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| 00:04.39 | Ooze | What do you guys keep in your home directories? |
| 00:05.52 | AvatarA | whatever needs to be kept even if I change distro/update/reinstall |
| 00:06.26 | acsid | a text file with the letter d in it |
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| 00:07.00 | robertm___ | why the d? |
| 00:07.14 | acsid | it takes less space then a y |
| 00:07.41 | acsid | because y you need to explain something |
| 00:07.58 | robertm___ | ? |
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| 00:09.42 | robertm___ | How do I contribute to debian development? |
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| 00:16.39 | missmbob | robertm___: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-contributing |
| 00:17.30 | teraflops | Ooze: dotfiles |
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| 00:18.01 | missmbob | that's basically all i have, too. everything else is online or external in some way. |
| 00:19.22 | robertm___ | I looked at this briefly before. I am a computer science student looking for experience programming |
| 00:19.54 | missmbob | robertm___: so join a small open source project, like deluge (yeah, i'm biased, but still) |
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| 00:20.59 | robertm___ | Ok thanks |
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| 00:23.04 | foul_owl | Hi folks. I need a mono compiler that supports c#6. The mcs man page shows it supports up to version 4. There doesn't seem to be a newer version in the jessie backports |
| 00:23.11 | monoxane | wat |
| 00:23.12 | monoxane | oh |
| 00:23.15 | monoxane | >mono |
| 00:23.30 | monoxane | goes away again |
| 00:23.38 | foul_owl | However, the mono website says versions including 6 are supported |
| 00:24.44 | foul_owl | What's the "correct" way to proceed? Follow these instructions? http://www.mono-project.com/docs/getting-started/install/linux/#debian-ubuntu-and-derivatives |
| 00:24.46 | foul_owl | Thanks! |
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| 00:32.14 | olivier | Hello, I would like to know how can I install a appimage |
| 00:33.02 | missmbob | olivier: you dont |
| 00:33.21 | missmbob | olivier: you simply chmod +x to make it executable and then run it. ./foo.appimage |
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| 00:34.05 | missmbob | olivier: it's what windows folk call a "portable application" |
| 00:36.11 | missmbob | olivier: out of curiousity what app are you looking at? |
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| 00:36.51 | olivier | missmbob : oh, this is a french app. His name is molotov. It's for watching and recording tv |
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| 00:38.16 | olivier | missmbob : When I enter the command, the app don't want to open |
| 00:38.37 | missmbob | olivier: pastebin what happens when you do chmod +x foo.appimage and then try to run it |
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| 00:39.39 | olivier | foo = the name of the app ? |
| 00:39.52 | missmbob | yes |
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| 00:40.08 | olivier | okay |
| 00:40.47 | olivier | I have this : root@debian:/home/olivier/Téléchargements# chmod +x Molotov-0.9.5.AppImage |
| 00:40.47 | olivier | root@debian:/home/olivier/Téléchargements# |
| 00:40.58 | missmbob | you've already messed up |
| 00:41.03 | missmbob | no reason to do this as root |
| 00:41.07 | missmbob | do it as olivier |
| 00:41.35 | olivier | Sorry but the terminal was in root before |
| 00:41.49 | missmbob | probably why it didnt work. $DISPLAY needed to be set if root |
| 00:41.58 | missmbob | so start a fresh terminal |
| 00:42.30 | olivier | yes |
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| 00:43.05 | olivier | I started a fresh terminal |
| 00:43.48 | olivier | missmbob : okay and after ? |
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| 00:44.18 | missmbob | ./foo.appimage and pastebin command with results |
| 00:44.30 | missmbob | actually pastebin it. not in here |
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| 00:44.49 | olivier | okay and I set the terminal with cd/name of the folder/folder/folder ? |
| 00:45.01 | missmbob | sure |
| 00:45.07 | olivier | okay ! |
| 00:45.40 | missmbob | phone call. bbiaf (but others will probably step in) |
| 00:47.29 | olivier | okay |
| 00:48.37 | olivier | missmbob : I have a problem |
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| 01:00.30 | KB3VGW- | well my script is fixed and working |
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| 01:00.43 | KB3VGW- | so we are up and going better |
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| 01:14.35 | fguide | is there any best practice I could follow to stop having my ram cached so much? or perhaps some scheduled thing I might create to have it free'd hourly? |
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| 01:16.19 | at0m | fguide: linuxatemyram.com |
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| 01:16.43 | fguide | at0m: will have a look, thank you |
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| 01:19.06 | Mead | Trying to do an internet install, and to get my wifi adapter to work, the install programs says I'm missing a firmware file, rt2870.bin. Can anyone help me find it? |
| 01:19.12 | grantwu | How advisable is it to have /home on NTFS? |
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| 01:19.36 | grantwu | For easy access from Windows |
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| 01:20.57 | awal1 | Mead, probably you need "firmware-ralink" |
| 01:22.18 | awal1 | probably not, but sure ^ |
| 01:22.18 | Mead | I found that file, I put it on a usb stick and plugged it into a usb port on the system I am installing debian on, it doesn't find it |
| 01:23.47 | awal1 | Mead, easiest way is: use netinstal cd image, the one that includes non-free stuff |
| 01:24.15 | missmbob | !firmware iso |
| 01:24.16 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 01:24.18 | missmbob | use that |
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| 01:24.31 | awal1 | netinst ^:P |
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| 01:24.41 | missmbob | that is netinst :P just with firmware |
| 01:27.03 | Mead | ok I'll try that |
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| 01:34.59 | Elronnd | I am freaking out right now |
| 01:35.06 | Elronnd | I had debian and windows installed as dualboots |
| 01:35.21 | Elronnd | debian froze up, so I hard restarted |
| 01:35.26 | Elronnd | now I can only boot windows |
| 01:35.27 | Hello71 | yawns |
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| 01:36.00 | Elronnd | is there anything I can do? |
| 01:36.00 | DopeMeston | Elronnd: what happens when you try to boot debian? any error messages or does it just go to Windows? |
| 01:36.02 | Hello71 | one, there are punctuation marks other than the enter key on the keyboard. |
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| 01:36.12 | Elronnd | DopeMeston: no I literally can't boot it |
| 01:36.18 | Elronnd | like it doesn't show up in the BIOS boot menu |
| 01:36.23 | Hello71 | two, now that you have all that vertical space, maybe provide some useful details |
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| 01:36.39 | Hello71 | for example, how did you install "dualboots" (whatever that means) |
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| 01:36.46 | DopeMeston | Elronnd: you should try live booting into a linux distro and checking the partations |
| 01:37.09 | Hello71 | furthermore, DON'T SAY BIOS WHEN YOU MEAN UEFI |
| 01:37.09 | Elronnd | Hello71: I installed windows, donwsized the main partition, and installed li nux to that partition |
| 01:37.24 | Hello71 | THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT |
| 01:37.33 | Elronnd | I could then select the windows boot part from grub, or from the bios |
| 01:38.04 | Hello71 | stop saying bios if you aren't using bios |
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| 01:38.08 | Hello71 | bios does not mean boot firmware |
| 01:38.36 | Hello71 | it is a specific implementation of boot firmware, now generalized to mean other API-compatible implementations |
| 01:39.19 | DopeMeston | Elronnd: you can only select the boot order of disks from bios, thats not the same as grub |
| 01:39.39 | Elronnd | sighs |
| 01:39.43 | Elronnd | forget I said anything about grub |
| 01:40.13 | Elronnd | from the boot firmware, or bios, or whatever it's called, I can select windows' boot partition, but now debian's |
| 01:40.27 | Elronnd | *not |
| 01:41.59 | fguide | Elronnd: boot with a live cd and repair grub |
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| 01:42.11 | fguide | that might solve it all |
| 01:42.13 | Elronnd | fguide: how do I repair grub? |
| 01:42.21 | missmbob | !fixmbr |
| 01:42.21 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 01:42.38 | missmbob | but honestly i wasnt paying attention |
| 01:43.13 | Elronnd | alright |
| 01:43.19 | Elronnd | be back in maybe 20 minutes |
| 01:43.29 | fguide | good luck |
| 01:43.59 | Elronnd | thanks |
| 01:44.02 | Elronnd | I'll need it |
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| 01:49.32 | iamawesome | Hi is wxwidget.deb available on debian? |
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| 01:54.30 | Elronnd | hey, it's me with the boot issues |
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| 01:55.38 | Elronnd | I tried the grub reinstall thing suggested by the bot, but I couldn't mount the partition |
| 01:55.41 | Elronnd | it failed with "no such device" |
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| 01:56.54 | at0m | ,v wx-common |
| 01:56.55 | judd | Package: wx-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.12.1-12; jessie: 3.0.2-1+b1; sid: 3.0.2+dfsg-2; stretch: 3.0.2+dfsg-2 |
| 01:57.02 | at0m | iamawesome: ^ |
| 01:57.05 | DopeMeston | Elronnd: so fdisk showed nothing? |
| 01:57.38 | DopeMeston | no sure how an os can just disappear like that |
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| 02:00.19 | Elronnd | DopeMeston: what's fdisk do? |
| 02:01.04 | DopeMeston | Elronnd: it shows you your disk partition table. i thought you where trying to mount the partition on which debian is on |
| 02:01.10 | Elronnd | DopeMeston: I know, it's weird. Maybe I somehow got hit with a virus? |
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| 02:01.23 | Elronnd | alright, I'll see what that says |
| 02:01.47 | DopeMeston | malware is unlikely, how could someone profit from deleting everything |
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| 02:05.59 | Elronnd | apparently fdisk isn't present |
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| 02:06.19 | DopeMeston | what distro did you live boot into? |
| 02:06.25 | Elronnd | (btw I'm connecting from my phone so I can try things in realtime) |
| 02:06.49 | Elronnd | DopeMeston: debian |
| 02:07.03 | fguide | Elronnd: tried sudo fdisk ? |
| 02:07.08 | DopeMeston | fdisk should be there, maybe you do not have the privs |
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| 02:08.01 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: if Debian is installed using UEFI, then to restore grub you must use a Debian installer image (or something else that boots UEFI). Debian Live images do not support UEFI booting, and therefore cannot repair grub-efi |
| 02:08.17 | Elronnd | sudo: not found |
| 02:08.18 | Elronnd | :P |
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| 02:09.08 | Elronnd | you sure? |
| 02:09.08 | Elronnd | because I'm pretty sure I just booted using uefi |
| 02:09.22 | Elronnd | oh, I am using an installer image |
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| 02:10.52 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: installer images have a rescue mode boot option. rescue mode has a menu driven repair grub feature that you could try first |
| 02:11.06 | tx | You know what's sucky? |
| 02:11.20 | tx | Bay Trail chipsets. They are 64-bit (64-bit Atom CPUS) |
| 02:11.23 | tx | but have 32-bit UEFI! |
| 02:12.22 | Elronnd | jmcnaught: good idea. trying that |
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| 02:14.55 | Elronnd | ermmm |
