.19 | debkad | you deleted it? |
| 01:42.23 | miaoMish | no |
| 01:42.31 | debkad | autoclean? |
| 01:42.34 | miaoMish | apt-get automatically did when it detected a hash-sum mismatch |
| 01:42.41 | debkad | ok |
| 01:42.43 | miaoMish | i didn't run any command to delete it |
| 01:43.09 | debkad | download it again :p |
| 01:43.52 | debkad | apt-get download package_you_want |
| 01:44.05 | debkad | it will download it in the current directory |
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| 01:48.04 | miaoMish | thanks |
| 01:48.25 | debkad | you're welcome :) |
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| 02:00.57 | trophywitch | Hellstorm: the Death of Nazi Germany, 1944-1947 is considered one of those âgame changersâ, a book so powerful because it is written in the perspective of the victims. Millions of Germans were murdered after the end of the hostilities, and countless millions of woman were brutally raped by both the Western American/British, but especially sadistic were the Jewish inspired and led hordes coming out of the steppes of primitive Russia. |
| 02:01.02 | trophywitch | http://www.renegadetribune.com/itel-radio-thomas-goodrich-hellstorm-revisited/ |
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| 02:02.59 | debkad | o_o |
| 02:03.39 | brightnesss | https://www.amazon.com/Hellstorm-Death-Nazi-Germany-1944-1947/dp/1494775069 |
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| 02:04.08 | debkad | it become a political channel |
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| 02:04.26 | themill | debkad: spam is spam, please ignore it. |
| 02:04.33 | debkad | ok |
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| 02:07.11 | random_numbers | Anyone know of a wiki parser for the wikipedia xml dumps that is in the packages? |
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| 02:10.48 | miaoMish | i had an issue because my /boot is mounted as ro. "update-initramfs: Not updating /boot/initrd.img-<kernelversionhere>" # how can I manually make that update go through after I have remounted as rw? |
| 02:11.06 | miaoMish | update-initramfs -u #? |
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| 02:12.41 | miaoMish | alright seems to have done it |
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| 02:15.49 | cfics | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz2rDRbSqFw |
| 02:16.11 | cfics | Ken O'Keefe Unveils The Truth About Adolf Hitler |
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| 02:17.21 | miaoMish | /pol/ spam, themill? |
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| 02:21.29 | jmss | Hi, I have just booted Jessie for BeagleBoard-xM and it seems to have DHCP configured somehow. File interfaces has no entries, but it is confiugred somehow. Is this some new service? |
| 02:22.07 | jmss | I added a static configuration to /etc/network/interfaces but it is ignored |
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| 02:38.54 | pingfloyd | jmss: are you using network manager? |
| 02:39.21 | jmss | no. it's a CLI image. I think it is avahi: |
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| 02:39.48 | pingfloyd | network manager isn't necessarily gui |
| 02:39.55 | themill | is this actually debian or some derivative? |
| 02:40.16 | pingfloyd | it also has a daemon |
| 02:40.18 | jmss | themill: how do I know? |
| 02:40.36 | jmss | pingfloyd: let me check |
| 02:40.41 | themill | well... if you didn't download it from debian.org then it could be anything... |
| 02:42.43 | jmss | themill: it's for a single-board computer beagleboard-xm |
| 02:43.16 | jmss | the image from debian.org would not run on this hardware unchanged |
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| 02:45.12 | heheheh | My desktop manager is lightdm, when I try to sign in I get a black screen and sent back to the login screen with the correct credentials. I tried deleting and readding the same user account, but I experience the same issue. |
| 02:45.40 | cra1g321 | heh- maybe check top right of lightdm what session it's set to |
| 02:46.01 | equilibrio | heheheh: i add the same issue, the solution was to add a special command to the useradd string |
| 02:46.15 | heh- | ah |
| 02:46.18 | jmss | avahi seems to ignore my static conf and use DHCP: http://pastebin.com/bgjCtLCt |
| 02:46.19 | heh- | what do you suggest? |
| 02:46.19 | equilibrio | otherwise even with the good credentials it doesnt log one sec |
| 02:46.25 | heh- | thanks |
| 02:47.12 | jmss | heh-: .xsession-errors should show the error? |
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| 02:48.41 | equilibrio | try useradd -m username |
| 02:48.44 | equilibrio | sorry for delay |
| 02:48.45 | heh- | thanks let me try that now |
| 02:48.49 | heh- | :) |
| 02:48.57 | equilibrio | i remember that without the home directory it was bugging |
| 02:49.02 | equilibrio | this switch auto-creates the home dir |
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| 02:49.24 | themill | jmss: the trouble is, we have no knowledge of what is installed, how it is currently configured and how to change that sensibly. |
| 02:49.26 | heh- | should i delete the existing home directory before readding it? |
| 02:49.31 | heh- | *before readding the user |
| 02:49.38 | equilibrio | yes maybe there was some bad permissions set |
| 02:49.42 | heh- | true |
| 02:49.49 | equilibrio | at least with the useradd command setting it up you are sure about it :P |
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| 02:50.05 | heh- | its deleting now thanks =] |
| 02:50.13 | equilibrio | man did I scratch my head on this one lol |
| 02:50.22 | themill | jmss: avahi isn't configuring the network there, it's only advertising the configuration to other zeroconf devices on your local network |
| 02:50.49 | jmss | themill: OK, I thought avahi was somehow new (active) on Jessie or so |
| 02:51.25 | jmss | themill: hum, so why does it mention the .3 that I set and the .156 that it really is using? |
| 02:51.33 | themill | avahi has been around for a long time and it might be a dhcp-of-last-resort but not here |
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| 02:52.07 | themill | jmss: can you pastebin all of /etc/network/interfaces and the output of "ip a"? |
| 02:52.10 | pingfloyd | also the dead giveaway for zeroconf would be the ip address it assigns |
| 02:52.42 | pingfloyd | link-local address |
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| 02:53.00 | themill | s/zeroconf/zeroconf autoip/ |
| 02:54.28 | themill | we're looking at avahi-daemon output there, not avahi-autoipd |
| 02:56.27 | jmss | themill: here: http://pastebin.com/85GE55Wx |
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| 02:57.34 | jmss | each time it reboots, it increments the assigned IP address, now it is .157 |
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| 02:58.13 | themill | fun |
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| 03:00.17 | jmss | this board does not have an ethernet card, it's "emulated" through USB, maybe it has a different mac address each time and my router thinks it's a different device? |
| 03:00.17 | themill | boot it another 97 times and it will have the right IP for you again |
| 03:00.30 | jmss | lol |
| 03:01.28 | miaoMish | alright i'm trying to dist-upgrade from jessie to sid and i'm getting "The following packages cannot be authenticated" -- what do? |
| 03:01.45 | jmss | I'll disable avahi, I don't think I'll need it (I don't think I ever used avahi) |
| 03:01.54 | kingkong | what's -H flag stands for before runing a command? |
| 03:01.58 | miaoMish | i have debian-archive-keyring but not debian-keyring |
| 03:02.12 | miaoMish | and debian-keyring cannot be authenticated :-( |
| 03:02.17 | surfist | apt-get update first? |
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| 03:02.54 | debkad | you can may be link the service of avahi to /dev/null |
| 03:03.03 | debkad | it is better to remove it |
| 03:03.15 | debkad | s/to/than |
| 03:03.35 | pingfloyd | jmss: are you assigning an ip address within the same range as your dhcp range? |
| 03:04.00 | jmss | pingfloyd, no |
| 03:04.24 | pingfloyd | what looks odds is eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,DYNAMIC,UP,LOWER_UP> (notice the DYNAMIC). |
| 03:06.38 | pingfloyd | what's ip a l dynamic return? |
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| 03:08.40 | jmss | OK, it's not avahi, I've disabled it and the behavior is the same |
| 03:08.44 | jmss | let me check NM |
| 03:09.33 | jmss | root@arm:~# ps auxw|grep nm |
| 03:09.33 | jmss | root 758 0.0 0.7 6380 3920 ? Ss 03:03 0:00 /usr/sbin/connmand -n |
| 03:09.48 | jmss | found connmand while looking for NM :) |
| 03:10.04 | pingfloyd | we know it's not avahi |
| 03:10.50 | debkad | NetworkManager or networking or something like that for NM |
| 03:12.04 | pingfloyd | "ConnMan is a command-line network manager designed for use with embedded devices and fast resolve times." |
| 03:12.06 | jmss | seems to be connmand, really |
| 03:12.11 | pingfloyd | yep |
| 03:12.27 | pingfloyd | so you should try to see if there is a way to disable connman next |
| 03:12.53 | jmss | yes, theres seems to be not conf file |
| 03:12.54 | pingfloyd | maybe try: systemctl | grep connman |
| 03:13.09 | pingfloyd | see if there is a unit file for it |
| 03:13.14 | pingfloyd | also check in /etc/init.d |
| 03:13.14 | debkad | systemctl status con and hit tab |
| 03:13.33 | pingfloyd | you could try that as well |
| 03:14.02 | jmss | yes, I did that and disabled it |
| 03:14.08 | debkad | good |
| 03:14.21 | jmss | I was just looking for a config file to make a sanity check that it was set for DHCP |
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| 03:14.43 | pingfloyd | connman probably acts as dhcp client of some sort |
| 03:14.49 | pingfloyd | or makes use of one |
| 03:16.13 | jmss | done :) |
| 03:16.19 | jmss | was avahi of any use? |
| 03:16.28 | jmss | this is just a print server, nothing else |
| 03:16.39 | jmss | 1 USB printer that's all |
| 03:19.08 | pingfloyd | jmss: zerconf/avahi is for discovery of devices on a network in an adhoc fashion |
| 03:20.14 | jmss | pingfloyd: OK, so not need for it whatsoever |
| 03:20.21 | pingfloyd | probably not in your case |
| 03:20.50 | pingfloyd | Avahi is a system which enables programs to publish and discover services and hosts running on a local network. For example, a user can plug their computer into a network and have Avahi automatically advertise the network services running on the machine which could enable access to files and printers. |
| 03:20.54 | ninjai | is there any software that will do a slideshow of video and pictures, and permit a manual spec for delay on a picture? |
| 03:21.24 | pingfloyd | jmss: you could just disable avahi for now |
| 03:21.34 | pingfloyd | jmss: then if you find you end up needing it at some point, enable it |
| 03:22.00 | jmss | yeap |
| 03:22.21 | pingfloyd | it's usually best to only run services you need |
| 03:22.35 | pingfloyd | smaller attack surface |
| 03:23.40 | pingfloyd | if in doubt, disable a service, then if you find functionality turning up missing, figure out which service you need. |
| 03:23.42 | debkad | ninjai, to create that as a video or just to show them? |
| 03:23.57 | ninjai | just show them |
| 03:24.14 | ninjai | IE display picture 1, then play video clip 1, then picture 2, 3, 4, video clip 2, etc |
| 03:24.30 | ninjai | basically I want a slideshow that also accepts video clips |
| 03:24.50 | debkad | for images you can use something like feh and for video may be you need something with video editors |
| 03:25.58 | debkad | ffmpeg can make a video like that with concat option ( concatenation ) it have ffplay as a player may be you can put the same command to just see without create a video for it |
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| 03:31.45 | jmss | thank you all for the support |
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| 04:41.57 | olliee | apt get |
| 04:41.57 | apt | get is, like, search http://www.apt-get.org |
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| 05:13.40 | cdchapm2 | hi guys |
| 05:13.56 | cdchapm2 | i have a laptop with jesse installed. every time i use the touchscreen and switch to gnome-terminal |
| 05:14.03 | cdchapm2 | the on screen keyboard appears |
| 05:14.19 | cdchapm2 | how do you disable this? the on screen keyboard is already disabled in the universal access menu |
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| 05:37.32 | urand0m | im trying to install this package but get this error http://pastebin.com/ZRZst8wb |
| 05:37.41 | regedit | hi debian please have openssl 1.0.2 so we can serve http2 to chrome users, kthx |
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| 05:39.46 | jmcnaught | ,v libswingworker-java |
| 05:39.47 | judd | No package named 'libswingworker-java' was found in amd64. |
| 05:40.01 | jmcnaught | urand0m: why do you think this package exists? |
| 05:40.46 | jmcnaught | ,v openssl |
| 05:40.47 | judd | Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u21; jessie-security: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u5; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1.0.2h-1~bpo8+2; sid: 1.0.2h-1; stretch: 1.0.2h-1; experimental: 1.1.0-1 |
| 05:41.09 | jmcnaught | regedit: did you try the version in backports? |
| 05:41.19 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell regedit about bdo |
| 05:42.02 | urand0m | jmcnaught, because webcamstudio 0.61 depends upon it |
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| 05:43.29 | jmcnaught | urand0m: do you have a .deb of webcamstudio that depends on libswingworker-java? or you need that library somehow for a binary tarball you've downloaded? |
| 05:43.53 | urand0m | theres a newer version of webcam studio 0.7.3 but theres not deb file for it.. i dont know how to install the newest version and it appears im having many dependency issues when trying to install the older version |
| 05:44.29 | jmcnaught | urand0m: if you're having dependency problems with a .deb it probably was not made for Debian |
| 05:44.30 | urand0m | jmcnaught, 0.61 has a deb file and thats what im trying to install from.. but i cant find a deb file for 0.7.3 |
| 05:44.45 | urand0m | well theres a ppa but its for ubuntu |
| 05:45.21 | jmcnaught | Ubuntu and Debian are not binary compatible. Sharing a common package format does not mean the packages are interchangeable |
| 05:45.57 | urand0m | there is a folder in the new version called debian with a readme file but it doesn't say much |
| 05:46.44 | jmcnaught | urand0m: if the program has a binary tarball you can download it might be simpler just to use that (installed in /opt, /usr/local, or in your $HOME) |
| 05:47.30 | urand0m | when i try to run the binary WebcamStudio it says Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/webcamstudio" (No such file or directory). |
| 05:47.38 | regedit | jmcnaught: hm interesting, thanks |
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| 05:48.22 | jmcnaught | urand0m: yuck. |
| 05:49.12 | urand0m | im running debian jessie 8.5 btw |
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| 05:50.44 | jmcnaught | urand0m: did that binary come from a tarball? |
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| 05:51.38 | urand0m | jmcnaught, webcamstudio_0.73-r604.tar.xz |
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| 05:51.58 | AlexLikeRock | what its the better code to mySql ? utf8 or ISO 8859-1 ? i need include "ñ" "à" "è" "ì" "ò" "ù" "â" "ê" "û" |
| 05:52.23 | urand0m | jmcnaught, i got it from here https://sourceforge.net/projects/webcamstudio/ |
| 05:52.51 | jmcnaught | urand0m: and then you extracted it to your home directory, ran the binary, and it said it couldn't find /usr/bin/webcamstudio? |
| 05:53.02 | michal_ | AlexLikeRock: probably utf8 in case you need another letter later |
| 05:53.19 | urand0m | indeed. i also checked to make sure the executable permission was checked |
| 05:53.39 | michal_ | utf8 is most widely used nowadays so it's most likely least broken |
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| 05:54.06 | AlexLikeRock | yes, ex "josè arturo" |
| 05:54.10 | AndChat26676 | What is the latest stable release? |
| 05:54.28 | jmcnaught | urand0m: well i wouldn't install that then. only dpkg packages should make files in /usr/bin, stuff installed from tarballs belongs in /usr/local/bin. You could maybe ask their IRC channel how to accomplish that |
| 05:54.52 | AndChat26676 | With the latest stable, does that mean that Firefox is outdated? |
| 05:55.02 | AlexLikeRock | michal_, if i use " ISO 8859-1" they make problems ? |
| 05:55.13 | urand0m | jmcnaught, its a program similar to manycam or webcam max for windows.. if you know of a program that will allow me to stream my desktop other than webcam studio i would be willing to try something else. years ago when i used to use webcam studio i remember it being a resource hog anyway |
| 05:55.30 | AlexLikeRock | what characters lose , to English ? |
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| 05:55.58 | jmcnaught | AndChat26676: Debian 8 is the latest stable, yesterday 8.6 was released https://www.debian.org/News/2016/20160917. Debian stable uses Firefox-esr |
| 05:56.54 | AndChat26676 | Is that an outdated version thT might give problems.brosaing? |
| 05:56.55 | michal_ | AlexLikeRock: if you do not want to lose time on figuring out which characters you can and cannot represent use utf8. If you want to use ISO 8859-1 just because you can go ahead |
