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| 00:17.35 | ryouma | qbittorrent in jessie is 3.1.10-1 0, but 3.1.10-1~bpo70+1 in jessie-backports. so it's the same upstream version with ... 70 modifications locally by the debian maintainer? what is the meaning of this? |
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| 00:35.17 | missmbob | ryouma: 70 is for debian 7.0. that's wheezy-backports not jessie-backports |
| 00:35.42 | missmbob | ryouma: https://readme.phys.ethz.ch/documentation/debian_version_numbers/ |
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| 00:39.52 | ryouma | missmbob: aha. so ... what do i need to do to get jessie backports into jessie rmadison? |
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| 00:40.46 | missmbob | ,checkbackport qbittorrent |
| 00:40.47 | judd | Backporting package qbittorrent in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 00:40.51 | missmbob | !tell ryouma about ssb |
| 00:41.25 | missmbob | ryouma: there simply isn't one. you have to make it following the above steps |
| 00:41.31 | missmbob | ryouma: it's really very simple though |
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| 00:51.09 | ryouma | missmbob: ok i will take a look at it. what does checkbackport call? |
| 00:52.01 | missmbob | ryouma: i dont know how the judd bot works |
| 00:52.05 | ryouma | ok |
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| 00:52.48 | jmcnaught | it's an interface to the ultimate debian database. http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ https://udd.debian.org/ |
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| 00:57.33 | Halvy | Hi everyone :) |
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| 01:03.18 | Halvy | hi again.. is it ok to talk about SystemD theory here... or... not? |
| 01:04.54 | jmcnaught | Halvy: if you have support questions about systemd on Debian you can ask here. If you want to debate about systemd, this is not the place. |
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| 01:12.54 | Halvy | Oh reallly... I was hoping to get a more official (correct) answer from a mod, or long term respected member of this room. I know 'debating' IS allowed, since that is what we are doing here in general, much of the time. Fat Finder... |
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| 01:16.31 | missmbob | !tell Halvy -about why systemd |
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| 01:17.01 | missmbob | but yes. no one here wants to debate it |
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| 01:18.02 | themill | velix: that's the whole point of debconf is not to clobber your config files. If it actually overwrote your config files then then it would be like the redhat of old where every time you upgraded a package, you were given the packaged defaults again and had to start from scratch again. You need to put the answers in *before* installing the package. |
| 01:19.15 | velix | themill: I see. Let's talk about this in detail tomorrow. Have to backport some packages ;) |
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| 01:25.12 | Halvy | or reallly... red hat just had a major catastrophe with any upgrade.. and we should not discuss inits... hmmmm...ohhhhhhh kayyyyyyyy.... |
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| 01:26.08 | abrotman | You'd like to discuss your RH issues in #debian? |
| 01:27.40 | Halvy | well...actually.. i was just trying to be nice.. be new around here... but it seems like any other's that would be interestd in discussing this, are now being blocked by people like you waisting everyone's band with. |
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| 01:28.23 | Halvy | be=being, with=width |
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| 01:29.23 | Halvy | soooo.. until a mod tells us othewise.... |
| 01:29.36 | themill | Halvy: you've already been told |
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| 01:32.29 | Halvy | by a mod? and told what.. that I can't even ASK to discuss init issues????????!! please.. if anyone disagrees.. please keep it to yourself, unless you are a mod, I'm here like everyone else.. to help ,and get help.. not have ONLY opposing views (fat fingers!). |
| 01:33.11 | Hello71 | you're drunk, go home |
| 01:33.12 | themill | Halvy: you've already been told that the community has no appetite for this discussion. This is a support channel and we're happy to support users. |
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| 01:39.09 | Halvy | Yea.. and free up the band width for the genius remarks like from Hello71 just now... I am SURE I would be very welcomed, in a PRO SystemD *help* forum... But keep talking.., while you still got our attention! |
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| 01:39.33 | abrotman | Halvy: Please use whatever channel RH users use to discuss their issues, have a nice day |
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| 02:11.08 | ryouma | in trying to create my own backport for qbittorrent, i get "configure: error: Package requirements (libtorrent-rasterbar >= 1.0.6) were not met:". is the standard thing to do here to try to backport /that/ also? |
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| 02:12.56 | somiaj | ryouma: did you run apt-get build-dep qbitorrent first? |
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| 02:13.12 | ryouma | aptitude build-dep qbittorrent; apt-get -b source qbittorrent |
| 02:13.29 | ryouma | somiaj: so yes. i used the bot blurb |
| 02:13.41 | ryouma | starting with aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential |
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| 02:14.42 | somiaj | ryouma: hmm, surprised you didn't get those at the build-dep line. Anyways yes if you can't meet that dep in jessie you will have to additionally backport it |
| 02:15.15 | somiaj | ,checkbackport qbittorrent |
| 02:15.16 | judd | Backporting package qbittorrent in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 02:15.32 | somiaj | ,v libtorrent-rasterbar |
| 02:15.33 | judd | No package named 'libtorrent-rasterbar' was found in amd64. |
| 02:15.55 | somiaj | ,v libtorrent-rasterbar-dev |
| 02:15.56 | judd | Package: libtorrent-rasterbar-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.15.10-1+b1; wheezy-security: 0.15.10-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.16.18-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.16.18-1; sid: 1.1.0-3; stretch: 1.1.0-3 |
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| 02:16.34 | ryouma | ,checkbackport libtorrent-rasterbar-dev |
| 02:16.36 | judd | Backporting package libtorrent-rasterbar-dev in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 02:16.47 | ryouma | ,checkbackport libtorrent-rasterbar |
| 02:16.48 | judd | Backporting package libtorrent-rasterbar in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 02:17.00 | ryouma | somiaj: ok, thanks |
| 02:17.12 | missmbob | you shouldnt need to backport libtorrent. the one in jessie will work fine |
| 02:17.19 | somiaj | ryouma: unsure why that build dep wasn't updated, but if the source requires a newer version looks like. |
| 02:17.37 | missmbob | if you want to just wait i'm backporting it now and i'll give you the debs |
| 02:17.39 | ryouma | i see, so it was supposed to error or warn me i guess |
| 02:17.41 | somiaj | could it be you need to change a ./configure option to have it configure with older stuff |
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| 02:19.59 | ryouma | not a clue. i will try the backporting procedure with the library |
| 02:20.03 | ryouma | missmbob: ^ thanks |
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| 02:23.44 | jmcnaught | ryouma: somiaj: it looks to me like the wrong version is declared in qbittorrent's build-dep for libtorrent-rasterbar-dev. qbittorrent's source package says build-dep libtorrent-rasterbar-dev (>= 0.15.4) but stretch has 1.1.0-3 of that package |
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| 02:24.41 | ryouma | meaning i didn't need to backport the library but could change some config someplace? |
| 02:25.34 | jmcnaught | ryouma: no i mean that the qbittorrent source package from testing/unstable actually has a build-dep on a higher version of libtorrent-rasterbar-dev than what is declared, which is a bug in the qbittorrent package |
| 02:26.36 | somiaj | jmcnaught: well build-deps only get updated if the newer version is required. In this case seems the matianer has not updated the build-dep info in the control file |
| 02:26.55 | jmcnaught | yeah that's what i mean, it's an oversight |
| 02:27.20 | somiaj | yea it is a bug, unless there is something in the rules script that is forcing the configure file to use the newer lib when it could also use the other lib |
| 02:27.47 | somiaj | in this case the debian/rules needs to be updated as to change this ./configure option which I'm unsure if it is there. But ./configure --help may be insightful on this |
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| 02:30.11 | jmcnaught | the upstream tarball's INSTALL file (for qbittorrent 3.3.7 at least) says that libtorrent-rasterbar >= 1.0.6 is required |
| 02:30.31 | somiaj | well there goes that idea, maybe I should have researched it more. |
| 02:30.43 | pleasehelpme | Hello everyone. I bought a webcam with microphone, it attaches just fine to the top of my monitor, but the sound is so damn low I'm starting to suffer an aphonia because I have to SHOUT to be heared. Mic dB gain 100% (+12dB) is not enough. So I thought of editing ~/.asoundrc to software boost the mic. Someone said it should be easy with alsa plugins. Easy my ass. 8 hours and I still haven't managed to have a sound input that, wh |
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| 02:30.59 | missmbob | i have it compiling here with backported libtorrent 1.0.9. i'll provide those as well |
| 02:31.08 | missmbob | bit of a pain but not bad |
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| 02:32.29 | jmcnaught | pleasehelpme: are you using pulseaudio? you probably are unless you disabled it. did you try to adjust the input level in pavucontrol? |
| 02:32.36 | missmbob | ryouma: here https://dipconsultants.com/jessie/?dir=libtorrent-rasterbar and https://dipconsultants.com/jessie/?dir=qbittorrent |
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| 02:33.16 | pleasehelpme | jmcnaught: I am not, and I won't ever use pulseaudio |
| 02:33.33 | slikts | anyone had a situation when php cli is using config from /usr/lib and not /etc? |
| 02:33.50 | slikts | it's not loading extensions that are in /etc |
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| 02:34.05 | pleasehelpme | *will preserve my vocal cords healthy. This is the pastebin of my current .asoundrc: http://pastebin.com/8HqqjfA5 . Fancy controls in alsa mixer but they don't do shit. |
| 02:34.14 | pleasehelpme | the client cut my message |
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| 02:34.20 | slikts | I wonder if it's something I've done or is it an issue with dotdeb |
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| 02:35.54 | jmcnaught | slikts: try with the official Debian php packages. The dotdeb packages aren't supported here anyways. |
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| 02:37.13 | ryouma | missmbob: thanks, i think i am going to just continue compiling the library (huge) |
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| 02:37.42 | missmbob | ryouma: hope you have ccache for future updates :) |
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| 02:38.11 | ryouma | missmbob: what's that? |
| 02:38.23 | missmbob | !ccache |
| 02:38.23 | dpkg | [ccache] a compiler cache, for speeding up code recompilation. To use it, see /usr/share/doc/ccache/README.Debian and INSTALLATION of ccache(1). http://ccache.samba.org/ See also <distcc>. |
| 02:38.27 | slikts | jmcnaught: I don't particularly want to deal with backports :/ |
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| 02:39.23 | ryouma | missmbob: i had no idea this thing would still be compiling! it's like what people say about gentoo! |
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| 02:39.45 | missmbob | ryouma: libtorrent takes hours on my machine |
| 02:40.09 | jmcnaught | slikts: the php 5.6 in jessie is not sufficient for your needs? |
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| 02:40.16 | slikts | jmcnaught: of course not |
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| 02:40.41 | jmcnaught | slikts: i'm asking because some people just want to run php7.0 because it's new and shiny |
| 02:40.51 | slikts | jmcnaught: I'm using the features in 7 |
| 02:41.05 | slikts | jmcnaught: and 7 is significantly more performant |
| 02:41.16 | ryouma | missmbob: now you tell me :/. well, that's fine. i am in no rush for a bt client. but my big concern is, what if there's a security issue with the library or with the client? is there some command i can run that will alert me or disable the client until i re-backport? |
| 02:41.28 | slikts | so it's worth upgrading even if you're not using the new features |
| 02:41.33 | ryouma | are backports automated to that degree already? |
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| 02:42.13 | ryouma | (this is my first backport) |
| 02:42.16 | missmbob | ryouma: no. manually. |
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| 02:42.27 | jmcnaught | slikts: i guess, at the expense of problems caused by third party repos and packages |
| 02:42.57 | ryouma | missmbob: ok, so i can't just go like "check-for-security-issues libtorrent-rasterbar" even? |
| 02:43.29 | slikts | jmcnaught: I have no problems with this on my ubuntu boxes |
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| 02:43.52 | somiaj | ryouma: you can follow the DSA mailing list and that will warn you of stuff in jessie. It won't say weither your version is unescure or not. Basically with backports, you take security into your own hand. You could follow the CVE or other advisorys for the sofware you backport |
| 02:43.55 | ryouma | missmbob: (i.e. be warned so that i can know at upgrade time) |
| 02:43.57 | Dewi | ryouma: I guess I would subscribe to the upstream mailing list or whatever, then you have a clue when to re-backport after a fix |
| 02:44.24 | missmbob | ryouma: not that i know of. i'm sure you could point some change-detection web service to https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/libtorrent-rasterbar to get an email of changes... |
| 02:44.38 | jmcnaught | slikts: if you "/msg dpkg dotdeb" the bot will link you to where to get support for dotdeb packages |
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| 02:44.58 | ryouma | hmm |
| 02:45.24 | slikts | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 02:45.26 | ryouma | missmbob: oh hey maybe i can just do wget and diff it every time i upgrade |
| 02:45.52 | slikts | it's odd; I symlinked the php.ini file php -i reports it's using to the correct one in /etc, but nothing changed |
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| 02:46.21 | Dewi | jmcnaught: I'm surprised it isn't in official backports after 10 months. any idea why not? there used to be a bot command to generate a url to check this... |
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| 02:47.32 | slikts | ahh! so I simply nuked /usr/local/php7 and a new php binary appeared |
| 02:47.58 | jmcnaught | Dewi: backports depend on someone making the effort, and whether the build-deps are present in stable. "/msg judd checkbackport packagename" |
| 02:48.04 | slikts | this time it's the correct one |
| 02:48.07 | Dewi | jmcnaught: thx |
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| 02:48.33 | slikts | I guess I could have manually installed php at some point |
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| 02:49.50 | jmcnaught | Dewi: for what it's worth i attempted to backport php7.0 a couple of weeks ago out of curiousity, and the build failed, and then i didn't troubleshoot it any further |
| 02:50.29 | Dewi | yeah, I was just curious too. php used to be one of the very first things to land in bpo, but times change, hopefully towards better solutions :P |
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| 02:50.39 | slikts | jmcnaught: that's how it's usually went for me as well |
| 02:51.30 | jmcnaught | i still don't think i'd be willing to use backported php7.0 packages in production without a very good reason (because i don't want to have to recompile every time there's a security update) |
| 02:52.04 | Hello71 | Gentoo people do that by default |
| 02:52.14 | ryouma | when my backports are ready, do i install them with dpkg -i? or is there an aptitude command i can use? |
| 02:52.27 | missmbob | ryouma: dpkg -i with the way you're doing it |
| 02:52.31 | Hello71 | although only the latter, not the former |
| 02:52.45 | slikts | Hello71: let's not talk about gentoo people |
| 02:52.53 | ryouma | missmbob: there are alternatives? |
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| 02:53.11 | Hello71 | if you make it into a repo |
| 02:53.23 | ryouma | ah |
| 02:53.29 | themill | gdebi |
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| 03:00.56 | ryouma | seems to have created a bunch of debs |
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| 03:18.17 | ryouma | ok, so please pardon the basic question, but do i install every deb that is created by libtorrent-rasterbar, and /then/ run aptitude build-dep qbittorrent; apt-get -b source qbittorrent? |
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| 03:22.31 | ryouma | actually, instead of creating a libtorrent-rasterbar .deb, it created libtorrent-rasterbar9_1.1.0-3_amd64.deb which seems different. i tried installing it, but qbittorrent still complained that it did not have the correct version for libtorrent-rasterbar. |
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| 03:23.21 | missmbob | ryouma: 1.1.0 (9) isn't generally compatible with 1.0.x (8). that's why i stuck with the other branch. |
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| 03:23.49 | missmbob | ryouma: and did you install the rasterbar dev debs? not just the non dev ones? |
| 03:24.42 | ryouma | oh i need to install libtorrent-rasterbar-dev_1.1.0-3_amd64.deb? dunno what you mean by branch. i will try it. |
| 03:24.50 | missmbob | yeah, install that |
| 03:25.17 | ryouma | yay, compiling |
| 03:25.33 | missmbob | qbittorrent is actually a quick compile so you're almost done |
| 03:26.08 | ryouma | and then i presume i do dpkg -P to purge |
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| 03:26.14 | ryouma | if i need to |
| 03:26.24 | missmbob | sure |
| 03:26.38 | bnw | Why is guile-2.0-dev removed for today's testing full-upgrade? |
| 03:26.48 | missmbob | !tell bnw about debian-next |
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| 03:33.31 | ryouma | not compiling: "/root/qbittorrent-3.3.6/build-nox/src/../../src/base/bittorrent/session.cpp:2341: undefined reference to `libtorrent::session_handle::wait_for_alert(std::chrono::duration<long, std::ratio<1l, 1000000000l> >)'" |
| 03:34.03 | missmbob | that doesnt look like an error |
| 03:35.02 | ryouma | collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 03:35.05 | Hello71 | uses psychic debugging |
| 03:35.07 | ryouma | next line |
| 03:35.23 | Hello71 | you need to install libtorrent |
| 03:35.26 | missmbob | ryouma: you need to pastebin more |
| 03:35.30 | ryouma | ok |
| 03:35.32 | Hello71 | or your libstdc++ is old |
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| 03:38.22 | ryouma | missmbob: http://sprunge.us/COeK |
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| 03:40.22 | missmbob | ryouma: i dont know how to help you with that. but like i said, i used a slightly different libtorrent because i knew it could cause compatibility issues. maybe that's it. |
| 03:41.26 | ryouma | which libtorrent? |
| 03:41.38 | missmbob | i used 1.0.9 |
| 03:41.50 | ryouma | so you got it from a special repo for older versions? |
| 03:42.17 | missmbob | ryouma: no. i compiled it myself a while back and kept it. the source is in the same dir i linked you to if you want it |
| 03:42.25 | missmbob | ryouma: it's this bug that i was worried about bug #835049 |
| 03:42.26 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/835049 in src:deluge (open, upstream): «deluge is not libtorrent 1.1.0 capable»; severity: important; opened: 2016-08-21; last modified: 2016-08-30. |
| 03:43.35 | ryouma | on this computer i only install things that are in the debian repos, so i think i will have to conclude this is too much for me right now |
| 03:43.49 | ryouma | (getting a recent qbitttorrent, that is) |
| 03:44.53 | missmbob | ryouma: maybe they have irc support...no idea |
| 03:44.58 | ryouma | thanks for your handholding for the backport procedure. if i encounter something with fewer gotchas maybe i can just do it and it will work. |
| 03:45.24 | ryouma | missmbob: hmm good idea, they do have a channel, but maybe no debian people |
| 03:46.42 | ryouma | anyway it seems backporting is not awlays trivial |
| 03:47.06 | missmbob | no it can get really messy. this is one of the not so hard cases believe it or not |
| 03:47.16 | missmbob | glad i was able to do it :P |
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| 03:49.09 | ryouma | i'm going to put this off for a while |
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| 03:52.30 | serard_ | hello |
| 03:52.58 | serard_ | Installing a package using dpkg -i, tells missing dependencies; running apt-get install -f fixes this |
| 03:53.14 | serard_ | but is there a way to tell dpkg to install them in the same time ? |
| 03:53.23 | missmbob | serard_: there's also gdebi. it'll sort it out so you don't have to |
| 03:53.37 | serard_ | missmbob, on command line ? |
| 03:53.40 | missmbob | serard_: yes |
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| 03:53.52 | pissfrog | hulo |
| 03:53.54 | missmbob | serard_: it has a cli and gtk one. i've only touched the cli |
| 03:54.05 | serard_ | missmbob, thank you a lot ! |
| 03:54.50 | pissfrog | anyone with knowledge on how to install IBM db2 on debian? |
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| 03:58.44 | iamawesome | Hi, Why do we need initramfs or initrd.img ? Can't we do like , linux /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 |
| 03:58.49 | iamawesome | Normally if we compile kernel, it produces vmlinux not initrd |
| 03:59.08 | serard_ | missmbob, gdebi wants 200MB for installation, hugh :) only need the cli tool, not the graphical one (raspi headless) |