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| 02:15.32 | Elronnd | I forget which partition I set to boot |
| 02:16.07 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: how many partitions are there? Can you work it out by size? |
| 02:16.41 | Elronnd | the rescue thing isn't showing me the sizes |
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| 02:16.58 | tx | fdisk -l |
| 02:17.02 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: you can access another tty with alt+f2 |
| 02:17.11 | Elronnd | there are 6, so I imagine the first few are for Windows. |
| 02:17.28 | jmcnaught | best not to guess |
| 02:17.34 | Elronnd | and the next one for booting debian |
| 02:18.01 | tx | if this is an EFI system there will be a single EFI boot partition |
| 02:18.16 | tx | I don't recall if the rescue image comes with fdisk |
| 02:18.20 | Elronnd | yeah I'm pretty sure it's no 2 |
| 02:18.24 | tx | but you can find the partition type / format with it |
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| 02:18.34 | Elronnd | it says "EFI system" |
| 02:18.38 | tx | ah :) |
| 02:18.40 | tx | yeah that'l be it |
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| 02:18.46 | Elronnd | tx: fdisk is here here |
| 02:19.01 | tx | Are you booted in UEFI/EFI mode? |
| 02:19.08 | tx | You can't reinstall the boot loader without being in it. |
| 02:19.52 | Elronnd | I selected (what I think is) the boot partition |
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| 02:20.23 | Elronnd | but none of the "rescue operations" are "install grub" |
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| 02:22.32 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: is one of the menu options to run a shell? |
| 02:22.42 | Elronnd | yes |
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| 02:22.59 | Elronnd | so I have to perform the rescue manually? |
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| 02:24.26 | jmcnaught | !fixboot |
| 02:24.27 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 02:27.38 | Elronnd | so do I have to create dev, proc, etc. in /target? |
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| 02:28.42 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: the mount points (which are just empty directories) should already exist. You need to bind mount the installer's /dev to the target's /dev |
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| 02:30.37 | Elronnd | / /target doesn't contain those though |
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| 02:31.06 | Elronnd | it only contains EFI and System Volume Information |
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| 02:31.43 | jmcnaught | then you have mounted your ESP partition, not your root partition |
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| 02:32.33 | Elronnd | ESP partition? |
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| 02:33.03 | remanos | the partition you use to read minds |
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| 02:33.31 | jmcnaught | the EFI System Partition. |
| 02:33.34 | Elronnd | ... |
| 02:34.06 | Elronnd | ah |
| 02:34.13 | Elronnd | what do I mount then? |
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| 02:35.20 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: you need to mount your root file system (probably the largest partition with a linux filesystem on it). You'll be mounting that to /target. Then you mount your boot partition (small, linux fs) at /target/boot. Then you bind mount /dev, /proc, /sys. Then you use the chroot command. Then you mount /boot/efi inside the chroot. |
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| 02:37.11 | Elronnd | here we go |
| 02:37.27 | Elronnd | I selected my root partition, and there's an option to reinstall grub |
| 02:38.52 | Elronnd | ...which didn't work |
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| 02:50.25 | Elronnd | I'm getting an error with grub-install, it tells me "Could not prepare Boot variable: no such file or directory." |
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| 02:53.51 | Elronnd | any help? |
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| 02:57.41 | maybefbi | do i need to republish my public key after i create a subkey underneath it |
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| 03:00.59 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: can you outline the steps you took to get to that point? |
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| 04:35.57 | cast | maybefbi: yeah, if you want other people to be able to use the new subkey you do |
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| 04:37.33 | allan_wind | Anyone know if it's possible to boot a Lenovo P50 with netinst? I am having little luck |
| 04:37.58 | Xing | ThinkPad? |
| 04:38.05 | allan_wind | yeah |
| 04:38.37 | Xing | I used netinst on a T440P |
| 04:38.41 | allan_wind | uefi although no luck with legacy mode either |
| 04:38.53 | allan_wind | yeah, I have a W520 that worked too |
| 04:39.03 | Elronnd | I ended up having to reinstall my OS, but I used a live cd to back a couple of files to a usb stick |
| 04:39.08 | Elronnd | now I can't mount the usb stick |
| 04:39.19 | Elronnd | and fsck says nothing |
| 04:39.22 | Xing | They must changed something |
| 04:39.52 | allan_wind | I tried both stable and testing, anything more bleeding edge I should try? I am not sure how to navigate the unstable dir tree |
| 04:40.26 | Xing | What does the bios say? |
| 04:40.51 | Xing | Is there an legacy option? |
| 04:40.52 | allan_wind | find both my disk and usb drive, just won't boot from it, disabled secure boot |
| 04:41.02 | allan_wind | tried legacy, no dice |
| 04:41.17 | allan_wind | are there usb sticks that won't boot? |
| 04:41.43 | Xing | Try another port? |
| 04:41.45 | Elronnd | allan_wind: have you tried another usb port on your computer? |
| 04:41.50 | allan_wind | yeah |
| 04:42.05 | Elronnd | what software did you use to write the iso? |
| 04:42.08 | Xing | sometimes the use3.0 ports cannot boot |
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| 04:42.10 | allan_wind | cp and dd |
| 04:42.17 | Elronnd | allan_wind: what |
| 04:42.25 | Elronnd | how does cp let you write something to a disc? |
| 04:42.34 | allan_wind | cp *.so /dev/sdb |
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| 04:42.39 | Xing | dd is ok |
| 04:42.40 | allan_wind | per install instructions |
| 04:42.41 | Elronnd | yeah... |
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| 04:42.44 | Elronnd | that doesn't work, ime |
| 04:42.49 | Elronnd | dd should work fine though |
| 04:42.56 | Elronnd | *have* you tried another usb disc? |
| 04:43.02 | allan_wind | let me try all the usb ports |
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| 04:43.31 | allan_wind | I have tried two diff usb thumbdrives, will try sata to usb |
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| 04:44.29 | Xing | have you tried to make a new bootable usb? |
| 04:44.39 | Xing | disk? |
| 04:44.41 | maybefbi | cast, ok |
| 04:45.13 | allan_wind | tried stable and testing, downloading ubuntu but prefer sticking with the original :-) |
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| 04:47.51 | Xing | I mean whether you use write iso to usd stick agian? |
| 04:48.10 | Xing | Or find a windows machine and use rufus? |
| 04:48.15 | allan_wind | yeah, 3 diff isos now |
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| 04:48.27 | allan_wind | two diff devices |
| 04:48.28 | Elronnd | allan_wind: so your command line looked like dd if=somedebianfile.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 04:48.31 | Elronnd | right? |
| 04:48.34 | allan_wind | yep |
| 04:48.48 | Elronnd | sounds like a problem with your system |
| 04:48.55 | pingfloyd | allan_wind: cp *.so /dev/sdb doesn't sound right |
| 04:49.04 | pingfloyd | allan_wind: the source arg should be the iso |
| 04:49.06 | allan_wind | that is what in the install doc |
| 04:49.14 | Elronnd | can you try a wipefs -af of the usb stick (make sure you don't do it to your regular hard disc!) |
| 04:49.16 | pingfloyd | the iso image itself |
| 04:49.17 | allan_wind | oh... typo then, it was *.iso |
| 04:49.44 | Xing | what |
| 04:49.48 | pingfloyd | you sure it only tried to copy one iso file (you use a glob there). |
| 04:49.53 | pingfloyd | *used |
| 04:49.55 | allan_wind | yeah |
| 04:50.04 | allan_wind | too lazy to type the full filename |
| 04:50.20 | jelly | Elronnd: that shouldn't matter if the image overwrites the beginning of the whole device |
| 04:50.41 | Elronnd | jelly: sure, but it might be a good idea to do that just to make sure |
| 04:50.41 | allan_wind | Good point though |
| 04:51.01 | pingfloyd | allan_wind: have you used the target usb stick for bootable live images in the past? |
| 04:51.21 | Elronnd | pingfloyd: would it be possible for you to use another computer to test? |
| 04:51.35 | Elronnd | e.g. write the image with the other computer, but boot on this one, or vice versa |
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| 04:51.46 | allan_wind | pingfloyd: not sure |
| 04:51.50 | pingfloyd | allan_wind: sometimes you need to remove all the filesystems, partitions, and partition table on them, then create a new partitions table and a single partition spanning the entire device to get them back to a sane state. |
| 04:52.07 | allan_wind | pingfloyd: dd should do that, no? |
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| 04:52.13 | pingfloyd | allan_wind: in theory, but it doesn't |
| 04:52.17 | Elronnd | it should |
| 04:52.32 | Elronnd | but one time I ended up with a usb disc that was in a really weird state |
| 04:52.37 | Elronnd | after I burned a weird iso to it |
| 04:52.40 | Elronnd | wipefs fixed it |
| 04:52.47 | Elronnd | dd with a new iso didn't |
| 04:53.01 | allan_wind | hmm... booted my ubuntu iso |
| 04:54.10 | pingfloyd | allan_wind: try what linux hippie details here https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/usb-stick-issues-after-loading-ubuntu-mate/1643 |
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| 04:55.01 | pingfloyd | it doesn't make any sense, but it has worked for plenty of usb sticks that I've reused for live usbs |
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| 04:55.19 | pingfloyd | even overwriting with zero through dd wouldn't do the trick |
| 04:56.15 | jelly | Elronnd: I guess some of the partition table formats have metadata at the end of the device, not just the beginning |
| 04:56.32 | jelly | (gpt?) |
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| 04:56.50 | pingfloyd | yeah, it might be when it had a gpt partition table on it |
| 04:56.59 | allan_wind | I dd'ed the ubuntu iso and it booted, wipefs my other stick and trying the stable iso again. So... what's the latest debian installer? |
| 04:57.23 | pingfloyd | allan_wind: whether you use dd or cp to get the image to the usb stick doesn't matter |
| 04:57.43 | pingfloyd | allan_wind: you could even cat image.iso > /dev/sdX and it would be the same |
| 04:58.15 | allan_wind | pingfloyd: yeah, must be hardware support in the iso. There is zero debug info when trying to boot off my debian iso unfortunately |
| 04:58.40 | pingfloyd | allan_wind: also always be sure to check the integrity of the image you downloaded first |
| 04:59.40 | allan_wind | just tried again with the debian iso, and doesn't boot |
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| 04:59.51 | allan_wind | so.. thinking I should try unstable, no? |
| 04:59.56 | pingfloyd | no |
| 05:00.10 | pingfloyd | you should always use the stable installer with debian regardless of which branch you're going to run |
| 05:00.29 | allan_wind | pingfloyd: doesn't work though |
| 05:00.37 | pingfloyd | if you were say wanting to run testing, you'd still use the stable installer |
| 05:01.16 | allan_wind | pingfloyd: I run stable on the machine I upgrade from with a few backport items, and of course security updates |
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| 05:03.40 | allan_wind | so anyone have any ideas on how I get a later debian installer than stable and testing? |
| 05:04.09 | pingfloyd | allan_wind: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ |
