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| 00:03.42 | tomreyn | ax: that's proprietary software, talk to cisco for support |
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| 00:06.37 | ax | tomreyn, tanx |
| 00:07.21 | ax | i want network simulator for debian |
| 00:08.32 | ax | and network diagram soft |
| 00:08.33 | tomreyn | i want peace for the entire planet |
| 00:09.09 | tomreyn | + sufficient nutrition for everyone. |
| 00:09.25 | tomreyn | + affordable access to education |
| 00:09.37 | ax | excellent |
| 00:10.28 | ||JD|| | Mr Trump will give us all that |
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| 00:22.42 | coolpup | guise would you jus level wit me? |
| 00:22.49 | coolpup | it's not possible to encrypt /boot right? |
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| 00:23.05 | coolpup | and the rest of the booting stuff... only a separate partition right? |
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| 00:36.00 | coolpup | well just make sure you don't end up naked and hacking it in san diego |
| 00:36.31 | ecksun | coolpup, you need to have something unencrypted to boot from, it could be a usb drive or a boot partition |
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| 00:37.31 | ecksun | one way of ensuring the integrity of /boot is using secure boot, which moves the start of the chain of trust further into the HW |
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| 00:38.51 | coolpup | ecksun what is secure boot, if you don't mind? I thought this was the case... I have a few raspberry pis that I don't want people to be able to pull the SD card and copy unencrypted credentials |
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| 00:40.21 | ecksun | secure boot is a way of the UEFI bios (that is, on x86 machines) to verify that what they are booting is what they should be booting |
| 00:40.42 | ecksun | but that does not work on an arm machine, such as the raspberry pi |
| 00:41.02 | ecksun | if you are only worried about someone stealing your sd-card, encrypting everything but boot is fine |
| 00:41.33 | ecksun | the problem with not encrypting boot is that someone can modify the contents of /boot and steal your credentials when you unlock your other partitions |
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| 00:42.29 | coolpup | that's what I thought... okay, that's what I need to figure out |
| 00:42.57 | coolpup | but if I am also worried about someone stealing the card and modifying it, then I should be more interested in secure boot, right? |
| 00:42.59 | ecksun | if you are worried about that also, your best course of action would probably be to setup a separate USB stick that you boot from |
| 00:43.20 | ecksun | yes, on the other hand if someone have physical access to your hardware they could also modify the hardware |
| 00:44.38 | coolpup | I'm mostly worried about someone stealing or copying the card which has credentials, if they had access to the hardware for less than 12 hours. skilled hardware hacker, I am not as worried about |
| 00:45.04 | ecksun | alright, in that case I would just go with an ordinary encrypted system, leaving /boot unencrypted |
| 00:45.15 | coolpup | ecksun do you know if it's possible to boot a raspberry pi from USB? I am kinda n00b with rpi3 at the moment |
| 00:45.36 | ecksun | I dont know anything about raspberry pi specifically ,but it should be possible |
| 00:46.08 | coolpup | I'll check it out... appreciate the clarifications... I think having an encrypted partition will do the trick |
| 00:46.19 | ecksun | no problem! :) |
| 00:47.05 | th0r | coolpup, if you are going to carry a boot usb for a pi, why not just pull the card and carry it? |
| 00:47.54 | coolpup | th0r the reason for this is that I'm running a PBX, and each phone in the system is connected to rpi3 for wifi router/SIP trunking |
| 00:48.20 | coolpup | I don't think my guests will have the technical capabilities to access the credentials even unencrypted, but I can't rely on it |
| 00:48.48 | coolpup | so they need to be able to be running 24/7 unattended |
| 00:49.23 | ecksun | well, anything encrypted requires manual intervetion at boot (say after a powerloss) |
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| 00:49.56 | th0r | coolpup, well, the encrypted drive isn't encrypted while running, so seems to be much ado about nothing |
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| 00:50.34 | ecksun | th0r, are you suggesting he should worry about something like a cold boot attack? |
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| 00:50.54 | coolpup | th0r they wouldn't be able to log in while it's running unless they had the password... mostly worried about stealing the physical micro sd |
| 00:51.30 | coolpup | and if it happened I could change the passwords/salts pretty quickly if I had the chance... just need that roadblock for a few hours until I notice the phones are down |
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| 00:51.50 | th0r | no, I'm suggesting in the long run he is not gaining the security he thinks he gets. |
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| 00:54.14 | coolpup | th0r it's a good point |
| 00:54.32 | coolpup | I admit I'm going to try to balance hassle vs risk |
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| 00:56.26 | th0r | not suggesting you are wrong, just pointing out the gap(s) in security |
| 00:56.42 | coolpup | no I'm not being defensive about it... totally interested in making it right |
| 00:57.06 | coolpup | I prefer not to have anyone be able to access anything on the SD card |
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| 00:57.40 | coolpup | I am just not sure how to get it done the best way |
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| 00:59.20 | Howdy | Guys, I have been using Debian Jessie for a while now & running guest VM windows 10. Everything is fine except my mouse stops working soo often in the guest VM that its pretty much useless. I use Mirage RDP program. Anybody else have this issue? |
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| 00:59.39 | th0r | I use a couple of pis for data servers and will be moving the data to encrypted external drives. but I am not worried about physical access while they are on...need the security in transit. |
| 00:59.58 | Howdy | Correction: Using Vinagre |
| 01:00.20 | fassl__ | i think i need xkbcommon dev package to build qt installer with keyboard support, is this available in squeeze? |
| 01:00.59 | th0r | coolpup, but this is a discussion better suited to #raspbian |
| 01:01.44 | Howdy | so anybody have there mouse stop working in guest VM using XEN hypervisor in Debian? |
| 01:02.10 | Howdy | so frustrated with this issue |
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| 01:11.35 | buu | Hm |
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| 01:21.34 | alexy | hi, how come gvim gives me a grey face, and complains: "Couldn't register with accessibility bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken" after the latest debian stretch upgrade? and how can i fix this? since i can't get much from googling this. thanks! |
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| 01:28.11 | Evidlo | so my LUG is thinking about hosting a mirror. What sort of resources does a mirror take? |
| 01:30.31 | ||JD|| | glass and some wood for the frame? |
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| 01:31.12 | Evidlo | that's still just a window |
| 01:31.54 | buu | silvering |
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| 01:39.56 | Hello71 | Evidlo: it depends on what exactly you want to mirror. |
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| 02:15.50 | screamslash | i use pulseaudio and my sound is always crackling whats going on? |
| 02:16.46 | coolpup | screamslash satan has taken over your sound card, unfortunately |
| 02:17.11 | coolpup | best thing is to play it backwards and listen for the message |
| 02:17.18 | coolpup | then do EXACTLY what it says |
| 02:18.15 | screamslash | would adjusting the sample rate in pulse fix it> |
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| 02:49.04 | maddawg2 | just converted to debian from ubuntu 16.04 |
| 02:49.11 | maddawg2 | much better i might say |
| 02:49.22 | maddawg2 | much faster gui too |
| 02:49.31 | maddawg2 | tho annoying sudo isnt there by default nor is ifconfig |
| 02:49.37 | maddawg2 | lol |
| 02:49.45 | maddawg2 | odd choice to not include sudo in install |
| 02:49.47 | DaleK5whr | try sudo ifconfig |
| 02:49.55 | DaleK5whr | it's there |
| 02:50.01 | maddawg2 | sudo isnt there by default |
| 02:50.04 | maddawg2 | i had to install it |
| 02:50.11 | DaleK5whr | well after sudo is there |
| 02:50.19 | maddawg2 | that's an odd choice to not include sudo |
| 02:50.23 | maddawg2 | was there a reason for it? |
| 02:50.29 | DaleK5whr | yep |
| 02:50.32 | DaleK5whr | dunno |
| 02:50.33 | maddawg2 | i think it's bad practice to run stuff as root |
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| 02:53.57 | dssence | trying to enable disable integrated gpu on a mac , (1st gen arrandale) , have system-d boot loader instead of grub. can I still place outb commands inside ? |
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| 03:14.52 | k_sze[work] | There is a certain command to make systemd see a new or modified SysV init scripts, right? |
