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| 00:02.12 | pingfloyd | is it a good idea to reboot after a firmware package upgrade to make sure to catch any potential issues they may cause? |
| 00:02.28 | dvs | I would |
| 00:02.40 | pingfloyd | i.e., are they really only loaded on a fresh restart? |
| 00:03.21 | pingfloyd | i.e., when the hardware is reinitialized |
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| 00:04.31 | pingfloyd | actually I think I will, I'd rather encounter a potential issue while it's still fresh in mind than a month later after forgetting I updated them |
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| 00:05.51 | ADubhlaoich | Install seems to be going grand, though I only seem to have half a glass worth of whiskey |
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| 00:07.49 | somiaj | pingfloyd: reboot is the easiest way, but you can just unload/reload the moudle that needs the firmware. |
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| 00:08.17 | pingfloyd | somiaj: thanks |
| 00:08.41 | SpaceAce | hey guys. I'm trying to run sqlcmd and I'm getting |
| 00:08.42 | SpaceAce | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error' |
| 00:08.42 | SpaceAce | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.59 | SpaceAce | Can't figure it out. I've changed my locale |
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| 00:14.27 | N0Lif3 | Do you guys intentionally try to make stretch and sid installations of Debian as broken as possible? |
| 00:14.40 | somiaj | SpaceAce: is sqlcmd something installed from debian or third party? |
| 00:14.43 | N0Lif3 | I feel like I was flatout pranked |
| 00:14.56 | SpaceAce | somiaj, it's a debian package |
| 00:15.05 | SpaceAce | i'm having issues changing my locale, too |
| 00:15.09 | dvs | N0Lif3, you don't install stretch or sid unless you're testing the installer |
| 00:15.16 | SpaceAce | -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.utf8) |
| 00:15.28 | somiaj | N0Lif3: I'm running stretch and have run sid and it works. But they are a moving target and they have bugs (sometimes lots of bugs). If you are not use to how to debug things in debian it is not suggested you run them (they are not considered releases yet) |
| 00:15.50 | N0Lif3 | I installed debian-stretch-DI-alpha7-amd64-netinst.iso on my laptop with KDE. I just tried to uninstall VLC using Discover and it decided to uninstall ~ EVERYTHING ~ |
| 00:15.52 | simonlnu | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:15.55 | N0Lif3 | Everything is gone |
| 00:15.57 | N0Lif3 | even KDE |
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| 00:16.01 | somiaj | SpaceAce: is the 'locales' package installed? Maybe try dpkg-reconfigure locales to generate the locales you need. |
| 00:16.07 | N0Lif3 | All I did was click to uninstall VLC |
| 00:16.09 | missmbob | N0Lif3: the "alpha" bit should've given you a hint. you're not supposed to use it |
| 00:16.25 | N0Lif3 | nice prank whoever put that in |
| 00:16.27 | jmcnaught | N0Lif3: there was no confirmation dialog listing the packages that would be removed? |
| 00:16.28 | missmbob | N0Lif3: you install stable and then upgrade to stretch if that's what you want. that's how you install it - not directly |
| 00:16.35 | somiaj | N0Lif3: that is because VLC is considered part of KDE, and when you uininstall that, it uninstalls the meta package. You need to set some of the other core kde packages to manual and pay attention to what apt is doing. |
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| 00:17.41 | jmcnaught | keeping VLC on your computer is another option, it doesn't take up that much space |
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| 00:18.48 | N0Lif3 | making VLC some kinda meta "crucial package" is stupidity. It's just a video player |
| 00:19.01 | somiaj | N0Lif3: it isn't critical. It is just how packages work. |
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| 00:19.29 | somiaj | N0Lif3: lets say you install a package, and it pulls in lots of dependencies. When you uninstall that package, apt will also uninstall the extra dependencies it installed thinking they are not needed any more. |
| 00:19.50 | N0Lif3 | ah yes, don't need VLC. So obviously I dont need KDE anymore |
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| 00:20.07 | N0Lif3 | let me just smash the laptop with a hammer. If I dont need VLC, I dont need a laptop |
| 00:20.15 | somiaj | N0Lif3: well in this case all you needed to do was see that kde was being removed say no, and then go check a bit more basic kde packages to be manual. |
| 00:20.32 | somiaj | N0Lif3: but instead of trying to understand what it is apt did and why you are thinking it was poorly designed which is not the case. |
| 00:20.35 | somiaj | !kde |
| 00:20.36 | dpkg | KDE software is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde>. You can also get KDE-specific help in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net) or in other KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels . Also check out http://wiki.debian.org/KDE . |
| 00:20.53 | themill | N0Lif3: vlc is not just a video player; it *is* a crucial part of KDE |
| 00:21.43 | somiaj | N0Lif3: marking the package 'kde-standard' as manual may have helped. |
| 00:22.07 | Thasan | hi. What kind permission /etc/exim4/passwd.client suposed to have? my mails dosent send and log says: failed to expand (long code here) while checking a list: failed to open /etc/exim4/passwd.client for linear search: Permission denied (euid=105 egid=110) |
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| 00:24.10 | N0Lif3 | People aren't going to believe me when I told them I was able to break a Debian installation by uninstalling VLC. |
| 00:24.21 | N0Lif3 | I hope you realize how ridiculous this is |
| 00:24.27 | themill | You didn't break the installation. |
| 00:24.48 | jmcnaught | Thasan: did you check which user uid 105 is? ("id 105"), and "ls -l /etc/exim4/passwd.client" ? |
| 00:24.54 | dvs | Nope, you just don't have a GUI anymore |
| 00:24.59 | N0Lif3 | I reboot the system and I'm just at a black command line |
| 00:25.12 | themill | That's not a broken installation by any stretch |
| 00:25.16 | dvs | N0Lif3, yeah, no GUI |
| 00:25.26 | themill | That's "I asked apt to remove something and it did". |
| 00:25.46 | dvs | ,v kde-core |
| 00:25.47 | judd | No package named 'kde-core' was found in amd64. |
| 00:25.59 | N0Lif3 | I uninstalled it using Discover. That's what any joe-schmoe using this system for the first time is going to do |
| 00:26.00 | themill | (corollary: ask it to put it back and it will) |
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| 00:27.54 | somiaj | N0Lif3: just reinstall kde, from the command line run 'apt-get install kde-standard' |
| 00:28.18 | somiaj | Discover? What is that, I don't recongize that package manager for debian? Do you mean synamptic? |
| 00:28.51 | N0Lif3 | kde plasma didn't come bundled with synaptic. it's his own cruddy package manager called Discover |
| 00:28.53 | themill | there's some package & themes manager in plasma 5 |
| 00:28.54 | somiaj | ahh, its a kde app, plasma-discover. |
| 00:28.57 | Thasan | hmm.. 105 seems to be Debian-exim but owner was systemd-timesync weird... |
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| 00:29.54 | somiaj | N0Lif3: anyways, this is default behavior with packages that are auto-installed. In the future I suggest paying attention to what any option does and not just click yes. But to fix your problem, run that command I gave you, and you should be able to boot back into kde just fine. |
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| 00:30.16 | dvs | run it as root! |
| 00:30.48 | jmcnaught | Thasan: i don't use exim4. that user probably only needs read access to that file, but you should check the documentation. There's a Debian doc for exim4 in /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/ (or one of the exim4 directories there) |
| 00:30.54 | N0Lif3 | already on it |
| 00:31.24 | themill | somiaj: this is even stronger than that -- there is a direct Depends on vlc because it is a core library for a pile of packages |
| 00:31.43 | N0Lif3 | im never using Discover again. It gave no such warnings. I know that apt-get would've warned me it was about to remove KDE |
| 00:31.48 | somiaj | themill: yea I was trying to find that depends. I didn't realize kde has such a hard depends on vlc. I didn't see it in the meta packages though. |
| 00:32.18 | somiaj | isn't there a judd command that will tell how if one package depends on the other? |
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| 00:32.51 | themill | it's not in the metapackages because it's part of the sound system already -- it isn't there as the "this is the media player you might want" |
| 00:33.22 | Thasan | I changed owner to Debian-exim and it started work |
| 00:33.24 | N0Lif3 | I prefer MPV for videos. |
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| 00:33.36 | Thasan | thanks |
| 00:33.36 | themill | N0Lif3: great, so install that. |
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| 00:35.32 | somiaj | yea seems as if the depends is hiding down in phonon4qt5 is what is requring vlc. |
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| 00:43.52 | liefer | My gparted looks like this: http://imgur.com/a/UcBwb . I would like to resize the unallocated 16gb to "/" but i cant resize neither the "/dev/...0p2" nor the "/dev/...0p7" device. What gives? |
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| 00:48.32 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell liefer about raspbian |
| 00:49.27 | jmcnaught | liefer: please see the message from the bot. ideally you would boot from a live disk or some other media to resize partitions, but you'll need to go to #raspbian for support |
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| 00:52.31 | themill | liefer: 203/EXEC can indicate that you have the binary compiled for the wrong architecture. (It just means that execvp(3) failed) |
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| 00:52.54 | themill | liefer: ask #raspbian for more info on what could be wrong with that binary |
| 00:53.34 | liefer | its not the binary, the the aftermath of cloning a smaller device to a larger |
| 00:53.44 | liefer | the previous was 16gb, the new is 32 |
| 00:53.53 | liefer | its the* |
| 00:53.58 | themill | ah, I was looking at your previous pastes about lounge |
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| 01:11.34 | pingfloyd | liefer: the filesystems you're resizing have to be unmounted |
| 01:11.56 | liefer | i cannot do that, its my / - its busy |
| 01:12.01 | pingfloyd | liefer: also ...0p2 is an extended partition which is the contain for the logical partitions |
| 01:12.13 | pingfloyd | liefer: so you have to resize that first |
| 01:12.35 | pingfloyd | liefer: you have to, so in your case, you want to boot off live cd/usb and run gparted |
| 01:12.56 | pingfloyd | liefer: you're not going to be able to unmount / when you're booted off a system using it |
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| 01:13.41 | pingfloyd | liefer: situations like these are easier to deal with and don't require taking the system offline if you use lvm2 instead |
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| 01:16.40 | kingkong- | i've wheezy. i installed quasselcore from git clone as user and running. what's quasselcore data dir now? |
| 01:17.19 | kingkong- | it's changing if i dont install by aptget ? |
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| 01:40.25 | somiaj | kingkong-: you'll have to check the default configs of the software. But many things should be using /usr/local over /usr for locations, as to they won't conflict with debian packages. |
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| 01:51.08 | SpaceAce | what's a good way to make a live backup of a running OS from within itself? |
| 01:51.18 | SpaceAce | and say, upload to Amazon S3 |
| 01:51.22 | SpaceAce | or a remote FTP |
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| 01:58.29 | rockstar07 | SpaceAce: you can use software such as Veritas NetBackup, Veeam, or EMC NetWorker that has live system state / snapshots backup feature. |
| 01:58.49 | SpaceAce | thanks rockstar07 |
| 01:58.57 | SpaceAce | they open source? |
| 01:59.12 | rockstar07 | No, they are proprietary |
| 02:00.03 | rockstar07 | What kind of backup are you trying to do - file level, system state, database, BMR, or VM? |
| 02:01.09 | SpaceAce | ideally an ISO of the current files, or an auto backup of web + database + installed programs list |
| 02:01.18 | SpaceAce | config files, etc |
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| 02:02.29 | rockstar07 | Then you want to take a system snapshot. For virtual servers, that can be accomplished using Veeam free edition. |
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| 02:03.15 | jmcnaught | SpaceAce: here's a place to start looking: https://wiki.debian.org/BackupAndRecovery |
| 02:03.27 | SpaceAce | thanks for that, guys |
| 02:03.43 | SpaceAce | veeam free edition sounds ideal. it's just a cheapo VPS i have an account with |
| 02:03.49 | jmcnaught | rockstar07: all of that can be done with free software available for Debian, no need to advertise proprietary products here |
| 02:04.09 | SpaceAce | i'll check out the free software options first |
| 02:05.32 | rockstar07 | Is there a free backup software with deduplication built in? |
| 02:05.50 | rockstar07 | and replication to offsite storage pools? |
| 02:06.19 | jmcnaught | ,v borgbackup |
| 02:06.20 | judd | Package: borgbackup on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.0.7-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.0.7-1; sid: 1.0.7-1 |
| 02:06.47 | pingfloyd | rockstar07: the nature of foss is to leverage existing software |
| 02:07.07 | SpaceAce | to be fair, i wasn't asking for free software. i was asking for a solution |
| 02:07.16 | pingfloyd | rockstar07: so usually you either script what you want, use an existing script, or find some app that acts as a front-end. |
| 02:07.33 | jmcnaught | rockstar07: recommending proprietary software is a weird thing to do in #debian. are you familiar with the Debian Free Software Guidelines? https://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 02:07.34 | themill | There are so many backup utilities and so many deduplication utilities that we have a deduplicator for backup and deduplication utilities... |
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| 02:07.58 | SpaceAce | thanks for your answers |
| 02:08.22 | pingfloyd | SpaceAce: it's find if you want to use proprietary software, it's just not going to be supported here |
| 02:08.35 | jmcnaught | rockstar07: that Social Contract is a huge part of what makes Debian so great :) |
| 02:08.49 | pingfloyd | s/find/fine |
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| 02:09.04 | th0r | foss is not a religion guys |
| 02:09.20 | pingfloyd | th0r: ya don't say |
| 02:09.39 | pingfloyd | th0r: has nothing to do with religion, has to do with burden of support |
| 02:09.45 | th0r | the fellow asked for a recommendation. You are welcome to add yours, but don't diss others for their suggestions |
| 02:10.04 | pingfloyd | th0r: nobody dissed anyone |
| 02:10.20 | themill | The expectation in #debian is that free software is preferred and of that, software that is in the archive is the preferred subset of that. |
| 02:10.28 | pingfloyd | setting the record straight isn't dissing anyone |
| 02:10.53 | SpaceAce | wipes sweat from brow |
| 02:11.01 | SpaceAce | free software. |
| 02:11.13 | SpaceAce | i'm looking at all options here |
| 02:12.03 | themill | SpaceAce: there are lots of options depending on what sort of deduplication would want. "deduplication" can have many different meanings in the backup context |
| 02:12.31 | themill | (One of the trade-offs being how much CPU you are willing to throw at the deduplication) |
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| 02:23.32 | sm00th | hello all |
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| 02:39.39 | tom99 | So.... |
| 02:39.57 | tom99 | Anybody notice Toy Story and The Walking Dead have the same plot? |
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| 02:41.11 | _rubik | Hey guys. How would I go about changing cursor size? In i3 if that makes a huge difference |
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| 02:46.16 | abrotman | tom99: please use #debian-offtopic, you've been warned before |
| 02:47.02 | tom99 | abrotman, warned by whom and about what? |
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| 02:47.28 | abrotman | tom99: please stay on topic. Thank you |
| 02:47.41 | themill | tom99: by lots of people to quit being a noisy, unhelpful pain |
