| 00:01.46 | jeddi | krazyj: is nessusd still a good starting point? |
| 00:03.34 | jmcnaught | krazyj: check out the tiger package |
| 00:03.37 | jeddi | krazyj: oh - looks like lynis dives into configs a bit more heavily - haven't used it, so can't say. sort of thing you could happily run every free audit / vuln scan isn't it? |
| 00:04.35 | *** join/#debian sealsniper (uid190111@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wqlomwfpsebtzkky) |
| 00:04.40 | *** join/#debian blackest_mamba (~blackest_@2601:249:0:a313:61bf:dda:16b6:2d2) |
| 00:04.51 | *** join/#debian vvande (~vvande@66.244.241.35) |
| 00:06.04 | *** join/#debian jeezy (~xz@bitchx/apple/jeezy) |
| 00:06.34 | krazyj | on further googling, i think what i want is something like this: https://github.com/ovh/debian-cis |
| 00:06.50 | krazyj | something that will run through a battery of checks to make sure i donât have a big open configuration goof somewhere |
| 00:07.33 | krazyj | (but this is for a low-risk, low-importance personal web server⦠so itâs kinda whatever. more of a learning experiment.) |
| 00:07.49 | *** join/#debian anton02 (~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net) |
| 00:07.53 | *** join/#debian SwK (~SwK@freeswitch/developer/swk) |
| 00:08.09 | *** join/#debian RA3OR (~demon@185.124.250.42) |
| 00:08.09 | *** join/#debian RA3OR (~demon@unaffiliated/ra3or) |
| 00:08.14 | jeddi | krazyj: got fail2ban installed? |
| 00:08.35 | krazyj | jeddi: the general consenus iâm getting is that fail2ban is a stopgap measure for Good Security |
| 00:08.50 | krazyj | i.e. if youâre properly secured, it shouldnât matter if f2b is installed or not |
| 00:08.56 | krazyj | thatâs what iâm shooting for, at least |
| 00:08.57 | *** join/#debian f10 (~flo@2001:470:52af:1:6073:9668:fe28:7fc7) |
| 00:09.03 | jeddi | krazyj: fail2ban prevents (in the general case) vulns you've got that are exploitable (only) by brute force attacks. |
| 00:09.11 | jeddi | krazyj: there's no reason to not have in. defence in depth, and all that. |
| 00:09.18 | krazyj | hmmm ok |
| 00:09.53 | krazyj | i was hoping tight iptables + daily security updates + secured SSH (protocol 2, publickey, etc) + other services might |
| 00:09.55 | krazyj | be enough... |
| 00:09.59 | jeddi | a manual review of package list (dpkg -l) and ports open (netstat - though that won't show you all services that may respond to a knock) etc ... which is what a lot of these products do, of course. |
| 00:10.13 | krazyj | ahhhhh good point |
| 00:10.39 | jeddi | agreed, passwordless-only ssh is pretty safe, but fail2ban can then be thought of as a way of stopping you being dos'd by your logs filling up. |
| 00:10.41 | *** join/#debian bhurstpdx2 (~bhurstpdx@c-24-21-131-224.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 00:10.58 | *** join/#debian anuxivm (~anuxi@92.185.154.236) |
| 00:11.01 | krazyj | oh right |
| 00:11.09 | jeddi | also if you're doing log analysis as part of your IDS, having logs with less cruft makes everyone's life easier |
| 00:11.29 | krazyj | well, wouldnât that be a matter of properly rotating your logs, though? |
| 00:11.42 | *** join/#debian subzero79 (~subzero79@CPE-60-231-84-112.lns8.cha.bigpond.net.au) |
| 00:11.46 | jeddi | have you had a box on the public internet before - and watched the number of hits to tcp/22 ? |
| 00:11.51 | jeddi | it's brutal. |
| 00:11.53 | krazyj | yes⦠itâs alot |
| 00:12.10 | jeddi | fail2ban just means you may see 3 (say) of these before you don't see any more for 24 hours (say). |
| 00:12.17 | jeddi | per src-ip, of course. |
| 00:12.22 | krazyj | yeah |
| 00:12.38 | krazyj | in general, are there any logging strategies to mitigate that, that i might want to put in place? |
| 00:12.46 | jeddi | it also means they can't start knocking on your 443, 80, 590x, 53, and other ports you may have open |
| 00:12.51 | jeddi | at least not for 24 hours :) |
| 00:13.37 | jeddi | krazyj: not sure. *my* strategy is to be quite brutal with dropping routes to anyone who looks vaguely suspicious (ie port scan, failed attempts at ssh connections, etc) for at least a day. |
| 00:13.53 | *** join/#debian Adbray_ (~Adbtay@2001:470:1f11:def:fd4b:29f8:9bb1:ecd9) |
| 00:14.00 | jeddi | krazyj: are you implementing any kind of centralised logging and subsequent review of same? (i haven't done any such thing.) |
| 00:14.01 | *** join/#debian andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 00:14.12 | krazyj | do you happen to have your f2b .conf file handy? iâd love to take a look at how you set it up... |
| 00:14.22 | krazyj | jeddi: yep |
| 00:14.23 | krazyj | i am |
| 00:14.48 | krazyj | subsequent review might be VERY infrequent⦠but iâll definitely have it there and take a look, from time to time. once a month, maybe |
| 00:14.53 | krazyj | (at worst) |
| 00:15.22 | jeddi | i meant subsequent automated review. |
| 00:15.36 | jeddi | keep meaning to play with some of the log aggregators / reviewers / miners. |
| 00:15.51 | *** join/#debian Wizek__ (~Wizek@catv-89-132-132-110.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 00:16.31 | jmcnaught | ,i logcheck |
| 00:16.33 | judd | Package logcheck (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: mails anomalies in the system logfiles to the administrator. Version: 1.3.17; Size: 73.7k; Installed: 216k; Homepage: http://www.logcheck.org/; RFH: #731956 |
| 00:16.36 | krazyj | oh. i havenât heard of that⦠what kind of tools are you thinking up? |
| 00:16.42 | krazyj | neat! |
| 00:16.44 | krazyj | thanks jmcnaught |
| 00:16.53 | *** join/#debian doflamingo (~mr0@112.215.173.30) |
| 00:16.58 | jeddi | krazyj: logstash is the only one that's on my postitnote to look at -- but just found this page: http://xmodulo.com/open-source-log-monitoring-tools-linux.html talking about log aggregators , analysers, graphers, etc. |
| 00:17.15 | jmcnaught | krazyj: also check out tiger, which emails you about stuff that could be a problem (it's not comprehensive, but it's included in Debian) |
| 00:17.26 | *** join/#debian crameth (~crameth@bb42-60-104-101.singnet.com.sg) |
| 00:17.28 | jeddi | krazyj: be careful - there'sa bout a month worth of time you could throw into handling logs properly :) |
| 00:17.35 | *** join/#debian Ericx2x (~textual@209-6-43-2.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 00:17.38 | krazyj | :D |
| 00:18.49 | *** join/#debian Ericx2x (~textual@209-6-43-2.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 00:19.31 | jmcnaught | i also use tripwire, but it's a bit of a pain in the neck and difficult to automate, i'll likely move to a network IDS at some point when i have more systems to manage |
| 00:19.58 | *** join/#debian m1911 (~m1911@111.198.237.195) |
| 00:21.37 | *** join/#debian andril_2 (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 00:21.51 | *** join/#debian pencilandpaper (~penciland@unaffiliated/pencilandpaper) |
| 00:22.03 | *** join/#debian CoreyFeldman___ (sid142840@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fedhhdeknekzlyfz) |
| 00:23.10 | *** join/#debian flyinprogrammer (sid145234@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kdjiakoeeytqsrwc) |
| 00:23.18 | *** join/#debian andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 00:23.59 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-93-31-57.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 00:26.35 | *** join/#debian damio (sid156328@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mpsuwxglnzahfmwc) |
| 00:27.27 | *** join/#debian dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 00:27.50 | *** join/#debian sandeepkr__ (~sandeepkr@103.255.234.251) |
| 00:29.52 | ryouma | tiger is good but beware false positives |
| 00:30.04 | *** join/#debian th0r (~th0r@tx-184-7-56-237.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 00:31.08 | *** join/#debian Muflo (sid174539@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pagjkjqpvrgnsxlo) |
| 00:32.29 | *** join/#debian MattE (~matt@64.137.218.4) |
| 00:33.33 | *** part/#debian mileage_maker (~mileage_m@c-73-221-107-139.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 00:34.01 | *** join/#debian Wizek__ (~Wizek@catv-89-132-132-110.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 00:34.48 | *** join/#debian waI (~waiI@177.154.139.199) |
| 00:34.51 | *** part/#debian josh_ (~josh@112.215.172.45) |
| 00:35.10 | *** join/#debian shakalaka (~shakalaka@ec2-52-52-27-0.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) |
| 00:38.31 | *** join/#debian WizJin (WizJin@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-cnbwguqjchjmqtke) |
| 00:38.46 | *** join/#debian mr0 (~mr0@112.215.172.45) |
| 00:39.01 | mr0 | test |
| 00:39.08 | *** part/#debian mr0 (~mr0@112.215.172.45) |
| 00:41.02 | *** join/#debian flugger (~flugger@c-50-178-134-182.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:44.04 | *** join/#debian jass93__ (~ifillj@slidex-149.dynamic.rpi.edu) |
| 00:44.25 | *** join/#debian SirLagz (~SirLagz@ppp174-176.static.internode.on.net) |
| 00:46.14 | *** join/#debian KindOne_ (kindone@freenude/topless/kindone) |
| 00:46.52 | *** join/#debian barto (~Freddy@ayacucho.vicepresidencia.gob.bo) |
| 00:47.42 | *** join/#debian pixdamix (~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix) |
| 00:49.17 | *** join/#debian mroe (~roe@unaffiliated/roe) |
| 00:51.05 | *** join/#debian macartur (uid39242@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-exzjpqtgyadwscku) |
| 00:51.38 | *** join/#debian cliluw (~cliluw@unaffiliated/cliluw) |
| 00:51.41 | *** join/#debian admincomplex (~admincomp@unaffiliated/admincomplex) |
| 00:52.09 | *** join/#debian heraclitusq (~heraclitu@n175-38-79-72.per2.wa.optusnet.com.au) |
| 00:53.07 | *** join/#debian minamoto (~marcin@5.79.86.129) |
| 00:53.11 | *** join/#debian jass93_ (~ifillj@slidex-149.dynamic.rpi.edu) |
| 00:53.48 | *** join/#debian boubou (boubou@unaffiliated/boubou) |
| 00:54.37 | *** join/#debian jass93__ (~ifillj@slidex-149.dynamic.rpi.edu) |
| 00:56.11 | *** join/#debian turfrex (~py@ool-1826eaa1.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:56.34 | *** join/#debian Wizek__ (~Wizek@catv-89-132-132-110.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 00:58.13 | *** join/#debian PryMar56 (~prymar@unaffiliated/prymar56) |
| 00:59.28 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@nayon.fr) |
| 00:59.38 | *** join/#debian cyphase (~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase) |
| 00:59.55 | *** join/#debian pauna (pauna@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ompzzmvrptmahnpi) |
| 01:00.25 | *** join/#debian cyphase (~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase) |
| 01:01.37 | *** join/#debian andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 01:03.09 | *** join/#debian sidmo (~sidmo@p5489D2C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:05.58 | *** join/#debian blackest_mamba (~blackest_@2601:249:0:a313:61bf:dda:16b6:2d2) |
| 01:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1578] by debhelper |
| 01:09.38 | *** join/#debian althalus (~althalus@c-76-28-148-28.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 01:09.59 | *** join/#debian jerigondor (~jerigondo@84.121.54.35.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 01:13.34 | *** join/#debian lemerovingien (~lemerovin@ALamentin-651-1-175-132.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 01:14.24 | *** join/#debian Adbray (~Adbtay@2001:470:1f11:def:fd4b:29f8:9bb1:ecd9) |
| 01:16.09 | *** join/#debian tapout (~tapout@unaffiliated/tapout) |
| 01:16.34 | *** join/#debian neskau (~Sbyte@adm.sbyte.com.br) |
| 01:16.41 | *** join/#debian chen (~fury@relay.bannerfree.net) |
| 01:17.45 | *** join/#debian K1rk (~Kirk@2607:5300:60:643c::1532:20c9) |
| 01:17.50 | *** join/#debian Liam` (~Liam@znc.liam.sh) |
| 01:18.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1572] by debhelper |
| 01:18.41 | *** join/#debian Wizek_ (~Wizek@catv-89-132-132-110.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 01:19.06 | *** join/#debian JasonO (~jason@unaffiliated/hereticlocke) |
| 01:19.52 | *** join/#debian kooldavi (~kooldavi@p54BF56E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:20.41 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:a0e3:7c8e:25fd:c5cd) |
| 01:20.42 | *** join/#debian SCHAAP137 (~SCHAAP137@unaffiliated/schaap137) |
| 01:20.50 | *** join/#debian GDiaX (toasted@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rlqbffoxsvfwuihi) |
| 01:21.39 | *** join/#debian OS-22827 (~OS-22827@pool-74-98-173-48.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) |
| 01:21.40 | *** join/#debian Mahe (~mahe@p54B47E47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:21.46 | *** part/#debian OS-22827 (~OS-22827@pool-74-98-173-48.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) |
| 01:21.49 | *** join/#debian wobelingers (~wobelinge@pD9581AB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:21.51 | *** join/#debian Getafix74 (Getafix74@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-jdqqkfqdcvzwfgfr) |
| 01:21.52 | *** join/#debian idts (~lxuser@unaffiliated/tdis) |
| 01:22.18 | *** join/#debian wobeling1rs (~wobelinge@pD9581AB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:22.32 | *** join/#debian fstd_ (~fstd@x4db5ba86.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 01:22.39 | *** join/#debian fstd_ (~fstd@unaffiliated/fisted) |
| 01:24.09 | *** join/#debian james364 (~james364@dipconsultants.com) |
| 01:25.07 | *** join/#debian CEnnis91 (uid3543@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdwexflnxhvbxnkm) |
| 01:25.21 | james364 | i've removed the background image of lightdm with lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings but light-locker still uses the wallpaper. how can i change it for the lock screen? yes, i tried google. seems like it'd be easy to find |
| 01:26.52 | *** part/#debian jaggz (~jaggz@unaffiliated/jaggz) |
| 01:28.25 | *** join/#debian OS-23397 (~OS-23397@103.207.149.157) |
| 01:29.37 | *** join/#debian xshuiniu (~goirc@150-241-47-212.rev.cloud.scaleway.com) |
| 01:30.11 | *** join/#debian jak2000 (~jak2000@187.185.191.240) |
| 01:30.14 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 01:30.23 | jak2000 | why: sudo updatedb command not found? |
| 01:31.20 | missmbob | jak2000: sudo apt-get install mlocate |
| 01:32.45 | *** join/#debian skrb_ (~skrb@p5B0F1184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:32.52 | *** join/#debian l0xas (~unix@unaffiliated/l0xas) |
| 01:38.04 | *** join/#debian minamoto (~marcin@5.79.86.129) |
| 01:38.13 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@2607:fb90:4852:f140:1339:c8bb:c3c4:f5b9) |
| 01:38.29 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@2607:fb90:4852:f140:1339:c8bb:c3c4:f5b9) |
| 01:38.39 | *** join/#debian Mazhive (~Mazhive@telbo-190-4-73-211.cust.telbo.net) |
| 01:39.26 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@119.42.85.192) |
| 01:39.32 | Mazhive | hi guys how can i let my debian wheezy sftp log my activity i treid setting it in sshd_config but cant seem to find the log file.. |
| 01:41.31 | *** join/#debian heraclitusq (~heraclitu@n175-38-79-72.per2.wa.optusnet.com.au) |
| 01:41.53 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@76.14.67.20) |
| 01:42.29 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@76.14.67.20) |
| 01:43.36 | *** join/#debian docholiday| (~docholida@76.14.67.20) |
| 01:44.28 | *** join/#debian pingfloyd (~pingfloyd@unaffiliated/pingfloyd) |
| 01:45.19 | *** join/#debian sm00th (~sm00th@unaffiliated/sm00th) |
| 01:45.31 | jak2000 | how to know if nginx or apache listen on port 80? |
| 01:45.40 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@2607:fb90:a746:963f:d4c3:f0f9:4745:8fd) |
| 01:46.15 | *** join/#debian docholiday- (~docholida@76.14.67.20) |
| 01:46.57 | pingfloyd | jak2000: sudo netstat -tunpl |
| 01:47.46 | jak2000 | ok done |
| 01:48.16 | *** join/#debian fguide (~fguide@unaffiliated/fguide) |
| 01:48.24 | jak2000 | hx |
| 01:49.35 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:103d:d763:eb9f:26c) |
| 01:49.41 | *** join/#debian crameth (~crameth@bb42-60-104-101.singnet.com.sg) |
| 01:50.16 | *** join/#debian fnord_ (crazyed@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy) |
| 01:50.40 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@2607:fb90:a746:963f:4320:4de9:41b3:6ef1) |
| 01:51.04 | *** join/#debian socomm (~socomm@96-40-156-20.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) |
| 01:51.29 | *** part/#debian socomm (~socomm@96-40-156-20.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) |
| 01:51.35 | *** join/#debian mileage_maker (~mileage_m@c-73-221-107-139.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 01:52.30 | pingfloyd | jak2000: alternatively: sudo lsof -i :<port number> |
| 01:53.28 | pingfloyd | so in your case: sudo -i :80 to show what is listening on port 80 |
| 01:53.39 | *** join/#debian Wizek_ (~Wizek@catv-89-132-132-110.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 01:54.17 | *** join/#debian Ericx2x (~textual@209-6-43-2.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 01:55.30 | jak2000 | ok thanks |
| 01:55.51 | *** join/#debian aaro (~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147) |
| 01:56.04 | *** join/#debian santix (~username@186.136.66.155) |
| 01:56.08 | *** join/#debian docholiday| (~docholida@2607:fb90:4aba:f720:2714:91ca:e0b8:ea3c) |
| 01:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1578] by debhelper |
| 02:04.01 | *** join/#debian flugger (~flugger@c-50-178-134-182.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 02:04.41 | *** join/#debian jass93_ (~ifillj@slidex-149.dynamic.rpi.edu) |
| 02:09.18 | *** join/#debian SpaceAce (~SpaceAce@58-6-139-192.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 02:10.03 | *** join/#debian james41382 (~james4138@unaffiliated/james41382) |
| 02:10.38 | *** join/#debian DingoSaar (~hagen@pD9E083D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:14.27 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@2607:fb90:4aba:f720:b0a2:570:7c98:81a9) |
| 02:14.33 | *** join/#debian pencilandpaper (~penciland@unaffiliated/pencilandpaper) |
| 02:15.08 | *** join/#debian roylaprattep (~roylaprat@unaffiliated/roylaprattep) |
| 02:15.19 | jak2000 | when i try: cp itsol.mx.hosts hoteldelcamino.mx.hosts |
| 02:15.31 | jak2000 | i get this error: cp: cannot create regular file `hoteldelcamino.mx.hosts': Read-only file system |
| 02:15.34 | jak2000 | i am root why? |
| 02:15.58 | jmcnaught | jak2000: 'Read-only file system' |
| 02:16.09 | roylaprattep | Mount your fs rw. |
| 02:16.38 | roylaprattep | Check your fstab. |
| 02:16.43 | jak2000 | ok |
| 02:16.58 | jak2000 | roylaprattep in my server i have a named running... |
| 02:17.03 | roylaprattep | for a ro, and replace it with rw, on the fas you are trying to work |
| 02:17.15 | roylaprattep | fs* |
| 02:17.46 | jak2000 | for add other domain only cp /var/cache/bind/domain.mx.hosts to /var/cache/bind/domain1000.mx.hosts and configure /var/cache/bind/domain1000.mx.hosts |
| 02:17.47 | jak2000 | right? |
| 02:18.05 | jmcnaught | jak2000: what are you trying to do? add a zone file to bind9? |
| 02:18.36 | *** join/#debian fguide (~fguide@177.9.156.217) |
| 02:18.36 | *** join/#debian fguide (~fguide@unaffiliated/fguide) |
| 02:18.43 | jak2000 | yes |
| 02:18.53 | *** join/#debian lstieb (~lstieb@84-113-194-77.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) |
| 02:19.18 | jmcnaught | jak2000: why are you putting them in /var/cache and not /etc/bind ? |
| 02:19.41 | roylaprattep | My zine are in /var/cache/bind as well too. |
| 02:19.44 | roylaprattep | zone* |
| 02:19.48 | jak2000 | not know :( my provider configured.... |
| 02:19.52 | roylaprattep | It's Debian default... |
| 02:20.21 | roylaprattep | jak2000: Leave your zone there, it's ok. |
| 02:21.10 | roylaprattep | Your named.conf.option points there for your zone anyway. |
| 02:21.52 | *** join/#debian Ericx2x (~textual@209-6-43-2.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 02:21.57 | *** join/#debian Sir_Designer__ (Elite17539@wikipedia/mareklug) |
| 02:22.06 | *** join/#debian qbek (~qbek@unaffiliated/qbek) |
| 02:22.58 | jmcnaught | i consider zone files (on a DNS master) to be configuration, and belong in /etc. To me /var/cache/bind is where a slave would put zone files it gets from its master |
| 02:23.48 | *** join/#debian dunderproto (~dunderpro@125-230-79-210.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 02:23.59 | roylaprattep | jmcnaught: By default, when bind is installed, named.conf.option points to /var/cache/bind for all zones. |
| 02:24.25 | roylaprattep | Doesn't matterif it's in /var/cache/bind or /etc anyway... |
| 02:25.08 | jmcnaught | i try to put all config in /etc as a matter of consistency, instead of having config all over the place |
| 02:25.55 | roylaprattep | It's not all over the place, only bind does this. Normal thing since it's like that when apt-get install bind9 |
| 02:27.12 | roylaprattep | Since the beginning of time, my zones always were there. |
| 02:28.28 | roylaprattep | jmcnaught: Anyway, zone files aren't configuration files. |
| 02:29.27 | jmcnaught | roylaprattep: "While you are free to craft whatever structure you wish for servers which need to be authoritative for additional zones, what we suggest is that you put the db files for any zones you are master for in /etc/bind..." from /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.Debian.gz |
| 02:29.39 | *** join/#debian guiverc (~guiverc@ppp118-209-93-178.bras1.mel11.internode.on.net) |
| 02:29.46 | Mazhive | oke i have it working i forgot to restart rsyslog.. now i have a different question how to check if a file is completely uploaded according to the log files.. |
| 02:30.28 | jmcnaught | roylaprattep: it goes on to explain that the working directory is set to /var/cache/bind so that zone files from masters go there, which makes sense because in that context they're state, not config |
| 02:30.38 | roylaprattep | jmcnaught: Well, by default, Debian named.conf.option, put zone files in /var |
| 02:30.54 | jmcnaught | but on a master nameserver, zone files are definitely configuration |
| 02:31.35 | roylaprattep | Well, on my home server, they are in /var for me. And it works very well like it. |
| 02:31.46 | *** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@197.237.131.125) |
| 02:32.10 | roylaprattep | Never had issues with that. |
| 02:32.53 | jmcnaught | roylaprattep: as the README.Debian.gz says, you're free to do what you want, but the recommendation is /etc for config, /var for state. That way you have a single directory to backup that contains *all* the config for your system |
| 02:33.38 | roylaprattep | Doesn't matter, I have a raid-1 on my server. |
| 02:33.41 | jak2000 | how to test if wass been configured? |
| 02:34.24 | *** part/#debian jak2000 (~jak2000@187.185.191.240) |
| 02:34.44 | jmcnaught | roylaprattep: raid != backups |
| 02:35.12 | roylaprattep | I know hehe. |
| 02:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1569] by debhelper |
| 02:40.15 | *** join/#debian hexagoxel (~hexagoxel@p200300798F03CD00021E33FFFE2231E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:41.26 | *** join/#debian pingfloyd (~pingfloyd@unaffiliated/pingfloyd) |
| 02:41.28 | *** join/#debian Colloguy (~Colloguy@4.16.41.83) |
| 02:44.20 | *** join/#debian blu__ (~bluenemo@unaffiliated/bluenemo) |
| 02:46.36 | *** part/#debian mileage_maker (~mileage_m@c-73-221-107-139.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 02:47.51 | *** join/#debian Klaus_D1eter_ (~klaus@x4e358983.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 02:50.33 | roylaprattep | jmcnaught: I listened to your advice, moved all my zones to /etc/bind ;) |
| 02:51.18 | roylaprattep | jmcnaught: Only "managed-keys.bind" left in /var/cache/bind |
| 02:52.36 | *** join/#debian renzhi (~renzhi@116.231.48.149) |
| 02:56.32 | jmcnaught | roylaprattep: cool. on the topic of /etc, do you know about etckeeper? |
| 02:57.39 | roylaprattep | nope, what is it? |
| 02:58.32 | jmcnaught | roylaprattep: it helps you keep /etc under version control (defaults to git), has hooks for apt, does daily autocommits. Really helpful when you want to know the history of a file in /etc |
| 02:58.48 | jmcnaught | and now your zone files will benefit from it too! :) |
| 02:58.53 | *** join/#debian chachasmooth (~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth) |
| 02:59.42 | *** join/#debian anaiden (~anaiden@99-95-167-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:59.58 | roylaprattep | thanks |
| 03:01.04 | *** join/#debian Klaus_Dieter (~klaus@x4e358983.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 03:01.09 | *** join/#debian BloodCountess (~Tess@unaffiliated/bloodcountess) |
| 03:01.14 | *** join/#debian nickenchuggets (~nicken@unaffiliated/zeromodulus) |
| 03:01.24 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 03:01.31 | *** join/#debian buffal0 (~buffal0@47.201.72.239) |
| 03:04.12 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@2607:fb90:4aba:f720:b0a2:570:7c98:81a9) |
| 03:05.32 | *** join/#debian renzhi (~renzhi@116.231.48.149) |
| 03:06.10 | *** join/#debian dka_ (~dka@42.119.128.220) |
| 03:07.26 | *** join/#debian Zvmdyv (~Zvmdyv@unaffiliated/zvmdyv) |
| 03:08.36 | *** join/#debian mbreedlove (~mbreedlov@162.216.46.194) |
| 03:14.31 | *** part/#debian dunderproto (~dunderpro@125-230-79-210.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 03:14.43 | *** join/#debian th0r (~th0r@tx-184-7-56-237.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 03:14.55 | *** join/#debian RTFM[away] (~RTFMaway]@unaffiliated/rtfmaway/x-3892344) |
| 03:15.23 | *** join/#debian Mmike (~mario@unaffiliated/mmike) |
| 03:16.12 | *** part/#debian sluggo (cc98d64a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.152.214.74) |
| 03:16.25 | *** join/#debian Alex88WH (~alex88wh@2804:7f3:8988:94c2:ccc:a139:2ad0:a928) |
| 03:18.17 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:ac2c:1c7b:371e:6d83) |
| 03:18.34 | *** join/#debian sea{Slemuomule} (~sea@2600:3c03:e000:1bd::9) |
| 03:19.14 | sea{Slemuomule} | I wanted to read the last year of this graph: https://buildd.debian.org/stats/graph.png , but I can't see the colors. Could someone read it for me? Is there a website that prints this as a table, with numbers instead of colors? |
| 03:19.21 | *** join/#debian kzimmerm1nn (~kzimmerma@177.98.68.171) |
| 03:22.06 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 03:23.59 | *** join/#debian booboy (~booboy@c-50-129-174-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 03:24.30 | *** join/#debian dusares (~dusares@dusares.com) |
| 03:25.29 | *** join/#debian Alex88WH (~alex88wh@2804:7f3:8988:94c2:ccc:a139:2ad0:a928) |
| 03:26.17 | *** join/#debian Alex88WH (~alex88wh@201.22.136.239.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 03:27.04 | *** join/#debian Alex88WH (~alex88wh@201.22.136.239.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 03:27.12 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@2607:fb90:4aba:f720:b0a2:570:7c98:81a9) |
| 03:27.50 | *** join/#debian Alex88WH (~alex88wh@201.22.136.239.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 03:28.40 | *** join/#debian Alex88WH (~alex88wh@201.22.136.239.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 03:28.54 | *** join/#debian phystau (~phystau@96-32-52-43.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 03:29.28 | *** join/#debian Alex88WH (~alex88wh@201.22.136.239.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 03:30.05 | ryouma | hmm, some of those colors seem just about indistinguishable |
| 03:30.19 | *** join/#debian Alex88WH (~alex88wh@201.22.136.239.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 03:31.05 | *** join/#debian Alex88WH (~alex88wh@2804:7f3:8988:94c2:ccc:a139:2ad0:a928) |
| 03:32.18 | *** join/#debian buffffal00 (~buffal0@104.145.235.38) |
| 03:32.39 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 03:32.50 | *** join/#debian Alex88WH (~alex88wh@2804:7f3:8988:94c2:ccc:a139:2ad0:a928) |
| 03:32.57 | *** join/#debian jak2000 (~jak2000@187.185.191.240) |
| 03:33.00 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 03:39.36 | jmcnaught | sea{Slemuomule}: i don't know, but the information might be in https://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase |
| 03:41.43 | pingfloyd | hurd-i386 sure has steadily increased |
| 03:44.14 | *** join/#debian bhurstpdx2 (~bhurstpdx@c-24-21-131-224.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 03:45.37 | *** join/#debian buffal0 (~buffal0@47.201.72.239) |
| 03:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1561] by debhelper |
| 03:59.23 | *** join/#debian michaelni (~michael@213-47-41-20.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) |
| 03:59.34 | *** join/#debian anaiden (~anaiden@99-95-167-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:00.55 | *** join/#debian SlaGTaTs (~bilbo@cpc103414-donc13-2-0-cust213.17-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 04:01.25 | *** part/#debian anaiden (~anaiden@99-95-167-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:03.29 | *** join/#debian Eduard_Munteanu (~Eduard_Mu@5-12-255-210.residential.rdsnet.ro) |
| 04:05.04 | *** join/#debian l0xas (~unix@unaffiliated/l0xas) |
| 04:05.49 | *** join/#debian N3X15 (~Rob@2602:47:2376:e100:6cf6:69c8:1e54:97ba) |
| 04:05.56 | *** join/#debian cyan__ (~cyan@217.170.162.68) |
| 04:07.36 | *** join/#debian N3X15 (~Rob@2602:47:2376:e100:6cf6:69c8:1e54:97ba) |
| 04:09.38 | *** join/#debian phystau (~phystau@96-32-52-43.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 04:09.53 | *** join/#debian conformist (~conformis@46.211.253.187) |
| 04:10.21 | jak2000 | jmcnaught hi are you there? |
| 04:10.34 | *** join/#debian DopeMeston (~DopeMesto@gateway/tor-sasl/dopemeston) |
| 04:13.18 | *** join/#debian flapping (~flapper@31.7.56.113) |
| 04:13.25 | flapping | Flap flap flap, i'm a bird |
| 04:13.30 | flapping | I CAN FLY! |
| 04:13.33 | *** join/#debian mbreedlove (~mbreedlov@162.216.46.55) |
| 04:14.28 | sea` | soaks flapping |
| 04:19.41 | flapping | shits on you all! |
| 04:19.45 | flapping | is a bird |
| 04:19.48 | flapping | can fly! |
| 04:21.22 | flapping | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.24 | *** kick/#debian [flapping!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.) |
| 04:21.29 | *** join/#debian flapping (~flapper@31.7.56.113) |
| 04:21.32 | flapping | fuck |
| 04:21.33 | flapping | fu j |
| 04:21.34 | flapping | fuck |
| 04:22.52 | *** join/#debian emeritus (~emeritus@104.207.134.95) |
| 04:23.40 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@2607:fb90:4aba:f720:b0a2:570:7c98:81a9) |
