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| 00:03.32 | Stiffler | hmm |
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| 00:04.56 | Stiffler | how jhon its hard to know how it works and how i can decipher it |
| 00:04.59 | somiaj | I would not use a ppa in debian unless you are exteremly confident (which is rare) that the packages in the ppa are built with debian policy/packages/dependencies in mind |
| 00:05.32 | somiaj | Stiffler: so my answer would be NO. do not add a ppa to debian jessie. |
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| 00:06.48 | Stiffler | the only reason i am trying to add ppa s are easy update and mostly how days software gives ppa than deb packages or apt list |
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| 00:12.37 | Stiffler | hmmmmm |
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| 00:13.40 | Stiffler | can anyone give a ppas solution? |
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| 00:14.20 | bazhang | sure |
| 00:14.30 | bazhang | never use ppa with debian |
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| 00:14.58 | _r4z | lol |
| 00:15.11 | Stiffler | tell that to theme makes and software amkers lol |
| 00:15.15 | Stiffler | makers |
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| 00:17.22 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
| 00:18.09 | OerHeks | Stiffler, why not build the source yourself if you find no jessie packages? |
| 00:18.18 | NapoleonWils0n | im running jessie with i3wm and cant seem to get polkit to allow mounting of drives without sudo |
| 00:18.47 | NapoleonWils0n | does debian use /etc/polkit-1/rules.d/ |
| 00:19.16 | Stiffler | its hard work.. taken the fact i use linux as my hobby to lab rather than bread earner .. time is the issue here .. |
| 00:19.42 | NapoleonWils0n | i see references to using /etc/polkit-1/localauthority |
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| 00:20.36 | somiaj | Stiffler: if you find you need software not provided for debian, why not just use ubuntu? Note there are ways to do this, but standard advise from #debian is don't because we don't want to worry about any issues it may give people we are trying to help out. |
| 00:21.08 | somiaj | NapoleonWils0n: what kinda drives are you needing to mount? |
| 00:21.17 | NapoleonWils0n | usb drive |
| 00:21.29 | NapoleonWils0n | have to sudo mount /dev/sdb ~/mnt |
| 00:21.32 | Stiffler | ubuntu is hoggy as 3rd grade engine .. lame code unstable and it goes on i hate it.. |
| 00:21.53 | NapoleonWils0n | cant seem to get ranger to auto mount usb drives |
| 00:21.53 | somiaj | NapoleonWils0n: sure it isn't /dev/sdb1? And is almost usb drive you use, use this same hardware address? |
| 00:22.00 | Stiffler | i was using debian to start with was with stable but old lame software made to switch to arc |
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| 00:22.03 | NapoleonWils0n | yes sdb1 |
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| 00:22.18 | Stiffler | then again for deb packages i switch to mint |
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| 00:22.53 | NapoleonWils0n | can i create /etc/polkit-1/rules.d/50-default.rules file |
| 00:22.56 | somiaj | NapoleonWils0n: anways, I do think policykit is the more modern solution but fstab entry can make it so you don't need sudo (but if for somereason the drive gets detected as /dev/sdc1 the fstab entry won't work) |
| 00:23.19 | somiaj | NapoleonWils0n: I don't know policykit well enough to give you advise on that. Just suggesting an alternative solution. |
| 00:23.26 | NapoleonWils0n | does polkit work with .rules files or only .pkla files |
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| 00:23.58 | NapoleonWils0n | i do use fstab, for smb and nfs shares |
| 00:25.29 | Stiffler | THX @ <johnkeates> for the info i was too dumb n lame to understand "Technical details about this PPA" ty again |
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| 00:28.23 | somiaj | Stiffler: what software is this? And is there not an alternative in debian? |
| 00:29.53 | somiaj | Stiffler: I personally find building upstream source and installing in /usr/local (maybe using stow) for software outside of debian (or build my own .deb) |
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| 00:30.59 | Stiffler | ok |
| 00:31.02 | Stiffler | try this one |
| 00:31.04 | Stiffler | its theme |
| 00:31.17 | Stiffler | https://launchpad.net/~numix/+archive/ubuntu/ppa |
| 00:31.32 | cluelessperson | how do I fix this? |
| 00:31.33 | cluelessperson | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 00:31.33 | cluelessperson | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.42 | Stiffler | weird i added it but its not upgrading |
| 00:32.18 | Stiffler | i can build.deb but its painfull.. thats all so i am looking for alternatives |
| 00:32.35 | somiaj | cluelessperson: what version of debian are you using? |
| 00:33.30 | cluelessperson | somiaj, how do I print it out for you? I just upgraded to SID from jessie |
| 00:34.04 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 00:34.04 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:34.07 | missmbob | cluelessperson: go there |
| 00:34.25 | cluelessperson | missmbob, invite only |
| 00:34.33 | missmbob | cluelessperson: you need to read the entire message |
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| 00:34.46 | somiaj | cluelessperson: that can cause such problems. Sometimes packages are just not installable in sid. Anyways help is on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:35.07 | cluelessperson | I don't feel like setting up on annother network. ;_; |
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| 00:35.18 | missmbob | you're off topic here. so too bad. |
| 00:35.30 | cluelessperson | it's so broken |
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| 00:35.53 | somiaj | its more prefered you talk on oftc, though I don't consider it offtopic completely since it is another network. |
| 00:36.09 | somiaj | cluelessperson: in your case I say go get help from there, if you are new to sid this may take a bit to work out. |
| 00:36.48 | cluelessperson | somiaj, I'm trying to get gstreamer up to date, which has a bunch of dependencies. I thought testing/sid was relatively stable. |
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| 00:37.25 | somiaj | cluelessperson: there is a difference between testing and sid. And relatively is very vague. Those who use it know how to debug problems like this when they happen. |
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| 00:40.03 | keanne | hi channel. what is the debian way of locking an interface to a specific ethx? I have a debian sid server with multiple nics, but eth0 jumps from one interface to another upon reboots. |
| 00:40.30 | Stiffler | is their any way to check to know if i am using testing or sid rather than /etc ? |
| 00:40.48 | somiaj | Stiffler: apt-cache policy will tell you what your sources are |
| 00:41.04 | somiaj | Stiffler: but if you have mixed/changed you have to look at each package to know where it came from |
| 00:41.14 | Stiffler | hmmm |
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| 00:42.15 | somiaj | keanne: that shouldn't happen. udev should make interface names static. This use to be done through /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules though I have some vague feeling that systemd wants to handel this now |
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| 00:42.50 | somiaj | Stiffler: apt-cache policy packagename will tell you about the package. |
| 00:43.23 | seanrdev | Is there a one liner to creating a file with vim and inserting say 30 e's? |
| 00:44.50 | keanne | somiaj: hmm, i double checked the debian version, its 8.6 and rebooted the server twice today, and twice eth0 switches between interfaces. |
| 00:44.53 | somiaj | if you specifically want to use vim, I'd ask a more vim centered channel. There are ways to program that, but I can't think of any nice way. |
| 00:45.30 | somiaj | keanne: does the macaddress of your interface change? |
| 00:46.05 | keanne | somiaj: no it does not |
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| 00:46.26 | somiaj | keanne: Do you have /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ? |
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| 00:47.47 | keanne | somiaj: no i don't have that rule |
| 00:47.51 | seanrdev | thank you somiaj |
| 00:49.30 | somiaj | keanne: do you have udev installed? On my jessie installs this file is being created |
| 00:49.45 | missmbob | i'm not sure it does if it detects a vps |
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| 00:50.05 | keanne | somiaj: i could create one, but i wonder why the default install did not created one by default. thanks for the heads up. i'll take a look if udev is installed |
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| 00:53.05 | somiaj | missmbob: yea looks like that may be it, I don't have one on my vm. |
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| 02:16.22 | veek | when you type ctrl-c, who converts the c-c into a signal? the terminal driver? |
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| 02:17.59 | bezaban | it sends a signal. SIGINT, I think it is handled by init |
| 02:18.13 | veek | who sends a signal? |
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| 02:18.41 | bezaban | it is caught by init? not sure |
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| 02:19.11 | bezaban | sysrq keys are independent of software, not sure how signals are trapped |
| 02:19.24 | bezaban | well. not independent of software, but direct to kernel |
| 02:20.23 | bezaban | would be interesting if someone who knows this could comment :P |
| 02:20.59 | n4dir | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6108953/how-does-ctrl-c-terminate-a-child-process |
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| 02:23.03 | random_numbers | So, I have a problem. I tried to install 'adminer' and I can't access it. https://www.vultr.com/docs/install-adminer-on-debian-ubuntu didn't help. |
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| 02:23.21 | random_numbers | (I did not do the wget step as that'd defeat the point of using the repos.) |
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| 02:23.54 | bezaban | random_numbers: how did you try to install 'adminer' and how can't you access it? |
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| 02:24.22 | random_numbers | apt-get install adminer |
| 02:24.45 | random_numbers | It installed apache and mysql. However http://localhost/adminer.php doesn't do a thing. |
| 02:24.57 | bezaban | is apache running? |
| 02:25.00 | random_numbers | Yeah. |
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| 02:25.09 | bezaban | what is happening? what do logs say? |
| 02:25.12 | random_numbers | I tried the steps in the above-linked guide (save the wget steps) and it didn't do anything |
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| 02:25.54 | random_numbers | 404 |
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| 02:28.52 | bezaban | random_numbers: check webroot in default site of apache and figure out where adminer puts its files |
| 02:29.07 | random_numbers | It put them is /usr/share/adminer/* |
| 02:29.10 | bezaban | need to understand what is happening |
| 02:29.11 | random_numbers | s/is/in/ |
| 02:29.17 | bezaban | yeah, so set up a website for there |
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| 02:29.35 | random_numbers | How? |
| 02:29.41 | bezaban | in apache conf |
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| 02:31.39 | bezaban | typically /etc/apache2/sites-available/default symlink valid configs to ../sites-enabled |
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| 02:37.39 | random_numbers | Did as much. Doesn't seem to help |
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| 02:41.03 | random_numbers | Hm. Ports had to be configured, as did site. How would I make localhost:81/adminer appear as the server's root on port 81? |
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| 02:43.12 | monsune | hello good fellows! is it possible to swap a drive in raid1 assuming that my system is running off that raid? I have the 2 drives there and 3rd one is already connected. so i want to get drive C in place of drive A in the raid consisting of A+B. is this even possible? |
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| 02:47.17 | bezaban | monsune: something like this worked for me https://www.howtoforge.com/replacing_hard_disks_in_a_raid1_array |
| 02:47.51 | bezaban | might want to replace the disk after removing it from the array, rather than having them all in place |
| 02:48.15 | bezaban | much easier |
| 02:49.59 | monsune | bezaban thank you, i checked there before too :) i'm just not sure if i could point to /dev/sdc instead of /dev/sda |
| 02:50.48 | monsune | i mean if i decide to remove /dev/sda from raid1 - would i be able to put /dev/sdc in place or does it have to be new /dev/sda |
| 02:50.58 | bezaban | mdadm is the workhorse here, don't know the entire syntax by hand |
| 02:51.12 | monsune | yeah i know it's not that easy |
| 02:52.05 | monsune | but i guess mdadm wouldn't really care... it's just a device |
| 02:52.23 | bezaban | monsune: do you have physical access to the machine? |
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| 02:53.53 | monsune | nope.. that's why i need to put a special care in this |
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| 02:55.34 | bezaban | if yes. powerdown. remove faulty drive (the right one!), replace with spare. Poweron, rebuild |
| 02:56.07 | bezaban | if no. do the same. |
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| 03:05.17 | monsune | bezaban i decided to go for a different path: |
