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| 00:37.10 | gumnos | I use `ionice -c Idle nice -n 19 firefox` which (in my understanding) should make Firefox the nicest process on my machine. Yet it somehow still manages to hang my system on a regular basis to the degree I have a hotkey to kill-9 it (kill without -9 is too gracious in letting FF keep running away). How do I track this down or limit it? |
| 00:37.34 | gumnos | I only have the one Debian box but am about to try another Linux or BSD to see if that solves the problem |
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| 00:38.17 | somiaj | gumnos: figure out what it is that is hogging your system. |
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| 00:38.44 | gumnos | it's something in FF. As soon as that kill-9 lands, everything becomes responsive as a fresh boot |
| 00:38.44 | somiaj | gumnos: could firefox be eating all your memory. If you get to the point you have to use swap, that will lag your system no matter what the nice value is set at since the swaper is doing the work. |
| 00:39.21 | somiaj | gumnos: well figure out if it is really a cpu issue (that is what the nice setting does). check dmesg, if it is an i/o issue that will lag the system until it is killed as well. |
| 00:39.35 | gumnos | I thought that might be an issue. It's certainly a memory hog (4GB of RAM, it usually eats more than half of that). I don't have any swap configured, but I'd just as soon have it die with an out-of-memory condition instead of run away with my CPU |
| 00:40.26 | jmcnaught | gumnos: you should also see if it happens with firefox-esr started in safe mode ('firefox-esr -safe-mode' or go to about:support to use the button) |
| 00:40.28 | somiaj | gumnos: when it is eating your system have your ran top and seen if any other applications are using a lot of cpu and firefox is just the trigger. |
| 00:40.42 | somiaj | gumnos: also is this debian jessie and the esr version of firefox or some other isntall of firefox? |
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| 00:41.50 | gumnos | somiaj: I believe it's Jessie (whatever Stable is these days; uname says 3.16.36-1+deb8u1) and it is FF ESR, nothing fancy. |
| 00:42.50 | gumnos | I've tried safe-mode, but I haven't been able to forcibly reproduce it (some times it's almost a week between hangs; other times, it's multiple times in a day). |
| 00:43.13 | jmcnaught | gumnos: are you using flash? |
| 00:43.28 | gumnos | jmcnaught: No flash |
| 00:43.45 | monsune | gumnos how about plugins in your firefox? |
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| 00:45.30 | gumnos | somiaj: As for other RAM usage, there's not any trigger that I can identify that suddenly would put pressure on RAM. It's usually claws-mail (~170MB RSS; ~1GB VIRT), a couple tabs of chromium (about the same usage as claws), and FF (usually ~1GB RSS; 2GB VIRT) as measured in htop. |
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| 00:46.25 | somiaj | gumnos: firefox is the program causing issues, so that is the one I would think would be eating the ram, because when you kill it everything comes back. I don't think it is another program. |
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| 00:46.31 | gumnos | FF plugins should be pretty tame, mostly to get rid of junk I don't want (webdeveloper, adblock plus, geolocater, nuke anything enhanced, refresh blocker, tabgroups) |
| 00:46.36 | somiaj | and firefox can eat a lot of ram with tabs and poorly programed webpages |
| 00:46.58 | somiaj | gumnos: you should see if you have the issue with a stock firefox and no plugins/extensions what so ever. |
| 00:47.01 | monsune | gumnos disable all of them and check the cpu again... especially adblock is cpu heavy |
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| 00:47.48 | gumnos | So I guess I'm trying to either figure out what the culprit is within FF, or find some way (more than nice/ionice) to contain the beast from taking over the machine. I don't mind if it become sluggish, it's just when it drags my system to its knees. |
| 00:47.48 | somiaj | It could be just a sight you are going too causing a conflict with one of the addons. There are enough poorly written sites out there for this to happen. |
| 00:48.01 | monsune | somiaj yes it does... it used to eat 16GB here... that's why i moved to opera |
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| 00:48.50 | gumnos | If adblock is heavy, is there a recommended lighter alternative? I've heard good things about ublock origin and would be game to switch if it's better (mostly inertia keeping me on ABP) |
| 00:48.50 | somiaj | monsune: their issue originally sounded like it was firefox memory issue in which swap was being used (that will slow any system down once there is a lot of i/o overhead) |
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| 00:49.51 | monsune | somiaj pretty much true as well |
| 00:49.52 | gumnos | yeah, I had swap a couple years back (before doubling my RAM to 4GB) and it was obvious when that got hit. So I simply no longer have swap space auto attached (I add it if I expect to use it properly, then disable it when done) |
| 00:49.56 | somiaj | gumnos: I wouldn't worry about that until you track down the actual issue. You have been given lots of ideas, so now for some invesgiation. Also check iotop, it could be an i/o issue vs a cpu one. |
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| 00:51.02 | monsune | this issue is most likely related to plugins, also too many tabs can cause cpu spikes with FF |
| 00:51.06 | gumnos | even on a fast refresh, iotop gives a pretty broad picture. It also points the finger at FF (and my HDD light goes all christmas-tree), so my guess is that FF is trying to do something with the hard-drive. But I've gone and disabled as many disk-space-related settings as possible. |
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| 00:51.46 | monsune | it is most likely accessing its sqlite db heavily |
| 00:52.45 | gumnos | monsune: I use all the plugins pretty regularly, and would feel a bit vulnerable without some of the core ones. I'll try disabling the lesser-used ones and see if that helps. Is there any sort of diagnostic tool for FF that would help me track down the offending one? A "WTF are you doing to my disk right now, FF?!" plugin? ;-) |
| 00:53.25 | ryouma | i asked that question (although more like what js is running) on #firefox and apparently there really isn't a ps there |
| 00:53.42 | somiaj | gumnos: I would disable them all, rember you are not using firefox, you are invesigating the cause of this io/cpu/memory issue that is pulling your system down. Once you find the culprit you can then start enabling the addons again. |
| 00:53.46 | monsune | ryouma same here and then i switched to opera :) |
| 00:54.11 | monsune | gumnos just try it to see if that really helps at all - at least you will be sure where the problem is |
| 00:54.21 | ryouma | monsune: doesn't exist. i confirmed this by checking the debian repos. |
| 00:54.58 | gumnos | I'll go ahead and disable plugins. Thanks. |
| 00:55.35 | monsune | ryouma http://www.opera.com/computer/linux |
| 00:55.37 | gumnos | Though as a side note, it would still be nice to know how to sequester a process and enforce it to not use more than N% of my CPU/RAM. As best I can tell, ulimit doesn't support RAM limiting. |
| 00:55.42 | gumnos | (on linux) |
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| 00:56.03 | ryouma | when emacs gets good gui browser capability and multi-physical-core capability, it will have a ps by that time too |
| 00:56.15 | monsune | seriously, try opera :) it even has built-in ad blocking that works great and javascript rendering is so much faster than with FF |
| 00:56.42 | ryouma | i stick with debian repos, but it's nice to know it exists at least |
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| 00:57.57 | ryouma | 17:49 <gumnos> yeah, I had swap a couple years back (before doubling my RAM to 4GB) and it was obvious when that got hit. So I simply no longer have swap space auto attached (I add it if I expect to use it properly, then disable it when done) -- you find this better than setting swappiness to 1? |
| 00:58.50 | ryouma | 17:48 <gumnos> If adblock is heavy, is there a recommended lighter alternative? I've heard good things about ublock origin and would be game to switch if it's better (mostly inertia keeping me on ABP) -- i find ublock origin to work and seems no more heavy than abp and probably is lighter. its website says it is MUCH lighter. |
| 00:59.18 | gumnos | I tried setting vm.swappiness to 1 and still had issues. It might have been a false solution masked by the FF issue at hand. I'm not against using swap, just against having a single process keep dragging my system to its knees :) |
| 00:59.58 | ryouma | yeah firefox is problematic |
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| 01:00.04 | monsune | test opera |
| 01:00.23 | monsune | why can't you just listen? :) i stopped using FF months ago |
| 01:00.33 | gumnos | Seeing that it appears related to how FF is using the disk, I've actually considered mounting a tmpfs style directory under ~/.mozilla/firefox/ |
| 01:00.34 | monsune | been tru same issues and got tired of them |
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| 01:02.07 | gumnos | There are some plugins for FF that I use regularly and haven't found adequate replacements in chromium (want to stick to debian-repo DFSG software, so opera's out). But yeah, if I could move to chromium and get the same functionality, I'm open to investigating the possibility |
| 01:02.58 | monsune | right so your cpu is out as well and nothing you can do about it |
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| 01:03.43 | ryouma | gumnos: inotify? |
| 01:03.53 | monsune | soon you will also learn that your ram is out :) |
| 01:04.08 | ryouma | gumnos: or some linux sysadmin tool for monitoring activity? |
| 01:04.29 | ryouma | monsune: we know firefox sucks. but we value dfsg. |
| 01:04.37 | monsune | it's same with FF on windows and nothing you can do about |
| 01:05.16 | ryouma | and similarly for me, chromium just doesn't do the stuff firefox does afaict |
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| 01:05.36 | monsune | unless you keep not more than a few tabs open at least and limit your plugins to absolute minimum and well tested ones, anything beyond that - FF starts eating resources like crazy and devs not really helping with anything |
| 01:06.13 | monsune | ryouma not sure what stuff you mean? |
| 01:06.42 | gumnos | monsune: I can't tell whether the CPU is out because of CPU-bound activity, or if the CPU is swamped because system processes are trying to keep up with all the I/O demands. It does seem triggered by I/O that FF is doing, but it takes out my CPU in the process (pun not intended, but found amusing post-facto) |
| 01:07.06 | ryouma | monsune: dunno, just the stuff i am used to in firefox with my extensions |
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| 01:07.51 | gumnos | And "throw more RAM at it" hasn't been working for me. 256MB -> 384MB -> new machine with 1.5GB -> new machine with 2GB -> 4GB. Still FF eats voraciously. |
| 01:07.55 | monsune | ryouma i was using like 20 plugins and found alternatives for all of that, not to mention that some stuff was already shipped with opera |
| 01:08.08 | gumnos | (that's a 15yr spread for perspective...FF always eats more than I have) |
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| 01:08.42 | monsune | mine used to eat 16GB so i had to end the madness... |
| 01:08.44 | r0ng | monsune: you know that a chinese company just bought opera, right? |
| 01:09.11 | ryouma | gumnos: are your tabs all loaded or are they greyed out? do you vacuum firefox? |
| 01:09.12 | monsune | r0ng they never made the deal yet actually |
| 01:09.24 | r0ng | monsune: you sure? i had read that it was done. |
| 01:09.44 | monsune | r0ng so many rumours about it while it's still the old, good opera |
| 01:09.45 | r0ng | in any event, that was enough for me to uninstall and part ways with opera |
| 01:10.01 | ryouma | i periodically restart and then vacuum firefox |
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| 01:10.09 | r0ng | it's just chrome with built-in VPN and uBlock |
| 01:10.10 | r0ng | nothing special |
| 01:10.14 | r0ng | it runs on the chromium engine |
| 01:10.28 | monsune | and it doesn't eat up all the cpu and ram :) |
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| 01:10.46 | monsune | with 400 tabs open in 3 windows it only uses 8GB here and basically no cpu |
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| 01:11.08 | r0ng | who has 400 tabs open? |
| 01:11.15 | monsune | plus javascript rendering is like 5 times faster i would say |
| 01:11.15 | r0ng | i start going crazy with a dozen tabs open |
| 01:11.29 | ryouma | firefox is not htat bad then. i have 150 tabs in firefox and i only /have/ 4gb and it's fine for me for the time being |
| 01:11.33 | monsune | r0ng my kid has more open usually :) |
| 01:11.40 | missmbob | opera is awesome, but this is getting offtopic |
| 01:11.43 | r0ng | for what purpose? |
| 01:11.43 | missmbob | !ot |
| 01:11.43 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:11.47 | r0ng | just too lazy to close them? |
| 01:12.03 | monsune | r0ng are you a developer or a casual user? |
| 01:12.09 | r0ng | casual user |
| 01:12.20 | monsune | so that explains a lot, thank you |
| 01:12.33 | r0ng | why would a developer have 400 tabs open? |
| 01:12.37 | monsune | missmbob yup :/ |
| 01:12.47 | nicehsz | every browser ive tried crash eventually... last time i actually counted was when used chrome.. 500-something.. but likely related to the flash videos inside them? unsure.. (meth,porn.. could reach a million) |
| 01:13.07 | gumnos | ryouma: "vacuum firefox"? |
| 01:13.15 | ryouma | gumnos: aha. try it. hang on. |
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| 01:13.23 | monsune | r0ng please, just keep your 12 open and be happy with your anti-chinese paranoia :) |
| 01:13.46 | missmbob | please guys...this is perfect for #debian-offtopic |
| 01:13.47 | monsune | while some people actually need a reliable browser for heavy use |
| 01:13.55 | ryouma | gumnos: find . -name \*.sqlite\* -exec echo {} \; -exec sqlite3 {} VACUUM \; |
| 01:13.56 | r0ng | well, it's not just a chinese company. it's a chinese company known for doing sketchy stuff in order to monetize products they buy. |
| 01:13.59 | r0ng | okay fine missmbob |
| 01:13.59 | r0ng | sorry |
| 01:14.00 | monsune | missmbob i'm sorry, won't happen again |
| 01:14.04 | ryouma | gumnos: also reduce bookmarks |
| 01:14.20 | gumnos | I added the "tab groups" plugin after FF removed the functionality. But yeah, a couple 100 tabs "open" (with a couple dozen actually loaded) |
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| 01:17.04 | gumnos | ryouma: well, vacuuming is certainly churning hard. Hopefully between that and disabling some of my lesser-used plugins, things will improve. There's 10+ years of unvacuumed crud in there :-) |
| 01:17.40 | gumnos | those urlclassifier*.sqlite ones seem to be taking quite a while. |
| 01:17.46 | gumnos | I think that's an ABP thing |
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| 01:20.04 | gumnos | Okay, I've vacuumed, disabled most of my plugins, will switch from ABP to uBlock and see if things improve. Thanks for all the hints/tips, gentlefolk. |
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| 01:28.45 | awal1 | Any background setter app for .gif ? |
| 01:29.41 | somiaj | awal1: most image views should be able to. I use feh, and display from imagemagick can work too. |
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| 01:31.22 | awal1 | somiaj, yeah feh /imagemagik/ristretto open my .gif pictures just fine, I asked bcuz I thought further configs are needed for put x.gif picture as background |
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| 01:31.29 | awal1 | I'll try feh |
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| 01:34.14 | r0ng | whoami |
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| 01:36.49 | awal1 | feh/imagemagick won't open this picture http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=107561 |
| 01:36.58 | awal1 | ristretto does :P |
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| 02:01.55 | i5um41ru | Hi, when I do "nslookup www.skeffo.com" it say NXDOMAIN error, but not with |
| 02:01.55 | i5um41ru | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:07.30 | jmcnaught | i5um41ru: www.skeffo.com resolves for me. its TTL is 604800 which is pretty high if you're making changes. Have you used dig? "dig @fqdn.nameserver.example.com www.skeffo.com" |
