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| 13:16.31 | shortCircuit__ | ok |
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| 13:20.37 | shortCircuit__ | but how does one add a searchdomain with route add |
| 13:21.07 | shortCircuit__ | dns I guess I can add with route add default gw serverip |
| 13:21.11 | bezaban | shortCircuit__: you can't. |
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| 13:21.33 | shortCircuit__ | so directly edit the resolv.conf .. sudo tee !! |
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| 13:27.23 | corbytacrb | #craiva |
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| 13:44.58 | Flashtek | Good afternoon peoples. I am trying to make a Debian box, with dnsmasq installed, silently drop AAAA requests. I found the command "iptables -A AAAA -m dns --query-type AAAA -j DROP" but my Jessie box just reports that it can't load the match (which I think means I am missing an extension). I installed "xtables-addons-common" but the problem persists... any thoughts on this appreciated. |
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| 13:46.36 | gebruiker | aah |
| 13:46.50 | gebruiker | took the plunge and dist-upgraded to sid |
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| 13:48.54 | RoyK | !sns |
| 13:48.55 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 13:50.00 | cuker | dpkg: backports |
| 13:50.00 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 13:50.12 | cuker | dpkg: ssb |
| 13:50.12 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 13:50.17 | gebruiker | i followed the offical handbook fuck what dpkg says |
| 13:50.47 | gebruiker | sorry for the blunt expression, but i am sure you can imagine fancy reasons for justifying the handbook |
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| 13:51.29 | RoyK | !debian-next |
| 13:51.30 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 13:56.00 | r3m1 | hello |
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| 13:56.49 | r3m1 | I have modified apache web server configurations, and when I do a service apache2 restarts, it fails with the following message Reloading web server config: apache2 failed! |
| 13:57.07 | r3m1 | which log shall I look into to see what's wrong ? |
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| 13:57.34 | xormor | is there a reason I should use aptitude or apt-get instead of "apt"? |
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| 13:57.50 | CalTech | Hi! |
| 13:57.53 | CalTech | I'm CalTech! |
| 13:57.56 | CalTech | How are you all? |
| 13:58.21 | r3m1 | alright, found the bug |
| 13:58.22 | missmbob | r3m1: sudo apachectl configtest might help |
| 13:58.32 | OpenTokix | xormor: cool progressbar |
| 13:58.34 | r3m1 | thx missmbob |
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| 14:00.17 | JyZyXEL | can i debootstrap on top of a existing chroot? |
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| 14:05.40 | babilen | JyZyXEL: What do you expect that to achieve? |
| 14:05.50 | babilen | And: What happened when you tried? |
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| 14:06.57 | JyZyXEL | im just a bit concerned because i enabled "passwd" and "groups" in schroot nssdatabases after i had already debootsrapped the system |
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| 14:07.26 | JyZyXEL | meaning it overwrote the groups and passwords on the chrooted system with the host configurations |
| 14:07.55 | JyZyXEL | they might or might not match the uid/gid's on the chrooted filesystem anymore |
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| 14:08.20 | JyZyXEL | it's hard to say, because schroot does not back up the old ones |
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| 14:09.05 | JyZyXEL | so im thinking i might want to redo the whole chroot with debootstrap |
| 14:09.12 | JyZyXEL | just to be sure |
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| 14:09.46 | DammitJim | I have a samba mount to another linux server |
| 14:09.56 | DammitJim | I turned off that other server and now df is hung on my machine |
| 14:10.01 | DammitJim | how long until that returns? |
| 14:10.24 | DammitJim | sorry, not a linux server, it's a windows server |
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| 14:16.55 | jhutchins | DammitJim: WHen are you planning to reboot next? |
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| 14:17.28 | DammitJim | I"m bringing the windows server back up now |
| 14:17.31 | Flashtek | open another terminal and kill the process, then force unmount the share |
| 14:17.37 | DammitJim | the problem I have is that there are applications that depend on that mount |
| 14:17.48 | DammitJim | and I want to be notified when the resource is not available |
| 14:17.59 | DammitJim | and so far my scripts that look into /proc/mounts is not alerting me |
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| 14:18.15 | Flashtek | nagios or similar? |
| 14:18.23 | DammitJim | for some reason (which I have to look into), some server mounts are disconnecting on me w/o me knowing |
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| 14:19.31 | n4dir | what is the question DammitJim |
| 14:19.41 | Flashtek | DammitJim: might want to look in to the nagios scripts... much can be tested with that, and doesn't mandate running the nagios UI |
| 14:20.04 | DammitJim | n4dir I have server mounts |
| 14:20.20 | DammitJim | sometimes those mounts become unavailable on the server and applications rely on those paths |
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| 14:20.31 | DammitJim | I need to be able to #1 get notified that the resource is no longer available |
| 14:20.43 | DammitJim | #2 try to remount it automatically |
| 14:20.55 | DammitJim | I tested this by turning off the remote server |
| 14:21.04 | DammitJim | but my scripts that check /proc/mounts are not alerting me |
| 14:21.07 | DammitJim | also doing a df just hangs |
| 14:21.25 | Flashtek | that's likely because, as far as the system is aware, it's still mounted |
| 14:21.26 | Flashtek | just stale |
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| 14:21.29 | n4dir | you probably will want to pastebin your script in that case. |
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| 14:22.13 | DammitJim | n4dir, the script just does this: if ! grep -qs "/mnt/servermount" /proc/mounts; then alert;fi |
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| 14:28.23 | n4dir | and alert else does work? |
| 14:29.22 | n4dir | that is: i can't figure out what "alert" might be ... |
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| 14:32.07 | DammitJim | no |
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| 14:33.23 | n4dir | Well: i guess that is your problem. |
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| 14:36.34 | DammitJim | no, the problem is that the system is NOT telling me that the mount is not thre |
| 14:36.45 | DammitJim | and like I said... the df command hangs and doesn't return |
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| 14:36.57 | DammitJim | so, what should I be checking so that the system gives me a state of the mount |
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| 14:37.50 | n4dir | you should have asked that in the first place. just saying. anyway, i got other things to do now |
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| 14:39.45 | lantern | i'm having this odd issue with ssh on a new installation. any idea how to turn of the debug message? sshd_config shows Loglevel ERROR. http://dpaste.com/3KW5E6F |
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| 14:41.44 | petemc | lantern: you're not using -verbose with the client ? |
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| 14:47.46 | SerajewelKS | is there some reason why systemd does not create user journals when logs are transient? |
| 14:47.57 | SerajewelKS | i can't get any logs from user services :S |
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| 14:50.06 | lantern | petemc: no, just ssh without parameters |
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| 14:55.54 | jhutchins | lantern: You might try it with 1-3 -v just to see if you get more context. |
| 14:56.08 | jhutchins | lantern: I doubt it's a server-side thing. |
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| 15:05.14 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
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| 15:09.35 | habs | somiaj: OK, so I tried to make a chroot with "sudo debootstrap stretch /srv/chroot/stretch/" and I eventually got "I: Extracting zlib1g..." / "W: Failure trying to run: chroot /srv/chroot/stretch mount -t proc proc /proc" / "W: See /srv/chroot/stretch/debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details", with debootstrap.log reading "Illegal instruction": http://sprunge.us/MegH What can I do to further debug / fix this? |