| 05:57.16 | AndChat26676 | @jmc |
| 05:57.32 | jmcnaught | AndChat26676: no |
| 05:57.53 | jmcnaught | urand0m: you can start by looking at "apt-cache search webcam" and https://blends.debian.org/multimedia/tasks/broadcasting |
| 05:58.31 | AndChat26676 | What desktop is most similar to windows hi? |
| 05:58.55 | AndChat26676 | *windows ui |
| 05:59.17 | somiaj | AndChat26676: which windows are you talking about? like xp/windows 7 or more like windows 10? |
| 06:00.02 | somiaj | AndChat26676: I think kde might be more windows like. lxde is kinda simlar to windows (but more like winxp era) |
| 06:00.08 | AndChat26676 | Windows 10 -sorry using phone and noauto nick completion |
| 06:00.38 | AndChat26676 | What is more resource intensive KDE or gnome? |
| 06:00.56 | urand0m | KDE |
| 06:00.58 | somiaj | AndChat26676: I don't know of any desktop that gives a windows 10 feel, I am unsure what newer themes there are. |
| 06:01.11 | somiaj | I would say they are about the same depending on additional software you use. |
| 06:01.55 | AndChat26676 | It's a long time since I used Linux, seems lots have changed |
| 06:02.11 | michal_ | I don't thnk there is anything that emulates Metro. Besides that the Windows 10 desktop is not that different prom previous versions |
| 06:02.29 | urand0m | you can do some cool things with compiz fusion i think they named it to something else or vice versa idr .. stoner memory |
| 06:02.41 | AndChat26676 | I saw that Linux mint uses something that looks like it |
| 06:03.18 | michal_ | modern 'convergent' desktops like Gnome Unity or KDE Plasma are different from each other and the Windows 'convergent' desktop features |
| 06:03.18 | jmcnaught | AndChat26676: you might mean cinnamon, which is an option during the debian installer along with the others mentioned above |
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| 06:03.53 | urand0m | my hardware is crap so i use light desktop environments |
| 06:04.03 | michal_ | Sinnamon and Mate are desktops that provide something liek the classic windows desktop without Metro |
| 06:04.10 | michal_ | Cinnamon |
| 06:05.27 | urand0m | i used to use something way back in the day called e16 enlightenment and e17 enlightenment .. i liked e16 better |
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| 06:06.04 | michal_ | Enlightenment is cool but nothing like Windows |
| 06:06.25 | urand0m | is enlightenment still maintained? |
| 06:06.36 | michal_ | yes |
| 06:06.37 | makerman | anyone try out a power8 cpu with debian? curious to learn how it compares to xeons |
| 06:06.51 | michal_ | at least the upstream part |
| 06:06.59 | michal_ | the Debian packages are somewhat dated |
| 06:07.12 | aaro | e17 is now e20 or e21 i think |
| 06:07.41 | AndChat26676 | What desktop.environment would you guys recommend for or your dad? I need to ditch windows and some third party apps out of privacy concerns. But more pop arr using the same p |
| 06:07.43 | urand0m | interesting |
| 06:07.48 | AndChat26676 | Computer* |
| 06:07.56 | michal_ | AndChat26676: Mate |
| 06:08.49 | urand0m | AndChat26676, xfce, lxde |
| 06:08.50 | michal_ | in Debian it's even working quite well if you do fresh install and select it as the DE you want in installer |
| 06:09.09 | michal_ | well, lxde on a netbook or really crap hardware |
| 06:09.26 | michal_ | xfce is just odd |
| 06:09.55 | michal_ | undockable docks are confusing like hell and make you want to scream when you try to use that thing |
| 06:10.24 | michal_ | I mean non-dockable |
| 06:11.17 | jmcnaught | AndChat26676: i think GNOME is a good option because it has lots of features working out of the box, has a simple use paradigm, isn't very configurable (not overwhelming with options) |
| 06:11.21 | AlexLikeRock | MATE RULES !! ! = no SystemD = GOOD ! |
| 06:11.45 | michal_ | everything uses systemd |
| 06:11.52 | AlexLikeRock | GNOME3 sucks ! , they need systemD |
| 06:12.25 | AlexLikeRock | michal_, , i have my laptop WITOUTH SYSTEMD |
| 06:12.40 | AlexLikeRock | and my desktop too |
| 06:12.41 | jmcnaught | maybe it's time to move the desktop comparisons to #debian-offtopic and keep it to tech support here |
| 06:12.54 | AlexLikeRock | ok jmcnaught |
| 06:13.02 | AlexLikeRock | GNU RULES !! |
| 06:13.15 | michal_ | nothing wrong with gnome3 but it's not for people who do not want to learn new DE and just want to use the compter as they are used to |
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| 06:14.04 | urand0m | jmcnaught, https://sourceforge.net/p/webcamstudio/wiki/Home/ says they have a channel on here but theres no one in it :( |
| 06:15.19 | jmcnaught | urand0m: maybe try their mailing lists then. what you need to ask them is how to get the program running from /opt or /usr/local so you don't have to install it to /usr (where it will be hard to remove or upgrade). Unless of course this is covered in their INSTALL docs |
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| 06:16.53 | michal_ | anyone does networking? I am missing some DNS queries |
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| 06:17.22 | zeephus | hi low me buckos |
| 06:17.29 | michal_ | cannot find the packets anywhere |
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| 06:18.00 | urand0m | jmcnaught, https://sourceforge.net/p/webcamstudio/wiki/Home/ says the project is no longer maintained and that they're looking for developers |
| 06:18.20 | jmcnaught | urand0m: the reasons not to use this software keep stacking up |
| 06:18.42 | urand0m | indeed. theres got to be an alternative |
| 06:18.56 | Arcaire | This is, like, the go-to community assistance channel, right? |
| 06:19.20 | zeephus | contributing to software is the point |
| 06:19.34 | jmcnaught | Arcaire: for Debian, yes |
| 06:19.42 | Arcaire | I'm having an issue which appears to boil down to "my hardware is too new to work properly" -- I log in (KDE/SDDM) and am immediately greeted with a black screen. Jumping to TTY1 and running `top` shows `glxinfo` running at 100%CPU and thrashing everything. |
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| 06:20.34 | Arcaire | Intel Integrated Graphics 5000HD, Nvidia 970M. |
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| 06:21.17 | urand0m | years ago ubuntu didnt have 64 bit support for my new soundblaster xfi fatality pro soundcard for a long time they only had 32 bit support for that card |
| 06:21.17 | Arcaire | It may be pertinent to mention that it Worked on Ubuntu(tm) (after installing newer drivers than were available in 16.04 stable), but I wanted to run Debian. |
| 06:21.38 | zeephus | which windows utility is equivilant to the linux lspci ? |
| 06:22.27 | michal_ | zeephus: none. There are 3rd party tools somewhere |
| 06:22.38 | jmcnaught | Arcaire: Debian 8? also which packages are you using for the GPUs? Bumblebee? The nvidia driver in backports might support your GPU |
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| 06:23.12 | urand0m | zeephus, i don't think you can do that with windows power shell #windows might know |
| 06:23.15 | Arcaire | jmcnaught: Debian Testing (stretch?), I'm using the ones it installed when I installed KDE, which appear to xserver-xorg-video-nouveau. It doesn't install an intel one, but doing that makes it even worse and it won't even get to sddm. |
| 06:24.28 | jmcnaught | Arcaire: you might need to use https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee also you can check in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (the official testing/unstable support channel) to see if people there know more about your issue |
| 06:24.53 | Arcaire | jmcnaught: I did try using this and it actually locked up before X even loaded. |
| 06:24.57 | Arcaire | Total lockup. |
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| 06:46.14 | FOIU | The Jew Supremacists have been FOUND OUT and are not in desperation mode. They are scrambling to remain in control, in power, but the truth is like a tidal wave that is going to be most IMPOSSIBLE for them to defend against. |
| 06:47.28 | preaction | !ops FOIU racism |
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| 06:47.52 | FOIU | Looks like I won again, goyim |
| 06:47.57 | FOIU | Penetrated your security systems and spoke my say. |
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| 06:48.13 | Silvering | Hi everyone! I'm trying to deploy a django project to my debian server but I have this kind of errors messages on the apache log file : https://gist.github.com/Silvering/fd0558582825a0f4abfee2f31797738f Any idea? |
| 06:49.11 | jmcnaught | Silvering: what does "ls -l /var/log/apache2/suexec.log" say? |
| 06:49.26 | FOIU | We're DESTROYING the PATHETIC mass media's narrative in no time at all. |
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| 06:50.00 | Silvering | jmcnaught : it returns : -rw-r----- 1 root adm 3237 Sep 18 08:43 /var/log/apache2/suexec.log |
| 06:50.18 | michal_ | jair: there are probably several ready made tools to give you graphs of various networking stuff. If you want to so something yourself you probably want awk or sed or some scripting language |
| 06:51.18 | jmcnaught | Silvering: so what is the process that produces those errors? and what file were the messages in? |
| 06:51.42 | jair | hello michal_ thank you I am looking in google and sounds like awk or sed |
| 06:52.03 | jmcnaught | Silvering: i mean, are you starting apache in some unusual way? |
| 06:52.09 | jair | this is just a simple ping test to localhost for about 5000 pings |
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| 06:53.00 | Silvering | jmcnaught : The content of suexec.log is a lot of : [2016-09-18 08:43:14]: uid: (10002/admin_digital) gid: (1003/1003) cmd: django.cgi |
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| 06:53.29 | jmcnaught | Silvering: i meant the errors in your gist, what file did you find those in? |
| 06:54.12 | michal_ | makerman: how would you compare a power8 to xeon? |
| 06:54.21 | Silvering | jmcnaught: Because I trying to deploy django on this server I'm using a django.cgi. I found this errors in the plesk interface. I have a dedicated server running on debian 8 |
| 06:54.43 | michal_ | the system is not only about CPU but also the interconnects |
| 06:55.04 | jmcnaught | Silvering: did you deploy django using plesk? |
| 06:55.11 | michal_ | if you want CPU only comparison I am sure there are numerous artifical benchamrks out tehre on the interwebs |
| 06:56.01 | Silvering | jmcnaught: no, I just created a webdomain via plesk and a database linked to django settings.py |
| 06:56.06 | michal_ | ... and which power8 to which xeon ... |
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| 06:57.13 | michal_ | hm, well, maybe there are no public benchamrk if there is some license prohibiting benchmark results publishing. Happened in the past |
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| 06:58.37 | jmcnaught | Silvering: i don't know what "created a webdomain" means in plesk. did plesk supply the apache config, or did you? can you show us apache configuration for the site? |
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| 06:58.45 | peterrooney | themill: you'd save yourself a lot of time by banning the entire 71.19.252 block. they bring nothing but racist spam here. |
| 06:59.43 | vahe | hi,how to add a startup script that would start on behalf of user ? |
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| 07:01.24 | jmcnaught | vahe: systemd service units have a User= directive |
| 07:02.13 | Silvering | jmcnaught: Ah ok, plesk supply the apache config right. But, what I don't really understand, I just discover just now is that nginx and apache are installed and running on the server. a 'netstat -paunt' informs me that apache is listening on port 7080 and nginx on port 80.... |
| 07:02.29 | vahe | jmcnaught: do not understand sorry |
| 07:03.35 | jmcnaught | Silvering: you would need to ask plesk support how to deploy django using their system |
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| 07:04.29 | jmcnaught | Silvering: or remove plesk i guess |
| 07:04.51 | Silvering | jmcnaught : Ok thanks I'll look in this direction |
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| 07:06.20 | jmcnaught | vahe: systemd service units are the way to start things at boot. see "man systemd.service". If you are new to systemd you may want to supplement the man pages with https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/#thesystemdforadministratorsblogseries |
| 07:07.40 | vahe | jmcnaught: thanks |
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| 07:35.06 | Silvering | jmcnaught: Little message to thanks you a lot! I found the solution following this : https://devblog.plesk.com/2014/10/plesk-and-django/ |
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| 07:47.04 | c0mrade | WriteLn.Console ( " Hello " ) ; |
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| 07:47.23 | c0mrade | Can I use the same keypair for multiple EC2 instances? |
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| 07:49.02 | babilen | c0mrade: I'd suggest asking that in ##aws rather than #debian as it really has very little to do with the latter :) |
| 07:49.26 | babilen | Debian would be okay with that |
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| 07:59.42 | MrRobot_ | plz help i cannot open my internal harddrive partition from gui , |
| 08:00.15 | MrRobot_ | it shows unable to mount |
| 08:00.42 | MrRobot_ | anybody can help |
| 08:01.14 | tom99 | i don't know MrRoboto |
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| 08:02.41 | tom99 | domo arigatou |
| 08:03.23 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, how so |
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| 08:04.35 | MrRobot_ | i yesterday updated the system, and now m facing this issue |
| 08:05.00 | MrRobot_ | http://paste.debian.net/827200 checkthis |
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| 08:07.54 | MrRobot_ | plz help |
| 08:08.07 | maxcell_ | -.- |
| 08:09.02 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: plz help |
| 08:09.32 | themill | MrRobot_: it's hard to help when you don't ask a question or provide details |
| 08:09.38 | themill | !ask |
| 08:09.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:10.55 | MrRobot_ | i cannot open my drive , as it shows error msg "unable to access mydrive_name" , i am using debian 8 |
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| 08:11.23 | themill | "it" being what? |
| 08:11.58 | MrRobot_ | file manger shows this msg when i try to open the drive |
| 08:12.18 | borsin | i have a nvidia card. how would i reverse the "nvidia debian way" proprietary install and go back to the nouveau which was blacklisted? what the location for the blacklist? |
| 08:12.56 | maxcell_ | borsin, open the terminal and look at /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau see if the file exist |
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| 08:13.32 | MrRobot_ | dialogue box opens with this msg " unable to access partition name an operation already pending" |
| 08:14.18 | MrRobot_ | themill: what to do now |
| 08:14.23 | borsin | maxcell_: i have a nvidia-blacklists-nouveau there, it has a symlink though. how would i find out to where |
| 08:14.38 | themill | MrRobot_: I still have no idea what you are trying to do or how you are going about it |
| 08:15.11 | maxcell_ | borsin, i think in the "ls -l" it shows the symlink pointed to somewhere |
| 08:15.12 | MrRobot_ | themill: have u undestood my problem or i will rephrase |
| 08:15.17 | themill | not a clue |
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| 08:16.06 | MrRobot_ | when i open the drive from gui i get the error msg "unable to acess drive" |
| 08:16.11 | borsin | maxcell_: so i would just delete those files and reconfigure x? |
| 08:17.17 | MrRobot_ | themill: but from terminal when enter the "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /media/thinkpad/Data" |
| 08:17.36 | MrRobot_ | themill: it mounts the drive for me |
| 08:18.08 | maxcell_ | borsin, i think that if you just remove --purge nvidia-driver and install nouveau again it will remove nouveau from blacklist automatically, but i didnt try yet so, its good to know that blacklist is in /etc/modprobe.d folder |
| 08:18.39 | MrRobot_ | themill: but before yesterday i used to open the drive from gui and it asked for root password and later mounted automatically |
| 08:18.44 | borsin | ok, thanks |
| 08:18.48 | maxcell_ | borsin, if your system doesnt boot |
| 08:19.00 | maxcell_ | borsin, type "nomodeset" in the kernel boot at GRub |
| 08:19.20 | borsin | it currently boots with nvidia |
| 08:19.23 | MrRobot_ | themill: r u there |
| 08:20.00 | maxcell_ | borsin, the thing is that when you remove nvidia driver it probably will not boot without "nomodeset" option |
| 08:20.16 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: can u help me |
| 08:20.24 | borsin | ok |
| 08:20.59 | maxcell_ | borsin, did you know how to edit the boot options at grub and type nomodeset in the vmlinuz boot phrase? |
| 08:21.12 | borsin | maxcell_: yes |
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| 08:21.19 | themill | MrRobot_: did you upgrade to 8.6 yesterday/today? |
| 08:21.20 | maxcell_ | borsin, ok you will be fine |
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| 08:21.55 | MrRobot_ | themill: how to check debian version |
| 08:22.32 | borsin | MrRobot_: lsb_release -a |