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| 02:16.44 | i5um41ru | jmcnaught: well, ok. what do you mean high? if it was 604800. could you tell me something about it. Well, i've got to go. |
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| 02:30.14 | jmcnaught | i5um41ru: TTL is how many seconds other name servers should cache records for. Your TTL is one week, so resolving nameservers that have asked your authoritative nameserver about that record will not ask for another week. |
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| 02:43.16 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 02:44.40 | [gnubie] | how do i check if i have packages that needs to be upgraded without prompting me the list of packages to be upgraded? i just want to print probably yes or no |
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| 02:47.06 | jmcnaught | "apt list --upgradable" or "aptitude search '?upgradable'" |
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| 02:50.30 | [gnubie] | how about suppressing the output of listing of upgradable packages? |
| 02:50.54 | [gnubie] | i canât find an option to it.. |
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| 02:51.31 | jmcnaught | [gnubie]: can you show an example of what you mean on https://paste.debian.net/ ? I don't understand you. |
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| 02:52.56 | [gnubie] | basically, i want to do this: |
| 02:53.21 | jmcnaught | [gnubie]: do you mean you want a boolean answer to "are there packages to upgrade?"? |
| 02:53.35 | [gnubie] | yes, just boolean |
| 02:53.50 | jmcnaught | [gnubie]: is this for a script? |
| 02:53.55 | [gnubie] | yes |
| 02:54.38 | [gnubie] | if there is at least one package to be upgraded on this system, return 1; else return 2.. something like that |
| 02:54.44 | jmcnaught | is running "apt-get upgrade" when there are no upgrades a problem? |
| 02:55.29 | [gnubie] | i actually donât want to upgrade the system. i just want to know if the system needs to be upgraded or not. |
| 02:57.04 | dax | jmcnaught: no |
| 02:57.23 | dax | ... Lol nvm, I fail at scrollback |
| 02:57.24 | [gnubie] | apt-get -s -q upgrade will still list the packages to be upgrade.. |
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| 02:59.43 | jrabbit | use apt |
| 02:59.50 | jrabbit | is it in stable tho |
| 02:59.58 | jrabbit | its nice |
| 03:00.10 | missmbob | apt is in stable but not with all the features that testing/sid has |
| 03:00.34 | jmcnaught | apt(8) man page also says don't use it for scripts |
| 03:01.03 | jrabbit | yeah because it may change |
| 03:07.51 | jmcnaught | [gnubie]: you could try and pull the number of packages that need to upgraded from 'apt-get -s upgrade' using awk |
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| 03:08.18 | [gnubie] | yes |
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| 03:20.53 | dr1337 | Hi guys, I'm getting a time out while trying to get ttyS0 started. i've read that it could be caused by config fhandle in the kernel and i've enabled it but am still running into issues |
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| 04:34.54 | ZhinZhao | hey peeps |
| 04:35.07 | ZhinZhao | is there a good way to sync two systems packages and configs? |
| 04:35.20 | ZhinZhao | like they both run debian 8 currently |
| 04:35.32 | ZhinZhao | and I just want them to be pretty damn similar |
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| 04:36.06 | n4dir | rsync |
| 04:36.29 | ZhinZhao | rsync / ? |
| 04:36.30 | ZhinZhao | haha |
| 04:36.35 | ZhinZhao | seems like a not good idea |
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| 04:36.52 | n4dir | why not good? |
| 04:37.18 | n4dir | done it lots of times, without problems |
| 04:37.21 | ZhinZhao | hmm I suppose I could just have each one check the other when they cold booted |
| 04:38.04 | ZhinZhao | I suppose actually being linux most stuff would probably still work even live though eh |
| 04:38.07 | ZhinZhao | hmm |
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| 04:39.08 | n4dir | i guess i would boot one system and boot the other one from a live-CD, mount the installed version, compare which stuff has changed via an argument for rsync (probably -u) |
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| 04:39.37 | n4dir | but perhaps for what you want there is a better solution. I don't know much. |
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| 04:39.54 | ZhinZhao | yeah seems pretty involved haha |
| 04:40.03 | ZhinZhao | one thought I had |
| 04:40.13 | ZhinZhao | was just to mount /etc/ and /usr/bin on a network share |
| 04:40.28 | n4dir | though if you run stable, you won't have that much changes anyway .... |
| 04:40.33 | ZhinZhao | or like merge the two folders somehow for /etc/ |
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| 04:40.40 | ZhinZhao | so only stuff configured on the network drive takes effect |
| 04:40.52 | ZhinZhao | its mainly for app configs |
| 04:41.04 | ZhinZhao | like im a dev and I want to have the same workflow everywhere |
| 04:41.13 | ZhinZhao | but if I change something I dont want to change it in 3 places |
| 04:41.16 | ZhinZhao | ideally anyway |
| 04:42.07 | ZhinZhao | I did consider just having a vm I run off the network drive entirely |
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| 04:42.13 | ZhinZhao | since I have gigabit to all 3 |
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| 04:42.37 | ZhinZhao | but 2 of them are laptops and arent even always at the home or office |
| 04:42.48 | ZhinZhao | and their battery life would suffer |
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| 04:46.54 | n4dir | quite some ideas here (and i often heard of git-annex, but don't know it): https://serverfault.com/questions/148665/is-it-possible-to-sync-two-linux-directories-in-real-time |
| 04:47.04 | n4dir | git came to my mind too, though. |
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| 04:47.17 | bartman357 | I have a question |
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| 04:48.15 | bartman357 | Is there any way to make the macbook trackpad have multitouch functionality almost identical to osx in kali linux? kali is debian based |
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| 04:57.11 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell ZhinZhao -about debian clone |
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| 04:57.46 | ZhinZhao | jmcnaught, thanks - that's probably the simplest way ive seen |
| 04:57.55 | ZhinZhao | is there a dpkg way to dump all my configs too? |
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| 04:58.21 | jmcnaught | ZhinZhao: take a look at the message from the bot. For configuration of packages, there's also debconf-get-selections and debconf-set-selections |
| 04:58.34 | jmcnaught | heh i'm lagging |
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| 05:00.38 | n4dir | how can i be told about debian clone too? |
| 05:00.51 | jmcnaught | n4dir: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 05:01.02 | n4dir | thanks a ton. |
| 05:03.01 | jmcnaught | ZhinZhao: you might also be interested in using git (and possibly gnu stow) to manage your dot files for per-user settings. |
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| 05:10.22 | ZhinZhao | jmcnaught, is it a crazy idea to just rsync everything except /home |
| 05:10.30 | ZhinZhao | when the client vm's cold boot? |
| 05:10.49 | ZhinZhao | so to get the changes they'd just reboot, and anything they set up custom in /home/ would be unchanged |
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| 05:11.07 | ZhinZhao | pretty hacky I know but we're just looking for something simple |
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| 05:14.55 | jmcnaught | ZhinZhao: i don't quite understand the problem you're trying to solve, but i wouldn't try to rsync /usr, /var, /etc between multiple computers |
| 05:15.30 | ZhinZhao | jmcnaught, its like, every monitor in our office is a 'node' |
| 05:15.34 | ZhinZhao | running its own vm |
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| 05:15.37 | ZhinZhao | for a specific purpose |
| 05:15.49 | ZhinZhao | an example use case we need is like |
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| 05:16.07 | ZhinZhao | say the social media team of 8 vm's needs a new chromium extension |
| 05:16.26 | ZhinZhao | we just want to do that once |
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| 05:17.12 | jmcnaught | ZhinZhao: it sounds to me like you need some configuration management software. ansible is pretty easy to get started with |
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| 05:18.04 | ZhinZhao | jmcnaught, I looked at ansible but it seemed complicated lol |
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| 05:18.21 | jmcnaught | 'ansible social_media -m apt -a "pkg=foo state=present"' |
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| 05:18.45 | ZhinZhao | whaaat |
| 05:19.00 | ZhinZhao | can you recommend me a good guide? |
| 05:19.03 | ZhinZhao | because that seems dope |
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| 05:21.09 | jmcnaught | ZhinZhao: http://docs.ansible.com/ is pretty decent, it's what i learned from. Better than ^ is using playbooks, which are simple yaml files that describe packages and files that should be present. Then you keep your playbooks and ansible inventory in version control like git |
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| 05:22.34 | ZhinZhao | jmcnaught, is there a way to make this so like, all the ansible child node things |
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| 05:22.39 | ZhinZhao | reported to the master server |
| 05:22.46 | ZhinZhao | instead of them having fixed ip's in a hosts file |
| 05:22.49 | jmcnaught | ZhinZhao: using rsync to make all computers the same, it will get complicated managing the various "masters" that clones get copied from. You'll also need to sort out files while do need to be unique, like /etc/hostname etc |
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| 05:23.27 | ZhinZhao | no |
| 05:23.30 | ZhinZhao | there's only 1 master |
| 05:23.39 | ZhinZhao | but I understand it would lead to complications |
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| 05:23.45 | jmcnaught | ZhinZhao: with ansible you run it on a master computer that pushes its configuration to all the hosts in its inventory |
| 05:23.48 | ZhinZhao | so lets ditch that idea, ansible seems fine |
| 05:24.02 | ZhinZhao | jmcnaught, but what about for dynamic networks? |
| 05:24.14 | ZhinZhao | like I dont want to manually set up each new node we add |
| 05:24.18 | ZhinZhao | because a new node is just a new monitor |
| 05:24.19 | ZhinZhao | heh |
| 05:24.30 | jmcnaught | nodes are desktop PCs in an office? |
| 05:24.32 | ZhinZhao | some people are going to have up to 10 |
| 05:24.34 | jmcnaught | or thin clients? |
| 05:24.37 | ZhinZhao | no, for me each node is a vm |
| 05:24.45 | ZhinZhao | each with its own display on a common workstation |
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| 05:25.19 | ZhinZhao | so 10 monitors, 10 vms, 1 pc |
| 05:25.35 | jmcnaught | ansible has a bunch of inventory providers: http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/intro_dynamic_inventory.html |
| 05:25.37 | ZhinZhao | but then other pc's will only have 2, one social media and one dev |
| 05:26.46 | ZhinZhao | cool looks like I can do that with openstack |
| 05:26.53 | ZhinZhao | thanks a lot |
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| 05:26.56 | jmcnaught | why have 10 VMs for 10 seats at a computer? why not use more traditional multiseat |
| 05:26.58 | ZhinZhao | this seems perfect |
| 05:27.20 | ZhinZhao | jmcnaught, because fuck tradition |
| 05:27.23 | ZhinZhao | oops, sorry |
| 05:27.24 | ZhinZhao | lol |
| 05:27.34 | ZhinZhao | we're a startup |
| 05:27.38 | ZhinZhao | we want things how we want them |
| 05:27.49 | jmcnaught | heh, ansible is a lot less complex than openstack |
| 05:28.09 | ZhinZhao | jmcnaught, from that page you just linked it said I needed to use a provider |
| 05:28.25 | ZhinZhao | which ansible then wrapped around or something |
| 05:28.47 | ZhinZhao | and then I can do something like this |
| 05:28.48 | ZhinZhao | ansible -i openstack.py all -m ping |
| 05:29.26 | ZhinZhao | what I would still need is some way to narrow that down again so it only did the thing on the correct nodes |
| 05:29.46 | ZhinZhao | like I dont want to install my social media chromium extension anywhere but on those vm's |
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| 05:30.09 | ZhinZhao | I know you demonstrated grouping before - but I need that WITH the dynamic inventory provider |
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| 05:32.17 | jmcnaught | ZhinZhao: i've only ever used static inventories with ansible, but the openstack.py seems to have functions for getting group information out of openstack |
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| 05:33.29 | ZhinZhao | fantastic, sorry for the stupid questions ill rtfm later today haha |
| 05:33.37 | ZhinZhao | but all of that seems like the perfect solution |
| 05:33.39 | ZhinZhao | thank you so much |
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| 05:34.56 | jmcnaught | ZhinZhao: cheers, there's also #ansible on this network if you have questions after reading the docs :) |
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| 05:35.26 | jmcnaught | ZhinZhao: others to look at are saltstack, puppet, chef |
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| 07:13.00 | r4f_debian | Hi all |
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| 07:13.44 | r4f_debian | Please, I suggested Debian GNU/Linux to a friend, he installed it but can't access internet by any way - he needs wi-fi connection |
| 07:13.53 | expgirlsix | I want the rabbi to explain what it's doing in their holy book that only they are fully human and that they can cheat and exploit everyone else. |
| 07:14.05 | expgirlsix | http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/militia-intelligence-report-jim-condit-jr-election-fraud-jewish-shadow-government-10-10-16/ |
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| 07:14.33 | r4f_debian | he has the following output: lo - no wireless extensions |
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| 07:14.44 | r4f_debian | etho no wireless extensios |
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| 07:14.58 | r4f_debian | Please what shall we do ? |
| 07:15.24 | babilen | Configure the wireless card, install firmware or a newer kernel if needed |
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| 07:15.51 | babilen | Start by running "lspci -nn|grep -i network" and check the pciid at the end in brackets against a module database |
| 07:16.02 | r4f_debian | babilen, please, where do I configure wireless card ? |
| 07:16.11 | r4f_debian | oh, ok |
| 07:16.18 | r4f_debian | I saw now your instructions |
| 07:17.02 | Mahe | r4f_debian: maybe the non-free drivers will help: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/jessie/current/ |
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| 07:17.59 | r4f_debian | thanks Mahe, trying babilen suggestion here. I will se it afterwards, really thanks ! :) |
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| 07:20.05 | r4f_debian | babilen, I can't see what's going one there, he's asking me by telephone, but he said there was no return using this command |
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| 07:20.24 | r4f_debian | 'lspci -nn|grep -i network' |
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| 07:20.43 | babilen | What kind of wifi adapter is being used? |
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| 07:21.15 | r4f_debian | well, I don't know |
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| 07:21.24 | r4f_debian | lspci ? |
| 07:21.27 | miomio9090 | hi |
| 07:21.31 | miomio9090 | hello |
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| 07:21.43 | miomio9090 | cista qualquno che parla italiano |
| 07:21.57 | babilen | dpkg: it |
| 07:21.58 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:22.07 | babilen | r4f_debian: You could ask |
| 07:22.51 | r4f_debian | babilen,I wil try it here, just one moment, please |
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| 07:23.41 | r4f_debian | the problem is: he doesn't know answering me |
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| 07:24.26 | r4f_debian | difficult to check it like that, I will suggest him to come here and check it directly to yours |