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| 15:21.24 | jhutchins | habs: The usual recommendation is to install stable, then "upgrade" to testing. The installers are some of the last software to be finalized before a release. |
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| 15:24.55 | Learnerwind | hi |
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| 15:32.55 | Razva | how can I set a cifs to be mounted on boot? |
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| 15:34.58 | r3m1 | have an apache server. Configured a Vhost . There are some cgi-bin that are available in this host. I need to pass environment variables the executables in cgi-bin |
| 15:35.10 | r3m1 | in my .conf I used the PassEnv directive |
| 15:35.18 | CuteMeOwnThroat | put it in /etc/fstab⦠man fstab should tell you how |
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| 15:36.32 | r3m1 | the poroblem is that when I start apache, i have warnings [warn] PassEnv variable AUTH_TOKEN was undefined |
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| 15:42.24 | njumdl2014_ | Hello, I have a question about software dependency problem. locales->libc-bin->libc6. When I install libc6, it depends on locales. Wow, how do I solve this problem? |
| 15:42.31 | njumdl2014_ | http://paste.debian.net/890429 |
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| 15:45.25 | CuteMeOwnThroat | that's a bit too err, chinese for me⦠set LANG=C ⦠or possibly even LC_ALL=C before you run commands |
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| 15:46.08 | CuteMeOwnThroat | judd, versions locales |
| 15:46.10 | judd | Package: locales on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u6; sid: 2.24-5; stretch: 2.24-5 |
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| 15:46.58 | CuteMeOwnThroat | oh, and as this seems to be ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu, not here |
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| 15:48.24 | njumdl2014 | I asked there, but no response. |
| 15:48.46 | njumdl2014 | Is there any general method to solve software dependency problem? |
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| 15:49.43 | CuteMeOwnThroat | no⦠and generally you just don't ever get dependency problems if you only use packages from debian stable |
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| 15:50.52 | ToTheInternet | Hi. I did an apt-get upgrade which apparently updated libc6 and postgresql. the latter now is not working anymore. 'service postgresql status' says 'active' and 'Started PostgreSQL RDBMS' but there is no process listening on port 5432. there exists, however, a running postgres process. |
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| 15:52.00 | ToTheInternet | i can't connect locally either, by doing 'psql -U username', it is not able to accept connections. |
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| 15:52.07 | CuteMeOwnThroat | what version of debian is this⦠or from what to what did you upgrade |
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| 15:53.13 | ToTheInternet | CuteMeOwnThroat: it's debian testing |
| 15:53.36 | ToTheInternet | CuteMeOwnThroat: i hadn't run apt-get upgrade for about 4-6 weeks, can't say exactly. |
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| 15:55.25 | CuteMeOwnThroat | I'd check bugs.debian.org/postgresql ⦠and you probably want to ask that at irc.oftc.net in #debian-next |
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| 15:56.59 | CuteMeOwnThroat | apart from that⦠try to see what errors there may be when you restart⦠either in logs (/var/log/messages and some postgresql-specific log in /var/log/ ; or possibly via journalctl) |
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| 15:57.18 | elliot007 | Hey today I did a fresh debian install, then I install few utilities and i3 wm and then I installed gnome-disk-utility, |
| 15:57.20 | CuteMeOwnThroat | I'd also start it manually to see what it may print directly to a terminal |
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| 15:57.38 | elliot007 | then I run it from terminal, it gave me seg fault |
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| 15:58.24 | elliot007 | then I installed gnome-terminal and then I run it again and this time it worked |
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| 15:58.49 | paul` | Hi folks, what is your sentiment about proxmox ? I'm new to it, and so far I ran into multiple problems and limitations. Is it supposed to be quality work, or just a quick GUI on top of kvm and LXC with nothing really compeling to offer to a decent debian admin ? |
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| 16:00.24 | CuteMeOwnThroat | they have their own channel here, ##proxmox |
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| 16:02.22 | jhutchins | !proxmox |
| 16:02.22 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 16:04.36 | kals | hello |
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| 16:07.05 | kals | can anyone help me real quick? I am developing a little tool that mounts encrypted partition (It's for a school project) and I need to somehow use the device mapper to make a device file wrap around one time. That is, map for example /dev/sda onto, say, /dev/mapper/abc0 such that abc0 has twice the size of sda and repeats all the contents of sda once. |
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| 16:07.43 | kals | I'm don't expect to get someone to tell me how to achieve that right away but I don't know where to read |
| 16:07.49 | kals | I don't * |
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| 16:09.22 | way218 | kals: which country are you from ? |
| 16:09.40 | kals | argentina, why? |
| 16:09.46 | way218 | encryption in school |
| 16:09.53 | way218 | sounds nice |
| 16:09.55 | kals | well.. college |
| 16:09.59 | way218 | ic |
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| 16:11.19 | jhutchins | kals: You can mount a partition on itself. Might need to mount -bind |
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| 16:11.59 | kals | I don't want to mount partitions (yet). I just want to map a device on a way that it contents are "laid out" twice. |
| 16:12.12 | kals | I kind of just need it to wrap around once |
| 16:12.38 | way218 | losetup has offset and size-limit |
| 16:12.52 | way218 | you can combine it with a raid |
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| 16:13.59 | kals | I can? what kind of raid would that be? |
| 16:14.04 | way218 | linear raid |
| 16:14.17 | way218 | you want to double your bitstream, right ? |
| 16:14.27 | way218 | i thought it the other way round |
| 16:14.41 | way218 | mak 0b0101 into 0b01010101, right ? |
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| 16:15.16 | kals | exactly |
| 16:15.29 | styler2go | Hello. I am trying to setup an IPv6 dyndns. Is there some kind of client to do that? I tried ddclient but it seems like it can only update ipv4 |
| 16:15.34 | kals | 0101 into 01010101 |
| 16:16.08 | way218 | and if you flip bit 0 you also flip bit 4, right ? |
| 16:16.51 | CuteMeOwnThroat | kals, "man cryptsetup" is probably the start |
| 16:17.32 | kals | that's right way218. |
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| 16:18.32 | way218 | CuteMeOwnThroat: sure this is all ? |
| 16:18.52 | kals | CuteMeOwnThroat I already read that manpage. But let's just forget about encryption. I want to use encryption after mapping the device so that it wraps around. |
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| 16:19.51 | CuteMeOwnThroat | way218, no, but clearly the place to start :) |
| 16:20.11 | kals | yup. |
| 16:20.13 | way218 | yes but i think the encryption part is the smaller problem here |
| 16:21.41 | kals | exactly. Ive already used cryptsetup to encrypt a volume before. That's not an issue, at least so far. |
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| 16:21.57 | way218 | you dont want to put a filesystem in there, right ? |
| 16:23.28 | kals | I do. Its supposed to be deniable encryption. We want to have several different partitions (all of them of the same size) only with their partition tables at different offsets |
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| 16:24.19 | kals | Also each partition would be mounted under different encryption keys. (That implies using cryptsetup everytime we want to mount a partition) |
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| 16:25.18 | ignasr | hi, trying to start nfs-kernel-server on xen domU and getting "Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. ... (warning)." How should I debug this? Does this mean that xen is unable to donfs? |
