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| 00:22.05 | nussion | http://codoh.com/ |
| 00:22.27 | nussion | The aim of the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust is to promote intellectual freedom regarding the "Holocaust" and to offer a forum to those who contest the orthodox Holocaust narrative. |
| 00:22.47 | bazhang | !ops | nussion |
| 00:22.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | nussion |
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| 00:23.04 | nussion | bazhang, We are Anonymous. Expect us. |
| 00:23.20 | boomer | nussion, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. |
| 00:23.20 | boomer | This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on. |
| 00:23.38 | nussion | LOL. |
| 00:23.47 | nussion | That's an automated script informational. |
| 00:23.52 | bazhang | expectin klineage yeah |
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| 00:24.17 | bazhang | thanks somiaj |
| 00:24.24 | boomer | hugs somiaj |
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| 00:31.57 | hanshenrik__ | running debian 9 testing, installed a brand new up to date system (on vmware) |
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| 00:32.24 | hanshenrik__ | apt-get install lightdm; ends with "cp: cannot stat '/etc/modprove.d/*': no such file or directory |
| 00:32.38 | hanshenrik__ | any idea what that's about? |
| 00:32.42 | bazhang | hanshenrik__, debian-next on oftc irc |
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| 00:33.27 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 00:33.27 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:33.33 | petn-randall | hanshenrik__: ^ |
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| 00:33.52 | craissions | http://ccfiile.com/Holocaust_Liars.html |
| 00:34.05 | craissions | Even if the âholocaustâ were true, which it is not, the war crimes and mass atrocities committed by the US and Britain were far worse and far more cowardly than anything the Nazis are even accused of committing. The US and Britain murdered as many people as they possibly couldâwomen, children, babies includedâby deliberately r-o-a-s-t-i-n-g them to death with massive incendiary air attacks and firestorms (so-called âstrategic bom |
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| 00:35.03 | iamawesome | linux-image-3.16.0-4-586 , linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae |
| 00:35.09 | iamawesome | What's the difference ? |
| 00:35.18 | bazhang | one is pae |
| 00:35.19 | iamawesome | What's pae here? Why do we need pae? |
| 00:35.35 | iamawesome | What's the difference between 586 and 686, which should i install? |
| 00:35.39 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: what is your CPU? |
| 00:35.46 | bazhang | how much ram you got |
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| 00:35.55 | TomTomTosch | you need it if your prozessor supports it. it's an extension for addressable memory on 32bit cpus |
| 00:36.01 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.66GHz |
| 00:36.06 | iamawesome | bazhang: 4GB |
| 00:36.09 | peanutbr | so they lied to us about the holocaust while told us nothing of the firebombing they deliberately inflicted on German civilians? And we defend this trash? |
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| 00:36.42 | petn-randall | Please drop any talk about what craissions said, it's offtopic. |
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| 00:37.04 | bazhang | its the same guy |
| 00:37.26 | bazhang | 4th nick of late |
| 00:37.52 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: unless it's 10 years old it's probably 64 bit. what does "grep '^model name' /proc/cpuinfo" say? |
| 00:38.03 | Yugidude1 | that pentium D is 10 years old. |
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| 00:38.32 | Yugidude1 | That clock speed and it being a pentium would be the 805 which is actually 11 |
| 00:39.03 | Yugidude1 | http://ark.intel.com/products/27511/Intel-Pentium-D-Processor-805-2M-Cache-2_66-GHz-533-MHz-FSB in case you're curious |
| 00:39.22 | iamawesome | So when do i need 586 instead of 686 ? |
| 00:39.49 | iamawesome | I think, this processor support 64 bit operating system. |
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| 00:40.30 | llldino | Hey guys, I've got my printer shared over the network, but it's broadcasting it's address as "ipps://tehaw.local:631/printers/DCPL2540DW" tehaw.local doesn't exist and it should be bcasting "ipps://10.0.0.10:631/printers/DCPL2540DW". Where do I change this behaviour? |
| 00:41.04 | Yugidude1 | iamawesome: unless i'm mistaken that cpu won't actually support a 64bit os |
| 00:41.08 | Yugidude1 | It's a little bit too old |
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| 00:42.24 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: yeah i think Yugidude1 is correct, if the link they provided is your CPU. You could also grep /proc/cpuinfo for lm |
| 00:42.37 | Yugidude1 | I just went off of 2.66 ghz pentium D there's not much that could really be |
| 00:43.06 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: you should use the pae kernel. there is a wikipedia article about this feature: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 00:44.59 | iamawesome | cat /proc/cpuinfo = https://bpaste.net/show/03930bc56acb |
| 00:45.23 | Yugidude1 | All it said was 2.66 ghz pentium D of which there is really only one |
| 00:45.37 | iamawesome | Is it 64 bit processor? |
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| 00:46.03 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: if it has the 'lm' flag then it is 64 bit. if it has the 'pae' flag, you should use the pae kernel |
| 00:46.12 | iamawesome | http://ark.intel.com/products/27511/Intel-Pentium-D-Processor-805-2M-Cache-2_66-GHz-533-MHz-FSB , here at bottom intel64 bit = yes |
| 00:46.45 | iamawesome | I think, it has lm flag = flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl tm2 cid cx16 xtpr lahf_lm |
| 00:46.52 | Yugidude1 | Yeah on ark i missed it but 64 bit instruction set 32 bit pae |
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| 00:47.02 | Yugidude1 | It was made in that awkward transition phase |
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| 00:49.00 | Yugidude1 | iamawesome: what exactly are you hoping to do with that computer. As that cpu is pretty old |
| 00:49.10 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: It has both lm and pae flag. |
| 00:49.39 | Yugidude1 | Yeah. About that. It was in the weird period of transition it has a 64 bit instruction set but can only address 4 gigs of ram |
| 00:49.54 | Yugidude1 | due to the 32 bit physical address extensions |
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| 00:51.29 | XiX | hey guys where can I download krustykrab for debian? |
| 00:51.44 | iamawesome | What does lm mean? |
| 00:52.19 | XiX | krustykrab the software |
| 00:52.42 | bazhang | XiX, no such thing |
| 00:52.43 | XiX | I try to apt-get install krustykrab but it says not found |
| 00:52.53 | bazhang | XiX, why keep asking |
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| 00:53.12 | XiX | bazhang: do you know where i can find krustykrab |
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| 00:53.31 | bazhang | xix no |
| 00:53.53 | XiX | do I need to compile krustykrab to install it then |
| 00:55.46 | XiX | can someone here help me compile krustykrab |
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| 00:57.53 | somiaj | What is krustykrab? I am not getting any useful google results. |
| 00:58.08 | bazhang | trollers term somiaj |
| 00:58.18 | XiX | no krustykrab is a management software |
| 00:58.30 | XiX | for human resource management at restaurants, google krustykrab |
| 00:58.34 | bazhang | yeah no its not |
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| 01:00.17 | iamawesome | How can i install php7? |
| 01:00.24 | somiaj | iamawesome: on debian jessie? |
| 01:00.29 | iamawesome | Yes. |
| 01:00.32 | somiaj | ,v php |
| 01:00.33 | judd | Package: php on amd64 -- sid: 1:7.0+44; stretch: 1:7.0+44 |
| 01:00.38 | crystalmacey | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me_kDNrbJls&spfreload=5 "In Search of a Cure" |
| 01:00.48 | somiaj | ,v php7 |
| 01:00.49 | judd | No package named 'php7' was found in amd64. |
| 01:00.58 | crystalmacey | Health, medicine, environment, diseases, cures, martyrs and solutions. |
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| 01:01.30 | somiaj | iamawesome: I don't see it backported, so this means you would have to create your own. |
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| 01:01.56 | iamawesome | How can i create my own? What does that mean? |
| 01:02.08 | somiaj | !tell iamawesome about ssb |
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| 01:02.32 | somiaj | iamawesome: there are some instructions for taking a package from sid (I'd suggest using the one from testing) and complinging it for jessie. I also suggest doing this inside a chroot. |
| 01:02.43 | somiaj | iamawesome: you may have to backport multiple packages. |
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| 01:03.38 | iamawesome | I don't know about backport, what is that? |
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| 01:04.35 | somiaj | iamawesome: backport just means newer software compiled against the libaries in an older release. In this case you are taking software from testing and compling it against jessie libaries. |
| 01:04.42 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport php7.0 |
| 01:04.55 | judd | Backporting package php7.0 in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtidy-dev (>= 1:5.2.0), libzip-dev (>= 1.0.0). |
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| 01:05.10 | somiaj | iamawesome: this is the prefered way to install stuff that is not in stable. But it takes some work. |
| 01:05.32 | somiaj | iamawesome: but as far as I can tell there are no backports already made for debian for php7 (yet). |
| 01:06.28 | somiaj | (I guess dotdeb has them, but many here do not recomend using their packages) |
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| 01:07.12 | TomTomTosch | ,checkbackport php |
| 01:07.13 | judd | Backporting package php in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 01:07.26 | TomTomTosch | jmcnaught: i wonder why that is. i think judd lies^^ |
| 01:07.47 | iamawesome | What is that judd? |
| 01:07.51 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: it looks like you would first need to backport the two build-deps mentioned by judd above, and then you may be able to build the php7.0 source package on jessie. see "/msg dpkg ssb" |
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| 01:09.36 | jmcnaught | TomTomTosch: php on stretch/sid is a dependency package (it's a virtual package on jessie). php7.0 is the source package for all the core php packages |
| 01:09.41 | themill | tthe source package is php7.0 |
| 01:10.06 | judd | never lies |
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| 01:10.12 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: /msg dpkg ssb, what is ssb? |
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| 01:10.36 | iamawesome | Can i follow this? https://backports.debian.org/ |
| 01:10.46 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: simple sid backport, a way to recompile packages from testing or unstable on a jessie system |
| 01:11.02 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: you can use that backports repository, but php7.0 is not included on it |
| 01:11.08 | jmcnaught | ,v php7.0 |
| 01:11.09 | judd | Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- stretch: 7.0.10-1; sid: 7.0.11-1 |
| 01:11.26 | themill | ,source php7.0 --release sid |
| 01:11.27 | judd | Package php7.0 in sid -- source: php7.0 |
| 01:12.12 | jmcnaught | i don't know if judd's checkbackport lists all missing build-deps, or just a couple |
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| 01:12.47 | themill | all |
| 01:12.58 | iamawesome | I've php5 on system, if i compile php7 from source in seperate directory then add this path to .bashrc, is there any problem? |
| 01:13.14 | iamawesome | Do i have to remove php5 first? |
| 01:13.19 | jmcnaught | oh and according to the docs if you use --verbose it gives a detailed breakdown in a private message |
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| 01:14.20 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: it's probably easier to backport than to build from source in a directory. Why do you need php7.0? |
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| 01:15.44 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: a major caveat with both backporting and building from source is that you need to repeat the process every time there are security updates to install (it will no longer happen automatically with apt-get upgrade for those packages) |
| 01:18.40 | iamawesome | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 01:18.51 | iamawesome | Is it ok to add in sources.list? ^ |
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| 01:19.32 | dvs | iamawesome, no, not with the word "stable" in it. |
| 01:19.56 | iamawesome | Is it ok to add backport? deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 01:20.54 | dvs | that line looks fine |
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| 01:21.33 | mado | Hello everyone : ) |
| 01:21.51 | TomTomTosch | php7 is not in jessie-backports. you want to backport from sid, that's the whole exercise. |
| 01:22.23 | dvs | oh, ssd! |
| 01:23.29 | mado | HeXiLeD: , teraflops , ... i made it : ) |
| 01:23.39 | iamawesome | What's wrong adding stable instead of jessie? |
| 01:23.41 | iamawesome | dvs: ^ |
| 01:24.18 | dvs | iamawesome, because as soon as strech is released, everthing will be upgraded on a random day. |
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| 01:24.41 | OS-14926 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.49 | OS-14926 | fml |
| 01:25.06 | iamawesome | dvs: So that's good, i will get strech then. |
| 01:25.24 | iamawesome | dvs: The system will be upgraded to strecth which is good. |
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| 01:25.38 | dvs | iamawesome, no, upgrades need to go in a particular order or else they won't work. |
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| 01:26.43 | iamawesome | dvs: I've jessie now, so aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade will bring strech, so what's the problem? |
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| 01:27.28 | dvs | iamawesome, for now that works but it may not when stretch is finalized. |
| 01:27.53 | iamawesome | dvs: What do you mean by that? (finalized) |
| 01:28.09 | themill | iamawesome: there's also a good chance that aptitude dist-upgrade won't work for such a big upgrade |
| 01:28.29 | themill | and you wouldn't be running stretch in production... |
| 01:28.42 | dvs | iamawesome, stretch is testing. Packages are getting upgraded all the time. |
| 01:28.57 | iamawesome | Do i have to add this: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid-backports main contrib non-free to get php7 ? |
| 01:29.04 | iamawesome | deb-src .. |
| 01:29.30 | dvs | There is no such thing as "sid-backports" |
| 01:30.04 | iamawesome | Should i add testing-backports ? |
| 01:30.25 | dvs | !wayttd iamawesome |
| 01:30.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, iamawesome? |
| 01:30.44 | iamawesome | I'm trying to get php7 and install it on jessie. |
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| 01:31.14 | dvs | Oh good lunk. php is a huge undertaking. |
| 01:31.17 | iamawesome | aptitude build-dep package, what does it do? |
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| 01:32.02 | themill | manual pages do exist |
| 01:32.47 | themill | Building the package is going to fail anyway, so ... um... |
| 01:33.17 | iamawesome | Is it OK? #deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 01:33.41 | TomTomTosch | no, it's deb-src. don't break your system. |
| 01:33.59 | mado | i've got some question for y'all too ... i have just finished installing Debian 8.6 for the first time ... i'm still sort of new to Linux in general (so i guess you could say i'm still green) but i'm willing to learn ... i'm curious now as to what you'd suggest i should do next ... i'm glad i have managed to install Konversation by now ... (that didn't work last time - probably because i messed up my locale-settings or something, speaking of which |
| 01:34.00 | TomTomTosch | but else it's fine. |
| 01:34.00 | mado | - i'll check them out later - right now my system and programs should be in one language only) |
| 01:34.01 | themill | Have we adopted a Monte Carlo approach to doing things here? |
| 01:34.01 | iamawesome | Yes, deb-src |
| 01:34.15 | TomTomTosch | themill: it is getting close^^ |
| 01:34.32 | mado | TomTomTosch: i'm trying to remember ... have you and i talked earlier before or is there someone with a similar nickname to yours around here too? |
| 01:34.50 | TomTomTosch | maybe^^ |
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| 01:35.04 | iamawesome | apt-get -b source package, why not aptitude -b source package ? |
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| 01:35.18 | iamawesome | What is -b for? |
| 01:35.25 | mado | maybe you and i have talked earlier or maybe there's someone with a similar nickname around? |
| 01:35.26 | somiaj | iamawesome: build |
| 01:35.28 | TomTomTosch | iamawesome: man apt-get |
| 01:36.00 | iamawesome | Why isn't it available with aptitude ? |
| 01:36.11 | TomTomTosch | because they are different tools? |
| 01:36.12 | iamawesome | Will it work? aptitude -b source package ? |
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| 01:36.55 | somiaj | iamawesome: I was not able to find mention of -b in man aptitude. Use apt-get in this case. |
| 01:37.49 | somiaj | iamawesome: This just downloads the source and attempts to build it. It shouldn't have any affect on your installed packages. |
| 01:37.52 | iamawesome | I've a fear to add sid repo in sources.list |
| 01:38.06 | themill | iamawesome: why are you trying to do this, btw? |
| 01:38.16 | peterrooney | themill: "Monte Carlo Linux" |
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| 01:38.21 | themill | aye |
| 01:38.33 | mado | another familiar name :) ... hello peterrooney : ) |
| 01:38.39 | dvs | themill, php7 in jessie |
| 01:38.40 | TomTomTosch | mado: we can't really tell you what to do, but reading documentation is a good idea. this is a good start: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ so is https://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 01:38.43 | somiaj | iamawesome: deb-src only gives access to the source packages. It won't give you access to binary packages that can be installed. |
| 01:39.00 | themill | dvs: (that's not a reason) |
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| 01:39.44 | iamawesome | How can i search a source if it's available? |
| 01:39.56 | mado | TomTomTosch: i know you cannot tell me what to do per se but i just thought that there might be some things basically everyone does after a fresh system installation : ) |
| 01:39.58 | iamawesome | Normally I do aptitude search package |
| 01:40.07 | iamawesome | But i need to search php7 source |
| 01:40.12 | iamawesome | from sid |
| 01:40.18 | themill | lucky we already told you what that is |
| 01:40.39 | mado | like when thinking of when I install Windows ... i install drivers, updates, the programs i need, some games, ... so i thought maybe i will have to do something similar with Debian 8.6 : ) |
| 01:40.56 | TomTomTosch | mado: i would probably try out different desktop environments and configure them to your liking. |
| 01:41.23 | somiaj | mado: if you have internet source and security sources just run 'apt-get update' then run 'apt-get upgrade' and that will give you the newest software. You shouldn't need to install drivers (unless you need non-free firmware) |
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| 01:41.53 | somiaj | mado: this will give you all the current security updates, and you should consider doing this regurally (or keep on eye on the security annoucments) |
| 01:42.22 | mado | thanks for the information somiaj : ) |
| 01:42.34 | mado | where can i read about those announcements? |
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| 01:42.54 | rjsalts | mado: security.debian.org |
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| 01:44.14 | mado | speaking of drivers ... there are two things that i think aren't working or aren't working correctly yet ... i haven't tried to access my home network via wifi yet (there was a message about something while i installed Debian) ... and the other thing i noticed is that i can't see the whole Konversation settings (it's like part of it is cut off - so i guess this must mean i need to install a graphics card driver or change something else?) |
| 01:44.22 | mado | thanks rjsalts |
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| 01:44.57 | iamawesome | What's the command to search source ? |
| 01:45.06 | iamawesome | To search php7 in sid |
| 01:45.18 | iamawesome | I've added this: deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
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| 01:46.07 | TomTomTosch | mado: is that a pci wifi card or an usb dongle? |
| 01:46.09 | mado | okay - found my notes - here ... it said something about missing firmware -> brcm-bcm43xx-0.fw <- i'm not sure exactly what that is and i thought i could install it afterwards as well because it couldn't be installed from the pen drive |
| 01:46.10 | rjsalts | mado: many wifi chipsets require firmware blobs that are non-free. You might need to install this before you can get it working. There are quite a few of these packaged for debian in the non-free section |
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| 01:47.09 | mado | i assumed it was the thing for wifi |
| 01:47.58 | mado | if it is ... does this mean then i have to rely on something non-free to be able to use wifi? |
| 01:47.59 | rjsalts | mado: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-brcm80211 |
| 01:48.24 | mado | because i've currently found this page here -> https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-brcm80211 |
| 01:49.15 | mado | looks like our pages are similar, rjsalts : ) |
| 01:49.23 | rjsalts | mado: the manufacturer doesn't realease the source of the firmware blob, so it doesn't fit into the debian free software guidelines, aye |
| 01:49.29 | iamawesome | Can anyone answer? |
| 01:49.36 | rjsalts | mado: yeah, mine was just for an old release |
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| 01:49.51 | iamawesome | How can i search available source package with aptitude or apt-get? |
| 01:49.52 | rjsalts | iamawesome: apt-get source php7 |
| 01:50.11 | iamawesome | E: Unable to find a source package for php7 |
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| 01:50.24 | somiaj | iamawesome: its php7.0 |
| 01:50.28 | iamawesome | I've to search first, what's the command to search? |
| 01:50.36 | iamawesome | Isn't there any search command? |
| 01:50.37 | somiaj | iamawesome: I'm unsure how to search source packages. |
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| 01:51.00 | mado | okay ... so this laptop's wifi-chip manufacturer hasn't shared the source ... good to know |
| 01:51.01 | iamawesome | That's not good. |
| 01:52.04 | mado | and what about the cut off window? ... does this mean i need some non-free driver for the "graphics card" as well? |
| 01:52.45 | mado | somiaj: is there a difference between 7 and 7.0 ? *wondering out loud* |
| 01:52.46 | somiaj | mado: usually the share the source, they just don't share the firmware. Which instead of being on the chip is a file they ship sepertally. |
| 01:52.54 | somiaj | mado: no, just a name in this case |
| 01:53.15 | somiaj | iamawesome: aptitude search ~ephp7 |
| 01:53.52 | somiaj | iamawesome: on wait, that only lists binary packges. one moment |
| 01:54.15 | mado | okaaay ... *still listening / thinking / reading* |
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| 01:54.59 | iamawesome | aptitude build-dep php7.0 = https://bpaste.net/show/dea37108b05b |
| 01:55.09 | iamawesome | Which is not good. It prompts to remove gnome-core |
| 01:55.45 | iamawesome | It wants to remove necessary package too. |
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| 01:56.14 | somiaj | iamawesome: as the bot said eailer there are some build deps which are not available in jessie. You need to backport those first. |
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| 01:56.18 | somiaj | ,checkbackport php7.0 |
| 01:56.23 | judd | Backporting package php7.0 in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtidy-dev (>= 1:5.2.0), libzip-dev (>= 1.0.0). |
| 01:56.51 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: you should write down all of the steps that you take, because you'll need to repeat them for every security update |
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| 01:58.01 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: i also recommend weighing the effort involved against the need for php7. if this is to satisfy curiousity and not for a strong requirement, maybe you shouldn't do it |
| 01:58.16 | iamawesome | somiaj: I've this in source.list= deb http:// .... jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 01:58.17 | TomTomTosch | also might want to upgrade your system first. |
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| 01:59.34 | iamawesome | TomTomTosch: I don't want to upgrade from jessie/stable to testing/unstable |
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| 01:59.50 | TomTomTosch | no, but upgrade to jessie latest. |
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| 02:00.32 | TomTomTosch | because "file : Depends: libmagic1 (= 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u1) but 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u2 is to be installed." should not be. |
| 02:00.43 | mado | brb |
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| 02:02.05 | sikun | anyone have any experience with running Debian on Hyper-V? |
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| 02:03.00 | rjsalts | sikun: not personally, but what's the problem? |
| 02:03.09 | sikun | its very very odd |
| 02:03.23 | TomTomTosch | you also have a bunch of unmet dependencies, so i would probably start down the tree. |
| 02:03.31 | TomTomTosch | ,checkbackport libtidy-dev |
| 02:03.32 | judd | Backporting package libtidy-dev in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 02:03.42 | TomTomTosch | ,checkbackport libzip-dev |
| 02:03.43 | judd | Backporting package libzip-dev in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 02:03.56 | TomTomTosch | iamawesome ^ those |
| 02:04.06 | sikun | so, I've had to reboot the host a couple times in the past few days due to some configuration changes, but with each reboot.. Hyper-V and the Debian VM guest work PERFECTLY at saving it's state, rebooting and then powering back up w/o rebooting the VM itself |
| 02:04.08 | sikun | but |
| 02:04.24 | sikun | the vNICs get "swapped around" |
| 02:04.56 | sikun | the primary NIC which would have been connected to the public vSwitch which was eth0, becomes eth1 |
| 02:04.59 | sikun | and vice versa |
| 02:05.07 | sikun | eth1 is the private vm vSwitch |
| 02:05.33 | sikun | so I have to change which vSwitch each NIC is connected to so I can restore proper connectivity |
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| 02:05.41 | TomTomTosch | ,checkbackport libzip |
| 02:05.42 | judd | Backporting package libzip in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 02:06.03 | TomTomTosch | ,checkbackport tidy |
| 02:06.04 | judd | Backporting package tidy in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 02:06.26 | TomTomTosch | iamawesome: pardon. those are the source packages ^ |
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| 02:06.44 | mado | okay ... i'm back rjsalts, somiaj and TomTomTosch |
| 02:06.46 | mado | http://imgur.com/a/00yib |
| 02:06.48 | rjsalts | sikun: I'd start by checking in /etc/udev/rules.d, see if there is a persistent-net.rules in there |
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| 02:07.17 | sikun | yeah, empty directory |
| 02:07.28 | TomTomTosch | mado just resize the window? |
| 02:07.35 | mado | that doesn't work TomTomTosch |
| 02:07.41 | mado | i've tried it |
| 02:07.51 | TomTomTosch | you can't drag the corner down? |
| 02:07.59 | mado | no i cannot |
| 02:08.11 | TomTomTosch | first undock it by dragging it somewhere, then resize. |
| 02:08.21 | mado | so my guess was either it's a resolution problem or graphics card problem or maybe just something with "konversation" |
| 02:08.31 | TomTomTosch | dunno^^ |
| 02:08.59 | sikun | rjsalts, I assumed with configuring /etc/network/interfaces eth0 & eth1 like normal... would be one a done, but I just find it very odd that eth1 becomes eth0, vice versa on reboots... unless.. it's Hyper-V not bringing the vNICs online in the proper order |
| 02:09.06 | TomTomTosch | looks more like a gtk bug. |
| 02:09.10 | mado | i also thought so because i cannot see anything yet on another monitor i have plugged in, TomTomTosch |
| 02:09.16 | rjsalts | sikun: so it'll be generating the name based on the defaults in /lib/udev/rules.d/ |
| 02:09.44 | mado | hmmm ... okaaay ... if that is so ... who should i report it to? |
| 02:09.49 | rjsalts | sikun: I assume there is something in there that recognizes it as a mac belonging to hyperv |
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| 02:10.17 | rjsalts | sikun: and not to save it in persistent-net rules |
| 02:10.24 | TomTomTosch | !tell mado about reportbug |
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| 02:10.42 | TomTomTosch | mado: you run reportbug and follow the instructions^^ |
| 02:10.53 | sikun | rjsalts, never thought of checking to see what Debian sees the NIC as |
| 02:10.57 | tom99 | when I'm installing a new debian system how do I force it to install everything on the disk? last time I just checked all the boxes and it didn't work |
| 02:11.12 | mado | okaaay : ) |
| 02:11.21 | rjsalts | sikun: do the MAC addresses change? I'd hope not |
| 02:12.04 | dvs | tom99, you can't install everything because packages conflic with each other. |
| 02:12.16 | mado | and how will be able to see anything on my other monitor? |
| 02:12.25 | tom99 | dvs: well then how do I install the maximum amount of packages which don't conflict with each other? |
| 02:12.41 | TomTomTosch | but why? |
| 02:12.44 | dvs | tom99, no idea. I never tried it. |
| 02:12.51 | sikun | rjsalts, once again.. something I haven't checked, but it shouldn't as once a vNIC is created it is assigned a MAC address |
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| 02:13.15 | sikun | rjsalts, shit... |
| 02:13.21 | sikun | and you solved the problem |
| 02:13.33 | sikun | yeah, the MAC's are set to "Dynamic" |
| 02:13.44 | rjsalts | sikun: I think you can definitely craft a udev rule and put it in /etc/udev/rules.d to hardcode that stuff |
| 02:13.56 | tom99 | idk i just got annoyed i didn't have basic things like emacs, kde, Xfce on there when I clicked all the boxes |
| 02:14.14 | sikun | rjsalts, I'm just gonna power down the VM quick, set the MAC to static and hopefully that will fix this issue |