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| 03:59.29 | missmbob | serard_: dont install gdebi. install gdebi-core |
| 03:59.47 | n4dir1 | serard_: try --no-install-recommends, if you use apt-get |
| 03:59.49 | missmbob | serard_: that'll give you what you need |
| 04:00.09 | serard_ | yep, still get 145MB :D |
| 04:00.20 | serard_ | with x11 stuff that I don't want :( |
| 04:00.21 | missmbob | the core? seriously? or no recommends? |
| 04:00.24 | n4dir1 | though i see nothing wrong with simply solving it with apt-get install -f, like you already did |
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| 04:00.38 | serard_ | hmm ok |
| 04:00.53 | missmbob | serard_: how much does the gdebi-core want? that should be cli only |
| 04:00.56 | serard_ | 19.5MB :D |
| 04:01.01 | missmbob | yay :) |
| 04:01.10 | serard_ | tried gdebi, didnt thought about a -core, thank !! |
| 04:01.39 | missmbob | serard_: it's usual in debian. i.e., gnome-core |
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| 04:05.06 | phallic_noodle | phallus |
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| 04:06.59 | duncannz | Should I use the CD or DVD image if I want to write the ISO to a flash drive? |
| 04:07.14 | missmbob | duncannz: will you have internet during install? |
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| 04:07.23 | duncannz | missmbob: yeah |
| 04:07.28 | missmbob | duncannz: then the netinst should be enough |
| 04:07.53 | duncannz | ok |
| 04:08.09 | missmbob | duncannz: how do you plan to copy the iso to the usb? |
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| 04:08.27 | duncannz | missmbob: dd |
| 04:08.41 | missmbob | duncannz: do you need firmware? |
| 04:08.56 | missmbob | wifi? |
| 04:09.16 | duncannz | missmbob: Ah yeah maybe, but I can use ethernet temporarily while doing the install |
| 04:09.35 | missmbob | okay. there's also a firmware iso |
| 04:09.39 | missmbob | !firmware iso |
| 04:09.39 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 04:10.16 | phallic_noodle | phallus |
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| 04:11.50 | jmcnaught | !ops phallic_noodle |
| 04:11.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: phallic_noodle |
| 04:12.09 | phallic_noodle | jmcnaught: dont be phallic |
| 04:12.15 | phallic_noodle | dpkg: that was not very nice |
| 04:12.16 | dpkg | phallic_noodle: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 04:16.55 | phallic_noodle | what is RTFM? |
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| 04:24.30 | Epakai | !rtfm |
| 04:24.30 | dpkg | well, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 04:44.58 | badgerSqueegee | can someone recommend an xtml editor with a "live view" feature? |
| 04:45.09 | badgerSqueegee | preferably one in the repository |
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| 04:47.37 | missmbob | i dont know what xtml is but that sounds scary |
| 04:48.06 | badgerSqueegee | lol |
| 04:48.13 | badgerSqueegee | you know what i meant |
| 04:48.22 | badgerSqueegee | it's late and I hate the internet |
| 04:48.54 | missmbob | i still don't know what you want. most websites are dynamic...xhtml with "live view" would be static. really not useful. it's not 2002 |
| 04:48.56 | badgerSqueegee | btw, it's a markup language for text that's not so fast |
| 04:49.25 | badgerSqueegee | well okay then, i'll just install sublime or atom |
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| 04:50.28 | badgerSqueegee | i've noticed a distinct lack of decent text editor on debian (besides vim blah blah) |
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| 04:56.41 | pragomer_1 | I would like to use kde5 under debian. can I install it in jessie? or would I have to use debian 9 already? is debian 9 already stable enought if you would compare it e.g. with kubuntu 16.04 ? |
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| 05:00.24 | missmbob | pragomer_1: jessie doesnt have it. stretch probably isn't as stable but not terrible compared to 16.04. stretch still changes daily until the freeze |
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| 05:05.18 | pragomer_1 | mm.. missmbob... so you think trying stretch with kde5 should be (nearly) as stable as kubuntu 16.04? |
| 05:05.27 | pragomer_1 | or not that much? |
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| 05:07.44 | pragomer_1 | mm.. is there any statistics about what DE are used most on debian? |
| 05:08.14 | jrabbit | you could check popcon |
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| 05:10.55 | missmbob | pragomer_1: if you're big on new desktops, debian just isn't right for you |
| 05:12.50 | somiaj | pragomer_1: stretch is going freeze here in a month. Once that point hits it gets to be a lot smoother ride. It may work for you now. Biggest down side is no security support. But many use it as a desktop. |
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| 05:25.10 | pragomer_1 | I have a few years of linux exp.. but always used *buntus... so I think I could help myself.. so I think I will give stretch a try if you think it is not soooo unstable |
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| 05:26.12 | somiaj | pragomer_1: I'm running it now. Though I don't use fancy desktops which have more working parts that could have slight issues. |
| 05:26.41 | pragomer_1 | and you run it with what DE? |
| 05:26.49 | somiaj | I just use a simple window manager, fvwm. |
| 05:27.03 | pragomer_1 | ah ok. understand. |
| 05:27.44 | pragomer_1 | alpha7 is the latest iso, right? |
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| 05:28.54 | somiaj | if your hardware supports stable, use a stable jessie isntaller. install a minimial system (no DE), upgrade the minimial system to stretch and then install the de is the suggesed path over the testing installer |
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| 05:34.11 | pragomer_1 | ok.. I will do it that way. thank you. |
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| 05:44.36 | missmbob | preaction: i'd do what somiaj said and use stable installer. if not...i still wouldn't use alpha 7. the new nightlies are much better |
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| 07:25.14 | daniel-s | Hello. Is this supposed to run a job every minute (in crontab -e). It's not working for me. |
| 07:25.15 | daniel-s | * * * * * "python3 /home/pi/t1.py" >> /home/pi/plog.txt |
| 07:25.27 | daniel-s | I get the same problem with: |
| 07:25.31 | daniel-s | */1 * * * * "python3 /home/pi/t1.py" >> /home/pi/plog.txt |
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| 07:29.33 | preaction | daniel-s: the quotes mean it's looking for a program called exactly 'python3 /home/pi/t1.py', which is difficult (but not technically impossible) |
| 07:29.55 | Night_Elf | ello all. Is it normal that when I create a 'tap' device it remains in DOWN state? I create it simply by running "tunctl" and then I "ifconfig 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 tun0 up". But when I check with "ip link show" it appears as 'state DOWN'. |
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| 07:41.53 | SiCC | daniel-s: did you get it working? |
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| 07:54.34 | daniel-s | SiCC: Yes |
| 07:54.42 | daniel-s | preaction: Thank you. |
| 07:54.51 | daniel-s | So the problem was in fact the quotes. |
| 07:55.23 | daniel-s | It was extra confusing because the job will be run the first time, producing an empty log file, but afterwards is suspended for a day. |
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| 07:55.40 | preaction | cron should also be sending mail somewhere when commands fail. do you have a local mailbox? is your machine set up to deliver mail over the Internet? do you have a "MAILTO=<email address>" in top of your crontab? |
| 07:55.43 | daniel-s | or something. |
| 07:55.56 | daniel-s | So I didn't realise that it wasn't running. |
| 07:56.04 | preaction | also, the cron log should tell you as well |
| 07:56.22 | daniel-s | preaction: I just now looked in /var/log/syslog |
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| 07:56.37 | preaction | right, this is all just for if you find yourself in this situation again. sysadmin knowledge is kind of like oral histories :p |
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| 07:57.27 | preaction | but if you're concerned about the process, i'd make sure cron can send mail. it will help. if anything makes it to stdout/stderr, cron will e-mail it to you |
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| 08:05.37 | Iridos | daniel-s, you should read up on quotes, what they do and who reads them⦠the last bit is actually a bit more complicated in crontab, but your command wouldn't have worked anyway⦠try e.g. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Quotes |
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| 08:06.20 | Iridos | daniel-s, you'll not become happy on the shell as long as you don't know at least the basics about quoting |
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| 08:10.58 | daniel-s | Iridos: OK. Thanks |
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| 08:14.43 | Iridos | daniel-s, also⦠it's probably necessary to know what shell expansions are⦠http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/syntax/expansion/intro |
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| 08:28.48 | fkup | good day. i am soon to unleach debian on myself,mayb, but thought i'd have a vm suffer beforehand .. |
| 08:29.13 | fkup | i am now facing its initial range of questioning.... asks Guided , or Manual..... |
| 08:29.33 | fkup | Manual i take is better somehow.... if only done correctly - imirite? |
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| 08:29.56 | Anselmo | guided is usually ok |
| 08:29.59 | fkup | There is also "guided - use entired disk and setup encrypted LVM" |
| 08:30.11 | Anselmo | if you want to do something special, and know what you're doing, do it manual |
| 08:30.34 | fkup | "ok"... hm. I would like to somewhat simulate what I'd be going on my own comp.. I don't wanna end up with some lackings due to laziness in this first bit.. |
| 08:30.48 | fkup | k.. thanks... will try, i guess..hopefully figure thru it eventually. |
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| 08:32.41 | Night_Elf | Is it normal that when I create a 'tap' device it remains in DOWN state? I create it simply by running "tunctl" and then I "ifconfig tun0 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 up". But when I check with "ip link show" it appears as 'state DOWN'. |
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| 08:32.51 | newbie|2 | ok this is 'fkup' , think he'll drop off shortly.. somewhat of a mysterie occured.. had to re-connect |
| 08:33.10 | newbie|2 | If missed the last questions, please: I asked. "I can still do Encryption (FDE (whole disk)) there, right..? Possibly including some wider areas with taht too, then?" |
| 08:33.14 | Night_Elf | I try this on a wheezy machine. When I do it on my laptop with jessie, the status is UP. |
| 08:33.35 | newbie|2 | (that is Manual (at the very beginning of the installatioin process of Debian 8.5 x86) |
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| 08:36.15 | newbie|2 | "Configure iSCSI volumes" ... there it asks me for IP-addersses..? :S ..was expecting some partition managerhere but |
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| 08:38.26 | newbie|2 | Ok then! .will take ya advice.. "..if you .. [..] .. know what you're doing." -- I don't really, so.... Guided it is, then !! |
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| 08:38.38 | ksk | newbie|2: iSCSI is some remote SCSI protocol, so yes, IPs. |
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| 08:39.08 | newbie|2 | weird... where'd them IPs come from, it doesn't event recognize NIC at this point does it :S |
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| 08:39.41 | newbie|2 | guess im confusing it with something else, and no virtualized network, or dhcp-assigned frmo elsewhere or anything.. to allocate actual disk drives....:s |
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| 08:41.17 | newbie|2 | kk, I'll accept the dumbass choice and go for guided I guess..for now anyway... little elaboration on the mysterious IP-demand from the SCSI (disks, disk...something?!) while it seemingly isnt let aware what an IP is, far less ajny tricky means of assigning IP for partitions,.. or whatever taht complex stuff musta meant |
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| 08:43.34 | newbie|2 | Does anyone have any info or experienve even, on Virtualization software in Debian? (on Win I'd for example be able to use ones like VMWare or VirtualBox). |
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| 08:44.31 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: VirtualBox works perfectly in Debian. |
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| 08:44.52 | newbie|2 | Is it possible with any of those, (eventually,even for me-n00b as far..) , to get around to nest virtualized guests? (like, a vm within a vm.. each eventually to serve various functions, having various layers of FDE and nested encryption containers etc. to be called i n for action as seen fit..) |
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| 08:45.20 | newbie|2 | oo.. cool.. VBox seems the most liberal nice thing (non-overly commercialized, as vmware seemed anyway^, at least..) .. Cool. :-) |
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| 08:45.55 | bolt | newbie|2: also have a look at qemu-kvm. it can't be nested though. |
| 08:45.55 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: Yes you can do that. I have done only tests though to see if it was possible, but yes I did that. Not much use of it for me though. :) |
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| 08:46.06 | newbie|2 | k,cool |
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| 08:46.52 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: I hear kvm is pretty nice too, with gnome-boxes as a frontend. |
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| 08:46.57 | newbie|2 | Ive barely heard of qemu-kvm before, besides Ive found some cheap VPS-servers (rented,commercial service, external access.. ) with that where the bottom is KVM (also XEN may be tested soon for similar reason) |
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| 08:47.26 | newbie|2 | hm.. which one if u can remember, alllowed virtualization within an other? was it one like KVM... however taht works (I've no idea still) ? |
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| 08:48.42 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: I guess they both can do that. As long as you have the drivers for it to properly comunicate with the processor (which is ultimately what makes nested virtualization possible) you're good to go. |
| 08:49.04 | newbie|2 | oh..k.. cool! many thnx, once more. sounds good!=)) |
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| 08:49.20 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: For virtualbox there's the Guest Additions thing, which enables that in the guest systems. |
| 08:49.38 | newbie|2 | oh..hm..k..hm! interesting.. |
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| 08:50.42 | newbie|2 | will prlly try taht first.. and, "snapshot" & "reload" the box in-between my noobing around with it.. (likely save alotta time as I eventually screw it up at some points (likely)..) |
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| 08:51.41 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: Consider the GuestAdditions "disk" like the cd which contains the driver for the "mainboard" and the "chipset" and the "video gpu" that the virtual computer has. |
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| 08:53.01 | newbie|2 | o..hmh... not all sure I rly understand anymore now then..hmh... anyway, will get to it and find out.. I may end up trying em all even I guess:d |
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| 08:53.35 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: You always install drivers on a newly installed os on bare hardware, right? |
| 08:54.46 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: So conisider the vm as the virtual hardware on which you install some os. This will need the drivers, like always, for the underlying "hardware". |
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| 08:55.16 | newbie|2 | hmm.. |
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| 08:55.43 | newbie|2 | drivers when. can't i download some packages at some point.. hope it may recognize some attached hardware during even, or such... or.. more complicated? |
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| 08:55.53 | Night_Elf | These drivers for the virtual hardware that will need to be installed in the guest os, are what we call the "Virtualbox Guest Additions" |
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| 08:56.51 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: The hardware is virtual. Is what the virtualization software (virtualbox for example) presents to the os that runs inside the virtual machine. |
| 08:56.53 | newbie|2 | oh.. |
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| 08:57.21 | newbie|2 | that ... ill deal with in a lataer step i guesss, sec lmc... |
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| 08:57.51 | newbie|2 | hh..,Im still in the very beginning and early life of this pioneer deb .. i'll call it "mom" (if i can name it smoewhere ("hostname" right?hihi) - my first attempt to awake a Debian to life,n mayb have come morph into something useful eventually too, even.. |
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| 08:58.19 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: So if you normally have say a board with intel chipset and an nvidia gpu, in a vm you will have "vbox chipset" and "vbox gpu". Which now need drivers in that os, right? |
| 08:58.25 | newbie|2 | Anyway.. at the sceen with first baby-steps of the process I chose "guilded - all ... and encryption". Now it asks (under "Parition Disks") ifto settle with "All files in one partition (recommended for noobs)", or "separate /home, /var and /tmp partitions" -- this last one.. I will prolly get around to figuring that, right..? (not having to resort to the beginner-setup (whole partionining diffe |
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| 08:58.37 | newbie|2 | m, k.. |
| 08:58.54 | Night_Elf | go will all |
| 08:59.01 | Night_Elf | you're testing anyway |
| 08:59.31 | newbie|2 | Threres a drop-down on the Vbox windows, "install Guest Additions CD .. " that I can select. I guess that may be in, and help somehwat...but not accessible till after a bit? |
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| 09:00.28 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: you will need the interacion with the dropdown menus *after* your os install is completed. |
| 09:00.36 | newbie|2 | ...ill try have it separate home var & tmp, then..k? - don't think it gets too tricky with taht lil bit extra? I'm sure it does some good too... did something similar ages ago, like one for Swap even,based on X amount of memory.... or soemthing like thati can't remember,but providing performance benefits possibly |
| 09:00.40 | newbie|2 | kk |
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| 09:02.15 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: you get the benefits of separate partitions when you're on real hardware. In a vm you're always virtualised anyway, so the benefits are only if you want to learn and see how the configs are done and all, but you won't see much performance benefits. |
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| 09:03.37 | newbie|2 | this would potentially be long ahead in time anyway.. but assuming i get comfy with basic networkin n all... can Debian function well as a router of sorts? like..eventually get one box like this, stuff in a dozen more NICs , and have this one as an other relay in my network (for example forcing traffic thru a certain VPN (the running on that box, with part routing capabilities) and locked down sc |
| 09:03.51 | newbie|2 | ..strict to only route thru that VPN's connection, or such.. |
| 09:03.55 | newbie|2 | oh..hm |
| 09:03.57 | newbie|2 | k... |
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| 09:04.18 | newbie|2 | hm..alright.. maybe just do like this anyawy, so I may get some kinda idea of how & why those extra paritions are around heh |
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| 09:06.25 | newbie|2 | running VPN software on the same comp seems unsafe, so many risky things, risk of leaking connection data in various ways etc.. will feel better if can plug into an other box (just like i'd do with my other router(s) anyway,.. and such boxes having FDE and set to strct route traffic thru the VPN (or not at all (no connection, then:.!)) |
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| 09:09.35 | newbie|2 | guess that'll be one start n something I'll try on early.. and eventuallu hope to replicate and setup on a physical box (with NICs to accept plugs in/out as if id plug in a router-- this standing between my comp and router then, plugging my comp's wire in that box (in case id want the VPN (or whatever) strict network & routing environment enforced for all those plugged in... |
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| 09:10.30 | newbie|2 | (hopefully will be more secure that way, and the box/router itself.. and easier to switch such (like vpns, seperate ones for seperate uses. One to tunnel all traffic thru TOR even maybe (anonymous internet surfing, or only for .onion-domains) |
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| 09:11.55 | newbie|2 | apparently its possible to buy a cheap home-router and flash it with some custom firmware to get some other router/fw OS on it, with some of this functionality... but far from as much as Id get from a box like this.. Id imagine more security & control eventually, And, somehting those small router-boxes never seem to tolerate either, is FDE/Full disk encryption as well, and possibly various nested |
| 09:12.15 | newbie|2 | ...encrypted containiners opened after (And only remain when in) use |
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| 09:13.14 | newbie|2 | bad witha ll these home routers nowadays being a hassle to get rid of their antennas and kill+ their wifi serves anad everything... plus paying needlessly when I usually don't want wifi for most stuff anyway =S |
| 09:13.55 | newbie|2 | sry, i talk alot eh... hm.. imma stare blankly nito the install sceren while the progress bar is slowly ticking its way toards the finish line...hopefullly soon...... not long...... |
