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| 03:02.21 | visitante|79842 | apt-get install -y sqlite && echo yes Will only echo yes if sqlite was succesfully installed ? |
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| 03:03.21 | sandman13 | No |
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| 03:04.23 | OerHeks | visitante|79842, yes, && waits for the 1st command to finish |
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| 03:07.19 | jmcnaught | visitante|79842: the command after && only executes if the first command was successful. It's a logical and, which means if the first part fails the second part doesn't need to be evaluated |
| 03:07.42 | habs | How can I install Debian with an encrypted root filesystem? I have Libreboot installed on this computer, so even having /boot encrypted should be OK, but Debian tells me "Encryption configuration failure: You have selected the root file system to be stored on an encrypted partition." How can I bypass this check? |
| 03:09.10 | RoyK | OerHeks: && != ; |
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| 03:09.35 | sandman13 | Ignore my comment. Got it messed up :( |
| 03:09.52 | jmcnaught | habs: try using the guided partitioning encrypted LVM to see how the installer wants to configure it, and tweak it manually from there. the debian installer does not support encrypted /boot, but if you think the effort is worth it then you can configure this after the first boot |
| 03:10.35 | sandman13 | habs: On Debian, you need to have separate unencrypted /boot partition |
| 03:11.09 | RoyK | use a usb pen for /boot if you're nervous |
| 03:11.24 | habs | sandman13: Not in previous versions of Debian (without this check) if the BIOS could unencrypt /boot by itself: https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/encrypted_debian.html |
| 03:12.30 | AlexLikeRock | or SURPER GRUB habs |
| 03:12.43 | AlexLikeRock | iso |
| 03:15.02 | jmcnaught | encrypted /boot isn't needed by most people by the way. unencrypted /boot still protects you against computer getting lost or stolen, the data is protected |
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| 03:16.11 | jmcnaught | you only need encrypted /boot if you think you are at risk of your computer being compromised. and even with encrypted /boot, you're still vulnerable if an attacker gets physical access |
| 03:16.11 | Halvy | Hiya.. I'm Halvy =:] |
| 03:16.57 | sandman13 | Best bait is to load /boot on separate device like USB flash drive |
| 03:18.03 | Halvy | how is he vulnerable, if the attacker does not have the passkeys.. |
| 03:18.51 | Halvy | brb.. gota gets some tea :) |
| 03:19.06 | sandman13 | I have tried installing Debian with encrypted /boot but initramfs didn't like it. I might have been doing wrong as I do not know how exactly it works |
| 03:19.50 | RoyK | jmcnaught: how would an attacker do that? |
| 03:20.19 | RoyK | as in circumventing the encryption of /boot? |
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| 03:21.38 | jmcnaught | RoyK: installing a hardware keylogger for example. or simply gaining access to the computer while it is powered on and the disks are unlocked, which again i don't think is applicable for the majority of uses cases |
| 03:23.08 | RoyK | keylogger, of course... |
| 03:24.16 | RoyK | but the latter doesn't matter much for physical access - althogh it's more likely than someone breaking int your laptop and installing something nasty in it |
| 03:25.12 | RoyK | I guess traditional encryption of the data will do well for most of us |
| 03:25.54 | jmcnaught | sure, but other than someone breaking into your laptop and modifying your kernel, i don't see what encrypted /boot really gains you. I'm not saying people shouldn't use it, just that it's not really a shortcoming that Debian doesn't do it yet |
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| 03:28.05 | sandman13 | jmcnaught: It's called being too paranoid. |
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| 03:29.09 | jmcnaught | sandman13: some people could definitely benefit from it, i just recommend that people consider the attack vectors they're trying to protect against, and focus on the ones that are real (for them) |
| 03:31.08 | sandman13 | jmcnaught: You are right. |
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| 03:42.07 | Halvy | you're only tooo paranoid, if it interferes with your day-to-day duties. keyloggers can be detected.. and protected AGAINST. |
| 03:43.19 | Halvy | study distros and devs who specialize in what you are trying to do.. learning inatrm should not be that difficult.. just time comsuming. |
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| 03:44.19 | bugzc | Hi. I upgraded cinnamon on a debian jessie box from 2.x to 3.0.4-2 from backports. Now when I try to mount a disk with gnome-disks, the auth window shows for a split second, then it disappears and I get an auth error from gnome-disks. Anything I'm missing here? |
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| 03:45.39 | Halvy | can u mount manually-- still |
| 03:45.59 | bugzc | yes i can mount manually and i can mount if i run gnome-disks as root |
| 03:46.03 | Halvy | backports=flueky |
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| 03:46.54 | Halvy | make sure it's the same version that your main sys is. .. your backport progs, that is... ie, wheezy should be the backports you dl, if your main sys is wheezy |
| 03:47.01 | bugzc | yes but cinnamon 2.x had a lot of stability issues due to a bug that got fixed in the backported package. it would freeze up on me randomly and it was driving me insane for the past year, until I finally upgraded. |
| 03:47.36 | bugzc | it's the right backports repo and ive installed other packages from it before, so that much is correct |
| 03:48.15 | Halvy | sorry if i'm sounding condescending.. i don't know what you know.. so i am just throwing out the first things i would look for.. |
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| 03:48.30 | bugzc | oh no, i appreciate it :) |
| 03:48.44 | Halvy | yea.. cinnamon is awesome.. WHEN it works. |
| 03:48.56 | bugzc | i was thinking maybe the authenticator needs upgrading too. But I am not sure what package it is |
| 03:50.09 | jmcnaught | bugzc: are you able to mount using udisksctl as user (not root)? "udisksctl mount --block-device /dev/sdX" |
| 03:51.35 | bugzc | jmcnaught: nope. same auth window shows for a split second and disappears, then it says Not authorized to perform operation |
| 03:52.13 | bugzc | also says GDBus.Erorr which maybe helps narrow it down |
| 03:52.47 | Halvy | smells like permissions... unless u have sysdumb |
| 03:53.00 | bugzc | you mean systemd? |
| 03:53.07 | Halvy | lol |
| 03:54.09 | Halvy | yea.. did u hear that fedora and friends are having major probs.. on the last upgrade. system crashes in the middle of upgrade..and doesn't come back!! |
| 03:54.50 | bugzc | oh im sure systemd is the root of all evil |
| 03:54.54 | sandman13 | You need to have polkit iirc |
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| 03:55.20 | Halvy | no.. just the 'love of it'...;) |
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| 03:56.00 | bugzc | there is girl.20polkit-1.0 on the system |
| 03:56.22 | sandman13 | bugzc: gnome-polkit? |
| 03:56.52 | bugzc | sandman13: nope and no such package in the repos |
| 03:57.01 | sandman13 | bugzc: Wait |
| 03:58.08 | sandman13 | bugzc: Check if this exists: /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 |
| 03:58.26 | sandman13 | check if it's running |
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| 03:58.59 | bugzc | it exists |
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| 03:59.17 | bugzc | looks like it's running too |
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| 04:00.24 | sandman13 | Open two terminals. One one: run /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 and on another try that udisksctl command |
| 04:01.43 | bugzc | it wont run. says an authentication agent already exists for the given subject |
| 04:01.57 | sandman13 | Oh |
| 04:02.04 | sandman13 | BTW this is the package: policykit-1-gnome |
| 04:03.26 | bugzc | hmm i see the package installed and it's at version 0.105-2 and nothing newer in backports |
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| 04:05.04 | bugzc | does it make sense to kill it and try to start it again from the terminal? |
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| 04:06.50 | bugzc | this is weird because it does show the window that would previously allow me to authenticate, but it disappears right away |
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| 04:11.07 | sandman13 | bugzc: Can you try running "udisksctl" on tty and report me back? |
| 04:12.22 | Halvy | looks like your good hands bugz.. take care, good nite everyone..:) |
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| 04:13.06 | Halvy | in good hands.. i meant! |
| 04:13.26 | jmcnaught | bugzc: if you run "loginctl user-status $USER" what does "State:" say? |
| 04:14.21 | bugzc | good night Halvy |
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| 04:15.09 | bugzc | jmcnaught: what should i be looking for in the output? it's quite the list |
| 04:15.50 | jmcnaught | bugzc: "State: " on line three |
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| 04:16.15 | bugzc | oh whoops, missed that part. State says active |
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| 04:19.20 | jmcnaught | bugzc: The default udisks2 policykit policy is here: /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.udisks2.policy. Don't edit this file, but look to see what it defines. Read "man pklocalauthority" to see how to make overrides in /etc. |
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| 04:20.13 | jmcnaught | bugzc: looking at "journalctl -u udisks2 -u polkitd" to see logs for those two services. |
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| 04:21.24 | jmcnaught | bugzc: "udisksctl monitor" also provides a lot of information, check for errors in these places first. "journalctl -f" to follow the journal live |
| 04:23.14 | bugzc | jmcnaught: I see a bunch of authentication failure errors from polkitd. nothing that looks like errors from udisksd |
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| 04:30.29 | habs | jmcnaught: So if I just did guided encrypted LVM partitioning, how would you recommend tweaking it after installation? Is it possible to do with just the d-i bootable USB, or do I need to burn a separate GParted ISO or similar? |
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| 04:32.12 | jmcnaught | habs: i've never attempted encrypted /boot but i know there are guides out there. i hesitate to recommend following tutorials without first reading the man pages for everything the tutorial covers. You might be able to do it from an installer image, but that's busybox, a live disk would be more comfortable |
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| 04:32.38 | jmcnaught | unfortunately Debian live images do not support UEFI booting |
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| 04:33.34 | bugzc | jmcnaught: I ran journalctl -f and it's reporting javascript errors and other things.. gonna pastebin it |
| 04:34.24 | jmcnaught | habs: actually you'd probably be able to do it from a chroot booting from a debian installer image, but the busybox you'd be using outside of the chroot is fairly restricted |
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| 04:37.41 | bugzc | jmcnaught: this is the output pastebin.com/PH2MeX36 |
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| 04:43.37 | jmcnaught | bugzc: see the action org.freedesktop.udisks2.filesystem-mount-system? You could try making a PKLA file in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/ that gives your user "ResultActive=yes" permission (instead of the default auth_admin_keep) |
| 04:43.54 | jmcnaught | bugzc: have you looked for bugs on http://bugs.debian.org/ ? |
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| 04:45.40 | bugzc | jmcnaught: it's much easier to just run gnome-disks as root if i were to ignore the auth window blowing up. i have not looked at bugs.debian.org but i dont recall apt-get showing anything out of place when i was upgrading cinnamon (i have it set to warn about serious bugs) |
| 04:46.58 | jmcnaught | bugzc: with a 5 line file you can solve the problem without having to run GUI programs as root, it shows how in the pklocalauthority man page |
| 04:47.37 | jak2000 | how to check if port 53 is open ? |
| 04:47.44 | bugzc | jmcnaught: i get it, but i suspect this auth problem is not particular to gnome-disks. that's my concern |
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| 04:51.48 | latemus | jak2000: netstat -ntul |
| 04:52.16 | latemus | netstat -ntul |grep 53 |
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| 04:57.08 | jmcnaught | !ops spam |
| 04:57.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: spam |
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| 05:03.42 | bugzc | jmcnaught: as i suspected, it looks like gparted is affected as well. anything that asks for auth seems to be broken. |
| 05:04.50 | jmcnaught | bugzc: that sucks. is there a common error? |
| 05:06.49 | bugzc | jmcnaught: the js errors and auth errors from polkitd |
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| 05:08.29 | bugzc | jmcnaught: http://pastebin.com/n0tf1WqW |
| 05:08.41 | bugzc | this is trying to start gparted as user |
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| 05:16.38 | jmcnaught | bugzc: "polkit-agent-helper-1[26090]: inappropriate use of helper, wrong number of arguments [uid=1000]" any luck searching for bugs that mention this error? |
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| 05:18.56 | habs | jmcnaught: So I installed Debian successfully, then I made the necessary changes which just involved copying /boot over to the / partition, renaming the logical volume group and one of the logical volumes, and editing /etc/fstab to reflect this. However Debian now says "Volume group <old volume name> not found", meaning there is still some reference to the old volume name. Where is this reference and how can |
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| 05:18.59 | habs | I remove it? |
| 05:20.00 | bugzc | jmcnaught: not really. can't find anything related |
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| 05:23.40 | jmcnaught | bugzc: 26090 is a PID, remove it from your search |
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| 05:24.29 | bugzc | jmcnaught: i did :p |