| 02:14.16 | tom99 | I don't like this idea of install everything from online just to do a ls or something simple |
| 02:14.20 | iamawesome | I'm compiling php7 from source by hand, not using debian source. |
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| 02:14.49 | iamawesome | And it's compiling well now. |
| 02:14.50 | TomTomTosch | tom99: it will only install kde and xfce if you have a working internet connection. both will probably not be on a single disk. |
| 02:15.20 | tom99 | TomTomTosch: AAAaaaaaaagggghhhh! |
| 02:15.31 | mado | is there any way to check how much non-free drivers i need, TomTomTosch? |
| 02:15.33 | iamawesome | aptitude build-dep php7.0 check too much dependencies |
| 02:15.47 | tom99 | iamawesome: i tried compiling emacs25 on wheezy, didn't work out so well. apparently I need libcurses or libncurses and i don't have them |
| 02:15.55 | iamawesome | But ./configure didn't stop me to compile it, why? |
| 02:16.03 | TomTomTosch | mado: i don't understand. usually you know for which device you need it. then you search google. |
| 02:16.26 | mado | well ... what if i also need something for the graphics? |
| 02:16.55 | mado | can i check if i need something? ... because i cannot see anything on the other monitor |
| 02:16.57 | TomTomTosch | mado the debian wiki has instructions for that, depending on your graphics card. |
| 02:17.13 | mado | (because i'd rather use free stuff whenever possible) |
| 02:17.30 | TomTomTosch | mado you can also install arandr and check if you can initialise the second monitor. |
| 02:17.36 | dvs | sees a reinstall in iamawesome's future |
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| 02:18.10 | mado | see? ... that's something i wouldn't have known : ) |
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| 02:18.28 | mado | or couldn't have : ) |
| 02:18.48 | iamawesome | dvs: What do you mean by 'reinstall' ? |
| 02:19.01 | TomTomTosch | mado: well, arandr is just a graphical frontend for xrandr. it's for lazy people like me^^ |
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| 02:19.48 | dvs | iamawesome, I mean wiping out all your Debian partitions and starting with the Debian ISO. |
| 02:19.54 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: did you pass a prefix to the configure script? |
| 02:20.05 | tom99 | i'm installing the debian iso-dvd right now in fact. wheeee one hour left |
| 02:20.18 | mado | : ) |
| 02:20.57 | iamawesome | dvs: Why would i reinstall debian jessie again, it's working welll now, i've removed all line from sources.list with sid and jessie-backports, i don't need those |
| 02:21.02 | tom99 | but seriously it does seem like compiling software is more tied to your distro at this point |
| 02:21.04 | mado | i'll check the tool out in a few bits ... i need to finish reading some article first ... thanks so far, TomTomTosch ... i fear though i might need some additional help understanding the current article |
| 02:21.16 | tom99 | if you have wheezy or jessie or it's not up to date you might not be able to download a tarball and install |
| 02:21.27 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: Yes, i've added --prefix=~/seperate_dir |
| 02:21.40 | TomTomTosch | mado: no problem^^ |
| 02:21.57 | iamawesome | I think, my debian jessie is up to date. |
| 02:22.20 | TomTomTosch | it wasn't when you showed us the last paste. |
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| 02:22.41 | themill | tom99: that has always been the case. If a develop wants to use the newest features of a library, you need to have that library available to compile their software. |
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| 02:24.00 | iamawesome | No dependency problem with ./configure --prefix=~/seperate_dir/ , but aptitude build-dep php7.0 has many dependency, why is this? |
| 02:25.06 | tom99 | themill: to be fair emacs25 was just released so that makes sense |
| 02:25.11 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: the Debian package probably enables features that ./configure left disabled for you. And really, you were only missing two dependencies in jessie |
| 02:26.01 | mado | okay ... i'll try and phrase it as best as i can ... http://dpaste.com/2QHXTV7 ... |
| 02:26.27 | mado | https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo ... says The radeon driver in Debian 8 "Jessie" supports R100 to Hawaii (Radeon 7000 - Radeon R9 290) GPUs. See the radeon(4) manual page and the radeon page on the X wiki for more information. |
| 02:26.34 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: still, there's a pretty good change that php7.0 packages would still be very difficult to build and install. The Debian way is to stick with the same version (of everything) for the duration of a stable release |
| 02:26.56 | mado | i have absolutely no idea if there is support now or not : ) |
| 02:27.35 | mado | and one of the pages it links to is missing |
| 02:28.37 | mado | also ... would you know by any chance if it's possible to have some space between those various lines we post in chat? ... it's a little hard to read at times |
| 02:28.51 | ov3rmind | guys lvm is very nice ihad a trouble with grub-lvm but is mi ignorance thanks a lot ! |
| 02:29.14 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: https://bpaste.net/show/dea37108b05b , see this, there were going to remove 12 packages |
| 02:30.39 | TomTomTosch | mado: i'm useless at graphics drivers. that spacing question depends on your irc client. but the preferences is a good place to start looking. |
| 02:30.58 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: the instructions you were given said apt-get, not aptitude |
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| 02:32.04 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: aptitude build-dep php7.0 <<--- I was given this command by dpkg |
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| 02:34.27 | mado | can you recommend an easy to use one that has some spacing, TomTomTosch ... incl. the ability to log stuff (because i cannot write down notes all the time about stuff i learn) ... that's also free and still in development? |
| 02:34.31 | tom99 | lol... this wheezy image I'm installing didn't even ask me about packages. |
| 02:34.33 | tom99 | it's just installing them |
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| 02:35.05 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: oh yeah, the ssb factoid does say that. you still could have tried apt-get. anyways, think hard about serving a public website with your manually compiled php7 |
| 02:35.22 | mado | and does anyone else of you know how to proceed with the graphics driver? (and if i need it) ? |
| 02:35.50 | iamawesome | mode/#debian [-bo *!*@securitykiss4.kylos.net.pl eir] by eir , what did it do here? |
| 02:36.10 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: that's a bot removing a temporary ban, nothing to worry about |
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| 02:36.42 | jmcnaught | mado: try using the default open source drivers before considering proprietary ones |
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| 02:37.10 | tom99 | the proprietary graphics drivers are useless on virtual machine installations of debian jessie right? |
| 02:37.15 | mado | jmcnaught: certainly ... i'm trying to find them right now : ) |
| 02:39.18 | mado | as in ... the right one, jmcnaught |
| 02:39.23 | TomTomTosch | mado: nope, sry. i'm using a text-mode irc client. |
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| 02:40.20 | mado | that's a nice thing too, TomTomTosch : ) |
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| 02:40.35 | mado | or did you mean i should just install "xserver-xorg-video-ati", jmcnaught? |
| 02:40.57 | jmcnaught | mado: do you not already have a GUI? |
| 02:41.28 | jmcnaught | mado: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo has info on the open source drivers for ATI/AMD hardware |
| 02:41.38 | mado | that's the page i'm on right now, jmcnaught |
| 02:41.51 | mado | and it e.g. says -> The radeon driver in Debian 8 "Jessie" supports R100 to Hawaii (Radeon 7000 - Radeon R9 290) GPUs. See the radeon(4) manual page and the radeon page on the X wiki for more information. |
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| 02:42.05 | mado | and also -> Support for AMD (nee ATI) graphics hardware is provided by the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver wrapper package, which depends on three hardware-specific driver packages: |
| 02:42.31 | mado | maybe i cannot add two and two together right now but i'm not sure what to install, if my device is getting supported, etc : ) |
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| 02:42.59 | mado | and about the firmware package it says |
| 02:43.00 | mado | Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the radeon driver is commonly experienced. Some GPUs may require firmware to operate the X Window System. |
| 02:43.05 | jmcnaught | mado: if you are in Debian using a gui, the drivers are already installed. you might need a firmware package |
| 02:43.10 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: Build complete, i didn't face any problem PHP 7.0.11 (cli) |
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| 02:43.41 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: Just , ./configure --prefix=~/dirname; make -j2; make install |
| 02:43.45 | mado | so you're telling me that i may be needing something non-free? |
| 02:44.40 | dvs | mado, firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 02:44.43 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: are you going to remember to do this every time there is a security update? |
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| 02:46.54 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: Security update for php7 ? |
| 02:47.18 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: they are known to happen |
| 02:47.42 | ov3rmind | â systemd-backlight@backlight:acpi_video0.service loaded failed failed Load/Save Scre |
| 02:47.58 | ov3rmind | no device class on /sys/class/backlight/ |
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| 02:48.47 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: I don't need security update for php7. |
| 02:49.13 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: ever? |
| 02:49.38 | dvs | Yes, because it's secure like openssh... oh wait. |
| 02:49.39 | iamawesome | How can i make ~/php-7.0.11/php-build/bin/php default ? I've /usr/bin/php default, i've added ~/php-7.0.11/php-build/bin/php in .bashrc |
| 02:50.07 | TomTomTosch | why would you add it to bashrc? |
| 02:50.13 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: I think, php7 security update is not that necessary , if php8 is released then i will install that |
| 02:50.42 | iamawesome | whereis php = php: /usr/bin/php ~/php-7.0.11/php-build/bin/php /usr/share/man/man1/php.1.gz |
| 02:50.42 | TomTomTosch | i guess you can set the symlink from /usr/bin/php to your binary. |
| 02:50.55 | iamawesome | Both php exist |
| 02:51.08 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: is this for a public website? |
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| 02:51.42 | iamawesome | If i symlink, it will vanish the system php. |
| 02:51.45 | iamawesome | TomTomTosch: ^ |
| 02:51.54 | TomTomTosch | vanish? |
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| 02:52.09 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: Yes, php7 can be used to develop public website. |
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| 02:52.20 | tom99 | debian iso graphical install screen doesn't let you choose sub categories of things to install or individual packages? |
| 02:52.32 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: i'm asking about how you are using it. i know what php is |
| 02:52.36 | tom99 | I'm at the screen and it says Debian Desktop Environment, Web Server, Print Server, etc |
| 02:52.49 | tom99 | I can't right click or do anything to select individual packages? |
| 02:53.05 | TomTomTosch | tom99: it's just a convenience thing. install manually if it doesn't cover your needs. |
| 02:53.37 | dvs | tom99, I wouldn't do that during the install. I'd install the packages I want after the installer is finished. |
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| 02:53.40 | tom99 | manually? |
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| 02:53.54 | dvs | yeah |
| 02:53.56 | TomTomTosch | yes, using the package manager of your choice. |
| 02:54.01 | tom99 | oh you mean with apt-get |
| 02:54.10 | TomTomTosch | yes |
| 02:54.13 | tom99 | i thought you meant automating debian installs on multiple desktops |
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| 02:54.19 | tom99 | which is still something I want to know how to do |
| 02:54.34 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: Websites built in php are in /var/www/html/ |
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| 02:54.45 | iamawesome | http://localhost/mysite |
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| 02:55.00 | TomTomTosch | tom99: then you would need to read documentation on preseeding. |
| 02:55.01 | mado | http://dpaste.com/1CAW1W7 ... TomTomTosch, dvs and jmcnaught |
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| 02:55.33 | mado | what have i done wrong this time? ... i thought i would have to add this non-free line to my sources.list ? |
| 02:55.42 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: i'm trying to tell you not to use this manually compiled php7.0 for a website that will be accessible by the public unless you're going to take the security seriously. http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-7.php for example lists lots of security fixes, there will be more |
| 02:55.44 | TomTomTosch | mado: you have jessie main twice. |
| 02:55.54 | tom99 | well now i'm stuck |
| 02:56.00 | tom99 | the select and install software step is not succeeding |
| 02:56.12 | tom99 | no matter whether I go back and check or uncheck various things |
| 02:56.32 | dvs | mado, it's not a line by itself. If you already have a jessie main line, add it to the end of that. |
| 02:56.42 | TomTomTosch | whats it saying? |
| 02:57.22 | mado | i'm not sure what i understand what you're saying ... what exactly do i have to change? |
| 02:57.33 | mado | how shall it look like instead? |
| 02:57.50 | tom99 | ok I fixed by unchecking "Debian Desktop Environment" |
| 02:57.58 | tom99 | so will I not have a gui when it installs? |
| 02:58.03 | TomTomTosch | mado: you have "jessie main" and "jessie main contrib non-free" it's redundant. |
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| 02:58.44 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: Doesn't php5 have bugs? |
| 02:58.51 | iamawesome | Or security problems? |
| 02:59.04 | dvs | tom99, that's correct but you can install it once the installer is done. |
| 02:59.20 | tom99 | erm ok. seems like a bug in the installer to me but whatever |
| 02:59.44 | TomTomTosch | you are probably just not connected. |
| 02:59.45 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: it does, and those are fixed by updates in the package manager. This will not happen for your php7.0 directory, you will have to do the updates yourself |
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| 03:00.39 | mado | so you want me to change it to -> http://dpaste.com/0TQ3VGC <- then? |
| 03:00.42 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: Ok, if php7.5 is released with security fixes, then i will reinstall that with the same process, |
| 03:00.47 | mado | the last line? TomTomTosch |
| 03:01.18 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: Will that solve the problem? Is it all about installing php every 6 months or so? |
| 03:01.47 | dvs | mado, no, you erase that line and add "contrib non-free" to the line that already has "jessie main" |
| 03:01.47 | TomTomTosch | mado: no, "jessie main contrib non-free" covers "jessie main" remove one of them. |
| 03:02.03 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: or if php 7.0.12 is released, or 7.1.0. You'll need to pay attention to security news for php and apply updates as needed, or risk having your php sites get exploited |
| 03:02.18 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: if you use the packages provided by Debian, this is done for you by the Debian security team |
| 03:02.45 | mado | thank you, dvs and TomTomTosch |
| 03:03.28 | iamawesome | jmcnaught: But the website will be hosted on a server at the end, i don't have to be worried about php in that hosting server, it's their concern. |
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| 03:04.28 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: so the answer to my question was no, this system is not hosting a publicly accessible web site, it's your developer computer |
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| 03:06.19 | iamawesome | It's my local computer here. |
| 03:06.24 | saboru | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.29 | awal1 | tom99, "debian desktop environment" means: debian xfce, kde, gnome...it needs a sub category. so if you want , say gnome, select debian desktop environent + gnome |
| 03:06.31 | mado | dvs: ? -> http://dpaste.com/1G7MKF4 |
| 03:06.33 | iamawesome | But this website can be uploaded to a hosting server. |
| 03:06.37 | saboru | still sleepin it seems. |
| 03:06.42 | iamawesome | in future. |
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| 03:06.58 | mado | that sounds bad or have i done something wrong dvs? |
| 03:07.33 | dvs | mado, no, you're just missing a package: firmware-realtek |
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| 03:08.17 | tom99 | awal1: well I asked her how to do that but nobody had any idea |
| 03:08.25 | tom99 | I tried right clicking, middle clicking, enter key, arrow, nothing |
| 03:08.38 | tom99 | just same menu "Debian Desktop Environment", "Web Server", "Print Server", ... |
| 03:08.48 | TomTomTosch | dde selects gnome if nothing else is selected. |
| 03:08.52 | tom99 | obv i shouldn't have clicked anything at all |
| 03:09.09 | awal1 | tom99, graphical mode or text? |
| 03:09.16 | jmcnaught | gnome is pretty sweet though |
| 03:09.26 | dvs | bah |
| 03:09.31 | TomTomTosch | they all look the same^^ |
| 03:09.41 | awal1 | graphical = left mouse clic so; if text space bar |
| 03:09.55 | mado | what about my graphics card (the amd ati hd 4200) dvs? |
| 03:10.04 | awal1 | for select ; tab vor navigate ^ |
| 03:10.09 | dvs | mado, firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 03:10.11 | mado | so you want me to -> apt-get install firmware-realtek ? |
| 03:10.23 | mado | i just installed that dvs |
| 03:10.25 | mado | firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 03:10.31 | mado | says so on the first line |
| 03:10.33 | dvs | then reboot |
| 03:10.42 | tom99 | awal1: graphical mode |
| 03:10.51 | tom99 | well this isn't doing very good. I rebooted without the cd |
| 03:11.06 | tom99 | it says error: file not found |
| 03:11.12 | tom99 | entering rescue mode... |
| 03:11.19 | tom99 | grub_rescue> |
| 03:11.30 | TomTomTosch | finished your installation? |
| 03:11.33 | awal1 | who says that? |
| 03:11.39 | mado | alright then ... see you all in a few : ) |
| 03:11.42 | tom99 | awal1: i don't know, it says Welcome to Grub! |
| 03:11.48 | tom99 | then error: file not found |
| 03:11.56 | awal1 | I guess you installation hasn't completed :P |
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| 03:12.27 | tom99 | lol |
| 03:12.33 | tom99 | well i don't know what to do now |
| 03:12.46 | TomTomTosch | boot from the installation media again. |
| 03:13.13 | tom99 | ok it gives me the splash screen |
| 03:13.30 | tom99 | Install, Graphical Install, Advanced Options, Help, Install with Speech Synthesis |
| 03:14.16 | awal1 | if your machine is a bit old, use text mode |
| 03:14.32 | tom99 | so i should try to install over the old install? |
| 03:14.56 | tom99 | this is a virtual machine in virtualbox though. so i don't think those are issues |
| 03:15.22 | TomTomTosch | it's not. |
| 03:15.28 | awal1 | follow the installer |
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| 03:16.09 | awal1 | deban installer is the most easiest around there; it's like next+next+next in win$ |
| 03:16.21 | awal1 | most easier ^ |
| 03:16.31 | tom99 | alright awal1, executing... |
| 03:17.43 | tom99 | i have to say this is faster |
| 03:17.52 | tom99 | i can just type enter key and tab key instead of clicking with mouse |
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| 03:18.11 | Elronnd | I started dualbooting windows a while ago |
| 03:18.17 | Elronnd | now I've decided I don't want it anymore |
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| 03:18.36 | Elronnd | how can I delete windows' partitions and give that space to my debian installation? |
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| 03:19.52 | tom99 | Elronnd: google for tutorials on gparted |
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| 03:20.32 | Elronnd | tl;dr delete sda1 and 2, increase my main partition by however much I removed? |
| 03:20.33 | tom99 | awal1: package selection screen about 5 minutes away |
| 03:20.42 | mado | TomTomTosch, dvs, jmcnaught, ... i'm back ... and it looks like i can now see stuff on my monitor : ) |
| 03:21.06 | Elronnd | (I just started up windows in a VM as a replacement, and it's taking up a bit too many system resources to open up a proper web browser) |
| 03:21.09 | dvs | using a monitor to see stuff is good! |
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| 03:21.24 | mado | and arandr helps me position it, TomTomTosch ... thanks : ) |
| 03:21.27 | Elronnd | although the alternative can also be good, at times |
| 03:21.38 | mado | *chuckle* ... yeah dvs : ) |
| 03:21.52 | TomTomTosch | Elronnd: dependung on the filesystem you might not be able to do that in the runnung system. |
| 03:22.10 | Elronnd | TomTomTosch: how else would I do it? |
| 03:22.11 | mado | now i need to find out what else i need to install, etc ... the wifi doesn't work yet but that's not such a big thing |
| 03:22.48 | mado | codecs ... to be able to listen and watch lessons |
| 03:23.12 | mado | that's one thing ... apart from that ... hmmm ... i don't know yet ... i have to think of things : ) |
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| 03:23.30 | TomTomTosch | Elronnd: nvm what i said, i mixed a thing up^^ |
| 03:23.37 | mado | and oh yeah ... i'll try and find out how to get some spacing between our lines |
| 03:23.38 | Elronnd | k |
| 03:24.28 | awal1 | Elronnd: Easiest way: use gparted and delete the windows paritions. override grub (grub-install /dev/somewhere + update-grub). format that free space as (?) then mount it at boot time editing fstab |
| 03:25.10 | Elronnd | awal1: wouldn't that create two seperate "main" partitions, though? |
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| 03:26.27 | awal1 | well, if you remove 2 windows partitions, then they became as non used space/free space |
| 03:26.56 | Elronnd | yes |
| 03:27.03 | Elronnd | can't I think expand my partition? |
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| 03:27.57 | Elronnd | s/think/then/g |
| 03:28.02 | TomTomTosch | yes. but it's easier using a live cd and you should backup your data first. |
| 03:28.29 | tom99 | ok i'm about to get to the select software screen |
| 03:28.34 | tom99 | should i just click ok and not change anything? |
| 03:28.38 | awal1 | using that space for increase existing deb partitions is a bit complicated; it matters if the non used space is at the beginning or at the end of the drive |
| 03:29.54 | dvs | tom99, Yes, that's what I would do. |
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| 03:31.05 | awal1 | Elronnd, possibly the easiest way if format that free space as fat32 and mount it everytimr you need it or auto mount it a boot time via fstab |
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| 03:31.56 | awal1 | it's just an opinion ^ |
| 03:33.55 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: if you used LVM than you can grow the logical volumes with the space freed up by removing windows |
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| 03:41.00 | DeaDSouL_ | hi, how can I install 'bcwipe' package? |
| 03:42.13 | TomTomTosch | there is no package. it's a thing you have to buy. |
| 03:44.37 | TomTomTosch | tehehe "Use military-grade procedures" |
| 03:44.42 | DeaDSouL_ | TomTomTosch: but it's available on freebsd, mageia |
| 03:44.49 | tom99 | amal1: it still failed without me selecting anything |
| 03:45.01 | tom99 | i checked the first 4 digits of the md5sum for my cd image, should I check again? |
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| 03:45.10 | TomTomTosch | DeaDSouL_: all i can find is a commercial tool. can you provide a link? |
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| 03:46.08 | mado | TomTomTosch: and dvs? -> https://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs -> says ::: In summary, when you install a media player available from Debian, many different codecs the media player supports will be automatically installed. |
| 03:46.25 | DeaDSouL_ | TomTomTosch: sorry, I meant on FreeBSD and MacOSX via 'macports' |
| 03:46.34 | mado | that sounds like a sweet deal : ) |
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| 03:46.51 | DeaDSouL_ | TomTomTosch: http://www.manualpages.de/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-ports-9.0-RELEASE/man1/bcwipe.1.html |
| 03:47.00 | DeaDSouL_ | TomTomTosch: http://www.jetico.com/linux/bcwipe-help/ |
| 03:47.31 | DeaDSouL_ | TomTomTosch: https://www.macports.org/ports.php?by=name&substr=wipe |
| 03:48.26 | jmcnaught | i'm not a lawyer, but this license doesn't look DFSG compliant: http://www.jetico.com/linux/bcwipe-help/wu_licen.htm |
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| 03:49.40 | TomTomTosch | DeaDSouL_: the help site you liked has build instructions and a link to the linux tar.gz try that. but yeah. looks commercial to me. |
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| 03:50.15 | TomTomTosch | mado: yeah, gstreamer is pretty amazing and covered all my codec needs so far. |
| 03:50.25 | tom99 | double checked the md5sum so the image is valid |
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| 03:50.42 | DeaDSouL_ | TomTomTosch: well, is the `wipe` a different package than `bcwipe` |
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| 03:50.56 | mado | i haven't used that one yet, TomTomTosch : ) |
| 03:51.14 | mado | on Windows computers i was happy when i could use vlc :) |
| 03:51.26 | TomTomTosch | mado: no, it's the multimedia framework most things use^^ |
| 03:51.34 | TomTomTosch | it's a lib. |
| 03:51.39 | mado | uh! ... okay ... |
| 03:51.56 | mado | i can't seem to install it via -> apt-get install <- though |
| 03:52.05 | mado | it says "unable to locate" |
| 03:52.13 | mado | have i written it wrong? |
| 03:52.17 | mado | gstreamer |
| 03:52.18 | TomTomTosch | DeaDSouL_: i'm not familiar with that tool. but i would advise finding a free alternative. |
| 03:52.22 | mado | like you i typed it |
| 03:52.26 | awal1 | tom99, are you trying to install jessie? so jessie installer 8.6? |
| 03:52.37 | tom99 | alright I once again de-selected the destop environment selection box. no it's wheezy on a vm awal1 |
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| 03:52.48 | tom99 | if this doesn't work i'll just install jessie instead |
| 03:53.02 | mado | why not go straight to Jessie if i may ask, tom99? |
| 03:53.09 | TomTomTosch | mado: you don't need to install it, if a program needs it it will be pulled as dependency. clementine music player is an example. |
| 03:53.39 | mado | clementine ... nice ... i remember that one too : ) ... i haven't used it yet though |
| 03:54.07 | TomTomTosch | the version in debian has the kittens removed though, for legal reasons >:( |
| 03:54.10 | tom99 | mado: i think i have some software like emacs or something that version used on wheezy |
| 03:54.32 | DeaDSouL_ | TomTomTosch: thanks man |
| 03:54.42 | mado | what kittens, TomTomTosch? |
| 03:55.01 | mado | tom99: so an update wouldn't be good for you then? |
| 03:55.17 | TomTomTosch | it's a silly extra thing clementine has^^ |
| 03:56.07 | mado | okay ... tell me more :D |
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| 03:56.46 | mado | because i don't completely understand why something like a kitten would have to get removed |
| 03:56.51 | TomTomTosch | there is a clementine build for jessie on their website with everything enabled. |
| 03:57.20 | TomTomTosch | probably because the license of the pictures was not compatible with DFSG |
| 03:57.56 | mado | so it was just pictures of kittens? |
| 03:58.00 | TomTomTosch | yes |
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| 03:59.20 | mado | sooo ... the pictures in the program serve no other purpose than just being there? ... something silly like ... i dunno ... as if LibreOffice had a picture of a crocodile somewhere in the menu? |
| 03:59.25 | awal1 | tom99, why wheezy? |
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| 04:00.25 | mado | it's weird ... but interesting |
| 04:01.19 | mado | well ... to have the feature included in a free environment ... |
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| 04:01.19 | mado | i'd suggest maybe some can then take pictures of their kittens ; ) |
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| 04:02.48 | tom99 | awal1: what I said to mado |
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| 04:03.02 | tom99 | it's not big deal, i'll just try this last time and see if I can install a graphical environment |
| 04:03.02 | mado | maybe awal1 didn't completely understand tom99? |
| 04:03.24 | tom99 | awal: i had some software i was building on wheezy before. |
| 04:03.34 | tom99 | don't want to mess around with getting it to work on jessie unless i have to |
| 04:03.44 | mado | hmmm ... what else do you think would be good to install? ... i'm currently running through the stuff i have / had used on Windows |
| 04:03.57 | awal1 | tomm99, i tought you was planing to run sid :P |
| 04:04.39 | mado | also guys ... i have to say i'm surprised how fast some websites open |
| 04:05.51 | tom99 | awal: i figure i sh ould run all so i have most flexibility |
| 04:05.58 | TomTomTosch | mado: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=659412#10 ^^ |
| 04:05.59 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/659412 in clementine (open, wontfix): «[clementine] missing kittens and toad»; severity: minor; opened: 2012-02-10; last modified: 2012-02-27. |
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| 04:07.21 | mado | now that's weird ... |
| 04:08.04 | mado | does this mean then that someone who took those pictures of the kittens won't allow free systems to see them? |
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| 04:08.23 | mado | if that's so i would suggest those of you who have cats to maybe take pictures of them and then share with the world : ) |
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| 04:08.34 | TomTomTosch | it means that the photos have a license that restrict sharing. |
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| 04:09.28 | mado | also ... i just stumbled upon a few more things i'd like to use in Debian too ... |