| 05:05.46 | allan_wind | pingfloyd: ugh, no unstable |
| 05:06.41 | maybefbi | cast, i imported my secret-subkey into an empty gpg, and it still lists all the other subkeys and the primary keys |
| 05:08.11 | allan_wind | is the hd-media ( boot-amd64-0315.img.gz) an installer? |
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| 05:12.29 | cast | maybefbi: consider the possibilities, you either imported all the other subkeys and primary keys, or you're not listing the now not so 'empty gpg' keyring you thought you were |
| 05:14.03 | maybefbi | cast, both gpg --list-keys adn gpg --list-secret-keys was empty |
| 05:14.29 | maybefbi | i had gpg --delete-secret-and-public-keys email@emai.com |
| 05:14.51 | maybefbi | and then i gpg --import private-subkey.key |
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| 05:15.28 | maybefbi | and then when --list-secret-keys again, |
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| 05:15.49 | maybefbi | it shows all key IDs. not just the subkey ID |
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| 05:16.31 | maybefbi | i generated private-subkey.key using gpg --export-secret-subkeys --armor edwinhere@gmail.com > private-subkey.key |
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| 05:18.39 | cast | question: is the primary key actually usable? |
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| 05:19.08 | maybefbi | yeah the primary key is usable after creation of the subkeys |
| 05:19.39 | maybefbi | subkeys are usable too |
| 05:19.54 | cast | i was more refering to the comment in the manpage for --exoirt-secret-subkeys |
| 05:20.20 | maybefbi | what does it say? |
| 05:20.31 | maybefbi | they export all secret keys? |
| 05:20.35 | maybefbi | including primary |
| 05:20.46 | maybefbi | ? |
| 05:21.32 | cast | i'm going to go to work now, as to what the man page for gpg says, i believe you can answer that yourself :). while we're on the topic, there is a gnupg channel on freenode too |
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| 05:24.07 | allan_wind | k, got something interesting... ubuntu iso has an apple and efi partition, while the debian installer is a single fat16 fs |
| 05:24.12 | f-a | I am configuring to toggle layouts. This works: setxkbmap -layout "us,ru" -variant "alt-intl," -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle" |
| 05:24.34 | f-a | but setxkbmap -layout "us,ru" -variant "alt-intl," -option "grp:ctrls_toggle" does not (i.e. ctrls instread of alt_shift) |
| 05:24.41 | allan_wind | isn't the installer uefi compatible |
| 05:24.44 | allan_wind | ? |
| 05:24.48 | f-a | it's not mission critical, but how can I diagnose why it does not work? |
| 05:25.45 | allan_wind | f-a: you can use xmodmap to remap keys. There is a readme, if you haven't seen it in /usr/share/X11/xkb or something like that that with the valid options |
| 05:28.12 | f-a | allan_wind: thanks. also https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15843 |
| 05:30.07 | jmcnaught | allan_wind: Debian installer images support UEFI. what is the filename of the image you're using? |
| 05:30.41 | allan_wind | debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso debian-stretch-DI-alpha7-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 05:31.21 | allan_wind | the iso, however, is not uefi which I think is what this box needs to boot |
| 05:32.11 | jmcnaught | those ISO images both support UEFI. You're not getting any error message at all? |
| 05:32.40 | allan_wind | no, it just fails to boot, and goes back to bios select device to boot |
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| 05:33.37 | jmcnaught | allan_wind: does it work on different computer? |
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| 05:34.03 | allan_wind | ah... ha |
| 05:34.19 | allan_wind | I grabbed the debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso and that boots |
| 05:34.48 | allan_wind | oh... never mind, still the ubuntu iso |
| 05:34.56 | jmcnaught | allan_wind: do you happen to know if this computer uses NVMe? |
| 05:35.15 | allan_wind | it has but using plain old usb stick and a sata ssd |
| 05:35.31 | allan_wind | has support for it, none installed |
| 05:36.40 | jmcnaught | okay because from what i understand jessie requires additional steps during th installer to add a kernel from backports on some nvme systems |
| 05:37.38 | allan_wind | have a ptr to those steps by any chance? |
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| 05:40.24 | jmcnaught | allan_wind: did you disable secure boot? |
| 05:40.45 | allan_wind | yeah, 100 times or so, it seems to reset to last known config when it fails to boot |
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| 05:41.58 | Elronnd | I'm trying to install virtualbox, but it fails to handle the kernel module correctly |
| 05:42.02 | Elronnd | http://lpaste.net/242355 |
| 05:42.20 | Elronnd | I *Do* have linux-headers-amd64 installed |
| 05:42.36 | jmcnaught | allan_wind: if ubuntu boots but debian doesn't, i suspect secure boot. why is it reverting to secure boot being enabled? |
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| 05:43.00 | allan_wind | jmcnaught: bios trying to helpful, I think |
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| 05:44.17 | jmcnaught | allan_wind: i've only seen people get guided through the process here on IRC, but it's not very difficult. There's a blog entry about it: http://www.poweredbyjeff.com/2015/10/29/Intel-750-SSD-in-Debian-Jessie/ |
| 05:44.59 | allan_wind | cool thx |
| 05:45.09 | jmcnaught | allan_wind: once you get Debian installed you should consider making a page for your model on https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn |
| 05:46.15 | allan_wind | yeah |
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| 05:47.05 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: come versions of these to packages with the command "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" |
| 05:47.10 | allan_wind | hmm... ok, something weird, I have this 32gb usb stick, and after I dd'ed the debian iso to it, I don't seem to be able to overwrite it again |
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| 05:47.53 | allan_wind | dd fails with insufficient diskspace; wipefs -af /dev/sdb seems to clear the partition alright but dd still fails |
| 05:47.58 | Elronnd | jmcnaught: what are the implications on that for me, as a user? |
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| 05:48.01 | jmcnaught | allan_wind: what is the disk label type? |
| 05:48.17 | Elronnd | s/on/of/g |
| 05:48.29 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: run it as a regular user, it's a query info command that doesn't make changes |
| 05:48.35 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: "man apt-cache" |
| 05:49.46 | allan_wind | jmcnaught: after wipfefs none |
| 05:49.59 | allan_wind | says Disk /dev/sdb: 10.5MB |
| 05:50.02 | allan_wind | (parted) |
| 05:50.08 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: sorry i meant to say compare not come. If the versions don't match, your virtualbox-dkms package makes a module for the wrong kernel |
| 05:50.40 | jmcnaught | allan_wind: i don't know what wipfefs is |
| 05:50.52 | Elronnd | jmcnaught: oh, I see |
| 05:51.02 | allan_wind | [13754.649755] sd 21:0:0:0: [sdb] 62562239 512-byte logical blocks: (32.0 GB/29.8 GiB) |
| 05:51.06 | Elronnd | yeah, the installed and candidate version for linux-image-amd64 didn't match |
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| 05:51.17 | Elronnd | so I'm doing a dist-upgrade now |
| 05:51.19 | allan_wind | jmcnaught: someone suggested I use that, I guess, to wipe the partition table |
| 05:51.26 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: no, compare the installed versions of the two packages |
| 05:52.02 | Elronnd | yeah, the headers were 4.7 |
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| 05:52.35 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: and the image? |
| 05:52.47 | Elronnd | the image was installed 4.6, candidate 4.7 |
| 05:52.53 | Elronnd | idate 4.7 |
| 05:53.01 | Elronnd | as I said I'm running a dist-upgrade |
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| 05:54.33 | jmcnaught | Elronnd: on stable most of the time you just do upgrade instead of dist-upgrade |
| 05:54.54 | Elronnd | I'm on stretch |
| 05:55.12 | jmcnaught | oh |
| 05:55.29 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Elronnd about debian-next |
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| 05:55.54 | Elronnd | !debian-next |
| 05:55.54 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:55.59 | Elronnd | ^^^ |
| 05:56.09 | Elronnd | oh, it sends a pm |
| 05:56.19 | jmcnaught | yeah |
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| 06:02.26 | doublehp | after exim restart, how much time before all process use the new config ? seems like when restart command returns, there are still process running using the old conf. |
| 06:03.27 | jmcnaught | doublehp: how are you restarting exim? |
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| 06:04.03 | doublehp | jmcnaught: /etc/init.d/exim4 restart |
| 06:04.45 | jmcnaught | doublehp: you should be using systemctl or service instead of calling the init script directly |
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| 06:05.08 | doublehp | jmcnaught: let's try it |
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| 06:05.45 | jmcnaught | at least on systemd, where it might be using units instead of the initscript, and where systemd will make sure processes belonging to that service are restarted |
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| 06:07.26 | SwedeMike | jmcnaught: last I did one of those restarts using the old init scripts, they had been migrated to use systemctl so it ended up being the same thing. |
| 06:07.31 | doublehp | jmcnaught: systemd was unable to stop old process, maybe because they belong to an old cession; rebooting. |
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| 06:09.09 | jmcnaught | SwedeMike: on jessie service calls systemctl, but i would be surprised to see a script in /etc/init.d calling systemctl |
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| 06:11.02 | Exileur | Hi guys |
| 06:11.32 | doublehp | what is the debian way to set <<hosts_require_tls = * >> ? <<REMOTE_SMTP_SMARTHOST_HOSTS_REQUIRE_TLS='*'>> does not do it. |
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| 06:14.01 | jmcnaught | doublehp: I use Postfix, but the Debian way of configuring exim4 is covered in /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/README.Debian.gz |
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| 06:15.15 | SwedeMike | jmcnaught: # /etc/init.d/ntp restart "Restarting ntp (via systemctl): ntp.service." |
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| 06:15.32 | doublehp | jmcnaught: that file does not contain the word hosts_require_tls (tried mins and caps). |
| 06:15.52 | SwedeMike | jmcnaught: so the init files have been migrated on jessie to use systemd |
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| 06:18.50 | jmcnaught | SwedeMike: cool. i wonder how that works |
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| 06:22.13 | jmcnaught | SwedeMike: it's /lib/lsb/init-functions.d/40-systemd that gets included into init scripts, the scripts themselves don't mention systemctl |
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| 06:38.31 | Logg | Anyone have a preferred audio editing software recommendation? |
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| 06:38.41 | Logg | better than audacity? |
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| 06:47.14 | shortCircuit__ | hi |
| 06:47.42 | Logg | allan_wind: I'll try it thanks. |
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| 06:49.48 | shortCircuit__ | I have a question .. I had an user .. so inside /home/user1 there was something like 1 user1 users 1218 Aug 15 23:48 .vimrc then there were user1 user1.. I mean two groups users and user1 .. now I make a new user with adduser .. and then I added the user2 to groups users and user1 .. so now from inside the home directory to /user2 if I do cat /home/user1/.vimrc . it shows permission denied |