| 08:23.12 | MrRobot_ | themill: yes it was upgraded to 8.6 |
| 08:24.06 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, what xwindow are you using |
| 08:24.21 | MrRobot_ | themill: gnome |
| 08:24.32 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, open the terminal and type lsblk |
| 08:24.51 | themill | MrRobot_: there's a distinct chance that you'd need to reboot to be able to load the kernel modules as a result of the upgrade |
| 08:25.17 | MrRobot_ | themill: i have rebooted |
| 08:25.49 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: what to do after lsblk |
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| 08:26.41 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, open a home folder and look at the drive you are trying to mount and locate him in the output of "lsblk" command |
| 08:26.59 | maxcell_ | and paste here |
| 08:27.18 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: part /media/thinkpad/Data |
| 08:28.07 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, this drive you are trying to mount should look like "/dev/sdX 1" or something like that |
| 08:28.33 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: /dev/sda2 |
| 08:28.49 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, paste the output of /dev/sda2 in lsblk command |
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| 08:29.23 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: sda2 8:2 0 170.5G 0 part /media/thinkpad/Data |
| 08:29.42 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, your drive is already mounted |
| 08:30.02 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: yes but using mount command |
| 08:30.03 | han-solo | check df |
| 08:30.19 | han-solo | umount /dev/sda2 |
| 08:30.28 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: i was able to acess the drive from gui |
| 08:30.38 | han-solo | then do, mount /dev/sda2 /media/thinkpad/Data |
| 08:30.45 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: but from yesterday i cannot |
| 08:30.57 | maxcell_ | do what han-solo says to see what happends |
| 08:31.04 | maxcell_ | in terminal |
| 08:31.10 | maxcell_ | without root |
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| 08:33.00 | MrRobot_ | han-solo: i did what u said |
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| 08:33.03 | MrRobot_ | han-solo: i did what u said |
| 08:33.11 | han-solo | and? |
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| 08:33.35 | han-solo | did you get "mount: only root can do that |
| 08:33.36 | han-solo | " |
| 08:33.38 | MrRobot_ | han-solo: still when i try to unmount from gui its shows "unable to umount" |
| 08:34.07 | MrRobot_ | han-solo: yes i know its root command i used sudo b4 |
| 08:34.09 | han-solo | well, maybe because it's busy |
| 08:34.33 | han-solo | umount -f /dev/sda2 |
| 08:34.53 | maxcell_ | without root |
| 08:34.58 | maxcell_ | :} |
| 08:35.17 | babilen | (or sudo) |
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| 08:35.43 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: i did with sudo |
| 08:36.02 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: still not able to open the drive from gui |
| 08:36.35 | nzozr | gone (auto-afk) |
| 08:36.39 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: same warning msg " unable to acess Data " |
| 08:36.46 | han-solo | is umount succefull? |
| 08:36.47 | MrRobot_ | han-solo: what to do now |
| 08:36.48 | babilen | nzozr: Turn that off please |
| 08:36.56 | maxcell_ | try to mount /dev/sda2 in the terminal without sudo MrRobot_ |
| 08:37.03 | MrRobot_ | han-solo: yes it was successful |
| 08:37.13 | han-solo | ^ |
| 08:37.14 | babilen | That is: NOT as root us using sudo |
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| 08:38.18 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: error msg in terminal "only root can do that" |
| 08:38.22 | julius_ | got a temporary space problem, i would like to remove libreoffice: apt remove libreoffice-* tells me that it wants to remove: ....gnome libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer libreoffice-base |
| 08:38.28 | julius_ | why the fuck does it want to remove gnome? |
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| 08:39.57 | MrRobot_ | han-solo: maxcell_ : what to do now |
| 08:40.04 | babilen | judd: why gnome libreoffice-base |
| 08:40.15 | judd | Packages gnome and libreoffice-base in jessie/amd64 are linked by 1 chains: gnome ⶠlibreoffice-evolution ⶠlibreoffice-base |
| 08:40.23 | babilen | judd: Because gnome (the metapackage) depends on it ^^ |
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| 08:41.23 | MrRobot_ | han-solo: r u there |
| 08:41.51 | julius_ | babilen, sure....gnome depends on libreoffice |
| 08:41.59 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, when you could mount this device before, it asks you for a password? |
| 08:42.13 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: yes |
| 08:42.28 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: it used to ask me for root password |
| 08:42.30 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, it ask now? |
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| 08:43.29 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: when i try open it as i used to it shows dialogue box with error msg " unable to acess Data " |
| 08:44.29 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: i always was able to open the said drive from gui |
| 08:45.17 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: now after i write sudo mount /dev/sd2 ..... in terminal . i can acess this drive only after this command |
| 08:45.20 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, try to install a little program, anything like leafpad in the Synaptic just to see if it asks for the password |
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| 08:45.44 | babilen | julius_: The gnome package does |
| 08:45.53 | babilen | dpkg: telll julius_ -about install gnome |
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| 08:45.58 | julius_ | how stupid is that |
| 08:46.04 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: synaptics isnt opening |
| 08:46.18 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, ... |
| 08:46.23 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: synaptics isnt opening from gui |
| 08:46.46 | babilen | julius_: It essentially boils down to "What is Gnome?" and you opted to install the "gnome" metapackage which pulls in everything and the kitchen sink to provide a "complete" desktop experience |
| 08:46.47 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, open the Startup Applications in you gnome menu |
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| 08:47.16 | babilen | julius_: I'd recommend to install one of the smaller metapackages and explicitly mark those applications as manually installed that you want to keep |
| 08:47.33 | babilen | julius_: Please refer to the private message our bot, dpkg, sent you |
| 08:47.43 | julius_ | oh, sorry...did not see them |
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| 08:48.02 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: i did |
| 08:48.10 | julius_ | hm ok, thanks |
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| 08:48.18 | babilen | dpkg: install gnome |
| 08:48.18 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 08:48.21 | babilen | julius_: ^^^ |
| 08:48.21 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: nothing happens after i click on synaptics |
| 08:48.31 | julius_ | im gonna move /usr/lib/libreoffice for now, jsut to get some temporary space and /usr/share/doc |
| 08:48.44 | babilen | julius_: I typically just go with 5. and take it from there |
| 08:49.01 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: nor i am able to gparted from gnome menu |
| 08:49.05 | babilen | julius_: No, the "gnome" package is meaningless .. it doesn't contain anything but dependencies |
| 08:49.05 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, i think you should reinstall your gnome metapackage |
| 08:49.16 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: how |
| 08:49.19 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, i think the problem is that the gnome arent asking you for a sudo password |
| 08:49.30 | babilen | julius_: The problem is that apt will remove other packages that are now "no longer needed" (as they were not manually installed and nothing depends on them) |
| 08:49.31 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, it happens to me once |
| 08:49.47 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: how to reisntall gnome |
| 08:50.10 | babilen | julius_: So you have to tell the packaging system what you want to keep by explicitly installing those packages (apt install $PKG) or marking them as manually installed (apt-mark manual $PKG) |
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| 08:52.33 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: how to reisntall gnome |
| 08:52.49 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, apt-get remove --purge gnome |
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| 08:53.10 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, then apt-get install gnome |
| 08:53.37 | babilen | Well .. that wouldn't do anything |
| 08:53.58 | babilen | You'd rather want "apt-get --purge autoremove gnome" but even that might leave something behind |
| 08:54.45 | maxcell_ | babilen, the gnome arent asking him for a password to do things like mounting a device, all i can think of at the moment is reinstall in the hope the "new" gnome bring this feature |
| 08:55.09 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: i did |
| 08:55.28 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, apt-get autoremove now |
| 08:55.34 | babilen | Maybe gksu is not installed? |
| 08:56.07 | urand0m | how do i fix these unmet dependencies and broken packages? http://pastebin.com/YJbJE25z |
| 08:56.09 | maxcell_ | babilen, hmm idk you probably right |
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| 08:56.17 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: still cannot open |
| 08:56.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell urand0m -about pastebin.com |
| 08:56.28 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: still cannot open gparted |
| 08:56.47 | babilen | judd: v obs-studio |
| 08:56.48 | judd | Package: obs-studio on amd64 -- sid: 0.15.4+dfsg1-1; stretch: 0.15.4+dfsg1-1 |
| 08:56.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell urand0m -about bat |
| 08:57.34 | maxcell_ | babilen, he is doing apt-get remove --purge gnome inside of the gnome, thats normal? |
| 08:57.44 | babilen | maxcell_: No, that's not normal nor recommended |
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| 08:58.18 | babilen | MrRobot_: Ensure that gksu is installed and run "gksudo gparted" |
| 08:58.30 | babilen | Ah .. I guess you have to pass the device also |
| 08:58.31 | urand0m | babilen, https://paste.debian.net/827325/ |
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| 08:59.17 | babilen | dpkg: bat |
| 08:59.18 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 08:59.29 | babilen | urand0m: The bot sent you this factoid ^^^ also. |
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| 08:59.49 | babilen | dpkg: show sources.list |
| 08:59.49 | dpkg | Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 08:59.54 | babilen | That would also come in handy |
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| 09:00.26 | urand0m | i showed the package i was trying to install.. osb-studio . i just omitted the username and sudo user input |
| 09:01.03 | MrRobot_ | babilen: it prompted for password but why i cannot open from gnome |
| 09:01.11 | urand0m | im not sure i understand completely |
| 09:02.01 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, thats why im telling you to reinstall gnome itself to see if it works again |
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| 09:02.37 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: i wrote the commands u said |
| 09:02.51 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: still facing |
| 09:02.55 | MrRobot_ | maxcell_: problems |
| 09:03.04 | han-solo | do a reboot and see if it still persists |
| 09:03.08 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, but you didnt iven leave the gnome to uninstall thegnome |
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| 09:03.38 | babilen | urand0m: We need additional information about your setup and system to be able to help |
| 09:03.53 | babilen | urand0m: In particualr the apt-cache policy stuff and sources.list |
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| 09:04.41 | maxcell_ | MrRobot_, restart you computer, log in another X window or press CTRL+ ALT + F2 log as root and re-run these commands before install the gnome again |
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| 09:07.04 | urand0m | babilen, i see. im running debian 8.5 jessie 64 bit ... here is my sources.list https://paste.debian.net/827334/ |
| 09:07.46 | babilen | urand0m: Okay .. and now "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy obs-studio obs-plugins" please |
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| 09:09.03 | themill | urand0m: mixing jessie and sid is unlikely to end well |
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| 09:09.23 | babilen | But to cut this short: obs-studio is not in jessie and it appears as if you also have testing and/or unstable in your sources. You really shouldn't mix stable with anything but backports. Read https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian and you will have to backport those packages yourself. |
| 09:09.28 | babilen | dpkg: ssb |
| 09:09.28 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 09:09.55 | tom99 | hmmm |
| 09:10.30 | urand0m | babilen, here is the apt-cache policy https://paste.debian.net/827358/ |
| 09:10.37 | tom99 | fgg |
| 09:10.44 | urand0m | how do you check debian back ports? |
| 09:11.17 | urand0m | apt-get -b? |
| 09:11.23 | babilen | I already did, there is none .. I'd *strongly* recommend to remove sid from your sources.list ASAP |
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| 09:11.34 | babilen | bbl |
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| 09:11.49 | urand0m | babilen, okay thank you for the advice |
| 09:11.57 | urand0m | removes sid |
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| 09:14.32 | Aaron | sid is for developer |
| 09:14.40 | Aaron | that know there way around |
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| 09:30.00 | zeephus | hihi |
| 09:32.29 | zeephus | well... two rabiis walked into an orthodox eastern christian church during lunch hour and ordered lox... |
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| 09:59.56 | bladeplate | Hi |
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| 10:12.15 | jvava | i just write a synergyc.service, when i try executing sudo systemctl start synergyc.service at the current directory, it failed to load, say no such file or directory, im new to systemd, please help |
| 10:12.34 | xand | where did you put that file? |
| 10:12.53 | jvava | my home directory, xand |
| 10:12.57 | xand | er |
| 10:13.17 | jvava | that's ok? |
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| 10:13.32 | xand | you have to put systemd service files in /lib/systemd/system/ and then run systemctl enable whatever.service |
| 10:14.16 | jvava | oh, thank you, i will try, i just try put it in /etc/systemd/system/multiuser*/ |
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| 10:15.07 | xand | when you use "systemctl enable" it creates a symlink in /etc/systemd/system/... |
| 10:15.33 | jvava | i tried and it works, thand you, xand |
| 10:15.43 | jvava | thank you |
| 10:17.15 | Guest | you can use grep to find files |
| 10:17.34 | jvava | i just do that |
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| 10:19.14 | jvava | the jessie's synergy version is too low, and i compile source and install newer, but no gui program work, so i make a service let it run |
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| 10:54.07 | jvava | hi, the synergyc have not started, systemctl status warning that secondary screen unavailable: unable open screen, so been killed with signal SEGV, i feel the after value which is network.target is not enough, right? can please tell me which target can assure working |
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| 11:04.13 | zeephus | et nomine super etlata |
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| 11:07.50 | mtcj | 100% agree |
| 11:08.39 | jvava | ok, graphical.target is answer |
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| 11:11.50 | molgrum | dist-upgrade says systemd will break rdnssd, dist-upgrade rdnssd says conflict with network-manager... don't know what to do |
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| 11:13.37 | Hindude | molgrum: what says aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 11:15.08 | molgrum | Hindude: it says it can upgrade packages and install new ones |
| 11:15.32 | molgrum | and remove some :) |
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| 11:18.17 | Hindude | what are the conflicts reported by aptitude safe-upgrade? |
| 11:18.21 | Hindude | And what are you upgrading? |
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| 11:18.43 | molgrum | Hindude: no conflicts... it's stretch |
| 11:18.55 | Hindude | Oh |