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| 04:09.40 | mado | i downloaded them but i don't know yet for sure if i can install them too |
| 04:10.02 | mado | one is a deb-file ... i read that i should install it with gdebi ... |
| 04:10.09 | mado | another one is an sh-file? |
| 04:10.16 | TomTomTosch | usually you should check the package manager first^^ |
| 04:10.21 | mado | i did : ) |
| 04:10.25 | mado | it's not there (yet) |
| 04:10.33 | TomTomTosch | sh file is a script. usually dash or bash. |
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| 04:11.36 | mado | sooo ... the sh-file is not some installer? |
| 04:11.59 | TomTomTosch | you tell me. could be anything. |
| 04:12.17 | mado | let me show you : ) -> http://jdownloader.org/ |
| 04:12.40 | mado | i like this tool because it helped me download some lessons for instance |
| 04:12.57 | mado | and when you click ion the |
| 04:13.09 | mado | on the Linux link ... it says it's an installer |
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| 04:15.28 | mado | also weird ... gdebi ... is already installed but when i look for it it's not there |
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| 04:16.05 | mado | ha! ... i just looked for it again and NOW it's there? how weird is that :) |
| 04:16.10 | TomTomTosch | heh, they packed their binary blob in the dash script ^^ |
| 04:16.18 | TomTomTosch | 50MB sh file^^ |
| 04:16.29 | mado | is that bad? good? |
| 04:16.30 | TomTomTosch | dunno, i wouldn't bother with that. |
| 04:16.44 | mado | what shall i do then to get "jdownloader" ? |
| 04:16.51 | mado | or better said jdownloader version 2? |
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| 04:17.18 | mado | and gdebi just presented me an error |
| 04:17.32 | mado | dependency is not satisfiable |
| 04:17.33 | TomTomTosch | i mean you can use that if you trust the source and need it. |
| 04:17.52 | TomTomTosch | but i wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. |
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| 04:18.17 | mado | why is that? |
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| 04:18.23 | mado | it says on the website -> JDownloader is a free, open-source download management tool with a huge community of developers that makes downloading as easy and fast as it should be. Users can start, stop or pause downloads, set bandwith limitations, auto-extract archives and much more. It's an easy-to-extend framework that can save hours of your valuable time every day! |
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| 04:18.32 | TomTomTosch | you don't really know what it does to your system and i'm too lazy to read the script. |
| 04:18.32 | mado | so i thought it would be free and safe : ) |
| 04:18.57 | mado | as you can see i'm likely still quite naive : ) |
| 04:19.12 | mado | and what should i do then about this deb-file? |
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| 04:20.29 | mado | if i can read the script ... i'll try and understand it :) |
| 04:20.45 | MorrisIVA | IVA |
| 04:20.50 | TomTomTosch | look, they also provide a jar. i would simply use that and not their weird installer script. |
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| 04:21.43 | TomTomTosch | mado: what deb? |
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| 04:22.02 | mado | there's a jar? ... i haven |
| 04:22.05 | mado | 't seen that |
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| 04:22.16 | jmcnaught | mado: uget and kget are a couple of download managers available in Debian |
| 04:22.21 | MorrisIVA | 2% of the people believe the old media right now. It's just amazing how quickly the old media is dying because they just can't be trusted. That's one thing about this monopoly they've created: is that everyone's seeing through it, recognizing it as propaganda. |
| 04:22.41 | TomTomTosch | !ops spam |
| 04:22.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomtosch complains about: spam |
| 04:22.45 | mado | that reminds me of "wget", jmcnaught : ) |
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| 04:23.14 | mado | you mean the file in "other", TomTomTosch? |
| 04:23.19 | pingfloyd | on https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo they mention using Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" in xorg.conf, but man 4 radeon (in debian doesn't list XAA support). Though this does https://www.x.org/archive/X11R7.6/doc/man/man4/radeon.4.xhtml. So I'm confused if the version of radeon driver in Debian support XAA acceleration or not. |
| 04:23.29 | mado | uget and kget ... i'll check this out too : ) |
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| 04:23.45 | TomTomTosch | mado: yeah. but finding something already packaged is a better idea^^ |
| 04:23.54 | jmcnaught | mado: there are probably more if you search around in apt a bit |
| 04:24.05 | TomTomTosch | mado: running weird installer scripts is usually a bad idea. |
| 04:24.27 | mado | well i'm glad i talked to you first then ... how would i know it's weird? :) |
| 04:24.37 | mado | i'm new to all of this |
| 04:24.56 | mado | and the deb-file i meant ... is the one from the vlc website |
| 04:25.02 | TomTomTosch | or just any installer script from a third party source. |
| 04:25.09 | mado | libdvdcss2 ... so one can watch dvds |
| 04:25.26 | TomTomTosch | vlc is packaged for debian. |
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| 04:25.54 | mado | well ... i didn't consider it a "third party" ... i thought since they say free and open source on the website and they write the stuff ... it's more trustworthy : ) |
| 04:26.03 | mado | vlc is ... libdvdcss2 isn't |
| 04:26.18 | tom99 | well this time it worked. |
| 04:26.19 | tom99 | lol |
| 04:26.24 | tom99 | debian sy stem starting up |
| 04:26.26 | jmcnaught | mado: third party in this context means "not made by you or Debian" |
| 04:26.30 | mado | Congratulations then, tom99 :) |
| 04:26.31 | tom99 | now the question is, how do I install gnome or kde from apt-get? |
| 04:26.35 | tom99 | apt-get install kde? |
| 04:26.43 | mado | uh! ... i see ... thanks jmcnaught |
| 04:26.54 | mado | how else, tom99? |
| 04:26.54 | tom99 | lol mado I just had to use the text install mode instead of the graphical install mode.... T_T |
| 04:27.03 | mado | i thought we were asked to use that |
| 04:27.15 | awal1 | gnome is gnome |
| 04:27.25 | TomTomTosch | tom99: task-[gnome|kde|xfce|...]-desktop are the same metapackages the installer would select. |
| 04:27.32 | mado | i didn't install Debian the graphical way either ... but i could select "gnome" in it |
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| 04:27.38 | awal1 | kde: kde-standard kde-full |
| 04:28.13 | awal1 | task-gnome-desktop, tas-kde-... |
| 04:28.27 | mado | joke: gnome is gnome you say awal1? ... i bet you also say a chair is a chair ; ) ... just kidding - not meant rude or offensive ... i still don't know why someone would say a chair isn't a chair but i thought the sentence sounded funny ; ) |
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| 04:29.04 | tom99 | TomTomTosch, thanks I don't know how to install the metapackages |
| 04:29.30 | TomTomTosch | tom99: apt-get install task-kde-desktop |
| 04:29.39 | awal1 | mado, peole familiar with debian understood what i meant |
| 04:29.57 | awal1 | people |
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| 04:30.35 | tom99 | hmm weirdly enough with just the cd and the security updates apt-get install task-kde-desktop WORKS, but apt-get install task-gnome-desktop does NOT |
| 04:30.48 | tom99 | it says it depends on task-desktop but that is not going to be installed |
| 04:30.49 | mado | yeah ... i hope you weren't offended by my sentence, awal1 |
| 04:30.56 | awal1 | no |
| 04:30.58 | TomTomTosch | tom99: don't mess around with your sources, fix them D: |
| 04:31.52 | mado | okay - thank you, awal1 : ) |
| 04:32.20 | mado | sooo ... what should i do now with the deb-file since i cannot use it (yet) ? |
| 04:32.31 | tom99 | well i fixed the sources |
| 04:32.47 | tom99 | but now it won't even recognize after apt-get update the command apt-get install task-gnome-desktop |
| 04:33.12 | mado | since gdebi says -> dependency is not satisfiable <- |
| 04:33.12 | TomTomTosch | then you didn't fix them correctly^^ |
| 04:33.24 | TomTomTosch | tom99: you can pastebin them if you want. |
| 04:33.32 | tom99 | hmm, I added sources ftp.us.debian.org changed from the default ftp.debian.org and commented out the cdrom |
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| 04:33.56 | tom99 | Unable to locate package pastebinit |
| 04:34.01 | TomTomTosch | tom99: you have all three lines? |
| 04:34.12 | TomTomTosch | !tell tom99 about jessie sources.list |
| 04:34.25 | tom99 | is pastebinit a jessie only package? |
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| 04:34.47 | TomTomTosch | no |
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| 04:35.38 | TomTomTosch | written by an ubuntu dev me thinks. |
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| 04:38.07 | mado | what is TomTomTosch? |
| 04:38.28 | TomTomTosch | !pastebinit |
| 04:38.28 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 04:38.32 | TomTomTosch | ^ this |
| 04:38.42 | tom99 | well i have tasksel but i can't install pastebinit for some reason |
| 04:38.52 | tom99 | is ftp.us.debian.org not a real repository? |
| 04:39.11 | mado | *still a little confused but okay* : ) |
| 04:39.31 | tom99 | anyway i guess i can just type the lines out manually |
| 04:39.39 | TomTomTosch | tom99: it is. compare to the instructions sent by the bot. |
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| 04:40.19 | tom99 | deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main contrib |
| 04:40.29 | tom99 | deb-src http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main contrib |
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| 04:40.55 | tom99 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-updates main contrib |
| 04:41.02 | tom99 | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-updates main contrib |
| 04:41.12 | tom99 | those are all the lines |
| 04:41.15 | tom99 | i commented out the cdrom one |
| 04:41.26 | TomTomTosch | you are missing the main repo. |
| 04:41.35 | tom99 | isn't that ftp/us.debian.org? |
| 04:41.43 | TomTomTosch | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib |
| 04:42.07 | tom99 | wheezy-updates main contrib is not the same as that? |
| 04:42.10 | mado | why not use "dpaste" ? |
| 04:42.14 | TomTomTosch | tom99: no |
| 04:42.19 | tom99 | mado: i don't know what dpaste is yet |
| 04:42.42 | mado | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.56 | TomTomTosch | mado: pastebinit is compatible with many sites. it's a commandline tool to pipe stuff into and get a url back. |
| 04:43.15 | tom99 | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib |
| 04:43.20 | tom99 | Is that correct? |
| 04:43.31 | TomTomTosch | tom99: the deb-src lines are not relevant. |
| 04:43.31 | tom99 | er deb and deb source i mean |
| 04:43.46 | TomTomTosch | yes, just like i typed out above. |
| 04:43.51 | mado | hmmm ... okaaay ... maybe i should learn how to use that too some time : ) ... but help out tom99 first ... i'll keep on checking out some other things i can hopefully solve myself first ... |
| 04:44.08 | mado | also i need to prepare some soup in a few minutes : ) |
| 04:44.29 | tom99 | By the way I think the reason my /et/apt/sources.list is incorrect is that I don't select a "network mirror" in the installation menu |
| 04:44.35 | tom99 | i'll try that on jessie later and see if it avoids this |
| 04:45.04 | TomTomTosch | the installer sometimes mangles the sources.list. not sure why. |
| 04:45.20 | TomTomTosch | tom99: but it should be fixed not. |
| 04:45.23 | TomTomTosch | * now |
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| 04:45.36 | tom99 | TomTomTosch, it makes selecting a network mirror sound like an optional step, when it appears it isn't. |
| 04:45.52 | tom99 | what is wheezy-updates anyway? |
| 04:46.00 | tom99 | aren't wheezy/updates already the same thing? |
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| 04:47.08 | TomTomTosch | one was handled by the security team and the other are mostly usability fixes that get merged in the next point release. |
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| 04:47.39 | tom99 | TomTomTosch, you're correct adding those lines did fix it |
| 04:47.47 | TomTomTosch | ^^ |
| 04:47.56 | tom99 | although this is still far from optimal. One shouldn't have to download approximately 2 GB of files just to get a GUI environment. |
| 04:48.04 | tom99 | but at least we recovered as much as possible |
| 04:48.37 | tom99 | and learned a little something about how buggy the installer can be |
| 04:49.33 | tom99 | how much data do you estimate downloading from jessie/updates would take? |
| 04:49.39 | TomTomTosch | not sure if bug or feature^^ |
| 04:49.42 | tom99 | if I were to install jessie 8.0.0 and then do an apt-get upgrade |
| 04:49.51 | awal1 | your installer is buggy or debian installer :P |
| 04:49.52 | mado | why not get 8.6 right away? |
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| 04:50.42 | mado | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.01 | awal1 | tom99, debian stable installers are usually free of important bugs |
| 04:51.02 | tom99 | mado: just a hypothetical, I have jessie 8.5 already here somewhere |
| 04:51.11 | TomTomTosch | mado: i don't know what file that is. |
| 04:51.25 | mado | libdvdcss2 ... TomTomTosch |
| 04:51.30 | tom99 | awal1: "usually" meaning most of the time.... except now |
| 04:51.42 | tom99 | fwiw i googled and people had a similar problem with debian 7.1 wheezy |
| 04:51.52 | tom99 | so whatever it was stayed around for awhile |
| 04:51.54 | awal1 | wheezy, is old stable, obsolete yet |
| 04:51.58 | TomTomTosch | mado: link would be nice. |
| 04:52.24 | tom99 | awal1: i'm suggesting the installer for jessie may well do the same thing if a bug like that stuck around that long from 7.0 to 7.1 |
| 04:52.48 | TomTomTosch | where the hell did you get a 7.1 image? |
| 04:53.05 | awal1 | i have used wheezy installer several times and never had issues |
| 04:53.43 | tom99 | TomTomTosch: Jigdo can assemble any debian image you want it to. I got it working on windows after figuring out you have to Extract All to a Folder |
| 04:54.03 | tom99 | extracting here makes it hard to find the jigdo-lite.bat file which runs everything |
| 04:54.51 | mado | -> http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ <- ... took a bit longer because my computer didn't respond right away |
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| 04:56.36 | TomTomTosch | they say stable but it's from 2013 ^^ |
| 04:56.49 | TomTomTosch | that's why that nomenclature is stupid. |
| 04:57.07 | mado | well ... it's not my fault : ) ... also ... if you please excuse me for a few bits ... i'll need to check on my parents |
| 04:57.16 | mado | i need |
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| 04:58.06 | TomTomTosch | well, the usual procedure to install mystery debs is dpkg -i <deb>; apt-get -f install; |
| 04:58.35 | TomTomTosch | the latter if it complains, which it most likely will. |
| 04:58.53 | TomTomTosch | and then hope it works^^ |
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| 04:59.23 | TomTomTosch | nut sure what that thingy is meant to do, though. |
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| 05:00.50 | TomTomTosch | oh, fof going around drm^^ |
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| 05:02.34 | tom99 | by the way in case there are noobs who don't get this stuff |
| 05:02.49 | tom99 | running a command like `apt-get install task-gnome-desktop' doesn't just pull in gnome |
| 05:02.55 | tom99 | it's downloading libreoffice and tons of stuff |
| 05:03.04 | tom99 | so it's not the barebones GUI |
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| 05:03.13 | tom99 | (I am noob!) |
| 05:03.28 | TomTomTosch | it's the whole desktop environment. |
| 05:04.20 | TomTomTosch | if you install the package <gnome> libreoffice gets pulled too. gnome is not a window manager. |
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| 05:05.45 | tom99 | can you install gdm separately? |
| 05:05.51 | TomTomTosch | yes |
| 05:05.51 | tom99 | also is tasksel different from apt? |
| 05:06.14 | tom99 | would installing gdm only give you something like the taskbar in windows so you can open a command window ? |
| 05:06.30 | tom99 | Apparently Tasksel is a tool that installs multiple related packages as a co-ordinated ¡°task¡± onto your system. |
| 05:06.47 | tom99 | but i don't know if that's related to the apt command apt-get install task-gnome-desktop |
| 05:07.17 | TomTomTosch | selecting gnome in tasksel is the same as running apt-get install task-gnome-desktop |
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| 05:10.07 | tom99 | i see... |
| 05:10.23 | TomTomTosch | tom99: gdm is only the login screen. |
| 05:11.37 | tom99 | so what would i type if I had wanted a minimal gui environment with a taskbar and window manager thing? |
| 05:11.45 | tom99 | in gnome i mean |
| 05:11.52 | tom99 | i assume xfce is more minimal |
| 05:11.53 | swulf-- | Hey - I just did a fresh install of debian testing in a machine with 3 graphics cards. The system boots but gdm doesn't show up, but I have console. I installed nvidia drivers from the command line, the devices are bound in /sys/bus/pci/drivers/nvidia/. Bit of /var/log/messages at http://pastebin.com/zaN8gVZx .. any ideas? |
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| 05:12.27 | swulf-- | tom99: you might like Cinnamon then |
| 05:12.28 | TomTomTosch | tom99: if you want a light wm you can install lightdm (or gdm) + fluxbox but that's not gnome. gnome is still the heavy desktop environment. |
| 05:13.11 | TomTomTosch | !debian-next |
| 05:13.11 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:13.18 | somiaj | tom99: gnome-core is the name of the meta package for the core of gnome (still quite big). You can go a bit more minimial but this requires a window manager, xorg. But you'll have to pull in other common software you may want to use. |
| 05:13.21 | TomTomTosch | swulf--: might be better off asking there^^ |
| 05:13.22 | swulf-- | TomTomTosch, thanks! didn't know that |
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| 05:14.37 | tom99 | TomTomTosch, ok that makes sense, so display manager + window manager is what i'm thinking of |
| 05:14.45 | tom99 | gnome and kde are giant balls of packages |
| 05:15.33 | tom99 | somiaj: thanks. i don't anticipate i'll have this problem again but if I do i'll install gnome-core. do you know how to browse metapackages specificly? like with apt-cache search ? |
| 05:17.35 | somiaj | tom99: not really. looks like it has the debtag role::metapackage that might be searchable using debtags. |
| 05:18.21 | TomTomTosch | aptitude search ~Gmetapackage ^^ |
| 05:19.09 | TomTomTosch | weird, it's not complete, though. |
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| 05:32.36 | tom99 | er so I type aptitude search ~Ggnome? |
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| 05:56.26 | tom99 | hmm, is linux better for coding than windows/ |
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| 05:56.35 | tom99 | cause you can learn c++ on windows or mac |
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| 05:57.20 | mado | almost back ... |
| 05:58.03 | mado | i once heard that Linux in general is better for programming something, tom99 ... but i'm new to a bunch of things myself so i can't say for sure : ) |
| 05:58.57 | tom99 | my friend is asking what reason to use debian or ubuntu and best reason i could think of is, well maybe if you want to code something\ |
| 05:59.07 | mado | i've tried to write two programs on Windows some more weeks ago ... and i'll try finishing them up in Debian now ... something rather simple ... but i still haven't figured out yet why they don't work |
| 05:59.38 | mado | well ... what other reasons are there for running GNU Linux? ... |
| 05:59.45 | mado | less virus ... |
| 05:59.52 | mado | Linux is more stable ... |
| 06:00.17 | mado | current versions run on older hardware |
| 06:00.30 | mado | most Linux distros are free : ) |
| 06:00.44 | mado | hmmm ... *thinking* what else? |
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| 06:04.50 | tom99 | i thought maybe if th ere's a linux only program |
| 06:04.51 | tom99 | lol |
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| 06:05.03 | mado | i'm sure there's that too : ) |
| 06:05.16 | mado | i've never seen anything like Synaptic on Windows systems |
| 06:05.31 | mado | or what about Compiz Fusion? |
| 06:05.51 | mado | or whatever it's called ... i'd like to try that once i have a new computer : ) |
| 06:06.30 | trer6n65h6h6 | k |
| 06:06.41 | mado | here's another thing ... i don't know that much about GNU Linux yet but ... my Windows side tends to get slower and slower over time ... one of my friends who only used GNU Linux a lot told me their system doesn't |
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| 06:07.20 | mado | i also doubt that GNU Linux or free (freedom) stuff spies on you ... :) |
| 06:07.55 | AciD``|2 | why is testing (stretch) missing many, many packages that are in jessie and sid? ie. krita |
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| 06:08.29 | mado | maybe because it's still in a testing stage? (just my guess) : ) |
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| 06:10.09 | AciD``|2 | w |
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| 06:10.53 | AciD``|2 | tom99 > also, with wine, linux can run more legacy windows apps than windows |
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| 06:13.41 | AciD``|2 | is debian supposed to activate the amdgpu module automatically when detecting such devices? I have installed xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu and after a reboot, lsmod|grep amd returns nothing. Do you need to do some dirty hacks like blocklisting the intel driver to force it to load? |
| 06:13.43 | TomTomTosch | AciD``|2: krita is not in sid. those are only unofficial ports, no i386 and amd64. it was removed for some reason. maybe it couldn't build anymore or the maintainer quit. |
| 06:14.30 | AciD``|2 | TomTomTosch > this is unofficial? https://packages.debian.org/sid/krita |
| 06:14.42 | AciD``|2 | does 'debports' makes it so? |
| 06:15.09 | TomTomTosch | AciD``|2: scroll down, only unofficially supported arches. |
| 06:15.14 | AciD``|2 | too bad, that's a great piece of software |
| 06:15.30 | Ke | AciD``|2: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu is userspace driver, kernel package includes amdgpu kernel module |
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| 06:16.36 | Ke | AciD``|2: is your gpu something that is supported by xf86-video-ati/radeon.ko? |
| 06:17.25 | AciD``|2 | Ke > well, on the same hardware I ran other debian-based distro and amdgpu worked great. Radeon is from another era iirc ;) |
| 06:18.01 | AciD``|2 | note: my gpu is from 2012 : hd7950 |
| 06:18.24 | Ke | AciD``|2: then this is definitely what I would expect for your card |
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| 06:19.05 | Ke | afaik support for SI/GCN-1.0 was only recently added to amdgpu and is disabled by default or something |
| 06:19.23 | Ke | though I get my info from phoronix, which is notoriously unreliable |
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| 06:19.54 | Ke | I definitely use radeon/xf86-video-ati on my SI/gcn-1.0 card |
| 06:20.06 | AciD`` | I'm not sure how outdate can testing be then, because I'm playing with amdgpu since the beginning with no problem |
| 06:20.11 | mado | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.55 | AciD`` | right now, with the 'radeon' driver, I have a very bad acceleration and low fps, even on kwin effect |
| 06:21.32 | Ke | mado: just like any clickbait news services |
| 06:22.02 | mado | well i'm new to a lot of stuff ... what are some good and trustworthy services then? |
| 06:22.21 | AciD`` | glxgears do returns 2200fps, but when using any effect like 'present windows' under kde, or even try a 3d game, it's pretty bad |
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| 06:22.50 | Ke | AciD``: note that mesa code is mostly shared between amdgpu and xf86-video-ati |
| 06:23.02 | AciD`` | mado > moronix, err..phoronix is not _that_ bad. You just have to read the headlines with a major grain of salt |
| 06:23.50 | mado | well i'm not sure i know how to do that |
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| 06:24.01 | chandrashekar | hai |
| 06:24.03 | chandrashekar | hello |
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| 06:27.31 | mado | i'm still learning you see ... i don't mind being open with you in sharing that i am still green and naive in a way ... AciD``: ) |
| 06:27.37 | mado | i hope none of you take offense in that |
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| 06:28.51 | AciD`` | why would I? It's very american to think you could 'offense' somebody just by being or thinking :) |
| 06:29.06 | AciD`` | welcome to Linux btw :) |
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| 06:29.31 | mado | well i'm not an American :) ... |
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| 06:30.23 | mado | but apparently i've annoyed a few people over the years by weirdest things ... |
| 06:30.27 | mado | also ... thank you : ) |
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| 06:33.33 | tom99 | how do I get glxgears on window for comparison? |
| 06:33.42 | pinklesbian | Israel by their own admission has at minimum 700 nukes. Their Samson option states that if they canât have earth as their own they will make sure no one else gets it and have nukes aimed at earthâs 700 biggest cities. |
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| 06:34.36 | mado | i can be wrong of course but i can |
| 06:34.50 | mado | can't - i repeat i cannot imagine Israel bombing the world |
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| 06:36.46 | jelly | opm: I've already kbanned them from here. |
| 06:36.54 | opm | oh ok thank you, jelly |
| 06:37.03 | opm | it's quite an active morning today |
| 06:37.08 | opm | if you get what I mean |
| 06:37.11 | jelly | sigh |
| 06:37.14 | opm | thanks for the help |
| 06:38.16 | mado | i'm not questioning you or any authority here but may i ask what you two mean there? |
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| 06:38.56 | mado | you can tell me privately as well (to not disturb others here and if talking about this is not allowed) |
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| 06:39.57 | AciD`` | mado > this is #debian, not #politics |
| 06:40.51 | mado | *mild chuckle* i know ... but one channel i sometimes was in in the past ... they had the policy that talk about bans, and other such stuff was prohibited |
| 06:41.04 | AciD`` | any reason why #debian-next is invite only btw (since it's written in the public chan topic)? |
| 06:41.35 | jelly | AciD``: it's on OFTC, not this network |
| 06:41.45 | mado | since i don't know enough about Debian or this channel yet and me being generally a little more careful i had to phrase my question in this polite and respectful though |
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| 06:41.53 | mado | +way |
| 06:42.05 | AciD`` | jelly > ..ok! |
| 06:43.20 | jelly | mado: tis' fine. We also avoid discussion about policies in here, but a small amount of offtopic is allowed if there are no pending questions around |
| 06:43.45 | mado | okay : ) ... good to know |
| 06:44.24 | mado | do you then also have a room where non-tech-support-related stuff can be talked about? |
| 06:44.32 | jelly | #debian-offtopic |
| 06:44.34 | AciD`` | Ke > when I take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa_%28computer_graphics%29, I can see that the debian testing mesa is very new (12.0.3-1, from last july), I'm trying to find how old is that amdgpu, but it seems it should be used instead of the radeon driver |
| 06:45.51 | Ke | AciD``: kernel package is the more relevant part |
| 06:46.08 | AciD`` | ah, yes, forgot that |
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| 06:46.19 | AciD`` | 3.16.0-4-amd64 is pretty old indeed |
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| 06:46.31 | AciD`` | for a testing distro I mean |
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| 06:46.42 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 06:46.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.4-2); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2) |
| 06:47.10 | Ke | AciD``: once kernel driver is loaded, the choice about codepaths for userspace is pretty much done |
| 06:47.16 | parisiankiss | that true about israel having 700 nukes aimed at us if we don't do their bidding? |
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| 06:48.15 | AciD`` | ok then, I have choices :) |
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| 06:49.14 | AciD`` | anybody in charge of that wiki page? https://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel : the linux-image-flavour does not exists (at least in testing) |
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| 06:50.13 | jelly | AciD``: "amd64" is a typical flavor for a 64bit intel/amd installation |
| 06:51.04 | jelly | that's why > Note that kernel images are available for several flavours - depending on your architecture |
| 06:51.12 | AciD`` | jelly > I figured there should be something wrong with grub, since I just found out I do have linux-image-4.6.0-1-amd64 installed, but grub update did not pick that up |
| 06:51.58 | jelly | AciD``: I have no idea how broken testing is right now, best ask in #debian-next (on irc.oftc.net( |
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| 06:52.37 | AciD`` | noob question: why is #debian-next not on freenode (like most open-source channels)? |
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| 06:53.21 | jelly | AciD``: most debian channels are on OFTC, this one is a remaining exception |
| 06:53.28 | AciD`` | oh, ok |
| 06:53.37 | mado | what does OFTC stand for? |
| 06:53.54 | jelly | !oftc |
| 06:53.54 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
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| 06:54.16 | mado | thank you jelly : ) |
| 06:54.50 | mado | is it bad then that i'm currently using Freenode's door to this channel here? |
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| 06:55.21 | jelly | it's a separate channel, there's no connection between #debian here and #debian on oftc |
| 06:55.40 | mado | oh? |
| 06:55.51 | mado | okay |
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| 07:09.32 | mado | Is openweathermap.org a good service? |
| 07:09.56 | mado | good as in reliable? |
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| 07:11.48 | digdilem | mado, offtopic, but it's odd that it's a part-premium service with a name like that. weatherunderground is free free. |
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| 07:12.22 | AciD` | bummer, after installing linux-firmware and rebooting, I now get a pretty kernel panic : vfs : unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 07:13.33 | mado | well i was asking because i just found the gnome-tweak-tool and saw i could add some weather report to the panel on top of my screen, digdilem |