| 06:49.49 | shortCircuit__ | why |
| 06:50.22 | Choups | if i add "127.0.0.1 google.com" to the /etc/hosts, basicly i'm blacklisting google, right? |
| 06:51.01 | shortCircuit__ | o.O u are phirming |
| 06:51.14 | shortCircuit__ | but yeah restricting access |
| 06:51.25 | Choups | ok cool |
| 06:51.34 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: uncomprehensible. Pastebin your /etc/groups file, and "ls -l" for files that behave badly |
| 06:51.44 | shortCircuit__ | ok |
| 06:52.05 | doublehp | Choups: yes, it could fix a lot of issues |
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| 06:53.08 | Choups | can a ubuntu 16.04 vps server use tor? |
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| 06:53.53 | jmcnaught | shortCircuit__: did user2 logout and login after being added to the group? Is the parent directory (~user1) accessible to user2? |
| 06:54.01 | jmcnaught | Choups: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 06:54.37 | doublehp | Choups: but if you have a local web server, you may better use an other invalid address; one not used by any service |
| 06:55.23 | jelly | shortCircuit__: it depends. The other user needs to have effective execute (x) permissions on all directories in the path so /, /home, /home/user1, and then they also need effective read permissions on the file. |
| 06:55.51 | doublehp | Choups: otherwise your local server may produce a lot of 404 in logs. But, the address should be reachable ; otherwise, your google requests may take 5mn to expire; 127.0.0.1 is a good practice because the IP is valid, but port 80 closed for 98% workstations. |
| 06:56.39 | shortCircuit__ | jmncaught ... ow no didn't do that |
| 06:57.20 | jelly | Choups: also try #ubuntu-server if their main channel is not useful |
| 06:57.30 | shortCircuit__ | I will relogin and come back |
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| 07:01.54 | Choups | doublehp, so imagine i want to block my machine from connecting to google.com |
| 07:02.07 | Choups | how do you sugest me to do it? |
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| 07:04.17 | shortCircuit__ | I restarted the whole system .. still same .. I think .rc file doesn't have group read access ? http://pastebin.com/DtZaeaXf |
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| 07:08.13 | allan_wind | I tried everything I can think of and I cannot get netinst running on this p50. If I boot up via the ubuntu iso is there a way to kick off the installer that way? |
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| 07:10.25 | doublehp | Choups: your method will work; but if you run a local web server, you will have side effects |
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| 07:11.27 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: as said by someone else, ag-gojek needs execution access to all parent folders up to the file; details depend |
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| 07:12.21 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: if it's owner of folders, owner x; if it's in the same group, group execution; otherwise, you need world execution (not good, but should still be safe) |
| 07:12.40 | shortCircuit__ | so I should set the x bit on files and folder that I only need manually |
| 07:12.41 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: so, paste us this: ls -la /home |
| 07:12.44 | shortCircuit__ | ok |
| 07:12.59 | doublehp | will give us at the same time a verification on your home (. line) and crotona |
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| 07:13.47 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: read directory is for listing content; execution, to enter it; write to create file (not modify existing ones; only create or delete files) |
| 07:14.11 | shortCircuit__ | :P I get that |
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| 07:15.01 | shortCircuit__ | http://pastebin.com/sDu0eYqi |
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| 07:15.29 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: read file is for openning content; write, to alter content; execution to run it as a program; in many case, if you have read access, but not X, you can copy the file, and run it as your own user; in some case, this is not good; there are special permissions where you can run a file, YOURSELF, and the process will be owned by owner of file; this is the case for su/sudo apps ... to give root rights to normal users. |
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| 07:16.48 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: as expected, crotnota lacks X; now ... you want it for ag-gojek ... who does not belong to group ownling the folder (crotona), so ... |
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| 07:17.46 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: either add ag-gojek to group crotona and add X to group access, or, change the group owning crotona folder (better solution) and also set X for group, or, add X for world (unsually unsafe) |
| 07:18.07 | shortCircuit__ | I want only to read the .zshrc file .. with cat .. so I thought that if both the users were having same groups then I can read the file .. but I am wrong I guess |
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| 07:18.53 | shortCircuit__ | I did add ag-gojek to crotona .. like this sudo usermod -aG sudo,crotona,users,ag-gojek ag-gojek |
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| 07:19.01 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: Linux is problematic and unsecure because only one user, and one group can own a file/folder; Windows NT and Gnu/Hurd can set several owners for each file; this allows finer security management (one of the rare point where Windows is much more flexible than Linux) |
| 07:19.34 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: most of my issues with linux are related to how files are stored on disk. |
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| 07:20.29 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: after adding user to group, user needs to relogin |
| 07:20.37 | shortCircuit__ | I did restart the system |
| 07:20.44 | doublehp | (run a sub bash is usually enough, without even logging out) |
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| 07:21.04 | shortCircuit__ | what is a sub bash |
| 07:21.18 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: re run /bin/bash (or just "bash") |
| 07:21.27 | shortCircuit__ | oh |
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| 07:21.51 | doublehp | it may avoid to have to logout and retype password (saving seconds). Check it with "id" |
| 07:22.04 | shortCircuit__ | :( same permission denied |
| 07:22.19 | doublehp | so, if user is in cronota group, you need to add X to group perms |
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| 07:22.28 | shortCircuit__ | owk |
| 07:22.33 | doublehp | run "id" as ag-gojekag-gojek |
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| 07:23.11 | doublehp | and in ls -l /home , you need an X in 7th position on cronota line |
| 07:23.57 | shortCircuit__ | ok u mean why chmod ing ? |
| 07:24.30 | doublehp | chmod g+x /home/cronota |
| 07:24.47 | doublehp | or whatever |
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| 07:25.31 | shortCircuit__ | ok |
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| 07:26.25 | doublehp | using sudo to gain crotona rights from ag-gojek to read the file could work; but much more complex, and overkill for this purpose. And depending on what you want to do with the file, it may be very complicated |
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| 07:26.45 | shortCircuit__ | jus wanna read :P |
| 07:26.52 | doublehp | if the file has the proper permissions, you can simply source it, and immediately use the variables. simple, fast, efficient. |
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| 07:27.09 | shortCircuit__ | hm ok |
| 07:27.23 | doublehp | but, yes, sudo cat could work ... |
| 07:27.35 | shortCircuit__ | yep that works .. thanks man |
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| 07:28.02 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: but, considering your level, it was better appropriate to explain you details of user management in UNIX |
| 07:28.29 | doublehp | and the limits of Linux |
| 07:29.30 | shortCircuit__ | yep .. that was useful .. I have a question like if I did chmod g+r /home/cronota it would still have worked only for reading! and how is this one different from chgrp |
| 07:29.56 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: all Windows Pro versions using NTFS (familly and home versions use a light version of NTFS without that feature) will allow to have several owners per file; this is very powerfull (but you still need execution right on parent folder) |
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| 07:30.40 | shortCircuit__ | oh ok |
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| 07:31.02 | doublehp | there is a way to avoid giving x on parent folder: make a hardlink for the file. The same content can be shared by two file names, in two different folders. But, this has other issues. |
| 07:31.46 | doublehp | once ag-gojek is owning a hardlink of the file, he may be able to alter content; crotona may not trus aggojek enough for this |
| 07:31.55 | shortCircuit__ | yeah |
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| 07:32.11 | shortCircuit__ | that is what I had in mind .. not modifying the file .. |
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| 07:32.52 | doublehp | but if the trust each other, they can share files this way. Then, they both own a file in their respective home folders, without access to folder of the other one, and can both alter the same content. This has many other issues |
| 07:33.27 | doublehp | (if both change content at the same time, older change is lost, and overwritten by new one, without notice; it's very complex to prevent this collision) |
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| 07:33.54 | shortCircuit__ | yeah then there has to something like a mutex to prevent that |
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| 07:34.05 | doublehp | and I could provide a few other mid-way cases :) |
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| 07:34.58 | doublehp | a hardlink of the file could be put in home folder for aggojek, but, still owned by crotona; then, crotona can allow aggojek to read it, staying owner, without X access for it's home |
| 07:35.47 | shortCircuit__ | I will be a little dumb .. why did the execution right make the difference ? I mean executing is like source some_file or like running a program .. so when I did the cat .. cat was executing cat on the .zshrc file and that is why th eexecution right was required ? |
| 07:36.11 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: you missed a line from me 20mn ago |
| 07:36.40 | shortCircuit__ | the chmod g+x thing ? |
| 07:36.40 | doublehp | shortCircuit__: x for a dir, allows to enter it; R to list files; W to create new (empty) files, and remove files |
| 07:36.47 | shortCircuit__ | oh I see |
| 07:36.50 | shortCircuit__ | :) |
| 07:36.56 | shortCircuit__ | now it makes sense |
| 07:37.07 | shortCircuit__ | ok brb lunch |
| 07:37.10 | doublehp | bye |
| 07:37.34 | doublehp | cat is not executing .zshrc |
| 07:37.37 | doublehp | it's reading it |
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| 08:12.24 | shortCircuit__ | can I ssh from my android mobile into my debian and watch a movie I downloaded with vlc on android .. I have downloaded an app called termux on phoen |
| 08:12.26 | shortCircuit__ | :P |
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| 08:13.01 | ranix | the short answer is no and the long answer is yes |
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| 08:17.14 | wnk | hi, anyone here could tell me if i did smth wrong with these tc commands? |
| 08:17.17 | wnk | tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1:0 htb |
| 08:17.17 | wnk | tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:0 classid 1:1 htb rate 1mbit |
| 08:17.17 | wnk | tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:0 classid 1:2 htb rate 1mbit |