| 09:15.09 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: It is not bad asking. It just may happen that others are also busy and can't respond immediately, so be patient. :) |
| 09:15.18 | newbie|2 | :-] |
| 09:15.44 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: But yes, you can do the router thing with debian. Actually with anyother distro to be honest. |
| 09:16.08 | newbie|2 | cool..:) |
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| 09:17.12 | newbie|2 | can't exactly remember why I got to Debian.. (or why I figured to get onto all this right now.. dled this stuff (among others) a while back.. ).. unless any other much more optimal for those things,unless something I can't get from that on this I'd rather (also) have.. Hopefully Debian will turn out to be a good choice..whatever the eventual up-sides may be, im sure there was some i mighta forgot. |
| 09:17.36 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: I recomend you do things one at a time. Install something standard first. Then see what there is. Then determine what you need more and check how to install the software you need. |
| 09:17.52 | newbie|2 | mm.k... will try.. thanks again! =] |
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| 09:21.33 | boxrick1 | Does dpkg-reconfigure simply set the debconf options or do some magic of pushing it all somewhere? |
| 09:22.01 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: One reason for having debian, for me is that the repositories of software are big. You can find a lot of things. Probably any sort of software you will come across in opensource, there's a good chance it exists packaged for debian as well. |
| 09:22.44 | newbie|2 | awesome, sounds good :-))) |
| 09:23.08 | jelly-home | boxrick1: those options are actually used at package configure time in the install scripts. This can be repeated using dpkg-reconfigure command. |
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| 09:23.28 | newbie|2 | big repos., meaning updated frequently (as often as possible/anywhere) too, does it? |
| 09:23.37 | jelly-home | boxrick1: the options themselves don't do much at all during normal work |
| 09:23.53 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: don't get much hopes from eneterprisy things though. They usually release software for commercial versions of distros such as redhat, suse, ubuntu, etc. |
| 09:24.09 | newbie|2 | k,but other apps? |
| 09:24.28 | newbie|2 | I prolly won't be buying much heavy commercial bussinses apps kinda programs anyway, if thats what u meant |
| 09:24.49 | newbie|2 | also, rather stick to open source stuff as much as possible,too.. |
| 09:25.11 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: you certainly will be able to run anything in debian, regardless what the packages are intended towards, but the suppliers of such software will not really help you and shun you with a "we don't support that". |
| 09:25.30 | newbie|2 | k.. |
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| 09:26.24 | newbie|2 | k much time noobing around, and clinging to reading around wherever . . . hopefully without corrupting system files beyond recovery, or anything like that.. I may eventually get some working still eh... |
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| 09:26.25 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: It is just that you will need to go a bit deeper if needed to make the tweaks such as the software that expects redhat or ubuntu, to look for them and use them like debian has. |
| 09:26.42 | newbie|2 | hm |
| 09:26.44 | doublehp | stretch: how do i make some service depend on mountall ? my webserver depends on NFS ... |
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| 09:27.38 | newbie|2 | not sure what I may need that for yet, and if anything I may have issues getting to that others may not have been looking around for previously and I can dig up info on, or soemthing,but..hm.. hopefully nothing too serious,or that can't be solved ....*some* way.. ! :] |
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| 09:28.25 | newbie|2 | may not have been = may have been * (-sry, bit.."bad state of mind" atm..tired nstuff:s) |
| 09:28.28 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: an example would be, say, some software for redhat that in the end needs to perform a service setup for start and stop and what not. If it uses "chkconfig" for this, it will not work in debian as there's no such command in debian. |
| 09:28.43 | newbie|2 | oh |
| 09:29.20 | newbie|2 | but others have been looking around for alternate ways to get similar functionality, patching together bits of something else with similar functionality, or.. something.. to still get that working somehow..ye? |
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| 09:30.15 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: indeed. Especially when you're in a begining stage, there's really not much that you will come across that has been done countless of times from others. :) |
| 09:30.27 | Night_Elf | hasn't* |
| 09:30.28 | newbie|2 | :) hm=) |
| 09:31.47 | newbie|2 | thanks for all n good n still so friendly asnwers btw.. :) and even consistently nice grammar..kewl,nice:) |
| 09:32.32 | newbie|2 | (unlike me at least, i meant.. sry prly appears bad or weird at times...poor english (not my native language)..:d) |
| 09:33.05 | newbie|2 | you know many linuxes (brands/strains/breeds/.. ) btw..? |
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| 09:34.45 | bazhang | check distrowatch.com for an idea newbie|2 |
| 09:34.49 | newbie|2 | ... for more than a decade been fantasizing about overwriting my Microsoft-copyrighted content on disk, and leaving it behind for good... increasingly been wanting this.... hopefully find motivation to get around to it somehow, soon maybe.. ifnot deb (as main machine I used to have win on), an other for that, if betters smoehow..not sure yet.. will see..!=) hope to grasp more of this liunx stuff |
| 09:35.04 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: I have been sticking to debian, until the birth of a piece of software called systemd that has me somehow look around a bit. :p |
| 09:35.35 | newbie|2 | hm..name sounds familiar, maybe be I was checkin theru there some timeback...anyway,mayb some good then.. , n by the sounds^ will do, thanks ! |
| 09:35.50 | newbie|2 | Night_Elf: oo.. hm..! |
| 09:35.50 | bazhang | Night_Elf, try #devuan then |
| 09:36.10 | Night_Elf | bazhang: I have. Looks quite nice actually. |
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| 09:38.37 | Night_Elf | Reiterating question: I create a tap0 device with "tunctl". I then "ifconfing tap0 10.10.10.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 up". When I check with "ip link show" it tells me that status is DOWN. This happens in wheezy. When I do the same in jessie, the status is UP. |
| 09:39.12 | boxrick1 | jelly-home: Ok thanks, if I am setting the options using debconf-set-selections then running dkpg-reconfigure they appear to reset to default, can you think of any good reason that may be ? |
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| 09:39.32 | Night_Elf | I am doing this because I want to connect gns3 and a virtual router to my machine itself. In my laptop with jessie works. In my workstation with wheezy, it doesn't. Any ideas? |
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| 09:42.16 | Night_Elf | newbie|2: I need to use windows at work. Outlook and active directory controlled content. So I have a windows vm with virtualbox for this and only this, and the host machine runs debian for everything else. |
| 09:42.38 | newbie|2 | lol, nice :d =) |
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| 10:13.53 | newbie|2 | I get the choice of.. Gnome, Xfce, KDE, Cinnamon, MATE & LXDE. - Any quick suggestion for a good all-round Desktop Environment thingy for a noob please ? |
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| 10:14.19 | tinyhippo | newbie|2: gnome is pretty standard |
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| 10:14.39 | newbie|2 | k; cool, many thanks ! |
| 10:14.40 | missmbob | newbie|2: i'm a huge xfce supporter |
| 10:14.44 | newbie|2 | hm |
| 10:14.50 | newbie|2 | why..? vs. gnome..?^¨ |
| 10:15.08 | missmbob | newbie|2: gnome gets in trouble when it needs hw acceleration and it just doesn't run. xfce is light and fast as hell |
| 10:15.17 | newbie|2 | standard may be boring..?:d |
| 10:15.18 | newbie|2 | oh |
| 10:15.25 | newbie|2 | xfce sounds nice, hm.. |
| 10:15.25 | tinyhippo | its not pretty though |
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| 10:15.41 | newbie|2 | does it have all functions/apps or whatever..I'm not missinsg out on anything with that? |
| 10:15.42 | kokuryu | xfce sure |
| 10:15.46 | missmbob | newbie|2: yes |
| 10:15.57 | tinyhippo | newbie|2: apps are separate to the desktop environment |
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| 10:16.29 | tinyhippo | in simple terms, the desktop environment is the File Manager, a few system utilities, and the "start menu" |
| 10:16.31 | newbie|2 | k..will try it. Xfce it is, then. Cheers y'alll.. u have my thanks ! :-9 |
| 10:16.39 | kokuryu | If you want a fast, easy to customize desktop enviroment xfce its your choice |
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| 10:17.03 | newbie|2 | cool ^_^ |
| 10:17.03 | kokuryu | have fun! @newbie|2 |
| 10:17.12 | newbie|2 | :) |
| 10:17.34 | kokuryu | Im a debian user since 2010 and started with KDE |
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| 10:21.32 | kokuryu | did someone ever try to install FAH client in debian? |
| 10:22.35 | missmbob | kokuryu: a long time ago, yeah. i wrote prion |
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| 10:23.34 | pragomer_1 | my volume-function-keys dont work under jessie with xfce. what can I do? |
| 10:23.34 | missmbob | kokuryu: https://code.google.com/archive/p/prion/ :P |
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| 10:24.51 | kokuryu | missmbob: nice job! |
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| 10:25.11 | kokuryu | Did you know about Curecoin project |
| 10:25.30 | missmbob | no. i haven't touched any of that stuff in a few years |
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| 10:26.05 | kokuryu | now you can earn criptocurrecies for the folding job!! |
| 10:26.50 | missmbob | kokuryu: really off topic. there is #debian-offtopic for non-support questions |
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| 10:28.42 | kokuryu | missmbob: sorry, nobody was chatting so i was talking about the posiblity to create an debian soft to manage curecoin |
| 10:28.47 | kokuryu | its that offtopic? |
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| 10:33.54 | Drzacek | Hi, I'm trying to install vmware tools on my debian guest machine, and it complains that gcc binary path is bad. I have gcc installed and I provide /usr/bin/gcc path (it is there, I swear!), still get error that it is invalid. Any ideas? |
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| 10:35.18 | kokuryu | did you try "apt-get install build-essential" |
| 10:35.19 | missmbob | Drzacek: generally that's complaining about headers. so sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 10:35.50 | Drzacek | kokuryu, yes |
| 10:36.00 | Drzacek | missmbob, already installed |
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| 10:36.10 | missmbob | Drzacek: then pastebin the output |
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| 10:37.14 | pingfloyd | entire output |
| 10:37.35 | Drzacek | of what, the vmware install? |
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| 10:38.00 | pingfloyd | no, the tools install |
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| 10:38.35 | missmbob | btw you should probably be using the tools debian comes with instead. such as open-vm-tools and open-vm-tools-desktop. might make things much easier |
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| 10:39.06 | Drzacek | http://paste.debian.net/864708/ |
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| 10:39.32 | Drzacek | missmbob, didn't knew there were any |
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| 10:41.07 | missmbob | Drzacek: try it. also what's the output of dpkg -l build-essential ? |
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| 10:42.04 | danielmx | when printing and iadd printer and select find printer it keeps repeating ip address until the printer software ceases up |
| 10:42.33 | Drzacek | http://paste.debian.net/864721/ |
| 10:42.41 | Drzacek | missmbob, ^ |
| 10:43.43 | missmbob | Drzacek: oh you're running testing/sid. that makes more sense |
| 10:43.45 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 10:43.46 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:45.53 | pingfloyd | Drzacek: have you installed make and the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package? |
| 10:46.06 | Drzacek | pingfloyd, yes |
| 10:48.05 | pingfloyd | what about libglib2.0-0? |
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| 10:55.02 | Drzacek | pingfloyd, "already newest version" |
| 10:56.42 | missmbob | Drzacek: did the open-vm-tools work? |
| 10:56.53 | Drzacek | missmbob, gonna try them now |
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| 11:02.23 | spleen | Hell all |
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| 11:02.42 | spleen | how to know whish package create a folder ? |
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| 11:03.22 | spleen | In fact, i am looking for the package that created the '/etc/php5/conf.d/' folder |
| 11:03.31 | spleen | it doest seems to be "php5" |
| 11:03.59 | colo-work | spleen, try `dpks -S /etc/php5/conf.d/` |
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| 11:05.29 | CM707 | Hey, recently I re-installed debian on my home server and I've had a fairbit of trouble with internet access. Whenever I try to ping an outside address (e.g. 8.8.8.8) it replies with "Destination host unreachable). I've tried changing the /etc/network/interfaces file to static and provided the gateway info, etc but it still fails to ping outside destinations |
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| 11:08.14 | spleen | colo-work, dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/php5/conf.d |
| 11:08.31 | colo-work | then it might just be created by a postinst/preinst script |
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| 11:15.56 | Iridos | spleen, you might ponder upon the output of apt-file show /etc/php5/conf.d ( /msg dpkg apt-file ) |
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| 11:24.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps |
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| 11:25.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am having an issue i cant seem to get my droplet to talk to my https at home, i think i got a FW issue but i cant find it |
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| 11:25.54 | gry | what error message do you get? |
| 11:26.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | i have been trying to find one.. |
| 11:26.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | nothing on console when i try to ssh or through browser just times out |
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| 11:26.54 | gry | 'connection timed out' is it, thanks |
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| 11:31.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | i see nothing in the webserver logs nothing |
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| 11:31.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | can you guys get to http://45.55.170.51/nagios3/ |
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| 11:32.08 | Iridos | yes |
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| 11:32.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | guuu |
| 11:32.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | damn |
| 11:32.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | so its my ip |
| 11:33.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | i disable ufw and fail2ban and moved hosts.allow to a .old |
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| 11:33.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | what else could it be?? |
| 11:33.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | slams head on the desk |
| 11:33.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | why why why |
| 11:33.47 | Iridos | from where are you accessing it? from the same machine? |
| 11:33.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | no my home pc to my droplet webpage |
| 11:34.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | wait. let me check apache2 configs.. |
| 11:34.10 | Iridos | also, what you posted isn't https |
| 11:34.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | http |
| 11:34.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | its just nagios |
| 11:34.59 | Iridos | [13:25] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am having an issue i cant seem to get my droplet to talk to my https <----------------- |
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| 11:36.03 | Iridos | and yes, I cannot connect to https either |
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| 11:36.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok, |
| 11:36.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | well its only http i meant http my bad |
| 11:36.51 | fkup | Good evenin' |
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| 11:37.56 | fkup | I am a newcomer to Debian tbh.., just got to explore everything short while ago, and while I've done similar b4, am quite excited as seems fairly easy and very nice. Possibly something I'll replicate in some ways for other comps of mine in the future.. |
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| 11:38.05 | fkup | WHere can I find files to download, like.. popular/common ones? |
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| 11:38.17 | fkup | And also, if any popular alternate repos for even more downloads? |
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| 11:38.36 | fkup | So far I've been doing "apt-cache search firefox" for example (to list everything related to firefox prety much.....) |
| 11:38.42 | missmbob | !tell fkup about dont break debian |
| 11:38.47 | Iridos | and it's just authenticating you so actually it should be https |
| 11:38.51 | fkup | and such.. not always too convenient to go thru the search results there tho |
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| 11:39.42 | missmbob | fkup: debian isn't meant to have a million ppa's like ubuntu. you'll break things pretty quickly that way |
| 11:39.53 | fkup | hm, sry what do you mean? |
| 11:39.56 | fkup | "ppa"? |
| 11:40.01 | fkup | how'd i break anything..? =s |
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| 11:40.10 | Iridos | but we do have main contrib non-free |
| 11:40.18 | fkup | not that i'd neccessarily install everything, but..:d' |
| 11:40.24 | Iridos | and there's also ex-volatile and security |
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| 11:40.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | there isn't anything in my iptables blocking me |
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| 11:41.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | don't get this.. |
| 11:41.44 | fkup | one addon I saw, for example, ("xul-ext-gnome-keyring", descr; "store Mozilla passwords in a GNOME Keyring") -- would I be eligible for use of any such GNOME-functions/features, considering I chose the GUI "Xfce" rather (than Gnome) ? |
| 11:42.05 | Iridos | fkup, hm, can you paste (into http://paste.debian.net) the output of tail -n900 /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
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| 11:43.16 | fkup | Iridos; hang on |
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| 11:45.57 | fkup | sry still workin on ... (to get the output text here...) |
| 11:46.01 | fkup | w8 up. |
| 11:46.11 | fredl | Anybody want to pick up https://internal.softlayer.com/Ticket/ticketPreview/33511505 ? I'm having difficulties logging in on VPN |
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| 11:47.47 | fkup | sry doing a shutdown n reboot on it... to hopefulyl enable me more easily copy / paste back n forth frmo it, sharing files between it n this comp etc more easily..take a min or two tleast ,sry |
| 11:47.50 | fkup | ..if still around.. ^ |
| 11:48.00 | fredl | oops |
| 11:48.04 | fredl | wrong window :) |
| 11:48.09 | fkup | anyway, if helps.. cant remember but i did see some list of links when I typed the tail -n9 .. |
| 11:48.28 | missmbob | doesn't help at all |
| 11:48.33 | missmbob | !tell fkup about pastebinit |
| 11:49.53 | fkup | yeah i would if I could only get it copied n pasted... |
| 11:50.02 | missmbob | read what the bot said |
| 11:50.21 | fkup | i just got lynx as browser on the box so far, unless theres some built-in one there too (i dno, just got lynx for a quick --dump earlier to verify it could get on web pages) |
| 11:50.28 | fkup | sry sec ill see.. |
| 11:50.33 | missmbob | there is |
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| 11:51.11 | fkup | ..oh! pastebin*it*.. sounds like a nice app.. sry I didn't catch that at first. I'll get that asap then, sounds kewl |
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| 11:53.15 | fkup | ..till its back up n R again.. anyway, I did some quick downloads.. like the firewall "ufw"; and I did some quick (prly useless,but) rules like deny tcp 25, 110 etc.. (common mail ports (incas malicious spammers would try trix on my box!)).... would this be a good way and just supplementing iptables, or is it a simpler, worse version anyway, than simply using iptables.? |
| 11:54.07 | fkup | i can't remember all the iptables commands but it was much more elaborative..just thought of it after seeing the gui version of that firewall... seemed quite basic.. does is inhibit or even stop iptables functioning... or.. uh, that firewall any worthwhile having at all..? cant ermember where, but on some site.. "post debian install tips"-kinda place |
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| 12:00.06 | fkup | Iridos: http://paste.debian.net/864892 |
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| 12:01.10 | fkup | sry, that was overly late reply..not sure if still around,but..meh:x anyway..did find out about and learn n setup that pastebinit! one v useful thing Ive been missing even when on windows.. very convenient.. just gotta be careful with that default-upload to there (if shown public) or afraid i may end up dumping my .. passwordds or something,eventually,haha |