| 03:05.24 | monsune | md1 : active raid1 sdc2[2] sdb2[0] |
| 03:05.24 | monsune | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.24 | monsune | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.42 | monsune | hot swapped :) rebuilding with sdc now |
| 03:06.09 | bezaban | monsune: cool. that depends on hardware, but good it worked for you :) Check for UU |
| 03:06.26 | monsune | so just in case you ever needed that - it works great with any device :) |
| 03:06.29 | bezaban | [UU] |
| 03:06.34 | bezaban | yay |
| 03:06.36 | bezaban | :) |
| 03:06.36 | monsune | yeah just need to wait 4 hours to see the UU :) |
| 03:06.52 | bezaban | 283 min :P |
| 03:06.55 | bezaban | might adjust |
| 03:06.56 | monsune | it was actually easy peasy |
| 03:06.59 | monsune | hope so... |
| 03:07.14 | monsune | but i guess i can work now right? it's just degraded but usable |
| 03:07.34 | bezaban | http://xkcd.com/612/ |
| 03:08.00 | monsune | lmao so true... |
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| 03:08.16 | bezaban | monsune: have a nice day, it's night here :) |
| 03:08.40 | monsune | well 4am here indeed :) have a good night and thank you :) |
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| 03:08.55 | bezaban | monsune: well, yes. CET here too |
| 03:09.35 | bezaban | monsune: taking some compensation time tomorrow morning. |
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| 03:13.01 | monsune | bezaban nice nice :) |
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| 03:33.02 | zay | hola |
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| 03:43.03 | cluelessperson | hey guys, how can you easily setup debian to be remotely accessible on the desktop? |
| 03:43.11 | cluelessperson | vnc seems bitchy |
| 03:43.18 | gry | what does vnc tell you |
| 03:43.23 | gry | you could try rdesktop and xrdp |
| 03:43.41 | zay | ssh -l username -p 22 -X x.x.x.x |
| 03:43.52 | zay | x11 forwarding rules ;) |
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| 03:46.22 | cluelessperson | zay, so I can do x11 forwarding, but how do I view the desktop? |
| 03:46.26 | cluelessperson | the running desktop |
| 03:47.28 | zay | cluelessperson: hmm... good point. in this case, i'd say xrdp/rdesktop is better |
| 03:49.49 | Rusty1_ | vnc might be considered |
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| 03:57.52 | daemon | hey all I muted my desktop in debian, now after I have unmuted it |
| 03:57.57 | daemon | all audio is still muted |
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| 03:58.01 | daemon | alsa says volume and pcm are up |
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| 03:58.08 | daemon | is there a way to send a rset to the audio controls somehow |
| 03:58.09 | gry | debian testing, no? |
| 03:58.17 | daemon | jessie |
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| 03:58.30 | daemon | intel hda sound card |
| 03:58.49 | missmbob | install/run pavucontrol |
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| 03:59.54 | daemon | odd |
| 03:59.59 | daemon | found HDMI on monitors |
| 04:00.06 | daemon | bluetooth |
| 04:00.09 | daemon | and built in analog stereo |
| 04:00.21 | daemon | take it the build in analog is the intel hda |
| 04:00.27 | missmbob | yep |
| 04:00.46 | daemon | it was disabled |
| 04:00.48 | daemon | wonder how that happened |
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| 05:01.17 | Neo | greetings everyone |
| 05:01.33 | Neo | I'm troubleshooting a pretty fresh install |
| 05:01.58 | Neo | just added the proper wifi firmware package to this laptop |
| 05:02.15 | rabies | yo |
| 05:02.23 | Neo | network manager isn't seeing the wifi card |
| 05:02.27 | Neo | but iwconfig does |
| 05:03.16 | stoned | Heyooo I'm being a goofy goof! :D |
| 05:03.20 | stoned | https://stoned.io/linux/Using-ZRAM-Compressed-RAM-Block-Device-On-Debian-Jessie-On-Old-Hardware/ |
| 05:03.37 | Neo | I can't figure out how to get network manager to see wlan0 |
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| 05:04.14 | stoned | *shrug* I was bored. Someone I was talking with didn't know about ZRAM. I found myself telling people about ZRAM. To not repeat so much, I typed it in a blog. I'm sure you guys already know zram. |
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| 05:10.17 | monsune | nice one stoned, thanks a lot! |
| 05:15.50 | stoned | Sure man |
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| 05:21.23 | stoned | updated blog post w/ 4 block devices script example, and two devices example. |
| 05:21.50 | stoned | Enjoy. I'm going to enjoy a nacho. Just one nacho. o/ |
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| 05:22.49 | monsune | please do enjoy the nacho, just one nacho :) |
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| 05:26.59 | jusss | if I want remove package A, how to remove the packages who depends A and which A depend? |
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| 05:28.15 | jusss | make the system return the state that it hasn't install package A |
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| 05:37.31 | stoned | jusss apt-cache depends PackageA |
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| 05:38.02 | stoned | jusss apt-cache depends PackageA|grep -i depends |
| 05:40.09 | jusss | stoned: that can get who depends package A? |
| 05:40.20 | stoned | reverse depends |
| 05:40.23 | stoned | ? |
| 05:40.38 | stoned | try apt-cache rdepends |
| 05:40.49 | jusss | ok I will try |
| 05:41.24 | awal1 | jusss, I dont know if I understood you but apt-get remove A && apt-get autoremove is simply what you need what you need |
| 05:41.57 | stoned | I assumed he already knew that bit |
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| 05:42.33 | awal1 | I guess he was refering to recommends also |
| 05:42.49 | stoned | \o/ |
| 05:42.50 | jusss | stoned: awal1 do you have used pacman? I'd like to do like pacman -Rsc |
| 05:43.12 | stoned | no |
| 05:43.18 | awal1 | jusss, i dont really understand your "issue" |
| 05:43.43 | stoned | he wants rdepends. |
| 05:44.02 | stoned | he has packageA installed. He wants to remove not only packageA but all the pckages that depend on pacakgeA |
| 05:44.07 | stoned | i think so. |
| 05:44.19 | jusss | package B depend package A, and package A depend package C, now I'd like to remove B and C through remove A |
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| 05:44.55 | awal1 | and what if D recommends C and depends on B? |
| 05:44.58 | awal1 | :D |
| 05:45.24 | stoned | It hits the fan |
| 05:45.28 | jusss | then remove C and don't remove B |
| 05:45.47 | stoned | instead of theoretical stuff |
| 05:45.57 | stoned | tell us what you're trying to remove, and why |
| 05:47.08 | jusss | I want to remove lxde! |
| 05:47.32 | jusss | remove the whole desktop environment, not just wm stuff |
| 05:47.42 | stoned | ok |
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| 05:47.55 | stoned | apt-get --purge remove ^.lxde* |
| 05:47.58 | stoned | Probably. |
| 05:48.03 | stoned | try that, see what it wants to remove. |
| 05:48.04 | humbag | tasksel |
| 05:49.01 | pingfloyd | jusss: if you remove the meta-package lxde, it should remove everything it depends on with autoremove unless something else depends on them, or you've marked them as manually installed |
| 05:49.26 | awal1 | jusss, so just remove all lxde stuff! something like: aptitude or apt-get purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep lxde | cut -f 1` && aptitude or apt-get -f install |
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| 05:49.39 | awal1 | for start ^ |
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| 05:53.57 | n4dir | won't help much with lxterminal |
| 05:54.19 | n4dir | and you could just as well apt-get remove *lxde* |
| 05:54.34 | jusss | pacman -Rsc A is so easy to that |
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| 05:55.08 | jusss | and lxde don't just depends that *lxde* |
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| 05:55.51 | jusss | aptitude should consider those functions I think |
| 05:56.24 | awal1 | jusss, the command I gave you should let you remove almost all lxde stuff |
| 05:56.41 | awal1 | replace "lxde" by anything else |
| 05:57.06 | jusss | aptitude, apt-get, apt-cache, dpkg, all those stuff, why to give a more simple command |
| 05:57.09 | n4dir | like said, imho no need for the get-selections grep and cut voodoo, just use * |
| 05:57.17 | humbag | interactive aptitude is good too |
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| 05:58.46 | humbag | lxde-desktop is a task, can be removed with tasksel |
| 05:59.15 | jusss | humbag: how? |
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| 05:59.53 | humbag | i think its interactive |
| 06:01.33 | humbag | these people are usually more experienced than me though, not sure why its preferred to use the most simple tool |
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| 06:01.44 | pink_vampire | hi |
| 06:02.08 | pink_vampire | i need some help with the installation |
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| 06:02.49 | awal1 | jusss, humbag refers to aptitude in text mode |
| 06:03.00 | pink_vampire | I have windows 7 on the computer, and i want to also install linux cnc (debian based) |
| 06:03.21 | pink_vampire | on the partition page in the installation i have 2 partitions 100mb and 1tb |
| 06:04.34 | pink_vampire | how do i shrink down the 1tb to 500gb ntfs, and 500gb free |
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| 06:08.01 | awal1 | pink_vampire: you'll have to ask in your distro channel |
| 06:08.30 | pink_vampire | solved |
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| 06:10.58 | H1LL4RYL0V351RAN | Vote for Hillary Clinton to dissolve our alliance with Israel! Vote for Hillary and watch the Jews die! Vote for Hillary to respect ISIS's rights! Vote for Hillary to illegalize free speech! Vote for Hillary to triple the national debt! Vote for Hillary to ship more jobs overseas! Vote for Hillary to give nukes to Iran! Vote for Hillary to make Russia great again! |
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| 06:15.46 | peterrooney | !ops spam |
| 06:15.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: peterrooney complains about: spam |
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| 06:16.41 | H1LL4RYhatesJ3W5 | !ops peterrooney spamming pro-jewish garbage |
| 06:16.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: h1ll4ryhatesj3w5 complains about: peterrooney spamming pro-jewish garbage |
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| 06:22.17 | jusss | how to get the debian official groups? |
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| 06:25.14 | nkuttler | jusss: groups? |
| 06:26.23 | H1LL4RYhatesJ3W5 | you have to elect Hillary first |
| 06:26.24 | jusss | nkuttler: you know like get a mail stuff with @debian |
| 06:26.29 | jusss | blah blah |
| 06:26.32 | H1LL4RYhatesJ3W5 | to let Islam kill all the Jews |
| 06:26.50 | H1LL4RYhatesJ3W5 | it's their right to build nukes and kill jews. Let Iran be. Vote for Clinton. |
| 06:26.52 | nkuttler | jusss: not sure what you mean. announcements and such? |
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| 06:28.47 | pingfloyd | jusss: the groups are setup as you install packages that need them |
| 06:28.58 | pingfloyd | jusss: some of the groups are a part of base |
| 06:30.30 | pingfloyd | jusss: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 |
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| 06:32.28 | jusss | ok |
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| 07:39.01 | michelsedgh | hello guys, I wanted to update to debian sid and I get the following error. I have updated my sources.list. https://paste.kde.org/pmqsda8kq |
| 07:39.11 | michelsedgh | any help on how to update? |
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| 07:40.14 | nkuttler | !tell michelsedgh about debian-next |
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| 07:41.28 | raidghost | Good morning. To check for multiple directories matching "something" what is the best tool? Locate or find? |
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| 07:43.05 | nkuttler | raidghost: depends on what best means to you |
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| 07:43.51 | raidghost | nkuttler: Just wanna know if i've got example 2 directories that contains the same "match" |
| 07:44.14 | raidghost | So i can check the file size and save up some GB |
| 07:44.20 | nkuttler | raidghost: and "match" is what? |
| 07:44.48 | raidghost | Okey: Lets say there is a dvd directory with alot of dvd backup iso files |
| 07:45.00 | nkuttler | raidghost: a string, or a regex? |
| 07:45.13 | raidghost | a string, sir |
| 07:45.40 | awal1 | find is/can be more "up-to-date" |
| 07:45.43 | nkuttler | the locate i guess, if it's already installed. but if you know the location of both dirs find might be as fast |
| 07:45.46 | nkuttler | and that |
| 07:46.46 | michelsedgh | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 07:46.53 | michelsedgh | how can I solve that?! ^ |
| 07:47.03 | nkuttler | michelsedgh: this channel isn't for sid support |
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| 07:47.14 | michelsedgh | the sid channel only has 3 users |
| 07:47.24 | nkuttler | michelsedgh: it's on a different irc network |
| 07:47.40 | michelsedgh | #debian-next on oftc server |
| 07:47.40 | nkuttler | and has 300 people in it |
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| 07:47.50 | raidghost | nkuttler and awal1. Thanks for the advices! ;) |
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| 07:49.57 | awal1 | michelsedgh, dpkg is clear: "The following packages have unmet dependencies:...." |
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| 07:50.20 | michelsedgh | thanks nkuttler |