| 05:25.30 | bugzc | all i was able to find was an unrelated bug and a bunch of github pages with polkit source (as the error message is embedded into the package source code.) |
| 05:25.41 | jmcnaught | habs: it says that on my system too, before decryption happens. The volume group is on the encrypted volume, and cannot be read until it's unlocked |
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| 05:26.54 | jmcnaught | bugzc: do you have another desktop installed to test this? I'm not sure if cinnamon's privilege escalation dialogues are unique or not |
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| 05:27.42 | bugzc | jmcnaught: i could set up a vm |
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| 05:29.53 | newires | An 87 year-old German woman who has the courage to study banned books and the outlawed truth in free-speech restrictive Germany, explains why the Holocaust is an evil, institutionalized lie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S66iwHyKo54 |
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| 05:31.21 | habs | jmcnaught: I can't boot the system now even after decryption though -- I get "Unable to find LVM volume <old root volume name>" and then |
| 05:31.55 | habs | "Gave up waiting for root device. /dev/mapper/<old root volume name> does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" |
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| 05:32.35 | dunderproto | is there a good client for searching through mailing lists? |
| 05:32.50 | habs | jmcnaught: I changed the /boot/grub/grub.cfg as well as the /etc/fstab -- what else needs to be changed? Do I need to rebuild the kernel initramfs? |
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| 05:37.07 | jmcnaught | habs: as i said before, i've never attempted encrypted /boot |
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| 06:01.57 | latemus | jmcnaught: is that possible? |
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| 06:02.59 | Drzacek | I'm logged via ssh to a debian machine. How do I find out, which desktop environment is installed? It is not kde. I want to install kde and remove the other one |
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| 06:07.48 | Anselmo | if you have, say, xfce4 commands, you can bet that's whats installed |
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| 06:11.19 | Drzacek | Anselmo, and examples of xfce4 commands are? |
| 06:11.53 | Drzacek | xfconf-something? |
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| 06:11.59 | Anselmo | pretty much |
| 06:12.09 | Drzacek | ok, ok |
| 06:12.43 | Drzacek | if I have kdm installed, the correct way to get sddm is to apt-get remove kdm and then install sddm? |
| 06:13.53 | Drzacek | ok, so it's not xfce |
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| 06:14.41 | Anselmo | humm |
| 06:14.51 | Anselmo | there's probably a way to check like with apt |
| 06:14.59 | Anselmo | but I alas do not know it. . . |
| 06:15.11 | Anselmo | as far as the DM's, that's what I would try |
| 06:15.26 | Anselmo | but I very seldom use those at all, so I cannot be a good source of advice |
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| 06:18.53 | Drzacek | Anselmo, I see |
| 06:19.04 | Anselmo | (sorry) |
| 06:19.35 | Drzacek | well, I feel adventurous today |
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| 06:20.12 | Anselmo | hehe |
| 06:20.57 | Drzacek | I could always go to other building and install it again |
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| 06:22.15 | Drzacek | hmmm, whats the default desktop environment in debian, when no gnome/kde/lxde/xfce is chosen? |
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| 06:23.44 | Anselmo | well, usually gnome, I think? |
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| 06:24.07 | Anselmo | thats the 'debian desktop environemnt' on the netinst CD |
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| 06:49.38 | bombom | Ciao a tutti :) |
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| 06:55.22 | Drzacek | Mahe, thanks |
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| 07:55.13 | mi11k1 | how can i restart with a different grub option 1time? |
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| 07:57.13 | ongy | I noticed the wget version in debian installer does not support https. Is that on purpose (size?)? And does an easy way to replace it exist? (I am modfying the CD either way) |
| 07:57.22 | mi11k1 | try aria2 |
| 07:57.36 | mi11k1 | or curl |
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| 08:02.21 | ongy | which both are not included in the installer. But thanks for trying |
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| 08:04.39 | jelly-home | ongy: it's not really wget, it's busybox posing as. |
| 08:05.43 | ongy | that makes the preseeding really unsafe if I want to deliver the file from my webserver :( |
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| 08:16.19 | vincenet | hello, I have a 64 bit machine and I met problem to compile a 32 bit app for wine. As the computer will be only used for this app 32 bit, can I install a 32 bit version of debian ? |
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| 08:18.38 | ongy | there's 32bit versions of debian for x86. They will come with the usual 32bit system limitations (memory limits) |
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| 08:21.00 | Mahe | vincenet: are you compiling within wine? |
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| 08:23.23 | vincenet | winegcc |
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| 08:27.28 | Mahe | vincenet: you could create a 32bit chroot but that would require a lot of effort I guess. In your case it might indeed be best to switch to a 32bit release of debian if it's the sole purpose of this machine. |
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| 08:28.03 | vincenet | ok thks I am going to try |
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| 08:28.23 | Xinny | hey does anyone know if by default debian 8 is touch capable? |
| 08:28.38 | Algebr | The debian wiki on openvpn seems to be outdated because aptitude isntall openvpn doesn't actually give the openvpn binary |
| 08:29.06 | rania | hi all |
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| 08:29.48 | Mahe | Xinny: depends on you hardware. If your touchscreen hardware is supported, it should be 'touch capable' for you. The standard DE is Gnome - which is touch-friendly by design. |
| 08:30.15 | Xinny | Mahe, hm, what about stuff like screen rotation by sensor etc |
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| 08:30.28 | Xinny | same thing id guess eh |
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| 08:30.36 | Xinny | its all very standard ultrabook style hardware |
| 08:30.47 | Xinny | so id imagine it would have good support |
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| 08:32.54 | Mahe | Xinny: check https://github.com/hadess/iio-sensor-proxy |
| 08:33.22 | Mahe | Xinny: it provides auto-rotation but only works for Gnome 3.18 and up - unfortunately Debian 8 still uses 3.14 |
| 08:33.33 | Xinny | thats ok I can always update |
| 08:33.39 | Xinny | I have a lot of hackery to be done |
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| 08:33.51 | Xinny | I was curious though if ubuntu might have better native support for such things in unity |
| 08:34.00 | Xinny | given their aims to make tablets/phones etc |
| 08:34.09 | Mahe | Xinny: I also recommend you to use jessie-backports and upgrade to a 4.X kernel on such device when using Debian 8 |
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| 08:37.01 | cruncher | Algebr, of course it does |
| 08:37.24 | Algebr | cruncher: okay, I just installed it and the openvpn binary was not provided |
| 08:37.43 | Algebr | on jessie |
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| 08:38.03 | cruncher | Algebr, maybe you tried as normal user? its in /usr/sbin |
| 08:39.00 | Algebr | cruncher: ah, that's right, interesting that its installed there |
| 08:39.06 | Xinny | Mahe, I really want to make it super cut down |
| 08:39.44 | Xinny | its for a convertable tablety thing and I want to give it max battery life with only certain features available |
| 08:39.51 | Xinny | like the main thing is chromium |
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| 08:48.23 | giany | hi, is there a way to add a /27 range without having to create an entry for each of the 31 ips? |
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| 08:59.11 | phre4k | hi guys, I use LVM encrypted Debian Testing and just upgraded libc6, now my display manager loops on bootup. I can't hit C+A+F4 to get in another shell and when I use the recovery kernel I get an error message about root having a password and it continues to boot. Can I supply the password somewhere (boot manager?) or disable lightdm's restarting without resorting to SSD removal? |
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| 09:00.08 | phre4k | to be more precise, when I get into a shell with C+A+F4 it drops me right back to the X11/display manager loop |
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| 09:06.57 | giany | ongy: on rhel systems I create a ifcfg-rangeX where I put the range that I want then it adds automatically those ips |
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| 09:08.14 | jelly-home | giany: you can put a shell for loop into an up line in interfaces(5) |
| 09:08.23 | jelly-home | ugly but works |
| 09:09.00 | jelly-home | and less ugly than adding 29 old-style aliases |
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| 09:18.37 | XinZhao | installing on a uefi system I should just use the windows 10 boot loader right? |
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| 09:18.42 | XinZhao | instead of grub or whatever |
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| 09:19.07 | XinZhao | I seem to remember that being a good idea unless you just wanted linux |
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| 09:38.34 | phre4k | <phre4k> hi guys, I use LVM encrypted Debian Testing and just upgraded libc6, now my display manager loops on bootup. When I get into a shell with C+A+F4 it drops me right back to the X11/display manager loop and when I use the recovery kernel I get an error message about root having a password and it continues to boot. Can I supply the password somewhere (boot manager?) or disable lightdm's restarting without resorting to SSD removal? |
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| 09:40.08 | cast | interactively edit at the grub menu and boot without starting x, then adjust your config as you wish |
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| 09:40.44 | M4he | phre4k: you should go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net - this chat is primarily for stable (jessie) |
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| 09:48.16 | phre4k | M4he: ty |
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| 10:02.14 | XinZhao | if I have two OS's on one pc |
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| 10:02.27 | XinZhao | hm never mind |
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| 10:08.28 | JyZyXEL | 2016-11-05: Transition freeze (general freeze of transitions) <- what does that actually mean? |
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| 10:43.19 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: aka library freeze. Any library updates (e.g. libc6, Perl, whatever) have to be through by then. |
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| 10:45.30 | themill | !transition |
| 10:45.31 | dpkg | A transition occurs when changes in a package require alterations to several other packages which depend on it. To do this, many packages using the package are updated, either being recompiled or updated to a new version; packages blocking a transition might be removed from <testing> so it can complete. Transitions can become very large and complex, involving tens or even hundreds of packages. http://release.debian.org/transitions/ |
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| 10:45.52 | JyZyXEL | petn-randall: ah, so then the "Soft freeze" is the one where software packages are frozen to their current versions |
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| 10:54.29 | innerand | What is responsible for the /dev/disk/by-uuid/ links? |
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| 11:00.09 | troffasky | udev probably |
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| 11:03.21 | innerand | ok, ty troffasky |
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| 11:04.44 | hron84 | Hi! Can I ask here about debian packaging questions or there's a dedicated channel for them? |
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| 11:06.32 | ksk | hron84: you can ask here imho. |
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| 11:07.51 | hron84 | Cool. I'm building a binary package from a binary-distributed 3rdparty package just for me (not planning for sending to upstream or anything). I have a problem with dh_strip I wanna exclude specific files from processing. |
| 11:08.32 | hron84 | Technically, I'm on Ubuntu Trusty, but I think it's a distro-independent problem. |
| 11:08.39 | hron84 | debian/compat set to 9 |
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| 11:15.15 | Fyr | guys, how to update a package? I don't want to upgrade the whole system. =/ |
| 11:16.48 | jelly-home | Fyr: update which package from what to what? |
| 11:17.15 | Fyr | jelly-home, from the current state to the final version. |
| 11:17.19 | jelly-home | keeping your system patched up is good practice |
| 11:17.33 | jelly-home | Fyr: which debian release and package and package version are you talking about? |
| 11:17.40 | Fyr | jelly-home, sometimes updates ruin the entire system. |
| 11:17.45 | Fyr | Jessie |
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| 11:18.03 | Fyr | the package - qbittorrent-nox. |
| 11:18.15 | Fyr | what command should I type to update the package? |
| 11:18.27 | jelly-home | Fyr: which package version do you have installed? |
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| 11:19.57 | jelly-home | Fyr: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy qbittorrent-nox" |
| 11:21.14 | hron84 | Fyr: if you want just the easiest solution and do not plan to script this action, use aptitude. It's a CLI tool, you can select specific version of a package for upgrade |
| 11:21.45 | Fyr | thanks |
