| 00:00.36 | ceon | very interessting |
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| 00:01.09 | ceon | If I want to post some chubby charm ins linux |
| 00:01.17 | ceon | or security I get blocked |
| 00:01.31 | ceon | I know I am special |
| 00:01.47 | ceon | sorry I got an Aspergersyndrom |
| 00:01.55 | ceon | It is new to myself |
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| 00:02.10 | ceon | Sorry that I can write miles of text |
| 00:02.23 | ceon | I love debian |
| 00:02.59 | ceon | and now I hope i can get to work history |
| 00:03.05 | ceon | and screen |
| 00:03.18 | ceon | I surf kind of debian 8 |
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| 00:58.43 | rsarson | th0r; well, some progress... i removed the offending xml from /usr/share/mime/packages and my custom mime type now works. still not sure why local doesn't override global. one other person on the entire internet had the same problem after an ubuntu upgrade, but she was not answered. anyway, i'll take this workaround for now. thanks again for humouring me today. |
| 00:59.19 | th0r | rsarson, no problem, glad you got it working |
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| 01:41.46 | Tekk_ | Hey, anyone know of a workaround for the proprietary amd drivers not building on stretch? I assume this is why the package is in non-free |
| 01:42.03 | Tekk_ | But it kinda sucks when I don't have audio on my desktop because radeon/amdgpu doesn't seem to do hdmi audio |
| 01:42.07 | tx | The package is non free because they are not openly licensed by AMD. |
| 01:42.21 | Tekk_ | tx: I actually typod |
| 01:42.25 | Tekk_ | it *isn't* in non-free |
| 01:42.38 | tx | ohh |
| 01:42.44 | tx | so it's nowhere at all? :P |
| 01:42.53 | tx | You will find that in testing packages might not be there at all. |
| 01:42.54 | Tekk_ | Precisely |
| 01:42.58 | Tekk_ | Yeah, I know |
| 01:43.00 | tx | is it in sid? |
| 01:43.13 | Tekk_ | That I haven't checked yet, sec |
| 01:43.27 | Tekk_ | Nope |
| 01:43.50 | Tekk_ | The issue is, I think, that the driver is incompatible with the kernel in testing |
| 01:43.53 | Tekk_ | the module fails to build |
| 01:44.09 | tx | ah |
| 01:44.16 | tx | Got all of the kernel sources and whatnot? |
| 01:44.23 | Tekk_ | yep |
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| 01:44.31 | Tekk_ | A define changed, from what I could tell searching |
| 01:44.40 | Tekk_ | and one the kernel shim uses doesn't exist |
| 01:44.46 | tx | Damn |
| 01:44.54 | tx | Well, I suppose you could try using the one on AMD's site. |
| 01:44.54 | Tekk_ | And it certainly doesn't help that AMD hasn't actually bothered to release a driver in... |
| 01:45.08 | Tekk_ | Yeah, that's what I tried and got the error |
| 01:45.12 | Tekk_ | which is why I assume there's no package |
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| 01:45.31 | Tekk_ | Yeah, last time AMD bothered releasing a driver was december 18th |
| 01:45.38 | Tekk_ | They haven't released a beta since like 14.9 |
| 01:45.42 | Tekk_ | (the latest stable is 15.12) |
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| 01:46.44 | tx | didja follow the guide here? http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian#Installing_Manually |
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| 01:47.51 | Tekk_ | Hmm.. |
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| 01:47.59 | Tekk_ | Actually |
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| 01:48.09 | Tekk_ | I think AMD may have just straight-up dropped support for fglrx |
| 01:48.34 | Tekk_ | I'm seeing news stories about how amd refused to support ubuntu 16.04 and such |
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| 01:50.58 | vyadhaka | when installing debain on one disk with LVM, can I set the whole disk as a PV, or do I have to create a partition table and use a partition? |
| 01:51.57 | RoyK | vyadhaka: I beleive grub supports booting from LVM, so yes, it should work well |
| 01:52.04 | RoyK | vyadhaka: not sure, though |
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| 01:53.06 | RoyK | believe, even |
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| 01:53.31 | vyadhaka | i guess I will have to test it |
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| 02:30.32 | aedinius | I'm not sure what's going on -- I have a VM using qemu-kvm. I connect to it via spice (using spicy). Same VM on desktop works fine. On my laptop, I get a blank screen and nothing else as soon as spice service on the VM is initialized |
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| 02:31.09 | aedinius | Both desktop and laptop are setup identical afaik, not sure what the difference is |
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| 02:34.27 | aedinius | I think it might be related to the video on my laptop being intel, since it shows the same problem over ssh |
| 02:37.51 | aedinius | And doing it in reverse. I can display it on my desktop when its running on my laptop |
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| 02:38.13 | aedinius | So it definitely seems to be a problem with just display on the intel. Any suggestions? |
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| 02:53.48 | mapm | hello |
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| 02:55.10 | mapm | I need to use the integrated camera of a lenovo thinkpad x11 carbon, using debian 8.3, and I don't know how to start. I installed Cheese but when I start it it says "No device found". What should I do? I have no idea of kernel modules etc. |
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| 02:55.43 | mapm | I also looked it up in internet but I can not find a good answer |
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| 03:10.28 | iamawesome | Hi, Why did i get this message at the end of installation, what should i do? Current status: 0 broken [-1]. |
| 03:12.54 | dvs | iamawesome, it means that a broken package was fixed. |
| 03:13.58 | iamawesome | How can i know which the broken package is? |
| 03:14.10 | iamawesome | What does Current status: 0 mean? |
| 03:14.19 | dvs | 0 broken |
| 03:14.39 | pingfloyd | iamawesome: what's the rest of the output? |
| 03:14.50 | iamawesome | Current status: 0 broken [-1]. , it was the last line |
| 03:15.10 | pingfloyd | what's the rest of your output from apt-get or aptitute? |
| 03:15.17 | iamawesome | dvs: What is [-1] ? |
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| 03:15.31 | dvs | iamawesome, it fixed one package |
| 03:16.18 | iamawesome | Ok, I think, everything is fine. |
| 03:16.21 | iamawesome | Thank you all. |
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| 03:19.12 | mapm | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.12 | mapm | modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'uvcvideo': Module already in kernel |
| 03:19.49 | mapm | I think this was the kernel module needed for the webcam, but then I do not know what to do next |
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| 03:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | udev should automatically load that module when it's needed |
| 03:24.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you mean "do next" |
| 03:24.35 | mapm | to be able, for example, to use Cheese with the built in webcam |
| 03:24.39 | reinaldo__Aguila | Algun venezolano en el canal |
| 03:24.40 | mapm | it says "No device found" |
| 03:25.48 | mapm | http://pastebin.com/V10D166H |
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| 03:32.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that an usb webcam? |
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| 03:32.40 | mapm | built in |
| 03:32.49 | mapm | I don't know if it is usb connected |
| 03:33.55 | mapm | this is an output of dmesg when I make "modprobe -r uvcvideo; modprobe uvcvideo": [ 5013.429974] usbcore: deregistering interface driver uvcvideo |
| 03:33.55 | mapm | [ 5017.530030] media: Linux media interface: v0.10 |
| 03:33.55 | mapm | [ 5017.532724] Linux video capture interface: v2.00 |
| 03:33.55 | mapm | [ 5017.535153] usbcore: registered new interface driver uvcvideo |
| 03:33.55 | mapm | [ 5017.535156] USB Video Class driver (1.1.1) |
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| 03:34.10 | mapm | sorry for flooding |
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| 03:34.31 | missmbob | lsusb should give you the pciid if it is |
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| 03:34.53 | missmbob | otherwise get it from lspci -nn |
| 03:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | usb isn't pci |
| 03:35.01 | missmbob | i know |
| 03:35.13 | mapm | https://paste.debian.net/842495/ |
| 03:35.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as far as I could ever tell, the ID you get dosn't match either |
| 03:36.05 | missmbob | mapm: no. so lspci -nn |
| 03:36.21 | mapm | https://paste.debian.net/842496/ |
| 03:36.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | funnily my webcam just worked out of the box and I can't see it in either lspci nor lsusb |
| 03:37.11 | mapm | should it be 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics [8086:1616] (rev 09)? |
| 03:37.12 | missmbob | hrm. |
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| 03:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | try lshw |
| 03:38.12 | mapm | ok |
| 03:39.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually mine *is* in lsusb, but you only find the term "camera" with lsusb -v |
| 03:39.52 | mapm | https://paste.debian.net/842498/ |
| 03:41.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems it's really just not seen at all |
| 03:42.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I'd try to look it up in the specs of the laptop or whatever it's in |
| 03:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you can just blindly try a newer kernel |
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| 03:43.37 | mapm | mmm. here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carbon#Webcam and here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carbon_%28Gen_2%29#Webcam worked out of the box |
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| 03:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 03:44.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.4-2+b1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.4-2); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2) |
| 03:44.31 | mapm | I also had problems with the microphone (: |
| 03:44.37 | mapm | well, still have |
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| 03:45.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, try the 4.6.0 kernel from backports⦠|
| 03:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I don't see 4.6.0 in the repo for amd64 anymore right now |
| 03:46.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, snapshots |
| 03:46.00 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 03:46.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
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| 03:48.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's annoying. the 4.6.0-amd64 just disappeared from backports |
| 03:48.03 | mapm | modules, if it helps... https://paste.debian.net/842499/ |
| 03:48.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably not, if it's not seen at all |
| 03:49.30 | mapm | yeah... well, I think I will try upgrading the kernel |
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| 03:49.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can still look for the messages in dmesg ⦠on boot or when unloading and loading the module again |
| 03:49.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but probably that just says "hardware not found" |
| 03:49.59 | mapm | yes I looked at them |
| 03:50.17 | mapm | if you look up, you will see a little flood of mine and me getting kicked |
| 03:50.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno⦠those should be usb, and I thought even if they're not recognized, they should turn up |
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| 03:51.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah yes |
| 03:51.11 | mapm | dmesg seems to recognize it, does it? (I'm not sure (: ) |
| 03:51.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't see the important lines in there |
| 03:51.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | did that continue? |
| 03:51.32 | mapm | nope |
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| 03:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | [ 5017.535156] was the last line seen here |
| 03:51.59 | mapm | well, before, when un/loading the module, it said this: |
| 03:52.45 | mapm | https://paste.debian.net/842500/ |
| 03:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have for my cam e.g. uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device Integrated Camera and then also input: Integrated Camera as /devices/pci0000:00[â¦} |
| 03:53.34 | mapm | so I made apt-get install v86d and then it seemed to work, but nothing |
| 03:53.50 | mapm | mmmm |
| 03:54.00 | mapm | maybe if I restart the computer |
| 03:54.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should be unrelated |
| 03:55.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | vesa-framebuffer should be some compatibility video output , not camera |
| 03:55.56 | mapm | well, I'll have to investigate this further in the near future (: thank you for your help! gotta go now |
| 03:56.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno what the "u" is for, but maybe "universal" |
| 03:56.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | bb |
| 03:56.17 | mapm | see you |
| 03:58.37 | surfist | I have a wheezy-based distro.. and uh... libgweather is now broken due to noaa metar data etc changing... will using a newer libgweather and it's dependencies (probably for newer than wheezy) break things? or the entire system? |
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| 04:04.43 | tom99 | I used wheezy and I typed apt-get install libgweather and no package found |
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| 04:05.58 | tom99 | oh ok I already have it but it's just a dynamic library file. |
| 04:06.03 | surfist | well apt-get search libgweather shows some packages but not newer ones |
| 04:06.13 | tom99 | mine shows libgweather-3-0 |
| 04:06.32 | surfist | yep.... that one has a problem now since noaa changed |
| 04:06.33 | tom99 | 3.4.1-build1 is the version reported by wheezy |
| 04:06.44 | tom99 | alright if you say so |
| 04:06.47 | tom99 | i don't know what to do now |
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| 04:06.58 | tom99 | to verify your bug |
| 04:07.09 | surfist | well, the weather icon in the panel no longer works |
| 04:07.17 | surfist | due to it doesn't know the url change |
| 04:07.44 | surfist | maybe I can add official wheezy repo ? |
| 04:07.50 | tom99 | i'm using gnome and i see no weather icon or applet. |
| 04:08.06 | tom99 | pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and i'll tell you if I have the same ones if you want |
| 04:08.09 | surfist | you can add to gnome 'weather report' |
| 04:08.11 | tom99 | i just added the main ones |
| 04:09.43 | tom99 | I ran gnome-tweak-tool but don't see anything about a weather report |
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| 04:10.18 | surfist | alt right click on panel? 'add to panel' ? |
| 04:10.48 | tom99 | oh i see it thanks |
| 04:10.52 | tom99 | silly me I was just right clicking |
| 04:11.10 | tom99 | when OBVIOUSLY I should have known to alt-right click. lol gnome you twats |
| 04:11.19 | surfist | heh |
| 04:12.32 | tom99 | I get doppler radar picture for 600 miles |
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| 04:12.45 | tom99 | well I guess gnome is useful for something besides taking up my screen area |
| 04:12.53 | surfist | that snapshot repo stuff is looking interesting.. if I keep my system somewhat frozen in time |
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| 04:13.24 | surfist | my radar stuff is not configured.. the applet runs but it never updates |
| 04:13.30 | surfist | I know what the problem is |
| 04:13.37 | surfist | need a newer libgweather |
| 04:13.46 | surfist | but my old repo no have eet |
| 04:14.02 | tom99 | is it not supposed to show a "--" in the panel? |
| 04:14.10 | surfist | so 2 options.. hack the code for the old source, or somehow upgrade |
| 04:14.39 | surfist | nope.. -- means it hasn't found anything.. you should see e.g. a sun icon and a temperature |
| 04:15.06 | tom99 | what about creating a symlink in /usr/lib for a new version of libgweather-3.so.0 ? |
| 04:15.38 | surfist | well... the new libgweather has dependencies problems |
| 04:15.49 | tom99 | i mean forget about apt |
| 04:15.54 | surfist | it wants newer gtk+ newer libsoap .. other fun stuff |
| 04:16.00 | tom99 | find the new libgweather package, open it up, and install the .so file on your system |
| 04:16.03 | surfist | I feel a chain reaction possibly |
| 04:16.19 | surfist | hrmm |
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| 04:16.30 | surfist | I suppose all it can do is crash :) |
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| 04:16.35 | surfist | or fail to run |
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| 04:16.44 | tom99 | the problem is that they changed the method of reporting and so you need the new version |
| 04:16.50 | tom99 | but the new version is giving you dependency hell |
| 04:16.57 | tom99 | so yeah it's worth a shot i guess |
| 04:17.05 | surfist | yeah weather.noaa.gov is not tftp.nws.noaa.gov |
| 04:17.16 | tom99 | cd usr/lib; mv libgweather-3.so.0 libgweather-3.so.old |
| 04:17.17 | surfist | s/not/now |
| 04:17.53 | surfist | in command line 'weather utils' I hacked the python code so it now works |
| 04:18.07 | surfist | but it doesn't use libgweather |
| 04:18.09 | tom99 | mv newfile /usr/lib/libgweather-3.so.0 |
| 04:18.25 | tom99 | what is weather utils? |
| 04:18.27 | jmcnaught | tom99: that's not a very good idea |
| 04:18.46 | surfist | a cli command called 'weather' |
| 04:19.09 | surfist | used as weather egll for example |
| 04:19.10 | jmcnaught | file in /usr/lib should only be managed by the package manager. if you manually replace files in /usr, dpkg will overwrite them |
| 04:19.20 | tom99 | jmcnaught, I suppose he could try finding the updated source code and compiling it manually |
| 04:19.21 | jmcnaught | /usr/local is the exception |
| 04:19.24 | tom99 | apt-get won't let him install it |
| 04:19.42 | tom99 | jmcnaught: ah i see |
| 04:19.52 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell surfist about wheezy->jessie |
| 04:19.52 | simbalion | I installed some package which cause dpkg to think a half-dozen necessary packages were no longer needed, and I did an autoremove before realizing what it was removing. I stopped it, but a few necessary things have gone missing, including network manager. I have physical access to the machine and a USB key, how can I restore my network settings? |
| 04:19.53 | surfist | apt-get is staring at the wrong repo for now |
| 04:20.08 | jmcnaught | surfist: Debian is easy to upgrade if you follow the insturctions |
| 04:20.17 | tom99 | well, isn't upgrading to jessie to fix one minor problem a bit drastic? |
| 04:20.22 | missmbob | jmcnaught: but he's not on debian |
| 04:20.30 | jmcnaught | oh |
| 04:20.33 | missmbob | jmcnaught: he said "wheezy-based distro"...whatever that is |
| 04:20.41 | tom99 | what is a "wheezy-based distro" if not debian |
| 04:20.45 | surfist | kali |
| 04:20.47 | jmcnaught | surfist: please get support in your distro's channel |
| 04:20.51 | tom99 | dafuq |
| 04:20.52 | jmcnaught | !based on debian |
| 04:20.52 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 04:20.53 | missmbob | tom99: see? |
| 04:21.01 | surfist | it's a debian problem |
| 04:21.12 | simbalion | does anyone know how to help me? |
| 04:21.21 | tom99 | well i *am* using wheezy and it doesn't appear to be working for me |
| 04:21.26 | tom99 | so i'm interested in solving it as well |
| 04:21.36 | tom99 | what sh ould it display in the panel surfist, a temperature? |
| 04:21.39 | surfist | old libgweather is broken now |
| 04:21.41 | tom99 | instead of the -.- ? |
| 04:21.45 | jmcnaught | tom99: upgrading to jessie is practical because it's covered by the security team and not the limited LTS program, and has improvements over wheezy in many ways |
| 04:22.01 | surfist | you should see numbers like 87F |
| 04:22.08 | tom99 | jmcnaught: yes but how big is the download going to be? it's easier to change a symlink than to download gigabytes of stuff |
| 04:22.17 | jmcnaught | simbalion: did you try "apt-get install network-manager" ? |
| 04:22.32 | simbalion | jmcnaught: the network is not operational, I thought that was obvious |
| 04:22.39 | ryouma | tom99: it will say upon attempted upgrade, no? |
| 04:22.39 | jmcnaught | simbalion: auto remove shouldn't have removed something like network manager |
| 04:22.50 | ryouma | tom99: at least for the first part, dunno if it is in 2 parts |
| 04:22.51 | simbalion | jmcnaught: Also obvious.. not answering my question. |
| 04:23.11 | jmcnaught | simbalion: we get a broad range of experience here, nothing is obvious, but you sound like you don't need/want help |
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| 04:23.37 | simbalion | jmcnaught: If I didn't want or need help I wouldn't have asked for it. I asked a pretty specific question, and you didn't even try to answer my specific question. In fact. |
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| 04:24.14 | tom99 | I'm on ftp.gnome.org, it says you can download the source for libgweather of any version. |
| 04:24.19 | simbalion | I've got install media for 8.5 but I don't want to wreck the existing system just to reinstall the network software |
| 04:24.51 | tom99 | ryouma: you mean if I change my apt/sources.list to jessie and do apt-get update/dist-upgrade it will report the amount? |
| 04:25.08 | surfist | I have the source .. it still won't compile without fixing dependencies |
| 04:25.29 | tom99 | surfist: do you know the exact version it stopped working? |
| 04:25.29 | surfist | will figure it out eventually .. am in the 'asking around' phas |
| 04:25.30 | surfist | e |
| 04:25.36 | tom99 | it has up to 3.20.3 in the ftp.gnome.org |
| 04:25.40 | surfist | it's recent |
| 04:25.49 | surfist | 3.19 fixed it |
| 04:25.53 | ryouma | tom99: it always reports the disk space that will be used, which is a proxy for the amount you will download. but i was concerned that if you did it in two parts, you won't know the disk space used by the second part. but i don't know if you will have to do it in two parts. |
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| 04:26.17 | surfist | I went to github for libgweather.. latest and old stuff |
| 04:27.09 | jmcnaught | surfist: please respect that other distros are off topic in #debian. you could try asking in ##linux if your distro's channel is dead |
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| 04:27.29 | ryouma | ##linux isn't such a bad place -- try it |
| 04:27.40 | ryouma | it's not like you are being sent to purgatory |
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| 04:27.54 | surfist | I don't want 'distro specific' info :) per se |
| 04:28.00 | tom99 | surfist: my version is talking about last changelog update in 2012 i think? |
| 04:28.03 | surfist | this is so basic it's on every debian |
| 04:28.30 | surfist | almost like a libc problem |