| 08:17.17 | wnk | tc filter add dev eth0 protocol ip parent 1:0 prio 1 u32 match ip dst 192.168.1.14 flowid 1:1 |
| 08:17.17 | wnk | tc filter add dev eth0 protocol ip parent 1:0 prio 1 u32 match ip src 192.168.1.14 flowid 1:2 |
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| 08:19.13 | KellyCramer | Hellstorm - Exposing The Real Genocide of Nazi Germany (Full) "Germany's most unforgivable crime before the Second World War, was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system (ie: World-Bankers), and to create her own exchange mechanism (ie: "Honest", non-interest bearing money) which would deny "world finance" of its opportunity to profit".!! |
| 08:19.19 | wnk | sorry kicked cos of pasting too many lines, going to repeat my question with a pastebin |
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| 08:19.41 | wnk | anyone here could tell me if i did smth wrong with these tc commands? |
| 08:19.51 | wnk | http://paste.debian.net/857455/ |
| 08:20.37 | shortCircuit__ | ranix .. ok what is the long answer |
| 08:20.47 | ranix | yes |
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| 08:20.59 | shortCircuit__ | :D I mean how |
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| 08:21.26 | ranix | you want to scp the file on your phone to your linux computer? |
| 08:21.38 | shortCircuit__ | opposite |
| 08:21.48 | ranix | there's plenty of ways to do that then |
| 08:21.56 | ranix | you can put it somewhere on the internet and download it on the phone |
| 08:21.58 | ranix | or serve it locally |
| 08:22.03 | ranix | or upload it to the phone with adb |
| 08:22.10 | ranix | over a usb cable |
| 08:22.16 | shortCircuit__ | yeah .. I can run a python server |
| 08:22.20 | shortCircuit__ | in the folder |
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| 08:22.27 | ranix | you could even download an ftp server for your phone |
| 08:22.29 | ranix | I've done that before |
| 08:22.31 | shortCircuit__ | yep |
| 08:22.37 | wnk | u dont need weird things |
| 08:22.46 | wnk | i do transfers between pc and android |
| 08:22.50 | wnk | using airdroid |
| 08:22.55 | wnk | via wifi |
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| 08:23.16 | wnk | download that app from market |
| 08:23.19 | fingus | i am using jessie, and trying to restart mysql which works fine, but the log has a Access denied for user root@localhost using password no. is that some maintenance job trying to run? |
| 08:23.20 | shortCircuit__ | yeah .. I can do those . I just want to avoid two copies of the file |
| 08:23.36 | ranix | that's a little more involved then |
| 08:23.47 | ranix | you could stream it from a service to the phone |
| 08:24.13 | shortCircuit__ | hm, that sounds nice .. looking into that |
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| 08:26.45 | wnk | anyone here applied traffic limit rules? |
| 08:26.56 | doublehp | wnk: y |
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| 08:27.32 | wnk | could u check 5 lines im trying to apply on a virtual machine? ive prepared a pastebin |
| 08:27.35 | wnk | http://paste.debian.net/857455/ |
| 08:27.58 | doublehp | no :) I am not good in that :) I have 3 lines that work for me, that's all |
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| 08:28.08 | wnk | could u share them? |
| 08:28.10 | wnk | xd |
| 08:28.40 | wnk | i have a root qdisc |
| 08:28.45 | wnk | 2 classes |
| 08:28.53 | wnk | 1 for download speed |
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| 08:28.57 | wnk | 1 for upload |
| 08:29.00 | wnk | and 2 filters |
| 08:29.05 | wnk | applying those rules |
| 08:29.09 | wnk | to the same ip |
| 08:29.29 | wnk | but it doesnt limit the download, idk what im doing wrong |
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| 08:30.01 | doublehp | wnk: http://pastebin.com/2hEZWm2Y expires in one month |
| 08:30.47 | doublehp | wnk: I wanted to limite download and/or (i forgot) upload for eth1 (machine is a bridge between two subnets) |
| 08:31.16 | wnk | thanks going to study that script :p |
| 08:31.22 | wnk | yes i want to do smth similar |
| 08:31.26 | wnk | on a dedicated server |
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| 08:31.46 | wnk | apply some bandwidth for each vm |
| 08:32.02 | girlinvogue | Fucking terrifying. Have you seen that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkQ6J5F01Do Hellstorm - Exposing The Real Genocide of Nazi Germany (Full) |
| 08:32.09 | doublehp | i have 750kB xDSL; wanted to have a full access lan, and a limited access lan; people behing this bidge are limited to 500k |
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| 08:33.47 | wnk | ah u used it for home?.. in that case u could use also a router with a custom firmware |
| 08:34.14 | wnk | i had a linksys wrt54gl with a firmware based on tomato called "tomato raf" |
| 08:34.32 | wnk | it has a section where u just have to inseert numbers |
| 08:34.32 | wnk | xd |
| 08:34.38 | wnk | but it uses tc behind |
| 08:34.46 | sevenstorey | OMG we are taught such lies in schools in UK and USA |
| 08:35.11 | doublehp | wnk: I will buy a pro level switch on ebay, soon, that can handle this at low level ... |
| 08:35.40 | doublehp | sevenstorey: yes ... |
| 08:35.46 | wnk | :p |
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| 08:36.19 | sevenstorey | doublehp, if you think of it what's sicker than lying to children who don't know any better and who have to regurgitate what you tell them just to pass their classes? |
| 08:37.24 | doublehp | sevenstorey: knowing that the teacher teaching a lie, himself, is not aware he is teaching a lie, because he learnt that from the government, and was never curious enough to proof check it. |
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| 08:38.49 | doublehp | learnt in class i could not take the square root of -1; took my HP48GX, "-1" , "sqrt" ... got a result that was not an error. "Sir, my calculator says you are wrong" ... |
| 08:38.54 | cast | this isn't the place for such conversations, girlinvogue was a spammer. |
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| 09:12.14 | Mead | alright I am stumped on this, going through an install got to the "install the base system" and I have two options linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 or linux-image-amd64. What is the difference between the two? |
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| 09:15.38 | conformist | linux-image-amd64 is a link to default kernel 3.16.0-4 |
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| 09:16.22 | Mead | so it doesn't matter which one I choose? |
| 09:18.02 | conformist | yes |
| 09:18.32 | babilen | Mead: It matters when you upgrade to the next release. If you have linux-image-amd64 your kernel will be upgraded automatically, while it won't if you pick linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 09:19.11 | Mead | dang it, I just picked the one with the kernal number in it |
| 09:19.22 | ranix | it's like a clever trap, set by a crafty and cunning villain |
| 09:19.56 | ranix | the daemons probably did it when you weren't looking |
| 09:20.48 | Mead | no I did it, I didn't think about how it could effect upgrading |
| 09:21.59 | Mead | oh well, I'll burn that bridge when i get to it |
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| 09:28.35 | babilen | Mead: You can just "apt-get install linux-image-amd64" after the initial install |
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| 09:36.20 | huwjr | hia can someone please help me with some basic raiding help? iâm being utterly thick so please excuse my utter ignorance. |
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| 09:39.18 | keenor | hello dear friends. what would be the most effective way of backing up my servers /home/* and /etc/ directorys to my local machine. would it best be with scp and do I have to gz the folders first |
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| 09:39.54 | Mead | huwjr, there are probably thousands of websites with the basic info about raid listed on them |
| 09:39.55 | huwjr | scp is dreadful use rsync |
| 09:40.15 | keenor | ok i shall man that |
| 09:40.18 | huwjr | yeah, iâve read through a few, tried out configs, i jsut donât understand âwhyâ iâm doing certain thinks |
| 09:40.42 | huwjr | things* |
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| 09:41.28 | huwjr | for example; almost every guide setting up a simple RAID1 will create a small partition less thna a gb⦠but they donât explain why theyâre doing that, or what itâs used for. |
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| 09:43.32 | Mead | it is probably just house keeping info for the drive that can be read if the raid isn't working |
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| 09:44.02 | huwjr | so theyâre just reserving some space as best practice? |
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| 09:44.23 | epsilon | size has nothing to do you raid |
| 09:44.46 | huwjr | whatâs to stop me not creating that additional MD but leaving a some spare disk space for use later if required? anything? |
| 09:44.51 | Mead | they are reserving it to keep data relating to the raid that can be read prior to the raid being initialized |
| 09:44.57 | epsilon | you partition one disc as you need, and 2nd/3rd in same way, then RAID1 them partiton by partition |
| 09:45.12 | huwjr | i understand that :) |
| 09:46.00 | huwjr | cheers Mead - where is that setup? is it strictly necessary? |
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| 09:46.27 | huwjr | iâve read a bunch of cook books, and they all create them, but they donât use them! |
| 09:46.45 | huwjr | they end up having multiple MDs for the sake of one.. seems crazy |
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| 09:47.24 | Mead | you don't use them, the system uses them. |
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| 09:58.39 | huwjr | yeah but i assume there is some setup necessary? |
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| 10:02.10 | logithack1337 | i'd like to play minecraft on debian. i can start the game using "java -jar Minecraft.jar". i can log in, choose the version desired etc. then i hit "Play" and it starts the game. when i'm in-game, however, and when i click any of the in-game buttons like "Multiplayer" or "Options", nothing happens. i've tried Oracle Java 1.8.101 and OpenJDK with java version 1.7.0_111 and IcedTea 2.6.7. any ideas? |
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| 10:41.06 | boxrick1 | Is anyone familiar with setting up LVM Raid ( Raid 1 ) in pre-seed? |
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| 10:54.22 | CHCl3 | hi!!! |
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| 10:55.48 | CHCl3 | I'm trying to install a wireless network it is a texas acx 111, when I go to http://acx100.erley.org/fw/acx111_2.3.1.31/ |
| 10:56.05 | CHCl3 | there are 3 choices c16, c17 and c19 |
| 10:56.23 | CHCl3 | I can't find wich of the 3 is the mine one |
| 10:57.27 | Mead | aw my internet connection failed while doing a internet install... |
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| 10:58.34 | CHCl3 | Mead do you work by ethernet or wireless |
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| 10:59.09 | Mead | wireless, but it wouldn't matter. Failure from the ISP resetting the DSL connection |
| 11:00.04 | CHCl3 | have u restartes¡d or reseted the isp router? |
| 11:00.37 | Mead | it reconnected, or I wouldn't be talking to you right now |
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| 11:02.11 | Mead | When I lost my IRC connection on this system, the machine I"m installing debian onto lost it's connection too. |
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| 11:03.24 | Mead | yup, gotta start over, "select and install software" step keeps failing everytime I rerun it. |
| 11:03.36 | CHCl3 | right, but if the failure is recursive you should try to restart or reset, if it doesn't works go to the router so see the connection parameters |
| 11:04.06 | Mead | This happens constantly, |
| 11:04.39 | Mead | like once or twice a day, doesn't matter how often I reset or reboot my router |
| 11:04.58 | Mead | half the time when it happens I get a new dynamic IP address |