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| 11:22.00 | pery | i just install a linux distro based on debian but it wasnt seem on grub screen im using ubuntu now how can i add this on grub ? |
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| 11:23.00 | Shani | One of the long time opensource contributor, Miles Sharpe (IRC NICK : Kilos) need your help and donations, please read the full story and help him, https://www.gofundme.com/reunionroadblock |
| 11:23.35 | jelly-home | Fyr: do not, however, attempt installing a version from a debian branch newer than jessie, that is likely to fuck up your system |
| 11:24.41 | innerand | pery: did you try 'sudo update-grub'? |
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| 11:30.36 | ksk | Hola. Im looking for a really basic way to do some things in parallel, comparable to using xargs on bash - like I have a queue/list and want it do "work" on two entries at a time, take the next if one is done and so on. can you point me to something please? many thanks! |
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| 11:30.45 | ksk | oh, wrong channel, ignore that please :) |
| 11:33.04 | endstille | hey, can you tell me, how i can install / activate mod_perl for apache2.4 in debian jessie? it seems to be unavailable in my test-vm :( |
| 11:33.22 | endstille | libapache2-mod-perl2 is already installed |
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| 11:35.39 | zero85 | endstille: mod_perl activated in config? |
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| 11:36.34 | endstille | zero85: sorry, i'm newbie in webserver ;) is there a bash-command to activate it? |
| 11:37.19 | zero85 | endstille: Nope, there is a config, in the config file are some lines where mods are loaded, you have to uncomment the line for mod_perl and restart apache |
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| 11:38.20 | zero85 | endstille: should be something like #LoadModule xxxxx modules/mod_perl.so and you have to remove the # |
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| 11:38.36 | endstille | ah i have /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/perl.load and it containes LoadModule perl_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_perl.so |
| 11:39.10 | endstille | okay, everything looks fine here. guess, the application i try to run is doing something strange... |
| 11:39.14 | endstille | thanks for your help! |
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| 11:41.16 | zero85 | endstille: np |
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| 12:00.17 | Tachyon` | Hi. Back in the distant past when dinosaurs roamed the earth and 8MiB was a lot of RAM I used an FTP archive known as Sunsite. I'm now needing some files from it and it appears every single mirror of it has vanished other than a few very incomplete ones. Archive.org is similarly no use, maddenningly that gives me a listing with the files I want but the actual files were not preserved. Anyone |
| 12:00.17 | Tachyon` | know of a mirror of Sunsite/Metalab that might still exist? |
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| 12:07.07 | missmbob | !tell Tachyon` about ot |
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| 12:11.09 | Tachyon` | eyes all the on topic discussion and wanders off in search of more helpful channels. |
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| 12:11.23 | jelly-home | old source lost, like tears in rain |
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| 12:13.33 | latemus | jelly-home: all these memories? i have seen the rings of saturn on mining expeditions |
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| 12:14.37 | jelly-home | missmbob: that may be technically off topic but it still brings back memories |
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| 12:21.24 | r0ck_ | hey ppl |
| 12:21.44 | r0ck_ | is there any way to make fglrx and gnome work together? |
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| 12:23.22 | missmbob | r0ck_: you probably need firmware-linux-nonfree (there's a newer one in jessie-backports) |
| 12:24.05 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 12:24.31 | jak2000 | i get a Readonly file sysstem, resstarted and i get this messssage when restart: https://postimg.org/image/vrxlry4ep/ how to access to ssh console? thanks |
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| 12:25.57 | Guest83091 | jak2000: you don't have a ssh server at that point |
| 12:26.08 | Guest83091 | oh, nice nick |
| 12:26.25 | jak2000 | iss a vps |
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| 12:26.35 | jak2000 | is a vps, cant do anything remotely? |
| 12:26.58 | bezaban | jak2000: if your provider offers some remote console then yes, where did you get the screenshot from? |
| 12:27.04 | r0ck_ | missmbob: I have tried with that, but then gnome just gives and error, even gdm3 wont load |
| 12:27.07 | abrotman | r0ck_: Unless you have a good reason, you should probably see if the radeon driver works for you as fglrx is sort of dead |
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| 12:27.46 | r0ck_ | I do use radeon free driver |
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| 12:28.05 | r0ck_ | however it doesnt satisfy me |
| 12:28.19 | bezaban | jak2000: another alternative is if the provider offers booting some rescue image, but these out of band solutions are provider specific |
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| 12:28.30 | TomTomTosch | gnome simply doesn't work with fglrx. it's documented, no way around. |
| 12:28.47 | r0ck_ | abrotman missmbob is there a way to make it work? |
| 12:28.50 | r0ck_ | This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop, as it does not support the EGL interface. It is recommended to use the free radeon driver instead. |
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| 12:29.32 | jak2000 | bezaban, ooo i am at recovery mode... |
| 12:30.00 | jak2000 | wait i get a image (i access to console via web) |
| 12:30.36 | abrotman | r0ck_: then why are you asking about fglrx? |
| 12:30.50 | jak2000 | diferent but similar: https://postimg.org/image/fj5z7mu1h/ |
| 12:31.56 | r0ck_ | abrotman: there should be a way for it to work.. thats why |
| 12:33.04 | jak2000 | but i can type commands |
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| 12:35.12 | jak2000 | bezaban: https://postimg.org/image/b70z3gdtr/ |
| 12:35.18 | jak2000 | how to mount /home/jak |
| 12:35.40 | bezaban | jak2000: run fsck manually on the partition that failed |
| 12:36.17 | jak2000 | only 'fsck' ? |
| 12:36.18 | bezaban | no flags iirc |
| 12:36.20 | bezaban | yeah |
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| 12:36.44 | jak2000 | not do anything |
| 12:37.01 | jak2000 | only say: fsck from util-linux 2.25.2 |
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| 12:38.17 | bezaban | and then specify the partition/fs you want to run it on, the one with the error in your first message |
| 12:39.03 | jak2000 | in /dev/dm-0 ? |
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| 12:40.39 | jak2000 | see: https://postimg.org/image/94jtd5j99/ |
| 12:40.43 | jak2000 | now resstart? |
| 12:40.50 | bezaban | that's lvm on raid? I'd do the volume group for the root filesystem /dev/mapper/localhost--vg-root |
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| 12:41.33 | jak2000 | yes |
| 12:41.34 | bezaban | jak2000: ah, it did it. Great, should fix it unless there are more serious errors |
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| 12:41.54 | jak2000 | sstrange its a vps |
| 12:42.03 | bezaban | and fix = y. But you might want to run with -y if you want to skip hitting y a lot ;) |
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| 12:42.27 | bezaban | jak2000: that just means more layers of things that can go wrong :P |
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| 12:43.50 | stoned | Good morning |
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| 12:45.48 | jak2000 | bezaban done |
| 12:45.54 | jak2000 | by moment i am backup my data |
| 12:45.55 | jak2000 | first |
| 12:46.25 | jak2000 | and then do the fsck |
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| 12:50.00 | jak2000 | ufff can backuping :) |
| 12:50.05 | jak2000 | thanks thanks |
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| 12:55.38 | rafalcpp | my box is not NATing some packages. what tools can debug why that is? |
| 12:55.58 | rafalcpp | iptables-save show: -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 12:56.52 | jak2013 | bezaban? |
| 12:57.00 | rafalcpp | I have interfaces: eth0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN group default qlen 1000 br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default inet 10.0.3.2/24 brd 10.0.3.255 scope global br0 vethCB3WIB: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast master br0 state UP group default qlen 1000 |
| 12:57.17 | rafalcpp | bridge name bridge id STP enabled interfaces |
| 12:57.19 | rafalcpp | br0 8000.fe9aefc7a489 no vethCB3WIB |
| 12:57.27 | rafalcpp | this is all correct right? |
| 12:58.01 | sine0 | I want to be able to edit my public_html folder from my user, Do I add them to the www-data group? |
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| 12:58.14 | bezaban | jak2013: yes? |
| 12:58.30 | bezaban | fsck and reboot should be sufficient |
| 12:58.49 | jak2013 | ok backuping |
| 12:58.55 | rafalcpp | sine0: other common way is to create /home/someuser.public/ dir, chown/chgrp it to the user, chmod 755 it, and set apache to serve this dir. |
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| 13:00.33 | sine0 | ahh |
| 13:00.35 | sine0 | nice one |
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| 13:07.46 | jak2013 | bezaban: /dev/mapper/localhost--vg-root is mounted. e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting. |
| 13:07.48 | sine0 | rafalcpp: can I have the public_html/index.php be a symlink to the file somewhere else ? |
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| 13:10.22 | latemus | hi guys |
| 13:10.39 | latemus | hoy do you guys schedule your backups |
| 13:10.40 | rafalcpp | sine0: sure, yeap |
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| 13:11.31 | sine0 | cool |
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| 13:13.23 | bezaban | jak2013: yeah.. so unmount it |
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| 13:14.53 | saptech | latemus, there are some apps in the repositories, such as rsync, rsnapshot. One I like to use is LuckyBackup |
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| 13:18.12 | latemus | saptech: cool, thanks man |
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| 13:20.45 | saptech | welcome |
| 13:21.09 | latemus | i use rsync over ssh to get differentials |
| 13:21.31 | latemus | but i have heard tarsnop is good |
| 13:21.37 | saptech | the other ones I mention use it as a backend |
| 13:21.39 | latemus | tarsnap, that is |
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| 13:21.50 | latemus | saptech: nice, okay |
| 13:22.13 | latemus | what fs to you store your backups on |
| 13:22.20 | saptech | just google on how to setup backups. Luckybackup is gui |
| 13:22.25 | latemus | ah. |
| 13:22.30 | richard_w | Hi. I'm currently trying to package a patched version of opencv. It tries to download files during configure time. |
| 13:22.47 | saptech | I store miine on a ext. usb hdd |
| 13:22.50 | latemus | i was using lvm and i lost the partiton map |
| 13:22.54 | saptech | mine* |
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| 13:22.56 | latemus | saptech: cool |
| 13:23.01 | richard_w | Is there a standard way in dpkg to include large files into the upstream source? I think a quilt patch would be too big. |
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| 13:25.40 | themill | richard_w: dpkg-source has an include-binaries option that can drop in whole files |
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| 13:28.30 | gebruiker | Q: is there a way to really minimalise the debian bloat? ... I already installed through expert mode but I still notice there is crap like busybox. I also notice that when I install irssi it autoselects perl. Why is this? the binary does not need perl to run only plugins. When installing plugins it should select perl. These kinds of actions make it harder to just install a good and clean desktop env |
| 13:29.02 | themill | wait... you're worried about perl and then you're going to install a desktop environment? |
| 13:29.12 | richard_w | themill: using gpb can i just commit them to the repo and still get valid dsc files? |
| 13:29.14 | gebruiker | themill: those are examples |
| 13:29.31 | gebruiker | themill: and yes i want to isntall xfce but i do not want perl |
| 13:29.44 | themill | you're going to get perl |
| 13:30.00 | themill | richard_w: you need to list them in debian/source/include-binaries as well |
| 13:30.07 | richard_w | gebruiker: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ ;) |
| 13:30.29 | gebruiker | richard_w: yeah but i need some maintaince easyness too |
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| 13:31.25 | richard_w | gebruiker: gentoo maybe (although i doubt it will be useful without perl)? |
| 13:31.43 | richard_w | perl is basic stuff. you'll always need it |
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| 13:32.15 | richard_w | themill: thank you. i'll try it |
| 13:32.21 | gebruiker | richard_w: imagine if you would have to maintain 100 desktop computers and security using debian. How would you approach it? |
| 13:32.25 | themill | and things like busybox exist because when you need them, you want them |
| 13:32.25 | toruvinn | gebruiker, busybox is rather small and used in things like initrd/initramfs. perl is needed for irssi to run scripts, i've once compiled irssi without script support and it was meh. you want it, most likely. |
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| 13:32.36 | toruvinn | gebruiker, and as someone pointed out, LFS is awesome. used it for years. |
| 13:32.37 | gebruiker | perl would make the system vulnreable |
| 13:32.41 | themill | no |
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| 13:32.48 | richard_w | gebruiker: no |
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| 13:33.18 | toruvinn | gebruiker, well with this kind of approach just unplug them from internet or even from power and they'll be safe... |
| 13:33.30 | themill | !toruvinn++ |
| 13:33.31 | toruvinn | (power as in current) |
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| 13:33.44 | gebruiker | toruvinn: you made a thinking error |