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| 02:57.21 | rockstar07 | deduplication means one thing in for backups, which is no duplicate block of data copied to the backend storage over the network. Instead of copying duplicate data (consuming more storage), a flag is set in the algorithm in the event a restore is required. |
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| 02:57.53 | socomm | rockstar07: deduplication is used for more than just backups |
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| 02:58.38 | rockstar07 | What I'm saying is that's what it means when it comes to backups |
| 02:59.16 | RoyK | are you guys talking about dedup in general or zfs dedup? |
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| 03:03.02 | themill | rockstar07: no, deduplication for backups does not me "one thing". It's very context dependent. You can have block-level, file-level and also cross-client. (And if it's block level, what size block). |
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| 03:03.33 | socomm | RoyK: I see |
| 03:03.53 | RoyK | there's also some sliding-window-like dedup algorithms used out there |
| 03:03.56 | socomm | rockstar07: sorry |
| 03:06.17 | RoyK | as in with zfs dedup, if you do "echo 1 > somefile; cat somebigfile >> somefile", it can't be deduped, but with some systems, it'll find the duplicated data even though it's not block-aligned |
| 03:07.04 | RoyK | btw, don't use zfs dedup :P |
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| 03:17.55 | pingfloyd | rockstar07: what makes you think deduplication means one thing? |
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| 03:25.00 | pingfloyd | rockstar07: one example is that hardlinking unchanged files with rsync (e.g., using --link-dest) is a form of "backup deduplication". |
| 03:25.46 | pingfloyd | that's one of many possible methods of "deduplicating backups" |
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| 03:42.48 | BishamonX | Hey, guys. On Gnome, does anyone know how to specify an icon for tray different from launcher? Is there a variable in the .desktop file that specifically sets tray icon? |
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| 03:44.43 | th0r | BishamonX, don't know about gnome, but there is a line in the .desktop file that defines the icon (they are in /usr/share/applications). |
| 03:45.20 | th0r | BishamonX, it should be possible to copy the .desktop file to another location, change the icon definition, and link that desktop file to the launcher |
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| 03:46.58 | BishamonX | th0r: Indeed, what I want to change though is the tray icon, not the launcher. :'( |
| 03:47.43 | th0r | BishamonX, sorry...missed that. The tray icon is, I believe, coded into the software |
| 03:48.13 | jmcnaught | BishamonX: my GNOME doesn't have a tray icon unless i can't see it. Is this something new in the GNOME in testing/unstable, or an extension? |
| 03:48.50 | BishamonX | th0r: Oh. :'( I did not know that, thank you for the information. |
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| 03:49.11 | BishamonX | jmcnaught: Extension, brings legacy tray icon next to status icons. |
| 03:49.42 | BishamonX | https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1031/topicons/ |
| 03:50.48 | jmcnaught | BishamonX: this is something the creators of the extension would know |
| 03:51.21 | BishamonX | jmcnaught: That is a great point, I'll go disturb them later on their github page, lol. |
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| 04:27.54 | ubto1 | hi can someone help me figure out why i cant browse any website when i use network-manager |
| 04:28.02 | ubto1 | i think its a DNS issue |
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| 04:28.17 | ubto1 | i can connect to wifi but can't access internet |
| 04:28.37 | rockstar07 | ubto1: open terminal, and type ping aol.com - what happens? |
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| 04:29.07 | ubto1 | rockstar07, i switched back to wicd so i could get online. but i did try pinging a site with networkmanager |
| 04:29.12 | ubto1 | and i could not ping any website |
| 04:29.55 | ubto1 | i looked in /etc/resolv.conf and networknanager had set nameserver to 192.168.1.254 or something. not a normal DNS |
| 04:30.08 | ubto1 | i tried changing it manualy to a normal DNS but still couldn't get online |
| 04:30.20 | rjsalts | ubto1: it will be setting up dnsmasq in that case |
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| 04:31.14 | rjsalts | ubto1: you tried ping/traceroute to an ip address, such as the default gateway? |
| 04:31.56 | rjsalts | ubto1: and/or something on the internet such as 8.8.8.8 |
| 04:32.23 | ubto1 | rjsalts, no i only tried pinging a website like yahoo.com |
| 04:32.26 | ubto1 | not the gateway |
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| 04:34.15 | Ouroboros | somiaj: btw, i finally figure out what the issue was |
| 04:34.25 | Ouroboros | somiaj: turns out 0x15 and 0xf are not the same thing |
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| 04:35.36 | pingfloyd | ubto1: that ip addresss is likely your router acting as your nameserver and dhcp server (what set nm to use that nameserver). |
| 04:36.42 | pingfloyd | ubto1: if you're using nm, you can override that though, by setting the nameserver(s) you want in its interface settings |
| 04:36.44 | ubto1 | oh |
| 04:37.15 | ubto1 | pingfloyd, you mean /etc/network/interface |
| 04:37.23 | pingfloyd | I mean in network-manager itself |
| 04:37.57 | ubto1 | thats another thing. in gtk environments, network-manager has way better preferences. in my kde plasma applet, network manager has no preferences |
| 04:38.02 | ubto1 | i couldn't figure out how to edit anything |
| 04:38.31 | pingfloyd | like if you're using the applet for NM, then you right-click on it, Edit Connections -> Edit -> IPv4 Settings |
| 04:39.12 | ubto1 | that works in the gtk applet |
| 04:39.19 | pingfloyd | yes |
| 04:39.26 | pingfloyd | but it's not the only way |
| 04:39.33 | pingfloyd | network manager has many different options |
| 04:39.34 | ubto1 | but in the qt/plasma applet, you right click and all it lets you do is change what info is displayed |
| 04:39.47 | pingfloyd | for example there is also nmcli |
| 04:39.52 | ubto1 | it sucks compared to the gtk applet i am used to in xfce |
| 04:39.56 | ubto1 | oh |
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| 04:40.12 | themill | ubto1: in the plasma version, you left click on it and then click on the spanner |
| 04:40.39 | pingfloyd | ubto1: you'll just have to play around with it. The key is figuring out how to get to where you can edit its settings. |
| 04:42.01 | ubto1 | themill, when i left click it in the plasma version, i get a list of networks, |
| 04:42.10 | ubto1 | what's a spanner? |
| 04:43.07 | pingfloyd | a wrench probably |
| 04:43.18 | pingfloyd | and icon that looks like a wrench or gears |
| 04:43.44 | ubto1 | my wicd applet has it but i don't recall the nm one having it. |
| 04:43.55 | ubto1 | i can try again and double check but i'll be offline for a while |
| 04:44.07 | ubto1 | or can i install nm without removing wicd? |
| 04:44.17 | pingfloyd | I also wonder if wicd and NM may conflict with each other |
| 04:44.34 | ubto1 | i purged wicd before installing NM |
| 04:44.39 | pingfloyd | they can probably be configured not to |
| 04:44.49 | pingfloyd | but default configuration they may |
| 04:45.02 | themill | having both does tend to be a good recipe for confusion and broken networking |
| 04:45.49 | ubto1 | let me remove wicd and see if there's a wrench. so let's say i get into the setings. what do i look for |
| 04:45.55 | ubto1 | ipv4 settings? |
| 04:45.56 | pingfloyd | I think if you try to have it to where no daemons overlap in functionality, you'll be more likely to avoid there being conflicts between them |
| 04:46.29 | ubto1 | themill, do you have the plasma nm? |
| 04:46.31 | pingfloyd | the flip side to that is most daemons can usually be configured to play nice together if you have the know how |
| 04:46.42 | themill | ubto1: yes |
| 04:47.27 | ubto1 | ok be right back. i'll let you know what happens |
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| 04:55.01 | ubto1 | hi. so i found the wrench. went to ipv4 settings, and set dns servers. |
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| 04:55.15 | ubto1 | i could not ping debian.org and couldn't ping my gateway either |
| 04:55.41 | ubto1 | i am back on wicd |
| 04:56.43 | themill | Do you have another machine you can irc from? It's beyond painful to debug things in this way |
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| 04:57.57 | ubto1 | wish i did but no sorry |
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| 04:58.14 | ubto1 | i know it sucks |
| 04:59.03 | themill | So what's in /etc/resolv.conf now? |
| 04:59.35 | Ouroboros | ubto1: you can irc from your phone |
| 04:59.41 | ubto1 | one line. nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 04:59.57 | themill | and you configured that to appear there? |
| 04:59.58 | ubto1 | when i used NM, it had a comment #Generated by Network Manager |
| 05:00.01 | ubto1 | yes i did |
| 05:00.31 | ubto1 | Ouroboros, oh yea i guess i could |
| 05:00.38 | themill | Did you check what ip address you had when connected with nm? |
| 05:01.08 | ubto1 | i assumed it would be 192.168.1.254 again. i didn't check |
| 05:01.17 | ubto1 | would it help if i got on through my phone |
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| 05:01.49 | pingfloyd | I though you said earlier 192.168.1.254 was the nameserver address you were using |
| 05:02.07 | ubto1 | no. it's what NM stuck in there |
| 05:02.20 | ubto1 | i am using nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 05:02.26 | pingfloyd | probably more like what dhcp did |
| 05:02.34 | ubto1 | yea |
| 05:02.36 | pingfloyd | before you set nm |
| 05:03.00 | pingfloyd | the idea here is leave everything using dhcp except nameserver |
| 05:03.28 | pingfloyd | also, are you sure you configured the proper interface? |
| 05:03.29 | ubto1 | i read i can edit dhclient.conf with supersede-name-server and set it there |
| 05:03.52 | themill | or fix the dns server |
| 05:03.58 | themill | *dhcp server |
| 05:04.06 | ubto1 | yes NM only managed wlan0 since eth0 is handled by /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:04.15 | pingfloyd | yep, many ways you can address this issue |
| 05:04.30 | pingfloyd | that can be changed as well |
| 05:06.32 | ubto1 | what do you suggest |
| 05:06.40 | ubto1 | stick with wicd? lol |
| 05:06.55 | pingfloyd | if it's a laptop that you move around between networks with, I'd have it managed by NM |
| 05:07.05 | ubto1 | it is |
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| 05:07.41 | pingfloyd | using ifup/down is good if it sits on the same network all of the time |
| 05:08.07 | pingfloyd | like say it were a server |
| 05:08.40 | pingfloyd | NM is far more practical for laptops and mobile devices though |
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| 05:09.38 | ubto1 | ok |
| 05:11.24 | pingfloyd | if you use network manager to manage eth0, you probably want to set CONFIGURE_INTERFACES=no or declare it in EXCLUDE_INTERFACES= in /etc/default/networking (I'm not sure if this is necessary though, so you might try it if you're having connectivity problems with that interface) |
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| 05:12.10 | pingfloyd | this will mean that nm will handle configuring and bringing up the interface though |
| 05:12.52 | ubto1 | my main issue now is getting NM to work with my wifi |
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| 05:13.03 | pingfloyd | is there's a connection listed in it? |
| 05:13.08 | ubto1 | yes |
| 05:13.24 | ubto1 | it sees my wifi network and successfuly connects to it |
| 05:13.33 | ubto1 | but no internet |
| 05:13.35 | pingfloyd | when your setting for it under ipv4 tab? |
| 05:13.36 | ubto1 | and can't ping router |
| 05:13.57 | themill | Did you check what ip address you had when connected with nm? |
| 05:13.58 | pingfloyd | do you have "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only"? |
| 05:14.20 | pingfloyd | for "method" |
| 05:14.24 | ubto1 | pingfloyd, yes. and i wrote in the DNS servers |
| 05:14.37 | ubto1 | themill, no |
| 05:15.21 | pingfloyd | do you have dhcp services setup for that interface on wap/router? |
| 05:15.22 | ubto1 | i did sudo apt-get purge wicd-kde, but the wicd wpplet was still visible. is that normal? |
| 05:15.31 | ubto1 | i also did killall wicd before using NM |
| 05:15.56 | ubto1 | pingfloyd, yes DHCP works. all other devices connect fine |
| 05:16.14 | pingfloyd | ubto1: check dpkg -l "wicd*" | grep ^ii |
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| 05:16.53 | ubto1 | that returned nothing |
| 05:17.03 | ubto1 | even though wicd is currently installed |
| 05:17.14 | ubto1 | i had to remove NM and use wicd to get back online |
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| 05:18.46 | ubto1 | i will try some more |
| 05:18.48 | ubto1 | thanks for the advice |
| 05:19.08 | themill | I don't think we've really given any yet because we don't know what your actual set up is... |
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| 05:23.04 | pingfloyd | ^ |
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| 05:45.18 | duff | Does KDE use more ram than gnome? |
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| 05:55.07 | greyeax | hi i'm trying to do some advanced full disk encryption and i'm having some trouble |
| 05:55.38 | greyeax | I want to setup encryption using serpent-xts-plain64 with 512 keysize and whirlpool hashing |
| 05:55.46 | greyeax | but the options within the installer don't allow me to do that |
| 05:56.07 | greyeax | i'm trying to do it manually but i think the installer doesn't setup the initramfs for decryption unless you do it from within the installer |
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| 06:07.02 | greyeax | is there any way to see what modules initramfs has available to it? |
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| 06:16.16 | dieterd | greyeax: with mc i was able to browse this file. |
| 06:16.59 | somiaj | greyeax: lsinitramfs /path/to/initrd.img |
| 06:17.20 | somiaj | greyeax: https://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
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| 07:01.05 | greyeax | dieterd: mc? midnight commander? |
| 07:02.32 | dieterd | greyeax: yes |
| 07:03.57 | greyeax | somiaj: does that only show the modules installed to the initramfs? |
| 07:04.02 | greyeax | or does it show all possible'? |
| 07:04.21 | greyeax | i think my initramfs is lacking the crypto module necessary to decrypt my partition |
| 07:04.23 | greyeax | i think |
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| 07:13.57 | galxy | http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/solar-storm-urban-jungle-girl-lords-lost-10-2-16/ |
| 07:14.11 | darxmurf | in nslcd.conf, what's the difference between "filter passwd" and "filter shadow" ? |
| 07:14.14 | galxy | Kyle speaks to Urban Jungle Girl about the system that is controlling and harming us from conception to grave, all while making a huge profit from our sickness and suffering. Topics include: eugenics vs dysgenics, ultrasounds, vaccines, circumcision, drugging, indoctrination, school, work enslavement, the cost of dying, how we can take our power back as well as fight back, and more. |
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| 07:22.14 | Andreas322 | Hello |
| 07:22.30 | Andreas322 | I'm writing a pipelined image editor https://sourceforge.net/projects/batchpie/ |
| 07:22.46 | Andreas322 | Okay, I admit that I've to put the first jar file |
| 07:23.21 | Andreas322 | I've been working few weeks ago for a company |
| 07:23.47 | Andreas322 | How difficult is it to find a sponsor for an own GNU project? |
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| 07:25.42 | sphalerite | Andreas322: you mean you want it to become a GNU project? I don't see how that's relevant to debian |
| 07:25.46 | babilen | Andreas322: A sponsor for the Debian package you created? |
| 07:26.05 | babilen | Or do you want to develop your project under the GNU umbrella? |
| 07:26.11 | missmbob | Andreas322: i'd give you $1,000 if you had a gnu project |
| 07:26.14 | Andreas322 | I haven't a debian package for it yet |
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| 07:26.45 | babilen | Just trying to figure out why you ask in #debian and not #gnu |
| 07:26.55 | Andreas322 | I've a gnu license file created at the root of the project |
| 07:27.00 | babilen | (so I assumed that you are looking for a Debian sponsor, but your question doesn't read that way) |