| 03:14.55 | k_sze[work] | I can't remember the name. |
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| 03:16.37 | k_sze[work] | I have a new SysV init.d script, `sudo service --status-all` sees it, but I can't actually start it using either `systemctl start foobar.service` or `service foobar start`. |
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| 03:20.24 | dvs | k_sze[work], update-rc.d |
| 03:20.47 | k_sze[work] | dvs: I think I'm actually looking for `systemctl daemon-reload`? |
| 03:21.07 | dvs | oh, systemd, nevermind. |
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| 03:26.32 | Howdy | guys any books or pdfs or guides you recommend to get video card pass thru on Debian |
| 03:27.14 | brimonk | Hi all, I'm trying to use a program that gives me this error: Qt WebEngine ICU data not found at /home/osboxes/Qt_webinstall/5.7/gcc_64/resources. Trying parent directory..., I just need to know what package I can install to fix this. |
| 03:27.25 | brimonk | Note, that user doesn't exist, I'm running as 'brian' |
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| 03:27.59 | brimonk | Howdy: If you're okay with a YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-AN8E8ADL0 |
| 03:28.50 | Howdy | thanks |
| 03:29.37 | coolpup | brimonk have you peeked at the source before compiling, or the make scripts? could be a hardcoded path |
| 03:30.26 | brimonk | coolpup: I don't think it's hardcoded. I can't look at the program (proprietary), but I know that it works on my desktop. |
| 03:30.33 | brimonk | Both machines run Debian stable. |
| 03:30.57 | coolpup | hrm, what is the program? |
| 03:31.03 | Evidlo | Hello71: at least the distributions, maybe the packages too |
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| 03:31.18 | coolpup | could be an environment variable... I mean... i forgot the term |
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| 03:33.33 | brimonk | Albion Online. It's a game that uses unity for cross-platform stuff. |
| 03:34.11 | brimonk | I get the feeling that since I use like, straight openbox with lightdm, I've never installed gnome dependencies or kde anything, so I don't have any qt libraries. |
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| 04:17.37 | ryouma | i notice that there are various dictionary tools in debian, such as sdcv and stardict and dict. but where are the dictionaries? all i have is things like wordnet and bouvier's and foldoc. wordnet doesn't have the words i want to look up half the time. are there any english dictionaries in debian or out in the world that are any good? |
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| 04:20.42 | mutante | ryouma: i use wiktionary.org |
| 04:21.04 | ryouma | mutante: using a browser? |
| 04:21.09 | mutante | ryouma: yes |
| 04:21.44 | ryouma | i prefer emacs or command line, for some reason (even though i could hack up an emacs command to go directly to that site in a few minutes, tha twould require thiking about it) |
| 04:22.04 | mutante | there are "dictionary words" packages in Debian, but those are for automatic spellchecking and such |
| 04:22.14 | ryouma | mutante: but perhaps that is the best choice, dunno. but i'd also like a few good ja-en an en-ja dictionaries |
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| 04:22.51 | ryouma | and it would be great if they were all accessible with a single program. but perhaps that's just dreaming. |
| 04:22.57 | mutante | ryouma: well, you can use a browser on the command line (and emacs can do anything, right) |
| 04:23.28 | ryouma | i suppose if wikipedia.org uses get method then i can use curl |
| 04:23.30 | mutante | ryouma: an IRC bot that asks wiktionary maybe? TCL script? |
| 04:23.35 | mutante | for eggdrop :) |
| 04:25.02 | ryouma | good idea, but that would encourage me to log into irc when i don't need to |
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| 04:25.46 | ryouma | wiktionary* (i have issues with wp) |
| 04:26.13 | mutante | the community is much nicer.. because it's tiny compared to WP |
| 04:26.52 | mutante | yet they have tons of words, including slang, and every word of every language in every language has a separate page, even plurals etc |
| 04:27.47 | ryouma | great |
| 04:27.49 | ryouma | also less chance for bias in most words i'd imagine |
| 04:27.50 | mutante | lots of editing is semi-automatic, aided by tools and bots. what it really is an API to query it |
| 04:28.08 | ryouma | s/is/needs/? |
| 04:28.09 | mutante | *what it needs |
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| 04:28.48 | ryouma | so yeah if we could hook it into dict(1) or somethign that would be cool |
| 04:29.21 | mutante | i'm afraid you'd have to screen scrape..but the good part is, it is all pretty structured and using templates, all pages the same way, unlike Wikipedia articles |
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| 04:29.56 | mutante | sorry, i think it's getting offtopic for Debian, but that was what i had for dictiories |
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| 04:30.23 | ryouma | thanks |
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| 06:46.13 | tvm | k_sze[work]: check your resolv.conf or use nslookup |
| 06:46.49 | k_sze[work] | tvm: /etc/resolv.conf can still be trusted? I thought it's no longer used on Debian or Ubuntu or something. I can't remember very well. |
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| 06:47.37 | themill | that's what everything use glibc's resolver is using |
| 06:49.58 | tvm | plain nslookup will show what server it had used for resolving |
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| 08:07.39 | tobiasBora | Hello ! |
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| 08:08.50 | tobiasBora | I would like to know, usually building a .deb makes me crazy, but I just saw a program, "checkinstall" that can generate a .deb from a "make install" like configuration. |
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| 08:09.28 | tobiasBora | Is the generated package usable to share, or is it only for the current session ? Does it triggers depends ? |
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| 08:14.35 | TomTomTo1 | you can share the generated package with other machines, but you will have to install the dependencies manually first or pass them as an argument to checkinstall using --requires |
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| 08:22.35 | no_gravity | Whats up on this wonderful Thursday morning everybody? What could be a good name for a command line parameter that tells a script where to send the output to? Currently I call it "command": "myscript.sh command=clipboard" or "myscript.sh command=screen". But "command" does not seem the perfect choice to me. |
| 08:23.45 | no_gravity | Maybe "target". |
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| 08:24.31 | angor | it's up to you, isn't it? |
| 08:25.21 | angor | you can skip any word, just use $1 in the script |
| 08:25.46 | no_gravity | I think target is ok. |
| 08:26.57 | angor | are you searching for good keyword? :) why you need word here? |
| 08:27.21 | no_gravity | It's the name of the command line argument. |
| 08:27.22 | angor | -o|--output <parm> |
| 08:27.36 | no_gravity | Yeah, "output" would be another option. |
| 08:28.05 | no_gravity | Although that sounds a bit like it would take a filename. |
| 08:28.14 | angor | that's just $1 $2 for the script |
| 08:29.04 | tobiasBora | TomTomTo1: Great thank you ! |
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| 08:29.37 | tobiasBora | Is checkinstall the best way to automatiquely build .deb from source and share them ? |
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| 08:30.57 | tobiasBora | And does someone knows how to do "weak escape" in string ? I mean, I would like to run a command store in a variable : $(command) |
| 08:31.15 | tobiasBora | where command="ffmpeg -i $myfile ..." |
| 08:31.27 | angor | no_gravity: excuse me, I really don't understand why do you want to have "keyword=something" here... |
| 08:31.48 | no_gravity | angor: Which part of "keyword=something" don't you understand? |
| 08:31.58 | angor | "keyword=something" |
| 08:32.18 | angor | why not "myscript.sh <something>" |
| 08:32.44 | no_gravity | angor: The script takes a lot of optional parameters. target=clipboard is just one of them. |
| 08:32.45 | angor | why not "myscript.sh <-something1> <something2>" |
| 08:33.17 | angor | why you don't use "-o opt" syntax? |
| 08:33.51 | angor | -f file -o output -a aaaa -b bbbb, etc |
| 08:33.54 | tobiasBora | the problem is that if myfile contains space like in myfile="foo bar.MOV", then ffmpeg will try to find the file "foo" which is absurd. I tried to put command="ffmpeg -i \"$myfile\" ..." but now the " is seen as the char " so ffmpeg tried to find the video "foo which is absolutely not what I'm looking for. Any idea ? |
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| 08:36.08 | angor | tobiasBora: did you try "eval $command" (I'm not sure if that helps)? |
| 08:37.12 | angor | what "echo $command" shows? |
| 08:37.53 | tobiasBora | angor: Great it works, thank you ! |
| 08:38.11 | tobiasBora | Before it didn't work because I was running echo "$command" |
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| 08:38.44 | angor | you'll have to run just "$command" |
| 08:38.54 | no_gravity | angor: Because I use "myscript.sh target=clipboard" syntax. |
