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| 00:00.35 | pingfloyd | I agree, got with imap if at all possible |
| 00:00.39 | pingfloyd | go* |
| 00:00.45 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: most mail providers offer IMAP, which keeps messages on the server and syncs them locally. Really helpful if you have multiple devices accessing the inbox, or for situations like this where you want to migrate |
| 00:01.16 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: with imap you can leave the mail up on the server |
| 00:02.37 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: then you just more or less synchronize with it through your mail clients on all of your computers/devices. |
| 00:02.59 | Lady_Aleena | Is Thunderbird on Debian called Thunderbird or is it still IceDove? |
| 00:03.18 | ranix | Lady_Aleena: apt-cache search |
| 00:03.45 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: icedove |
| 00:03.48 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: mine is using icedove |
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| 00:03.57 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: I'm on jessie |
| 00:04.23 | Lady_Aleena | pingfloyd, poor Jessie. |
| 00:04.39 | pingfloyd | I wonder if debian is going to go back to thunderbird branding like they did with firefox |
| 00:04.43 | Lady_Aleena | is thinking of the doll from Toy Story. |
| 00:05.15 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: are you on jessie? |
| 00:05.25 | Lady_Aleena | pingfloyd, yes. |
| 00:05.56 | somiaj | ,v icedove |
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| 00:05.57 | judd | Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.2.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:45.2.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.2.0-2~deb7u1; stretch: 1:45.2.0-4+b1; sid: 1:45.3.0-1 |
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| 00:06.18 | somiaj | pingfloyd: does mozilla even develope thunderbird anymore? I thought it was mostly just minimially matained by volunteers. |
| 00:06.25 | Lady_Aleena | installing |
| 00:06.29 | pingfloyd | somiaj: that sounds right |
| 00:06.45 | pingfloyd | somiaj: but don't let that fool you into thinking that thunderbird is anywhere close to dead |
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| 00:07.04 | pingfloyd | somiaj: it's more of an organizational change |
| 00:07.32 | somiaj | pingfloyd: Yea I am not thinking it is dead, it just may not have much reason to make changes with it at the time. |
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| 00:08.02 | pingfloyd | I don't remember all of the details, but it essentially was like it will still be supported as good as ever in the wash. |
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| 00:12.29 | pingfloyd | I think the main difference was that thunderbird was being decoupled from firefox's rapid release cycles and sticking more to the ESR cycle which actually makes much more sense with it. |
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| 00:15.38 | Lady_Aleena | So to do anything in icedove regarding email, I have to set up the email accounts first? |
| 00:15.45 | Lady_Aleena | (I have five email accounts.) |
| 00:16.10 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: It probabaly requires you set up one. You can add the others after. |
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| 00:23.10 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, I just set up one (as IMAP) and got into reading the mail. I'm going to try the addon suggested. |
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| 00:38.15 | kruug | Not sure if this is more Linux in general or Debian, but I have a USB HDD that doesn't show up in Debian's auto-discover when plugged in, and when booted with it plugged in, it's hanging right after lvm password is entered and kvm is disabled by BIOS. Shows up in lsusb but not lsblk. What steps can I take to recover data? |
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| 00:43.05 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, it looks like I'll need to convert my kmail files to mbox format first. |
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| 00:44.28 | rssnow1 | ls |
| 00:46.26 | Lady_Aleena | I need to make dinner. I have a hunger headache I think. |
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| 00:53.18 | pingfloyd | kruug: the usb hdd has LVs on it? |
| 00:53.53 | kruug | I believe so? Wife's coworker backed up his Mac to it, but now can't access it after reloading his Mac. |
| 00:54.25 | kruug | So, being the IT guy, I was volunteered to fix it (don't work for the same company, just good with computers) |
| 00:54.31 | pingfloyd | kruug: after plugging it in, did you try running vgscan and vgchange? |
| 00:55.24 | kruug | running vgscan now |
| 00:55.41 | pingfloyd | possibly you might need to edit your /etc/lvm/lvm.conf too |
| 00:57.41 | kruug | what changes would have to be made? |
| 00:57.52 | pingfloyd | I wouldn't worry about that yet |
| 00:58.08 | pingfloyd | try vgscan and vgchange -ay first |
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| 00:59.28 | pingfloyd | then see if the LVs and VG show up with vgdisplay, lvdisplay, and lvs. If they do, you they should then show up on lsblk and you should be able to mount where you want. |
| 00:59.37 | kruug | vgscan found volume group "balthasar-vg" using metadata type lvm2 (that's my laptop's name) |
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| 01:02.20 | jmcnaught | kruug: "lvs" will tell you the LVs on that VG |
| 01:02.42 | kruug | home, root, swap_1 |
| 01:03.01 | jmcnaught | so that's not the external, i don't know why a disk used by a Mac would have LVM on it anyways |
| 01:04.21 | kruug | Oh, no. My laptop has LVM on it |
| 01:04.32 | kruug | encrypted LVM |
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| 01:05.30 | kruug | I'm just trying to get the external drive to mount. |
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| 01:06.11 | pingfloyd | kruug: then lvm isn't even relevant |
| 01:06.42 | kruug | pingfloyd: I just mentioned it because that's where the boot process hangs. |
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| 01:06.50 | kruug | It's a reference point. |
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| 01:07.26 | pingfloyd | you need to find out how the data on that external hd is formatted |
| 01:07.33 | jmcnaught | kruug: does the drive mount on a different computer? if not, i'd try and take the drive out of the USB enclosure and attach it to the computer some other way |
| 01:08.01 | pingfloyd | if it was setup by a mac, who knows |
| 01:08.34 | kruug | jmcnaught: I plugged it into a Windows machine before the Linux one, no go there. |
| 01:08.49 | pingfloyd | you said it was a backup, do you know what tool he used to back it up to that drive? |
| 01:08.52 | kruug | My thought was removing the enclosure as well, but seeing as it's not my device, I didn't want to start there |
| 01:09.02 | jmcnaught | if it halts booting when plugged in, and doesn't show in lsblk i wouldn't trust the USB to SATA part of the drive enclosure anymore |
| 01:09.17 | kruug | pingfloyd: No, I would assume TimeMachine, but no idea. |
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| 01:14.38 | pingfloyd | at this point probably should start from the beginning. run dmesg -w in a terminal and then plug it in |
| 01:14.55 | pingfloyd | see what messages show in that terminal. |
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| 01:15.23 | kruug | Wrong diagnostic page; asked for 1 got 0 |
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| 01:15.39 | kruug | Failed to get diagnostic page 0xffffffea |
| 01:15.48 | kruug | Failed to bind enclosure -19 |
| 01:15.57 | pingfloyd | pastebin it |
| 01:17.07 | kruug | https://paste.debian.net/846221/ |
| 01:17.49 | kruug | and it just keeps repeating `reset high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci-pci` |
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| 01:20.20 | kruug | Oh, more paste! |
| 01:20.41 | kruug | https://paste.debian.net/846222/ |
| 01:20.58 | kruug | pingfloyd: not sure if you saw :) |
| 01:24.36 | pingfloyd | kruug: are you plugging in through a usb hub? |
| 01:25.21 | kruug | Directly into the port on the laptop. |
| 01:25.27 | kruug | So, built in hub? |
| 01:25.52 | pingfloyd | kruug: and it was also having troubles when you tried plugging it into a difference system? |
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| 01:26.14 | kruug | Different laptop with Windows 10 installed. |
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| 01:26.22 | pingfloyd | what happened when you tried with that one? |
| 01:26.31 | kruug | It installed the driver, but the device was not assigned a drive letter. |
| 01:26.42 | pingfloyd | did it show up on disk manager? |
| 01:26.49 | kruug | Let me check, just thought of that. |
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| 01:28.13 | kruug | pingfloyd: No entry in Disk Manager, no entry in Device Manager -> Disk drives |
| 01:28.29 | pingfloyd | do you have another usb cable you can swap as a test? |
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| 01:29.09 | kruug | I'll have to check. It's one of those mini-usb with power things from Western Digital. |
| 01:29.23 | pingfloyd | yeah, they can vary |
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| 01:29.59 | pingfloyd | this is more troubleshooting and ruling out possible causes. |
| 01:30.44 | kruug | yeah, none at home here...in the office, sure, but not home |
| 01:31.09 | kruug | without tearing the device apart, this might have to wait until Monday when I can test a different cable. |
| 01:31.23 | pingfloyd | kruug: that's okay. Can you disassemble the enclosure and plug directly to sata (or whatever its internal interface is). |
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| 01:31.50 | kruug | I'll have to check if it's screwed together or pressed. |
| 01:32.04 | pingfloyd | at this point it could be the cable, the enclosure, and/or the drive. These experiments may help pinpoint more what the problem is. |
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| 01:32.42 | pingfloyd | it's hard to conclude how windows handled it |
| 01:33.20 | pingfloyd | but usually it should at least show up in disk manager, I just don't trust disk manager not to be stupid. |
| 01:34.08 | pingfloyd | since it is so non-transparent, it's hard to conclude much with it |
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| 01:35.18 | kruug | yeah, it's pressed :/ all my spudgers are at work with the spare cables |
| 01:35.30 | pingfloyd | one thing you can try in windows is see if diskpart sees it at all. But be careful with diskpart, it likes to make changes instantly. |
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| 01:36.53 | pingfloyd | kruug: here's the help for it https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc766465(v=ws.10).aspx |
| 01:37.06 | pingfloyd | you might looking at it with all of the list options |
| 01:37.55 | pingfloyd | it's likely an issue with the enclosure, but I wouldn't conclude with that quite yet. |
| 01:38.07 | kruug | yeah, running diskpart -> list disk in an elevated CMD only shows the internal disk |
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| 01:39.01 | pingfloyd | situations like these is where it's nice to have a spare enclosuer |
| 01:39.31 | pingfloyd | like a known good working one to test with |
| 01:39.47 | kruug | yeah, I have external SATA to USB, but not an actual enclosure |
| 01:40.01 | kruug | one of those portable recovery packs |
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| 01:40.32 | kruug | This kit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812232002 |
| 01:41.52 | pingfloyd | that would be worth trying |
| 01:42.21 | kruug | waiting on permission to tear the enclosure apart. |
| 01:42.55 | pingfloyd | that looks even more versatile |
| 01:44.33 | pingfloyd | that thing looks rather handy for troubleshooting these kinds of problems |
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| 01:48.23 | pingfloyd | kruug: if you end up using that recovery pack, I'd first establish that it works with the host you're going to test the faulty drive with. |
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| 01:49.12 | pingfloyd | kruug: like try it first with a known working drive on your host system to establish a working baseline |
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| 01:52.20 | kruug | yeah, it's been a life saver. Bought it for $25-ish about 10 years ago, used it 4 or 5 times (mainly early on) but it's saved so many important files that I should look for a USB 3 version... |
| 01:52.55 | kruug | faster data transfer would help, but not sure if I'd want that on some drives...the one's with the click of death are usually recommended to go slow. |
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| 02:00.28 | pingfloyd | also once you are able to get to the point of getting the drive to connect, it would probably be worth checking its smart info |
| 02:00.49 | kruug | Ah, very true. |
| 02:01.01 | pingfloyd | that will at least give you some idea what kind of health it is in |
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| 02:21.10 | tom99 | how does one check hard drive S.M.A.R.T. info in debian linux? |
| 02:21.34 | ryouma | smartctl |
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| 02:26.17 | awal1 | gsmartcontrol (gui), tom99 |
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| 02:28.43 | tom99 | it took me a disturbingly long time to realize you were answering my question ryouma |
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| 02:29.02 | tom99 | when I do apt-cache search smartctl does it search the file provided or only the description? |
| 02:29.03 | duff | Is vi the same as vim? |
| 02:29.15 | tom99 | i noticed it displayed package smartmontools which provides smartctl |
| 02:30.59 | tom99 | duff: no. i learned that the hard way |
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| 02:36.21 | ryouma | tom99: you want apt-file search i think (somebody will correct me) |
| 02:36.35 | ryouma | oh good it worked |
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| 02:39.19 | pingfloyd | apt-file is correct |
| 02:39.36 | pingfloyd | if you have the package already installed, you can find the file with dpkg -S |
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| 02:58.10 | random_numbers | Hey, I'm having a problem with my $PATH. In my .profile I added a check for if a dotfile directory exists and if it does (I checked with bash, it works), then to add it to path. It doesn't work. |
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| 02:58.26 | random_numbers | PATH="$HOME/.local/bin:$PATH" |
| 03:01.16 | TomTomTo1 | can you give us the whole thing? |
| 03:02.03 | random_numbers | Hm, yeah, pasting it... |
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| 03:02.13 | random_numbers | ought to make a script to paste clipboard. |
| 03:02.26 | somiaj | random_numbers: man bash, note that .profile is only read for certain shells. there is also .bashrc |
| 03:02.42 | somiaj | !pastebinit |
| 03:02.42 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 03:02.56 | random_numbers | I'm intent on having it be loaded for both X and bash. |
| 03:03.06 | somiaj | random_numbers: well it is the type of shell you use, man bash for detail. |
| 03:04.00 | somiaj | random_numbers: in my .bash_profile or .profile I just put [ -f ~/.bashrc ] && . ~/.bashrc, that way I get the same thing in both cases. |
| 03:04.07 | random_numbers | http://pastebin.com/FgTmCvTR |
| 03:04.37 | random_numbers | Don't I run the risk of having the thing appear twice in my $PATH? |
| 03:04.46 | random_numbers | Though I don't think that would actually do anything... |
| 03:05.24 | somiaj | random_numbers: you should probabaly put those path variables in .bashrc over .profile. It won't be read on non-login shells |
| 03:05.49 | random_numbers | I see. I never actually tested it with the basic TTYs. |
| 03:06.05 | somiaj | random_numbers: since you are reading your .bashrc from that .profile, .bashrc is where you put stuff that you want read for both non-login and login(1) shells. |
| 03:06.15 | tom99 | !pastebinit |
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| 03:06.28 | somiaj | random_numbers: .profile is only stuff for login(1) shells, but xterms aren't login shells for instance. |
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| 03:07.48 | random_numbers | Alright. What do you suggest for X environment path adding? |
| 03:08.23 | somiaj | random_numbers: as I said, .bashrc for stuff you want to affect both login and interactive shells. |
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| 03:09.12 | random_numbers | Hm, so stuff like graphical programs that call subprograms in the background would be affected? |
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| 03:12.01 | tom99 | bash doesn't read .profile if you have a .bashrc, so it .profile only for non bash shells? |
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| 03:12.53 | random_numbers | It's a good thing to know, I guess. |
| 03:13.00 | somiaj | tom99: no. man bash. if bash reads .bashrc or .profile is dependent on the type of shell that is invoked. |
| 03:13.00 | TomTomTo1 | no, bash reads ~/.profile |
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| 03:13.48 | somiaj | tom99: page down to the INVOCATION section |
| 03:13.58 | random_numbers | Only if you use it as a login shell is what these folks are telling me. The part about it working if using .bashrc for non-login is spot on though, so thanks. |
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| 03:19.13 | TomTomTo1 | also [[ is a bash builtin and and ~/.profile is not only read by bash. |
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| 03:34.08 | tom99 | so bash doesn't read .profile if it's an interactive non-login shell? |
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| 03:40.57 | Lady_Aleena | Hello again. Do you think IceDove will care where the Local Folders directory is? Its current location is in a not user friendly directory "/home/me/.icedove/fhrb6mwp.default/Mail/Local Folders" |