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| 07:14.26 | mado | and i thought i should play around with some settings |
| 07:15.24 | mado | i still haven't found yet where some things can be found, etc ... but thanks for pointing another service out for me, digdilem |
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| 07:16.34 | surfist | weather.noaa.gov has changed to tgftp.nws.noaa.gov so you can hack libgweather or wait |
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| 07:17.02 | mado | i certainly cannot "hack" anything surfist : ) |
| 07:17.03 | digdilem | i contribute to WU via a few weather stations that feed to it |
| 07:17.28 | surfist | :) |
| 07:18.10 | surfist | xfce has a plugin .. uses met.no for weather |
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| 07:19.05 | mado | nice of you digdilem :) |
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| 07:19.29 | mado | well i don't know what the thing is called that gnome uses on the top panel ... |
| 07:19.30 | digdilem | ime, they're all generally "ok", using algorithms and real data to predict future weather, rather than a skilled human, but they're all reasonably accurate |
| 07:20.26 | mado | okay : ) |
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| 07:21.14 | surfist | weather.report or summat... the gnome thing |
| 07:21.19 | surfist | help/about |
| 07:22.40 | surfist | stuff that used noaa will be broken for a while |
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| 07:22.51 | mado | okaaay ... it says ... OpenWeather : ) |
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| 07:22.59 | mado | and also OPenweather |
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| 07:24.15 | mado | alright then ... i think i've played around with enough settings for now ... after some rest i'll check out some more : ) |
| 07:24.44 | surfist | welcome to the unending universe |
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| 07:25.06 | mado | sooo ... Catch you later everyone ... |
| 07:25.18 | mado | and yeah ... it sometimes seems there is no end ... |
| 07:25.26 | mado | but i'm pretty sure there is |
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| 08:26.57 | rtbt | I'm stuck with NetworkManager |
| 08:27.06 | johnuyio | I use `xrandr -o right to make my screen rotate, but the window can't expand to bottom of right, is anyone here meet this before? |
| 08:27.32 | rtbt | nmcli d wifi list produces nothing |
| 08:27.48 | johnuyio | use wifi-menu |
| 08:27.51 | rtbt | yet lspci shows that the wifi is recognized |
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| 08:29.04 | rtbt | and the wireless doesnt show up on nmcli dev |
| 08:29.07 | rtbt | it's odd |
| 08:29.21 | rtbt | johnuyio tried, nothing -_- |
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| 08:30.48 | johnuyio | rtbt: why nmcli? just use networkmanager is not ok? |
| 08:31.18 | johnuyio | if you want some cli stuff, why not try wpa_supplicant |
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| 08:33.54 | colo-work | rtbt, does nmtui behave better? |
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| 08:34.24 | SynrG | rtbt: is wlan0 listed in /etc/network/interfaces ? if so, NM ignores the interface as it delegates it to ifupdown to setup |
| 08:34.53 | SynrG | rtbt: if that's the case, remove wlan0 from /etc/network/interfaces and restart NM, then it'll see it |
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| 08:38.15 | johnuyio | rtbt: check `ifconfig -a` |
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| 08:50.27 | reber | hey. Is it possible to migrate to debian x64 easier than this : https://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit ... |
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| 08:53.27 | BenNZ | reber: personally i would rather a fresh install |
| 08:53.55 | reber | ... well me too, but ... |
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| 08:58.41 | ksk | if you dont want to insall form scratch thats probably the only option |
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| 08:59.49 | nkuttler | just from looking at that page.. reinstall is probably faster |
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| 09:02.24 | tom99 | i just installed from scratch a few hours ago |
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| 09:02.30 | woshty | Is there something like sysctl for setting stuff in debugfs? |
| 09:02.44 | tom99 | hint: use the text-installer and then be ready to uncheck the desktop environment to manually install xfce yourself |
| 09:03.14 | reber | i have to reinstall all stufff, kind a pain ... |
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| 09:11.41 | Skandalist | I don't understand how to check root partition (ext4) for errors in Debian 8.3. I don't see any kind of actions if I do "touch /forcefsck", except deleting this file after reboot. I don't see any actions when I do "fsck.mode=force" in GRUB. If I do "tune2fs -c 1 /dev/sda1", then it writes that the disk hasn't been checked for some time and is forced to be checked, then it thinks for a while, and continues booting (no persentage of disk |
| 09:11.41 | Skandalist | checking is shown). The log of fsck stays empty. |
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| 09:27.34 | teraflops | Skandalist: the touch /forcefsck approach does not work anymore, at least using systemd afaik. |
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| 09:33.26 | work_ | Hi, i installed a 32bit .deb on a 64bit sys and it forced the installation of apt:i386 and removed the apt:amd64 ... now the dependency tree is all messed up and apt wants to install everything in 32bit. what is the way to fix it back to amd64? |
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| 09:34.03 | work_ | apt/history.log and apt-get upgrade snippet http://paste.ubuntu.com/23219315/ |
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| 09:35.53 | Skandalist | <teraflops> So what can I do, except using other systen to check disk |
| 09:35.56 | Skandalist | & |
| 09:35.58 | Skandalist | ? |
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| 09:41.21 | hanshenrik | http://image.prntscr.com/image/66ebb9dcdc944a079fd63d9fb4f68769.png |
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| 09:41.30 | hanshenrik | any idea what that nameless process using a significant amount of RAM is? |
| 09:41.50 | hanshenrik | PID 12727 |
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| 09:42.28 | hanshenrik | or how i can check what a pid is when it seemingly doesnt have a process name |
| 09:42.39 | hanshenrik | /command |
| 09:43.41 | bioanarchism | hanshenrik: are there any backups running at this moment? |
| 09:44.09 | hanshenrik | backups? not sure what you mean, but no, there's no backups of any kind running |
| 09:44.24 | bioanarchism | hanshenrik: also, would you happen to know if there are backup agents installed on this node as well? |
| 09:44.57 | hanshenrik | not afaik. it runs btrfs wich supports snapshots if that counts, but it's not actually being used |
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| 09:45.38 | hanshenrik | (there's 0 snapshots and none being requested) |
| 09:46.48 | bioanarchism | hanshenrik: strange, i might be blind but I can't locate PID 12727 on the screenshot. could you help to verify? |
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| 09:47.44 | Mahe | it's the very first entry, highlighted in bright teal color |
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| 09:48.39 | hanshenrik | should be easier to spot here |
| 09:48.40 | hanshenrik | http://image.prntscr.com/image/5ef407a1f99a4c9692db179a3afb2516.png |
| 09:48.52 | Mahe | xD |
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| 09:49.10 | bioanarchism | Mahe: oops. i am definitely need a dose of eyewash. thank you for pointing that out. |
| 09:49.53 | Mahe | np, the way it is highlighted it can easily be mistaken for a header line |
| 09:50.16 | bjoernb | debian-installer stretch alpha7 cannot install manually grub2 if dm_crypt is used. the installer does not write the file /etc/default/grub with the variable GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y and the error message is that the installer is missing /etc/default/grub with the contents GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=1. |
| 09:50.54 | bioanarchism | hanshenrik: lsof -i | grep 12727 |
| 09:50.59 | bioanarchism | hanshenrik: will that show anything for you? |
| 09:51.38 | hanshenrik | damn, no, but the process just exited :o |
| 09:51.45 | hanshenrik | pid 12727 dont exist anymore |
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| 09:52.21 | bjoernb | the mentioned behaviour occours in expert install |
| 09:53.53 | hanshenrik | bjoernb, i think you should ask #debian-next at irc.oftc.net for anything stretch related |
| 09:54.04 | bioanarchism | hanshenrik: that is strange. well, if it happens again, perhaps you can try "lsof -i | grep PID" and see if anything shows up. sorry that I wasn't able to decipher it quickly enough for you. |
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| 09:55.37 | SynrG | bjoernb, hanshenrik: actually, since it relates to the stretch installer, which is intended for people testing the installer (if you want to install stretch, install jessie and then upgrade to stretch) then issues like that should be filed against the installer via the bts |
| 09:55.53 | SynrG | !testing installer |
| 09:55.53 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:55.54 | hanshenrik | bioanarchism, you don't owe me anything so don't worry about it ^^ (probably. idk who's really behind that nick) - thanks for trying though |
| 09:56.25 | SynrG | the likelihood that existing users of sid/stretch on #debian-next actually know about that issue is slight, but you're welcome to try. |
| 09:56.56 | SynrG | it sounds pretty esoteric, since the installer is still in development and users are actively discouraged from using it |
| 09:57.18 | teraflops | Skandalist: everything you boot the system the disk is checked |
| 09:57.35 | teraflops | Skandalist: look at fstab |
| 09:57.36 | hanshenrik | SynrG, oh, didn't know that, ty |
| 09:57.38 | bjoernb | SynrG: that error happened as well to the jessie installer. |
| 09:58.02 | SynrG | ok. then maybe there's something wrong with your approach? why are you trying to "install manually grub2"? |
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| 09:58.17 | SynrG | when you deviate from the process the installer guides you through, all kinds of issues are possible |
| 09:58.25 | Skandalist | <teraflops> what shuold there be? |
| 09:58.47 | teraflops | Skandalist: so what's the problem. is it a sdcard perhaps? |
| 09:58.51 | bjoernb | the manually was wrong. i am using the debian-testing-alpha7.iso. i just configure the disks manually. |
| 09:59.10 | SynrG | oh, you mean you didn't select the "guided partitioning" choice |
| 09:59.17 | SynrG | ? |
| 09:59.27 | Skandalist | it is root partition. I want to check it to be sure it is ok |
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| 09:59.37 | Skandalist | hard drive |
| 09:59.40 | SynrG | bjoernb: i'm still unclear on what you mean by "manually" |
| 10:00.19 | SynrG | bjoernb: if you selected a choice from the menu, it should be supported. if you opened a shell to poke around manually, that's not necessarily supported. |
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| 10:00.55 | bjoernb | SynrG: ignore the manually. i am not using guided partioning. i configure encrypted volumes, lvm and than specify partitions. grub install has the error later on. |
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| 10:01.23 | teraflops | Skandalist: but do you suspect it's not fine? |
| 10:01.36 | bjoernb | i did not open a shell. i had to because grub-install from the installation ended with the mentioned error. |
| 10:01.50 | SynrG | bjoernb: i see. |
| 10:02.00 | teraflops | Skandalist: root filesystem is checked every time you boot |
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| 10:02.26 | Skandalist | <teraflops> Yes I had energy loss during computer was working |
| 10:02.54 | SynrG | bjoernb: i would first check the installation guide regarding the menu choices you made in case anything is written there about it, and if it looks like it should be supported, check for a bug filed about this issue, and if there isn't one, file one. |
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| 10:03.24 | teraflops | Skandalist: then you rebooted and the root filesystem was checked automatically wasn't it? |
| 10:03.53 | SynrG | bjoernb: or you could just go straight to filing an installation-report if you're not sure what component to check for / file a bug on |
| 10:04.36 | SynrG | !installation report |
| 10:04.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, installation report is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#submit-bug |
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| 10:06.25 | Skandalist | <teraflops> I don't know. I haven't seen any warnings as it was in previous Debian versions. fstab has "ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1" |
| 10:06.57 | SynrG | bjoernb: is it possible to work around the issue by manually putting the necessary value in the file (probably within /target) and trying the grub install step again? |
| 10:08.36 | bioanarchism | hanshenrik: always more than happy to help. :) |
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| 10:10.49 | bjoernb | SynrG: i did open a shell and wrote /etc/default/grub but it should have been /target/etc/default/grub i think. iirc in jessie 2 years ago it was the same and i had to manually fix it in the shell like this but before the step install the grub boott loader on hard disk. so i had to open a shell just before |
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| 10:27.00 | SynrG | bjoernb: if it's an old issue from 2 years ago, it should've been reported 2 years ago ... |
| 10:27.19 | SynrG | bjoernb: if it continues to be an issue today and you never filed a bug, don't be shocked :p |
| 10:27.35 | SynrG | waiting for "someone else" to report/fix an issue is not a good strategy |
| 10:27.44 | bjoernb | SynrG: yes it should have been reportet then. |
| 10:27.58 | SynrG | so i strongly encourage you to report it now |
| 10:28.01 | bjoernb | just testing if it works like i hope |
| 10:28.09 | SynrG | yep. best of luck. :) |
| 10:30.10 | bjoernb | got a gdm. worked. you have to edit /target/etc/default/grub but you will end up with a /etc/default/grub that is different from the maintainers version. so that has to be fixed after the installation. |
| 10:30.34 | bjoernb | i write a todo to file a bug report for that issue. |
| 10:30.38 | bjoernb | thanks. |
| 10:30.39 | SynrG | excellent |
| 10:30.42 | SynrG | np |
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| 11:06.54 | TomyWork | i'm on debian jessie armhf (deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie main and such) and i can't find overlayfs. according to uname -a, my kernel is 3.14, which is before overlayfs was added. is there a way to still get overlayfs? |
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| 11:08.13 | Algebr` | Installing debian and always having this annoying issue of dhcp/network not auto configuring |
| 11:08.41 | tom99 | Algebr`, you have the opposite problem of me then. I always have dhcp work fine but my desktop not install |
| 11:08.56 | tom99 | so I have to uncheck it in the text installer, then do apt-get install task-gnome-desktop |
| 11:09.34 | hexnewbie | Algebr`: There's no overlay in Jessie, as far as I can tell from the filelist: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64/filelist |
| 11:09.49 | Algebr` | this is 8, I forget if its jessie or wheezy |
| 11:09.58 | hexnewbie | errr that was for TomyWork ^ |
| 11:10.07 | tom99 | jessie = 8, wh eezy = 7, lenny = 6 |
| 11:10.30 | Algebr` | right, okay so now I'm trying to manually configure, how do I find the hostname of the dhcp server? |
| 11:10.34 | tom99 | speaking of which where is the animated cowgirl on my desktop?? |
| 11:10.42 | hexnewbie | TomyWork: The same is true for the arm kernel, though I don't know which kernel which kernel armhf uses. The backports kernel has it, see if there's a backports kernel for armhf |
| 11:11.10 | hexnewbie | found overlayfs pretty unusable and switched to aufs |
| 11:11.33 | tom99 | well i got 2/3 right. |
| 11:11.37 | tom99 | 6 is squeeze |
| 11:12.13 | Algebr` | hate dealing with this shit, I just want to get it up and running so I can code |
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| 11:12.58 | tom99 | Algebr: welcome to my life, i live in the lowest rung of hell where i spend all my time installing, no time coding |
| 11:14.21 | TomyWork | hexnewbie alright, i'll use aufs then |
| 11:14.25 | TomyWork | thanks |
| 11:14.40 | Algebr` | okay it seemingly works? I just gave the machine an ip address myself |
| 11:14.43 | AciD` | I have an utf-8 encoding problem after having deboostrapped a system. utf-8 char are not recognized since by default, the system thinks the charmap is ascii. locale-gen do generate the right locale, but they are not used by default and I need to export LANG and LC_ALL in .zshrc/.bashrc to fix my console. However it only works in said console, not for commands launched by other apps. |
| 11:14.50 | AciD` | Any idea how to fix that? cf. https://paste.kde.org/pgdnewkdm |
| 11:14.59 | Algebr` | why does ubuntu always install without hassle |
| 11:15.21 | jelly | dpkg, tell AciD` about locales |
| 11:15.31 | Algebr` | although I prefer debian much more |
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| 11:16.18 | hexnewbie | TomyWork: Oh, that wasn't a suggestion, just my experience. I'd try overlay first, since it is simpler. If it doesn't work, it doesn't. The aufs packages are not in jessie or jessie-backports at all. The kernel with overlay is in jessie-backports. |
| 11:16.30 | tom99 | Algebr: are you using wireless or have a physical connection? |
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| 11:17.21 | hexnewbie | TomyWork: There's overlay for armhf in the jessie-backports kernel: https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/armhf/linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-armmp/filelist |
| 11:17.25 | tom99 | the file /etc/network/interfaces will tell you what network interfaces are configuerd for your system |
| 11:17.35 | AciD` | jelly -> /etc/default/locale contains LANG="fr_FR.UTF-8", as wanted |
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| 11:18.08 | tom99 | mins id en_US.UTF-8 |
| 11:18.13 | tom99 | *mine is |
| 11:18.20 | Algebr` | tom99: insult to injury, wired connection |
| 11:18.35 | Algebr` | yes, was messing with interfaces |
| 11:18.39 | jelly | AciD`: good, when you log in at the console or via ssh your interactive shell should have that set |
| 11:18.53 | TomyWork | hexnewbie i dont care which one i use anyway, the script i'm using can use both, so i'm fine with aufs :) |
| 11:19.21 | TomyWork | problem is, "modinfo aufs" says "modinfo: ERROR: Module aufs not found." |
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| 11:19.56 | AciD` | I'm absolutely clueless why this locale is not used by default. ie. if I remove the 2 exports from .zshrc/.bashrc, I just can't see any utf-8 char (and I keep getting for command I type the errors at the top of my previous paste) |
| 11:20.17 | AciD` | jelly -> well, something is wrong elsewhere then, but I can't figure out what |
| 11:20.24 | hexnewbie | TomyWork: Which is why I said aufs is neither in jessie, nor jessie-backports. It's not even in stretch. You need to install it manually, which also makes overlayfs preferable - it's in an official kernel. |
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| 11:20.51 | jelly | AciD`: how do you log in? |
| 11:21.00 | TomyWork | hexnewbie alright |
| 11:21.04 | tom99 | Algebr`, can you tell me what steps you have already taken to resolve the problem? |
| 11:21.09 | AciD` | jelly -> via sddm |
| 11:21.19 | tom99 | did you try another computer with the same ethernet to be sure it's available? |
| 11:21.21 | Algebr` | tried adding eth0 manually to interfaces |
| 11:21.39 | Algebr` | the ethernet works fine because there's a windows machine next to it that uses the same connection with no issue |
| 11:21.50 | jelly | AciD`: okay, and which window manager or desktop environment session do you choose? |
| 11:21.53 | Algebr` | I'm gonna let my sysadmin friend deal with this |
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| 11:22.08 | Algebr` | or break down and just use ubuntu |
| 11:22.19 | AciD` | jelly -> plasma (kde) |
| 11:23.05 | jelly | AciD`: which debian release are you using? |
| 11:23.10 | teraflops | does kde have a "set language and keyboard layout thingy" |
| 11:23.14 | tom99 | Algebr`, so you physicall used the same cable plug into the windows machine? |
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| 11:23.51 | Algebr` | tom99: yes and it was fine |
| 11:24.05 | tom99 | Algebr`, can you find TCP/IP properties on the windows machine? |
| 11:24.10 | tom99 | sometimes they have static IP settings. |
| 11:24.23 | tom99 | or like a different subnet |
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| 11:24.56 | Algebr` | tom99: I will in a little bit, doing coding now |
| 11:25.04 | jelly | teraflops: per user? kde4 in jessie does, systemsettings -> Locale |
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| 11:25.33 | jelly | dunno how that affects LC_* and LANG env.vars tho |
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| 11:26.06 | tom99 | Algebr: well I have to go now, but if you solve it let me know in the main channel if you like. |
| 11:26.21 | teraflops | jelly: anyway setting language in shell profile looks wrong to me *always* |
| 11:26.25 | AciD` | jelly -> hum, I'm not sure if I'm asking in the right channel then ; I used a debian live usb to debootstrap a xenial system (via `debootstrap --arch=amd64 xenial`) |
| 11:26.42 | teraflops | ^ |
| 11:27.36 | tom99 | I'm using Gnome desktop and confusing there are two menu options for network config, Network Tools and Network Connections |
| 11:27.54 | teraflops | sounds like the issue is while in Xorg. anyway it's not debian |
| 11:29.00 | AciD` | teraflops -> to which conversation are you refering? |
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| 11:29.10 | teraflops | AciD`: yours |
| 11:29.26 | jelly | AciD`: then you'll have to ask the kubuntu or ubuntu people how to properly configure that xenial system I guess |
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| 11:30.02 | tom99 | there's also NetworkManager that starts automatically on gnome? |
| 11:30.17 | AciD` | that and why there are no tty, only X on tt7.. |
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| 11:30.48 | teraflops | not really. what starts automatically is gnome network applet |
| 11:30.50 | Algebr` | tom99: thank you |
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| 11:31.21 | tom99 | np, i'm also using debian when i considered using ubuntu first |
| 11:31.26 | tom99 | so i had some sympathy with your plight |
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| 11:35.50 | AciD` | ! |
| 11:35.58 | debkad | ? |
| 11:36.18 | TomyWork | hexnewbie this debian image is using a custom kernel for this platform :/ |
| 11:36.25 | TomyWork | so back to aufs :) |
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| 11:37.18 | AciD` | I do not know which one of you gave me the hint, but to fix my problem (after literally days of searching), I did not need to change /etc/environment, /etc/default/locale, locale-gen, etc. ... but only to set the language in kde setting > regional setting :| |
| 11:37.22 | tom99 | i just figured out that apt-cache -n search <name> restricts the search to the package name/description |
| 11:37.27 | Delf | Either input or output but not both shows when plugging in usb x-fi hd. Where do I look for errors? dmesg doesn't say much :( |
| 11:37.27 | tom99 | cool |
| 11:37.28 | AciD` | by default it's set as 'unset' |
| 11:37.32 | AciD` | :o |
| 11:37.37 | AciD` | thank you guys! |
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| 11:38.44 | AciD` | now I just need to activate the tty1 to 6 by default at startup, and I'm set! :) |
| 11:38.46 | teraflops | AciD`: ^ |
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| 11:39.17 | AciD` | teraflops -> I rebooted and lost the channel history (I'm using a bnc) |
| 11:39.24 | AciD` | if that's you, thanks! :) |
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| 11:41.21 | jelly | AciD`: you're running ubuntu or kubuntu, so ask in the appropriate channel to get _correct_ advice for your OS. It doesn't really matter that you used a debian live to start debootstrap and the install process |
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| 11:42.03 | jelly | advice given here applies to debian and may be suboptimal for a derivative |
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| 11:42.35 | debkad | hmm i can't tye "p" what's wrong |
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| 11:43.02 | gebruiker | is debian/linux more secure than windows 10 ? |
| 11:43.21 | debkad | may be |
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| 11:43.59 | gebruiker | ? |
| 11:44.36 | babilen | gebruiker: That's impossible the answer |
| 11:44.38 | Leonardo_0112 | I'm using Debian 8.4 and I've installed firefox (version 48) by https://mozilla.debian.net, but few minutes ago, I run apt-get update and upgrade and now Firefox-ESR (version 45) is assuming the position of the default browser. How can I make Firefox (from moziila debian) be the default browser again? |
| 11:44.49 | gebruiker | babilen, why? |
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| 11:45.32 | RobinC | gebruiker, both can be set up very well, both can be set up very poorly and insecurely. The assessment of how well setup and secure also very much depends on where it is being used and for what purpose |
| 11:45.36 | babilen | gebruiker: I'd say "yes" but that assumes that you are using a minimal Debian install on a box that's permanently turned off and is impossible to connect to the internet |
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| 11:46.11 | gebruiker | well guys, how about by default and by design, would debian/linux be more secure than windows 10 ? |
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| 11:46.31 | babilen | gebruiker: It really boils down to "secure at what and under what circumstances?" - I am sure that you can configure both platforms securely, but I lack the experience to make any statements about Windows. |
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| 11:47.20 | gebruiker | babilen, hmm what advantage does debian/linux then have over windows 10? |
| 11:47.58 | debkad | Leonardo_0112, in my case it was iceweasel or something like that and upgrade make it ff-esr, it is better for me but i don't know if that good for you |
| 11:47.59 | babilen | gebruiker: It's Linux, Open Source, ... |
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| 11:48.01 | babilen | dpkg: why debian |
| 11:48.01 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 11:48.05 | babilen | gebruiker: ^ |
| 11:49.16 | Leonardo_0112 | debkad: I's like the Firefox from mozilla debian because I work with web development, and firefox version 48 has some improvements |
| 11:49.17 | gebruiker | but what good is open source if people can not program? |
| 11:49.27 | gebruiker | ( babilen, ) |
| 11:49.55 | debkad | Leonardo_0112, may be compiling it from source |
| 11:50.21 | babilen | gebruiker: It's not necessarily about each individual. Every person can take advantage of open source software even if they lack the means to write or maintain it themselves. Much like everything else ... |
| 11:50.52 | babilen | gebruiker: Either way, do you have a particular problem we can help you with? Are you considering replacing a Windows 10 installation with Debian? |
| 11:51.53 | gebruiker | babilen, yes I am considering replacing it but I was not sure about why I wanted to, I mean I wanted to know more about the treasure chest of each operating system before installing it, more so getting to know it - say by reading a book or having a good conversation about it |
| 11:52.55 | Ke | gebruiker: if you have a moderately recent system, you can also try debian on virtual machine first to figure out, whether the software and user interface is good for you |
| 11:53.06 | babilen | gebruiker: Have you used Linux before? |
| 11:53.18 | gebruiker | babilen, yes 10 years ago or so |
| 11:53.53 | gebruiker | than I installed it because i thought it was cool, not because of idealistic stance |
| 11:54.06 | babilen | Then you are, more or less, aware of what you can expect. There has obviously been quite a lot of development, but the core principles haven't changed much |
| 11:54.17 | Ke | gebruiker: of course there is quite a selection of user interfaces and software, but you can at least try out a few |
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| 11:54.40 | teraflops | AciD`: my ^ was about the issue itself, anyway glad it worked |
| 11:54.48 | babilen | How can we help you now? I'd say the best thing to do is to actually try it and see if it fits your needs. Be that in a virtual machine or by actually switching your entire installation is another question. |
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| 11:55.17 | debkad | i need something |
| 11:56.02 | gebruiker | Well yes, I do appreciate the interaction but there is no need to help me carry something. I was just looking for some relaxed conversation about your experiences and the thoughts behind using the OS |
| 11:57.16 | babilen | gebruiker: Absolutely .. maybe you'd like to join us in #debian-offtopic which is maybe a better place for "relaxed discussion" than this technical support channel :) |
| 11:57.30 | babilen | If you have any questions or problems do not hesitate to ask |
| 11:57.33 | teraflops | people tend to name OS to each linux distro I wonder if the terminology is exact |
| 11:57.56 | babilen | I can strongly recommend to take a look at https://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 11:57.58 | gebruiker | thanks :D |
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| 11:58.53 | Ke | teraflops: noted, I prefer just saying distro, when I mean distro and OS when I mean Linux or GNU/linux or Android/linux |
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| 11:59.24 | Ke | anyway, I am offtopicing now too, sorry |
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| 12:04.12 | sphalerite | xul-ext-cookie-monster seems to be broken in jessie; I'm running reportbug against it and reportbug says it's out of date (newer versions available in stretch and sid) and asks me to confirm that I want to report the bug. Should I still report the bug? |
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| 12:05.01 | Beetlebot | hello |
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| 12:05.40 | debkad | hi |
| 12:06.20 | Beetlebot | i was wondering if i could get any help |
| 12:06.37 | debkad | let it go |
| 12:06.38 | teraflops | sphalerite: since debian jessie is frozen im pretty sure it's out of date as in upstream there're newer versions so I don't get the point. |
| 12:06.52 | debkad | Beetlebot, just push the button |
| 12:07.49 | Beetlebot | ? |