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| 16:25.23 | kals | And that also implies that only one partition can be mounted at a time. And that the user has to be careful not to write too many data or it could "bleed out" onto other partitions |
| 16:25.24 | way218 | kals: there is sth. called linear raid. you may be able to concatenate the block device twice |
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| 16:26.14 | __VEGAN__ | Have you eaten ground beef recently? Ground beef is the result of everything outside of the cow's bones (including nerves) being ground up. Ground beef often contains prions (misfolded proteins) which due to mammalic protein metabolism act virally and will cause you to come down with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) where your brain slowly decays due to holes forming in your |
| 16:26.14 | __VEGAN__ | brain, as the proteins in your body lose their ability to fold properly. Do you feel as smart as you were last week or last month? You may have it. Meat has always been murder, but now, when you serve beef, you may be murdering the ones you love and even yourself. There IS a healthy alternative! Visit www.vegan.org today! |
| 16:26.15 | kals | great. dankeschön way218. |
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| 16:26.29 | kals | (please tell me you actually are from germany and i didnt make a fool of myself) |
| 16:26.51 | way218 | its true, but how do you know? shitty english or ip ? |
| 16:27.31 | kals | ip. i checked when you asked me were i was form haha. ist es nicht verboten andere sprachen zu sprechen , oder? |
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| 16:27.45 | way218 | ich denke schon |
| 16:28.03 | way218 | englishonlyanarchos |
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| 16:28.12 | kals | haha |
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| 16:28.38 | kals | anyway. thanks! I will do some reading on linear raids. right now i gtg. |
| 16:28.58 | way218 | if this is the way to go you must asure that there is no caching |
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| 16:29.18 | way218 | i am not sure if this is going to work actually :) |
| 16:29.39 | kals | anything helps |
| 16:29.43 | kals | bye |
| 16:30.22 | way218 | cu |
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| 16:32.58 | elliot007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.08 | Goddesspapa | What's the voodoo to make Steam not such a pain in the ass on Jessie? |
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| 16:34.00 | jhutchins | Goddesspapa: It has not been established that steam is a pain in the ass on jessie. |
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| 16:34.21 | jhutchins | !steam |
| 16:34.21 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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| 16:39.27 | jhutchins | Well, that was certainly a sparkling conversation. |
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| 16:40.23 | Goddesspapa | You are a sparkling conversationalist. |
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| 16:41.43 | jhutchins | Goddesspapa: I think we can say that it's been established that multiarch is, and has always been a pain in the ass. |
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| 16:43.08 | unborn | jhutchins: would be better to kill spam right a way ;) |
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| 16:44.03 | xormor | does it matter if I use the normal BIOS startup or UEFI when I want to boot up Debian? |
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| 16:44.33 | greycat | You mean the installer? Yes, it matters. |
| 16:44.36 | jhutchins | xormor: Matter in what way? |
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| 16:45.08 | xormor | jhutchins, it seems that on this computer I am typing on now there is /dev/sda1 for UEFI and some bootup system management and /dev/sda2 is the "root partition". |
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| 16:45.26 | greycat | If the computer is already set up to boot in UEFI mode, stick with that. |
| 16:45.42 | xormor | jhutchins, on the other hand on my laptop there is /dev/sda1 for root and no UEFI, just BIOS because I wanted to try it that way. |
| 16:46.14 | xormor | greycat, this desktop computer I am on now is set up to boot in UEFI mode already. |
| 16:46.20 | greycat | If the computer is already set up to boot in BIOS mode, stick with that. Don't let the installer boot in UEFI mode on a machine where the hard drive is set up for BIOS. |
| 16:46.31 | greycat | Been there done that. |
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| 16:47.39 | xormor | greycat, thanks. |
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| 17:00.54 | kingkong- | i want to install http 2.7.5 textutil::split and htmlparse 1.2 but couldnt see on apt-cache. im on wheezy. how to install these? |
| 17:01.49 | greycat | What htmlparse package is that? |
| 17:02.22 | greycat | And I can't find any package with both textutil and split in the name.... |
| 17:03.28 | greycat | These sound like package names for some programming language. The question is, *which* language? |
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| 17:04.12 | kingkong- | its tcl script requires these. https://paste.kde.org/pimhzo8i4/txeii4 |
| 17:04.42 | kingkong- | i found tdom but not others |
| 17:04.54 | greycat | ,v tcllib |
| 17:04.55 | judd | Package: tcllib on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.14-dfsg-3+deb7u1; jessie: 1.16-dfsg-2; stretch: 1.18-dfsg-3; sid: 1.18-dfsg-3 |
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| 17:05.30 | greycat | There's an htmlparse in tcllib, and wheezy's version of tcllib is 1.14. Don't know which version of htmlparse specifically is in there. |
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| 17:06.07 | kingkong- | i think i have tcllib already |
| 17:06.34 | greycat | Inside tclsh, what does "package require htmlparse" give you? |
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| 17:08.21 | kingkong- | 1.2 |
| 17:08.35 | greycat | OK, that's settled. Now the others.... |
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| 17:09.18 | greycat | Also inside tclsh, try "package require textutil" and "package require http". Are those version numbers OK too? |
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| 17:09.40 | Taslehoof | hola |
| 17:09.42 | Taslehoof | hi |
| 17:11.19 | kingkong- | greycat: textutil 0.7.1 and http 2.7.7 |
| 17:11.54 | greycat | OK, sounds like you have what you need. |
| 17:14.15 | kingkong- | but script gives this error https://paste.kde.org/ph2eqlycb/5r1xvj |
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| 17:15.42 | greycat | Wheezy has tcl 8.5, not tcl 8.6. Tcl 8.5 doesn't have the "try" command. |
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| 17:16.29 | greycat | You either need to install tcl 8.6, or redo the script to use only Tcl 8.5 features. |
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| 17:16.56 | greycat | (Or upgrade to stable.) |
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| 17:17.20 | matu_ | Hi, is Nginx easier to configure than Apache2 ? (for postgres+php development) |
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| 17:17.41 | matu_ | i dislike the configurations files of apache |
| 17:17.43 | greycat | Some people believe it is. It's mostly a matter of which one you're used to. |
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| 17:18.24 | nkuttler | for php nothing beats mod php |
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| 17:18.41 | greycat | nginx + php-fpm is just fine for what little I do |
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| 17:18.50 | nkuttler | doesn't get simpler than that. that being said, i still run nginx in front of all apaches.. |
| 17:19.05 | matu_ | ok |
| 17:19.25 | matu_ | my apache webserver does not execute the php file and the configuration file is a mess |
| 17:19.36 | matu_ | unix services are used to be easier to manage |
| 17:19.54 | nkuttler | matu_: on debian all you should have to do is to install libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 17:20.34 | matu_ | ok, the php files were not executed by the apache server, it was a mess, i will give it a try later |
| 17:20.35 | matu_ | thank you |
| 17:20.38 | jelly | matu_: ease of apache config did not change during the last 18 years or so it existed |
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| 17:21.10 | matu_ | ok |
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| 17:21.53 | greycat | apache 2.4 did change the configuration a bit, which adds difficulty because now you have to contradictory sets of instructions. Three contradictory sets if you include the 1.x docs. |
| 17:22.00 | greycat | two* |
| 17:22.36 | greycat | Double the number of conflicting sets of documentation when you factor in the Debian changes to 1.3, 2.[0-2] and 2.4 |
