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| 00:27.27 | zh1 | every time i reboot my time and date goes back few months even runned dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, debian 8.6 32bits |
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| 00:27.49 | zh1 | machine is full updated |
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| 00:28.58 | zh1 | weird |
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| 00:38.42 | petn-randall | zh1: tzdata only sets the timezone. Your BIOS clock should keep track of the current time and date. You should check the BIOS battery. If you want to keep it up-to-date when the server is up, install something like ntpd or chrony to update your clock with time servers. |
| 00:40.13 | zh1 | petn-randall, makes bit sense, but since this is a laptop battery check is hard now |
| 00:40.53 | zh1 | petn-randall, by what i remember i dont switch battery in 10 years |
| 00:41.21 | somiaj | zh1: note there is a difference between the cmos battery and laptop batery. |
| 00:42.18 | zh1 | somiaj, sorry i meant cmos |
| 00:42.21 | somiaj | also if none of your other firmware (bios/efi) settings are changing it could be just bad drift on your clock. Might not be anything you can do except maybe keep it in sync with ntpd though I think there are some things to do for laptops that aren't always on line |
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| 00:42.53 | somiaj | those hardware clocks go bad, a few months bad I haven't not ran into. |
| 00:43.23 | cra1g321 | i'm not sure for debian, but i think timedatectl is what is used now for system clock stuff |
| 00:43.56 | zh1 | somiaj, since i dont use the laptop in a while maybe 6month maybe i forgot something here on install |
| 00:44.26 | somiaj | zh1: oh so this drift happens over say 6 months? Could just be a bad hardware clock that you just have to deal with the drift. |
| 00:44.44 | somiaj | zh1: cmos baterys don't cost to much if you wanted to try a new one, but I would assume other settings would be forgotten if the cmos batery was bad. |
| 00:44.45 | cra1g321 | zh1 what does timedatectl status output ? |
| 00:44.48 | zh1 | somiaj, gonna check a few things here first |
| 00:46.12 | somiaj | cra1g321: this seems more like a hardware drift issue over a settings issue though. |
| 00:46.23 | zh1 | cra1g321, i have now correct time and date on timedatectl, but was doing this after i reboot or poweroff and on |
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| 00:47.17 | zh1 | somiaj, any way i can test battery without tear down the laptop? |
| 00:47.43 | cra1g321 | ah i must of missed a few lines |
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| 00:48.29 | zh1 | somiaj, this laptop is a pain to disassemble i always take around 6 hours to do it, and in the end goes to toshiba store |
| 00:49.38 | somiaj | zh1: there are ways to just keep your clock synced and deal with the drift. |
| 00:50.11 | zh1 | somiaj, cra1g321 petn-randall gonna reboot and see if this is fixed |
| 00:50.16 | zh1 | brb |
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| 00:57.22 | azelisk | does it matter where i install GRUB to when setting up a dual boot? |
| 00:59.26 | ranix | the answer 'no' is technically correct but practically incorrect, azelisk |
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| 00:59.44 | azelisk | ok senator |
| 00:59.51 | azelisk | could you explain that please |
| 01:00.09 | ranix | it depends on how you want to dual-boot exactly |
| 01:00.18 | azelisk | between two linux distros |
| 01:00.28 | zh1 | petn-randall, running timedatectl i get ntp off |
| 01:00.38 | azelisk | that are stored on different partitons of the same HD |
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| 01:00.59 | ranix | azelisk: then you probably want to install grub to the mbr of the hard disk that houses both OSes |
| 01:01.09 | azelisk | so for example |
| 01:01.11 | ranix | it will probably figure everything out by itself |
| 01:01.21 | azelisk | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.23 | zh1 | somiaj, this aint syncing for some reason, it always go to sat may 2016 and maybe that date is last time i used pc |
| 01:01.34 | cra1g321 | you're HDD should named something like /dev/sda and the partitions will be like /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2, so install to /dev/sda |
| 01:01.39 | cra1g321 | your* |
| 01:02.23 | cra1g321 | and the step of the installer if i recall correctly, it should only list drives not partitions |
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| 01:02.52 | zh1 | petn-randall, i mean "NTP synchronized: no" |
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| 01:03.14 | cra1g321 | zh1, if you want to enable it, do timedatectl set-ntp true |
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| 01:04.55 | zh1 | cra1g321, even with that command it stays "NTP syncronized no" |
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| 01:06.46 | cra1g321 | i have it enabled on my arch install ,adn just did timedatectl set-ntp false and timedatectl still says its enabled, so thats weird that it doesnt show the change right away |
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| 01:07.28 | missmbob | weird. never noticed |
| 01:07.33 | cra1g321 | i'm assuming it maybe doesnt take affect until reboot |
| 01:07.35 | zh1 | somiaj, cra1g321 on doing a hwclock in terminal i get "Sat 01 Jul 2006 03:16:04 AM WEST -0.375680 seconds" |
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| 01:08.11 | zh1 | this laptop today is nuts |
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| 01:08.29 | zh1 | just on time and date |
| 01:10.28 | somiaj | zh1: it could be bad cmos battery, that looks a lot like it may have reset the time. |
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| 01:13.37 | zh1 | somiaj, everything points to that, and i never have changed it. this laptop only went once to toshiba support, cause after i tear it apart 7 times strait i could not fit something, and sizes of crews made a belly in a cover |
| 01:14.15 | somiaj | zh1: usually the batery is easy to get to. remove a few screws from a pannel on the bottom and open it to see the batery, then replace. |
| 01:14.42 | somiaj | most have 2-3 panels, on my toshiba it was in the panel that included access to the ram |
| 01:16.12 | zh1 | somiaj, i have no problem changing the battery myself, but i prefer toshiba does it i hate opening this laptop |
| 01:17.35 | zh1 | somiaj, i hope its not the damn cmos battery but i think it has never been changed in 10 years unless some technician done, i only once sended the pc to clean dust inside |
| 01:18.36 | somiaj | zh1: up to you. the panels are fairly safe to remove and see if you have access. |
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| 01:18.48 | somiaj | many new laptops just have a latch/switch to make access even easier |
| 01:20.34 | missmbob | zh1: oh now the 2006 date makes sense. you got it ten years ago. probably build date of the firmware |
| 01:20.36 | zh1 | somiaj, i thought battery was just coin size, http://www.genuine-cmos-battery.co.uk/crtbattery/toshiba.jpg |
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| 01:21.25 | somiaj | zh1: depends on the laptop. Some make them more fancy than they need to be. Do you have the exact model of your toshiba? |
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| 01:50.58 | OldParr | is anything in debian for connecting with whatsapp users ? |
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| 01:52.07 | missmbob | web.whatsweb.com |
| 01:52.19 | missmbob | web.whatsapp.com i meant |
| 01:53.08 | OldParr | missmbob: thanks |
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| 01:55.34 | ircclcv2 | what is the meaning of jargonic ? |
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| 01:55.59 | ranix | ircclcv2: of or relating to jargon |
| 01:56.36 | ranix | alternately, of or relating to the Jargon |
| 01:56.39 | ranix | http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/ |
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| 03:03.44 | Akuw | i am getting this "HAXM requires a Genuine Intel processor" |
| 03:03.48 | aZz7eCh | doing my head in ~ google not solving it fast enough for me ... i can write mp3's to a cd, and in nautilus tell it to leave the disc open so i can add files later - nautilus burns the cd great ... but when i come back with it later ... nautilus treats me like i closed the disc ... no option to continue adding files ... any tips ? |
| 03:06.51 | aZz7eCh | jessie 8 stable gnome 3 btw |
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| 03:08.20 | somiaj | hmm, I'm not familar with that option, but don't you need special cds for that? |
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| 03:09.20 | aZz7eCh | ? no |
| 03:09.52 | aZz7eCh | pretty normal practice with a cd. if you burn any type of cd and 'finalize' it, nothing can be added. leave it open, you can continue filling it till full over time. |
| 03:10.25 | somiaj | I thought you had to use special cds for that, but I haven't used cds in about 10 years |
| 03:10.30 | somiaj | so my knowledge could be outdated |
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| 03:15.36 | aZz7eCh | you're thinking of rewritable cds and dvds |
| 03:15.46 | aZz7eCh | no... not talking about rewritable media. |
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| 03:20.55 | somiaj | aZz7eCh: yea not familar with multi-session stuff. Seems nautilus old cd never supported it |
| 03:20.59 | somiaj | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120384 |
| 03:21.12 | somiaj | do you have Brasero installed so you are really using that? |
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| 03:22.11 | aZz7eCh | yea nautilus integrates brasero functions |
| 03:22.28 | missmbob | that's kind of a sad bug report |
| 03:22.43 | aZz7eCh | nautilus/brasero, take your pick, they both refuse to continue an open cd |
| 03:23.29 | missmbob | aZz7eCh: read the bug report he just pasted. wontfix |
| 03:24.21 | somiaj | that isn't the issue |
| 03:24.31 | aZz7eCh | i have just read through it ... and for the first time in 2 years using debian .... im ... slightly disgusted |
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| 03:24.46 | somiaj | nautilus now uses brasero, I was just misslead and looking for info about nautiluus |
| 03:25.08 | somiaj | anyways I just found a form that multisession just doesn't work with some hardware. Has it ever worked with this paticular cdrw? |
| 03:25.53 | aZz7eCh | works fine on our windows machines. they can continue the multisession that i have left open, using brasero option to leave it open, here in debian. |
| 03:26.04 | somiaj | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1586517 is a form talking about problems, and the solution "Brasero started writing after installation of a new dvd writer - asus." |
| 03:26.37 | somiaj | it isn't that the drive is bad, it is that brasero is buggy with it. Therer are some other suggestions in that thread, but it sound slike you have tried turing on the right options |
| 03:26.37 | aZz7eCh | so why the hell include the ability to leave it open ... if theres no support to continue a disc thats still open |
| 03:26.57 | somiaj | it just that it doesn't work for all drives. You may just have one the version in jessie doesn't work with |
| 03:27.14 | somiaj | ,v brasero |
| 03:27.15 | judd | Package: brasero on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.1-4; jessie: 3.11.4-1.1; sid: 3.12.1-4; stretch: 3.12.1-4 |