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| 03:45.47 | Lady_Aleena | Also, I am about to use a suggestion on http://www.ulduzsoft.com/2012/01/from-kmail-to-thunderbird/, but I'd like to show someone my command before I run it. |
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| 03:54.41 | pingfloyd | tom99: you don't have to remember, that's why they make man pages |
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| 03:58.04 | Lady_Aleena | pingfloyd, you suggested http://www.ulduzsoft.com/2012/01/from-kmail-to-thunderbird/. I'm preparing to use what it suggests, though the command on the page looks weird, specifically the backslash on the first line of the python command. Does that get taken out? |
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| 03:59.23 | tom99 | pingfloyd, I read the man page without any more solid idea of login shells vs interactive vs bash shells than before. |
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| 04:00.09 | TomTomTo1 | Lady_Aleena: backslash lets you continue a command in the next line in bash. |
| 04:00.53 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: I'd back your mail files up first though as a precaution |
| 04:01.14 | Lady_Aleena | pingfloyd, they are on my old hard drive and a usb drive. |
| 04:01.18 | Lady_Aleena | pingfloyd, good enough? |
| 04:01.19 | pingfloyd | tom99: login shell is usually what you see at the VC where you login |
| 04:01.48 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTo1, so if I an running it all on one line, take it out, correct? |
| 04:01.48 | jmcnaught | some terminal emulators have the option to run a login shell |
| 04:01.52 | pingfloyd | tom99: interactive any time you start a new bash session, e.g., start up a terminal or type bash in the current shell session |
| 04:02.00 | TomTomTo1 | Lady_Aleena: yes |
| 04:02.28 | Lady_Aleena | Tissues ready if this doesn't work? |
| 04:03.06 | Lady_Aleena | Oh, the '' at the end of the command, leave those in, correct? |
| 04:03.16 | pingfloyd | tom99: many things can be applied in /etc/profile and .profile because it's usually the most parent shell, for variables that aren't environment variables, you usually will want to export them though if you want child shell session to inherit them |
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| 04:04.10 | Lady_Aleena | Ready the tissues! |
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| 04:07.45 | Lady_Aleena | It was going then failed! http://paste.debian.net/846655/ |
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| 04:33.27 | pingfloyd | looks like the script is doubling up on 'cur' |
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| 04:33.34 | pingfloyd | in its parsing |
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| 04:37.02 | Lady_Aleena | pingfloyd, it did. |
| 04:37.32 | Lady_Aleena | And it missed the inbox completely. |
| 04:37.43 | Lady_Aleena | And it dropped several messages. |
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| 04:52.57 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: this looks like a much easier solution https://www.lourdas.eu/blog/migrating-kmail-thunderbird |
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| 04:54.05 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: he sets up kmail to use mbox and then copies the files over to the thunderbird profile. He then has to rename the .<name>.directory directories to <name>.sdb |
| 04:56.11 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: see this also http://www.mombu.com/gnu_linux/ubuntu/t-migrate-from-kmail-to-thunderbird-solved-thanks-4248598.html |
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| 04:56.39 | Lady_Aleena | pingfloyd, the 2nd leads to a dead page. |
| 04:56.52 | Lady_Aleena | Now it doesn't. |
| 04:57.00 | Hunterkll | pingfloyd, when's your next album coming out? |
| 04:57.10 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: so it looks it comes down to migrating kmail in Maildir format is a nightmare, but migrating kmail in mbox format is easier. |
| 04:58.07 | pingfloyd | also, apparently kmail use Maildir by default, but does support mbox if you set it to |
| 04:58.31 | Lady_Aleena | pingfloyd, it looks like I would have to be able to see the email in KMail to do the second. |
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| 05:00.25 | Lady_Aleena | And I have sub-directories. |
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| 05:08.42 | Lady_Aleena | I wonder if I could purge KMail and then reinstall it to see if it will fix itself so I can try again to make it show my mail so I can save it in mbox format. |
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| 05:09.16 | Lady_Aleena | I was following directions on a page, and things kept getting worse. So, if I could purge it and reinstall it, it may work better. |
| 05:09.55 | Lady_Aleena | Or maybe update it to a newer version (because the current Debian version is so out of date, KDE people won't touch it). |
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| 05:13.46 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, what bot tells me about packages. dpkg didn't. |
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| 05:15.16 | TomTomTo1 | what about packages? |
| 05:15.21 | TomTomTo1 | ,v kmail |
| 05:15.22 | judd | Package: kmail on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.4.11.1+l10n-3+b1; jessie: 4:4.14.1-1; sid: 4:16.04.3-1; stretch: 4:16.04.3-1 |
| 05:15.25 | TomTomTo1 | this? |
| 05:15.46 | Lady_Aleena | Well forget that, I can't apt-get purge kmail because it will take kde-standard and task-kde-desktop with it. |
| 05:16.01 | TomTomTo1 | a different version of kmail will not help you to convert your emails. |
| 05:17.13 | Lady_Aleena | kmail was not installed by itself, it was installed within a bigger package I am guessing. |
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| 05:18.07 | TomTomTo1 | kde-standard and task-kde-desktop are only meta-packages. if it's only those two you can safely remove it. |
| 05:18.21 | Lady_Aleena | I had this problem when I purged kate and kwrite once upon a time. They took everything around them with them. |
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| 05:19.54 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTo1, the reason I want to reinstall is that I copied somethings over, and Kmail got worse. |
| 05:20.04 | Lady_Aleena | s/somethings/some things/; |
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| 05:22.33 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTo1, so meta-packages are just junk anyway? |
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| 05:23.01 | TomTomTo1 | they bundle packages to make it easy to install them. |
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| 05:23.26 | Lady_Aleena | paste.debian.net/846778/ |
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| 05:25.24 | Lady_Aleena | BTW, the debian paste site is getting spammed. |
| 05:25.52 | TomTomTo1 | that happens sometimes |
| 05:27.28 | Lady_Aleena | So, do you think my thinking is good, purge and reinstall to if it gets fixed? |
| 05:27.42 | Lady_Aleena | s/to if/to see if/; |
| 05:28.04 | TomTomTo1 | don't know what your problem is in the first place. either way, back up your emails first. |
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| 05:33.16 | Lady_Aleena | Is there an image pastebin? |
| 05:33.34 | Lady_Aleena | I don't have filezilla set up yet so can't upload to my remote host. |
| 05:34.23 | TomTomTo1 | imgur.com for example |
| 05:34.56 | TomTomTo1 | brb, have to hunt my breakfast |
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| 05:35.39 | Lady_Aleena | Here is a screenshot: http://imgur.com/a/ldGCU |
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| 05:42.54 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 05:43.38 | tx | hi one |
| 05:44.07 | darxmurf | ready to play with ldap samba and kerberos ? \o/ |
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| 05:46.45 | ransur0t | yummy |
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| 05:47.01 | tom99 | that sounds incredibly tedius darxmurf |
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| 05:47.42 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: when you remove a package that is a dependency of a meta-package it will want to remove the meta-package and any more dependencies of it that are marked as automatically installed. The fix is the mark whatever you want to keep as manually installed. |
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| 05:47.57 | darxmurf | super exciting |
| 05:48.45 | darxmurf | How to add a simple ldap filter in my smb+ldap+kerberos conf to check if the user account got something like ThisValue=1 ? |
| 05:49.21 | darxmurf | something like: nss_base_group ou=groups,dc=company,dc=net?sub?ThisValue=1 ? |
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| 05:49.55 | Lady_Aleena | pingfloyd, can I reinstall over top of the current install? |
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| 05:51.09 | Lady_Aleena | Maybe something like (but not) sudo apt-get fix kmail |
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| 05:51.21 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: what you could do instead though in this situation, is try: apt-get -o DPkg::options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install kmail |
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| 05:51.44 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: that should reinstall and set the configuration back to default |
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| 05:52.15 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: reinstalling kmail will not have any effect at all on your user's kmail profile |
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| 05:53.07 | jmcnaught | darxmurf: why are you trying to check a field's value instead of group membership? |
| 05:53.09 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, yep. It did work. |
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| 05:54.03 | jmcnaught | oh really? |
| 05:54.47 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, ACK! did NOT work. |
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| 05:56.02 | jmcnaught | packages don't touch user home directories, which is where each user's settings and data are kept |
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| 05:57.58 | pingfloyd | for user's configuration, you can probably just move or rename the appropriate dotfile or dotdirectory for it |
| 05:58.16 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I don't remember everything I did. |
| 05:58.34 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: ~/.kmail maybe? |
| 05:58.52 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: neither do I :P |
| 05:59.09 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: I don't use kmail though, so I'm not sure how it places its dotfiles/dotdirs |
| 05:59.40 | Lady_Aleena | pingfloyd, I was following directions here: https://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips#Migration and they did not work. |
| 06:00.02 | Lady_Aleena | I overwrote what was already in those places. |
| 06:00.25 | Lady_Aleena | So, without the original configs, I will never get all of my stored email back. |
| 06:00.27 | mrrhq | I wonder if you're using KMail because Thunderbird is not getting as much support anymore. |
| 06:00.33 | mrrhq | I feel bad for all those TB users. |
| 06:01.27 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: what version of kmail are you using? |
| 06:01.42 | Lady_Aleena | mrrhq, I want to use Thunderbird, but the conversion program I used to convert my maildir email to thunderbird missed a LOT. |
| 06:01.49 | Lady_Aleena | 4.14.1 |
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| 06:02.20 | Lady_Aleena | mrrhq, my whole Inbox was skipped, and I have over a decade of email there. |
| 06:02.42 | mrrhq | Lady_Aleena: I use ProtonMail, so I don't even use an IMAP or POP client, I just use either the Webmail or Android client. |
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| 06:02.57 | mrrhq | Such is life without IMAP. |
| 06:03.21 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: so it looks like it is intermingled with the rest of kde config under ~/.kde/share/config/ So you could try to renaming the files it lists there and starting it up |
| 06:03.42 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: then maybe it will start fresh |
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| 06:06.27 | pingfloyd | kmail seems like a big pita |
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| 06:07.21 | Lady_Aleena | pingfloyd, it is. It doesn't help that the Debian version is over 4 years old. |
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| 06:08.40 | Lady_Aleena | If Debian would keep KDE programs more up to date, it may not be as bad. |
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| 06:09.30 | mrrhq | The tradeoff is security and stability vs newer and unstable. |
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| 06:09.54 | mrrhq | You can use Backports for KDE maybe. |
| 06:10.28 | Lady_Aleena | I am looking at starting all over. Putting the install CD in the drive, and reinstalling by the scorched earth method. |
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| 06:10.54 | Lady_Aleena | It appears the doc I read was too old. |
| 06:11.32 | Lady_Aleena | Scorched earth will wipe all my screw ups. |
| 06:11.43 | Lady_Aleena | But I will have to do the bills first. |
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| 06:13.22 | darxmurf | jmcnaught: we have a huge ldap here with tousands of entries and we have sometime more than one entry per user and I need to filter my request with one field |
| 06:13.31 | darxmurf | which is like "PrimaryAccount=1" |
| 06:15.29 | jmcnaught | darxmurf: you can't put the accounts that should have access into a group, and then filter by that group? |
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| 06:15.43 | darxmurf | nop |
| 06:16.41 | darxmurf | should I use SSSD to add a filtering layer on this auth process ? |
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| 06:18.31 | Lady_Aleena | BTW, I've bitten one nail down to the quick because of the lack of consistency between email clients email storage. |
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| 06:21.07 | Lady_Aleena | And I still haven't found a way to tell Apache to add my local perl libs to @INC |
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| 06:23.36 | jmcnaught | darxmurf: maybe ask in #ldap |
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| 06:24.18 | darxmurf | huh I'll try |
| 06:24.21 | darxmurf | #ldap |
| 06:24.35 | darxmurf | -.- |
| 06:25.09 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: https://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/config/config.html#Adjusting_C__INC_ |
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| 06:29.38 | Lady_Aleena | So put PerlSwitches -I/home/me/perl5 in any of the .conf files? |
| 06:30.51 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: the Debian way of configuring Apache is to have everything to do with one site in a single .conf in /etc/apache2/sites-available, and enable it with a2ensite |
| 06:31.38 | jmcnaught | that way you can leave all the other files alone so that dpkg won't prompt you about newer versions of the file (do you want to keep your version?). |
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| 06:33.14 | Lady_Aleena | How do I restart apache? |
| 06:33.28 | jmcnaught | systemctl restart apache2 |
| 06:33.51 | jmcnaught | for most configuration changes you can reload instead of restarting apache |
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| 06:35.45 | Lady_Aleena | I added PerlSwitches -I/home/me/perl5 to apache2.conf and Apache still did not read my local libs. |
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| 06:41.58 | Lady_Aleena | How bad is it to give up doing something right to get something working? |
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| 06:42.47 | saboru | never give up :) |
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| 06:43.04 | nkuttler | making things work sounds "right" to me. you can still optimize later |
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| 06:43.32 | Lady_Aleena | saboru, well, until Apache and Bash start talking to each other so my local libs work, I will have to install modules into root's libs instead of my local libs. |
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| 06:44.18 | Lady_Aleena | My local libs only work in the terminal emulator, they do not work in the browser. |
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| 06:46.56 | gnunicorn | hi guys, Id like to use jessie for prod but need a recent version of php etc, what would be the most sane way? |
| 06:47.08 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: put them in /usr/local |
| 06:47.14 | man_in_shack | huh |
| 06:47.38 | Lady_Aleena | Put my local libs in /usr/local? |
| 06:48.12 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: if you're going to install these perl libraries system-wide, but not using apt, then they belong in /usr/local |
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| 06:48.58 | jmcnaught | gnunicorn: the version in jessie isn't that old and gets security updates, is that not enough? |
| 06:49.17 | man_in_shack | is it normal for there to be a user "irc" in /etc/passwd even if no ircd is installed? |
| 06:49.22 | TomTomTo1 | Lady_Aleena: are you still trying to get your perl script from the other day to work? |
| 06:49.58 | TomTomTo1 | Lady_Aleena: because i have no idea what you are trying to say with "install modules into root's libs instead of my local libs" |
| 06:49.59 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I just wish I knew how companies like Xecu.net do it. I know on Xecu.net I can load modules to a local lib somewhere, and it will only work on my site. |
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| 06:50.23 | Lady_Aleena | Instead of cpan Module::Name it would be sudo cpan Module::Name |
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| 06:51.15 | TomTomTo1 | oh, perl modules not the apache kind. |