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| 08:31.37 | fiacha | Hi Guys, I update my DO dropplet and now I can no longer use tun. In syslog i see "kernel: [ 2.900996] tun: Unknown symbol __sk_attach_filter (err 0)"... I googled this but I cannot find any info. I tried upgrading the kernel (now 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux) but still doesn't work. Anybody have any idea? |
| 08:32.30 | jelly | fiacha: 3.16.7-ckt25-2 is an old kernel. Make sure your VM boots the updated kernel first. |
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| 08:34.04 | fiacha | jelly: I did a full power down and on two times now. It is the latest that i can choose on the DO |
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| 08:35.04 | jelly | fiacha: then ask your provider how to proceed |
| 08:35.30 | jelly | you ought to be at... Linux hostname 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:35.45 | fiacha | jelly: yes, i am doing that now. Thank you. |
| 08:36.21 | jelly | fiacha: you're not the first person to ask this, if you solve it maybe mention the answer here as well |
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| 08:39.16 | jelly | fiacha: it's possible they think same name of files /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 and initrd signify the same kernel version -- incorrect for Debian |
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| 08:40.18 | jelly | ubuntu almost always bumps the kernel ABI and therefore file names change, but debian keeps the same for the patched kernel if possible |
| 08:40.48 | fiacha | jelly: ah, thank you, i will pass this along and report back if i get it to work |
| 08:41.14 | fiacha | it is good to know that i am not the only one, hopefully a solution will be found soon :) |
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| 08:45.37 | fiacha | yes, name is the same but initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 was updated today |
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| 08:47.27 | Ke | fiacha: really, I didn't see it now |
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| 09:06.49 | candidat | i m naked under my dress :P |
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| 09:07.39 | fiacha | Ke: I don't know what I'm talking about, just looking at files. Someone maybe had a similar issue: https://mobile.twitter.com/prauscher/status/774300349964386304 ? |
| 09:08.44 | Ke | fiacha: oh wait, if you mean initrd, it's not bound to kernel updates, but regenerated on ~almost any update |
| 09:10.01 | jelly | Ke: the context was his VM provider not using the correct kernel after patching |
| 09:10.13 | Ke | ok |
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| 09:15.48 | troulouliou_div2 | why is jigdo better over iso ? it seems like the cd archive propos jigdo only for old 8.x cd |
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| 09:17.02 | hargut_ | Hello. |
| 09:17.58 | hargut_ | I'm wondering if I have a binary blob, running on a 2.6.32 kernel, will it work on 4.4.x as well, or do I have to expect binary incompatibilities with such a huge kernel version update? |
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| 09:25.47 | jelly | hargut_: what kind of blob, kernel space or user space? |
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| 09:26.37 | jelly | if it's a kernel driver it's unlikely to work. Also, Debian doesn't have any 4.4 kernels right now |
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| 09:26.56 | vjacob | Hello! :-) if I have renamed my volume group name using `vgrename´ and I have rebooted without running a succesful `update-grub2´ command, and I am now at a `(initramfs)´ boot prompt, would it be possible for me to give the correct volume group name and make the boot succeed in finding the partitions that it will need? |
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| 09:35.35 | pink_vampire | hi |
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| 09:36.16 | beckor | hi, somebody knows a tool that shows the top UDP talkers? IPTraf only shows the top TCP talkers... :-/ |
| 09:36.41 | pink_vampire | i have a computer with 2 parallel ports but non of them show in lspci |
| 09:37.20 | pink_vampire | any idea how to find the address of each one?? |
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| 09:51.03 | fiacha | jelly: I found the problem. The upgrade installed a newer kernel (3.17.36, seen with apt-cache policy linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 ) while DO forces loading of an older one (3.17.25). I changed sources and then explicitly installed the version matching the one that DO tries to load ( aptitude install linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64=3.16.7-ckt25-2 ) and it worked :) |
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| 09:51.56 | fiacha | I saw the kernal DO loads on the DO control panel in the kernel menu |
| 09:52.26 | fiacha | I wrote the answer in the ticket and hope to remember it next time that I will (probably) run into this problem again |
| 09:52.29 | mkollaro | the seafile package depends on libssl 1.0.0 while debian testing has only 1.0.2 - I suspect it would actually work with 1.0.2, is there some way I could fool the package? I'm a bit afraid of using -f |
| 09:53.00 | fiacha | Thanks for the help! |
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| 10:06.21 | jelly | fia... oh |
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| 10:20.29 | svisor | recently I upgraded some packages on debian machine, courier IMAP service stopped working properly, I tried to remove and reinstall courier packages, but now am facing this problem https://paste.debian.net/892300/ can anybody help? |
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| 10:25.27 | Iridos | this is wheezy? |
| 10:26.01 | svisor | Iridos yes |
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| 10:26.48 | rickshot-k | hi, I don't know the first Debian gnu login, root ? and what's the password ? please ... |
| 10:27.08 | alwyn | Hi! Is there a way to check if a package upgrade would trigger a service restart? |
| 10:27.20 | nkuttler | rickshot-k: there is no default password, ask whoever installed the os |
| 10:27.21 | alwyn | I'm trying apt-get -s upgrade but only see Inst and Conf |
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| 10:28.44 | rickshot-k | nkuttler : I tried "none" no success "ENTER" no success, what is it, please ? |
| 10:28.55 | nkuttler | rickshot-k: there is no default password, ask whoever installed the os |
| 10:29.12 | nkuttler | !tell rickshot-k about i forgot root's password |
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| 10:31.20 | Iridos | svisor, my guess is that you have some non-debian packages⦠or maybe packages from different versions of debian⦠what packates does this show? dpkg -S stop-bootlogd rmnologin |
| 10:31.50 | Iridos | and when you know the packages, what versions does dpkg -l packagename show? |
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| 10:32.39 | svisor | https://paste.debian.net/892303/ |
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| 10:33.34 | Iridos | so what does dpkg -l initscripts say? |
| 10:33.39 | Iridos | judd, versions initscripts |
| 10:33.40 | judd | Package: initscripts on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.88dsf-41+deb7u1; jessie: 2.88dsf-59; sid: 2.88dsf-59.8; stretch: 2.88dsf-59.8 |
| 10:34.13 | svisor | initscripts 2.88dsf-41+deb7u1 amd64 scripts for initializing and shutting down the system |
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| 10:38.02 | svisor | Iridos but this is really old machine, original installation was Debian lenny |
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| 10:41.22 | Iridos | well, it's the correct version⦠should be ok |
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| 10:42.09 | Iridos | I wonder if the init scripts are treated as config files |
| 10:42.38 | Iridos | you could try re-installing the initscripts package |
| 10:42.43 | Iridos | but I don't really see the point |
| 10:43.08 | Iridos | well, except someone manually edited things |
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| 10:44.59 | __marco | Hello. I wanted to run memtest but I get a blank screen and a beep. Do you what can cause this? |
| 10:44.59 | svisor | Iridos I'll try it, how to reinstall it? I'm not very experienced in debian package management |
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| 10:49.15 | Iridos | svisor, apt-get install --reinstall initscripts ⦠but I doubt it'll do anything |
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| 10:49.35 | svisor | Iridos what else could be wrong? |
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| 10:49.43 | Cypris | Debian Jessie, Brother HL2130, CUPS, USB printers are not showing up.. any ideas? (I asked in cups but no one responded) |
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| 10:51.29 | svisor | Iridos reinstalling throws the same error messages about loop |
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| 11:07.25 | svisor | Iridos is this a bad idea? "11:27.14aquariusI've fixed this by removing rmnologin from Required-Start in /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd, but I'm not at all clear whether that's the right thing to do." |
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| 11:12.08 | Iridos | svisor, dunno. I might have done the same but felt the same about it⦠I guess the "right" thing to do would be to compare against a working wheezy system and see why there is a dependency loop in one and not in the other |
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| 11:14.04 | Iridos | svisor, the other right thing to do would be to upgrade to jessie (after applying some kind of fix) |
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| 11:14.31 | rendar | can i remove systemd but keeping network-manager? why if i do apt-get remove systemd it removes ALSO network-manager?! |
| 11:14.39 | svisor | I am planning to migrate whole machine on new system |
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| 11:16.03 | km0201 | probably because network-manager depends on systemd? |
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| 11:16.24 | km0201 | maybe you could install wicd does it require systemd? |
| 11:16.36 | km0201 | (i don't think wicd requires nm) |
| 11:17.12 | Iridos | actually, it depends on libsystemd0 |
| 11:17.21 | Iridos | and on libpam-systemd |
| 11:17.28 | km0201 | well, there goes that idea.. :) |
| 11:17.31 | km0201 | i was just guessing |
| 11:17.48 | Iridos | and probably on some other things like policykit-1 which I suspect might have dependencies on systemd |
| 11:17.55 | km0201 | true |
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| 11:23.15 | doublehp | ntp is not installed, but my clock remains perfectly sync; which other service could keep RTC sync ? |
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| 11:29.56 | Ke | doublehp: systemd-timesyncd, chrony, openntpd... |
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| 11:31.03 | doublehp | Ke i have none of those |
| 11:31.38 | nyuszika7h | is there a way to downgrade all backports packages to stable after an accidental upgrade without apt pins? |
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| 11:34.13 | at0m | !downgrade |
| 11:34.13 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 11:34.52 | Ke | doublehp: if all else fails, setup a netfilter rule with log target |
| 11:35.24 | Ke | or use stap for even more specific info |
| 11:35.32 | doublehp | Ke my system is sync; but i can't find which daemon holds it |
| 11:36.01 | Ke | yes, netfilter logging should be able to tell you |
| 11:36.05 | doublehp | stap ? |
| 11:36.11 | Ke | systemtap |
| 11:37.50 | GlitterPony5000 | guys is it just me or is like, Debian, the best distro in the world? |
| 11:37.56 | GlitterPony5000 | #just saying |
| 11:38.08 | GlitterPony5000 | for example |
| 11:38.29 | GlitterPony5000 | distrowatch shows popularity from 1-100, top 3 including and in order |
| 11:38.41 | GlitterPony5000 | Mint, Debian, Ubuntu |
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| 11:38.52 | GlitterPony5000 | Mint based off Ubuntu which is based on Debian |
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| 11:39.00 | GlitterPony5000 | so like... |
| 11:39.03 | GlitterPony5000 | xD |
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| 11:41.39 | hargut_ | jelly, Sorry for the late reaction. Its a user space blob, no special kernel drivers required. |
| 11:42.03 | hargut_ | Some kind of python binary. |
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| 11:44.07 | hargut_ | GlitterPony5000, Debian is definitely the worlds best distro. ;) But it strongly depends on the use case, as Debian is not best for any purpose. Sometime Apline, Gentoo, or Arch, CentOS, RedHat or some other might be a better choice. :D |
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| 11:54.32 | nyuszika7h | okay I think I fixed it, but aptitude says "302 not upgraded" even with "aptitude full-upgrade". is that normal? |
| 11:54.55 | nyuszika7h | https://wiki.apache.org/httpd/RewriteHTTPToHTTPS |
| 11:55.08 | nyuszika7h | er |
| 11:55.10 | nyuszika7h | wrong channel |
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| 12:01.45 | new-nick | There is Ice weasel and Fire fox ESR exists on repository |
| 12:01.51 | new-nick | Any explanation please? |
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| 12:02.28 | new-nick | Since Ice weasel is rebranded of firefox, I wonder why there is firefox package too resides with repository? |
| 12:02.49 | SynrGy | new-nick: because firefox is un-rebranded iceweasel |
| 12:03.02 | missmbob | iceweasel came to be because mozilla was being dumb about allowing us to use their trademark. they changed their minds recently. so we got firefox |