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| 03:28.09 | somiaj | one person said that this got it to work, I turned on DAO in Edit > Modules > growisofs > settings. |
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| 03:28.27 | aZz7eCh | you reading that in the same link ? |
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| 03:28.54 | somiaj | I don't know the software enough to know more than what I'm finding in google. But it does sound like the issue is with brasero, and it could be just it doesn't work with your drive. |
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| 03:30.41 | somiaj | http://askubuntu.com/questions/28044/why-is-it-not-possible-to-burn-a-multisession-dvd-using-brasero is another post that says make sure you have DAO turned on |
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| 03:33.22 | aZz7eCh | hmm |
| 03:33.35 | aZz7eCh | turned it on ~ will have a fiddle and see (FINGERS CROSSED) |
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| 03:38.33 | aZz7eCh | l0ord... lol... has made it worse. failed to leave the disc open at alll so another new disc ruined off the bat |
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| 03:39.08 | somiaj | it might just be something strange with your hardware. I've seen it mentioned in multiple places. But no way to test unless you have other hardware |
| 03:39.17 | aZz7eCh | such a simple damn thing to be doing ... its like not being bothered upkeep 3 lines of code to make a floppy drive work cos its not 1990 anymore |
| 03:39.35 | aZz7eCh | sad. |
| 03:39.38 | somiaj | "Lastly it also depends on the DVD Recorder you are using. Some models have been known to create this problem. Changing the unit helped." |
| 03:39.40 | aZz7eCh | oh well ... thanks for suggestions. |
| 03:40.38 | somiaj | anyways, just reporting what I found. Sounds like you have selected all the right settings. Unfonrtally crappy hardware can still work in windows since the manufacture provides fixes for windows |
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| 03:42.54 | vvuja | anyone from USA here |
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| 03:43.24 | aZz7eCh | and from what i see... the number of drives that "dont" work with brasero and multisession ...seems to be just about all of them. ... ... |
| 03:43.37 | aZz7eCh | which would explain the original "WONTFIX" |
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| 03:48.35 | somiaj | vvuja: do you have a question about debian? There are people here from the usa, but that may not be the question you wanted to ask. |
| 03:49.12 | vvuja | no I need someone from usa on private |
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| 03:49.19 | vvuja | I have friend in USA that need something |
| 03:49.24 | vvuja | not related to debian |
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| 03:50.20 | aZz7eCh | o0 lol |
| 03:50.30 | somiaj | vvuja: this isn't the place for that. Maybe #freenode |
| 03:50.38 | aZz7eCh | he's going to tell them to not let trump win |
| 03:51.45 | RoyK | I guess you'll need to pray to a particular crowd of gods to make a change there |
| 03:52.07 | vvuja | ok thanks |
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| 03:52.32 | RoyK | or #debian-offtopic |
| 03:52.41 | RoyK | where nothing is on-topic :D |
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| 04:44.25 | simbalion` | Is it possible to install a 32bit copy of libportaudio.so.2 in a 64bit jessie system? |
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| 04:50.48 | themill | simbalion`: yes, you install the :i386 package |
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| 04:52.36 | simbalion` | themill: which package? I couldn't find one |
| 04:53.11 | simbalion` | ah, libportaudio2:i386, I bet thats it |
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| 05:57.21 | jak2000 | a osticket channel related? |
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| 06:07.53 | xormor | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.57 | ambient | Hi, I have 64bit Debian with AMD architecture and graphocs card. I was looking at an old 90'd era game that I wanted to try via wine. the installer advices I use a 32 bit compatability layer, but now wants to pull in loads of other libraries for audio. I do audio/video production, among other things and am worried about switching from 64 to 32 bit libraries. |
| 06:09.40 | ambient | It says, "the following extra packages will be installed" I don't mind getting extra as long as I am not lowering the software quality of anything. Ignorant comment, I know. What do you think? |
| 06:10.07 | ambient | I am getting about 200 to 300 megabutes xtra, for trying to run a game... |
| 06:10.14 | RoyK | ambient: 90s? is it DOS? |
| 06:11.05 | ambient | RoyK, Yeah, I was reading about a sci fi writer named Project itoh. I read his books and picked up a copy of Metal Gear Solid, his first book. It's awful, but am still fascinated by the writer |
| 06:11.18 | ambient | The otehr books are great though |
| 06:11.24 | RoyK | ambient: if it's DOS, see dosbox |
| 06:11.49 | RoyK | likes the day of the tentacle :D |
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| 06:12.20 | ambient | RoyK, okay. But do you think a compatability layer will give me more good stuff or lower the quality of my softwar? |
| 06:12.22 | RoyK | pretty horrible to play with 640x480 on a large monitor, though - well - those were the days :D |
| 06:12.33 | RoyK | ambient: just try dosbox |
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| 06:12.49 | RoyK | ambient: most games at that time was written for dos, not windows |
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| 06:13.13 | RoyK | ambient: directx came around a lot later |
| 06:13.17 | jak2000 | !dpkg |
| 06:13.17 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 06:13.25 | jak2000 | !dpkg sources.list |
| 06:13.25 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 06:14.03 | RoyK | jak2000: ? |
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| 06:15.44 | ambient | RoyK, Sure, I will look into dosbox, but have a look see here: http://paste.debian.net/891282/ |
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| 06:17.28 | RoyK | ambient: well, 250MB isn't a whole lot |
| 06:17.50 | RoyK | ambient: is this really i386? most things are x64 now... |
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| 06:18.02 | ambient | RoyK, I don't care about file size, I am concerned with potential downgrade. I am 64 bit |
| 06:18.40 | RoyK | doesn't matter - you can uninstall those packages later |
| 06:19.45 | ambient | RoyK, are multilibs just added compatability, so I get extra goodies, or a lowering of performance? (I am never clear on that) |
| 06:20.16 | ambient | RoyK, Mind you, audio production does not need crazy performance |
| 06:20.22 | ambient | But video does |
| 06:20.57 | RoyK | you won't get conflicts if you're on a stable release |
| 06:21.14 | mrrhq | multi-lib doesn't really impact performance at all. All 64-bit x86 processors are compatible with 32-bit binaries. |
| 06:21.26 | RoyK | mixing unstable/testing and stable will make your day a sad day |
| 06:21.30 | RoyK | !sns |
| 06:21.30 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 06:21.54 | ambient | heh |
| 06:22.18 | mrrhq | Or become a Sid user like me and suffer even more, muhaha. |
| 06:22.25 | RoyK | !sid |
| 06:22.25 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 06:23.59 | RoyK | goes to make a laser harp |
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| 06:32.24 | jak2000 | RoyK any advice? |
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| 06:34.22 | jak2000 | wich is bad: http://imgur.com/a/LPH06 ? |
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| 06:37.07 | unborn | jak2000: it works on my end.. but I am debian.. |
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| 06:37.24 | jak2000 | mmm |
| 06:37.34 | jak2000 | its ubuntu :( |
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| 07:04.24 | JyZyXEL | its supposed to be the default option and it fails to work and all pastes are made public |
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| 07:47.09 | Ast001 | hi how can I prevent Debian from automatically making directories with some sort of time as name like this 12:29:52 or 12:55:24 ? I think that started when I started to use ramdisk on it. |
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| 07:49.47 | RoyK | Ast001: AFAIK debian doesn't do that - can you elaborate, please? |
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| 07:53.26 | eviltoaster | Can answers from traceroute alternate between udp and tcp or does it will use udp if i tell it to? |
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| 07:55.24 | mik | -.- |
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| 08:01.03 | KindOne | It possible to keep the harddrive in read-only mode, but mount flash drives with read/write? I'm getting "Error creating mount point `/media/user/16gb-orange': Read-only file system.". |
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| 08:01.59 | SwedeMike | KindOne: it's probably because it can't create the directory to mount the flash drive in. So if you manually mount the flash drive to an existing directory, you can mount it read/write |
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| 08:19.44 | Ironhand | hello, does anyone know of a "nice" solution to manage static routes? I've only ever seen the 'up ip route add' in /etc/network/interfaces solution, but it feels a bit hackish and it looks chaotic for large lists of routes |
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| 08:22.46 | bhuddah | Ironhand: can you describe your use case? how do you end up with large lists of static routes? |
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| 08:23.47 | Ast001 | RoyK every day I found some directories names like date like '10:28:12" etc... and I delete in manualy. That started when I started to use ramdisk so I think it is connected somehow. |
| 08:23.48 | Ironhand | bhuddah: load balancer servicing many vlans, customers with custom routes, etc |
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| 08:24.28 | Ironhand | bhuddah: we do use configuration management (Ansible) so it's manageable, but it's difficult to ensure actual routing tables match the config file |
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| 08:25.41 | bhuddah | Ironhand: have you looked into using quagga for routing / config? |
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| 08:28.21 | Ironhand | bhuddah: I'm somewhat familiar with it, but I mostly associate it with dynamic routes rather than static ones; also not really eager to run an extra service daemon |
| 08:28.50 | Ironhand | bhuddah: I quite like the approach that ferm ( http://ferm.foo-projects.org/ ) takes, but that's firewall rules only, not routes |
| 08:29.06 | bhuddah | Ironhand: it would enable you to use the usual "router" way of configuring routes though. you know what i mean... |
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| 08:29.53 | Ironhand | bhuddah: that's true, guess that would make it worth giving it a try |
| 08:30.43 | Ironhand | bhuddah: thanks for the suggestion |
| 08:30.46 | bhuddah | Ironhand: good luck :) |
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| 09:32.20 | plop6 | hi |
| 09:33.06 | Bonn333 | plop6: hi |
| 09:34.02 | plop6 | which package contain all keymap file ? when using localctl list-keymaps got Could'nt find any console keymaps ( running sid from minimal debootstrap install ) |