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| 11:06.11 | Mead | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.07 | CHCl3 | Did you checked the phisical installation of the router? |
| 11:07.18 | Mead | yes, many times in the past |
| 11:07.46 | CHCl3 | so the next step is call your isp tech service |
| 11:07.54 | Mead | and I've done that too |
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| 11:08.14 | Mead | they run a line check and say the problem isn't theirs |
| 11:08.16 | CHCl3 | so the next step is changin your ISP |
| 11:08.19 | CHCl3 | jajajjaja |
| 11:09.22 | Mead | they are rolling out gigabit service in my area, I am holding out till that is available to change my service |
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| 11:10.07 | CHCl3 | good luck man |
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| 11:10.40 | Mead | it's coming, they rolled out a load of fiber already |
| 11:11.20 | Mead | I just hope that they don't do what verizon did and stop rolling out service completely before my neighborhood gets it rolled out |
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| 11:13.04 | Mead | in the neibhorhood across the major road, they started rolling out fiber and found out the gas, water, and electric lines aren't mapped very well when they keep hitting them. |
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| 11:19.46 | Mead | this "overwriting with random data" step took forver the first time |
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| 11:29.33 | random_dude | greetings, gentlemens |
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| 11:31.13 | random_dude | yesterday i had everything fine on my Debian testing amd64 MATE everything default system, until... "Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"" happens when i try to launch Caja file manager |
| 11:32.19 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 11:32.19 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:32.22 | petn-randall | random_dude: ^^^ |
| 11:32.59 | random_dude | not working /join #debian-next |
| 11:33.29 | random_dude | why its not on freenode -_- |
| 11:33.41 | themill | because most debian channels are not |
| 11:35.00 | random_dude | i think Caja cant find library. "ldd /usr/bin/caja" didnt return anything usefull. how to check what path Caja looking for? |
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| 11:37.05 | random_dude | "ldd /usr/bin/caja | grep canberra" return nothing. weird |
| 11:37.18 | conformist | random_dude: libcanberra-gtk3-module |
| 11:37.30 | xyassin | strace caja 2&>1 | grep can |
| 11:37.31 | Mead | hold on, thereis a another irc network with more debian channels? |
| 11:37.54 | missmbob | !oftc move |
| 11:37.55 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
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| 11:38.32 | petn-randall | random_dude: It does help reading the full message. |
| 11:38.45 | Mead | that was like 10 years ago, haha |
| 11:39.01 | missmbob | Mead: yes. and a lot of things only exist there. such as #debian-next |
| 11:39.28 | Mead | I didn't even know there was a debian irc server... |
| 11:39.41 | missmbob | it's a cname pointing to oftc is all |
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| 11:41.05 | Mead | I must explore this network while this install is running |
| 11:41.40 | random_dude | xyassin: sorry, but "strace caja 2&>1 | grep can" and Caja trying to open file "2". adding "strace caja -- 2&>1 | grep can" wont help much |
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| 11:43.22 | Mead | hum, what was the drama that had OFTC startup? The MOTD makes it sound just like freenode |
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| 11:44.59 | babilen | dpkg: oftc move |
| 11:44.59 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 11:45.02 | babilen | Mead: ^ |
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| 11:45.48 | Manis | Hi. I'm trying to configure the default for the Gnome desktop. All guides I find modify /etc/dbus/..., but this is not present in Debian. How can I get it? |
| 11:46.57 | Mead | babilen: someone else had set off that trigger already, thanks though. |
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| 11:48.04 | babilen | Mead: I realised shortly thereafter :) |
| 11:48.07 | random_dude | who knows bash, how do i end "strace" args? |
| 11:48.18 | babilen | random_dude: The #bash channel comes to mind |
| 11:48.38 | Mead | what does "SPI" stand for? |
| 11:49.27 | random_dude | babilen: do bash talks count as offtopic here? |
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| 11:50.22 | babilen | random_dude: It really depends, but generally speaking I'd argue that you find a high number of people "who know[s] bash" in #bash |
| 11:50.25 | TomTomTo1 | Mead: it's an interface used by microchips to communicate or something else depending on the context. |
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| 11:51.11 | random_dude | arguing became kinda minstream today. dont know what did i just say |
| 11:51.12 | Mead | after I asked the question I found this via google http://www.spi-inc.org/ |
| 11:51.20 | xyassin | random_dude: sorry 2>&1 it's just stderr to stdout. |
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| 11:52.33 | random_dude | xyassin: thanks |
| 11:52.36 | Mead | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:53.34 | babilen | random_dude: Just wanted to answer the first of your two questions (i.e. "who knows bash"). I didn't mean to imply that your topic is off-topic here, but that #bash would be better suited for a long discussion about redirection in bash |
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| 11:53.55 | random_dude | first line makes situation "access("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-3.0/3.0.0/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)" |
| 11:54.52 | random_dude | babilen: thanks, i know bash, but sometimes hole appears in my head and i need someone to point at my mistake |
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| 11:56.11 | random_dude | i feel like gtk3 maintainers moved libraries, thats testing |
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| 12:01.56 | Emil | Okay |
| 12:01.59 | Emil | How the fuck do I unfuck dpkg? |
| 12:02.27 | Emil | gitlab-ce install fucked up, dpkg reports that it is in a very bad shape and I should install the package before attempting removal (which again, does not work) |
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| 12:03.12 | random_dude | Emily is away |
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| 12:04.04 | babilen | Emil: I couldn't find that package in Debian. Are you using their horrible "omnibus" package? |
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| 12:06.19 | Emil | babilen: yeah, but apparently it is fucked up... |
| 12:06.30 | Emil | So anything else will do |
| 12:06.34 | Emil | How do I remove this shit? |
| 12:06.57 | babilen | Emil: Could you paste your commands and their output to http://paste.debian.net ? Lets see what can be done .. Not always a great idea to download random .deb and install them. |
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| 12:07.28 | Emil | babilen: yeah, but it is the god damn gitlab |
| 12:07.34 | Emil | why must they fuck up |
| 12:07.43 | Emil | babilen: managed to unfuck dpkg and apt-get |
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| 12:07.50 | Emil | but that package is just not working |
| 12:08.31 | babilen | Okay .. so everything is good now apart from the fact that you don't have gitlab installed? |
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| 12:09.50 | Emil | babilen: yeah |
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| 12:10.02 | babilen | I'd say that's an improvement |
| 12:10.15 | Emil | babilen: what other solution would you suggest? |
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| 12:11.11 | babilen | Emil: I backported the package from sid |
| 12:11.29 | babilen | dpkg: ssb |
| 12:11.29 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 12:11.36 | babilen | Not sure if that works ^^^ |
| 12:12.30 | babilen | Could also check if a different distribution ships gitlab already and deploy on that platform. Xenial apparently ships 8.5.8 |
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| 12:14.00 | Emil | babilen: It is backported already |
| 12:14.14 | babilen | It is? |
| 12:14.16 | themill | "it" being what? |
| 12:14.19 | babilen | gitlab |
| 12:14.37 | themill | (I was hoping Emil would be precise) |
| 12:15.02 | babilen | Ah :) |
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| 12:27.13 | Emil | https://emil.fi/jako/gitlab.txt |
| 12:27.24 | Emil | If you are interested in a gitlab dpkg strace |
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| 12:28.25 | McAndrew_ | hi - im using debian9-testing - as guest under virtualbox5.1.6 - my audio-device is not running. anyone have an idea how to find mor informations and fix this problem? |
| 12:28.50 | McAndrew_ | i compiled and installed guest-drivers already |
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| 12:30.08 | McAndrew_ | im using plasma-5.7.4 - alsamixer is showing audiodevice |
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| 12:32.51 | srandon1242 | hello guys i did a dist-upgrade and gnome has sticky icons on the desktop now... i have all the icons doubled on the desktop... why ? |
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| 12:35.08 | marijnfs | frick, mate's file browser, caja, is not working on either my pc or laptop |
| 12:35.26 | marijnfs | both have debian stretch |
| 12:35.38 | marijnfs | freaking thing happened already before, why is it so instable? |
| 12:35.40 | missmbob | !tell marijnfs about debian-next |
| 12:36.04 | marijnfs | missmbob: ah, ill try there |
| 12:36.07 | missmbob | marijnfs: you're asking why stretch, which is "testing", is unstable? really? |
| 12:36.12 | random_dude | i gonna end in conclusion that better use anything that works for desktop purposes. i am using nautilus now as file manager. |
| 12:37.07 | marijnfs | yeah that seems to work, what are you running? |
| 12:37.39 | marijnfs | missmbob: I would also guess testing gets fixed quicker, this problem has been combing back since half a year |
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| 12:39.02 | CHCl3 | hi!!! I'm trying to install a wireless network texas acx111c16, after following all the steps given here: https://wiki.debian.org/acx when I try dsmeg | grep requesting it gives me back: requesting firmware image 'tiacx111c16' but that file is at /lib/firmware, what can I do? |
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| 12:47.30 | babilen | CHCl3: Why do you think that it fails to load the firmware? |
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| 12:48.03 | babilen | Could you paste the output of "dmesg|grep -C5 tiacx111c16" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 12:48.08 | jelly | CHCl3: can you pastebin the actual, complete and unchanged line from dmesg |
| 12:48.17 | jelly | or a screenshot thereof |
| 12:49.55 | CHCl3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:52.21 | CHCl3 | here it is pastebin.com/8WkWu6BL |
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| 12:54.07 | CHCl3 | babilen I don't know why doesn't loads the driver, I've tried all the version aviable at acx100.erley.org, but the generic tiacx111 that was requested before was accepted by the system and no longer requested |
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| 12:56.07 | btcNeverSleeps | hey all I've got a noobish question regarding this: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-7117 |
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| 12:57.04 | btcNeverSleeps | I'm running Debian Stretch and did "apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade" and yet I'm still on kernel 4.5.3-2, not 4.7.5-1. How do I upgrade to 4.7.5-1 ? |
| 12:57.29 | missmbob | !tell btcNeverSleeps about debian-next |
| 12:57.46 | btcNeverSleeps | missmbob: oh gotcha, tyvm, hoping there! |
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| 12:59.43 | themill | deuterates CHCl3 |
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| 13:49.20 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