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| 11:19.00 | molgrum | but these packages are not there, systemd/rdnssd/network-manager |
| 11:19.04 | Hindude | For stretch support please go to #debian-next on oftc |
| 11:19.07 | Hindude | !stretch |
| 11:19.07 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
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| 11:19.14 | molgrum | aha, sorry then |
| 11:19.17 | Hindude | Np |
| 11:19.20 | Hindude | This is for stable |
| 11:19.23 | Hindude | :) |
| 11:19.34 | Hindude | We compartmentalized the support a few years ago |
| 11:19.46 | Hindude | This used to be the channel for stable/testing/sid |
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| 12:14.47 | michal_ | how do I debug virtual machine not sending UDP packets? |
| 12:15.30 | michal_ | it seems that's what I got because I do not see DNS queries and TFTP replies from the machine with tcpdump on either side of the connection |
| 12:15.45 | michal_ | both sides are Debian |
| 12:16.45 | AimHere | tcpdump/wireshark should pick up whether the packets are being sent too, shouldn't it? |
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| 12:17.32 | epsilon | as root/promisc mode yes |
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| 12:17.37 | michal_ | well, it should |
| 12:18.06 | michal_ | however, when I do 'host http.debian.net' I see no packets |
| 12:18.25 | michal_ | with tcpdump -i eth0 port 53 |
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| 12:19.59 | michal_ | and the dns query times out |
| 12:20.35 | michal_ | so presumably it is trying to send packets somewhere but no packets go out |
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| 12:21.45 | han-solo | this may seem absurd, but did you check ppp0, since eth0 doesn't seems to be sending and receiving any |
| 12:22.25 | michal_ | I have no ppp0 |
| 12:22.48 | michal_ | it is a virtual machine talking over virtio/tun-tap |
| 12:22.53 | AimHere | Well check that you're on the right interface. I did just testdrive tcp myself, and it picks a default interface |
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| 12:23.09 | michal_ | I have eth0 and lo |
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| 12:23.32 | michal_ | and nameserver is not 127.0.0.1 so it should go out |
| 12:23.57 | epsilon | if you ping 8.8.8.8, you see any icmp traffic on one of the interfaces? |
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| 12:25.42 | AimHere | Have you tried sending the UDP packets using a numeric address to see if the cause is the UDP, rather than the DNS query that's the issue? |
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| 12:27.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there even much one can debug? |
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| 12:27.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's mostly the configuration of the virtual network simulated by the virtual machine |
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| 12:32.11 | wanqcrypt | hi everybody |
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| 12:36.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, you do not greet the ones without a body⦠I know many bots with a strong opinion on that |
| 12:38.12 | michal_ | hm, I dumped iptables and found there is a firewall script that can block outgoing traffic |
| 12:38.41 | michal_ | it does not do so for TCP replies but it has problem with UDP it seems |
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| 12:40.07 | michal_ | so added local network to ranges that are not to be processed and now the UDP traffic works as well |
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| 12:40.31 | han-solo | great |
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| 12:45.04 | michal_ | should start making list of stuff installed on each machine I guess /o\ |
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| 13:09.40 | DocMAX | hello, how can i get windows with xming on my windows? |
| 13:09.55 | DocMAX | i use putty x11 formwarding, but i get a big window |
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| 13:10.48 | towo` | configure your xming |
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| 13:10.55 | towo` | and that's not a debian issue |
| 13:11.48 | DocMAX | how can i configure it like that? |
| 13:12.00 | towo` | read the documentation |
| 13:12.07 | towo` | again, wrong channel |
| 13:14.11 | jelly | towo`: at least point them to the RIGHT channel |
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| 13:16.00 | jelly | DocMAX: ##windows is for windows OS and apps, but it's hard to say now much they're going to know |
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| 13:16.39 | DocMAX | found it... |
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| 13:16.50 | DocMAX | its vcxsrv -multiwindow switch |
| 13:16.59 | DocMAX | thank you anyway |
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| 13:22.40 | garo | https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/HOWTO-install-Debian-GNU-Linux-to-a-Native-ZFS-Root-Filesystem mentions downloading 'zfsonlinux_6_all.deb' but on the same server and in the same directory 'zfsonlinux_7_all.deb' and 'zfsonlinux_8_all.deb' are also available |
| 13:22.56 | garo | are these still considered unstable or is my documentation out of date ? |
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| 13:50.16 | petn-randall | garo: Hard to say, since what you are referring to is not part of Debian. You can probably issue a bug report there so they can clarify it. |
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| 13:50.53 | duff | What is the best browser to use on a slow computer |
| 13:50.59 | RoyK | garo: try #zfsonlinux |
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| 13:51.33 | RoyK | duff: define "slow" |
| 13:51.47 | michal_ | where is the signature for netboot installer images? |
| 13:51.50 | duff | dual core intel with 2gb of ram |
| 13:52.04 | RoyK | duff: anything should work well, really |
| 13:52.17 | michal_ | duff: use any, restart it often |
| 13:52.19 | jmd | duff: emacs eww-mode |
| 13:52.21 | petn-randall | garo: A better way to install ZFS is via the zfs-dkms package, and zfsutils-linux, both available in jessie-backports. |
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| 13:53.17 | RoyK | petn-randall: damn - are those in backports now? |
| 13:53.26 | petn-randall | ,zfs-dkms |
| 13:53.29 | petn-randall | ,v zfs-dkms |
| 13:53.30 | judd | Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.7-2~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.7-2; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.7-2 |
| 13:53.39 | petn-randall | ,v zfsutils-linux |
| 13:53.40 | judd | Package: zfsutils-linux on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.7-2~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.7-2; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.7-2 |
| 13:53.42 | RoyK | nice |
| 13:53.51 | michal_ | I mean major full-featured browsers like Firefox or Chromium will work but will fill the RAM quickly. lightweight browsers might work for some sites and not others |
| 13:54.28 | han-solo | lynx |
| 13:54.32 | michal_ | Or to put it differently the alternative browsers are more likely to fail rendering something |
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| 13:54.57 | michal_ | yeah, lynx is totally useful these days as general-purpose browser |
| 13:55.09 | han-solo | i use lynx everyday |
| 13:55.30 | han-solo | i don't use any othe browsers, really :) |
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| 13:55.46 | michal_ | If you carefully pick the pages lynx works, sure |
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| 13:59.57 | michal_ | hm, seems there aren't signatures on netboot images /o\ |
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| 14:18.25 | aguitel | tying to boot with usb debian-firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso in chromebook samsung 3 intel celeron ,but error say:setting up gfxboot , any tips |
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| 14:22.17 | OerHeks | funny aguitel .. you just stated you were booting ubuntu3 |
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| 14:23.06 | aguitel | OerHeks, ubuntu and debian and fedora |
| 14:23.09 | aguitel | same error |
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| 14:45.33 | larjona | aguitel: debian 8.6 was published yesterday and I hope the cd images builds are available soon, I would wait and test with 8.6, or maybe you can try to install stretch (debian testing) |
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| 14:46.37 | Capum321 | hello, a systemd service has onunitactivesec=2h 20 min and oncalendar=22:00 that means, in the end of 24 hours, will have 2 instance running? |
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| 14:49.39 | _abc_ | Is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Graphics supported out of the box in debian wheezy or later? i915 type with on chip (!) edram. |
| 14:50.29 | _abc_ | I mean in accelerated mode. Also, is there a site which cuts down on the jungle of haze created by makers with 100s of names for the same thing? In this case Intel, but not only? In direct relation to debian running on them. |
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| 14:52.49 | _abc_ | quoting that page: " Linux support for this eDRAM is expected in kernel version 3.12, by making the drm/i915 driver aware and capable of using it." |
| 14:54.35 | AimHere | Current kernels in Debian are 3.16 for stable, and newer still for testing and unstable |
| 14:55.07 | teraflops | _abc_: yeah. what's your issue? |
| 14:55.09 | AimHere | So if that expectation was fulfilled, then it'll be supported in Debian as part of the kernel |
| 14:55.37 | _abc_ | I need to know if a certain low cost laptop on sale will run decent graphics accelerated debian. |
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| 14:56.01 | _abc_ | So I can't just walk in with a stick and boot it, people get nervous from that although they run Mint on some display laptops |
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| 14:56.13 | _abc_ | It has a N3050 cpu |
| 14:56.41 | teraflops | debian supported all the intel HD cards I had |
| 14:56.55 | _abc_ | Who the f* makes these crazy project names up at Intel? It's like WW2 era secret project names, made up of two unrelated words so they would bear no connection with the real subject. |
| 14:57.00 | teraflops | from intel hd3000 to 5xxx |
| 14:57.00 | _abc_ | teraflops: nice! |
| 14:57.10 | AimHere | Given it's an intel card that's a few (but not many) years old, I'd be very surprised if it wasn't supported in Debian |
| 14:57.10 | _abc_ | teraflops: this is on cpu integrated craphics. |
| 14:57.13 | _abc_ | *graphics |
| 14:57.28 | teraflops | integrated ^ |
| 14:58.31 | teraflops | _abc_: you want hw decoding for the video playback? use vaapi |
| 14:59.00 | _abc_ | No, I want VT-X to work and accelerated video so system load does not peak when I watch a youtube crappy video while doing something else. |
| 14:59.14 | _abc_ | VT-X for vmware and android studio |
| 14:59.26 | teraflops | you want vaapi |
| 14:59.42 | _abc_ | vaapi is not integrated in firefox etc right? |
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| 15:00.04 | teraflops | for the video^ also you may try modesetting if you still get tearing |
| 15:00.12 | _abc_ | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-celeron-n3050&num=1 it's this beastie. |
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| 15:01.15 | _abc_ | Are laptop celerons aggressively thermal throttled in laptops? They seem to use much more power in non laptop versions, 10 times as much TDP. Does this mean that one can tinker with better cooling and enable longer peaking on a laptop? Perhaps also tinker with the speed settings in linux? |
| 15:01.40 | teraflops | _abc_: oh web browser, I have no idea sorry |
| 15:01.49 | _abc_ | teraflops: that's what youtube runs in eh |
| 15:01.53 | _abc_ | html5 |
| 15:01.55 | teraflops | _abc_: not really |
| 15:02.01 | teraflops | use youtube-dl |
| 15:02.07 | Fjorgynn | why |
| 15:02.23 | Fjorgynn | use mps-youtube |
| 15:02.27 | _abc_ | I prefer to use what is already default, this is just something that needs to be there, android studio needs it more than youtube |
| 15:02.27 | Fjorgynn | you mean? |
| 15:02.28 | teraflops | lol |
| 15:03.00 | teraflops | Fjorgynn: sorry man not meant be offensive youtube-dl is better imo |
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| 15:04.11 | teraflops | _abc_: anyway as you can see theres no need to waste resources and generate heat using a web browser for watching youtube videos |
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| 15:05.52 | _abc_ | teraflops: 6W tdp is not going to generate much heat |
| 15:06.50 | _abc_ | So it's a cheap and cheerful reduced laptop on sale eh. What would you expect. |
| 15:06.50 | teraflops | I dont see the point of using a web browser for watching a youtube video sorry |
| 15:07.06 | _abc_ | it's okay I see the point |
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| 15:27.08 | aguitel | larjona, what address this iso? |
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| 15:28.27 | larjona | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 15:30.46 | aguitel | larjona, chromebook work with wireless ,need non free firmware to work in iso |
| 15:31.22 | larjona | Mmm |
| 15:31.33 | aguitel | no ethernet |
| 15:31.41 | larjona | Wait a minute |
| 15:31.45 | aguitel | ok |
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| 15:33.23 | larjona | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 15:33.42 | larjona | The "stretch alpha7" ones |
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| 15:35.30 | aguitel | this :http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/stretch_di_alpha7/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-stretch-DI-alpha7-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 15:37.06 | larjona | I guess yes |
| 15:37.25 | aguitel | ok |
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| 15:59.17 | iamawesome | Hi, which software is used for firewall on debian? |
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| 15:59.49 | SOUL_OF_R00T | try iptables ! |
| 16:00.45 | iZ6S82 | Hello, what do I need to specify in the pppd config to enable ipv6 (nat64)? I've tried with +ipv6 , ipcp-accept-local , ipcp-accept-remote , ipv6cp-use-ipaddr , ipv6cp-use-persistent . I've added also debug to the config but with no results... |
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| 16:05.07 | hseg | Is it OK if I ask a Knoppix question here? For some reason, when my monitor is supposedly "asleep", it is instead actively displaying a black screen (i.e., the indicator light shows that the monitor is on, the monitor is brighter than when it's off, etc.) Ideas why this is the case? |
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| 16:05.36 | RoyK | iamawesome: ufw is easy and good |
| 16:05.40 | somiaj | !knoppix |
| 16:05.40 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.org/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems. |
| 16:06.07 | somiaj | hseg: sounds like you already know the answer to that question about asking knoppix questions here. |
| 16:06.28 | somiaj | hseg: but sounds like you are seeing xorg (or console) blanking which is differnt than dpms putting the monintor to sleep. |
| 16:06.35 | hseg | Ah. A man can hope, can't he? |
| 16:07.07 | hseg | Right, which is why I suspected that going to a more active channel for a similar distro would be ok. |
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| 16:07.31 | somiaj | hseg: ##linux is the channel for generic linux support (not tired around a specific distro) |
| 16:07.46 | RoyK | iamawesome: ftr, ufw is an iptables wrapper - there's really one firewall in linux, it's netfilter, in the kernel, which can be administered by using iptables of nftables, and ufw is an iptables wrapper |
| 16:07.50 | hseg | And yes, that's precisely what it looks like on my end. |
| 16:08.04 | hseg | somiaj: OK, thanks, I'll check it out. |
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| 16:10.18 | iZ6S82 | bump Hello, what do I need to specify in the pppd config to enable ipv6 (nat64)? I've tried with +ipv6 , ipcp-accept-local , ipcp-accept-remote , ipv6cp-use-ipaddr , ipv6cp-use-persistent . I've added also debug to the config but with no results... |
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| 16:11.46 | iamawesome | RoyK: You said: "iptables of nftables" ? |
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| 16:13.36 | RoyK | iamawesome: just two different interfaces, nftable is the new shit. iptables works well |
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| 16:14.13 | surfist | can one merely substitute the word nftables over iptables ? esp in scripts? |
| 16:14.26 | surfist | e.q. not rewrite all yer stuff |
| 16:14.27 | RoyK | no, different syntax |
| 16:14.31 | surfist | drat |
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| 16:14.43 | surfist | enter sed |
| 16:15.13 | surfist | take the coffee away from them |
| 16:15.14 | RoyK | https://wiki.debian.org/nftables |
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| 16:16.48 | RoyK | I was wrong - seems nftables is a wee bit more than just a new interface to netfilter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nftables |
