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| 00:03.05 | petn-randall | codfection: Check the settings of your desktop environment, Gnome, KDE and Xfce have power management settings for that. |
| 00:03.14 | codfection | iwm |
| 00:03.19 | codfection | i3wm |
| 00:03.44 | petn-randall | codfection: In that case IIRC it's systemd responding to the event. |
| 00:04.13 | codfection | iirc? |
| 00:04.42 | petn-randall | If I recall correctly |
| 00:04.50 | codfection | oh |
| 00:04.52 | codfection | ok |
| 00:05.08 | codfection | so how cn I change |
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| 00:59.33 | jak2000 | !dpkg sources.list |
| 00:59.33 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 01:04.25 | davidl2 | Debian Jessie, I start X with 'startx' and try running 'glxinfo' in a terminal, get the message {{Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":1".}} ... any ideas what I'm missing? |
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| 01:07.24 | mrtrump | anyone ever compare freebsd to debian? |
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| 01:09.39 | preaction | compare how |
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| 01:16.20 | dvs | blasphemy! |
| 01:16.41 | jhebden | :) |
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| 01:17.51 | AndreiHk- | hi |
| 01:17.52 | AndreiHk- | E: Unable to locate package kali-archive-keyring |
| 01:17.57 | AndreiHk- | somebody can help me ? |
| 01:18.02 | dvs | !kali |
| 01:18.02 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 01:29.18 | mrtrump | compare speed and fun wise |
| 01:29.22 | mrtrump | of course |
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| 01:33.12 | mrtrump | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:34.09 | jmcnaught | davidl2: can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net/ ? Also, are you running a display manager and also using startx? |
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| 01:39.24 | jak2000 | jmcnaught i am happy with your help |
| 01:39.29 | jak2000 | my domain now worked :) |
| 01:39.37 | jak2000 | can you recommend me some link for test y domain? |
| 01:39.40 | jak2000 | for hackers? |
| 01:39.59 | jmcnaught | jak2000: what do you want to test about your domain? |
| 01:40.11 | jak2000 | open ports |
| 01:40.13 | jak2000 | by sample |
| 01:40.23 | jak2000 | any open for anyone access it? |
| 01:41.00 | jmcnaught | oh, so not the domain so much as the computer and the applications it runs? |
| 01:41.07 | jak2000 | yes |
| 01:41.43 | jmcnaught | jak2000: for starters you can run "netstat -tulpn" to see which ports are open and the processes listening on them. You need to be root to get the process info |
| 01:42.14 | jmcnaught | jak2000: from a different computer you can also run nmap (which has some GUI front ends too) |
| 01:42.42 | AndreiHk- | E: Unable to locate package kali-archive-keyring , somebody help ? :) |
| 01:43.03 | AndreiHk- | sorry, E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 01:43.03 | AndreiHk- | this one |
| 01:43.21 | missmbob | AndreiHk-: you were already told to ask their channel. not ours |
| 01:43.24 | jak2000 | jmcnaught ok |
| 01:43.25 | jak2000 | thanks |
| 01:43.28 | jak2000 | tessting |
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| 01:54.07 | davidl2 | https://paste.debian.net/882593/ |
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| 01:55.02 | davidl2 | I'm using startx because gdm & kdm won't start ... looks like it might be because of no/broken GL support. |
| 01:55.09 | jmcnaught | davidl2: do you have an optimus system (nvidia and intel GPUs)? |
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| 01:55.17 | jmcnaught | also how did you install the nvidia drivers? |
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| 01:55.50 | davidl2 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
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| 01:56.25 | davidl2 | No, it's a Pentium IV ThinkCentre, built-in Intel graphics adapter. |
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| 01:57.03 | davidl2 | I had OpenGL working at one time, before a hard-drive crash and reinstallation. |
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| 01:59.08 | jmcnaught | davidl2: there is no nvidia card? i'm asking because Xorg is trying to load the proprietary nvidia drivers |
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| 01:59.33 | murphy | does someone have a failproof guide for setting up vnc on debian with plasma? im stuck with the plain grey screen even after editing my xstartup file |
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| 02:00.21 | davidl2 | Right, there is no NVidia card. As a shorcut for reinstallation I used a disk that had previously been in a laptop, probably with an NVidia adapter... |
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| 02:00.30 | jmcnaught | murphy: doesn't KDE have a built-in VNC server that you can turn on in its settings? |
| 02:00.43 | murphy | good question |
| 02:00.47 | murphy | let me google that |
| 02:01.12 | jmcnaught | davidl2: see for example line 229 of your paste. It's trying to load the nvidia GLX library, not the default open source one |
| 02:01.35 | jmcnaught | davidl2: look at the nvidia packages that are installed: "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" |
| 02:01.38 | Hello71 | jmcnaught: pretty sure that's for X sessions |
| 02:02.06 | jmcnaught | Hello71: what is? |
| 02:02.27 | Hello71 | the KDE VNC server |
| 02:02.57 | murphy | kde has Krfb |
| 02:03.29 | jmcnaught | what else besides an X session want to use VNC for? |
| 02:03.31 | murphy | looks like its more of something where you have to send an invite as opposed to a service you run |
| 02:03.48 | davidl2 | https://paste.debian.net/882595/https://paste.debian.net/882595/ |
| 02:04.07 | Hello71 | I mean real X sessions, not rendering to framebuffers. |
| 02:06.16 | murphy | is it me or does VNC config files seem really dumb? |
| 02:06.48 | murphy | if i already am running a windows manager, why doesnt it just default to that? |
| 02:06.52 | jmcnaught | davidl2: you can use glx-alternative-nvidia to select with GLX implementation should be used. If you're keeping this drive in that computer you probably also want to purge all of those nvidia packages. |
| 02:07.13 | davidl2 | $ sudo glx-alternative-nvidia |
| 02:07.13 | davidl2 | sudo: glx-alternative-nvidia: command not found |
| 02:07.13 | davidl2 | $ sudo glx-alternative-nvidia |
| 02:07.13 | davidl2 | sudo: glx-alternative-nvidia: command not found |
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| 02:07.54 | jmcnaught | murphy: are you trying to run VNC on the network allowing users to connect to a display manager, and then log into a KDE plasma session? Or do you want to share your user's already running KDE plasma session? |
| 02:07.55 | davidl2 | (sorry, clipboard if funny too?) |
| 02:09.29 | murphy | honestly... i'll take either at this point. but i would prefer to be able to just run VNC as a service to create a new session |
| 02:09.44 | murphy | because i might not always be logged in |
| 02:09.59 | jmcnaught | davidl2: oh i see (just read description of glx-alternative-nvidia package).. it allows you to use "update-alternatives --config glx" to pick which one to use. ('man update-alternatives' to learn about that system) |
| 02:10.36 | murphy | i did echo $desktop_session |
| 02:10.50 | murphy | and it came back with lightdm-xession |
| 02:11.37 | murphy | so i tried adding that to ~/.vnc/xstartup |
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| 02:11.52 | murphy | that should work right? |
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| 02:14.31 | davidl2 | Thanks! fixed OpenGL. |
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| 02:14.49 | jmcnaught | davidl2: nice! |
| 02:15.22 | jmcnaught | murphy: i don't know how to do that. it would help others in the channel help you if you provide some details, including the vnc server you're trying to configure. |
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| 02:22.19 | NotJiCarrey | ok, so I tried upgrading from wheezy to jessie, but it hung at udev |
| 02:23.00 | NotJiCarrey | someone recommended rebooting, and not it hangs at A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interfaces |
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| 02:23.19 | NotJiCarrey | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 02:23.44 | NotJiCarrey | yeah, vagueish, i know, but don't know what info is needed yet |
| 02:24.10 | NotJiCarrey | i can get into single-user mode, but no idea what to do next |
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| 02:30.35 | murphy | im trying to use tightvnc |
| 02:31.53 | th0r | murphy, I am not sure you can put lightdm into the xstartup file for vnc. Lightdm handles login and you have to already be logged in to get to the xstartup file |
| 02:32.32 | th0r | murphy, when I was running vnc I put 'xfce4-session' in mine. Not sure what you need for the desktop you want to run. |
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| 02:33.45 | murphy | ok let me try that thanks |
| 02:34.19 | th0r | murphy, what are you trying to do? I found vnc a bit slow and clumsy for day to day use. there are other options depending on what you want to accomplish |
| 02:34.47 | murphy | be able to mange remotely though the desktop |
| 02:35.39 | th0r | murphy, do you need the full desktop? I manage my servers using X-forwarding via ssh. It has the advantage of merging the remote applications into the local desktop. Much faster than vnc, although it has some limits |
| 02:36.36 | murphy | what kind of limits? |
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| 02:37.45 | th0r | murphy, most notably I don't think you can cut and paste between local and remote. I do believe vnc supports that, but I have found no such option in x-forwarding. But I only deal with files and structures within the server, so that isn't an issue |
| 02:38.44 | th0r | murphy, also, you don't have a 'start menu' like on the desktop. You invoke the software by name from a cli. |
| 02:39.22 | th0r | murphy, you use the same desktop software, but don't have the full desktop (menus, taskbar, wallpaper, etc) |
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| 02:41.58 | murphy | how does that work for gui apps? |
| 02:42.14 | murphy | it forwards the display over ssh? |
| 02:43.04 | th0r | murphy, it forwards the application gui over ssh. Much less info gets transferred than with vnc so it is much quicker. The application looks like it is running on your local machine, but all load/save etc are on the remote machine |
| 02:44.06 | th0r | murphy, you need X installed on the remote machine, but don't have to run it. I have my servers booting to a cli |
| 02:44.55 | th0r | murphy, if you are running linux locally you don't have to install anything special, just 'ssh -X user@remote' and then type the name of the application (pcmanfm, for instance) |
| 02:45.25 | th0r | murphy, if you are running windows locally, install xming |
| 02:45.55 | murphy | it will be from osx and linux |
| 02:46.07 | murphy | over over a vpn |
| 02:47.29 | th0r | murphy, not sure about osx. Never had the resources to buy apple |
| 02:48.08 | th0r | murphy, years ago I did a bit of research into remote access, with a friend in Ireland accessing my US server. |
| 02:48.32 | th0r | murphy, X-forwarding performed best, followed by NX, and vnc third |
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| 02:48.51 | murphy | youre not missing much with apple now. osx is nice but the hardware is overpriced |
| 02:49.00 | murphy | whats NX? |
| 02:49.04 | th0r | murphy, always has been <smile>. |
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| 02:49.38 | th0r | I mentioned NX earlier. There used to be a commercial package (free, but closed source, not foss) called NX or NXMachine. |
| 02:50.01 | th0r | you run the NX server on the remote machine, and run the NX client locally. It was like vnc on steroids |
| 02:50.17 | th0r | don't know if it is even available any more |
| 02:50.28 | murphy | interesting never heard of that |
| 02:50.48 | murphy | it would be nice if there was just something like logmein for linux |
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| 02:52.45 | th0r | murphy, I think this is it....https://www.nomachine.com/ |