| 06:51.32 | Lady_Aleena | Yes TomTomTo1. |
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| 06:52.45 | Lady_Aleena | I installed the perl module Lingua::EN::Inflect into my local lib (/home/me/perl5), but when I run my site in the browser, I'm told Lingua::EN::Inflect is not available and I should install it. |
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| 06:53.42 | Lady_Aleena | And since my .bashrc file and my apache configs are not talking to each other, apache doesn't know to look for perl modules in /home/me/perl5. |
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| 06:54.12 | vahe | hi all, how can i extract .exe files? |
| 06:55.08 | mrrhq | vahe: Depends what kind of .exe it is. Is it a Windows installer file? Then maybe. |
| 06:55.32 | mrrhq | In that case 7-Zip might be able to open it, sometimes. |
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| 06:56.56 | vahe | mrrhq: thanks,i try |
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| 06:59.16 | gnunicorn | jmcnaught: php7 would be nice :) |
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| 07:00.38 | jmcnaught | gnunicorn: if it's would be nice and not a hard requirement, you're much better off using the packages provided by Debian |
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| 07:01.27 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: apache doesn't care about bash at all. If you make a paste of your apache2.conf people might be able to help you |
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| 07:04.58 | nkuttler | wth. in the installer, how do i delete a partition used as device for encryption? |
| 07:05.21 | vahe | mrrhq: 7za e <archive name> ? |
| 07:07.56 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, is there an easy way to paste that file? |
| 07:08.16 | mrrhq | vahe: I would use p7zip-full instead of 7za |
| 07:08.28 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Lady_Aleena about pastebinit |
| 07:08.35 | mrrhq | vahe: But yeah, that should work. |
| 07:09.05 | vahe | mrrhq: but not work 7za, i try p7zip-full |
| 07:09.09 | mrrhq | 7z l myfile.exe |
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| 07:09.50 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, you just saved my wrist! http://paste.debian.net/847024/ |
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| 07:10.38 | vahe | mrrhq: https://bpaste.net/show/7b818de4336b |
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| 07:12.31 | no_gravity | Good Morning! How do I kill an inbound ssh connection on the server? |
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| 07:13.16 | petemc | no_gravity: kill the shell |
| 07:13.19 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: PerlSwitches is for apache's mod_perl, but it looks like you're trying to use CGI |
| 07:13.20 | petemc | assuming it has one |
| 07:13.24 | Mathisen | no_gravity, ps -aux | grep ssh |
| 07:13.35 | vahe | mrrhq: i want to upgrade the camera firmware )) |
| 07:13.45 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I am using perl scripts. |
| 07:14.16 | no_gravity | petemc: petemc How do I find the right one? |
| 07:14.44 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, my remote site is http://fantasy.xecu.net/index.pl |
| 07:15.06 | mrrhq | vahe: If you want the bin file, just do 7z x myfile.exe |
| 07:15.11 | no_gravity | Mathisen: Hmm.. how do I figure out the right process in the output? |
| 07:15.16 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: sure, and apache has multiple ways of executing them. CGI is an old fashioned way, but if it works for you then use it. mod_perl is another way. |
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| 07:16.23 | gnunicorn | no_gravity: pgrep or ps |
| 07:16.43 | no_gravity | gnunicorn: But then how to figure out which one is the right process... |
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| 07:16.50 | vahe | mrrhq: https://bpaste.net/show/dd9753987a59 |
| 07:16.54 | vahe | :( |
| 07:16.57 | gnunicorn | hm try this ps ax| grep ssh |
| 07:16.58 | Mathisen | no_gravity, well if you got many add the -u for user ... example > -u root |
| 07:17.04 | gnunicorn | or aux |
| 07:17.06 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, however, I have modules in /home/me/perl5 which apache is not seeing and I don't want to have to alter 400+ scripts to get /home/me/perl5 to work, because when I upload them from my computer to my remote host, /home/me/perl5 does not exist, so I would have to edit that line out before or after upload so the script doesn't break. |
| 07:17.09 | Mathisen | if you know what users that is connection that is |
| 07:17.12 | no_gravity | Maybe "netstat -tanp" and then kill the process of the connection? |
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| 07:17.50 | petemc | no_gravity: pstree -up |
| 07:18.09 | no_gravity | netstat -tanp points me to an sshd process. I will try to kill it... |
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| 07:18.46 | no_gravity | petemc: Ah, that is nice too! |
| 07:19.22 | gnunicorn | no_gravity: lsof -i :22 could work also |
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| 07:19.59 | no_gravity | Lots of solutions :) Thanks everybody! |
| 07:20.57 | mrrhq | vahe: Dang, that sucks. I'm not sure what to do in that case. Strange how it can read the filenames but not extract the files... |
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| 07:23.16 | mrrhq | vahe: I would install Wine, run the exe with Wine to extract it. Or if you have a spare Windows machine, extract it with that. :p |
| 07:23.34 | vahe | ))) |
| 07:23.46 | vahe | mrrhq: If I'll give you these files you can just unzip and send? pls :) |
| 07:24.36 | vahe | 1.download.nikonimglib.com/archive2/doQbp000X0RY02tFgD5570Vcoo02/F-DCDATA-2015W.exe |
| 07:24.36 | vahe | 2.download.nikonimglib.com/archive2/wdE6i00qui4k02GeDki59XhdE482/F-D5000-V101W.exe |
| 07:24.39 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: i don't know perl very well, but if it has a variable similar to what $PATH does for bash, you could try passing it to CGI scripts with SetEnv from mod_env |
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| 07:24.49 | mrrhq | Not unless you trust me more than yourself. |
| 07:25.16 | mrrhq | Lol. |
| 07:25.38 | vahe | mrrhq: lol |
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| 07:26.11 | vahe | mrrhq: This is just to update))) |
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| 07:27.31 | vahe | mrrhq: I'm sure you're a good man) :P |
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| 07:28.23 | vahe | then all my sda disks encoded))) |
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| 07:29.06 | tx | who needs encryption |
| 07:29.09 | tx | when you have encoding! |
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| 07:29.51 | pragomer_1 | I installed java that way: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html |
| 07:29.59 | pragomer_1 | but when I do java --version I get the error: |
| 07:30.06 | pragomer_1 | Could not create the Java Virtual Machine. |
| 07:30.18 | vahe | mrrhq: you can help? |
| 07:30.24 | vahe | or no)) |
| 07:30.34 | pragomer_1 | Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit. |
| 07:30.38 | pragomer_1 | what could be wrong here? |
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| 07:31.26 | pragomer_1 | oh it was just -version instead of --version |
| 07:31.27 | pragomer_1 | omg |
| 07:32.03 | ranix | tripped and died |
| 07:32.03 | TomTomTo1 | pragomer_1: using ubuntu repositories in debian can break your system. this was not a good idea. |
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| 07:32.20 | jmcnaught | pragomer_1: jessie comes with openjdk-8 |
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| 07:32.33 | TomTomTo1 | pragomer_1: openjdk-8 can be found in jessie-backports |
| 07:32.34 | mrrhq | vahe: I wish I could, but it would be awkward.. and go against my beliefs of FOSS, and running exe files on my personal maching I don't trust... So I try to refrain from that. You can install Wine and do it yourself. |
| 07:33.18 | jmcnaught | oh right, it's in backports |
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| 07:34.36 | Lady_Aleena | I may be very very very close on getting my apache/perl/browser issue fixed. |
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| 07:34.57 | ranix | vahe: declare defeat and procure a windows computer to use for this task then dump it |
| 07:35.17 | vahe | mrrhq: not thinking that the exe can do something with your machine, but I respect your beliefs |
| 07:36.27 | mrrhq | Sorry... Not too surprising that a lot of debian users are very FOSS friendly and advocative though. |
| 07:36.36 | vahe | thanks mrrhq |
| 07:36.37 | Lady_Aleena | What is the permission -rw-r--r--, isn't that 644? |
| 07:36.41 | mrrhq | Maybe get a FOSS camera. ;) |
| 07:36.46 | vahe | ;) |
| 07:36.52 | mrrhq | Although the D5000 is a really good camera. |
| 07:36.57 | mrrhq | So nice choice. |
| 07:37.06 | ranix | there are firmware hacks for that one |
| 07:37.10 | ranix | fuck it up son |
| 07:37.16 | mrrhq | Ew. |
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| 07:37.42 | ranix | you'll never need windows again |
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| 07:38.04 | ranix | aw he left |
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| 07:38.31 | Lady_Aleena | I thought I didn't have to chmod everything in a directory to 755 to get things to run in the browser. |
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| 07:38.59 | mrrhq | I wish my smartphone had a DSLR camera. |
| 07:39.04 | mrrhq | Why is this not a thing, yet? |
| 07:39.22 | ranix | if he hung around for 5 more minutes we woulda gave him a youtube video on how to hack it with an sd card lol |
| 07:39.27 | ranix | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyTvxgw4qaA |
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| 07:39.40 | ranix | no windows required for a firmware upgrade |
| 07:40.36 | superman8 | Hi how to add source list for gnome packaged.. |
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| 07:41.29 | superman8 | I try add a few source in /etc/apt/source.list but still unable to install gnome desktop |
| 07:41.42 | Lady_Aleena | 8\o/* Success! "SetEnv PERL5LIB /home/me/perl5/lib/perl5" did it in apache2.conf |
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| 07:42.47 | mrrhq | >Flashing can brick your device. |
| 07:42.50 | mrrhq | That's why. |
| 07:42.59 | TomTomTo1 | superman8: can you paste your sources.list to paste.debian.net please? you shouldn't need to add anything to your sources, gnome is in the main repo. |
| 07:43.00 | veek | is there a way to figure out which app is requesting a particula url, ip in linux - barring lsof, netstat |
| 07:43.15 | mrrhq | Unless of course, Nikon would possibly cover that in a warranty. |
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| 07:43.28 | TomTomTo1 | superman8: just adding sources carelessly is often a bad idea. |
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| 07:44.17 | afx__ | Hello ! I am getting random slow boot times and when this happens my Gnome theme(Adwaita) seems broken , is there a way I can troubleshoot this issue ? |
| 07:44.35 | Guest73564 | do you need to register with a nick here ? |
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| 07:45.25 | superman8 | TomTomTo1: thanks for reply, will revert back in here later, cause not in a desktop right now.. thanks again for reply.. |
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| 07:45.48 | mrrhq | veek: sudo lsof -i -P |
| 07:45.51 | mrrhq | Maybe that? |
| 07:45.54 | pingumaharaj | asdfdasf |
| 07:46.10 | pingumaharaj | Hi |
| 07:46.18 | mrrhq | Evening. |
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| 07:53.32 | hmpf1 | Hello everybody. |
| 07:53.32 | hmpf1 | I have a question about systemd. I have the service dhcpcd running. But I can't find a unit file for it. But there is the start script in /etc/init.d. "service dhcpcd status" shows that as the source. |
| 07:53.53 | hmpf1 | Is that a case of systemd using a sysv init script? |
| 07:54.41 | hmpf1 | Do I have to use sysv tools to configure it then (service, update-rc.d)? |
| 07:55.09 | babilen | No, you don't |
| 07:55.14 | babilen | You can, but you don't have to |
| 07:55.16 | mrrhq | I believe systemd does still use init files for backwards compatability. But you can still manage those with systemctl. |
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| 07:55.22 | babilen | (it does) |
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| 07:56.31 | hmpf1 | is there a straight forward way to see what kind of system a service is using? |
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| 07:58.54 | babilen | hmpf1: It is shown in the status output |
| 07:59.10 | oskie | has the debian-security team been unusually busy lately? |
| 07:59.18 | babilen | But you are using systemd obviously |
| 07:59.34 | babilen | oskie: Why? |
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| 07:59.49 | oskie | babilen: getting updates every day ... but maybe they are not all security updates |
| 07:59.56 | oskie | ^i've been |
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| 08:00.15 | mrrhq | I also find it funny there's no seperate DHCP systemd service file. Is it included in networking.service? |
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| 08:00.47 | babilen | mrrhq: You mean for running your own DHCP server? |
| 08:00.49 | mrrhq | I'm guessing that starts up Debian's interfaces file. |
| 08:00.58 | mrrhq | No as a DHCP cliend. |
| 08:01.02 | mrrhq | *client |
| 08:02.34 | mrrhq | Yeah, networking takes care of all of that. |
| 08:03.22 | ar | mrrhq: dhcpcd provides its own init script |
| 08:04.30 | ranix | it's isc-dhcp-server now |
| 08:04.35 | mrrhq | Eh, I still prefer isc-dhsp. |
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| 08:12.06 | dob1 | hi, can I know if a pc was shutdown pressing the power button (that call the shutdown) ? |
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| 08:12.19 | enthdd | hi guys |
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| 08:19.01 | Lady_Aleena | How do I keep my grep colors going when I pipe grep through something like sort? I forgot. grep -r 'something' | sort | tee >(wc -1) |
| 08:19.30 | mrrhq | dob1: It might show up in the kernel logs. |
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| 08:21.01 | mrrhq | Lady_Aleena: I don't think it's possible unless those other programs also have color support. |
| 08:21.46 | mrrhq | Because piping just deals with raw stdin/stdout data. |
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| 08:22.05 | Lady_Aleena | mrrhq, I found it... go to .bashrc and change alias grep='grep --color=auto' to --color=always |
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| 08:22.35 | dob1 | mrrhq, i find the shutdown event but not what caused it |
| 08:23.19 | Lady_Aleena | I need more fu |
| 08:23.28 | mrrhq | Lady_Aleena: Oh cool, I didn't know about --color=always |
| 08:23.37 | Lady_Aleena | mrrhq, I had to google. |
| 08:24.07 | mrrhq | dob1: Hm, is your computer randomly shutting down at all? |
| 08:24.07 | Lady_Aleena | mrrhq, I just wish I had the fu to columnize grep output. |
| 08:24.36 | dob1 | mrrhq, no, it's a remote computer, it was shutdown, i was asking who did this |
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| 08:53.31 | ggherdov | Hello. I'm reading about PXE booting and all guides explain how to set up a PXE server, but what about the client? I don't understand how a client would know the network address of the PXE server. Is it something you set in the BIOS? |
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| 08:55.52 | mrrhq | ggherdov: https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall , this page? |
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| 08:56.01 | babilen | ggherdov: It's handled by the DHCP server |
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| 08:56.53 | mrrhq | The client assumes the server will be a specific IP, like 192.168.0.1 |
| 08:57.01 | babilen | No, it doesn't |
| 08:57.23 | ggherdov | babilen: so the client need to know the DHCP server's IP address, right? |
| 08:57.28 | babilen | It sends a DHCP request and your DHCP server answers |
| 08:57.55 | mrrhq | In that case, what if another person happened to be running a malicious PXE server? |
| 08:58.00 | babilen | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Host_Configuration_Protocol#DHCP_discovery |
| 08:58.09 | ggherdov | babilen: thanks |
| 08:58.09 | babilen | mrrhq: In that case the first answer is the winner |
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| 08:58.28 | mrrhq | So it's unsafe by design? |
| 08:58.37 | babilen | It's essentially broadcasted to the entire network and you really don't want to have multiple servers |
| 08:58.56 | mrrhq | Yeah, I know... I mean if that scenario happened. |
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| 08:59.28 | mrrhq | At least with something like Bluetooth pairing, there's some security. You have to physically confirm you want to pair with the device yourself. |
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| 09:00.17 | babilen | There are ways to mitigate this ... lets see if I dig something up. |
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| 09:00.45 | mrrhq | It says on the wiki page it logs everything anyway. |
| 09:00.48 | mrrhq | At /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 09:02.44 | babilen | Well, logging doesn't help. I'm not sure if authentication is supported by clients/servers these days, so this issue is primarily addressed by restricting access to the physical network |
| 09:03.17 | mrrhq | I guess using Ethernet over Wi-Fi is highly preferred for PXE. |
| 09:03.30 | mrrhq | I was imagining if someone actually used Wi-Fi, lol. |
| 09:03.47 | babilen | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Host_Configuration_Protocol#Security -- Wikipedia seems to have a good discussion of potential threats and ways in which they are being addressed |
| 09:04.24 | babilen | I've never done PXE over WiFi, but I wouldn't be very surprised if it is done in places nowadays |