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| 09:42.13 | Axton | I can get all filenames found by find into a file with "find . -name 'my_file' >> namefile.txt" |
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| 09:42.40 | Axton | But how can i add a newline to every file output by find, before I add it to namefile.txt? |
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| 09:48.07 | Hestben | Axton: my find does append a newline |
| 09:48.17 | Hestben | Axton: Do you want two newlines? |
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| 09:53.52 | _abc_ | Hello. Is lxc an option on debian? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Linux_Containers |
| 09:54.09 | OpenTokix | _abc_: yes you can use lxc if you want to, not overly complicated. |
| 09:54.09 | _abc_ | It is! |
| 09:54.33 | _abc_ | Are there other options too? I need a type of container where proprietary X11 apps can run with their libs. |
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| 09:54.55 | OpenTokix | _abc_: You can do that with docker, I run a firefox in a docker container. |
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| 09:55.09 | _abc_ | ssh -Y into a container or vm on the same machine is too gross. I need something between LD_PRELOAD* and a full vm |
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| 09:55.17 | _abc_ | OpenTokix: how hard was it to set up? |
| 09:55.29 | _abc_ | And on what release of debian did you do it? |
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| 09:55.50 | OpenTokix | _abc_: not hard at all |
| 09:55.54 | OpenTokix | _abc_: jessie |
| 09:56.31 | _abc_ | So no special trics needed? Also, are you on systemd or non systemd? |
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| 09:57.24 | OpenTokix | _abc_: systemd or not does not matter. Its just that you export a display socket for the docker container to use. |
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| 09:58.43 | _abc_ | Ok, so unrelated to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lxc-systemd right? |
| 09:58.57 | _abc_ | I mean https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-nspawn |
| 09:59.07 | _abc_ | okay I got it, was just browsing options and that came up 1st |
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| 10:01.51 | OpenTokix | _abc_: docker run -ti --rm -e DISPLAY=$DISPLAY -v /tmp/.X11-unix:/tmp/.X11-unix |
| 10:01.55 | OpenTokix | this is the command I use |
| 10:02.00 | _abc_ | nice |
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| 10:02.22 | _abc_ | Wait, where is the container specified? In the config? |
| 10:02.42 | OpenTokix | After I do the voluem |
| 10:02.43 | _abc_ | Strange how the much hated Windows SXS is coming back to haunt linux. |
| 10:02.53 | _abc_ | OpenTokix: hm? |
| 10:03.03 | Axton | Hestben: I found out that there was a newline, but I openen the file on windows, and the newline on windows is different... DUH! |
| 10:03.17 | Axton | Hestben: But thx for helping.! |
| 10:03.19 | OpenTokix | _abc_: docker run -ti --rm -e DISPLAY=$DISPLAY -v /tmp/.X11-unix:/tmp/.X11-unix firefox-sandbox |
| 10:03.23 | Hestben | Axton: ah, that old error. |
| 10:03.27 | OpenTokix | _abc_: this would run your container |
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| 10:04.04 | Hestben | Axton: there are the tools "dos2unix" and "unix2dos" to convert files |
| 10:04.20 | Axton | Hestben: now, thats cool. Thx ;-) |
| 10:04.58 | OpenTokix | _abc_: you might also need to change your permissions on X-server with xhost |
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| 10:06.46 | momomo | hi |
| 10:07.30 | plop6 | which package contain all keymap file ? when using localctl list-keymaps got Could'nt find any console keymaps ( running sid from minimal debootstrap install ) |
| 10:07.36 | OpenTokix | _abc_: xhost +SI:localuser:root before you can access your xserver running as normal user, from docker. |
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| 10:10.03 | mimimi_ | anyone knows if the installer of debian allows you to directly encrypt the entire hard drive ? |
| 10:10.09 | mimimi_ | to install debian on top |
| 10:10.49 | mimimi_ | i am installing linux mint lmde and it doesnt seem to offer encryption .. so i seem to have to install debian first and then mint |
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| 10:13.54 | mimimi_ | anyone? |
| 10:14.02 | Hestben | mimimi_: I have done it once |
| 10:14.20 | Hestben | mimimi_: with Debian wheezy, iirc |
| 10:14.26 | Hestben | mimimi_: it should be possible |
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| 10:14.39 | mimimi_ | Hestben: using mint or debian ? |
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| 10:15.02 | Hestben | mimimi_: using debian should work |
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| 10:15.20 | Hestben | mimimi_: regarding mint, maybe there is a channel called #mint that might now |
| 10:15.33 | mimimi_ | Hestben: no people on it |
| 10:15.52 | OpenTokix | mimimi_: yes you can, but /boot is unencrypted, root with passphrase and rest with key - + swap generated at boottime |
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| 10:16.14 | mimimi_ | OpenTokix: again, on mint installer? |
| 10:16.25 | OpenTokix | mimimi_: I dont care about mint |
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| 10:16.46 | mimimi_ | OpenTokix: ook, good to know .. it is using gparted ... wierd that there is no such option |
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| 10:20.16 | Hestben | mimimi_: Apparently, mint is on another network:https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/12 |
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| 10:22.17 | plop6 | look like is default behavier from debian. localectl list-keymaps won't work |
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| 10:22.56 | AL_Kernell | LAST TIME, I SWEAR !!!!!!! |
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| 10:33.55 | dxtr | Hi! I'm running stretch and when I try to start virt-manager I get "Unable to connect to libvirt. authentication unavailable: no polkit agent available to authenticate action 'org.libvirt.unix.manage'" |
| 10:34.12 | dxtr | What have I missed? |
| 10:34.37 | OpenTokix | dxtr: Is libvirt installed, and are you member of the libvirt group? |
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| 10:35.10 | dxtr | No I am not a member of the libvirt group. Will try that! |
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| 10:35.42 | OpenTokix | dxtr: Dont forget to relogin - or start a loginshell where you run virt-manager |
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| 10:42.04 | _abc_ | OpenTokix: thanks for that. |
| 10:42.14 | _abc_ | @docker |
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| 11:05.06 | monsune | hello! would you happen to know why is this happening? ./qemu-nbd: No such file or directory |
| 11:05.14 | monsune | while the file does exist |
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| 11:09.24 | th0r | monsune, just a guess...you are trying to run a script that is not marked executable |
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| 11:09.46 | babilen | monsune: It probably happened because you ran the "./qemu-nbd" command, but that is pure conjecture. What did you do exactly, why do you think that it should work? |
| 11:10.27 | babilen | monsune: There are many reasons why that could have happened and we need more information (actual commands and their output, your PWD, ...). Please use http://paste.debian.net to provide that. |
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| 11:11.36 | monsune | th0r, babilen: i will try to explain - that's a binary file and i need to run it while staying in rescue mode on my dedicated server to be able to access an important .qcow2 disk |
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| 11:12.33 | monsune | i also tried its original location: /disk/usr/bin/qemu-nbd - same problem |
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| 11:13.49 | monsune | i'm trying to run it off a mounted system drive in rescue mode |
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| 11:16.31 | babilen | monsune: Could you still provide the actual command and output? You might want to throw in "ldd /disk/usr/bin/qemu-nbd" -- I guess that you are missing libraries |
| 11:16.51 | monsune | babilen hm so those could be the libs that excutable can't access? |
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| 11:17.08 | monsune | trying ldd |
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| 11:17.27 | monsune | # ldd /disk/usr/bin/qemu-nbd |
| 11:17.27 | monsune | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:18.01 | monsune | # file /disk/usr/bin/qemu-nbd |
| 11:18.25 | monsune | # file /disk/usr/bin/qemu-nbd |
| 11:18.25 | monsune | disk/usr/bin/qemu-nbd: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=896947cdf09dbd2e0947797573655057777e6688, stripped |
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| 11:19.08 | babilen | â lunch |
| 11:19.12 | monsune | isn't it looking for that interpreter then? |
| 11:19.21 | babilen | It would be, yes |
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| 11:19.38 | monsune | many thanks, will try to hack it somehow |
| 11:19.55 | babilen | I guess it'll work if you chroot into the system (or install dependencies outside) |
| 11:21.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can it be dynamically linked, but not a dynamic executable |
| 11:21.42 | monsune | i have no idea... |
| 11:21.57 | monsune | babilen wow... in fact i could chroot my mount |
| 11:22.06 | monsune | this is a great idea |
| 11:22.26 | monsune | i tried to provide it with that interpreter and now: |
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| 11:22.32 | monsune | # ./qemu-nbd |
| 11:22.32 | monsune | ./qemu-nbd: error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 |
| 11:22.36 | monsune | so i will try chroot... |
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| 11:22.56 | monsune | i desperately need to run that binary |
| 11:23.09 | monsune | in somewhat unusual env. |
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| 11:26.07 | monsune | # chroot /disk |
| 11:26.07 | monsune | chroot: failed to run command â/bin/zshâ: No such file or directory |
| 11:26.21 | monsune | zsh does exist in /bin |
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| 11:33.06 | carp_ | Hi, I would like to make a wordpress website. Ive got jessie up and running. Im a beginner. Does anyone have some tips to recommend me? |
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| 11:33.47 | bazhang | why not ask the wordpress channek |
| 11:34.27 | carp_ | bazhang: Yes, I will too. |
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| 11:41.36 | monsune | babilen thank you so much! chrooting helped and i can run the dreded qemu-nbd finally :) |
| 11:41.51 | monsune | hopefully no more issues to solve... |
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| 11:45.32 | monsune | well there are issues... it will never work :( |
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| 12:18.22 | _abc_ | monsune: sounds like you need to discover docker and or similar solutions. |
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| 12:22.44 | monsune | _abc_ all i need is to mount qcow2 image to grab a few files from it |
| 12:23.03 | monsune | while staying in rescue mode on my dedicated |
| 12:23.32 | _abc_ | mount it natively or convert the image |