| 07:27.13 | missmbob | Andreas322: which does not make you a gnu project. you need to study a lot more |
| 07:27.14 | Andreas322 | I suppose I learn more if I ask in both channels |
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| 07:27.20 | sphalerite | Andreas322: I like the idea btw! I started doing something like that for a uni assignment, but it sort of died after the due date.. |
| 07:27.48 | sphalerite | Andreas322: A GPL-licenced project is different from a GNU project |
| 07:28.14 | km0201 | not sure if this is the right place for this or not.. running Wheezy, using Chrome. Whenever I reboot, Chrome loses all settings. I have to sign in to websites again (facebook, forums, google account, etc.) but it seems to save my history, cache, etc. I've reset it to defaults, and it's still doing this. anyone had this issue? |
| 07:28.54 | km0201 | sorry.. running Jessie, not Wheezy |
| 07:28.56 | sphalerite | km0201: Check your cookie settings. It may be that you've set it to delete all of them on exit |
| 07:29.08 | sphalerite | That's what it sounds like anyway. |
| 07:29.23 | km0201 | sphalerite, hmm, ok.. but you'd think when i reset it, that would have chaned.. unless when i signed back in w/ google, it changed all my settings back. |
| 07:29.38 | Ouroboros | unless thats the default |
| 07:29.40 | Andreas322 | Maybe you sometime started chromium with sudo chromium or kind of that? |
| 07:29.41 | sphalerite | Does it happen if you quit and start Chrome again (as opposed to rebooing the whole thing) |
| 07:30.08 | Andreas322 | Because with sudo apps start in your user folder and not of /root/ |
| 07:30.16 | sphalerite | km0201: I think if you sign in with google it syncs your settings somehow. Try logging in and then checking the cookie settings |
| 07:30.28 | Andreas322 | Thus they can change user permission so you can't write |
| 07:30.37 | km0201 | Andreas322, no, if i just close chrome and restart, it saves my settings |
| 07:30.39 | Andreas322 | Check user permissions at files |
| 07:30.46 | km0201 | it appears to nly happen when i reboot. |
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| 07:31.44 | km0201 | Andreas322, not sure i follow... (cookie settings appear normal) |
| 07:31.47 | sphalerite | that is weird. And this is Google Chrome? As opposed to chromium? Because Chrome is not part of debian |
| 07:32.22 | sphalerite | km0201: and when you quit it, is it really dead? Try quitting and then checking if the process isn't still running, e.g. for notifications |
| 07:32.31 | sphalerite | I think it can do that |
| 07:32.47 | km0201 | yeah, it's chrome... but chromium was dong the same thing |
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| 07:36.09 | Choups | guys I need help and I pay $$$: http://pastebin.com/6zpkNED3 |
| 07:36.10 | Choups | easy money guys |
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| 07:40.43 | km0201 | Andreas322, you may be on to something... look at the permissions for google-chrome http://paste.debian.net/853293/ |
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| 07:41.50 | km0201 | well, maybe not. |
| 07:42.02 | km0201 | lemme try something real quick |
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| 07:52.42 | km0201 | i think i might have figured it out. |
| 07:53.33 | km0201 | well, not really, i just deleted my browsers config file... guess you could say i went nuclear on it. |
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| 08:09.18 | dj_xatra | I have a Virtualbox image running on Jessie. My VM screen resolution is 1024x768. I didn't install guest additions because that's non-free software. Is there a way to get a higher resolution w/o guest additions? |
| 08:10.27 | sphalerite | dj_xatra: I'm not sure, but is there any particular reason not to use QEMU/KVM for instance? |
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| 08:16.04 | dj_xatra | sphalerite: Virtualbox is kind of the chosen standard for VMs in the company. My colleagues aren't that bothered by software freedom, so don't mind guest additions. Host system is Windows. Qemu website doesn't seem to provide binaries for it. |
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| 08:17.39 | sphalerite | oh right, on windows. |
| 08:17.57 | sphalerite | You're running windows, might as well run the guest additions :p |
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| 08:19.18 | dj_xatra | Well, I have no say in Windows, I do have a choice not to run guest additions (even if that means missing some features) |
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| 08:21.15 | sphalerite | hm |
| 08:21.31 | sphalerite | well I don't really know, but have you tried just increasing the resolution using xrandr or similar? |
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| 08:26.42 | dj_xatra | sphalerite: not sure what the --output parameter should be. With VGA is sys "output VGA not found". |
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| 08:42.05 | dieterd | dj_extra: what's pure xrandr printing? |
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| 08:43.43 | maroloccio | hi. what is the different between apt-get update and apt update please? |
| 08:45.21 | dieterd | maro...: look if alias apt=apt-get is set. |
| 08:46.52 | francoisk | according to the apt manpage they're identical: "update (apt-get(8))" |
| 08:47.17 | dj_xatra | dieterd: dpaste.com/0B3PQMR |
| 08:47.18 | francoisk | though I must confess I am currently on ubuntu so I may be wrong |
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| 08:48.06 | themill | maroloccio: nothing |
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| 08:48.46 | maroloccio | themill: thank you. perhaps it is conceivable for people to have one tool installed and not the other? or are both a requirement to use debian? |
| 08:48.51 | dieterd | maro...: francoisk is right. |
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| 08:49.16 | dieterd | it's the same. |
| 08:50.21 | themill | maroloccio: they are the same tool (libapt) |
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| 08:50.47 | maroloccio | themill: ok, thanks. then.. i am a little confused that there are different paths to the same end result but ok.. |
| 08:51.07 | themill | apt-get has an interface stability promise; apt does not |
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| 08:53.23 | maroloccio | themill: gotcha. well, that's a valid answer.. |
| 08:53.29 | dieterd | dj_extra: same on my machine Screen 0; On Netbook LVDS0, LVDS1 or helped me there. Try "--screen snum" |
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| 08:56.13 | francoisk | maroloccio, again from the apt manpage: apt provides a high-level commandline interface for the package management system. It is intended as an end user interface and enables some options better suited for interactive usage by default compared to more specialized APT tools like apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8). |
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| 08:56.53 | doublehp | how to setup g to hosts_require_tls for exim in Debian ? some pages says it does not go in main section; I don't understand how sections are handeled by update-exim4.conf.conf . I have most recent exim, and it should support this feature |
| 08:56.54 | maroloccio | francoisk: To me, that description is less insightful, due to its generality, than the comment made by themill |
| 08:57.00 | doublehp | how to increase the timeout time for messages in exim ? i want to increase timeout for the warning of no delivery, and critical age for error. |
| 08:57.05 | doublehp | then, add a second smarthost |
| 08:57.10 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.16 | dj_xatra | dieterd: same output: http://dpaste.com/0CM5QMS |
| 08:57.21 | francoisk | maroloccio, ok well them themill wins the competition |
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| 08:58.55 | francoisk | maroloccio, my point is that the man page has a lot of useful info and you should read it. |
| 08:59.15 | maroloccio | francoisk: i agree. i should peruse the man pages. |
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| 09:03.45 | dieterd | dj_extra: This works, but for switching --output does not accept this. |
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| 09:09.06 | BinBasher | is readahead still available and working? (since it says readahead-fedora) |
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| 09:13.22 | p3rs3us | hey guys, after installing nvidia drivers (over nouveau) all my system fonts are now really tiny and hard to see. Do you guys know if there is one place that I could change the fontsize without having to go app by app and change it there. |
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| 09:19.03 | dieterd | dj_extra: try for "--output default". in case there is an output with crtr, i will look. |
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| 09:20.14 | dieterd | dj_extra: try "xrandr --output default --mode 800x600". |
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| 09:20.52 | borsin | p3rs3us: is it possibly a resolution change? nvidia-settings |
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| 09:22.57 | p3rs3us | borsin, there resolution is equal to before, that is, 1920x1080. |
| 09:23.11 | p3rs3us | borsin, i suspect it is something to do with dpi |
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| 09:24.31 | dieterd | dj_extra: in case of http://dpaste.com/0BHVK5H your issue smilar to http://askubuntu.com/questions/186288/how-to-detect-and-configure-an-output-with-xrandr |
| 09:24.38 | p3rs3us | borsin, it says NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (81, 80); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config |
| 09:24.46 | p3rs3us | borsin, i think this is quite low |
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| 09:31.22 | dieterd_ | dj_extra: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | less there is no screen-section |
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| 09:31.47 | dieterd_ | dj_extra: that's your challenge. |
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| 09:48.16 | p3rs3us | borsin, apparently my xfce4 dpi settings were set to 96 and nvidia was setting everything else to 81. The later seems to be the correct one for my screen. After changing xfce4 to 81 the fontsize are now readable. Apparently the mismatch was causing the scale down. |
| 09:49.40 | p3rs3us | borsin, I saw online many problems with Gnome and Nvidia regarding this mismatch in DPI. I can confirm the same happens with xfce4. |
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| 10:22.37 | fredl_ | if I don't configure a vlan interface, does Linux see that vlan's packets on the ethernet interface? |
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| 10:35.49 | jelly | fredl_: yes. |
| 10:36.05 | jelly | it also sees them if you configure it, too |
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| 10:36.51 | jelly | however, if you don't configure a trunk, your linux can't _reply_ with the correct vlan tags |
| 10:38.28 | fredl_ | ah yeah therein lies the catch, gotcha! |
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| 10:43.56 | LostSoul | Hi |
| 10:43.58 | LostSoul | I'm kinda noob if it comes to DNS |
| 10:44.00 | LostSoul | So my question is, if I have zone file, how to redirect it (cname this domain) to another domain? |
| 10:44.04 | LostSoul | When I'm trying to use cname, I'm getting: loading from master file XXX failed: CNAME and other data |
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| 11:05.15 | DeaDSouL | hi, how to remove the cd-rom repository from sources.list |
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| 11:05.46 | DeaDSouL | just remove the line? or there is a command like apt-cdrom that can remove it ? |
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| 11:13.06 | ransur0t | just comment it out, i.e. # before entry on same line |
| 11:14.43 | teraflops | ...and run apt-get update |
| 11:15.18 | DeaDSouL | thanks ransur0t, teraflops |
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| 11:18.33 | ransur0t | DeaDSouL: np, yw |
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| 11:46.45 | xpkill23 | hi all serach german help about debi |
| 11:47.42 | jelly | !de |
| 11:47.42 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 11:51.51 | McAndrew_ | anyone have same problem with debian-testing (kernel4.7, qt5.6, qmmp 1.0.9)? when im starting in qmmp a playlist (m3u/pls) after each track qmmp will stop instead of starting next track |
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| 11:54.36 | dcpc007 | hi, for apt-cacher-ng i have a client with specific repo. Must i configure this specific repo on the apt-cacher-ng server too ? i have error on this specific repo when try to aptitude update on the client (the base wheezy repo works via apt-cacher-ng) |
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| 12:24.04 | velix | Is "pbuilder" still "state of the art" ? |
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| 12:27.44 | themill | velix: sbuild is a much better solution |
| 12:27.57 | velix | themill: ok |
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| 12:28.28 | velix | themill: can I use sbuild interactive like a normal chroot ? |
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| 12:29.18 | themill | sbuild is built on schroot which allows you do manage and enter chroots without having to be root |
| 12:29.55 | velix | themill: actually, I'm using a normal chroot to build all my things. I like interactivity. |
| 12:30.02 | velix | themill: I think, I don't need sbuild or pbuilder. |
| 12:30.04 | velix | Thanks for help ;) |
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| 12:35.35 | doublehp | where does debian set the default delay_warning for exim ? |
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| 12:39.53 | themill | doublehp: looks like a compiled in default -- not everything that can be configured appears in the config file |
| 12:40.13 | doublehp | themill: so, where and how do I increase the thing ? |
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| 12:41.55 | doublehp | themill: if I don't fix this within 9h, my server will enter an exponential loop of email multiplication |
| 12:42.27 | themill | I've not used exim for many years (and barely even used it at that) |
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| 12:45.22 | littlebit | Hi people, I have installed a dvb-s card on my debian system. lspci lists the card, yet it isn't mentioned in dmesg nor in /var/log/messages |
| 12:45.28 | littlebit | is that normal? |
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| 12:47.47 | abrotman | littlebit: Do you know which driver should make the card work? and is that driver in your kernel? |
| 12:49.04 | littlebit | abrotman: I have identified it, and downloaded the driver from the vendor here: http://dvbsky.eu/Support_linux.html |
| 12:49.35 | littlebit | abrotman: uname -r gave me: 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 12:51.07 | littlebit | abrotman: the installation instructions seem to be simple yet I get an error at execuding the make command: http://paste.debian.net/853721/ |
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| 12:52.14 | littlebit | abrotman: you want me to paste the installation instructions? |
| 12:52.29 | abrotman | Downloaded it? |
| 12:52.34 | abrotman | Did you check to see if it was already included? |
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| 12:54.25 | littlebit | abrotman: I have downloaded it, since this is my first time using make, I don't know what to include to. |
| 12:54.36 | abrotman | littlebit: That's not what I"m asking |
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| 12:56.08 | littlebit | abrotman: "Did you check to see if it was already included?" that is what you said. |
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| 13:04.48 | McAndrew_ | founded in 2hours desktop-test 4 bugs /problems in debian-testing .... |
| 13:05.26 | themill | Thank you for testing Debian testing.... |
| 13:05.28 | McAndrew_ | and i bet noone willbe fixed until release... |
| 13:05.40 | themill | Have you reported them? |
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| 13:06.12 | Rafi1 | hey everyone |
| 13:06.38 | McAndrew_ | like debian6 test i did ... - there i reported bugs to maintainers directly, wirth "ready" patchfile and ready rebuilded packages and links for webside i founded the solve... |
| 13:06.58 | themill | Bug numbers for your new bugs? |
| 13:07.05 | McAndrew_ | after 3 weeks i got a "thanks" - and months later nothing changed |