| 04:29.05 | surfist | well.. when did wheezy stop getting new packages? |
| 04:29.09 | surfist | maybe that could help |
| 04:29.20 | surfist | or I can just surf it's repo |
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| 04:29.26 | ryouma | surfist: ooh, i use weather too. and it is broken for me in jessie. |
| 04:29.49 | surfist | ryouma the command line weather? |
| 04:30.05 | ryouma | yes |
| 04:30.06 | ryouma | weather error: failed to retrieve http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/decoded/KTUS.TXT HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found |
| 04:30.22 | surfist | that's easy enough to fix |
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| 04:30.29 | ryouma | how? |
| 04:30.36 | ryouma | i keep checking for backports :) |
| 04:30.50 | simbalion | Okay different problem, I've fixed my network connection, and am trying to install network-manager, but I get an error saying unmet dependencies won't be installed. libpam-systemd, for example. Which should already be installed. |
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| 04:30.57 | simbalion | shouldn't it? |
| 04:31.01 | tom99 | I get a configure error with glib-compile-schemas . And you're saying it's all a URL change? |
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| 04:31.33 | surfist | ryouma the command line weather is in /usr/share/weather-util |
| 04:31.38 | simbalion | I think this happened when I attempted to install selinux |
| 04:31.57 | truthinmessaging | "Whatever the censor we will get around and reformat. NOTHING can stop the Truth now. The cat truly is out of the bag. Even if they shut the internet, we will get the Truth out. In fact more censorship = more real activism." |
| 04:32.14 | truthinmessaging | http://www.renegadetribune.com/youtube-social-justice-brigades-coming-videos/ |
| 04:32.21 | tom99 | I am now installing weather -util with the command >apt-get install weather-util |
| 04:32.28 | truthinmessaging | Heh heh heh. |
| 04:32.35 | jmcnaught | !ops truthinmessaging |
| 04:32.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: truthinmessaging |
| 04:32.55 | tom99 | In the meantime surfist I recommend using an alternative like a command line program or else a different desktop environment or your phone |
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| 04:33.13 | ryouma | surfist: and change teh urls there to something? |
| 04:33.32 | surfist | tom99 I am using my modified weather-utils and it works fine |
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| 04:33.43 | ryouma | you modified the urls in that dir? |
| 04:33.52 | tom99 | would it work to download the unstable deb for libgweather and forcibly install it? |
| 04:33.54 | jmcnaught | simbalion: can you show the command you're using and the output in a paste? |
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| 04:34.12 | surfist | ryouma yeah... gedit weather.ph and change weather.noaa.gov/pub/ to tftp.new.noaa.gov/ |
| 04:34.19 | jmcnaught | simbalion: also "/msg dpkg bat" for other information generally needed to troubleshoot apt problems |
| 04:34.23 | surfist | errr weather.py |
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| 04:34.43 | surfist | and uh tftp.nws.noaa.gov |
| 04:34.45 | simbalion | jmcnaught: can you tell me if jessie uses systemd? |
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| 04:35.02 | tx | it does |
| 04:35.03 | surfist | tgftp.nws.noaa.gov |
| 04:35.04 | surfist | sheeesh |
| 04:35.08 | jmcnaught | simbalion: it does by default, but you can also use sysvinit or upstart |
| 04:35.12 | simbalion | the problem, I'm fairly certain, is that selinux wrecked some of the essential system packages |
| 04:35.16 | ryouma | question for debian people: what is a good way to modify the weather data without changing the stuff debian controls? or is it sort of ok (but not really) to change it if it is going to be just overwritten by the next version? must i make my own package? |
| 04:35.32 | ryouma | i.e. i am thinking is there a ... redirect or some such mechanism for htat |
| 04:35.35 | tx | simbalion: jessie uses systemd by default. |
| 04:35.40 | binaryc | not nearly as comprehesive as weather uitl. but fun trick if you haven't seen it check out curl wttr.in/Chicago |
| 04:35.48 | tx | Oh, you already replied, damn scroll bar. |
| 04:36.17 | jmcnaught | simbalion: are you talking about the selinux-basics and selinux-utils packages in Debian, or something else? |
| 04:36.34 | ryouma | binaryc: will try it |
| 04:36.42 | surfist | what's a good sources.list line for wheezy? |
| 04:36.51 | simbalion | jmcnaught: here is a paste of the output, http://hastebin.com/raw/mefilofode |
| 04:37.02 | tom99 | surfist, here's where you can download the deb file from stretch |
| 04:37.02 | tx | surfist: the default one does just fine |
| 04:37.08 | simbalion | apt says systemd is the latest version |
| 04:37.08 | apt | simbalion: okay |
| 04:37.12 | tom99 | maybe try to extract the so file from it? https://packages.debian.org/stretch/i386/libgweather-3-6/download |
| 04:37.24 | tx | apt install ls |
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| 04:37.59 | jmcnaught | simbalion: is systemd not installed? "apt-cache policy systemd libpam-systemd" |
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| 04:39.06 | simbalion | jmcnaught: libpam-systemd isn't, apparently. systemd is. |
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| 04:39.28 | simbalion | jmcnaught: http://hastebin.com/raw/amopumesur |
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| 04:40.10 | jmcnaught | simbalion: you have installed systemd from jessie-backports. If you want to install libpam-systemd from backports, you need to use "-t jessie-backports" in your apt-get command |
| 04:40.23 | simbalion | jmcnaught: thanks I just noticed that myself |
| 04:40.43 | simbalion | this is why I don't like selinux. I think it was created to wreck peoples' day. |
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| 04:43.49 | binaryc | ryouma: curl wttr.in/Moon is neat too |
| 04:44.16 | tx | the social network bars kinda ruin it |
| 04:44.16 | simbalion | jmcnaught: thanks for your help :) |
| 04:44.35 | ryouma | binaryc: it looks great but i would need to postprocess it to get it to fit within width. it is much too wide. |
| 04:45.09 | ryouma | (for chicago) |
| 04:45.15 | tom99 | surfist, I tried replacing the .so file and it didn't work |
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| 04:45.29 | tom99 | if you can perhaps figure out how to file a bug report that might get some info? |
| 04:45.32 | tom99 | idk how to help you more |
| 04:45.46 | binaryc | yeah, not worth post processing. better services out there. I like the curl tricks for when i am on other machines. host a few personal ones |
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| 04:48.30 | surfist | tom99 yeah.. dependency fun |
| 04:48.31 | surfist | maybe a backport will appear someday |
| 04:49.25 | tom99 | surfist: i'm always ready to learn more about linux stuff. if you find someone with know how let me know and i'll help build it if i can |
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| 04:50.12 | tom99 | oh wow |
| 04:50.16 | tom99 | fucking shit balls |
| 04:50.33 | tom99 | When i restarted the system overwrote my symbolic links so it's back to the way it was before |
| 04:50.54 | tom99 | i guess dpkg must run as part of system startup or something |
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| 04:51.00 | surfist | far out |
| 04:52.28 | surfist | I cheated... made a copy of the original, made a copy of the new, copied new to old (renamed) |
| 04:52.56 | surfist | all the applet did was crash |
| 04:53.07 | surfist | copied old back... worked again |
| 04:53.43 | surfist | used a hex editor.. crashed |
| 04:53.57 | surfist | options include finding old code and rewriting it |
| 04:54.07 | surfist | the sources |
| 04:54.16 | tom99 | surfist: i'm sorry to make you repeat it but how do I fix weather so it works correct? |
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| 04:54.38 | tom99 | i tried "weather "Chicago Midway Airport" and it gave me an error about weather.noaa.gov |
| 04:55.21 | tom99 | surfist: i guess if compilation is an option that might work. what's it written in? |
| 04:55.32 | surfist | tom99 go into /usr/share/weather-util/ use gedit to find and replace weather.noaa.gov/pub/ with tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/ |
| 04:55.45 | surfist | gedit weather.py |
| 04:56.19 | surfist | also unzip and edit zones.gz |
| 04:56.28 | surfist | then rezip |
| 04:56.50 | surfist | or just use nautilus to get at zones.gz |
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| 04:58.29 | tom99 | the line where it says "metar"? |
| 04:58.44 | surfist | don't replace the entire line |
| 04:58.50 | surfist | but yeah.. the metar line |
| 04:59.08 | tom99 | or the one where it is setting uritype? |
| 04:59.13 | tom99 | it's 2 lines |
| 04:59.17 | surfist | find and replace weather.noaa.gov/pub/ with tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/ |
| 04:59.24 | tom99 | ok i'll rpelace both then |
| 04:59.40 | surfist | hold on |
| 05:00.26 | surfist | 2 places |
| 05:00.37 | surfist | where "metar" is |
| 05:01.01 | surfist | and where zones is near |
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| 05:01.40 | ryouma | will try when i get a chance. what is the debianly correct fix here? is there a ... what's it called which like that slim locales uses? |
| 05:01.59 | tom99 | it's got a line about % urimatch.group(1) |
| 05:02.07 | tom99 | is that it? |
| 05:02.21 | surfist | I left that line alone |
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| 05:02.55 | surfist | you should see zones[zone][uritype] \ |
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| 05:03.11 | surfist | the next line is the url |
| 05:03.54 | tom99 | oh i got it i think |
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| 05:04.08 | surfist | which should say: = "http://tgftp.news.noaa.gov/%s" \ |
| 05:04.29 | tom99 | er well that's the one I'm asking about |
| 05:04.31 | surfist | wait |
| 05:04.34 | surfist | not news nws |
| 05:04.43 | surfist | yep, that line |
| 05:04.46 | tom99 | ok |
| 05:05.29 | surfist | the other line is "metar": "http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data/observatrions/"\ |
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| 05:05.39 | surfist | observations |
| 05:05.48 | tom99 | er there's a LOT of lines in zone |
| 05:05.50 | tom99 | replace all of them? |
| 05:06.12 | surfist | yeap but just the first parts of the url |
| 05:06.18 | tom99 | weather.noaa.gov -> tgftp.nws.noaa.gov ? |
| 05:06.41 | surfist | weather.noaa.gov/pub/ tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/ |
| 05:06.51 | tom99 | well some of them don't have /pub after the url |
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| 05:06.58 | tom99 | leave those alone? |
| 05:07.04 | surfist | just a sec |
| 05:07.40 | tom99 | for example the first occurrence is weather.noaa.gov/data/nsd_cccc.txt |
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| 05:08.43 | surfist | you won't see the /pub/ |
| 05:08.59 | surfist | so just change weather.noaa.gov to tgpft.nws.noaa.gov |
| 05:09.00 | tom99 | huh? |
| 05:09.08 | tom99 | ok... |
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| 05:09.21 | surfist | so just change weather.noaa.gov to tgftp.nws.noaa.gov |
| 05:09.23 | surfist | rather |
| 05:09.27 | surfist | make a backup first |
| 05:09.37 | surfist | so ya don't bork your only good copy |
| 05:09.42 | tom99 | replaced 78366 occurrences |
| 05:09.50 | surfist | yep |
| 05:10.03 | surfist | lotta zones |
| 05:10.32 | tom99 | I didn't but I have another wheezy install I can use if I have to |
| 05:10.48 | tom99 | weather "Chicago Midway Airport" |
| 05:10.48 | surfist | worst case is more find and replace with corrections |
| 05:11.08 | surfist | it likes icao codes or zip codes |
| 05:11.13 | surfist | weather lax |
| 05:11.17 | tom99 | http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/decoded/KMDW.TXT |
| 05:11.17 | surfist | weather 90210 |
| 05:11.49 | tom99 | by the way gedit doesn't work on my system |
| 05:11.58 | surfist | :/ |
| 05:12.06 | tom99 | so I used emacs zones.xz to edit it and it seemed to automatically compress and uncompress it |
| 05:12.16 | surfist | far out |
| 05:12.20 | tom99 | yeah it gives HTTP 404 error |
| 05:13.08 | tom99 | grep reports no occurrence of "weather.noaa.gov" in weather.py |
| 05:13.18 | tom99 | and emacs says no occurrence of it in zones.xz either |
| 05:13.21 | n-iCe | Hi, do you guys actually use GNOME3? |
| 05:13.58 | tom99 | no offense meant surfist but i don't see much more to be gained from messing around with this |
| 05:14.00 | surfist | all of weather.noaa.gov/pub/ should now be tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/ |
| 05:14.01 | tom99 | unless you have any other ideas |
| 05:14.07 | tom99 | it is |
| 05:14.14 | tom99 | hmm |
| 05:14.54 | tom99 | well I did not eliminate the /pub and I can still see it in the second URL |
| 05:14.56 | tom99 | in zones.xz |
| 05:14.59 | tom99 | [00:09] <surfist> so just change weather.noaa.gov to tgpft.nws.noaa.gov |
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| 05:15.23 | tom99 | maybe if I delete weather.pyc? |
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| 05:15.57 | surfist | zones.gz is different that weather.py for editing |
| 05:16.00 | tom99 | nope that didn't work |
| 05:16.12 | surfist | in weather.py you change the /pub/ also |
| 05:16.18 | surfist | in zones.gz you don't |
| 05:18.11 | tom99 | i think somehow that happened |
| 05:18.19 | surfist | acually, in weather.py you remove the pub/ in zones.gz there is no pub |
| 05:18.47 | tom99 | metar": "http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data/observations/"\ is the first one |
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| 05:19.03 | surfist | yep |
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| 05:19.38 | tom99 | and then "http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/%s |
| 05:19.40 | tom99 | yes |
| 05:20.04 | tom99 | right in zones.xz I did the change weather.noaa.gov ---> tgftp.nws.noaa.gov |
| 05:20.56 | surfist | is "http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/%s really "http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/%s" note the closing quote |
| 05:22.10 | tom99 | there is a closing quote so it matches the second thing yes |
| 05:22.35 | surfist | you could delete or rename weather.pyc |
| 05:22.44 | tom99 | i did |
| 05:22.51 | surfist | it reappears after first run anyhow |
| 05:22.56 | tom99 | I also grepped for weather.noaa.gov and it only matched one occurrence inside a python comment |
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| 05:23.22 | tom99 | want me to reboot it? |
| 05:23.32 | tom99 | that might be id |
| 05:23.33 | tom99 | *it |
| 05:23.34 | surfist | no need for that |
| 05:23.53 | tom99 | weather.noaa.gov text still mysteriously appears, why I do not know |
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| 05:24.39 | tom99 | weather.noaa.ogv/pub/data/observations/metar/decoded/KSMO.TXT HTTP 404 ERROR |
| 05:24.46 | tom99 | lol that's weird |
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| 05:24.51 | surfist | hmmm |
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| 05:24.59 | surfist | how about editing stations.gz |
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| 05:25.20 | surfist | yeah |
| 05:25.45 | surfist | edit stations.gz and replace noaa.weather.gov with tgftp.nws.noaa.gov |
| 05:25.49 | tom99 | ok |
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| 05:26.34 | tom99 | now it says |
| 05:26.51 | tom99 | tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/decoded/KSMO.TXT HTTP 404 ERROR |
| 05:27.08 | surfist | far out |
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| 05:27.09 | tom99 | excuse me it says error then http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/decoded/KSMO.TXT HTTP 404 ERROR |
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| 05:27.25 | surfist | remove /pub |
| 05:27.34 | tom99 | HTTP Error 404: Not Found |
| 05:27.57 | surfist | http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/decoded/KSMO.TXT should be http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data/observations/metar/decoded/KSMO.TXT |
| 05:28.19 | surfist | reedit and remove /pub |
| 05:28.32 | surfist | from each line |
| 05:28.55 | tom99 | http://paste.debian.net/842516 |
| 05:28.56 | tom99 | success |
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| 05:29.27 | tom99 | temperature 75 degrees, relative humidity 55% in wherever the hell 90210 is |
| 05:30.09 | tom99 | so should I go to zones.xz and replace all occurrences of "tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/pub" with "tgftp.nws.noaa.gov" ? :p |
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| 05:30.43 | tom99 | seems like everything is broken on debian lol |
| 05:31.21 | surfist | so weather.py works now? |
| 05:32.05 | surfist | well... weather and libgweather were fine until noaa changed it's url |
| 05:32.11 | surfist | fun how that happens |
| 05:32.20 | surfist | all the hardcoded stuff goes in the tank |
| 05:33.14 | Stranger09 | #i3 |
| 05:33.23 | tom99 | i don't know if weather.py works |
| 05:33.37 | tom99 | is that what is run when I type "weather 90210" at the command lien? |
| 05:33.41 | surfist | it works when you do weather 92010 |
| 05:33.43 | surfist | yep |
| 05:33.57 | tom99 | ok |
| 05:34.14 | surfist | 90210 is los angeles, santa monica, beverly hills.. tv show named after it |
| 05:34.15 | tom99 | this seems like a basic programming principle. lol |
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| 05:34.22 | surfist | you can also do weather -f klax |
| 05:34.25 | tom99 | have one point of control |
| 05:34.27 | surfist | get a forecast |
| 05:34.35 | tom99 | what are those, radio station call numberS? |
| 05:34.36 | surfist | or weather -f 90210 |
| 05:34.38 | surfist | etc |
| 05:34.44 | surfist | airport codes |
| 05:35.01 | tom99 | oh. so if i put a 4 letter tv station or something it won't recognize it |
| 05:35.01 | surfist | you can also use weather station call signs if you know them |
| 05:35.09 | surfist | nope |
| 05:35.29 | tom99 | ah ok. maybe they all just use the same 4 letter fomat for call signs then |
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| 05:36.06 | roylaprattep | Hi, I deleted a user on my server, deleted home folder and all with --delete-all-files, but now I see that i have error apparently with mailbox, in my logs i see mail sent to lchamberland not working... then I tried to add the aliases lchamberland: roylaprattep, and mail still working! why? thats weirdddd! |
| 05:36.45 | surfist | tom99 somewhere in there is docs and notes |
| 05:37.11 | surfist | what it knows, where it got it's info.. how to generate more |
| 05:37.16 | surfist | seems tedious though |
| 05:37.21 | roylaprattep | someone can help me with that? |
| 05:38.14 | surfist | I only know couriermta and not very well at that |
| 05:38.19 | surfist | courier-mta |
| 05:39.24 | surfist | seems to me if you manually deleted directories the mail program doesn't know that yet |
| 05:39.33 | surfist | so it's a config file festival |
| 05:39.52 | jmcnaught | roylaprattep: is lchamberland the user that you deleted? |
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| 05:46.42 | tom99 | i'm gonna go afk for a bit |
| 05:46.47 | tom99 | but it was nice working with you surfist |
| 05:47.01 | tom99 | got to find out a little about how debian and gnome work (or fail to work as the case may be) |
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| 05:48.26 | tom99 | I was playing around with gconftool the other day as well. apparently you can use it to set the colors and properties of your terminal via command line |
| 05:48.35 | surfist | fun stuf tom99 |
| 05:48.41 | tom99 | although it wasn't as buggy as what we've been doing |
| 05:48.53 | tom99 | I found a color string property for background which was #FF00FF00FF00 |
| 05:48.53 | surfist | well... everything has bugs |
| 05:49.01 | surfist | part of the fun is fixing them |
| 05:49.08 | tom99 | and the FF's controled the red/green/blue but i couldn't tell what the other 00 field represent lol |
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| 05:49.16 | tom99 | surfist: eh well there's bugs and then there's bugs |
| 05:49.32 | tom99 | i don't get much pleasure out of fixing bugs caused by somebody being a complete moron |
| 05:49.33 | surfist | I prefer not to hack things back together if I can help it |
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| 05:50.05 | tom99 | anyways i'll be around if you need a wheezy person to test thigns |
| 05:50.07 | tom99 | ttfn |
| 05:50.09 | surfist | often 'updates' and 'upgrades' break things |
| 05:50.16 | surfist | hasta la pasta tom99 |
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| 06:29.50 | bakspace | how do you update linux kernel |
| 06:30.34 | KpuCko | bakspace what do you mean? you need a new version of kernel? |
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| 06:35.59 | ryouma | i thought there was supposed to be a backport or a jessie-updates |
| 06:36.00 | ryouma | for weahter |
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| 06:37.01 | tom99 | I didn't see one ryouma |
| 06:37.11 | tom99 | I searched on packages.debian.org, is that the right place? |
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| 06:37.19 | surfist | not sure about gnome weather but on xfce the weather applet works |
| 06:37.24 | ryouma | i was told it was in the works which means it is someplace in debianland |
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| 06:53.25 | stranger09 | set weechat.bar.title.color_fg black |
| 06:53.30 | n-iCe | is it normal than Debian gnome takes more time to install than Ubuntu with unity? |
| 06:53.37 | n-iCe | is gnome bigger? |
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| 06:56.33 | surfist | when did the wheezy rep stop getting updates? for reference |
| 06:56.43 | surfist | right up to september? |
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| 07:00.28 | jelly | dpkg, tell surfist about wheezy lts |
| 07:00.51 | tx | jelly: dpkg says no |
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| 07:03.50 | surfist | far owt |
| 07:04.21 | tx | https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ |
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| 07:05.11 | surfist | tanx tx |
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| 07:06.09 | hologirl | âThe white race is the cancer of humanity.â Susan Sontag, jewish marxist intellectual |
| 07:06.13 | surfist | am somewhat new to this "gee my stuff is now all breaking because of updates" fun |
| 07:06.22 | hologirl | âThe goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists.â-- Harvard educated jew, Noel Ignatiev |
| 07:06.38 | hologirl | âwe intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as âthe white raceâ is destroyed-not âdeconstructedâ but destroyed.â- Harvard educated jew, Noel Ignatiev |
| 07:06.48 | tx | can |
| 07:06.48 | tx | u |
| 07:06.49 | tx | not |
| 07:06.54 | hologirl | âWe are not Whites â either symbolically or literally â as anyone knows who goes to Israel.ââ Professor Leonard Fein at speech at 27th biennial congress of the Jewish Board of Deputies in Johannesburg, SA May 15, 1972. |