| 12:07.57 | Flashtek | Beetlebot: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 12:08.01 | debkad | Beetlebot, i mean just ask |
| 12:08.14 | debkad | don't be timid |
| 12:08.31 | debkad | when you keep it inside it hurt you |
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| 12:08.53 | debkad | come on |
| 12:09.15 | Beetlebot | well im a new linux user from windows and i was trying to install vlc media player and after i run "sudo apt- get install vlc" it installs the packages but i cannot figure out how to run vlc after that point |
| 12:09.46 | debkad | Beetlebot, through the menu or type in terminal vlc |
| 12:09.50 | oish__ | Beetlebot: does typing vlc at a shell prompt work? |
| 12:10.09 | sphalerite | teraflops: yeah it's out of date naturally, but does it make sense to report a bug against it? |
| 12:10.17 | debkad | Enter button included of course |
| 12:10.43 | debkad | do it |
| 12:12.00 | debkad | when you do that, vlc show his beautiful face to you and smiling |
| 12:12.43 | debkad | allo |
| 12:12.50 | Beetlebot | alright thanks for the help. |
| 12:13.01 | debkad | You're welcome |
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| 12:22.55 | teraflops | sphalerite: idk to be honest |
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| 12:24.18 | iamawesome | Hi, is there any package that i can use to suspend computer? |
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| 12:25.20 | msl09 | Hi I want to understand how "pip install" works on debian |
| 12:25.53 | msl09 | I have a sample code that discribes my question |
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| 12:26.00 | msl09 | https://u.teknik.io/rJjUW.tar |
| 12:26.34 | msl09 | basically it installs a package that has only one module, with one method |
| 12:27.11 | msl09 | but it installs some code on /usr/lib/python3.4/test/__init__.py and some code on /usr/local/lib/python3.4/dist-packages/test/__init__.py |
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| 12:28.38 | vyadhaka1 | is there a good guide on installing debian with LUKS+LVM+btrfs? |
| 12:28.43 | teraflops | msl09: pip works the same everywhere as in: if you do sudo pip install aka sillypip your python stuff ends eventually borked |
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| 12:29.28 | msl09 | entry_point uses /usr/lib/python3.4/test while the python interpreter uses /usr/local/lib/python3.4/dist-packages/test/ |
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| 12:31.03 | msl09 | well I wanted to try to do the simplest thing that could work |
| 12:31.10 | msl09 | ie not use virtualenvs |
| 12:31.19 | teraflops | use pip install --user then |
| 12:31.31 | Delf | Is it OK to paste a link from launchpad (ubuntu)? |
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| 12:32.16 | Delf | vyadhaka1: You want lvm between luks and btrfs? |
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| 12:32.43 | HelloEarth | hello, I can't connect to remote mysql. I've bind-address well configured. and I receive ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user.... If i connect localy on my mysql server by localhost i connect with no problems. I've granted permisions with: grant all privileges on snorby.* to 'snorby'@'10.1.10.5' with grant option; but without ressults. What can I do? |
| 12:33.06 | teraflops | msl09: then check/recheck ~/.local/bin is in your path |
| 12:33.14 | msl09 | ok |
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| 12:35.18 | teraflops | msl09: anyway take a look at virtualenvs since imo is the right way |
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| 12:36.27 | vyadhaka1 | Delf: yep, will have different OS so need LVM |
| 12:37.03 | teraflops | vyadhaka1: LVM does not much much sense when doing btrfs because you have subvolumes |
| 12:37.14 | teraflops | make* |
| 12:37.41 | vyadhaka1 | how big should the boot partition be? I am going with 2 partitions 1 /boot and rest LUKS, how big should the boot be |
| 12:38.02 | debkad | 200M is enough i think |
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| 12:38.52 | Delf | I'm not sure bit I think I've found the bug causing my audio issues. Seems it's nothing new but I don't know if it's known to Debian |
| 12:39.10 | teraflops | vyadhaka1: if youre not going to take advantages of btrfs as in subvolumes and taking snapshots I dont see the point of using lvm + btrfs |
| 12:39.15 | Megaf | Hi all, my touchpad is no longer working on Debian 8 with backports. Any idea why? Here is some information about the touchpad http://paste.debian.net/plain/836457 |
| 12:39.18 | vyadhaka1 | teraflops: there is a use case btrfs does not cover, like I said, if I want to do some kernel testing, I need logical volumes, it would be better if I could install different OS to subvolumes, but that is not very well implemented yet |
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| 12:42.11 | HelloEarth | can someone help me |
| 12:42.13 | HelloEarth | ? |
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| 12:42.48 | abrotman | HelloEarth: probably #mysql, but you may have to flush permissions |
| 12:42.58 | HelloEarth | yes I did it |
| 12:42.58 | vyadhaka1 | teraflops: I think Fedora allows for different versions of OS to be installed to subvolumes but it's pretty new, I am coming from FREEBSD + ZFS, I like that setup where I can install different OS versions to subvolumes, |
| 12:43.11 | Delf | I'm NOT using Ubuntu, but this seems to be the issue I'm having⦠using Debian Jessie. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1036979 |
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| 12:43.31 | teraflops | HelloEarth: looks to me that the user youre using has no permission for accessing it remotely |
| 12:43.38 | debkad | Megaf, something close to your problem http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=129031 |
| 12:43.42 | teraflops | so GRANT i suppose |
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| 12:44.44 | teraflops | HelloEarth: mysql users are not system users (/etc/passwd) |
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| 12:45.01 | Megaf | debkad: I just tried this and didnt work http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/etps-2-elantech-touchpad-active-but-not-working-in-debian-jessie-4175586698/ |
| 12:45.06 | Megaf | let me see your link |
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| 12:45.52 | teraflops | vyadhaka1: well I wish you luck with your tests I just hope that's not a production machine :P |
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| 12:47.16 | HelloEarth | teraflops are you talking about system users? |
| 12:47.17 | Megaf | debkad: well, no real solution there |
| 12:47.31 | HelloEarth | you mean that this user doenst have permisions? |
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| 12:47.43 | debkad | Megaf, try upgrade and reboot |
| 12:47.48 | teraflops | HelloEarth: no Im talking about your connection to the database is not allowed remotely |
| 12:47.53 | vyadhaka1 | teraflops: I had exact setup when running squeeze, with ext4, it was rock solid, just want BTRFS, for snapshots, |
| 12:48.07 | HelloEarth | but I do mysql -u snorby -p -h host |
| 12:48.12 | HelloEarth | and mysql user snorby has permisions |
| 12:48.18 | Capum321 | hello, what wrong with Unknown lvalue 'StartLimitIntervalSec' in section 'Unit' as StartLimitIntervalSec=8400 (or 2h 2min, both unknown value error) |
| 12:48.19 | Megaf | debkad: I don't think the updates will make any difference (firefox-esr iceweasel libssl1.0.0 libssl1.0.0:i386 openssl) |
| 12:48.56 | Megaf | perhaps I should just wait |
| 12:49.04 | teraflops | vyadhaka1: since that feature is not well tested I dont see the point of using btrfs, also I still dont see the advantages of LVM + btfrs, you can take snapshots too using LVM + ext4 |
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| 12:49.25 | abrotman | HelloEarth: again, #mysql would probably be more help. If you can reach the port, it's an applicatoin issue |
| 12:49.32 | msl09 | hmm it seems that indeed sudo pip3 install is broken |
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| 12:49.38 | teraflops | vyadhaka1: anyway I'm just saying |
| 12:49.48 | msl09 | not only that sudo pip3 uninstall is also broken |
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| 12:50.07 | msl09 | because it didn't remove /usr/lib/python3.4/test/ |
| 12:50.13 | debkad | msl09, what about the old pip |
| 12:50.21 | msl09 | pip2? |
| 12:50.23 | teraflops | msl09: no, you broke python because you did sudo pip install ^ |
| 12:50.25 | debkad | yeah |
| 12:50.33 | HelloEarth | I'm on #mysql channel too, thanks abrotman |
| 12:50.48 | msl09 | what do you mean teraflops ? |
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| 12:51.01 | teraflops | I told you 3 times |
| 12:51.05 | debkad | agreed sudo with pip don't seem to be a good idea |
| 12:51.12 | teraflops | never sudo pip install things! |
| 12:51.18 | msl09 | you just said that I shouldn't use it |
| 12:51.21 | Capum321 | problem with a systemd timer... unknown lvalue for StartLimitIntervalSec=8400 (or 2h 20min, both same error) |
| 12:51.30 | msl09 | you didn't explain why or gave me any sources |
| 12:51.35 | teraflops | ok |
| 12:51.37 | teraflops | :S |
| 12:51.41 | debkad | o_o |
| 12:52.13 | teraflops | msl09: then do whatever floats your goat |
| 12:52.27 | teraflops | no offense mate |
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| 12:54.52 | Capum321 | hello? |
| 12:55.02 | jmcnaught | msl09: on a Debian system only the apt/dpkg package manager should ever write to /usr/lib and /usr/bin. Other locally installed stuff should only used /usr/local or /opt. There's a good article about pip on Debian here: https://notes.pault.ag/debian-python/ |
| 12:55.33 | msl09 | but pip installs on /usr/local/bin |
| 12:55.45 | msl09 | when ran as root |
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| 12:56.17 | msl09 | oh yeah |
| 12:56.29 | msl09 | it does install on /usr/lib |
| 12:56.34 | jmcnaught | msl09: also the presence of python modules in /usr/local/bin can interfere with the system python modules, especially at upgrade time (and you are talking about /usr/lib/python3.4) |
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| 12:57.06 | jmcnaught | msl09: so never sudo pip install (for other reasons too mentioned in that article). use pip --user or use virtualenv/venv |
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| 12:58.06 | Capum321 | jmcnaught: hello! why is it happening Unknown lvalue 'StartLimitIntervalSec' in section 'Unit' when StartLimitIntervalSec=8400 (or 2h 20min, both same error) |
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| 12:58.32 | teraflops | !sillypip is <reply> never never ever sudo pip install things. https://notes.pault.ag/debian-python/ |
| 12:58.32 | dpkg | okay, teraflops |
| 12:59.04 | Flash_ | Hey guys |
| 12:59.16 | Flash_ | I had a question about using virtual boxes |
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| 13:00.16 | Flash_ | do some of the repositories have to be manually listed or written into the folder? my apt-get hasnt been working on the virtual box |
| 13:00.41 | debkad | Capum321, something wrong in your unit file |
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| 13:01.03 | ksk | Flash_: what? if you just install a debian into a virtual box, ist just like a normal debian, no differences to debian on hardware (apart from some kernel related stuff maybe..) |
| 13:01.12 | somiaj | Flash_: you can check your sources.list and see if that is the case. The two issues I can think of is you either didn't have the network up during the install and need to add proper sources.list or your virtual network for your vm isn't set up so it has internet connection. |
| 13:01.32 | jmcnaught | Capum321: i cannot find StartLimitIntervalSec in systemd.directives(7) |
| 13:01.44 | Flash_ | yeah, somethings definitely wrong w/ it - I don't think it's bashing stuff like sudo apt-get upadate && apt-get upgrade -y |
| 13:01.54 | Capum321 | debkad not the unit section? |
| 13:02.03 | Capum321 | jmcnaught: it's a unit directive |
| 13:02.12 | Capum321 | wait |
| 13:03.06 | Flash_ | just turned the vb back on |
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| 13:03.14 | jmcnaught | Capum321: refer to the systemd docs on your computer. the ones online may contain newer features not present in jessie |
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| 13:03.30 | Capum321 | i see |
| 13:03.33 | Capum321 | wait |
| 13:03.38 | debkad | there is DefaultStartLimitIntervalSec but per-services there is StartLimitIntervalSec no idea what could one of them |
| 13:04.05 | Flash_ | one sec |
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| 13:04.16 | debkad | we give you 2 sec |
| 13:04.30 | debkad | time out |
| 13:05.06 | Capum321 | jmcnaught: you're right it's is StartLimitInterval |
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| 13:06.27 | Flash_ | in debian where does linux keep it's repositories for apt-get |
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| 13:06.34 | Flash_ | which files? |
| 13:07.19 | debkad | /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 13:07.31 | Flash_ | thank you |
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| 13:08.01 | debkad | if you mean the .deb files that can be found in /var/cache i think |
| 13:08.30 | debkad | in /var/cache/apt/archives/ to be specific |
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| 13:10.37 | Flash_ | stay |
| 13:10.46 | debkad | or die |
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| 13:10.56 | Flash_ | ^-^ |
| 13:11.01 | debkad | :) |
| 13:11.09 | vyadhaka1 | when installing with LUKS on a single disk, there are 2 partitions 1 /boot and 2 LUKS, the bootable flag option when partitioning disks goes on which one? |
| 13:11.45 | kbob | hello, to install from a usb stick on amd64 (desktop) is this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso ok? |
| 13:11.56 | jelly | kbob: yes |
| 13:12.02 | kbob | thanks |
| 13:12.19 | debkad | with ethernet of course |
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| 13:12.57 | SwedeMike | vyadhaka1: if you install grub to MBA, I don't think it matters. |
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| 13:13.11 | debkad | MBR |
| 13:13.28 | vyadhaka1 | yep will be using grub and it's MBR, so is it only for GPT? |
| 13:13.28 | Flash_ | yeah my sources list has nothing in it :/ |
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| 13:13.41 | debkad | it is not recommended to install grub to the partition but to the disk |
| 13:13.53 | SwedeMike | vyadhaka1: from what I remember, bootable flag is used by the old msdos MBR, it's not used by grub. |
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| 13:14.04 | vyadhaka1 | ah ok |
| 13:14.47 | debkad | Flash_, tell me more what you want to look for |
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| 13:15.21 | Flash_ | Okay so if I add deb http://http.kali.org/kali kali-rolling main contrib non-free to my sources list running kali 2.0 gnome is this deb gonna mess up my Virtual Box? |
| 13:15.50 | teraflops | Capum321: you better `man systemd.unit` jessie uses systemd 215 as jmcnaught said |
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| 13:16.04 | debkad | it doesn't look as a good idea but if so you can add it to sources.list |
| 13:16.11 | ksk | Flash_: are you using debian, or kali linux? |
| 13:16.22 | Flash_ | I'm using kali linux |
| 13:16.27 | ksk | !based on debian |
| 13:16.27 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 13:16.28 | debkad | oh |
| 13:16.47 | vyadhaka1 | when choosing btrfs, does it always create the home subvolume? |
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| 13:17.26 | debkad | Flash_, /msg alis list kali |
| 13:17.33 | debkad | choose the one you like |
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| 13:17.46 | vyadhaka1 | or do I have to create a separate logical volume for it? |
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| 13:19.06 | teraflops | vyadhaka1: no it never creates subvolumes |
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| 13:19.28 | teraflops | vyadhaka1: you have to explicitly create them |
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| 13:20.09 | vyadhaka1 | teraflops: I installed ubuntu and it had by default @home? Just curious |
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| 13:20.20 | teraflops | vyadhaka1: well go ask ubuntu |
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| 13:20.56 | teraflops | vyadhaka1: debian does not even support btrfs+subvols setup on the installer |
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| 13:23.10 | teraflops | also lvm + btrfs features overlaps, aaaand im repeating myself so I return to idling |
| 13:23.34 | kubrickdave | has anyone any idea on how to get widevine to work on debian firefox 49? |
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| 13:25.34 | jelly | kubrickdave: which debian release are you using? firefox from backports or testing or unstable or...? |
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| 13:25.59 | kubrickdave | jelly: i use stretch with firefox package pinned from unstable. |
| 13:26.02 | AndreeeCZ | hi! what's the best way to install debian without any DE? just console |
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| 13:26.10 | jelly | kubrickdave: try asking in |
| 13:26.14 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 13:26.14 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:26.47 | kubrickdave | jelly: i'm sorry. i forgot about that. thanks. :) |
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| 13:31.30 | Algebr` | I downlaoded the 650mbish debian-1.iso, where is the full blown big ISO that has gnome and everything already on it |
| 13:31.54 | Algebr` | I figured out my earlier issue, it was because debian had a old dhcp thing and the router was not dhcp backwards compatibile |
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| 13:38.52 | stoned | Good morning |
| 13:39.03 | stoned | any tips on cleaning system to free up space? |
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| 13:39.40 | stoned | /dev/sda4 56G 56G 194M 100% /home |
| 13:39.55 | stoned | It's a small SSD |
| 13:40.15 | abrotman | uhm, that's your $HOME, clean it up |
| 13:40.23 | abrotman | you sohuld know what oyu can delete |
| 13:40.33 | abrotman | (if you need space right now, maybe browser cache) |
| 13:40.39 | stoned | Well, apart from that, cache stuffs, and/or temp stuffs about browsers, or other apps? |
| 13:40.59 | abrotman | We don't know which apps you use, but gnome-ish things seem to like to put things in ~/.cache/ |
| 13:41.05 | stoned | ah |
| 13:41.06 | kubrickdave | stoned: you could use bleachbit. it's in the repos. |
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| 13:41.09 | teraflops | stoned: ncdu! |
| 13:41.13 | stoned | will do |
| 13:41.24 | stoned | teraflops: hey there :) ok nice |
| 13:41.29 | Mahe | stoned: if your are running a desktop environment try baobab (gtk) or filelight (qt), those tools can show you where the most space is wasted and by which files/folders |
| 13:41.30 | teraflops | stoned: o/ |
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| 13:41.42 | stoned | Oh word, good idea. |
| 13:41.51 | Capum321 | how to specify a user to run a service from systemd? |
| 13:41.52 | stoned | That would help a bit more visually than df/du |
| 13:42.07 | teraflops | ncdu is better for stoned I have that feeling |
| 13:42.08 | Mahe | they do show nice pie charts |
| 13:42.18 | Flashtek | stoned: personally I use 'du -sh' but that's just how I roll |
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| 13:42.33 | stoned | *nod* Thanks guys.brb |
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| 13:45.38 | teraflops | for the record: I said ncdu is better for stoned because he uses xmonad |
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| 13:51.45 | sine0 | does anyone know a free dropbox type of system i can use on my command line headless debia boxes to backup the /etc/ confs and all that jazz |
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| 13:53.42 | teraflops | sine0: free as in you host the server? |
| 13:54.48 | Mahe | sine0: you could use git on a private bitbucket repo I guess |
| 13:54.51 | teraflops | sine0: git the dotfiles sounds to me better idea than using dropbox |
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| 13:55.29 | Mahe | or simply on a public github repo if it's nothing confidential |
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| 13:56.45 | teraflops | well using pigeons for carrying usb flash drives sounds better than dropbox to me |
| 13:56.52 | teraflops | sorry ^ |
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| 13:58.13 | triger__ | how to show a process 's detail infomation,such as memory size? top can just show the pecentage of memory. |
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| 13:58.37 | triger__ | how to show a process 's detail infomation,such as memory size? top can just show the pecentage of memory. |
| 13:58.50 | bezaban | triger__: top shows it all :) VIRT/RES/SHR |
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| 13:59.08 | triger__ | ??? |
| 13:59.26 | triger__ | how to show? |
| 13:59.40 | bezaban | triger__: it's there in the default config on debian |
| 14:00.22 | triger__ | just input top ? |
| 14:00.44 | bezaban | yeah, top and shift+m to sort by memory usage if you like |
| 14:01.53 | triger__ | oh |
| 14:01.56 | triger__ | I saw |
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| 14:03.14 | triger__ | but I malloc 15G, top's VIRT is 1242m, RWE is 1.0g |
| 14:03.31 | triger__ | seems not right |
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| 14:06.34 | triger__ | ?? |
| 14:08.08 | Megaf | I still can't make my touchpad work again =/ This is the last thing I tried. http://askubuntu.com/questions/367701/touchpad-stopped-working-out-of-the-blue And this is some information on my touchpad http://paste.debian.net/plain/836457 |
| 14:08.17 | Megaf | Tried this too http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=129031 |
| 14:08.17 | teraflops | linux is eating my ram again? |
| 14:08.31 | Megaf | teraflops: goodle that |
| 14:08.33 | Megaf | google* |
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| 14:08.46 | Megaf | teraflops: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 14:09.02 | teraflops | Megaf: no. tell triger__to Google that |
| 14:09.24 | Megaf | ok, triger__ http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 14:09.38 | Megaf | teraflops: now help me with my touchpad |
| 14:10.01 | teraflops | ^ |
| 14:10.02 | Megaf | used to work fine on previous version of Debian with Kernel 3.x and with 4.x it worked almost fine |
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| 14:10.15 | Megaf | now it doesnt work at all |
| 14:10.45 | teraflops | Megaf: sorry i can't |
| 14:10.46 | Megaf | funny thing, and sad thing, it doesnt work on Win10 either. It works in the "BIOS", so no hardware related issue |
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| 14:25.50 | boxrick1 | I have an interactive install with apt-get I would like to set some options on, does anyone know how I set this before I install the package? |
| 14:26.00 | boxrick1 | Since this will be ran in some config management tools |
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| 14:28.07 | MeanEYE | boxrick1, give me a moment. |
| 14:28.37 | MeanEYE | https://github.com/Way2CU/Caracal-Site/blob/master/provision.sh#L15-L27 |
| 14:28.47 | MeanEYE | boxrick1, ^ example for phpmyadmin and mysql server. |
| 14:29.07 | boxrick1 | Oh ok, so you use debconf-set-selections |
| 14:29.11 | somiaj | boxrick1: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/106552/apt-get-install-without-debconf-prompt |
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| 14:29.14 | MeanEYE | That's what I used. |
| 14:29.14 | somiaj | yea somethign like that |
| 14:29.24 | boxrick1 | How would I list all the options of a package? |
| 14:29.45 | jmcnaught | boxrick1: debconf(7) has the background information on it. debconf-get-selections and debconf-show to see the knobs |
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| 14:30.26 | boxrick1 | Ok awesome seems to be exactly what I need |
| 14:30.29 | boxrick1 | cheers guys :) |
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| 14:33.35 | user133 | hi, I have modified LD_LIBRARY_PATH within /etc/profile.d/script.sh . Why this variable is setted only within text terminal, not in KDE terminal? Used Debian 8 |
| 14:34.50 | greycat | user133: http://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
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| 14:38.01 | boxrick1 | So in my case my debconf-show is * rancid/warning: |
| 14:38.01 | boxrick1 | * rancid/go_on: true |
| 14:38.20 | boxrick1 | So id assume echo rancid rancid/go_on true | debconf-set-selections should do the trick |
| 14:38.54 | boxrick1 | Orr do I need to say bool true |
| 14:39.07 | jmcnaught | boxrick1: if you're using config management software there could be a debconf module. ansible has one for example. |
| 14:39.40 | boxrick1 | In this case I am using Ansible so ill have to check that out |
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| 14:40.13 | jmcnaught | boxrick1: definitely use modules over scripts and commands as much as possible with ansible |
| 14:40.31 | boxrick1 | Of course, but I need to understand what it is doing first :) |
| 14:40.51 | boxrick1 | In this case, looking at that module instantly makes sense after looking through the above you showed |
| 14:41.35 | jmcnaught | boxrick1: what debconf-get-selections outputs can be used as input for debconf-set-selections |
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| 14:59.23 | rly | How can I see whether I/O errors are potentially caused by the wiring and not by the I/O device itself? E.g. signal loss over SATA connections, etc. |
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| 15:01.56 | user133 | greycat: Xsession.d/script does not work. The curios thing is: I set other variables in profile.d, too. These are existing. Only the LD_LIBRARY_PATH may be overwritten... |
| 15:02.36 | greycat | user133: if you want to configure your environment and you use a display manager (GUI login), then you should be editing ~/.xsessionrc which you will probably have to create. |
| 15:02.40 | rattking | rly: I would start by looking at the smart data.. and check udma crc error count and pending reallocated sectors |
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| 15:03.11 | rly | rattking: pending reallocated sectors is high, but none have ever been reallocated. |
| 15:03.47 | rattking | I think that means you have real surface defects and not a cabling error |
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| 15:05.15 | rly | rattking: multi-zone errors is at 226. |
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| 15:05.44 | rly | rattking: OK, so I should just overwrite this disk with random data and replace it. |
| 15:06.27 | rattking | or start reading it off with ddrescuse if you need anythign on it |
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| 15:08.50 | jhutchins | rly: Cable connections should usually be the first thing you check - easy enough to do - but if you're seeing a steady increase in bad sectors it's a sign the drive is failing. |
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| 15:10.22 | cwesterfield | After and update and a reboot, my turnkey debian install no longer works with openvpn |
| 15:10.23 | cwesterfield | Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: No such device (errno=19) |
| 15:10.37 | rly | jhutchins: I have one of these HDD to USB devices and when I tried to lvs, it wasn't even able to find the volume. |
| 15:11.06 | rly | jhutchins: I am just lucky that via a different SATA port and power port it worked again (but with some errors). |
| 15:11.33 | rly | jhutchins: in vertical orientation I got ata soft resets. |
| 15:11.43 | teraflops | cwesterfield: excuse my ignorance, what's turnkey? |
| 15:11.59 | jelly | cwesterfield: if you installed from Turnkey installer, you're using the turnkey derivative, not Debian, and have to ask for support in #turnkey channel |
| 15:12.27 | teraflops | cwesterfield: nvm |
| 15:12.35 | cwesterfield | https://www.turnkeylinux.org/core |
| 15:12.36 | jelly | cwesterfield: but that channel doesn't seem to exist any more |
| 15:12.36 | cwesterfield | ohh |
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| 15:13.17 | cwesterfield | yikes, its a bit barren :) |
| 15:13.33 | jelly | they _say_ it's on freenode https://www.turnkeylinux.org/irc but it seems abandoned |
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| 15:14.33 | cwesterfield | dunno if its helpful, but heres dmesg |
| 15:14.36 | cwesterfield | [220500.941917] tun: Unknown symbol __sk_detach_filter (err 0) |
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| 15:14.54 | cwesterfield | all my google searches make me feel like its a kernel issue |
| 15:15.33 | cwesterfield | uname -r |
| 15:15.33 | cwesterfield | 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 15:15.59 | jelly | cwesterfield: that usually means you forgot to reboot after the last kernel upgrade |
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| 15:16.13 | iamawesome | Hi, which vpn software is used for debian? For example, hotspot shield for windows. |
| 15:16.28 | cwesterfield | yeah i found that on a few google results, but i have rebooted many times |
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| 15:17.08 | rly | cwesterfield: instead of trying to debug this, just accept that turnkey was a failure and install Debian (or something else which is more main stream). |
| 15:17.13 | jelly | cwesterfield: _technically_ it means the booted kernel and the kernel modules on disk do not match. Since turnkey seems to be some sort of live image, it's possible it boots an older kernel |
| 15:17.26 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 15:17.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.4-2); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2) |
| 15:17.38 | teraflops | iamawesome: use openvpn or use IPSEC or use tinc or use whetever floats your goat |
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| 15:18.24 | jelly | cwesterfield: in any case, it's an issue specific for turnkey and you should try to find where turnkey devs reside and ask them about this issue, and the correct way to upgrade kernels _if_ it's possible at all |
| 15:18.35 | cwesterfield | rgr that |
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| 15:19.22 | cwesterfield | best place for unmolested debian vm templates/images? |
| 15:19.33 | cwesterfield | I'm gonna fork my fix into two paths |
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| 15:23.05 | jelly | mmm, I'm not sure debian has official vm images yet. There was talk about it |
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| 15:23.45 | cwesterfield | well i can install from the iso if i gotta, no biggie |
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| 15:28.33 | jhutchins | cwesterfield: That's your best bet, there aren't any official projects, just third party sites. |
| 15:28.42 | cwesterfield | rgr that |
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| 15:29.08 | cwesterfield | for the rest of my tkl boxes, I'll do a backup before i updgrade |