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| 07:24.39 | r4f_debian | thanks anyway, babilen ! |
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| 07:25.15 | r4f_debian | My Debian Jessie here is Perfect, as ever. No problem, no issues, no bug, no nightmares :) |
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| 07:26.34 | r4f_debian | Bye babilen ! Bye all :) |
| 07:26.39 | babilen | r4f_debian: Is this a desktop pc, a laptop or something else? |
| 07:26.43 | babilen | meh |
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| 07:28.19 | r4f_debian | I'm back to answer you, babilen: he is using a laptop |
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| 07:28.39 | r4f_debian | but, now the bomb: he is not using Debian |
| 07:29.02 | r4f_debian | he wasn't precise, to inform me he's using a Debian based distro: kali |
| 07:29.08 | r4f_debian | not Debian Jessie |
| 07:29.34 | r4f_debian | strange, for I never had such kind of network issue using Debian |
| 07:30.07 | r4f_debian | perhaps he thought that would ask to Debian channel about kali because it is based on debian |
| 07:30.19 | r4f_debian | well, babilen, sorry about this :( |
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| 07:30.43 | babilen | Well, who knows ... |
| 07:31.33 | r4f_debian | see you babilen, nice to meet you here :) |
| 07:31.55 | r4f_debian | Bye ! |
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| 07:42.48 | premoboss | hi dues, i need to install debina 7.0 wheezy 32bit, but i have difficulties to find the iso of first cd: comeone can give me a link? |
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| 07:50.22 | gquittet | I'm loodoons |
| 07:50.24 | gquittet | not gquittet |
| 07:50.29 | gquittet | Hello |
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| 07:58.16 | loodoons | CentOS vs Debian ? |
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| 07:58.27 | loodoons | I prefer debian and you? |
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| 08:09.58 | dcpc007 | hi, on Debian 7, the "last" command shows a very short history ... is it default ? very boring to not have more than a few days inside |
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| 08:10.31 | dcpc007 | on other distro i have months of history inside, enven after a reboot |
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| 08:12.56 | petemc | dcpc007: set | grep -i hist |
| 08:13.49 | dcpc007 | need to check what ? |
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| 08:14.21 | petemc | you can see the variables that control your bash history |
| 08:14.25 | petemc | is that not obvious? |
| 08:14.44 | petemc | if you want to change them you can do it in ~/.bashrc |
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| 08:14.50 | dcpc007 | i didn't speak about history command ???? |
| 08:14.55 | petemc | ah ffs |
| 08:14.57 | petemc | sorry |
| 08:15.00 | dcpc007 | 10:09:58) dcpc007: hi, on Debian 7, the "last" command |
| 08:15.07 | petemc | still early here |
| 08:15.10 | dcpc007 | :o) |
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| 08:15.30 | dcpc007 | i'm trying to monitor what other "dev" do on new servers |
| 08:15.43 | dcpc007 | i detect some apt-get install command ... and not very happy |
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| 08:16.03 | dcpc007 | and i don't know if there is differences between apt-get install and aptitude install ... |
| 08:16.15 | dcpc007 | i try to keep all new servers similar |
| 08:16.26 | missmbob | dcpc007: aptitude installs recommended packages by default and apt-get doesn't |
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| 08:16.53 | missmbob | what'll really change your world is when you learn there's another command...apt |
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| 08:18.43 | peterrooney | when debian treats apt-get like NIH... hope for the future fades. |
| 08:19.54 | missmbob | peterrooney: they don't touch apt-get for a reason. it'd break so many scripts. thus apt. |
| 08:20.23 | hi5_ | hi folks |
| 08:20.31 | hi5_ | any percona mysql user arround |
| 08:20.32 | hi5_ | ? |
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| 08:20.40 | dcpc007 | ok then a mysql + apache + phpmyadmin install via apt-get should not be so different than if i'd do with aptitude |
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| 08:21.02 | gry | hi5_: Hello! You could ask #mysql or here, but in either case, please give full details. |
| 08:21.06 | missmbob | dcpc007: right |
| 08:21.07 | gry | Straight away. |
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| 08:21.51 | hi5_ | couple day back i notice percona mysqld not updating from repos |
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| 08:22.25 | gry | Do you get an error? |
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| 08:24.39 | hi5_ | Duplicate sources.list entry http://repo.percona.com/apt/ jessie/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repo.percona.com_apt_dists_jessie_main_binary-amd64_Packages) |
| 08:24.53 | hi5_ | 1 min |
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| 08:25.31 | CyberJacob | Hi |
| 08:25.45 | hi5_ | problem solved |
| 08:25.45 | gry | hi5_: Ok thanks; please pastebin your sources.list somewhere. |
| 08:25.52 | gry | Oh. Cool. |
| 08:25.55 | CyberJacob | Trying to make a dpkg for a program I wrote, using make-deb and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 08:26.00 | hi5_ | its was my mistake |
| 08:26.18 | CyberJacob | part of the install puts a file into /etc/systemd/system/ |
| 08:26.26 | hi5_ | to sim repos in source.list was |
| 08:26.27 | hi5_ | :/ |
| 08:26.39 | hi5_ | tb two |
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| 08:26.40 | CyberJacob | Is it possible to build a dpkg without having permissions to that folder (i.e. run as non-root) |
| 08:26.50 | gry | Yes. Understood. You have successfully done rubber duck debugging, hi5_; it is a working strategy. |
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| 08:28.37 | ksk | CyberJacob: you mean building a debian package? take a look at the fakeroot package |
| 08:29.05 | missmbob | CyberJacob: just add -rfakeroot to the end of dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 08:30.39 | CyberJacob | missmbob: nope, still get `error: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/etc/systemd/system/xxx.service'` |
| 08:31.08 | missmbob | CyberJacob: pretty impossible to help without the full command and output |
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| 08:32.09 | missmbob | CyberJacob: also pastebin your debian/rules |
| 08:32.24 | pingfloyd | CyberJacob: you can't write to /etc without root perms. building is one thing, installing is another. |
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| 08:33.12 | CyberJacob | pingfloyd: I'm just trying to build, obviously I will need root to install |
| 08:33.18 | CyberJacob | missmbob: will do, two secs |
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| 08:34.06 | pingfloyd | CyberJacob: so what does the systemd unit have to do with building in this case? |
| 08:34.21 | missmbob | pingfloyd: good question. that's why i want to see everything |
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| 08:35.09 | dcpc007 | i find why "last" history is so short ... default logorotate.conf is monthly / rotate 1 !!! |
| 08:35.20 | dcpc007 | a little aggressive i think |
| 08:35.22 | pingfloyd | missmbob: yeah, plenty of missing info on this one |
| 08:35.32 | dcpc007 | for wtmp and btmp |
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| 08:41.49 | CyberJacob | All 3 uploaded |
| 08:41.49 | CyberJacob | https://gist.github.com/cyberjacob/1ae5c901ced453fdcd18099d89a1fed5 |
| 08:42.24 | Iridos | CyberJacob, none of the debian packages need root for building |
| 08:43.01 | CyberJacob | Iridos: It's a custom package I'm building, for a program I wrote |
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| 08:47.19 | CyberJacob | pingfloyd: poke |
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| 08:56.55 | Iridos | CyberJacob, I'd look how another package with a deamon does it⦠this looks like a common case? |
| 08:58.09 | CyberJacob | Iridos: found that dh-virtualenv suggests using the `install` directive (https://github.com/spotify/dh-virtualenv/issues/164) |
| 08:58.20 | CyberJacob | But make-deb doesn't support that |
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| 09:03.32 | wrksx | hey there |
| 09:03.33 | wrksx | Now I'm upgrading to 16 LTS, it says 'A new version of /boot/grub/menu.lst is available, but the version installed currently has been locally modified'. I didn't modified it myself, so probably a script or it's my hoster's setup, got no clue. This is a server I'm only able to access through ssh so I'm not sure I'm goin to use that grub menu at all. My /boot/grub/menu.lst, contained lines like this: |
| 09:03.33 | wrksx | kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro console=tty0 console=ttyS0,57600 biosdevname=0 |
| 09:03.35 | wrksx | initrd /initrd.img |
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| 09:05.19 | wrksx | Hum okay sorry for pasting to the chanel |
| 09:05.36 | Iridos | dpkg, tell CyberJacob about mentors |
| 09:05.52 | CyberJacob | wrksx: there should be an option after that message to show the differences between the two available versions of the file |
| 09:05.53 | Iridos | also, there is no 16LTS of debian |
| 09:06.03 | babilen | wrksx: I'm sure that you want #ubuntu |
| 09:06.16 | Iridos | â¦so you'll probably want #ubuntu |
| 09:06.18 | Iridos | hey! |
| 09:06.27 | babilen | :-þ |
| 09:06.33 | wrksx | Yeah you guys unmasked me =) |
| 09:07.07 | wrksx | but I prefer #debian, and you guys know how this work right? |
| 09:07.12 | babilen | wrksx: Seek support in the appropriate channel. It is really not nice to willingly lie or do otherwise. Use Debian if you want help in here. |
| 09:08.02 | wrksx | babilen, okay then sorry for the inconvenience. I use debian on some server, ubuntu on others |
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| 09:09.27 | babilen | wrksx: There's #ubuntu-server |
| 09:09.58 | wrksx | babilen, oh right, that might be more appropiate, thanks for the info |
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| 09:27.45 | ws2k3 | how can i write zero's to unpartitioned space on my hard disk? |
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| 09:37.59 | somiaj | ws2k3: any reason you can't partition that space? I think that is easier, otherwise you are going to have to compute the boundaries of this space to write zeros only to that part |
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| 09:43.10 | somiaj | ws2k3: http://superuser.com/questions/863964/how-do-you-wipe-unpartitioned-disk-space -- seems to agree with me. The hard (and dangerous part) of doing this with unpartitioned space is correctly identifying the boundaries of this space (otherwise you can destory yoru other paritions/data) |
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| 09:53.13 | Drzacek | create partition from unpartitioned space, wipe the data (dd if=/dev/zero...), delete partition |
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| 09:59.56 | XinZhao | hey my debian installer wants a network driver |
| 10:00.12 | XinZhao | some .ucode file |
| 10:00.12 | XinZhao | where do I get that? |
| 10:00.20 | XinZhao | oh I just need the unofficial net installer? |
| 10:00.45 | babilen | Indeed |
| 10:00.48 | babilen | dpkg: firmware image |
| 10:00.48 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 10:01.20 | XinZhao | thanks ill give that a go if this firmware.zip doesnt work |
| 10:02.36 | somiaj | XinZhao: there are instructions for using firmware with the offical installer. You can also install a base system with the netinstaller without the internet and just manually copy the firmware over after the install |
| 10:03.05 | XinZhao | thats what I was trying to do |
| 10:03.14 | XinZhao | but it let me go so far and then stopped |
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| 10:03.19 | XinZhao | wont let me continue |
| 10:03.20 | XinZhao | RIP |
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| 10:05.00 | babilen | XinZhao: From what kind of medium are you installing and how are you providing the contents of the firmware.zip ? |
| 10:05.06 | babilen | (did you unpack it?) |
| 10:05.16 | XinZhao | yeah it just said to unzip it to the root of a flash drive |
| 10:05.31 | XinZhao | its .deb files though not .ucode |
| 10:05.31 | babilen | Okay, and what did you do with the installer? |
| 10:05.37 | babilen | Yeah, that's no problem |
| 10:05.59 | babilen | Is the installer also on a USB stick? |
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| 10:07.33 | XinZhao | yes |
| 10:07.46 | babilen | And that works? |
| 10:07.51 | babilen | never got that to work |
| 10:07.51 | XinZhao | ofcourse |
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| 10:08.00 | babilen | So you loaded the firmware? |
| 10:08.06 | XinZhao | its the only way I install anything these days hehe |
| 10:08.10 | XinZhao | no havent done the firmware yet |
| 10:08.12 | XinZhao | trying now |
| 10:08.25 | babilen | I am referring to loading the firmware (I also install from USB) |
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| 10:09.07 | XinZhao | well the site says it will work heh |
| 10:09.10 | babilen | Last time I tried it I only managed it when I was installing from CD and provided the firmware on USB, but not when the installer was on USB also |
| 10:09.12 | XinZhao | lets see |
| 10:09.19 | babilen | That was some time ago though |
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| 10:11.52 | XinZhao | lol yeah doesnt seem to work with the .deb files |
| 10:11.54 | XinZhao | it wants a .ucode file |
| 10:12.56 | babilen | It works with the .deb .. the error simply means "didn't find firmware" |
| 10:13.14 | babilen | I'd use the firmware installer .. that also used to complain, but you could just continue |
| 10:13.15 | XinZhao | well its 100% within one of these .deb files |
| 10:13.16 | XinZhao | heh |
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| 10:13.32 | babilen | Alternatively unpack the .deb and take it from there |
| 10:13.41 | XinZhao | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-provide-non-free-firmware-files-to-the-debian-jessie-installer-4175542680/ |
| 10:13.41 | babilen | (but then you would still have to load it) |
| 10:13.44 | XinZhao | bam |
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| 10:14.13 | babilen | You really don't have to do that |
| 10:14.22 | XinZhao | well according to that |
| 10:14.29 | XinZhao | it doesnt work even to unpack them |
| 10:14.34 | XinZhao | so ill just get the unoficial one |
| 10:14.41 | babilen | It does when you install from a burned CD |
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| 10:14.58 | XinZhao | I dont have a cd rom -_- |
| 10:15.10 | babilen | That's okay .. just use the installer with firmware. |
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| 10:15.20 | XinZhao | yah |
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| 10:16.40 | talin | hello. so when i try to install the latest debian, the installer crashes... ubuntu works, but not ubuntu lte. and this server used to run debian in the past... so the theory is that something on the latest debian installer is making it crash. so i'm wondering if it's possible to install a super-old version of debian and then upgrade? because it seems that only the installer is the problem.. and crashes at ra |
| 10:16.46 | talin | ndom times |
| 10:17.31 | XinZhao | now I have to wait for another download |
| 10:17.31 | XinZhao | zzzz |
| 10:17.52 | somiaj | talin: debian provides upgrade paths and if you just upgrade a minimial system before you start installing software there is very little issue. You just need to ensure you upgrade through each release. So if you start at squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie (/msg dpkg wheezy->jessie for instance) |
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| 10:18.40 | somiaj | talin: also read the release notes about each upgrade. It will warn you of known issues. |
| 10:18.47 | missmbob | talin: you're using the stretch alpha installer? |
| 10:21.50 | somiaj | (also with random crashes, could be hardware such as memeory) |
| 10:22.48 | missmbob | sure would be nice if we werent talking to ourselves :P |
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| 10:23.45 | somiaj | I tend to think out loud. |
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| 10:25.23 | XinZhao | hey is it worth me switching out debians display manager for a lighter one on an ultra low power build? |
