| 00:00.09 | Racha | I still don't have clarity of where the dubug logs for grub will go upon bootup, anyone have insight on that? |
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| 00:03.54 | cruncher | Racha, there are no logs for grub2 |
| 00:04.10 | cruncher | you can check dmesg for the boot log |
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| 00:04.28 | Racha | hmm, then what's the use of turning on the debug? I need to see what grub is doing once the system is booted |
| 00:04.47 | Racha | ah |
| 00:04.51 | cruncher | grub isnt doing anything once its booted |
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| 00:05.05 | cruncher | what "debug" do you mean? |
| 00:05.07 | Racha | I need to see what it did before booting |
| 00:05.19 | fhdrin | Racha, have you tried using the pause key |
| 00:05.43 | cruncher | if you mean all the text that passes by, press the pause key lilke fhdrin suggests |
| 00:05.46 | Racha | This is a hosted VPS, and I don't have access to the machine until it is booted |
| 00:05.48 | fhdrin | Racha, your trying to see what happens before dmesg stuff? |
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| 00:06.13 | fhdrin | have you tried doing dmesg|more |
| 00:06.32 | Racha | dmesg is empty |
| 00:06.45 | fhdrin | might have to do it as root |
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| 00:07.49 | zxc | My connection broke to the chat. Anyway, rsync doesn't seem to be faster than what I was using before (Samba). Am I doing something wrong? |
| 00:08.02 | Racha | I'm logged in as root |
| 00:09.36 | cruncher | zxc, i would be surprised if samba is fast, or rsync as "slow" as samba, but depending on the link it might suffer speed |
| 00:09.42 | fhdrin | maybe try adding 'options loglevel=7' in your kernel command line (you can try 1 through 7) |
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| 00:10.31 | cruncher | could be faster, but there are factors that can slow it down |
| 00:10.42 | zxc | What factors may it depend on? |
| 00:11.01 | cruncher | well, even fragmentation could be one |
| 00:11.29 | zxc | In the connection? |
| 00:11.34 | cruncher | and with rsync you get also only 600? |
| 00:11.41 | cruncher | no, i mean harddisk |
| 00:12.13 | cruncher | zxc, did you check what is the speed when downloading through http i.e? |
| 00:12.16 | zxc | Can't Linux not get fragmented though? And rsync fluctuates between 400-700. |
| 00:12.47 | cruncher | zxc, are they many small files? or one big? |
| 00:13.06 | Kobaz | any idea why one vlan wont come up in this interfaces config: http://pastebin.com/LsCFh5P4 |
| 00:13.14 | zxc | Many small (~500 KB) and one big (250 GB). |
| 00:13.18 | Kobaz | vlan eth0.0010 is not up on boot |
| 00:13.23 | Racha | I should correct that last message... the file /var/log/dmesg is empty, bu the command seems to output the syslog |
| 00:13.25 | Kobaz | eth0.0050 comes up just fine |
| 00:13.32 | Kobaz | and if i do: ifup eth0.0010, it says no such interface |
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| 00:14.37 | cruncher | Kobaz, there is "iface eth0 inet static", not "iface eth0.0010 inet static" |
| 00:14.50 | cruncher | in case it is the portion you provided |
| 00:15.29 | cruncher | zxc, specially on many small files there is the filesystem overhead |
| 00:15.35 | Kobaz | oh crap |
| 00:15.38 | Kobaz | that's it |
| 00:15.41 | cruncher | measure the speed with a big file |
| 00:16.19 | Kobaz | i'm about to leave and i can't leave until this box boots right |
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| 00:16.27 | Kobaz | needs to survive a reboot, hah and the main data vlan's not coming up |
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| 00:16.42 | Kobaz | k fixed that, hopefully i can go get my dinner now |
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| 00:17.24 | Kobaz | yay |
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| 00:20.35 | cruncher | zxc, and specialyl on that amount of data and such a (apparently) slow link, you might turn on the delta-transfer algorithm |
| 00:21.14 | cruncher | more will be calculated, but less sent. check yourself what is better for you,. cpu or network |
| 00:21.47 | Racha | what would you do: I can't get this install to boot off of the 64-bit kernel, and I can't see the grub output. |
| 00:21.54 | cruncher | that assuming it is not a one time command |
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| 00:28.07 | ipx | apparently my system suffers from self-spawning gvfs-daemons and dconf-service |
| 00:28.26 | zxc | My cable supports up to 100 MB/s, but my CPU is a standard i5. Would there be that much of a speed increase if I were to use the CPU? |
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| 00:33.02 | cruncher | zxc, if you have to repeat the same rsync process and not all or even not many files change, then yes |
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| 00:36.40 | zxc | There's also a file which has parentheses, which it gives an error for: "bash: syntax error near unexpected token `)'". |
| 00:38.26 | cruncher | zxc, i think thats more caused by your bash script, not rsync itself |
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| 00:43.07 | themill | zxc: are you running rsync separately for each file? |
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| 00:46.55 | zxc | No, for the files in the folders. |
| 00:47.00 | zxc | One command. |
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| 00:50.14 | themill | I can't imagine why you'd get an error about a ) in that case |
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| 00:55.08 | zxc | It probably has to do something with parentheses, but I can't figure out where to put them. |
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| 00:55.32 | themill | you shouldn't need to put them anywhere. (Real commands and real output in a pastebin might be helpful) |
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| 00:57.40 | zxc | http://pastebin.com/fDHURpun |
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| 00:59.41 | th0r | zxc, put single quotes around the filename |
| 00:59.49 | themill | So you are running a separate rsync for each file? |
| 01:00.43 | zxc | I'm testing it out for this one, Samba's doing the actual work. |
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| 01:01.04 | zxc | So it would be 'Disk Image ... 1653)'? |
| 01:01.21 | th0r | yes try that |
| 01:01.58 | th0r | zxc, include the .img in the quotes |
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| 01:02.45 | th0r | zxc, if that doesn't do it, quote the whole path/filename |
| 01:02.46 | zxc | Including the ".img", it gives me "connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [Receiver] |
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| 01:04.25 | zxc | Starting before "Documents" gives the same error, as does before "user@user-pc". |
| 01:04.37 | zxc | This is single quotes. |
| 01:04.58 | themill | real commands and real output... it's impossible to know what you're actually doing |
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| 01:05.28 | th0r | zxc, I don't use rsync, but a guess....are you sending to a fat or ntfs drive? |
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| 01:05.53 | zxc | ext4, this is Linux-to-Linux. |
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| 01:08.55 | th0r | zxc, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rsync+connection+unexpectedly+closed&ia=web might help |
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| 01:13.17 | zxc | I don't believe the problem is in files -- others work fine, but it seems the parentheses are what cause trouble. |
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| 01:13.28 | zxc | pastebin.com/cJed70q6 |
| 01:13.49 | zxc | What I tried so far |
| 01:14.22 | th0r | zxc, agreed....the quotes may not get transmitted to the other end. rename the file to something simple and try again |
| 01:15.11 | themill | rsync has no problems with parens; the remote filesystem might |
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| 01:15.40 | zxc | A transfer is already in process with the folder its in, though. Renaming the file would cut the transfer I'm afraid. |
| 01:15.44 | th0r | zxc, vnc-ed into my pi3 desktop...hard to type on a tablet |
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| 01:22.37 | zxc | How does winscp compare to Samba and rsync? |
| 01:23.38 | petemc | one is an app, one is reverse engineered protocol, and the other is a file copy tool |
| 01:23.52 | zxc | Respectively? |
| 01:24.01 | petemc | as you read it |
| 01:26.04 | zxc | Alright, got it. |
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| 01:26.24 | zxc | I placed a double quote and then a single quote around the file name. |
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| 01:27.07 | zxc | That is, "rsync -aP user@user-pc.local:Documents/Files/'"Disk Image of sda5 (2016-10-20 1653).img"' Documents/ |
| 01:27.25 | zxc | It's actually single quote-double quote. |
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| 01:28.10 | zxc | But the speeds are similar. |
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| 01:30.13 | petemc | quotes dont affect speed |
| 01:30.16 | petemc | generally |
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| 02:06.47 | coreyfarrell | does debian have a tool to build packages from a chroot? Hoping for something similar to what 'mock' does for rpmbuild. my goal is to build a package for my cubox (armhf) without installing any of the dev packages directly on the root fs. |
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| 02:10.23 | somiaj | coreyfarrell: pbuilder |
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| 02:20.38 | coreyfarrell | somiaj: thanks |
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| 02:24.00 | somiaj | !tell coreyfarrell about pbuilder |
| 02:24.08 | somiaj | coreyfarrell: seems it also suggest looking at sbuild |
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| 04:22.16 | asterismo | hi |
| 04:22.19 | asterismo | i need help |
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| 04:23.42 | Rusty1_ | say what you need help with, asterismo |
| 04:23.51 | asterismo | rkhunter adviced me about Solaris Wanuk rootkik maybe installed |
| 04:23.59 | asterismo | python3 27528 user 6u IPv4 16338963 0t0 TCP myserver.lan:32982->r149-36-77-104.dialup.adsl:https (ESTABLISHED) |
| 04:24.15 | asterismo | that is output of lsof -i | grep 32982 |
| 04:25.18 | asterismo | never been in this situation |
| 04:25.21 | asterismo | what should i do? |
| 04:26.00 | jmcnaught | asterismo: and you don't know why your computer would have a connection to that address? |
| 04:26.14 | jmcnaught | if you think a server is compromised, take it offline immediately |
| 04:26.48 | jmcnaught | make a copy/image of the storage for offline analysis. reinstall from scratch and restore data from backups |
| 04:27.07 | asterismo | but could this be a false alarm? |
| 04:27.15 | asterismo | how do i analyze this? |
| 04:27.37 | ryouma | rkhunter is notorious for false positives, btw |
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| 04:28.09 | jmcnaught | yeah.. but if you cannot explain that connection you pasted, then take it offline |
| 04:28.18 | ryouma | yeah |
| 04:28.49 | ryouma | can he snoop on it? or is that not possible? |
| 04:29.03 | ryouma | https maybe not possible? |
| 04:29.22 | asterismo | how do i snoop on it? |
| 04:29.26 | asterismo | wireshark? |
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| 04:35.29 | asterismo | so? any ideaS? |
| 04:36.01 | AlexLikeRock | wrong chanel asterismo |
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| 04:37.17 | asterismo | AlexLikeRock: where then? i'm runnning debian |
| 04:37.40 | AlexLikeRock | wireles segurity ? |
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| 04:47.18 | RoyK | asterismo: wireshark should see it |
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| 04:47.49 | asterismo | i'm filtering with tcp.port == 32982 but i see nothing |
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| 04:51.21 | pingfloyd | asterismo: cross reference with sudo netstat -tunp |
| 04:52.04 | pingfloyd | asterismo: the question is where python3 comes into this and whether it makes sense |
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| 04:53.31 | asterismo | tcp 0 0 192.168.1.320:32982 172.22.77.224:443 ESTABLISHED 27528/python3 |
| 04:53.56 | asterismo | 172.22.77.224 is the server IP, the internal IP is connecting to the external server IP |
| 04:55.12 | pingfloyd | that makes sense, but the question is still if you're running some python script that makes sense for connecting to the internet |
| 04:55.13 | asterismo | no |
| 04:55.14 | asterismo | wait |
| 04:55.22 | asterismo | it is connecting to this IP |
| 04:55.37 | asterismo | 179.26.57.204 |
| 04:55.40 | pingfloyd | maybe some program you use |
| 04:55.42 | asterismo | shit |
| 04:55.59 | asterismo | what is this? |
| 04:56.05 | jmcnaught | asterismo: look for the process id in systemd-cgls to see what service it's under |
| 04:56.06 | RoyK | it's an adsl subscriber, though |
| 04:56.21 | pingfloyd | like a web browser connection would look similar |
| 04:56.21 | RoyK | Roys-MacBook-Pro:~ roysk$ host 179.26.57.204 |
| 04:56.22 | RoyK | 204.57.26.179.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer r179-26-57-204.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy. |
| 04:57.14 | RoyK | why would you open an https connection to an adsl subscriber in Uruguay? ;) |
| 04:57.47 | spygrid | haha |
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| 04:58.00 | pingfloyd | also try pstree -p | less for a better idea |
| 04:58.31 | TG_ | use top with command line details enabled? |
| 04:58.41 | RoyK | or just 'ps axfu' |
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| 05:00.28 | asterismo | well |
| 05:00.44 | asterismo | it was a RSS bot connected to http://9gagrss.com/feed/ |
| 05:00.54 | asterismo | it was the python process associated to it |
| 05:00.54 | pingfloyd | had a feeling it was something of that nature |
| 05:01.06 | asterismo | wierd |
| 05:01.24 | pingfloyd | asterismo: now you know a little bit more about how your rss bot program works |
| 05:01.56 | pingfloyd | that's rkunter for you though |
| 05:02.02 | RoyK | \o/ |
| 05:02.10 | pingfloyd | getting you all paranoid and jumping to conclusions |
| 05:02.54 | pingfloyd | that's the problem with stuff like that. It's dumb and full of false positives just like AV |
| 05:03.32 | pingfloyd | and if you really are compromised, it probably won't detect that |
| 05:03.40 | pingfloyd | give you false negatives |
| 05:04.01 | asterismo | but did you check that IP on teh browser? http://179.26.57.204/ |
| 05:04.11 | asterismo | its an IP surveillance system login... |
| 05:04.17 | asterismo | fucking mirai |
| 05:04.30 | asterismo | sorry for the expression |
| 05:04.31 | asterismo | lol |
| 05:04.37 | sm00th | the botnet? |
| 05:04.47 | asterismo | xD |
| 05:05.25 | asterismo | the moment i read IP surveillance system i had a nasty feeling |
| 05:05.29 | RoyK | smells like old fish |
| 05:05.34 | asterismo | why it was connecting to that IP... |
| 05:06.04 | missmbob | who gives a shit. did you see the specs they need? it's ancient bullshit |
| 05:06.52 | RoyK | I guess I should setup a vhost default with something like that - when the hostname's not used, show some scary login to mass surveillance :D |
| 05:07.15 | TG_ | most likely it's exactly what it seems though |
| 05:07.27 | missmbob | ancient bullshit. sure. |
| 05:07.38 | sm00th | if my iot is part of the bot net, oh well... |
| 05:08.04 | missmbob | most likely some spammer in africa is a real prince, too. |
| 05:08.05 | cra1g321 | sm00th your coffee might not be ready in the morning ;) |
| 05:08.05 | RoyK | HEAD tells me Server: wg_httpd/1.0(based Boa/0.92q) |
| 05:08.12 | sm00th | lol |
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| 05:08.56 | RoyK | doesn't like the smell of that server |
| 05:09.01 | missmbob | anyway can this be moved to #debian-offtopic if someone feels the need to keep talking? let's keep this channel for real support proplems |
| 05:09.34 | pingfloyd | what? You don't like being a ghost beater? |
| 05:09.40 | TG_ | sure |
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| 05:11.29 | RoyK | asterismo: #debian-offtopic ? |
| 05:11.38 | asterismo | yeah sorry |
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| 05:14.25 | TG_ | it still sounds like a support question. I don't understand |
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| 05:22.11 | jmcnaught | asterismo: what user was that python script running as? |