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| 09:05.13 | mrrhq | Basically, if you're using Wi-Fi, don't just connect to open access points by name and save them. Always connect to secure access points. DHCP offers no security, it's just best practices at that point. :p |
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| 09:15.12 | msev-- | anyone here willing to analyze alsa-info output for me? http://pastebin.com/ksUevzdn ...I'd like to know if all ps3-eye camera's 4 microphones are used for audio capture and if it is set to be the default audio input source? |
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| 09:17.40 | charmian | what's the best way to associate one package with another so that it gets removed or flagged as redundant when removing the package it's been attached to? |
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| 09:23.34 | charmian | what im trying to do is associate a couple of minor lua packages with the mudlet client package so that when/if i decide to remove it from my system, the lua packages can be removed too, or at least flagged for removal with a apt-get autoremove. |
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| 09:39.21 | gebruiker | Antyone tried Debian GNU/kFreeBSD as desktop? |
| 09:40.03 | gebruiker | I want to try zfs as a filesystem on linux and am curous to know if anyone used it without troubles |
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| 09:58.49 | stranger09 | ya please share, i too want to use zfs on debian |
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| 10:07.19 | babilen | gebruiker: You might be interested in https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/zfs-linux |
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| 10:10.37 | stranger09 | how to change the beep to different sound |
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| 10:20.21 | teraflops | stranger09: where? tty or xorg? |
| 10:20.41 | stranger09 | terminator |
| 10:21.22 | teraflops | stranger09: which DE/WM? |
| 10:21.42 | stranger09 | using i3wm |
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| 10:23.02 | teraflops | stranger09: ok what I so using pulseadio is: http://ix.io/1bSK |
| 10:23.23 | stranger09 | yes pulseaudio |
| 10:23.31 | teraflops | what I do* |
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| 10:25.17 | teraflops | obv you want to change the path to the sample and your display value |
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| 10:25.55 | teraflops | stranger09: you can check if that works on-the-fly |
| 10:26.01 | teraflops | idk about therminator though ^ |
| 10:26.05 | teraflops | terminator* |
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| 10:26.22 | stranger09 | teraflops: not getting u ? |
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| 10:26.46 | teraflops | oh sorry I cannot be more specific |
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| 10:27.51 | stranger09 | where is the bell audio file |
| 10:28.01 | teraflops | look at the path |
| 10:28.13 | stranger09 | r u teling me to change that file with another |
| 10:28.33 | teraflops | paplay for checking how they sound |
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| 10:28.52 | teraflops | stranger09: that's what you asked for |
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| 10:29.04 | teraflops | unless I need way more coffee |
| 10:29.14 | stranger09 | i will give a shot |
| 10:29.16 | stranger09 | thnks |
| 10:29.19 | teraflops | np |
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| 10:42.22 | darxmurf | thanks |
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| 10:54.24 | Mava | hmm, question about any best practices: got a hp dl360p gen8 server with a lot of disk and I should somehow want to monitor the health of the disks using e.g. a script etc. should I use the inbuild HW raid with some hp software or mdadm raid or ? |
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| 10:56.03 | ksk | Mava: that depends :) |
| 10:56.18 | ksk | if you have a "fullstack" hardware raid controller Id suggest using it (performance and stuff!) |
| 10:56.40 | ksk | they probably have a tools for linux then to check the raid state |
| 10:57.12 | Mava | well thats exactly the case, i would say that the raid controller is proper hw raid |
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| 10:57.19 | ksk | if its more a "fakeraid" you would exptect in a desktop computer Id go with linux software raid |
| 10:57.42 | Mava | hehe, i guarantee, we're speaking of real hw raid this case |
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| 10:58.16 | Mava | but the main problem is the hw status tool, like, does it even exist ? |
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| 10:58.25 | tx | yes |
| 10:58.31 | tx | HP have software for linux |
| 10:58.43 | teraflops | real hw raid then you want sw from the manufacturer I think |
| 10:58.58 | Mava | tx: whats the software called that I should be then looking for? |
| 10:59.06 | tx | https://downloads.linux.hpe.com/ |
| 10:59.36 | tx | you will probably want this: https://downloads.linux.hpe.com/SDR/project/mcp/ |
| 10:59.38 | Mava | whoa, never faced that before |
| 11:00.53 | Mava | quite nice, through those tools as well iLo can be managed |
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| 11:01.37 | Mava | and what is even more impressive is that they're not just supporting e.g. RHel |
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| 11:08.15 | Mava | tx: got it, thanks to you! |
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| 11:24.02 | Orbstheorem | According to the debian policy, what is the difference betwwen /bin and /usr/bin ? |
| 11:25.09 | babilen | Orbstheorem: I'd recommend to read "man 7 hier" and https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge |
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| 11:29.00 | Orbstheorem | babilen: what about /usr/local/bin ? |
| 11:29.31 | Orbstheorem | it juste says "programs local to the site " |
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| 11:29.46 | bakspace | Is ss the same as netstat? |
| 11:30.15 | babilen | /usr/local is typically for data/executables/.. that are under the control of the system administrator directly and the packaging system won't tinker with it |
| 11:30.27 | babilen | Orbstheorem: Anything in particular you'd like to know about it? |
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| 11:31.55 | Orbstheorem | I'm making a btrfs layout, so I want to estimate which paths should I isolate so that rolling back snapshots actually makes sense |
| 11:32.57 | Orbstheorem | folders like /boot which shouldn't be changing that much will be left on the root subvolume |
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| 11:33.27 | Orbstheorem | /var/vms for the system virtual machines will be in a separate volume with CoW disabled |
| 11:34.10 | Orbstheorem | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.05 | Orbstheorem | but for /usr and /bin, I'm not so sure if it makes sense to leave /bin on the root subvolume and let /usr be a subvolume on it's own |
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| 11:35.40 | teraflops | Orbstheorem: well it does not make sense to me |
| 11:35.44 | Orbstheorem | ie. if I rollback a /usr snapshot, will the system will still be stable |
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| 11:36.07 | Orbstheorem | teraflops: what doesn't makes sense? |
| 11:36.08 | teraflops | Orbstheorem: /var makes more sense depending on your use cause |
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| 11:36.27 | teraflops | the /bin bit |
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| 11:37.26 | Orbstheorem | I'm planning to leave /bin on the root subvol, but I'm not sure if /bin is consistent with /usr/bin |
| 11:38.07 | Orbstheorem | like, is rolling back /usr/bin because of a problem during an library upgrade but not rolling back /bin will cause problems? |
| 11:38.07 | teraflops | Orbstheorem: yeah it is, dont bother with that it's fine in the root subvol |
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| 11:38.26 | Orbstheorem | then I guess I'll leave them both on the root one... |
| 11:39.08 | teraflops | Orbstheorem: I have trivial example somewhere if you want to see it |
| 11:39.30 | Orbstheorem | sure |
| 11:39.34 | teraflops | gimme a sec |
| 11:40.18 | teraflops | Orbstheorem: https://mediagoblin.mysticemporium.xyz/mgoblin_media/media_entries/12/screencast-1450632779.webm |
| 11:40.55 | teraflops | and yes disabling COW for the VMs is a good idea |
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| 11:41.46 | Poulay_Brayzay | Hello everyone, I'm facing an error 302 when I try ==> root#wget https://www.pocd.orange.fr with this message "GnuTLS: The signature algorithm is not supported. Unable to establish SSL connection." But it's Ok when I try https://google.com. If anyone have an idea where can I look up it will be great, thank you in advance. |
| 11:42.06 | Orbstheorem | teraflops: thanks |
| 11:42.09 | teraflops | np |
| 11:42.27 | Orbstheorem | btw, did you just recorded the webm or did you have it already? |
| 11:42.42 | teraflops | I did it myself |
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| 11:42.52 | teraflops | I recorded it* |
| 11:43.09 | Orbstheorem | okay |
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| 11:44.54 | teraflops | Poulay_Brayzay: the message is self explanatory, tried with --no-check-certificate ? |
| 11:45.43 | teraflops | silly ISPs⦠|
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| 11:48.22 | teraflops | Orbstheorem: wait you meant I recorded it right now? no it was like a year ago |
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| 11:49.43 | Orbstheorem | teraflops: yeah, that's what I meant. I though you did had a script for making quick screencasts and upload them :P |
| 11:50.19 | teraflops | Orbstheorem: well I already have one it's just I already had the video |
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| 11:50.49 | teraflops | a gstreamer one |
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| 11:51.05 | gry | ./adb: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:51.07 | Orbstheorem | mind sharing? :) |
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| 11:51.19 | Orbstheorem | teraflops: ^^ |
| 11:51.21 | gry | I already installed libncurses5, what next? |
| 11:51.24 | Poulay_Brayzay | teraflops: yes I've try with --no-check-certificate, same result :( |
| 11:51.38 | teraflops | Orbstheorem: it's fine gimme a sec |
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| 11:52.34 | teraflops | Orbstheorem: http://ix.io/KH6 ;) |
| 11:53.09 | Orbstheorem | great, thanks! |
| 11:53.21 | Orbstheorem | I'll check it later, got course in 10 mins |
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| 11:54.49 | teraflops | Poulay_Brayzay: i'd blame orange |
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| 11:55.03 | teraflops | Orbstheorem: np |
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| 11:56.30 | teraflops | Poulay_Brayzay: funny thing I get an error loop under debian but it works fine in my workstation using another distro |
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| 11:59.45 | Poulay_Brayzay | teraflops: I found this subject, I think it's related ==> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=740160 |
| 11:59.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/740160 in gnutls26 (closed, patch): «gnutls unusable with cacert SHA2-512 sigs»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-02-26; last modified: 2016-08-20. |
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| 12:01.50 | teraflops | Poulay_Brayzay: are you in wheezy? |
| 12:01.56 | Gerowen | Anybody using Radeon R6 graphics with the proprietary driver on Debian? I've noticed it doesn't explicitly list Debian as a supported distro, but it lists Ubuntu 12.04 and all of the component requirements such as Xorg 7.4 and kernel 2.6 are met by Jessie. |
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| 12:06.06 | Poulay_Brayzay | teraflops: Yes I'm running 7.10 version |
| 12:06.12 | petn-randall | Gerowen: We can't influence which distros AMD officially endorses. Seeing that non-free is not officially part of Debian, and the Debian community prefers FOSS software over non-free, it's not that surprising that they don't officially support it. |
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| 12:10.27 | Gerowen | petn-randall: I understand that, I was just curious if it functioned well enough to get some decent 3-D acceleration out of it for playing some PC games. I've used Debian pretty much exclusively for years until I got this new laptop, and I left a large file transfer running from this Win10 laptop to our Debian home server last night. At some point in the night Windows 10 decided to auto-update and reboot because it was "off hours" and interrupted my |
| 12:10.27 | Gerowen | file transfer. The option to turn off Windows updates was removed in Win10. Anyway, that's off topic, I'll give it a shot on a portable drive and see if I can get 3-D acceleration working, :-) |
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| 12:29.53 | superman8 | TomTomTo1: paste.debian.net/847726 |
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| 12:31.06 | TomTomTo1 | !tell superman8 about jessie sources.list |
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| 12:32.32 | TomTomTo1 | superman8: check what the bot sent you. you are missing the keyword main in your sources. the default sources.list has three lines. six if you add deb-src lines. |
| 12:33.33 | TomTomTo1 | superman8: debian repos are split into main contrib non-free with contrib and non-free being optional, but you need at least main, which includes all free software. |
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| 12:35.29 | new-nick | Hey there, |
| 12:35.29 | new-nick | Need a little tip. |
| 12:36.03 | superman8 | TomTomTo1: received bot,will try now.. best regards |
| 12:36.04 | new-nick | trying to rename all files with a series of file names using mv command. |
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| 12:36.47 | new-nick | Have series of files in directory and trying to rename as image1.png, image2.png so on |
| 12:37.18 | new-nick | any tips to construct terminal command line will be appreciated. |
| 12:37.40 | new-nick | Wanna learn command line before trying bulk rename application. |
| 12:39.21 | petn-randall | new-nick: I use the 'rename' command for that. |
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| 12:41.36 | new-nick | Perl rename command ? Sure to use rename or mv if I am aware of structuring command properly. Tried to understand rename command from a tutorial but not understand correctly. |
| 12:42.06 | new-nick | Just checking here whether any easy way to achieve bulk/batch rename with terminal command line. |
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| 12:52.54 | aedinius | Not really a question but more of a musing -- i wonder why my laptop loses wifi conn more often than say my phone. |
| 12:53.04 | aedinius | Only on this particular hotel wifi, though. |
| 12:53.33 | superman8 | TomTomTo1: tried to run aptitude update but error command not found. Later try with apt-get update update success, now i can install gnome desktop.. thanks for your help.. |
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| 12:56.40 | JohnA | OT - how can I dicover/reset my freenode PW? I thought I knew it but I must have changed it and failed to make a note of the new one!! |
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| 12:57.12 | aedinius | JohnA: you can /msg nickserv and get help. there should be a recover option |
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| 12:58.13 | aedinius | JohnA: try setpass, if you have the email set correctly |
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| 12:58.29 | Arone | tgif ? |
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| 12:59.02 | teraflops | JohnA: /msg NickServ SENDPASS nickname |
| 12:59.10 | teraflops | JohnA: also #freenode |
| 12:59.53 | aedinius | Arone: yay friday night |
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| 13:11.49 | JohnA | teraflops, /part |
| 13:12.06 | teraflops | huh? |
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| 13:12.38 | B[]rG | :) |
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| 13:15.22 | Jaleks | during dist-upgrade the box hangs on 'sync' while doing 'update-initramfs -u' when "Building cpio /boot/initrd.img-4.4â¦". now i am afraid that a reboot will not work, and the machine is remote. do i have to be afraid? |
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| 13:37.35 | aedinius | Is there a way to have wpa_supplicant not blacklist an AP for some reason? I feel that the AP is generating errors and wpa_supplicant is blacklisting it, and eventually I run out of APs I can reach and it just stops connecting |
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| 14:10.03 | darxmurf | Just because it's friday \o/ a guy a bit pissed off in an apple store in france is smashing everything with a pétanque ball :D |
| 14:10.06 | darxmurf | http://www.numerama.com/tech/198460-quand-un-dijonnais-saccage-un-apple-store-cest-avec-une-boule-de-petanque.html |
| 14:10.23 | darxmurf | have a good week-end ! |
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| 14:15.48 | aedinius | what's the security guard going to do? wand him into submission? |
| 14:16.20 | darxmurf | well, the guy tels him to stay |
| 14:16.26 | darxmurf | waiting for the cops |
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| 14:16.37 | darxmurf | there is another video where the guy try to run |
| 14:17.38 | darxmurf | then the secu guard stops him and they start fight a bit |
| 14:18.15 | darxmurf | apparently the guy killed for 50K Euros in the shop |
| 14:18.47 | th0r | darxmurf, and this belongs here because? |
| 14:18.58 | darxmurf | while smashing the hardware he is telling to the video that apple are not respecting consumer rules and rights, that's why he is smashing the store :D |
| 14:19.09 | darxmurf | nothing |
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| 14:19.33 | darxmurf | that's why I said "because it's friday" |
| 14:19.41 | darxmurf | so, sorry about that |