| 08:39.25 | angor | no_gravity: so you'll have to parse $1... |
| 08:39.41 | angor | instead of just using $2 and shift 2 |
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| 08:40.32 | no_gravity | angor: No $1. Deep down, my CLI library uses $argv[...]. But the script itself uses CLI::get('target'); |
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| 08:40.57 | angor | is this Perl? |
| 08:41.03 | no_gravity | PHP |
| 08:41.28 | angor | so, incorrect question from you.. (myscript.sh shows SHELL script) |
| 08:41.39 | no_gravity | It runs in the shell. |
| 08:41.53 | angor | nope |
| 08:42.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiddos⦠|
| 08:42.23 | no_gravity | angor: It seems you confuse shell (aka the terminal) with bash (the language). |
| 08:42.52 | angor | .sh shows shell script (bash, sh, ksh, etc) |
| 08:43.14 | angor | isn't it? :) |
| 08:43.27 | no_gravity | No, it is not saying anything about the language. |
| 08:43.31 | angor | at least, I called all my script in such way.. |
| 08:43.34 | no_gravity | The language is defined in the script. |
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| 08:43.40 | angor | head -1 |
| 08:43.49 | angor | #!/bin/<shell> |
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| 08:44.13 | no_gravity | No. Not <shell> but <interpreter>. |
| 08:44.53 | TomTomTo1 | didn't know the sh in bash stood for interpreter ^^ |
| 08:45.34 | angor | no_gravity: "A Unix shell is a command-line interpreter or shell" (wiki) |
| 08:46.24 | angor | TomTomTo1: why only bash? |
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| 08:46.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, the one in tcsh is also short for "interpreter" |
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| 08:47.20 | no_gravity | angor: Carefully read through this: http://linuxcommand.org/wss0010.php |
| 08:47.25 | TomTomTo1 | angor: who said only?! |
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| 08:48.12 | angor | TomTomTo1: ok, got you... :) of course, for interpreter (bash, ksh, etc) .sh says nothing :) |
| 08:48.36 | angor | it's just for somebody.. |
| 08:49.10 | angor | same as .xlsx says nothing for the shell,,, until you configure it |
| 08:49.46 | angor | but i think bad idea to use myscript.sh for php script... isn't it? |
| 08:49.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 08:49.57 | TomTomTo1 | it's weird. |
| 08:50.20 | angor | sorry for misundeerstanding.. |
| 08:50.31 | angor | English is not my best side :D |
| 08:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | although recommendation (not sure where I got it from, though) is anyway not to use .sh or so for executables⦠because it doesn't really matter to the user and you could even re-implement at some time in some other language |
| 08:51.18 | no_gravity | CutMeOwnThroat: ".sh" is not the language. |
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| 08:51.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | no_gravity, not for you⦠but for everyone else ".sh" indicates "shell" |
| 08:51.47 | no_gravity | CutMeOwnThroat: "shell" is a language? |
| 08:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think we got that settled |
| 08:52.39 | angor | "shell" indicates one of shell languages |
| 08:52.54 | no_gravity | angor: citation needed. |
| 08:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | or actually even indicates something that would run with /bin/sh |
| 08:53.08 | angor | head -1 file.sh - you'll see which one |
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| 08:54.04 | no_gravity | Yup. Bash,PHP,Perl,Python... |
| 08:54.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe we should move that to ##philosophy |
| 08:54.27 | angor | .pl for Perl, .py for Python, .php for PHP... |
| 08:54.51 | angor | .sh for bash ksh sh ... etc |
| 08:55.07 | no_gravity | angor: citation needed. |
| 08:55.11 | angor | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm math, so I hate philosophy |
| 08:55.20 | TomTomTo1 | no_gravity: that is common practice. |
| 08:55.26 | angor | no_gravity: turn on the logic |
| 08:55.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | no_gravity, just run find / -name \*.pl -o -name \*.sh and so on and exclude your own scripts |
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| 08:56.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | angor, I mean this is pretty pointless⦠for all the fuck that I care, he can call his shell scripts .pl, his python scripts .php and his php scripts .sh |
| 08:56.24 | no_gravity | CutMeOwnThroat: You run a find on all the .sh scripts on your machine and grep which ones are PHP,Perl,Python etc. |
| 08:56.27 | TomTomTo1 | no_gravity: you can name your own scripts however you like, nobody cares, but those are the naming conventions. |
| 08:56.41 | angor | yep, "naming conventions" |
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| 08:57.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | angor, of course it would confuse the heck out of anyone⦠but we don't have to go on for another hour persuading him about it *shrug* |
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| 08:57.54 | no_gravity | Ok, I think we got it settled. |
| 08:58.06 | no_gravity | Thanks for all your input! Cu next time! |
| 08:58.07 | angor | done :) |
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| 08:58.49 | angor | I'm writing a lot of scripts... and names are "something.sh"... |
| 08:59.39 | TomTomTo1 | i usually start mine with something rude but that's optional. |
| 08:59.46 | TomTomTo1 | ^^ |
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| 09:00.35 | Ticho | just give them an .exe suffix, that's rude enough |
| 09:00.42 | angor | :) |
| 09:00.59 | pingfloyd | why give any suffix at all? |
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| 09:01.04 | pingfloyd | this isn't windows |
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| 09:01.20 | angor | pingfloyd: because we have a lot of files in the same directory |
| 09:01.38 | angor | .doc, .zip, .xlsx, .txt .... |
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| 09:03.56 | angor | people who run my scripts are not a pro in *nix.. |
| 09:04.07 | Shadur | Also, we sometimes interact with people who do use windows. Why not be good considerate neighbours? |
| 09:04.13 | angor | they often even not adv. in Linux.. |
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| 09:05.16 | themill | In which case the implementation detail of what language the script is written in should not concern them at all. |
| 09:06.16 | angor | .sh indicates "script which I have to run" for them |
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| 09:06.28 | Cynede | hi |
| 09:06.36 | themill | better make sure you don't decide to rewrite it in python later on then |
| 09:06.38 | angor | not all of them know what "+x" means |
| 09:07.03 | themill | there's also a reason why executables live in separate directories and why a PATH exists |
| 09:07.14 | angor | nope, I will not use python for such scripts.. |
| 09:07.19 | Cynede | can Jessie be updated to newer testing release without reinstall? |
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| 09:08.01 | angor | themill: we have 500+ clients.... do you think spider-$client will be good in just "one directory"? |
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| 09:09.06 | angor | sometimes, client has several brands... and how to find it in such BIG directory? |
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| 09:10.17 | themill | I think it sounds like you're reinventing some interesting wheels and a bit more time designing would make life a lot better for everyone |
| 09:10.20 | angor | our SW binaries placed in the $PATH... |
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| 09:12.41 | angor | IAC, this is not my decision... this is company's practice: client-related files should be stored under client's directory.. |
| 09:13.05 | pingfloyd | so you're reinforcing their practices of being in the dark |
| 09:15.00 | angor | mmm.. I have "2 users" in the "w" output, but I can see only one user (me)... why? who is the 2nd? |
| 09:15.07 | angor | debian 8.x (latest) |
| 09:15.19 | angor | "who" whows only me |
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| 09:16.00 | jusss | can xrand over network? |
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| 09:16.39 | jusss | like I have two computers, and can I use xrand to connect they screen? |
| 09:16.50 | pingfloyd | angor: http://www.daedtech.com/how-developers-stop-learning-rise-of-the-expert-beginner/ |
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| 09:17.14 | jusss | their |
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| 09:19.21 | angor | pingfloyd: I'm not a dev.. |
| 09:19.31 | pingfloyd | doesn't matter |
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| 09:19.51 | pingfloyd | it applies to just about any skill |
| 09:20.04 | angor | my primary education is math... but now I'm working as "admin+dev+QA" |
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| 10:46.01 | h8R | hello, guys! I'm learning Kivy and I tried to make .exe from a simple (less than 5 lines) kivy script with pyinstaller. Building seems to be ok, but when I try to run the .exe with wine i got this error: "raise Exception('SDL2: Unable to load image') [CRITICAL] [App ] Unable to get a Window, abort." I'm not using any images in my code and I don't have windows env to test the exe there. Any ideas where to check first ? |