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| 06:14.37 | random_numbers | Debian dropped i686-specific support, right? |
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| 06:19.36 | jmcnaught | random_numbers: no where did you hear that? |
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| 06:20.05 | _1048576 | Hi |
| 06:20.10 | random_numbers | I can't find an i686-centric installer, so I presumed as much. |
| 06:20.16 | _1048576 | Do you support Raspberry Pis? |
| 06:20.51 | jmcnaught | _1048576: if it is running Debian then yes, but we do not support Raspbian here (it is supported in #raspbian) |
| 06:20.57 | random_numbers | There's raspbian, and there's arm64, isn't there? |
| 06:20.58 | _1048576 | ok thanks |
| 06:20.59 | jelly | random_numbers: it's called "i386" |
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| 06:21.10 | random_numbers | I think the Raspberry 3 had an arm64... |
| 06:21.21 | SwedeMike | random_numbers: it's either i386 or amd64, there are no more specific ones than that. 32bit or 64bit. |
| 06:21.38 | SwedeMike | or I guess i386 is "x86" |
| 06:21.40 | random_numbers | jelly: SwedeMike: I see. |
| 06:22.09 | random_numbers | Are there in-repo kernels I can get for them or would I have to compile myself? |
| 06:22.31 | jelly | them? |
| 06:23.12 | random_numbers | Ah, I came into possession of some older hardware. That's why I was asking, because it's apparently not x86_64. |
| 06:23.12 | jelly | ,v linux-image-686-pae |
| 06:23.13 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-686-pae' was found in amd64. |
| 06:23.21 | jelly | ,v linux-image-686-pae --arch i386 |
| 06:23.22 | judd | Package: linux-image-686-pae on i386 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.7+75~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7+75; stretch: 4.7+75 |
| 06:23.37 | random_numbers | Huh. So if I don't mind bleeding edge there is. Not bad. |
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| 06:23.45 | jelly | random_numbers: the installer will pick the right kernel for you |
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| 06:24.01 | SwedeMike | random_numbers: if your hardware doesn't support 64bit, get the 32bit one. It'll work. |
| 06:24.20 | random_numbers | jelly: So basically I could have been using the i386 installer all the time even for installs on my amd64 hardware? |
| 06:24.26 | jelly | yes |
| 06:24.38 | SwedeMike | random_numbers: amd64 hardware supports both 32bit and 64bit. |
| 06:24.40 | jelly | you would have installed 32bit userspace, tho |
| 06:24.47 | morf | but it's limiting you to 4gb ram (32bit) |
| 06:24.58 | SwedeMike | morf: no it doesn't, everything is PAE nowadays. |
| 06:25.00 | jelly | morf: per process, yes |
| 06:25.10 | jmcnaught | there is also a multi-arch installer that has both i386 and amd64 on it, this is the one that the debian homepage links to |
| 06:25.17 | random_numbers | Oh, okay, I'd misunderstood what you said. I was under the impression I'd have been able to install a 64bit kernel even with the i386 installer. |
| 06:25.22 | jelly | nope |
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| 06:26.27 | jelly | (actually you _can_ do that later, but even with a 64bit kernel your userspace, that is, everything else but the kernel, would still be 32bit) |
| 06:27.37 | random_numbers | So I'd have to re-upgrade everything after changing apt arch to 64. |
| 06:28.17 | SwedeMike | random_numbers: basically, if your hardware supports 64bit, install 64bit. If it doesn't, install 32bit. |
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| 06:29.34 | jelly | random_numbers: there is no _supported_ path to switch userspace architectures in place, you'd have to reinstall |
| 06:30.30 | SwedeMike | jelly: yeah, I tried that one 5-6 years back (with a guide I found). Didn't work. |
| 06:31.19 | jelly | it's tricky |
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| 06:32.28 | random_numbers | Good thing I asked before trying. |
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| 06:36.29 | random_numbers | Is there a way to run a debian live image fetched over pxe? |
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| 06:49.58 | random_numbers | live-build? |
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| 06:53.08 | hussein | looking for :working grub2 menuentry to boot and install debian 8.3 from hdd.i am not about to a question and answer approch.i am about a real ,working and experienced example.please |
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| 06:54.36 | random_numbers | I managed to find it. Here's the resources if anyone else needs them: https://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/live-manual/stable/manual/html/live-manual.en.html and https://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive |
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| 07:04.05 | mrtrump | debian working nicely here |
| 07:04.07 | mrtrump | :) |
| 07:04.13 | mrtrump | godo work gentlemen n women |
| 07:05.30 | mrtrump | brilliant! |
| 07:05.46 | mrtrump | woa just ate a huge helping of mac n cheese |
| 07:05.53 | mrtrump | might have overdone it |
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| 07:06.09 | spygrid | will you make Debian great again? |
| 07:06.16 | spygrid | will you make Linux great again? |
| 07:06.49 | mrtrump | I might |
| 07:07.02 | babilen | Play elsewhere please |
| 07:07.15 | mrtrump | bab what do you want to discuss? |
| 07:07.45 | babilen | mrtrump: You are well aware of what is on-topic and what is off-topic. |
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| 07:22.42 | OtakuSenpai | does this laptop support debian Asus EeeBook X205TA Notebook |
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| 07:24.18 | OtakuSenpai | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA |
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| 07:24.32 | OtakuSenpai | this page says audio may not be supported :( |
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| 07:29.04 | OtakuSenpai | if i install debian stretch on tht laptop will it work flawlessly without any hardware problems? |
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| 07:33.37 | OtakuSenpai | guys? |
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| 07:34.48 | spygrid | i haven't stretched yet |
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| 07:38.43 | somiaj | OtakuSenpai: stretch is almost the transition freeze, so it is starting to become more and more stable. As for no problems, I would still use jessie unless you have hardware that isn't supported by jessie |
| 07:38.58 | OtakuSenpai | Asus EeeBook X205TA-FD0061TS |
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| 07:39.22 | somiaj | gpu/wifi (network drivers) are usually the most problematic things to get working. |
| 07:39.28 | OtakuSenpai | can jessie/stretch support this laptop?? i will install debian on it if it does |
| 07:39.53 | somiaj | OtakuSenpai: you can try a live image to see if it works, Though give us a bit more infoa bout the gpu and wifi card and I'll let you know if those are at least supported |
| 07:40.19 | OtakuSenpai | ok...so ill buy it and report it to you? |
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| 07:43.17 | somiaj | OtakuSenpai: if you are wanting to know before you buy you should check some of the hardware like gpu, maybe cpu (very new skylake cpu's can be probelmatic I think) and the wifi drivers |
| 07:43.48 | OtakuSenpai | i checked somiaj https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA |
| 07:44.46 | somiaj | looks like it will work though you may have some issues. On jessie you'll most likely want a kernel form jessie-backports |
| 07:45.21 | OtakuSenpai | i dont want to install jessie on it |
| 07:45.29 | OtakuSenpai | i will install stretch but |
| 07:45.46 | OtakuSenpai | was tht page referring to a jessie or stretch install? |
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| 07:46.21 | somiaj | the prefered way to install stretch is install jessie minimial system, then dist-upgrade to stretch, then install the rest of your software |
| 07:46.39 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
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| 07:47.00 | somiaj | just realize there won't be any seucrity support for stretch until the release. But since the freeze is starting to take hold it will start to become a frozen/stable system |
| 07:47.50 | OtakuSenpai | so stretch will be frozen...since when? |
| 07:48.40 | somiaj | The transition frezze starts nov 5th, and it will slowly start to freeze all package migrations with the full freeze around Feburary, and the target kernel is 4.10 |
| 07:48.52 | mrtrump | why no kernel 4.7? |
| 07:48.59 | mrtrump | i have 3.16 |
| 07:49.03 | mrtrump | :( |
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| 07:49.19 | somiaj | you can get 4.7 from jessie-backports |
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| 08:14.21 | MaBunny | somiaj you there? |
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| 08:15.09 | MaBunny | dad said not to buy tht laptop due to driver problems |
| 08:15.28 | MaBunny | can you tell if this laptop is supported?? |
| 08:15.38 | MaBunny | HP 245 G4,P1b38PA |
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| 08:16.01 | MaBunny | i found the hardware info here : https://certification.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201505-18322/ |
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| 08:17.50 | somiaj | I don't like reltek myself, but if it is certified to run on ubuntu you can get it to work on debian in most cases. |
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| 08:18.53 | MaBunny | ok |
| 08:19.10 | MaBunny | so will i buy tht laptop?? im depending on you guys |
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| 08:19.44 | bazhang | try ##hardware MaBunny |
| 08:19.44 | somiaj | This doesn't mean you won't have issues, need to deal with getting a backported kernel, non-free firmware and the likes. |
| 08:20.14 | bazhang | alternately search term that laptop linux |
| 08:21.37 | MaBunny | bazhang i get a ton of ubuntu and mint links |
| 08:21.41 | MaBunny | but none debian :( |
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| 08:22.27 | bazhang | MaBunny, are the links problem or success links |
| 08:22.32 | somiaj | MaBunny: hardware support is most related to the linux kernel. But newer hardware that would work out of the box with ubuntu or mint may require some extra fiddling to get it to work in debian. |
| 08:22.54 | MaBunny | ok,so non-free firmwares? |
| 08:23.02 | somiaj | sometimes that is all that is needed |
| 08:23.06 | somiaj | other times backported kernels |
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| 08:23.39 | somiaj | sometimes, such as with optimius hardware, they have additional packages/software not in debian that makes it work with out lots of hassel |
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| 08:24.41 | somiaj | MaBunny: the last dell I got, I found a ubuntu hardware page and looked it over and saw that the linux kernel supported all I needed. Though I needed backported intel drivers for the cpu |
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| 08:25.33 | somiaj | s/cpu/gpu/ |
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| 08:30.09 | somiaj | one note is someone recentally got a preinstalled ubuntu machine and it took quite a bit to get the efi firmware to make debian bootable. So unfornutally it isn't a gurantee. If you want mroe info look at the actual hardware (gpu/wifi, etc) |
| 08:32.47 | mrrhq | somiaj: I think firmware-intel is firmware microcode (ucode) for the Intel CPU to boost performance/effeciency and cooling, but it's not required firmware. I plan to get a GPU, and I hope that I won't have to use the firmware blobs. Maybe I can get away using just the open source drivers. |
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| 08:33.59 | somiaj | mrrhq: a lot for the gpu depends on what sort of preformance you want. |
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| 08:35.05 | somiaj | many intel gpus are just fine and don't require firmware. Radeon open source driver is quite good, but does require additinoal non-free firmware from debian non-free for 3d support or hardware acceleration |
| 08:35.46 | mrrhq | To be honest, I plan to get an RX 480, but it sounds like it will be severly bottlenecked due to my CPU setup. No big deal, that GPU wasn't even made to be even overclocked in the first place. It only has one small fan. |
| 08:35.56 | mrrhq | It's probably the best and most cost effective that I know of. |
| 08:36.58 | somiaj | I don't know gpus that well. I use nvidia on my desktop and try to get intel on my laptops |
| 08:39.27 | mrrhq | Yeah, I'm glad that there's at least free drivers for both. Firmware support for GPUs.... yeah. |
| 08:39.45 | mrrhq | What's your glxinfo like for your NVidia? |
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| 08:39.57 | mrrhq | Been in the market to make my own Debian PC rig recently. |
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| 08:43.39 | somiaj | mrrhq: in what sense? it is fine, I use the non-free drivers and haven't had much issue with them |
| 08:45.05 | mrrhq | My junk Ironlake Intel integrated graphics laptop now can't even run most 3D games or MAME anymore on linux. It only supports up to OpenGL 2.1. What a shame... |
| 08:46.37 | mrtrump | http://www.portatech.com |
| 08:47.06 | mrtrump | is wine working well lately? |
| 08:47.14 | mrtrump | been a coons age since I tried wine |
| 08:47.20 | mrtrump | anyone got skype going? |
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| 08:47.43 | smoke- | hi guys |
| 08:47.59 | mrrhq | mrtrump: Skype can work natively on Linux. |
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| 08:48.05 | mrrhq | Nowadays. :) |
| 08:48.37 | smoke- | if I have just installed debina-mate and there was no option to install luks w/ it can I still install luks along the hdd I am running? |
| 08:48.44 | somiaj | its an outdated client, seems they are pushign users to thier web platform and I don't expect it to get much more support. |
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| 08:49.28 | klys | mrtrump, https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=31461 |
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| 08:49.40 | somiaj | smoke-: you can still isntall luks and create encrypted filesystems. But you will also have to do some extra work with getting this encrypted filesystems to replace your current ones. |
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| 08:53.19 | smoke- | so I can rewrite the whole drive or partition over with luks w/ risking losing all of my data on my root drive? |
| 08:54.36 | jmcnaught | smoke-: if you just installed, you will have a much easier time if you reinstall and use encryption. otherwise you will need to move stuff around |
| 08:55.11 | jmcnaught | smoke-: when the installer asks you about partitioning, choose "guided - encrypted with lvm" |
| 08:57.02 | smoke- | it does not have a feature on install .iso to encrypt w/ luks |
| 08:57.03 | smoke- | debian-mate mind you |
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| 08:57.52 | jmcnaught | smoke-: which installer image did you use? |
| 08:58.26 | smoke- | debian-mate.iso |
| 08:58.45 | jmcnaught | smoke-: the full file name please |
| 08:59.38 | smoke- | nm i'm ok |
| 08:59.49 | smoke- | thanks |
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| 09:06.37 | Xin_ | hola |
| 09:06.49 | Xin_ | im having some trouble finding all the alsa packages? |
| 09:06.54 | Xin_ | I cant run alsaconf |
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| 09:08.25 | mrrhq | apt-cache search alsa | grep -E "^alsa" |
| 09:08.34 | mrrhq | I think you want alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 09:08.38 | somiaj | Xin_: that isn't a binary I have installed either. What you looking for? |
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| 09:08.59 | somiaj | Xin_: there ia alsactl, aplay, and other stuff in the packages mrrhq mentioned |
| 09:09.15 | mrrhq | I think some of those are included with alsa-tools |
| 09:09.22 | Xin_ | I have alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 09:09.26 | mrrhq | and alsa-utils, like alsamixer. |
| 09:09.30 | Xin_ | I just cant get my sound working haha |
| 09:09.37 | mrrhq | amixer is seperate, that I know. |
| 09:09.38 | Xin_ | yeah ive got alsaguimixer too |