| 14:21.11 | TomTomTo1 | you are welcome to share your videos of angry frenchmen in #debian-offtopic , which incidentally is open all days of the week ^^ |
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| 14:22.07 | stoned | huh |
| 14:22.42 | stoned | Mushrooms. |
| 14:23.00 | stoned | French mushrooms with tea. |
| 14:23.08 | TomTomTo1 | no thanks. |
| 14:23.11 | stoned | :) |
| 14:23.21 | stoned | How's it going |
| 14:23.53 | aedinius | ls -l |
| 14:23.59 | aedinius | ignore that. |
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| 14:24.16 | stoned | it's alright |
| 14:24.31 | stoned | Sometimes I'm stoned and log into a wrong server and screw up an entire company for 1 hour. |
| 14:24.40 | stoned | Just a wrong terminal window. It's cool |
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| 14:25.18 | stoned | There are times my debian system completely locks up, and freezes, and sysrq is also frozen |
| 14:25.21 | aedinius | stoned: drugs are bad mmkay |
| 14:25.23 | stoned | It happens randomly whenever |
| 14:25.51 | stoned | aedinius: you are absolutely correct. |
| 14:25.52 | aedinius | Oh, I'm typing over super unreablie connection |
| 14:26.04 | Haxxa | I am running debian on a raspi equiv board but it takes too long - its going to display a simple local html page using ice wheasal - to make it boot faster what can I disable |
| 14:26.11 | Haxxa | i.e. networking etc. |
| 14:26.12 | aedinius | did a ctrl-a-space and it was like "blah blah NEW WINDOW" |
| 14:26.14 | stoned | https://stoned.io/psychedelics/Psychedelics-Are-Deeply-Linked-With-The-Human-Condition/ Drugs are bad. Psychedelics are not drugs. Read the article to find out why. And come to ##stoned if further intereste. I'm trying to figure out why my sistem freezes |
| 14:26.20 | stoned | It's an 9 year old core 2 desktop |
| 14:26.28 | stoned | Could it be age? |
| 14:26.33 | stoned | OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64/x86_64-Distro: Debian 8.6-CPU: 4 x Intel Core2 Quad (3775.147 MHz)-Processes: 651-Uptime: 1d 10h 5m-Users: 3-Load Average: 1.74-Memory Usage: 1195.59MB/8002.49MB (-469.33%)-Disk Usage: 3391.47GB/3734.40GB (90.82%) |
| 14:27.08 | stoned | aedinius: on ssh? |
| 14:27.12 | aedinius | stoned: Doubt it. My secondary laptop is a Core2, about 7 yeras old |
| 14:27.13 | stoned | aedinius: enable ssh compression |
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| 14:27.19 | stoned | ssh -C |
| 14:27.22 | stoned | iirc |
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| 14:27.31 | stoned | And if you're on a slow connection, possibly look into free nx |
| 14:27.34 | stoned | the nx proxy |
| 14:27.35 | teraflops | stoned: yeah |
| 14:27.52 | stoned | hey tera |
| 14:27.54 | stoned | o/ |
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| 14:28.30 | aedinius | nx? |
| 14:28.44 | stoned | It could be crapping out b/c I have a very old 8400gs in there in addition to the gtx 275 |
| 14:28.48 | aedinius | using mosh now |
| 14:28.57 | stoned | so in X, when I use anythign on 2nd/3rd monitors, the first monitors starts to lag |
| 14:29.03 | stoned | I think maybe this is why it could be freezing or crashing |
| 14:29.10 | stoned | for some reason, multi gpu is fucked. |
| 14:29.13 | stoned | dang nabbit |
| 14:29.14 | aedinius | ... nx seems to be graphical stuff. |
| 14:29.19 | stoned | is it? |
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| 14:29.22 | TomTomTo1 | faulty hardware is hard to debug. |
| 14:29.24 | stoned | I thought you could proxy ssh over nx |
| 14:29.24 | aedinius | I'm logging into a raspi from across teh world from shitty wifi |
| 14:29.26 | stoned | I could be wrong |
| 14:29.35 | aedinius | why would i proxy ssh over it |
| 14:29.41 | stoned | for caching |
| 14:29.43 | stoned | and speed |
| 14:29.45 | aedinius | mosh seems to be helping |
| 14:29.48 | stoned | word |
| 14:29.48 | aedinius | seems insecure |
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| 14:30.05 | stoned | anyway, ssh compression ought to help a bit |
| 14:30.16 | aedinius | seems that nx works over ssh, not the other way around |
| 14:30.23 | stoned | Oh really |
| 14:30.25 | stoned | my memory is shoddy |
| 14:30.27 | stoned | my bad |
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| 14:30.51 | stoned | \o/ oh well. |
| 14:30.52 | stoned | Time to stone. |
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| 14:34.13 | teraflops | systemd-analyze plot > plot.svg for a fancy graphic |
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| 15:16.53 | Gr33nH4t | hi |
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| 15:27.05 | sergio__ | hi |
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| 15:27.42 | hanshenrik | > Account creation failed: Due to an ongoing spam attack, this wiki is configured to not automatically create wiki accounts for some users. Please contact wiki@debian.org first if you wish to create an account, and describe what you want to do in the wiki.. |
| 15:27.44 | hanshenrik | sigh |
| 15:28.07 | DammitJim | if I want to use a domain user called backup on a debian machine that is joined to the domain |
| 15:28.29 | DammitJim | do I need to log on to the server first as that user, or can I just create a crontab for that user? |
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| 16:09.42 | DammitJim | what should I set up on a cron job so that I can see what is being done? |
| 16:09.59 | DammitJim | I am trying to do automatic backups of mysql but the file it generates is empty |
| 16:10.01 | Cerebr0 | Hi there ! I'm looking to apply a background on my gnome-terhminal (v3.14), it's not possible with the GUI, any ideas ? |
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| 16:13.29 | reber | hi all |
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| 16:13.47 | reber | do you know a tool to do service continuous integration test ? |
| 16:15.03 | duicker | Cerebr0: for some reason feature was removed https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698544 |
| 16:15.38 | duicker | i use gnome-terminal, but i use guake too, you can set a background in guake if you want |
| 16:15.42 | duicker | or downgrade your terminal |
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| 16:17.20 | hexadecimal | hello debidi |
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| 16:18.26 | Cerebr0 | duicker: humm... 'kay, what is guake ? Another bash interface ? |
| 16:19.09 | duicker | its a dropdown terminal not windowed. hit f12 to quickly drop down a terminal, then again to send it away. |
| 16:19.15 | sh00p | reber: jenkins, hudson |
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| 16:20.31 | reber | sh00p, thanks. Is it for Java only ? |
| 16:21.10 | sh00p | reber: no you can specify your own build commands and parse the output manually |
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| 16:21.34 | sh00p | or rather, you write parsers and then jenkins does it for you :) |
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| 16:22.23 | sh00p | in my case we use cucumber along with maven (with c++ plugin) |
| 16:22.27 | reber | sh00p, perfect. Wich of them would you prefer : jenkins or hudson ? |
| 16:22.50 | sh00p | jenkins i think reber, i never try hudson but afaik jenkins is a fork of hudson cause hudson sold out or something |
| 16:23.15 | sh00p | like libreoffice is a fork of openoffice |
| 16:23.19 | reber | sh00p, ok. perfect thanks. Could cucumber do the same ? |
| 16:23.39 | sh00p | reber: cucumber is not a continous integration environment, it's a testing framework |
| 16:23.50 | sh00p | for integration testing |
| 16:24.43 | reber | ok perfect. Any ruby tool like jenkins or hudson then ? |
| 16:24.54 | sh00p | but if you have multiple projects that need to integrate, and you test the integration with cucmber, then jenkins is the tools that tells you when things go good or bad |
| 16:25.26 | sh00p | at least that's how we use it |
| 16:25.59 | sh00p | running on debian servers of course :) |
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| 16:27.33 | reber | sh00p, cool ! it seems that there is a jenkins gem, i'll look at that. thanks a lood again :) |
| 16:27.47 | reber | *a lot* |
| 16:27.50 | reber | :) |
| 16:27.53 | sh00p | np m8 |
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| 16:30.47 | SaintMoriarty | How can I use a debian cd to boot from USB on a old computer? |
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| 16:31.46 | fguide | SaintMoriarty: you'd rather burn an .iso to an usb flash drive |
| 16:31.48 | roger` | you mean boot from usb ? |
| 16:32.00 | roger` | and by cd you mean image |
| 16:32.20 | SaintMoriarty | no |
| 16:32.29 | roger` | you can use dd on linux to copy image or rufus on windows |
| 16:32.47 | roger` | ok, like an usb cd device ? |
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| 16:32.58 | SaintMoriarty | i have a image i have put on a usb, my machine is too old to have a boot from usb in bios. wanted to use debian rescue to boot usb |
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| 16:33.16 | roger` | i see |
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| 16:33.32 | roger` | no idea for that though good luck |
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| 16:34.11 | roger` | burning image to disc ain't possible or your need write capabilities ? |
| 16:34.11 | sh00p | SaintMoriarty, your best bet is to go for an actual cdrom |
| 16:34.24 | sh00p | if your system cant boot usb |
| 16:34.25 | fguide | if you're able to, you could burn a cd with that image |
| 16:34.37 | SaintMoriarty | its a dvd image |
| 16:34.42 | SaintMoriarty | my system does not have dvd |
| 16:34.57 | roger` | mhh you can plug dvd drive |
| 16:35.12 | SaintMoriarty | your discovering the steps i went through lol |
| 16:35.13 | roger` | even from other machine |
| 16:35.39 | greycat | The standard netinst installation images are half the size of a CD (not a DVD). |
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| 16:36.05 | roger` | i dont think its about using a debian image |
| 16:36.28 | TomTomTo1 | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apas02.html.en |
| 16:36.32 | TomTomTo1 | see 2.4 |
| 16:36.37 | fguide | SaintMoriarty: if you can't boot through usb, I don't see much alternatives other than installing a ide/sata dvd/cd reader |
| 16:36.54 | roger` | yes |
| 16:37.00 | roger` | or ethernet boot |
| 16:37.04 | roger` | but that's far fetched |
| 16:37.09 | greycat | The last fallback is to move the hard drive to another machine of the same arch but less crippled, install on it, then move it back. |
| 16:37.20 | roger` | good idea greycat |
| 16:37.35 | roger` | i moved my server install to another machine without any problem |
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| 16:38.40 | greycat | Ethernet booting for installations is a thing. I've never set it up myself, because it looks incredibly difficult. |
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| 16:38.50 | greycat | But apparently in some places it's all the rage. |
| 16:39.13 | fguide | yeah, pxe boot is a lot of trouble, requires a pxe server running |
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| 16:40.22 | xhuo | after trying to downgrade from testing to stable, my system is completely broken (a lot of packages were uninstalled), now i'm trying to reinstall everything, but i get this error when i do apt-get install -f http://paste.debian.net/848424 |
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| 16:41.06 | xhuo | i don't mind uninstalling open-vm-tools (i think this is related to vmware) but i'm not able to either |
| 16:41.29 | fguide | xhuo now we know you live in London ;) |
| 16:41.32 | greycat | xhuo: are you sure that's the right URL? |
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| 16:42.17 | xhuo | greycat: sorry it's http://paste.debian.net/848423 |
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| 16:42.40 | xhuo | greycat: i'm using the terminal for IRC so i cannot copy/paste |
| 16:42.46 | greycat | You aren't reinstalling. You're still trying to downgrade. |
| 16:42.59 | xhuo | greycat: right |
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| 16:43.19 | xhuo | greycat: i'm trying to get to a stable point without errors before reinstalling the plasma-desktop and xserver etc. |
| 16:44.10 | greycat | Purge everything that isn't part of the jessie core. Then MAYBE you have a prayer of it working, and maybe not. |
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| 16:44.24 | XATRIX | Hi guys, can you advice me what's wrong with my apt ? |
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| 16:44.38 | XATRIX | I'm doing apt-get, and get the following: |
| 16:44.44 | XATRIX | Get:1 http://security.debian.org jessie/updates InRelease [63.1 kB] |
| 16:44.46 | XATRIX | E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. |
| 16:44.48 | XATRIX | N: Is the package apt-transport-https installed? |
| 16:44.50 | petn-randall | SaintMoriarty: If your old laptop's BIOS can't boot from USB, you can't change much of that. So your options are either to burn a CD (it has a CD drive, right?), or you could take the HDD out, bootstrap Debian on there from another machine, and put it back in. |
| 16:45.12 | xhuo | greycat: but any apt-get command will give me an error because of this package so i'm not sure how to proceed |
| 16:45.17 | xhuo | greycat: what should i remove now? |
| 16:45.18 | SaintMoriarty | It has pxe boot option |
| 16:45.25 | greycat | XATRIX: Simple. Stop trying to use https. |
| 16:45.27 | missmbob | XATRIX: for https sources you need to install apt-transport-https ...or edit your sources |
| 16:45.50 | greycat | xhuo: Purging can be done package by package with dpkg --purge |
| 16:46.26 | XATRIX | greycat: i don't have any |
| 16:46.35 | XATRIX | root@simmarket:~# grep -R /etc/apt https - gives me nothing |
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| 16:47.01 | xhuo | greycat: i get an error when trying to purge open-vm-tools; dpkg says that the package is in a "very bad inconsistent state" and needs to be reinstalled |
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| 16:47.12 | greycat | XATRIX: your grep command arguments are backwards |
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| 16:47.27 | XATRIX | greycat: sorry ? |
| 16:47.46 | greycat | XATRIX: grep -r https /etc/apt |
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| 16:48.05 | XATRIX | the same |
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| 16:50.04 | XATRIX | greycat: hey ? |
| 16:50.21 | xhuo | greycat: i also get an error /var/lib/dpkg/info/open-vm-tools.prerm: line 9: invoke-rc.d: command not ofund |
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| 16:50.41 | greycat | xhuo: Edit the prerm script by hand to force it to exit 0. |
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| 16:52.16 | xhuo | greycat: i move the /var/lib/dpkg/info/ files concerning open-vm-tools and it worked |
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| 16:52.50 | greycat | xhuo: If you haven't already been advised to wipe this system and reinstall fresh, let me be the first to officially offer that advice. |
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| 16:53.36 | xhuo | greycat: i'd love to try and salvage it, if only to learn more about debian |
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| 16:54.03 | xhuo | greycat: http://paste.debian.net/848505/ now i get this :( |
| 16:54.35 | xhuo | greycat: should i try and remove all these jdk packages? |
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| 16:55.42 | xhuo | there is something weird about "mountpoint not found" in these errors and again update-rc.d: not found |
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| 16:56.50 | greycat | xhuo: well, among other things, it means your sysv-rc package is broken or missing, because that's what provides the /usr/sbin/update-rc.d program. |
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| 16:58.43 | Abduh | hello |
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| 16:59.31 | xhuo | greycat: thanks, i reinstalled this package and now i have less errors: http://paste.debian.net/848507/ |
| 17:02.37 | xhuo | greycat: any idea on what to do next? |
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| 17:04.41 | xhuo | greycat: the java command requires a mounted proc fs |
| 17:04.54 | greycat | Why in the fuck is java on your system. |
| 17:05.12 | greycat | (Also why in the fuck is your /proc not mounted.) |
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| 17:08.10 | jrabbit | is there a reason theres no python3.5 backport? |
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| 17:08.35 | missmbob | because it's huge and difficult |
| 17:08.38 | greycat | !checkbackport python3.5 |
| 17:08.43 | greycat | ,checkbackport python3.5 |
| 17:08.44 | judd | Backporting package python3.5 in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 17:08.57 | greycat | Meh. Maybe, maybe bot. Judd sometimes lies about checkbackport. |
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| 17:09.14 | greycat | Also I can't type today. |
| 17:09.18 | jrabbit | I mean its in testing :\ |
| 17:09.30 | missmbob | what's that got to do with it? |
| 17:10.14 | greycat | There are many packages where judd says "Oh sure, all build-deps satisfied, should work" and then you actually *try* it and you end up needing to upgrade tar or dpkg or something else from the core. |
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| 17:11.10 | greycat | If you need python 3.5 for your stable system, consider just building it from upstream sources instead. |
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| 17:12.21 | TomTomTo1 | happened to me before when i didn't test the right source package. what judd said should be correct. |
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| 17:26.51 | xhuo | greycat: for some reason my system is mounted in read-only when i reboot it |
| 17:27.03 | xhuo | greycat: then i did mount -o remount or something like that to remount it |
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| 17:27.12 | xhuo | greycat: but i guess it didn't remount proc |
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| 17:27.22 | xhuo | greycat: right now everything is read-only, i rebooted my system |