| 04:24.44 | *** join/#debian superusr (~usr@p5B2458CE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:25.57 | *** join/#debian Hunterkll (~Hunterkll@2001:470:8b06:100:6041:685c:d61b:e44e) |
| 04:28.07 | *** join/#debian BishamonX (~sam@41.235.146.16) |
| 04:29.06 | BishamonX | Hey, guys. Gnome's Package Updater, does it actually work? Every time I load it up it says no updates available. |
| 04:29.14 | BishamonX | Am I missing a configuration or something? |
| 04:30.45 | *** join/#debian Hink (~Hink@hink.me) |
| 04:30.45 | *** join/#debian Hink (~Hink@unaffiliated/hink) |
| 04:31.42 | *** join/#debian flugger (~flugger@c-50-178-134-182.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:33.09 | jmcnaught | BishamonX: does "apt list --upgradable" list any packages? |
| 04:34.40 | BishamonX | jmcnaught: At the moment, no, everything is updated. So it works out the box without any configuration? |
| 04:35.14 | *** join/#debian mekatronik_ (~mekatroni@2605:a601:75e:9d00:e586:4fbe:c348:75e4) |
| 04:35.18 | BishamonX | Let me rephrase, does it apt update > apt upgrade or do I have to update before opening it? |
| 04:37.55 | *** join/#debian Riyria (~Riyria@machine77.Level3.com) |
| 04:38.12 | *** join/#debian OS-23397 (~OS-23397@103.207.149.157) |
| 04:39.58 | *** join/#debian fiddlerwoaroof (~fiddlerwo@unaffiliated/fiddlerwoaroof) |
| 04:40.11 | *** join/#debian dka__ (~dka@42.119.128.42) |
| 04:46.24 | BishamonX | I've been reading the documentation about gnome-packagekit, however it's not showing any need for configuration. There is even an update viewer (icon), never seen it pop up. |
| 04:46.48 | BishamonX | Either I'm missing something about Gnome's Package Updater or I'm understanding it wrong. |
| 04:47.07 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 04:48.27 | *** part/#debian sea` (~sea@2600:3c03:e000:1bd::9) |
| 04:48.29 | jmcnaught | BishamonX: it works out of the box here. i've never used it to install updates, but it's told me about them before |
| 04:48.58 | *** join/#debian Geoff_C (~user@62.102.148.152) |
| 04:49.12 | *** join/#debian debhlp (~davetk@c-83-233-85-83.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 04:50.29 | *** join/#debian z8z (~x@mo1-73-95-114.air.mopera.net) |
| 04:51.10 | *** join/#debian Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@p5DD7AE86.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:51.25 | *** join/#debian th0r (~th0r@tx-184-7-56-237.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 04:51.29 | *** join/#debian phystau (~phystau@96-32-52-43.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 04:52.46 | missmbob | BishamonX: keep in mind stable doesn't get updates often |
| 04:53.14 | *** join/#debian fiddlerwoaroof (~fiddlerwo@unaffiliated/fiddlerwoaroof) |
| 04:53.52 | BishamonX | I'm on Stretch at the moment. I was never able to have Package Updater find updates, I always do it via terminal. Maybe I'm not waiting long enough or something. |
| 04:54.03 | missmbob | !tell BishamonX about debian-next |
| 04:54.34 | BishamonX | I'm aware of it, thank you. Apologies, I thought since this is a general feature in both sid and stable, it was ok to discuss here. |
| 04:55.13 | themill | It would be if anyone actually knew anything about it ;) |
| 04:56.13 | BishamonX | About gnome-packagekit? |
| 04:56.27 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:3c3b:4125:19d7:abb5) |
| 04:56.43 | BishamonX | Anyway, thanks guys, gonna head out to debian next. Apologies once again. Have a great [insert-timezone] |
| 04:59.10 | *** join/#debian Mylesjfd (~Mylesjfd@mea2280215.lnk.telstra.net) |
| 05:00.35 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@76.14.67.20) |
| 05:00.58 | *** join/#debian Abadox (~Abadox@162-251-193-78.dynamic.parolink.net) |
| 05:01.24 | *** join/#debian TheCoffeMaker (~TheCoffeM@186.136.217.118) |
| 05:01.24 | *** join/#debian TheCoffeMaker (~TheCoffeM@unaffiliated/thecoffemaker) |
| 05:03.29 | *** join/#debian ceon (~niju@77.119.131.137.wireless.dyn.drei.com) |
| 05:04.51 | *** join/#debian civillian (~nick@174.202.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au) |
| 05:05.22 | *** join/#debian sikun (~David@h191.67.88.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 05:06.31 | *** join/#debian lsv (~nn@CPE84948c2eddc1-CM84948c2eddc0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 05:07.06 | *** join/#debian babak (uid19622@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gklgzlysziwcvjld) |
| 05:07.43 | *** join/#debian dbristow (~dbristow@ool-4570ba07.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 05:07.43 | *** join/#debian dbristow (~dbristow@nylug/member/dbristow) |
| 05:09.38 | *** join/#debian evade (~evade@c-73-65-238-158.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 05:10.15 | *** join/#debian jcnouveau (~jcnouveau@58-147-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr) |
| 05:14.03 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 05:18.58 | *** join/#debian fiddlerwoaroof (~fiddlerwo@unaffiliated/fiddlerwoaroof) |
| 05:19.55 | *** join/#debian eliotime (~Thunderbi@190.235.214.105) |
| 05:25.01 | *** join/#debian Caplain (~shayne@d14-69-32-57.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 05:25.16 | *** join/#debian cyan__ (~cyan@217.170.162.68) |
| 05:28.17 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 05:29.12 | *** join/#debian likevinyl (~freebeer@186.19.190.9) |
| 05:29.12 | *** join/#debian likevinyl (~freebeer@unaffiliated/likevinyl) |
| 05:30.31 | *** join/#debian eliotime1 (~Thunderbi@201.230.158.32) |
| 05:31.41 | *** join/#debian Shentino (~Shentino@gentoo/contributor/shentino) |
| 05:32.17 | *** join/#debian galeido (galeido@unaffiliated/galeido) |
| 05:34.36 | *** join/#debian m-H7 (~mathias@178-83-100-100.dynamic.hispeed.ch) |
| 05:36.36 | *** join/#debian Y04NN_ (~y04nn@nayon.fr) |
| 05:37.45 | *** join/#debian Y04NN_ (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:9ce4:93ff:9e58:6a2e) |
| 05:39.39 | *** join/#debian debhlp (~davetk@c-83-233-85-83.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 05:40.41 | *** join/#debian tvm_ (~tvm@router-sever2-nat-e.pilsfree.net) |
| 05:44.30 | *** join/#debian hexagoxel (~hexagoxel@p5B29AD8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:46.26 | *** join/#debian somiaj (~jaimos@unaffiliated/somiaj) |
| 05:47.45 | *** join/#debian CreadPag (~root@181.91.43.245) |
| 05:48.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1554] by debhelper |
| 05:50.02 | *** join/#debian roentgen (~roentgen@unaffiliated/roentgen) |
| 05:50.12 | *** join/#debian CreadPag (~root@181.91.43.245) |
| 05:53.25 | *** join/#debian dayten (~gnoid@185.3.33.103) |
| 05:56.27 | *** join/#debian LucaTM (~LucaTM@unaffiliated/lucatm) |
| 05:56.54 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.14.89) |
| 05:59.42 | *** join/#debian Caplain (~shayne@d14-69-32-57.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 06:00.52 | *** join/#debian _foldLeft (~foldleft@205.153.36.170) |
| 06:01.07 | *** join/#debian patterson (~patterson@73.93.142.148) |
| 06:01.07 | *** join/#debian debalance (~debalance@aftr-88-153-7-155.unity-media.net) |
| 06:01.11 | *** join/#debian conta (~Thunderbi@2a00:1028:838a:1096:8db8:6468:b977:8a51) |
| 06:01.26 | *** join/#debian Dj_Dexter (~Dark_X@gentoo/user/dj-dexter) |
| 06:01.51 | *** join/#debian xaa (~xaa@2a02:a03f:45:e000:e080:542b:a4f:294c) |
| 06:02.44 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@82-132-212-88.dab.02.net) |
| 06:03.24 | *** join/#debian Jazz86 (~massimo@net-93-148-80-178.cust.dsl.teletu.it) |
| 06:04.57 | *** join/#debian cdown_ (~cdown@199.201.66.3) |
| 06:05.25 | *** join/#debian LambdaCalculus37 (~robert@pool-173-54-153-194.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:06.02 | *** join/#debian dbristow (~dbristow@ool-4570ba07.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 06:06.02 | *** join/#debian dbristow (~dbristow@nylug/member/dbristow) |
| 06:08.13 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@76.14.67.20) |
| 06:09.41 | *** join/#debian fnordperfect (~fab@ip5b435d9d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 06:09.51 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@82-132-212-88.dab.02.net) |
| 06:12.42 | *** join/#debian Mylesjfd (~Mylesjfd@220-253-160-9.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:14.13 | *** join/#debian cybrNaut (cybrNaut@2001:0:53aa:64c:1826:6550:bcca:66c4) |
| 06:15.39 | *** join/#debian crameth (~crameth@bb42-60-104-101.singnet.com.sg) |
| 06:16.48 | *** join/#debian Mylesjfd (~Mylesjfd@220-253-160-9.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:18.36 | *** join/#debian Mylesjfd (~Mylesjfd@220-253-160-9.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:18.48 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 06:19.14 | *** join/#debian mbreedlove (~mbreedlov@162.216.46.55) |
| 06:19.51 | *** join/#debian Caplain (~shayne@d14-69-32-57.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 06:19.59 | *** join/#debian Mylesjfd (~Mylesjfd@220-253-160-9.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:20.35 | *** join/#debian iamawesome (~shibly@unaffiliated/shibly) |
| 06:21.00 | *** join/#debian Mylesjfd (~Mylesjfd@220-253-160-9.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:21.03 | iamawesome | Hi, is it possible to install gnome from debian-8.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso ? |
| 06:21.28 | *** join/#debian thomas (~thomas@freenode/staff/thomas) |
| 06:21.56 | *** join/#debian lsv (~nn@CPE84948c2eddc1-CM84948c2eddc0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 06:22.07 | themill | You can install gnome using any of the installer images. |
| 06:23.07 | iamawesome | I meant, installing gnome from debian-8.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 06:23.19 | iamawesome | I don't want to install gnome downloading from internet |
| 06:23.30 | iamawesome | Is gnome include in debian-8.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso? |
| 06:23.45 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell iamawesome about cd contents |
| 06:23.47 | iamawesome | When I install debian using debian-8.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso, i get the console/tty terminal |
| 06:23.48 | themill | All of gnome should be on CD1 |
| 06:23.57 | iamawesome | I don't get gnome |
| 06:24.08 | themill | Did you ask for it to be installed? |
| 06:24.28 | iamawesome | It's black terminal though I selected Desktop Environment and Utilities |
| 06:24.52 | iamawesome | themill, Yes, i think, i selected these two options, those were marked/checked/crossed |
| 06:24.59 | themill | Maybe you should start again and ask your real question ;) |
| 06:25.19 | iamawesome | themill, Start what? |
| 06:25.26 | iamawesome | themill, Gnome didn't start |
| 06:25.43 | iamawesome | Desktop Environment was selected |
| 06:25.49 | iamawesome | Where was the problem? |
| 06:26.09 | binaryc | running socks proxy (tor) can access (testing via curl) localhost but not using hostname. Pointers ? |
| 06:27.02 | binaryc | curl: (7) couldn't connect to host |
| 06:28.18 | iamawesome | I wanted to install gnome-core |
| 06:29.18 | *** join/#debian minamoto (~marcin@5.79.86.129) |
| 06:29.52 | *** join/#debian GenTooMan (~cyberman@pool-173-75-2-243.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:30.08 | iamawesome | Can anyone answer? Why didn't I get gnome desktop? |
| 06:30.27 | iamawesome | I got tty black window login prompt after installation. |
| 06:31.02 | *** join/#debian jrok (jrok@cpe-75-178-16-19.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 06:31.45 | *** join/#debian glebihan (~glebihan@unaffiliated/glebihan) |
| 06:31.46 | jmcnaught | iamawesome: you can login there and look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and "systemctl status gdm" as root |
| 06:32.37 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 06:32.52 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@76.14.67.20) |
| 06:35.45 | jmcnaught | binaryc: does 'hostname' resolve to 127.0.1.1? |
| 06:36.10 | binaryc | jmcnaught: yes. hostname resolves to 127.0.1.1 |
| 06:36.57 | binaryc | and I am not asking curl to resolve hostname via proxy . I am curl --socks5 NOT --socks5-hostname |
| 06:38.30 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:481a:ad51:d7d5:ebfd) |
| 06:39.43 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-93-31-57.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 06:42.03 | *** join/#debian BlueByte (~walther@dslb-094-218-017-067.094.218.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 06:45.47 | *** join/#debian gerforce (~gerf0rce@218.23.120.7) |
| 06:47.48 | *** part/#debian iamawesome (~shibly@unaffiliated/shibly) |
| 06:48.52 | *** join/#debian cpc26 (~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26) |
| 06:49.45 | *** join/#debian z8z (~x@mo1-73-95-114.air.mopera.net) |
| 06:51.21 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 06:52.20 | pingfloyd | is debian.net unofficial? |
| 06:52.30 | *** join/#debian dbristow (~dbristow@ool-4570ba07.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 06:52.38 | *** join/#debian dbristow (~dbristow@nylug/member/dbristow) |
| 06:52.48 | *** join/#debian sfb (swant@freenode/staff/ikea) |
| 06:53.52 | *** join/#debian mavhq (~quassel@cpc77319-basf12-2-0-cust433.12-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 06:56.13 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@76.14.67.20) |
| 06:57.49 | *** join/#debian jxcl (~jxcl@c-73-78-220-222.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 06:57.50 | *** join/#debian MaBunny (cbabf14c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.203.171.241.76) |
| 06:59.34 | *** join/#debian MaBunny (cbabf14c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.171.241.76) |
| 06:59.42 | MaBunny | hello guys |
| 06:59.54 | MaBunny | http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/stretch_di_alpha7/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 07:00.10 | MaBunny | is this the stretch iso pagee? |
| 07:00.35 | *** join/#debian docholiday (~docholida@76.14.67.20) |
| 07:00.36 | babilen | One of many |
| 07:00.45 | MaBunny | ok |
| 07:00.56 | MaBunny | which one is the official |
| 07:01.18 | *** join/#debian hipkomh (~Icedove@219.159.152.24) |
| 07:01.29 | babilen | They are all official, but differ in 1. When the image was created (dailies, weeklies, alpha releases, ...) and 2. If they contain firmware |
| 07:01.42 | babilen | (all on cdimage.debian.org) |
| 07:01.59 | *** join/#debian MrNeon (~MrNeon@a109-48-102-44.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 07:02.04 | *** join/#debian minamoto (~marcin@89-73-30-234.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 07:02.09 | MaBunny | ok,so they can be updated to the latest repos? |
| 07:02.24 | babilen | The firmware ones are unofficial in that contrib and non-free software is not being seen as part of Debian |
| 07:02.40 | MaBunny | yes of course |
| 07:03.15 | babilen | You can update every Debian installation to the package versions currently in the repositories given enough time, but yes: You can use any of them for installation and download and install updates |
| 07:03.19 | MaBunny | ok thn im downloading from tht page |
| 07:03.32 | MaBunny | ok |
| 07:03.33 | babilen | Does your hardware require firmware? |
| 07:04.06 | MaBunny | maybe,im downloading for my big bros hardware |
| 07:04.15 | MaBunny | its not for me |
| 07:04.51 | babilen | If so you might want to grab an image from: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ (either weekly or alpha 7 .. haven't tried the alpha 7 and am not sure how well it works) |
| 07:04.55 | *** join/#debian Guest6286 (r00t@50.7.115.24) |
| 07:05.10 | MaBunny | ok then |
| 07:05.31 | babilen | Note that these are alpha releases of the installer and might therefore very well be buggy. Personally I would probably use the weekly, but this weeks version might be broken also. |
| 07:05.50 | *** join/#debian EmleyMoor (phil@topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com) |
| 07:06.09 | babilen | Alternatively you can install jessie and take it from there |
| 07:06.24 | MaBunny | stretch is meant to be in developing stage |
| 07:06.43 | MaBunny | but it will go on a long way,thts why im installing it |
| 07:06.50 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 07:06.55 | *** join/#debian llama052 (~llama052@cpe-65-27-249-123.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 07:07.35 | MaBunny | but babilen,the page you linked me then,is tht the firmware iso or the iso installer with the firmwares? |
| 07:07.44 | somiaj | MaBunny: you can still install stretch by upgrading jessie to stretch. But if the hardware is not supported with the jessie installer or you want to test the isntaller use the alpha7. |
| 07:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1562] by debhelper |
| 07:08.06 | babilen | MaBunny: Sorry, I don't quite understand what you are asking |
| 07:08.19 | babilen | What's the difference ? |
| 07:08.35 | MaBunny | idk about the hardware actually,its running a fake windows and he wants to uninstall it n run debian |
| 07:09.05 | babilen | It's okay, the firmware isos work just as well if you do not require it |
| 07:09.28 | MaBunny | well babilen,iwill the firmwqare install a stretch with all firmwares installed? |
| 07:09.46 | babilen | They will include firmware in the final installation, yes |
| 07:09.59 | MaBunny | argh,leave it |
| 07:10.06 | MaBunny | ok |
| 07:10.07 | babilen | leave what? |
| 07:10.10 | EmleyMoor | I've actually got that ISO on my multiboot stick |
| 07:10.26 | MaBunny | no my prev comment |
| 07:10.36 | MaBunny | ok,let me rephrase it |
| 07:10.48 | babilen | will try to not stop you |
| 07:11.10 | MaBunny | will the iso you linked me install the stretch with all firmwares |
| 07:11.21 | MaBunny | required* |
| 07:12.24 | babilen | If your hardware requires firmware and if that firmware is included it will be loaded during the installation and installed on the final system |
| 07:12.43 | MaBunny | from any iso? |
| 07:12.56 | babilen | Only from the "unofficial" isos that include firmware |
| 07:13.02 | MaBunny | while installing from* |
| 07:13.05 | *** join/#debian CipherZero (~lee@unaffiliated/cipherzero) |
| 07:13.23 | CipherZero | -su: git: command not found <â whatâs wrong? |
| 07:13.44 | EmleyMoor | CipherZero: git not installed? |
| 07:13.49 | CipherZero | lol |
| 07:13.52 | CipherZero | then how can i do? |
| 07:13.58 | somiaj | CipherZero: install git. |
| 07:14.03 | CipherZero | how? |
| 07:14.08 | somiaj | CipherZero: apt-get install git |
| 07:14.14 | CipherZero | thanks |
| 07:14.18 | babilen | :) |
| 07:14.28 | *** join/#debian Y04NN_ (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:add7:9b7f:6393:c00c) |
| 07:16.09 | *** join/#debian julius_ (~jason4@dslb-178-003-128-062.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 07:21.17 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.14.89) |
| 07:21.23 | *** join/#debian ewkilian (~ewkilian@LFbn-1-7528-169.w90-126.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 07:25.50 | *** join/#debian Streusel (~Anonymous@unaffiliated/streusel) |
| 07:25.57 | *** join/#debian pepronipi (~pi@c-75-66-251-198.hsd1.la.comcast.net) |
| 07:29.48 | *** join/#debian nanobit (~nanobit@85.17.248.194) |
| 07:31.29 | *** join/#debian poleprogger (~mj@46.128.154.166.dynamic.cablesurf.de) |
| 07:32.13 | *** join/#debian conformist (~conformis@46.211.253.203) |
| 07:33.33 | *** join/#debian Messenger_bird (~banana@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) |
| 07:34.56 | *** join/#debian JPT (~jpt@classified.name) |
| 07:36.43 | *** join/#debian serard (~pi@cim06-3-78-238-25-117.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 07:37.15 | *** join/#debian dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 07:38.08 | *** join/#debian phucktank (47400454@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.64.4.84) |
| 07:38.10 | EmleyMoor | just clicked "#CatBuzz" on Facebook - top of the page: "Did you mean: #catbus" - my response will be "Do I sound like a Brummie? |
| 07:38.13 | EmleyMoor | " |
| 07:38.50 | *** part/#debian CipherZero (~lee@unaffiliated/cipherzero) |
| 07:39.33 | phucktank | can I get some help with UEFI boot? I put debian jessie on a usb drive and it will boot from laptop 1 but not laptop 2. If I do the repair disk and fix it then it will boot on laptop 2 but not laptop 1. Very strange |
| 07:40.50 | *** join/#debian GandalfTheWizard (~Emma@112.10.170.91) |
| 07:42.03 | *** join/#debian SpaceDanceCJ (~Sasha@178.121.118.255) |
| 07:42.15 | *** join/#debian dutchfish (~wil@unaffiliated/dutchfish) |
| 07:42.20 | babilen | "do the repair disk" ? |
| 07:43.26 | phucktank | I should have said rescue mode, my bad. On the debian install disk. I open a shell on my usb and reinstall grub to fix the EFI |
| 07:43.45 | *** join/#debian marvn (~marvn@46.33.broadband3.iol.cz) |
| 07:46.55 | *** join/#debian stargazer (~stargazer@2a02:c7d:5da6:e900:4a5a:b6ff:fe8b:c313) |
| 07:47.08 | *** join/#debian freanux (~freanux@unaffiliated/freanux) |
| 07:47.22 | serard | Hello |
| 07:47.33 | *** join/#debian soee (~soee@user-46-112-185-76.play-internet.pl) |
| 07:47.44 | *** join/#debian hamiltino (~tux@c220-239-237-235.belrs5.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 07:47.53 | *** part/#debian hamiltino (~tux@c220-239-237-235.belrs5.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 07:48.08 | *** join/#debian chalcedony (~chalcedon@unaffiliated/chalcedony) |
| 07:48.20 | serard | How can I get the partitions names of a usb key without mouting it ? Using raspbian, it's GUI is auto-mounting to /media/pi/${PARTITION_NAME} and would like to have same behavior on console (without GUI+ without sudo) |
| 07:48.59 | troffasky | /dev/disk/by-name , or something |
| 07:49.29 | troffasky | /dev/disk/by-id |
| 07:49.53 | TomTomTosch | serard: /media/pi/something is where it would be mounted. you can see partitions using lsblk for example or run fdisk -l as root. |
| 07:51.08 | serard | TomTomTosch, hello; using lsblk after plugging in my usb key I can see /dev/sdb but no mount point |
| 07:51.50 | serard | TomTomTosch, and sudo fdisk -l does not provide partition name (so I can mkdir /media/pi/${mount_point} by myself) |
| 07:52.21 | serard | TomTomTosch, also, it's something the DE is already doing, just want to plug this behavior on my command (booting raspi3 console mode for headless) |
| 07:53.15 | phucktank | Im not sure of a way to do what you're asking but to mount it you can just "mount /dev/sdb /media/pi/storage" or whatever directory you want it to be |
| 07:53.36 | troffasky | /dev/disk/by-id |
| 07:53.57 | *** join/#debian stoilkov (~anton@95.111.120.130) |
| 07:54.00 | phucktank | try what troffasky is saying |
| 07:54.26 | *** join/#debian soulz (~soulz@unaffiliated/soulz) |
| 07:54.47 | *** join/#debian Exileur (~remi@eth-west-pareq2-46-193-0-26.wb.wifirst.net) |
| 07:54.48 | TomTomTosch | so what you want is a tool that automatically mounts everything you plug in. |
| 07:55.34 | troffasky | no, he said "How can I get the partitions names of a usb key without mouting it?" |
| 07:56.45 | troffasky | ah, i see the rest of his question now... |
| 07:56.48 | phucktank | oh I thought he wanted a way to mount it so that it mounts it at /media/pi/UUID |
| 07:57.36 | TomTomTosch | you could try usbmount, never used it myself, though. |
| 07:58.49 | phucktank | are you wanting the UUID without mounting it? if so try "lsblk -0 uuid,name" |
| 07:58.52 | *** join/#debian minamoto (~marcin@5.79.86.129) |
| 07:58.59 | dutchfish | well, why not use `sudo lsblk -o name,mountpoint,label,size,uuid` |
| 07:59.07 | *** join/#debian cyan__ (~cyan@217.170.162.68) |
| 07:59.11 | dutchfish | or anything alike |
| 07:59.19 | phucktank | yea not 0 mistype |
| 08:00.09 | *** join/#debian baraba (~baraba@unaffiliated/baraba) |
| 08:02.30 | *** join/#debian Starduster (~guest@unaffiliated/starduster) |
| 08:02.40 | serard | lsblk does not provide the partition name until it's mounted via GUI |
| 08:03.00 | dutchfish | serard, as far as i know, nothing does |
| 08:03.19 | serard | ok, lsblk -o name,mountpoint provides me /media/usb0 |
| 08:03.30 | *** join/#debian longshoredrift (~unkraut@unaffiliated/humbag) |
| 08:03.45 | serard | now I need the partition name so I can symlink it to /media/pi/${partition_name}, we are near :D |
| 08:03.53 | troffasky | how about udevil? |
| 08:04.02 | *** join/#debian czesmir (~stefan@ell88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 08:04.05 | joze | can a motherfucker say fuck in here? |
| 08:04.08 | *** join/#debian CutMeOwnThroat (~k@2a02:8070:d1b1:5f00:a288:b4ff:fe9a:1270) |
| 08:04.08 | *** join/#debian CutMeOwnThroat (~k@unaffiliated/iridos) |
| 08:04.20 | troffasky | joze, fuck no |
| 08:05.37 | troffasky | "udevil mounts and unmounts removable devices and network shares without requiring a password (set suid), shows device information and monitors device changes. It includes the devmon automounting script" |
| 08:05.54 | phucktank | what exactly do you mean by partition name? |
| 08:06.13 | *** join/#debian minamoto (~marcin@89-73-30-234.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 08:06.25 | serard | on a drive, you can get many partitions, and they can have a name, no ? |
| 08:06.38 | *** join/#debian harrison (~quassel@li89-226.members.linode.com) |
| 08:07.02 | dutchfish | s/name/label ? |
| 08:07.10 | *** join/#debian ssaturos (~saturos@host86-149-90-135.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 08:07.12 | phucktank | Yea but if lsblk -o name,mountpoint,uuid,label doesn't show it then I don't know what you're talking about |
| 08:07.12 | serard | yes, sorry |
| 08:07.13 | *** join/#debian sbine (~sbine@unaffiliated/sbine) |
| 08:07.40 | *** join/#debian pavlushka (~Pavel@103.205.58.18) |
| 08:07.43 | *** join/#debian pavlushka (~Pavel@ubuntu/member/pavlushka) |
| 08:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1571] by debhelper |
| 08:09.23 | serard | phucktank, the label column is blank here :o |
| 08:09.59 | phucktank | it might not have a label. A partition does not need one |
| 08:12.06 | serard | ok, reboot, thank you all for your inputs !! |
| 08:13.15 | *** join/#debian hate (~niju@178.189.81.162) |
| 08:13.15 | phucktank | any idea why my efi usb will boot in one computer but no others? I can get it to boot in another laptop by using recovery mode and reinstalling grub, but then it won't boot off the previous laptop |
| 08:13.21 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 08:16.40 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@nayon.fr) |
| 08:16.46 | *** join/#debian serard (~pi@cim06-3-78-238-25-117.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 08:17.03 | serard | ok, lsblk -o uuid gave me what I want, thank you all again ! |
| 08:18.04 | phucktank | You're welcome |
| 08:19.15 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 08:19.17 | dutchfish | phucktank, Under EFI, boot loaders are stored as files in the EFI System Partition (ESP). Ordinarily, such files have names that are unique to the OS, such as EFI/debian/grubx64.efi for Debian. Because of this fact, boot loaders must be registered in the firmware's NVRAM. |
| 08:20.14 | phucktank | dutchfish, so I can't have my usb uefi and just plug it into any computer and it work? |
| 08:20.29 | dutchfish | phucktank, not directly, no |
| 08:20.57 | *** join/#debian m-H7 (~mathias@178-83-100-100.dynamic.hispeed.ch) |
| 08:21.12 | dutchfish | phucktank, check out boot-repair for that |
| 08:21.19 | dutchfish | (wiki) |
| 08:21.34 | phucktank | dutchfish, how is the ubuntu live usb able to achieve it then? |
| 08:22.10 | dutchfish | phucktank, just hinted that, see wiki boot-repair (there are others) |
| 08:22.18 | *** join/#debian bony (~quassel@183.83.24.193) |
| 08:22.18 | *** join/#debian bony (~quassel@swecha/bony) |
| 08:22.51 | dutchfish | phucktank, or use a computer with bios instead |
| 08:23.23 | dutchfish | phucktank, some have both (switchable) |
| 08:23.39 | *** join/#debian Drzacek (~Drzacek@dslb-178-009-050-200.178.009.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 08:25.29 | *** join/#debian ssaturos (~saturos@host86-149-90-135.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 08:26.08 | dutchfish | https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI |
| 08:26.24 | *** join/#debian zowux (~zowux@aftr-37-24-148-72.unity-media.net) |
| 08:26.53 | *** join/#debian biberu (~biberu@c-cf2d72d5.08-441-7570702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 08:26.59 | phucktank | dutchfish, is Force grub-efi installation to the removable media path the section i need? |
| 08:27.34 | dutchfish | phucktank, not sure, it is a while ago i used it, just read it all |
| 08:28.28 | *** join/#debian Envil (~envil@x4e33d096.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 08:29.10 | *** join/#debian georgeowell (~from@unaffiliated/georgeowell) |
| 08:30.36 | phucktank | dutchfish, what it sounds like is I need to make a efi entry in /boot/bootx64.efi instead of /debian/grubx63.efi |
| 08:31.30 | *** join/#debian careta (~botto@dslb-092-075-028-170.092.075.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 08:31.52 | *** join/#debian oo_miguel (~miguel@89-76-235-131.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 08:32.26 | *** join/#debian superusr (~usr@p5B245F2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 08:32.55 | dutchfish | phucktank, normally you need to make you stick aware of the partition scheme (UEFI) of the computer you want ot use it on. Also see https://www.vanstechelman.eu/content/creating-an-uefi-bootable-linux-usb-stick |
| 08:32.59 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 08:33.46 | dutchfish | phucktank, in any case, make backups before you starting fidling around with your uefi |
| 08:34.37 | *** join/#debian ojoa (~zetagi@91.236.116.233) |
| 08:34.48 | phucktank | dutchfish, okay I'm going to try a few things. |
| 08:37.25 | *** join/#debian rawrawrer (~rawrawrer@c58-111-144-57.thorn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 08:38.31 | *** join/#debian Lady (~niju@178.189.81.162) |
| 08:39.09 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.14.89) |
| 08:40.14 | *** join/#debian careta (~botto@dslb-092-075-028-170.092.075.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 08:44.33 | *** join/#debian ilushka (~ilushka@dsl212-143-41-238.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 08:46.37 | *** join/#debian Brigo (~Brigo@164.11.60.178.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com) |
| 08:47.04 | phucktank | dutchfish, loading in the recovery mode with debian installer using the option force grub in UEFI removable media path solved my issue |