| 09:09.47 | unborn | guys Im writing simple script to record my desktop which works with best results for me however I would like to start script aka ./script.sh but would like to delay screen recording for about 3 or 5 seconds.. what is the correct way? sleep 5 ./ script or? |
| 09:09.55 | somiaj | Xin_: you may be running pulse too. What desktop did you install? 'ps fax | grep pulse' do you see pulseaudio running? |
| 09:09.55 | mrrhq | No wait, nvm. |
| 09:10.16 | somiaj | unborn: you could put the sleep in the script if you wanted as well |
| 09:10.33 | Xin_ | oh amixer shows me some stuff |
| 09:10.41 | unborn | somiaj: that would be awesome.. perhaps you right |
| 09:10.43 | Xin_ | nah I am doing it from the ground up |
| 09:10.47 | Xin_ | in debian 8 |
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| 09:11.13 | Xin_ | so amixer shows me some mixer thingiesss |
| 09:11.16 | Xin_ | hmm |
| 09:11.31 | Xin_ | playback on |
| 09:11.33 | Xin_ | apparently |
| 09:11.51 | unborn | okay its sleep 10 && command :) |
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| 09:12.24 | somiaj | unborn: sleep 10; would have worked too, or put it inside the script. Various ways |
| 09:12.30 | Xin_ | rahh no sound still |
| 09:12.45 | mrrhq | amixer is a more CLI version of alsamixer (TUI) |
| 09:12.49 | somiaj | Xin_: cat /proc/asound/cards (do you have multiple cards) |
| 09:12.51 | mrrhq | Basically the same thing. |
| 09:12.55 | somiaj | mrrhq: no |
| 09:13.00 | Xin_ | meh well according to amixer everythings hunky dory |
| 09:13.04 | Xin_ | as far as I can tell |
| 09:13.12 | unborn | yeah.. by this way I can finally produce some videos.. cool somiaj, thank you :) |
| 09:13.16 | somiaj | mrrhq: alsamixer is a console/ncurses mixer. amixer is for the old oss controler. |
| 09:13.22 | Xin_ | though it does only have some mono playback devices |
| 09:13.40 | Xin_ | like should be a stereo device |
| 09:13.43 | mrrhq | somiaj: What are you talking about? I can use amixer for ALSA just fine. |
| 09:13.49 | Xin_ | and still have no sound from chromium haha |
| 09:13.56 | somiaj | mrrhq: sorry nevermind, I was thinking aumixer...to many differnt ones out ther. |
| 09:14.39 | somiaj | !alsa checklist |
| 09:14.40 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 09:14.42 | somiaj | that might help |
| 09:14.59 | mrrhq | Man, I think BSD is even switched to ALSA now. RIP OSS. |
| 09:15.06 | somiaj | there is oss4 |
| 09:15.15 | somiaj | but not many use it |
| 09:15.23 | mrrhq | Isn't newer ones like proprietary> |
| 09:15.25 | mrrhq | ? |
| 09:15.54 | mrrhq | Well okay, 4Front basically owns it. |
| 09:17.25 | mrrhq | ALSA is at least standardized for Linux. |
| 09:17.44 | Xin_ | jesus |
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| 09:17.48 | Xin_ | thats some checklist |
| 09:17.48 | Xin_ | rofl |
| 09:17.57 | Xin_ | ty |
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| 09:18.19 | mrrhq | It's 2 steps unless you use Pulseaudio, which.... eh.... |
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| 09:19.20 | mrrhq | Pulseaudio is really only good if you want to share audio over a network, or are forced to use a desktop that requires it like Gnome. |
| 09:19.27 | monoxane | ^ |
| 09:19.32 | monoxane | gnome is an ass in that matter |
| 09:19.33 | mrrhq | In that case, you'd think your audio would just work, but oh well. |
| 09:19.50 | monoxane | i actually really like pulseaudio control panel though |
| 09:20.42 | mrrhq | So does Pulseaudio support per-application settings? |
| 09:20.50 | aZz7eCh | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=126995 |
| 09:21.10 | monoxane | yup |
| 09:21.22 | mrrhq | Oh okay, I guess that's another plus. |
| 09:21.26 | Xin_ | lol I dont really care what I use |
| 09:21.30 | Xin_ | alsa is just the lightest |
| 09:21.38 | Xin_ | I literally use the sound maybe once a month xD |
| 09:21.49 | monoxane | i use it all the time |
| 09:21.52 | monoxane | need dat music |
| 09:21.54 | monoxane | :P |
| 09:21.56 | aZz7eCh | ^ |
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| 09:22.10 | Xin_ | I have like 6 other devices for that haha |
| 09:22.11 | mrrhq | triggerhappy + amixer = love |
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| 09:24.32 | mrrhq | Srsly, if you guys use xbindkeys or xmodmap, switch over to triggerhappy, because it's so much better. |
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| 09:27.25 | Xin_ | I use.. spotify |
| 09:27.26 | Xin_ | lol |
| 09:27.27 | Xin_ | ^_^ |
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| 09:37.30 | mrrhq | Spotify remote? |
| 09:37.38 | mrrhq | I'm guessing. |
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| 09:48.05 | Renari | Setting up a server on my home network very quickly became a nightmare. |
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| 09:52.49 | [exa] | Renari: did the server become rabid or something worse? |
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| 09:53.33 | tx | it installed windows server on itsefl |
| 09:53.35 | tx | the monster |
| 09:53.44 | aZz7eCh | o0 |
| 09:53.49 | aZz7eCh | how did it access MS material in your home |
| 09:54.16 | tx | It downloaded it from the on-board AMT chip. |
| 09:54.19 | Renari | It started with my router not supporting ddns (I wanted to be able to access the server easily via my domain). A new router and some open source firmware later I got ddns setup. |
| 09:54.27 | spygrid | What is this /etc/alternatives/* non sense? |
| 09:55.05 | Renari | However turns out my isp blocks port 80, so now I need to undo all of the ddns stuff I did and setup my own external ddns server that also forwards port 80 to a different port. |
| 09:55.14 | Renari | Else I have to remember port numbers that I don't want to. |
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| 10:01.36 | Renari | Actually I can avoid setting up my own ddns by simply making an unrelated entry and using it on the server. |
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| 10:04.53 | mrrhq | Renari: You could likely set up one yourself with Digital Ocean cheaper than most DDNS providers, or just use no-ip. |
| 10:05.17 | Renari | My domain registrar offers ddns for free. |
| 10:06.04 | mrrhq | Also, why would your ISP block port 80 (HTTP)? |
| 10:06.15 | mrrhq | That's very strange. Is that for incoming only? |
| 10:06.36 | Renari | IP traffic sent to customers on ports TCP 25, TCP 80, TCP 443, TCP 445, TCP 1080, TCP 6667-6669, TCP 1433-1434, TCP & UDP 135-139, TCP & UDP 67 are blocked for security and network management reasons to minimize customer's computers from being virus infected through well known vulnerabilities and/or to avoid infected or hostile computers from affecting other users computers. |
| 10:07.05 | mrrhq | I guess you could use a VPN for that. |
| 10:07.14 | mrrhq | I'm not sure. |
| 10:07.21 | Renari | It's incoming only, yes. |
| 10:07.33 | Renari | Basically they don't want people running servers. |
| 10:08.13 | mrrhq | Oh wow, they actually blocked the ports for typical BitTorrent. That's dirty. |
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| 10:08.39 | humbot | isn't it port 6667 here ? |
| 10:08.45 | mrrhq | Yeah. |
| 10:08.52 | mrrhq | Around there. |
| 10:08.54 | humbot | who are these people ? |
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| 10:09.44 | Renari | Service Electric. |
| 10:09.58 | Renari | http://www.sectv.com/Web/aspHome.aspx?strSystem=LV |
| 10:10.35 | mrrhq | Looks like my ISP is only blocking port 25. How would I check though? Netalyzer? |
| 10:10.54 | mrrhq | *filtering |
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| 10:11.42 | labelcd6 | Can someone give me some tips on which type of Debian install cd to purchase? |
| 10:12.46 | mrrhq | I mean, you can download the hybrid CD with BitTorrent or FTP/HTTPS and put it either on a CD or flash drive. |
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| 10:13.19 | labelcd6 | I want/need to purchase an install CD due to internet connection. |
| 10:13.53 | at0m | labelcd6: https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
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| 10:14.23 | mrrhq | How are you connecting to IRC then? |
| 10:14.31 | mrrhq | Ahaha. Sorry, I understand though. |
| 10:14.37 | at0m | low bandwidth probably |
| 10:15.19 | labelcd6 | Here's where I am: https://www.osdisc.com/products/linux/debian?affiliate=aboutdebian |
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| 10:16.14 | labelcd6 | I just want to install on this machine machine with an AMD dual-core C-50 processor |
| 10:16.30 | labelcd6 | So I think I'm in the right place, but what does "live" mean? |
| 10:17.43 | humbot | that means you can boot the system from the cd and try it out without installing it |
| 10:18.11 | labelcd6 | So an install/live can do that OR it can be installed normally? |
| 10:18.17 | at0m | both |
| 10:18.19 | at0m | labelcd6: for installation, better get the installer CD/DVD's. |
| 10:18.20 | mrrhq | I would personally go with the DVD, make sure you can read DVDs and not just CDs (should say DVD on the disc drive). |
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| 10:18.46 | labelcd6 | Thanks. |
| 10:18.47 | mrrhq | Unless you need to specifically install 32-bit software, I'd go with 64-bit. |
| 10:18.57 | labelcd6 | What do things like GNOME and KDE and Cinammon mean? |
| 10:19.34 | mrrhq | Those are Linux desktops environments. |
| 10:20.41 | labelcd6 | Anything in particular I should know, or is it a preference thing? |
| 10:21.24 | TG_ | preference mostly |
| 10:21.47 | TG_ | but your DVD will come with all desktops |
| 10:22.18 | labelcd6 | Here's what I'm thinking: https://www.osdisc.com/products/linux/debian/debian-live-86-gnome-install-live-dvd-64bit.html |
| 10:22.24 | labelcd6 | Am I headed in the right direction? |
| 10:22.30 | mrrhq | LXDE, Xfce and MATE are considered light desktops, KDE and GNOME is more heavy, but not only that, they perfer you also use their set of applications mostly. (Qt apps for KDE, GTK+ apps for GNOME) |
| 10:23.25 | mrrhq | MATE is like GNOME 2, LXDE is light and Windows XP-like, Xfce is really good for a lot of use cases. You'd have to look at some screenshots of them. |
| 10:25.46 | TG_ | labelcd6, all Debian DVDs should have all desktop environments |
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| 10:25.51 | TG_ | so you don't have to choose |
| 10:26.08 | labelcd6 | Ok, thanks. |
| 10:26.55 | TG_ | you can also install from a netinst CD, and then only download what you need. maybe you can do that on your Internet link |
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| 10:28.17 | sgflt | am i correct in thinking that CVE-2016-5195 is not fixed on jessie-backports? the latest changelog entry seems a bit old |
| 10:28.24 | TG_ | or buy. you can buy if you want to. maybe you can buy the whole thing here: https://www.osdisc.com/products/linux/debian/debian-86-13-dvd-set-64bit.html |
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| 10:44.01 | mrrhq | sgflt: Also check security.debian.org, there's resources on securing Debian. Since jessie-backports != jessie, security updates on there are applied by updating the software used from backports, not from the Debian Security team on vanilla stable. |
| 10:44.09 | mrrhq | As far as I understand at least. |
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| 10:46.25 | sgflt | mrrhq: thanks. i think i'll put more effort in downgrading though, seems less of a hassle in the long run |
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| 10:50.01 | mrrhq | sgflt: You don't have to downgrade. In order to install from backports you had to use apt-get install -t jessie-backports <package>, right? |
| 10:50.14 | sgflt | mrrhq: i mean downgrade the kernel packages |
| 10:50.36 | sgflt | mrrhq: i'm on jessie , i just installed a newer kernel because the jessie one does not have the nft features i wanted |
| 10:51.17 | mrrhq | Oh okay, I was gonna say, when you upgrade a backports package from stable, which is newer than your backport, I think your package becomes stable again if that makes sense. |
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| 10:52.07 | mrrhq | Shouldn't have to worry as long as they're taking care of the CVE vulnarability. |
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| 10:53.16 | mrrhq | But yeah, the debian security team mailing list is great if you really care about that stuff. |
| 10:53.19 | sgflt | mrrhq: well, it was fixed in jessie within hours that i found out about it, but i haven't seen any indication that it's going to make it into backports yet. so in the tradeoff of an nft feature that i can hopefully work around and getting slower security updates, i'll err on the side of getting upgrades |
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| 10:54.01 | sgflt | mrrhq: i don't want to care about it -- i want to set systems on a daily update && upgrade job and forget about security issues altogether =) |
| 10:55.02 | mrrhq | sgflt: Yep. I get it. |
| 10:55.21 | sgflt | mrrhq: =) thanks for the heads up. i'll be looking in that now |
| 10:55.50 | sgflt | until then =) |
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| 10:57.59 | mrrhq | I really should use stable+backports again. Sid is getting to be finicky at times in terms of getting it to work all the time. |
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| 11:11.54 | eoli3n | hi, dirty cow isnt fix yet in debian 7.9 and debian 8 ? |
| 11:12.02 | eoli3n | and unstable |
| 11:12.08 | eoli3n | i found that : https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-protect-your-server-against-the-dirty-cow-linux-vulnerability |
| 11:12.25 | eoli3n | if i apt-get upgrade on all debian i have, it doest find these upgrade |
| 11:12.40 | eoli3n | for debian 7.9 : linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 11:13.02 | eoli3n | for debian unstable : linux-image-4.7.0-1-amd64 |
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| 11:13.46 | TomTomTo1 | it's fixed. https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-5195 |
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| 11:15.18 | TomTomTo1 | if you run uname -a, the package version is what comes after "SMP Debian" |
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| 11:16.15 | TomTomTo1 | you can also run dpkg -l linux-image* and see what versions you have installed. |
| 11:17.47 | mrrhq | I think Linux 4.8 is supposed to come out with more GPU drivers/firmware. |
| 11:17.56 | mrrhq | That ought to be interesting. |
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| 11:18.31 | eoli3n | TomTomTo1: that's what i did |
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| 11:18.52 | eoli3n | TomTomTo1: and it gives me for debian 7.9 : linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 11:18.54 | eoli3n | for debian unstable : linux-image-4.7.0-1-amd64 |
| 11:18.56 | TomTomTo1 | eoli3n: what you listed here are the package names, not the versions. |
| 11:19.03 | eoli3n | ah |
| 11:19.05 | eoli3n | ok |
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| 11:19.27 | eoli3n | TomTomTo1: oh ok, i see now |
| 11:19.51 | eoli3n | so on debian unstable, still vulnerable : Debian 4.7.5-1 (2016-09-26) |
| 11:20.01 | eoli3n | after upgrade AND dist-upgrade |
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| 11:20.39 | eoli3n | oh, i'm stupid, forget to reboot on that one |
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| 11:22.24 | multi_io | I'm getting 503s at snapshot.debian.org |
| 11:22.27 | multi_io | e.g. E: Failed to fetch http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20161022T104905Z/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.24-5_amd64.deb 503 Service Unavailable [IP: 185.17.185.185 80] |
| 11:22.51 | multi_io | if I wget it, it's there |
| 11:22.53 | cruncher | multi_io, try again, it works here |
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| 11:23.15 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to re-generate a deleted /boot partition for a debian machine? |
| 11:24.00 | cruncher | JyZyXEL, try testdisk |
| 11:24.36 | JyZyXEL | its also corrupted with I/O errors |
| 11:24.55 | JyZyXEL | im thinking chrooting inside and reinstalling the kernel package might do the trick? |
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| 11:26.28 | hexnewbie | Don't know about sid, but for jessie-backports I had to install the -unsigned variant of the kernel, because the signed one still doesn't have the patch |
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| 11:27.43 | spygrid | whats the rush? the nsa hole has been there for *9* years |
| 11:28.06 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: You can run âdpkg -S /bootâ and see which packages you need to reinstall |