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| 02:53.35 | th0r | murphy, yeah...according to wikipedia NoMachine is the owner of the NX technology |
| 02:53.41 | NotJiCarrey | think i got it. i use iscsi, and for some reason it wasn't initiating |
| 02:54.09 | NotJiCarrey | temporarily commented the wait for iscsi line in /etc/network/interfaces and it finished |
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| 02:54.24 | NotJiCarrey | just hope i can get the upgrade to complete |
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| 03:11.33 | mrtrump | openssl 1.1? |
| 03:11.36 | mrtrump | comgin soon to deb? |
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| 03:26.30 | murphy | damn th0r left, wanted to give him props on NoMachine working perfectly |
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| 03:56.44 | NotJiCarrey | I finished upgrading from wheezy to jessie, but now the files in /var/www don't show up when i pull up the site |
| 03:57.13 | missmbob | NotJiCarrey: right. you need to read the release notes. talks about it breaking configuration files in apache |
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| 03:57.31 | mrtrump | ha ha |
| 03:57.35 | missmbob | NotJiCarrey: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat |
| 03:57.38 | mrtrump | dump your data |
| 03:57.41 | mrtrump | nuke box |
| 03:57.45 | mrtrump | bring data back |
| 03:57.46 | mrtrump | :) |
| 03:57.51 | mrtrump | upgrade heh |
| 03:57.55 | mrtrump | adventure heh |
| 03:58.01 | mrtrump | a jedi craves not these things |
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| 03:58.14 | missmbob | i'm sure a jedi would know to read release notes |
| 03:58.27 | mrtrump | release notes are for fags |
| 03:58.31 | mrtrump | just nuke box |
| 03:58.38 | mrtrump | its the only way to be sure |
| 03:58.42 | mrtrump | nuke it from orbit |
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| 03:59.23 | themill | mrtrump: that's enough. |
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| 04:02.50 | NotJiCarrey | missmbob: i'm looking, but i'm not seeing how it changed |
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| 04:03.20 | NotJiCarrey | also, everything looked ok after the upgrade, so i took my meds, not thinking clearly |
| 04:03.32 | NotJiCarrey | just noticed the files aren't accessable |
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| 04:03.45 | themill | There's lots to fix with apache after wheezyâjessie |
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| 04:04.05 | NotJiCarrey | i don't actually have a site, just files accessed on the intranet |
| 04:04.17 | themill | For your specific case, the default DocumentRoot changed -- more details in /usr/share/doc/apache2/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 04:04.31 | NotJiCarrey | thank you themill |
| 04:06.49 | epsilon | damn arm64 |
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| 04:07.57 | epsilon | 3rd time I accidentaly download arm64 netinstaller instead of amd64 and wondering why the mashine isn't booting |
| 04:08.07 | NotJiCarrey | works now, thanks again themill |
| 04:08.12 | themill | np |
| 04:08.35 | NotJiCarrey | geez, meds + upgrading DO NOT mix |
| 04:08.36 | NotJiCarrey | lol |
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| 04:52.29 | xsmltx | Hi, anyone can help please, all the screen is not displayed on full screen, on fit to screen... Thank you. |
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| 04:54.54 | sm00th | xsmltx, change your screen resolution |
| 04:55.20 | sm00th | or your monitor set up, check |
| 04:55.43 | xsmltx | sm00th, I've tried but, it still the same, it is a tablet, and the only environment is fluxbox... |
| 04:56.05 | sm00th | oh sorry i know nothing about neither. |
| 04:56.54 | pnorman | I'm looking at installing debian testing with zfs and can't find any documentation. I looked at https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/HOWTO-install-Debian-GNU-Linux-to-a-Native-ZFS-Root-Filesystem, but this is based on using a .deb file instead of contrib. Is there any debian documentation on zfs? |
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| 04:57.30 | jmcnaught | ,v zfs-dkms |
| 04:57.31 | judd | Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1 |
| 04:57.56 | jmcnaught | pnorman: ^^ that's the package name, it's in contrib. |
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| 04:59.54 | pnorman | jmcnaught: yes - but searching for that doesn't help either. Do you think the zol wiki guide would work if the deb steps were replaced by enabling contrib and installing zfs-dkms? |
| 05:00.06 | jmcnaught | i doubt you'll be able to install use ZFS for the root file system. Also Debian testing has its own channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 05:00.58 | pnorman | ah, I'll ask there. I thought I had joined it but missed the server part |
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| 05:11.32 | jim | I'm looking for javascript interpreter as one that can be in a terminal, like bash, perl or python... I looked at apt-cache search nodejs, and there is a package called that, but I don't know if that's the right thing to get, given the description from apt-cache... is such a thing packaged? |
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| 05:16.31 | jmcnaught | jim: nodejs is what you're looking for. be careful, it does not get security support so should not be used with untrusted code, or hooked up to the internet |
| 05:18.39 | jim | I decided to take a js course from codecademy |
| 05:18.48 | jim | that's what it would be used for |
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| 05:19.25 | pnorman | jim: nodejs is a javascript interpreter, but not the only one. the course should say what to do to run code. |
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| 05:21.51 | jim | the course is a website, that provides the interpreter through it |
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| 05:28.55 | jmcnaught | jim: check out the scratchpad in firefox (shift+f4 or under the developer menu) |
| 05:33.08 | jim | jmcnaught, good to know... thanks |
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| 06:08.13 | jak2000 | friendsss |
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| 06:11.16 | jak2000 | how to start linux witha minimal load files? i can choose asssk me a root paswword for maintenance mode, y type but not accept |
| 06:11.18 | jak2000 | thankss |
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| 06:13.46 | jmcnaught | jak2000: i don't understand. are you trying to boot Debian into maintenance or rescue mode and your root password is not being accepted? |
| 06:13.55 | jak2000 | yess |
| 06:14.00 | jak2000 | i am on a vps |
| 06:14.12 | jak2000 | i added a line on /etc/fstab for mount a partition |
| 06:14.19 | jak2000 | but no formated... i think thisss is the problem |
| 06:14.27 | jak2000 | i can access to grub options |
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| 06:16.10 | jmcnaught | you should always test mounting new lines in fstab before rebooting. Can you edit the linux command line (in grub) and add the number 1 to the end? This will boot you into the rescue mode |
| 06:17.26 | jak2000 | ok |
| 06:17.27 | xsmltx | Hi, anyone can help me please to use the whole screen of the 10.1" tablet with other resolution than 1920x1080, or the only way is to do "software stretching with xrandr" or "rescale the UI" ? Fluxbox is the only installed environment on a Lubuntu-core minimal mini.iso command line installation. |
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| 06:18.34 | jak2000 | jmacnaught you mean: setparams 'Advanced Optionss for debian GNU/Linux' 1 ? |
| 06:19.35 | jak2000 | https://postimg.org/image/pb6rpy0xz/ |
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| 06:20.49 | jmcnaught | jak2000: which line did you hit 'e' on? |
| 06:21.25 | jak2000 | ssee the image please |
| 06:22.09 | jmcnaught | xsmltx: Lubuntu and other Debian derivatives are not supported here. You should ask in #ubuntu |
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| 06:22.24 | jmcnaught | jak2000: which line did you hit 'e' on? <--- this is my follow up question after looking at the image |
| 06:22.46 | xsmltx | Thank you jmcnaught |
| 06:22.47 | jmcnaught | jak2000: you should escape out of that, select the normal/default boot option, and hit 'e' on that |
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| 06:23.24 | jak2000 | ye ssi am on here |
| 06:23.30 | jak2000 | first line: |
| 06:23.42 | jak2000 | setparams 'Advanced Optionss for debian GNU/Linux' |
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| 06:23.52 | jak2000 | normal option: |
| 06:24.00 | jak2000 | setparams 'Debian GNU/Linux' |
| 06:25.08 | jmcnaught | jak2000: yeah, setparams 'Debian GNU/Linux' is what you want. look for the line that says linux, put a 1 on the end, then press ctrl+x to boot |
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| 06:26.22 | jmcnaught | heh, apparently grub2 (in a KVM VM) maxes out a CPU if you leave it on the edit screen. |
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| 06:28.19 | Engine40 | hi, i got a general question, which kernel is best for gaming? |
| 06:28.44 | jak2000 | linux /vmlinuz..... quiet <-here add 1 ? |
| 06:28.45 | jmcnaught | Engine40: which options are you choosing from? |
| 06:29.16 | jmcnaught | jak2000: yes, and a space between quiet and 1. You can also remove the word quiet to see boot messages |
| 06:30.10 | jak2000 | same messsage |
| 06:30.11 | Engine40 | jmcnaught: im on the latest debian release, im planning to compile my own kernel designed for gaming |
| 06:30.20 | jak2000 | PRess Ctrl+d or give root passsword :( |
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| 06:31.29 | jmcnaught | Engine40: if the stock jessie 3.16 kernel supports all of your hardware, that's what i would use |
| 06:31.40 | jmcnaught | there are also newer kernels in jessie-backports |
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| 06:32.09 | ANTI-torture | hi |
| 06:32.34 | ANTI-torture | wake up !________________________________________ |
| 06:33.02 | ANTI-torture | psychiatry is: FRAUD . |
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| 06:33.27 | ANTI-torture | VISIT WAYNEWAMSAY.COM |
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| 06:33.36 | jmcnaught | !ops ANTI-torture |
| 06:33.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: ANTI-torture |
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| 06:34.18 | jmcnaught | jak2000: reboot, edit the linux command line like before. this time add 'systemd.debug-shell' instead. This will start a root shell on tty9. Change the password, log in another way, then "systemctl stop debug-shell" to close the root shell on tty9. |
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| 06:35.17 | jmcnaught | jak2000: you can read /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian about this |
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| 06:37.08 | jak2000 | thisss is on linux line? |
| 06:37.11 | jak2000 | at the end? |
| 06:37.22 | jmcnaught | jak2000: yes |
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| 06:39.43 | jak2000 | systemd.debug-shell |
| 06:39.48 | jak2000 | same :( |
| 06:40.10 | jmcnaught | jak2000: go to VT 9 with alt+f9 |
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| 06:40.57 | jak2000 | ok |
| 06:41.05 | jak2000 | edit fstab and restart right? |
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| 06:41.34 | jmcnaught | you may also want to change the root password |
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| 06:42.08 | jak2000 | OK |
| 06:42.10 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:43.45 | jim | jelly, that was a couple weeks ago, I dunno if things changed |
| 06:44.33 | jak2000 | jmcnaught done |
| 06:44.39 | jak2000 | now i try format but cant |
| 06:45.12 | jmcnaught | format what? |
| 06:45.51 | jak2000 | see please: http://pastebin.com/tXMuhTZH |
| 06:46.16 | jak2000 | i have a hidden space see? |
| 06:46.22 | jak2000 | in /dev/sda3 |
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| 06:47.31 | jmcnaught | jak2000: no, your /dev/sda3 is used for an LVM volume group |
| 06:47.43 | jak2000 | how to format it? |
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| 06:48.42 | jmcnaught | jak2000: can you show 'pvs', 'vgs', 'lvs' commands? |