| 08:48.13 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 08:48.58 | *** join/#debian tvm (~tvm@router-sever2-nat-e.pilsfree.net) |
| 08:51.31 | *** join/#debian RebelCoderW (~Yuriy@cpc74579-lewi13-2-0-cust201.2-4.cable.virginm.net) |
| 08:51.34 | *** join/#debian PseudoNoob (~PseudoNoo@unaffiliated/pseudonoob) |
| 08:52.38 | *** join/#debian syn43 (~syn43@dslb-178-009-057-007.178.009.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 08:53.36 | *** join/#debian erly (~Janusz@31-178-82-249.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 08:53.42 | *** part/#debian erly (~Janusz@31-178-82-249.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 08:53.52 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:51a1:5749:24ee:df98) |
| 08:57.49 | *** join/#debian shann (~shann@arl95-h01-31-34-235-236.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) |
| 08:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1578] by debhelper |
| 09:00.20 | *** join/#debian nhhc (~nhhc@AMarseille-158-1-176-132.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:02.19 | *** join/#debian Putti (~Putti@unaffiliated/putti) |
| 09:02.33 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-93-31-57.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 09:02.35 | *** join/#debian f10 (~flo@2001:470:52af:1:6073:9668:fe28:7fc7) |
| 09:03.15 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 09:03.24 | *** join/#debian N3X15 (~Rob@2602:47:2376:e100:5c5e:8cd1:910:2ec) |
| 09:03.53 | *** join/#debian LorD_n1c0w (~igorhenri@177.75.77.4) |
| 09:04.57 | *** join/#debian thiras (~thiras@unaffiliated/thiras) |
| 09:08.08 | *** join/#debian bobe (~bobe@port-92-205-57-222.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 09:12.08 | *** join/#debian renzhi (~renzhi@116.231.48.149) |
| 09:12.41 | *** join/#debian Gilley (b98913f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.137.19.249) |
| 09:12.46 | *** part/#debian Gilley (b98913f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.137.19.249) |
| 09:15.54 | *** join/#debian Quatroking (~Quatrokin@507098B5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl) |
| 09:17.05 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 09:19.49 | *** join/#debian JethroTux (~JethroTux@unaffiliated/jethrotux) |
| 09:21.45 | *** join/#debian boudiccas (~boudiccas@77.45.198.146.dyn.plus.net) |
| 09:23.08 | *** join/#debian gdot2 (~gdot@pD9FED2FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:25.22 | *** join/#debian NaPs (~NaPs@vai94-5-88-190-237-76.fbxo.proxad.net) |
| 09:26.13 | *** join/#debian ANSCH (~a@unaffiliated/ansch) |
| 09:27.19 | Lady | test |
| 09:27.34 | Lady | I do not know who listen |
| 09:27.36 | *** join/#debian canopus (~canopus@unaffiliated/pierrot) |
| 09:27.41 | Logg | it worked. |
| 09:27.49 | Lady | but US and Russia want war |
| 09:27.53 | *** join/#debian OS-23397 (~OS-23397@103.207.149.157) |
| 09:28.00 | Lady | I hate it |
| 09:28.09 | Lady | so |
| 09:28.13 | *** join/#debian patterson (~patterson@73.93.142.252) |
| 09:28.28 | Lady | I will alway<s be a Lady |
| 09:28.35 | themill | Lady: please take the hint and fuck off |
| 09:28.37 | *** mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ |
| 09:28.39 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@178.189.81.162] by themill |
| 09:28.40 | *** kick/#debian [Lady!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill] by themill (On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.) |
| 09:28.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill |
| 09:29.06 | *** join/#debian czesmir_ (~stefan@dbr236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 09:31.06 | *** join/#debian masters (~petr@178.44.17.31) |
| 09:32.19 | *** join/#debian Narrow (~OS-24633@202.62.16.25) |
| 09:32.25 | *** part/#debian Narrow (~OS-24633@202.62.16.25) |
| 09:33.37 | *** join/#debian WayToDoor (~milk.bott@autresservs.api-d.com) |
| 09:34.28 | Linux4UnMe | LOL |
| 09:35.39 | *** join/#debian robotroll (~robotroll@unaffiliated/robotroll) |
| 09:35.44 | *** join/#debian doflamingo (~doflaming@112.215.172.49) |
| 09:36.35 | doflamingo | hello, please help me how to downgrade network-manager-gnome to previous release |
| 09:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1585] by debhelper |
| 09:38.03 | Logg | apt-get install network-manager-gnome=[xxxxxxx] where [xxxx] is version number you want |
| 09:38.16 | cast | keeping in mind debian doesn't support package downgrades |
| 09:39.24 | doflamingo | thank you, i will try |
| 09:39.28 | cast | doflamingo: what's your actual problem? |
| 09:40.32 | troffasky | how can i list installed packages by size? |
| 09:40.51 | troffasky | "dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -n " is close |
| 09:40.56 | doflamingo | cast, it seems affect nm-applet behavior.. and theme/icons.. am i right? |
| 09:41.00 | troffasky | but it includes packages that aren't installed |
| 09:41.42 | themill | troffasky: try purging packages that are removed but not purged (/msg dpkg purge). You can also /msg dpkg sort by size |
| 09:42.57 | troffasky | OK, 1379 packages in state rc :-D |
| 09:44.13 | *** join/#debian soee_ (~soee@afjj26.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 09:44.38 | troffasky | i am going to assume that purging mysql-server-5.5 won't affect config files for mysql-server-5.6 |
| 09:44.40 | themill | troffasky: nice work. aptitude search '~c'; aptitude purge '~c' |
| 09:44.47 | themill | correct |
| 09:45.09 | troffasky | hmm, don't have aptitude installed |
| 09:46.11 | *** join/#debian giusaro (~giusaro@95.238.188.188) |
| 09:47.17 | *** join/#debian ssaturos (~saturos@host86-149-90-135.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 09:47.36 | *** join/#debian DarsVaeda (4e2208ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.34.8.171) |
| 09:47.41 | *** join/#debian d0lph1n98 (~d0lph1n@175.140.114.68) |
| 09:47.52 | troffasky | well perhaps i'll make more use of aptitude in future, most of what i do is made of dpkg, apt, grep and awk |
| 09:48.10 | doflamingo | cast, nm-applet is not started in xfce but no problem in fluxbox |
| 09:48.16 | DarsVaeda | hi, if I dd a 4TB drive that is filled just with 25GB do I need 4TB or 25GB space for the image? |
| 09:48.43 | *** join/#debian LNJ2GO (~lnj@x55b2d187.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 09:49.01 | troffasky | is the partition 4TB? |
| 09:49.07 | DarsVaeda | yes |
| 09:49.12 | Logg | DarsVaeda: It would depend on how data is distributed on the disk |
| 09:49.21 | Logg | best is to just dd the whole 4 TB then archive it |
| 09:49.46 | troffasky | I'm sure there's a tool that will make a sensible-sized image of a mostly-empty partition |
| 09:49.50 | DarsVaeda | well my problem is I don't have another 4TB ;) |
| 09:49.54 | troffasky | as it's not an unusual use-case |
| 09:50.12 | troffasky | you could pipe it through gzip but i'm sure there's a more appropriate ready-made tool |
| 09:50.22 | *** join/#debian raphyduck (~raph@31.204.128.205) |
| 09:50.43 | *** join/#debian soee (~soee@user-46-112-185-76.play-internet.pl) |
| 09:51.11 | DarsVaeda | ok thanks |
| 09:51.24 | *** part/#debian doflamingo (~doflaming@112.215.172.49) |
| 09:52.28 | *** join/#debian DanneStrat (~daniel@90-225-127-181-no229.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 09:53.14 | Logg | You could resize the partition |
| 09:53.17 | Logg | then copy just the partition |
| 09:54.38 | DarsVaeda | no the drive failed, so I just wanted to try to make a backup at least |
| 09:54.46 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:1132:d5e8:e000:9c20) |
| 09:55.17 | DarsVaeda | but as I don't have the space I'm pretty limited |
| 09:56.17 | Logg | How can you access the drive if it failed? :\ |
| 09:56.58 | troffasky | ok so you want ddrescue, not dd then |
| 09:57.11 | DarsVaeda | can access it and list folders, sometimes files...I'm just clutching at straws here ^^ |
| 09:57.38 | Logg | I like testdisk also |
| 09:58.16 | troffasky | DarsVaeda, lots of ideas here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_cloning |
| 09:58.32 | *** join/#debian cyberwolf (~unknown@h109-187-207-4.dyn.bashtel.ru) |
| 09:59.18 | *** join/#debian l0llip0p (~vilitaltt@91.156.200.241) |
| 09:59.46 | *** join/#debian remo (~remo@147-224-112-92.pool.ukrtel.net) |
| 10:00.12 | DarsVaeda | ah thanks I'll read through that |
| 10:00.14 | *** join/#debian bolovanos (~bolovanos@91.201.22.5) |
| 10:00.58 | *** join/#debian l0llip0p (~vilitaltt@a91-156-200-241.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 10:01.05 | *** join/#debian john_s (~quassel@92.109.167.66) |
| 10:01.23 | john_s | what is the proper way to override an existing kernel module (by alias) these days? |
| 10:01.28 | DarsVaeda | I suppose (or desperately hope) the controller is defective so I'm not sure anything will work anyway |
| 10:02.34 | *** join/#debian ssaturos (~saturos@host86-149-90-135.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 10:03.15 | sphaleri1e | If I switch to another virtual console, my music stops unless I'm logged into that virtual console. How does this behaviour work and how can I modify it? |
| 10:04.13 | *** join/#debian Ad1Tech (~ad1tech@s37.linuxpl.com) |
| 10:04.49 | *** join/#debian B[]rG (~tuptidup@46-150-40-173.cable.teleing.net) |
| 10:05.42 | *** join/#debian EvilEnigma (~EvilEnigm@122.167.203.204) |
| 10:05.47 | *** part/#debian EvilEnigma (~EvilEnigm@122.167.203.204) |
| 10:07.50 | *** join/#debian Hootch (~Thunderbi@xdsl-87-78-237-59.netcologne.de) |
| 10:08.18 | *** join/#debian Tiffon (~name@unaffiliated/tiff0n) |
| 10:10.39 | *** join/#debian DingoSaar_ (~hagen@pD9E09559.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:10.58 | *** join/#debian dselect (~dselect@unaffiliated/themill/bot/dselect) |
| 10:11.12 | *** join/#debian edoardo (~edoardo@82.215.170.26) |
| 10:11.12 | *** join/#debian edoardo (~edoardo@unaffiliated/edoardo) |
| 10:13.18 | *** join/#debian Rosco2 (~RossGammo@ubuntu/member/rosco2) |
| 10:13.36 | *** join/#debian nikoma (~nikoma@ip4-95-82-164-56.cust.nbox.cz) |
| 10:15.17 | *** join/#debian gebruiker (~gebruiker@77-172-237-233.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 10:15.26 | gebruiker | any tips on fine tuning ext4 for desktop? |
| 10:15.38 | *** part/#debian oo_miguel (~miguel@89-76-235-131.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 10:16.08 | john_s | do I simply blacklist the device I want to override? I mean the kernel module I don't want to be use, and want to be superseded by my own, without actually replacing it on disk. |
| 10:16.08 | *** join/#debian oo_miguel (~miguel@89-76-235-131.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 10:16.29 | *** join/#debian panta (~panta@h081217057026.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) |
| 10:17.23 | *** join/#debian ssaturos (~saturos@host86-149-90-135.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 10:17.49 | *** join/#debian ocbtec (~ocbtec@dslb-088-075-066-222.088.075.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 10:20.31 | *** join/#debian conta (~Thunderbi@2a00:1028:838a:1096:8db8:6468:b977:8a51) |
| 10:21.41 | *** join/#debian OS-24900 (~OS-24900@2405:205:1280:f254:7d8d:fc7d:30dd:459d) |
| 10:22.17 | *** part/#debian OS-24900 (~OS-24900@2405:205:1280:f254:7d8d:fc7d:30dd:459d) |
| 10:23.30 | *** join/#debian cruncher (~cruncher@unaffiliated/cruncher) |
| 10:23.58 | Logg | yeah john_s |
| 10:24.53 | *** join/#debian BlueByte (~walther@grimbart.blackx.net) |
| 10:26.42 | john_s | thanks Logg, should it simply go to /etc/modprobe.d/file? There is also stuff in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias but these are hashed and I don't know how to regen that yet. |
| 10:26.48 | *** join/#debian conformist (~conformis@230-58-94-178.pool.ukrtel.net) |
| 10:27.35 | *** join/#debian doflamingo (~doflaming@112.215.173.164) |
| 10:29.12 | Logg | yeah that's where I have mine and it works |
| 10:29.23 | *** join/#debian Starky (~Starky@unaffiliated/starky) |
| 10:30.50 | *** join/#debian my123_ (~my123@13.85.69.239) |
| 10:31.14 | *** join/#debian hexnewbie (~hexnewbie@91.234.93.181) |
| 10:31.42 | *** join/#debian Akuli (~Akuli@mobile-access-bceef8-20.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 10:31.46 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 10:32.11 | *** part/#debian luke-jr (~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr) |
| 10:32.35 | john_s | I'm just wondering how and if I can put the alias information in the kernel tree itself (/lib/modules tree). Does depmod actually regen that?... |
| 10:34.29 | *** join/#debian Y04NN_ (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:85b:fa93:655d:f2db) |
| 10:34.37 | john_s | what do you know, it does. The man page doesn't mention it. |
| 10:34.44 | john_s | Doesn't mention that. |
| 10:35.28 | *** join/#debian nikolov_ (~one@77-85-43-237.ip.btc-net.bg) |
| 10:35.56 | *** join/#debian jesopo (jess@lolnerd.net) |
| 10:36.02 | *** join/#debian Dreaman (~one@77-85-43-237.ip.btc-net.bg) |
| 10:36.13 | *** join/#debian Dreaman (~one@unaffiliated/dreaman) |
| 10:36.34 | *** join/#debian my123_ (~my123@unaffiliated/kill--9-1/x-8776976) |
| 10:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1591] by debhelper |
| 10:38.36 | vvuja | anyone familiar with pre-Internet usage of computers via BBS |
| 10:38.44 | vvuja | I would like to try something |
| 10:39.06 | *** join/#debian canopus (~canopus@unaffiliated/pierrot) |
| 10:40.39 | *** join/#debian gtrotcko (~Thunderbi@bzq-82-81-213-77.cablep.bezeqint.net) |
| 10:40.42 | Logg | there's some BBS servers you can still connect to out there |
| 10:40.51 | vvuja | no I have BBS server |
| 10:40.58 | vvuja | I need someone with putty |
| 10:41.04 | vvuja | to try telnetting in |
| 10:41.23 | Logg | okay, I have telnet. |
| 10:41.33 | vvuja | make it use Control-H as backspace |
| 10:41.40 | vvuja | telnet wolf.adminmaster.org 7000 |
| 10:42.13 | *** join/#debian judge_pepe (~marian@kou-209-117.pks.muni.cz) |
| 10:42.36 | vvuja | create your account (hope the backspace works) |
| 10:42.42 | vvuja | and type in /n |
| 10:42.47 | vvuja | to go to node chat |
| 10:42.57 | Logg | yup, ctrl-h to backspace works. |
| 10:43.37 | *** join/#debian nog3_ (~tud3@arsenigladkov.plus.com) |
| 10:43.38 | *** join/#debian browsel (~monako@86.99.141.210) |
| 10:43.50 | browsel | how can i enter network log on terminal |
| 10:44.42 | vvuja | thanks logg |
| 10:44.46 | Logg | that was fun lol. |
| 10:44.57 | vvuja | well it is a public system |
| 10:45.03 | vvuja | called Wolf's Lair |
| 10:45.15 | vvuja | I just need to setup conferences |
| 10:45.23 | vvuja | and file areas |
| 10:45.32 | vvuja | but that is stupid since we have broadband internet today |
| 10:45.38 | vvuja | but it can be fun over mobile |
| 10:45.41 | browsel | logg , do you have idea? |
| 10:45.41 | vvuja | :) |
| 10:46.12 | *** join/#debian my123 (~my123@13.85.69.239) |
| 10:46.12 | *** join/#debian my123 (~my123@unaffiliated/kill--9-1/x-8776976) |
| 10:47.02 | *** join/#debian anuxivm (~anuxi@92.185.154.236) |
| 10:47.17 | *** join/#debian MoonkYang (~moonkyang@de.bbido.com.yang.red) |
| 10:47.27 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 10:47.30 | john_s | browsel: what is a log? |
| 10:47.43 | john_s | browsel: older iptraf is nice tool but doesn't work with newer network names. |
| 10:47.57 | Logg | browsel: not really. I don't know what network log you want. |
| 10:48.12 | browsel | like .bash_history |
| 10:48.39 | john_s | a base system does not keep network logs. |
| 10:48.43 | browsel | btw if i want to find all .bash_history located , how? |
| 10:48.47 | *** join/#debian hydr0poniX (~hydr0poni@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/hydr0ponix) |
| 10:48.59 | *** join/#debian creation (~creation@79-118-243-173.pitesti.rdsnet.ro) |
| 10:49.01 | john_s | type "history" |
| 10:49.10 | vvuja | find /home -name '*bash_history*' |
| 10:49.24 | vvuja | this ? |
| 10:49.27 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.14.89) |
| 10:49.29 | Akuli | locate .bash_history |
| 10:49.36 | vvuja | ^ this is better |
| 10:49.47 | *** join/#debian Gi0 (~Gi0@unaffiliated/gi0) |
| 10:50.03 | Akuli | it does search the whole system, but it's still fast because it just keeps a list of all files on the system |
| 10:50.11 | vvuja | as root |
| 10:50.16 | Akuli | sometimes the list needs to be updated with sudo updatedb |
| 10:50.21 | vvuja | find /home -name '*bash_history*' |
| 10:50.28 | vvuja | and you have one in /root |
| 10:50.36 | vvuja | those are all called .bash_history |
| 10:50.41 | vvuja | in each home directory of user |
| 10:50.48 | vvuja | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.52 | vvuja | others are in /home |
| 10:50.53 | vvuja | there you go |
| 10:51.01 | browsel | but there is alot of bash and there is alot of dir |
| 10:51.10 | vvuja | browsel |
| 10:51.15 | browsel | i want to know all bash locations |
| 10:51.18 | browsel | not only homes |
| 10:51.33 | vvuja | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.33 | *** join/#debian RebelCoderW (~Yuriy@cpc74579-lewi13-2-0-cust201.2-4.cable.virginm.net) |
| 10:51.37 | vvuja | there is no other |
| 10:51.41 | john_s | there is only one history file per user |
| 10:51.47 | vvuja | browsel, |
| 10:51.48 | vvuja | su - |
| 10:51.50 | vvuja | password |
| 10:51.57 | vvuja | cat /root/.bash_history |
| 10:52.03 | vvuja | for root's history of commands |
| 10:52.05 | *** join/#debian stuartcnz_ (~quassel@182.54.174.64) |
| 10:52.13 | vvuja | find /home -name '*bash_history*' |
| 10:52.22 | vvuja | and then look through out each user's history of commands |
| 10:52.22 | john_s | but by default it does not update the file until you close the shell :/. |
| 10:52.23 | vvuja | simple |
| 10:52.32 | vvuja | yes |
| 10:52.34 | browsel | su - does not working |
| 10:52.53 | vvuja | do you have root on that machine |
| 10:53.04 | vvuja | # or $ prompt |
| 10:53.06 | vvuja | which one |
| 10:53.12 | browsel | # |
| 10:53.17 | vvuja | then you have root |
| 10:53.19 | vvuja | cd /root |
| 10:53.24 | vvuja | ls -l .bash_history |
| 10:53.28 | *** join/#debian TsukiRa (~fpob@79-170-251-152.cust.avonet.cz) |
| 10:53.37 | vvuja | find /home -name '*bash_history*' |
| 10:53.44 | vvuja | and you will find user's histories |
| 10:53.50 | vvuja | those are text files |
| 10:53.58 | browsel | hexdump su what does that mean |
| 10:54.09 | vvuja | now that is another question |
| 10:54.18 | *** join/#debian anton02 (~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net) |
| 10:54.19 | vvuja | what exactly do you want? |
| 10:54.29 | vvuja | list of commands of some user |
| 10:54.32 | vvuja | network log |
| 10:54.37 | vvuja | you are not clear with your questions |
| 10:54.49 | browsel | im trying to find what i want by my self |
| 10:54.57 | vvuja | ok then find it |
| 10:54.59 | browsel | i just asking qustions to know |
| 10:55.04 | vvuja | I have something else to do |
| 10:55.07 | vvuja | later |
| 10:55.21 | browsel | what does hexdump su mean? |
| 10:56.20 | browsel | vvuja can i pm you? |
| 10:56.33 | vvuja | busy atm |
| 10:56.36 | vvuja | sorry |
| 10:56.58 | browsel | np |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian Cassiopaya (~Discovery@109.235.52.3) |
| 10:57.42 | *** join/#debian NServer (ec@115.135.251.141) |
| 10:58.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1602] by debhelper |
| 11:00.18 | *** join/#debian IlNominePatre (~Discovery@109.235.52.3) |
| 11:00.24 | *** join/#debian NServer (ec@115.135.251.141) |
| 11:01.43 | *** join/#debian fax (~fax@91-159-153-77.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 11:02.46 | *** join/#debian schu-r (~Thunderbi@82-149-107-2.wco.wellcom.at) |
| 11:03.58 | *** join/#debian creation (~creation@unaffiliated/creatura85) |
| 11:04.06 | *** join/#debian dArK_IcE (~DARKICEPT@a95-92-107-215.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 11:05.34 | *** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 11:05.58 | *** join/#debian SCHAAP137 (~SCHAAP137@unaffiliated/schaap137) |
| 11:12.21 | *** join/#debian towo` (~towo@unaffiliated/towo/x-4064351) |
| 11:12.33 | *** join/#debian LNJ2GO (~lnj@x55b2d187.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 11:12.55 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@nayon.fr) |
| 11:13.35 | *** join/#debian LNJ2GO1 (~lnj@x55b2d187.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 11:17.07 | *** join/#debian ebarch (sid17287@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tjenlenocnoiljve) |
| 11:18.14 | *** join/#debian frozengeek (~frozengee@213.219.166.36.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) |
| 11:21.55 | *** join/#debian anton02_ (~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net) |
| 11:22.15 | *** join/#debian styler2go (~styler2go@v22015051823525655.yourvserver.net) |
| 11:22.21 | saboru | burp |
| 11:22.29 | saboru | sorry bout that |
| 11:22.50 | *** join/#debian crameth (~crameth@bb42-60-104-101.singnet.com.sg) |
| 11:22.57 | *** join/#debian Starky (~Starky@unaffiliated/starky) |
| 11:23.33 | *** join/#debian teraflops (~teraflops@mysticemporium.xyz) |
| 11:24.35 | *** join/#debian valeriusL (~valerius@85.26.180.193) |
| 11:25.58 | *** join/#debian Geoff_C (~user@62.102.148.187) |
| 11:26.46 | *** join/#debian freakyy (~uwe@2a01:4f8:110:12a1::2) |
| 11:27.20 | *** join/#debian Y04NN_ (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:e097:2b7b:81b3:389c) |
| 11:27.25 | *** join/#debian MolluskEmpire (47e5f602@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.229.246.2) |
| 11:27.42 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.14.89) |
| 11:31.54 | *** join/#debian Wizek_ (~Wizek@catv-89-132-132-110.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 11:32.21 | *** join/#debian xet7 (~xet7@84-230-45-11.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 11:36.58 | *** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@197.237.131.125) |
| 11:37.46 | *** join/#debian pencilandpaper (~penciland@unaffiliated/pencilandpaper) |
| 11:39.38 | *** join/#debian silverhom (~silverhom@c83-252-238-248.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 11:42.52 | freakyy | hi all. my debian 8.6 server doesnt seemt o recognize some package changes in an owncloud.list. http://paste.ubuntu.com/23292935/ <-- heres the apt-cahce policy but 9.1.1 exists in their mirror is what they say in #owncloud. any idea why it doesnt catch the update? |
| 11:43.23 | *** join/#debian ssaturos (~saturos@host86-149-90-135.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:43.25 | freakyy | in the owncloud.list theres: deb http://download.owncloud.org/download/repositories/stable/Debian_8.0/ / |
| 11:43.44 | *** join/#debian relaxed (~relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) |
| 11:44.31 | freakyy | it says: W: Failed to fetch http://download.owncloud.org/download/repositories/stable/Debian_8.0/Release |
| 11:44.35 | freakyy | when doing apt-get uipdate |
| 11:44.36 | *** join/#debian jback (~jasper@shell-eun.jhq.io) |
| 11:46.29 | *** join/#debian Anonymes (uid168604@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rvqrjoeogpoteqpe) |
| 11:46.55 | TomTomTosch | repeatedly? |
| 11:47.10 | freakyy | yes |
| 11:47.12 | *** join/#debian hassonofer (~hassonofe@46-117-108-189.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 11:47.58 | freakyy | oh wait theres also W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://download.owncloud.org Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 47AE7F72479BC94B |
| 11:48.05 | freakyy | wait ill try to import key |
| 11:49.25 | freakyy | now i got it working thanks |
| 11:50.15 | *** join/#debian joeel84 (~joseph@98.215.59.228) |
| 11:50.47 | *** join/#debian ToBeCloud (uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree) |
| 11:50.53 | teraflops | that's why sharing the exact unparaphrased error is always helpful |
| 11:51.33 | *** join/#debian bolt (r00t@unaffiliated/bolt) |
| 11:52.26 | *** join/#debian wobelingers (~wobelinge@p54B18C05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:52.29 | *** join/#debian wobeling1rs (~wobelinge@p54B18C05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:54.14 | *** join/#debian gebruiker (~gebruiker@77-172-237-233.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 11:54.24 | gebruiker | is there a debian sid installer? |
| 11:55.32 | *** join/#debian syn43 (~syn43@dslb-178-009-057-007.178.009.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 11:57.22 | *** join/#debian afx_ (~afx_@adsl-97.37.6.247.tellas.gr) |
| 11:57.43 | *** join/#debian ssaturos (~saturos@host86-149-90-135.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:57.50 | *** join/#debian tvm (~tvm@router-sever2-nat-e.pilsfree.net) |
| 11:58.20 | *** join/#debian afx_ (~afx_@adsl-97.37.6.247.tellas.gr) |
| 11:58.52 | oo_miguel | I am playing with unprivileged lxc containers but I have troubles running a jessie container on jessie. Anyone managed to accomplish this? a wheezy container works fine. I use the "download" template when creating a new container |
| 12:00.09 | *** join/#debian init7 (5416296a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.22.41.106) |
| 12:00.56 | init7 | Hi could please help me how to fix How to fix /lib/ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 12:00.56 | init7 | Could someone please help me how to fix /lib/ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF |
| 12:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1596] by debhelper |
| 12:08.03 | *** join/#debian baraba (~baraba@unaffiliated/baraba) |
| 12:09.07 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 12:09.48 | *** join/#debian Anonymes (uid168604@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vgpwobadrjyyzevx) |
| 12:11.00 | *** join/#debian aldo (~lennycz@85.163.21.180) |
| 12:12.26 | *** join/#debian dexta (~D3XTA@host86-184-164-84.range86-184.btcentralplus.com) |
| 12:12.30 | john_s | init7: install 32 bit library |
| 12:13.03 | john_s | apt install libc6-i386 |
| 12:13.37 | *** join/#debian ssaturos (~saturos@host86-149-90-135.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 12:13.51 | *** join/#debian RQ (~Thunderbi@cl-78-158-21-235.fastlink.lt) |
| 12:13.54 | john_s | oo_miguel: is it related only to unprivileged? |
| 12:14.05 | *** join/#debian joeel84 (~joseph@98.215.59.228) |
| 12:14.39 | RQ | hi, I have a question: how come sleep lines are ignored in init.d scripts, at least when run from command line? |
| 12:14.43 | *** join/#debian l0xas (~unix@unaffiliated/l0xas) |
| 12:14.47 | john_s | oo_miguel: and what is your error? fails to download packages? |
| 12:14.50 | oo_miguel | john_s: hmm I did not test it |
| 12:15.06 | oo_miguel | john_s: Failed to mount cgroup at /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd: Operation not permitted |
| 12:15.17 | oo_miguel | john_s: but I did only test it via unprivileged |
| 12:16.02 | john_s | oo_miguel: yeah that seems like a privilege error... |
| 12:16.19 | john_s | RQ: they are being redirected to systemd, that might have an effect. |
| 12:16.52 | RQ | john_s: you mean the actual init.d script is not being run? |
| 12:16.54 | john_s | oo_miguel: I have no experience with unprivileged, but you are getting this while starting the container right. |
| 12:17.04 | oo_miguel | john_s: I found a post that states its due to limitations of the systemd version on jessie |
| 12:17.07 | john_s | RQ: it might, let me find the way to prevent it. |
| 12:17.11 | john_s | ok |
| 12:17.36 | *** join/#debian stargazer (~stargazer@2a02:c7d:5da6:e900:4a5a:b6ff:fe8b:c313) |
| 12:17.40 | oo_miguel | john_s: maybe I should try getting a newer systemd... |
| 12:18.24 | john_s | RQ: try to do this first: export _SYSTEMCTL_SKIP_REDIRECT=1 |
| 12:18.48 | RQ | john_s: hm, how does systemd restart a daemon for example? cuz the issue I'm facing is that a daemon fails to restart because it hasn't fully stopped yet |
| 12:19.09 | *** join/#debian navlys (~smuxi@87-231-23-206.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 12:19.23 | john_s | oo_miguel: that's difficult :p. |
| 12:19.33 | john_s | oo_miguel: but maybe you can get one from stretch repo? |
| 12:20.06 | oo_miguel | john_s: I will give it a try, thanks |
| 12:20.24 | *** join/#debian joeel85 (~joseph@98.215.59.228) |
| 12:20.30 | john_s | RQ: not sure normally systemd tries to keep a daemon PID around to kill it by force if it needs to.... but in general it will simply run the ExecStop action.?. |
| 12:20.54 | *** join/#debian joeel85 (~joseph@98.215.59.228) |
| 12:21.21 | RQ | john_s: so I guess it uses the variables supplied at the top of init.d script? |
| 12:22.18 | john_s | RQ: if the program is not supplied with a systemd service of its own, systemd will create a wrapper service for it that just uses the init.d script, but if you run it manually it may be prevented from running if you run the script directly, so you would have to use the systemd actions for it. |
| 12:22.22 | *** join/#debian NoCode (~NoCode@unaffiliated/nocode) |
| 12:22.45 | john_s | RQ: some of those variables are used, yes, but ... barely. |
| 12:23.04 | john_s | I mean, it may use some but not others. |
| 12:23.09 | *** join/#debian lemerovingien (~lemerovin@ALamentin-651-1-155-225.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 12:23.11 | RQ | john_s: and where are the systemd services located? because I think the package supplies one, but dpkg -L doesn't show anything of interest |
| 12:23.25 | vvuja | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.53 | vvuja | then find the target |
| 12:23.59 | *** join/#debian b (~coffee@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 12:24.01 | vvuja | system or user target |
| 12:24.08 | vvuja | for service |
| 12:24.29 | vvuja | basically those are symlinks to real locations |
| 12:24.45 | vvuja | if you delete symlink it is the same as systemctl remove service.init |
| 12:24.49 | john_s | if it does not show anything then check /run/systemd/generator.late/ |
| 12:24.58 | vvuja | yes |
| 12:25.16 | RQ | aha! it's there |
| 12:25.35 | vvuja | john_s, glad to be of assistance |
| 12:25.36 | teraflops | RQ: did you say which sysvnit script is giving you problems? a custom one? |
| 12:26.01 | RQ | teraflops: hiawatha web server, it's not shipped by Debian |
| 12:26.46 | RQ | during restart, it fails to bind to 0.0.0.0:80, that's the issue |
| 12:26.56 | teraflops | ,v hiawatha |
| 12:26.57 | judd | No package named 'hiawatha' was found in amd64. |
| 12:26.59 | vvuja | RQ |
| 12:27.02 | vvuja | wait |
| 12:27.05 | *** join/#debian cyborg-one (~cyborg-on@176-119-68-153.broadband.tenet.odessa.ua) |
| 12:27.06 | *** join/#debian OS-24440 (~OS-24440@46-117-107-171.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 12:27.09 | vvuja | netstat -anlp | grep 80 |