| 11:28.43 | JyZyXEL | hexnewbie: ok so base-files and the kernel image |
| 11:29.00 | JyZyXEL | what command can i use to reinstall those from the archive? |
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| 11:29.11 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: base-files may be unnecessary, as it only contains the directory itself |
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| 11:29.31 | hexnewbie | dpkg -S /boot/\* |
| 11:29.32 | dpkg | You Fool! /boot/\* is installed! |
| 11:30.13 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: âdpkg -i filename.debâ or apt-get install --reinstall packagename |
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| 11:32.11 | JyZyXEL | *shrug* looks like the kernel package is not in the archive anymore |
| 11:32.14 | JyZyXEL | gotta download it |
| 11:32.23 | spygrid | what is /etc/alternatives/* ? |
| 11:32.30 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: It should still be in /var/cache/apt/archives unless you deleted it |
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| 11:32.50 | JyZyXEL | hexnewbie: something seems to have wiped it clear |
| 11:32.55 | spygrid | why deleting /etc/alternatives/* breaks a valid linux system? |
| 11:33.12 | JyZyXEL | maybe aptitude did it |
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| 11:35.32 | JyZyXEL | man, next time i set up backups, i gotta make sure to also backup /boot... :P |
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| 11:36.02 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: /boot is the one directory I also don't backup often enough... |
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| 11:47.14 | hammo | hello all, I have -A INPUT -i ppp0 -p gre -j ACCEPT in my iptables but keep getting "iptables denied: IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=###.###.###.### DST=###.###.###.### LEN=431 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=119 ID=17070 PROTO=47" shouldnt protocol gre be using port 47? |
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| 11:56.50 | mik | hammo: -p only takes tcp, udp, udplite, icmp, esp, ah, sctp or all AND a protocoll name from /etc/protocols |
| 11:58.18 | mik | so you should have gre in your /etc/protocols to get this working |
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| 12:09.24 | crazythings | hey. on debian.org i see as descritpion of download "32-bit pc netinst installer" isn't that just wrong? |
| 12:09.29 | crazythings | default download is multiarch... |
| 12:09.32 | crazythings | 32+64 |
| 12:09.54 | themill | depends what you mean by default |
| 12:10.00 | crazythings | when i click on it |
| 12:10.04 | crazythings | i get multiarch iso |
| 12:10.08 | crazythings | the description say 32-bit |
| 12:10.36 | themill | If you want to talk about this sort of thing you need to be specific. Which link on which page. |
| 12:11.02 | crazythings | first page.. the download button |
| 12:11.37 | themill | Which is labelled "32/64-bit PC Network installer" |
| 12:11.41 | crazythings | not here |
| 12:11.44 | spygrid | why 32bit ? 64 bit is not liberation? |
| 12:11.47 | crazythings | maybe a translation error? |
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| 12:12.15 | crazythings | yes it is |
| 12:12.17 | crazythings | i switched to english |
| 12:12.20 | crazythings | and is 32/64 |
| 12:12.33 | crazythings | where i need to report that _bug_? |
| 12:12.48 | themill | that's on the footer of every page |
| 12:13.25 | crazythings | thanks |
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| 12:14.32 | themill | Do be specific. Which URL. which language, precisely what is currently there. Include a screenshot if possible |
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| 12:15.39 | antosamalona | Have you done upgrade kernel? |
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| 12:19.54 | urbancohort | Hello all. I had used Ubuntu for some time and then decided to switch to Debian, just to try it. |
| 12:19.55 | urbancohort | I have RX 480 and realized that neither open-source drivers (https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo) nor the proprietary driver (https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary) supports the graphics card I have. Anyone knows any workaround for this issue? |
| 12:21.56 | antosamalona | urbancohort: try to upgrade to new kernel. |
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| 12:22.59 | urbancohort | Thanks antosamalona, will do now. |
| 12:23.58 | Envil | There also is a new proprietary driver for those cards (amdgpu-pro instead of catalyst). But no idea if it is in the repos. |
| 12:24.12 | Envil | But even that one probably will need an up to date kernel. |
| 12:24.26 | themill | ,v xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu |
| 12:24.27 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.1.2-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.1.2-1; stretch: 1.1.2-1 |
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| 12:27.40 | urbancohort | Thanks all, for the answers |
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| 12:43.11 | Guest33426 | hi guys, can someone tell me if the netinstall and the cd install will have the same size (same packages). I thought when using netinstall I woul only get bare minimum debian installation |
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| 12:44.05 | petn-randall | Guest33426: Netinstall only has the bare minimum on the image. Pretty much everything else you pull from the internet. |
| 12:44.37 | Guest33426 | yeah, but the resulting system (amount of packages) will be the same after installation? |
| 12:45.06 | petn-randall | Guest33426: If you're installing on a machine that doesn't have a working internet connection, you can download the CD/DVD/Bluray images and install the complete system with any set of packages offline. |
| 12:45.27 | petn-randall | Guest33426: If you pick the same options during installation, the result will be exactly the same, yes. |
| 12:45.45 | Guest33426 | thx that's what I needed to know |
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| 12:48.05 | petn-randall | Guest33426: you're welcome, feel free to ask if you have any other questions. |
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| 13:01.20 | g105b | Hi all. Once I have a package on launchpad, what's the process for getting the software into the official sources? |
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| 13:02.31 | themill | launchpad has nothing to do with debian |
| 13:02.34 | themill | !mentors |
| 13:02.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 13:02.43 | g00se | Had the bright idea of copying my wheezy to another disk to update to jessie as a trial run. Didn't think about the issue of fstab being wrong. Is there any way out of this or am i asking for trouble? |
| 13:03.15 | phogg | g00se: boot from external media, fix fstab by hand. Might be as simple as that. |
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| 13:03.47 | g00se | Am actually booted into the cloned wheezy now |
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| 13:05.09 | g00se | Any kind of automation possible (worried about errors)? |
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| 13:08.04 | g105b | Thanks for the advice themill |
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| 13:29.09 | Guest33426 | ok building from source on jessie seems to work. Problem is when I start the game, duke is always looking up and I can't look down/straight using the mouse. |
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| 13:29.28 | Guest33426 | is this a know bug? |
| 13:29.45 | Guest33426 | run duke in vbox |
| 13:30.04 | Guest33426 | *known |
| 13:30.30 | Guest33426 | using files from shareware version |
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| 13:31.21 | Guest33426 | sorry guys, wrong channel :) |
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| 13:33.06 | Voldenet | I have a tiny problem with iptables not loading during boot with netfilter-persistent. |
| 13:33.25 | Voldenet | I get this: run-parts: /usr/share/netfilter-persistent/plugins.d/15-ip4tables exited with return code 1 |
| 13:34.05 | Voldenet | but I'm expecting this: systemd[1]: Started netfilter persistent configuration. |
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| 13:36.58 | AN_F | good |
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| 13:39.32 | Voldenet | Relevant log parts from my journal: http://ix.io/1yMR |
| 13:39.54 | BinBasher | does anyone else's firefox crash when opening this link? Why is this happening? https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwidy-aKhvHPAhVJWhoKHZOVBMMQFggbMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.healthline.com%2Fhealth%2F5-fast-facts-english-ivy&usg=AFQjCNESwGpgR6cFf9qpxMouGaQW69lz6g |
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| 13:41.23 | Voldenet | BinBasher: mine doesn't |
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| 13:45.51 | BinBasher | strange |
| 13:46.13 | BinBasher | oh I mean after you scroll down in the page |
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| 13:46.57 | BinBasher | I actually have to xkill firefox |
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| 13:58.48 | boodie | Hi: I am planning to put together a desktop, because this one is on its last legs ... Do you have any advice regarding compatibility of the CPU / Motherboard / Graphic Card (I assume, maybe wrongly, that the Power supply / Heatsink-fan / Harddisks-SSD / RAM banks / Cases are not S.O. dependant)? Many Thanks |
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| 14:04.16 | boodie | I have found in a magazine (LinuxUser n. 161) that Intel "I5 Skylake 6600" and the board Gigabyte GA-Z170M-D3H with onboard graphic capability are fully Linux compatible, but I found online comments contradicting this, claiming that Intel, Gigabyte etc. give problems ... |
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| 14:06.10 | dvs | boodie, I recently got an i5-6500 and a Radeon R380 and they work fine with Debian |
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| 14:08.05 | boodie | dvs: what motherboard do you have? |
| 14:08.21 | dvs | boodie, Asus Z170-A |
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| 14:10.10 | boodie | Does everything work? e.g. ethernet ports, wifi, bluetooth ... ? |
| 14:10.45 | dvs | boodie, I don't use bluetooth or wifi on it but the ethernet port works fine. |
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| 14:17.21 | boodie | dvs: does the audio work fine? |
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| 14:27.25 | dvs | boodie, I've had no problem with audio |
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| 14:37.33 | sean__ | I'm trying to update my kernel to protect against "Dirty COW" (CVE-2016-5195). After doing apt-get update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade. I cannot get a kernel greater than 3.16.0-4 |
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| 14:38.08 | dvs | ,v kernels |
| 14:38.09 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64. |
| 14:38.16 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 14:38.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.8-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.8-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.5-1~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1) |
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| 14:41.14 | sean__ | OIC thanks judd |
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| 14:56.12 | claus | ciao |
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| 15:01.39 | claus | !list |
| 15:01.39 | dpkg | claus: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 15:02.05 | d3javu | hello folks, i just got a amd rx 460 graphic card. it seems like the official driver - amdgpu-pro is not supported. Even after editting the script, it still failed to install. Any advise on which driver is currently best to use for the mentioned graphic card on debian? |
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| 15:09.55 | ewanas | hi all. It seems I broke my graphical.target by trying to install kde. Is there any way to bring up the task menu for display manager selection? I tried "apt install --reinstall" for multiple packages which look like the gnome desktop task-based package but without any luck |
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| 15:10.11 | ewanas | kdm doesn't seem to list available window managers anyway. |
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| 15:10.42 | ewanas | it's just a nice debian 8 wallpaper and a beautiful cursor without any login button or window manager selection |
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| 15:11.34 | divxdude | hi i'm still a linux nube. i installed deb8 on a an old pentium4 last year and ran into a snag and gave up for while. umm someone stole some of my fonts..lol when i boot up some of the LETTERS are missing / dim / and misspelled.such as the word "username" at login. i had an AGP video card in it but there was some "noise" distortion ion the VGA like a bad capacitor or something ..clears |
| 15:11.34 | divxdude | up with onboard VGA |
| 15:11.54 | ewanas | when I run tasksel --install i. shouldn't that be the gnome desktop task with all the nice menus? :D |
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| 15:12.40 | ewanas | err install gnome-desktop. sorry for the typos. |
| 15:13.26 | divxdude | i spent a couple months setting it up always worked fine until that one day |
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| 15:28.55 | Mathisen | hello do i need to worry about my 2 servers running jessie ?? dirty cow problems ? |
| 15:30.44 | cruncher | Mathisen, https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-5195 |
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| 15:31.23 | Mathisen | cruncher, okej u updated like 2 min ago to 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 i guess im fine then ? |
| 15:31.27 | Mathisen | i* |
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| 15:33.07 | cruncher | dont know if your machine needs a reboot, but after a reboot you should be safe |
| 15:33.26 | Mathisen | thx |
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| 15:34.18 | serverlord | no dynamic kernel update trivially possible? |
| 15:34.27 | serverlord | hm, one could also spawn a new cloud instance |
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| 15:34.32 | serverlord | but not everybody got one |
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| 15:35.25 | cruncher | possible, but dont know if recommended |
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| 15:43.34 | kermini | Literally Hitler⢠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I63o4cJKnjw "Trump is Literally Hitler⢠for wanting to put America First." |
| 15:43.36 | __raven__ | hi |
| 15:43.54 | __raven__ | how to foce a debian8 server to get an ipv6 address? |
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| 15:44.04 | socomm | kermini: If we could somehow make that debian related. |
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| 15:44.50 | socomm | __raven__: you're talking public ipv6? |
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| 15:46.47 | __raven__ | socomm: to behonest: i do not know at all :( i need to connect to a debian box behind a hitron "cve-30360" cable with ipv6 only access but the server is not shown by an ipv6 address but only ipv4 what does not work for forwarding |
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| 15:48.08 | v14d31 | hi |
| 15:48.40 | RoyK | ho |
| 15:48.44 | v14d31 | ho? |
| 15:48.56 | RoyK | hæ ;) |
| 15:49.05 | v14d31 | jesus |
| 15:49.14 | RoyK | don't know him, sorry |
| 15:49.18 | v14d31 | what language is that ? |
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| 15:49.33 | v14d31 | no problem he was not so famous |
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| 15:50.14 | RoyK | "hæ" is either icelandic for "hi" (pronounced the same as "hi") or "what???" in Norwegian, pronounced [hæ] |
| 15:50.52 | v14d31 | so u r from iceland? |
| 15:51.11 | deni | does apt-listbugs automatically hook into apt once I install it or do I have to set it up somehow? |
| 15:51.24 | deni | (it's unclear to me from the man page) |
| 15:53.14 | RoyK | deni: apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 15:53.41 | deni | RoyK: understood. I'm asking if that's all or if I need to do some configuration afterwards? |
| 15:54.09 | RoyK | dunno - I hadn't heard of apt-listbugs before you mentioned it ;) |