| 13:34.02 | gebruiker | toruvinn: i am worried about people using perl to exploit the system hypothetically |
| 13:34.03 | richard_w | gebruiker: when you have 100 computers the users are a way bigger risk than perl |
| 13:34.31 | themill | gebruiker: and how would they do that? |
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| 13:35.10 | gebruiker | richard_w: true but perl would be one of the issues, right? |
| 13:35.13 | richard_w | gebruiker: i usually exploit systems i have physical access to with a screwdriver |
| 13:35.26 | gebruiker | themill: well i am sure yoy can imagine it |
| 13:35.32 | themill | no, I can't |
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| 13:35.40 | richard_w | gebruiker: no perl is not an issue at all. |
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| 13:35.53 | bezaban | a user process running perl is under normal user restrictions. |
| 13:35.57 | toruvinn | gebruiker, by "dumbing the installation down" you'll end up with a system where you basically won't be able to login, cause no shell. but hey what if there's a remote kernel vuln? |
| 13:36.16 | gebruiker | richard_w: we are argueing about perl but i am sure you can understand how generally there would be apps present on the system as a dependency that could be a security risk |
| 13:36.24 | themill | [citation needed] |
| 13:36.40 | richard_w | gebruiker: absolutely not |
| 13:36.56 | gebruiker | richard_w: well security.debian is proof of that |
| 13:37.10 | toruvinn | gebruiker, tbh unless you have things such as setuid binaries (does perl still ship its own?) your main concern is kernel anyway. and you can't really get rid of that one. ;-) |
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| 13:37.59 | richard_w | gebruiker: there's a big difference between remote code execution and local privilege escalation |
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| 13:38.11 | toruvinn | indeed. |
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| 13:38.23 | richard_w | gebruiker: and bugs in perl can NEVER cause local privilege escalation. it is always a kernel bug |
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| 13:38.39 | richard_w | gebruiker: or obviously a bug in a setuid binary |
| 13:38.51 | gebruiker | toruvinn: well perl or bash could cause endless forks |
| 13:39.04 | themill | umm... maybe it's time to play elsewhere. |
| 13:39.16 | richard_w | gebruiker: /etc/limits.conf |
| 13:39.22 | toruvinn | gebruiker, wow. or someone could approach your pc and steal your harddrives. |
| 13:39.49 | gebruiker | lol, we have gone way in the rabit hole away from the orginal question. |
| 13:40.01 | richard_w | gebruiker: we answered it |
| 13:40.02 | toruvinn | gebruiker, what are you trying to be safe against? remote people or local, potentially malicious users? |
| 13:40.13 | gebruiker | toruvinn: you errored in your thinking |
| 13:40.23 | toruvinn | not really. :^) |
| 13:40.33 | themill | gebruiker: you're making up problems that don't exist |
| 13:40.37 | gebruiker | toruvinn: your comparisons are like apples and oranges. |
| 13:40.51 | themill | gebruiker: please explain what your threat model actually is. |
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| 13:41.21 | velix | We've got 2016. Why isn't "ls" capable of showing ACLs? :( |
| 13:41.26 | gebruiker | themill: this question is to far from my orginal question |
| 13:41.30 | themill | gebruiker: please explain what your threat model actually is. |
| 13:41.39 | velix | Sure, it shows "+" ... but that's not very informative :) |
| 13:42.00 | toruvinn | gebruiker, i'll sum it up this way: using Debian actually helps with security A LOT, because you are usually able to ship updates to all of your servers much faster/easier. imagine having to recompile (not to mention, edit the code!) yourself and then upload it to each of your affected boxes. Debian sorta does this for you. |
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| 13:42.59 | gebruiker | toruvinn: yes exactly why i want a miniminal debian. But some approaches chosen by devs by making i.e irssi to statically and not dynamic enough make that a hassle |
| 13:43.22 | toruvinn | gebruiker, things like having perl should not impact your security, not for quite a few years already. there were issues with that, but unless you use perl as CGI (unlikely) and have no such things as suid perl, an user can execute code as himself this way only. no probs there. kernel becomes your main concern and you can't really get rid of this one. |
| 13:44.37 | gebruiker | toruvinn: see debian dsa-3628-1 |
| 13:44.57 | gebruiker | it is from 25 jul 2016 |
| 13:45.05 | themill | gebruiker: please explain what your threat model actually is. |
| 13:45.21 | themill | until you actually do, it's impossible to take you seriously or actually provide any advice |
| 13:46.03 | gebruiker | themill: i have none. that is why i keep telling you that it is too far from my orginal question. Somewhere we went into a rabit hole away from what I wanted to achieve |
| 13:46.05 | themill | That DSA is about how a *local* user can alter how a *locally* run perl script behaves. |
| 13:46.14 | themill | no, you're just making up crap |
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| 13:46.39 | gebruiker | themill: no i do not |
| 13:47.05 | themill | If you can't even explain what sort of threat you're trying to protect against, then you are |
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| 13:47.15 | gebruiker | themill: your statement about perl was invalid and you have not understood my question properly. it was about local security and oringally bloat. |
| 13:47.32 | themill | So actually state your threat model. |
| 13:47.41 | themill | Bloat is not a security risk. |
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| 13:47.46 | gebruiker | themill: no security, the security was an example. I want a minminal setup withouth dependencies on crap i do not use |
| 13:47.48 | gebruiker | like perl |
| 13:47.57 | themill | Then use something other than debian. |
| 13:47.57 | gebruiker | and I would like to keep using debian |
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| 13:48.27 | themill | If your tinfoil isn't dependency-compliant, you'll be building it yourself. |
| 13:48.34 | jelly-home | gebruiker: perl-base is always there, you can't really have a debian system without perl |
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| 13:48.48 | gebruiker | jelly-home: fair point |
| 13:48.54 | gebruiker | themill: stop crying man |
| 13:49.13 | jelly-home | now can we go back to debian tech support? |
| 13:49.15 | gebruiker | jelly-home: however perl is not instaleld as a base on a minimum install |
| 13:49.25 | themill | gebruiker: we've spent 20 min trying to get you to actually answer a straight question.... |
| 13:50.10 | themill | gebruiker: actually, perl is |
| 13:50.20 | gebruiker | themill: themill no i just did a fresh install and it is not |
| 13:50.26 | themill | it is. |
| 13:50.28 | gebruiker | wrong. |
| 13:50.36 | gebruiker | i can show you myu dpkg -l |
| 13:51.01 | themill | feel free. You'll find perl is on your system. |
| 13:51.22 | themill | You might like to also show us the output of "perl -v" while you're at it. |
| 13:51.27 | toruvinn | ;^) |
| 13:51.44 | themill | knows what Essential: yes means |
| 13:52.24 | TomTomTosch | you should dpkg -l perl-base not perl |
| 13:52.34 | gebruiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.05 | themill | so what about having a package called perl on your system? |
| 13:53.15 | themill | If /usr/bin/perl is there, you have perl. |
| 13:53.52 | gebruiker | now you are twisitng it and this discussion is so far from the orginal questio and intent ... its becoming ridicouls |
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| 13:54.10 | gebruiker | just like my spelling |
| 13:54.23 | themill | the original intent was so vague as to be meaningless hence why people have asked what you're *actually* trying to achieve. |
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| 13:54.33 | toruvinn | gebruiker, your original question was answered already, at least once; we're just helping you not to shoot yourself in the foot or not to render your system useless for the enduser. |
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| 13:54.59 | themill | Not having a package "perl" on your system is not something that is useful to achieve from any point of view. So what *are* you actually trying to achieve? |
| 13:55.25 | gebruiker | sigh ... the perl things was just an example of a unnessary dependecie of irssi |
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| 13:55.33 | toruvinn | themill, well one could argue embedded systems. ;-) |
| 13:55.35 | joseph | hi |
| 13:55.48 | jelly-home | gebruiker: feel free to make a local build of irssi with no perl support |
| 13:55.55 | themill | gebruiker: and yet you still can't actually explain what you're trying to achieve. |
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| 13:56.13 | themill | toruvinn: for the desktop |
| 13:56.17 | shovel_boss | google drive is not working for me |
| 13:56.23 | habs | When I try to boot my Debian installation with LVM volume group "matrix" and volumes "root" and "swap" on /dev/sda5, I get this error with these grub opts: http://imgur.com/a/4uCET What can I do to debug / fix this? |
| 13:56.25 | shovel_boss | keeps loading forever |
| 13:56.33 | toruvinn | gebruiker, you wont get rid of dependencies unless you compile thing yourself or find a distro that does this; possibly gentoo, definitely LFS (dont expect automation in that one though). by removing dependencies, bear in mind you're removing functionality. in case of irssi it's pretty basic funcionality in that irc client tbh. |
| 13:56.45 | gebruiker | jelly-home: are you processing real life data as linear? Stop doing that man. |
| 13:57.19 | themill | gebruiker: feel free to stop projecting and extrapolate. |
| 13:57.45 | toruvinn | habs, ouch i never really liked lvm and used it once, but make sure setting up lvm isn't the job of your initramfs and make sure your initramfs is updated to hold your lvm configuration... |
| 13:57.53 | themill | and, you know, answer questions that have been asked of yuo |
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| 13:57.59 | gebruiker | themill: the question already answered. the question was, minimal system(no boat) with debian. howto? The answer was not possible. Used irssi as an example of a lot of other packages that have to much static dependecy on apps |
| 13:58.10 | shovel_boss | i am using the website for google drive |
| 13:58.20 | themill | gebruiker: "minimal" is meaningless... |
| 13:59.03 | toruvinn | themill, gebruiker, sounds like kernel + busybox would be a nice thing there tbh. minimal enough? |
| 13:59.05 | velix | setfacl -R -m g:www-data:rwx,o:- /tmp/acl/ |
| 13:59.08 | velix | whoops, sorry |
| 13:59.12 | toruvinn | and still kinda usable. |
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| 13:59.45 | velix | Hmm, why doesn't /home/ have ACLs ? |
| 14:00.14 | RoyK | velix: usually it suffices with traditional unix file rights |
| 14:00.26 | gebruiker | toruvinn: yes and an minimal x system, like you would see at certain banks or companies where programs like "LS" are not available for users or non-existent but office apps and webbrowsing apps are... |
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| 14:01.05 | velix | RoyK: I've freshly installed Debian. When I create a file in /home/userA, userB can read it in userA's directory. That doesn't look right ;) |
| 14:01.16 | habs | toruvinn: How can I make sure my initramfs is updated? I tried chrooting into my system and doing "mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0.4-amd64 3.16.0.4-amd64" but that didn't seem to work. |
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| 14:01.40 | RoyK | velix: chmod go-rwx -R ~userA |
| 14:01.55 | RoyK | velix: you can configure useradd to tighten this |
| 14:02.21 | velix | RoyK: why isn't that kind of data security on by default? ;) |
| 14:02.32 | RoyK | velix: I'm not sure why this is the default - possibly historic |
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| 14:03.33 | wehatecoons | white pride worldwide |
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| 14:03.45 | wehatecoons | o/ |
| 14:03.48 | wehatecoons | white power! |
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| 14:03.50 | velix | RoyK: I am German, I know that history shouldn't be repeated :) |
| 14:03.57 | wehatecoons | it shouldn't |
| 14:03.57 | RoyK | velix: hehe |
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| 14:05.07 | velix | White Powder? Do you know the picture: American guys: "We want our land back". American natives: "LoL". |
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| 14:05.39 | coonscoonscoons | velix: history shouldn't really repeat itself, i wish that germany would go full blown nazi again but win the war |
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| 14:05.50 | coonscoonscoons | hitler was too greedy |
| 14:05.57 | velix | coonscoonscoons: There has been a movie about this, can't remember the name. |
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| 14:07.14 | velix | RoyK: maybe I don't need ACLs at all ;) |
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| 14:09.12 | velix | chown :www-data -R /tmp/acl; sudo -u ^-data touch test.txt |
| 14:09.14 | velix | oops |
| 14:09.30 | velix | This doesn't work... permession denied: chown :www-data -R /tmp/acl; sudo -u www-data touch /tmp/acl/test.txt |
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| 14:09.46 | habs | How can I make sure my Debian initramfs is updated? When I try to boot my Debian installation with LVM volume group "matrix" and volumes "root" and "swap" on /dev/sda5, I get this error with these grub opts: http://imgur.com/a/4uCET I tried doing "mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0.4-amd64 3.16.0.4-amd64" in a chroot but that didn't work. |
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| 14:10.51 | velix | Let me ask in #linux ... this isn't a debian problem. |
| 14:11.59 | Iridos | velix, chmod g+w /tmp/acl |
| 14:12.40 | velix | Iridos: why can't an owner write to a directory? |
| 14:13.19 | Iridos | velix, the owner can, but you are not changing the owner, but the group |
| 14:13.38 | Iridos | velix, look at the first line of synopsis in "man chown" |
| 14:13.42 | velix | Iridos: I thought, it works like this: "all users in group XY are owners". |
| 14:13.44 | velix | Iridos: ok |
| 14:14.14 | velix | Iridos: Seems like ACL is the right way for me ;) |