| 16:18.22 | RoyK | anyway - if you just want a firewall, easy to configure and use, I'd say ufw (which uses iptables) |
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| 16:18.39 | RoyK | nftables seems to have a lot more, but I haven't read up enough about it yet |
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| 16:23.53 | gebruiker | guys is there an program that auto updates my debian stable install_ |
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| 16:25.31 | RoyK | gebruiker: unattended-upgrades |
| 16:25.39 | RoyK | ,v unattended-upgrades |
| 16:25.40 | judd | Package: unattended-upgrades on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.79.5+wheezy2; wheezy: 0.79.5+wheezy2; jessie: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; stretch: 0.86.5+build1; sid: 0.92 |
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| 16:26.41 | RoyK | gebruiker: it can be configured to only download them (default) or only do security fixes or whatever else, and perhaps autoreboot your box at night (or noon or whatever) if you want that |
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| 16:27.57 | gebruiker | RoyK, interesting, does it work on time / what if the computer is turned off would it still adhere to a schedule? |
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| 16:28.56 | gebruiker | RoyK, can it function like windows update, in the sense it will continue to work when the pc is booted up |
| 16:29.32 | RoyK | obviously, if the machine is off, the OS isn't running and can't do much :P |
| 16:30.10 | RoyK | just install it and look at the config, or google a ibt |
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| 16:30.25 | RoyK | I'm using it on several machines |
| 16:30.30 | RoyK | never had an issue so far |
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| 16:35.32 | RoyK | surfist: seems like there are a few things on youtube about it too |
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| 16:39.18 | atralheaven | hi, with gnome-terminal, I disable showing of menubar, but each time I open another terminal its visible again. im using debian 8 stable |
| 16:39.55 | pingfloyd | atralheaven: where did you disable it? |
| 16:40.38 | atralheaven | pingfloyd: terminal menubar > view > unchecking the show menubar |
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| 16:40.45 | pingfloyd | atralheaven: did you uncheck show menubar and also change in preferences? |
| 16:40.54 | pingfloyd | also changed it in preferences? |
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| 16:41.17 | atralheaven | no, I didn't check preferences |
| 16:41.30 | atralheaven | so I should set it there, thanks :) |
| 16:41.34 | pingfloyd | try that |
| 16:41.39 | atralheaven | I have another problem with debian too |
| 16:41.44 | pingfloyd | I'm using xfce4-terminal myself |
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| 16:43.30 | atralheaven | actually I had this problem for a long time, my laptop brightness has some problems, the one that I cared about was that the brightness was never at its top level, it was always one level lower. |
| 16:44.14 | atralheaven | after seeing arch wiki, I found something and tested it on ubuntu, it fixed all of brightness problems! |
| 16:44.24 | atralheaven | but it doesn't work here on debian, idk why... |
| 16:45.29 | atralheaven | on /etc/default/grub file, I added "acpi_backlight=video" to one of its lines, and it fixed all of the problems on ubuntu |
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| 16:45.37 | atralheaven | on debian it doesn't work |
| 16:45.41 | atralheaven | I wonder why |
| 16:46.00 | atralheaven | both are using grub2 |
| 16:46.04 | RebelCoderW | Guys, a quick one - what is the best way to see, why laptop is freezing sometimes, and needs a hard-restart ? Is there a LOG generated, that I can share with you or on the forum so I can get help ? |
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| 16:46.51 | atralheaven | I use debian stable and that solution worked on ubuntu 16.04. |
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| 17:00.56 | ksft | My computer just stopped working completely until I turned it off and on again. |
| 17:01.01 | ksft | I have no idea what caused it. |
| 17:01.16 | ksft | like the screen froze |
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| 17:01.46 | aaro | atralheaven, try acpi_backlight=vendor |
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| 17:03.48 | RoyK | surfist: seems nftables isn't in jessie - you'd have to use backports - not recommended unless you really need it |
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| 17:29.16 | _0xbadc0de | upon logging in when I change the window manager tos gnome |
| 17:29.18 | _0xbadc0de | the system crashes |
| 17:29.19 | _0xbadc0de | what can I do? |
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| 17:29.51 | _0xbadc0de | aside from recompiling kernel |
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| 17:30.41 | towo` | gnome is not a wm |
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| 17:30.51 | towo` | and you could provide the Xorg.0.log |
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| 17:33.06 | _0xbadc0de | I could if I new where it was |
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| 17:33.44 | towo` | normaly in /var/log/ as every other logfile |
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| 17:37.31 | nobody44 | hey guys, I am creating my own preseed file. Right now I use the automatic partition settings with LVM, is there a way to use a fixed name for the volume group? |
| 17:37.36 | _0xbadc0de | http://pastebin.com/9uVFjQuQ |
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| 17:39.51 | towo` | uh, fglrx, i'm out here |
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| 17:44.53 | _0xbadc0de | so the answer would be recompile kernel? |
| 17:45.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? |
| 17:46.08 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, and whyt should that bring? |
| 17:46.25 | _0xbadc0de | basically gnome crashes each time I try to choose it on logon screen |
| 17:46.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | just before you said the "system crashes" |
| 17:46.45 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, try the free drivers, forget fglrx crap |
| 17:46.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does that mean |
| 17:47.07 | _0xbadc0de | towo... I am afraid I can't do that |
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| 17:47.18 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, why not? |
| 17:47.23 | _0xbadc0de | because my graphics card is AMD Radeon |
| 17:47.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | towo`, that advice isn't much better than "recompiling the kernel" |
| 17:47.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | seriously, is it sunday, or what |
| 17:47.47 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, radeon is for amd radeon cards |
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| 17:48.26 | _0xbadc0de | towo: brilliant |
| 17:48.35 | _0xbadc0de | now...what? |
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| 17:48.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | now⦠answer what I asked you? |
| 17:49.26 | _0xbadc0de | sorry , what did you ask? |
| 17:49.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does "crashes" mean? |
| 17:49.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | e.g. can you still login via ssh? |
| 17:49.59 | _0xbadc0de | ah right... When I log in using gnome it says a system error ocurred |
| 17:50.02 | _0xbadc0de | so I need to logout |
| 17:50.22 | _0xbadc0de | nope, I can't see anything rendered after hitting on enter |
| 17:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and then you are back at the login screen? |
| 17:51.06 | _0xbadc0de | but I know there is somewhere in there the login screen because the cursor changes on where the text boxes would be |
| 17:51.33 | _0xbadc0de | eventhough I can no-longer see stuff |
| 17:51.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | try switching to the text console with ctrl-alt-F1 and back (C-A-F7 or C-A-F8 or so) |
| 17:52.16 | _0xbadc0de | ok |
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| 17:54.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is nothing in the Xorg logs |
| 17:54.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe it's something with gnome⦠you could try some other DE or just a WM |
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| 17:54.43 | towo` | because it's gnome what is chrashing |
| 17:54.56 | towo` | and it's well known, that it often not work with fglrx |
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| 17:57.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | why? is it using some esoteric features other graphical things don't? |
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| 17:59.06 | towo` | https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/342dxx/gnome_and_fglrx_in_jessie/ |
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| 18:02.28 | _0xbadc0de | hello |
| 18:02.39 | _0xbadc0de | so basically what happens is that |
| 18:03.07 | _0xbadc0de | I can switch to gfx-less login |
| 18:03.17 | _0xbadc0de | with ctrl+alt+f1 |
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| 18:04.35 | _0xbadc0de | now what should I do? |
| 18:04.39 | _0xbadc0de | recomp kernel |
| 18:04.40 | _0xbadc0de | ? |
| 18:05.02 | teraflops | fgrlx is dead |
| 18:05.21 | jmcnaught | !fglrx |
| 18:05.21 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop of Debian 8 "Jessie" due to lack of EGL support (ref. §5.11 <jessie release notes>), use the <radeon> driver instead. |
| 18:05.23 | teraflops | lrx* |
| 18:05.42 | jmcnaught | it's even in the jessie release notes that fglrx is too obsolete to support gnome |
| 18:06.01 | _0xbadc0de | wtf is the "radeon driver""2 |
| 18:06.08 | _0xbadc0de | will that support my gfx card? |
| 18:06.11 | teraflops | the xorg one |
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| 18:06.26 | _0xbadc0de | because...I don't think so |
| 18:06.34 | jmcnaught | the radeon driver is what was driving the card before you installed fglrx |
| 18:06.48 | jmcnaught | https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 18:08.15 | _0xbadc0de | ok, so I should just follow that link? |
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| 18:09.15 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: that page describes how to get 3D acceleration working with the radeon driver. If you are removing fglrx then you will probably also need to remove a radeon blacklist file in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 18:09.51 | _0xbadc0de | jmcnaught: |
| 18:10.26 | _0xbadc0de | all I want really is to : have proper 3d accelaration for radeon AND have a normal life, such as being able to use gnome |
| 18:10.29 | _0xbadc0de | what should I do? |
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| 18:11.11 | towo` | then purge all fglrx packages, remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf, make sure firmware-linux-nonfree is installed and reboot |
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| 18:11.50 | towo` | propably you want mor recent kernel from backports |
| 18:12.14 | towo` | if there are more recent xorg and radeon-packages i don't know |
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| 18:14.16 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: exactly. undo the changes made to your system when you install fglrx as towo` describes above, and also refer to that AtiHowto wiki page |
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| 18:14.49 | _0xbadc0de | so I just make sudo apt purge fglrx» |
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| 18:15.33 | _0xbadc0de | Package 'fglrx' is not installed, so not removedv |
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| 18:16.47 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, congratulations you haven't installed fglrx the debian way |
| 18:16.50 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: try "aptitude search ~i~nfglrx" to see installed fglrx packages, or refer to your notes from when you installed fglrx |
| 18:17.02 | _0xbadc0de | sudo sh /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh |
| 18:17.02 | _0xbadc0de | sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx fglrx_* fglrx-amdcccle* fglrx-dev* |
| 18:17.08 | _0xbadc0de | found this on stackoverflow |
| 18:17.13 | towo` | that's the |
| 18:17.17 | towo` | grr |
| 18:17.27 | towo` | that's the fastest way for breaking debian |
| 18:17.38 | _0xbadc0de | woops |
| 18:17.46 | _0xbadc0de | I did the first one already |
| 18:17.50 | _0xbadc0de | should I avoid ? |
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| 18:18.26 | _0xbadc0de | just ran sudo sh /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh |
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| 18:23.51 | _0xbadc0de | so I did that |
| 18:23.55 | _0xbadc0de | and rebooted |
| 18:24.05 | _0xbadc0de | now I have HORRIBLE looking gfx |
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| 18:24.36 | _0xbadc0de | like 14x12 pixel image was oversized to fit on a 40x20 cm screen |
| 18:24.59 | maxcell_ | lol |
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| 18:25.47 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: did you read https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo and install the packages it recommends? |
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| 18:26.14 | towo` | i would say, using the ati driver installer has damaged the system more that he thinks |
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| 18:26.26 | teraflops | _0xbadc0de: re-check radeon is not blacklisted |
| 18:26.37 | towo` | normaly the libglx is changed by that installer |
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| 18:27.13 | towo` | so removing that driver with the uninstaller will not repair the libglx |
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| 18:27.30 | _0xbadc0de | towo libglx shouldn't have anything to do with the way my desktop is rendered |
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| 18:27.43 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, you can believe, it has |
| 18:27.56 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, gnome needs accelerrated 3d |
| 18:28.05 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: yes it is quite possible that the installer has changed other files. never use GPU driver installers, always install from the Debian packages |
| 18:28.07 | _0xbadc0de | right now I am just using the other one |
| 18:28.21 | _0xbadc0de | wait I haven't done the atiHowThing |
| 18:28.31 | _0xbadc0de | I have just unninstalled and rebooted |
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| 18:28.40 | towo` | so you probaply have to reinstall xserver-xorg and libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 18:29.13 | maxcell_ | what if he install amd driver from apt and uninstall again, would repair the libs? |
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| 18:29.40 | _0xbadc0de | bgl1-mesa-dri is already the newest version. |
| 18:29.40 | _0xbadc0de | xserver-xorg-video-ati is already the newest version. |
| 18:29.40 | _0xbadc0de | firmware-linux-nonfree is already the newest version. |
| 18:29.42 | towo` | no, it wouldn't |
| 18:29.45 | _0xbadc0de | whoops |
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| 18:29.54 | _0xbadc0de | so I guess I am pretty fucked? |
| 18:29.55 | maxcell_ | why not to |
| 18:30.03 | teraflops | well he wants libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 18:30.20 | teraflops | _0xbadc0de: read the fine wiki |
| 18:30.23 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, you have to use apt --reinstall install xserver-xorg libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 18:30.37 | teraflops | towo`: libgl1-mesa-glx ? |
| 18:30.38 | towo` | grr |
| 18:30.39 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: als check /etc/modprobe.d/ for a radeon blacklist file |
| 18:30.44 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, you have to use apt --reinstall install xserver-xorg-core libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 18:31.07 | towo` | teraflops, for fixing overwritten libglx, yes |
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| 18:31.48 | _0xbadc0de | ministrator@debian:/var/log$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf | grep rad |
| 18:31.48 | _0xbadc0de | blacklist radeonfb |
| 18:31.48 | _0xbadc0de | ad |
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| 18:32.32 | _0xbadc0de | is that a problem? |
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| 18:32.48 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: that one is fine, a file that blacklists 'radeon' would be a problem |
| 18:33.08 | _0xbadc0de | no such file |
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| 18:34.07 | jmcnaught | then you may need to reinstall the glx related packages that the AMD installer may have corrupted |
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| 18:35.16 | pingfloyd | moral of the story: don't use third-party installer scripts |
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| 18:37.40 | _0xbadc0de | the resolution is still looking horrible |
| 18:37.54 | _0xbadc0de | how can I test if I have 3D acceleration working? |