| 06:49.15 | jmcnaught | jak2000: also please stop using pastebin.com as it has adds and frequently asks people to solve captchas to view the paste. |
| 06:49.28 | jak2000 | wich passtebin recommend me? |
| 06:49.55 | jmcnaught | s/adds/ads/ # /me can spell. https://paste.debian.net/ or any one without ads and javascript |
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| 06:50.57 | jak2000 | http://paste.debian.net/882678/ |
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| 06:52.26 | jmcnaught | jak2000: right. /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda5 together form the LVM volume group localhost-vg. That VG has two logical volumes, root and swap_1. |
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| 06:53.23 | jmcnaught | jak2000: sda3 and sda5 are already in use by LVM. If you want to learn about LVM, the best introduction to it is this manual which should be mostly relevant for jessie: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration/ |
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| 06:53.35 | jak2000 | ok |
| 06:53.42 | jak2000 | reading thanks |
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| 06:58.38 | lozusr | https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/10/17/%23lubuntu.html |
| 06:59.44 | jmcnaught | !ops lozusr is spam |
| 06:59.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: lozusr is spam |
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| 07:00.56 | bocaneri | jim, I wouldn't recommend discussing such matters in public. |
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| 07:03.14 | jelly | there is a time and place for everything, and it's called "college" |
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| 07:04.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a bit of a depressing thought |
| 07:05.35 | bocaneri | Mmmm... blue-eyed college girls with big honkers and long legs who love beer... |
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| 07:05.57 | jelly | wait, this isn't -offtopic? |
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| 07:06.52 | bocaneri | ;) |
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| 07:08.06 | babilen | Why don't we just drop that topic? |
| 07:08.15 | bocaneri | is thinking more in terms of "Hannah Montana Linux" |
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| 07:18.14 | jak2000 | jmcnaught continue with recover the space |
| 07:18.14 | jak2000 | but its ok, thanks |
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| 07:25.45 | jmcnaught | jak2000: there is no space to recover |
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| 07:30.26 | jmcnaught | jak2000: ok i see it. your root LV is 28.61g, but your root fs reported by df is only 9.1g. |
| 07:30.51 | jmcnaught | jak2000: it looks like the filesystem is not using the full space available in its logical volume |
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| 08:30.06 | lostdata | hi all. I need some help. I've tried to resize my root partition using GParted. the computer got shuted down and now I can't access the home. |
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| 08:30.37 | lostdata | There is just two files in the home. I can't recall the extention exactly. it was .h or something. |
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| 08:30.55 | lostdata | It includes very important data to me. Any idea how to fix it? |
| 08:31.13 | lostdata | Gparted is currently checking the partition but I don't know if that helps. |
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| 08:34.14 | lostdata | I'd appreciate any help. |
| 08:35.11 | lostdata | It was at resizing stage when this happened. |
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| 08:36.42 | Iridos | I don't think you'll appreciate it⦠"restore from backup" |
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| 08:37.19 | lostdata | Iridos: there's no backup.:( |
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| 08:37.45 | Iridos | then probably you didn't value that data so much |
| 08:37.53 | Iridos | what filesystems were those? |
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| 08:38.02 | lostdata | ext4 |
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| 08:39.11 | Iridos | try to mount /home manually. That probably gives an error in dmesg. If you only see two files, I doubt home was mounted |
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| 08:39.49 | lostdata | ok. Gotta wait for gparted to finish. |
| 08:40.16 | Iridos | but overall I guess it's gone and you can only (maybe) restore single files of a known type with something like magicrescue or so |
| 08:40.18 | lostdata | Iridos: how to mount a directory from a partition though? |
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| 08:41.17 | momken | hello, is this the main channel for debian server distro? |
| 08:41.39 | lostdata | yes momken |
| 08:41.49 | evilman_work|2 | momken: just ask the questions :) |
| 08:42.10 | lostdata | the issue seems to be blocks claimed from multiple places or something. |
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| 08:43.15 | momken | evilman_work|2, I don't have a question. I just need to decide between Ubuntu-server LTS, Debian and CentOS for my VPS server. |
| 08:43.54 | momken | Hard decision, as I am a hardcore ubuntu desktop user and my vps is not very critical |
| 08:43.58 | evilman_work|2 | momken: chose distro, that are being used your friends, who can help you :) |
| 08:44.11 | evilman_work|2 | **used by your friends |
| 08:45.45 | momken | evilman_work|2, I always use Ubuntu and don't have problem with it. But my friend (who I share the VPS with him) is a fedora user! |
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| 08:47.25 | evilman_work|2 | momken: choose what you know. |
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| 08:48.13 | MarcoNL | I'm looking for a way to install jessie on my laptop, but I want encryption for both disks in it and use guided lvm partitioning. Someone to help me with that? |
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| 08:51.37 | evilman_work|2 | MarcoNL: yep. just ask the questions. do you have an experience in LVM? |
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| 08:53.59 | lostdata | Gparted prints such lines: Illegal block number passed to ext2fs_test_block_bitmap #3601002943 for multiply claimed block map |
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| 08:55.23 | MarcoNL | I do have an experience in LVM, but to be honest am the lazy one. So that's why I wanted to try the guided partitioning. But for some reason I don't know how to set it so that both disks are used for encryption |
| 08:57.18 | evilman_work|2 | MarcoNL: lvm uses other idealogy. you really should read about it. and you should have unencrypted boot partition for grub files and kernel image. |
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| 08:57.45 | eumel | (msg dpkg jessie |
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| 08:59.55 | evilman_work|2 | MarcoNL: read about LVM: what is the physical volumes, volume groups, logical volume groups etc |
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| 09:01.28 | MarcoNL | never mind |
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| 09:19.59 | foetus | i had problems shutting down my machines using jessie with systemd, problem was symlink /sbin/halt -> /bin/systemctl, changed /sbin/halt -> poweroff and everything is working now. Problem by design? |
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| 09:25.12 | Iridos | file /sbin/poweroff --> /sbin/poweroff: symbolic link to /bin/systemctl |
| 09:25.28 | Iridos | oh, he's gone⦠but I kind of doubt that story |
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| 09:32.39 | vev | when i try to install debian via usb stick i get "secure boot fail" |
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| 09:33.58 | vev | do i have to modify smthg in the bios? |
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| 09:37.24 | jelly | vev: yes you do, debian 8 installer does not support secure boot |
| 09:37.58 | vev | so i have to disable secure boot? |
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| 09:38.57 | KindOne | https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization#WARNING ;;;; that link to the source code has the wrong line number... kinda sure its line 4271 |
| 09:39.50 | vev | any url to explain what to do? |
| 09:41.15 | morf | damn |
| 09:41.38 | morf | wiki.debian.org is not working in my network for some reason :/ for everybody else does |
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| 09:42.18 | jelly | vev: sorry, no idea on what precisely has to be done |
| 09:42.28 | vev | ok merci |
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| 09:42.33 | morf | vev: in bios |
| 09:42.53 | morf | vev: if you don't have too old machine, it's called legacy bios or whatever similar name |
| 09:43.09 | vev | recent machine |
| 09:43.12 | morf | you can boot secure / legacy / both (however depends on bios) |
| 09:43.34 | vev | have to choose legacy? |
| 09:43.42 | vev | i have to choose legacy? |
| 09:43.55 | morf | yes, but be aware win10 won't work on recent machines (after win10 release) without secure boot |
| 09:44.11 | morf | bit offtopic but good to know for dual boot if you need it |
| 09:44.17 | morf | yes legacy = old bios |
| 09:44.19 | vev | idk |
| 09:44.22 | vev | ah ok |
| 09:45.05 | vev | best solution is to del win10 |
| 09:45.31 | vev | merci morf |
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| 09:46.25 | Mathisen_ | hello anyway to reboot debian machine.. so that i dont need to type passfrase for encryption ? im not at the location and i need to reboot the machine |
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| 09:50.18 | Help_me | hi all... I maybe are the most stupid ass in the world when i ask in here. but i need an debian 7.iso that are an complete setut. not 3 disk iso as the dvd or 11 disk iso for cd. |
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| 09:50.42 | Help_me | its for an esxi setup |
| 09:51.17 | vev | Help_me, take only the first iso |
| 09:51.30 | Help_me | vev but the other 2 then? |
| 09:51.43 | julius_ | hi |
| 09:51.48 | Help_me | hi julius_ |
| 09:51.54 | vev | no need |
| 09:52.26 | Help_me | vev: talk about a brainf**k! why show 3 dvd's`? |
| 09:52.35 | julius_ | i got a fresh drupal 8.2.0 installation here on a jessie system, with the default theme and no content on the page the site takes ~3s to load...even when reloading it. this is akward slow :( could this be a debian problem? |
| 09:52.56 | vev | it s just extra |
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| 09:53.56 | Help_me | vev u are the savior of the world! |
| 09:54.10 | Help_me | sends a beer to vev! |
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| 09:55.51 | morf | julius_: this is not debian related all that much, rest assure debian doesn't come performance optimized by default (you should optimize db, php, web server, caches etc), then it will get fast |
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| 09:56.33 | julius_ | any idea how to troubleshoot which part is slow? |
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| 09:58.58 | evilman_work|2 | julius_: google by 'drupal slow' phrase. |
| 09:59.08 | julius_ | ok |
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| 10:04.59 | morf | julius_: "drupal performance optimization" or "... ... tuning" etc gl (i think they would help you more on #drupal) |
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| 10:06.20 | julius_ | yes thanks |
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| 10:14.01 | deianws | hi all, i have a problem after updating this morning |
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| 10:14.25 | deianws | when i update via 'apt' it only updates the multimedia repo, none of the debian ones |
| 10:14.32 | iLogic | hey guys, i've installed a lsh server to able to connect from a mac os 9 machine and after that ssh stoped working on both android apps that used to connect to it.. when I do systemctl list-units only lsh shows up, do I need to disable lsh/enable ssh to connect on android? |
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| 10:20.26 | deianws | illogic: are you using the right ssh profile? |
| 10:20.46 | deianws | as i understand it, you can select different ssh keys to use |