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| 14:14.32 | Iridos | not necessarily |
| 14:14.36 | velix | I've got several users in www-data, and they should access the target directory. |
| 14:14.41 | velix | write, read etc. |
| 14:15.05 | Iridos | that can be done with a group |
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| 14:15.22 | velix | Hmm... What's the benefit of ACL then? Different users & groups? |
| 14:15.33 | velix | I mean, different rights for different users and groups? |
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| 14:16.01 | Iridos | you can add access rights to users that aren't together in a group with acls |
| 14:16.19 | velix | Iridos: ok. |
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| 14:16.43 | Iridos | but in either case it is probably not trivial if they are supposed to edit each other's files |
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| 14:17.12 | RoyK | velix: probably not |
| 14:17.15 | velix | Iridos: again it gives me "permission denied": http://pastie.org/pastes/10940896/text |
| 14:18.00 | RoyK | velix: are you a member of www-data? |
| 14:18.07 | velix | RoyK: www-data is of course ;) |
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| 14:20.07 | velix | With ACL it works easily. But I want to try it the native linux way. |
| 14:20.22 | Iridos | velix, you should maybe check the results of what you did, then it'd be obvious? like⦠ls -ld /tmp/acl |
| 14:20.46 | Iridos | also, sudo -u www-data id |
| 14:21.06 | velix | Iridos: uid=33(www-data) gid=33(www-data) groups=33(www-data) |
| 14:21.25 | velix | Iridos: drwx-w---- 2 root www-data 4096 Oct 10 14:16 /tmp/acl |
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| 14:21.42 | Iridos | well⦠do you see it? |
| 14:22.40 | velix | Iridos: owner is still root ? |
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| 14:23.21 | velix | Iridos: But I want to allow writing to EACH user of group www-data. I am confused. |
| 14:23.28 | n4dir | perhaps touch needs rather x than w ... |
| 14:24.12 | jelly-home | ^^ |
| 14:24.20 | jelly-home | (needs both) |
| 14:24.27 | velix | yep, that's it :) |
| 14:24.55 | Iridos | "x" means "allowed to change into directory" |
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| 14:25.06 | n4dir | ah, thanks. |
| 14:25.27 | velix | Argh... why does it work with "x", even it's the wrong thing? :) |
| 14:25.28 | Iridos | and not giving read rights to the group doesn't make sense either |
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| 14:25.37 | Iridos | it's not wrong |
| 14:25.44 | Iridos | you need x and w because⦠see above |
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| 14:26.23 | velix | So that's how it should look like? http://pastie.org/pastes/10940900/text |
| 14:26.25 | Iridos | but your directory should probably have had rwxr-xr-x from the start on |
| 14:26.58 | Iridos | well, why do you do chmod go-rwx -R /tmp/acl |
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| 14:27.39 | Iridos | dpkg, permissions |
| 14:27.40 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read «info coreutils 'File Permissions'», http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 14:28.14 | Iridos | you might want to read some of that⦠|
| 14:28.25 | Iridos | also maybe "man chmod" and possibly "man 2 chmod" |
| 14:28.59 | velix | Iridos: RoyK told me this to tighten up reading other's home directories. |
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| 14:29.30 | Iridos | but this isn't about a home directory |
| 14:29.55 | Iridos | I suggest you just read on what it does and then think about what makes sense in what case |
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| 14:30.59 | velix | Iridos: I thought, it would remove rwx to all other users and groups ? |
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| 14:33.54 | n4dir | not to other groups, to the group-members (chown root:groupname ; all member of groupname get rwx removed). |
| 14:34.27 | n4dir | who is not part of that group (groupname as the example) is part of o (like others). |
| 14:34.42 | velix | n4dir: thx |
| 14:35.04 | n4dir | don't take my word for it ... i am not really good with it. |
| 14:35.21 | velix | n4dir: nobody complains about it in here ... ;) |
| 14:35.36 | n4dir | k, gotta sleep. good luck, fun and later. |
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| 14:36.03 | velix | n4dir: gn8 |
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| 15:04.51 | shovel_boss | is firefox esr(extended support release) the latest firefox for debian |
| 15:05.00 | shovel_boss | cant i get a newer release? |
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| 15:05.41 | jelly-home | !mdn |
| 15:05.41 | dpkg | For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. |
| 15:05.56 | greycat | The firefox-esr in jessie is considered "stable", insofar as that word has any meaning for web browsers. For a less stable version, see that factoid above me. |
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| 15:18.44 | visitante|89346 | How do I tell from command line if running wheezy or jessy? |
| 15:19.09 | SwedeMike | visitante|89346: "cat /etc/debian_version" |
| 15:19.21 | jelly-home | !debian suite |
| 15:19.22 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 15:27.05 | d3lphi | certainly I am missing something. Just installed the latest Jessie version (stable) from netinst iso image. I run "dpkg-reconfigure localed" choose "de_DE.UTF-8" and the afterwards choose it as default. The configurator finishes without errors, "locale -a" shows me the available locales and... |
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| 15:27.26 | d3lphi | "cat /etc/default/locale" shows de_DE.UTF-8. But even when I reboot and execute "locale" I get everywhere "C" as result. Why ?? |
| 15:28.10 | jelly-home | d3lphi: where precisely do you "execute locale", from which program or shell (logged in how?) |
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| 15:32.46 | greycat | Also what *exactly* is in the /etc/default/locale file? It can't just be "de_DE.UTF-8" |
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| 16:11.41 | jstolare1 | has anyone succesfully configured plymouth with nvidia drivers on Debian 8 ? |
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| 16:20.11 | CrowX- | Trying to mount an lvm volume gives me an error "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on..." |
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| 16:20.34 | CrowX- | and I do just mount /location/of/volume /a/local/directory |
| 16:20.44 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 16:21.03 | CrowX- | ? |
| 16:21.14 | CrowX- | what am I doing wrong? |
| 16:21.23 | greycat | You went out of your way, typing EXTRA CHARACTERS, in order to make the "information" you are presenting worthless. |
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| 16:21.55 | teraflops | CrowX-: use real data not /location/of/volume /a/local/directory ^ |
| 16:22.01 | CrowX- | k, sec |
| 16:22.17 | CrowX- | I used: mount /dev/pve/vm-20106-disk-1 /mnt/20106 |
| 16:22.31 | greycat | What type of file system did you create on /dev/pve/vm-20106-disk-1 |
| 16:22.49 | CrowX- | Error was: https://dpaste.de/Yf6r |
| 16:22.59 | CrowX- | and dmesg/syslog shows nothing about the error |
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| 16:25.33 | CrowX- | I'm checking the filesystem now |
| 16:26.21 | jhutchins | Do I wrongly recall that LVM "devices" are in /dev/mapper/ ? |
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| 16:26.55 | greycat | jhutchins: there's aliasing going on. Symlinks and stuff. |
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| 16:30.27 | CrowX- | greycat, is it possible that there are 3 different partitions on the lvm? |
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| 16:31.07 | greycat | Each logical volume counts like a partition. It can have a file system, or a raw Oracle database cat-litter area, if Oracle still does that.... |
| 16:31.11 | greycat | Or swap space, etc. |
| 16:31.15 | CrowX- | this is an lvm used by a kvm/qemu virtual machine, and when I get into it and do "parted -l", I see 3 different partitions |
| 16:31.50 | greycat | Ah, then it is being used as a "virtual disk" and has its own partition table and so on. |
| 16:32.26 | CrowX- | anything I can do to mount a parition of it? |
| 16:33.48 | greycat | I don't know. Maybe the heavy VM people will have some ideas. |
| 16:34.58 | jmcnaught | CrowX-: you can access it from a VM of course. There's also http://libguestfs.org/ (package libguestfs-tools in Debian). |
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| 16:37.53 | CrowX- | I handled it using kpartx |
| 16:37.58 | CrowX- | thanks |
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| 17:42.00 | Joose43 | Hello, what happens if I transfer a file from a ext4 file system to NTFS or the other way? Which permissions will the file have? What happens if the permissions are lost? |
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| 17:42.44 | arvind | guys, I just installed dbeian jessie but my soundcard is not working. I have the output of lspci -V pasted @ http://paste.debian.net/862087/ |
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| 17:43.12 | jelly-home | Joose43: in general, the permissions _will_ be lost |
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| 17:43.38 | Joose43 | jelly-home: Ok, but which permission will the file then have? 000? |
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| 17:44.15 | jelly-home | Joose43: NTFS has a lots more complex permission system than unix (or even unix + posix acl) permissions |
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| 17:44.33 | jelly-home | Joose43: typically that depends on your umask and the tool you use to copy/move files |
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| 17:45.01 | Joose43 | jelly-home: Say I transfer from NTFS to Linux (ext4). So, if I transfer to /home, then it has the normal rights for this directory -> umask? |
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| 17:45.35 | jelly-home | Joose43: which tool are you using, and which options? |
| 17:45.59 | Guest55911 | Hello. I have a HP 6735s laptop. I have Debian Jessie installed on it. Its video card is a Radeon HD 3200. I've noticed that, since I installed Linux on it, I can't regulated the "backlight" of the screen, that is always at minimum level. How can I solve the problem? |
| 17:46.00 | Joose43 | jelly-home: Nothing at the moment, but it's a general question. Because I don't understand it by now. |
| 17:46.36 | jelly-home | Joose43: mount your ntfs. look at ls -ld /path/to/file/on/ntfs, that's kernel's approximation on what's on ntfs and that's basically what you'll get if you cp -p |
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| 17:48.05 | jelly-home | to make things more confusing, there are mount options for ntfs that change the apparent permissions |
| 17:48.11 | Joose43 | jelly-home: I create a NAS for both Linux and Windows computers. And I wonder which file system it will work with? |
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| 17:48.18 | Joose43 | jelly-home: It uses Samba |
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| 17:49.09 | jelly-home | Joose43: then it will use cifs/smb2/smb3, the network filesystem that samba implements |
| 17:49.25 | jelly-home | and you basically don't care what the NAS itself uses inside |
| 17:49.47 | RichiH | jelly-home: just a quick check: i am sol, correct> |
| 17:49.50 | Joose43 | jelly-home: Oh, so it doesn't matter which file system the external hdd has? |
| 17:50.44 | jelly-home | RichiH: don't have context for that, sorry? |
| 17:51.15 | RichiH | i feel stupid asking this, but i have a process which is stuck on a non-responding disk. said process is hogging nearly 99% wa, load is at ~10; i tried to kill -9 the process several times but that didn't work. any way to nuke it from orbit and flush the waiting queue? |
| 17:51.18 | jelly-home | scrolls |
| 17:51.33 | RichiH | jelly-home: of course, the other shell is stuck in a dist-upgrade |
| 17:51.44 | RichiH | cause _if_ things go bad... |
| 17:51.47 | RichiH | they go _BAD_ |
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| 17:52.26 | jelly-home | RichiH: ah, you're confusing cause and effect there. The kernel shows the process is polling on IO (100% wa) _because_ it cannot write/read |
| 17:52.53 | jelly-home | the IO has already gone to the kernel (and driver and hardware) side of things |
| 17:52.54 | RichiH | yes, i know |
| 17:53.11 | RichiH | still, i want to just get rid of it all |
| 17:53.16 | RichiH | without reboot, if possible |
| 17:53.36 | jelly-home | if the hardware wakes up, then the queue will presumably clear on its own |
| 17:53.48 | RichiH | jelly-home: it won't |
| 17:53.48 | jelly-home | nothing the process can do about it |
| 17:53.53 | RichiH | the disk is borked |
| 17:54.09 | RichiH | jelly-home: well, if i could tell the kernel to just give up trying... |
| 17:54.20 | jelly-home | then you don't have any way to kill it that I know of, sorry |
| 17:54.38 | jelly-home | Joo... eh |
| 17:55.33 | jelly-home | apart from the one you want to avoid |
| 17:56.00 | jelly-home | I wonder if you can echo 1 >> /sys/block/sdDEAD/device/delete |
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| 17:56.19 | jelly-home | probably not |
| 17:57.05 | RichiH | jelly-home: no such file |
| 17:57.28 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.56 | jelly-home | I don't know which sd device you have a problem with |
| 17:57.58 | RichiH | ... |
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| 17:58.15 | RichiH | i meant that there is no /sys/block/sdg/device/delete |
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| 17:58.24 | jelly-home | how old is that kernel |
| 17:58.27 | RichiH | 4.3 |
| 17:58.32 | jelly-home | that's not old |
| 17:58.46 | RichiH | that would be correct |
| 17:59.12 | RichiH | just cross-checked, none of the disks has a delete |
| 17:59.16 | jelly-home | what _is_ there in /sys/block/sdg/device/ then? |
| 17:59.30 | jelly-home | what kind of disk controller is used? |
| 17:59.48 | jelly-home | could be a weird driver |
| 18:00.25 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/862119/ |
| 18:00.28 | RichiH | it's a usb drive |
| 18:00.29 | jelly-home | typicaly ide/sata/scsi/sas stuff exposes that as a way to spin down and disconnect the drive from the bus (think hot unplug) |
| 18:00.39 | RichiH | but none of the sata ones have one, either |