| 13:07.31 | jelly | McAndrew_: pretty please report the bugs into BTS so you can at least track their progress, and other people stumbling onto the same issues can know they're not alone |
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| 13:07.42 | McAndrew_ | i dont know where to report bnugs without registrations and blablablup |
| 13:07.59 | themill | !reportbug |
| 13:07.59 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 13:08.44 | jelly | McAndrew_: "reportbug" tool does not require registration, but a valid sender email is pretty much required if you want to see responses via email |
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| 13:09.34 | jelly | that said, what do I do when if old email (and really the entire domain) is now gone? |
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| 13:09.55 | themill | you can change the owner |
| 13:10.08 | jelly | can I? |
| 13:10.08 | McAndrew_ | okay - ill report them with reportbug - but - i bet - that will noone help |
| 13:10.21 | themill | I can pretty much guarantee that the probability of an unreported bug being fixed is substantially less than a reported one |
| 13:10.27 | McAndrew_ | bugs willbe at realse inside ready version too... |
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| 13:10.50 | jelly | McAndrew_: want to bet some cold cash that at least one will get fixed? |
| 13:10.59 | jelly | before stretch release? |
| 13:11.01 | themill | Tip: less aggression and more information than what you have offered here if you do want them to be fixed. |
| 13:11.10 | McAndrew_ | i wld pay for fixing bugs... |
| 13:11.42 | McAndrew_ | jelly, yes at streat release |
| 13:11.50 | jelly | McAndrew_: I think Freexian can take you on that offer. |
| 13:12.14 | McAndrew_ | im not affressiv - im realistic cause i had problems at debian too, and there nbothing happend in past |
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| 13:13.51 | jelly | McAndrew_: it has happened before. However, if you have the matching bug report numbers, you can point the finger at a precise bug with a definite set of people responsible. |
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| 13:15.24 | McAndrew_ | ok |
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| 13:17.06 | abrotman | littlebit: that implies you didn't download the driver and try to install it. Try to modprobe the driver, see what it says |
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| 13:23.39 | themill | McAndrew_: please let us know the bug numbers btw |
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| 13:24.24 | McAndrew_ | i need first du configure email :-( |
| 13:24.33 | themill | no |
| 13:24.42 | McAndrew_ | it asked me for email-adress |
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| 13:25.03 | McAndrew_ | unrar -p a.rar doesnt work too with password |
| 13:25.04 | themill | Umm... presumably you already have one of those |
| 13:25.27 | McAndrew_ | i hate all this bullshit |
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| 13:26.01 | McAndrew_ | reportbug is asking for an email - snmp and so on |
| 13:26.25 | themill | no, it asked you if you already had an smtp server set up. "No" was a valid answer |
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| 13:26.48 | eoli3n | hi, i want to install a debian stretch on thin provisionned LVM |
| 13:27.02 | eoli3n | so i booted a debian live, then installed lvm2 and thin provisionning tool |
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| 13:27.45 | eoli3n | created sda1 500m for /boot and then a thinpool with 2 LVs : slash, swap |
| 13:27.50 | McAndrew_ | it asking for smp:port there is no option for "no" |
| 13:27.59 | eoli3n | then i boot debian stretch installer |
| 13:28.03 | themill | McAndrew_: really... read it. |
| 13:28.11 | eoli3n | it sees my LVs but i cant format it |
| 13:28.21 | eoli3n | and select then to install system, slash |
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| 13:29.10 | eoli3n | does i need to debootstrap manually ? |
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| 13:44.41 | McAndrew_ | i hate this bullshit reportbug dont work without ghiving smtp |
| 13:45.03 | themill | McAndrew_: did you actually read the question? |
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| 13:45.52 | McAndrew_ | yes yes ... and its my life time ... when someone is intresting he/she can report it: |
| 13:45.59 | themill | « Just press ENTER if you don't have one or don't know, and so a Debian SMTP host will be used. » |
| 13:46.27 | themill | Now if you can't hit ENTER in response to that, then I'm not sure what we're going to get by way of quality bug reports. |
| 13:46.45 | McAndrew_ | 1. qmmp dont start next tract of m3u filelist after ending actually track. its stopping. button "next" is working well, but it doesnt jaump to next track |
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| 13:47.04 | themill | McAndrew_: #debian is not for bug reports |
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| 13:47.40 | themill | There is zero chance of the right person being here to do anything with that |
| 13:48.09 | McAndrew_ | 2. bug totem: when im playing a video, and after that i start a mp3 with inbedded cover this coiver willbne show correct. when i start after that a mp3/ogg without cover last videoframe from last running video willbe showns |
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| 13:48.17 | themill | McAndrew_: please stop. |
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| 13:48.36 | themill | Do something useful and actually write decent bug reports that someone will see. |
| 13:49.08 | McAndrew_ | 3. bug: plasma 5 in systemsettings is not shown correct display size insiude vmware-mashine (debian is running as guest, with installed guestdrivers and working opengl) |
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| 13:49.24 | McAndrew_ | (gnome is showing correct settings) |
| 13:49.30 | themill | McAndrew_: seriously. |
| 13:50.27 | McAndrew_ | 4. bug: startmenu in plasma5 does need LONG time to show when im strarting (sometzimes 2-3secs after klicking) - videos/fenster resizing is wlorking well |
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| 13:50.46 | jelly | McAndrew_: our time is as valuable as yours. Pasting bug reports here will NOT result in proper filing in BTS, sorry for that |
| 13:50.56 | themill | McAndrew_: please report bugs using reportbug and stop wasting everyone's time |
| 13:51.34 | themill | McAndrew_: all you've achieved so far with this is about 30 min *less* time being spent squashing bugs in Debian. |
| 13:52.28 | themill | Also, make sure your bug reports are actually actionable. Most of these are not. |
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| 13:56.16 | littlebit | abrotman: I'm trying to do the make and I get this: http://paste.debian.net/853770/ |
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| 14:02.44 | abrotman | littlebit: there might be an error above that, you may need to paste the whole thing |
| 14:03.12 | xenomorph_xx_121 | i was having this issue of a slow boot, at first it seemed like gdm wasn't starting until NetworkManager was finished connecting to wifi, but on further investigation this was on the case. its actually waiting on the non-blocking random pool to be initialised (gdm and network manager both seem to block waiting for entropy). i can make bootup proceed instantly but typing a bunch of keys on the keyboard. i see the 'nonblocking poo |
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| 14:03.27 | xenomorph_xx_121 | *not the case |
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| 14:07.08 | gebruiker | how do I reverse a patch after it failed and created .rej files? |
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| 14:13.36 | andril | hello all |
| 14:13.40 | Rafi1 | Hey does anyone know how can I make it so that my social messaging applications can startup automatically in the workspace 2 while email and browser start in the workspace 1? using cinnamon |
| 14:13.43 | Rafi1 | linux mint |
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| 14:15.42 | somiaj | Rafi1: you are in the wrong place to ask questions about mint |
| 14:15.43 | somiaj | !mint |
| 14:15.44 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 14:16.05 | Rafi1 | somiaj: thanks man :P :) |
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| 14:16.20 | somiaj | Rafi1: though what you are asking is specific to cinnamon. I'd look up some cinnamon support or google, 'start in another workspace cinnimon' on google. |
| 14:16.41 | Rafi1 | i tried it :( couldn't find a lot |
| 14:17.09 | MrKeuner | hi, middle mouse button doesn't send a window to back, is that intended? also left alt + left mouse button doesn't move a window either... Can I fix that? Jessie + GNOME Shell 3.14.4. |
| 14:17.15 | jelly | Rafi1: KDE can do that on its own, other DEs might need helper tools like wmctrl. Ask the Mint people which options are available. |
| 14:17.47 | Rafi1 | jelly: will do that cheers mate |
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| 14:21.04 | TuxOHolic | Jessie question concerning systemd: is it save to use umount.target.wants to place a backup service job into system shutdown, or is it more stable to use shutdown.target.wants? I noticed shutdown target runs twice on my debian, don't know why that is ... |
| 14:21.46 | andril | Jessie question: is there a safe way to update the kernel? |
| 14:21.59 | somiaj | TuxOHolic: twice when shutting down, or like most services it runs once when booting up and then once when shutting down? |
| 14:22.05 | missmbob | andril: jessie-backports has 4.7 |
| 14:22.09 | somiaj | andril: you can get newer kernels from jessie-backports |
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| 14:22.27 | missmbob | !tell andril about jessie-backports |
| 14:22.33 | andril | missmbob: so all i have to do is enable it? |
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| 14:22.59 | missmbob | andril: you add it to your sources.list and then apt-get it...the jessie-backports instructions the bot dpkg just gave you help |
| 14:23.02 | somiaj | andril: you have to speciflcally tell apt to install things from jessie-backports. Just having jessie-backports enabled won't upgrade your system packages. |
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| 14:23.24 | andril | thanks missmbob |
| 14:24.17 | missmbob | just got done packaging 4.8...if you have skylake that might be a good idea |
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| 14:26.26 | TuxOHolic | somiaj: and what is the difference when using umount.target? Can I put a Requisite= to my mount unit I need for the backup job and it will work with both targets similar? |
| 14:28.23 | missmbob | TuxOHolic: i'm kind of curious as to what type of server gets its data umount'd or shutdown often enough for that to be a good backup strategy |
| 14:28.41 | somiaj | TuxOHolic: I don't know enough about systemd to know what the difference (or prefered method) would be. There is #systemd if you aren't getting your answer here. |
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| 14:30.28 | TuxOHolic | missmbob: private home server, I'm testing how reliable systemd is with some playdata, would not want to risk anything ... thanks for the tipp with #systemd , I might get some more answers there |
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| 15:12.06 | MrKeuner | hi, installed to Jessie + GNOME Shell 3.14.4. Noticed that middle mouse button doesn't send a window to back, is that intended? also left alt + left mouse button doesn't move a window either... How can I fix that? |
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| 15:53.06 | pingumaharaj | Hello |
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| 15:54.40 | mordocai | Running a debian stable server with the default systemd and spamassassin. Spamassassin keeps crashing occasionally and I have not yet spent the time to figure out why. What is the best way to add a watchdog to it(probably with systemd?) without my changes conflicting with the spamassassin init files? |
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| 15:55.49 | pingumaharaj | Hi mordocai |
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| 16:14.21 | missmbob | throws xdg-screensaver to the wolves |
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| 16:25.10 | petn-randall | mordocai: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html |
| 16:25.26 | petn-randall | mordocai: Look at the 'Restart=' option |
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| 16:29.28 | missmbob | why wouldn't pgrep gnome-screensaver output a pid? pgrep anything else works. |
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| 16:30.30 | petn-randall | missmbob: Maybe the process isn't called like that? Maybe it isn't started? |
| 16:30.35 | jelly | because the process you're hunting for does not really have a $0 matching "gnome-screensaver", or there is no such process |
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| 16:31.02 | missmbob | markybob 24645 0.0 0.5 536324 35744 ? Sl 04:00 0:03 gnome-screensaver |
| 16:31.33 | jelly | missmbob: good, now cat /proc/24645/comm |
| 16:31.34 | mordocai | petn-randall: I mean more like, should I create a new separate systemd unit file called my-spamassasin or something? Or is there a way to add a "patch" to an existing unit? (I haven't even checked in spamassassin is an actual systemd unit file or a sysv conversion) |
| 16:31.49 | mordocai | Multiple typos, sorry. |
| 16:31.59 | missmbob | jelly: that's annoying and interesting. thanks |
| 16:32.05 | jelly | what does it say? |
| 16:32.17 | jelly | missmbob: pgrep has things like -f and -x that can help |
| 16:32.44 | jelly | I forget which is which |
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| 16:35.52 | petn-randall | mordocai: You can just copy the existing one, put it in a certain dir, and change the config. That one will then be used. I forgot which dir exactly, somewhere in /etc/systemd/system/, you can probably google it. |
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| 17:06.56 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 17:07.09 | cousin_luigi | Will stretch have a hard systemd dependence? |
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| 17:13.57 | velix | What's the right place to put my own systemd startup scripts to ? |
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| 17:21.29 | Han | I ran into this error with mpv: /usr/bin/mpv: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libass.so.5: undefined symbol: FT_Outline_EmboldenXY |
| 17:21.45 | Han | So I tried rebuilding both libass and mpv and I still get this error. |
| 17:22.26 | Han | Ow that's a freetype symbol... hang on there. |
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| 17:25.59 | teraflops | cousin_luigi: try it an see. it won't change so much till the freeze |
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| 17:29.06 | teraflops | velix: system wide? |
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| 17:32.15 | Drzacek | Hi |
| 17:32.29 | cousin_luigi | teraflops: I see. |
| 17:32.37 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
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| 17:33.08 | Drzacek | Can someone explain me what the "unsigned" kernel is? I was trying to install linux-image now and I get few versions (I need the pae kernel) and there were also unsigneds |
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| 17:34.27 | neilthereildeil | hey guys. i create a few symlinks in a lib directory. everytime i reboot, the symlinks are reset to point to their original files. how can i stop this behavior? |
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| 17:36.44 | teraflops | neilthereildeil: i wonder why you create symlinks in a lib dir by hand |
| 17:37.39 | neilthereildeil | i modified a .so lib and want to use my version, but dont want to delete the orig |
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| 17:38.53 | greycat | neilthereildeil: LD_LIBRARY_PATH perhaps |
| 17:39.48 | greycat | neilthereildeil: either that, or you want to modify /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 17:41.58 | neilthereildeil | greycat: ohhh ok |
| 17:42.02 | neilthereildeil | thats the linker cache, right? |
| 17:43.14 | neilthereildeil | greycat: how should i modify that file? |
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| 17:45.01 | jelly | neilthereildeil: those symlink names are generated from real library file SONAMEs |
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| 17:45.29 | neilthereildeil | oh wow when you say generated, you mean every time i boot? |
| 17:45.51 | jelly | almost every time a lib* package gets upgraded |