| 10:21.09 | deianws | (i'm not an expert though, thought I'd just chime in with a suggestion) |
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| 10:23.43 | ldvd85 | Hi guys. I'm a italian Debian Jessie User |
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| 10:24.30 | crash_ | ok |
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| 10:25.58 | evilman_work|2 | ldvd85: if you have the questions - ask. |
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| 10:28.42 | deianws | why does my debian repositories not update via apt-get |
| 10:28.51 | deianws | they are in the sources.list |
| 10:29.09 | eumel | there could be various reasons |
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| 10:29.46 | deianws | i made an update this morning, and it happened after that, also my kde/plasma taskbar is gone |
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| 10:30.52 | eumel | which tool are you using for the update? any error messages? |
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| 10:31.43 | ldvd85 | I'don't have any techinacal question. I want to know other debian users and learn English |
| 10:32.08 | babilen | ldvd85: You might want to join #debian-offtopic then |
| 10:32.12 | babilen | (or ##english) |
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| 10:33.14 | deianws | i am using apt |
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| 10:33.28 | ldvd85 | babilen ok thank you |
| 10:34.47 | xsmltx | Hi, tell me please is there any way to enable right click on a touch screen device with Fluxbox the only installed environment? Thank you. |
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| 10:46.32 | eumel | @deianws: any error messages |
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| 10:50.37 | deianws | i'm typing 'sudo apt update' to update, and it updates only my debian multimedia repository |
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| 10:51.14 | deianws | something in the latest update (or kernel) has changed apt's ability to read repositories that i had working before |
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| 10:52.10 | eumel | can you check the repositories contained in /etc/apt/sources.list? maybe you're missing the system's repositories |
| 10:53.00 | deianws | i can pastebin what i have |
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| 10:55.37 | deianws | http://pastebin.com/yCJq4jfK |
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| 10:56.34 | deianws | sorry, it's working now |
| 10:57.20 | deianws | that is very weird |
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| 10:59.04 | deianws | ok, the problem is, when i update using either apt or apt-get in a console (that hasn't got an x server running), it doesn't seem to update all repos |
| 10:59.18 | deianws | but if i run it from konsole it shows updating of all repos |
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| 11:07.37 | deianws | and now it's doing it again |
| 11:08.11 | eumel | very strange, never heard about a different behaviuor caused by running an X-Server |
| 11:08.39 | deianws | now i think it's not that, it seems maybe the servers are intermittent today |
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| 11:09.05 | deianws | but it doesn't even try to download anything from them, if it did it would say can't reach server wouldn't it |
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| 11:10.01 | eumel | yes i think so. can you try another repository server? maybe ftp.de.debian.org? |
| 11:10.53 | eumel | if the problem persists using another server we'd figured out that the repo's aren't causing the error |
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| 11:13.22 | deianws | ok, so if i browse from my broswer to http://ftp.uk.debian.org it works |
| 11:13.47 | deianws | but if i sudo apt update i get only:deian@debian:~$ sudo apt-get update |
| 11:13.47 | deianws | Hit:1 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian testing InRelease |
| 11:13.47 | deianws | Hit:2 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian testing-updates InRelease |
| 11:13.47 | deianws | Hit:3 http://security.debian.org testing/updates InRelease |
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| 11:14.09 | babilen | :( |
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| 11:14.26 | babilen | â http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:14.31 | deianws | the server works |
| 11:14.32 | jelly | dpkg, tell deianws about debian-next |
| 11:14.32 | babilen | dpkg: show sources.list |
| 11:14.44 | babilen | dpkg: show sources.list |
| 11:14.44 | dpkg | Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 11:15.00 | babilen | deianws: Include ^^^ in your paste and lets continue in #debian-next |
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| 11:15.12 | deianws | ok, see you there |
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| 11:36.14 | eumel | my connection broke down, any progress? |
| 11:36.25 | eumel | german servers are okay, just made an update |
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| 11:48.00 | petn-randall | eumel: deianws moved on to #debian-next for debugging, as they are running testing. |
| 11:48.22 | Exploit | good |
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| 11:55.46 | eumel | thank you |
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| 12:15.48 | smile123 | hello |
| 12:15.50 | smile123 | how can format usb stick boot ? |
| 12:15.52 | smile123 | (i want format usb-stick-boot to normal usb stick) |
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| 12:17.08 | eumel | dd the iso image to the usb stick |
| 12:17.55 | eumel | or use fdisk |
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| 12:21.15 | __marco | Hi |
| 12:22.03 | __marco | Someone has experience on configuring the network in VMware |
| 12:22.25 | jelly | vsphere? esx? workstation? |
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| 12:22.35 | __marco | jelly: vsphere |
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| 12:23.05 | jelly | once you put the VM into the correct VLAN(s), the same as on a physical machine |
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| 12:24.35 | __marco | jelly: sorry, I am a noob with VMware. I gave the vm to a data center that uploaded the machine in vsphere. I think they put it in the right VLAN |
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| 12:25.07 | __marco | the ip should be static and the configuration pretty forward (debian side) but it does not work |
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| 12:25.51 | __marco | They just said that they changed the network adapter and used vmxnet3 |
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| 12:26.08 | jelly | __marco: that ought to work with debian 8 |
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| 12:26.48 | __marco | jelly: the open-vm-tools are not installed. Could be this the problem? |
| 12:26.49 | jelly | __marco: can you show a screenshot of "ip a" output and "cat /etc/network/interfaces"? |
| 12:26.52 | jelly | no |
| 12:27.11 | jelly | don't need open-vm-tools just to get networking running |
| 12:27.30 | jercos | ^that'd be b43 levels of irony |
| 12:27.33 | __marco | jelly: I did not configured /etc/network/interfaces. Just tried plain ifconfig and route |
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| 12:27.55 | jelly | show your work, then |
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| 12:28.16 | jelly | __marco: show the output of "ip a" and "ip r" |
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| 12:28.29 | __marco | jelly: yes, just a second please |
| 12:28.32 | jelly | use picpaste.com or imgur.com |
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| 12:28.53 | jelly | __marco: and "uname -a" while you're at it |
| 12:29.12 | jelly | which debian release do you have installed? |
| 12:29.19 | __marco | jelly: debian stable |
| 12:30.00 | __marco | jelly: I am sorry. I cannot get access to the machine right now. I need few minutes |
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| 12:30.39 | __marco | jelly: but I remarked that there is an network adapter: eth0, even thou the module vmxnet3 was not loaded |
| 12:31.28 | __marco | jelly: could you confirm that I cannot open the web console in linux? |
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| 12:31.45 | __marco | because I have to use the machine from a college |
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| 12:35.41 | xsmltx | Hi, tell me please is there any way to enable right click to use it on the touch screen device with Lubunut-core minimal installation and Fluxbox the only installed environment? I've been trying with easystroke, but no result yet. Thank you. |
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| 12:39.25 | Lowl3v3l | xsdg, lubuntu is not debian. |
| 12:39.35 | Lowl3v3l | xsmltx, lubuntu is not debian |
| 12:39.41 | Lowl3v3l | sry xsdg , misstabbed^^ |
| 12:40.22 | xsmltx | Lowl3v3l, excuse me, wrong channel.... |
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| 12:43.21 | jelly | __marco: Avoid it. Web console works, partially, only from Chrome, and it has to be started with English locale (env LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 google-chrome) |
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| 12:44.15 | jelly | __marco: for some reason it's more stable on ubuntu 16.04 lts than on debian 8, with exact same google-chrome-stable version |
| 12:44.50 | jelly | and sometimes it inputs things wrong |
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| 12:46.44 | __marco | jelly: I have to use it, because I have no other access to the machine and, because of this, I have to post a photo of the commands |
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| 12:47.48 | jelly | or tell the admin to reconfigure back to e1000 |
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| 12:48.20 | xsmltx | sdasdas |
| 12:48.21 | xsmltx | d |
| 12:48.21 | xsmltx | s |
| 12:48.43 | jelly | xsmltx: you're live with #Debian |
| 12:49.14 | xsmltx | My aplogizes jelly |
| 12:49.45 | __marco | jelly: https://imagebin.ca/v/2ymay3ayXGnv |
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| 12:54.58 | __marco | jelly: ip 192.168.89.15, gw 192.168.89.1, really simple but I cannot ping neither the gw nor the other hosts |
| 12:55.55 | jelly | __marco: that looks about right. If tcpdump is installed, run "tcpdump -ni eth0", leave it listening for 30-60seconds, is there any traffic? |
| 12:56.49 | __marco | it is not installed. I will contact the data center |
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| 12:57.02 | __marco | jelly: thanks for looking on this |
| 12:57.08 | jelly | __marco: after you unsuccessfully ping 192.168.89.1, is there an entry for it in "arp -an" otuput? |
| 12:58.11 | __marco | ? 192.168.89.1 at (incomplete) in eth0 (manual copy and paste) |
| 12:58.46 | jelly | so no arp reply at all, that does not bode well |
| 12:58.54 | __marco | I don't know if I can configure the network from vsphere web client |
| 12:59.11 | jelly | depends on the permissions they gave you (probably not) |
| 12:59.20 | __marco | not many |
| 12:59.32 | __marco | I will contact them then |
| 12:59.36 | jelly | right |
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| 13:33.54 | __marco | jelly: If you are interested, they putted the vm in the wrong vlan... :-( |
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| 13:52.06 | CtrlC | Can doing systemctl restart ssh.service in a ssh session cause any problem on a VPS? |
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| 13:55.08 | jelly | CtrlC: it shouldn't, if it does that's a bug |
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| 13:55.59 | CtrlC | Did it and I didn't notice anything. I was expecting a disconnection at least. |
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| 13:57.40 | jelly | that's how it's supposed to be |
| 13:57.56 | jelly | current sessions are untouched |
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| 13:58.20 | morf | it's survives short interruption |
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| 14:02.08 | jelly | morf: you should be able to shut down the service, current sshd children will live as long as nothing else makes them die |