| 12:27.19 | vvuja | find first which program binded to port 80 |
| 12:27.21 | RQ | vvuja: O |
| 12:27.25 | vvuja | if it is apache2 |
| 12:27.31 | vvuja | systemctl stop apache2 |
| 12:27.42 | vvuja | systemctl remove apache2 |
| 12:27.44 | RQ | vvuja: I'm pretty sure it would be hiawatha itself, because approximately every second restart succeds |
| 12:27.47 | RQ | *succeeds |
| 12:27.48 | OS-24440 | can some one here help me with payday box? |
| 12:27.50 | *** join/#debian MoonkYang (~moonkyang@de.bbido.com.yang.red) |
| 12:27.56 | vvuja | something then binded on 80 |
| 12:27.56 | OS-24440 | im stuck |
| 12:28.02 | vvuja | and it tries again |
| 12:28.07 | vvuja | check first what binded on port 80 |
| 12:28.08 | RQ | vvuja: it's hiawatha itself, that's the issue |
| 12:28.15 | vvuja | ok ok |
| 12:28.30 | *** join/#debian Guest12905 (~loungeuse@pdpc/supporter/professional/texta) |
| 12:28.30 | RQ | apache and nginx init.d scripts have a "sleep 1" line in their do_stop function |
| 12:28.40 | teraflops | vvuja: maybe blindly suggesting to remove apache2 is not a good idea |
| 12:28.42 | RQ | hiawatha's doesn't, that's why I think this is the actual issue |
| 12:28.52 | OS-24440 | can someone help? |
| 12:29.08 | vvuja | teraflops, yes but if he wants different anything on port 80 then apache2 must be off |
| 12:29.20 | vvuja | RQ check netstat -anlp | grep 80 |
| 12:29.27 | vvuja | RQ check netstat -anlp | grep ":80" |
| 12:29.31 | teraflops | vvuja: how did yo inferred it? |
| 12:29.33 | vvuja | can you give me output |
| 12:29.45 | RQ | vvuja: I would have to do that during the service restart :) |
| 12:29.54 | vvuja | nope do it now |
| 12:29.54 | john_s | RQ: have you run the command? |
| 12:30.06 | RQ | john_s: netstat? |
| 12:30.10 | vvuja | yes |
| 12:30.18 | john_s | RQ: export _SYSTEMCTL_SKIP_REDIRECT=1 |
| 12:30.28 | OS-24440 | can anyone help with 10.11.1.24 ? |
| 12:30.36 | OS-24440 | please... |
| 12:30.39 | john_s | RQ: would ostensibly allow you to run the script manually |
| 12:30.50 | RQ | john_s: I ran the init.d script with this variable in effect, it seems to help, thanks :) |
| 12:30.54 | *** join/#debian Rafi1 (~Thunderbi@2a02:a03f:dd:6500:7597:a5ff:22c0:bf23) |
| 12:30.57 | OS-24440 | ??????? |
| 12:31.08 | vvuja | RQ no more bind issues |
| 12:31.11 | vvuja | ? |
| 12:31.24 | john_s | RQ: so it should work for putting sleep in there, is all I'm saying. |
| 12:31.30 | OS-24440 | can anyone help with 10.11.1.24 ? |
| 12:31.41 | *** join/#debian m-H7 (~mathias@dyn-50-3.mobile.unibas.ch) |
| 12:31.43 | RQ | vvuja: actually, there are still some |
| 12:31.48 | john_s | RQ: but systemd cannot kill the main process because it is forked and it does not know the PID |
| 12:31.50 | RQ | I guess I'll have to increase the sleep interval |
| 12:31.53 | *** join/#debian Gnomethrower (~B@unaffiliated/gnomethrower) |
| 12:32.01 | vvuja | ok give me output of netstat -anlp | grep ":80" |
| 12:32.06 | vvuja | it is one line |
| 12:32.13 | teraflops | RQ: grab a systemd unit file or write one |
| 12:32.20 | cast | whenever you see a sleep fixed_time in a script, you know unreliability is near |
| 12:32.27 | *** join/#debian YS (~Yaroslav@176.194.252.149) |
| 12:32.29 | RQ | john_s: I'm just gonna add a sleep line to stop() as well :) |
| 12:32.33 | teraflops | also, is that hiawatha thing i debian? |
| 12:32.35 | RQ | and maybe turn sleep 1 into sleep 2 or so |
| 12:32.36 | teraflops | in* |
| 12:32.55 | RQ | teraflops: like I said, it's not an official package from Debian |
| 12:32.58 | teraflops | lolsleep |
| 12:33.00 | vvuja | ok give me output of netstat -anlp | grep ":80" |
| 12:33.05 | teraflops | RQ: sounds awful |
| 12:33.07 | vvuja | if you want me to debug more |
| 12:33.12 | john_s | RQ: if you stop it and it exits normally? and you have no issues manually starting it? |
| 12:33.43 | RQ | teraflops: that's what's in init.d files for apache and nginx. I guess they just tend not to clean up and exit instantly |
| 12:34.05 | vvuja | ok seems my help is not appriciated |
| 12:34.06 | vvuja | thanks |
| 12:34.08 | vvuja | see you |
| 12:34.14 | *** join/#debian pavlushka (~Pavel@ubuntu/member/pavlushka) |
| 12:34.24 | teraflops | RQ: at least those *official* sysvinit scripts work |
| 12:34.44 | teraflops | vvuja: yeah you better bail o that one |
| 12:34.53 | teraflops | on* |
| 12:34.59 | RQ | john_s: I think it does. |
| 12:35.05 | vvuja | he have a problem that something is already binded on port 80 |
| 12:35.09 | vvuja | and it can not be binded again |
| 12:35.21 | RQ | vvuja: do you expect me to issue the restart, then wait for it to fail, then issue the command for you? |
| 12:35.21 | vvuja | so all I was asking is to see what holds port 80 |
| 12:35.23 | john_s | RQ: so you only have it on restart? and not on stop ..... start? |
| 12:35.28 | vvuja | nope |
| 12:35.33 | vvuja | you just do this |
| 12:35.41 | vvuja | netstat -anlp | grep ":80" |
| 12:35.43 | RQ | vvuja: gosh, ok. |
| 12:35.44 | vvuja | and give me the output |
| 12:35.58 | vvuja | don't restart anything |
| 12:36.08 | RQ | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 7793/hiawatha |
| 12:36.21 | vvuja | so your web server is already listening on port 80 |
| 12:36.23 | john_s | he already knew that. |
| 12:36.26 | vvuja | ok |
| 12:36.32 | vvuja | telnet localhost 80 |
| 12:36.34 | RQ | shrugs |
| 12:36.34 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@nayon.fr) |
| 12:36.46 | vvuja | yes that is why asked this |
| 12:36.48 | vvuja | telnet localhost 80 |
| 12:36.52 | RQ | and? |
| 12:36.55 | john_s | vvuja: he already knows his webserver did not exit cleanly and was still running. |
| 12:37.04 | vvuja | you will get connected |
| 12:37.09 | vvuja | GET / HTTP/1.1 |
| 12:37.12 | vvuja | and press enter |
| 12:37.16 | RQ | yes, I am connected, then it times out in a second or so |
| 12:37.16 | vvuja | if your web server responds |
| 12:37.27 | RQ | with a request timeout message |
| 12:37.28 | *** join/#debian papitfx (~hafiz@power.betul.mypapit.net) |
| 12:37.40 | *** join/#debian dayten (~gnoid@79.122.187.86) |
| 12:37.41 | vvuja | wrongly configured maybe |
| 12:37.50 | *** join/#debian Shaiz (~OS-24440@46-117-107-171.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 12:37.55 | vvuja | on GET / HTTP/1.1 |
| 12:37.58 | *** join/#debian mypapit (~fakap@power.betul.mypapit.net) |
| 12:38.00 | vvuja | it should respond with server signature |
| 12:38.05 | Shaiz | can someone help me? |
| 12:38.08 | vvuja | which means your webserver is working |
| 12:38.12 | vvuja | if it times out |
| 12:38.18 | john_s | RQ, do you also get the issue when you manually stop first? |
| 12:38.24 | vvuja | then it is wrong configuration of that hiawatha |
| 12:38.31 | vvuja | that is all I'm saying |
| 12:38.31 | RQ | vvuja: wow you're persistant... the server works fine, just the restart doesn't |
| 12:38.50 | RQ | john_s: I've edited the init script, and the problem is now gone |
| 12:38.56 | john_s | thanks. |
| 12:38.59 | vvuja | great problem is solved |
| 12:39.03 | vvuja | persistant or not |
| 12:39.06 | vvuja | :) |
| 12:39.09 | vvuja | enjoy |
| 12:39.17 | RQ | john_s: two seconds of sleep seem to give it enough time to wrap up |
| 12:39.26 | vvuja | you can always restart the service by killing the PID |
| 12:39.27 | john_s | yes but not really thanks to your netstat lines vvuja... |
| 12:39.39 | vvuja | tried to help |
| 12:39.42 | vvuja | excuse me |
| 12:39.43 | john_s | RQ: right. |
| 12:40.46 | RQ | vvuja: yeah, the thing is, the other guy who actually wanted Hiawatha in the first place, uses Webmin almost exclusively, and he tends not to know very well how things work, so he thought hiawatha was failing with a wrong message due to a bad config, while in reality, the reason was this |
| 12:41.19 | vvuja | ok glad that it is fixed |
| 12:41.26 | vvuja | with or without my help or thanks |
| 12:41.27 | RQ | thanks to everyone, and john_s especially. restarting the webserver now succeeds consistently, that's all I needed |
| 12:41.34 | *** join/#debian hexadecimal (~hexadecim@unaffiliated/hexadecimal) |
| 12:41.35 | vvuja | that is the idea |
| 12:41.39 | vvuja | fixing the problem |
| 12:41.43 | vvuja | not who is the winner |
| 12:41.45 | RQ | yep :) |
| 12:41.46 | vvuja | john_s, ;) |
| 12:41.47 | *** join/#debian micronn (~micronn@2a03:b0c0:3:d0::3c:d001) |
| 12:41.52 | john_s | then don't try to compete man... |
| 12:41.56 | john_s | jezus. |
| 12:42.00 | vvuja | ok :) |
| 12:42.02 | hexadecimal | hello o/ |
| 12:42.07 | vvuja | gave my 5 dollars of help |
| 12:42.16 | RQ | :D |
| 12:42.25 | *** join/#debian amcorreia (~amcorreia@2804:7f5:280:842f::1) |
| 12:42.39 | vvuja | john_s, ok sorry if I was offending |
| 12:43.32 | john_s | he just already knew the issue, didn't need troubleshooting in that area or regard, that's all. It was not necessary, he already knew it. That's all I was saying. That's all... |
| 12:43.45 | vvuja | ok :) |
| 12:43.53 | *** join/#debian GandalfTheWizar1 (~Emma@112.10.170.7) |
| 12:43.56 | vvuja | I will drink one coffee then |
| 12:44.24 | vvuja | cheers mate |
| 12:44.32 | john_s | :) have a good one ;-). |
| 12:45.11 | *** join/#debian deemel (~deemel@179.43.133.114) |
| 12:45.23 | *** join/#debian RebelCoderW (~Yuriy@cpc74579-lewi13-2-0-cust201.2-4.cable.virginm.net) |
| 12:45.38 | jim | I heard that you guys scheduled a freeze of testing for sometime next year... does that indicate anything about whether testing is thought to be done? |
| 12:45.55 | john_s | RQ: just saying that systemd will generate a file for the service and put it in /run/systemd/generator.late, that's all I was saying. You could see what it was doing there, and those are the commands actually run by systemd, thanks. |
| 12:46.41 | RQ | john_s: yes, I found that file, and that file says that during a restart systemd executes init.d stop and init.d start instead of init.d restart |
| 12:47.06 | RQ | that's why I had to add sleep 2 to both stop (for systemd) and restart (for non-systemd) |
| 12:47.24 | RQ | is reporting this to package maintainer right now |
| 12:47.59 | *** join/#debian mypapit (~fakap@power.betul.mypapit.net) |
| 12:47.59 | *** join/#debian papitfx (~hafiz@power.betul.mypapit.net) |
| 12:48.02 | john_s | RQ: systemd has no restart action really? But generally init scripts also do not, and they execute stop and start also. |
| 12:48.55 | RQ | john_s: not this one :) |
| 12:49.27 | john_s | RQ: as to your previous question systemd will ignore runlevels and will just run the script as a basic service for multi-user.target |
| 12:49.50 | RQ | john_s: http://paste.debian.net/858199/ |
| 12:49.53 | RQ | systemd file |
| 12:49.56 | *** join/#debian GenTooMan (~cyberman@pool-173-75-2-243.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 12:49.59 | RQ | no restart there |
| 12:50.09 | RQ | so I assume it runs ExecStop and ExecStart |
| 12:50.12 | john_s | I know that, they are all identical. |
| 12:50.17 | john_s | yes |
| 12:50.26 | john_s | alright :). |
| 12:51.11 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@72.168.160.255) |
| 12:52.42 | john_s | I think systemd assumes runlevels 2-5 are identical. |
| 12:53.19 | deemel | hey, I'm having a problem with a package that seems to lose its configuration after rebooting. I wrote it together in a post on unix-linux stackexchange, is it okay if I post the link here? |
| 12:53.21 | *** join/#debian shinnya (~shinnya@245.144.137.133.dy.bbexcite.jp) |
| 12:53.48 | *** join/#debian panta (~panta@h081217057026.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) |
| 12:53.56 | RQ | john_s: and yeah, the restart in init.d file doesn't trigger stop or start, but instead runs commands itself. |
| 12:54.02 | john_s | right. |
| 12:54.18 | RQ | deemel: sure |
| 12:54.27 | john_s | so that's why, maybe it just runs kill -SIGHUP |
| 12:54.39 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 12:54.40 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@nayon.fr) |
| 12:54.41 | RQ | no, it runs start-stop-daemon |
| 12:55.04 | john_s | forgot how that works ;-). |
| 12:55.09 | teraflops | RQ: use a sane systemd unit file |
| 12:55.23 | RQ | teraflops: I'll let the package maintainer supply one |
| 12:55.41 | teraflops | pfff |
| 12:55.45 | vvuja | and kill -9 `pidof <program_name>` |
| 12:55.49 | RQ | but first I'll send him a patch to at least make the current one work |
| 12:55.51 | deemel | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/315125/manually-installed-packages-configuration-gone-after-reboot |
| 12:56.04 | vvuja | systemctl start service |
| 12:56.11 | deemel | hope it isn't too stupid of a question |
| 12:56.21 | vvuja | that would restart it but in non fashioned way |
| 12:56.21 | john_s | RQ: the thing is getting redirected in /lib/lsb/init-functions which are sourced by all init scripts. |
| 12:56.35 | RQ | john_s: I see, thanks |
| 12:56.55 | RQ | deemel: that configuration doesn't reside in /tmp, right? :) |
| 12:57.13 | deemel | RQ I don't know, to be honest |
| 12:57.32 | deemel | how can I check where a packages configuration is ? |
| 12:57.38 | teraflops | RQ: http://ix.io/1uge use as base and make modification (if any) for getting it working |
| 12:58.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1602] by debhelper |
| 12:58.53 | RQ | teraflops: did you just write this one up? |
| 12:59.01 | teraflops | lord no |
| 12:59.09 | teraflops | I just have internet |
| 12:59.12 | john_s | deemel: first run dpkg -L <package name> to see all the files. |
| 12:59.16 | RQ | teraflops: lol :D |
| 12:59.20 | teraflops | ;D |
| 12:59.27 | RQ | fair enough |
| 13:00.48 | teraflops | RQ: then you put in /etc/systemd/system for the unit file not getting eventually overrided and youre good to go |
| 13:01.12 | RQ | teraflops: actually, Hiawatha's author supplies a script, it's just that the packager seems to have forgotten to include it in the package |
| 13:01.22 | *** join/#debian MikeDebian (~ML@a81-84-80-8.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 13:01.28 | deemel | john_s okay, I'm seeing various files in /etc/ and /usr/share |
| 13:01.47 | teraflops | looks saner that using a meh sysvinit file and generating a systemd unit on the fly by clutrefucking sysvinit generator |
| 13:02.09 | teraflops | RQ: low quality package then I guess |
| 13:02.33 | RQ | well by Debian standards, maybe |
| 13:03.02 | teraflops | RQ: since that package is not in debian repos I dont think so |
| 13:03.32 | RQ | teraflops: it supplies it's own copy of mbedtls libs, and bundles at least one executable which I believe could be shipped separately |
| 13:03.56 | RQ | so yeah, not very awesome |
| 13:04.01 | teraflops | heh |
| 13:04.49 | john_s | deemel: strangely there is no module. let me check it. |
| 13:06.27 | *** join/#debian LambdaCalculus37 (~robert@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) |
| 13:07.07 | john_s | deemel: the module is part of the main kernel and it is not blacklisted so it should be getting loaded but it might not get loaded automatically |
| 13:07.11 | *** join/#debian Alex88WH (~alex88wh@2804:7f3:8988:94c2:ccc:a139:2ad0:a928) |
| 13:07.45 | john_s | deemel: try to add it to /etc/modules by saying: echo "psmouse" >> /etc/modules as root, or echo "psmouse" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules as user. |
| 13:08.02 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@72.168.160.255) |
| 13:08.08 | *** join/#debian hillbilly (hamburgerz@pcyard.co.uk) |
| 13:08.10 | john_s | deemel: meanwhile, just try modprobe psmouse before you reboot. |
| 13:09.11 | *** join/#debian Scourje (uid63311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xzyozeldtsozuyiy) |
| 13:09.15 | *** join/#debian NiLon (nilon@unaffiliated/nilon) |
| 13:10.40 | *** join/#debian rania (~rania@175.111.91.51) |
| 13:10.43 | *** join/#debian stoned (~stoned@howstoned.ru) |
| 13:10.45 | *** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@197.237.131.125) |
| 13:10.54 | *** join/#debian jemadux (~jemadux@unaffiliated/jemadux) |
| 13:11.04 | *** join/#debian wobelingers (~wobelinge@p54B18C05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:11.28 | *** join/#debian Zvmdyv (~Zvmdyv@unaffiliated/zvmdyv) |
| 13:11.36 | *** join/#debian NoteOn (~noteon@s174004.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 13:11.42 | *** join/#debian julius_ (~jason4@dslb-178-003-128-062.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 13:12.56 | deemel | john_s did 'echo "psmouse" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules as user' now |
| 13:12.59 | *** join/#debian mo1991reg (~mo1991@c-71-194-85-32.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 13:13.11 | john_s | noo |
| 13:13.12 | deemel | not sure what you mean by modprobe psmouse before I reboot |
| 13:13.14 | *** join/#debian l3archos (~Icedove@unaffiliated/l3archos) |
| 13:13.25 | john_s | as user meant not running it as root |
| 13:13.34 | john_s | it's not part of the command line :p. |
| 13:13.48 | john_s | now you have just created 2 extra files "as" and "user" ;-). |
| 13:13.54 | deemel | I know |
| 13:14.00 | john_s | modprobe psmouse will load the module. |
| 13:14.00 | deemel | just copied it like this from chat |
| 13:14.05 | john_s | ok |
| 13:14.17 | *** join/#debian tvm (~tvm@router-sever2-nat-e.pilsfree.net) |
| 13:14.33 | *** join/#debian enseneo (~madneap@c-73-114-242-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 13:14.38 | john_s | after the module is loaded it should work. |
| 13:14.46 | *** join/#debian chaky|work (~ncakelic@unaffiliated/chaky) |
| 13:14.54 | john_s | /etc/modules will cause it to be loaded at boot time. |
| 13:15.18 | john_s | the package did run modprobe after installation but did not install it to /etc/modules or something similar. |
| 13:15.36 | john_s | that's why it worked after installing the package. |
| 13:15.57 | deemel | okay, I'll quickly try if it works now |
| 13:16.42 | *** join/#debian SirLagz (~SirLagz@ppp174-176.static.internode.on.net) |
| 13:16.55 | john_s | if you want to see for yourself.... go to the directory where you have the package. Then execute dpkg-deb -e <package name> .; cd DEBIAN; cat postinst |
| 13:16.59 | *** join/#debian mohammad-ghasemi (~mohammad@151.235.16.150) |
| 13:17.01 | *** join/#debian jak2000 (~jak2000@189.231.130.72) |
| 13:18.07 | *** join/#debian deemel (~deemel@179.43.173.82) |
| 13:18.38 | jak2000 | jmcnaught |
| 13:18.40 | *** join/#debian baraba (~baraba@unaffiliated/baraba) |
| 13:18.42 | jak2000 | good morning to all |
| 13:19.02 | baraba | mornin' |
| 13:19.27 | deemel | back |
| 13:19.46 | deemel | psmouse is in /etc/modules now, but that didn't suffice |
| 13:20.04 | deemel | also I found that the modprobe command is not found |
| 13:20.13 | john_s | sudo modprobe |
| 13:21.13 | deemel | ah |
| 13:21.28 | *** join/#debian RTFM[away] (~RTFMaway]@unaffiliated/rtfmaway/x-3892344) |
| 13:21.43 | *** join/#debian satbyy (~Satish@unaffiliated/satbyy) |
| 13:24.13 | john_s | it is a system command and normally not found in the path of a normal user. |
| 13:24.28 | deemel | yeah |
| 13:24.33 | *** join/#debian neys (~Thunderbi@188.174.94.59) |
| 13:24.45 | john_s | which means it is not in your PATH as a regular user which is an environment variable that specifies where to find executable files. |
| 13:25.04 | jim | deemel, the dir where modprobe is, is normally just in root's $PATH |
| 13:25.17 | deemel | so psmouse is in the modules file, so it should be loaded. However that does not do the trick, neither does sudo modprobe psmouse |
| 13:25.57 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 13:26.13 | john_s | you may need to restart your window manager? or desktop-environment, or whatever. |
| 13:26.17 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@72.168.160.255) |
| 13:26.58 | john_s | and I assume you have not yet rebooted? |
| 13:27.04 | deemel | I have |
| 13:27.06 | *** join/#debian ffatman (~ffamousff@2a01:e35:8ad7:6b60:2159:9056:11ae:f8e5) |
| 13:27.20 | john_s | can you type "lsmod | grep psmouse" |
| 13:27.53 | deemel | psmouse 99249 0 |
| 13:27.59 | deemel | that's what's coming out |
| 13:28.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1609] by debhelper |
| 13:28.53 | *** join/#debian juantelez (~juantelez@unaffiliated/juantelez) |
| 13:28.56 | jim | deemel, so it looks like the psmouse driver/module is present |
| 13:29.02 | jim | and insertee |
| 13:29.06 | jim | d |
| 13:30.41 | john_s | there simpy isn't anything else the installation of the package accomplishes. So I am at a loss here. |
| 13:30.44 | *** join/#debian OS-23397 (~OS-23397@103.207.149.157) |
| 13:31.14 | *** join/#debian th0r (~th0r@tx-184-7-56-237.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 13:32.01 | *** join/#debian dka (~dka@42.119.128.42) |
| 13:32.01 | john_s | but I would suggest you logout of your desktop session and then log back in, to see if it changes anything? |
| 13:32.12 | deemel | will do |
| 13:32.20 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 13:32.23 | *** join/#debian bwrosol (~monako@176.205.55.146) |
| 13:32.41 | bwrosol | when i change the passwd its says authentication token manipulation error |
| 13:32.43 | bwrosol | why? |
| 13:33.23 | *** join/#debian deemel (~deemel@p2003007F4F7734979E4E36FFFE9FC97C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:33.40 | deemel | nope, nothing |
| 13:33.57 | *** join/#debian fooctrl (~havoc@a200072.upc-a.chello.nl) |
| 13:34.28 | john_s | I had written this while you were logged out: if you want to see for yourself.... go to the directory where you have the package. Then execute dpkg-deb -e <package name>; cd DEBIAN; cat postinst |
| 13:35.02 | john_s | anyway, the only last thing I can mention is to run sudo depmod; but there really should be no issue now. |
| 13:35.57 | deemel | "Then execute dpkg-deb -e <package name>; cd DEBIAN; cat postinst" Followed this so far |
| 13:36.03 | *** join/#debian AlexPortable (uid7568@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bvpkpdssgisyzmcn) |
| 13:36.46 | *** join/#debian matthiaskrgr (matthiaskr@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-uskkcvdqshamysze) |
| 13:37.02 | deemel | looking at a script that calls 'modprobe -r psmouse >/dev/null 2>&1' and 'modprobe psmouse >/dev/null 2>&1' |
| 13:37.16 | deemel | that's what's in the postinst |
| 13:37.16 | *** join/#debian Alex88WH (~alex88wh@2804:7f3:8988:94c2:ccc:a139:2ad0:a928) |
| 13:37.17 | AlexPortable | is there any web based gui availble for setting up a wifi hotspot? |
| 13:38.06 | *** join/#debian neskau (~Sbyte@adm.sbyte.com.br) |
| 13:38.10 | *** join/#debian navlys (~smuxi@87-231-23-206.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 13:38.29 | *** join/#debian shovel_boss (~shovel_bo@unaffiliated/shovel-boss/x-4881665) |
| 13:38.55 | *** join/#debian kriger_ (~norge@24-183-78-158.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) |
| 13:38.55 | *** join/#debian kriger_ (~norge@unaffiliated/kriger) |
| 13:39.13 | *** join/#debian deemel (~deemel@p2003007F4F7734979E4E36FFFE9FC97C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:39.21 | *** join/#debian SpeccyMan (~nick@94.197.121.29.threembb.co.uk) |
| 13:39.24 | deemel | sorry, killed my touchpad so I had to quickly restart ^^ |
| 13:39.46 | *** join/#debian The_Loko (~The_Loko@250.149.76.188.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 13:40.07 | *** join/#debian thebrush (~Icedove@host170-55-static.2-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:40.10 | john_s | deemel: the first line removes an existing module (unload) and the second line does what you have already done. |
| 13:40.19 | john_s | I can really not be of any further assistence now here. |
| 13:41.12 | deemel | huh, that's odd |
| 13:41.19 | deemel | thank you very much for you support though :) |
| 13:41.45 | *** join/#debian fooctrl (~havoc@a200072.upc-a.chello.nl) |
| 13:41.50 | *** join/#debian xip (~xip@AStrasbourg-653-1-19-193.w86-235.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 13:42.02 | john_s | last thing you can try is modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=bare |
| 13:43.05 | *** join/#debian pencilandpaper (~skribblez@unaffiliated/pencilandpaper) |
| 13:43.10 | *** join/#debian atf (~none@mail.plac.ba) |
| 13:43.19 | deemel | okay, just shortly ran the package install real quick so I can't test it now |
| 13:44.10 | deemel | I'll try it when logging out next time. Would it be a reasonable alternative to run 'sudo dpkg -i Downloads/tp-trackpoint-elantech_0.2-1~trusty_all.deb' startup? |
| 13:44.19 | deemel | I mean, it's ugly, but still |
| 13:44.43 | *** join/#debian dArK_IcE (~DARKICEPT@a95-92-107-215.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 13:45.26 | john_s | you could but I would wonder why this didn't work in the first place. |
| 13:45.35 | *** join/#debian marsjaninzmarsa (~marsjanin@elen.niewiarowski.it) |
| 13:45.54 | deemel | well I'm at a loss, to be honest |
| 13:46.24 | john_s | just echo "dpkg -i /home/<user>/Downloads/tp .... .deb" to /etc/rc.local like before. |
| 13:46.30 | *** join/#debian _sfiguser (~sfigguser@host17-98-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:46.57 | john_s | or copy it with your editor, no need for sudo there. |
| 13:47.21 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 13:47.41 | deemel | ah okay |
| 13:47.54 | *** join/#debian Akuli (~Akuli@mobile-access-bceef8-20.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 13:49.52 | bwrosol | how can i cp file from dir to dir |
| 13:50.03 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@72.168.160.255) |
| 13:50.16 | john_s | you could even put "modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=bare" there. |
| 13:50.39 | john_s | bwrosol: do you mean from the command line. |
| 13:50.53 | *** join/#debian idts (~lxuser@unaffiliated/tdis) |
| 13:51.10 | *** join/#debian murfjr (~douseiais@185.21.216.185) |
| 13:51.35 | *** join/#debian murfjr (~douseiais@185.21.216.185) |
| 13:51.49 | *** join/#debian murfjr (~douseiais@185.21.216.185) |
| 13:51.49 | john_s | anyway, I'm gone, got work to do. See ya. |
| 13:51.59 | deemel | thanks again, john_s |
| 13:52.27 | *** join/#debian rania (~rania@175.111.91.51) |
| 13:52.47 | *** join/#debian baraba (~baraba@unaffiliated/baraba) |
| 13:53.03 | AlexPortable | Failed to create interface mon.wlan0: -95 (Operation not supported) |
| 13:53.03 | AlexPortable | Could not set channel for kernel driver |
| 13:53.05 | deemel | bwrosol : cp <filetocopy> <pathtocopyto> |
| 13:53.07 | *** part/#debian rperier (~quassel@2001:41d0:52:100::44a) |
| 13:53.14 | deemel | if you mean what I think you mean |
| 13:53.30 | deemel | I'll quickly relog |
| 13:53.54 | *** join/#debian th0r (~th0r@tx-184-7-56-237.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 13:54.44 | *** join/#debian deemel (~deemel@p2003007F4F7734979E4E36FFFE9FC97C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:57.30 | *** join/#debian vila (~vila@lec67-4-82-230-53-244.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 13:58.19 | *** join/#debian asal (~z3robatu@pc-233-112-100-190.cm.vtr.net) |
| 13:58.47 | asal | Hi |
| 13:59.50 | teraflops | AlexPortable: set the channel before setting the mon interface up. also I don't remember if you can set a different channel for the monitor one. and use root |
| 14:00.00 | *** join/#debian frozengeek (~frozengee@213.219.166.36.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) |
| 14:00.04 | AlexPortable | i use root |
| 14:00.07 | AlexPortable | what do you mean set the channel? |
| 14:00.16 | AlexPortable | im following this tutorial https://frillip.com/using-your-raspberry-pi-3-as-a-wifi-access-point-with-hostapd/ |
| 14:00.26 | asal | I'm trying to install debian in my new laptop but the netinst not detect the wifi |
| 14:00.37 | asal | can help me please? |
| 14:00.39 | teraflops | AlexPortable: what do you mean by channel? |
| 14:00.49 | *** join/#debian MrNeon (~MrNeon@a109-48-102-44.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 14:00.50 | AlexPortable | "set the channel before setting the mon interface up" |
| 14:00.53 | *** join/#debian nhhc (~nhhc@AMarseille-158-1-176-132.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:00.56 | AlexPortable | isnt that what i did in the config file? |
| 14:01.04 | *** join/#debian ullf09721 (~root@29.red-83-57-181.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:01.30 | mtn | asal: use an iso with firmware included: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware |
| 14:01.56 | teraflops | AlexPortable: config file? |
| 14:02.04 | AlexPortable | teraflops: yes see the link |
| 14:02.11 | AlexPortable | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.26 | teraflops | AlexPortable: are you running debian? |
| 14:02.28 | *** join/#debian MattE (~matt@64.137.218.4) |
| 14:02.30 | AlexPortable | yes |
| 14:02.31 | *** join/#debian Alex88WH (~alex88wh@2804:7f3:8988:94c2:ccc:a139:2ad0:a928) |
| 14:02.48 | teraflops | AlexPortable: also what I said still applies |
| 14:02.54 | AlexPortable | but i defined it |
| 14:02.55 | AlexPortable | and im suing root |
| 14:02.58 | AlexPortable | using* |
| 14:03.00 | AlexPortable | or well sudo |
| 14:03.04 | *** join/#debian Starkythefox (~Starky@unaffiliated/starky) |
| 14:03.07 | teraflops | do I have to read the link? |
| 14:03.18 | *** join/#debian OS-23397 (~OS-23397@103.207.149.154) |
| 14:03.29 | *** join/#debian overrider (~overrider@unaffiliated/overrider) |
| 14:03.33 | AlexPortable | my config file is there |
| 14:03.33 | *** join/#debian Furai (~Furai@furai.pl) |
| 14:03.36 | AlexPortable | the config file i used |
| 14:03.59 | gebruiker | does debian sid have security and-or proposed updates(highly unlikely but wanna know)? |
| 14:05.25 | *** join/#debian militare_occhive (~u291187@5.170.16.119) |
| 14:05.42 | jeddi | gebruiker: sid (unstable) does not have a specific security repo -- unstable is fairly dynamic ie. it gets security updates rapidly. |
| 14:05.57 | *** part/#debian ullf09721 (~root@29.red-83-57-181.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:06.03 | *** join/#debian luckman212 (~luckman21@unaffiliated/luckman212) |
| 14:07.06 | gebruiker | jeddi, deb <insert mirror here> sid main contrib non-free is all one needs? |
| 14:07.13 | *** join/#debian fooctrl (~havoc@a200072.upc-a.chello.nl) |
| 14:07.17 | jeddi | gebruiker: define 'needs'? |
| 14:07.30 | gebruiker | within the context of the question |
| 14:07.35 | themill | if you have to ask, please reconsider whether you know enough about debian to do this |
| 14:07.47 | gebruiker | i run in virtualbox |
| 14:08.00 | jeddi | Stability and security are kind of intertwined here. Perhaps debian stable is your preferred location. |