| 17:46.01 | greycat | neilthereildeil: if you have some local lib directory (say /opt/foo/lib) that you want to take priority over the regular system libs, put that before the include line in /etc/ld.so.conf and then I think you have to run ldconfig |
| 17:46.16 | greycat | neilthereildeil: LD_LIBRARY_PATH would be a bit less invasive, thuogh |
| 17:46.34 | jelly | and in some other cases. If might be saner to use your custom library with just the binary that needs it |
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| 17:46.59 | neilthereildeil | greycat: this version of the lib is needed for the whole system because it supports a custom kernel driver which it talks to |
| 17:47.15 | neilthereildeil | so i want to make it permanent system-wide. not using LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 17:47.27 | jelly | neilthereildeil: which debian release are you using and which architecture? |
| 17:47.28 | greycat | OK, ld.so.conf it is. |
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| 17:49.14 | neilthereildeil | greycat: this isnt a specific directory. this is a modified .so file right next to the original in the same dir to which the symlinks keep getting reset |
| 17:49.23 | neilthereildeil | how can i reflect this setup in ld.so.conf? |
| 17:49.27 | greycat | Well, you have to put it somewhere. |
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| 17:50.00 | greycat | And no, /usr/lib (or whatever system lib directory) is not where you should be putting it. |
| 17:50.05 | neilthereildeil | ahh |
| 17:50.09 | jelly | neilthereildeil: create a separate directory to store your file. create a file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ with a filename lexically before all the others |
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| 17:50.48 | jelly | neilthereildeil: put the absolute path to your custom lib/ directory in that file. Then run "ldconfig" |
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| 17:51.10 | jelly | neilthereildeil: which debian release are you using and which architecture? |
| 17:51.39 | jelly | (and perhaps more interestingly, does early userspace need access to this library as well) |
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| 17:52.04 | greycat | Yeah, I'm *really* skeptical of this "kernel driver that reads a shared lib" concept. |
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| 17:52.19 | hansol | hello |
| 17:52.30 | hansol | i cant connect my domain to my machine |
| 17:52.43 | neilthereildeil | ok so im dropping the modified lib in /etc/ld.so.conf.d, and ill put the path to the modified so in ld.so.conf |
| 17:52.49 | jelly | greycat: probably some embedded arm or mips thing with vendor kernel and vendor userspace blobs |
| 17:53.00 | neilthereildeil | greycat: no, its .so files that call driver IOCTLS |
| 17:53.05 | jelly | sadly very common these days |
| 17:53.06 | greycat | neilthereildeil: either use /etc/ld.so.conf.d *or* /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 17:53.32 | neilthereildeil | ohh |
| 17:53.48 | jelly | will suspend further suggestions pending an answer |
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| 17:54.10 | neilthereildeil | ok, if i use ld.so.conf, i can keep the modified so next to the original so? |
| 17:54.15 | greycat | NO! |
| 17:54.15 | neilthereildeil | jelly: amd64 |
| 17:54.28 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ cat /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 17:54.28 | greycat | include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf |
| 17:54.37 | jelly | neilthereildeil: which debian release? |
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| 17:54.56 | neilthereildeil | jelly: multiple versions for different machines i am doing this on |
| 17:55.02 | jelly | pick one. |
| 17:55.07 | neilthereildeil | 7.11 |
| 17:56.22 | neilthereildeil | greycat: sorry for the confusion. when u say use either *or*, you mean either sopy the files or put them in the conf file? mutually exclusively? |
| 17:56.27 | jelly | neilthereildeil: are you at liberty to tell us which library you're trying to replace and which hardware are you trying to make work? |
| 17:56.53 | greycat | if you can't figure it out from |
| 17:56.53 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ cat /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 17:56.54 | greycat | include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf |
| 17:57.03 | greycat | ... then I am quite worried. |
| 17:57.56 | neilthereildeil | ok, let me read some more about this before i do it |
| 17:57.59 | neilthereildeil | thanks for the help |
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| 18:30.52 | ws2k3 | how can i test my local dns server with dig? |
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| 18:31.55 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: dig [@server] name |
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| 18:32.09 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught so dig google.nl 127.0.0.1 for example? |
| 18:32.50 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: more like "dig @127.0.0.1 google.nl" (server is your nameserver) |
| 18:32.59 | jmcnaught | check the syntax at the top of "man dig" |
| 18:33.06 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught thx |
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| 19:03.49 | Agafnd | I'm having problems booting |
| 19:04.01 | Agafnd | first it would only boot the command line |
| 19:04.03 | somiaj | Agafnd: what sort of problems? What version of debian are you running? |
| 19:04.10 | Agafnd | Debian 8 |
| 19:04.16 | somiaj | Agafnd: if it boots only to the command line, you are booting just fine. (: |
| 19:04.41 | Agafnd | now it boots the graphical login, but I can't get past typing the password |
| 19:04.54 | greycat | Is this a new problem? |
| 19:04.58 | Agafnd | yes |
| 19:05.05 | greycat | When did it start? What changed? |
| 19:05.17 | Agafnd | I was getting warnings about low disk space on the root filesystem |
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| 19:06.03 | greycat | If it's still full, free up some space. Especially if you're using one big file system. |
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| 19:06.21 | Agafnd | I think I have a separate /home |
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| 19:06.38 | jhutchins | Agafnd: What did you do to get past the command line? |
| 19:07.07 | Agafnd | I don't know, it just started loading the gnome login prompt all of a sudden |
| 19:07.08 | jhutchins | Agafnd: Can you log in from the CLI? |
| 19:07.16 | Agafnd | yes |
| 19:07.29 | Agafnd | do you want me to do that? |
| 19:07.46 | greycat | You'll have to login to fix anything... |
| 19:08.31 | jhutchins | Agafnd: As root, I would suggest you stop gdm and do some recon from the CLI |
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| 19:09.14 | jhutchins | Agafnd: My first two guesses would be a full partition or bad permissions on something (caused by running the GUI as root). |
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| 19:09.37 | Agafnd | wait, how do I boot into the CLI? |
| 19:09.38 | greycat | Full partition is the simplest answer, so we'll want to check that one first. |
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| 19:09.51 | greycat | Ctrl-Alt-F2, login as root, type 'df' and see if your file systems are full |
| 19:10.52 | jhutchins | greycat: Even better. |
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| 19:13.46 | Agafnd | greycat, /dev/sda5 is 100% full. |
| 19:14.04 | greycat | What's that mounted as? |
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| 19:14.28 | Agafnd | it's mounted on / |
| 19:14.54 | greycat | OK, then this is quite likely to be the cause of your problem. You'll need to free up some space. I would personally start with "apt-get autoremove" |
| 19:15.26 | missmbob | and apt-get clean |
| 19:15.36 | Agafnd | greycat: that didn't remove anything |
| 19:16.09 | greycat | then you'll have to try to figure out where your space went. You can check /tmp and /var/tmp and /var/log for starters. |
| 19:16.39 | missmbob | `du -sh` might help |
| 19:17.00 | Agafnd | missmbob: what does that do? |
| 19:17.14 | greycat | gives a summary of disk space |
| 19:17.15 | missmbob | lists folders and their sizes |
| 19:17.32 | greycat | err, absence of space... takenness-up of space... |
| 19:17.39 | jhutchins | My favorite is logroate -f /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 19:17.54 | missmbob | heh |
| 19:18.18 | greycat | I typically do a series of "cd /var/log; du -sk *" type commands. |
| 19:18.38 | Agafnd | du -sh in /tmp gives 56K |
| 19:18.53 | missmbob | then /tmp isnt it, obviously |
| 19:19.03 | missmbob | jesus christ i'm getting sick of mysql security bugs |
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| 19:20.03 | Agafnd | in /var/tmp it's 537M |
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| 19:20.24 | greycat | Noteworthy, but probably not The Main Problem. |
| 19:20.30 | Agafnd | in /var/log it's 904M |
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| 19:21.06 | DammitJim | is there an easy way to give permissions to a user/group for a samba mount? |
| 19:21.20 | DammitJim | I'm trying to do uid and gid, but it keeps showing as root |
| 19:21.33 | greycat | Define "do" and "showing as". |
| 19:21.46 | unborn | DammitJim: perhaps restart the samba? |
| 19:22.06 | greycat | Samba just relies on the underlying operating system permissions. So you can use ls -l and getfacl to see them all. |
| 19:22.14 | DammitJim | username=writer,password=wpasswordr,domain=RUG,dirmod e=0770,uid=quartz,gid=quartz |
| 19:22.20 | missmbob | samba accessing a windows box, right? you cant have uid/gid in ntfs/fat |
| 19:22.31 | DammitJim | no, sorry... accessing another linux server |
| 19:22.34 | DammitJim | red hat in this case from debian |
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| 19:22.43 | greycat | I assumed "samba exporting a linux file system from my Debian server" |
| 19:23.05 | teraflops | Agafnd: it's your system... it's a desktop? if yes I'd look in home folder |
| 19:23.08 | unborn | DammitJim: whats the file system you are using on that hdd you sharing out? |
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| 19:23.21 | DammitJim | let me check |
| 19:23.27 | teraflops | .cache pr0n and so on ;P |
| 19:23.33 | jhutchins | DammitJim: You need to set the permissions on the samba server. |
| 19:23.34 | unborn | :D |
| 19:23.52 | Agafnd | teraflops: /home is /dev/sda7 |
| 19:24.09 | teraflops | and? |
| 19:24.38 | DammitJim | weird |
| 19:24.51 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Although I think you can set the permission on the mountpoint in fstab/mount. |
| 19:24.53 | unborn | Agafnd: you should check log files.. those are massive.. perhaps its something wrong there and it keeps generating the mess.. if you not concern about any issues.. just delete those log files |
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| 19:25.15 | unborn | DammitJim: im sorry but I do not know weird files system.. eh |
| 19:25.20 | Agafnd | unborn: which log files? all of them? |
| 19:25.21 | teraflops | Agafnd: ah /home is in separated disk? |
| 19:25.40 | Agafnd | teraflops: yeah, seperate partition with only 5% usage |
| 19:25.56 | teraflops | ah sorry |
| 19:25.57 | unborn | Agafnd: yes - or those the biggest ones.. but I would still read them just for sake of issues with your server or possibly any other problems |
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| 19:26.38 | Agafnd | unborn: how would I locate the "biggest ones"? |
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| 19:26.46 | unborn | delete them only if you are sure 1000% that there is no problem with your server |
| 19:26.58 | neilthereildeil | hey, i just read the ldconfig man page |
| 19:27.00 | jhutchins | Agafnd: ls, possibly with sort, du... |
| 19:27.02 | teraflops | Agafnd: look at the size of the logs and coredumps too |
| 19:27.18 | neilthereildeil | and am a little confused about how to specifically updated 1 so lib file |
| 19:27.33 | neilthereildeil | i dont have a whole dir of so files |
| 19:27.45 | neilthereildeil | just 1 that i want to replace. how can i do this? |
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| 19:28.03 | greycat | neilthereildeil: You MUST make a lib directory of your own. Do NOT try to contaminate an existing one. |
| 19:28.03 | unborn | Agafnd: aha.. well.. use filezilla or mc.. it will show you the size.. I guess you are not very familiar with terminal.. so that would make it easy for you. |
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| 19:28.16 | unborn | Agafnd: mc you can use from terminal |
| 19:28.32 | missmbob | unborn: wtf? how did you jump to "use filezilla"? |
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| 19:28.52 | neilthereildeil | greycat: ok. making my own lib /etc/ld.so.conf.d/customLibs |
| 19:28.59 | jhutchins | neilthereildeil: iirc the process scans the configured diretories and adds any new files. |
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| 19:29.05 | jhutchins | neilthereildeil: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html |
| 19:29.06 | greycat | neilthereildeil: *sigh* My god, you cannot be this thick. You just can't. |
| 19:29.09 | GivenToCode | any recommendations for screen recording software? I've used recordMyDesktop but interested in what others use |
| 19:29.23 | DammitJim | it was my fault... I had specified the owner of the folder as root |
| 19:29.24 | DammitJim | blah |
| 19:29.26 | GivenToCode | (I'm on debian 8) |
| 19:29.51 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Mine are all owned by root but world readable. |
| 19:29.53 | unborn | missmbob: he wanted to know whats the file size.. since he does not know terminal (my assumption) he can ssh with filezilla and it will show him in mbs or gbs right a way.. it was an gui option for him.. |
| 19:29.54 | jmcnaught | GivenToCode: the script command in the bsdutils package :) |
| 19:29.58 | unborn | or I am wrong? |
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| 19:30.12 | Agafnd | unborn: wait a moment, is software installed on the root filesystem? if so I can probably remove a few things |
| 19:30.17 | greycat | unborn: he needs to find some junk to delete to make his root file system not be 100% full any more. |
| 19:30.19 | missmbob | unborn: you're insane. you dont install/launch/use filezilla to look at filesize. |
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| 19:30.37 | greycat | Agafnd: In a system with just / and /home, yes, ALL software is installed in / |
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| 19:30.51 | MrKeuner | hi, installed to Jessie + GNOME Shell 3.14.4. Noticed that middle mouse button doesn't send a window to back, is that intended? also left alt + left mouse button doesn't move a window either... How can I fix that? |
| 19:30.54 | unborn | im not.. I told him to have look on biggest files.. |
| 19:31.15 | Agafnd | greycat: so I should be able to apt-get remove <some useless game> to free up a little space? |
| 19:31.20 | greycat | Agafnd: yes |
| 19:31.45 | jhutchins | Agafnd: You should run the clean command first though. |
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| 19:33.30 | Agafnd | greycat: apparently it can't do that because there's no space left on the device? |
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| 19:34.00 | jmcnaught | GivenToCode: more seriously, ctrl+shift+alt+R in GNOME will record to ~/Videos. Or if you do "apt-cache search screencast" you'll see some other options |
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| 19:34.23 | missmbob | Agafnd: you were root? root generally saves 5% unless you change it |
| 19:34.34 | greycat | Agafnd: try "apt-get clean" first. This is much more aggressive than autoclean. |
| 19:34.36 | jmcnaught | MrKeuner: did you look in the gnome-tweak-tool AKA advanced settings? |
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| 19:36.41 | Agafnd | greycat: after running apt-get clean and then the same remove command it tells me I need to dpkg --configure -a because it was interupted |
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| 19:36.58 | greycat | Progress! |
| 19:37.04 | teraflops | we are assuming he cannot install nothing because / is 100% |
| 19:37.17 | greycat | What does df / say now? |
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| 19:37.39 | teraflops | Agafnd: if you can install now ncdu it would be helpful |
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| 19:38.10 | Agafnd | greycat: still 100%. Should I run the dpkg command? |
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| 19:38.48 | greycat | Find *something* to delete, that isn't in /home. Some old log file. Anything, really, that you don't need. |