| 17:22.47 | jelly | or it eases up because Allow/Deny/Order is thankfully gone |
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| 17:23.05 | jelly | ymmv |
| 17:23.17 | greycat | If you were starting from ground zero with apache 2.4 and somehow managed to stumble across documentation that did not use anything OLDER, then sure, it might be simpler. |
| 17:23.28 | greycat | If you're upgrading from wheezy, forget it. |
| 17:23.44 | greycat | Nightmare on debian street. |
| 17:24.11 | jelly | if one thinks any change, anywhere, is an increase in difficulty, one perhaps should not work in IT |
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| 17:25.50 | unborn | jelly: yeah IT is bad thing to do :) |
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| 17:26.32 | kingkong- | greycat: i dont see tcl 8.6 on cache |
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| 17:29.22 | greycat | I said wheezy doesn't have it. You'll have to install it by compiling upstream source code (www.tcl.tk) and then you may have to do special things to make it find the Debian packages. |
| 17:29.22 | greycat | If you can upgrade to jessie, that may be a better long-term choice. |
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| 17:32.11 | kingkong- | i cant upgrade my vps :( |
| 17:32.23 | Taslehoof | anyone can tell me the channel to debian Argentina? |
| 17:32.56 | greycat | Sounds like you're building tcl 8.6 source code then. I'm not sure how to make that see the Debian packages like tcllib though. You might need to experiment or ask #tcl. |
| 17:33.22 | kingkong- | Taslehoof maybe /list *debian* or /alis ? |
| 17:33.23 | greycat | (On my systems, I don't even attempt to use the Debian tcl packages....) |
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| 17:34.03 | kingkong- | greycat: ok i will try #tcl as first |
| 17:34.13 | kingkong- | why dont you attempt? |
| 17:34.25 | greycat | Does it have to be Argentina specifically, or simply español? |
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| 17:34.54 | greycat | kingkong-: I build Tcl, then build the packages to install within that version of Tcl. |
| 17:35.21 | greycat | Installing upstream tcllib isn't terribly hard once you've installed an upstream Tcl. |
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| 17:37.04 | Taslehoof | thanks kingkong |
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| 17:38.39 | kingkong- | i think i didnt try it before |
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| 17:44.39 | habs | jhutchins: somiaj: I was able to successfully install mipsel stable in my chroot, but I got this error after editing my /etc/apt/sources.list to stretch and doing an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade: http://sprunge.us/EhJd What can I do to debug / fix this? |
| 17:45.56 | somiaj | habs: could be a bug in the package. You can fix the locale warnings with 'apt-get install locales' and then dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:46.46 | somiaj | habs: umm did you start with a wheezy chroot, you need to upgrade to jessie beofre upgrading to stretch |
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| 17:48.10 | greycat | He said he "install[ed] mipsel stable", whatever that means. |
| 17:48.35 | greycat | In any case, stretch upgrade questions belong in #debian-next on OFTC. |
| 17:49.23 | habs | somiaj: Ah sorry I'm an idiot, forgot to change the initial debootsrap command from wheezy to jessie. Retrying now, and greycat: noted, I'll move to that channel |
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| 18:04.57 | hanshenrik | som1 should give the eclipse maintainer a kickstart, the eclipse provided, both in testing and unstable, is ancient |
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| 18:06.00 | greycat | Someone should file a wishlist bug report, then. And learn to spell "someone". |
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| 18:10.23 | rocket__ | hi im using libre office |
| 18:10.31 | rocket__ | libre calc |
| 18:10.35 | rocket__ | is there something better |
| 18:10.37 | rocket__ | it sucks so much |
| 18:10.39 | cruncher | no |
| 18:10.40 | rocket__ | >D |
| 18:10.43 | rocket__ | ok |
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| 18:10.49 | rocket__ | crashed and stuff |
| 18:10.52 | rocket__ | and its so slow |
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| 18:11.06 | rocket__ | i think its better to write some code |
| 18:11.15 | rocket__ | before this program makes me crayz |
| 18:11.17 | cruncher | mine is fast as lightning |
| 18:11.21 | rocket__ | crazy |
| 18:11.36 | rocket__ | i have a big table |
| 18:11.36 | rocket__ | more tables |
| 18:11.53 | cruncher | when i use libroffice, i run a cpu stresstest to 90% cpu usage so it behaves like a "normal" office should behave |
| 18:12.18 | cruncher | otherwise its too fast |
| 18:12.23 | cruncher | :P |
| 18:12.24 | rocket__ | not that big tho |
| 18:12.24 | rocket__ | i have a prettz fast computer tho |
| 18:12.24 | rocket__ | its only the calc |
| 18:12.24 | rocket__ | writer is fine |
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| 18:13.50 | greycat | rocket__: Please write at least one full sentence per line. |
| 18:14.05 | rocket__ | sure |
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| 18:14.40 | cruncher | rocket__, but depending on the calc file or if you have even macros, it might be slow |
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| 18:14.49 | cruncher | *content of the |
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| 18:15.15 | rocket__ | im using lot of functions, not that bad but |
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| 18:15.38 | rocket__ | thank dude |
| 18:15.38 | cruncher | rocket__, just as a comparison, did you try on a friends comouter with ms office to see if its libreoffice or your file? |
| 18:15.47 | rocket__ | yes |
| 18:15.48 | cruncher | i doubt its (much) faster |
| 18:15.56 | rocket__ | no its not |
| 18:16.09 | rocket__ | i have a couple of computers here and that one is the fastest of all |
| 18:16.36 | cruncher | then i guess its all fine, no problem then to solve :) |
| 18:17.34 | rocket__ | no its not |
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| 18:18.04 | greycat | If your question is with the coding of libreoffice itself, you might try #libreoffice |
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| 18:18.45 | rocket__ | greycat, my question was rather if there is something better. dont think ppl will anser that there... but its ok i ve got my answer so far. |
| 18:18.45 | jamesl | how do I get rid of VNC's "too many authentication failures" error when trying to connect without restarting the server? I don't want to close all X11 applications |
| 18:18.59 | jamesl | is there something I can do to reset the counter? |
| 18:20.10 | xff1 | hi. Please is there way to see if webserver (nginx) will be restarted during upgrade? (nginx/jessie 1.10.2-1~dotdeb+8.1 all [upgradable from: 1.10.1-1~dotdeb+8.2]) all packages: http://pastebin.com/raw/buGdyswY |
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| 18:20.29 | th0r | jamesl, not sure if it will work, but have you tried resetting the server? 'sudo systemctl restart tightvncserver' |
| 18:20.35 | greycat | dotdeb ... whyyyyy ... |
| 18:20.55 | jamesl | th0r, and that won't kill all running applications in X? |
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| 18:21.27 | xff1 | greycat: there wasn't better alternative |
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| 18:21.43 | th0r | jamesl, are you talking about things running in X, or things running on the vnc desktop? It will kill whatever is on the vnc desktop. Also...are you running x11vnc on desktop 0? |
| 18:22.04 | jamesl | things runing on the VNC desktop. specifically, Hexchat |
| 18:22.19 | GreenMartian | Switched from NM to Wicd in Jessie. Systemd loads Wicd after Pidgin. How to I get Wicd to load earlier? |
| 18:22.20 | jamesl | I'm running Xtightvnc on desktop 0 |
| 18:22.31 | greycat | Well, it seems pretty clear that if you upgrade nginx from version v1 to version v2, it will be stopped and restarted. Right? What's the question exactly? |
| 18:22.36 | th0r | jamesl, yes...if it is running on the vnc desktop it will get killed when vnc is restarted |
| 18:22.41 | jamesl | oh well |
| 18:23.55 | cruncher | jamesl, you simplay have to wait, or restart vbnc server as already sugegsted |
| 18:24.21 | cruncher | assuming you are entering the correct password |
| 18:24.21 | xff1 | I want to be sure nginx will be restarted. I know that some apps have ability to do upgrade without restart. |
| 18:24.34 | th0r | jamesl, I am running x11vnc on this desktop. Just stopped it and it did not kill hexchat |