| 17:27.24 | greycat | Rebooting while the system is in a broken state is a very bad idea. |
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| 17:27.57 | xhuo | greycat: yes :( should i just try the remount command again? |
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| 17:29.27 | xhuo | greycat: the command i used earlier was mount -o remount / |
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| 17:30.34 | greycat | You will also want to mount /proc and /sys and whatever else is missing because of your half-broken boot. |
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| 17:31.04 | xhuo | greycat: so mount -o remount /proc? |
| 17:31.12 | xhuo | greycat: how do I know what is missing? |
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| 17:31.47 | greycat | Because if you are fucking around with a system at this level of brokenness, you need to know how the system is SUPPOSED to work. |
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| 17:32.54 | xhuo | greycat: i'm just messing around, if you don't want to help that is fine |
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| 17:33.21 | xhuo | i don't care if i break it further, this is just for fun |
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| 17:34.07 | lowin | you mount proc with mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 17:34.54 | greycat | Or just "mount /proc" if fstab is correct. |
| 17:35.15 | xhuo | lowin: i think i did a mistake because i wrote mount -o remount /proc, so now i get proc is already mounted or /proc busy |
| 17:35.26 | xhuo | i guess i need to umount /proc and mount -o remount / |
| 17:35.44 | greycat | ... I'm done. *plonk* |
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| 17:35.49 | xhuo | umount /proc target is busy |
| 17:35.53 | greycat | Christ. |
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| 17:36.07 | xhuo | greycat: np, you already helped a little, thanks |
| 17:36.08 | lowin | greycat, proc shouldn't be in fstab though. It should be handled by init system |
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| 17:36.27 | greycat | lowin: ah, ... damn. OK. |
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| 17:37.04 | greycat | I have proc in fstab on a squeeze box, but I guess it is no longer explicitly listed in jessie. |
| 17:37.35 | greycat | I also have it on wheezy, but those were all upgraded systems.... |
| 17:37.52 | lowin | generally, the very first few things init will do is mounting proc and sysfs. it is done in initramfs before mounting real root |
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| 17:38.14 | xhuo | lowin: where can i see where this went wrong during the boot? |
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| 17:38.53 | lowin | xhuo, I have no idea what your problem is |
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| 17:39.07 | lowin | Could you repeat it |
| 17:39.19 | greycat | lowin: He tried to downgrade stretch to jessie, and it broke, and he rebooted multiple times while it was broken, and then he broke it some more. |
| 17:39.20 | xhuo | lowin: my system is completely broken after trying to downgrade from unstable/testing to stable |
| 17:39.30 | greycat | And then rebooted some more. |
| 17:39.33 | lowin | that's no good |
| 17:39.38 | xhuo | lowin: lots of package were uninstalled, or are broken |
| 17:39.57 | xhuo | lowin: when i boot my system, the filesystem is mounted in read-only, i don't know why -- so i use mount -o remount / |
| 17:40.14 | xhuo | lowin: i don't have xserver nor plasma-desktop but the command line works fine |
| 17:40.20 | greycat | And he seems to think we will handhold him through some sort of easy step by step process to unbreak it. |
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| 17:41.26 | lowin | Well I don't think unbreaking is possible, short of replacing every package with the correct version. which is basically a manual reinstallation |
| 17:41.27 | xhuo | lowin: for instance, this is the current output of apt-get install -f http://paste.debian.net/848584 |
| 17:41.47 | missmbob | givve up already. reinstall |
| 17:41.50 | xhuo | lowin: i'm ok doing this :) |
| 17:41.57 | xhuo | missmbob: where is the fun in that |
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| 17:42.29 | petn-randall | lowin: Except that on upgrade some packages update config or upgrade a database scheme. You'd have to manually take those steps back, too. |
| 17:43.05 | lowin | Yeah the whole /etc probably needs to be cleaned and reconstructed |
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| 17:44.12 | lowin | xhou, So.. right now your problem is that root is read only? |
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| 17:44.40 | lowin | are you sure the system has booted into real root and not stuck in initramfs? |
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| 17:45.08 | lowin | although I guess if you can use apt, its on real root |
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| 17:48.39 | jaha885 | Hi, i did install debian and manually created encrypted partitions, is there any way to boot system using single password instead of writing password for each partition? |
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| 17:51.51 | xhuo | lowin: basically when i boot i get a terminal where it's written (none) tty1 |
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| 17:51.59 | xhuo | then (none) login: |
| 17:52.11 | xhuo | lowin: here i can login either using root or using my normal user |
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| 17:52.59 | lowin | jaha885, You can use cryptsetup to add keyfiles as password to non-root partition. then add them to /etc/crypttab along with the keyfiles to automatically get them unlocked at boot |
| 17:53.11 | somiaj | xhuo: cat /etc/hostname |
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| 17:53.47 | lowin | xhuo, try using apt to repair the packages. apt-get install -f |
| 17:53.51 | xhuo | somiaj: it's my normal username |
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| 17:54.08 | lowin | If bitches about any unimportant packages, remove it |
| 17:54.12 | somiaj | xhuo: what is the output of hostname? |
| 17:54.23 | xhuo | lowin: somiaj: this is the output of apt-get install -f http://paste.debian.net/848617 |
| 17:54.40 | xhuo | there is a problem with proc not being mounted apparently |
| 17:54.41 | somiaj | xhuo: though looks like you had other problems, I missed your previous conversation. |
| 17:55.04 | xhuo | somiaj: output of hostname is (none) |
| 17:55.08 | petn-randall | jaha885: Ideally you have single LUKS partition, and inside there is a PV you use for LVM. |
| 17:55.11 | lowin | xhuo, just remove java packages |
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| 17:55.27 | somiaj | ,v openjdk-7-jre-headless |
| 17:55.28 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre-headless on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u95-2.6.4-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb7u1; jessie: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb8u1; experimental: 7u111-2.6.7-1 |
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| 17:55.42 | petn-randall | jaha885: IIRC the boot script will try the password on all devices, so if you set the same password for all of them, you should only have to type it once. |
| 17:55.52 | somiaj | xhuo: ls /proc (is it not mounted? just mount it) |
| 17:55.57 | somiaj | xhuo: mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 17:56.24 | xhuo | somiaj: earlier i made a mistake and wrote mount -o remount /proc; so now when i type your command, i get that /proc is busy |
| 17:56.26 | jaha885 | I did enter same password, but still i have to enter pw for each partition |
| 17:56.54 | somiaj | xhuo: maybe reboot to clean up your mounts. Sure you can do it manually but sometimes a reboot is easier. |
| 17:56.59 | xhuo | somiaj: proc is already mounted or /proc busy |
| 17:57.00 | xhuo | ok brb |
| 17:57.01 | jaha885 | Is there something i can do instead of reinstall |
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| 17:59.02 | xhuo | somiaj: ok i rebooted, so right now nothing is mounted (mounted as read-only) |
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| 17:59.15 | xhuo | somiaj: i logged in as root and the prompt says root@(none): |
| 17:59.18 | lowin | jaha885, crypttab is your best option. man crypttab |
| 17:59.20 | somiaj | xhuo: not even proc? the output of mount should tell you if 'proc' is mounted |
| 17:59.37 | somiaj | xhuo: now try to mount proc if it is not mounted, 'mount -t proc proc /proc' |
| 17:59.50 | xhuo | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/848648 |
| 18:00.03 | xhuo | somiaj: proc is mounted apparently |
| 18:00.17 | somiaj | xhuo: ls /proc (do you see files) |
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| 18:01.02 | xhuo | somiaj: some files with normal names and some files with numbers: http://paste.debian.net/848649 |
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| 18:01.20 | somiaj | xhuo: the numbers are directories of the process that are running with the pid |
| 18:01.32 | somiaj | xhuo: does apt-get -f install at least work now on that java package? |
| 18:01.34 | xhuo | somiaj: why is my main partition /dev/sda5 mounted as read-only? |
| 18:01.54 | somiaj | xhuo: unsure, sometimes it does that if there is an issue and boots you into single user mode |
| 18:02.10 | xhuo | somiaj: dpkg: error: unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system |
| 18:02.20 | xhuo | somiaj: it doesn't even try the java packages because the system is read-only |
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| 18:02.46 | xhuo | somiaj: earlier what i had to do was: mount -o remount / to remount it in write mode |
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| 18:04.05 | xhuo | somiaj: here is the output of apt-get install -f right now: http://paste.debian.net/848650 |
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| 18:05.30 | xhuo | somiaj: so when i do mount -o remount / does that unmount /proc? |
| 18:05.37 | xhuo | somiaj: (i haven't done it for this reboot) |
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| 18:06.14 | Peasant65 | hi! I got a question, is there a nice way to get debian stable to php7 ? |
| 18:06.29 | somiaj | xhuo: it shouldn't. |
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| 18:06.48 | xhuo | somiaj: should I try? |
| 18:06.49 | somiaj | xhuo: do you want / to be read-only? Or is this somethig you just haven't figured out who make it not boot it as read only? |
| 18:06.51 | missmbob | Peasant65: not that's recommended. if you must you can use https://www.dotdeb.org |
| 18:07.02 | Peasant65 | I´m quite new to debian (ubuntu user). I heard something about backports, could that be a sollution ? |
| 18:07.11 | xhuo | somiaj: no i don't want it as read-only -- it's read-only ever since i broke my system |
| 18:07.16 | somiaj | xhuo: you have to mount it as read/write in order to do anything, so sure. |
| 18:07.24 | somiaj | xhuo: can you give us a copy of /etc/fstab? |
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| 18:07.48 | somiaj | Peasant65: there is no nice way to get php7 in debian jessie. |
| 18:08.24 | somiaj | Peasant65: there are basically two options. 1) /msg dpkg ssb and make your own backport. 2) dotdeb does have php7 packages, but we generally do not recommend dotdeb packages as they are of low quality and can cause other issues with your system. |
| 18:08.24 | Peasant65 | alright, so what´s wrong with dotdeb ? |
| 18:08.28 | somiaj | !dotdeb |
| 18:08.28 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 18:08.42 | xhuo | somiaj: alright, so i did the remount: now here is the output of apt-get install -f: http://paste.debian.net/848651 and the content of /etc/fstab http://paste.debian.net/848652 |
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| 18:09.21 | xhuo | somiaj: is mountpoint some kind of command, which is maybe in a broken system package that I need to reinstall? |
| 18:09.23 | somiaj | Peasant65: nothing wrong persay, but we will not support dotdeb, their packages may interfeer with your system. And when you think about dist-upgrading to streetch when it is released, you should remove all third party repos (may packages) first -- but this won't be for a while. |
| 18:10.05 | somiaj | xhuo: it is being mounted read-only because your file system is throwing some errors. Do you have a live/recovery system you could boot on an fsck your filesystem? |
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| 18:10.10 | Peasant65 | And debian testing? How would you describe the stabillity of that ? |
| 18:10.14 | jaha885 | How to correctly create encrypted partitions when installing system so i should use only one password to boot mashine? |
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| 18:10.22 | missmbob | Peasant65: never for production |
| 18:10.26 | xhuo | somiaj: yes I could do that |
| 18:10.54 | Peasant65 | missmbob, stable+dotdeb is better than testing ? |
| 18:10.55 | xhuo | somiaj: so should I stop everything now and do this? or is there something else I can try? |
| 18:10.56 | somiaj | xhuo: also check your logs, see if you can figure out why your file system is throwing an error. |
| 18:11.01 | missmbob | Peasant65: yes |
| 18:11.10 | somiaj | xhuo: if your file system has errors, I would suggest fixing that first. |
| 18:11.26 | xhuo | somiaj: i didn't find anything in dmesg; were else should I check the logs? |
| 18:11.42 | somiaj | Peasant65: testing has no security support, so not a good idea for a server. Also being new to debian, testing can be a bumpy ride if you aren't familar with the tools to debug/fix issues you run into. |
| 18:11.56 | somiaj | xhuo: try systemctl status (see if any of the units failed) and journctl |
| 18:12.12 | xhuo | somiaj: systemctl command not found |
| 18:12.12 | Peasant65 | alright, so I think i´m going the stable+dotdeb route then |
| 18:12.13 | somiaj | xhuo: journalctl |
| 18:12.22 | somiaj | xhuo: this is debian jessie running systemd? |
| 18:12.26 | TomTomTo1 | jaha885: you can configure luks to use a keyfile instead of a passphrase. |
| 18:12.33 | xhuo | somiaj: journalctl command not found |
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| 18:12.51 | somiaj | Peasant65: If you have trouble with the dotdeb packages, you need to use their support is the main issue with them. |
| 18:12.55 | Peasant65 | somiaj, I´m indeed a complete noob in debian, but i have some years experience in ubuntu server. |
| 18:13.11 | xhuo | somiaj: not sure what system it is :) it was testing/unstable, then when I tried to downgrade to stable, a lot of packages were uinstalled |
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| 18:13.24 | Peasant65 | I get that :) I won´t bother you guys with dotdeb issues |
| 18:13.54 | somiaj | xhuo: if you are missing systemd and tried to downgrade (which isn't supported) you may be at a place you just need to backup/reinstall |
| 18:14.02 | somiaj | xhuo: probably the safest way to ensure you are running stable. |
| 18:14.03 | teraflops | downgrading sounds like lottery |
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| 18:14.06 | xhuo | somiaj: can't i try to reinstall systemd? |
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| 18:14.42 | xhuo | somiaj: i'm trying apt-get install systemd, this is installing some packages |
| 18:14.45 | somiaj | xhuo: at this point I don't think it is worth it. I think you may have other things that could creep in and cause issues since you attempted to downgrade from testing/unstable to stable. They hvae drifted apart such that it isn't worth it. |
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| 18:15.06 | xhuo | somiaj: journalctl works now |
| 18:15.18 | xhuo | somiaj: ok thanks for your input |
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| 18:15.33 | somiaj | xhuo: anyways, I gotta go. My suggestion is reinstall stable over downgrading (now that I know the situation you are in). |
| 18:15.55 | xhuo | somiaj: np, thanks |
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| 18:20.12 | Anonymes | Hi |
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| 18:26.06 | xhuo | if someone is willing to take over, here is the current output of apt-get install -f: http://paste.debian.net/848706 |
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| 18:27.49 | xhuo | http://paste.debian.net/848717 now that I removed the java packages |
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| 18:32.10 | xhuo | i'm going apt-get dist-upgrade, it's removing and downgrading a bunch of packages so this is good sign |
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| 18:32.47 | xhuo | lots of packages related to kde are being removed |
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| 18:34.51 | jak2000 | how to know the size by directory? |
| 18:34.59 | greycat | du -s * |
| 18:35.00 | jak2000 | du give me a large list |
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| 18:37.36 | digdilem | du -s * |more |
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| 18:38.07 | greycat | normally I'd prefer to let it go and use the terminal's scrolling, but I also configure my terminals to keep a long scrollback history |
| 18:38.13 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Does anyone know how to upgrade to Kal Linux from Debian |
| 18:38.30 | greycat | v3n0mbyt35_: ask #kali-linux |
| 18:38.37 | v3n0mbyt35_ | like migrating from Debian to Kali Linux |
| 18:39.07 | v3n0mbyt35_ | Can't join |
| 18:39.21 | greycat | Why not? Did they kickban you? |
| 18:39.26 | v3n0mbyt35_ | It says you need to be identified with the services. |
| 18:39.34 | greycat | So identify with nickserv. |
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| 18:41.28 | v3n0mbyt35_ | How to do that? |
| 18:41.40 | greycat | /msg nickserv help or ask in #freenode |
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| 18:56.44 | jhutchins | !partiall downgrade |
| 18:56.53 | jhutchins | !partial downgrade |
| 18:56.53 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
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| 19:05.25 | WangDang_ | says Hi |