| 14:08.21 | gebruiker | i am not a serious user |
| 14:08.25 | gebruiker | just experimenting and learning |
| 14:08.37 | jeddi | Debian unstable is a good place to be if you need fresh releases of candidate software and potential for breakage of packages (rather than software per se) ... but .. it's a complex question. |
| 14:08.56 | themill | s/unstable/testing/ |
| 14:09.09 | jeddi | gebruiker: it's possible the testing branch is your preferred place to be then. what kinds of things are you experimenting / learning about? stable is always the *best* (general term) place to be. |
| 14:10.09 | gebruiker | jeddi, i want to run debian sid, and my questtion is using only the vanilla repo, is what i pasted above all that is requried? |
| 14:10.57 | gebruiker | From reading the handbook i belief this is so |
| 14:11.04 | jeddi | gebruiker: in the strict context of 'if i must run debian sid, what repos can i add to ensure i have the latest secure packages' then, yes, debian sid *is* the latest security releases for debian sid. |
| 14:11.17 | jeddi | i was asking 'why do you want to run sid' |
| 14:11.18 | gebruiker | thanks for being more direct |
| 14:11.29 | teraflops | in sid bugs are fixed by installing next package version heh |
| 14:11.35 | gebruiker | i was not interested in explaning why because it makes things more of an hassle |
| 14:11.45 | gebruiker | cool! |
| 14:11.47 | jeddi | gebruiker: why is a duck. |
| 14:12.31 | *** join/#debian deemel (~deemel@179.43.173.82) |
| 14:13.10 | jeddi | gebruiker: themill's point is salient, and i apologise if i came across as argumentative or obstreperous - but if you're not sure about the different branches / contexts, then you are going to be questioned about your intent here, so we can better understand your needs. |
| 14:13.11 | *** join/#debian navlys (~smuxi@87-231-23-206.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 14:13.15 | *** join/#debian drmagoo (~drmagoo@c80-216-66-166.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 14:15.18 | *** join/#debian otirc (~fish@cpc2-burn7-2-0-cust351.10-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 14:16.38 | *** join/#debian Tom01 (~tom@p5DDFEA92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:18.09 | *** join/#debian NoCode (~NoCode@unaffiliated/nocode) |
| 14:18.23 | *** part/#debian RQ (~Thunderbi@cl-78-158-21-235.fastlink.lt) |
| 14:18.51 | *** join/#debian matheus1 (~matheus@179.180.210.17) |
| 14:19.11 | *** join/#debian Luoar (~sailfish@x4d0b7ad4.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 14:19.24 | *** join/#debian NoCode (~NoCode@unaffiliated/nocode) |
| 14:20.30 | bibble | best solution for hosting audio/video communication, open source ? ... with android client options. XMPP conversations is only text ;_; |
| 14:21.08 | teraflops | bibble: If I get what you want try tox |
| 14:21.25 | teraflops | or install asterisk :P |
| 14:21.56 | bibble | happy to here that teraflops :) .. currently using tox.chat |
| 14:22.17 | teraflops | tox supports video too |
| 14:22.30 | teraflops | qtox |
| 14:23.09 | bibble | great. got the android app installed, and only does audio at the moment, but that's enough , especially as qtox does then on desktop :) |
| 14:23.17 | gebruiker | is data=writeback still acceptable in /etc/fstab ? or do i have to do it through tune2fs? |
| 14:23.21 | *** join/#debian eptalon (~user@wikipedia/Eptalon) |
| 14:23.26 | eptalon | heyas |
| 14:23.58 | eptalon | Is there a tool that can find the partition type (+partitions on a harddisk? |
| 14:24.13 | *** join/#debian OS-23397 (~OS-23397@103.239.87.84) |
| 14:24.54 | eptalon | Installed debian live, on some drive; now drive lost it pt, after a few "reading beyond end of disk" type errors |
| 14:25.22 | bibble | eptalon: easiest GUI app is gparted, eptalon |
| 14:25.26 | *** join/#debian NoCode (~NoCode@unaffiliated/nocode) |
| 14:25.48 | teraflops | eptalon: many |
| 14:26.00 | eptalon | bibble: except that gparted does not find the partition |
| 14:26.42 | bibble | hmm, then assume partition doesn't exist, partition table corrupted possibly |
| 14:27.06 | *** join/#debian BlueByte (~walther@dslb-094-218-017-067.094.218.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 14:27.08 | eptalon | bibble: yes, thats likely; so how do I find/repair the pt? |
| 14:27.15 | teraflops | lsblk from jessie does not have +fstype :S |
| 14:27.15 | jeddi | eptalon: combination of 'cat /proc/partitions' and 'lsblk' |
| 14:27.20 | jeddi | eptalon: and 'blkid' |
| 14:27.42 | eptalon | jeddi: and a lot of spare time, in the case of a 3T disk... |
| 14:28.38 | eptalon | jeddi: can you point so some kind of howto? |
| 14:28.38 | jeddi | eptalon: so, not an ssd on sata3 then :() |
| 14:28.57 | eptalon | jeddi: no, a common hard drive, on sata-2 |
| 14:29.07 | *** join/#debian _KaszpiR_ (quasselcor@unaffiliated/kaszpir/x-3157048) |
| 14:29.26 | eptalon | ssds are overrated, so is sata3... :) |
| 14:29.49 | *** join/#debian doflamingo (~doflaming@112.215.172.128) |
| 14:29.54 | jeddi | eptalon: for a normal drive to look at partition layout, 'cat /proc/partition' - won't tell types, though. for that, fdisk or gparted (and then 'print' - usually 'p') |
| 14:30.11 | *** join/#debian dasher00 (~dasher00@197.12.93.209.dyn.plus.net) |
| 14:30.50 | *** join/#debian fooctrl (~havoc@a200072.upc-a.chello.nl) |
| 14:30.57 | jeddi | eptalon: but usually you approach it from the angle of 'i've got an internal disk that i manage, and i know the partition type' *OR* 'I have an external drive plugged in, and I'll just try mounting it and hope that it works out the partition type automagically' |
| 14:32.25 | teraflops | what's wrong with g/fdisk -l? |
| 14:32.52 | eptalon | teraflops: partition table:unknown? |
| 14:32.58 | teraflops | awww |
| 14:33.11 | eptalon | teraflops: and then no partitions. |
| 14:33.13 | jeddi | eptalon: what's the (physical) provenance of the drive in question? |
| 14:33.48 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.14.89) |
| 14:33.59 | eptalon | jeddi: boot (etc) drive for a home server (mine); which worked fine in that setup until about a month ago. |
| 14:34.00 | *** part/#debian pencilandpaper (~skribblez@unaffiliated/pencilandpaper) |
| 14:34.22 | jeddi | eptalon: okay. so something you think the partition type shoujld be X ... but it's playing silly? |
| 14:34.49 | eptalon | jeddi: first it doesn't boot (this is a live system). |
| 14:35.21 | jeddi | eptalon: okay - so quite a deeper and more worrying problem. |
| 14:35.38 | eptalon | jeddi: I expect some kind of "boot partition", and "all the rest" partition. |
| 14:35.41 | gebruiker | jeddi, i am interested in installing ilquoirx kernel on my virtualbox, is it possible to conifgure apt-get to only use and maintain the dependencies fomr sid and all other from jessie? (also with upgrading) |
| 14:36.04 | jeddi | gebruiker: 'dependencies' ... ? |
| 14:36.09 | teraflops | eptalon: booting a live system? UEFI or just MRB? are the disks gpt? |
| 14:36.23 | gebruiker | jeddi, yes the deb package require packages from sid |
| 14:36.48 | eptalon | teraflops: mbr, the distks should be gpt, yes. |
| 14:37.02 | eptalon | teraflops: system is 2010-2012ish |
| 14:37.06 | teraflops | hmm |
| 14:37.25 | jeddi | gebruiker: i don't know anyting about ilquoirx unfortunately. is it a debian derivative? does it have different branches based on stability? typically in a debian instance you can pin packages to a release candidate - but you may find 'unpredictable results' if you try to mix large chunks from different branches on one machine. |
| 14:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1601] by debhelper |
| 14:38.13 | teraflops | eptalon: tried gdisk -l /dev/whatever? |
| 14:38.14 | gebruiker | jeddi, it is kernel made for desktop, multimedia and gaming, basedupon linuz-zen (same devs), bfq and some other stuff. |
| 14:38.37 | *** join/#debian soulz (~soulz@unaffiliated/soulz) |
| 14:38.44 | *** join/#debian derstrom (~derstrom@28.103.200.146.dyn.plus.net) |
| 14:38.46 | *** join/#debian pencilandpaper (~skribblez@unaffiliated/pencilandpaper) |
| 14:38.48 | gebruiker | jeddi, the packages are made for sid. |
| 14:38.51 | gebruiker | (fyi) |
| 14:38.51 | jeddi | gebruiker: okay. still , i don't know anything about it, so can't advise in good faith. |
| 14:39.11 | eptalon | teraflops: no partitions |
| 14:39.28 | jeddi | gebruiker: you could try looking on the intergoogle for 'debian package pinning' for osme hints. |
| 14:39.48 | teraflops | eptalon: does gdisk say something like converting to gpt format in memory? |
| 14:39.50 | gebruiker | cool already doing it! >) |
| 14:40.11 | eptalon | teraflops: nope |
| 14:40.21 | teraflops | weird |
| 14:40.21 | *** join/#debian Elysia (zarthus@trivialand/guesser/zarthus) |
| 14:40.38 | *** join/#debian nullbyte_ (~ghost@unaffiliated/nullby7e) |
| 14:41.04 | jeddi | eptalon: usually you have issues with drives of that size not being friendly to pre-gpt partition utilities. |
| 14:41.19 | eptalon | jeddi: http://pastebin.com/usaM1X8X |
| 14:41.48 | teraflops | eptalon: I mean looks like the disk/s are borked, worth trying to plug them in other system or via usb converter if you can |
| 14:42.21 | teraflops | eptalon: what jeddi says too that's why I asked about gpt |
| 14:42.51 | *** join/#debian Elysia (zarthus@trivialand/guesser/zarthus) |
| 14:42.56 | gebruiker | jeddi, to bad there is no sid installer, it seems like after a dist-upgrade there are still jessie packages left swuch as linux-image . or are these eventually removed out and if so is there a more immediate approach to lose the bloat? |
| 14:43.21 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@nayon.fr) |
| 14:43.58 | *** part/#debian LorD_n1c0w (~igorhenri@177.75.77.4) |
| 14:44.46 | zykotick9 | thinks how busy #d would be, if there was a direct sid installer... he's glad there isn't one. |
| 14:44.58 | *** join/#debian DarinMiller (~darin@65.129.56.15) |
| 14:45.31 | gebruiker | why would you assume there would be support for it, there are testing installers too right? but no support |
| 14:45.41 | teraflops | zykotick9: can you pick testing/jessie from testing installer? I cannot recall |
| 14:46.01 | gebruiker | i thought joey hess created testing installers |
| 14:46.09 | *** join/#debian cyborg-one (~cyborg-on@62.16.0.126) |
| 14:46.18 | *** join/#debian Dancus (~dancus@dynamic-adsl-94-34-196-1.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 14:46.20 | zykotick9 | teraflops: dunno... i think i only tried the "testing" installer once. |
| 14:46.24 | *** join/#debian ocbtec (~ocbtec@x55b528ec.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 14:46.24 | teraflops | heh |
| 14:46.43 | teraflops | the clever approach: dont use testing installer |
| 14:46.55 | *** join/#debian Zvmdyv (~Zvmdyv@unaffiliated/zvmdyv) |
| 14:47.39 | *** join/#debian th0r (~th0r@tx-184-7-56-237.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 14:47.40 | gebruiker | teraflops, yes because being adventerous is not smart :( |
| 14:47.47 | teraflops | I agree |
| 14:48.27 | gebruiker | translates into poor sex life if applied in external world |
| 14:48.35 | gebruiker | and boring :P |
| 14:48.54 | *** join/#debian MoonkYang (~moonkyang@de.bbido.com.yang.red) |
| 14:49.03 | jim | (I'll try this one more time...) I heard that you guys scheduled a freeze of testing for sometime next year... does that indicate anything about whether testing is thought to be done? |
| 14:49.15 | *** join/#debian bathtub_shark (zarthus@trivialand/guesser/zarthus) |
| 14:49.18 | eptalon | risk-aversion: probably means ending up with the nice but ugly duckling? |
| 14:49.32 | AlexPortable | Unpacking webmin (1.820) over (1.820) ... |
| 14:49.35 | AlexPortable | why is this taking so long |
| 14:49.40 | teraflops | oh lord |
| 14:49.45 | teraflops | !webmin |
| 14:49.45 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 14:49.57 | gebruiker | wolverine became awesome because of experimental way |
| 14:50.06 | AlexPortable | !free whcp |
| 14:50.06 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 14:50.09 | gebruiker | imagine wolverine just with the bone like claws |
| 14:50.21 | AlexPortable | teraflops: well they are for webhosting |
| 14:50.34 | *** join/#debian mo1991reg (~mo1991@c-71-194-85-32.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 14:50.36 | AlexPortable | !DTC |
| 14:50.36 | dpkg | Domain Technologie Control (DTC) is a GPL-licensed web hosting control panel. Currently only in <experimental> because of a poor security track record. http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html |
| 14:51.09 | gebruiker | guess there would be a way to do a sid installation, with the live installer |
| 14:51.15 | teraflops | AlexPortable: they exists does not mean you *have* to use that crap, anyway it's my opinion (and dondelelcaro) :P |
| 14:51.25 | *** join/#debian Discovery (~Discovery@109.235.52.3) |
| 14:52.29 | jeddi | gebruiker: there aren't really 'jessie' packages or 'unstable' packages ... package versions are fairly fluid, and will trickle down, as it were, over time. if you want to run sid / unstable you need to install an earlier version and do a dist-upgrade (or two) to get you there. |
| 14:52.30 | AlexPortable | I like it for web based iptables |
| 14:52.38 | AlexPortable | how is that unsafe? |
| 14:52.48 | jeddi | gebruiker: and some packages will have the same version if they've not been upgraded since whenever. this isn't a problem. (generally) |
| 14:52.59 | gebruiker | jeddi, i just found out there are sid installers https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ#Q._How_do_I_install_.22unstable.22_.28.22sid.22.29.3F |
| 14:53.07 | *** join/#debian conta (~Thunderbi@dynamic-109-81-209-224.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz) |
| 14:53.34 | *** join/#debian overrider (~overrider@unaffiliated/overrider) |
| 14:53.38 | jeddi | gebruiker: i usually jump tfrom latest stable via a /etc/apt/souces.list (manual) change, then dist-upgrade ... but !!! most of my systems are now on stable (as i get older :) ... with only my desktop on sid. |
| 14:53.39 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@119.42.85.192) |
| 14:53.40 | *** join/#debian PseudoNoob (~PseudoNoo@unaffiliated/pseudonoob) |
| 14:53.56 | jeddi | gebruiker: as before, context is king :) |
| 14:54.14 | jeddi | eptalon: yup - you've got a whacky disk there. |
| 14:54.25 | *** join/#debian Cassiopaya (~Discovery@109.235.52.3) |
| 14:55.04 | *** join/#debian syn43 (~syn43@dslb-178-009-057-007.178.009.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 14:55.40 | jeddi | eptalon: any smart stuff available from that drive? hopefully you've got decent backups / archives from it, by the initial looks of it. do you have another machine you can attach it to to confirm it's not a cable / local host issue? |
| 14:56.21 | eptalon | jeddi: so take another disk, reinstall, and salvage that disk? - working with a live system is kinda awkward |
| 14:56.41 | AlexPortable | teraflops: any suggestions for web based iptables management? |
| 14:56.58 | teraflops | AlexPortable: learn iptables is not that hard |
| 14:57.06 | teraflops | AlexPortable: that's *my* suggestion |
| 14:57.13 | AlexPortable | well a gui is better to see than a file |
| 14:58.40 | *** join/#debian RebelCoderW (~Yuriy@cpc74579-lewi13-2-0-cust201.2-4.cable.virginm.net) |
| 14:59.03 | gebruiker | jeddi, cool. I have been running and playing with various distrobutions and bsds in virtualbox and i am pretty sure I am able to jump to complete debian sid install soon. The only things that i have some issues with might be the video driver ( ATI ) but that will be an experiment in tiself - that is to see which will run better, the open source driver or fglrx one :) |
| 14:59.31 | *** join/#debian izua (~temp@86.121.85.193) |
| 14:59.47 | *** join/#debian teapot41 (~quassel@unaffiliated/teapot41) |
| 15:00.49 | *** join/#debian dexta (~D3XTA@host86-186-187-39.range86-186.btcentralplus.com) |
| 15:01.49 | *** join/#debian mo1991reg (~mo1991@c-71-194-85-32.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 15:05.44 | bibble | self host mail is great, but still need alternative. Protonmail OK ? |
| 15:06.32 | bibble | ..or should just use larger host like google ? |
| 15:07.13 | *** join/#debian suffer (jeff@loki.cerberus.network) |
| 15:07.24 | *** join/#debian rsx (~dummy@ppp-93-104-49-114.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 15:07.42 | bibble | https://protonmail.com/about ; https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClient |
| 15:08.29 | *** join/#debian MrSnowShow (~MrSnowSho@a79-168-221-194.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 15:09.14 | *** join/#debian drmagoo (~drmagoo@c80-216-66-166.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 15:12.01 | *** join/#debian jim (~jim@about/linux/staff/jim) |
| 15:14.08 | *** join/#debian jurisl__ (~Yuriy@cpc74579-lewi13-2-0-cust201.2-4.cable.virginm.net) |
| 15:14.18 | *** part/#debian pencilandpaper (~skribblez@unaffiliated/pencilandpaper) |
| 15:14.23 | *** join/#debian lstieb (~lstieb@84-113-194-77.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) |
| 15:15.31 | *** join/#debian fooctrl (~havoc@a200072.upc-a.chello.nl) |
| 15:16.13 | *** join/#debian RebelCoder (~Yuriy@cpc74579-lewi13-2-0-cust201.2-4.cable.virginm.net) |
| 15:16.45 | *** join/#debian delYsid (~user@80-109-194-183.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) |
| 15:16.59 | *** join/#debian delYsid (~user@debian/developer/mlang) |
| 15:18.07 | *** join/#debian femme (~femme@199.119.112.220) |
| 15:18.38 | *** join/#debian mohammad-ghasemi (~mohammad@151.235.26.105) |
| 15:18.48 | *** join/#debian doflamingo (~doflaming@112.215.154.139) |
| 15:19.20 | *** join/#debian pencilandpaper (~skribblez@unaffiliated/pencilandpaper) |
| 15:19.22 | *** join/#debian nickjj (~nickjj@unaffiliated/nickjj) |
| 15:19.55 | *** join/#debian careta (~botto@109.125.104.238.dynamic.cablesurf.de) |
| 15:20.33 | *** join/#debian seoner (~usr@unaffiliated/sand3r) |
| 15:21.13 | *** join/#debian Velveeta_Chef (~Nope@fsf/member/Velveeta-Chef) |
| 15:21.33 | *** join/#debian pratch (~pratch@unaffiliated/pratch) |
| 15:22.02 | doflamingo | help. why numlock always on after boot |
| 15:22.19 | *** join/#debian teapot41 (~quassel@unaffiliated/teapot41) |
| 15:22.52 | *** part/#debian th0r (~th0r@tx-184-7-56-237.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 15:23.24 | *** join/#debian DarinMiller (~darin@65.129.56.15) |
| 15:23.26 | *** join/#debian blackest_mamba (~blackest_@2601:249:0:a313:80f2:c7b9:4c01:6b62) |
| 15:23.54 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@2a01:e34:ef37:5870:719b:825c:82ca:970a) |
| 15:24.06 | *** join/#debian bauerj (~bauerj@unaffiliated/bauerj) |
| 15:24.07 | *** join/#debian LambdaCalculus37 (~robert@pool-173-54-153-194.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 15:24.16 | *** join/#debian LambdaCalculus37 (~robert@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) |
| 15:24.27 | *** part/#debian nickjj (~nickjj@unaffiliated/nickjj) |
| 15:25.02 | *** join/#debian prasket (~prasket@104.200.154.13) |
| 15:26.06 | *** join/#debian blackest_mamba (~blackest_@2601:249:0:a313:80f2:c7b9:4c01:6b62) |
| 15:26.26 | mo1991reg | Need to recreate /boot on usb drive - my usb drive had issues and needed to be formatted. My system is up so I need to fix before I reboot and have no grub or kernel. ANy help |
| 15:26.29 | mo1991reg | ? |
| 15:27.05 | sn0wmonster | doflamingo: should be in your BIOS settings |
| 15:27.10 | *** join/#debian OS-25060 (~OS-25060@97e52574.skybroadband.com) |
| 15:27.19 | *** join/#debian Ericx2x (~textual@209-6-43-2.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 15:27.25 | Anselmo | mo1991reg: so. . . you're using the usb as /boot? |
| 15:27.47 | mo1991reg | yes, I was - usb got corrupted and had to format |
| 15:27.57 | OS-25060 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.00 | mo1991reg | so now my os is up, but I have no usb device to boot from if I reboot |
| 15:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1607] by debhelper |
| 15:28.14 | Anselmo | you'll probably just want to mount it to /boot and reistall the kernel and such I think, as well as grub, |
| 15:28.17 | OS-25060 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.18 | Anselmo | or whetever bootloader |
| 15:28.32 | *** join/#debian MarkusMagnusson (~MarkusMag@c-951be455.040-475-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 15:28.39 | AlexPortable | OS-25060: uhm |
| 15:28.41 | Anselmo | I would imagine. . . |
| 15:28.42 | Akuli | hmm what should we say to him |
| 15:29.08 | *** join/#debian fooctrl (~havoc@a200072.upc-a.chello.nl) |
| 15:29.37 | *** join/#debian Geom (~Geom@122.52.81.99) |
| 15:30.02 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@nayon.fr) |
| 15:30.03 | *** join/#debian remo (~remo@175-86-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) |
| 15:30.58 | gebruiker | you know guys one thing that i do think is missing is a good removal of a package including the dependencies it installs with during the apt-get install |
| 15:31.26 | *** part/#debian OS-25060 (~OS-25060@97e52574.skybroadband.com) |
| 15:31.36 | WangDang_ | OS-25060: did you put a space before typing "/msg..."? |
| 15:32.01 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 15:32.50 | *** join/#debian OS-25060 (~OS-25060@97e52574.skybroadband.com) |
| 15:33.04 | OS-25060 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.19 | OS-25060 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.46 | TomTomTosch | you are broadcasting that. don't put spaces in front. |
| 15:34.15 | Anselmo | ? |
| 15:34.17 | *** join/#debian stoilkov (~stoilkov@95.111.120.130) |
| 15:34.32 | *** join/#debian MarkusMagnusson (~MarkusMag@c-951be455.040-475-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 15:34.49 | *** join/#debian my123_ (~my123@13.85.69.239) |
| 15:35.18 | *** join/#debian OS-25060 (~OS-25060@97e52574.skybroadband.com) |
| 15:35.19 | *** join/#debian Elysia (zarthus@trivialand/guesser/zarthus) |
| 15:35.44 | OS-25060 | hi - think i've messed up here - what should I do |
| 15:35.48 | teraflops | OS-25060: youre doing that thing for 2 days |
| 15:36.33 | teraflops | go use the server buffer and ask in #freenode |
| 15:36.35 | gebruiker | guys what ubuntu version matches debian sid most? |
| 15:36.35 | OS-25060 | first time Ive logged on 10 mins ago |
| 15:37.42 | WangDang_ | OS-25060: don't put spaces before the "/msg..." |
| 15:38.08 | teraflops | OS-25060: 2016-10-02 14:00:31OS-22437 /msg NickServ SET HIDEMAIL ON |
| 15:38.16 | teraflops | 2016-10-02 |
| 15:38.24 | *** join/#debian jak2000 (~jak2000@189.155.50.134) |
| 15:38.29 | teraflops | use the server buffer ^ |
| 15:39.49 | *** part/#debian pencilandpaper (~skribblez@unaffiliated/pencilandpaper) |
| 15:40.23 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip68-14-181-94.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 15:40.34 | *** join/#debian beowulf_ (~beowulf@0189404013.0.fullrate.ninja) |
| 15:41.13 | *** join/#debian SuperTramp83 (~user@unaffiliated/supertramp83) |
| 15:41.47 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.14.89) |
| 15:42.06 | beowulf_ | is true that Debian 8.6 cannot do UEFI install on an nvme device without internet connection (cannot write bootloader)? |
| 15:43.02 | *** part/#debian OS-25060 (~OS-25060@97e52574.skybroadband.com) |
| 15:43.07 | *** join/#debian my123_ (~my123@unaffiliated/kill--9-1/x-8776976) |
| 15:44.45 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@2600:8807:8306:7600:d14:59d5:7ddf:e1b0) |
| 15:45.00 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@82-132-212-88.dab.02.net) |
| 15:46.01 | *** join/#debian bipul (~bipul7@linuxpadawan/padawan/bipul) |
| 15:46.23 | *** join/#debian Velveeta_Chef (~Nope@fsf/member/Velveeta-Chef) |
| 15:46.33 | *** join/#debian cpc26 (~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26) |
| 15:47.22 | *** join/#debian m-H7 (~mathias@178-83-100-100.dynamic.hispeed.ch) |
| 15:48.40 | *** join/#debian dm2 (~dm@223.81.204.3) |
| 15:48.44 | *** part/#debian dm2 (~dm@223.81.204.3) |
| 15:48.48 | *** part/#debian captain0 (~captain0@2600:8807:8306:7600:d14:59d5:7ddf:e1b0) |
| 15:48.53 | jmcnaught | beowulf_: you might need to install a kernel from jessie-backports while still in the installer (which is a lot easier with an internet connection) |
| 15:48.54 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@2600:8807:8306:7600:d14:59d5:7ddf:e1b0) |
| 15:49.35 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@nayon.fr) |
| 15:50.30 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, rgr. need non-free sid to get online though. What i wouldn't give for sid installers ^^ |
| 15:51.20 | jmcnaught | beowulf_: why do you need sid to get online? |
| 15:51.52 | *** join/#debian tremon (~arno@ip503d8411.speed.planet.nl) |
| 15:51.54 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, obscure driver. Guess i could mess with the bootdrive instead. |
| 15:52.15 | *** join/#debian mints (~mints@unaffiliated/mints) |
| 15:52.30 | jmcnaught | beowulf_: http://www.poweredbyjeff.com/2015/10/29/Intel-750-SSD-in-Debian-Jessie/ |
| 15:52.30 | *** join/#debian tier (~tier@46.216.39.79) |
| 15:53.12 | jmcnaught | alternatively, you could put the .debs that you would need on a USB stick and install them using dpkg -i while still booted into the installer |
| 15:54.11 | teraflops | you can also install the bootloader later |
| 15:54.45 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, best idear yet. apt-get update was holding me back from that solution. |
| 15:54.46 | *** join/#debian dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 15:54.46 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip68-14-181-94.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 15:55.07 | tremon | hi all, hopefully simple gnome question: in gnome's graphical sudo prompt (e.g. when opening a settings panel and clicking "unlock"), is there any way to choose which user to authenticate as? |
| 15:55.39 | *** join/#debian SPF|Cloud (uid11755@wikipedia/Southparkfan) |
| 15:55.49 | teraflops | it uses polkit iirc, what are you trying to launch specifically? |
| 15:56.12 | stoilkov | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.12 | stoilkov | Uptime: 6h 13m 28s ** |
| 15:56.17 | *** join/#debian eszett2 (~eszett@ipservice-092-217-188-164.092.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 15:56.30 | teraflops | stoilkov: thanks for the fucking useless info |
| 15:56.32 | tremon | my specific issue is with the gnome printer dialog |
| 15:56.45 | eszett2 | hi! I have a question. How can I turn the login screen off, that occurse after awhile of idling on my debian (Jessie)? |
| 15:56.57 | beowulf_ | teraflops, yeah but then i would have to mess with the partitions |
| 15:57.02 | tremon | this is a multi-user pc, with my own account and my brother's having admin privileges and my parents not |
| 15:57.04 | *** join/#debian robotroll (~robotroll@unaffiliated/robotroll) |
| 15:57.10 | teraflops | beowulf_: right |
| 15:57.32 | teraflops | tremon: oh I just use cups web interface never tried that thing |
| 15:57.40 | jmcnaught | tremon: authenticating as a different uses in gnome-settings would require messing with policykit. Instead use the CUPS web interface, http://localhost:631/ which uses http basic auth |
| 15:57.43 | beowulf_ | teraflops, not a problem. But doesn't sit right with my ocd. ^^ |
| 15:57.59 | tremon | when one of my parents opens any settings dialog and presses unlock, gnome always asks for my password |
| 15:58.06 | *** join/#debian flugger (~flugger@c-50-178-134-182.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 15:58.10 | teraflops | tremon: right |
| 15:58.25 | tremon | but I'm at home only once every few weeks, and my brother much more often |
| 15:58.26 | *** join/#debian ssaturos (~saturos@86.149.90.135) |
| 15:58.28 | jmcnaught | tremon: you mean, the password of the user currently logged in? |
| 15:58.45 | tremon | no, when my brother is logged in, it asks for his own password |
| 15:59.04 | AlexPortable | jmcnaught: no, it will ask for the password of an account with sudo / admin permissions |
| 15:59.09 | *** join/#debian t0mmy (~tprrt@ram31-1-82-234-79-177.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 15:59.09 | teraflops | tremon: if you set options from the app that is trying to print you won't need to deal with cups though |
| 15:59.21 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, thanks btw. guess my brainfart was that assuming .deb installs at boot was a problem (doesnt matter with kernel modules itc.). |
| 15:59.23 | tremon | when my parents are logged in (no admin privileges), it always asks for my password, and we can't get figure out how to get it to accept my brother's account too |
| 15:59.45 | Elronnd | for some reason, the mouse button on my laptop is getting interpreted as a middle click |
| 15:59.49 | Elronnd | any way to fix that? |
| 15:59.54 | teraflops | tremon: but why? I mean all users are non root users |
| 16:00.48 | teraflops | tremon: what are they trying to change that needs to be *you* ? |
| 16:01.01 | tremon | I don't really know how gnome does authentication tbh |
| 16:01.05 | teraflops | polkit |
| 16:01.09 | *** join/#debian xpkill23 (~test@port-92-203-102-78.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 16:01.12 | *** join/#debian dRWf (~dRWf@185.97.214.103) |
| 16:01.31 | xpkill23 | hi all serach debain german help thank you very muc |
| 16:01.37 | teraflops | tremon: are you talking about gnome-keyring thingy? |
| 16:01.48 | teraflops | tremon: that's a different thing |
| 16:02.07 | TomTomTosch | !de |
| 16:02.07 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 16:02.09 | *** join/#debian doflamingo (~doflaming@112.215.172.86) |
| 16:02.10 | tremon | I'm talking about the dialog that pops up when you press "unlock" on any of gnome's settings panels |
| 16:02.30 | tremon | I'm sorry for not being more specific, I normally try to avoid gnome like the plague |
| 16:02.37 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip68-14-181-94.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 16:02.41 | teraflops | hmm I never notices that unlock option |
| 16:02.47 | teraflops | noticed* |
| 16:03.32 | jmcnaught | tremon: are your parents in the lpadmin group? |
| 16:03.44 | *** join/#debian Ericx2x (~textual@209-6-43-2.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 16:03.58 | jmcnaught | jak2000: please don't /msg people or hilight them randomly. |
| 16:04.30 | tremon | jmcnaught: they are (although I thought they were not) |