| 18:01.31 | jelly-home | if it's usb, forget it, I bet dmesg will show it already disconnected from usb and left crap after itself |
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| 18:02.04 | RichiH | jelly-home: so... reboot... |
| 18:02.08 | RichiH | and hope for the best |
| 18:02.31 | jelly-home | also maybe unplug that thing and don't ever plug it back in |
| 18:02.42 | RichiH | jelly-home: heh |
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| 18:02.47 | RichiH | really? ;) |
| 18:02.51 | jelly-home | --w------- 1 root root 4096 Oct 10 20:01 /sys/block/sda/device/delete # all my sata |
| 18:03.08 | RichiH | weird |
| 18:03.14 | RichiH | what kernel |
| 18:03.17 | L72g5sSq | I successfully completeed the new maintainer's tutorial for creating a debian package. Neat. What do maintainers check into source/version control? Just the debian folder which contains the control, rules, changelog, etc.? Or the entire project directory? |
| 18:03.36 | RichiH | L72g5sSq: there's about a dozen workflows |
| 18:03.42 | jelly-home | anything from 2.6.32 to 4.7 |
| 18:03.49 | RichiH | jelly-home: hmm |
| 18:04.07 | RichiH | L72g5sSq: if it's git, i like to use git-buildpackage |
| 18:04.12 | L72g5sSq | RichiH: Do you have any www resources I can read on those workflows? |
| 18:04.13 | L72g5sSq | Oh |
| 18:04.24 | jelly-home | (the lower bound is there just because I don't have anything older than squeeze at hand) |
| 18:04.34 | RichiH | jelly-home: heh |
| 18:04.50 | RichiH | L72g5sSq: that way, i have my debian stuff in its own tree |
| 18:05.00 | RichiH | and do it all with tags |
| 18:05.47 | RichiH | L72g5sSq: https://github.com/RichiH/vcsh/network |
| 18:06.51 | L72g5sSq | Alright |
| 18:06.57 | L72g5sSq | Going to read https://wiki.debian.org/PackagingWithGit |
| 18:07.12 | L72g5sSq | Seems a bit complicated |
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| 18:15.03 | RichiH | L72g5sSq: yes |
| 18:15.06 | RichiH | worth it, though |
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| 18:15.55 | RichiH | jelly-home: after reboot, all drives have a delete |
| 18:15.57 | RichiH | wtf |
| 18:16.28 | jelly-home | RichiH: could be the kernel hides sysfs APIs that are locked out for some reason |
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| 18:16.54 | RichiH | jelly-home: prolly |
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| 18:17.54 | jelly-home | it's 2016, usb still sucks |
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| 18:18.37 | jelly-home | but it does so much faster and I can usually read off SMART data and I'm not complaining. |
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| 18:26.12 | xyassin | badusb is scary |
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| 18:57.20 | jak2013 | how to resieze a lvm partition? add more space? |
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| 18:57.41 | SpeedyG | lvresize ? |
| 18:58.13 | rozie_ | jak2013: this is not exactly Debian question. and topic is widely described in the internet. just search |
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| 18:58.20 | XinZhao | hola |
| 18:58.36 | XinZhao | I seem to be having an issue where input isnt properly grabbed when I hover my mouse over something |
| 18:58.41 | XinZhao | is there a setting for that? |
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| 19:04.24 | petn-randall | XinZhao: Can you add some details? What are you hovering over? What application is this? What desktop environment? |
| 19:04.54 | XinZhao | its debian 8s default window manager thing |
| 19:04.58 | XinZhao | synaptic is the app |
| 19:05.14 | XinZhao | like for example I press ok on a prompt |
| 19:05.23 | XinZhao | and it wont return focus to the list I was just in |
| 19:05.30 | XinZhao | even if its hovered |
| 19:05.40 | jelly-home | jak2013: what do you mean by "a lvm partition", a logical volume or a physical volume? |
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| 19:06.29 | babilen | Don't you have to specifically enable focus-follow-mouse on Gnome? |
| 19:06.58 | babilen | XinZhao: Might want to check how to set/enable that in Gnome 3 |
| 19:07.08 | XinZhao | babilen, I thought that might be the case |
| 19:07.11 | XinZhao | thus my question |
| 19:07.19 | XinZhao | ill google that and see what comes up |
| 19:07.20 | XinZhao | cheers |
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| 19:07.51 | jak2013 | logical volume |
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| 19:08.31 | jak2013 | and why when id try ping 8.8.8.8 i get: network is unreachable? |
| 19:09.45 | greycat | Because your default route (gateway) is wrong, or because of firewalls, or because you've disabled IPv4, or other things I can't htink of. |
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| 19:09.55 | jak2013 | ok thanks |
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| 19:34.49 | thurstylark | I have a machine that's acting as a router, and also serving DNS to its clients using bind. It only has 2 entries (by design) and if a client requests an entry that it doesn't have, the server should return a failure, and the client should fail over to their secondary nameserver. Instead, I'm finding that the server is serving ALL requests, and acting like a forwarding/caching DNS server. All of the |
| 19:34.50 | thurstylark | configuration that I can see has forwarding disabled, but it still answers for unknown entries. How can I make it stop forwarding requests? |
| 19:36.13 | greycat | Resolver clients are not supposed to "fail over to a secondary" if the primary returns an NXDOMAIN (no such domain). The NXDOMAIN is intended to be treated as an authoritative statemetn. |
| 19:37.16 | thurstylark | Ahh, so clients are only supposed to fail over if the first server doesn't respond at all? |
| 19:37.41 | greycat | Or if the server returns an error that means "I'm broken, sorry". I don't know the gory details. |
| 19:38.19 | thurstylark | alrighty, so the only way to get the behavior I want is with the currently running caching server... |
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| 19:39.58 | thurstylark | In that case, why is forwarding working without having been configured that way? |
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| 19:40.26 | XinZhao | yo yo |
| 19:40.44 | XinZhao | is there any kind of thing like group policy for linux? |
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| 19:41.00 | greycat | I'm not sure what you mean by "forwarding" exactly. Are you *truly* forwarding to a specific set of servers for domains that can't be looked up in the normal way (internal corporate stuff)? Or are you just letting normal DNS happen? |
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| 19:41.12 | XinZhao | like, where I can have authoritive local servers and issue configuration commands to clients? |
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| 19:41.54 | preaction | so... configuration management? or like LDAP for user accounts and kerberos for authentication? |
| 19:42.25 | XinZhao | config management |
| 19:42.28 | XinZhao | ideally |
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| 19:42.55 | XinZhao | and allowing commands to be issued en masse with targeting, so I can just broadcast one thing and do a thing on the client if x is true |
| 19:43.06 | XinZhao | though I dont need EVERYTHING like that |
| 19:43.12 | XinZhao | that's just what I can do with gpo's |
| 19:43.22 | preaction | so there's lots of things, but ansible, puppet, and chef seem to be the most popular. |
| 19:43.22 | XinZhao | (windows group policy objects) |
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| 19:43.57 | XinZhao | ive talked with a friend about puppet for some time, but it didn't really seem like what I actually need |
| 19:44.03 | XinZhao | let me recheck |
| 19:44.06 | XinZhao | brb |
| 19:44.10 | preaction | there's nothing i know of built-in to most linux distros though, except ssh and shell scripts (which sound kind of similar in a lowest-common-denominator sort of way) |
| 19:44.43 | thurstylark | greycat: I guess I don't know, really. It is kind of like an internal corporate network kind of thing on a much smaller scale. We just have those two addresses that need to resolve to a machine on the local network, and the rest can be resolved by other DNS servers. |
| 19:44.45 | XinZhao | yeah well I can do something nasty like scan the network for ip's and then poll them for some info or something |
| 19:44.50 | XinZhao | but all that sounds like a lot of work |
| 19:44.53 | XinZhao | I want something managable |
| 19:45.04 | preaction | like, your script could totally `if [[ -x FILE ]]; then; do a thing; fi` and then you `for S in one two three; do ssh $S myscript.sh; done` |
| 19:45.22 | XinZhao | hm true |
| 19:45.34 | XinZhao | how do I quickly run it everywhere? |
| 19:45.42 | preaction | that's what the second one does |
| 19:45.50 | preaction | or perhaps GNU parallel? |
| 19:45.59 | greycat | thurstylark: so, basically you have BIND configured as a client-resolver with two "exceptions". It will look up except1 and except2 and www.google.com and www.debian.org, right? So what is the problem? |
| 19:46.07 | XinZhao | second one sorry? puppet? |
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| 19:46.36 | XinZhao | haha puppet is fucking $120 a node over 10 nodes |
| 19:46.39 | preaction | XinZhao: the second thing in `` in my comment. the `for` loop which uses `ssh`. which i now realize does not work |
| 19:46.49 | preaction | nah, puppet is foss. don't buy their crap |
| 19:46.52 | XinZhao | our 4 display capable systems are costing us like $300 each rofl |
| 19:46.57 | XinZhao | oh I thought it was |
| 19:47.35 | thurstylark | greycat: That is the desired end result. The problem is that I don't know why it's working. It wasn't configured by me, and I'm trying to figure out why it's working the way it is so I can fix it or change it if need be. |
| 19:47.55 | greycat | thurstylark: have you found any cases that are *not* working? |
| 19:48.20 | preaction | XinZhao: we use ansible, if that makes any difference. but ansible is more static configuration, less "hey, run this script on this box". in my home stuff i use Rex (http://rexify.org), but i'm a perl dev and rex's task-oriented architecture appeals to me |
| 19:48.20 | thurstylark | greycat: so far, no. |
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| 19:48.48 | greycat | If it resolves your two exceptions, and a common outside domain name (www.debian.org for example), and if it successfully gives NXDOMAIN on all nonexistent domains, then I'd say it's correct. |
| 19:48.56 | XinZhao | preaction, well we probably dont need to dynamically do anything really given its all central vm's and local snapshots |
| 19:48.59 | XinZhao | but |
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| 19:49.03 | XinZhao | its good to have the option |
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| 19:49.25 | XinZhao | im not going to have like 20+ workstations in an office and NOT be able to botnet them |
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| 19:49.31 | XinZhao | jeez |
| 19:49.34 | XinZhao | ;p |
| 19:49.53 | preaction | XinZhao: like, it's more that "you change the config, and then ansible make sure the box looks like you want". it's hard, in that context, to do "run this shell command on all boxes" |
| 19:50.05 | XinZhao | ANSIBLE IS $5000 A YEAR |
| 19:50.06 | XinZhao | CMON |
| 19:50.12 | preaction | but, as i mentioned, ssh+sh can do that |
| 19:50.23 | XinZhao | yeah no I like this idea a lot tbh |
| 19:50.25 | preaction | also open source. these are all open source, free software projects |
| 19:50.38 | XinZhao | I used to do similar things on windows before we got good access to GPO's |
| 19:50.49 | XinZhao | using um, powertools |
| 19:50.53 | XinZhao | pstools |
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| 19:50.58 | XinZhao | yeah, that thing |
| 19:51.07 | XinZhao | howeverrr |
| 19:51.15 | XinZhao | I will need to get all the nodessss |
| 19:51.21 | XinZhao | easiest way to do that? |
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| 19:51.29 | equilibrium | dudes need help |
| 19:51.56 | preaction | yeah. there are ways to do discovery, but from what i understand they're all kind of crap. perhaps ask the dhcpd where all the nodes are? |
| 19:52.11 | XinZhao | well |
| 19:52.15 | XinZhao | I coulllllldddd |
| 19:52.20 | XinZhao | have it curl its way into my router |
| 19:52.21 | XinZhao | lol |
| 19:52.36 | equilibrium | i just debian without desktop enviroment interface, now i need it to acess internet to install gnu step |
| 19:52.36 | XinZhao | but that seems hugely ugly |
| 19:52.42 | XinZhao | cant I just say |
| 19:52.49 | XinZhao | install snmp on every node? |
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| 19:52.52 | equilibrium | i have a cable and i have wireless |
| 19:52.54 | XinZhao | and then send a broadcast |
| 19:52.58 | XinZhao | and they will respond |
| 19:52.59 | preaction | we also use etcd, which i'm not sure what exactly it is, but it says "service discovery" |
| 19:53.00 | XinZhao | or somesuch |
| 19:53.10 | preaction | maybe? i think snmp requires you know the ip already though |
| 19:53.25 | equilibrium | i plug the know next what i have to do to have internet? |
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| 19:53.33 | equilibrium | cable* |
| 19:53.51 | XinZhao | no id just send a broadcast to 255.255.255.255 |
| 19:53.56 | XinZhao | and the router would multicast it |
| 19:54.01 | XinZhao | and reply to me |
| 19:54.02 | XinZhao | afaik |
| 19:54.17 | XinZhao | im no expert at these things |
| 19:54.27 | XinZhao | I was cisco certified at one point but that was like 10+ years ago lol |
| 19:54.30 | XinZhao | maybe even 15 |
| 19:54.35 | preaction | neither am i unfortunately. but the only snmp discovery things i'm finding are brute-force searches on netblocks |
| 19:54.49 | XinZhao | yeah thats less than ideal |
| 19:54.51 | XinZhao | what about um |
| 19:54.57 | XinZhao | can I maybeeeee |
| 19:55.22 | XinZhao | latch an event/watcher on to a network interface so if the ip changes it informs my servers ip |
| 19:55.29 | XinZhao | that seems easy right |
| 19:55.47 | XinZhao | surely theres locator servers already |
| 19:55.52 | preaction | that seems like something you'd need to do on the router |
| 19:56.05 | XinZhao | no itd operate per node |
| 19:56.10 | preaction | it's funny because i'm working at a hosting company solving these exact problems and i know very little about them :p |
| 19:56.18 | XinZhao | 'oh eth0 has a new ip - here it is guy' |