| 10:47.00 | MaBunny | ask in #kivy |
| 10:48.14 | MaBunny | or #wine maybe |
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| 10:54.49 | h8R | oh, sorry, wrong channel :D |
| 10:54.54 | h8R | MaBunny, thanks! |
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| 10:59.02 | crazythings | i've got a headless debian install on a 4 G sd and now it's full. is debian that big or something is wrong? |
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| 10:59.37 | OS-25099 | hi |
| 10:59.52 | OS-25099 | Unable to connect with windows 7 |
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| 11:00.46 | MaBunny | crazythings, uninstall some programs |
| 11:00.52 | MaBunny | n check the cache |
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| 11:02.19 | MaBunny | mozilla eats too much space |
| 11:03.11 | at0m | crazythings: du /var/cache/apt/archives/, that could waste some. |
| 11:03.17 | at0m | and /var/log |
| 11:03.25 | at0m | these can build up over time |
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| 11:05.56 | crazythings | if i check / with du i discover that i'm using 1 G |
| 11:06.07 | crazythings | but if i df i get 100% disk usage on 4 G... |
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| 11:06.37 | h8R | crazythings, i use ncdu - very nice tool to find large files on filesystem |
| 11:07.00 | h8R | crazythings, also try apt-get clean (to remove cached .deb files) |
| 11:07.02 | crazythings | i think it's some kind of fs issue |
| 11:08.59 | crazythings | nvm /lib helped to reach the 4th G |
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| 11:09.20 | crazythings | but clean debian headless require 3 G now? X_X |
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| 11:16.28 | ticho_ | Is there a command line calendar that can get me a single row display like https://scrot.moe/image/5mdA ? |
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| 11:43.35 | adsf_ | hi, is there any way to join debian dev? |
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| 11:44.39 | MaBunny | adsf_, join #debian in irc.oftc.net |
| 11:44.48 | MaBunny | they will tell you |
| 11:45.09 | adsf_ | oh thank you, looks like i was in wrong irc |
| 11:45.20 | MaBunny | ticho_, cal ? |
| 11:45.37 | MaBunny | adsf_, :) |
| 11:45.51 | adsf_ | MaBunny, :) |
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| 11:49.43 | Ticho | wow, who is using my alt nick? :) |
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| 11:57.45 | ticho_ | MaBunny, example? |
| 11:58.06 | ticho_ | Ticho, so sorry man. |
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| 11:58.20 | MaBunny | just type cal |
| 12:02.46 | Ticho | ticho_: /usr/bin/cal is a program in bsdmainutils package |
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| 12:03.02 | Ticho | "man cal" to get more info about it |
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| 12:04.01 | ticho_ | Ok, I do know about cal, ncal, gcal, the question was more specific... |
| 12:04.14 | jusss | is there other virtual keyboard except florence? |
| 12:07.35 | jusss | florence's alt key always make the keyboard don't work |
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| 12:44.10 | MaBunny | ticho_, ask in ##linux |
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| 12:59.41 | duper | Is there a command to list all uninstalled packages? i.e. the inverse of dpkg -l |
| 13:00.15 | candidat | apt-get install girlfriend |
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| 13:02.38 | jelly | duper: you can do it with aptitude's search syntax, but what purpose would that serve? |
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| 13:04.16 | xsmltx | Hi, anyone can help me to set up an ethernet to usb adapter TP-LINK UE300 Realtek RTL8153 chipset? Thank you |
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| 13:05.44 | candidat | xsmltx, there is no tutorial ? |
| 13:06.11 | xsmltx | At least me, can't find one, candidat... |
| 13:06.23 | candidat | me too |
| 13:06.27 | xsmltx | :) |
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| 13:06.30 | candidat | =) |
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| 13:25.51 | debbly | hi |
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| 13:26.26 | debbly | I got a tar.xz file and I want to extract only a specific file! There are some examples out there, but they don't appear to work with this specific case of a tar.xz file :) |
| 13:26.51 | debbly | tar x --file=input.tar.xz the-file-I-want |
| 13:26.58 | debbly | Not found in archive. |
| 13:27.01 | debbly | hmmm |
| 13:27.10 | debbly | I guess it first has to extract the xz, too to get the file, not just the tar |
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| 13:27.21 | debbly | oh, the other way around I mean |
| 13:27.28 | debbly | first the xz, then the tar and then finally getting that file out |
| 13:27.53 | jelly | debbly: look at the output of "tar tvf input.tar.xz" and verify the path you're looking for is actually present |
| 13:28.26 | debbly | ah , I see |
| 13:28.31 | debbly | there is a folder with a new name |
| 13:29.40 | jelly | you need to specify the exact path. |
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| 13:34.00 | Hello71 | also, "tar x --file" |
| 13:34.04 | duper | jelly: so when I have a shell script that installs various packages.. I don't attempt to re-install packages that are already installed.. |
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| 13:34.45 | duper | jelly: would this work? diff'ing the output of: apt-cache search '' and dpkg -l |
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| 13:37.42 | zykotick9 | duper: if you use remove and not purge, "dpkg -l | grep ^rc" will show you _some_ of what you removed... |
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| 13:41.43 | jelly | duper: no idea... use aptitude |
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| 13:42.48 | airking | I'm trying to install neovim, but apt-get says it cannot find the package |
| 13:42.58 | jelly | ,v neovim |
| 13:42.59 | judd | Package: neovim on amd64 -- stretch: 0.1.5-4; sid: 0.1.6-2 |
| 13:43.00 | airking | I can find it on packages.debian.org though |
| 13:43.07 | airking | ^ |
| 13:43.18 | jelly | airking: only in testing and unstable branches. |
| 13:43.35 | airking | ah |
| 13:43.52 | jelly | it will likely be present in the upcoming release |
| 13:46.10 | airking | jelly: I would need to edit sources.list to add the testing repo, right? |
| 13:46.59 | airking | Can I have repo's from multiple mirrors? This server runs on digital ocean and uses their mirror for wheezy main, can I add the us.debian.org testing repo as well? or will that cause problems? |
| 13:47.02 | zykotick9 | dpkg tell airking about frankendebian |
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| 13:48.27 | uniTosch | Mixing releases will likely break your system. |
| 13:48.43 | uniTosch | ,checkbackport neovim |
| 13:48.50 | airking | I'm just trying to install one package, how can I do that without breaking my whole system? |
| 13:48.52 | judd | Backporting package neovim in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libmsgpack-dev (>= 1.0.0), libnss-wrapper <!nocheck>, libtermkey-dev, libunibilium-dev, libvterm-dev, lua-busted <!nocheck>, lua-mpack, lua-nvim [alpha amd64 armel armhf hppa i386 mips mips64el mipsel powerpc ppc64el sparc64 x32] <!nocheck>. |
| 13:48.59 | jelly | airking: you can't |
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| 13:50.32 | jelly | uniTosch: and worse, it's to wheezy from sid (or stretch) |
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| 13:51.07 | airking | So there is no way for me to install this |
| 13:51.10 | airking | without breaking things |
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| 13:52.30 | uniTosch | Not through the package manager. You can build it if you like, but that's likely not that easy in wheezy based on the output of judd |
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| 13:54.20 | jelly | airking: correct |
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| 13:56.49 | jelly | install the editor on your local machine, then mount the remote system and edit files there or use an editor capable of sftp |
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| 14:06.15 | Hello71 | Evidlo: dunno. there's probably something on debian wiki. |
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| 15:00.23 | sep | i am trying to deactivete a lvm lv/vg/pv with vgchange -a n ; but even after that lvm vgs shows the lv info. i need to stop the vg to get access to modify the partition table. since they are locked in parted. how can i unload the vg volumes |
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| 15:14.46 | Achylles | Guys could you help our campaign for pressing the Brazilian government not to change the Government public Institution from using GNU/Linux to Windows? Please, sign in this petition, if you can and spread to wherever country and language you happen to know. Thx |
| 15:14.51 | Achylles | https://secure.avaaz.org/po/petition/Governo_Federal_Nao_trocar_Linux_por_Windows/?tzQCmlb |
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| 15:15.50 | stew | Achylles: please do not spam this channel |