| 12:03.06 | TomTomTo1 | legal issues resolved, debian switched to regular brand firefox, iceweasel is just a transitional package for legacy reasons. |
| 12:04.18 | TomTomTo1 | the iceweasel package pulls firefox-esr |
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| 12:04.49 | cosmos_ | which is lesser maintained and more unsecure as the regular Firefox? |
| 12:05.25 | TomTomTo1 | no, it's just an empty package. |
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| 12:05.51 | new-nick | Oh, thanks all for your explanation. Just been wondering about these issues. |
| 12:06.13 | new-nick | And good to learn that Mozilla has lifted the ban of using Firefox :) |
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| 12:07.43 | TomTomTo1 | well, not completely empty, it creates a symlink from /usr/bin/iceweasel to firefox-esr. just so packages, that depend on iceweasel don't break. |
| 12:08.01 | new-nick | Is it recommend to use GNU Ice cat over Ice weasel/firefox esr by Debian community |
| 12:08.44 | TomTomTo1 | recommended is what's packaged in debian. |
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| 12:09.47 | Ke | is icecat even packaged? |
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| 12:10.34 | TomTomTo1 | no, but you can get a binary tarball from gnu.org |
| 12:10.37 | missmbob | no. that's why his answer made sense |
| 12:10.39 | new-nick | I believe isn't not packaged. but using it |
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| 12:11.34 | new-nick | Ice cat has few issues I am facing. so just discussing here to switch back. |
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| 12:13.21 | SynrGy | cosmos: firefox-esr is not the empty package; iceweasel is. less secure and maintained? i think you misunderstand what ESR means. it's "extended support release", i.e. you don't get new features, but you do get up-to-date security. |
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| 12:14.22 | SynrGy | so, less chance that it will break when it is upgraded due to some new feature introducing new bugs. it is what you install when you want the most stable version of firefox. |
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| 12:15.47 | SynrGy | (and yeah, iceweasel is "not completely empty" as per above) |
| 12:16.52 | cosmos | SynrGy: read their ESR page, this info comes from their |
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| 12:18.12 | SynrGy | cosmos: notwithstanding, the debian mozilla maintainers will backport and apply patches as needed. |
| 12:19.11 | SynrGy | cosmos: if by "more secure" you mean "introduces new security features" then yes, newer firefox releases would do that (but also potentially more bugs) |
| 12:19.35 | cosmos | i thought that too |
| 12:20.33 | SynrGy | the internet tends to enforce new security regimes slow enough so that we get a new esr release before it becomes an issue. |
| 12:20.58 | SynrGy | so as a rule of thumb, you can count on the debian firefox-esr to be "current enough" to give you industry best-practice security |
| 12:21.03 | Iridos | I don't think mozilla writes anywhere "and we give only crappy security support for firefox-esr" |
| 12:21.18 | SynrGy | me neither. i'd be interested to see where that's written, exactly. |
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| 12:21.45 | Iridos | [citation needed] |
| 12:21.48 | SynrGy | ^^ |
| 12:22.15 | cosmos | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Enterprise/Firefox/ExtendedSupport:Proposal#Risks |
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| 12:23.23 | Iridos | the bit they don't say is about all those new shiny security bugs they put in with new features |
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| 12:25.10 | SynrGy | it's this cover-your-ass statement, i think: "Over time the ESR will be less secure than the regular release of Firefox, as new functionality will not be added at the same pace as Firefox, and only high-risk/impact security patches will be backported." and the key phrase is "over time". so if the Internet implements a new security regime which is "better" than the old one, ESR won't track it. this |
| 12:25.16 | SynrGy | basically restates all i said above. |
| 12:25.29 | TomTomTo1 | well, there is mozilla.debian.net if you want the current firefox release. but the debian mozilla team does a great job with testing and maintaining firefox-esr. |
| 12:25.39 | SynrGy | i.e. you won't get "new security features" but the old ones continue to work fine. |
| 12:26.04 | SynrGy | "less secure" is relative. ESR still addresses the "high-risk" issues, and that's good enough for your average user of stable. |
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| 12:26.15 | cosmos | i see |
| 12:26.28 | cosmos | thanks a lot |
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| 12:29.01 | SynrGy | cosmos: also, when you read that risks list, don't forget that there are risks to tracking latest releases, too (as i mentioned before, i.e. introduction of new bugs with new features). so let's say your "more secure" new security feature, which has had fewer years in the field has a zero-day against it. ESR would be immune to that. |
| 12:29.36 | SynrGy | or it might not even be a new security feature, just a new feature, period. |
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| 12:30.34 | Sar_S | hi |
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| 12:31.41 | i11ega1Code | i can't update my vps server |
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| 12:34.19 | jelly | i11ega1Code: which debian release? How does apt/aptitude fail? |
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| 12:34.21 | jelly | !bat |
| 12:34.21 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 12:44.11 | simbalion` | Hi, how do I force apt-get upgrade to use the default answer when it asks questions about new configuration files? |
| 12:44.45 | jelly | dpkg, tell simbalion` about confold |
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| 12:45.34 | Iridos | that must be a fold along another fold |
| 12:46.26 | jelly | also /msg dpkg confdef, /msg dpkg confnew |
| 12:48.11 | simbalion` | okay but I didn't ask about dpkg I asked about apt-get upgrade, will that command work the same? This is for a system update cronjob |
| 12:48.34 | svisor | Iridos I forgot to thank you for your time, It seems that little hack with removing rmnologin helped, at least courier-imap is running now, hope it holds to migration :) |
| 12:48.44 | jelly | simbalion`: dpkg here is an irc bot that sent you a private message. |
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| 12:49.34 | jelly | if you read the whole of that private message, your question should be answered |
| 12:49.36 | simbalion` | ah I had to read the /msg twice to see the meat. apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confold" upgrade |
| 12:50.01 | jelly | consider using |
| 12:50.05 | jelly | !unattended-upgrades |
| 12:50.06 | dpkg | methinks unattended-upgrades is a package for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
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| 12:51.32 | i11ega1Code | jelly 8.5 jessie |
| 12:51.37 | i11ega1Code | minimal |
| 12:51.40 | i11ega1Code | vps |
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| 12:51.44 | simbalion` | jelly: I'll take a look at that thanks |
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| 12:52.56 | i11ega1Code | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/892317/ |
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| 12:53.40 | i11ega1Code | jelly: policy comming up |
| 12:54.02 | i11ega1Code | all in one: http://paste.debian.net/892318/ |
| 12:54.28 | jelly | i11ega1Code: looks like you have network connectivity issues |
| 12:54.40 | i11ega1Code | i am connected with ssh |
| 12:55.07 | jelly | but your outbound connections to relevant mirrors don't work |
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| 12:55.44 | i11ega1Code | what can i do? |
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| 12:56.20 | jelly | analyze the cause and fix your network |
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| 12:56.44 | i11ega1Code | can you throw some commandos at me? |
| 12:56.45 | i11ega1Code | amigo |
| 12:56.48 | jelly | i11ega1Code: "telnet security.debian.org 80" |
| 12:57.01 | jelly | i11ega1Code: "ip r", "ip a" |
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| 12:58.20 | i11ega1Code | since its a minimal install i have to install packages such as telnet: Install these packages without verification? [y/N] n |
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| 13:00.42 | jelly | i11ega1Code: and that won't work. You got wget or curl instead? |
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| 13:06.10 | i11ega1Code | wget is installed jelly |
| 13:06.28 | jelly | so try that instead of telnet |
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| 13:09.04 | i11ega1Code | wget security.debian.org 80 |
| 13:09.08 | i11ega1Code | wget security.debian.org 80? |
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| 13:12.25 | i11ega1Code | jelly |
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| 13:14.56 | TomTomTo1 | 80 is already the default http port, you don't need to specify when using wget. just testing it on your own would be the fastest way to find out, though :P |
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| 13:17.35 | g00se1 | nss_util.cc is mentioned in stderr when i try to run chromium-browser in wheezy, yet i can't find that file in any apt-file search. Why would i not be able to do so? |
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| 13:17.54 | i11ega1Code | TomTomTo1 i remember last time i had same issue, a reinstall did actually help |
| 13:18.12 | BinBasher | upon resolving of aptitude upgrade, it suggests I remove said packages: libegl1-nvidia{u} libgles1-nvidia{u} libgles2-nvidia{u} what does the {u} mean? that it's about to be uninstalled or that it is already uninstalled? |
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| 13:21.24 | TomTomTo1 | i11ega1Code: that may be. i'd rather check the usual suspects first before considering nuking a system. check if you have broken iptables rules (root) iptables -S |
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| 13:22.07 | TomTomTo1 | i11ega1Code: also check if you have configured a proxy in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
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| 13:22.54 | i11ega1Code | ls /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 13:22.55 | i11ega1Code | 01autoremove 01autoremove-kernels 70debconf |
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| 13:23.38 | i11ega1Code | it might be iptables |
| 13:23.38 | i11ega1Code | http://paste.debian.net/892338/ |
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| 13:31.34 | i11ega1Code | how do i open port 80 in iptables on debian jessie? |
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| 13:32.53 | TomTomTo1 | now it would be interesting to know, if wget security.debian.org worked... |
| 13:33.09 | i11ega1Code | it didn't |
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| 13:34.36 | TomTomTo1 | alright. i fail at networking and iptables. you will have to wait for someone more competent. |
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| 13:37.33 | jelly | i11ega1Code: you drop output traffic in iptables, of course updates don't work |
| 13:37.55 | jelly | allow oubound tcp port 80, for a start |
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| 13:38.49 | i11ega1Code | how |
| 13:38.55 | pdo_fn14 | Hello, where's xrdp-sesman.service in jessie?. |
| 13:39.09 | han-solo | use iptables |
| 13:39.10 | i11ega1Code | jelly: how? :) |
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| 13:40.58 | jelly | i11ega1Code: how did you set the current rules? |
| 13:41.30 | i11ega1Code | i didn't |
| 13:41.41 | i11ega1Code | it was there from the start, or it must have done that it self |
| 13:41.59 | i11ega1Code | can you not just tell me how its done? :) |
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| 13:43.17 | jelly | I can tell you how to do it right now but you still need to figure out which script or wrapper or package your system is using to set up the existing rule set |
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| 13:43.45 | jelly | otherwise the changes won't be permanent |
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| 13:49.18 | i11ega1Code | what can i do jelly? |
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| 13:53.05 | han-solo | did you try googling it? |
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| 13:56.40 | jelly | i11ega1Code: dunno, grep -R iptables /etc/init.d /{etc,lib}/systemd |
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| 14:00.55 | i11ega1Code | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/892341/ |
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| 14:01.52 | jelly | nothing in there |
| 14:02.24 | jelly | i11ega1Code: ask whoever set up your local fireweall, or hire an admin to find out where your iptables are configured |
| 14:02.55 | jelly | maybe grep -R the whole of /etc |
| 14:02.56 | i11ega1Code | hire an admin? lol |
| 14:03.17 | han-solo | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT? |
| 14:03.23 | jelly | yes, imagine that, people sometimes like to be paid to manage other's messy systems |
| 14:03.52 | jelly | probably -m tcp before -p tcp |
| 14:04.08 | han-solo | yeah |
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| 14:04.19 | jelly | and OUTPUT not INPUT |
| 14:04.54 | han-solo | er, outbound traffic |
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| 14:05.47 | i11ega1Code | jelly: find / -name iptables-save |
| 14:05.55 | i11ega1Code | /sbin/iptables-save |