| 10:25.30 | XinZhao | and if so - any recommendations ? |
| 10:25.41 | XinZhao | ill probably use fluxbox or something |
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| 10:26.07 | somiaj | XinZhao: or just use startx and not have a display manager |
| 10:26.15 | XinZhao | nah im good |
| 10:26.15 | XinZhao | lol |
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| 10:26.19 | somiaj | XinZhao: debian has mutliple display managers to choose from in the repos. |
| 10:26.35 | XinZhao | somiaj, right but I have no idea which one would be better for that |
| 10:26.38 | XinZhao | :) |
| 10:26.40 | babilen | talin: Which installer are you using and what's the problem? |
| 10:26.50 | missmbob | what is "that" ? |
| 10:27.06 | XinZhao | missmbob, 'for a lighter one on an ultra low power build?' |
| 10:27.08 | XinZhao | as above |
| 10:27.09 | somiaj | XinZhao: lightdm seems to be popular these days. |
| 10:27.11 | babilen | XinZhao: I'd recommedn "lightdm" |
| 10:27.18 | babilen | *recommend even |
| 10:27.22 | XinZhao | haha thats two for lightdm ill give that a go |
| 10:27.23 | XinZhao | thanks |
| 10:27.31 | XinZhao | oh um |
| 10:27.38 | XinZhao | whats the term for the thing id need for openbox |
| 10:27.43 | XinZhao | to add a like taskbar thing |
| 10:27.46 | XinZhao | a docker? |
| 10:27.48 | missmbob | i use lightdm too but it's silly to claim it uses less power |
| 10:27.54 | babilen | XinZhao: It's called a "dock" |
| 10:28.00 | babilen | (or "taskbar") |
| 10:28.03 | XinZhao | missmbob, im on core-m so less cycles used === less power |
| 10:28.04 | Voyager82 | Hello. I had a problem with the "backlight" of my Laptop, and I have succeeded in solving it with the following command: "echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/radeon_bl0/brightness". Now, I want this command to be runned, as root, every time the computer starts up. What is the best place to put it? |
| 10:28.10 | XinZhao | babilen, cool cheers |
| 10:28.25 | XinZhao | any recommendations for any good ones? |
| 10:28.27 | XinZhao | id love 0one kind of line windows 8 |
| 10:28.34 | XinZhao | or unitys docker |
| 10:28.40 | XinZhao | where I just pin stuff |
| 10:28.46 | babilen | *shrug* |
| 10:28.46 | XinZhao | I dont like quicklaunches anymore |
| 10:29.02 | babilen | XinZhao: Please try to not hit enter whenever a comma or fullstop would do |
| 10:29.19 | missmbob | less power but uses unity. makes sense. |
| 10:29.50 | XinZhao | no dawg |
| 10:29.57 | XinZhao | I said I want something like unitys docker |
| 10:29.59 | XinZhao | for openbox |
| 10:30.07 | XinZhao | read if you're going to be salty |
| 10:30.08 | XinZhao | lol |
| 10:30.24 | missmbob | you really don't get the enter thing do you? |
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| 10:31.03 | XinZhao | missmbob, ;) |
| 10:31.13 | babilen | dpkg: enter |
| 10:31.13 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 10:33.14 | somiaj | XinZhao: the openbox community may have suggestions for docks to use. |
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| 10:51.15 | hardwary | hi |
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| 10:52.54 | gry | yeah hello hardwary |
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| 11:14.13 | XinZhao | argh |
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| 11:14.23 | XinZhao | I grabbed the unoffocial firmware iso |
| 11:14.36 | XinZhao | but still doesnt work from usb |
| 11:14.40 | XinZhao | thats so stupid |
| 11:14.54 | hardwary | efi stuff? |
| 11:15.07 | Voyager82 | Where can I put a script to be executed as root when the PC is started up? I'm trying to regulated the brightness of the screen, through the following command to be executed as root "echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/radeon_bl0/brightness", for all users. |
| 11:15.14 | Voyager82 | ? |
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| 11:15.55 | ksk | Voyager82: debian8? systemd "one time" job |
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| 11:17.26 | Voyager82 | ksk, I tried to put it in rc.local, but didn't work. Do you know why? |
| 11:17.35 | missmbob | XinZhao: how did you copy it to usb? |
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| 11:18.21 | babilen | XinZhao: What doesn't work? |
| 11:18.26 | teraflops | Voyager82: pass the correct param to grub instead doing echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/radeon_bl0/brightnes |
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| 11:18.54 | teraflops | Voyager82: like video.use_native_backlight=1 or whatever you need |
| 11:21.38 | Voyager82 | teraflops, /etc/default/grub? |
| 11:21.45 | teraflops | yep |
| 11:22.03 | teraflops | Voyager82: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=⦠|
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| 11:22.15 | teraflops | then update grub |
| 11:22.28 | teraflops | s/generate new config |
| 11:22.57 | Voyager82 | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/radeon_bl0/brightness"? |
| 11:23.20 | teraflops | nope ^ |
| 11:23.57 | teraflops | Voyager82: please re-read what I wrote |
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| 11:24.33 | Voyager82 | video.use_native_backlight=1 or whatever? |
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| 11:24.47 | teraflops | yes |
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| 11:27.20 | Voyager82 | teraflops, however, in my directory /sys/class/backlight, there are two subdirectories: acpi_video0 and radeon_bl0. I've already tried a line similar to yours, but didn't work. I can regulate the backlight from radeon_bl0, but not from acpi_video0. There must be a problem related to this fact. |
| 11:28.21 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 11:29.15 | tobiasBora | I have a little problem : when I connect my headset to my computer using bluetooth, only the profile A2DP sink works (good quality, but no microphone) |
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| 11:29.44 | Voyager82 | teraflops, "echo 10 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness" does not work, but "echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/radeon_bl0/brightness" does. |
| 11:30.08 | tobiasBora | When I try to switch to HSF/HFP (to have a microphone) I get the error in syslog : "pulseaudio[3223]: [pulseaudio] module-bluez5-device.c: Refused to switch profile to headset_head_unit: Not connected |
| 11:30.10 | tobiasBora | " |
| 11:30.16 | tobiasBora | Any idea to solve this problem ? |
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| 11:31.35 | teraflops | Voyager82: sorry? |
| 11:31.42 | teraflops | Voyager82: use grub ^ |
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| 11:34.45 | Voyager82 | teraflops, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_backlight=native"? |
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| 11:40.01 | teraflops | Voyager82: this is the 3rd time I tell you. pass the right acpi line according to your gpu |
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| 11:40.38 | ZhinZhao | gah |
| 11:40.45 | ZhinZhao | soz just hard locked my pc somehow lol |
| 11:40.54 | B[]rG | hehe |
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| 11:41.21 | teraflops | Voyager82: idk what is the right one I just told you that is better dealing with grub than echoing things to /sys/class/backlight |
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| 11:45.19 | ZhinZhao | cool |
| 11:45.29 | ZhinZhao | had to copy the files to /firmware |
| 11:45.32 | ZhinZhao | done/done |
| 11:45.42 | ZhinZhao | stupid that the one I needed still wasnt in unofficial |
| 11:45.51 | ZhinZhao | all done now though |
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| 11:46.33 | missmbob | ZhinZhao: it doesn't help that you don't answer questions and keep changing your nick |
| 11:46.51 | ZhinZhao | missmbob, I didnt see any because my pc hardlocked and I had to restart |
| 11:46.57 | ZhinZhao | the other nick hadnt ping timed out yet |
| 11:47.03 | ZhinZhao | honestly, read if you're going to be so salty |
| 11:47.04 | ZhinZhao | lol |
| 11:47.16 | teraflops | ಠ_ಠ|
| 11:48.31 | babilen | ZhinZhao: You don't have to do anything .. the installer complains, but you can just continue and firmware will be there and used. |
| 11:48.41 | ZhinZhao | babilen, lol meh |
| 11:48.46 | ZhinZhao | its all fixed |
| 11:48.51 | babilen | Which is why I asked |
| 11:49.00 | ZhinZhao | as I say just get firmware.zip and copy into /firmware/ on the bootable usb |
| 11:49.03 | ZhinZhao | done/done |
| 11:49.18 | ZhinZhao | and no, the firmware wasnt working for my wifi card |
| 11:49.18 | missmbob | no no. it just "doesnt work from usb" |
| 11:49.21 | ZhinZhao | so no network |
| 11:49.28 | ZhinZhao | missmbob, well, it just worked just fine from usb ;D |
| 11:49.36 | ZhinZhao | which once again I said 3 times |
| 11:49.37 | ZhinZhao | lol |
| 11:49.37 | missmbob | i was quoting you, moron |
| 11:49.43 | ZhinZhao | I didnt say that ;D |
| 11:49.50 | ZhinZhao | someone else did |
| 11:50.01 | ZhinZhao | lol |
| 11:50.03 | missmbob | ignore it is |
| 11:50.05 | ZhinZhao | cant catch a break today eh |
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| 11:50.25 | ZhinZhao | yes, call me a moron because you cant read ever and then im the one who needs ignoring |
| 11:50.27 | ZhinZhao | ^___^ |
| 11:50.30 | ZhinZhao | some people haha |
| 11:50.57 | ZhinZhao | thank you to whoever put me on to the firmware zip file thingy |
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| 11:53.01 | ZhinZhao | zero passing drives for encryption is sooo slowwwwww |
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| 12:03.25 | crazythings | hi. is debian ntp using root to sync time? |
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| 12:03.45 | crazythings | the daemon is running as ntp but i'm not able to filter any traffic by that user |
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| 12:09.00 | ksk | crazythings: for how long did you watch? Id expect it to only connect to a ntp server periodicly |
| 12:09.56 | crazythings | i tried to restart |
| 12:10.04 | crazythings | and i used tcpdump to see the ntp traffic |
| 12:10.33 | crazythings | packets are there but i don't get any matched on my iptables |
| 12:10.42 | crazythings | i've got a rule that math ntp user ... 0 packets |
| 12:11.09 | crazythings | atm i got no traffic even on root i'm so confused |
| 12:11.17 | OerHeks | watch port 123 ? |
| 12:11.20 | crazythings | yes |
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| 12:11.29 | crazythings | tcpdump udp port 123 |
| 12:11.38 | crazythings | on iptables i've got match owner uid ntp |
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| 12:11.54 | crazythings | now i add a simple 123 check |
| 12:11.59 | stoned | Good morning |
| 12:12.02 | stoned | <3 |
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| 12:13.00 | crazythings | OerHeks: ahah still no traffic even watching 123 with iptables |
| 12:13.07 | crazythings | it's like iptabes is ignoring udp? |
| 12:13.16 | crazythings | it doesn't.. it matches domain requests. |
| 12:13.26 | crazythings | but he can't see ntp |
| 12:13.43 | crazythings | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:13.46 | crazythings | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.06 | crazythings | i see on tcpdump lot of ntp traffic. and i restarted several times ntp daemon to start new connections |
| 12:14.20 | avian | crazythings, ntpd process runs as UID "ntp" and has CAP_SYS_TIME capability set. This is how it can set time without running as root. |
| 12:14.40 | crazythings | cool but why is ntp traffic invisible on iptables... :( |
| 12:14.51 | crazythings | does that CAP_SYS_TIME go behind iptables? |
| 12:15.15 | avian | crazythings, no. that has nothing to do with network. |
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| 12:15.24 | ksk | nah, its just to enable the user ntp setting something only root is allowed to |
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| 12:15.38 | crazythings | it's like ghost networking |
| 12:16.11 | crazythings | i've got OUTPUT on DROP and the usual cstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED allowed + couple of NEW state allowed. ntp+domain+root |
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| 12:16.26 | crazythings | but no packets get into ntp or root when i restart ntp. but i can see with tcpdump the traffic is there |
| 12:16.41 | ZhinZhao | gnome-panel vs xfce-panel? |
| 12:16.53 | crazythings | ZhinZhao: gnome on gnome xfce on xfce? |
| 12:17.08 | ZhinZhao | crazythings, im using openbox |
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| 12:17.12 | ZhinZhao | I just want a taskbar |
| 12:18.33 | crazythings | xfce ofc. gnome-panel require lot of deps |
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| 12:18.45 | ZhinZhao | cool, yeah good call thats what I was thinking too |
| 12:18.48 | crazythings | try yourself an apt-get install |
| 12:19.13 | ZhinZhao | yeah 13mb for xfce4-panel |
| 12:19.15 | ZhinZhao | lets see for gnome |
| 12:19.16 | ZhinZhao | lol |
| 12:19.33 | ZhinZhao | haha 791 mb |
| 12:19.34 | ZhinZhao | >.< |
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| 12:19.39 | Iridos | I'd try some of the independent task bars, definitely not the gnome one |
| 12:19.50 | ZhinZhao | any recommendations? |
| 12:19.56 | Rephlexie | tint2 is super light |
| 12:20.01 | ZhinZhao | openbox's docs just had a few recommendations |
| 12:20.09 | ZhinZhao | the panel I use will do the window decorations etc too no? |
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| 12:20.16 | crazythings | xfce one is pretty light anyway |
| 12:20.31 | crazythings | you can try without rec deps too |
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| 12:21.10 | arvind | when update-initramf is happening i see a lot of missing modules messages - this is on the vanilla just installed debian desktop box. |
| 12:21.11 | ZhinZhao | how do I make the panel start automatically in openbox |
| 12:21.12 | Iridos | searching doesn't even return so much: apt-cache search task bar |grep -v -i -e ^lib -e window.manager |
| 12:21.15 | ZhinZhao | oh there's a thing in the rtfm |
| 12:21.42 | Iridos | ZhinZhao, I think I'd try tint2, perl-panel and lxpanel, fbpanel |
| 12:22.01 | ZhinZhao | eh I was using lxpanel |
| 12:22.05 | ZhinZhao | it wasnt that great |
| 12:22.16 | ZhinZhao | was I right this handles my window decorations and stuff too? |
| 12:22.21 | ZhinZhao | or is that lightdm? |
| 12:22.29 | ZhinZhao | or openbox |
| 12:22.29 | ZhinZhao | lol |
| 12:22.31 | ZhinZhao | agg |
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| 12:22.32 | Iridos | no, the wm does that |
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| 12:25.00 | Iridos | ZhinZhao, I switched to lxde⦠that uses openbox as a wm and lxpanel |
| 12:25.13 | Iridos | seems ok to me⦠I don't really want so much from a DE |
| 12:25.17 | ZhinZhao | yeah thats where I used the lx panel |
| 12:25.21 | ZhinZhao | I just didnt really like it much |
| 12:25.29 | ZhinZhao | it seemed very well made just meh |
| 12:25.37 | ZhinZhao | I want something more custom I guess |
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| 12:25.50 | ZhinZhao | using lx reminded me of using windows 7 lol |
| 12:26.00 | Iridos | seems ok to me |
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| 12:26.10 | Iridos | dunno, I've never in my life really used windows |
| 12:26.16 | chriz | how to install nvidia driver debian? im using deepin OS base on debian, and install nvidia-detect and nvidia-driver,but i could use this card in blender, pls. help |
| 12:26.23 | ZhinZhao | how do I change the display that opens by default when the system boots? |
| 12:26.31 | ZhinZhao | its using display 1 (terminal) |
| 12:26.40 | ZhinZhao | I want display 7 or whatever |
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| 12:28.02 | teraflops | ZhinZhao: display? you mean tty right? |
| 12:28.28 | teraflops | unless you have 7 screens⦠|
| 12:28.41 | Iridos | chriz, ask #deepin, we can only answer for debian here |
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| 12:29.06 | ZhinZhao | sure |
| 12:29.06 | ZhinZhao | tat |
| 12:29.06 | ZhinZhao | that |
| 12:29.06 | ZhinZhao | lol |
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| 12:29.12 | Iridos | !next |
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| 12:29.13 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 12:29.18 | ZhinZhao | lol |
| 12:29.49 | Iridos | you might want to use punctuation instead of enter occasionally ^^ |
| 12:30.01 | ZhinZhao | sorry - bad habbit |
| 12:30.22 | ZhinZhao | it is debian anyway - im just using openbox and stuff :)) |