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| 15:16.06 | Achylles | stew, it is not a spam |
| 15:16.41 | stew | Achylles: this channel is for debian support only, please keep it on topic, we consider what you are doing spam and arguing over whether or not it is isn't realy worth it |
| 15:16.42 | Achylles | it is a serious thing going down here... Check it out if you can... |
| 15:16.56 | Achylles | ok |
| 15:16.59 | Achylles | sorry |
| 15:17.09 | Achylles | where is debian-off topic |
| 15:17.37 | stew | Achylles: the topic would tell you that debian-off toipc is in #debian-offtopic |
| 15:17.38 | uniTosch | In #debian-offtopic ^^ |
| 15:17.48 | Achylles | thx |
| 15:17.49 | teraflops | â there |
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| 15:29.48 | jorgee | hello there, please, can somebody clarify an "ugly detail" about lvm2 ? |
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| 15:33.39 | jelly | dpkg, tell jorgee about ... eh |
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| 15:58.45 | adac | Please choose the web server that should be automatically configured to run |
| 15:58.45 | adac | d-push. |
| 15:58.45 | adac | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.04 | adac | can I somehow automatically select apache2 here? |
| 15:59.10 | adac | Or skip this |
| 15:59.27 | petn-randall | adac: This output comes from where exactly? |
| 15:59.57 | adac | apt-get install -y --force-yes d-push |
| 16:00.03 | adac | petn-randall, |
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| 16:01.14 | zmitya | hi guys |
| 16:01.14 | zmitya | is it a way to ask systemd to print out the service uptime in seconds ? |
| 16:01.14 | zmitya | to get it parsed by a script easier |
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| 16:01.51 | petn-randall | adac: Do you have both installed? |
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| 16:03.10 | adac | petn-randall, nope, not at all. only apache 2 |
| 16:04.23 | petn-randall | ,v d-push |
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| 16:04.24 | judd | Package: d-push on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0-1.1; jessie: 2.0.7-1; sid: 2.0.7-1 |
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| 16:05.06 | petn-randall | adac: You can permanently change any questions by running 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow debconf', and select the non-interactive option. |
| 16:05.24 | adac | dpkg-query: package 'lighttpd' is not installed and no information is available |
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| 16:05.51 | adac | petn-randall, can I do this no-interactively as well? :) |
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| 16:06.26 | petn-randall | adac: Are you using some kind of config management? |
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| 16:07.47 | adac | petn-randall, I'm with docker. Found out that DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive helps |
| 16:07.57 | adac | RUN DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y -q package |
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| 16:25.12 | nmschulte | Has anyone setup dm-cache outside of LVM? I have an HDD + small SSD I'd like to setup w/ caching. I'd prefer to not have to re-tool the HDD/partition, though. |
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| 16:36.29 | frostschutz | nmschulte, why not lvm? gives you lvmcache and less headache than most |
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| 16:42.43 | Guest69091 | hi |
| 16:42.58 | Guest69091 | is anyone using amdgpu driver here? |
| 16:43.24 | Guest69091 | i have a probleem configuring it in a laptop |
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| 16:44.17 | Guest69091 | I've read through man amdgpu but doesn't seem to have an option to addjust brightness |
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| 16:44.54 | Guest69091 | I know theres a way to do it but cant find solution |
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| 16:45.21 | Guest69091 | and I dont wanna mess instaling the propietary driver |
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| 16:45.46 | Guest69091 | because im using 4.7 kernel |
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| 16:47.33 | Bonn333 | Hello guys ;-) |
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| 16:49.58 | Guest69091 | hi there |
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| 16:55.20 | zh1 | using 0.9.5 on https://packages.debian.org/jessie/gpa it only generates keys to 3072, there is 0.9.9 on ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/gpa/ could the repos be updated? |
| 16:55.48 | jelly | ,v gpa |
| 16:55.49 | judd | Package: gpa on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.0-4; jessie: 0.9.5-2+deb8u1; sid: 0.9.9-4; stretch: 0.9.9-4 |
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| 16:56.23 | gebruiker | !release stretch |
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| 16:56.43 | jelly | zh1: it won't be updated in jessie unless there's a serious security or usability issue. You can do a local backport build, perhaps. |
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| 16:58.02 | jelly | judd: checkbackport gpa |
| 16:58.02 | jelly | gebruiker: what are you trying to ask the bot? |
| 16:58.03 | judd | Backporting package gpa in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 16:58.31 | jelly | gebruiker: /msg dpkg stretch freeze |
| 16:58.35 | jelly | gebruiker: /msg dpkg wwsr |
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| 16:59.51 | jelly | zh1: the bot has a terse recipe on how to make backported .deb packages, ask it: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 17:06.49 | jhutchins | Guest69091: Such settings are often handled by xrandr. |
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| 17:07.25 | jhutchins | Guest69091: Or by whatever your desktop uses to configure power usage/savings. |
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| 17:10.15 | zh1 | jelly, i noticed that all versions have 3072 :( |
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| 17:11.57 | r4z | Hello! |
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| 17:12.59 | r4z | anyone can provide the deb-src link to install clang 4.0 on debian jessie? |
| 17:13.11 | Guest69091 | im using debian base and i3wm |
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| 17:15.05 | jelly | r4z: deb-src is not for installing anything, it's for getting sources to build (installable) binary packages |
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| 17:15.48 | r4z | yeah, I mean the deb-src for get the clang 4.0 package |
| 17:16.04 | jelly | that's not what deb-src is for! |
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| 17:17.17 | jelly | you probably mean "a sources.list deb line for a repo containing clang 4.0 packages, built for jessie" |
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| 17:17.40 | jelly | deb-src is a completely different thing that also goes into sources.list |
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| 17:18.20 | jelly | r4z: there is no official build of clang 4 for jessie yet, it's not even in unstable branch yet |
| 17:18.24 | jelly | ,v clang |
| 17:18.25 | judd | Package: clang on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.0-6.2; jessie: 1:3.5-25; stretch: 1:3.8-34; sid: 1:3.8-34 |
| 17:18.41 | jelly | !deb-src |
| 17:18.41 | dpkg | 'deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie|stretch|sid] main contrib non-free' (for example), replace with your own for a local mirror. Ask me about <source> for some information about how to build stuff, make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need to have linux-headers-$(uname -r) (if using a Debian kernel) and the libc6-dev packages installed. |
| 17:18.59 | jelly | sorry, that doesn't explain anything |
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| 17:20.00 | Ke | # CONFIG_RTL8XXXU is not set in stretch stock kernel, is there some reason to this? |
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| 17:21.19 | r4z | well, let me see if I can avoid an x/y problem |
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| 17:22.18 | TomTomTosch | clang-4.0 is in sid, it's just not the default clang. is backporting it your intention? |
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| 17:22.31 | jelly | ,v clang-4.0 |
| 17:22.32 | judd | Package: clang-4.0 on amd64 -- sid: 1:4.0~svn279916-1 |
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| 17:22.45 | r4z | i need to compile something with clang, it uses c++11 features. |
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| 17:23.20 | r4z | but whenever i try to compile it I get: error: 'initializer_list' file not found |
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| 17:23.40 | r4z | my current version of clang is 3.5 |
| 17:23.46 | jelly | that version doesn't exactly spell "release" |
| 17:23.46 | Venker | hi people |
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| 17:24.16 | r4z | and i looked for those files and they exist |
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| 17:25.09 | jelly | thought g++ in jessie had c++11 and parts of c++14 |
| 17:25.12 | TomTomTosch | c++11 is fully implemented in clang since 3.3 |
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| 17:27.00 | TomTomTosch | obviously with the -std=c++11 added. |