| 18:25.15 | xff1 | greycat: how you know? I don't need to know from knowledge, I need to read it somewhere in apt doc or something like that. |
| 18:25.24 | greycat | Check the process's uptime after the upgrade and if it's not short enough, restart it yourself. |
| 18:27.05 | rocket__ | general question about repos, im rather new to linux. is it secure to install software from the offical repos? i guess those are tested for malicious behavior |
| 18:27.38 | xff1 | why I want to know: if nginx won't restart, then it doesn't care when upgrad will be done |
| 18:27.50 | greycat | Packages are cryptographically signed, and the key to verify the signatures is part of your initial installation. |
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| 18:33.14 | Walex | rocket__: the answer obviously is "NO": no security audit of software is done systematically in most distributions |
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| 18:34.12 | Walex | rocket__: most likely a large fraction of *any* software packages (commercial or free software) contains a significant number of deliberate or accidental security issues. |
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| 18:35.16 | greycat | You seriously assert that a "large fraction" of packages have DELIBERATE security flaws? |
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| 18:35.27 | greycat | I can't accept that without some evidence. |
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| 18:35.56 | rocket__ | Walex, who is testing those packages for malicious behavior and or leaks? |
| 18:36.04 | greycat | !security |
| 18:36.04 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
| 18:36.19 | greycat | !dsa |
| 18:36.19 | dpkg | [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ ; RSS feeds at http://www.debian.org/security/dsa (titles only) and http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long (summaries). Ask me about <dsa lookup DSA-nnnn> for information about the packages affected. See also <tracker of doom>, <debsecan>, <dsa team>. |
| 18:36.25 | rocket__ | Walex, ok so no one ist testing it. i see |
| 18:36.46 | greycat | Yes, listen to the tinfoil hat guy instead of the bot. Good plan. |
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| 18:38.44 | cruncher | :D |
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| 18:38.45 | TomTomTosch | there is also a debian security audit project that works with the security team. |
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| 18:44.35 | cruncher | rocket__, "Walex, ok so no one ist testing it. i see"... he just said "not systematically" |
| 18:45.28 | cruncher | greycat's link will be very helpful |
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| 18:46.24 | azarus | Hey guys, i'm running a webserver with apache2, and i've set up this redirect "Redirect / https://example.com" in my 000-default.conf, but now when i try to get to "example.com/something" it redirects me to "example.comsomething", which of course, is wrong. |
| 18:46.51 | preaction | so Redirect / https://example.com/ |
| 18:47.02 | azarus | preaction, yes. |
| 18:47.19 | greycat | note the trailing slash in preaction's version |
| 18:47.21 | preaction | so what's the question? |
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| 18:47.37 | azarus | Ah, i need a slash after it? |
| 18:47.40 | azarus | I'll try that |
| 18:47.55 | preaction | i mean, if there's a missing slash after the ".com" in the result, that'd be my guess |
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| 18:48.42 | azarus | ... And you're right, preaction. Missing slash after ".com". Thanks preaction and greycat |
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| 18:52.44 | blazeme8 | hi, I'm reading the new Debian New Maintainers' Guide - it seems like a project's use of some sort of 'make' system is more or less required? |
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| 18:52.58 | blazeme8 | Is there a recommendation for projects that use custom scripts? |
| 18:53.06 | greycat | "write a Makefile" |
| 18:53.29 | blazeme8 | That's what I wanted to hear. Thanks! |
| 18:53.31 | greycat | (But an actual Debian developer should answer this... I'm just a user.) |
| 18:53.51 | blazeme8 | ah okay |
| 18:54.18 | blazeme8 | I'm totally onboard with switching to a standard makefile. but interested in other ideas. |
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| 18:54.33 | stew | blazeme8: debian/rules MUST be a makefile by policy 4.9 |
| 18:54.53 | stew | blazeme8: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html |
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| 18:55.25 | blazeme8 | stew: excellent, good to know. thanks! |
| 18:56.58 | hanshenrik | ive been using ubuntu for my linux desktop because ive been too lazy to try to configure the xfce4 on debian to be pretty (the default layout looks like something from the 1990's x.x) |
| 18:57.02 | hanshenrik | now ive taken some time to customize my debian-xfce4, and it fits me much better than xubuntu theme ever did :D |
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| 19:00.37 | somiaj | blazeme8: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is a good place for questions about making packages for the debian archive. You can also use debian helper when making a package to copy scripts over (in absent of a make system that does it -- I'm unsure what packages that just provide scripts do, maybe check one out, one that pops to mind is the script for the flashplugins |
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| 19:03.15 | blazeme8 | somiaj: ahhh, it's on oftc, I must have misread, I tried the same channel on freenode earlier. thanks! |
| 19:04.05 | sm00th | what kind of channel sit hat? |
| 19:04.40 | somiaj | sm00th: check out mentors.debian.net, it is for people trying to get their packages into debian. |
| 19:04.49 | sm00th | ahh |
| 19:05.10 | somiaj | there is also #packaging on oftc for general packaging questions if you just want to package (not worried about making it the quality needed for debian archives) |
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| 19:47.54 | jhutchins | hanshenrik: About the only problem I have is that on one installation the clock launches the calendear, on another it doesn't. |
| 19:48.18 | jhutchins | hanshenrik: I do have a problem with the GL Slideshow screensaver, but I don't think that's xfce's fault. |
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| 19:48.44 | modifier | hey |
| 19:49.39 | mrrhq | Good afternoon. |
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| 19:50.37 | jhutchins | preaction: I think the rule is if the source ends in a slash the target should too. |
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| 19:50.53 | jhutchins | preaction: Then again, maybe always end with slash. |
| 19:51.11 | greycat | In this case, the source began with, ended with, and was a slash. |
| 19:51.14 | preaction | i'm not the one who had a problem. but the canonical source would be #httpd |
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| 19:56.20 | OnceMe | hello |
| 19:56.35 | OnceMe | my kernel release and version differs, how can I check if im vuln to dirtycow? |
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| 19:56.51 | OnceMe | should I check for release or version of kernel to see if I'm vuln to it? |
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| 19:57.07 | hexnewbie | OnceMe: I assume that's a distro kernel. Check the distro's changelog |
| 19:57.25 | ryouma | i'm wanting to find the date dirty cow was made public and the date debian stable was patched. also, which backport kernel version was the first to be patched. |
| 19:57.41 | OnceMe | hexnewbie: where to check for that? |
| 19:58.04 | hexnewbie | OnceMe: It depends on the distro. Mine has it in /usr/share/doc/linux-image..... |
| 19:58.09 | OnceMe | hexnewbie: uname -rv |
| 19:58.09 | OnceMe | 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) |
| 19:58.24 | OnceMe | thats release and version, version is fine and not vuln as I found on net |
| 19:58.31 | OnceMe | but Im not sure for release, does release needs to be fixed too? |
| 19:58.45 | hexnewbie | OnceMe: I think it might be patched, dirty cow came around 19th, and Debian got a patched kernel rather quickly (i.e. I first heard from Debian) |
| 19:59.02 | OnceMe | 19th? |
| 19:59.18 | hexnewbie | 2016-10-19 |
| 19:59.36 | OnceMe | ok but why for release I see 3.16.0-4-amd64 ? |
| 19:59.42 | OnceMe | that release is vuln to dirtycow |
| 19:59.55 | hexnewbie | 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 should be the patched version |
| 20:00.02 | OnceMe | yesh it is |
| 20:00.08 | OnceMe | so basically I have a patch? |
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| 20:00.16 | OnceMe | its shown in kernel version I believe, right? |