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| 14:25.01 | DammitJim | is ssh -p 443 -o NumberOfPasswordPrompts=1 -o PreferredAuthentications=keyboard-interactive,password -l myftp myftp1test.mydomain.com -s sftp |
| 14:25.09 | DammitJim | is that sftp or is that ssh? |
| 14:25.19 | DammitJim | I"m confused as to what this guy is trying to do to connect to my server |
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| 14:25.41 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:25.48 | greycat | That's not an option I have ever used before. |
| 14:25.55 | DammitJim | is that different than just calling sftp directly? |
| 14:26.15 | greycat | I have no clue. Ask #openssh or test it yourself. |
| 14:26.19 | DammitJim | thanks! |
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| 14:35.13 | veek | why isn't swap being used |
| 14:35.17 | ToHellWithGA | it feels very counterintuitive that mdadm setup during a netinst fails to mention that all partitions in the array other than the first must be manually added later. |
| 14:35.49 | veek | i have 2G ram and a 4G swapfile, swap seems to be under used |
| 14:35.56 | ToHellWithGA | i've been running jessies for about 3 months with daily errors piling up in mail, each about a degraded array - i.e. only one active device |
| 14:36.26 | greycat | Probably because you just haven't needed it yet. |
| 14:36.28 | veek | i also use hibernate from time to time and i heard that there's some problem with doing both |
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| 14:36.38 | ToHellWithGA | is there a place to suggest improvements to the netinst process? |
| 14:36.51 | greycat | Probably #debian-boot on OFTC. |
| 14:37.19 | veek | ah swapiness |
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| 14:38.16 | `Kevin | veek: do you really want to swap? :| |
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| 14:39.31 | veek | `Kevin, hey :) ah.. no, but i feel it's underused.. anyway let me mess with it a bit |
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| 14:39.55 | `Kevin | veek: best case scenario it is never used :) |
| 14:39.55 | ToHellWithGA | thanks greycat |
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| 14:40.32 | veek | yeah but running chrome and virtualbox on a core-2 is a pain |
| 14:40.40 | veek | and i've recently had to |
| 14:41.09 | veek | just want to make sure it's not a problem with hibernate |
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| 14:41.28 | veek | there was some guff about not being able to do both.. on the same file |
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| 14:43.27 | jonko | last time i installed debian or any other linux distro the fonts where a big problem for me, they where so ugly and caused eye strain |
| 14:43.37 | jonko | espesially when browsing |
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| 14:44.06 | jonko | i am interested in trying out debian again but am wondeing what is going on in the fonts department |
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| 14:46.11 | veek | my fonts seem okay |
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| 14:46.47 | jonko | i am used to windows and i have to spend long hours behind the screen so fonts are important to my eyes health |
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| 14:49.18 | veek | http://storage2.static.itmages.com/i/16/1017/h_1476715799_5438186_d76dd7a623.png (font piccie in xterm) |
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| 14:52.03 | veek | http://storage6.static.itmages.com/i/16/1017/h_1476715930_7211808_13b21647d5.png firefox, chrome, hexchat |
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| 14:58.05 | veek | hmm with 4G my box is responsive enough to run FF, GC, chat, and xp and pdfs - wow |
| 14:59.02 | veek | Swap: 4194300 6828 4187472 with swapiness at 10 |
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| 15:50.56 | yeehi | What is the official name for the Debian project? Is it Debian GNU/Linux? That doesn't appear on the website, as far as i can see. |
| 15:51.18 | greycat | Debian GNU/Linux is the operating system. |
| 15:51.38 | greycat | Although I suppose there may be a trend toward simplifying.... |
| 15:51.56 | TomTomTosch | debian.org > about debian > "The Debian Project is an association of individuals who (...)" |
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| 15:52.36 | TomTomTosch | "Debian Project" is the official name for the debian project ^^ |
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| 15:53.26 | TomTomTosch | it includes Debian GNU/Linux but is not limited to that. |
| 15:53.32 | greycat | A large part of the basic tools that fill out the operating system come from the GNU project; hence the names: GNU/Linux, GNU/kFreeBSD, and GNU/Hurd. |
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| 15:56.31 | yeehi | Thanks good people. Of course, there is HURD, and thanks for mentioning kFreeBSD, too. |
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| 15:56.44 | yeehi | So The Debian Project is it... |
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| 15:57.52 | n4dir | last time i tried kFreeBSD it worked pretty well. Hurd, as far it's me, was quite some pain. |
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| 16:12.42 | nemo | So... I just installed my first ever debian - had been on ubuntu for years, but making the transition to devuan. |
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| 16:12.58 | nemo | The installer was kinda painful to use I gotta say ⺠|
| 16:14.03 | eumel | it's pretty much the same isn't it? |
| 16:14.07 | epsilon | just keep pressing enter and you have default installation :P |
| 16:14.14 | eumel | at least with the text-based installation |
| 16:14.23 | nemo | failed to install grub, had to grab the ubuntu boot-repair PPA to fix that. insists on internet, but has no provision to setup wifi. no desktop mode which makes DDGing/googling for stuff way more pleasant |
| 16:14.33 | somiaj | nemo: what install image did you use? |
| 16:14.43 | TomTomTosch | !devuan |
| 16:14.43 | dpkg | Devuan (https://devuan.org/) is a fork of Debian, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>. Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan on chat.freenode.net for support. |
| 16:14.44 | cluelessperson | how can I configure dpkg to log verbose output? |
| 16:14.45 | nemo | somiaj: devuan jessie. but they said they were using standard installer |
| 16:14.51 | cluelessperson | in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cnf ? |
| 16:15.02 | nemo | TomTomTosch: yeah, I know, I just figured I'd mention the installer was kind of a pain since it was yours ⺠|
| 16:15.02 | cluelessperson | NOT through the command line with dpkg -D<octal> |
| 16:15.07 | nemo | TomTomTosch: devuan itself is working fine |
| 16:15.13 | somiaj | nemo: well you should go talk to devuan about their installers. Debian doesn't support installers made by other distros. |
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| 16:15.32 | nemo | somiaj: ok. I thought it was yours. my understanding is they were just fixing the systemd packages, not touching the installer |
| 16:15.42 | somiaj | nemo: on debian the live-image installers don't work as well as the offical debian instalelrs. But in most cases those work just fine and install grub just fine. |
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| 16:15.48 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 16:15.49 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 16:16.00 | somiaj | nemo: we have no clue what they have changed in both the installer and the debian system to remove systemd. |
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| 16:16.43 | nemo | somiaj: hm. my apologies, debian-installer *is* on the list of forked packages. go figure |
| 16:16.55 | nemo | somiaj: so does the normal live cd installer for debian have an option to join wifi? ⺠|
| 16:17.18 | nemo | somiaj: https://devuan.org/os/packages/list/forked-from-debian fwiw |
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| 16:18.18 | nemo | somiaj: alright. will follow up w/ them, anyway. sorry. thought I was getting a more or less authentic debian experience for the first time ever |
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| 16:18.42 | somiaj | nemo: you might want to ask devuan support since that is what you are using. In debian wifi requires non-free firmware in most cases so that requires using unoffical images or having non-free firmware during the install. But the unoffical netinstall is the prefered install medium with non-free firmware. I usually suggest not installing from the debian live images. But this has nothign to do with what is sug |
| 16:18.48 | somiaj | gested for devaun. |
| 16:19.10 | nemo | somiaj: ah. good point. I did have to install the non-free to get wifi working on this machine. that would be a chicken and egg problem on the CD |
| 16:19.17 | nemo | so that could explain my probs. it didn't even find the device |
| 16:19.53 | nemo | somiaj: the grub installer was odd... ended up having to add the ubuntu PPA boot-repair to get it working. seems unlikely devuan would have messed w/ that but who knows |
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| 16:20.35 | missmbob | !tell nemo about dont break debian |
| 16:20.44 | gebruiker | Font issues. Fonts are still fugly after install fontconfig infinality as suggested by debainwiki page. What to do? Eye strain. |
| 16:20.51 | missmbob | mixing ubuntu ppa will eventually mess you up |
| 16:21.07 | nemo | missmbob: well... wasn't thrilled w/ it, but was the only way to get boot-repair according to the dude's website |
| 16:21.09 | gebruiker | hi missmbob |
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| 16:21.31 | nemo | missmbob: and w/o it, commandline grub install and debian gui were just choking for no obvious reason |
| 16:21.41 | nemo | I guess his script does some arcane config |
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| 16:22.10 | wewlad | hello, debs |
| 16:22.18 | wewlad | I've got a problem with netcat |
| 16:22.19 | nemo | missmbob: once I had my grub installed, I didn't need it anymore ⺠|
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| 16:22.53 | n4dir | you could just use chroot from a live-CD and install grub, nemo |
| 16:22.55 | nemo | gebruiker: you have subpixel hinting enabled? |
| 16:23.01 | wewlad | I use nc to send plain text messages over udp to the target ip:port, but for some reason nc just stops by itself. Why's that happening? how to fix that? |
| 16:23.02 | nemo | n4dir: yeah. that's what I tried at first |
| 16:23.05 | nemo | n4dir: kept failing |
| 16:23.28 | nemo | no idea why. something about unable to locate EFI partition or something. dunno. I'm not very EFI savvy. it kinda reminds me of systemd ð |
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| 16:23.50 | gebruiker | nemo, I have the settings from the debian wiki so yes afaik. After using the config from the debian wiki I even installed ifinality that made things much better but still causing eye strain |
| 16:24.06 | nemo | gebruiker: what window manager are you using? |
| 16:24.12 | gebruiker | nemo xfce |
| 16:24.16 | nemo | hm. |
| 16:24.26 | nemo | wonder if I even have that on this machine right now. kinda gotten used to MATE |
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| 16:24.43 | nemo | nope. oh well |
| 16:25.12 | gebruiker | nemo, the infinality packages are packaged that they are configured out of the box. I did -as recommended- created an .Xresoruces file in $HOME with the suggested settings |
| 16:26.06 | nemo | gebruiker: yeah, this really seems to be something your gui should be able to offer you a nice interface for ⺠|
| 16:26.34 | nemo | in gnome2/MATE that would be Systemâ Preferences â Appearance â Fonts where the standard options have always made me pretty happy |
| 16:26.45 | gebruiker | nemo xfce has a option to configure hinting and such but that does not really help as it is already configured by .Xresources |
| 16:26.52 | missmbob | in xfce it's settings->appearance->fonts |
| 16:26.57 | wewlad | so I run 'nc -z -u 192.168.0.2 12345' and first it opens prompt (where I can write in some stuff), but in about 2 seconds it just closes the prompt. Why is that happening? |
| 16:27.02 | nemo | missmbob: about same gui then? |
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| 16:27.13 | missmbob | yeah |
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| 16:28.00 | johanskizo | how to install nvidia? |