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| 12:02.00 | fkup | imma... uh, go play more wiwth the.. apt-cache search and stuff i find there to install i guess.. still alot of things.,if not the easiest way to read and find new stuff etc. but. ^_^ |
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| 12:03.36 | fkup | oohh.. actually.. sry,guess ive bn kinda dumb, heh.. just noticed there are already a load of prorgams already included.. not sure if standard on Debian or this Xfxcr thing I got (desktop look/setup)... like Firefox (browser), it appears.. (just asying "Firefox ESR"..whatever that last bit means..) |
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| 12:05.07 | fkup | for desktop use, any simple common pgp tools, keyring, encryption container etc. that is commonly used and convenient and any such considered superior and recommended, possibly easily used without much hassle, for sevreal things etc..? (for signing messages or files, verifying files, decrypting etc.., while keeping it all (priv key, keyring content etc?) somewhat safe) |
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| 12:07.40 | fkup | apparently the openvpn one'd get by apt-get'ting it without changes after a fresh install is possibly not the latest version? one hardened-guide affiliated with openvpn server setup/config linkd to https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/OpenvpnSoftwareRepos which seems related to Debian and menrtions Jesse.. |
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| 12:09.05 | fkup | ..hopefully all openssl,tsl etc. versions are good and it know what certs/authorities to trust or not, n such...? I'd hope.. dunno how old the "default" openvpn-server version would be, but in changelog for newest appears to be some nice major fixes..... unsure if to bother trying to set it up w those new repos as suggested there (just to try,dun rly need openvpn on it atm anyway..) |
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| 12:11.20 | fkup | anyone knows.:? also.about the firewall, "ufw" -- is this an acceptable and worthwhile prorgam to have..? (gui version too?), or think it'd be better to simply get used to syntax of managing iptables to set routing, block/accept/drop etc. in a more..elaborate manner..? (the fw seems simply..may be nice for quick easy jobs, but... wouldn't want it if it'd inhibit functioning of iptables any) |
| 12:11.57 | Iridos | fkup, you are only using the "main" repository right now, which is "Debian" and consists to 100% of FOSS software. If you edit that file (i.e. /etc/apt/sources.list ), and change "main" to "main contrib non-free" on all lines, there are two additional repositories that contain non-free software and (for "contrib") software that is free, but depends in some way on non-free software |
| 12:12.18 | fkup | -..i think... kinda new to it all still =S (sry btw, saying new...im v new to nix, buuut... have setup n messed w much .. all kindsa stuff, on many kinda boxes thru the years, but prty much only ever over putty.exe (boxes being servers, and far away..), so know a lil as such:d |
| 12:12.25 | fkup | ooh.. |
| 12:12.51 | Iridos | fkup, and you probably want to delete the line starting with "deb cdrom: " because you probably don't want to keep using the install CD |
| 12:12.56 | fkup | but "non-free".. what does that mean, could it be regrettable to make that change if I am not planing to pay anything for any apps (for now at least) ? |
| 12:13.22 | fkup | o.. :o lol, yeah... had that issue wondered bout that cd thingwhen booting now:S |
| 12:13.22 | Iridos | it can mean all kinds of things |
| 12:13.23 | fkup | thanks |
| 12:13.25 | fkup | sec lmc.. |
| 12:13.39 | Iridos | you have to look at each package to see what it means |
| 12:13.59 | fkup | k |
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| 12:14.24 | Iridos | and yes, some programs like "rar" in there are shareware and you are supposed to register and pay for that after 40 days |
| 12:14.28 | fkup | the fact its not Open Source dosen't neeccesariuly mean its pay-ware, simply closed-source and may be many useful good things there still eh? |
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| 12:15.25 | fkup | hm,k... pretty sure ive seen other programs dealing with .rar... not sure,but..aren't there? think should be! (not that ivm tring hard to sneak away from supporting the rarlabs (or whoever made it) :P, buuut, will be trying to find ways around as such mostly i think |
| 12:15.50 | Iridos | and yes⦠non-free can contain all kinds of things⦠often just licenses that mean you can use it for free but that don't qualify as FOSS |
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| 12:16.09 | fkup | ..or some alternate (free) softawre doing that ^.. prty sure I saw some time, could be wrong tho. Stupidly have been playing games and doing drugs overly much for too long,..forgetting/forgotten too much of these things I used to remember better :| |
| 12:16.13 | Iridos | you can see that for rar (if you have non-free) if you do apt-cache show rar |
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| 12:16.20 | fkup | k. . cool. thanks again for good infoz btw:)) |
| 12:16.24 | fkup | o |
| 12:16.26 | fkup | k |
| 12:16.27 | fkup | nice |
| 12:17.08 | Iridos | that's only rar, unrar isn't shareware |
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| 12:18.26 | Iridos | you can see what versions are available to you and in what repo they are with e.g. apt-cache madison rar |
| 12:18.36 | Iridos | or apt-cache madison steam (which is also in non-free) |
| 12:18.57 | themill | (or ask judd!) |
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| 12:20.20 | fkup | oh |
| 12:20.58 | fkup | nice... good info.. thnx again, n for being so patient with me n my (im sure) stupid questions n all.... :) |
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| 12:22.17 | fkup | are you contributing somehow back eventually, or assume many may be able to..? ifnot developing/innovating new softwarte or something.. somehow, some good that comes from a community eventually , of noobs like me i mean, besides leeching of info as such?^ seems draining.. and, as I pay nothing for any of this...i like it all, just..hopefully will be sustainable..! would n will help when i can! |
| 12:22.23 | fkup | ..afarid may be a awhile still tho :d |
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| 12:23.22 | jair | hello all :) I have been fighting with this simple thing... I am trying to make my user back to the default: uid=1000(jbolivar) gid=119(bluetooth) groups=119(bluetooth),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),113(lpadmin),130(sambashare) |
| 12:23.48 | fkup | contributing, i mean like these.. open source things... seems like a gazillion people are being overly generous, where they cuold have asked for money for their work instead... kinda suggests returning the same behavior, whenev poss at least.. or mayybe they were all just already rich and felt like bein generous :d |
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| 12:24.25 | jair | but whatever I do I can't change the gid=119(bluetooth) groups=119(bluetooth) to gid=1000(jbolivar) groups=1000(jbolivar) |
| 12:24.34 | jair | what is going on??? |
| 12:25.00 | jair | I tried all the commands gpasswd usermod -g -G -u restart after and nothing |
| 12:25.23 | jair | how can I make the system tp be back to default: gid=1000(jbolivar) groups=1000(jbolivar) |
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| 12:28.44 | jair | jbolivar ~ # usermod -u 1000 jbolivar |
| 12:28.44 | jair | usermod: no changes |
| 12:28.46 | jair | ? |
| 12:28.50 | jair | why???? |
| 12:29.22 | jair | jbolivar@jbolivar ~ $ id |
| 12:29.22 | jair | uid=1000(jbolivar) gid=119(bluetooth) groups=119(bluetooth),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),113(lpadmin),130(sambashare) |
| 12:29.25 | jeddi | jair: first two words in output of 'id' ? |
| 12:29.40 | jeddi | jair maybe slow down on the pasting to this channel |
| 12:29.47 | jair | sure |
| 12:29.59 | jair | I am not understanding what you are trying to say? |
| 12:29.59 | jeddi | jair: grep jbolivar /etc/group -- output of same please to pastebin |
| 12:30.06 | jair | OK |
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| 12:30.18 | jair | jeddi: as root? |
| 12:30.30 | jeddi | there should be a line that says 'jbolivar:x:1000:' |
| 12:30.50 | jeddi | jair: /etc/group is world readable. |
| 12:31.42 | jair | jeddi: http://paste.debian.net/865014/ |
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| 12:32.27 | jeddi | jair: output of 'grep jbolivar /etc/passwd' too please (again, world-readable) |
| 12:32.57 | jair | ok |
| 12:32.59 | jeddi | i'm guessing jbolivar:x:1000:119 |
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| 12:33.45 | jair | jeddi: correct --> jbolivar:x:1000:119:Jair Bolivar,,,:/home/jbolivar:/bin/bash |
| 12:34.34 | jeddi | jair: one last one - output of 'grep 1000 /etc/group' - more than one line? |
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| 12:35.28 | jair | jeddi: nope just this line --> jbolivar:x:1000: |
| 12:35.45 | jeddi | jair: i'd be tempted to just (as root) edit /etc/passwd and change your gid to 1000 then. that should fix you. logout and in again as jbolivar and confirm with 'id' |
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| 12:36.06 | jeddi | did you run a chgrp or similar a while back with the bluetooth gid? |
| 12:36.28 | jair | jeddi: yep, while troubleshooting issues with bluetooth |
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| 12:36.41 | jeddi | jair: aha. well, whatever you did, don't do it again :) |
| 12:36.49 | jair | ^^ |
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| 12:39.14 | jair | jeddi: will be right back |
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| 12:42.39 | ftpuser | Hi all. I have to setup vsftpd with SSLv3/TLS1.x support. Unfortunately, afaik the SSLv3 support has been droppen in OpenSSL. Do I have to recompile vsftpd and openssl or is there an easier way? |
| 12:43.59 | epsilon | use the stock package or compile with current packages to be sure. ssl had quiet many bug fixes in last months |
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| 12:45.57 | ftpuser | epsilon: I'm running the current stable versions from the jessie repository. Is vsftpd or openssl limiting here? |
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| 12:47.40 | missmbob | ftpuser: not in jessie it hasn't. to disable it you will have to recompile |
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| 12:48.01 | jair | jeddi: hi there all good now in terms of the username and group |
| 12:48.04 | jair | jeddi: |
| 12:48.18 | jair | jbolivar@jbolivar /home $ id |
| 12:48.18 | jair | uid=1000(jbolivar) gid=1000(jbolivar) groups=1000(jbolivar),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),113(lpadmin),130(sambashare) |
| 12:48.34 | ftpuser | missmbob: I know it's bad, but actually I have to enable SSLv3. Can't get it working whereas TLS works fine |
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| 12:49.10 | jair | jeddi: thank you so much, however I noticed that all the files everything owned by me my home directory etc... is owned by jbolivar but group "bluetooth" |
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| 12:49.31 | jair | to fix this... in the safest possible way? |
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| 12:50.28 | jair | jeddi: something like (as root chown -R jbolivar:jbolivar /home/jbolivar ? |
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| 12:51.13 | jeddi | jair: yup that's the right command. |
| 12:51.32 | jair | jeddi: thank you so much |
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| 12:51.39 | iamawesome | Hi, is it possible to boot kernel from subfolder? |
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| 12:52.26 | iamawesome | kernel is in /home/user1/custom_linux/boot/vmlinuz root=UUID=f1640a39-dd8b-4633-8d42-92f7bc0e395b rw , is it possible , will it work? |
| 12:52.28 | jeddi | jair: you may have some files in /tmp and /var/tmp that are owned by you ... the former will be flushed on the next reboot, the latter shouldn't be a problem (the only thing I've got in /var/tmp is my kdecache-jedd directory, f.e, which I expect is snotted / rebuilt on logout / login) |
| 12:52.58 | jair | jeddi: excellent :) |
| 12:53.04 | jair | jeddi: really appreciate it |
| 12:53.05 | jeddi | iamawesome: is that file system visible at boot? |
| 12:53.23 | jeddi | jair: all good - appreciate it can be a bit unsettling when things go weird. |
| 12:54.22 | jair | jeddi: ^^ have a good evening I am heading out now. Thank you so much and GOD bless you and people like you |
| 12:54.26 | jair | take care |
| 12:54.29 | jair | bye bye |
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| 12:55.16 | iamawesome | jeddi: Which filesystem? |
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| 12:55.54 | jeddi | iamawesome: /home/user1/custom_linux/boot/ |
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| 12:56.33 | jeddi | iamawesome: i am guessing not :) |
| 12:56.42 | jeddi | iamawesome: but easy enough to test to prove out for yourself, yes? |
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| 12:57.13 | Kitty | Where can I find a debian 7 mirror? Seems all those in the list are no longer there |
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| 12:57.18 | jeddi | iamawesome: typically /boot is the only fs available at boot. |
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| 13:00.39 | N0v4 | anybody awake in here?? anybody in to hacking, like the NCL thing? where you use different Kali tools to decipher different puzzles? |
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| 13:02.57 | fkup | N0v4: sry I prolly can't help, no idea what you mean by puzzles for example.. but please elaborate, and may be easier to find out more-if any1 may be able as such..? |
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| 13:03.23 | fkup | "NCL thing"? what did you try so far, why did u eventually think it wasn't workign .. |
| 13:03.39 | Brigo | ask! |
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| 13:03.53 | N0v4 | pardon? |
| 13:04.39 | fkup | sry i mean't to say, maybe some1 would be able to give info or help somehow if u gave some moer info on what u're after, or having problems with |
| 13:04.45 | Brigo | N0v4, this is a Debian support channel, if you have a question about Debian just ask (and Kali is not Debian) |
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| 13:05.21 | stoned | Good morning |
| 13:05.37 | stoned | N0v4: kali is offtopic here |
| 13:05.39 | fkup | yeah I'd guess they have some other IRC that'll be more useful to ya N0v4 if maybe simply missed that |
| 13:05.51 | stoned | N0v4: if you wish to learn how to use security tools, please read their documentation or join ##security |
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| 13:06.18 | stoned | If you need help with your debian stable distribution in any manner, you're welcoem to ask here. |
| 13:06.54 | stoned | !sources.list |
| 13:06.54 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 13:07.01 | fkup | pff, and still didn't say what he meant by that =s |
| 13:07.13 | stoned | Kitty: ^ |
| 13:07.27 | stoned | Kitty: use httpredir.debian.org as your mirror |
| 13:07.51 | fkup | jsut wondering, im totally n00b to all this.. I have Debian 8.5, why (unless v unusual case..) would anyone want a version lower of the OS? |
| 13:08.13 | stoned | many reasons which would not apply to you as a user. |
| 13:08.22 | fkup | anything missing or much different in Debian 8.5 that'd be reason for some to de-grade? Is that lower version still considered stable and reliable,secure ? |
| 13:08.28 | fkup | o |
| 13:08.28 | stoned | No |
| 13:08.38 | stoned | Simply security updates which you *should* get. |
| 13:08.45 | bezaban | fkup: on a stable track not really unless very specific edge cases. You should/could upgrade to 8.6 though :) |
| 13:09.02 | fkup | oh really.. so for like an internet server u'd alawys want the newest, right.. |
| 13:09.07 | bezaban | but you'd usually solve that by pinning a package version, not by stopping installing updates |
| 13:09.08 | stoned | no |
| 13:09.13 | stoned | Wrong again, unfortuantely |
| 13:09.15 | stoned | Not 'new'. |
| 13:09.24 | stoned | Stable/secure/updated w/ patches/security/hardened |
| 13:09.32 | missmbob | !httpredir issues |
| 13:09.32 | dpkg | The <httpredir> service selects bad mirrors for some people. If you're one of them, try explicitly choosing a mirror: "deb http://ftp.XX.debian.org/debian jessie main" etc. (where XX is your, or a nearby, country code). Avoid using the US mirror round robin; ask me about <mirror list> <ftp.us.debian.org>. |
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| 13:09.44 | stoned | !mirrors |
| 13:09.44 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <httpredir.debian.org>, <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:09.52 | stoned | Get a list there |
| 13:09.54 | fkup | 8.6?! :O i thought i downloaded this(and burnt onto a CD) just like.. i dno.. week or few ago... is there an upgrade frmo 8.5 already that I should upgrade to? "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade-dist" or something like that was it..? |
| 13:10.08 | stoned | There is also an apt program I forgot which tests hops to all the mirros and you can select the closet one to you |
| 13:10.11 | stoned | I forgot the name. |
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| 13:11.17 | fkup | oo, nice.. |
| 13:11.25 | missmbob | fkup: apt-get upgrade would work |
| 13:11.26 | stoned | https://paste.debian.net/865131/ <- this is my update script |
| 13:11.39 | stoned | Feel free to modify to your needs. |
| 13:11.44 | stoned | Read and see what I'm doing. |
| 13:11.57 | stoned | But in short, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 13:12.06 | stoned | You don't need dist or full upgrade optins |
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| 13:12.10 | stoned | That's implied |
| 13:12.29 | fkup | during install i used this... "netinst" i tihnk it was called--it just got some from the CD I had, and downloaded the rest (lots of updates). It asked me for my location (Kingdom of Norway) and listed few mirrors here taht it appeared to intend using for those updates.. shouldn't it be set already or still for me now then, or? |
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| 13:12.45 | fkup | missmbob: thx!..writing down..will try that shortly,then |
| 13:12.46 | stoned | Should be. |
| 13:12.55 | fkup | i |
| 13:13.05 | gry | ' |
| 13:13.05 | fkup | o* |
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| 13:13.09 | stoned | \o/ |
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| 13:13.26 | fkup | hm.. sry im kinda slow n dumb i guess..:s many thanks, folks.. :)) |
| 13:13.37 | stoned | I'm kinda stoned and awesome. |
| 13:13.40 | stoned | It's cool. You're alright. |
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| 13:14.50 | stoned | fkup: you can come off as not dumb (not that you are or you do). 'sry' 'n' :)) (extra panetheses) |
| 13:14.53 | fkup | :d |
| 13:14.57 | stoned | *shrug* I observe. |
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| 13:15.09 | fkup | ooh. |
| 13:15.20 | stoned | Take the time to speak well. |
| 13:15.23 | fkup | think I should put more effort into typijng better? |
| 13:15.26 | stoned | You'll be taken more seriosly by the world. |
| 13:15.31 | stoned | IMO, yes. |
| 13:15.34 | fkup | hm:) |
| 13:15.42 | stoned | :) |
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| 13:18.36 | fkup | Heard that quite alot of times past year(s) actually.. you just said it in a much nicer way, I think..:P :) .. will try..! (I've said that some times before as well,but:) |
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| 13:19.29 | missmbob | it's "a lot" not "alot" since we're talking about proper speak :P |
| 13:19.32 | fkup | Just gotta bare with my poor english (grammar,spelling) for now though I'm afraid. |
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| 13:19.49 | fkup | hm, it is..? always? "a lot" <- that space |
| 13:20.04 | missmbob | yes, always |
| 13:20.22 | fkup | urgh...I guess my spelling I's full of mistakes then... surely |
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| 13:20.56 | greycat | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html |
| 13:21.09 | fkup | hmh! interesting.. I occasionally google up english definition, comparison, synonyms etc. of words, but that's one I prolly wouldn't have thought to, and never knew.. such a basic simple now. I'll remember that! Thanks:P |
| 13:21.28 | blug | is there any frontend for chown and chmod to setup ownership && permissions in one step or do I have to write a script for myself? |
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| 13:21.39 | gry | :D greycat , fkup |
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| 13:22.12 | fkup | "a lot" ... huh. Not just me,then.. must have picked that up from others.. I'd wager a lot of people being careless or maybe are simple also simply lacking awareness of appropriate spelling |
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| 13:22.58 | al3xv3gas | guys how do I make a debian package out of a python script? |
| 13:23.22 | greycat | !nmg |
| 13:23.22 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 13:23.44 | blug | al3xv3gas: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
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| 13:24.00 | missmbob | fkup: i blame the school system |
| 13:24.36 | blug | missmbob: the school system is set up to systematically fuck up people's minds |
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| 13:25.40 | greycat | When I was in school, we had to spell things correctly. We got lower grades if we didn't. |
| 13:26.23 | missmbob | same here. we're old though. |
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| 13:30.30 | stoned | greycat: haha |
| 13:30.47 | fkup | missmbob: U'd prolly disagree if I were to elaborate.. but I'd blame our differences; humans eventually, and our diversities, though again these being good for other things, and what enables other progress.. Not as much the school system, individuals or society at whole, I guess.... We're just kinda..human, after all.. :d so much fked up stuff...ignorance is bliss idd..^^ |