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| 17:35.41 | wm4 | how do I compile a kernel after this breakage https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=835148#62 |
| 17:35.43 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/835148 in gcc-6 (closed, patch): «gcc-6: please enable PIE hardening flags by default on amd64 ppc64el and s390x»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-08-22; last modified: 2016-10-22. |
| 17:36.02 | wm4 | my current command line is: fakeroot make-kpkg -j 4 --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 17:36.34 | jelly | wm4: which debian release are you using? |
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| 17:37.26 | wm4 | jelly: debian unstable |
| 17:37.41 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 17:37.42 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:37.44 | jelly | ^^ ask there |
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| 17:38.39 | wm4 | fuck |
| 17:40.12 | jelly | but it seems to be an upstream issue |
| 17:40.51 | disi | why do i have like 50 network interfaces? i cant even get to the lock button anymore! XD |
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| 17:42.18 | jelly | wm4: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9388723/ |
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| 17:42.42 | disi | they are mostly vethXXXXXXX |
| 17:42.57 | disi | where X is hex |
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| 17:44.02 | r4z | I have used -std=c++11 but still got the "initializer_list" not found. Does anyone have any idea what could be the problem? |
| 17:44.37 | wm4 | jelly: I'm using 4.4.30 |
| 17:44.39 | wm4 | that still fails |
| 17:45.08 | wm4 | I can't believe debian just broke it, apparently chose not to fix it, and is now probably causing countless of users to waste time on this (or at least myself) |
| 17:45.31 | jelly | yeah, countless users of unstable that build their own kernels |
| 17:45.58 | ryouma | i did "aptitude reinstall systemd" and it worked fine. as a precaution, i did a diff on ps output. i notice that "/lib/systemd/systemd --system --deserialize" is now running, while "/sbin/init" is NO LONGER running. just want to be sure i will be able to reboot. is /sbin/init ok to not run? |
| 17:46.49 | jelly | wm4: it's unstable. It's meant to break now and then, and that particular default setting will bring more good than harm in the long run |
| 17:47.13 | jelly | wm4: look at the whole thread, maybe you'll find something useful https://www.google.com/search?domains=lkml.org&q=%22%5BRFC+PATCH%5D+kbuild%3A+add+-fno-PIE%22 |
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| 17:47.50 | simbalion` | Hi, I've got a script in /etc/cron.daily that calls 3 other scripts. It runs fine if I execute it manually but it doesn't seem to be running on it's own. Is there a log that might reveal why? |
| 17:47.50 | wm4 | calling it "unstable" seems like a rather lame excuse considering it's effectively used as rolling distro |
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| 17:51.36 | jelly | wm4: if someone's using it as a "rolling distro" they haven't read the instructions |
| 17:51.40 | jelly | !sid faq |
| 17:51.41 | dpkg | http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>. |
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| 17:52.14 | disi | woah, ive not heard that before |
| 17:52.57 | th0r | doesn't a rant about unstable belong in unstable? |
| 17:53.02 | ryouma | afaiik this channel supports stable |
| 17:53.29 | ryouma | am i going to be able to reboot if /sbin/init is not running? |
| 17:53.35 | jelly | wm4: apparently the latest version of the patch isn't on lkml for some reason https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-kbuild/msg13608.html |
| 17:53.35 | jelly | hunt around there. |
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| 17:53.55 | wm4 | I can't find the "gcc" package on the debian ftp, where is it? |
| 17:53.58 | jelly | some beliefs are worth dispelling here even if it's not technically the right place |
| 17:54.00 | wm4 | I see other gcc-... packages |
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| 17:56.36 | TomTomTosch | it's gcc_<version>-<arch>.deb in debian/pool/main/g/gcc-defaults/ |
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| 17:58.01 | wm4 | does debian keep a log of which packages were upgraded over which? i.e. I want to find out which package was previously installed |
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| 18:01.04 | jelly | wm4: what is the problem you're trying to solve? dpkg and apt keep logs under /var/log/ |
| 18:01.44 | jelly | again, if you're running unstable this is not the right place to ask things, go visit OFTC network and #debian-next there |
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| 18:10.34 | wm4 | so what's the debian way of listing what versions of a package were installed previously, and how do you downgrade to that version |
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| 18:21.27 | jelly | wm4: logs will show you previous versions. Downgrades, in general, are not supported. Purging the package and installing a specific version (from, say, snapshot.debian.org) may work. If you're asking those kinds of questions you should probably reconsider using unstable, and become more acquainted with Debian first |
| 18:21.58 | wm4 | I've been debian for over 10 years or so |
| 18:22.02 | wm4 | +using |
| 18:22.22 | wm4 | using stable or even testing never worked for me |
| 18:22.31 | th0r | and complaining because unstable is unstable |
| 18:22.58 | jelly | that can happen if you don't pick your hardware platform carefully |
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| 18:23.51 | wm4 | nice try |
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| 18:27.51 | jelly | buys hardware that debian works well on, and for some reason that always seems to be at least 1 generation behind the latest on the market |
| 18:27.51 | jelly | otherwise you end up having to hack things, or having to use backports |
| 18:28.56 | wm4 | my problem isn't with hardware |
| 18:29.09 | wm4 | except for the need of binary nvidia drivers |
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| 18:47.09 | no_gravity | Is there a way to have something in crontab execute every 45s ? |
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| 18:49.45 | missmbob | no_gravity: on does minutes. you should create a bash script with a loop (sleep 45) if that's what you want |
| 18:49.50 | missmbob | only* |
| 18:50.00 | no_gravity | missmbob: And let that run endlessly? |
| 18:50.09 | missmbob | yes |
| 18:50.23 | no_gravity | How do I make sure it get's started on reboot? |
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| 18:50.53 | missmbob | you can add the main script to @reboot in crontab |
| 18:51.04 | missmbob | that way it runs on bootup |
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| 18:52.30 | no_gravity | Not sure hwat you mean |
| 18:52.56 | missmbob | @reboot is special in crontab. it tells it to run it on bootup instead of dealing with the * * * * * at the start |
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| 18:53.38 | jelly | no_gravity: how precise does that 45s delay have to be? |
| 18:53.47 | no_gravity | jelly: Not very. |
| 18:54.22 | no_gravity | missmbob: So I would just put this line in cron? "@reboot /some/where/myscript.sh" ? |
| 18:54.39 | jelly | no_gravity: set up a cron job that runs every 3 minutes. make it run your thing 4 times, with a (45 second - avg time of running) delay between each |
| 18:55.06 | no_gravity | jelly: Yeah... that would work too. |
| 18:55.10 | no_gravity | I tend to do the long running while loop though. |
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| 18:55.18 | jhutchins | wm4: Sounds like you should have made a backup before running an update. That's always been recommended for testing and sid. |
| 18:55.22 | no_gravity | Has the benefit that it will never run two instances in parallel. |
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| 18:56.23 | wm4 | jhutchins: nothing actually broke as far as my running system is concerned and "making a backup" wouldn't have fixed the problem |
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| 18:56.50 | jhutchins | wm4: That's the only way to downgrade to a previous state. |
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| 18:57.15 | jelly | no_gravity: that can break too easily, and will make the run times skew |
| 18:57.55 | no_gravity | Another option would be to make it 30s by having it in crontab twice. Once with "sleep 30 && myscript.sh" |
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| 18:58.17 | no_gravity | I don't need exact 45s. |
| 18:58.33 | no_gravity | It's just that I need it to run a bit more often then every minute. |
| 19:00.00 | no_gravity | Trying that solution now. |
| 19:01.35 | no_gravity | Seems to work. |
| 19:02.10 | no_gravity | Wonder if all the waiting has any negative impact on the system? |
| 19:02.25 | jelly | not an observable one |
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| 19:02.48 | no_gravity | Will cron wait for the "sleep 30 && myscript.sh" or does it launch it in the background? |
| 19:02.56 | jelly | you will have an extra cron process and an extra sleep process running half the time |