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| 07:10.13 | n-iCe | damn Debian is not installed yet |
| 07:10.18 | n-iCe | is taking so much |
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| 07:10.31 | MVNi | Dr E Michael Jones is awesome to say the least, he made me see that the Jew has destroyed or tried to destroy Christianity in the white western world which leaves a state of nihilism for us all and has us searching for cultures and spirituality that are not our own like buddhism etc, another great Catholic is Denis Wise. A great show Brian, you have interviewed pretty much everyone who is important and still alive. |
| 07:10.32 | MVNi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzR4HDdbQkg |
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| 07:13.30 | vak0160 | I need help with my dual monitor setting, I have intel hd4400 and nvidia geforce 210 card, the nvidia one is working, but the intel one is not detected on xrandr (lspci & lshw detect it though) |
| 07:13.44 | vak0160 | I'm using debian jessie |
| 07:14.05 | roewin | vak0160, try to update to the latest debian. |
| 07:14.07 | roewin | jessie is really old. |
| 07:14.15 | vak0160 | stretch? |
| 07:14.23 | tx | "really old" |
| 07:14.30 | tx | wheezy is really old l ol |
| 07:14.49 | babilen | roewin: jessie is the current stable release |
| 07:15.03 | roewin | babilen, stable is really old... |
| 07:15.06 | vak0160 | I already updated it to 8.6 and also using backports version for xorg server intel video |
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| 07:15.37 | roewin | vak0160, at least get a fresh kernel on there. |
| 07:15.52 | babilen | roewin: So are many other things, please do not recommend that people upgrade their boxes to a development release |
| 07:16.09 | vak0160 | tried with the backport version of linux-image, but I got broken package |
| 07:16.11 | roewin | so you recommend they use old, stale software? |
| 07:16.48 | roewin | babilen, like i said, he can at least put a fresh kernel on there. |
| 07:17.08 | babilen | roewin: No, that is not what I said. Providing support for stable (which includes guiding users to use backports and investigating the actual issue) is what we do here. You can certainly suggest upgrading to testing/unstable, but that shouldn't be the default reply |
| 07:17.13 | pingfloyd | !sns |
| 07:17.13 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 07:17.26 | babilen | dpkg: bdo kernel |
| 07:17.26 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 07:17.32 | ws2k3__ | wheezy realy old? its still supported... |
| 07:17.35 | babilen | vak0160: ^ might try that and show us what happens |
| 07:18.15 | roewin | fine. but debian unstable runs really well with very few issues ever. |
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| 07:18.36 | pingfloyd | hah |
| 07:18.37 | babilen | The current Perl transition is, well, interesting .. |
| 07:18.42 | roewin | pretty silly for a standard home user to be using jessie at this time. it's almost 2017. |
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| 07:19.01 | babilen | Either way: People should *not* upgrade their production systems to testing/unstable without proper warning |
| 07:19.03 | pingfloyd | roewin: did you just start using debian a week ago or something? |
| 07:19.09 | babilen | And there is nothing silly about that |
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| 07:19.35 | roewin | whatever. life is short, i can't fathom why anyone would want to run old software. |
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| 07:20.06 | pingfloyd | roewin: why is higher version number so important? |
| 07:20.13 | roewin | pingfloyd, freshness. |
| 07:20.21 | tx | lol |
| 07:20.22 | ws2k3__ | roewin lol.... Maby people want old software because old software is 9999% crash save? |
| 07:20.22 | roewin | i don't eat 2-week old lettuce either. |
| 07:20.25 | pingfloyd | freshness LOL |
| 07:20.30 | tx | this is very cute |
| 07:20.30 | vak0160 | I got this http://pastebin.com/YTVjvPvN |
| 07:20.33 | tx | roewin: how old are you? |
| 07:20.36 | pingfloyd | so well thought out there |
| 07:21.01 | pingfloyd | roewin: does your software spoil like food? |
| 07:21.10 | tx | it does |
| 07:21.16 | tx | his hard drive has bit decay |
| 07:21.28 | pingfloyd | it must be made out of eggs |
| 07:21.32 | babilen | Why don't we focus on supporting vak0160 rather than rehashing this conversation? |
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| 07:22.20 | vak0160 | another info: ubuntu 14:04 works though |
| 07:22.56 | babilen | vak0160: Could you run "aptitude search 'linux-image'" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 07:23.44 | n-iCe | Hi, firmware-iwlwifi is not available anymore? |
| 07:24.35 | babilen | n-iCe: Why do you think so? |
| 07:24.47 | roewin | vak0160, I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 with the latest kernel. The system runs phenomenally well. |
| 07:25.11 | vak0160 | http://paste.debian.net/842538/ |
| 07:25.16 | babilen | roewin: So do thousands of jessie installations |
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| 07:26.06 | roewin | babilen, LOL. Jessie installations. You sound like a troll. I remember jessie was current 3 years ago. |
| 07:26.07 | babilen | vak0160: Could you install linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned from jessie-backports? |
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| 07:26.30 | n-iCe | babilen: E: Package 'firmware-iwlwifi' has no installation candidate |
| 07:26.35 | babilen | roewin: Seriously, drop it. If you have no intention of supporting Debian users in here then please take it elsewhere |
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| 07:26.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell n-iCe -about bat |
| 07:27.08 | roewin | babilen, Keep in mind that the Ubuntu I'm using is based on debian. |
| 07:27.18 | babilen | What does that have to do with anything? |
| 07:27.25 | roewin | I've got debian techology under the hood but with the latest advances. |
| 07:27.56 | babilen | Jessie is the current stable release of Debian and still very much supported. In fact this channel specifically supports jessie and wheezy users. |
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| 07:28.22 | babilen | So, either provide the support this channel is meant for in here or not |
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| 07:28.37 | n-iCe | babilen: what does that mean |
| 07:28.40 | prestin | goodmorning guys, is it safe to add a ubuntu repo to debian? |
| 07:29.03 | babilen | n-iCe: Please paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 07:29.11 | babilen | n-iCe: (our bot sent you a private message) |
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| 07:29.46 | babilen | prestin: If you don't install anything from there, then yes .. generally speaking I would strongly advise against it. You might want to read https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 07:30.32 | prestin | thanks for that babilen |
| 07:30.34 | Drzacek | Hi, silly question - is there a way to show some loading screen during boot? I know how to change the background picture for GRUB, but since I want to disable grub (default start one option with no 0timeout), I want to display a logo during start |
| 07:30.45 | babilen | prestin: Why do you want to ? |
| 07:30.56 | Mava | babilen: too late, done that frankenbian already =D |
| 07:31.06 | babilen | Drzacek: Look into plymouth and similar tools |
| 07:31.10 | n-iCe | babilen: iwlwifi is aprivative software? |
| 07:31.13 | n-iCe | privative* |
| 07:31.32 | vak0160 | installed 4.7 bpo kernel, but still nothing |
| 07:31.52 | babilen | n-iCe: I don't quite understand what you mean .. my guess would be that you don't have contrib and non-free enabled, but I can't be certain of that without seeing the information I asked for earlier |
| 07:31.55 | prestin | ehm babilen I am installing ansible, which I installed with apt-get but its version 1.7.2 while the ubuntu version are at 2.1.1 (which also all the documentation is written for :() |
| 07:31.55 | Drzacek | babilen, I will |
| 07:32.10 | babilen | prestin: ansible is in jessie-backports |
| 07:32.14 | babilen | judd: v ansible |
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| 07:32.15 | judd | Package: ansible on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.7.2+dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 2.1.1.0-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2.1.1.0-1; stretch: 2.1.1.0-1 |
| 07:32.18 | babilen | prestin: ^ |
| 07:32.24 | prestin | oh o.o |
| 07:32.29 | prestin | and.. now? :P |
| 07:32.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell prestin about jessie-backports |
| 07:32.47 | n-iCe | babilen: I solved it, adding non-free, does it mean it is a no opensource package? |
| 07:32.52 | babilen | prestin: You might want to use: deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 07:33.01 | prestin | ah damn |
| 07:33.06 | prestin | thanks for that dude |
| 07:33.13 | prestin | much appreciated |
| 07:33.15 | prestin | <3 |
| 07:33.24 | babilen | n-iCe: Yes, the proprietary binary firmware blobs are not open source. That is why they have been removed from the kernel in the first place and packages seperately. |
| 07:33.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell n-iCe -about firmware |
| 07:33.37 | n-iCe | Got it. |
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| 07:33.49 | babilen | Great :) |
| 07:33.55 | vak0160 | still the same with 4.7 kernel |
| 07:34.02 | roewin | "the only reason we have a negro problem is because the jews wanted us to have one and made it so." wow. |
| 07:34.08 | n-iCe | 4.7? I use Debian comes with 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 07:34.20 | babilen | vak0160: Is that a laptop? |
| 07:34.25 | vak0160 | no, a PC |
| 07:34.34 | babilen | roewin: Please don't repeat that nonsense |
| 07:34.35 | n-iCe | babilen: am I using the correct and last kernel for Debian stable? 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 07:34.49 | babilen | n-iCe: Yes, but newer kernels are packaged in jessie-backports |
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| 07:34.55 | roewin | babilen, it's from a broadcast i'm listening to. |
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| 07:35.43 | roewin | i don't necessarily endorse what i read and listen to. i do so to expand my mind to other points of view. |
| 07:35.44 | n-iCe | babilen: thanks. |
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| 07:36.04 | babilen | roewin: I see absolutely no reason for you to proliferate racist and antisemitic statements such as that. Please refrain from doing so. |
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| 07:36.34 | roewin | babilen, i'm a white european. why should i be fond of semitic influences? |
| 07:36.34 | babilen | (in this channel ... you are naturally free to do whatever you want) |
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| 07:36.54 | pingfloyd | what an idiot |
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| 07:37.33 | babilen | vak0160: What's the actual problem you are facing? |
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| 07:38.07 | nailyk | hi. Iam looking for the letsencrypt.sh debian doc and can't found it. I will not use the github doc because iirc the letsencrypt.sh debian implementation is not the same. Thanks in advance. |
| 07:38.14 | vak0160 | the 2nd monitor that connected to the motherboard vga slot is not detected with xrand and cinnamod displays, but detected on lshw and lspci |
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| 07:38.21 | tx | letsencrypt.sh? |
| 07:38.28 | tx | why not use the client they provide |
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| 07:38.45 | vak0160 | cinnamon* |
| 07:39.12 | vak0160 | the CPU is intel i3-4150 |
| 07:39.16 | babilen | vak0160: So, you have one monitor connected to the Intel card and another to the Nvidia one? |
| 07:39.17 | nailyk | tx: certbot doesn't meet myrequirements and letsencrypt.sh is a way simplest to use :) |
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| 07:39.23 | vak0160 | babilen: yes |
| 07:39.31 | tx | nailyk: ah :) |
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| 07:39.59 | babilen | vak0160: I guess that Xorg is using one card as "main" card and doesn't actually use the other card at the moment |
| 07:40.01 | pingfloyd | vak0160: so using the backport version of the kernel and rebooting didn't fix that? |
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| 07:40.19 | vak0160 | pingfloyd: yeah |
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| 07:41.24 | nailyk | tx: my problem is the configs folders between the github sources and the debian implementation changed, that is why i'm looking for a debian doc. |
| 07:41.40 | babilen | vak0160: You would, I guess, have to create two device entries. You have to configure Xorg for multiple GPUs. |
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| 07:42.08 | vak0160 | babilen: any example for that? |
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| 07:43.04 | babilen | vak0160: I don't have one ready right away .. I also think that newer xrandr versions support that out of the box. I have never done that so I don't have personal experience with it unfortunately. But that would be the direction I'd investigate in. |
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| 07:43.33 | nailyk | babilen: i miss your question, are you trying a dual graphic card setup? |
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| 07:43.53 | babilen | nailyk: It's vak0160 who's trying that |
| 07:43.58 | nailyk | oups |
| 07:44.11 | babilen | (two GPUs, monitors connected to each, Xorg only sees one) |
| 07:44.23 | Mava | PC or laptop ? |
| 07:44.29 | nailyk | vak0160: i use dual CG setup on both my desktop computer. It is a pain to setup |
| 07:44.36 | babilen | Mava: PC (so not Optimus) |
| 07:44.48 | babilen | nailyk: Two device sections and suitable screens? |
| 07:44.53 | Mava | good, and i assume that both GPUs are additional cards ? |
| 07:44.57 | babilen | I think that newer xrandr versions handle this |
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| 07:45.29 | n-iCe | hi |
| 07:45.49 | nailyk | babilen: almost, (i'm looking for the right word) xfce/gnome/kde , only xfce is working for me |
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| 07:46.03 | nailyk | i can post my xorg.conf if you need. |
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| 07:47.04 | nailyk | but anyway, you are right and xrandr doesn't work anymore with this setup. |
| 07:47.38 | Algebr | Where can I download a full distribution of debian as a single iso, not the small piece meal 680MB ones so that it comes with gnome and everything. |
| 07:47.46 | vak0160 | nailyk: give please |
| 07:47.53 | vak0160 | give me please* |
| 07:47.53 | Algebr | the small piece meal one used busybox and hence gave me problems with dhcp |
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| 07:48.09 | vak0160 | and also, where is the xorg conf for jessie? |
| 07:48.14 | babilen | Algebr: The largest images are bluray ones IIRC |
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| 07:48.22 | babilen | dpkg: empty xorg.conf |
| 07:48.22 | dpkg | Starting from Debian 5.0 "Lenny", /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg manual config>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>. |
| 07:48.25 | babilen | vak0160: ^ |
| 07:48.29 | babilen | dpkg: xorg.conf.d |
| 07:48.30 | dpkg | xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf". |
| 07:48.39 | babilen | Okay .. I'll be back in a second |
| 07:49.17 | vak0160 | do I need to create th x.org.conf.d directory? |
| 07:49.28 | vak0160 | oh, sorry, didn't read that |
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| 07:50.13 | nailyk | http://paste.debian.net/842549/ and i wishes you good luck :) |
| 07:50.21 | vak0160 | nailyk: Thanks |
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| 07:51.49 | nailyk | i use it for years now at i found it pretty efficient. I can unplug monitors, change it etc... always working. And i still have 3D capability, i guess, as i play xonotic ;) |
| 07:51.56 | nailyk | ping if you need |
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| 07:52.35 | vak0160 | nailyk: do I need to define the nvidia card one? |
| 07:52.39 | nailyk | (and if you need one for amd gpu it is at home, so ping me in 10hours) |
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| 07:53.30 | vak0160 | nailyk: this is for office PC, so no AMD card |
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| 07:54.49 | Algebr | babilen: yea, but this is going on a big usb stick anyway |
| 07:54.57 | Algebr | babilen: is it an iso? |
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| 07:55.06 | nailyk | if use use two nvidia gpu, i think you can just change the bus id sections and give a try. I forget to tell you, a requirement to get this setup working is your both graphic card should be the same or almost |
| 07:55.36 | nailyk | (same chipset group as you cannot load two different graphic drivers). |
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| 07:56.40 | vak0160 | nailyk: It's intel and Nvidia |
| 07:56.51 | vak0160 | nailyk: so it's not gonna work then? |
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| 07:57.32 | vak0160 | intel hd4400 from i3-4150 and nvidia geforce 210 |
| 07:57.34 | nailyk | oh. Its like integrated cpu graphic and pcie graphic card? |
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| 07:58.01 | vak0160 | more like that |
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| 07:58.51 | nailyk | don't know. If you are able to load both graphic drivers it should. Try the laptop dual CG guide maybe. I cannot help on that, i use dual quadro at work to avoid this problem. Sorry. |
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| 08:00.19 | vak0160 | nailyk: where I can find that guide? |
| 08:00.42 | nailyk | (and obvisouly if your hardware is able to handle that :) ) |
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| 08:01.27 | nailyk | vak0160: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ubuntu+dual+graphic+card+setup |
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| 08:01.48 | vak0160 | nailyk: thanks |
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| 08:02.47 | nailyk | no problem :) And if someone can help me for my letsencrypt.sh doc i will be glad |
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| 08:05.01 | tdn_ | Can I use cgroups in Debian to limit the amount of bandwidth a specific user can use (eg. via ssh/sftp)? |
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| 08:07.28 | babilen | tdn_: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Resource_Management_Guide/sec-Moving_a_Process_to_a_Control_Group.html |
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| 08:09.10 | tdn_ | ok |
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| 08:10.19 | babilen | tdn_: That looks like it might provide some building blocks for what you have in mind |
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| 08:31.24 | rakan | hi |
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| 08:32.30 | topi`_ | any idea how the tilde affects comparing version strings in apt-get? |
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| 08:33.06 | topi`_ | like comparing 3.4.0 to (>= 3.4~) |
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| 08:33.43 | topi`_ | I asked this on the ubuntu channel, but it seems that is only for n00b help, I tried this comparison using dpkg --compare-versions and it returned OK |
| 08:34.05 | topi`_ | however, apt-get install thinks that the dependency is not satisfied. Maybe I should complain to that particular guy who packaged python3 |
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| 08:37.43 | jelly | topi`_: showing the actual data might be useful |
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| 08:38.09 | jelly | topi`_: if you're using ubuntu for serious purposes, you can also try asking in #ubuntu-server |
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| 08:38.27 | jelly | if it were Debian, we'd ask you to provide ALL this info: |
| 08:38.30 | jelly | !bat |
| 08:38.30 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 08:38.33 | OerHeks | topi`_, yes, to the person that made the PPA. but you already know that. |
| 08:38.39 | topi`_ | jelly: thanks for the hint |
| 08:39.08 | tdn_ | babilen, read about this and wanted to try it out. But the cgclassify command does not seem to exist. Is this a new thing that I need debian 8 for? |
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| 08:39.48 | topi`_ | jelly: I just suspect that there is a bug in that particular version of apt-get that Trusty uses... because if I manually calculate the version using "dpkg", the check goes through |
| 08:39.53 | jelly | topi`_: sadly this isn't the channel to ask questions about dpkg or apt in general, and there's no specific channel that I know of for those. On freenode, ##linux may be the next best thing |
| 08:39.56 | babilen | tdn_: That tool is available in cgroup-bin (wheezy) and cgroup-tools (jessie) |
| 08:40.12 | topi`_ | maybe it's useless to dig into this, since we're talking about out-of-date softwrae |
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| 08:41.15 | d0d50fe2e21a57c5 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyxNgnQ9m30 |
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| 08:42.02 | tdn_ | babilen, thanks |
| 08:42.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell tdn_ -about apt-file |
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| 08:42.44 | babilen | tdn_: Generally speaking: If you are considering doing anything serious with this you might still want to consider upgrading to jessie |
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| 08:43.13 | tdn_ | babilen, yeah, I see that what I want to do seems to require the cgred service. And that does not seem to be available in wheezy |
| 08:43.23 | babilen | aye |
| 08:44.07 | tdn_ | babilen, I have a plan to upgrade my two remaining servers to jessie, however, I fear that it is going to be a big task. (postgresql, apache, php, nfs, LUKS) |
| 08:44.15 | tdn_ | Plus, they are remote. |
| 08:45.04 | tdn_ | I keep postponing the upgrade... |
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| 08:56.02 | DotHack | anyone knows if there are any standard evironment variables where i can set de users amil addres that will be used as reply to ? |
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| 08:58.55 | surfist | so what is ##linux all about? |
| 08:59.10 | surfist | deep tech questions? or noob stuff |
| 08:59.34 | Iridos | read the channel off-and-on for a week and you know? |
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| 09:00.17 | surfist | far out |
| 09:00.18 | siva_machina | general discussion mostly about Linux |
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| 09:01.15 | surfist | am looking for places where the uber geeks might be |
| 09:01.17 | siva_machina | You can try to ask "deep tech questions". |
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| 09:02.05 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | Corn and rice |
| 09:02.22 | siva_machina | ##linux would be a start |
| 09:02.30 | surfist | I'll look at it |
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| 09:02.56 | surfist | not always but sometimes those little, annoying, nonstandard problems happen |