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| 18:38.08 | maxcell_ | glxgears in the terminal |
| 18:38.18 | _0xbadc0de | it shows the gears |
| 18:38.33 | _0xbadc0de | but It could be software based emulation |
| 18:38.47 | _0xbadc0de | how do I know it is actually using gpu for that |
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| 18:39.23 | maxcell_ | i think dmesg |grep VGA |
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| 18:39.31 | towo` | provide /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:39.54 | towo` | maxcell_, this will nothing say about acceleration |
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| 18:40.00 | _0xbadc0de | administrator@debian:/var/log$ dmesg | grep VGA |
| 18:40.00 | _0xbadc0de | [ 9.502340] ACPI: Video Device [VGA] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) |
| 18:40.00 | _0xbadc0de | [ 9.516674] ACPI: Video Device [VGA1] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) |
| 18:40.08 | teraflops | _0xbadc0de: also glxinfo |
| 18:41.05 | _0xbadc0de | http://pastebin.com/Bu44Q4Tp |
| 18:41.11 | teraflops | ^ |
| 18:41.29 | maxcell_ | OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc. |
| 18:41.29 | maxcell_ | OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.5, 128 bits) |
| 18:41.29 | maxcell_ | OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 10.3.2 |
| 18:41.29 | teraflops | http://paste.debian.net is fine too ^ |
| 18:41.57 | _0xbadc0de | so is it working? |
| 18:42.02 | towo` | no |
| 18:42.10 | teraflops | idk i dont click pastebin.com links |
| 18:42.20 | _0xbadc0de | JESUS FUCKING CHRIST |
| 18:42.26 | maxcell_ | teraflops, i just paste in the channel |
| 18:42.31 | towo` | [20:39:31] <towo`> provide /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:42.43 | teraflops | maxcell_: bad idea for more than 3 line |
| 18:42.45 | teraflops | lines* |
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| 18:43.02 | _0xbadc0de | http://paste.debian.net/828154/ |
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| 18:43.38 | maxcell_ | teraflops, it says VMware, Inc. and Galluim and 3.0 Mesa... what does it mean? he is using de non-proprietary amd driver? |
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| 18:43.57 | _0xbadc0de | http://paste.debian.net/828156/ |
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| 18:44.47 | teraflops | maxcell_: something is borked there |
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| 18:46.05 | _0xbadc0de | whats wrong? |
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| 18:46.35 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, dmesg | grep -i radeon |
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| 18:46.49 | teraflops | _0xbadc0de: Xorg is using the wrong driver |
| 18:46.50 | yeehi | WOODY: Can anybody remember using Woody (Debian 3.0), way back in 2002? There were long periods of time between updates, but what was it like to use for you? It was supported till 2006. |
| 18:47.01 | _0xbadc0de | administrator@debian:/var/log$ dmesg | grep -i radeon |
| 18:47.01 | _0xbadc0de | [ 0.177995] smpboot: CPU0: AMD A10-8700P Radeon R6, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G (fam: 15, model: 60, stepping: 01) |
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| 18:47.27 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: on the paste for your Xorg.0.log, do a Ctrl+F and look for '(EE)' to see errors. on line 343 you've got 'open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory' |
| 18:47.34 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, install recent kernel and firmware from backports |
| 18:47.56 | _0xbadc0de | how the fuck do I do that? |
| 18:48.07 | towo` | !bpo |
| 18:48.08 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 18:48.26 | Knaldgas | Sometime ago my WAN-modem F3507g stopped working. It appears in dmesg up to cdc_acm ttyACM0, 1 and 2. Then ~0.2s later "usb 2-4: USB disconnect...", and I can't locate the card by lsusb or rfkill. Anyone have an idea of what is wrong, or where I should ask instead? |
| 18:48.30 | maxcell_ | _0xbadc0de, the firmeware is the amd microcode |
| 18:48.37 | afx_ | Does anyone use everpad ? If so what client do you use ? I am on debian jessie |
| 18:48.49 | towo` | maxcell_, no, we speak aobout the graphics-firmware |
| 18:48.59 | maxcell_ | towo`, he is using a APU |
| 18:49.06 | towo` | #which is in firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 18:49.13 | maxcell_ | towo`, i think he should install the amd microcode |
| 18:49.14 | towo` | maxcell_, doesnt't matter |
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| 18:49.26 | afx_ | I meant evernote , sorry |
| 18:49.32 | maxcell_ | towo`, how not, the gpu is inside the processor |
| 18:49.34 | towo` | #amd microcode would not help any on the graphics problem |
| 18:49.37 | towo` | boa |
| 18:49.57 | towo` | if you know it better, i'm out |
| 18:49.58 | maxcell_ | towo`, ok them |
| 18:49.59 | _0xbadc0de | yeah I agree with towo |
| 18:50.08 | _0xbadc0de | these are very separate subjects |
| 18:50.20 | _0xbadc0de | AMD cpu vs Radeon's card |
| 18:50.25 | jmcnaught | in backports the package that has AMD gpu firmwares is firmware-amd-graphics |
| 18:50.43 | maxcell_ | i dont know anything better but if was me i would install the everything related |
| 18:50.47 | teraflops | idk how well are APUs supported in jessie |
| 18:51.06 | _0xbadc0de | apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-amd-graphics? |
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| 18:51.15 | jmcnaught | APU is just marketing speak for GPU and CPU on the same die |
| 18:51.28 | teraflops | well newer AMD gpus |
| 18:51.38 | _0xbadc0de | apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-amd-graphics? * |
| 18:51.43 | maxcell_ | enable the backports repo in sources.list aswell |
| 18:52.05 | _0xbadc0de | yeah but then? apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-amd-graphics?* |
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| 18:52.43 | _0xbadc0de | apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-amd-graphics? * |
| 18:52.45 | maxcell_ | y i supose |
| 18:52.52 | _0xbadc0de | ok |
| 18:52.53 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: what's with the ?* ? |
| 18:53.17 | _0xbadc0de | its just extra backon to prevent my irc client from freaking out |
| 18:53.25 | _0xbadc0de | bacon* |
| 18:53.28 | shawn | any way to undo a build-dep install? |
| 18:53.35 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: it was also recommended that you install newer kernel: "apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64' |
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| 18:54.06 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell _0xbadc0de about bdo kernel |
| 18:54.38 | jmcnaught | (the headers package is for if you have DKMS packages like virtualbox) |
| 18:54.45 | maxcell_ | its the linux-image 4.6 i think, in the backport |
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| 18:55.43 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: please don't guess when it comes to tech support answers. if you aren't sure it's okay to stay quiet or test it first on your end. |
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| 18:57.25 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, the pretty sure the new kernel available from the backports is the 4.6 |
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| 18:58.49 | mado | Hello again everyone : ) |
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| 19:00.37 | mado | I've run into some weird (for me) problem ... Yesterday I downloaded the Debian 8.5 gnome iso and put it on a usb pen drive via a tool (YUMI) ... When I tried installing it for some reason the installation program was looking for a CD ... is there any way to get this fixed? |
| 19:00.42 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, just giving him a insight about what kernel he should looking for its a harmless comment iven if the last kernel wasnt the 4.6, wich is |
| 19:01.27 | _0xbadc0de | administrator@debian:/$ sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 |
| 19:01.27 | _0xbadc0de | Reading package lists... Done |
| 19:01.27 | _0xbadc0de | E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 19:01.27 | _0xbadc0de | administrator@debian:/$ |
| 19:01.27 | _0xbadc0de | administrator@debian:/$ sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 |
| 19:01.27 | _0xbadc0de | Reading package lists... Done |
| 19:01.27 | _0xbadc0de | E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available |
| 19:01.28 | *** kick/#debian [_0xbadc0de!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.) |
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| 19:01.48 | _0xbadc0de | it was accidental |
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| 19:02.42 | mado | I'm new to all of this so I don't know what else I can or should tell you |
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| 19:03.06 | towo` | mado, your mistake was propably using YUMI, whatever that is |
| 19:03.41 | maxcell_ | _0xbadc0de, just make sure you have this "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list and "apt-get update" to get the repo enabled |
| 19:04.02 | mado | it's a tool for MS Windows that puts OS isos on a pen drive so that you can install them later, towo` :) |
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| 19:04.21 | towo` | mado, than maybe it's a bad tool |
| 19:04.41 | _0xbadc0de | maxcel__ |
| 19:04.46 | _0xbadc0de | the bitch is installing |
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| 19:05.23 | mado | towo`... i don't know if it's good or bad ... it has worked before ... with e.g. MS Windows itself and e.g. an old Ubuntu version I tried ... so i thought I'll use it again : ) |
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| 19:05.50 | towo` | mado, you can't compare windows iso with debian iso |
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| 19:05.51 | maxcell_ | cool |
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| 19:06.14 | _0xbadc0de | towo wtf |
| 19:06.31 | towo` | mado, try http://www.alexpage.de/usb-image-tool/download/ or dd for win |
| 19:06.33 | mado | like i said ... it also worked with an old Ubuntu iso i tried : ) ... i'm new to all of this so i'm sorry, towo` for not being yet able to know if i can compare something or not : ) |
| 19:06.48 | towo` | mado, ubuntu is not isohybrid |
| 19:06.54 | towo` | debian is |
| 19:06.58 | _0xbadc0de | E: Unable to locate package firmware-amd-graphics |
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| 19:07.11 | _0xbadc0de | for sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-amd-graphics |
| 19:07.20 | maxcell_ | mado, use the program called RUFUS for windows and burn it with the "dd" option. |
| 19:07.24 | mado | i'd have to look up this term ... yesterday i read it somewhere too, i think |
| 19:07.46 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, it's non-free |
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| 19:08.06 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, you maybe have non-free not in your sources |
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| 19:08.51 | mado | i'll try what you two said towo`and maxcell_ ... : ) |
| 19:08.58 | _0xbadc0de | http://paste.debian.net/828198/ |
| 19:09.26 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, and what do you see? |
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| 19:09.38 | _0xbadc0de | its all non-free |
| 19:09.48 | towo` | _0xbadc0de, open your eyes |
| 19:09.53 | _0xbadc0de | should I add the free ones? |
| 19:09.55 | towo` | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main |
| 19:10.08 | towo` | where do you see non-free here? |
| 19:10.26 | maxcell_ | _0xbadc0de, deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free in sources.list then run update |
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| 19:12.29 | _0xbadc0de | ok going for reboot |
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| 19:16.02 | mado | maxcell_ and towo` ... since i got Debian 8.5 gnome ... can i later update the whole thing to 8.6 and so on (whatever comes next?) |
| 19:16.21 | towo` | yes you can |
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| 19:17.46 | maxcell_ | i never try it with 8.5 |
| 19:17.49 | mado | okay :) ... also maxcell_? ... i saw that if i choose "DD image" I have to convert the ISO I got from the Debian website ... either that or I need to find an IMG file |
| 19:18.19 | maxcell_ | mado, you mean in rufus? |
| 19:18.28 | mado | yes, maxcell_ |
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| 19:18.39 | maxcell_ | mado, no you just click to see all files and select debian.iso anyway |
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| 19:19.31 | maxcell_ | mado, you are trying to boot a pendrive right? |
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| 19:19.55 | mado | yes, i want it bootable and and able to install Debian with it |
| 19:20.10 | maxcell_ | mado, i did it yesterday with rufus and option dd |
| 19:20.27 | mado | well there's one problem then i guess ... |
| 19:20.35 | mado | i picked DD |
| 19:20.44 | mado | and then it switched back to ISO once i selected the ISO file |
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| 19:20.53 | maxcell_ | than select dd again e burn |
| 19:21.41 | mado | you mean press "start" : ) |
| 19:21.58 | maxcell_ | yes thats what i mean :D |
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| 19:22.53 | mado | alright ... it's doing now whatever it does ... i also thought i should try and do a check for bad blocks ... sounded like a good idea since it's an old pen drive and i know my hard disk has some bad blocks too |
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| 19:24.23 | mado | anyway ... while I am waiting for that to finish so that i then can try installing Debian again I'll quickly head out and take a short stretch break ... thanks maxcell_ and towo` :) |
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| 19:34.32 | furiae | hi nerds :D |
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| 19:35.23 | gebruiker | furiae, lol |
| 19:35.47 | furiae | :D im new to linux |
| 19:35.58 | gebruiker | furiae, making everybody closed off by that statement |
| 19:36.12 | gebruiker | soon your social life will be over and you will be one of the nerds |
| 19:36.12 | furiae | i'm sorry :P im a nerd too |
| 19:36.27 | furiae | :P i installed arch linux for my first linux |
| 19:36.39 | furiae | it took me 3 days xD |
| 19:36.54 | gebruiker | die hard! Remembrable like your first ice cream? |
| 19:37.15 | gebruiker | or like the first time you had sprouts lol |
| 19:37.27 | furiae | well when you have super over protective parents, you are already a recluse :P |
| 19:37.36 | furiae | its more like.. first period D: |
| 19:37.47 | furiae | and im sure i messed up alot of stuff lol |
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| 19:38.15 | gebruiker | well I am sure you will laugh about it in your third of fourth period.. or after many years |
| 19:38.21 | Sys0p | Hello all - |
| 19:38.24 | gebruiker | hi |
| 19:39.13 | furiae | hello |
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| 19:39.36 | Sys0p | I hope this is an appropriate place for my question - I've been googling but not finding anything relevant from the last few years. I'm using a Debian derivative and just trying to get a simple script to execute on startup. It is DavMail if you are familiar.... |
| 19:39.44 | gebruiker | man . . . just read about a guy who hunts down pedophiles and beats them with a hammer |
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| 19:40.28 | Sys0p | so I created a symbolic link in ~/.config/autostart -- that seems the most reasonable thing in the world -- ln -s /usr/bin/davmail. I can execute it from the terminal in that directory just fine, but it doesn't fire on startup |
| 19:40.53 | gebruiker | Sys0p, if the derative is using systemd, then look up info on how to write a script that does so |
| 19:40.55 | Senki | THERE'S NERDS IN HERE?! |
| 19:41.00 | Senki | hides |
| 19:41.38 | gebruiker | do not move you will be over analized senki |
| 19:41.39 | furiae | :D ill catch you nerd =_= |
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| 19:42.00 | Sys0p | Thank you gebruiker - I had that going too but it runs in the context of a different UID - and therefore different settings from my normal user |
| 19:42.13 | gosul33t | furiae, do you have a problem or just making a statement that you've installed arch linux? |
| 19:42.18 | furiae | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:42.33 | furiae | im just bragging about how k00l i am now |
| 19:43.22 | furiae | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.39 | teraflops | hey there's a #debian-offtopic for that shit... |
| 19:43.51 | furiae | sorry |
| 19:43.59 | Senki | is installing. Please wait... |
| 19:44.04 | gosul33t | furiae, read the topic |
| 19:44.08 | gebruiker | Sys0p, afaik systemd covers so check uot the manual |
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| 19:44.30 | Sys0p | Will look there gebruiker..Thanks! :D |
| 19:44.36 | Senki | I was very excited. I got DebianDog Jessie running on a VM yesterday |
| 19:44.46 | Senki | first time using a VM for anything |
| 19:45.10 | gebruiker | Senki, virgins are not congratulated but thrown even more in the deep end |
| 19:45.27 | gebruiker | >P |