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| 19:03.41 | jelly | and an extra shell if cron decides && is shell syntax |
| 19:04.02 | no_gravity | I see. |
| 19:04.13 | no_gravity | Can I see that in ps aux? |
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| 19:05.19 | no_gravity | "ps aux | grep sleep" shows the sleeping process. |
| 19:06.01 | no_gravity | Yeah, seems to run via /bin/sh so its a shell I guess. |
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| 19:06.17 | jelly | yes |
| 19:06.17 | jelly | pstree is also fun. |
| 19:06.17 | jelly | eg. pstree -Apa $(pgrep -P1 -uroot cron) |
| 19:06.46 | no_gravity | Well, yeah that shows me ... something ... |
| 19:06.50 | no_gravity | Feels a bit stup |
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| 19:07.07 | no_gravity | Feels a bit stupit to have a process half of the time just to implement a timer... |
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| 19:09.41 | jelly | don't overthink it! |
| 19:11.18 | no_gravity | That's what I just thought. |
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| 19:18.26 | jhutchins | Thanks for an opportune reminder to look at what's actually running on my system. pstree does a nice job. System doesn't have bluetooth, doesn't share via samba, turned 'em off. |
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| 19:18.38 | jhutchins | This thing has acquired some kruft over the years. |
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| 19:19.26 | troulouliou_div2 | hi is it possible to upgrade an all new 8.0 debian up to a certain point in date and not up to date |
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| 19:20.28 | greycat | troulouliou_div2: only if you hand-craft a special mirror to act as your package repository |
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| 19:21.06 | troulouliou_div2 | greycat, ok, and just install a specific daemon like apache and all deps to a specific version ? is it possible ? |
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| 19:22.00 | troulouliou_div2 | or the best way is to play with custolm batch around debs parsing / wget to download all the debs |
| 19:22.02 | greycat | If you put the versions of the packages you want into your hand-crafted private mirror, and use that as your only entry in sources.list, then yes, it's possible. There won't be any other choice, so that's what it will use. |
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| 19:22.33 | troulouliou_div2 | greycat, perfect thanks |
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| 19:24.26 | troulouliou_div2 | greycat, this is obsolete ? http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
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| 19:24.35 | jelly | dpkg, tell troulouliou_div2 about snapshot.debian.org |
| 19:24.39 | jelly | it's not obsolete. |
| 19:24.39 | troulouliou_div2 | it seem sit is possible with this method |
| 19:25.01 | troulouliou_div2 | jelly, ok thas what i need perfect thanks |
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| 19:30.45 | jelly | don't forget to use snapshots of all the repos, that means main jessie mirror and security mirror and possibly jessie-updates if you had those enabled |
| 19:30.46 | jelly | troulouliou_div2: however snapshot.d.o service has been somewhat unreliable historically, so it's not a bad idea to make your own copy of a specific date anyway |
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| 19:31.13 | troulouliou_div2 | jelly, ok thanks |
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| 19:42.06 | jrwr | been looking for the bug reports for the PIE/PIC Issue on building kernels |
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| 19:48.00 | missmbob | it's not difficult to type make KCPPFLAGS=-fno-pic deb-pkg instead of make deb-pkg. people need to grow a pair if you want testing/unstable |
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| 20:30.33 | rlange | I run stable with some backports and among them is sbuild. This morning I got a notification that the latest sbuild backport is held from upgrade due to a missing dependency on gnupg >= 2.1. Anyone know if this is a mistake, or if we're finally getting a GnuPG 2.1 backport? |
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| 20:31.27 | greycat | ,v gnupg |
| 20:31.28 | judd | Package: gnupg on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.12-7+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 1.4.12-7+deb7u8; jessie-security: 1.4.18-7+deb8u2; jessie: 1.4.18-7+deb8u3; stretch: 2.1.15-4; sid: 2.1.15-8 |
| 20:31.39 | greycat | Don't see one... |
| 20:31.51 | rlange | BTW, gnupg is not currently in jessie-backports, but I know that sometimes it takes time for a new package to get published. |
| 20:32.54 | rlange | I remember someone on a mailing list saying in Sept or Oct to be patient b/c a backport was imminent. Was hoping someone on here had heard more recent news. |
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| 20:40.58 | tdn | I get a lot of these messages in syslog: "sshd[17685]: syslogin_perform_logout: logout() returned an error" <- What causes this? Are they safe to ignore? |
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| 20:46.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, did you google and find http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/securityfocus/Secure_Shell/2004-05/0024.html |
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| 20:53.21 | tdn | CutMeOwnThroat, I did and I also found that page. However, it is from 2004 and talks about some TTYs missing. I do not think this is relevant on my system. It is pretty plain debian 7. |
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| 20:54.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | so, real hardware, no chroot etc. etc. |
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| 20:55.14 | tdn | real hardware. Only chroot for SFTP, but they should not use TTYs, etc. |
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| 20:55.36 | petn-randall | tdn: What about 1)? Do all those files exist on your system? |
| 20:55.44 | patrickfield | guys, one quick question: I tried adding the getdeb and playdeb repositories and it gave me fetching errors, then i saw they were made for ubuntu. is there a way to make them work on debian? and if not, are there similar repositories that you suggest me? |
| 20:55.47 | tdn | petn-randall, yes they do |
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| 20:56.16 | petn-randall | !tell patrickfield -about frankendebian |
| 20:57.40 | patrickfield | okay i readed about it, thanks petn-randall, so the awnser is a no |
| 20:57.57 | patrickfield | are there any similar repositories that you guys suggest? |
| 20:58.30 | greycat | patrickfield: what package are you trying to get, and what's wrong with the version of it in debian? |
| 21:00.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, wrong version etc, etc. but loginrec.c https://github.com/metacloud/openssh/blob/master/loginrec.c |
| 21:00.07 | patrickfield | i'm just looking for a good debian repository that is up to date with tools, libraries and even open source games |
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| 21:00.18 | greycat | patrickfield: we call that "Debian". |
| 21:00.25 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 21:00.25 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 21:00.42 | cra1g321 | if you want "up-to-date" then i'd look elsewhere than debian stable |
| 21:01.18 | greycat | Never add third party repositories to Debian unless it's a very specific case that you know is SAFE. It's not like Ubuntu. You don't use "PPA"s, whatever the hell those are. |
| 21:01.38 | patrickfield | yeah i saw greycat |
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| 21:30.49 | Stadtpirat | Why is my `/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/php5-fpm.service.d/php5-fpm.conf` file not working? It says right there in `man systemd.unit`: "Along with a unit file foo.service, a directory foo.service.d/ may exist. All files with the suffix '.conf' from this directory will be parsed after the file itself is parsed. This is useful to alter or add configuration settings to a unit, without having to modify their unit files. Make sure that the |
| 21:30.49 | Stadtpirat | file that is included has the appropriate section headers before any directive." This is my php5-fpm.conf: http://pastebin.com/brThm6Xa |
| 21:31.05 | ryouma | patrickfield: the idea is that stable is super-stable, even in the not-changing sense (not just the no bugs sense), and then if you need a newer package, there is backports. and if backports doesn('t work, you ahve to try to backpot something yourself. |
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| 21:47.51 | jak2013 | jmcnaught? |
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| 21:48.25 | RikuKawai | any idea why my wifi signal is way stronger under windows? |
| 21:48.36 | RikuKawai | I'm using an Intel AC 7260 |
| 21:49.38 | RikuKawai | I think it's the transmit power, it's only 22dBm but my card does 30dBm |
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| 21:50.12 | RikuKawai | if I try to go higher, nothing happens |
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| 21:50.29 | RikuKawai | if I go lower I can only go back to 20, any higher and nothing happens |