| 16:28.16 | eumel | wewlad, try running with -v for verbose output, maybe nc has something more to say to yo |
| 16:28.23 | johanskizo | i use hybird vga nvidia with intel |
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| 16:29.01 | missmbob | !bumblebee |
| 16:29.01 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:29.03 | nemo | gebruiker: just wondering... you're not more used to, oh, fonts under windows or OSX are you? |
| 16:29.20 | gebruiker | nemo yes I am unfortunally |
| 16:29.25 | nemo | gebruiker: mmm. which one? |
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| 16:29.35 | gebruiker | nemo, windows |
| 16:29.37 | nemo | kk |
| 16:29.38 | wewlad | eumel: it tells me 'targethostname.mylan [192.168.0.2] 12345 (?) open' |
| 16:29.42 | converge | Im trying to use requests, and I always get ZeroReturnError, so I uninstall openssl package (debian), install again, and requests works again. someone knows whats wrong ? |
| 16:29.51 | nemo | gebruiker: not like Windows 10 right? More Windows XP/Windows 7? |
| 16:30.05 | nemo | gebruiker: that is, clamped to stright pixel grid? |
| 16:30.09 | johanskizo | when i install bumblebee it must be purge noveau too? |
| 16:30.13 | nemo | gebruiker: heavy use of bitmapped font sizes? |
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| 16:30.22 | nemo | *strict |
| 16:30.23 | gebruiker | nemo, like windows 10 . I already tried setting the infinality style to ms but it did not help |
| 16:30.35 | nemo | oh. huh. |
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| 16:30.46 | johanskizo | nemo? |
| 16:30.47 | nemo | I've always thought Windows 10 fonts are a lot closer to Linux in rendering. Interesting |
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| 16:31.11 | nemo | johanskizo: sorry talking to gebruiker here and neglecting to prepend name |
| 16:31.29 | nemo | gebruiker: say. just for the heck of it |
| 16:31.36 | nemo | gebruiker: what if we compared screenshots |
| 16:31.44 | thowe | adding my ipv6 info into /etc/network/interfaces is never enough to get me online... I have had to adopt running an additional script. Am I missing something here? http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/536377 |
| 16:32.17 | nemo | gebruiker: machine I'm on is ubuntu 14.04 in preparation for for a transition to devuan, but should be pretty close right |
| 16:32.38 | Gaiseric | Hello everyone! Jessie here with backported kernel and nVidia drivers with bumblebee (versions 4.7.0 and 352.79 respectively). Latest updates broke OpenGL acceleration. Running "primusrun glxgears" gives a blank window and reports "X Error of failed request: GLXBadFBConfig" and "Minor opcode of failed request: 24 (X_GLXCreateNewContext)"... Anyone with similar setup/problems? |
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| 16:32.51 | gebruiker | nemo sure, but i know ubuntu patched their fontconfig ...are you taking a screenshot within unity de? |
| 16:33.03 | nemo | gebruiker: naw. MATE. gnome24lyfe yo ⺠|
| 16:33.10 | nemo | gebruiker: haven't found a desktop to match it yet. |
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| 16:33.30 | jak2000 | jmcnaught thanks |
| 16:33.33 | jak2000 | you saved me |
| 16:33.42 | jak2000 | send 8 miller high life to jmcnaught! |
| 16:33.50 | gebruiker | nemo. i see, i tried mate to until I found xfce with wshikermenu :) ... interesting, how would you like to compare ? |
| 16:34.50 | gebruiker | nemo i found some interesting font configs on github, same guy who did some cool stuff with infinality |
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| 16:36.49 | nemo | gebruiker: I'm just taking a screenshot in gimp w/ some representative windows. I'm curious about the "looks ugly" thing |
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| 16:36.59 | carandraug | could anyone with debian jessie and libgdcm2-dev installed, tell me what this returns? "cmake --find-package -DNAME=GDCM -DCOMPILER_ID=GNU -DLANGUAGE=CXX -DMODE=LINK" |
| 16:37.07 | nemo | gebruiker: it kinda reminds me of experimenting in web fonts ages and ages ago where the difference across platforms was enormous |
| 16:37.09 | carandraug | ups. Not jessie. I mean Debian wheezy |
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| 16:38.22 | nemo | gebruiker: my main issue w/ XFCE4 was it was just... clunky... I used it years and years ago on some minimal setups, but recent desktop shootout suggests it isn't even a win on memory usage |
| 16:38.40 | bolt | carandraug: chroot :) |
| 16:38.46 | bolt | carandraug: just in case nobody replies |
| 16:38.50 | gebruiker | nemo interesting I chose it for that reason actually |
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| 16:38.55 | nemo | gebruiker: for example, setting date/time from widget. not too easy to do. desktop config scattered in various places. shortage of desktop widgets. Rather like the convenience of the gnome vfs etc |
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| 16:39.29 | gebruiker | nemo here is mine: https://s11.postimg.org/lrb3e6in7/Schermafdruk_17_10_16_18_38_10.png |
| 16:39.31 | nemo | gebruiker: https://l3net.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/cmp-all4.png |
| 16:39.38 | nemo | gebruiker: that's the desktop memory |
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| 16:39.56 | nemo | gebruiker: I did use xfce4 rather successfully years ago on a laptop with a whole 96MiB of RAM ⺠|
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| 16:40.00 | nemo | gebruiker: it ran gentoo ⺠|
| 16:40.08 | nemo | but that was a loooong time ago |
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| 16:40.23 | carandraug | bolt: can you explain that better. Is that when you have a whole other system in kind of a container? Any instructions how to do it? |
| 16:40.40 | gebruiker | interesting - thanks for the share |
| 16:40.45 | nemo | gebruiker: hm... is that image resized? |
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| 16:41.03 | nemo | it just looks really fuzzy |
| 16:41.10 | gebruiker | must be auto resized, lets see... |
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| 16:41.43 | gebruiker | nemo, https://postimg.org/image/ole8rmktb/ then clicking on the image. |
| 16:42.12 | nemo | oh wow |
| 16:42.14 | nemo | that's ugly to you? |
| 16:42.15 | nemo | uhoh |
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| 16:42.38 | gebruiker | nemo that is with the fontocnfig infinality patches |
| 16:42.46 | Gaiseric | gebruiker: That's quite nice font rendering actrually |
| 16:42.52 | nemo | yeah |
| 16:42.58 | Gaiseric | gebruiker: I much prefer it to windows |
| 16:43.06 | nemo | Gaiseric: I'm a bit concerned he might want pixel grid snapping or something tricky to do like that |
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| 16:43.33 | nemo | thankfully the rise of high dpi monitors is gonna obsolete all that very soon |
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| 16:43.47 | johanskizo | somebody help mee |
| 16:43.48 | helioge | how can i check the last time a user (root) logged in via ssh? i log sshd activity to /var/log/secure? |
| 16:44.05 | nemo | helioge: depends on how often you rotate the log |
| 16:44.06 | Gaiseric | nemo: You mean changing the hinting settings? |
| 16:44.10 | nemo | helioge: otherwise just greb the log |
| 16:44.33 | nemo | Gaiseric: windows used to be extremely aggressive in snapping chars to pixel grid alignment |
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| 16:44.57 | nemo | Gaiseric: and made heavy use of bitmap fonts for certain font sizes. encoutnered this when my boss wanted his fav windows font on websites |
| 16:44.58 | eumel | just use last |
| 16:45.03 | nemo | and it looked awful in OSX and Linu |
| 16:45.21 | n4dir | carandraug: i am not sure if i got you right, if so forgive me: look at the package "debootstrap" |
| 16:45.31 | Gaiseric | nemo: Yes, I think they disabled font AA for small sizes on Windows |
| 16:46.00 | carandraug | n4dir: I'm reading this now https://wiki.debian.org/chroot |
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| 16:46.13 | nemo | gebruiker: here's my desktop FWIW, w/ basically no configuration whatsoever http://m8y.org/tmp/screen.png |
| 16:46.20 | nemo | gebruiker: apart from turning on subpixel hinting |
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| 16:46.36 | nemo | gebruiker: naturally that's not going to show up in screenshots at all |
| 16:46.53 | n4dir | carandraug: yes, thats pretty much i could have said too. good luck |
| 16:46.54 | nemo | gebruiker: unless by some miracle you have exact same desktop size and lcd orientation ⺠|
| 16:46.58 | nemo | and use fullscreen ⺠|
| 16:47.27 | gebruiker | interesting the ubuntu fonts, i feel more relaxtion in my eyes actually |
| 16:47.48 | nemo | gebruiker: so. the shapes instantly get a lot thinner if you enable subpixel hinting |
| 16:47.57 | nemo | gebruiker: at least in the MATE Appearance dialog |
| 16:48.08 | nemo | gebruiker: want me to take same desktop w/o subpixel as a comparison? |
| 16:48.24 | nemo | gebruiker: I notice your D is heavier than mine for example |
| 16:48.32 | gebruiker | i have Xft.lcdfilter: lcddefault in $HOME/.Xresources hmm |
| 16:48.45 | gebruiker | yes it might be because of hintfull i might change that into light |
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| 16:49.05 | nemo | gebruiker: I have mine set to Full too... |
| 16:49.30 | nemo | gebruiker: subpixel, 96DPI, Full, RGB |
| 16:49.43 | nemo | pretty sure I verified this screen was RGB. they usually are.. |
| 16:50.22 | nemo | gebruiker: oh. and I'm using the "Ubuntu" font |
| 16:50.33 | gebruiker | be right back I applied a custom fontconfig in my system. Lets see what it does nemo |
| 16:50.36 | nemo | as you can see in the screenshot I guess |
| 16:50.41 | nemo | gl |
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| 17:05.53 | jmcnaught | jak2000: did you end up needing to grow the root file system, or reduce the logical volume that it was on? |
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| 17:09.45 | blawiz | is there a way to tie two applicaions together in a meta-window? eg have a fm and what it starts act as one window |
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| 17:10.39 | blawiz | eg if im watching a series, and the series is done i would go back to the fm |
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| 17:12.04 | jmcnaught | blawiz: you might find a windows manager with a feature like this. kwin had/has a tabbed windows feature. For that particular use case, you could use a video player to open the videos (like VLC's media library for example) |
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| 17:12.59 | blawiz | ah yes :) ill ask in #openbox, ty! |
| 17:13.54 | nemo | blawiz: also some media apps can play in an arbitrary window ID ⺠|
| 17:14.06 | nemo | never tried it in a file manager personally. bet it would depend on compositing and the file manager |
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| 17:14.44 | jmcnaught | blawiz: nautilus also has a preview feature (space bar) that can open videos |
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| 17:15.40 | blawiz | hmm... i usually like to hack solutions myself, and use particular software (: |
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| 17:20.36 | sm00th | haha |
| 17:20.41 | sm00th | ^ |
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| 17:25.16 | greathector7 | hello! |
| 17:25.17 | greathector7 | i need your help on my desktop! had a compaq cq1507la |
| 17:25.17 | greathector7 | and i install linux debian 8.6 but its detect 2 monitor, and i only had 1. how i could resolve this? |
| 17:25.23 | greathector7 | i install debian 8.6 |
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| 17:43.15 | nemo | greathector7: sure it isn't just detecting 2 gfx cards? |
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| 18:06.55 | DrSlony | Hello, I will soon release RawTherapee 5 and I want to make sure that Debian will ship it. Is there anyone here who is either a Debian package maintainer or aware of any issues with the RawTherapee codebase as far as Debian is concerned? |
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| 18:09.04 | somiaj | DrSlony: at this time it will be hard to get a new package into stretch before the freeze. If you are looking for someone to package the software for you, you can put a requst to package request otherwise you could look into mataining your own package and see if debian will accept them. |