| 12:30.30 | teraflops | ZhinZhao: are you in debian jessie? |
| 12:30.35 | ZhinZhao | yeah |
| 12:30.43 | ZhinZhao | 8.6 or whatever |
| 12:30.46 | teraflops | you do DM or just startx? |
| 12:30.56 | ZhinZhao | im using lightdm |
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| 12:32.20 | asarch | Are there any guidelines to upgrade a PostgreSQL server in Debian? |
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| 12:33.45 | morf | hi |
| 12:33.47 | morf | is there some debian mobile channel? |
| 12:34.24 | arvind | when update-initramf is happening i see a lot of missing modules messages - this is on the vanilla just installed debian desktop box. Is this a bug or something to be concerned about? |
| 12:34.56 | arvind | Also I am looking for a timer, that tells me to get away from the computer ever hour or so - what app would you guys recommend? |
| 12:35.00 | teraflops | morf: is there debian for mobile? |
| 12:35.09 | morf | teraflops: sure |
| 12:35.20 | morf | https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile |
| 12:35.22 | chaosfisch | hi, if I download debian 8.6 now, will it contain 4.7+75~bpo8+1 kernel automatically? |
| 12:35.23 | morf | it's something in progress i guess |
| 12:36.29 | teraflops | morf: you mean chroot debian? |
| 12:36.48 | themill | chaosfisch: no |
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| 12:37.28 | chaosfisch | themill: thanks |
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| 12:40.22 | stoned | I want to work w/ mobile debian, really badly |
| 12:40.34 | stoned | I haven't got a phone that is open though. I have a Galaxy 5 |
| 12:41.02 | stoned | But as soon as I am able to acquire a phone that is open or otherwise rootable, I should be working w/ that. |
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| 12:41.18 | stoned | I did try Ubuntu phone on someone's pc but it seemed about as bloated as the distro itself. |
| 12:41.27 | stoned | s/pc/phone/ |
| 12:41.32 | teraflops | chrooting debian in a smartphone it not what I'd call debian for mobile⦠|
| 12:42.18 | morf | it shouldn't be so hard theoretically |
| 12:42.35 | morf | the only problem i guess is hw support / drivers |
| 12:42.43 | morf | but it's bit offtopic thanks anyway |
| 12:43.09 | morf | there is #debian-mobile irc.debian.org if you interested |
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| 12:48.45 | helpmeffs | Hello :) |
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| 12:51.18 | helpmeffs | which desktop interface is best for managing multiple windows / applications? |
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| 12:52.34 | morf | any? :) |
| 12:53.19 | helpmeffs | thanks! |
| 12:53.26 | helpmeffs | lmao |
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| 12:57.25 | missmbob | it really depends what you mean by windows. irssi has windows and you're fucked if you use it in pantheon-terminal, for instance |
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| 13:02.19 | slikts | can I set "most" to be the pager for all users? |
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| 13:03.16 | themill | update-alternatives --config pager |
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| 13:04.00 | slikts | nice, at least that's better than editing dotfiles |
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| 13:04.41 | themill | Of course any user can still set PAGER for themselves |
| 13:05.05 | slikts | I'm the only user |
| 13:05.41 | slikts | the others are a figment of my imagination |
| 13:06.02 | JohnA | Just updated to the latest stretch. Apache2 will not start systemd is complaining that it cannot find /usr/sbin/apache2ctl (its there, together with a symlink to apachectl) know problem? fix? |
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| 13:06.36 | themill | the bts would know |
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| 13:16.47 | ZhinZhao | hey how do I disable the boot menu timeout |
| 13:17.29 | missmbob | ZhinZhao: did you google disable grub timeout? |
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| 13:37.06 | daniel-s_ | Is this a bot? |
| 13:37.10 | daniel-s_ | [15:25:31] *** rany is now known as google. |
| 13:37.11 | daniel-s_ | [15:26:33] *** google is now known as iphone7. |
| 13:37.13 | daniel-s_ | [15:26:50] *** iphone7 is now known as Steve_Jobs. |
| 13:37.14 | daniel-s_ | [15:27:08] *** Steve_Jobs is now known as SteveJobs. |
| 13:37.16 | daniel-s_ | [15:27:35] *** SteveJobs is now known as Steve_Jobs. |
| 13:37.17 | daniel-s_ | [15:28:29] *** Steve_Jobs is now known as rany. |
| 13:37.19 | daniel-s_ | [15:35:51] *** rany is now known as Loracks. |
| 13:37.33 | morf | tripping hard |
| 13:37.55 | daniel-s_ | Also, I was going to ask anyone that has setup their own email server. Is it difficult to get Google to accept your SSL certificates? |
| 13:37.55 | missmbob | daniel-s_: thanks. we needed to be flooded with extra bullshit |
| 13:38.27 | daniel-s_ | Sorry, I mean, accept your emails wihtout SSL certificates. |
| 13:38.35 | Loracks | no i aint a bot yo |
| 13:38.44 | Loracks | im just lorax |
| 13:38.50 | Loracks | (an ircop) |
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| 13:39.06 | daniel-s_ | I have a server, but Google drops emails that originate from it. |
| 13:39.14 | missmbob | a #debian op you're not |
| 13:39.14 | ksk | daniel-s_: first of all, in email there is no checking of the SN of a cert, because then you had to do SNI for all the domains you serve on your cluster (no way to do that) |
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| 13:40.05 | ksk | (depending on how you setup a domain of course, if send mail to mx0.google.com google can setup a cert for that) |
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| 13:41.02 | ksk | also, google does not block mail withouth ssl by default; I could Issue a 'echo "test" |mail -s "test123" my@gmail.com' from my linux box right here and the mail will be in my inbox |
| 13:41.06 | ksk | they probably do not like you :> |
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| 13:42.33 | OpenTokix | daniel-s_: For your email to be accepted by google you need a correct smtp-setup. And one of them is to have a PTR record for your mail-server that is the same as your forward domain. And also a TXT SPF-record for your domain. |
| 13:43.01 | ZhinZhao | I keep getting errors from everything saying it cant connect to x11 |
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| 13:43.14 | ZhinZhao | but its running on tts 7 |
| 13:43.16 | ZhinZhao | er 8 |
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| 13:43.31 | ZhinZhao | $DISPLAY doesnt appear to be set |
| 13:43.38 | ZhinZhao | what would I set that to? 0:7? |
| 13:43.54 | babilen | "everything" ? |
| 13:43.55 | ZhinZhao | er :8 |
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| 13:44.55 | teraflops | google does not care about no having txt spf record |
| 13:45.31 | daniel-s_ | OK. Thanks everyone. |
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| 13:46.18 | ZhinZhao | ah its ok adding stuff to /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart does the trick just fine |
| 13:46.27 | teraflops | s/no/not |
| 13:46.28 | ZhinZhao | I should still figure out what $DISPLAY should be |
| 13:47.16 | ZhinZhao | is a log of who logs into root with su and when? |
| 13:47.22 | ZhinZhao | or can I enable one? |
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| 14:05.23 | jak2000 | greycat i have a windows machine copied same configuration, to linuxhow to force |
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| 14:05.32 | jak2000 | uninstall a package that is insstalled: apt-get install proxmox-ve |
| 14:05.35 | jak2000 | how to remove? |
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| 14:12.30 | blueflag | Hello, I have been unable to get my wifi-adapter to work. Are there any that will plug & play, currently using 725n |
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| 14:16.21 | teraflops | blueflag: is 725n a brand? a model? a what? |
| 14:16.50 | blueflag | abbreviation |
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| 14:17.38 | blueflag | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:18.26 | teraflops | also what did you try to "get the wifi-adapter to work"? |
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| 14:24.40 | blueflag | currently im trying to figure out how to edit sources.list, its read only. then im following a guide i found online |
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| 14:25.41 | babilen | blueflag: You would have to be root to do that or run your editor with sudo |
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| 14:26.46 | blueflag | oh thankyou :) |
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| 14:28.37 | blueflag | still not letting me comment out a line :/ |
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| 14:31.17 | blueflag | nvm i just cant use vi lol |
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| 14:33.43 | da3m0n22 | aloha, is there a way to list everything that hooks on events such as lid-closed or power-button-pressed ? i'm trying to debug, what hibernates my machine, when settings (logind, xfce4-power-manager) are set to suspend |
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| 14:34.15 | da3m0n22 | pm-is-supported is true for everything, and it worked like week ago before upgrades |
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| 14:35.08 | blueflag | apt-get install build-essential hangs @ 1%, is there a wireless adapter that works out of box for 8.6? |
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| 14:52.18 | spleen | Hello all, |
| 14:52.33 | spleen | i have an error with curl command |
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| 14:52.55 | spleen | i think it miss some quotes |
| 14:52.57 | spleen | curl --insecure --include -XPOST --user $user:$password $url --data-binary 'events title=$title, text=$text, tags=$tags' |
| 14:53.11 | spleen | what is the correct syntax ? |
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| 14:54.20 | da3m0n22 | spleen: whats content of variables? |
| 14:54.31 | greycat | Use double quotes instead of single quotes. |
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| 14:54.53 | greycat | Also use double quotes around "$user:$password" and "$url" |
| 14:55.10 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Quotes |
| 14:56.41 | `Kevin | ^ |
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| 14:56.53 | spleen | da3m0n22, {"error":"unable to parse 'events title=TEST, text=This is a test, tags=1476284098': invalid boolean"} |
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| 14:58.00 | greycat | Well, that's a question for whoever's web site you're sending this data string to. |
| 14:58.22 | greycat | You've got the variables expanding correctly now, which is all we can help you with. |
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| 14:59.39 | Crypto | how can i format the system > |
| 14:59.40 | Crypto | ? |
| 14:59.48 | Crypto | im using v box |
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| 15:01.09 | Guest20311 | how can i format my os debian on vbox? |
| 15:01.27 | tinyhippo | Guest20311: as in empty the disk or what |
| 15:01.50 | Guest20311 | tinyhippo nope its not empty , i already have the disk |
| 15:02.04 | Guest20311 | tinyhippo i just want to format it from terminal |
| 15:02.09 | tinyhippo | Guest20311: so you want to install debian onto a new virtualbox VM |
| 15:02.20 | Guest20311 | i already have it |
| 15:02.44 | tinyhippo | so debian is installed in a VM, in virtualbox |
| 15:02.51 | tinyhippo | what do you mean by "format" |
| 15:03.12 | Guest20311 | tinyhippo , i just got it image and there is alot of files i dont need and i want to format it |
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| 15:04.10 | tinyhippo | Guest20311: I really don't understand what you are trying to do. If you follow this tutorial, it will show you how to install Debian in a VirtualBox VM, http://www.brianlinkletter.com/installing-debian-linux-in-a-virtualbox-virtual-machine/ |
| 15:04.28 | tinyhippo | other than that, I don't think I can help you unless you describe what you are trying to do in a different way |
| 15:04.34 | Guest20311 | tinyhippo i already have the system but i want to format it |
| 15:04.51 | babilen | Guest20311: "format" doesn't really mean anything .. do you mean that you want to create a new filesystem? |
| 15:05.10 | tinyhippo | Guest20311: do you want to wipe the system you have installed, or something else? |
| 15:05.10 | babilen | Or delete it completely? |
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| 15:05.21 | Guest20311 | i mean the hard drive |
| 15:05.37 | tinyhippo | so you want to delete all of the files within the virtual machine? |
| 15:06.22 | Guest20311 | yes |
| 15:06.31 | tinyhippo | you realise that will break the debian installation? |
| 15:07.00 | tinyhippo | you could do rm -rf --no-preserve-root / |
| 15:07.05 | tinyhippo | but I would not recommend doing that. |
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| 15:07.30 | babilen | Guest20311: You have a virtual machine. If you want to get rid of it you could just delete it along with its image. |
| 15:07.31 | tinyhippo | and I would make sure that you have backups |
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| 15:08.23 | wfq | hi all |
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| 15:10.47 | wfq | My Debian, which I do not remember what version I was running, came up to the typical grub rescue> console. When typing ls I can see msdos7, 6, 5 and 2. However when doing ls (hd0,x) being x the number before I find "unknown filesystem" in all of them except msdos7. However I can't see anything else except lost+found and a couple of zips |
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| 15:11.14 | wfq | I believe I install Debian in one single partition |
| 15:11.27 | wfq | Any hint to follow please? |
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| 15:13.13 | jhutchins | wfq: Restore your backup. |
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| 15:13.48 | wfq | jhutchins, sorry what? Do you mean that it is gone?. |
| 15:14.09 | wfq | I can guess I can use a live usb to restore the partition somehow? |
| 15:15.01 | jhutchins | wfq: A live/rescue image might be easier to navigate than grub. |
| 15:15.53 | wfq | The problem is I have no idea what type of Debian I had installed |
| 15:16.33 | jhutchins | That's OK, you don't even need to use a debian image. systemrescuecd is pretty good. |
| 15:17.11 | jhutchins | You appear to have three partitions, plus the base logical partition. |
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| 15:18.04 | jhutchins | I think a live image would be easier to navigate, to find the release file in /etc if you need it, to run grub-install if necessary. |
| 15:18.12 | jhutchins | You probably want to run fsck. |
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| 15:18.47 | wfq | I am going to go down to using a live image |
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| 15:19.08 | wfq | forgot there must be 4/5 years I haven't done so |
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| 15:21.38 | wfq | jhutchins, can't I just use a netInstall boot it from an usb |
| 15:21.40 | wfq | ? |
| 15:25.27 | cluelessperson | Hi all, is there something wrong with this udev rule? |
| 15:25.28 | cluelessperson | SUBSYSTEM=="input", ATTRS{name}=="stmpe-ts", ENV{DEVNAME}=="*event*", SYMLINK+="input/touchscreen" |
| 15:25.32 | cluelessperson | I can't seem to get it to work |
| 15:25.45 | cluelessperson | Following these instructions |
| 15:25.45 | cluelessperson | https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-pitft-28-inch-resistive-touchscreen-display-raspberry-pi/touchscreen-install-and-calibrate |
| 15:25.56 | jhutchins | wfq: I'm not sure if netinstall has rescue mode. If it does, that would be sufficient. |
| 15:26.11 | wfq | I think it used to have |
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| 15:48.22 | simonsaysdiaf | if my /etc/debian_version says stretch/sid, what does that mean? |
| 15:48.32 | simonsaysdiaf | i was expecting it to say one or the other |
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| 15:48.53 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 15:48.53 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:57.03 | simonsaysdiaf | i see |
| 15:57.10 | simonsaysdiaf | so nobody here can even answer that one question? |
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| 15:57.52 | greycat | If we answer that, you'll ask another. |