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| 19:39.43 | ompaul | greycat: is there a pastebinned df -h output from that |
| 19:39.54 | Agafnd | greycat: would user.log be fine, or is that important |
| 19:40.29 | jhutchins | Agafnd: You could try the logrotate command I suggested earlier. That can free space without loosing anything important. |
| 19:40.35 | `Kevin | x2 @ ncdu, or simply du |
| 19:41.00 | greycat | jhutchins: might fail when /var is too full to make copies. |
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| 19:41.31 | greycat | Agafnd: a /var/log/user.log* file of substantial size? I have no idea. Mine is negligible and only contains osprober output. |
| 19:41.35 | teraflops | coredumps can take a lot of space too |
| 19:41.39 | jhutchins | greycat: Yes, theoretically, but I've never hit that. |
| 19:41.59 | greycat | Debian turns off the coredump ulimit by default though. |
| 19:42.02 | jhutchins | teraflops: Yes, definitely ditch coredumps, but most systems have 'em turned off. |
| 19:42.11 | teraflops | journal can grow big too |
| 19:42.56 | Agafnd | jhutchins: sorry, I didn't catch what you said earlier |
| 19:42.57 | jmcnaught | journal is not persistent by default |
| 19:43.15 | teraflops | greycat jmcnaught ah didnt knew that |
| 19:43.59 | Agafnd | so I should try "logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf"? |
| 19:44.03 | jhutchins | teraflops: /run/log/journal |
| 19:44.13 | jhutchins | Agafnd: Worth a shot. |
| 19:44.14 | greycat | Isn't /run a ram file system though? |
| 19:44.22 | teraflops | sorry I tune systemd so much in jessie. true jornalctl is not persistent |
| 19:44.26 | `Kevin | Agafnd: if you have du installed : >> sudo du --max-depth=1 -hx / |
| 19:44.27 | jhutchins | greycat: Right, so not persistent. |
| 19:44.35 | teraflops | jhutchins: yeah |
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| 19:47.49 | jhutchins | teraflops: Is that all of the logging systemd does? |
| 19:48.29 | teraflops | jhutchins: it redirects all the shit to syslog |
| 19:48.38 | Agafnd | `Kevin: ok, I ran that |
| 19:48.46 | `Kevin | Agafnd: can you pastebin the output |
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| 19:49.08 | Agafnd | `Kevin: sure, give me a couple minutes... |
| 19:50.03 | ompaul | what does df -h look like? i.e. how much room was there in the first place |
| 19:50.38 | `Kevin | ompaul: will get an idea of that from the paste :) |
| 19:51.04 | greycat | Remember, you can create a pastebin from the console with somecommand | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 19:51.35 | jhutchins | greycat: Cool. |
| 19:51.42 | teraflops | if netcat installed |
| 19:51.44 | `Kevin | greycat: nice |
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| 19:52.13 | master00003 | hi, how do i change the font for the menu taskbar where it says "menu"? |
| 19:52.14 | teraflops | it you have curl you can paste to ptpb ix or sprunge too |
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| 19:52.41 | `Kevin | if not could likely just redirect to /dev/tcp/termbin.com/9999 |
| 19:53.01 | ompaul | master00003: that depends on which window manager is installed, and then on which theme if any that it is running. |
| 19:53.17 | jhutchins | As long as we're at it, GDM allows cut-and-paste through lynx |
| 19:53.32 | Agafnd | greycat: thanks! |
| 19:53.44 | Agafnd | `Kevin: here: http://termbin.com/vcen |
| 19:54.09 | `Kevin | ow yea thats a small root |
| 19:54.09 | greycat | `Kevin: no, you need a much more substantial bit of bash programming to do an HTTP request and result-fetch |
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| 19:54.29 | `Kevin | greycat: indeed :) |
| 19:54.49 | MrKeuner | jmcnaught, that helped, thank you |
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| 19:55.14 | `Kevin | Agafnd: sudo du --max-depth=1 -hx /usr /var |
| 19:55.21 | teraflops | your root is 8G? |
| 19:55.35 | Agafnd | teraflops: apparently. |
| 19:55.38 | teraflops | sdcard? |
| 19:55.53 | missmbob | no wonder you're out of room |
| 19:56.09 | teraflops | Agafnd: Apparently? |
| 19:56.25 | teraflops | it's your system... |
| 19:56.43 | master00003 | using cinnamon |
| 19:56.48 | Agafnd | `Kevin: http://termbin.com/mwt3 |
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| 19:56.59 | jhutchins | !cinnamon |
| 19:56.59 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>. http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
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| 19:57.31 | Agafnd | teraflops: yes but I apparently I don't know what I'm doing! :P |
| 19:57.37 | teraflops | oh |
| 19:57.56 | `Kevin | Agafnd: ok as others have stated, i would find the largest logs in var/log to get rid of (older ones) to free up enough space to make apt-get work |
| 19:58.06 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.11 | ompaul | woops |
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| 19:58.33 | Agafnd | `Kevin: okay. How do I find the largest logs? |
| 19:58.39 | jhutchins | It will record a space. |
| 19:58.41 | master00003 | ompaul, im using cinnamon |
| 19:58.44 | `Kevin | Agafnd: then I would remove excessive packages given your 8G root FS you likely have too much installed as per space used by /usr |
| 19:58.44 | greycat | cd /var/log; du -sk * | sort -n |
| 19:58.59 | jhutchins | Agafnd: Using the same tools you have been using. ls -l, du, etc. |
| 19:58.59 | `Kevin | usr/share etc |
| 19:59.02 | ompaul | master00003: so look at the theme it is using - I'm not a cinnamon user |
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| 19:59.11 | `Kevin | Agafnd: ^ do what greycat posted |
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| 20:00.08 | master00003 | ompaul, thnx |
| 20:01.21 | Agafnd | greycat, here's the output: http://termbin.com/s9ig |
| 20:01.45 | Agafnd | so I guess user.log.1 or messages.1 would be the ones to delete? |
| 20:01.47 | greycat | So start by truncating messages.1 |
| 20:01.50 | greycat | > messages.1 |
| 20:01.52 | greycat | NOT rm |
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| 20:02.12 | Agafnd | just, "> messages.1"? |
| 20:02.35 | greycat | yes |
| 20:03.01 | ompaul | as root>>> cat /dev/null > file-goes-here <<< |
| 20:03.07 | greycat | That is the csh approach. |
| 20:03.19 | Agafnd | greycat: okay, did that |
| 20:03.32 | greycat | So you should have 290MB of free space. |
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| 20:03.49 | greycat | One would hope that's enough to run apt and dpkg. |
| 20:05.18 | Agafnd | greycat, so, I was able to remove a few things with apt |
| 20:06.32 | greycat | In the ideal universe, you should be able to login through your display manager now. |
| 20:06.46 | Agafnd | okay |
| 20:07.16 | `Kevin | Agafnd: its your system but given the small root size I would edit /etc/logrotate.conf, change weekly to daily .. also entries in /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 20:07.23 | Agafnd | ...how do I go from the CLI to the DM |
| 20:07.46 | greycat | logout of this terminal, and try Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 20:08.19 | teraflops | just reboot since some services could have failed due root filled |
| 20:08.42 | Agafnd | yeah, ctrl-alt-f1 didn't do anything |
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| 20:10.14 | Agafnd | oh happy day! |
| 20:10.21 | Agafnd | I got to the desktop! |
| 20:11.35 | Agafnd | is it possible to expand the root filesystem? |
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| 20:12.00 | neilthereildeil | greycat: i thought you said to copy my custom .so file in a folder in /etc/ld.so.conf.d |
| 20:12.41 | greycat | neilthereildeil: No. Put your SHARED LIBRARY FILE in a BRAND NEW DIRECTORY that you create specifically for this purpose. Put the NAME OF YOUR BRAND NEW DIRECTORY in either /etc/ld.so.conf before the include, or in a NEW FILE in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/; then run ldconfig. |
| 20:13.00 | `Kevin | Agafnd: pastebin, sudo parted -l |
| 20:13.12 | `Kevin | likely not.. :) |
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| 20:15.37 | Agafnd_ | changing clients :) |
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| 20:16.34 | Agafnd | `Kevin: http://pastebin.com/LEL5xmw9 |
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| 20:17.10 | Agafnd | (I have Windows 7 on another partition, btw) |
| 20:17.47 | missmbob | fucking big swap |
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| 20:18.16 | `Kevin | althalus: option you have would involve stealing some of the space from swap |
| 20:18.23 | `Kevin | Agafnd: * ^ rather |
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| 20:18.50 | jhutchins | Agafnd: Back up partitions. Resize. Restore files. |
| 20:18.50 | neilthereildeil | greycat: ok thanks |
| 20:19.11 | jhutchins | Agafnd: If you are going to make changes to the partitions, MAKE A BACKUP!!! |
| 20:19.19 | neilthereildeil | greycat: just 1 clarification, can that new directory be in the /usr/local/lib directory? |
| 20:19.27 | neilthereildeil | with my custom so in it? |
| 20:19.33 | Agafnd | jhutchins: definitely |
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| 20:19.52 | greycat | You can just drop the shared library directly into /usr/local/lib instead of wherever you were putting it, and that alone would probably solve your problem. |
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| 20:21.02 | neilthereildeil | greycat: sorry for the multiple questions...didnt you say "Put your SHARED LIBRARY FILE in a BRAND NEW DIRECTORY"? |
| 20:21.14 | `Kevin | Agafnd: i boot from a live cd, swapoff, delete swap partition, resize rootfs an additional 4GB or so, re-create swap with the left over and resize2fs the rooftfs .... |
| 20:21.16 | greycat | ... hmm. Unless you're on i386 or any other arch whose name in libc space is before "libc" |
| 20:21.28 | `Kevin | Agafnd: I suggest making a backup of root like jhutchins noted |
| 20:21.39 | `Kevin | Agafnd: we will not give you all the commands todo this, you need to research this :) |
| 20:22.06 | greycat | The lack of prefix numbers on /etc/ld.so.conf.d/* is really worrying. |
| 20:22.31 | greycat | I don't think Debian libc people actually considered what would happen if libraries with the same name are installed in multiple locations. |
| 20:22.32 | Agafnd | `Kevin: fine, I was thinking of doing that on a later date, anyway |
| 20:23.46 | neilthereildeil | greycat: i just did exactly what u said, but what you said about dropping the file directly in usr/local/lib contradicted what you said earlier. also, the modified lib has the same exact name as the original |
| 20:24.08 | greycat | neilthereildeil: where were you putting it before? |
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| 20:24.28 | neilthereildeil | i dropped it directly in usr/local/lib, but then you said "Put your SHARED LIBRARY FILE in a BRAND NEW DIRECTORY" |
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| 20:24.40 | greycat | neilthereildeil: Where were you putting it *originally*, before you asked us for help? |
| 20:24.43 | `Kevin | Agafnd: it might make sense to rebuild from scratch if you have another HD ... give root 30GB or so then copy things back as needed |
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| 20:25.03 | neilthereildeil | directly in usr/local/lib |
| 20:25.09 | neilthereildeil | not in any dir |
| 20:25.21 | greycat | neilthereildeil: OK. If that didn't work, then forget the "Hey, maybe /usr/local/lib will work" idea. |
| 20:25.46 | Agafnd | `Kevin: sounds reasonable, I'll think about that |
| 20:25.54 | greycat | I assumed you were putting it in /usr/lib or /lib/i386-linux-gnu/ or something SINCE YOU NEVER TOLD US |
| 20:26.06 | Agafnd | or I could just run nothing but appimages :P |
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| 20:27.35 | neilthereildeil | greycat: ahh ok |
| 20:28.02 | neilthereildeil | so i put a custom version right next to the original in uar/local/lib |
| 20:28.14 | neilthereildeil | i had a .orig and .modified version of the so |
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| 20:28.43 | neilthereildeil | but i followed exactly what you said about creatijg a custom dir, and ran ldconfig -v |
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| 20:29.04 | neilthereildeil | and the symlink points to .orig |
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| 20:29.58 | neilthereildeil | greycat: so now what im doing is creating a custom dir under usr/local/lib |
| 20:30.07 | neilthereildeil | and the modified lib has the same name as the original |
| 20:30.10 | greycat | Fuck me. |
| 20:30.14 | greycat | Just ... jesus christ why. |
| 20:30.26 | neilthereildeil | omg im following exactly what you said... |
| 20:30.46 | greycat | I have no idea whether ld.so recurses into subdirs. |
| 20:31.01 | greycat | Sane people DO NOT MAKE NESTED HIERARCHIES of lib directories. |
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| 20:31.52 | neilthereildeil | so what should i try? |
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| 20:32.02 | `Kevin | ^ iirc indeed it does not recurse, and agreed it doesn't make sense |
| 20:32.24 | neilthereildeil | should i copy the so to a new dir in /etc/ld.so.config.d? |
| 20:32.44 | greycat | I can't take any more. This is killing me. Sorry. *plonk* |
| 20:33.06 | neilthereildeil | i cant tell if ur mad at me or ld. i followed what you said exactly |
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| 20:33.23 | neilthereildeil | thanks for your time though |
| 20:33.48 | ompaul | greycat: new iphone much? |
| 20:33.50 | ompaul | :-) |
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| 20:34.54 | DammitJim | should I be creating a new user for each samba connection to a server? |
| 20:35.17 | DammitJim | say, server A needs to get read/write access to /srv/myapp on server C |
| 20:35.31 | DammitJim | then server B needs the same access to /srv/myapp on server C |
| 20:35.43 | DammitJim | then server D needs the same access |
| 20:35.56 | DammitJim | but servers A, B, and D have completely different applications |
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| 20:36.17 | neilthereildeil | anyone know how to overwrite default system .so libs to point to custom versions of the same lib? |
| 20:36.24 | neilthereildeil | i think this has to do with ldconfig... |
| 20:37.25 | jhutchins | neilthereildeil: You were following what you read, not what he wrote. |
| 20:37.50 | jhutchins | neilthereildeil: Did you see the link I sent you earlier? |
| 20:38.02 | neilthereildeil | jhutchins: yea |
| 20:38.07 | neilthereildeil | and i read a few more and the manpage |
| 20:38.07 | jhutchins | neilthereildeil: I believe you do NOT want to give a new library the same name |
| 20:38.13 | neilthereildeil | ohh ok |
| 20:38.32 | jhutchins | neilthereildeil: Although just replacing it might work - as long as you have backups. |
| 20:38.37 | greycat | jhutchins: I've installed new versions of libvorbis that took priority over the Debian version. I never had ANYTHING LIKE the problems neil is reporting. |
| 20:39.01 | jhutchins | greycat: You pretty much know your way around Linux though. |
| 20:39.08 | nezZario | can someone explain the difference between the drivers in firmware-linux-nonfree and the fglrx drivers for radeon cards? |
| 20:39.13 | greycat | But this could be due to an arch name that coincidentally doesn't break with the stupidity I see in Debian's /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
| 20:39.42 | greycat | jhutchins: Also, I used LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 20:39.52 | nezZario | i've seen some people talk about the "libre" drivers for radeon cards and it seems there is a separate set of drivers in firmware-linux-nonfree and using fglrx but neither of those seem 'libre' |
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| 20:40.14 | `Kevin | nezZario: ancient vs new |
| 20:40.19 | neilthereildeil | i want to avoid LDD_LIBRARY_PATH because i want this to be a permanent system-wide change |
| 20:40.26 | nezZario | `Kevin: which one is new ? |
| 20:40.45 | jmcnaught | nezZario: radeon is the free/libre driver. that driver requires a non-free firmware. firmwares are not the same kind of thing as drivers. |
| 20:40.47 | `Kevin | nezZario: fglrx is what amd/ati ships out now |
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| 20:41.07 | `Kevin | nezZario: or `ATIProprietary` |
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| 20:41.23 | nezZario | jmcnaught: ahhh ok, .. so fglrx is nonfree firmware+driver and the other is a free driver + nonfree firmware ? |
| 20:41.35 | nezZario | yeah i had all kinds of issues figuring this out |
| 20:41.47 | jmcnaught | nezZario: yeah. also radeon is slow getting replaced with an amdgpu driver (which isn't available in jessie) |