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| 18:09.27 | somiaj | DrSlony: https://wiki.debian.org/RFP |
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| 18:11.15 | jmcnaught | it looks like rawtherapee is already packaged, so DrSlony you could reach out to the maintainers with a bug report asking if they could package the newer version |
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| 18:18.50 | DrSlony | jmcnaught could you check who the maintainer is? I guess you're on debian and there is some command for that... |
| 18:20.16 | greycat | DrSlony: http://packages.debian.org/yourpkgname |
| 18:20.40 | DrSlony | thanks |
| 18:21.14 | missmbob | DrSlony: dont email him directly, though. that's annoying. just file a simple bug report once you release it. |
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| 18:21.53 | nikolov_ | how to use wifi in mi laptop |
| 18:22.40 | nikolov_ | !wifi |
| 18:22.40 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 18:23.03 | DrSlony | missmbob simple bug report = register for new account, which is annoying to me ;) |
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| 18:23.43 | DrSlony | but I'm not here asking to have a new build included, I'm here to find out whether there are currently any known issues, so that I can fix them before releasing it. |
| 18:23.47 | DrSlony | I'll contact the maintainer. |
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| 18:24.17 | DrSlony | has a dream, that all distro issue trackers use a common login |
| 18:24.18 | greycat | http://bugs.debian.org/yourpkgname |
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| 18:25.58 | teraflops | DrSlony: thank $GOD people cares and report bugs |
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| 18:26.07 | teraflops | not you obviously |
| 18:26.27 | jmcnaught | nikolov_: most people just need to install a firmware and then use the networkmanager gui. What have you tried? |
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| 18:27.14 | DrSlony | teraflops woah, amazing. You don't know me, I come here, not being a Debian user but trying to pre-emptively make things better for Debian RT users, and you give me that... Have a nice day dude :] |
| 18:27.38 | jmcnaught | DrSlony: you don't need to create an account to report bugs, it's all done over email. The bugs.debian.org site is just a web front end to the primarily email system. If you have a Debian system you can use reportbug. The process is described here: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 18:28.34 | teraflops | DrSlony: sorry? I just inferred that from what you wrote. |
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| 18:30.17 | nikolov_ | jmcnaught i just see mt router to connect 100 mb/s |
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| 18:30.56 | jmcnaught | nikolov_: i don't understand |
| 18:31.50 | nikolov_ | my laptop how to connect my router internet aut of cable |
| 18:32.08 | nikolov_ | my engish is not good |
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| 18:32.51 | codfection | what kernel is testing / unstable right now? |
| 18:32.54 | jmcnaught | nikolov_: it's okay :) there are other debian channels in various languages if you want to try that. otherwise.. currently you are connected with an ethernet cable, but you want to use wifi instead? |
| 18:33.12 | nikolov_ | bulgarian |
| 18:33.15 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 18:33.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.6-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.5-1~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2) |
| 18:33.33 | nikolov_ | Client: HexChat 2.12.0 ⢠OS: Debian stretch/sid ⢠CPU: AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology MK-36 (800MHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 1,9âGiB Total (1,6âGiB Free) Swap: 3,7âGiB Total (3,7âGiB Free) ⢠Storage: 8,3âGB / 76,2âGB (67,9âGB Free) ⢠VGA: 10de:0244 @ 1022:1100 ⢠Uptime: 33m 57s |
| 18:34.13 | greycat | Unicode Character 'BULLET' (U+2022) |
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| 18:34.28 | greycat | Unicode Character 'HAIR SPACE' (U+200A) |
| 18:34.32 | greycat | hair... what? |
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| 18:34.48 | jmcnaught | nikolov_: there might not be an IRC channel for Bulgarian, but there are some resources listed here: https://www.debian.org/international/Bulgarian |
| 18:35.11 | nikolov_ | ok |
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| 18:36.31 | jmcnaught | nikolov_: you will also find stretch/testing support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (a different network). this channel primarily supports stable releases. I recommend you put the output of the following commands on http://paste.debian.net and ask the stretch channel: "dmesg | grep firmware" and "lspci -nnk | grep -i net" |
| 18:37.00 | jmcnaught | (or try asking the mailing list linked in the above link) |
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| 18:38.52 | jmcnaught | Dreaman: it's on irc.oftc.net which is a different network from freenode |
| 18:39.05 | Dreaman | ok |
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| 18:41.41 | gshrikant | I noticed that opening /proc/self/fd when in a zsh session yields 4 FDs (stdio and 10). Running it with `bash` also creates 4 FDs (stdio, 255). Strace shows both bash and zsh open 4 FDs on the pty when starting and then dup2 them to 255/10. Why is this the case? |
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| 18:42.03 | gshrikant | lsof shows the extra fd connected to the terminal |
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| 18:43.05 | gshrikant | I don't know if this is the best channel for the question. Apologies if that is not the case! |
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| 18:48.23 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: A hair space is narrower than a short space. |
| 18:48.29 | DrSlony | aah haha, I know the maintainer, didn't know it was him |
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| 18:53.22 | rdz | hey all. i'm having troubles with background tasks started by user's crontab in jessie. i made a script that start some audio applications like jackd, fluidsynth and mpd, but after a while jackd can't be connected anymore |
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| 18:54.08 | rdz | strange is that i write pids into different files in a folder audiopids inside /run/user/1000 |
| 18:54.32 | rdz | however, when "it" happens, the folder is gone.. |
| 18:54.48 | rdz | are there some cleanup tasks performed by systemd? |
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| 18:55.17 | rdz | can i tell systemd not to clean up any background tasks? |
| 18:55.53 | greycat | What is "it"? What directory is "gone"? |
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| 18:57.54 | jmcnaught | rdz: look at logind.conf(5) or consider changing the cron job so it doesn't depend on a directory that is only present when a user is logged in |
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| 18:58.02 | rdz | greycat, gone is the directory /run/user/1000/audiopids with all its contents.. it was all created at boot time from the script started from user's crontab |
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| 18:58.40 | rdz | jmcnaught, ah.. /run/user/<uid> is deleted when corresponding is _not_ logged in? |
| 18:59.36 | rdz | greycat, by "it" i mean, jackd process is still running, but jack clients don't "see" it and ccan't connect to jackd server |
| 18:59.57 | greycat | Maybe jackd removes this directory when it exits? I know absolutely nothing about jackd. |
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| 19:00.51 | greycat | And yes, /run/user/UID is a transient directory, only existing while you are logged in. |
| 19:01.34 | rdz | greycat, no.. this folder is purely specific to my script and is not related to jackd.. however, both seem to happen at the same time (jackd unreachable, folder gone) |
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| 19:02.34 | rdz | what about programs that are started by crontab at boot time (without a user logged in): are they running in a session too? |
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| 19:04.03 | rdz | or in other words: can i use crontab to start tasks that run as daemon, or is that a wrong approach from the beginning? |
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| 19:05.06 | greycat | You don't mean "as user daemon", do you? You mean "as a normal user who will login some time in the future"? |
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| 19:05.47 | greycat | You should be able to launch daemons as a regular user, as long as you don't make them depend on resources that won't exist permanently. |
| 19:06.30 | rdz | greycat, now i'm suspicious that jackd has dependencies that are only available when a user is logged in.... |
| 19:06.48 | rdz | greycat, is dbus somethiung that runs only during a logged in user session, too? |
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| 19:07.36 | rdz | is there a way to emulate a logged in user? i guess that would save me some trouble |
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| 19:09.49 | jmcnaught | rdz: logind.conf has a RemoveIPC= directive that defaults to true. I don't know jackd very well, but i imagine it was designed to be used primarily by an active login session. I don't know the root problem you're trying to solve, but perhaps you should check out systemd timer units and systemd per-user sessions (eg systemctl --user) |
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| 19:10.51 | rdz | jmcnaught, thanks..that gives me something to research for.. |
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| 19:12.16 | rdz | jmcnaught, my goal is to start my raspberry by with jackd already running, so that some audio programs like mpd can play audio on-demand |
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| 19:12.52 | rdz | but it seems since systemd things are not so straighforward anymore as they used to be |
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| 19:15.18 | greycat | Can jackd just exist as a *traditional* daemon, independent of all this crazy systemd, /run, etc. stuff? And then connect to it? |
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| 19:16.17 | rdz | greycat, i don't really, but i guess it can't.. i had it fail at times and i hat do restart dbus.service to make it work again |
| 19:16.35 | rdz | *i don't really know |
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| 19:22.25 | rdz | maybe what i want is setting 'RemoveIPC=no', as jmcnaught suggested.. thanks |
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| 19:24.15 | jmcnaught | rdz: i wouldn't consider that ideal and i do not know all the consequences of it. i'm sure the jack package(s) has some documentatio that will indicate various ways of running it, possibly as a system service |
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| 19:28.10 | onox | I just tried to upgrade from jessie to stretch: min upgrade, then dist-upgrade then (IIRC) upgrade the kernel |
| 19:28.12 | onox | then rebooted |
| 19:28.18 | onox | now I got dropped into busybox |
| 19:28.26 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 19:28.27 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:28.28 | onox | seems UUID no longer exists |
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| 20:31.15 | jhutchins_wk | OneM_Industries: WHAT UUID doesn't exist? |
| 20:31.23 | jhutchins_wk | OneM_Industries: N'mind. |
| 20:31.42 | OneM_Industries | Eeh? |
| 20:31.55 | jhutchins_wk | OneM_Industries: Tried to reply to a departed nic. |
| 20:32.23 | OneM_Industries | Ah, ok. |
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| 20:36.56 | greycat | !kali |
| 20:36.56 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 20:59.27 | mahollowspe | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.55 | mahollowspe | Im running debian 8.0 |
| 21:00.13 | greycat | What tool? |
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| 21:00.48 | mahollowspe | nmap as an example |
| 21:01.21 | mahollowspe | I want to give my VPS access to my local network |