| 15:54.40 | deni | :) |
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| 15:56.10 | jmcnaught | deni: yes apt-listbugs will integrate with apt-get |
| 15:56.20 | deni | jmcnaught: awesome. thanks! |
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| 16:00.50 | NoCode | Why won't "adduser shadow <group name>" work? |
| 16:01.24 | k_ | Hello -- I had a dual-booted (Win + Linuxsystem on my Dell XPS 13 9350, attempted to overwrite the linux |
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| 16:01.36 | k_ | oops... hang on |
| 16:01.39 | NoCode | Complains: "addgroup: The user `shadow' does not exist." |
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| 16:01.50 | NCS_One | hi |
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| 16:02.37 | NCS_One | yesterday my sound was ok but today is not working, what could have happen? |
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| 16:03.10 | RoyK | NoCode: I usually just use useradd -m "someuser", set the password, and then edit /etc/group afterwards to add it to the groups it's needed in |
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| 16:04.27 | k_ | I attempted to install Debian 8 over my pre-existing linux install, alongside windows 10, and it failed. "Attempt to mount file system type ext4 on [partition] at / failed". Upon reboot, grub is apparently broken. I have booted into Grub2 "superdisk" but don't know how to use it. Questions are why did my Debian install fail, and what should I do to salvage my Windows and get Debian on there? Thanks. |
| 16:05.46 | NoCode | RoyK, Will that work with the shadow user though? I'm trying to add a group so I can authorize exim with <user> |
| 16:06.29 | jmcnaught | NoCode: what does "id shadow" say? |
| 16:07.02 | RoyK | NoCode: it's very little magic in the terms of users and groups in linux, it's just three files, /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow and /etc/group |
| 16:07.04 | NoCode | no such user. O.o |
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| 16:07.32 | RoyK | NoCode: create the user, add it to a group, ding! |
| 16:07.41 | jmcnaught | NoCode: indeed. you were correct that "adduser username newgroup" is the recommended way to add a user to a group in Debian |
| 16:07.56 | NoCode | Thanks. |
| 16:08.17 | RoyK | but you'll have to create the user first, obviously |
| 16:08.21 | jmcnaught | NoCode: are you trying to configure exim to allow authentication of local system users? |
| 16:08.23 | NoCode | Figured shadow was a group already implemented by the system |
| 16:08.45 | jmcnaught | NoCode: shadow is a group, but not a user |
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| 16:09.01 | NoCode | I am getting confused, sorry. |
| 16:09.12 | NoCode | https://blog.dskwrk.com/2015/12/09/Exim4-with-Dovecot-in-SSL-on-Debian-Jessie/ |
| 16:09.18 | NoCode | That's what I'm following |
| 16:09.29 | NoCode | Worked previous times. |
| 16:09.37 | jmcnaught | NoCode: see /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz for default users and groups in Debian |
| 16:09.49 | NoCode | thanks |
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| 16:10.35 | jmcnaught | NoCode: then that command is simply wrong. I would be careful following tutorials without understanding the software you're using. Tutorials often have mistakes (worse than this) in them |
| 16:10.59 | jmcnaught | NoCode: i also recommend you look at /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/README.Debian |
| 16:11.57 | jmcnaught | it's not clear to me why exim4 would need to be in the shadow group, or why that would be desirable at all |
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| 16:14.34 | RoyK | NoCode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRw0SKaXSfI |
| 16:14.47 | _abc_ | Re: CVE-2016-5195 dirtycow, which releases are affected? Does it depend only on the kernel version? |
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| 16:15.10 | dayten | why people are using exim? |
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| 16:15.37 | jmcnaught | NoCode: in fact, none of the Debian documentation for exim4 mentions shadow at all... i would find a better guide and read the Debian documentation |
| 16:15.38 | serverlord | hi |
| 16:15.54 | serverlord | I want to set up logrotate - where does logrotate itself store logs about the logrotation process? Where can I find them? |
| 16:16.05 | serverlord | And could logrotate.d also rotate its very own logs? |
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| 16:17.11 | _abc_ | serverlord: yes |
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| 16:17.24 | _abc_ | dayten: exim is the default mta installed on rhel |
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| 16:17.41 | _abc_ | and quite popular since it is made by a UK university, easy to configure and maintained |
| 16:17.46 | jmcnaught | _abc_: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-5195 also you're that guy that ranted about firefox-esr not working with SSH forwarding right? |
| 16:17.53 | serverlord | _abc_: how can I do this? I tried some logrotate status files, but they don't seem to be exist at that path in debian distributions. |
| 16:18.13 | jmcnaught | yeah, most people can do most/all of their exim config with dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 16:20.48 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: yes I am and I made it work by tweaking settings ad nauseam. |
| 16:21.10 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: I wrote it up for myself but it is not handy now. |
| 16:21.15 | _abc_ | settings in firefox |
| 16:21.26 | jmcnaught | _abc_: i bring it up because after you /quit i tested it over ssh and it just worked |
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| 16:22.09 | _abc_ | Yes but maybe you did not have my setup which involves accessing a relatively up to date wheezy with ssh, from an etch which is bas**ed beyond belief and manually maintained using source packages. |
| 16:22.43 | _abc_ | With a non accelerated X11 driver which is known to not like some combinations of background images and worse. |
| 16:22.56 | _abc_ | The tweaks had to do with rendering and acceleration. |
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| 16:24.07 | vlt | Hello. Any idea why root can read (and even write to) a file that has 000 permissions? |
| 16:24.10 | serverlord | hi |
| 16:24.14 | Shadur | Because root. |
| 16:24.18 | serverlord | So does logrotate installs a cronjob for itself? |
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| 16:24.54 | jmcnaught | serverlord: yes /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
| 16:25.05 | serverlord | I got an issue with my irc cilent :( |
| 16:25.07 | serverlord | second |
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| 16:25.17 | serverlord | ok |
| 16:25.20 | serverlord | please repost |
| 16:25.24 | Shadur | vlt: I'm not being flippant. the root bit overrides file permissions. |
| 16:25.31 | jmcnaught | serverlord: yes /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
| 16:26.14 | serverlord | jmcnaught: will logrotate create a cron job per log filter in its configuration - or will it set up a cronjob that is at least as fequent as the most frequent log filter in its config? |
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| 16:28.05 | serverlord | jmcnaught: I ask because I need to know this for a process manager in a container |
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| 16:28.23 | serverlord | jmcnaught: is it just some very frequent cron that calls logrotate.d that in turn checks whether it is time for the individual logs? |
| 16:28.31 | LostSoul | Hi guys |
| 16:28.33 | serverlord | jmcnaught: or is there a cronjob per logrotate frequncy-dependent task |
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| 16:29.02 | vlt | Shadur: Ok, I had tested the same with other users and there the r or w bits were respected. Thank you! |
| 16:29.03 | LostSoul | I have problem with proper setting up LXC bridge that would allow containers to access private network |
| 16:29.29 | Shadur | vlt: Yeah. read/write bits are basically read as "... unless you're root." |
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| 16:30.16 | LostSoul | My lxc config for container: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4aa6df9f/ my brigde: http://paste.debian.net/889024/ |
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| 16:30.43 | serverlord | LostSoul: you aren't using docker? :) |
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| 16:30.54 | LostSoul | Atm, no :) |
| 16:30.57 | LostSoul | LXC man :) |
| 16:31.02 | LostSoul | Docker in the second place |
| 16:31.04 | serverlord | yes, I used it, too now I switch to docker |
| 16:31.05 | serverlord | hmm |
| 16:31.14 | serverlord | you run it on debian jessie I hope |
| 16:31.19 | serverlord | on debian wheezy lxc was no fun |
| 16:31.34 | LostSoul | I have some LXC in company, tried to re-call this and that and LOL - I'm not able to set this up in my local VB env |
| 16:32.00 | LostSoul | serverlord: Jessie for the win :P |
| 16:32.03 | serverlord | LostSoul: maybe use some lxc helper/wrapper? |
| 16:32.09 | serverlord | yes, jessie is much nicer |
| 16:32.10 | LostSoul | Like? |
| 16:32.20 | LostSoul | tbh, I don't know any wrappers for lxc |
| 16:32.38 | serverlord | https://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/lxd |
| 16:32.58 | k_ | I don't know the etiquette here... if I don't get an answer to my question I'll eventually repost it, but how long is reasonable before doing so? |
| 16:33.02 | serverlord | oh great, I have to migrate soon from something I just migrated to :P |
| 16:33.10 | serverlord | hehe, rckt containe thingy failed bigly here |
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| 16:34.16 | Shadur | k_: Your first mistake was trying to install a new linux version on top of an existing one. Didn't you get several warnings from the installer when you told it to not erase the partitions you indicated as mount points? |
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| 16:35.03 | Shadur | Keeping /home would probably have been safe. /opt *should* be fine, although at-own-risk applies. Anything else... Dear deities above, no. |
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| 16:35.51 | k_ | Shadur: I told it to erase the data on / and /home partitions |
| 16:36.47 | k_ | What was the proper route?? I've dual many times in the past, had no problem wiping and reinstalling. |
| 16:37.38 | Shadur | The errors you mentions pretty convincingly suggest you forgot to erase *something* and as a result some old files got mixed with the new and that's causing grub to mess up. |
| 16:38.09 | k_ | I am certain the installer wrote zeros across the / partition. |
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| 16:39.45 | petn-randall | k_: If you choose to format the partition, it will just write a new filesystem on it. If you select 'keep', it will leave the existing filesystem and structure intact and install on top of it. Only if you select 'encrypted' partition it will be overwritten with random data. |
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| 16:40.09 | petn-randall | AFAIK there's no option to overwrite with zeros. |
| 16:40.29 | pingfloyd | shouldn't need to overwrite with zeros, a format should be fine. |
| 16:40.31 | k_ | Yes there is, in the partition stage of the installer, I think it's the second to last option |
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| 16:41.10 | pingfloyd | for that it should show an 'f' in the manual partition stage for the devices |
| 16:41.20 | k_ | How to format with installer? I guess I chose the erase data option thinking I was formatting it. |
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| 16:41.32 | pingfloyd | that does |
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| 16:41.52 | hanasaki | what channel for stretch info? |
| 16:42.00 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 16:42.00 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:42.16 | k_ | I will reattempt installer with an explicit format option. |
| 16:42.23 | pingfloyd | k_: from what you've described I don't think that is the issue |
| 16:42.49 | pingfloyd | k_: did you check the integrity of the installer you used? |
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| 16:43.11 | k_ | No. Do you mean the md5 sum or whatever? |
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| 16:43.30 | pingfloyd | use a better hash than that |
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| 16:43.47 | pingfloyd | and check the the gpg signature too |
| 16:44.01 | k_ | Instructions at the iso download page? |
| 16:44.28 | jmcnaught | serverlord: did you look at /etc/logrotate.conf ? |
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| 16:44.39 | pingfloyd | k_: https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
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| 16:45.03 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: rephrasing: one must try to access the client running firefox with ssh -Y (or -X) from a host with a different release / os than the one being tested to make sure. Anyway the fault probably lies/lied with firefox which is assuming bleeding edge video cards are in use |
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| 16:45.25 | k_ | pingfloyd: will do thanks |
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| 16:46.24 | pingfloyd | k_: best to do that first to eliminate that possible issue and insure you're using a copy that hasn't been tampered with |
| 16:46.36 | jmcnaught | _abc_: i see your point, but i don't think it's unreasonable for firefox to not support ssh forwarding to etch for instance. anyways, glad you got your setup working |
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| 16:46.59 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: it's all about unreasonable assumptions in rendering. |
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| 16:47.13 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: I had to dumb it down with a hammer, figuratively. |
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| 16:47.27 | Dollary | hi |
| 16:47.39 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: fwiw the system was pre firefox-iceweasel subversion and it worked fine with ssh -Y in the same config with iceweasel. |
| 16:47.51 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: the bug was slipped in when iceweasel was forced out. |
| 16:47.57 | Dollary | does anyone know why jack-rack was removed from debian? |
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| 16:48.07 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: and because I could never get the bug completely fixed, I forced downgraded to iceweasel! |
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| 16:48.35 | jmcnaught | _abc_: can you put your config changes into /etc/firefox-esr/firefox-esr.js to be able to push them to all your systems? |
| 16:48.55 | Dollary | i would have preferred to keep iceweasel instead of firefox esr, which seems buggy |
| 16:48.58 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: for iceweasel yes, but for firefox it never worked right |
| 16:49.24 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: I never tried that method though. What you suggest. |
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| 16:49.58 | jmcnaught | without the name change to from iceweasel to firefox-esr, debian still would have released a newer version (eg iceweasel 45) |
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| 16:50.27 | jmcnaught | _abc_: Debian sets it up so you can distribute default settings for firefox in /etc |
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| 16:50.58 | _abc_ | Okay, did not know. |
| 16:51.17 | _abc_ | How does one export one's settings from firefox for this purpose? |
| 16:51.27 | hanasaki | Joining #debian-next requires an invitation |
| 16:51.59 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: did you read the part about irc.oftc.net? |
| 16:52.05 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: I sure hope more testing will be done with said iceweasel 45 before release. It is really bad to nuke a huge proportion of users who use vms and ssh to access debian boxes imho. |
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| 16:54.19 | jmcnaught | _abc_: there won't be an iceweasel 45, my point was that the name change is unrelated to the changes made in the newer version. Also, firefox does work over ssh X11 forwarding between stable systems |