| 12:25.03 | _abc_ | monsune: oh I see what you mean now. Just searched for your predicament. |
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| 12:25.24 | _abc_ | monsune: you did modprobe nbd? And nbd loaded? |
| 12:26.08 | monsune | well yes i did but then i chrooted to be able to run the binary and i can't even lsmod now |
| 12:26.31 | _abc_ | fyi I make very very sure NONE of my vm's ever use a "native" vm format like qcow2 or that other things from vbox. That way I can always access my files when the vm does not start. |
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| 12:26.41 | _abc_ | loop mounting with offset is very nice. |
| 12:26.54 | monsune | i could swear i used raw... not sure why it's qcow2 there |
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| 12:27.28 | monsune | wish i could just loop mount now |
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| 12:34.43 | monsune | _abc_ would you know of a away to make that qcow2 accessible over network? |
| 12:34.58 | monsune | so i could mount it remotely |
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| 12:47.36 | Agiofws | hey does anyone know any kind of s/w that converts code to flowcharts for linux? |
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| 13:04.20 | francine | When will Debian 9 be released? |
| 13:04.39 | francine | It would be cool if you have any Dates for new Releases instead of "just release it and don't notify" |
| 13:04.41 | francine | o_O |
| 13:05.49 | XeonSquared | francine: when it's ready |
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| 13:06.30 | francine | nice "date" ... time to get rid of debian |
| 13:07.10 | themill | If you'd prefer distributions that are released before they are ready, then you have plenty to choose from. |
| 13:07.20 | themill | !next |
| 13:07.20 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 13:07.51 | francine | !next |
| 13:07.51 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 13:07.54 | francine | no next |
| 13:08.04 | francine | Release Dates would be cool |
| 13:09.56 | tx | francine: some time around feb/march next year |
| 13:10.06 | tx | packages are expected to be fully frozen by feb 2017 |
| 13:10.57 | francine | source? |
| 13:11.15 | tx | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
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| 13:22.55 | petn-randall | francine: Feel free to help fix RC bugs, then it'll happen quicker. |
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| 13:23.50 | petn-randall | tx: I highly doubt that it'll be released in feb/march when the freeze is in feb. |
| 13:24.19 | tx | I am an optimist. :( |
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| 13:29.17 | ADubhlaoich | I've been considering switching to stretch but I've never actually ran a testing distrib |
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| 13:29.56 | ADubhlaoich | Unsure if it has little functional difference or if it'd be similar to my first time trying to set up Arch - "Oh god I don't know what I'm doing or why everything is on fire" |
| 13:30.52 | petn-randall | ADubhlaoich: It only makes sense if you know how to fix smaller problems and when you're willing to be a guinea pig for the next release. There _are_ more bugs, sometimes even showstoppers. |
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| 13:31.22 | petn-randall | ADubhlaoich: As a rule of thumb, if you have to ask the question, the answer is "no" ;) |
| 13:32.02 | glockenspiel | Hi, how can i find out if Xdialog has been removed from debian's packages? T |
| 13:32.33 | tx | https://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xdialog.html |
| 13:32.36 | tx | by going here |
| 13:32.44 | glockenspiel | gracias! |
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| 13:34.38 | glockenspiel | tx: that was very helpful. more info: It sent me to here "https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/xdialog" for the newest info. |
| 13:34.56 | glockenspiel | and they both said the package is gone. |
| 13:35.00 | glockenspiel | weeps |
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| 13:36.46 | redface | Does anyone else remember the good old days of linux? |
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| 13:37.14 | glockenspiel | Linux? Nope, never heard of it. now git! |
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| 13:38.37 | innerand | I've added a module to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules but it is ignored from update-initramfs, any hints? |
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| 13:40.38 | ADubhlaoich | petn-randall: Maybe I'll try a VM or bootable image first, haha |
| 13:41.00 | iKarith | Can anyone recommend a good test (as in mailcap sort of test) for Linux framebuffer? |
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| 13:42.12 | iKarith | Testing for X is easy. Testing for a terminal is easy. But testing for whether or not the console has a framebuffer associated with it? I dunno. |
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| 13:43.40 | _abc_ | monsune: I only know how to make normal fs's network mountable |
| 13:43.48 | _abc_ | not qcow2 |
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| 13:59.56 | CuSn | iKarith: you wisj to know if the system actually has a framebuffer? |
| 14:02.17 | CuSn | iKarith: do you check for /proc/fb? |
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| 14:06.25 | iKarith | CuSn: I'm trying to determine which tool to use out of several choices in a bash script based on where the script is running from |
| 14:07.06 | CuSn | i see. |
| 14:07.10 | iKarith | X11, use an X-based tool. Framebuffer, do that. Else, get creative. |
| 14:07.23 | iKarith | that's why I mentioned mailcap |
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| 15:24.15 | Razva | hey! what's the latest KDE Plasma version for jessie? |
| 15:24.38 | greycat | What's the package name? |
| 15:24.58 | Razva | mmm...no idea, I'm looking for a distro that uses 5.8 by default |
| 15:25.06 | babilen | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:25.13 | greycat | Jessie was feature-frozen 2 years ago, so if it's newer than that.... |
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| 15:25.29 | Razva | 4.14? |
| 15:26.01 | babilen | 5.27, 16.08 |
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| 15:26.34 | Razva | boo |
| 15:27.15 | greycat | doesn't even know what "KDE SC" stands for. |
| 15:27.26 | tx | KDE software collection |
| 15:27.35 | tx | er no |
| 15:27.37 | tx | compilation* |
| 15:27.39 | Razva | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kde-plasma-desktop < I see 5:84 ? |
| 15:27.45 | tx | It basically means KDE + all of the KDE software. |
| 15:27.57 | greycat | ,v kde-plasma-desktop |
| 15:27.58 | judd | Package: kde-plasma-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:84; sid: 5:91; stretch: 5:91 |
| 15:28.17 | babilen | judd: v plasma-desktop |
| 15:28.18 | judd | Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; sid: 4:5.8.2-1; stretch: 4:5.8.2-1 |
| 15:28.18 | greycat | Those look like internal Debian metapackage versions. Not meaningful. |
| 15:28.36 | greycat | OK, *those* look like upstream versions. |
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| 15:28.53 | babilen | Looks as if stretch will release with 5.8.2 or newer |
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| 15:29.19 | Razva | k, so stable is 5.7? |
| 15:29.26 | greycat | Stable is 4.11.13 |
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| 15:30.02 | Razva | <judd> Package: kde-plasma-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:84; sid: 5:91; stretch: 5:91 ? |
| 15:30.13 | greycat | 11:28 greycat> Those look like internal Debian metapackage versions. Not meaningful. |
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| 15:30.20 | Razva | aaaah, ok |
| 15:30.41 | babilen | judd: v kde-baseapps |
| 15:30.42 | judd | Package: kde-baseapps on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-1; sid: 4:16.08.2-1; stretch: 4:16.08.2-1 |
| 15:30.42 | Razva | so no Plasma for Debian. yet. |
| 15:30.49 | greycat | It's in stretch (testing). |
| 15:30.56 | babilen | Razva: Which version is needed for "Plasma" ? |
| 15:31.01 | Razva | 5.X |
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| 15:31.11 | Razva | latest stable would be 5.7 |
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| 15:31.19 | babilen | It's, as greycat has pointed out, in stretch and sid (testing and unstable) |
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| 15:31.25 | greycat | Oh, you mean upstream KDE "stable", not Debian stable. |
| 15:31.32 | andreySV | hello! |
| 15:31.51 | greycat | Or I don't know what you mean. |
| 15:32.04 | andreySV | Say please the name of the russian channel debian |
| 15:32.12 | babilen | dpkg: ru |
| 15:32.12 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 15:32.12 | greycat | !ru |
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| 15:32.42 | Razva | yeah, KDE stable |
| 15:32.45 | andreySV | Thanks! Good for you |
| 15:33.43 | babilen | Razva: Jessie (Debian stable) has 4.11.13 while stretch and sid (Debian testing and unstable) have 5.8.2 |
| 15:33.58 | babilen | My understanding is that the latter is new enough to satisfy your requirements |
| 15:34.13 | Razva | should I go with testing? |
| 15:34.22 | greycat | You can try whatever you like. |
| 15:34.24 | sm00th | the new kde 5 aint buggy for you? |
| 15:34.24 | babilen | How familiar are you with Linux and Debian in particular? |
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| 15:34.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell Razva -about tum |
| 15:34.47 | Razva | very familiar with CentOS, but they have 4.X as well |
| 15:34.52 | sm00th | with nvidia prop drivers i get sreen flashing alot on the new kde5 |
| 15:34.56 | babilen | Razva: Also read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 15:35.07 | sm00th | i have to turn compositing off, but on 4 everything work great. |
| 15:35.26 | sm00th | with opengl 3.1, not sure why in kde 5 i get problems. |
| 15:35.50 | Razva | I think that at the end of the day I'll go with a rolling os, Arch I think... |
| 15:36.04 | andreySV | try disable compton |
| 15:36.06 | Razva | for a desktop at least...it's decent... |
| 15:36.23 | sm00th | andreySV, like I said i have to disable compositing. but kde has its own compositor I don't think its compton |
| 15:36.28 | babilen | Razva: I happily run a testing/unstable mix and it should be okay for anybody reasonably familiar with Debian and its packaging system. You might also want to read https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/packaging-system.html and the following chapters |
| 15:36.39 | sm00th | but turning off compositing fixes the issue, but I'd rather use kde 4 with compositing on. |
| 15:37.04 | sm00th | open source drivers seem to work much better for me on kde5. |
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| 15:37.24 | andreySV | if use other version of videodriver? |
| 15:37.38 | sm00th | andreySV, ya i tried many diff kinds, diff distros |
| 15:37.44 | Razva | what about nVidia drivers for gtx 1080? that's a huge pain in the arse for me at this point... :| |
| 15:37.48 | sm00th | its something about kde5 and my 650 ti card. |
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| 15:38.00 | babilen | Razva: Which version do you need for that card? |
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| 15:38.05 | babilen | judd: v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 15:38.06 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+2; stretch/non-free: 367.44-3; sid/non-free: 367.57-1; experimental/non-free: 370.28-1 |