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| 19:06.21 | Nadeem | Plz help I cannot login to gnome or other desktops, after boot it shows me ttt1 |
| 19:06.50 | greycat | If you login on tty1 and run 'startx', does it work? |
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| 19:07.51 | Nadeem | Startx command says timeout in locking |
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| 19:08.47 | greycat | Googling... do you mean "timeout in locking authority file"? |
| 19:09.00 | Nadeem | I was installing updates and suddenly got black screen ,I did illegally shutdown, and now m having this issue |
| 19:09.42 | Nadeem | Yes greaycat but m not understanding |
| 19:09.49 | greycat | Are you on Raspbian? |
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| 19:10.15 | Nadeem | Raspbian means |
| 19:10.24 | WangDang_ | I'm trying to figure out awk. I want to grab the MAC address of my eth0 interface. I've tried "ifconfig eth0 | grep HWaddr | awk '/HWadddr\ \(*\)$/ {print $1}'". I've also tried with "\1" at the end instead of "$1". Both just print out the empty string. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? |
| 19:10.50 | Nadeem | I cNnot do apt - get update also |
| 19:10.55 | abrotman | there is a #awk |
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| 19:11.09 | teraflops | heh trying to figure awk |
| 19:11.30 | missmbob | WangDang_: ip link show eth0 | awk '/ether/ {print $2}' |
| 19:11.37 | Nadeem | Plz help |
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| 19:11.50 | abrotman | missmbob: took the fun out of it .. |
| 19:12.10 | teraflops | awk is... huge |
| 19:12.40 | greycat | The *most important* part of missmmbob's answer, of course, is that you don't use ifconfig at all. |
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| 19:13.24 | Nadeem | What to do now |
| 19:13.27 | troffasky | ifconfig is now illegal |
| 19:13.35 | greycat | Deprecated, not illegal. |
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| 19:13.45 | abrotman | greycat: that was my point about ruining the fun |
| 19:14.14 | teraflops | hehe |
| 19:14.19 | abrotman | ifconfig has been deprecated for .. 10 years? |
| 19:14.28 | Nadeem | Is it becoz packages didn't installed correctly |
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| 19:14.42 | WangDang_ | missmbob: that works! Still doesn't tell me why mine didn't |
| 19:14.53 | Nadeem | What to do now??????) |
| 19:14.58 | teraflops | sorry my laugh is sane not meant to be offensive it's just Friday |
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| 19:16.20 | WangDang | Yeah, I use ip some of the time. I still don't understand it well so I often fall back on ifconfig |
| 19:16.33 | Nadeem | was installing updates and suddenly got black screen ,I did illegally shutdown, and now I cNnot login into gnome or anything, I get tty1 after boot |
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| 19:16.55 | somiaj | Nadeem: you were able to boot into a console? |
| 19:17.12 | greycat | He still never gave a coherent answer to "Are you on Raspbian?" |
| 19:17.35 | Nadeem | I m on debian |
| 19:17.52 | greycat | What were you upgrading *from* and *to*? What "updates" were you applying? |
| 19:17.57 | Nadeem | I see only tyy1 |
| 19:18.11 | Nadeem | System updates |
| 19:18.21 | xhuo | my apt-get is now in a stable state; which packages should I reinstall to obtain the core of debian? |
| 19:18.25 | abrotman | Nadeem: which veresion of Linux are you running? |
| 19:18.36 | somiaj | !standard |
| 19:18.37 | dpkg | standard task is, like, a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 19:18.39 | Nadeem | Debian 8.6 |
| 19:18.40 | somiaj | xhuo: ^^ |
| 19:19.28 | Nadeem | Linux 3.16.0.4 |
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| 19:20.24 | Nadeem | Greycat: I was installing system updates |
| 19:20.50 | greycat | Did the updates complete? |
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| 19:21.07 | troffasky | might be worth looking in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 19:21.16 | abrotman | I think that's unknown, he suggested he forced a shutdown |
| 19:21.32 | greycat | (And the reason I asked you about raspbian was because the third google result for "startx timeout locking" was for Raspbian.) |
| 19:21.54 | Nadeem | I dont know , they were running I'n background, I watching video And suddenly black screen ,with os freesed |
| 19:22.19 | greycat | Probably worth trying "apt-get -f install" and/or "dpkg --configure -a" at this point. |
| 19:22.28 | Nadeem | I did |
| 19:22.33 | greycat | See if you can get the updates to finish. |
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| 19:26.21 | xhuo | somiaj: btw i tried the fsck on a live usb but it didn't find anything |
| 19:26.32 | WangDang | missmbob: I figured out why my script didn' t work. Your is better, of course. Thanks for the recipe |
| 19:26.51 | xhuo | somiaj: i'll try to reboot now to see if it mounts correctly now after all the packages that were downgraded |
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| 19:29.28 | xhuo | somiaj: i rebooted my system and it mounted correctly! |
| 19:29.32 | xhuo | ,,standard |
| 19:29.34 | xhuo | ,standard |
| 19:29.53 | xhuo | somiaj: what is the standard stuff you linked me? can you link again please? |
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| 19:31.37 | WangDang | !standard |
| 19:31.37 | dpkg | methinks standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 19:32.15 | xhuo | WangDang: can I run it? |
| 19:32.19 | Nadeem | Greycat: on apt-update I get this error , the value stable is invalid |
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| 19:33.16 | Nadeem | I Also m not Able to connect to internet on it now |
| 19:33.21 | xhuo | !tasksel |
| 19:33.21 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 19:33.43 | xhuo | !standard task |
| 19:33.43 | dpkg | hmm... standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 19:33.48 | greycat | ... /me STOPS himself before telling nadeem how to paste shit to the web with commands |
| 19:33.52 | Nadeem | Ping google.com shows host unknown |
| 19:34.21 | greycat | I don't know how to help you at this point. Every single thing about your system is broken and you can't even seem to report error messages to us. |
| 19:34.26 | xhuo | when running tasksel, should I install Debian desktop environment or just KDE (if I want KDE) |
| 19:35.07 | Nadeem | What to do now |
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| 19:35.54 | xhuo | i'll try just KDE we'll see :) |
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| 19:36.12 | Nadeem | Greycat: what should I do |
| 19:36.32 | greycat | I don't know how to help you at this point. Every single thing about your system is broken and you can't even seem to report error messages to us. |
| 19:36.38 | troffasky | restore from backup |
| 19:36.58 | Nadeem | I didn't had taken |
| 19:37.03 | Nadeem | Backup |
| 19:37.08 | greycat | Should have been obvious. |
| 19:37.31 | Nadeem | I recently switched to debian |
| 19:37.40 | xhuo | Nadeem: what's your problem? |
| 19:37.55 | teraflops | not having backups |
| 19:38.14 | greycat | I doubt he had backups before switching to Debian either. |
| 19:38.18 | troffasky | reinstall then |
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| 19:38.55 | Nadeem | Xhuo: I was installing updates on my debian system, suddenly black screen I had to shutdown illegally |
| 19:39.08 | Nadeem | Xhuo: now I see only tty1 |
| 19:39.34 | greycat | xhuo: But wait! There's more! |
| 19:39.43 | greycat | 15:33 Nadeem> I Also m not Able to connect to internet on it now |
| 19:40.05 | xhuo | Nadeem: so are you know talking to us from another computer? |
| 19:40.28 | xhuo | greycat: maybe he should connect through ethernet to fix his system? |
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| 19:41.04 | Nadeem | As I connect my cell to system using USB tethering, and I write ping Google.com I get unknown host |
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| 19:41.26 | xhuo | Nadeem: can you connect your computer through an ethernet cable? |
| 19:41.49 | Nadeem | Xhuo: then what |
| 19:42.28 | xhuo | Nadeem: do you have internet now? |
| 19:42.38 | Nadeem | Yes |
| 19:42.42 | Nadeem | On cell |
| 19:42.56 | xhuo | Nadeem: what about on the computer? |
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| 19:43.24 | Nadeem | I have WiFi router but don't know how to connect using terminal |
| 19:43.45 | xhuo | Nadeem: do you have a cable? ethernet cable? |
| 19:43.51 | Nadeem | Nope |
| 19:44.03 | xhuo | Nadeem: so you connect directly your router to your computer using the cable |
| 19:44.12 | xhuo | Nadeem: ok that's too bad :( |
| 19:44.22 | xhuo | Nadeem: you can still probably connect to wifi using the terminal |
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| 19:46.47 | xhuo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.48 | troffasky | do you use network manager? think you need nmtui or nm-tui or something |
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| 19:58.52 | xhuo | i am having the following issue with package libtwolame0 http://paste.debian.net/848942 |
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| 20:02.46 | tomnor | After a gameplay with tuxracer my screen is distorded, how to repaint the screen? |
| 20:03.07 | xhuo | is there a way to solve this package issue? |
| 20:03.08 | tomnor | other than systemctl restart gdm.service |
| 20:03.51 | jhutchins | xhuo: You may have been thinking of nm-cli, but you don't need network manager. |
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| 20:04.23 | jhutchins | xhuo: There are a number of cli utilities to set the connection up, or you can use the interfaces file. |
| 20:04.51 | jhutchins | xhuo: nm is mainly useful if you use multiple networks. |
| 20:05.26 | xhuo | jhutchins: ok i see |
| 20:05.49 | jhutchins | tomnor: I think that's what I'd do. You can try switching screens, but you usually need to restart X. |
| 20:05.57 | xhuo | jhutchins: do you have an idea about the issue with the libtwolame0 package? http://paste.debian.net/848942 |
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| 20:06.20 | jhutchins | xhuo: Nope |
| 20:06.35 | tomnor | by changing the wallpaper it fixes /that/ desktop but in a terminal for |
| 20:06.35 | tomnor | example it stays distorted |
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| 20:07.11 | tomnor | so I am thinking one should be able to repaint everything w/o restarting |
| 20:07.11 | tomnor | the server |
| 20:07.50 | abrotman | tomnor: try another fullscreen app ? |
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| 20:08.33 | tomnor | what is a fullscreen app.. ahh, you mean other than tuxracer |
| 20:09.05 | tom99 | tuxracer is a fullscreen app. what else would you need |
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| 20:09.52 | tomnor | abrotman: can you suggest another racing game? |
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| 20:10.57 | troffasky | how aboutr xrandr --auto ? |
| 20:11.18 | troffasky | might need some twearking if you've got a complex setup |
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| 20:13.38 | tomnor | troffasky: xrandr might be something to repaint/repair a display? |
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| 20:18.35 | troffasky | yeah that was the idea |
| 20:18.59 | troffasky | xrandr --auto by itself causes my display to blink once |
| 20:19.00 | xhuo | i was able to reinstall the packages for kde, but when i boot KDE, i obtain a debian background, with a terminal in the top left corner, and nothing at all on the desktop |
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| 20:26.47 | WangDang | I've another awk question. I'd like to put the "ip link show eth0 | awk '/ether/ {print $2}'" command in a script and I'd like the output of the command to be assigned to a variable in the script. When I try "ip ... | awk '/ether/ {MAC_ADDR=print $2}'" or "ip ... | awk '/ether/ {MAC_ADDR = $2}'" I get nothing. Is there a way I can get that mac address into a variable? |
| 20:27.03 | greycat | var=$(ip link show | awk '...') |
| 20:27.13 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/002 |
| 20:27.27 | WangDang | greycat: thanks |
| 20:27.42 | abrotman | there must be a #bash for questions like this .. |
| 20:28.20 | greycat | Yes, that's actually a shell/bash question and not an awk question. Hence it being in the BashFAQ. |
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| 20:32.19 | tom99 | yes i assigned a variable just the other day. I let a=3. |
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| 20:32.33 | tom99 | First in my .profile and then in my .bashrc, to see which one would affect the next shell I created. |
| 20:32.38 | greycat | Congratulations. |
| 20:32.48 | tom99 | There's probaby something going on with subshell inheritance |
| 20:32.55 | xhuo | i don't understand why my kde desktop is broken while apt-get says something is installed and up to date :( |
| 20:32.57 | tom99 | because once I set a variable and typed bash it was still set |
| 20:33.02 | greycat | Of course the experiment would have been a little more interesting if you had assigned different values of a in each of those files. |
| 20:33.25 | greycat | If you type 'bash', that's not a subshell. But it would read .bashrc again. |
| 20:33.47 | tom99 | greycat: the actual question I had was why was .profile only affecting some shells that weren't interactive or login or something but .bashrc did. |
| 20:34.00 | greycat | That's what .bashrc is *for*. |
| 20:34.09 | xhuo | i was able to start plasma-desktop but everything seems broken, it doesn't even detect the wifi network |
| 20:34.20 | greycat | Every time you run a new interactive non-login shell, it reads .bashrc. |
| 20:34.32 | greycat | That's where you put the things that have to be recreated every time, like aliases. |
| 20:34.41 | tom99 | The manual hinted as much greycat. Saying that interactive login shells read .bashrc. But man pages are shit so it didn't say it like that lol |
| 20:34.59 | greycat | No. Interactive login shells read ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login or ~/.profile. |
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| 20:35.26 | tom99 | interactive non-login, excuse me |
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| 20:35.44 | tom99 | yeah so there's .profile, /etc/profile, then .bash_profile, .bash_login, and finally .bashrc |
| 20:35.52 | tom99 | it's a little hard to keep them straight for me |
| 20:36.08 | tommd | I would like a vagrant/debian box that uses BTRFS (for testing/playing). Does this already exist? |
| 20:36.20 | tom99 | What is the definition of a login shell anyway, the first one you get? |
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| 20:36.27 | tomnor | troffasky: thanks, I will try xrandr next time I have the problem |
| 20:36.29 | greycat | Put aliases, functions, sets and shopts in ~/.bashrc. Put environment variables in your login file, which depends on HOW you login. |
| 20:36.29 | tommd | Or rather: does anyone here know of such a system? I've googled some and will keep looking myself. |
| 20:36.52 | greycat | tom99: man bash, INVOCATION section. |
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| 20:37.25 | greycat | tom99: The part that you won't get from this man page is WHEN the magic '-' is given. It's given by login(1). |
| 20:37.29 | tom99 | greycat: I A login shell is one whose first character of argument zero is a -, or one started with the --login option. |
| 20:38.04 | tom99 | "The login program is used to establish a new session with the system" |
| 20:38.05 | greycat | It's also given by sshd(8) under the right conditions. |
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| 20:38.36 | tom99 | is argument zero a pedantic way of saying the program's name? |
| 20:38.44 | greycat | It is argv[0] in C. |
| 20:38.52 | tom99 | right. tat's the program name |
| 20:38.58 | greycat | It is the name of the program AS STATED by the parent who created it. |
| 20:39.12 | greycat | login runs your shell with a '-' character prefixed to it. |
| 20:39.13 | tom99 | oh like the parent process? |
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| 20:39.44 | greycat | If you login on a text console and type ps -fp $$ you will see it. |
| 20:40.00 | tom99 | I mean that's like saying a tire is affixed to the first vehicle one gets into in the morning to go to work, instead of saying a tire goes on your car |
| 20:40.35 | greycat | login runs /bin/bash but it runs it with argv[0] = "-bash" as you will see if you actually run the experiment. |
| 20:40.53 | greycat | This tells bash that it is a login shell and should read /etc/profile and so on. |
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| 20:41.12 | greycat | Ancient Unix hackery. |
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| 20:42.02 | xhuo | i am having an issue when trying to install acpi-support http://paste.debian.net/849071 |
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| 20:42.48 | missmbob | xhuo: you're still rambling...why? |
| 20:42.49 | jhutchins | xhuo: Please summarize the problem rather than just posting a paste. |
| 20:43.35 | greycat | On the other hand, when you launch a new xterm from your window manager, /bin/bash (from $SHELL) is run *without* a leading '-' in argv[0]. This tells bash that it is NOT a login shell, so it only reads /etc/bash.bashrc (a Debian extension) and ~/.bashrc |
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| 20:44.43 | greycat | Environment variables are inherited from the terminal, which inherited them from the window manager, which inherited them from the login profiles, so those don't need to be repeated. .bashrc lets you recreate the aliases, functions, and so on. |
| 20:45.59 | xhuo | jhutchins: my system was in a messed up state (still is) after a failed downgrade; i think i may be missing some important packages because when i boot in kde plasma, the desktop is all messed up (no window header, etc.) |
| 20:46.23 | xhuo | jhutchins: the wifi is not detected at all by network manager |
| 20:46.24 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables is pretty decent; I edited it recently. |
| 20:46.51 | xhuo | jhutchins: so i am trying to see which packages i am missing: for instance i get dependency errors when trying to install acpi-support |