| 15:29.10 | cwesterfield | live and learn |
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| 15:34.10 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. After installing the Samba 4 security update that upgraded Samba to 4.2, users on Windows machines are unable to change their passwords. How can I find out why? |
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| 15:35.41 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: the samba security update to 4.2 was a version bump. You may have to go modify your samba configurations |
| 15:36.29 | somiaj | !jessie samba |
| 15:36.29 | dpkg | A security update in jessie upgrades Samba to 4.2. The NEWS.Debian.gz file has some errors. See <http://bugs.debian.org/820983> for the correct instructions. Win XP clients use NTLM by default; to switch them to NTLMv2 you will need admin, and follow <https://www.imss.caltech.edu/node/396> depending on which XP it is. |
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| 15:36.49 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: check the files in /usr/share/doc/samba it seems about this and possible fixes. |
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| 15:49.48 | iamawesome | Hi, what's the benifit of using latest linux kernel? |
| 15:49.51 | iamawesome | The system kernel is older here |
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| 15:50.06 | greycat | Usually you would only switch kernels if you need it for hardware support. |
| 15:50.34 | Ke | iamawesome: loads of new features and bugfixes, in general you stick to distro kernel, unless you know otherwise |
| 15:50.34 | greycat | In a few *rare* cases, someone may want to develop or use a program that needs some new kernel feature that isn't just a hardware driver. |
| 15:51.34 | Ke | some kernel subsystems are very lazy to backport bugfixes |
| 15:51.48 | Ke | like btrfs |
| 15:52.00 | SynrGy | ,kernels |
| 15:52.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.4-2); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2) |
| 15:52.03 | Ke | it's moderately better now |
| 15:52.18 | SynrGy | note that if you want a later kernel in debian, you can usually get "fairly recent" from jessie-backports |
| 15:52.50 | jhutchins | Also note that a Debian kernel is not the same as a kernel.org kernel with a similar version number. |
| 15:52.56 | SynrGy | then you have the best of both worlds, all of the above, plus support from the distro (though as with all things backports, there's no official security support) |
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| 15:53.42 | SynrGy | not to say that security patching isn't done, but it's "best effort" (which with the debian kernel team has always been good enough for me; ymmv) |
| 15:53.50 | Ke | anyway, most of the time switching between kernels is easy, if the kernel doesn't break anything |
| 15:54.14 | bmomjian | Any idea what this tcpdump output line means? 01:80:c2:00:00:01 (oui Unknown) > Broadcast, ethertype Unknown (0x8874), length 60: |
| 15:54.54 | jhutchins | bmomjian: Without thorough knowledge of your network it's pretty meaningless. |
| 15:55.11 | jhutchins | bmomjian: I would guess it's a bad packet from something on your network. |
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| 15:55.35 | bmomjian | oh, a bad packet, hmm |
| 15:56.12 | bmomjian | I did reflectometer test the wires; maybe it is an ethernet collision |
| 15:56.15 | SynrGy | as for "oui Unknown" that may just be an incomplete OUI table: http://seclists.org/tcpdump/2014/q4/21 |
| 15:56.40 | SynrGy | ethertype unknown has the look of a junky packet though :) |
| 15:56.43 | greycat | Well, you can use the MAC to see who's sending it. |
| 15:56.49 | greycat | That's where my knowledge ends. |
| 15:56.55 | bmomjian | It says that is the "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_flow_control" mac address |
| 15:56.59 | bmomjian | not something on my network |
| 15:58.10 | SynrGy | also, maybe ##networking could give better insight for questions like this |
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| 15:58.21 | SynrGy | it's kinda off-topic for here |
| 15:58.25 | bmomjian | I just don't know what layer that flow control is on; Good point on #networking; I will ask there. Thanks. |
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| 15:58.34 | SynrGy | bmomjian: two hashes |
| 15:58.45 | SynrGy | ##networking, not #networking |
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| 15:59.04 | bmomjian | interesting Pidgin allows you to enter one but the connected channel has two #. |
| 15:59.15 | Pegasus_RPG | somiaj: thank you |
| 15:59.15 | teraflops | not only pidgin |
| 15:59.15 | SynrGy | maybe a redirect |
| 15:59.16 | bmomjian | I was not aware there was a networking channel. Thanks. |
| 15:59.28 | SynrGy | (i.e. implemented by the network) |
| 15:59.44 | SynrGy | errr, "the network" == freenode :) |
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| 16:08.12 | jhutchins | It's not too common for an irc server to have foo, #foo, and ##foo channels. I can think of a couple of instances where there are both #foo and ##foo, but usually on different networks. |
| 16:08.36 | greycat | Freenode isn't common, then. |
| 16:08.40 | jhutchins | Of course, it's entirely up to the irc network to decide what criteria qualify for the distinction. |
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| 16:09.07 | jhutchins | greycat: Example? |
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| 16:10.36 | greycat | I can't think of any right now, but the *intent* of lilo's ## madness was that #foo would be the "official support channel" for foo, under control by a developer of foo, and ##foo would be anything else, not under the control of a developer of foo. |
| 16:11.18 | SynrGy | ## is to freenode as alt is to usenet |
| 16:11.23 | greycat | So in theory there could be both. In practice I think most groups chose one or the other. |
| 16:11.39 | jhutchins | #foo may also simply be acknowledged by a project as an official support medium. |
| 16:11.42 | SynrGy | if you get this, you may be a dinosaur. and oops, this is better suited to #debian-offtopic :) |
| 16:12.09 | jhutchins | SynrGy: Rawr. |
| 16:12.09 | Iridos | and in practice some channels pre-date the ##/# rule |
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| 16:12.48 | greycat | Almost all of the channel predate the ## madness. Not all of them went along with it. |
| 16:12.54 | greycat | Thus you have #awk but ##sed for example. |
| 16:13.02 | SynrGy | and i still have #coffee :) |
| 16:13.57 | Iridos | pft. I bet you s till have #xpilot |
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| 16:14.26 | SynrGy | well, that was still sorta ... semi-official ... ish |
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| 16:14.54 | SynrGy | i.e. i was friends with bert and dick (neither of whom really cared about irc) and think they knew about the channel |
| 16:14.54 | Iridos | it was like having an "it's complicated" on facebook |
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| 16:34.13 | kang0 | Anyone from Europe? |
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| 16:35.10 | TomTomTosch | maybe one or two^^ |
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| 16:35.59 | kang0 | You? |
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| 16:37.10 | greycat | !ask |
| 16:37.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:39.08 | zuiss1 | firefox 49 was released on the 20th. usually it only takes a day for mozilla.debian.net to package it but i haven't gotten an update. anyone know if it's coming? |
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| 16:53.49 | martman | anyone have any experience with preseed files? i keep getting gnome installed when i want a more barebones install. im using this |
| 16:53.50 | martman | d-i tasksel/first multiselect standard, ssh-server |
| 16:53.56 | martman | and im not sure why |
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| 16:56.16 | AuroraX | I am losing my wlan0 Internet connection when I set the eth0 interface up | this is my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/F5TyfZpC |
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| 16:59.51 | jhutchins | AuroraX: Check dmesg | less and see if it explains anything. |
| 17:00.03 | jhutchins | How are you bringing up eth0? |
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| 17:03.24 | AuroraX | ifconfig eth0 up |
| 17:03.34 | AuroraX | actually, at boot they both start up'ed |
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| 17:07.48 | gebruiker | is there a way to get unity on debian stable ? |
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| 17:09.29 | prettyprincess | Investigate "THE HOLOCAUST" |
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| 17:09.59 | prettyprincess | âThe reason people are silenced is not because they speak falsely, but because they speak the truth. This is because if people speak falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used against them â except force.â |
| 17:10.10 | greycat | Please keep it on topic. |
| 17:10.27 | prettyprincess | "Holohoax" |
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| 17:11.48 | gebruiker | is there ATI proprietary support in debian stable? |
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| 17:12.07 | knucklebug | greycat: have these trolls been here for a long time? i only just started frequenting this channel and it seems like some jerk somes in every day... |
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| 17:12.21 | greycat | Seems to be an ongoing thing. |
| 17:12.25 | knucklebug | -_- |
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| 17:13.37 | `Kevin | gebruiker: ? https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
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| 17:17.59 | gebruiker | `Kevin, any information about how to get unity working ? |
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| 17:19.19 | jmcnaught | gebruiker: do you mean the ubuntu window manager, or the game platform? |
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| 17:19.39 | gebruiker | jmcnaught, the ubuntu window manager, I would love to have it running again |
| 17:20.29 | jmcnaught | gebruiker: from what i remember unity depends on custom changes to GTK that only exist in ubuntu. gnome-shell is similar, you might find you like it better after a while |
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| 17:20.39 | jhutchins | !unity |
| 17:20.39 | dpkg | Unity is a shell interface for <GNOME>, part of the Ayatana project. <RFP> filed as Debian bug #609278. http://unity.ubuntu.com/ |
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| 17:23.06 | gebruiker | jmcnaught, never heard of gnome-shell, is it like minimal gnome? Does it havge the title bars of an app like on unity or mac os x? |
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| 17:24.43 | jmcnaught | gebruiker: gnome-shell is what comes with GNOME 3, Ubuntu replaced it with a pale imitation called Unity. The menus are not on the top of the screen, they are per-window. |
| 17:24.44 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: i believe unity also still depends on compiz |
| 17:24.45 | jhutchins | gebruiker: I think it's just how they refer to the desktop/window manager itself as opposed to all of the other arms of the project. |
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| 17:25.30 | gebruiker | jhutchins, oh okay it is just gnome then :) |
| 17:25.39 | jhutchins | gebruiker: I've also heard that term for what you get if you have gnome but not 3D. |
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| 17:26.22 | gebruiker | jhutchins, last time I installed debian, the fonts where not so pleasant to look at in comparison with ubuntu. I have no idea how to get ubuntu like rendering working on debian |
| 17:27.07 | teraflops | gebruiker: it depends on the DE youre using, so I have no idea what are you referring to |
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| 17:27.48 | teraflops | gebruiker: e.g gnome does its things, if you do WM you're on your own |
| 17:28.14 | gebruiker | teraflops, I apologise for lack of being specific, but on my ubuntu install, browsing the web was a nice experience in terms of how the fonts where displayed, then when on debian they are unpleasant |
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| 17:28.32 | gebruiker | teraflops, ah ok so with gnome it will be similar? |
| 17:29.03 | teraflops | not suere I never used ubuntu, that's not a bad or a good thing is just I never used it |
| 17:29.10 | teraflops | sure* |
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| 17:30.22 | jmcnaught | gebruiker: are you having this font problem right now? |
| 17:30.43 | teraflops | gebruiker: so take a look at /etc/fonts/ dir and play with the symlinks, or better make your own config at ~/. also dependinf in the font families youre using you may want to setup hinting stile and so on |
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| 17:32.58 | babilen | gebruiker: *If* you have issues with your font: Run "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" and select "Autohinter", "Automatic", |
| 17:33.08 | babilen | "No" |
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| 17:33.26 | teraflops | autohinter is for non ttf fonts though |
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| 17:34.06 | teraflops | that's what I said "depending on the font families youre using" |
| 17:34.09 | babilen | you'd then see if it looks nicer .. |
| 17:34.16 | teraflops | yeah babilen |
| 17:34.40 | babilen | It's typically just that switch, but you shouldn't do it *if* you don't have a problem |
| 17:34.43 | babilen | Worth a try though |
| 17:35.02 | teraflops | gebruiker: so perhaps ubuntu ships aditional fontconfig presets, just guessing |
| 17:35.13 | teraflops | babilen: definitely yes |
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| 17:35.58 | babilen | I use DejaVu * quite extensively so stick to "Native" |
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| 17:36.16 | teraflops | anyway what I know is people are sooo picky with the *fonts* |
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| 17:37.09 | greycat | They are. I've seen people ranting and screaming about how screenshot1 is so much uglier than screenshot2 and when I look at them I either can't see a difference at all, or find screenshot2 marginally better. |
| 17:38.05 | unborn | :) |
| 17:38.16 | babilen | I can tell a difference and totally get it when people say "It's not quite right", but it is still marginal |
| 17:38.40 | babilen | And the above is an easy test that allows you to go from "acceptable" to "nice" |
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| 17:39.05 | teraflops | new upstream fontconfig rendering changed recently so there is a real effor for making fonts look better under linux |
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| 17:39.29 | teraflops | s/freetype |
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| 17:39.59 | teraflops | heck ttf is a small language |
| 17:40.41 | teraflops | truetype. |
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| 17:47.18 | est31 | hi i want to download a package from debian |
| 17:47.22 | est31 | because ubuntu doesnt have it |
| 17:47.36 | est31 | i dont really care about apt source list and stuff like that |
| 17:47.49 | est31 | I just want the deb file and then let dpkg do its job |
| 17:48.01 | teraflops | go grab it then |
| 17:48.11 | est31 | https://packages.debian.org/sid/libqt4-private-dev |
| 17:48.18 | est31 | has 404 in the mirrors |
| 17:48.22 | jhutchins | I've gotten a lot more accepting of distribution defaults. Otherwise, you spend a lot of time and effort customizing your system, and then the next release is incompatible with the most important part, or you switch machines and nothings's where you expect it. |
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| 17:49.13 | est31 | mhh it seems to be arm only |
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| 17:49.30 | jhutchins | est31: You're planning on installing a debian sid package on Ubuntu? |
| 17:50.15 | est31 | mhh probably not a good idea to use unstable |
| 17:50.32 | `Kevin | est31: you see that dep: right? click on that.. |
| 17:50.38 | greycat | est31: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/ |
| 17:50.43 | `Kevin | lol. |
| 17:51.43 | greycat | Version: 4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3+deb8u1 |
| 17:51.53 | greycat | Holy hell. What a version number. |
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| 17:53.19 | est31 | doesnt work, version conflict |
| 17:53.28 | est31 | and I dont really want to force here |
| 17:53.32 | `Kevin | exactly |
| 17:54.08 | greycat | Neither ubuntu nor sid is on topic here, so you're kinda on your own. |
| 17:54.23 | est31 | I just want to compile some arcane tool from qt, which uses that thing... |
| 17:54.57 | est31 | mhh I think I had a vm with debian, no? |
| 17:55.08 | est31 | leaves and tries on the debian vm |
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| 18:03.21 | zfe | hello |
| 18:03.27 | zfe | anybody with a macbook air and using debian? |
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| 18:05.49 | jmcnaught | zfe: if you're having a problem and ask a detailed question, people without macbooks will maybe be able to help. Also check out https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple |
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| 18:07.04 | zfe | thanks jmcnaught |
| 18:07.08 | zfe | just wanted a feedback |
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| 18:13.51 | Prutheus | hey all, just a question. Okay listen: is it possible to make a square fading animation in compton? |
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| 18:22.16 | Prutheus | with squares i mean not fading in the whole window at once, but from every edge into the middle |
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| 18:39.35 | Emil | Hey |
| 18:39.41 | Emil | How can I change the default network inteface? |
| 18:39.47 | Emil | interface* |
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| 18:40.04 | greycat | There isn't a default interface. There is a default route. |
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| 18:41.20 | jhutchins | Prutheus: That's not really a Debian question, it's a compton question. |
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| 18:56.00 | Emil | Hmm, okay |
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| 18:56.08 | Emil | greycat: can you help with that, then? |
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| 18:56.36 | Emil | I have a server where eth0 is dodgy but eth1 works flawlessly |
| 18:57.05 | greycat | Stop putting the cable in eth0. |
| 18:57.22 | greycat | Or, if possible, replace the interface eth0 with one that's not broken. |
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| 19:00.10 | jhutchins | Emil: How do you have them configured? |
| 19:00.36 | jhutchins | Emil: How did you set them up? |
| 19:00.52 | Emil | greycat: well, a good point |
| 19:00.59 | Emil | not connecting the cable to the other |
| 19:01.10 | Emil | jhutchins: They are as they came from the installation |
| 19:01.38 | Prutheus | jhutchins: and where do i get help for compton? |
| 19:02.11 | greycat | /msg alis list *compton* |
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| 19:03.19 | jhutchins | Prutheus: Project web page might be in the docs /usr/share/doc/compton* - possibly a README file. |
| 19:03.34 | jhutchins | Prutheus: Or, y'know, Google. |
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| 19:04.47 | jhutchins | Emil: I would say just define eth1 in /etc/interfaces and comment out anything for eth0. Make sure your default gateway is defined as being on eth1. |
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| 19:04.57 | jhutchins | Emil: In fact, that last should probably be enough. |
| 19:05.17 | Prutheus | jhutchins: can't find any info about this in both, man pages or google |
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| 19:05.39 | jhutchins | Prutheus: Sorry, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:05.53 | jhutchins | Emil: Sorry, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:07.23 | jhutchins | ,info compton |
| 19:07.23 | frikinz | If /tmp doesn't appear in mount it means that it's not in RAM right? |
| 19:07.24 | judd | Package compton (x11, extra) in jessie/amd64: compositor for X11, based on xcompmgr. Version: 0.1~beta2-1; Size: 84.6k; Installed: 253k; Homepage: https://github.com/chjj/compton |
| 19:07.40 | jhutchins | Prutheus: See above from judd |
| 19:07.59 | Prutheus | jhutchins: what to see there? o.O |
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| 19:08.05 | greycat | frikinz: you can also run "df /tmp" to see if it's an independent file system, or part of / |
| 19:08.27 | jhutchins | Prutheus: Gee, how about where it says Homepage: |
| 19:08.28 | frikinz | greycat: smart |
| 19:08.34 | Prutheus | jhutchins: there is nowhere written how to made an other fadein animation |
| 19:09.07 | frikinz | So its part of / meaning I have to move my movies to be able to compile :) |
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| 19:12.50 | jhutchins | Prutheus: xcompmgr may be more completely documented, but if you're going to mess with things at this level you're going to have to be more resourceful. |
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| 19:13.11 | Prutheus | jhutchins: what do you mean with resourceful? |
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| 19:16.01 | hanshenrik | ,v btrfs-progs |
| 19:16.02 | judd | Package: btrfs-progs on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.6.1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.7.1-1; sid: 4.7.3-1 |
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| 19:16.17 | hanshenrik | ,v btrfs-tools |
| 19:16.18 | judd | Package: btrfs-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.19+20120328-7.1; wheezy-backports: 3.17-1.1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.17-1.1; jessie-backports: 4.6.1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.7.1-1; sid: 4.7.3-1 |
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| 19:18.36 | RoyK | hanshenrik: does anyone really use btrfs in production yet? |
| 19:18.46 | greycat | I'm sure someone does. |
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| 19:19.50 | hanshenrik | RoyK, well yes, on an email server |
| 19:20.07 | hanshenrik | due to its compress=lzo feature |
| 19:20.23 | RoyK | doesn't btrfs support lz4? |
| 19:20.27 | hanshenrik | no |
| 19:20.41 | hanshenrik | there's a patch for lz4, but it hasn't been accepted |
| 19:20.50 | RoyK | pitty - I've been using lz4 for years with zfs and it's very good |
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| 19:21.28 | RoyK | s/pitty/pity/ |
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| 19:22.13 | hanshenrik | according to btrfs devs, lzo is just as good as lz4 when compressing... X-bytes chunks independently, or something like that, so they dont even see the need :o |
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| 19:22.27 | hanshenrik | but the real problem is |
| 19:22.30 | hanshenrik | an on-disk format thing |
| 19:22.44 | hanshenrik | that just kinda support 2 different kinds of compressions, i think |
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| 19:22.59 | hanshenrik | so it'd be a on-disk-format break to introduce a 3rd compression option, i think |
| 19:23.10 | hanshenrik | ... but google it, im not sure on the details |
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| 19:24.05 | hanshenrik | (maybe the compression type is a single bit? 0=zlib 1=lzo? dunno :p ) |
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| 19:32.25 | CtrlC | Hi there, I have a python script that I want to create a service based on. Here's my .service file: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ad8ebf6e/ and it gives me " (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)" in the status. |
| 19:32.40 | CtrlC | the bot.py have a shebang to the python. |
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| 19:33.48 | CtrlC | (the unit file is just 6 lines) |
| 19:33.55 | Ke | hanshenrik: even a single bit is break in on disk format |
| 19:34.29 | Ke | hanshenrik: the real wins would come from compressing the whole extent at once, not block at once |
| 19:34.57 | greycat | CtrlC: start with "systemctl status yourservice" to see if there are any useful error messages |
| 19:34.59 | Ke | hanshenrik: also this is #debian, not #btrfs |
| 19:35.12 | greycat | Also you have misspelled Description |
| 19:35.16 | CtrlC | greycat, I got that error from there. |
| 19:35.37 | tom99 | you can make servcies in perl or python? |
| 19:35.43 | tom99 | whoaaaaaaa *mind blown* |
| 19:35.56 | Ke | why not |
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| 19:36.03 | digdilem | there are lots of them |
| 19:36.03 | hanshenrik | Ke, absolutely. was just talking about it since RoyK said it was a pitty that btrfs didn't support lz4 |
| 19:36.09 | greycat | It can be any executable program, including shebang scripts. |
| 19:36.19 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: did you run systemct status as root or user? As user it probably won't show you journal/log entries |
| 19:36.27 | hanshenrik | Ke, can you confirm or deny that there's a disk format issue in implementing a 3rd compression tho? |
| 19:36.38 | CtrlC | jmcnaught, I ran everything with sudo. |
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| 19:37.12 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: do bot.py not report errors? |
| 19:37.18 | Ke | hanshenrik: I can confirm that adding a new format is definitely a new incompat flag and thus on disk format change |
| 19:37.43 | CtrlC | jmcnaught, The bot itself works. I didn't implement any log system for it though if that's what you ask. |
| 19:37.55 | hanshenrik | Ke, yeah thanks ^^ remember reading something about that. |
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| 19:38.44 | CtrlC | It works now! It seems fixing the typo solved it. Thanks guys. |
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| 19:38.51 | debkad | CtrlC, what making the bot fail is a syntax inside the .py and that could be on #python |
| 19:38.58 | debkad | good |
| 19:38.59 | sl4v3 | hey everyone. |
| 19:39.08 | debkad | hi sl4v3 |
| 19:39.10 | sl4v3 | i rebaked a docker image that extends from debian jessie. |
| 19:39.14 | sl4v3 | debkad: *smooch* |
| 19:39.17 | barteks2x | Anyone knows how to use NBD? I want to simulate very slow HDD (just generating heavy IO doesnt make it slow enough) |
| 19:39.21 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: oh yeah, Description |
| 19:39.30 | CtrlC | noooo! It failed again! |
| 19:39.41 | debkad | sl4v3, thanks |
| 19:39.43 | CtrlC | debkad, I get no python errors. |
| 19:40.22 | debkad | CtrlC, if there is any argument to pass to python as a log and see what break it |
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| 19:40.42 | sl4v3 | it includes modsecurity-crs. at some point in the last week, a new rule was added somehow. so when i rebaked the image and deployed it, i broke a part of the site because all of a sudden a new rule was firing. |
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| 19:40.46 | CtrlC | debkad, I don't know any. |
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| 19:40.52 | sl4v3 | how can i tell when the modsecurity-crs package was last updated? |
| 19:41.14 | debkad | CtrlC, verbose for example |
| 19:41.19 | debkad | or redirect |
| 19:41.34 | CtrlC | It works again now!:| |
| 19:41.40 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: you're also looking at "journalctl -u mybot" and "journalctl --since -2min" ? |
| 19:42.05 | CtrlC | let me try running it as my own user to see what happens. |
| 19:42.07 | debkad | lol |
| 19:42.31 | debkad | fail ==> work ==> fail ==> work ....... ==> fail |
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| 19:43.10 | barteks2x | When I try to use NBD I get "/dev/nbd0: Operation not permitted while setting up superblock" or "mount: /dev/nbd0: can't read superblock" depending on what I do |
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| 19:45.48 | jhutchins | debkad: Sounds like python. |
| 19:46.10 | debkad | jhutchins, indeed |
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| 19:51.15 | sl4v3 | ok, from the debian jessie changelog, it looks like that shit was last updated on Sept 23, 2014. Is there a way a mod security rule could all of a sudden be active, because it's exactly 2 years since the package was updated? :) |
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| 19:51.41 | greycat | !security |
| 19:51.41 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
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| 19:53.04 | jhutchins | !docker |
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| 19:57.41 | CtrlC | when trying to run my service as a user I get the following permission error: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7208d7d8/ |
| 19:57.57 | CtrlC | I tried setting the RuntimeDirectory but no help yet. |
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| 19:58.12 | greycat | Do you get the same permission error if you simply try to execute the program directly from a shell? |
| 19:58.30 | CtrlC | greycat, no. |
| 19:59.00 | barteks2x | So I was able to get NBD working, but now it mounts as readonly. How can I make it read-write? |
| 19:59.09 | greycat | Your paste looks like python errors, so you will probably have to debug something at the python level. |
| 19:59.36 | CtrlC | greycat, It is related to how I run it. So I think it is sysadmin level. |
| 19:59.58 | greycat | ... looks like the error is coming from opening a log file. |
| 20:00.39 | teraflops | wth is this /path/to/env/ |
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| 20:00.53 | teraflops | looks like wrong to me |
| 20:01.01 | greycat | Probably some python vfs stuff that I do not understand. |
| 20:01.14 | teraflops | also -web-security=false', '--ignore-ssl-errors=true','--ssl-protocol=any looks terrible :P |
| 20:01.15 | greycat | Unless he actually MANGLED the output. |
| 20:01.17 | CtrlC | greycat, yes and it works while normally running it. |
| 20:01.26 | teraflops | greycat: yeah I wonder |
| 20:01.32 | CtrlC | teraflops, I changed it manually. |
| 20:01.37 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:01.40 | teraflops | CtrlC: why? |
| 20:01.45 | greycat | Because he's a fucking moron. |
| 20:01.56 | CtrlC | teraflops, It doesn't matter. |
| 20:02.08 | teraflops | CtrlC: you change those things nobody will help you |
| 20:02.17 | teraflops | yeah i does matter |
| 20:03.26 | teraflops | it* |
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| 20:06.14 | teraflops | who the hell knows what is true there and what's not then |
| 20:07.41 | greycat | *especially* when the visible symptom is an EPERM trying to open some log file in write mode, the IMMEDIATE question is "what log file is it trying to open". So mangling the paths in the output is absolutely destructive. |
| 20:07.49 | teraflops | yeah |
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| 20:08.22 | teraflops | i read permission denied that's enough for a service not starting |