| 16:54.33 | jmcnaught | _abc_: anyways, look for prefs.js in your firefox profile |
| 16:54.53 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: Does one not need to diff that vs an unchanged one? |
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| 16:56.00 | ryouma | so much mischief occurs in prefs.js that i have it under git control and diff it frequently |
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| 16:56.53 | jmcnaught | yeah.. i would keep the one in /etc/firefox-esr in version control (in a configuration management playbook/recipe) |
| 16:57.33 | _abc_ | I hardly know how to set up git as a user and use it to clone. One more thing to learn. |
| 16:58.14 | jmcnaught | _abc_: you will regret not learning it earlier when you finally do. it's a lot easier than it seems at first. |
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| 16:59.17 | jmcnaught | _abc_: http://learngitbranching.js.org/ |
| 16:59.36 | ryouma | if you use emacs, magit is a good interface. to me, it is not exactly the most friendly program out there, but if you learn to show the diffs, then that is good enough. |
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| 16:59.42 | ryouma | git, that is |
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| 17:00.16 | hanasaki | why is debian-next on a different irc network>? |
| 17:00.23 | jmcnaught | i'm actually evaluating ikiwiki (which uses git backend) to use instead of moinmoin right now |
| 17:00.46 | jmcnaught | !tell hanasaki about oftc move |
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| 17:02.21 | _abc_ | okay, thanks. Moving on. |
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| 17:02.26 | jmcnaught | also.. etckeeper is great, keeps /etc under version control (defaults to git) and integrates with apt, does daily auto commits. makes checking the history of files in /etc a breeze |
| 17:02.42 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: so use oftc or server irc.debian.org for all |
| 17:02.43 | hanasaki | ? |
| 17:02.44 | LostSoul | serverlord: Thanks :) |
| 17:02.46 | LostSoul | In case you are interested |
| 17:02.47 | LostSoul | Promiscuous mode was not turned on... |
| 17:02.53 | LostSoul | In VB |
| 17:03.26 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: most of the Debian channels are on OFTC (irc.debian.org is an alias for that) but there is still a #debain channel on freenode. Use either one, or both |
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| 17:03.55 | hanasaki | so if I use irc.debian.org it will take me to the right server reguardless? |
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| 17:06.40 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: irc.debian.org is OFTC, which is not freenode. Both networks have a #debian channel. OFTC has a tonne of #debian-* channels too |
| 17:08.21 | boodie | Hi: I am planning to put together a desktop, because this one is on its last legs ... Do you have any advice regarding compatibility of the CPU / Motherboard / Graphic Card (I assume, maybe wrongly, that the Power supply / Heatsink-fan / Harddisks-SSD / RAM banks / Cases are not S.O. dependant)? I found online contradicing comments comments according to which Intel, Gigabyte etc. give problems ... Earlier on today DVS sugg |
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| 17:09.31 | mado | Hello everyone. |
| 17:09.50 | petn-randall | boodie: You message got truncated at 'Earlier on today DVS sugg'. I suggest asking in ##hardware, though. |
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| 17:11.56 | boodie | petn-randall: thanks; does ##hardware cover linux (knowing that lots of manufacturers are indifferent to linux in the best of cases)? |
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| 17:23.00 | Sandlayth | Yo |
| 17:23.09 | Sandlayth | where can i find the rootfs please ? |
| 17:23.27 | Sandlayth | i mean |
| 17:23.34 | Sandlayth | how could i build an image? |
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| 17:23.41 | serverlord | I am back :D |
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| 17:24.10 | serverlord | So I found out how exactly logrotate is using cron |
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| 17:24.32 | serverlord | There is a default cron job for logrotate - but it may be of lower frequency than the log filters in logrotate |
| 17:24.35 | serverlord | in that case one has to adjust the cronjob to a higher frequency |
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| 17:30.50 | k_ | I am installing Debian 8. I thought there were multiple DE options, including Cinnamon. Did I grab the wrong installer? |
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| 17:32.16 | baraba | during installation you should be able to select DE, k_ |
| 17:33.20 | k_ | barbara: My only option is "Debian desktop environment" |
| 17:34.26 | baraba | Gnome, Xfce, Cinamon, KDE, MATE are the options |
| 17:34.37 | baraba | LXDE |
| 17:34.51 | baraba | you can always run tasksel |
| 17:35.16 | baraba | which will let you select the DE |
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| 17:36.33 | baraba | Dont you have these options under Debian Desktop Environment, k_ |
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| 17:37.17 | k_ | barbara: I have installed Debian in the past, and I understand that those are usually present. Here I only have Gnome, which is called "Debian desktop environment." I retrieved the iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.6.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
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| 17:37.45 | k_ | So, I just need a link to the iso that includes cinnamon |
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| 17:38.38 | baraba | even the minimal install has these options afaik |
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| 17:39.14 | k_ | barbara, feel free to try it yourself. This is the iso for 8.6 from the Debian website |
| 17:39.32 | baraba | not sure now, since these isos have DE extensions |
| 17:39.48 | baraba | anyway, did you finish the installation |
| 17:39.49 | baraba | ? |
| 17:39.59 | TomTomTo1 | you don't have a working internet connection during installation? |
| 17:40.20 | k_ | yes, lxde and xfce are available but I chose the generic iso thinking it would have all the options. I did not finish installation because I don't want all the Gnome stuff |
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| 17:40.47 | baraba | select netinstall image |
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| 17:41.07 | k_ | I do not have a working internet connection. I have a firmware for my wireless card but don't know how to use it during installation, TomTomTo1 |
| 17:41.28 | k_ | So I take it I need internet for the other DE options |
| 17:41.37 | jmcnaught | k_: here is the chapter of the install manual about this: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
| 17:42.11 | baraba | install the minimal system, k_, configure network, and run tasksel |
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| 17:44.05 | k_ | barbara, i'm afraid i will be here annoying you all day long just to figure out how to get online in a command line environment. do you think it's fairly straight forward? or would it be faster for me to follow the instructions to load my firmware and re-install with internet? |
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| 17:45.51 | baraba | i'd try to follow those instructions |
| 17:46.13 | divxdude | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:46.44 | divxdude | usually an app for configuring the card in windows |
| 17:47.03 | SuperSeriousCat | Depends on the card. Get one who have Linux driver and maybe a webui |
| 17:47.06 | k_ | thanks all |
| 17:47.39 | divxdude | i bought a cheepo card off chinabay |
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| 17:51.02 | serverlord | hm |
| 17:51.07 | serverlord | I got a question! a question!! :) |
| 17:51.09 | serverlord | test |
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| 17:51.46 | gitgud | hey |
| 17:51.50 | serverlord | any recommended logrotate intervals? like for nginx or syslog? |
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| 17:52.00 | gitgud | is there a way to pass -j4 arguments to fake-root make-kpkg ? |
| 17:52.15 | gitgud | i want to compile quicker is all |
| 17:52.58 | gitgud | actually a better question would be "is there a -j4 for make-kpkg to compile quicker?" |
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| 17:59.47 | k_ | jmcnaught: The instructions to load missing firmware do not help. The installer says that a specific file is missing, iwlwifi-8000-8.ucode. I believe I have the correct firmware loaded onto my flash drive, found at https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 18:00.28 | k_ | jmcnaught: indeed that file is not included in the firmware package I have |
| 18:01.07 | epsilon | gitgud: -j4 should work, does top show all cpu as busy? |
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| 18:01.23 | dilm | i've a problem too with iwlwifi my card is not recognized |
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| 18:02.43 | gitgud | epsilon, well i'm afk from that machine right now. i'll test it later and find it :) |
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| 18:03.08 | gitgud | thanks though |
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| 18:03.20 | pingfloyd | k_: why don't you make life easy and use this one? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 18:04.25 | k_ | pingfloyd: easy sounds good... but my card is not supported in jessie without a backport. will it still work? |
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| 18:06.10 | pingfloyd | k_: you sure it's not just that you're missing the needed non-free firmware? |
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| 18:06.49 | k_ | my card requires kernel 4.1, and other advice lead me to https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/firmware-iwlwifi\ |
| 18:06.53 | k_ | it's possible I |
| 18:06.56 | k_ | m mistaken |
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| 18:08.34 | k_ | pingfloyd: in case you missed my above comments |
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| 18:10.56 | pingfloyd | k_: what makes you think you need the version from backports? |
| 18:11.16 | epsilon | k_: I suggest installing debian with an usb-etehrnet adapter first, then take care of iwlwifi |
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| 18:11.53 | pingfloyd | k_: your issue as posted, shows more that the installer couldn't find the firmware it needed |
| 18:12.25 | k_ | pingfloyd: i wanted to avoid paying $30 for an adapter that I probably won't use again. from my reading i am quite certain that i need kernel 4.1 or higher for my card. i was advised elsewhere to use said backport. do you think i should give up on this card? |
| 18:12.26 | pingfloyd | I don't see how that implies the necessity for the version kept in backports of that firmware |
| 18:13.05 | k_ | if you can point me to the correct firmware i would be happy |
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| 18:13.19 | pingfloyd | k_: it's a guess until you try it and see. Maybe with that image it will detect your wireless adapter fine |
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| 18:13.54 | k_ | i've used two other Debian 8.6 images to no avail, so I'm not hopeful but will try it |
| 18:13.55 | pingfloyd | works fine with my intel wireless |
| 18:14.08 | k_ | my intel wireless is the latest 8xxx series |
| 18:14.22 | k_ | i should have gone for 7xxx but was greedy for latest |
| 18:14.32 | Jonuz | How do I change default gcc to 5 with update-alternatives? |
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| 18:34.51 | teclo- | hello, how can I restart the usb "layer" on Debian GNU/Linux |
| 18:34.59 | teclo- | ?? |
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| 18:39.48 | RoyK | teclo-: what's the issue? |
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| 18:40.25 | teclo- | RoyK: well I'm trying to mount a microSDHC card. The device doesn't even appear as /dev/sdxx |
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| 18:41.10 | RoyK | teclo-: it should be autodetected |
| 18:41.12 | teclo- | for instance I get: Oct 23 20:38:15 nitro kernel: [ 8470.384956] scsi10 : usb-storage 1-5.1:1.0 |
| 18:41.14 | epsilon | teclo-: "tail -f /var/log/syslog" as root and insert the card again |
| 18:41.24 | RoyK | teclo-: try lsusb |
| 18:41.34 | RoyK | teclo-: or lsblk |
| 18:41.37 | teclo- | epsilon: gonna try that thank you |
| 18:41.40 | teclo- | RoyK: ok |
| 18:42.17 | teclo- | then in kern.log it increases: Oct 23 20:40:52 nitro kernel: [ 8627.077511] scsi11 : usb-storage 1-5.1:1.0 |
| 18:42.21 | teclo- | 11 after 10 |
| 18:42.24 | jelly-home | teclo-: could try unloading and modprobing usb_storage, otherwise, reboot |
| 18:42.40 | RoyK | or perhaps just replugging the usb thing |
| 18:42.45 | RoyK | jelly-home: that doesn't make sense |
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| 18:42.49 | jelly-home | I'm assuming sd_mod is loaded and you have some other /dev/sd* in use |
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| 18:42.55 | teclo- | RoyK: tried pluggind unplugging a dozen times... |
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| 18:43.30 | jelly-home | RoyK: it gets to scsi part of the stack, but not sd? |
| 18:43.42 | csahochzwei | !bethany |
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| 18:44.10 | RoyK | jelly-home: can you pastebin the output of lsblk? |
| 18:44.12 | RoyK | !pastebin |
| 18:44.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:44.14 | epsilon | teclo-: are you using a native card reader build in (the notebook) which is already recognized, or using an usb stick containing the sd card? |
| 18:44.16 | jelly-home | not me |
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| 18:44.35 | RoyK | teclo-: sorry, that was for you |
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| 18:45.18 | teclo- | RoyK: well lsblk shows nothing for sdc |
| 18:45.30 | teclo- | btw I tried rmmod usb-storage |
| 18:45.33 | Overand | Anyone have thoughts on running debian from an external USB device, re: doing it as a "LiveUSB" vs. a regular installation? |
| 18:46.06 | RoyK | teclo-: it shouldn't be necessary to reload the drives - hotplug has been in for years |
| 18:46.13 | petn-randall | Overand: Depends on what you want to achieve. If you want persistence and the ability to install/upgrade software, I'd go with a regular installation. |
| 18:46.34 | jelly-home | Overand: a regular install is probably more flexible, if you have a decent device that won't die with a normal filesystem on it |
| 18:47.02 | jelly-home | (ie. a disk or ssd, not a cheap stick) |
| 18:47.04 | teclo- | I guess the microSDHC card is busted |
| 18:47.35 | Overand | jelly-home: That's kinda the tradeoff I've got in mind there. It's probably not going to be a lovely device. |
| 18:47.46 | Overand | Though I could probably make some tweaks to the install to minimize the writes. noatime etc |
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| 19:03.50 | RoBo_V | at every apt-get im getting "E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f." |
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| 19:04.27 | neil_ | evening, I am looking to install the hamradio 'blend' on top of a freshly installed Deb box. looking at https://www.debian.org/blends/hamradio/get/ I only need install a handful of meta packages, however my system claims to have no knowledge of these packages, despite an 'apt-get update' |
| 19:04.33 | neil_ | RoBo_V: 'aot-get install -f' |
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| 19:06.43 | RoBo_V | when I does, all it is telling "Aborting downgrade from (at least) 10.0 to 5.5. an di if you want to delte some files" and getting aborted. I checke di already have 14.14 version. How to fix this. |
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| 19:07.18 | neil_ | RoBo_V: did you manually install a package by invoking 'dpkg -i blah.deb' ? |
| 19:07.43 | RoBo_V | no, I was just using apt-get earlier |
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| 19:11.02 | Dollary | how can i copy games like these from the original cartridges to use them with zsnes or similiar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgWoykqXerU |
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| 19:12.06 | Dollary | is there a catridge reader etc i can use with linux? |
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| 19:15.22 | missmbob | !offtopic |