| 15:38.07 | Razva | babilen drivers |
| 15:38.10 | sm00th | andreySV, the open seource work good though |
| 15:38.20 | Razva | just a sec to see which one I need for 1080 |
| 15:38.32 | babilen | Razva: Yes. Which version [of the drivers] do you need for that card? |
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| 15:39.16 | Razva | 367.27 |
| 15:39.38 | Razva | ^ that would be the stable one (from nVidia's point of view) |
| 15:39.43 | babilen | Razva: stretch/sid have 367.44 and 367.57 respectively |
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| 15:41.19 | Razva | stretch seems decent I guess, for a desktop env? |
| 15:41.28 | babilen | Absolutely |
| 15:41.42 | babilen | I'd run a stretch/sid (or testing/unstable) mix though till the release |
| 15:42.21 | babilen | We also have a shiny channel for testing/unstable on irc.oftc.net called #debian-next |
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| 15:46.05 | Razva | why doesn't Debian make a step in Cloud Computing? Ubuntu has Ubuntu Cloud, RH has a ton of stuff, SUSE seems to rocket. so...why? |
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| 15:48.09 | GreenBanana | Is there a way to auto sync iCloud photos with Debian? |
| 15:48.15 | keltim | I'm not sure what the point would be |
| 15:48.20 | keltim | storage? |
| 15:48.41 | th0r | Razva, what du ubuntu and rhel have against self-sufficiency? |
| 15:49.02 | keltim | Debian's not a business, they're not going to offer user services, but some other company is welcome to provide that for Debian and charge for it |
| 15:49.23 | GreenBanana | I would like to backup the photos from iCloud |
| 15:49.29 | GreenBanana | So I can access them offline |
| 15:50.05 | Razva | keltim well...seems no company is doing anything, because they already have commercial deals with other commercial companies like RH and Ubuntu |
| 15:50.43 | Razva | the thing is...nowadays I cannot see Debian anywhere, except Proxmox... |
| 15:50.54 | keltim | personally I don't find the cloud account ubuntu, et. al. offer are very compelling in any way |
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| 15:51.16 | keltim | you can get those same things anywhere |
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| 15:51.34 | Razva | keltim just try to setup OpenStack on debian :) |
| 15:51.49 | Razva | it's kinda "impossiburu" |
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| 15:54.50 | OpenTokix | Openstack is a pile of garbage |
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| 15:55.56 | Razva | OpenTokix heh...any alternatives...? :| please don't say oVirt :) |
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| 15:56.23 | Razva | CloudStack is the same |
| 15:56.41 | OpenTokix | Razva: No, sadly not |
| 15:57.08 | Razva | :| |
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| 15:58.02 | OpenTokix | Razva: I personally like libvirt, but for a larger installation its not usable. |
| 15:58.09 | OpenTokix | Razva: For containers, I prefer kubernetes |
| 15:58.21 | petn-randall | Razva: s/Cloud/other people's computer/ |
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| 16:00.47 | Razva | OpenTokix yup, libvirt is not usable in a "commercial & large-scale environment". for containers yes, kubernetes&docker are great, but really...nobody will buy a "hosted docker service" because it offers no guarantees. that's why KVM is so widely-used |
| 16:01.31 | OpenTokix | Razva: I guess for a large installation openstack or cloudstack is the only way to fly. |
| 16:01.40 | Razva | so basically what the world needs is an easy way to deploy and manage kvm. the issue with all solutions I found is HA and networking. |
| 16:01.49 | Razva | OpenTokix yup. |
| 16:02.05 | jhutchins | GreenBanana: I think that's something people are working on, for Google Photos too. |
| 16:02.24 | Razva | that's where the market is going, and unfortunately I didn't found any trace of Debian there. which makes me sad because Debian was the first distro I've installed |
| 16:02.35 | jhutchins | GreenBanana: As more phones and tablets do auto-backup to the cloud people want to sync that to a local storage point. |
| 16:02.50 | GreenBanana | Yeah |
| 16:02.52 | GreenBanana | Indeed |
| 16:03.02 | GreenBanana | Would be great |
| 16:03.04 | Razva | GreenBanana tried OwnCloud? |
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| 16:03.18 | Razva | it's free, open-source, can be managed very easy |
| 16:03.55 | RoyK | uses owncloud |
| 16:03.57 | Razva | if you have a decent connection at home...just make a port forward and you're good to go, files will go from smartphone -> your machine |
| 16:04.03 | RoyK | it's easy, free and versatile |
| 16:04.05 | petn-randall | !ot |
| 16:04.05 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 16:05.04 | RoyK | petn-randall: eh? what it that was so offtopic this time? |
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| 16:07.37 | GreenBanana | Razva: let me see |
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| 16:08.02 | jhutchins | petn-randall: We're putting out feelers for debian ways for syncing or auto-downloading cloud items. |
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| 16:09.40 | jhutchins | Razva^: Are you saying there's an app or something that redirects stuff? I don't see an option to choose where "backups" automatically go. THere's an app for Google, there's an app for my provider (Verizon). |
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| 16:10.45 | RichiH | looks at #841425 |
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| 16:10.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/841425 in xml-core (open): «dh_installxmlcatalogs: xmlcorever must be increased to 0.14 for sort»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-10-20; last modified: 2016-10-26. |
| 16:10.47 | RichiH | meh :p |
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| 16:29.49 | MrSmileCAI | hi |
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| 16:30.28 | MrSmileCAI | Hi debian people, I have a problem. Postfix tells me that port 587 is blocked, and I am not getting smart what is used by the system to make it available. Can somebody help me ? |
| 16:30.45 | MrSmileCAI | Sorry, I ment "ubuntu"... |
| 16:30.56 | greycat | lsof -i :587 sorry, I meant /join #ubuntu |
| 16:31.10 | Razva | MrSmileCAI netstat -pln |
| 16:31.21 | Razva | MrSmileCAI netstat -pln | grep 857 |
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| 16:31.50 | MrSmileCAI | both commands executed and I receive an empty reply. |
| 16:31.54 | MrSmileCAI | Any other ideas ? |
| 16:32.06 | Razva | even the one without | grep ? |
| 16:32.08 | greycat | What is the actual error you're seeing? |
| 16:32.40 | MrSmileCAI | postfix/master[7375]: fatal: bind 138.2xx.xxx.xx port 587: Address already in use |
| 16:33.00 | greycat | then lsof -i :587 (AS ROOT) has to say something useful... |
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| 16:33.26 | MrSmileCAI | I am doing that as root. :( |
| 16:34.38 | greycat | Are you sure you're running it all on the same machine that the error is coming from? |
| 16:34.43 | MrSmileCAI | yes |
| 16:34.48 | greycat | Is the error *recent*? |
| 16:34.54 | MrSmileCAI | I am connected with ssh to my server in the datacenter. |
| 16:34.59 | MrSmileCAI | yes, just 5 minutes ago |
| 16:35.08 | MrSmileCAI | I try to start postfix again now. |
| 16:35.30 | jhutchins | It's possible that postfix is trying to bind the port twice and unbinds it when it fails. |
| 16:36.43 | MrSmileCAI | and again |
| 16:36.57 | greycat | That might make sense if you're trying to start postfix while it's already running... somehow.... |
| 16:37.02 | jhutchins | MrSmileCAI: Perhaps grep -r 587 /etc/postfix/* |
| 16:38.01 | MrSmileCAI | YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT |
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| 16:38.16 | MrSmileCAI | I am sooo stupid, I looked at the master conf file there it was.. |
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| 16:40.25 | MrSmileCAI | Thank you people! You are all beautiful! |
| 16:40.27 | MrSmileCAI | thank you! |
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| 16:41.44 | jhutchins | MrSmileCAI: Hey, I only know because I've done it too. |
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| 16:42.48 | jhutchins | Experience is proportionate to data destroyed. |
| 16:43.19 | MrSmileCAI | thanks man |
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| 16:50.29 | Denommus | are there example packages for nodejs applications? |
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| 16:51.04 | genoobie | hey all, booting up clonezilla (debian) |
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| 16:51.12 | genoobie | and I can't get my ethernet recognized. |
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| 16:51.46 | genoobie | lspci -nn | grep Ether returns nothing |
| 16:52.08 | genoobie | when I boot to windows I can't find an ethernet card there either |
| 16:52.28 | greycat | What makes you think you have one? |
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| 16:54.01 | genoobie | well it's a laptop |
| 16:54.04 | jhutchins | genoobie: Perhaps the card is dead or unseated? (Actually, it's probably embedded, but...) |
| 16:54.18 | genoobie | there's an ethernet port and I'm assuming the network is embedded. |
| 16:54.27 | jhutchins | genoobie: Sometimes the internals are USB. Also check the BIOS. |
| 16:54.42 | genoobie | jhutchins: thanks on the BIOS tip |
| 16:54.46 | genoobie | I'll check brb |
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| 17:16.22 | xsmltx | Hi, tell me please what program I need on Linux to see the image from the Linux device to a tv through hdmi. On the Linux device is no desktop environment only jwm. Thank you. |
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| 17:19.13 | DamionGans | Hey all, I have some questions regarding gaming on Debian Testing. I have two computers, one AMD Machine with an AMD GPU, and an Intel Laptop with an AMD GPu (hybrid graphics). I would like to play especially three Windows based games: World of Warcraft, Skyrim and Guild Wars 2. Altough the framerate doesn't have to be as much as on Windows, I would like to run them at okay speeds. Do you guys have some suggestions how to make t |
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| 17:20.53 | jhutchins | xsmltx: HDMI output is usually controlled by the Video Settings control applet. Often this uses xrandr as the back end. Your drivers must stupport HDMI out, not all do. |
| 17:20.55 | petn-randall | DamionGans: You can probably install the non-free amd drivers, and they should have ok speeds. Are those games generally available for Linux, or do you require wine for them? |
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| 17:22.13 | xsmltx | jhutchins, can you tell me please if there is any command to check if my drivers supports this please? |
| 17:22.23 | DamionGans | those are wine games. unofrtunately AMD has stopped support for non-free graphics drivers and is contributing in the Linux kernel right now. |
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| 17:28.12 | jhutchins | xsmltx: Try xrandr |
| 17:28.34 | jhutchins | xsmltx: You may need to launch it in a terminal window. |
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| 17:29.47 | maily | Hi |