| 20:08.25 | greycat | Sorry, EACCES |
| 20:08.39 | CtrlC | greycat, There's no path to the log file in the output. |
| 20:08.41 | barteks2x | I really need some way to simulate very slow read-write hdd, is there any way to do that? |
| 20:09.38 | teraflops | CtrlC: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'ghostdriver.log' is that true or you invented it? |
| 20:09.54 | CtrlC | teraflops, That line is not changed! |
| 20:10.01 | teraflops | ah idk |
| 20:10.07 | teraflops | :S |
| 20:10.10 | CtrlC | I only striped the username out of the log ffs. |
| 20:10.17 | CtrlC | output* |
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| 20:15.45 | CtrlC | Is there anyway to find out where it is trying to create those files? |
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| 20:19.15 | teraflops | CtrlC: yeah read the code you're trying to run |
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| 20:19.43 | teraflops | or the unit, idk if you pasted the unit I wasnt here |
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| 20:21.48 | CtrlC | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0dc705bb/ |
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| 20:22.49 | teraflops | CtrlC: heh that /path/to/bot thing is pissing me :P |
| 20:23.19 | teraflops | CtrlC: read the code you're trying to run |
| 20:23.55 | CtrlC | teraflops, The code is not related. Thanks. |
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| 20:24.43 | teraflops | oh yeah it is, it looks for a ghostdriver.log file |
| 20:25.08 | teraflops | that file does not come from the void |
| 20:27.11 | CtrlC | :) |
| 20:27.41 | CtrlC | Adding WorkingDirectory solved the problem. |
| 20:27.47 | teraflops | CtrlC: sorry I cannot help you more, look if that file exists and look for the ownership and permissions |
| 20:28.08 | teraflops | CtrlC: glad to hear you figured it out |
| 20:31.04 | teraflops | CtrlC: well, one thing, imo editing log files or the actual information people is asking for helping you is a bad idea and most people will end blaming you and not offering their help anymore |
| 20:31.31 | teraflops | no offense intended |
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| 20:34.11 | CtrlC | teraflops, yeah. It's such a shame people start wasting their time and other peoples on such non related useless issues. |
| 20:35.10 | teraflops | oh you're right |
| 20:35.13 | teraflops | :P |
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| 20:42.52 | jhutchins | teraflops: Obfuscating potentially sensitive info is good practice, but some people are a bit too zealous. |
| 20:43.15 | teraflops | well of course but it has limits |
| 20:43.35 | teraflops | I dont know how the path to a lib folder is sensitive |
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| 20:47.32 | jhutchins | People are funny about it. Just had a bit of an exchange on the security list. People want to be all worried about security, but they want someone else to not only do all the work but document it for them. |
| 20:48.50 | jesusLovesWarez | jhutchins: For enterprise web projects that serve multiple clients, you don't necessarily want them to see what order they signed up in, or give them more material to potentially exploit or uncover. I think it's a mix of best practice and security, but is almost never the most rpessing security item to address |
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| 20:48.58 | jesusLovesWarez | thats my take on it at least |
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| 20:49.20 | troffasky | trying to get PPP link up from /etc/network/interfaces and connectivity works OK, but always says: Cannot find device "ppp0" Failed to bring up ppp0. |
| 20:49.25 | jesusLovesWarez | but yeah you're right on devs being overzealous on that item |
| 20:49.34 | troffasky | this seems to cause systemd to think that the networking service failed to start |
| 20:49.45 | StrumpZ | hi, is it possible to create a bootable usb with all 3 dvd's on it? can someone point me to article if that exist or just give me a starting point? thanks |
| 20:49.51 | teraflops | well also being concerned about security and doing web-security=false', '--ignore-ssl-errors=true','--ssl-protocol=any is ... well I have no words |
| 20:50.49 | greycat | I can suggest some words, if you wish. |
| 20:50.55 | teraflops | heh |
| 20:50.57 | StrumpZ | all is fine |
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| 20:52.58 | CtrlC | why am I getting bash: systemctl: command not found error on jessie? |
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| 20:53.32 | CtrlC | It's a vps I just got running. |
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| 20:54.50 | jhutchins | CtrlC: Did they build it or did you? |
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| 20:55.02 | CtrlC | jhutchins, They did. |
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| 20:56.43 | CtrlC | Shouldn't it be installed by default? |
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| 20:57.25 | jhutchins | CtrlC: They probably built it with sysvinit instead of systemd. |
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| 20:57.49 | CtrlC | jhutchins, How to find out? |
| 20:58.18 | jhutchins | CtrlC: See if the systemctl command is present. |
| 20:58.30 | CtrlC | :| |
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| 20:59.51 | CtrlC | dpkg -S systemctl says: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *systemctl* |
| 20:59.52 | dpkg | There is no record of a systemctl says: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *systemctl* package |
| 20:59.59 | CtrlC | dpkg -S systemctl |
| 21:00.00 | dpkg | Package: systemctl: Status: install ok installed |
| 21:00.08 | jim | didn't jessie have some kind of option to run sysv? and if you wanted to change that, just install the systemd pkgs? |
| 21:00.16 | cyphix | I would like to use the fancyindex module of nginx. For that, I replaced nginx by nginx-extras, which integrates the module. However, I can't load any config file containing the directive 'fancyindex on'. It works if I manually build nginx with the module though. Any idea why? |
| 21:00.19 | greycat | !jessiv sysvinit |
| 21:00.22 | greycat | !jessie sysvinit |
| 21:00.26 | greycat | Grrr. |
| 21:00.36 | greycat | jim: /msg dpkg jessie sysvinit |
| 21:00.44 | jhutchins | CtrlC: the correct syntax is dpkg -s `which systemctl`, but you already know it's not on your path. You are running as root, right? |
| 21:00.49 | jim | thanks |
| 21:01.06 | CtrlC | jhutchins, Yes. root. |
| 21:01.12 | greycat | systemctl *is* in /bin on jessie |
| 21:01.32 | greycat | It's intended to be used by both end users for their private services, as well as root for system services. |
| 21:01.47 | jim | so they must have modified it |
| 21:01.50 | jhutchins | In any case... |
| 21:02.05 | jhutchins | jim: You can build it either way. |
| 21:02.24 | CtrlC | But there is /etc/systemd |
| 21:02.38 | jhutchins | jim: I imagine there's a lot less 'init isn't working' for ISPs if they stick with init. |
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| 21:03.11 | CtrlC | dpkg -L systemd says dpkg-query: package 'systemd' is not installed |
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| 21:03.12 | dpkg | ii systemd says dpkg-query: package 'systemd' is not installed 3.4-11.1 ctrlc's private gamp collection |
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| 21:03.21 | CtrlC | I'm not sure if that's the pkg tho. |
| 21:03.32 | CtrlC | dpkg -L systemd |
| 21:03.32 | dpkg | No packages found matching systemd |
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| 21:04.48 | CtrlC | Anybody knows what's wrong? |
| 21:05.08 | CtrlC | I have sysctl. |
| 21:05.19 | StrumpZ | is it possible to create a bootable usb with all 3 dvd's on it? can someone point me to article if that exist or just give me a starting point? thanks |
| 21:05.46 | CtrlC | which is not related I guess. :D |
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| 21:06.12 | greycat | dpkg, cmd: -l (.*?) =~ s/gamp/coin|warez/ |
| 21:06.13 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 21:06.17 | CtrlC | How to check if the other init system is present? |
| 21:06.48 | greycat | Just a *little* too much "#debian 2005 in-joke" in that one. |
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| 21:10.41 | CtrlC | dpkg -s systemd-sysv |
| 21:10.41 | dpkg | There is no record of a systemd-sysv package |
| 21:10.55 | CtrlC | dpkg -s "which systemd-sysv" |
| 21:10.56 | dpkg | Badgers ate my "which systemd-sysv"! |
| 21:11.02 | greycat | hah |
| 21:11.11 | CtrlC | oh you! |
| 21:11.15 | CtrlC | dpkg -S systemd-sysv |
| 21:11.16 | dpkg | Dingos ate my systemd-sysv! |
| 21:11.22 | CtrlC | :| |
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| 21:11.48 | CtrlC | Anybody had the same problem? |
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| 21:17.29 | CtrlC | Can trying to install systemd break anything? |
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| 21:20.45 | StrumpZ | is it possible to create a bootable usb with all 3 dvd's on it? can someone point me to article if that exist or just give me a starting point? thanks |
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| 21:21.30 | teraflops | CtrlC: vps? is opnvz? some old hosts do not support systemd in the guests |
| 21:21.39 | teraflops | openvz* |
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| 21:22.19 | CtrlC | teraflops, No. I installed it and it seems to work. |
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| 21:35.22 | tom99 | CtrlC: you're trying to install syystemd on what ? |
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| 21:36.02 | CtrlC | tom99, I did install it. on jessie. |
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| 21:36.27 | Bodnos | Debra Nussbaum Cohen writes from New York for Haaretz and is a contributing editor at The Forward. Her work has appeared in The New York Times, Wall Street Journal and New York magazine. She also authored "Celebrating Your New Jewish Daughter: Creating Jewish Ways to Welcome Baby Girls into the Covenant" (Jewish Lights). |
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| 21:37.45 | tom99 | CtrlC: i don't understand, someone told me jessie has sytemd by default |
| 21:37.46 | opv | hi guys, i have a weird issue - installed debian jessie from netinstall, installed gnome and chromium. had eth0 connected during the installation procedure, now working exclusively over wlan0. however, every time i start chromium after bootup, (wifi connection already established and working), a -net 0.0.0.0 gw 0.0.0.0 dev eth0 route is automatically created and i have to manually delete it |
| 21:38.12 | babilen | tom99: It does |
| 21:38.15 | CtrlC | tom99, That's what confused me too. |
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| 21:38.37 | tom99 | CtrlC: maybe you can manually tell it to use the old system and that's what you did? |
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| 21:38.54 | tom99 | i had to uncheck the "Debian Desktop Environment" box just to get wheezy to install and then I had to install gnome myself afterward |
| 21:38.59 | troffasky | opv, to be clear, does the route only appear after starting chromium? |
| 21:39.15 | CtrlC | tom99, No. It wasn't installed at all. |
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| 21:40.10 | tom99 | CtrlC: well it has to have something. if not systemd then the old sysvinit or whatever |
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| 21:40.47 | CtrlC | yeah. it was using the old one. |
| 21:42.11 | opv | troffasky: my bad. it does appear without starting chromium, approximatively 20-30 seconds after bootup. two routes are being setup with iface eth0: destination 0.0.0.0/0 gw 0.0.0.0, and destination 169.254.0.0/16 gw 0.0.0.0 |
| 21:42.26 | awal1 | CtrlC, jessie comes with systemd, no doubt |
| 21:42.48 | tom99 | CtrlC: when I type apt-get install systemd on my fresh wheezy installation with sysvinit installed it says it will download: libpam-systemd, libsystemd-id128-0, libsystemd-journal0, and systemd |
| 21:43.25 | opv | troffasky: the default destination 0.0.0.0/0 route via wlan0 is being setup with a metric of 1024, while the 0.0.0.0/0 via eth0 (and gw 0.0.0.0) has a metric of 1002 |
| 21:43.35 | awal1 | CtrlC, what returns the command ps --pid 1 -f ? |
| 21:43.38 | opv | which forces me to manually delete it every time after it appears |
| 21:43.39 | tom99 | CtrlC: i had to mess with my repos to make them correct though. for some reason the default repos can be crap on debian |
| 21:44.09 | CtrlC | awal1, pid 1 was init. |
| 21:44.14 | tom99 | awal1: I get init as well |
| 21:44.22 | tom99 | init [S] |
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| 21:44.35 | awal1 | CtrlC, and stat /sbin/init ? |
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| 21:44.41 | CtrlC | tom99, Well you had wheezy! This is jessie |
| 21:44.58 | CtrlC | awal1, I already installed anc configed systemd on it. |
| 21:45.13 | awal1 | oh, ok |
| 21:45.18 | tom99 | CtrlC: yes i'm just trying to be helpful |
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| 21:45.49 | tom99 | CtrlC: what does the output of stat /sbin/init mean? it's a bunch of numbers |
| 21:45.50 | awal1 | wifi issue here, i may have missed some parts of the conversation :P |
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| 21:46.06 | CtrlC | tom99, idk |
| 21:46.10 | _0xbadc0de | hi there |
| 21:46.12 | Somelauw | In /etc/defaults/keyboard, I have a line that says XKBOPTIONS=lctrl-altgr,caps:escape |
| 21:46.15 | _0xbadc0de | so I have installed kali I boot to grub it shows kali, I hit enter the system is booting and then suddenly I get black screen |
| 21:46.16 | tom99 | er I mean awal1: what does it mean? |
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| 21:46.28 | _0xbadc0de | probably a video driver issue? |
| 21:46.34 | Somelauw | In /etc/defaults/keyboard, I have a line that says XKBOPTIONS=lctrl-altgr,caps:escape, but when I press lctrl-altgr nothing happens. |
| 21:46.57 | Somelauw | I have no problem with caps:escape though |
| 21:47.15 | tom99 | it's size is 35216, has 72 blocks, IO block is 4096, Inode 262186, etc |
| 21:47.32 | awal1 | tom99, not using sysvinit here; so I dont know what your output numbers can mean |
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| 21:47.58 | _0xbadc0de | heeeeeeeeelp |
| 21:48.12 | jim | jhutchins, if one can build a jessie either way, can you switch from sysd to sysv and back? |
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| 21:49.24 | jim | _0xbadc0de, waaaaaaaaaaaat? (aka: ask specific informative q with some details) |
| 21:49.39 | _0xbadc0de | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.58 | cra1g321 | !kali |
| 21:49.58 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 21:50.12 | jim | you'd have to ask the kali people about that |
| 21:50.15 | tom99 | awal1: You asked him for his output of /sbin/init so I assumed you had some purpose to asking |
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| 21:50.21 | _0xbadc0de | omg are you seriously going to bitch about that, THAT IS DEBIAN for fucks sake |
| 21:50.22 | tom99 | er `stat /sbin/init' |
| 21:50.46 | _0xbadc0de | in fact, I had the exact same problem installing debian a few weeks ago |
| 21:51.09 | pingfloyd | _0xbadc0de: grab a clue |
| 21:51.16 | jim | _0xbadc0de, they could have changed their stuff... it's an independent project |
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| 21:51.26 | liinda1988love | koko |
| 21:51.29 | awal1 | tom99, when using systemd one get in the output '/sbin/init' -> '/lib/systemd/systemd', that's the important part |
| 21:51.33 | liinda1988love | how are you |
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| 21:52.18 | jim | liinda1988love. There is a bot, alis, that can assist you in looking for channels on the Freenode irc net. To start, /msg alis help |
| 21:53.02 | jim | liinda1988love, this is not a social channel, that's not its purpose... but maybe you can find some |
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| 21:53.49 | tom99 | awal1: interesting, didn't know that. so systemd tries to maintain backward compatibility by assuming the role of /sbin/init? |
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| 21:56.29 | pingfloyd | tom99: /sbin/init is part of systemd-sysv package now, it's what allows systemd to read and parse LSB init scripts |
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| 21:57.10 | pingfloyd | tom99: i.e., yep, maintains backward compatibility with sysv scripts |
| 21:58.05 | tom99 | er I don't understand |
| 21:58.26 | tom99 | So if I want to install systemd and I'm using sysvinit, what's going to happen to /sbin/init? it gets deleted? |
| 21:58.32 | tom99 | so I can't have systemd and sysvinit at the same time? |
| 21:58.47 | pingfloyd | no |
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| 21:58.51 | jim | replaced probably |
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| 21:59.28 | awal1 | tom99, you have a very good explanation here https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch03.en.html#_stage_4_the_normal_debian_system |
| 21:59.30 | jim | no, completely different and incompatible systems |
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| 21:59.37 | tom99 | um, ok... so when I typed apt-get install systemd and it asked me Y/n if I wanted to install those packages, it was going to happily start deleting packages without telling me? |
| 21:59.54 | pingfloyd | tom99: both systemd-sysv and sysvinit-core have /sbin/init, and they conflict with each other |
| 21:59.58 | jim | (it's a wonder systemd is compatible with computers...) |
| 22:00.10 | pingfloyd | tom99: so you are either installing and running sysv init or systemd's |
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| 22:00.36 | pingfloyd | systemd maintains some backward compatibility with sysv through systemd-sysv package though |
| 22:00.41 | marrenarre | Hi. I want an Xmonad setup that "just works" (basically). Should I just install some desktop environment using the installer and then replace the window manager or something? I'm having some problems with getting Xorg Server to work manually. |
| 22:00.50 | _0xbadc0de | nomodeset can I add this to boot options? |
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| 22:01.02 | opv | troffasky: in case you're interested, it was avahi. removed it and all is well now |
| 22:01.25 | pingfloyd | tom99: so you have a choice still which init system you want to use. You can remove systemd and use sysv instead. There's a procedure for that. |
| 22:01.35 | tom99 | my point is on my wheezy box it's using sysv, and when I typed 'apt-get install systemd' it said it's only going to remove 3 packages, none of which is sysvinit-core |
| 22:01.54 | pingfloyd | tom99: that's wheezy |
| 22:02.02 | pingfloyd | tom99: systemd didn't become the default until jessie |
| 22:02.07 | tom99 | pingfloyd: ok that's cool. my problem is that it's removing a package without telling me if what you're saying is true |
| 22:02.20 | pingfloyd | so packages may be layed out differently between the two releases |
| 22:02.23 | tom99 | apt-get is supposed to list what packages will be removed or added |
| 22:03.00 | pingfloyd | if you're using wheezy, I'd just stick with sysv and not mess with it. |
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| 22:03.26 | tom99 | it says packages will be removed: tor, tor-geoipdb, init-system-helpers |
| 22:03.53 | tom99 | it will download: libpam-systemd, libsystemd-id128-0, libsystemd-journal0, and systemd |
| 22:04.04 | tom99 | pingfloyd: yes that seems the wisest course |
| 22:04.18 | pingfloyd | tom99: systemd isn't all its cracked up to be anyway |
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| 22:05.00 | pingfloyd | I think sysv is far more admin friendly since it so much more transparent what is going on |
| 22:05.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | marrenarre, there shouldn't be any difference installing X by yourself or via the installer with a DE |
| 22:05.40 | tom99 | pingfloyd: why was systemd the replacement? |
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| 22:05.57 | pingfloyd | like if you understand shell scripting, you've got sysv at your beck and whim |
| 22:06.01 | pingfloyd | tom99: politics |
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| 22:06.26 | pingfloyd | tom99: I think it was a terrible decisions, but at least we can still use sysv if we want without too much hassle |
| 22:06.43 | dD_ | My screen flickers when I'm on GNOME but not LXDE, any idea what it could be? |
| 22:06.48 | pingfloyd | tom99: however, some programs depend on systemd because they've jumped on that bandwagon |
| 22:06.49 | marrenarre | CutMeOwnThroat: In that case I suppose I'll have issues using the installer as well then. It seems my video card is (seemingly) too new for the open source NVIDIA driver. |
| 22:06.51 | tom99 | pingfloyd: interesting, i'll remember that. |
| 22:07.00 | tom99 | oh. DEPENDENCY HELLLLLLLLLL |
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| 22:07.09 | teraflops | lol politics |
| 22:07.11 | pingfloyd | so there will be certain packages you have to be using systemd in order to install and use |
| 22:07.12 | teraflops | sorry |
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| 22:07.31 | teraflops | it's friday I have the right to enjoy a bit |
| 22:07.52 | awal1 | aptitude why / why-not - apt-cache depends / rdepends will help you for understand stuff in similar situation, tom99 |
| 22:07.57 | marrenarre | In that case, I'd be interested to know how to run Xorg rootless with proprietary drivers, but maybe I should ask that in ##linux instead. |
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| 22:08.10 | teraflops | pingfloyd: no offense intended I apologize |
| 22:08.20 | pingfloyd | teraflops: none taken |
| 22:08.56 | tom99 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.56 | tom99 | The actual init command on your system can be verified by the "ps --pid 1 -f" command. |
| 22:08.59 | stoned | dD_: laptop? |
| 22:09.07 | tom99 | ^ I don't see how that can be true if /sbin/init is a symlink |
| 22:09.15 | dD_ | stoned, yes |
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| 22:09.33 | stoned | How bad is the flickering? |
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| 22:09.45 | pingfloyd | tom99: where did you see that tip? |
| 22:09.58 | teraflops | marrenarre: about xmonad just search for dotfiles + github + xmonad in google |
| 22:10.15 | awal1 | tom99, what's your alternative ? tech us :P |
| 22:10.17 | pingfloyd | tom99: that tip sounds inaccurate |
| 22:10.21 | awal1 | teach ^ |
| 22:10.22 | tom99 | pingfloyd: the debian reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch03.en.html#_stage_4_the_normal_debian_system |
| 22:10.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | marrenarre, possible⦠part of the driver is in the kernel, you could try a newer kernel version from backports. |
| 22:10.36 | pingfloyd | tom99: if anything, a better assessment of that is ls -l /sbin/init |
| 22:11.02 | marrenarre | CutMeOwnThroat: Actually, I should get out of this channel, because I'm using Debian Testing. |
| 22:11.09 | awal1 | pingfloyd, +1 |
| 22:11.11 | tom99 | well, something was wrong on the internet. now my faith in all of humanity is shattered |
| 22:11.12 | pingfloyd | tom99: I'd say this is a pretty dead giveaway that one is using system (in debian at least): lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Sep 2 15:02 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd |
| 22:11.22 | teraflops | marrenarre: debian uses alternatives system, if you feel more comfortable having ~/.xinitrc go pick one |
| 22:11.32 | pingfloyd | *is using systemd* |
| 22:11.46 | teraflops | marrenarre: xorg runs as user in debian testing |
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| 22:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | marrenarre, hm, but then you've got pretty new versions of everything anyway⦠and yes⦠you probably get better help for that on irc.oftc.net where the offical official channels are and there with #debian-next where the guy who run testing hang out |
| 22:12.20 | mado | hello everyone : ) |
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| 22:12.40 | dD_ | stoned, renders it almost unusable. it keeps flickering between the current state and the last state (so imagine i alt+tab, it flickers between both screens) |
| 22:12.52 | stoned | Oh |
| 22:12.54 | tom99 | maybe somebody should update the debian reference so you know.. it REFERS to accurate commands? |
| 22:12.58 | stoned | stable? or testing/sid? |
| 22:13.29 | pingfloyd | tom99: you should probably submit a report if that was where you read that |
| 22:13.33 | marrenarre | teraflops: Well when setting it up manually Xorg doesn't find any screen when not run as root. I've tried adding needs_root_rights = no in the Xwrapper.config file but it still doesn't work. |
| 22:13.47 | tom99 | pingfloyd: I don't know how to do that |
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| 22:14.05 | pingfloyd | tom99: probably one of the mailing lists, but I'm not sure |
| 22:14.23 | marrenarre | So that's why I'm thinking the installer solves it better than I do. But then if it uses the open source driver it won't work anyway, and also I guess if it did then the rootless thing wouldn't be a problem. |
| 22:14.49 | tom99 | pingfloyd: well i'm the noob here, so I would need someone knowledgeable to tell me where that might be |
| 22:15.00 | portersmith | There should be no reason why anyone should be thrown in jail for questioning the facts and different aspects of the history of World War II, including the so-called Jewish Holocaust. Something STINKS. Jewish groups, we're onto your abusive lies, your scams, your hatred, your malicious: we're onto the fact that your emperor has no clothes. The truth has been exposed and it is going viral. |
| 22:15.12 | tom99 | Please file bug reports on the debian-reference package using reportbug(1) if you find any issues on this document. Please include correction suggestion by "diff -u" to the plain text version or to the source. |
| 22:15.18 | tom99 | ^ That's what the document itself says |
| 22:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | marrenarre, what do you mean with "set up manually"⦠don't you use a greeter? |
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| 22:16.05 | teraflops | marrenarre: setting up manually? did I miss the part where you said what GPU you're using and the drivers |
| 22:16.28 | tom99 | What will diff -u do? |
| 22:16.33 | teraflops | marrenarre: startx pulls from alternatives system |
| 22:16.41 | marrenarre | teraflops: Yeah you missed it but I can't really blame you since I did too... |
| 22:17.19 | marrenarre | Which shows that since this thing depends on what I did, maybe I did something wrong, so I was thinking I'd trust the installer to know better. |
| 22:17.47 | teraflops | what do you mean by installer? |
| 22:17.58 | marrenarre | Anyway I have a GTX 1060 and I installed nvidia-driver via apt-get. I installed linux-source first because it didn't work without doing so, it seemed. |
| 22:18.08 | marrenarre | Well if I let the installer set up some desktop environment for me, I mean. |
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| 22:18.23 | teraflops | marrenarre: did you install a DE? |
| 22:18.33 | marrenarre | teraflops: No. |
| 22:19.00 | teraflops | go install something so startx can start something I guess |
| 22:19.00 | marrenarre | CutMeOwnThroat: If that means what I think it means then no. |
| 22:19.19 | marrenarre | I used to have this working before, with an older video card, logging in through the terminal just fine. |
| 22:19.49 | marrenarre | Presumably it worked because the open source drivers was compatible with that card. |
| 22:19.50 | cra1g321 | the 1060 isn't supported by any the jessie or jessie-backports packages |
| 22:20.01 | cra1g321 | of the* |
| 22:20.03 | marrenarre | driver* |
| 22:20.13 | teraflops | then looks like some issue there (I suppose), I'd paste the xorg.log for the #debian-next guys |
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| 22:20.19 | mado | yet? ... or will never be supported? (if i may ask) |
| 22:20.23 | pingfloyd | marrenarre: you probably just needed the linux-headers package matching your running linux image version instead of the linux-source package |
| 22:20.28 | teraflops | mado: if no luck there try here |
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| 22:20.49 | mado | i've never been "there" ... |
| 22:20.51 | pingfloyd | and the dkms packages |
| 22:21.16 | awal1 | marrenare, if you want to run xmonad, so apt-get install xmonad + xorg then use xinitrc and startx or start it via a DM. you'll have to lear about haskel language for configure it at your way; basic config is very limited |
| 22:21.23 | awal1 | marrenarre |
| 22:21.24 | teraflops | marrenarre: xorg.log would be helpful ^ |
| 22:21.28 | mado | i was just curious because i thought about getting maybe this graphics card too in the future ... so far i'm stuck with this "typewriter" here : ) |
| 22:21.58 | marrenarre | awal1: The problem is unrelated to xmonad AFAIK. |
| 22:22.00 | awal1 | haskell ^ |
| 22:22.08 | mado | here's another question for you guys ... don't worry i can post it later again so that you can focus on the issues of the others ... |
| 22:22.12 | teraflops | awal1: :S |
| 22:22.26 | awal1 | marrenarre, you was talking about it before :p |
| 22:22.27 | marrenarre | Haskell is cool though. |
| 22:22.49 | marrenarre | awal1: Yeah but Xmonad is more of the goal I guess hehe. |
| 22:22.50 | pingfloyd | marrenarre: yeah, I guess if you're masochistic |
| 22:23.01 | teraflops | :O |
| 22:23.02 | mado | i'd like to disable my touchpad ... and only use my mouse ... http://xmodulo.com/how-to-disable-touchpad-on-debian-ubuntu-desktop.html ... the package there in method 1 is either missing, obsolete or is only available through another source (the terminal tells me) |
| 22:23.47 | marrenarre | pingfloyd: You mean I need linux headers that match and that I do not need the linux-source package? |
| 22:23.48 | _0xbadc0de | how can I boot into recovery mode? |
| 22:23.57 | marrenarre | How come my linux headers would not be matching at the moment? |
| 22:24.03 | mado | also it'd be great if my current monitor settings could be saved and not revert back to what they were when i first booted the computer earlier |
| 22:24.09 | tom99 | _0xbadc0de, on my debian box it gives an option in grub when the system starts to choose recovery mode |
| 22:24.11 | pingfloyd | mado: that seems like a very gnome dependent way |
| 22:24.30 | pingfloyd | mado: a more agnostic way, assuming your touchpad supports it, is through synclient |
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| 22:24.47 | mado | well i am using gnome right now, pingfloyd ... i wouldn't have known though if it was : ) |
| 22:25.20 | teraflops | marrenarre: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/nvidia-driver |
| 22:25.30 | mado | does this help you pingfloyd? |
| 22:25.31 | mado | mario@mcmd:~$ egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 22:25.36 | mado | N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" |
| 22:25.42 | teraflops | marrenarre: look at the what provides |