| 09:02.57 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | Ketchup and mustard gas? |
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| 09:03.50 | p3nt4 | !leftturn |
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| 09:04.12 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | Peanut butter? |
| 09:04.25 | siva_machina | Jelly? |
| 09:04.33 | ikonia | the spammer is back |
| 09:04.35 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | Mushrooms? |
| 09:04.37 | ikonia | this time with food items, |
| 09:04.41 | siva_machina | yup it is |
| 09:04.59 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | yum |
| 09:05.05 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | gummy bears! |
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| 09:05.12 | siva_machina | adds it to ignore list |
| 09:05.45 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | Pork butt roast |
| 09:06.10 | colo-work | hmmm |
| 09:06.18 | colo-work | is Linux 4.7 coming to jessie-backports? |
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| 09:06.42 | colo-work | I can't install linux-perf on jessie with 4.6 right now, since it depends on linux-perf-4.6, which isn't in the repo apparently |
| 09:06.46 | colo-work | but linux-perf-4.7 is |
| 09:06.47 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | Partially hydrogenated soybean oil |
| 09:06.56 | colo-work | ,v linux-perf-4.6 |
| 09:06.57 | judd | Package: linux-perf-4.6 on amd64 -- sid: 4.6.4-1; stretch: 4.6.4-1 |
| 09:07.00 | colo-work | ,v linux-perf-4.7 |
| 09:07.01 | judd | Package: linux-perf-4.7 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.7.2-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7.5-1 |
| 09:07.01 | Iridos | DotHack, there's no global thing, the email client sets it |
| 09:07.10 | colo-work | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 09:07.11 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.6+74~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.6+74; sid: 4.7+75 |
| 09:07.18 | p3nt4 | Anyone has tips on leftturn? |
| 09:07.27 | colo-work | ok, so it's not just our local mirror, apparently... |
| 09:07.37 | TomTomTosch | most likely soon. 4.7 is in sid right now. |
| 09:07.38 | colo-work | this sucks; I could really use perf right now :D |
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| 09:08.14 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | Applesauce! |
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| 09:09.38 | tom99 | hmm, the thing with using apt is I never know if what I'm about to do will shatter my system |
| 09:10.05 | tom99 | for example I have wheezy i386, but when I type apt-get install linux-image-amd64 it happily says it will take 100 MB to download |
| 09:10.20 | Iridos | well, so? |
| 09:10.25 | tom99 | so.... what, does that mean i get a 64-bit kernel and a 32-bit system files and nothing works? |
| 09:10.56 | Iridos | you can run a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland⦠nearly everything works |
| 09:10.58 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | Rice |
| 09:11.00 | Iridos | Xorg might not, though |
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| 09:12.45 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | Fried chicken! |
| 09:12.59 | petn-randall | d0d50fe2e21a57c7: Do you have a support question? |
| 09:13.07 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | petn-randall: yeah |
| 09:13.17 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | Strawberry jam? |
| 09:13.23 | petn-randall | !ops d0d50fe2e21a57c7 |
| 09:13.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: d0d50fe2e21a57c7 |
| 09:13.54 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | petn-randall: ketchup |
| 09:13.58 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | dpkg: mustard |
| 09:13.58 | dpkg | d0d50fe2e21a57c7: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 09:14.08 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | dpkg: tomato |
| 09:14.10 | dpkg | d0d50fe2e21a57c7: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 09:14.14 | Iridos | tom99, pretty much nothing "shatters" the system⦠installing 3rd-party crap packages can of course do arbitrary things because packages are allowed to do arbitrary stuff in pre-/postinstall scripts |
| 09:14.22 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | dpkg: spinach |
| 09:14.22 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, d0d50fe2e21a57c7 |
| 09:14.33 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | dpkg: Lettuce |
| 09:14.33 | dpkg | d0d50fe2e21a57c7: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 09:14.41 | petn-randall | d0d50fe2e21a57c7: Try to keep the signal to noise ratio low. |
| 09:14.51 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | dpkg: Cannabis |
| 09:14.52 | dpkg | i guess cannabis is the wonderful herb that the unfortunate americans can't worship. |
| 09:15.12 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | petn-randall: Lemons |
| 09:15.24 | tom99 | Iridos, are you saying I should trust the default debian repos like wheezy and jessie? |
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| 09:15.50 | tom99 | idk if that's the right name. but lines like http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib |
| 09:16.17 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | spaghetti |
| 09:17.00 | tom99 | so that if a package appears in my apt-cache search I won't necessarily get an unbootable system installing things? |
| 09:17.11 | Iridos | tom99, yeah⦠don't mix different stable releases, neither with other releases nor with outside packages and you should be good |
| 09:17.23 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | pussy |
| 09:17.37 | tom99 | i have 2 systems atm including my soon to be installed jessie |
| 09:17.38 | Iridos | tom99, very unlikely on stable⦠of course on unstable everything is possible |
| 09:17.39 | siva_machina | Don't cross the beams |
| 09:17.52 | tom99 | one is wheezy stable with updates only from those stable repos, the other is a mixed wheezy/jessie system i'm using for the hell of it |
| 09:18.00 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | Coffee |
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| 09:18.50 | tom99 | right now in the stable one I have wheezy-updates and wheezy distributions in my sources.list |
| 09:18.55 | Iridos | you can mix testing and unstable because they're pretty close together with package versions (and it can be necessary to do so if a bug-fix only got into unstable so far) |
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| 09:19.27 | Iridos | but a stable release is too far away for that to work for a long time |
| 09:19.31 | tom99 | er i mean wheezy/updates |
| 09:19.31 | underflow | hi ppl& |
| 09:19.39 | tom99 | the other one has wheey-updates and wheezy-backports added |
| 09:20.09 | tom99 | also a random line about some outside repo |
| 09:20.14 | underflow | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.14 | d0d50fe2e21a57c7 | HOT DOGS |
| 09:20.28 | mase2hotUK | Good morning, is it possible to have a shared repo this is what I want. Servers sharing a repo locally. Lets say I install something from debaian repo, I would like this to also store in my local repo so that if another server needs it it doesnt need to use the internet. This as long as its still the latest version. Is this possible? |
| 09:20.30 | tom99 | so my question is does wheezy-updates provide anything or is that the same as wheezy-backports? |
| 09:21.36 | surfist | mase2hotUK when you install anything new, the new .deb file lives in /var/cache/apt/archives and you can copy those to the new machines archives folder |
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| 09:22.26 | surfist | or you can just mirror a repo if you have ... 100gigs or so laying around |
| 09:22.30 | mase2hotUK | These machines potentially wont exist at this point |
| 09:22.34 | surfist | or whatevr it is |
| 09:23.06 | underflow | why not?& |
| 09:23.18 | tom99 | surfist: my /var/cache/apt/archives folder only has 181M in it but I'm sure I've installed more than that surfist. does it get cleaned out regularly? |
| 09:23.33 | mase2hotUK | To give the fuller story I'm using chef so I can automate server builds. As part of the they need to download services etc. |
| 09:23.54 | mase2hotUK | but I dont want 10 -20 servers all hammering my internet |
| 09:23.55 | TomTomTosch | mase2hotUK: sounds like you want an apt-cacher https://packages.debian.org/jessie/apt-cacher-ng |
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| 09:24.02 | petn-randall | mase2hotUK: There are apt caching services, like apt-cacher-ng or approxy. |
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| 09:24.42 | mase2hotUK | Hum that looks ideal |
| 09:24.45 | mase2hotUK | :) |
| 09:24.47 | surfist | tom99 my archives just piles up new .deb files |
| 09:25.11 | surfist | it can be cleaned out with certain commands though |
| 09:25.26 | tom99 | I just installed the handy utility apt-file which can be used to list contents of packages that are not YET installed |
| 09:25.40 | tom99 | and it tells me apt-cacher-ng will install 66 files to my disk, including apt-cacher-ng.pdf. a manual! |
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| 09:26.25 | TomTomTosch | and who needs those^^ |
| 09:26.26 | surfist | apt-cache show packagename can show uninstalled packages |
| 09:26.26 | underflow | how can i install an rpm file?& |
| 09:26.31 | Fuchs | underflow: could you not? |
| 09:26.36 | tom99 | and /etc/apt-cacher-ng/acng.conf which is presumably a config file. in fact i think /etc is *all* about the config files |
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| 09:26.56 | underflow | I tried to rename .rpm to .deb but didn't work ok& |
| 09:27.13 | tom99 | try dpkg -i file.rpm and see what happens |
| 09:27.28 | siva_machina | you can't.... |
| 09:27.31 | underflow | yep& |
| 09:27.32 | TomTomTosch | or don't install things that are not made for your system. |
| 09:27.32 | surfist | underflow ya might need the 'alien' conversion package |
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| 09:27.47 | underflow | alien? rpm install alien?& |
| 09:27.51 | Ticho | that's like asking a cd player to read your cassette tapes |
| 09:28.13 | tom99 | surfist: honestly despite the sarcasm I did find package management easier with yum. it seems like I need a different command to do every task with apt like search (apt-cache) or install (apt-get) or list contents (dpkg) |
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| 09:28.17 | underflow | pacman -S alien not found& |
| 09:28.25 | siva_machina | Ticho, or music you put on a dvd |
| 09:28.26 | surfist | apt-cache show alien |
| 09:28.52 | surfist | I started out centuries ago on the ancient slackware |
| 09:28.59 | surfist | then moved to debian |
| 09:29.00 | Ticho | ok, apparently a troll |
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| 09:29.50 | zoeurk | where is installer-i386 from https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD#Option_2:_Create_a_partial_mirror_of_the_Debian_archive? |
| 09:29.53 | siva_machina | surfist, I am actually planning on having a look into Slackware |
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| 09:30.07 | zoeurk | in "Get installer-i386" |
| 09:30.14 | tom99 | lol well TIL that there is a package called alien and it converts rpms to debs |
| 09:30.39 | zoeurk | it's come from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/? |
| 09:30.59 | surfist | slackware is fun, but it can get really tedious when installing things |
| 09:31.26 | tom99 | also what is this Filesystem Hierarchy Standard thing from 2005, is it still relevant to linux distros today? |
| 09:31.27 | tom99 | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html |
| 09:31.55 | babilen | sure |
| 09:32.06 | TomTomTosch | tom99: just type man hier |
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| 09:32.20 | siva_machina | surfist, part of the reason why I am looking into slackbuilds |
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| 09:32.59 | tom99 | TomTomTosch, standards for linux are like oaths in Game of Thrones. There are so many of them you can't adhere to them all. |
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| 09:33.54 | miesco | ,v pandoc-citeproc |
| 09:33.55 | judd | Package: pandoc-citeproc on amd64 -- jessie: 0.4.0.1-1; stretch: 0.9.1.1-1+b2; sid: 0.9.1.1-1+b13 |
| 09:34.05 | miesco | Is stretch out yet? |
| 09:34.18 | siva_machina | miesco, no |
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| 09:36.36 | surfist | fhs is related to posix |
| 09:36.47 | surfist | not likely to go away any time soon |
| 09:37.18 | zoeurk | do you know where I can more information aboot install-i386 from https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD#Option_2:_Create_a_partial_mirror_of_the_Debian_archive thanks |
| 09:37.28 | DotHack | found the mailutils package, anyone knows why this package does not provide an alternative for /usr/bin/mail? |
| 09:37.37 | zoeurk | arg!! installer-i386 |
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| 09:43.29 | ksk | zoeurk: you want to install debian on i386 hardware? |
| 09:43.54 | DotHack | found it, mail is a slave for mailx, so pointing mailx to the right binary updates the mail link also |
| 09:44.00 | zoeurk | i want to undestand this line |
| 09:44.27 | ksk | ah okay |
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| 09:45.09 | zoeurk | the i386 come for the documentation but I want to build an amd64 |
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| 09:46.06 | ksk | zoeurk: see package debian-installer-8-netboot-i386 |
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| 09:46.26 | ksk | you get this information from "apt-cache search installer" |
| 09:46.36 | zoeurk | yes i have download it but i see nothing in the doc |
| 09:46.57 | ksk | so what is your problem? what are you trying to archive? |
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| 09:47.41 | zoeurk | I don't see what the package do |
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| 09:48.13 | ksk | the package contains the debian installer |
| 09:48.17 | ksk | its needed to install debian |
| 09:48.27 | ksk | an "apt-cache show $packagename" gives you a short description |
| 09:48.41 | zoeurk | ok but where it's on the file system |
| 09:48.59 | ksk | so what is your problem? what are you trying to archive? |
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| 09:49.53 | v3n0m | Hi guys! |
| 09:50.20 | Algebr | where are intel video card drivers for debian, is there a apt-source I can add so that it figures it out correctly? |
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| 09:50.36 | surfist | I wonder if one command can show everything that 'man' knows about |
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| 09:51.30 | TomTomTosch | you can use man -k <keyword> to search for somthing. |
| 09:51.52 | surfist | yeah... similar to apropos |
| 09:52.02 | surfist | was thinking more in terms of a master list |
| 09:52.49 | v3n0m | Guys, I downloaded the Debian DVD1. Now, I need to make USB bootable. How to do it? Any tool that I can use? |
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| 09:53.06 | zoeurk | i dont find the installer-i386 in debian-installer-8-netboot-i386 ksk |
| 09:53.08 | flearutghlart | Yooj! |
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| 09:53.58 | Algebr | v3n0m: is it an iso? |
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| 09:54.11 | Algebr | are you on osx? |
| 09:54.11 | v3n0m | Yeah. |
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| 09:54.14 | v3n0m | ISO here. |
| 09:54.17 | TomTomTosch | v3n0m: you just copy it to the media, no need to make it bootable. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
| 09:54.17 | v3n0m | *ISO file. |
| 09:54.37 | v3n0m | Nah, i'm using Parrot OS Security which is based on debian. |
| 09:54.39 | babilen | v3n0m: You just have to write it directly to the USB stick (with, for example, cp) |
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| 09:54.54 | Algebr | simple copy with dd, example: dd if=debian-live-8.6.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso of=/dev/rdisk2 bs=4m |
| 09:55.07 | babilen | And example would be "cp /path/to/the.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" if /dev/sdb is your USB stick |
| 09:55.09 | Algebr | that is from OS X, you find where your usb media is mount on linux |
| 09:55.30 | v3n0m | okay and how to find the address of my USB stick |
| 09:55.33 | v3n0m | ? |
| 09:55.38 | babilen | v3n0m: On which OS? |
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| 09:55.45 | surfist | cp actually makes the boot sectors? |
| 09:55.53 | v3n0m | Parrot OS Security 3.1 (Based on Debian) |
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| 09:56.11 | babilen | surfist: Sure, cp just copies everything. You really don't need dd here (and it doesn't scale blocksize automatically for you) |
| 09:56.13 | zoeurk | and i don't really understand your question about "so what is your problem? what are you trying to archive?" |
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| 09:56.25 | TomTomTosch | v3n0m: using lsblk or looking into dmesg after you plug the usb drive in. |
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| 09:56.36 | babilen | v3n0m: Plug it in and run "dmesg|tail -n23" and it should be obvious. Paste the output to http://paste.debian.net if it is not and we can take a look. |
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| 09:57.31 | TomTomTosch | surfist: the iso contains it all, you write it to the block device, not a partition. |
| 09:57.40 | surfist | far out |
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| 09:57.52 | surfist | can it write/cp to unformatted usb? |
| 09:57.58 | TomTomTosch | yes |
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| 09:58.15 | surfist | fun |
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| 09:58.27 | v3n0m | https://paste.debian.net/842584 |
| 09:58.30 | v3n0m | Here it is. |
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| 09:59.00 | surfist | I've only used dd |
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| 09:59.07 | surfist | so new tricks am fun |
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| 09:59.47 | petn-randall | v3n0m: This does not look like you plugged in the USB stick. |
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| 10:00.25 | v3n0m | nah there is |
| 10:00.27 | v3n0m | a usb stick |
| 10:00.48 | babilen | v3n0m: Did you plug it in *directly* before running that command? |
| 10:01.19 | babilen | surfist: cp just copies data .. be that files or entire devices doesn't really matter |
| 10:01.38 | babilen | surfist: "everything is a file" |
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| 10:01.49 | surfist | wasn't sure if it stayed inside partitions or not |
| 10:01.50 | surfist | so cool |
| 10:01.52 | v3n0m | https://paste.debian.net/842586 |
| 10:01.58 | v3n0m | I plugged it in again |
| 10:02.02 | v3n0m | and mounted the USB. |
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| 10:02.49 | babilen | surfist: Yeah, it is a common misconception that dd has some kind of "low-level super power". It doesn't and you typically need it when you want to copy *part* of a file/device with specific offsets and whatnot (e.g. "copy first 512 bytes from /dev/sda") |
| 10:03.15 | babilen | v3n0m: Looks as if it is /dev/sdb |
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| 10:04.03 | surfist | cp is tons of fun.. use it to backup entire machines ... with -vru --preserve=all |
| 10:04.21 | surfist | but it can bork on interrupted copies |
| 10:04.30 | petn-randall | surfist: Sounds like rsync would do the job better. |
| 10:04.34 | surfist | yeap |
| 10:04.39 | surfist | that's next on the fun list |
| 10:07.03 | Iridos | what? no superpowers? :( |
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| 10:07.14 | babilen | .oO( mooooo! ) |
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| 10:07.44 | Iridos | aren't sparse files a superpower? |
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| 10:08.25 | v3n0m | okay |
| 10:08.45 | v3n0m | SO I should cp it to /dev/sdb ? |
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| 10:13.15 | babilen | v3n0m: If you believe that to be your USB stick, then yes .. please note that you will overwrite the data on that device. If you have only a single HDD it is not too unlikely that /dev/sdb is your USB stick given the evidence you provided. |
| 10:15.13 | surfist | you can fdisk -l and also mount see what is using what |
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| 10:15.42 | babilen | (unmount anything you have mounted before overwriting the stick) |
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| 10:42.12 | v3n0m | GUys |
| 10:42.32 | v3n0m | My USB stick can't get mounted and when I click on Mount it says that unable to mount location |
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| 10:51.59 | N0Lif3 | What's the name of this login manager? http://i.imgur.com/LD5DhgY.jpg |
| 10:52.27 | ksk | N0Lif3: proably xdm? you cannot really tell, because you can customize them all? xdm best anyways ;) |
| 10:52.51 | TomTomTosch | N0Lif3: that's lightdm |
| 10:53.02 | N0Lif3 | thanks |
| 10:53.31 | N0Lif3 | I want to set it up so it auto-logs me in. I don't need a password. I'm the only person who has access to this laptop. |
| 10:53.54 | N0Lif3 | and even if do-badders got it, I dont have anything of value on the harddrive worth hiding behind a password |
| 10:55.17 | ksk | so you did a photograph of your window manager to find out which you are using? nice one :D |
| 10:55.49 | ksk | N0Lif3: did you google? ;) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#Enabling_autologin |
| 10:56.08 | N0Lif3 | I asked before a few days ago and guys told me that Debian has several different login software, so I had to narrow it down |
| 10:57.01 | v3n0m | Guys help me please. |
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| 10:58.03 | TomTomTosch | v3n0m: full command and output please |
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| 10:59.14 | v3n0m | Well, I have put in my USB and it just shows as Generic Flash Disk. |
| 10:59.31 | v3n0m | and I can't mount it because it says that Unable to Mount Location. |
| 10:59.51 | TomTomTosch | okay, so it's the same stick you used to install debian a while ago? and you want to reuse it for normal data storage now? |
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| 11:01.22 | v3n0m | Nah actually, when I did the cp command so it didn't overwrite all the data instead |
| 11:01.38 | v3n0m | it copied the files only |
| 11:01.46 | babilen | v3n0m: Which command did you use? |
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| 11:02.05 | v3n0m | so it gave me an error after some time that no free space. |
| 11:02.23 | TomTomTosch | please provide the full command and output. |
| 11:02.28 | v3n0m | sudo cp /home/v3n0m/Desktop/debian-8.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso /dev/sdb ; sync; |
| 11:02.31 | v3n0m | this command |
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| 11:03.24 | TomTomTosch | is your usb drive smaller than the 4.4GB needed for the DVD? |
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| 11:04.00 | babilen | https://paste.debian.net/842586 says "no" (line 16) |