| 17:30.18 | maily | Concerning the rsync backup switch/feature, it creates hardlinks for non-changed files - is it easily backupable or portable to linux over samba, etc? |
| 17:30.35 | maily | is there also an option to de-linkize the stuff to a full snapshot if needed at some point? |
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| 17:32.35 | greycat | If you're asking for unusual rsync commands, you might want to try #rsync |
| 17:32.45 | maily | thanks |
| 17:33.06 | xsmltx | jhutchins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23412514/ |
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| 17:52.37 | scottg_ | Could someone help expand on how versioning works for debian packages? The following link helped a little but didn't explain how security updates are applied: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
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| 17:53.04 | greycat | security usually just adds deb8u1 or similar |
| 17:53.23 | scottg_ | Basically I want to know what version I should specify that will span security updates |
| 17:53.30 | greycat | e.g. package libc6 version 2.19-18+deb8u6 |
| 17:53.45 | scottg_ | Also perhaps this question would be better asked in ubuntu since that's what I'm on (although they use debian packaging) |
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| 17:54.09 | scottg_ | greycat: I'm particularly wondering about this package http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/trusty/main/updates/nginx |
| 17:54.31 | scottg_ | Would I want to specify nginx=1.4.6-1ubuntu3* ? |
| 17:54.40 | scottg_ | or 1.4.6* |
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| 17:54.57 | greycat | I don't know what you mean by "specify". What are you doing? |
| 17:55.15 | scottg_ | Trying to specify a package version that won't break when there's a security update |
| 17:55.27 | greycat | Specify in what context? Why? What are you doing? |
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| 17:55.37 | scottg_ | greycat: coniguration management |
| 17:55.41 | scottg_ | configuration* |
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| 17:57.25 | scottg_ | greycat: does my question make sense? |
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| 17:57.43 | scottg_ | I don't want a security update to break my config management. I want to be able to specify a 'static' version |
| 17:58.03 | greycat | You're going to have to wait for someone who understands what you mean by "configuration management". |
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| 17:58.11 | scottg_ | Basically it seems that when they did the security update they removed version *3.5 when it was replaced with *3.7 |
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| 17:58.22 | scottg_ | greycat: the fact that it's config management doesn't even matter |
| 17:58.24 | missmbob | they being ubuntu. so you should ask them |
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| 17:59.00 | akk | How can I get the source for the python-webkit package? apt-get source says "Unable to find a source package for pywebkitgtk". |
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| 17:59.18 | missmbob | besides you should actually have real configuration management. like etckeeper. |
| 17:59.36 | scottg_ | uh |
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| 17:59.46 | scottg_ | I never even said what kind of cfg mgmt i have |
| 18:00.22 | missmbob | you're a special one. you're still in the wrong place |
| 18:00.51 | scottg_ | lol just looked up this shit, have fun with that neckbeardy solution |
| 18:01.23 | missmbob | yeah. git is real old school |
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| 18:03.32 | petn-randall | scottg_: Since you're running on Ubuntu, please ask in #ubuntu. |
| 18:03.51 | scottg_ | already have |
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| 18:04.02 | scottg_ | I figured I would ask here too since ubuntu uses debians versioning |
| 18:04.16 | scottg_ | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 18:04.20 | scottg_ | This specifically |
| 18:04.39 | greycat | Repeating yourself to justify asking the wrong channel... |
| 18:05.02 | sm00th | what is a config manager? |
| 18:05.02 | biberao | damn i thought i was somewhere else |
| 18:05.09 | scottg_ | It is a justification, thanks |
| 18:05.13 | petn-randall | scottg_: That's irrelevant though, we only help Debian users in here for a number of technical and social reasons. |
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| 18:05.40 | scottg_ | That's fine |
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| 18:06.20 | petn-randall | scottg_: Ubuntu for example _doesn't_ patch the same as Debian does. Often they will push a new upstream version of e.g. MySQL to their LTS. |
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| 18:10.18 | missmbob | petn-randall: i know we had to do that was samba...but seriously, that's how they normally do things with LTS? fuck me |
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| 18:10.50 | greycat | Debian has done that with bind9 a few times, too. |
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| 18:14.50 | arielsanflo | hello |
| 18:15.08 | arielsanflo | please repositorios de debian sid |
| 18:15.15 | petn-randall | Debian does it, too, but we're a lot more hesitant than Ubuntu. At least that is what my gut feeling says. |
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| 18:15.45 | petn-randall | arielsanflo: How far did you get with your own research? |
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| 18:16.00 | missmbob | !sid sources.list |
| 18:16.00 | dpkg | If you don't know enough about Debian to do this yourself, you won't know enough about Debian to fix the problems you *will* encounter. Please spend some months or years learning about Debian first. Sorry. |
| 18:16.46 | JordiGH | I'm having a weird graphical bug, where when a window updates its contents, it will flip back and forth between the previous contents of the window and the update, every second or so. |
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| 18:17.23 | arielsanflo | my english is so so |
| 18:17.33 | arielsanflo | i am from colombia |
| 18:17.37 | missmbob | !es |
| 18:17.38 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
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| 18:18.12 | arielsanflo | no obtengo respuesta en este canal debian-es |
| 18:18.19 | nkuttler | JordiGH: almost sounds like a hardware problem |
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| 18:18.34 | Denommus | npm2deb asks me to publish my npm package into the registry, but the pckage is private |
| 18:18.38 | teraflops | ingresar? seriously? are we talking about hospitals? |
| 18:18.39 | Denommus | what could I do? |
| 18:18.46 | greycat | Well, we don't support sid here. That's in #debian-next on irc.debian.org |
| 18:18.54 | JordiGH | nkuttler: It happened with a Linux upgrade, to 4.7, I think. |
| 18:19.09 | nkuttler | JordiGH: well, then downgrade :) |
| 18:19.14 | arielsanflo | hay llegue |
| 18:19.15 | arielsanflo | http://carlosmolines.blogspot.com.co/2011/04/repositorios-en-debian-sid.html |
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| 18:19.22 | JordiGH | arielsanflo: ahÃ, no hay |
| 18:19.52 | missmbob | oh that's gonna be fun. that blog includes experimental. |
| 18:19.58 | arielsanflo | mi pregunta es debo colocar todos esos |
| 18:19.58 | missmbob | and deb-multimedia |
| 18:20.17 | arielsanflo | yo agradezco mucho su ayuda |
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| 18:20.29 | arielsanflo | perdon no hablar en ingles |
| 18:20.33 | teraflops | arielsanflo: stop using random shit blogs |
| 18:20.47 | greycat | Also stop using sid. |
| 18:20.51 | missmbob | use the spanish channel like we said. it's not hard. |
| 18:21.04 | greycat | He claimed that he didn't get a response. |
| 18:21.07 | JordiGH | missmbob: he said nobody answered in there. |
| 18:21.12 | JordiGH | In Spanish. |
| 18:21.15 | arielsanflo | for good |
| 18:21.15 | missmbob | damn shame |
| 18:21.29 | teraflops | missmbob: wel |
| 18:21.32 | teraflops | oops |
| 18:21.41 | teraflops | missmbob: why? |
| 18:21.50 | arielsanflo | no lo volvere a hacer |
| 18:21.52 | arielsanflo | garcias |
| 18:21.56 | teraflops | it's holiday |
| 18:22.12 | JordiGH | arielsanflo: No creo que obtenga ayuda aquà en castellano. Será necesario hablar ingles. (I don't think you'll get help here in Spanish. You will have to speak English.) |
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| 18:22.29 | arielsanflo | understand |
| 18:22.44 | teraflops | arielsanflo: also be patient |
| 18:23.16 | JordiGH | arielsanflo: Otra opción es esperar en #debian-es y ser más paciente allá. (Another option is to wait in #debian-es and be more patient.) |
| 18:23.17 | arielsanflo | yes |
| 18:23.32 | arielsanflo | muchas gracias |
| 18:23.38 | arielsanflo | por su tiempo |
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| 18:26.17 | arielsanflo | https://paste.debian.net/891490/ |
| 18:26.27 | arielsanflo | mis repositorios |
| 18:26.55 | missmbob | wow |
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| 18:27.25 | missmbob | even if he spoke english i wouldnt touch that |
| 18:27.51 | missmbob | 165 lines. that has to be a new record |
| 18:27.56 | arielsanflo | uname -r |
| 18:27.56 | arielsanflo | 4.7.0-1-amd64 |
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| 18:28.46 | arielsanflo | Linux arielsanflo 4.7.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.7.8-1 (2016-10-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:30.02 | jkt | hi there, is there a catch-all shotgun approach for silencing all lintian errors? something like 'override_dh_auto_lintian:\n\ttrue' |
| 18:30.43 | petn-randall | Apparently someone applied to Pokemon catch phrase to Debian repositories ... |
| 18:31.24 | teraflops | arielsanflo: you don't have to put every damn debian repo in your sources.list |
| 18:31.56 | missmbob | 3 or 4 times even. do much wrong |
| 18:32.03 | missmbob | so* |
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| 18:32.29 | arielsanflo | teraflops yes |
| 18:32.39 | teraflops | isn't a factoid for that? |
| 18:32.44 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 18:32.44 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 18:32.46 | arielsanflo | i like delete |
| 18:33.00 | petn-randall | If the language barrier is a problem, #debian-es might be better. |
| 18:33.00 | arielsanflo | lo que no me sirven |
| 18:33.53 | missmbob | someone tell him they not answering right away wont make us magically speak spanish? |
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| 18:35.33 | greycat | No hablamos español. |
| 18:35.45 | cruncher | well, some speak spanish, but maybe dont want to give support in spanish |
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| 18:36.09 | cruncher | or cant |
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| 18:36.51 | greycat | If he has mixed jessie and anything later, then it's already too late. He should pick either sid or stretch, nuke all the other sources, dist-upgrade, and move to #debian-next |
| 18:36.58 | greycat | We can't support a frankendebian. Nobody can. |
| 18:37.15 | arielsanflo | find thanks |
| 18:37.19 | arielsanflo | delete |
| 18:37.28 | arielsanflo | repositbaorios que no necesita |
| 18:37.37 | arielsanflo | repositorios que no necesitava |
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| 18:52.19 | Razva | guys, can you please take a look at this: http://hastebin.com/imezejidic.vbs . so...at the end of the day...what dependency is missing...? because I've tried it three times, same result... |