| 21:51.09 | RikuKawai | my region is set to Canada, and we allow 30dBm on 2.4GHz here, same in the USA, so even if it's defaulting it should work |
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| 21:58.52 | SuperTramp83 | ò |
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| 21:59.27 | RikuKawai | ? |
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| 22:00.46 | Ghostbird | How do I join #debian-next? I get redirected here, but my question is about Debian Testing. |
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| 22:03.04 | gry | Ghostbird: connect to irc.oftc.net instead of chat.freenode.net |
| 22:03.16 | Ghostbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.19 | gry | :) |
| 22:03.21 | Ghostbird | Thanks a bunch |
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| 22:03.29 | RikuKawai | maybe I should ask my question there since I'm on test... |
| 22:03.37 | kian | can anybody help me with this issue? https://i.imgur.com/RwyLT9J.png |
| 22:03.44 | RikuKawai | I don't think it's a test specific issue though |
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| 22:03.52 | kian | its a dedicated server... this partition scheme is kinda wacky and i don't really understand |
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| 22:04.27 | RikuKawai | kian: looks totally normal to me |
| 22:04.31 | stew | kian: seems straight forward, just two volumes, / and a huge /home |
| 22:04.37 | CVTJNII | @kian What's wrong there? |
| 22:04.41 | todd_dsm | hey all, how do you find out which package a program came from? on RH for example there is: rpm -qf `which programName` |
| 22:04.52 | kian | never really paid attention to partition schemes but that didn't really look right to me |
| 22:04.55 | RikuKawai | probably running under a hypervisor even though it's a dedi |
| 22:04.56 | stew | todd_dsm: dpkg -S $(which foo) |
| 22:04.59 | kian | i don't understand how / is 20gb |
| 22:05.03 | kian | i thought / was the entire hard-drive |
| 22:05.06 | kian | ya know, that's where i'm kinda confused |
| 22:05.15 | RikuKawai | so that your provider can let you reimage it |
| 22:05.17 | todd_dsm | thanks uncle stew! |
| 22:05.33 | kian | yeah but for instance how is my /dev/root full |
| 22:05.33 | stew | :) |
| 22:05.38 | RikuKawai | kian: does it have a SSD? |
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| 22:05.42 | kian | for instance that used 11GB is bably web files |
| 22:05.44 | kian | RikuKawai, no |
| 22:05.46 | kian | 2x3TB harddrives |
| 22:05.48 | kian | raid 1 software probably |
| 22:05.57 | kian | but those web-files go on /dev/root instead of /dev/md3? |
| 22:06.32 | stew | kian: wait, what is /dev/root? |
| 22:06.47 | stew | oh nm me |
| 22:06.56 | stew | sorry, i'm looking at the wrong thing |
| 22:07.20 | kian | like does anybody know how this thing works because it beats me |
| 22:07.21 | RikuKawai | you can change nginx/apache settings to store web files within /home |
| 22:07.33 | kian | yeah but should i? |
| 22:07.35 | RikuKawai | does seem a bit silly for it to be separate when there's no SSD |
| 22:07.43 | kian | should i do that instead of messing with partitions? |
| 22:07.46 | RikuKawai | I'd ask your provider about it |
| 22:08.14 | RikuKawai | messing with partitions risks breaking the OS |
| 22:08.15 | kian | i don't really understand how / which HOUSES /home (hierarchy, right??) is 20GB and /home is 3TB |
| 22:08.16 | kian | ?? |
| 22:08.44 | digdilem | kian, run "mount" and see if /home is actually mounted on another drive/partition |
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| 22:09.42 | digdilem | mounting something on something else doesn't magically increase the space on the latter. |
| 22:10.18 | kian | digdilem, https://i.imgur.com/Moejz7S.png |
| 22:10.47 | RikuKawai | kian: http://i.imgur.com/Su10ZVZ.png |
| 22:11.01 | digdilem | yeah, /home is on the array /dev/md3 |
| 22:11.10 | kian | yeah see that is what I would assume is a "normal" partition scheme |
| 22:11.20 | kian | i can't really understand or say i've ever seen anything like this |
| 22:11.22 | digdilem | root is on /dev/md2 which is another array |
| 22:11.26 | RikuKawai | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.38 | kian | digdilem, what do you reckon? |
| 22:11.46 | digdilem | about what? |
| 22:12.27 | cluelessperson | I can't seem to install gstreamer at all in debian |
| 22:12.35 | cluelessperson | can someone possibly assist me and help me understand why? |
| 22:12.38 | RikuKawai | btw everyone knows your non-standard SSH port now |
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| 22:13.33 | TomTomTosch | !tell cluelessperson about bat |
| 22:13.35 | kian | RikuKawai, should be fine lol |
| 22:13.38 | digdilem | kian, if you're struggling to understand mount points, this might help; http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/introduction_to_linux/linux_Mount_points.html |
| 22:13.47 | kian | i don't have password auth enabled for anybody |
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| 22:14.15 | TomTomTosch | cluelessperson: please provide more info. the bot sent instructions. |
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| 22:15.14 | digdilem | kian, i think you kinda need to reset your thinking. (reading back). / does not HOUSE another partition mounted onto it. it's just that /home is now a redirect to another partition |
| 22:15.38 | digdilem | all it houses is the link that points elsewhere |
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| 22:16.41 | cluelessperson | apt-get install gstreamer1.0* yields |
| 22:16.41 | cluelessperson | http://paste.debian.net/892171/ |
| 22:16.55 | cluelessperson | apt-cache policy gstreamer1.0* yields |
| 22:16.55 | cluelessperson | http://paste.debian.net/892172/ |
| 22:17.12 | PadawanLearner | may the source be with you |
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| 22:19.54 | TomTomTosch | cluelessperson: you have gstreamer1.0-libav not from the jessie repo. do you remember where you have that from and why? |
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| 22:38.45 | TomTomTosch | cluelessperson: either way, apt-get install gstreamer1.0-libav=1.4.4-2 should revert it to the one in the jessie repo. but check if apt tries to remove packages if you do so. |
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| 23:43.24 | Stiffler | hello |
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| 23:43.29 | gry | hi |
| 23:43.39 | Stiffler | is their any way to install ppa in debian jessy? |
| 23:45.04 | humbag | its quite simple but rather unusual |
| 23:45.35 | humbag | theres no way the people who make apt can predict what a ppa will do to Debian |
| 23:45.56 | Stiffler | but i want to add as many software are easily upgrade by that |
| 23:46.07 | Stiffler | so if u know a proper way pls share |
| 23:46.24 | humbag | is it an ubuntu ppa ? |
| 23:46.28 | Stiffler | ya |
| 23:46.33 | humbag | eep |
| 23:46.34 | Stiffler | ubuntu/mint |
| 23:46.43 | humbag | i shouldn't even be talking to you :p |
| 23:46.54 | Stiffler | lol i was debian user |
| 23:47.00 | Stiffler | shifted to mnt lol |
| 23:47.04 | Stiffler | mint |
| 23:47.21 | Stiffler | due to bogus outdated packages in stable |
| 23:47.31 | humbag | all the relevant files are in /etc/apt |
| 23:47.46 | Stiffler | so how i do it |
| 23:48.00 | humbag | sources files contain sources and preferences files control which ones are preferred |
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| 23:48.01 | Stiffler | as ppa differs so i add straight into etc? |
| 23:48.56 | humbag | maybe you should read about apt-pinning |
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| 23:49.32 | Stiffler | maybe u can offer a straight answer will help a lot |
| 23:49.46 | Stiffler | as i testing something right now |
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| 23:52.37 | Stiffler | can anyone shine light on how i can add ppa into jessy |
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| 23:52.49 | johnkeates | ppa = ubuntu |
| 23:52.55 | Stiffler | yes |
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| 23:53.00 | johnkeates | jessie is not ubuntu |
| 23:53.06 | Stiffler | ppa = more software choices |
| 23:53.07 | johnkeates | it is debian |
| 23:53.16 | johnkeates | no |
| 23:53.29 | johnkeates | ppa is an apt repo packaged in a non-universal way for ubuntu |
| 23:53.34 | Stiffler | they give ppas more than deb packages |
| 23:53.41 | Stiffler | i know.. |
| 23:53.44 | johnkeates | you need a normal repo |
| 23:53.47 | Stiffler | but i want to add it |
| 23:54.04 | johnkeates | find the ppa, get the normal apt url, add it to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/name-here.list |
| 23:54.09 | Stiffler | so how do i get a normal repo when the software gives ppas? |
| 23:54.20 | johnkeates | a pap is a normal repo with some ubuntu sauce tacked on |
| 23:54.23 | johnkeates | ppa* |
| 23:55.14 | Stiffler | can u pls suggest how i can get normal url from ppas? |
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| 23:58.57 | johnkeates | Stiffler: click on "Technical details about this PPA" |
| 23:59.21 | Stiffler | ok |
| 23:59.34 | johnkeates | i.e. when it says "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mango-vdr/easy-next-base" you go to https://launchpad.net/~mango-vdr/+archive/ubuntu/easy-next-base and click on "Technical details about this PPA" |