| 19:56.33 | XinZhao | I could run my own dhcp server |
| 19:56.36 | XinZhao | but thats stupid |
| 19:56.39 | preaction | you'd need a script on the box to do that |
| 19:56.41 | XinZhao | my router is insanely expensive |
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| 19:56.48 | XinZhao | right, I can do whatever I need on the box |
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| 19:56.56 | XinZhao | as I say its all central vms and local snapshots |
| 19:57.06 | XinZhao | connected over gigabit nas |
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| 19:57.29 | equilibrium | how i connect my eeepc on to the internet using cable and terminal only? |
| 19:57.32 | preaction | i mean, we run our own dhcpd for this and other purposes. when a new node gets spun up, before boot, it asks for a dhcp and we see it and tell it "okay, boot in pxe with this OS" and then the OS phones home and tells us all the hardware |
| 19:57.32 | XinZhao | so like I can make a change to the central vm |
| 19:57.41 | XinZhao | and then when a node restarts it will get that update |
| 19:57.52 | XinZhao | but I cant restart every node at once right now |
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| 19:58.07 | XinZhao | yeah a dhcp server would have other uses |
| 19:58.15 | XinZhao | but as I say my router is insanely good at its job |
| 19:58.21 | XinZhao | my server could only do it worse |
| 19:58.22 | XinZhao | lol |
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| 19:58.40 | preaction | does it have an api? our routers have an api we use to do fun things |
| 19:58.58 | XinZhao | eh, without hackery its just a web interface |
| 19:59.10 | XinZhao | we are keeping most of our infrastructure stuff high level |
| 19:59.18 | preaction | cisco, then? we're juniper |
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| 19:59.34 | preaction | anyway, i believe debian has a place in /etc to install hooks for network up/down |
| 19:59.38 | nortti | friend upgraded server to testing from jessie, currently irssi refuses to start as cannot find libperl.so.5.20, installed version is libperl.so.5.24, symlinking will not make it run. all upgrades applied, tried to reinstall irssi, package sources are right. any idea how to get irssi to run? |
| 20:00.26 | XinZhao | well we have a few options, one of us owns a Cisco 7301 |
| 20:00.37 | XinZhao | but for now we just assume its just a web interface |
| 20:00.56 | greycat | preaction: see the first example on http://mywiki.wooledge.org/IpAddress |
| 20:01.53 | missmbob | !tell nortti about debian-next |
| 20:01.53 | preaction | XinZhao: see what greycat said? |
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| 20:03.40 | XinZhao | um, yeah |
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| 20:03.58 | XinZhao | its not particularly helpful to what I need though lol |
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| 20:04.08 | XinZhao | I never even suggested parsing ifconfig |
| 20:04.26 | preaction | i think it's just the block of code there |
| 20:04.32 | XinZhao | merely by the client connecting to my 'locator' service I described I would know their details |
| 20:04.46 | XinZhao | oh! |
| 20:04.47 | preaction | so, that sounds like etcd |
| 20:04.49 | XinZhao | haha |
| 20:05.04 | XinZhao | let me check out etcd cause that name sounds promising for what I need mainly lol |
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| 20:05.54 | preaction | maybe? i dunno. it seems too simple to even be useful to me... but we're using it for orchestration and i notice a lot of other people using it for huge clusters and discovery |
| 20:06.04 | XinZhao | this is really awesome |
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| 20:06.18 | XinZhao | this will totally do for the config management |
| 20:06.25 | XinZhao | however I still need to find the nodes lol |
| 20:06.33 | XinZhao | what about nmap? |
| 20:06.35 | preaction | the nodes find the etcd, is the point |
| 20:06.38 | XinZhao | cant I do some hackery with that |
| 20:06.46 | XinZhao | oh really? |
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| 20:06.52 | XinZhao | hm |
| 20:07.00 | preaction | the etcd is running on some known collection of nodes. you make your nodes start up and connect to the etcd |
| 20:07.07 | XinZhao | if it has a way to send an arbitrary command too then that would be dope |
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| 20:07.25 | preaction | that's not part of etcd. but you could make it part of ansible/puppet/chef using info from etcd |
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| 20:07.52 | preaction | so whatever script connects to etcd, gets the list of nodes, and then does the thing on all the nodes |
| 20:08.03 | XinZhao | etcd kind of seems like as well its just a key value store |
| 20:08.10 | XinZhao | does it actually work with like, /etc/ ? |
| 20:08.19 | XinZhao | or do I need to implement it specially for anything Iwant |
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| 20:08.30 | preaction | no idea. i'm guessing no and they're just confusingly named because that's what the kids do nowadays |
| 20:08.47 | XinZhao | tbh I think with the vm solution we have we have like 90% of it covered |
| 20:08.53 | XinZhao | they get the base image |
| 20:08.59 | XinZhao | which is 100% our control |
| 20:09.05 | XinZhao | then their needs are applied on top of that |
| 20:09.14 | XinZhao | as snapshots from their local workstation |
| 20:09.17 | ledufakademy | hi, |
| 20:09.33 | XinZhao | not that we're locking anything down, they can change whatever they want |
| 20:09.36 | XinZhao | but its independant |
| 20:09.48 | XinZhao | and I can just update the core vm with whatever I need |
| 20:10.02 | XinZhao | and a reboot and they're replicated |
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| 20:10.03 | ledufakademy | which linux is better for install on packard bell onetwo , (imac like , with touch screen) ? |
| 20:10.11 | XinZhao | in theory anyway haha.. still working on the specifics |
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| 20:11.46 | XinZhao | ill give it some thought anyway |
| 20:11.51 | XinZhao | thanks for your time preaction |
| 20:12.00 | preaction | np, good luck |
| 20:12.27 | preaction | it's a pretty wild and innovating space right now, so it's hard to see what's good and not |
| 20:12.45 | XinZhao | haha well its just more like, we dont want to get too bogged down in it |
| 20:12.53 | XinZhao | its just the things that allow us to do our work |
| 20:12.57 | XinZhao | not our core business |
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| 20:13.09 | ledufakademy | is ubuntu touch a good choice for tablet use ? |
| 20:13.19 | abrotman | ledufakademy: please ask #ubuntu |
| 20:13.19 | ledufakademy | (it's a pc with touch screen) |
| 20:13.20 | preaction | ledufakademy: that sounds like a #ubuntu question |
| 20:13.29 | ledufakademy | ok |
| 20:13.55 | XinZhao | slightly off topic |
| 20:13.58 | XinZhao | but; https://opensource.com/business/16/3/top-project-management-tools-2016 |
| 20:14.05 | XinZhao | anyone have any opinions on these? |
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| 20:14.29 | XinZhao | taiga.io looks impressive |
| 20:14.47 | XinZhao | tuleap looks like its got a good workflow |
| 20:15.17 | XinZhao | redmine ive had bad experiences with |
| 20:15.22 | preaction | from the screenshots, they all look uniformly terrible :( but i enjoy jira, and hated trello, and tolerate github issues (not their new project thing, haven't tried it) |
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| 20:15.42 | preaction | mycollab looks like it's trying to be jira, which may be a good thing? |
| 20:15.58 | preaction | taiga does look really nice though |
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| 20:16.45 | XinZhao | the libre options at the bottom dont look terrible either |
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| 20:17.45 | XinZhao | I really wish something would give me collaborative mind maps |
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| 20:28.04 | equilibrium | dudes how i connect my pc without the desktop enviroment to the internet? |
| 20:28.15 | equilibrium | with cable |
| 20:28.35 | sh00p | sudo dhclient ethX |
| 20:28.50 | sh00p | or you can set a static ip with ipconfig |
| 20:29.03 | greycat | This assumes your local area network has a working DHCP server. |
| 20:29.13 | equilibrium | it has |
| 20:29.31 | greycat | So /etc/network/interfaces should have the two lines "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 20:29.38 | greycat | That's basically it. |
| 20:29.43 | rattking | equilibrium: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration has info on how to do that in a way that will survive reboots |
| 20:30.05 | greycat | (Well, also the loopback/localhost lines. Don't touch thsoe.) |
| 20:30.28 | equilibrium | ok it woked |
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| 20:34.02 | jhutchins | Yep, this whole internet/networking thing pre-dates the GUI. Even in Windows you used to have to do it on a console. |
| 20:35.32 | greycat | If some other piece of equipment on your network is already doing the hard bits (routing through an ISP to the internet, acting as DHCP server for the LAN) then getting a new machine onto the network is *really easy*, as we just described. |
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| 21:15.29 | habs | I can suspend my laptop by running "systemctl suspend", but it seems like my laptop doesn't even attempt to suspend when I close the lid, even though my /etc/systemd/logind.conf reads "HandleLidSwitch=suspend". What can I do to debug / fix this further? |
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| 21:16.37 | neilthereildeil | how can i permamently allow root to run X applications on my devbox? |
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| 21:16.46 | awal1 | check if that config doesn't conflict with your DE power management settings, habs |
| 21:16.47 | habs | Actually I found the appropriate setting graphically, thanks! |
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| 21:17.06 | habs | awal1: Yes, I didn't know DE power management could conflict |
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| 21:18.29 | neilthereildeil | i tried setting the XAuthority file, but that didnt work |
| 21:19.15 | d3lphi | jelly-home: sorry for late reply. I did execute "locale" in bash |
| 21:19.37 | d3lphi | jelly-home: logged in through SSH, but also tried on local console |
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| 21:34.58 | tahr8471 | Hello guys what distro is better for old laptops, AntiX or Lite? |
| 21:35.20 | arvind | on a fresh installed defaul jessie installation, will my computer go in hibranation when I play an mp3 on loop for the entire night while sleeping? |
| 21:35.25 | stoned | hola mola |
| 21:35.35 | stoned | does debian have a infographic making software package in gui? |
| 21:35.41 | stoned | i can't seem to locate anything. |
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| 21:36.01 | stoned | Is there anything geard toward that? gimp sucks. |
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| 21:37.03 | jmcnaught | stoned: have you tried inkscape? |
| 21:37.12 | stoned | the vector one, yes |
| 21:37.22 | stoned | I was thinking something like this |
| 21:37.30 | stoned | but not exactly, but original bout other things |
| 21:37.33 | stoned | hang on |
| 21:37.40 | stoned | https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55ec38d4e4b06d2ca0163047/t/56935ff59cadb61a0a1b77fa/1452498975857/?format=1000w |
| 21:38.08 | stoned | I used to use something like corel draw back in the mid 90s |
| 21:38.21 | stoned | something like that would be excellent. OO draw program is really terrible. |
| 21:38.50 | stoned | But yeah, this doe kind of seem vectory. |
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| 21:39.13 | jmcnaught | stoned: inkscape is the same kind of program as corel draw or adobe illustrator. Inkscape would be a good pick for making something like ^^ |
| 21:39.24 | stoned | Okie dokie |
| 21:39.32 | jmcnaught | or karbon |
| 21:40.07 | stoned | Oh I like qt. |
| 21:40.34 | arvind | any good alternatives for vlc? it seems to crash when i want to play a mp4 |
| 21:40.44 | stoned | smplayer |
| 21:40.50 | stoned | or mplayer |
| 21:41.01 | stoned | I have used smplayer for years and I find it really cool |
| 21:41.03 | AimHere | mpv seems to be the shinier newer mplayer |
| 21:41.07 | stoned | oh yeah |
| 21:41.14 | stoned | right, I use smplayer2 or something with mpv |
| 21:41.16 | stoned | iirc. |
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| 21:41.36 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.40 | stoned | there is an old version here |
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| 21:42.13 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.16 | arvind | what is the diff between mplayer and mplayer2? |
| 21:42.20 | stoned | I only used the non debian version b/c of smtube. |
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| 21:42.54 | SuperTramp83 | smplayer is da king! |
| 21:42.57 | arvind | you mix with ubuntu? |
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| 21:43.31 | stoned | 16.9.0-1~vivid1 vs. 14.9.0~ds0-1. Stable can get a bit stale. |
| 21:43.45 | stoned | If you don't need anything specific from a later version like I did, stick with debian's packaged version. |
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| 21:43.56 | jmcnaught | installing packaged meant for Ubuntu on Debian is not recommended |
| 21:44.16 | stoned | I would not recommend it, but the option is there. |
| 21:44.34 | jmcnaught | totem is okay for gnome users |
| 21:44.36 | stoned | Can't tell one what to do. Can only provide information. Let them do what they want. |
| 21:44.39 | arvind | stoned SuperTramp83 what audio player do you guys use for looping quality mp3/flac for an enitre night? |
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| 21:44.55 | arvind | stoned, it is much appreciated dude! :) |
| 21:45.00 | stoned | mpoc |
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| 21:46.14 | arvind | seems mpoc is not in jessie |
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| 21:46.19 | stoned | Oh sorry |
| 21:46.20 | stoned | ,v moc |
| 21:46.22 | judd | Package: moc on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.5.0~alpha4+svn20120224-1; jessie: 1:2.5.0-1; stretch: 1:2.6.0~svn-r2848-1; sid: 1:2.6.0~svn-r2848-1; jessie-multimedia: 2:2.5.0-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 2:2.5.1-dmo1 |