| 18:53.01 | Razva | full error log here: http://hastebin.com/adegulocuk.lua |
| 18:53.06 | Denommus | can npm2deb be used without publishing my package to the registry? |
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| 18:57.28 | rattking | Razva: "crit: Unable to get local IP address" looks to be the problem.. and a quick search for that turns up https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/error-pve-cluster-main-crit-unable-to-get-local-ip-address.10335/ .. does that help? |
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| 19:01.28 | Razva | rattking well, it's a test environment at my home, where I have a dynamic IP which I cannot resolve... |
| 19:01.44 | Razva | in /etc/hosts I have 127.0.1.1 pmx-local |
| 19:01.50 | Razva | and localhost |
| 19:01.55 | Razva | IPv6 is commented |
| 19:01.56 | teraflops | Razva: it looks like you're using proxmoxVE, that's a 3rd party repo, so at this point you're not using debian |
| 19:02.13 | Razva | facepalms |
| 19:02.52 | teraflops | Razva: I meant, it's fine proxmoxVE is awesome but it's not debian |
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| 19:04.23 | Razva | yeah, it seems that Proxmox is so "smart", it needs to have a hostname reverse of the...ehm...lan IP, in hosts :| |
| 19:04.27 | Razva | double facepalms |
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| 19:05.10 | Razva | horray for the 4th install. |
| 19:05.36 | teraflops | Razva: there's a nice wiki: https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Main_Page |
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| 19:05.52 | greycat | !proxmox |
| 19:05.53 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 19:08.31 | Razva | somebody should correct the bot |
| 19:08.37 | Razva | it's LXC > OpenVZ |
| 19:09.02 | greycat | you mean s/OpenVZ/LCX/ ? |
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| 19:10.05 | Razva | [...] providing a virtualization platform with <LMX> and <KVM>. [...] |
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| 19:10.47 | Razva | *LXC |
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| 19:11.19 | greycat | dpkg, proxmox =~ s/OpenVZ/LXC/ |
| 19:11.20 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 19:11.21 | greycat | Thus? |
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| 19:13.26 | fernie | Razva: hmmh, this one fresh proxmox box has in /etc/hosts: x.x.x.x hostname.domain hostname pvelocalhost |
| 19:13.52 | fernie | is it the pvelocalhost alias that it is looking for.. |
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| 19:15.38 | SpeakFreely | Has anyone managed to successfully get an nvidia pascal card working on Jessie? |
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| 19:41.02 | jelly | Razva: isn't it both, when did they add LXC? |
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| 19:51.41 | MikeWorth | I'm currently using a machine with onboard wired networking and a pci wifi card. Every couple of minutes some deamon turns on an eth0:avahi interface that breaks the wifi connection. I've tried meddling with /etc/network/interfaces and stopping the avahi-daemon via systemctrl but it keeps happening. Anyone seen this before and/or know how to stop it? |
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| 19:56.03 | akk | MikeWorth: Do you need avahi? Maybe just remove it? |
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| 19:58.19 | MikeWorth | akk: there are loads of apt-cache search results for avahi; will just nuking avahi-daemon do it? |
| 19:58.19 | MikeWorth | or is it avahi-autoipd that's doing it? |
| 19:58.19 | MikeWorth | or should I go mental and remove anything that mentions it? Is that likely to cause major issues? |
| 19:58.44 | Razva | jelly they moved from OpenVZ to LXC a year ago, when upgrading to 4 |
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| 19:59.15 | Razva | OpenVZ is dead, it's being replaced by Parallels with Virtuozzo 7 which is based on OpenVZ 7 |
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| 19:59.54 | akk | Do you actually have loads of avahi packages installed? When I aptitude search avahi I see a lot (35) but most of them are libraries |
| 20:00.32 | akk | looks like only 6 packages that aren't -- are all of them installed? (I don't have any installed here.) |
| 20:00.54 | akk | I have some of the libavahi packages installed, I guess something must have dependencies on that. |
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| 20:01.56 | sm00th | MikeWorth, uninstalling avahi-daemon doesn't break anything you can always put it back if you need it for something |
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| 20:04.27 | akk | Anybody know what might cause "Unable to find a source package" from aot-get source? |
| 20:04.33 | akk | I thought everything in debian had to have source available. |
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| 20:05.01 | MikeWorth | There were several installed, avahi-daemon amongst them; I've just purged it and am waiting to see if that's worked... |
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| 20:05.56 | MikeWorth | nope, that didn't work; I assume I can safely get rid of avahi-autoipd? |
| 20:06.16 | TomTomTosch | akk: missing the deb-src line for the right repo? and the name of the binary package and the source package are not always the same. |
| 20:06.29 | MikeWorth | that is the only process returned by ps -e | grep avahi when the interface is broken |
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| 20:07.08 | sm00th | MikeWorth, what if you just manually assign an ip to the wifi connection? |
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| 20:08.47 | MikeWorth | sm00th: will that help? When it's broken wlan0 still has an IP, but I think all my traffic goes via the eth0:avahi interface even though there's nothing connected to it? (Well, maybe not - I'm a little bit past my networking knowledge) |
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| 20:09.39 | sm00th | MikeWorth, worth a shot |
| 20:10.06 | sm00th | if you manually give it an ip that might make the etho:avahi interface disappear id unno why you getting that |
| 20:10.16 | sm00th | unless it again doesn't not connect |
| 20:10.29 | MikeWorth | I suspect the horribly different subnets between avahi and wifi interfaces are screwing everything up? |
| 20:11.13 | sm00th | i'm nto sure what you mean, the avahi is there to automatically get an ip |
| 20:11.28 | sm00th | and it must be failing for some reason |
| 20:11.47 | sm00th | you using NetworkManager right? |
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| 20:14.14 | sm00th | I think avahi also used for printer discovery of certain protocols, not sure what else. |
| 20:14.28 | MikeWorth | I'm using the networkmanager applet to configure the wifi; does that answer the question? |
| 20:14.51 | sm00th | yes, so it means you didn't manually edit any config files i assume |
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| 20:15.08 | sm00th | ya you can go in there and manually assign an ip and see if that stops the issue |
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| 20:15.50 | MikeWorth | I could well have done at some point - this install was done years ago and I've meddled with various things in that time |
| 20:16.03 | sm00th | oh |
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| 20:16.18 | sm00th | so it might mean your /etc/network/interfaces file is not correct possibly |
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| 20:17.45 | sm00th | I always set manual connection on my wifi anyways. I only connect to one network. |
| 20:17.50 | MikeWorth | the wlan0 interface keeps it's good IP even when the eth0:avahi interface appears and breaks things. The wlan0 gets 192.168.0.4 from the router dhcp and eth0:avahi decides it'll use 169.254.7.158 (well it did last time anyway) |
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| 20:19.05 | MikeWorth | I have tried adding a like to that to prevent eth0 coming up, I have probably got that wrong. Is there a good way to either achieve that or reset that config to default? |
| 20:19.24 | MikeWorth | *line |
| 20:19.26 | sm00th | adding a like? |
| 20:19.29 | sm00th | oh |
| 20:20.48 | sm00th | eth0 is normally the wired connection |
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| 20:20.58 | sm00th | are you connected wired too? |
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| 20:21.14 | MikeWorth | I know, I don't have a wired connection |
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| 20:21.22 | sm00th | i thought you said your pc had both? |
| 20:21.31 | MikeWorth | I figured that disabling it would stop it rocking up to the party and breaking things |
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| 20:21.35 | sm00th | maybe its trying to connect even though its unhplugged |
| 20:21.44 | sm00th | how did you go about disabling it? |
| 20:21.46 | MikeWorth | I have one on the mobo, but nothing plugged in |
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| 20:22.04 | sm00th | Oh shit i have to go meet someone at the bus stop |
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| 20:22.15 | sm00th | sorry man someone should definitely help you. I think either you should assign manual ip's |
| 20:22.21 | MikeWorth | OK, thanks for the help |
| 20:22.25 | sm00th | or maybe the ethernet controller not disbled. bbiab |
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| 20:33.54 | MikeWorth | For anyone still listening, I seem to have stopped it by purging the avahi-autoip package |
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| 20:38.07 | sl4v3 | is S3 a reasonable place to store web server private keys? |
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| 20:38.42 | dondelelcaro | sl4v3: SSL keys? |
| 20:38.49 | mutante | as a backup? |
| 20:39.08 | dondelelcaro | sl4v3: why not use letsencrypt and not store the keys anywhere? |
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| 20:39.48 | greycat | "Should I store my most sensitive secret data in the clutches of a gigantic corporation that's best known for stifling all their competition by abusing patent law?" |
| 20:39.51 | mutante | letsencrypt, yeah! or you can gpg-encrypt your key before uploading it |
| 20:40.09 | mutante | (but dont store the secring on S3 :) |
| 20:40.14 | keltim | sl4v3, not really, better places come to mind immediately |
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| 20:40.18 | ExoUNX | dondelelcaro uhh what? the private and public keys are not stored on LE servers... |
| 20:40.37 | dondelelcaro | ExoUNX: "and *not* store the keys" |
| 20:40.58 | sl4v3 | dondelelcaro, keltim: i totes agree. |
| 20:41.01 | ExoUNX | dondelelcaro well you need to store the keys |
| 20:41.19 | dondelelcaro | ExoUNX: on the webserver, sure. But no where else |
| 20:41.30 | dondelelcaro | and you can potentially regenerate them whenever you need them |
| 20:41.36 | sl4v3 | i'm in a catch 22. like, so far i've been using external docker volumes to store the certs that are picked up by other containers that launch on the box. |
| 20:41.42 | ExoUNX | dondelelcaro ok, was having a hard time understanding what you were trying to say |
| 20:41.51 | sl4v3 | but i don't see how i can use that strategy using any other orchestration mechanism, like ECS for instance. |
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| 20:42.09 | sl4v3 | so i'm trying to figure out what would be a good model for our sites going forward. |