| 20:00.22 | hexnewbie | OnceMe: No |
| 20:00.59 | hexnewbie | OnceMe: But the changelog in /usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 should tell you the patch has been included |
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| 20:01.30 | OnceMe | its gz |
| 20:01.33 | OnceMe | how to read it ? :P |
| 20:01.37 | hexnewbie | OnceMe: zless |
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| 20:02.36 | OnceMe | I don't see it :( |
| 20:03.10 | hexnewbie | Pastebin the log for the last version |
| 20:03.26 | greycat | zless is standard on Debian |
| 20:03.46 | greycat | actually "required" ... it's in gzip. |
| 20:04.05 | OnceMe | the log is really long, can I search in it for a dirtycow? |
| 20:04.15 | hexnewbie | OnceMe: It would be in the last version released on 19th |
| 20:04.26 | ryouma | OnceMe: grep for cve-2016-5195 |
| 20:04.36 | greycat | zgrep |
| 20:04.39 | ryouma | it's there for me |
| 20:05.02 | OnceMe | zgrep "cve-2016-5195" changelog.Debian.gz |
| 20:05.04 | OnceMe | returns nothing |
| 20:05.09 | hanshenrik | ads |
| 20:05.10 | ryouma | -i |
| 20:05.11 | greycat | $ zgrep 2016-5195 /usr/share/doc/linux-image-*/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 20:05.11 | greycat | /usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz: (CVE-2016-5195) |
| 20:05.16 | ryouma | OnceMe: |
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| 20:06.11 | ryouma | i don't suppose we can check if we got hit by dirtycow? |
| 20:06.15 | ryouma | assuming not |
| 20:06.23 | greycat | It's a local exploit. |
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| 20:06.53 | hanshenrik | jhutchins, well, i didn't like the default theme, but with some tuning: http://image.prntscr.com/image/47d661c74ae04f9d9c3b3f99b14bf872.png |
| 20:07.06 | OnceMe | well I can check it and I get |
| 20:07.06 | OnceMe | (CVE-2016-5195) |
| 20:07.20 | OnceMe | so its there, however I dont see nowhere in patches that anyone mentions dirty cow patch,,, :( |
| 20:07.23 | questionaire | Why should(n´t ) I upgrade to stretch? have been running debian stable for a while now - and some of the new software supports my work environment better. With 6 months to wait before it gets frozen, i think it might be good to update now. |
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| 20:07.35 | greycat | OnceMe: they mention the CVE. That's sufficient. |
| 20:07.43 | hexnewbie | OnceMe: Changelogs are not fond of sensational nicknames |
| 20:07.51 | OnceMe | whats CVE then? |
| 20:07.51 | ryouma | questionaire: #debian-next can help you |
| 20:07.54 | hexnewbie | Very conservative and unfunny those guys are |
| 20:07.55 | greycat | !cve |
| 20:07.55 | dpkg | hmm... cve is Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures, a database of publicly known information security vulnerabilities. http://cve.mitre.org/ Most Debian Security Announcements have a CVE identifier, ask me about <dsa>. Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information. |
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| 20:08.12 | greycat | !cve lookup CVE-2016-5195 |
| 20:08.12 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2016-5195 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-5195 |
| 20:08.15 | OnceMe | CVE-2016-5195 |
| 20:08.19 | OnceMe | !CVE-2016-5195 |
| 20:08.23 | questionaire | <ryouma> why do you chose to stay with stable ( assuming desktop ) ? |
| 20:08.26 | OnceMe | ah ok |
| 20:09.19 | ryouma | questionaire: conservative :) also don't want to spend my time fixing issues. i feel a duty as a user to report bugs to improve the distro and that is what you are supposed to do in testing. but that takes effort. |
| 20:09.31 | jhutchins | questionaire: I choose stable because daily usability is more important to me than new features. The computer is a tool to do other work, not an end in itself. |
| 20:09.34 | hexnewbie | OnceMe: The short story is that Debian (and backports) seemed to be patched before or around it made the news. (Unless you used a signed backports kernel) |
| 20:09.35 | OnceMe | so how do I know if I use patch? |
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| 20:09.54 | OnceMe | and why kernel version and release differ? |
| 20:10.05 | greycat | OnceMe: Ultimately? You compile the exploit and run it locally and see if it works. |
| 20:10.06 | jhutchins | questionaire: The end of the freeze can be the most broken period. It's often when they tackle the really big release blocker problems, like the intel video problem a couple years ago. |
| 20:10.18 | greycat | OnceMe: if you're not willing/able to do that, you just trust what the changelog.Debian.gz file says. |
| 20:10.19 | questionaire | <jhutchins> I understand but sometimes other versions from upstreamcontain fixes that are not in the stable so one is stuck with a borked sofware version |
| 20:10.39 | jhutchins | questionaire: If I were more interested in messing with testing and finding bugs, I'd do a dual-boot so I could always fall back if I needed the tool. |
| 20:11.16 | jhutchins | questionaire: If there are actually break-fixes they should get updates. If there are significant new features they often get backported. |
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| 20:12.36 | OnceMe | and why kernel version and release differ? |
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| 20:12.52 | greycat | I don't understand what you're asking. |
| 20:13.58 | hexnewbie | OnceMe: Because Debian compiles the kernel that way |
| 20:14.06 | greycat | Are you asking why "3.16.0-4" does not match "3.16.36-1+deb8u2"? |
| 20:14.35 | OnceMe | greycat: yes |
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| 20:15.19 | greycat | 3.16.0-4 indicates the feature set. It's used by all of the kernel modules and everything. When the security team releases an update, they make sure the kernel interface has not changed, so it will continue working with your custom compiled nvidia driver modules and so on. |
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| 20:16.50 | OnceMe | so im using patched version? |
| 20:17.32 | greycat | I certainly hope so. |
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| 20:22.36 | OnceMe | greycat: how to ensure that? |
| 20:22.45 | OnceMe | Ive read docs and it says I have that patch |
| 20:22.55 | greycat | uname -a |
| 20:23.00 | OnceMe | but how to ensure I really do use the patch |
| 20:23.15 | greycat | 16:10 greycat> OnceMe: Ultimately? You compile the exploit and run it locally and see if it works. |
| 20:23.43 | OnceMe | Linux myserv 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:23.48 | dewrf4543frew | hi |
| 20:23.51 | OnceMe | greycat: I dont want to screw my system |
| 20:23.57 | dewrf4543frew | me too |
| 20:24.03 | greycat | The 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 means you are running a very new Debian stable kernel. |
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| 20:24.40 | greycat | From /usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz we see that version 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 is the one which includes the fix for CVE-2016-5195 |
| 20:24.48 | OnceMe | yeah ok |
| 20:26.34 | mrrhq | I wonder what the "deb8u2" is referring to. |
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| 20:27.11 | greycat | Usually it means this is a security release, rather than a release by the package's regular maintainer(s). |
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| 20:28.57 | mrrhq | I guess if you do apt-get changelog linux-image-$(uname -r) you can see any changes that happens. |
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| 20:30.14 | greycat | that's the same as zless /usr/share/... right? |
| 20:30.20 | ryouma | is 4.5+73~bpo8+1 vulnerable to dirtycow? |
| 20:30.33 | greycat | Don't know. That's an *old* backported kernel, so probably? |
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| 20:31.10 | mrrhq | ryouma: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 20:31.58 | OnceMe | mrrhq: 404 not found http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/updates/main/l/linux/linux_3.16.36-1+deb8u2/changelog |
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| 20:33.33 | mrrhq | OnceMe: Yeah, I did it wrong. You'll have to do apt-get changelog linux-image-<arch> |
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| 20:34.54 | mrrhq | Thing is I'm not sure how to print your architecture name. Maybe dpkg-architecture. |
| 20:35.03 | mrrhq | I don't remember. |
| 20:35.29 | TomTomTosch | linux-image-amd64 presumably is only a metapackage. it's probably not the one that you want. |
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| 20:35.30 | greycat | dpkg --print-architecture maybe, but I think it's still wrong |
| 20:35.31 | dpkg | wish i knew, greycat |