| 20:47.09 | abrotman | xhuo: you might want to try aptitude |
| 20:47.56 | unborn | jhutchins: he did summaries at the best his issue - to paste bin. debian can is in this case like - dont you dear ask us till you have a prove... aka - show me and I will deal with it.. story...its been long time - since 2007.. you will have even folks who will apologise before the question.. |
| 20:47.56 | jhutchins | xhuo: You have already spent more time than a reinstall would take. |
| 20:48.16 | jhutchins | xhuo: Do you understand now why we nag people to make backups? |
| 20:49.07 | jhutchins | xhuo: Dependency errors mean you still have mixed versions of some packages. |
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| 20:49.56 | xhuo | jhutchins: it's not about backups, what do you think i don't have one? i don't mind reinstalling, i have full backups, and even now i have access to the file system, i am just having fun here... it's not wasted time imo |
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| 20:50.33 | unborn | ..and thats why people avoiding debian it self - the most best os on a world |
| 20:50.38 | jhutchins | xhuo: Did you try the procedure suggested by /msg dpkg partial downgrade? |
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| 20:51.49 | xhuo | jhutchins: no i will try, but how do i know the right versions? |
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| 20:52.52 | xhuo | abrotman: aptitude suggests to remove a bunch of kde packages to solve the problem with package libtwolame0 |
| 20:53.36 | abrotman | xhuo: apt-cache policy libtwolame0 |
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| 20:55.19 | xhuo | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/849113 i saw that there was a bug report about this package and multiarch compatibility |
| 20:56.06 | xhuo | abrotman: sorry but i cannot link it from here, but it's the first result on google when searching bug debian libtwolame0 multiarch |
| 20:56.25 | teraflops | sorry I have to say it. xhuo you could have installed debian 3 times in the time you've here with your issue |
| 20:57.04 | xhuo | teraflops: yep, i even have the live usb ready to do it |
| 20:57.35 | missmbob | i'll never understand why people install with live |
| 20:57.43 | zykotick9 | missmbob: +1 |
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| 20:58.23 | troffasky | i guess you'll never know |
| 20:58.43 | xhuo | missmbob: i wanted the live boot to chroot into my system and reinstall the kernel, because i had accidentally removed the linux kernel |
| 20:59.01 | teraflops | xhuo: and please dont's say all of it is becasue you want to learn |
| 20:59.29 | xhuo | teraflops: what's the reason then? |
| 21:00.53 | teraflops | idk it's just a waste of time for all the people involved, and please don't take it bad it's just I've been here a lot of time |
| 21:01.47 | xhuo | teraflops: it's ok i understand |
| 21:02.06 | teraflops | xhuo: no offense intended |
| 21:02.11 | xhuo | if noone wants to help i accept it, move on, and reinstall, it's not really a problem |
| 21:02.35 | xhuo | but i am grateful for all the help i have already received, the system is now in much better shape than when it has no kernel anymore |
| 21:02.49 | xhuo | you could see it as a personal challenge |
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| 21:05.39 | xhuo | oh i purged the package and did apt-get install -f, it's fixing stuff now |
| 21:05.55 | xhuo | wow many packages were not configured because of this one |
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| 21:09.31 | abrotman | xhuo: sorry, I"m still at work, got distracted |
| 21:09.36 | abrotman | well, I mean, it's my work :) |
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| 21:10.06 | abrotman | xhuo: i'd probably let the lame package get removed, and install it again later |
| 21:10.30 | xhuo | abrotman: everything got solved when i purged the package with dpkg |
| 21:10.43 | abrotman | see :) |
| 21:10.52 | xhuo | now i did apt-get install -f and all the packages were configured |
| 21:11.02 | greycat | 12:44 greycat> Purge everything that isn't part of the jessie core. Then MAYBE you have a prayer of it working, and maybe not. |
| 21:11.04 | xhuo | i am restarted the plasma desktop and everything looks nice |
| 21:11.09 | greycat | Four and a half HOURS. |
| 21:11.18 | greycat | You can see why I have him on /ignore. |
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| 21:12.19 | xhuo | greycat: i also had diner :) |
| 21:12.32 | xhuo | that was a nice evening, sorry if i bothered anyone |
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| 21:14.05 | abrotman | oh sure .. he eats .. we're all here worried, I saw one fellow crying |
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| 21:15.32 | xhuo | :) |
| 21:15.51 | xhuo | thanks to everyone who helped! |
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| 21:17.31 | kuleszdl | Hi...for editing the DebianWiki, can I just register or is it for "special" people? :) |
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| 21:18.08 | zykotick9 | hehe |
| 21:19.19 | greycat | kuleszdl: I'm not special, and they let me edit it, but I registered so long ago that the vetting process may be completely different now. Try it and see? |
| 21:19.48 | TomTomTosch | kuleszdl: it sometimes denies new registrations, in which case instructions are provided on how to proceed. |
| 21:21.06 | kuleszdl | well, it allowed me to register but I could not login, nor did I get any email |
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| 21:54.11 | d3lphi | hi all. I am on a Debian Jessie 8.3 64bit VM an did run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade". I did see that a new linux-image were installed, new initrd created, and of course a lots of packages upgraded. Now after rebooting I see following error messages: |
| 21:54.42 | d3lphi | "[FAILED] Failed to start LSB: NFS support files common to client and server. See 'systemctl status nfs-common.service' for details." and "[FAILED] Failed to start System Logging Service. See 'systemctl status rsyslog.service' for details." |
| 21:55.34 | d3lphi | "[FAILED] Failed to start The PHP FastCGI Process Manager.See 'systemctl status php5-fpm.service' for details." and "[FAILED] Failed to start Login Service.See 'systemctl status systemd-logind.service' for details." I do not get any login prompt any more :( and I also cannot login through SSH anymore. What happened here? any help appreciated |
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| 22:00.06 | teraflops | Kulrak: wait for an email |
| 22:01.00 | mtn | d3lphi: what are you upgrading to? testing or something? |
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| 22:02.18 | teraflops | Kulrak: I wrote an email directly iirc |
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| 22:03.14 | d3lphi | mtn: no Jessie stable |
| 22:03.47 | mtn | d3lphi: how many packages were upgraded? you said lots, that is not common with stable |
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| 22:04.25 | d3lphi | mtn: I have done a screenshot at luck while upgrading, let me show you that... just a sec. .. |
| 22:04.35 | teraflops | Kulrak: yeah I can confirm. I wrote an email to wiki@debian.org directly |
| 22:04.43 | d3lphi | mtn: where can I upload jpg files for free? |
| 22:04.48 | mtn | d3lphi: imgur.com |
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| 22:04.53 | teraflops | huh |
| 22:05.15 | teraflops | ptpb looks saner |
| 22:05.55 | teraflops | https://ptpb.pw/TzvM.png |
| 22:06.53 | troffasky | teraflops, worst screenshot ever |
| 22:07.20 | teraflops | it's not about the screenshot as you already know |
| 22:08.46 | d3lphi | mtn: http://imgur.com/a/5gNKR |
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| 22:11.38 | d3lphi | mtn: this is my /etc/apt/sources.list --> http://paste.debian.net/849270/ I did run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade". The dist-upgrade installed only a few packages, something for "clamav" and some "samba4" stuff |
| 22:12.36 | mtn | d3lphi: did you do what the error said and run those commands to see what the problem was? |
| 22:13.00 | d3lphi | mtn: what you mean? |
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| 22:13.26 | mtn | d3lphi: read what you pasted here at the beginning. it tells you to run a command to see what went wrong. did you do that? |
| 22:13.40 | mtn | d3lphi: such as: See 'systemctl status rsyslog.service' for details." |
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| 22:16.40 | d3lphi | mtn: I cannot login to my system any more. The only thing I could do is adding the text "single" to the VM boot options and the VM starts in single mode. But there I have only a limited command space |
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| 22:19.30 | d3lphi | mtn: this is what the console of this VM looks like actually --> http://imgur.com/a/ddGiL |
| 22:20.01 | mtn | d3lphi: at that point could you do ctrl+alt+F2 and get to a tty? |
| 22:20.02 | d3lphi | what should I do now ? how can I boot safe into the VM for example to check "systemctl" commands or maybe masking a service |
| 22:20.14 | d3lphi | mtn: no unfortunately not |
| 22:20.33 | d3lphi | mtn: I could pass boot options to the VM, butI have no clue what kind of boot options. This is Xenserver VM |
| 22:20.45 | d3lphi | I could also pass init=something |
| 22:21.12 | d3lphi | maybe I could try to boot my old kernel+config somehow? I know the content of the /boot directory (have screenshots) |
| 22:21.33 | d3lphi | I also did read https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=764298 I am not sure if this is related to my issue I am running into |
| 22:21.34 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/764298 in systemd (closed, patch): «"Failed to start Login Service." after upgrade to 215-5+b1»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-10-06; last modified: 2015-04-02. |
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| 22:22.14 | mtn | d3lphi: you should be able to choose older kernels in the grub boot menu |
| 22:22.28 | d3lphi | mtn: I get no grub boot menu when booting this vm |
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| 22:23.12 | mtn | d3lphi: what does uname -a give you? |
| 22:23.54 | d3lphi | mtn: let me add the word "single" to the VMs boot options and reboot it ... just a sec |
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| 22:25.08 | d3lphi | mtn: Linux myhostname 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:25.19 | d3lphi | I'm in single/safe mode now |
| 22:26.42 | d3lphi | mtn: when I run "systemctl status systemd-logind.service" it says inactive/dead |
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| 22:27.23 | d3lphi | --> http://paste.debian.net/849331/ |
| 22:28.04 | d3lphi | I know this VM was running systemd before the upgrade, I checked that already. So it definitely WAS on systemd |
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| 22:29.57 | mtn | d3lphi: sorry, it is beyond me |
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| 22:33.42 | d3lphi | anyone else can help please? I'm really stuck at the moment :/ |
| 22:33.46 | d3lphi | any help appreciated |
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| 22:35.49 | awal1 | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 22:35.51 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.6+74~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7+75; stretch: 4.7+75 |
| 22:36.46 | awal1 | d3lphi, you still so with wheezy? |
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| 22:38.20 | awal1 | nvm, I missed the whole topic :P |
| 22:38.47 | d3lphi | awal1: I was/am on Jessie |
| 22:39.00 | mtn | awal1: he says jessie, but using a wheezy kernel, for some reason |
| 22:39.32 | d3lphi | I did run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. I have no clue why I am still using a wheezy kernel?? |
| 22:39.38 | d3lphi | how to check/fix that? |
| 22:40.41 | awal1 | yeah, that what I dont "understand"; how one upgrade , maybe successfully, from wheezy to jessie but the system still using wheezy kernel |
| 22:40.59 | mtn | d3lphi: it has something to do with the vm you are using |
| 22:41.43 | awal1 | d3lphi, your migration from wheezy to jessie was successful? |
| 22:42.15 | d3lphi | awal1: it's long time ago but I do not remember issues |
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| 22:42.57 | awal1 | not sure but support for wheezy ended in past April/ May |
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| 22:44.05 | awal1 | systemd was available for wheezy, but it wasn't the default init system |
| 22:45.21 | d3lphi | awal1: can you explain to me, please how I can troubleshoot my issue? or maybe how to revert back if possible? I have a backup/snapshot "before" the upgrade in urgency case |
| 22:45.47 | d3lphi | or even explain to me how to get the latest kernel installed while in safe/single mode |
| 22:46.12 | awal1 | d3lphi, any errors when you run apt-get / aptitude -f install ? |
| 22:46.54 | aedinius | I'm having issues with spicy not displaying on my intel host. it works fine on the others, using the same VM and everything. both are running the same version |
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| 22:48.57 | d3lphi | awal1: the problem is I cannot run commands like "apt-get". I am in safe/single mode and this command is not available. Here you see how my /boot dir looks like. Maybe I can pass a init=something to the VM to boot from the newer 3.16..0-4 kernel ?? |
| 22:49.00 | awal1 | d3lphi, as mtn said, your issue is also beyond me; I'm just trying, maybe, to find a possible solution-piste for orientate your research for solve your problem |
| 22:49.32 | awal1 | I meant explorate other pistes |
| 22:49.46 | somiaj | the only way you'll get a newer kernel during the upgrade is if you have the kernel meta package installed |
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| 22:49.58 | somiaj | if for some reason you didn't hvae that meta package installed, it won't automatically pull in the new kernel and you'll have to do that manually |
| 22:50.02 | zykotick9 | aedinius: do you mean with virt-manager from stable? if so, do you know how to verify what a current vm is using for video? it says default new VMs are to use spice for graphics type, and work fine on my intel graphics laptop. |
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| 22:51.37 | teraflops | aedinius: mind being more specific? spicy as in spice-client? intel as in intel gpu? not showing what? same version and everyhing? what's that testing? stable? the issue is on the guest or the host? |
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| 22:52.59 | aedinius | intel gpu. spice-client, yes. same version on both, connecting to the same vm yields different results. using qxl as driver for the client |
| 22:53.12 | d3lphi | awal1: how can I install the latest kernel now in safe mode? |
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| 22:55.14 | aedinius | it seems to boot fine, but as soon as the OS loads (and the qxl driver gets initialized) the screen goes black, but I have determined it responds to commands (blindly) |
| 22:55.40 | aedinius | (I can log in and execute something) |
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| 22:56.47 | zykotick9 | notes, he also uses qxl for video - on stable... and it works as expected. |
| 22:57.21 | awal1 | d3lphi, in real hardware debian provides some tutorials in it's wiki; sorry, no clue when it's a VM related |
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| 23:08.16 | d3lphi | how can I pass a boot option to a Debian machine and tell the machine which vmlinuz (kernel) and initrd and config to use ? |
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| 23:32.07 | aedinius | zykotick9: it works fine on the host running nvidia, and that's the only difference I can tell between the two |
| 23:32.16 | aedinius | zykotick9: same VM even |
| 23:32.38 | aedinius | Tested with two VMs, same beahhavior |
| 23:33.01 | zykotick9 | aedinius: my host & client are the same intel gpu/cpu laptop. |
| 23:34.19 | aedinius | same here. and i have my desktop setup the same way. and i connected from desktop to vm on laptop and laptop to vm on desktop, and in both cases, it fails to display only on the laptop |
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| 23:41.31 | Gerowen | Anybody know if USB 3.0 speeds can keep up with the read/write speed of a 5400 RPM drive? Getting ready to install Debian and the hard drive is currently in an external enclosure, and I'm just curious if I'll experience any bottlenecks. |
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| 23:46.16 | BishamonX | Hey, guys. This question was probably asked many times, I'm not very good in keeping up. Has Google announced any plans for an offician Google Drive linux client? |
| 23:46.34 | BishamonX | official* |
| 23:47.03 | cra1g321 | nope |
| 23:47.04 | toruvinn | Gerowen, eeh, should happen easily. USB3 is pretty fast. however you may want to use an UAS enclosure, not an old usb storage one. gotta say i have no idea whether Linux supports UAS, but i'd say yes, it does, even earlier than Windows did... |
| 23:47.44 | toruvinn | oh he left... great. |
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| 23:48.10 | BishamonX | I'm loving my Debian experience so far, the one thing keeping it from being perfect is Google Drive. :( |
| 23:53.24 | missmbob | BishamonX: it's supported in testing. kind of a bitch jessie doesnt have it |
| 23:54.13 | BishamonX | It is? Enlighten me, please. I'm running Debian Stretch (testing). |
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| 23:54.49 | missmbob | then look up gnome-control-center (click on online-accounts). add google. then it'll show google drive in nautilus and thunar (not sure if any other file managers) |
| 23:55.26 | BishamonX | Ah, yeah. I'm aware of that. Thank you very much. Sadly it only shows the files, doesn't actually download them. |
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| 23:59.32 | BishamonX | I'm curious, if you don't mind me asking. What is the popular DE amongst geeks nowadays? Lol |
| 23:59.42 | tom99 | Debian-sid? |