| 20:41.59 | nezZario | for some reason xrandr's options wouldn't show under xfce's config until I used it manually for the first time |
| 20:42.29 | jmcnaught | fglrx doesn't integrate as well as radeon, but is faster. |
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| 20:43.12 | nezZario | so i thought the xinerama thing was the only way to achieve independent dual monitor support, but that was causing all kinds of issues with apps expecting xrandr |
| 20:43.34 | nezZario | anyway just glad i got it fixed and now the dust is settled i'm trying to figure out what I just did .. that explains it fairly well.. thanks |
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| 20:45.25 | `Kevin | jmcnaught: I wasnt aware of amdgpu :) nice |
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| 20:50.45 | jhutchins | nezZario: There are also two different "drivers", the kernel module and the X module. |
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| 20:58.01 | ryouma | are there any codecs that i can install for vlc on debian that will make it play videos that don't show video? |
| 20:58.20 | ryouma | i have a "HEVC2 AAC" video that does not show video but audio works. smplayer does nothing. |
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| 21:04.33 | jmcnaught | ryouma: "apt-cache search hevc" lists a library that handles that codec. You could try looking around with "apt-cache rdepends" to find something that uses it |
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| 21:05.15 | missmbob | ryouma: mpv works. so does vlc. |
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| 21:05.34 | missmbob | ryouma: i backported mpv to jessie if you want a more recent binary |
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| 21:07.17 | jmcnaught | ryouma: ahh.. that library libx265-87 is in jessie-backports |
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| 21:23.37 | ryouma | jmcnaught: missmbob thanks. the rdepends just lists other libraries. i already have that library installed. |
| 21:23.57 | ryouma | so dunno why vlc not workj |
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| 21:24.49 | jmcnaught | ryouma: does VLC use any of those libraries? |
| 21:25.00 | missmbob | ryouma: dont suppose you can post said video? |
| 21:25.09 | ryouma | jmcnaught: i don't know what to do to check |
| 21:25.12 | jmcnaught | ryouma: ldd $(which vlc) |
| 21:25.26 | ryouma | mpv jessie version is audio only with no window showing |
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| 21:25.49 | ryouma | jmcnaught: nope, that library is not htere |
| 21:25.53 | missmbob | ryouma: if you want to try a modern mpv i recently backported it https://dipconsultants.com/jessie/?dir=mpv/binaries |
| 21:26.06 | ryouma | i have *** 2.0-4~bpo8+1 0 |
| 21:26.39 | ryouma | missmbob: ok, i will try "aptitude install -tjessie-backports mpv" (correct?) |
| 21:26.44 | crash_ | missmbob: i need all 3 files of your mpv? |
| 21:27.00 | missmbob | you dont need the dev one |
| 21:27.12 | ryouma | i'd prefer vlc to play it if possible, because vlc is what deluge calls |
| 21:27.13 | missmbob | ryouma: no. you download the debs i linked and dpkg -i |
| 21:27.28 | crash_ | missmbob: ok :) i will try |
| 21:27.53 | ryouma | missmbob: ah, nervous installing packages that are not actually in the repo (just my own thing) |
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| 21:28.15 | missmbob | ryouma: feel free to backport it yourself. just saying it works here fine with hevc |
| 21:28.20 | teraflops | ryouma: are you sure deluge *calls* vlc? |
| 21:28.32 | missmbob | deluge calls xdg-open |
| 21:28.40 | teraflops | ryouma: what does xdg-open media.file? |
| 21:28.54 | teraflops | missmbob: that's what I think |
| 21:29.03 | missmbob | teraflops: i know it. i programmed it :P |
| 21:29.40 | ryouma | "xdg-open: file 'media.file' does not exist". but if i switch to mpv, then i can't use vlc. deluge does not offer both so that i could choose. it just has "open". |
| 21:29.52 | teraflops | ryouma: ^ |
| 21:30.07 | ryouma | (but jessie mpv does not play the video either) |
| 21:30.29 | missmbob | jessie mpv shouldnt be used. it's horribly old. especially since backporting it is so simple |
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| 21:30.35 | ryouma | teraflops: i don't understand your ^ |
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| 21:31.05 | teraflops | ,v mediainfo |
| 21:31.06 | judd | Package: mediainfo on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.58-1; jessie: 0.7.70-1; sid: 0.7.88-1; stretch: 0.7.88-1 |
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| 21:31.42 | teraflops | ryouma: I meant a multimedia file on your system |
| 21:32.20 | ryouma | teraflops: vlc |
| 21:32.32 | teraflops | missmbob: I agree, it also lacks all the youtube-dl candies |
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| 21:33.18 | teraflops | ryouma: so deluge opens the *default* media player associated with the file extension |
| 21:33.49 | jmcnaught | "apt-cache --recurse depends vlc|grep 265" says that vlc is using libx265-87. ryouma are you sure this file is valid? |
| 21:33.49 | ryouma | teraflops: yeah i think so. i think i had to switch it for each extension, which was annoying. but i always want vlc unless vlc cannot play something. |
| 21:34.02 | teraflops | fair enough |
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| 21:34.50 | teraflops | ryouma: e.g gnome has a default video player thingy |
| 21:35.11 | ryouma | jmcnaught: it should be valid. and i have had the same problem with other files that should be valid. |
| 21:35.22 | teraflops | no idea what DE there though |
| 21:35.35 | ryouma | teraflops: i don't undersatnd what you are saying about gnome. i do not use gnome. |
| 21:35.51 | teraflops | e.g stands for an example |
| 21:36.06 | ryouma | example of what? |
| 21:36.09 | teraflops | ok |
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| 21:36.22 | missmbob | so no way for you to post this file? |
| 21:36.33 | teraflops | I better stop here it's extenuating |
| 21:36.35 | teraflops | :P |
| 21:36.53 | climjark | im getting a weird output of glxinfo |
| 21:37.21 | climjark | name of display: :0.0 |
| 21:37.21 | climjark | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 21:37.24 | ryouma | missmbob: not sure if it's a good idea to post the file or not, erring on caution |
| 21:37.40 | teraflops | missmbob: mediainfo should say all the codec info |
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| 21:38.16 | awal1 | One have to click (with mouse) somewhere in chromium tab(s) for be able to clear history using keyboard (Shift+Ctrl+Delete). Without mouse click no way! Is that a bug in chromium or what? |
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| 21:38.36 | awal1 | probably google won't people clear history (?) :P |
| 21:39.16 | missmbob | awal1: i dont use chromium but they have an official channel #chromium |
| 21:39.58 | jmcnaught | awal1: does <TAB> work? |
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| 21:40.19 | ryouma | jmcnaught: missmbob http://sprunge.us/ejLa |
| 21:40.33 | ryouma | teraflops: |
| 21:41.00 | awal1 | missmbob, the guardian of debian rules, topic/offtopic :P |
| 21:41.03 | ryouma | (not sure what you mean by extenuating. you are saying that somthing is lessening the extent of something?) |
| 21:41.07 | awal1 | jmcnaught, let me try |
| 21:41.31 | missmbob | ryouma: does this work? https://s3.amazonaws.com/x265.org/video/Tears_400_x265.mp4 |
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| 21:42.12 | teraflops | ryouma: so it's a HEVC/AAC mkv |
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| 21:42.24 | awal1 | jmcnaught, good tip; pressing Tab shift+ctrl+delete works without mouse clic first |
| 21:42.29 | awal1 | thanks for the tip :) |
| 21:42.45 | ryouma | missmbob: your video does the opposite. it shows video but no sound. |
| 21:43.12 | missmbob | uh. i'm worried about the format profile |
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| 21:43.16 | jmcnaught | ryouma: you should also try "vlc filename.mkv" on the terminal to see if there are errors, and/or use Ctrl+M in VLC to view messages window, which has a verbosity control |
| 21:43.23 | missmbob | ryouma: Format profile : Unknown@L3.1 that's not...right |
| 21:43.46 | jmcnaught | awal1: most GUI programs let you use the TAB key to select elements |
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| 21:45.31 | ryouma | jmcnaught: ctrl-m results in a blank dialog box. running it produces output with no errors or warnings except "[000000000182d818] pulse audio output error: PulseAudio server connection failure: Connection refused" which is natural because i have no pulseaudio (purged it because it was too buggy). audio works fine. |
| 21:45.55 | missmbob | are you using deb-multimedia packages? |
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| 21:46.26 | ryouma | missmbob: do you mean a solecistic repo? no, just main debian repos + backports repo. |
| 21:46.59 | ryouma | non-debian* |
| 21:47.29 | ryouma | (i.e. my sources.list is pretty standard) |
| 21:47.54 | awal1 | jmcnaught, firefox just shows up a pop up window for clear history when you press shift+ctrl+delete, no mouse interaction needed. But chromium, say you have 4 tabs open: you closes them with ctrl+w, but when you are in the last tab if you want clear history using keyboard, shift+ctrl+delete, chromium stops responding to keyboard interaction; first you clic with mouse inside the tab then it let you use keyboard for clear history. thats what I was talking |
| 21:47.54 | awal1 | about. I guess you understand the "issue" ? |
| 21:49.04 | jmcnaught | awal1: oh, chromium doesn't seem to respond to the shortcut if the location bar is selected, pressing TAB there works too |
| 21:50.54 | teraflops | missmbob: heh the video you pasted has no audio track |
| 21:51.02 | awal1 | jmcnaught, right, pressing tab works; but in the case of firefox, the keyboard still caprured no matters which stuff is selected |
| 21:51.13 | awal1 | captured |
| 21:51.14 | missmbob | teraflops: he was complaining about hevc video not audio :P everyone's a critic |
| 21:51.28 | teraflops | missmbob: yeah I thought my system was borked :P |
| 21:51.32 | teraflops | hehe |
| 21:51.49 | missmbob | point being he saw my video. so...no problem |
| 21:51.54 | missmbob | has to be whatever he's viewing |
| 21:52.02 | teraflops | missmbob: I agree |
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| 21:58.58 | k3rn3lwalk3r_ | hi |
| 21:59.20 | k3rn3lwalk3r_ | im trying to install webcamstudio on debian based os |
| 21:59.29 | k3rn3lwalk3r_ | and getting errors |
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| 22:00.03 | k3rn3lwalk3r_ | while installing webcamstudio-dkms_0.61_all.deb |
| 22:00.15 | k3rn3lwalk3r_ | can anyone help me |
| 22:00.29 | mtn | k3rn3lwalk3r_: only debian is supported here |
| 22:00.42 | missmbob | !tell k3rn3lwalk3r_ -about based on debian |
| 22:01.02 | missmbob | k3rn3lwalk3r_: this isnt your first time, either. |
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| 22:02.28 | ryouma | so perhaps both of the videos i tried are abnormal and the library will not work, or the library is corrupted |
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| 22:03.19 | teraflops | ryouma: sounds reasonable, sharing the video would help though |
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| 22:13.09 | Elronnd | does anyone have any good recommendations for 2-d animation software? |
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| 22:21.07 | master_01 | help http://imgur.com/a/I0OFo |
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| 22:22.51 | BenNZ | master_01: easiest fix would be to install the fglrx driver |
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| 22:23.19 | master_01 | BenNZ, k i'll try that thanks |
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| 22:23.48 | missmbob | !tell master_01 -about fglrx dkms |
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| 22:24.31 | master_01 | missmbob, i'll look into it thnx |
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| 22:25.03 | jmcnaught | Does cinnamon work with fglrx? because fglrx breaks GNOME. |
| 22:25.27 | missmbob | i have no idea |
| 22:26.08 | BenNZ | jmcnaught: does it other distros , so should do here |
| 22:26.11 | BenNZ | *in |
| 22:26.23 | master_01 | i will try non-free sources |
| 22:26.26 | master_01 | first |
| 22:26.31 | jmcnaught | master_01: before installing fglrx, did you try installing firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 22:26.41 | jmcnaught | master_01: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 22:28.22 | master_01 | i just might do what dpkg tells me first before anything "dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>." |
| 22:29.32 | jmcnaught | master_01: firmware-linux-nonfree package is in non-free, so this is the first step to enabling acceleration in the open source radeon driver too |
| 22:29.35 | master_01 | hmm no i'll just try the easy way first and install firmware-linux-nonfre i guess |
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| 22:29.49 | master_01 | ok thnx |
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| 22:31.27 | jmcnaught | master_01: good choice. look at the wiki page i linked to. the radeon driver integrates with the rest of Debian better than fglrx (which is closed source), and is still pretty fast for most uses |
| 22:32.26 | master_01 | i bookmarked https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 22:32.52 | master_01 | so i installed firmware-linux-nonfree, now just reboot? |
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| 22:33.56 | jmcnaught | master_01: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Installation step 4 :) |
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| 22:34.40 | master_01 | thanks |
| 22:34.45 | master_01 | rebooting |
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| 22:37.44 | lindylex | Where does are the mysql library files stored? I need to pass this parameter to build motion. |
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| 22:38.07 | master_01 | i guess it worked. how can i make sure? |
| 22:38.34 | somiaj | lindylex: what do you mean pass a parameter to the build motion? Do you need to rebuild mysql to include a build flag that is not included by debian? |
| 22:38.56 | somiaj | lindylex: or do you just need the mysql headers so you can build software against the mysql libaries on your system? |
| 22:39.21 | lindylex | I need to pass this parameter to motion. I am building it from source. --with-mysql-lib |
| 22:39.39 | somiaj | lindylex: you need the headers, these are included in -dev (development packages) |
| 22:39.42 | lindylex | somaij: yes "or do you just need the mysql headers so you can build software against the mysql libaries on your system?" |
| 22:39.54 | lindylex | I isntalled the dev package. |
| 22:40.09 | lindylex | I just need to specify where they are located. |
| 22:40.12 | somiaj | lindylex: which dev package? |
| 22:40.18 | jmcnaught | master_01: do you still get the warning you showed in your imgur link? you can run "glxinfo" |
| 22:40.21 | lindylex | mysql |
| 22:40.23 | somiaj | lindylex: dpkg -L packagename will list the contents of th epackage. |
| 22:40.54 | missmbob | lindylex: you didnt answer the question. if the right dev package is installed it'll find it automatically. mysql has a few. that's why he asked. |
| 22:41.04 | master_01 | no i didn't get a warning |
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| 22:41.34 | lindylex | missmbob: motion did not find it. I have no idea why it did not. |
| 22:41.45 | somiaj | lindylex: which package did you install? |
| 22:41.47 | missmbob | lindylex: so you're not going to answer which dev package? |
| 22:41.49 | lindylex | I installed sudo apt-get install mysql-server libmysqlclient-dev |
| 22:41.59 | master_01 | http://dpaste.com/1HYXX3P |
| 22:42.43 | somiaj | lindylex: that is only one of the multiple -dev packages I see for mysql. I don't know mysql well enough to know what -dev package you need, but it sounds like it isn't the client you want. |
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| 22:42.47 | master_01 | i guess i should also install libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 22:42.49 | master_01 | ? |
| 22:43.25 | jmcnaught | master_01: that third line is what you check in the glxinfo output. direct rendering means 3D acceleration is working |
| 22:43.40 | somiaj | lindylex: If I were to guess, I would think you would need libmysql++-dev, that contains the C++ headers. |
| 22:43.49 | master_01 | cool |