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| 15:58.02 | wfq | I am not sure whether I am understanding well guys. Is this the way of creating a bootable usb stick?https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#write-usb |
| 15:58.08 | babilen | simonsaysdiaf: A lot of people in this channel are also in the other. It's just that testing and unstable are specifically supported in #debian-next |
| 15:58.08 | simonsaysdiaf | i promise i won't ask another question |
| 15:58.26 | wfq | Just using dd if= of=... Or is that just copying the iso? |
| 15:58.27 | greycat | wfq: the Debian install images are writable directly onto USB. Just cp foobar.iso /dev/sdwhatever |
| 15:58.30 | simonsaysdiaf | babilen: makes sense, i'd just rather not configure another irc network |
| 15:58.44 | Hello71 | greycat: that's what the instructions say |
| 15:59.03 | babilen | dpkg: otherchannel simonsaysdiaf #debian-next irc.oftc.net |
| 15:59.03 | dpkg | simonsaysdiaf: The channel you are looking for is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Please do /server irc.oftc.net and then /join #debian-next. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-next |
| 15:59.25 | wfq | greycat, sure but would that be bootable? That is what I don't understand well |
| 15:59.35 | simonsaysdiaf | yes i know how to connect to other irc network. i'm just banned from that one |
| 15:59.41 | simonsaysdiaf | or rather |
| 15:59.44 | simonsaysdiaf | my host is |
| 15:59.45 | Hello71 | hm, do any GNU coreutils use splice(2) |
| 15:59.50 | greycat | Yes, the debian install images, written to a USB "disk", can be booted as long as the target machine is capable of booting a USB "disk". |
| 15:59.51 | babilen | wfq: You can use dd or cp (faster by default) and the command would look something like "cp /path/to/the.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" (with /dev/sdb being your usb stick) |
| 16:00.21 | Hello71 | wfq: what use exactly would it be if it isn't |
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| 16:00.48 | babilen | simonsaysdiaf: Packages constantly migrate from unstable to testing. My recommendation would be to keep both testing and unstable in your sources.list and to set the default release to testing if you want to track that (cf. /msg dpkg tum) |
| 16:01.11 | wfq | Ok. In the past or last time I did many years ago one had to make the usb bootable. Sorry fi I am outdated :). I actually did dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync |
| 16:01.11 | simonsaysdiaf | babilen: thank you :) |
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| 16:01.52 | babilen | wfq: That should have worked .. I prefer "cp <file> <device>" (less to type), but the result is the same |
| 16:02.15 | greycat | And it should be an *install* image, NOT a live image. |
| 16:02.24 | greycat | The live images are pretty bad right now. |
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| 16:02.35 | babilen | Indeed |
| 16:02.44 | arvind | i am looking for an app that functions as atimeer where it says or forces me to take a break |
| 16:03.05 | arvind | Any reccomendations? |
| 16:03.11 | wfq | sure, it is: debian-8.6.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:03.12 | bibble | I'm looking for a good android version |
| 16:03.39 | bibble | guess just set an alarm, for say every hour. |
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| 16:04.05 | arvind | also my phone does not show up when I plug it in. Looking at dmesg i can see that it gets regonized and that the devices is found |
| 16:04.08 | babilen | wfq: Are you sure you want the i386 and not the amd64 image? On what kind of hardware are you installing? |
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| 16:05.21 | wfq | babilen, it is a laptop from 2011. It should actualy be amd64 |
| 16:05.38 | babilen | aye |
| 16:05.41 | greycat | The latest installer is a hybrid i386/amd64 image, which I have not personally used yet. |
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| 16:05.53 | babilen | I mean .. feel free to install i386 |
| 16:06.04 | wfq | but the lapto does not recognise the usb. I am gong to try somewhere else |
| 16:06.10 | babilen | greycat: All of them? I thought that's a special iso. |
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| 16:06.33 | greycat | you may have to go into the laptop's firmware/boot menu to tell it to boot from USB, or it may simply be incapable and then you would have to boot a real CD |
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| 16:07.08 | greycat | babilen: I mean the green/white box on the front page, www.debian.org => http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.6.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 16:07.19 | babilen | Yeah, that's a hybrid one |
| 16:07.43 | greycat | I haven't done an install since those were made. |
| 16:07.46 | wfq | greycat I did that is why i am going to try somewhere else to ensure that is not my laptop that is asking being replaced ;) |
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| 16:26.10 | al3xv3gas | Easiest way/compiler/tool to distribute a python script as a debian package? |
| 16:26.43 | wfq | the usb stick doesn't seem to boot |
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| 16:26.57 | jimis | Hello all, I'm trying to find "apt-ftparchive" source code as a tarball, so that I can build it on CentOS; Anyone got any pointers? |
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| 16:28.43 | wfq | I can see what it seems all relevant files and even a setup.exe but no even so |
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| 16:41.44 | wfq | I finally could boot it. However it is asking me to choose the root file system. I have no idea in which partition actually was. It seems that I actually created different partitions for / /user /var etc... as my sda is heavily partitioned. |
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| 17:00.28 | remanos | hi all |
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| 17:05.48 | vagrus | hi |
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| 17:05.59 | vagrus | What is the difference between rsync and unison exactly? :) |
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| 17:06.06 | vagrus | unison seems to be a more bidrectionally oriented? |
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| 17:06.23 | Iridos | well, wtf is unison |
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| 17:07.05 | th0r_ | no, unison is not wtf |
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| 17:07.15 | ZhinZhao | thanks to everyone whos helped today, my new openbox install is totally awesome |
| 17:07.24 | Iridos | and it's also not well? |
| 17:07.26 | ZhinZhao | only one thing isnt working |
| 17:07.26 | ZhinZhao | auto login |
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| 17:11.10 | Iridos | and that was, btw, an answer⦠rsync is a standard tool that has been around for ages and that everyone uses, unison is not |
| 17:11.24 | vagrus | I see |
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| 17:12.35 | vagrus | apparently unison isn't in development anymore anyway :/ |
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| 17:13.30 | Iridos | I was just going to say⦠perhaps unison doesn't use the concept of "comfortable use" from the 80ies anymore, though |
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| 17:13.56 | vagrus | "comfortable use" in terms of *nix philosophy? |
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| 17:14.39 | Iridos | I'd say more general than that⦠|
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| 17:16.33 | Iridos | emacs or vi aren't actually much unix philosophy |
| 17:16.38 | Iridos | but that's getting to philosophic |
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| 17:22.04 | Iridos | Unison requires no root privileges, system access or kernel changes to function. |
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| 17:22.08 | Iridos | err⦠yeah |
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| 17:23.14 | cdb23ax | hello i have a app that is crashing in debian called srcds. i tried gdb but it says Failed to read a valid object file image from memory. |
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| 17:25.15 | Iridos | there is nothing in debian called srcds |
| 17:25.49 | greycat | if the question is "how 2 gdb", there are basically 3 paths. First, if you have a core file, you do "gdb /path/to/srcds core" and then backtrace or whatever. |
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| 17:26.06 | greycat | Second, if you have a running process, you can attach to it by PID (process ID). |
| 17:26.32 | greycat | Third, if you have neither, you can use "gdb /path/to/srcds" and set breakpoints or whatever, and then run the process "in" gdb. Then if it crashes, gdb will take over. |
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| 17:26.41 | cdb23ax | the output is http://pastebin.com/5CP6hzwf |
| 17:27.14 | cdb23ax | here it is discribed i did it exactly how they mentioned https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Debugging_under_Linux |
| 17:27.30 | cdb23ax | i issued gdb ./srcds_i686 core |
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| 17:28.35 | cdb23ax | i started srcds under a condition that it should normally work without gdb |
| 17:28.45 | cdb23ax | but it just hangs at gdb and srcds is stopped |
| 17:29.07 | cdb23ax | without gdb its running |
| 17:29.08 | greycat | When analyzing a core file, usually you want to run "backtrace" and then send the full output to a programmer who can read it. |
| 17:29.30 | cdb23ax | my problem is that iam just a server admin who tries to fix an error in this app |
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| 17:29.43 | cdb23ax | iam not a prgrammer |
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| 17:29.55 | greycat | You'll need to get in touch with the supporters/developers of this program. |
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| 17:30.23 | cdb23ax | the problem is it is a plugin which is loaded during startup |
| 17:30.30 | cdb23ax | then the srcds app crahes |
| 17:30.34 | Iridos | is it possible you have ulimit -c set to something smaller than "unlimited"? |
| 17:30.40 | cdb23ax | the developer is not there for plugins |
| 17:31.05 | cdb23ax | its 20000 |
| 17:31.26 | Iridos | I guess that's why you get BFD: Warning: /home/gods1/core is truncated: expected core file size >= 226975744, found: 999424. |
| 17:31.32 | greycat | A truncated core file is typically not useful. |
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| 17:34.33 | cdb23ax | ok how can i set it to unlimited |
| 17:34.34 | Iridos | although I cannot explain how 20K fits together with 999424 |
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| 17:35.02 | cdb23ax | i tried ulimit -c unlimited |
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| 17:35.07 | cdb23ax | but same output as before |
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| 17:36.06 | greycat | ulimit -c is in "blocks" |
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| 17:37.54 | Iridos | ah. one of the most obvious units in linux |
| 17:39.10 | Iridos | but then it's 10 times smaller than ulimit would allow |
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| 17:39.34 | cdb23ax | ulimit -a says core file size (blocks, -c) unlimited |
| 17:39.45 | cdb23ax | but same output |
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| 17:40.08 | Iridos | anyway, if you can trigger the bug at will, just run the program under gdb or connect to the pid as greycat suggested⦠|
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| 17:40.10 | greycat | Did you *rerun* this thing after changing the ulimit, and generate a *new* core file? |
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| 17:40.25 | Iridos | heh |
| 17:40.40 | greycat | Changing the ulimit won't magically un-truncate an old core file. |
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| 17:44.11 | cdb23ax | where is the core file located? |
| 17:44.46 | greycat | In the process's current working directory. |
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| 17:44.54 | greycat | Assuming it had write privileges. |
| 17:45.01 | cdb23ax | yes there was a file named core |
| 17:45.04 | cdb23ax | i deleted it |
| 17:45.07 | cdb23ax | but same error |
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| 17:45.31 | greycat | I don't know what "same error" means. What did you do, and what happened? |
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| 17:46.55 | new-nick | Hi there |
| 17:47.04 | new-nick | Trying to use netbeans on Debian Jessie |
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| 17:47.13 | new-nick | no package avail for jessie. is it fine to download and use netbeans as any Java application rather than installing as package for Debian jessie |
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| 17:47.26 | ZhinZhao | hey peeps I cant get this debian install to ditch its old dhcp lease |
| 17:47.32 | ZhinZhao | it should have a new one reserved in the router |
| 17:47.40 | ZhinZhao | ive got the host name and mac address set correctly |
| 17:47.43 | ZhinZhao | reset the router |
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| 17:47.51 | ZhinZhao | bought the interface down and back up |
| 17:47.58 | ZhinZhao | still .7 when it should be .2 |
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| 17:49.09 | new-nick | Will netbeans works well without installin as Debian package (jessie) ? |
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| 17:51.24 | squigz | What type of fs do I need for a live USB of Debian? |
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| 17:52.09 | mtn | squigz: when you burn an iso to an usb, it overwrites everything. so, you don't need to worry about it. |
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| 17:52.39 | squigz | mtn: I can just use dd on the whole disk instead of a prtition? |
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| 17:53.02 | greycat | squigz: there is no other way. |
| 17:53.05 | missmbob | squigz: that's how you have to do it |
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| 17:53.07 | mtn | squigz: that is what you are supposed to do. never to the partition |
| 17:53.10 | greycat | Using a partition would not work. |
| 17:53.15 | squigz | Ah |
| 17:53.26 | squigz | Hnece my trial and error with unetbootin/dd/etc |
| 17:53.28 | squigz | Thanks |
| 17:53.41 | missmbob | also never again mention or use unetbootin |
| 17:53.48 | squigz | I don't anymore :P |
| 17:53.54 | squigz | What is the recommended GUI tool now? |
| 17:54.07 | ZhinZhao | rufus is good for windows ^_^ |
| 17:54.11 | missmbob | fuck no |
| 17:54.14 | missmbob | dont use rufus |
| 17:54.14 | squigz | Yeah I've heard of Rufus |
| 17:54.17 | squigz | Ooh |
| 17:54.20 | missmbob | !rufus |
| 17:54.20 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 17:54.25 | sh00p | wait, what's so horrible about unetbootin |
| 17:54.32 | missmbob | !unetbootin |
| 17:54.32 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 17:54.33 | ZhinZhao | lol, I just did the install using rufus |
| 17:54.37 | ZhinZhao | no problems at all |
| 17:54.41 | missmbob | ZhinZhao: great. you got lucky |
| 17:54.42 | squigz | "cruel and unusual ways" |
| 17:54.43 | squigz | love it |
| 17:54.45 | ZhinZhao | I feel lucky |
| 17:54.49 | ZhinZhao | Ive done it many times |
| 17:54.51 | ZhinZhao | lol |
| 17:55.00 | squigz | I have too, but it sometimes doesn't work |
| 17:55.01 | greycat | Why would you EVER do it more than once? |
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| 17:55.12 | greycat | Once you've installed Debian once, you can use Debian to write the images to media. |
| 17:55.31 | vagrus | bootstrapping then! |
| 17:55.41 | ZhinZhao | ive only got 1 debian machine |
| 17:55.46 | ZhinZhao | so if something goes haywire with it |
| 17:55.53 | ZhinZhao | and I dont have install media.. |
| 17:56.02 | squigz | ^ |
| 17:56.03 | missmbob | haywire? wtf are you doing with it? |
| 17:56.11 | OerHeks | i would try etcher, multi platform see http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/etcher-usb-image-burner-tool-linux-open-source |
| 17:56.15 | missmbob | we're talking debian stable, right? |
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| 17:56.21 | ZhinZhao | you know, cracking some eggs to make the omlette |
| 17:56.22 | ZhinZhao | ;D |
| 17:56.24 | missmbob | !etcher |
| 17:56.24 | dpkg | methinks etcher is initial testing shows etcher is not a reliable way to copy debian images for installation. instead use cp or dd for linux, or win32diskimager for windows. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 17:56.44 | ZhinZhao | heyy |