| 16:05.02 | tremon | I'll look into polkit, it just feels weird that gnome somehow has decided to always ask for my password instead of any of the users marked as "admin" in gnome's own users&groups panel |
| 16:05.30 | teraflops | tremon: yeah that's weird |
| 16:07.49 | jmcnaught | tremon: it's the file /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.opensuse.cupspkhelper.mechanism.policy that seems to be controlling this. Don't edit this file. You can make a 'policy kit local authority' (PKLA) that overrides it in /etc/polkit |
| 16:08.18 | tremon | thanks! I'll look into it |
| 16:09.12 | jmcnaught | tremon: pklocalauthority(8) |
| 16:09.44 | *** join/#debian jass93__ (~ifillj@rrcs-24-39-217-250.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 16:10.55 | *** join/#debian jak2000 (~jak2000@189.155.50.134) |
| 16:11.13 | *** join/#debian jxcl (~jxcl@c-73-78-220-222.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 16:11.58 | *** join/#debian Tom012 (~tom@p5DDFE419.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:12.02 | Elronnd | is there any way to install sdl-ttf for sdl2? |
| 16:12.40 | *** join/#debian dWRf (~simonjens@185.97.214.103) |
| 16:13.48 | *** join/#debian bolt (r00t@unaffiliated/bolt) |
| 16:13.49 | *** join/#debian thunderblack (~thunderbl@62.109.30.187) |
| 16:13.54 | *** join/#debian Lowl3v3l (~Lowl3v3l@ipservice-092-208-084-124.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 16:14.01 | *** part/#debian dWRf (~simonjens@185.97.214.103) |
| 16:14.52 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, dpkg doesnt seem to be available in the installer shell? |
| 16:15.19 | *** join/#debian ssaturos (~saturos@host86-149-90-135.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 16:15.23 | tremon | beowulf_: it's udpkg iirc (micro-dpkg) |
| 16:15.24 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip68-14-181-94.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 16:16.35 | jmcnaught | tremon: i've never had to deal with "auth_admin" before i guess. the policykit documentation isn't very clear on how the admin user it asks to authenticate is selected unless i'm missing something. My suggestion would be to figure out which action(s) your parents need, and make PKLA files that lets that user do those actions in an active session (ResultActive=yes). You can list actions with pkaction |
| 16:17.04 | *** join/#debian BlueByte (~walther@dslb-094-218-017-067.094.218.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 16:17.06 | *** join/#debian RA3OR (~demon@unaffiliated/ra3or) |
| 16:17.14 | *** join/#debian lbatalha (~lbatalha@static.190.159.201.138.clients.your-server.de) |
| 16:17.26 | captain0 | script load adv_windowlist.pl |
| 16:17.38 | tremon | yes, that's probably easier. Reading that man page, it says explicitly: "AdminIdentities=unix-group:staff specifies that any user in the staff UNIX group can be used for authentication when administrator authentication is needed" |
| 16:17.39 | jmcnaught | beowulf_: you want to be using dpkg inside a chroot |
| 16:17.56 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, thx! |
| 16:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1619] by debhelper |
| 16:18.13 | tremon | but there is a /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/51-debian-sudo.conf that already allows all members of the sudo group |
| 16:18.20 | captain0 | script load adv_windowlist.pl |
| 16:18.27 | tremon | and that groups has three members on this machine :( |
| 16:18.30 | thunderblack | We have gotten all the nice and several data of a girl with her photos in Mega. The access link is just on the Onion Network and will be available for 1 hour only, then it will be destroyed automatically and we will post it with a new link again here or in any other place: http://zerobinqmdqd236y.onion/?838a0dab6a73e8cd#wepapimYCYdeA/6Lm3QjmcJTTJcomTQ5ZjPf+LxRZ/s= |
| 16:18.48 | *** join/#debian MarkusMagnusson (~MarkusMag@c-951be455.040-475-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:19.33 | tremon | I'll look into ResultActive, thanks. It's mostly about canceling stuck print jobs so it should be manageable |
| 16:20.01 | thunderblack | We have gotten all the nice and several data of a girl with her photos in Mega. The access link is just on the Onion Network and will be available for 1 hour only, then it will be destroyed automatically and we will post it with a new link again here or in any other place: http://zerobinqmdqd236y.onion/?838a0dab6a73e8cd#wepapimYCYdeA/6Lm3QjmcJTTJcomTQ5ZjPf+LxRZ/s= |
| 16:20.19 | jmcnaught | tremon: oh yeah, you could do that but instead of 'unix-group:staff' use 'unix-user:mybrother' |
| 16:20.52 | jmcnaught | !ops thunderblack porn spam |
| 16:20.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: thunderblack porn spam |
| 16:21.13 | *** join/#debian Darcidride (~Darcidrid@158.69.114.146) |
| 16:21.29 | jmcnaught | oh... they were gone already sorry |
| 16:21.58 | *** join/#debian _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@92.176.142.156) |
| 16:22.00 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, its complaining about incompatible dkms. But i checked and the driver req. >2.1 and jessie running 2.2. |
| 16:22.13 | *** join/#debian mo1991reg (~mo1991@c-71-194-85-32.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 16:23.41 | jmcnaught | beowulf_: what exact steps are you doing? i don't know what 'it' is |
| 16:25.02 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, sorry. I placed the deb (r8168-dkms_8.042.00-2_all.deb) on the install usb. Opened a shell and ran udpkg -i . ERROR: DKMS version is too old and x was not build with legacy support. |
| 16:26.04 | jmcnaught | beowulf_: that's a package from sid, i was recommending you install a kernel from backports |
| 16:26.13 | *** join/#debian Luoar (~sailfish@x4d0b7ad4.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 16:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1612] by debhelper |
| 16:28.05 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, sry. missed that. No can do - r8168 is sid only. |
| 16:28.25 | *** join/#debian Caplain (~shayne@d14-69-32-57.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 16:28.36 | *** join/#debian czesmir (~stefan@dbr236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 16:28.50 | *** join/#debian LtL (~irssi@unaffiliated/ltl) |
| 16:29.11 | *** join/#debian ssaturos (~saturos@host86-149-90-135.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 16:29.12 | jmcnaught | beowulf_: what is the output of "lspci -nn | grep -i net" for that card.. just the pci-id part is needed |
| 16:30.30 | *** join/#debian eszett (~eszett@ipservice-092-217-188-164.092.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 16:31.25 | *** join/#debian Caplain (~shayne@d14-69-32-57.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 16:32.10 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-188-107-249-083.188.107.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 16:33.03 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, 1969:e0al |
| 16:33.11 | *** join/#debian Bonn333 (~Bonn333@unaffiliated/bonn333) |
| 16:33.38 | *** join/#debian petan (~grumpy@wikimedia/Petrb) |
| 16:33.49 | *** join/#debian RebelCoder (~Yuriy@cpc74579-lewi13-2-0-cust201.2-4.cable.virginm.net) |
| 16:34.18 | *** join/#debian MarkusMagnusson (~MarkusMag@c-951be455.040-475-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:34.30 | *** join/#debian genpaku (~genpaku@107.191.100.185) |
| 16:35.49 | beowulf_ | wait - thats no the one on my MOBO specs |
| 16:35.55 | Bonn333 | Hi ;) |
| 16:36.09 | Kobaz | what's the thing for getting the ./configure options for the standard binary packages |
| 16:37.04 | *** join/#debian pavlushka (~Pavel@ubuntu/member/pavlushka) |
| 16:37.13 | *** join/#debian tremon (~arno@ip503d8411.speed.planet.nl) |
| 16:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1619] by debhelper |
| 16:38.02 | *** join/#debian krytarik (~krytarik@xebian/developer/krytarik) |
| 16:38.05 | *** join/#debian maeslor (~maeslor@189.63.40.26) |
| 16:38.19 | *** join/#debian eni (~eni@pyr75-7-88-190-150-199.fbxo.proxad.net) |
| 16:38.32 | *** join/#debian cpc26 (~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26) |
| 16:38.40 | tremon | jmcnaught: thanks for the help, I've now created a file /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/99-local.conf containing the line "AdminIdentities=unix-user:$brother;unix-group:sudo" and indeed, the gnome panel now consistently asks for his password instead of mine |
| 16:39.46 | jmcnaught | ,pciid 1969:e0al |
| 16:39.47 | tremon | I've also created a file that whitelists the org.opensuse.cupspkhelper.mechanism.job-edit action for all users, but I haven't found a way to verify that it works |
| 16:40.07 | *** join/#debian fff (~fff@5.189.179.192) |
| 16:40.14 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, i did try booting with the unofficial non-free netinst. Didn |
| 16:40.23 | beowulf_ | t detect the card either. |
| 16:41.24 | jmcnaught | beowulf_: that's not a valid pciid, the letter 'l' doesn't exist in hex |
| 16:41.54 | eszett | I have a question, my terminal doesnt start up anymore, the "hour glass" is just turning awhile, and then nothing happens |
| 16:42.10 | *** join/#debian Ricardo__ (~rick@unaffiliated/ricardo--/x-7903455) |
| 16:42.19 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, its a 1 sry |
| 16:42.25 | *** join/#debian mo1991reg (~mo1991@c-71-194-85-32.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 16:42.34 | tremon | eszett: that's not a question (yet) |
| 16:42.49 | jmcnaught | ,pciid 1969:e0a1 |
| 16:42.50 | judd | [1969:e0a1] is 'Killer E2400 Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:e0a1 |
| 16:43.03 | *** join/#debian TheCubeLord (~darkness@70.32.45.67) |
| 16:43.32 | tremon | eszett: but try logging into a virtual console (e.g. ctrl-alt-f1) and verify that you can login normally there. Then try (installing or running) a different terminal |
| 16:43.34 | jmcnaught | beowulf_: tricky. you don't have another network interface you could use termporarily? |
| 16:43.38 | *** join/#debian TheCubeLord (~darkness@unaffiliated/thecubelord) |
| 16:44.04 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport r8168-dkms |
| 16:44.05 | judd | Backporting package r8168-dkms in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 16:45.14 | jmcnaught | beowulf_: you could try to backport r8168-dkms package from sid to jessie ('/msg dpkg ssb' for some instructions) but you'll need to install with a different network adapter first |
| 16:46.13 | *** join/#debian MarkusMagnusson (~MarkusMag@c-951be455.040-475-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:46.21 | *** join/#debian frozengeek (~frozengee@213.219.166.36.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) |
| 16:47.16 | eszett | tremon: thanks, im logged into this "emergency console" now |
| 16:48.00 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, holy mother. Alright - i was planning to buy a new ethernet port for the box anyways (bc. og the whole MSI-always-alive thing). Thanks for the help! |
| 16:48.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1625] by debhelper |
| 16:48.58 | jmcnaught | beowulf_: if you have a wifi usb adapter that works in Debian that would do it |
| 16:50.06 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, good point. I think i have a crappy old usb-adapter somewhere. Will give it a try. |
| 16:50.15 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, u read my mind. |
| 16:50.23 | *** join/#debian schu-r (~Thunderbi@82-149-107-2.wco.wellcom.at) |
| 16:50.59 | *** part/#debian TheCubeLord (~darkness@unaffiliated/thecubelord) |
| 16:51.10 | *** join/#debian supaket (~supaket@cm-114-109-32-224.revip13.asianet.co.th) |
| 16:51.52 | *** join/#debian _foldLeft (~foldleft@205.153.36.170) |
| 16:52.26 | *** join/#debian conformist1 (~conformis@119-68-94-178.pool.ukrtel.net) |
| 16:52.56 | beowulf_ | jmcnaught, some other days. Thx again. C u around. |
| 16:53.00 | beowulf_ | *day |
| 16:53.52 | *** join/#debian khfeng (~khfeng@114-32-108-117.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 16:56.22 | *** join/#debian MrSnowShow (~MrSnowSho@a79-168-221-194.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 16:57.56 | *** join/#debian stargazer (~stargazer@2a02:c7d:5da6:e900:4a5a:b6ff:fe8b:c313) |
| 16:58.13 | *** join/#debian MarkusMagnusson (~MarkusMag@c-951be455.040-475-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:59.12 | *** join/#debian dave4925_ (~dave4925@unaffiliated/dave4925) |
| 16:59.18 | *** join/#debian psichas (~psichas@unaffiliated/psichas) |
| 17:01.03 | *** join/#debian btf (~btf@185.83.14.89) |
| 17:02.12 | *** join/#debian xet7 (~xet7@84-230-45-11.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 17:04.14 | *** join/#debian sine0 (hamburgerz@unaffiliated/sine0) |
| 17:08.03 | *** join/#debian r0ncalli (~pommes@95.211.138.132) |
| 17:10.11 | *** join/#debian Caplain (~shayne@d14-69-32-57.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 17:11.36 | *** join/#debian denisrfe (~denisrfe@186.210.11.206) |
| 17:11.41 | *** join/#debian Richard_Cavell (uid165693@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dwutbyunbjcyzpaq) |
| 17:12.31 | *** join/#debian NoCode (~NoCode@unaffiliated/nocode) |
| 17:12.38 | *** join/#debian Joufflu (~Joufflu@2600:8807:c180:2d4:2473:adbf:4989:6ebb) |
| 17:13.35 | *** join/#debian julius_ (~jason4@dslb-178-003-128-062.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 17:13.57 | *** join/#debian funnel (~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral) |
| 17:14.30 | *** join/#debian MarkusMagnusson (~MarkusMag@c-951be455.040-475-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 17:14.36 | *** join/#debian kill9 (devnull@SDF.ORG) |
| 17:15.17 | *** join/#debian jak2000 (~jak2000@189.155.50.134) |
| 17:16.06 | *** join/#debian jewsdid911 (~pi@212.252.164.8) |
| 17:16.09 | jewsdid911 | hi all |
| 17:16.18 | kill9 | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree does not work |
| 17:16.19 | Richard_Cavell | Hi |
| 17:16.23 | kill9 | says its obsolete? :/ |
| 17:16.44 | *** part/#debian denisrfe (~denisrfe@186.210.11.206) |
| 17:16.51 | kill9 | https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 17:16.59 | kill9 | Trying to follow this guide but.... doesnt work. |
| 17:17.06 | *** join/#debian nickenchuggets (~nicken@2601:681:8101:2270:349f:ada5:9b89:33ba) |
| 17:17.06 | *** join/#debian nickenchuggets (~nicken@unaffiliated/zeromodulus) |
| 17:17.18 | jmcnaught | kill9: what says obsolete? |
| 17:17.49 | kill9 | apt-get says its obsolete to install flashplugin-nonfree in apt-get |
| 17:18.19 | missmbob | kill9: anyway you probably want browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash (it's in jessie-backports contrib) |
| 17:18.22 | jmcnaught | kill9: please show the command and complete output on http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 17:19.57 | *** join/#debian rolig (~rolig@unaffiliated/rollig) |
| 17:20.03 | *** join/#debian jak2013 (~jak2000@189.155.50.134) |
| 17:20.08 | kill9 | http://paste.debian.net/858312/ |
| 17:20.15 | *** join/#debian soulz (~soulz@unaffiliated/soulz) |
| 17:20.19 | *** join/#debian grimsley (~grimsley@2602:306:319e:c390:c00:e2c9:98c5:da5c) |
| 17:20.49 | missmbob | kill9: probably just means you dont have contrib in your sources.list |
| 17:20.57 | jmcnaught | yeah |
| 17:21.03 | kill9 | *face desks* |
| 17:21.15 | kill9 | why cant debian just include it? |
| 17:21.19 | jmcnaught | kill9: make yours look like the example on the page: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 17:21.23 | kill9 | join us in the 21st century pls.. |
| 17:21.31 | *** join/#debian awal1 (~awal1@199.241.132.84) |
| 17:21.35 | missmbob | kill9: what does have to do with licenses? |
| 17:22.24 | *** join/#debian Lowl3v3l (~Lowl3v3l@ipservice-092-208-084-124.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 17:22.30 | kill9 | Its 2016 and flash still needs extensive configuring |
| 17:22.41 | teraflops | kill9: I'd blame the debian mantainer/packager I guess |
| 17:22.43 | kill9 | for a source list thats already available anyway |
| 17:22.47 | x10 | it's 2016 and people still use flash? |
| 17:22.48 | missmbob | flash is almost dead anyway. not many need it |
| 17:23.01 | teraflops | x10: sadly it seems so |
| 17:23.05 | jmcnaught | kill9: https://www.debian.org/social_contract this explains why some software is not included in the main archive of Debian. Software that isn't free is optional in Debian, you have to choose to enable those sources |
| 17:23.48 | *** join/#debian ojoa (~zetagi@91.236.116.233) |
| 17:24.11 | kill9 | Right but media simply needs to work im looking at the sources list wiki |
| 17:24.45 | *** join/#debian cyborg-one (~cyborg-on@62.16.0.126) |
| 17:25.21 | *** join/#debian Alex88WH (~alex88wh@2804:7f3:8988:94c2:ccc:a139:2ad0:a928) |
| 17:25.34 | *** join/#debian awal1 (~awal1@199.241.132.84) |
| 17:25.38 | jmcnaught | kill9: if you want flash installed by default then Debian might not be the right distro for you |
| 17:26.20 | kill9 | I mean its hosted on the debian website, so whats the difference? lol |
| 17:26.30 | kill9 | just a pain in the ass. |
| 17:26.45 | jmcnaught | kill9: that social contract explains the difference |
| 17:27.44 | teraflops | oh wait we was complaining for the opposite, meh |
| 17:28.52 | *** join/#debian B[]rG (~tuptidup@46-150-40-173.cable.teleing.net) |
| 17:28.57 | *** join/#debian gdot2 (~gdot@pD9FED2FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:30.37 | *** join/#debian CyberGabber (~CyberGabb@29-187-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl) |
| 17:31.49 | kill9 | Im just involved on alot of financial websites and they use it so im kinda forced to and debian has a huge program database so its good for me. |
| 17:32.16 | *** join/#debian jak2000 (~jak2000@189.155.50.134) |
| 17:33.43 | *** join/#debian miomio9090 (~chatzilla@151.57.73.137) |
| 17:33.52 | miomio9090 | hi |
| 17:33.56 | teraflops | flash is good for shitty ads and intrusive ransomware advertising |
| 17:34.05 | *** join/#debian HeXiLeD (~grumpynes@unaffiliated/hexiled) |
| 17:34.16 | unborn | flash is not good at all |
| 17:34.36 | kill9 | I agree but unfortunately if I dont have it I wont be able to view it |
| 17:34.42 | teraflops | unborn: I was being sarcastic I forgot the :P |
| 17:34.44 | miomio9090 | hi as I do to speak to an operator |
| 17:35.05 | miomio9090 | +CLPcntlf 1625 #debian-overflow |
| 17:35.05 | *** join/#debian prasket (~prasket@104.200.154.44) |
| 17:35.42 | unborn | kill9: well, install google chrome - there you have flash build in.. no issues |
| 17:35.43 | *** join/#debian phystau (~phystau@96-32-52-43.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 17:35.50 | *** join/#debian santix (~username@186.136.66.155) |
| 17:36.01 | *** join/#debian edderf (~edderf@151.53.4.228) |
| 17:36.18 | *** join/#debian funnel (~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral) |
| 17:36.30 | unborn | or install it via ways some other guys here describe it.. I do not use flash personally, sorry |
| 17:37.49 | teraflops | those are flags what's wrong with them? |
| 17:37.56 | jmcnaught | miomio9090: you're in #debian not #debian-overflow. Do you need Debian support? If you need to talk to an operator they are in #debian-ops (don't hang out there though) |
| 17:37.57 | teraflops | miomio9090 ^ |
| 17:38.04 | *** join/#debian InfoTest (~Thunderbi@tgn.126.64.179.dts.mg) |
| 17:38.10 | *** join/#debian conta (~Thunderbi@2a00:1028:838a:1096:c4c8:360b:d479:6d6e) |
| 17:38.55 | *** join/#debian careta (~botto@dslb-092-075-028-170.092.075.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 17:39.00 | *** join/#debian SuperTramp83 (~user@unaffiliated/supertramp83) |
| 17:39.03 | *** join/#debian coffeebeanzz (~root@host-92-28-169-182.as13285.net) |
| 17:39.43 | miomio9090 | come |
| 17:39.47 | miomio9090 | hello |
| 17:39.57 | *** part/#debian damio (sid156328@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mpsuwxglnzahfmwc) |
| 17:40.59 | *** join/#debian shinnya (~shinnya@245.144.137.133.dy.bbexcite.jp) |
| 17:41.50 | jmcnaught | miomio9090: please don't /msg people. Do you need help with Debian? |
| 17:42.29 | *** join/#debian Gehenna (~Gehenna@185.60.147.98) |
| 17:42.43 | miomio9090 | yes |
| 17:43.10 | teraflops | miomio9090: read the topic "/msg bots not people" |
| 17:43.28 | *** join/#debian shinnya (~shinnya@245.144.137.133.dy.bbexcite.jp) |
| 17:44.56 | *** join/#debian mcgreg (~pegasos@2a02:908:4c2:5920:25bc:4fb6:25ad:52f) |
| 17:45.01 | mcgreg | hi |
| 17:45.11 | *** join/#debian Smold3r (uid78229@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ukixofeewahnqbag) |
| 17:45.49 | Kobaz | what's the thing for getting the ./configure options for the standard binary packages |
| 17:46.01 | mcgreg | anybody here who uses "playonlinux" ? the software doesnt start and I am getting an error - which might by python related? https://paste.debian.net/858311/ |
| 17:46.02 | *** join/#debian SpeccyMan (~nick@94.197.121.29.threembb.co.uk) |
| 17:46.03 | Kobaz | with a source package... |
| 17:47.32 | *** join/#debian doflamingo (~doflaming@112.215.154.139) |
| 17:48.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1632] by debhelper |
| 17:48.21 | *** join/#debian lel (~lel@unaffiliated/lel) |
| 17:48.29 | jmcnaught | Kobaz: do you mean the debian/rules file in the source package? |
| 17:48.50 | Kobaz | that could be |
| 17:48.51 | Kobaz | lemme see |
| 17:48.53 | *** join/#debian JamesLinus (~textual@183.185.136.72) |
| 17:49.04 | *** join/#debian magnulu (~magnulu@46.246.20.13) |
| 17:50.14 | *** join/#debian quackgyver (uid11872@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rnwpjrosvnpambie) |
| 17:50.20 | *** join/#debian conta (~Thunderbi@2a00:1028:838a:1096:c4c8:360b:d479:6d6e) |
| 17:50.46 | *** join/#debian jak2000 (~jak2000@189.155.50.134) |
| 17:50.53 | *** join/#debian austin987 (~null@174-24-196-251.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 17:52.14 | JamesLinus | hello |
| 17:52.52 | troffasky | hi |
| 17:55.59 | *** join/#debian austin987 (~null@174-24-196-251.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 17:57.46 | eszett | I have a question, under settings > language, I can't chose any other lang than english. How can I download additionaly langs? |
| 17:57.53 | *** join/#debian barteks2x (~barteks2x@slimak.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl) |
| 17:58.48 | teraflops | where? |
| 17:58.55 | eszett | In Gnome |
| 17:59.14 | eszett | Settings > Region & language |
| 18:01.48 | *** join/#debian Giuseppe__ (~edderf@151.54.42.148) |
| 18:02.08 | *** join/#debian llucenic (~Thunderbi@rev-185-22-215-103.radiolan.sk) |
| 18:03.43 | *** join/#debian ragedragon (~ragedrago@hus54-1-78-214-148-27.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:04.20 | *** join/#debian XSoul (~XRule@130.204.104.129) |
| 18:06.03 | *** join/#debian _erik_hansen (~eha@82.214.45.228) |
| 18:06.29 | gebruiker | how long does a release cycle take with debian? |
| 18:07.03 | *** join/#debian p3rs3us (~jduro@host86-177-56-186.range86-177.btcentralplus.com) |
| 18:07.41 | SwedeMike | gebruiker: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Release_statistics |
| 18:07.46 | *** join/#debian [nazir] (~nazir@nomad.6in4.net) |
| 18:07.51 | *** join/#debian Lowl3v3l (~Lowl3v3l@ipservice-092-208-082-000.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 18:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1626] by debhelper |
| 18:09.02 | Kobaz | jmcnaught: so, yeah that's some good info, but what's a good way to get the actual generated ./configure line ? |
| 18:09.31 | *** join/#debian edderf (~edderf@151.54.42.148) |
| 18:09.43 | gebruiker | sweatsuit, thanks, i am planning to switch but I want to have something stable for a long time |
| 18:09.55 | gebruiker | i mean SwedeMike |
| 18:10.14 | teraflops | eszett: generate more locales |
| 18:10.22 | *** join/#debian raxc (~raxc@prz29-1-78-205-58-16.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:10.40 | SwedeMike | gebruiker: both ubuntu LTS and debian are long term stable. |
| 18:10.53 | somiaj | with the lts support, you can get about 5-7 years out of a debian release on a server before security support stops. |
| 18:11.07 | gebruiker | I am planning to run desktop somiaj |
| 18:11.37 | somiaj | gebruiker: desktop you should upgrade every 3 years or so the newer stable. Desktop support stops about 1 year after the release of the new stable. |
| 18:11.49 | somiaj | but debian provides an upgrade path so you won't have to reinstall |
| 18:11.49 | gebruiker | SwedeMike, hmm, both distros seem quite similar makes it a bit difficult to decide. Even though I have been trying out both extensively. |
| 18:12.09 | gebruiker | aah |
| 18:12.41 | gebruiker | somiaj, i have noticed that when upgrading from jessie to sid there are a lot of packages left, which I would redeem unnessesary |
| 18:13.05 | gebruiker | i guess this would eventually also be the case with ubuntu - Another words for it might be bloat |
| 18:13.23 | somiaj | gebruiker: upgrading to unstable is only testing the upgrade path but it gets all the bugs worked out during the freeze. Also the release notes explain how to remove any obslete packages that you have left over after the upgrade. |
| 18:13.41 | teraflops | bloat is getting more and more meaningless⦠|
| 18:13.50 | *** join/#debian apple_ (~apple@183.185.136.72) |
| 18:13.53 | somiaj | so upgrading to sid shows upgrades can be done, but doesn't always give the polished experience that a release will have. |
| 18:14.37 | eszett | How can I add a language to Jessie? I tried with terminal to install language packs, but im still stuck.. |
| 18:14.53 | teraflops | 20:10:14 teraflops ⸠eszett: generate more locales |
| 18:15.01 | gebruiker | somaj i see. thanks for that. I guess that makes debian my preference - because of the stability |
| 18:15.08 | eszett | hmm yes |
| 18:15.25 | gebruiker | somiaj, had a bit of a hard time deciding between xubuntu and debian |
| 18:16.08 | teraflops | eszett: dpkg-reconfigure locales generate the ones you want, restart gnome |
| 18:16.25 | *** join/#debian TomTomTo1 (~henryk@unaffiliated/tomtomtosch) |
| 18:16.26 | somiaj | gebruiker: its a personal choice, but most here will say debian because of the social contract and wider range of packages. |
| 18:16.53 | teraflops | prefers goat > bloat |
| 18:16.55 | *** join/#debian _abc_ (~user@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) |
| 18:17.15 | gebruiker | What are your ( any of you ) thoughts on turning ext4 for desktop through /etc/fstab. adding things such as data=writeback,noatime,nohbl? |
| 18:17.22 | *** join/#debian ValodiaDeSeynes (~ValodiaDe@unaffiliated/valodiadeseynes) |
| 18:17.26 | _abc_ | meep. Just saw this, new release, debian based, offline centric os https://endlessm.com/download/ . Any opinions/discussion related to this yet? |
| 18:18.00 | *** join/#debian frozengeek (~frozengee@213.219.166.36.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) |
| 18:18.36 | somiaj | _abc_: debian based distros are most off topic here. |
| 18:18.37 | *** join/#debian asal (~z3robatu@pc-233-112-100-190.cm.vtr.net) |
| 18:19.23 | gebruiker | Guys, the ATI Radeon HD 5450 will it run fine with the open source driver or do I need the proprietary fglrx driver? |
| 18:19.36 | *** join/#debian hid3 (~arnoldas@78.157.71.116) |
| 18:20.07 | somiaj | gebruiker: depends on your needs. With the additional non-free firmware it will have preformance similar to the fglrx driver for most things (some thigns the fglrx driver will have slightly better preformance) |
| 18:20.37 | somiaj | gebruiker: but for most needs the open driver (randeon + non-free firmware) works well on ati cards |
| 18:21.12 | gebruiker | that is reassuring to know somiaj, i was a bit concerned about my browsing experience with youtube and facebook videos etc.. |
| 18:21.12 | _abc_ | somiaj: is there some ##debian-derivative general purpose channel? |
| 18:21.40 | somiaj | _abc_: not really, there is ##linux as a general linux channel, otehr wise you'll have to find the channel/support for your distro of choice. |
| 18:22.45 | *** join/#debian netzfisch (~Thunderbi@x55b065d7.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 18:23.37 | *** join/#debian bolt (r00t@unaffiliated/bolt) |
| 18:25.09 | *** join/#debian austin987 (~null@174-24-196-251.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 18:26.30 | *** join/#debian Anselmo (~cjdns@184.101.219.190) |
| 18:26.41 | *** join/#debian pissoff (~pissoff@2601:196:8700:d68:3252:cbff:fec5:6f94) |
| 18:26.45 | *** join/#debian Akuli (~Akuli@mobile-access-bceef8-20.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 18:27.15 | *** join/#debian blawiz (~DD_comman@unaffiliated/blawiz) |
| 18:27.46 | blawiz | if an application sees a symbol as a code like \302\267 what could be happening? |
| 18:28.26 | *** join/#debian Guest34788 (matthiaskr@unaffiliated/matthiaskrgr) |
| 18:28.26 | *** join/#debian Guest34788 (matthiaskr@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-uskkcvdqshamysze) |
| 18:28.49 | *** join/#debian nocd (~nocd@107.170.25.230) |
| 18:29.43 | *** join/#debian milobit (~milobit@unaffiliated/milobit) |
| 18:29.53 | *** join/#debian [Brain] (~brain@cpc70879-mfld16-2-0-cust190.13-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 18:31.11 | _abc_ | blawiz: it could be using unicode. |
| 18:31.18 | *** join/#debian crankyrecursion (~crankyrec@sophos.tomferguson.me) |
| 18:31.20 | *** join/#debian l3archos (~Icedove@unaffiliated/l3archos) |
| 18:31.39 | *** join/#debian CutMeOwnThroat (~k@unaffiliated/iridos) |
| 18:32.13 | *** join/#debian wildlander (~wild@unaffiliated/wildlander) |
| 18:32.21 | *** join/#debian h9 (Elite17198@unaffiliated/antisur) |
| 18:32.21 | *** join/#debian h9 (Elite17198@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xwvnlbgubzmrjlfa) |
| 18:32.35 | *** join/#debian Rafi1 (~Thunderbi@2a02:a03f:f3:9e00:7597:a5ff:22c0:bf23) |
| 18:32.46 | eszett | teraflops: ok i finally got the language locale installed and working |
| 18:33.01 | *** join/#debian cyborg-one (~cyborg-on@37.203.21.77) |
| 18:33.17 | eszett | teraflops: do you know how I can turn off the idle screen, which recurrently pops up |
| 18:33.36 | *** join/#debian patterson (~patterson@73.93.142.252) |
| 18:34.00 | *** join/#debian overrider (~overrider@unaffiliated/overrider) |
| 18:35.37 | eszett | where do i find the setting in Jessie to turn off that lock screen? |
| 18:36.27 | *** join/#debian ongolaBoy (~ongolaBoy@unaffiliated/ongolaboy) |
| 18:36.28 | *** join/#debian afx_ (~afx_@adsl-97.37.6.247.tellas.gr) |
| 18:37.39 | somiaj | eszett: probabaly depends on your desktop, go check through the settings on your desktop. |