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| 19:45.37 | Senki | fine by me lol |
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| 19:45.55 | Senki | I'm fairly new. the learning is coming slow but I love fiddling and figuring stuff out |
| 19:46.15 | Senki | once I get moved and settled I'll have a better than bad dial-up internet connection so I can work on more :D |
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| 19:47.12 | gebruiker | need to go |
| 19:47.14 | gebruiker | -quit |
| 19:47.35 | maxcell_ | im not that new but not that experience like those guys here but there is some distribution that really teachs you about how linux systems works |
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| 19:48.12 | Senki | what ones, in your opinion, maxcell_? |
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| 19:48.24 | maxcell_ | Senki, think Arch linux is the best for it |
| 19:48.30 | Senki | okay. noted |
| 19:48.37 | Senki | is debian more user friendly? |
| 19:49.02 | gosul33t | Senki, than Arch linux? |
| 19:49.04 | gosul33t | I doubt it |
| 19:49.11 | Senki | okay |
| 19:49.17 | Senki | most of my experience is with debian |
| 19:49.19 | gosul33t | I mean, I doubt that Arch is more user friendly, haha |
| 19:49.21 | Senki | a little with ubuntu |
| 19:49.30 | Senki | ohh that's what I meant |
| 19:49.36 | gosul33t | okay, cool :) |
| 19:49.36 | teraflops | maxcell_: if you avoid the distro specific utilities I think it does not matter which distro you pick |
| 19:49.41 | maxcell_ | hmm, the strongest thing in Debian that makes it userfriendly is the awesome apt-get to manage packages wich is way beyong everything else |
| 19:49.58 | gosul33t | maxcell_, are you sure it is? |
| 19:50.07 | maxcell_ | gosul33t, just my opinion |
| 19:50.10 | gosul33t | i honestly prefer yum and dnf |
| 19:50.11 | teraflops | apart the pakage manager ofc |
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| 19:50.44 | furiae | im a first tiome linux user, and i find arch linux a breeze after installing it, to get packages you just type pacman -S |
| 19:50.52 | teraflops | but yeah vanilla looks good too if you want to learn |
| 19:50.53 | maxcell_ | teraflops, idk, i think Arch really teachs you like a professor |
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| 19:52.02 | maxcell_ | teraflops, you install it reading the Wiki instructions and it fill you with that knowlegde of how system works since the little begnin its very cool to learning |
| 19:52.54 | teraflops | maxcell_: install.txt is all you need |
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| 19:53.08 | maxcell_ | ? |
| 19:53.11 | maxcell_ | dont get it teraflops |
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| 19:53.25 | teraflops | maxcell_: do you use arch or not? |
| 19:53.34 | teraflops | ^ |
| 19:53.35 | maxcell_ | teraflops, i use to |
| 19:54.26 | maxcell_ | i like the system but there is a few things that doesn't satisfied me |
| 19:54.42 | maxcell_ | so i change |
| 19:55.27 | teraflops | maxcell_: that's fine perhaps #debian is not the right place for discussing it |
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| 19:55.45 | teraflops | we can continue on #debian-offtopic if you want |
| 19:56.38 | maxcell_ | ok |
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| 19:56.44 | maxcell_ | letsgo |
| 19:56.54 | teraflops | im already there |
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| 20:20.03 | tom99 | ok dumb question: when I went to look in xterm how it chooses colors, it has no colors and merely says it uses "System colors" |
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| 20:20.22 | somiaj | tom99: colors for what? |
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| 20:20.43 | tom99 | However when I go to my menu System Tools -> Preferences -> System settings and click on Color I don't see anything |
| 20:20.51 | tom99 | somiaj: text bg and fg |
| 20:20.52 | somiaj | tom99: there is a basic 16 color pallet that termainsl (and thus xterm) use that can be modified. Or are you more say talking about the colors used in 'ls' |
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| 20:21.07 | tom99 | the former |
| 20:21.16 | somiaj | tom99: do you just want to set the default colors or mess with the color pallet. LIke grey on black vs say white on blue? |
| 20:21.17 | tom99 | what is the "basic 16 color pallete" and is it in the manual? |
| 20:21.33 | tom99 | i want to know waht the colors are and change them |
| 20:21.38 | tom99 | so like to a hex code |
| 20:21.42 | somiaj | tom99: I'd have to look up how ot change these colors, but with xterm you can set the fg and bg color with either .Xresources or command line options. |
| 20:21.53 | tom99 | I can't find the existing colors though? |
| 20:21.59 | tom99 | or should I do something goofy like use a color picker? |
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| 20:22.06 | somiaj | tom99: somethign like xterm -bg blue -fg white |
| 20:22.33 | somiaj | tom99: there is a file somewhere (I would have to look it up) that converts names to hex codes, or you can just give it a hex code I belive #rrggbb |
| 20:22.35 | tom99 | I'm actually using gnome-terminal, sorry |
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| 20:23.14 | somiaj | then read the man page for gnome-terminal. I would be surprised if it didn't have a -bg and -fg option. |
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| 20:25.28 | tom99 | all of these suggestions and hits I'm getting on google are how to set the colors |
| 20:25.39 | tom99 | but there's no reference to whatever these default "System colors" are |
| 20:25.48 | tom99 | unless it just means some default scheme inside gnome-terminal |
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| 20:26.25 | tom99 | man gnome-terminal gives no information |
| 20:27.06 | somiaj | tom99: not this is more core, as in the consoles will use the same colors for text. |
| 20:27.30 | somiaj | tom99: but for just setting the foreground and background color, that should be eitehr a config file or flag you give |
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| 20:28.58 | Orbinaut | Wouldn't gnome-terminal have a gui in the settings to set colors? |
| 20:29.08 | somiaj | I'm finding info about having to change gnomes configuration libary. Maybe it is in the gui somewhere. I woudln't know |
| 20:29.19 | somiaj | I'm just use xterm and .Xresources |
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| 20:30.52 | somiaj | tom99: http://askubuntu.com/questions/628122/how-can-i-set-the-background-color-of-gnome-terminal-using-gconftool-2 -- that might work. |
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| 20:31.32 | somiaj | looks like there is some profile preferences in the edit menu of the terminal that may have settings for this over using gconftool-2 |
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| 20:36.47 | tom99 | well I followed that guide and I'm confused because it doesn't work |
| 20:37.07 | tom99 | I set the background_color in /apps/gnome-terminal/Default/profiles to be some string |
| 20:37.07 | mtn | gnome-terminal makes it easy to change font and background colors. |
| 20:37.23 | tom99 | but no matter what I do it doesn't show up either in the current terminal or in a new one |
| 20:37.40 | mtn | tom99: Edit -- Profile preferences |
| 20:37.43 | tom99 | it says in the profile use_theme_colors = true |
| 20:37.59 | somiaj | tom99: turn that to false so it dosen't use the theme |
| 20:38.10 | somiaj | (that is what the link I shared says) |
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| 20:40.23 | tom99 | oh I see it somiaj. turns out I had a different webpage loaded that looked identical to yours on the same site |
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| 20:41.02 | tom99 | oh here's the link: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/133914/set-gnome-terminal-background-text-color-from-bash-script |
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| 20:44.42 | tom99 | ok you're right somiaj. |
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| 20:44.57 | tom99 | setting use-theme-colors to false makes my changes to that background_color variable happen instantly |
| 20:45.12 | tom99 | so we've almost completely discovered what these mysterious "system colors" are |
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| 20:49.28 | tom99 | whoa |
| 20:49.56 | tom99 | So apparently the file it uses is $HOME/.gconf/apps/gnome-terminal/profiles/Deafult/%gconf.xml |
| 20:50.01 | tom99 | and it's a simple text file |
| 20:50.15 | tom99 | BUT if you replace the foreground_color variable in there with a different number it doesn't do anything |
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| 20:50.30 | tom99 | So apparently you MUST use gconftool for the OS to recognize it |
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| 20:51.55 | mtn | tom99: using the builtin gui preferences is much easier ;) |
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| 20:59.35 | tom99 | mtn: but with the power of greyskull, i am HEMAN |
| 20:59.42 | tom99 | er I mean the power of the command line |
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| 21:00.05 | tom99 | anyway I didn't learn what I wanted so I just took screenshots and opened them in gimp (Inkscape wouldnt' take the copypaste!) |
| 21:00.34 | tom99 | So apparently gnome-terminal uses some kind of anti-aliasing? |
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| 21:00.41 | tom99 | the text is not uniformly blac |
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| 21:00.44 | tom99 | k |
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| 21:03.56 | tom99 | Anyway that was fun |
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| 21:11.07 | debkad | I have a very odd problem, lirc is loaded, but the remote control didn't accept any action, i stop/restart lirc same problem but when i did: modprobe -r lirc_serial that surprise me the lirc is started itself and my remote control working |
| 21:11.26 | debkad | wondering what the thing make it not working or started itself |
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| 21:27.33 | Agafnd | what's the proper place to request that a program be packaged for debian? |
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| 21:30.19 | Agafnd | for example, huggle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Huggle) is not in the repositories as far as i can tell, which is a downer |
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| 21:32.23 | debkad | Agafnd, https://github.com/huggle/huggle3-qt-lx/archive/3.1.21.tar.gz |
| 21:32.59 | Agafnd | so I should build it myself? |
| 21:33.36 | debkad | Agafnd, yeah or visit its page here https://github.com/huggle/huggle3-qt-lx ( it describe how to install ) :) |
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| 21:34.01 | debkad | there is a .deb file but for ubuntu, not sure if you can install it with dpkg |
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| 22:14.59 | jmss | Hi, how do I make sure eth0 is ifup'ed on boot? It is configured in interfaces but not brought up on boot. |
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| 22:15.03 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world |
| 22:15.23 | jmss | if I ifup eth0, it works |
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| 22:15.36 | Klaus_Dieter | I am trying to isntall wine32 on and amd64 system and apt yells at me for requesting an impossible situation. what is the preferred way of installing this? |
| 22:16.37 | Klaus_Dieter | http://paste.debian.net/828420/ << apt-get install wine32 |
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| 22:17.18 | graytron | jmss: maybe add "auto eth0" line above the "iface eth0 ..." line |
| 22:18.31 | graytron | jmss: maybe check also "man interfaces" |
| 22:19.10 | jmss | graytron, it's auto: http://pastebin.com/7WJnttrB |
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| 22:19.42 | jmss | I've always used it like this, I suspect it is systemctl's fault |
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| 22:19.50 | jmss | systemd |
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| 22:26.14 | graytron | jmss: have you tried adding "allow-hotplug eth0" above "auto eth0"? |
| 22:26.16 | th0r | jmss, add this to eth0 in interfaces 'iface eth0 inet static' |
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| 22:28.12 | jmss | th0r, I have, line 35 pastebin |
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| 22:28.34 | jmss | graytron, will try that |
| 22:29.38 | th0r | jmss, my bad.... |
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| 22:30.31 | teraflops | go apologize to systemd :P |
| 22:31.09 | jmss | th0r, no prob |
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| 22:32.22 | debkad | hahaha |
| 22:32.35 | debkad | i feel that way about systemd |
| 22:32.45 | graytron | jmss: if that doesn't work, maybe you're missing resolvconf package :) |
| 22:32.56 | jmss | graytron, it worked |
| 22:33.04 | debkad | good |
| 22:33.12 | debkad | congratulation |
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| 22:33.26 | mado | hello again everyone : ) |
| 22:33.31 | graytron | jmms: great |
| 22:33.43 | jmss | graytron, it may be so because this board has a pseudo ethernet adapter based on USB |
| 22:33.59 | jmss | so it may work differently that a real eth card |
| 22:33.59 | graytron | jmss: probably |
| 22:34.05 | jmss | but it used to work before |
| 22:34.10 | debkad | hey mado |
| 22:34.38 | mado | debkad: hello : ) ... |
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| 22:35.50 | debkad | how to debianise everything |
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| 22:36.19 | mado | i have finally been able to install Debian ... now I guess I have to get used to GNOME - unless I install some other desktop environment ... anyway ... i've run into some for me weird issue ... i thought by using this program where all the packages are listed i could install programs and updates ... |
| 22:37.27 | mtn | mado: you mean synaptic? |
| 22:37.38 | mado | it asked me for my password and it all seemed to work but it looks like i cannot install anything - i've tried installing Pidgin for instance or VLC media player ... but they're nowhere to be found ... and when i tried it via a terminal it said that i will get reported because i'm not allowed to install anything |
| 22:38.28 | mtn | mado: maybe you are missing part of your sources list: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 22:38.38 | mado | i'm afraid i don't know yet what it's called as unfortunately everything is in German : ) ... it doesn't show certain names when using German ... so far I'm also trying to figure out how to get everything in English and also switch back between those two languages : ) |
| 22:38.57 | teraflops | looks like you're not allowed to run sudo |
| 22:39.02 | mtn | mado: some programs are in non-free or contrib |
| 22:39.15 | graytron | sudo always warns about reporting you to the authorities on first run :) |
| 22:39.24 | teraflops | the reported bit looks like that |
| 22:40.10 | mado | interesting ... can it say that every time i try it? ... would be a neat thing in the near future when i let younger family members work and play on the computer : ) |
| 22:40.42 | mado | anyway ... let me qickly check out this sources-link mtn posted |
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| 22:41.44 | mi11k1 | hello, this isn't exactly debian related , but can somebody help me with this script, I wanted to execxute theses commands in xterm for 5 seconds then close. http://paste.debian.net/828463/ |
| 22:42.11 | graytron | mado: ok, i misunderstood. as teraflops mentioned, you are possibly missing the right to run sudo |
| 22:42.24 | Aaron | mi11k1: ask in #bash |
| 22:42.24 | Aaron | ;) |
| 22:42.28 | Aaron | they might help you |
| 22:42.32 | mado | weird ... i get a message saying that some dpkg-process was aborted and that i need to manually run a command |
| 22:42.36 | mi11k1 | ohh ok thanks |
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| 22:42.53 | mi11k1 | mado, apt-get -f install |
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| 22:43.06 | mado | shall i do that right away before checking the sources-thing? |
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| 22:43.17 | mi11k1 | i would |
| 22:43.32 | mado | alright |
| 22:43.48 | Aaron | first try apt-get update; and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 22:43.51 | Aaron | and you are good |
| 22:43.53 | mints | how are debian drivers for macs |
| 22:44.22 | mi11k1 | good as far as i know |
| 22:44.39 | mi11k1 | for the older intels anyways, i had no probs |
| 22:44.52 | mado | Aaron: ? i can neither "apt-get update" nor do it with a "sudo" before this |
| 22:45.04 | teraflops | mints: mac uses intel these days, bcm for wireless can be a pain in the ass though |
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| 22:45.11 | mi11k1 | mado, what do you mean? |
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| 22:45.19 | mado | says i'm not part of a sudoers-file |
| 22:45.21 | graytron | mi11k1: instead of newlines try separating commands with semicolon ';' ? |
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| 22:45.35 | mado | and it again says i'm getting reported :D |
| 22:45.36 | mi11k1 | mado, su |
| 22:45.46 | mi11k1 | mado, then adduser you sudo |
| 22:45.47 | graytron | mi11k1: and you're missing an ending ' |