| 11:04.33 | babilen | v3n0m: Are you sure you used that command and not something like "cp /home/v3n0m/Desktop/debian-8.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso /dev/sdb1" ? |
| 11:04.58 | v3n0m | yeah sure. |
| 11:05.05 | babilen | Could you try it again? |
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| 11:26.48 | nailyk | hi. Sorry to annoy you again. I have a small problem with my debian 9. Lightdm will not start at boot time anymore. sudo update-rc.d lightdm enable doesn't help. Any adivces? |
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| 11:30.07 | antranigv | hi! |
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| 11:30.32 | antranigv | I want to dd the iso to a usb, should I set any bs? |
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| 11:31.45 | TomTomTosch | you don't need to bother if you use cp https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
| 11:32.26 | halt | Hi guys, I'm run into an issue few month back with the version of systemd on debian jessie, where it's just fail to do anything in a docker container and failing with the error "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1" is there a workaround or maybe a fix for this ? |
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| 11:34.44 | teraflops | halt: do you know if it's a known issue? reported as bug? |
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| 11:35.26 | halt | I have not found it yet, in the bugtracker but searching right now as well |
| 11:36.12 | antranigv | TomTomTosch: ah, so just cp and sync? cool :)) |
| 11:36.29 | TomTomTosch | yup^^ |
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| 11:38.49 | halt | I think I did found it Bug#761076 |
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| 11:39.24 | teraflops | ,bug 761076 |
| 11:39.25 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/761076 in systemd (closed): «systemd: Fails to start when /var/run is mounted as tmpfs»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-09-10; last modified: 2014-10-09. |
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| 11:40.10 | teraflops | halt: hmm I don't think so |
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| 11:41.19 | teraflops | jessie runs systemd 215 and you are having issues with docker, I could be wrong though |
| 11:41.36 | halt | teraflops: maybe not, that's the closest thing I could find , you are right this might be an other bug with systemd which has similar error message |
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| 11:42.06 | teraflops | halt: my docked knowledge is 0 to be honest |
| 11:42.16 | teraflops | docker* |
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| 11:46.20 | halt | I asked my friend google and also the docker irc channel so far no luck so any hint would be great |
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| 11:47.58 | tx | docker? |
| 11:48.03 | tx | what's the problem? sorry |
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| 11:49.08 | halt | root@eb02e717256f:/# systemctl |
| 11:49.08 | halt | Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1 |
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| 11:53.09 | halt | tx: that is a simple new debian:jessie container as you can see nothing around systemd works, and due to that many of the package install fails as well when the postinstall try to reload the service |
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| 11:54.36 | teraflops | halt: first hit with your "friend" google https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/2296 |
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| 11:56.54 | halt | teraflops: I read it tried and it did not worked so I presumed it's not related, but I give an other chanse to it |
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| 11:57.14 | halt | the issue is the -d is not optional for me I need -it |
| 11:57.29 | mrmystery | How to tunnel your computer through TOR? |
| 11:57.56 | petn-randall | mrmystery: There are distros like tails that are specialized in that. |
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| 11:58.18 | petn-randall | mrmystery: You would need many steps to accomplish that if you do that by hand. |
| 11:58.36 | mrmystery | can you specify? |
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| 12:05.46 | DammitJim | using logrotate |
| 12:06.00 | DammitJim | wouldn't I get a new file every day if I specified daily? |
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| 12:18.00 | waka_ | A bit of a newbie question if anyone has a second to assist. For some reason my box seems to have misconfigured some packages and in the process NetworkManager can not connect to the net even through the ethernet cable |
| 12:18.26 | waka_ | I have an x64 system |
| 12:18.48 | waka_ | And I cant also seem to get to the lightdm login screeen |
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| 12:21.14 | waka_ | My apt-get update of course is not going anywhere and I can see there's 331 packages not fully installed or removed |
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| 12:22.01 | waka_ | The main offending dependency I can see is libicu57 |
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| 12:23.20 | teraflops | waka_: testing/sid? |
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| 12:23.53 | waka_ | testing i had |
| 12:23.53 | teraflops | waka_: there's a #debian-next in irc.oftc.net network |
| 12:24.25 | waka_ | thanks teraflops |
| 12:24.28 | teraflops | np |
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| 12:25.11 | waka_ | I obviously did something wrong somewhere hope I get help there thanks |
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| 12:27.54 | teraflops | libicu always reminds to me firefox being problematic, idk why |
| 12:29.59 | waka_ | To be honest I cant recall what happened, last process I remember doing was install some ruby on rails related stuff a month ago |
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| 12:32.59 | waka_ | Actually teraflops I have stretch on my problematic desktop |
| 12:33.21 | waka_ | my bad |
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| 12:35.23 | teraflops | I don't think it's bad "per se" is you know what you're doing |
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| 12:35.29 | teraflops | s/is/if |
| 12:36.15 | waka_ | I usually have my way around most of these things but this one I'm struggling to get around |
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| 12:37.24 | waka_ | Gnome logs into a black screen |
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| 12:39.30 | Guest61054 | Hi. |
| 12:40.21 | Guest61054 | Can someone please explain why filesystems need to be 'tagged' in fdisk ( for example as vfat ) when you still have to do mkfs.vfat? |
| 12:42.33 | Flashtek | Guest61054: fdisk makes the partition, not the filesystem |
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| 12:46.10 | Guest61054 | Flashtek: ok, that makes it more understandable. And what would happen if I would for example made vfat partition and formatted it with mkfs.ext4? |
| 12:46.50 | bezaban | Guest61054: some systems will not care, others will refuse to read it |
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| 12:47.21 | bezaban | it's just a hint of what to expect afaik, some will rely on it, some won't |
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| 12:48.29 | bezaban | I think a better way to test it would be to make a vfat partition which has no type and try mounting it on linux and then windows |
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| 12:48.49 | bezaban | if I recall that correctly :) |
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| 12:50.25 | Guest61054 | bezaban: thanks. I better get reading into indept mount machanism. |
| 12:51.19 | bezaban | Guest61054: np, it's a good question. And as far as I've gathered it is implementation specific, and not 'strictly required' if you have an implementation that will actually look at the filesystem and not just the partition type |
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| 13:22.32 | Joergi | HI guys! |
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| 13:22.53 | Joergi | I am trying to update the PHP version in Debian Squeeze from 5.3 to 5.4 |
| 13:22.54 | TROCHERIE | coucou |
| 13:23.03 | Joergi | I am following these instructions: |
| 13:23.18 | Joergi | http://www.sysadminslife.com/linux/php-5-4-installation-unter-debian-squeeze-und-upgrade-von-php-5-3/ |
| 13:23.36 | Joergi | However, the command |
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| 13:23.36 | Joergi | apt-get install php5 |
| 13:24.05 | Joergi | tells me |
| 13:24.05 | Joergi | php5 is already the newest version |
| 13:24.19 | Joergi | How can I get PHP 5.4? |
| 13:24.25 | ksk | Joergi: debian squeeze is EOL, why dont you upgrade your machine? |
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| 13:24.37 | ksk | you wont be able to get php5.4 from the debian repos for squeeze, afaik |
| 13:24.44 | TomTomTosch | what does apt-cache policy php5 say? |
| 13:25.03 | Joergi | ksk: It is not my decision. The sysadmin does not even want PHP 5.4 (which I need for some software). |
| 13:25.23 | ksk | good Idea to install it behind his back ;) |
| 13:26.02 | Joergi | ksk: No, he knows, but he doesn't want to do it himself. Anyway, the thing is that it should be available from |
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| 13:26.15 | Joergi | http://packages.dotdeb.org - at least according to my instructions. |
| 13:26.32 | ksk | Joergi: dotdeb is not the default debian repos |
| 13:26.35 | ksk | !tell Joergi about dotdeb |
| 13:26.38 | Joergi | TomTomTosch: Let me just paste the result somewhere... |
| 13:26.49 | TomTomTosch | paste.debian.net preferably^^ |
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| 13:28.27 | Joergi | TomTomTosch: Here is the result: |
| 13:28.28 | Joergi | http://paste.debian.net/842635/ |
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| 13:30.13 | ksk | you did play with apt_pinning, didnt you? 700 does not look to standard to me |
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| 13:31.09 | TomTomTosch | to temporarily pin the dotdeb repo higher you can pass -t squeeze-php54 to apt-get install. |
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| 13:31.36 | Joergi | ksk: No, I did not play with anything. This is the state, which I found on that machine. I have not made it look that way, I can only tell that it _is_ that way. |
| 13:31.38 | TomTomTosch | breakage possible as with any third party repo. |
| 13:31.57 | ksk | Joergi: I was not blaming you, but saying this is not the standard debian config (for pinning) |
| 13:32.00 | ksk | so thats your issue here |
| 13:32.25 | Joergi | ksk: As you see I am not experienced with this. What problems will I get because of this pinning? |
| 13:32.44 | ksk | !tell Joergi about apt_pinning |
| 13:32.50 | ksk | aww |
| 13:33.20 | ksk | see: https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 13:36.11 | Joergi | ksk: Yes, I have some kind of pinning in the preferences file: |
| 13:36.13 | Joergi | http://paste.debian.net/842636/ |
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| 13:41.30 | Joergi | TomTomTosch, ksk: I have now tried a dry-run with -t squeeze php54. |
| 13:41.39 | Joergi | This is the output: |
| 13:41.40 | Joergi | http://paste.debian.net/842638/ |
| 13:41.46 | Joergi | How does that look for you? |
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| 13:43.28 | TomTomTosch | looks as expected. it will replace a bunch of stuff with packages from the dotdeb repo. |
| 13:44.35 | TomTomTosch | you know... not advised if that's a production system and all that. |
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| 13:46.40 | TomTomTosch | double check the packages it tries to remove, though. |
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| 13:51.33 | ksk | Joergi: yap, looks "fine". the problem with dotdeb is that its a 3rd party thing; you cannot expect things to work / to not break like you are used to in standard debian |
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| 14:03.18 | v3n0mbyt35_ | So guys I installed Debian. |
| 14:03.34 | tx | Congratulations. |
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| 14:04.41 | v3n0mbyt35_ | And, there are some problems I'm facing. It's currently having KDE. Though, while installing I selected XFCE , KDE and Debian Desktop Environment. |
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| 14:05.25 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Any idea how to change it? Also, sound does not work on the main browser. It does work on Firefox and in the KDE sound settings, my sound settings do not get saved. |
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| 14:05.54 | tx | v3n0mbyt35_: iirc |
| 14:05.57 | TomTomTosch | kdm lets you select a dektop. |
| 14:05.59 | tx | go to system settings, KDM configuration |
| 14:06.05 | tx | and select the default session |
| 14:06.13 | tx | OR select the session on the login screen |
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| 14:07.06 | v3n0mbyt35_ | There is not KDM configuration |
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| 14:08.25 | v3n0mbyt35_ | *no |
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| 14:10.55 | Joergi | TomTomTosch: apt-get would remove these three packages: |
| 14:11.00 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Hey TomTomTosch |
| 14:11.04 | v3n0mbyt35_ | help please. |
| 14:11.10 | TomTomTosch | log out and select it directly in kdm. should be a gear-wheel symbol below the input fields. |
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| 14:11.14 | Joergi | apache2-mpm-worker [2.2.16-6+squeeze12], php-apc [3.1.3p1-2] and php5-suhosin [0.9.32.1-1]. |
| 14:11.23 | TomTomTosch | Joergi: yes |
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| 14:11.32 | kisser | hi |
| 14:11.42 | Joergi | So...what should I double check with them? |
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| 14:11.56 | TomTomTosch | if you need the functionality^^ |
| 14:11.58 | v3n0mbyt35_ | ALright. |
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| 14:13.58 | TomTomTosch | Joergi: possibly check with that sysadmin person of yours. |
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| 14:14.42 | logithack1337 | i've connected my laptop to my tv via hdmi. however, parts of the screen on my tv are cut away as the resolution of 1360x768 on my laptop doesnt fit that of the tv. i've been messing with xrandr but cant seem to get it to work properly. could anyone please help me with that one? thanks! |
| 14:15.29 | TomTomTosch | logithack1337: arandr is a simple gui frontend for xrandr. you might want to try that. |
| 14:15.50 | logithack1337 | TomTomTosch: thanks, ill look into that immediately! |
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| 14:16.39 | teraflops | logithack1337: some TVs have a "button" for adjusting the output, to fit the image to the screen. as in psize or whatever |
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| 14:17.02 | logithack1337 | teraflops: you mean a "button" on the outside or an option in the configuration settings? |
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| 14:18.05 | teraflops | logithack1337: a button in the remote |
| 14:18.13 | Mahe | logithack1337: a common TV feature called 'overscan' might also be the cause of your issue |
| 14:18.21 | teraflops | Mahe: that too |
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| 14:18.32 | Mahe | look into the TVs |
| 14:18.37 | logithack1337 | teraflops: holy |
| 14:18.48 | Mahe | * display settings and turn off overscan if enabled |
| 14:18.48 | logithack1337 | teraflops: i had another look at my remote |
| 14:18.59 | logithack1337 | teraflops: 3 button presses, done! |
| 14:19.02 | teraflops | xD |
| 14:19.10 | logithack1337 | teraflops: i had to set it to 16:9 lol |
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| 14:19.21 | teraflops | glad it worked |
| 14:19.24 | logithack1337 | teraflops: but still, thanks! thanks to TomTomTosch, too! |
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| 14:31.00 | chrislamp | hello all! can anyone please tell me what this command is doing? ${SHELL:-bash} thank you |
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| 14:31.46 | FinalX | chrislamp: the part after : is the default if $SHELL isn't set |
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| 14:32.53 | chrislamp | so this command tries to set the value "bash" to variable SHELL if that isnt set? |
| 14:33.16 | chrislamp | and what is the minus? |
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| 14:35.11 | JyZyXEL | $ sudo shutdown -h now |
| 14:35.13 | JyZyXEL | Failed to start poweroff.target: Connection timed out |
| 14:35.29 | rattking | thats the syntax.. without the - its a substring expansion. |
| 14:35.31 | JyZyXEL | any ideas how to turn off this machine? |
| 14:35.44 | JyZyXEL | i also tried 'sudo halt' |
| 14:35.50 | JyZyXEL | Failed to start halt.target: Connection timed out |
| 14:36.03 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: remote machine? |
| 14:36.06 | jmcnaught | JyZyXEL: did you look at logs to see what the problem is? |
| 14:36.14 | JyZyXEL | waht logs? |
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| 14:36.38 | jmcnaught | JyZyXEL: using the journalctl command, or looking at the /var/log/syslog file would be a good start |
| 14:36.44 | JyZyXEL | there is nothing |
| 14:36.44 | edelong | Have you tried to just do sudo shutdown now without the -h? |
| 14:36.49 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: also in a jessie machine just poweroff works |
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| 14:37.26 | jmcnaught | JyZyXEL: logs are completely empty? what did you look at? |
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| 14:38.19 | JyZyXEL | the whole machine just froze after doing poweroff |
| 14:38.20 | pengui | how can i add a service to start at boot? |
| 14:38.46 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: jessie? systemd? |
| 14:38.54 | pengui | teraflops: yes |
| 14:38.59 | pengui | jessie and systemd |
| 14:39.07 | teraflops | pengui: heh |
| 14:39.15 | pengui | teraflops: ignore me sorry |
| 14:39.16 | teraflops | I as talking to JyZyXEL |
| 14:39.20 | teraflops | np |
| 14:39.20 | jmcnaught | JyZyXEL: with systemd halt and poweroff are different from each other. if you tell the machine to halt, it stops everything and remains powered on |
| 14:40.14 | jmcnaught | pengui: you can make a systemd service unit (look at man pages systemd.unit and systemd.service to get started) and put it in /etc/systemd/system, then "systemctl enable foo.service" (where foo is your service) |
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| 14:42.19 | careta | hey guys |
| 14:42.32 | careta | I'm using a GTK dark theme, how can I make QT have the same theme? |
| 14:42.39 | careta | it's mostly a gtk desktop with some qt apps |
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| 14:42.52 | NEWBIE_ | HI PPL |
| 14:42.56 | tx | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications |
| 14:42.58 | bittin | Debian admin at my workplace switched works yesterday, so i am the new Debian admin now :) |
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| 14:43.16 | careta | tx, muchas gracias |
| 14:43.31 | NEWBIE_ | Guys Vinagre is acting up again |
| 14:43.42 | FinalX | bittin: not sure whether to congratulate you or to send you my condoleances ;) usually they go hand in hand |
| 14:43.46 | NEWBIE_ | my mouse is not clicking on anyting |
| 14:43.58 | FinalX | bittin: the amount of shit I had to dig through when I took over other people's stuff.. :) |
| 14:44.00 | NEWBIE_ | how can I click kill Vinagre ? |
| 14:44.03 | NEWBIE_ | KILL |
| 14:44.05 | tx | "killall vinagre" |
| 14:44.20 | tx | you seriously needed to jump on IRC to know how to kill a process? |
| 14:44.28 | NEWBIE_ | hmmm i cannot click on anything outside vinagre |
| 14:44.39 | NEWBIE_ | Sorry I am a new Newbie |
| 14:44.47 | jmcnaught | NEWBIE_: vinagre will also have a keyboard shortcut to release the keyboard from the remote, and then you can try ctrl+q or alt+f4 |
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| 14:45.19 | NEWBIE_ | thanks |
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| 14:45.59 | jmcnaught | tx: we don't really need to comment on people's level of experience here |
| 14:46.38 | jmcnaught | people come here for support, not to be made to feel bad for not already knowing the answers to their questions |
| 14:47.06 | n-iCe | jmcnaught: true |
| 14:47.08 | NEWBIE_ | is there a better vnc software then vinagre its really buggy |
| 14:47.15 | tx | remmina |
| 14:47.29 | n-iCe | NEWBIE_: realvnc? |
| 14:47.31 | NEWBIE_ | remming I had 2 mouses sadly |
| 14:47.38 | NEWBIE_ | ok going to get realvnc |
| 14:47.39 | pengui | jmcnaught: do i need to do this even if i require to execute a simple echo "helloworld" during startup? |
| 14:47.51 | NEWBIE_ | thanks |
| 14:47.58 | teraflops | tx: remmina can do vnc but it's not vnc itself |
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| 14:48.24 | jmcnaught | pengui: systemd units are the way to do it, and they're really simple and easy to make. |
| 14:48.25 | teraflops | tx: via plugins |
| 14:49.09 | Joergi | ksk, TomTomTosch: Thanks for your help so far! |
| 14:49.24 | jmcnaught | pengui: there's also /etc/rc.local but it's a legacy kludge |
| 14:49.27 | Joergi | I'll continue with this update in a few days I think. Thanks again! |
| 14:52.42 | pengui | jmcnaught: i will try to create one thanks |
| 14:52.55 | ksk | Joergi: yw. |
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| 14:53.06 | TomTomTosch | np^^ |
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| 14:56.46 | jmcnaught | pengui: there are lots of example in /lib/systemd/system (which is where packages put unit files, you put them in /etc) |
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| 15:19.34 | iamawesome | Hi, is sublime editor available on debian jessie? |
| 15:19.53 | johnkeates | as long as you have a webbrowser to download it: yes |
| 15:19.59 | johnkeates | maybe even wget works |
| 15:20.02 | johnkeates | or curl |
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| 15:20.25 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Hey, I have installed DVD1 and now I want to install the other DVDs. |
| 15:20.28 | v3n0mbyt35_ | How do I do it? |
| 15:20.42 | johnkeates | that's not really how it works |
| 15:20.43 | v3n0mbyt35_ | I'm using Debian |
| 15:20.47 | johnkeates | you install packages |
| 15:20.54 | v3n0mbyt35_ | alright. |
| 15:20.59 | johnkeates | you can install all sixtythousand+ of them |
| 15:21.25 | johnkeates | but normally, you'd setup a minimal desktop system that just has what you need |
| 15:21.25 | v3n0mbyt35_ | For that, I need debian repositories right |
| 15:21.25 | johnkeates | yes indeed |
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| 15:21.38 | johnkeates | once you have enough to get online, you often just use apt or synaptic or software center to install the rest |
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| 15:22.01 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Alright |
| 15:22.20 | v3n0mbyt35_ | and the apt-get distro-upgrade will download all the packages? |
| 15:22.28 | johnkeates | as a bonus, you'll immediately have the latest patched version |
| 15:22.32 | johnkeates | no |
| 15:22.37 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Then? |