| 17:56.55 | ZhinZhao | is there a way to run dropbox without having it as an open app? |
| 17:56.57 | squigz | I realize I'm actually trying to create an Ubuntu USB. Same premise, or should I go bug #ubuntu |
| 17:57.07 | ZhinZhao | squigz, #ubuntu |
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| 17:57.23 | missmbob | squigz: not the same at all. that's why most of those crap tools work with ubuntu but not debian |
| 17:57.31 | squigz | missmbob: right, figured. thank you |
| 17:57.34 | squigz | ZhinZhao: you too |
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| 17:58.00 | rozie | squigz: depends what you are trying to achiveve with "live usb debian" |
| 17:58.20 | squigz | rozie: I'm actually trying to do Ubuntu, my mistake |
| 17:58.21 | rozie | if you just want portable Debian - install it on usb just like on hard disk |
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| 17:58.43 | rozie | install grub there and boot from CD |
| 17:58.49 | rozie | should work |
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| 17:59.25 | greycat | as long as you don't need it to be "portable" across systems that require the weird nvidia or ATI drivers |
| 18:00.03 | rozie | true |
| 18:00.04 | jelly-home | or any non-free firmware |
| 18:00.19 | rozie | jelly-home: you can install all non-free firmware there ;) |
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| 18:00.34 | jelly-home | rozie: and you can install weird nvidia or amd drivers, too |
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| 18:00.42 | greycat | Can you install both of them simultaneously? |
| 18:00.55 | rozie | I guess Xorg won't change config on the fly |
| 18:01.01 | greycat | Can you use a disk with the weird nvidia drivers installed, on a system that needs the free ones? |
| 18:01.09 | jelly-home | greycat: was that "or" an inclusive one? |
| 18:01.47 | squigz | For the future, Ubuntu seems to not require any different procedures for creating a Live USB |
| 18:01.51 | squigz | just dd the iso and set the boot flag |
| 18:01.52 | greycat | jelly-home: I'm imagining 1 system that needs weird nvidia, 1 that needs weird ATI, and 1 that needs both of them to be absent, though I guess the third system really just needs *one* of them to be absent. |
| 18:01.55 | crazythings | heeeey. so i report again my cool issue: ntp is able to use network even if not allowed by iptables and if i write any rule to try to catch the traffic iptables match 0 packets... i even dumped with tcpdump and saw that ntp traffic is there on the port 123. but nothing to detect with iptables... so weird and scary at the same time. someone know what's wrong with ntp daemon? what kind of magic trick debian did |
| 18:01.57 | greycat | Not my forte. |
| 18:01.57 | crazythings | there? |
| 18:02.14 | squigz | Thanks for the help guys, gotta go |
| 18:02.16 | missmbob | squigz: forget the boot flag. that hasnt been a thing in many years |
| 18:02.23 | squigz | missmbob: Oh, awesome, thank you |
| 18:02.35 | jelly-home | crazythings: is it a virtualized or physical system? |
| 18:02.41 | greycat | crazythings: did you firewall TCP, UDP, or both? |
| 18:03.35 | crazythings | everything by the daemon user + only udp on port 123 since i'm using 'tcpdump udp port 123' and i see the traffic there. |
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| 18:04.07 | crazythings | the scary thing is working without any rule that allow it to work. so is not just a misscounted thing... it's like iptables is ignoring that kind of traffic |
| 18:04.30 | jelly-home | crazythings: also, which debian release? |
| 18:04.32 | crazythings | jelly-home: is physical armel machine |
| 18:04.38 | crazythings | current! jessie 8 |
| 18:04.47 | jelly-home | crazythings: what does "uname -a" say |
| 18:05.11 | crazythings | that is up to date eheh :) i've got the custom kernel/firmware by raspberrypi |
| 18:05.12 | jelly-home | crazythings: pastebin that, and output of "iptables-save" |
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| 18:05.17 | crazythings | ok wait |
| 18:05.28 | jelly-home | crazythings: are you sure you're on Debian and not raspbian? |
| 18:05.41 | crazythings | yep! used debootstrap myself :) |
| 18:05.50 | jelly-home | but it's not a debian kernel? |
| 18:05.56 | croddy | ahahahaha |
| 18:06.07 | crazythings | nope. i need the official by the foundation to boot |
| 18:06.09 | jelly-home | waits for uname -a and iptables-save |
| 18:06.16 | crazythings | gimme time... |
| 18:06.23 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 18:06.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 18:10.24 | madprops | I need to install a newer version of mod_wsgi for py that seems to be outdated in the repos ... should I just compile it? |
| 18:10.42 | crazythings | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ba8374a2/ |
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| 18:11.47 | crazythings | the last rule detect 0 packets and if i remove it ntp is still working |
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| 18:13.17 | missmbob | crazythings: why do you feel the need to hide things you openly paste in irc? |
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| 18:13.34 | jelly | crazythings: your machine initiates conversation with ntp peers. I guess conntrack probably takes the return traffic as "RELATED" |
| 18:13.52 | jelly | missmbob: why the hell does it matter? |
| 18:13.53 | crazythings | jelly: yeah but where are the initial packets? 0 matches |
| 18:14.14 | crazythings | missmbob: since i don't like useless noise |
| 18:14.16 | jelly | crazythings: I don't see the counters from here, sorry |
| 18:14.27 | crazythings | jelly: i'll give you wait |
| 18:15.01 | forgotmynick | if an IP is dropped using https://paste.linux.community/view/fc827192 -- how do i unblock it? |
| 18:15.42 | jelly | crazythings: restart ntp service, look at the counters for rule 1 in INPUT and rule 1 in OUTPUT before and 15 seconds after the restart |
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| 18:16.27 | crazythings | jelly:http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9cba4ba6/ |
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| 18:16.39 | crazythings | i tried of course to restart ntp lot of time even with pause between |
| 18:17.25 | teraflops | forgotmynick: man iptables? iptables [-t table] -D chain rulenum |
| 18:17.45 | jelly | that's only OUTPUT and I can't say if it's before or after. Comparing the two is the goal, and making sure no other traffic goes thru in the meantime |
| 18:18.01 | forgotmynick | teraflops: ?? |
| 18:18.08 | crazythings | jelly: it just get higher the related one.. that output is from the beginning of the test.. |
| 18:18.15 | jelly | crazythings: that means doing it at the console not ssh, and probably making sure no other network-talkative services are running |
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| 18:18.44 | teraflops | forgotmynick: sorry? |
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| 18:19.05 | missmbob | can any irssi genius tell me why it randomly highlights nicks? teraflops was highlighted the last two times for reasons i cant understand |
| 18:19.09 | arvind | zswap - anyone using this for desktop? |
| 18:19.19 | arvind | notice any differences? |
| 18:19.24 | teraflops | heh |
| 18:19.30 | jelly | or just set up a rule to just log -m udp --dport 123 on OUTPUT and -m udp --sport 123 on INPUT, before the conntrack rule |
| 18:19.40 | greycat | You probably have a weird /hilight setting |
| 18:19.41 | jelly | arvind: no, using zram. |
| 18:20.03 | jelly | it's useful sometimes. |
| 18:20.05 | crazythings | jelly: i get 2 new packet by root when i restart ntp |
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| 18:20.11 | missmbob | greycat: i dont even know how to use /hilight so i doubt i did that |
| 18:20.11 | arvind | jelly, have you used zswap before? Curious to know more about the claims? Currently have 3gb ram |
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| 18:20.23 | crazythings | but ntpd run as ntp so what's going on? |
| 18:20.24 | greycat | missmbob: well, type "/hilight" with no args to see what the current ones are... |
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| 18:20.37 | jelly | arvind: I have taken a look at all three z* things and decided zram best fits my needs |
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| 18:20.49 | crazythings | jelly: and lot of new domain requests. |
| 18:20.49 | missmbob | greycat: 18:20 1 nick <-- that's it |
| 18:21.00 | forgotmynick | teraflops: apology accepted |
| 18:21.02 | greycat | Then I don't know -- ask #irssi? |
| 18:21.08 | missmbob | fair enough |
| 18:21.28 | arvind | jelly you use no swap partition for desktop? |
| 18:21.54 | teraflops | greycat: sorry for highlight you, you did an irss script for dealing with unicode glyphs on tty? |
| 18:21.55 | arvind | jelly, bit curious here :) |
| 18:21.56 | greycat | missmbob: or... hm. Maybe it literally means it's matching the string "nick" instead of your nickname? |
| 18:22.06 | crazythings | jelly: i was thinking that maybe in some weird way ntp were using domain port since it get lot of packets there but... in tcpdump i can see is all port 123. the only thing that could helping ntp daemon is root but why is root opening things to ntp daemon? |
| 18:22.10 | greycat | teraflops: on a Latin-1 system. yes. |
| 18:22.19 | greycat | It would not be useful to anyone on UTF-8. |
| 18:22.28 | teraflops | greycat: you put it somewhere in he intertubes? |
| 18:22.32 | missmbob | greycat: damn. i think you're right |
| 18:22.45 | jelly | arvind: I have swap on zram, sized at 66% or total RAM, and a tiny .5GB swap partition on SSD |
| 18:22.46 | teraflops | forgotmynick: I wasnt apologizing |
| 18:22.51 | teraflops | s/the* |
| 18:22.57 | teraflops | holy lag |
| 18:22.57 | jelly | s/or/of/ |
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| 18:23.34 | greycat | teraflops: http://wooledge.org/~greg/curly.pl.txt |
| 18:23.43 | teraflops | greycat: thank you very much |
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| 18:24.03 | jelly | arvind: it makes chrome accept a couple dozen more tabs, and a couple more hours before it becomes unusable |
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| 18:24.19 | crazythings | jelly: after restarting ntp and waited for 1-2 mins: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ae42c4f6/ |
| 18:24.44 | crazythings | jelly: but i can see with tcpdump with udp port 123 like 100 packets meantime |
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| 18:25.31 | crazythings | i've got an idea i try to catch as uuid root traffic on 123 |
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| 18:25.40 | ZhinZhao | hey is there a quick little line I can put in a .sh file to 'set the current users home to the current working directory' |
| 18:25.42 | ZhinZhao | :) |
| 18:25.48 | greycat | ZhinZhao: no. |
| 18:25.59 | ZhinZhao | er sorry |
| 18:26.01 | ZhinZhao | not home |
| 18:26.02 | crazythings | yes? |
| 18:26.05 | greycat | Changing the user's home directory involves writing to the /etc/passwd file. Which requires root. |
| 18:26.06 | jelly | crazythings: there's a couple hundreds between 16551 and 17814 |
| 18:26.07 | ZhinZhao | like, their initial cwd |
| 18:26.16 | crazythings | just reset $HOME? |
| 18:26.17 | missmbob | greycat: i did /dehilight 1. mind testing it to make sure my own nick still hilights? |
| 18:26.18 | ZhinZhao | where their terminals open sorry |
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| 18:26.39 | greycat | ZhinZhao: You mean changing the window manager's current working directory? No. |
| 18:26.50 | ZhinZhao | greycat, no, the users default one |
| 18:26.52 | ZhinZhao | :/ |
| 18:27.00 | crazythings | permanently? |
| 18:27.03 | greycat | ZhinZhao: The terminal inherits working directory from the window manager. |
| 18:27.09 | ZhinZhao | well perm til changed crazythings |
| 18:27.13 | ZhinZhao | ideally |
| 18:27.21 | crazythings | changed what? working directory? |
| 18:27.25 | greycat | It is part of the inherited aspects of processes, like environment variables and ulimits. |
| 18:27.34 | ZhinZhao | crazythings, yeah like im a dev |
| 18:27.39 | ZhinZhao | so sometimes where im working will be like |
| 18:27.40 | jelly | crazythings: ntpd does not run as root by default on debian, it drops privs very early |
| 18:27.42 | ZhinZhao | 8 directories deep lol |
| 18:27.52 | ZhinZhao | its a pain to always navigate there |
| 18:27.57 | crazythings | jelly: i know but i can't really filter any NEW packets by ntp daemon... |
| 18:28.04 | greycat | You could create a quick shell alias that cd's to this place. |
| 18:28.10 | greycat | Then type that in each new term. |
| 18:28.18 | crazythings | lemme try the root trick just in case something is missconfigured |
| 18:28.28 | ZhinZhao | theres got to be a way to trigger a thing for a new terminal |
| 18:28.35 | forgotmynick | teraflops: you were and I forgave you. No take backs |
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| 18:28.48 | teraflops | ok ;P |
| 18:28.49 | ZhinZhao | im using lxterm or whatever |
| 18:28.55 | jelly | crazythings: eh, I've proposed a way to verify they end up accepted in the ctstate rule, stop all other traffic, look at numbers |
| 18:29.12 | teraflops | forgotmynick: at least did you get what I said about iptables? |
| 18:29.26 | greycat | ZhinZhao: You could put a cd command in ~/.bashrc and each new terminal AND each new shell-escaped instance of bash would run that. |
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| 18:30.51 | crazythings | jelly: let's say it's our case. how i reset cstate status of ntp connections? |
| 18:31.04 | jelly | no idea |
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| 18:31.23 | ZhinZhao | greycat, perfect |
| 18:31.34 | ZhinZhao | so then how do I make that so I can do like ./sethere |
| 18:31.37 | jelly | crazythings: maybe flush rules, unload kernel modules? |
| 18:31.40 | ZhinZhao | er or sethere |
| 18:31.46 | ZhinZhao | and it changes the string to cd to |
| 18:31.55 | jelly | but I think once you get conntrack going there's no stopping it |
| 18:31.59 | crazythings | jelly: i restart the network daemon maybe? |
| 18:32.05 | jelly | that won't help |
| 18:32.07 | missmbob | i'd ask #netfilter |
| 18:32.16 | jelly | there is no "network daemon" to speak of |
| 18:32.17 | missmbob | jesus now jelly was hilighted |
| 18:32.27 | jelly | no i wasn't! |
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| 18:33.00 | teraflops | missmbob: your irc client is officially borked |
| 18:33.21 | missmbob | teraflops: it's irssi from jessie-backports :( |
| 18:33.38 | jelly | get a decent client, like hexchat :-D |
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| 18:33.43 | missmbob | heh |
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| 18:33.51 | fredl | 'lo |
| 18:33.51 | teraflops | I do weechat from backports it works like a dream :P |
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| 18:34.25 | jmcnaught | missmbob: irssi from jessie here. are you using any scripts like nickcolor.pl? |
| 18:34.33 | fredl | does postfix on Jessie *always* run chrooted, regardless of what's in master.cf ? |
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| 18:35.11 | missmbob | jmcnaught: adv_windowlist.pl decurler.pl scriptassist.pl smartfilter.pl |
| 18:35.25 | jelly | fredl: no |
| 18:35.33 | fredl | hmm, tnx |
| 18:36.06 | jelly | that'd be kind of insane |
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| 18:36.24 | fredl | it would be yeah |
| 18:36.39 | fredl | But I've read on several sources that chroot postfix is default on Debian |
| 18:36.51 | jelly | once you fix your master.cf it stays fixed |
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| 18:36.55 | fredl | And as I don't see a 'y' in main.cf I was wondering |
| 18:37.10 | jelly | you wouldn't see it in main.cf, no :-) |
| 18:37.30 | fredl | well master.cf |
| 18:37.36 | fredl | schmuck :P |
| 18:37.41 | fredl | I keep confusing the two |
| 18:38.15 | jelly | the meaning of "default" should be sufficiently clear |
| 18:38.23 | jelly | usually a default can be CHANGED |
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| 18:38.51 | fredl | yeah but my master.cf is unchanged, well at least that line I believe |
| 18:39.27 | fredl | but perhaps I'm hallucinating. At least I have a '-' under chroot there now |
| 18:39.31 | jelly | smtp unix - - y - - smtp # debian's silly default, for that and two dozen other postfix services |
| 18:39.47 | jelly | - means (yes) |