| 14:06.44 | i11ega1Code | jelly, i like to figure out and fix it my self with your guys help |
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| 14:10.06 | ecksun | I would like to list (to download) all packages in a repository by URL, could you recommend the best approach for me to take? |
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| 14:12.09 | i11ega1Code | where are iptables located in jessie? (minimal) |
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| 14:18.05 | CtrlC | is there any way to have LXD on debian? |
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| 14:18.16 | CtrlC | There doesn't seem to be any packages for it. |
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| 14:33.47 | CtrlC | No one? |
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| 14:36.06 | GlitterPony5000 | CtrlC ofcourse you can! |
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| 14:36.38 | CtrlC | GlitterPony5000, decent ways I mean. |
| 14:37.56 | GlitterPony5000 | CtrlC have you looked at github? |
| 14:37.57 | GlitterPony5000 | https://github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/1414 |
| 14:39.01 | GlitterPony5000 | "LXD upstream isn't doing packaging, we just push out upstream tarballs." |
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| 14:44.49 | CtrlC | GlitterPony5000, thanks. |
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| 14:45.02 | CtrlC | I don't know why I didn't see that issue. |
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| 14:49.48 | jhutchins | CtrlC: Pretty much any OS package that runs on Linux can be installed from the source code on Debian. |
| 14:50.38 | CtrlC | yeah but it's not the best way to do it, jhutchins |
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| 14:51.04 | alwyn | CtrlC: did you look for LXD on backports? |
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| 14:51.29 | CtrlC | alwyn, wiki says there's no packaging for debian at all. |
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| 14:54.05 | alwyn | CtrlC: https://github.com/lxc/lxd#getting-started-with-lxd |
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| 14:55.15 | CtrlC | alwyn, I don't see how that's debian related. |
| 14:55.50 | alwyn | You can install a PPA's in debian |
| 14:55.54 | alwyn | -a |
| 14:56.34 | alwyn | Also see https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA |
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| 14:57.29 | CtrlC | well, I guess installing from source will be a better idea. |
| 14:57.32 | TomTomTo1 | don't use repositories from different distributions, it will likely break your system. |
| 14:57.39 | CtrlC | yup. |
| 14:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | this isn't *from* a different distribution, though, but from a ppa⦠and one can compile debian packages from the ppa src package |
| 14:59.08 | GlitterPony5000 | idk CtrlC if you cant find a reliable debian package |
| 14:59.13 | GlitterPony5000 | phaps that says something |
| 14:59.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I'd say just build it for your favorite way of using /usr/local outside the packaging system |
| 14:59.17 | GlitterPony5000 | #just saying |
| 14:59.30 | alwyn | Building it yourself is probably easiest, yes. |
| 14:59.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, lxc is packaged |
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| 15:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there's at least python-pylxd |
| 15:00.57 | TomTomTo1 | CutMeOwnThroat: the ppa is called ubuntu-lxc/lxd-git-master. i was referring to the github link. |
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| 15:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | TomTomTo1, yeah, but that's not from ubuntu, but some 3rd party building for ubuntu? |
| 15:02.12 | TomTomTo1 | does it make a difference? |
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| 15:03.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it make a difference where it's from? well⦠yes? |
| 15:03.37 | TomTomTo1 | s/different distribution/something that is not built for the system you are running/ |
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| 15:05.25 | jmcnaught | ,bug wnpp lxd |
| 15:05.26 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/768073 in wnpp (open): «ITP: lxd -- The Linux Container Daemon»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-11-04; last modified: 2016-10-15. |
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| 15:05.38 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: ^^^ might have useful info too |
| 15:05.55 | CtrlC | Thank you. |
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| 15:13.40 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: also if you haven't looked at it, check out libvirt-lxc which is a different implementation than regular lxc and can be managed with libvirt. on jessie it also integrates into systemd-machined (for what that's worth). systemd-nspawn is also pretty cool, but still pretty basic in jessie |
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| 15:14.24 | CtrlC | jmcnaught, I have no clue about what you said. I'm just getting started with it. |
| 15:14.40 | CtrlC | btw do you have any recommendation to get started with? |
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| 15:15.40 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: if you're just getting started with containers, LXC and systemd-nspawn are both in Debian and pretty easy to use, no compiling from source necessary |
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| 15:16.10 | CtrlC | jmcnaught, I used docker before. It needs to be lxd. |
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| 15:19.45 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: the systemd container features coming in stretch might have the docker-esque features you're looking for |
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| 15:20.17 | CtrlC | Thanks. |
| 15:20.24 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: keep in mind that Docker is 'microservices', while LXC/LXD and systemd-nspawn are system containers. My LXC setup uses an LVM thinpool as its storage backend, so I can clone containers really quickly |
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| 15:20.57 | CtrlC | jmcnaught, how to get started learning though? |
| 15:21.10 | alwyn | By doing! |
| 15:21.45 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: http://0pointer.net/blog/systemd-for-administrators-part-xxi.html for systemd-nspawn. Note the nice integration with journalctl/systemctl. Fancy! |
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| 15:22.27 | CtrlC | Thanks. |
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| 15:23.48 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: https://wiki.debian.org/LXC there's a lot of info there. Essentially you install lxc package, run lxc-checkconfig, then create containers with e.g. "lxc-create -n foo -t debian" then "lxc-start -d -n foo" to start it |
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| 15:24.11 | CtrlC | jmcnaught, where's the lxd part? |
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| 15:24.31 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: lxd isn't in Debian⦠i'm presenting alternatives that are. |
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| 15:24.45 | CtrlC | jmcnaught, It have to be lxd. |
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| 15:27.30 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: judging from that ITP lxd will not be in stretch, so you're committing yourself to managing an lxd package yourself (including recompiling it for every security upgrade). You could get involved on that ITP bug report above and maybe help get the lxd package into stretch-backports. |
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| 15:27.54 | jmcnaught | otherwise, you should probably pick a solution that is in Debian, or use Ubuntu if lxd is a hard requirement |
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| 15:28.41 | CtrlC | jmcnaught, it's fine. The final product will run on ubuntu. I just don't have an ubuntu system for now. Just want to have something to start learning till later on probably set up a ubuntu vps or something. |
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| 15:28.55 | alwyn | Using Ubuntu is probably way easier, especially considering LXD is coming from Canonical themselves. |
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| 15:29.16 | CtrlC | I have debian on my desktop and all the servers. |
| 15:29.31 | alwyn | I guess make a virtual server for testing on your desktop then? |
| 15:29.56 | CtrlC | resources problem. It's a mess over here. A vps would be a lot easier. |
| 15:30.23 | jmcnaught | well, lxd isn't the only option. libvirt can manage lxc containers for example. and with systemd-nspawn you can do stuff like "journalctl -M foo" on the host to see foo container's logs. |
| 15:30.42 | CtrlC | tell that to my boss! |
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| 15:31.44 | alwyn | I think that's your job :P |
| 15:31.46 | jmcnaught | i guess your boss needs to understand that using LXD means extra work switching to Ubuntu, extra work managing updates on Debian and Ubuntu systemd going forward, and/or extra work getting lxd on Debian. |
| 15:32.12 | jmcnaught | s/systemd/systems/ |
| 15:32.27 | CtrlC | The project is already on lxd. Really switching would make things lot harder. |
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| 15:33.52 | alwyn | It seems it's still very early stage though? |
| 15:34.15 | CtrlC | For this part, yeah. |
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| 15:35.24 | CtrlC | Thanks a lot guys. very helpful. |
| 15:36.34 | alwyn | Good luck :) |
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| 16:10.22 | mtex | I have a clean install (Kali 2.1.2 rolling, Rpi 3) and update/upgrade fails due to bug #821161 (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=821161). What is the correct way to work around it so I can upgrade my packages? |
| 16:10.23 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/821161 in perl (closed): «perl: perl-modules-5.xx should not conflict with virtual perl-modules»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-04-16; last modified: 2016-05-21. |
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| 16:10.53 | mtex | My output is "The following packages have unmet dependencies: perl-modules-5.22 : Conflicts: perl-modules" |
| 16:11.39 | mtex | I cannot remove perl-modules ("Virtual packages like 'perl-modules' can't be removed"). |
| 16:12.24 | th0r | kali on a raspberry pi. Explains why you are here in #debian. |
| 16:12.27 | mtex | If this is something I should be able to figure out on my own, I would greatly appreciate someone pointing me in the right direction |
| 16:12.34 | mtex | It's debian based, and appears to be a debian bug |
| 16:13.07 | mtex | Am I wrong to ask here? I was going to ask on #kali-linux until I realized it might not be a kali specific bug. |
| 16:13.22 | mtex | But if it needs to be fixed by Kali packaging, then that's an answer to my question I suppose. |
| 16:13.30 | towo` | if you use kali, all is kali specific |
| 16:13.54 | towo` | debian does not provide kali support |
| 16:13.54 | mtex | Alright, then. I'll check over there. |
| 16:14.23 | mtex | (I also figured that a conflict like that might be a common issue with a known process) |
| 16:14.26 | mtex | Okay, thank you anyway. |
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| 16:27.37 | samouy | hello there ! I have a dell XPS13 9360 with QHD+ and I succeed to install a debian distro based on it . But I have a problem, the screen rendering is really slow and not fluid with the intel driver i915. Is anyone experienced it ? |
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| 16:29.52 | mtn | samouy: what is the distro? |
| 16:30.34 | samouy | mtn, Kali linux |
| 16:30.42 | mtn | !kali |
| 16:30.42 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 16:31.32 | samouy | I thought it would be better to ask here since its related to graphics drivers. My bad, sry ! |
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| 16:48.11 | CtrlC | Is it possible to run lxd setup in a docker container? |
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| 17:07.29 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: that doesn't make sense. Docker is designed for single process containers. |
| 17:07.43 | CtrlC | jmcnaught, so it won't work out? |
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| 17:08.11 | CtrlC | debian 8 doesn't met all the requirements to install lxd thought I can install something that way. |
| 17:08.21 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: it might be something you can force, but you would not be using Docker the way it's intended to be used. |
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| 17:10.08 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: docker wants single app/process per container. Docker *cannot* run systemd as init in containers. People use other inits, or shoehorn bash to be the init process of a Docker container if they need multiple processes in the container. But really Docker is meant for 1 container for mysqld, 1 container for httpd, 1 container for food etc |
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| 17:10.37 | jmcnaught | it's not going to handle running another container system inside a container very well. LXC on the other hand can handle nested containers |
| 17:10.52 | CtrlC | jmcnaught, thank you so much. I guess I'll avoid it then. |
| 17:10.58 | jmcnaught | (because it is designed for system containers, not app containers) |
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| 17:33.58 | _marioxcc_ | Hello. I want to load Debian Live to an USB flash memory. How can I keep using the extra space to store files?. |