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| 20:37.49 | mrrhq | apt-get changelog linux-image-$(dpkg-architecture -q DEB_HOST_ARCH) |
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| 20:42.02 | TomTomTosch | getting the changelog if the kernel package doesn't work on my system either. weird. |
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| 20:42.13 | TomTomTosch | s/if/for/ |
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| 20:43.40 | mrrhq | That is wierd. |
| 20:43.59 | TomTomTosch | apt-get changelog linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 that is. |
| 20:44.16 | mrrhq | It should just be linux-image-amd64 |
| 20:44.21 | mrrhq | It's a meta-package. |
| 20:44.30 | TomTomTosch | and i don't want the meta-package. |
| 20:44.48 | mrrhq | I have it installed because it helps me firuge out what my latest kernel is. |
| 20:44.51 | mrrhq | *figure |
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| 20:45.18 | TomTomTosch | i'm not looking for the changelog of the metapackage. |
| 20:45.34 | greycat | Perhaps apt-get changelog doesn't know how to handle security updates. |
| 20:45.50 | mrrhq | dpkg -l | grep -E "^linux-image" |
| 20:45.51 | dpkg | ii | grep -E "^linux-image" 2.7-2.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 20:45.55 | greycat | Or perhaps the security.debian.org pool doesn't include the separate changelog files. |
| 20:46.02 | mrrhq | Lol, the bot. |
| 20:46.11 | mrrhq | Why even name it that? |
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| 20:47.32 | mrrhq | Yeah, Debian Security mailing list is your best bet for looking up security updates. |
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| 20:48.58 | TomTomTosch | well, the changelog exists. http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/l/linux/linux_3.16.36-1+deb8u2_changelog not sure why apt-get source gets it wrong. |
| 20:49.01 | hanshenrik | know any desktop .desktop generators? something that makes it easy to make a .desktop file on the desktop? without going to google to find https://linuxcritic.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/anatomy-of-a-desktop-file/ and then make 1 manually? (or some version of that) |
| 20:49.33 | greycat | apt-get changelog is trying to fetch http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/updates/main/l/linux/linux_3.16.36-1+deb8u2/changelog which is not on metadata.ftp-master.debian.org |
| 20:49.45 | hanshenrik | greycat, apt-get update; apt-get changelog |
| 20:50.03 | hanshenrik | usually means you haven't updated since the versions changed |
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| 20:50.12 | teraflops | hanshenrik: pick an existing one and edit to your liking... |
| 20:51.10 | greycat | hanshenrik: no change. But I did get a new tzdata and tzdata-java. And why the hell does tzdata-java even exist.... |
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| 20:53.43 | jhutchins | hanshenrik: RIght click on most desktops will give you a "new" menu where you can create something like a "shortcut" that will effectively write one for you. |
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| 20:54.07 | TomTomTosch | greycat: that should forward to http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org and it does if you remove updates/ i guess it's a bug in apt. |
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| 21:03.43 | hanshenrik | jhutchins, yeah thanks (it was called "Create Launcher", the other 1 called Create Link literally made a symlink ) |
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| 21:09.01 | Mahksy | heyhey, this the help channel? |
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| 21:09.33 | edi | jes |
| 21:11.02 | Mahksy | wonderful! i have a problem with my debain machine, connected it to a scsi HP surestore drive and it apparently tries to boot from tape |
| 21:11.23 | Mahksy | any idea how to disable devices in gruib or something? |
| 21:13.43 | greycat | Choosing which device to boot from is a function of your firmware (BIOS/UEFI), before you even get to GRUB. |
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| 21:16.15 | edi | indeed go into bios and set boot order, or push f7 or so (depending on the machine) to pick boot device on boottime |
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| 21:17.43 | Mahksy | doesnt appear there |
| 21:17.54 | Mahksy | and if i rescan scsi devices , it freezes |
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| 21:20.49 | edi | can you get to bios? |
| 21:21.03 | Mahksy | yep |
| 21:21.14 | edi | boot order ? |
| 21:21.32 | edi | could be hidden in some submenu |
| 21:21.38 | edi | but if it's not in bios i don't know |
| 21:22.05 | edi | your debian install boots from the scsi disk? or that's external storga? |
| 21:22.08 | edi | storage* |
| 21:23.00 | Mahksy | internal sata disk |
| 21:23.09 | Mahksy | and extrenal tape |
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| 21:29.34 | edi | so, found the boot order option? |
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| 21:39.17 | chachasmooth | what does the -sa flag for dpkg-buildpackage do? |
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| 21:40.34 | pingfloyd | chachasmooth: see man dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 21:41.15 | jelly | that will mostly just say to > Passed unchanged to dpkg-genchanges. See its manual page. |
| 21:41.18 | chachasmooth | yea thank you, already tried that |
| 21:41.35 | chachasmooth | it doesn't say anything for "-sa" |
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| 21:41.52 | pingfloyd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:42.53 | jelly | chachasmooth: it lists a number of options and then a single sentence referencing dpkg-genchanges, as quoted above |
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| 21:43.56 | jelly | chachasmooth: the dpkg-buildpackage(1) man page in jessie and stretch does that, which debian release do you have? |
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| 21:44.13 | chachasmooth | ahh now I see it. oops. I'm so sorry |
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| 21:47.48 | ryouma | mrrhq: regular jessie, but i installed a backport kernel a while back to try to fix something, and it's partly "not updated" in aptitude (which i think means i should have dist-upgraded or something if i really wanted the backport kernel). i am running stable kernel now but for a while i ran the slightly older 4.5+73~bpo8+1 so wonder if it was vulnerable to dirtycow |
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| 21:54.33 | pingfloyd | ryouma: if packages are being kept back, then yeah, you want to run dist-upgrade |
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| 21:55.51 | ryouma | pingfloyd: i figured, however, that doing dist-upgrade would get me non-stable versions of various packages i do not understand that are required by kernels, and i didn't want to take the risk |
| 21:55.59 | pingfloyd | no |
| 21:56.00 | ryouma | thanks for the confirmation |
| 21:56.09 | pingfloyd | it will stay with stable, unless you change your sources.list |
| 21:56.19 | pranith__ | can someone share a link to LWN's article: 'Debian's "global" package visits the Technical Committee' |
| 21:56.29 | pingfloyd | it's always going to draw from whatever is in there or under sources.list.d/ |
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| 21:56.53 | ryouma | pingfloyd: aptitude says "The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 : Depends: linux-base (>= 4.3~) but 3.5 is installed." |
| 21:57.03 | ryouma | pingfloyd: when i do dist-upgrade |
| 21:57.23 | pingfloyd | is the met dependency in backports? |
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| 21:57.48 | pingfloyd | try installing the linux-base in backports for that |
| 21:58.09 | pingfloyd | by default, you have to be rather explicit to pull from backports |
| 21:58.12 | ryouma | pingfloyd: and that's not unsafe? |
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| 21:58.33 | pingfloyd | that's like asking how safe backports is |
| 21:58.40 | ryouma | i fear i might have made myself vulnerable to dirtycow by being safe here :/ |
| 21:58.42 | pingfloyd | but it's a necessity in your case |
| 21:58.48 | pingfloyd | if you want to keep that linux-image |
| 21:58.53 | pingfloyd | that version of it |
| 21:58.53 | ryouma | (for a short while) |
| 21:59.13 | ryouma | maybe i will purge it, as it seems i can run the regular kernel |
| 21:59.23 | ryouma | (running it now) |
| 21:59.29 | pingfloyd | I can't remember, as I use apt-get, but there is likely an preference to change that behavior |
| 22:00.04 | ryouma | which behavior? |
| 22:00.15 | pingfloyd | but it's a good behavior for it require explicit selection for backports since the goal should be only packages from backports where necessary |