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| 20:42.53 | keltim | sl4v3, it'd be ok if the bucket were locked down and all that ... but I can see someone messing with the perms, right now we store them in git, they're decrypted when needed |
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| 20:43.31 | sl4v3 | i'm just not sure how i can bootstrap a docker container to use the certs without it turning into a real hack. |
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| 20:43.55 | sl4v3 | keltim: we have them in ansible encrypted, which is in git. but that's somewhat orthogonal to our docker workloads. |
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| 20:45.24 | dondelelcaro | sl4v3: hrm, and it's not reasonable to generate they keys during the bootstrapping I guess. |
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| 20:45.51 | keltim | sl4v3, I have not tried, but I *think* you can store ssl keys in IAM (as an encryption key) |
| 20:46.46 | keltim | n/m |
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| 20:47.33 | Sazpaimon_ | How can I change an mdadm array from /dev/sd* to /dev/disk/by-id/*? |
| 20:47.39 | sl4v3 | dondelelcaro: well they're not self-signed. |
| 20:47.47 | Sazpaimon_ | and can i do such a thing live? |
| 20:48.34 | dondelelcaro | sl4v3: yeah; if you're not using a CA infrastructure which allows that, it's a problem. |
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| 20:49.17 | sl4v3 | i have no idea how to handle my secrets sanely and safely. *peak confusion* :( |
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| 20:49.55 | dondelelcaro | sl4v3: those two objectives are almost always in conflict with eachother |
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| 20:50.06 | stew | sl4v3: we are moving everything to hashicorp vault + consul-template for this type of thing, it can even be the thing the generates the ssl certs on the fly |
| 20:50.19 | sl4v3 | stew: vault is definitely interesting. |
| 20:50.23 | dondelelcaro | stew: huh; neat |
| 20:50.33 | keltim | that's probably the best product ive seen for it |
| 20:50.33 | stew | dondelelcaro: hello there :) |
| 20:50.37 | keltim | (vault) |
| 20:50.40 | sl4v3 | stew: tried to get going there with some docs, but just confusing. |
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| 20:51.14 | maily | stew: ssl certs on the fly? you don't mean letsencrypt/acme - but local ca certs? |
| 20:52.02 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon_: I'm not sure that you need to do that if you have 1.2 style metadata? |
| 20:52.17 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon_: I could be wrong, but I thought it looked for members with the right UUIDs |
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| 20:53.01 | stew | maily: you would give vault an intermediate ca so that it could create certs, then when someone requests a cert, vault generates a short lived cert on the spot when it gets an authorized request |
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| 20:53.18 | maily | ah I see |
| 20:53.33 | maily | stew: yes, I also plan to use vault, but first I need to get consul + friends running :) |
| 20:53.58 | stew | yeah, consul is the place to start for sure :) |
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| 20:54.17 | Sazpaimon_ | dondelelcaro: these are 0.9 arrays |
| 20:54.49 | sl4v3 | stew: my problem with consul is the overhead i have to justify having it. like, i can see it's gravy, but if i just start spinning up instances, i'll get spanked. |
| 20:54.49 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon_: oh |
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| 20:55.48 | Sazpaimon_ | I made these arrays a long time ago and needed bash support and didn't feel like using an initramfs |
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| 20:56.25 | unborn | stew: hi,, what ca you are talking about - anyway ? |
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| 20:59.25 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon_: ah; not sure. I think you can upgrade the superblock, but it's been a very long time since I've worked with an 0.9 array, so my knowledge is suspect |
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| 20:59.52 | Sazpaimon_ | will i be able to use a 1.x array without initramfs? |
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| 21:00.13 | Sazpaimon_ | I think that's still required |
| 21:01.05 | Sazpaimon_ | I'm guessing this isn't gonna be possible to with the current members of the array, but I can add new members using the id i guess |
| 21:02.29 | Sazpaimon_ | reason this happened was my raid1 array secondary drive got reseated by the hosting company i use, and it went from sdb to sdc. I'd like to use the disk id so on the off chance it happens again mdadm should pick it up |
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| 21:17.17 | missmbob | Polarina: you could use caffeine. i dont know how gnome does anything but caffeine in gnome would do what you want. |
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| 21:18.11 | missmbob | ,v gnome-shell-extension-caffeine/ |
| 21:18.12 | judd | No package named 'gnome-shell-extension-caffeine/' was found in amd64. |
| 21:18.13 | missmbob | ,v gnome-shell-extension-caffeine |
| 21:18.14 | judd | Package: gnome-shell-extension-caffeine on amd64 -- sid: 0~git20160329-3; stretch: 0~git20160329-3 |
| 21:18.29 | missmbob | ,v caffeine |
| 21:18.30 | judd | Package: caffeine on amd64 -- sid: 2.8.3-3; stretch: 2.8.3-3 |
| 21:18.41 | missmbob | jesus christ jessie gets no love |
| 21:18.55 | missmbob | ,checkbackport caffeine |
| 21:18.56 | judd | Backporting package caffeine in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 21:19.46 | missmbob | ,checkbackport gnome-shell-extension-caffeine |
| 21:19.47 | judd | Backporting package gnome-shell-extension-caffeine in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 21:19.51 | missmbob | choices you have |
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| 21:24.48 | Polarina | missmbob, I'll take a look. Thanks. |
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| 21:44.00 | maily | hi |
| 21:44.33 | maily | so I see a bit strange hostname for last ssh login :/ |
| 21:44.37 | maily | and still logged in it says |
| 21:44.42 | maily | maybe it is myself, hmm |
| 21:44.53 | Razva | folks, when doing a bridge in Debian, where in the world do I set the route? like...vmbr0 should route through eth0 (which is static). any hints if you don't mind? |
| 21:45.04 | maily | hmm, apparently it is me then :/ |
| 21:45.45 | sl4v3 | have you guys checked out Amazon ACM? |
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| 21:57.45 | jibberjabber | im the elf lord. the wicked witch stole my banana machine and i need it back. give me the banana machine or i'll release the monkeys. u don't want me to release the monkeys. they crawl up your butt and build a nest there. its all avoidable if u just give me the dam banana machine. thx and have a nice day. |
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| 21:59.21 | jibberjabber | im the elf lord. the wicked witch stole my banana machine and i need it back. give me the banana machine or i'll release the monkeys. u don't want me to release the monkeys. they crawl up your butt and build a nest there. its all avoidable if u just give me the dam banana machine. thx and have a nice day. |
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| 22:00.05 | jibberjabber | im the elf lord. the wicked witch stole my banana machine and i need it back. give me the banana machine or i'll release the monkeys. u don't want me to release the monkeys. they crawl up your butt and build a nest there. its all avoidable if u just give me the dam banana machine. thx and have a nice day. |
| 22:01.03 | KINgGh0sT | What package do I use for Ati support on stretch? |
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| 22:01.33 | jibberjabber | KINgGh0sT we need your help |
| 22:01.38 | jibberjabber | to recover the banana machine |
| 22:01.42 | jibberjabber | im the elf lord. the wicked witch stole my banana machine and i need it back. give me the banana machine or i'll release the monkeys. u don't want me to release the monkeys. they crawl up your butt and build a nest there. its all avoidable if u just give me the dam banana machine. thx and have a nice day. |
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| 22:05.30 | elflord | im the elf lord. the wicked witch stole my banana machine and i need it back. give me the banana machine or i'll release the monkeys. u don't want me to release the monkeys. they crawl up your butt and build a nest there. its all avoidable if u just give me the dam banana machine. thx and have a nice day. |
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| 22:06.34 | Parrhesiastes | how can one set tab size? source 'tabs 4' from bashrc but it doesnt work |
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| 22:08.15 | elflord | im the elf lord. the wicked witch stole my banana machine and i need it back. give me the banana machine or i'll release the monkeys. u don't want me to release the monkeys. they crawl up your butt and build a nest there. its all avoidable if u just give me the dam banana machine. thx and have a nice day. |
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| 22:14.15 | elflord | im back |
| 22:14.29 | elflord | i need my banana machine |
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| 22:15.00 | johnkeates | is that a euphemism |
| 22:15.03 | elflord | no |
| 22:15.18 | elflord | it feeds the monkeys |
| 22:15.22 | elflord | i am the elf lord |
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| 22:15.35 | johnkeates | i guess you can't have my banana machine then. |
| 22:15.38 | elflord | it is my responsibility to make sure the monkeys are fed |
| 22:15.52 | elflord | therefore i must have the banana machine |
| 22:16.00 | Razva | elflord what about the quantum banana duplificator? |
| 22:16.31 | Razva | you can teleport bananas from a parallel universe in an infinite quantity. |
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| 22:37.50 | bsilvereagle | has anyone had success with pepperflash lately? I just tried, and it seems that libpepflashplayer.so is no longer included in the google chrome *.deb that is being downloaded |
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| 22:41.07 | th0r | bsilvereagle, I believe I read something about google moving from flash to html5 |
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| 22:42.17 | bsilvereagle | hmmm. So that makes Chrome incapable of playing flash content without adobe's player which the last I read isn't supported on Linux? |
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| 22:42.59 | bsilvereagle | http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/629637/pepperflash-and-chrome-54/ |
| 22:43.04 | bsilvereagle | confirms what I just discovere |
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| 22:44.08 | th0r | bsilvereagle, I admit I haven't taken a lot of interest in following the story, but flash has been out of favour for a while...it is only a matter of time before it is history |
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| 22:45.33 | bsilvereagle | The long tail is long |
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| 22:54.12 | Polarina | missmbob, caffeine didn't seem to do the trick. |
| 22:55.37 | sl4v3 | anyone got any bananas? |
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