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| 13:54.58 | user323 | hi, I have installed ufw on debian jessie with "default deny" and "allow 22/tcp" |
| 13:55.23 | user323 | but iptables -L does not show the 22/tcp rule. See: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/1143169e/ |
| 13:56.01 | user323 | KDE tries to connect to port 111 and fails if ufw is enabled -> KDE start needs 5 minutes |
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| 13:59.46 | jhutchins | user323: Perhaps it would be better to write your own rules. |
| 14:00.27 | jhutchins | It seems silly to firewall localhost from itself. |
| 14:02.38 | paul_grozav | hello, I have a ftp server behind NAT and uses public IP as pasv_address. But i can't connect from the LAN to the server, using pasv address, because the gw/firewall does not forward the traffic from interior to FTP passive port. Any idea what to do in this case? |
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| 14:12.48 | ksk | if you are able use alternative protocols |
| 14:12.50 | missmbob | so close |
| 14:12.56 | ksk | aww |
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| 14:15.01 | Mead | my network install failed twice after downloading the install files |
| 14:15.15 | missmbob | Mead: which iso? |
| 14:15.59 | jelly | paul_grozav: why would it forward anything if it's on the same LAN? |
| 14:16.16 | Mead | firmware-8.6.0-amd-netinst |
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| 14:16.36 | missmbob | Mead: how did you copy iso to the media? |
| 14:17.06 | Mead | win32 disk imager |
| 14:17.18 | missmbob | what do you mean by failed? |
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| 14:18.07 | Mead | when it came time to download components from a mirror, they downloaded and I get a "installation setp failed message" afterwards |
| 14:18.33 | missmbob | Mead: you did md5sum or sha1sum check? |
| 14:18.43 | Mead | of the ISO? |
| 14:18.46 | missmbob | yes |
| 14:19.11 | Mead | I had the installer check it in the graphical expert install, said it was fine |
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| 14:19.38 | user323 | jhutchins: is there a known bug in ufw? |
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| 14:22.18 | Mead | "check the cd-rom(s) integrity" ends with a message "The CD-ROM integrity test was successful. The CD_ROM is valid.", although I'm installing from a flash drive... |
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| 22:02.52 | MickyW | somiaj: Despite there had been no problem for a while (about a year) after using them for installation? |
| 22:03.36 | dhalgren | maybe the cd's degraded? guess you could try burning new wheezy cd's if you so desire... |
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| 22:04.10 | MickyW | BTW: For me, having a network connection, isn't a granted thing. Having a fallback seems a good practive to me. |
| 22:04.34 | dhalgren | yeah, I've been in such a situation in the recent past too |
| 22:05.01 | `Kevin | MickyW: honestly i do not think many here have expertise to debug a cdom repository issue without quite a bit back and forth, it is very uncommon and there are likely many possibilities regarding having todo workarounds to just make it work the way yo uare wanting |
| 22:05.20 | `Kevin | MickyW: i would suggest you setup a local apt mirror and sync when possible |
| 22:05.44 | `Kevin | if thats possible in your situation.. |
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| 22:06.29 | somiaj | MickyW: these are on physical cd drives? |
| 22:06.42 | somiaj | MickyW: or usb drivesr or just images (.iso) on your harddisk? |
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| 22:07.40 | MickyW | somiaj: Yes. They are physical cdroms (dvds to be precise). And the command "apt-cdrom add" didn't issue any error message. |
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| 22:08.15 | dhalgren | I'd def suspect the dvd medium itself |
| 22:08.18 | somiaj | MickyW: well if they went from working to not working, the physical dvd could just be going bad. That to me seems the most likely. |
| 22:08.19 | MickyW | It had just added the cdrom line again to sources.list like the one I removed right before. |
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| 22:10.00 | MickyW | somiaj: That does not sound reasonable to me. If the problem appeared just during "update" without any cdrom in the drive (as the with the many times before witout any problem) how should any degration, which occured to the media sould affect the software, which could not notice any degration? |
| 22:10.06 | teraflops | local repo sounds better, updating an up-to-date system with debian isos could end in downgrading things |
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| 22:11.24 | MickyW | I am not sure about what "apt-cdrom" add actually does. |
| 22:12.13 | dhalgren | MickyW: but maybe it could've affected it during indexing of the repo on the DVD; some corruption of the index; maybe that can be causing it? |
| 22:12.53 | dhalgren | wait |
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| 22:13.30 | dhalgren | so the error message during apt-get update is just that it can't update the cdrom's that aren't in the drive? nothing else, just that it can't index something that doesn't exist?? |
| 22:13.31 | MickyW | dhalgren: But aptitude did work for a long time with the index data on hd after having it added. |
| 22:13.43 | MickyW | dhalgren: Yes. Exactly |
| 22:13.50 | dhalgren | hm |
| 22:13.59 | dhalgren | doesn't even sound wrong really |
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| 22:15.11 | MickyW | dhalgren: Sorry. Cant follow you. An error message does sound like something is wrong. Doesn't it? |
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| 22:17.33 | dhalgren | MickyW: heh, yeah; I just mean, ofc apt-get update can't update a repo that physically isn't there. It shouldn't be even trying to update those particular repos, that seems the correct behavior, as there's no point; the cd's didn't change anyhow |
| 22:17.43 | teraflops | MickyW: talking about error. did you look at the logs? |
| 22:17.47 | somiaj | !wheezy-lts |
| 22:17.48 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. |
| 22:17.51 | MickyW | dhalgren: Oh. Just got it. - OK. But why didn't took it (aptitude) as error before a certain time? And what sense would make it? It can't be that unusaly havin both online and offline sources in sources.llist. |
| 22:18.18 | somiaj | MickyW: did this error happen somewhere around april this year? Just wondering if the change to wheezy-lts is causing an issue with apt when it is looking at wheezy sources. |
| 22:18.59 | somiaj | MickyW: I think it is unsual, I see very few people in here using actualy physical cds as their sources. Many use thigns like apt-cacherng though |
| 22:19.09 | MickyW | Having amd. So I shall be covered by prolonged sec updates either. |
| 22:20.06 | missmbob | having what? |
| 22:20.36 | MickyW | AMD architecture |
| 22:21.25 | somiaj | MickyW: amd64 and i386 are both supported. It won't matter if you have intel or amd hardware, they are just codenames fo x86 and x86_64 |
| 22:21.27 | MickyW | somepoortech: About the april issue: Not sure. Could be around that time. |
| 22:22.09 | somiaj | MickyW: it could be there is something subtle with how wheezy just became wheezy-lts without having new sources.list (unsure if this will affect apt or not). |
| 22:22.39 | dhalgren | MickyW: just to eliminate possibilities, is there any chance you just used to scroll through this error before, but maybe because you saw some recent problems with the system (or had a feeling it was misbehaving for any reason) , you went looking for errors and noticed this one? |
| 22:23.00 | cbzt | kde just released a LTS version. i'm guessing that one will end up in debian 9 since the freeze hasn't begun? |
| 22:23.02 | MickyW | somiaj: I know that. I misunderstood dpkg post, which I first interpreted as saying that support for i386 ended but was extended for AMD64. |
| 22:23.56 | dhalgren | I'm unsure how apt-get update normally behaves about cdroms, though it would make sense for it to not even try updating cdrom repos |
| 22:24.13 | somiaj | cbzt: you'll have to ask the kde team. The freeze happens in november, so they only have until then to get it into stretch. |
| 22:24.26 | MickyW | dhalgren: Yes. Thats true. I saw today, that the "update tool" (the one which is called by cron) wanted to install some security update but saying, that its source is untrusted (which made me suspicuous). |
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| 22:25.11 | MickyW | Want to see sources.list? |
| 22:26.10 | dhalgren | so it could be the case that apt update just normally unnecessarily barks at its cdrom-using users that it can't update the cdroms, or it could be the case that someone missed something when the old stable became LTS, cuz so few ppl use cdroms |
| 22:26.30 | cbzt | somiaj: ok thanks. i read that november is a transition freeze, but january 2017 is the soft freeze where no new packages come in |
| 22:26.33 | cbzt | what is transition freeze? |
| 22:26.35 | dhalgren | either way, the error seems benign |
| 22:26.55 | missmbob | cbzt: the rc's arent even in experimental ...so i highly doubt it |
| 22:27.06 | `Kevin | x2 teraflops |
| 22:27.12 | cbzt | missmbob: well it was just released |
| 22:27.30 | missmbob | cbzt: yes but experimental tends to follow rc's for such things. not just final releases |
| 22:27.49 | cbzt | i don't know that kde has rcs |
| 22:27.59 | cbzt | they just release every few months and declared this one lts |
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| 22:28.09 | `Kevin | ... forcibly downgrade from a CDROM repo or something similar breakin the system heh |
| 22:28.17 | MickyW | dhalgren: It may help, in spite I said it. - It came to the point where the "update tool" didn't any update until I first did an update with aptitude (without installing any). |
| 22:28.19 | missmbob | cbzt: it does. example https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.0-rc.php |
| 22:28.50 | cbzt | missmbob: that's a major update from plasma 4 to plasma 5. i meant minor point releases |
| 22:29.16 | cbzt | plasma 5 has been out for two years i think |
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| 22:29.56 | cbzt | https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.8.0.php |
| 22:29.57 | MickyW | Sorry. Cant't follow the recent entries. What are you talking about? (cbzt, mssmbob, 'Kevin) |
| 22:30.09 | somiaj | cbzt: not positive on what they mean, but it seems by transition freeze, it means packages will stop automatically flowing from sid to stretch. But in some cases the debian release directors can force newer packages in from sid (this is rare). And after january, packages that still have rc bugs start to get removed if there isn't signficant progress on them. |
| 22:30.36 | dhalgren | MickyW: unrelated; seems about kde versions in deb |
| 22:30.43 | MickyW | Uh. |
| 22:30.47 | MickyW | Thank you. |
| 22:31.15 | cbzt | somiaj: ok thanks |
| 22:31.24 | cbzt | if that's the case then it seems unlikely |
| 22:31.44 | zxc | Is the "Delete" key supposed to not function in Debian? Mine worked in Windows, and I believe it worked in Ubuntu, but why may it not work in Debian? It doesn't appear to be Gnome problem. |
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| 22:31.58 | somiaj | cbzt: yea desktops just take a long time to integrate into debian, a few months for a desktop seems unlikely to me too. |
| 22:32.01 | missmbob | cbzt: unrelated but i just saw the video on the page you linked us to. the "desktop widgets" made me have flashbacks to Windows ME. eww. |
| 22:32.26 | cbzt | windows 10 has desktop widgets too |
| 22:32.28 | dhalgren | MickyW: anyhow, try the suggestion about creating a local mirror of the repo instead of using the cdrom, seems the better way of using debian w a spotty connection regardless of whatever apt is doing wrongly here |
| 22:32.33 | MickyW | dhalgren: About your last post: There was a time, when aptitude did NOT moan about the cdroms. That started at some time this year. I think about march or not very much later. |