| 22:00.55 | ryouma | yeah, i'm ok with that, as long as i understand what it is doing (just no clue if running a backports linux-base, when backports kernel isn't even the same major version as regular kernel, is wise) |
| 22:00.57 | pingfloyd | backports aren't exactly the same level of rigorous testing as official stable packages |
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| 22:01.33 | ryouma | i figured linux-base could be incompatible. anyuway i get that you are saying i have to do -t backports or some similar option. |
| 22:01.41 | pingfloyd | hence why they should be used on a required basis where possible |
| 22:01.41 | ryouma | (or purge) |
| 22:02.16 | pingfloyd | I don't use aptitude much, but I think there is a way to direct it to include that needed version in its resolution |
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| 22:02.53 | ryouma | yeah, still sounds risky. my concern about purging is that my carefully-constructed-with-chroot backup partition might get screwed up by grub if i purge the backports kernel. i'm superstitious about such things having encountered apparent bugs. |
| 22:03.25 | pingfloyd | if you're feeling iffy, it's not a bad idea to take note the time and date (for log reference) of the change in case you need to go a different route later. |
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| 22:06.00 | pingfloyd | also, before committing to that, check out --log-level flag for aptitude |
| 22:06.14 | pingfloyd | since you're concerned, you might want to make it more verbose this time than normal |
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| 22:09.07 | ryouma | interesting. --log-level=info. or i could use apt-get. |
| 22:09.38 | ryouma | pingfloyd: however, the issue i am most concerned about is being able to boot at all. live distros really do not do it for me for accessibility reasons. hence my second partition, and hence my overwhelming fear of debian's debconf/grub/initramfs fanciness. this has been a problem before, and i have no indication that debian has gotten safer in this regard. |
| 22:10.01 | ryouma | the fanciness gets in the way of my backup partition really being intact |
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| 22:12.13 | mrrhq | Murphy's law. |
| 22:12.21 | mrrhq | But still, stable is your best bet for stability. |
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| 22:14.47 | ryouma | what would i do to find out whether 4.5+73~bpo8+1 was vuln? |
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| 22:17.16 | mrrhq | This looks like a Distro-agnostic way: https://www.redpacketsecurity.com/testing-dirty-cow-cve-2016-5195/ |
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| 22:17.30 | mrrhq | What's sad is that Android phones are also affected, I think. |
| 22:17.45 | Mahksy | well good night |
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| 22:27.49 | ryouma | mrrhq: that (testing the vuln) looks like a great way if (1) i rebooted to the possibly vulnerable kernel and (2) i trusted it. so if possible i would prefer to know whether a given debian backports kernel version is or is not vulnerable /a priori/ from some list someplace or some changelog. |
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| 22:33.27 | mrrhq | Yeah, the testing program is open-source, but it is third-party from Debian, so it's at your own risk. ;) |
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| 22:37.05 | TomTomTosch | ryouma: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-5195 |
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| 22:37.29 | TomTomTosch | ryouma: fixed in 4.7.8-1 so is 4.5+73~bpo8+1 vulnerable? - yes. |
| 22:37.41 | n4dir | I never fully understand it, but apt-listbugs gives infos too |
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| 22:38.47 | ryouma | TomTomTosch: great, thanks, that looks fairly definitive |
| 22:38.52 | kals | hello |
| 22:39.55 | kals | I'm trying to set up a logical device with a linear mapping. |
| 22:40.17 | kals | But I when using dmsetup I keep getting this error: |
| 22:40.23 | kals | device-mapper: resume ioctl on wraparound failed: Invalid argument Command failed |
| 22:40.34 | kals | but when I* lol |
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| 22:44.15 | pingfloyd | ryouma: problems booting is always a potential issue. Always want a contingency for that. It should be a pretty rare issue though. |
| 22:44.37 | pingfloyd | especially rare in debian stable |
| 22:47.11 | ryouma | pingfloyd: it was a huge issue for me. i thought i could just fairly straightforwardly create a stable, updated, trustworthy backup drive to boot from, even using chroot. so i still do not trust it. i run stable. |
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| 22:50.03 | mrrhq | it is a really good idea to have a live CD/USB of Debian anyway, even just to be able to use it to install it on another computer. There's so many uses for live Linux than just repair. |
| 22:50.28 | mrrhq | You can even make custom live images for Debian. That's a huge feature for me. |
| 22:50.39 | mrrhq | I can choose what software I want. |
| 22:50.48 | kals | nevermind. Apparently the actual error showed up using dmesg |
| 22:51.44 | Fluggs | debian has an install option to use mount points for /home, /var etc, right? |
| 22:51.57 | Fluggs | not sure atm, it's been a while |
| 22:52.52 | Fluggs | If so: how is that implemented? Is ist just entries in the fstab to mount the partition which is to be home at /home/user or is it more sophisticated? |
| 22:53.05 | n4dir | Fluggs: last time i used the installer: Yes, it has options |
| 22:53.18 | n4dir | regarding mount points |
| 22:53.49 | n4dir | sure, after installation you will have the according fstab entries. |
| 22:53.57 | mrrhq | Fluggs: I don't know about installing it in a non-standerd way, but Debian is known for pretty much the whole chroot thing since the early 1990's, so you can make a chroot, and install your system there. |
| 22:54.17 | Fluggs | I have seen things as /dev/mapper/archlinux-home in arch |
| 22:54.18 | mrrhq | I mean debootstrap, but also chrooting. |
| 22:54.46 | Fluggs | nah, it's about raspbian |
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| 22:55.23 | Fluggs | i want to do have a home partition on my raspberry pi, so I wanted to know how different distros implement that feature |
| 22:55.43 | mrrhq | /dev/mapper is just LVM2, so I guess you could edit fstab to point to those, for sure. |
| 22:55.44 | Fluggs | since Raspbian is just an image |
| 22:55.53 | Fluggs | ah, LVM, that makes sense |
| 22:56.13 | Fluggs | I was asking a friend, he showed me his fstab |
| 22:56.15 | Fluggs | but he uses LVM |
| 22:56.31 | mrrhq | I prefer BTRFS subvolumes over LVM. :p |
| 22:56.35 | mrrhq | Ahahaha. |
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| 22:57.05 | mrrhq | But it's great if you have more than one drive. |
| 22:57.38 | TomTomTosch | /dev/mapper/ is not only for LVM. and for raspbian you should ask the right channel. |
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| 22:57.44 | TomTomTosch | !raspbian |
| 22:57.45 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 22:57.55 | Fluggs | yes, I know that raspbian != debian |
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| 22:58.14 | Fluggs | but I was interested in how debian does it |
| 22:59.04 | mrrhq | Basically the same way Raspbian would, for the most part. |
| 22:59.22 | mrrhq | The only reason I see Raspbian existing it for hard-float support on its ARM chip. |
| 22:59.27 | mrrhq | *is |
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| 22:59.40 | Fluggs | raspbian doesn't have that option, since they don't even have an installation routine |
| 23:00.15 | Fluggs | and you can get wolfram with raspbian |
| 23:00.46 | mrrhq | Raspbian is basically just a debian debootstrap, the DTS, custom kernel, etc.. is all on the FAT32 boot directory. |
| 23:01.26 | mrrhq | Maybe it also has the firmware/drivers, I dunno. |
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| 23:50.31 | backnforth | Hi, I have Debian in a VM and I got an error sending me to emergency mode.. how should I go about fixing this? |
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| 23:56.03 | ksk | backnforth: you mean right after grub? |
| 23:56.05 | ksk | !fix_mbr |
| 23:56.15 | ksk | !tell backnforth about fix_mbr |
| 23:56.17 | jelly | backnforth: which error? |
| 23:56.30 | backnforth | Yes |
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| 23:57.08 | ksk | but yes, the detailed error message would be helpful, I was probably assuming too much :> |
| 23:57.54 | backnforth | How should I provide such a detailed error? |
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