| 19:15.22 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 19:18.20 | Dollary | ok |
| 19:18.28 | Dollary | so, why was jack-rack removed from debian? |
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| 19:19.27 | petn-randall | Dollary: You can check on the QA page of that package. |
| 19:19.50 | petn-randall | Dollary: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/jack-rack |
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| 19:22.04 | jelly-home | judd: bug rm jack-rack |
| 19:22.07 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/740123 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: jack-rack -- ROM; dead upstream»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-02-25; last modified: 2014-03-31. |
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| 19:24.00 | Dollary | thanks! |
| 19:24.03 | ghostbsd | kewl |
| 19:24.41 | Dollary | I compiled it yesterday, it had a broken Makefile but seemed to work otherwise |
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| 19:28.51 | Dollary | what does ROM mean, though? |
| 19:29.02 | missmbob | read-only-memory google is your friend |
| 19:29.31 | Dollary | well makes no sense in relation to the bug I suppose |
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| 19:30.53 | missmbob | oh, there. i dont know |
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| 19:35.00 | petn-randall | Dollary: It's a little hard to find, but it's documented here at the bottom: https://wiki.debian.org/ftpmaster_Removals |
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| 19:36.46 | Dollary | ok thanks, well the compiled version is working so far. but maybe there will be some surprises later. |
| 19:37.13 | Dollary | 'request from maintainer', alright |
| 19:37.21 | Dollary | *of |
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| 19:40.03 | Racha | day 3 of crossgrade journey, still stuck at trying to boot up 64-bit kernel, anyone know how to make grub boot up that kernel, even though its already set as default? |
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| 19:42.51 | jelly-home | Racha: do you still not have console access? |
| 19:43.15 | Racha | nope, just ssh |
| 19:43.27 | jelly-home | fun |
| 19:43.31 | Racha | ... and webmin |
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| 19:44.15 | jelly-home | I've been using :amd64 kernels on i386 for a while and they basically Just Worked |
| 19:44.44 | Racha | how did you get grub to initially boot off of the 64-bit kernel? |
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| 19:44.55 | missmbob | if you have big balls you could uninstall the i386 and see if the amd64 one gets run ;) |
| 19:45.35 | Racha | missmbob: I'm not against that, but what if the 64-bit side is corrupt and that's why it's not happeneing? |
| 19:45.46 | missmbob | thus "big balls" |
| 19:45.49 | missmbob | you'd be fucked |
| 19:45.53 | Racha | ha ha |
| 19:45.55 | missmbob | but i would've reinstalled 3 days ago |
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| 19:46.26 | RoyK | jelly-home: nice - I've been using the SPARC32 kernels on my raspberry pi for a long time, and it performs a lot better :D :D :D |
| 19:46.28 | Racha | how do you reinstall on a single machine that you only have ssh access to? |
| 19:46.37 | missmbob | is it a vpn? |
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| 19:46.57 | missmbob | vps |
| 19:47.23 | Racha | I got you all beat, I'm using GNU/kFreeBSD ... ha ha j/k |
| 19:47.36 | jelly-home | Racha: again, it just worked like any -686 or -amd64 kernel from i386 architecture |
| 19:47.39 | RoyK | missmbob: you can't. use the console given by the vps provider or their tools. make sure you have a good backup first |
| 19:47.45 | Racha | yes, just a VPS |
| 19:47.59 | missmbob | RoyK: dont tell me |
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| 19:48.12 | Racha | There's no console access |
| 19:48.15 | missmbob | Racha: so have you provider reinstall it. they do it all the time. it wont cost you extra |
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| 19:48.26 | RoyK | Racha: you can't. use the console given by the vps provider or their tools. make sure you have a good backup first |
| 19:48.32 | missmbob | Racha: and tell them to install the 64-bit version |
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| 19:48.59 | jelly-home | RoyK: there's beem a "linux-image-amd64" in i386 up until and including jessie |
| 19:49.11 | missmbob | Racha: i'm sure you can delete it from their website. then create a new vps from their website |
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| 19:49.13 | Racha | that's what I want to avoid, I understand I'm taking on a risky goal |
| 19:49.27 | gimpy3934 | Using a Debian deriv (OSMC) that's got some network-auto-configurator (but not NetworkManager that I'm used to) ... when I remove the default gw with `route` or `ip` it just comes back immediately ... any clue what does this? |
| 19:49.33 | missmbob | Racha: why? you've already wasted 3 days and trust me, it's not going to work out if this is what you're stuck at |
| 19:50.30 | Racha | because I think that I'm missing something, like grub boot logs, or a setting, I'm not super advanced at linux |
| 19:50.32 | jelly-home | from stretch onwards (and jessie-backports, I think), you have to enable multiarch amd64 and install linux-image-amd64:amd64 |
| 19:50.45 | RoyK | jelly-home: why would you have a 64bit kernel on a 32bit machine? it's not compatible |
| 19:50.51 | missmbob | Racha: yes, so give up now and have them make you a new VPS. |
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| 19:51.01 | jelly-home | RoyK: who says it's a 32bit machine |
| 19:51.08 | Racha | jelly-home: that's already been done, the issue is getting the machine to boot up off of the now installed kernel |
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| 19:51.35 | jelly-home | RoyK: i386 stands for "debian architecture" |
| 19:52.02 | Racha | It's 32-bit, and I set up multi-arch and installed the 64-bit kernel, and trying to boot off of it, before I install the 64-bit packages |
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| 19:52.41 | RoyK | jelly-home: i386 != x64 - I don't know, but is this a form of using 64bit kernelspace and 32bit userspace to save some memory from those pointers? |
| 19:52.42 | jelly-home | Racha: what kind of VPS is it? |
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| 19:53.11 | jelly-home | RoyK: it's mostly a form of "I can't be bothered to do a reinstall" |
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| 19:53.58 | Racha | jelly-home: a cheap-ass one for $15 a month. |
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| 19:54.15 | missmbob | please just delete the vpn and create a new one. i beg you |
| 19:54.15 | jelly-home | Racha: which vm solution does it use? |
| 19:54.34 | Racha | VMware I think, but I have no access to it |
| 19:54.42 | missmbob | oh. he's thinking container |
| 19:54.58 | jelly-home | Racha: you realize you wasted 8+ hours on this, and your time is probably worth more than $2/hr |
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| 19:55.38 | TG_ | time that was wasted learning wasn't wasted |
| 19:55.44 | missmbob | and why the fuck do i keep typing vpn today instead of vps? damn |
| 19:55.50 | Racha | I also have so many packages and settings that I don't want to have to recreate on a fresh install, I know I'm not following standard protocol at all, but I enjoy a challenege... sometimes |
| 19:56.09 | TG_ | Racha, you can still install 64 bit packages without running an amd64 kernel I think |
| 19:56.19 | jelly-home | without console (either virtual vga, or serial) access it's hard to say what grub hiccups on |
| 19:56.31 | jelly-home | Racha: install "imvirt" and run it |
| 19:56.40 | TG_ | pointless futzing around with Linux is an excellent investment of time :) |
| 19:56.59 | jelly-home | TG_: they just won't work unless there's a compatible kernel running |
| 19:57.29 | TG_ | isn't there a grub instruction for "don't change the default boot, but the next boot use *this* kernel?" |
| 19:57.40 | jelly-home | and their goal seems to be switching from i386 to amd64 _debian architecture_ in-place |
| 19:58.37 | TG_ | I would like to know if it can be done too :) |
| 19:59.04 | Racha | I believe anything can be done, given one's level of ... "leetness" |
| 19:59.12 | GeMiNniS | bye |
| 19:59.25 | mrtrump | debian is an easy to install good enuf linux |
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| 19:59.38 | mrtrump | archlinux are fools for not having a better installer |
| 19:59.55 | mrtrump | otherwise they would be best until you get to rmox and plan9 |
| 20:00.09 | mrtrump | and few can graasp them and meneutos |
| 20:00.14 | mrtrump | or colorforth |
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| 20:00.22 | Racha | Is there an apt package for imvirt? |
| 20:00.25 | teraflops | mrtrump: please shut up |
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| 20:00.42 | jelly-home | Racha: yes, it's called... imvirt |
| 20:00.42 | missmbob | ,v imvirt |
| 20:00.43 | judd | Package: imvirt on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.4-4; jessie: 0.9.6-1; stretch: 0.9.6-3; sid: 0.9.6-3 |
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| 20:01.17 | Racha | I'm an idiot, I spelled it imvert SMH |
| 20:01.37 | mrtrump | teraflops: your words are less than civilized |
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| 20:03.01 | sphalerite | gimpy3934: I don't know anything about OSMC but it could be ConnMan |
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| 20:06.37 | TG_ | Racha, if GRUB fails to boot who reboots the machine for you? |
| 20:06.41 | Racha | yeah, I'm on VMware, it says ESX, but I highly doubt that, I'm fairly certain it has to be a an ESXi server |
| 20:06.56 | jelly-home | that's pretty much the same thing |
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| 20:08.01 | Racha | Yes, but I'm a VMware/Nutanix admin and I see them as having a big difference :) |
| 20:08.32 | jelly-home | then host your vps on your own infra and give yourself console access |
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| 20:09.15 | Racha | I won't, that would be unethical, I work for a government agency |
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| 20:11.42 | jelly-home | that's the only way being an admin would be relevant for your current issue |
| 20:12.15 | Racha | hmmm, I know my host provider wanted to move me to a new Xen server, and acturally run the upgrade movement, I wonder if I should let them and have them do the base 64-bit install and copy over userspace, and do it all for me :/ |
| 20:12.31 | Racha | I just remembered they called me like 5 months ago |
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| 20:13.13 | TG_ | that won't satisfy my curiosity! |
| 20:13.26 | TG_ | just kidding. you can do what you like :) |
| 20:13.43 | Racha | TG_: I mean, I genuinly have that feeling |
| 20:15.13 | Renari | What login screen does debian use? Is it gdm? |
| 20:15.26 | missmbob | it can. gdm would be default |
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| 20:15.56 | missmbob | it could be kdm, lightdm, etc |
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| 20:16.12 | Renari | Hm, does it depend on the desktop environment? |
| 20:16.19 | missmbob | yes |
| 20:16.20 | TG_ | yes, it does! :) |
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| 20:16.32 | Renari | Alright which one does cinnamon use then. |
| 20:16.37 | missmbob | gdm |
| 20:16.41 | Renari | Alright, thanks. |
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| 20:20.01 | TG_ | it seems like having a log-to-disk option for GRUB would be a reasonable option |
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| 20:21.47 | Racha | TG_: right?!? |
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| 20:24.45 | anox | Hi, will someone help me with my Debian VM |
| 20:25.00 | radio_nowhere | Is there a meta package for latin fonts? I do hobby graphics stuff and would like a wide variety of fonts. I don't know of a good apt-get wildcard command that wouldn't pull in a large amount of unneeded packages. |
| 20:25.09 | Renari | missmbob, it appears to be lightdm |
| 20:25.11 | anox | Currently some of my keys are executing commands instead of entering characters, and I can't click the x on applications to close them |
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| 20:25.29 | anox | This happenes after the "run" box pops up |
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| 20:25.57 | anox | For example, when I press "e", I file manager opens |
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| 20:28.10 | hassoon | Debian is used in the ISS wow |
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| 20:29.04 | TG_ | anox, a key is stuck down? |
| 20:29.12 | anox | lol no |
| 20:29.18 | TG_ | maybe the vm thinks so |
| 20:29.22 | anox | This happens sometimes who change workspaces |
| 20:29.23 | anox | and applications |
| 20:29.26 | anox | then go back into the vm |
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| 20:29.37 | anox | If I restart the vm it works fine again |
| 20:29.43 | hassoon | anox: check your DE's/WM's keyboard shortcuts, you might have done something there |
| 20:29.45 | anox | if I click a textbox |
| 20:29.47 | anox | nothing enters |
| 20:30.13 | anox | but if I restart the vm |
| 20:30.14 | anox | it works fine again |
| 20:31.04 | jhutchins_wk | TG_: Grub mostly interacts with disks in read-only mode. |
| 20:32.00 | jhutchins_wk | TG_: By the time it's mounted read-write grub has handed off to the kernel and initrd. |
| 20:32.36 | anox | Btw I'm using i3 |
| 20:32.39 | Racha | jhutchins_wk: I'm no programmer, but I would think that the output could be put into memory, and then written, once the system is booted and has r/w access to the disk |
| 20:32.43 | anox | so I'm using the power key oftne |
| 20:33.51 | jhutchins_wk | Racha: It would require redesigning a bunch of stuff. |
| 20:34.11 | jhutchins_wk | Racha: What you can do is run grub in interactive mode and see what the results of each operation are. |
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| 20:35.50 | Racha | jhutchins_wk: you missed the earlier convo, where I don't have console access to the machaine, and only have SSH access once it's booted |
| 20:38.26 | TG_ | jhutchins_wk, still, maybe a read/write mode could be implemented for logging errors. it has many other features |
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| 20:41.43 | apdapr | In which case I should use the r8169 module and in which should I use the r8168-dkms one? |
| 20:41.51 | apdapr | (for a Realtek 8111G card) |
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| 20:44.35 | NeedHeLp | Hi sll |
| 20:44.38 | NeedHeLp | Hi all |
| 20:44.58 | missmbob | TG_: there's no room for r/w drivers. grub has very, *very* little memory to work with |
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| 20:45.11 | NeedHeLp | i installed debian on a USB. When i boot from it i am able to enter my password for Luks encryption. But after that nothing happens |
| 20:45.13 | NeedHeLp | pls help |
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| 20:51.41 | TG_ | missmbob, ok, thanks |
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| 21:05.57 | r00tobo | guys, do I have to restart for a server due to kernel patches? |
| 21:06.06 | missmbob | yes |
| 21:06.08 | r00tobo | or that doesn't need a restart? |
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| 21:06.25 | r00tobo | ok |
| 21:06.28 | r00tobo | thanks |
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| 21:07.21 | crazythings | soooo... |
| 21:07.52 | crazythings | i did an a2ensite and than * to get https on. reloaded apache and now is not listening even in lpain 80. happened? °-° |
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| 21:18.35 | duck_ | Hi |
| 21:18.57 | duck_ | Anyone here? |
| 21:19.01 | monsterco | Hi everyone - trying to install Debian 8.6 using USB stick onto my embedded PC Engne APU board. I get "Undefined video mode number: 314" and things don't move there after. Am I supposed to modify some file to make this serial capable vs vga mode? |
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| 21:20.03 | duck_ | Hello everyone, i can't boot my debian. I have a USB with lvm encryption. After i boot from it i am able to type in the password, but then i see a blank screen and a cursor flicking. Nothing happens after. Pls help me |
| 21:20.39 | mtn | duck_: your debian is installed to an usb stick? |
| 21:20.51 | duck_ | yes |