| 15:22.43 | johnkeates | sudo apt-get install <the package you want here> |
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| 15:23.08 | johnkeates | or if you want to use a GUI, start software center or synaptic |
| 15:23.16 | v3n0mbyt35_ | I have synpatic. |
| 15:23.30 | hanasaki | how do you get virt-manager and libvirt to run X without "reverting back to software rendering"? |
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| 15:24.07 | pengui | jmcnaught: i wrote one but it wont accept my systemctl enable bob.service |
| 15:24.15 | johnkeates | v3n0mbyt35_: well, if you know what you want, you can install stuff there. i.e. vlc, you click vlc and click install |
| 15:24.16 | v3n0mbyt35_ | That indian repository is too slow. |
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| 15:24.36 | v3n0mbyt35_ | It's download 15.5 KB/s now. |
| 15:24.42 | johnkeates | switch to a different repository |
| 15:24.45 | v3n0mbyt35_ | *downloading |
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| 15:27.03 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: are you talking about libvirt guest domains having 3d acceleration? |
| 15:28.24 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:29.12 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: are you using VNC or SPICE to connect to the guest's graphical console? |
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| 15:29.33 | hanasaki | spice |
| 15:29.41 | hanasaki | tried vnc and spice jmcnaught |
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| 15:30.49 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: tried with qxl and wvga and vga |
| 15:30.51 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: in my experience SPICE is quite fast. is the guest on your local machine, or a remote? |
| 15:31.01 | hanasaki | local |
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| 15:32.52 | teraflops | qemu kind of suck at it even using QXL. there's virgl support in upstream right now using spice-gl, not that it's great but at least you can play tuxkart |
| 15:33.15 | teraflops | qemu/KVM* |
| 15:33.18 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: did you have 3d accel on? |
| 15:33.31 | n-iCe | hanasaki: how can we know if we have it on? |
| 15:33.54 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: libvirt/KVM in jessie doesn't support 3d acceleration in guests.. except if you use PCI passthrough |
| 15:33.54 | hanasaki | n-iCe: virsh dumpxml machinename |
| 15:34.02 | n-iCe | hanasaki: sorry? |
| 15:34.21 | hanasaki | n-iCe: need to use command line :) |
| 15:34.58 | n-iCe | hanasaki: what? what command |
| 15:35.07 | hanasaki | the command I just gave you |
| 15:35.12 | teraflops | hanasaki: what about you checking if 3d accel is on *inside* the guest |
| 15:35.29 | hanasaki | teraflops: I checked. it is off |
| 15:35.38 | n-iCe | hanasaki: that's nto a command |
| 15:35.47 | n-iCe | bash: virsh: command not found |
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| 15:35.59 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: virsh is a program from libvirt |
| 15:36.23 | n-iCe | is that the way to see if we have graph acceleration on? |
| 15:36.26 | n-iCe | there is no native command? |
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| 15:37.01 | jmcnaught | virsh dumpxml shows the XML config file for a domain (jargon for guest) |
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| 15:37.29 | hanasaki | nice maybeyou need to install and run as root |
| 15:37.37 | n-iCe | found glxinfo | less |
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| 15:37.50 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: any ideas? |
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| 15:38.24 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: are you talking about about a 1sec+ delay switching tabs in firefox in the guest? or is it just not as fluid as you'd like? |
| 15:38.36 | hanasaki | 10+ sec |
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| 15:39.02 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Guys, rest the OS is great but I can't seem to save my audio hardware settings in the KDE system settings. They revert back from the built-in audio to the ATI HDMI Audio when I exit the settings. |
| 15:39.16 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: are you sure the guest is using KVM? |
| 15:39.24 | teraflops | hanasaki: that's not right, it doesn't suck that much |
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| 15:40.28 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: please tell me how I can check |
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| 15:41.20 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: that doesn't sound like a SPICE/QXL problem to me. Using SPICE I can get full motion video in guests |
| 15:41.39 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: check the domain type in the dumpxml output (first line) |
| 15:41.46 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: don't care about full motion video. just doing development.. ide's and browsers |
| 15:41.51 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Guys, anyone can help me out? |
| 15:42.09 | hanasaki | <domain type='kvm' id='98'> |
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| 15:43.05 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: right well, SPICE+QXL is *fast* enough for me that guest can play fullscreen video, which says to me your problem of 10+ seconds switching browser tabs in the guest is something else |
| 15:43.15 | hanasaki | getting /dev/dri/card0 no such file in X logs |
| 15:43.47 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: does your X log say "switchign to software rendering "? |
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| 15:44.34 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: those are on a computer i don't have access to at the moment, the guests on this computer are all headless. The guest you're talking about is Debian too? |
| 15:44.56 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: maybe you could put dumpxml output on http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 15:45.18 | maziar | hello i want to run a command that take 2 hours to be completed, and my ssh connection is not a good connection, and my ssh will drop from my ISP, what should I do in Debian Jessie to make command still working after ssh disconecting |
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| 15:45.31 | greycat | maziar: use screen or tmux |
| 15:45.59 | missmbob | maziar: also consider mosh. |
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| 15:46.32 | greycat | (Unless you don't ever need to *see* the command running or interact with it, in which case you can simply do mycommand >log 2>&1 & disown) |
| 15:46.42 | maziar | greycat you mean by using tmux if ssh droped my command still is working ? |
| 15:47.06 | maziar | missmbob i don't know what is it ! |
| 15:47.12 | greycat | I have no personal experience with tmux, but screen certainly works that way. |
| 15:47.20 | maziar | i should mention nohup is not helped me |
| 15:47.46 | missmbob | maziar: it's ssh for crappy connections. made mostly for mobile but works great everywhere. my connection and drop for seconds or hours and it just comes back. really nice |
| 15:47.47 | maziar | greycat how ? would you please tell me an example ? |
| 15:47.49 | greycat | You login from client C to server S, run screen, then run whatever you want. Now it's running inside screen. If you drop connection and login to S again, you can run "screen -x" to reattach to the previous session. |
| 15:48.00 | missmbob | maziar: https://mosh.org |
| 15:49.00 | maziar | greycat you mean it will do it on background or it like pause and play ? |
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| 15:49.18 | greycat | I suggest you experiment a bit. It'll be more clear when you see it. |
| 15:50.04 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Guys, rest the OS is great but I can't seem to save my audio hardware settings in the KDE system settings. They revert back from the built-in audio to the ATI HDMI Audio when I exit the settings. |
| 15:50.05 | greycat | Another screen demo: open 2 terminal windows. In one of them, run screen, then run something else. In the second one, run "screen -x". Observe that they are both showing the same thing, and that you can *interact* with either one. |
| 15:50.08 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Anyone please? |
| 15:50.22 | hanasaki | http://paste.debian.net/842704/ jmcnaught |
| 15:50.30 | jmcnaught | v3n0mbyt35_: did you try pavucontrol? |
| 15:50.50 | v3n0mbyt35_ | what's that? |
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| 15:51.39 | iamawesome | It looks some debian packages are older than other linux distro's packages, then how can i get/install the newer version of that package? |
| 15:51.39 | greycat | pulse audio vsomething usomething |
| 15:51.51 | teraflops | maziar: you run a command on the remote system and you just disconnect (detach) it's running now inside the multiplexer, you can re-atach when you want |
| 15:52.03 | greycat | iamawesome: If you need shiny new shit, Debian may not be the best suited OS for you. |
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| 15:52.39 | iamawesome | greycat: Which linux distro will you recommend for that then? |
| 15:52.51 | maziar | teraflops when i use "&' in the end of my command if ssh drop this task will stop ? |
| 15:53.01 | greycat | You might get better answers to that in ##linux. |
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| 15:53.08 | teraflops | maziar: look at what greycat said above |
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| 15:53.24 | maziar | teraflops about screen ? |
| 15:53.29 | teraflops | nope ^ |
| 15:53.30 | v3n0mbyt35_ | <jmcnaught> ? |
| 15:53.51 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: i don't see anything out of the ordinary there. it looks like you added "<image compression='off'/>". did you change the CPU type from defaults? |
| 15:54.04 | jmcnaught | v3n0mbyt35_: can you please rephrase that in the form of a sentence? |
| 15:54.08 | teraflops | [â¦] mycommand >log 2>&1 & disown |
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| 15:54.23 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: yes. tried various cpu's. what does image compression do |
| 15:54.28 | iamawesome | greycat: Isn't it possible to install latest/newer version of a package anyhow on debian jessie? |
| 15:54.29 | hanasaki | its the qcow? |
| 15:55.02 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: it does what it sounds like, mostly useful for connecting to remote systems. |
| 15:55.10 | maziar | sorry i dont get your point ! |
| 15:55.13 | kisser | how can i install php 5.3.10 |
| 15:55.15 | v3n0mbyt35_ | I actually installed the Debian DVD1 latest i.e Jessie. And selected the KDE and two other DE in it. Now, when I try to adjust the sound settings |
| 15:55.16 | kisser | on jessie |
| 15:55.24 | kisser | with apache2 |
| 15:55.27 | kisser | php-fmp |
| 15:55.28 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: ah. actually I didn't edit that.. its whatever virt-manager put in |
| 15:55.30 | kisser | i have no problem |
| 15:55.39 | greycat | iamawesome: which package? |
| 15:55.50 | teraflops | maziar: sorry then |
| 15:55.56 | v3n0mbyt35_ | in the System Settings, it reverts back. I want it to be Default built-in audio while it goes away to ATI/HDMI Audio. |
| 15:56.05 | v3n0mbyt35_ | After exiting. |
| 15:56.19 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: i have found qcow slow, but not slow enough to take 10 seconds switching browser tabs. Do you have another host system you could try that qcow.img and XML on? |
| 15:56.42 | jmcnaught | v3n0mbyt35_: did you try pavucontrol which is a program available in a package with the same name? |
| 15:56.51 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Nope. |
| 15:56.59 | v3n0mbyt35_ | I will download it |
| 15:57.24 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: what do you prefer and why? to qcow2? don't think the disk will make much difference. this is after the browser is running with just two tabs of a simple webpage that runs fine on the host |
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| 15:58.10 | iamawesome | greycat: eclipse-4.7 or php7 or qt5.7 |
| 15:58.12 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: i agree that qcow shouldn't slow things down as much as you describe. i use LVM for storage with libvirt. |
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| 15:58.30 | greycat | iamawesome: fuuuuuck. You don't start small, do you. |
| 15:58.41 | greycat | Good luck. |
| 15:58.51 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: which release of debian are the host and guest? |
| 15:58.55 | missmbob | iamawesome: definitely not for you |
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| 15:59.49 | iamawesome | greycat: "You don't start small" what do you mean by this? |
| 16:00.14 | greycat | iamawesome: the things you named are all gigantic. |
| 16:00.20 | greycat | And difficult. |
| 16:00.31 | teraflops | iamawesome: it's fine debian jessie is not for you, it does not suit you needs |
| 16:00.36 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: jessie host / guest jessie |
| 16:01.04 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: what cpu do you use ? |
| 16:01.09 | hanasaki | guest cpu |
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| 16:02.56 | iamawesome | missmbob: "definitely not for you" , which one? |
| 16:03.12 | maziar | teraflops i dont understand i should attention to what, please help me |
| 16:03.26 | missmbob | iamawesome: debian is not for you |
| 16:03.27 | iamawesome | I thought, debian suits all, it's for all, it serves for all. |
| 16:03.54 | iamawesome | I like that debian is very stable. |
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| 16:04.02 | greycat | iamawesome: Maybe try Arch. Or ask ##linux what you should try. Or pick something at random that isn't marked as "stable" or "long term" or "server". |
| 16:04.13 | greycat | iamawesome: No you don't. |
| 16:04.24 | greycat | You JUST ADMITTED you want crazy new bleeding-edge shit. |
| 16:04.44 | greycat | This is the polar opposite of "stable". Stable means it does not change very often. |
| 16:04.44 | missmbob | iamawesome: it's solid because it's not new, you see. cant have both. |
| 16:04.45 | maziar | how to linux run command even after logout? |
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| 16:05.06 | teraflops | maziar: help with wat |
| 16:05.08 | iamawesome | maziar: You have to login first. |
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| 16:05.17 | greycat | maziar: Is it an interactive command that you need to keep inside a terminal, or is it just a background job that writes to a log file and nothing else? |
| 16:05.46 | iamawesome | I knew, someone can install newer packages on debian from backports or some other way. |
| 16:05.47 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: my nongraphical jessie guests, one doesn't have cpu defined (so default i guess) and the other is match=exact, fallback sandybridge (which is the host cpu model) |
| 16:05.55 | murphy | iamawesome, try parrot |
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| 16:06.23 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: for a couple of windows 7 guests on a jessie host, it needed to be core2duo but that was a windows bug. |
| 16:06.25 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: I tried qemu64 kvm64 core2duo westmire and copy host |
| 16:06.43 | hanasaki | hmm what was the bug? for edification please |
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| 16:07.13 | teraflops | jmcnaught: for windows guest I find rdesktop more reliable regarding graphics performance |
| 16:07.37 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: was thinknig kvm64 or qemu64 might be the lightest weight to run and still be 64 bit. |
| 16:08.13 | hanasaki | tried up to 4 cores without any improvement .. althought htop shows not cpu intensive |
| 16:08.20 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: windows 7 installer wouldn't start until we changed cpu to core2duo |
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| 16:08.53 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: i would try making a new domain with as close to defaults as you can using a copy of the qcow image |
| 16:09.03 | hanasaki | hmm good idea |
| 16:09.04 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: possibly on another jessie computer if one is available |
| 16:09.05 | maziar | greycat i want to run a command "for example convert a big video file" and then disconnect my ssh, but i want that run in back ground |
| 16:09.23 | missmbob | maziar: you've been told. screen or tmux |
| 16:09.30 | jmcnaught | teraflops: thanks. this particular setup is using remote-viewer in kiosk mode and needs USB redirection |
| 16:09.58 | greycat | maziar: And the conversion is something like "ffmpeg -x -y -z foo.avi -o bar.mp4"? Then it's a non-interactive background job. Just put >logfile 2>&1 & disown after it. |
| 16:10.20 | greycat | maziar: if it were interactive, then you should run it in screen or tmux instead, as I said initially. |
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| 16:10.37 | v3n0mbyt35_ | why this comes? It happens everytime I open a document with sudo with any graphical text editor. |
| 16:10.40 | v3n0mbyt35_ | http://paste.debian.net/842720 |
| 16:10.44 | teraflops | jmcnaught: ah |
| 16:11.16 | jmcnaught | v3n0mbyt35_: use gksudo for running gui programs as root |
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| 16:11.32 | missmbob | why are you running gedit as root? |
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| 16:11.33 | maziar | greycat yes like that |
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| 16:11.49 | v3n0mbyt35_ | not working |
| 16:11.57 | v3n0mbyt35_ | gksudo is an unknown comman |
| 16:12.20 | missmbob | good. prevents people from doing stupid things like running useless gui programs as root |
| 16:12.51 | jmcnaught | v3n0mbyt35_: it's in a package called gksu. or you can use the editor called 'editor' in your terminal emulator |
| 16:12.53 | maziar | greycat thank you it's seems ok |
| 16:13.13 | jmcnaught | v3n0mbyt35_: no luck with pavucontrol though, now you're editing pulseaudio configs? |
| 16:13.39 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Nah, pavucontrol is not available in my package list |
| 16:13.53 | v3n0mbyt35_ | like in synaptic |
| 16:14.07 | missmbob | v3n0mbyt35_: you're still in parrot like yesterday, arent you? |
| 16:14.23 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Nah |
| 16:14.28 | v3n0mbyt35_ | I'm in Debian |
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| 16:14.32 | missmbob | ,v pavucontrol |
| 16:14.33 | judd | Package: pavucontrol on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0-1; jessie: 2.0-3; stretch: 3.0-3+b2; sid: 3.0-3+b2 |
| 16:14.37 | missmbob | debian has it |
| 16:14.39 | jmcnaught | !show sources.list v3n0mbyt35_ |
| 16:14.39 | dpkg | v3n0mbyt35_: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 16:16.43 | v3n0mbyt35_ | http://paste.debian.net/842723 |
| 16:16.46 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Here it is |
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| 16:19.01 | jmcnaught | v3n0mbyt35_: either you need to run "apt-get update" or you have a typo in "apt-get install pavucontrol" |
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| 16:21.37 | v3n0mbyt35_ | It says that it's not available but another package has referred it. |
| 16:21.41 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: what do you mean new domain? |
| 16:21.43 | v3n0mbyt35_ | And can't install. |
| 16:21.54 | v3n0mbyt35_ | when I do the apt-get install pavucontrol |
| 16:21.58 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: domain is what libvirt calls guest virtual machines |
| 16:22.39 | jmcnaught | v3n0mbyt35_: did you run "apt update" ? |
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| 16:25.22 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: done. same results |
| 16:26.42 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: do you get the same symptoms in other VMs, or with other applications in the same VM? Say you ssh into the VM and run some commands, are they really slow too? |
| 16:26.56 | hanasaki | console is fine |
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| 16:27.11 | hanasaki | console via ssh is fine. its all the X I think |
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| 16:27.41 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: tried stretch... lol still slow : where are the wayland logs? |
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| 16:28.20 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: wayland is still a beacon of hope on the horizon for me so i don't know |
| 16:28.20 | apb1963 | apb@blue:~$ gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator |
| 16:28.21 | apb1963 | Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.gnome.Terminal exited with status 1 |
| 16:29.42 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: stretch seems to be on wayland |
| 16:30.13 | teraflops | hanasaki: can you be more specific? |
| 16:30.35 | hanasaki | teraflops: if you do a ps in stretch the process is wayland |
| 16:30.44 | teraflops | hanasaki: no not really |
| 16:30.59 | teraflops | hanasaki: youre running gnome wayland or GDM I guess |
| 16:31.08 | teraflops | or plasma5 if it's there |
| 16:31.32 | teraflops | but no, strecht does not *do* wayland y default |
| 16:31.36 | teraflops | by* |
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| 16:32.05 | teraflops | that's why I asked about being more specific |
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| 18:28.01 | apb1963 | I'm merely using what was put here by default. |
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| 18:28.03 | Akuli | i don't know, i guess the developers didn't bother to remove it yet |
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| 18:28.20 | apb1963 | Well.. then they should expect complaints when it doesn't work :) |
| 18:28.27 | Akuli | it's easy to do things with sudo anyway, so 99% of the time you don't need even sudo -i :) |
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| 18:28.47 | apb1963 | Akuli: for the record.. I despise having to type sudo each and everytime I want to do something. |
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| 18:29.01 | Akuli | echo 'alias s=sudo' >> .bashrc |
| 18:29.06 | Akuli | s apt-get install emacs |
| 18:29.16 | Akuli | better? :) |
| 18:29.18 | apb1963 | ugh. emacs is an atrocity. |
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| 18:29.26 | Akuli | s apt-get install vim |
| 18:29.28 | Akuli | better? :D |
| 18:29.35 | apb1963 | Comes by default. |
| 18:29.42 | apb1963 | Still doesn't get me a root terminal |
| 18:29.53 | Akuli | alias f='sudo -i' |
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| 18:30.16 | apb1963 | OK so your answer is, "it's broken and I'm not interested in fixing it. Here are other ways to simulate it." |
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| 18:30.19 | `Kevin | apb1963: atrocity? strong words for something you do not understand |
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| 18:30.36 | apb1963 | `Kevin: I don't need to understand something to know I don't like it for 30+ years. |