| 21:46.24 | stoned | binary is mocp |
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| 21:46.30 | stoned | I have old fingers, sorry |
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| 21:46.54 | neredsenvy | I created a user using useradd -ms /bin/bash coreusr than I did gpasswd -a coreusr sudo. Yet this user cannot run apt-get update or install I get. |
| 21:47.04 | neredsenvy | Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied) |
| 21:47.15 | arvind | stoned, i see it seems like it is only ncruses based, is there a player with GUI? |
| 21:47.22 | stoned | # transparent mocp music player |
| 21:47.24 | stoned | alias m='mocp -T transparent-background' |
| 21:47.27 | stoned | yes! moc is gui. |
| 21:47.30 | stoned | ncurses is a gui. |
| 21:47.35 | arvind | neredsenvy, need root |
| 21:47.36 | neredsenvy | Should I add it to root group or / |
| 21:47.52 | neredsenvy | arvind, so just gpasswd -a .. root |
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| 21:48.52 | neredsenvy | Not favorable |
| 21:48.53 | SuperTramp83 | I like exaile, arvind |
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| 21:49.26 | SuperTramp83 | there was another one I really like for it is just like the old winamp, can't remember the name of the package though |
| 21:50.02 | stoned | https://bitbucket.org/blaze/exo/ |
| 21:50.06 | stoned | Nice gui plugin for moc |
| 21:50.12 | stoned | stupid gui! |
| 21:50.16 | stoned | gooey sucks :D |
| 21:50.20 | stoned | gooey gui |
| 21:51.16 | SuperTramp83 | stoned: qmmp |
| 21:51.23 | stoned | NOOOOO!!!1 |
| 21:51.26 | SuperTramp83 | did u try that one? |
| 21:51.44 | stoned | sure |
| 21:51.46 | stoned | like when I was a kid. |
| 21:51.49 | stoned | decades ago. |
| 21:51.55 | SuperTramp83 | hehe :) |
| 21:51.59 | stoned | winamp, xmms, xmms2, qmmp |
| 21:51.59 | SuperTramp83 | I like it |
| 21:52.01 | stoned | same old same old |
| 21:52.04 | stoned | :D |
| 21:52.07 | stoned | Good stuff. Simple. |
| 21:52.12 | SuperTramp83 | yep :P |
| 21:52.42 | stoned | Wow, I been on linux for over 20 years. That's crazy. |
| 21:53.15 | SuperTramp83 | minimalism ftw, although I like also heavier GUI programs when done properly, like "exaile" for instance |
| 21:53.27 | stoned | hm. |
| 21:53.33 | stoned | When i gui, I only prefer Clementine. |
| 21:53.34 | SuperTramp83 | January the first will be 3 years for me :P |
| 21:53.38 | stoned | Then again, I'm a little stoned. |
| 21:53.41 | stoned | :D |
| 21:53.43 | stoned | \o/ |
| 21:53.50 | stoned | ,v clementine |
| 21:53.51 | judd | Package: clementine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1+dfsg-2+b1; jessie: 1.2.3+dfsg-2+b1; stretch: 1.3.1+dfsg-1+b2; sid: 1.3.1+dfsg-1+b2 |
| 21:53.51 | SuperTramp83 | heh.. ^^ |
| 21:54.04 | stoned | I wonder what the new versions have |
| 21:54.07 | stoned | checks |
| 21:56.06 | stoned | nothing. |
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| 22:00.49 | arvind | hello |
| 22:01.18 | arvind | Will debian jessie by default hibranate if the computer is left untouched and has just a mp3 playing on loop? |
| 22:01.53 | polemic | that would probably depend on the default settings of your desktop environment, I think. |
| 22:02.13 | mtn | depends on what hibernate means to you |
| 22:02.15 | stoned | I don't think so |
| 22:02.19 | stoned | It's never done that for me on a desktop |
| 22:02.21 | arvind | polemic, i am using xfce4 |
| 22:02.23 | stoned | On a laptop, I don't knwo the settings |
| 22:02.33 | stoned | Maybe there are some power save options turned on for laptops? |
| 22:02.44 | arvind | mtn, that the mp3 will stop playing or the sounds stops |
| 22:02.53 | arvind | it is just a desktop pc no laptop |
| 22:02.57 | stoned | sleep, hibernate, poweroff |
| 22:03.02 | mtn | arvind: hibernate means suspend to disk. that will not happen unless you tell it to |
| 22:03.19 | arvind | great! |
| 22:03.24 | stoned | https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation |
| 22:03.25 | mtn | arvind: suspend means suspend to ram. that is quite different |
| 22:03.27 | stoned | Read this. |
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| 22:03.37 | stoned | suspend/sleep same thing. |
| 22:03.49 | stoned | then you have hibernate, which is dump memory to disk and power down. |
| 22:03.54 | stoned | then you have last mode, total power down. |
| 22:04.22 | stoned | You may get hibernation working out of the box (even without uswsusp), provided that you have a swap partition big enough to hold an image of the system. |
| 22:04.35 | stoned | That is, swap same size or bigger than the total amount of RAM |
| 22:04.52 | stoned | So if you have 32gb ram, you can see this causing an issue. |
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| 22:08.43 | arvind | hmm |
| 22:08.55 | arvind | firefox is giving me segmentation errors when browsing on facebook |
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| 22:09.43 | stoned | I use chrome. Crashes less. |
| 22:09.58 | arvind | yes, just tested chrome and fb works fine |
| 22:09.59 | stoned | arvind: try firefox safe mode |
| 22:10.09 | stoned | make sure you're not using any goofy extentions |
| 22:10.19 | stoned | if it works in safe mode, you know it's an extention |
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| 22:10.29 | arvind | stoned, no it is just firefox-esr without any extension |
| 22:10.31 | xand | try not using that shit website |
| 22:10.36 | stoned | LOL |
| 22:10.39 | arvind | fresh install couple hours ago |
| 22:10.45 | stoned | Some of us have to use it |
| 22:10.54 | arvind | girls girls girls |
| 22:10.58 | xand | have to? why? |
| 22:11.00 | stoned | Some of the people are web devs and have to work within fb platform/sdks etc. |
| 22:11.04 | stoned | For work? |
| 22:11.13 | stoned | People do have marketing and socia media agencies |
| 22:11.13 | xand | I'm sorry |
| 22:11.15 | stoned | you know. |
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| 22:11.28 | stoned | Why are you sorry that there is like a totally different IT profession out there? |
| 22:11.52 | stoned | Sounds like you're miserable, and therefore judgmental and anguished. and it's pouring out publicly. |
| 22:11.55 | stoned | *shrug* |
| 22:12.21 | arvind | bit dissapointed with debian jessie. thought it would be stable. Now firefox crashes on me when I go to fb lol |
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| 22:13.00 | stoned | Firefox has never crashed for me in debian yet. |
| 22:13.32 | arvind | started firefox with firefox --safe-mode then it crashed again on me ... hmmm |
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| 22:13.42 | arvind | segmentfault |
| 22:13.57 | mtcj | oops |
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| 22:14.06 | mtn | arvind: rename your .mozilla folder, then start firefox again and test |
| 22:14.50 | arvind | mtn, alright i just rm -rf it, had not configured it anyway, it was just stock |
| 22:15.22 | mtn | arvind: it is also possible you are having a flash problem, depending on the page |
| 22:15.31 | stoned | It's also possible that firefox is just trash. |
| 22:15.34 | arvind | mtn, yup just crashed again |
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| 22:15.36 | stoned | I'm sorry. Harsh opinion. |
| 22:15.50 | arvind | mtn, chrome works fine though |
| 22:16.02 | mtn | arvind: probably a flash problem |
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| 22:16.38 | arvind | dpkg -l | grep flash shows nothing mtn |
| 22:16.38 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep flash shows nothing mtn |
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| 22:17.10 | mtn | arvind: ok, so ff just has good taste and wants to avoid fb :P |
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| 22:18.58 | stack | hello, how do I remove the boot lock when dirty bit is check on a fs? I need this for a headless system |
| 22:19.05 | arvind | mtn sucks a bit but chrome will do for now. I might switch to testing or sid tomorrow or maybe ubuntu. I need something working and "stable" |
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| 22:28.14 | missmbob | arvind: download the binary tarball from mozilla directly and see if it crashes for you |
| 22:30.53 | arvind | missmbob, ok doing it now |
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| 22:34.41 | bugzc_ | does debian jessie not have dieharder in the repos? |
| 22:34.47 | arvind | missmbob, yes also crashes. hmm, I installed some software from third party repos, one of them is fontconfig-infinality, libfreetype6 libcario and the second one is more of a modification in sysctl.conf where i reduced the swappiness to 20 |
| 22:35.23 | missmbob | bugzc_: no. |
| 22:35.25 | missmbob | ,v dieharder |
| 22:35.26 | judd | Package: dieharder on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.31.1-4; sid: 3.31.1-7; stretch: 3.31.1-7 |
| 22:35.34 | missmbob | ,checkbackport dieharder |
| 22:35.42 | judd | Backporting package dieharder in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgsl-dev. |
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| 22:35.46 | velix | Oh my. Debian still leaks important functions. I'm pre-setting debconf to a value. Running dpkg-reconfigure afterwards doesn't read the value set to debconfig, but resets it to default :( |
| 22:35.51 | bugzc_ | ugh. it's in sid and wheezy but not jessie? seriously |
| 22:36.03 | arvind | missmbob, and some stuff from debian-multimedia. I wonder if it is the fontconfig infinality breaking firefox |
| 22:36.30 | missmbob | arvind: oh that has to be it. i've had deb-multimedia cause so many problems |
| 22:36.40 | bugzc_ | reaches for lxc |
| 22:36.43 | missmbob | arvind: not a good idea to ever use them |
| 22:37.02 | missmbob | !deb multimedia |
| 22:37.03 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 22:37.10 | missmbob | arvind: see? ^ |
| 22:37.50 | arvind | missmbob, ok, is there a way to see what packages are from debian-multimedia in my system, I can not recall ... |
| 22:38.14 | missmbob | i have no idea if this factoid still works |
| 22:38.16 | missmbob | !dmm list |
| 22:38.17 | dpkg | To list all packages you have installed from deb-multimedia.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p. Note: apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). See also <which repo>. |
| 22:38.42 | missmbob | arvind: dinner time. good luck. |
| 22:38.53 | arvind | missmbob, thanks for your help, it is much appreciated. |
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| 22:43.09 | phallic_noodle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:45.54 | arvind | missmbob, that worked, firefox is not segment faulting anymore |
| 22:46.14 | phallic_noodle | arvind: because of its phallus? |
| 22:46.31 | phallic_noodle | That's so phallic! |
| 22:46.33 | arvind | becauseo of debian-multimedia firefox crashed |
| 22:46.40 | arvind | hehe |
| 22:46.43 | bazhang | !ops | phallic_noodle |
| 22:46.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | phallic_noodle |
| 22:46.48 | phallic_noodle | arvind, that is off topic |
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| 22:47.07 | bazhang | thanks babilen |
| 22:47.21 | babilen | np, thank you |
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| 22:58.11 | missmbob | arvind: oh yay |
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| 23:19.21 | iLogic | hey guys, i got netatalk 3.x install via apt-get and now i'm trying to use a previous version (2.2.4) compiling the source.. do I have to apt-get remove the other first? can't have both right? or sandbox? |
| 23:19.45 | egcmasti | try to remove old and install new |
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| 23:21.19 | iLogic | sorry, i actually installed the other version from source too.. how can I replace it? |
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| 23:25.23 | velix | File privacy on Debian isn't good. Directories in $home have 751. Subdirectories have 755. So any user might guess, read, edit files in other user's directories. |
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| 23:26.50 | velix | Mark Shuttleworth commented this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adduser/+bug/48734/comments/21 |
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| 23:27.28 | velix | I wonder if he ever heard about access a system by SSH (no USB). |
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| 23:31.56 | xyassin | Ilogic: maybe checkinstall |
| 23:32.10 | jmcnaught | velix: default is that other users can enter your $HOME and read the files, but not edit them. Directories in $HOME are 755, not 751 |
| 23:32.38 | velix | jmcnaught: /home/blah => blah is 751. But when a user creats a directory in his home folder, it gets 755 here. |
| 23:32.57 | velix | jmcnaught: So userB can guess and access /home/userA/mysecretfiles |
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| 23:34.07 | jmcnaught | velix: /home/foo is 755 by default, other users can enter directory and see files inside it. If your $HOME is 751 you did it yourself or are using a derivative. |
| 23:34.29 | jmcnaught | velix: if a user doesn't want to share their files, it's pretty simple for them to accomplish this |
| 23:34.30 | velix | jmcnaught: nope, you can set it: dpkg-reconfigure adduser. |
| 23:34.55 | jmcnaught | velix: and i'm telling you that the default is 755 not 751 |
| 23:35.04 | velix | jmcnaught: even worse. |
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| 23:35.21 | bugzc_ | jmcnaught: thanks for your time and advice last night |
| 23:35.24 | velix | jmcnaught: my users don't want other users to list dirs ;) |
| 23:35.35 | jmcnaught | velix: then set that up for them |
| 23:35.41 | velix | jmcnaught: And it's not simple. You can't do it by adding umask to .profile, since that's bash only. You need to do it using PAM. |
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| 23:36.25 | velix | Even MS Windows doesn't allow users to see other user's contents (only in shared directories). |
| 23:37.05 | jmcnaught | velix: "chmod 700 $HOME" |
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| 23:37.14 | jmcnaught | bugzc_: cheers |
| 23:37.27 | velix | jmcnaught: 750 would be enough. But this doesn't allow shared directories. |
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| 23:37.56 | velix | jmcnaught: 751 has the feature to create /home/userB/public |
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| 23:46.55 | velix | Wow, there are thousands of discussions on this topic on the web :) |
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