| 17:34.52 | greycat | Or, you could install Debian normally onto the USB drive. |
| 17:36.24 | _marioxcc_ | greycat: Indeed, but how can it be done with the standard live image?. I recall there was a way, but the page that described it no longer exists. |
| 17:37.08 | _marioxcc_ | It was this: http://live.debian.net/manual/4.x/html/live-manual.en.html#using-usb-extra-space |
| 17:37.16 | greycat | Intentionally making things harder? Going out of your way to slap the name "standard" on these really dodgy "live" images that you can't even use to install on a UEFI system? |
| 17:37.44 | greycat | I don't know what people's fascination is with these images. |
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| 17:38.43 | jmcnaught | _marioxcc_: the live documentation is available as packages on a Debian system, or here: https://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/live-manual/stable/manual/html/live-manual.en.html but i second the recommendation to do a normal Debian install to the USB device |
| 17:39.05 | _marioxcc_ | jmcnaught: Thanks. |
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| 17:39.56 | _marioxcc_ | greycat: Actually it is easy. Given the page that jmcnaught provided, it is described here: https://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/live-manual/stable/manual/html/live-manual.en.html#using-usb-extra-space |
| 17:40.24 | greycat | Clearly you have your agenda, so good luck. |
| 17:40.52 | _marioxcc_ | greycat: Could you please describe the problem with the live images?. |
| 17:40.58 | greycat | !uefi live |
| 17:40.58 | dpkg | Currently, UEFI support exists only in Debian's installation images. The accompanying live images do not have support for UEFI boot. <https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI> |
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| 17:41.57 | _marioxcc_ | greycat: What if my motherboard uses classical BIOS?. |
| 17:42.18 | _marioxcc_ | As in my case. |
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| 17:43.21 | blawiz | why cant i watch this in palemoon or vivaldi, but chrome works http://i.imgur.com/E8jFbTW.gifv |
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| 17:43.31 | blawiz | might be NSFW :S |
| 17:43.36 | blawiz | fuck sorry |
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| 17:43.58 | blawiz | ah its not *phew* haha |
| 17:43.59 | n4dir | _marioxcc_: both "refracta" and "antix" (and probably more) distros do such. I don't care for it, hence got no idea how, but you might ask them. |
| 17:44.26 | jmcnaught | _marioxcc_: if you do a Debian install to the USB stick, it will work on UEFI only computers. You also get options like using full disk encryption and other features that the debian-installer provides |
| 17:44.58 | jmcnaught | blawiz: you'd probably need to ask the palemoon and/or vivaldi people, since neither browser is in Debian |
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| 17:46.57 | _marioxcc_ | jmcnaught: Ok. Why does it work only for UEFI?. |
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| 17:47.14 | _marioxcc_ | Also, is there any shortcoming of using the live installer as opposed to the classical (non-live) installer?. |
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| 17:47.54 | jmcnaught | _marioxcc_: live only supports BIOS booting. regular installer supports BIOS and UEFI. |
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| 17:48.14 | jmcnaught | regular installer also supports doing LVM and luks encryption |
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| 17:49.56 | _marioxcc_ | jmcnaught: I just checked with the 8.6.0 live installer in a virtual machine and it supports LVM. I don't know for encryption. I have never used filesystem-level encryption. |
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| 17:50.41 | missmbob | it's not actually filesystem-level...even thought ext4 supports encryption. but that's a different story |
| 17:50.44 | _marioxcc_ | Actually I think (I'm not sure) that it includes "debian-installer" (the text-based one), though I used the graphical installer after booting live. |
| 17:50.50 | missmbob | though* |
| 17:51.00 | blawiz | jmcnaught: ah ye, hmm ff is very similar to palemoon, but ye :/ |
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| 17:51.34 | jmcnaught | blawiz: do you have the same problem in firefox-esr or chromium? |
| 17:51.52 | blawiz | jmcnaught: dont have ff, so havent teste |
| 17:52.03 | _marioxcc_ | missmbob: You are right. *block-device level. |
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| 17:52.28 | jmcnaught | _marioxcc_: are you talking about using the installer on a system booted with the live disk, or does the live-build system support LVM? |
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| 17:52.56 | jmcnaught | _marioxcc_: i'm talking about the option of using LVM *on* the USB disk that you'll be booting from |
| 17:53.08 | blawiz | oh i had ff, and it works, hmm |
| 17:53.49 | _marioxcc_ | jmcnaught: I am talking about using the installer in a system installed _with_ the live image, not the live system itself. |
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| 17:54.06 | jmcnaught | blawiz: i'm very skeptical that the palemoon team is able to keep up with mozilla features wise, and especially security wise |
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| 17:55.03 | _marioxcc_ | jmcnaught: Ok, I get what you mean. |
| 17:55.24 | _marioxcc_ | Yes, if one needs such thing, I guess performing a standard install into the USB flash stick is better. |
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| 17:55.46 | blawiz | jmcnaught: hmm |
| 17:55.55 | _marioxcc_ | But I only want it for emergency boot/repair. |
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| 17:56.22 | jmcnaught | _marioxcc_: it would be good to have an emergency boot/repair stick that works for both UEFI and BIOS systems, no? |
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| 17:57.39 | _marioxcc_ | jmcnaught: Yes, right. So, does the live CD does not boot with UEFI?. |
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| 17:58.22 | jmcnaught | _marioxcc_: correct. Debian live disks do not boot with UEFI, meaning they cannot install grub-efi, cannot install Debian in EFI mode, cannot repair EFI boot etc. |
| 17:58.55 | _marioxcc_ | jmcnaught: Ok. How do I build a rescue USB flash memory that works with UEFI?. |
| 17:59.00 | n4dir | if all you want is a boot/repair system i see no reason why it must be pure debian. |
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| 17:59.57 | _marioxcc_ | n4dir: It's my preferred distribution. And most Live CD-oriented distributions contain proprietary software, which I avoid. |
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| 18:00.26 | jmcnaught | _marioxcc_: the original suggestion 20 minutes ago. Do a regular Debian install, install on the USB stick instead of an internal harddrive (so you need two usb sticks, one for installer image, the other is the target) |
| 18:00.46 | n4dir | refracta sure doesn't. And, like said, debian live has it's disadvantages. |
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| 18:01.29 | greycat | jmcnaught: or boot the installer from a CD |
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| 18:02.53 | _marioxcc_ | greycat: I have no CDs here. |
| 18:03.25 | _marioxcc_ | n4dir: Ok. I will take a look if using Debian proves too inconvenient. |
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| 18:03.40 | jelly | where's that factoid |
| 18:03.50 | _marioxcc_ | jmcnaught: will a regular Debian install on the USB stick boot with both UEFI and BIOS?. |
| 18:03.52 | jelly | !rube goldberg install |
| 18:03.52 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 4.10 kernel on my microwave, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
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| 18:05.00 | _marioxcc_ | jelly: haha. |
| 18:05.02 | greycat | dpkg, rube goldberg install =~ s/Debian/Debian sarge/ |
| 18:05.02 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
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| 18:05.45 | jmcnaught | _marioxcc_: if the debian-installer boots in UEFI mode, then it installs grub-efi. If it boots in bios mode, it installs grub-pc (the bios one) |
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| 18:06.27 | _marioxcc_ | jmcnaught: How do I make it work with both? |
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| 18:08.58 | jmcnaught | _marioxcc_: i've got to go, but there is a lot of information here: https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI |
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| 18:13.15 | _marioxcc_ | jmcnaught: Ok, thanks. |
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| 18:33.45 | Delf | I'm on Stable. Suppose I want to install mumble-server from Testing, how do I do? Download the deb files one by one and use dpkg -i *.deb? |
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| 18:34.28 | greycat | If there is a backport, use it. If a backport can be created, create it. Otherwise, build from upstream (non packaged) source. |
| 18:34.37 | greycat | NEVER mix testing and stable sources. |
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| 18:35.23 | Delf | greycat: I'm not good at building from source. I don't know to remove stuff built and installed from source. There's no backport for it |
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| 18:36.09 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport mumble-server |
| 18:36.12 | judd | Backporting package mumble-server in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual. |
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| 18:36.23 | nkuttler | !tell Delf about ssbp |
| 18:36.24 | greycat | ,v mumble-server |
| 18:36.25 | judd | Package: mumble-server on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u1; wheezy: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u2; jessie: 1.2.8-2; stretch: 1.2.17-1; sid: 1.2.17-1 |
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| 18:39.04 | Delf | What just happened? |
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| 18:47.50 | Delf | "gpgv: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': file open error"? |
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| 18:48.52 | Delf | There seems to be conflicts and unmet dependencies, nkuttler. I can't do what dpkg told me @ src |
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| 18:52.06 | wiking | is there any way i could pass a multiline changelog to dch in batch mode? |
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| 18:52.50 | oaps | hello. |
| 18:53.41 | oaps | can i unmount /boot without any ill effects other than the obvious ones (installing new kernels or modifying the initrd or grub settings won't work) ? |
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| 18:54.07 | oaps | is there anything that needs to access the System.map or config files during normal operation? |
| 18:54.18 | greycat | oaps: building kernel modules, and so on |
| 18:54.24 | oaps | right, that too. |
| 18:54.59 | oaps | wait, why building kernel modules? doesn't that just need the kernel source? |
| 18:55.35 | greycat | Well, it uses the kernel-headers package for sure. I'm not certain about stuff in /boot. |
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| 18:55.53 | greycat | But when you install it, you'll almost certainly need /boot mounted to rebuild the initramfs thing. |
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| 18:56.29 | oaps | but only if i want the module available before mounting /, right? |
| 18:56.56 | greycat | Installing anything that touches the kernel in any way will prompt a rebuild of the initramfs and/or a grub update. |
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| 18:57.33 | oaps | the reason i'm asking is that i'd like to install /boot on removable media (sd card or usb stick) that i just need to have plugged in when booting, and then / is on an encrypted disk. |
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| 18:57.55 | oaps | and then i'd have to plug it in again when doing kernel-related upgrades, of course. |
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| 18:58.19 | nkuttler | Delf: paste.debian.net the commands you run and the output |
| 18:58.24 | i11ega1Code | how important is iptables? |
| 18:58.27 | greycat | I suspect it will work, but I'm not 100% sure. |
| 18:58.29 | i11ega1Code | when running a server |
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| 18:58.55 | nkuttler | i11ega1Code: there is no objective answer to that |
| 18:58.56 | greycat | i11ega1Code: Totally depends on what you want to do with the server. In the most common cases, you don't need it. |
| 18:59.23 | i11ega1Code | i wanna run a znc and a tor relay |
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| 18:59.49 | i11ega1Code | mid relay |
| 18:59.53 | i11ega1Code | i have ferm enabled |
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| 19:00.55 | oaps | ferm uses iptables. |
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| 19:01.07 | oaps | and you can't uninstall iptables anyway, it's in the kernel. |
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| 19:02.56 | oaps | greycat: i suppose i could just unmount /boot on my normal computer and see if anything complains. |
| 19:03.39 | greycat | iptables is a userspace package as well as a set of kernel modules. The userspace package can be uninstalled. |
| 19:03.54 | greycat | (Well, in theory. It is marked as "important".) |
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| 19:09.16 | i11ega1Code | well, i am going to fix this some how, thanks |