| 22:45.56 | Aaron | mado: yeah but when you run the commands. you always run them with root privilages in this case. apt-get |
| 22:46.11 | Aaron | mado: type adduser user sudo |
| 22:46.31 | mi11k1 | mado, then logout and log back in |
| 22:46.33 | Aaron | or add your self to /etc/sudoers |
| 22:46.39 | mi11k1 | or open a new term |
| 22:46.49 | Aaron | mi11k1: not really you don't need rebooting |
| 22:46.59 | mi11k1 | i just said logout |
| 22:47.25 | mado | guys, guys, guys ... please ... let's take this slow : ) ... i'm new to all this ... : ) |
| 22:47.25 | Aaron | not even |
| 22:47.38 | mado | and don't fight or anything like that : ) |
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| 22:47.49 | mi11k1 | haha |
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| 22:48.09 | debkad | :D |
| 22:48.13 | graytron | mado: when you installed debian, you probably chose to create a password for root user, correct? |
| 22:48.27 | mado | i was asked to, yes graytron |
| 22:48.41 | debkad | that happen to me before |
| 22:48.58 | mado | alright ... i did the "su" thing in the terminal ... |
| 22:49.03 | mtn | nothing wrong with using root instead of sudo |
| 22:49.04 | mado | and tried the apt-get update ... |
| 22:49.14 | debkad | if you let it blanc and add password for user it will make you poweruser automatically |
| 22:49.25 | mado | after that i got some error message again ... telling me i had to enter ... dpkg --configure -a |
| 22:49.28 | mado | which i did |
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| 22:49.44 | debkad | mtn, not safe for him as he is new |
| 22:49.44 | mado | now the "apt-get update"-command runs smoothly |
| 22:49.54 | graytron | mado: what does "groups" list for you as groups? |
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| 22:49.58 | mtn | debkad: sure it is. just have to pay attention |
| 22:50.05 | mado | i'd rather not be a poweruser or root or whatever right away : ) |
| 22:50.07 | mtn | debkad: sudo is not any safer at all |
| 22:50.36 | debkad | mtn, if he forget to exit from root he will make some big issues |
| 22:50.40 | mado | i'd rather get notified that i need root priviledges for something first : ) |
| 22:50.41 | mi11k1 | mado, sudo is temp root provledges |
| 22:50.49 | mi11k1 | its necessary |
| 22:50.59 | debkad | but sudo it is for a specific action |
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| 22:51.34 | mado | okay ... so by using "su" right now i am root ... but i'm sure that i can switch back to "regular me" without problems can i not? |
| 22:51.44 | mi11k1 | everexit |
| 22:51.46 | mi11k1 | exit |
| 22:51.58 | mi11k1 | now add yousekf to sudo |
| 22:51.59 | mado | : ) thought so ... but i wanted to make sure |
| 22:52.06 | mi11k1 | adduser yourmuser sudo |
| 22:52.13 | mi11k1 | then exit |
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| 22:52.52 | mi11k1 | the sudo apt-get will work, but you might need to open a new term ot whatever |
| 22:53.00 | mado | okay ... i just did that but check this out -> mario cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin scanner bluetooth |
| 22:53.08 | mado | this is what it tells me when i enter "groups" |
| 22:53.20 | mi11k1 | those are tthe grouos you are in |
| 22:53.32 | mado | yes ... i thought i was added to the sudo group too now? |
| 22:53.37 | mi11k1 | notoce no sudo? |
| 22:53.47 | mi11k1 | ohh, you should be |
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| 22:53.50 | graytron | mado: ok, so you might want to add yourself to "sudo" group, as suggested, but it is not necessary |
| 22:53.53 | mi11k1 | open a new term |
| 22:54.18 | mado | new term opened |
| 22:54.22 | graytron | mado: if you add yourself to a new group, you probably have to log out of gnome and back in for the changes to take effect |
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| 22:54.24 | mi11k1 | now try sudo |
| 22:55.14 | mi11k1 | yah, ive already mentioned, that but the politcal correctness police started |
| 22:55.30 | mado | ? |
| 22:55.38 | mi11k1 | like this should have been resolved along time ago |
| 22:55.40 | mi11k1 | mado, |
| 22:55.41 | debkad | logout |
| 22:55.42 | mado | i didn't see anyone doing any political correctness thing : ) |
| 22:55.45 | debkad | disconnect |
| 22:56.00 | mi11k1 | mado, does it work or what? |
| 22:56.06 | mado | one moment .. |
| 22:56.16 | mi11k1 | try sudo apt-get update |
| 22:56.28 | mado | let's take it slow : ) ... not yet ... i will now try the logout log back in thing : ) |
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| 22:56.50 | mi11k1 | thats a little too slow, why dont you try it first |
| 22:57.07 | mi11k1 | usually just close the term and open a new one |
| 22:57.32 | mi11k1 | hit arrow up a few times |
| 22:57.38 | mi11k1 | and push enter |
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| 22:58.34 | mi11k1 | thats too much |
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| 23:00.06 | mado | and back ... now with a new problem : ) ... the terminal won't launch any more |
| 23:00.20 | mi11k1 | what? |
| 23:00.28 | mi11k1 | what term? |
| 23:00.46 | mado | i tried opening it ... there was some loading and then nothing |
| 23:01.09 | mi11k1 | use ctrl alt f1 |
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| 23:01.16 | mi11k1 | f7 to get back |
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| 23:01.29 | mi11k1 | ctrl alt f7 or f6v i forgrt |
| 23:01.41 | mado | F7 : ) ... |
| 23:01.47 | teraflops | mado: gnome? |
| 23:02.15 | mado | alright ... this helped ... it shows i'm now part of the sudo group : ) ... ... yes, teraflops i'm using gnome, if that is what you're asking |
| 23:02.31 | mado | i thought i should give this one a try first before using something else maybe : ) |
| 23:02.44 | mi11k1 | now try yur update and upgrade |
| 23:03.03 | teraflops | go to tty and install another terminal emulator, then under gnome open launch gnome-terminal from the terminal emulator you installed |
| 23:03.06 | mado | one the F1-side? ... even though the terminal doesn't launch? |
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| 23:03.25 | mi11k1 | try terminator |
| 23:03.35 | mi11k1 | apt-get install terminator |
| 23:03.35 | teraflops | mado: yeah on tty |
| 23:04.01 | teraflops | mi11k1: I recall gnome-terminal not running if your locales are messed |
| 23:04.25 | mi11k1 | yah, i dont use it, well mate and plasma or openbox |
| 23:04.44 | mi11k1 | i guess mate is gnome2 maybe |
| 23:05.14 | teraflops | I just dont remember the error, if you launch gnome terminal from another terminal emulator youll see the output enf the error message (hopefully) |
| 23:05.49 | mado | okay ... i did the apt-get update ... i installed gnome-terminal ... and i installed terminator ... |
| 23:06.16 | teraflops | mado: wait you already have gnome terminal I guess |
| 23:06.17 | mi11k1 | do apt-get dist-upgrade too |
| 23:06.27 | mi11k1 | who knows |
| 23:06.37 | debkad | his terminal didn't launch i think |
| 23:06.42 | mi11k1 | maybe thats why it didibt work |
| 23:06.52 | mado | dist-upgrade ... done ... |
| 23:07.05 | mado | yes ... the terminal didn't launch ... terminator does |
| 23:07.13 | debkad | after dist-upgrade it need to reboot |
| 23:07.18 | mi11k1 | no |
| 23:07.24 | debkad | o_o |
| 23:07.26 | mado | it didn't ask for a reboot |
| 23:07.42 | mado | do you want me to reboot, debkad ? |
| 23:07.43 | mi11k1 | i do sometimes if its kernel related |
| 23:07.59 | debkad | i had some problems when i do dist-upgrade until i reboot, but may be that only me o_o |
| 23:08.00 | mi11k1 | do whatever floats yer boat |
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| 23:08.28 | mado | well if i don't need to do one right now i'd rather stay at first : ) |
| 23:08.39 | debkad | ok that wiz |
| 23:08.46 | mi11k1 | well, stay then |
| 23:08.52 | mado | sooo ... what do you want me to do now? |
| 23:09.01 | mi11k1 | format c: |
| 23:09.06 | mado | yeah right : ) |
| 23:09.07 | teraflops | run gnome-terminal |
| 23:09.09 | mado | *chuckle* |
| 23:09.29 | teraflops | mado: from terminator |
| 23:10.05 | debkad | teraflops, brilliant idea |
| 23:10.41 | teraflops | mado: look at the text output in terminator's window |
| 23:10.44 | debkad | i guess to show what happen |
| 23:11.30 | mado | http://dpaste.com/09ENKPM |
| 23:11.31 | teraflops | look for error fatal dang and so on :P |
| 23:11.44 | mado | the error message i get when trying to open it |
| 23:11.46 | teraflops | mado: yeah locales |
| 23:11.54 | teraflops | what I said |
| 23:12.22 | mado | so what does this mean? ... just because i hopefully got everything in English now it won't launch? |
| 23:12.29 | teraflops | fix your locales then |
| 23:13.46 | debkad | it is locale |
| 23:13.49 | teraflops | it means gnome.terminal is sooo picky with the locales |
| 23:14.08 | teraflops | s/./- |
| 23:14.26 | mado | what does that mean in plain English? |
| 23:14.37 | teraflops | mado: how did you setup locales? |
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| 23:14.50 | mado | i don't even know what "locale/s" means right now |
| 23:14.54 | graytron | mado: are you sure you're not logged in as root? |
| 23:14.58 | graytron | mado: in gnome |
| 23:15.31 | graytron | you shouldn't |
| 23:15.50 | mado | how will i find that out? ... when clicking on the battery thing in the top right corner it uses my name, graytron |
| 23:15.57 | mado | my name ... not "root" |
| 23:16.02 | debkad | mado, locale-gen as root then the same for localectl set-locale LANG="en_US.UTF-8" ( for utf-8 ) you need may be reboot to take effect |
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| 23:16.35 | graytron | mado: seems like your safe there :) |
| 23:16.50 | mado | : ) ... okay graytron |
| 23:16.50 | teraflops | mado: localectl status |
| 23:17.03 | mado | debkad: ... that doesn't explain yet what all this means |
| 23:17.58 | debkad | mado, the first one it regenerate locale |
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| 23:18.23 | teraflops | mado: share the output of localectl status |
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| 23:19.19 | mado | debkad: again ... i have no idea what "locale" means here : ) ... |
| 23:19.23 | mado | teraflops: one moment |
| 23:19.33 | debkad | mado, it is about language |
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| 23:19.58 | mado | okay ... that helps a little further : ) |
| 23:20.15 | bazhang | mado, amreican english, british english etc etc |
| 23:20.38 | debkad | mado, type the command localectl it will show you the output and you will understand what it mean :) like teraflops said |
| 23:21.03 | mado | http://dpaste.com/1SZYZHY |
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| 23:21.20 | mtcj | Amreican English is primarily spoken by living in East America. |
| 23:21.52 | teraflops | I cannot see english there |
| 23:22.06 | debkad | it is german |
| 23:22.35 | mado | what i'd like to have is an operating system incl. programs to be all in English and German ... i'd like to be able to switch between those languages at will ... if it requires for changes to take effect or the old logout and right back in i don't care ... |
| 23:22.44 | teraflops | mado: did you set english in gnome configuration? |
| 23:23.07 | mtcj | mado: is this for an organization or team for example? |
| 23:23.17 | teraflops | mado: again I dont see english locales generated |
| 23:23.18 | mado | numbers, calender, dates, whatever should be in German and English as well ... and my keyboard layout should be the Austrian one please |
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| 23:23.44 | mado | does this help you guys to give you an idea what's right or wrong with my "locale"-thing? |
| 23:23.49 | teraflops | heh |
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| 23:24.02 | mado | because i'm a little confused right now - sorry : ) |
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| 23:24.44 | teraflops | mado: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:25.23 | teraflops | mado: you can pick more than one locale |
| 23:25.43 | mado | okay but what exactly is the "locale" now? ... is it my keyboard layout? |
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| 23:25.49 | mado | is it my numbers, dates, etc? |
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| 23:25.59 | mado | the operating system and programs' language? |
| 23:26.13 | mado | or all of it together? |
| 23:26.37 | mado | and the things i say are merely sub categories of this big thing called "locale" ? |
| 23:26.52 | teraflops | mado: e.g mine http://ix.io/1ocU |
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| 23:27.32 | mado | thank you ... i'm still not exactly sure though what it means |
| 23:27.38 | mado | i see Spanish there |
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| 23:28.43 | teraflops | mado: just reconfigure locales and go to gnome control pannel and select the keyb layout and language you want since you need to setup locales for X too, then reboot for the sake of our sanity |
| 23:28.56 | teraflops | mado: yeah im spanish :P |
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| 23:30.06 | debkad | ah |
| 23:30.19 | mado | now it's getting difficult ... how do i know which ones i need when i don't completely understand what all this is about? |
| 23:30.40 | mado | let's try this ... |
| 23:30.49 | mado | explain it to me as if i was a child : ) |
| 23:30.53 | mado | *chuckle* |
| 23:30.57 | teraflops | mado: which languages you want in your system |
| 23:31.02 | teraflops | ^? |
| 23:31.18 | teraflops | german + english? |
| 23:31.51 | debkad | mado, i even don't know why it is called locale but i know it is something about language/keyboard stuff |
| 23:31.51 | mado | right now ... English and German ... so that the family members i'm with right now could use the computer too |
| 23:32.19 | teraflops | so pick the nes you want from the list, the utf8 ones |
| 23:32.25 | teraflops | ones* |
| 23:32.29 | mado | some time later in the future (when exactly i don't know yet) i may need additional languages : ) |
| 23:32.35 | debkad | mado, you need only one language as the standard and then add any other one and choose what key to switch ( it is called layout ) |
| 23:32.40 | teraflops | mado: ok no problem |
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| 23:35.38 | mado | got some error there |
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| 23:36.13 | amoise | So I'm trying to launch an app in Wine, and the app complains that it can't connect to the internet and then quits. I think it's a 32 bit app, and I see some out-of-date-looking information on the web saying I need to do something special for wine DNS in 32-bit apps, but poking around I couldn't make it work. |
| 23:36.21 | amoise | Or should I be asking this in a Wine support channel? |
| 23:36.34 | mado | http://dpaste.com/2AWV3KY - teraflops and debkad |
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| 23:37.22 | teraflops | why en_US and en_GB? |
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| 23:37.40 | mado | because i wasn't sure which one got better support : ) |
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| 23:38.18 | teraflops | mado: also notice the first failure as in your locales was already borked ^ |
| 23:38.27 | teraflops | just pick en_US |
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| 23:38.36 | mado | i once stumbled upon some article that said some prograsm work better with one English version than the other |
| 23:38.51 | mado | alright ... i'll de-select en_GB then |
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| 23:39.26 | mado | okay - done |
| 23:39.48 | teraflops | it's generated fine? no error? |
| 23:40.02 | mado | now i need to write down this command so that i will hopefully know it in the future |
| 23:40.27 | teraflops | then reboot and start gnome and go to gnome control panel to keyboard or language I dont remember it's by there |
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| 23:40.36 | mado | http://dpaste.com/226NT89 |
| 23:40.48 | mado | looks error free to me ... but maybe i've overlooked something? |
| 23:40.51 | teraflops | once there chek the keyb layout and the system language |
| 23:41.10 | teraflops | mado: nah it's fine |
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| 23:42.05 | mado | alright ... see you in a few bits after the reboot |
| 23:42.09 | teraflops | k |
| 23:43.01 | maxcell_ | teraflops, hello there |
| 23:43.14 | teraflops | maxcell_: hi ;) |
| 23:43.26 | maxcell_ | teraflops, the rain drops the electricity |
| 23:43.46 | maxcell_ | teraflops, so i leave |
| 23:43.55 | teraflops | wow |
| 23:43.57 | teraflops | heh |
| 23:44.20 | debkad | oh |
| 23:44.33 | maxcell_ | yeah |
| 23:44.55 | debkad | not good |
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| 23:52.01 | mado | alright ... i'm back : ) |
| 23:52.33 | mado | now what did you say? ... we shall now check the keyboard layout and something else |
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| 23:57.15 | mado | debkad: and others? |
| 23:57.38 | debkad | mado, english fixed already? |
| 23:57.55 | mado | i don't know yet ... i was just asked to reboot ... so i rebooted : ) |
| 23:58.22 | debkad | localectl will tell you if english is their or not |
| 23:58.41 | teraflops | then reboot and start gnome and go to gnome control panel to keyboard or language I dont remember it's by there |
| 23:58.49 | teraflops | once there check the keyb layout and the system language |