| 18:37.58 | somiaj | i.e. gnome should have a power saving/screen saver setting somewhere, which is what controls the lock screen |
| 18:39.05 | *** part/#debian _abc_ (~user@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) |
| 18:40.03 | *** join/#debian Nnavd (~Nnavd@d50-92-9-182.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 18:40.05 | teraflops | eszett: no idea sorry |
| 18:42.33 | teraflops | likely there's an obscure command line order for that. maybe gnome tweak tool has it too. but I'm just guessing |
| 18:43.08 | jmcnaught | eszett: it's the blank screen setting 'power' in gnome settings, set it to never |
| 18:44.26 | eszett | I just ran the gnome tweak tool, and there is no "screensaver" or "lock screen" setting in it that can turn it off |
| 18:44.45 | eszett | oh, just read jmcnaught's comment |
| 18:44.47 | eszett | wait.. |
| 18:45.15 | *** join/#debian gl-prout (~gl-prout@197.158.78.184) |
| 18:45.36 | eszett | omg, i searched everywhere just not under "power" |
| 18:45.37 | somiaj | yea they usually put it under power savings |
| 18:45.40 | eszett | thanks jmcnaught! |
| 18:45.50 | eszett | It is under "power" as he said |
| 18:47.08 | *** join/#debian way218 (~way218@2001:608:a01:2:f6f2:6dff:fe0d:1ec1) |
| 18:48.08 | *** join/#debian milobit (~milobit@unaffiliated/milobit) |
| 18:48.59 | *** join/#debian afx_ (~afx_@adsl-97.37.6.247.tellas.gr) |
| 18:54.25 | *** join/#debian silverhom (~silverhom@c83-252-238-248.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 18:55.16 | *** join/#debian Uua (~Uua@ADijon-553-1-22-48.w92-161.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:55.55 | *** join/#debian jhutchins (~jonathan@99.198.231.49) |
| 18:56.02 | *** join/#debian socomm (~socomm@97-90-17-109.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) |
| 18:56.32 | *** join/#debian nocd (~nocd@107.170.25.230) |
| 18:58.46 | *** join/#debian teapot41 (~quassel@unaffiliated/teapot41) |
| 19:00.22 | *** join/#debian overrider (~overrider@unaffiliated/overrider) |
| 19:01.45 | *** join/#debian ewew (~ewew@unaffiliated/ewew) |
| 19:02.31 | *** join/#debian th0r (~th0r@tx-184-7-56-237.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 19:02.48 | *** join/#debian joeel84 (~joseph@98.215.59.228) |
| 19:03.38 | *** join/#debian olegfusion (~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru) |
| 19:04.08 | *** join/#debian tahmed (~tahmed@180.148.211.118) |
| 19:05.08 | *** join/#debian silverhom (~silverhom@c83-252-238-248.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 19:05.15 | *** join/#debian x_ (~x@dslb-088-076-066-091.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 19:05.23 | *** join/#debian civillian (~nick@174.202.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au) |
| 19:07.04 | *** join/#debian overrider (~overrider@unaffiliated/overrider) |
| 19:08.13 | *** join/#debian jcnouveau (~jcnouveau@58-147-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr) |
| 19:08.37 | *** part/#debian tahmed (~tahmed@180.148.211.118) |
| 19:12.12 | *** join/#debian Gi0 (~Gi0@unaffiliated/gi0) |
| 19:13.02 | *** join/#debian Gi0 (~Gi0@unaffiliated/gi0) |
| 19:13.46 | *** join/#debian Gi0 (~Gi0@unaffiliated/gi0) |
| 19:14.19 | *** join/#debian Levure (~quassel@106.51-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 19:14.30 | *** join/#debian MickyW (~MickyW@p57A2FD7C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:14.35 | *** join/#debian _KaszpiR_ (quasselcor@unaffiliated/kaszpir/x-3157048) |
| 19:14.38 | *** join/#debian Gi0 (~Gi0@unaffiliated/gi0) |
| 19:14.49 | *** join/#debian th0r (~th0r@162.216.46.37) |
| 19:15.21 | *** join/#debian Gi0 (~Gi0@unaffiliated/gi0) |
| 19:17.25 | *** join/#debian magnulu (~magnulu@46.246.20.3) |
| 19:17.35 | *** part/#debian zowux (~zowux@aftr-37-24-148-72.unity-media.net) |
| 19:18.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1620] by debhelper |
| 19:18.16 | *** join/#debian masters (~petr@178.44.17.31) |
| 19:18.25 | *** join/#debian damentz (~damentz@cpe-70-122-17-194.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 19:18.47 | *** join/#debian Giuseppe__ (~edderf@151.54.42.148) |
| 19:19.27 | *** mode/#debian [+o eir] by ChanServ |
| 19:19.28 | *** mode/#debian [-bbo *!*@162.243.169.177 *!*@173.240.248.211 eir] by eir |
| 19:20.40 | *** join/#debian Colti (Miramar-FL@2a00:c1e0:0:2:0:1:208:ab5e) |
| 19:20.59 | masters | hello, how to turn off automatic mount usb flash? |
| 19:21.24 | *** join/#debian phogg (~phogg@pdpc/supporter/student/phogg) |
| 19:21.36 | *** join/#debian uoir (~uoir@cac94-8-82-245-27-76.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:21.38 | *** join/#debian Nh3xus (~Nh3xus@unaffiliated/nh3xus) |
| 19:21.56 | *** join/#debian _KaszpiR_ (quasselcor@unaffiliated/kaszpir/x-3157048) |
| 19:23.14 | teraflops | it depends on your DE I guess |
| 19:24.12 | masters | XFCE |
| 19:24.45 | *** join/#debian papitfx (~hafiz@power.betul.mypapit.net) |
| 19:25.16 | *** join/#debian blimpy (~jacob@S010600fc8d455bf3.vs.shawcable.net) |
| 19:25.49 | *** join/#debian mypapit (~fakap@power.betul.mypapit.net) |
| 19:25.50 | missmbob | masters: settings->removed drives and media |
| 19:26.25 | *** join/#debian Jazz86 (~massimo@net-93-148-80-178.cust.dsl.teletu.it) |
| 19:27.17 | *** join/#debian karimb (~karimb@87.pool85-52-16.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 19:27.52 | *** join/#debian overrider (~overrider@unaffiliated/overrider) |
| 19:28.51 | *** join/#debian CustosL1men (~CustosLim@unaffiliated/cust0slim3n) |
| 19:28.53 | *** join/#debian PryMar56 (~prymar@unaffiliated/prymar56) |
| 19:29.00 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@37.228.243.242) |
| 19:29.00 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 19:29.36 | *** join/#debian NoteOn (~noteon@s174004.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 19:29.39 | masters | this option it switched off, but usb flash mounting automatically |
| 19:34.42 | *** join/#debian mskree (~michael@c-24-118-25-209.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 19:37.59 | *** join/#debian CapsAdmin (~CapsAdmin@ti0115a400-1989.bb.online.no) |
| 19:40.00 | dfgas | ok when running samba ad dc we need to have smbd and nmbd loaded right? |
| 19:40.33 | *** join/#debian netzfisch (~Thunderbi@x55b065d7.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 19:41.24 | *** join/#debian satbyy (~Satish@unaffiliated/satbyy) |
| 19:42.04 | *** join/#debian LtL (~irssi@unaffiliated/ltl) |
| 19:43.15 | Logg | why does aptitude suggest lame or dangerous solutions? For example, I'd currently like to get a version of Kaffeine newer than 2010, so I tried to install from testing. First Aptitude suggests that I simply don't do anything. Next it wants to uninstall lots of packages I consider "mission critical" and still not install Kaffeine. This is not the first time aptitude has been so stupid. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 19:43.16 | Logg | http://pastebin.com/AEvP41YY |
| 19:43.42 | missmbob | Logg: because you can't mix releases like you did |
| 19:43.43 | jmcnaught | Logg: you can't mix testing and stable |
| 19:43.47 | missmbob | !tell Logg about dont break debian |
| 19:45.19 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport kaffeine |
| 19:45.19 | *** join/#debian thanatos_- (~amir@p2003004546425524AEB57DFFFE91BA5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:45.20 | judd | Backporting package kaffeine in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: extra-cmake-modules (>= 1.0.0), qtbase5-dev (>= 5.4.0), libqt5x11extras5-dev (>= 5.4.0), libkf5coreaddons-dev (>= 5.11.0), kdoctools-dev (>= 5.11.0), libkf5dbusaddons-dev (>= 5.11.0), libkf5i18n-dev (>= 5.11.0), kio-dev (>= 5.11.0), libkf5solid-dev (>= 5.11.0), libkf5widgetsaddons-dev (>= 5.11.0), |
| 19:45.21 | judd | libkf5xmlgui-dev (>= 5.11.0). |
| 19:46.02 | *** join/#debian CurryWurst (~CurryWurs@2001:1b48:203::1:1000) |
| 19:46.02 | jmcnaught | heh.. Logg if you want to stick with Debian Stable you'll need to wait for Stretch to be released for Kaffeine, or use something else like VLC |
| 19:46.19 | Logg | <_> |
| 19:46.45 | *** part/#debian DanneStrat (~daniel@90-225-127-181-no229.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 19:46.50 | *** join/#debian NoCode_ (~NoCode@135-23-43-125.cpe.pppoe.ca) |
| 19:46.56 | missmbob | or use caffeine. |
| 19:47.02 | missmbob | ,checkbackport caffeine |
| 19:47.03 | judd | Backporting package caffeine in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 19:47.18 | jmcnaught | Logg: looking at the tags at https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kaffeine.git it seems kaffeine was dormant until 10 months ago (after jessie had already been released) |
| 19:47.20 | *** join/#debian cdown___ (~cdown@82-132-224-128.dab.02.net) |
| 19:48.59 | Logg | I'll try Caffeine, and I guess keep in mind that I "shouldn't" install packages from testing. Thanks for the "don't break debian" page and other advice. |
| 19:49.06 | jmcnaught | missmbob: that's different. kaffeine is a media player, caffeine prevents desktop going idle |
| 19:49.23 | *** join/#debian stealth_ (~stealth@216-197-160-97.regn.static.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 19:49.28 | jmcnaught | Logg: it's not "shouldn't" it's "YOU CANNOT!" |
| 19:49.33 | missmbob | oh. shows how much i know about kde |
| 19:49.36 | Logg | well, I have. |
| 19:49.45 | *** join/#debian fffatman (~ffamousff@2a01:e35:8ad7:6b60:c002:cb4b:34ce:cee9) |
| 19:49.54 | *** join/#debian epsilon (textblase@c-base/crew/ryo) |
| 19:49.58 | stealth_ | added a new drive how do i scan for it? doesn't list under fdisk -l |
| 19:50.16 | *** join/#debian mugebjgd (~gebjgd@p5B114A77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:50.39 | jmcnaught | Logg: it's a really great way to break your system. You can use jessie-backports, or try backporting packages. Debian releases aren't designed to be mixed, so if you add testing to your sources, you either have a testing system now, or a frankendebian hybrid monster |
| 19:50.53 | cast | stealth_: lsblk is a bit easier to read :) |
| 19:52.13 | *** join/#debian keltim (~keltim@ip72-211-114-183.no.no.cox.net) |
| 19:52.19 | stealth_ | cast, ok, but it doesn't show under that as well, only sda and its partitions. I haven't restarted the system |
| 19:52.34 | *** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@197.237.131.125) |
| 19:52.57 | *** join/#debian eszett2 (~eszett@ipservice-092-217-188-164.092.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 19:53.11 | cast | stealth_: what kind of drive is this? |
| 19:53.16 | jmcnaught | stealth_: does dmesg show anything after you plug it in? |
| 19:54.30 | stealth_ | cast its a brand new drive, not formated yet. trying to do that. |
| 19:55.18 | stealth_ | jmcnaught, there is too many output for dmesg |
| 19:55.19 | cast | ...i mean, is it a sata drive, a usb drive, a sas drive, a lun presented over fc? |
| 19:55.35 | stealth_ | sata |
| 19:55.51 | OerHeks | stealth_, did you went into your bios, save, and exit? my mobo didn't recognise it untill i did. |
| 19:55.54 | *** join/#debian rosten (~rosten@cpe-45-48-9-161.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 19:55.54 | cast | you probably just have to scan for it, something like echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan |
| 19:56.13 | *** join/#debian thanatos_- (~amir@p2003004546425524AEB57DFFFE91BA5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:56.35 | stealth_ | OerHeks, trying to get it live without restarting the server if i can avoid it :) |
| 19:56.36 | cast | though it may not be host0, could be 2,3,4...Depends on your setup. AFAIK there's not too much to fear from scanning the wrong thing |
| 19:56.44 | stealth_ | cast, i tired that not luck. |
| 19:57.02 | OerHeks | wow, you added a hdd in a running server? |
| 19:57.33 | jmcnaught | stealth_: so what is in dmesg right after plugging it in? |
| 19:57.40 | cast | OerHeks: it's probably more common than turning it off :) |
| 19:58.02 | stealth_ | OerHeks, ya it should be fine, drive's are plug and play if you rescan, its a hotswap drive |
| 19:58.34 | *** join/#debian NoCode (~NoCode@unaffiliated/nocode) |
| 19:58.34 | vlt | stealth_: dmesg -H |
| 19:59.40 | stealth_ | jmcnaught, vlt, it shows my firewall output on dmesg.., sorry. |
| 19:59.59 | vlt | OerHeks: I do this all the time. Works fine if you donât accidentally pull the wrong sata cable ;-) |
| 20:00.41 | vlt | stealth_: You can search and grep in "-H" mode like in less. |
| 20:01.54 | *** join/#debian lsv_ (~nn@CPE84948c2eddc1-CM84948c2eddc0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 20:02.17 | vlt | stealth_: Searching for " sd " could help. |
| 20:02.26 | stealth_ | when i do: "ls -l /sys/class/scsi_host/" i get 2 outputs: "host0" and "host1" not sure what that mean. |
| 20:03.11 | vlt | stealth_: No luck in dmesg? |
| 20:04.01 | stealth_ | vlt, i am not sure what i am looking for, i have stuff like: ata1:.. ata2 .. is that it? |
| 20:05.32 | *** join/#debian Jazz86 (~massimo@net-93-148-80-178.cust.dsl.teletu.it) |
| 20:05.36 | jmcnaught | 'dmesg | grep -A20 scsi' |
| 20:06.02 | stealth_ | jmcnaught, i tried that, nothing |
| 20:06.02 | *** join/#debian drmagoo (~drmagoo@c80-216-66-166.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 20:06.03 | *** join/#debian wambo (~wambo@91.214.169.174) |
| 20:06.21 | *** join/#debian k-t (~kt@p5DE8406A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:06.24 | jmcnaught | stealth_: as in, the word scsi is not in your dmesg output? |
| 20:06.40 | *** join/#debian mavhq (~quassel@cpc77319-basf12-2-0-cust433.12-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 20:06.49 | jmcnaught | stealth_: is the drive plugged in? |
| 20:07.11 | stealth_ | jmcnaught, suppose so, its in, lights on and all. |
| 20:07.45 | *** join/#debian iflema (~ian@2001:8003:2045:4600:305f:319b:9f74:6a6b) |
| 20:07.56 | jmcnaught | stealth_: try a different disk, or same disk in a different slot? |
| 20:08.18 | vlt | stealth_: Can you paste the output of `dmesg | grep " sd " | nc termbin.com 9999` somewhere? |
| 20:08.20 | *** join/#debian lel (~lel@unaffiliated/lel) |
| 20:08.32 | vlt | stealth_: I mean here. |
| 20:09.16 | stealth_ | vlt there is 0 output for those! |
| 20:09.30 | stealth_ | jmcnaught, i will try different slot, brb. |
| 20:10.28 | *** join/#debian stargazer (~stargazer@2a02:c7d:5da6:e900:4a5a:b6ff:fe8b:c313) |
| 20:11.39 | *** part/#debian mskree (~michael@c-24-118-25-209.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 20:11.48 | *** join/#debian lstieb (~lstieb@84-113-194-77.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) |
| 20:12.00 | *** part/#debian ewew (~ewew@unaffiliated/ewew) |
| 20:12.05 | Logg | Regarding Don'tBreakDebian: I guess it makes my life harder, but I still like the "overall stability" Debian Stable brings paired with "some new packages". "Don't break Debian" also suggests that I don't use Ubuntu PPAs (I do for Iridium-browser) or installing software outside repositories (I do for Pale Moon). This guideline is great for avoiding a broken system, but following all these suggestions would disqualify Debian as a distro I can use in the real |
| 20:12.06 | Logg | world. I'd have to become a package maintainer, and I'm not sure some projects would even want one even if I was willing to. |
| 20:12.13 | stealth_ | o here we go, got and output for dmesg.. |
| 20:13.14 | *** join/#debian beencubed (~beencubed@209.131.238.248) |
| 20:13.19 | jmcnaught | Logg: third party repos can cause problems during upgrades especially. Also Ubuntu PPAs are generally software compiled for Ubuntu, and Ubuntu and Debian are not binary compatible (even if it works some times) |
| 20:13.41 | *** join/#debian lel (~lel@unaffiliated/lel) |
| 20:14.16 | *** join/#debian macartur (uid39242@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lgjodxpfoadidlid) |
| 20:14.31 | jmcnaught | Logg: for palemoon and other smaller browser projects, i'm extremely skeptical that they are capable of dealing with security problems as effectively as Mozilla and Debian security teams are |
| 20:15.43 | *** join/#debian CustosL1men (~CustosLim@unaffiliated/cust0slim3n) |
| 20:15.52 | stealth_ | all right guys thank you very much :) |
| 20:16.16 | *** join/#debian lethu_ (~lethu@unaffiliated/lethu) |
| 20:16.33 | jmcnaught | stealth_: was it the slot, or just dmesg getting spammed to much and the messages were already gone? |
| 20:17.49 | *** join/#debian earthundead (~earthunde@78.25.121.224) |
| 20:18.35 | stealth_ | jmcnaught, think it might have been the slot, as soon i tried next empty slot it got detected. Maybe the drive wasn't fully in! who knows... those drive bays can be bit weird at times! |
| 20:19.19 | *** join/#debian lel (~lel@unaffiliated/lel) |
| 20:20.13 | Logg | I don't understand the philosophy of just "not running" programs if there's no other way to get them. The worst that can happen is that they crash... versus them being in a permanent state of "crashed" when you don't install them. Everything works fine on my "frankendebian" except for when Aptitude suggests that I kill my system. Pale Moon is fine btw; iridium-browser is just chromium - google. |
| 20:20.19 | *** join/#debian keltim (~keltim@199.167.137.205) |
| 20:20.49 | *** join/#debian otyugh_II (~otyugh_V@ARennes-251-1-223-210.w2-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:20.58 | *** join/#debian yokisuci (~yokisuci@m83-185-246-21.cust.tele2.se) |
| 20:21.04 | *** join/#debian danielmx (~danielmx@host86-156-124-65.range86-156.btcentralplus.com) |
| 20:21.24 | danielmx | hi anyone know how to uninstall compiled version of conky |
| 20:21.48 | somiaj | danielmx: did you install it with 'make install'? |
| 20:22.14 | jmcnaught | Logg: the worst is that you try to do an upgrade and it fails because of wrong dependency information introduced by the non-Debian packages. If you really need to use a browser not in Debian, you could install the tarball in /opt or /usr/local for example. |
| 20:22.36 | danielmx | yes somiaj |
| 20:22.54 | danielmx | tried sudo cmake uninstall |
| 20:23.10 | danielmx | somiaj, i used cmake sorry |
| 20:23.31 | somiaj | danielmx: if conky dosen't contain an uninstall target, you'll have to manually delete the stuff it installed. Most likey it is in /usr/local |
| 20:23.47 | somiaj | danielmx: in the future you can use software like gnu stow and check-install to help manage locally installed stuff from source. |
| 20:24.17 | somiaj | there may be a log of what files it actually copied over and you can just delete them all. |
| 20:24.52 | *** join/#debian sm00th (~sm00th@unaffiliated/sm00th) |
| 20:26.28 | *** join/#debian kiril (~kiril@freebsd/lover/kiril) |
| 20:26.30 | kiril | hello |
| 20:26.46 | kiril | who's responsible for the update of weechat package? |
| 20:26.55 | danielmx | somiaj, thanks just looking for a log file |
| 20:27.13 | somiaj | kiril: the matainer. What is it you are wanting? |
| 20:27.30 | *** join/#debian iiaann (~ian@cpc76508-clyd5-2-0-cust137.14-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 20:28.07 | *** join/#debian bleb (~bleb@c-76-121-105-211.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 20:28.29 | bleb | How can I determine which font packages are in active use on my system currently? |
| 20:28.54 | kiril | somiaj: the current version is too out of date |
| 20:28.58 | somiaj | bleb: not entirelly sure on that. But there is deborphan wich is useful in tracking down libaries that are not needed any more |
| 20:29.02 | *** join/#debian _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@92.176.142.156) |
| 20:29.05 | somiaj | ,v weechat |
| 20:29.06 | judd | Package: weechat on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.4.3-2~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1.0.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.0.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.5-1; sid: 1.6-1 |
| 20:29.06 | kiril | can be updated with latest satble? |
| 20:29.18 | kiril | stable * |
| 20:29.34 | *** join/#debian Starky (~Starky@unaffiliated/starky) |
| 20:29.34 | *** join/#debian joeel84 (~joseph@98.215.59.228) |
| 20:29.41 | kiril | kiril@Zeus(~/.weechat)$ weechat -v |
| 20:29.41 | kiril | 1.0.1 |
| 20:29.44 | kiril | ... |
| 20:29.53 | somiaj | kiril: debian stable is a frozen system and the packages that freeze with it don't get upgraded to newer versions. So in jessie the version of weechat is 1.0.1. But in this case the matainer has provided the version 1.5 in jessie backports. So you can install it from jessie backports if you want. |
| 20:29.56 | *** join/#debian shovel_boss (~shovel_bo@unaffiliated/shovel-boss/x-4881665) |
| 20:30.02 | somiaj | note jessie-backport packages don't get the same security support as jessie packages. |
| 20:30.15 | *** part/#debian danielmx (~danielmx@host86-156-124-65.range86-156.btcentralplus.com) |
| 20:33.00 | *** join/#debian mihaicmn (~mihaicmn@79.113.79.105) |
| 20:33.36 | *** join/#debian allizom (~Thunderbi@host105-175-dynamic.36-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 20:33.50 | *** join/#debian mik (mik@unaffiliated/mik) |
| 20:35.25 | *** join/#debian Khudher (~K@khudher.rocks) |
| 20:35.39 | *** join/#debian johnnyfive (~johnnyfiv@unaffiliated/isalive) |
| 20:36.21 | Khudher | Hello, I run debian 9 `stretch` on my laptop, sometimes my laptop hangs on shutdown (happened in jessie as well), i looked in syslog for more info here is the output : |
| 20:36.27 | Khudher | Oct 8 05:34:44 Ecvk-WS rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="8.16.0" x-pid="2893" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] exiting on signal 15. |
| 20:36.30 | Khudher | what does this mean? |
| 20:37.36 | *** join/#debian satbyy (~Satish_By@freeshell.de) |
| 20:37.39 | *** join/#debian satbyy (~Satish_By@unaffiliated/satbyy) |
| 20:38.00 | *** join/#debian r0ncalli (~pommes@95.211.138.132) |
| 20:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1626] by debhelper |
| 20:40.22 | *** join/#debian th0r (~th0r@tx-184-7-56-237.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 20:41.00 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-93-31-57.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 20:43.15 | *** join/#debian cpc26_ (~cpc26@2602:306:8b94:d1f0:117c:715a:4017:fd31) |
| 20:44.28 | *** join/#debian hmmhesays (~hmmhesays@64.135.116.184) |
| 20:45.44 | Epakai | it means rsyslog exited after it received a signal 15, this is normal |
| 20:47.05 | *** part/#debian eszett2 (~eszett@ipservice-092-217-188-164.092.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 20:49.00 | *** part/#debian kiril (~kiril@freebsd/lover/kiril) |
| 20:51.37 | *** join/#debian RebelCoder (~Yuriy@cpc74579-lewi13-2-0-cust201.2-4.cable.virginm.net) |
| 20:53.25 | *** join/#debian naos62 (~naos62@unaffiliated/naos62) |
| 20:53.41 | Scuttle | hm, is there a page or something that tracks new and updated packages in the debian repo? |
| 20:53.47 | *** join/#debian mavhq (~quassel@cpc77319-basf12-2-0-cust433.12-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 20:54.19 | drmagoo | Hi, is it possible to figure out which process is making a dns request ? I have some kinda odd request in the logs of my dns-server and I'm trying to figure out what it might be. (something is doing a query for the A-record of api-github.com about 100 times every minute or so ( that is 100 queries in a second and then waits for a minute) |
| 20:55.39 | *** join/#debian sun-O (~Mutter@2a02:810b:240:344:88d:999d:adb2:b880) |
| 20:55.47 | *** join/#debian minamoto_ (~marcin@5.79.86.129) |
| 20:57.34 | *** join/#debian jass93__ (~ifillj@rrcs-24-39-217-250.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 20:59.23 | vlt | drmagoo: Possible. You can chain netstat and ps somwhow. |
| 21:00.07 | drmagoo | vlt: any idea on how ? |
| 21:01.35 | vlt | netstat has "-p" |
| 21:01.57 | vlt | netstat -anpu should show you udp connections |
| 21:03.19 | *** join/#debian satbyy (~Satish_By@freeshell.de) |
| 21:03.19 | *** join/#debian satbyy (~Satish_By@unaffiliated/satbyy) |
| 21:03.42 | *** join/#debian shyam-id-au (caaba4bb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.171.164.187) |
| 21:04.04 | vlt | When you take the pid and match it to ps or /proc/<pid> you can find out. |
| 21:04.28 | vlt | Maybe thereâs also something much, much easier :) |
| 21:04.36 | *** join/#debian Anwarias (~quassel@xdsl-89-0-19-65.netcologne.de) |
| 21:06.23 | drmagoo | vlt: There probably is, but that doesnt help with its an ID:10T-error. Its the web-based logparser on the dns-server that makes the client do the requests =( |
| 21:07.14 | *** join/#debian ws2k3 (~freenodey@5ED63332.cm-7-7a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 21:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1619] by debhelper |
| 21:08.29 | *** join/#debian Harm133 (~Harm133@213.204.255.106) |
| 21:08.36 | *** join/#debian henk_ (freenodeyc@bnc.freegamehosting.eu) |
| 21:09.06 | *** join/#debian shad0VV (~shad0VV@46.246.241.23.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) |
| 21:10.02 | drmagoo | vlt: thanks for the help, =) |
| 21:11.44 | allizom | Scuttle: Have a look at https://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html specifically the -announce lists like debian-announce debian-security-announce and debian-stable-announce |
| 21:11.51 | *** join/#debian winston_obrien (~winston_o@213.152.161.85) |
| 21:12.16 | *** part/#debian Harm133 (~Harm133@213.204.255.106) |
| 21:15.58 | *** join/#debian buffal0 (~buffal0@47.201.72.239) |
| 21:17.39 | *** join/#debian thunderrd_ (~thunderrd@110.78.151.37) |
| 21:19.01 | *** join/#debian steventog (uid187891@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dizpgimoaqzgdpuu) |
| 21:19.46 | *** join/#debian bolt (r00t@unaffiliated/bolt) |
| 21:23.05 | *** join/#debian MarkusMagnusson (~MarkusMag@c-951be455.040-475-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 21:24.22 | *** join/#debian _abc_ (~user@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) |
| 21:24.42 | stealth_ | easy way to add new drive/mount to fstab? or manually edit /etc/fstab? |
| 21:25.13 | *** join/#debian msjche (~msjche@unaffiliated/msjche) |
| 21:26.03 | *** join/#debian bolt (r00t@unaffiliated/bolt) |
| 21:26.19 | _abc_ | Hello. I have one hell of a lot of trouble with firefox 45.x which forcibly replaced iceweasel on wheezy. I downgraded forcibly to iceweasel using aptitude and pinned it with =. Surely there are ways to not foist broken software upon users? The 'new' firefox does not work over network/remote X11 ssh -Y session and causes all sorts of trouble with plugins and locking up user controls in HTML5 play which canno |
| 21:26.25 | _abc_ | t be disabled. Does anyone actually test ... |
| 21:26.27 | _abc_ | ... key features, like playing youtube on the new browser, before releasing it to debian users? |
| 21:29.22 | *** join/#debian marrrc (~marrrc@HSI-KBW-5-56-215-45.hsi17.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 21:30.15 | *** join/#debian patterson (~patterson@73.93.142.188) |
| 21:30.17 | *** join/#debian Y04NN (~y04nn@nayon.fr) |
| 21:34.26 | vlt | stealth_: Manually. You can look if thereâs /etc/mtab ander manual mounting and maybe you just have to copy one line. |
| 21:37.31 | *** join/#debian OS-24754 (~OS-24754@36.255.218.139.sta.dodo.net.au) |
| 21:37.52 | stealth_ | vlt, ok will edit it, not sure why always feel weird manually editing that file! seems like a easy way to screw up the whole stat up process. |
| 21:38.12 | *** join/#debian Cavedude (~Cavedude@unaffiliated/cavedude) |
| 21:38.19 | *** part/#debian OS-24754 (~OS-24754@36.255.218.139.sta.dodo.net.au) |
| 21:39.19 | vlt | It surely is. |
| 21:39.39 | *** join/#debian mrdeb (d07dfcab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.125.252.171) |
| 21:39.44 | mrdeb | hi all |
| 21:39.53 | jmcnaught | _abc_: i'm not using wheezy anymore (for more than a year) but firefox-esr 45 works okay here.. though i never try it over ssh |
| 21:39.58 | mrdeb | is sid ok to use or will things die |
| 21:40.06 | mrdeb | i mean i am using it now and it runs ok |
| 21:41.43 | *** join/#debian moestevens (~moe@gateway/tor-sasl/moestevens) |
| 21:43.11 | satbyy | mrdeb: it's not a question of _if_ but _when_ |
| 21:43.33 | mrdeb | ok |
| 21:43.38 | mrdeb | so what now |
| 21:44.00 | *** join/#debian yokisuci (~yokisuci@m83-185-246-21.cust.tele2.se) |
| 21:44.16 | satbyy | continue use it until it breaks down ? |
| 21:44.30 | jmcnaught | mrdeb: you should use Debian Stable if you want a low maintenance computer. |
| 21:44.41 | mrdeb | i am running xfce with sid |
| 21:45.25 | *** join/#debian molluskempire (~quassel@c-71-229-246-2.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 21:45.28 | *** join/#debian notafed (~lmao@185.21.216.185) |
| 21:45.38 | yokisuci | mrdeb: Don't run Sid if you absolutely have to |
| 21:46.01 | molluskempire | so iwconfig isn't reachable on the manpages |
| 21:46.01 | mrdeb | i dled an iso with it, so i have to stay on sid with it |
| 21:46.10 | *** join/#debian Starky (~Starky@unaffiliated/starky) |
| 21:46.41 | *** join/#debian murfjr (~lmao@185.21.216.185) |
| 21:47.15 | *** join/#debian smw_ (~smw@unaffiliated/smw) |
| 21:47.21 | molluskempire | I'm trying to see Debian can't find any wireless networks when I've got functioning firmware on my broadcom card and also just got a thinkpenguin N adapter so I could remove that firmware and use non-proprietary drivers instead. |
| 21:47.38 | *** join/#debian murfjr (~lmao@185.21.216.185) |
| 21:47.46 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip68-14-181-94.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 21:47.57 | mrdeb | when is deb 9 out |
| 21:48.14 | *** join/#debian js9600 (~js9600@87-57-20-106-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net) |
| 21:48.19 | somiaj | mrdeb: freeze happens in november, and 4-6 months (give or take) after that. |
| 21:48.31 | mrdeb | so next month sid is stable? |
| 21:48.37 | mrdeb | not too long |
| 21:48.44 | somiaj | sid well never be stable |
| 21:48.46 | missmbob | mrdeb: no |
| 21:48.53 | mrdeb | sid is stretch now |
| 21:48.57 | missmbob | mrdeb: no |
| 21:49.07 | mrdeb | so maybe i can change sources to stretch and it will stabilize |
| 21:49.08 | mrdeb | ok thanks |
| 21:49.13 | somiaj | next month, stretch will freeze, but it still takes time for it to become stable. all known rc bugs need to get fixed or adressed |
| 21:49.29 | mrdeb | what bugs |
| 21:49.55 | missmbob | i dont buy it anymore |
| 21:50.01 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 21:51.00 | mrdeb | i dont understand that list |
| 21:51.06 | mrdeb | does it mean it wont boot or what |