| 13:30.56 | stoned | greycat: I went to St. Anthony's in Pakistan. Taught by nuns and strict British teachers. |
| 13:31.12 | stoned | Education now these days mostly sucks. |
| 13:31.16 | missmbob | they let you get stoned in pakistan? |
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| 13:31.20 | stoned | But that's neither here nor there. |
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| 13:31.29 | stoned | Dude. Cannabis originated in Pakistan |
| 13:31.32 | stoned | Kush Valley |
| 13:31.35 | stoned | But anymore |
| 13:31.37 | stoned | i mean anyway |
| 13:31.41 | greycat | If they stoned him in Pakistan, he'd probably be dead.... |
| 13:31.47 | missmbob | heh |
| 13:31.50 | blug | I hope you're getting stoned by using Debian! Otherwise your discussion is offtopic! |
| 13:31.51 | stoned | ha |
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| 13:32.00 | stoned | since 2000 man. |
| 13:32.01 | missmbob | blug: believe me, he's stoned |
| 13:32.08 | stoned | I been here longer than most of ya'll. |
| 13:32.16 | stoned | well, 2001~ish |
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| 13:33.11 | stoned | Not that it makes me special. Just old. Ha. |
| 13:33.26 | fkup | I believe Cannabis is found naturally in large parts of the world, Pakistan is far from alone. Pretty much all over the world even. |
| 13:33.34 | stoned | fkup: ##stoned |
| 13:33.50 | gry | hugs stoned |
| 13:33.57 | stoned | hugs gry <3 |
| 13:34.06 | Iridos | it actually _is_ offtopic⦠and there's a wonderful #debian-offtopic channel which is pretty quiet right now |
| 13:34.12 | gry | yes |
| 13:34.25 | stoned | I don't discuss Cannabis anywhere but ##stoned |
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| 13:34.35 | stoned | IRC channels are topical for a reason. |
| 13:34.58 | blug | that's my hemp bread: https://imgur.com/a/097v1 |
| 13:34.59 | themill | let's make it so... |
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| 13:35.14 | fkup | Probably a good thing. Be unfortunate to be bad influence on ppl in here idd. |
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| 13:35.38 | greycat | wonders what the hell "idd" is |
| 13:35.41 | stoned | Well, I'm not changing my nick. I just don't engage in stoner discussion any longer. I'm not 20 anymore. Been 15 years. People change. |
| 13:35.49 | fkup | (drugs are bad,mmkay^..smoking doesn't help much, either) |
| 13:35.50 | tinyhippo | greycat: typo for did? |
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| 13:35.57 | tinyhippo | greycat: or maybe indeed |
| 13:36.09 | fkup | oh.. sorry! I keep forgetting I should try spell better. Btw greycat I meant "indeed" |
| 13:36.18 | themill | stoned: I'd appreciate actually seeing that in action rather than words. Thanks. |
| 13:36.29 | stoned | themill: scroll up. |
| 13:36.37 | stoned | Let's not do this. |
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| 13:36.54 | stoned | *afk* |
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| 13:44.57 | Muted | Hi, I'm trying to setup my pc as Bluetooth SPP server and simply output the messages I'm receiving from my android phone. Is there an easy way to do this? I've tried rfcomm bind/listen and some other things found online but to no success. Thanks! |
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| 13:49.48 | talin | hello. debian jessie crashes randomly during install... this box has run debian in the past. ubuntu works... any tips? i'm starting it without graphical environment... no VESA framebuffer stuff |
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| 13:50.44 | missmbob | talin: how did you copy the iso? |
| 13:50.50 | greycat | All I can think of is to make sure it's the latest jessie installer, with a kernel that has the USB fixes. |
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| 13:52.03 | greycat | There was a major jessie kernel upgrade on... looks like July 4. |
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| 14:02.22 | nettly | hi |
| 14:02.25 | nettly | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-backports wheezy-backports-sloppy |
| 14:02.29 | nettly | why doesn't this work? |
| 14:02.31 | nettly | malformed? |
| 14:02.40 | nettly | it looks correct to me though |
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| 14:03.58 | missmbob | nettly: because it's wrong. http://backports.debian.org/Instructions |
| 14:04.11 | missmbob | nettly: and there is no backports-sloppy |
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| 14:05.49 | nettly | missmbob: the reason why I try to use "sloppy": https://haproxy.debian.net/#?distribution=Debian&release=wheezy&version=1.6 |
| 14:05.54 | nettly | I am confused now :/ |
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| 14:08.13 | talin | missmbob: dd, like the handbook say |
| 14:08.25 | talin | greycat: okay. thank you |
| 14:08.38 | missmbob | talin: install guide actually says cp but dd will work |
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| 14:11.00 | TomTomTo1 | nettly: that should be deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports-sloppy |
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| 14:11.20 | nettly | TomTomTo1: why is the deb-src line different? |
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| 14:12.04 | TomTomTo1 | what deb-src line? different in what way? |
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| 14:14.03 | nettly | TomTomTo1: |
| 14:14.11 | nettly | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports-sloppy main |
| 14:14.17 | nettly | sorry |
| 14:14.19 | troffasky | nettly, deb is for binaries, deb-src is for source packages |
| 14:15.13 | troffasky | if you don't know which you want, you almost certainly want binaries |
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| 14:15.16 | nettly | TomTomTo1, troffasky: What I mean: http://pastebin.com/X9R9zbPn |
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| 14:15.24 | nettly | sorry for the confusion - no src |
| 14:15.31 | nettly | but why are there two lines that are slightly different? |
| 14:15.35 | nettly | I never used such a thing |
| 14:15.43 | nettly | usually you only have one line per "aspect" |
| 14:15.56 | greycat | One is wheezy-backports and the other is wheezy-backports-sloppy which I've never heard of |
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| 14:16.17 | greycat | So you've got two different repositories from which apt (et al.) may select packages. |
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| 14:16.30 | TomTomTo1 | the package you want is in wheezy-backports-sloppy and will probably pull dependencies from wheezy-backports |
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| 14:17.20 | TomTomTo1 | at least the installation guide included both, so it's probably needed. |
| 14:17.59 | superman8 | TomTomTo1: Is it a problem when need to reboot debian only out of a blank screen with a dash and then wait for it to reboot in 1 minute? |
| 14:19.29 | TomTomTo1 | as i understood oldstable-backports can't get packages from the current testing. those get pushed to oldstable-backports-sloppy |
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| 14:20.29 | greycat | That seems to be what the backports-sloppy factoid is saying. |
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| 14:27.20 | talin | i have tried to isntall from usb stick and from CD... wheezy crashes, jessie crashes and now i tried stretch, which also crashes during install... at random times |
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| 14:27.52 | greycat | But you said that Ubuntu works. So... stick with Ubuntu on this hardware? |
| 14:28.17 | greycat | Or try a testing installer (not supported here), or wait for stretch to release. |
| 14:28.22 | talin | even when booting with vga=normal fb=false |
| 14:28.35 | talin | the weird thing is that the thing that is currently installed on it, is debian |
| 14:28.42 | talin | some old broken sid |
| 14:28.52 | talin | from ~3 years ago |
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| 14:30.43 | jelly-home | talin: is it a workstation system with GUI and stuff or a server/headless one? |
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| 14:31.16 | greycat | Also, what kind of hardware is it? |
| 14:31.19 | talin | jelly-home: server |
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| 14:32.02 | talin | greycat: ordinary intel server |
| 14:33.11 | greycat | What brand, what model? SCSI disks or SATA or PATA? What disk controller, what ethernet interface(s)? Etc. |
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| 14:33.41 | greycat | What kernel is currently installed (and working?) on it? |
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| 14:36.59 | lowin | Is there a way to make xfce's audio widget work with pulseaudio? |
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| 14:37.29 | lowin | I know there is a pulseaudio widget for xfce 4.12 but jessie ships with 4.10 |
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| 14:39.29 | FirePowi | Hello, I'm on Debian testing and I need python-farstream for gajim audio/video feature. But python-farstream is no more available on Debian testing. Is there another way to get it, please ? |
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| 14:40.03 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 14:40.03 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:40.25 | jelly-home | why did I read python-fartstream |
| 14:40.36 | FirePowi | Thanks greycat |
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| 14:42.40 | nettly | thanks for your help! I try the new config out |
| 14:43.43 | mdlpe | hola, i visit dozen of website and i didn't find something works. I want to make a tar archive of all my home hidden folder. %find . -uname '*.' - exec tar cf foo.tar {} \; select all directories not only hidden |
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| 14:53.30 | kai_w | mdlpe: your wildcard needs to be ".*", hidden folders start with a '.', not end with one. |
| 14:53.55 | kai_w | Also are you meaning to look recursively? This will also find things like "Documents/.hidden_thing" |
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| 14:54.24 | greycat | mdlpe: Why can't you just make a tar archive of your *entire home directory*? Why are you trying to get ONLY the dot files/dot directories? |
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| 14:55.45 | somiaj | also be careful with .* it will hit . and .., which you may not want to include in a tar. |
| 14:55.56 | somiaj | (unsure if tar will follow those or not) |
| 14:56.00 | greycat | The whole question is deepy problematic. |
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| 14:56.43 | deepy | nods |
| 14:56.48 | polemic | you could prune ..* ? |
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| 14:57.15 | greycat | ... I suck at typing. Sorry deepy. |
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| 14:57.19 | deepy | No worries |
| 14:57.23 | somiaj | polemic: .??* will avoid . and .., but it will also avoid any file .a, .b, etc |
| 14:57.24 | mdlpe | greycat: I want to isolate all the hidden directories of my home to make a tar archive of this directories and contents. find -type d -name '.*' show ALL directories not only hidden |
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| 14:57.55 | petemc | find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -name .\* |
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| 14:58.18 | greycat | But WHY do you want to do this INSANELY DIFFICULT AND RIDICULOUS thing? |
| 14:58.33 | greycat | Why not do the much SIMPLER and more USEFUL thing of backing up the entire home dir? |
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| 14:58.53 | mdlpe | greycat: and why not ? |
| 14:59.12 | greycat | See "INSANELY DIFFICULT AND RIDICULOUS" and also because it neglects to back up all of the things. |
| 14:59.23 | ksk | you can alter the globbing to include hidden files.. but if you only want to backup your home, why not use like "/home/$user/" as path for rsync/tar/whatever |
| 14:59.27 | polemic | find . -maxdepth 1 - type d -name ".*" -o -path "..*" -prune -o -print ? |
| 14:59.38 | mdlpe | greycat: i have my own reason to make separate backup |
| 15:00.03 | cyphix | Maybe it's not the right place to ask... I run a debian server and I try to install some perl modules with cpanm. In particular, I need the Module::Install module. But when I run 'cpanm Module::Install', I receive this error: https://p.cyphix.org/view/3059c343. I'm following a tutorial, so I don't know these tools very much... |
| 15:00.26 | greycat | And I have my own reasons to ignore you, coming very quickly. But first I will point out that the only known way to glob "all the hidden files except . and .." is with TWO SEPARATE GLOBS, and each one is more complex than the single glob you are trying to use. |
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| 15:01.11 | greycat | Since your naive .* glob will match . and .. you will end up backing up more than you intended. |
| 15:02.27 | greycat | (Or maybe find never considers .. in which case it just matches . but that's already enough to kill your dream.) |
| 15:02.59 | mdlpe | find . -wholename "./\.*" works I'm not sure i preserve the hierachy |
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| 15:03.21 | mdlpe | ** folder tree |
| 15:03.39 | somiaj | In my situations .??* has worked for me. But I have no dot files .<singlecharacter> to backup. |
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| 15:03.54 | somiaj | well on my system. |
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| 15:04.35 | petemc | find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -name .\* | grep -v ^.$ | tar cvf foo.tar -T - |
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| 15:05.02 | greycat | petemc: #bash would tell you that it fails on filenames with newlines in them |
| 15:05.23 | polemic | wouldn't print0 fix that? |
| 15:05.28 | petemc | -T should handle that, no? |
| 15:05.32 | greycat | If you want the magic PAIR OF GLOBS that can match this properly, see http://www.etalabs.net/sh_tricks.html |
| 15:05.33 | polemic | and then xargs -0 ? |
| 15:05.44 | petemc | ah no, need -print0 as well |
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| 15:05.58 | somiaj | .[!.]* seems to work here, think that should get things like .a |
| 15:06.05 | greycat | That's half of it. |
| 15:06.15 | mdlpe | wait i need to reset my internet connexion |
| 15:06.25 | greycat | Nobody is going to wait for you. |
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| 15:08.41 | insane_tesla | hello |
| 15:09.23 | somiaj | cyphix: maybe you need libmodule-install-perl |
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| 15:11.48 | kai_w | I can't get glxinfo/vulkaninfo to work over SSH with the proprietary nvidia driver. Tried ssh -X/-Y, and adding +iglx to my X command. Any other advice? |
| 15:11.52 | kai_w | Locally everything works fine. |
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| 15:12.51 | somiaj | kai_w: are you specifing what $DISPLAY to use and the user has access to that $DISPLAY? |
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| 15:13.37 | greycat | -X or -Y should set DISPLAY for you. Manually changing it would be wrong. |
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| 15:14.01 | somiaj | oh I missed that..not sure then |
| 15:14.19 | greycat | I ... have absolutely no idea what crazy notion leads you to believe you can tunnel OpenGL over ssh. |
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| 15:15.53 | mdlpe | I apologize but I got internet pb and all is lost. Anyway tanks to all |
| 15:15.56 | r3 | where is the "proper" place to set stty parameters? I've included a line in /etc/rc.local in order to turn off the blasted echo so that I can get data in properly on tty1, and it appears to be working, so I am just wondering if there is a better solution. Thanks |
| 15:16.25 | greycat | r3: err. What are you trying to do? |
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| 15:18.20 | r3 | oh my, I am sorry, greycat, I thought it would be a quick answer like "no, don't use rc.local, use nnnnnn, you dolt", the short answer is that I must do a "stty --file=/dev/tty1 -echo" in order to turn off local echo that is interfering with serial data coming in. |
| 15:19.06 | greycat | OK, first of all, /dev/tty1 ain't a serial port. |
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| 15:19.37 | r3 | it seems to be working, and I am happy to leave it, rather than impede upon your time, greycat, I was just thinking there might be a better spot for that. Maybe not. Maybe I got it right. er, it's /dev/ttyAMA0 - my bad. |
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| 15:19.54 | greycat | Now, assuming you meant /dev/ttyS1 or something, then the APPLICATION that opens the serial port is supposed to perform the ioctl() calls to set the modes correctly. |
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| 15:20.15 | greycat | If your application can't do that, then it is perfectly reasonable to wrap a shell script around it which runs "stty" commands before exec-ing the application. |
| 15:20.44 | kai_w | greycat: glxgears/glxinfo work fine with mesa drivers (intel and nouveau) |
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| 15:21.04 | r3 | yes, very good, thanks, greycat, I will look into a shell script wrapper |
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| 15:22.29 | kai_w | I'm mainly wanting to play with vulkan, but the only non-intel card I have is attached to a computer in a different building. |
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| 15:23.12 | kai_w | I suspect this is related to the gl issue because vulkaninfo complains about not being able to load the NV-GLX extension, and I know the nvidia driver shares quite a it between the two APIs |
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| 15:24.04 | woffs | Hi. Is there a usable hylafax-client for the average user? |
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| 15:24.17 | ayypot | Any folks here also do their apt-get upgrades on a cronjob? Php always breaks it. Php tries to bring up a terminal and the update is halted |
| 15:24.26 | ayypot | https://0x0.st/jq9.txt |
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| 15:26.07 | al3xv3gas | Guys, how do I make a debian package from a normal python app? |
| 15:26.19 | greycat | !nmg |
| 15:26.19 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 15:26.41 | greycat | If you are waiting for someone else to just give you 1-3 magical commands, well.... |
| 15:26.48 | al3xv3gas | I want the simples possible way please |
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| 15:26.58 | al3xv3gas | as little complication as possible thanks |
| 15:27.14 | greycat | Yes. Of course you do. No, wait. Sorry. I am not speaking your dialect. 0f c0ur53 u d0. |
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| 15:27.30 | neglesaks | Q: Is it normal for the far majority of changelogs in the update packages dialogue to be 404? |
| 15:27.31 | al3xv3gas | funny |
| 15:27.36 | al3xv3gas | - not - |
| 15:27.46 | al3xv3gas | lets stay objective shall we? |
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| 15:27.54 | greycat | !nmg |
| 15:27.54 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 15:27.56 | neglesaks | "Changelog for libavutil54 is not (yet) available (404 Not Found [IP: 1blih blah])" |
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| 15:29.08 | al3xv3gas | chekcing it out at the moment |
| 15:29.12 | al3xv3gas | thanks |
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| 15:30.40 | r3 | !nicometer test |
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| 15:31.00 | r3 | that's just not at all what or where I wanted to put that, sorry. |
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| 15:31.34 | greycat | !nickometer r3 |
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| 15:31.36 | dpkg | 'r3' is 22.000% lame, greycat |
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| 15:32.01 | r3 | !nickometer greycat |
| 15:32.03 | dpkg | 'greycat' is 0.000% lame, r3 |
| 15:32.09 | r3 | awww - bias!!! |
| 15:32.14 | r3 | !nickometer al3xv3gas |
| 15:32.15 | dpkg | 'al3xv3gas' is 37.000% lame, r3 |
| 15:32.16 | al3xv3gas | ok this is too much to read |
| 15:32.20 | al3xv3gas | im out |
| 15:32.23 | al3xv3gas | exit |
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| 15:33.01 | r3 | I wonder why people think that a debian package is like zipping something up |
| 15:33.05 | jhutchins | If it's too much to read, just imagine what it's like to actually do it! |
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| 15:33.15 | jorb | hmm.. debian 7 still has python 2.7.3. whats the best course of action for getting at least 2.7.9 (obviously upgrading to 8 would be the best approach) |
| 15:33.23 | neglesaks | i have people to read the man pages for me |
| 15:33.24 | jorb | but without being able to upgrade, any advice? |
| 15:33.42 | greycat | ,v python2.7 |
| 15:33.43 | judd | Package: python2.7 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-6+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.7.3-6+deb7u3; jessie: 2.7.9-2+deb8u1; sid: 2.7.12-3; stretch: 2.7.12-3 |
| 15:34.00 | greycat | No backports... |
| 15:34.22 | jhutchins | Looks like a moving target. |
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| 15:35.01 | vvuja | !nickometer vvuja |
| 15:35.03 | dpkg | 'vvuja' is 0.000% lame, vvuja |
| 15:35.08 | vvuja | nice |
| 15:35.44 | greycat | I don't know what heuristics it uses. Probably ratio of letters to non-letters or something. |
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| 15:36.51 | Iridos | it uses something stupid |
| 15:36.56 | r3 | yeah, I think it is, last time I looked at bot code. Of course, really any ratio is going to screw nicks with just 2 characters ;) |
| 15:37.04 | vvuja | !nickometer vv |
| 15:37.05 | dpkg | 'vv' is 0.000% lame, vvuja |
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| 15:37.18 | vvuja | !nickometer db |
| 15:37.19 | r3 | stick a number in there and it will become lame |
| 15:37.19 | dpkg | 'db' is 0.000% lame, vvuja |
| 15:37.25 | vvuja | !nickometer v1 |
| 15:37.26 | dpkg | 'v1' is 22.000% lame, vvuja |
| 15:37.28 | r3 | I am really sorry I started this. |
| 15:37.29 | vvuja | yes |
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| 15:37.51 | vvuja | nope we are having fun |
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| 15:38.05 | jelly-home | !botabuse |
| 15:38.05 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 15:41.00 | nettly | hi again |