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| 19:30.27 | Delf | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/892433/ |
| 19:30.44 | Delf | It seems it picked mumble instead of mumble-server. It's not the client I want, it's the server. |
| 19:31.28 | nkuttler | ,v libzeroc-ice-dev |
| 19:31.29 | judd | Package: libzeroc-ice-dev on amd64 -- sid: 3.6.3-2; stretch: 3.6.3-2 |
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| 19:31.57 | nkuttler | Delf: yeah, try the package you actually want |
| 19:33.01 | Delf | nkuttler: I did? |
| 19:33.22 | Delf | I don't know why it picks mumble instead of mumble-server |
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| 19:34.14 | nkuttler | Delf: ah, same source package |
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| 19:36.53 | nkuttler | Delf: i guess -b might try to build server + client |
| 19:37.28 | nkuttler | Delf: if you check the src dir, there is debian/rules which should list the build targets |
| 19:38.02 | nkuttler | Delf: you can build the package with fakeroot debian/rules <target>.. |
| 19:38.15 | nkuttler | not sure why the bot said all build deps are satisfied though |
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| 20:02.28 | IAmHowardRoark | Hello, when running apt-get update, i'm getting an "Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package ....." and it lists about 15 packages. I tried running apt-get update again, but same error persists. Any ideas? |
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| 20:05.49 | _marioxcc_ | Hello. |
| 20:05.51 | nicehsz | try apt-get --help |
| 20:06.08 | nicehsz | hi _marioxcc_ |
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| 20:06.28 | _marioxcc_ | I want to boot the debian installer from the hard disk. I am following https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd. Can I use the initrd.gz and vmlinuz from the debian CD ISO image I intend to install?. |
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| 20:08.27 | i11ega1Code | hi i got a problem with ferm: please help http://paste.debian.net/892444/ |
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| 20:12.10 | smeert | hey |
| 20:12.26 | smeert | Im having some weird issues here |
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| 20:12.47 | smeert | im making a script here with nothing special few if's and variable settings etch |
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| 20:15.14 | smeert | it did work alright. im using #!/bin/sh - and i was having if statements with double brackets. now they stopped working |
| 20:15.22 | smeert | and now its even complaining about read -n. why? |
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| 20:24.14 | smeert | and now its even complaining about read -n. why? |
| 20:24.16 | smeert | oops |
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| 20:40.58 | jhutchins | smeert: Are you using bash features in sh? |
| 20:41.33 | greycat | Oh god, he came *here*? |
| 20:41.50 | LostSoul | Hi |
| 20:42.04 | LostSoul | What can be reason that user don't see all processes on system (by ps aux)? |
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| 20:42.27 | greycat | Security stuff. SElinux or something. |
| 20:43.13 | LostSoul | Damn, I don't know how to turn it off |
| 20:43.18 | LostSoul | So that my nagios can work properly |
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| 20:45.37 | greycat | LostSoul: are you sure this is not Ubuntu? |
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| 20:47.10 | greycat | finds an askubuntu URL with the same question and nothing but wrong answers |
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| 20:48.24 | greycat | Here's an inverted form of the question: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/244353/why-can-i-list-other-users-processes-without-root-permission |
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| 20:48.33 | greycat | Did you put something in /etc/fstab for /proc? |
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| 20:49.18 | LostSoul | Hmm, nope greycat |
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| 20:49.48 | greycat | LostSoul: what does "mount | grep /proc" |
| 20:49.51 | greycat | say? |
| 20:49.52 | LostSoul | This is debian |
| 20:50.07 | LostSoul | proc on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) |
| 20:50.18 | greycat | Hmm, that's the same as mine. |
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| 20:51.09 | LostSoul | Any idea? Tip? :) |
| 20:52.42 | greycat | http://serverfault.com/questions/216014/ps-aux-as-non-root-doesnt-show-all-processes mentions selinux and grsecurity but gives absolutely zero details. |
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| 20:54.26 | LostSoul | I saw some on grsecurity but damn, I don;t know selinux |
| 20:54.31 | LostSoul | And I don't know how to manage it |
| 20:54.34 | LostSoul | Thanks anyway greycat |
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| 20:58.01 | smeert | jhutchins: maybe? |
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| 21:03.30 | greycat | grsecurity thingy: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Grsecurity/Appendix/Grsecurity_and_PaX_Configuration_Options#Restrict_.2Fproc_to_user_only |
| 21:04.09 | LostSoul | Yeah, I've found this one greycat, but I still don't know how to adjust it |
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| 21:05.13 | greycat | I guess... these are kernel configuration lines? So they're built into your kernel, or not. grep GRK /boot/config-* |
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| 21:05.55 | greycat | If you don't see it there, then I guess you can -prune the grsecurity path and focus on "some SElinux thing" or "some kind of override of /proc mount options that magically are not showing up in mount(8) output". |
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| 21:07.55 | greycat | Or attacking from the other direction: what did you CHANGE on this system that made it stop acting normal? |
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| 21:10.27 | gebruiker | jessie seems so attractive to dist-upgrade to |
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| 21:13.14 | n-st | hi, i just accidentally nuked the mbr of my main disk (dd and quick fingersâ¦) |
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| 21:13.27 | Hello71 | testdisk |
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| 21:13.32 | n-st | the system is still running. can i check where my partitions start so i can create a new mbr? |
| 21:13.33 | Venker | hi people |
| 21:13.35 | Hello71 | oh |
| 21:13.41 | Hello71 | cat /proc/partitions |
| 21:14.05 | n-st | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.05 | n-st | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.05 | n-st | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.08 | Hello71 | and save that to a file so you don't run partprobe and wipe it |
| 21:14.08 | nkuttler | n-st: how do you know only the mbr was affected? |
| 21:14.14 | Hello71 | what the hell are you telling me for |
| 21:14.33 | n-st | Hello71: so i don't forget it :P |
| 21:14.45 | Hello71 | they have text editors for that |
| 21:14.58 | n-st | nkuttler: dd wrote 130 MB before i killed it |
| 21:15.12 | Hello71 | slow drive |
| 21:15.13 | nkuttler | that's way more than just the mbr, isn't it? |
| 21:15.33 | n-st | yeah, but sda1 is my windows partition, so *shrug* |
| 21:15.43 | nkuttler | ah |
| 21:16.03 | nkuttler | you probably want to run fdisk or something, and write down the sizes etc |
| 21:16.06 | n-st | i figure i'll just recreate the partitions in parted, grub-install /dev/sda and be done with it? |
| 21:16.11 | nkuttler | or that |
| 21:16.25 | nkuttler | n-st: sounds like a plan |
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| 21:16.53 | Venker | could someone explain me why this bug is archive and not fixed, please? |
| 21:16.56 | Venker | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=792552 |
| 21:16.57 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/792552 in cryptsetup (closed, patch): «cryptsetup freezes shutdown procedure»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-07-16; last modified: 2016-02-21. |
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| 21:17.22 | Venker | there is no update |
| 21:17.45 | nkuttler | Venker: did you read the last messages? |
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| 21:18.41 | Hello71 | n-st: use fdisk not parted |
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| 21:19.45 | Venker | nkuttler: oops, thanks. I'll try that other patch |
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| 21:20.24 | n-st | Hello71: how do i convert the "blocks" from /proc/partitions to the units fdisk uses? |
| 21:21.02 | Hello71 | how big is your disk |
| 21:21.27 | n-st | Disk /dev/sda: 250.1 GB, 250059350016 bytes |
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| 21:22.32 | Hello71 | exactly |
| 21:22.47 | n-st | huh? |
| 21:23.12 | Hello71 | think about it |
| 21:23.50 | Venker | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=791944#72 |
| 21:23.55 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/791944 in udev (open, moreinfo): «/etc/init.d/sendsigs kills systemd-udevd upon shutdown, causing dmsetup to hang»; severity: important; opened: 2015-07-09; last modified: 2016-10-18. |
| 21:23.57 | n-st | well, one "block" from /proc/part appears to equal 1024 bytes |
| 21:24.48 | Venker | nkuttler: it's says patch: **** malformed patch at line 28: |
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| 21:25.34 | Venker | I copypasted it properly, I swear |
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| 21:26.58 | Venker | it does not patch the script |
| 21:27.08 | n-st | and fdisk tells me it's using units of 512 bytes |
| 21:27.38 | n-st | but when i create two partitions of 2*122098688 units each, i end up with 183 unused blocks at the end |
| 21:27.43 | n-st | Hello71: â |
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| 21:29.03 | Hello71 | n-st: oh, you probably have space at the beginning, not the end |
| 21:29.53 | n-st | Hello71: http://ix.io/1CnK |
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| 21:30.29 | Hello71 | n-st: at this point I'd just say fuck it and run testdisk |
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| 21:30.54 | Hello71 | it'll take an hour but no effort |
| 21:30.56 | n-st | Hello71: testdisk only finds the ISO9660 label at the beginning of the disk |
| 21:31.05 | Hello71 | ISO... why |
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| 21:31.21 | Hello71 | are your partitions misaligned |
| 21:31.39 | n-st | because i wanted to dd an iso file to a usb stick and typo'd the of=⦠|
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| 21:32.27 | n-st | i've been using linux for four years now, it had to happen at some point⦠:| |
| 21:33.58 | Hello71 | then press deeper search |
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| 21:36.35 | Hello71 | also you can use cp now |
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| 21:37.02 | n-st | as an afterthought, what would have been the chance that the 130 MB didn't make it to the disk if i had killed it via sysrq+o immediately? |
| 21:37.22 | n-st | Hello71: cp? what for? |
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| 21:37.53 | Hello71 | cp installer.iso /dev/sdb |
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| 21:41.21 | n-st | Hello71: alright, the ntfs partition is obviously toasted, but testdisk found the linux partition after all |
| 21:41.26 | n-st | i'll try and reboot |
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| 21:42.48 | n-st | hmm, grub-install fails because it detects a gpt disk label |
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| 21:43.40 | donttrustem | hi guys .. how do I fix this problem when running apt-get update W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-updates/multiverse/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:67c:1562::16 80] |
| 21:44.49 | donttrustem | sorry wrong channel |
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| 21:47.37 | humbag | possibly not all mirrors host all archives |
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| 21:52.16 | _marioxcc_ | Hi. I want to boot the debian installer from the hard disk. I am following https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd. Can I use the initrd.gz and vmlinuz from the debian CD ISO image I intend to install?. |
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| 21:56.14 | frostschutz | _marioxcc_, if you have a boot loader that can handle those. not sure about the cd iso image but the pxe netinst image works fine, I have this download script in my /boot https://paste.pound-python.org/show/SpbIUJoPORz4AqI8Rte5/ |
| 21:57.13 | _marioxcc_ | frostschutz: The bootloader can handle them AFAIK (GRUB from Debian 7). |
| 21:57.36 | frostschutz | sure grub you just do linux thelinux, initrd theinitrd, and go. you can do that even from the grub shell directly |
| 21:57.55 | _marioxcc_ | frostschutz: But my doubt is: Are those initrd.gz and vmlinuz appropriate for loading directly from GRUB instead of booting from the CD?. |
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| 21:58.51 | frostschutz | _marioxcc_, I don't know what the CD is like, I've used grub -> linux,initrd for ages. |
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| 21:59.11 | frostschutz | with the linux,initrd you can download directly, not any iso |
| 21:59.37 | floobleblooble | Does anyone know how to use the non-free iwlwifi firmware during installation? I can't figure out how. |
| 21:59.43 | _marioxcc_ | frostschutz: That is the issue, I do _not_ want netinstall, I want to install from a CD image placed in the hard disk. |
| 22:00.06 | _marioxcc_ | frostschutz: The image is "debian-8.6.0-amd64-lxde-CD-1.iso" |