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| 18:31.06 | `Kevin | apb1963: poor choice of words |
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| 18:31.23 | apb1963 | `Kevin: No worries. |
| 18:31.24 | greycat | If there's something that is supposed to work, and it's not working, then file a bug report. |
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| 18:31.39 | Akuli | emacs is still imo the best text-based editor i've seen so far during my short time in unix/gnu/linux |
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| 18:31.51 | apb1963 | greycat: Yes... OR... I could come to IRC and see if anyone knows what the fix is. |
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| 18:32.14 | apb1963 | Akuli: best for what? That's an opinion. My opinion differs. |
| 18:32.24 | Akuli | yes, and i know it |
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| 18:32.57 | Akuli | i want an editor that comes with documentation when i install it on debian and has only one mode for insterting and deleting, and of course what you'd expect from any advanced text editor like multiple windows and stuff |
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| 18:32.59 | apb1963 | My point is... it used to work... now it doesn't. I do not know why. If you don't either then that' |
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| 18:33.05 | Jidoor_ | does = do anything with symbolic chmod? like i was expecting chmod u=rwx to give those permissions to owner and remove all others but it doesn't seem to work |
| 18:33.06 | apb1963 | s fine... but emacs is not the solution. |
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| 18:33.15 | Akuli | right.. :) |
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| 18:33.46 | jmcnaught | apb1963: can you find the .desktop file for your root terminal icon in /usr/share/applications? |
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| 18:34.07 | blug | Does anyone know how to save opened websites in firefox without redownloading them??? There is plenty of discussion on the internet about it but ***no*** solution... |
| 18:34.25 | Akuli | blug, Ctrl+S? |
| 18:34.34 | blug | Akuli: this redownloads |
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| 18:34.36 | Akuli | oh wait... sorry i didn't read |
| 18:34.45 | Akuli | is inpatient |
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| 18:35.49 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: not sure. Ther'es gksu and gnome-terminal... since it's supposed to be x-terminal-emulator which I do not see... then no? |
| 18:35.50 | greycat | blug: near as I can tell, the current crop of browsers all decided to drop that feature, because the people who develop browsers don't ever USE the fucking things. |
| 18:36.07 | greycat | blug: just like they decided to drop "Pressing ESC stops all animations." |
| 18:36.14 | Akuli | seems like firefox doesn't save the files anywhere on disk as it loads them |
| 18:36.19 | Akuli | which kind of makes sense |
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| 18:36.26 | jmcnaught | apb1963: what is this icon you're talking about called? |
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| 18:38.11 | apb1963 | my123_: Again.. not sure what you're asking. If I mouse hover over it, it says "Root Terminal". If I look at the icon's properties in the "General" tab, it says gksu-2 |
| 18:38.28 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: ^^^ |
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| 18:38.33 | apb1963 | my123_: sorry, wrong target. |
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| 18:39.29 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: and that doesn't exist... change it from gksu-2 to gksu? |
| 18:39.33 | jmcnaught | apb1963: so "grep 'Name=Root' /usr/share/applications" should tell you the .desktop file responsible for this icon. Next you should open that file, and see what the Exec= line says |
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| 18:39.42 | jmcnaught | apb1963: we're looking not changing right now |
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| 18:39.56 | Akuli | grep '^Name=Root' |
| 18:40.02 | Akuli | searches from beginning of lines |
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| 18:40.12 | blug | greycat: this is really a mess. I mean, when you visit a site and then go offline, you don't have any chance of saving what is being displayed which must reside in the cache! |
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| 18:40.32 | jmcnaught | yeah i don't think there's going to be a lot of matches for it though |
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| 18:40.39 | Akuli | blug, except that it seems to be in ram, not cache |
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| 18:41.04 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: -bash: grep 'Name=Root' /usr/share/applications: No such file or directory |
| 18:41.09 | blug | Akuli: it's cached in RAM |
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| 18:41.26 | Akuli | ok :) |
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| 18:41.44 | jmcnaught | apb1963: oh sorry add a '/*' to the end |
| 18:41.47 | Akuli | i thought you meant caching as in caching to temporary files |
| 18:42.07 | Akuli | maybe grep -r? |
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| 18:42.28 | apb1963 | -bash: grep 'Name=Root' /usr/share/applications/*: No such file or directory |
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| 18:42.34 | blug | Akuli: ah, I thought you thought I meant the CPU's Lvl 1 cache or so :-) |
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| 18:42.59 | Akuli | apb1963, grep 'Root Terminal' /usr/share/applications/* |
| 18:43.40 | apb1963 | I had to get rid of the double quotes |
| 18:43.47 | Akuli | oh right |
| 18:43.53 | Akuli | yes... :) |
| 18:43.54 | Jidoor_ | i have these permissions on a directory drwx--S--- , does the S do anything here |
| 18:44.00 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: Other than that, your first one was correct. |
| 18:44.14 | Jidoor_ | and why is it capital S when its usually lower case s |
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| 18:44.16 | greycat | Jidoor_: It means that ONCE AGAIN, someone has put a setgid bit on a directory that is not group-x. |
| 18:44.24 | apb1963 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.29 | greycat | I don't know who or how or why but it KEEPS HAPPENING and people KEEP ASKING ABOUT IT. |
| 18:44.35 | jmcnaught | apb1963: i put commands in quotes for people so they know when the command starts and ends |
| 18:44.35 | greycat | I wish just once someone would tell us what's doing it. |
| 18:44.39 | apb1963 | which is what I suggested form the beginning :) |
| 18:44.47 | jmcnaught | apb1963: look at the Exec= line in that file |
| 18:44.56 | Akuli | apb1963, netcat termbin.com 9999 < /usr/share/applications/gksu.desktop |
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| 18:45.22 | apb1963 | Akuli: what does that do? |
| 18:45.34 | Akuli | sends your file to termbin.com and gives you a link to it |
| 18:45.41 | Akuli | termbin.com is just a pastebin |
| 18:45.59 | Akuli | of course, use whatever pastebin you like |
| 18:46.01 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: Exec=gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator |
| 18:46.40 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: which is of course what I executed on the command line to see what it was doing. |
| 18:46.55 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: And we loop back to the top of this conversation :) |
| 18:47.18 | apb1963 | apb@blue:~$ gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator |
| 18:47.18 | jmcnaught | apb1963: right. the point was to see if the icon was using a different command. Sounds like you need to report a bug against the gksu package |
| 18:47.19 | apb1963 | Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.gnome.Terminal exited with status 1 |
| 18:47.41 | greycat | Waiting for the part where he tells us he's not running jessie. |
| 18:47.50 | greycat | That's going to be so awesome. |
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| 18:48.00 | Akuli | i think the problem is with gnome, not gksu |
| 18:48.01 | apb1963 | I don't know... this used to work. I must have broken something...somehow. |
| 18:48.08 | Akuli | it is after all gnome's terminal its trying to run |
| 18:48.11 | jmcnaught | apb1963: are you running jessie? |
| 18:48.38 | apb1963 | Akuli: It runs it fine... as long as I don't use gksu |
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| 18:49.22 | Akuli | the warning comes from gnome-terminal -> report the bug to gnome-terminal developers :D |
| 18:49.52 | apb1963 | Akuli: http://termbin.com/0bhs |
| 18:50.17 | jmcnaught | apb1963: did you test with and without gnome-terminal already running, or "gksu some-other-terminal" ? Also are you using jessie or not? |
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| 18:51.05 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/842769/ |
| 18:51.07 | Akuli | is x-terminal-emulator a symlink directly to gnome-terminal or some launcher script? |
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| 18:51.50 | apb1963 | Akuli: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 Jun 24 2015 /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator -> /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator |
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| 18:52.25 | Akuli | if i remember correctly /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator points to yet another place. :) |
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| 18:52.51 | Akuli | 777 doesn't seem quite right for me though |
| 18:53.00 | jmcnaught | updateupdate-alternatives --display x-terminal-emulator |
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| 18:53.15 | apb1963 | Akuli: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Jun 24 2015 /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator -> /usr/bin/gnome-terminal.wrapper |
| 18:53.24 | jmcnaught | errr... s/updateupdate/update/ |
| 18:53.28 | n-iCe | http://beta.nameless.tv/video/meet-the-biohackers-that-are-illegally-upgrading-their-bodies-00026 |
| 18:53.51 | jmcnaught | apb1963: try it with terminator |
| 18:54.40 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/842771/ I don't know what terminator is?? or how you mean I should use it? |
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| 18:55.14 | jmcnaught | apb1963: terminator is another terminal emulator. install the package, see if "gksu terminator" works |
| 18:55.26 | Akuli | funny name |
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| 18:55.36 | Akuli | i'd also try with plain xterm |
| 18:55.45 | jmcnaught | apb1963: if it does you can report the bug against gnome-terminal |
| 18:56.14 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: gksu xterm ?? |
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| 18:56.34 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: gksu xterm works... is that sufficient or does it need to be terminator? |
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| 18:58.08 | jmcnaught | apb1963: the point was to see if it works with something other than gnome-terminal |
| 18:58.41 | apb1963 | x-terminal-emulator works fine w/out gksu... gksu works fine w/out x-terminal-emulator. It's only when used together that I get the above. |
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| 18:58.54 | jmcnaught | apb1963: next you would look at http://bugs.debian.org/gnome-terminal to see if it's alrady reported |
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| 18:59.38 | jmcnaught | apb1963: x-terminal-emulator is a generic command provided by Debian's alternatives system. You can run 'update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator' to change what it points to |
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| 19:00.43 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: Now that's helpful. Thank you |
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| 19:01.10 | jmcnaught | apb1963: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712104 |
| 19:01.11 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/712104 in gnome-terminal (open, confirmed): «gnome-terminal: gksu gnome-terminal doesn't start in certain conditions»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-06-13; last modified: 2015-06-23. |
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| 19:04.53 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: installed terminator... problem went away |
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| 19:05.12 | Akuli | now x-terminal-emulator points to terminator |
| 19:05.19 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: Akuli: thanks! |
| 19:05.21 | apb1963 | yes |
| 19:05.56 | jmcnaught | apb1963: adding your experience to that bug i linked might help it get fixed, but it doesn't look like a very high priority at the moment |
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| 19:07.05 | `Kevin | im guessing its busted completely under the root user, so if you can get it to launch under sudo su - .. :) |
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| 19:09.47 | greycat | Looks like the bug was reported while jessie was still unstable, and then never fixed for the release. |
| 19:09.57 | greycat | Go go gnome. |
| 19:10.08 | n-iCe | what bug |
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| 19:10.22 | Akuli | mate ftw :D |
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| 19:11.13 | n-iCe | Akuli: never used mate |
| 19:11.19 | apb1963 | The final comment From: Jonathan McDowell seems to imply he found the solution. |
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| 19:11.41 | Akuli | n-iCe, if you used gnome 2 back when it was the thing mate is very similar |
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| 19:12.18 | n-iCe | Akuli: yeah I used to use it |
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| 19:12.34 | n-iCe | Akuli: not listed in the official releases right |
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| 19:13.30 | Akuli | n-iCe, my debian installer had mate as an option for a desktop |
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| 19:13.49 | n-iCe | oh really? |
| 19:13.52 | n-iCe | netinstall? |
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| 19:14.10 | apb1963 | Nope. His potential soultion doesn't apply to me. |
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| 19:15.14 | jmcnaught | apb1963: i think that gnome-terminal uses a client-server model now where a single process handles several windows. it's quite possible that this doesn't work with gksu at all (gksu is not installed by gnome meta-packages) |
| 19:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate |
| 19:16.00 | apb1963 | On a clear disk you can seek forever. |
| 19:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | what did he try to run with gksu? |
| 19:16.17 | boxrick1 | When using advanced ACL on Linux, do they replace or simply add to the permission of normal Linux permissions? |
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| 19:16.31 | boxrick1 | And is there honestly any point in them? |
| 19:16.39 | Akuli | n-iCe, i think it was a mini.iso |
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| 19:17.02 | Akuli | currently i'm running devuan and they provide nothing but netinstalls :) they also had that there |
| 19:17.03 | apb1963 | apb@blue:~$ gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator |
| 19:17.05 | apb1963 | cut: Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.gnome.Terminal exited with status 1 |
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| 19:17.38 | jmcnaught | people usually shouldn't use mini.iso. it doesn't support UEFI for one thing. netinst is the one people want. |
| 19:17.40 | apb1963 | well thta didn't come out perfect... but you get the idea CutMeOwnThroat |
| 19:17.41 | Akuli | n-iCe, even if it's not there's a mate-desktop package you can get |
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| 19:19.37 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: My situation is already noted on the bug by someone else. It's been there for 3 years. I'm not real hopeful. |
| 19:19.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, seems to work for me, but my x-terminal-emulator is lxterm |
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| 19:20.08 | apb1963 | CutMeOwnThroat: other terminals work... just not this specific one. |
| 19:20.11 | `Kevin | CutMeOwnThroat: tis only gnome-terminal's issue |
| 19:20.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | funnily lxterm also uses some server-client thingy |
| 19:21.00 | `Kevin | it likely isnt limited to gksu, its likely simply `when run as root` |
| 19:21.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see little difference between lxterm and gnome-terminal, though |
| 19:21.49 | apb1963 | it's the little things that matter. |
| 19:22.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the main or only difference I see is in help-->about |
| 19:22.29 | jmcnaught | i see little value in gksu to be honest |
| 19:23.15 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: its' what allows you to run GUI based programs as root |
| 19:23.19 | `Kevin | jmcnaught: explains ticket priority :) |
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| 19:27.36 | CuteMeOwnThroat | apb1963, I can run "gksu gnome-terminal" and it gives me a gnome-terminal with a root shell inside |
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| 19:29.24 | apb1963 | $ gksu gnome-terminal |
| 19:29.25 | apb1963 | Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.gnome.Terminal exited with status 1 |
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| 19:29.58 | n-iCe | apb1963: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=180103 |
| 19:30.00 | apb1963 | CuteMeOwnThroat: close the window and try again. See if it's consistant. |
| 19:30.47 | apb1963 | n-iCe: yes, I saw that earlier thank you. It doesn't apply to me. |
| 19:30.51 | CuteMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 19:30.55 | `Kevin | apb1963: sudo to root, skip gksu .... does gnome-terminal launch? |
| 19:31.04 | apb1963 | `Kevin: yes |
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| 19:31.20 | apb1963 | `Kevin: wait |
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| 19:31.25 | apb1963 | `Kevin: misread that |
| 19:31.51 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Hey I need the Debian Jessie sources links please. I mistakenly remove them. |
| 19:32.04 | apb1963 | `Kevin: |
| 19:32.06 | apb1963 | No protocol specified |
| 19:32.07 | apb1963 | ** (gnome-terminal:14681): WARNING **: Could not open X display |
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| 19:32.16 | greycat | v3n0mbyt35_: /msg dpkg jessie sources.list |
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| 19:32.35 | v3n0mbyt35_ | what greycat? |
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| 19:33.28 | `Kevin | apb1963: export DISPLAY=:0; gnome-terminal |
| 19:33.29 | `Kevin | as root |
| 19:33.46 | apb1963 | `Kevin: It's alread :0 |
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| 19:34.17 | v3n0mbyt35_ | it does not work greycat |
| 19:34.20 | apb1963 | `Kevin: Im guessing it can't open it because it's already open as apb, the user. |
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| 19:34.52 | apb1963 | `Kevin: It needs to open a different display... I tried :1 but that didn't help |
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| 19:36.49 | `Kevin | apb1963: xhost |
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| 19:36.52 | `Kevin | what does that return |
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| 19:37.32 | apb1963 | xhost: unable to open display ":0" |
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| 19:37.42 | `Kevin | apb1963: non-root user :) |
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| 19:38.02 | apb1963 | `Kevin: yes.. that would work...... but you told me to skip gksu and run it as root. |
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| 19:38.44 | `Kevin | apb1963: you have provided numerous people with attitude while here and trying to get to the bottom of this, |
| 19:38.47 | `Kevin | apb1963: so enjoy |
| 19:38.58 | apb1963 | `Kevin: I'm simply reporting facts. |
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| 19:39.02 | CuteMeOwnThroat | apb1963, yes, of course works repeatedly⦠and something's caching my rights because I only had to type pwd the 1st time |
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| 19:39.09 | `Kevin | apb1963: you are being an asshat |
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| 19:39.24 | apb1963 | `Kevin: I disagree and believe the exact reverse. |
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| 19:39.48 | apb1963 | CuteMeOwnThroat: well, then it sounds like it's not a bug and there's something wrong with my config. |
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| 19:40.14 | apb1963 | CuteMeOwnThroat: Or you just haven't tickled the bug yet, and I have. |
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| 19:53.12 | apb1963 | Here's the solution. A poor one, but the one apparently chosen by developers. Summary: "Don't do that." https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Terminal/FAQ#Terminal_fails_to_start |
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| 19:59.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | still doesn't explain why I seem to be able to do it |
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| 20:01.13 | jmcnaught | CutMeOwnThroat: is the difference that you already have a gnome-terminal window open, and apb1963 does not, or vice-versa? |
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| 20:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmcnaught, following your hypothesis, I started an unprivileged gnome-terminal first and ran gksu from inside that |
| 20:02.19 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: that's why I asked if he could do it consistantly |
| 20:02.26 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: after closing it...he said yes. |
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| 20:03.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, now I get the error |
| 20:03.35 | teraflops | apb1963: i cannot go up on the buffer,so perhaps im missing context. tried just `xhost +` |
| 20:03.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the previous gnome-terminal-server was owned by root⦠but it was a normal user shell inside the terminal |
| 20:03.59 | apb1963 | teraflops: no... way out of context :) |
| 20:04.04 | teraflops | oh |
| 20:04.06 | teraflops | ;) |
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| 20:04.23 | apb1963 | teraflops: and you probably don't want xhost + ... If I'm not mistaken that's a severe security issue. |
| 20:04.25 | teraflops | xhost + then e.g sudo gparted :S |
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| 20:04.53 | `Kevin | `severe`? |
| 20:04.53 | teraflops | apb1963: xorg is a security issue itself but yeah |
| 20:05.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea how I got that⦠and I cannot get it again |
| 20:05.02 | teraflops | goat |
| 20:05.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