| 22:25.50 | pingfloyd | mado: then synclient should probably work |
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| 22:26.10 | mado | i found that command somewhere in a manual |
| 22:26.20 | pingfloyd | looks like you have a synaptics one, which is what it was originally designed for (I think it does support some of the other non-synaptic ones too though). |
| 22:26.46 | mado | okay then ... i'll try and find this -> synclient <- then |
| 22:27.02 | marrenarre | teraflops: nvidia-kernel-340.96? |
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| 22:27.09 | dD_ | stoned, testing |
| 22:27.33 | stoned | dD_: go on irc.debian.org #debian-next |
| 22:27.33 | teraflops | marrenarre: or dkms |
| 22:27.41 | mado | package cannot be found, pingfloyd |
| 22:27.42 | pingfloyd | mado: with synaptics it should be as easy as: synclient TouchpadOff 1 |
| 22:27.46 | teraflops | just pointing at what pingfloyd said |
| 22:27.48 | dD_ | stoned, thanks |
| 22:28.11 | pingfloyd | mado: it should be in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 22:28.14 | teraflops | _0xbadc0de: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Reset_root_password the "Using GRUB to invoke bash" part |
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| 22:28.39 | pingfloyd | so you could just add that command I gave to your session's startup settings |
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| 22:28.53 | mado | oh so it's a command! |
| 22:29.02 | sine0 | can someone suggest a command line type of backup system thats like dropbox |
| 22:29.04 | mado | and here was me thinking it was some tool : ) ... my bad, pingfloyd |
| 22:29.19 | pingfloyd | what I do is have a script with all my synclient settings and have my xfce4 startup invoke it. |
| 22:29.38 | pingfloyd | in gnome, there should be some place you can set what gets run when gnome starts up |
| 22:29.49 | teraflops | pingfloyd: yuo can use a xorg snippet too |
| 22:29.50 | marrenarre | teraflops: Oh I ignored the sentence before it. So I need to get the dkms and source packages, and build the kernel module? |
| 22:29.57 | pingfloyd | teraflops: yeah |
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| 22:30.41 | teraflops | marrenarre: im not aware of nvidia in debian, and I dont use testing so im not a good source |
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| 22:31.12 | pingfloyd | e.g., create a file with the settings you want for synaptics under say /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ in xorg.conf format |
| 22:31.14 | marrenarre | I was going to use unstable but dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration broke when I did dist-upgrade... |
| 22:31.44 | teraflops | pingfloyd: nah I setup my libinput options in ~/.xprofile :S |
| 22:31.57 | pingfloyd | I usually turn off all the DE applet crap for my touchpad and have synaptics/synclient handle it since you get much better granular control |
| 22:32.13 | pingfloyd | and as a plus will be in effect regardless of DE/WM you use |
| 22:32.27 | marrenarre | teraflops: But I should look into building the kernel module, right? |
| 22:32.40 | jhutchins | !nvidia |
| 22:32.41 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:32.53 | teraflops | jhutchins: thanks! |
| 22:33.01 | pingfloyd | marrenarre: source package or linux-headers package |
| 22:33.05 | jhutchins | marrenarre: You should read the documentation and not try to get by with irc advice. |
| 22:33.28 | pingfloyd | marrenarre: dependency resolution usually should pull in what you need though |
| 22:33.51 | mado | i have also just found -> https://user501254.github.io/TouchpadIndicator/ <- pingfloyd : ) |
| 22:33.52 | jhutchins | pingfloyd: No offenise intended, but they really shouldn't be winging module builds, it will only result in more support questions. |
| 22:34.03 | pingfloyd | jhutchins: I agree |
| 22:34.25 | pingfloyd | jhutchins: if it breaks though, they get to keep both pieces :) |
| 22:34.35 | marrenarre | Yeah I wouldn't really know how to do that so I agree. |
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| 22:34.56 | pingfloyd | jhutchins: ideally they take the advice they get here and research more |
| 22:35.04 | Somelauw | In /etc/defaults/keyboard, I have a line that says XKBOPTIONS=lctrl-altgr,caps:escape, but when I press lctrl-altgr nothing happens. |
| 22:35.10 | pingfloyd | then it will make more sense as they read up on it |
| 22:35.18 | marrenarre | And I'm trying to google but you guys are too eager to help. |
| 22:35.42 | teraflops | marrenarre: dont try google try https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 22:35.56 | marrenarre | I found that on Google so it's ok. |
| 22:36.00 | teraflops | :P |
| 22:36.10 | pingfloyd | but you know the old saying, "you can lead a horse to water..." |
| 22:36.30 | marrenarre | But now I know that you guys approve of it so I guess the link *is* useful. |
| 22:36.35 | jasonpowers | Israel is a Jewish ghetto fortress on the Suez Canal from which no one ever gets extradited. No more POGROMS: the Jewish criminals just flee to Israel. |
| 22:36.38 | mado | i'm still checking out what you told me though, pingfloyd |
| 22:36.42 | jhutchins | The guides on the debian site are usually a pretty good resource, but they do get out of date sometimes. |
| 22:36.58 | pingfloyd | marrenarre: like jhutchins is advising, you read up more about the proper process |
| 22:37.14 | teraflops | there's a fine wiki, so use it |
| 22:37.23 | pingfloyd | s/you/you should/ |
| 22:37.28 | teraflops | it's fine most of the time at least ^ |
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| 22:37.55 | tom99 | jasonpowers: what's your evidence for criminals not being prosecuted and fleeing to israel? |
| 22:38.52 | marrenarre | The thing is that page is for stable releases. Should I just follow the one for jessie? |
| 22:38.55 | teraflops | tom99: he left |
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| 22:39.18 | tom99 | teraflops: oh i turned off leave/join in this channel, whoops |
| 22:39.32 | pingfloyd | marrenarre: that's where you'll want to check even more references for potential caveats |
| 22:39.35 | mado | the -> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics <- is installed ... now i need to find it, pingfloyd : ) |
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| 22:40.03 | pingfloyd | mado: start off with reading man 4 synaptics |
| 22:40.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, don't respond to spam like that, kthx |
| 22:40.26 | teraflops | tom99: use smart filter at least ^ |
| 22:40.28 | marrenarre | Ugh why is there so much new stuff. If only everything had existed since the 90s, everything would be well-supported. |
| 22:40.44 | pingfloyd | mado: bear in mind all the options it lists can be through xorg.conf{,.d/*} or invoked directly via synclient command. |
| 22:41.09 | mado | pingfloyd: i'm afraid i don't know yet what that means ... i'm new to all this stuff here : ) |
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| 22:42.39 | marrenarre | But even the latest driver on that page doesn't list my GPU as a supported device. |
| 22:42.50 | marrenarre | Maybe I should just learn to use a text-based web browser... |
| 22:43.11 | pingfloyd | mado: for example you could create a file say 99-synapics under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly following the syntax in the example under the synopsis of the man page. However you could invoke those same option like: synclient <OptionName> <Value> at the command line or through a script. |
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| 22:43.39 | pingfloyd | *(99-synaptics.conf) |
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| 22:44.18 | pingfloyd | as far as editing xorg.conf, I recommend creating files under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory instead |
| 22:44.34 | pingfloyd | it's easier to manage that way |
| 22:45.29 | pingfloyd | also, too verify if your setting take effect, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log after you started a new X session after making the changes. |
| 22:46.11 | mado | pingfloyd: take it slower with me please ... i'm trying to follow you : ) |
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| 22:46.58 | pingfloyd | mado: in your case, do you just want to disable the touchpad altogether? |
| 22:47.06 | yokisuci | iam drunk |
| 22:47.19 | yokisuci | drunk |
| 22:47.26 | mado | -> http://dpaste.com/10E7KQS <- pingfloyd |
| 22:47.36 | mado | there is no "xorg.conf.d" directory |
| 22:47.40 | yokisuci | huh? |
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| 22:48.18 | pingfloyd | mado: the xorg.conf.d directory isn't created by default. You must 'mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d' first. |
| 22:48.20 | marrenarre | Actually though this would all be solved by finding a neat way to run Xorg as root while still logging in through the terminal. |
| 22:49.18 | mado | altogether? ... well pingfloyd ... i think it'd be great if i could turn it off completely because i do have a mouse plugged in via usb ... but if i ever needed it back that i could just "switch it on" again ... if i have to do this by editing some file or pressing some keyboard shortcut or whatever ... doesn't matter : ) |
| 22:49.42 | teraflops | marrenarre: no |
| 22:50.03 | marrenarre | teraflops: But it works when I do `sudo startx`. I'm just looking for a more automated way. |
| 22:50.12 | mado | what does the 'd' in that stand for pingfloyd? |
| 22:50.26 | marrenarre | I could even get used to typing that command every time I log in. |
| 22:50.28 | mado | and why call it "xorg.conf.d" ? |
| 22:50.41 | marrenarre | Or just typing my password if I put that in some sh file. |
| 22:50.51 | teraflops | mado: you can safely create that folder |
| 22:51.44 | teraflops | marrenarre: did you tun startx as root but inside the normal user home folder? |
| 22:51.44 | mado | i'm sure i can, teraflops ... i'm just trying to understand what's behind the name : ) |
| 22:51.52 | marrenarre | teraflops: Yeah. |
| 22:51.57 | pingfloyd | marrenarre: that's a convention for when config files can be split up in multiple files |
| 22:52.03 | teraflops | mado: afaik it's a debian thingy |
| 22:52.04 | pingfloyd | mado: ^ |
| 22:52.31 | pingfloyd | mado: Xorg looks for files in that directory to parse its configuration settings |
| 22:52.31 | teraflops | mado it became a convention more or less as pingfloyd says |
| 22:52.44 | mado | i see i've got a lot to learn : ) |
| 22:52.52 | teraflops | marrenarre: it's your fault then and that's why it does not work |
| 22:52.52 | pingfloyd | mado: it's more that many programs follow that convention for configuration, but not all do. |
| 22:52.59 | teraflops | marrenarre: :S |
| 22:53.09 | mado | alright ... folder created pingfloyd |
| 22:53.19 | marrenarre | ??? But it works when I run it as root in my home directory, but not when not as root in my home directory. |
| 22:53.36 | pingfloyd | mado: if you want to disable you touchpad put this http://paste.debian.net/836765/ in say /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-synaptics.conf |
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| 22:53.54 | teraflops | marrenarre: yeah as I said, go ls -la ~/ |
| 22:53.57 | marrenarre | Are you telling me that iff you're running it as a normal user then the cwd has to be a specific one? |
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| 22:54.28 | teraflops | marrenarre: go ls -la ~/ |
| 22:54.30 | teraflops | ^ |
| 22:54.37 | pingfloyd | mado: the number at the beginning determines what order files under xorg.conf.d are parsed. They're parse in lexical order iirc. |
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| 22:55.11 | pingfloyd | mado: synaptics setting can be parse pretty late since you're usually not going to care about input behavior until X is all the way up |
| 22:55.13 | marrenarre | teraflops: Okay so I'm logged in as root. That's not so good. |
| 22:55.31 | marrenarre | I mean I'm "logged in" as root. |
| 22:55.40 | teraflops | marrenarre: whoami |
| 22:56.18 | marrenarre | teraflops: Yeah but does it really count as "logged in"? It's only because I'm running it with sudo. |
| 22:56.31 | marrenarre | Well anyway, what does it have to do with the problem of it not working as a normal user? |
| 22:56.40 | teraflops | no youre not root but you did startx as root but in your user folder now theres a bunch of files there belonging to root |
| 22:56.59 | teraflops | i cannot explain myself better sorry |
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| 22:57.18 | teraflops | looks obv to me sorry |
| 22:57.23 | marrenarre | But ~ is the home directory of root. |
| 22:57.32 | marrenarre | I ran the command in xterm i xmonad running as root. |
| 22:57.36 | marrenarre | Should I run it outside of xmonad? |
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| 22:57.51 | mado | okay : ) ... and 'X' is the thing that allows me to see stuff like windows on my computer, right? ... do you want me to create this file with "gedit" ? |
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| 22:58.07 | marrenarre | My normal account's home directory is as normal. |
| 22:58.12 | teraflops | marrenarre: you said you sis sudo startx as normal user |
| 22:58.12 | mado | ad pingfloyd |
| 22:58.19 | marrenarre | teraflops: Yes. |
| 22:58.30 | teraflops | now you say youre root |
| 22:58.33 | pingfloyd | mado: yeah X is what gives you your gui environment in short |
| 22:58.35 | teraflops | im just confused |
| 22:58.50 | mado | yay! ... i understood something again :D |
| 22:59.05 | marrenarre | teraflops: I was using xterm, in xorg server which I'm running with sudo. |
| 22:59.21 | teraflops | marrenarre: again pastebin the output of ls -la ~/ as normal user |
| 22:59.36 | teraflops | also pastebin does not mean pastebin.com |
| 22:59.38 | RoyK | wonders if there aren't separate irc channels for debian desktop and server |
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| 22:59.53 | mado | and do you want me to create this "99-synaptics.conf"-file with gedit? |
| 22:59.59 | mado | pingfloyd: |
| 23:00.11 | pingfloyd | mado: X by itself doesn't do much other than facilitating just that. It's the Xserver that you run your xclients in. Things like windows managers, synclient, xclock, and so on are examples of xclients. |
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| 23:00.31 | pingfloyd | mado: you can use whatever text editor you want, you just have to make sure you edit it with root privs because of the location of that file. |
| 23:01.09 | pingfloyd | mado: it's a good idea to also become familiar with at least one CLI text editor for situations when you can't get X up. |
| 23:01.43 | mado | well ... i'm still in the terminal ... so i thought i just write "gedit" and open it ... that way i altered the sources.list too to add an additional repository or whatever it was called |
| 23:02.13 | teraflops | mado: gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-synaptics.conf is a bit eww |
| 23:02.16 | mado | cli text editor? ... as in ... a text editor running in the terminal? |
| 23:02.24 | teraflops | also you need root permission |
| 23:02.31 | mado | why's that "eww" teraflops? |
| 23:02.32 | try | Recently, screenshots stopped working for me in Jessie. gnome-screenshot works from the command line, but the "prtscr"-based shortcuts are no longer working. Can anyone help me troubleshoot? |
| 23:02.37 | pingfloyd | that's fine, you may have to invoke it with gksu or gksudo to access to the display though (there are other ways, but they're more convoluted). |
| 23:02.44 | teraflops | mado: big ewww |
| 23:02.46 | teraflops | :P |
| 23:02.48 | mado | why? |
| 23:03.00 | pingfloyd | mado: security |
| 23:03.03 | teraflops | youre right why? |
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| 23:03.14 | teraflops | why I boher? |
| 23:03.16 | mado | i'm not sure i understand |
| 23:03.17 | pingfloyd | mado: you don't want anyone to be able to arbitrarily access anyone else's display in X |
| 23:03.23 | teraflops | mado: nah sorry |
| 23:03.29 | pingfloyd | that would present a big security vulnerability |
| 23:04.25 | marrenarre | teraflops: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f0d6373b/ |
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| 23:04.42 | mado | i'm still not entirely sure i understand - sorry teraflops and pingfloyd ... |
| 23:04.49 | teraflops | mado: I apologize, it's late, I head to my bed now |
| 23:04.59 | mado | awww ... a pity teraflops ... |
| 23:05.10 | mado | but i can understand ... i hope to see you soon again : ) |
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| 23:05.33 | teraflops | marrenarre: well it looks fine to me |
| 23:05.41 | mado | i wish you "Good night" then before you leave teraflops |
| 23:05.54 | mado | pingfloyd: why is it a big security vulnerability? |
| 23:06.03 | teraflops | mado: nah it's ok tahnks |
| 23:06.05 | marrenarre | teraflops: So what were you saying about me doing something wrongly running startx as root? |
| 23:06.20 | pingfloyd | mado: I'm talking about why there is access control about being able to see other displays on the Xserver |
| 23:06.44 | teraflops | marrenarre: because I asked you and you said yes I run startx as root inside the user¡s home folder |
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| 23:06.54 | teraflops | user's |
| 23:06.58 | marrenarre | teraflops: Yeah, that's what I did. |
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| 23:07.10 | pingfloyd | mado: if you didn't have that facility in place, anyone could snoop on anyone else on the system. Like say see them type out their passwords for things. |
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| 23:07.53 | teraflops | marrenarre: go create a new user and startx with that user |
| 23:08.10 | teraflops | no sudo startx or as root just "startx" |
| 23:08.19 | teraflops | for the sake of our sanity |
| 23:08.27 | marrenarre | teraflops: Can I not just use my current account? |
| 23:08.30 | pingfloyd | marrenarre: how come you're invoking startx as root? |
| 23:08.32 | teraflops | nope! |
| 23:08.35 | marrenarre | The one wohose home folder I showed you. |
| 23:08.41 | teraflops | marrenarre: nope |
| 23:08.42 | marrenarre | Alrighty. |
| 23:08.46 | teraflops | fresh user |
| 23:08.51 | teraflops | new one |
| 23:08.53 | marrenarre | pingfloyd: Because it won't work without it. |
| 23:09.12 | mado | okay ... can we please go back one step? ... i think there's just one thing i don't understand ... |
| 23:09.14 | pingfloyd | marrenarre: X won't start as a regular user? |
| 23:09.21 | mado | i told you i'm currently "root" in the terminal ... |
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| 23:09.27 | mado | i see what file you want me to create ... |
| 23:09.39 | mado | and you asked me to create it ... |
| 23:09.43 | mado | with root priviledges ... |
| 23:10.06 | mado | we agreed i could do that in gedit for instance or some other text editor too ... |
| 23:10.09 | pingfloyd | marrenarre: that could be an issue with say your ~/.xinitrc or other per-user related files for X |
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| 23:10.22 | mado | and now there's something about a security risk? |
| 23:10.31 | mado | what am i missing pingfloyd / teraflops? |
| 23:10.54 | pingfloyd | mado: I think you misunderstand |
| 23:11.17 | teraflops | pingfloyd: yeah in ~/ like borked permission because startx as root from there |
| 23:11.23 | marrenarre | pingfloyd: But it works with sudo startx in my home directory, and then xmonad works which I only configured to start with my ~/.xinitrc, so it works with my .xinitrc when it's given root privileges. |
| 23:11.24 | mado | yes ... i think so too ... that's why i asked if we could go back one step please : ) ... so to clear this whole confusion up : ) |
| 23:11.44 | marrenarre | I'm pretty sure it has to do with not using the KMS thing due to it being a proprietary driver. |
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| 23:11.48 | pingfloyd | marrenarre: you shouldn't need to invoke startx with root permissions |
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| 23:12.23 | marrenarre | teraflops: "failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)" |
| 23:12.32 | marrenarre | pingfloyd: But I do. :( |
| 23:12.43 | pingfloyd | if it's not successfully bringing up an X session when running startx as regular user, something is borked |
| 23:12.45 | teraflops | ಠ_ಠ|
| 23:12.47 | marrenarre | This hasn't been an issue when using nouveau drivers but they don't work with my card unfortunately. |
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| 23:13.04 | mado | i'll wait while you help marrenarre : ) |
| 23:13.55 | marrenarre | teraflops: Should I give you more extensive output? |
| 23:14.18 | marrenarre | I'm lazy because the process of copying that text is relatively annoying. |
| 23:14.43 | marrenarre | You guys are angels by the way. |
| 23:14.56 | teraflops | marrenarre: that error? where do you get it? |
| 23:15.23 | marrenarre | teraflops: When running startx with the new user. |
| 23:15.33 | mado | we could also talk privately though if you want ... that way we won't interrupt teraflops and you pingfloyd from helping marrenarre :) |
| 23:15.42 | teraflops | oh I have no clue |
| 23:16.24 | marrenarre | teraflops: Actually, although this is the same error message as before IIRC, the second problem would be that the system xinitrc doesn't start xmonad. |
| 23:16.37 | marrenarre | So I'll make a ~/.xinitrc for this account as well. |
| 23:17.07 | teraflops | marrenarre: yeah paste full xorg.log |
| 23:17.21 | teraflops | no paste full xorg.log |
| 23:17.33 | marrenarre | Same error now. |
| 23:17.48 | marrenarre | But I'm pretty sure it has to do with the driver not doing the KMS thing automatically. |
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| 23:18.02 | marrenarre | Or relatively sure, based on what I've read so far. |
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| 23:18.27 | teraflops | marrenarre: and please tell me that you installed xorg and nvidia driver correctly |
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| 23:19.00 | marrenarre | Not really based on your instructions before. |
| 23:19.06 | marrenarre | I never got around to doing that module thing. |
| 23:19.14 | teraflops | :S |
| 23:19.15 | marrenarre | We got into the whole root thing. |
| 23:19.24 | xreal | A "lib" question: Normally, applications don't get build statically in Debian. When I've used libXY-dev to build an application, do I always need normal libXY to run the application? |
| 23:20.04 | teraflops | marrenarre: then I have no idea sorry |
| 23:20.17 | mado | pingfloyd: ? |
| 23:20.58 | teraflops | check your nvidia installation went fine that you have the nvidia module loaded and obv is not blacklisted, and provide xorg.log |
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| 23:21.27 | teraflops | no logs no clue |
| 23:21.58 | mado | teraflops: and pingfloyd ... i will reboot now ... catch you in a few minutes, hopefully : ) |
| 23:22.06 | marrenarre | teraflops: "The NVIDIA kernel module has a kernel interface layer that must be compiled specifically for each kernel. NVIDIA distributes the source code to this kernel interface layer." http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.37/README/installdriver.html |
| 23:22.08 | teraflops | so much gessing here and it's my fault |
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| 23:23.04 | marrenarre | Seems I must compile this to be able to run Xorg server without root privileges when using the proprietary driver. I might just try using the installer (which I know is not supported here). |
| 23:24.07 | marrenarre | teraflops: In any case you've been verp helpful and I appreciate it a lot. |
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| 23:24.31 | marrenarre | very* |
| 23:24.35 | marrenarre | Seems Debian has a friendly community, so far at least. :) |
| 23:24.37 | teraflops | marrenarre: oh I dont think so but thanks |
| 23:24.39 | teraflops | :P |
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| 23:24.58 | teraflops | about the helpful bit |
| 23:25.26 | marrenarre | teraflops: Actually I am kind of tired and now that I think about it I just wrote that without thinking and now that you mention it I guess not that much progress was made. |
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| 23:25.42 | marrenarre | I think in my head I was thinking of the word "friendly" or something. |
| 23:25.53 | marrenarre | I should probably go to bed soon. |
| 23:25.54 | mado | and back : ) |
| 23:25.58 | xreal | Anyone with an idea? |
| 23:26.00 | teraflops | heh |
| 23:26.30 | mado | unfortunately i have to report that creating the file didn't disable the touchpad, teraflops and pingfloyd |
| 23:26.35 | pingfloyd | xreal: if you install package-dev is should automatically install package as a dependency |
| 23:26.53 | xreal | pingfloyd: Yeah, but when I transport the DEB to a new system ;) |
| 23:26.57 | pingfloyd | xreal: the -dev package contains the needed headers for compilation, while the regular package contains the runtime dependencies |
| 23:27.01 | xreal | pingfloyd: I know. |
| 23:27.05 | eliserain | http://ccfiile.com/Holocaust_Liars.html |
| 23:27.19 | xreal | pingfloyd: So the normal lib is always needed? |
| 23:27.21 | AciD` | op, please use +r mode on this chan |
| 23:27.24 | pingfloyd | xreal: you only need the runtime dependencies to run the program in question |
| 23:27.33 | AciD` | !ops |
| 23:27.33 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 23:27.34 | xreal | pingfloyd: Oh ok... hmm |
| 23:27.41 | pingfloyd | xreal: you only need the *-dev package for compiling |
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| 23:28.01 | AciD` | dpkg: ops please use +r on this chan for the time being |
| 23:28.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: acid` complains about: please use +r on this chan for the time being |
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| 23:28.01 | xreal | pingfloyd: Yeah, but I mean. If you need 14 different -dev packages, you need 14 normal libs on the application side on a fresh system? |
| 23:28.02 | pingfloyd | xreal: so if the target system doesn't need to compile the program, then you don't need to install the -dev packages |
| 23:28.13 | xreal | pingfloyd: I know, but I mean the opposite site ;) |
| 23:28.32 | pingfloyd | xreal: yes, you need the normal libs/packages installed on the target system in order to run the program |
| 23:28.47 | xreal | pingfloyd: Okay ;) |
| 23:29.29 | mado | teraflops: ? would you mind if i send you some line/s in a query? |
| 23:29.40 | mado | any further thoughts pingfloyd or teraflops or anyone else? : ) |
| 23:30.26 | pingfloyd | mado: your DE may be overriding it. |
| 23:31.45 | pingfloyd | mado: I don't have gnome installed, but I remember it does have a setting in its dconf database controlling whether the DE sets the touchpad |
| 23:31.46 | mado | okaaay ... shall i then delete the file and folder? ... or do we have to (forgive me for saying so) teach the DE to respect the file? |
| 23:35.47 | mado | i just opened the dconf-editor with root priviledges ... can't make any changes yet though |
| 23:36.04 | EastCoast25 | There were 394,279 MORE Jews in 1949 than in 1940. |
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| 23:36.47 | pingfloyd | mado: you could try launching dconf-editor and then search for "touchpad" |
| 23:36.51 | unborn | mado why are you asking us to make your decision.. ? :) do what ever you want.. debian chan nor us nor any pro sysadmin - is responsible for your crap. |
| 23:37.18 | unborn | .. he knows what he is doing.. |
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| 23:38.14 | mado | unborn: ? ... i'm new to all of this stuff here ... be it gnu linux, debian, gnome, etc ... i'm merely trying to learn some things |
| 23:39.07 | mado | i found the entry pingfloyd ... but i cannot uncheck the checkmark |
| 23:40.19 | pingfloyd | mado: could also try this: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchpad send-events disable |
| 23:40.22 | mado | and since i don't want to ruin anything i'm glad for some guided assistance, unborn |
| 23:40.36 | unborn | nado well I believe its bollox - if you new you would not ask the question you did.. perhaps I am very wrong - google and debian can learn you so much.. |
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| 23:41.14 | unborn | you glad you found the some guided assistance.. where? not on this chan for sure.. |
| 23:41.17 | mado | well ... some people learn stuff by first having some guided assistance and then they can do stuff on their own |
| 23:41.22 | unborn | meh |
| 23:41.35 | unborn | !ops please mute me |
| 23:41.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: unborn complains about: please mute me |
| 23:41.48 | mado | see it like math, unborn : ) ... or when you learnt to read |
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| 23:42.07 | mado | did you know already right from the start what sound every letter makes? |
| 23:42.27 | mado | or if you're deaf or mute ... could you sign right away? |
| 23:42.34 | zinx | mado: nah. i had to teach myself. |
| 23:42.37 | mado | or when blind ... understand braile right away? |
| 23:42.44 | unborn | mado: i did know.. from start.. |
| 23:43.01 | TomTomTo1 | just move on, this is the right place for support questions^^ |
| 23:43.08 | unborn | I will keep quiet for some useful resource.. sorry :) |
| 23:43.24 | mado | good for you then unborn ... i did not : ) ... know that you're loved : ) |
| 23:43.41 | TomTomTo1 | plese just move on. |
| 23:43.46 | TomTomTo1 | *please |
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| 23:47.55 | Somelauw | In /etc/defaults/keyboard, I have a line that says XKBOPTIONS=lctrl-altgr,caps:escape, but when I press lctrl-altgr nothing happens. |
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| 23:52.36 | mado | maybe you need to change your keyboard layout Somelauw? |
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| 23:53.24 | pingfloyd | Somelauw: Note: XKB options can be overridden by the tools provided by some desktop environments such as GNOME |
| 23:53.54 | Somelauw | pingfloyd: i don't use a DE |
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| 23:56.14 | Somelauw | mado: well my whole keyboard file is like this https://bpaste.net/show/3430b8198ff5 |
| 23:56.49 | marrenarre | Woooot!! It works! |
| 23:56.56 | marrenarre | teraflops: I got it working. :D |
| 23:57.39 | marrenarre | And to think all I needed to do was install linux-source and linux-headers-amd64 and run the official installer. |
| 23:57.39 | mado | Congratulations marrenarre? : ) |
| 23:57.44 | marrenarre | And I'm not even sure that I need to install both of those first, but I did just in case. I suppose I'll do some testing to find out specifically, maybe. Maybe... |
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| 23:58.14 | marrenarre | mado: Thanks! |
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| 23:58.51 | marrenarre | Everything is great now. I can finally enjoy the efficiency of xmonad, vim, vimperator, and similar good things. |
| 23:58.51 | unborn | !next |
| 23:58.51 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 23:59.27 | marrenarre | I have to leave? :( |
| 23:59.42 | unborn | marrenarre: not at all! |