| 22:43.52 | lindylex | I am following the instruction on motion help file motion_guide.html on git hub. |
| 22:44.04 | jmcnaught | master_01: line 43 too |
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| 22:44.56 | master_01 | do i still install libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati like the url you posted suggests? |
| 22:45.08 | somiaj | lindylex: in my experience building things, if I have the correct -dev package installed, things are detected automatically. So I would assume this is similar and the reason it isn't working is you don't have the correct -dev package installed for the libaries it needs. |
| 22:45.19 | missmbob | ,v motion |
| 22:45.24 | judd | Package: motion on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.12-3.4; jessie: 3.2.12+git20140228-4+b3; stretch: 3.2.12+git20140228-9+b1; sid: 3.4.1-1 |
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| 22:45.41 | lindylex | I need version 3.4 |
| 22:45.49 | missmbob | ,checkbackport motion |
| 22:45.50 | judd | Backporting package motion in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 22:45.55 | missmbob | !tell lindylex about ssb |
| 22:46.08 | somiaj | lindylex: this may help. add a deb-src to your sources.list and then use apt-get build-dep motion |
| 22:46.16 | master_01 | coming from linux mint i didn't have to do all this |
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| 22:46.31 | master_01 | but it's good to learn |
| 22:46.35 | somiaj | master_01: are you trying to use the non-free fglrx drivers? |
| 22:47.01 | master_01 | firmware-linux-nonfree is installed |
| 22:47.05 | master_01 | and working |
| 22:47.20 | somiaj | master_01: or are you wanting to use the radeon open drivers? |
| 22:47.40 | master_01 | firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 22:48.37 | master_01 | jmcnaught, do i still install libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati like the url you posted suggests? |
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| 22:49.02 | jmcnaught | master_01: https://www.debian.org/social_contract this explains why non-free is optional. check with "apt-cache policy <packagename>", you probably already have those packages installed. |
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| 22:50.43 | master_01 | jmcnaught, thanks |
| 22:51.56 | jmcnaught | master_01: welcome |
| 22:52.31 | lindylex | somiaj: I have deb-scr http://termbin.com/c7zk |
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| 22:53.05 | master_01 | you're right those packages are already installed |
| 22:53.24 | somiaj | lindylex: you only have the deb-src for testing-updates, you need a deb-src for just testing (the palace the package lives) |
| 22:53.37 | somiaj | lindylex: also you should use 'stretch' instead of 'testing' in your sources.list |
| 22:53.58 | master_01 | anyone uses inxi? |
| 22:54.19 | jmcnaught | master_01: sounds like it's working properly then. give it a spin for a while and see if it works fast enough for you |
| 22:54.31 | somiaj | lindylex: one thing to note, since you are using testing (not stable) you should visit #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. It is not suggested you use testing for a server. Since you are using testing, installing the package from sid is possible and may not require you actually compile it from source. |
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| 22:55.07 | lindylex | Thanks |
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| 22:55.24 | master_01 | jmcnaught, i will be trying to game (urban terror) and see :) |
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| 22:55.45 | somiaj | in many cases the open radeon driver has comparable preformance to fgrlx-nonfree driver. |
| 22:56.06 | somiaj | and on older radeon cards it is the only option available, the non-free driver drops support of older cards. |
| 22:56.11 | master_01 | i will switch if anything |
| 22:56.32 | master_01 | somiaj, good to know |
| 22:57.57 | master_01 | all i need now is to update my grub, it reads Windows Recovery instead of just Windows 10... |
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| 22:58.04 | master_01 | need help with that |
| 22:58.17 | somiaj | master_01: do you have the os-prober package installed? |
| 22:58.54 | master_01 | yes |
| 22:59.12 | somiaj | master_01: are you booting windows and debian using (u)efi or legacy boot? |
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| 22:59.51 | master_01 | somiaj, i'm not sure |
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| 23:00.11 | somiaj | master_01: ls /boot/efi (do you see anything in that directory) |
| 23:00.45 | master_01 | ls: cannot access /boot/efi: No such file or directory |
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| 23:00.53 | YokoBR | hi folks and gals |
| 23:01.06 | master_01 | hi yoko |
| 23:01.32 | somiaj | master_01: well in debian you are using legacy boot. If you are using efi boot with windows you may not be able to load it with grub. You can run 'update-grub' just to see if it detects windows 10 any better, if not you may have to figure out what mode windows boots into and manully fix grub. |
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| 23:02.04 | YokoBR | well, i'm on debian jessie and when I turn it on I aways have to reboot 2, 3 times until wifi connects. Mine is Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 . |
| 23:02.32 | YokoBR | I've already tryied some tutorials, blacklisting stuff but none worked. |
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| 23:03.45 | YokoBR | every day I miss 30 min of work because of this. |
| 23:03.48 | somiaj | YokoBR: lets figure out why the wifi is having trouble as I don't see why rebooting fixes this. |
| 23:04.13 | YokoBR | my boss is getting angry lol |
| 23:04.28 | somiaj | !bcm4313 |
| 23:04.28 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727) - incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. Not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For device support, ask about me about <brcmsmac>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <bcm4331>. |
| 23:04.29 | jmcnaught | master_01: did you run "ls /boot/efi" as root? |
| 23:04.36 | missmbob | then tell your boss to buy you a new laptop. i'd milk that all day |
| 23:04.56 | somiaj | jmcnaught: I didn't need to run it as root on my system. |
| 23:04.57 | master_01 | jmcnaught, no i didn't, i will now |
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| 23:05.11 | YokoBR | somiaj: I'm already using the wl driver and b43 is blacklisted. |
| 23:05.24 | master_01 | it's su root right? |
| 23:05.29 | master_01 | to switch |
| 23:05.30 | somiaj | YokoBR: well when it boots and doesn't work, try to identify why it doesn't work. |
| 23:05.38 | somiaj | master_01: correct, or if you have sudo set up, just 'sudo ls /boot/efi' |
| 23:05.48 | jmcnaught | somiaj: /boot/efi is 700 root:root here |
| 23:06.42 | somiaj | YokoBR: i.e. does the wrong module get loaded? Is it an error with the firmware, or is the driver just flaky and you could just reload the module a few times to kick it into gear. |
| 23:06.43 | master_01 | ls: cannot access /boot/efi: No such file or directory |
| 23:07.00 | somiaj | jmcnaught: intertsing, mine is 755, fairly sure I'm using the defaults. |
| 23:07.10 | master_01 | so it's legacy then |
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| 23:07.27 | master_01 | i will try update-grub as root |
| 23:07.41 | missmbob | somiaj: 700 here... |
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| 23:08.50 | jmcnaught | drwx------ 3 root root 4096 Dec 31 1969 /boot/efi <-- that date looks off |
| 23:09.13 | master_01 | don't think it worked http://dpaste.com/1YGP5PK |
| 23:09.24 | somiaj | missmbob: hmm, that is probabaly better permisions. Unsure why mine is 755, it was a fresh jessie install I belive. |
| 23:09.58 | master_01 | i will reboot to make sure and see |
| 23:10.08 | climjark | got a dumb question here |
| 23:10.09 | somiaj | jmcnaught: mine has the same date, but its because it is a fat16 file system mounted there, so wonder if it is the /etc/fstab that sets up the permissions. |
| 23:10.24 | master_01 | brb |
| 23:10.33 | missmbob | i also have the same date |
| 23:10.37 | climjark | -dev packages, are they for development of the library or to use for developing programs with them |
| 23:10.44 | somiaj | jmcnaught, missmbob: in my /etc/fstab I have /boot/efi as vfat and defaults. |
| 23:10.56 | jmcnaught | somiaj: vfat umask=0077 here |
| 23:11.16 | missmbob | same umask=0077 here |
| 23:11.38 | somiaj | wonder if I just did something strange when I installed, or the installer has changed (I can't recall if I orignally installed this as a wheey or jessie machine) |
| 23:11.58 | missmbob | somiaj: i used jessie installer. i dont mess with the alpha stuff...so i dont know. |
| 23:12.04 | somiaj | climjark: the -dev packages contain the headers (.h files) needed to build software against those libaries. |
| 23:12.15 | somiaj | missmbob: me either, but this could have been a wheezy->jessie upgrade. |
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| 23:12.47 | climjark | somiaj, so i should install those packages to develop software with them |
| 23:13.07 | somiaj | climjark: if you need to compile software against those libaries, then yes. |
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| 23:13.42 | somiaj | climjark: maybe being a bit more specific about what you are doing will give you a more definitive answer. |
| 23:14.09 | somiaj | updates his /etc/fstab |
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| 23:14.26 | master_01 | still the same :-/ |
| 23:14.42 | climjark | somiaj, im creating a game engine using glew, sdl , openal and lua. i want to make sure im grabbing the correct packages, which are lib(libraryName)-dev |
| 23:15.11 | master_01 | but i fix this same issue when i used linux mint. i installed grub-customizer |
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| 23:15.26 | master_01 | it automatically fix the issue |
| 23:15.34 | teraflops | uses gummiboot on a couple of machines |
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| 23:16.15 | somiaj | teraflops: I keep meaning to swtich away from grub. with efi I see little reason for grub since the efi firmware is a good enough boot loader for multiple oses (or even kernels). |
| 23:16.23 | master_01 | but to install grub-customizer in debian is different and im not sure how to do it :-/ |
| 23:16.24 | jmcnaught | master_01: did you install using a live image? only the installer images support UEFI |
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| 23:16.38 | somiaj | climjark: then yes to compile the code you'll want the -dev packages for the libaries you are using with your #include lines. |
| 23:16.42 | teraflops | somiaj: systemd-boot is pretty fast and simple |
| 23:16.44 | master_01 | no in live no |
| 23:16.50 | master_01 | not* |
| 23:17.18 | climjark | thank you somiaj maybe one day my engine will be a package in the contrib distro ;D |
| 23:17.18 | teraflops | it's still called gummiboot in jessie |
| 23:17.48 | somiaj | teraflops: so systemd-boot is gummiboot or similar? |
| 23:18.13 | master_01 | i could try to run mint live and install grub-customizer to fix this, but i rather learn to install it on debian |
| 23:18.51 | master_01 | not as easy i see :-/ |
| 23:19.06 | somiaj | master_01: you can manually add your own boot entries to grub in /etc/grub.d/ and I wonder if grub-customizer is just diong that. |
| 23:19.27 | somiaj | master_01: look at /etc/grub.d/40_custom or /etc/grub.d/41_custom [though I'm unsure of what is needed to get it to boot windows 10] |
| 23:21.01 | teraflops | somiaj: gummiboot is how systemd-boot is called in jessie because it is an old version, jessie uses systemd 2.15 |
| 23:21.33 | teraflops | also the installer does not support gummiboot, at least the official one |
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| 23:22.11 | somiaj | teraflops: ahh, I didn't realize gumiboot was part of systemd. |
| 23:22.21 | teraflops | it's now |
| 23:22.27 | teraflops | hmm |
| 23:22.29 | tgunr | I'm trying out nftables for first time and reading discovered a tool, iptables-translate but can't find where to get it. |
| 23:22.34 | teraflops | somiaj: https://mediagoblin.mysticemporium.xyz/mgoblin_media/media_entries/11/output.webm |
| 23:22.38 | master_01 | somiaj, i'll look into it |
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| 23:27.29 | master_01 | http://dpaste.com/0D6VMAE and http://dpaste.com/1NAV7F0 |
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| 23:28.24 | master_01 | if i simply ad entries how will it know to link to windows 10 |
| 23:28.30 | master_01 | add* |
| 23:28.53 | somiaj | master_01: you will have to give it all the info about which partiton/disk/etc to boot from. |
| 23:29.06 | somiaj | master_01: I haven't dual booted with windows in so long I wouldn't be of much help what you actually need. |
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| 23:30.57 | master_01 | i'd rather just install grub-customizer |
| 23:31.14 | master_01 | somiaj, would you know how? :D |
| 23:31.55 | somiaj | since it is not part of debian. I don't. And being that mint is based of of ubuntu, it may not be compadable with how debian runs grub. |
| 23:32.19 | master_01 | :( |
| 23:33.15 | bazhang | the mint support is on spotchat irc |
| 23:33.22 | master_01 | i will go ahead and boot from a live mint and try |
| 23:34.10 | master_01 | bazhang, i'm a former mint user and been there for months :) |
| 23:34.29 | master_01 | but thnx anyway :) |
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| 23:35.44 | master_01 | i will brb and will let you guys know if it worked :P |
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| 23:39.50 | teraflops | tgunr: where's the fun converting rules with a script? |
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| 23:40.25 | tgunr | fun? what fun? |
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| 23:41.25 | teraflops | ⸠I'm trying out nftables for first time and reading discovered a tool, iptables-translate |
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| 23:46.45 | teraflops | tgunr: ah yo u think is not funny, sorry |
| 23:47.34 | tgunr | would be easier for me to understand if I could see my current rules as translated to nft |
| 23:47.58 | teraflops | tgunr: I can share a sample |
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| 23:48.09 | teraflops | a working example |
| 23:48.17 | tgunr | just found nftables sources, compiling it |
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| 23:49.04 | missmbob | ,v nftables |
| 23:49.05 | judd | Package: nftables on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.6-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.6-2; stretch: 0.6-2 |
| 23:49.19 | teraflops | tgunr: http://ix.io/VyG |
| 23:49.22 | awal1 | Wonders if systemd team have plans for throw out grub, xorg, linux and all gnu/linux major softwares... |
| 23:49.29 | missmbob | just need to add jessie-backports it seems. never used nftables myself |
| 23:49.36 | teraflops | awal1: ah good joke :P |
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| 23:49.58 | missmbob | awal1: xorg isnt long for this world anyway :P |
| 23:50.02 | tgunr | thanks |
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| 23:51.28 | missmbob | ,v iptables-nftables-compat |
| 23:51.29 | judd | Package: iptables-nftables-compat on amd64 -- sid: 1.6.0-3; stretch: 1.6.0-3 |
| 23:51.34 | missmbob | tgunr: see that too ^ |
| 23:51.35 | awal1 | teraflops, missmbob, well I won't be conditioned by systemd like google is doing with many stuff in the web jungle; monopolizing it all |
| 23:51.53 | tgunr | cc |
| 23:52.24 | missmbob | !tell tgunr -about ssb |
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| 23:52.37 | tgunr | sindle side band? |
| 23:52.45 | tgunr | single side band? |
| 23:52.45 | teraflops | awal1: thank $DEITIES you can use whatever you want |
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| 23:53.06 | missmbob | tgunr: the bot told you. how you get iptables-nftables-compat in jessie if you want |
| 23:53.32 | tgunr | added jessie backports, not finding that package |
| 23:53.53 | missmbob | because it's not in there. the first one i mentioned was, not the second. for the second you need ssb |
| 23:54.18 | tgunr | ah |
| 23:54.25 | awal1 | teraflops, now yes, but I'm worried for next near future; like conditioned by what Lennart & companions & redhat decides |
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| 23:54.58 | teraflops | awal1: nah use openbsd or voidlinux |
| 23:55.15 | awal1 | teraflops, :P |
| 23:55.51 | awal1 | first time I hear about gumiboot... |
| 23:57.20 | teraflops | it's in jessie ^ |
| 23:57.30 | awal1 | I see , yeah |