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| 21:21.14 | duck_ | mtn: i want to have it with me and use it on pc's i dont trust |
| 21:21.26 | mtn | duck_: the dark screen with a cursor is usually a video driver problem. what video card is it? |
| 21:21.38 | duck_ | mtn: ATI |
| 21:21.57 | mtn | duck_: did you look at the debian wiki for ati video? |
| 21:22.18 | mtn | duck_: you could also try using nomodeset at boot time to see if it will get to a desktop |
| 21:22.34 | TG_ | are you sure it doesn't have anything to do with failing the encryption on the harddisk? |
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| 21:22.43 | TG_ | he shouldn't even see a cursor if it's a video problem |
| 21:22.51 | duck_ | mtn: where do i type nomodeset? |
| 21:22.55 | mtn | TG_: that is quite normal |
| 21:23.08 | mtn | duck_: edit the grub boot menu and add it to the kernel line |
| 21:23.20 | duck_ | i am seing a cursor flicking on the upper left side of the screen. the background is all black |
| 21:23.35 | mtn | duck_: right. I have heard of it many times |
| 21:24.05 | mtn | duck_: are you at that screen right now? |
| 21:24.09 | duck_ | mtn: so do i have to type "nomodeset" all the time, or only on ati graphic card related pc's? |
| 21:24.28 | duck_ | mtn: i will be in few minutes |
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| 21:24.49 | mtn | duck_: get to the screen and then hit ctrl+alt+F2. what happens? |
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| 21:24.59 | monsterco | woudl something like this help me? "console=ttyS0,38400 video=off" |
| 21:25.01 | mtn | duck_: this should be a good troubleshooting step |
| 21:25.07 | duck_ | mtn: you want me to step into a new "terminal" |
| 21:25.16 | duck_ | mtn: i will give me a couple of minutes |
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| 21:25.28 | mtn | duck_: yes, if it works. let's see what it does or does not do. |
| 21:25.33 | duck_ | mtn: sure |
| 21:25.41 | duck_ | mtn: i write again when im ready |
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| 21:51.53 | jelly-home | duck_: ^^ use that, not #flood, sorry |
| 21:52.45 | duck_ | !paste wow |
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| 21:53.42 | duck_ | !paste paste.debian.net/889123 |
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| 22:11.38 | missmbob | is there a way to change the keyshort in xfce4-terminal for switching tabs? now it's alt+num and i want to change |
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| 22:12.27 | RoBo_V | hey guys how can we run crontab task as root user |
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| 22:16.10 | awal1 | missmbob, ctrl+pageup/pagedown maybe? |
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| 22:16.23 | missmbob | RoBo_V: that's default if you just throw something in /etc/crontab |
| 22:16.56 | missmbob | awal1: i just cant have it be alt+num is all. i need to change it to something else because alt+1 conflicts with a program i'm running in it |
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| 22:17.59 | awal1 | missmbob, Ctrl+PageUp/PageDown works for me here |
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| 22:18.12 | RoBo_V | missmbob: hmm, how can we see detaileed output of same task |
| 22:18.22 | missmbob | awal1: works here too. that's not the point. it's also alt+num. i can't have it be alt+num. |
| 22:18.48 | missmbob | RoBo_V: you have to pipe the output to whatever logfile you want |
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| 22:19.43 | missmbob | RoBo_V: so after the script path in /etc/crontab you would add something like > /tmp/cronlogfoo.log 2>&1 and you'll have the log in /tmp/cronlogfoo.log |
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| 22:20.26 | RoBo_V | missmbob: right, what does 2>&1 mplies |
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| 22:20.38 | awal1 | missmbob, Alt+number and Ctrl+PageUp/PageDown works here when the terminal have focus |
| 22:20.48 | missmbob | awal1: are you drunk? |
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| 22:21.51 | missmbob | RoBo_V: google. 2> redirects stderr to a file, appending &1 redirects stderr to stdout |
| 22:22.01 | RoBo_V | ok ty |
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| 22:23.46 | awal1 | missmbob, I'm never drunk :P I just wanted to tell you that you may want to use ctrl+pageup/pagedown as an alternative bcuz I dont see an option for config what you want in terminal preferences ;) |
| 22:24.52 | missmbob | awal1: then i think you need to reread. |
| 22:25.14 | RoBo_V | missmbob: so yea i see, if task is running as root it says permission denied. |
| 22:25.23 | RoBo_V | im trying to rsync some files, thats it. |
| 22:26.11 | RoBo_V | from /var/www to external HDD |
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| 22:32.53 | awal1 | missmbob, I think you "can" change that editing the file /.config/xfce4/terminal/accels.scm |
| 22:33.44 | missmbob | awal1: thanks i'll look |
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| 22:35.33 | Paul-- | hello |
| 22:35.52 | missmbob | d |
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| 22:39.51 | Paul-- | I use debian 7.11 , iceaweasel browser ask me to activate flash bugged plugin to view you tube videos , don't youtube use html5 without flash ? please answer me |
| 22:41.44 | ojeno_ | What version of Iceweasel do you use? |
| 22:41.47 | Paul-- | I want see youtube videos with H264 , I have h264 plugin installed , but youtube ask me to activate flash, please answer me |
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| 22:43.05 | Paul-- | 38.8.0 |
| 22:43.29 | TG_ | there's a mozilla add-on for that, youtube flash, a few of them really |
| 22:43.58 | TG_ | wait. you say it doesn't work with Flash or HTML5? |
| 22:44.14 | Paul-- | TG_, usually youtube go without flash, with html5 |
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| 22:44.58 | allizom | Paul--: What if you disable Flash from about:addons / Plugins / Set Flash to Never activate ? Or better uninstall it |
| 22:45.00 | Paul-- | TG_, don't go with html5 , youtube ask me flash plugin, but youtube use html5 with H264 |
| 22:45.28 | allizom | BTW, you should really update Iceweasel to the new ESR |
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| 22:45.46 | ojeno_ | First of all, you should update to 45.4 |
| 22:45.50 | ojeno_ | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:46.01 | ojeno_ | Indeed |
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| 22:46.27 | Paul-- | allizom, Ok done. I didn't think youtube ask flash by default , now go |
| 22:47.02 | Paul-- | dist-upgrade = upgrade to 8 , to much long I re-install from zero pls |
| 22:47.03 | TG_ | Paul--, so what do you want? HTML5 or H264? |
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| 22:47.36 | allizom | TG_: they're not mutually exclusive |
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| 22:48.18 | Paul-- | H264 |
| 22:48.35 | ojeno_ | (Btw, Flash is not officially part of Debian) |
| 22:48.38 | Paul-- | excuse me , html5 |
| 22:48.57 | Paul-- | I know , flash is in the backports |
| 22:51.03 | ojeno_ | As far as I know it is part of the contrib repository which is not officially part of Debian, so I guess you have added that. Anyway, I recommend using the Iceweasel add-on HTML5 Video Everywhere |
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| 22:54.21 | Paul-- | I ran apt-get update && upgrade ; the system is upgraded but iceweasel is again to 38.8.0 , why ? |
| 22:55.43 | Paul-- | I ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ; the system is upgraded but iceweasel is again to 38.8.0 , why ? |
| 22:55.57 | ojeno_ | Did you restart the browser? |
| 22:56.03 | Paul-- | sure |
| 22:56.35 | TG_ | Paul--, ok, so what's preventing you from seeing H264 again? |
| 22:57.54 | humbot | iceweasel was kept back because of the change to firefox-esr ? |
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| 22:58.10 | Paul-- | TG_, nothing you tube go , I don't understand 'cause iceweasel don't upgrade |
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| 22:58.37 | humbot | i think you need to run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:59.36 | TG_ | Is Iceweasel refusing to run Flash because it's not a secure version? |
| 22:59.37 | Paul-- | this is the standard version iceweasel |
| 22:59.51 | humbot | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=128717 |
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| 23:00.14 | Paul-- | humbot, I re-install debian 8.* from zero , sorry upgrade is too much slow |
| 23:00.38 | humbot | okay |
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| 23:00.55 | humbot | i guess i misunderstood the problem |
| 23:01.21 | Paul-- | and here in italy the dsl line are as african lines...very slow , I have 240Kbyte/sec of band |
| 23:01.32 | TG_ | Paul--, can you run update-flashplugin-nonfree --verbose and tell me what it says? |
| 23:01.53 | TG_ | it probably doesn't matter |
| 23:02.52 | TG_ | where on YouTube does it say to "Activate Flash"? in the box where the video would normally play? |
| 23:03.41 | Paul-- | pablo@debian:~$ lsb_release -a |
| 23:03.41 | Paul-- | No LSB modules are available. |
| 23:03.41 | Paul-- | Distributor ID:Debian |
| 23:03.41 | Paul-- | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 7.11 (wheezy) |
| 23:03.42 | CuteMeOwnThroat | Paul--, there was a switch from iceweasel branding back to firefox about half a year ago⦠it probably needs a dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade or whatever it's called now) for that switch |
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| 23:03.51 | CuteMeOwnThroat | oh yay |
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| 23:04.01 | Paul-- | bash: update-flashplugin-nonfree: command not found |
| 23:04.03 | Paul-- | pablo@debian:~$ |
| 23:04.05 | Paul-- | excuse me |
| 23:04.21 | CuteMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
| 23:04.23 | CuteMeOwnThroat | Paul--, there was a switch from iceweasel branding back to firefox about half a year ago⦠it probably needs a dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade or whatever it's called now) for that switch |
| 23:04.37 | ojeno_ | Indeed, you should do a dist-upgrade, it does not upgrade to Debian 8 |
| 23:04.51 | CuteMeOwnThroat | oh, he's on wheezy |
| 23:04.54 | CuteMeOwnThroat | no wonder |
| 23:05.09 | ojeno_ | https://packages.debian.org/nl/wheezy/firefox-esr |
| 23:05.26 | CuteMeOwnThroat | dpkg, wheezy->jessie |
| 23:05.27 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
| 23:07.06 | humbot | you should still be able to upgrade in a few hours |
| 23:07.32 | Paul-- | CuteMeOwnThroat, do u mean iceweasel isn't in the new repository of wheezy ? |
| 23:07.52 | ojeno_ | Why upgrade to Debian 8, the latest Iceweasel/Firefox-esr is in the Weezy repositories |
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| 23:08.36 | humbot | oh nice, firefox itself should only take a few minutes |
| 23:09.02 | Paul-- | ojeno_, I'll install debian 8 from zero I told you , I have debian on 3 computer, and have the dvd too and I know to make a usb pendrive bootable with debian |
| 23:09.25 | humbot | that speed is just under half of what i have on adsl2 in the UK, not super-terrible |
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| 23:10.18 | Paul-- | we have more old telefone line of west europe here, the phone cable are old of 30-40 years |
| 23:10.56 | CuteMeOwnThroat | ojeno_, because it makes little sense to run wheezy-lts on something that has desktopy software like ff? |
| 23:11.00 | Paul-- | with hpsa+ modem I go to 400-450Kbyte/sec |
| 23:11.13 | Paul-- | hspa+ |
| 23:12.04 | CuteMeOwnThroat | there's that |
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| 23:12.33 | Paul-- | however , debian number 1 |
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| 23:13.52 | TG_ | Paul--, you need to run update-flashplugin-nonfree as root to get it to work |
| 23:13.58 | ojeno_ | Ok, excuse me if I do not understand the matter, but I interpreted it as you were running Wheezy now and have an out-to-date version of Iceweasel. So the easiest way to solve a lot of Iceweasel-related problems is to upgrade to the newest version |
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| 23:14.32 | allizom | TG_: I assume that Paul-- is viewing Youtube videos just fine with Flash set to never activate |
| 23:14.54 | Paul-- | html5 |
| 23:15.35 | Paul-- | however flash is a fine big bullshit |
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| 23:16.08 | Paul-- | I un-install it , and never I'll re-install |
| 23:16.10 | Paul-- | sure |
| 23:16.46 | allizom | props |
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| 23:17.26 | TG_ | Paul--, please paste the output to me in /msg or use http://paste.debian.net |
| 23:18.06 | TG_ | Paul--, are you telling me you uninstalled Flash and now you expect it to work? |
| 23:19.49 | Paul-- | TG_, pls don't be stupid ... youtube use html5 for the videos ... |
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| 23:20.16 | TG_ | please don't call me stupid if you can't get Flash running |
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| 23:23.41 | TomTomTo1 | why are we talking about flash? he said he didn't want it. |
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| 23:25.34 | Paul-- | another question : how may I download the hotfix and after use they to upgrade many machines ? |
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| 23:29.10 | TomTomTo1 | what hotfix? if you are looking for an apt caching proxy, there is for example apt-cacher-ng |
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| 23:29.48 | Paul-- | I have 1 pc and 2 laptop with debian , how may I download the hotfix for default debian 8 and after use they to update 3 machines ? |
| 23:30.41 | dvs | Paul--, apt-mirror is one way but that's probably overkill |
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| 23:32.42 | Paul-- | dvs, overkill ? why ? |
| 23:33.35 | dvs | Paul--, it downloads the whole archive and keep it up to date. If you just want one patch, I'd just get the .deb file. |
| 23:35.11 | zykotick9 | Paul--: you might want to check out apt-cacher-ng |
| 23:35.23 | Paul-- | dvs, I mean download the .deb files of the classic : apt-get update && apt-get upgrade | and after use it to upgrade the computer ; as I told before I have a little dsl line here sorry |
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| 23:37.03 | Paul-- | ok I see it, it's a perl script |
| 23:37.27 | Paul-- | I write the information, and the next time I upgrade all to deb 8 |
| 23:37.40 | dvs | Paul--, After you run those commands, you could search for it in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 23:38.16 | sm00th | what script? |
| 23:39.23 | Paul-- | apt.cacher is a perl script |
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| 23:39.42 | Paul-- | good |
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| 23:47.14 | apb1963_ | so there I was, minding my own business watching youtube, when debian froze. I powered down and back up.... and X won't come up. |
| 23:47.53 | apb1963_ | Jessie. |
| 23:50.44 | gry | does a tty come up if you ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 23:51.02 | th0r | apb1963_, for beginners, the lock file for X probably needs to be deleted. It is usually dumped when X shuts down....which it didn't |
| 23:52.44 | apb1963_ | gry, that's where I start out... no need to switch VTs. Yes, I'm logged in at a terminal |
| 23:52.53 | apb1963_ | th0r, Where is it please? |
| 23:53.22 | gry | how much free disk space have you got |
| 23:53.48 | apb1963_ | 85 GB |
| 23:54.40 | th0r | apb1963_, not sure. had that problem years ago...the experience taught me not to. I think it was called .Xlock, but not even sure abt that ... been a long time |
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| 23:56.07 | missmbob | it's .X0-lock but it's in /tmp, which means it gets deleted on reboot (as with everything else in /tmp). |
| 23:56.41 | apb1963_ | ok, so it's not disk space and it's not a lock file... |
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| 23:56.49 | gry | I would type `startx` in a tty and read the output, maybe it's enlightening |
| 23:57.05 | apb1963_ | gry, sounds reasonable |
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| 23:58.50 | apb1963_ | gry, freaky friday... I did it over ssh from another machine just out of curiousity... it's running. lol |
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| 23:59.55 | gry | Started working, but your login manager does not work? |