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| 20:05.59 | apb1963 | teraflops: No.... let me give you a tiny bit of background on that portion of the discussion... For testing purposes as requested by someone... I'm trying to open a gnome terminal, as root. |
| 20:06.20 | teraflops | yeah use polkit or use xhost + |
| 20:06.20 | apb1963 | teraflops: Since I'm logged in as "apb", apb already owns the display. |
| 20:06.27 | jmcnaught | teraflops: xorg hasn't required goat sacrifice since the xf86config days |
| 20:06.34 | teraflops | jmcnaught: heh |
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| 20:07.00 | teraflops | apb1963: for testing purposes go use xhost + ⦠|
| 20:07.14 | apb1963 | teraflops: therefore, the test can't be done as requested, unless I can figure out a way to use an alternate display. |
| 20:07.23 | teraflops | :S |
| 20:07.31 | teraflops | returns to the football |
| 20:07.36 | `Kevin | good idea |
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| 20:08.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, no idea how it was possible for me before |
| 20:08.24 | apb1963 | teraflops: |
| 20:08.25 | apb1963 | # xhost + |
| 20:08.27 | apb1963 | No protocol specified |
| 20:08.28 | apb1963 | xhost: unable to open display ":0" |
| 20:09.08 | teraflops | I get access control disabled, clients can connect from any host |
| 20:09.20 | bezaban | not as root |
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| 20:09.52 | teraflops | apb1963: xhost + as your user not as root and inside the current Xorg session |
| 20:10.38 | apb1963 | teraflops: I see. OK, that works. |
| 20:10.40 | bezaban | and to restrict it to root you can use xhost +SI:localuser:root |
| 20:10.49 | teraflops | apb1963: ah |
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| 20:11.06 | apb1963 | bezaban: whoa... now there's some funky magic I've never seen before ever anywhere :) |
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| 20:11.18 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Guys |
| 20:11.37 | v3n0mbyt35_ | if someone can help. I need the sources.list for Debian Jessie Stable 8.6 |
| 20:11.52 | v3n0mbyt35_ | I had mistakenly removed the links from it |
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| 20:12.03 | apb1963 | access control list... ok |
| 20:12.37 | teraflops | apb1963: when tests done, xhost - |
| 20:12.38 | apb1963 | bezaban: so, does that also restrict to localhost? |
| 20:12.38 | `Kevin | v3n0mbyt35_: you can work off of /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 20:12.49 | teraflops | because security :S |
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| 20:13.13 | apb1963 | teraflops: just what I've read and vaguely recall. |
| 20:13.25 | teraflops | apb1963: nah it's fine |
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| 20:13.29 | bezaban | apb1963: yeah |
| 20:13.59 | teraflops | apb1963: that's why is disabled by default |
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| 20:14.32 | apb1963 | teraflops: sorry... I'm confused... xhosts is disabled by default because it's a security risk, is that what you're saying? |
| 20:15.12 | teraflops | I meant access control is enabled by default because security |
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| 20:15.54 | teraflops | sorry my english is terrible |
| 20:15.56 | bezaban | 'xhost +' on it's own opens up to everyone |
| 20:16.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | xhost only limits access to come from the host, not from a specific user on the host |
| 20:16.06 | `Kevin | apb1963: its disabled by default because most people do not need it, if you enable it you then its understood you know what you are doing and can keep it secure |
| 20:16.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why you eat magic cookies |
| 20:16.09 | apb1963 | so.... I'm still confused. Does adding root in the manner bezaban described create, or eliminate the risk? |
| 20:16.11 | teraflops | apb1963: go use polkit if you want |
| 20:16.12 | bezaban | so, xhost -, then xhost +SI:localuser:root |
| 20:16.19 | teraflops | gnome does polkit |
| 20:16.42 | bezaban | xhost on it's own to show authorized clients |
| 20:16.55 | teraflops | pkexec or whatever I dont have a gnome box at hand |
| 20:17.04 | bezaban | localuser are restricted to local connections |
| 20:17.34 | bezaban | but I'd rather su inside a terminal |
| 20:17.47 | apb1963 | teraflops: I don't know anything about polkit or why I'd want it or what it does or... anything. I want to simplify life, not do things just for the sake of doing them. |
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| 20:18.05 | bezaban | that terminal doesn't need root, the shell does |
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| 20:18.17 | apb1963 | bezaban: mostly I was just trying to fix the gnome supplied icon on my gnome supplied panel |
| 20:18.32 | jmcnaught | apb1963: policykit is what gnome uses for privilege escalation these days. gksu does not come with gnome. |
| 20:18.34 | teraflops | apb1963: I was talking about to accomplish the same but not using xhost + |
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| 20:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well⦠what you're doing looks a hell lot like complicating things to me and not at all like simplifying |
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| 20:19.04 | apb1963 | CutMeOwnThroat: I simply wanted to make the default supplied programs work as expected. |
| 20:19.07 | teraflops | that too, also you were asking |
| 20:19.17 | teraflops | you = apb1963 |
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| 20:20.58 | apb1963 | CutMeOwnThroat: how that complicates things... I don't know. |
| 20:20.58 | apb1963 | teraflops: Perhaps it's left over from a previous version. |
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| 20:21.25 | CuteMeOwnThroat | I mean, there's lots and lots of simple ways to get a root shell that work, but you insist on using this combination that just plainly doesn't work |
| 20:21.49 | CuteMeOwnThroat | and btw, I was disconnected in between again |
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| 20:21.56 | apb1963 | CuteMeOwnThroat: it's been demonstrated that it does in fact work... by yourself for instance. |
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| 20:22.22 | CuteMeOwnThroat | apb1963, yes, because - irreproducably - gnome-terminal-server was root owned |
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| 20:22.29 | CuteMeOwnThroat | that was a fluke |
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| 20:22.44 | missmbob_ | that's a new word for me |
| 20:22.46 | CuteMeOwnThroat | you even found the official gnome-terminal page that said it doesn't work |
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| 20:22.54 | apb1963 | CuteMeOwnThroat: I see. OK, well that's good to know. Maybe that was why it worked for me too at first. |
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| 20:23.09 | jmcnaught | apb1963: the developers of gnome-terminal have a FAQ that you found saying that it does not work. they have clearly designed the program in a way that does not allow it to work with gksu. Either use gksu with another terminal emulator, or stop using gksu. |
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| 20:24.18 | apb1963 | Thanks. |
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| 20:26.55 | jmcnaught | apb1963: you could also make a new gksu.desktop and put it in /usr/local/share/applications or ~/.local/share/applications, with an Exec= that says 'gnome-terminal -- su -' |
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| 20:27.08 | jmcnaught | it wouldn't really be gksu then though |
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| 20:27.42 | CuteMeOwnThroat | apb1963, anyway, I doubt it's a smart idea to have the terminal running as root ⦠that could well be a security risk |
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| 20:28.00 | CuteMeOwnThroat | or maybe just a risk risk |
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| 20:29.03 | apb1963 | jmcnaught: CuteMeOwnThroat: ok thanks |
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| 20:29.18 | apb1963 | bezaban: teraflops: `Kevin: thanks |
| 20:29.25 | teraflops | policykit is fine, gnome handles all that shit but gnome-terminal is an exception as CuteMeOwnThroat pointed, anyway I cannot see the point of running it as root |
| 20:29.30 | teraflops | apb1963: np |
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| 20:40.10 | apb1963 | bezaban: by the way... those commands are not documented on the xhost man page. |
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| 20:45.06 | `Kevin | apb1963: its from combinding xhost man and Xsecurity 7 |
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| 20:45.47 | `Kevin | apb1963: https://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.8.1/doc/Xsecurity.7.html |
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| 20:58.19 | Jidoor | like if multiple people use a group folder they all need to set their umask so they create files with group write permissions |
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| 21:12.20 | `Kevin | Jidoor: you can try using setfacl |
| 21:12.37 | apb1963 | [13:56] <Jidoor> [...snip...] is there some way to give all new files group write access |
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| 21:14.32 | apb1963 | Jidoor: is setting the umask not sufficient? |
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| 21:17.47 | apb1963 | heads off for brunner (breakfast/lunch/dinner) |
| 21:17.54 | `Kevin | Jidoor: i agree with umask but if that isnt an option, remount the directory with acl if needed (sudo mount -o remount,acl /path/to/mount) |
| 21:18.22 | `Kevin | and setfacl -m "default:group::rw" /path/to/mount |
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| 21:18.29 | `Kevin | change rw to whatever you want for group perms |
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| 21:18.51 | `Kevin | r,rw,rwx ... |
| 21:19.31 | `Kevin | umask is cleaner |
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| 21:53.31 | harovali | is it reasonable to do an upgrade remotely via ssh to a system that runs squeeze to wheezy ? What does experience say ? |
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| 21:54.47 | kolbe | i sure wouldn't trust that |
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| 21:55.07 | missmbob_ | harovali: it's reasonable. |
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| 21:55.46 | jmcnaught | harovali: make sure you follow the instructions in the wheezy release notes |
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| 21:58.22 | somiaj | harovali: have a backup plan if the reboot fails to get on the new kernel. But for the most part it is reasonable if you read the instructions. Experimenting on a vm can help if you haven't done the upgrade before. |
| 21:58.51 | missmbob | plus what kind of a remote system do you have that's not a vm that can be quickly/easily restored? |
| 21:59.02 | missmbob | that's no way to run a server |
| 21:59.11 | missmbob | can't* be |
| 21:59.15 | `Kevin | harovali:id weigh that depending how critical the server is |
| 21:59.18 | Spec | I have a preferences.d file I'm trying to use for pinning on two servers. On one server, "apt-cache policy <package>" shows the correct version as "Candidate" and "Installed", but on the other server, it shows the wrong version as candidate. Same sources, same preferences.d. Where/what else effects the apt policy? |
| 21:59.25 | `Kevin | if its critical i wouldnt be remote |
| 21:59.39 | `Kevin | unless you have n+1 |
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| 22:01.10 | `Kevin | missmbob: x2 :) why we are pushing towards container infrastructure |
| 22:02.23 | somiaj | Spec: does apt-cache policy (no package name) show the correct pinning? |
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| 22:03.30 | Spec | oic, what i thought was happening was not |
| 22:03.44 | Spec | the only reason it looked correct on "working server" is because that version was already installed |
| 22:04.34 | harovali | kolbe: missmbob_: somiaj: `Kevin: thanks |
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| 22:13.55 | Spec | somiaj: got it now, thanks :) |
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| 22:20.57 | madprops | if i ping a site and it only gives me one response and then just a flashing cursor does it means the ip is banned or the server could have pings 'disabled' ? |
| 22:22.53 | somiaj | if pings were disabled you would get no responses |
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| 22:26.10 | dobbelj | Heyo, I am having some problems with installing Debian on my computer. I tried the latest testing build, but this will not properly boot. After wrestling a bit with UEFI, I only get a black screen, and no ttys to use(ctrl+alt+F1-6 does not work). I then tried installing Debian stable, and after installation, it just stalls after telling me the root |
| 22:26.10 | dobbelj | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.25 | somiaj | !testing installer |
| 22:26.25 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:27.02 | somiaj | which stable install image were you using? I'm unsure what your issue could be. |
| 22:27.21 | dobbelj | I just pulled the amd64 netinstall image |
| 22:27.58 | dobbelj | I have also submitted bugs about the problems encountered in the testing installer, so I'm waiting for some feedback there as well. |
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| 22:32.56 | dobbelj | I used this image http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 22:33.25 | somiaj | dobbelj: are you installing a desktop enviorment? |
| 22:33.41 | dobbelj | Yes, KDE |
| 22:34.03 | somiaj | dobbelj: try to install without a desktop enviroment. Maybe it is xorg causing troubles. |
| 22:34.21 | dobbelj | somiaj: Thanks, I will give it a go. |
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| 23:03.50 | awal1 | Any "serious" solution for make iceweasel not automatically playing html5 video autoloaded in some websites? |
| 23:03.57 | awal1 | firefox-esr ^ |
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| 23:05.45 | awal1 | I do use (sometimes) xul ext flashblock but it's buggy with html5 multimedia contents usually |
| 23:06.12 | somiaj | extensions are the only thing I could think of that would do that. |
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| 23:06.56 | somiaj | http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/11/finally-mozilla-adds-working-html5-video-autoplay-blocking-to-firefox/ first link with "firefox extension disable html5 video autoplay" |
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| 23:08.04 | awal1 | xul-ext-flashblock is the only one present in debian repos but it's not enough mature for html5 |
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| 23:08.54 | awal1 | somiaj, thanks for the link; I have seen mozilla devs forums talking about that |
| 23:09.17 | awal1 | seems that the goal is not achieved yet |
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| 23:12.13 | notadrop | Hi, I already have an Arch Linux install on this machine, and I'd like to install Debian alongside it. Arch uses a seperate /boot partition. Should Debian also use the same /boot? |
| 23:12.32 | notadrop | I'm new to dual-booting two Linux distros |
| 23:12.34 | somiaj | awal1: most enxteions can be installed in ones $HOME easy enough from within firefox and a debian package is not needed. |
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| 23:13.04 | somiaj | notadrop: you most likely won't want to share the /boot partition as the scripts from the different distros could interefer with each other. |
| 23:13.18 | notadrop | somiaj: okay, that makes sense. |
| 23:13.23 | somiaj | notadrop: unless you are doing encryption or using an exotic file system, you don't need a seperate /boot for debian. |
| 23:13.44 | awal1 | somiaj, yeah I new that; I just dont like (never) use third psrty stuff. but thanks for your attention :) |
| 23:13.59 | awal1 | I'll continue using xul-ext-flashblock |
| 23:14.10 | awal1 | I knew ^ |
| 23:14.21 | notadrop | oh okay. so after Debian is done installing, I'll have to go into Arch and re-gen the grub.cfg in order for grub to see Debian. right? |
| 23:14.38 | somiaj | awal1: extensions sometimes update faster than debian will. So to me I prefer to intsall them from fmozilla directly. |
| 23:14.57 | somiaj | notadrop: debian provides an os-prober package that will try to detect other oses and make them bootable |
| 23:15.09 | awal1 | somiaj, thats right. |
| 23:15.27 | notadrop | somiaj: right, I'm aware of os-prober, but when my machine boots, it'll load the grub.cfg file from Arch |
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| 23:15.35 | notadrop | somiaj: isn't that right? |
| 23:15.37 | somiaj | notadrop: you using efi or legacy? |
| 23:15.52 | notadrop | somiaj: neither actually, coreboot. more specifically, libreboot |
| 23:15.53 | somiaj | notadrop: no it will detect the arch kernels and add entries to them in the debian grub. |
| 23:15.57 | awal1 | but I like the changes debian DD's/maintainers make for the extensions, almost privacy/removing tracking stuff |
| 23:16.09 | somiaj | notadrop: you are using one or the other, I don't really care if it is librefirmware or not. |
| 23:16.22 | notadrop | oh right. |
| 23:16.24 | somiaj | notadrop: do you use an efi partition to boot or do you use the old system of writing grub to the mbr. |
| 23:16.25 | notadrop | EFI. |
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| 23:16.56 | somiaj | notadrop: in this case you can have a seperate .efi file for debian grub vs arch grub and just keep them independent (though you may have to configure it so they bon't call it grub64.efi) |
| 23:16.56 | notadrop | my /boot from Arch is the ESP |
| 23:17.06 | notadrop | okay |
| 23:17.11 | somiaj | notadrop: and then let your firmware choose which one to boot |
| 23:17.27 | notadrop | okay. I'll ask in #libreboot and see if I can get some more details. thanks, somiaj! |
| 23:17.34 | somiaj | notadrop: you can choose to have one distor manage the grub.efi file and put in the entries to boot the other distro (makes it so you have to reboot to update kernel changes to the other distro though) |
| 23:18.06 | somiaj | notadrop: you can also just ditch grub and use some simple efi manager and just use efi to boot. Have two seperate efi entries for each distro and each distro is only in charge of updating their .efi file |
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| 23:18.32 | somiaj | notadrop: hence you have lots of choices on how you configure a dual boot. I personally like efi because it gets rid of the need for grub. |
| 23:19.36 | notadrop | somiaj: this machine is a macbook from 2007, on which I replaced the firmware with libreboot, so it's a little different than most machines |
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| 23:28.11 | notadrop | hi, when I try to manually boot the Live image from the GRUB command line, pointing to the location of the kernel and the initrd isn't enough... any ideas what I may be missing from my linux and initrd commands? |
| 23:28.29 | notadrop | I just did linux location_of_kernel and initrd location_of_initrd |
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| 23:29.01 | notadrop | after I did "boot" I got some message about job control being turned off |
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| 23:36.24 | t4nk724 | so what is the terminal command to make a flash drive writable by anyone |
| 23:36.56 | t4nk724 | chown user (location of media) doesnt seem to work |
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| 23:37.35 | pingfloyd | t4nk724: what filesystem is on it? |
| 23:37.46 | t4nk724 | it doesnt seem to matter what i format it as |
| 23:37.55 | t4nk724 | ext3/4/fat 16/23 ntfs |
| 23:37.59 | t4nk724 | doesnt.fucking.matter |
| 23:38.04 | pingfloyd | it does matter |
| 23:38.30 | t4nk724 | what fs does it NEED to be then |
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| 23:38.55 | pingfloyd | FS determines what you need to do in regards to ownerships and modes |
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| 23:39.08 | t4nk724 | i will format it to whatever it needs to be so that i can fucking write data to it |
| 23:39.36 | t4nk724 | so allow me to rephrase my question: what FS does a flash drive need to be formatted to so that anyone can write to it |
| 23:39.37 | missmbob | t4nk724: first, really, calm down. what's it going to be used for? tv's? computers? |
| 23:39.47 | missmbob | t4nk724: which OS's? |
| 23:39.53 | t4nk724 | any |
| 23:40.02 | t4nk724 | most universal available |
| 23:40.04 | missmbob | t4nk724: i'd probably tell you exfat |
| 23:40.27 | t4nk724 | funny, when i format to exfat, i also am "not permitted to write to the disk" |
| 23:40.36 | missmbob | t4nk724: depends on how you mount it |
| 23:40.41 | pingfloyd | t4nk724: that's not the point |
| 23:40.53 | t4nk724 | then explain |
| 23:40.56 | pingfloyd | t4nk724: some filesystems you need to pass mount options |
| 23:40.58 | missmbob | t4nk724: if the user is a member of fuse and done properly you'll be good. |
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| 23:42.04 | missmbob | t4nk724: and you are aware that many flash drives have a read only setting, right? |
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| 23:44.13 | pingfloyd | t4nk724: see "FILE SYSTEM OPTIONS" section here https://manned.org/mount.exfat-fuse/a0101fc7 |
| 23:44.45 | pingfloyd | especially umask, dmask, fmask, uid, and gid |
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| 23:45.35 | pingfloyd | this is how linux handles filesystems that don't have the necessary metadata for unix permissions |
| 23:45.42 | plorph | im having trouble getting libdb4.8++-dev, how can I install it? |
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| 23:45.48 | t4nk724 | there was literally nothing on the drive |
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| 23:46.24 | pingfloyd | t4nk724: that's pretty irrelevant to your issue |
| 23:46.33 | t4nk724 | either way, i think the problem is that this it just garbage. security is one thing, not being able to support basic fucking hardware is something else. |
| 23:46.47 | pingfloyd | t4nk724: you can think that if you want |
| 23:47.02 | missmbob | plorph: there is no such thing. you mean libdb-dev |
| 23:47.10 | pingfloyd | that's a pretty childish outlook though |
| 23:47.31 | plorph | missmbob: apparently building bitcoin needs the older version |
| 23:47.46 | missmbob | t4nk724: it supports it fine. i have 8TB of exfat usb attached storage right now |
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| 23:49.52 | pingfloyd | plorph: have you tried building it with the version in debian? |
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| 23:52.22 | jmcnaught | t4nk724 should have tried mounting the USB stick with udisksctl as a regular user. i assume he was mounting it as root. |
| 23:52.39 | plorph | pingfloyd: yeah, gives error |
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| 23:52.45 | pingfloyd | plorph: what error? |
| 23:53.03 | pingfloyd | plorph: would be helpful if you could pastebin the compiler output |
| 23:54.30 | plorph | pingfloyd: looks like it specifies the repository to add to sources, wups. |
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