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| 18:39.57 | fredl | ah! |
| 18:40.03 | jelly | see the comment above |
| 18:40.05 | fredl | okay so then it IS chroot |
| 18:40.09 | fredl | yeah I gotcha |
| 18:41.00 | fredl | Good then at least I haven't added an /etc/default/saslauthd-postfix for no reason whatsoever :) |
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| 18:41.52 | jelly | or change /etc/default/saslauthd from the default |
| 18:42.08 | jelly | or use the slightly saner dovecot SASL instead of cyrus SASL |
| 18:42.09 | fredl | So... am I right that to make the new instance of saslauthd listen to postfix, I need to put NAME="smtpd" in there? |
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| 18:42.24 | jelly | dunno about "other instance", sorry |
| 18:42.41 | jelly | I either have one saslauthd or none and use dovecot |
| 18:43.20 | fredl | I'm not sure if it's called Cyrus or dovcot SASL jelly.... /etc/default/saslauthd is in sasl2-bin package |
| 18:43.28 | jelly | that's cyrus sasl |
| 18:43.53 | fredl | ok |
| 18:44.02 | jelly | apt-cache show sasl2-bin|grep Source |
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| 18:44.26 | fredl | So dovecot is actually *simple* as the first S in SASL implies? :D |
| 18:44.35 | fredl | well dovecot SASL |
| 18:44.49 | fredl | because I don't find Cyrus sasl simple at ALL |
| 18:44.58 | jelly | not really, but if you already have dovecot up and running and auth'ing it's easy enough |
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| 18:45.14 | fredl | dovecot is imap isn't it? |
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| 18:45.30 | fredl | I have courier imap now |
| 18:45.49 | fredl | don't ask me why, think it's a remnant of using Exim |
| 18:46.49 | fredl | I've been trying to stay away from migrating that as well as my IMAP server seems to be the only thing reliably working right now :P |
| 18:47.01 | fredl | well of mail, that is |
| 18:47.26 | fredl | jelly - you know postfixadmin ? |
| 18:47.27 | jelly | dovecot is pop3, imap and some internal things |
| 18:47.30 | jelly | no |
| 18:47.35 | fredl | oh... |
| 18:47.38 | jelly | i AM a postfix admin |
| 18:47.40 | jelly | hides |
| 18:47.45 | fredl | hah |
| 18:47.52 | teraflops | jelly: my condolences :P |
| 18:47.52 | fredl | well |
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| 18:48.06 | missmbob | teraflops: really? that's what i use, too. i like it |
| 18:48.13 | teraflops | not for postfix itself |
| 18:48.17 | jelly | teraflops: no, it's great compared to what was there before |
| 18:48.19 | missmbob | heh |
| 18:48.20 | teraflops | just email is a pain in the ass |
| 18:48.25 | fredl | postfixadmin is so so, it makes adding users to domains etc. easier for people who just wanna control their own domain |
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| 18:49.04 | teraflops | well I do postfix + dovecot too |
| 18:49.18 | fredl | but I'd like to know if I can make dovecot and dovecot SASL use those authentications in mysql database succesfully |
| 18:49.38 | fredl | well fuckit, I'll go try out dovecot :) |
| 18:50.01 | jelly | points fredl to wiki2.dovecot.org and #dovecot |
| 18:50.23 | fredl | I just think it's a really weird name |
| 18:50.26 | fredl | 'dovecot' |
| 18:50.30 | jelly | courier isn't bad either I hear |
| 18:50.50 | fredl | well courier uses authdaemon for authentication |
| 18:51.11 | fredl | so I dunno, isn't running both authdaemon and saslauthd a bit.... overkill? |
| 18:51.13 | jelly | because homing pigeons and mail. |
| 18:51.17 | jelly | I guess |
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| 18:52.27 | fredl | hmm I don't see a dovecot-sasl |
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| 18:52.37 | fredl | part of dovecot-core? |
| 18:53.02 | jelly | its auth service probably is, yes |
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| 19:20.51 | crazythings | jelly: ...... [4:304] -A OUTPUT -p udp -m owner --uid-owner 0 -m udp --dport 123 -m conntrack --ctstate NEW -j ACCEPT |
| 19:21.10 | crazythings | jelly: as i thought root is opening the ntp lines instead of ntp user. cool why? |
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| 19:21.42 | crazythings | we ha have a ntp daemon that run as a dedicated user but is using root to do networking... |
| 19:21.53 | crazythings | could it be a bug? |
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| 19:23.20 | greycat | Most likely it's using root because it's binding to a privileged (< 1024) port number. |
| 19:23.44 | greycat | But I'm not very strong in network programming, so ... |
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| 19:26.06 | khronos | Hi guys. |
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| 19:59.00 | stemid | just installed debian 8.1 and I habitually set blank root password and use sudo. but this time sudo is rc in dpkg -l and even though default sshd_config says PermitRootLogin without-password I cannot login with root. so I'm stuck. is rc for sudo an issue noted by others at first install? the sudo binary is missing but /etc/sudoers is there. |
| 19:59.17 | missmbob | i feel less stupid. #irssi doesn't know wtf either. |
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| 19:59.58 | jelly | stemid: why 8.1 when 8.6 install images are there? |
| 20:00.03 | greycat | The only way to get a package into "rc" state is to install it and then remove it. |
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| 20:00.20 | jelly | could be a solved bug with the installer, I guess |
| 20:00.34 | greycat | sudo isn't even installed by default... |
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| 20:00.47 | jelly | actually, it depends |
| 20:00.59 | greycat | I suppose there are some optional tasks that could bring it in. |
| 20:01.00 | stemid | jelly: it was the iso I had available. but you're right, could be an old bug. |
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| 20:01.29 | missmbob | greycat: i'm pretty sure sudo is default when you don't enter a root password in the installer |
| 20:01.43 | jelly | greycat: I _think_ if you intentionally use an empty password when d-i asks for root password, it installs sudo and puts the user into sudo group |
| 20:01.43 | greycat | I didn't even know you could do that. |
| 20:02.11 | jelly | because someone thought implicit actions are neat |
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| 20:04.02 | rainfyre | hey folks. wondering what the correct way to start service is these days. /etc/init.d/whatever service start or just service whatever start or invoke-rc.d service start or ...... |
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| 20:04.20 | greycat | If you're on jessie, systemctl start is preferred. |
| 20:04.30 | rainfyre | lmao none of the above. thank you |
| 20:04.37 | rainfyre | i'm sort of on stretch |
| 20:04.55 | jelly | then you're sort of not on jessie |
| 20:05.02 | rainfyre | ah. right. |
| 20:05.22 | jelly | "service" will work regardless of the init system in place |
| 20:05.34 | rainfyre | depends which box i'm on. stretch atm. |
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| 20:05.54 | rainfyre | ok jelly thank you |
| 20:05.57 | rainfyre | that's what i'm used to |
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| 20:06.15 | jelly | but if you switched to systemd you might as well learn the native stuff |
| 20:06.22 | missmbob | jmcnaught: are you using irssi from backports or proper jessie? |
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| 20:07.05 | rainfyre | alright |
| 20:07.13 | rainfyre | i'm running systemd here |
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| 20:09.46 | babilen | systemctl it is then |
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| 20:10.39 | rainfyre | thank you babilen |
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| 20:12.06 | rainfyre | babilen: 'systmctl tor start' returns 'Unknown operation tor.' |
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| 20:12.30 | greycat | systemctl start tor |
| 20:14.26 | rainfyre | thank you greycat |
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| 20:15.20 | CtrlC | I did a sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install openjdk-8-jre and now java -version says: java version "1.7.0_111". How to get 1.8? |
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| 20:15.59 | greycat | service puts the verb last because it's German... wait, I mean, because it mimics "/etc/init.d/scriptname start" |
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| 20:16.20 | greycat | systemctl puts the the verb first because it's a command with a subcommand |
| 20:17.23 | missmbob | yay new curly.pl |
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| 20:18.30 | greycat | Are other people actually *using* my curly.pl script? I didn't think any of the rest of you were on Latin-1 systems. |
| 20:18.40 | missmbob | i do :P |
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| 20:23.17 | TomTomTo1 | CtrlC: oh, i forgot. i think you have to run update-alternatives --config java and select which version the /usr/bin/java symlink should point to. |
| 20:24.05 | babilen | update-java-alternatives |
| 20:24.54 | CtrlC | TomTomTo1, nanobit Thanks |
| 20:24.58 | CtrlC | babilen* |
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| 20:52.51 | TomTomTo1 | pick a different mirror or wait till they update it ^^ |
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| 21:25.24 | nkuttler | leafwiz___: that usually implies running xorg |
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| 21:25.30 | nkuttler | dpkg: xsession |
| 21:25.30 | dpkg | hmm... xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession' |
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| 21:25.41 | nkuttler | leafwiz___: just exec <yourwm> in there, on the last line |
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| 21:25.54 | nkuttler | (assuming you pick an xorg session in your dm) |
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| 21:26.50 | nkuttler | that init the factoid looks a little odd though |
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| 21:28.47 | arvind | Guys |
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| 21:29.52 | arvind | I am interested in compiling the debian-kernel in jessie 3.16.0-4. After executing apt-get soruce how do I make sure the patches from debian dir are applied? |
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| 21:30.22 | missmbob | arvind: have you read the debian kernel handbook? |
| 21:30.46 | missmbob | arvind: https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-building |
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| 21:31.17 | arvind | hi missmbob thanks for the link |
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| 21:51.57 | vagrus | how much is https or ftp used by apt today / by the repos one would usually pull packages from? |
| 21:52.20 | vagrus | And for https, packages got their own cryptographic mechanism, right? (secure apt) - so https is more or less just a nice candy |
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| 21:53.17 | arvind | missmbob, i have not seen the answer to my question in the manual. It is a good reference for the future |
| 21:54.18 | missmbob | arvind: if you follow the manual the patches will automatically be applied |
| 21:54.50 | missmbob | vagrus: https is rare. the only one off the top of my head is kernel.org |
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| 21:57.51 | L72g5sSq | Anyone use dh-virtualenv? Any good? |
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| 21:58.55 | arvind | missmbob, am I also correct that apt-get install linux-source-3.16 will get me the source with all the patches already applied? If true it fits my needs perfectly |
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| 21:59.57 | missmbob | arvind: you are correct |
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| 22:18.14 | jmcnaught | missmbob: i'm using irssi 0.8.17-1+deb8u1 from jessie |
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| 22:34.46 | AdorableGNU | My lockscreen on the MATE desktop environment doesn't show up after my computer sleeps for a while, until after I make it wake, and use it for a minute. Then the lockscreen appears. How can I fix this? |
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| 22:37.54 | dpro | hi |
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| 22:38.45 | dpro | I just upgraded an ancient squeeze to wheezy, seems to work but dovecot and postfix can't authenticate users anymore, seems to be a mysql issue, but I'm really not sure what's going on. |
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| 22:49.16 | Mundus2018 | Can anyone help me figure our why I cant make this, https://i.gyazo.com/8d043f2fa32d41c68da9544d6af38bba.png |
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| 22:50.21 | jmcnaught | dpro: what to the log messages say when there is an authentication failure? |
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| 22:51.38 | dpro | jmcnaught: user unkown |
| 22:51.50 | ton86 | hy guys |
| 22:51.51 | dpro | jmcnaught: in auth.log |
| 22:52.54 | jmcnaught | dpro: are you going to provide details like configuration files and log samples? |
| 22:53.36 | dpro | jmcnaught: more than willing but that's a lot of configs and I haven't changed a lot |
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| 22:53.54 | dpro | jmcnaught: I thing dovecot isn't using mysql at all right now |
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| 23:22.14 | jhutchins | dpro: If you want to strip a config file with a lot of comments, egrep '(^#|^$)' /etc/dovecot.conf |
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| 23:35.01 | awal1 | After installing 'numlockx' pkg is this command "sed -i 's|^exit 0.*$|# Numlock enable\n[ -x /usr/bin/numlockx ] \&\& numlockx on\n\nexit 0|' /etc/rc.local" a real/correct way or just a work around? |
| 23:35.23 | awal1 | found in ubuntu wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock |
| 23:35.45 | awal1 | I dont really understand the whole meaning of that command |
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| 23:37.15 | awal1 | In fact I only understood what sed, enable and on means :D |
| 23:37.35 | baraba | this seems to be for init scripts awal1 |
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| 23:37.57 | baraba | if it is a service |
| 23:38.05 | awal1 | baraba, yeah, that I got it but the command per se no clue what it does exactly |
| 23:38.06 | baraba | you can enable it running this: |
| 23:38.16 | baraba | systemctl enable numlockx |
| 23:40.03 | awal1 | ok, I will try if systemctl does the job; but I would like to understand for example what 's|^exit 0.*$|# means :P |
| 23:40.06 | baraba | it is not a service unfortunately |
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| 23:40.20 | baraba | ok let's try |
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| 23:42.08 | baraba | it turns out it's a simple command awal1 |
| 23:42.17 | baraba | sed replaces strings in files |
| 23:42.38 | baraba | -i option enables sed to do inplace replacement |
| 23:42.45 | baraba | meaning the same file will be modified |
| 23:43.03 | baraba | if you didn't do that, the replacement would be printed on the standard output |
| 23:43.21 | baraba | now the thing in quotes, gives strings to be replaced |
| 23:43.32 | baraba | s is for substitute |
| 23:43.52 | baraba | the string in between first || is a regex to be replaced |
| 23:44.04 | baraba | and the thing after it is the replacement |
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| 23:44.19 | baraba | does this make sense? |
| 23:45.10 | awal1 | baraba, I'm checking sed manual. I never had to use it , really no clue but I understand 50% of what you said yeah. :D |
| 23:45.19 | awal1 | too technical for me right now :P |
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| 23:45.40 | baraba | do you know regexes? |
| 23:45.56 | awal1 | no clue |
| 23:46.01 | awal1 | googleing |
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| 23:46.44 | awal1 | regurlar expressions , ok |
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| 23:48.00 | awal1 | hmmm, fallen into linux programing language :D |
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| 23:50.35 | awal1 | baraba, thanks for your effort trying to explain. sincerely, I confess it's something beyond my basic debian/gnu/linux knowledge right now |
| 23:50.57 | awal1 | but I'm/will spend a bit of time for have a better idea :) |
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| 23:51.51 | baraba | you'll come around :) |
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