| 15:42.02 | nettly | So I need a simple + practical way: I got a local repo with some backported packages - now in the official backports repo, there also can appear packages with higher versions than those in the local repo. But I need the packages from the local repo because they have been built differently. How can I force apt to prefer the packages from local repo |
| 15:42.02 | nettly | - even if their version is older? So I can do upgrade and dist-upgrade without breaking something? |
| 15:42.07 | nettly | So I need a simple + practical way: I got a local repo with some backported packages - now in the official backports repo, there also can appear packages with higher versions than those in the local repo. But I need the packages from the local repo because they have been built differently. How can I force apt to prefer the packages from local repo |
| 15:42.07 | nettly | - even if their version is older? So I can do upgrade and dist-upgrade without breaking something? |
| 15:42.16 | fearnothing | where does one configure a HTTP/HTTPS proxy? |
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| 15:42.36 | debbly | So I need a simple + practical way: I got a local repo with some backported packages - now in the official backports repo, there also can appear packages with higher versions than those in the local repo. But I need the packages from the local repo because they have been built differently. How can I force apt to prefer the packages from local repo |
| 15:42.36 | debbly | - even if their version is older? So I can do upgrade and dist-upgrade without breaking something? |
| 15:43.05 | Iridos | fearnothing, depends on the proxy? |
| 15:43.12 | fearnothing | squid3 |
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| 15:43.39 | fearnothing | proxy server is working, I can specify it manually and curl/wget will happily go through it |
| 15:43.47 | fearnothing | how do I make things default to using it? |
| 15:43.52 | Iridos | /etc/squid3/ |
| 15:43.58 | greycat | debhlp: bump their versions |
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| 15:44.16 | greycat | gah. debbly left. |
| 15:44.18 | Iridos | making stuff use it isn't the same as configuring it |
| 15:44.18 | fearnothing | Iridos - squid's not running locally |
| 15:44.33 | fearnothing | sorry I meant configure my system to go via the proxy |
| 15:44.39 | fearnothing | bad wording |
| 15:45.17 | greycat | fearnothing: there is no universal http proxy mechanism in Linux, or in Debian. There are environment variables that some programs use. Other programs use their own internal configs only. |
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| 15:45.53 | fearnothing | greycat - fair enough |
| 15:46.02 | greycat | fearnothing: if you *really* need *every* HTTP request to go through the proxy, then you're looking at iptables (or some other kernel level firewalling) and an appropriately configured proxy |
| 15:46.28 | fearnothing | greycat - thanks, that's a pretty succinct explanation :) |
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| 15:46.44 | fearnothing | is there any reason such a thing doesn't exist? |
| 15:46.49 | Iridos | the proxy environment variable(s) can often be set via the desktop environment⦠how exactly depends on the DE |
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| 15:46.53 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ grep chrome .fvwm/.fvwm2rc |
| 15:46.53 | greycat | + "&4. Chrome 9999" Exec exec /usr/bin/google-chrome --proxy-server=socks://localhost:9999 |
| 15:46.56 | greycat | + "&5. Chrome 9998" Exec exec /usr/bin/google-chrome --proxy-server=socks://localhost:9998 |
| 15:47.02 | fearnothing | Iridos - I'm using cli only |
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| 15:47.59 | greycat | google-chrome is one of the worst offenders in the proxying game. Not only do they not use http_proxy variables, but they don't even have a GUI to configure it. The ONLY WAY is with those command line switches. And that also means I can't switch tunnels on the fly. Hence the two different WM lines. |
| 15:48.18 | fearnothing | I guess I just expected that there would be a system level proxy setting that tools could override if necessary |
| 15:48.25 | greycat | Nope. Every program is a kingdom. |
| 15:48.46 | fearnothing | sigh |
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| 15:49.02 | greycat | Getting all of the unix programs to do something in a consistent way is like herding cats. Or kings. |
| 15:49.06 | fearnothing | and people wonder why getting wider adoption is so hard |
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| 15:50.49 | jelly-home | greycat: there are extensions to work around chrome's proxy setup, I use https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/proxy-switchyomega/padekgcemlokbadohgkifijomclgjgif?hl=en |
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| 15:51.49 | greycat | I'm content with the solution I already have. Any URL with "store" in it is inherently frightening, and I don't think Google understands this at all. |
| 15:51.52 | jelly-home | two click switch to a different one, domain/url specific etc |
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| 15:52.18 | jelly-home | I think it's open sauce, and it also costs $0 |
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| 15:57.20 | Voyager82 | Hello. My laptop is a HP 6735s laptop, provided with a Radeon HD 3200 video card. Since I installed Debian Linux (namely Jessie) on it, the "backlight" of my screen is very low, as if in windows AC power were removed. How can I solve the problem? |
| 15:58.31 | fearnothing | greycat - for APT I've created a conf file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80proxyconf which works on one of my VMs |
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| 15:58.50 | fearnothing | but on the proxy host, it can't seem to use itself as the proxy server |
| 15:59.25 | greycat | apt uses the http_proxy variables, but these get clobbered by sudo, so they don't work very well in practice. apt also uses its own internal configs for setting an HTTP proxy. |
| 15:59.26 | Iridos | greycat, you can change the proxy in chromium via the guy⦠and there's also an addon that allows to switch proxies with one click |
| 15:59.36 | fearnothing | if I do curl -x http://localhost:3128 it's fine with that |
| 15:59.57 | fearnothing | but Apt can't connect, just gets a bunch of 500 internal server errors |
| 16:00.07 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 16:00.13 | greycat | Acquire::http::Proxy "http://imadev.eeg.ccf.org:3128/"; |
| 16:00.13 | Maxxe` | 500, thats nun. |
| 16:00.14 | ipx | anyone using the grsec kernels? |
| 16:00.18 | Iridos | greycat, ah, jelly already said⦠and I'm using https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/proxy-switchysharp/dpplabbmogkhghncfbfdeeokoefdjegm |
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| 16:02.50 | jelly-home | Iridos: sadly that extension does not work for apt |
| 16:03.03 | showaz | Rsync patch lz4, block-device, iolimit, transfer progress output to fifo-file http://pastebin.com/RPGkZbPV |
| 16:03.20 | jelly-home | and it's two clicks |
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| 16:03.34 | jelly-home | or zero clicks if you tell it to autoswitch |
| 16:04.36 | jelly-home | (and switchyomega is a successor to switchysharp, of sorts) |
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| 16:05.25 | jelly-home | (note the last update time) |
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| 16:06.00 | Finalfire | Hello there! May I ask for a help here? |
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| 16:06.17 | jelly-home | Finalfire: if you're using Debian, sure |
| 16:06.20 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 16:06.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:06.50 | Finalfire | Oh, thank you! |
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| 16:07.55 | Finalfire | I'm on a computer A; from A I can access via SSH a server X (using Debian). The server X has KVM installed and a virtual machine running inside it called D. D is a Debian distribution and contains an Apache Tomcat running. I'd like access the Apache Server from X without entering inside D and, whether is possible, to access the Apache Server from A. Is that possible? |
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| 16:09.57 | jelly-home | Finalfire: if you set up the VM to use a bridged network, and provide it a (public?) IP address next to the one X uses (in the same segment), you should be able to access D the same way you access X |
| 16:10.01 | bigterd | alsactrl init shows Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC888", addedd myself to audio group, but gnome sound settings shows zero avqaiable outpout devices/ drivers? |
| 16:10.04 | bigterd | ideas? |
| 16:10.05 | toruvinn | Finalfire, sounds like that's about your kvm configuration, which is not allowing connections from outside(?) |
| 16:10.21 | greycat | Finalfire: If X (the host) has a program listening on port P1 and D (the guest) has a program listening on port P2, you just connect to port P1 or P2 to hit the right program. |
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| 16:10.49 | bigterd | oh, lots of modules loaded in kernel too, so i don't think it's a module issue |
| 16:11.00 | jelly-home | it's a matter of kvm and D networking and possibly tomcat config |
| 16:11.37 | arvind | After installing debian jessie, what can one do to tune the system for a desktop? I have read about setting vm.swappiness = 10 in sysctl.conf as the default value is more geared for servers. What else can be done? |
| 16:11.51 | L72g5sSq | Morning everyone. |
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| 16:13.06 | jelly-home | arvind: it depends on what kind of bottleneck or performance issues you see in real life |
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| 16:13.21 | cast | arvind: the defaults are fine, take action when you encounter a problem |
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| 16:13.55 | Finalfire | Oh, ok, I try to ping it. Let' see if I can reach it |
| 16:14.06 | L72g5sSq | I've been learning debian packaging to bundle my own app and I'm starting to realize config files should go in /etc, log files go in /var/log, etc. instead of having them all in one location. During development do most people follow the file hierarchy standard? |
| 16:14.36 | missmbob | L72g5sSq: yes. especially if you want it to ever be included |
| 16:14.51 | fearnothing | is anyone able to comment on why APT might not be able to proxy through a locally-running squid3 proxy? |
| 16:15.01 | L72g5sSq | Okay. What location do people normally put their git repositories? |
| 16:15.07 | L72g5sSq | (for development) |
| 16:15.13 | missmbob | L72g5sSq: ~/ |
| 16:15.22 | cast | L72g5sSq: you should probably read the debian new maintainers guide fwiw |
| 16:15.28 | jelly-home | fearnothing: misconfigured squid? does wget work? |
| 16:15.42 | L72g5sSq | cast: Went through it, fantastically well written |
| 16:15.56 | missmbob | L72g5sSq: did you join the irc channel? |
| 16:16.34 | fearnothing | curl works via the proxy |
| 16:16.36 | fearnothing | so does wget |
| 16:16.40 | arvind | jelly-home / cast one problem I encountered is that when i hit youtube and is stream videos the playback is off i.e voice spoken with visual mouth movement : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q1rhtrRpDQ |
| 16:16.47 | fearnothing | other hosts can run APT through the proxy |
| 16:16.49 | fearnothing | just not this one |
| 16:17.07 | troffasky | you'll have to give us an actual error message, i think |
| 16:17.11 | jelly-home | fearnothing: and it can access an URL from the same debian mirror configured in sources.list? |
| 16:17.19 | L72g5sSq | missmbob: What's the channel? |
| 16:17.26 | fearnothing | I think they're configured to use the same mirror |
| 16:17.28 | fearnothing | let me just check |
| 16:17.35 | missmbob | !mentors |
| 16:17.35 | dpkg | [mentors] the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 16:17.42 | L72g5sSq | Thanks |
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| 16:18.12 | jelly-home | arvind: ouch. Which browser? |
| 16:18.14 | fearnothing | hmm, no they're not |
| 16:18.18 | cast | awesome :)/w 2 |
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| 16:18.23 | cast | ...ignore me. |
| 16:18.25 | arvind | jelly-home, chrome and firefox |
| 16:18.26 | fearnothing | one is running off melbourne.ac.uk, the other debian.man.ac.uk |
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| 16:18.34 | fearnothing | where do I set the mirror? |
| 16:18.53 | arvind | jelly-home, i did not install pepper flash or anything similar. Flash is from chrome and fierfox html5 i guess |
| 16:19.02 | jelly-home | fearnothing: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:19.24 | jelly-home | arvind: chrome usually uses html5 by default these days, too |
| 16:19.40 | jelly-home | and it embeds pepper flash, |
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| 16:20.45 | L72g5sSq | missmbob: That channels seems to be for mentors; it's invite-only |
| 16:21.06 | missmbob | L72g5sSq: you didn't read it all. it's on OFTC not freenode |
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| 16:22.19 | fearnothing | ok I've now set them both identically |
| 16:22.22 | fearnothing | still failing |
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| 16:23.43 | arvind | jelly-home, what can I do about this? |
| 16:23.51 | arvind | jelly-home, how is it on your end? |
| 16:24.17 | jelly-home | it mostly just works in chrome, haven't used firefox for youtubes in a while |
| 16:24.39 | arvind | jelly-home, do you have the audio sync problems ? |
| 16:24.52 | jelly-home | arvind: which DE are you using, is pulseaudio running and started before the browsers? |
| 16:25.53 | arvind | jelly-home, xfce. 3gb of mem. Radeon hd 5450. yes as far as i know it is, pulseaudio is isntalled by default right? |
| 16:26.33 | monsune | would someone please help me with python hell? i'm trying to run 3.3 on wheezy |
| 16:26.50 | fearnothing | just set up an ubuntu one to use the proxy too, and it does that just fine |
| 16:26.57 | greycat | monsune: get upstream python 3.3 source tarball. Build. Install. Run. |
| 16:27.18 | fearnothing | it's only the debian one that is actually running the proxy that can't use it |
| 16:27.32 | monsune | greycat thank you and that's what i did but the app is still spitting up errors about some issues in 3.2 so it doesn't really use that 3.3 that i compiled |
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| 16:28.14 | jelly-home | arvind: I don't know whether it's installed by default for xfce or not, nor do I know if it's autostarted by default, sorry |
| 16:28.20 | monsune | greycat i even tried with virtual env for python and same, i totally don't get it |
| 16:28.47 | greycat | monsune: you used #!/usr/local/bin/python3.3 as the shebang and it didn't work? Or... what? |
| 16:28.55 | arvind | jelly-home, well if it makes a difference, the audio works fine when i play videos on vlc from my hd, only the browsing with youtube streaming videos suck |
| 16:29.17 | monsune | greycat it is more like the python app that i'm trying to run is still accessing old python instead of 3.3 |
| 16:29.52 | greycat | monsune: if some program outside your control is just running "python" instead of "python3.3" then you may have to play with PATH. |
| 16:29.54 | jelly-home | arvind: as a temporary solution, you can enable jessie-backports, install youtube-dl from jessie-backports, install mpv, open yt links with mpv |
| 16:29.55 | monsune | greycat stuff like: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.2/dist-packages/acdcli/api/client.py", line 5, in <module> |
| 16:29.55 | monsune | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:30.57 | arvind | jelly-home, does youtube-dl work on streaming videos. Streaming videos ... found out that youtube had videos streaming 24/7. Yeah like watching an endless movie withouth reloading another video |
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| 16:32.28 | jelly-home | arvind: your link opens with mpv, but I only tested on stretch not jessie |
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| 16:32.59 | jelly-home | but really family guy doesn't really have a lot of "lip synch" |
| 16:33.08 | jelly-home | or lips on characters |
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| 16:33.45 | arvind | jelly-home, what do you mean with mpv? I have not heared of that abbreviation |
| 16:34.17 | monsune | greycat i already tried to play with PATH and still the same crap |
| 16:35.02 | jelly-home | arvind: it's a media player, like vlc |
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| 16:35.40 | jelly-home | vlc fails rather miserably playing that link, here |
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| 16:36.19 | neglesaks | anyone here have ClamAV working properly on their debian? |
| 16:36.30 | jelly-home | properly? |
| 16:37.07 | monsune | i will just wipe the damn box... can't take it this python shit anymore |
| 16:37.10 | arvind | jelly-home, i am using smplayer and it seems to work not to see if it is different with the lip hampering |
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| 16:37.38 | monsune | which means that i will also stop using debian :/ |
| 16:38.08 | jelly-home | monsune: eh, use the tools that actually work. If debian isn't a good fit for your needs, use something else |
| 16:38.28 | monsune | jelly-home wheeze has too old python and that caused alot of trouble |
| 16:38.35 | monsune | all i want is newer python |
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| 16:38.39 | jelly-home | wheezy is also oldstable |
| 16:39.02 | jelly-home | the previous release, not the current one |
| 16:39.07 | monsune | i do know that |
| 16:39.30 | monsune | one of the machines needs a few TB moved away before i can install jessie there |
| 16:40.00 | jelly-home | debian has working in-place release upgrades. |
| 16:40.07 | monsune | all i want is a little newer python, wouldn't even expect that this could be so hard to do |
| 16:40.41 | arvind | jelly-home, okay the smplayer is out of sync to ... but it is not the browsers fault or app fault. I tired on a win 8 installation with crhome and the same hampering out of sync was happening |
| 16:41.10 | neglesaks | yes, the Tk frontend is installed , and I believe i have the base package in place as well |
| 16:41.44 | jelly-home | the machine I'm writing from has been installed in 2001 |
| 16:41.45 | jelly-home | it went thru 6-7 release upgrades and 4-5 hardware upgrades |
| 16:41.47 | jelly-home | and it's still the same system :-) |
| 16:42.47 | arvind | jelly-home, how do you experience ubuntu as a desktop system? Curious |
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| 16:44.48 | jelly-home | I don't have an opinion of ubuntu as desktop really, usually I run debian. Only my laptop has ubuntu and I don't use it very often |
| 16:45.12 | neglesaks | any attempt to do anything wiht clamtk does pretty much nothing when it comes to either scanning or updating |
| 16:45.36 | neglesaks | i feel im missing a package, but i have no indivation which one it is |
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| 16:46.05 | jelly-home | what's clamtk? |
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| 16:46.31 | jelly-home | neglesaks: if you run "clamscan ./eicar.com", on a copy of eicar, does it detect? |
| 16:46.55 | neglesaks | one moment. |
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| 16:47.47 | neglesaks | LibClamAV Error: cli_loaddbdir(): No supported database files found in /var/lib/clamav |
| 16:47.47 | neglesaks | ERROR: Can't open file or directory |
| 16:48.10 | neglesaks | so no av db... |
| 16:48.28 | jelly-home | neglesaks: verify clamav-freshclam is installed and up-to-date |
| 16:49.08 | jelly-home | judd: file /var/lib/clamav |
| 16:49.27 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 16:49.42 | neglesaks | packages lists that pkg as installed |
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| 16:51.44 | jelly-home | neglesaks: which version? |
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| 16:56.02 | neglesaks | jelly-home, 0.99.2 deb8u2 |
| 16:56.27 | jelly-home | that doesn't look right |
| 16:56.33 | jelly-home | ,v clamav-freshclam |
| 16:56.34 | judd | Package: clamav-freshclam on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.99+dfsg-0+deb7u2; jessie-updates: 0.99+dfsg-0+deb8u2; wheezy-security: 0.99.2+dfsg-0+deb7u2; jessie: 0.99.2+dfsg-0+deb8u2; stretch: 0.99.2+dfsg-3; sid: 0.99.2+dfsg-4 |
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| 16:57.06 | jelly-home | neglesaks: 0.99.2+dfsg-0+deb8u2 ? |
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| 16:59.12 | jelly-home | neglesaks: look at /var/log/clamav/freshclam.log if it exists for clues. |
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| 17:03.12 | neglesaks | yes. that one. yes, log is present and notes failure to fetch main.cvd from database.clamav.net |
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| 17:03.56 | neglesaks | and it has an entry for every 5 seconds while i had the TKfronten running |
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| 17:06.03 | neglesaks | jelly-home, i can do a paste of it for you, though not much apart from that is in the log |
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| 17:06.09 | debbly | hi |
| 17:06.12 | neglesaks | ill be afk for a while |
| 17:06.20 | debbly | So I try to apt-get the sources of a package - I tried this but it seems to fail :O |
| 17:06.29 | debbly | apt-get source -t wheezy-backports squid3 |
| 17:06.33 | jelly-home | neglesaks: sure |
| 17:06.38 | debbly | what me wonders is that I added it to apt sources.list |
| 17:06.44 | debbly | and apt-get update'd it, too |
| 17:07.00 | debbly | E: The value 'wheezy-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 17:07.13 | debbly | deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 17:07.15 | debbly | what is missing? |
| 17:08.38 | jelly-home | neglesaks: verify you can look up database.clamav.net and access, dunno, http://database.clamav.net |
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| 17:09.39 | jelly-home | debbly: forgot to run apt-get update? |
| 17:10.03 | crayon | how can i run chromium as root? |
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| 17:10.44 | greycat | Don't. |
| 17:10.51 | jelly-home | crayon: you probably shouldn't run a web browser as root. What are you trying to solve that requires running it as root? |