| 21:51.54 | *** join/#debian nikoma (~nikoma@ip4-95-82-164-56.cust.nbox.cz) |
| 21:52.19 | somiaj | debian has tens of thousands of packages. These are bugs that are considered serious or grave in the package. A user may only encounter a few of them, but debian will address them all before stretch is released. Look at the blue line, notice how it gets near zero (that is when jessie was released -- of course more rc bugs were found after that point) |
| 21:52.20 | *** join/#debian buffal0 (~buffal0@47.201.72.239) |
| 21:52.28 | *** join/#debian murfjr (~realname@185.21.216.185) |
| 21:52.43 | somiaj | sorry, follow the green line (the blue line does a strange jump) |
| 21:53.23 | mrdeb | r there bugs in xfce now |
| 21:53.24 | somiaj | and sometimes debian decides to ignore an rc bug over fix it, so it may not drop all the way to zero. But that is what is done during the freeze. All rc bugs are addressed. |
| 21:53.28 | somiaj | most likely |
| 21:53.41 | somiaj | some are just minor or wishlist. |
| 21:53.50 | mrdeb | well it is working now |
| 21:54.08 | missmbob | i have a test box where thunar crashes pretty regularly when moving files. fun times |
| 21:54.20 | mrdeb | missmbob: on sid? |
| 21:54.25 | missmbob | the point is just because you dont see it doesnt mean it's there |
| 21:54.35 | mrdeb | i have it open and it doesn crash |
| 21:54.40 | missmbob | it's stretch. which is not sid. dont know where you got that idea |
| 21:54.50 | mrdeb | stretch is on sid right now |
| 21:54.53 | missmbob | no it's not |
| 21:54.56 | somiaj | yea bugs that affect rare use cases still need to be addressed even if most people won't run into it. |
| 21:55.00 | mrdeb | at boot up it even says stretch/sid |
| 21:55.10 | missmbob | stretch is testing. sid is not stretch. |
| 21:55.12 | somiaj | mrdeb: stretch and sid are different (But they are close) |
| 21:55.15 | mrdeb | no |
| 21:55.20 | mrdeb | i will prove it to u |
| 21:55.27 | mrdeb | do "cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:55.41 | missmbob | if you dont want to listen and remain ignorant why ask questions? |
| 21:55.49 | somiaj | for debian-next that will say stretch/sid if you are running either stretch or sid. But it doesn't mean they are the same. |
| 21:55.49 | mrdeb | i am corret |
| 21:55.59 | *** join/#debian luckman212 (~luckman21@unaffiliated/luckman212) |
| 21:56.00 | mrdeb | stretch is in sid status |
| 21:56.05 | mrdeb | thats lal |
| 21:56.30 | missmbob | mrdeb: then you know more than us. so asking us questions is pointless. |
| 21:56.49 | mrdeb | no i wont |
| 21:56.51 | mrdeb | dont |
| 21:56.56 | mrdeb | i am just correct on this point |
| 21:57.01 | mrdeb | thank u |
| 21:57.09 | missmbob | then why is no one else backing you up? |
| 21:57.36 | mrdeb | i said cat |
| 21:57.46 | mrdeb | and world people most thought was flat too, ok? |
| 21:57.51 | mrdeb | means nothing |
| 21:58.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1609] by debhelper |
| 21:58.02 | *** join/#debian kimico (~kimico@static.21.138.9.176.clients.your-server.de) |
| 21:58.07 | *** join/#debian murfjr (~realname@185.21.216.185) |
| 21:58.41 | *** join/#debian Wire (~quassel@heerscharen.net) |
| 21:59.07 | *** join/#debian cruncher (~cruncher@unaffiliated/cruncher) |
| 21:59.12 | *** join/#debian tsuggs (~tim@adsl-074-171-024-060.sip.int.bellsouth.net) |
| 21:59.14 | *** join/#debian teapot41 (~quassel@unaffiliated/teapot41) |
| 21:59.31 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: thanks for sharing that. I assume your machines are not >10 years old either. ssh -Y testing is MANDATORY. |
| 21:59.50 | _abc_ | One of the things which sets linux apart from windows and mac is usability over lan and wan of all machine aspects. |
| 21:59.53 | molluskempire | Can anyone direct me to configuring a wireless network in Debian. I have firmware working according to dmesg but only wired connections are available. I tried to check the manpages but iwconfig leads to a 404 |
| 22:00.00 | _abc_ | Without using rdp vnc and other nightmares. |
| 22:00.14 | molluskempire | ?* |
| 22:00.19 | _abc_ | molluskempire: new iwconfig is called iw |
| 22:00.32 | molluskempire | hurng, alrighty. That should be updated. |
| 22:00.34 | mrdeb | older machines work best on linux |
| 22:00.43 | _abc_ | mrdeb: *used to work |
| 22:00.43 | mrdeb | my pc is from 2006 |
| 22:00.45 | somiaj | molluskempire: depends on what you want to do. Many just use software like network-manager to do this. Debian allows this to be configured via /etc/interfaces. I use wpa_supplicant myself. |
| 22:00.52 | _abc_ | Before the gtk and gnome crowd upped the bar |
| 22:01.13 | mrdeb | they sill work ok just not on intel atom |
| 22:01.21 | somiaj | molluskempire: sorry, /etc/network/interfaces can be used to configure wifi as well as lan in debian. |
| 22:01.22 | mrdeb | but gnome is misguided after 3 |
| 22:01.33 | _abc_ | ff >40 or so defaults to html5 play on youtube. If you have anything less than 2x2GHz cpu it will be a slug |
| 22:01.33 | somiaj | mrdeb: please keep the noise down. |
| 22:01.39 | *** join/#debian moestevens (~moe@unaffiliated/moestevens) |
| 22:01.43 | molluskempire | somiaj, I'll point out I'm a giant noob to Linux. I've spent a lot of time on Debian based distros but never on debian core. I'll start poking around though. |
| 22:01.43 | mrdeb | what sonia |
| 22:02.19 | somiaj | molluskempire: do you want to do this from the command line or would a graphical utility be prefered? |
| 22:02.44 | *** join/#debian buffal0 (~buffal0@47.201.72.239) |
| 22:02.59 | molluskempire | somiaj, gaphical utility is prefered but I don't mind the command line and honestly it will probably help me understand the underlying system better. |
| 22:03.19 | somiaj | molluskempire: did you install a desktop with debian. Most will just use network-manager which should be included with your desktop. |
| 22:03.31 | *** join/#debian sz0 (uid110435@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-twyqbavghakoatmj) |
| 22:03.55 | molluskempire | somiaj, yes I installed LXDE and have network manager. IT says it sees no wireless networks. |
| 22:04.10 | somiaj | molluskempire: have you rebooted since you isnatlled the firmware? |
| 22:04.35 | molluskempire | Yes, i have rebooted |
| 22:04.44 | _abc_ | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-wpa-wpa2-wireless-wifi-networking/ molluskempire see the dmesg part |
| 22:04.49 | mrdeb | molluskempire: did u do network-manager-gnome and start teh applet in lxde? |
| 22:05.58 | _abc_ | molluskempire: also for how things really work (pay attention to 'legacy' marks) https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html 5.5 |
| 22:06.03 | *** join/#debian Harm133 (~Harm133@213.204.255.106) |
| 22:06.40 | Harm133 | Hey, if I would use configure and make on a specific system, could I copy and paste that on another system and run the install there? |
| 22:06.42 | molluskempire | _abc thanks I'll check those out. |
| 22:06.51 | somiaj | molluskempire: I'm unsure why network-manager is not seeing the networks then. can I get the output of 'dmesg | grep firmware'? |
| 22:07.28 | *** part/#debian Slumlord_ (~Slumlord_@172.58.153.50) |
| 22:07.43 | somiaj | Harm133: provided all the same libaries are installed the binaries should work on another system. But in that case building a package might be a better way to manage installing/removing this on another system. |
| 22:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1617] by debhelper |
| 22:08.01 | molluskempire | mrdeb, I'm actually accessing it through a direct click on my network applet in the taskbar which brings it to Wicd Network Manager. I'll try to run from command line now. |
| 22:08.16 | molluskempire | Somiaj, I will go ahead and paste in one moment. |
| 22:08.23 | somiaj | molluskempire: wicd and network-manager are different. But both can accomplish the same thing. |
| 22:08.27 | Harm133 | somiaj: its old version of php, and I want multiple versions, which isn't supported on debian. But thx :) |
| 22:08.33 | mrdeb | u can use intels nm |
| 22:08.45 | _abc_ | molluskempire: basically if your wifi card/dongle is not fully configured ifconfig -a as root will not show it. |
| 22:09.43 | AlexPortable | E: The package webmin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 22:09.46 | AlexPortable | how do i fix this |
| 22:09.50 | Harm133 | somiaj: or do you mean I can build my own package ? |
| 22:10.32 | somiaj | AlexPortable: debian doesn't provide a webmin package, so you need to figure out where you got that package. This is what debian thinks of webmin |
| 22:10.34 | *** join/#debian chomwitt1 (~chomwitt@ppp-94-66-60-103.home.otenet.gr) |
| 22:10.35 | somiaj | !webmin |
| 22:10.35 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 22:10.44 | AlexPortable | somiaj: i got it via sources.list |
| 22:10.46 | AlexPortable | now how do i remove it? |
| 22:11.33 | somiaj | Harm133: my suggestion was if you want to distribute software across multiple machines, building a package may be a nicer way to do this. Though maybe gnu stow could help too if you just want to copy the binaries to a new system. |
| 22:11.38 | *** join/#debian TomasCZ (~TomasCZ@yes.tenlab.net) |
| 22:11.39 | somiaj | AlexPortable: apt-get remove packagename |
| 22:12.01 | AlexPortable | Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: The package webmin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 22:12.32 | *** join/#debian blueness (~blueness@gentoo/developer/blueness) |
| 22:12.38 | somiaj | AlexPortable: dpkg -l | grep webmin (maybe the package is in a defunct state). You can try to use dpkg to remove it. |
| 22:12.55 | AlexPortable | iHR webmin 1.820 all web-based administration interface for Unix systems |
| 22:13.13 | AlexPortable | dpkg: error processing package webmin (--remove): package is in a very bad inconsistent state; you should reinstall it before attempting a removal Errors were encountered while processing: webmin |
| 22:13.13 | dpkg | alexportable: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 22:13.19 | *** join/#debian Guest01913 (~Guest0191@c-73-28-214-95.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 22:13.29 | *** join/#debian velix (~velix@p508DD718.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:13.38 | Guest01913 | jes |
| 22:13.49 | velix | Hmm, what can't I do "sudo -u www-user <cmd>"? |
| 22:14.07 | *** part/#debian Guest01913 (~Guest0191@c-73-28-214-95.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 22:14.07 | *** join/#debian buffal0 (~buffal0@47.201.72.239) |
| 22:14.25 | somiaj | AlexPortable: that package is broken. At this point I'm unsure the best way to fix your system. dpkg has some options to force things, but you may have to maunally fix this broken package you have isntalled from some random source. |
| 22:16.15 | somiaj | velix: what error do you get when you try to do that? |
| 22:16.24 | AlexPortable | how do i fix it? |
| 22:16.38 | teraflops | AlexPortable: I see you persisted with that *thing* and now your system is broken |
| 22:16.48 | AlexPortable | yes |
| 22:16.59 | AlexPortable | it works fine on other systems but here it got stuck during unpacking |
| 22:17.24 | teraflops | I fell bad for you, perhaps it's a signal from $DEITY |
| 22:17.43 | velix | somiaj: sudo: unknown user: www-user | sudo: unable to initialize policy plugin |
| 22:18.04 | somiaj | velix: grep www-user /etc/passwd (I don't have a user by that name) |
| 22:18.19 | teraflops | feel* |
| 22:18.26 | velix | somiaj: oh hell, it's www-data :) |
| 22:18.37 | velix | somiaj: thx |
| 22:18.46 | molluskempire | so, http://paste.debian.net/858518/ |
| 22:19.24 | molluskempire | My usb firmware is nowhere to be seen and I haven't set it up... not sure how at this point but I haven't bothered to read up on think penguin I've been more concerned trying to get the broadcom chipset to work. |
| 22:19.45 | molluskempire | So I'll get to that later, but the b43 firmware seems to be doing just fine. |
| 22:20.13 | somiaj | molluskempire: ip addr (do you have a wlan0 interface set up for your wireless device)? |
| 22:20.34 | *** join/#debian alex1a (~alex1a@a81-84-38-221.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 22:21.50 | AlexPortable | teraflops: what do you mean? |
| 22:21.54 | molluskempire | 4: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000 |
| 22:21.54 | molluskempire | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.54 | molluskempire | I don't think so as I've not set up anything. |
| 22:22.17 | AlexPortable | teraflops: actually im trying to install something else |
| 22:22.20 | AlexPortable | but webmin is blocking it |
| 22:22.24 | teraflops | AlexPortable: $DEITY is telling you: don't use that crap |
| 22:22.32 | AlexPortable | $DEITY ? |
| 22:22.38 | somiaj | AlexPortable: you can try to force it with the various dpkg --force options (man dpkg for more info) to see if you can fix this broken package. But webmin packages are not supported here. And unsure how badly it broke your system and if it is recoverable or you should backup/reinstall. |
| 22:22.51 | AlexPortable | well its stuck at unpacking webmin |
| 22:22.55 | somiaj | molluskempire: grep wlan0 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:22.55 | AlexPortable | i just canceled it there |
| 22:23.04 | AlexPortable | unpacking is debian problem |
| 22:23.13 | *** join/#debian BWMerlin (~Thunderbi@142.45.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 22:23.16 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip68-14-181-94.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 22:23.22 | missmbob | no no no. installing random crap from other places is not a debian problem |
| 22:23.25 | *** join/#debian buffal0 (~buffal0@47.201.72.239) |
| 22:23.43 | AlexPortable | well why would it fail to unpack then |
| 22:23.49 | Harm133 | just to get into this issue, this is regarding webmin? why are people hating on it? |
| 22:24.06 | molluskempire | somiaj, I get no output |
| 22:24.06 | missmbob | AlexPortable: because it's crap. didnt you read what the bot said about it being crap? or about dont break debian? |
| 22:24.15 | AlexPortable | yes i read it |
| 22:24.16 | somiaj | molluskempire: iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 22:24.20 | AlexPortable | but every other system installed just fine |
| 22:24.32 | teraflops | it's a variable, here is https://ptpb.pw/cS0K.png |
| 22:24.44 | missmbob | AlexPortable: great. are you going to look into forcing it or are we going to keep going in circles? |
| 22:24.59 | AlexPortable | missmbob: well i just want to install apache |
| 22:25.20 | molluskempire | somiaj, wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 22:25.43 | somiaj | molluskempire: ifconfig wlan0 up -- then run that command. |
| 22:26.35 | teraflops | AlexPortable: now seriously, it's not in debian repos how can I help going against channel rules and creating a precedent |
| 22:26.54 | *** join/#debian allizom (~Thunderbi@host116-164-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 22:26.59 | AlexPortable | so what should i do now? |
| 22:27.04 | AlexPortable | why is it blocking like installing apache |
| 22:27.35 | molluskempire | Got a good number of cells of output, somiaj. |
| 22:27.49 | somiaj | AlexPortable: you ahve to fix this broken package that has corrupted your database. One way is to try and use dpkg to force fully uninstall it and hope that there are no artifiacts left behind. But I feel this has been mentioned before. |
| 22:27.59 | AlexPortable | well --remove didnt work |
| 22:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1611] by debhelper |
| 22:28.01 | AlexPortable | how to forcei t? |
| 22:28.10 | missmbob | man dpkg |
| 22:28.14 | somiaj | molluskempire: so the iwlist wlan0 scan listed a bunch of output (like it correctly scanned for your wireless networks -- do any of the names seem reasonable |
| 22:29.27 | AlexPortable | E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 22:29.27 | AlexPortable | E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 22:30.08 | *** join/#debian serard (~pi@cim06-3-78-238-25-117.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 22:31.04 | *** join/#debian socomm (~socomm@97-90-17-109.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) |
| 22:31.40 | *** join/#debian jak2013 (~jak2000@189.155.50.134) |
| 22:32.06 | *** join/#debian beencubed (~beencubed@209.131.238.248) |
| 22:32.20 | *** join/#debian styvy (~styvy@xd9bce3cc.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 22:32.34 | molluskempire | Ah, yes my network is here. |
| 22:32.37 | stealth_ | AlexPortable, it just means you have another program open that has a lock reserved for itself. |
| 22:32.43 | cast | i'd reinstall the OS if someone installed webmin on one of my servers ;\ |
| 22:32.58 | molluskempire | Somiaj, I found my network. It's definitely there. Also all of the cells were recognizable names. |
| 22:33.06 | somiaj | molluskempire: so now we just need to figure out why wicd isn't not correctly scaning/picking up the network. |
| 22:33.07 | *** join/#debian axisys (~axisys@unaffiliated/axisys) |
| 22:33.37 | somiaj | molluskempire: but looks like your device is working. Though manually configuring it probably isn't what you want to do, so I would restart wicd and see if that helps it. |
| 22:33.50 | molluskempire | Alright, give me a moment. |
| 22:34.10 | AlexPortable | thx |
| 22:34.49 | *** join/#debian buffal0 (~buffal0@47.201.72.239) |
| 22:34.53 | *** join/#debian Achylles (~Achylles@191.193.111.5) |
| 22:34.55 | *** join/#debian ferna (~ferna@2001:19f0:a06:600:219:d1ff:fe26:e170) |
| 22:35.10 | ferna | how to run top from command line sorting by Memory? |
| 22:35.45 | somiaj | ferna: run top, use < and > to move the category that is sorted by. man top for more info on this |
| 22:36.22 | ferna | I thought theres was a cooman line solution Thanks anyway somiaj |
| 22:36.43 | somiaj | ferna: man top, there might be a flag that sorts by mem by default when it is run. I was just describe what i use. |
| 22:37.36 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip68-14-181-94.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 22:37.59 | ferna | Thanks again |
| 22:38.01 | somiaj | ferna: or are you just wanting to get a snapshot of data and not active monintoring like top? |
| 22:38.34 | ferna | where is the conf file for top so i cn edit and just tell it to give me cpu ram user and command instead off all the input? |
| 22:39.18 | *** join/#debian doflamingo (~doflaming@112.215.154.196) |
| 22:39.45 | somiaj | ferna: /etc/toprc for system, '$HOME/.your-name-4-top' + 'rc' for the user. man page has more info on this. |
| 22:40.03 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.18 | ferna | Thanks |
| 22:41.25 | mrdeb | where can u instlal gnome 2.32 on debian 8 |
| 22:42.01 | *** join/#debian LNJ2GO (~lnj@x55b2d2c7.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 22:42.08 | missmbob | mrdeb: 3.22, you mean? |
| 22:42.17 | mrdeb | no i mean the good gnome 2 |
| 22:42.21 | somiaj | mrdeb: for gnome2 use mate. |
| 22:42.25 | doflamingo | hello. anyone can help me.. why my numlock ON after login.. and when logout, it's back to OFF.. |
| 22:42.31 | mrdeb | i know about mate, but mate is worse than gnome 2 |
| 22:42.33 | mrdeb | i want gnome 2 |
| 22:42.54 | somiaj | mrdeb: no supported way for this. You are welcome to compile it and install it locally, but that isn't supported here. |
| 22:43.21 | teraflops | even mate is going to gtk3 |
| 22:43.48 | mrdeb | so debian 7 uses gnome 2 |
| 22:44.19 | somiaj | even wheezy was using 3.4. There is no supported release still using gnome2. |
| 22:44.35 | mrdeb | so i can go back to debian 7 |
| 22:44.39 | awal1 | mrdeb, xfce is a very good DE. you can do with it almost just what you want, even make it look just as gnome2 |
| 22:45.08 | somiaj | mrdeb: debian doesn't provide a downgrade path. And wheezy is no longer supported for desktops. So you will have many inscure desktop pacakges if using wheezy. |
| 22:45.17 | molluskempire | somiaj, either quitting wicd from the gui didn't kill it completely or debian thinks it's still running the daemon. |
| 22:45.18 | *** join/#debian CEnnis91 (uid3543@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uxvggxarynsmrwsh) |
| 22:45.28 | *** join/#debian buffal0 (~buffal0@47.201.72.239) |
| 22:45.30 | molluskempire | Which would make sesne seeing as I still have connection. |
| 22:45.37 | somiaj | molluskempire: yea use systemctl to restart it. systemctl restart wicd may be it. |
| 22:45.48 | mrdeb | so they need to stop doing gnome 3, and put in gnome 2 again |
| 22:45.55 | mrdeb | please make sure they hvae a meeting on this |
| 22:46.03 | awal1 | :D |
| 22:46.11 | somiaj | mrdeb: they won't. gnome2 is not supported by anyone these days. |
| 22:47.29 | mrdeb | please have then talk about it |
| 22:47.31 | mrdeb | ty! |
| 22:48.01 | missmbob | "something using stretch and thinks it's sid wants gnome2, pronto!" |
| 22:48.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1603] by debhelper |
| 22:48.05 | *** join/#debian subzero79 (~subzero79@CPE-60-231-84-112.lns8.cha.bigpond.net.au) |
| 22:48.27 | cra1g321 | want gnome 2 ? use xfce or mate |
| 22:48.44 | molluskempire | ran the command and it gave no feedback, wicd gui restart still shows no wireless connections active. |
| 22:48.47 | *** join/#debian bolt (r00t@unaffiliated/bolt) |
| 22:48.51 | *** join/#debian awal1_ (~awal1@199.241.132.84) |
| 22:49.00 | molluskempire | somiaj, think I should do a hard reset of the OS and see if things are running? |
| 22:49.39 | somiaj | molluskempire: you could try and see if it just works. I'm unsure why wicd is not correctly scanning with y our wlan inteface. It looks like it is working. |
| 22:50.44 | *** join/#debian canopus (~canopus@unaffiliated/pierrot) |
| 22:52.02 | molluskempire | worst comes to worst I can just connect to networks through the command line but that's pretty inconvenient. |
| 22:52.44 | *** join/#debian Scourje (uid63311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vgwkvhlicsjewijt) |
| 22:53.18 | *** join/#debian Atomic_m1txT (~atomic@97-123-41-21.albq.qwest.net) |
| 22:55.11 | *** join/#debian buffal0 (~buffal0@47.201.72.239) |
| 22:55.34 | *** join/#debian deemel (~deemel@179.43.173.82) |
| 22:56.01 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip68-14-181-94.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 22:57.46 | *** join/#debian buffal0 (~buffal0@47.201.72.239) |
| 22:57.53 | *** join/#debian th0r (~th0r@tx-184-7-56-237.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 22:57.54 | *** join/#debian molluskempire (~quassel@c-71-229-246-2.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 22:58.38 | molluskempire | Well, that didn't work. |
| 22:59.10 | *** join/#debian buffal0 (~buffal0@47.201.72.239) |
| 22:59.35 | boubou | On $rcmail_config['default_host'] = ''; how can I substitute it by $rcmail_config['default_host'] = 'localhost'; using sed or anything else |
| 22:59.40 | boubou | ?? |
| 23:00.27 | boubou | Tried sed -i "s/^$rcmail_config[\'default_host\'] = .*/$rcmail_config[\'default_host\'] = \'localhost\';/" /etc/roundcube/main.inc.php |
| 23:00.32 | boubou | but it didnt work |
| 23:01.52 | *** join/#debian tom99 (~tom99@38.120.10.99) |
| 23:02.09 | *** part/#debian tom99 (~tom99@38.120.10.99) |
| 23:02.24 | *** join/#debian chomwitt1 (~chomwitt@athedsl-377671.home.otenet.gr) |
| 23:03.24 | molluskempire | That's so wierd. |
| 23:04.34 | molluskempire | Alright |
| 23:04.39 | molluskempire | Just noticed in wicd |
| 23:04.50 | molluskempire | wireless interface is blank. Do I need to set this to wlan0? |
| 23:05.02 | molluskempire | Oh wow |
| 23:05.06 | molluskempire | I'm stupid. |
| 23:05.49 | molluskempire | I'm guessing that wasn't automatically configured because I didn't have the firmware set up for a wireless to even be detected at that point, yeah? |
| 23:06.30 | somiaj | molluskempire: so you got it to work in wicd? good to hear. |
| 23:06.45 | *** join/#debian Richard_Cavell (uid165693@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zhgcuxuilubnqnwf) |
| 23:07.11 | *** join/#debian N3X15 (~Rob@2602:47:2376:e100:4855:8bcb:58ac:8a51) |
| 23:07.20 | molluskempire | Yeah, the wireless interface was left blank. I wonder if this is out there as instructions on the web somewhere. |
| 23:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1596] by debhelper |
| 23:08.13 | *** join/#debian p3rs3us (~jduro@host86-177-56-186.range86-177.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:09.28 | *** join/#debian overrider (~overrider@unaffiliated/overrider) |
| 23:09.41 | *** join/#debian Guest32283 (irc@unaffiliated/mosene) |
| 23:09.41 | *** join/#debian Guest32283 (irc@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hgbaoioncfreexch) |
| 23:09.57 | molluskempire | Woo! Free from the ethernet tether. |
| 23:10.01 | molluskempire | Thank you so much everyone. |
| 23:11.15 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-93-31-57.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 23:11.32 | *** join/#debian SpaceAce (~SpaceAce@58-6-139-192.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:11.41 | ferna | How do I insert after the last line in vi? |
| 23:12.26 | th0r | ferna, 'i' puts you in 'insert' mode |
| 23:12.38 | ferna | Last line please after last line |
| 23:13.04 | *** join/#debian random_numbers (~u28357398@unaffiliated/random-numbers/x-2839473) |
| 23:13.07 | th0r | ferna, go down as far as you can and then hit 'i'. You should then be able to add additional lines with an enter |
| 23:13.13 | *** join/#debian hydr0poniX (~hydr0poni@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/hydr0ponix) |
| 23:13.27 | th0r | ferna, (or add any other text you need) |
| 23:13.59 | th0r | ferna, you might also consider trying nano instead of vi...it is easier to master |
| 23:14.01 | ferna | th0r: Go That will do it , thanks for helping anyway |
| 23:14.36 | *** join/#debian doflamingo (~doflaming@112.215.153.205) |
| 23:14.46 | *** join/#debian shovel_boss (~shovel_bo@unaffiliated/shovel-boss/x-4881665) |
| 23:15.15 | *** join/#debian valeriusL (~valerius@85.26.180.193) |
| 23:15.34 | *** join/#debian asc232 (~Keith@179.38.168.19) |
| 23:17.33 | *** join/#debian murfjr (~realname@185.21.216.185) |
| 23:17.42 | *** join/#debian gdot (~gdot@pD9FEEAA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:18.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1602] by debhelper |
| 23:19.02 | *** join/#debian cdown_ (~cdown@82-132-224-128.dab.02.net) |
| 23:20.07 | somiaj | ferna: http://alvinalexander.com/linux/vi-vim-editor-insert-line-mode -- the closes seems to be 'o' but you'll have to page down to the last line first. |
| 23:20.42 | *** join/#debian random_numbers (~u28357398@unaffiliated/random-numbers/x-2839473) |
| 23:20.49 | random_numbers | My jessie install seems not to honor .xsession |
| 23:20.57 | *** join/#debian arcvile (~root@108-245-107-91.lightspeed.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:21.17 | somiaj | random_numbers: not honor it in what way. are you running startx or are you loading a predefined session from a display manager? |
| 23:21.45 | random_numbers | Installed i3, set it to load in the GUI login screen. |
| 23:21.58 | random_numbers | Does that mean my settings should be in .xessionrc rather than .xsession? |
| 23:22.36 | somiaj | random_numbers: what display manager are you using? |
| 23:22.47 | random_numbers | I don't know. |
| 23:22.52 | *** join/#debian s4ndm4n (~sandman13@unaffiliated/sandman13) |
| 23:23.05 | random_numbers | I installed on a system that originally used xfce4. |
| 23:23.30 | random_numbers | '/usr/sbin/lightdm' |
| 23:24.29 | *** join/#debian allizom1 (~Thunderbi@95.236.36.207) |
| 23:24.56 | somiaj | random_numbers: and in light dm you select 'i3' as the session to load? Anyways you can look in /etc/X11, .xsession I think is only read if you choose default or somethign like that. If you choose a specific session it will use that over the .xsession in home. |
| 23:25.21 | *** join/#debian deemel (~deemel@179.43.173.82) |
| 23:25.32 | random_numbers | I see. Thanks. |
| 23:27.42 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip68-14-181-94.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 23:30.07 | *** join/#debian {41444d494e} (~kvirc@46.56.68.196) |
| 23:30.17 | *** join/#debian lowin (~lowin@151.245.94.165) |
| 23:31.06 | *** join/#debian Ticho (~Ticho@unaffiliated/ticho) |
| 23:32.20 | *** join/#debian booboy (~booboy@c-50-129-174-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 23:33.36 | AlexPortable | im setting up a wifi hotspot |
| 23:33.38 | *** join/#debian ketralnis (~ketralnis@reddit/admins/ketralnis) |
| 23:33.52 | AlexPortable | people login on a webpage which submits to firewall tables to get acess |
| 23:33.56 | AlexPortable | but how can i prevent multiple entries? |
| 23:34.25 | *** join/#debian vhf (~vhf@2607:5300:60:1083::1) |
| 23:35.17 | missmbob | you'll want to log ip/mac/datetime to a database. then simply run a query |
| 23:35.56 | AlexPortable | just put them in mysql or text file |
| 23:35.59 | *** join/#debian prasket (~prasket@104.200.154.10) |
| 23:36.09 | missmbob | i'd use mysql |
| 23:36.26 | *** join/#debian RickXy (~zncadmin@115.99.101.74) |
| 23:37.07 | *** part/#debian missmbob (~missmbob@unaffiliated/markybob) |
| 23:37.54 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-457b9c30.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:39.27 | *** join/#debian vhf (~vhf@2607:5300:60:1083::1) |
| 23:40.01 | *** join/#debian SCHAAP137 (~SCHAAP137@unaffiliated/schaap137) |
| 23:40.17 | *** join/#debian asterismo (~santiago@r179-25-51-105.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 23:40.18 | *** join/#debian bluenemo (~bluenemo@unaffiliated/bluenemo) |
| 23:43.56 | *** join/#debian vhf (~vhf@2607:5300:60:1083::1) |
| 23:45.00 | *** join/#debian Drunkwizard (~bakchod@unaffiliated/drunkwizard) |
| 23:45.43 | *** join/#debian jemadux (~jemadux@unaffiliated/jemadux) |
| 23:46.37 | *** join/#debian BlueByte (~walther@dslb-094-218-017-067.094.218.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 23:47.04 | *** join/#debian CutMeOwnThroat (~k@unaffiliated/iridos) |
| 23:48.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1596] by debhelper |
| 23:48.09 | *** join/#debian vhf (~vhf@2607:5300:60:1083::1) |
| 23:50.56 | *** part/#debian biotim (~biotim@fsf/member/biotim) |
| 23:54.15 | *** join/#debian captain0 (~captain0@ip68-14-181-94.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 23:56.18 | *** join/#debian macartur (uid39242@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hiurzpuhjzocoyqv) |
| 23:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1590] by debhelper |