| 21:01.34 | greycat | You could *tell* your VPS to run nmap, and you could retrieve the results (strings of characters written to stdout intended to be read by a human), but the probing packets will actually be sent and received by the VPS, not by a system on your LAN. |
| 21:01.54 | greycat | In particular, this means the VPS cannot *probe* systems that are in your protected network. |
| 21:02.47 | greycat | If you want the VPS to be "on" your network, you need to establish what we call a VPN (Virtual Private Network). |
| 21:02.52 | mahollowspe | ok thats what I thoug. If I run Nmap located in a data center somewhere it can only scan that network or itself |
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| 21:03.08 | greycat | It can scan any machine that's directly exposed on the Internet. |
| 21:03.28 | greycat | If your LAN is inside a firewall (NAT), then it can't scan those machines, unless you set up a VPS to connect the systems. |
| 21:03.37 | mahollowspe | right Im aware of that but no internal network right? |
| 21:03.57 | mahollowspe | darn ok thanks |
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| 21:04.29 | greycat | err, set up a VPN |
| 21:05.48 | mahollowspe | I have openvpn server on my remote server and am using it often but I guess that does not help me |
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| 21:06.30 | greycat | Why don't you just install and run nmap on your local computer |
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| 21:07.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | too easy :) |
| 21:07.39 | mahollowspe | I do actully but I was hoping I could just use my server for things like wireshark, nmap etc.. |
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| 21:08.02 | greycat | You would have to use a VPN for this. |
| 21:09.10 | unborn | heh |
| 21:09.46 | bolt | it would be a lot easier to just run kali in a vm for that |
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| 21:09.57 | mahollowspe | so your saying if I connect using a vpn on my server to a local computer It would give local access? |
| 21:09.58 | greycat | You don't even need a VM. |
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| 21:11.58 | mahollowspe | so I have kali installed duel boot and on vbox but Iwas hopping I could access kali tools when dont have access to my own computer. say as an example a work compter |
| 21:12.01 | greycat | This really isn't a situation where the remote VPS buys you anything at all. The probing packets would still have to go from the VPS, through the VPN, out of your local computer's VPN endpoint, across the LAN, to the probed system, then return the same way, ultimately to the VPS, where nmap sees the results, and writes something. Then the written |
| 21:12.15 | greycat | results would have to be sent BACK across the VPN to your local machine for you to see them. |
| 21:12.21 | greycat | It would be a lot simpler just to run nmap on your local system. |
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| 21:13.41 | unborn | I think he is trying to run wireshark on his local machine but pulling the data from network where his server sits |
| 21:13.43 | mahollowspe | ok thanks for your help greycat |
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| 21:14.31 | mahollowspe | noI want to pull info from a network that is ot directly connected to my server |
| 21:14.42 | mahollowspe | not |
| 21:15.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | that made it so much clearer |
| 21:15.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | not |
| 21:15.41 | mahollowspe | sorry lol |
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| 21:23.49 | annoyed | just had a nouveau GPU lockup... is there a way to save my session? |
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| 21:24.40 | annoyed | just had one 6 days ago -_- |
| 21:24.49 | annoyed | ...and 12 days before that |
| 21:25.08 | annoyed | im on tty2 |
| 21:25.18 | annoyed | er... sry tty1 |
| 21:25.23 | annoyed | (if tht matters0 |
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| 21:34.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably no, although I'm not sure what you mean by "session" |
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| 21:36.13 | annoyed | CutMeOwnThroat: my windows and running processes... id like to avoid a full reboot |
| 21:37.01 | missmbob | annoyed: you use gnome i'm guessing? |
| 21:37.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean the X server is frozen |
| 21:37.16 | annoyed | missmbob: yes |
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| 21:37.31 | missmbob | you just have to restart the dm. with gnome it's probably service gdm3 restart |
| 21:37.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the system itself is still there |
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| 21:38.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might even get away with killing and restarting gnome |
| 21:38.14 | annoyed | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe? the only message i get is: "nouveau E[ DRM] GPU lockup - switching to software fbcon" |
| 21:38.28 | annoyed | system is def still there, im sure i could ssh in if i needed |
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| 21:38.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you get the message? |
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| 21:39.22 | sl4v3 | anyone here use SimpleSAMLphp? |
| 21:39.30 | missmbob | after you did the command i said to...what happened? |
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| 21:51.42 | annoyed_ | missmbob: looks like it just hangs and prints nouveau errors |
| 21:51.42 | aedinius | I think I'm going crazy |
| 21:51.55 | annoyed_ | "failed to idle channel" |
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| 21:52.30 | aedinius | anything that links to libass fails to run on one box, but works on another, and they should be configured the same. |
| 21:52.33 | aedinius | mpv: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libass.so.5: undefined symbol: FT_Outline_EmboldenXY |
| 21:52.48 | aedinius | but I know that it's there.... readelf shows me... |
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| 21:58.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have the wrong version of libass or something it uses |
| 21:59.05 | aedinius | CutMeOwnThroat: It's the same version as on the working system. hash matches and everything |
| 22:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | libass itself links in another 15 odd libraries |
| 22:01.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dependencies should take care of that, though |
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| 22:01.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of debian is this |
| 22:01.26 | aedinius | testing |
| 22:01.37 | aedinius | Just trying to figure out the difference between the two installs |
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| 22:02.04 | aedinius | That symbol exists on the so in question |
| 22:02.08 | aedinius | s/on/in/ |
| 22:02.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that's what testing is for. you should probably ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, though, that's focused on testing |
| 22:02.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | and look on bugs.debian.org |
| 22:02.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I'm not sure for what package⦠mpv probably |
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| 22:06.55 | aedinius | mpv and mplayer both do it, same exact file for both on both systems and for libass, which is where the thing its failing to load exists... so confused. |
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| 22:11.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | aedinius, but a different libfreetype |
| 22:11.50 | awal1 | Is it really important to add "sleep bumber-of-seconds" to a given command in autostart/startup/xinitrc files? example: (sleep 2s && conky) & («--- openbox) |
| 22:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably want the X server up before it runs |
| 22:13.54 | tremon | awal1: if a program daemonizes before it is ready to accept connections, it may be necessary |
| 22:13.54 | aedinius | CutMeOwnThroat: nope... same libfreetype |
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| 22:14.32 | awal1 | I only see such recommendation in arch tutorials, not in default files shiped by several WM's. so wondering if really important |
| 22:14.52 | awal1 | tremon, so basically is "better" to do it , I guess |
| 22:15.02 | tremon | it really depends on the program you're running, and what dependencies it has |
| 22:15.26 | aedinius | oh weird, i still had infinality on this one. that was the issue. weird. |
| 22:15.34 | tremon | in an ideal world, programs don't daemonize too soon, and programs also don't crash if a service they depend upon is not immediately available |
| 22:16.04 | jmcnaught | awal1: what happens if you omit sleep? |
| 22:16.04 | awal1 | ok, ok, I got you. |
| 22:16.15 | awal1 | jmcnaught, so nothing |
| 22:16.34 | awal1 | simply the command is run inmediatly when openbox launches |
| 22:17.10 | awal1 | with sleep added, a given commands are run slowly, depending on number of seconds |
| 22:17.13 | jmcnaught | awal1: if you notice no problems without sleep, why use it? |
| 22:17.41 | tremon | as long as you have no dependencies between programs started from xinitrc, I think sleep should not be necessary |
| 22:17.48 | awal1 | jmcnaught, so just "following" some arch recommendations :P |
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| 22:19.06 | glados_ | Our raid5 doesn't work anymore. We let a disk fail, we removed it, we started it with the new disk (bigger size) in, and then grub didn't wanna start properly (grub legacy just gave the cursor). Plugging the old disk back in doesn't work and now it sees /dev/md1 as inactive |
| 22:19.13 | awal1 | tremon, ok, what you say is correct, I mean it's the relevant thing about if sleep can be necessary or not |
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| 23:32.52 | f91w | My USB 3 external HDD was transferring at a nice 75MB/s, but now it has slowed down to 8MB/s. It's all in XHCI mode. NTFS->NTFS. Debian stable with stock kernel. How do I start to figure this out? |
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| 23:35.13 | f91w | I'm using Cinnamon's nemo file manager to transfer the files. I haven't tried anything else. |
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| 23:41.55 | webdev007 | f91w: if you start it over, will it pick up speed again? I wonder if it began transferring a bunch of tiny files? |
| 23:42.06 | notadeveloper | rpi implmnt of ogl isnt that good |
| 23:42.43 | f91w | webdev007: I'll test that |
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| 23:46.22 | f91w | webdev007: It seems to have sped up again but is slowing down |
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| 23:47.09 | webdev007 | f91w: I'm not sure of the cause, but from what I've seen in the past, I immediately suspected it was starting to transfer a bunch of tiny files (rather than a few large ones) |
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| 23:49.48 | webdev007 | f91w: you might be able to see if that is the case by doing something like `rsync --progress src dest` |
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| 23:50.00 | webdev007 | it will show you the progress of each file transfer |
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| 23:51.03 | f91w | thanks webdev007 |
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| 23:52.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it changes during one transfer, yeah |
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| 23:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, this really isn't the most controlled and reproducable (or even reliably readable) form of a benchmark |
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| 23:55.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | but small files vs. big files would at least be easily testable⦠just make one big file at least 3 times as big as your ram, then make 500 with the same combined size |
| 23:56.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | or even 2000⦠anything that still seems plausible |
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