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| 17:11.11 | debbly | ohh |
| 17:11.21 | debbly | the source url seems to be incorrect, the hostname canot be found |
| 17:11.30 | debbly | it seems that there is outdated documentation about this |
| 17:11.48 | jelly-home | debbly: http.debian.net has been renamed to httpredir.debian.org |
| 17:11.55 | greycat | It should be exactly the same as your "deb" line for the same source, just with deb-src. |
| 17:12.02 | crayon | jelly-home, its in a controlled env and root is the only user avail on this box |
| 17:12.15 | greycat | crayon: man adduser |
| 17:12.17 | jelly-home | crayon: make a non-root user |
| 17:12.33 | crayon | i get it, internet facing root web sockets etc |
| 17:12.41 | polemic | I'd be interested to know how long you could run a web browser as root before you get exploited. But don't do it. |
| 17:12.42 | crayon | adding user not an option |
| 17:12.49 | jelly-home | then you're SOL |
| 17:13.01 | polemic | how can you have root access but no user? |
| 17:13.03 | polemic | not add user? |
| 17:13.09 | greycat | polemic: Imaginary problems. |
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| 17:13.19 | jelly-home | crappy embedded system that isn't really debian any more |
| 17:13.23 | greycat | They are always the hardest ones to solve. |
| 17:13.49 | polemic | really? |
| 17:13.58 | polemic | Why do you think it's imaginary, did I miss something? |
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| 17:14.54 | greycat | Because if the system *actually* cannot function if he adds a line to /etc/passwd then it's no longer Debian. |
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| 17:15.26 | debbly | How can I find out the package version of an installed package? |
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| 17:15.35 | greycat | debbly: dpkg -l [pkgname] |
| 17:15.36 | debbly | dpkg --get-selections would only show me the package names - but not their versions |
| 17:15.36 | dpkg | selects debbly's ultra-s3kr3t collection |
| 17:15.40 | greenit | hi, i just installed bumblebee with the nvidia-proprietary driver on my notebook (i7 skylake and nvidia gtx970m) and now it doesn't boot anymore... can anyone help me? |
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| 17:17.12 | polemic | press ctrl + alt + f2? |
| 17:17.22 | polemic | should bring up a terminal and you can uninstall it |
| 17:17.30 | polemic | or whatever |
| 17:17.50 | polemic | that's if it's just a gui problem, otherwise you'll need to fiddle at the boot menu, I think |
| 17:17.59 | greenit | polemic, nope, doesn't work, the screen freezes |
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| 17:19.39 | greenit | polemic, systemd.mask=bumblebeed.service worked for my system to boot normally again... however, i'd like to have bumblebee enabled |
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| 17:19.52 | greenit | or fully switch to the discrete gpu |
| 17:19.54 | greenit | do you know how? |
| 17:20.07 | polemic | sorry, greenit, that's beyond me |
| 17:21.50 | jelly-home | greenit: I _think_ you can't fully switch to the discrete gpu because such setups are hardwired to have intel connected to the physical output ports |
| 17:22.48 | gasull | ruby-nokogiri is installed. |
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| 17:23.08 | greenit | jelly-home, oh, ok... do you know how i have to configure bumblebee to work as intended (i.e. don't freeze the system) then? |
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| 17:26.48 | jelly-home | nope, sorry |
| 17:28.56 | babilen | greenit: fwiw, there's #bumblebee |
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| 17:30.21 | babilen | I intentionally try to not buy any optimus hardware |
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| 17:34.03 | jelly-home | babilen: that seems to be the sanest bet if one wants to run linux |
| 17:34.11 | greenit | babilen, yeah, i've already asked there, thanks for the info :) |
| 17:34.14 | gasull | Solved it installing ruby-nokogiri from sid. |
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| 17:39.29 | jmcnaught | greenit: did you try the bumblebee packages from jessie-backports? |
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| 17:44.55 | gasull | Trying to use vagrant on Debian stable I get and unsolvable dependency: http://pastebin.com/LHZ8JkuH |
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| 17:46.15 | gasull | I guess I can get it from oldstable |
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| 17:46.33 | jmcnaught | gasull: did you just say above that you installed a package from unstable on your stable system? |
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| 17:48.05 | jmcnaught | gasull: also re: your pastebin, are you trying to use a mix of Debian installed ruby packages, and ruby gemfiles? |
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| 17:50.11 | gasull | Yes to the first question, no to the second one. |
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| 17:50.46 | gasull | jmcnaught: ^ |
| 17:51.16 | jmcnaught | gasull: you really should not be mixing stable and unstable: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 17:52.00 | jmcnaught | gasull: are you using the vagrant 1.6.5+dfsg1-2 from jessie? |
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| 17:52.19 | gasull | jmcnaught: What's the alternative? |
| 17:52.47 | jmcnaught | gasull: alternative to what? |
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| 17:54.05 | gasull | jmcnaught: Alternative to installing a package from unstable. |
| 17:54.41 | gasull | jmcnaught: I need vagrant, so I'd rather use apt pinning and have a few packages from unstable than not having vagrant. |
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| 17:55.32 | jmcnaught | gasull: what is wrong with the package from jessie? |
| 17:56.07 | jmcnaught | gasull: the alternative to installing packages from unstable is to backport them properly, or you can try to use gem2deb (or whatever it's called) |
| 17:56.09 | jelly-home | gasull: sadly pinning often doesn't prevent pulling _all_ the needed dependencies and messing up your install of "stable", so be very careful what apt plans to do when using such a setup |
| 17:56.15 | gasull | jmcnaught: See my pastebin: http://pastebin.com/LHZ8JkuH |
| 17:56.43 | gasull | jelly-home: I use negative pinning. Solves the problem. |
| 17:57.01 | greycat | And the *other* other alternative is simply to use the stable package. |
| 17:57.25 | gasull | greycat: The stable package is broken and doesn't work. See my pastebin. |
| 17:57.44 | jelly-home | his paste did, apparently show existence of package from stable did not satisfy the tool |
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| 17:58.14 | greycat | Oh, so "doesn't work" in this case means "has the wrong color shirt on, so the bouncer won't let it into the club" |
| 17:58.22 | jelly-home | (I'm not sure how is 1.9.something not >= than 1.0.11, but I'm clueless about ruby) |
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| 17:59.01 | gasull | jelly-home: It says ffi (>= 1.0.11, ~> 1.0). So it has to be in the 1.0 range. |
| 17:59.22 | jelly-home | gasull: but neither 1.9.10 not 1.9.6 are. |
| 17:59.27 | jelly-home | nor* |
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| 18:00.27 | gasull | jelly-home: yes, so for vagrant to work I need to install ruby-ffi from oldstable. |
| 18:00.29 | jelly-home | or both are, if that means " 1.0.11 <= x <= 2.0.11 " |
| 18:00.49 | greycat | ,v ruby-ffi |
| 18:00.50 | judd | Package: ruby-ffi on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.11debian-5; jessie: 1.9.6debian-2; sid: 1.9.10debian-1+b2; stretch: 1.9.10debian-1+b2 |
| 18:01.02 | jelly-home | ,v ruby-nokogiri |
| 18:01.03 | judd | Package: ruby-nokogiri on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.5-1; jessie: 1.6.3.1+ds-1; stretch: 1.6.8-2; sid: 1.6.8-2 |
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| 18:01.13 | greycat | Installing *OLD* packages is typically fine. It usually doesn't break stuff. |
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| 18:01.36 | jelly-home | gasull: eh... if that helped, could you please file a bug against vagrant in jessie |
| 18:01.41 | greycat | Installing *NEW* packages makes your keyboard start to bleed. |
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| 18:02.26 | jelly-home | as long as they're not suggesting it to any less clueful user, I'm happy with this |
| 18:02.39 | gasull | I get the same vagrant error after installing ruby-ffi from oldstable. |
| 18:03.11 | greycat | 14:00 gasull> jelly-home: yes, so for vagrant to work I need to install ruby-ffi from oldstable. |
| 18:03.26 | greycat | So it works. So it doesn't work. Um... what? |
| 18:03.44 | gasull | greycat: that is what the error said I had to do, but it doesn't work. |
| 18:04.19 | greycat | So you're saying that *neither one* works? |
| 18:04.27 | gasull | greycat: so far |
| 18:04.32 | jelly-home | are you sure ffi (>= 1.0.11, ~> 1.0) means what you think it means? |
| 18:04.42 | gasull | jelly-home: nope |
| 18:04.49 | greycat | I don't know ruby either. |
| 18:04.54 | gasull | jelly-home: it was my guess |
| 18:05.06 | jmcnaught | i don't use vagrant, but i'm pretty surprised this bug would exist in jessie this far after release. I suspect local gems are mixing things up |
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| 18:06.46 | jelly-home | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3414337/meaning-of-tilde-greater-than-in-version-requirement |
| 18:06.50 | gasull | jmcnaught: I don't use ruby for anything. |
| 18:06.59 | styler2go | hi, i have very poor wifi quality but my client is only 3-4 metres away from my router. can someone help me what i can do? |
| 18:07.48 | styler2go | iwconfig says this: https://p.styler2go.de/6458130/ wavemon looks as follows: https://p.styler2go.de/2672425/ |
| 18:08.14 | teraflops | styler2go: I'd go first by switching the channel in the AP/Router |
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| 18:09.58 | jelly-home | gasull: Works For Meâ¢, http://paste.debian.net/865766/ Can you compare the versions installed? |
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| 18:10.48 | styler2go | teraflops: i selected the best suitable channel i could find. see this: https://p.styler2go.de/2034912/ (mine is the red one) |
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| 18:12.14 | jmcnaught | gasull: did you run an rake, bundler, or gem commands at some point? |
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| 18:14.08 | gasull | jmcnaught: I did yesterday trying to fix it. |
| 18:14.19 | gasull | jmcnaught: that might be it. |
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| 18:14.40 | jmcnaught | it may have compounded the issue, it sounds like you've got packages & gems from all over the place |
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| 18:19.36 | jmcnaught | gasull: do you have files in the subdirectories of /var/lib/gems? |
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| 18:20.13 | gasull | jmcnaught: yes |
| 18:20.29 | gasull | jmcnaught: Aparently I have mini_portile2-2.1.0 and nokogiri-1.6.8.1 there. |
| 18:20.41 | gasull | jmcnaught: in /var/lib/gems/2.3.0/gems |
| 18:21.02 | gasull | jmcnaught: /var/lib/gems/ only has 2.3.0/ |
| 18:21.12 | gasull | jmcnaught: How can I remove it safely? |
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| 18:21.47 | jmcnaught | gasull: Debian packages don't put gems there.. it's where "sudo gem install ..." puts gems. Also jessie doesn't have ruby2.3, it has ruby2.1 |
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| 18:22.40 | jmcnaught | gasull: bundler/gem/rake if run as non-root may also put gems in ~ or in a $PWD/.vendor directory |
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| 18:23.44 | gasull | jmcnaught: thanks. I'll run gem cleanup --dryrun, then gem cleanup, with sudo |
| 18:23.50 | gasull | jmcnaught: both with sudo |
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| 18:24.27 | jmcnaught | gasull: you may have other problems lurking in your ruby-studded frankendebian monster :) |
| 18:25.22 | gasull | jmcnaught: I don't think I'm using ruby for anything else, and I don't like to have ruby or python packages that don't come from Debian. |
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| 18:28.07 | jmcnaught | gasull: for python there are virtualenvs, for ruby i've used an option for rake or bundler that put gems in the local project (not system wide) but i'd have to look up the syntax |
| 18:28.38 | gasull | jmcnaught: yes, that's what I meant. I use virtualenvs for Python. I don't use Ruby. |
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| 18:31.11 | `Kevin | ^ bundle install --path vendor/bundle |
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| 18:31.56 | jmcnaught | `Kevin: yeah that's it |
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| 18:32.59 | jmcnaught | anyways, that shouldn't be necessary at all to run ruby software packaged for Debian like vagrant. The Debian vagrant package should get everything it needs from other Debian packages |
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| 18:40.59 | debbly | invalid Format field `3.0 (quilt) |
| 18:41.00 | debbly | why? |
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| 18:44.39 | gasull | jmcnaught: Even after aptitude purge ruby I still have packages in /var/lib/gems/ |
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| 18:46.27 | jmcnaught | gasull: that's because apt/dpkg do not put gems in that directory, so they don't know about them |
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| 18:46.47 | jmcnaught | gasull: it sounds like you also had a newer version of ruby than what's available for jessie |
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| 18:47.46 | styler2go | How can i find out which mainboard i have? |
| 18:48.18 | unborn | heh |
| 18:48.29 | gasull | jmcnaught: I had ruby from unstable, but I aptitude-purged it |
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| 18:48.57 | gasull | $ ruby |
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| 18:48.58 | gasull | bash: ruby: command not found |
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| 18:50.54 | debbly | gasull: which ruby |
| 18:50.57 | debbly | I mean that as command |
| 18:51.01 | debbly | which is a command |
| 18:51.22 | gasull | jmcnaught, debbly: I see. I had to aptitude-purge gems-integration |
| 18:51.34 | gasull | I mean rubygems-integration |
| 18:51.37 | greycat | "bash: ruby: command not found" means which won't find it either. |
| 18:52.47 | debbly | hm |
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| 19:02.12 | gasull | I have to go now. Thanks everyone for your help. |
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| 19:10.58 | ytrezq | Hello, which is the package which contains Googleâs native client sdkâ¯? |
| 19:11.01 | fearnothing | ok, let's give this another shot in case someone who knows the answer has turned up |
| 19:11.31 | fearnothing | APT can't proxy through a squid3 instance running on the same machine - it gets 500 internal server error responses |
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| 19:11.41 | ytrezq | I canât see what I need to install |
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| 19:11.46 | fearnothing | curl and wget on the same box work fine |
| 19:11.57 | fearnothing | APT on another box works fine through that proxy |
| 19:12.04 | fearnothing | it's only APT locally that doesn't |
| 19:12.20 | fearnothing | anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:12.39 | greycat | How did you configure the proxy for curl, for wget, and for apt? Did you find errors in the squid log? |
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| 19:15.12 | fearnothing | curl and wget are configured via /etc/bash.bashrc : export http_proxy |
| 19:15.37 | fearnothing | apt is configured by /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/proxyconf |
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| 19:16.06 | fearnothing | apt on the other boxes which do work via proxy are configured the same way exactly, I just copy-pasted the same line |
| 19:16.06 | apt | fearnothing: that's too long |
| 19:17.14 | fearnothing | the only squid events logged are the 500 errors |
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| 19:18.43 | Brian- | hi guys - can you do upgrade of 6 --> 8 safely or do you need to do 6,7,8 ? |
| 19:19.02 | greycat | 6 -> 7 -> 8 |
| 19:19.08 | Brian- | gah :) |
| 19:19.11 | Brian- | thanks greycat |
| 19:19.32 | teraflops | yeah 6 â 7 â 8 is the way to go |
| 19:19.50 | fearnothing | if I tcpdump dst port 80, the APT queries aren't traversing squid |
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| 19:20.35 | fearnothing | when I run apt-get update, nothing comes out the other side |
| 19:20.46 | fearnothing | whereas if I run apt-get update from another host, the queries -do- go through |
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| 19:21.18 | fearnothing | and I see traffic on that tcpdump |
| 19:22.37 | fearnothing | example of squid error: 1476213266.099 0 127.0.0.1 TCP_MISS/500 4071 GET http://debian.man.ac.uk/debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-i386/Packages.lzma - HIER_NONE/- text/html |
| 19:23.06 | greycat | fearnothing: *show* *us* your proxy definition |
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| 19:23.38 | fearnothing | Acquire::http::Proxy "http://127.0.0.1:3128"; |
| 19:24.13 | fearnothing | I've also tried it as http://localhost:3128, http://host.internaldomain.com:3128 |
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| 19:24.24 | fearnothing | same results |
| 19:25.27 | fearnothing | the other (working) servers have it as http://host.internaldomain.com:3128 |
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| 19:26.36 | greycat | Your TCP_MISS line isn't a "squid error", of course. That's a normal squid informational message. |
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| 19:26.48 | Brian- | thanks teraflops |
| 19:27.00 | fearnothing | yeah sorry I mean the HTTP error in squid log |
| 19:27.24 | `Kevin | i dont understand the /500 |
| 19:27.47 | greycat | Ah, hm. I don't either. |
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| 19:28.09 | fearnothing | I've asked in #squid, but nobody seems to be active |
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| 19:28.39 | ilmaisin | hi |
| 19:28.45 | ilmaisin | is nginx broken for jessie? |
| 19:29.00 | ilmaisin | it does not even install for me, claiming dependency problems |
| 19:29.35 | missmbob | ilmaisin: not unless you broke it with third party repos |
| 19:29.39 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell ilmaisin about bat |
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| 19:31.22 | ilmaisin | missmbob: ok, maybe the node.js repo broke it |
| 19:31.41 | missmbob | !tell ilmaisin -about dont break debian |
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| 19:33.34 | fearnothing | by 'don't understand the /500' I presume you mean you don't understand why it's returning that error, as opposed to don't understand what it is |
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| 19:33.45 | [sr] | howdy |
| 19:33.53 | [sr] | how do i start git now with systemctl util? |
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| 19:34.20 | [sr] | 4 years ago when i last configured my git server it was the git-daemon init script (binary in the case) |
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| 19:34.53 | giany | a/j salt |
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| 19:36.07 | ilmaisin | maybe i should use docker if i want to run software that is not very very old? |
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| 19:36.29 | gasull | jmcnaught, greycat, jelly-home: removed vagrant, ruby and gems, reinstalled everything from stable. It works now. Thank you. You guys rock. |
| 19:36.32 | ilmaisin | or not to use debian at all? |
| 19:36.38 | greycat | ilmaisin: Does that mean "I installed unstable crap on jessie"? |
| 19:36.58 | ilmaisin | greycat: does that mean: yes? |
| 19:37.05 | missmbob | ilmaisin: debian isn't meant for shiny new shit |
| 19:37.10 | greycat | Wow. Confrontational troll assholes. |
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| 19:37.42 | greycat | If you want shiny new shit, then by all means use Docker, or use Arch, or whatever floats your boat. Debian stable is not designed to be shiny or new. |
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| 19:37.48 | jmcnaught | [sr]: you can still use the old "service" command. or it's "systemctl start servicename". systemd is backwards compatible with initscripts |
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| 19:38.25 | ilmaisin | okay, so debian is meant for old, buggy and possibly insecure-as-hell shit and people who are stuck in past, goodbye |
| 19:38.35 | [sr] | jmcnaught: thanks, well i installed git, but systemctl start git dosn't work, get an service not found |
| 19:38.42 | greycat | No. It's meant for tried and tested, SECURE software. |
| 19:38.52 | greycat | !security |
| 19:38.52 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
| 19:39.12 | greycat | Bah, I was hoping for something more descriptive. |
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| 19:39.23 | jmcnaught | ilmaisin: maybe i missed it, but did you provide the troubleshooting info that dpkg but messaged you about? |
| 19:39.38 | jmcnaught | or are we just making assumptions based on vague statements? |
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| 19:40.10 | jmcnaught | [sr]: what is the name of the init script? is it listed in "systemctl list-units" ? |
| 19:40.13 | greycat | jmcnaught: when I asked if he installed unstable crap on jessie, he IMMEDIATELY puffed out his quills and assumed a defensive posture. Counterattacked me. |
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| 19:40.38 | jmcnaught | greycat: i meant their assumptions :) |
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| 19:41.16 | ilmaisin | greycat: if you hurl profanities at me, except a massive counterattack |
| 19:41.25 | [sr] | jmcnaught: thing is there's no init script in /etc/init.d, nothing was installed there upon git install |
| 19:41.32 | greycat | 15:36 greycat> ilmaisin: Does that mean "I installed unstable crap on jessie"? |
| 19:41.34 | greycat | 15:36 ilmaisin> greycat: does that mean: yes? |