| 22:32.59 | dhalgren | could actually be a bug that the LTS team missed maybe.. |
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| 22:33.11 | cbzt | i may try kde neon. it's just a shame they only work on an ubuntu base and not debian |
| 22:33.24 | cbzt | i like the idea of keeping the base system stable while keeping the DE up to date |
| 22:34.26 | somiaj | cbzt: It sounds nice, but in practice de's are just too big. I have yet to see a backport for a DE made due to this. |
| 22:34.34 | MickyW | dhalgren: Hm. It just came to me, to check whether aptitude itself was updated recently. Moment. |
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| 22:35.17 | somiaj | MickyW: in wheezy aptitude won't get updated. But the wheezy > wheezy-lts could have added something subtle on the server side that confuses aptitude. |
| 22:35.51 | somiaj | MickyW: (well besides for bug/security fixes). Maybe report a bug and see if it gets any traction. Unsure where the best place for this is though. |
| 22:36.06 | MickyW | hm history.log is empty. - Have I deleted it by using apt-get clean? |
| 22:36.34 | maxcell_ | When i update the kernel to 4.7 i get some firmware missing errors about nouveau, so i uninstall xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and install nvidia, it works but, always when i try to apt-get autoremove it wants to remove the "xinit" and "xorg". How to stop this |
| 22:36.37 | cbzt | i could use debian testing but don't want to give up the security team support i get in stable |
| 22:36.45 | cbzt | thanks for the info |
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| 22:38.01 | somiaj | cbzt: debian is not a distro that is about having the most current DEs. I like it a lot, but I also don't use a DE so that makes it easier for me to not want the newer/fancy features. |
| 22:38.30 | MickyW | Forgot. There are rotate logs. Moment. |
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| 22:40.08 | dhalgren | MickyW: y, just tried it, no effect on the log |
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| 22:41.56 | MickyW | dhalgren: The same. No entry regarding aptitude |
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| 22:42.47 | dhalgren | so, to be expected |
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| 22:42.56 | MickyW | dhalgren: But at least one regardin apt. |
| 22:43.04 | MickyW | Moment |
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| 22:44.34 | dhalgren | sry, I'm gonna go afk and watch a video , cya ! |
| 22:45.37 | MickyW | Update: apt:amd64 (0.9.7.9+deb7u6, 0.9.7.9+deb7u7) |
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| 22:50.23 | awal1 | Why Enter, +, - and . touches of the numerical keyboard when, NumLock is off, works for some apps but not for others (in X)? Example: they work for moc and guake but not for cmus and mxrvt |
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| 22:53.16 | cbzt | somiaj: it's not just about wanting a current DE though. the KDE debian currently uses is EOL and lost support by KDE long ago lol |
| 22:53.37 | cbzt | which wm do you use? |
| 22:53.56 | cra1g321 | and yet it's more stable and less buggy than newer KDE ;) |
| 22:54.10 | missmbob | the debian way (tm) |
| 22:54.11 | cbzt | of course old software is more stable |
| 22:54.20 | cbzt | but that doesn't mean we should stick with windows xp |
| 22:54.22 | somiaj | cbzt: that is how stable works. stable will support the version that gets frozen with debian (despite what upstream does) |
| 22:54.25 | somiaj | cbzt: I use fvwm myself. |
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| 22:54.33 | MickyW | somiaj: If you have one more minute: Did I understand right? You consider it possible that either during transtion to lts or alter some problem was introduces into code of apt which may have caused my problem? |
| 22:54.56 | MickyW | alter -> after |
| 22:55.16 | somiaj | MickyW: could be, could also be something more subtle. I personally don't have enough experience with the actual cdrom sources to know what it could be. |
| 22:55.22 | missmbob | sns just rubs me the wrong way. testing currently has thunar with tab support. who really needs that? |
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| 22:55.53 | somiaj | missmbob: window managers are supose to handel the tabs!! But alas every program wants to do their own tabs these days. (: |
| 22:55.59 | awal1 | thinks that somiaj may want to be involved in fvwm deb pkg maintainer(s) team :P |
| 22:56.00 | MickyW | somiaj: Do you possibly know where to look for changes then? |
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| 22:56.23 | somiaj | awal1: if I can find time. (: |
| 22:56.29 | MickyW | I mean, may I see a log from the version control system (I think they use one). |
| 22:56.34 | awal1 | somiaj , :) |
| 22:56.48 | somiaj | MickyW: as I mentioned it might be worth givnig a bug report. Though I would try with a single curret cd image to ensure it isn't the images you are using first. |
| 22:57.19 | MickyW | somiaj: OK. Thank you so far. |
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| 22:57.36 | MickyW | Thanks to all, which have read and answered me. |
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| 23:12.35 | sohum | hi, I'm looking for advice on how to debug an issue with my system |
| 23:13.42 | somiaj | please give more details |
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| 23:14.03 | sohum | every now and then*, it freezes for most actions. usually things like typing in something on the cli is responsive, but actually running the command freezes (for all commands). similarly, switching between existing chrome tabs is responsive, but opening a new tab freezes |
| 23:14.47 | sohum | back when I used to keep my system on all the time, this would happen regularly like clockwork at 7:35am. now that I don't, it happens more erratically, about once a day, most likely just after booting |
| 23:14.55 | sohum | this makes me suspect a cron/anacron job |
| 23:16.49 | somiaj | sohum: sounds like an io issue, maybe you are filling up your memory and using swap (check top, cat /proc/meminfo, etc). also check demsg to see if your disks are spouting out i/o errors. |
| 23:17.44 | sohum | a small percentage of the few occasions I've had top running before the freeze happens, I've noticed btrfs related processes spiking the cpu. so I disabled the cron.daily job for taking a system snapshot (as the only cron.whatever thing I could find that could have something to do with btrfs). this hasn't helped. |
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| 23:18.34 | sohum | somiaj: dmesg reports no i/o errors, and I don't have a swap |
| 23:18.56 | somiaj | that could freeze your file system. But a freeze where things in memory work fine but as soon as you request data from your drive is an i/o issue, and it could be just something is going on with the filesystem and it has deleyd actions and put them in a que. |
| 23:19.06 | somiaj | I dn't know btrfs well enough to say much, but a snapshot or the likes could totally do that. |
| 23:19.42 | somiaj | there is an iotop you can look at I belive to see what is reading/writing to your drive at the time |
| 23:19.46 | sohum | yeah, that was my thought as well, but like I say, disabling that snapshot hasn't helped |
| 23:20.10 | sohum | I'll install iotop and see what information I can get from it |
| 23:21.20 | sohum | do you have any other general advice for how to debug this issue? |
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| 23:23.32 | teraflops | sohum: behaves like run out of ram |
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| 23:25.00 | sohum | I can totally believe that it's running out of ram |
| 23:25.00 | sohum | I have 16gb of ram, but chrome is hungry hungry |
| 23:25.22 | cra1g321 | i've 4GB here and all good |
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| 23:25.55 | teraflops | sohum: just saying |
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| 23:26.38 | teraflops | sohum: also swappiness 0 is a good idea if you don't have swap |
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| 23:27.12 | teraflops | not related but saner imo since you do not have swap (btrfs) |
| 23:27.54 | teraflops | cra1g321: ssd o hdd? iotop looks like a good idea |
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| 23:28.04 | teraflops | or* |
| 23:29.19 | cra1g321 | i was just saying that, to make sohum aware, that it is likely not lack of RAM, or that chrome eats ram, i've got chrome, firefox, konversation, caja, mate-terminal, all open, and running less than 2GB of RAM |
| 23:29.38 | sohum | my swappiness appears to be 1, which is probably a mistake |
| 23:29.55 | sohum | cra1g321: I have a very memory-hungry usage pattern of chrome with many long-running tabs :) |
| 23:30.33 | cra1g321 | i think you need to find a way to check whether its hardware or software that is to blame |
| 23:31.23 | sohum | as in, I've seem the oom-killer in action more than a few times; I know my system does run out of memory sometimes |
| 23:32.04 | sohum | I'm happy to test the hypothesis that that's doing ... something ... to disk i/o and triggering freezes via swap |
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| 23:34.29 | denken | sohum: yeah check /proc/meminfo and see if you are using all your real ram or not |
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| 23:34.49 | n-iCe | hello, bought a new laptop, using a ssd and a sata hard drive, does debian has any issue with ssd's? |
| 23:34.55 | denken | and check top (with some switches) to see how much swap you are using and which processes are page faulting the most |
| 23:35.26 | denken | n-iCe: not that ive ever heard of (depending on your definition of 'issues') |
| 23:35.38 | awal1 | sometimes my I get 100% cpu usage and system slows when using chromium+pepperflash in a few tabs, sohum |
| 23:35.53 | MickyW | Got the solution to my problem. - Multiarch problem. |
| 23:35.54 | awal1 | - my :P |
| 23:35.59 | n-iCe | denken: well, does it active trim noatime by default, etc? |
| 23:36.22 | MickyW | Juchu! |
| 23:36.43 | denken | n-iCe: trim is filesystem dependent, last time i checked, and i dont think the installer automatically enables it (but you can always add it to /etc/fstab) |
| 23:37.03 | denken | n-iCe: noatime is definitely an optional optimization that have to enable by hand... but that has nothing to do with ssd's |
| 23:37.14 | denken | well, its not ssd specific anyway |
| 23:37.15 | n-iCe | ok |
| 23:37.19 | n-iCe | is not? |
| 23:37.30 | n-iCe | I keep reading ubuntu does it by default to better ssd performace etc |
| 23:37.43 | denken | that may be, but that doesnt mean its only useful on ssd's |
| 23:37.57 | n-iCe | ok |
| 23:37.58 | denken | also, trim is 'discard' in /etc/fstab, fyi |
| 23:38.20 | denken | you may need to enable it in LVM as well, if you're using it |
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| 23:38.58 | teraflops | n-iCe: it depends on the sdd, so check it out with hdparm |
| 23:39.08 | denken | teraflops: that too :) |
| 23:39.26 | teraflops | e.g sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep TRIM |
| 23:39.48 | teraflops | Data Set Management TRIM supported (limit 2 blocks) |
| 23:39.56 | teraflops | here^ |
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| 23:40.53 | denken | for ext filesystems, only ext4 supports trim, fyi |
| 23:40.57 | denken | im not sure about btrfs or others |
| 23:41.46 | domovoy | so, the only way i can get fsdev to work correctly in mode passthrough when creating files (guest uid = host uid) is to set qemu tu run as root AND set "clear_emulator_capabilities = 0". I |
| 23:42.10 | domovoy | tried every test from my script: https://nopaste.me/view/0553533e |
| 23:42.36 | denken | hmm apparently there is periodic trim and continuous trim now |
| 23:42.47 | denken | i need to refresh my knowledge, it seems. |
| 23:44.19 | domovoy | Is that the "normal" way? Doesn't seem very secure. Any other way? |
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| 23:53.57 | sohum | okay, thanks for all your help, everyone |
| 23:54.11 | sohum | I've got a few changes I'm now testing and I know to check iotop/etc now |
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