| 22:00.35 | frostschutz | then I'm sorry for wasting your time :) see if that one supports isoloop |
| 22:01.13 | _marioxcc_ | frostschutz: Could you please elaborate?. What is isoloop?. |
| 22:01.56 | n4dir | _marioxcc_: on any debian based distro search for grml , there once was a package (build by the dudes from grml, duh) which would help with such. Not sure if debian.iso is supported thouogh |
| 22:02.08 | n4dir | apt-cache search grml, that is. |
| 22:03.19 | frostschutz | _marioxcc_, grub2 has loopback support [which is entirely superfluous], the key point is the iso has to be able to loopmount itself; some examples here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive - I don't know if debian iso does anything like it. |
| 22:03.37 | _marioxcc_ | frostschutz: Ok, thanks. |
| 22:04.34 | _marioxcc_ | n4dir: No results. |
| 22:04.34 | _marioxcc_ | Anyway, what I want to do is: Download "debian-8.6.0-amd64-lxde-CD-1.iso" (already done), then extract the "initrd.gz" and "vmlinuz" from this ISO image and put it in the current filesystem, then configure GRUB to boot from that initrd and kernel file. Will the ISO image be found automatically?. |
| 22:04.58 | frostschutz | _marioxcc_, it actually does have examples for debian so you might be good. specify the location of the iso image as shown in those examples, maybe it will work, maybe it won't |
| 22:05.51 | _marioxcc_ | frostschutz: Ok, but I will first try the procedure I just described. |
| 22:06.02 | n4dir | _marioxcc_: should be. weird. -> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=grml&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 22:06.16 | frostschutz | _marioxcc_, grub2 grabs the linux,initrd directly from within the iso, but if you copy those files out yourself, any regular bootloader w/o loop support would work just as well. the key is an additional kernel/initramfs parameter that tells it to look for the iso file somewhere |
| 22:07.58 | _marioxcc_ | frostschutz: Could you please elaborate?. |
| 22:08.03 | _marioxcc_ | (about such a parameter) |
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| 22:12.00 | gry | http://paste.debian.net/plain/892489 why does it wish to install systemd if it's not in the package apt info neither as dependency nor as recommended? |
| 22:13.20 | n4dir | gry try apt-rdepends or simlar |
| 22:13.44 | ||JD|| | is it possible to install 4.8 kernel in testing from apt right now? |
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| 22:14.52 | TomTomTo1 | no, probably in a few days. |
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| 22:20.24 | Paul^^ | hello |
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| 22:21.27 | Paul^^ | I have debian 8.6 amd64 , firefoxESR links don't go, I don't understand |
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| 22:22.04 | critias | mysql on jessie: version 6 is OK ? |
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| 22:23.29 | Hello71 | gry: recommends geoclue which depends on dbus which depends on libsystemd which depends on systemd |
| 22:23.40 | Hello71 | er, scratch that last part |
| 22:24.05 | Hello71 | n-st: erase that then :P |
| 22:24.28 | Paul^^ | from bash prompt write : permission denite |
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| 22:25.34 | Paul^^ | !topic |
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| 22:26.29 | Paul^^ | http://pastebin.com/8CEcDEbi |
| 22:26.29 | ||JD|| | critias: you should try mariadb instead |
| 22:26.41 | gry | Hello71, thanks, much appreciated |
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| 22:27.37 | Paul^^ | the executable file with own change to root |
| 22:27.38 | critias | ||JD||: hm... but "everybody" uses mysql....no? |
| 22:28.04 | Paul^^ | I haven't change it, pls help me , have I a virus or backdoor ? |
| 22:28.22 | Paul^^ | pablo@debian8:~/Scaricati/tor-browser_en-US/miei_files$ ls -l /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr |
| 22:28.22 | Paul^^ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 122912 set 22 08:40 /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr |
| 22:28.38 | nkuttler | !tell Paul^^ about localized errors |
| 22:29.04 | Paul^^ | nkuttler, permission denite |
| 22:29.21 | Paul^^ | executable have root own |
| 22:29.47 | Paul^^ | I had no change the permission, it happened after I download tor bundle |
| 22:30.04 | TomTomTo1 | the permissions look normal. |
| 22:30.47 | nkuttler | i'm going to guess now that the problem is /home/pablo/.gnome2/accels |
| 22:30.54 | Paul^^ | TomTomTo1, no, ls -l /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr |
| 22:30.54 | Paul^^ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 122912 set 22 08:40 /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr ; it's root not normal |
| 22:30.58 | nkuttler | because Paul^^ doesn't localize his errors |
| 22:31.01 | ||JD|| | critias: mariadb is a community developed mysql fork to keep it free, in most cases you won't notice any difference |
| 22:31.28 | TomTomTo1 | Paul^^: no, that's not the problem. it's what nkuttler pointed out. |
| 22:32.01 | Paul^^ | excuse me , yes it's x set up |
| 22:32.15 | Paul^^ | 755 |
| 22:32.47 | critias | ||JD|| : where does "Maria" come from? Built in the Vatican ? |
| 22:33.19 | Paul^^ | I'm using xfce not gnome |
| 22:33.44 | nkuttler | Paul^^: just fix the permissions.. |
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| 22:34.15 | Paul^^ | /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr ; error impossible create GNOME accelerator |
| 22:34.29 | nkuttler | Paul^^: Impossibile creare la directory per gli acceleratori di GNOME «/home/pablo/.gnome2/accels»: Permesso negato |
| 22:34.38 | nkuttler | *that* is your problem it seems |
| 22:35.00 | greyeax | hi i'm trying to create a backport of libvirt but i'm having some trouble |
| 22:35.01 | Paul^^ | = impossible create directory for accelerator of gnome |
| 22:35.10 | nkuttler | Paul^^: just fix the permissions.. |
| 22:35.10 | greyeax | i get an error when i run mk-build-deps |
| 22:35.13 | Paul^^ | but I have xfce |
| 22:35.14 | nkuttler | Paul^^: just fix the permissions.. |
| 22:35.16 | greyeax | http://hastebin.com/igoyunenuk.cs |
| 22:35.29 | Paul^^ | nkuttler, how fix permission ? |
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| 22:35.50 | nkuttler | Paul^^: ls -ld /home/pablo/.gnome2/accels |
| 22:35.59 | Paul^^ | ahaaa |
| 22:36.06 | Paul^^ | ok ok, directory permission |
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| 22:38.49 | Paul^^ | drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 nov 2 20:02 accels |
| 22:38.54 | Paul^^ | 777 |
| 22:39.03 | nkuttler | !777 |
| 22:39.04 | dpkg | 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx and is NEVER the right answer to your permission "problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not) can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry. Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>, <ftp must die>. |
| 22:39.28 | Paul^^ | /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr ; permission denite |
| 22:39.49 | Paul^^ | /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr ; Impossibile creare la directory per gli acceleratori di GNOME «/home/pablo/.gnome2/accels»: Permesso negato |
| 22:39.49 | nkuttler | !tell Paul^^ about localized erros |
| 22:40.00 | nkuttler | Paul^^: please use paste.debian.net |
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| 22:40.43 | Paul^^ | what localized errors ? the links of directory ? |
| 22:40.53 | nkuttler | Paul^^: the bot sent you a message |
| 22:41.01 | Paul^^ | after installation all was good |
| 22:41.32 | nkuttler | Paul^^: LC_ALL=C whatevercommand, so that people here can actually understand the output |
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| 22:44.48 | Paul^^ | http://paste.debian.net/892506/ |
| 22:44.51 | Paul^^ | nothing |
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| 22:45.45 | nkuttler | Paul^^: you need to either export LC_ALL=C, or put it all on one line |
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| 22:46.31 | Paul^^ | http://paste.debian.net/892510/ |
| 22:46.47 | nkuttler | Paul^^: yes, so fix the permissions |
| 22:47.26 | TomTomTo1 | just check if /home/pablo/.gnome2 and the directories and files inside are owned by your user. |
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| 22:48.53 | Paul^^ | ok go |
| 22:49.19 | Paul^^ | thx to all, really big volontee here |
| 22:49.39 | TomTomTo1 | "ok go" means it works? |
| 22:49.43 | Paul^^ | however I don't change this directory permission, it's strange |
| 22:49.48 | Paul^^ | yes |
| 22:49.51 | TomTomTo1 | \o/ |
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| 22:50.13 | Paul^^ | it happened after I installed tor bundle, but I install it without root |
| 22:50.55 | Paul^^ | as you know , the new tor versions use a separate directory, I don't use debian tor repository because they are out date |
| 22:50.59 | Paul^^ | strage |
| 22:51.41 | TomTomTo1 | debian has torbrowser-launcher in contrib that keeps itself updated. |
| 22:51.44 | Paul^^ | and I haven't gnome installed I'm using xfce4 |
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| 22:52.59 | Paul^^ | TomTomTo1, yes but in tor-project pages tells use their bundle , it stay on a separate directory or removible storage media |
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| 22:53.43 | nkuttler | Paul^^: gnome and xfce both use gtk, and presumable more shared libs. not surprising that some things end up in ~/.gnome |
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| 22:55.05 | Paul^^ | nkuttler, ah... yes. Where are the configuration file for the link in xfce ? If I want change a link, or add/remove one |
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| 22:55.45 | Paul^^ | nothig |
| 22:55.50 | Paul^^ | thx to all |
| 22:55.54 | Paul^^ | :-) |
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| 23:06.46 | zark_ | hello, how do yo uguys proceed to write a command line in the shell ? |
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| 23:06.58 | davidl2 | Iceweasel keeps crashing with an error ... [NPAPI 14726] ###!!! ABORT: Aborting on channel error.: file /build/firefox-esr-9zKz3f/firefox-esr-45.4.0esr/ipc/glue/MessageChannel.cpp, line 1861 |
| 23:07.05 | zark_ | i mean how do you find the correct words and cmd |
| 23:07.32 | davidl2 | zark_: 'apropos' |
| 23:07.57 | n4dir | apropos can be useful, command completion can be useful, history command completion can be useful, zark_ |
| 23:08.31 | zark_ | a propos ? davidl2 n4dir |
| 23:08.56 | n4dir | apropos mount, for example |
| 23:09.06 | zark_ | oooh it s equal to man -k |
| 23:09.10 | Cueball | I have some IPv6 routes stuck in my routing table that are only visible via route -6 and don't show on ip -6 route. Would anyone know how I can clear these? |
| 23:09.23 | zark_ | ty guys |
| 23:09.34 | n4dir | zark_: good one, never heard of man -k |
| 23:10.15 | Dagger | Cueball: not even in, say, `ip -6 r s tab local`? |
| 23:10.43 | Cueball | Dagger: Ahh yep they show in there! |
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| 23:11.19 | Cueball | I've tried ip -6 route flush dev lo and this doesn't clear them |
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| 23:12.40 | Dagger | why do you want to clear them? I would've thought anything in that table is there because it needs to be |
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| 23:14.22 | Cueball | Dagger: I rebooted my system last week and it seems now that some of my IPv6 routes are stuck on the loopback device rather than being assigned to the eth0 |
| 23:15.25 | Cueball | Also I had to do ip addr flush dev eth0 just to get the eth0 to become active. |
| 23:15.39 | Cueball | It would fail otherwise. |
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| 23:16.53 | Cueball | Dagger: How can I clear items in there? Even if it is one by one? |
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| 23:18.57 | Dagger | I guess `ip r d <blah>/<N> dev <blah> table local`, if it works |
| 23:19.20 | Dagger | but the only entries I have in that table correspond to each IP, so the right way to move or remove them would be to move or remove the IP itself |
| 23:19.47 | Dagger | (plus the multicast(?) routes) |
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| 23:32.39 | b6s3d | how do i upgrade kernel ? i have tried sudo apt-get install linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 but uname -r shows old kernel |
| 23:33.05 | nkuttler | b6s3d: linux-image, not -headers |
| 23:33.38 | b6s3d | i installed both |
| 23:33.46 | nkuttler | b6s3d: did you reboot? |
| 23:33.50 | b6s3d | yes |
| 23:33.58 | nkuttler | what's the old kernel anway? |
| 23:34.00 | b6s3d | i have to do it from backdoors yes? |
| 23:34.15 | b6s3d | yeah its vps, do i have to do it from Openvz? |
| 23:34.34 | missmbob | then you can't upgrade it |
| 23:34.37 | nkuttler | openvz.. probably has it's own kernel you can't change |
| 23:34.51 | missmbob | with openvz you use whatever the host has. you can't do anything |
| 23:35.18 | b6s3d | i also have ssh |
| 23:35.25 | missmbob | doesn't matter what you have |
| 23:35.39 | nkuttler | b6s3d: talk to your hosting company |
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| 23:35.57 | missmbob | and they'll tell you to eat it because it affects all the other customers on that server |
| 23:36.07 | missmbob | get a real vps like linode kvm |
| 23:36.11 | nkuttler | or switch to a hoster with a more modern tech |
| 23:36.12 | nkuttler | right |
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| 23:37.02 | b6s3d | its 2.6.32-042stab112.15 for crying out loud |
| 23:37.08 | missmbob | nothing you can do |
| 23:37.17 | nkuttler | b6s3d: you won't get a different answer by repeating the question |
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