| 19:41.40 | jmcnaught | if i had to guess, they're using the nodesource.com repos, but we shouldn't guess |
| 19:41.44 | missmbob | horrible, horrible language |
| 19:42.05 | jmcnaught | ,i git-daemon-sysvinit |
| 19:42.06 | judd | Package git-daemon-sysvinit (vcs, extra) in jessie/amd64: fast, scalable, distributed revision control system (git-daemon service). Version: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u2; Size: 564.9k; Installed: 623k; Homepage: http://git-scm.com/ |
| 19:42.11 | jmcnaught | [sr]: ^^ |
| 19:42.31 | [sr] | humm... so i need that extra! |
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| 19:43.10 | fearnothing | didn't realise node.js counted as shiny new shit |
| 19:43.16 | [sr] | jmcnaught: let me see |
| 19:43.39 | missmbob | fearnothing: you still refuse to answer any questions, but want help? |
| 19:43.43 | fearnothing | based on what I've encountered at work, I thought the middle adjective was inaccurate :P |
| 19:43.45 | greycat | fearnothing: Any third party repository is IMMEDIATELY suspect. We have to see it and try to guess whether it's compatible with Debian stable at all. |
| 19:44.11 | greycat | missmbob: ilmaisin is the one not answering. |
| 19:44.18 | missmbob | fearnothing: sorry |
| 19:44.40 | fearnothing | np |
| 19:44.42 | [sr] | jmcnaught: now we're talking! thanks for the help! i needed this new x64 machine to have larger files/memory, etc etc etc, the old one was configured back in 2001 (and git in 2002) |
| 19:45.17 | fearnothing | on the other hand though, although ilmaisin wasn't asking in a terribly civil way, it's pretty easy to de-escalate that kind of thing |
| 19:45.22 | jmcnaught | [sr]: git was created in 2005 :P but i'm glad you got it figured out |
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| 19:45.57 | [sr] | jmcnaught: ya i know, i do linux sysadm for hosting, git isn't just something i configure everyday (only did once in life!) |
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| 19:46.13 | [sr] | getting old and tired for IT |
| 19:46.14 | ilmaisin | that debian's "security support" is nonsense at best, there is no updates for, say, webkit. there is a small print about it in release notes that probably most people in this channel haven't read |
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| 19:46.44 | `Kevin | ilmaisin: whats the problem :) |
| 19:46.56 | fearnothing | people ask questions in passive aggressive ways when they're frustrated, but at least give them a chance to cool out of it before firing broadsides |
| 19:47.02 | jmcnaught | [sr]: i've been using redmine's git hosting plugin, but am thinking about migrating to gitlab if it's packaged for stretch |
| 19:47.02 | greycat | So instead of telling us what node.js repository you added, you will just attack the Debian policy. |
| 19:47.24 | teraflops | `Kevin: the problem is that he's bored |
| 19:47.26 | [sr] | jmcnaught: in my case git is for internal use, not opensource |
| 19:47.31 | `Kevin | teraflops: seems that way |
| 19:48.04 | jmcnaught | [sr]: i'm mostly interested in the easy to manage SSH key access, but whatever works for you |
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| 19:48.31 | jmcnaught | ilmaisin: do you need help gathering the info asked for in dpkg's <bat> factoid? |
| 19:48.44 | [sr] | jmcnaught: sure, thanks again! |
| 19:49.37 | greycat | dpkg, stable security =~ s/jessie-security/jessie security/ |
| 19:49.37 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 19:49.46 | ilmaisin | jmcnaught: what's the point if the reason is practically clear already? |
| 19:49.55 | miomio9090 | hello |
| 19:49.57 | greycat | But that's still not the answer I'm looking for.... |
| 19:50.16 | jmcnaught | ilmaisin: it's not clear, that's why we're asking for more detailed information (to actually try and help you...) |
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| 19:50.27 | miomio9090 | cist prejudice to a friend who can help me |
| 19:50.39 | miomio9090 | cista qualche amico che parla italiano |
| 19:50.42 | jmcnaught | ilmaisin: otherwise maybe you could come back when you're feeling better? |
| 19:50.44 | greycat | !it |
| 19:50.44 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:51.14 | ilmaisin | jmcnaught: maybe, just now i am quite frustrated |
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| 19:52.34 | miomio9090 | tu non puoi non mi risponte nessuno |
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| 19:53.48 | miomio9090 | cist prejudice to a friend who can help me |
| 19:54.11 | missmbob | miomio9090: you were told where to go for help in italian. this channel is for english. |
| 19:55.01 | miomio9090 | ciao |
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| 19:55.07 | miomio9090 | mi serve qiuto |
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| 20:02.13 | miomio9090 | > Mr.Quality (11.10.2016 21:36): 4147202203777055=170920110000021=155364101181200386876=19061013312731=154144101181200373668=18111014928309=15413 5147592904295762=19022010000022300000=93074631588255392527=180910100001878553=8855 5517015856588341=170310112530003100=9390 |
| 20:02.15 | miomio9090 | thats the pin at the end |
| 20:02.47 | greycat | Is that an email? Unparsed? Quoted-printable encoding? |
| 20:04.05 | greycat | dpkg, no, security faq is <reply>"The most important guideline when making a new package that fixes a security problem is to make as few changes as possible. ... moving to a new upstream version is not a good solution, instead the relevant changes should be backported." <https://www.debian.org/security/faq> |
| 20:04.05 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:04.37 | miomio9090 | hi |
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| 20:16.04 | ToHellWithGA | good afternoon. i'm running jessie. i think the current version of irssi in jessie is 0.8.17 per https://packages.debian.org/jessie/net/irssi and the current version in jessie-backports is 0.8.20 per https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/irssi so i'm confused why i don't have 0.8.20 if i have 'deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free' in my sources list. |
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| 20:16.43 | missmbob | ToHellWithGA: because you have to specially tell apt to use backports. apt-get install irssi -t jessie-backports |
| 20:16.59 | ToHellWithGA | oh wow |
| 20:17.22 | ToHellWithGA | missmbob: can i tell it to prefer backports? |
| 20:17.35 | missmbob | ToHellWithGA: that's not smart. and no. |
| 20:17.38 | ToHellWithGA | it's not a super stable production server or anything, so i'd tolerate a little bit of error |
| 20:17.49 | ToHellWithGA | okay. if it's not possible i can accept that |
| 20:18.15 | ilmaisin | jmcnaught: here's the output of those commands http://pastebin.com/uhxXZTR6 |
| 20:18.20 | jmcnaught | ToHellWithGA: the introduction talks about why you should only use select packages frm backports: https://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 20:19.54 | jmcnaught | ilmaisin: what does "systemctl status nginx" say? |
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| 20:20.30 | ToHellWithGA | jmcnaught: i can cherry pick the few i want - the dozen or so packages i installed manually rather than by default as part of the system installation. that'll be fine. |
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| 20:20.36 | ToHellWithGA | thanks for the help you guys |
| 20:21.37 | ilmaisin | jmcnaught: http://pastebin.com/wMavmqYS |
| 20:21.39 | jmcnaught | ilmaisin: it says that nginx is already installed, but when it tries to configure nginx-extras, restarting nginx is failing (probably because of a configuration issue) |
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| 20:22.48 | jmcnaught | ilmaisin: the log entries there were truncated.. if you use "-l" does it say something like 'bind() to 0.0.0.0:80 failed port in use'? |
| 20:22.59 | jmcnaught | ilmaisin: do you have another web server running on port 80, like apache2? |
| 20:23.35 | ilmaisin | jmcnaught: yes, i actually have a server there, thanks! |
| 20:24.40 | jmcnaught | ilmaisin: nice. was that the issue then? |
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| 20:27.08 | ilmaisin | jmcnaught: yes, now it works |
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| 20:34.20 | Brian- | teraflops, greycat 6 -> 7 -> 8 -- 15 minutes |
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| 20:35.03 | teraflops | lucky you |
| 20:35.11 | greycat | You have to have a really small installation for that to take only 15 minutes. Or maybe it's solid state hard drives or something. |
| 20:35.32 | Brian- | ssd + small install (just a monitoring server) |
| 20:35.41 | greycat | ("or both") |
| 20:36.11 | Brian- | I should have time the apt-get s |
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| 21:04.25 | ilmaisin | is there some way to make a non-privileged port privileged, beyond setting up selinux or something? |
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| 21:13.20 | Grizzly | hmm, what is the reason for it? |
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| 21:14.59 | ilmaisin | Grizzly: to prevent unauthorized non-root user from taking over a port from service, there is a thing called portreserve but i am not sure how robust it is |
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| 21:15.17 | arvind | what is the most lazy way there is to build a deb package? |
| 21:15.48 | arvind | (for simple gtk theme and/or icon packs ) |
| 21:16.30 | zykotick9 | arvind: for only-personal use, see checkinstall - very lazy. but NO good for distribution! |
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| 21:18.49 | arvind | zykotick9, is it required to learn bash sripting in order to become a quality packager? |
| 21:19.04 | arvind | I am asking out of curiosity |
| 21:19.24 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell arvind about nmg |
| 21:20.58 | zykotick9 | arvind: sorry, number of programs i've packaged (ie. properly, not checkinstalled) is zero. |
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| 21:21.32 | arvind | lol zykotick9 i was just about to ask you if you where or are a dev |
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| 21:25.19 | zykotick9 | arvind: <sidenote> debconf13 had a talk/video named 1009_Packaging_for_beginners.ogv that might be of interest to you? i haven't watched it, so can't speak to it's quality... but it's one of the few video files i keep around from debconf13 that i hope to one day watch |
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| 21:26.20 | jmcnaught | ilmaisin: do you have untrusted users on your system? |
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| 21:28.21 | arvind | zykotick9, i really want to contribute to this project but I am unable to balance my life properly. Always living in extremes and missing out on other good things. Thank you for the offer. I will keep it in mind though, maybe when I am ready for it I will ask you if you could and are willing to share it //OT |
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| 21:32.12 | zykotick9 | arvind: ;) what i was suggesting, by giving you the title/year was you might search for it, after your answer - i ended up doing it, and found http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2013/debconf13/high/ ;) take care, enjoy debian! |
| 21:32.20 | awal1 | Loves everyday more debian; cleaner code everyday more :) almost 400 mb freed after an update, without removals :P :) |
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| 21:32.56 | arvind | zykotick9, haha, alright, cheers. |
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| 21:36.22 | ilmaisin | jmcnaught: basically yes, since it can't be guranteed that every network-facing application is 100 percent secure, some compartmentalization is needed |
| 21:37.15 | ilmaisin | IMHO it would be really nice if one could just chown ports |
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| 21:41.25 | jmcnaught | ilmaisin: are you using any sort of monitoring or intrusion detection? |
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| 21:42.19 | debbly | hi |
| 21:42.20 | jmcnaught | i think this is a better investment than trying to make some finnicky system of reserving ports if you don't already have them set up |
| 21:42.49 | debbly | So I got a package named 'haproxy' and I want to force apt to install it from a specific repo - prefering a specific repo above all other repos, including the official one - is that possible? :D |
| 21:43.19 | ilmaisin | jmcnaught: not atm, this is a personal server. but aren't such solutions merely reactive, so the bad guys could do the damage before the system can be shut down |
| 21:44.14 | TomTomTosch | debbly: by using the -t <target_release> flag. the installation manual for haproxy you showed earlier had that included. |
| 21:44.54 | debbly | TomTomTosch: true - but for specific/strange reasons I want that when I just run apt-get install haproxy and also when running apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade, that always that repo is preferred |
| 21:44.59 | debbly | not just for that install command |
| 21:45.21 | debbly | I do that because the haproxy puppet scm module doesn't seem to support version yet - also because when upgrdaing this can cause grief. |
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| 21:45.58 | jmcnaught | ilmaisin: they're still important and can alert you when something is wrong. another approach you could try is running your untrusted network applications inside of nspawn or lxc containers, and using apache, nginx, haproxy etc to connect outside ports to the containers |
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| 21:46.54 | TomTomTosch | debbly: that would be pinning and it's not a good idea to pin wheezy-backports-sloppy higher than the wheezy repo. i don't see any benefits and upgrading should also not cause problems with the default configuration. |
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| 21:47.14 | debbly | :( |
| 21:47.15 | debbly | ok |
| 21:47.37 | jmcnaught | debbly: where are you installing haproxy from? it's in jessie-backports. |
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| 21:49.38 | debbly | jmcnaught: there is also wheezy-backports-sloppy - and it is a wheezy system (still) |
| 21:49.48 | ilmaisin | jmcnaught: yes, i'll need to take a look at those things. it looks like i'd need selinux or maybe grsecurity for the thing i would want to do. possibly in the future i'll need to give accounts to other people so i maybe can't 100% trust every unprivileged user |
| 21:50.08 | jmcnaught | debbly: oh that sucks? hopefully you don't spend more time working on this issue than it would take to upgrade to jessie |
| 21:50.16 | debbly | jmcnaught: yes that sucks |
| 21:50.20 | debbly | jmcnaught: but I need that :( |
| 21:50.21 | debbly | damn |
| 21:52.09 | debbly | now the bright side: Because I used wheezy when jessie was already out - the server was unaffected by the heartblead bug :D |
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| 21:54.17 | jmcnaught | debbly: you might be thinking of something else, heartbleed happened a year before jessie was stable |
| 21:54.27 | debbly | hm, ok :P |
| 21:54.59 | jmcnaught | debbly: are you stuck supporting some legacy software that doesn't work on jessie? |
| 21:55.06 | debbly | kinda |
| 21:55.07 | debbly | :/ |
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| 22:04.04 | nicehsz | I have a Debian as guest inside a VirtualBox with a Windows 10 host.. any1 know whether any nested virtualization solutions of any kind will be possible and able to run on this Debian guest... XEN or KVM, or... ? |
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| 22:09.05 | jmcnaught | nicehsz: it depends on hardware support. There's a virt-host-validate command you can run in the Debian guest (from the libvirt-clients package) |
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| 22:09.52 | jmcnaught | you could also use LXC |
| 22:10.01 | `Kevin | VM in a VM :( |
| 22:10.10 | `Kevin | x2 @ LXC or docker |
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| 22:10.23 | nicehsz | nice, thanks.. interesting |
| 22:10.32 | nicehsz | http://paste.debian.net/866333 it does seem to pass on most there at least... hm? |
| 22:11.34 | jmcnaught | nicehsz: you want line 1 to pass. LXC will definitely run containers in a VM though |
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| 22:13.21 | nicehsz | Hmm! Sry I'm kinda n00b to this (and linux in general, I guess) - not sure what LXC is, I think... hmm.. Let's say I take that output as "should work"s .. My current Debian is already a guest in VBox so I'll just clone it prior.. which other Linux guest do u think would be decent to use for testing..? Assuming I may test all of them eventually if one doesn't work (easily) |
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| 22:13.47 | nicehsz | or try run some minimal version of Debian again inside it..? Maybe there are a smaller-sized, faster-install kinda linux disto... of whatver kind, any idea..? |
| 22:14.33 | jmcnaught | nicehsz: we only support Debian here, but if you want to ask about distros to try you can ask in ##linux |
| 22:14.59 | `Kevin | nicehsz: ^ but also what is your end goal? |
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| 22:15.23 | nicehsz | k, which Debian release would be the smallest/lightest in terms of install work and size then,any guesstimate...or all fairly big n likely better off lookin at something else for it? |
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| 22:15.52 | nicehsz | uh, I basicaly want a working form of nested virtualization.. part as a security feature.. was hoping to get a bunch of various stuff on it |
| 22:16.39 | nicehsz | Besides being able to place it on some nested encrypted containers before opening it with VBox, VBox itself provides encryption of it in addition to LUKS.. and then eventual nested virtualization and further encryption container layers inside there again as well... :d |
| 22:16.45 | jmcnaught | nicehsz: server or GUI applications in the nested guests? There is only one Debian distro, derivatives that are based on Debian aren't actually Debian |
| 22:17.06 | nicehsz | For example a router/fw of some kind.. I'd like FDE (full disk enc.) on that (among other things) |
| 22:17.15 | nicehsz | oh.. |
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| 22:18.28 | nicehsz | hm.. sry guess I'm not sure then... hmh.. will try get some other mini-linux whereever just for testing then I guess.. (just to see if a full-feature linux distro would run there (then will assume prty much any linux functionality I may be wanting will as well..:]) |
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| 22:20.57 | nicehsz | I don't trust Windows for much nemore.. even storing data, or storing a VM which has data on it or traffic passing thru, potentially leaking maybe.. I'm sure Win would compromise that all pretty fast.. I like this LUKS outer layer, supposedly safe aye.. and various forms of creative ways to further secure stuff inside LUKS' encryption..some prly opened after need.. |
| 22:21.16 | jmcnaught | nicehsz: Debian can be very minimal, it just depends on what you install. You might not be able to do what you're attempting with containers like LXC. |
| 22:22.04 | nicehsz | hm..cool.. tho sry again not sure what LXC is I'm afraid.. :\ hm.. (..-will google that right about now actually..!=) |
| 22:22.12 | jmcnaught | nicehsz: if you don't trust your Windows install, you shouldn't trust a VM running under it whether it's encrypted or not. The Windows host can still see everything you type. |
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| 22:22.42 | nicehsz | yeah, thanks, I know:) mostly consider this a test-thing=) |
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| 22:23.53 | nicehsz | (still..asof past decade+ .. ) hoping I'll get around to learn enough about Linux, and find tasks to get onto there for motivating sufficiently to leave Win behind for good... hopefully soon! It's getting worse and worse..alot. :x |
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| 22:24.27 | nicehsz | stupid games n stuff mostly that has kept me on Win thus far... pft! |
| 22:25.02 | jmcnaught | nicehsz: this is primarily a tech support channel. If you want to chat there's #debian-offtopic :) |
| 22:25.16 | nicehsz | o, k. sorry. and, thanks again..! :) |
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| 22:33.44 | serard_ | Hello |
| 22:34.35 | serard_ | I'm running CLI mode (no x), and monitor gets "black"; how can I avoid this ? |
| 22:34.41 | serard_ | raspbien jessie latest |
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| 22:36.28 | awal1 | dpkg: raspbien |
| 22:36.28 | dpkg | wish i knew, awal1 |
| 22:36.38 | jmcnaught | dpkg: raspbian |
| 22:36.38 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 22:36.44 | jmcnaught | serard_: ^^ |
| 22:37.16 | serard_ | oops, sorry, thought was still common :o |
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| 23:17.06 | afernandez_ | Hello I have asked in sed and bash to no avail They gave me the following solution, but can someone here can tell me why it does not work ? thank you in advance. |
| 23:17.10 | afernandez_ | Can someone pitch in why this dont work.....for x in $(<someservers);do sudo su - $x -c 'whoami;cd /somepath/$x/somedir/ && sed '/pull_file\.py/{ /-X/ !s/^#//; }' some file';done I get:bash: !s/^#//: event not found |
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| 23:18.48 | peterrooney | !cross post |
| 23:18.48 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
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| 23:22.49 | apathor | afernandez_: just put the ! after the address /-X/ instead of before s |
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| 23:24.22 | apathor | bash expands !x ( x being characters ) into a command starting with the char in the history |
| 23:24.28 | missmbob | afernandez_: and for future reference #bash is a better place with more experts for such things |
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| 23:30.37 | mylord | whatâs a simple tool to use for setting up a CLI based virtual machine on a server? (for running duplicates of node processes on same ports, etc) |
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| 23:31.26 | baum | mylord: qemu? |
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| 23:36.55 | w00ng | ew, konversation is gross |
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| 23:47.52 | w00ng | yo |
| 23:47.53 | w00ng | you there? |
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